To comment on the Rep. Weiner scandal, Sean Hannity invites Mark Foley.
Good freaking grief, people.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jun 9, 2011 7:42:50pm |
This video made me want to puke.
What the hell is wrong with these people?
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Thu, Jun 9, 2011 7:43:16pm |
Wouldn't Dave Foley have been a better choice?
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The Ghost of a Flea Thu, Jun 9, 2011 7:43:45pm |
The shields can't resist irony of this magnitude.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jun 9, 2011 7:44:14pm |
re: #2 Charles
This video made me want to puke.
What the hell is wrong with these people?
Indeed. How utterly ridiculous the right is getting.
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Ojoe Thu, Jun 9, 2011 7:46:05pm |
This whole scandal has been a boner from start to finish.
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Ojoe Thu, Jun 9, 2011 7:47:32pm |
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jun 9, 2011 7:48:07pm |
Mark Foley is about one inch away from being a child molester. This is unbelievable.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jun 9, 2011 7:49:08pm |
Good grief, now I remember what Foley did.
Despicable.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 9, 2011 7:50:00pm |
re: #11 Varek Raith
Good grief, now I remember what Foley did.
Despicable.
Sadly, not the 1st
Worse, won't be the last
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 9, 2011 7:52:49pm |
re: #13 Varek Raith
Later gators.
Bed time.
damn you
I still have over an hour to go at work THEN over an hour drive home!!
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Lidane Thu, Jun 9, 2011 7:53:16pm |
re: #10 Charles
Mark Foley is about one inch away from being a child molester. This is unbelievable.
It's par for the course for Fox News. Did they at least identify Foley as a Republican this time?
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Targetpractice Thu, Jun 9, 2011 7:53:20pm |
Oh good grief, Hannity. Just grab a pitchfork and join the rest of the wingnuts in demanding Weiner give you the scalp ya'll are so desperately wanting.
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allegro Thu, Jun 9, 2011 7:53:56pm |
I made it to 1:11... enough. It got to how moral he was for resigning. Got it.
Enough.
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jaunte Thu, Jun 9, 2011 7:57:23pm |
Foley is "recovered from that hell" now, so he can be a Hannity tv authority.
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Thu, Jun 9, 2011 7:57:51pm |
re: #16 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Oh good grief, Hannity. Just grab a pitchfork and join the rest of the wingnuts in demanding Weiner give you the scalp ya'll are so desperately wanting.
Well they can keep dreaming about that because Weiner has more balls than the rest of the democratic party combined. And he has the pictures to prove it.
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Ojoe Thu, Jun 9, 2011 7:59:43pm |
One of the real problems with people who have regularly scheduled talking shows, is that they have to always say something. Thus when there should have been silence, there is twaddle, and the general intelligence level of the country goes down.
IMHO the damn media should go dark at 10 PM & on again at noon, and even then the ear and eye garbage would still give you a splitting headache.
It is still a good idea that the Trappists have, of keeping a lot of silence.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:03:15pm |
Today on the Hannity show we interview Tomás de Torquemada for his personal insights on the most effective methods of torture and whether Americas use of waterboarding should even be considered torture...
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Digital Display Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:04:51pm |
Well Lizards..The 4th quarter of game 5 is just about to begin..
This is a great game so far
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Tigger2005 Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:06:01pm |
re: #21 Ojoe
It is still a good idea that the Trappists have, of keeping a lot of silence.
A man joined a monastery where the monks could say only two words every five years.
After five years the monk went to the abbott to say his two words. "Bed hard," he said, and left.
After another five years the monk went to the abbott again to say his two words. "Food cold," he said, and left.
After another five years the monk went to the abbot once more to say his two words. "I quit!" he said.
"I'm not surprised," said the abbott, "you've been complaining ever since you got here."
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allegro Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:06:55pm |
re: #24 HoosierHoops
Well Lizards..The 4th quarter of game 5 is just about to begin..
This is a great game so far
The appetizer round of Chopped has begun. Duck hearts... blech.
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Ojoe Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:14:20pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:19:24pm |
re: #10 Charles
Mark Foley is about one inch away from being a child molester. This is unbelievable.
Mark Foley on "remorse".
Unbelievable.
Pass me the barf bag!
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:20:25pm |
re: #22 ausador
Today on the Hannity show we interview Tomás de Torquemada for his personal insights on the most effective methods of torture and whether Americas use of waterboarding should even be considered torture...
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Torquemada would have smacked Hannity for his hypocrisy, and told Hannity he was not being a good Catholic. And he'd have been right to do so, too.
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FreedomMoon Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:20:38pm |
Unfortunately, I don't believe this is going to be the end of Mark Foley. Figuratively speaking, he's planting a seed to hopefully return to public office, so then once in office he just might have the chance to literally plant his seed.
Hmm....sounded funnier in my head.
Just seeing him gives me the shivers.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:21:25pm |
re: #29 Floral Giraffe
Mark Foley on "remorse".
Unbelievable.
Pass me the barf bag!
[sets bag on the end of long pole then holds it aloft]
/giraffe humor
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Kragar Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:21:47pm |
An indiscretion between consenting adults does not equate to cyberstalking kids while preaching family values. Fucking psycho bastard.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:22:41pm |
The ego of this bastid is horrifying.
"It''s the internet's fault".
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theheat Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:24:32pm |
I dunno. Mark Foley is a big fan of dick, so I think he's pretty qualified to talk about dicks in general. If they'd narrowed the conversation to trolling for underage dick while touting the missionary position with your wife, he'd have a freakin' phD.
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Kragar Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:25:02pm |
Gee, he doesn't feel pedo-stalkers should be arrested. Thats a shocker.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:25:19pm |
re: #33 kragar (proud to be kafir)
An indiscretion between consenting adults does not equate to cyberstalking kids while preaching family values. Fucking psycho bastard.
Moreover, Weiner never tried to consummate the fantasy, unlike Foley (though neither even contemplated forcing themselves on someone).
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Kragar Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:25:42pm |
re: #35 theheat
I dunno. Mark Foley is a big fan of dick, so I think he's pretty qualified to talk about dicks in general. If they'd narrowed the conversation to trolling for underage dick while touting the missionary position with your wife, he'd have a freakin' phD.
Perhaps he could form a PAC with NAMBLA.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:27:33pm |
Why are we, as a nation, so vehemently dedicated to being the planet's cultural Insane Clown Posse?
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theheat Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:28:19pm |
re: #38 kragar (proud to be kafir)
They might have some sort of test that you have to be creepy enough to belong, but I think he'd pass.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:28:42pm |
Why is this man even on TV?
Mark Foley is scum.
His 15 seconds of "fame" should be over.
PUT THE ROCK BACK ON HIM!
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:29:46pm |
LMAO, Andy Schlafly attempts to explain the application of mathematical sets on Conservapedia:
Another striking example is the how traditional marriage provides a greater set than otherwise: the union of A = {a, b, c, d} and B = {a, b, c, e} is merely {a, b, c, d, e}, while the union of M (man) = {a, b, c, d} and W (woman) = {e, f, g, h} is {a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h}, which is a broader and more diverse set.
Ok, I don't claim to be a mathematician or to have even payed much attention in math class. But even I know that your simply pulling this out of your ass Andy.
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Mocking Jay Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:29:54pm |
I can't get more than three minutes through this. It's just too ridiculous.
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Targetpractice Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:30:50pm |
re: #33 kragar (proud to be kafir)
An indiscretion between consenting adults does not equate to cyberstalking kids while preaching family values. Fucking psycho bastard.
Hannity's like the rest of the wingnuts, trying to assert that Weiner is no different than the gaggle of Repubs who have had their asses ran out of D.C. on a rail for not being able to keep it in their pants. And that, because they got that treatment from the voters, Weiner should be shown the same treatment, so that he will be forced to hand over his scalp to them, if only to convince themselves that there's some sort of "balance" in the actions of both parties.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:30:59pm |
Bust out the flying pig: UN declares middle eastern dictator worthy of killing....
Gadhafi a legitimate target
A U.N. resolution justifies the targeting of Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi, a senior NATO military official with operational knowledge of the Libya mission told CNN Thursday.
At least he won't be waterboarded or given a fair trial. The Neocon in me likes the new war on terror.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:32:08pm |
re: #39 negativ
Why are we, as a nation, so vehemently dedicated to being the planet's cultural Insane Clown Posse?
Because we're obsessed with miracles and fuckin' magnets. :D
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theheat Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:33:00pm |
Weird, because I had the radio on while feeding the critters tonight. Aqualung. To Mark Foley I dedicate: "Watching as the frilly panties Underoos run."
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:33:29pm |
re: #45 Killgore Trout
Bust out the flying pig: UN declares middle eastern dictator worthy of killing...
Gadhafi a legitimate target
At least he won't be waterboarded or given a fair trial. The Neocon in me likes the new war on terror.
It's the UN's second flying Pig Moment in as many days
[Link: www.salon.com...]
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jamesfirecat Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:33:53pm |
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, I couldn't imagine a less qualified person to invite on if you were trying to make yourself look like you shouldn't be taken seriously!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:34:12pm |
re: #42 ausador
LMAO, Andy Schlafly attempts to explain the application of mathematical sets on Conservapedia:
Ok, I don't claim to be a mathematician or to have even payed much attention in math class. But even I know that your simply pulling this out of your ass Andy.
Liberals like science. Maybe they'll go for our stuff if we make it sound all sciency.
I think that's basically what we're seeing here.
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Mocking Jay Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:34:36pm |
re: #42 ausador
LMAO, Andy Schlafly attempts to explain the application of mathematical sets on Conservapedia:
Ok, I don't claim to be a mathematician or to have even payed much attention in math class. But even I know that your simply pulling this out of your ass Andy.
I have no idea wtf this is supposed to mean.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:34:37pm |
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Kragar Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:35:25pm |
re: #45 Killgore Trout
Bust out the flying pig: UN declares middle eastern dictator worthy of killing...
Gadhafi a legitimate target
At least he won't be waterboarded or given a fair trial. The Neocon in me likes the new war on terror.
Passing out viagra to your troops so they can rape your own people can have that affect on people when they find out about it.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:36:43pm |
re: #54 kragar (proud to be kafir)
Passing out viagra to your troops so they can rape your own people can have that affect on people when they find out about it.
we're talking about the UN here ,, you know,, the ones that YAWN at things like that
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jaunte Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:37:57pm |
re: #45 Killgore Trout
Bust out the flying pig: UN declares middle eastern dictator worthy of killing...
Gadhafi a legitimate target
Aardvark!
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BongCrodny Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:38:13pm |
re: #51 SanFranciscoZionist
Liberals like science. Maybe they'll go for our stuff if we make it sound all sciency.
I think that's basically what we're seeing here.
Conservascience.
There's nothing in the Constitution that says that 2 + 2 = 4, is there?
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freetoken Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:38:22pm |
re: #42 ausador
It's even more stupid than you'd imagine.
Besides the intentional obscuration of reality by throwing in trivial set theory examples, when looking at Homo sapiens the opposite of his conclusion leaps out.
Namely, men have what women don't: a Y chromosome. Thus a set of two men has two Y chromosomes and two X chromosomes, while a set of one man and one woman has 3 X chromosomes and only 1 Y chromosome. So any pairwise combination from two men has three different possible outcomes: XX, XY, and YY, while pairwise matching from a man and a women can only result in two possible outcomes: XX and XY.
So the union of two male sets has more elements than a union of a set composed of one male and one female, if we were to do pair matching of DNA and create new possibilities.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:38:32pm |
re: #39 negativ
Why are we, as a nation, so vehemently dedicated to being the planet's cultural Insane Clown Posse?
Actually, we're doing not too bad. It wasn't long ago that it was considered acceptable to subjugate other groups of people, marry girls off shortly after the start of menstruation and priests diddling little kids was ignored.
We're taking two steps forward for every one step back. Today's Republicans are just the one step back. Hopefully, within a very few years, the backsteppers will join the rest of us taking two steps forward.
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:39:01pm |
re: #48 theheat
Weird, because I had the radio on while feeding the critters tonight. Aqualung. To Mark Foley I dedicate: "Watching as the frilly
pantiesUnderoos run."
Hmmm..... seeing Tull on Sunday for father's day...... they are doing the whole Aqualung album for it's 40th anniversary.
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freetoken Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:39:57pm |
Isn't it nice that Mr. Foley finally found a home worthy of him.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:40:02pm |
re: #42 ausador
LMAO, Andy Schlafly attempts to explain the application of mathematical sets on Conservapedia:
Ok, I don't claim to be a mathematician or to have even payed much attention in math class. But even I know that your simply pulling this out of your ass Andy.
He and his mother are idiots. They would have been locked up as fruitloops a century ago.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:40:22pm |
re: #52 JasonA
I have no idea wtf this is supposed to mean.
I THINK he's trying to show that women and men together are more than men and men together. Of course, this argument could also be easily applied to, for example, combat units, which is not what Andy wants us to infer at all.
This is just more of the Invisible Hand of Marriage--they really want to show that somehow there's a special alchemy when a man and woman marry that makes them more than the sum of their parts. And of course, there is. What they can't cope with is the idea that
a. Same sex couples may have their own kind of alchemy
and
b. Even if they do not, this is not a basis for legal and social discrimination.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:42:35pm |
re: #58 freetoken
It's even more stupid than you'd imagine.
Besides the intentional obscuration of reality by throwing in trivial set theory examples, when looking at Homo sapiens the opposite of his conclusion leaps out.
Namely, men have what women don't: a Y chromosome. Thus a set of two men has two Y chromosomes and two X chromosomes, while a set of one man and one woman has 3 X chromosomes and only 1 Y chromosome. So any pairwise combination from two men has three different possible outcomes: XX, XY, and YY, while pairwise matching from a man and a women can only result in two possible outcomes: XX and XY.
So the union of two male sets has more elements than a union of a set composed of one male and one female, if we were to do pair matching of DNA and create new possibilities.
You think way too much like Schafly.
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freetoken Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:43:00pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:43:26pm |
re: #56 jaunte
I say we going all the way up to austin_blue's level and use B-52s instead.
/Not entirely kidding, though I don't want to get innocents killed. I mostly meant it to express my intense loathing for Crazy Mo.
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LwoodPDowd Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:44:58pm |
I could only watch about half of the video of these two disgusting people, HOWEVER, from what I did see I don't have a problem. While he may be trying to equate the two, the result will most likely be to point out how much less egregious Weiner's offense was than Foley's. Next he needs to interview Ensign. Hannity being Hannity, I can see him making horrendous comparisons, but from what I saw, eh.
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SidewaysQuark Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:45:03pm |
re: #42 ausador
LMAO, Andy Schlafly attempts to explain the application of mathematical sets on Conservapedia:
Another striking example is the how traditional marriage provides a greater set than otherwise: the union of A = {a, b, c, d} and B = {a, b, c, e} is merely {a, b, c, d, e}, while the union of M (man) = {a, b, c, d} and W (woman) = {e, f, g, h} is {a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h}, which is a broader and more diverse set.
Ok, I don't claim to be a mathematician or to have even payed much attention in math class. But even I know that your simply pulling this out of your ass Andy.
In their ignorance of what set theory means, Conservapedia just promoted group marriages.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:46:52pm |
re: #68 SidewaysQuark
In their ignorance of what set theory means, Conservapedia just promoted group marriages.
Nice catch.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:47:01pm |
And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons
Congrtas Mavs ,,, 3-2 ,,,, one to go
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:47:55pm |
re: #45 Killgore Trout
Bust out the flying pig: UN declares middle eastern dictator worthy of killing...
Gadhafi a legitimate target
At least he won't be waterboarded or given a fair trial. The Neocon in me likes the new war on terror.
While they're at it.... maybe they can get that terrorist that Scotland pardoned.
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Mocking Jay Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:48:07pm |
Colbert's reporting on Breitbart and the whole "they said there wouldn't be cameras" thing.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:48:33pm |
re: #58 freetoken
It's even more stupid than you'd imagine.
Besides the intentional obscuration of reality by throwing in trivial set theory examples, when looking at Homo sapiens the opposite of his conclusion leaps out.
Namely, men have what women don't: a Y chromosome. Thus a set of two men has two Y chromosomes and two X chromosomes, while a set of one man and one woman has 3 X chromosomes and only 1 Y chromosome. So any pairwise combination from two men has three different possible outcomes: XX, XY, and YY, while pairwise matching from a man and a women can only result in two possible outcomes: XX and XY.
So the union of two male sets has more elements than a union of a set composed of one male and one female, if we were to do pair matching of DNA and create new possibilities.
How about if we create a set of Man (abcd) Woman (efgh) and Labrador (ijkl) which would then result in an even larger set (abcdefghijkl)! How about that Andy? I never knew you were trying to advocate beastiality... :P
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:48:33pm |
re: #68 SidewaysQuark
In their ignorance of what set theory means, Conservapedia just promoted group marriages.
Andy Schlafley isn't the kind of man for whom facts matter.
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freetoken Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:48:51pm |
Speaking of the religious right, here's something that should send Schafly's skin crawling (though perversely Foley might find this titillating):
Cloned cow in Argentina to produce "human milk"
Argentinian scientists have introduced modified genes in a cloned calf that are to cause it to produce a kind of human breast milk when it grows up.
The cow named Rosita ISA had two human genes introduced, which guide the production of two proteins contained in human milk and which are important for the nutrition of babies, Argentina's National Institute of Agrobusiness Technology near Buenos Aires said Thursday.
When the cow is fully grown, it was expected to give milk similar to that of humans. It would contain lactoferrin and lysozyme, which offer infants better antibacterial and antiviral protection than normal cow's milk provides.
[...]
re: #68 SidewaysQuark
Not just group marriages. Think of the possibilities if one throws in other species!
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jaunte Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:51:11pm |
re: #75 freetoken
Not just group marriages. Think of the possibilities if one throws in other species!
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:51:23pm |
OK, this is what these "interviews" and "scandals" remind me of.
Blatant narcissism.
It buffers, a bit.
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theheat Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:52:45pm |
re: #75 freetoken
Like those goats that produced milk with spider silk in it. It's pretty neat.
This will probably freak out the fundie moms that live to breast feed until their kids are in high school.
"I didn't come from no ape, and my kid isn't going to nurse a doggone cow! Whatchya talkin' 'bout!"
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ProGunLiberal Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:52:49pm |
re: #49 sattv4u2
We might get a third too. Britain and France are trying to get a resolution on Syria. I used to think it would have been impossible, but the world has fallen through the looking glass.
If they manage to get something through, the US should help. They are our allies, and they have followed us into other NATO shenanigans. Barring Iraq (In France's Case). Return the the favor a second time.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:53:23pm |
re: #74 Dark_Falcon
Andy Schlafley isn't the kind of man for whom facts matter.
Why is he different from any other high-profile Republican? The anti-science craziness at Conservapedia isn't really extreme at all, in the Republican Party. Most of the current Presidential candidates are 100% in line with Conservapedia's views on science, evolution, climate change, gay rights, etc.
Conservapedia is only noteworthy because they don't sugar-coat the lunacy for general consumption.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:54:17pm |
Meanwhile in the Magic Kingdom....
The richest man in Saud
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freetoken Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:54:42pm |
re: #80 Charles
In doing follow-up research on the CT Adam & Eve story, on some of the religious blogs I came across a poster who was actually linking to Conservapedia as if it is some sort of authority.
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theheat Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:56:13pm |
re: #82 freetoken
My dad thinks Free Republic catches all the real news Fox misses.
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freetoken Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:57:58pm |
re: #83 theheat
There are all types out there. I'm sure there are plenty of Fox viewers tonight who were watching Hannity and were clueless about Foley's background and immediately assumed, per Fox's intention, that Foley's transgressions and Weiner's are essentially the same.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:58:51pm |
re: #82 freetoken
They must have missed the memo about opinions and facts.
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ProGunLiberal Thu, Jun 9, 2011 8:59:33pm |
re: #49 sattv4u2
And I further realized the implications of the UN saying assassination is OK (I never thought I would be saying that). That means the US, France, Britain, Denmark (Don't Laugh, they got good specials forces), among others can now use their intelligence agencies and special forces to kill him. He won't leave this alive.
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Targetpractice Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:01:08pm |
re: #86 ProLifeLiberal
And I further realized the implications of the UN saying assassination is OK (I never thought I would be saying that). That means the US, France, Britain, Denmark (Don't Laugh, they got good specials forces), among others can now use their intelligence agencies and special forces to kill him. He won't leave this alive.
Probably not. If we don't get him, the rebels will. And they'll be even less inclined to take him alive. Any chance he had of spending the rest of his days in a cell or in exile has now been reduced to zero.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:01:53pm |
Huh, I may actually watch Letterman tonight. Neil Peart is gonna be on to do a drum solo.
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darthstar Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:03:20pm |
re: #83 theheat
My dad thinks Free Republic catches all the real news Fox misses.
My dad reads Coulter's blog every day...thinks she's "witty."
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:05:16pm |
re: #89 Slumbering Behemoth
Huh, I may actually watch Letterman tonight. Neil Peart is gonna be on to do a drum solo.
(Thinks about it) No, not even something as good as that drumming is enough to put up with Letterman for even a couple of seconds.
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jaunte Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:05:22pm |
Tepco expecting shareholder trouble
June 10 (Bloomberg) -- Japan's National Police Agency will send 150 officers and riot squads to Tokyo Electric Power Co.'s annual general meeting this month to quell possible protests by shareholders and terror attacks, a police official said.About 7,000 shareholders are expected to attend the June 28 meeting, said the official, who declined to be identified, citing the agency's policy. Residents from Fukushima, where Tokyo Electric's crippled nuclear plant lies, may stage demonstrations, the official said. Officers and riot police will be stationed around the Prince Park Tower Tokyo Hotel, the venue for the shareholder meeting, the official said.
[Link: www.sfgate.com...]
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freetoken Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:05:23pm |
Beware the chameleon opportunistic candidate:
Saline County officials switch to GOP
[...]Ballard, elected in 2010, said she had worked to get Republicans elected and had “worked with them and for them,” including 10 years as administrative assistant to Saline County Judge Lanny Fite, a Republican.
She said when the former office holder, Chris Villines, resigned to take another job it was too late to file as a Democrat or Republican, but that the Green Party candidate selection process was still open to her.
[...]
Parties don't really mean a whole lot in this country, as it is so easy to switch from one to another, often without any negative consequences at all. Yet this is a pretty brazen example.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:06:55pm |
re: #87 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Probably not. If we don't get him, the rebels will. And they'll be even less inclined to take him alive. Any chance he had of spending the rest of his days in a cell or in exile has now been reduced to zero.
That's OK. Gaddafi is someone who needs killing.
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freetoken Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:07:32pm |
I'm so hopping this cat-fight happens:
Palin, Bachmann go from Tea Party allies to testy rivals
Since Hannity claims to love both, I wonder with which one he would side?
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darthstar Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:07:37pm |
re: #93 freetoken
Beware the chameleon opportunistic candidate:
Saline County officials switch to GOP
Parties don't really mean a whole lot in this country, as it is so easy to switch from one to another, often without any negative consequences at all. Yet this is a pretty brazen example.
And we're surprised when we find out they fuck around? They can't even be honest about their political views.
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darthstar Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:08:53pm |
re: #96 darthstar
And we're surprised when we find out they fuck around? They can't even be honest about their political views.
That was a general comment about politicians...not a given party.
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freetoken Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:09:16pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:09:48pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:10:04pm |
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ProGunLiberal Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:11:02pm |
re: #92 jaunte
After the incidents with their company, I would expect riots. The Japanese People have every right to be irate at this company.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:12:43pm |
re: #95 freetoken
I'm so hopping this cat-fight happens:
Palin, Bachmann go from Tea Party allies to testy rivals
Since Hannity claims to love both, I wonder with which one he would side?
Can't they both lose? Oh wait, yes they can! Let's have that happen, with Palin and Bachmann punching each other out politically.
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Kragar Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:12:50pm |
Rush asserts women dislike Palin because she's a 10
The consensus is that women hate her 'cause she's good-looking. It's basically that -- and there's a story here in the Washington Post: "Conservative Women Enthusiastic About Bachmann and Palin." It's a story by Kellyanne Conway, the pollsterette who's gone out and found: The babes are lookers (which is part of it). Anyway, it means we will continue to discuss this just a little bit today because it's one of these seat-of-your-pants moments -- fly-by moments -- on the program and it's ignited response unlike any recently. I can't think of the last time something generated this kind of outpouring. Just stuns me. You know, I got my finger on the pulse of all this stuff.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:13:49pm |
re: #102 ProLifeLiberal
After the incidents with their company, I would expect riots. The Japanese People have every right to be irate at this company.
In a Western country there'd be riots. But that is not how the Japanese do things. They'll stay calm, but they will make sure that Tokyo Electric is punished.
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ProGunLiberal Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:13:57pm |
re: #104 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Looks wise, she may be okay, but otherwise, she is vapid, idiotic, and bigoted. I give her a two.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:16:22pm |
re: #104 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
One of the things that really irritates me is that Rush is smart enough to see Palin for the toxic airhead that she is, but nooo! Party first.
If she were a democrat, ho-boy! what kind of nasty innuendo he would spew in her direction.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:16:23pm |
re: #104 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
She's not a 10. She's an 8 at most. And her sheer know-nothingness overwhelms any attraction her looks might bring.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:16:34pm |
More Schlaflyisms...
Explaining how "Christian" is a secularized term...
Right. I don't even think early Christians called themselves "Christian". Most church names (e.g., "Church of Christ") don't use that term either. It's a diluted term preferred more by atheists.Ditto for the secularization of the term "flood", which is obviously reminiscent of the Great Flood. "Flood-waters" is a particularly silly secularization - does anyone think it might be anything other than water in natural disasters?
Talking about how misguided scientists are for looking for extraterrestrial lifeforms...
For most of the 20th century, scientists typically believed in the existence of extraterrestrial life, despite the lack of any reference to it in the Bible. After spending many billions of dollars looking for such life, and investigating countless reports of UFOs, no such life has been found.
In discussing whether to call it the "Conservative Bible Project" or the "Conservapedia Bible Project"...
But I feel that "conservative" is an important term to continue to use in connection with this project. It indicates that we're not going to be fooled by, or allow, liberal distortions of the Bible.Liberal politics is having too negative an effect on Christianity. Our "conservative" Bible project is one important way to negate the liberal distortions. Look at how much liberals have complained about it. That's a good sign.
In Christ,
Andy
I can do this all day, there are a thousand of these...sigh. :(
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:17:14pm |
re: #95 freetoken
It was all over the "conservative radio" this afternoon.
I was stuck in traffic & nothing else was on the radio.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:17:28pm |
re: #107 Slumbering Behemoth
One of the things that really irritates me is that Rush is smart enough to see Palin for the toxic airhead that she is, but nooo! Party first.
If she were a democrat, ho-boy! what kind of nasty innuendo he would spew in her direction.
And he's not doing his party any favors, either. But he's not in it for the Republican Party, he's in it for Rush Limbaugh.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:18:25pm |
re: #104 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Oh, that's been a stand-by since the beginning of the Palin thing. Us liberal chicks hate her because she's pretty, and happy married, and has these beautiful children, and is an Authentic, Fulfilled Woman, rather than a sad, pathetic imitation man.
(All true. I cry into my pillow nights, here at the Lesbian Collective, wondering why I didn't turn out like Sarah Palin.)
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Kragar Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:18:28pm |
re: #108 Dark_Falcon
She's not a 10. She's an 8 at most. And her sheer know-nothingness overwhelms any attraction her looks might bring.
Your jealousy is sooo transparent.
///
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ProGunLiberal Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:18:34pm |
re: #103 Dark_Falcon
I can't even think of an appropriate punishment for this.
To Japan: It is okay to act like France this one time.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:18:40pm |
Mint frog is talking but he's moved to the bamboo. I shall call him Bamboo frog.
/Namaste, y'all
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:18:42pm |
re: #108 Dark_Falcon
Why do looks matter at all?
You're born with them, like skin color.
Nothing you can do about them, except maybe plastic surgery.
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darthstar Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:19:08pm |
Okay, so Weiner's dick is still out there on the internet and it's "the biggest crisis in the history of the planet" and should be destroying the Democrats and making the Republicans into gods (it's a powerful little penis). If only the Magical Balance Fairy could wave her wand and make Weiner look like a "who gives a fuck" story...
1. Sean Hannity brings Mark (I stalk boys) Foley on to give a values talk on Weiner.
2. Mitt Romney dodges a question on homosexuality as sin.
3. Newt Gingrich's entire paid staff in Iowa quits in protest to his putting cruise ships ahead of campaigns.
And that's just today!
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Targetpractice Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:20:55pm |
re: #107 Slumbering Behemoth
One of the things that really irritates me is that Rush is smart enough to see Palin for the toxic airhead that she is, but nooo! Party first.
If she were a democrat, ho-boy! what kind of nasty innuendo he would spew in her direction.
That's alright, I have serious doubts that anybody like Palin could get very far in the Dem Party. It seems that the GOP these days has the market cornered on good-looking vapid airheads with delusions of adequacy.
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darthstar Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:21:21pm |
re: #108 Dark_Falcon
She's not a 10. She's an 8 at most. And her sheer know-nothingness overwhelms any attraction her looks might bring.
Palin's not unattractive....but she sure as fuck ain't this:
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:21:33pm |
re: #109 ausador
"For most of the 20th century, scientists typically believed in the existence of extraterrestrial life, despite the lack of any reference to it in the Bible."
Ya know what, Schafly, neither is the United States of America. So, get the fuck out!
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darthstar Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:22:55pm |
re: #121 Slumbering Behemoth
Ya know what, Schafly, neither is the United States of America. So, get the fuck out!
You know what else isn't in the bible? Avocados...and I had one on my salad tonight.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:23:54pm |
re: #116 Floral Giraffe
Why do looks matter at all?
You're born with them, like skin color.
Nothing you can do about them, except maybe plastic surgery.
Well, you can either improve them by taking care of yourself (as Sarah Palin has done, to be fair) or reduce them by eating too much and exercising too little, which is what I have mostly done.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:24:00pm |
re: #113 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Your jealousy is sooo transparent.
///
Well, DF is a dude, so that's not jealousy he's exhibiting. It's abject fear.
///
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:24:33pm |
re: #109 ausador
I get this mental image of Jesus ROTFLOL. Really rolling on the floor pounding his fists in laughter like he was watching a Three Stooges flick. That's how I imagine the Messiah would react to the Conservapedia.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:25:06pm |
re: #111 Dark_Falcon
And he's not doing his party any favors, either. But he's not in it for the Republican Party, he's in it for Rush Limbaugh.
Bin-go! We Have A Winnah!
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:25:54pm |
re: #117 darthstar
I will say that I thought Romney was smart to avoid the question. Any answer he would have given would have been used against him. Like Global Thermonuclear War, the only winning move was not to play the game.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:25:56pm |
Just for the hell of it, I removed all the usernames I've added to Tweetdeck's Global Filter and reloaded Twitter.
Wow.
The sheer hatred being directed at me tonight is unbelievable.
If I gave a shit about what these deranged Neanderthals think, it would be very disturbing.
But I don't, so I just added the names back to the Global Filter. That was an interesting experiment. They hate me ... they really hate me.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:26:57pm |
Our "conservative" Bible project is one important way to negate the liberal distortions
Alright? Because the Court of King James back in 1611 was just too liberal for Andy? I mean. I don't even. WTF?
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Iwouldprefernotto Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:27:26pm |
I don't understand, wasn't Dick Morris available?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:28:47pm |
re: #129 Charles
Just for the hell of it, I removed all the usernames I've added to Tweetdeck's Global Filter and reloaded Twitter.
Wow.
The sheer hatred being directed at me tonight is unbelievable.
If I gave a shit about what these deranged Neanderthals think, it would be very disturbing.
But I don't, so I just added the names back to the Global Filter. That was an interesting experiment. They hate me ... they really hate me.
They use Twitter all the time to spew at those they hate. Thankfully, there's that wonderful we've got called the 'block' button. Just push it and you never have to see their spews again. But it is a good idea to see them sometimes, if only to know what the hate-memes are.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:28:53pm |
re: #120 darthstar
Palin's not unattractive...but she sure as fuck ain't this:
Yeah, well, most men in politics ain't exactly George Clooney. Which is fine, it's just ridiculous how entrenched this cult of the 'Republican babe' has become.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:29:21pm |
re: #104 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
She's honestly not an unattractive woman but a 10? And I am sure Rush would be calling her a ten if she looekd exactly the same but were a liberal democrat. And great job Rush showing that you only like Palin because she gets your old dick hard.
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darthstar Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:30:41pm |
re: #129 Charles
But I don't, so I just added the names back to the Global Filter. That was an interesting experiment. They hate me ... they really hate me.
Write a little script to loop through your list of blocked stalkers that sends them a private tweet (say, every five minutes) that says, "@[username] I think you're the bee's knees."
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BongCrodny Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:30:53pm |
re: #136 SpaceJesus
was rush talking about her iq?
No, the number of viewers of the last episode of her TV show.
Zing!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:31:08pm |
Onion-like Headlines in Real Life
Someone had to do it. Fry?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:31:13pm |
re: #130 ausador
Alright? Because the Court of King James back in 1611 was just too liberal for Andy? I mean. I don't even. WTF?
Don't you know? Many in the court of King James were Tey Gey! using their Bible validates the gay plot to destroy America!!1
(Some of King James' court really were gay, but that doesn't bother me in the way it bother's Loony Andy.)
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:31:44pm |
re: #130 ausador
Alright? Because the Court of King James back in 1611 was just too liberal for Andy? I mean. I don't even. WTF?
Actually that's not a new complaint. The KJV was initiated because the Crown needed a bible translation to counter the very popular and very anti-crown Geneva translation. Over time it has become the traditional bible, but in it's own time it was seen as dangerously liberal and pro-monarchy. The puritans hated it.
Still, the King James Bible, Cranmer's Book of Common Prayer & Shakespeare's poetry define what is English to this day.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:32:00pm |
By the way the right wing jackoff fest to Palin started when she was a candidate. I remember right wingers calling her a VPILF or GILF. Yet it was the damned liberals who had the "nerve" to criticize her on the issues and her experience that got labeled as sexist. Funny that huh.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:32:02pm |
re: #135 HappyWarrior
She's honestly not an unattractive woman but a 10? And I am sure Rush would be calling her a ten if she looekd exactly the same but were a liberal democrat. And great job Rush showing that you only like Palin because she gets your old dick hard.
I suspect that:
1. If she were a Democrat he would consider her hideous and shrill.
2. I think he likes 'em younger and blonder than that.
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darthstar Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:32:03pm |
re: #134 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah, well, most men in politics ain't exactly George Clooney. Which is fine, it's just ridiculous how entrenched this cult of the 'Republican babe' has become.
I just want our politicians to be competent and not corrupt.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:34:22pm |
re: #143 SanFranciscoZionist
I suspect that:
1. If she were a Democrat he would consider her hideous and shrill.
2. I think he likes 'em younger and blonder than that.
Ding for answer 1, can't speak for 2 though since I've never seen his wife. Honestly, as far as Republican women are concerned, Palin's more attractive than Ann Coulter who I see often trotted out as an example of a "conservative hottie." Personally, even though I am not big on blondes, I think Kirsten Gillibrand is one of the more attractive members of Congress in either party.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:34:37pm |
re: #104 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Wrong - 9 for looks, 10 for opportunism, 4 for personality, 2.75 for brains, 0 for policies.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:35:08pm |
re: #144 darthstar
I just want our politicians to be competent and not corrupt.
Fuck, why not just go ahead and wish for magical unicorns while you're at it.
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freetoken Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:35:10pm |
Maybe I should go back to dancing?
Ballroom dancing makes everyone Stars
“Ballroom dancing has become a chic thing to do, a cool thing to do,” says Krisztina Hera, a dance instructor at Coral Gables’ landmark Arthur Murray dance studio, a fixture on Ponce de Leon Boulevard since 1950.
Ballroom was sort of the "in" thing to do about 15-20 years ago too, when the neo-Swing surge happened. I sort of doubt that the alleged current uptick of ballroom is a long term thing. The problem is the music - traditional music is human scaled, a necessity for dancing (which is done by humans, after all.)
The advent of electronic music has led pop music to be extra-ordinarily driven to simplistic, metronome like rhythms, and/or tempos that are too fast.
We see this on DWTS occasionally, when they try to adapt a contemporary pop tune for some traditional dance. The rhythm tends to be wrong and the whole thing just doesn't work (though the "judges" will do their part and lie about it.)
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The Ghost of a Flea Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:35:13pm |
re: #130 ausador
Alright? Because the Court of King James back in 1611 was just too liberal for Andy? I mean. I don't even. WTF?
King James I wrote a pamphlet about the dangers of smoking.
Obvious liberal.
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freetoken Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:35:49pm |
I would make the GOP candidates do a dance competition instead of a "debate".
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:35:55pm |
re: #141 wlewisiii
Actually that's not a new complaint. The KJV was initiated because the Crown needed a bible translation to counter the very popular and very anti-crown Geneva translation. Over time it has become the traditional bible, but in it's own time it was seen as dangerously liberal and pro-monarchy. The puritans hated it.
Still, the King James Bible, Cranmer's Book of Common Prayer & Shakespeare's poetry define what is English to this day.
It's a fantastic translation, especially given what the the translators had to work with.
Of course, it helped that the translators knew the languages they were working with. It probably helped even more that they actually considered what they were working on to be the word of God, and not merely a political bludgeon.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:36:25pm |
re: #89 Slumbering Behemoth
Huh, I may actually watch Letterman tonight. Neil Peart is gonna be on to do a drum solo.
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BongCrodny Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:38:15pm |
re: #150 freetoken
I would make the GOP candidates do a dance competition instead of a "debate".
Mitt Romney's already got a head start on that one.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:39:25pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:40:19pm |
re: #143 SanFranciscoZionist
I suspect that:
1. If she were a Democrat he would consider her hideous and shrill.
2. I think he likes 'em younger and blonder than that.
I bet he doesn't find Ann Coulter attractive...
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Big Joe Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:40:28pm |
re: #135 HappyWarrior
She's honestly not an unattractive woman but a 10? And I am sure Rush would be calling her a ten if she looekd exactly the same but were a liberal democrat. And great job Rush showing that you only like Palin because she gets your old dick hard.
Actually he has Viagra for that.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:41:01pm |
re: #150 freetoken
I would make the GOP candidates do a dance competition instead of a "debate".
That could be a LOT of fun!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:41:06pm |
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laZardo Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:42:19pm |
Waiting to get some stuff photocopied. What's been happening?
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HappyWarrior Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:43:16pm |
re: #155 Floral Giraffe
I bet he doesn't find Ann Coulter attractive...
I think Coulter is actually older than Palin.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:43:41pm |
re: #151 SanFranciscoZionist
It's a fantastic translation, especially given what the the translators had to work with.
Of course, it helped that the translators knew the languages they were working with. It probably helped even more that they actually considered what they were working on to be the word of God, and not merely a political bludgeon.
They were smart enough to use steal as much from Tyndale and Coverdale as possible. Most of the translators, I think, saw themselves as trying to be more faithful to god's word than those who had been in Geneva. James I, OTOH, was a seriously strange bird.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:44:35pm |
re: #160 HappyWarrior
I think Coulter is actually older than Palin.
She's certainly less physically attractive.
But, physical isn't always something that we can control.
Mental, we can control.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:45:07pm |
re: #159 laZardo
Waiting to get some stuff photocopied. What's been happening?
You've been Xeroxed!
/
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:45:38pm |
re: #158 SanFranciscoZionist
But he will say she is.
Of course he will. It's a conceit among the hyper-partisan that their stars are the better looking people, and Rush plays to that conceit.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:46:46pm |
re: #162 Floral Giraffe
She's certainly less physically attractive.
But, physical isn't always something that we can control.
Mental, we can control.
Fashion, also. My desire to do a makeover on Ann Coulter has been mentioned here before.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:49:37pm |
Here's one yard Killgore's frogs wouldn't want to hop through. One unaware gopher meets its end.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:50:00pm |
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HappyWarrior Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:50:54pm |
re: #162 Floral Giraffe
She's certainly less physically attractive.
But, physical isn't always something that we can control.
Mental, we can control.
I dunno. Can't imagine Ann Coulter without her being a raving lunatic and I'd feel that way about her if she shared my ideology. Just something about that woman. She's a very nasty and hateful person. If I were a Republican or conservative, I'd be embarassed that she's used as a spokeswoman for my ideas since all she does is come across as a bitch.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:52:21pm |
re: #165 SanFranciscoZionist
Fashion, also. My desire to do a makeover on Ann Coulter has been mentioned here before.
No makeover would any good unless you got rid of the hate.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:55:55pm |
re: #169 Dark_Falcon
No makeover would any good unless you got rid of the hate.
True enough, and I probably wouldn't want to spend that much time with her unless she calmed WAY down.
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Mocking Jay Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:56:11pm |
Statehouses for sale.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:57:55pm |
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:59:17pm |
re: #165 SanFranciscoZionist
Fashion, also. My desire to do a makeover on Ann Coulter has been mentioned here before.
I know, someone with that austere a body style and long horse type face (sorry but it is true), should not be wearing the clothing styles she does. I don't think she wants a makeover though, she wants to appear severe so that she is taken seriously.
Even I could make her look better and I know shit all about women's fashions.
(Then again I once had a girlfriend (20ish) who looked remarkably like her and who managed to look gorgeous when she choose to.)
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Jun 9, 2011 9:59:17pm |
re: #170 SanFranciscoZionist
True enough, and I probably wouldn't want to spend that much time with her unless she calmed WAY down.
The scary thing is, she has actually mellowed out over the years.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:01:08pm |
re: #162 Floral Giraffe
She's certainly less physically attractive.
But, physical isn't always something that we can control.
Mental, we can control.
Tell that to Idaho Sarah.
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BongCrodny Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:02:28pm |
And now, a little morality play for those who would rate people on a numerical scale:
NUMBERS
By Shel Silverstein
Performed by Bobby Bare
I was sittin' here Friday suppin' on a glass of wine
When in walked this chick who almost struck me blind
She had wet blue eyes and her legs were long and fine
On a scale of ONE to TEN, I'd give her a NINE.
Now on my scale there ain't no TENs, you know
NINE's about as far as any chick can go
So I flashed her a smile, but she didn't even look at me
So for brains and good judgment -- give her a THREE.
I said, hey sweet thing, you look like a possible EIGHT
You and me could make EIGHTEEN, if your head's on straight
Well, she looked up and down my perfect frame
And said these words that burned into my perfect brain:
She said, well, another one of those macho Texas men
The kind who grade all women on scales of ONE to TEN
Well, you give me an EIGHT, that's a generous thing to do
Now let's just see just how much I give you.
She said you comin' on to me with that phony numbers jive
Your style makes me smile -- give it a FIVE
When you walked up I noticed that suit of yours
It's last year's double knit-french cuffs -- give it a FOUR.
That must be your car parked out on the curb
A SIXTY-NINE homemade convertible -- A THREE and a THIRD
As for your build, I guess you're less than FIVE
'Cept for your pot belly, I'd give that a TEN for size.
That wine you're pourin' might be fine to you
Well, I need fine champagne -- I give it a TWO
It's hard to tell what your flashin' smile is worth
I give it a SIX -- you could use a little dental work.
But it's your struttin' rooster act that really makes me laugh
It may be a TEN to these country hens, but to me -- THREE and a HALF
And there really ain't much to add once the subtractin's done
And since there ain't no ZEROES -- I give you a ONE.
Well, she walked out, while up and down the line
The whole bar was laughin', sayin' "Bare, what happened to your NINE?"
NINE says I, hell, soon as she started talking I knew
Chick didn't have any class -- I barely gave her a TWO.
Yeah, no matter how good they look at first
There's flaws in all of them
That's why on a scale of TEN to ONE, friend
There ain't no TENS.
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ozbloke Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:03:05pm |
I haven't seen this mentioned today.
Schindler's List typist dies in Germany
The man who typed up Oskar Schindler's list which helped save more than 1,000 Jews from the Nazis, Mietek Pemper, has died in Germany aged 91.
Mr Pemper died on Tuesday in Augsburg, southern Germany, and is to be buried in the city's Jewish cemetery on Friday, when municipal authorities will order flags to be lowered to half-mast in his honour.
Born Mieczyslaw Pemper in 1920 in the Polish city of Krakow to a Jewish family, he was imprisoned at the Nazi concentration camp of Plaszow, where he worked as the personal typist for its feared commandant Amon Goeth from March 1943 to September 1944.
It was there that he linked up with German industrialist Schindler.
Mr Pemper secretly read in Goeth's mail from Berlin that all factories that were not producing goods for the Nazi effort should be closed.
He convinced Schindler, an ethnic German from Czechoslovakia and a member of the Nazi party who first sought to profit from Germany's invasion of Poland, to abandon enamel production at his plant and make anti-tank grenade rifles.
Then Mr Pemper, at great risk to his own life, supplied Schindler with a typed list of the names of more than 1,000 fellow prisoners to be recruited for work.
Schindler is credited with saving the lives of some 1,200 Jews through such work schemes as well as bribes paid to German officers.
Mr Pemper later testified against Goeth and other war criminals in trials in Poland after the war. Goeth was hanged in 1946.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:04:00pm |
re: #167 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Bah! That just sounds like someone threw a buncha kid's toys down a flight of stairs!
/grumpy old man
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Mocking Jay Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:04:57pm |
re: #172 wlewisiii
tl;dw. What was said?
Corporations can donate directly to campaigns in Florida and Tennessee.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:05:22pm |
re: #177 ozbloke
I haven't seen this mentioned today.
Schindler's List typist dies in Germany
The man who typed up Oskar Schindler's list which helped save more than 1,000 Jews from the Nazis, Mietek Pemper, has died in Germany aged 91.
Mr Pemper died on Tuesday in Augsburg, southern Germany, and is to be buried in the city's Jewish cemetery on Friday, when municipal authorities will order flags to be lowered to half-mast in his honour.
Born Mieczyslaw Pemper in 1920 in the Polish city of Krakow to a Jewish family, he was imprisoned at the Nazi concentration camp of Plaszow, where he worked as the personal typist for its feared commandant Amon Goeth from March 1943 to September 1944.
It was there that he linked up with German industrialist Schindler.
Mr Pemper secretly read in Goeth's mail from Berlin that all factories that were not producing goods for the Nazi effort should be closed.
He convinced Schindler, an ethnic German from Czechoslovakia and a member of the Nazi party who first sought to profit from Germany's invasion of Poland, to abandon enamel production at his plant and make anti-tank grenade rifles.
Then Mr Pemper, at great risk to his own life, supplied Schindler with a typed list of the names of more than 1,000 fellow prisoners to be recruited for work.
Schindler is credited with saving the lives of some 1,200 Jews through such work schemes as well as bribes paid to German officers.
Mr Pemper later testified against Goeth and other war criminals in trials in Poland after the war. Goeth was hanged in 1946.
RIP. the movie I feel no shame in admtiting made me tear up some. The best and worst of humanity starring each other in the face.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:06:57pm |
re: #168 HappyWarrior
If I were a Republican or conservative, I'd be embarassed that she's used as a spokeswoman for my ideas since all she does is come across as a bitch.
I am, and I am.
Of course, it takes a lefty liberal moonbat like you to say something like "I feel your pain".
/
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:09:26pm |
re: #165 SanFranciscoZionist
Fashion, also. My desire to do a makeover on Ann Coulter has been mentioned here before.
Force feed her In & Out burgers?
/kinda
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alaska kim Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:10:53pm |
Ann Coulter calls a spade a spade, what's wrong with that?
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BongCrodny Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:11:41pm |
re: #183 alaska kim
Ann Coulter calls a spade a spade, what's wrong with that?
I HAVE A BOGEY AT 10:53 HOURS, CAPTAIN!
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:11:50pm |
Remember when your political ideals meet their inevitably crushing defeat at the hands of this imperfect world...
/
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:12:48pm |
re: #183 alaska kim
You just stepped in it. Imma stand back and watch for a minute. Someone wanna start with the highly offensive "Perfected Jews" thing?
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Kragar Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:12:50pm |
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:13:16pm |
re: #183 alaska kim
Ann Coulter calls a spade a spade, what's wrong with that?
She also frequently calls a club a spade while waving her hands and hoping your too stupid to notice. :p
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:14:37pm |
re: #183 alaska kim
That you can even say that with a straight face tells the world all we need to know about you, dear. May the good one have mercy on you.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:15:41pm |
re: #178 Slumbering Behemoth
Lol you try it.
You should check out his other videos. He's pretty amazing and this is from a Peart die-harder.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:15:46pm |
re: #183 alaska kim
Ann Coulter calls a spade a spade, what's wrong with that?
Good lord, you came back for more?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:16:27pm |
re: #182 Floral Giraffe
Force feed her In & Out burgers?
/kinda
She could stand to gain a little weight, but that's not as essential as getting her into some better skirts.
And that hair...seriously, that hair.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:16:35pm |
re: #191 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Hey, I got you to laugh, didn't I?
Honestly though, that was impressive.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:16:39pm |
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alaska kim Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:16:49pm |
re: #192 Floral Giraffe
i'm bored... i need a challenge...
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:16:54pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:17:10pm |
re: #183 alaska kim
Ann Coulter calls a spade a spade, what's wrong with that?
It's more like Ann Coulter calls a rake a spade, and then says it hates America.
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BongCrodny Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:17:19pm |
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Kragar Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:17:19pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:17:25pm |
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:17:43pm |
re: #183 alaska kim
Ann Coulter calls a spade a spade, what's wrong with that?
What's wrong is that she is too stupid to be trusted with regards to the proper identification of garden tools.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:18:26pm |
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:19:21pm |
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alaska kim Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:19:23pm |
re: #202 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Not with you still there...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:19:57pm |
re: #204 prononymous
What's wrong is that she is too
stupidcrooked and hateful to be trusted with regards to the proper identification of garden tools.
FTFY.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:20:04pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:20:25pm |
re: #198 alaska kim
i'm bored... i need a challenge...
Do you need to get banned?
Can't you just go away quietly?
Daddy, daddy, Charles.
So unoriginal.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:20:58pm |
Ann Coulter seems to think being a liberal democrat means you're a traitor and you hate this country. If that's calling a spade a spade then up is 3. She's got a big problem realizing that in a multiparty republic such as ours, different ideologies are allwoed to exist. And hell I believe even David Horowitz pointed out to her that her calling liberal democrats like Truman and JFK communists was nonsense given that they were cold warriors. And then her very Bin Ladensque comment about how we need to kill Muslim leaders and convert the people to Christianity. She's a hateful person. No fear at all here. Oh and she thinks it would be better if women were disenfranchised simply because she doesn't like that most women don't vote her way. She's a totalitarian if you ask me.
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Mocking Jay Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:21:01pm |
WTF, Apple?
Local Architects Not Impressed By Apple's iSpaceship
Apple CEO Steve Jobs showed up for a city council meeting Tuesday to explain the company's plans to consolidate its various rented office spaces into a circular, futuristic building on 150 acres. He told the council members that the proposed building looks a bit like a spaceship.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:21:51pm |
re: #210 Floral Giraffe
Now, now. No need to run this one off. Don't want to give it a persecution complex, do we? ;)
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Kragar Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:22:35pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:24:35pm |
re: #183 alaska kim
I used to think that, and in some ways she used to do that. But she's gotten more-and-more nasty and shrill. And now she's called her latest book attacking the left Demonic. I hear the one after that is to be called I've Gone Over the Top on Invectives: Let's Just Kill Anyone Who Isn't a Conservative!.
/I exaggerate, but not by much.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:25:46pm |
re: #216 Dark_Falcon
I used to think that, and in some ways she used to do that. But she's gotten more-and-more nasty and shrill. And now she's called her latest book attacking the left Demonic. I hear the one after that is to be called I've Gone Over the Top on Invectives: Let's Just Kill Anyone Who Isn't a Conservative Christian!.
/I exaggerate, but not by much.
FT,FY
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:27:17pm |
re: #218 alaska kim
she's messing with your head.
SO which is she? Straight talker or head-messing manipulator?
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MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:29:04pm |
re: #104 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Fuck you, Rush...I dislike Palin nowadays because I found out what she's about, which is herself. She's a vapid opportunist who'd sell out anyone, including her family if it were convenient, for political power, running away if and when it gets too hard for her tastes.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:29:27pm |
re: #216 Dark_Falcon
I used to think that, and in some ways she used to do that. But she's gotten more-and-more nasty and shrill. And now she's called her latest book attacking the left Demonic. I hear the one after that is to be called I've Gone Over the Top on Invectives: Let's Just Kill Anyone Who Isn't a Conservative!.
/I exaggerate, but not by much.
That's I've Gone Over the Top on Invectives: Let's Just Kill Anyone Who Isn't a Conservative Exactly Like I Have Personally Defined Conservatism!.
Let's face reality. Burke would, probably literally, have died laughing his ass off at the sleeze that call themselves Conservative these day & Buckly would probably have needed a gallon pitcher of Martini's to deal with them. Goldwater would have opened fire at 500 meters.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:29:33pm |
re: #218 alaska kim
she's messing with your head.
She can't mess with anyone's head. She's too much the cannon-blaster, always in full attack mode. She'd have to show subtly to mess with people's heads.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:30:57pm |
Ann Coulter causes firestorm in Canada by telling Muslim to 'take a camel' as alternative to flying
Now that's calling a spade a spade. So long as we agree that "spade" is a euphemism for "sand [n-word]".
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Summer Lovin' Torture Party Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:31:23pm |
re: #220 talon_262
Fuck you, Rush...I dislike Palin nowadays because I found out what she's about, which is herself. She's a vapid opportunist who'd sell out anyone, including her family if it were convenient, for political power, running away if and when it gets too hard for her tastes.
Actually, it was a female caller to his show that said that.
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alaska kim Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:32:27pm |
re: #224 Slumbering Behemoth
sorry, but that made me chuckle...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:32:38pm |
re: #221 wlewisiii
I am loving you right now. Don't fuck it up.
;)
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:32:38pm |
re: #213 Slumbering Behemoth
Now, now. No need to run this one off. Don't want to give it a persecution complex, do we? ;)
As I said earlier, you want to keep it, you feed it & clean up after it.
THat being said, you may keep it!
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Kragar Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:32:45pm |
re: #225 Kid A
Actually, it was a female caller to his show that said that.
Caller remarked on it yesterday, Rush doubled down and expanded on it today.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:32:56pm |
re: #224 Slumbering Behemoth
Ann Coulter causes firestorm in Canada by telling Muslim to 'take a camel' as alternative to flying
Now that's calling a spade a spade. So long as we agree that "spade" is a euphemism for "sand [n-word]".
Good God.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:33:16pm |
re: #207 alaska kim
Not with you still there...
Ohhh...I can feel the burn of that all the way back from second grade...
///
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:33:17pm |
re: #226 alaska kim
Racists find racist jokes funny. Not surprised.
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Summer Lovin' Torture Party Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:33:21pm |
re: #219 SanFranciscoZionist
SO which is she? Straight talker or head-messing manipulator?
Neither. When it comes to exploiting wingnut fear for profit, Coulter puts Faux News to shame.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:33:24pm |
re: #219 SanFranciscoZionist
SO which is she? Straight talker or head-messing manipulator?
I vote for head messing manipulator, but, that's just me!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:34:20pm |
re: #226 alaska kim
sorry, but that made me chuckle...
Why? It's bigoted, cheap, and ugly. What's funny about telling a Muslim woman to ride a camel if she wants to get somewhere?
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alaska kim Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:35:06pm |
re: #232 Slumbering Behemoth
I'm not racist, I just find it funny that she can get you folks worked up into such a frenzy!
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Kragar Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:35:23pm |
re: #235 SanFranciscoZionist
Why? It's bigoted, cheap, and ugly. What's funny about telling a Muslim woman to ride a camel if she wants to get somewhere?
Its got to be at least as funny as watch Palin pretend to shoot a caribou, right?
///
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:35:38pm |
re: #227 Slumbering Behemoth
I am loving you right now. Don't fuck it up.
;)
You're welcome. I may be hard left, but I understand conservatism quite well and appreciate the real ones. Honor is rare these days. Goldwater & Mike Harrington, in my book anyway.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:35:40pm |
After the September 11 attack masterminded by a terrorist hoping to spark a religious war, virtually every official and pundit knew better than to take the bait. Except for conservative commentator Ann Coulter, who wrote in a syndicated column on September 12 that in responding to terrorists "we should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."
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Summer Lovin' Torture Party Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:35:52pm |
re: #220 talon_262
Fuck you, Rush...I dislike Palin nowadays because I found out what she's about, which is herself. She's a vapid opportunist who'd sell out anyone, including her family if it were convenient, for political power, running away if and when it gets too hard for her tastes.
Whoa! Opportunists are in politics?
//
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BryanS Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:36:21pm |
re: #216 Dark_Falcon
I used to think that, and in some ways she used to do that. But she's gotten more-and-more nasty and shrill. And now she's called her latest book attacking the left Demonic. I hear the one after that is to be called I've Gone Over the Top on Invectives: Let's Just Kill Anyone Who Isn't a Conservative!.
/I exaggerate, but not by much.
She's become the Kieth Olberman of the right.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:36:49pm |
re: #236 alaska kim
I'm not racist, I just find it funny that she can get you folks worked up into such a frenzy!
I think you have a serious problem with reading comprehension. I am not in a frenzy. I am simply citing examples of what a crooked, hateful person she is. There is a difference.
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BongCrodny Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:37:04pm |
re: #234 Floral Giraffe
I vote for head messing manipulator, but, that's just me!
Ann Coulter: Head-Messing.
Alaska Kim: Head Missing.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:37:08pm |
re: #224 Slumbering Behemoth
Ann Coulter causes firestorm in Canada by telling Muslim to 'take a camel' as alternative to flying
Now that's calling a spade a spade. So long as we agree that "spade" is a euphemism for "sand [n-word]".
It was pure religious bigotry, with a side order of ethnic prejudice. It really turns my crank to hear that. I work with Muslims at my current job as well as at my previous job. Ann Coulter thinks all of them should be third-class citizens because of their religion. It's vile and unworthy of any praise at all.
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freetoken Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:37:19pm |
For some reason the Cain-bots are crowing that Cain punked Bill O'... for some reason I can't fathom:
VOODOO ECONOMICS!!
Cain is in la-la land. No wonder the wingnuts lover him.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:37:23pm |
re: #216 Dark_Falcon
I hear the one after that is to be called I've Gone Over the Top on Invectives: Let's Just Kill Anyone Who Isn't a Conservative!.
/I exaggerate, but not by much.
And convert them all to Christianity.
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alaska kim Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:37:31pm |
re: #237 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Palin could out-shoot you anyday.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:37:33pm |
re: #241 BryanS
She's become the Kieth Olberman of the right.
or rather Keith Olbermann became the Ann Coulter of the left. Keith was still doing sports when Ann's books first started coming out. Not defending Keith, not a fan but I think it's more accurate to describe it that way due to chronology.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:38:01pm |
re: #236 alaska kim
I'm not racist, I just find it funny that she can get you folks worked up into such a frenzy!
I'm not sure that pointing out that Ann Coulter is an opportunistic bigot counts as a 'frenzy'.
Do you understand why what she said was problematic, or do you just figure that anything that upsets liberals is worth a chuckle?
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BryanS Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:38:50pm |
re: #248 HappyWarrior
or rather Keith Olbermann became the Ann Coulter of the left. Keith was still doing sports when Ann's books first started coming out. Not defending Keith, not a fan but I think it's more accurate to describe it that way due to chronology.
I'll accept the friendly amendment :)
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Kragar Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:38:54pm |
re: #247 alaska kim
Palin could out-shoot you anyday.
As long as she has a film crew to edit the target to the ground, I'm sure she could.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:39:00pm |
re: #247 alaska kim
Why does that matter, even IF it's true?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:39:04pm |
re: #238 wlewisiii
I appreciate your consideration and strive to offer the same. Take your pick:
1. *smooch*
2. manly punch on the arm
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MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:39:27pm |
re: #226 alaska kim
sorry, but that made me chuckle...
So you like it when Coulter gets all bigot-y, pulls a Rush, and says it was "satire" and "a joke"?
Piss off...
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:39:37pm |
re: #236 alaska kim
This ain't no frenzy, troll. This is us laughing at you and your "heroine". Kindly return to beneath your bridge.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:40:05pm |
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MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:40:52pm |
re: #236 alaska kim
I'm not racist, I just find it funny that she can get you folks worked up into such a frenzy!
Bigoted dipshits get on my fighting side...and you're pushing your luck.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:40:53pm |
re: #236 alaska kim
I'm not racist, I just find it funny that she can get you folks worked up into such a frenzy!
I find it funny that Obama can get you folks worked up into such a frenzy (even though many of his policies could best be charitably described as centrist). So I guess we are even, ehh?
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:40:57pm |
re: #236 alaska kim
I'm not racist, I just find it funny that she can get you folks worked up into such a frenzy!
Oh if I only had a dime for every fascist I've heard that line from. I'd buy a nice 12 gauge & 7x57 drilling for hunting season.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:41:23pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:41:30pm |
re: #247 alaska kim
Palin could out-shoot you anyday.
Her media persona is fake. She can't shoot for shit.
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MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:41:34pm |
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Summer Lovin' Torture Party Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:41:40pm |
re: #247 alaska kim
Palin could out-shoot you anyday.
She needs six shots with the assistance of her father. I'll take one blindfolded, miss intentionally, then give the Caribou to a petting zoo. Fuck off.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:41:41pm |
re: #250 BryanS
I'll accept the friendly amendment :)
Heh good deal. Seriously, I can't stand people like that. They offer nothing constructive. Just "the other side is a bunch of jerks." Would rather read or hear someone who actually can argue why their ideas are better rather than resorting to "you're traitors."
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alaska kim Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:42:25pm |
re: #257 talon_262
don't let your alligator mouth overload your canary a$$......
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BongCrodny Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:42:31pm |
re: #252 Floral Giraffe
Why does that matter, even IF it's true?
"Palin's more of a man than all you whiny lib guys."
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:43:04pm |
re: #256 Floral Giraffe
Obvious troll is obvious.
And, old.
I sense a troll about to end up with a impression of a giraffe's hoof on its backside. ;)
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:43:09pm |
re: #253 Slumbering Behemoth
I appreciate your consideration and strive to offer the same. Take your pick:
1. *smooch*
2. manly punch on the arm
I'll take the smooch, thank you.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:43:35pm |
re: #236 alaska kim
I'm not racist, I just find it funny that she can get you folks worked up into such a frenzy!
I find it even funnier that just the simple word "Obama" can do that to conservatives.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:44:19pm |
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MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:44:19pm |
re: #247 alaska kim
Palin could out-shoot you anyday.
Only if she had a minigun with a huge continuous-feed ammo box...
/a good shooter only needs one bullet
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:44:31pm |
re: #265 alaska kim
don't let your alligator mouth overload your canary a$$...
Hee hee, look in a mirror lately?
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BryanS Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:44:44pm |
re: #258 ausador
I find it funny that Obama can get you folks worked up into such a frenzy (even though many of his policies could best be charitably described as centrist). So I guess we are even, ehh?
You'd have to be pretty darn charitable to say he's centrist. He's left--not wacky left, but left. He doe not split the middle between wacky left and wacky right. Obama is not the average of Ron Paul with Dennis Kucinich.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:44:53pm |
re: #265 alaska kim
Keep it up a little longer, trolly. Even if I have to go to bed before Stinky whacks you, Talon will still keep your carcass on ice till I can grill your ass proper tomorrow.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:45:25pm |
re: #263 Kid A
She needs six shots with the assistance of her father. I'll take one blindfolded, miss intentionally, then give the Caribou to a petting zoo. Fuck off.
Damn it! I was gonna eat that.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:45:27pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:45:35pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:45:54pm |
re: #274 BryanS
You'd have to be pretty darn charitable to say he's centrist. He's left--not wacky left, but left. He doe not split the middle between wacky left and wacky right. Obama is not the average of Ron Paul with Dennis Kucinich.
Quite Concur.
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MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:46:00pm |
re: #265 alaska kim
That all you got? You ain't worth a toss...
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MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:46:36pm |
re: #270 wlewisiii
5 shots. On camera. At a caribou.
That apparently was deaf and didn't move, IIRC.
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Summer Lovin' Torture Party Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:46:51pm |
re: #265 alaska kim
don't let your alligator mouth overload your canary a$$...
You can say "ass" here. God won't mind. Promise!
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Kragar Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:47:14pm |
re: #270 wlewisiii
5 shots. On camera. At a caribou.
Actually, the evidence doesn't support the claim she ever actually hit it. At least 2 cameras, plus special effects, plus the dialog doesn't match the animal's behavior.
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alaska kim Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:47:22pm |
re: #280 talon_262
I'm trying to push your buttons and you are wussing out... yawn...
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:47:26pm |
re: #271 talon_262
Only if she had a minigun with a huge continuous-feed ammo box...
/a good shooter only needs one bullet
Gah, I so want a Ruger #1 RSI in 7x57 for my next deer rifle. Put a Weaver K4 on it and that would be the best possible hunting rifle for North America.
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MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:47:45pm |
re: #282 Kid A
You can say "ass" here. God won't mind. Promise!
Yeah, there's grownups here...mostly.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:48:30pm |
re: #274 BryanS
You'd have to be pretty darn charitable to say he's centrist. He's left--not wacky left, but left. He doe not split the middle between wacky left and wacky right. Obama is not the average of Ron Paul with Dennis Kucinich.
Just-left-of-DNC left. Oh well, beats just-right-of-DNC-right.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:48:45pm |
re: #247 alaska kim
Palin could out-shoot you anyday.
Charles, can or will, you or Stinky just put this one out of it's misiry?
Before we have to look at it , all night?
TIA!
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Mocking Jay Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:49:00pm |
So I've been watching Rescue Me. In the middle of Season 2. Great show, but... Tommy is a really fucking horrible person. I friggin' hate this guy. If I had to pick a fictional character to know in real life I'd pick Dexter over this guy.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:49:06pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:49:12pm |
re: #282 Kid A
Were you here when we had that gomer that would always type "[expletive deleted]"? I mean, why even bother. If such language offends you, why pretend you're using it?
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Summer Lovin' Torture Party Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:49:25pm |
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Kragar Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:49:30pm |
re: #284 alaska kim
I'm trying to push your buttons and you are wussing out... yawn...
The operative word there being "trying"
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:49:37pm |
re: #284 alaska kim
I'm trying to push your buttons and you are wussing out... yawn...
You are so old news.
Why are you even posting here?
Seriously?
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MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:50:07pm |
re: #284 alaska kim
I'm trying to push your buttons and you are wussing out... yawn...
As they say here in East Nashville: don't start no shit, won't be no shit.
/capisce ?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:50:10pm |
re: #284 alaska kim
Admission of deliberate trolling. I think you're looking for a martyr cookie.
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Summer Lovin' Torture Party Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:50:36pm |
re: #291 Slumbering Behemoth
Were you here when we had that gomer that would always type "[expletive deleted]"? I mean, why even bother. If such language offends you, why pretend you're using it?
Exactly. Kind of like movie ratings. Hey, we get it. "R" means the word "fuck" is used liberally.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:51:35pm |
re: #284 alaska kim
I'm trying to push your buttons and you are wussing out... yawn...
Everyone here has seen the 'made you take the bait' act before.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:51:47pm |
re: #296 Slumbering Behemoth
Admission of deliberate trolling. I think you're looking for a martyr cookie.
Please, a nice, gooey hot chocolaet cookie would just be lovely right now.
You bake, right?
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:51:49pm |
re: #288 Floral Giraffe
Charles, can or will, you or Stinky just put this one out of it's misiry?
Before we have to look at it , all night?
TIA!
No, leave this one alive. It's like a petting zoo troll. She can't even insult us decently. I enjoy having her around - she's so nearly as stupid as The Quitter that she's funny to have around.
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MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:52:04pm |
re: #296 Slumbering Behemoth
Admission of deliberate trolling. I think you're looking for a martyr cookie.
I think Stinky should oblige them and show Lil' Kim the exit, if they don't straighten up and fly right, don't you?
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BongCrodny Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:52:11pm |
Well, that was one of the more interesting things I've had to say tonight.
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Summer Lovin' Torture Party Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:52:11pm |
re: #298 SanFranciscoZionist
Everyone here has seen the 'made you take the bait' act before.
All bait, no bite.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:52:20pm |
re: #289 JasonA
So I've been watching Rescue Me. In the middle of Season 2. Great show, but... Tommy is a really fucking horrible person. I friggin' hate this guy. If I had to pick a fictional character to know in real life I'd pick Dexter over this guy.
I love Tommy. He's so fucking Irish it hurts.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:52:45pm |
re: #294 Floral Giraffe
You are so old news.
Why are you even posting here?
Seriously?
She's jonesing for her Martyr Cookie. When Charles bans her she'll make her triumphant butthurt entry on the Stalker Blog, complaining about how the "Tyrant Chuckles" banned her "for no reason".
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BongCrodny Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:53:18pm |
re: #296 Slumbering Behemoth
Admission of deliberate trolling. I think you're looking for a martyr cookie.
"I beat those libs so bad they kicked me off the site."
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:53:24pm |
re: #283 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Actually, the evidence doesn't support the claim she ever actually hit it. At least 2 cameras, plus special effects, plus the dialog doesn't match the animal's behavior.
I saw a seven year old girl take down a moving buck with one shot. Straight through the neck bone, and it dropped dead right then and there.
Idaho Sarah couldn't come close to that seven year old girl's skills, and I don't just mean in the mental department.
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Summer Lovin' Torture Party Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:53:38pm |
re: #301 wlewisiii
No, leave this one alive. It's like a petting zoo troll. She can't even insult us decently. I enjoy having her around - she's so nearly as stupid as The Quitter that she's funny to have around.
Like watching the animals at the zoo screwing. Point, laugh, move on to the next cage.
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BryanS Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:54:06pm |
re: #297 Kid A
Exactly. Kind of like movie ratings. Hey, we get it. "R" means the word "fuck" is used liberally.
But whatever you do, don't ever dare to use the B@rb@ra Str!#sand swear word !
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MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:54:26pm |
re: #289 JasonA
So I've been watching Rescue Me. In the middle of Season 2. Great show, but... Tommy is a really fucking horrible person. I friggin' hate this guy. If I had to pick a fictional character to know in real life I'd pick Dexter over this guy.
He gets much more interesting...been a good while since I've seen the show, but from what I remember, it's one of the best shows on TV.
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Summer Lovin' Torture Party Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:54:40pm |
re: #306 Dark_Falcon
She's jonesing for her Martyr Cookie. When Charles bans her she'll make her
triumphantbutthurt entry on the Stalker Blog, complaining about how the "Tyrant Chuckles" banned her "for no reason".
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:54:52pm |
re: #306 Dark_Falcon
She's jonesing for her Martyr Cookie. When Charles bans her she'll make her
triumphantbutthurt entry on the Stalker Blog, complaining about how the "Tyrant Chuckles" banned her "for no reason".
Or the other old standby: they could not handle all my truth I have.
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alaska kim Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:54:52pm |
re: #295 talon_262
as the say here in Alaska, 'kill it -n- grill it'
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:55:09pm |
re: #300 Floral Giraffe
Please, a nice, gooey hot chocolaet cookie would just be lovely right now.
You bake, right?
No, I grill. My brother can bake like a mofo, though.
| 316 |
Summer Lovin' Torture Party Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:55:27pm |
re: #306 Dark_Falcon
LGF is sooo irrelevant!
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Kragar Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:55:31pm |
re: #309 Kid A
Like watching the animals at the zoo screwing. Point, laugh, move on to the next cage.
I don't know. Seeing 2 giant tortoises attempt to mate was one of the funniest things I saw and kept me entranced for a good 15 minutes. The noises were the best part.
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Mocking Jay Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:55:32pm |
re: #305 SanFranciscoZionist
I love Tommy. He's so fucking Irish it hurts.
Yeah, I've known Irish guys like that. Lived under the same roof with one for the first eight years or so of my life. It's not that far off.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:55:50pm |
re: #289 JasonA
So I've been watching Rescue Me. In the middle of Season 2. Great show, but... Tommy is a really fucking horrible person. I friggin' hate this guy. If I had to pick a fictional character to know in real life I'd pick Dexter over this guy.
I can understand that. If you aren't a scumbag, you have little to fear from Dexter. And he actually knows how to be polite, which seems to elude Tommy. But I've cut Tommy some slack since working an event dealing with PTSD. Tommy clearly has it bad, and it effects him in ways he doesn't even realize.
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Kragar Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:56:17pm |
re: #314 alaska kim
as the say here in Alaska, 'kill it -n- grill it'
"And if the recipe is too hard, quit half way."
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:56:24pm |
re: #302 talon_262
I dunno. His site, his choice. I seen many more offensive than this one.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:56:54pm |
re: #308 Slumbering Behemoth
I saw a seven year old girl take down a moving buck with one shot. Straight through the neck bone, and it dropped dead right then and there.
Idaho Sarah couldn't come close to that seven year old girl's skills, and I don't just mean in the mental department.
They kept going on during the campaign, about how she was this amazing candidate because she HUNTED STUFF to FEED HER FAMILY.
I kept saying, "So does my husband's grandma, but no one is running her for Veep." (I have an unfortunate number of family photographs featuring Miss Pearl and dead mammals.)
Since the campaign, it just seems that no one is all that impressed with her outdoorsy skills who knows well enough to judge.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:57:21pm |
re: #314 alaska kim
Yeah, but the killing part of that isn't Sarah's strong point.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:57:38pm |
re: #314 alaska kim
as the say here in Alaska, 'kill it -n- grill it'
The first part seems to be the bit Sarah takes her time on.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:57:55pm |
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:58:03pm |
=re: #317 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I don't know. Seeing 2 giant tortoises attempt to mate was one of the funniest things I saw and kept me entranced for a good 15 minutes. The noises were the best part.
Oy! We have a pair of them here in Madison and of course the day they got it on my then 5 year old son had to be along.
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MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:58:21pm |
re: #306 Dark_Falcon
She's jonesing for her Martyr Cookie. When Charles bans her she'll make her
triumphantbutthurt entry on the Stalker Blog, complaining about how the "Tyrant Chuckles" banned her "for no reason".
All around the world, it's the same song:
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:58:40pm |
re: #314 alaska kim
as the say here in Alaska, 'kill it -n- grill it'
Is that a quote from The Quitter?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:59:06pm |
re: #317 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I don't know. Seeing 2 giant tortoises attempt to mate was one of the funniest things I saw and kept me entranced for a good 15 minutes. The noises were the best part.
My favorite recent zoo moment was watching five penguins stand in a row and make these weird booming squawking sounds. It was like a barbershop quintet. They even had suits on.
The penguins at the San Francisco Zoo are a treasure. They're always doing something interesting. They migrated once.
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Summer Lovin' Torture Party Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:59:21pm |
re: #323 Dark_Falcon
Yeah, but the killing part of that isn't Sarah's strong point.
Here, Sarah, it's a basketball. See that? It's called "the broad side of a barn." Oh, oh, oooh!!!! So close!
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Kragar Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:59:30pm |
re: #326 wlewisiii
=
Oy! We have a pair of them here in Madison and of course the day they got it on my then 5 year old son had to be along.
4 year old and a 3 year old with us at the time. "What's that noise, daddy?"
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Mocking Jay Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:59:33pm |
re: #319 Dark_Falcon
I can understand that. If you aren't a scumbag, you have little to fear from Dexter. And he actually knows how to be polite, which seems to elude Tommy. But I've cut Tommy some slack since working an event dealing with PTSD. Tommy clearly has it bad, and it effects him in ways he doesn't even realize.
Yeah, but the guy is a menace to everyone around him. Can only cut so much slack.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Jun 9, 2011 10:59:49pm |
re: #322 SanFranciscoZionist
They kept going on during the campaign, about how she was this amazing candidate because she HUNTED STUFF to FEED HER FAMILY.
I kept saying, "So does my husband's grandma, but no one is running her for Veep." (I have an unfortunate number of family photographs featuring Miss Pearl and dead mammals.)
Since the campaign, it just seems that no one is all that impressed with her outdoorsy skills who knows well enough to judge.
It all seemed so very fake to me. I was kind of amused by the attempt to turn hockey mothers in to this blue collar thing. At least here in Northern Va, hockey is by far the most expensive team sport to play. But yeah the hunting thing seemed just so over the top to me and this coming from someone whose older male relatives are facsimilies of the dudes from the Deer Hunter.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:00:12pm |
re: #321 Slumbering Behemoth
I dunno. His site, his choice. I seen many more offensive than this one.
Like I said, let this one be. She's Funny!
| 336 |
MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:01:16pm |
re: #328 wlewisiii
Is that a quote from The Quitter?
Sounds like she's been listening to Uncle Ted too much....
| 337 |
Mocking Jay Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:01:25pm |
re: #334 wlewisiii
Like I said, let this one be. She's Funny!
Too bad her mommy didn't love her enough.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:01:29pm |
re: #319 Dark_Falcon
I can understand that. If you aren't a scumbag, you have little to fear from Dexter. And he actually knows how to be polite, which seems to elude Tommy. But I've cut Tommy some slack since working an event dealing with PTSD. Tommy clearly has it bad, and it effects him in ways he doesn't even realize.
Yeah. Tommy is not a nice person in any way shape or form, but he's also a survivor who talks to ghosts. I understand what his problem is. Would I want him for a next-door neighbor? Hell no. (Dexter would be fine.)
But they're both really, really well written. In totally different styles.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:01:38pm |
re: #330 Kid A
Here, Sarah, it's a basketball. See that? It's called "the broad side of a barn." Oh, oh, oooh!!! So close!
I wonder, if they took her inside the barn, do you think she could hit the broad side?
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BongCrodny Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:02:17pm |
re: #333 HappyWarrior
At least here in Northern Va, hockey is by far the most expensive team sport to play.
Hey, where in NoVa? I lived in Herndon for 10 years before moving back to South Canada.
Feel free to generalize the location. There are stalkers out there. :-)
| 341 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:02:31pm |
re: #322 SanFranciscoZionist
They kept going on during the campaign, about how she was this amazing candidate because she HUNTED STUFF to FEED HER FAMILY.
I kept saying, "So does my husband's grandma, but no one is running her for Veep." (I have an unfortunate number of family photographs featuring Miss Pearl and dead mammals.)
Since the campaign, it just seems that no one is all that impressed with her outdoorsy skills who knows well enough to judge.
Her entire "Rugged Individualism, Outdoorswoman, You Betchya" persona is fake. A complete fabrication. Mattel's entire line of Barbie dolls contain less plastic.
| 343 |
HappyWarrior Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:03:22pm |
re: #340 BongCrodny
Hey, where in NoVa? I lived in Herndon for 10 years before moving back to South Canada.
Feel free to generalize the location. There are stalkers out there. :-)
Dude I grew up in Herndon. Small world. I live in Western Loudoun now though and go to school at GMU.
| 344 |
MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:03:23pm |
re: #321 Slumbering Behemoth
I dunno. His site, his choice. I seen many more offensive than this one.
Tru dat...Charles' choice, I suppose, though we'll have to put up with Lil' Kim in the meantime.
| 345 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:03:47pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:03:59pm |
re: #327 talon_262
All around the world, it's the same song:
[Video]
They even have a dance for it, the Butthurt Fandango:
1. Show up on a thread and drop a turd of a comment.
2. Blame other people for being offended by the turd.
3. Lie and call the turd a 'rose blossom' when others point out you dropped a turd.
4. Become insulting and abusive when you get called out on your lies.
5. Follow up with delusions of persecution and Sheen-like fantasies that you're "winning".
6. Get booted out on your ass by Charles.
7. Go eat your Martyr Cookie at the Stalker Blog while they praise you for having "stood up to Charles and his cult".
| 347 |
Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:04:24pm |
re: #314 alaska kim
as the say here in Alaska, 'kill it -n- grill it'
We've killed you & grilled you.
Goodnight.
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MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:04:50pm |
re: #342 alaska kim
ok, i'm bored... g'nite all.
Well, you have at least one thing in common with your hero Sarah...you quit while you're behind.
| 349 |
BongCrodny Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:05:10pm |
re: #343 HappyWarrior
Dude I grew up in Herndon. Small world. I live in Western Loudoun now though and go to school at GMU.
Hung out at Jimmy's Old Town Tavern for, uh, ten years.
| 350 |
ProGunLiberal Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:05:18pm |
re: #302 talon_262
Let's not...at least yet.
This raises a question. What is the exact limit of how far I an go. I want to vent 7 years worth of anger (personal and otherwise). She looks like the perfect target.
| 351 |
William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:05:39pm |
| 352 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:05:59pm |
re: #338 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah. Tommy is not a nice person in any way shape or form, but he's also a survivor who talks to ghosts. I understand what his problem is. Would I want him for a next-door neighbor? Hell no. (Dexter would be fine.)
But they're both really, really well written. In totally different styles.
Very true and very well said.
Goodnight, all.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:06:01pm |
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Kragar Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:06:04pm |
re: #342 alaska kim
ok, i'm bored... g'nite all.
You keep using that word, bored. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:06:06pm |
re: #334 wlewisiii
I'm beginning to think it's a Moby that's too far behind the times.
| 356 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:06:07pm |
re: #333 HappyWarrior
It all seemed so very fake to me. I was kind of amused by the attempt to turn hockey mothers in to this blue collar thing. At least here in Northern Va, hockey is by far the most expensive team sport to play. But yeah the hunting thing seemed just so over the top to me and this coming from someone whose older male relatives are facsimilies of the dudes from the Deer Hunter.
I was teaching American Literature to high school juniors during the campaign, and I used some of the adoring articles about Palin as supplemental material when we talked about Natty Bumppo.
Just about every politician out there tries to turn up his or her folksy meter a bit. What was interesting about Palin was that it was over the top, and a number of otherwise sane people tried hard to sell it.
| 357 |
Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:07:15pm |
re: #354 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
You keep using that word, bored. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Can you use that board for spankings?
| 358 |
MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:07:26pm |
re: #355 Slumbering Behemoth
I'm beginning to think it's a Moby that's too far behind the times.
Rip Van Moby didn't get the memo?
| 359 |
HappyWarrior Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:07:30pm |
re: #349 BongCrodny
Hung out at Jimmy's Old Town Tavern for, uh, ten years.
I only went there once. Looked like it would have been a fun place to hang but I turned 21 after I left. But small world huh. I used to ride my bike in to that part of town when I was a little kid because of the baseball card shop there. Nice place to grow up though all and all.
| 360 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:07:40pm |
re: #355 Slumbering Behemoth
I'm beginning to think it's a Moby that's too far behind the times.
Mobies are Dicks.
Goodnight for real this time.
| 361 |
MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:07:59pm |
re: #350 ProLifeLiberal
Let's not...at least yet.
This raises a question. What is the exact limit of how far I an go. I want to vent 7 years worth of anger (personal and otherwise). She looks like the perfect target.
Heh.
| 362 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:08:39pm |
re: #355 Slumbering Behemoth
I'm beginning to think it's a Moby that's too far behind the times.
That's my read. But what do I know?
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MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:09:47pm |
re: #347 Floral Giraffe
We've killed you & grilled you.
Goodnight.
Lil' Kim must really like self-abuse, because that's the only reason that I can think of why they're still plugging away here.
| 364 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:10:09pm |
re: #362 SanFranciscoZionist
More than you let on, I'll wager.
| 365 |
ProGunLiberal Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:11:18pm |
re: #361 talon_262
I really don't want her banned till I can rage at her. Give me 24 hours.
| 366 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:11:27pm |
| 367 |
Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:11:44pm |
re: #363 talon_262
Or, a stalker with a sock puppet.
I think there are lots of those left alive.
Cue: Stinky!
| 368 |
HappyWarrior Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:14:16pm |
re: #356 SanFranciscoZionist
I was teaching American Literature to high school juniors during the campaign, and I used some of the adoring articles about Palin as supplemental material when we talked about Natty Bumppo.
Just about every politician out there tries to turn up his or her folksy meter a bit. What was interesting about Palin was that it was over the top, and a number of otherwise sane people tried hard to sell it.
The whole thing seemed just so fake ot me. And then it came out that she wa spending what was in many places a year's salary on clothes all while she was being promoted as "representative of real America." But you know what kind of angered me was when she insuinated that Biden being a long term senator had lost connection with real Americans. This is a guy who first hand had to deal with tragedy in his family and he kept on commuting back and forth to work. The one aspect of the campaign I liked most is that Joe Biden grew a lot in my eyes. In the past, I saw him as obnoxious but I really grew to like the guy the more I saw. He dare I say was more "genuine" than Palin despite being a senate lifer.
| 369 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:16:14pm |
One more just for fun:
Ann Coulter Attacks 9/11 Widows
Coulter writes in a new book, "Godless: The Church of Liberalism," that a group of New Jersey widows whose husbands perished in the World Trade Center act "as if the terrorist attacks happened only to them."
She also wrote, "I've never seen people enjoying their husbands' deaths so much."
That's not calling a spade a spade. That's behaving like an actively hateful sea-word.
| 370 |
MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:18:35pm |
re: #369 Slumbering Behemoth
One more just for fun:
Ann Coulter Attacks 9/11 Widows
That's not calling a spade a spade. That's behaving like an actively hateful sea-word.
I'll say it, slightly different: Coulter's a fucking bitch.
| 371 |
William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:18:48pm |
Ok, tomorrow is the last day of school here so I have to get my butt to bed so that I can get my son to school on time once more.
Once more into the breach, as it were.
So have a good night all.
And Kimmie? Smooches!!!! LOL!!!
| 372 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:18:58pm |
re: #368 HappyWarrior
The whole thing seemed just so fake ot me. And then it came out that she wa spending what was in many places a year's salary on clothes all while she was being promoted as "representative of real America." But you know what kind of angered me was when she insuinated that Biden being a long term senator had lost connection with real Americans. This is a guy who first hand had to deal with tragedy in his family and he kept on commuting back and forth to work. The one aspect of the campaign I liked most is that Joe Biden grew a lot in my eyes. In the past, I saw him as obnoxious but I really grew to like the guy the more I saw. He dare I say was more "genuine" than Palin despite being a senate lifer.
The clothes thing didn't seem totally nuts to me. A woman can't campaign in three suits and a bunch of ties, and I don't think Palin started with the kind of wardrobe you need for a campaign like that.
OTOH, given that I was being bombarded during that period by how damn folksy she was, I didn't quite understand why she couldn't just go to Macys, but there it was.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:21:10pm |
re: #372 SanFranciscoZionist
The clothes thing didn't seem totally nuts to me. A woman can't campaign in three suits and a bunch of ties, and I don't think Palin started with the kind of wardrobe you need for a campaign like that.
OTOH, given that I was being bombarded during that period by how damn folksy she was, I didn't quite understand why she couldn't just go to Macys, but there it was.
Yeah it wasn't a huge deal. Now, I took huge offense at her going to my state which I imagine was the first time she had ever been here and speaking in a more conservative part about how glad she was to be in the real Virginia. I am glad that Obama and Biden took advantage of that by pointing out there is no part of America or Virginia that is more real than the other. I am I admit a littel sensitive to politicans engaing in that since after all this is Virginia where Senator Allen told an Indian American student "welcome to the real Virginia."
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freetoken Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:22:39pm |
Beck had Cain on. Since I don't watch Beck I wait until is shows up on Youtube. So I watched... (sigh). Here are Cain's low-lights (just skip the first 14 minutes as their normal Beck rants):
14:00 comes on
16:20 Cain tries to walk back his now famous Muslim-statement .. Beck is straight -up asking about a "loyalty proof" and Cain digs deeper by saying he would not require it of a Catholic or Mormon... goes on about "Sharia law"...
20:33 Churchill Bust issue - that therefore means Obama doesn't think the UK is our ally anymore
20:40 Obama threw Israel under the bus
21:00 If Israel collapses the whole West collapses
22:30 Feeds Beck's paranoia/delight at the coming "fall" of Europe
23:00 Agrees with Beck that our economy is "intentionally" being made weak (this is real JBS stuff here...)
31:50 Gets back to accusing the Administration of "intent in doing some of these things" when Beck sets him up with a banking/economy failure scenario. Cain tries to defend being part of the Fed back in the 90's, but implies that the Fed is different today and that is why we're in trouble.
37:20 Concludes with that he is not convinced that Obama has America's "best interests at heart".
( MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE!! ? )
No wonder Cain is a rising star among the wingnuts.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:23:51pm |
re: #369 Slumbering Behemoth
One more just for fun:
Ann Coulter Attacks 9/11 Widows
That's not calling a spade a spade. That's behaving like an actively hateful sea-word.
Honest, I forgot all about that incident. Believe she also said something ot the effect that those women's husbands hated them. You know aside from being hateful another reason why conservatives should hate Coulter is that she contributes nothing to conservative ideology. She's just an immature child who debates as if she was still in 6th grade. And those woh love her only do because she makes them feel better about themselves because they're insecure as hell.
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MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:26:46pm |
re: #374 freetoken
Cain's hitting all the right wingnut buttons, ain't he?
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freetoken Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:28:09pm |
re: #376 talon_262
He's playing them like a fine-tuned instrument.
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MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:31:32pm |
re: #377 freetoken
He's playing them like a fine-tuned instrument.
I don't think Cain's got a chance in hell of getting the TPGOP nom, no matter how much he panders. The bigots will find (or make up) reasons to avoid him for general party consumption, just as they will with Romney and Huntsman
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freetoken Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:37:22pm |
re: #378 talon_262
He's the hot item du jour. He'll give the other theocrats a run for their money in the early states. I expect them all to implode before the end, and someone like Romney will end up with the nomination by default, though nobody will like him.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:39:50pm |
re: #372 SanFranciscoZionist
re: #373 HappyWarrior
What ticked me off during the campaign, despite being a MCCAIN!/palin supporter was the "Lipstickgate" idiocy.
When Obama made the speech about McCain saying he was also for "Change", yet endorsing all the same polices of the Bush admin., he refereed to that as trying to put "lipstick on a pig".
Immediately, and idiotically, the wingnuts tried to spin that into him making a disgusting, sexist slam against Palin because he was "obviously riffing on the hockey mom/bulldog" comment made by Palin.
Blatantly dishonest, or blatantly stupid. I don't care for either.
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MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:44:38pm |
re: #379 freetoken
He's the hot item du jour. He'll give the other theocrats a run for their money in the early states. I expect them all to implode before the end, and someone like Romney will end up with the nomination by default, though nobody will like him.
Cain's novelty is that he's the anti-Obama; I think we'll see how entrenched and obvious the bigots in the party have become by how well he does. However, I think he'll be sabotaged or set up for a fall to clear the way for one more either more likely to appeal to the hardcore TPers or someone elevated by the party elite like Romney may be, IMO.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:46:16pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:54:25pm |
re: #382 Slumbering Behemoth
I'll hate myself in the morning for this, but...
Junior O'Daniel: We could hire our own midget, even shorter than his.
Pappy O'Daniel: Wouldn't we look like a bunch of Johnny-come-latelies, bragging on our own midget, doesn't matter how stumpy.
Midgets can be cute, you know...
//
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:56:56pm |
re: #383 Floral Giraffe
"I've got a midget friend, an albino friend, and another friend who thinks "Lord of the Rings" is real. Together we call ourselves 'The Unfuckables'."
- Dave Attell
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MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Jun 9, 2011 11:57:11pm |
re: #383 Floral Giraffe
Midgets can be cute, you know...
//
Billy Barty wouldn't have qualified as "cute", you know...helluva actor though.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:01:06am |
"Remember when you're young and you think your dad is Superman? And then you grow up and realize he's just a drunk who wears a cape."
- also Dave Attell
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:02:38am |
re: #386 Slumbering Behemoth
The pink silk lining suits you to a tee.
FASHIONISTA! in the making.
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freetoken Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:03:44am |
re: #382 Slumbering Behemoth
re: #381 talon_262
Cain is a Baptist preacher and uses the tools of homiletics well. Underneath though it is all a mix of superstition and crafted appeals to biases.
It's like the pizza he used to sell: just like only those without the ability to differentiate good food from bad would actually consider that stuff "food", the ignorant of history, civics, and economics will fall for his campaign spiel.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:04:04am |
Morning all!
How is your day/evening going?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:05:27am |
re: #388 freetoken
re: #381 talon_262
Cain is a Baptist preacher and uses the tools of homiletics well. Underneath though it is all a mix of superstition and crafted appeals to biases.
It's like the pizza he used to sell: just like only those without the ability to differentiate good food from bad would actually consider that stuff "food", the ignorant of history, civics, and economics will fall for his campaign spiel.
I had to look it up. Homiletics.
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MittDoesNotCompute Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:05:34am |
re: #385 talon_262
Though, I imagine Warwick Davis (Return of the Jedi, Willow, and Harry Potter Davis, not Leprechaun Davis) is more your speed, Giraffe ;-P
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:07:31am |
re: #375 HappyWarrior
Honest, I forgot all about that incident. Believe she also said something ot the effect that those women's husbands hated them. You know aside from being hateful another reason why conservatives should hate Coulter is that she contributes nothing to conservative ideology. She's just an immature child who debates as if she was still in 6th grade. And those woh love her only do because she makes them feel better about themselves because they're insecure as hell.
and skanky --you forgot to add that she is skanky!
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MittDoesNotCompute Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:12:30am |
re: #388 freetoken
re: #381 talon_262
Cain is a Baptist preacher and uses the tools of homiletics well. Underneath though it is all a mix of superstition and crafted appeals to biases.
It's like the pizza he used to sell: just like only those without the ability to differentiate good food from bad would actually consider that stuff "food", the ignorant of history, civics, and economics will fall for his campaign spiel.
The man can speak, that's for sure, but in the end, I think it'll all be for naught; the bigots, nor the party elite, will never let him be a threat to their preferred candidates
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:12:40am |
from my pages post this an article entitled:
"Louisiana House may consider bill to ban abortion"
comment by Lobengula:
"Thank god both these states have introduced anti-shariah legislation. Now their respective inhabitants are safe from crazy, extremist laws"
Don't you think Lobengula deserves an upding or two?
Made me LOL, so spot on!
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:14:51am |
Sleepy time for me.
So be well,dear Lizards.
Or be VERY naughty.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:15:31am |
re: #394 ggt
Don't you think Lobengula deserves an upding or two?
Maybe, if you could format a proper link.
;)
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MittDoesNotCompute Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:16:19am |
re: #396 Floral Giraffe
Sleepy time for me.
So be well,dear Lizards.
Or be VERY naughty.
Adios, muchaca...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:19:20am |
THe Latest from NPR --American's polled about government/private insurance funded Contraception
No shit Sherlock!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:20:13am |
Da@m! I seem to be linky challenged lately.
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The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:21:25am |
re: #236 alaska kim
I'm not racist, I just find it funny that she can get you folks worked up into such a frenzy!
....and I find it funny that we work you up so much.
I come to this site and interact positively with fifty someodd people--oh sure, sometimes I get upset, and even lash out, but mostly I'm here to relax...even my giant blocky posts are quite casual creations.
Your motive is...what? You don't actually argue in any meaningful sense, you barely contribute to discussions...so basically you're here to absorb scorn? I can only imagine that you've built up some kind of schemata where you imagine you're ruining our day, or in some other fashion controlling us with your statements. I mean, you're deriving satisfaction from causing several seconds of mild annoyance? Because that's what being achieved here: noone's losing sleep over you...heck, the stuff you say doesn't even raise my blood pressure, and I'll bet that's true even of the people who do respond to you...they snark back and then get on with their lives. This post--twenty minutes of composition--is as much thought as I'm ever going to give you.
Whether you really are whimsically taking the piss, or actually trying really hard to generate a reaction...and, frankly the patterns of your activity here suggest you're trying awfully, awfully hard...it's just squalid and petty.
...and I think you know it is. I think you're so aware of it that you're desperately trying to fluff that squalid pettiness into some kind of mythopoetic struggle where you holding off a multitude of enemies while emerging unscathed. But we're not the ravening liberal hordes--we're people pissing about on a chat board where the most lethal, cutthroat discussions might lead to several hours of mild grumpiness. You're priding yourself on guerilla tactics in a game of playground tag; you're swaggering because you counted coup on a teddy bear.
And you're not even a good enough playground bully to win your own victories; you're actually the second stringer in your own trolling attempts, cheering on Palin and Coulter as they triumph in an imaginary battle of wills versus the people who wrote a snarky sentence about them.
Your craftsmanship as a provocateur is so poor I want to give you pointers,
your standards of achievement are set so low that mosquitoes view you as unmotivated, and your retorts and comebacks are so trite and repetitive that you're failing the Turing Test, nightly, on this board.
I've spent twenty-five minutes on you...most of it laughing.
Your time's up.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:27:04am |
re: #399 ggt
Could use a bit of format editing, but otherwise...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:29:57am |
re: #402 Slumbering Behemoth
Could use a bit of format editing, but otherwise...
I know, I get too riled-up to get it just right.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:32:21am |
re: #401 The Ghost of a Flea
Gawt damn that's one helluva pile-driver!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:33:33am |
re: #403 ggt
"Never enough time to do it right; always enough time to do it over".
At least in the Pages, anyway.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:34:22am |
re: #405 Slumbering Behemoth
"Never enough time to do it right; always enough time to do it over".
At least in the Pages, anyway.
I'm too tired, I'll have to fix it in the morning. If I do it now, it will just end-up worse. . . .
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:38:31am |
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AK-47% Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:38:43am |
re: #401 The Ghost of a Flea
Just got here, are we in tailspin already?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:39:25am |
Ok, I'm pooped.
Have a great morning all!
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MittDoesNotCompute Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:42:49am |
re: #409 ralphieboy
Just got here, are we in tailspin already?
Nah, Alaska Kim spewed, ran, and thought they won a moral victory, when in reality, they just drooled all over the carpet...she's long gone though.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:43:07am |
re: #410 ggt
You're not getting out of here until you vote on possible Jägermeister commercials...
*LANGUAGE WARNING*
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MittDoesNotCompute Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:43:33am |
re: #409 ralphieboy
The room's about dead for the overnight...about to hit the sheets myself.
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MittDoesNotCompute Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:46:01am |
re: #412 Slumbering Behemoth
You're not getting out of here until you vote on possible Jägermeister commercials...
[Video]*LANGUAGE WARNING*
"Did I just eat a hooker? JAGER!"
LOL!
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MittDoesNotCompute Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:47:56am |
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AK-47% Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:59:17am |
Jägermeister and Weizenbier used to be local, regional products here in Germany until the 80's, when they spread all over the nation. Now they have gone on to conquer bar rooms all over Amerika...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:04:05am |
re: #416 ralphieboy
Never had any problems with Jager. Did pass out in a grave yard once, though.
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AK-47% Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:07:01am |
re: #417 Slumbering Behemoth
I usually stick to clear stuff: vodka, tequila, rum...with the exception of kahlua in coffee.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:15:04am |
re: #419 ralphieboy
I'm too cheap broke to drink the hard stuff. I'll drink shitty beer, but I refuse to drink shitty liquor.
I do like the tequila. Cazadores, and of course, Patron.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:22:03am |
re: #380 Slumbering Behemoth
Immediately, and idiotically, the wingnuts tried to spin that into him making a disgusting, sexist slam against Palin because he was "obviously riffing on the hockey mom/bulldog" comment made by Palin.
Blatantly dishonest, or blatantly stupid. I don't care for either.
Ah yes, 2008. Lol the year rightwing men suddenly discovered "sexism" /eyeroll
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:24:37am |
re: #393 talon_262
The man can speak, that's for sure, but in the end, I think it'll all be for naught; the bigots, nor the party elite, will never let him be a threat to their preferred candidates
He's only good to them as a bat to beat Obama. If this were any other election year, he wouldn't even merit a mention, to them. Sad, that so many conservatives are so cynical and self-loathing they let themselves be used in this way.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:39:59am |
re: #411 talon_262
Nah, Alaska Kim spewed, ran, and thought they won a moral victory, when in reality, they just drooled all over the carpet...she's long gone though.
She came, she saw, she failed.
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laZardo Fri, Jun 10, 2011 2:10:25am |
re: #423 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
She came, she saw, she failed.
Thread died because everybody had to apply copious amounts of brain bleach.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Jun 10, 2011 2:30:04am |
re: #424 laZardo
Thread died because everybody had to apply copious amounts of brain bleach.
Sigh..posting in the post-Weiner era. lol
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researchok Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:14:28am |
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freetoken Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:18:14am |
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researchok Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:22:27am |
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researchok Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:26:04am |
re: #431 freetoken
Don't know what happened to that one.
Oh well, here is a consolation prize:
[Video]
I'm going back to the Kessel piece...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:32:07am |
Woke up, threw on my computer, started the streaming audio from the news station and who is being interviewed: Pammy. I don't know where she is from, but I'll tell you, she sure works hard at hiding her accent.
And good motning honcos.
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The Left Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:40:22am |
Good morning from the seekrit soros lair in Scotland! hope everyone is well today.
I'm looking at memeorandum and it's still nothing but weiner. Weiner all the time.
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researchok Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:44:11am |
re: #435 iceweasel
Good morning from the seekrit soros lair in Scotland! hope everyone is well today.
I'm looking at memeorandum and it's still nothing but weiner. Weiner all the time.
I'm Anthony Weinered out.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:44:15am |
re: #435 iceweasel
Good morning from the seekrit soros lair in Scotland! hope everyone is well today.
I'm looking at memeorandum and it's still nothing but weiner. Weiner all the time.
Aren't you Soros folks suppose to be at the Buildaburger super seekrit meeting?
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researchok Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:45:03am |
re: #437 Cannadian Club Akbar
Aren't you Soros folks suppose to be at the Buildaburger super seekrit meeting?
Must you draw attention to us?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:46:20am |
re: #438 researchok
Must you draw attention to us?
It makes me wish I was still staying up late at night so I could listen to Coast to Coast AM. I do love the crazies.
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researchok Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:48:20am |
re: #439 Cannadian Club Akbar
It makes me wish I was still staying up late at night so I could listen to Coast to Coast AM. I do love the crazies.
Art Bell...
Is he still around?
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The Left Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:48:23am |
re: #437 Cannadian Club Akbar
Aren't you Soros folks suppose to be at the Buildaburger super seekrit meeting?
Quiet, you! /
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researchok Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:50:27am |
See my Sarah Apple and Palin History
You'll laugh
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:50:51am |
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The Left Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:51:55am |
re: #436 researchok
I'm Anthony Weinered out.
Same here. The other big story is Newt's capsizing campaign. Bored with it already.
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researchok Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:52:08am |
re: #443 Cannadian Club Akbar
He occasionally host the show.
I was hooked on that for a while.
Really hooked
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The Left Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:52:50am |
re: #442 researchok
See my Sarah Apple and Palin History
You'll laugh
Those were great! I love someecards.
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researchok Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:53:45am |
re: #444 iceweasel
Same here. The other big story is Newt's capsizing campaign. Bored with it already.
Yup.
I didn't care about before the implosion.
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researchok Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:54:18am |
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:57:11am |
Good Morning Honcos!
Tonight my wife and I are taking my Mother in Law out for dinner for what would have been her and my FIL's 50th wedding anniversary. He passed away in 09 from pancreatic cancer. He was a great American who worked tirelessly as a volunteer for Habitat for Humanity after he got too old to be the Captain of the local volunteer Fire Department.
Taking her to McCormick and Schmicks in Crystal City.
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The Left Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:59:40am |
Bachmann menaced by Teh Ghey Agenda!
Following Rep. Michele Bachmann’s appearance with Chris Matthews yesterday, America is learning what many in Minnesota already knew, which is that putting Bachmann in front of a live microphone is like handing an excitable 15-year-old a bottle of gin and a loaded gun. The only question is when something unspeakable is going to happen.Bachmann is no stranger to the hysterical off-the-cuff reaction. In her BC (Before Congress) incarnation, perhaps the most celebrated instance of Michele being Michele was a bizarre 2005 incident in a little town called Scandia. At the conclusion of a heated town meeting, then-state Sen. Bachmann retreated to a bathroom, where a couple of her constituents followed to continue the argument.
Then, according to a police report (PDF) that Bachmann later filed with the Washington County Sheriff’s Office:
BACHMAN [sic] STATED THAT WHEN SHE WAS GETTING READY TO LEAVE SHE WENT TO THE RESTROOM. SENATOR BACHMAN STATED THAT WHEN SHE WAS TRYING TO LEAVE THE RESTROOM, 2 WOMEN BLOCKED IN AND TOLD HER THEY WANTED TO CONTINUE TALKING. SEN BACHMAN STATED SHE WAS AFRAID AND SCREAMED FOR HELP. THE 2 WOMEN LET HER LEAVE THE RESTROOM WHEN SHE SCREAMED. THE WOMEN ARE BELIEVED TO BE W/ THE GLBT GROUP.
In short, Michele Bachmann claimed to have been briefly kidnapped, and caused to fear for her safety, by a pair of argumentative lesbian constituents. The incident never resulted in charges, in part because Bachmann’s own account of it kept shifting. (The Dump Bachmann blog has a good contemporaneous summary.)
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:01:50am |
re: #450 iceweasel
Bachmann menaced by Teh Ghey Agenda!
The last thing she needs at this point in teh campaign is to catch the ghey!
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AK-47% Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:04:04am |
If they can threaten a full-grown woman like MB, think of what they can do your children...
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:05:17am |
re: #452 ralphieboy
If they can threaten a full-grown woman like MB, think of what they can do your children...
Thank God she had the courage to scream like a little girl when they tried to talk to her! We don't need lesbians acting all uppity around straight people!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:06:37am |
re: #452 ralphieboy
If they can threaten a full-grown woman like MB, think of what they can do your children...
I'm seeing painted toe nails on boys while listening to Liza Minnelli tunes. GAH!!!
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AK-47% Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:07:08am |
re: #453 rwdflynavy
Thank God she had the courage to scream like a little girl when they tried to talk to her! We don't need lesbians acting all uppity around straight people!
She shoulda been packing some peeper spray...
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:15:17am |
re: #455 ralphieboy
She shoulda been packing some peeper spray...
Wouldn't that be for repelling Weiners?
//
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:20:03am |
Holy crap!! Look at the size of this effer!!!
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:27:10am |
Okay, first? I didn't watch the video. I can take, oh, about thirty seconds of Hannity before he becomes an embarrassing "brown noise". But, Foley was involved in a similar (sexting being the similarity) scandal (of which he was guilty) and Hannity asked him right out of the box about what is going through Weiner's mind.
Strikes me as a perfectly appropriate interviewee.
Unless something happened after the initial question that made this inappropriate.
He's less than an inch from being a child molester, IMO.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:32:41am |
Alrighty. Gotta run. See ya'll this afternoon.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:38:31am |
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William of Orange Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:40:25am |
Got to hand it to Hannity, this is an expert on the field of family values (...)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:48:23am |
re: #463 William of Orange
I'm starting to think that a man talks publicly about family values, the more male prostitutes he has put out a cigarette on their ass.
(gosh that syntax looks wrong but I can't figure out how to rephrase it)
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:54:09am |
Good morning lizards. I had a great cheesecake holiday, and my son's family is staying for the weekend.
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Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:56:57am |
re: #460 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
A big difference with Foley is the age-- even though some of these women Weiner texted were young, there's a huge difference between 16-18 year olds and over twenty year olds. The pages can't be older than 17 when they apply for the post.
In addition, the whole congressional page thing makes it a power imbalance thing, an abuse of power. That's another big difference.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:02:59am |
re: #466 Obdicut
Of course. I was saying that sexting is the similarity and Foley does know, first hand what is going through the other guy's mind.
It struck me as an appropriate interviewee. I wasn't comparing the severity of their crimes.
Still can't stand to watch Hannity, though. So it may have turned out to be an inappropriate-fest!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:04:09am |
re: #465 Alouette
Well, that kind of turned me on. What is a cheesecake holiday and how do I get one?
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Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:05:56am |
re: #467 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Of course. I was saying that sexting is the similarity and Foley does know, first hand what is going through the other guy's mind.
I dunno. The same thing can be done by different people for vastly different reasons and from vastly different impulses. I don't assume people sharing the same vice share the same mindset about that vice.
To me, it's a rather labored and petty attempt by the right-wing media to equate Weiner's misdeeds with those of Foley.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:07:20am |
re: #465 Alouette
Good morning lizards. I had a great cheesecake holiday, and my son's family is staying for the weekend.
Mm what kind of cheesecake did you have for the holiday?
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:08:46am |
re: #468 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Well, that kind of turned me on. What is a cheesecake holiday and how do I get one?
Jewish festival of Shavuos, celebrating the giving of the 10 Commandments. It's traditional to eat dairy food and cheesecake is a favorite. Here is my favorite cheesecake recipe.
We also had cheese blintzes and ice cream sundaes.
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:09:36am |
Sorry to say there are no leftovers.
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BongCrodny Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:14:32am |
re: #401 The Ghost of a Flea
I've spent twenty-five minutes on you...most of it laughing.
Your time's up.
Awesome.
But about 24:45 longer than the troll deserves.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:23:36am |
re: #471 Alouette
Oh, you Jews and dairy...
/
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:27:44am |
Good morning lizards!
Justice is served in an Oakland courtroom:
California community group leader and another man found guilty in murder of journalist
OAKLAND, Calif. — A jury convicted the leader of a financially troubled community group of three murders, including the shotgun shooting death of the first American journalist killed on U.S. soil for reporting a story in nearly two decades.
Yusuf Bey IV, former head of Your Black Muslim Bakery, was found guilty Thursday in a month-long spree of violence that culminated with the August 2007 shooting of Chauncey Bailey while he walked to the newspaper where he was investigating the financial woes of Bey’s group.
Jurors also found co-defendant Antoine Mackey guilty in the murders of Bailey and Michael Wills, but deadlocked on a murder charge against him in the death of Odell Roberson Jr.
“I hope that it sends the message that the First Amendment is not going to be murdered by murdering journalists,” prosecutor Melissa Krum said of the verdicts. “You cannot kill the man and expect the message to be killed.”
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Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:30:47am |
re: #476 NJDhockeyfan
Good. Chauncey Bailey was a hell of a good guy and a good journalist.
This doesn't bring him back, but any murder actually getting solved in Oakland is good thing.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:38:44am |
This could be severely troubling for Israel...
Report: Arms smuggled into Gaza from Libya
Israel is concerned that unrest in Libya has created a new smuggling route for weapons into Gaza, Hebrew-language media reported Friday.
The Israeli newspaper Maariv said fighting against Moammar Gadhafi's regime in Libya had weakened the leader's control and allowed the flow of weapons into the hands of arms dealers and "terror organizations."
Weapons were smuggled from Libya through Egypt and into Gaza via underground tunnels, the report said.
According to Maariv, Egyptian authorities were trying to intercept the weapons, but many convoys managed to reach Gaza.
Hundreds of Grad rockets with ranges of 60 - 70 kilometers had been smuggled into Gaza in recent weeks, strengthening Hamas and posing a serious threat to Israel, the newspaper reported.
Short-range rockets, rifles and ammunition had also been smuggled into the coastal enclave, the report said.
Israeli officials had received information that Russian-made anti-tank missiles that had been sold to Libya were now in the hands of rebel forces in the south, the newspaper said, adding that Israeli security officials feared the missiles would be smuggled into Gaza.
I'm sure the UN will get right on this.
//
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:41:08am |
re: #478 NJDhockeyfan
This could be severely troubling for Israel...
Report: Arms smuggled into Gaza from Libya
I'm sure the UN will get right on this.
//
Right after they sign the declaration for a Palestinian State.
//
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:42:20am |
Morning Lizardim. Happy Friday from the cool and rainy wild north country. After the heat wave that rolled through at the beginning of the week, we could sure use both.
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garhighway Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:43:47am |
Morning, all.
Here's the Firday Krugman:
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
A sample:
What lies behind this trans-Atlantic policy paralysis? I’m increasingly convinced that it’s a response to interest-group pressure. Consciously or not, policy makers are catering almost exclusively to the interests of rentiers — those who derive lots of income from assets, who lent large sums of money in the past, often unwisely, but are now being protected from loss at everyone else’s expense.
Of course, that’s not the way what I call the Pain Caucus makes its case. Instead, the argument against helping the unemployed is framed in terms of economic risks: Do anything to create jobs and interest rates will soar, runaway inflation will break out, and so on. But these risks keep not materializing. Interest rates remain near historic lows, while inflation outside the price of oil — which is determined by world markets and events, not U.S. policy — remains low.
And against these hypothetical risks one must set the reality of an economy that remains deeply depressed, at great cost both to today’s workers and to our nation’s future. After all, how can we expect to prosper two decades from now when millions of young graduates are, in effect, being denied the chance to get started on their careers?
Ask for a coherent theory behind the abandonment of the unemployed and you won’t get an answer. Instead, members of the Pain Caucus seem to be making it up as they go along, inventing ever-changing rationales for their never-changing policy prescriptions.
While the ostensible reasons for inflicting pain keep changing, however, the policy prescriptions of the Pain Caucus all have one thing in common: They protect the interests of creditors, no matter the cost. Deficit spending could put the unemployed to work — but it might hurt the interests of existing bondholders. More aggressive action by the Fed could help boost us out of this slump — in fact, even Republican economists have argued that a bit of inflation might be exactly what the doctor ordered — but deflation, not inflation, serves the interests of creditors. And, of course, there’s fierce opposition to anything smacking of debt relief.
It would be nice to see the economic discussion refocus on jobs.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:45:01am |
Meanwhile the Jerusalem Post reports gets a UN report on Iranian arms shipments...
‘Iran caught 10 times trying to send arms to terrorists'
Iran has been caught red-handed in 10 different attempts in recent years to transfer weaponry to terrorists throughout the Middle East, including a recent case, in April, when a shipment of advanced missiles was caught en-route to Taliban forces in Afghanistan, according to a United Nations report obtained Thursday by The Jerusalem Post.The report was submitted three weeks ago to the Security Council by a UN group of experts that monitors compliance with UN sanctions imposed on Iran. The report was leaked to the Internet and obtained by a number of leading Israeli defense analysts.
The report documents all 10 cases of arms smuggling, including the case of the Victoria cargo ship, which was stopped by the Israel Navy earlier this year carrying arms for Hamas. In the most recent case cited, British forces in Afghanistan found a weapons shipment of advanced Iranian-made anti-ship missiles and 122 mm. rockets en route to Taliban forces in Afghanistan.
In March, Turkish authorities stopped an Iranian cargo plane bound for Syria. At the time, Turkey tried to downplay the news, but the UN report reveals that authorities discovered dozens of AK-47 assault rifles and close to 2,000 mortar shells. The report confirms that the arms originated in Iran and were supplied by the Revolutionary Guard Corps.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:56:57am |
U.S. lawmaker blasts Muslim Bros. party
It's "deeply disturbing" that the Egyptian government recognized the Muslim Brotherhood's political party given its radical views, a U.S. lawmaker said.
U.S. Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Fla., chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said in a statement she was appalled by Cairo's official recognition of the Muslim Brotherhood's Freedom and Justice Party.
"The Muslim Brotherhood is committed to violence and extremism," she said. "Neither freedom nor justice will be advanced by any political party established by the Muslim Brotherhood."
If the MB ends up running Egypt, Israel's safety concerns will get more intense.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:27:05am |
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:29:24am |
Poll: Majority Of Weiner’s Constituents Think he Should Stay In Office
While lawmakers from Rep. Anthony Weiner's (D-NY) own party have now begun to call for his resignation, a Marist poll released Thursday night finds that his constituents think he should stay.
In the poll, 56% of registered voters in Weiner's NY-9 district think he should remain in office, while only a third (33%) think he should resign. That result comes as further salacious details about the Twitter scandal have come to light.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:32:53am |
Is Alec having problems on the hate site Huffington Post?
@AlecBaldwin Alec Baldwin
A lot, a real lot, of sanctimonious d-bags on HuffPo.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:34:52am |
re: #486 NJDhockeyfan
Is Alec having problems on the hate site Huffington Post?
That's funny, coming from him, one of the biggest sanctimonious d-bags currently living!
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:37:58am |
re: #487 reine.de.tout
That's funny, coming from him, one of the biggest sanctimonious d-bags currently living!
And possible future mayor of NYC!
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:39:17am |
Spain arrests 3 hackers suspected of belonging to international cyber attack group Anonymous
A National Police statement issued Friday identified the three detainees as leaders of the Spanish section of a group that calls itself "Anonymous."
Police said a computer server in one of their homes was used to co-ordinate and carry out the cyber attacks on targets including two major Spanish banks, the Italian energy company Enel and the governments of Egypt, Algeria, Libya, Iran, Chile, Colombia and New Zealand.
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darthstar Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:39:23am |
re: #477 Obdicut
Good. Chauncey Bailey was a hell of a good guy and a good journalist.
This doesn't bring him back, but any murder actually getting solved in Oakland is good thing.
Agreed...but Messerlee (sp?) could be getting out in a few weeks...thats going to piss off a few people.
Mornin' all.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:40:20am |
re: #488 NJDhockeyfan
And possible future mayor of NYC!
I suspect Anthony Wiener may end up with that job eventually.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:40:57am |
'Morning all. Got a Paypal phishing attempt this AM, and went Google to investigate. One hit was politcally interesting: A guy who recieved the same script had been trapped by it, but instead of sensing the phish, launched into a WorlWide PayPal Conspiracy rant and tried to muster a boycott. Guess what yellow flag he flies, and what grassroots political movement his site pushes.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:42:39am |
re: #492 Decatur Deb
Yellow flag? The "Smiley Face Nation?"
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:43:54am |
Anyone looking for a date with a former president?
A Date With Bill Clinton, for a Donation
If you could meet any historical figure, who would it be and why? If it’s former President Bill Clinton, you might just get your chance.
For the second time, Mr. Clinton is raffling off his time to help pay down the debt on the 2008 presidential campaign of his wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton.
“I love meeting new people, and I so enjoyed when we flew one of Hillary’s biggest fans to New York to spend the day with me that I’d like to do it again,” Mr. Clinton wrote this week in an e-mail to his wife’s supporters. “If you enter by Tuesday, June 14, 2011, you and a friend will have the chance to fly to New York to spend a day with me.”
As of April, Mrs. Clinton’s campaign organization, Hillary Clinton for President, owed about $330,000, according to its most recent filing with the Federal Election Commission.
He needs dates to pay off Hillary's campaign bills? I thought they were millionaires.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:46:42am |
re: #494 NJDhockeyfan
He needs dates to pay off Hillary's campaign bills? I thought they were millionaires.
Are you fuckin' nuts? They're not going to use their money! John Edwards wouldn't even pay off the woman he knocked up with his own money.
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darthstar Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:47:44am |
Love this song...they keep playing it on Outlaw Country. The chorus always makes me chuckle..
I'm gonna hollar
I'm gonna scream
I'm gonna get me some mescaline...
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:47:52am |
re: #495 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Are you fuckin' nuts? They're not going to use their money! John Edwards wouldn't even pay off the woman he knocked up with his own money.
LOL!! Great point :)
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darthstar Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:52:00am |
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:54:56am |
Even Bill Clinton is appalled.
The former president and wife Hillary are livid with Internet horndog Anthony Weiner and are quietly pushing him to resign his congressional seat, according to a new report.
The top Democratic power couple see 10-weeks-pregnant Huma Abedin as another daughter -- leaving Weiner in the doghouse with his de facto in-laws.
Both were so angry with Weiner that his phone calls begging for forgiveness were treated "very icy and tough, to say the least," a source told the Chicago Sun-Times.
The secretary of state is especially enraged because the sex scandal has reopened old wounds.
...
Bill Clinton is appalled? Why, because he didn't think of it first?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:55:14am |
re: #498 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I need to get to work. It is National Hug Day.
You can't spell my name without a hug.
Hug someone. Do me a favor though... make the hug uncomfortably long... you know, like when Bill Murray hugs Ned in "Groundhog Day".
Yeah... slowly... that's it... move the hands on the back a little...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:56:26am |
re: #501 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oops. It's tomorrow. But you know what I mean...
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Decatur Deb Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:56:38am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:59:30am |
re: #503 Decatur Deb
The Snake Plissken Party?
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:01:53am |
re: #504 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The Snake Plissken Party?
There's an Anthony Wiener joke there somewhere.
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darthstar Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:05:59am |
re: #505 NJDhockeyfan
There's an Anthony Wiener joke there somewhere.
There's an Anthony Weiner joke in every pat of butter.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:06:06am |
re: #505 NJDhockeyfan
There's an Anthony Wiener joke there somewhere.
There's a Weiner wiener joke in everything that is longer than it is wide.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:06:55am |
Newt update: The Problem Was the Wife
While Gingrich was away, his aides talked among themselves about the course of the campaign. They wanted him to commit to seeking the Republican nomination on a full-time basis, including time spent in personal fundraising by Gingrich himself. Gingrich balked at this. His wife wanted him to pursue the presidency at less strenuous clip.
“The professional team came to the realization that the direction of the campaign they sought and Newt’s vision for the campaign were incompatible,” strategist David Carney told Jonathan Martin of Politico. The advisers believed Gingrich could not win the nomination without campaigning full-tilt.
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The Left Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:08:56am |
re: #505 NJDhockeyfan
There's an Anthony Wiener joke there somewhere.
Heh-- ecard of the week:
[Link: www.someecards.com...]
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reine.de.tout Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:09:36am |
I'm listening to the audio of a Louisiana legislative committee grill the department head of Louisiana DHH, about the recommendation to give a multi-million dollar contract to the company the DHH head used to work for. The DHH head, of course, was appointed by Bobby Jindal, who seems to want to keep all state business secret until it's a done deal - I guess so he or his appointees won't have to answer any difficult questions.
Everybody knows the company that's been recommended is the former employer of the agency head. But the he refused to publicly name the company. Listening to the DHH guy try to maintain his argument for the delay is fascinating.
Seriously if y'all want to know what goes on in your state government, attend or find the video or audio of these committee meetings - this is where the REAL stuff happens; and it will give you a huge insight.
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darthstar Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:11:13am |
re: #508 Killgore Trout
Newt update: The Problem Was the Wife
She knew he didn't have a snowball's chance in hell. She said, "You can run for president just enough to help boost our book sales and just so long as I don't have to pose with those other robots(Republican wives)."
| 512 |
What, me worry? Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:11:45am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:11:54am |
re: #508 Killgore Trout
If the wife ain't on board? Stop right then.
In my profession, the wife is as important part of the team as I am. And, honestly, my job's a little less strenuous than running for a Presidential nomination.
That being said, at least it's done and we won't have a Fred Thompson effect on the campaign.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:12:14am |
re: #509 iceweasel
Heh-- ecard of the week:
[Link: www.someecards.com...]
Heh. Luckily I have been able to miss the x-rated picture of his package. I intend to keep it that way.
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BongCrodny Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:12:17am |
re: #508 Killgore Trout
Newt update: The Problem Was the Wife
Because campaigning for the most important job in the entire fucking world should only be done half-heartedly.
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darthstar Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:16:10am |
re: #514 NJDhockeyfan
Heh. Luckily I have been able to miss the x-rated picture of his package. I intend to keep it that way.
It's just a penis.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:16:33am |
By the way, my uncle was the Commander of an AFB. Colonel. They wanted to promote him to General. His wife said, "Fuck no." So, he said "Fuck no". Said he'd retire if they forced the issue.
They didn't. She wanted noneofthat.
| 520 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:17:36am |
re: #517 ggt
(--g --g -- t --)
(starting to squirm?)
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:17:48am |
re: #518 darthstar
It's just a penis.
No offense, but someone else's penis does not rank very high on my must-see list of photographs.
| 522 |
BongCrodny Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:19:16am |
re: #518 darthstar
It's just a penis.
No.
I have "just a penis."
If I had me one of those things, I probably wouldn't be making fun of old people having sex.
| 523 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:19:56am |
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Decatur Deb Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:20:51am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:21:18am |
uuuh, gotta go.
Have a great day all!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:22:21am |
re: #522 BongCrodny
Resisting a filthy punchline.
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darthstar Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:23:52am |
re: #521 thedopefishlives
No offense, but someone else's penis does not rank very high on my must-see list of photographs.
True...but how hard does one have to try to "not see" it? I saw it. Intentionally. Don't think I'll want to keep a copy of it on my mobile phone, but that's just me. I do think people should see it, feign disgust, and move the fuck on. One congressman shows off his dick and the whole country turns into puritanical pussies. Now we, as a country, have to go look at a Snap-on Tools poster and regain our masculinity. NFL! Hockey! Boo-ya!
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:25:13am |
re: #521 thedopefishlives
No offense, but someone else's penis does not rank very high on my must-see list of photographs.
Heh. I have no interest in looking at a politician's penis no matter how newsworthy it has become.
| 529 |
BongCrodny Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:26:16am |
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Decatur Deb Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:27:22am |
re: #528 NJDhockeyfan
Heh. I have no interest in looking at a politician's penis no matter how newsworthy it has become.
Unless it's tatoo'ed with some strikingly patriotic themes.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:29:07am |
re: #530 Decatur Deb
Unless it's tatoo'ed with some strikingly patriotic themes.
Must it be standing at attention to be seen?
//
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darthstar Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:29:38am |
re: #530 Decatur Deb
Unless it's tatoo'ed with some strikingly patriotic themes.
It's got the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution (including the full text of the first 24 Amendments) tattooed on it. Is that patriotic enough for you?
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:30:30am |
re: #532 darthstar
It's got the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution (including the full text of the first 24 Amendments) tattooed on it. Is that patriotic enough for you?
Put some stars & stripes on the head and you got a deal.
| 535 |
darthstar Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:33:06am |
re: #533 Decatur Deb
What font?
It's tattooed in Times Roman 14pt true-type so the spacing doesn't change in preview mode.
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darthstar Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:33:32am |
re: #534 NJDhockeyfan
Put some stars & stripes on the head and you got a deal.
See? Everyone has their price.
| 538 |
BongCrodny Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:34:18am |
re: #535 darthstar
It's tattooed in Times Roman 14pt true-type so the spacing doesn't change in preview mode.
Wouldn't Wingdings be more appropriate?
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Decatur Deb Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:35:30am |
re: #535 darthstar
It's tattooed in Times Roman 14pt true-type so the spacing doesn't change in preview mode.
That's pretty impressive, unless they went for that new "single blank after period" bull.
| 540 |
What, me worry? Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:37:49am |
re: #538 BongCrodny
Wouldn't Wingdings be more appropriate?
hehe Well at least we have the saluting pretty much down pat.
| 541 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:40:06am |
re: #539 Decatur Deb
That's pretty impressive, unless they went for that new "single blank after period" bull.
You mean, unless they went for the correct way?
| 542 |
What, me worry? Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:40:52am |
re: #527 darthstar
True...but how hard does one have to try to "not see" it? I saw it. Intentionally. Don't think I'll want to keep a copy of it on my mobile phone, but that's just me. I do think people should see it, feign disgust, and move the fuck on. One congressman shows off his dick and the whole country turns into puritanical pussies. Now we, as a country, have to go look at a Snap-on Tools poster and regain our masculinity. NFL! Hockey! Boo-ya!
It's always fun and games until someone gets an eye poked out.
*bada bing, bada boom*
| 543 |
BongCrodny Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:45:46am |
re: #535 darthstar
It's tattooed in Times Roman 14pt true-type so the spacing doesn't change in preview mode.
...other appropriate fonts include Bazooka, Boulder, Granite, Majestic, Rod, Sceptre and Showtime.
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darthstar Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:47:05am |
re: #543 BongCrodny
...other appropriate fonts include Bazooka, Boulder, Granite, Majestic, Rod, Sceptre and Showtime.
Majestic...now there's a font for a penis.
Image: MajesticFontSamples.gif
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Decatur Deb Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:48:28am |
re: #543 BongCrodny
...other appropriate fonts include Bazooka, Boulder, Granite, Majestic, Rod, Sceptre and Showtime.
Jeremy.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:50:13am |
re: #541 Obdicut
You mean, unless they went for the correct way?
Coarse, cheapened robber-baron way, like adding air to ice cream.
| 547 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:52:43am |
re: #546 Decatur Deb
Coarse, cheapened robber-baron way, like adding air to ice cream.
If you don't add air to ice cream, you get gelato
I like gelato
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Decatur Deb Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:54:47am |
re: #547 Obdicut
If you don't add air to ice cream, you get gelato
I like gelato
Yup--riso.
[Link: www.google.com...]
| 549 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:59:14am |
Does anyone know what happened to Palin's bus tour around the country? Did she quit already?
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Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:01:30am |
re: #549 Killgore Trout
I guess so. She's already doing retrospectives.
I guess it was just supposed to be for a week.
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]
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Decatur Deb Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:02:43am |
re: #549 Killgore Trout
Does anyone know what happened to Palin's bus tour around the country? Did she quit already?
SP and her accouterments exist only as long as the cameras roll.
| 552 |
Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:02:57am |
re: #549 Killgore Trout
Does anyone know what happened to Palin's bus tour around the country? Did she quit already?
She was outdone by a penis.
| 553 |
darthstar Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:03:35am |
re: #549 Killgore Trout
Does anyone know what happened to Palin's bus tour around the country? Did she quit already?
It was only a one week vacation. She's planning another "vacation" to Iowa in the coming months and one to the Carolinas...at least I think that's what the tv people said she was going to do. The bus itself? Probably covered in a tarp and loaded onto the back of a semi.
| 554 |
Decatur Deb Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:04:33am |
From Slate:
Weiner's Law
"Hence the question of the day: Is it possible to send out photos of your body parts in a secure fashion, such that they're viewable only by the many, many objects of your affection but not the public at large? More generally, how can you—whether you're a Democratic congressman from New York, a Republican congressman from New York, a pro golfer, or an NFL quarterback—set up a liaison online without getting caught?
Short answer: You can't. The Internet was built for sharing, and if you send pictures, videos, or text to one person, you might as well cc: Andrew Breitbart."
[Link: www.slate.com...]
| 555 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:04:36am |
re: #550 Obdicut
I guess so. She's already doing retrospectives.
I guess it was just supposed to be for a week.
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]
Ah, It seems like a lot of effort for just one week.
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darthstar Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:06:26am |
re: #555 Killgore Trout
Ah, It seems like a lot of effort for just one week.
You just know that every time she pulled out of a town she screamed, "I hate riding on a fucking bus!"
| 557 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:06:33am |
re: #555 Killgore Trout
She packed a lot of fail into it. I'd call it highly successful as a disaster.
| 558 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:07:44am |
re: #557 Obdicut
She packed a lot of fail into it. I'd call it highly successful as a disaster.
And a great vacation for the kids?
...Oh wait.
| 559 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:07:58am |
re: #558 thedopefishlives
PIMF: That should've been a !.
| 560 |
darthstar Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:08:39am |
re: #557 Obdicut
She packed a lot of fail into it. I'd call it highly successful as a disaster.
Thinking about taking the wife on a little trip for the weekend...no media...just us. Should I get a full-sized bus or would a small RV be sufficient? Also, I'll need a few SUVs so we can park outside of town and then drive in in comfort.
| 561 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:09:03am |
re: #560 darthstar
Whatever you do, don't obey traffic laws.
| 562 |
Decatur Deb Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:09:53am |
| 563 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:17:08am |
Let's see, which emotional issues shall I bury under deep layers of sarcasm today?
Suggestions?
| 564 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:17:39am |
re: #529 BongCrodny
I see what you did there.
| 565 |
reine.de.tout Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:18:33am |
In the "Oh fer cryin' out loud" department:
These two brothers wanted to catch the attention of their fave baseball players as well as the cameras at the game, so the concocted a scheme where one would have a sign pointing to the other, and it said "Hey Rangers! Hit my brother, win my piggy bank.". It seems to me so obviously a joke, a prank, the kind of things brothers would do - and apparently it had people questioning the sanity of the boys and their parents:
Still, the sign was seen by millions on Yahoo and caused a ruckus among some readers. But all you backseat psychologists can breathe easier. Conner says he never really meant any harm for 10-year-old Hunter.
| 566 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:20:47am |
re: #565 reine.de.tout
Whoever didn't see the humor in that is flat-out dumb!
| 567 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:21:42am |
re: #565 reine.de.tout
In the "Oh fer cryin' out loud" department:
These two brothers wanted to catch the attention of their fave baseball players as well as the cameras at the game, so the concocted a scheme where one would have a sign pointing to the other, and it said "Hey Rangers! Hit my brother, win my piggy bank.". It seems to me so obviously a joke, a prank, the kind of things brothers would do - and apparently it had people questioning the sanity of the boys and their parents:
People are STUPID. I think that's a really cute idea, myself. I'd probably laugh.
| 568 |
darthstar Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:22:01am |
re: #554 Decatur Deb
From Slate:
Weiner's Law
]
Heh...this paragraph is funny
Like all protection, though, ProtectedPix (which costs $10 a month) is a hassle to use. After all, it's hard enough to get a lady's attention with a plain old cock shot. Showing her a blurred shot, and then asking her to sign up for a ProtectedPix account that requires her to hold down several keys in order to see your penis, seems like it would be a few hoops too many. She might get the impression that you don't trust her.
| 569 |
prairiefire Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:27:23am |
re: #549 Killgore Trout
Does anyone know what happened to Palin's bus tour around the country? Did she quit already?
Her emails are released today. I'm looking forward to the "wow" factor.
| 570 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:28:08am |
re: #569 prairiefire
Her emails are released today. I'm looking forward to the "
wow" "yawn" factor.
| 571 |
reine.de.tout Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:29:12am |
re: #566 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Whoever didn't see the humor in that is flat-out dumb!
OR didn't grow up with a brother. Good grief. Only brothers who are very close could get away with doing something like that. If they weren't close, they wouldn't care enough to joke with each other that way.
| 572 |
Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:29:34am |
re: #568 darthstar
Heh...this paragraph is funny
funnier would be if it required pressing the Windows Key and the "+" key in windows 7
| 573 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:30:10am |
re: #571 reine.de.tout
I'm sure my brothers are even now regretting they didn't think of that one.
| 574 |
reine.de.tout Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:31:25am |
re: #573 Obdicut
I'm sure my brothers are even now regretting they didn't think of that one.
*snort*
I KNOW my brothers are regretting it!
| 575 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:32:06am |
re: #571 reine.de.tout
I loved my big brother dearly, but one of the best days of my life was when I broke his arm.
That's how brothers are.
| 576 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:33:07am |
re: #565 reine.de.tout
By the way, those "concerned people" are the same people who lament the fact that someone keeps score in sporting events.
| 577 |
reine.de.tout Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:33:09am |
re: #575 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I loved my big brother dearly, but one of the best days of my life was when I broke his arm.
That's how brothers are.
OUCH!
You know a piggy bank isn't gonna have more than about 50 cents in it - not exactly a huge incentive. So how could anyone think that sign was serious?
| 578 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:35:08am |
re: #577 reine.de.tout
Not to mention that, you know, it's not really physically possible to target a ball like that.
| 579 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:35:45am |
re: #577 reine.de.tout
OUCH!
He deserved it. We were playing football and he cheated. So the next play, I told their quarterback, "Throw the ball to him. I'm going to break his arm."
I got a beating like you wouldn't believe from my dad... but later? I still kinda smiled.
| 580 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:38:43am |
re: #578 Obdicut
You can hit it in a direction, but, I'm not sure you can hit at a target.
If someone hits one of those things? Co-inky-dink.
| 581 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:42:21am |
re: #569 prairiefire
Her emails are released today. I'm looking forward to the "wow" factor.
I'm not expecting much. It's probably pretty mundane stuff. There might be an outrageous outrage in there but probably nothing terribly interesting or important.
| 582 |
AK-47% Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:42:27am |
re: #580 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
People love raising other people's kids. I take it as an atavism dating back to the days when the whole tribe was responsible for raising all its jids jointly.
Here in Germany, I was always having little old ladies coming up to mee and telling me to put some socks or tights or a hat on my kids so they wouldn't catch cold...
| 583 |
Alexzander Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:45:02am |
Police arrest 5 more activists for feeding homeless
Orlando police arrested five more activists from behind a makeshift buffet table at Lake Eola Park on Wednesday evening, bringing to a dozen the number charged in the past week with violating city restrictions on feeding the homeless.
The members of the group Food Not Bombs were ladling out corn on the cob, rice, beans and watermelon to about 35 people when they were handcuffed. About two dozen activists and homeless people booed and chanted "Food is a right, not a privilege" as they were loaded into a waiting police van.
They were violating a controversial city ordinance that prohibits sharing food with large groups in a downtown city park more than twice a year. Food Not Bombs has been fighting the ordinance but lost a legal appeal in April, clearing the way for the city to begin enforcement.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:47:01am |
Still on the brothers thing..
Jim Kelly (Quarterback of the Buffalo Bills while they were losing Super Bowls) was asked by a reporter about the hardest hit he ever took. Jim replied (without hesitation); "When I was 15, my brother Pat in our back-yard. He knocked me out."
IIRC; His brother, Pat (whom I have met) was an NFL Linebacker AT THE TIME.
Brothers. Gotta love it.
| 585 |
AK-47% Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:47:28am |
re: #583 Alexzander
Remember what the South Carolina Lieutenant Governnor told us that he learned form his grandmother: feeding the poor is like feeding vermin, it only breeds more of them...
| 586 |
Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:49:16am |
re: #583 Alexzander
Unreal. What complete bullshit.
| 587 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:50:29am |
re: #224 Slumbering Behemoth
Ann Coulter causes firestorm in Canada by telling Muslim to 'take a camel' as alternative to flying
Now that's calling a spade a spade. So long as we agree that "spade" is a euphemism for "sand [n-word]".
You know that was like more than a year ago right? And you are pulling a Sherrod in this case. The entire video, unedited makes it clear that she was just trying to shut the woman up. Giving a clearly joke answer just to end the stupid questions she was being asked.
| 588 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:50:37am |
re: #583 Alexzander
Wait, WHAT?! Someone actually signed a crap bill like this into law, AND it survived a legal challenge? What have we come to?
| 589 |
AK-47% Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:50:58am |
re: #586 dreggas
Those guys would've been compelled Jesus for the miracle of the loaves and fishes if he had repeated it more than twice in the same year...
| 591 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:53:00am |
re: #587 Buck
Yes. She just told a bigoted joke.
Please make the connection to Shirley Sherrod. Was Coulter actually giving a speech about how wrong it is to engage in bigotry against Muslims?
| 592 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:54:37am |
re: #591 Obdicut
Yes. She just told a bigoted joke.
Please make the connection to Shirley Sherrod. Was Coulter actually giving a speech about how wrong it is to engage in bigotry against Muslims?
The connection is obvious, the remark is taken out of context.
| 593 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:55:11am |
re: #592 Buck
Can you elucidate what the context is, then, Buck?
Did you mean this?
Coulter's tasteless comment came after previously she told a gathering that Muslims shouldn't be allowed on airplanes and should take "flying carpets."
| 594 |
reine.de.tout Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:57:41am |
| 595 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 8:59:28am |
Oh I see. It was when she was dodging a question about her previous statement:
We should invade [Muslim] countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.
And trying to claim that she meant peaceful conversion.
The entire context actually makes her look worse. As usual.
| 596 |
Alexzander Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:00:35am |
re: #588 thedopefishlives
Wait, WHAT?! Someone actually signed a crap bill like this into law, AND it survived a legal challenge? What have we come to?
Its very sad and ite telling of where we are cultually right now. More concern for NIMBY-ish city policy than feeding the most needy.
I have to give some respect to the Food Not Bombs volunteers that keep showing up, knowing that they will be arrested.
| 597 |
AK-47% Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:00:52am |
re: #595 Obdicut
Oh I see. It was when she was dodging a question about her previous statement:
And trying to claim that she meant peaceful conversion.The entire context actually makes her look worse. As usual.
Well, it would get them off the no-fly lists...
| 598 |
Decatur Deb Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:03:07am |
From our blog Left in Alabama: Alabama House dropped the 'personhood' bill. We try to limit ourselves to one beclowning per day.
[Link: leftinalabama.com...]
On the other hand, a reading of yesterday's illegal immigrant law indicates my wife's parish will be guilty of a misdemeanor if one of the people brought to church on their shuttle bus is an illegal. If 10 of them are, it's a Class C felony. Looks like a private citizen driving his undocumented friend to the hospital is only a misdemeanor.
| 599 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:04:13am |
Just got a piece of cheese for a quick nosh. Very carefully snuck into the living room and sat down. Dog is asleep on the love seat. Opened the package sooo quietly... by the time I'd finished opening it? Dog is on couch beside me...
Resistance is futile.
| 600 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:05:20am |
re: #598 Decatur Deb
I think driving someone to the police station to turn themselves in or to testify would also technically be a crime.
| 601 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:07:39am |
re: #593 Obdicut
Can you elucidate what the context is, then, Buck?
Did you mean this?
Again context re: #595 Obdicut
Oh I see. It was when she was dodging a question about her previous statement:
And trying to claim that she meant peaceful conversion.
The entire context actually makes her look worse. As usual.
You are having a great time with her greatest hits.
Just keep pulling out comments, out of context, that go back almost a dozen years.
I am bored with it.
| 602 |
Decatur Deb Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:09:13am |
| 603 |
AK-47% Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:09:36am |
re: #601 BuckThe context is quite clear: this lady wants the same things that the Muslim terrorists want, just going in the other direction.
| 604 |
Lidane Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:10:39am |
re: #601 Buck
I am bored with it.
That's okay. Most people with a functional IQ over 100 have been bored with Ann Coulter for at least a decade now, if not longer.
It just took you a while longer to catch on.
| 605 |
Kronocide Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:10:53am |
Telling a heavily bigoted 'joke' sure is a great way to shut somebody up. It obviously worked out real well.
The real crime is all the others that responded, they obviously don't have a sense of humor.
| 606 |
Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:11:19am |
| 607 |
Gus Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:14:09am |
Grunt.
You know. 55 degrees and high humidity feels cold. Yuck. Can't wait to get back to Colorado.
| 608 |
Wozza Matter? Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:18:10am |
Wing nut logic is strong.
Gingrich is a stand up human being, Revere warned the British and no republican has ever hiked the ol' Appalachian trail.
| 609 |
Kronocide Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:18:14am |
I was bored so I watched the Coulter 'take a camel' video.
Buck, what the hell?
| 610 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:18:57am |
re: #601 Buck
Ah. So you've changed from "It was taken out of context" to "It's old and irrelevant".
Wise choice.
| 611 |
Kronocide Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:20:50am |
The Coulter Defense: it was satire.
See, all those Muslims can't take a joke.
| 612 |
Winny Spencer Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:21:43am |
It was bad enough the first time.
| 614 |
Wozza Matter? Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:24:01am |
re: #612 Winny Spencer
It was bad enough the first time.
Wasn't Stossel meant to be one of their legit' "gets" for the news division?.
Jeebus.
| 615 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:24:48am |
re: #611 BigPapa
When I want to shut someone up, I find a bigoted joke is really the classiest way of going about it.
| 616 |
Lidane Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:25:03am |
re: #614 wozzablog
Wasn't Stossel meant to be one of their legit' "gets" for the news division?.
Jeebus.
The only thing legit about Stossel is his 'stache. That's it. He's a hack.
| 617 |
garhighway Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:25:28am |
re: #611 BigPapa
The Coulter Defense: it was satire.
See, all those Muslims can't take a joke.
The explanations seem to be multiple choice, so pick one:
A> It was out of context
B> It was so long ago that it no longer reflects how Ms. Coulter thinks
C> It was satire, people should get over it
D> Ms. Coulter is a bigot
I'm not sure I see another potential outcome.
For my money, it's pretty clearly "D".
| 618 |
Wozza Matter? Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:26:18am |
re: #616 Lidane
The only thing legit about Stossel is his 'stache. That's it. He's a hack.
My comment should have been broached in "relative" terms - compared to Beck, Hannity, the Gellermonster etc.
| 619 |
Sheila Broflovski Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:26:49am |
re: #617 garhighway
The explanations seem to be multiple choice, so pick one:
A> It was out of context
B> It was so long ago that it no longer reflects how Ms. Coulter thinks
C> It was satire, people should get over it
D> Ms. Coulter is a bigotI'm not sure I see another potential outcome.
For my money, it's pretty clearly "D".
E> Who gives a shit about that horse-faced transvestite donkey witch?
| 620 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:26:58am |
re: #617 garhighway
Or pretends to be a bigot to make money, which is almost worse.
| 621 |
Gus Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:27:26am |
re: #616 Lidane
The only thing legit about Stossel is his 'stache. That's it. He's a hack.
You sure about that? I've always thought he looked like he was wearing a fake mustache.
//
| 622 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:27:28am |
re: #619 Alouette
Hey now, most of the actual transvestites I know are perfectly charming.
| 623 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:27:49am |
re: #620 Obdicut
Or pretends to be a bigot to make money, which is almost worse.
This is kinda what I suspect about Rush. I don't think he's quite so pigheaded as to be overtly racist, but he sure does act the part and every time he does, his ratings go through the roof.
| 624 |
Sheila Broflovski Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:28:10am |
re: #622 Obdicut
Hey now, most of the actual transvestites I know are perfectly charming.
I apologize to donkeys and horses everywhere.
| 625 |
Wozza Matter? Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:28:17am |
re: #619 Alouette
E> Who gives a shit about that horse-faced transvestite donkey witch?
Don't belittle transvestites hung like donkeys........
| 626 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:28:23am |
re: #592 Buck
how does it feel to be Ann Coulter's bitch
I mean, I hope you're getting paid for your advocacy
| 627 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:28:34am |
re: #610 Obdicut
Ah. So you've changed from "It was taken out of context" to "It's old and irrelevant".
Wise choice.
Not at all. It is clear that I said it was BOTH out of context AND old.
I will add to this that clearly Ann Coulter is a controversial person and her humour is not to everyone's taste and her politics are not to everyone's taste.
I can't count the number of times people here generalize about republicans. Like saying that the GOP would rape women if they could.
However that is ok here now. The new group that you allowed to demonize and generalize about is conservatives. Have at it... enjoy. No way it will come back later and bite you in the butt.
| 628 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:29:02am |
re: #620 Obdicut
Or pretends to be a bigot to make money, which is almost worse.
that's what i think
Coulter is playing people
| 629 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:29:18am |
re: #627 Buck
Also, the Klan's humor, not to everyone's taste
| 630 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:29:35am |
re: #627 Buck
Protocols of the Elders of Zion, also humor not to everyone's taste
| 631 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:30:02am |
re: #627 Buck
Father Coughlin, that's some comedy that not everyone is on the same page on
| 632 |
AK-47% Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:31:43am |
re: #627 Buck
She has never distanced herself from statements about invading Muslim countries and killing their leaders, and her subsequent statements have only served to enhance that position.
| 633 |
Lidane Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:32:09am |
re: #623 thedopefishlives
This is kinda what I suspect about Rush. I don't think he's quite so pigheaded as to be overtly racist, but he sure does act the part and every time he does, his ratings go through the roof.
He's self-aware enough to be on Family Guy, for crying out loud. And as the Rancor in the Return of the Jedi parody, even.
That's what irks me about Rush. He might well be a sincere conservative, but the over the top bullshit may all be an act for ratings, and that annoys me. He's playing to the bigots and the people who DO think that way and making the rest of the right look like a bunch of raving lunatics in the process.
| 635 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:33:28am |
Stossel was a good movie reviewer. That's it.
| 636 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:33:31am |
re: #633 Lidane
He's self-aware enough to be on Family Guy, for crying out loud. And as the Rancor in the Return of the Jedi parody, even.
That's what irks me about Rush. He might well be a sincere conservative, but the over the top bullshit may all be an act for ratings, and that annoys me. He's playing to the bigots and the people who DO think that way and making the rest of the right look like a bunch of raving lunatics in the process.
Yeah, that's my thoughts exactly. It's why I stopped listening to him; he makes some very good points, but then at times he just goes out there and is almost baiting people to get upset about something he says.
| 637 |
Sheila Broflovski Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:33:37am |
re: #633 Lidane
He's self-aware enough to be on Family Guy, for crying out loud. And as the Rancor in the Return of the Jedi parody, even.
That's what irks me about Rush. He might well be a sincere conservative, but the over the top bullshit may all be an act for ratings, and that annoys me. He's playing to the bigots and the people who DO think that way and making the rest of the right look like a bunch of raving lunatics in the process.
Rush stopped being entertaining once he got addicted to hillbilly heroin.
| 638 |
Kronocide Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:33:38am |
re: #627 Buck
Yes, let's not dehumanize and entire group of people that want to dehumanize another group of people.
But Buck, it was satire! You can't take the joke?
| 640 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:34:49am |
re: #627 Buck
Not at all. It is clear that I said it was BOTH out of context AND old.
But it's not out of context. The context makes it look worse.
I can't count the number of times people here generalize about republicans. Like saying that the GOP would rape women if they could.
You're lying about what that says, Buck.
I will add to this that clearly Ann Coulter is a controversial person and her humour is not to everyone's taste and her politics are not to everyone's taste.
You're really defending that bigoted shit she said? Really?
Man, you keep plumbing new depths.
However that is ok here now. The new group that you allowed to demonize and generalize about is conservatives.
I don't, actually, though.
I will note that the GOP's actual party planks are anti-science and anti-gay.
Is that 'demonizing' to you?
| 641 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:34:50am |
re: #633 Lidane
Well, he's self aware because he's worth hundreds of millions
so he probably doesn't care! Laughing all the way to the bank as he empowers and cheers on the worst slime in America
But if it isn't Rush, it'll be someone else, someone worse, someone more clever
| 642 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:34:59am |
re: #635 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ahh ,, there ya be
Another TwoFer last night
Red Sox (again) beat the Yankees (this one was sweet,,, down 2-0 they score 7 in the 7th , AT Yankee Stadium
The Mavs won!
TONIGHT ,,, GO BRUINS
| 644 |
Gus Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:35:49am |
re: #638 BigPapa
Yes, let's not dehumanize and entire group of people that want to dehumanize another group of people.
But Buck, it was satire! You can't take the joke?
Que es satire?
| 645 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:35:52am |
re: #638 BigPapa
Nah, you see, when Coulter does it, it's just her brand of humor and politics.
When other people do it to the GOP, it's demonizing.
| 646 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:36:16am |
re: #643 Gus 802
Mmm. Fresh new potlet of coffee.
It's a 4 cupper.
>>>> pushes empty cup towards you
very dark, no sugar please
| 647 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:36:20am |
re: #636 thedopefishlives
Yeah, that's my thoughts exactly. It's why I stopped listening to him; he makes some very good points, but then at times he just goes out there and is almost baiting people to get upset about something he says.
how you could ever listen to him is sort of baffling to me
I'd literally rather listen to static, feedback, the sound of a man shitting over and over again, because at least those things are real
| 648 |
BongCrodny Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:36:42am |
re: #627 Buck
Not at all. It is clear that I said it was BOTH out of context AND old.
I will add to this that clearly Ann Coulter is a controversial person and her humour is not to everyone's taste and her politics are not to everyone's taste.
I can't count the number of times people here generalize about republicans. Like saying that the GOP would rape women if they could.
However that is ok here now. The new group that you allowed to demonize and generalize about is conservatives. Have at it... enjoy. No way it will come back later and bite you in the butt.
Ann Coulter's books:
Slander: Liberal Lies About the American Right
Treason: Liberal Treachery from the Cold War to the War on Terrorism
Godless: The Church of Liberalism
No generalizing there, no siree!
| 649 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:36:59am |
re: #627 Buck
thanks for pointing to that page, you really got served on that one!
| 650 |
Gus Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:37:35am |
re: #646 sattv4u2
>> pushes empty cup towards you
very dark, no sugar please
That's how I have it. It's Level 5 from Seattle. Allegedly. Got it at Walmart. Tastes very good and I'm a coffee nut.
| 651 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:38:28am |
re: #650 Gus 802
That's how I have it. It's Level 5 from Seattle. Allegedly. Got it at Walmart. Tastes very good and I'm a coffee nut.
same here
enjoy
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BongCrodny Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:39:14am |
re: #647 WindUpBird
how you could ever listen to him is sort of baffling to me
I'd literally rather listen to static, feedback, the sound of a man shitting over and over again, because at least those things are real
To be honest, I'd take Limbaugh over that third option.
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Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:39:17am |
re: #649 WindUpBird
That was the page where I told him I'd been raped as a child and he would up attempting to imply I was defending pedophiles.
Good times.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:39:18am |
re: #647 WindUpBird
how you could ever listen to him is sort of baffling to me
I'd literally rather listen to static, feedback, the sound of a man shitting over and over again, because at least those things are real
My parents were huge dittoheads when I was younger. I grew up in the shadow of the mighty 50,000 watt blowtorch WLS in Chicago and listened to him every afternoon whenever I was home from school. He was a bit less off the deep end in the older days.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:39:23am |
re: #650 Gus 802
favorite seattle coffee: [Link: www.caffedarte.com...]
though i can't drink it anymore :( system dun like coffee, seems to be hereditary
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:39:58am |
re: #652 BongCrodny
To be honest, I'd take Limbaugh over that third option.
you owe me a puter screen
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:40:18am |
re: #653 Obdicut
That was the page where I told him I'd been raped as a child and he would up attempting to imply I was defending pedophiles.
Good times.
I suspect the only reason Buck is kept around so we can be reminded of what such people are like, and that they are real
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Kronocide Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:41:36am |
re: #644 Gus 802
Que es satire?
Muslim girl: 'I don't have a magic carpet, what should I ride?' - 'A camel'
Satire
News item: Egyptian police want to have 'virginity inspections' - 'what, did the Egyptians consult with the GOP?'
Not Satire. According to Buck.
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Gus Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:42:43am |
Ugh. Only AT&T could manage to have a wireless connection 30 miles from Silicon Valley be so sucky. Nice work AT&T!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:44:17am |
re: #654 thedopefishlives
My parents were huge dittoheads when I was younger. I grew up in the shadow of the mighty 50,000 watt blowtorch WLS in Chicago and listened to him every afternoon whenever I was home from school. He was a bit less off the deep end in the older days.
I grew up taught to be deeply suspicious of all grandstanding political talkers, I am actually a far bigger talk radio fan than either of my parents, and then only comedy/morning zoo/hot talk
it's telling in Portland that our big FM rock station was taken over by a conservative format...which gets lower ratings than our local internet podcasts :-)
| 662 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:44:52am |
Dammit ,
I wonder how much in back taxes i'll owe now!!
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
Court: Lap dances aren't tax-exempt
//
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:45:25am |
re: #650 Gus 802
Shouldn't that be "coffee bean"?
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:46:26am |
re: #661 WindUpBird
our big FM rock station was taken over by a conservative format.
Taken over??
Was there an assault? Armys fighting in the studios??
| 665 |
garhighway Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:47:24am |
re: #627 Buck
Not at all. It is clear that I said it was BOTH out of context AND old.
I will add to this that clearly Ann Coulter is a controversial person and her humour is not to everyone's taste and her politics are not to everyone's taste.
I can't count the number of times people here generalize about republicans. Like saying that the GOP would rape women if they could.
However that is ok here now. The new group that you allowed to demonize and generalize about is conservatives. Have at it... enjoy. No way it will come back later and bite you in the butt.
Two observations:
1> Do you think that Ms. Coulter's views have undergone any substantial change over the past few years, or are her older remarks still representative of her world view? I suspect that her older remarks remain reasonably representative of her current positions.
2> I would never say that the GOP wants to rape women. That would be ridiculous and unfair. I WOULD say that some influential subsets of the GOP want to force doctors to intrusively examine women in a way that, absent consent or medical need, looks pretty damn bad.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:47:27am |
re: #661 WindUpBird
it's telling in Portland that our big FM rock station was taken over by a conservative format...which gets lower ratings than our local internet podcasts :-)
All Nugent?
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Gus Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:48:17am |
re: #663 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Shouldn't that be "coffee bean"?
Beans, beans, are good for your heart...
| 668 |
Sheila Broflovski Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:48:38am |
re: #654 thedopefishlives
My parents were huge dittoheads when I was younger. I grew up in the shadow of the mighty 50,000 watt blowtorch WLS in Chicago and listened to him every afternoon whenever I was home from school. He was a bit less off the deep end in the older days.
Rush was very entertaining back in the day. I liked his "update theme songs" and Rita From Detroit.
Rita From Detroit could take over his show today and it would be an improvement.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:51:32am |
re: #668 Alouette
Rush was very entertaining back in the day. I liked his "update theme songs" and Rita From Detroit.
Rita From Detroit could take over his show today and it would be an improvement.
Heck, I still like his "update theme songs". I oughta go get myself a Paul Shanklin CD.
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Winny Spencer Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:52:04am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:52:31am |
re: #668 Alouette
"My Boy Lollipop"
"Ain't Got No Home"
"The Banana Boat Song"
I loved him in those days too.
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blueraven Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:53:42am |
re: #648 BongCrodny
Ann Coulter's books:
Slander: Liberal Lies About the American Right
Treason: Liberal Treachery from the Cold War to the War on Terrorism
Godless: The Church of LiberalismNo generalizing there, no siree!
Dont forget her newest title
Demonic: How the Liberal Mob Is Endangering America
Pretty funny with the rise of the Tea Party mob.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:54:27am |
re: #664 sattv4u2
our big FM rock station was taken over by a conservative format.
Taken over??
Was there an assault? Armys fighting in the studios??
taken over in the way that an sub-entity in a large corporate environment is taken over, the weak faction (in this case, the former KUFO) can't make the numbers work (this is Portland, young people consider the radio a dead language) so it's defeated, lots of actual real local broadcasters fired, lots of people out of work, replaced by an engineer hitting buttons to play syndicated out of state shows, dull porkers, more dumb conservative bleating sheep repeating the same syndicated talking points off the fax machine, another day in the death of radio, the abandoning of it to hate talk because that's the market!
The good news is while the 60-to-dead-guy demographic is still devotedly listening to the radio, the new generation has got far better local broadcasting in the form of podcasts, entrepreneurs doing real broadcasting and leaving the radio for dead, to incontinent grandpas
kinda sucks in a way, I like radio! But it's just become a dogshit delivery service for racists and angry old people, so the internet it shall be
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Kragar Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:55:04am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:55:35am |
re: #674 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
If my mom was Anne Coulter, I'd tell people I was adopted anyways.
You win the thread.
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:56:11am |
re: #674 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
If my mom was Anne Coulter, I'd tell people I was adopted anyways.
You, sir, win an internet.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:56:39am |
re: #670 Winny Spencer
Coulter was spotted eating in a gay-owned restaurant in SF
she's playing ya, guys
it's no more sincere than Hulk Hogan's act
I mean, the effect she has is real, it's just another pile of garbage making money off hatred, but that's What America Does Well. Sells hate to dullard republicans, pavlov's dogs, calls it patriotism
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sattv4u2 Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:56:47am |
re: #673 WindUpBird
kinda sucks in a way, I like radio! But it's just become a dogshit delivery service for racists and angry old people, so the internet it shall be
Yeah,, thank God there isn't any of that on the internet!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 9:59:23am |
I'm watching a commercial for Catheters.
Freaking advertisements for catheters?
Holy cow.
Then I realized I'm watching a DVR'd episode of "Cheers". I could have fast-forwarded through the damn thing.
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Jun 10, 2011 10:01:40am |
re: #680 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm watching a commercial for Catheters.
Freaking advertisements for catheters?
Holy cow.
Then I realized I'm watching a DVR'd episode of "Cheers". I could have fast-forwarded through the damn thing.
Commercials are mostly targeted at thedemographic that doesn't know how to TiVO.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jun 10, 2011 10:01:58am |
re: #679 sattv4u2
difference is there aren't a necessarly finite set of frequencies on the internet
difference is you can't climb into any car of any vintage and get a reliable radio signal
these are obvious points, but I know you're not trying, it's okay
Another difference is, in a local emergency, it'd be nice to have, you know, local broadcasters instead of Mark Levin or whoever angrily spooging all over a picture of Obama from his far far away studios
| 683 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jun 10, 2011 10:05:09am |
re: #665 garhighway
2> I would never say that the GOP wants to rape women. That would be ridiculous and unfair. I WOULD say that some influential subsets of the GOP want to force doctors to intrusively examine women in a way that, absent consent or medical need, looks pretty damn bad.
personally, I call this rape, but that's just me
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KingKenrod Fri, Jun 10, 2011 10:07:55am |
re: #683 WindUpBird
personally, I call this rape, but that's just me
Me too. Using extortion to get consent is just as bad as not getting consent.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 10:12:09am |
I just saw a Godwin birthday wish on FB...
Roses are red
Violets are blue
Hitler had a birthday
And you do too.
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Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 10:12:37am |
re: #665 garhighway
1> Do you think that Ms. Coulter's views have undergone any substantial change over the past few years, or are her older remarks still representative of her world view? I suspect that her older remarks remain reasonably representative of her current positions.
I think that comments, taken out of context can make people say almost anything. However I do not think that she thinks all muslim people should be not allowed to fly, and should be forced to use magic carpets, or camels.
I really do not believe that is a "representative of her current positions".
2> I would never say that the GOP wants to rape women. That would be ridiculous and unfair. I WOULD say that some influential subsets of the GOP want to force doctors to intrusively examine women in a way that, absent consent or medical need, looks pretty damn bad.
However, that is not what was said. In order to discuss the rape of women by Egyptian authorities, someone thought it was a good idea to link it to the GOP.
Is that your position? That women protesting for freedom being raped by Egyptian Authorities is linked in some real way to the legislation being tabled?
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Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 10:14:00am |
re: #683 WindUpBird
personally, I call this rape, but that's just me
Well you must not have very much respect for the court system. If you really think that rape will be legalized.
| 688 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 10:14:15am |
re: #686 Buck
I think that comments, taken out of context can make people say almost anything.
Do you get that the full context of Coulter's speech makes her look worse, not better?
However, that is not what was said. In order to discuss the rape of women by Egyptian authorities, someone thought it was a good idea to link it to the GOP.
No, actually, it was about examinations of women for virginity, not about the rapes themselves.
| 689 |
Interesting Times Fri, Jun 10, 2011 10:15:11am |
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Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 10:15:19am |
re: #687 Buck
The courts will probably toss the bills, yes. The GOP is awesome at passing bills that restrict rights unconstitutionally and get thrown out.
That's no reason to let the laws go uncriticized and unattacked when they're implemented, though.
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Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 10:18:28am |
re: #689 publicityStunted
Hai bigot! :D Let's see you spin and tap-dance your way around this.
Hai... that is about Massachusetts GOP state Rep. Ryan Fattman. So what? He is a person, and maybe he said something stupid. It does not paint the entire GOP as saying that, any more than Weiner paints all Democrats as misogynist liars. Or Edwards means that democrats are cheating assholes...
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RadicalModerate Fri, Jun 10, 2011 10:19:10am |
re: #687 Buck
Well you must not have very much respect for the court system. If you really think that rape will be legalized.
Given the Republican Party's recent attempts to redefine what rape is, it isn't that far of a leap.
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Kronocide Fri, Jun 10, 2011 10:19:21am |
re: #686 Buck
I think that comments, taken out of context can make people say almost anything.
What was Coulter's context. Please explain how I am taking her comments out of context.
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Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 10:27:24am |
re: #690 Obdicut
The courts will probably toss the bills, yes. The GOP is awesome at passing bills that restrict rights unconstitutionally and get thrown out.
That's no reason to let the laws go uncriticized and unattacked when they're implemented, though.
Ya, but get it right. For example YOU went around saying that using the word "forcible" in a bill to describe rape in a budget bill that was laying out the rules for government abortion funding was the "GOP changing the definition of rape". Yet that is the word the FBI uses already that definition, and has for many years. Not only was the bill NOT about defining the crime of rape, but it used the same term as the federal police and law makers.
I described it then as an outrageous outrage, and I do now as well.
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Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 10:29:09am |
re: #692 RadicalModerate
Given the Republican Party's recent attempts to redefine what rape is, it isn't that far of a leap.
And there you go. That actually never happened.
Number one, the Republican Party does not make laws. Number two the term the lawmakers used for a budget bill was taken from the FBI definition.
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Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 10:33:10am |
re: #695 Buck
And there you go. That actually never happened.
Number one, the Republican Party does not make laws. Number two the term the lawmakers used for a budget bill was taken from the FBI definition.
AND although people might argue that the word would exclude victims of anal or oral rape and male rape I mention again it is about government abortion funding, not the crime of rape.
My position, again, is that There is NO NON-VIOLENT way to force intercourse on a person. All Rape is by definition violent.
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Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 10:35:21am |
re: #688 Obdicut
examinations of women for virginity, not about the rapes themselves.
Again we seem to have a different understanding of the same words. In my english Non-concentual examinations of women for virginity = rape.
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iossarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 10:35:49am |
re: #696 Buck
AND although people might argue that the word would exclude victims of anal or oral rape and male rape I mention again it is about government abortion funding, not the crime of rape.
My position, again, is that There is NO NON-VIOLENT way to force intercourse on a person. All Rape is by definition violent.
How do you define "violent"?
What is the "violence" that occurs in statutory rape?
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RadicalModerate Fri, Jun 10, 2011 10:41:50am |
re: #695 Buck
And there you go. That actually never happened.
Number one, the Republican Party does not make laws. Number two the term the lawmakers used for a budget bill was taken from the FBI definition.
So, this "actually never happened"?
House Republicans Plan to Redefine Rape to Cut Abortion Funding
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Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 10:42:24am |
re: #697 Buck
Again we seem to have a different understanding of the same words. In my english Non-concentual examinations of women for virginity = rape.
Great. So you consider the GOP mandating the insertion of vaginal wands into women seeking abortions to be rape too, yeah?
| 701 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 10:42:28am |
re: #698 iossarian
How do you define "violent"?
What is the "violence" that occurs in statutory rape?
I really don't want to go there again. I would guess we will disagree on if there is consensual statutory rape. My position is that there is no such thing as consensual statutory rape. MOST IMPORTANT, can we keep this to the budget bill for the rules on when the government will pay for an abortion? Because that is what the bill was about. If you want to say that children can consent to statutory rape, you will find a lot of support here. However in that case there would be no need for a state paid for abortion would there?
I don't really mean to jump ahead in this debate, but I feel we are going around in circles. If you don't believe there is consensual statutory rape, then the act of intercourse, without consent is by definition forced, and therefore a violent act..
| 702 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 10:43:22am |
re: #696 Buck
Women get raped without any violence or force involved every day.
So do children.
So do men.
It's a terrible, terrible thing.
I have no idea why you want to deny it happens.
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Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 10:43:56am |
re: #699 RadicalModerate
So, this "actually never happened"?
House Republicans Plan to Redefine Rape to Cut Abortion Funding
Correct.. the republican party is not the same as house republicans, and the definition of rape was already in the FBI using the same term. No redefinition, and no republican party.
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Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 10:45:50am |
re: #700 Obdicut
Great. So you consider the GOP mandating the insertion of vaginal wands into women seeking abortions to be rape too, yeah?
You didn't address why you thought that non consenting virginity tests were not rape.
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Kronocide Fri, Jun 10, 2011 10:48:40am |
If a victim decides to consent (meaning give in and let rapist have sex), and there's no fight, then it's not rape?
If you don't fight back, then you consent?
Weird.
| 706 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 10:48:48am |
re: #704 Buck
I do consider them a sexual assault. Depending on the way they were done, they might very well be rape-- like the insertion of a vaginal wand is. So you're right-- that comment might have accused the GOP of endorsing rape in the same way as the Egyptian Army; but only if you acknowledge that forcing women to have vaginal wands inserted against their wishes is rape.
So you consider the GOP mandating the insertion of vaginal wands into women seeking abortions to be rape too, yeah?
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iossarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 10:49:06am |
re: #701 Buck
I really don't want to go there again. I would guess we will disagree on if there is consensual statutory rape. My position is that there is no such thing as consensual statutory rape. MOST IMPORTANT, can we keep this to the budget bill for the rules on when the government will pay for an abortion? Because that is what the bill was about. If you want to say that children can consent to statutory rape, you will find a lot of support here. However in that case there would be no need for a state paid for abortion would there?
I don't really mean to jump ahead in this debate, but I feel we are going around in circles. If you don't believe there is consensual statutory rape, then the act of intercourse, without consent is by definition forced, and therefore a violent act..
It seems your definition of the word "violent": is: if an physical act falls under the current legal definition of rape, including statutory rape, then it is violent.
That's an odd definition of violent. I would think a more useful definition would be something along the lines of: a violent act is one which causes physical or some other kind of damage.
But I can see why you wouldn't want to revisit this aspect of the debate.
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Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 10:53:55am |
re: #707 iossarian
It seems your definition of the word "violent": is: if an physical act falls under the current legal definition of rape, including statutory rape, then it is violent.
That's an odd definition of violent. I would think a more useful definition would be something along the lines of: a violent act is one which causes physical or some other kind of damage.
But I can see why you wouldn't want to revisit this aspect of the debate.
Yep, we have a different definition of violent. For me it is marked by force not always damage. And I should not have to describe the act of rape in such detail to point out how force is used. But I also think statutory rape does damage the victim.
| 709 |
iossarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 10:56:18am |
re: #708 Buck
Yep, we have a different definition of violent. For me it is marked by force not always damage. And I should not have to describe the act of rape in such detail to point out how force is used. But I also think statutory rape does damage the victim.
Shame you're at odds with the GOP then:
But on Tuesday, Nick Baumann of Mother Jones reported that Republicans may be attempting a back-door maneuver to re-include those provisions. In short, they issued a committee report decreeing that H.R. 3 will "not allow the Federal Government to subsidize abortions in cases of statutory rape." Experts said that a judge could conceivably interpret that to deny federally subsidized care in some rape cases, even if the bill's language may suggest otherwise.
Emphasis mine. Why does the GOP want to treat statutory rape as different to other kinds of rape, if in your mind they're both "violent"?
[Link: www.rawstory.com...]
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Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 10:56:57am |
re: #708 Buck
There are many, many rapes that don't involve force at all, except to the extent that normal, consensual sex does.
Why do you want to deny this?
If a guy takes advantage of a drunk girl, convincing her to have sex with him when she's impaired, there's no 'force' in that whatsoever.
Why do you continually deny that?
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RadicalModerate Fri, Jun 10, 2011 10:58:18am |
re: #703 Buck
Correct.. the republican party is not the same as house republicans, and the definition of rape was already in the FBI using the same term. No redefinition, and no republican party.
So, the members of the federal legislative body of the United States aren't representatives of the party as a whole - not to mention that this legislation was endorsed by Speaker John Boehner (who said passage was a "top priority")?
Also, it isn't only the Republicans in the US House of Representatives who are attempting to engage in this redefinition. Off the top of my head, the states of Georgia, Idaho, Texas, Arkansas, South Dakota, and Kansas have similar statutes proposed. This is a wholesale attempt by the party itself to redefine rape.
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Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:00:02am |
re: #711 RadicalModerate
I think Buck is basically arguing that unless the entirety of the GOP does something, you can't say the GOP is doing it.
So when we say "GOP elects Reince Priebus chair", we're actually lying because not everyone voted for him.
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Interesting Times Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:02:21am |
[Link: definitions.uslegal.com...]
Forcible compulsion in relation to sexual offences means to compel by use of physical force or by threat. Forcible compulsion places a person in fear of immediate or future death, or physical injury to one's self or another person or in fear that the person or another person will immediately or in future be kidnapped.
...
As used in chapter 743, Oregon Laws 1971, unless the context requires otherwise:(2) "Forcible compulsion" means to compel by:
(a) Physical force; or
(b) A threat, express or implied, that places a person in fear of immediate or future death or physical injury to self or another person, or in fear that the person or another person will immediately or in the future be kidnapped.
It then goes on to list other forms of rape that don't fall under the "forcible compulsion" definition, such as a victim being "incapable of consent by reason of mental defect, mental incapacitation or physical helplessness." This, among other things, would not be considered rape if you limited the definition of rape to "forcible" varieties. Forcible in a legal context means exactly what's in the definition of "forcible compulsion", nothing more.
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iossarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:02:52am |
re: #712 Obdicut
I think Buck is basically arguing that unless the entirety of the GOP does something, you can't say the GOP is doing it.
So when we say "GOP elects Reince Priebus chair", we're actually lying because not everyone voted for him.
Anyone who supports these people has to start owning the outcomes. This whole "the House Republicans are not the same as Republicans overall" claim is absurd on its face.
| 715 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:02:59am |
re: #712 Obdicut
I think Buck is basically arguing that unless the entirety of the GOP does something, you can't say the GOP is doing it.
So when we say "GOP elects Reince Priebus chair", we're actually lying because not everyone voted for him.
That is not what I am saying at all. The Republican party does vote and decide on who it's leadership is. It does not make laws.
| 716 |
iossarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:04:08am |
re: #715 Buck
That is not what I am saying at all. The Republican party does vote and decide on who it's leadership is. It does not make laws.
Do you understand what the purpose of a legislative body is, Buck?
This beggars belief at this point.
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Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:04:36am |
re: #715 Buck
That is not what I am saying at all. The Republican party does vote and decide on who it's leadership is. It does not make laws.
So when they add an amendment to a bill that passes and becomes law-- how is that not making law?
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Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:07:10am |
Oh, and Buck, you've dodged this:
I do consider [virginity tests] a sexual assault. Depending on the way they were done, they might very well be rape-- like the insertion of a vaginal wand is. So you're right-- that comment might have accused the GOP of endorsing rape in the same way as the Egyptian Army; but only if you acknowledge that forcing women to have vaginal wands inserted against their wishes is rape.
So you consider the GOP mandating the insertion of vaginal wands into women seeking abortions to be rape too, yeah?
| 719 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:07:48am |
re: #717 Obdicut
So when they add an amendment to a bill that passes and becomes law-- how is that not making law?
The Republican Party adds an amendment? I have never seen that happen. The Republican Party is unelected. I certainly hope they don't make law.
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Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:08:53am |
re: #716 iossarian
Do you understand what the purpose of a legislative body is, Buck?
This beggars belief at this point.
The Republican Party is not a legislative body.
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Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:10:21am |
re: #719 Buck
The Republican Party adds an amendment? I have never seen that happen. The Republican Party is unelected. I certainly hope they don't make law.
Yes, the Republican Party adds an amendment, meaning the Republican members of the legislature add it to the bill and then vote on it. Which is a perfectly common and legitimate reason of "The Republican Party". The party exists, after all, as a vehicle for the congregation and election of legislators and executives. That is the entire purpose of the party.
I'm not sure what you think playing dumb about this is going to achieve, other than making yourself look dumb.
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iossarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:10:37am |
re: #720 Buck
The Republican Party is not a legislative body.
Oh I see. People who raise funds, campaign, organize and vote for Republican politicians to represent them in the lawmaking process cannot then be blamed when those Republican politicians introduce laws legalizing the forced insertion of foreign objects into the sexual organs of women, because, because, because...
Wait, why can't they be blamed for that?
| 723 |
RadicalModerate Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:11:38am |
re: #720 Buck
The Republican Party is not a legislative body.
You do understand what the definition of what a "representative" is, don't you?
| 724 |
Kronocide Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:11:41am |
| 725 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:12:00am |
re: #718 Obdicut
So you consider the GOP mandating the insertion of vaginal wands into women seeking abortions to be rape too, yeah?
I have dodged nothing. I also do not think that women rounded up for protesting is the same thing as women seeking federally funded abortions.
AND just to be more clear I am pro-choice, 100% pro-choice.
| 726 |
jaunte Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:12:41am |
re: #724 BigPapa
Plausible deniablility for people who can't think very well.
| 727 |
iossarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:13:23am |
re: #725 Buck
AND just to be more clear I am pro-choice, 100% pro-choice.
Except that you don't think that poor women should be given any assistance by the state to funding a needed abortion.
"100% in favor of women who can afford it, to be able to have an abortion."
| 729 |
allegro Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:14:25am |
re: #725 Buck
I have dodged nothing. I also do not think that women rounded up for protesting is the same thing as women seeking federally funded abortions.
They are all being victimized similarly. Do you find one group more morally pure than the other and less deserving of institutional rape?
| 730 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:14:44am |
re: #724 BigPapa
Why is this distinction important?
I have already answered that. I am talking about generalizations. I am against them. You seek to spread them. Nuff said.
| 731 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:15:09am |
re: #725 Buck
You have, and continue to dodge the question.
You are also now lying, as the bills passed by the GOP do not relate to federally funded abortions. Federally funded abortions are already prohibited by law.
Please try to avoid lying.
Now:
There are laws passed by the GOP that says any woman seeking an abortion-- not a federally funded one, but any abortion-- must have an ultrasound of the embryo taken by a vaginal wand, and the picture then shown to them. This is regardless of whether the patient or the doctor want this procedure.
Do you consider that rape?
| 732 |
iossarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:15:49am |
re: #725 Buck
AND just to be more clear I am pro-choice, 100% pro-choice.
Do you think it's wrong that women are forced to endure foreign object insertion in order to have an abortion?
Or is that just part of the "choice" process for you?
| 733 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:16:53am |
re: #731 Obdicut
You are also now lying, as the bills passed by the GOP do not relate to federally funded abortions. Federally funded abortions are already prohibited by law.
The law, which you say was trying to redefine rape was a budget bill. That is not a lie. That is what it was. You might keep trying to change the subject to another bill, but I am not.
| 734 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:19:05am |
re: #732 iossarian
Do you think it's wrong that women are forced to endure foreign object insertion in order to have an abortion?
Or is that just part of the "choice" process for you?
Right... no forcing foreign objects into women, only medical instruments should be used in the medical procedure known as abortion.
| 735 |
Kronocide Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:19:21am |
re: #730 Buck
I have already answered that. I am talking about generalizations. I am against them. You seek to spread them. Nuff said.
Well maybe you could point me to where you answered that so I don't have to reread all these posts that I have already been following. Maybe I simply missed it.
Ironic that you are against generalizations but generalize with me 'seeking to spread them.' Generalizations are actually effective forms of communication though they can obviously be detrimental if used lazily or improperly. You seem to not like generalizations with the Republican party although, it's pretty clear to me, these generalizations seem to be, practically speaking, correct.
| 736 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:20:25am |
re: #733 Buck
No, Buck, the lie was this:
I also do not think that women rounded up for protesting is the same thing as women seeking federally funded abortions.
There are no such thing as federally funded abortions, and the bill I'm asking you about is about the insertion of vaginal wands for all women seeking abortions.
This is not, in fact, changing the subject, but merely a case where you know that you've lied but won't admit it, so you try to move away from the topic.
You also have not explained how the rape of a drunken women who consents to sex is somehow forceful in a way that normal, consensual sex is not.
| 737 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:21:27am |
re: #734 Buck
Right... no forcing foreign objects into women, only medical instruments should be used in the medical procedure known as abortion.
In medical parlance, medical instruments are 'foreign objects'. So your sentence doesn't actually mean anything.
| 738 |
RadicalModerate Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:21:33am |
re: #725 Buck
I have dodged nothing. I also do not think that women rounded up for protesting is the same thing as women seeking federally funded abortions.
AND just to be more clear I am pro-choice, 100% pro-choice.
Then a couple of questions for you:
1. Should there be legal restrictions on the general availability of pregnancy termination services, outside of health-related regulations that any medical-services provider would require?
2. Should a woman be restricted in her right to terminate her own pregnancy? And if so, under what circumstances should she be allowed to do so?
| 739 |
Interesting Times Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:21:47am |
re: #734 Buck
Right... no forcing foreign objects into women, only medical instruments should be used in the medical procedure known as abortion.
Intelligence-insulting douchebaggery like this is why your karma is well over -5000.
You're far too spineless to answer.
| 740 |
iossarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:24:18am |
re: #734 Buck
Right... no forcing foreign objects into women, only medical instruments should be used in the medical procedure known as abortion.
You don't know what you're talking about, Buck.
I'm asking you about the laws forcing women to have invasive ultrasounds before they can receive an abortion. Not the medical procedure itself.
Face it. You're defending an organization that wants to delegitimize and obstruct abortion provision. You've even been pushed into the absurd claim that "Republicans" aren't to blame for the laws passed by Republican politicians.
And this from a so-called "100% pro-choice" advocate. It's pathetic.
| 741 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:25:23am |
re: #740 iossarian
You've even been pushed into the absurd claim that "Republicans" aren't to blame for the laws passed by Republican politicians.
That part is hilarious.
| 742 |
Interesting Times Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:28:00am |
re: #741 Obdicut
That part is hilarious.
"you might run on for a long time
run on, ducking and dodging..."
| 743 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:29:05am |
re: #742 publicityStunted
Moby dated a friend of mine, and his nickname for her was "The breast monster".
Weird dude.
| 744 |
BongCrodny Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:33:56am |
re: #725 Buck
I have dodged nothing. I also do not think that women rounded up for protesting is the same thing as women seeking federally funded abortions.
AND just to be more clear I am pro-choice, 100% pro-choice.
Only four downdings for such obvious horseshit?
Allow me to contribute.
| 745 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:35:24am |
re: #736 Obdicut
No, Buck, the lie was this:
There are no such thing as federally funded abortions, and the bill I'm asking you about is about the insertion of vaginal wands for all women seeking abortions.
No lie. Again, the bill I have been talking about is a budget bill, and it made exception for rape and incest. As mentioned in CHAPTER 4 SEC 309
[Link: thomas.loc.gov...]
Is your comment "There are no such thing as federally funded abortions" a lie?
I will move on, you are arguing that for the purposes of determining that exception, adding the word forcible in front of the word rape changes the definition of rape. I disagreed, and point out that the definition of rape that the FBI uses has the word in it as well, so no redefinition is being done for two reasons. The bill is not defining for the purpose of defining a crime, and it is already the FBI definition.
I have not engaged you on that OTHER discussion, because I didn't want you to be able to shift what I am saying to other debates. Something you like doing.
| 746 |
iossarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:38:02am |
re: #745 Buck
I have not engaged you on that OTHER discussion, becauseI didn't want you to be able to shift what I am saying to other debatesthe party I am supporting is advocating a truly heinous position, and I can't defend it.
Fixed.
| 747 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:39:17am |
re: #746 iossarian
Fixed.
It is easier to debate me if you can put words in my mouth. I can see how that would be convenient.
| 748 |
RadicalModerate Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:39:23am |
| 749 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:40:52am |
No lie. Again, the bill I have been talking about is a budget bill, and it made exception for rape and incest. As mentioned in CHAPTER 4 SEC 309
I know that you're discussing that bill, Buck. We're also discussing the bill that mandates that any women seeking abortions have a vaginal wand inserted. Just as we're also, since you introduced the topic, talking about virginity tests done by the Egyptian Police.
Is your comment "There are no such thing as federally funded abortions" a lie?
You're right. I was incorrect to say that-- there are federally funded abortions, through medicaid, in the cases of incest, rape, or potential death of the mother. The GOP's bill was attempting to restrict that further, so that only certain kinds of rape-- forcible rape-- was allowed to be funded.
However, we were discussing the vaginal wands at that point, which have nothing to do with federally funded abortions-- nothing at all.
| 750 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:42:02am |
re: #745 Buck
Buck why do you accuse me of trying to shift the debate to other events when you were the one to bring up another thread and another debate?
| 751 |
iossarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:42:50am |
re: #747 Buck
It is easier to debate me if you can put words in my mouth. I can see how that would be convenient.
In that case, why not say what you think about the GOP-backed laws forcing women to have invasive procedures (which you have likened to rape) before being allowed to have abortions?
If you can do that in the context of your "100% pro-choice, anti-rape" stance, that would be even more impressive.
| 752 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:43:44am |
re: #738 RadicalModerate
1. Should there be legal restrictions on the general availability of pregnancy termination services, outside of health-related regulations that any medical-services provider would require?
I would prefer something that limits third term pregnancy termination. But I know that is difficult to do. I am not sure how.
2. Should a woman be restricted in her right to terminate her own pregnancy? And if so, under what circumstances should she be allowed to do so?
Again, I have a problem with late (third) term terminations.
| 753 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:44:25am |
re: #752 Buck
I would prefer something that limits third term pregnancy termination. But I know that is difficult to do. I am not sure how.
So, are you also against the GOP-mandated bills that require the insertion of a vaginal wand into a woman?
And do you consider that act, when it is against the desires of the woman and the doctor, to be rape?
| 754 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:44:46am |
re: #749 Obdicut
However, we were discussing the vaginal wands at that point, which have nothing to do with federally funded abortions-- nothing at all.
I wasn't.
| 755 |
iossarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:45:38am |
| 756 |
RadicalModerate Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:48:23am |
re: #752 Buck
I would prefer something that limits third term pregnancy termination. But I know that is difficult to do. I am not sure how.
Again, I have a problem with late (third) term terminations.
Which would be roughly 1/2 of 1% of all abortions - and I'd wager the vast majority of those are medically necessary to save the life of the mother.
| 757 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:48:54am |
re: #749 Obdicut
Is your comment "There are no such thing as federally funded abortions" a lie?You're right. I was incorrect to say that-- there are federally funded abortions, through medicaid, in the cases of incest, rape, or potential death of the mother. The GOP's bill was attempting to restrict that further, so that only certain kinds of rape-- forcible rape-- was allowed to be funded.
OK so it was not redefining rape. Which was your position right until this moment.
| 758 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:49:13am |
re: #754 Buck
I wasn't.
Buck, intentionally misanswering my question is as just as much a lie. I made it explicitly clear I was talking about the insertion of vaginal wands. Answering as though I wasn't asking that is a very obvious dodge.
You are still dodging the question. You just attempted to dodge by talking about 'foreign objects' as though medical equipment wasn't a foreign object.
The point, obviously, is not if whether what's being inserted into the woman's vagina is a piece of medical equipment or not, but whether she and her doctors agree that it's necessary. The bills passed by the GOP mandates that it happen whether or not there's any medical necessity and whether or not the woman wants it to happen.
| 759 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:50:12am |
re: #756 RadicalModerate
Which would be roughly 1/2 of 1% of all abortions - and I'd wager the vast majority of those are medically necessary to save the life of the mother.
I have no problem with that statement, however I was asked about any termination under any circumstances, and I was honest with my answer.
| 760 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:50:54am |
re: #757 Buck
You're right. I was incorrect to say that-- there are federally funded abortions, through medicaid, in the cases of incest, rape, or potential death of the mother. The GOP's bill was attempting to restrict that further, so that only certain kinds of rape-- forcible rape-- was allowed to be funded.
OK so it was not redefining rape. Which was your position right until this moment.
I'm sorry, is this you agreeing that there's a distinction between forcible and non-forcible rape? Because my argument was that the GOP wanted to cut funding for certain kinds of rape-- the non-forcible kind, which you deny exists.
| 761 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:51:26am |
re: #759 Buck
You haven't answered this yet:
So, are you also against the GOP-mandated bills that require the insertion of a vaginal wand into a woman?
And do you consider that act, when it is against the desires of the woman and the doctor, to be rape?
| 762 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:55:08am |
re: #758 Obdicut
Buck, intentionally misanswering my question is as just as much a lie.
OK you can think so. It would not be true, but hey that doesn't seem to stop you. I said that I wasn't allowing you to shift the discussion.
The discussion for ME was about generalizing and demonizing a group. I gave two examples. Saying that the GOP is the party to turn to if you want to rape women protesters, and that the GOP was redefining rape.
I made it explicitly clear I was talking about the insertion of vaginal wands. Answering as though I wasn't asking that is a very obvious dodge.
Yes, you were very clear that YOU were talking about something else. I just wasn't going there with you.
| 763 |
iossarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:58:11am |
The story so far (a handy recap):
Buck: All rape is violent. There is no such thing as non-violent rape.
Others: The GOP wants to specify that federal funding is not to be used in the case of non-forcible instances of rape, such as statutory rape. Do you realize that you are at odds with the GOP platform on this issue?
Buck: [silence]
...
Buck: The forced virginity inspection act is rape.
Others: What do you think of the GOP-backed laws forcing a woman to have a vaginal ultrasound (which is not medically necessary) if she wants to have an abortion? Is this also rape?
Buck: [silence]
...
Ye debate continueth...
| 765 |
RadicalModerate Fri, Jun 10, 2011 11:59:39am |
re: #759 Buck
I have no problem with that statement, however I was asked about any termination under any circumstances, and I was honest with my answer.
So, exactly why are you engaging in this argument, then, when the number of non-medically necessary third-trimester abortions per year in the US can be probably counted on one hand?
Abortions in the case of rape typically are done immediately after "rape-kit" medical examinations via emergency contraception (ie RU-486 "morning-after"), or RU-486/Misoprostol regiments if the first method fails. Surgical abortions are typically a last-line procedure.
| 766 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:00:23pm |
re: #764 Obdicut
Heh.
I love it when I do that.
Basically, Buck, you're admitting that you're dodging questions, though you're casting yourself as the hero by saying you're not 'letting' me 'shift' the discussion-- as though you're a moderator, or in charge of the discussion.
You simply don't want to answer the question-- except in snide, mean asides like saying that only medical equipment and not 'foreign objects' should be used in a medical procedure.
So, I'll ask again:
So, are you also against the GOP-mandated bills that require the insertion of a vaginal wand into a woman seeking an abortion?
And do you consider that act, when it is against the desires of the woman and the doctor, to be rape?
| 767 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:00:41pm |
re: #760 Obdicut
I'm sorry, is this you agreeing that there's a distinction between forcible and non-forcible rape? Because my argument was that the GOP wanted to cut funding for certain kinds of rape-- the non-forcible kind, which you deny exists.
Which I think you said was incest. Which was covered by this bill specifically.
No my position has not changed.
| 768 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:03:31pm |
re: #767 Buck
No, Buck, you didn't think that. As I've made it very clear in this thread-- and which you've dodged throughout-- there's a lot of forms of non-forcible rape, like a man convincing a woman who's extremely drunk to have sex with him, using absolutely no force whatseover, just the knowledge that she's deep in her cups and not exercising real consent.
Are you saying:
A) That a man convincing an extremely drunk woman to have sex with him, not using any force or threat, is somehow 'forcible', and, if so, please explain how
or
B) Are you saying that's not rape?
| 769 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:06:24pm |
re: #763 iossarian
The story so far (a handy recap):
Buck: All rape is violent. There is no such thing as non-violent rape.
Others: The GOP wants to specify that federal funding is not to be used in the case of non-forcible instances of rape, such as statutory rape. Do you realize that you are at odds with the GOP platform on this issue?
Buck: [silence]
Again, this will go so much better if you just make up what I say. I don't even have to be here.
You didn't see my #701? Was that silence?
Buck: The forced virginity inspection act is rape.
Others: What do you think of the GOP-backed laws forcing a woman to have a vaginal ultrasound (which is not medically necessary) if she wants to have an abortion? Is this also rape?
Buck: [silence]
I answered that by pointing out that I didn't not think that was comparing apples with apples. My #725
No silence again.
Recap fail.
| 770 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:08:04pm |
re: #769 Buck
Buck, keep track of your arguments. You were claiming just above that you weren't answering that question, that you were not letting me 'shift' the debate, and were only talking about women seeking federally funded abortions, remember?
Keep track of your dodges, dude. You're getting all tangled up.
| 771 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:11:28pm |
re: #768 Obdicut
I have answered that multiple times for you. In this thread and two others.
| 772 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:12:22pm |
re: #770 Obdicut
Buck, keep track of your arguments. You were claiming just above that you weren't answering that question, that you were not letting me 'shift' the debate, and were only talking about women seeking federally funded abortions, remember?
Keep track of your dodges, dude. You're getting all tangled up.
Only on your mind.
| 773 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:13:14pm |
re: #771 Buck
No, you haven't. You've said you consider that forcible, but you've never explained how you can consider it forcible. You've dodged it, as you are dodging it now.
If you're not, then just replicate the answer, and show me up. Otherwise, given the incredible amounts of dodging and squirming you're doing, no one is going to possibly believe you.
| 774 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:14:22pm |
re: #772 Buck
Only on your mind.
Let me remind you that you haven't answered this question:
So, are you also against the GOP-mandated bills that require the insertion of a vaginal wand into a woman seeking an abortion?
And do you consider that act, when it is against the desires of the woman and the doctor, to be rape?
| 775 |
iossarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:14:54pm |
re: #769 Buck
Again, this will go so much better if you just make up what I say. I don't even have to be here.
You didn't see my #701? Was that silence?
Your 701 states:
My position is that there is no such thing as consensual statutory rape.
In other words, you're saying that the GOP restriction of funding to "forcible rape" makes no sense, as there is no such thing as "non-forcible rape". Good to know that Republican politicians are wasting our time with laws that don't mean anything.
I answered that by pointing out that I didn't not think that was comparing apples with apples. My #725
Your 725:
I also do not think that women rounded up for protesting is the same thing as women seeking federally funded abortions.
The "seeking federally funded abortions" part is bunk: the vaginal wand insertion law applies in the case of all abortions. If a woman wants an abortion, she is forced to have the wand inserted first. Regardless of funding source.
AND just to be more clear I am pro-choice, 100% pro-choice.
And part of that "choice" apparently is the obligation to submit yourself to an invasive procedure.
| 776 |
Interesting Times Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:21:21pm |
re: #769 Buck
I answered that by pointing out that I didn't not think that was comparing apples with apples.
Your writing skills are doubleplusungood.
re: #773 Obdicut
No, you haven't. You've said you consider that forcible, but you've never explained how you can consider it forcible. You've dodged it, as you are dodging it now.
Just so there's no weasel-word wiggle room, I'll repeat the legal definition of "forcible" I linked to above:
Forcible compulsion in relation to sexual offences means to compel by use of physical force or by threat. Forcible compulsion places a person in fear of immediate or future death, or physical injury to one's self or another person or in fear that the person or another person will immediately or in future be kidnapped.
This cannot apply to a drunk or otherwise incapacitated person. You need a separate category of rape to cover that.
| 777 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:21:54pm |
re: #773 Obdicut
If you're not, then just replicate the answer, and show me up. Otherwise, given the incredible amounts of dodging and squirming you're doing, no one is going to possibly believe you.
If only replicating my answer would show you up.
I am very clear. No dodge, no squirm.
My position, again, is that There is NO NON-VIOLENT way to force intercourse on a person. All Rape is by definition violent.
If there is no consent, then the sex is forced. Rape means lack of consent.
You think I am squirming? You think I am dodging? Well once again we are speaking a different language.
HOWEVER, it doesn't matter anymore. YOU have agreed to change YOUR position that "the GOP was redefining rape".
| 778 |
iossarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:22:33pm |
Buck, a seemingly-trivial aspect of the Texas forced-sonogram bill is that it obliges most women to make two separate trips to a clinic in order to have an abortion. One to have the sonogram, and another (at least 24 hours later) to have the actual abortion. There are waivers for women who live more than 100 miles from a clinic, an amazingly cynical recognition that this imposes a hardship on women seeking an abortion.
My question to you is: in the context of your "100% pro-choice" stance, what do you think of a law that makes it harder for a woman to obtain an abortion, than it would be in the absence of that law? Is such a law good or bad?
| 779 |
iossarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:24:11pm |
re: #777 Buck
My position, again, is that There is NO NON-VIOLENT way to force intercourse on a person. All Rape is by definition violent.
Do you agree that the GOP legislative platform does not accept this point of view, that they do in fact believe that there are some instances of rape that are non-violent?
| 780 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:24:56pm |
re: #777 Buck
If only replicating my answer would show you up.
My position, again, is that There is NO NON-VIOLENT way to force intercourse on a person. All Rape is by definition violent.
But why do you think that, when there's so much rape that is obviously non-forcible? This is the question you're being asked, and that you're dodging. Why do you call cases of rape where there's no force or violence whatsoever forceful and violent?
HOWEVER, it doesn't matter anymore. YOU have agreed to change YOUR position that "the GOP was redefining rape".
They were. And no, I haven't agreed to change my position. I have no idea why you're suddenly crowing that I have.
| 781 |
iossarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:27:35pm |
re: #780 Obdicut
To be fair to Buck (!) his opinion that all rape (as currently legally defined) is violent could make sense, if you used a very specific (and unusual, in the sense that it differs significantly from the dictionary) definition of the word "violent".
It's just a shame that the GOP doesn't agree with this position, and classifies some rape as violent and some as non-violent, for the purposes of determining whether it can be funded or not.
| 782 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:27:59pm |
re: #778 iossarian
My question to you is: in the context of your "100% pro-choice" stance, what do you think of a law that makes it harder for a woman to obtain an abortion, than it would be in the absence of that law? Is such a law good or bad?
I answered that in #752
In case it was not clear, and "100% pro-choice" wasn't clear,
let me use radicalmoderates words, as they seem to be well thought out.
No legal restrictions on the general availability of pregnancy termination services, outside of health-related regulations that any medical-services provider would require.
| 783 |
iossarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:29:43pm |
re: #782 Buck
I answered that in #752
In case it was not clear, and "100% pro-choice" wasn't clear,
let me use radicalmoderates words, as they seem to be well thought out.No legal restrictions on the general availability of pregnancy termination services, outside of health-related regulations that any medical-services provider would require.
So you agree that the Republican attempts to make it harder to obtain a (first term) abortion are wrong?
| 784 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:30:00pm |
re: #781 iossarian
To be fair to Buck (!) his opinion that all rape (as currently legally defined) is violent could make sense, if you used a very specific (and unusual, in the sense that it differs significantly from the dictionary) definition of the word "violent".
The actual word is 'forcible' though. Which carries a different meaning, and would exclude rapes that occur when consent is given but the person giving consent doesn't have legal capacity to do so, like a drunk woman.
If you intentionally get a woman drunk so she'll have sex with you and she initiates the sex, it is still rape.
| 786 |
iossarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:32:39pm |
re: #785 Obdicut
Boy, you must hate the GOP then.
You would think so.
BTW, I completely agree with the forcible/non-forcible points you make. I'm only trying to point out that the Republican party does not share Buck's view that all rape is "violent" or "forced".
| 787 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:34:14pm |
re: #783 iossarian
So you agree that the Republican attempts to make it harder to obtain a (first term) abortion are wrong?
Absolutely. I have been perfectly clear about that. I think that the courts will slap it down. That is how the system works.
The law (rowe v wade) is crystal clear on this. The Supremes have been very clear on this. Only a moron would actually pass a bill that says otherwise.
| 788 |
iossarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:35:57pm |
re: #787 Buck
Absolutely. I have been perfectly clear about that. I think that the courts will slap it down. That is how the system works.
The law (rowe v wade) is crystal clear on this. The Supremes have been very clear on this. Only a moron would actually pass a bill that says otherwise.
I am overjoyed to hear you say this, but I think most people will agree that the bolded part of your statement is somewhat at odds with the previous 100 or so comments. :)
| 789 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:36:27pm |
re: #787 Buck
Buck, the system isn't supposed to work with the GOP passing terrible, unconstitutional laws that attack women's rights to choose, and a court case, at great expense to the taxpayer, being brought. That is not the system working. That is the failsafe in the system working.
It's surprising you find the GOP to be morons.
| 790 |
iossarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:38:10pm |
re: #789 Obdicut
It's surprising you find the GOP to be morons.
The GOP - so moronic it's obvious even to Buck.
| 791 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:39:06pm |
re: #785 Obdicut
Boy, you must hate the GOP then.
So if I don't agree with something I have to hate the whole party?
You must be very shallow if you think that way.
| 792 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:39:07pm |
re: #790 iossarian
Well, given Buck's tendency to define GOP to mean whatever he wants it to at any given time, I'm expecting a rebuttal along those lines.
At least he didn't attempt to imply I'm a pedophile in this thread. That makes for a nice change.
| 794 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:39:43pm |
re: #788 iossarian
I am overjoyed to hear you say this, but I think most people will agree that the bolded part of your statement is somewhat at odds with the previous 100 or so comments. :)
Only the comments where you put words in my mouth.
| 795 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:41:08pm |
re: #791 Buck
How important is the issue of abortion access to you? Do you think it's important?
What do you feel about the huge numbers of bills passed by the GOP attempting to restrict abortion access?
And finally, the questions you've dodged:
Why do you call cases of rape where there's no force or violence whatsoever forceful and violent?
So, are you also against the GOP-mandated bills that require the insertion of a vaginal wand into a woman seeking an abortion?
And do you consider that act, when it is against the desires of the woman and the doctor, to be rape?
| 796 |
iossarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:41:47pm |
re: #794 Buck
Only the comments where you put words in my mouth.
Oh, Buck. It's frustrating dealing with this, but it's worth it for the payoff where you admit that all those GOP politicians, activists and voters throughout the country who are busily erecting obstacles to abortion are "morons".
You support these guys, by the way. The next step on the road for you is the Dark Falcon defense: "it's not that important a voting issue for me".
| 797 |
iossarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:43:17pm |
How could anyone who has been paying the slightest bit of attention for the last five years think that reducing the availability of abortion is not an absolutely critical plank of current Republican policy?
| 798 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:44:14pm |
re: #797 iossarian
I dunno. It's something the GOP prides itself on, really. It's one of the main points they sell themselves on.
| 799 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:45:10pm |
re: #789 Obdicut
Buck, the system isn't supposed to work with the GOP passing terrible, unconstitutional laws that attack women's rights to choose, and a court case, at great expense to the taxpayer, being brought. That is not the system working. That is the failsafe in the system working.
It's surprising you find the GOP to be morons.
You define things differently than me. But yes I think that putting forth ideas that might prove to be rejected is part of the system.
Free Speech is good for more than the person doing the speaking. It also helps the listener determine who is worthy of being listened to.
In other words, the voter ultimately decides what gets to be debated and possibly becomes law. If the representative steps beyond representing... they will not last long, and they will not be able to actually create laws.
| 800 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:47:08pm |
re: #795 Obdicut
Why do you call cases of rape where there's no force or violence whatsoever forceful and violent?
You promised to be "shown up" on this subject.
| 801 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:48:00pm |
re: #799 Buck
You define things differently than me. But yes I think that putting forth ideas that might prove to be rejected is part of the system.
Is that how you'd characterize the GOP's efforts to subvert Roe v. Wade? I thought you said that you were sure the court would slap it down. Now you say they just might prove to be rejected?
Free Speech is good for more than the person doing the speaking. It also helps the listener determine who is worthy of being listened to.
This has nothing at all to do with free speech.
In other words, the voter ultimately decides what gets to be debated and possibly becomes law. If the representative steps beyond representing... they will not last long, and they will not be able to actually create laws.
What on earth are you on about?
| 802 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:48:21pm |
re: #800 Buck
You promised to be "shown up" on this subject.
Er, no. I said that you could show me up by answering the question. You haven't.
Here it is again:
Why do you call cases of rape where there's no force or violence whatsoever forceful and violent?
| 803 |
iossarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:50:13pm |
re: #799 Buck
So you're saying it's a good thing that the GOP is passing laws that restrict access to abortions, because this just illustrates to people what wankers they are?
That's pretty, er, open-minded of you, I suppose.
Are there any examples of liberal laws that you can think of that are similarly good? Was Obama's healthcare reform legislation a good thing?
| 804 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:52:16pm |
re: #797 iossarian
How could anyone who has been paying the slightest bit of attention for the last five years think that reducing the availability of abortion is not an absolutely critical plank of current Republican policy?
No that is the lefts version of what is critical to republicans.
During the 8 years of the Bush Administration. A republican administration. Was there actually any real reduction in the availability of abortions? During those two terms, did the judges who were appointed to the Supreme court actually and measurably change the availability of abortions?
Are many republicans pro-life? Of course. But I think striking down rowe v wade is the bogey man that the left likes to use to strike fear in voters.
| 805 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:56:34pm |
re: #804 Buck
No that is the lefts version of what is critical to republicans.
The GOP has a party plank that there should be a constiuttional amendment banning abortion.
[Link: www.gop.com...]
This is probably ignorance rather than lying on your part, since you rarely bother to actually research anything before talking about it.
Are many republicans pro-life? Of course. But I think striking down rowe v wade is the bogey man that the left likes to use to strike fear in voters.
Who talked about striking down roe vs wade in this thread, please?
| 806 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:58:03pm |
re: #802 Obdicut
Er, no. I said that you could show me up by answering the question. You haven't.
Here it is again:
Why do you call cases of rape where there's no force or violence whatsoever forceful and violent?
And here is my answer again:
#696
My position, again, is that There is NO NON-VIOLENT way to force intercourse on a person. All Rape is by definition violent.
AS IT APPLIES TO A BILL THAT IS ABOUT ABORTION.
I have been perfectly clear that MY DEFINITION of rape is compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
SO your question to me is "Why do you call cases of compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse where there's no force or violence whatsoever forceful and violent?"
| 807 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 12:59:45pm |
re: #805 Obdicut
A constiuttional amendment banning abortion would have the same effect of striking down rowe v wade.
It will never happen. For a whole bunch of reasons.
| 808 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:00:09pm |
re: #806 Buck
My position, again, is that There is NO NON-VIOLENT way to force intercourse on a person. All Rape is by definition violent.
That is not an answer, Buck. That is a dodge.
But wait:
I have been perfectly clear that MY DEFINITION of rape is compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
Um, so you don't consider getting a woman very drunk and then having her consent to sex to be rape?
Or is that somehow duress?
What about statutory rape-- where the woman is years younger than the man, but agrees to have sex with him-- where is the duress in that?
| 809 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:00:56pm |
re: #807 Buck
But it's a party plank of the GOP, Buck.
Or are you saying it's just an unimportant issue to them-- even though they pass bills restricting abortion constantly, and want to ban it at the federal level?
| 810 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:01:47pm |
re: #806 Buck
Oh, restricting it to physical force or duress also leaves out all rapes by fraud.
Do you not think rape by fraud is rape?
| 811 |
iossarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:08:55pm |
re: #807 Buck
It will never happen. For a whole bunch of reasons.
It will happen if people keep voting Republican. Seriously, Buck, you're delusional if you don't think they would do it. It's one of their core party values.
Why can't there be a constitutional amendment? You say "a whole bunch of reasons" - what are they?
| 812 |
iossarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:12:54pm |
re: #806 Buck
I have been perfectly clear that MY DEFINITION of rape is compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
Buck, you are dangerously close here to saying that a sexual episode that doesn't involve physical force or duress cannot be rape.
Is this really your position?
| 813 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:14:37pm |
re: #808 Obdicut
We really are going around in circles.
Duress: action brought to bear on someone to do something against their will or better judgment.
AND you already know that you and I disagree about statutory rape AS IT APPLIES TO A BILL THAT IS ABOUT WHEN STATE FUNDS ARE USED FOR ABORTION.
My position is clear, again no dodge, no squirm. There is no such thing as consensual statutory rape.
Now you can go to pluto and back if you want. But I am talking about was the definition of rape being changed when the word forcible (a word used in the FBI definition) is put in A BILL THAT IS ABOUT WHEN STATE FUNDS ARE USED FOR ABORTION. So it would apply to girls under the age of consent, who are pregnant as a result of intercourse and are seeking a state funded abortion.
| 814 |
Interesting Times Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:15:34pm |
re: #811 iossarian
It will happen if people keep voting Republican. Seriously, Buck, you're delusional if you don't think they would do it. It's one of their core party values.
All they need for Roe v. Wade to get tossed is one more wingnut judge on the Supreme Court, who President Romney/Palin/Cain would be more than happy to nominate.
Then again, they needn't bother if they pass enough "death by a 1000 cuts" laws, that, while not banning abortion outright, make it all but impossible to get.
| 815 |
iossarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:17:16pm |
re: #813 Buck
Now you can go to pluto and back if you want. But I am talking about was the definition of rape being changed when the word forcible (a word used in the FBI definition) is put in A BILL THAT IS ABOUT WHEN STATE FUNDS ARE USED FOR ABORTION. So it would apply to girls under the age of consent, who are pregnant as a result of intercourse and are seeking a state funded abortion.
So you're saying that girls under the age of consent who become pregnant should not be able to have a state funded abortion? If their parents can't (or won't) pay, they're out of luck?
How very "100% pro-choice" of you.
| 816 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:18:09pm |
re: #813 Buck
Duress: action brought to bear on someone to do something against their will or better judgment.
Yes. And there's a lot of rapes that don't involve duress. Like rape by fraud, or rape of a woman who's drunk beyond capacity to meaningfully consent.
Why do you attempt to deny this? Is it because you don't consider them actually rapes, or because you somehow convince yourself that 'duress' applies when there is no coercion, no force, no threat, nothing being brought to bear?
My position is clear, again no dodge, no squirm. There is no such thing as consensual statutory rape.
The consent or non-consent of an underage girl doesn't matter, because she's not considered to have the capacity to consent. That's why statutory rape is in effect even when the other circumstances wouldn't warrant a rape charge.
| 817 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:19:09pm |
re: #812 iossarian
Buck, you are dangerously close here to saying that a sexual episode that doesn't involve physical force or duress cannot be rape.
Is this really your position?
How can you say that? There is NO NON-VIOLENT way to force intercourse on a person. All Rape is by definition violent.
How can I be more clear?
All Rape is a violent act. The act of intercourse that is non consensual is force.
I have said it all, over and over.
| 818 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:21:41pm |
re: #815 iossarian
So you're saying that girls under the age of consent who become pregnant should not be able to have a state funded abortion? If their parents can't (or won't) pay, they're out of luck?
Just the opposite of what i said.
| 819 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:22:17pm |
re: #817 Buck
Buck, in this scenario:
A woman is asleep in her bed. A man comes into the room and gets into bed. She assumes its her boyfriend, and says, "Hi, honey". He doesn't respond, but starts to caress her. They have sex. Afterwards, he leaves, and she later realizes that wasn't her boyfriend, but her roommate.
Where was the force, duress, or violence there?
| 820 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:24:19pm |
re: #816 Obdicut
We, again have a different understanding of what "no coercion, no force, no threat, nothing being brought to bear" means as it relates to the act of intercourse.
| 821 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:25:15pm |
| 822 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:25:17pm |
re: #819 Obdicut
Buck, in this scenario:
A woman is asleep in her bed. A man comes into the room and gets into bed. She assumes its her boyfriend, and says, "Hi, honey". He doesn't respond, but starts to caress her. They have sex. Afterwards, he leaves, and she later realizes that wasn't her boyfriend, but her roommate.
Where was the force, duress, or violence there?
Like I said you can go to Pluto and back if you want. I am just not going to join you on the trip.
| 823 |
iossarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:25:24pm |
re: #818 Buck
Just the opposite of what i said.
OK, so again, you're taking the anti-GOP view, in that you think that girls who become pregnant via statutory rape should be eligible for state-funded abortions.
I'm not trying to misconstrue you here, Buck, but you're not making yourself clear at all.
re: #817 Buck
How can you say that? There is NO NON-VIOLENT way to force intercourse on a person. All Rape is by definition violent.
Buck, I don't think you are knowingly doing this, but you should be aware that your language is almost indistinguishable from that of those people who believe, for example, that women who do not resist physically have not "really" been raped.
Now I am not accusing you of taking this position. But you really should realize that this is how some people will interpret these statements of yours, because they are essentially formulated in the same way.
I think you should really think through your position and come up with a clearer way of expressing it, that distances you from that other position, which again, I don't think you espouse.
| 824 |
Charles Johnson Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:26:26pm |
re: #804 Buck
No that is the lefts version of what is critical to republicans.
During the 8 years of the Bush Administration. A republican administration. Was there actually any real reduction in the availability of abortions? During those two terms, did the judges who were appointed to the Supreme court actually and measurably change the availability of abortions?
Are many republicans pro-life? Of course. But I think striking down rowe v wade is the bogey man that the left likes to use to strike fear in voters.
That is just ridiculous, even for you.
There's a full-on war going on right now against women's rights, and you're actually denying that it's even happening. Do you think anyone is buying this hooey you're spouting?
| 825 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:26:27pm |
re: #822 Buck
In other words: You can't explain how there is duress or violence there, and so you will dodge the question.
As you will dodge all explanations that show how there can be rape that is not forcible or violent.
| 826 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:28:20pm |
re: #822 Buck
I was citing an actual case of a woman being raped, by the way. I have no idea why you consider citing cases of rape to be 'going to Pluto'.
| 827 |
Interesting Times Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:29:14pm |
re: #820 Buck
We, again have a different understanding of what "no coercion, no force, no threat, nothing being brought to bear" means as it relates to the act of intercourse.
Yes, Obdicut is using the legally recognized definition and you aren't. Since you've mentioned the FBI numerous times:
Forcible rape, as defined in the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, is the carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will. Attempts or assaults to commit rape by force or threat of force are also included; however, statutory rape (without force) and other sex offenses are excluded.
So the GOP, by attempting to use the "forcible rape" language, would have disallowed rapes considered by the FBI to be "without force".
| 828 |
RadicalModerate Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:30:00pm |
re: #824 Charles
That is just ridiculous, even for you.
There's a full-on war going on right now against women's rights, and you're actually denying that it's even happening. Do you think anyone is buying this hooey you're spouting?
Well, he's three for three in this thread, in redefining of what rape, being pro-choice, and what Republican representatives are.
| 829 |
brownbagj Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:31:34pm |
Buck, are you basically saying that the act of rape itself is violent, no matter how the person who was raped was led into being raped? So, whether it was coercion, fraud, lies, drunkenness, duress or forced?
As long as any woman or person who in their clear mind with all facts would've said no but still had sex, that this would be rape and therefore a violent act?
Also, since those underage cannot give consent, even if they do, then by default it is violent?
| 830 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:31:43pm |
re: #827 publicityStunted
Holy crap.
I should know by now he never checks anything before claiming it to be true.
But that's an amazing thing to lie about.
| 831 |
iossarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:32:11pm |
Buck, if an adult woman does not resist sex, and is not, in fact, aware that she has been raped until after the fact (as in Obdicut's example above of rape via fraud), in what sense has she been "forced" into having sex?
| 832 |
brownbagj Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:33:51pm |
Buck, just be clear. It is obvious that the audience does not understand your thoughts. If it were just one person, then it could be the fault of the listener. But since it is many, it is more likely the issue of the speaker.
Don't you want to be understood?
| 833 |
brownbagj Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:37:02pm |
How hard is it to say that some situations in which rape occurs are violent, and others are non-violent? Rape doesn't always include physical force, a gun or knife or brutality.
Are you just focusing on the sex part and claiming that since that person didn't really consent that therefore it is violent?
If so, that is NOT what this bill in including.
| 834 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:41:02pm |
re: #823 iossarian
Buck, I don't think you are knowingly doing this, but you should be aware that your language is almost indistinguishable from that of those people who believe, for example, that women who do not resist physically have not "really" been raped.
I do not see how that can be true.
I do not see how I could be more clear that my position is exactly the opposite.
How much more clear can the sentence "If there is no consent, then the sex is forced. Rape means lack of consent"?
| 835 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:42:37pm |
re: #834 Buck
Forcible rape, as defined in the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, is the carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will. Attempts or assaults to commit rape by force or threat of force are also included; however, statutory rape (without force) and other sex offenses are excluded.
| 836 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:44:05pm |
re: #834 Buck
But if there is consent, from someone without the capacity to consent, or due to fraud-- as in my above example, what then?
Is it rape, or not?
| 837 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:44:43pm |
re: #827 publicityStunted
Yes, Obdicut is using the legally recognized definition and you aren't. Since you've mentioned the FBI numerous times:
So the GOP, by attempting to use the "forcible rape" language, would have disallowed rapes considered by the FBI to be "without force".
Do I have to carry the whole discussion into every post? Did you forget that this is supposed to be about A BILL THAT IS ABOUT WHEN STATE FUNDS ARE USED FOR ABORTION. "carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will." Of course attempted rape would not count. You do not need an abortion for attempted rape or many "other sexual assaults".
| 838 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:47:43pm |
re: #837 Buck
Do I have to carry the whole discussion into every post?
Oh you poor martyr.
Why are you ignoring that you were supposedly using the FBI's definition-- and that turns out to be a lie?
A) The FBI includes attempted rape in its definition of forcible rape.
B) It does not include non-violent statutory rape.
| 839 |
brownbagj Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:48:30pm |
re: #834 Buck
So, you believe then that even if the person were not forced physically or verbally, that the act itself is violent and therefore you feel all rape is violent?
Is that what you are trying to say?
| 840 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:49:33pm |
re: #829 brownbagj
Buck, are you basically saying that the act of rape itself is violent, no matter how the person who was raped was led into being raped? So, whether it was coercion, fraud, lies, drunkenness, duress or forced?
As long as any woman or person who in their clear mind with all facts would've said no but still had sex, that this would be rape and therefore a violent act?
Also, since those underage cannot give consent, even if they do, then by default it is violent?
It is forced... yes, that works for me. Change violent into forced a few times.... but yes.
And I would like to add that as it relates to a bill that is defining when the state will pay for an abortion. So for the purpose of my discussion it only applies to females. Not "any woman or person".
| 841 |
iossarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:50:36pm |
re: #834 Buck
I do not see how that can be true.
I do not see how I could be more clear that my position is exactly the opposite.
How much more clear can the sentence "If there is no consent, then the sex is forced. Rape means lack of consent"?
I'm not accusing you of taking that position. I'm pointing out that your language is virtually indistinguishable from those people who do.
As others have said upthread, if you can't explain your position without people interpreting it in this way, you might want to rethink your position, or at least come up with a much, much clearer way of explaining it.
The fact is, in the English language, "forced" means something. Most people agree on that meaning, which is something along the lines of the FBI definition quoted above. The use or threat of physical or other violence against the person, or against a third party. Or abduction, or the threat of kidnapping.
Meanwhile, there are acts that are legally classified as rape, in which no act occurs that falls under this more or less standard definition of "forced".
For some reason, you want to redefine the word "forced" so that it includes all currently defined rapes. I can't think what that reason could be. It doesn't make sense from a language point of view (there's no point in redefining "forced" in this way, it doesn't add anything useful to our use of English).
A cynic would say that you have been forced* into this position by the GOP's shameful attempts to delegitimize some forms of rape.
* Irony.
| 842 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:51:49pm |
re: #840 Buck
Buck, when you answer the question:
So, whether it was coercion, fraud, lies, drunkenness, duress or forced?
With "If it was forced, yes",
That makes it seem as though you're saying "only if it was forced, and not the other categories listed."
| 843 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:51:51pm |
re: #838 Obdicut
Oh you poor martyr.
Why are you ignoring that you were supposedly using the FBI's definition-- and that turns out to be a lie?
A) The FBI includes attempted rape in its definition of forcible rape.
B) It does not include non-violent statutory rape.
They got the word forcible from the FBI definition, and therefore were NOT trying to redefine the word rape.
| 844 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:53:16pm |
re: #842 Obdicut
Buck, when you answer the question:
With "If it was forced, yes",
That makes it seem as though you're saying "only if it was forced, and not the other categories listed."
exactly the opposite is true, and you know it.
| 845 |
Varek Raith Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:53:37pm |
re: #843 Buck
Greetgings, GOP Talking Point Bot.
| 846 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:53:46pm |
re: #843 Buck
They got the word forcible from the FBI definition, and therefore were NOT trying to redefine the word rape.
Again, the FBI definition:
Forcible rape, as defined in the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, is the carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will. Attempts or assaults to commit rape by force or threat of force are also included; however, statutory rape (without force) and other sex offenses are excluded.
| 847 |
iossarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:56:10pm |
re: #844 Buck
exactly the opposite is true, and you know it.
No, Buck. We don't "know it". For example, it's extremely unclear whether you believe that a woman tricked into having sex has actually been raped, because you are unwilling to answer that question, other than by redefining the word "forced" to include all legally-defined rape, which is a circular argument, and which no-one else seems to think is a reasonable use of the word "forced".
Language is a shared commodity - you can't just go around redefining words to suit your argument (well, you can, but it doesn't make understanding your argument any easier).
Why not stick to more-or-less agreed-upon definitions of words?
| 848 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:56:18pm |
re: #844 Buck
exactly the opposite is true, and you know it.
Then why can't you say it, Buck?
The only reason I can possibly imagine for you to keep shoehoring 'forced' into the conversation, even in circumstances where there is clearly no force-- like sex by fraud-- is your need to defend the GOP.
You can't explain how sex by fraud involves force, and yet you insist that it does.
Can you explain how sex by fraud-- as in the example I gave above-- involves force?
| 849 |
iossarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:57:31pm |
re: #848 Obdicut
Then why can't you say it, Buck?
The only reason I can possibly imagine for you to keep shoehoring 'forced' into the conversation, even in circumstances where there is clearly no force-- like sex by fraud-- is your need to defend the GOP.
You can't explain how sex by fraud involves force, and yet you insist that it does.
Can you explain how sex by fraud-- as in the example I gave above-- involves force?
He'll just say "all rape is forced" again. It's another of his Clintonian episodes.
| 850 |
BongCrodny Fri, Jun 10, 2011 1:57:50pm |
re: #827 publicityStunted
Yes, Obdicut is using the legally recognized definition and you aren't. Since you've mentioned the FBI numerous times:
So the GOP, by attempting to use the "forcible rape" language, would have disallowed rapes considered by the FBI to be "without force".
I wonder if, say, something like date rape could fall under that scenario.
The argument could be that if the victim is unconscious, the rape wasn't "violent" or "forced." If rape is defined only as violent or forced, no rape could have taken place.
Count me as supporting inclusion of "without force" language.
| 851 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 2:01:15pm |
re: #842 Obdicut
I would like to point out that again, Obdicut has places words in quotes to make it seem like I said something I didn't.
Buck, when you answer the question:
With "If it was forced, yes",
I never answered any question with "If it was forced, yes".
I think that is a lie, and is purposely done to make it seem like I am saying something I am not.
"It was forced" is not the same as "If it was forced".
In the first case I am saying it was forced. Clearly and unanimously. In the second case it is being made to look like I said that force is a condition that must be met.
Obdicut does this on purpose, and hopes not to be challenged.
| 852 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 2:04:01pm |
re: #851 Buck
Wow, you really are being clintonian. Changing the tense on that word does not, actually, change the meaning of the sentence in the least.
Let me demonstrate
Buck, when you answer the question:
So, whether it was coercion, fraud, lies, drunkenness, duress or forced?
With "If it is forced, yes",
That makes it seem as though you're saying "only if it is forced, and not the other categories listed."
The only thing I did was correct your tense usage, which was grammatically incorrect.
Feel free to challenge me all you like, Buck.
| 853 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 2:05:49pm |
re: #850 BongCrodny
I wonder if, say, something like date rape could fall under that scenario.
The argument could be that if the victim is unconscious, the rape wasn't "violent" or "forced." If rape is defined only as violent or forced, no rape could have taken place.
Count me as supporting inclusion of "without force" language.
So your position is that a man putting his penis into a woman's vagina without her consent is not an act of force. It is not an act of violence.
Well, my position is otherwise.
| 854 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 2:07:14pm |
re: #852 Obdicut
The only thing I did was correct your tense usage, which was grammatically incorrect.
No you changed the meaning of what I said. I explained that very clearly.
| 855 |
iossarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 2:10:39pm |
Buck, we're now in another example of why it's hard to understand your position, and easy to misconstrue it as being the "it's only rape if the woman resists" bullshit (again, I'm not saying this is your position, only that your statements are hard to distinguish from it).
BrownBagJ asked whether you thought that rape was forced in all cases:
So, whether it was coercion, fraud, lies, drunkenness, duress or forced?
And you said:
It is forced... yes, that works for me. Change violent into forced a few times... but yes.
The question is, why change the meaning of words? BrownBagJ's list has different words: coercion, fraud, lies, drunkenness, duress, forced. We could add the category of major/minor intercourse (18 year old boyfriend, 16 year old girlfriend). These words have different meanings (and note that "forced" is one of them). Yet, for some reason, you want to redefine "forced" to include all those other terms as well.
Why do you want to redefine the word in that way? What purpose does it serve?
Unfortunately, unless you can come up with a credible reason, it looks to the outsider as if you are trying to shift the definition the other way, and restrict rape to those cases where the common definition of "forced" applies.
If you're going to continue to deny that interpretation (which I imagine you are), you really need to come up with a reason for redefining the word (or stop doing it, which would be preferable of course).
| 856 |
iossarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 2:13:01pm |
re: #853 Buck
So your position is that a man putting his penis into a woman's vagina without her consent is not an act of force. It is not an act of violence.
Well, my position is otherwise.
In the case of rape via fraud, or statutory rape, I think most English speakers would agree that there is not necessarily force or violence involved.
Buck, your definitions of these words are simply not the same as those of most English-speaking people, and at this point we have to think that you are only claiming to define the words in this way in order to avoid the reality that you support a party which is anti-choice and, even more fundamentally, anti-woman.
| 857 |
Varek Raith Fri, Jun 10, 2011 2:15:40pm |
re: #854 Buck
Just admit it. You're a hyper-partisan who will defend the GOP no matter what it does.
| 858 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 2:16:07pm |
re: #855 iossarian
To explain...
brown says: "Also, since those underage cannot give consent, even if they do, then by default it is violent?"
read that last part out loud.
then by default it is violent? Question mark?
Now my answer. "It is forced."
it is violent? It is forced.
Adding the word IF changes the meaning. Obdicut does this a lot. AND he put the whole changed quote in quotes. He didn't correct me by typing "(if) it is forced"....
| 859 |
iossarian Fri, Jun 10, 2011 2:19:50pm |
re: #858 Buck
To explain...
brown says: "Also, since those underage cannot give consent, even if they do, then by default it is violent?"
read that last part out loud.
then by default it is violent? Question mark?
Now my answer. "It is forced."
it is violent? It is forced.
Adding the word IF changes the meaning. Obdicut does this a lot. AND he put the whole changed quote in quotes. He didn't correct me by typing "(if) it is forced"...
Buck, I have to go. But I'm sorry to not have found out why it's necessary to twist the definition of "forced" from what most English speakers would assume, and indeed what the FBI use (and on which the GOP based their bill), into something quite different.
And I think that you should be very careful about espousing a view, in the future, which sounds essentially the same as "sexual acts are not rape unless there is physical force". Because there will be plenty of people who will not give you the benefit of the doubt on this.
| 860 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 2:24:33pm |
re: #855 iossarian
Is that really an accurate quote you do of BrownBagJ?
Did you leave out the few sentences after those words, and therefore miss the actual sentence I was answering?
| 861 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 2:26:01pm |
re: #857 Varek Raith
Just admit it. You're a hyper-partisan who will defend the GOP no matter what it does.
Idiot. I was very clear that what you say is NOT true.
| 862 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 2:26:29pm |
re: #854 Buck
No you changed the meaning of what I said. I explained that very clearly.
No, you didn't. You asserted it. You explained nothing.
Just as you assert that all rape is by definition violent and forceful, yet you can't explain why you think that of rape by fraud, which isn't violent or forceful or involving duress in any way.
| 863 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 2:33:08pm |
re: #862 Obdicut
No, you didn't. You asserted it. You explained nothing.
I explained:
"It was forced" is not the same as "If it was forced".
In the first case I am saying it was forced. Clearly and unanimously. In the second case it is being made to look like I said that force is a condition that must be met.
You are caught. You placed words in quotes that I didn't say. You have done this before. You purposely changed the meaning of what I really did say.
You also changed what question I actually answered.
I was actually answering "Also, since those underage cannot give consent, even if they do, then by default it is violent?" with the words "It is forced... yes".
You lied when you tried to make it seem like I said something I didn't, and you were misleading when you pretended that I answered a different question with that first lie.
| 864 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 2:33:16pm |
re: #860 Buck
Oh, sorry, I realized I inserted the 'if'.
However, the same problem remains. You're answering a series with an answer that contains only one of those series.
All you're doing is, again, asserting that it's forced, even when it's not-- even when the FBI acknowledges that it's not.
To be clear, in this case you're actually disagreeing with the FBI definition of forcible rape, right?
| 865 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 2:37:18pm |
re: #863 Buck
You are caught. You placed words in quotes that I didn't say. You have done this before. You purposely changed the meaning of what I really did say.
Nah, it was actually accidental, because your phraseology is so bizarre-- so forced-- that it's difficult to read.
I was actually answering "Also, since those underage cannot give consent, even if they do, then by default it is violent?" with the words "It is forced... yes".
How is it forced?
That is the question you can't, or won't, answer.
Let me give you a scenario:
Two people meet and agree to have sex with each other. Neither is under the influence of any drugs or other mood-altering substances. The agreement was made without any threats of force, any bribery, or anything of the like.
Do you think that scenario can occur?
| 866 |
BongCrodny Fri, Jun 10, 2011 2:37:59pm |
re: #853 Buck
So your position is that a man putting his penis into a woman's vagina without her consent is not an act of force. It is not an act of violence.
Well, my position is otherwise.
Yeah, that's exactly what I meant, Buck.
Because I can imagine a scenario where something like that could happen, that must be my position on the subject.
Pretty funny coming from a guy whose very next post included "No you changed the meaning of what I said."
| 867 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 2:39:57pm |
re: #864 Obdicut
except that I wasn't "answering a series with an answer that contains only one of those series." That was misleading of you to say in your first post about it, and now it is a lie, because I had already pointed it out in my #858.
Let's both take a time out. You are seriously falling a part.
Ding goes the bell. Go to your corner, and sit down for a bit.
| 868 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 2:40:03pm |
re: #853 Buck
So your position is that a man putting his penis into a woman's vagina without her consent is not an act of force.
What about if he does it with her consent, because he's deceived her?
What if he does it with her consent, but she's underage?
| 869 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 2:43:52pm |
re: #867 Buck
Buck, you're not in charge of LGF. You don't get to say that we'll take a time out.
You were either answering the series, or you were dodging the question about the series because you can't answer it.
This was the series:
Buck, are you basically saying that the act of rape itself is violent, no matter how the person who was raped was led into being raped? So, whether it was coercion, fraud, lies, drunkenness, duress or forced?
Since you dodged that question, I made a mistake in interpreting your post. I fully acknowledge that I did so.
However, you still have not answered any question put to you in anything like a direct or satisfactory manner. It is not just I that thinks this way, Buck. You've got to realize this: you convince no one.
I don't think you even convince yourself.
You cannot answer why you consider rape that involves no violence or force to be violent and forceful.
And because of this, you give the impression-- which I don't believe is true-- that you don't actually believe rape by fraud is rape.
In order to correct this, you should finally, eventually, explain how rape without any force or violence or coercion is forceful, or violent.
Which is not, I'm afraid, possible.
| 870 |
Varek Raith Fri, Jun 10, 2011 2:47:25pm |
re: #867 Buck
Translation,
I'm getting my ass kicked. Please stop Obdicut.
| 871 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 2:52:20pm |
re: #870 Varek Raith
He is entirely right that I added the word 'if' to his post. He's wrong, of course, that I did it in some way to deceive other people as to what he's saying.
The reason Buck is misunderstood, when he's misunderstood, is because he redefines words, answers 1/10th of questions-- when he's answering them at all-- and gives sarcastic replies like:
Right... no forcing foreign objects into women, only medical instruments should be used in the medical procedure known as abortion.
Which is exactly what someone would say if they didn't consider the insertion of a vaginal wand-- a medical instrument-- into a woman for the sole purpose of showing her a picture of the embryo, regardless of her or her doctor's wishes, to be rape, or even a big deal.
| 872 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 2:52:23pm |
Once again I don't want to go off planet as part of this discussion. Rape by fraud? That is what you want to hang onto? That the bill that listed forcible rape as a condition where the state would pay for the abortion would have excluded rape by fraud? You think that they added that word in order to exclude all the rape by fraud cases?
Well I have news for you, even if they leave off the word forcible rape by fraud would be a grey area.
Certainly this would not be the first instance where sex obtained through fraud is not a crime.
My personal feeling? Yes I would be rape. However the law (with or without the word forcible) is divided.
| 873 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 2:54:07pm |
re: #870 Varek Raith
Translation,
I'm getting my ass kicked. Please stop Obdicut.
You misinterpret my mercy. I point out that he lies and mislead. I showed that he did it purposely and with malice and forethought.
That isn't me getting my ass kicked, it is Obdicut again being a liar and misleading people.
| 875 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:03:11pm |
re: #874 Varek Raith
Heh.
You're amusing.
Well, it is amusing to me that you believe a word Obdicut says...
Ah, not amused really... I am saddened by it. He is a bully. He does this sort of thing almost everyday. Not always to me, mind you. But often.
| 876 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:05:43pm |
re: #872 Buck
Once again I don't want to go off planet as part of this discussion. Rape by fraud? That is what you want to hang onto? That the bill that listed forcible rape as a condition where the state would pay for the abortion would have excluded rape by fraud? You think that they added that word in order to exclude all the rape by fraud cases?
No, I think they added it to exclude all non-forcible rapes, since I don't think they share your definition of anything currently called 'rape' as forcible. Since nobody but you actually thinks that.
My personal feeling? Yes I would be rape. However the law (with or without the word forcible) is divided.
I'm not asking about the law.
I'm glad you've conceded, however, that there are forms of rape that don't involve force or violence.
Thank you, that took awhile, but I'm glad you got there in the end.
| 877 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:06:21pm |
re: #875 Buck
Buck, you have repeatedly implied that i'm a pedophile or covering for pedophiles.
| 878 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:15:44pm |
re: #877 Obdicut
Buck, you have repeatedly implied that i'm a pedophile or covering for pedophiles.
Again, you slander me sir,
I did ask you if you realized that you were not taking into account the risk of a pedophile. However I NEVER... NEVER NEVER called you a pedophile.
Implied is all in your head, and I can't do anything about that.
Frankly you are getting more and more weird about this. Almost like you are defending the use of a camera phone in a locker room where there might be children in various states of undress. Is that intentional?
I am pointing out that you as you keep saying there is no problem with camera phones in a locker room, you seem oblivious to the risk that a pedophile might use a camera phone in a locker room. "Almost like you are defending the use" is not saying that YOU would use it.
This is the second time you accused me of implying something like this about you. I have said multiple times to you that I didn't say anything of the sort.
| 879 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:17:20pm |
re: #876 Obdicut
I'm not asking about the law.
Ya, that seems to be the problem, because as I explained many times, I am.
| 880 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:18:25pm |
re: #878 Buck
Buck, you were. I saw it-- so did Charles. That wasn't the only time you did it, either.
Here is the post:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Where you continually try to claim that I"m saying a child can consent to have sex with an adult. You're all 'shocked' by it.
| 881 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:20:22pm |
re: #879 Buck
Ya, that seems to be the problem, because as I explained many times, I am.
A) Again, you don't get to control the conversation. People may ask you questions you find hard to answer. That's okay. That's how a conversation works. You don't get to just say "That's not on topic'. You can-- and do-- dodge the question.
B) You did, however, comment on the vaginal wand issue. You did talk about it. So I've got no clue why you're claiming you didn't.
C) In that very last post, you were talking about your personal feelings vs. the law. So obviously, you're not just talking about the law, since you just talked about how you, personally, viewed rape.
| 882 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:20:41pm |
re: #880 Obdicut
Buck, you were. I saw it-- so did Charles. That wasn't the only time you did it, either.
Here is the post:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Where you continually try to claim that I"m saying a child can consent to have sex with an adult. You're all 'shocked' by it.
I only repeated back what you wrote. I didn't change anything. Yes, I was shocked both by your position and the support you got.
| 884 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:39:48pm |
Look, you made these statements, and they got updings.
They shocked me, but I guess I am easily shocked.
I have been clear that I do not think children can consent to sex with an adult, and you have said otherwise over and over and over.
--------------------------------------------
Buck, do you understand that statutory rape includes consensual sex between the not-of-age person and the older person?
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Statutory rape is any sex between a minor and an adult, even when the minor is consenting. This is because we don't believe children have the capacity to truly give consent.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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No, it's not. There is nothing in the law saying that it's violent. And the law says that a child cannot lawfully consent. It doesn't mean children don't consent. It means that in the eye of the law, just as consent granted by an impaired individual, it does not stand.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
-----------------------------------------------------
Again, in the thread the crowd agrees with your position.
That doesn't mean I agree with it. I have been consistent on this, and no I will not change my mind.
| 885 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:41:10pm |
I am leaving now. I am picking up KFC for dinner on my way home.
I have said everything I can about this.
| 886 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:46:28pm |
re: #884 Buck
And you're leaving out all context.
A child can consent to have sex with an adult-- and that consent is meaningless, in every way. Ethically, legally, and in every other fashion, that consent has no value, no merit, no substance.
However, the child still consented. It happened. That is why we need strong laws about statutory rape that don't touch on issues of consent-- because the consent is immaterial.
So, no, I'm not saying that a child can consent to sex, simply-- I'm saying that a child can consent to sex BUT all the other stuff I said above.
Implying otherwise about me is as much a lie, as stupid, and as fatuous as claiming someone who said "You can kill someone in self defense" was just saying "You can kill someone".
I cannot tell whether you're willfully misunderstanding or you have a sort of blind spot when it comes to attempting to smear me. It doesn't matter.
Either way, you should stop attempting to imply that I'm a pedophile. It's really shitty of you.
| 887 |
BongCrodny Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:48:23pm |
| 888 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:14:07pm |
re: #886 Obdicut
You brought it up, I didn't.
I think I included a lot of context. I included a lot of your BUT "in the eye of the law" stuff. I included links, so that anyone can read the full statement.
I still disagree, and I still am shocked.
That does not mean I am attempting to imply anything of the sort about you. You cannot quote anywhere that I "attempted to imply" anything.
Saying otherwise about me is a lie. You should stop saying that I am "attempting to imply" that about you. It's really shitty of you.
| 889 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:25:09pm |
re: #888 Buck
You brought it up, I didn't.
You quoted the thread, BUck.
I still disagree, and I still am shocked.
what are you shocked by, exactly? What is the actual thing that shocks you, since I've said that consent doesn't matter in any ethical, legal, or any other fashion? What's the shocking bit?
What are you actually disagreeing with?
And you realize you are accusing me of lying about my own experience of being raped, right?
| 890 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:40:05pm |
re: #889 Obdicut
You quoted the thread, BUck.
Actually, you in your #877 brought it up. I only linked to the thread to defend myself against your slander. If you think you can find a post in this thread where I bring this subject up, or link to that thread with a lower number please bring it to my attention.
what are you shocked by, exactly? What is the actual thing that shocks you, since I've said that consent doesn't matter in any ethical, legal, or any other fashion? What's the shocking bit?
What are you actually disagreeing with?
Yes you are very clear when you say that this consent doesn't matter, but you do continue to insist that it takes place.
I am shocked by that. Although I hold out hope that it is just a different understanding of what consent means.
And you realize you are accusing me of lying about my own experience of being raped, right?
Not at all. You keep telling me what I am doing, but it is not backed up in anyway. You might think I am. I cannot do anything about what you might think is going on.
However I can tell you that I am NOT "attempting to imply" that you are a pedophile, or that you are lying about your own experience with childhood rape.
I am not. Period.
| 891 |
Obdicut Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:23:21pm |
re: #890 Buck
Yes you are very clear when you say that this consent doesn't matter, but you do continue to insist that it takes place.
Again, what is shocking about that? It takes place. It's factual that it happens.
The laws on statutory rape say that consent doesn't matter. I'm saying the same as them.
Somehow, this is shocking to you. Or you're pretending it, in your endless campaign to attack anything you perceive as on the left and defend anything you see as on the right.
However I can tell you that I am NOT "attempting to imply" that you are a pedophile, or that you are lying about your own experience with childhood rape.
I consented to sex as a child. That doesn't matter, of course, because the bastard who raped me is still at fault, but I consented. I never objected.
You're denying this happened.
Think about what you're doing, Buck, and why you're doing it.
It's deeply, deeply strange.
| 892 |
brownbagj Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:38:36pm |
Buck, I am hoping your shock is a misunderstanding of what Obdicut means by consent.
He means a child or underage person can say yes, but it is meaningless in every conceivable way. Many times, the pedophiles themselves will say the underage person said yes as if that makes it right.
What Obdicut is PLAINLY saying is correct. Underage people can "consent" in the way they may agree to something, but due to their age, it is legally, ethically and morally wrong to accept that consent as legal or ethical or moral.
Very simply, Obdicut is right to state that. Totally right. Underage folks can "consent" but it is meaningless in the eyes of the law.
Technically, you could split hairs and say that underage folks then by default can't really consent, but then you would just be trying to be obtuse instead of understanding the larger point.
To try to make it seem that this is shocking is well, shocking. I don't understand it at all why you would think what Obdicut is saying is shocking. Underage people can sign contracts too, but that signature is not enforceable. Does that mean the ink of their signature disappears? Nope. Just that they do not have authority to make those decisions and any adult who tries to use that as an excuse in form is going to jail.
| 893 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:45:35pm |
re: #891 Obdicut
I am not doing anything.
You brought this up, you linked to the thread, and you have been accusing me of things I am not doing. You tell me what I am saying, even when I don't say it. You tell me what I should be thinking.
I don't know the details of your experience. I don't know who you are, or anything about you, except for what you decide to share.
You have lied about what I am saying, and you have been purposely misleading. Why did you start this in #877? To try and divert from the misquotes, lies, and misleading.
I can only talk about what I know, and what I see and read. Your past is not something I know anything about.
| 894 |
Buck Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:49:05pm |
re: #892 brownbagj
I don't know what to say to you. A child signing a contract is not the same as having sex with an adult.
| 895 |
brownbagj Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:52:16pm |
re: #894 Buck
It was an analogy.
Basically, in both instances a child can be agreeing to something which in fact they have no legal standing to agree to. Any adult that takes advantage of that is breaking the law.
Simple. Not equating either except that again, the underage person can consent, but the ADULT is the responsible party.
I could ask my three year old if he wanted a gun. He would say yes, not knowing what it really means. Get it?
Don't try to turn this into me something something grotesque.
| 896 |
brownbagj Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:53:15pm |
something something - the first was supposed to be be "saying."
| 897 |
brownbagj Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:55:34pm |
You know what, the more I read what you tried to do to me there, the more pissed off I get.
In no way did I equate the two. It was an analogy to point out that in the eyes of the law, consent by an underage person is not binding or legal.
You knew that. If this is how you converse with others, consider it my last with you.
| 898 |
jamesfirecat Sat, Jun 11, 2011 9:35:06am |
re: #715 Buck
That is not what I am saying at all. The Republican party does vote and decide on who it's leadership is. It does not make laws.
The modern American Republican Party has voted to elect some really sucky people to congress and other positions of legislative power where they have gone on to write and pass some really sucky laws Buck.
| 899 |
Buck Sat, Jun 11, 2011 11:56:08am |
re: #898 jamesfirecat
No, American citizen voters have voted to elect some really sucky people to congress and other positions of legislative power.
The Republican Party does not vote. It is an organization. not a person.
| 900 |
Buck Sat, Jun 11, 2011 1:42:23pm |
re: #892 brownbagj
Buck, I am hoping your shock is a misunderstanding of what Obdicut means by consent.
It might be that we are both using the same word, and it means something different to each of us.
For me, consent means gives permission. You might say that I am being "obtuse" or "splitting hairs" but I have two daughters. I know something about young children. I do not, for one second, believe that they can give p[permission for this. You and Obdicut might keep walking it back. But saying "gives consent, but it does not count" means to me "does not give consent"
Consent means something. It is not meaningless.
If the consent is meaningless, then why say it is consent?
There is a lot of discussion about rape and consent above. I ask that you read it.
Consent means something. It is not meaningless.
| 901 |
jamesfirecat Sat, Jun 11, 2011 1:45:16pm |
re: #899 Buck
No, American citizen voters have voted to elect some really sucky people to congress and other positions of legislative power.
The Republican Party does not vote. It is an organization. not a person.
The Registered members of the GOP who elected these people in primaries to run for those positions elected some really sucky candidates.
The American People don't vote in the GOP primaries, only members of the Republican party do.
Don't you agree?
| 902 |
Obdicut Sat, Jun 11, 2011 1:54:26pm |
re: #900 Buck
You, as usual, are using words in a way that only makes sense to you, because you need to in order for your twisted, arcane arguments defending conservatives and attacking liberals to make sense.
That has been clearly, clearly on display here-- the law clearly says that even when children give consent, that consent isn't valid. You say that, somehow, that consent doesn't exist. Not that it doesn't matter, or should be disregarded, or that it's ethically obvious we should discard that consent, but that it simply doesn't happen.
That's a fantasy.
You argue that all rape is forced and violent, even when you acknowledge there's such thing as rape by fraud, which involves no force, no violence.
You claim that you want to stick to the topic, and you bring up past threads, make sarcastic, shitty sideswipe comments like your bullshit about only medical equipment being used in an abortion.
You never are able to actually explain yourself.
You always fall back into redefining words so that you're not wrong, dodging questions, and implying shitty things about those you're talking with.
And yet you call me a bully.
Think about your own behavior, Buck.
| 903 |
Buck Sat, Jun 11, 2011 2:52:34pm |
re: #901 jamesfirecat
The Registered members of the GOP who elected these people in primaries to run for those positions elected some really sucky candidates.
The American People don't vote in the GOP primaries, only members of the Republican party do.
Don't you agree?
You were specific. You said "Congress" and "positions of legislative power".
Don't you agree that a person who wins a "Primary" does not go to "Congress" and "positions of legislative power" without being elected by American citizen voters?
See, the idea is for you to understand the VOTERS are responsible for who is elected. Not the republican party, or even just republicans. Unless the USA has become a totalitarian state, and only the republicans who win the republican primaries are on the ballot.
Now you might think the voters are stupid, and only people YOU agree with should be in "Congress" and "positions of legislative power". However that is not the system.
And for that I am thankful.
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Buck Sat, Jun 11, 2011 3:03:57pm |
re: #902 Obdicut
One last attempt. Then I will never discuss this subject here again.
A child is told that they can have the ice cream if they let the rapist do this one thing. The child says yes. The rapist does this terrible thing and gets caught.
The rapist says: "But she consented. She said yes."
You say "True, but in the eyes of the law it does not stand."
I say "No, a child cannot give their consent".
This whole argument is really that simple for me.
Not objecting is not consent.
You can have the last word. If you bring this up again with me, I will simply reply with a link to this post. AND you brought this up. You linked to the thread.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Jun 11, 2011 3:08:16pm |
re: #903 Buck
You were specific. You said "Congress" and "positions of legislative power".
Don't you agree that a person who wins a "Primary" does not go to "Congress" and "positions of legislative power" without being elected by American citizen voters?
See, the idea is for you to understand the VOTERS are responsible for who is elected. Not the republican party, or even just republicans. Unless the USA has become a totalitarian state, and only the republicans who win the republican primaries are on the ballot.
Now you might think the voters are stupid, and only people YOU agree with should be in "Congress" and "positions of legislative power". However that is not the system.
And for that I am thankful.
Your right everything bending to my will its not the System the country runs on... however you're mistaken if you think that there is something wrong or unamerican about thinking that Only People I agree with should be in congress or positions of legislative power.
Its an American Tradition that I take part in every single time I vote, every time I donate money to a candidate, or in some other way campaign for the people I want to be in elected.
There's only something wrong with it when I go beyond what is legal to support my candidate/side.
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Buck Sat, Jun 11, 2011 3:17:57pm |
re: #905 jamesfirecat
something wrong or unamerican about thinking that Only People I agree with should be in congress or positions of legislative power.
Well we disagree, again.
I would not want that. It is wrong because it would be dangerous. The system only works if there is an active and strong opposition. Imagine a debate where both side are arguing the same side of the same resolution. Not only boring, but in the case of lawmakers, it would be dangerous. Sometimes the opposition has to take the "other" side just to make sure the law making power is not absolute.
| 907 |
jamesfirecat Sat, Jun 11, 2011 3:23:59pm |
re: #906 Buck
Well we disagree, again.
I would not want that. It is wrong because it would be dangerous. The system only works if there is an active and strong opposition. Imagine a debate where both side are arguing the same side of the same resolution. Not only boring, but in the case of lawmakers, it would be dangerous. Sometimes the opposition has to take the "other" side just to make sure the law making power is not absolute.
I agree with you Buck actually. Well I agree with you with two additions, the the opposition needs to be needs to be strong, active... but it also needs to be and sane & logical.
Without those things politics breaks down into being pointlessly contrarian which I do think is a major issue with the modern American Political system.
This posts sums up much of my feelings about the current GOP
[Link: kfmonkey.blogspot.com...]
| 908 |
brownbagj Sat, Jun 11, 2011 3:52:12pm |
re: #900 Buck
I am not walking a damn thing back you POS. I have young kids too. You are not the only father who loves his kids.
Again, I am talking from the POV of the law. Kids can say the word yes and it means nothing, just because you want to split hairs does not mean anything other than you are a POS which is clearly on display.
Do not EVER insinuate that I would not protect my kids or any other child. You are truly a POS.
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Buck Sun, Jun 12, 2011 2:24:46pm |
re: #908 brownbagj
Do not EVER insinuate that I would not protect my kids or any other child. You are truly a POS.
I didn't do any such thing. You are flying off the handle. I don't know what is going on in your mind. You have been calling me names and saying I am "obtuse" and "splitting hairs".
I understand this subject is a difficult one, but you are seriously going off the deep end over nothing.
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brownbagj Sun, Jun 12, 2011 3:33:09pm |
re: #909 Buck
Splitting hairs is not calling names....saying you are being obtuse is an observation as to how this language or semantic disagreement is ridiculous.
But, you talked about walking about and having two daughters - we all know what you were insinuating.
Kiss my ass.
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Buck Sun, Jun 12, 2011 4:12:42pm |
re: #910 brownbagj
But, you talked about walking about and having two daughters - we all know what you were insinuating.
It does not mean I was insinuating anything. You are way to sensitive.
Walking back a position is for me stating something and then adding a explanation that was not normally understood. Consent, but "meaningless in every conceivable way".
And me telling you that I had two daughters is simply to hopefully explain my position. It is telling you about me.
Now you want to think that I am saying something about you? Well that is in your mind.
I can only tell you that I didn't say or insinuate anything of the sort.
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Buck Sun, Jun 12, 2011 4:24:00pm |
re: #910 brownbagj
Splitting hairs is not calling names...saying you are being obtuse is an observation as to how this language or semantic disagreement is ridiculous.
I said clearly "calling me names and saying I am 'obtuse' and 'splitting hairs'."
In other words doing both.
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