Poll: Obama Loses Bin Laden Bounce, but Palin’s Popularity Plummets

Sarah Palin’s midnight ride to obscurity
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This new Washington Post-ABC News poll was taken during the timeframe when Sarah Palin blathered out her absurdly botched version of Paul Revere’s ride; it’s hard to know how much effect those comments (and her subsequent doubling down on stupid) had, but whatever the reason, Palin is even losing the Republican base.

Almost two-thirds of all Americans say they “definitely would not” vote for Palin for president. She is predictably unpopular with Democrats and most independents, but the new survey underscores the hurdles she would face if she became a candidate: 42 percent of Republicans say they’ve ruled out supporting her candidacy.

All that spinning from the right wing blogosphere — wasted.

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1 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:17:05am

I blame this on Paul Revere warning Xerxes of the impending Martian attack on Alpha Centauri and the Lame Stream Media.
-Palin

2 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:17:43am

This was always going to be her fate. It was only a matter of time.

3 Ryan King  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:18:24am

She’s out-Bidening Biden.

4 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:18:50am

I’d like to see her, just once, without make-up. She’s too Foxified for me to take her seriously.

5 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:19:15am

re: #3 BigPapa

She’s out-Bidening Biden.

Indeed.
Come on Biden!
Say something silly!
Your rep is at stake!
:)

6 Kragar  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:19:33am

I hope she keeps listening to the pundits and keeps running. We could use the laughs.

7 Ryan King  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:21:14am

For all crap Biden got during the last campaign, Palin has lapped him many times over. She’s plastic and stupid.

8 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:21:14am

Good. I can’t picture Palin sitting in the WH.

Obama’s poll numbers still dropping…expected.

9 Iwouldprefernotto  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:23:19am

Obama’s numbers are down because the economy sucks. Palin’s are down because she is mean and stupid. Which is easier to fix?

10 Kragar  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:23:53am

re: #9 Iwouldprefernotto

Obama’s numbers are down because the economy sucks. Palin’s are down because she is mean and stupid. Which is easier to fix?

That depends. Can Palin keep her mouth shut for a while?

11 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:24:11am

re: #10 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

That depends. Can Palin keep her mouth shut for a while?

No. Hence, the current situation.

12 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:24:27am

re: #10 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

That depends. Can Palin keep her mouth shut for a while?

Does the pope wear a speedo?
/

13 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:24:28am

re: #8 NJDhockeyfan

Good. I can’t picture Palin sitting in the WH.

Obama’s poll numbers still dropping…expected.

I expect they’ll continue to decrease…. right up until the point where the Republicans give him actual opponent to campaign argue against and in the process reveal just how crazy pants they are at the moment.

14 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:25:16am

re: #9 Iwouldprefernotto

Obama’s numbers are down because the economy sucks. Palin’s are down because she is mean and stupid. Which is easier to fix?

There is a Winston Churchill (?) quote in there somewhere… .

15 Flounder  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:25:26am

re: #12 Varek Raith
C’mon, hes naked under that robe

16 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:26:48am

I think the polls at this point come down to one thing:

IT’S THE ECONOMY - STUPID.

Obama got a bounce from OBL’s death, but the economy is an overarching issue and with people seeing a moribund real estate market, and Wall Street is currently mired in a multiweek loss, people are focused less on Afghanistan, Pakistan, the WOT, or Iraq and more on their pocketbook.

Obama’s got to do something to motivate the economy, but that’s far easier said than done with the GOP moving to block any further stimulus on grounds that the last stimulus failed (and some like Krugman claim that it failed because it was of insufficient size and duration). No easy fixes are on the horizon, and the real estate markets in many parts of the country still need to correct to reflect more accurate pricing due to inventory and foreclosures pressuring prices even lower.

Palin’s stupidity shows no signs of stopping, and while her gaffes keep her in the media spotlight, it doesn’t help when she can’t formulate any policy options that would improve the economy either. Empty platitudes on her part. Eh…

17 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:27:32am

What has Palin ever done for any economy accepting her own personal bank account?

18 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:28:23am

Bachmann is the new Palin

19 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:29:14am

re: #17 ggt

What has Palin ever done for any economy accepting her own personal bank account?

It would not surprise me to see 419 scams coming from “Sarah Palin” like the one I got yesterday from “Suha Arafat”

20 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:29:18am

re: #1 Varek Raith

I blame this on Paul Revere warning Xerxes of the impending Martian attack on Alpha Centauri and the Lame Stream Media.
-Palin

Sheesh! Everyone knows Xerxes was the leader of the Xylons and it was they, not the Martians, who sacked the militia stores around Alpha Centauri.

21 rwdflynavy  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:29:29am

I think Sarah Palin should chuck it all and write history books full time.//

22 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:29:42am

Meanwhile, the Associated Press covers the Wikipedia editing and completely ignores the fact that LGF broke the story:

abcnews.go.com

23 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:29:48am

re: #13 jamesfirecat

I expect they’ll continue to decrease… right up until the point where the Republicans give him actual opponent to campaign argue against and in the process reveal just how crazy pants they are at the moment.

Obama poll numbers dropping against magical fairy Ronald Reagan!


Oh wait, you mean he’s running against an ACTUAL republican? Oh shit landslide

24 rwdflynavy  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:30:08am

re: #22 Charles

Meanwhile, the Associated Press covers the Wikipedia editing and completely ignores the fact that LGF broke the story:

[Link: abcnews.go.com…]

Those nasty bloggers.
//

25 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:30:26am

re: #16 lawhawk

Oh, tied to the economy is the fact that we’re also experiencing higher energy costs, higher food costs, and cost of living increases all while wages aren’t keeping pace.

26 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:30:59am

My fondest wish is that it’s Santorum or Bachmann who gets the nod


Oh what a day that would be heehee, the frothy mixture runs for preznit

27 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:32:10am

re: #22 Charles

Meanwhile, the Associated Press covers the Wikipedia editing and completely ignores the fact that LGF broke the story:

[Link: abcnews.go.com…]

Did you enlighten them?

28 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:32:23am

re: #25 lawhawk

Oh, tied to the economy is the fact that we’re also experiencing higher energy costs, higher food costs, and cost of living increases all while wages aren’t keeping pace.

I think this might be a bigger factor than the current housing slump, to be honest. People are getting hit hard by basic cost-of-living costs and businesses aren’t able to pay enough to increase discretionary spending. There’s got to be some money injected into that cycle somewhere.

29 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:32:48am

re: #22 Charles

Meanwhile, the Associated Press covers the Wikipedia editing and completely ignores the fact that LGF broke the story:

[Link: abcnews.go.com…]

CBS gives you credit…sort of…

Credit goes to Charles Johnson who busted this story wide open over at Little Green Footballs. But the person who first caught the attempted edits was @darrelljames.

30 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:32:53am

re: #16 lawhawk

maybe America deserves a Republican president this time around, finish the country off once and for all, haha

President Bachmann! How would you handle the food riots?

LET THEM EAT QUEERS

31 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:33:26am

re: #28 thedopefishlives

I think this might be a bigger factor than the current housing slump, to be honest. People are getting hit hard by basic cost-of-living costs and businesses aren’t able to pay enough to increase discretionary spending. There’s got to be some money injected into that cycle somewhere.

Since the congress is tied up with Republican control right now I think the only hope we have of injecting more money into the system right now is for the fed to step in….

32 prairiefire  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:34:02am

I would like to put this 42% in the same room as the 17% who do support her.
*Kaboom*

33 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:34:02am

later all!

Have a great day.

34 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:34:38am

re: #28 thedopefishlives

I think this might be a bigger factor than the current housing slump, to be honest. People are getting hit hard by basic cost-of-living costs and businesses aren’t able to pay enough to increase discretionary spending. There’s got to be some money injected into that cycle somewhere.

well, when the GOP’s presidential chances depend on them sabotaging the economy further, good luck with that :-)


Housing market will not recover. Not in any way we’ll recognize. We got played by wall street, it’s damaged for a decade at least.

35 prairiefire  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:34:59am

re: #32 prairiefire

I would like to put this 42% in the same room as the 17% who do support her.
*Kaboom*

Maybe this is what happened in the clan castles of Scotland.

36 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:35:48am

re: #26 WindUpBird

Neither will get the nomination. Will.Not.Happen.

Both are polling poorly even among the GOP, and Intrade gives ‘em little chance. Santorum gets 1.1% chance; Bachmann gets a 5.6%. That compares to Romney who gets nearly 30% or Pawlenty who gets about 20%. Heck, Huntsman gets 15%. Palin gets 7.2%.

Christie who keeps saying he isn’t running, has a 3% chance of winning the nomination for comparison’s sake.

37 Lidane  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:36:46am

re: #26 WindUpBird

My fondest wish is that it’s Santorum or Bachmann who gets the nod

Oh what a day that would be heehee, the frothy mixture runs for preznit

Dan Savage would become even more of a must-read than usual. Heh.

Pailin’s a joke, Bachmann is crazy, Santorum is frothy and irrelevant, Cain is out of his league, Gingrich is hated by other Republicans, Luap Nor is an also-ran, and Huntsman is too unknown by most people. That leaves Romney, and he’s damaged goods for the base because of his flip flops, health care, and being a Mormon.

The GOP desperately needs a house cleaning and new ideas.

38 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:37:21am

re: #36 lawhawk

Romney has to get a whole lot of bigoted evangelical christians to go against their indoctrination and campaign for a mormon! Not just vote: CAMPAIGN. Utah ain’t gonna cut it.


How do you propose to deprogram the evangelical base of the Republican party? Perhaps you have a wizard hat? :-)

39 ElCapitanAmerica  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:37:52am

Palin is a fun target but the real news here is that the election won’t be a slam dunk for the president.

His reelection hinges on the Republican primaries. If Republicans don’t get their act together and cator to the extra right wing they will lose. However, if they are more flexible, they have a good shot.

Right?

Well the problem with this line of thougt is that that’s exactly the calculus that took place last time and got McCain nominated and it didn’t yield a win. It also made McCain less appealing because he had to contort to appease the more conservative side of the party.

I have a feeling many in the republican party don’t want another McCain situaition. But who is the serious “true” conservative candidate? That candidate has yet to show up, so it’s very hard to poll or predict at his point.

One thing is clear, democrats should not get overconfident.

40 SidewaysQuark  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:38:00am

re: #34 WindUpBird


Housing market will not recover. Not in any way we’ll recognize. We got played by wall street, it’s damaged for a decade at least.

Of course it won’t. It was called a bubble for a reason. The only way for a bubble to “recover” is to blow up another bubble.

It will be a long hard climb for the economy. But it will happen (and is happening) - Americans still want to work and produce, and this will come around in our favor.

41 makeitstop  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:38:01am

Speaking of Pawlenty - who the hell is running his campaign?

Pawlenty To Propose ‘Better Deal’ — And ‘Google Test’ To Eliminate Programs

Pawlenty’s proposals, according to excerpts released by his campaign, would involve drastic slashing of tax rates: The corporate tax rate would be reduced from 35% to 15%, and the income tax would now take up only two brackets of 10% and 25%.

Pawlenty would in turn drastically cut spending, including some possible cuts or privatizations/eliminations of services that people have taken for granted: “There are some obvious targets. We can start by applying what I call ‘The Google Test.’ If you can find a good or service on the Internet, then the federal government probably doesn’t need to be doing it. The post office, the government printing office, Amtrak, Fannie and Freddie, were all built for a time in our country when the private sector did not adequately provide those products. That’s no longer the case.”

‘Google test???’ Ohhhh-kayyyy….

42 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:38:12am

re: #37 Lidane

it’s a broken party, but broken stuff can do a ton of damage

43 Four More Tears  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:38:46am

Great line by Dan Savage:

“H]ere’s the inevitable “professional help” question: Is he going to seek professional help. Because horniness is an illness. …

A reporter asks if Weiner was drinking or using drugs—if he has a problem—because the only way a man could get caught up in online flirting/sexting relationships is if he had a drinking problem. This desire to pathologize behavior that isn’t sick—that is, indeed, very common—is completely pathological. Wiener does not have a problem. He has a computer. “

44 Lidane  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:39:31am

re: #16 lawhawk

I think the polls at this point come down to one thing:

IT’S THE ECONOMY - STUPID.

It’s always been the economy. People ultimately vote with their pocketbooks. If the economy improves enough by November 2012, or if it becomes even more obvious than normal that the GOP are blocking every attempt to fix things, then Obama might well get a second term. If things get worse and the GOP don’t run a complete raving lunatic, he might well lose.

45 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:39:56am

re: #43 JasonA

if he’s seeking professional help for that? Then I probably should be headed to the electric chair, hahaha

46 SidewaysQuark  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:40:14am

re: #39 ElCapitanAmerica


Well the problem with this line of thougt is that that’s exactly the calculus that took place last time and got McCain nominated and it didn’t yield a win. It also made McCain less appealing because he had to contort to appease the more conservative side of the party.

Not so sure about that. Had McCain run as the McCain we all knew, (you know, the one who actually lambasted the Religious Right back in 2000), and picked a moderate running mate, maybe, just maybe, he could have pulled it off, I think.

47 Four More Tears  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:40:58am

re: #41 makeitstop

Fine. Get rid of the USPS. I just don’t want to hear the rural folk whining about how it costs them five bucks to mail a letter (if at all) afterwards.

48 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:41:16am

re: #44 Lidane

If things get worse and the GOP don’t run a complete raving lunatic, he might well lose.

Yeah, about that. I don’t think they HAVE anyone who isn’t a complete raving lunatic. Not saying he should rest on his laurels; I could use me some economic stimulus, having a 40-mile drive (one way) to work every day hurts. But it’s highly unlikely his opposition will mount any form of serious threat.

49 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:41:27am

re: #41 makeitstop

The post office?

Seriously?

50 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:41:53am

re: #44 Lidane

I’m pretty sure things will get worse, myself, because I think we’ve done economic damage to this country at the hands of Wall Street and multinationals we’re still uncovering. but I don’t think that means Obama will lose, because the GOP is psycho and broken

Gonna be a fun election season!

51 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:41:59am

re: #38 WindUpBird

Obliviate!

52 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:42:05am

Call it a Palin double-dip. First blood libel, now Reveregate.

53 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:42:08am

Lots and lots of hate mail yesterday and last night — looks like about 20 raging right wing haters spewing insults.

I think I’ll put up a post with just the insults from these idiots.

54 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:42:15am

re: #44 Lidane

It’s always been the economy. People ultimately vote with their pocketbooks. If the economy improves enough by November 2012, or if it becomes even more obvious than normal that the GOP are blocking every attempt to fix things, then Obama might well get a second term. If things get worse and the GOP don’t run a complete raving lunatic, he might well lose.

A corollary if you will “people ultimately TRY to vote with their pocketbooks.”

Or to put it another way….

John Dickinson: Don’t forget that most men with nothing would rather protect the possibility of becoming rich than face the reality of being poor.

-1776

55 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:42:19am

This is interesting. NPR fact-checks Palin with a professor:

How Accurate Were Palin’s Paul Revere Comments?

Sarah Palin caused a colonial-era commotion last week with comments she made in Boston about Paul Revere’s famous ride. Melissa Block speaks with Robert Allison, a professor and historian at Suffolk University about Palin’s comments to see just how historically accurate they were.

…BLOCK: So you think basically, on the whole, Sarah Palin got her history right.

Prof. ALLISON: Well, yeah, she did. And remember, she is a politician. She’s not an historian. And God help us when historians start acting like politicians, and I suppose when politicians start writing history.

BLOCK: Are there other historians, Professor, whom you’ve talked with who say you’re being entirely too charitable towards Sarah Palin here, and she really did misread American…

Prof. ALLISON: I haven’t talked to many - well, I don’t know. I mean, I haven’t talked to too many historians today. And, you know, Sarah Palin is a lightning rod. I just was thinking about how many times, you know, I’ve spoken about Paul Revere. I’ve organized events about the American Revolution. No one ever pays any attention. Suddenly, Sarah Palin comes to town, makes an off-the-cuff remark about what she learned, and suddenly, you’re calling me to find out what I think about Paul Revere and the American Revolution.

This professor says Palin was right?

56 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:42:42am

re: #41 makeitstop

Wasn’t Pawlenty supposed to be one of the smart ones? hahaha

57 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:43:10am

re: #53 Charles

Lots and lots of hate mail yesterday and last night — looks like about 20 raging right wing haters spewing insults.

I think I’ll put up a post with just the insults from these idiots.

Woohoo! Fresh seething and rage! Just what I needed to perk up the work day.

58 Lidane  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:43:47am
“If you can find a good or service on the Internet, then the federal government probably doesn’t need to be doing it. The post office, the government printing office, Amtrak, Fannie and Freddie, were all built for a time in our country when the private sector did not adequately provide those products. That’s no longer the case.”

I would love to see the fallout of getting rid of the post office. Yes, e-mail is nifty and useful, but there’s far more to the post office than just letters.

Also, Joe Biden would be the attack dog on Amtrak, which would be a hoot.

59 ausador  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:43:52am

Everything we know about Palin’s actual time spent in elected office indicates that she is knee-jerk vindictive, pathologically mean, and extremely petty. Electing Palin would be far worse than re-electing Nixon was, because we only found out about Nixon’s disdain for the legal rules, paranoia, and vindictiveness after the fact. We already know enough about Palin to imagine exactly what a term in office by her would be like.

With the power of the Office of President behind her does anyone really believe that she would abide by the rule of law? Considering her disdain for reading, science, logic, history, and pretty much everything not contained between the covers of the Bible I doubt she really has much of a clue what the law really is anyway.

Voting for Sarah Palin is akin to voting a strutting and petty tyrant into office, unfortunately a small minority actually seems to like that idea.

60 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:44:17am

re: #55 NJDhockeyfan

This is apparently one of the only historians who believes Palin was “right.” I posted this yesterday:

littlegreenfootballs.com

But if you really want to keep grasping at straws, don’t let me stop you.

61 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:44:34am

re: #53 Charles

Lots and lots of hate mail yesterday and last night — looks like about 20 raging right wing haters spewing insults.

I think I’ll put up a post with just the insults from these idiots.

You should. Though, that will probably generate more rwnj insults.

62 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:44:49am

re: #48 thedopefishlives

I actually think Obama should run his campaign as if the planet depended on it, and just ruin whoever he’s running against, I think it’d be good for the country to see Obama campaigning tirelessly and a brutal landslide

it’d be a good message to the GOP

63 jhrhv  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:46:20am

As crazy and uneducated as Palin comes off she isn’t nearly crazy and uneducated/stupid enough to win the republican nomination in the current political climate.
/sarc sort of

64 Alexzander  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:47:20am

ign.com

New Wii being announced right now.

WiiU. heh

65 iossarian  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:47:31am

re: #60 Charles

This is apparently one of the only historians who believes Palin was “right.” I posted this yesterday:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

But if you really want to keep grasping at straws, don’t let me stop you.

The history isn’t settled! Teach the controversy!

66 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:47:46am

re: #64 Alexzander

[Link: www.ign.com…]

New Wii being announced right now.

WiiU. heh

Forget that.
SKYRIM!

67 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:47:53am

re: #60 Charles

This is apparently one of the only historians who believes Palin was “right.” I posted this yesterday:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

But if you really want to keep grasping at straws, don’t let me stop you.

I’m not grasping at all. I haven’t kept up with it anyway. I haven’t had the time but I did find it interesting that NPR had a historian on there essentially supporting Palin’s quotes.

68 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:48:12am

re: #66 Varek Raith

Forget that.
SKYRIM!

Screw that. Hail to the King, Baby.

69 Lidane  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:49:15am

re: #48 thedopefishlives

I could use me some economic stimulus, having a 40-mile drive (one way) to work every day hurts./blockquote>

Tell me about it. I’ve got a 25-mile commute each way for an unpaid internship, and my mom’s car is a PB (i.e., pre-bailout) Caddy, meaning the gas mileage is shit because GM didn’t care about trying to compete with Toyota and Nissan. Every tank of gas is another $50 out of my student loans. Owie.

70 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:49:22am

re: #59 ausador

Voting for Sarah Palin is akin to voting a strutting and petty tyrant into office, unfortunately a small minority actually seems to like that idea.

One would think the way she ran that silly bus tour would be a big hint on how she’d run a campaign. The Palinoids are banking on this new puff piece movie, but what do they think she’s going to do during a domestic or international crisis, shut out all news except Fox, give some rambling, barely-literate speech, then call it a job done?

71 ElCapitanAmerica  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:49:44am

Doesn’t the post office pay for itself, why is this even part of the argument on govt deficit spending??????

72 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:49:57am

3AM at the Palin White House

“Ok, General. another two hours and the Iranian nukes will be history? Great! Now, Colonel, I want you to get right over there and warn them not to mess with the airstrike we’ve got inbound from Diego Garcia.”

73 allegro  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:50:12am

re: #67 NJDhockeyfan

I’m not grasping at all. I haven’t kept up with it anyway. I haven’t had the time but I did find it interesting that NPR had a historian on there essentially supporting Palin’s quotes.

Is he looking for one of those Koch tenured professorships?

74 Four More Tears  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:50:13am

re: #67 NJDhockeyfan

I’m not grasping at all. I haven’t kept up with it anyway. I haven’t had the time but I did find it interesting that NPR had a historian on there essentially supporting Palin’s quotes.

Look hard enough and you’ll find scientists who deny global warming, too.

75 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:50:16am

re: #67 NJDhockeyfan

I’m not grasping at all. I haven’t kept up with it anyway. I haven’t had the time but I did find it interesting that NPR had a historian on there essentially supporting Palin’s quotes.

So much for lamestream liberal commie socialist media, then.

76 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:50:23am

re: #71 ElCapitanAmerica

Doesn’t the post office pay for itself, why is this even part of the argument on govt deficit spending???

The post office has been losing money for a long time.

77 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:50:37am

re: #69 Lidane

Sounds about right. $50/tank every 3 days here. I’m actually working now on getting an old Volkswagen that my father-in-law had bought for my wife (before she bought our current vehicle) running. At 50 mpg, even though the car is technically a POS, it’ll be worth the money and effort to get it on the road.

78 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:51:02am

re: #74 JasonA

Look hard enough and you’ll find scientists who deny global warming, too.

That won’t work on him.
He thinks it’s AGW is bunk.
;)

79 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:51:07am

re: #76 NJDhockeyfan

The post office has been losing money for a long time.

Where’s Moist von Lipwig when you need him?

80 iossarian  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:51:25am

re: #76 NJDhockeyfan

The post office has been losing money a popular state-provided service for a long time.

81 Four More Tears  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:51:48am

re: #71 ElCapitanAmerica

Doesn’t the post office pay for itself, why is this even part of the argument on govt deficit spending???

Nah, it’s bleeding money. That said, I really don’t think it’s one of the services that should be expected to turn a profit.

82 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:52:08am

re: #80 iossarian

Seriously.
Fed Ex and UPS combined couldn’t handle the load.

83 Lidane  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:52:13am

re: #66 Varek Raith

Forget that.
SKYRIM!

Well, yes. But Mass Effect 3, Star Wars: The Old Republic, and the Kinect features for Ghost Recon look awesome.

All I need now is for Microsoft to announce that they’re going to force Skype ot make a Windows Phone app and I’ll be thrilled.

84 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:53:16am

re: #82 Varek Raith

Seriously.
Fed Ex and UPS combined couldn’t handle the load.

I hear they are going to merge

New company name will be Fed Up!

85 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:53:20am

Now we’ve got “Paul Revere” denialists/revisionists. Only in America!

86 iossarian  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:53:24am

re: #82 Varek Raith

Seriously.
Fed Ex and UPS combined couldn’t handle the load.

I bet Amazon and other “new economy” businesses would be happy to step in with their own delivery provision services should the Post Office be eliminated.

/

87 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:53:40am

re: #83 Lidane

Well, yes. But Mass Effect 3, Star Wars: The Old Republic, and the Kinect features for Ghost Recon look awesome.

All I need now is for Microsoft to announce that they’re going to force Skype ot make a Windows Phone app and I’ll be thrilled.

After what Bioware did with Dragon Age 2, I’m hesitant to buy their games. I’ll wait and see.
:)

88 prairiefire  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:53:54am

re: #71 ElCapitanAmerica

Doesn’t the post office pay for itself, why is this even part of the argument on govt deficit spending???

The Post Office lost 8 Billion last year.

89 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:54:23am

re: #87 Varek Raith

After what Bioware did with Dragon Age 2, I’m hesitant to buy their games. I’ll wait and see.
:)

Actually, I was very pleased with the Mass Effect series. I’ll probably pick up ME3 at some point, assuming I ever get the cash. And after buying Skyrim for the Mrs. Fish.

90 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:55:14am

The Postal Service provides a service that no private entity would dare take on. Not unless you want to pay 5 bucks a letter.

91 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:55:14am

re: #69 Lidane

Tell me about it. I’ve got a 25-mile commute each way for an unpaid internship, and my mom’s car is a PB (i.e., pre-bailout) Caddy, meaning the gas mileage is shit because GM didn’t care about trying to compete with Toyota and Nissan. Every tank of gas is another $50 out of my student loans. Owie.

You’re going to have to bite the bullet so that the American Petroleum Industry can enjoy higher-than-ever-dreamed-of profit margins!
/37-mile commute here, thanks to highway construction

92 Four More Tears  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:55:33am

re: #87 Varek Raith

After what Bioware did with Dragon Age 2, I’m hesitant to buy their games. I’ll wait and see.
:)

That was an outlier. Most of what they do is fantastic.

93 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:55:57am

re: #92 JasonA

That was an outlier. Most of what they do is fantastic.

I believe em when DA 3 comes out.

94 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:55:59am

re: #88 prairiefire

The Post Office lost 8 Billion last year.

If I find any of it, do I get a finders fee??

95 Lidane  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:56:23am

re: #87 Varek Raith

After what Bioware did with Dragon Age 2, I’m hesitant to buy their games. I’ll wait and see.
:)

Mass Effect > Dragon Age. It’s worth it to play the games. Seriously.

Also, I’ve seen the Star Wars MMO, since my boyfriend was in the beta. It looks like fun. If he gets into another round of testing I’m going to get on his account and goof around with it.

96 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:56:42am

AP sources: Yemen leader hurt worse than thought, bomb said to be cause _ not rocket attack

Obama administration officials said Tuesday that Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh was more badly injured than thought in a blast at his compound last week, complicating the U.S. response to increased instability in a key battleground in the war against al-Qaida.

Saleh is receiving treatment in Saudi Arabia for burns covering some 40 percent of his body, three U.S. officials said. Yemen’s leader also is suffering from bleeding inside his skull, the officials said on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation.

One current and one former U.S. official also said Saleh had additional, significant injuries to his upper body. Those officials, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters, also said U.S. officials think the injuries were caused by a bomb inside his compound in the Yemeni capital, not a rocket attack from outside the compound walls. That conflicts with initial reports of the attack.

97 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:56:53am

Count on gasoline prices soaring next summer, peaking in late October, and count on a spate of reports/articles blaming it all on Obama’s “anti-energy” policies.

98 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:56:54am

re: #94 sattv4u2

If I find any of it, do I get a finders fee??

Nigerians have it. They will split the finders fee with you if you send them your bank account info and passcodes.

99 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:57:03am

re: #95 Lidane

Mass Effect > Dragon Age. It’s worth it to play the games. Seriously.

Also, I’ve seen the Star Wars MMO, since my boyfriend was in the beta. It looks like fun. If he gets into another round of testing I’m going to get on his account and goof around with it.

I have ME and ME2. Love em.
They just really irked me with DA2.
I hold a grudge.
:)

101 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:58:08am
102 prairiefire  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:58:24am

re: #94 sattv4u2

If I find any of it, do I get a finders fee??

It’s harder to find than Confederate gold.

103 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:59:15am

re: #100 Killgore Trout


If The White House Garden Grew Subsidized Crops

Free Market in action!!!

104 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 9:59:58am

re: #41 makeitstop

Google test, smgdh.

105 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 10:02:06am

re: #46 SidewaysQuark

Not so sure about that. Had McCain run as the McCain we all knew, (you know, the one who actually lambasted the Religious Right back in 2000), and picked a moderate running mate, maybe, just maybe, he could have pulled it off, I think.

I would agree. I think that’s why we’re seeing the Breitbart/Hot Air/GOProud types, e.g. the younger sorts who are sick of the social cons, but like the money interests of the Republicans. Marrying the GOP to the rabid social cons was a really bad idea.

106 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 10:02:36am

re: #103 ralphieboy

Free Market in action!!!

While I get the graphic, Americans aren’t going to start growing their own wheat or cotton any time soon, although we consume a great deal.

Americans will grow what it is easy for amateurs to grow.

(My family’s* farm grows soft wheat for export to Asia, because that’s what makes sense.)

*By family, I mean it belonged to my great-grandfather, and my cousins actually work it, with ownership being split among the descendants of my great-grandfather, including my mother.

107 Lidane  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 10:03:00am

re: #92 JasonA

That was an outlier. Most of what they do is fantastic.

All of the time I spent with Neverwinter Nights and Baldur’s Gate is proof of this. They’re a great company overall. DA2 was a rush job. ME3 should redeem them, as well as SWTOR.

108 Four More Tears  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 10:03:41am

re: #107 Lidane

All of the time I spent with Neverwinter Nights and Baldur’s Gate is proof of this. They’re a great company overall. DA2 was a rush job. ME3 should redeem them, as well as SWTOR.

Is there a release date for SWTOR?

109 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 10:03:54am

re: #41 makeitstop

Speaking of Pawlenty - who the hell is running his campaign?

Pawlenty To Propose ‘Better Deal’ — And ‘Google Test’ To Eliminate Programs

‘Google test???’ Ohhh-kayyy…

In other words, “If a middle-class person living in a densely populated area can get it from a private company, the government need not be involved. Actually, the government needs not to be involved. The rural poor may drop dead now.”

110 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 10:04:52am

re: #49 Obdicut

The post office?

Seriously?

Haven’t you ever heard a wingnut get into a real rant about USPS? To hear them talk, they’ve never, ever, ever delivered a piece of mail without breaking it or losing it.

111 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 10:05:12am

re: #53 Charles

Lots and lots of hate mail yesterday and last night — looks like about 20 raging right wing haters spewing insults.

I think I’ll put up a post with just the insults from these idiots.

I like the hate mail. The hate mail gave us ‘honcos’.

112 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 10:05:26am

re: #105 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I would agree. I think that’s why we’re seeing the Breitbart/Hot Air/GOProud types, e.g. the younger sorts who are sick of the social cons, but like the money interests of the Republicans. Marrying the GOP to the rabid social cons was a really bad idea.

No chance. The religious right threatened to pull their support and run their own candidate over McCain’s nomination, he was forced to accept their choic e of VP candidate as quid pro quo for their support.

Had he chosen, say, Liebermann, he would have totally alienated the far right and we would have seen a third-party proto-Tea-Party candidate.

113 Lidane  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 10:05:58am

re: #108 JasonA

Is there a release date for SWTOR?

So far, the only thing Bioware are saying is that it will come out when it’s ready. I don’t think they’ve set a date.

114 Four More Tears  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 10:06:39am

re: #113 Lidane

So far, the only thing Bioware are saying is that it will come out when it’s ready. I don’t think they’ve set a date.

Good. I need to finish building my new pc. Almost there… should be ready for Skyrim :)

115 Lidane  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 10:08:06am

re: #109 SanFranciscoZionist

In other words, “If a middle-class person living in a densely populated area can get it from a private company, the government need not be involved. Actually, the government needs not to be involved. The rural poor may drop dead now.”

Which is hilarious, because a lot of the GOP’s support comes from the rural folks. Look at a national electoral map and it’s a safe bet that the large urban areas will skew Democratic and the more sparsely populated rural areas will skew Republican.

Pawlenty would basically be screwing over his own voters.

116 makeitstop  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 10:08:52am

re: #109 SanFranciscoZionist

In other words, “If a middle-class person living in a densely populated area can get it from a private company, the government need not be involved. Actually, the government needs not to be involved. The rural poor may drop dead now.”

And somebody told Pawlenty this would be a winner.

And Pawlenty believed whoever told him that.

The GOP is doing nothing to convince me they aren’t trying to throw this election.

117 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 10:09:11am

re: #82 Varek Raith

Seriously.
Fed Ex and UPS combined couldn’t handle the load.

I’ve used this before: Find Gullet Gap KY on a map. Now find it on the ground (hint: try it in Summer ‘cause you ain’t getting there in Winter). USPS delivers there for $0.47. No one is going to go there and make a profit.

118 thatthatisis  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 10:10:03am

Palin isn’t running for president, and won’t be running. I think she’s making a power play to be the leader of the tea party, and wield a lot of power. That way she continues her visibility, collects a lot of donations for her PAC, and most importantly -
Has no responsibility.

119 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 10:10:44am

re: #55 NJDhockeyfan

This is interesting. NPR fact-checks Palin with a professor:

How Accurate Were Palin’s Paul Revere Comments?

This professor says Palin was right?

His first explanation, however, is far more what anyone with knowledge would say:

Prof. ALLISON: Well, he’s not firing warning shots. He is telling people so that they can ring bells to alert others. What he’s doing is going from house to house, knocking on doors of members of the Committees of Safety saying the regulars are out. That is, he knew that General Gage was sending troops out to Lexington and Concord, really Concord, to seize the weapons being stockpiled there, but also perhaps to arrest John Hancock and Samuel Adams, leaders of the Continental Congress, who were staying in the town of Lexington.

Remember, Gage was planning - this is a secret operation, that’s why he’s moving at night. He gets over to Cambridge, the troops start marching from Cambridge, and church bells are ringing throughout the countrys

Some of what he says there is quite interesting, but the question I’d like to ask him is, “If you asked a student the purpose of Revere’s ride, and got that back, what would you write on that student’s paper?”

Palin flubbed it. This guy is game to look at a broader interpretation, and that’s awful kind of him, but she flubbed it.

120 abolitionist  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 10:11:10am

re: #83 Lidane

Well, yes. But Mass Effect 3, Star Wars: The Old Republic, and the Kinect features for Ghost Recon look awesome.

All I need now is for Microsoft to announce that they’re going to force Skype ot make a Windows Phone app and I’ll be thrilled.

I’ve gotten the impression that Windows 8 will significantly blur distinctions between computers, tablet computers, and smart phones.

121 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 10:12:27am

re: #60 Charles

This is apparently one of the only historians who believes Palin was “right.” I posted this yesterday:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

But if you really want to keep grasping at straws, don’t let me stop you.

What he seems to be looking at is the question of whether Revere’s other work around the countryside of MA, exclusive of the famous ‘ride’ could be seen in light of a ‘warning’, ie, letting the British know there would be increased resistance to unpopular legislation, which is highly interesting, but irrelevant to what Sarah said.

122 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 10:13:37am

re: #67 NJDhockeyfan

I’m not grasping at all. I haven’t kept up with it anyway. I haven’t had the time but I did find it interesting that NPR had a historian on there essentially supporting Palin’s quotes.

Of course, the first thing he says lines up perfectly with all the folks Charles posted about—they all agree on the basic outline of the story.

123 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 10:14:24am

re: #112 ralphieboy

No chance. The religious right threatened to pull their support and run their own candidate over McCain’s nomination, he was forced to accept their choic e of VP candidate as quid pro quo for their support.

Had he chosen, say, Liebermann, he would have totally alienated the far right and we would have seen a third-party proto-Tea-Party candidate.

Yeah, hard to tell in hindsight. Had the religious right split the party because they didn’t get a Palin-type VP, though, it would definitely have resulted in an R loss. In my view, they are on a collision course with the Breitbart/Big _______ types. We saw it happening at CPAC, and within the tea party, e.g. Tea Party Patriots vs Tea Party Nation re: social issues. bit.ly

TPN, well at least Judson Phillips, had a fit. But then, he’s always throwing fits.

124 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 10:15:10am

re: #73 allegro

Is he looking for one of those Koch tenured professorships?

Everything he says seems true to me, although I don’t know enough to comment on his idea that the Sons of Liberty were making themselves noticed through Revere—they certainly wanted to let the British know they were there at other times.

But Palin was talking about the Ride.

125 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 10:16:02am

re: #85 reuven

Now we’ve got “Paul Revere” denialists/revisionists. Only in America!

Probably because no one else knows who Paul Revere was.

126 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 10:25:11am
42 percent of Republicans say they’ve ruled out supporting her candidacy.

This is most disappointing. Hopefully she’ll continue talking, though, and having her various comments used as litmus tests for other GOP’ers.

127 RogueOne  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 10:38:51am

re: #88 prairiefire

The Post Office lost 8 Billion last year.

And they’re figuring on $7 billion in losses this year:

washingtonpost.com


The U.S. Postal Service reported $2.2 billion in losses during its second quarter, continuing several quarters of historic losses amid declining mail volume and financial obligations to prefund worker retirement benefits.

Postal officials said Tuesday that the mail agency is still on course to lose about $7 billion when its fiscal year ends in September.

Chump change I guess as long as Gullet Gap, KY gets their junk mail and victoria secret catalogs.//

128 Lidane  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 10:53:10am

Ahahaha… I’m sitting here listening to the conversation my bosses are having over lunch. Not only have they dissed Palin for the Revere gaffe, but they all talked about the Palin fans trying to edit Wikipedia.

Now they’re mocking The Donald for being a whiny bitch at the WHCD. This is hilarious.

129 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 10:55:09am

re: #127 RogueOne

And they’re figuring on $7 billion in losses this year:

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]

Chump change I guess as long as Gullet Gap, KY gets their junk mail and victoria secret catalogs.//

Trust me, they vote. School Board elections from 2 decades past were still mulled over. Maybe their new senator, Rand Paul, can convince them they don’t need mail.

130 RogueOne  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 10:56:34am

re: #129 Decatur Deb

It’s KY, they can’t read anyway.

131 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 11:02:31am

re: #130 RogueOne

It’s KY, they can’t read anyway.

I did archaeogical surveys there—every fourth or fifth farm seemed to have an old lady with a Master’s in Education from Morehead.

132 Buck  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 11:05:20am

re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist

“If you asked a student the purpose of Revere’s ride, and got that back, what would you write on that student’s paper?”

Sure, but Sarah Palin’s comment was NOT a student paper. It was a spoken quick comment while people were shouting questions at her.

If everyone was followed around and had every comment they made dissected and rated for perfect accuracy, it would be a different world.

AND I think that Biden would get a pass 100% of the time, where SP would get buried 100% of the time.

133 Lidane  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 11:07:46am

re: #132 Buck

If you think Biden’s gotten a free pass 100% of the time, I have oceanfront land in Nebraska to sell you.

Yes, he’s known for shooting his mouth off, but the Veep isn’t going to get a free pass, no matter what his previous reputation might have been.

134 Ming  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 11:10:08am

Palin’s mental illness is all over TV. People all over the world get to see this spectacle. In a way, it’s the mother of all reality shows: how does the Republican Party deal with a person who should never have been selected in 2008 as their Vice Presidential candidate?

I’m not commenting as a partisan. I was a registered Republican for 25 years (until 2 years ago) and I’ve never been a registered Democrat. (I was a registered libertarian before I was a Republican, but that was a long time ago.) We only need to look at John Edwards to see that the Democrats can make really bad choices in their selection of Vice Presidential candidates. Still, I am convinced that Sarah Palin is UNIQUE in modern times: someone who is obviously mentally ill, and I say “obviously” because her illness is broadcast publicly, over and over; and this person is still taken seriously as a political force. This cannot be good for the country. Fox News should really stop doublin’ down on Sarah Palin; she’s not going to get better anytime soon.

135 Lidane  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 11:14:23am

re: #134 Ming

I don’t know that it’s mental illness as much as it is buying into her own bullshit and into all the fawning praise that her idiot fans keep showering her with.

She’s always been vindictive and petty if her history in Alaska is anything to go on, and now she’s got a bunch of rubes derping and telling her she’s presidential material and that people take her seriously. Toss in the ridiculous speaking fees, the TV shows and the Fox News paycheck and someone who was already a Mean Girl before is now even more insufferable.

136 Buck  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 11:15:26am

re: #133 Lidane

You and I might not agree on what “a pass” means.

See #134 above. If we agree that Biden makes the same sort of comments… would he be called mentally ill?

137 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 11:20:10am

re: #132 Buck

Sure, but Sarah Palin’s comment was NOT a student paper. It was a spoken quick comment while people were shouting questions at her.

If everyone was followed around and had every comment they made dissected and rated for perfect accuracy, it would be a different world.

AND I think that Biden would get a pass 100% of the time, where SP would get buried 100% of the time.

Really? You’re still trying to spin this?

138 Lidane  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 11:21:00am

Ah, but Biden has enough sense to either apologize or admit he’s wrong when he says something stupid. Or both. That’s what adults do.

Caribou Barbie just doubles down on the stupid, like she did here with the Paul Revere gaffe and like she did with the whole “blood libel” debacle.

That’s ultimately what makes the difference in how the two are perceived. Well, that and I don’t recall any Biden fans or Democratic partisans trying to edit Wikipedia to change reality to whatever Biden might get wrong in order to prove that he was right all along.

139 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 11:26:07am

re: #47 JasonA

Fine. Get rid of the USPS. I just don’t want to hear the rural folk whining about how it costs them five bucks to mail a letter (if at all) afterwards.

Hehe… Given that remark I just think how things would be in sections of the country if there had never been subsidies and government support for such projects as the TVA, rural electrification, etc. etc. You know, things that create jobs, service industry, and basically make life a little easier to live.

140 Buck  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 11:33:54am

re: #137 Charles

You know what Charles. If you don’t want me here, you only have to say so. Just say the words “Buck, you are not welcome here”. I will leave and never darken your doorstep again. I won’t need to be banned. You will not have to pull my account.

I have been here since about 2002. In all those years sometime we agreed, and sometimes we disagreed. However every time I saw you being attacked I defended you. I have seen these attacks from both the right AND the left.

In this case I am giving my opinion. Just like everyone here is doing. I don’t think I am being a “dick” about it. (your word) I think I am being very reasonable. I don’t think I am spinning anything. I am simply giving my opinion.

141 Buck  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 11:40:56am

re: #138 Lidane

I don’t recall any Biden fans or Democratic partisans trying to edit Wikipedia to change reality to whatever Biden might get wrong in order to prove that he was right all along.

Yes, and that is because Biden is given, what I think is, a pass from the media. No need to back him up…. everyone just says….Oh that Biden….smile

How stupid was his comment about Lebanon during the debate with Palin during the election? I mean he is put forth as an expert on US foreign relations, and yet he made up a history that was completely false. Was that false history discussed even half as much as Sarah Palin’s comment about Russia being visible from Alaska? Or her asking what the interviewer meant about “the Bush Doctrine”? Or her not listing what newspapers she read?

142 Lidane  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 11:47:56am

re: #141 Buck

. Was that false history discussed even half as much as Sarah Palin’s comment about Russia being visible from Alaska? Or her asking what the interviewer meant about “the Bush Doctrine”? Or her not listing what newspapers she read?

Without Sarah Palin being quite possibly the worst modern VP candidate in recent memory, all of Biden’s gaffes would have been major headaches for the Democratic ticket. Problem is, when you have an idiotic statement like being able to see Russia from your house in Alaska, people tend to notice.

Also, it wasn’t just her gaffes that people noticed. It was also the fact that the McCain people kept her completely sheltered from any real media interaction and that she was blatantly chosen in a desperate bid to knock Obama off the front page. She didn’t enhance the GOP ticket. If anything, she made otherwise faithful Republicans wonder what the hell McCain was thinking and they really asked themselves if they wanted Caribou Barbie a heartbeat away from the Oval Office and with access to nukes.

143 RogueOne  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 11:49:19am

re: #131 Decatur Deb

I did archaeogical surveys there—every fourth or fifth farm seemed to have an old lady with a Master’s in Education from Morehead.

I’m a hoosier and I say people in KY can’t read and they don’t wear shoes. Prove me wrong!

144 RogueOne  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 11:49:33am

re: #131 Decatur Deb

I did archaeogical surveys there—every fourth or fifth farm seemed to have an old lady with a Master’s in Education from Morehead.

“morehead”

145 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 11:50:19am

re: #140 Buck

You know what Charles. If you don’t want me here, you only have to say so. Just say the words “Buck, you are not welcome here”. I will leave and never darken your doorstep again. I won’t need to be banned. You will not have to pull my account.

I have been here since about 2002. In all those years sometime we agreed, and sometimes we disagreed. However every time I saw you being attacked I defended you. I have seen these attacks from both the right AND the left.

In this case I am giving my opinion. Just like everyone here is doing. I don’t think I am being a “dick” about it. (your word) I think I am being very reasonable. I don’t think I am spinning anything. I am simply giving my opinion.

You are not being a dick Buck, you are just clinging to an opinion which flies in the face of reality with such meticulous amiability that it makes my teeth rot.

It is irritating to many to see such a nice person so adamantly standing up for such a horrible cause as the revision of American History.

I typically feel much the same way about DF, though he and I disagree about far fewer things.

You are truly are an example for all when it comes to how one could reasonably argue for unreasonable positions.

146 Buck  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 11:51:14am

re: #142 Lidane

Problem is, when you have an idiotic statement like being able to see Russia from your house in Alaska, people tend to notice.

Except that she never said that. Russia from your house was a SNL skit line.

Fair or not fair?

147 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 11:51:25am

re: #143 RogueOne

I’m a hoosier and I say people in KY can’t read and they don’t wear shoes. Prove me wrong!

You’re confusing tobacco cutters with stone cutters, Cutter.

148 Lidane  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 11:54:39am

re: #146 Buck

Completely fair, given that she was running for the VP slot.

Her idiocy overshadowed Biden’s gaffes because of McCain and the questions about his health. Ultimately, people looked at her and concluded that she shouldn’t be a heartbeat away and with access to nukes.

149 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 12:03:13pm

re: #141 Buck

Yes, and that is because Biden is given, what I think is, a pass from the media. No need to back him up… everyone just says…Oh that Biden…smile

How stupid was his comment about Lebanon during the debate with Palin during the election? I mean he is put forth as an expert on US foreign relations, and yet he made up a history that was completely false. Was that false history discussed even half as much as Sarah Palin’s comment about Russia being visible from Alaska? Or her asking what the interviewer meant about “the Bush Doctrine”? Or her not listing what newspapers she read?

Poor, put-upon Sarah Palin. She is so oppressed.

150 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 12:05:30pm

re: #146 Buck

Except that she never said that. Russia from your house was a SNL skit line.

Fair or not fair?

The actual quote was far more ridiculous than even an SNL skit.

Poor Sarah Palin. Such a beleagured martyr.

151 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 12:07:28pm

re: #132 Buck

Sure, but Sarah Palin’s comment was NOT a student paper. It was a spoken quick comment while people were shouting questions at her.

If everyone was followed around and had every comment they made dissected and rated for perfect accuracy, it would be a different world.

AND I think that Biden would get a pass 100% of the time, where SP would get buried 100% of the time.

Poor Sarah. No one on earth suffers such hardships.

152 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 12:09:27pm

re: #146 Buck

Except that she never said that. Russia from your house was a SNL skit line.

Fair or not fair?

Not fair.

Just because a meme finds fertile ground with how someone is viewed does not make it fair to assign the truth of that meme to the person.

IE the Barack Obama is a Muslim Meme managed to find fertile ground most likely because of his middle name and his darker skin tones, but it isn’t fair or true to judge him by that the same way the “I can see Russia from my house meme” seems to have found fertile ground because Sarah Palin is remarkably lacking in intelligence.

Therefore my personal bench mark of her idiocy is and always will be (until she says something wrose) “You know… all of them.” When asked about what newspapers she read, that and her being unable to name her favorite news anchor until she actually saw Gretta go walking by….

153 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 12:21:48pm

re: #140 Buck

Hey, remember when you claimed that that letter of Revere talked about ringing bells?

Why did you do that, when it doesn’t?

154 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 12:45:27pm

re: #140 Buck

Do you behave like this in your real life too? When someone criticizes what you say, do you whine, “if you want me to leave, I’ll just leave?”

Because this just doesn’t seem a way to win an argument.

You were spinning, just like you’ve been frantically trying to spin Palin’s idiotic remarks from the very beginning. Apparently you don’t realize that it’s obvious.

155 Montaigne's Cat  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 1:03:15pm

I’m not surprised that Palin’s popularity has plummeted — she didn’t reckon on the Lizard King.


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