Palin Fans Trying to Edit Wikipedia Paul Revere Page

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Man, you’ve gotta almost admire the sheer blind dedication of Sarah Palin’s wingnut acolytes.

Now they’re trying like crazy to edit the Wikipedia page for “Paul Revere” to make it match Palin’s botched version of history. Here’s the Revision history of Paul Revere; check out the edits that are being reversed.

Also see the discussion page for an entertaining exchange between Wikipedia editors and a would-be revisionist.

Hat tip: BoingBoing.

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1 Kragar  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:05:22am

National history brought to you by the same folks who brought you intelligent design.

2 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:05:36am

OMG. They are going crazy trying to change an online reference.

3 Digital Display  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:08:47am

re: #2 PhillyPretzel

OMG. They are going crazy trying to change an online reference.

I like this part:
completely unsubstantiated section. For a part of history so well documented it is painful to see so much without references.

4 Kragar  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:08:59am

re: #2 PhillyPretzel

OMG. They are going crazy trying to change an online reference.

If at first you don't succeed, change the results when you think no one is looking.

5 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:09:02am

Luckily, if they press too hard the page will just wind up locked. Wiki is pretty good at resisting bullshit like this.

6 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:09:44am

They? The only account there seems to be Tomwsulcer, and even that I don't entirely know whether it's supposed to be satire or not.

7 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:10:21am

They have not hit Henry Wadsworth Longfellow... yet.

8 ElCapitanAmerica  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:10:28am

Unbelievable!!!!

9 Kragar  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:12:32am

re: #7 PhillyPretzel

They have not hit Henry Wadsworth Longfellow... yet.

They're probably sticking clear of it till the Weiner scandal dies down some.

10 Kragar  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:13:21am
11 ElCapitanAmerica  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:13:50am

Checkout the discussion page ... wow ...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]


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In the article on Paul Revere, someone has added false information in an effort to support Sarah Palin's FALSE claims about Paul Revere.

"Accounts differ regarding the method of alerting the colonists; the generally accepted position is that the warnings were verbal in nature, although one disputed account suggested that Revere rang bells during his ride.[8][9]"

This must be removed as it is a LIE designed to mislead. dj

Dajames (talk) 14:46, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

A lie? If you follow Wikipedia's rules, we must maintain a WP:NEUTRAL position, representing the mainstream position as well as disputed versions. I think the addition represents this fairly -- the mainstream position is that Revere's warnings were verbal, but there are differing accounts that the warnings were done with bells -- with two sources: WDHD television plus a live interview, with a highly influential US politician relating these facts.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 14:50, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes Done. Thank you, I removed the content not backed by a reliable source. --CutOffTies (talk) 14:52, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

I kindly remind people that it's not our job here at Wikipedia to decide what's true, but to report what reliable sources say, such as the LA Times, WDHD TV in Boston, numerous others. And they quoted an American politician saying that bells were used. --Tomwsulcer (talk) 15:09, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

It's not the LA Times that's questionable as a reliable source, it's Palin herself. Even if the Times (& others) quoted her accurately, her off-hand, poorly-informed view doesn't belong here, per WP:UNDUE, and I have reverted. Hertz1888 (talk) 15:30, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Sarah Palin is a former governor of Alaska as well as a presidential candidate of one of the two national parties in the United States. Her account of Paul Revere's famous ride has achieved national attention from most mainstream media -- LA Times, CNN, you name it. There are numerous reliable sources quoted her exact words on this subject. This article has HUGE attention (55K readers in one day) as a result. Clearly, there should be some mention given its obvious importance. And I remind people, kindly, that it's not up to us contributors to determine who is and isn't a "poorly informed view" and to try to determine truth. Rather, Wikipedia is about verifiability.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 15:37, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Here's Palin's remark via the LA Times & CNN: Sarah Palin on Paul Revere's ride

It doesn't tell the reader looking for information on Paul Revere anything useful. Vice Presidential candidate, please. Hertz1888 (talk) 15:44, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Hertz's edit, also please read wp:RECENT for yet another reason why this has no place here. --CutOffTies (talk) 16:16, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Paul Revere may have rang some bells on his ride, but does any mainstream historian believe that Paul Revere had any intent to warn or scare the British in any way? I have never heard this, except from Palin. All accounts I have read say that Revere and Dawes were trying their best to avoid being noticed by the British, who would likely capture them immediately if found. --Westwind273 (talk) 15:49, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

12 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:13:57am

This is why I don't like Wiki. It's a great reference for specialty or unusual knowledge, but even remotely contested topics are often unstable and unreliable by the very nature of a wiki. Too many people take Wikipedia too seriously.

13 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:14:14am

Sorry, I don't get quite it, I guess. Palin's Revere gaffe was on June 3rd. Since then, only one account tried to bring in any Palin stuff into the article and that guy seems to be just… out there. The other edits since June 3rd seem to have been the regular copyediting and removing of unsourced material. I don't see the big concerted effort by Palin fans in the revision history.

14 Aye Pod  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:15:19am

Tlon, Uqbar, Greater Wingnuttia.

15 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:15:30am

re: #11 ElCapitanAmerica

wow what? It's just that Tomwsulcer guy arguing against everyone else... and not getting his way, mind you.

16 ElCapitanAmerica  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:15:40am

Even the guy doing the edit sounds like he's being sarcastic about it. Either that is he's just plain nuts.

17 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:16:03am

It's obvious from a wealth of sources that Revere was trying to evade the British and not warn them.
Revisionists do not care about this. Like their ideological brethren, the commercial conspiracy believers, they are far more interested in projecting their own authority and appearing to "win" an argument than in understanding reality. This is why they become belligerent if you question their sources, treating it as a challenge to their personal integrity. Conversely, they become abusive toward anyone who seems to have the advantage of fact. To them, "winning" consists of proving that they cannot be forced to concede the opposing argument, it is a matter of will, status and force, not of fact. A conspiracy theorist or revisionist is literally a pathological liar. This is perhaps why they are so well represented among low-level sales people.

18 ElCapitanAmerica  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:16:27am

re: #15 000G

wow what? It's just that Tomwsulcer guy arguing against everyone else... and not getting his way, mind you.

Wow that this guy could even be serious about it. I actually think he may not now after reading those comments.

19 Kronocide  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:16:34am

Here some guy named Dan Amira tried injecting 'bells' reference.

20 AK-47%  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:16:54am

re: #10 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Another HS student calls out Bachmann, this time on Evolution

Somebody is living dangerously. Does he plan to move to Australia and embrace AGW research?

21 Kragar  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:17:19am

I've got a fever for Paul Revere and then only cure it more cowbell.

22 AK-47%  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:17:51am

I'm not your steppin' stone!

23 Kragar  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:17:52am

re: #20 ralphieboy

Somebody is living dangerously. Does he plan to move to Australia and embrace AGW research?

I expect death threats against the kid at the very least.

24 Spocomptonite  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:18:11am

re: #12 thedopefishlives

This is why I don't like Wiki. It's a great reference for specialty or unusual knowledge, but even remotely contested topics are often unstable and unreliable by the very nature of a wiki. Too many people take Wikipedia too seriously.

Wikipedia is great, but it makes you work at it. Don't treat it as a source, but as a source of sources. I doubt everything I read there until I see the cited sources. It's bled over into real life, making me skeptical of anything I read/see/hear until I can confirm it with outside sources. And that' not a bad thing, IMO.

25 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:18:22am

re: #18 ElCapitanAmerica

Wow that this guy could even be serious about it. I actually think he may not now after reading those comments.

I am kind of surprised that it is just one guy. Wikipedia is a BIG site and attracts lots of not-so-serious trolls who just want to have fun getting on people's nerves.

Am I missing something here? Palin Fans? I see just one guy who might be one.

26 Summer Seale  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:18:42am

re: #12 thedopefishlives

This is why I don't like Wiki. It's a great reference for specialty or unusual knowledge, but even remotely contested topics are often unstable and unreliable by the very nature of a wiki. Too many people take Wikipedia too seriously.

Until now, nobody ever thought that the ride of Paul Revere would ever become a "hotly contested" topic, I think.

27 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:18:59am

re: #24 Spocomptonite

Wikipedia is great, but it makes you work at it. Don't treat it as a source, but as a source of sources. I doubt everything I read there until I see the cited sources. It's bled over into real life, making me skeptical of anything I read/see/hear until I can confirm it with outside sources. And that' not a bad thing, IMO.

No, that's not a bad thing at all. I mainly use Wikipedia as a reference for engineering topics. Thankfully, the laws of physics are difficult to dispute.

28 Spocomptonite  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:21:01am

I'm trying to check the conservapedia article/talk page of Paul Revere (for ***** and, especially, giggles) but I can't seem to get to it.

29 Summer Seale  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:21:09am

The Republican Party: Rewriting history is our job number one.

30 jaunte  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:21:13am

re: #26 Summer

Paul Revere may have rang some bells on his ride, but does any mainstream historian believe that Paul Revere had any intent to warn or scare the British in any way? I have never heard this, except from Palin. All accounts I have read say that Revere and Dawes were trying their best to avoid being noticed by the British, who would likely capture them immediately if found. --Westwind273


This logic would be disputed by the Tea Party / Gadsden flag wavers, who value open defiance above prudence.

31 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:22:49am

re: #25 000G

I am kind of surprised that it is just one guy. Wikipedia is a BIG site and attracts lots of not-so-serious trolls who just want to have fun getting on people's nerves.

Am I missing something here? Palin Fans? I see just one guy who might be one.

Why have these fun-loving trolls chosen to appear now, just when Palin's gaffe is in the news? "Trolls" vs. "Palin fans" is a distinction without a difference. Not that I would question your word or anything.

32 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:24:02am

I just read that the reporter's gotcha question to Sister Sarah was:

"What did you learn today?"

33 The Left  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:24:19am

re: #30 jaunte

This logic would be disputed by the Tea Party / Gadsden flag wavers, who value open defiance above prudence sanity.

Slightly amended.

34 The Left  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:24:59am

re: #32 Stanley Sea

I just read that the reporter's gotcha question to Sister Sarah was:

"What did you learn today?"

Ha, ha, ha. Classic.

35 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:25:00am

re: #33 iceweasel

Slightly amended.

{ice} How are things away yonder thataway?

36 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:25:50am

re: #31 Shiplord Kirel

Why have these fun-loving trolls chosen to appear now, just when Palin's gaffe is in the news? "Trolls" vs. "Palin fans" is a distinction without a difference. Not that I would question your word or anything.

Because Wikipedia being a wiki makes it vulnerable to recentism. This is nothing new, it's a bug/feature of the technology and today's media world.

But again: I don't care whether it's a troll or a fan. But why do you say trolls and fans? Are there any else than the user I mentioned, trying to get her Revere stuff in there?

37 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:25:56am

Her stupidity is like a superpower. She can change history with a single derp.

38 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:27:00am

re: #36 000G

But again: I don't care whether it's a troll or a fan. But why do you say trolls and fans? Are there any else than the user I mentioned, trying to get her Revere stuff in there?

See:

re: #19 BigPapa

Here some guy named Dan Amira tried injecting 'bells' reference.

39 RadicalModerate  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:27:36am

re: #31 Shiplord Kirel

Why have these fun-loving trolls chosen to appear now, just when Palin's gaffe is in the news? "Trolls" vs. "Palin fans" is a distinction without a difference. Not that I would question your word or anything.

I don't think the revisionist Palin edits are done by trolls. Wiki Trolls tend to hit more obscure entries and throw bizarre "factoids" about people or events.

This is more of a "truther" or "creationist" type of vandalism.

40 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:27:43am

re: #38 thedopefishlives

See:

re: #19 BigPapa

This

41 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:28:07am

re: #38 thedopefishlives

See:

re: #19 BigPapa

uh, no, that was Tomwsulcer again.

42 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:28:11am

re: #37 Killgore Trout

Her stupidity is like a superpower. She can change history with a single derp.

It's not even her stupidity so much as her rabidly loyal fanbase. Every time she herps a derp, her little mind slaves run out to make it so.

43 The Left  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:28:13am

re: #35 thedopefishlives

{ice} How are things away yonder thataway?

Fishie! Yay!

Things here are fabulous. Just got back from a carnival in Glasgow and we're slightly tipsy. How are you?

44 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:29:27am

re: #43 iceweasel

Fishie! Yay!

Things here are fabulous. Just got back from a carnival in Glasgow and we're slightly tipsy. How are you?

Doing well. We're enjoying a relaxing weekend in among the craziness of high summer here in the wild north country. The little fish is asleep for now, which is a rare event these days.

45 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:29:41am

re: #19 BigPapa

Here some guy named Dan Amira tried injecting 'bells' reference.

Dan Amira is the author of the NY Mag article Tomwsulcer tried to edit in. It's all Tomwsulcer, guys.

46 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:29:43am

re: #36 000G

Because Wikipedia being a wiki makes it vulnerable to recentism. This is nothing new, it's a bug/feature of the technology and today's media world.

But again: I don't care whether it's a troll or a fan. But why do you say trolls and fans? Are there any else than the user I mentioned, trying to get her Revere stuff in there?

You introduced the plural trolls yourself. How do you distinguish between these and the Palin fan(s)?

47 Summer Seale  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:29:48am

BTW, just a note for the critics of Wikipedia: I do agree in part, BUT...

Wikipedia has made changes in the last few years which prevents most of this from going on. Some topics can be locked and only edited by moderators during times which call for that topic to be locked down.

Also, you have to cite sources now in Wikipedia and the moderators tend to stick to that very carefully. You can't just write anything willy-nilly or somebody will take it down and digitally slap you on the discussion page and say something like "You have to cite sources." Also, the mods tend to enforce strictly neutral points of view and entire sections and articles are re-written by others when they get out of hand with propaganda or the like.

One final thing: if you are on a page, always, and I mean always look at the discussion page after (or during) your reading. It will tell you what's going on with that topic. It will also tell you what to trust or not as you will see if there are any "information wars" going on, and what sources are cited and contested by others.

Never, ever, forget to check the discussion page. I always do. If you do, Wikipedia will be far more reliable (if you follow up as well, btw) than most people give it credit.

48 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:29:54am

re: #45 000G

Dan Amira is the author of the NY Mag article Tomwsulcer tried to edit in. It's all Tomwsulcer, guys.

Yes, I think so.

And?

49 The Left  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:30:39am

re: #44 thedopefishlives

Doing well. We're enjoying a relaxing weekend in among the craziness of high summer here in the wild north country. The little fish is asleep for now, which is a rare event these days.

Glad to hear it! That sounds nice. Our very best to you and the Mrs., and especially the little fish. :)

50 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:31:04am

re: #46 Shiplord Kirel

You introduced the plural trolls yourself. How do you distinguish between these and the Palin fan(s)?

I introduced the plural in a context in which I contrasted the plural of trolls in general with there being just one guy, whether troll or fan, in this concrete instance.

Jeez.

And why would I want to distinguish?

51 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:31:56am

re: #48 Obdicut

Yes, I think so.

And?

And I think that runs counter to the initial reporting in this blog post and some comments. But maybe I am missing something here. Am I?

52 Kronocide  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:31:58am

re: #41 000G

uh, no, that was Tomwsulcer again.

You are correct. Tomwsulcer added the 'bells' reference and sourced it from Dan Amira from NYMag.

I'm still getting my head around the inner workings of Wikipedia.

So we're still at Tomwsulcer doing the fudgering but there's a lot of material to work through.

53 RadicalModerate  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:33:15am

Well, the Paul Revere Wiki entry now is semi-protected, which means no non-registered user edits, and only users with at least a four-day registration, and ten confirmed legitimate article edits can change articles.

54 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:34:41am

re: #49 iceweasel

Glad to hear it! That sounds nice. Our very best to you and the Mrs., and especially the little fish. :)

Thank you. :) It's a well-earned break between Mother's Day and Father's Day, and then next weekend we're taking a fishing vacation away north. So this is one of the rare chances we have to just relax and not do anything.

55 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:34:44am

re: #53 RadicalModerate

Well, the Paul Revere Wiki entry now is semi-protected, which means no non-registered user edits, and only users with at least a four-day registration, and ten confirmed legitimate article edits can change articles.

To be fair, it's been semi-protected since last November, so that probably has nothing to do with Palin.

56 BongCrodny  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:35:20am

The Tomwsulcer user page is awfully interesting:

IF you find yourself being highly charged ideologically, having long political battles with people that seem to go nowhere, arguments that don't persuade, arguments providing much heat but little light, arguments that afterwards leave you feeling heated-up and angry and wondering why is everybody else so stupid? And, if you don't like feeling this way, THEN: read Sowell. Just his first chapter. You'll see what I mean.


Hmm.

57 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:35:33am

re: #51 000G

And I think that runs counter to the initial reporting in this blog post and some comments. But maybe I am missing something here. Am I?

I'm really not sure what you're asking. Are you just saying that it's a fan, and not fans, who are currently doing this? I agree he's out there, but from a brief discourse into his weird-ass personal writings, I'd be surprised as hell if it was satire.

58 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:37:02am

re: #57 Obdicut

I'm really not sure what you're asking. Are you just saying that it's a fan, and not fans, who are currently doing this? I agree he's out there, but from a brief discourse into his weird-ass personal writings, I'd be surprised as hell if it was satire.

I am saying there is a difference between singular and plural, and it is meaningful. I am not really interested in that one single guy's character, his intentions, or his level of expertise. :-)

59 jaunte  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:38:12am

Elizabeth Ash:


Listen my children and you shall hear
Of the midnight ride of Paul Revere,
To warn the Brits, or what? Oh, dear
I cannot think, it’s not quite clear…

I have it now! And I will tell:
He rode, he shot, he rang the bell,
He told the Brits to go to hell
Defiant, proud and shooting swell.

Through the country dark he road
Through fair New Hampshire, so we’re told,
Through field and street, he was right bold
His rifle clutched, a vise-like hold.

“We armed, we’re armed!” he shouted wide,
He rang that bell as he did ride,
He shot the dark from side to side,
Uh, wait, I think that, uh, I lied.


[Link: blogs.forbes.com...]

60 windsagio  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:39:47am

re: #47 Summer

I have to get me some of that wikipedia criticism mojo!

They're pretty good at resisting this kind of thing, but that's because they're good at resisting any edits from outside their core group. It just comes in handy soemtimes :)

Seriously tho', they're anti-expert and the primary thing for being a 'good' editor (read: one who gets more powers) is volume... and a lot of the volume is putting those annoying "I see something wrong but am too important to fix it myself!" tags on pages... and deleting things for 'notability'.

61 RadicalModerate  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:39:53am

re: #55 000G

To be fair, it's been semi-protected since last November, so that probably has nothing to do with Palin.

I see that now - which means that the current edits are being done by established users.

Since there hasn't been any major changes to the historical record regarding Revere in many, many years, I think that the admins may want to throw full protection on this entry for the time being, or there's going to be an edit war being waged by a fervent few.

62 windsagio  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:40:34am

re: #61 RadicalModerate

well who hasn't gotten a wiki editing account at one time or another in the last 10 years? I have one ><

63 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:40:44am

re: #50 000G

I introduced the plural in a context in which I contrasted the plural of trolls in general with there being just one guy, whether troll or fan, in this concrete instance.

Jeez.

And why would I want to distinguish?

To return to the original question, I used the plural fans to be consistent in the general context, not in reference to any actual numbers or an actual user. Why did you cite the less-than-serious trolls if not to distinguish them from the one and only actual Palin fan?

64 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:40:46am

re: #58 000G

I am saying there is a difference between singular and plural, and it is meaningful. /blockquote>

I agree. However, I think that in your effort to attack this post, you've yourself overstretched a little.

re: #13 000G

I don't see the big concerted effort by Palin fans in the revision history.

Can you point out where the original post says that this is a concerted effort?

I agree with you that (at the moment) it's one dude. And I do think that if this were an unprotected entry we'd see more people whacking at it.

65 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:41:04am

re: #61 RadicalModerate

I see that now - which means that the current edits are being done by established users.

Since there hasn't been any major changes to the historical record regarding Revere in many, many years, I think that the admins may want to throw full protection on this entry for the time being, or there's going to be an edit war being waged by a fervent few.

I think they'll be able to handle that one guy, and block him rather than protect the page, should he start an edit-war with everyone else. :-)

66 RadicalModerate  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:41:39am

re: #62 windsagio

*raises hand*

67 Kronocide  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:41:47am

Tomwsulcer seems to be playing Coy Balance Fairy in the discussion.

You are correct 000G, it does seem to be Tomwsulcer only so far.

68 windsagio  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:42:02am

re: #66 RadicalModerate

Quiet, you.

69 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:44:46am

re: #64 Obdicut

I agree. However, I think that in your effort to attack this post, you've yourself overstretched a little.

"Attack" this post? No idea what you mean. Maybe you mistake my patience and willingness to be proven wrong in order to get to the bottom of this as "overstretching". Weird.

Can you point out where the original post says that this is a concerted effort?

Nope. But that's sort of the impression that I got. Lots of Palin fans. Sock puppets. Meat puppets. Swarm unintelligence. Coordination by ignorance. Etcetera.

I do think that if this were an unprotected entry we'd see more people whacking at it.

Maybe, maybe not. I could also argue that if Palin fans were really dedicated, they would have sock puppets reserves or something. But that would be utter speculation, also.

70 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:45:41am

re: #63 Shiplord Kirel

Why did you cite the less-than-serious trolls if not to distinguish them from the one and only actual Palin fan?

To clarifiy (or overstretch): My point was plural versus singular, more than fan versus troll (which, for all intents and purposes, might be the same).

71 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:47:15am

The one wiki troll is acting on behalf of millions who accept Palin's revisionist claims but don't know how to monkey around with wikipedia. I don't think it matters much that only one person has managed to actually do this. It shows the persistence of mythology. This one will grow with time and sources to support it will inevitably appear.

72 RadicalModerate  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:48:14am

From a fit of morbid curiosity, I had to try to see what the amazingly inaccurate conservapedia had to say about Paul Revere.

The page is currently unreachable.

73 ReamWorks SKG  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:48:43am

I think the Wikipedia editor is trying to be funny, and to prove a point about Wikipedia's policies. I don't think he's necessarily a Palin fan...

74 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:48:45am

re: #72 RadicalModerate

From a fit of morbid curiosity, I had to try to see what the amazingly inaccurate fair and balanced conservapedia had to say about Paul Revere.

The page is currently unreachable.

FTFY

75 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:48:56am

re: #71 Shiplord Kirel

The one wiki troll is acting on behalf of millions who accept Palin's revisionist claims but don't know how to monkey around with wikipedia. I don't think it matters much that only one person has managed to actually do this. It shows the persistence of mythology. This one will grow with time and sources to support it will inevitably appear.

Well, the gaffe was on June 3rd, so with semi-protection in effect, we should see the first newly-registered users trying their best at the page sometime on the 7th,

76 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:49:04am

re: #69 000G

I'm really unsure what your point is, beyond that it's one Palin fan and not multiples who are doing this. There's certainly a large multitude of Palin fans spreading the disinformation around at other sites that aren't Wikipedia.

Is your only point that the above post should be "he" instead of "they"?

77 Spocomptonite  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:50:11am

re: #72 RadicalModerate

From a fit of morbid curiosity, I had to try to see what the amazingly inaccurate conservapedia had to say about Paul Revere.

The page is currently unreachable.

Well good then it isn't just me/my connection.

78 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:50:17am

re: #76 Obdicut

Is your only point that the above post should be "he" instead of "they"?

Not the only, for sure. But yes. And "fan" instead of "fans".

79 darthstar  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:50:24am

Wow...it's kind of fun grabbing a random selection from the Palinistas and comparing it to the current version. Some of their edits are pretty funny.

80 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:51:23am

re: #78 000G

Not the only, for sure. But yes. And "fan" instead of "fans".

Okay, what point do you have beyond that?

81 webevintage  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:51:30am

Also see the discussion page for an entertaining exchange between Wikipedia editors and a would-be revisionist.

That was entertaining...
Her followers are just complete morons.

82 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:52:46am

re: #73 reuven

I think the Wikipedia editor is trying to be funny, and to prove a point about Wikipedia's policies. I don't think he's necessarily a Palin fan...

The rest of his writing-- including his self-published "Common Sense II" book, does fit in with the self-taught revolutionary mold, though.

83 windsagio  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:52:55am

re: #78 000G

Dude, don't fall into the 'ask question, pretend to misunderstand, ask question' trap. It really never ends.

84 FreedomMoon  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:53:06am

I got the horse right here, the name is Paul Revere, and straight from his mouth: "Sarah Palin is a dumb ass that clearly knows very little about the founding of our nation."

(A reference is made here to the musical Guys and Dolls)

85 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:53:07am

re: #80 Obdicut

Okay, what point do you have beyond that?

There is one further up in the discussion with Kirel about recentism, the technological features of Wikipedia, and how the multitudes of Palin fans out there might become proactive on the Revere article. Feel free to jump in on at any time. :-)

86 jaunte  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:53:19am

About 4.5 million Google hits for 'Palin was right about Paul Revere' [Link: www.google.com...]
That could mean more than one editor on Wikipedia is interested in changing the story.

87 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:53:42am

re: #83 windsagio

Dude, don't fall into the 'ask question, pretend to misunderstand, ask question' trap. It really never ends.

Huh?

88 darthstar  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:54:26am

Please tell me I'm not too late for the book burning...I hate to miss a good book burning...

89 RadicalModerate  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:54:27am

re: #74 thedopefishlives

Here's a better edit:

From a fit of morbid curiosity, I had to try to see what the amazingly

fair and balanced!

conservapedia had to say about Paul Revere.

The page is currently unreachable.

90 windsagio  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:54:33am

re: #87 000G

my own little world, don't worry :p

91 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:55:17am

re: #85 000G

There is one further up in the discussion with Kirel about recentism, the technological features of Wikipedia, and how the multitudes of Palin fans out there might become proactive on the Revere article. Feel free to jump in on at any time. :-)

Oh, sorry, I was referring to your original post. Thanks.

92 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:55:47am

re: #83 windsagio

Wind, is this going to be your thing from now on-- sniping and implying crap about my motives?

93 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:55:48am

re: #89 RadicalModerate

Much better. My apologies. I was hoping the sarcasm would carry well enough without using a tag.

94 M. Dubious  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:56:45am

re: #80 Obdicut

Okay, what point do you have beyond that?

That shit is getting tedious. He made his point.

95 zora  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:57:43am

ot: Herman Cain: Bachmann’s FFC Prayer ‘The Ultimate Pander’

Cain is no stranger to leading prayers -- he's an associate minister at Antioch Baptist Church North in Atlanta -- and there's little doubt he will be warmly greeted by the evangelical audience here.

But Cain said that the prayerful moments, which were well-received when Bachmann and Pawlenty delivered them yesterday, smacked of candidates trying a little too hard.

"Well, that sounds like the ultimate pander," he said, dismissively.

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

Cain To GOP Field: Admit Ryan Medicare Plan Is A Voucher System


CAIN: Nobody’s talking about the fact that the centerpiece of Ryan’s plan is a voucher. Now, a lot of people don’t like to use that term because it has a negative connotation. That is what we need. [...]

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

the primary season is going to be quite entertaining.

96 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:58:19am

Wiki seems pretty well protected from wingnuts in general, actually.

The Global Warming page starts off with an unequivocal statement that the scientific consensus is that it's occurring.

I don't expect this dude's attempt to distort the Revere ride to be successful, either, or any future attempts.

That's why Conservepedia was founded, of course.

97 jaunte  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:58:38am

Uncomfortable admission by Patterico:

UPDATE BY PATTERICO: God help me, I think I agree with happyfeet on Sarah Palin . . . on this one: this didn’t really have that masterstroke kind of feel. I don’t think it’s right to lump it in with the “Party like it’s 1773″ situation, where her critics did indeed look stupid even as they claimed she was. To me, she sounds kind of incoherent in this clip. But as Dennis Miller says: that’s just my opinion. I could be wrong.
98 Alexzander  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:58:43am

re: #92 Obdicut

Wind, is this going to be your thing from now on-- sniping and implying crap about my motives?

??? Are you and OOG the same person?

99 darthstar  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:59:09am

re: #95 zora

ot: Herman Cain: Bachmann’s FFC Prayer ‘The Ultimate Pander’

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

Cain To GOP Field: Admit Ryan Medicare Plan Is A Voucher System

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

the primary season is going to be quite entertaining.

I hope Cain makes it to the nationally televised debates.

100 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:59:23am

re: #94 harald

That shit is getting tedious. He made his point.

Yep. And he's right; it's just one dude right now. Who definitely is a bit 'out there'.

101 darthstar  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 11:59:55am

re: #99 darthstar

I hope Cain makes it to the nationally televised debates.

Never mind...I just remembered...the GOP cuts people from debates it doesn't like. (and yes, the Dems did it to Mike Gravel, so equivalence is in balance)

102 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:00:13pm

re: #98 Alexzander

??? Are you and OOG the same person?

I doubt it, but I can't say with absolute certainty. We'd need to compare pictures of our Johnson's in grey underwear to be absolutely sure.

103 Summer Seale  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:00:28pm

You know, I may have missed it but I haven't seen anyone comment on the other outrageous thing in Palin's latest little gaffe about Paul Revere. It wasn't just that she completely messed up the story (let's be fair: we all know she's a vapid idiot), but it's also the fact that she appears to have presented this story as some sort of dire warning against the government.

I have to ask: is she warning about some sort of oncoming insurrection? Because the government is trying to...what exactly? What has the Obama administration done to try to "take away our guns"? I know that it is widely accepted in anti-Obama circles that he is trying to take away our "Guns, Ammo, and Wimmins", but exactly what basis do they have for claiming this?

I haven't seen the administration trying to take anyone's guns away, as far as I can remember. And yet we have these right-wing extremist morons claiming that this is so practically every single day.

And now we have one of the most well known figures apparently warning that they're going to have yet another armed and bloody revolution and using historical figures in an attempt to warn against any attempt to....exactly what again?

Personally, I think that's really fucking outrageous.

104 Alexzander  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:01:13pm

re: #102 Obdicut

I doubt it, but I can't say with absolute certainty. We'd need to compare pictures of our Johnson's in grey underwear to be absolutely sure.

Correct answer. Forever known as Obdicut's Wager.

105 zora  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:01:39pm

re: #101 darthstar

Never mind...I just remembered...the GOP cuts people from debates it doesn't like. (and yes, the Dems did it to Mike Gravel, so equivalence is in balance)

cain won't get cut from the debates. the base likes the guy. he even has his own country music video. they only do that for the special ones.

106 M. Dubious  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:02:27pm

re: #100 Obdicut

Yep. And he's right; it's just one dude right now. Who definitely is a bit 'out there'.

:)

107 Mark Winter  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:02:43pm

Palin's next history lesson: George Washington's summer crossing of the Mississippi.

108 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:03:34pm

re: #107 Mark Winter

Or about how the American colonists won the Revolution without help from any other country.

109 Kronocide  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:03:38pm

re: #103 Summer

You know, I may have missed it but I haven't seen anyone comment on the other outrageous thing in Palin's latest little gaffe about Paul Revere. It wasn't just that she completely messed up the story (let's be fair: we all know she's a vapid idiot), but it's also the fact that she appears to have presented this story as some sort of dire warning against the government.

I sensed a strong pro-2nd Amen narrative coming from her. The history, facts, and information can be mangled all to hell but the ideology is pretty damn clear.

110 AK-47%  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:03:43pm

re: #103 Summer


Recall the central image of the Tea Party: American patriots fighting against a tyrannical, illegitemate regime.

The dogwhistle message is that it is our right, even our duty as Real Americans (TM) to overthrow this regime, by force if necessary. (As in Sharron Angle's famous "If First amendment solutions don't work , we may have to resort to Second Amendment solutions" quote.)

111 darthstar  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:04:51pm

re: #109 BigPapa

I sensed a strong pro-2nd Amen narrative coming from her. The history, facts, and information can be mangled all to hell but the ideology is pretty damn clear.

The 2nd Amendment not only pre-dates the Constitution...it pre-dates the Bible!

112 Spocomptonite  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:07:14pm

re: #108 Obdicut

Or about how the American colonists won the Revolution without help from any other country.

Or how the land in this country was God-given to us and thus pretty much empty pre-colonization and the Native Americans Indians tried defending themselves from our ridiculous demands taking it away from us with their ridiculous demands.

113 Mark Winter  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:09:56pm

re: #108 Obdicut

Or about how the American colonists won the Revolution without help from any other country.

And when the French burned down the White House

114 webevintage  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:10:14pm

re: #84 tacuba14

I got the horse right here, the name is Paul Revere, and straight from his mouth: "Sarah Palin is a dumb ass that clearly knows very little about the founding of our nation."

(A reference is made here to the musical Guys and Dolls)

Now I have that song in my head.


I love Guys and Doll...
sue me, sue me, what can you do me, I love you......

115 Spocomptonite  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:14:42pm

re: #113 Mark Winter

And when the French burned down the White House

I thought Islam and/or socialists commies burned down the White House?
/// (needed?)

116 AK-47%  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:17:34pm

re: #115 Spocomptonite

I thought Islam and/or socialists commies burned down the White House?
/// (needed?)


No, they just occupied in in January 2009...

117 zora  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:19:02pm


Paul Ryan’s Ayn Rand Problem

...Across the street from the Faith & Freedom Conference Friday afternoon, a group of religious leaders continued the attack on what they now consistently refer to as “The Ayn Rand Budget.” Father Cletus Kiley, a Catholic priest, declared the Ryan budget “does not pass our test” of Catholic teachings, and suggested that supporters of the budget “drop Ayn Rand’s books and pick up their sacred texts.”

Read more: [Link: swampland.time.com...]

118 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:20:33pm

Check out this new BMW ad, "Overprotective, Don't Text and Drive"

Thoughts? I think it's incredibly shocking, but I guess that's the point.

119 Mark Winter  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:23:13pm

The argument of that Palin guy is very educating:

"Sarah Palin is a former governor of Alaska as well as a presidential candidate of one of the two national parties in the United States. Her account of Paul Revere's famous ride has achieved national attention from most mainstream media -- LA Times, CNN, you name it. There are numerous reliable sources quoted her exact words on this subject. This article has HUGE attention (55K readers in one day) as a result. Clearly, there should be some mention given its obvious importance. And I remind people, kindly, that it's not up to us contributors to determine who is and isn't a "poorly informed view" and to try to determine truth. Rather, Wikipedia is about verifiability.-"

This is how they think. They are pulling the same stunt with climate change or creationism. Raising nonsensical views and insisting that those should be debated like real and established scientific findings.

Next they want Palin's history lessons to be taught in schools just like the Intelligent Design crap.

120 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:24:22pm

re: #119 Mark Winter

The argument of that Palin guy is very educating:

This is how they think. They are pulling the same stunt with climate change or creationism. Raising nonsensical views and insisting that those should be debated like real and established scientific findings.

Next they want Palin's history lessons to be taught in schools just like the Intelligent Design crap.

"It's just an alternate theory! Teach the controversy!"

/

121 AK-47%  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:24:25pm

re: #119 Mark Winter

Next they want Palin's history lessons to be taught in schools just like the Intelligent Design crap.

they already do

122 The Left  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:24:37pm

re: #118 Stanley Sea

I think it's a great ad.

123 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:26:35pm

My goodness. Look how many retweets on this article.

And almost 6000 people online.

And I just went over 2000 Twitter followers.

Thanks to you folks who pointed this out in the previous thread!

124 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:26:36pm

re: #118 Stanley Sea
No pun intended it packs one heck of a punch.

125 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:28:30pm

Don't worry Sarah fans! Schafly over at Conservapedia will probably let you rewrite history there...

126 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:28:38pm

re: #123 Charles

My goodness. Look how many retweets on this article.

And almost 6000 people online.

And I just went over 2000 Twitter followers.

Thanks to you folks who pointed this out in the previous thread!

But...but...but LGF is in decline! It's falling apart at the seams! Nobody but a bunch of insane sycophants visits it anymore!

///

127 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:29:56pm

re: #123 Charles

You know you are doing something good when the stalkers create new twitter accounts.

128 Spocomptonite  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:30:30pm

re: #123 Charles

My goodness. Look how many retweets on this article.

And almost 6000 people online.

And I just went over 2000 Twitter followers.

Thanks to you folks who pointed this out in the previous thread!

I think your choice of awesome face-palm Revere really made the article.

Seriously, though, those retweet numbers are CRAZY.

129 Kronocide  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:30:40pm

re: #127 Thanos

You know you are doing something good when the stalkers create new twitter accounts.

But who will Stalk the Stalkers?

130 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:32:40pm

re: #128 Spocomptonite

It's a little depressing that this gets retwittered more than, say, a post about AGW, but that's Twitter for you.

131 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:33:34pm

Looks like we're 'trending' on Twitter now...

[Link: trendsmap.com...]

132 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:36:04pm

It is amazing what attracts people's attention. And after seeing the BMW ad I to not want to tweet.

133 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:36:06pm

re: #130 Obdicut

It's a little depressing that this gets retwittered more than, say, a post about AGW, but that's Twitter for you.

Come for the Twinkies, stay for the main course.

134 Spocomptonite  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:38:20pm

re: #130 Obdicut

It's a little depressing that this gets retwittered more than, say, a post about AGW, but that's Twitter for you.

Maybe that's because the science behind AGW can make people feel inadequate, unintelligent. Bad feelings. Sarah Palin's American History makes anyone feel smart. Good feelings.

135 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:39:23pm

lol @ EbbAndFlow downdinging my posts. :-)

136 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:40:14pm

Curious little downdinger… Come out and say hi, you! :-)

137 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:40:16pm

Heh. Maybe it's time to open registration.

138 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:41:21pm

re: #137 Charles
That sounds like a good idea. :)

139 Spocomptonite  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:42:08pm

re: #137 Charles

Heh. Maybe it's time to open registration.

I imagine the flood of new registrants to be akin to the wave in 2012 overtopping the Himalayas.

140 Spocomptonite  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:42:36pm

re: #139 Spocomptonite

sorry, I mean that as a good thing. Do it!!!

141 darthstar  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:44:31pm

re: #11 ElCapitanAmerica

Checkout the discussion page ... wow ...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

So because she's gotten a lot of attention and her telling of the story has been quoted verbatim more than three times we should now consider it factual? Even Chris Wallace told her she was wrong...and he works for her.

142 Summer Seale  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:45:08pm

By the way,

I would like to caution anyone who is trying to mock Sarah Palin for this. Remember, please, that she is one of the defacto leaders of a movement and group of geniuses whom we have to thank for uncovering the utter lies of all of science built up in the last four hundred years, including:

The Grand Conspiracy of Evolution
The Lie of a Heliocentric Model of the Solar System
The Great Sham of The Age of the Universe and the Big Bang
The Enormous Crime of Climate Change Scientists
Ann Coulter's discovery of the Great Fib of the Dangers of Radiation
Bachmann's revelation that the Founding Fathers Fought Against Slavery

And many more such notable discoveries which have advanced the cause of real, Biblical, science even further.

I doubt anyone here has the wit, intelligence, credentials, schooling, or downright scientific inquisitiveness to compare to these brilliant geniuses whom, by any measure, should be listed amongst the great Nobel scientists of our age, where it simply not for the "lamestream" media's perverse attempt to destroy them all along with the truth.

They discovered that conspiracy as well, by the way.

143 Mark Winter  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:45:56pm

The Palin supporter has actually tried to be pretty smart:

""Accounts differ regarding the method of alerting the colonists; the generally accepted position is that the warnings were verbal in nature, although one disputed account suggested that Revere rang bells during his ride.[8][9]"

Of course it would be rather irrelevant whether Revere rang bells or not, the real nonsense of Palin's account would be that Revere wanted to warn or scare the British.

By putting in doubt a minor detail, the tacit understanding is that the WHOLE historical account of Revere's actions should be put into question in order to "disembarras" Palin and HER rather unique version.

The Palinista is still stupid of course. You don't get away with that kind of vandalism at Wikipedia.

144 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:46:36pm

Pamela Geller's main source for her Serbian genocide denial posts, Julia Gorin, is raging and tossing insults at me on her blog.

145 Kronocide  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:47:26pm

re: #142 Summer

Wow, extra Truthy!

146 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:47:40pm

re: #144 Charles

Pamela Geller's main source for her Serbian genocide denial posts, Julia Gorin, is raging and tossing insults at me on her blog.

I reckon she also rages against Summer and albusteve. Badges of honor, guys! :-)

147 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:47:49pm

re: #132 PhillyPretzel

It is amazing what attracts people's attention. And after seeing the BMW ad I to not want to tweet.

Not in the car. That's for sure. I watched it this am and it brought a tear to my eye. Shockingly good.

148 Spocomptonite  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:48:48pm

re: #131 Charles

I think it rather fitting that this story/LGF is trending with other things such as 'thingsthatmakenosense' and 'unshakeable'

149 Kronocide  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:52:47pm

re: #144 Charles

Pamela Geller's main source for her Serbian genocide denial posts, Julia Gorin, is raging and tossing insults at me on her blog.

My Projection Meter redlined on the first sentence: '.... tantrum-prone Charles Johnson....'

150 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:53:15pm

re: #137 Charles

Heh. Maybe it's time to open registration.

I'm seeing you re-tweeted by people I'd love to chat with (their friends too)

151 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:53:50pm

From the wiki discussion page.

"Sarah Palin is a former governor of Alaska as well as a presidential candidate of one of the two national parties in the United States. Her account of Paul Revere's famous ride has achieved national attention from most mainstream media -- LA Times, CNN, you name it. There are numerous reliable sources quoted her exact words on this subject. This article has HUGE attention (55K readers in one day) as a result. Clearly, there should be some mention given its obvious importance. And I remind people, kindly, that it's not up to us contributors to determine who is and isn't a "poorly informed view" and to try to determine truth. Rather, Wikipedia is about verifiability"


[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]


lol, I'm not sure if this is some kind of elaborate troll or not.

152 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:54:19pm

re: #144 Charles

Pamela Geller's main source for her Serbian genocide denial posts, Julia Gorin, is raging and tossing insults at me on her blog.

Warning, link that follows not for those soft at heart.

A quick google of "Srebrenica Massacre" filtered through images should dissuade anyone from joining in Pam and Julia's evil depravity.

153 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:54:27pm

re: #143 Mark Winter

The Palin supporter has actually tried to be pretty smart:

""Accounts differ regarding the method of alerting the colonists; the generally accepted position is that the warnings were verbal in nature, although one disputed account suggested that Revere rang bells during his ride.[8][9]"

Of course it would be rather irrelevant whether Revere rang bells or not, the real nonsense of Palin's account would be that Revere wanted to warn or scare the British.

By putting in doubt a minor detail, the tacit understanding is that the WHOLE historical account of Revere's actions should be put into question in order to "disembarras" Palin and HER rather unique version.

The Palinista is still stupid of course. You don't get away with that kind of vandalism at Wikipedia.

It's pretty much a wingnut tactic with anything where their "argument" is on the losing side: Claim that there is "dispute," that the mainstream view/account isn't universally accepted, and claim that their "theory" is equally valid. Then whine that anybody who doesn't give their "theory" the time of day is working against efforts to educate the masses, that teaching their "theory" is, in fact, a means of fostering open-mindedness.

154 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:54:28pm

wow!
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

GAwker Reddit, facebook, twitter, Ballon juice.

155 jaunte  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:54:37pm

re: #144 Charles

Gorin: "...he tries to paint anti-jihad activist Pamela Geller as a vile nut job."

Geller does that job all by herself; Gorin blames you for drawing attention to it.

156 Mark Winter  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:57:13pm

re: #153 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It's pretty much a wingnut tactic with anything where their "argument" is on the losing side: Claim that there is "dispute," that the mainstream view/account isn't universally accepted, and claim that their "theory" is equally valid. Then whine that anybody who doesn't give their "theory" the time of day is working against efforts to educate the masses, that teaching their "theory" is, in fact, a means of fostering open-mindedness.

The only difference here may be that the poster probably doesn't believe his nonsense himself but needs to cover up for Palin's nonsense.

157 JeffM70  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:58:17pm

Isn't revisionist history the reason why conservepedia was created, so conservatives had somewhere where they can validate their fantasies?

158 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:58:36pm

CHECK THIS OUT - for real?

CELEBurrito CELEBurrito
by Reilly4Sanity

Did @FoxNews really just #Fail by using a pic of #TinaFey instead of a real one of @SarahPalinUSA?! [Link: twitpic.com...]

Oh those foxy idiots. Or on purpose?

159 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 12:58:44pm

re: #151 SpaceJesus

It's not a troll. Check his posting history. Obviously a wingnut.

160 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:00:35pm

re: #159 Charles


i like his little drawings on his user profile

161 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:00:37pm

Oh for Pete's sake. Suddenly Adsense is serving up Ron Paul "money bomb" ads.

Excuse me while I block this garbage.

162 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:00:50pm

re: #156 Mark Winter

The only difference here may be that the poster probably doesn't believe his nonsense himself but needs to cover up for Palin's nonsense.

I wouldn't be so sure. Fanatics have shutting off their own internal bullshit detectors when it comes to the subject of their worship.

163 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:01:56pm

re: #161 Charles
I was getting that ad earlier today.

164 darthstar  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:02:02pm

re: #161 Charles

Oh for Pete's sake. Suddenly Adsense is serving up Ron Paul "money bomb" ads.

Excuse me while I block this garbage.

Fine...let me buy a life-sized cardboard cut-out of Palin, but no LUAP NOR?

165 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:02:58pm

[Link: twitpic.com...]

166 Spocomptonite  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:03:54pm

re: #161 Charles

Oh for Pete's sake. Suddenly Adsense is serving up Ron Paul "money bomb" ads.

Excuse me while I block this garbage.

I've been getting those for like 2-3 days now. I find nearly all the ads that display here to be a mirthful juxtaposition between what they are trying to sell and the content of the articles and comments on this site.

167 abolitionist  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:05:39pm

re: #128 Spocomptonite

I think your choice of awesome face-palm Revere really made the article.

Seriously, though, those retweet numbers are CRAZY.

I'll second that. Thank's Charles, for the RevereFacepalm link. That will be my new wallpaper for a while.

168 darthstar  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:06:58pm

re: #165 Stanley Sea

[Link: twitpic.com...]

Brilliant. Fox is good at using stock photos of one event to help boost crowd sizes of others, but this is the first time I think that they've screwed up a picture of one of their own...unless someone in the back room was quitting his job and thew the Tina pic in the mix to fuck with them, this shows just how crappy their quality control actually is.

169 albusteve  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:10:31pm

Sarah Palin's tour a rolling menace

appears that sly old dog A J Foyte is driving Palins bus...stay back 500 ft

Palin’s two-SUV caravan traveled at 52 miles per hour in a 35 mph zone as it peeled away from the hosts’ neighborhood. Both cars blew through a stop sign about a mile later. They did 70 mph in a 55 mph zone on I-95 — and then, after they got off, without signaling, flew right past a flashing sign informing them they were going 45 mph in a 35 mph zone.

Read more: [Link: www.politico.com...]

170 Digital Display  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:11:32pm

Our American History
The hacked talking points of Sarah Palin ( FOIA ) Document #13875B

Thank you America..We know America is { Fill in the blank} based on our {blank}values and { Blank} that we embrace here in { Fill in country}.
Today because of { blank} and Obama...[edit] no source
If you will follow me on my { Bus..Plane ..other} We can save { insert name of country} for our Children and for our future generations.
{Don't ja know?}

171 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:11:54pm

Lolwhut

172 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:13:47pm

To plagiarize one of the comments at Boingboing:

Her next statement will be one of reverence for the brave Americans who bombed the Japanese at Pearl Harbor in order to keep "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance.

173 JamesWI  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:14:43pm

re: #169 albusteve

Sarah Palin's tour a rolling menace

appears that sly old dog A J Foyte is driving Palins bus...stay back 500 ft

Palin’s two-SUV caravan traveled at 52 miles per hour in a 35 mph zone as it peeled away from the hosts’ neighborhood. Both cars blew through a stop sign about a mile later. They did 70 mph in a 55 mph zone on I-95 — and then, after they got off, without signaling, flew right past a flashing sign informing them they were going 45 mph in a 35 mph zone.

Read more: [Link: www.politico.com...]

Stop signs and speed limits are a socialist conspiracy against true Americans.

174 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:15:16pm

re: #172 negativ
You think? //

175 windsagio  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:15:25pm

re: #169 albusteve

All you need to know about america is that the cops pulled a reporter over, but didn't touch the actual caravan.

176 Spocomptonite  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:16:02pm

re: #169 albusteve

On Tuesday, the bus nearly hit a biker turning off of Pine Street in Philadelphia.

Okay, now I'm pissed. Screw up American history all you want, but nearly take out people on bikes with your ridiculously oversized vehicles??? FOR SHAME!!!!

177 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:18:45pm

re: #176 Spocomptonite
Pine Street is very narrow and no bus should be going down that street.

178 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:19:51pm

There's another event happening. Walkerville has been set up in Madison Wisconsin. They've got a 17 day permit.

Image: IMG_5872.jpg

179 Spocomptonite  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:23:15pm

re: #178 Stanley Sea

Look, a jet-pack flying unicorn vomiting rainbows!!! The population truly is "Awesome!!!"

180 Digital Display  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:24:58pm

Poor Sarah.. From now on every reporter in America will ask her a gotcha question like Leno on late night..
' Hey Sarah.. Who won the battle of Waterloo during the war of 1812?'
I think Steward will really roast her this week

181 windsagio  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:26:13pm

re: #179 Spocomptonite

is that like a Rainicorn?

Image: rainicorn.jpg

182 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:27:24pm

Dear Sarah and those who'd vote for her,

Ignorance is not a virtue.

Signed,
Ivory Tower Sith Lord

183 elizajane  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:32:21pm

re: #151 SpaceJesus

From the wiki discussion page.

"Sarah Palin is a former governor of Alaska as well as a presidential candidate of one of the two national parties in the United States. Her account of Paul Revere's famous ride has achieved national attention from most mainstream media -- LA Times, CNN, you name it. There are numerous reliable sources quoted her exact words on this subject. This article has HUGE attention (55K readers in one day) as a result. Clearly, there should be some mention given its obvious importance. And I remind people, kindly, that it's not up to us contributors to determine who is and isn't a "poorly informed view" and to try to determine truth. Rather, Wikipedia is about verifiability"

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

lol, I'm not sure if this is some kind of elaborate troll or not.

So if Sarah says it, and it gets quoted, it's verifiably true? Reality is that simple?

That's wonderful! Can we get her to say that unemployment has dropped to 5%, the Dow will break 13,000 next week, the war in Afghanistan is over and we have won, America has the best public schools in the world, Palestinians love Israelis (and vice versa), and there is plenty of food for the earth's population because climate change really, truly isn't occurring? I'll let her throw in a few words about those massive oil reserves in Alaska being enough to wean us from dependence on the Middle East if she wants. I'd like all of those things to be verifiably true.

184 albusteve  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:34:56pm

TweetDeck?...Weiners tweet used this app...or so says this article

TweetDeck — a popular Adobe desktop application that links up with social networking sites. A review of Weiner’s Twitter stream from May 27, the day of the crotch pic, shows that Weiner had been posting only from TweetDeck — one of many ways to post messages to Twitter — that entire night....

not sure what all this means, but Chris McCrosky, who developed the software goes on to say this...

“Here’s the thing that solves it all,” said McCroskey, “for him to call for a criminal investigation. All they have to do is look at his TweetDeck and see if it came from there, see what IP address [it had]. The local police department or Capitol Police could probably figure this out in 15 minutes.”

[Link: www.thedaily.com...]

185 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:37:13pm

re: #182 Varek Raith

Dear Sarah and those who'd vote for her,

Ignorance is not a virtue.

Signed,
Ivory Tower Sith Lord

A Party member is expected to have no private emotions and no respites from enthusiasm. He is supposed to live in a continuous frenzy of hatred of foreign enemies and internal traitors, triumph over victories, and self-abasement before the power and wisdom of the Party. The discontents produced by his bare, unsatisfying life are deliberately turned outwards and dissipated by such devices as the Two Minutes Hate, and the speculations which might possibly induce a sceptical or rebellious attitude are killed in advance by his early acquired inner discipline.

The first and simplest stage in the discipline, which can be taught even to young children, is called, in Newspeak, crimestop. Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity. But stupidity is not enough.

On the contrary, orthodoxy in the full sense demands a control over one's own mental processes as complete as that of a contortionist over his body. Oceanic society rests ultimately on the belief that Big Brother is omnipotent and that the Party is infallible. But since in reality Big Brother is not omnipotent and the party is not infallible, there is need for an unwearying, moment-to-moment flexibility in the treatment of facts. The keyword here is blackwhite. Like so many Newspeak words, this word has two mutually contradictory meanings. Applied to an opponent, it means the habit of impudently claiming that black is white, in contradiction of the plain facts.

Applied to a Party member, it means a loyal willingness to say that black is white when Party discipline demands this. But it means also the ability to believe that black is white, and more, to know that black is white, and to forget that one has ever believed the contrary. This demands a continuous alteration of the past, made possible by the system of thought which really embraces all the rest, and which is known in Newspeak as doublethink.

tl;dr - ignorance is strength

186 Wayne A. Schneider  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:37:29pm

When will right-wing nutjobs learn that the Truth is what is actually true, and not simply what people believe is true? The Earth is not flat, the Sun does not orbit the Earth, and Sarah Palin is not just on a vacation to historic sites. Just because millions of people believed these things at one time does not make them any more true than saying two plus two equals five. (That equation would only be true if you redefined "five" to be the second successor of "two", but let's not go there right now.)

This is why Fox News Channel is so dangerous to our democratic way of life. Their attitude is that if millions of people believe something, there must be at least an element of truth to it. And this is how they have managed to get the conservative point of view accepted as valid, when it clearly isn't.

BTW, since FNC is helping promote Palin's "vacation tour", then if she changes her mind and does run for president, will all the money they spent be considered a campaign contribution? And if corporations real;l;y are legally people (a view I find to be total bullshit), and people can have campaign contribution limits imposed on them, then shouldn't corporations be limited in how much they can contribute? They can't have it both ways. They can't say corporations are people but without the limits imposed on people.

187 windsagio  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:38:17pm

re: #184 albusteve

I don't know why people use things like tweetdeck.

More personal tracking and more needless crap constantly using system resources.

188 albusteve  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:38:27pm

re: #185 negativ

what is all that?

189 albusteve  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:39:51pm

re: #187 windsagio

I don't know why people use things like tweetdeck.

More personal tracking and more needless crap constantly using system resources.

I'm completely ignorant...but my internal crimebuster would like to see the truth of the matter

190 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:40:49pm

Oh man. I think I might have to buy one of those life-size Sarah Palin cardboard cutouts.

191 darthstar  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:41:37pm

re: #184 albusteve

Another picture of a weiner...with buns.

It's not up to Weiner to disprove the penis picture. He's innocent until proven guilty. Twitter/YFrog could release the IP address of the sender of that picture and make it public. It would be a matter of seconds before thousands of people retweeted the location, service provider, etc. for that IP address.

Weiner doesn't have to do a goddamn thing.

192 albusteve  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:41:59pm

re: #187 windsagio

I don't know why people use things like tweetdeck.

More personal tracking and more needless crap constantly using system resources.

and further, it seems like Weiner would feel obligated to other users, to call for an investigation....just blowing off personal security issues doesn't sound right to me...especially for a congressman

193 Kragar  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:42:24pm

re: #183 elizajane

Sarah once said she can see Russia from her house. Obviously, Russia is getting closer.

194 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:42:28pm

re: #191 darthstar
Do not show that one to PETA.

195 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:42:42pm

re: #188 albusteve

what is all that?

Just the words of some Englishman called Eric Blair. Pay it no mind. Nobody else does, either.

196 Kragar  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:42:46pm

re: #190 Charles

Oh man. I think I might have to buy one of those life-size Sarah Palin cardboard cutouts.

Gonna pet the lobster?
/

197 darthstar  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:43:37pm

re: #196 kragar (proud to be kafir)

Gonna pet the lobster?
/

zing!

198 Kragar  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:44:10pm

re: #197 darthstar

zing!

HEY-OH!

199 darthstar  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:44:48pm

re: #198 kragar (proud to be kafir)

HEY-OH!

I'll be using that euphemism going forward.

200 albusteve  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:45:18pm

re: #191 darthstar

Another picture of a weiner...with buns.

It's not up to Weiner to disprove the penis picture. He's innocent until proven guilty. Twitter/YFrog could release the IP address of the sender of that picture and make it public. It would be a matter of seconds before thousands of people retweeted the location, service provider, etc. for that IP address.

Weiner doesn't have to do a goddamn thing.

I won't disagree with that, goddamnit

201 Kragar  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:46:45pm

re: #199 darthstar

I'll be using that euphemism going forward.

Just don't order the bisque.

202 windsagio  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:47:50pm

re: #192 albusteve

Oh don't get me wrong, the whole weiner thing just kind of leaves me 'bleh' either way. I just wanted to complain about those desktop plugin things. It could just as well have been weatherbug ;)

203 Digital Display  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:51:44pm

re: #184 albusteve

The Congressman is smart...Right now he controls all the investigation information and how it will be released.
I knew little of this man before the last week..But I've read and seen alot since then...I've come to respect him, I like him..He is pretty cool and really sharp...
I'd probably vote for him if I lived in NY. In fact I demand we get to see all of our politicians in their underwear..( or if somebody like Megan Fox runs we get to download their nude pics... I'm an American..It's my right )

204 Kragar  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:52:13pm

Palin quote of the day:

“In my opinion, any mandate coming from government is not a good thing"

Like mandating rape victims to get ultrasounds they don't want or mandating the DoD buys engines they don't need?

205 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:52:37pm

Can't wait to see how the right wing blogosphere will attack me for this post. Should be a hoot.

206 Interesting Times  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:53:33pm

re: #187 windsagio

I don't know why people use things like tweetdeck.

I haven't tried Tweetdeck yet, but according to Charles, it has a global filter function that lets you block obnoxious stalker/troll types so you never see anything from them ever again. I don't think Twitter alone offers an equivalent function (only the ability to block people from following you)

207 albusteve  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:54:25pm

re: #203 HoosierHoops

The Congressman is smart...Right now he controls all the investigation information and how it will be released.
I knew little of this man before the last week..But I've read and seen alot since then...I've come to respect him, I like him..He is pretty cool and really sharp...
I'd probably vote for him if I lived in NY. In fact I demand we get to see all of our politicians in their underwear..( or if somebody like Megan Fox runs we get to download their nude pics... I'm an American..It's my right )

I didn't know there was an investigation

208 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:55:08pm

re: #204 kragar (proud to be kafir)

Palin quote of the day:

Like mandating rape victims to get ultrasounds they don't want or mandating the DoD buys engines they don't need?

"Hey, we're just against what the Feds do! If red state loonies decide to treat pregnant women like walking incubators, that's okay, because it falls under 'small government'!"

//

209 Digital Display  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:55:22pm

re: #207 albusteve

I didn't know there was an investigation

He hired an Internet security firm almost immediately

210 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:55:40pm

Wow... more than 3000 retweets!

And more than 7000 online.

211 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:57:38pm

re: #206 publicityStunted

I haven't tried Tweetdeck yet, but according to Charles, it has a global filter function that lets you block obnoxious stalker/troll types so you never see anything from them ever again. I don't think Twitter alone offers an equivalent function (only the ability to block people from following you)

Yes, the Global Filter feature is absolutely terrific.

It also lets you see as many Twitter streams as you like, all on one page but separated into columns.

It might be the only Adobe AIR application worth running.

212 albusteve  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 1:59:06pm

re: #209 HoosierHoops

He hired an Internet security firm almost immediately

certainly a horse of a different color than the police....could be he's paying for protection...nah, nobody would do that

213 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:08:00pm

re: #210 Charles

Wow... more than 3000 retweets!

And more than 7000 online.

Is registration open? If so, people! Sign in, share your knowledge & opinion. Bottom line: we debate with an ever present fact check.

214 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:08:49pm

Is it hamster wheels? Well I had two going at once.

215 Kragar  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:11:44pm

CERN Scientists Trap Antimatter for Almost 17 Minutes

But CERN scientists have now been able to isolate unstable antimatter for a grand total of nearly 17 minutes. That's a far cry from experiments performed last fall, when scientists were only able to record the presence of antimatter for fractions of seconds. The increased longevity should now give researchers the time they need to perform studies on antiatoms related to change-parity-time reversal (CPT) symmetry.

216 windsagio  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:12:46pm

re: #215 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It's scary how fast things advance these days.

217 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:13:24pm

Did the world come to sudden crash for anybody else?

218 AK-47%  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:13:26pm

can we power a car with it? or use it to turn back time so oil is $10 per barrel?

219 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:17:27pm

re: #203 HoosierHoops

I knew little of this man before the last week.

how.... how is this possible?

Whether you agree with his policy positions or not, that performance is worthy of some kind of award for lulzy greatness.

If I were the guy in charge of The Actors' Studio, that would be a point of study. Find me an actor who could pull that off *without looking like a parody*.

220 albusteve  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:17:46pm

re: #218 ralphieboy

can we power a car with it? or use it to turn back time so oil is $10 per barrel?

maybe it will help lead to the understanding of the antiGOP

221 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:18:46pm

Hey Charles:

Why does this URL not result in an embedded video like all the other YouTube URLs?

Doesn't really matter; I'm just curious for technical reasons.

222 abolitionist  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:19:28pm

re: #215 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Not your typo, but that's charge-parity-time reversal (CPT) symmetry.

223 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:19:43pm

re: #221 negativ

what sorcery is this?!

221 has the same link as 219

was gebt?

224 windsagio  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:20:47pm

re: #223 negativ

I noticed it too, it breaks if you do a link AFTER the youtube imbed.

At least for me.

225 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:21:54pm

re: #219 negativ

how... how is this possible?

Whether you agree with his policy positions or not, that performance is worthy of some kind of award for lulzy greatness.

If I were the guy in charge of The Actors' Studio, that would be a point of study. Find me an actor who could pull that off *without looking like a parody*.

EPIC EPIC EPIC EPIC

For the 9/11 1st responders bill that those assholes voted down.

226 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:22:27pm

whew. I had to re-boot twice to get back in here. Did anyone else have a problem?

227 windsagio  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:22:49pm

re: #224 windsagio

hmm

except it works now, lol

228 windsagio  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:23:57pm

re: #227 windsagio

or not!

ok, so if you have

text>embed>text>link>text it definitely doesn't work.

229 Interesting Times  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:23:57pm

re: #215 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

CERN Scientists Trap Antimatter for Almost 17 Minutes

re: #217 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Did the world come to sudden crash for anybody else?

re: #226 PhillyPretzel

whew. I had to re-boot twice to get back in here. Did anyone else have a problem?

Hmmm...coincidence? ;)

230 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:24:03pm

re: #215 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

CERN Scientists Trap Antimatter for Almost 17 Minutes

2 ounces of antimatter = 40 kilotons of tnt.

231 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:24:20pm

re: #226 PhillyPretzel

whew. I had to re-boot twice to get back in here. Did anyone else have a problem?

Yep. Traffic is huge!

232 elizajane  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:25:18pm

re: #210 Charles

Wow... more than 3000 retweets!

And more than 7000 online.

And over 34,000 page views! Do you think all those people are reading our comments?? (Blushes, looks shy and modest)

233 abolitionist  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:26:09pm

re: #221 negativ

Hey Charles:

Why does this URL not result in an embedded video like all the other YouTube URLs?

[Video]Doesn't really matter; I'm just curious for technical reasons.

That's an awesome speech you linked.

234 Spocomptonite  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:28:08pm

re: #219 negativ

how... how is this possible?

Whether you agree with his policy positions or not, that performance is worthy of some kind of award for lulzy greatness.

If I were the guy in charge of The Actors' Studio, that would be a point of study. Find me an actor who could pull that off *without looking like a parody*.

THE GENTLEMAN IS CORRECT IN SITTING DOWN

I feel like it would be a hit single if autotuned. Or done with Samuel L Jackson and f-bombs.

235 freetoken  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:28:15pm

re: #210 Charles

And more than 7000 online.

Hmmm... I wonder what would happen if the registration gates were open? Would Palin-bots flood in?

236 BongCrodny  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:29:25pm

re: #221 negativ

Hey Charles:

Why does this URL not result in an embedded video like all the other YouTube URLs?

[Video]Doesn't really matter; I'm just curious for technical reasons.


Jeez, you can't win.

Charles blocks the lame "Romneycare vs Liberty" Ron Paul ad, and the same damn thing pops up when playing the Weiner speech.

237 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:29:45pm

re: #235 freetoken
Do not go there. I do not want to go through the whole re-booting thing all over again.

238 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:30:25pm

Someone should edit the page to include the Beastie Boys version of events too then.

Now here's a little story I've got to tell
About three bad brothers you know so well
It started way back in history
With Adrock, M.C.A., and me - Mike D.
Been had a little horsy named Paul Revere
Just me and my horsy and a quart of beer
Riding across the land, kicking up sand
Sheriff's posse on my tail cause I'm in demand
One lonely Beastie I be
All by myself without nobody
The sun is beating down on my baseball hat
The air is gettin' hot the beer is getting flat
Lookin' for a girl I ran into a guy
His name is M.C.A., I said, "Howdy" he said, "Hi"

239 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:31:33pm

re: #238 Conservative Moonbat

actually, I don't think those lyrics are right.

240 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:32:21pm

re: #239 Conservative Moonbat

actually, I don't think those lyrics are right.

Still funny.
:)

241 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:33:49pm

re: #234 Spocomptonite

THE GENTLEMAN IS CORRECT IN SITTING DOWN

I feel like it would be a hit single if autotuned. Or done with Samuel L Jackson and f-bombs.

There are lots of autotune versions, and I haven't yet seen one that doesn't suck. That doesn't mean a non-sucking one doesn't exist.

But here's one put together by someone who at least has an ear for rhythm.

242 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:34:19pm

re: #235 freetoken

Hmmm... I wonder what would happen if the registration gates were open? Would Palin-bots flood in?

Bring em on! They won't let you debate on their blogs. I've been banned from all of em, any one of them that's been in front of me.

243 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:35:58pm

re: #241 negativ

There are lots of autotune versions, and I haven't yet seen one that doesn't suck. That doesn't mean a non-sucking one doesn't exist.

But here's one put together by someone who at least has an ear for rhythm.

[Video]

HAHAHAHA

244 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:37:10pm

This is the top story on memeorandum right now.

245 God of Binders with Women  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:37:25pm

re: #231 Stanley Sea

Yep. Traffic is huge!

I was wondering what was going on. It took forever to download pages.

246 Spocomptonite  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:38:15pm

re: #241 negativ

AWESOME thank you. CSPAN is the new MTV.

247 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:38:36pm

re: #245 Kid A

I was wondering what was going on. It took forever to download pages.

Almost 6,500 people viewing LGF right now.

248 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:39:08pm

re: #247 Killgore Trout

Almost 6,500 people viewing LGF right now.

All socks.
/

249 albusteve  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:39:56pm

re: #247 Killgore Trout

Almost 6,500 people viewing LGF right now.

probably a cyber flashmob outside the gate

250 God of Binders with Women  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:39:58pm

re: #235 freetoken

Hmmm... I wonder what would happen if the registration gates were open? Would Palin-bots flood in?

Shhh! Mama Grizzly sent us here to spy on you commie, Unreal Americans who want to bring Amerika to her knees with Obamacare.

251 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:40:05pm

eclecticbrotha eclecticbrotha

Listen my children and you shall hear what the fuck I meant about Paul Revere @SarahPalinUSA #tcot

252 jaunte  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:40:43pm

re: #247 Killgore Trout

Almost 6,500 people viewing LGF right now.

They're being awfully quiet about it.

253 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:40:46pm

re: #248 Varek Raith
LOL.

254 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:40:54pm

re: #246 Spocomptonite

AWESOME thank you. CSPAN is the new MTV.

LOL. CSPAN is better than the Jersey Shore, no doubt!

255 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:41:32pm

re: #247 Killgore Trout

Almost 6,500 people viewing LGF right now.

It was over 8000 for a couple of minutes.

256 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:42:52pm

re: #255 Charles

It was over 8000 for a couple of minutes.

Let us know if it gets over 9000.

/nerd moment

257 andres  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:43:19pm

re: #210 Charles

Gratz!

258 God of Binders with Women  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:43:26pm

Why does Sarah Palin hate American history?

259 AK-47%  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:44:54pm

re: #258 Kid A

Why does Sarah Palin hate American history?

That was British history she was messing up...

260 jaunte  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:45:44pm

JamesUrbaniak tweets

As Palin supporters will tell you, not only did Paul Revere warn the British but he was strongly in favor of offshore drilling.
261 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:45:45pm

re: #259 ralphieboy

That was British history she was messing up...

We so kicked there asses at Thermopylae.

262 God of Binders with Women  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:45:52pm

Man, the half-govna's Facebook page is a total lol magnet. This one made me spit up my drink:

Jill Johnson
Great interview with Chris Wallace today, Gov. Palin!

263 God of Binders with Women  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:47:59pm

Debbie Walker
Sarah, its working...so many people are learning about Paul Revere's ride because they want to prove you wrong. I just tell them to Read Paul Revere's deposition, fair copy, circa 1775. Of course there are the useless idiots out there that won't look it up. BTW, great interview this morning with Chris Wallace. You actually got him to think of you as a serious contender today.

264 elizajane  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:48:40pm

re: #190 Charles

Oh man. I think I might have to buy one of those life-size Sarah Palin cardboard cutouts.

The makers of these life-size cut-outs seem to have a Republican bias. They make the more conservative cut-outs taller. Sarah Palin, estimated by most websites to be 5' 5", is 5' 9" in her cut-out. Mitt Romney is a 6' 5" cut-out, about 2 inches taller than his actual height, making him the only cardboard person taller than the cut-out Abraham Lincoln.

Hilary Clinton, on the other hand, is half an inch shorter in cardboard than in real life. Barack Obama is half an inch larger in cardboard, proving that he really is a Centrist.

No, really, I have nothing better to do with my life than study the size of cardboard politicians.

[Link: www.cardboard-standups.com...]

265 Desert Fox  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:48:43pm

re: #230 Varek Raith

2 ounces of antimatter = 40 kilotons of tnt.

2 grams of antimatter = ~40 KT of TNT.
2 ounces of antimatter = 1.2 MT of TNT

Source: CERN

266 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:48:51pm

Thinkers v. Worshipers

That's all it is. Pray for America.

267 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:49:34pm

re: #265 Desert Fox

2 grams of antimatter = ~40 KT of TNT.
2 ounces of antimatter = 1.2 MT of TNT

Source: CERN

Oh my.
No wonder that experiment went awry.

269 AK-47%  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:50:29pm

re: #261 Varek Raith

We so kicked there asses at Thermopylae.

Was that before of after we had the CIA oust Xerxes?

270 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:51:23pm

re: #267 Varek Raith

Oh my.
No wonder that experiment went awry.

And thanks for the correction.
:)

271 God of Binders with Women  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:51:53pm

re: #266 Stanley Sea

Thinkers v. Worshipers

That's all it is. Pray for America.

The wingnut fascination with Mama Grizzly proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that God has a great sense of humor.

272 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:52:09pm

re: #268 Varek Raith

Buchanan: Evangelicals Would Support "Romney, Who's A Mormon" Over "Barack Hussein Obama, Who's An African American Of The Left"

Heh, he's not even candidate yet and already excuses are being drawn up for why supporting a Mormon is okay this time around.

273 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:52:09pm

re: #269 ralphieboy

Was that before of after we had the CIA oust Xerxes?

Herodotus was a liberal.

274 Desert Fox  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:52:19pm

re: #193 kragar (proud to be kafir)

Sarah once said she can see Russia from her house.

FALSE.

275 AK-47%  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:52:32pm

re: #268 Varek Raith

Buchanan: Evangelicals Would Support "Romney, Who's A Mormon" Over "Barack Hussein Obama, Who's An African American Of The Left"


Best comment on the page was "American bible thumpers are more devoted to racism than the New Testament."

276 windsagio  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:52:43pm
277 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:52:46pm

re: #235 freetoken

Hmmm... I wonder what would happen if the registration gates were open? Would Palin-bots flood in?

Apparently, they come in and derp tee herp with great vigor, and are TRAGICALLY and unceremoniously banned before I manage to see them.

Believe it or not, I really would enjoy having more abject lunatics than are currently found here. Some token teatards and a contingent of people who think Jonathan Krohn is Socrates.

278 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:53:09pm

re: #256 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Let us know if it gets over 9000.

/nerd moment

that happened last Thursday.

279 albusteve  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:53:26pm

re: #271 Kid A

The wingnut fascination with Mama Grizzly proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that God has a great sense of humor.

fascination?...and you are surfing Facebook looking for one liners?....
ha!...now that's funny

280 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:54:13pm

re: #274 Desert Fox

FALSE.

But funny! Here's the real deal.

"They're our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska":

Say with sing-song voice noting Alaaassska

281 windsagio  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:55:06pm

Seriously. I'd love to see them distance themselves from Buchanan, but he just puts it out there. The same forces that shape southern evangelicals form southern racists.

282 AK-47%  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:55:40pm

re: #280 Stanley Sea

But funny! Here's the real deal.

"They're our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska":

Say with sing-song voice noting Alaaassska

Even more so as this was offered as an example of her competence in dealing with foreign affiars...

283 jaunte  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:57:09pm

re: #282 ralphieboy

Living in a state that overlooks the territory of a neighboring country is the low bar that she could clear.

284 Kronocide  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:58:00pm

'You can actually see that country from here'

=

'I have black friends'

285 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:58:19pm

re: #268 Varek Raith

Buchanan: Evangelicals Would Support "Romney, Who's A Mormon" Over "Barack Hussein Obama, Who's An African American Of The Left"

That's nuts. I can't tell if he just totally dropped his own mask, or is blatantly asserting Evangelicals are racist.

286 Desert Fox  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:59:10pm

re: #267 Varek Raith

Oh my.
No wonder that experiment went awry.

Sort of really happened back in the 50's.   Castle Bravo was the first test of new type a H-bomb.   They expected 5MT.   They got 15 MT.

Oopsie.

287 abolitionist  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:59:15pm

Hint to newbies: Hitting the New Comments(n) button (which is just below the last comment showing) will quickly and efficiently display the n new comments, without having to refresh the whole page.

288 AK-47%  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 2:59:31pm

re: #285 Obdicut

That's nuts. I can't tell if he just totally dropped his own mask, or is blatantly asserting Evangelicals are racist.


Dare I ask if there are black Evangelicals out there anywhere? Or all they all Jeremiah Wright acolytes?

289 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:00:48pm

Note to Palin fans just because you edit wiki doesn't change history. Palin fans are such dolts.

290 albusteve  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:01:16pm

re: #285 Obdicut

That's nuts. I can't tell if he just totally dropped his own mask, or is blatantly asserting Evangelicals are racist.

the latter...one could say it's a refreshingly honest statement, even tho it's only his opinion...the man should be put in chains

291 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:01:21pm

re: #289 HappyWarrior

Note to Palin fans just because you edit wiki doesn't change history. Palin fans are such dolts.

I just rewrote the gravity page.
BE FREE!!!
Or not.

292 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:01:25pm

re: #288 ralphieboy

Dare I ask if there are black Evangelicals out there anywhere? Or all they all Jeremiah Wright acolytes?

Depends on what you count as evangelicals, I guess. I mean, there's a strong black baptist church.

There's also this:

[Link: www.christianpost.com...]

293 ElCapitanAmerica  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:02:26pm

re: #288 ralphieboy

Dare I ask if there are black Evangelicals out there anywhere? Or all they all Jeremiah Wright acolytes?

There's a lot of African American Evangelicals and fundamentalists (Christians) of various denominations

294 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:02:59pm

re: #280 Stanley Sea

But funny! Here's the real deal.

"They're our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska":

Say with sing-song voice noting Alaaassska

Sarah Palin, jazz scat singer

295 AK-47%  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:03:34pm

re: #293 ElCapitanAmerica

There's a lot of African American Evangelicals and fundamentalists (Christians) of various denominations


I figured as much, I find it odd for Robertson to assume that Evangelicals are white and racist.

296 albusteve  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:05:52pm

re: #295 ralphieboy

I figured as much, I find it odd for Robertson to assume that Evangelicals are white and racist.

I have a feeling people like Robertson and Buchanan are speaking entirely for themselves...how the hell would they know what others are thinking?....they make shit up just like everybody else...do they ever cite polls or other sources for their spew?

297 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:05:58pm

re: #294 negativ

Sarah Palin, jazz scat singer

[Video]

OMG, killing me. That pianist is brilliant.

298 RadicalModerate  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:05:59pm

Well, it appears that "Uncle Ron" is on the outs from with the Texas GOP, at least from the new gerrymandering they've done in relation to Congressional districts.

Updated: Senate Panel Approves Map


State GOP leaders are pressing for quick action on a new congressional map that would transform the district of Tea Party godfather Ron Paul while getting rid of an unusual "horseshoe" or "shrimp" district that had sparked complaints in East Texas.

The plan could be voted out of a committee as soon as today.

Paul, a 2008 and 2012 Republican presidential hopeful, would pick up about 300,000 new voters in the map that the Texas Senate Redistricting Committee is going to consider. It could expose Paul to a spirited primary challenge while placing him in a district with more ethnic minorities and union members.

Of course, the vast majority of districts are being drawn up along ethnic lines in an attempt to minimize representation by minorities.

Texas is getting four new congressional seats, far more than any other state. Despite huge Latino growth in North Texas, there is no new Latino seat proposed for North Texas as many had predicted. Meanwhile, the map would split Travis County into five districts, turning the seat currently held by liberal Democratic U.S. Rep. Lloyd Doggett into a heavily Republican seat stretching into the Hill Country.

299 jaunte  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:06:17pm

re: #294 negativ

Chunks of bromide, tumbled out like a string of derailed freight cars.

300 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:08:04pm

re: #295 ralphieboy

I figured as much, I find it odd for Robertson to assume that Evangelicals are white and racist.

Buchanan, you mean, right? I think it's just his racism; he doesn't think of black people as ever being in the same groups as white people.

301 BongCrodny  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:09:26pm

A bit off topic, but still quite interesting:

Boston Globe

Support for the Massachusetts universal health care law has increased since 2009, according to a poll of the state’s residents — even as the law has become the subject of blistering attacks in national and presidential politics, and health care costs soar.

The poll by the Harvard School of Public Health and The Boston Globe found that 63 percent of Massachusetts residents support the 2006 health law, up 10 percentage points in the past two years. Just 21 percent said they were against the law.


Poor Mitt. He has to downplay "Romneycare" in order to tame the beast appease the party faithful and it might be the most popular and successful program to come from his governorship.

302 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:10:05pm

It seems no-one's gotten around to editing Conservapedia. Below is the current entry on Paul Revere, unchanged from Google's 5/30 cache of the same page.

Paul Revere (1734-1818) was a silversmith in colonial America who was very active in Boston-area revolutionary groups such as the Sons of Liberty. He is famous for riding from Boston to Lexington, Massachusetts with William Dawes on the night of April 18, 1775 to warn the minutemen that British troops led by General Thomas Gage were invading. Revere was captured before he could reach Concord, but managed to escape. His midnight ride was immortalized by a poem by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow.[1]

303 RadicalModerate  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:11:12pm

re: #302 C1nnabar

It seems no-one's gotten around to editing Conservapedia. Below is the current entry on Paul Revere, unchanged from Google's 5/30 cache of the same page.

The page has been unreachable today, at least as of an hour or so ago. That may be why the edits haven't come.

304 zora  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:11:22pm

A Vote for Romney Is a Vote for the LDS Church

One evangelical explains why he cannot support Mitt Romney for President.

[Link: www.patheos.com...]

seems that this line of thinking is one of the more polite rejections of romney based on his mormonism. there are several sites that say a vote for romney is a vote for satan. most evangelicals (black and white) think of mormonism as a cult. so die-hard evangelicals will never vote for romney. they will stay home or vote for a 3rd party candidate, imo.

305 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:11:46pm
306 albusteve  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:12:02pm

Congressman Steve Chabot just introduced a resolution in the House of Representatives that calls on America to stop giving money to the United Nations “if the General Assembly adopts a resolution in favor of recognizing a state of Palestine outside of or prior to a final status agreement negotiated between, and acceptable to, the State of Israel and the Palestinians.”

hardball!....the irony is overwhelming

[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]

307 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:12:16pm

re: #302 C1nnabar

Heh. And even that leaves out the most important part of the ride-- warning Hancock and Adams.

309 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:14:01pm

re: #303 RadicalModerate

Could be, but I got there half an hour or so ago, and I just reloaded -- same deal.

310 abolitionist  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:14:41pm

re: #307 Obdicut

Heh. And even that leaves out the most important part of the ride-- warning Hancock and Adams.

There may have been some delegation in that warning system? Ie, secondary communications links.

311 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:17:32pm

re: #310 abolitionist

Nah, he made it that far.

312 albusteve  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:17:43pm

the Palin Rolling Menace Tour spurns the MSM with regard to her itinerary, the bots go into hot pursuit, and when they catch up to her, she fawns on them, stroking their egos, gets a ton of braindead airtime...then the whole fuck session begins anew....Amidol politics
what a disgrace

313 albusteve  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:18:45pm

re: #308 Varek Raith

Planet Earth Doesn't Know How To Make It Any Clearer It Wants Everyone To Leave

and I talk to redwoods while the sea sings to me

314 AK-47%  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:21:11pm

re: #304 zora

A Vote for Romney Is a Vote for the LDS Church


[Link: www.patheos.com...]

The quote that sums up the fundamentalist view on Romney and why they cannot vote for him, even though the Mormon view on social issues is very close to fundamentalist Christianity:

"...you can't have it "both ways" when it comes to Romney's faith. You can't say that his religious beliefs don't matter, but his "values" do. The Christian worldview teaches that there is a short tether binding beliefs to the values and behaviors that flow from them. If the beliefs are false, then the behavior will eventually—but inevitably—be warped..."


We don't want to elect anyone with warped views now, do we?

"

seems that this line of thinking is one of the more polite rejections of romney based on his mormonism. there are several sites that say a vote for romney is a vote for satan. most evangelicals (black and white) think of mormonism as a cult. so die-hard evangelicals will never vote for romney. they will stay home or vote for a 3rd party candidate, imo.

315 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:23:32pm

re: #314 ralphieboy

Lol

So the author is at odds with Mitt's version of the Angry Sky god. And if we vote for Mitt, the REAL invisible big Sky god will be angry and toss down balls of righteous fire to punish us...

You both are horribly wrong and my even greater and more powerful God Oden, is going to punish you all.

Excuse me I have to go kill a virgin goat for the evening services.

316 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:23:37pm

Did somebody really try to use Palin as a source? Really?

Just for the record, historical sources are valid according to whether they are:

Contemporaneous. Stuff written down at the time it happened is usually more reliable, but not always, because there are also the questions of:

First-hand. If you saw it happen, you are a better source

Written. Stuff gets changed as it is passed person to person. "My grandmother told me" is not as good as "this is the letter my grandmother wrote at the time"

Unbiased. We all have biases, but not in all things. I could watch a pro sports game and report on the game fairly evenly, because I'm not a fan of any one team.

Really, all reliable sources of Paul Revere's ride are from that era, and Longfellow's poem, while a master work of Amerian literature, is not a historical source.

317 albusteve  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:24:18pm

re: #314 ralphieboy

sometimes Christianity is just a cigar...infighting across the political spectrum exposes them for the moral hypocrites they are

318 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:27:30pm

Conservapedia disagrees with Palin.

319 AK-47%  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:29:52pm

The deep-set Fundamentalist view is that America owes its exceptional status to its close relationship between worship and legislation. Electing a Mormon/Athies/Secret Muslim is toying with incurring God's wrath.

Same goes for allowing abortions, gay marriage, teenage sex education, etc...

And there is no debating on these issues, we are dealing with the Certainty of the True Faith.

320 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:30:39pm

re: #318 Conservative Moonbat

Conservapedia disagrees with Palin.

Hah!

I expect they'll be fixing that shortly to be in line with the new right wing version of history.

321 albusteve  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:31:05pm

re: #319 ralphieboy

The deep-set Fundamentalist view is that America owes its exceptional status to its close relationship between worship and legislation. Electing a Mormon/Athies/Secret Muslim is toying with incurring God's wrath.

Same goes for allowing abortions, gay marriage, teenage sex education, etc...

And there is no debating on these issues, we are dealing with the Certainty of the True Faith.

Christlam!

322 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:34:01pm

Charles, in the pages, could we have a category for Global Warming?
Please?

323 abolitionist  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:34:44pm

re: #321 albusteve

Christlam!

Chris-mecca! /apologies to OC

324 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:36:54pm

re: #319 ralphieboy

The deep-set Fundamentalist view is that America owes its exceptional status to its close relationship between worship and legislation. Electing a Mormon/Athies/Secret Muslim is toying with incurring God's wrath.

Same goes for allowing abortions, gay marriage, teenage sex education, etc...

And there is no debating on these issues, we are dealing with the Certainty of the True Faith.

Bring it on, Angry Sky Wizard!

325 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:37:00pm

re: #322 Floral Giraffe

Charles, in the pages, could we have a category for Global Warming?
Please?

No such thing.

The only cause of climate variation, and there is just one and it's natural, just makes the temperature go up and down like a Politician in a water bed.

326 zora  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:37:47pm

re: #319 ralphieboy

The deep-set Fundamentalist view is that America owes its exceptional status to its close relationship between worship and legislation. Electing a Mormon/Athies/Secret Muslim is toying with incurring God's wrath.

Same goes for allowing abortions, gay marriage, teenage sex education, etc...

And there is no debating on these issues, we are dealing with the Certainty of the True Faith.

# Mormons & Romney Presidency “Dangerous” According to Evangelical Author
# A Conversation with Warren Smith

This week, evangelical Christian author Warren Smith made waves with his essay “A Vote for Romney is a Vote for the LDS Church,” a candid and forthright exposition of evangelical Christian objections to the presidential campaigns of Mitt Romney and, by extension, Jon Huntsman. (The headline for Smith’s essay was modeled after evangelist Bill Keller’s famous 2008 campaign commentary that “A vote for Romney is a vote for Satan.”) Given historical tensions between Mormons and evangelical Christians in the United States, it set off strong reactions in LDS communities. Today, Smith graciously agreed to speak with me about the article and his views on the Romney campaign.

[Link: www.religiondispatches.org...]

327 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:39:34pm

re: #322 Floral Giraffe

Charles, in the pages, could we have a category for Global Warming?
Please?

We already have one. It's called "Science."

328 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:40:06pm

re: #299 jaunte

Chunks of bromide, tumbled out like a string of derailed freight cars.

That's quite a canvas you're presented.

329 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:40:44pm

re: #231 Stanley Sea

Yep. Traffic is huge!

We could fix that with a boob-pun thread.

330 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:41:49pm

Pam Geller waves two flags at Israel Day Parade in NY
[Link: atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...]

331 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:43:54pm

re: #330 Killgore Trout
Two flags yes. I do not like the flag between her legs. Tacky very tacky.

332 albusteve  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:44:06pm

air tankers have been flying over me off and on for a few days now...NE AZ has a very serious wildfire raging...I think they waylay here at Kirtland and pick retardant....a couple of years ago we could smell the smoke from the Sholow fires, hundreds of miles away...fire scares me to death out here...the AZ fire has burned almost 130k acres and is 0% contained

333 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:44:20pm

re: #329 Decatur Deb

We could fix that with a boob-pun thread.

Go for it. This thread needs to go tits up.

334 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:45:24pm

re: #331 PhillyPretzel

Two flags yes. I do not like the flag between her legs. Tacky very tacky.

She's just keeping it warm.

335 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:45:38pm

re: #333 b_sharp

Go for it. This thread needs to go tits up.

I'll let 'er go bust en halter.

336 albusteve  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:46:07pm

re: #333 b_sharp

Go for it. This thread needs to go tits up.

news is boring...I'm glad you finally admit it

337 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:46:26pm

re: #334 b_sharp
Is that what you are calling it? //

338 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:46:37pm

re: #335 Decatur Deb

I'll let 'er go bust en halter.

Make sure you bring your breast friends.

339 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:47:17pm

re: #330 Killgore Trout

Pam Geller waves two flags at Israel Day Parade in NY
[Link: atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...]

eww.

340 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:47:27pm

re: #336 albusteve

news is boring...I'm glad you finally admit it

I deny everything.

341 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:48:24pm

re: #327 Alouette

We already have one. It's called "Science."

OK, duh...

342 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:48:38pm

re: #338 b_sharp

Make sure you bring your breast friends.

Are these puns allowed when Amazon is paying?

343 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:50:09pm

re: #339 Alouette

eww.

Having an outright lunatic and hateful bigot like Pamela Geller as such a high-profile "friend of Israel" is doing a lot of damage to the Israeli PR effort.

344 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:51:48pm

re: #342 Decatur Deb

Are these puns allowed when Amazon is paying?

Ask these Amazon warriors.

345 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:53:25pm

re: #344 b_sharp

Ask these Amazon warriors.

For amazons, that's totally missing the point.

346 jvic  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:54:24pm

re: #319 ralphieboy

And there is no debating on these issues, we are dealing with the Certainty of the True Faith.

I have long believed that if the Religious Right ever takes over the country, its various "Christian" denominations will soon fly at each other's throats regarding which is the True Faith.

347 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:54:25pm

re: #345 Decatur Deb

For amazons, that's totally missing the point.

Explain.

348 Kronocide  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:55:23pm

There's some interesting debate going on at Palin's Wikipedia page regarding Revere as well.

The Wikipedian from the Revere pages edits is accused of being a 'left/lib.'

349 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:55:30pm

re: #346 jvic

I have long believed that if the Religious Right ever takes over the country, its various "Christian" denominations will soon fly at each other's throats regarding which is the True Faith.

Absolutely.
Hopefully, the "religious Right" will not ever gain that much control.

350 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:56:13pm

re: #347 b_sharp

Explain.

Free Dictionary:

Word History: In classical legend the Amazons were a tribe of warrior women. Their name is supposedly derived from Greek a-mazos, "without a breast," because according to the legend they cut off their right breasts so as to be better able to shoot with a bow and arrow. This fo...snip

351 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:57:40pm

re: #350 Decatur Deb

Free Dictionary:

Word History: In classical legend the Amazons were a tribe of warrior women. Their name is supposedly derived from Greek a-mazos, "without a breast," because according to the legend they cut off their right breasts so as to be better able to shoot with a bow and arrow. This fo...snip

Can't plastic surgery fix that?

352 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:57:51pm

re: #339 Alouette

eww.

If that were an American flag it would be very disrespectful. I'm not sure if the Israelis are the same about their flag as Americans are.

353 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:59:07pm

re: #350 Decatur Deb

I had a tennis coach that would have wanted me to do that.
Once, upon a time..

354 Kragar  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:59:14pm

re: #350 Decatur Deb

Free Dictionary:

Word History: In classical legend the Amazons were a tribe of warrior women. Their name is supposedly derived from Greek a-mazos, "without a breast," because according to the legend they cut off their right breasts so as to be better able to shoot with a bow and arrow. This fo...snip

None of those ladies were wielding a bow, and they were listed as Barbarians.

355 albusteve  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:59:34pm

re: #352 Killgore Trout

If that were an American flag it would be very disrespectful. I'm not sure if the Israelis are the same about their flag as Americans are.

leave it to Geller to use a flag pole as a dildo....she has no conviction toward Israel, it's a tool to beat over Islams head

356 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:59:40pm

re: #351 b_sharp

Can't plastic surgery fix that?

Then they'd be 'neo-mazons'. Took 6 years of Greek and Latin so I could explain boob jokes on the inter-tubes.

357 jaunte  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 3:59:44pm

re: #354 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

None of those ladies were wielding a bow, and they were listed as Barbarians.

Bearded ladies?

358 jaunte  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:04:45pm

Tarkloon just put up a beautiful video of Manhattan:
[Link: networkedblogs.com...]

359 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:04:50pm

re: #5 Obdicut

Luckily, if they press too hard the page will just wind up locked. Wiki is pretty good at resisting bullshit like this.

Then the Palins fans will do the Butthurt Fandango and whine and seethe about how "tyrannical" the staff of Wikipedia is being. They'll be declared "in the tank for Obama" and David Schafley's joke called "Conservapedia" will be promoted as an alternative.

360 Kragar  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:05:07pm

Bachmann Pushes for Anti-Marriage Equality Amendments

Speaking Friday at the Faith and Freedom Coalition Conference in Washington, D.C., Rep. Bachmann commended the Minnesota state legislature's recent move to allow voters to decide on a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage in 2012 — and encouraged other states to follow suit.

"This is the time," Bachmann said of anti-marriage equality amendments. "And so I want to encourage all of you at home, if you don’t have a similar amendment, consider this in your home states. I believe this is the time to do it."

361 Lidane  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:08:39pm

re: #360 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bachmann Pushes for Anti-Marriage Equality Amendments

I have yet to hear a single valid argument against gay marriage.

Also, I believe it's long past time for people to get the hell over it already. GLBT people exist. They're not going anywhere. They should have the same rights as straight people. It's that simple.

362 Kragar  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:10:16pm

re: #361 Lidane

I have yet to hear a single valid argument against gay marriage.

Also, I believe it's long past time for people to get the hell over it already. GLBT people exist. They're not going anywhere. They should have the same rights as straight people. It's that simple.

Their entire argument is "THE BIBLE!", and they don't argue so much as beat people over the head with it.

363 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:12:02pm

re: #362 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Their entire argument is "THE BIBLE!", and they don't argue so much as beat people over the head with it.

That's an awful mushy argument in today's cultural reality.

364 Kragar  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:12:57pm

re: #363 b_sharp

That's an awful mushy argument in today's cultural reality.

Which probably explains why they're so desperate to roll back the calendar a few generations.

365 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:13:32pm

re: #326 zora

# Mormons & Romney Presidency “Dangerous” According to Evangelical Author
# A Conversation with Warren Smith

[Link: www.religiondispatches.org...]

Well it looks like they are spreading the word. Was it this bad last time he ran?

366 abolitionist  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:13:46pm

re: #362 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Their entire argument is "THE BIBLE!", and they don't argue so much as beat people over the head with it.

Do you solemnly swear to the truth... oh, wait. That's Exhibit A. Sorry.

367 Lidane  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:15:57pm

re: #364 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Which probably explains why they're so desperate to roll back the calendar a few generations centuries.

FTFY

368 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:16:05pm

re: #365 Stanley Sea

Well it looks like they are spreading the word. Was it this bad last time he ran?

Short answer: No, it wasn't. But the Fundies weren't this worked up last time. The good news is that if Romney wins the nomination some the worst of them are liable to flounce from the GOP in response. This is good because they and their followers would then cease to poison the party from within.

369 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:16:49pm

re: #361 Lidane

I have yet to hear a single valid argument against gay marriage.

Also, I believe it's long past time for people to get the hell over it already. GLBT people exist. They're not going anywhere. They should have the same rights as straight people. It's that simple.

Ya'll give them gay folk rights and it's justa matter of time until someone wants to marry their horse. No reason for that. They can just go steady like me and my horse do.

370 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:17:31pm

Someone just emailed and asked me if Anthony Weiner ends up being guilty of sending that dick pic, will I apologize?

Not a freaking chance. I'll never apologize for calling it like I see it. If he sent the picture, I'll certainly post that news, and I'll note that I'm surprised and disappointed, but I'm not apologizing to anybody.

371 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:17:37pm

re: #367 Lidane

FTFY

Hello geocentrism.

372 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:18:14pm

re: #365 Stanley Sea

Well it looks like they are spreading the word. Was it this bad last time he ran?

I don't think he was in the campaign long enough, but it played a role in why he lost Iowa. He knows not to bother this time, but my guess is the longer he goes the more there will be. The question is, what happens if he wins the nomination. The Christianists will have three choices, vote for a Mormon, vote for "secret Muslim" or stay home.

373 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:18:23pm

P.S. I still don't think Weiner did it.

374 Lidane  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:18:40pm

re: #365 Stanley Sea

Well it looks like they are spreading the word. Was it this bad last time he ran?

My guess is that it's worse now because the GOP nominee has to run against the Seekrit Nazi Commie Mooslim Overlord. The 2012 election is a jihad crusade against tyranny, don'tcha know. They can't run a Mormon. They're not sufficiently Christian according to the evangelical types.

375 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:19:06pm

re: #370 Charles

Someone just emailed and asked me if Anthony Weiner ends up being guilty of sending that dick pic, will I apologize?

Not a freaking chance. I'll never apologize for calling it like I see it. If he sent the picture, I'll certainly post that news, and I'll note that I'm surprised and disappointed, but I'm not apologizing to anybody.

Admitting error is not the same as apologizing.

376 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:20:02pm

re: #368 Dark_Falcon

Short answer: No, it wasn't. But the Fundies weren't this worked up last time. The good news is that if Romney wins the nomination some the worst of them are liable to flounce from the GOP in response. This is good because they and their followers would then cease to poison the party from within.

Yeah, but don't the fundies make up a huge percent of the party? Keeping them in the fold is about electoral, albeit short term, political survival. Who would they be replaced with in the near term?

377 albusteve  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:20:14pm

re: #375 b_sharp

Admitting error is not the same as apologizing.

Charles has made no error...the question is moronic

378 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:21:10pm

re: #368 Dark_Falcon

Short answer: No, it wasn't. But the Fundies weren't this worked up last time. The good news is that if Romney wins the nomination some the worst of them are liable to flounce from the GOP in response. This is good because they and their followers would then cease to poison the party from within.

Thanks DF. I didn't think so.

And SarahTrump 3rd partay cometh.

popcorn.

379 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:21:32pm

re: #375 b_sharp

Admitting error is not the same as apologizing.

Because being wrong is not the same as giving offense.

380 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:23:45pm

re: #376 moderatelyradicalliberal

Yeah, but don't the fundies make up a huge percent of the party? Keeping them in the fold is about electoral, albeit short term, political survival. Who would they be replaced with in the near term?

There's the completely untapped group of 'woo woos' out there. Live foods, living water, homeopathy, crystals, pyramids, almost anything naturopathic.

381 Only The Lurker Knows  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:25:27pm

re: #380 b_sharp

There's the completely untapped group of 'woo woos' out there. Live foods, living water, homeopathy, crystals, pyramids, almost anything naturopathic.

I thought those belonged to the Left.

382 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:26:15pm

re: #378 Stanley Sea

Popcorn with butter!

383 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:27:02pm

re: #295 ralphieboy

I figured as much, I find it odd for Robertson to assume that Evangelicals are white and racist.

I don't. At least not the white part. I've always read "Evangelicals" to mean white socially conservative Christians as a voting block. At least when used in political terms.

384 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:27:07pm

Heat (LaBla James) or Cavs (Dirk NoRingski) ???

385 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:27:17pm

re: #381 Bubblehead II

I thought those belonged to the Left.

Nope, they're spread through the entire spectrum. Even FR has it's share.

Besides, how hard would it be to convince them of,... just about anything?

386 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:27:56pm

re: #368 Dark_Falcon

Short answer: No, it wasn't. But the Fundies weren't this worked up last time. The good news is that if Romney wins the nomination some the worst of them are liable to flounce from the GOP in response. This is good because they and their followers would then cease to poison the party from within.

The other perspective, is, if he runs & Sarah splits, the Democrats have a home run. Easily won race.

387 jvic  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:28:42pm

re: #375 b_sharp

Admitting error is not the same as apologizing.

Once upon a time, one of John Maynard Keynes' critics gibed at him that one of Keynes' predictions had not worked out.

Keynes responded, "When events do not confirm my views, I adjust my views accordingly. What do you do?"

(No hyperlink: I read this anecdote before the intertubes were welded together.)

388 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:28:55pm

re: #384 Stanley Sea

Heat.
Betcha a beer?

389 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:29:33pm

re: #387 jvic

Once upon a time, one of John Maynard Keynes' critics gibed at him that one of Keynes' predictions had not worked out.

Keynes responded, "When events do not confirm my views, I adjust my views accordingly. What do you do?"

(No hyperlink: I read this anecdote before the intertubes were welded together.)

Makes sense to me.

390 Only The Lurker Knows  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:29:52pm

re: #385 b_sharp

This is true. Anybody that believes a piece of crystal or wood has "healing" properties would probably but into just about anything.

391 ArchangelMichael  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:30:53pm

re: #373 Charles

P.S. I still don't think Weiner did it.

I don't think it's Weiner's wiener either.

392 Only The Lurker Knows  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:31:15pm

re: #390 Bubblehead II

This is true. Anybody that believes a piece of crystal or wood has "healing" properties would probably but buy into just about anything.

393 Kragar  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:31:28pm

The GOP’s “How To Manipulate A Nation Like the Third Reich” Handbook

One of Bachmann’s go to guys is Bradlee “Fred Phelps is my hero” Dean, the man responsible for the “You Can Run But You Can’t Hide” anti-gay ministry. Right now Dean is using young members of his organization to go in the community and ask unknowing citizens for donations to assist in suicide prevention. People think this is a great cause and don’t mind giving a few bucks, not realizing they are helping fund an anti-gay hate group. This guy is bad enough that even Wal-Mart no longer wants him gracing their parking lots with his hate agenda. Bachmann however, fully supports Dean’s dangerous ministry. After he did the now notorious opening prayer on the Minnesota Legislature floor, there were complaints from all over the state. Pathetically, Michelle feels that Dean is an upstanding citizen, so much so, in fact, that not only does she contribute funds to his campaign of hate, she also offered some kind words to those that oppose him and his beliefs. She said, “This ministry ‘You Can Run But You Can’t Hide,’ they are not sidetracked, they are on course. They’re way on course, because they get it. They get what this is all about.” ……Wait a minute, hold that thought.

Bradlee Dean is the “Christian” that believes homosexuality should be punishable by death in this country. A year ago Dean said the following “Muslims are calling for the executions of homosexuals in America,” Dean said on YCR’s May 15 radio show on AM 1280 the Patriot. “This just shows you they themselves are upholding the laws that are even in the Bible of the Judeo-Christian God, but they seem to be more moral than even the American Christians do, because these people are livid about enforcing their laws. They know homosexuality is an abomination.” This is when I began to think about other things that Bachmann and her “Christian” extremists have done and said , after all, I am a lesbian in Minnesota. The big picture does not look pretty, in fact it looks down right disturbing .

394 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:32:46pm

re: #376 moderatelyradicalliberal

Yeah, but don't the fundies make up a huge percent of the party? Keeping them in the fold is about electoral, albeit short term, political survival. Who would they be replaced with in the near term?

Not all of them, or even most of them would flounce. Many SoCons would seethe but still understand that Romney is better from their perspective than Obama. Thus they'd stay in the fold. The ones that wouldn't? The Republican party is better off without them.

396 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:34:05pm

re: #388 Floral Giraffe

Heat.
Betcha a beer?

You are on! (when is the air show?)

397 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:34:41pm

re: #395 Stanley Sea
skeeters are bad news.

398 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:34:47pm

re: #381 Bubblehead II

I thought those belonged to the Left.

Falls both ways. The Laetrile cancer cure seemed to be biggest on the Right, as well as the anti-flouridation bit. JBS was a pusher.

399 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:36:03pm

re: #393 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Obama re-election campaign has it made. But what fears me is they will hold back, being the intellectual grown up in the group.

They just need to post clips of these idjits. Over and over.

400 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:36:22pm

I just set up a twitter account. Not sure how to use it yet, but I'll do that tomorrow. And checking my profile I noticed I am 3 points from 21K for karma. Just sayin'.
/WHORE!!!!

401 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:37:12pm

re: #397 PhillyPretzel

skeeters are bad news.

That thoroughly creeped me out. I visited @ end of Sept. No mosquito's, it was cold, but that was fine!

402 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:37:43pm

re: #390 Bubblehead II

This is true. Anybody that believes a piece of crystal or wood has "healing" properties would probably but into just about anything.

Worked with a woman who sent her kid to school with a crystal in his pocket, to improve his performance. That didn't bother me. The fact that she was an aeronautical engineer bothered me.

403 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:38:10pm

re: #400 Cannadian Club Akbar

I just set up a twitter account. Not sure how to use it yet, but I'll do that tomorrow. And checking my profile I noticed I am 3 points from 21K for karma. Just sayin'.
/WHORE!!!

Same nic as here?

404 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:38:20pm

re: #400 Cannadian Club Akbar

I just set up a twitter account. Not sure how to use it yet, but I'll do that tomorrow. And checking my profile I noticed I am 3 points from 21K for karma. Just sayin'.
/WHORE!!!

Happy to help.

405 albusteve  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:38:45pm

re: #399 Stanley Sea

The Obama re-election campaign has it made. But what fears me is they will hold back, being the intellectual grown up in the group.

They just need to post clips of these idjits. Over and over.

I don't think an election can be won using youtube clips....you may be in for one hell of a surprise

406 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:38:48pm

re: #402 Decatur Deb

Worked with a woman who sent her kid to school with a crystal in his pocket, to improve his performance. That didn't bother me. The fact that she was an aeronautical engineer bothered me.

Maybe she had the pilots hang crystals in the window. Ya know, the ones that blind you.
/

407 Interesting Times  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:38:59pm

re: #399 Stanley Sea

The Obama re-election campaign has it made. But what fears me is they will hold back, being the intellectual grown up in the group.

They just need to post clips of these idjits. Over and over.

nooo, newt said people who show clips of his own words are lying meanie-heads.

408 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:39:06pm

re: #401 Stanley Sea

That thoroughly creeped me out. I visited @ end of Sept. No mosquito's, it was cold, but that was fine!

shannynmoore Shannyn Moore

I know. We should never waterboard prisoners. Just put them in a tent with a recording of Palin and 1,000 mosquitoes.

409 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:39:13pm

re: #403 Stanley Sea

Same nic as here?

Shorter. Wait...

410 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:39:54pm

re: #402 Decatur Deb

Worked with a woman who sent her kid to school with a crystal in his pocket, to improve his performance. That didn't bother me. The fact that she was an aeronautical engineer bothered me.

Maybe she was trying to tap into her kid's tendency for self fulfilling prophecies.

411 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:40:31pm

re: #398 Decatur Deb

Falls both ways. The Laetrile cancer cure seemed to be biggest on the Right, as well as the anti-fluoridation bit. JBS was a pusher.

Yeah, but anti-fluoridation also has found a home on the Left. A recent town to drop their fluoridation program was Waterloo, Ontario, hardly a right-wing place. So it does cut both ways, you're right.

412 abolitionist  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:40:56pm

re: #402 Decatur Deb

Worked with a woman who sent her kid to school with a crystal in his pocket, to improve his performance. That didn't bother me. The fact that she was an aeronautical engineer bothered me.

Possibly she thought some esthetics of crystal structures might "rub off" on him? I used to carry magnets. It took me years to understand them.

413 jvic  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:41:52pm

re: #378 Stanley Sea

And SarahTrump 3rd partay cometh.

I've worried about that. As a conservative-leaning libertarian, I believe that the GOP is unfaithful to its core values--but I can't imagine a new Palin-led party as a functional alternative.

popcorn.

Pass some to me, as long as the seasoning isn't bitter.

414 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:42:00pm

re: #412 abolitionist

Possibly she thought some esthetics of crystal structures might "rub off" on him? I used to carry magnets. It took me years to understand them.

I keep them on my fridge to secure pizza coupons.
/

415 albusteve  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:42:04pm

re: #412 abolitionist

Possibly she thought some esthetics of crystal structures might "rub off" on him? I used to carry magnets. It took me years to understand them.

some people wear a crucifix to be closer to Jesus...I'll take a crystal anyday

416 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:42:31pm

re: #396 Stanley Sea

You are on! (when is the air show?)

End of September.
Center line seats, baby!

417 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:42:59pm

Any type of fanaticism is dangerous. It does not matter if it is on the "left" or on the "right." Going to any extreme is dangerous.

418 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:43:36pm

re: #395 Stanley Sea

Hello, Nile Virus!
[Link: stopgerms.org...]

Bad stuff.

419 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:43:48pm

re: #412 abolitionist

Possibly she thought some esthetics of crystal structures might "rub off" on him? I used to carry magnets. It took me years to understand them.

How do they work?

420 Interesting Times  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:44:12pm

re: #322 Floral Giraffe

Charles, in the pages, could we have a category for Global Warming?

I always use the "Environment" category for mine.

421 ArchangelMichael  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:45:01pm

re: #411 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, but anti-fluoridation also has found a home on the Left. A recent town to drop their fluoridation program was Waterloo, Ontario, hardly a right-wing place. So it does cut both ways, you're right.

There are kooks all over the political spectrum. I think it's just a human thing rather than a left or right thing.

Modern day manifestation of evolutionary fear of predators or something like that perhaps?

422 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:45:07pm

re: #418 Floral Giraffe

Hello, Nile Virus!
[Link: stopgerms.org...]

Bad stuff.

West Nile gets attention down here. Mainly because our mosquitoes are big, like birds big.

423 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:46:10pm

re: #394 Dark_Falcon

Not all of them, or even most of them would flounce. Many SoCons would seethe but still understand that Romney is better from their perspective than Obama. Thus they'd stay in the fold. The ones that wouldn't? The Republican party is better off without them.

Well according to this article, only about 18% of Republicans said they would never consider voting for Romney and that may have more to do with RomneyCare and his image as a flip-flopper than his being a Mormon. What I do thing he needs to be preparing for is the anti-Mormon Evangelical groups engaging in a campaign to make his faith seem weird or unacceptable with the general public. Part of the reason President Obama went ahead and released his long-form birth certificate was out of concern that birtherism would become mainstream with independents. I don't think he was wrong about the possibility. Unfortunately, blatant expressions of bigotry have somehow become mainstream again so Romney better have a plan to combat it.

424 abolitionist  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:47:30pm

re: #419 Decatur Deb

How do they work?

The exchange virtual photons.

425 abolitionist  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:49:44pm

They

My errors rate is up today. My eros rate has long been flatlined.

426 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:49:51pm

re: #423 moderatelyradicalliberal

Well according to this article, only about 18% of Republicans said they would never consider voting for Romney and that may have more to do with RomneyCare and his image as a flip-flopper than his being a Mormon. What I do thing he needs to be preparing for is the anti-Mormon Evangelical groups engaging in a campaign to make his faith seem weird or unacceptable with the general public. Part of the reason President Obama went ahead and released his long-form birth certificate was out of concern that birtherism would become mainstream with independents. I don't think he was wrong about the possibility. Unfortunately, blatant expressions of bigotry have somehow become mainstream again so Romney better have a plan to combat it.

A good plan would simply be to prepare some materials from his campaign to educate people about his faith. Don't use materials directly from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, but rather have non-proselytizing materials prepared that explain Mormonism and why the kind he practices isn't a threat.

427 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:49:52pm

re: #423 moderatelyradicalliberal

I want him to lose for the right reasons.

428 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:49:57pm

re: #422 Cannadian Club Akbar

It took out a significant part of our crow population, which has, unfortunately (IMHO) since rebounded.

429 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:50:35pm

re: #407 publicityStunted

nooo, newt said people who show clips of his own words are lying meanie-heads.

Well, you know, words don't mean anything.

Unless somebody you don't like says them.

430 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:54:14pm

re: #399 Stanley Sea

The Obama re-election campaign has it made. But what fears me is they will hold back, being the intellectual grown up in the group.

They just need to post clips of these idjits. Over and over.

I'm normally wary of the Democrats ability to go and stay on offense, but if this quote is any indication, the Barack Obama Emporium of Lollipops and Ass Whippings has run out of lollipops.

Rep. Paul D. Ryan, architect of a Medicare overhaul aimed at slashing the cost of the popular entitlement program by reducing the government’s open-ended commitment to seniors, accused Obama of “mis-describing” his plan and implored the president to ease up on the “demagoguery.”

In reply, Obama said he was no stranger to cartoonish depictions, reeling off a list of conservatives’ favorite attack points: “I’m the death-panel-supporting, socialist, may-not-have-been-born-here president,” Obama said, according to people familiar with his remarks.


[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]

431 Interesting Times  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:54:50pm

re: #427 Decatur Deb

I want him to lose for the right reasons.

I predicted earlier Romney would get the nomination, but would now like to amend that: I still predict he'll get it, but only if he completely withdraws his acceptance of climate science. He'll also have to choose a raging teabagger as his running mate.

432 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:57:21pm

re: #430 moderatelyradicalliberal

In reply, Obama said he was no stranger to cartoonish depictions, reeling off a list of conservatives’ favorite attack points: “I’m the death-panel-supporting, socialist, may-not-have-been-born-here president,” Obama said, according to people familiar with his remarks.

But..but...He didn't use a sarc tag!!1

433 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:57:35pm

re: #423 moderatelyradicalliberal

Well according to this article, only about 18% of Republicans said they would never consider voting for Romney and that may have more to do with RomneyCare and his image as a flip-flopper than his being a Mormon.

When 18% of your party says they would never consider voting for you, you've got a huge problem.

re: #394 Dark_Falcon

The ones that wouldn't? The Republican party is better off without them.

If they form and run a third party ticket, perhaps a beverage themed party steeped in ignorance and anti-tax fanaticism, Romney is doomed. They just might do it out of spite.

434 Obdicut  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 4:57:46pm

re: #426 Dark_Falcon

Honestly, I don't think that would assuage the older Evangelicals one bit. Their difference is the most basic one; they think that the founder of his religion was a false prophet. There's not a lot of wiggle room to explain LDS without confirming that, yes, indeed, they view Joseph Smith as a prophet.

[Link: mormon.org...]

435 Interesting Times  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 5:00:15pm

re: #434 Obdicut

Honestly, I don't think that would assuage the older Evangelicals one bit.

Then all Romney has to do is pick Bachmann as a running mate, and they'll see her as canceling the Mormon out :)

436 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 5:00:42pm

re: #430 moderatelyradicalliberal

I'm normally wary of the Democrats ability to go and stay on offense, but if this quote is any indication, the Barack Obama Emporium of Lollipops and Ass Whippings has run out of lollipops.


[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]

Team Fuck Yeah!

437 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 5:01:26pm

re: #427 Decatur Deb

I want him to lose for the right reasons.

Me too. But I feel that we have been painfully reminded of how many bigots there still are in America and how truly unashamed they are. I think people are being bigoted out loud and in public in a way that is surprising for the 21st century. I'm not naive enough to think the country was post-racial or anything, but I did think we has created an environment in which people at least feared being bigoted in public and on television. It's as if there is no social of political cost anymore and Romney's opponents on the right will use whatever they can against him. They have gotten the message that nothing is really off limits. He will not be protected by being rich, white and Republican. Unless he has a strategy and learns how to make his own "magic underpants" jokes, he's got problems.

438 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 5:01:30pm

re: #434 Obdicut

Honestly, I don't think that would assuage the older Evangelicals one bit. Their difference is the most basic one; they think that the founder of his religion was a false prophet. There's not a lot of wiggle room to explain LDS without confirming that, yes, indeed, they view Joseph Smith as a prophet.

[Link: mormon.org...]

Then he needs to just bite the bullet and admit it. If they want to be asshole idiots there's no way to stop them. But Romney needs to redouble his organizational efforts and work to marginalize some of the most hostile voices. A way to minimize defections is to attack the potential defection leaders and dirty them up. Reduce their respectability and you'll keep the number of followers lower.

439 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 5:02:01pm

re: #438 Dark_Falcon

Then he needs to just bite the bullet and admit it. If they want to be asshole idiots there's no way to stop them. But Romney needs to redouble his organizational efforts and work to marginalize some of the most hostile voices. A way to minimize defections is to attack the potential defection leaders and dirty them up. Reduce their respectability and you'll keep the number of follower sdefecting lower.

PIMF

440 ElCapitanAmerica  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 5:02:20pm

Update from the wikipedia comments section;
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Sarah Palin's army needs to go away

Your version of history is NOT what really happened and I refuse to allow you guys to twist the truth to fit your ideology. Sarah Palin is the dumbest politician in American history. Not only does she lack the ability to retell history correctly (like Paul Revere's ride) but she can't even name specific magazines and newspapers she reads. All of them? Really, Sarah? Biden makes gaffs but he's certainly not stupid. Sarah is the perfect example of stupid. THIS IS A TALK PAGE, STOP CENSORING ME. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azwe (talk • contribs) 21:58, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Seconded. 68.82.34.123 (talk) 22:18, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

You're being "censored" because the purpose of this talk page is the improvement of an article on Paul Revere. If your comment actually said something germane to to that subject, rather than politically charged rhetoric, it wouldn't be censored. (Keeping opinion of Ms. Palin to self.) Magic♪piano 22:04, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Telling Sarah Palin's grizzly-robots to stop vandalizing an article is improving it. 216.41.243.9 (talk) 23:20, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, often it's somewhat nicer to archive than to outright 'remove', so perhaps next time, folks could do that instead.
Note that nothing is ever truly lost, check the "view history" tab to recover comments or information that you feel has been redacted in error.
However, Magicpiano has a pretty good point here. Please don't recover stuff that doesn't have anything to do with editing the article, because, hey, this is an Encyclopedia, and the discussion here should be about just that. If you want to have a more general discussion, use reddit instead: direct link --Kim Bruning (talk) 22:32, 5 June 2011 (UTC) (talk) 22:26, 5 June 2011 (UTC) And no I don't feel guilty about telling *smarter* people about reddit :-P

Kim, I'm "smarter people" and I didn't even know Reddit had forums. :) Never feel guilty about spreading info. Black Max (talk) 22:48, 5 June 2011 (UTC)Black Max

Perhaps just leaving it now to illustrate what the talk page IS NOT FOR is best at this point.--Amadscientist (talk) 22:29, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

My thoughts exactly --Kim Bruning (talk) 22:32, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

It should be noted however, that any comment found to extremely inappropriate can be requested by any editor to a Wiki Admin for permanent removal that can not be recovered. Let's hope things do not get to that.--Amadscientist (talk) 22:42, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

I would strongly suggest locking this page until the Palin controversy blows over and her supporters lose interest in trying to rewrite the page to conform with her erroneous version of Revere's ride. Black Max (talk) 22:39, 5 June 2011 (UTC)Black Max

Doesn't look too bad right at this moment. It has been permanently semiprotected since november as it stands (eeeuw). Should that prove to be insufficient, we can always raise the protection level later. Hopefully we can actually unprotect in a few days. --Kim Bruning (talk) 23:17, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. Anyone editing the page to conform to Sarah's version of events should be warned or banned. The page really should be locked. This is a key moment in US history, and people are tweaking it to advance the reputation of a possible presidential candidate. 98.110.177.20 (talk) 23:41, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, try to edit the article right now, and see what happens. ;-) When you get back to this talk page, note that we're happy to incorporate any suggestions you might have, provided that they are encyclopedic, and you can back them up with sources. --Kim Bruning (talk) 23:58, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

441 jaunte  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 5:03:58pm

re: #430 moderatelyradicalliberal

From Cole's link:

In return for raising the limit, Republicans want spending cuts that would lead to less borrowing in the future, though their own budget requires increasing the debt limit.

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

442 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 5:04:05pm

re: #431 publicityStunted

I predicted earlier Romney would get the nomination, but would now like to amend that: I still predict he'll get it, but only if he completely withdraws his acceptance of climate science. He'll also have to choose a raging teabagger as his running mate.

What this future Romney ticket might look like.

443 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 5:04:44pm

re: #442 goddamnedfrank

LOL!
Sick & funny!

444 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 5:05:20pm

re: #433 goddamnedfrank

They would TOTALLY do it out of spite.

445 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 5:05:29pm

re: #433 goddamnedfrank

When 18% of your party says they would never consider voting for you, you've got a huge problem.
re: #394 Dark_Falcon

If they form and run a third party ticket, perhaps a beverage themed party steeped in ignorance and anti-tax fanaticism, Romney is doomed. They just might do it out of spite.

Sister Sarah IS spite. So I will not be shocked. The GOP is freaking out.

446 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 5:06:18pm

re: #434 Obdicut

Honestly, I don't think that would assuage the older Evangelicals one bit. Their difference is the most basic one; they think that the founder of his religion was a false prophet. There's not a lot of wiggle room to explain LDS without confirming that, yes, indeed, they view Joseph Smith as a prophet.

[Link: mormon.org...]

Yeah, it's not a vague anti Mormon sentiment we are talking about. It's a real theological divide. They think Mormons are a cult. They would never vote for Obama because they think he's a secret Muslim and this really is the same kind of prejudice. This could be bad GOP karma coming back on one of the few prominent Republicans who didn't engage in the prejudice directed at Obama.

447 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 5:06:55pm

re: #433 goddamnedfrank

When 18% of your party says they would never consider voting for you, you've got a huge problem.

re: #394 Dark_Falcon

If they form and run a third party ticket, perhaps a beverage themed party steeped in ignorance and anti-tax fanaticism, Romney is doomed. They just might do it out of spite.

It's his party and he'll cry if he wants to.

448 abolitionist  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 5:13:10pm

re: #447 b_sharp

It's his party and he'll cry if he wants to.

Ha. Golden hits, Goldline ad.

449 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 5:14:33pm

Oh, good grief.

This is what it's coming to?.

Legions of loyalists attempting to change history so that their leader saves face.............why doesn't she just up and move to North Korea or China.

450 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 5:16:13pm

re: #436 Stanley Sea

Team Fuck Yeah!

I'm being totally naughty today.
How are you?

451 abolitionist  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 5:16:35pm

re: #449 wozzablog

Oh, good grief.

This is what it's coming to?.

Legions of loyalists attempting to change history so that their leader saves face...why doesn't she just up and move to North Korea or China.

She'd have to go thru that history stuff again?

452 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 5:16:44pm

re: #450 Floral Giraffe

I'm being totally naughty today.
How are you?

Running around nekid?

453 ElCapitanAmerica  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 5:18:30pm

This proves Revere warned people (colonists AND regulars) with bells ...

Image: paul_revere_warning_with_bells.jpg

454 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 5:20:28pm

re: #452 b_sharp

No, but having a ton of fun!

455 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 5:20:32pm

re: #453 ElCapitanAmerica

This proves Revere warned people (colonists AND regulars) with bells ...

Image: paul_revere_warning_with_bells.jpg

He wore jangly spurs too I'll bet.

456 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 5:21:49pm

Paul Revere - Needs More Cowbell.

457 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 5:22:54pm

re: #450 Floral Giraffe

I'm being totally naughty today.
How are you?

Enjoy! I am too. Well between the housemate being away all day, 5 loads of laundry & wine. Next up is Japanese restaurant.

It's all good!

458 b_sharp  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 5:23:15pm

re: #454 Floral Giraffe

No, but having a ton of fun!

I'm being rather knotty tonight too.

459 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 5:24:09pm

re: #458 b_sharp

I'm being rather knotty tonight too.

You covered a lot in that post.

460 dragonfire1981  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 5:24:13pm

I just noticed this post has an ungodly number of retweets on it. What's up with that?

461 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 5:24:50pm

re: #460 dragonfire1981

I just noticed this post has an ungodly number of retweets on it. What's up with that?

We had a boob-pun exchange.

462 Kragar  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 5:25:11pm

Hamas closes Gaza crossing into Egypt as tensions rise

Hamas closed the Gaza Strip's border with Egypt yesterday, partially reinstating a four-year blockade that was lifted only the week before. Hamas, the militant Islamist organisation which governs Gaza, took the decision in response to growing tension with Egypt's new post-Mubarak regime. After announcing the opening of the border last week, officials in Cairo rapidly backtracked, and then announced restricted access to crossings, apparently to cope with a huge influx of Palestinians trying to escape Gaza.

463 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 5:27:14pm

night all.

464 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 5:27:36pm

re: #460 dragonfire1981

I just noticed this post has an ungodly number of retweets on it. What's up with that?

Or it could be:

[Link: memeorandum.com...]

465 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 5:29:22pm

So... I'm meeting people from work at a hotel in Baltimore at 7:30. *looks around*... no one's here. Turns out... they're stuck as fuck in traffic. Going to be four hours late.

There's a bar in the hotel. The bar has a TV. There's a basketball game on the TV.

What am I supposed to be doing with myself?

466 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 5:31:16pm

Wait patiently, and hope you get a GOOD JOB out of it!

467 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 5:50:47pm

re: #465 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So... I'm meeting people from work at a hotel in Baltimore at 7:30. *looks around*... no one's here. Turns Nout... they're stuck as fuck in traffic. Going to be four hours late.

There's a bar in the hotel. The bar has a TV. There's a basketball game on the TV.

What am I supposed to be doing with myself?

Root for the Mavs. Hope for Corey Brewer playtime.

That's all.

468 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 6:32:22pm

Now approaching 5000 retweets on this post...

469 abolitionist  Sun, Jun 5, 2011 8:56:38pm

Palin: I didn't `mess up' Paul Revere history

Ok, maybe this Paul Revere stuff was all quite well thought out. Why do I suggest that? You'll have to scroll down:

More downside for Palin: Nothing is private.

Looming in the week ahead is Alaska's release of 24,000 pages of emails sent and received by Palin during her time as governor. They will provide an inside look into her rise from obscurity to a spot on the national stage.

The emails cover a majority of her short term as governor and could provide the most insight into how she governed the nation's largest state. Her only other elected office was as a two-term mayor of her hometown of Wasilla, Alaska, which has a population of about 7,000.

The emails cover the first 21 months of Palin's tenure, ending in September 2008, after GOP presidential nominee John McCain selected her to be his running mate.

Hey, lookie here ( standard magician's trick )

470 William of Orange  Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:37:19am

If this was not sad, it would be hilarious.

What am I talking about??? THIS IS HILARIOUS!!!!

I just can't wait to see this feature on the Daily show. Jon Stewart is going to have a field day!!! Perhaps there were some mushrooms in those "real" American Pizzas!!! Hahahaa!!!


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