Rick Perry’s ‘Prayer Rally’ - Sponsored by Insane, Fanatical Bigots

Separation of church and state? What’s that?
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The nearly unbelievable Republican craziness story of the day is creationist Texas Governor Rick Perry’s bizarre upcoming day of fasting and “prayer rally,” intended to evoke God’s intervention to save America. Here’s the website for this blatantly theocratic event: The Response: A call to prayer for a nation in crisis.

What makes this so unbelievably crazy? In addition to Rick Perry’s endorsement, the event is funded and co-sponsored by none other than the American Family Association, one of the most bigoted and deranged religious right organizations in the country, whose main spokesman, Bryan Fischer, is notorious for his insane rants — for example, the rant he issued yesterday, claiming that the Nazi Party was founded by homosexuals in a Munich gay bar! Yes, he really did say this.

Youtube Video

And it gets worse — much worse. Here’s a list of the other participants in this crazed “prayer rally,” a jaw-dropping who’s who of religious fanatics and extremists: Fact Sheet: Gov. Rick Perry’s Extremist Allies.

And note that Rick Perry is said to be considering a run for the Presidential nomination.

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337 comments
1 calochortus  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:00:06pm

One hardly knows where to begin in this sea of idiocy.

2 Flounder  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:00:19pm

Yeah, I believe it was at the Blue Lagoon

3 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:00:29pm

this man belongs in jail

4 aagcobb  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:01:05pm

Perry 2012, because look at what a fine job the last President from Texas did./

5 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:02:48pm

Bryan Fischer: Using the Nazis to out-nazi the Nazis.

6 Max  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:03:41pm

Sounds like Bryan Fischer has read Scott "Exterminate the gays in Uganda" Lively's book, The Pink Swastika.

7 calochortus  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:05:07pm

What I don't understand is that I believe these folks believe in the literal truth of the Bible, and they've been busily praying for the country to return to its former conservative greatness. Why hasn't it happened? The gospel of John specifically promises that what is asked for in Jesus' name will be given. How do they explain this lapse?

8 RanchTooth  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:06:01pm

re: #7 calochortus

I'm pretty sure they have to ask Jebus too.

9 freetoken  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:07:26pm

On a positive note, Expelled to auctioned off as part of a bankruptcy proceeding:

Ben Stein’s ‘Expelled’ To Be Auctioned as Premise Media Faces Bankruptcy

Ben Stein’s creationist propaganda film, Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed is facing auction after the film’s makers, Premise Media Holdings LP, filed for bankruptcy.

Expelled was Stein’s attempt to push ‘intelligent design’ into the mainstream, but it failed on just about every level.

The Anti-Defemation League condemned the film, which attempted to link evolution to the Holocaust. Academics and scientists, as well as film-makers and documentarians, heaped scorn on the movie. And critics panned the movie, Roger Ebert first among them.

The really pernicious thing about Stein’s propaganda film, however, is not that it pushed intelligent design and creationism, but that it attempted to convince Americans that we should teach these things in our public schools.

Americans have voted with their wallets, and now Expelled and Premise Media are feeling the pinch.

Should all such creationists effort come to such an end.

One wonders if AFA/Perry's political prayer rally might also face poorer than expected returns?

10 RanchTooth  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:07:48pm

I just like that Perry is throwing away his duties as governor and saying "Well, it's in God's hands now since I have no friggin' clue what to do next"

11 freetoken  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:08:07pm

re: #10 RanchTooth

Just like the half-governor?

12 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:09:09pm

i like how that fischer video had 666 views when i clicked on it

13 calochortus  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:09:49pm

re: #9 freetoken

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

14 Mark Winter  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:10:00pm

Ah that's interesting:

The National Socialist Party was founded in 1920 in the Munich Hofbräuhaus. If that's a gay bar then Mr. Fischer should rather be worried as probably a million of U.S. tourists alone visit this gigantic beer hall every year.

15 allegro  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:11:07pm

I do believe I will plan to be out of town on August 6. Austin seems like a nice place to be that day. :)

16 researchok  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:12:34pm

I have no issue with the prayer rally. I do have an issue with a prayer rally sponsored by a sitting governor.

There is a big difference between events like a non partisan, ecumenical prayer breakfast and very partisan and political event such as this.

17 dragonfire1981  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:12:46pm

Some of these people are so hate filled they'd make a Nazi say "DAMN..."

18 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:13:01pm

re: #3 SpaceJesus

fischer that is

19 elizajane  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:13:02pm

re: #11 freetoken

Just like the half-governor?

Perfect: yet another thing they have in common. When in doubt, secede. When in more doubt, hand the reins over to God. Sheesh.

Reposted with edits from the page thread:

Rick Perry? The same Rick Perry who chaired Al Gore's presidential campaign in Texas in 1988 (back when he was a Democrat) and who endorsed Rudy Giuliani for president in 2008 (back when he was a moderate)?

Rick Perry who signed an executive order in 2007 mandating that all teen-aged girls in Texas be vaccinated against HPV, making Texas the first state to mandate prevention of a sexually transmitted disease?

The Rick Perry who now wants gay sex to be criminalized, who supports teaching Intelligent Design in public schools, who dismisses AGW altogether, and who's as keen on secession as Todd Palin used to be?

The Rick Perry who was G.W. Bush's Lieutenant Gov., and who ran up one of the highest state debts in the union he now wants to leave?

This is not the resume of a potential Republican presidential candidate, much less a potential POTUS. Just because you're lugging an equal amount of baggage on both sides doesn't make you a heavyweight.

20 Turkey Jihad  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:13:10pm

Let me sum it up- Governor Perry, you're a fucking asshole.

21 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:13:59pm

i like how fischer has a german name. the nazi's were almost without exception of german decent.

no fischer no holocaust.

22 aagcobb  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:14:53pm

The Freepers are so crazy, they're saying Perry is a RINO.

23 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:14:59pm

The other mistake Fischer makes is naming Hitler as the founder of the Nazi Party. Interestingly, he was sent to infiltrate the new party. I believe Anton Drexler was the real founder of the Nazi Party. It's true that the early Nazi party and the SA especially had gay members but that doesn't justify discrimination against gays. Does the fact that the Nazis had straight Christians justify discrimination against them? Somehow, I think Mr. Fischer would disagree with that but because he's hellbent on blaming only gays for the Nazis, he doesn't realize how assine his argument is. The other thing that is worth noting is that the Nazis persecuted gays in and outside their party. Fischer is a revisionist of the worst kind. He's a fascist.

24 freetoken  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:15:00pm

re: #19 elizajane

Perry is the textbook opportunist.

25 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:15:51pm

That must be it - I'm afraid of God.

Twitter / @conservtivemom: Little Green Footballs is ...

Little Green Footballs is Afraid of GOD: Rick Perry's 'Prayer Rally' Sponsored by Insane, Fanatical Bigots [Link: bit.ly...] #lgf #haters

26 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:16:47pm

re: #23 HappyWarrior


The man says that the SA was almost without exception, gay.

The SA had millions of men. Only a couple of leaders were gay, so the exact opposite is true of the SA.

27 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:16:55pm

re: #22 aagcobb

The Freepers are so crazy, they're saying Perry is a RINO.

Who pray tell is a real conservative to them? Sarah "my state actually pays people to live there" Palin. The idea of a true conservative that many right wing diehards have is pure fantasy. It's as stupid as my fellow liberals who convinced themselves that there was a time when the party was perfectly liberal.

28 calochortus  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:19:05pm

re: #25 Charles

That must be it - I'm afraid of God.

Twitter / @conservtivemom: Little Green Footballs is ...

If you were afraid of God wouldn't you be supporting the rally? Or does God not support it either and you're just going along with Him because of your fear?

29 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:19:18pm

re: #26 SpaceJesus

The man says that the SA was almost without exception, gay.

The SA had millions of men. Only a couple of leaders were gay, so the exact opposite is true of the SA.

Yeah, I don't think the SA had any more gay members than average. The reason why they get lumped in with gays is because Rohm, their leader was. You know even if the majority of the early Nazis were gay, Fischer's still a hateful prick. He totally doesn't understand the lessons of the Holocaust and Third Reich at all if he thinks it's okay to scapegoat a group simply because it had members do less than savory things. Kinda like how the Nazis scapegoated Jews after WWI because some Jews were active in Germany's anti war movement even though there were many brave German Jewish soldiers and sailors in WWI.

30 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:19:34pm

Isn't it strange that craziness is pretty much shielded from media scrutiny as long as it hides behind a god?

Even the likes of Ed and Maddow seem to leave this aspect pretty much alone.

31 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:19:59pm

re: #9 freetoken

On a positive note, Expelled to auctioned off as part of a bankruptcy proceeding:

Ben Stein’s ‘Expelled’ To Be Auctioned as Premise Media Faces Bankruptcy

Should all such creationists effort come to such an end.

One wonders if AFA/Perry's political prayer rally might also face poorer than expected returns?

Adnan Oktar will probably buy it to spread Islamic creationism through Europe and Australia.

33 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:21:51pm

Fox Nation has a better headline: Cops Visit Home of Weiner Teen

34 blueraven  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:22:00pm

re: #19 elizajane

Perfect: yet another thing they have in common. When in doubt, secede. When in more doubt, hand the reins over to God. Sheesh.

Reposted with edits from the page thread:

Rick Perry? The same Rick Perry who chaired Al Gore's presidential campaign in Texas in 1988 (back when he was a Democrat) and who endorsed Rudy Giuliani for president in 2008 (back when he was a moderate)?

Rick Perry who signed an executive order in 2007 mandating that all teen-aged girls in Texas be vaccinated against HPV, making Texas the first state to mandate prevention of a sexually transmitted disease?

The Rick Perry who now wants gay sex to be criminalized, who supports teaching Intelligent Design in public schools, who dismisses AGW altogether, and who's as keen on secession as Todd Palin used to be?

The Rick Perry who was G.W. Bush's Lieutenant Gov., and who ran up one of the highest state debts in the union he now wants to leave?

This is not the resume of a potential Republican presidential candidate, much less a potential POTUS. Just because you're lugging an equal amount of baggage on both sides doesn't make you a heavyweight.

Fortunatley that part was overturned by the state legislature. The only drug manufacturer of the vaccine Gardasil, is Merck & Co.
Governor Perry’s connection with Gardasil’s manufacturer: His former chief of staff is a lobbyist for Merck & Co. in Texas. .

35 freetoken  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:23:26pm

re: #33 Killgore Trout

There will be no end of this, I'm afraid... headlines beg for creative attention.

All this kind of stuff I put on a 48 hour rule. I'm just too jaded by all the gossip-column nature of the biz.

36 freetoken  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:26:00pm

Here's the drought situation for TX:

[Link: www.drought.unl.edu...]

37 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:26:55pm

From the first link:

There is hope for America. It lies in heaven, and we will find it on our knees.

It lies in heaven, just as Perry lies on earth.

38 Kragar  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:28:04pm

re: #37 wrenchwench

From the first link:

It lies in heaven, just as Perry lies on earth.

The last thing America needs now is another politician on his knees.

39 allegro  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:29:44pm

re: #36 freetoken

Here's the drought situation for TX:

[Link: www.drought.unl.edu...]

It is really bad. Here in Houston we've had maybe 1/2" of rain in the past 5 months. This is Houston. Subtropics, yanno swamp land. I've been here for the most of 38 years and I have never seen anything like this. We had almost a week of over 100 degree heat in June! Freaking me out.

40 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:30:16pm

re: #9 freetoken

On a positive note, Expelled to auctioned off as part of a bankruptcy proceeding:

Ben Stein’s ‘Expelled’ To Be Auctioned as Premise Media Faces Bankruptcy

Should all such creationists effort come to such an end.

One wonders if AFA/Perry's political prayer rally might also face poorer than expected returns?

Guess somebody finally won all of his money... Hiyyyooooo!

41 Kragar  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:30:49pm

Cool, it's non-denominational, so I'm sure they won't mind a few prayers of "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!"

42 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:31:11pm

re: #34 blueraven

Fortunatley that part was overturned by the state legislature. The only drug manufacturer of the vaccine Gardasil, is Merck & Co.
Governor Perry’s connection with Gardasil’s manufacturer: His former chief of staff is a lobbyist for Merck & Co. in Texas. .

To experienced Perry watchers, it is transparently obvious that his religiosity, crazy secession talk, fed hating, and general loon-pandering are diversions from the mind-bogglingly intricate network of connections he enjoys with corporate lobbyists, and his use of his office to advance those interests. Even when Perry does something sane you need to look at who is profiting from it and what their connection is with him and his network.

43 Alexzander  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:31:29pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Exclusive: Weiner's Messages to Teenage Girl in Delaware Draw Police Attention

shiiiiiit. If this develops any further Weiner is obviously resigning.

44 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:32:35pm

re: #29 HappyWarrior

You know even if the majority of the early Nazis were gay,


They weren't (not implying you think that)


[Link: www.splcenter.org...]

45 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:32:56pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Exclusive: Weiner's Messages to Teenage Girl in Delaware Draw Police Attention

Why was Fox News there when the police arrived? Were the police called at their suggestion?

46 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:33:08pm

re: #41 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Cool, it's non-denominational, so I'm sure they won't mind a few prayers of "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!"

Then we can all rip our clothes off and utter screams of deepest pain and greatest ecstasy to Lord/Lady Slaanesh right?

47 calochortus  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:33:33pm

re: #39 allegro

Drought is no joke, and nothing I'd wish on anyone regardless of their politics, religion or anything else.

48 Kragar  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:33:48pm

re: #39 allegro

It is really bad. Here in Houston we've had maybe 1/2" of rain in the past 5 months. This is Houston. Subtropics, yanno swamp land. I've been here for the most of 38 years and I have never seen anything like this. We had almost a week of over 100 degree heat in June! Freaking me out.

Extreme temperature swings: midnight heat burst in Wichita; mercury tanks in Chicago, Minneapolis


between midnight and 1 a.m. Thursday morning, the temperature in Wichita, Kansas spiked from 81 and 101 degrees. Yes- the temperature ROSE 20 degrees in one hour in the middle of the night, passing the century mark.
49 Alexzander  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:34:17pm

re: #45 wrenchwench

Why was Fox News there when the police arrived? Were the police called at their suggestion?

Could have been tipped off by the same people who forwarding the info to the police.

50 Kragar  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:34:55pm

re: #46 jamesfirecat

Then we can all rip our clothes off and utter screams of deepest pain and greatest ecstasy to Lord/Lady Slaanesh right?

You Slaaneshi worshippers are weird.

Nurgle might actually be able to win the GOP nomination due to his stance on completely abolishing healthcare in the US.

51 blueraven  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:34:55pm

re: #42 Shiplord Kirel

To experienced Perry watchers, it is transparently obvious that his religiosity, crazy secession talk, fed hating, and general loon-pandering are diversions from the mind-bogglingly intricate network of connections he enjoys with corporate lobbyists, and his use of his office to advance those interests. Even when Perry does something sane you need to look at who is profiting from it and what their connection is with him and his network.

QFT!

52 calochortus  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:34:57pm

re: #48 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I heard that-it seems profoundly weird.

53 Alexzander  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:35:15pm

Between the drought, peak oil, nuclear ground melt, and all around craziness, we are totally on track for december 21, 2012.

54 allegro  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:35:46pm

re: #48 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

between midnight and 1 a.m. Thursday morning, the temperature in Wichita, Kansas spiked from 81 and 101 degrees. Yes- the temperature ROSE 20 degrees in one hour in the middle of the night, passing the century mark.

Wow, that is just plain creepy, like out of a bad SyFy movie creepy.

55 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:36:04pm

re: #49 Alexzander

Could have been tipped off by the same people who forwarding the info to the police.

If it wasn't the girl's family, it was harassment.

56 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:36:40pm

re: #41 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Cool, it's non-denominational, so I'm sure they won't mind a few prayers of "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!"

The Aggie cult will be well represented. Perry isn't just an Aggie, he is one of their high priests, a REDPOT.

I wonder if they will bring that dog they worship, Revile or whatever its name is? One of these, number 6 I believe, showed better than usual judgment by biting it Aggie handler during a football game a few years ago.

57 Kragar  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:36:45pm

re: #54 allegro

Wow, that is just plain creepy, like out of a bad SyFy movie creepy.

SCIENCE!

As rain fell into the dry air layer at around 2-3 thousand meters above the surface, it evaporated rapidly. The evaporating rain cooled the air very quickly, and this cool air was now much heavier than the air around it. This heavy, rain cooled air, fell rapidly to the surface, but heated due to compression at the standard adiabatic rate of 10 C per 1000 meters. If it fell 2500 meters, then the temperature of that rain cooled air would have risen 25C!

58 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:37:23pm

re: #53 Alexzander

Between the drought, peak oil, nuclear ground melt, and all around craziness, we are totally on track for december 21, 2012.

Take a deep breath.

59 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:40:22pm

re: #25 Charles

That must be it - I'm afraid of God.

Twitter / @conservtivemom: Little Green Footballs is ...

I'm not sure what terrifying demiurge people like Fischer worship, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to draw its attention. Apparently it's willing to red-shirt large tracts of the world to teach America to fly straight.

Disproportionate retribution and bad aim is a dangerous combination in an omnipotent being.

60 Alexzander  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:40:42pm

re: #58 wrenchwench

Take a deep breath.

That was tongue-in-cheek.

61 BongCrodny  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:40:49pm

re: #40 jamesfirecat

Guess somebody finally won all of his money... Hiyyyooo!


"Win Ben Stein's Bullshit!"

62 Alexzander  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:41:54pm

re: #55 wrenchwench

If it wasn't the girl's family, it was harassment.

Depends on the legitimacy of the evidence behinds the allegations. I haven't read up on it so I dont know. But its pretty obvious many on the right want to make this an issue for Weiner, whether it is one or not.

63 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:42:16pm

re: #60 Alexzander

That was tongue-in-cheek.

Is there a cure for that,, an operation perhaps,, some sort of procedure!?!?

//

64 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:42:22pm

re: #60 Alexzander

That was tongue-in-cheek.

Glad to hear it.

65 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:43:02pm

re: #64 wrenchwench

Glad to hear it.

You can hear his tongue in his cheek!?!

66 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:43:03pm

re: #45 wrenchwench

Why was Fox News there when the police arrived? Were the police called at their suggestion?

What? Fox News was already there when the police arrived? What's up with that?

67 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:44:35pm

re: #66 Charles

What? Fox News was already there when the police arrived? What's up with that?

Another Fox psychic.

68 elizajane  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:45:27pm

re: #66 Charles

What? Fox News was already there when the police arrived? What's up with that?


Two officers from the New Castle County Police Department arrived at the girl's home around 4:30 p.m. and asked to speak with the girl's mother about the daughter's contact with Weiner. Another officer appeared at the home a short time later. A FoxNews.com reporter was at the home when the police arrived.

The girl, whose name is being withheld because she is a minor [because Fox is so ethical!], told FoxNews.com, "I'm doing OK."

Read more: [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

69 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:45:37pm

re: #59 The Ghost of a Flea

I'm not sure what terrifying demiurge people like Fischer worship, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to draw its attention. Apparently it's willing to red-shirt large tracts of the world to teach America to fly straight.

Disproportionate retribution and bad aim is a dangerous combination in an omnipotent being.

If I believed in the same apparently psychotic deity these people do, I would be terrified. And I wouldn't have posted this.

70 blueraven  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:45:42pm

re: #39 allegro

It is really bad. Here in Houston we've had maybe 1/2" of rain in the past 5 months. This is Houston. Subtropics, yanno swamp land. I've been here for the most of 38 years and I have never seen anything like this. We had almost a week of over 100 degree heat in June! Freaking me out.

Same here in Austin. Lake Travis is drying up here. This is a control lake, part of the highland lakes system, that sends a lot of water down stream for the crops down south in the valley.

The heat is so oppressive, and the hot dry winds have been the worst that I remember. I have been her since 1978.

71 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:46:23pm

re: #66 Charles

What? Fox News was already there when the police arrived? What's up with that?

From Killgore's link:

Two officers from the New Castle County Police Department arrived at the girl's home around 4:30 p.m. and asked to speak with the girl's mother about the daughter's contact with Weiner. Another officer appeared at the home a short time later. A FoxNews.com reporter was at the home when the police arrived.

At least they admit it. I can't imagine what the local cops hope to accomplish.

72 Mickey Blumental  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:48:25pm

I love the inspiring music and the over-acting of "I want a job after I graduate" guy. He's really going for the... Is there an award for acting in religious propaganda videos? There should be one.

Seven hours of mass praying. Imagine what that amount of man hours can achieve in actual charity work. This is just such infantile nonsense.

73 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:49:30pm

Perry talks like a fanatic but he is really something worse, a shameless pandering opportunist and shill. Perry's support for creationism, for instance, is certain proof that creationists are willing to contribute more to his political campaigns than are the proponents of real science. If he changes his position on this, you will know as surely as the sun rising that some "evolutionist" has found a huge pot of filthy lucre and decided to kick into the Perry coffers. Perry could probably be persuaded to come out in favor of incest, cannibalism, or human sacrifice if they had a similarly powerful and generous lobby.

74 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:49:47pm

There are two possible reasons why a Fox News reporter would be at the house before the police. Either the girl's parents called them, or the police did. And I doubt it was the police.

75 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:50:03pm

re: #72 Udon


Seven hours of mass praying. Imagine what that amount of man hours can achieve in actual charity work. This is just such infantile nonsense.

Peanuts compared to what the stalker blogs put in.

76 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:51:06pm

re: #66 Charles

What? Fox News was already there when the police arrived? What's up with that?

Wow, I didn't catch that but she's right.....

Two officers from the New Castle County Police Department arrived at the girl's home around 4:30 p.m. and asked to speak with the girl's mother about the daughter's contact with Weiner. Another officer appeared at the home a short time later. A FoxNews.com reporter was at the home when the police arrived.
77 BishopX  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:51:37pm

re: #74 Charles

Did the parents call the police?

78 Alexzander  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:52:41pm

re: #74 Charles

There are two possible reasons why a Fox News reporter would be at the house before the police. Either the girl's parents called them, or the police did. And I doubt it was the police.

What about a third agent? Someone could have compiled all the "evidence" gathered by The Other Mccain and that other right with dude and forwarded it to the police. The police may have said "we will investigate or something along those lines." Then the third agent also forwarding this info to Fox for the scoop. Fox, hoping to get a good shot, allows a reporter to hang out in front of the house all day.

79 bratwurst  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:52:46pm

re: #37 wrenchwench

From the first link:

There is hope for America. It lies in heaven, and we will find it on our knees.
.


As the late, great Frank Zappa used to say:

"There's a big difference between kneeling down and bending over!"

80 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:53:05pm

re: #74 Charles

There are two possible reasons why a Fox News reporter would be at the house before the police. Either the girl's parents called them, or the police did. And I doubt it was the police.

They could have sources inside the police dept but this seems a little odd....

Sources close the student said the girl followed Weiner on Twitter after seeing him speak during a school trip to Washington on April 1. Weiner, after signing on to follow the girl's Twitter feed, direct-messaged the girl on April 13, the sources said, though it is not clear what other communication the two may have had between or after those dates.


They already have inside sources close to the student in question.

81 Mickey Blumental  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:53:42pm

Also, watching the propaganda video my gaydar bleeped a couple of times.

Just saying.

82 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:54:13pm

re: #79 bratwurst

As the late, great Frank Zappa used to say:

"There's a big difference between kneeling down and bending over!"

I had that very Frank Says pop up today!

83 calochortus  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:55:41pm

I don't think I can stand any more discussion of Weiner. Time to go get something constructive done.

84 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:56:06pm

re: #74 Charles

There are two possible reasons why a Fox News reporter would be at the house before the police. Either the girl's parents called them, or the police did. And I doubt it was the police.

I would call the police if I found some middle age creep was "following" my daughter. Presumably most people would.

(even if they would still vote for the guy//)

85 Obdicut  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:56:42pm

re: #80 Killgore Trout

To avoid sexting, it's always best to assume everyone you meet on the net is simultaneously a young girl and old man.

Seriously, if Weiner was a careless man-- and he appears to have been a careless man-- he could easily have had an explicit conversation with this 17 year old without realizing her age.

If he is a total scuzzball, he could have had an explicit conversation with her while knowing her age, or knowing she was in high school.

The last part I don't know how to judge. It's possible. It doesn't seem likely. Neither did the entire story at first, though.

86 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:57:15pm

re: #84 Naso Tang

I would call the police if I found some middle age creep was "following" my daughter. Presumably most people would.

(even if they would still vote for the guy//)

Would you then call Fox News, too? You know, out of concern for your daughter...

87 Obdicut  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:57:22pm

re: #84 Naso Tang

Really? I'd just talk to my (theoretical) daughter about it.

88 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:59:02pm

re: #69 Charles

If I believed in the same apparently psychotic deity these people do, I would be terrified. And I wouldn't have posted this.

Heh. I just showed a tell that I think pantheistically rather than monotheistically. Years of comicbooks about Hindu mythology will do that....

I'm waiting for Fischer to announce that God requires the hearts and blood of young warriors to feed on, so he can retain his strength as he fights the minions of Satan.

It's either that or he's lived his life mistaking a Conan novel for the New Testament.

89 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 3:59:39pm

IF Weiner was sending sexually explicit messages to an under-age girl, he has gone from pathetic laughingstock to common criminal, and the only house where he needs to be a member is the jailhouse. We shall see though.

90 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:00:22pm

re: #84 Naso Tang

I would call the police if I found some middle age creep was "following" my daughter. Presumably most people would.

(even if they would still vote for the guy//)

If I had to venture a guess I'd say Fox News (or a Breitbart wingnut) called the parents. They've been investigating all the chicks who've followed Weiner so it wouldn't surprise me if they initiated this.

91 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:01:00pm

re: #89 Shiplord Kirel

IF Weiner was sending sexually explicit messages to an under-age girl, he has gone from pathetic laughingstock to common criminal, and the only house where he needs to be a member is the jailhouse. We shall see though.

If he knew the girl was underage, and sent her explicit messages, he deserves everything that happens to him, I agree.

92 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:01:14pm

re: #89 Shiplord Kirel

IF Weiner was sending sexually explicit messages to an under-age girl, he has gone from pathetic laughingstock to common criminal, and the only house where he needs to be a member is the jailhouse. We shall see though.

And if he wasn't, he's just been introduced to the 21st Cent witchfinders.

93 Alexzander  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:03:20pm

re: #92 Decatur Deb

And if he wasn't, he's just been introduced to the 21st Cent witchfinders.

Well, it didn't help when he couldn't say with much certainty that the people he had been having explicit chats online with were all adults. When he said that during the press conference I wanted to slap my forehead in a classic "not this shit again" manoeuvre. Just like the "I cannot confirm or deny if that is my penis" response, this will only invite further scrutiny.

94 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:03:50pm

re: #92 Decatur Deb

And if he wasn't, he's just been introduced to the 21st Cent witchfinders.

Breitbart et al, would really be jumping the shark by trying to fabricate a criminal charge against Weiner. Given their track-record it wouldn't surprise me at all though.

95 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:04:29pm

re: #94 Shiplord Kirel

Breitbart et al, would really be jumping the shark by trying to fabricate a criminal charge against Weiner. Given their track-record it wouldn't surprise me at all though.

You don't need a charge, you need film at 11.

96 elizajane  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:07:09pm

re: #83 calochortus

I don't think I can stand any more discussion of Weiner. Time to go get something constructive done.

Couldn't agree more. Two weeks of atrocious puns is more than I can stand.

I seem to recall some French psychoanalyst -- Lacan, Kristeva? -- saying that all human language was just a fruitless attempt to substitute for the absence of the Phallus. I am coming to believe that this nonsense might actually be true.

97 Obdicut  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:07:33pm

re: #94 Shiplord Kirel

There's no criminal charge if you don't know the other person's age, or think that they're older than they are.

I think. I'm not an expert on internet sex laws.

98 Alexzander  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:08:03pm

re: #96 elizajane

I've been having similar reconsiderations...

99 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:08:48pm

Getting back to Goodhair, I really think this presidential bubble is for in-state consumption and is somehow designed to serve his corporate pandering interests here in Texas. The national Democrats would have his liver for dinner if he became a serious candidate, and he has to know it.

100 Alexzander  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:09:12pm

re: #97 Obdicut

I think there is some kind of "resonable responsibility" to determine age if things are sexual in nature.
In this case however, he met her through a highschool function soo...

101 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:10:19pm

re: #100 Alexzander

I think there is some kind of "resonable responsibility" to determine age if things are sexual in nature.
In this case however, he met her through a highschool function soo...

I'm just going to have my palm grafted onto my face. Either that or stop reading the news.

102 Obdicut  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:11:03pm

re: #100 Alexzander

I don't think there is-- that'd be immensely hard to actually work out. What's reasonable?

Anyway, it'll call come out in the wash.

103 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:12:16pm

re: #101 EmmmieG

I'm just going to have my palm grafted onto my face. Either that or stop reading the news.

There's a gentleman in this town who apparently has no functional neck muscles. He walks around holding his head up with his hand. I thought of him as soon as I read your comment.

104 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:12:43pm

re: #102 Obdicut

I don't think there is-- that'd be immensely hard to actually work out. What's reasonable?

Anyway, it'll call come out in the wash.

Guests arriving soon.

At any rate Rep Weiner is an idiot for putting himself, his family, and his supporters in this position. BBL.

105 BishopX  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:12:51pm

re: #99 Shiplord Kirel

Never doubt man's capacity for self delusion.

106 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:13:42pm

re: #102 Obdicut

I don't think there is-- that'd be immensely hard to actually work out. What's reasonable?

Anyway, it'll call come out in the wash.

I think the test is that he either knew or reasonably could have known that the girl was under-age. This places the bar pretty high for the prosecution, but the connection to a high school event would be pretty incriminating.

107 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:19:32pm

re: #106 Shiplord Kirel

I'm not going to even try to defend Weiner, but I do have one caveat -- I read a few of the right wing blogs pushing this story this morning, and not one of them had any real evidence that Weiner sent explicit messages to this girl.

He may have, but the fact that the police were called doesn't prove it one way or the other.

108 RadicalModerate  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:25:25pm

Ugh. what did we do to deserve the double whammy of an "Americans for Prosperity" sidebar Google ad and a middle-page ad for a Cafepress site that includes Confederate memorabilia alongside its "Conservative Gifts"?

109 Interesting Times  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:26:55pm

re: #108 RadicalModerate

Ugh. what did we do to deserve the double whammy of an "Americans for Prosperity" sidebar Google ad and a middle-page ad for a Cafepress site that includes Confederate memorabilia alongside its "Conservative Gifts"?

The post title keywords "insane", "fanatical", and "bigots"?

110 recusancy  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:29:49pm

As if WI Gov. Scott Walker wasn't already a big enough tool.

111 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:30:25pm

OT: To all here who think Chris Christie is the bright shining light for the future of a sane/moderate Republican party, or even the image of one of those rare creatures.... think again...

112 What, me worry?  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:33:17pm

re: #97 Obdicut

There's no criminal charge if you don't know the other person's age, or think that they're older than they are.

I think. I'm not an expert on internet sex laws.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse. A man can't say, "Well, she looked 25!"

In fact, at least one of the interns Mark Foley was IMing was 16, but the only IMs that they found were from an 18 year old and so they couldn't prosecute Foley.

[Link: www.fdle.state.fl.us...]

On September 30, 2006, former Governor Jeb Bush directed the Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE) to begin an inquiry into allegations of inappropriate communications between U.S. Representative Mark Foley and former House Pages. The purpose of the investigation was to determine if any such communications sent from or received in Florida violated state law. On October 1, 2006, then Speaker of the United States House of Representatives, Dennis Hastert, sent a letter to former Governor Bush requesting an investigation of Mr. Foley’s conduct with current and former House pages to determine what extent any of his actions violated Florida law.

This investigation has concluded and the findings were discussed with State Attorney William Eddins of the First Judicial Circuit. Eddins has confirmed there is insufficient evidence to pursue criminal charges.

“FDLE conducted as thorough and comprehensive investigation as possible considering Congress and Mr. Foley denied us access to critical data,” FDLE Commissioner Gerald Bailey said. “Should additional information arise which is pertinent to this case, we will ensure it is appropriately investigated.”

That's a little weird.

113 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:33:28pm

re: #86 wrenchwench

Would you then call Fox News, too? You know, out of concern for your daughter...

No, that part is a bit odd. Does Fox pay for this kind of scoop?

114 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:35:12pm

re: #87 Obdicut

Really? I'd just talk to my (theoretical) daughter about it.

Yeah, you talk theory, I talk reality.

115 Linden Arden  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:37:07pm

I live in Georgia where we just elected a Governor who had been previously charged with ethics violations by the House of Representatives (yes, he resigned his seat to run for Gov)....

Nathan Deal was bankrupt in 2009 but amazingly his financial condition has improved quite a bit since his election. He owes over $800,000 in failed real estate transactions.

116 3eff Jeff  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:38:36pm

re: #110 recusancy

Oh, that's lovely. That's some small government anti-regulation principles at work there.

117 Stanghazi  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:38:53pm

Hey, so has Steve been playing the guitar on google's home page for the past 2 days?

Hi folks. Bruins in less than a half hour.

118 blueraven  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:39:20pm

re: #110 recusancy

As if WI Gov. Scott Walker wasn't already a big enough tool.

They have gone too far!

All their BS about small business, as the engine for economic growth. Assholes!

119 allegro  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:43:05pm

re: #118 blueraven

They have gone too far!

All their BS about small business, as the engine for economic growth. Assholes!

I figured out some time ago to listen to what they say and then flip it over to find the truth. It's always opposite day with them.

120 aagcobb  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:45:51pm

re: #27 HappyWarrior

Who pray tell is a real conservative to them? Sarah "my state actually pays people to live there" Palin. The idea of a true conservative that many right wing diehards have is pure fantasy. It's as stupid as my fellow liberals who convinced themselves that there was a time when the party was perfectly liberal.

If the real Reagan was around today, instead of the mythological version, he would be denounced as a RINO.

121 recusancy  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:46:29pm

re: #120 aagcobb

If the real Reagan was around today, instead of the mythological version, he would be denounced as a RINO.

No he'd probably fall in line.

122 Linden Arden  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:46:59pm

re: #117 Stanley Sea

I can't wait.

I love the Stanley Cup!

I just wish that I could watch a NHL game without the blue lines - just to see why they don't like fast breaks.

Hey, but I never played hockey - what do I know?

123 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:47:57pm

re: #120 aagcobb

If the real Reagan was around today, instead of the mythological version, he would be denounced as a RINO.

Hell, he might have remained a democrat in this environment.

124 Turkey Jihad  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:49:55pm

re: #123 Slumbering Behemoth

Hell, he might have remained a democrat in this environment.

The whole "Reagan Conservative" self-descriptions that Palin, Hannity, Rush, et al throw around still cracks me up to this day.

125 Alexzander  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:51:30pm

re: #117 Stanley Sea

Hey, so has Steve been playing the guitar on google's home page for the past 2 days?

Hi folks. Bruins in less than a half hour.

Albusteve is on a time out AFAIK.

126 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:51:33pm

Off topic, but something seems to be wrong with my FB.

127 Alexzander  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:52:15pm

re: #126 ProLifeLiberal

Off topic, but something seems to be wrong with my FB.

Almost everything is wrong with facebook.

128 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:53:46pm

re: #126 ProLifeLiberal

Off topic, but something seems to be wrong with my FB.

Fat Boyfriend?

129 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:54:16pm

re: #117 Stanley Sea

Hey, so has Steve been playing the guitar on google's home page for the past 2 days?

Hi folks. Bruins in less than a half hour.


The hit on Nathan Horton may have won the series for the Bruins in the end

Since then, they have been playing mad, but controlled

130 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:54:46pm

re: #128 Slumbering Behemoth

Fat Boyfriend?

Frog Bottom?

131 aagcobb  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:55:24pm

re: #130 sattv4u2

Frog Bottom?

Frodo Baggins?

132 Alexzander  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:55:24pm

re: #130 sattv4u2

Frog Bottom?

Female Body-double?

133 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:55:26pm

re: #125 Alexzander

Albusteve is on a time out AFAIK.

I thought that was Ludwig?

134 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:55:35pm

re: #130 sattv4u2

Frog Bottom?

Well if you got one of those, something is already wrong.

135 Alexzander  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:55:42pm

re: #131 aagcobb

Frodo Baggins?

Fabulous Booty?

136 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:55:52pm

re: #125 Alexzander

Albusteve is on a time out AFAIK.

I saw him log in today.

137 Alexzander  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:56:16pm

re: #133 sattv4u2

I thought that was Ludwig?

I believe its both. Plus presumably Newton- or maybe he just never came back.

138 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:56:52pm

re: #135 Alexzander

Fabulous Booty?

That's gotta be it. PLL sounds like the type to have a FB.

139 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:56:59pm

re: #137 Alexzander

I believe its both. Plus presumably Newton- or maybe he just never came back.

whothehellis Newton?

140 Stanghazi  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:57:07pm

re: #129 sattv4u2

The hit on Nathan Horton may have won the series for the Bruins in the end

Since then, they have been playing mad, but controlled

Which in code means, don't fuck with the Bruins & don't play dirty pool.

141 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:57:21pm

re: #134 Slumbering Behemoth

Well if you got one of those, something is already wrong.

warts!

142 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:57:35pm

re: #140 Stanley Sea

Which in code means, don't fuck with the Bruins & don't play dirty pool.

:)

143 What, me worry?  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:58:53pm

re: #139 sattv4u2

whothehellis Newton?

Fig Big?

144 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 4:59:42pm

re: #143 marjoriemoon

Fig Big?

coffee ,,,,, screen ,,, mess


not good!

145 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:01:09pm

re: #139 sattv4u2

whothehellis Newton?

Got Alzheimer's?

146 darthstar  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:01:42pm

I always wanted to be an insane, fanatical bigot...could never get past slightly loopy, moderately enthusiastic purist.

147 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:01:52pm

re: #30 Naso Tang

Isn't it strange that craziness is pretty much shielded from media scrutiny as long as it hides behind a god?

Even the likes of Ed and Maddow seem to leave this aspect pretty much alone.

Kathleen Parker got some real respect from me during the election when she criticized Obama and McCain for doing the trip to be inspected at Saddleback.

148 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:02:28pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Exclusive: Weiner's Messages to Teenage Girl in Delaware Draw Police Attention

This story keeps getting better and better and better...

149 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:02:46pm

re: #143 marjoriemoon

Okay, should have said Facebook. I can't 'like' anything, and can't access my messages.

150 What, me worry?  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:03:49pm

re: #144 sattv4u2

coffee ,,, screen ,,, mess

not good!

My work here is done!

151 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:03:54pm

re: #147 SanFranciscoZionist

Kathleen Parker got some real respect from me during the election when she criticized Obama and McCain for doing the trip to be inspected at Saddleback.

I don't follow. Are you referencing the movie?

152 Alexzander  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:04:08pm

re: #139 sattv4u2

whothehellis Newton?

Damn, Have I already forgotten his name? The guy who talked about his trip to Paris every 5 minutes for a couple months.

153 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:04:32pm

re: #34 blueraven

Fortunatley that part was overturned by the state legislature. The only drug manufacturer of the vaccine Gardasil, is Merck & Co.
Governor Perry’s connection with Gardasil’s manufacturer: His former chief of staff is a lobbyist for Merck & Co. in Texas. .

Won't that bite him in the ass with the so-cons anyhow? They've had a lot of issues around Gardasil.

154 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:04:49pm

re: #136 wrenchwench

I saw him log in today.

Good. If it worked, then he's back in General Population.

155 What, me worry?  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:05:21pm

re: #149 ProLifeLiberal

Okay, should have said Facebook. I can't 'like' anything, and can't access my messages.

That sounds weird. I checked and am having no trouble, but I find Facebook to be flaky.

156 Alexzander  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:05:31pm

re: #154 Decatur Deb

Good. If it worked, then he's back in General Population.

Some solitary is safer.

157 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:05:36pm

re: #151 Naso Tang

I don't follow. Are you referencing the movie?

The anti-gay preacher's church.

158 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:06:19pm

re: #152 Alexzander

Damn, Have I already forgotten his name? The guy who talked about his trip to Paris every 5 minutes for a couple months.

Oh,, Walter ,,, yes ,, Newton

Sorry

Yes ,, a time out and hasn't returned (as far as I can tell)

159 aagcobb  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:06:44pm

re: #153 SanFranciscoZionist

Won't that bite him in the ass with the so-cons anyhow? They've had a lot of issues around Gardasil.

Namely, that we shouldn't interfere with God's plan to kill immoral girls with cancer.

160 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:06:55pm

re: #149 ProLifeLiberal

Okay, should have said Facebook. I can't 'like' anything, and can't access my messages.

Talking of Facebook. I have an entry but don't use it except when someone I don't know wants to be my friend.

However a relative who is as clueless as I (maybe more) did that recently and I promptly got several spam messages on my "wall" supposedly from him/her.

Anyone know how that can happen?

161 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:07:43pm

re: #157 Decatur Deb

The anti-gay preacher's church.

Oh. OK.

162 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:10:04pm

re: #159 aagcobb

WHY AREN'T THE MAKING THE BOYS GET VACCINATED!!11ty

163 Stanghazi  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:10:40pm

re: #153 SanFranciscoZionist

Won't that bite him in the ass with the so-cons anyhow? They've had a lot of issues around Gardasil.

This assumes #1 it will be brought up. and #2 that Fox does a story on it.

164 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:13:51pm

IF Weiner was inappropriately communicating with an underage girl, he has crossed over to the Hypocrite Zone.

Protecting Children On the Internet

In early 2007 my office did a study that found that over 85% of registered sex offenders in New York City live less than five blocks from schools, and 670 sex offenders live within just two blocks. Some offenders are even closer, permanently residing less than 500 feet away from unwitting parents, educators and children.

Along with several colleagues in Congress, we introduced & passed the KIDS (Keeping the Internet Devoid of Sexual Predators) Act of 2007, a bill to require sex offenders to register their e-mail and instant message addresses with the National Sex Offender Registry. The “Kids Act’ implemented one of my six recommendations to keep a closer eye on sex offenders both near school grounds and online. I also proposed stricter GPS tracking of sex offenders, tougher enforcement of registration laws and more public disclosure of sex offender data.

Sadly, the Internet is the predator's venue of choice today. We need to update our strategies and our laws to stop these offenders who are a mere click away from our children.

[...]

165 Alexzander  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:13:58pm
Politico: Anthony Weiner admits contact with girl, 17

New potential Twitter-related troubles arose for Rep. Anthony Weiner on Friday, after Delaware police reportedly spoke with a 17-year-old high school girl about “direct online communications” she’s had with the disgraced congressman.

Weiner confirmed the communications late in the day, but denied that anything inappropriate took place.

166 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:14:41pm

re: #151 Naso Tang

I don't follow. Are you referencing the movie?

There's a movie?

This.

167 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:14:56pm

re: #152 Alexzander

Damn, Have I already forgotten his name? The guy who talked about his trip to Paris every 5 minutes for a couple months.

Walter.

168 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:15:11pm

re: #164 wrenchwench

Hat tip: Arizona Daily Star.

169 Alexzander  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:15:17pm

Man - Canucks energy is crazy right now...

170 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:15:32pm

re: #165 Alexzander

I want to wake up and have this all go away! Each day brings another {sigh}

171 recusancy  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:15:38pm

re: #151 Naso Tang

I don't follow. Are you referencing the movie?

That's Brokeback.

172 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:15:52pm

Paul Revere for Dummies

173 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:16:20pm

re: #169 Alexzander

Man - Canucks energy is crazy right now...

Lots of teams lost their edge getting all would in in warm ups

174 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:16:24pm

re: #162 Slumbering Behemoth

WHY AREN'T THE MAKING THE BOYS GET VACCINATED!!11ty

It's being recommended now, from the ads I see. I think at first they'd only finished the testing for the girls.

175 darthstar  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:17:08pm

re: #164 wrenchwench

IF Weiner was inappropriately communicating with an underage girl, he has crossed over to the Hypocrite Zone.

Hopefully his internal editor stopped him from sexually flirting with the 17 year old. Otherwise, he's fucking toast. But if he knew she was a kid and she said something like, "I saw you at our school." then chances are he simply entertained her with direct responses about mundane bullshit. But as I said above, if he did cross the line, then fuck him. This is one case where I suspect all communications will be made public without argument just to put the innuendo to rest.

176 What, me worry?  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:17:34pm

re: #164 wrenchwench

Ironically, so was Foley.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

In the House, Foley was one of the foremost opponents of child pornography. Foley had served as chairman of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children. He introduced a bill, coined the "Child Modeling Exploitation Prevention Act of 2002" to outlaw web sites featuring sexually suggestive images of preteen children, saying that “these websites are nothing more than a fix for pedophiles.” As it was written, the bill would have prohibited commercial photography of children and it failed due to the unmanageable burden it would have presented to the legitimate entertainment industry.[14][15] In June 2003 he wrote letters to the governor and attorney general of Florida, asking them to review the legality of a program for teenagers of a Lake Como nudist resort in Land o’ Lakes, Florida.[16]

Foley's legislation to change federal sex offender laws was supported by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, America's Most Wanted host John Walsh and a number of victims' rights groups. President Bush signed it into law as part of the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act of 2006.

Foley also succeeded in getting a law passed that allows volunteer youth-serving organizations like the Boy Scouts of America and Boys and Girls Clubs to have access to FBI fingerprint background checks.

177 darthstar  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:17:58pm

re: #169 Alexzander

Man - Canucks energy is crazy right now...

I hope they totally obliterate the Mavericks.

178 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:18:45pm

re: #171 recusancy

That's Brokeback.

Oopsy!

179 Alexzander  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:18:56pm

re: #175 darthstar

Agreed. If Weiner is being set up here he will undoubtably release all of the exchanges to clear his record. That kind of stigma doesn't go away.

180 darthstar  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:19:00pm

re: #176 marjoriemoon

Ironically, so was Foley.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Foley was intentionally pursuing young men. Weiner seems to have been shotgun flirting.

181 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:19:05pm

re: #175 darthstar

Hopefully his internal editor stopped him from sexually flirting with the 17 year old. Otherwise, he's fucking toast. But if he knew she was a kid and she said something like, "I saw you at our school." then chances are he simply entertained her with direct responses about mundane bullshit. But as I said above, if he did cross the line, then fuck him. This is one case where I suspect all communications will be made public without argument just to put the innuendo to rest.

In Alexzander's link at #165, Weiner denies inappropriateness.

182 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:19:13pm

re: #167 SanFranciscoZionist

Walter.

And speaking of Paris, there is apparently this thing called Paris Syndrome. This is what happens when Japanese tourists visit Paris, find it dirty and full of rude people, cannot cope, and break down.

Apparently the Japanese Embassy in France has to send people back all the time who've had nervous breakdowns on account on Paris.

183 aagcobb  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:19:31pm

re: #170 sattv4u2

I want to wake up and have this all go away! Each day brings another {sigh}

The process of watching a politician's career meltdown as denials turn into tearful confessions and more and more sordid details emerge has an almost ritualistic aspect to it.

184 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:19:35pm

re: #177 darthstar

I hope they totally obliterate the Mavericks Phillies.

185 Alexzander  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:19:51pm

Glorious and Free!!
Ohh Canada, we stand on guard for thee!
Ohh Canada, we stand on guard..foorr....theee!!!!!!!

186 darthstar  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:20:35pm

re: #179 Alexzander

Agreed. If Weiner is being set up here he will undoubtably release all of the exchanges to clear his record. That kind of stigma doesn't go away.

I posted about that earlier today. The accusation that he was having sexual tweets with underage girls is as bad as the activity itself, and those making the accusation had better have rock-solid evidence or they deserve to be publicly humiliated for their lack of morals in taking that tack in the first place.

187 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:21:05pm

re: #183 aagcobb

The process of watching a politician's career meltdown as denials turn into tearful confessions and more and more sordid details emerge has an almost ritualistic aspect to it.

I have enough rituals in my life without adding ones like this too them

188 Alexzander  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:21:10pm

re: #183 aagcobb

The process of watching a politician's career meltdown as denials turn into tearful confessions and more and more sordid details emerge has an almost ritualistic aspect to it.

On some level we like to see our "gods" fall.

189 Turkey Jihad  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:21:22pm

re: #185 Alexzander

Glorious and Free!!
Ohh Canada, we stand on guard for thee!
Ohh Canada, we stand on guard..foorr...theee!!!

That dude has some serious pipes! Nice gesture to the crowd letting them sing a few verses. Well done....GO BRUINS!

190 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:21:41pm

re: #188 Alexzander

On some level we like to see our soneone elses "gods" fall.

ftfy

191 Alexzander  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:21:51pm

re: #189 Kid A

Its on! :)

192 Alexzander  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:22:41pm

re: #190 sattv4u2

ftfy

I dont have any gods so its all the same for me.
One giant soap opera, albeit with real lives on the line.

193 Turkey Jihad  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:23:05pm

re: #191 Alexzander

Its on! :)

I'm a native Texan, and I love me some puck. Best game to watch live in person.

194 What, me worry?  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:23:26pm

re: #180 darthstar

Foley was intentionally pursuing young men. Weiner seems to have been shotgun flirting.

I don't know. After Charles posted the Hannity interview, I went around the net to refresh myself. The similarities in the cases seem to be that the communications were computer chat. IMs for Foley as there was no "texting" at that time. It was never proven that Foley had sexual relations with the pages and I don't believe the pages said that. But the chat was every bit as sexual as Weiner, although with young men.

Btw, Foley was molested by his priest when he was 13 and 14. The priest, after retiring, of course, finally fessed up to it.

As an FYI, today Foley is an out gay man in a committed relationship with a dermatologist from LA.

195 darthstar  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:23:34pm

You gotta love the "Blame Callista" thing in the GOP...even though Newt's a sleazy fucker, Republicans are using his wife as a scapegoat for his staff quitting. I'll bet she just loves that attention.

196 Varek Raith  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:23:46pm

re: #190 sattv4u2

ftfy

Since I have none, they can all fall for all I care.
:P

197 Turkey Jihad  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:24:20pm

re: #195 darthstar

You gotta love the "Blame Callista" thing in the GOP...even though Newt's a sleazy fucker, Republicans are using his wife as a scapegoat for his staff quitting. I'll bet she just loves that attention.


Her face never moves, so you'd nbever be able to tell or not.

198 Alexzander  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:24:38pm

re: #194 marjoriemoon


Btw, Foley was molested by his priest when he was 13 and 14. The priest, after retiring, of course, finally fessed up to it.

As an FYI, today Foley is an out gay man in a committed relationship with a dermatologist from LA.

I never thought I'd say this but.... good for Foley.

199 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:25:00pm

re: #181 wrenchwench

In Alexzander's link at #165, Weiner denies inappropriateness.

So, what do you expect, and how does that change all the rest?

Regardless of the details, I'll repeat that the whole sordid episode shows a lack of judgement and self control that this country can't afford in its leaders.

Any private company, small or large, would fire anyone found doing the same (not only if on company time). I find it odd that many people seem to think being elected puts this in a different category.

200 Alexzander  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:25:09pm

re: #193 Kid A

I'm a native Texan, and I love me some puck. Best game to watch live in person.

I'm a native Brit but I've spent long enough in Canada to be obliged to watch this game.

201 darthstar  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:25:37pm

re: #194 marjoriemoon

I'm glad he's finally out and happy about it. I hold nothing against Foley personally. I was disturbed by his hypocrisy when he was still closeted though. Just as I'm upset with Weiner's virtual infidelity. He fucked up.

202 Obdicut  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:26:30pm

re: #112 marjoriemoon

This isn't ignorance of the law, it'd be ignorance of the facts. And that is, in fact, an excuse. You can't be arrested for receiving stolen property if you didn't know the property was stolen, for example.

However, in this case it appears to be quite a moot point.

203 Turkey Jihad  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:26:35pm

re: #200 Alexzander

Image: canada_cat.jpg

204 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:26:44pm

re: #196 Varek Raith

Since I have none, they can all fall for all I care.
:P

I'm pretty sure he meant "god" a someone you trust, admire, even look up to

A Reagan for repubs

An Obama now for the left

Deriving "pleasure" in seeing someone ELSES "god" fall

205 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:26:54pm

BBIAB

206 Alexzander  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:27:15pm

re: #201 darthstar

I'm glad he's finally out and happy about it. I hold nothing against Foley personally. I was disturbed by his hypocrisy when he was still closeted though. Just as I'm upset with Weiner's virtual infidelity. He fucked up.

Great movie on Republican hypocrisy, with respect to homosexuality:

Youtube Video
207 What, me worry?  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:28:07pm

re: #198 Alexzander

I never thought I'd say this but... good for Foley.

Well, he made some seriously bad mistakes. I think it was criminal, but it couldn't be proven legally.

He certainly had a lot of demons and hopefully he's gotten past them.

208 darthstar  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:28:42pm

re: #197 Kid A

Her face never moves, so you'd nbever be able to tell or not.

Shit...she's actually younger than I am(just wiki'd her)! She's probably thinking she still has time to divorce the stinky old fucker and spend the next twenty years with someone who can not only take her on a cruise, but throw in some physical activity too.

209 Turkey Jihad  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:28:48pm

re: #200 Alexzander

Image: funny-graphs-texas.gif

210 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:28:50pm

Does anyone want a write-up on recent Libya events? I stopped for a while because of burn-out.

211 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:29:02pm

re: #194 marjoriemoon

Interesting. I didn't see the clip, but did Hannity know that?

212 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:29:24pm

re: #210 ProLifeLiberal

Does anyone want a write-up on recent Libya events? I stopped for a while because of burn-out.

Absolutely! Go for it.

213 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:29:40pm

re: #204 sattv4u2

I'm pretty sure he meant "god" a someone you trust, admire, even look up to

A Reagan for repubs

An Obama now for the left

Deriving "pleasure" in seeing someone ELSES "god" fall

What if their god is Cthulu, and he was going to eat us all, but falls.

Can I gloat then?

214 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:29:42pm

re: #210 ProLifeLiberal

Does anyone want a write-up on recent Libya events? I stopped for a while because of burn-out.

Please ,, yes

215 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:30:25pm

re: #213 EmmmieG

What if their god is Cthulu, and he was going to eat us all, but falls.

Can I gloat then?

No, but you DO get to choose if you want to be an appetizer or a dessert

216 prairiefire  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:31:04pm

re: #210 ProLifeLiberal

Does anyone want a write-up on recent Libya events? I stopped for a while because of burn-out.

Bunker busting!

217 What, me worry?  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:31:14pm

re: #201 darthstar

I'm glad he's finally out and happy about it. I hold nothing against Foley personally. I was disturbed by his hypocrisy when he was still closeted though. Just as I'm upset with Weiner's virtual infidelity. He fucked up.

Apparently he was an alcoholic on top of it. After he left the Congress he checked into rehab for awhile. It was then he announced he was gay.

The experience, quite frankly, I think saved him and more importantly, a lot of young men.

The other thing Foley did that Weiner didn't do, or at least doesn't seem to have done as far as we know, is do any of this sexting with women who worked with him.

218 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:32:13pm

Oh joy! There goes the idiot Adam Baldwin again on Twitter, currying favor with his daddy Breitbart.

219 prairiefire  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:32:15pm

re: #217 marjoriemoon

That be a slim reed, my dear.

220 What, me worry?  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:32:43pm

re: #202 Obdicut

This isn't ignorance of the law, it'd be ignorance of the facts. And that is, in fact, an excuse. You can't be arrested for receiving stolen property if you didn't know the property was stolen, for example.

However, in this case it appears to be quite a moot point.

Oh yes you can! It's your obligation to do your own due diligence and have half a brain while doing so.

If Weiner was texting underage girls and uses the "I didn't know her age" excuse, he's in deep shit. It's up to him to find that out and if he had a doubt NOT DO IT.

221 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:32:47pm

re: #174 SanFranciscoZionist

It's being recommended now, from the ads I see. I think at first they'd only finished the testing for the girls.

Oh, I was just being silly. Back when that particular thing was first being discussed here, there was at least one wingnut screaming that every now and then.

222 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:33:10pm

re: #210 ProLifeLiberal

Does anyone want a write-up on recent Libya events? I stopped for a while because of burn-out.

I think I saw that 30% of all the air missions have been conducted by Norway and Denmark. Something is rotten in NATO.

223 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:34:36pm

re: #217 marjoriemoon


The other thing Foley did that Weiner didn't do, or at least doesn't seem to have done as far as we know, is do any of this sexting with women who worked with him.

I'm sure you didn't mean it that way, but that sort of distinction is kind of lost on me.

224 darthstar  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:34:39pm

"According to Congressman Weiner, his communications with THIS person were neither explicit nor indecent." - Weiner communications director on the tweets to a 17 year old.

225 What, me worry?  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:35:25pm

re: #219 prairiefire

That be a slim reed, my dear.

Indeed. I have no idea, but just from what I was reading, he seems to have put his life together.

226 darthstar  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:35:28pm

Rangel - He wasn't going into men's rooms with wide stances. Ha!

227 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:35:57pm

re: #218 Charles

Jayne?

228 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:36:01pm

re: #224 darthstar

"According to Congressman Weiner, his communications with THIS person were neither explicit nor indecent." - Weiner communications director on the tweets to a 17 year old.

"According to Congressman Weiner, his acount was hacked, or pranked ,,,, "

just sayin!

229 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:36:28pm

re: #224 darthstar

"According to Congressman Weiner, his communications with THIS person were neither explicit nor indecent." - Weiner communications director on the tweets to a 17 year old.

Well, I guess we'll see. I kind of doubt Weiner would lie about this too, when the truth is bound to come out -- but he did lie before.

230 darthstar  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:36:48pm

re: #218 Charles

Oh joy! There goes the idiot Adam Baldwin again on Twitter, currying favor with his daddy Breitbart.

Is that a Baldwin brother? Like asshole Stephen and dorky wonk Alec?

231 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:37:11pm

re: #230 darthstar

Is that a Baldwin brother? Like asshole Stephen and dorky wonk Alec?

No, it's the Firefly clown.

232 darthstar  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:37:28pm

re: #229 Charles

Well, I guess we'll see. I kind of doubt Weiner would lie about this too, when the truth is bound to come out -- but he did lie before.

I'm sure he'll release every communication with this girl to the police asap to get them to drop the investigation as quickly as possible.

233 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:37:40pm

re: #230 darthstar

re: #231 Charles

Maybe the name is cursed or something.

234 darthstar  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:37:49pm

re: #231 Charles

No, it's the Firefly clown.

okay, you lost me.

235 Alexzander  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:38:31pm

re: #232 darthstar

If hes smart (and innocent) he will yes. Otherwise... I'll be suspicious again.

236 Turkey Jihad  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:38:59pm

re: #230 darthstar

Is that a Baldwin brother? Like asshole Stephen and dorky wonk Alec?

You mean the Father of the Year?


Youtube Video
237 researchok  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:39:14pm

re: #229 Charles

Well, I guess we'll see. I kind of doubt Weiner would lie about this too, when the truth is bound to come out -- but he did lie before.

He may not have known her age- which may cause him further grief.

Will anyone believe him?

238 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:40:03pm

re: #224 darthstar

"According to Congressman Weiner, his communications with THIS person were neither explicit nor indecent." - Weiner communications director on the tweets to a 17 year old.

Can we agree that all eventually inappropriate communications start out with something neither explicit nor inappropriate?

When I used to be in sales there was a key principle to keeping the ball rolling and it was called the pipeline. One has to keep feeding it at the beginning to get something out at the end, or it peters out, so to speak.

239 darthstar  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:40:04pm

re: #237 researchok

He may not have known her age- which may cause him further grief.

Will anyone believe him?

Does it matter if anyone believes him? Cross the 18 threshold and you're fucked, period.

240 Turkey Jihad  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:40:33pm

re: #237 researchok

He may not have known her age- which may cause him further grief.

Will anyone believe him?

Would you?

241 BishopX  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:41:07pm

re: #240 Kid A

I'm if there was physical evidence that she lied.

242 albusteve  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:42:34pm

re: #240 Kid A

Would you?

of course not, I didn't believe him the first time round, but he has to go through all these new accusations and pay the bill...his real problem is public burnout and becoming irrelevant....he's doomed

243 Turkey Jihad  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:42:54pm

re: #241 BishopX

I'm if there was physical evidence that she lied.

At this point for Weiner, anything else is a verdict, not an accusation, if you follow what I'm saying.

244 Alexzander  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:43:20pm

re: #237 researchok

He may not have known her age- which may cause him further grief.

Will anyone believe him?

We went over this earlier - but apparently they first interacted after a highschool event so...

245 What, me worry?  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:43:22pm

re: #223 Naso Tang

I'm sure you didn't mean it that way, but that sort of distinction is kind of lost on me.

It's directly considered harassment if the women worked there with him, especially the he's in a superior position. That's why they have those laws.

I read a really interesting article last night that was prompted by Weinergate. The woman was commenting on the lack of response... make that ZERO response by Weiner's wife. None of this visibly public "stand by your man" stuff, like Spitzer or Clinton.

Anyway this author's take on it was that it was generational. A woman born prior to the 60s had no recourse if a man was harrassing her in the workplace. She basically had to take it to keep her job. Women today, and Huma was born in 1976, became adults inside the feminist movement and had that choice to say, "Hands off" and be protected.

It's the same kind of thing with "stand by your man". It doesn't have to be an obligation the way women of my generation would see it. It's her choice whatever she decides to do with her marriage.

Really on the money, I must tell you.

246 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:43:33pm

re: #241 BishopX

I'm wondering if there was physical evidence that she lied.

Physical evidence?

247 researchok  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:43:34pm

re: #240 Kid A

Would you?

Actually, I would.

I can't imagine he'd set himself ablaze, so to speak.

Then again, I was sure his Twitter account was hacked.

248 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:44:14pm

re: #241 BishopX

I'm if there was physical evidence that she lied.

What kind of evidence would that be?

Twitter accounts don't leave physical evidence, they leave digital evidence.

249 albusteve  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:44:25pm

re: #243 Kid A

At this point for Weiner, anything else is a verdict, not an accusation, if you follow what I'm saying.

might call it the Breitbart Syndrome

250 researchok  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:44:29pm

re: #244 Alexzander

We went over this earlier - but apparently they first interacted after a highschool event so...

Is she a senior?

251 Turkey Jihad  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:45:27pm

re: #249 albusteve

might call it the Breitbart Syndrome

Exactly.

252 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:45:46pm

re: #242 albusteve

Welcome back.

253 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:45:56pm

re: #199 Naso Tang

So, what do you expect, and how does that change all the rest?

Regardless of the details, I'll repeat that the whole sordid episode shows a lack of judgement and self control that this country can't afford in its leaders.

Any private company, small or large, would fire anyone found doing the same (not only if on company time). I find it odd that many people seem to think being elected puts this in a different category.

The difference about this category is that his constituents get to do the firing. They did the hiring. It has to be pretty bad for his co-workers to give him the boot.

254 Turkey Jihad  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:45:59pm

re: #250 researchok

Is she a senior?

Shit, at seventeen that would make her a junior, right?

255 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:46:24pm

re: #245 marjoriemoon

OK. I see what you mean in that it adds a level of intimidation. I'm simply still thinking that the act is the same as far as sleaze goes, regardless.

256 BishopX  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:46:43pm

re: #248 EmmmieG

I'm apparently in bad form tonight, dropping words and over generalizing. I meant communications records, which would digital records as you pointed out.

257 researchok  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:47:04pm

re: #254 Kid A

Shit, at seventeen that would make her a junior, right?

Or, a senior with a birthday later on in the year.

258 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:47:12pm

re: #254 Kid A

Shit, at seventeen that would make her a junior, right?

I started my senior year at 17 and graduated at 18.

259 BishopX  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:47:26pm

re: #254 Kid A

This time of year? she could well be a rising senior.

260 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:47:41pm

re: #257 researchok

Or, a senior with a birthday later on in the year.

Or a slow sophomore...

261 Turkey Jihad  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:47:44pm

re: #257 researchok

Or, a senior with a birthday later on in the year.

True. I forgot that I was seventeen when I graduated, two months before my July birthday.

262 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:48:21pm

re: #258 wrenchwench

I started my senior year at 17 and graduated at 18.

so will my son'

turns 17 next month

will be in 12 grade in August

263 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:48:21pm

I would not vote for a 45 year old man who picked up on a high school senior, 18 or no.

I graduated at 17, and so did Mr. EmmmieG.

(We still haven't seen any evidence he did contact her inappropriately, though.)

264 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:48:37pm

re: #222 Naso Tang

I think I saw that 30% of all the air missions have been conducted by Norway and Denmark. Something is rotten in NATO.

Denmark takes a dim view of international evil doers. They are also major contributors in Afghanistan, where their per capita deployment (soldiers deployed/national population) is higher than that of the US and second only to the UK. 40 Danish soldiers have been killed in Afghanistan.

Photo: Danish troops in Afghanistan

265 albusteve  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:48:47pm

re: #252 Killgore Trout

Welcome back.

why thank you....tomorrow I think they will let me out this straightjacket...trial run here

266 Turkey Jihad  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:49:32pm

re: #265 albusteve

why thank you...tomorrow I think they will let me out this straightjacket...trial run here

How's the shock treatment coming along?
//

267 albusteve  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:50:15pm

re: #261 Kid A

True. I forgot that I was seventeen when I graduated, two months before my July birthday.

I graduated from high school on my birthday...41 yrs ago today

268 albusteve  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:50:37pm

re: #266 Kid A

How's the shock treatment coming along?
//

electrifying

269 Turkey Jihad  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:50:47pm

re: #267 albusteve

I graduated from high school on my birthday...41 yrs ago today

Happy Birthday, Wild Man!

270 blueraven  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:51:05pm

re: #267 albusteve

Happy Birthday, graduate!

271 albusteve  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:51:18pm

re: #269 Kid A

Happy Birthday, Wild Man!

the big 5-9

272 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:51:50pm

re: #253 wrenchwench

The difference about this category is that his constituents get to do the firing. They did the hiring. It has to be pretty bad for his co-workers to give him the boot.

Well, we are getting a bit into semantics here. Either they are his bosses or his co workers. Not both. Although I think his real coworkers, the other Representative, actually can fire him.

I suppose it comes down to the natural tendency of people not wanting to admit they were misled. It's always easier to excuse than fire, or forgive than excommunicate.

273 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:52:11pm

re: #271 albusteve

the big 5-9

Oh, great, next year you're going to want the discount, and extra updings on posts before 5 pm.

274 Stanghazi  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:52:21pm

re: #265 albusteve

why thank you...tomorrow I think they will let me out this straightjacket...trial run here

Steve, have you seen the google tribute to les paul? their home page. amazingly they left it up for 2 days, first time I think.

People are youtubing their songs!

look!

275 Turkey Jihad  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:52:33pm

re: #267 albusteve

I graduated from high school on my birthday...41 yrs ago today

Image: geezer.jpg

276 albusteve  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:52:48pm

re: #270 blueraven

Happy Birthday, graduate!

Chester Burnett shares the same birthday...good company

277 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:53:07pm

re: #271 albusteve

the big 5-9

I didn't think you were that tall!

278 albusteve  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:53:47pm

re: #273 EmmmieG

Oh, great, next year you're going to want the discount, and extra updings on posts before 5 pm.

LOL....if I had a dollar for every downding I'd be rich!

279 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:55:07pm

re: #278 albusteve

LOL...if I had a dollar for every downding I'd be rich!

We don't get dollars???

280 albusteve  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:55:17pm

re: #274 Stanley Sea

Steve, have you seen the google tribute to les paul? their home page. amazingly they left it up for 2 days, first time I think.

People are youtubing their songs!

look!

I saw that, very cool...I'm surprised they even know who he was tho...Paul deserves even more recognition IMO

281 Turkey Jihad  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:55:31pm

re: #276 albusteve

Chester Burnett shares the same birthday...good company

Aw, fuck! John Edwards is born on your birthday, Steve. But so is Sasha Obama, Judy Garland, and Tara Lipinski.

282 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:55:57pm

re: #267 albusteve

I graduated from high school on my birthday...41 yrs ago today

Happy birthday.

Image: funny-pictures-cat-wants-his-birthday-cake.jpg

283 Linden Arden  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:56:00pm

re: #278 albusteve

LOL...if I had a dollar for every downding I'd be rich!

I've down dinged you twice, iirc!

I owe you two bucks!

284 albusteve  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:56:19pm

re: #277 sattv4u2

I didn't think you were that tall!

I'm 5/10 and as hard as a marshmellow

285 3eff Jeff  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:56:24pm

re: #281 Kid A

Aw, fuck! John Edwards is born on your birthday, Steve. But so is Sasha Obama, Judy Garland, and Tara Lipinski.

That's better than me. I shared mine with Osama Bin Laden.

286 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:56:25pm

We are Palin and Palin is us.
/pimp

287 Turkey Jihad  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:57:26pm

re: #285 3eff Jeff

That's better than me. I shared mine with Osama Bin Laden.

Yeah, but you're still alive...right?

288 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:57:28pm

re: #272 Naso Tang

Well, we are getting a bit into semantics here. Either they are his bosses or his co workers. Not both. Although I think his real coworkers, the other Representative, actually can fire him.

I suppose it comes down to the natural tendency of people not wanting to admit they were misled. It's always easier to excuse than fire, or forgive than excommunicate.

I did not mean to conflate his constituents with his coworkers. Unless his sins are really grievous, I think the constituents get first dibs.

289 What, me worry?  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:58:31pm

re: #255 Naso Tang

OK. I see what you mean in that it adds a level of intimidation. I'm simply still thinking that the act is the same as far as sleaze goes, regardless.

It's worse, really, if she's an underling. In fact, it's criminal. If proven, he could be prosecuted.

I hate to go back to the Foley thing, but kids are empowered these days, too. Not like we were. Guys and gals both. Some of the pages who worked for Foley reported him. That didn't often happen even in the 70s. Kids are taught from when they're very little about "good touch, bad touch" so they learn to say no.

290 3eff Jeff  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:58:48pm

re: #287 Kid A

Yeah, but you're still alive...right?

Hell yes, and it feels great to use the past tense on that sentence.

Also, happy birthday, Steve.

291 albusteve  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:59:11pm

re: #282 wrenchwench

Happy birthday.

Image: funny-pictures-cat-wants-his-birthday-cake.jpg

thanks, I'm really not much into birthdays, but I love cats...in fact I have a feral cat hanging out at the bunkhouse....trots right through like it owns the place....then hunts all my lizards down, but I can't get near it yet

292 What, me worry?  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:59:23pm

re: #271 albusteve

the big 5-9

Dude! You don't type a day over 4-9!

293 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 5:59:30pm

re: #288 wrenchwench

I did not mean to conflate his constituents with his coworkers. Unless his sins are really grievous, I think the constituents get first dibs.

I thought he could be forced to resign, but never mind I don't mean to pretend to know all the rules.

294 Stanghazi  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:00:05pm

re: #281 Kid A

Aw, fuck! John Edwards is born on your birthday, Steve. But so is Sasha Obama, Judy Garland, and Tara Lipinski.

Happy Birthday Steve and Sasha!!!

295 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:00:41pm

re: #285 3eff Jeff

That's better than me. I shared mine with Osama Bin Laden.

Did you exchange cards ?

296 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:01:00pm

re: #291 albusteve

thanks, I'm really not much into birthdays, but I love cats...in fact I have a feral cat hanging out at the bunkhouse...trots right through like it owns the place...then hunts all my lizards down, but I can't get near it yet

Save the lizards!

297 albusteve  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:01:31pm

re: #290 3eff Jeff

Hell yes, and it feels great to use the past tense on that sentence.

Also, happy birthday, Steve.

for everyone born June 10....
crank it

Youtube Video
298 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:01:38pm

re: #295 sattv4u2

Did you exchange cards ?

Ha.

Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
Happy Birthday jerkface,
We're coming for you.

299 albusteve  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:02:41pm

re: #296 wrenchwench

Save the lizards!

the damned thing is very good to...will not give up

300 What, me worry?  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:02:54pm

For you, Steve! I hope you have a wonderful bday and many more.

Youtube Video
301 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:03:43pm

happy birthday Steve.

G'night all.

302 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:03:45pm

re: #297 albusteve

for everyone born June 10...
crank it

[Video]

Hey, it's my stepmother's birthday, too. I called her. My mom's birthday was two days ago. She got a Facebook message. (It was the least I could do, so that's what I did.)

303 albusteve  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:03:59pm

re: #300 marjoriemoon

For you, Steve! I hope you have a wonderful bday and many more.

[Video]

aw, that's some kick butt stuff right there

304 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:04:05pm

re: #302 wrenchwench

Hey, it's my stepmother's birthday, too. I called her. My mom's birthday was two days ago. She got a Facebook message. (It was the least I could do, so that's what I did.)

ouch

305 Turkey Jihad  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:04:27pm

For Steve's birthday, a haiku...

I don't give a fuck,
If you downding me or not,
Just keepin' it real.

306 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:04:57pm

re: #298 EmmmieG

Ha.

Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
Happy Birthday jerkface,
We're coming for you.

Why would you send that to 3eff Jeff? He seems nice!

307 What, me worry?  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:05:22pm

re: #303 albusteve

aw, that's some kick butt stuff right there

You always did have exceptional taste

in music.

:)

308 wrenchwench  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:05:35pm

re: #304 sattv4u2

ouch

I didn't communicate with her for 10 years. This is progress. (Sad, huh?)

309 albusteve  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:05:39pm

re: #305 Kid A

For Steve's birthday, a haiku...

I don't give a fuck,
If you downding me or not,
Just keepin' it real.

heh...just be prepared for the consequences...I have some apologizing to do

310 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:05:59pm

re: #306 sattv4u2

Why would you send that to 3eff Jeff? He seems nice!

Noooooo

That was for the person he shares a birthday with.

311 jaunte  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:05:59pm

Happy birthday, Steve
Image: shake.jpg

312 Stanghazi  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:06:29pm

Satt, I hope the locker room is on fire. They are getting their asses kicked. Home ice and all that. But that crowd is so uptight. bleh

I watched the Rules for Bruins commercials today. You've seen them?

The best, don't date someone in your own conference.

313 albusteve  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:08:10pm

re: #307 marjoriemoon

You always did have exceptional taste

in music.

:)

I know what I like and have just followed the Delta blues all the way

314 albusteve  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:08:59pm

re: #311 jaunte

Happy birthday, Steve
Image: shake.jpg

very cool pic...how did you know that was me?

315 jaunte  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:10:13pm

re: #314 albusteve

The flippant stance, I think.

316 albusteve  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:10:36pm

re: #315 jaunte

The flippant stance, I think.

good one

317 Political Atheist  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:11:13pm

re: #314 albusteve

Happy Birthday. Wish ya many more. NM would just not be the same.

318 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:11:28pm

re: #308 wrenchwench

I didn't communicate with her for 10 years. This is progress. (Sad, huh?)

:(

319 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:12:01pm

re: #312 Stanley Sea

Satt, I hope the locker room is on fire. They are getting their asses kicked. Home ice and all that. But that crowd is so uptight. bleh

I watched the Rules for Bruins commercials today. You've seen them?

The best, don't date someone in your own conference.

:)

320 albusteve  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:12:59pm

hungry?
some Rad Gumbo

Youtube Video
321 Turkey Jihad  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:13:14pm

re: #319 sattv4u2

:)

Good first half. Nice netminding by Luongo and Thomas.

322 3eff Jeff  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:13:16pm

re: #306 sattv4u2

Why would you send that to 3eff Jeff? He seems nice!

Hahaha. Thanks.

323 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:13:25pm

re: #312 Stanley Sea

Satt, I hope the locker room is on fire. They are getting their asses kicked. Home ice and all that. But that crowd is so uptight. bleh

I watched the Rules for Bruins commercials today. You've seen them?

The best, don't date someone in your own conference.

Not me

Quiet determination

I've been on teams that "left it in the locker room",, all fired up there, then when the action starts you're so emotionally spent you start gasping for breath

324 albusteve  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:13:28pm

re: #317 Rightwingconspirator

Happy Birthday. Wish ya many more. NM would just not be the same.

thanks...I own this town

325 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:14:02pm

re: #321 Kid A

Good first half. period. Nice netminding by Luongo and Thomas.

sorry

326 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:14:31pm

BBIAB...

NBC demands my attention

327 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:16:15pm

Good evenin', fellow lizards. What's the good word?

328 Turkey Jihad  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:17:05pm

re: #325 sattv4u2

sorry

LOL. My God, that was embarassing. It's like my friends that call runs in baseball "points."

329 What, me worry?  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:18:00pm

re: #327 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Good evenin', fellow lizards. What's the good word?

Steve's an old coot.

330 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:20:05pm

re: #329 marjoriemoon

Steve's an old coot.

Who isn't 'round here?

331 albusteve  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:20:46pm

re: #329 marjoriemoon

Steve's an old coot.

maybe...it sure seems like it after three years of this disease bullshit....today I was cast for a new prosthesis, and in a year I'll kick your butt, child

332 prairiefire  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:22:52pm

re: #331 albusteve

maybe...it sure seems like it after three years of this disease bullshit...today I was cast for a new prosthesis, and in a year I'll kick your butt, child

Keep on truckin'!

333 Targetpractice  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:23:34pm

re: #331 albusteve

maybe...it sure seems like it after three years of this disease bullshit...today I was cast for a new prosthesis, and in a year I'll kick your butt, child

Will they be making you stronger, faster, and better than before?

/

334 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 6:23:57pm

re: #333 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Will they be making you stronger, faster, and better than before?

/

How could it not!?

335 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 7:11:34pm

re: #309 albusteve

heh...just be prepared for the consequences...I have some apologizing to do

I hope you're less wimpy at it than Weiner.

336 mich-again  Fri, Jun 10, 2011 10:09:19pm

Steve is a coot? I thought he was a curmudgeon.

337 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Jun 11, 2011 6:19:10pm

Michael Savage, the worm of a man who created the Savage Nation, has routinely associated gay rights advocates with the Nazi party of 1930s Germany.

Just putting that out there.

Totally late to the thread too.


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