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1 Political Atheist  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:37:41pm

That was easy.

2 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:38:20pm

Like I said downstairs, Jon Stewart.

3 Lidane  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:38:48pm

Too bad Stephen Colbert wasn't a choice. He gained a ton of material tonight.

4 elisabeth  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:40:36pm

Robert Gibbs was to give a rebuttal. Did he bother?

5 albusteve  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:41:51pm

I voted for Newt...
sorta like identifying a dead body tho

6 Virginia Plain  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:42:33pm

Chose Barack Obama. He's not any better than the GOP contenders, but as long as they act like clowns, none of them won.

7 3CPO  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:42:39pm

I'd really like to see someone better than Obama to vote for in 2012. I just don't think that's going to happen, though.

8 What, me worry?  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:43:51pm

Is screaming, "Ron Paul!" as bad as saying "First!"?

9 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:44:53pm

I recuse myself from voting on the basis that I am not yet drunk enough.

10 Robert O.  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:45:23pm

Only one person on the list emerged from the night having NOT appeared crazy, opportunist, out-of-touch, reality-defying, or a combination thereof.

11 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:45:38pm

re: #9 Slumbering Behemoth

I recuse myself from voting on the basis that I am not yet drunk enough.

What, you weren't a part of the debate drinking game? I think we had to cart a few off to the morgue from alcohol poisoning.

12 albusteve  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:45:56pm

inspired by the GOP debate....
the Beatles
[Link: www.moneynews.com...]

13 Fenris  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:46:06pm

999 out of 1000 Rondroids agree: Ron Paul totally won this one. The remaining one shall be beaten accordingly.

14 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:46:27pm

re: #10 Robert O.

Only one person on the list emerged from the night having NOT appeared crazy, opportunist, out-of-touch, reality-defying, or a combination thereof.

The cameraman?

15 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:47:26pm

re: #11 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

What, you weren't a part of the debate drinking game? I think we had to cart a few off to the morgue from alcohol poisoning.

I got called away for a chunk of it to do some actual work, commie.
/

16 Henchman Ghazi-808  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:47:41pm

Huntsman, by not showing up to that Winger Woo Convention.

17 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:48:15pm

re: #13 fenrisdesigns

999 out of 1000 Rondroids agree: Ron Paul totally won this one. The remaining one shall be beaten accordingly.

No beatings. Just a little recalibration of its connection to the Hive Mind.

18 Henchman Ghazi-808  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:49:14pm

I tried to vote for somebody else but could not pull away from RONPUAL. Like some tide goes in tide goes out Ouija computer mouse.

Just weird.

19 freetoken  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:49:33pm

re: #16 BigPapa

If he enters this year's race I suspect his sight is on 2016, not 2012.

The reason he would enter this year is to build name recognition.

It's a delicately balanced risk: by running this year and losing he will gain name recognition but if he gets too small a share of the GOP vote he will be tagged as a "loser." He needs to come in second to whomever.

If he wants to be President he has to become better known.

20 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:49:39pm

We already have some Paulians spamming away. They're nothing if not persistent.

21 Henchman Ghazi-808  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:50:59pm

RonPaul: it's what makes plants grow.

22 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:51:11pm

re: #19 freetoken

If he enters this year's race I suspect his sight is on 2016, not 2012.

The reason he would enter this year is to build name recognition.

It's a delicately balanced risk: by running this year and losing he will gain name recognition but if he gets too small a share of the GOP vote he will be tagged as a "loser." He needs to come in second to whomever.

If he wants to be President he has to become better known.

He does too poorly, he gets labeled an "also-ran." He does too well, people wonder why he didn't just go for the brass ring this year. He has to aim for mediocrity, which is not that easy a target in this pack.

23 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:51:22pm

I think Romney won. He looked good and nobody hit him hard. He's the favorite right now, and I hope he wins.

24 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:51:54pm

re: #23 Dark_Falcon

I think Romney won. He looked good and nobody hit him hard. He's the favorite right now, and I hope he wins.

I'll do everything in my power to make sure he doesn't.

25 Max  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:52:13pm

Wow. Side show Cain got two votes.

26 Robert O.  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:52:22pm

re: #20 Charles

We already have some Paulians spamming away. They're nothing if not persistent.

Ha Ha! I wouldn't be surprised if the Ron Paul zombies at Anonymous will try to find a way to hack LGF so their candidate "wins" the poll.

27 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:53:23pm

re: #20 Charles

We already have some Paulians spamming away. They're nothing if not persistent.

ALERT, ALERT! WE HAVE RONULANS SIGHTED OFF THE PORT QUARTER!!

Load the anti-troll torpedoes!

28 freetoken  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:53:41pm

I voted for Ron Paul simply because I think his own personal goal is to stay relevant and not be forgotten in his old age. Thus doing what he did tonight serves his ego well - he gets cheers, lots of people recognize him, and no one will forget him.

Thus, Paul got what he needed tonight.

The only other possible "winner" I can think of tonight is Gingrich, as he showed one again that he can answer questions and orate with skill far above most of the others. He's selling himself.

I can't say that Romney "won" simply because treading water, while ok for a putative leader of the pack, isn't going to get him the momentum he needs to build the number of supporters he would need to make it into the Whitehouse. Plus he still comes off as too fake.

29 albusteve  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:53:59pm

re: #24 Charles

I'll do everything in my power to make sure he doesn't.

oh man, Romnards already

30 celticdragon  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:55:15pm

re: #23 Dark_Falcon

I think Romney won. He looked good and nobody hit him hard. He's the favorite right now, and I hope he wins.

I'm still a registered Republican for some reason (too lazy and too cheap to change it at the DMV in North Carolina).

I'll vote for Zombie Reagan in the primary before I vote for Mittens.

31 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:55:20pm

re: #23 Dark_Falcon

He kind of spazzed out into Tea Party land.

The clear message from this debate is who lost:

GOP moderates.

They have no place that the table. No place for anyone who thinks the Tea Party went too far.

32 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:55:25pm

re: #24 Charles

I'll do everything in my power to make sure he doesn't.

If we're speaking strictly of the GOP nomination, who would you rather see get it?

If we're not strictly speaking of that, then never mind.

33 Max  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:55:26pm

re: #23 Dark_Falcon

I think Romney won. He looked good and nobody hit him hard. He's the favorite right now, and I hope he wins.

Why didn't they dog pile on Romney anyway? Does he have dirt on everyone up there? Does he have photos of each of them pulling a Weiner?

34 freetoken  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:55:27pm

The real winner was twitter.com . Twitter demonstrated that they have the power to dumb down American politics even farther than we had feared.

35 albusteve  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:55:34pm

Mitts teeth are worth a few poll points...he has great teeth

36 Fenris  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:55:41pm

re: #20 Charles

We already have some Paulians spamming away. They're nothing if not persistent.

On this poll, or some other site?

37 freetoken  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:56:04pm

re: #35 albusteve

And good hair, and dresses well if not notably stylishly.

38 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:56:10pm

Mitt Romney showed tonight that he's every bit as extreme and hypocritical as every other GOP candidate.

His statement that he would have let the auto industry go into bankruptcy was absolutely pathetic.

39 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:56:20pm

re: #35 albusteve

Mitts teeth are worth a few poll points...he has great teeth

He borrowed them from Donny Osmond for the night.

40 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:56:41pm

re: #24 Charles

I'll do everything in my power to make sure he doesn't.

Then we have a bone of contention. That's OK, people disagree. As long as everyone is honest, political disagreements are part of life.

41 albusteve  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:56:54pm

re: #37 freetoken

And good hair, and dresses well if not notably stylishly.

nobody has ever seen his shoes tho...I'm suspicious

42 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:57:15pm

re: #37 freetoken

And good hair, and dresses well if not notably stylishly.

He's also potty trained.

/setting the bar low.

43 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:57:22pm

re: #36 fenrisdesigns

On this poll, or some other site?

On this poll. Watch. Ron Paul's numbers will very quickly outpace the others.

44 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:57:42pm

re: #38 Charles

Mitt Romney showed tonight that he's every bit as extreme and hypocritical as every other GOP candidate.

His statement that he would have let the auto industry go into bankruptcy was absolutely pathetic.

Why do you think that "pathetic"?

/channeling James here

45 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:57:52pm

re: #43 Charles

On this poll. Watch. Ron Paul's numbers will very quickly outpace the others.

You have people voting RonPaul for the fun of it.

46 freetoken  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:57:58pm

re: #38 Charles

I don't know if Bachmann is a hypocrite. She may truly believe everything she says, and believes she is speaking the truth.

47 celticdragon  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:58:42pm

re: #27 Dark_Falcon

ALERT, ALERT! WE HAVE RONULANS SIGHTED OFF THE PORT QUARTER!!

Load the anti-troll torpedoes!

Phaser banks 1 through 5 charged. Torpedos loaded. Enemy troll bearing 350 mk 18 on impulse power. Their shields are down and troll is showing primary hull damage. Permission to engage?

48 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:59:00pm

Oh look, Newt got a vote. How nice.

49 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:59:06pm

re: #44 Dark_Falcon

Why do you think that "pathetic"?

/channeling James here

Because he was simply wrong. If the auto industry had gone into bankruptcy it would have been a gigantic disaster for the economy. Instead, it's a big success, because idiots like Romney didn't get their way.

50 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:59:45pm

re: #45 EmmmieG

You have people voting RonPaul for the fun of it.

I know, but I'm watching other stuff too.

51 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 8:59:51pm

re: #44 Dark_Falcon

Why do you think that "pathetic"?

/channeling James here

You don't get to complain about high unemployment and deficit numbers and still ask this question.

52 Fenris  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:00:04pm

re: #43 Charles

On this poll. Watch. Ron Paul's numbers will very quickly outpace the others.

Now that you mention it, he does seem to be closing in on Romney. Watching this kinda reminds me of a horse race.

Be right back. Popcorn.

53 Henchman Ghazi-808  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:00:18pm

re: #24 Charles

I'll do everything in my power to make sure he doesn't.

You might get some reasonable people tweeting and blogging some well thought out criticism for that.

Or, not.

54 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:00:19pm

Ronulans have the least effective cloaking devices ever.

55 Max  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:00:20pm

Tim Pawlenty was the only candidate up there with a consistent foreign policy. His commitments to the liberation of Libya, the preservation of our successes in Iraq, and his promise to continue the offensive against AQAP demonstrates that he is the only GOP contender who hasn't forgotten the lessons of 9/11.

56 Obdicut  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:01:52pm

re: #55 Max D. Reinhardt

This may be the first election in a long time where the Democrat wins the national security vote.

57 celticdragon  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:02:10pm

re: #49 Charles

Because he was simply wrong. If the auto industry had gone into bankruptcy it would have been a gigantic disaster for the economy. Instead, it's a big success, because idiots like Romney didn't get their way.

Their is no way any President would have allowed the bulk of our heavy manufacturing base to go down the drain for strategic (as in need to make weapons in a major war) reasons alone, let alone the bad press from thousands and thousands of jobs gone.

58 Henchman Ghazi-808  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:02:16pm

Ironic that wingers identify with evolutionary principles when it comes to businesses and poor people. On all other paradigms, Jeebus is the reason for the reasoning!

59 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:02:40pm

Hello Lizards ... After spending more than 2 weeks immersed in the NBA Finals (what a series) ... I waded back into politics with tonight 's debate. Romney was the most presidential and he has the gravitas necessary to throw down with Obama. Obama will slice and dice all of those GOPers ... Except for Romney. I'm sure the President would least like to face Mitt.

60 Max  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:03:00pm

re: #56 Obdicut

This may be the first election in a long time where the Democrat wins the national security vote.

It certainly is possible.

61 Fenris  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:03:07pm

Vanity Fair's got an amusing take posted.

King asked [Newt Gingrich] to choose between Dancing With the Stars and American Idol. For the record, he choose the latter—although how long until divorces it in favor of its younger, flashier update, The Voice?

62 freetoken  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:03:25pm

re: #43 Charles

The US government has intervened plenty of times on the behalf of private companies.

This is done, nominally, so that jobs stay in the US.

A non-trivial portion of our foreign aid goes to countries so they can buy products from American defense companies... which employ many people in congressional districts all over this country.

The US stepped in to save Chrysler over 3 decades ago.

The US used to use import tariffs to protect industries and sometimes specific companies. However, under the movement to expand free trade worldwide and the creation of the WTO the tariff option is mostly gone.

So, those speakers up there tonight were just blowing whistles, hoping their favorite dogs will come yapping.

A great deal of historical revisionism underlies these far right talking points.

63 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:06:06pm

re: #62 freetoken

Yep, I think the smarter ones are well aware that they're peddling complete bullshit. And that means Romney. He's too smart to believe that crap. He was pandering to the idiot Tea Party base, once again.

He's lucky John King didn't have the cojones to bring up the climate change issue.

64 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:07:33pm

re: #47 celticdragon

Phaser banks 1 through 5 charged. Torpedos loaded. Enemy troll bearing 350 mk 18 on impulse power. Their shields are down and troll is showing primary hull damage. Permission to engage?

Blow 'em apart, CD. But try to leave enough Gamey Buttocks intact for the group. At least make sure Charles gets a good portion.

65 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:08:07pm

re: #59 _RememberTonyC

Hello Lizards ... After spending more than 2 weeks immersed in the NBA Finals (what a series) ... I waded back into politics with tonight 's debate. Romney was the most presidential and he has the gravitas necessary to throw down with Obama. Obama will slice and dice all of those GOPers ... Except for Romney. I'm sure the President would least like to face Mitt.

Probably true - they are center-right twins and it's hardest to fight what's in a mirror. Of course that presumes that Mittens swings back to his actual beliefs rather than continuing to pander to the Republican base. If he does that, he'll be as big a pile of shredded wheat as the rest of them.

66 Decider  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:08:49pm

Is there a Republican Candidate that can not just talk the typical Fox News talking points we hear everyday? At least we did not have to endure
"Ronald Reagan" this and "Ronald Reagan" that all night.

Obama wins the debate with Gingrich in second. Gingrich makes them all looks like amateurs. Too bad he can not run a campaign.

67 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:08:52pm

AGORIST ZERG RUSH


RON PAUL FANS STORM LGF TO SOUNDS OF RUSH'S "ANTHEM" ON VINYL


BLIMP PILOTING IS NOT A CRIME

68 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:09:16pm

IT'S THE RE-RELOVEUTION

69 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:09:18pm

re: #55 Max D. Reinhardt

Tim Pawlenty was the only candidate up there with a consistent foreign policy. His commitments to the liberation of Libya, the preservation of our successes in Iraq, and his promise to continue the offensive against AQAP demonstrates that he is the only GOP contender who hasn't forgotten the lessons of 9/11.

Which were?

70 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:10:20pm

ALL INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY FATTIES WITHIN THE SOUND OF MY VOICE


COME VOTE FOR RON PAUL, LET YOUR SQUIDGY SAUSAGE-LIKE FINGERS DO THE CLICKING

71 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:11:00pm

re: #63 Charles

Yep, I think the smarter ones are well aware that they're peddling complete bullshit. And that means Romney. He's too smart to believe that crap. He was pandering to the idiot Tea Party base, once again.

He's lucky John King didn't have the cojones to bring up the climate change issue.

Guys like Romney and to a lesser extent Giuliani need to throw the extremists a bone on occasion or they have NO shot at the nomination. That is just politics. You can see who is sober minded and who is nutty. Although oddly, Michele Bachmann actually acquitted herself reasonably well. Except when she tried to suck up to the host by giving him her big "scoop," which he basically blew off when she made her " announcement.". If you dont get the nomination, you ain't got shit. So the pandering will be part of the game. The Dems do it too.

72 freetoken  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:11:03pm

re: #63 Charles

King failed in so many ways to follow up the statements made by candidates. It seemed that the GOP couldn't have found a more pliable personality to go along with their let's-not-disagree-with-ourselves strategy. The group of them clearly were singing from the same hymnbook on what tonight was supposed to be about.

73 Fenris  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:11:29pm

re: #68 WindUpBird

IT'S THE RE-RELOVEUTION

Or as I call it: Image: over-lution.jpg

74 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:11:34pm

re: #63 Charles

CNN is to news what Taco Bell is to mexican food

75 Targetpractice  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:12:29pm

re: #72 freetoken

King failed in so many ways to follow up the statements made by candidates. It seemed that the GOP couldn't have found a more pliable personality to go along with their let's-not-disagree-with-ourselves strategy. The group of them clearly were singing from the same hymnbook on what tonight was supposed to be about.

With the general theme of the night being "Obama is Bad...Very, VERY Bad."

76 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:12:34pm

re: #73 fenrisdesigns

HAHAHA i've seen that

77 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:13:25pm

re: #75 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

With the general theme of the night being "Obama is Bad...Very, VERY Bad."

he's so very very very not whitey

FROWN GOES GOP WHITEY


FROWN! :(

78 Fenris  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:13:44pm

re: #76 WindUpBird

Shame it couldn't be for a picture that actually loads when clicked. -facepalm-

79 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:13:48pm

re: #70 WindUpBird

ALL INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY FATTIES WITHIN THE SOUND OF MY VOICE

COME VOTE FOR RON PAUL, LET YOUR SQUIDGY SAUSAGE-LIKE FINGERS DO THE CLICKING

Don't mock them too much, WUB . I need some IT people to sign up for the event I'm selling right now. DF needs more money!

80 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:14:05pm

Glad the President was included, else, I wouldn't have been able reach a decision.

81 celticdragon  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:14:14pm

re: #64 Dark_Falcon

Blow 'em apart, CD. But try to leave enough Gamey Buttocks intact for the group. At least make sure Charles gets a good portion.

LMAO! :D

82 freetoken  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:14:20pm

re: #74 WindUpBird

CNN is to news what Taco Bell Godfather's is to mexican food pizza.


Heh... keeping it on topic.

83 HC4BO  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:15:31pm

Personally, I thought that was a pretty forgettable "debate" ...

I am waiting for a Fox GOP debate to really preview the wingnuttery !

84 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:15:49pm

re: #79 Dark_Falcon

Don't mock them too much, WUB . I need some IT people to sign up for the event I'm selling right now. DF needs more money!

some of my best friends are IT people

But they sure ain't libertarians, they're hippies who build all kinds of things, and happen to also build networks

85 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:15:53pm

re: #82 freetoken

Heh... keeping it on topic.

Very good Herman Cain reference there.

86 altermite  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:16:34pm

you know, a year or two ago, I could have sworn that Jindal was gearing up for a run. Just looked around and realized he's nowhere in sight. What gives?

87 celticdragon  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:16:41pm

re: #83 HC4BO

Personally, I thought that was a pretty forgettable "debate" ...

I am waiting for a Fox GOP debate to really preview the wingnuttery !

With columnists from TownHall.com on the after show panel.

Ugh.

88 celticdragon  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:17:17pm

re: #86 altermite

you know, a year or two ago, I could have sworn that Jindal was gearing up for a run. Just looked around and realized he's nowhere in sight. What gives?


He is still working on exterminating science from Louisiana classrooms.

89 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:17:54pm

re: #63 Charles

He's lucky John King didn't have the cojones to bring up the climate change issue.

From what I saw, he didn't have the cojones to bring up anything beyond softball pitches, returned with Tea Party crap.

And I swear on my life, if I hear another "Leno or Conan" type question in any of the future debates, I'll quit and move to another planet.

90 darthstar  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:19:23pm

Damn...I didn't see Obama on there, so I gave it to Bachmann.

91 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:20:27pm

re: #88 celticdragon

He is still working on exterminating science from Louisiana classrooms.

exorcising, actually.

92 Fenris  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:20:47pm

The Blackberry versus iPhone question slayed me; it's like King ran out of socially relevant questions: "And this question is for Ron Paul: chocolate or peanut butter?"

93 celticdragon  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:21:32pm

re: #90 darthstar

Damn...I didn't see Obama on there, so I gave it to Bachmann.


Those Marshall Applewhite sparkly eyes get you every time.

94 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:23:53pm

re: #88 celticdragon

He is still working on exterminating science from Louisiana classrooms.

He hasn't had time to do much lately other than deal with the floods and their aftermath. He's not dumb enough to be in Iowa while parts of his state are underwater. Jindal has learned the PR lessons of Katrina, so he won't get involved in the presidential race until the cleanup is progressing well.

95 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:24:01pm

re: #86 altermite

you know, a year or two ago, I could have sworn that Jindal was gearing up for a run. Just looked around and realized he's nowhere in sight. What gives?

he's busy trying to press the eucharist into the forehead of an aborted fetus?

he's exorcising the demons from the Louisiana GOP chair's Lincoln Town car?

...he realized his party's probably not going to vote for a guy who isn't white in the primary?

96 Bubblehead II  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:24:57pm

re: #43 Charles

On this poll. Watch. Ron Paul's numbers will very quickly outpace the others.

Is this an open poll or only available to those of us who have registered?

I ask this as I am curious as to how many paulbots are still slithering amongst us.

97 ElCapitanAmerica  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:25:19pm

How can the Pizza guy try to impress anybody with his corporate America credentials?

When he says how interviews work in the corporate world, he misses the part about how any responsible corporations trains their employees to not bring up religion at all, I would know as I interview quite a few people.

That a former CEO would not know this (or lie about it, more likely ...) show how irresponsible he is. Shame on King (who I like) for not asking a fair follow up question on how companies would not allow this because it would open them up for a big juicy discrimination lawsuit!

And Newt ... the irony. Look I'm Catholic, and Newt as a new convert should know that many of our fundamentalist "friends" don't like the whole obedience to the papacy bit. How can he suggest loyalty tests in the context of a previous Catholic president being questioned about this because of his faith? And how can King not even do the decent follow up, and relevant question on this???

98 windsagio  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:27:09pm

re: #70 WindUpBird

she did put a pie on her head. LOOK OUT! it is a TRAP FOR FATTYS!!!

99 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:27:24pm

re: #96 Bubblehead II

Is this an open poll or only available to those of us who have registered?

I ask this as I am curious as to how many paulbots are still slithering amongst us.

It's open, and the referral page shows that the ronpaulforums.com crowd is already on it.

100 freetoken  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:27:33pm

re: #87 celticdragon

Hosted by "The Judge", with the panel consisting of:

Pamela Geller
Joe Farah

101 Velvet Elvis  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:27:35pm

Newt is the only one who showed any intelligence or competency, and that's really fucking sad.

102 McSpiff  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:29:08pm

To the GOP,

As a Canadian liberal, I'd like to thank you. You just made the next four years of Steven Harper infinitely easier. Could always be worse...

103 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:29:33pm

re: #97 ElCapitanAmerica

How can the Pizza guy try to impress anybody with his corporate America credentials?

When he says how interviews work in the corporate world, he misses the part about how any responsible corporations trains their employees to not bring up religion at all, I would know as I interview quite a few people.

That a former CEO would not know this (or lie about it, more likely ...) show how irresponsible he is. Shame on King (who I like) for not asking a fair follow up question on how companies would not allow this because it would open them up for a big juicy discrimination lawsuit!

And Newt ... the irony. Look I'm Catholic, and Newt as a new convert should know that many of our fundamentalist "friends" don't like the whole obedience to the papacy bit. How can he suggest loyalty tests in the context of a previous Catholic president being questioned about this because of his faith? And how can King not even do the decent follow up, and relevant question on this???

And before Kennedy, the anti-Catholicism of Know-Nothings, which explicitly cited the idea of "loyalty to the Papacy" as a suspect and un-American trait.

Newt is full of it with his taqiyya stuff; he knows he's misrepresenting and using scare tactics. There's no sincerity there--Islamophobia is just the fast cheap way to score points.

104 celticdragon  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:29:42pm

re: #94 Dark_Falcon

He hasn't had time to do much lately other than deal with the floods and their aftermath. He's not dumb enough to be in Iowa while parts of his state are underwater. Jindal has learned the PR lessons of Katrina, so he won't get involved in the presidential race until the cleanup is progressing well.

True. I still remember his not so distant efforts to put creationism in classrooms, however...to say nothing of his gobsmacking disdain for monitoring volcanoes.

105 Bubblehead II  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:29:45pm

re: #99 Charles

It's open, and the referral page shows that the ronpaulforums.com crowd is already on it.

Thanks. In other words, The same Pavlovian behavior we have come to know and despise. Somethings never change.

106 Velvet Elvis  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:29:54pm

Fred Thompson could still enter the race late in the game. That's his style.

Is he still alive?

107 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:30:13pm

re: #97 ElCapitanAmerica

And how can King not even do the decent follow up, and relevant question on this???

Because asking the "Dancing with the Stars or American Idol" question is far more important to understanding how a potential candidate will govern.

FUCK YOU CNN!

108 darthstar  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:30:18pm

re: #74 WindUpBird

CNN is to news what Taco Bell is to mexican food

I just quoted you as my facebook status.

109 Fenris  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:30:46pm

re: #92 fenrisdesigns

Though actually, that might be mildly interesting to hear in the presidential debates. Didn't Obama use a Blackberry during his '08 campaign?

110 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:32:00pm

Ahem. Missing sentence from #103:

Newt has no pragmatic motive to call out Cain on his loyalty oath stuff, since they are both exploiting Scary Muslims as a meme.

111 Lidane  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:32:02pm

re: #106 Conservative Moonbat

Fred Thompson could still enter the race late in the game. That's his style.

Is he still alive?

He's alive. The question is, has he come out of his 2008 coma yet?

112 celticdragon  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:32:06pm

Wild eyes Bachmann is starting to gain ground on Ronpaul. (Easier to just say it as one word)

This could be fun.

113 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:32:58pm

re: #98 windsagio

she did put a pie on her head. LOOK OUT! it is a TRAP FOR FATTYS!!!

XDXDXDXDXD

114 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:33:15pm

re: #108 darthstar

I just quoted you as my facebook status.

cheers :D

115 darthstar  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:33:32pm

re: #109 fenrisdesigns

Though actually, that might be mildly interesting to hear in the presidential debates. Didn't Obama use a Blackberry during his '08 campaign?

Obama still uses a blackberry. It's basically a phone with email functionality. And it's good for sending people pictures of your penis, though I doubt that's why he uses it.

116 celticdragon  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:34:06pm

re: #107 Slumbering Behemoth

Because asking the "Dancing with the Stars or American Idol" question is far more important to understanding how a potential candidate will govern.

FUCK YOU CNN!

CNN is the symptom. The degeneracy of our American democratic institutions and polity is the disease.

117 ElCapitanAmerica  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:35:04pm

re: #110 The Ghost of a Flea

Ahem. Missing sentence from #103:

Newt has no pragmatic motive to call out Cain on his loyalty oath stuff, since they are both exploiting Scary Muslims as a meme.

Yeah I think Newt is the worse one here, because he knows how intellectually dishonest he is being. That's just pure evil.

Cain I don't know. Guy can't be that stupid, but then again this is the guy that has the gall to lecture our president on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict but has never heard of the issue about the "right of return". He also confuses the Constitution with the Bill of Rights.

But I would expect him to get "corporate America" interviewing bits well, as he was a CEO ... I think somebody should investigate the hiring practices at Godfather's Pizza, specially during his tenure.

118 Alexzander  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:35:36pm

re: #116 celticdragon

CNN is the symptom. The degeneracy of our American democratic institutions and polity is the disease.

Quoted for truth.

119 Alexzander  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:36:16pm

re: #115 darthstar

Obama still uses a blackberry. It's basically a phone with email functionality. And it's good for sending people pictures of your penis, though I doubt that's why he uses it.

I'm going to be Waterloo, Ontario for a couple days this week; birthplace of the Blackberry.

120 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:38:01pm

So, the election is already won by the Democrats --can we just save a lot of time and money by declaring it now? I don't think I can stand this election cycle. I'll probably have to immerse myself in literature for another 4 years.

Listening to I Claudius (audiobook version) and I'm enjoying it.

How are you-all?

121 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:39:06pm

LGF is always referred to as a "conservative blog." I wonder how the Liberal Blogs thought the debate turned out?

122 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:41:13pm

re: #116 celticdragon

CNN is the symptom. The degeneracy of our American democratic institutions and polity is the disease.

It's a symbiotic relationship.

And if we're gonna have to tolerate "Leno or Conan" idiocy, I move we just say fuck it and make all future debates consist of nothing but The Dozens.

123 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:41:16pm

re: #121 reuven

LGF is always referred to as a "conservative blog." I wonder how the Liberal Blogs thought the debate turned out?

I always think of LGF as the "honey badger" blog. Which would be why I'm here.

124 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:41:23pm

re: #120 ggt

So, the election is already won by the Democrats --can we just save a lot of time and money by declaring it now? I don't think I can stand this election cycle. I'll probably have to immerse myself in literature for another 4 years.

Listening to I Claudius (audiobook version) and I'm enjoying it.

How are you-all?

Not to be twitchy and paranoid, but what with the voter caging, redistricting, and new laws effecting how people vote being advanced in multiple states, I'm a little tentative about calling this for the Dems.

125 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:43:06pm

Four more things of Barack Obama wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. It's certainly better than any option I've seen so far.

126 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:43:09pm

re: #124 The Ghost of a Flea

Not to be twitchy and paranoid, but what with the voter caging, redistricting, and new laws effecting how people vote being advanced in multiple states, I'm a little tentative about calling this for the Dems.

Frankly, if they just keep the Planned Parenthood issue at the forefront, they will have no problem. IMHO

127 celticdragon  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:43:16pm

I hate to get grim about this...but what are we supposed to expect from our own democracy at this point? We as a people cannot even reliably pass even a cursory exam on basic civics or American history. Huge swathes of the population are being badly mislead on simple facts related to our Revolution and formation of the Constitution in an era when correct information has never been easier to come by.

We habitually elect wastrels, scoundrels, rakes, grafters and imbeciles to represent us, and then reward their lies after they work to undermine and subvert the very institutions we sent them to repair.

We have our democracy only as long as we are clever enought to keep it. I am not particularly bullish on the odds, to be perfectly frank.

128 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:43:40pm

re: #119 Alexzander

I'm going to be Waterloo, Ontario for a couple days this week...

Sounds like a lot of work, and a lot of responsibility. But what would I know, I've never been a Canadian city before.

129 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:43:54pm

re: #120 ggt

I adore I Claudius and Claudius the God, btw. The BBC series also rules: Derek Jakobi is Claudius, BRIAN BLESSED is Augustus, and about 75% of the British actors of the 70s and 80s are in there somewhere.

130 celticdragon  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:45:05pm

sigh

I'm getting tired. My writing skills are starting to really suck.

131 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:46:39pm

re: #127 celticdragon

I hate to get grim about this...but what are we supposed to expect from our own democracy at this point? We as a people cannot even reliably pass even a cursory exam on basic civics or American history. Huge swathes of the population are being badly mislead on simple facts related to our Revolution and formation of the Constitution in an era when correct information has never been easier to come by.

We habitually elect wastrels, scoundrels, rakes, grafters and imbeciles to represent us, and then reward their lies after they work to undermine and subvert the very institutions we sent them to repair.

We have our democracy only as long as we are clever enought to keep it. I am not particularly bullish on the odds, to be perfectly frank.

Yeah, I've been thinking on those lines a lot myself lately. . . .. I'm wondering if there doesn't come a time when a country is too large to be what we consider a classic representative democracy. We may have to come-up with a totally new form of government.

I do think it is important to keep as much power separated as possible. At least a two party system, state sovereignty to some extent, a 3 branches and all.

AT some point, individuals will have to stop looking to government to solve problems too, but exactly where the line is to be drawn, I don't know. There are alot of abuses of the court system and far too many people in prison.

132 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:47:06pm

With all due respect to the mentally ill, I think I found the perfect person to debate Sarah Palin, if that time ever comes:

133 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:47:23pm

re: #129 The Ghost of a Flea

I adore I Claudius and Claudius the God, btw. The BBC series also rules: Derek Jakobi is Claudius, BRIAN BLESSED is Augustus, and about 75% of the British actors of the 70s and 80s are in there somewhere.

AFter I finish the books, I"ll rent the movie series.

I'm off my Sci-fi bent and onto a Rome one.

134 darthstar  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:48:19pm

Peanutweet.com

Image: tumblr_llrqi1kxkp1qewxco.jpg

Random tweets someone is pairing with Peanuts cartoons.

135 celticdragon  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:48:38pm

I'm exhausted. Good night, scaly friends.

136 darthstar  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:49:06pm

re: #134 darthstar

Peanutweet.com

Image: tumblr_llrqi1kxkp1qewxco.jpg

Random tweets someone is pairing with Peanuts cartoons.

Sorry...the link should be [Link: peanutweeter.com...]

137 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:50:46pm

re: #127 celticdragon

I hate to get grim about this...but what are we supposed to expect from our own democracy at this point? We as a people cannot even reliably pass even a cursory exam on basic civics or American history. Huge swathes of the population are being badly mislead on simple facts related to our Revolution and formation of the Constitution in an era when correct information has never been easier to come by.

Well when you put it like that, it makes my Weiner shrivel in depression.

Oh, and it's not a democracy, it's "a republic, if you can keep it".

138 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:52:20pm

I think the big issues right now, as far as trusting government, are the social issues. It seems that many people, whether they realize it or not, really do want a theocracy. They want to control sexuality (not their own). THey think government is the way to do that.

Like I said, individiual responsibility.

I think there are a lot of co-dependent people out there who think OTHER PEOPLE's behavior determines the outcome of their souls. The faith I grew-up in (RC) made the concept of "free-will" pretty clear.

139 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:52:47pm

Goodnight, all.

140 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:53:58pm

re: #137 Slumbering Behemoth

Well when you put it like that, it makes my Weiner shrivel in depression.

Oh, and it's not a democracy, it's "a republic, if you can keep it".

yeah, I failed to mention that In my post above. I think we've long outgrown the Republic concept. We are a representative Democracy within a Democracy. Meaning we have citizenship at both a State and Federal Level. Soon, we may see it expand to a Continent or Global level as well.

Very confusing for the average bear.

141 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:53:59pm

re: #139 Dark_Falcon

Goodnight, all.

Goodnight big daddy.

142 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:56:49pm

Then again, we could all go to war over oil, lose electricity and fall back into anarchy.

An asteroid could hit a nearby planet, throwing our orbit off . . .

The rapture could actually happen . . .

bwaahahahahahahaha

Seriously, the future is uncertain. I try to roll with the punches.

143 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 9:58:35pm

re: #134 darthstar

Peanutweet.com

Image: tumblr_llrqi1kxkp1qewxco.jpg

Random tweets someone is pairing with Peanuts cartoons.

Ahahaha! Eating etiquette. I am forever telling certain people who talk with their mouths full "I can hear what your food is saying, but I can't understand you".

144 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 10:07:21pm

re: #127 celticdragon

I hate to get grim about this...but what are we supposed to expect from our own democracy at this point? We as a people cannot even reliably pass even a cursory exam on basic civics or American history. Huge swathes of the population are being badly mislead on simple facts related to our Revolution and formation of the Constitution in an era when correct information has never been easier to come by.

We habitually elect wastrels, scoundrels, rakes, grafters and imbeciles to represent us, and then reward their lies after they work to undermine and subvert the very institutions we sent them to repair.

We have our democracy only as long as we are clever enought to keep it. I am not particularly bullish on the odds, to be perfectly frank.

Glibness aside, this scares the shit out of me. Not so much the Brawndo Factor as the fact that clever people are exploiting this level of ignorance--and not just in politics--to advance an agenda that is against the interests of the citizenry of the US.

145 Velvet Elvis  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 10:09:13pm

If it's going to be a blow-out for Obama, I'm voting third party.

Not Nader but maybe if the Greens up a legit candidate.

146 Velvet Elvis  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 10:09:50pm

re: #145 Conservative Moonbat

If it's going to be a blow-out for Obama, I'm voting third party.

Not Nader but maybe if the Greens up a legit candidate.

put up. PIMF

147 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 10:10:32pm

re: #140 ggt

So it's either this...

re: #142 ggt

... or this?

Great. I'm moving to Pluto.
/

148 Fenris  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 10:11:38pm

re: #145 Conservative Moonbat

If it's going to be a blow-out for Obama, I'm voting third party.

Not Nader but maybe if the Greens up a legit candidate.

If the greens reconsider their position on Israel, they're a maybe for me.

149 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 10:13:44pm

re: #147 Slumbering Behemoth

So it's either this...

re: #142 ggt

... or this?

Great. I'm moving to Pluto.
/

You can't go to Pluto, maybe Vesta, but not Pluto.

No, probably something none of us can imagine will happen.

150 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 10:15:49pm

re: #144 The Ghost of a Flea

Not so much the Brawndo Factor as the fact that clever people are exploiting this level of ignorance--and not just in politics--

As It Is, As It Will Be, As It Ever Has Been.

151 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 10:16:30pm

re: #150 Slumbering Behemoth

As It Is, As It Will Be, As It Ever Has Been.

SSDD?

Well, then, I'm off to bed.

Have a great morning all!

152 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 10:22:45pm

Well, i see Ron Paul is starting to log in some votes.
Stormfront must have found out about the poll.

153 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 10:29:23pm

re: #136 darthstar

Sorry...the link should be [Link: peanutweeter.com...]

Damnit! What new hell is this?!?

154 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 10:30:06pm

re: #150 Slumbering Behemoth

As It Is, As It Will Be, As It Ever Has Been.

I guess I'm inured to a certain degree of this--actually, I spent enough of my childhood around gypsies to appreciate a good con--but the current turn has me worried. The Religious Right is looking for a permanent majority and, sorry as I am to say this, if they get it things are going to get ugly. Their particular strain of Christianity is built upon a strong authoritarian model in which a few individuals are the fast-and-loose arbitors of guilt and innocence, combining with a fetishization of the world's end: between the two, people are going to get hurt.

155 freetoken  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 10:34:49pm

re: #152 Cankles McCellulite

Well, the Young Americans for Liberty site sent someone to the poll... so yeah, the Paul-bots are at work.

156 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 10:35:10pm

re: #154 The Ghost of a Flea

I think you're completely underselling the concept. Armageddon is the game, and if that faction gains control, it will be a self fulfilling prophecy.

157 Alexzander  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 10:39:08pm

re: #155 freetoken

Well, the Young Americans for Liberty site sent someone to the poll... so yeah, the Paul-bots are at work.

I'm actually surprised at how many people didn't bother to vote on the poll (only 317 votes right now, for over 1,800 page views).

158 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 10:40:00pm

re: #157 Alexzander

I'm actually surprised at how many people didn't bother to vote on the poll (only 317 votes right now, for over 1,800 page views).

I'm still not drunk enough yet. I'll get there. Maybe.

159 Summer Seale  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 10:45:06pm

re: #123 ggt

I always think of LGF as the "honey badger" blog. Which would be why I'm here.

Two things:

1) I think that's a great rotating title: LGF is the Honey Badger Blog.

2) I wish I could upding that a few dozen times. =)

160 Alexzander  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 10:45:46pm

re: #158 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm still not drunk enough yet. I'll get there. Maybe.

I'm entirely sober tonight. Had a late meeting for my volunteer job.

161 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 10:47:35pm

re: #160 Alexzander

In that case, I am sorry for you for two reasons. Was the meeting at least productive? And if you don't mind me asking, what kind of volunteer work do you do?

162 Alexzander  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 10:49:32pm

re: #161 Slumbering Behemoth

supervisor at a homeless shelter once or twice a week.
The meeting was surprisingly productive, as far as meetings go. But long.

163 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 11:00:29pm

re: #162 Alexzander

Commendable, good sir. And despite having only been gainfully homeless for a couple of months here or there throughout my life, I feel confident in saying homelessness sucks.

164 freetoken  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 11:30:34pm

Well, the Romney-ites are keeping ahead of the Paul-bots, but not by much. I wonder if during the wee hours of the morning the Paul-bots will gang up sufficiently to make their man #2 on the list.

165 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 11:32:01pm

re: #28 freetoken

I voted for Ron Paul simply because I think his own personal goal is to stay relevant and not be forgotten in his old age. Thus doing what he did tonight serves his ego well - he gets cheers, lots of people recognize him, and no one will forget him.

Thus, Paul got what he needed tonight.

It's better to burn out than to fade away?

//

166 Alexzander  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 11:34:44pm

re: #164 freetoken

Well, the Romney-ites are keeping ahead of the Paul-bots, but not by much. I wonder if during the wee hours of the morning the Paul-bots will gang up sufficiently to make their man #2 on the list.

As of right now, only 46 people have voted for Ron Paul, and undoubtedly many were doing it for the lulz.
Hardly anything to get your arms up in the air about.

167 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 11:34:57pm

re: #48 EmmmieG

Oh look, Newt got a vote. How nice.

My parents, lifelong and unmovable Democrats, were discussing this during dinner, without any intention of watching it, trying to remember who was a candidate.

They can't always remember the names. So it's "the woman from Minnesota who looks kind of like Palin", and "that guy who runs the pizza chain", and "the crazy old guy". They can name Romney, Huntsman and Newt.

168 Henchman Ghazi-808  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 11:35:27pm

Voting for Rondo in online poles is my guilty little pleasure.

169 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 11:37:25pm

re: #86 altermite

you know, a year or two ago, I could have sworn that Jindal was gearing up for a run. Just looked around and realized he's nowhere in sight. What gives?

He lost a lot of altitude after the SOTU rebuttal a couple years ago. I can't tell if he thinks he may make a comeback with the class of 2015, or if he's just toast.

It's hard to tell these days.

I think he may be too short to campaign effectively.

170 Alexzander  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 11:37:52pm

re: #168 BigPapa

Voting for Rondo in online poles is my guilty little pleasure.

Same. It seriously gives me a huge trollish grin.

171 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 11:38:26pm

re: #164 freetoken

Well, the Romney-ites are keeping ahead of the Paul-bots, but not by much. I wonder if during the wee hours of the morning the Paul-bots will gang up sufficiently to make their man #2 on the list.

Bachmann has only ten fewer votes. I was happier when my only connectible reference to that name was a Stephen King pseudonym.

172 Alexzander  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 11:39:07pm

re: #169 SanFranciscoZionist

He lost a lot of altitude after the SOTU rebuttal a couple years ago. I can't tell if he thinks he may make a comeback with the class of 2015, or if he's just toast.

It's hard to tell these days.

I think he may be too short to campaign effectively.

I suspect he will wait perhaps even a decade or two. He's young.

173 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 11:39:39pm

re: #169 SanFranciscoZionist

I think he may be too short to campaign effectively.

Jebus! Enough with the Weiner jokes already.
/

174 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 11:40:55pm

re: #129 The Ghost of a Flea

I adore I Claudius and Claudius the God, btw. The BBC series also rules: Derek Jakobi is Claudius, BRIAN BLESSED is Augustus, and about 75% of the British actors of the 70s and 80s are in there somewhere.

Why do English actors always end up playing Romans? They don't look a thing like the statues.

175 Alexzander  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 11:42:29pm

re: #174 SanFranciscoZionist

Why do English actors always end up playing Romans? They don't look a thing like the statues.

They invoke an antiquated declining empire in the American psyche?

176 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 11:43:07pm

re: #169 SanFranciscoZionist

He lost a lot of altitude after the SOTU rebuttal a couple years ago. I can't tell if he thinks he may make a comeback with the class of 2015, or if he's just toast.

It's hard to tell these days.

I think he may be too short to campaign effectively.

Also, his account of his involvement in a college exorcism scares me worse than Michelle Bachmann thinking that God gives her husband messages for her.

177 Alexzander  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 11:45:50pm

re: #176 SanFranciscoZionist

Weird I haven't heard the exorcism story.

178 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 11:46:47pm

Nothing to fear from the coming robot Apocalypse.

/Curse you, Darthstar. As if I didn't already enough time wasting internet diversions.

179 Henchman Ghazi-808  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 11:47:14pm

I listened to 80% of the GOP Sacred Cow Hoedown BBQ and cannot pick the best quote. So many good ones.

180 freetoken  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 11:47:50pm

re: #171 Slumbering Behemoth

Bachmann has only ten fewer votes.

The HotWingnuts crowd. Paul gets the neo-confederates, Bachmann the theocrats, Romney the "remnants" (those who still think they can find a future in the GOP).

The rest of us just have fun and vote for whomever.

181 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 11:48:44pm

re: #176 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, his account of his involvement in a college exorcism scares me worse than Michelle Bachmann thinking that God gives her husband messages for her.

Worthy of note: it was an exorcism that also cured cancer. Big Pharma needs to get a piece of that action.

182 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 11:49:29pm

re: #177 Alexzander

Weird I haven't heard the exorcism story.

[Link: blow.blogs.nytimes.com...]

I do not object to belief in demons. I do not object to the power of prayer.

What I do object to is that in no version of the story I have read did anyone think to call a goddamn ambulance.

183 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 11:50:41pm

re: #180 freetoken

I hope Romney wins the GOP NOM, just to further piss off the backwards, christian fundamentalists.

184 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 11:52:30pm

re: #183 Slumbering Behemoth

I hope Romney wins the GOP NOM, just to further piss off the backwards, christian fundamentalists.

He's certainly the one who inspires me least, when imagining him as president, to rub my head and mutter 'say what again?'

185 Henchman Ghazi-808  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 11:53:10pm
186 Henchman Ghazi-808  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 11:54:44pm

Mitt Rino 2012!

187 Alexzander  Mon, Jun 13, 2011 11:59:40pm

Anyone still anticpate a late entry to the GOP field?
I personally think Sarah isn't really planning a run at this point.

I'm also surprised Huntsman didn't bother to attend this debate.

188 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 12:03:00am

re: #185 BigPapa

"I'm fine. Really. Stop staring at me".

189 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 12:04:24am

re: #187 Alexzander

Anyone still anticpate a late entry to the GOP field?
I personally think Sarah isn't really planning a run at this point.

I'm also surprised Huntsman didn't bother to attend this debate.

God alone knows. There is no plan. No one is at the throttle of the Tea Party Express. ANYTHING could happen.

190 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 12:07:26am

re: #188 Slumbering Behemoth

The Manslater voice reminds me of Strong Bad.

191 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 12:10:18am

re: #182 SanFranciscoZionist

[Link: blow.blogs.nytimes.com...]

I do not object to belief in demons. I do not object to the power of prayer.

What I do object to is that in no version of the story I have read did anyone think to call a goddamn ambulance.

Story of my mother attending, as a courtesy, a Pentecostal church service with a colleague from work.

Fellow gets "smitten" by the Spirit, as they say, and falls out in the pews. Mother rushes over, tries to stabilize him, and calls out for someone to please "call a goddamned ambulance" for the guy. Thinks he's having a seizure.

192 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 12:15:32am

And how are all the scaly ones this fine evening?

Me, I'm just peachy. Fewer fiddles could be fitter, as it were. Had a good long sleep after tea with the Rabbi and Rebbetzin (and yes, I did call her that, primarily to tweak the Rabbi a bit). Got some useful insight on the situation and on myself from the whole thing.

And just now, loaded on B&B (the preferred tipple of an old love of mine, and so a bit of a nostalgia trip in progress) and have finished re-reading Aristotle's Poetics. A nice evening.

193 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 12:16:16am

re: #191 Guanxi88

Story of my mother attending, as a courtesy, a Pentecostal church service with a colleague from work.

Fellow gets "smitten" by the Spirit, as they say, and falls out in the pews. Mother rushes over, tries to stabilize him, and calls out for someone to please "call a goddamned ambulance" for the guy. Thinks he's having a seizure.

Oh dear.

The shul I used to belong to, they had handouts for visiting gentiles to explain how the service worked.

That might be a good idea for these folks too.

194 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 12:17:25am

So, some sort of shin-dig, hoe-down, or political agon happened today, I understand?

Think of it as the People's Choice Awards - largely irrelevant - and it will bother you far less.

But pity such as I, who may be required to cast a ballot for such as these.

195 Kragar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 12:18:18am

re: #192 Guanxi88

And how are all the scaly ones this fine evening?

Me, I'm just peachy. Fewer fiddles could be fitter, as it were. Had a good long sleep after tea with the Rabbi and Rebbetzin (and yes, I did call her that, primarily to tweak the Rabbi a bit). Got some useful insight on the situation and on myself from the whole thing.

And just now, loaded on B&B (the preferred tipple of an old love of mine, and so a bit of a nostalgia trip in progress) and have finished re-reading Aristotle's Poetics. A nice evening.

Stayed up too late replaying bioshock 2, trying for the evil ending this time.

196 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 12:20:04am

re: #193 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh dear.

The shul I used to belong to, they had handouts for visiting gentiles to explain how the service worked.

That might be a good idea for these folks too.

I was privileged once to attend a service of a Church of God with Signs and Wonders (commonly called "snake-handlers") congregation.

Mysticism is everywhere - we understand and appreciate the ecstatic practices of shamans in the Amazon, but look down our collective noses at such things when our own neighbors are involved. A peculiarity of Man's disposition - we are more open to the strange than to the familiar.

197 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 12:21:18am

re: #195 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Stayed up too late replaying bioshock 2, trying for the evil ending this time.

I think you had more fun than I did. Last game like that I played was the original Half-Life. Before that? Duke Nukem

198 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 12:23:24am

re: #196 Guanxi88

I was privileged once to attend a service of a Church of God with Signs and Wonders (commonly called "snake-handlers") congregation.

Mysticism is everywhere - we understand and appreciate the ecstatic practices of shamans in the Amazon, but look down our collective noses at such things when our own neighbors are involved. A peculiarity of Man's disposition - we are more open to the strange than to the familiar.

I'm OK with both, but while the team prays over your possessed classmate, the prudent thing to do is to call the ambulance, lest it just be a psychotic break.

You can keep praying on the way to the hospital.

199 Kragar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 12:23:30am

re: #197 Guanxi88

I think you had more fun than I did. Last game like that I played was the original Half-Life. Before that? Duke Nukem

Never played the original HL, and not a Duke fan.

200 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 12:24:34am

I'm thinking to buy an MP3 player - about 15 years too late, I know. But neither Fritz the Diesel Death-Snail nor Gary (named for Spongebob's pet snail) the Metro have the ability to play CD's, and I find myself wishing to listen to my music as I putter around the roads here.

Any thoughts along these lines?

201 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 12:25:52am

re: #199 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Never played the original HL, and not a Duke fan.

HL was, for me, amazing, but then, I'm easily impressed by high-tech stuff like that. Duke was a freebie, and better than Doom, and I found it rather cathartic, blasting mutant boars and so forth.

202 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 12:27:37am

re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm OK with both, but while the team prays over your possessed classmate, the prudent thing to do is to call the ambulance, lest it just be a psychotic break.

You can keep praying on the way to the hospital.

Sadly, though, people tend toward an all-or-none type of thing. It's either all in the Hand of God, or none of it is, whereas, of course, it's both. The Lord sent manna, but the people still had to go out and pick it up themselves.

203 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 12:31:10am

re: #190 BigPapa

One of my ex's could have benefited from a female version of the Manslater.

She: "What's wrong"?

Me: "Huh? Nuthin's wrong".

:a few minutes later:

S: "C'mon, just tell me what's wrong".

M: "What"?

:a few more minutes pass:

S: "Why won't you tell me what's wrong"?

M: "Nothing. Is. Wrong. Why are you buggin' on me"?

S: "Because you look depressed, and I want you to tell me what is wrong with you".

M: "I'm not depressed. This is just what my stupid face looks like when it's at rest. Relax. I don't hate you, my life, my job (okay, maybe my job), but I'm cool. Nothing is wrong".

:a few more minutes pass:

S: "WHY WON'T YOU TALK TO ME"?!?!

M: "What? I've been talking to you. I don't get it".

S: "WHY WON'T YOU JUST TELL ME WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND"?!?!

M: "Sweetheart, I'm a guy, so trust me when I say this. Right now THERE IS NOTHING ON MY MIND"!

204 freetoken  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 12:32:32am
205 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 12:32:47am

re: #203 Slumbering Behemoth

Lord, how many fights with the Bitter Half have started just that way?

206 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 12:35:03am

re: #199 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Never played the original HL

:opens up little black gamer book:

"Kragar, minus eleventy".

207 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 12:36:00am

re: #203 Slumbering Behemoth

Could always go all TS Eliot on the little lady, when she starts that kinda stuff:

'My nerves are bad to-night. Yes, bad. Stay with me.
'Speak to me. Why do you never speak? Speak.
'What are you thinking of? What thinking? What?
'I never know what you are thinking. Think.'

I think we are in rats' alley
Where the dead men lost their bones.

Lay THAT on her and see what she says.

208 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 12:36:22am

re: #203 Slumbering Behemoth

One of my ex's could have benefited from a female version of the Manslater.

She: "What's wrong"?

Me: "Huh? Nuthin's wrong".

:a few minutes later:

S: "C'mon, just tell me what's wrong".

M: "What"?

:a few more minutes pass:

S: "Why won't you tell me what's wrong"?

M: "Nothing. Is. Wrong. Why are you buggin' on me"?

S: "Because you look depressed, and I want you to tell me what is wrong with you".

M: "I'm not depressed. This is just what my stupid face looks like when it's at rest. Relax. I don't hate you, my life, my job (okay, maybe my job), but I'm cool. Nothing is wrong".

:a few more minutes pass:

S: "WHY WON'T YOU TALK TO ME"?!?!

M: "What? I've been talking to you. I don't get it".

S: "WHY WON'T YOU JUST TELL ME WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND"?!?!

M: "Sweetheart, I'm a guy, so trust me when I say this. Right now THERE IS NOTHING ON MY MIND"!

I have learned to believe my husband when he says that, although it still strikes me as deeply bizarre. Are men supposed to activate the 'uncanny valley' reaction in women?

209 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 12:37:44am

re: #208 SanFranciscoZionist

I have learned to believe my husband when he says that, although it still strikes me as deeply bizarre. Are men supposed to activate the 'uncanny valley' reaction in women?

Yes, yes we are. Uncanny is unheimlich, and we all know that it is women who make the home; men, therefore, are not heimlich, as it were, and therefore, the natural home of the unheimlich. (Channeling Heidegger.)

210 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 12:41:13am

re: #208 SanFranciscoZionist

I'll add, too, that there seems to be an at-times unbridgeable chasm between what men think and what women think they should think, and that any efforts to bridge that gap must inevitably result in some measure of fear, revulsion, or anger for both parties. This is why it is always better to say "nothing" if you're the male half of the sketch - no answer, no matter how true, will be correct, intelligible, or satisfying to the other.

211 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 12:43:25am

re: #210 Guanxi88

I'll add, too, that there seems to be an at-times unbridgeable chasm between what men think and what women think they should think, and that any efforts to bridge that gap must inevitably result in some measure of fear, revulsion, or anger for both parties. This is why it is always better to say "nothing" if you're the male half of the sketch - no answer, no matter how true, will be correct, intelligible, or satisfying to the other.

I just find it fascinating. Occasionally, I will realize that he really, sincerely, is wired in a way I totally do not comprehend...I mean, we LOOK like the same species. Far less gender dimorphism than many other mammals.

212 Alexzander  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 12:44:35am

re: #209 Guanxi88

Yes, yes we are. Uncanny is unheimlich, and we all know that it is women who make the home; men, therefore, are not heimlich, as it were, and therefore, the natural home of the unheimlich. (Channeling Heidegger.)

Read a lot of Heidegger?

213 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 12:45:32am

re: #208 SanFranciscoZionist

I have learned to believe my husband when he says that, although it still strikes me as deeply bizarre. Are men supposed to activate the 'uncanny valley' reaction in women?

Dearest SFZ, when you spontaneously ask your man "What are you thinking?", and he says "Nothing", nine times out of ten that is the truth.

That other one time? The answer would most likely be "Tits".

But I do have a strike against me. When at rest, my face looks like that of a sadly depressed mook. At least to overly sensitive girlfriends. To strangers at a bar, it looks like "angry asshole trying to mad-dog me".

I've learned to maintain a constant, mild smile whenever I am in public. When I remember to, at least.

214 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 12:46:55am

re: #211 SanFranciscoZionist

In some ways (though not many) I do pity my poor wife. Add to the usual complications the fact that she's hitched to a fellow whose neurology (according to the overpaid experts) is decidedly atypical, and communication between us becomes at times almost impossible.

She's learned not to ask "What are you thinking?" because the answers I provide make no sense to her, and often leave her even more confused than she was before. And she certainly knows not to ask "But how do you feel about X, Y, or Z?" because often I have no feelings about X, Y, or Z at all, and the very lack of sentiment only enrages her.

215 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 12:47:46am

re: #212 Alexzander

Read a lot of Heidegger?

And how! Re-read "Parmenides" last month, and am still trying to slog through Being and Time - I've been trying for about 20 years now to finish it.

216 Alexzander  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 12:49:36am

re: #215 Guanxi88

And how! Re-read "Parmenides" last month, and am still trying to slog through Being and Time - I've been trying for about 20 years now to finish it.

I slogged through Being and Time with a reading group three or so years ago. Truthfully, I wouldn't have made it without the group and I certainly didn't read the whole thing by myself.

BTW - I suspect simply reading Heidegger may result in some atypical neurology.

217 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 12:50:50am

re: #212 Alexzander

Read a lot of Heidegger?

As Strauss, the teacher of my teachers notes, his was the greatest philosophical mind of modern times; he was a colossus of the intellect, and yet was wholly blind to evil when it stared him in the face. This makes him worthy of study on a number of levels.

218 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 12:51:25am

re: #214 Guanxi88

I used to get a lot of "YOUR APATHY DISGUSTS ME"!!!

Had I been a little less indifferent, I might have said "Your screaming hurts my ears".
/

219 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 12:54:02am

re: #216 Alexzander


BTW - I suspect simply reading Heidegger may result in some atypical neurology.

I had a friend who once happened upon a draft of a letter (yes, I write letters, and yes, I go through multiple drafts) to a young lady I was interested in. My friend (a female) said of it: "Jesus! This reads like Heidegger! You're the only guy I know whose love letters need footnotes and a bibliography."

220 Alexzander  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 12:55:23am

re: #217 Guanxi88

Leo Strauss?
Are you currently a grad student of philosophy?

221 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 12:56:29am

re: #220 Alexzander

Leo Strauss?
Are you currently a grad student of philosophy?

Leo Strauss, and was, long, long ago. Studied with Rosen and one other, who cannot be named, to protect my semi-anonymity.

222 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 12:59:29am

re: #220 Alexzander

Yep, you've found yourself a Straussian here. Not many of us around anymore, not that there were ever very many to being with, and I'm a Straussian at one remove (Straussian 2.0, as it were). Hell of a scholar, that one.

I recommend "The Wrath of Athena", by his daughter. She's a sharp one, too, argues that it was Athena, not Poseidon, who delays Odysseus' return to Ithaka, and makes a damned good case, too.

223 Alexzander  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 1:00:03am

re: #221 Guanxi88

Leo Strauss, and was, long, long ago. Studied with Rosen and one other, who cannot be named, to protect my semi-anonymity.

Awesome. Do you read philosophy now primarily for enjoyment or is it related to your profession? As I dont intend to enter academia, I have yet to find a way to directly tie my philosophical interests into a career trajectory. Although it of course permeates everything on subtle and not so subtle levels.

224 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 1:01:36am

re: #223 Alexzander

Awesome. Do you read philosophy now primarily for enjoyment or is it related to your profession? As I dont intend to enter academia, I have yet to find a way to directly tie my philosophical interests into a career trajectory. Although it of course permeates everything on subtle and not so subtle levels.

I do statistical process control and quality assurance for a manufacturing company - I've almost never had occasion to USE my education professionally, nor, frankly, do I think I could. Seems to me too much to ask that the most enriching and ennobling activity of which I am capable should also be the means by which I earn my bread; smacks of prostitution, somehow.

225 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 1:02:22am

Fuck, the smarty-pants are talking. And I was just about to unleash a whole slew of dick jokes. :sigh:
/

226 lostlakehiker  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 1:02:54am

re: #24 Charles

I'll do everything in my power to make sure he doesn't.

Because? Because you prefer any of the others to Romney?

I argued in 2008 that people shouldn't try to game the system and get the Democrats to nominate Hillary in hopes she'd be easier to beat, never mind that she'd not have made as good a president.

My reasons then were that one must look to the good of the country, and since it's always possible that the chosen nominee will win [scandals happen, accidents happen, shit happens] that means either standing aside, or working for the nomination of the candidate who in your own view would make the best president.

The downside of getting an utterly unsuitable candidate nominated, and then, horrors, elected, trumps any downside of getting a less unsuitable candidate nominated, who then goes on to win where the other fellow would have lost. We have a system that can ride out Richard Nixons and Jimmy Carters. Whether we can ride out a Sarah Palin, say, is not so safe a bet.

Was I wrong then?

Are things different now?

227 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 1:03:32am

re: #225 Slumbering Behemoth

Fuck, the smarty-pants are talking. And I was just about to unleash a whole slew of dick jokes. :sigh:
/

No, we're open to that, too. Only by combining gravity and levity can one become fully human - or so says Machiavelli, anyway, author of the Prince, Discourses on Livy, and Mandragola (a delightfully bawdy and deeply philosophical play, almost unknown these days).

228 lostlakehiker  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 1:05:51am

re: #227 Guanxi88

No, we're open to that, too. Only by combining gravity and levity can one become fully human - or so says Machiavelli, anyway, author of the Prince, Discourses on Livy, and Mandragola (a delightfully bawdy and deeply philosophical play, almost unknown these days).

Those who take their earnestness in earnest//
and their fun as simply fun//
merely show how little//
they know of either one.

Piet Hein, Grooks.

(wording from memory and surely a bit off)

229 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 1:06:56am

re: #228 lostlakehiker

Those who take their earnestness in earnest//
and their fun as simply fun//
merely show how little//
they know of either one.

Piet Hein, Grooks.

(wording from memory and surely a bit off)

Yep, and education, per the Platonic Socrates, is serious play.

Or, as Jack points out so well - All work and no play....

230 Alexzander  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 1:09:10am

re: #227 Guanxi88

No, we're open to that, too. Only by combining gravity and levity can one become fully human - or so says Machiavelli, anyway, author of the Prince, Discourses on Livy, and Mandragola (a delightfully bawdy and deeply philosophical play, almost unknown these days).

"I would believe only in a god who could dance. And when I saw my devil I found him serious, thorough, profound, and solemn: it was the spirit of gravity - through him all things fall.
Not by wrath does one kill but by laughter. Come, let us kill the spirit of gravity! I have learned to walk: ever since, I let myself run. I have learned to fly: ever since, I do not want to be pushed before moving along. Now I am light, now I fly, now I see myself beneath myself, now a god dances through me."


- Nietzsche, Thus Spoke Zarathustra; first part.
Levity and gravity mixed like no other.

231 lostlakehiker  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 1:09:29am

re: #211 SanFranciscoZionist

I just find it fascinating. Occasionally, I will realize that he really, sincerely, is wired in a way I totally do not comprehend...I mean, we LOOK like the same species. Far less gender dimorphism than many other mammals.

I would venture that people, in general, are wired very differently, the one from the other. That the gender divide is real, and substantial, but that it pales compared to the one-man-to-the-next divide.

232 Alexzander  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 1:10:07am

re: #230 Alexzander

Argh- poor formatting. Should have put some unquoted text between Guanxi88's comment and Nietzsche's.

233 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 1:11:17am

re: #223 Alexzander

I tried teaching, very briefly - it did not go well at all. My students fell into two categories: a very tiny minority who loved what I did and how I did it, and those who hated me.

After a particularly bad bunch of papers on the Nicomachean Ethics had been inflicted on me, I wrote some of the worst stuff from them on the blackboard and dared the perpetrators of these outrages to identify themselves to the class, give me their copies of the book ("since you're not using it or don't understand it") and withdraw from the course and reconsider their majors.

Yeah, I'm not exactly cut out for teaching.

234 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 1:16:27am

"Someday, on my deathbed, I will look back at all the time I wasted, all the missed opportunities for life and love and joy, and I will recall the week I spent reading and correcting these essays." - A paraphrase of comments I made that day.

235 freetoken  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 1:19:58am

re: #233 Guanxi88


Yeah, I'm not exactly cut out for teaching.

Given your story, you might want to try-out as a "reality tv" host/judge.

236 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 1:20:32am

re: #227 Guanxi88

Shut up, nerd. Moar dick jokes!
/Dated, but still very NSFW

237 Alexzander  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 1:24:49am

re: #235 freetoken

Given your story, you might want to try-out as a "reality tv" host/judge.

America's Next Great Philosopher!

238 Alexzander  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 1:25:35am

re: #236 Slumbering Behemoth

Shut up, nerd. Moar dick jokes!
/Dated, but still very NSFW

Have you seen the Bill Hicks documentary that came out last year? Its excellent.

239 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 1:36:45am

re: #238 Alexzander

No I have not. The guy was quite a troofer for a time, but still one of my favorite comics.

What's the title of the documentary?

240 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 1:37:08am

Morning Honcos. Didn't watch the debate last night. But I'll assume it went like this:
I'm not Obama.
Really, well I'm more not Obama than you.
What does that even mean?
Hizzy.

241 Alexzander  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 1:37:58am

re: #239 Slumbering Behemoth

No I have not. The guy was quite a troofer for a time, but still one of my favorite comics.

What's the title of the documentary?

AMERICAN: The Bill Hicks Story

242 Alexzander  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 1:38:25am

Anyway I'm out for the night. Later all.

243 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 1:42:42am

re: #240 Cannadian Club Akbar

Mixed in with questions like "Dancing With The Stars or American Idol". I shit you not, that is verbatim a question asked of Newt. Epic fail on CNN's part. Miserable, epic fail. Half a Twinkie has more substance than the questions asked, and the "non-answer" answers given. I won't forget the pathetic spectacle I half witnessed tonight.

244 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 1:44:15am

re: #241 Alexzander

Thanks...

re: #242 Alexzander

... and good night. Peace, Alex.

245 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 1:45:10am

re: #243 Slumbering Behemoth

Mixed in with questions like "Dancing With The Stars or American Idol". I shit you not, that is verbatim a question asked of Newt. Epic fail on CNN's part. Miserable, epic fail. Half a Twinkie has more substance than the questions asked, and the "non-answer" answers given. I won't forget the pathetic spectacle I half witnessed tonight.

Real Clear Politics has some of the questions asked. John Kings is a douche.

246 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 1:49:15am

IMO, Tim Russert was one of the best moderators for political debates. At least he asked real questions and put his political beliefs aside, from what I remember. And if you tried to answer a question without saying anything, he'd call you to the carpet.

247 laZardo  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 1:50:49am

I voted Ron Paul on the poll, just to keep the tradition alive.

///

/i'm sorry

248 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 1:52:44am

re: #245 Cannadian Club Akbar

Real Clear Politics has some of the questions asked. John Kings is a douche.

He's a pussy footin' punk, CNN is a collective of punks, and the entire GOP field of Presidential contenders seen tonight are pussy footin' punks.

Sorry, but the whole crapfest pissed me off. On a lighter note, I think I am just now drunk enough to vote in the OP poll. Where is the option for Zod?

249 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 1:53:36am

re: #247 laZardo

I voted Ron Paul on the poll, just to keep the tradition alive.

///

/i'm sorry

I did too!!!

250 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 1:58:09am

Luap Nor won the poll on his own website!!! Whatarethechances!!!
[Link: www.ronpaul.com...]

251 freetoken  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 2:08:46am

re: #243 Slumbering Behemoth

This "debate" was on a Monday night, a night on TV normally owned by DWTS. CNN put this on while DWTS (which has this time slot on the East coast) is on summer break, otherwise nobody would have been watching.

252 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 2:15:51am
253 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 2:25:19am

re: #251 freetoken

I watched most of the "debate" on the intertoobs. I don't have cable, and my TV set is basically a bitch for my XBOX. But the softball crap this evening angried up my blood, even though I knew it would play out just like that. Hell, it played out worse than I predicted. "Leno or Conan"? For fuck's sake!

Meh. I'm feeling drunk and surly. Better I log off now, and have y'all think me a drunken asshole, than stick around and truly prove it.

G'nite Lizards.

254 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 2:44:23am

re: #253 Slumbering Behemoth

Oh, c'mon! I just went and tied on a couple more.

Everybody, sing along!

I'm a rambler
I'm a gambler
I'm a long ways from home,
If you don't like me, then leave me alone.
I'll eat when I'm hungry,
I'll drink when I'm dry,
And if moonshine don't kill me,
I'll live til I die.

255 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 2:47:28am

re: #254 Guanxi88

Moonshine for breakfast
And moonshine for tea,
O moonshine, o moonshine,
O how I love thee!

256 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 2:52:07am

re: #255 Guanxi88

Moonshine for breakfast
And moonshine for tea,
O moonshine, o moonshine,
O how I love thee!

You killed my poor papa and soon you'll kill me.

/haven't thought of this song in ages!

257 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 2:52:38am

I've always been amazed that the incredible power of mountain music from Appalachia managed to influence Irish folk-music so strongly.

(ha!)

258 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 2:53:21am

re: #256 iceweasel

You killed my poor papa and soon you'll kill me.

/haven't thought of this song in ages!

One of my anthems, and, like "It's a Long Way to Tipperary" one of those songs meant to be screamed out when roaring drunk.

259 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 2:54:43am

re: #258 Guanxi88

That is one genre sadly lacking in contemporary music - the drinking song. Builds community, as it were, when a room full of inebriates can all sing the same song.

260 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 2:55:36am

Ice: how's by you and Jimmah? Still shivering up in the North Atlantic?

261 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 2:56:09am

re: #258 Guanxi88

One of my anthems, and, like "It's a Long Way to Tipperary" one of those songs meant to be screamed out when roaring drunk.

How about this?

262 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 2:56:49am

re: #260 Guanxi88

Ice: how's by you and Jimmah? Still shivering up in the North Atlantic?

Yep! A cold june here, but we have our love to keep us warm. ;)

263 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 2:56:57am

re: #261 iceweasel

How about this?

[Video]

Ahh, yes, another classic! (And the Dubliners, too. A fine buncha lads they are.)

264 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 2:58:04am

re: #262 iceweasel

Yep! A cold june here, but we have our love to keep us warm. ;)

Revolting heat here in Texas. Gets "Down" to about 80 degrees at night. Unsanitary, this kind of heat.

Still, it's not without its advantages. I mean, our annual heating bill can usually be paid with change found in the couch.

265 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 2:59:21am

I met with my Rabbi today about that whole complicated situation. It's not getting any simpler, but I know what I have to do about it all. Now just have to DO it. Which is difficult.

266 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:00:20am

re: #256 iceweasel

You killed my poor papa and soon you'll kill me.

/haven't thought of this song in ages!

First heard it at the knee of my yiddish grandfather - odd, what living in the hills can do to a person's culture.

267 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:01:55am

re: #264 Guanxi88

Revolting heat here in Texas. Gets "Down" to about 80 degrees at night. Unsanitary, this kind of heat.

Still, it's not without its advantages. I mean, our annual heating bill can usually be paid with change found in the couch.

I won't run the heat. I just put a pot of chicken stock on the stove and sip on it through the night if needed.

268 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:02:53am

re: #261 iceweasel

How about this?

[Video]

It was played as the Royal Irish Regiment marched towards Iraq behind their wolfhounds.

269 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:03:46am

re: #267 Cannadian Club Akbar

I won't run the heat. I just put a pot of chicken stock on the stove and sip on it through the night if needed.

When I was a bachelor, my home heating bill was part of the liquor bill, so it was never any new expense, but I married a thin-blooded Southerner, who, even in Texas, needs heat in the winter if she's to be kept quiet.

270 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:04:16am

re: #265 Guanxi88

I met with my Rabbi today about that whole complicated situation. It's not getting any simpler, but I know what I have to do about it all. Now just have to DO it. Which is difficult.

Did you hit on his wife?

271 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:04:40am

re: #270 Decatur Deb

Did you hit on his wife?

No, she's about 50 years too old for me.

272 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:05:12am

re: #271 Guanxi88

My age, then.

273 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:05:30am

re: #272 Decatur Deb

My age, then.

You're in your 80's, then?

274 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:06:03am

Pushing 70, but I look up to my elders.

275 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:07:54am

The Rabbi, he says, paraphrastically - Knock it off, already! You'll wreck your life, her life, screw up your kids, and could get yourself killed, only to find yourself in Gehennon afterward. And for what? To write to an old love?

276 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:10:00am

For those who missed the liveblog, here's the recap:

"I hate him."
"No, I hate him more".
"All 30 of my children hate him."
"All my wives hate him."
"Repeal him."
"If he asked me, I'd have told him I hate him."
"Who?"

277 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:11:25am

re: #276 Decatur Deb

For those who missed the liveblog, here's the recap:

"I hate him."
"No, I hate him more".
"All 30 of my children hate him."
"All my wives hate him."
"Repeal him."
"If he asked me, I'd have told him I hate him."
"Who?"

Sounds like the conversations that take place at the in-laws' when I step outside to smoke my pipe.

278 freetoken  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:11:50am

"Ogeechee River Lullaby" :

279 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:12:03am

re: #276 Decatur Deb

Heh. See my 240.:)

280 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:14:00am

re: #279 Cannadian Club Akbar

Heh. See my 240.:)

GMTA

281 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:14:07am

re: #265 Guanxi88

I met with my Rabbi today about that whole complicated situation. It's not getting any simpler, but I know what I have to do about it all. Now just have to DO it. Which is difficult.

Was it helpful to talk with him?

282 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:14:41am

Well, time to make the coffee and wake the Bitter Half.

Have a good one, you scaly sons of guns, and wish me luck today. I usually don't stay so inoxticated so late into the night/early into the morning. Could make for an interesting day.

283 Guanxi88  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:16:51am

re: #281 iceweasel

Was it helpful to talk with him?

He told me nothing I didn't know already, but I'm one of these people who finds motivation in hearing such things from people I respect, or folk in authority.

He said to knock it off. Said, as I had thought, that if this is real love, it can last until the children are out of the house; otherwise, he said, it's not real, and it's not worth the potential harm we could do to others from it.

Now, I've just got to summon up the courage to tell the lady this, and find the best way to do so.

284 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:19:06am

re: #283 Guanxi88

When I want to break it off with a woman, I just stop calling here. Ya know, the real man's way.
/

285 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:19:28am

re: #284 Cannadian Club Akbar

here=her,pimf

286 kirkspencer  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:22:35am

re: #187 Alexzander

Anyone still anticpate a late entry to the GOP field?
I personally think Sarah isn't really planning a run at this point.

I'm also surprised Huntsman didn't bother to attend this debate.

Perry is still a possible, I think.

287 freetoken  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:23:49am

re: #286 kirkspencer

Perry is still a possible, I think.

Apparently he doesn't believe in tithing:


Perry's church giving falls below average

288 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:25:02am

re: #286 kirkspencer

Perry is still a possible, I think.

Intrade dropped Perry's likelihood of entering by a large percent yesterday--don't know why.

(Checked--he'd down to .50 from .70.)

289 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:27:03am

re: #287 freetoken

Apparently he doesn't believe in tithing:

Perry's church giving falls below average

His stock-in-trade is governance--he tithes "in kind".

290 freetoken  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:32:22am

Huntsman looks like a possibility. I don't see any others. Perry is trying to position himself for something, but a run would be very expensive and it seems like he's starting a bit late. Even Huntsman had the good sense to months ago start having other people drop his name.

291 mdey  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:34:50am

re: #290 freetoken

re: #290 freetoken

Huntsman did well by staying out of this fight. He could still be viable.

292 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:35:40am

re: #290 freetoken

Perry could get some voters and then throw his support to another candidate for a cabinet position or ambassadorship.

293 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:39:28am

re: #292 Cannadian Club Akbar

Perry could get some voters and then throw his support to another candidate for a cabinet position or ambassadorship.

Yeah--he could be their ambassador to the United States.

294 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:41:26am

re: #293 Decatur Deb

Yeah--he could be their ambassador to the United States.

Yes. Jesusland!!
Image: funny-jesusland-shirt.gif

295 freetoken  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:42:41am

re: #291 mdey

But he's already had to start playing the tack-to-right strategy. From my understanding of his background, he's a little bit of an intellectual, a little bit of an internationalist, and a little bit of a Mormon. In other words, kind of like the usual post-Nixon Republican - big business establishment type.

Now he has to play the I-hate-libruls-too theme.

He's got to convince people for whom this:


is the extent of their knowledge of the past that he, a Chinese speaking, internationally traveling, pro-immigration businessman is just what God has ordained for real Americans.
296 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:46:23am

I got a letter from the IRS yesterday. There it sits; unopened; taunting me.

Just kidding. It was nothing.

But, I did have to change my underwear upon seeing the envelope.

297 Obdicut  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:46:52am

re: #295 freetoken

I still am not convinced anyone we saw at the debate last night is serious about having a campaign. They played a one note flute: Obama failed. Anything Obama likes, is bad.

Set that against a background where government is totally bad and private industry is the answer to everything, and it's an extremist viewpoint that's almost deliberately insulting to moderates.

It'll be interesting to see how Huntsman, who's had a lot of praise for Obama, navigates those waters.

298 researchok  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:48:22am

Morning, all

299 Obdicut  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:48:29am

re: #296 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The state of New York casually told me I owed them $12,000 for not getting workers comp insurance for my poor beleaguered workers.

I'm my only worker, and I own 100% of the company, so I don't actually have to get worker's comp.

I really wish they could send out a letter asking "Are you a sole proprietor/own 100% of the stock of your company?" before they send one saying "You owe $12,000!" It would ease up my heart.

300 freetoken  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:51:59am

re: #299 Obdicut

It was rather explicitly designed by CNN as the How Does Romney Look Compared To These Others show.

I'm convinced it was more about CNN hoping to position themselves as a must-visit spot on twitter and other social media than it was about helping the NH GOP voters decide which one they wanted. As Cain summarized it in the end, they're all pretty much the same.

If that is true, then why not just have a random drawing?

301 kirkspencer  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:52:10am

re: #297 Obdicut

I still am not convinced anyone we saw at the debate last night is serious about having a campaign. They played a one note flute: Obama failed. Anything Obama likes, is bad.

Set that against a background where government is totally bad and private industry is the answer to everything, and it's an extremist viewpoint that's almost deliberately insulting to moderates.

It'll be interesting to see how Huntsman, who's had a lot of praise for Obama, navigates those waters.

As I recall, the first Democratic debate for the 2004 session was essentially "Bush Bad". I'm going from memory so don't recall if they sounded quite as vacuous as last night's talent show, but I do recall the general message.

I'm more and more convinced that 2012 will be "2004 Returns" with Romney playing the part of Kerry. 2016 will then be Revenge of the Zealots (aka We told you RINOs can't run.)

302 mdey  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:54:48am

re: #295 freetoken

I'm not disagreeing with you. Huntsman's downfall will be his agreement with Paul Ryan's budget.

303 RogueOne  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:56:19am

Morning all

304 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:57:04am

re: #294 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yes. Jesusland!!
Image: funny-jesusland-shirt.gif

No luck with the link--

305 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 3:58:06am

re: #304 Decatur Deb

No luck with the link--

Worked for me. Hell, just google jesusland.:)

306 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:00:09am

re: #299 Obdicut

The state of New York casually told me I owed them $12,000 for not getting workers comp insurance for my poor beleaguered workers.

I'm my only worker, and I own 100% of the company, so I don't actually have to get worker's comp.

I really wish they could send out a letter asking "Are you a sole proprietor/own 100% of the stock of your company?" before they send one saying "You owe $12,000!" It would ease up my heart.

Nothing compared to:

"Greetings.
The President would like the pleasure of your company at Ft. Knox, KY..."

307 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:02:05am

re: #306 Decatur Deb

Nothing compared to:

"Greetings.
The President would like the pleasure of your company at Ft. Knox, KY..."

My dad's letter said, "Greetings and Salutations from your United States Gubment"...

308 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:03:21am

re: #307 Cannadian Club Akbar

My dad's letter said, "Greetings and Salutations from your United States Gubment"...

"Hope you're not busy the next couple years.."

309 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:06:39am

Mem'sahib is making pickles today, says I must report to the cucumber patch.
BBL.

310 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:07:22am

re: #308 Decatur Deb

"Hope you're not busy the next couple years.."

He got his letter right after the armistice in Korea was signed (iirc) and was sent to...Oklahoma.

311 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:08:25am

re: #310 Cannadian Club Akbar

He got his letter right after the armistice in Korea was signed (iirc) and was sent to...Oklahoma.

Got mine the month after the Gulf of Tonkin incident--never left Ft. Knox.

312 RogueOne  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:09:18am

re: #274 Decatur Deb

Pushing 70, but I look up to my elders.

I didn't realize you were that old! Nothing to really say, just wanted to rub it in.

313 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:12:10am

re: #312 RogueOne

I didn't realize you were that old! Nothing to really say, just wanted to rub it in.

I've managed to maintain my youthful ignorance.

314 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:13:36am

There's a cucumber out there with my name on it--BBL Fur Reel.

315 Obdicut  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:18:45am

re: #314 Decatur Deb

There's a cucumber out there with my name on it--BBL Fur Reel.

There are some ways to interpret that sentence that are creepier than others.

316 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:21:52am

re: #315 Obdicut

There are some ways to interpret that sentence that are creepier than others.

317 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:21:54am

Good Morning Honcos!

I didn't watch the debate last night, so I've enjoyed reading your impressions this morning.

Another nice cool morning in the DC area.

318 Lidane  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:23:42am

re: #294 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yes. Jesusland!!
Image: funny-jesusland-shirt.gif

Speaking of funny shirts, I want this one:

[Link: shirt.woot.com...]

319 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:29:31am

re: #318 Lidane

Speaking of funny shirts, I want this one:

[Link: shirt.woot.com...]

Here's mine./
[Link: www.tshirthell.com...]

320 mdey  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:29:52am

re: #318 Lidane

hi

321 lostlakehiker  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:29:56am

re: #154 The Ghost of a Flea

I guess I'm inured to a certain degree of this--actually, I spent enough of my childhood around gypsies to appreciate a good con--but the current turn has me worried. The Religious Right is looking for a permanent majority and, sorry as I am to say this, if they get it things are going to get ugly. Their particular strain of Christianity is built upon a strong authoritarian model in which a few individuals are the fast-and-loose arbitors of guilt and innocence, combining with a fetishization of the world's end: between the two, people are going to get hurt.

But they haven't a prayer (ahem) of getting it. Even the ardent Christians don't, for the most part, fancy a Christian government. Render unto Caesar, etc. Plus, knowing that they are sinners, they rightly fear a government powerful enough to forbid all manner of sins and make it stick.

322 RogueOne  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:31:50am

re: #261 iceweasel

How about this?

[Video]

The Dubliners! I have this on one of my phones playlists:

The Pub With No Beer

323 mdey  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:35:01am

re: #318 Lidane

What did you think about my earlier comment?

324 RogueOne  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:35:09am

re: #317 rwdflynavy

Good Morning Honcos!

I didn't watch the debate last night, so I've enjoyed reading your impressions this morning.

Another nice cool morning in the DC area.

I'd rather stick an icepick in my ears than to listen to a debate this far out from the election. I'll start paying attention when they narrow it down some.

325 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:40:39am

re: #324 RogueOne

I'd rather stick an icepick in my ears than to listen to a debate this far out from the election. I'll start paying attention when they narrow it down some.

This

326 Lidane  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:46:41am

re: #320 mdey

hi

Hola!

327 RogueOne  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:49:07am

Denver has an on-going issue with police brutality cases. They're going to need to do something drastic. $1 Mill already this year.

Denver Council Approves Police Brutality Payouts
[Link: www.thedenverchannel.com...]


DENVER -- The Denver City Council approved two more excessive force settlements in its meeting Monday night, bringing the total payout for police brutality cases this year to more than $1 million.

In the settlement approved, officers are accused of using excessive force against Mark Ashford, an incident that was caught on camera, by police HALO cameras.

Ashford appeared to be walking his dogs and trying to take a picture of officers with his cell phone camera, when the confrontation began.

The settlement approved would give him $35,000.

328 prairiefire  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:49:27am

Democrats say "What in the world are they talking about?":[Link: politicalwire.com...]

329 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:58:54am

re: #327 RogueOne

Denver has an on-going issue with police brutality cases. They're going to need to do something drastic. $1 Mill already this year.

Denver Council Approves Police Brutality Payouts
[Link: www.thedenverchannel.com...]

They just need better behaved citizens!!
//

330 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 5:06:21am

Put my bedroom set on Craig's List. Took 15 whole minutes to get a call. Sweet.

331 RogueOne  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 5:06:54am

re: #329 rwdflynavy

They just need better behaved citizens!!
//

Too many dope smoking hippies running around Denver. Cops can't help themselves when it comes to beating hippies.

332 RogueOne  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 5:07:24am

re: #330 Cannadian Club Akbar

Put my bedroom set on Craig's List. Took 15 whole minutes to get a call. Sweet.

Did you post a pic posing in the bed?

333 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 5:10:41am

re: #332 RogueOne

Did you post a pic posing in the bed?

Yes. The woman asked "Can that spot be removed"?
/

334 RogueOne  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 5:36:08am

I guess this story means we have a lot more semi-naked, self-shot pics of our congressional folks coming:

P90X: The congressional workout
[Link: www.politico.com...]


The exercise program led by fitness guru Tony Horton, P90X, has taken Washington by storm. From Aaron Schock to Paul Ryan to Jeff Flake to Kevin McCarthy, politicians swear by the intense DVD workout.

Horton swung into Washington last week to both serve as grand marshal of the National Press Club’s Beat the Deadline 5K race and to drum up support for the GO Campaign, a nonprofit supporting struggling children in developing countries.

335 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 5:37:43am

re: #334 RogueOne

I don't do the P90X workout. I do the P9X one. I only like to give 10%.:)

336 Gus  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 5:40:38am

My name, is Jose Jimenez.

Another cool morning. Supposed to get hot in the afternoon.

337 Obdicut  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 5:41:24am

re: #336 Gus 802

I read that as "Supposed to get hos in the afternoon", and was like, "Man, Gus is really getting into Cali."

338 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 5:42:21am

re: #336 Gus 802

My name, is Jose Jimenez.

Another cool morning. Supposed to get hot in the afternoon.

Hey Gus! How's it going?

339 Gus  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 5:42:30am

re: #337 Obdicut

I read that as "Supposed to get hos in the afternoon", and was like, "Man, Gus is really getting into Cali."

The only hos I can afford are Ho Hos ®.

//

340 Gus  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 5:43:09am

re: #338 iceweasel

Hey Gus! How's it going?

Meh. You know. Going to start working here in a bit. Sent you an email just a few minutes ago.

341 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 5:43:51am

Morning Lizardim. It sucks having to transition from a beautiful fishing vacation to stupid work. Sigh.

342 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 5:44:09am

re: #340 Gus 802

Meh. You know. Going to start working here in a bit. Sent you an email just a few minutes ago.

Oh cool, I'll check. Laptop keeps crashing on me.

343 Gus  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 5:45:24am

re: #342 iceweasel

Oh cool, I'll check. Laptop keeps crashing on me.

What is that a Dell?

//

344 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 5:48:24am

re: #343 Gus 802

What is that a Dell?

//

My dell used to crash too. :(

this is an HP something. It overheats.

345 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 5:48:56am

re: #341 thedopefishlives

Morning Lizardim. It sucks having to transition from a beautiful fishing vacation to stupid work. Sigh.

Welcome back fishie! How was your vacation?

346 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 5:49:42am

re: #344 iceweasel

My dell used to crash too. :(

this is an HP something. It overheats.

I had a problem like that. I put a small fan pointing toward the bottom. (I think someone here suggested that)

347 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 5:49:49am

re: #345 iceweasel

Welcome back fishie! How was your vacation?

It was grand. Caught lots of great fish, had lots of good times. My parents were exceedingly pleased to get to spend more time with their new (first) grandson.

348 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 5:51:12am

re: #346 Cannadian Club Akbar

I had a problem like that. I put a small fan pointing toward the bottom. (I think someone here suggested that)

Thanks, I'll have to try that.

re: #347 thedopefishlives

It was grand. Caught lots of great fish, had lots of good times. My parents were exceedingly pleased to get to spend more time with their new (first) grandson.

Cool, glad to hear it!

349 Gus  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 5:51:28am

re: #344 iceweasel

My dell used to crash too. :(

this is an HP something. It overheats.

Ah. It might be thinking too much. If it has a CPU fan remove that and the heat sink and clean up the old coolant paste (if there is any) and give it a new dab of coolant paste. Or something.

350 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 5:53:26am

re: #349 Gus 802

Ah. It might be thinking too much. If it has a CPU fan remove that and the heat sink and clean up the old coolant paste (if there is any) and give it a new dab of coolant paste. Or something.

I hit my old laptop with some compressed air (another tip from here) and haven't had a problem with it since.

351 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 5:54:02am

re: #349 Gus 802

Ah. It might be thinking too much. If it has a CPU fan remove that and the heat sink and clean up the old coolant paste (if there is any) and give it a new dab of coolant paste. Or something.

A "dab" is a bit too much. The art of reapplying coolant paste is a bit tricky; you actually want as much surface-to-surface contact as possible. Generally speaking, if a computer is overheating that wasn't doing it from the outset, blowing it out with a can of compressed air will do just fine.

352 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 5:54:15am

So two lesbian bloggers have been exposed as men. Married men, in at least one case. What are you guys here up to? Shouldn't you be creating fake identities on the web somewhere?

353 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 5:55:54am

I am really a hot Syrian lesbian, but I like to pretend to be a Jewish grandmother on teh Interwebz.

354 Gus  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 5:56:05am

re: #350 Cannadian Club Akbar

I hit my old laptop with some compressed air (another tip from here) and haven't had a problem with it since.

I cleaned out more of my tower a couple of months ago. Damn it was dirty. Talk about dust bunnies in places. More like dust monsters.

355 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 5:56:08am

re: #352 iceweasel

So two lesbian bloggers have been exposed as men. Married men, in at least one case. What are you guys here up to? Shouldn't you be creating fake identities on the web somewhere?

I dated a lesbian once. I had to break it off with her. I sat her down and said, "Let me be frank" and she said "No, let ME be Frank".
///

356 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 5:56:45am

re: #354 Gus 802

I cleaned out more of my tower a couple of months ago. Damn it was dirty. Talk about dust bunnies in places. More like dust monsters.

That happens with smokers. (me too)

357 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 5:56:50am
A second supposedly leading lesbian blogger was exposed as a man masquerading as a gay woman, a day after the Gay Girl in Damascus blog was revealed to be the fictional creation of a married male student from Edinburgh.

Paula Brooks, who claimed to be the executive editor of a US-based lesbian site LezGetReal.com, told the Washington Post that "she", too, was a man – in this case, a 58-year-old retired construction worker from Ohio called Bill Graber.
....

Amina often "flirted" with Brooks, the paper said – with neither man apparently realising that the other was also a man pretending to be a lesbian.

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Heh.

358 Gus  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 5:58:10am

re: #356 Cannadian Club Akbar

That happens with smokers. (me too)

Lots of dust of course. Makes it harder when wasn't a type-A house cleaning nut. ;) Some day I'd like to have daily maid service.

359 RogueOne  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 5:58:28am

re: #357 iceweasel

LezGetReal.com

sounds like a site that charges $19.95/mo

360 RogueOne  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 5:59:30am

re: #358 Gus 802

Lots of dust of course. Makes it harder when wasn't a type-A house cleaning nut. ;) Some day I'd like to have daily maid service.

My wife said the same thing. I suggested the topless maid service but she didn't go for it. I figured it was a win/win.

361 Obdicut  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 5:59:36am

re: #352 iceweasel

So two lesbian bloggers have been exposed as men. Married men, in at least one case. What are you guys here up to? Shouldn't you be creating fake identities on the web somewhere?

I'll come clean.

I'm not six foot. I'm five foot eleven and seven eighths of an inch.

God, it feels good to have that off my chest.

362 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:00:51am

re: #361 Obdicut

I'll come clean.

I'm not six foot. I'm five foot eleven and seven eighths of an inch.

God, it feels good to have that off my chest.

I'm only 40 years and 40 months old.

363 Gus  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:01:09am

re: #351 thedopefishlives

A "dab" is a bit too much. The art of reapplying coolant paste is a bit tricky; you actually want as much surface-to-surface contact as possible. Generally speaking, if a computer is overheating that wasn't doing it from the outset, blowing it out with a can of compressed air will do just fine.

It's suppose to get a tiny bit of the stuff. Most people will follow instructions which they find on the intertoobs. Compressed air will do but only if that's the problem. We can't really troubleshoot an overheating problem without seeing anything. I'm still using my ancient HP which used to fart out all the time and get a zillion BSDs. I finally fixed it by reformatting the HD and starting all over again and tweaking a lot of the crappy factory settings over a period of time. In the end it worked like it should have from the beginning and something all the folks with their advanced degrees neglected to do at HP.

364 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:02:17am

re: #362 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm only 40 years and 40 46 months old.

365 Gus  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:04:56am

re: #356 Cannadian Club Akbar

That happens with smokers. (me too)

Nicotine as you know is a glue that helps maintain the structural integrity of your MOBO. So if one of those tiny gold connections break loose the nicotine will prevent it from creating an open circuit!

//

366 RogueOne  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:07:03am

It's hard to imagine how the situation south of the border could get any worse:


Narco gangster reveals the underworld:
Cartels have taken cruelty up a notch, says one drug trafficker: kidnapping bus passengers for gladiatorlike fights to the death
[Link: www.chron.com...]


The elderly are killed. Young women are raped. And able-bodied men are given hammers, machetes and sticks and forced to fight to the death.

In one of the most chilling revelations yet about the violence in Mexico, a drug cartel-connected trafficker claims fellow gangsters have kidnapped highway bus passengers and forced them into gladiatorlike fights to groom fresh assassins.
......
Former and current federal law-enforcement officers in the U.S. said that while they knew Mexican bus passengers had been targeted for violence, they'd never before heard of forcing passengers into death matches.

But given the level of violence in Mexico — nearly 40,000 killed in gangland warfare over the past several years — they didn't find it tough to believe.

Borderland Beat, a blog specializing in drug cartels, reported an account in April of bus passengers brutalized by Zeta thugs and taunted into fighting.

"The stuff you would not think possible a few years ago is now commonplace," said Peter Hanna, a retired FBI agent who built his career focusing on Mexico's cartels. "It used to be you'd find dead bodies in drums with acid; now there are beheadings."

367 Gus  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:08:09am

For safety reasons!

LOL

//Sorry. Inside joke.

368 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:10:16am

re: #367 Gus 802

For safety reasons!

LOL

//Sorry. Inside joke.

Heh.

Safety first!

369 Gus  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:13:56am

re: #368 iceweasel

Heh.

Don't you think about the children!!11??

//

370 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:15:31am

re: #369 Gus 802

Don't you think about the children!!11??

//

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

Yap, yap, yap. For as long as I can remember, people have been yapping about schools for the children, health-care for the children, food for the children, clothing for the children, shelter for the children. Fuck the children.
371 Gus  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:15:34am

re: #366 RogueOne

It's hard to imagine how the situation south of the border could get any worse:

Narco gangster reveals the underworld:
Cartels have taken cruelty up a notch, says one drug trafficker: kidnapping bus passengers for gladiatorlike fights to the death
[Link: www.chron.com...]

Hey. It's 2011. Now when did that Drug War ™ © EIEIO start?

372 RogueOne  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:16:46am

6 years later.....

Jury to hear contractor's Iraq rape allegations
[Link: abclocal.go.com...]


HOUSTON -- A jury will hear opening statements today in a Texas woman's federal lawsuit accusing co-workers of raping her in 2005 and holding her for hours in a shipping container while she working in Iraq for a former subsidiary of military contractor Halliburton Co.

Jamie Leigh Jones, 26, is asking for unspecified damages in her suit against KBR Inc. and its former parent company. It also names Charles Bortz, a former KBR firefighter she alleges was one of her rapists.

The jury was chosen on Monday, and the trial could last up to three weeks.

"Jamie has waited six years to have her day in court and she's happy to finally talk to a jury," said Lannie Kelly, one of Jones' attorneys.

373 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:16:56am

re: #352 iceweasel

So two lesbian bloggers have been exposed as men. Married men, in at least one case. What are you guys here up to? Shouldn't you be creating fake identities on the web somewhere?

Damascus person I heard about, but who's the other impostor?

374 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:17:58am

Handmade Anti-Obama Sign Currently Frontrunner For Republican Presidential Nomination

According to a Quinnipiac University poll conducted this week, a homemade anti-Obama sign has surged to the front of the 2012 Republican presidential field, emerging as the clear favorite to earn the party's nomination in next year's primaries.

The telephone survey of 773 likely voters indicated the sign, a piece of poster board bearing the handwritten phrase "NOBAMA 2012" in bold red letters, would defeat former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, its nearest rival, by a landslide 17 percentage points if the primaries were held today. The poll also found the sign had a "favorable" or "highly favorable" rating among 94 percent of registered Republicans, a figure greater than all other presumptive GOP candidates combined.

"We're seeing that voters find the sign more charismatic, more likeable, and much more engaging than other Republican candidates," said political analyst Mark Halperin, adding that the poster's message resonates strongly with conservatives. "In the end, it comes down to two things: the ability to energize the party base, and the power to instill confidence and appear presidential. Right now, it's the sign by far."

375 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:18:50am

re: #373 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Damascus person I heard about, but who's the other impostor?

"Paula Brooks", editor of LezGetReal. There's a link above to a guardian article about them.

376 Gus  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:20:23am

Whew. Glad they found the only two impostors on the internet. For everything too for that matter.

//

377 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:21:54am

re: #376 Gus 802

Whew. Glad they found the only two impostors on the internet. For everything too for that matter.

//

I just think it's funny they were talking to each other, and not realising the other was also an imposter.

"That's a man, baby!" /austin powers voice

378 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:23:11am

re: #375 iceweasel

"Paula Brooks", editor of LezGetReal. There's a link above to a guardian article about them.

Ah, I see now. Never linked them, rarely read them. They're featured on this LGBT radio show out here on KKGN, but I hardly ever listen to it. Now I know I'm not such an inauthentic queer, after all.

379 RogueOne  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:23:12am

Gotta run folks. Enjoy the rest of your day!

380 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:23:29am

re: #377 iceweasel

I just think it's funny they were talking to each other, and not realising the other was also an imposter.

"That's a man, baby!" /austin powers voice

Sex Grifters?

381 Gus  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:24:10am

re: #377 iceweasel

I just think it's funny they were talking to each other, and not realising the other was also an imposter.

"That's a man, baby!" /austin powers voice

Just looked at the Washington Post article with picture. OK, that is pretty funny that they all did this. Probably just to make money? Anywho, we should bomb them with F-18s, Thunderbolts, and invade their homes and sentence them to 5000 years in prison. That'll show 'em.

//

382 Gus  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:25:39am

Being that this is The Age of Overreacting and harsh prison sentences. Tough love baby!

We must control the population. For safety reasons and the children!

//

383 Gus  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:28:15am

I figured out how we can help Mexico. First claim there are WMDs in Mexico. Then, invade Mexico and kill 100,000 of their people (ok, it's not killing it was all just an accident and unavoidable) after which we help them establish a democracy and a free-market economy.

//

384 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:28:20am

Disgusted Supreme Court Can't Believe It Has To Rule Having Sex With American Flag Protected Under First Amendment

U.S. Supreme Court justices expressed unqualified disgust Tuesday after ruling that fornication with the American flag is an act of free speech protected by the First Amendment.

Writing that the 8-1 decision was "necessary, but it's really just unbelievable that it's come to this," Chief Justice John Roberts concluded in his majority opinion that the constitutionally guaranteed freedom of expression necessarily extends to individuals "committing unspeakable and abominable acts" with the flag.

385 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:29:03am

[Link: bit.ly...]

He said he had set up the Lezgetreal.com site to advance the gay and lesbian cause and felt he would not be taken seriously as a straight man.

Uh-huh. Well, he's DEFINITELY not taken seriously, now. With friends like these...

386 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:30:18am

re: #383 Gus 802

I figured out how we can help Mexico. First claim there are WMDs in Mexico. Then, invade Mexico and kill 100,000 of their people (ok, it's not killing it was all just an accident and unavoidable) after which we help them establish a democracy and a free-market economy.

//

Let's send them planeloads of cash. What could go wrong?

387 Gus  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:30:26am

re: #384 iceweasel

Disgusted Supreme Court Can't Believe It Has To Rule Having Sex With American Flag Protected Under First Amendment

It's a slippery slope I tells ya'! What's next? People wanting to marry their Murican flags?!?!11

What's next! What's next! What's next! What's next!

//Drinking with Bob idiots. /

388 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:30:50am

re: #384 iceweasel

Lovely pic in that link.
/

389 mr.fusion  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:31:12am

re: #49 Charles

Because he was simply wrong. If the auto industry had gone into bankruptcy it would have been a gigantic disaster for the economy. Instead, it's a big success, because idiots like Romney didn't get their way.

I normally don't respond to posts so far down in a thread, but this really bugged me as well.....

Any Republican who advocated for the failure of the auto industry or banking industry should no longer be allowed to use the unemployment rate against President Obama.....I mean they are openly advocating for a higher unemployment rate to mesh with their ideology. That's fine, but just be honest about it.

As far as the poll goes......the real winner last night was Rick Perry

390 Gus  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:31:50am

Tuesday's case, Erickson v. The United States, began when Rockland, MD resident Trevor Erickson, 31, filed suit following his arrest last November for having sex with an American flag in his backyard. Roberts wrote that while the majority "agreed wholeheartedly with the spirit" of the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals' ruling against Erickson, it was nonetheless compelled to overturn the decision so as to avoid creating a dangerous precedent.

Hahaha!

391 Political Atheist  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:33:01am

re: #384 iceweasel

Wow. Was that Newt? All that patriotic passion and all...

392 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:33:33am

re: #390 Gus 802

Um, in his back yard?

393 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:35:12am

I still can't erase that awful brain image of the Shrieking Harpie with a flag of Israel shoved between her thighs.

394 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:35:48am

re: #390 Gus 802

Tuesday's case, Erickson v. The United States, began when Rockland, MD resident Trevor Erickson, 31, filed suit following his arrest last November for having sex with an American flag in his backyard. Roberts wrote that while the majority "agreed wholeheartedly with the spirit" of the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals' ruling against Erickson, it was nonetheless compelled to overturn the decision so as to avoid creating a dangerous precedent.

Hahaha!

Unfortunately, we are charged with upholding the First Amendment even when it means defending the most godawful, depraved thing you ever heard of someone doing in your entire life," said Roberts, addressing the court. "As much as we would love to say, 'No, you human pile of excrement, you absolutely cannot fuck the American flag,' it simply would not be consistent with the basic tenets upon which this nation was founded."

Oral arguments for the case were reportedly interrupted several times as justices hurled scathing insults at the plaintiff and, in one incident, when Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg attempted to jump the bench and physically assault Erickson.

LOL

395 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:36:00am

re: #391 Rightwingconspirator

Wow. Was that Newt? All that patriotic passion and all...

re: #393 Alouette

I still can't erase that awful brain image of the Shrieking Harpie with a flag of Israel shoved between her thighs.

Ooph, too early for visuals like that.

396 darthstar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:36:01am

There were two, maybe three candidates on stage last night, and surprisingly, Michele Bachmann was one of them. If last night was any indication, this primary will boil down to her and Mitt going at it in a few months. T-Paw's a dud, Gingrich is whoring his own books and wife for profit, Santorum is just looking for attention and a job with another network that pays six figures, Paul is just Paul, and Cain I can't figure out.

397 Gus  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:36:47am

re: #392 Cannadian Club Akbar

Um, in his back yard?

Apparently. This means they charged him with having sex with the American flag though. Not indecent exposure or anything like that. Just for having sex with a particular object. Real thinking on the part of law enforcement and/or the local DA there.

398 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:36:54am

re: #392 Cannadian Club Akbar

Um, in his back yard?

Oops. Just saw the link. D'oh!!

399 Gus  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:37:31am

re: #398 Cannadian Club Akbar

Oops. Just saw the link. D'oh!!

Yeah. It's the Onion. ;)

400 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:38:54am

re: #399 Gus 802

Yeah. It's the Onion. ;)

I should have known. Sheesh. ( I still like the Death Penalty/I am the law/ Judge Dread one)

401 darthstar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:41:25am

re: #383 Gus 802

I figured out how we can help Mexico. First claim there are WMDs in Mexico. Then, invade Mexico and kill 100,000 of their people (ok, it's not killing it was all just an accident and unavoidable) after which we help them establish a democracy and a free-market economy.

//

The way you get away with killing hundreds of thousands of people is by claiming you don't keep count of civilian casualties for as long as possible...and you never report more than 30 deaths at a time. That's the magic number according to something I read with Rumsfeld a few years back...anything over that, and people start wondering if too much force was used. Someone had looked at the reported US assaults in Iraq and Afghanistan and noticed that 12 or 15 assaults in about a two year period all had 30 casualties.

402 Gus  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:41:42am

We gotta get out of this place
If it's the last thing we ever do
We gotta get out of this place
Girl, there's a better life for me and you
Somewhere baby, somehow I know it...

403 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:42:33am

re: #384 iceweasel

Hurrah for the Onion! They made a great point here.

But (seriously) speaking of flag laws, there's recently been some flag-related litigation that bugs me.

There have been dozens of cases like this, so I'll cite one as an example:

[Link: www.ldjackson.net...]

and this

[Link: www.theblaze.com...]

(sorry, I didn't have time to find reputable sites for the links)

And in response to this, legislators have been legislating:

[Link: www.lonestarreport.org...]

Here's what bugs me: These people, fully informed with agents and lawyers, signed contracts when they bought their property. They're the unpatriotic ones because they knowingly signed a contract that restricted them from flying an American flag on a flagpole!

It seems "Unamerican" to sign a contract, and then have the Government try to make it null and void through legislation. The second flag story calls the HOA "socialist", but who's the socialist here? I think it's the people who want the GOVERNMENT to override a CONTRACT between two fully-informed people (who most likely had expert representation with them when they signed the thing.)

I purposely elected to buy property that had no CC&R restrictions and no HOA. That's because I love America (slight sarcasm here, but only slight.).

404 Gus  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:44:12am

re: #401 darthstar

The way you get away with killing hundreds of thousands of people is by claiming you don't keep count of civilian casualties for as long as possible...and you never report more than 30 deaths at a time. That's the magic number according to something I read with Rumsfeld a few years back...anything over that, and people start wondering if too much force was used. Someone had looked at the reported US assaults in Iraq and Afghanistan and noticed that 12 or 15 assaults in about a two year period all had 30 casualties.

Hey! You can't question the actions of a civilian military in a democracy. That's downright un-American. Only people living in dictatorships do that.

//

405 darthstar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:46:24am

re: #403 reuven

I've got an American flag my parents gave me in my yard. Little one - about 18x24...nylon...stands next to our driveway rain or shine. I need to buy a flag pole and a full sized "flew over the White House" flag in the next week or so...first 4th of July in our new house...I'm gonna rock it.

407 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:47:57am

re: #405 darthstar

*MY* flag flew over the USS Arizona.

408 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:48:00am

re: #405 darthstar

I've got an American flag my parents gave me in my yard. Little one - about 18x24...nylon...stands next to our driveway rain or shine. I need to buy a flag pole and a full sized "flew over the White House" flag in the next week or so...first 4th of July in our new house...I'm gonna rock it.

IIRC, you can have a flag flown over the Capitol in your or someone else's name. (nice present for someone)

409 Gus  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:48:13am

Birth name Eric Victor Burdon
Born 11 May 1941 (1941-05-11) (age 70)
Walker, Newcastle upon Tyne, England

410 Gus  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:49:17am

re: #405 darthstar

I've got an American flag my parents gave me in my yard. Little one - about 18x24...nylon...stands next to our driveway rain or shine. I need to buy a flag pole and a full sized "flew over the White House" flag in the next week or so...first 4th of July in our new house...I'm gonna rock it.

I've got one flying over my temp "work station". Also got one on the back of my car -- sticker. Ha! I'm a real American!

Now all of the lurkers are scratching their heads. ;)

411 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:49:53am

re: #408 Cannadian Club Akbar

IIRC, you can have a flag flown over the Capitol in your or someone else's name. (nice present for someone)

[Link: usgovinfo.about.com...]

412 Political Atheist  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:50:29am

Real hero aviator

Goodyear lost a blimp.

413 darthstar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:51:06am

re: #408 Cannadian Club Akbar

IIRC, you can have a flag flown over the Capitol in your or someone else's name. (nice present for someone)

Holy fuck...there's like a dozen different flag makers out there. Okay, Lizards...who can point me to a place where I can get a real American flag...any online vendors I can trust? I'm not about to wade into the froogle cesspool of options.

414 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:51:54am

re: #410 Gus 802

With all due respect, isn't sticking a flag on the back of a car bumper, that will get all dirty and covered with exhaust, a little disrespectful? It's certainly not one of the approved ways to display a flag. I always figured the people who had American Flag Stickers (or license plate frames with G-d's name on it) were making the point that they hated America, (or G-d).

/ (Again, only being 3/4 sarcastic)

415 darthstar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:52:44am

re: #410 Gus 802

I've got one flying over my temp "work station". Also got one on the back of my car -- sticker. Ha! I'm a real American!

Now all of the lurkers are scratching their heads. ;)

I had a sticker on the back of the car I had before 9/11. And after the anthrax fear fest, I put a piece of duct tape across it in protest. That got a lot of comments.

416 darthstar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:54:09am

Okay...just because I'm feeling patriotic this morning...a treat for all of you.

417 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:54:36am

"Admax Shangai" sells American flags, Cheap!

[Link: www.admax.com.cn...]

418 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:54:46am

re: #415 darthstar

I had a sticker on the back of the car I had before 9/11. And after the anthrax fear fest, I put a piece of duct tape across it in protest. That got a lot of comments.

I don't like to put bumper stickers or any kind of ornament on my vehicle.

419 darthstar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:55:29am

re: #414 reuven

With all due respect, isn't sticking a flag on the back of a car bumper, that will get all dirty and covered with exhaust, a little disrespectful? It's certainly not one of the approved ways to display a flag. I always figured the people who had American Flag Stickers (or license plate frames with G-d's name on it) were making the point that they hated America, (or G-d).

/ (Again, only being 3/4 sarcastic)

I'll let John Prine speak to this...

420 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:55:59am

re: #417 reuven

"Admax Shangai" sells American flags, Cheap!

[Link: www.admax.com.cn...]

I sell Israeli flags.

421 darthstar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:56:44am

re: #418 Alouette

I don't like to put bumper stickers or any kind of ornament on my vehicle.

My bumpers are all clean right now...going to add "HMB" ovals to represent Half Moon Bay, but haven't done that yet. When I was a young Deadhead I had so many stickers on my car you couldn't tell what color it was.

422 wee fury  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:57:14am

Missed the debate.
Looked and smelled the flowers instead.
It was good.

423 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:57:18am

re: #420 Alouette

I have one of those, too! And when the Mosiach comes, I'll stop flying my American flag on 7/4 and and I'll fly that one.

424 darthstar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:57:41am

re: #420 Alouette

I sell Israeli flags.

Don't get high on your own supply. :)

425 Gus  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 6:57:49am

re: #414 reuven

With all due respect, isn't sticking a flag on the back of a car bumper, that will get all dirty and covered with exhaust, a little disrespectful? It's certainly not one of the approved ways to display a flag. I always figured the people who had American Flag Stickers (or license plate frames with G-d's name on it) were making the point that they hated America, (or G-d).

/ (Again, only being 3/4 sarcastic)

I only did it to piss off Denver liberals and my sister.

/1/16th sarcasm.

//

426 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 7:00:03am

Ok! Now off to work! *Someone* has to earn money and pay taxes to cover all you deadbeats!

See ya'll tonight or tomorrow.

427 Gus  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 7:00:22am

I iz hungry. Which means I either go for a drive or ask Rainwoman if I can go inside to make something to eat. Decisions, decisions.

428 darthstar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 7:00:52am

7am...time to run the dogs...and myself.

429 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 7:01:05am

re: #396 darthstar

There were two, maybe three candidates on stage last night, and surprisingly, Michele Bachmann was one of them. If last night was any indication, this primary will boil down to her and Mitt going at it in a few months. T-Paw's a dud, Gingrich is whoring his own books and wife for profit, Santorum is just looking for attention and a job with another network that pays six figures, Paul is just Paul, and Cain I can't figure out.

Bachmann being the gen-yew-wine grassroots crazy, and Mitt being the safe GOP establishment. Bottom up v top down, should be fun to watch!

430 Gus  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 7:01:15am

re: #426 reuven

Ok! Now off to work! *Someone* has to earn money and pay taxes to cover all you deadbeats!

See ya'll tonight or tomorrow.

Back to work for you! Someone has to pay for my pending NEA grant.

//

431 Gus  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 7:03:06am

NEA Grant Request:

A. Nudity
B. Body paint.
C. Smashing a bunch of iPhones and Kindles to bits.

//

432 Flavia  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 7:29:19am

re: #174 SanFranciscoZionist

Why do English actors always end up playing Romans? They don't look a thing like the statues.



(It was a BBC production!!)

433 aagcobb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 7:31:42am

re: #429 WindUpBird

Bachmann being the gen-yew-wine grassroots crazy, and Mitt being the safe GOP establishment. Bottom up v top down, should be fun to watch!

If Bachmann wins Iowa, I think T-Paw is finished unless he has a strong showing in NH. Then SC should clear out the riff-raff and we will know who the anti-Romney is.

434 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 7:37:11am

What right wing terrorism?
Montana manhunt targets ex-militia leader, survivalist


Burgert is the former leader of a Flathead County militia group known as Project 7, named for the number "7" on Flathead County license plates in Montana. Project 7 allegedly plotted to assassinate local officials, go to war with the National Guard and overthrow the federal government.
435 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 7:38:24am

Well, the MSM and blogs seem pretty unimpressed with the debates last night. The big story seems to be Pawlenty chickening out on attacking Romney for healthcare reform.

436 wiffersnapper  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 7:38:54am

Didn't watch it, I have a life!

437 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 7:39:08am

Huntsman didn't debate?

438 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 7:43:24am

re: #437 Bulworth

Huntsman didn't debate?

Nope, he did show up.

439 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 7:46:19am

re: #435 Killgore Trout

Well, the MSM and blogs seem pretty unimpressed with the debates last night. The big story seems to be Pawlenty chickening out on attacking Romney for healthcare reform.

I didn't even know there was a debate on last night; I was too busy catching fish. However, I wouldn't have watched it even if I had known. It's like watching water swirling around a toilet; you know what's in it and where it's going to end up.

440 Obdicut  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 7:46:46am

re: #435 Killgore Trout

It was pretty tame and lame performances from everyone. I mean, I know they were frothing at the mouth with anti-Obama sentiment, but aside from Bachmann's normal distortions and the average bunch of lies, what was said there is the new normal in the GOP. They're just at the average level of derpitude and sleaziness found in the elected officials and leadership of the GOP.

441 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 7:49:07am

I'm still struggling with the idea of Ron Paul being a legitimate option in an LGF poll.

I voted for Obama in the poll at the top, because that's who each of the participants was distinguishing him or herself from, and if they meant it as a favorable comparison -- FAIL.

442 Obdicut  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 7:50:07am

re: #441 wrenchwench

I'd never really listened to Paul before, and didn't realize how clearly insane he sounds. I'm kinda shocked there's that much support for a dude who's basically a conspiracy theorist.

443 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 7:50:43am

re: #441 wrenchwench

I'm still struggling with the idea of Ron Paul being a legitimate option in an LGF poll.

He hasn't ever been a legitimate option. We have to include him, though. It's become an LGF tradition.

444 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 7:52:48am

re: #443 thedopefishlives

He hasn't ever been a legitimate option. We have to include him, though. It's become an LGF tradition.

Ron Paul has to be an option on every LGF poll even if he has nothing to do with the subject of the poll.

445 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 7:54:50am

re: #439 thedopefishlives

I didn't even know there was a debate on last night; I was too busy catching fish. However, I wouldn't have watched it even if I had known. It's like watching water swirling around a toilet; you know what's in it and where it's going to end up.

Catch anything?

446 blueraven  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 7:55:25am

I am a bit surprised that anyone saw Cain as a winner in this debate. He was clearly out of his league. The whole "Muslim in the administration, loyalty test" debacle was painful.

447 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:00:13am

re: #445 Killgore Trout

Catch anything?

4 adult largemouth between 15" and 16"; 4 baby largemouth; and 5 sunfish/bluegill of varying sizes. In two days. The Mrs. Fish caught a monster 16.5" largemouth, a handful of sunfish, two baby largemouth, and a baby smallmouth.

448 Political Atheist  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:01:59am

I voted Barack Obama just based on what factcheck.org is gonna do to these guys. That's gonna be ugly.

449 Randy W. Weeks  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:02:05am

re: #442 Obdicut

I'd never really listened to Paul before, and didn't realize how clearly insane he sounds. I'm kinda shocked there's that much support for a dude who's basically a conspiracy theorist.

Paul used to be on a local talk show here all the time maybe 25-30 years ago. They guy was crazy as a loon then (and I was pretty crazy at the time and he was too crazy for me) and he's still crazy.

How he got to the point he's at now is just baffling to me.

450 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:03:04am

re: #442 Obdicut

I'd never really listened to Paul before, and didn't realize how clearly insane he sounds. I'm kinda shocked there's that much support for a dude who's basically a conspiracy theorist.

I'm realizing that as I get older, and wiser, and think deeper, I get stupider and do a lot more spacier shit that I was in my 20's. In my 20's I was smart, but didn't think things through as much.

I was struck by how it seemed Ron Paul's logic was not deep or wise, like myself when I was in my early 20's.

My apologies to the 20 something lizards, I'm only speaking of myself and friends, and Ron Paul.

451 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:05:00am

re: #447 thedopefishlives

4 adult largemouth between 15" and 16"; 4 baby largemouth; and 5 sunfish/bluegill of varying sizes. In two days. The Mrs. Fish caught a monster 16.5" largemouth, a handful of sunfish, two baby largemouth, and a baby smallmouth.

Nice! A lot of people throw the bluegill back but I think they're delicious.

452 Obdicut  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:05:52am

re: #450 BigPapa

I'm going to be totally honest with you and say that I have no clue what the hell you just said. I don't know if I need more coffee or what, but my mind is grappling with your post like an octopus on a greased-up leper.

453 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:07:04am

re: #451 Killgore Trout

Nice! A lot of people throw the bluegill back but I think they're delicious.

We were catch-and-release only. I fish mainly for the fight. I love the thrill of hooking a large bass; I'd never caught one before last year.

454 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:07:44am

Fox News headline for the right wing terrorist story (#434): Man Hunt for Real Life Rambo

455 Obdicut  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:09:16am

re: #454 Killgore Trout

Seriously? That's some fucked up shit. Making guys like that out to be heroes is goddamn dangerous. What if someone else sees that and decides he wants some of that glory?

Dumb-asses.

456 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:09:37am

re: #452 Obdicut

I'm going to be totally honest with you and say that I have no clue what the hell you just said. I don't know if I need more coffee or what, but my mind is grappling with your post like an octopus on a greased-up leper.

Maybe it's an old-people thing. Makes sense to me.

Nice image there. And coffee never hurts, unless you have a heart condition.

457 Obdicut  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:11:31am

re: #456 wrenchwench

Maybe it's an old-people thing. Makes sense to me.

Nice image there. And coffee never hurts, unless you have a heart condition.

I'm in the middle of moving, so my mind is just chock full of all the crap we need to do. I've been totally spacey for days.

458 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:12:29am

re: #457 Obdicut

I'm in the middle of moving, so my mind is just chock full of all the crap we need to do. I've been totally spacey for days.

Moving? Sounds like good times. Is this a forced movement or are you actually looking forward to this (after all the actual work is done)?

459 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:14:18am

re: #457 Obdicut

I'm in the middle of moving, so my mind is just chock full of all the crap we need to do. I've been totally spacey for days.

Moving sucks. We moved two doors west of our previous location in March/April (and up about 10 feet in elevation), and the proximity didn't make it suck much less.

460 Lidane  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:14:34am

Today is promising to be interesting. My car wouldn't start so I had to take the bus this morning. Found out my immediate boss really did get fired yesterday. Yes, I know why. No, I won't say. But all the work I was doing for her is now in flux.

Add to that the fact that I forgot to take my PCOS meds today and it can only get better from here. Here's hoping, anyway. *crosses fingers*

461 Obdicut  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:16:13am

re: #459 wrenchwench

re: #458 thedopefishlives

WE're moving about 20 blocks away, closer to Harlem and a little closer to the park. I'll be very happy to be out of grad student housing. It's carpeted and, though it's really nice for grad student housing, it feels institutional. The new place has hardwood floors, greenery visible outside, and won't be in a building full of med students.

Hired movers from a real company for the first time ever.

462 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:18:04am
463 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:18:14am

re: #452 Obdicut

I'm going to be totally honest with you and say that I have no clue what the hell you just said. I don't know if I need more coffee or what, but my mind is grappling with your post like an octopus on a greased-up leper.

Ron Paul sounds like me in my early 20's. Mile wide and inch deep conservatism.

(about the time I was actually listening to Limbaugh)

464 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:18:53am

re: #463 BigPapa

Ron Paul sounds like me in my early 20's. Mile wide and inch deep conservatism.

(about the time I was actually listening to Limbaugh)

Heck, sounds like me in my early 20's, which would be about 3 years ago.

465 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:20:24am

re: #464 thedopefishlives

Heck, sounds like me in my early 20's, which would be about 3 years ago.

Yeah, well I can't speak for all 20 somethings so please take no offense. Some people don't make it past their teens.

466 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:20:52am

Okay, it is 2011. Why, in the name of all that is holy, have appliance manufacturers not gotten onboard with the idea of installing self-setting clocks in everything? *muttergrumblemutter* Damned Dominion Power...

467 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:21:14am

re: #460 Lidane

Today is promising to be interesting. My car wouldn't start so I had to take the bus this morning. Found out my immediate boss really did get fired yesterday. Yes, I know why. No, I won't say. But all the work I was doing for her is now in flux.

Add to that the fact that I forgot to take my PCOS meds today and it can only get better from here. Here's hoping, anyway. *crosses fingers*

I looked it up on Wikipedia. Sounds like even less fun than the usual hormonal roller coaster. I hope your day is interesting in only good ways.

468 Obdicut  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:24:11am

re: #463 BigPapa

Thank you.

469 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:28:08am

re: #466 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Okay, it is 2011. Why, in the name of all that is holy, have appliance manufacturers not gotten onboard with the idea of installing self-setting clocks in everything? *muttergrumblemutter* Damned Dominion Power...

Someone asked me once why more places don't run underground power lines like they do in the Plains states. In answer, I point them to the weather map of the Midwest, where the temperature fluctuations are extreme and damage would/does occur regularly to below-ground fixtures like gas lines, power lines, and water mains. At least aerial lines are easier to get to and repair.

470 abolitionist  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:30:41am

re: #460 Lidane

Today is promising to be interesting. My car wouldn't start so I had to take the bus this morning. [snip]

{ Lidane }
Very common causes for car not starting:
1) Some light was left on and ran battery down.
2) Battery connector(s) loose and/or corroded.
3) One or more cells of battery are near-dry.
The corrosion issue is helped significantly by some oil or grease applied to the battery posts & connectors. (Oil from the dipstick may suffice.) For the low-fluid issue, you need to add some distilled water --enough to be sure the plates are covered. Beyond that, more is not better.

471 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:31:38am

morning all!

How is it going?

472 Political Atheist  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:33:04am

re: #461 Obdicut

re: #458 thedopefishlives

WE're moving about 20 blocks away, closer to Harlem and a little closer to the park. I'll be very happy to be out of grad student housing. It's carpeted and, though it's really nice for grad student housing, it feels institutional. The new place has hardwood floors, greenery visible outside, and won't be in a building full of med students.

Hired movers from a real company for the first time ever.

Congrats. I'll bet that all feels great. You earned it.

473 Lidane  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:33:21am

re: #470 abolitionist

Knowing me, it's #1. I probably left something on and the battery ran down. I'll get it jumped when I get home.

474 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:35:15am

I HATE moving.

Last time I did it was 12 years ago. It was supposed to be only for 2-3 years. We are still here because I just can't fathom moving again.

476 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:36:46am

re: #466 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Okay, it is 2011. Why, in the name of all that is holy, have appliance manufacturers not gotten onboard with the idea of installing self-setting clocks in everything? *muttergrumblemutter* Damned Dominion Power...

When the Truthers were at their peak, there was a guy who posted a shocking expose' on the Loose Change forum proving that the New World Order had "hacked" his computer and was monitoring his activities.

His evidence for this sinister turn of events was that he noticed his software firewall was blocking outbound connections to nist.gov at regular intervals. NIST was part of The Big Conspiracy, because of this. RED ALERT.

Paranoia and hilarity ensued until someone pointed out to him that what he was seeing was the Windows XP system clock just trying to sync with NIST's public time server.

477 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:37:01am

re: #475 Alouette

In addition to fueling eating disorders, the fashion industry is also...racist.

I know, you'd think they'd want the extremes --very white or very black to show off the clothes better.

478 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:37:02am

re: #469 thedopefishlives

Someone asked me once why more places don't run underground power lines like they do in the Plains states. In answer, I point them to the weather map of the Midwest, where the temperature fluctuations are extreme and damage would/does occur regularly to below-ground fixtures like gas lines, power lines, and water mains. At least aerial lines are easier to get to and repair.

It's not so much the losing power that pisses me off...well okay, it mostly is, but it's the fact that every time we lose power, even if for only two minutes, I have to go around the house resetting every...single...clock.

479 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:39:06am

re: #474 ggt

I HATE moving.

Last time I did it was 12 years ago. It was supposed to be only for 2-3 years. We are still here because I just can't fathom moving again.

I moved around a lot as a kid. I hated it but there were a lot of great adventures. I'm content to stay put now.

480 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:39:18am

WEll, in the VEry Far Western Parts of Chicagoland, they have a hard enough time knowing where all the other buried cables and pipes are. If they burined the power lines, they'd be cut everytime someone decided to plant a tree or do simple landscaping.

LOL

481 Lidane  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:39:25am

re: #467 wrenchwench

I looked it up on Wikipedia. Sounds like even less fun than the usual hormonal roller coaster.

I thought I was going crazy for ages. Mood swings, erratic periods, etc. I couldn't figure out what the hell was wrong with me and one of my aunts suggested it might be my thyroid, so I went to an endocrinologist. Turned out to be PCOS, which explained everything.

It sucks, but having a diagnosis helps. At least I now have meds to stabilize my hormones and I know how to manage my symptoms. Except I forgot my meds this morning. Oh well. I'll take my evening dosage and just call it even. I'll make up for it tomorrow.

I hope your day is interesting in only good ways.

There's hope. It looks like I might be pulled off some of the more mundane busywork I'd been doing for my boss and put onto projects that are more interesting and which have a wider scope. No more monitoring HootSuite and Twitter for me, I hope.

482 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:39:51am

re: #479 Killgore Trout

I moved around a lot as a kid. I hated it but there were a lot of great adventures. I'm content to stay put now.

Yeah, me too. Not an army brat or anything. Just been thru it enough.

483 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:40:29am

re: #481 Lidane

I thought I was going crazy for ages. Mood swings, erratic periods, etc. I couldn't figure out what the hell was wrong with me and one of my aunts suggested it might be my thyroid, so I went to an endocrinologist. Turned out to be PCOS, which explained everything.

It sucks, but having a diagnosis helps. At least I now have meds to stabilize my hormones and I know how to manage my symptoms. Except I forgot my meds this morning. Oh well. I'll take my evening dosage and just call it even. I'll make up for it tomorrow.

There's hope. It looks like I might be pulled off some of the more mundane busywork I'd been doing for my boss and put onto projects that are more interesting and which have a wider scope. No more monitoring HootSuite and Twitter for me, I hope.

Hormones suck. and it doesn't get any better . . .

Sorry to report.

484 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:43:54am
485 abolitionist  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:45:58am

re: #478 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It's not so much the losing power that pisses me off...well okay, it mostly is, but it's the fact that every time we lose power, even if for only two minutes, I have to go around the house resetting every...single...clock.

I have a grandfather-styled clock on my living room wall runs for a couple years on one C-cell; AA can fit too, and works for several months. Has a short pendulum. Many modern mains-powered clocks have an option for a battery backup, typically a 9v, altho most folk just ignore that.

486 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:46:52am

OMG, I didn't even read the article, the picture is enough.

487 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:47:16am

re: #484 ggt

So, basically, she is an idiot.?

Basically, we're supposed to applaud her for being more interesting than the statues she shared the stage with, even if ever other word out of her mouth was a talking point or obvious lie.

488 martinsmithy  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:48:01am

Sorry to burst the bubble of some who think that the Republican field verbally soiled itself last night, but (for Republicans) they actually came out quite reasonably. I know that Romney isn't very popular here (I don't care for the guy either) but if unemployment stays high and he makes it to the nomination I'd take even odds that he would beat Obama.

489 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:48:03am

re: #487 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Basically, we're supposed to applaud her for being more interesting than the statues she shared the stage with, even if ever other word out of her mouth was a talking point or obvious lie.

Hillary would have her for breakfast. . . .

490 martinsmithy  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:48:32am

OTOH, Obama would clean up the floor with Michelle Bachmann.

491 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:49:39am

Puppy found an empty Gatorade bottle and is contented. I think I"ll let him have it.

492 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:51:00am

re: #488 martinsmithy

Sorry to burst the bubble of some who think that the Republican field verbally soiled itself last night, but (for Republicans) they actually came out quite reasonably. I know that Romney isn't very popular here (I don't care for the guy either) but if unemployment stays high and he makes it to the nomination I'd take even odds that he would beat Obama.

If anything, Romney's performance last night cemented my reasoning against voting for him. He spent the entire time all but screaming "I'm not a RINO!," trying to out wingnut the other wingnuts on the stage. The only time he actually looked uncomfortable was when they needled him about "Obamneycare."

493 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:51:04am

Did Bachman say what SHE would do about jobs and the economy?

Oh, Tax credits, etc . . .

494 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:51:05am

re: #479 Killgore Trout

I moved around a lot as a kid. I hated it but there were a lot of great adventures. I'm content to stay put now.

I love the song Gus posted:

re: #406 Gus 802

The Animals - We've Gotta Get Out Of This Place (1965)

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

It runs through my head for weeks when I'm moving to a new town, which I've done five times as an adult. The most adventurous move, though, was when I was 6, my Dad moved us from Wisconsin to California. He drove the cars and brought my 8 year old brother, with the station wagon towing the VW bug, and my Mom flew with me and my younger brother and sister. My Dad was so brave. He didn't have a job lined up first. This was 1963. Three more kids were born in California.

495 BongCrodny  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:51:47am

re: #484 ggt

So, basically, she is an idiot.?


What do you mean, "basically"?

496 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:52:53am

re: #495 BongCrodny

What do you mean, "basically"?

Well, the article seemed to be a multi-paragraph attempt to say "she's an idiot".

497 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:53:52am

re: #483 ggt

Hormones suck. and it doesn't get any better . . .

Sorry to report.

I'm still hoping that eventually it does....

498 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:54:37am

re: #497 wrenchwench

I'm still hoping that eventually it does...

My older friends tell me not.

499 Interesting Times  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:55:28am

re: #477 ggt

I know, you'd think they'd want the extremes --very white or very black to show off the clothes better.

De Beers is smart enough to know this. Would that ad be nearly as effective with a pale-skinned model?

500 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:55:37am

re: #498 ggt

My older friends tell me not.

How about your older older friends?

/

501 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:55:41am

re: #494 wrenchwench

I love the song Gus posted:

re: #406 Gus 802

It runs through my head for weeks when I'm moving to a new town, which I've done five times as an adult. The most adventurous move, though, was when I was 6, my Dad moved us from Wisconsin to California. He drove the cars and brought my 8 year old brother, with the station wagon towing the VW bug, and my Mom flew with me and my younger brother and sister. My Dad was so brave. He didn't have a job lined up first. This was 1963. Three more kids were born in California.

If you were young in 1963, you didn't know how not to be brave.

502 BongCrodny  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:55:48am

re: #496 ggt

Well, the article seemed to be a multi-paragraph attempt to say "she's an idiot".


Yeah, that's what I got out of it. I was just snarking about the qualifier.

503 Lidane  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:56:35am

re: #488 martinsmithy

Sorry to burst the bubble of some who think that the Republican field verbally soiled itself last night, but (for Republicans) they actually came out quite reasonably.

I don't think the word "reasonable" means what you think it means.

504 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:57:19am

re: #501 Decatur Deb

If you were young in 1963, you didn't know how not to be brave.

I guess that was my Dad. I wasn't brave -- they took me against my will. I was afraid of the earthquakes (but not the tornadoes we left behind) and for years I'd complain that I missed the snow.

505 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:58:33am

re: #504 wrenchwench

I guess I was a good little Cheesehead.

506 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:59:26am

How often do people here think the military develops a new fighter or bomber?

I ask because, last week, a caller to my radio station was mocking Congressman Randy Neugebauer for his effort to "save the B-1 bomber." The context had been a discussion of pork barrel production programs, with the F-111 of the 1960s and a prime example. The caller obviously believed that Neugebauer was seeking to continue production of the B-1, not knowing that this program has been over for 23 years. What Neugebauer actually wanted to do was slow down the retirement of the B-1s. This has its porkish aspect, too, but nothing like building the things in the first place did.

In fact, there is no new bomber authorized for production, although there is a study program called "Next Generation Bomber" that might or might not result in hardware toward the middle of this century. Just recently, I heard a local Paulian disparage the Air Force for researching a new bomber at all, claiming this was only because the senior officers of the AF had made their reputations in bombers and therefore had an emotional attachment to them. He claimed to have gotten this from a recent editorial in TNR but I haven't seen it there. It is the kind of thing liberal pubs used to run but the Rockwell Report or WND is just as likely today, if not more so.

Whatever the source, this is an especially moth-eaten and fact-free meme. I saw the same argument used against the XB-70 program in a May, 1958 editorial in Time. It may have been dated even then. In fact, the last Air Force chief who had a background in bombers was Lew Allen, who retired in 1982. The current CoS, General Norton Schwartz, was a transport pilot, the others since 1982 were all fighter pilots.
Speaking of fighters, the recently cancelled F-22 was the first new fighter program to reach production since the F-18 in 1980. The F-35 is the only new fighter development program moving toward production and it is in danger of cancellation.

507 kirkspencer  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:59:32am

re: #481 Lidane

I thought I was going crazy for ages. Mood swings, erratic periods, etc. I couldn't figure out what the hell was wrong with me and one of my aunts suggested it might be my thyroid, so I went to an endocrinologist. Turned out to be PCOS, which explained everything.

It sucks, but having a diagnosis helps. At least I now have meds to stabilize my hormones and I know how to manage my symptoms. Except I forgot my meds this morning. Oh well. I'll take my evening dosage and just call it even. I'll make up for it tomorrow.

There's hope. It looks like I might be pulled off some of the more mundane busywork I'd been doing for my boss and put onto projects that are more interesting and which have a wider scope. No more monitoring HootSuite and Twitter for me, I hope.

My wife has it. Of all the not-fun experiences, she thinks the extended perimenopause is the most wearing. It's "normal" for PCOS, so consider yourself forewarned.

508 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:01:31am

re: #493 ggt

Did Bachman say what SHE would do about jobs and the economy?

Oh, Tax credits, etc . . .

Tax cuts, de-regulate Wall Street, repeal Obamacare, etc.

Also, too: Hard to believe a major political party would, while I can still see 2008 from my house, advocate a de-regulation of the Wall Street manipulators who helped bring on the financial crisis. But that's apparently where we are as a country.

509 Lidane  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:01:44am

re: #506 Shiplord Kirel

How often do people here think the military develops a new fighter or bomber?

Pfft. Who needs facts? Didn't you know that threatening to cut a single dollar from the military, or retiring old/obsolete equipment or killing bloated projects that even the Pentagon doesn't want means that you hate America?

510 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:01:54am

If by "reasonable," one means that the GOP candidates didn't come off sounding (to borrow from Yahtzee) "pants on head retarded," then I'm willing to buy that. But if by "reasonable," you mean they sounded like they had some good ideas and plans to enact them, then you really need to stop drinking before noon. What we saw last night was two hours of seeing who could get the most applause for savaging a man who wasn't there, namely Pres. Obama.

511 Lidane  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:02:55am

re: #510 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Upding for the Yahtzee reference. He's hilarious.

512 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:05:03am

re: #507 kirkspencer

My wife has it. Of all the not-fun experiences, she thinks the extended perimenopause is the most wearing. It's "normal" for PCOS, so consider yourself forewarned.

I am reminded of my first comment on Intelligent Design, before I really knew what it was.

I don't see how anyone who has experienced thirty years of menstrual cycles can believe in "intelligent design." Ladies?

That's when we still had defenders of ID here. I got a couple of replies. But they didn't really know what ID was either. One of the answers was evolution-based.

513 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:05:32am

re: #499 publicityStunted

De Beers is smart enough to know this. Would that ad be nearly as effective with a pale-skinned model?

That particular model isn't your average model!

514 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:06:00am

re: #500 wrenchwench

How about your older older friends?

/

They are dead.

LOL

515 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:06:51am

Did any of the GOP contenders promise to destroy the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and imprison Elizabeth Warren? I wouldn't be surprised if they did.

516 iossarian  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:07:04am

re: #510 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

If by "reasonable," one means that the GOP candidates didn't come off sounding (to borrow from Yahtzee) "pants on head retarded," then I'm willing to buy that. But if by "reasonable," you mean they sounded like they had some good ideas and plans to enact them, then you really need to stop drinking before noon. What we saw last night was two hours of seeing who could get the most applause for savaging a man who wasn't there, namely Pres. Obama.

This, plus the midwest is currently staffed by governors who got elected on the "I'm a sane centrist Republican" ticket, and who everyone now hates for being (as anyone with a functioning brain realized all along) uber-rigid ideologues. It may not be the whole story but that's going to be an interesting subplot to the Romney saga.

517 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:07:09am

re: #514 ggt

They are dead.

LOL

So it DOES get better!

/

518 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:07:31am

re: #508 Bulworth

Tax cuts, de-regulate Wall Street, repeal Obamacare, etc.

Also, too: Hard to believe a major political party would, while I can still see 2008 from my house, advocate a de-regulation of the Wall Street manipulators who helped bring on the financial crisis. scheme to have people buy into "private investment plans" instead of government-backed Social Security. But that's apparently where we are as a country.

Expanded that for you.

519 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:08:21am

re: #509 Lidane

Pfft. Who needs facts? Didn't you know that threatening to cut a single dollar from the military, or retiring old/obsolete equipment or killing bloated projects that even the Pentagon doesn't want means that you hate America?

I prefer facts, they're all I have, and neither side is guiltless in this area. The F-111 is my favorite (historical) pork program because it had a record 4000+ sub-contractors. This literally brought it very close to the ideal pork goal of having a contractor in every Congressional district. It turned out to be a decent enough aircraft, but its development was excruciatingly long and costly.

520 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:09:15am
I don't see how anyone who has experienced thirty years of menstrual cycles can believe in "intelligent design."

Easy. God--I mean the Intelligent Designer--gets the credit for all the beautiful, neat, and complicated stuff.

Mankind, especially women-kind because Eve ate the apple, gets the blame for all the pain and suffering.

521 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:09:19am

re: #494 wrenchwench

Packing up and moving someplace else is a wonderful experience! It's mind expanding, liberating. A little scary, but something that has to be done.

My grandparents did it. Two left Lithuania, one left Belarus, and one left Gaza in 1929 when he was kicked out.

I'm glad I did it, in 1987, when I left New York City with just a few dollars to my name and drove to "Silicon Valley" where I thought there was more opportunity. I got a job with a little company called "Adobe." (I left there in 1998).

I'm looking forward to doing it once more, maybe at age 65. But this time, I think I'll try another country.

522 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:10:41am

re: #519 Shiplord Kirel

I prefer facts, they're all I have, and neither side is guiltless in this area. The F-111 is my favorite (historical) pork program because it had a record 4000+ sub-contractors. This literally brought it very close to the ideal pork goal of having a contractor in every Congressional district. It turned out to be a decent enough aircraft, but its development was excruciatingly long and costly.

Airdales.. The F111 flew. My development center was responsible for SGT York.

523 Bulworth  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:10:41am

re: #518 Decatur Deb

Expanded that for you.

Yeah, can't believe Chilean Social Security privatization made it into the debate last night. But go ahead, GOP, make my year.

524 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:11:12am

re: #512 wrenchwench

I am reminded of my first comment on Intelligent Design, before I really knew what it was.

That's when we still had defenders of ID here. I got a couple of replies. But they didn't really know what ID was either. One of the answers was evolution-based.

knees, shoulders, lumbar spines? the duck-billed platypus?

Oh, yeah, intelligent design . . .sure!

525 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:12:00am

re: #521 reuven

Packing up and moving someplace else is a wonderful experience! It's mind expanding, liberating. A little scary, but something that has to be done.

My grandparents did it. Two left Lithuania, one left Belarus, and one left Gaza in 1929 when he was kicked out.

I'm glad I did it, in 1987, when I left New York City with just a few dollars to my name and drove to "Silicon Valley" where I thought there was more opportunity. I got a job with a little company called "Adobe." (I left there in 1998).

I'm looking forward to doing it once more, maybe at age 65. But this time, I think I'll try another country.

Have at it . . . I'm staying put until they carry me out.

526 kirkspencer  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:12:11am

re: #506 Shiplord Kirel

(snip by Kirk)
Speaking of fighters, the recently cancelled F-22 was the first new fighter program to reach production since the F-18 in 1980. The F-35 is the only new fighter development program moving toward production and it is in danger of cancellation.

One of the interesting conversations going on in the air combat arena is the question of MCAV vs UCAV. There is a lot of ego involved (on all sides) which obscures the validity of many of the claims making it hard to actually evaluate them.

An unspoken but quite important factor in the F-35 development is how far along it can get before UCAVs cross the threshold of competitive effectiveness.

527 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:12:26am

re: #516 iossarian

This, plus the midwest is currently staffed by governors who got elected on the "I'm a sane centrist Republican" ticket, and who everyone now hates for being (as anyone with a functioning brain realized all along) uber-rigid ideologues. It may not be the whole story but that's going to be an interesting subplot to the Romney saga.

Exactly. They're all regurgitating the GOP boilerplate positions, from "family values" (did you know that Bachmann adopted 23 kids? No? Well, let her remind you a dozen times more.), to deregulation (bringing back jobs means becoming more "appealing" than China or India), to privatization (why trust the government with your retirement fund when you can trust Wall Street?). This wasn't an effort to differentiate between them or get real ideas, it was one aimed at making them looking "personable" and "presidential."

Or American Idol: Republican Edition.

528 Lidane  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:12:31am

re: #519 Shiplord Kirel

I prefer facts, they're all I have, and neither side is guiltless in this area.

Oh, absolutely. Both sides are completely guilty of not listening to the Pentagon and wasting billions on useless/bloated/obsolete projects to bring money home. I totally agree.

529 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:12:59am

re: #522 Decatur Deb

Airdales.. The F111 flew. My development center was responsible for SGT York.

My condolences. I briefly worked on SGT York development at White Sands. It was a good example of something that by all rights should have worked, an assembly of proven components, but never did.

530 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:13:58am

re: #521 reuven

Packing up and moving someplace else is a wonderful experience! It's mind expanding, liberating. A little scary, but something that has to be done.

My grandparents did it. Two left Lithuania, one left Belarus, and one left Gaza in 1929 when he was kicked out.

I'm glad I did it, in 1987, when I left New York City with just a few dollars to my name and drove to "Silicon Valley" where I thought there was more opportunity. I got a job with a little company called "Adobe." (I left there in 1998).

I'm looking forward to doing it once more, maybe at age 65. But this time, I think I'll try another country.

My ancestors all came here from Europe, and now I have two siblings living in Germany, and one in Colombia.

What country(s) are you considering?

531 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:14:02am

re: #477 ggt

I know, you'd think they'd want the extremes --very white or very black to show off the clothes better.

Just like they'd want the extremes of very short and very fat.

532 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:14:36am

BTW:

I LOVE YOU Joan Rivers!

Now some Republicans in NY are starting to support Marriage Equality.

533 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:14:40am

A few years ago, I saw Bachman testify in a congressional hearing about something relating to kids. I was impressed, actually. THat is really her niche. She should have stayed there.

534 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:16:07am

re: #519 Shiplord Kirel

I prefer facts, they're all I have, and neither side is guiltless in this area. The F-111 is my favorite (historical) pork program because it had a record 4000+ sub-contractors. This literally brought it very close to the ideal pork goal of having a contractor in every Congressional district. It turned out to be a decent enough aircraft, but its development was excruciatingly long and costly.

The F-111 proved the adage that a cow is a race horse designed by committee. The aircraft that the zoomies got was exactly what they wanted, but the Navy got the shaft and was lucky that Congress was willing to sign off on allowing Grumman to go forward with building the F-14. Otherwise, they'd have spent the rest of the 70s and 80s soldiering on with the F-4.

The F-35 is quickly becoming the same deal, as it's exactly the aircraft that the Air Force wants, namely an F-16 replacement. But the Navy and Marines got strong-armed into signing on, with the alternative (once again) being the cancellation of their own procurement programs in order to provide funds for yet another Air Force fighter.

535 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:18:44am

re: #529 Shiplord Kirel

My condolences. I briefly worked on SGT York development at White Sands. It was a good example of something that by all rights should have worked, an assembly of proven components, but never did.

At least it proved that the Soviet model probably wouldn't work either...

536 prairiefire  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:22:57am

re: #532 reuven

BTW:

I LOVE YOU Joan Rivers!

[Video]Now some Republicans in NY are starting to support Marriage Equality.

She is something else. The documentary "Joan Rivers -- A Piece Of Work" is interesting. She works hard![Link: joanriversapieceofwork.com...]

537 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:23:56am

re: #534 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The F-111 proved the adage that a cow is a race horse designed by committee. The aircraft that the zoomies got was exactly what they wanted, but the Navy got the shaft and was lucky that Congress was willing to sign off on allowing Grumman to go forward with building the F-14. Otherwise, they'd have spent the rest of the 70s and 80s soldiering on with the F-4.

The F-35 is quickly becoming the same deal, as it's exactly the aircraft that the Air Force wants, namely an F-16 replacement. But the Navy and Marines got strong-armed into signing on, with the alternative (once again) being the cancellation of their own procurement programs in order to provide funds for yet another Air Force fighter.

The idea that commonality will save development cost has been proven fallacious over and over but it has an irresistible attraction for each new generation of managerial whiz-kids. Commonality is possible, as the F-4 showed, but only when it wasn't a factor in the original development.

538 darthstar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:26:57am

Okay...this is pretty fucking witty...

Whole Foods Parking Lot

539 darthstar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:28:50am

re: #538 darthstar

Okay...this is pretty fucking witty...

Whole Foods Parking Lot

[Video]

Lyrics for those who don't do music at work:

Lyrics:

Intro (spoken)

Yo man...
Yo I know you see me here dude!!
I've been waiting here like 10 minutes, man!
No, no no... this is MY parking space man.
What you need to do is put your little hybrid in reverse,
And go out the way you came in.
WHAT?!?!
Yo its about to get REAL in the Whole Foods parking lot man...

Chorus (with feeling)

It's getting' REAL in the Whole Foods Parking Lot
I got my STEEL and you know it gets sparked a lot
Im on my grind homie... It's on my mind homie!
These fools with clip boards are lookin' at me like they know me!

It's getting' REAL in the Whole Foods Parking Lot
You know the DEAL with the little shopping carts they got...
Check out what I say, it happens every day...
It's how we LIVE on the west side of LA!!

Verse 1

... Im ridin' slow in my Prius...
all leather, tinted windows... you cant see us!!
Everybody's trying to park, you can feel the tension
I'm in electric mode... can't even hear the engine (Shhhhhhh)

Just then I saw a spot open up,
My timings perfect... Im creepin' up...
But then this other dude tried to steal it going the wrong way
Yo man, I've had a LONG DAY!

Chorus
(same as before)

Verse 2

Now I'm on this inside, looking at my list
Organic chicken, Kale Salad and a Lemon Twist.
Some girl in yoga pants is lookin at me funny
I'm just trying to find a decent Pinot Noir for under twenty!

Then I take it to the cheese counter, Humboldt Fog?
We just ran out sir! Really Dog?
Take it easy man, I try to calm myself...
I've been on edge ever since they took Kombucha off the shelf...

Chorus

(same as before)

Verse 3

This Busters on his iPhone talking to his friends,
Picking up some cayenne pepper for his master cleanse.
You're the most annoying dude I've ever SEEN brah...
Could you PLEASE move? You're RIGHT in front of the Quinoa.

Damn, I'm about to check out.
Pay my 80 bucks for 6 things and get the heck out.
The express lane is moving hella slow...
Man, these fools don't know... that shit is getting REAL....

540 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:30:23am

re: #24 Charles

I'll do everything in my power to make sure he doesn't.

Charles ... The way you chose to frame this poll was a very good example of how that can be done. Had you limited the voting to just the GOP debaters, you would have required voters to select a GOPer they seemed impressed with (at least in relation to other Repubs). But by giving the voters in the poll the bail out choice of President Obama, you allowed the results to be skewed against Romney, who would likely have been the choice of more Lizards than any of the other debaters. Just my two cents .... And it's good to be back in Lizard Land after my hiatus.

541 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:30:27am

re: #530 wrenchwench

Australia; Bondi Beach perhaps. I've visited there several times and have relatives there.

I want someplace where there's a lot of land and not a lot of people. (NZ is even a better choice, but too boring.)

542 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:30:30am

I will say that about 1 in 10 employees at Whole Food actually get the concept that they are there to MAKE MONEY.

Damn annoying.

543 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:31:27am

re: #537 Shiplord Kirel

The idea that commonality will save development cost has been proven fallacious over and over but it has an irresistible attraction for each new generation of managerial whiz-kids. Commonality is possible, as the F-4 showed, but only when it wasn't a factor in the original development.

It's possible to design aircraft for commonality, but generally only when the mission requirements are similar enough that designing two different versions is simply a matter of changing a few parts. Generally speaking, turning a fighter into a bomber is much, MUCH easier than turning a bomber into a fighter.

544 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:33:39am

re: #541 reuven

Australia; Bondi Beach perhaps. I've visited there several times and have relatives there.

I want someplace where there's a lot of land and not a lot of people. (NZ is even a better choice, but too boring.)

You don't have to leave the country for that. There are seven people per square mile in my county. Oh, wait. You want "not boring..."

545 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:33:40am

re: #543 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

What about the Su-27 family in Russia. Massively differing roles, but massive amounts of commonality.

546 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:34:45am

re: #540 _RememberTonyC

And it's good to be back in Lizard Land after my hiatus.

Is your hiatus about healed, then?

547 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:35:19am

BTW, guess who turned 21 today?

548 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:36:48am

re: #547 ProLifeLiberal

BTW, guess who turned 21 today?

You?

549 Winny Spencer  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:37:16am

re: #547 ProLifeLiberal

BTW, guess who turned 21 today?

No idea, but you just made me feel positively ancient.

550 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:37:29am

re: #546 wrenchwench

Is your hiatus about healed, then?

LOL ... No hiatal hernias here ... I was off the board two weeks due to my odyssey at work.

551 rhino2  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:39:34am

re: #544 wrenchwench

You don't have to leave the country for that. There are seven people per square mile in my county. Oh, wait. You want "not boring..."

I was toying with the idea of moving to Denmark myself (or some other European country) just for the experience of living somewhere other than the US for awhile.

I've never left the country at all so if it happens it should prove very interesting.

Also, afternoon lizards!

552 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:39:57am

re: #548 wrenchwench

Yep.

553 Kragar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:40:16am

re: #547 ProLifeLiberal

BTW, guess who turned 21 today?

Someone who's going to get hella drunk tonight.

554 Winny Spencer  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:40:44am

re: #552 ProLifeLiberal

Yep.

Happy birthday!

555 Ericus58  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:41:11am

re: #553 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Someone who's going to get hella drunk tonight.

I'm sure that milestone has already been accomplished prior to today ;)
congrats

556 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:41:50am

re: #538 darthstar

Okay...this is pretty fucking witty...

Whole Foods Parking Lot

[Video]

Forwarded to wife and 2 daughters.

557 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:45:39am

re: #551 rhino2

I was toying with the idea of moving to Denmark myself (or some other European country) just for the experience of living somewhere other than the US for awhile.

I've never left the country at all so if it happens it should prove very interesting.

Also, afternoon lizards!


Why Europe?
Might I suggest a third world country?
How about one with a power structure differing from representative (or any other) democracy?
Eye- opening, to be sure, but not for the faint of heart.
Ps been there, done that

558 Winny Spencer  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:45:43am

I think Mittens did really well in the debate.

559 Schadenfreude 'r' Us  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:45:53am

re: #552 ProLifeLiberal

Happy birthday!

560 darthstar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:46:05am

re: #556 Decatur Deb

Forwarded to wife and 2 daughters.

I love the lines about Kombucha and Quinoa...and I'm a big Kombucha drinker.

561 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:47:07am

re: #557 Capitalist Tool

Why Europe?
Might I suggest a third world country?
How about one with a power structure differing from representative (or any other) democracy?
Eye- opening, to be sure, but not for the faint of heart.
Ps been there, done that

And one with a useful world language.

562 Lidane  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:47:31am

re: #547 ProLifeLiberal

Way to make me feel old. I could've given birth to you back when I was in high school. =P

563 darthstar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:48:00am

Stupid new facebook "poll"
1+1+1+1+1+1+1-1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1x0=

Watching people you know guess 14,16, or 17 instead of 0?

Priceless.

564 SidewaysQuark  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:50:30am

re: #563 darthstar

Stupid new facebook "poll"
1+1+1+1+1+1+1-1+1+ 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1x0=

Watching people you know guess 14,16, or 17 instead of 0?

Priceless.

Written as is, the answer is 14, not 0.

565 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:50:44am

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!

566 Zathras  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:51:01am

re: #563 darthstar

Stupid new facebook "poll"
1+1+1+1+1+1+1-1+1+ 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1x0=

Watching people you know guess 14,16, or 17 instead of 0?

Priceless.

The answer is 14, not 0.

Order of operations.

567 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:52:14am

re: #552 ProLifeLiberal

Yep.

Happy Birthday!

568 darthstar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:52:40am

re: #566 Zathras

The answer is 14, not 0.

Order of operations.

Fuck me. I suppose adding some parentheses would have helped. Glad I didn't answer the question there and only embarrassed myself here.

569 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:52:55am

I'm lucky enough to be at a point in my life where I can afford a cleaning lady to come to the house every couple of weeks. Mine has been off for medical reasons for 6 weeks and is coming back today.

So, what have I been doing for the last 3 days? That's right, cleaning.

WIth 3 dogs, a cat and a male teenager, you can imagine what the house looked like.

I'm just hoping she doesn't quit.

I come from a family in which the women worked outside the home for generations. WE are not terribly domesticated. I think most of us would rather translate latin than clean or cook.

LOL

570 dell*nix  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:53:03am

re: #494 wrenchwench

In 1966 one of my co-workers dedicated that song to the Wing Commander at Carswell AFB. Apparently the aircrews were trying to get him fired by failing three ORIs in a row. The only ones that failed the ORIs were the aircrews. Everyone else passed.

571 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:53:35am

re: #563 darthstar

Stupid new facebook "poll"
1+1+1+1+1+1+1-1+1+ 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1x0=

Watching people you know guess 14,16, or 17 instead of 0?

Priceless.

No one said there would be math.

572 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:53:46am

Speaking of third- world countries (or maybe 4th, or 5th,)
An Eritrean volcano (Nabro) has been erupting for only the third time in recorded history. Lots of SO2 nastiness, etc.
more info
Eritrea is rated less free than North Korea in certain regards.

573 rhino2  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:55:41am

re: #555 Ericus58

I'm sure that milestone has already been accomplished prior to today ;)
congrats

I never drank before my 21st birthday (true! as long as we aren't counting "sips" allowed by a parent here and there).

re: #557 Capitalist Tool

Why Europe?
Might I suggest a third world country?
How about one with a power structure differing from representative (or any other) democracy?
Eye- opening, to be sure, but not for the faint of heart.
Ps been there, done that

Because I'm very attached to my standard of living (aka technology, indoor plumbing, etc.). I make my living as an 'IT guy' and have been on computers since I was a child, I'm very comfortable in admitting that I probably don't have what it takes to live in a third world country.

I was planning on taking a trip next year for around a month or so, visiting different places and trying to learn more about the various European nations before making a decision. I've even given some thought to places like Japan, and of course Australia (and NZ) have crossed my mind as well.

574 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:58:11am

re: #573 rhino2

I never drank before my 21st birthday (true! as long as we aren't counting "sips" allowed by a parent here and there).

re: #557 Capitalist Tool

Because I'm very attached to my standard of living (aka technology, indoor plumbing, etc.). I make my living as an 'IT guy' and have been on computers since I was a child, I'm very comfortable in admitting that I probably don't have what it takes to live in a third world country.

I was planning on taking a trip next year for around a month or so, visiting different places and trying to learn more about the various European nations before making a decision. I've even given some thought to places like Japan, and of course Australia (and NZ) have crossed my mind as well.

Make sure wherever you go they have handicap access just about everywhere. You never know what you may need in the future.

575 Winny Spencer  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:58:18am

Speaking of ancient, didn't Luap Nor really look his age last night?

576 rhino2  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:01:19am

re: #574 ggt

Make sure wherever you go they have handicap access just about everywhere. You never know what you may need in the future.

Something to keep in mind, though I doubt it will be a permanent move, but who knows.

577 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:02:08am
578 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:02:31am

re: #564 SidewaysQuark

Written as is, the answer is 14, not 0.

As someone with a Math degree, I need to introduce you to My Dear Aunt Sally.

Algebraic notation is performed with the following operator precedence:

Multiplication
Division
Addition
Subtraction

I would have said 14. And my computer agrees:

reuven$ bc -l
1+1+1+1+1+1+1-1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1*0
14

I don't do "Facebook". I've always thought it contributed to the Dumbing of America. And, apparently, I'm right.

579 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:03:30am

re: #547 ProLifeLiberal

BTW, guess who turned 21 today?

Congratulations--my truck is almost twice your age.

580 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:04:09am

re: #573 rhino2

Spoke to a lady friend about perhaps traveling to India, particularly Goa.
She replied: "Right after Paris".


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The Smiths - How Soon Is Now? (Official Music Video) Watch the official music video for "How Soon Is Now"Amazon: po.stiTunes: po.stGoogle: po.stFacebook: po.st "How Soon Is Now?" was originally a B-side of the 1984 single "William, It Was Really Nothing". "How Soon Is Now?" was featured on the ...
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2017 Hurricanes and Aerosols Simulation This is fascinating, I recommend full screen How can you see the atmosphere? By tracking what is carried on the wind. Tiny aerosol particles such as smoke, dust, and sea salt are transported across the globe, making visible weather ...
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Incredibles 2 Official Teaser Trailer The teaser trailer for "Incredibles 2" is here. Disney/Pixar's "Incredibles 2" opens in theatres in 3D June 15th, 2018. Everyone’s favorite family of superheroes is back in “Incredibles 2” – but this time Helen (voice of Holly Hunter) is ...
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Deadpool’s “Wet on Wet” Teaser After surviving a near fatal bovine attack, a disfigured cafeteria chef (Wade Wilson) struggles to fulfill his dream of becoming Mayberry’s hottest bartender while also learning to cope with his lost sense of taste. Searching to regain his spice ...
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Voice of America Reporter Outed as Alt-Right However, using information Fatzick himself posted on Reddit — including his age, girlfriend’s name, former employers, friends, location, educational background, and sports affiliations — this reporter was able to tie the vile posts of UncleSam4200 to the Voice of ...
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Gary Clark Jr - Come Together (Official Music Video) [From the Justice League Movie Soundtrack] Official Video for "Come Together" by Gary Clark Jr. featured in the Justice League Movie trailer. In theaters November 17th 2017.Directed by Kris Merc Get the song now at garyclarkjr.com Check out the Justice League soundtrack here: lnk.to Follow ...
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Kimbra - Top of the World (Official Music Video)New from Kimbra The new single Top of the World is available now on Apple Music, Spotify, Google Play, and more. Get the single here - kmbra.me The new studio album Primal Heart out wwide January 19th, 2018Preorder now - ...
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