Rachel Maddow on the Pathetic Roster of GOP Candidates
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With a shout-out (not a gotcha) from Rachel Maddow, for our post about the Palin fans editing Wikipedia, at about 1:50:
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darthstar Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:14:48pm |
Romney's a good looking guy...I'll bet he'd be great in those Viagra or Cialis ads...he's got that "I'm too important to get it up" look to him.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:17:08pm |
Upding for shout-out. Much of the rest of the piece, even its title is a typical liberal hack-job.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:17:56pm |
re: #3 Dark_Falcon
Upding for shout-out. Much of the rest of the piece, even its title is a typical liberal hack-job.
In other words, it hit close to home.
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ElCapitanAmerica Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:18:45pm |
I really feel bad for Romney. He seemed like a douchebag during the 2008 primaries, but this time around he seems like an abused victim.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:19:15pm |
re: #3 Dark_Falcon
did daddy tell you to say that
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jaunte Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:20:10pm |
re: #3 Dark_Falcon
What Fineman said seems accurate: if Romney goes down too fast, it exposes the weakness of the rest of the field.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:20:12pm |
re: #6 ElCapitanAmerica
I really feel bad for Romney. He seemed like a douchebag during the 2008 primaries, but this time around he seems like an abused victim.
the higher the profile, the more profound the douche...at the top, they are all 3rd rate....max douche
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theheat Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:22:16pm |
I'm hearting Rachel Maddow much lately. She and Jon Stewart are about the only two news people I can stomach anymore.
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Stanghazi Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:22:27pm |
I've watched the multitude of links LGF got for that scoop. Good day & congrats!
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Velvet Elvis Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:22:37pm |
Too bad about Santorum.. (Link is what Rachel was referring to with the google reference.)
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:22:51pm |
re: #7 WindUpBird
did daddy tell you to say that
No, I haven't talked to him today, other than to tell him the good new about the sale I got at work. It's my second of the month, and the month is young.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:23:03pm |
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theheat Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:23:11pm |
re: #6 ElCapitanAmerica
He's a sad little douche. A pandering douche, nonetheless.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:24:08pm |
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engineer cat Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:24:33pm |
luxury cruise ship
i bloviate pompously too, but i can't seem to get paid for it like newt does
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:25:32pm |
re: #18 engineer dog
join a band! [Link: news.travel.aol.com...]
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b_sharp Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:26:02pm |
re: #17 Dark_Falcon
That's actually one of the best things about it. I got to watch a liberal squirm and that cane toad Santorum got the lack of attention he so richly deserves.
Next time I have to squirm, I'll send you a video of it. It should make your day.
Liberal B_Sharp.
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bratwurst Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:26:49pm |
re: #19 WindUpBird
join a band! [Link: news.travel.aol.com...]
Nothing is more rock 'n' roll than a Carnival Cruise!
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ElCapitanAmerica Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:27:16pm |
Even the crazy at conservapedia is getting to be too much for some of their users, check out the Talk page;
[Link: www.conservapedia.com...]
need to cite source for recent editCan someone supply a citation or reference for the statement that Revere's intent was to warn the British? RustyR 13:02, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
It's been all over the news the past couple of days, and Palin did produce a historian who agreed with her. I'll see if I can find a good link on it.
I am having trouble understanding the need for the bottom part. Wikipedia already has the liberal version of events. Does Conservapedia need to cover the same ground?
=> Agreed. I just removed it. It was in the wrong section anyway, it clearly wasn't a reference.
Is it acceptable to have totally fabricated history on conservapedia, just because it differs from the "liberal version of the events"? Here is what Revere said *himself* about his ride: "On Tuesday evening, the 18th, it was observed, that a number of Soldiers were marching towards the bottom of the Common. About 10 o'Clock, Dr. Warren Sent in great haste for me, and beged that I would imediately Set off for Lexington, where Messrs. Hancock & Adams were, and acquaint them of the Movement, and that it was thought they were the objets."
He set out to warn Hancock and Adams, not to affirm the 2nd amendment rights against BigGovernment. Don't we look like fools if we just make things up?
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albusteve Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:27:19pm |
re: #20 b_sharp
Next time I have to squirm, I'll send you a video of it. It should make your day.
Liberal B_Sharp.
you're a guppie, leave the squirming to the big fish
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:27:58pm |
re: #12 Conservative Moonbat
With any luck, Santorum will get the nod and thus will experience a mondale-esque defeat, and Frothy Mixture will be attached to that guy with even greater gusto
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:28:29pm |
re: #21 bratwurst
Nothing is more rock 'n' roll than a Carnival Cruise!
All the hair bands are waking up to the possibilities, I hear :D
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theheat Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:29:03pm |
Newt's wife's hair is so edgy those carefully windswept bags could cut someone's face open at close range. Who looks in the mirror and says, "Yeah, just a little sharper. Oooh. Sure. That looks good. I like that."
Especially someone who insists on jewelry from Tiffany's.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:29:14pm |
re: #24 WindUpBird
Whatever you were just smoking, it must be stronger than weed. Santorum has very little change of winning.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:29:32pm |
re: #21 bratwurst
Nothing is more rock 'n' roll than a Carnival Cruise!
never done it...it's very expensive, and I never could seem to catch the right band...there are far more practical ways to see live music, but it is a really cool gadget
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jaunte Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:29:55pm |
re: #21 bratwurst
Arrrr...
[Link: www.gadling.com...]
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What, me worry? Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:30:05pm |
re: #6 ElCapitanAmerica
I really feel bad for Romney. He seemed like a douchebag during the 2008 primaries, but this time around he seems like an abused victim.
I'll make ya a bet though. I'm guessing Romney's not sending any pics of his naughty bits across the interwebs.
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b_sharp Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:30:14pm |
re: #23 albusteve
you're a guppie, leave the squirming to the big fish
Screw you. You haven't seen my pectoral fin.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:31:14pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:31:27pm |
re: #30 marjoriemoon
I'll make ya a bet though. I'm guessing Romney's not sending any pics of his naughty bits across the interwebs.
Concur. He's actually the straight laced honest type.
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:31:54pm |
re: #31 b_sharp
Screw you. You haven't seen my pectoral fin.
Have you Twittered pics of your Fin lately?
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bratwurst Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:32:02pm |
re: #29 jaunte
Arrr...
[Link: www.gadling.com...]
I said ROCK 'N' ROLL. That is a professional karaoke act. /
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The Shadow Do Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:32:22pm |
I am a Republican.
Romney is a highly qualified professional that could actually split the party divide to achieve a bit of forward progress economically and culturally. As for the rest, Guilliani aside, they suck.
Dems get a pass this go around based soley on the unbridled idiocy of the opposition. I have never seen this level of ignorance and socio-pandering in my many years. The lust for office has brought my party to this point.
The country will be the worse for all of this. Years and years of misery await.
If I had enough money at my age I would not give a shit anymore. But, sadly, here I am and the future does not require shades.
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Velvet Elvis Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:32:39pm |
re: #30 marjoriemoon
I'll make ya a bet though. I'm guessing Romney's not sending any pics of his naughty bits across the interwebs.
Too easy to recognize. He's the one wearing magic underwear.
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What, me worry? Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:32:55pm |
re: #33 Dark_Falcon
Concur. He's actually the straight laced honest type.
I think so. I'm not a fan, but I'll give him that.
And what a freaking sad statement to make.
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jaunte Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:33:27pm |
AlbertBrooks tweets:
Fathers day gift for Arnold, Edwards, Straus-Kahn, Anthony, et.al. [Link: www.chastitybeltformen.com...]
Caution, scary devices at link.
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engineer cat Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:34:26pm |
re: #30 marjoriemoon
I'll make ya a bet though. I'm guessing Romney's not sending any pics of his naughty bits across the interwebs.
ken dolls don't have any naughty bits
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b_sharp Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:34:36pm |
re: #35 HoosierHoops
Have you Twittered pics of your Fin lately?
Just to a college student studying Flounders.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:34:53pm |
re: #33 Dark_Falcon
Concur. He's actually the straight laced honest type.
Mitt Romney is "honest?"
We are talking about the guy who's desperately trying to distance himself from his own health care program, right? The guy who says the US "is on the brink of ceasing to be a free market society?"
Apparently, you measure "honesty" differently than I do.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:35:47pm |
re: #27 Dark_Falcon
If you have your heart set on Romney, you're going to have to do something about all the snake handlers, mumbo-jumbo flimflammers, neo-klansmen, and pretend mystics running your party who arbitrarily recoil at Romney's particular flavor of Christianity
One Jesus is not like another, it seems! Maybe they Break out the pub cheese and the beer nuts, let's see which superstitious trademark wins the right to be squashed flat by Barack Obama
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:36:52pm |
re: #41 engineer dog
ken dolls don't have any
naughty bits
FTFY.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:36:55pm |
re: #43 Charles
Mitt Romney is "honest?"
We are talking about the guy who's desperately trying to distance himself from his own health care program, right? The guy who says the US "is on the brink of ceasing to be a free market society?"
Apparently, you measure "honesty" differently than I do.
Is there such a thing as an honest politician?
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engineer cat Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:37:08pm |
re: #37 The Shadow Do
Years and years of misery await.
don't be so quick to believe the stories of how miserable we will all be if we don't take Dr. Reagan And Dr. Ryan's Magic Elixir
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:37:13pm |
re: #33 Dark_Falcon
Concur. He's actually the straight laced honest type.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:38:13pm |
re: #44 WindUpBird
If you have your heart set on Romney, you're going to have to do something about all the snake handlers, mumbo-jumbo flimflammers, neo-klansmen, and pretend mystics running your party who arbitrarily recoil at Romney's particular flavor of Christianity
One Jesus is not like another, it seems! Maybe they Break out the pub cheese and the beer nuts, let's see which superstitious trademark wins the right to be squashed flat by Barack Obama
you could have said pistachios
so unfair
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ElCapitanAmerica Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:38:20pm |
re: #47 NJDhockeyfan
Is there such a thing as an honest politician?
If there was, his name wouldn't be Mitt Romney.
The guy is the very definition of flip-flop, partly why Republicans themselves don't even like him.
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Capitalist Tool Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:38:33pm |
Where are the Thomas Jeffersons... the Samuel Adams, Ben Franklin and George Washington of our time?
Why is there no Ralph Waldo Emerson to be seen?
The world is going mad.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:39:32pm |
re: #47 NJDhockeyfan
Is there such a thing as an honest politician?
of course not...well maybe somewhere under the rug
if there are they don't count for much
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:39:40pm |
re: #47 NJDhockeyfan
doesn't matter, Romney will be eaten alive by the grass-roots Christers, when your base is made up of illiterate creationists, your base is very easy to sway against the alien Mormon
The Power Of This Particular Brand of Christ Compels You! Not That One!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:40:13pm |
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:40:37pm |
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b_sharp Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:40:42pm |
re: #52 Capitalist Tool
Where are the Thomas Jeffersons... the Samuel Adams, Ben Franklin and George Washington of our time?
Why is there no Ralph Waldo Emerson to be seen?The world is going mad.
They're busy writing video games.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:40:47pm |
re: #51 ElCapitanAmerica
If there was, his name wouldn't be Mitt Romney.
The guy is the very definition of flip-flop, partly why Republicans themselves don't even like him.
They are all fucking liars. Some are just better at it than the rest. All they want is votes & power.
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Velvet Elvis Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:41:38pm |
re: #54 WindUpBird
doesn't matter, Romney will be eaten alive by the grass-roots Christers, when your base is made up of illiterate creationists, your base is very easy to sway against the alien Mormon
The Power Of This Particular Brand of Christ Compels You! Not That One!
Huntsman has the same problem. It says something that the two sanest Republican candidates are Mormons.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:41:42pm |
re: #52 Capitalist Tool
Where are the Thomas Jeffersons... the Samuel Adams, Ben Franklin and George Washington of our time?
Why is there no Ralph Waldo Emerson to be seen?The world is going mad.
Men of the founders' greatness are not to be found in every age. Sadly, we must muddle through now without them.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:41:45pm |
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:41:52pm |
The only reason why Mitt Romney is in the running is because he comes from an ultra-wealthy long-time Republican family with big-time connections.
If he gets the nomination, it won't be because he has the support of the base. It will be because the party's real owners know they can count on him to bend over and do everything they want him to do.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:42:02pm |
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albusteve Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:42:09pm |
re: #55 WindUpBird
oh ugh, I don't like pistachios :(
I was hoping we could be nut brothers...
life is so hard
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:43:24pm |
re: #60 Dark_Falcon
Men of the founders' greatness are not to be found in every age. Sadly, we must muddle through now without them.
deifying human beings is really not the answer to our problems
SOMEONE SAVE US, WE NEED A KING TO SAVE US
the president isn't a king, and the founding fathers weren't supernatural beings
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albusteve Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:43:47pm |
re: #62 Charles
The only reason why Mitt Romney is in the running is because he comes from an ultra-wealthy long-time Republican family with big-time connections.
If he gets the nomination, it won't be because he has the support of the base. It will be because the party's real owners know they can count on him to bend over and do everything they want him to do.
presidents are groomed to take office...it was ever thus
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jaunte Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:43:55pm |
re: #52 Capitalist Tool
Where are the Thomas Jeffersons... the Samuel Adams, Ben Franklin and George Washington of our time?
Why is there no Ralph Waldo Emerson to be seen?The world is going mad.
Kant: Through laziness and cowardice a large part of mankind, even after nature has freed them from alien guidance, gladly remain immature. It is because of laziness and cowardice that it is so easy for others to usurp the role of guardians. It is so comfortable to be a minor!
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:43:55pm |
re: #62 Charles
I don't think he canl win. It's the Mormon thing.
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b_sharp Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:44:15pm |
re: #63 Mr Pancakes
Same thing
Not at all.
Communism starts with a 'C' and socialism starts with single pay medicare.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:44:39pm |
With respect-The severest critics of the GOP have some good points to make about Romney. But seriously, these critics are not the best judges of what the GOP and it's base will or will not do by the time we get into the last innings of the primary.
Just by comparison-What GOP candidate has the least odious platform?
What GOP candidate has the least baggage or skeletons in their closet?
We get different guys out of those 2 questions methinks.
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William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:45:33pm |
re: #33 Dark_Falcon
Concur. He's actually the straight laced honest type.
Just like that other Massachusetts mandarin flip-flopper Kerry... ;)
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albusteve Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:45:49pm |
re: #70 Rightwingconspirator
With respect-The severest critics of the GOP have some good points to make about Romney. But seriously, these critics are not the best judges of what the GOP and it's base will or will not do by the time we get into the last innings of the primary.
Just by comparison-What GOP candidate has the least odious platform?
What GOP candidate has the least baggage or skeletons in their closet?
We get different guys out of those 2 questions methinks.
skeletons and baggage are made up these days
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:45:50pm |
re: #69 b_sharp
Not at all.
Communism starts with a 'C' and socialism starts with single pay medicare.
I lump em all together...... silly me.
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Velvet Elvis Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:45:55pm |
re: #60 Dark_Falcon
Men of the founders' greatness are not to be found in every age. Sadly, we must muddle through now without them.
Oh, we have them. Such individuals are now relegated to the confines of academia and are rarely allowed to enter into public discourse.
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ElCapitanAmerica Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:46:08pm |
Colbert changes wikipedia page on bells!!! LOL!
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
(change already reverted)
Image: wikipedia-entry-for-bell-revere.jpg
As used by Paul Revere to scare the British, GO AMERICA! HEY, HEY, HEY!
HAHAHA!
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William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:46:28pm |
re: #47 NJDhockeyfan
Is there such a thing as an honest politician?
Russ Feingold is the only one I'd bet on.
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Velvet Elvis Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:47:01pm |
re: #52 Capitalist Tool
Where are the Thomas Jeffersons... the Samuel Adams, Ben Franklin and George Washington of our time?
Why is there no Ralph Waldo Emerson to be seen?The world is going mad.
Teaching at community colleges for $60k a year.
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engineer cat Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:47:05pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:47:08pm |
re: #73 Mr Pancakes
haha those communist Danish
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:47:38pm |
re: #76 wlewisiii
Russ Feingold is the only one I'd bet on.
Well see.... there you go........ don't be honest.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:47:48pm |
re: #68 Floral Giraffe
I don't think he canl win. It's the Mormon thing.
I would hope that would not be the critical issue. After all if we are at a place we can elect & re elect an African American, utterly unthinkable a decade or two ago?
We got past Kennedys religion long ago. It's an ethical setback if his religion is what really drags him down.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:48:32pm |
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:49:00pm |
re: #76 wlewisiii
Russ Feingold is the only one I'd bet on.
I'd vote George Washington as the most honest Pol.. Plus he couldn't blame the previous administration for all his problems...
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makeitstop Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:49:43pm |
re: #75 ElCapitanAmerica
Colbert changes wikipedia page on bells!!! LOL!
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
(change already reverted)Image: wikipedia-entry-for-bell-revere.jpg
HAHAHA!
Brilliant.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:50:05pm |
re: #62 Charles
The only reason why Mitt Romney is in the running is because he comes from an ultra-wealthy long-time Republican family with big-time connections.
If he gets the nomination, it won't be because he has the support of the base. It will be because the party's real owners know they can count on him to bend over and do everything they want him to do.
No, it'll be because he put in the time and effort lining up the needed support and money. He can run a better ground and air game than his opposition and that may give him the win.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:50:21pm |
re: #84 HoosierHoops
I'd vote George Washington as the most honest Pol.. Plus he couldn't blame the previous administration for all his problems...
re: #84 HoosierHoops
I'd vote George Washington as the most honest Pol.. Plus he couldn't blame the previous administration for all his problems...
what about Cherrytree Gate?....huh?
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William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:50:31pm |
re: #60 Dark_Falcon
Men of the founders' greatness are not to be found in every age. Sadly, we must muddle through now without them.
Actually, DF. they were simply well educated normal men of their era. They had good ideas, bad ideas, virtues & vices (just ask Sally Hemmings). They had the great good fortune to be thousands of miles by sea from the worlds first super power when the revolted & even more lucky to con the world's second super power into helping them.
They were good people. But they were still just people like us.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:50:44pm |
re: #60 Dark_Falcon
Men of the founders' greatness are not to be found in every age. Sadly, we must muddle through now without them.
The problem isn't that we don't have great people, DF, that's just simply flat wrong
The problem is our country won't elect them
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:51:11pm |
re: #86 Dark_Falcon
No, it'll be because he put in the time and effort lining up the needed support and money. He can run a better ground and air game than his opposition and that may give him the win.
Dream on.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:51:28pm |
re: #86 Dark_Falcon
No, it'll be because he put in the time and effort lining up the needed support and money. He can run a better ground and air game than his opposition and that may give him the win.
seems like that's just what CJ said...a matter of degrees I guess
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:51:29pm |
re: #81 Rightwingconspirator
I would hope that would not be the critical issue. After all if we are at a place we can elect & re elect an African American, utterly unthinkable a decade or two ago?
We got past Kennedys religion long ago. It's an ethical setback if his religion is what really drags him down.
The GOP base is the problem, not the country.
A dem Mormon would have far less trouble than a GOP mormon, when your base is weaned on Christian tribalism, that's a tough nut to crack
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:51:42pm |
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Political Atheist Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:51:42pm |
re: #72 albusteve
skeletons and baggage are made up these days
Who needs made up stuff? We have had plenty of the real deal of late. That's what kills me about Brietbart & co., the birthers etc.
There are substantial arguments to have. We waste our time on these foolish distractions. Time we should not be wasting with 16 million out of work, 6 million out for over 6 months and 2.13 wars on.
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Velvet Elvis Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:52:14pm |
re: #86 Dark_Falcon
No, it'll be because he put in the time and effort lining up the needed support and money. He can run a better ground and air game than his opposition and that may give him the win.
How much of his own money did he spend on his campaign last go-around?
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The Shadow Do Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:52:16pm |
re: #49 goddamnedfrank
If you think the way forward is a targeted spending surge and selective tax policy...
I don't subscribe to your easy analysis. One should never abide with the idea that the smart folks in power will look after you. This is where we separate.
Obama is not an idealogue though he will throw his weight to the left when political expediency dictates.
I suspect Romney is of the same cloth. The other Rebubs running? Not so much
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:52:37pm |
If Mitt Romney is the GOP nominee, I'll be doing everything I can to make sure he isn't elected. But Barack Obama won't need my help, because the GOP base will sabotage Romney without it.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:52:39pm |
re: #86 Dark_Falcon
No, it'll be because he put in the time and effort lining up the needed support and money. He can run a better ground and air game than his opposition and that may give him the win.
Dark.... he's Mormon. The left isn't going to vote for him, and the fundamentalists won't either..... he's toast.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:52:55pm |
re: #94 Rightwingconspirator
Who needs made up stuff? We have had plenty of the real deal of late. That's what kills me about Brietbart & co., the birthers etc.
There are substantial arguments to have. We waste our time on these foolish distractions. Time we should not be wasting with 16 million out of work, 6 million out for over 6 months and 2.13 wars on.
bah...get with it
whatever Palin ate for lunch is far more interesting
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engineer cat Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:53:01pm |
george washington was great but that didn't stop the newspapers of the time from accusing him of wanting to make himself king because he was holding fancy parties and serving wine out of silver coolers
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:53:38pm |
re: #86 Dark_Falcon
No, it'll be because he put in the time and effort lining up the needed support and money. He can run a better ground and air game than his opposition and that may give him the win.
How do you feel about the looming civil war in your party? The socons, freepers and tea party types really are your base, and a Romney nomination will likely send them into creating and supporting a third party ticket, out of spite if nothing else.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:53:43pm |
I'm fading and despite the good day I've been tired a lot today. So I'm going to turn in early and get some extra sleep.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:54:22pm |
re: #97 Charles
If Mitt Romney is the GOP nominee, I'll be doing everything I can to make sure he isn't elected. But Barack Obama won't need my help, because the GOP base will sabotage Romney without it.
If the economy & unemployment doesn't improve and Romney is running against Obama, has a great chance to beat him.
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What, me worry? Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:54:30pm |
re: #81 Rightwingconspirator
I would hope that would not be the critical issue. After all if we are at a place we can elect & re elect an African American, utterly unthinkable a decade or two ago?
We got past Kennedys religion long ago. It's an ethical setback if his religion is what really drags him down.
I think the Mormon issue is a non-issue also. In the end, people don't care.
Romney does have that wholesome thing going on, but he fibs to play to the base. Most all of it is Obama bashing.
[Link: www.politifact.com...]
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:54:36pm |
re: #94 Rightwingconspirator
substantive arguments require an educated electorate!
Why do you think Sarah Palin does so well with the GOP base? it's because she is familiar to them, she speaks like them, acts like them, makes arguments the way they would
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Velvet Elvis Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:55:37pm |
re: #96 The Shadow Do
I don't subscribe to your easy analysis. One should never abide with the idea that the smart folks in power will look after you. This is where we separate.
Is that the explanation for the Republicans' refusal to elect smart folks?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:55:42pm |
re: #98 Mr Pancakes
Dark... he's Mormon. The left isn't going to vote for him, and the fundamentalists won't either... he's toast.
The left would happily vote for a dem mormon :)
I have mormon friends who are as liberal as Spacejesus, Mormon doesn't necessarily mean right-wing
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:56:32pm |
re: #105 marjoriemoon
I think the Mormon issue is a non-issue also. In the end, people don't care.
Romney does have that wholesome thing going on, but he fibs to play to the base. Most all of it is Obama bashing.
[Link: www.politifact.com...]
The fundamentalists will care....... is that a big enough number? I don't know.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:56:35pm |
re: #105 marjoriemoon
I think the Mormon issue is a non-issue also. In the end, people don't care.
Romney does have that wholesome thing going on, but he fibs to play to the base. Most all of it is Obama bashing.
[Link: www.politifact.com...]
It's a bigger problem in the primary than in the general.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:56:35pm |
re: #101 goddamnedfrank
How do you feel about the looming civil war in your party? The socons, freepers and tea party types really are your base, and a Romney nomination will likely send them into creating and supporting a third party ticket, out of spite if nothing else.
I'd love to see a three way run, oh what fun that would be
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Capitalist Tool Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:56:59pm |
Consider Lincoln, the Roosevelts, Martin Luther King... in our nations dark hours, a man of vision has emerged.
Perhaps we have not yet reached full ebb tide of our despair.
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The Shadow Do Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:57:03pm |
re: #107 Conservative Moonbat
May well be! Bunch of dumbasses for sure.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:57:25pm |
re: #105 marjoriemoon
I think the Mormon issue is a non-issue also. In the end, people don't care.
Romney does have that wholesome thing going on, but he fibs to play to the base. Most all of it is Obama bashing.
[Link: www.politifact.com...]
you don't think it's an issue in the GOP primary?
I think you're wrong :)
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William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:57:41pm |
re: #108 WindUpBird
The left would happily vote for a dem mormon :)
I have mormon friends who are as liberal as Spacejesus, Mormon doesn't necessarily mean right-wing
True, dat. But as long as the Republican base is owned by the SoCons, Mitten's is toast in the primaries even if he is the only one with a chance to win the general.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:57:49pm |
re: #108 WindUpBird
The left would happily vote for a dem mormon :)
I have mormon friends who are as liberal as Spacejesus, Mormon doesn't necessarily mean right-wing
the Mormon thing is entirely up in the air...but I'm amused at all the experts that can see the future...all this finite speak about what is going to happen is a hoot
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Velvet Elvis Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:58:13pm |
re: #105 marjoriemoon
I think the Mormon issue is a non-issue also. In the end, people don't care.
Romney does have that wholesome thing going on, but he fibs to play to the base. Most all of it is Obama bashing.
[Link: www.politifact.com...]
Churches are a powerful GOTV vehicle for the Republican Party. If preachers and pastors aren't telling their congregations to go out and vote, Republican turnout will be reduced.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:58:15pm |
re: #112 Capitalist Tool
Kings are not the answer to your problems.
An electorate that isn't stupid, that's the answer to your problems
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:58:33pm |
re: #108 WindUpBird
The left would happily vote for a dem mormon :)
I have mormon friends who are as liberal as Spacejesus, Mormon doesn't necessarily mean right-wing
Ok, agreed.... but there are not a lot of christian fundamentalists on the dems side.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:58:59pm |
re: #92 WindUpBird
The GOP base is the problem, not the country.
A dem Mormon would have far less trouble than a GOP mormon, when your base is weaned on Christian tribalism, that's a tough nut to crack
Here is my thought there-Look at the national county red/blue map. You'll see the vast red areas that are (sorry, like it or not) just as much a part of the country as the population dense & liberal urban blue zones. Note those California Republicans just may not fit your description as well as those in North Carolina.
Now I'd like to see how a Dem Mormon might do in say San Francisco. Not well I suspect. But we may be talking about the difference between one in a million and one in two million odds of a win in our comparison of a GOP and a Dem Mormon candidate running.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 6, 2011 8:59:07pm |
re: #116 albusteve
the Mormon thing is entirely up in the air...but I'm amused at all the experts that can see the future...all this finite speak about what is going to happen is a hoot
it's all like sports to me
how boring it would be if nobody could speculate on the playoffs before they happen ;-)
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William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:00:20pm |
re: #112 Capitalist Tool
Consider Lincoln, the Roosevelts, Martin Luther King... in our nations dark hours, a man of vision has emerged.
Perhaps we have not yet reached full ebb tide of our despair.
None of the above were considered such in their lifetime. Just look around and think about that.
(ok, possibly FDR but only enough to keep him in for terms 3 & 4. Even then, other factors were in hard play.)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:00:55pm |
re: #120 Rightwingconspirator
Here is my thought there-Look at the national county red/blue map. You'll see the vast red areas that are (sorry, like it or not) just as much a part of the country as the population dense & liberal urban blue zones. Note those California Republicans just may not fit your description as well as those in North Carolina.
Now I'd like to see how a Dem Mormon might do in say San Francisco. Not well I suspect. But we may be talking about the difference between one in a million and one in two million odds of a win in our comparison of a GOP and a Dem Mormon candidate running.
The Democratic base in general, is not that concerned at the particular flavor of Xtianity of its candidates
The Republican base lives and dies on Xtian tribalism. This is the truth.
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celticdragon Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:01:08pm |
re: #52 Capitalist Tool
Where are the Thomas Jeffersons... the Samuel Adams, Ben Franklin and George Washington of our time?
Why is there no Ralph Waldo Emerson to be seen?The world is going mad.
We don't have those "Founding Fathers" types because our social system does not produce them.
Many of the founders benefited from a highly stratified social system that relied on patronage: IE a successfull and established man would sponsor intelligent and aspiring young men (likely lads, as they would say) into good schools or prestigious apprenticeships, and these young men would then be indebted to their sponsors and repay their chip when it was called in at some point. It was a weird blending of aristocracy and meritocracy, since the aristocrats were actively looking for the very best candidates to sponsor. Many of our Founders (Hamilton especially) benefited from this system.
However, the assumptions were also such that when a man was successful and comfortable in his affairs, he would lay aside his business dealings and give service to his community. Men of experience and success were expected to give their wisdom and experience back to the country. It was absolutely mandatory in the expectations at the time that any political service that you gave could not in any way be of profit to you! This cannot be over stressed. Cheating on your wife was less of an offense then being seen as corrupt (and the definition of corruption was far stricter then we have now).
We will never have men like the Founders again because the situations that created them are unlikely to ever be repeated.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:01:12pm |
re: #99 albusteve
bah...get with it
whatever Palin ate for lunch is far more interesting
LOL
I don't watch the talkin' heads. I get my stuff from the wire reports & blogs (politico, wired) where I can ignore the fluff.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:01:44pm |
re: #121 WindUpBird
it's all like sports to me
how boring it would be if nobody could speculate on the playoffs before they happen ;-)
have you ever seen a flock of starlings fly off by the thousands, then shift direction en mass, all together as a flock?...that's how I see the GOP...highly unpredictable but thank god for all the experts here that see the future
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celticdragon Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:03:05pm |
re: #88 wlewisiii
Actually, DF. they were simply well educated normal men of their era. They had good ideas, bad ideas, virtues & vices (just ask Sally Hemmings). They had the great good fortune to be thousands of miles by sea from the worlds first super power when the revolted & even more lucky to con the world's second super power into helping them.
They were good people. But they were still just people like us.
Yes and no. They were people with all the strengths and weaknessess that go with that, but they had very different cultural notions of how things were supposed to operate.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:03:22pm |
astounding!
shocking!
I'm floored!
Impossible!
get ready for it
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recusancy Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:04:24pm |
re: #60 Dark_Falcon
Men of the founders' greatness are not to be found in every age. Sadly, we must muddle through now without them.
I don't find greatness in slave owners.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:05:16pm |
re: #126 albusteve
have you ever seen a flock of starlings fly off by the thousands, then shift direction en mass, all together as a flock?...that's how I see the GOP...highly unpredictable but thank god for all the experts here that see the future
I can see that, politically, with most candidates
I have a harder time seeing the base switch its deeply held tribalism, which is why I don't think Romney has a chance, the GOP needs its grassroots, and the grassroots uses church to organize, and I just don't see them organizing for Romney
It'd be like having an athiest republican running for president, I think it's a dealbreaker for large chunks of the republican electorate
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Lidane Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:05:24pm |
re: #105 marjoriemoon
I think the Mormon issue is a non-issue also. In the end, people don't care.
Correction -- most independents and/or sane people don't care. Evangelicals, on the other hand, care a great deal about the whole Mormon thing. I see it all the time here in the South.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:06:25pm |
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:06:38pm |
re: #126 albusteve
have you ever seen a flock of starlings fly off by the thousands, then shift direction en mass, all together as a flock?...that's how I see the GOP...highly unpredictable but thank god for all the experts here that see the future
Yes, en masse the GOP is going to embrace gay rights / DADT repeal, women's reproductive freedom, cut military spending and repeal the Bush tax cuts. These are all directions that the Republicans might turn to at any second without warning, because they're like starlings in flight.
How drunk are you right now?
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:06:48pm |
re: #124 celticdragon
We will never have men like the Founders again because the situations that created them are unlikely to ever be repeated.
There may be a lot of founding father types out there....... then there's that problematic setback of having, or raising millions of dollars.
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William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:07:00pm |
re: #127 celticdragon
Yes and no. They were people with all the strengths and weaknessess that go with that, but they had very different cultural notions of how things were supposed to operate.
True so far as it goes - look at how hard Washington worked to build the Cincinnatus myth around himself. Also take a peek at the newspaper scandal sheets during Jefferson's re-election campaign. Human's remain human's even if the rules occasionally change.
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Summer Seale Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:07:30pm |
OT: I just want to mention that much as I love France, it truly is insane in some ways
French media tweet and poke ban
I do have to mention that France is really behind in some ways on the internet, and is even recognized as being so by many French people (certainly a lot of French people I work with who don't even really know "Internet stuff" really well). And they recognize that they're going to be suffering for it, and have been suffering for it as a nation and in their economy.
BTW, for those who aren't aware yet, i'm an expat living in France. =)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:07:35pm |
the deification of guys from 200 years ago bores the shit out of me
if you're waiting for the dead to rise and run for office, you'll be waiting a long time
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celticdragon Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:07:43pm |
re: #129 recusancy
I don't find greatness in slave owners.
It is entirely possible, and possibly even the norm, for people with towering gifts to also have equally towering flaws.
Jefferson does come to mind.
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palomino Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:08:03pm |
re: #86 Dark_Falcon
No, it'll be because he put in the time and effort lining up the needed support and money. He can run a better ground and air game than his opposition and that may give him the win.
You mean like in 2008, when he was outmaneuvered by both McCain and Huckabee.
He's done a complete 180 on abortion, gun control, gay rights, healthcare, immigration and soon global warming. I don't think your party wants to be pandered to much longer by a former moderate from the northeast. That's just not the party's center of gravity.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:08:19pm |
Mitt Romney is a Mormon.
He accepts the reality of evolution.
He accepts the reality of climate change.
He signed into law a public health care program identical to Obama's.
Did I mention he's a Mormon?
No matter how much he panders to the loons with pro-forma anti-Obama rhetoric, he's never going to be President.
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Velvet Elvis Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:08:38pm |
re: #127 celticdragon
Yes and no. They were people with all the strengths and weaknessess that go with that, but they had very different cultural notions of how things were supposed to operate.
At the time it was assumed that the best and brightest should be the ones leading the country. There wasn't the current of anti-intellectualism we have to deal with today. Our best and brightest are now confined to roles in academia and industry. If someone is seen as "too smart" it's a political liability.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:09:02pm |
re: #136 Summer
I do like the idea of news professionals NOT getting caught up in Facebook, Facebook is far more noise than signal
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albusteve Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:09:13pm |
re: #133 goddamnedfrank
Yes, en masse the GOP is going to embrace gay rights / DADT repeal, women's reproductive freedom, cut military spending and repeal the Bush tax cuts. These are all directions that the Republicans might turn to at any second without warning, because they're like starlings in flight.
How drunk are you right now?
I didn't reference what they'd embrace...is there something wrong I can help you with? or are you looking for a fight again?...spill it Frank
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recusancy Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:09:53pm |
re: #140 Charles
Mitt Romney is a Mormon.
He accepts the reality of evolution.
He accepts the reality of climate change.
He signed into law a public health care program identical to Obama's.
Did I mention he's a Mormon?
No matter how much he panders to the loons with pro-forma anti-Obama rhetoric, he's never going to be President.
He's a banker.
He bought companies and laid off the workers to turn a profit.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:10:31pm |
re: #141 Conservative Moonbat
At the time it was assumed that the best and brightest should be the ones leading the country. There wasn't the current of anti-intellectualism we have to deal with today. Our best and brightest are now confined to roles in academia and industry. If someone is seen as "too smart" it's a political liability.
this right here!
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:10:48pm |
re: #136 Summer
OT: I just want to mention that much as I love France, it truly is insane in some ways
French media tweet and poke ban
I do have to mention that France is really behind in some ways on the internet, and is even recognized as being so by many French people (certainly a lot of French people I work with who don't even really know "Internet stuff" really well). And they recognize that they're going to be suffering for it, and have been suffering for it as a nation and in their economy.
BTW, for those who aren't aware yet, i'm an expat living in France. =)
I don't have to go to France....... I have Google Earth.
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palomino Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:10:49pm |
re: #104 NJDhockeyfan
If the economy & unemployment doesn't improve and Romney is running against Obama, has a great chance to beat him.
You're dreaming if you think your party is gonna nominate someone with so many heretical views. Hear his comments on global warming? That ain't gonna help.
You might as well keep on hoping for the economy to continue to suck...it's your party's only chance.
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Capitalist Tool Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:11:25pm |
re: #141 Conservative Moonbat
You've repeated the meme, yet I have difficulty thinking of the best and brightest as being cloistered in academia; to slim extent, perhaps.
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The Shadow Do Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:11:54pm |
Politicians are so boring. Utterly predictable. I have no passion for the sport any longer. At its root it is all about gaining and sustaining a really sweet gig. Ethics is a foreign language, a dead one even. Fuck em all. Top down. Vote for someone that has your personal interests aligned with their personal interests and you can feel good pulling the handle election day.
That is all.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:12:13pm |
re: #148 Capitalist Tool
You've repeated the meme, yet I have difficulty thinking of the best and brightest as being cloistered in academia; to slim extent, perhaps.
A lot of them are running companies!
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Lidane Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:12:33pm |
re: #139 palomino
He's done a complete 180 on abortion, gun control, gay rights, healthcare, immigration and soon global warming. I don't think your party wants to be pandered to much longer by a former moderate from the northeast. That's just not the party's center of gravity.
He's a patrician Masshole who has flipped on important issues. Furthermore, there are plenty of people out there who think like this guy and simply won't vote for Romney because that means validating the LDS church:
[Link: www.patheos.com...]
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freetoken Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:13:47pm |
Romney and Mormonism... let's turn the time machine back...
Evangelicals warn against Romney on ticket
It's not bigotry for voters to take Mitt Romney's Mormonism into account
Remember, for the 2008 election Mitt had to make a special trip to Texastan in order to explain about his Mormonism.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:13:51pm |
re: #106 WindUpBird
substantive arguments require an educated electorate!
Why do you think Sarah Palin does so well with the GOP base? it's because she is familiar to them, she speaks like them, acts like them, makes arguments the way they would
I think you broad brush the most extreme religious right by granting them numbers that would include far more moderate areas that do have lots of Republicans-Like California.
To answer directly-She is the speaker they need, and will pay for. I still doubt she will run, I certainly doubt she can win the primary, and I am damn sure that she can not beat Barack Obama the sitting President. Here is why I feel that way-Weak from early on(Oct 20, 2008)-Mr. McCain made no progress in appealing to voters on a personal level, and he and his running mate, Gov. Sarah Palin, had alienated some voters.
And weak lately-"Washington (CNN) - A new national poll indicates that 56 percent of all Americans have an unfavorable view of Sarah Palin, an all-time high for the former Alaska governor."
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engineer cat Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:14:30pm |
the right wing hates romney, democrats are certainly not very fond of him, but without him the republican party ain't got nuthin in 2012
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palomino Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:14:36pm |
re: #151 Lidane
He's a patrician Masshole who has flipped on important issues. Furthermore, there are plenty of people out there who think like this guy and simply won't vote for Romney because that means validating the LDS church:
[Link: www.patheos.com...]
Good point. Strange thing is there seems to be more overtly anti-Mormon rhetoric this time around than last. Maybe noone really took him as seriously in 08, so now there's more preemptive work to do against him.
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freetoken Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:15:40pm |
Wow... LGF blew through the 200,000 page-view mark a few minutes ago.
Not bad for a blog that was going down the "drain of irrelevance".
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recusancy Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:15:49pm |
re: #152 The Shadow Do
How awful of him
Just saying. People don't like wall street or the guy who laid them off.
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William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:16:00pm |
re: #138 celticdragon
It is entirely possible, and possibly even the norm, for people with towering gifts to also have equally towering flaws.
Jefferson does come to mind.
Repeatedly. The Declaration of Independence vs. Notes on the State of Virginia for one quick moment.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:16:25pm |
re: #147 palomino
You're dreaming if you think your party is gonna nominate someone with so many heretical views. Hear his comments on global warming? That ain't gonna help.
You might as well keep on hoping for the economy to continue to suck...it's your party's only chance.
Global warming? With millions of Americans sitting at home without a job, they will vote for someone who they believe will give them the best chance to lower the unemployment numbers and help them get back in the job market again. Global warming is way down their list of priorities IMHO.
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celticdragon Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:16:29pm |
re: #141 Conservative Moonbat
At the time it was assumed that the best and brightest should be the ones leading the country. There wasn't the current of anti-intellectualism we have to deal with today. Our best and brightest are now confined to roles in academia and industry. If someone is seen as "too smart" it's a political liability.
Exactly. Of course, they had certain assumptions as to what constituted the best and brightest (white men only need apply), but the system of patronage actually did assure that really bright and talented people had a shot at going to school and meeting presigious people who could be valuable social contacts.
Alexander Hamilton was a teenaged nobody working on a dock in the Caribbean until he was found and sponsored by a man who thought he had potential. Good call.
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webevintage Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:17:13pm |
re: #104 NJDhockeyfan
If the economy & unemployment doesn't improve and Romney is running against Obama, has a great chance to beat him.
Of course in this economy a man who's business was to buy businesses and then fire the employees might not have much of a shot.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:17:18pm |
MItt Romney could personally pay off the national debt by learning how to physically crap gold bullion and the GOP fundie base still wouldn't vote for him. They hate the man.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:17:19pm |
re: #154 Rightwingconspirator
it's a process of elimination, the base would happily take Palin (or Bachmann) over Romney.
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abolitionist Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:17:41pm |
re: #157 Capitalist Tool
Eric Hoffer was a stevedore.
And an insightful writer. The True Believer shows that.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:17:46pm |
suggesting that the GOP is on the verge of imminent implosion, then turn around and claim you know the results is simply ridiculous...nobody can possibly know what will happen to the GOP...some guesses will invariably be correct tho, by dumb luck
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:17:51pm |
re: #152 The Shadow Do
How awful of him
you haven't been watching the news lately about our financial system, have you
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Velvet Elvis Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:18:01pm |
re: #148 Capitalist Tool
You've repeated the meme, yet I have difficulty thinking of the best and brightest as being cloistered in academia; to slim extent, perhaps.
When was the last time anyone with a phd ran for president? You'd think someone who's an expert in political science, history, or philosophy would be pretty well qualified for the job. Instead the majority of politicians are now lawyers, and DC is dripping in slime as a result.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:18:33pm |
re: #161 NJDhockeyfan
Global warming? With millions of Americans sitting at home without a job, they will vote for someone who they believe will give them the best chance to lower the unemployment numbers and help them get back in the job market again. Global warming is way down their list of priorities IMHO.
It always will be, and that's why some of us fear that we are doomed.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:18:35pm |
re: #158 freetoken
Wow... LGF blew through the 200,000 page-view mark a few minutes ago.
Not bad for a blog that was going down the "drain of irrelevance".
It was the power of the Weiner.
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The Shadow Do Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:18:38pm |
Seems to me that the Morman dislike meme is being driven almost exclusively from the left. It is an odd sort of respect for the threat he represents. It's like LeBron James hatred, kind of silly. That said, I am sure there are lots of snake handlers that ain't havin any of it. Question is, how many dumbass snake handlers are there really?
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albusteve Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:18:45pm |
re: #161 NJDhockeyfan
Global warming? With millions of Americans sitting at home without a job, they will vote for someone who they believe will give them the best chance to lower the unemployment numbers and help them get back in the job market again. Global warming is way down their list of priorities IMHO.
GW is dead, Jim
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webevintage Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:18:46pm |
re: #161 NJDhockeyfan
Global warming? With millions of Americans sitting at home without a job, they will vote for someone who they believe will give them the best chance to lower the unemployment numbers and help them get back in the job market again. Global warming is way down their list of priorities IMHO.
Unless you live in the mis-west or the south and have put up with the last few springs of crazy floods and big ass tornadoes...might make folks think a bit about climate change.
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Capitalist Tool Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:19:19pm |
re: #165 WindUpBird
it's a process of elimination, the base would happily take Palin (or Bachmann) over Romney.
Like Bill Clinton said:
"I tell you what now, that Sarah Palin is one candidate I could reeeally get behind. Yessirree"!
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ElCapitanAmerica Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:19:27pm |
re: #140 Charles
The irony is that by definition, technically (and theologically, orthodoxically), Barack Obama is more Christian than either Romney and Beck combined.
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palomino Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:20:04pm |
re: #161 NJDhockeyfan
Global warming? With millions of Americans sitting at home without a job, they will vote for someone who they believe will give them the best chance to lower the unemployment numbers and help them get back in the job market again. Global warming is way down their list of priorities IMHO.
I'm talking about getting the gop nod, not the general election. Together with all his other problematic views and Mormonism, he just shot himself in the foot by telling fellow Republicans that he has the Dems' view on global warming. The base, as revealed in poll after poll, isn't interested in a former left of center gov from Massachusetts. It's the old Bush establishment that likes him, but they aren't holding the reins anymore.
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ElCapitanAmerica Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:20:10pm |
re: #172 The Shadow Do
Seems to me that the Morman dislike meme is being driven almost exclusively from the left.
Whaaat?
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The Shadow Do Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:20:17pm |
re: #168 WindUpBird
you haven't been watching the news lately about our financial system, have you
corporations shoud be far more altruistic. I know the one I work for is. Not.
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Capitalist Tool Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:21:11pm |
re: #179 The Shadow Do
corporations shoud be far more altruistic. I know the one I work for is. Not.
no. shit.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:21:42pm |
re: #174 webevintage
Unless you live in the mis-west or the south and have put up with the last few springs of crazy floods and big ass tornadoes...might make folks think a bit about climate change.
Crazy floods and big ass tornadoes come around every Spring as far as I can remember. The violent storms from this spring isn't going to guarantee Obama a second term.
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celticdragon Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:21:55pm |
re: #172 The Shadow Do
Seems to me that the Mormon dislike meme is being driven almost exclusively from the left. It is an odd sort of respect for the threat he represents. It's like LeBron James hatred, kind of silly. That said, I am sure there are lots of snake handlers that ain't havin any of it. Question is, how many dumbass snake handlers are there really?
Obviously, you haven't had a conversation with my conservative Christian mother about Mormon politicians.
I refuse to even bring the subject up around her...but then again, she also thinks Catholicism is a cult as well.
Yikes.
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Capitalist Tool Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:23:30pm |
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Political Atheist Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:24:11pm |
re: #165 WindUpBird
Okay. Let's revisit this after we have a couple dozen states in on the primary. Love to chat about how powerful this base turns out to be. Just in case I need it I do have this... recipe for crow.
Now complete with the sounds of only slightly distant gunfire and an approaching helicopter, I'm off to bed.
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palomino Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:24:31pm |
Anyone with a passing knowledge of American history knows that presidents often have a hard time winning re-election when the economy sucks. See Bush Sr., Jimmy Carter, Herbert Hoover et al.
This simple fact doesn't mean that any of the gop candidates are any good. But one of them of course could slip through, and be just good enough to win a narrow election a la Bush in 2000 and 2004. This is really the gop's only hope, so of course they're gonna ride with it.
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ReamWorks SKG Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:24:37pm |
There are a lot of people on the left who were soured by the Mormon funding of Proposition 8 who are skeptical of Mormons. (My personal take--one should be angry at the 52% of California Voters who voted for it, and nobody else. There should have been California boycotts by GLBT groups, not Utah boycotts!)
And there are people on the right who don't regard the LDS Church as Christian. (As a non-Christian, it's not for me to decide, so I have No Opinion. I accept their self-classification.)
I think there's substance to the hypothesis that a Mormon may be unelectable.
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recusancy Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:24:49pm |
Paul Ryan and Vouchercare will be the albatross around any nominee's neck in the general election.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:24:56pm |
re: #172 The Shadow Do
Seems to me that the Morman dislike meme is being driven almost exclusively from the left.
You've got to be kidding. That shows me that you've never even paid attention to the rhetoric coming from your own party -- or you're trying to pretend it isn't there.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:25:08pm |
re: #182 celticdragon
Obviously, you haven't had a conversation with my conservative Christian mother about Mormon politicians.
I refuse to even bring the subject up around her...but then again, she also thinks Catholicism is a cult as well.
Yikes.
I grew up with similar parents.... to them Mormons were a cult and Catholics weren't Christians. I loved my folks even though they were misguided.
They lived in Calimesa Celtic and Yuciapa.
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palomino Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:25:46pm |
re: #181 NJDhockeyfan
Crazy floods and big ass tornadoes come around every Spring as far as I can remember. The violent storms from this spring isn't going to guarantee Obama a second term.
No one said that. The point being made was that if Romney continues to agree with Dems on issues (like global warming) he's got little chance of wooing Republican voters. Thus he won't get the nod.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:26:46pm |
It's entirely possible that the GOP's corrupt owners will succeed in propping up Mitt Romney to be the GOP candidate. But the base absolutely hates him.
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Capitalist Tool Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:27:22pm |
re: #190 Mr Pancakes
Calimesa Celtic and Yucaipa.
Now that sounds like another weird west- coast cult.
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ReamWorks SKG Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:28:09pm |
I need to add--because the subject is sure to come up--that Jews have special undergarments as well. (The Talit Katan!)
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William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:28:14pm |
re: #182 celticdragon
Obviously, you haven't had a conversation with my conservative Christian mother about Mormon politicians.
I refuse to even bring the subject up around her...but then again, she also thinks Catholicism is a cult as well.
Yikes.
Oh, fun. I get shit on a regular basis from my step mother about being an Episcopalian. Of course her little church is listed on several cult watch web sites so I must be biased...
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Capitalist Tool Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:28:21pm |
re: #192 Charles
It's entirely possible that the GOP's corrupt owners will succeed in propping up Mitt Romney to be the GOP candidate. But the base absolutely hates him.
don't think it's possible. But, with the current crop of candidates...
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Velvet Elvis Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:28:25pm |
re: #186 palomino
Anyone with a passing knowledge of American history knows that presidents often have a hard time winning re-election when the economy sucks. See Bush Sr., Jimmy Carter, Herbert Hoover et al.
Hoover was more his own doing. It was his inability to deal with the depression and actually see the scope of the problem that was his undoing, not the depression itself.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:28:32pm |
re: #193 Capitalist Tool
Calimesa Celtic and Yucaipa.
Now that sounds like another weird west- coast cult.
Where are you?
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funky chicken Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:28:43pm |
re: #26 theheat
Newt's wife's hair is so edgy those carefully windswept bags could cut someone's face open at close range. Who looks in the mirror and says, "Yeah, just a little sharper. Oooh. Sure. That looks good. I like that."
Especially someone who insists on jewelry from Tiffany's.
Go look for the pics of her from right after the Clinton impeachment. She's had a LOT of plastic surgery.
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celticdragon Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:29:20pm |
re: #190 Mr Pancakes
I grew up with similar parents... to them Mormons were a cult and Catholics weren't Christians. I loved my folks even though they were misguided.
They lived in Calimesa Celtic and Yuciapa.
Yep. My folks live in Yucaipa.
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palomino Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:29:33pm |
re: #197 Conservative Moonbat
Hoover was more his own doing. It was his inability to deal with the depression and actually see the scope of the problem that was his undoing, not the depression itself.
So you don't think the 90% drop in stock value or 25% unemployment may have cost him the 1932 election?
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albusteve Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:29:38pm |
re: #192 Charles
It's entirely possible that the GOP's corrupt owners will succeed in propping up Mitt Romney to be the GOP candidate. But the base absolutely hates him.
re: #192 Charles
It's entirely possible that the GOP's corrupt owners will succeed in propping up Mitt Romney to be the GOP candidate. But the base absolutely hates him.
it comes down to this...will you vote for a Mormon and give it the best shot, or do you vote 'base GOP' and toss it all away?...it remains to be seen
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Capitalist Tool Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:29:45pm |
re: #198 Mr Pancakes
Where are you?
i'm a prairie homer... city boy now, but from the tall-grass prairie region of northern OK- now in OKC
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:30:59pm |
re: #200 celticdragon
Yep. My folks live in Yucaipa.
Love it up there....... they are no longer with us but we had many trips up to Oak Glen ..... the home of Susan Anton!
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palomino Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:31:06pm |
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celticdragon Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:31:12pm |
re: #193 Capitalist Tool
Calimesa Celtic and Yucaipa.
Now that sounds like another weird west- coast cult.
Calimesa and Yucaipa are two mostly retirement age cities next to each other on the obrder of Riverside and San Bernardino counties along I-10 going towards Palm Springs. I grew up in Yucaipa.
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freetoken Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:31:44pm |
re: #192 Charles
He looks good in a suit, and has good hair. He's a TV type of politician if there ever was one.
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Lidane Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:31:48pm |
re: #172 The Shadow Do
Seems to me that the Morman dislike meme is being driven almost exclusively from the left.
Right. Because the fundamentalist evangelicals here in the South who consider Mormons a half-step above Satanists are liberals.
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ProGunLiberal Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:31:52pm |
Good News from Syria! Just popped up in the Twitter Feed:
Al Jazeera has received a statement from a #Syria officer saying he defected after witnessing crimes against civilians [Link: aje.me...]
re: #203 Capitalist Tool
A number of us seem to be in OK. I'm there 7.5-8 months of the year. This isn't one of them.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:32:05pm |
re: #205 palomino
Why not Huntsman? He's smart and experienced like Romney but without all the flip flopping bullshit.
sure why not?...but the subject was Romney
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:32:09pm |
re: #194 reuven
I need to add--because the subject is sure to come up--that Jews have special undergarments as well. (The Talit Katan!)
If Joe Lieberman wears tzitzit, he doesn't wear them out--otherwise the subject would have come up a long time ago.
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Velvet Elvis Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:32:12pm |
re: #191 palomino
No one said that. The point being made was that if Romney continues to agree with Dems on issues (like global warming) he's got little chance of wooing Republican voters. Thus he won't get the nod.
It's the best strategy for him. The far right won't vote for him anyway due to the Mormon thing so his best bet is to position himself as a more moderate candidate and hope the loons split the tea party vote.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:32:35pm |
re: #203 Capitalist Tool
i'm a prairie homer... city boy now, but from the tall-grass prairie region of northern OK- now in OKC
Ahhh..... well if you ever motor west to LA on I-10 you'll go through both Calimesa and Yuciapa. Don't blink.
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recusancy Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:32:46pm |
re: #205 palomino
Why not Huntsman? He's smart and experienced like Romney but without all the flip flopping bullshit.
He's currently in the process of flip flopping.
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celticdragon Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:32:59pm |
re: #204 Mr Pancakes
Love it up there... they are no longer with us but we had many trips up to Oak Glen ... the home of Susan Anton!
I once snuck onto her families property to go fishing in their pond. Got a bad case of stinging nettles!
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freetoken Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:33:01pm |
From last year:
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:33:14pm |
re: #195 wlewisiii
Oh, fun. I get shit on a regular basis from my step mother about being an Episcopalian. Of course her little church is listed on several cult watch web sites so I must be biased...
My cousin and his husband are Episcopalians, sort of. Well, technically, they're just hanging out until the Catholic Church gets its act together about teh ghey.
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ElCapitanAmerica Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:33:18pm |
re: #187 reuven
And there are people on the right who don't regard the LDS Church as Christian. (As a non-Christian, it's not for me to decide, so I have No Opinion. I accept their self-classification.)
Ecumenically it's not as simple as an American liberal/conservative political thing, but fundamentally about theology. Mainstream Christianity doesn't accept two big Churches who call themselves Christian, the Jehovah's Witnesses (because they reject the divinity of Christ) and the Mormon Church because of many reasons but one of the main ones is that it's not strictly monotheistic.
That's why I laugh when I see all these discussions about Obama's religion and how un-Christian he seems. He's more Christian under mainstream definition than Romney or Beck.
On the polytheistic nature of Mormonism, some could even make the argument that Islam is more compatible with Christianity than Mormonism (they're both monotheistic) which is kind of ironic when you see Beck talk about the subject.
Don't mean this as an insult to Mormons and how they self classify, just putting this into the context of why Romney may have problems. However in the end, if he does make it to the nomination, I expect a lot of people to overlook these ideas even if they are fundamental to them in the first place.
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Capitalist Tool Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:33:25pm |
re: #209 ProLifeLiberal
Good News from Syria! Just popped up in the Twitter Feed:
A number of us seem to be in OK. I'm there 7.5-8 months of the year. This isn't one of them.
yep
right slap out in the big middle of the universe
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palomino Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:33:29pm |
re: #214 recusancy
He's currently in the process of flip flopping.
I guess that means he IS running.
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Velvet Elvis Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:34:33pm |
re: #201 palomino
So you don't think the 90% drop in stock value or 25% unemployment may have cost him the 1932 election?
I think if he'd responded correctly and accepted the institutional problems of American capitalism at the time rather than keeping his blinders on, he could have been much more effective and been reelected.
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ElCapitanAmerica Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:34:34pm |
re: #192 Charles
It's entirely possible that the GOP's corrupt owners will succeed in propping up Mitt Romney to be the GOP candidate. But the base absolutely hates him.
The "base" absolutely (with passion) hated McCain too.
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celticdragon Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:34:38pm |
re: #216 freetoken
From last year:
Sounds like something the wicked witch could skywrite from her broom! ;)
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ProGunLiberal Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:34:53pm |
re: #218 ElCapitanAmerica
Thank you for saying this. I was afraid of offending people on here and kept quiet.
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palomino Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:34:54pm |
re: #210 albusteve
sure why not?...but the subject was Romney
Right, but the conventional wisdom suddenly is that Romney is the only reasonable candidate who could appeal to independents next year and beat Obama. Most of the people who have announced so far are clowns, but Romney isn't the ONLY hope.
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Capitalist Tool Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:35:13pm |
re: #213 Mr Pancakes
Where do you hang yer hat when you're here?
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William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:35:45pm |
re: #211 SanFranciscoZionist
If Joe Lieberman wears tzitzit, he doesn't wear them out--otherwise the subject would have come up a long time ago.
Hmm. (snoops on Wiki) Cool, hadn't heard of that bit before. Thanks for the "learned something new" bit for today :D
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The Shadow Do Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:35:47pm |
re: #189 Charles
The GOP fumbled the ball. The Dems are running it back.
so to speak.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:36:06pm |
re: #47 NJDhockeyfan
Is there such a thing as an honest politician?
Yes, but only in fictional sketch comedy.
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elizajane Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:36:18pm |
OT from other thread, but even the New York Times editorial page has called for Weiner's resignation if it turns out that he broke any House rules, and basically suggests that he not be reelected in any case.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
The unkindest cut of all....
On that note, good night all!
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:36:21pm |
re: #226 Capitalist Tool
Where do you hang yer hat when you're here?
Chula Vista CA.......... south of San Diego, just north of Tijuana.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:36:26pm |
re: #225 palomino
Right, but the conventional wisdom suddenly is that Romney is the only reasonable candidate who could appeal to independents next year and beat Obama. Most of the people who have announced so far are clowns, but Romney isn't the ONLY hope.
whatever...I was responding to another post
you insight is duly noted
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ProGunLiberal Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:36:28pm |
The Stalker site was following me on Twitter.
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theheat Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:36:46pm |
re: #216 freetoken
You can bet Romney's penciling in every nutbag religious Right family values heartland Real Americans™ function he can cram in his schedule between now and when the nomination for POTUS is made. And he'll sit through those braindead hatefests with a smile on his plastic face.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:37:24pm |
re: #233 ProLifeLiberal
The Stalker site was following me on Twitter.
so you finally made it?...was it hard?
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:37:51pm |
re: #215 celticdragon
I once snuck onto her families property to go fishing in their pond. Got a bad case of stinging nettles!
My sister lives in Redlands........ God I love Redlands in the fall.
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celticdragon Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:38:21pm |
re: #234 theheat
You can bet Romney's penciling in every nutbag religious Right family values heartland Real Americans™ function he can cram in his schedule between now and when the nomination for POTUS is made. And he'll sit through those braindead hatefests with a smile on his plastic face.
I keep looking for the pullstring with the plastic loop that must be sticking out of his back. Pull on it and you get a canned talking point quote.
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ProGunLiberal Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:38:26pm |
re: #235 albusteve
Good to know I was pissing them off somehow. Wonder how I got their attention.
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palomino Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:38:49pm |
re: #221 Conservative Moonbat
I think if he'd responded correctly and accepted the institutional problems of American capitalism at the time rather than keeping his blinders on, he could have been much more effective and been reelected.
Hoover was a Coolidge "business of America is business" acolyte. Very unlikely that he would have responded forcefully like FDR did. Anyway, my point was that Carter and Bush Sr. probably didn't really have that much to do with the crappy economies that faced them at election time, but still paid the price because that's the way it works...you get the credit, you get the blame. Things were MUCH worse during Hoover's term and he lost one of the biggest landslides in history; hard to imagine him not getting the blame for the worst economic crisis in our history that started on his watch.
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William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:38:52pm |
re: #217 SanFranciscoZionist
My cousin and his husband are Episcopalians, sort of. Well, technically, they're just hanging out until the Catholic Church gets its act together about teh ghey.
That's cool. We're basically catholic lite anyway - all the ritual & half the guilt. Our biggest growth (and it's some serious numbers) is in former Roman Catholics. Though we have our own foibles, to put it mildly.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:38:53pm |
re: #222 ElCapitanAmerica
The "base" absolutely (with passion) hated McCain too.
Which works against Romney. The base sees both as RINOs, and that the fool me once rule applies. Plus McCain at least had a war record, and wasn't from a NE liberal state. With healthcare reform and flops on gay rights and abortion, Romney has much more baggage than McCain did. It's a testament to the weakness of the field that he's even in the running.
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Velvet Elvis Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:38:57pm |
re: #230 elizajane
OT from other thread, but even the New York Times editorial page has called for Weiner's resignation if it turns out that he broke any House rules, and basically suggests that he not be reelected in any case.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
The unkindest cut of all...
On that note, good night all!
Damn that bastion of the liberal media.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:39:03pm |
re: #236 Mr Pancakes
My sister lives in Redlands... God I love Redlands in the fall.
MI in the fall is utterly gorgeous...my home turf
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celticdragon Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:39:51pm |
re: #236 Mr Pancakes
My sister lives in Redlands... God I love Redlands in the fall.
Redlands University is beautiful. I finally got to take my wife and son up to Big Bear last summer.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:39:54pm |
re: #81 Rightwingconspirator
I would hope that would not be the critical issue. After all if we are at a place we can elect & re elect an African American, utterly unthinkable a decade or two ago?
We got past Kennedys religion long ago. It's an ethical setback if his religion is what really drags him down.
No, Mormon is the new Catholic. No WAY he gets elected, today.
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Capitalist Tool Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:40:01pm |
re: #209 ProLifeLiberal
So sorry, meant to ask you where you stay in Oklahoma when you're here.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:40:47pm |
re: #244 celticdragon
Redlands University is beautiful. I finally got to take my wife and son up to Big Bear last summer.
I always wondered where Redlands was
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:40:48pm |
re: #220 palomino
I guess that means he IS running.
Flippity-floppity, here they come,
Radioactive, but looking to run...
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celticdragon Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:41:24pm |
Goodnite, Lizards. Late here in North Carolina.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:42:14pm |
re: #238 ProLifeLiberal
Good to know I was pissing them off somehow. Wonder how I got their attention.
I think you nic alone would make them tie themselves up in knots.
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ProGunLiberal Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:42:38pm |
re: #246 Capitalist Tool
Norman. Otherwise known as the town in the Tornado Proof Bubble. Only one Tornado (last year at finals) went through Norman in the past 122 years.
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Capitalist Tool Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:42:40pm |
re: #249 celticdragon
Goodnite, Lizards. Late here in North Carolina.
listening to: Eurhythmics- Sweet Dreams Are Made Of This
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palomino Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:43:26pm |
re: #232 albusteve
whatever...I was responding to another post
you insight is duly noted
thanks...whatever....yours too...noted and re-noted
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:43:45pm |
re: #244 celticdragon
Redlands University is beautiful. I finally got to take my wife and son up to Big Bear last summer.
I loved Big Bear......... I went there as a kid...... then I went about 10 years ago to find it has all the fast food outlets now....... it's a good size town.
Not what I remembered from my childhood.
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The Shadow Do Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:43:55pm |
I too am out.
The crazy season is in full swing. I treat it now as a spectator sport.
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Capitalist Tool Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:44:08pm |
re: #251 ProLifeLiberal
Norman. Otherwise known as the town in the Tornado Proof Bubble. Only one Tornado (last year at finals) went through Norman in the past 122 years.
Nearly got hit a couple of weeks ago... unfortunately, a few people were killed south, northwest and north of town.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:44:27pm |
re: #252 Capitalist Tool
listening to: Eurhythmics- Sweet Dreams Are Made Of This
I thought it was "Sweet cream is made of peas".
I really should start reading the j-cards.
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ProGunLiberal Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:44:41pm |
re: #250 Slumbering Behemoth
Even through half of it is now an artifact. I ran off of meanings from 5-6 years ago when doing that, thinking the meaning couldn't have changed that much (I was wrong).
If I were to sign up today, I would probably be "IslamicLiberal" or something along those lines.
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:44:42pm |
re: #256 Capitalist Tool
Nearly got hit a couple of weeks ago... unfortunately, a few people were killed south, northwest and north of town.
I'm in Norman also
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albusteve Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:44:58pm |
re: #253 palomino
thanks...whatever...yours too...noted and re-noted
heh...you're pretty good I have to admit
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:45:42pm |
Thanks for the fun this evening. Going to bed. Later lizards!
Speaking of fun, this comment is funny...
Palestinians predict next Intifada will be non-violent
Talk of an outbreak of a third intifada (uprising) by the Palestinians against Israeli rule appears to be growing, but a growing number of voices predict that should it erupt, it would be a much more non-violent form of protest.
“If there will be a third intifada, I am not sure, but if there is a third Intifada, we will try to make it a non-violent intifada,” Ahmed Nazzal, a political science student at Al Quds University, told The Media Line.
I'll believe that when I see pigs flying over my house.
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Lidane Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:46:01pm |
Well, it's nice to know that Herman Cain has some standards:
Cain Says He Would Be Ok With Appointing Gay Cabinet Members Because They Wouldn’t Impose Sharia Law
Heh.
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Capitalist Tool Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:46:18pm |
re: #259 HoosierHoops
I'm in Norman also
Well, howdy!
Knew you were down there, just hadn't been around in a while... I always stay up way too late when I'm on here and miss sleep and such things as who's online at the time.
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ProGunLiberal Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:46:43pm |
re: #256 Capitalist Tool
Norman has some strange luck on this. I go to OU, by the way, which should explain why I am not there all the time. Go back in mid-August for final year.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:46:55pm |
re: #250 Slumbering Behemoth
I think you nic alone would make them tie themselves up in knots.
And the Muslim Factor.
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palomino Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:47:01pm |
re: #260 albusteve
heh...you're pretty good I have to admit
don't admit anything, it's a sign of weakness
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Capitalist Tool Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:47:02pm |
speakin' o' missing sleep- armageddon outta here.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:47:31pm |
re: #258 ProLifeLiberal
Even through half of it is now an artifact. I ran off of meanings from 5-6 years ago when doing that, thinking the meaning couldn't have changed that much (I was wrong).
If I were to sign up today, I would probably be "IslamicLiberal" or something along those lines.
That would make the the Stalkers HYSTERICAL. It would be proof. PROOF!!!!
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albusteve Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:49:11pm |
re: #266 palomino
don't admit anything, it's a sign of weakness
not anymore for me...style has become important to me in my old age
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:49:13pm |
re: #265 SanFranciscoZionist
And the Muslim Factor.
Ah, I was completely unaware of that. I pay very little attention to other people's religious affiliations unless and until they shove it in my face.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:49:58pm |
re: #262 Lidane
Well, it's nice to know that Herman Cain has some standards:
Cain Says He Would Be Ok With Appointing Gay Cabinet Members Because They Wouldn’t Impose Sharia Law
Heh.
I cannot look at that headline without laughing. It's not funny. But it's hilarious.
At least Cain is slightly more in touch with reality than Newt, who seems to think gays and sharia go together like love and marriage.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:51:51pm |
re: #257 Slumbering Behemoth
I thought it was "Sweet cream is made of peas".
I really should start reading the j-cards.
Marilyn Manson does a cover
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albusteve Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:52:06pm |
smile when you smack me...let's not forget our manners
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funky chicken Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:53:15pm |
Wow. I just spent a fair amount of time with The Google, and I can't find any pics of the "old" Mrs. Gingrich. The oldest one I found was in 2008, and most of the transformation was already done.
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palomino Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:53:54pm |
re: #269 albusteve
not anymore for me...style has become important to me in my old age
Ahh, you're a fashionista elitist. Should have known.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:54:27pm |
Gotta bail for a bit. BBW.
In the mean time, kudos to you Charles for this Maddow shout out. LGF has been getting a lot of outside attention the last couple of days, and for good reasons.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:54:41pm |
re: #233 ProLifeLiberal
The Stalker site was following me on Twitter.
The fan club! They're even a fan of my costumes! They wear costumes too, apparently, they dress up like blog hells-angels, put on fake beards and play with guns
We're really all the same under the skin :D
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Lidane Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:54:50pm |
BTW, I just read spoilers for that "pro-life" horror film. It's even worse than I initially thought:
The pregnant women are often tortured by dreams of death and despair - montages of swarming bees, swirling tornadoes and speeches by Hitler one night, African-Americans and foreigners shouting "abort me" in foreign tongues the next - while Dr. Wise experiences flashbacks to the dissolution of her marriage which fell apart when she learned she couldn't bear children. Her parents cursed her for not taking better care of her body, a poor diet, too much work, while her husband - The Karate Kid's bad sensei Martin Kove - divorces her, leaving her for a woman capable of having his children, a moment that pushes Dr. Wise to desperate measures.
Finally two of the three women come to accept human life exists inside them and less anxiously anticipate giving birth. But Staci still refuses to accept that the life inside her is anything more than a fetus. In her third trimester she attempts to injure herself and miscarry. It has unintended consequences.
All three women deliver and finally the first of the plot's twists are revealed. Staci, most opposed to pregnancy, is blessed with two children - twins - while her fellow captives only give birth to one baby each.
Later, Staci wakes up. The two new mothers are no longer captives, they've presumably ascended to heaven with their babies. It's revealed all along the women had been in Purgatory, after having died on the operating table of abortion clinics. But because Staci attempted to miscarry even after a second chance at motherhood, and because she never accepted the error of her ways until she experienced the physical joy of giving birth, of seeing her children for the first time, she will be doomed to eternity in Hell.
Loggia is Satan and he informs Staci she will spend all eternity in a cycle of pregnancy and childbirth and Dr. Wise will forever be her doctor, as the movie's final twist plays out: Wise too will spend eternity in Hell. She was so weak she committed suicide when her marriage collapsed and must suffer the fate of forever bringing life into the world, endlessly having to appreciate what she did not value on Earth.
[Link: www.nj.com...]
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albusteve Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:55:10pm |
you wanna feel good?
here you can...
are you an American?
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ElCapitanAmerica Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:55:12pm |
Laters, 2 1/2 hour car trip to work tomorrow.
My head kind of hurts from people trying to rewrite Paul Revere history, must sleep ...
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ProGunLiberal Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:55:16pm |
Another joke became real on Saturday, from Guardian:
At 1.04am on Saturday, the pilot of an Apache helicopter-gunship hidden in the inky black sky, pressed the trigger of the 30mm cannon, bringing down concentrated fire on a pick-up truck and ripping it open.
This reminds me of this:
If your pro-Qaddafi and driving in Libya, be prepared to be apprehended by an Apache with a 30mm autocannon.
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Max Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:55:19pm |
re: #192 Charles
It's entirely possible that the GOP's corrupt owners will succeed in propping up Mitt Romney to be the GOP candidate. But the base absolutely hates him.
Who are the GOP's owners?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:55:23pm |
re: #278 Lidane
Maybe they can do a drive-in double feature with 'The Omega Code"
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webevintage Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:56:37pm |
re: #181 NJDhockeyfan
Crazy floods and big ass tornadoes come around every Spring as far as I can remember. The violent storms from this spring isn't going to guarantee Obama a second term.
I have NEVER spent as much time in our storm shelter as I have in the last two years.
Normally one or two times a year.
I can not count on two hands how often we have gotten in the shelter this year for tornado warnings in our county.
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palomino Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:56:48pm |
re: #279 albusteve
you wanna feel good?
here you can...
are you an American?[Video]
That song "One (is the Loneliest Number)" was my favorite when I was like 3. Must have been a huge chart topper in 69-70.
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albusteve Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:57:34pm |
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:58:42pm |
re: #285 palomino
That song "One (is the Loneliest Number)" was my favorite when I was like 3. Must have been a huge chart topper in 69-70.
Born on the Bayou about the same time. Both those songs bring me back.
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palomino Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:59:00pm |
re: #286 albusteve
argyle...bet me
loved argyle sox and sweaters in the 80's. wore the hell out of em.
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funky chicken Mon, Jun 6, 2011 9:59:54pm |
re: #278 Lidane
BTW, I just read spoilers for that "pro-life" horror film. It's even worse than I initially thought:
[Link: www.nj.com...]
Can you imagine acting in a piece of crap like that? Of course I say the same thing about the Saw movies.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jun 6, 2011 10:00:23pm |
re: #158 freetoken
Wow... LGF blew through the 200,000 page-view mark a few minutes ago.
Not bad for a blog that was going down the "drain of irrelevance".
It's such a shame that I've "finally lost all credibility."
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albusteve Mon, Jun 6, 2011 10:00:46pm |
re: #285 palomino
That song "One (is the Loneliest Number)" was my favorite when I was like 3. Must have been a huge chart topper in 69-70.
my daughter helped produce that vid...Rodger Ebert called it the greatest music vid ever made on PBS the other day...dig that
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palomino Mon, Jun 6, 2011 10:01:56pm |
re: #291 albusteve
my daughter helped produce that vid...Rodger Ebert called it the greatest music vid ever made on PBS the other day...dig that
cool, i gotta check it out then
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albusteve Mon, Jun 6, 2011 10:04:55pm |
re: #292 palomino
cool, i gotta check it out then
other cities have done lipdubs...but this one puts them all to shame
Grand Rapids MI
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makeitstop Mon, Jun 6, 2011 10:04:58pm |
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Eclectic Infidel Mon, Jun 6, 2011 10:08:48pm |
re: #136 Summer
For how long have you lived in France? What was the road that led you to becoming a French citizen?
(I have nothing against France btw, nor one who becomes a citizen. I never jumped on the anti-France bandwagon.)
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Mon, Jun 6, 2011 10:10:48pm |
Morning all!
How goes it?
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funky chicken Mon, Jun 6, 2011 10:11:50pm |
re: #296 ggt
Good! But it's bedtime, so good night :-).
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Mon, Jun 6, 2011 10:12:32pm |
re: #280 ElCapitanAmerica
Laters, 2 1/2 hour car trip to work tomorrow.
My head kind of hurts from people trying to rewrite Paul Revere history, must sleep ...
History is written by the victors. Then re-written by historians, archaeologists and politicians.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jun 6, 2011 10:22:03pm |
re: #278 Lidane
BTW, I just read spoilers for that "pro-life" horror film. It's even worse than I initially thought:
[Link: www.nj.com...]
WOW. Am I alone in not thinking that makes a person just glow over the miracle of life?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 6, 2011 10:22:35pm |
re: #295 eclectic infidel
the anti-france thing was one of the more hilarious episodes of our post 9/11 psychosis, sort of our comic relief crazy
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William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Jun 6, 2011 10:22:57pm |
Is there any computer experience finer than a "happy mac" in the center of a 9" B&W screen? 16 mhz of 68030 goodness & 32 mb RAM ... ;)
And with that pondering, I bid you good night.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 6, 2011 10:23:34pm |
re: #299 SanFranciscoZionist
WOW. Am I alone in not thinking that makes a person just glow over the miracle of life?
I predict this movie will be shown in arthouse beer theaters to bemused hipsters in my town within two years
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jun 6, 2011 10:23:57pm |
re: #301 wlewisiii
Is there any computer experience finer than a "happy mac" in the center of a 9" B&W screen? 16 mhz of 68030 goodness & 32 mb RAM ... ;)
And with that pondering, I bid you good night.
Atari ST, my friend, far finer :D
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Turkey Jihad Mon, Jun 6, 2011 10:28:57pm |
Rachel Maddow, if you were straight, I would soooo like to sleep with you.
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laZardo Mon, Jun 6, 2011 10:30:27pm |
re: #301 wlewisiii
Is there any computer experience finer than a "happy mac" in the center of a 9" B&W screen? 16 mhz of 68030 goodness & 32 mb RAM ... ;)
And with that pondering, I bid you good night.
Back in 3rd grade, when I was assigned to an advanced math class outside of the norm, I often honed my "mental math" skills on this program called Math Race on such a Mac.
Ah, happier days.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jun 6, 2011 11:10:57pm |
re: #278 Lidane
Fuuuck.
"It's like the Twilight Zone. Life, like pro-life; zone, like the Twilight Zone. And if you've seen Twilight Zone episodes, it punches you in the face in the end," Del Vecchio added, though he was quick to note he still felt the film's presentation of the issues was balanced. "I think the audience will walk away not knowing what the filmmaker's position is, it gives both sides of the coin."
Dude clearly has no understanding of Rod Serling or real life issues.
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