New Battery Design Could Be Breakthrough for Electric Cars

A ‘significant advance’ in battery architecture
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Here’s some potentially very exciting news from MIT, where a breakthrough in battery design could lead to truly viable electric cars: New battery design could give electric vehicles a jolt.

A radically new approach to the design of batteries, developed by researchers at MIT, could provide a lightweight and inexpensive alternative to existing batteries for electric vehicles and the power grid. The technology could even make “refueling” such batteries as quick and easy as pumping gas into a conventional car.

The new battery relies on an innovative architecture called a semi-solid flow cell, in which solid particles are suspended in a carrier liquid and pumped through the system. In this design, the battery’s active components — the positive and negative electrodes, or cathodes and anodes — are composed of particles suspended in a liquid electrolyte. These two different suspensions are pumped through systems separated by a filter, such as a thin porous membrane.

(h/t: Bobibutu.)

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1 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 4:42:13pm

The sooner we can get off oil and on to more reusable forms of energy the better... so way to go guys at MIT!

2 Alexzander  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 4:43:44pm

Congrats Bobibutu on the hat-tip/front page!

3 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 4:47:27pm

Full disclosure: I know the people who are making these.

Here is a non-gasoline powered generator being used to power lights for a NASA interview. These generators are solar-powered.

I'll check to see if the link works.

[Link: www.facebook.com...]

4 abolitionist  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 4:47:41pm

Efficient and high-energy-density batteries are important for the new degrees of freedom they offer for our energy and transportation needs, but they are not a panacea. The energy to charge a battery still has to come from the grid, or from some other local energy source.

5 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 4:47:48pm

Now we just need to figure out a clean, renewable way to generate that electricity.

6 Obdicut  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 4:48:01pm

re: #1 jamesfirecat

We've got to replace coal, too. Otherwise, 'gains' from switching to electricity are only partial. But they're still, you know, some.

7 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 4:49:27pm

Funded by DARPA/ARPA the socialists who brought you the intertubes.

8 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 4:50:19pm

re: #4 abolitionist

Efficient and high-energy-density batteries are important for the new degrees of freedom they offer for our energy and transportation needs, but they are not a panacea. The energy to charge a battery still has to come from the grid, or from some other local energy source.

The article mentions that such batteries, adapted and scaled up, might be a step towards making solar and wind more reliable sources of energy. You're right, it's not a quick fix, but it's certainly a huge step in the right direction.

9 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 4:50:55pm

re: #7 Decatur Deb

What?!? That must be a lie. Gov't doesn't make things, it just makes things worse.
/

10 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 4:51:36pm

Speaking of fossil fuel

And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons!

11 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 4:51:44pm

re: #7 Decatur Deb

Funded by DARPA/ARPA the socialists who brought you the intertubes.

Well obviously it's funded by my tax dollars, unlike real energy solutions like coal and oil, which are totally funded through private investment. Who honestly expects "green" energy to go anywhere when nobody in the private sector is willing to invest in it?

12 allegro  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 4:54:01pm

So why not make car roofs from solar panels that power batteries while the car is sitting with the motion of the car powering the batteries with kinetic energy when it's running.

I know, I'm a biologist not a physicist but hey, sounds good, don't it?

13 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 4:54:24pm

it's what cars crave

14 Alexzander  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 4:55:29pm

re: #13 SpaceJesus

it's what cars crave

Electrolytes?

15 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 4:57:25pm
16 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 4:57:26pm

Would at least one other person click on my link to see if it works? Thanks.

(I want to be sure you can see it without being "friended" to the generator's page. Yes, it has its own page.)

17 Alexzander  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 4:58:27pm

re: #16 EmmmieG

Would at least one other person click on my link to see if it works? Thanks.

(I want to be sure you can see it without being "friended" to the generator's page. Yes, it has its own page.)

The photo loads without having a facebook page.

18 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 4:58:51pm

re: #17 Alexzander

The photo loads without having a facebook page.

Thanks!

19 allegro  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 4:58:59pm

re: #16 EmmmieG

Would at least one other person click on my link to see if it works? Thanks.

(I want to be sure you can see it without being "friended" to the generator's page. Yes, it has its own page.)

It pops.

20 abolitionist  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:00:13pm

re: #16 EmmmieG

Is this cool or WHAT? /glad to help

21 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:02:49pm

Yep it's a breakthrough. Will it amount to anything, IE be commercially a commercially viable product? That is the question.

"Gogotsi cautions that making a practical, commercial version of such a battery will require research to find better cathode and anode materials and electrolytes, but adds, “I don’t see fundamental problems that cannot be addressed — those are primarily engineering issues. Of course, developing working systems that can compete with currently available batteries in terms of cost and performance may take years.”

22 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:06:52pm

re: #5 Slumbering Behemoth

Now we just need to figure out a clean, renewable way to generate that electricity.

Once3 you get the batteries figured out the rest is pretty easy. Here in Oregon the wind farms are talking about shutting down for a while because there's too much electricity being produced from the dams with all the rain we had. If there was a good way to store that extra electricity for later use they'd just keep on producing more electricity.

23 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:09:09pm

Why do we need electric cars? What's wrong with this one? Or this one?

24 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:10:44pm

I'm signing off for the next two days. My #3 son's family is here. My granddaughters made a whole bunch of sushi, all I did was set out the ingredients and they did the rest.

Shalom, y'all.

25 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:10:53pm

re: #21 Bubblehead II

Yep it's a breakthrough. Will it amount to anything, IE be commercially a commercially viable product? That is the question.

"Gogotsi cautions that making a practical, commercial version of such a battery will require research to find better cathode and anode materials and electrolytes, but adds, “I don’t see fundamental problems that cannot be addressed — those are primarily engineering issues. Of course, developing working systems that can compete with currently available batteries in terms of cost and performance may take years.”

That's the key line there. The breakthrough has happened, now it's simply a matter of finding how small it can be shrunk, how large it can be scaled up, and the easiest way to exploit the potential there. All things that the start-up mentioned at the end will be tasked with doing, as well as finding ways to sell this to companies who will likely be skeptical after decades of batteries being limited in their usefulness in certain tasks.

26 Tim G.  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:12:01pm

Question is: what will the Saudis do to scuttle/kill this venture? I wonder how many breakthroughs of the past have been deep-sixed by Mideast Oil money.

27 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:12:15pm

1920's folding car.

28 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:13:27pm

re: #12 allegro

So why not make car roofs from solar panels that power batteries while the car is sitting with the motion of the car powering the batteries with kinetic energy when it's running.

I know, I'm a biologist not a physicist but hey, sounds good, don't it?

Entropy.

29 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:13:49pm

re: #26 Tim G.

Question is: what will the Saudis do to scuttle/kill this venture? I wonder how many breakthroughs of the past have been deep-sixed by Mideast Oil money.

I think most of those are urban myths. Like the story about the guy who invented a car that runs off water who is mysteriously killed.
I'm pretty sure that if someone invented a real car that runs off water it'd catch on.

30 Irenicum  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:14:54pm

Ludwig should be very pleased at this news too. BTW, I had his stalker nic follow me for a bit on twitter. Didn't realize at first it wasn't him. Then I saw the flaming and it made no sense. I know he's not homophobic, anti Muslim, or sexist, and yet the tweets were just filled with them. Blocked that sorry pathetic ass. Why are people so obsessed over the lizards here? Ugh. Anyway, I just needed to rant about that. Humans can be so freaking weird. Oh, and having friends at MIT, yay MIT!

31 Ming  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:15:36pm

That's great news!

Towards the end of the article, it says: "The development of the technology was partly funded by grants from the U.S. Department of Defense’s Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency and Advanced Research Projects Agency – Energy (ARPA-E). Continuing research on the technology is taking place partly at 24M, where some recent MIT graduates who worked on the project are part of the team; at MIT, where professors Angela Belcher and Paula Hammond are co-investigators; and at Rutgers, with Professor Glenn Amatucci."

So apparently this breakthrough is the result of a partnership between the federal government and private industry. To some Republicans, such a "partnership" is a mixing of food and poison: pure evil.

In The Audacity of Hope, Barack Obama talks about these "partnerships", how government and private industry have always cooperated. He mentions a few things, including the funding of the University of Virginia by President Lincoln.

32 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:15:40pm

re: #27 Alouette

GASP! Women are physically/mechanically inclined and are able to do these feats.!

//Faints

33 Obdicut  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:15:55pm

re: #30 Irenicum

That was very coherent incoherence.

34 Irenicum  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:17:26pm

re: #33 Obdicut

Haha. Thanks. It was truly bizarre to be followed by a stalker troll. Ugh.

35 abolitionist  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:25:39pm

re: #12 allegro

The configuration you describe might be practical for electric vehicles that spend lots more time being charged than being driven, and driven only short distances. But carrying the solar cells along would likely be a serious disadvantage unless they were both exceedingly low mass and aerodynamically configured.

As for recharging batteries from the kinetic energy (ie, regenerative braking), again, there's the extra mass to consider. You'd get a steady penalty and near-zero benefit for highway type traveling, and it would still be hard to break even for stop-and-go city driving.

36 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:26:13pm

Whoa. For a second there I thought time stopped.

37 Interesting Times  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:28:25pm

re: #29 Killgore Trout

I think most of those are urban myths. Like the story about the guy who invented a car that runs off water who is mysteriously killed.
I'm pretty sure that if someone invented a real car that runs off water it'd catch on.

Is it though? I remember a TV show I saw in the pre-Internet days, where a man had invented a washing machine that used sound waves - no detergent required. So, the detergent companies scuttled him to ensure the invention never came to pass. I wish I could remember more details, because so far googling has only produced this:

There was an episode of “Beyond 2000″ in the late 90′s that showed a man that had invented a clothes washer and dish washer that both worked on cold water and no detergent by using sound waves. The show said the detergent assosiation bought the patend and that we’ll never see it. Sounds like another engine that runs on water.

38 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:28:27pm

re: #36 b_sharp

Whoa. For a second there I thought time stopped.

For a second it did. Then it started up again.

39 darthstar  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:29:02pm

Fuck...too bad the Boehner affair turned out to be a false positive...then again, who'd want to get in bed with that radioactively orange fucker?

40 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:29:32pm

re: #38 wrenchwench

For a second it did. Then it started up again.

That is so cool.

41 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:30:19pm

re: #39 darthstar

Fuck...too bad the Boehner affair turned out to be a false positive...then again, who'd want to get in bed with that radioactively orange fucker?

How do you know he's radioactive?

Maybe he's just inert.

42 Interesting Times  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:31:47pm

re: #39 darthstar

Fuck...too bad the Boehner affair turned out to be a false positive...then again, who'd want to get in bed with that radioactively orange fucker?

The sheets would be wet for entirely non-erotic reasons.

43 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:32:40pm

re: #42 publicityStunted

The sheets would be wet for entirely non-erotic reasons.

Is he related to Glenn Beck?

44 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:34:47pm

re: #37 publicityStunted

This seven-pound machine works on principle of auto horn. Hooter must sound for five minutes. Cost is $32


lol

45 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:37:04pm

re: #30 Irenicum

Why are people so obsessed over the lizards here?

Really sucks that they harass LGF users, but it shows you exactly what kind of mentally ill freaks they are. It's all intended to harm me and harm LGF, any way possible, and they think they can drive away my readers by harassing them in this way.

46 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:40:19pm

re: #45 Charles

Really sucks that they harass LGF users, but it shows you exactly what kind of mentally ill freaks they are. It's all intended to harm me and harm LGF, any way possible, and they think they can drive away my readers by harassing them in this way.

Some of us will not be bullied.

47 ozbloke  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:41:37pm

re: #45 Charles

Really sucks that they harass LGF users, but it shows you exactly what kind of mentally ill freaks they are. It's all intended to harm me and harm LGF, any way possible, and they think they can drive away my readers by harassing them in this way.

I can't see how that works.

Its a twofer.
We come here for information and knowledge, and there childish stalking makes me laugh.

48 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:42:59pm

re: #47 ozbloke

I can't see how that works.

Its a twofer.
We come here for information and knowledge, and there childish stalking makes me laugh.

Knowledge and a good belly laugh. What could be better than that?

49 BishopX  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:45:50pm

re: #48 b_sharp

Enlightenment and beer?/

50 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:46:18pm

re: #46 reine.de.tout

Some of us will not be bullied.

Yes, that is true!
*waves*
*sticks tongue out at the stupid wanna be bullies*

51 ozbloke  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:46:48pm

re: #48 b_sharp

Knowledge and a good belly laugh. What could be better than that?

Its marvelous, here we are all paid by Charles and backed by Soros.
Charles is a nothing, his blog is dying, and it goes on and on.

Yet they spend their lives, discussing comments from nobodies, on a blog they insist is irrelevant.

It consumes them, funny and a bit sad all at the same time.

52 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:47:29pm

re: #51 ozbloke

Sick, deranged folks, with no lives.
It's just plain sad.

53 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:49:41pm

re: #46 reine.de.tout

Some of us will not be bullied.

Neither will I. But then again I am drunk and crazy.

Night Lizards.

Comic Relief, nothing more

54 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:50:50pm

Wow. O'Donnell is playing the old tapes of the Clintons when the Flowers story broke. I totally forgot Hillary had that accent.

55 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:54:07pm

re: #51 ozbloke

Yet they spend their lives, discussing comments from nobodies, on a blog they insist is irrelevant.

Time for a re-run.

Image: dec05882-12e0-49fd-a2f3-6fcf381fd394.jpg

Later, lizards.

56 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:56:59pm

re: #46 reine.de.tout

Some of us will not be bullied.

QFT.

57 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:57:46pm

re: #26 Tim G.

Question is: what will the Saudis do to scuttle/kill this venture? I wonder how many breakthroughs of the past have been deep-sixed by Mideast Oil money.

Become the second largest shareholder of Fox News's parent company?

58 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:58:19pm

uh-oh.
Orange skies and strong swirly winds. What does it mean?

I hope the electricity doesn't go out.

59 albusteve  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:59:17pm

re: #39 darthstar

Fuck...too bad the Boehner affair turned out to be a false positive...then again, who'd want to get in bed with that radioactively orange fucker?

I think Weiner has that dead green pus color...very creepy

60 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 6:00:00pm

re: #51 ozbloke

Its marvelous, here we are all paid by Charles and backed by Soros.
Charles is a nothing, his blog is dying, and it goes on and on.

Yet they spend their lives, discussing comments from nobodies, on a blog they insist is irrelevant.

It consumes them, funny and a bit sad all at the same time.

Yeah, we're just a bunch of sycophants, bowing at Charles' feet, wasting our time on a site that's in total decline and is virtually unknown to anyone who isn't a bootlicker.

I guess it makes sense if your idea of entertainment is spending hours repeating the same mantra while you sit on the outside and shake your fist silently at those of us on the inside.

61 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 6:00:06pm

re: #58 reine.de.tout

uh-oh.
Orange skies and strong swirly winds. What does it mean?

I hope the electricity doesn't go out.

There's some strong storms to the east of Baton Rouge.

62 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 6:01:27pm

re: #51 ozbloke

Its marvelous, here we are all paid by Charles and backed by Soros.
Charles is a nothing, his blog is dying, and it goes on and on.

Yet they spend their lives, discussing comments from nobodies, on a blog they insist is irrelevant.

It consumes them, funny and a bit sad all at the same time.

WHOAWHOAWHOA!
WE GET PAID?!?!

63 albusteve  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 6:02:06pm

re: #58 reine.de.tout

uh-oh.
Orange skies and strong swirly winds. What does it mean?

I hope the electricity doesn't go out.

last night our sky turned an amazing bright yellow/gold color that reflected down on everything....the sun was a smallish hot pink color...very bizarre, smoke from the AZ fires

64 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 6:02:16pm

re: #62 Varek Raith

WHOAWHOAWHOA!
WE GET PAID?!?!

In chicken McNuggets.

65 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 6:02:48pm

re: #58 reine.de.tout

uh-oh.
Orange skies and strong swirly winds. What does it mean?

I hope the electricity doesn't go out.

A beautiful sunset.
And, maybe a storm.
Stay safe!

66 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 6:03:14pm

re: #64 b_sharp

In chicken McNuggets.

The 50 pack?

67 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 6:03:25pm

re: #62 Varek Raith

WHOAWHOAWHOA!
WE GET PAID?!?!

What, you don't remember the paperwork you signed up for your monthly International Zionist Conspiracy check and your Vast Left Wing Conspiracy check?

/

68 sod  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 6:03:41pm

Completely OT, but, I was thinking today that Republicans should drop the spending cut angle completely, leave spending levels at what they are and propose raising personal income taxes to whatever levels would be required to fully fund the budget with absolutely no more borrowing.

I wonder what those tax brackets would look like?

69 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 6:04:54pm

re: #61 Varek Raith

There's some strong storms to the east of Baton Rouge.

Yep, and moving into my neighborhood right now, as I type this.
Freaky winds.

70 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 6:06:18pm

re: #69 reine.de.tout

Yep, and moving into my neighborhood right now, as I type this.
Freaky winds.

Stay safe.

71 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 6:06:28pm

re: #68 sod

Completely OT, but, I was thinking today that Republicans should drop the spending cut angle completely, leave spending levels at what they are and propose raising personal income taxes to whatever levels would be required to fully fund the budget with absolutely no more borrowing.

I wonder what those tax brackets would look like?

Never gonna happen. Remember, this is a party that not only wants to make the Bush Tax Cuts permanent, but just tried to push through a plan that would have compounded on that stupidity in a truly horrible way. Even his lordship, Speaker Boehner, has declared that tax increases are off the table, period.

72 albusteve  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 6:07:05pm

re: #69 reine.de.tout

Yep, and moving into my neighborhood right now, as I type this.
Freaky winds.

makes sure you are wearing your ruby sneaks!

73 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 6:07:14pm

Heh. Rachel uses IOKIYAR.

74 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 6:07:40pm

re: #72 albusteve

makes sure you are wearing your ruby sneaks!

Stay away from Steve.
He's the witch!
/

75 sod  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 6:13:17pm

re: #71 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Oh I know, but I bet it would only take one paycheck after the new taxes went into effect for people to take notice. After that then, any spending cuts would result in a tax reduction and a bump in take home pay.

This assumes you think a balanced budget is desirable.

76 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 6:17:34pm

re: #75 sod

Oh I know, but I bet it would only take one paycheck after the new taxes went into effect for people to take notice. After that then, any spending cuts would result in a tax reduction and a bump in take home pay.

This assumes you think a balanced budget is desirable.

I don't, but that's because I don't have lobbyists breathing down my neck, telling me that America's taxes are the highest they've ever been and that taxes kill jobs.

77 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 6:18:46pm

And before I go, To WUB in the last thread. Here is a "RICH MAN'S" Meal.

2 skinless chicken breasts.
1 box chicken stuffing mix
1 can of corn.

Pour stuffing mix and (undrained) can of corn into a 4X4 backing dish. Mix well.

Place Chicken breasts upon mixture, season to taste, that is, if you can afford them there spices, like salt and pepper.

Cover with foil and bake at 350 degrees until done.

Yep, we high falutian Republicans do enjoy the high life.

78 albusteve  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 6:24:26pm

re: #77 Bubblehead II

And before I go, To WUB in the last thread. Here is a "RICH MAN'S" Meal.

2 skinless chicken breasts.
1 box chicken stuffing mix
1 can of corn.

Pour stuffing mix and (undrained) can of corn into a 4X4 backing dish. Mix well.

Place Chicken breasts upon mixture, season to taste, that is, if you can afford them there spices, like salt and pepper.

Cover with foil and bake at 350 degrees until done.

Yep, we high falutian Republicans do enjoy the high life.

my dinner tonight....
2 large boudin sausages braised until they blow apart
add a can of tomatoes
a can of corn
a can of black beans

eat

79 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 6:30:43pm

re: #78 albusteve

my dinner tonight...
2 large boudin sausages braised until they blow apart
add a can of tomatoes
a can of corn
a can of black beans

eat

Hamburgers on the grill.
boiled potatoes.
Green beans.
Omnomnom.

80 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 8:21:02pm

How I pray for viable battery operated cars...

81 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 8:28:54pm

re: #80 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How I pray for viable battery operated cars...

I pray that all roads go downhill.

82 The Mongoose  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 8:35:55pm

re: #80 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How I pray for viable battery operated cars...

Current ones don't feel too far from viable, though I'd agree they're not there yet. Issues:

1) Range
2) Recharge times
3) Price
+ stuff I can't think of.

Seems like #1 is becoming less of an issue and this technology could be an excellent step towards solving #2. Not sure I'm their target market but hey, cool technology is, well, cool.

83 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 8:48:51pm

re: #82 The Mongoose

Their target market is me. 1,2,3 on your list are severe hindrances.

84 ElCapitanAmerica  Tue, Jun 7, 2011 8:51:52pm

re: #11 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Well obviously it's funded by my tax dollars, unlike real energy solutions like coal and oil, which are totally funded through private investment. Who honestly expects "green" energy to go anywhere when nobody in the private sector is willing to invest in it?

There's quite a bit of "private sector" investment going in "green" energy, I'm not sure what you are referring to, specially around battery technology.

85 S'latch  Wed, Jun 8, 2011 5:20:31am

This is the sort of thing that is going to change our whole economic and environmental equation. It will be technological advances of this type which eventually lead to a technological revolution and it will change our overall economic conditions and improve our chances of saving our environment. I believe it will be done and I am very optimistic about our future.


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