Pakistan Arrests Informers Who Helped Find Bin Laden

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Tonight we learn that Pakistan’s military is arresting informants who cooperated with the CIA to help find Osama bin Laden.

At a closed briefing last week, members of the Senate Intelligence Committee asked Michael J. Morell, the deputy C.I.A. director, to rate Pakistan’s cooperation with the United States on counterterrorism operations, on a scale of 1 to 10.

“Three,” Mr. Morell replied, according to officials familiar with the exchange. …

Some in Washington see the arrests as illustrative of the disconnect between Pakistani and American priorities at a time when they are supposed to be allies in the fight against Al Qaeda — instead of hunting down the support network that allowed Bin Laden to live comfortably for years, the Pakistani authorities are arresting those who assisted in the raid that killed the world’s most wanted man.

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461 comments
1 albusteve  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:18:23pm

time to flee…get outa Dodge…
but I gotta think this through

2 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:18:27pm

They will not be waterboarded. It interferes with the electrodes attached to the their testicles.

3 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:18:41pm

My what lovely allies!

/dripping

4 albusteve  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:19:18pm

re: #2 Killgore Trout

They will not be waterboarded. It interferes with the electrodes attached to the their testicles.

you will burn in Hell for your insolence

5 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:19:33pm
“… instead of hunting down the support network that allowed Bin Laden to live comfortably for years, the Pakistani authorities are arresting those who assisted in the raid that killed the world’s most wanted man.”

Pretty much says it all, right there. :[

6 Political Atheist  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:19:40pm

Shall we still assume only rogue elements of the ISI supported Bin Laden? This appears to put the lie to that assertion. Pakistan is at least half dirty on this.

7 jaunte  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:20:23pm
Some in Washington see the arrests as illustrative of the disconnect between Pakistani and American priorities


This is not a surprise to many in Washington.

8 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:20:54pm

re: #2 Killgore Trout

Oh, they might get waterboarded too. It’s a popular torture.

They’ll probably work them over in all kids of ways, since at this point it’s obviously about punishment.

9 albusteve  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:21:34pm

re: #6 Rightwingconspirator

Shall we still assume only rogue elements of the ISI supported Bin Laden? This appears to put the lie to that assertion. Pakistan is at least half dirty on this.

who fucking even knows…Pakistan is a dead end…terrorists are virtually everywhere

10 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:21:50pm

re: #4 albusteve

you will burn in Hell for your insolence

I will burn in hell for my blasphemy, debauchery and godless atheism. Insolence only moves me to a hotter room.

11 albusteve  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:22:57pm

re: #8 Obdicut

Oh, they might get waterboarded too. It’s a popular torture.

They’ll probably work them over in all kids of ways, since at this point it’s obviously about punishment.

yup…it’s a dire region
don’t go there

12 Political Atheist  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:23:25pm

The pro radical sentiment at ISI combined with the already miniaturized nuclear warheads is just terrifying. If the west gets nuked by a Pakistani warhead, then what?

14 albusteve  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:24:01pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

I will burn in hell for my blasphemy, debauchery and godless atheism. Insolence only moves me to a hotter room.

fine…it will be on your bill

15 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:24:39pm

re: #6 Rightwingconspirator

Shall we still assume only rogue elements of the ISI supported Bin Laden? This appears to put the lie to that assertion. Pakistan is at least half dirty on this.

And there’s little to be done about it. We need to seriously think about what we’re going to do if Pakistan collapses, including both what it means for our presence in Afghanistan and the matter of Pakistan’s nukes. Given that we cannot allow those nukes loose, I do hope plans are being made to secure or destroy them.

16 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:25:14pm

Pakistan is currently believed to have about 100 nuclear weapons.

17 Political Atheist  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:25:23pm

re: #15 Dark_Falcon

I can see no option but to steal or wreck the nukes in that event.

18 albusteve  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:25:46pm

re: #15 Dark_Falcon

And there’s little to be done about it. We need to seriously think about what we’re going to do if Pakistan collapses, including both what it means for our presence in Afghanistan and the matter of Pakistan’s nukes. Given that we cannot allow those nukes loose, I do hope plans are being made to secure or destroy them.

if not, it would be the biggest blunder in world history

19 Political Atheist  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:27:25pm

re: #16 Charles

And the ability to deliver them in a large radius. What happens when they have global reach?
en.wikipedia.org

20 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:27:25pm

re: #16 Charles

Pakistan is currently believed to have about 100 nuclear weapons.

Keeping the Taliban from getting those is the only reason we have to be in the area, IMHO.

21 windsagio  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:27:32pm

re: #18 albusteve

the US gov’t was actually trying to get access to ‘secure’ them, but the pakistanis were understandably unwilling to do that.

That being said, I bet we know EXACTLY where they are and have the ordinance ready to go at a moments notice.

22 b_sharp  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:27:34pm

re: #16 Charles

Pakistan is currently believed to have about 100 nuclear weapons.

What is the range on the boosters.

23 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:28:34pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

I will burn in hell for my blasphemy, debauchery and godless atheism. Insolence only moves me to a hotter room.

With a better view of the burning lake of fire, or so I hear.

24 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:28:58pm

Iran’s about to get nukes. North Korea would like everyone to think it is a nuclear power.

25 Political Atheist  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:29:13pm

re: #21 windsagio

Given the ability of terrorists to hide over there why would you dismiss the ability of the Pakistani military to hide their most precious destructive assets?

I’d guess we could only find some, far from all in a short period.

26 jaunte  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:29:30pm

re: #22 b_sharp

This article says 60km
asian-defence.blogspot.com

27 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:29:38pm

re: #22 b_sharp

What is the range on the boosters.

Enough to hit Tehran or southern China. Not sure if they could hit Beijing yet, but they could hit anywhere in India.

28 b_sharp  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:30:17pm

re: #19 Rightwingconspirator

And the ability to deliver them in a large radius. What happens when they have global reach?
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

2500km isn’t that large on a global scale, but deadly enough for millions of people.

29 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:30:23pm

re: #22 b_sharp

Central Asia, South Asia, and the Middle East. Can’t reach us. However, They can wreck much of the central area of Asia.

30 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:30:25pm

re: #26 jaunte

This article says 60km
[Link: asian-defence.blogspot.com…]

60 Km? That would be like shooting yourself in the foot.

31 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:30:31pm

re: #5 Slumbering Behemoth

Pretty much says it all, right there. :[

Indeed.

32 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:30:33pm

Certainly puts things into perspective. Here we are, shaking and shivering that Lil Kim may develop ICBMs or Dinnerjacket will finally complete his Quest for Atomic Fire, while Pakistan is slowly succumbing to a terminal case of Jihadism, putting its arsenal of 100+ nukes into play.

33 albusteve  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:30:40pm

re: #25 Rightwingconspirator

Given the ability of terrorists to hide over there why would you dismiss the ability of the Pakistani military to hide their most precious destructive assets?

I’d guess we could only find some, far from all in a short period.

I think we probably have a Keystone sat looking at the Pakistan nukes, 24/7

34 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:30:42pm

re: #15 Dark_Falcon

And there’s little to be done about it. We need to seriously think about what we’re going to do if Pakistan collapses, including both what it means for our presence in Afghanistan and the matter of Pakistan’s nukes. Given that we cannot allow those nukes loose, I do hope plans are being made to secure or destroy them.

There needs to be a NATO (with no US personell) strike team that goes in with enough strength to remove and/or destroy all the special weapons and materials.

Once that is done, we can cut them and the Taliban loose to find their own ways to hell.

35 jaunte  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:31:01pm

re: #30 Capitalist Tool

That seems to be the plan.

36 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:31:10pm

re: #27 Dark_Falcon

They wouldn’t attack China. It’s their Pimp.

37 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:31:28pm

re: #29 ProLifeLiberal

Central Asia, South Asia, and the Middle East. Can’t reach us. However, They can wreck much of the central area of Asia.

100 nuclear explosions would be enough to have a global impact no matter where they are.

38 windsagio  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:31:41pm

re: #25 Rightwingconspirator

I suspect we have the ISI as infiltrated as the Taliban really, >>

39 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:31:45pm

But, they didn’t KNOW about his compound.
I seriously think we need to re-evaluate the US position with this ally.
Just sniff around & re-look at it.

40 b_sharp  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:31:46pm

re: #29 ProLifeLiberal

Central Asia, South Asia, and the Middle East. Can’t reach us. However, They can wreck much of the central area of Asia.

I guess I should have said 100s of millions of people.

41 albusteve  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:31:51pm

re: #34 wlewisiii

There needs to be a NATO (with no US personell) strike team that goes in with enough strength to remove and/or destroy all the special weapons and materials.

Once that is done, we can cut them and the Taliban loose to find their own ways to hell.

ahahah!…forget it

42 freetoken  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:31:57pm

re: #7 jaunte

This is not a surprise to many in Washington.

For a very long time it has appeared as if Pakistan is marginally “run” by whomever is in office, and more by various factions, some in and some out of government.

We must remember that “Pakistan” is a bit of an artificial construction (thanks to the British Empire), not unlike many of the current nation states in that part of the world. The locals are not so intent on necessary following the formulae laid out by the previous empire to rule over them.

43 Political Atheist  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:32:24pm

re: #38 windsagio

Then why did it take so long to get Osama?

44 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:32:57pm

re: #33 albusteve

I think we probably have a Keystone sat looking at the Pakistan nukes, 24/7

We can assume India has no small interest in this either and they are not far behind us technologically.

45 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:33:12pm

re: #32 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Certainly puts things into perspective. Here we are, shaking and shivering that Lil Kim may develop ICBMs or Dinnerjacket will finally complete his Quest for Atomic Fire, while Pakistan is slowly succumbing to a terminal case of Jihadism, putting its arsenal of 100+ nukes into play.

The first people they’d be lilely to fire upon would be the Indians. That would unleash hell pent up since Mahatma Gandhi soothed them all into their respective corners of the ring.

46 freetoken  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:33:30pm

re: #36 ProLifeLiberal

China has offered to caretake the nukes… I think the Chinese government is very worried about Pakistan too.

The Indians are of course even more worried.

Pakistan is not just a US problem. It is a regional problem with global consequences.

That is why the US moves so gingerly wrt Pakistan in trying to change things there.

47 Political Atheist  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:33:46pm

re: #39 Floral Giraffe

Have you seen the 2008 video of Christiane Amanpour saying her sources had Osama in a “Villa in Pakistan” ? !

48 albusteve  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:33:51pm

re: #43 Rightwingconspirator

Then why did it take so long to get Osama?

because GB dropped the ball and sabotaged the entire mission….meme

49 windsagio  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:34:01pm

re: #43 Rightwingconspirator

It would be logical that somebody in cahoots with al qaeda wouldn’t be feeding information to the US, its not like their entire government knew where he was.

50 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:34:21pm

re: #36 ProLifeLiberal

They wouldn’t attack China. It’s their Pimp.

There are ways they might, if for example China was intervening to stop a governmental collapse. I could see a fanatic or ultra-nationalist pushing the button in that case. China doesn’t want Pakistan to fall into chaos, since their risk is even greater than ours.

51 windsagio  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:34:22pm

re: #48 albusteve

heh, “I don’t really think about it anymore”.

52 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:34:50pm

re: #44 Conservative Moonbat

We can assume India has no small interest in this either and they are not far behind us technologically.

India’s on the fast track to becoming a global power, with plans to have a six carrier blue-water Navy within the next couple decades, as well as strategic bomber capability. They’re no longer content to simply be a regional power.

53 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:34:55pm

Nukes are just the milking machine in the Pakistan dairy.

Don’t need to tell you about the cows.

54 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:35:13pm

re: #42 freetoken

Pakistan has always been part of either Afghanistan or India. Which leads to two things.

A- Britain shouldn’t have used the divide and conquer strategy. That has caused all sorts of issues.

B- We should have facilitated the fusion of Afghanistan and what is today Pakistan after WWII.

55 albusteve  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:35:56pm

re: #44 Conservative Moonbat

We can assume India has no small interest in this either and they are not far behind us technologically.

the Pakistan nukes are pinned…all elements of security, all components accounted for…bet me

56 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:36:04pm

re: #45 Capitalist Tool

The first people they’d be lilely to fire upon would be the Indians. That would unleash hell pent up since Mahatma Gandhi soothed them all into their respective corners of the ring.

Pakistan and India fought two major wars after Gandhi was murdered. Killed by a Hindu fanatic who hated Gandhi for insisting that Muslims had a right to live.

57 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:36:57pm

re: #46 freetoken

China cannot be thought of as a friend, and must not get those nukes. The only reason I don’t want to completely slash military spending is the fact that I think they are still in an Imperial mindset. Look at what is going on between Vietnam and China right now.

That doesn’t touch on other gripes I have.

58 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:37:22pm

re: #54 ProLifeLiberal

Pakistan has always been part of either Afghanistan or India. Which leads to two things.

A- Britain shouldn’t have used the divide and conquer strategy. That has caused all sorts of issues.

B- We should have facilitated the fusion of Afghanistan and what is today Pakistan after WWII.

It was much more Al-Jinnah who caused the division of British India that Britain. The Brits would have been fine with it becoming one country.

59 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:37:37pm

re: #45 Capitalist Tool

The first people they’d be lilely to fire upon would be the Indians. That would unleash hell pent up since Mahatma Gandhi soothed them all into their respective corners of the ring.

The bigger danger is not the Pakistanis pushing the buttons, but rather in them handing those suckers out like party favors. Put a warhead in the back of a pickup, on a cargo ship, or in a private plan and you’ve removed the “range” portion of the equation.

60 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:38:14pm

re: #56 Dark_Falcon

In other words, the assassin would be beloved by the Republicans now.

You might say, “Oh, he wasn’t Christian.” To that, I say Nikki Haley.

61 albusteve  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:38:36pm

re: #59 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The bigger danger is not the Pakistanis pushing the buttons, but rather in them handing those suckers out like party favors. Put a warhead in the back of a pickup, on a cargo ship, or in a private plan and you’ve removed the “range” portion of the equation.

not gonna happen…lost at sea

62 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:39:19pm

re: #57 ProLifeLiberal

China cannot be thought of as a friend, and must not get those nukes. The only reason I don’t want to completely slash military spending is the fact that I think they are still in an Imperial mindset. Look at what is going on between Vietnam and China right now.

That doesn’t touch on other gripes I have.

China already has better nukes than anything Pakistan has. They aren’t a friend, but if they went after Pakistan’s nukes it would be for the right reasons. Loose nukes are not a good thing for china or us.

63 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:39:23pm

re: #61 albusteve

not gonna happen…lost at sea

I’d agree, except I’m sure the me of two decades ago would have scoffed at the idea of hijackers using private jet liners as guided missiles.

64 Political Atheist  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:39:29pm

re: #49 windsagio

I don’t get the magic omniscient technology thing. Our track record sucks. Too many nuclear intel surprises over the years. People used to say we had Osama all along. Not. Saddam hid for a long time. AQ Khan got a lot done before he was stopped.

65 freetoken  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:39:41pm

re: #54 ProLifeLiberal

When I was a kid in school, in social science hour when we studied things like geography and other people, “Pakistan” had both an East and West component.

Even as a kid it seemed weird to me that a country would be in two parts so far away, separated by an even bigger country.

At that time I was unaware of religious differences, didn’t really know what a “Muslim” was (I didn’t meet a Muslim until I went to college - my own town had none that I can remember).

Then the eastern part was turned in Bangladesh, and the western part into contemporary Pakistan. Just like magic (at least if one only looked at maps.)

66 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:39:46pm

re: #58 Dark_Falcon

I distinctly remember hearing that, in order to hold India, the British used a divide and conquer strategy. Am I wrong?

Out of the 3 countries in the Indian Subcontinent, I prefer Bangladesh.

67 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:39:58pm

re: #57 ProLifeLiberal

China cannot be thought of as a friend, and must not get those nukes. The only reason I don’t want to completely slash military spending is the fact that I think they are still in an Imperial mindset. Look at what is going on between Vietnam and China right now.

That doesn’t touch on other gripes I have.

China has no need for those. They have a global nuclear reach already.

68 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:40:57pm

re: #59 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The bigger danger is not the Pakistanis pushing the buttons, but rather in them handing those suckers out like party favors. Put a warhead in the back of a pickup, on a cargo ship, or in a private plan and you’ve removed the “range” portion of the equation.

They might do that anyway,depending on the whim of whoever is in control at the moment.
I’m sure that we have people who’ve made it exceedingly clear to the Pakistanis that we know the isotope signatures of their stockpile and we’d better not ever find that signature splayed around.

69 Political Atheist  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:41:03pm

re: #57 ProLifeLiberal

China cannot be thought of as a friend, and must not get those nukes. The only reason I don’t want to completely slash military spending is the fact that I think they are still in an Imperial mindset. Look at what is going on between Vietnam and China right now.

That doesn’t touch on other gripes I have.

That is our strongest strategic challenge for the rest of my life. (I’m 51)

70 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:41:41pm

Our friends…

71 freetoken  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:41:53pm

re: #67 Conservative Moonbat

China has no need for those. They have a global nuclear reach already.

Agree.

What China fears is if the nuclear material would fall into the hands of the various groups in or around western China, who so much want to fight the Chinese majority.

72 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:41:54pm

re: #60 ProLifeLiberal

In other words, the assassin would be beloved by the Republicans now.

You might say, “Oh, he wasn’t Christian.” To that, I say Nikki Haley.

To which I answer: Some Republicans are that bigoted. I’m not, though, neither is my family nor is my senator (Mark Kirk) nor Mitt Romney. Be careful with generalizations, please.

73 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:41:55pm

re: #65 freetoken

Of course, I have some Pakistani friends that have glossed over the Bengali Genocide.

That genocide was one of the most disturbing. It killed the highest number of people in the shortest time. (1-3 million in 260 days)

74 windsagio  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:42:08pm

re: #64 Rightwingconspirator

you know how it is, ultimately a gut feeling. Could well be wrong.

But I think I’m right ;)

75 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:42:12pm

re: #46 freetoken

I think every nation is right to be worried about Pakistan.
The closer you are (India) the more worried you should be.

76 albusteve  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:42:37pm

let me say this…it would take a tremendous amt of manpower, resources, and time to steal a Pakistani nuke, put it together into some sort of deliverable form, then touch it off…currently there is nobody under the radar that could pull it off…not the Talis, or AQ or any militant…the only people capable are our own CIA or related cousin

77 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:43:47pm

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

I lived in both COS and Oklahoma. After that, I have a massively unsympathetic view of the Republican Party. I assume the worst until seen otherwise.

re: #71 freetoken

Don’t even get me started on Western China. Those groups deserve to mete out vengeance.

78 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:44:37pm

re: #75 Floral Giraffe

I wonder if certain factions still feel sore about Bangladesh….

79 Political Atheist  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:45:33pm

re: #74 windsagio

you know how it is, ultimately a gut feeling. Could well be wrong.

But I think I’m right ;)

I hope you are.

80 Kragar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:45:59pm

OT

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81 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:46:38pm

re: #64 Rightwingconspirator

I don’t get the magic omniscient technology thing. Our track record sucks. Too many nuclear intel surprises over the years. People used to say we had Osama all along. Not. Saddam hid for a long time. AQ Khan got a lot done before he was stopped.

I always hated the Tom Clancy books because he always had this “Tech Always Works” fantasy going down.

82 albusteve  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:47:13pm

we are getting our counter terrorism shit together, world wide…there is absolutely know doubt that we in the West prevail, which is another reason why I want to see us pull out of the Af/Pak regions….killing terrorists on the ground there is a loser

83 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:47:26pm

Fire up the strongly worded letter machine….
UN condemns attack against Yemeni president

The United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon condemned an assassination attack that wounded Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh in his palace earlier the month, Yemeni official Saba news agency reported Tuesday, citing Ban’s advisor as saying.

The Advisor Jamal bin Omar conveyed Ban’s condemnation during a meeting on Tuesday in Sanaa with the Yemeni Vice President Abd- Rabbu Mansour Hadi, Saba said.

84 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:47:29pm

re: #77 ProLifeLiberal

I lived in both COS and Oklahoma. After that, I have a massively unsympathetic view of the Republican Party. I assume the worst until seen otherwise.

COS?

re: #71 freetoken

Don’t even get me started on Western China. Those groups deserve to mete out vengeance.

The Chinese government has wronged them horribly, but that could not justify them using a nuke. Such an action would primarily kill people not responsible for the government’s actions.

85 recusancy  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:47:47pm

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

To which I answer: Some Republicans are that bigoted. I’m not, though, neither is my family nor is my senator (Mark Kirk) nor Mitt Romney. Be careful with generalizations, please.

The same Mark Kirk who wanted to monitor African American neighborhoods for voter fraud? Right.

86 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:49:09pm

re: #81 wlewisiii

Or assuming that individual units can’t cause a theatre-wide fuckup.

Example. Captain Short Bus (I presume that is his name) was airdropping leaflets of the Misrata Front in Libya. Except not over Qaddafi’s forces, but over the Rebels. The leaflets told the forces to surrender and run away. The rebels retreated, losing several kilometers of ground.

87 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:50:47pm

re: #84 Dark_Falcon

The airport code for Colorado Springs municipal Airport. It’s easier to use COS than type out the whole name.

I see your point about the nukes.

88 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:51:01pm

re: #86 ProLifeLiberal

Or assuming that individual units can’t cause a theatre-wide fuckup.

Example. Captain Short Bus (I presume that is his name) was airdropping leaflets of the Misrata Front in Libya. Except not over Qaddafi’s forces, but over the Rebels. The leaflets told the forces to surrender and run away. The rebels retreated, losing several kilometers of ground.

Oy! That’s a nasty mistake.

89 Political Atheist  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:51:24pm

re: #76 albusteve

The ISI could do it.

90 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:51:32pm

re: #80 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It’s a really horrible rip-off, of what was a sweet book.
Innocence is a fading commodity in our current culture.
I find that sad.

91 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:52:00pm

re: #83 Killgore Trout

Type it in BOLD!

92 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:52:09pm

re: #88 wlewisiii

Yeah. I wanted to call whoever flew the plane something else, but that word might get me into trouble.

I probably should have gone with Captain Dumbass.

93 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:53:15pm

re: #85 recusancy

The same Mark Kirk who wanted to monitor African American neighborhoods for voter fraud? Right.

I don’t consider his actions racist, in light of Chicago’s long history of voter fraud. And Election Day did not see any major complaints of discrimination. Those sent to observe voting behaved themselves. Illinois is not Mississippi, even if they are both on the east bank of the same river.

94 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:54:14pm

re: #87 ProLifeLiberal

The airport code for Colorado Springs municipal Airport. It’s easier to use COS than type out the whole name.

I see your point about the nukes.

What happened at COS that soured you on the GOP?

95 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:54:20pm

re: #84 Dark_Falcon

The Chinese government has wronged them horribly, but that could not justify them using a nuke. Such an action would primarily kill people not responsible for the government’s actions.

That’s a valid point but … when has that ever stopped human beings?

The other thing is that I could see the current Chinese government taking a Pakistani nuke and false flagging with it. When you look at the really long term history of China, it’s not especially far-fetched.

96 albusteve  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:54:29pm

re: #89 Rightwingconspirator

The ISI could do it.

I don’t think so…we have plenty of moles in the ISI….we know what they are up to…some mad scramble for a nuke would end up with a bunch of deceased people

97 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:54:30pm

re: #87 ProLifeLiberal

The airport code for Colorado Springs municipal Airport. It’s easier to use COS than type out the whole name.

Internet Pro-Tip #1,256: When searching for information about the Fresno Air Terminal, DO NOT type in FAT(dot)com. Even if you do like what you see, it will not be what you were looking for.

98 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:54:37pm

re: #25 Rightwingconspirator

Given the ability of terrorists to hide over there why would you dismiss the ability of the Pakistani military to hide their most precious destructive assets?

I’d guess we could only find some, far from all in a short period.

I’m going to guess India could find more that we could…we should be a lot better friends with Mumbai, IMHO.

I’m not sure what China knows, but the guys in Bejing can’t be super thrilled by the instability in Pakistan. The fact that this mess is on China’s border actually increases my desire to see us get the hell out of there. The Chinese don’t tolerate instability very well, and they have more hope of changing things in Pakistan than we do. If they want to, and our presence keeps them from having to act.

99 recusancy  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:55:07pm

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

To which I answer: Some Republicans are that bigoted. I’m not, though, neither is my family nor is my senator (Mark Kirk) nor Mitt Romney. Be careful with generalizations, please.

Bigoted against gays doesn’t count? (Romney)

100 Balfour Rage  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:56:41pm

Whoa, wait a minute! Pakistan is supposed to be helping us in the War on A Technique!

101 Capitalist Tool  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:56:54pm

re: #96 albusteve

I don’t think so…we have plenty of moles in the ISI…we know what they are up to…some mad scramble for a nuke would end up with a bunch of deceased people

I’d like to think you are right. Recent events are a spinning weather vane, so who knows.

102 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:57:02pm

Go the F**k to Sleep - read by Samuel L. Jackson
Youtube Video
/namaste,y’all

103 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:57:54pm

re: #95 wlewisiii

The Chinese government has wronged them horribly, but that could not justify them using a nuke. Such an action would primarily kill people not responsible for the government’s actions.

That’s a valid point but … when has that ever stopped human beings?

The other thing is that I could see the current Chinese government taking a Pakistani nuke and false flagging with it. When you look at the really long term history of China, it’s not especially far-fetched.

I tend to stay away from “false flag” scenarios myself. They’re too closely associated with conspiracy theories for my taste. No offense intended and I’m only talking about me, not anyone else.

104 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:58:39pm

re: #48 albusteve

because GB dropped the ball and sabotaged the entire mission…meme

and truth

105 laZardo  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:59:02pm

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

I tend to stay away from “false flag” scenarios myself. They’re too closely associated with conspiracy theories for my taste. No offense intended and I’m only talking about me, not anyone else.

INSAAAHD JAAAWWWB!

/obligatory

106 Balfour Rage  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:59:24pm

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

Good evening, Sir DF. How is Cubbieville treating you?

107 albusteve  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 8:59:57pm

re: #101 Capitalist Tool

I’d like to think you are right. Recent events are a spinning weather vane, so who knows.

we know, intimately, where every nuke in the world is…going astray is a HUGE non no for everybody….tons of resources and billions are spent knowing this stuff….it’s comforting

108 Jaerik  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:00:23pm

I agree with Dark Falcon. “False flag” discussions usually make me check out almost immediately.

A constant source of bafflement to me is how a lot of folks who like to claim government is absolutely incapable of so much as changing a lightbulb without oversight could also pull off say… the Kennedy Assassination, as an inside job.

109 Political Atheist  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:01:01pm

re: #98 funky chicken

Well what the future certainly holds is more and more countries being able to make nuclear warheads, orbit a satellite, and piss off a strategic opponent really bad. Since NK got away essentially scott free for testing, it’s been nearly game over for non proliferation. If they had suddenly lost some launch facilities or had a nuke factory bombed there would be teeth in the rules. Now all we got is ill enforced sanctions and those wonderful strongly worded UN letters.

110 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:02:18pm

I’m on a clunky laptop in a hotel and can’t get to pages…anyway, are there any “lesbian” bloggers in Pakistan who have been talking up the tolerance of “their” society?

What’s stranger than a man posing as a Syrian lesbian blogger? Two men posing as lesbian bloggers and being unmasked when the “Syrian” staged his/her own abduction.

The emergence of a second male imposter posing as a lesbian is the latest twist in the strange case of the “Gay Girl In Damascus,” a supposed Syrian lesbian blogger named Amina Arraf, who was the subject of headlines around the world last week after she was believed to have been abducted by two masked men.

MSNBC Video

weird

111 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:03:12pm

re: #94 Dark_Falcon

Colorado Springs has many Evangelical Organizations, and is blood-red. In fact, this city is probably what keeps Colorado purple.

I was heavily bullied for criticizing Bush, and being more Liberal than those around me during High School. I dealt with it on my own with no friends. I got to hear constant gay-bashing, and bashing of non-christians. While at the same time talking about how they are persecuted and all other things. Looking back this had the effect of having me look and doubt the Trinity. In addition, while I stayed Liberal, I became more bitter and aggressive.

112 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:03:19pm

re: #106 Kid A

Good evening, Sir DF. How is Cubbieville treating you?

It’s OK. Work is going decently and I had a fun weekend. So far, June is going well.

113 recusancy  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:03:24pm

re: #93 Dark_Falcon

I don’t consider his actions racist, in light of Chicago’s long history of voter fraud. And Election Day did not see any major complaints of discrimination. Those sent to observe voting behaved themselves. Illinois is not Mississippi, even if they are both on the east bank of the same river.

The same Mark Kirk who told China not to believe U.S. budget calculations? The same Mark Kirk who lied about his military service? Great guy.

115 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:04:47pm

re: #111 ProLifeLiberal

Colorado Springs has many Evangelical Organizations, and is blood-red. In fact, this city is probably what keeps Colorado purple.

I was heavily bullied for criticizing Bush, and being more Liberal than those around me during High School. I dealt with it on my own with no friends. I got to hear constant gay-bashing, and bashing of non-christians. While at the same time talking about how they are persecuted and all other things. Looking back this had the effect of having me look and doubt the Trinity. In addition, while I stayed Liberal, I became more bitter and aggressive.

I’m sorry that happened to you. I know how it feels, since I suffered the slings and arrows of assholes throughout high school too.

116 albusteve  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:05:28pm

re: #114 Lidane

This should go over well:

Mitt Romney: Federal Disaster Relief For Tornado And Flood Victims Is ‘Immoral,’ ‘Makes No Sense At All’

bye bye Mitts American Pie
Youtube Video

117 freetoken  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:05:40pm

re: #114 Lidane

The GOP’s latest disciple of Ayn Rand.

118 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:05:44pm

There is not a damn thing we can do about the double dealing either.

Cut off their funding/aid too quickly and collapse the Government, the nukes end up with whom?
Full scale attack, they have nukes, it could easily escalate.
China is still a large benefactor and backs them up as a border buffer.

All three of the above points also applied to North Korea in case you have forgotten. BTW when was the last time you heard about them and their nuclear program in the news?

Pakistan is not a member of the M.A.D. (mutually assured destruction) club yet but it is defiantly already a member of the M.A.P.U.D. club (mutally assured politically unacceptable destruction).

Stepping into that would be like plunging headfirst into Korea again, only this time with nukes involved.

119 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:05:45pm

re: #114 Lidane

This should go over well:

Mitt Romney: Federal Disaster Relief For Tornado And Flood Victims Is ‘Immoral,’ ‘Makes No Sense At All’

Uh, 24 hour rule on that one.

120 recusancy  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:06:12pm

re: #119 funky chicken

Uh, 24 hour rule on that one.

It’s been 24 hours.

121 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:06:55pm

re: #113 recusancy

The same Mark Kirk who told China not to believe U.S. budget calculations? The same Mark Kirk who lied about his military service? Great guy.

Better than Alexi Gianoulis and his mob ties. There’s a good reason why a notable number of Dems crossed over to vote for Kirk. But that only happens once, and Illinois Republicans need to grow the party to make sure we do well next time.

122 jaunte  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:08:30pm

re: #114 Lidane

Good link:

First, why is it that Republicans always feel that the private sector can do the government’s job “better”? Exactly what do they mean by that? Notice that John King just lets that slide without asking for any explanation. This is just another example of how the mainstream media that covers politics practices precious little journalism in favor of just letting politicians say whatever the hell they want unchallenged. The only thing that makes any sense to me is that when a Republican claims that the private sector can do something “better” than the federal government, they mean “more profitably.” Of course, the government is not supposed to be doing things “profitably,” they are supposed to do things as thoroughly as possible. They are supposed to serve as many people as possible, not serve some of the people and still have money leftover. if you do that, then you haven’t done your job of serving the People. Government exists to serve the People, not the Private Sector.
tpzoo.wordpress.com
123 Lidane  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:09:41pm

re: #119 funky chicken

Uh, 24 hour rule on that one.

It’s been 24 hours since he said it at the CNN debate.

124 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:09:43pm

re: #112 Dark_Falcon

WOOT!
Keep up the good work!

125 freetoken  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:10:07pm

re: #122 jaunte

John King let everything “slide.” He refused to act as if he had any sense of logic whatsoever.

126 Political Atheist  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:10:09pm

How good are we at tracking foreign nukes?
U.S. Intelligence and the Indian Bomb

A story of flatfooted surprise and shock at CIA

Documents Show U.S. Intelligence Failed to Warn of India’s Nuclear Tests Despite Tracking Nuclear Weapons Potential Since 1950s
National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 187
For more information contact:
Jeffrey Richelson, Editor
(phone Removed)
Posted - April 13, 2006

127 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:10:10pm

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

Problem is, the bullying was politically based.

In OK, I had a clown walking by the Dawah table at the Union say (I was having a political discussion with a friend) that the NAZIs were liberal because Socialist was in the name. In addition to the gay-bashing and other events that brought me to Islam. Including a council event you guys might have heard of.

128 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:10:17pm

re: #114 Lidane

He’s been standing close to Ron Paul for too long I guess. And Romney was the most aggressive against Paul at the 2007/2008 debates from what I recall…but now he’s trying to morph into a Paulian? I’ve gotta give Romney credit for being an excellent chameleon. He’s not gonna win my vote with that talent, of course.

129 freetoken  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:11:30pm

re: #128 funky chicken

And Romney was the most aggressive against Paul at the 2007/2008 debates from what I recall…but now he’s trying to morph into a Paulian?

In the age of Tea Party all will morph into a Paulian.

130 recusancy  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:11:30pm

re: #121 Dark_Falcon

Better than Alexi Gianoulis and his mob ties. There’s a good reason why a notable number of Dems crossed over to vote for Kirk. But that only happens once, and Illinois Republicans need to grow the party to make sure we do well next time.

Mob ties eh?

131 Balfour Rage  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:11:37pm

re: #114 Lidane

About to read your link. This has GOT to be from the Onion, right?

132 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:12:11pm

re: #118 ausador

Actually, I’d cut off their aid quickly and let China worry about the disaster on their border. China won’t tread as lightly as we do if the shit is gonna hit the fan.

133 Lidane  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:13:02pm

re: #131 Kid A

About to read your link. This has GOT to be from the Onion, right?

Nope. They source the CNN transcripts and have video.

134 Political Atheist  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:13:14pm

Last one I promise…
From the .gov CIA web.
How the CIA Missed Stalin’s Bomb
Dissecting Soviet Analysis, 1946-50
Donald P. Steury

135 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:14:01pm

re: #132 funky chicken

And maybe it will help the Tibetans and Uighurs as well. I like this plan. Cause an already strained China to overstretch.

136 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:14:08pm

re: #121 Dark_Falcon

such great choices we have at the ballot box, eh?

137 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:15:14pm

re: #127 ProLifeLiberal

Problem is, the bullying was politically based.

In OK, I had a clown walking by the Dawah table at the Union say (I was having a political discussion with a friend) that the NAZIs were liberal because Socialist was in the name. In addition to the gay-bashing and other events that brought me to Islam. Including a council event you guys might have heard of.

To be fair, that belief isn’t too uncommon, and I once held it myself. I no longer do, though. Hitler doesn’t fit into a ‘left-wing’ template, though he doesn’t fit the Goldwater-Reagan American conservative mold either. But his appeal was more to the fears and beliefs common on the Right, so Far Right is the correct place for him.

138 Balfour Rage  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:15:18pm

re: #133 Lidane

Nope. They source the CNN transcripts and have video.

Just read it. I can not even believe he could say something this stupid. Oh, wait…

139 jaunte  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:16:57pm

re: #138 Kid A

A link from Lidane’s original:

There is almost no support among the nation’s governors for President Bush’s suggestion that the Pentagon could take the lead in responding to catastrophic natural disasters, a USA TODAY survey has found.

Of the 38 governors who responded to a request for reaction to Bush’s comments, only two backed the idea: Republicans Mitt Romney of Massachusetts and Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota.
usatoday.com


“But we hate federal agencies!”

140 Lidane  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:19:16pm

re: #137 Dark_Falcon

Hitler doesn’t fit into a ‘left-wing’ template, though he doesn’t fit the Goldwater-Reagan American conservative mold either.

Of course not. Goldwater/Reagan conservatism didn’t exist when Hitler was alive. How could he ever fit into that mold?

That said, it’s always been obvious that the Nazis fit on the far right end of the spectrum. Anyone trying to make the case that they were ever liberals is just a revisionist douchebag.

141 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:20:22pm

re: #136 funky chicken

such great choices we have at the ballot box, eh?

The 2010 Senate race in Illinois was a contest of blunders, with Alexi Giannoulias’s blunders proving the greater ones.

Though unlike some other races, the candidates themselves ran without hate and they even met at the Billy Goat (a famous Chicago tavern mini-chain) to share a beer after the election was over. They met at the Lower Michigan location, which I also patronize from time-to-time. The place is named after the original owners pet goat, which was the very same goat involved in the famous “Curse of the Goat” laid on the Chicago Cubs.

Just felt like giving out some local history.

142 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:23:42pm

re: #137 Dark_Falcon

Here’s a good example of what I dealt with in COS. I just found this on Think Progress:

Focus On The Family Board Member To Anthony Weiner: Seek ‘Atonement, Found Only In Jesus Christ’

143 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:24:38pm

re: #140 Lidane

Of course not. Goldwater/Reagan conservatism didn’t exist when Hitler was alive. How could he ever fit into that mold?

That said, it’s always been obvious that the Nazis fit on the far right end of the spectrum. Anyone trying to make the case that they were ever liberals is just a revisionist douchebag.

Revisionist, yes but not necessarily a douchbag. Tim Newark, who made the argument in the British magazine Military Illustrated, isn’t a douchebag. But what he is is a socialism opposing, Thatcher-mold Conservative. I though his article was overly political when I read it, though the anti-socialism didn’t bother me, if only because he and I have the same general views about socialism. Still, looking at it again with fresh eyes, I now see the mistakes he made.

144 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:25:32pm

*sighs*

They’re dead. We know what will happen next.

145 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:26:07pm

re: #142 ProLifeLiberal

Here’s a good example of what I dealt with in COS. I just found this on Think Progress:

Focus On The Family Board Member To Anthony Weiner: Seek ‘Atonement, Found Only In Jesus Christ’

OMG.
Spare us all!

146 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:27:00pm

Hey all,

How’s the day been?

147 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:27:06pm

Ehh, cheer up, in the next ten years I expect at least 12 more countries to uhh…officially acquire nuclear weapons. Diplomacy is going to get a bit more dicey, and this “America World Police” crap will be right out.

Hell at this point all we are doing is setting a precedent for other countries to interfere in Israels affairs, or 20 years down the road in our own. I am still completely unrepentant in saying that we had no business whatsoever in intervening in Libya, because down the road I still think I will be proven right by history.

Sorry, but it is honestly what I believe…

148 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:27:08pm

re: #140 Lidane

Of course not. Goldwater/Reagan conservatism didn’t exist when Hitler was alive. How could he ever fit into that mold?

That said, it’s always been obvious that the Nazis fit on the far right end of the spectrum. Anyone trying to make the case that they were ever liberals is just a revisionist douchebag.

I’ve come across plenty of libertarians who make that very argument.

Basically, national socialism = socialism = a liberal idea = ergo, Nazis were liberal.

149 windsagio  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:28:44pm

Once again time to go to work; you guys have a good night ><

150 Kragar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:29:31pm

re: #148 eclectic infidel

I’ve come across plenty of libertarians who make that very argument.

Basically, national socialism = socialism = a liberal idea = ergo, Nazis were liberal.

And gay, don’t forget gay.

151 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:30:57pm

re: #150 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And gay, don’t forget gay.

That isn’t libertarian, that is Bryan Fischer of the AFA.

152 freetoken  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:31:06pm

re: #142 ProLifeLiberal

I have/had relatives in COS.

Certainly COS is a fundamentalist hot spot, along with Tyler, TX and Tulsa, OK and the like.

Good luck.

153 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:31:08pm

Label definitions have changed so much since the early 1900’s.

Gay used to be delightful and carefree … .

154 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:31:12pm

re: #146 ggt

Hey all,

How’s the day been?

Fairly good. How are you?

155 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:31:27pm

Help me out:

COS = ???

156 jaunte  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:31:32pm

re: #142 ProLifeLiberal

Mohler:

As a Calvinist, Mohler believes that human salvation is a free gift from God which cannot be earned by human action or will and is only given to the elect.en.wikipedia.org


Of course he thinks he’s one of the elect, the nasty little egotist.re: #142 ProLifeLiberal

Here’s a good example of what I dealt with in COS. I just found this on Think Progress:

Focus On The Family Board Member To Anthony Weiner: Seek ‘Atonement, Found Only In Jesus Christ’

What a nasty little man.

157 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:31:47pm

re: #154 Dark_Falcon

Fairly good. How are you?

tired, allergied out.

Otherwise good.

THanks for asking!

158 freetoken  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:32:39pm

re: #155 ggt

Help me out:

COS = ???

Christianity On Speed.

159 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:33:18pm

re: #151 ausador

That isn’t libertarian, that is Bryan Fischer of the AFA.

Now Fischer, he really is a revisionist douchebag. His linking homosexuality to the rise of the Nazi party is one the dumbest, most tendentious pieces of crap I’ve ever heard of.

160 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:33:42pm

re: #155 ggt

Help me out:

COS = ???

Colorado Springs.

161 laZardo  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:34:18pm

re: #155 ggt

Help me out:

COS = ???

COS : ABB :: LAU : HAR?

162 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:34:30pm

re: #156 jaunte

Mohler:


Of course he thinks he’s one of the elect, the nasty little egotist.re: #142 ProLifeLiberal

What a nasty little man.

atonement found only in JC?

As I understand it, there is “Salvation” for those who have never heard the “Word” …

geez, why would G-d be such nit-picker???

163 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:34:52pm

re: #161 laZardo

COS : ABB :: LAU : HAR?

You are no help!

164 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:36:15pm

re: #161 laZardo

What have I done?

165 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:36:51pm

COS:

The Cosmic Origins Spectrograph (COS) was installed on the Hubble Space Telescope (HST) in May 2009. COS is designed to perform high-sensitivity, medium- and low-resolution spectroscopy of astronomical objects in the 1150-3200 Å wavelength range. COS significantly enhances the spectroscopic capabilities of HST at ultraviolet wavelengths, providing observers with unparalleled opportunities for observing faint sources of ultraviolet light.

The primary science objectives of the mission are the study of the origins of large scale structure in the Universe, the formation and evolution of galaxies, the origin of stellar and planetary systems, and the cold interstellar medium.

166 jaunte  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:36:53pm

world-airport-codes.com

167 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:39:02pm

re: #150 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And gay, don’t forget gay.

YES. Michael Alan Weiner Savage has made such a claim on his show. I’ve heard it.

168 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:39:30pm

re: #156 jaunte

Mohler:


Of course he thinks he’s one of the elect, the nasty little egotist.re: #142 ProLifeLiberal

What a nasty little man.

Anyone who claims to know they are of “the elect” is not Christian and, hence, is not of the elect.

No, there are no “" here.

But that’s what you get when you start delving into the truly weird world of non-christian and downright anti-biblical theology that is so popular in the evangelical “Christian” world.

Fuck them.

Want an idea of where Christianity should be going?

“Love Wins” by Rob Bell. Best sermon you’ll ever have the chance to read.

169 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:41:27pm

Something that really has me pissed-off.

Read the article linked.

I think the idea of making this about the crime and not the “nationality” of the perpetrators is right on target.

170 elizajane  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:41:48pm

re: #142 ProLifeLiberal

Here’s a good example of what I dealt with in COS. I just found this on Think Progress:

Focus On The Family Board Member To Anthony Weiner: Seek ‘Atonement, Found Only In Jesus Christ’

So if he promises to convert (and maybe his wife too, for good measure) we’ll forget the whole penis thing and let him stay in Congress?

Eeew yuck.

171 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:42:09pm

re: #168 wlewisiii

Anyone who claims to know they are of “the elect” is not Christian and, hence, is not of the elect.

No, there are no “” here.

But that’s what you get when you start delving into the truly weird world of non-christian and downright anti-biblical theology that is so popular in the evangelical “Christian” world.

Fuck them.

Want an idea of where Christianity should be going?

“Love Wins” by Rob Bell. Best sermon you’ll ever have the chance to read.

Some Animals are More Equal than Others.

The older I get, the more sense it makes.… .

172 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:42:17pm

re: #160 Dark_Falcon

Colorado Springs.

I thought it was short for cosplay?


///

173 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:42:38pm

Funny Airport Codes

My favorite:

LOL- Derby Field, USA

174 jaunte  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:42:49pm

re: #168 wlewisiii

Link!
robbell.com

175 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:43:12pm

re: #169 ggt

Something that really has me pissed-off.

Read the article linked.

I think the idea of making this about the crime and not the “nationality” of the perpetrators is right on target.

Quite Concur.

176 elizajane  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:43:22pm

re: #153 ggt

Label definitions have changed so much since the early 1900’s.

Gay used to be delightful and carefree …

Still is, friend, still is.

177 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:45:20pm

I”m going to bed.

It’s been nice chatting.

Have a great morning all!

178 freetoken  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:48:55pm

CNN trying to sell the candidacy of Bachmann:

Bachmann draws new attention after GOP debate

The need for TV to sell drama in order to get ratings knows no end. Like Bristol Palin on DWTS, these companies love the most controversial actors the best.

179 jaunte  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:51:12pm

Goodnight all.

Image: Climb.jpg
(Laura Macchiarini made this)

180 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:54:02pm

re: #178 freetoken

CNN trying to sell the candidacy of Bachmann:

Bachmann draws new attention after GOP debate

The need for TV to sell drama in order to get ratings knows no end. Like Bristol Palin on DWTS, these companies love the most controversial actors the best.

It’s the nature of the beast. TV networks need to sell commercial airtime. So CNN tries to drum up drama to get people to watch their programming. Nothing new there.

181 laZardo  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:54:20pm

re: #168 wlewisiii

Want an idea of where Christianity should be going?

Perhaps an extension of the War on Drugs?

/opiate of the masses and all

//and from the perspective of the Philippines, that’s what it is here

182 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 9:59:50pm

re: #181 laZardo

Perhaps an extension of the War on Drugs?

/opiate of the masses and all

//and from the perspective of the Philippines, that’s what it is here

I know you have far too many fundies of both Roman & Protestant varieties down there. Still doesn’t mean that the dude from Nazareth wouldn’t ROTFLOL in their face.

183 Kragar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:09:39pm

re: #151 ausador

That isn’t libertarian, that is Bryan Fischer of the AFA.

Fishcer has gone on record multiple times saying the Nazi party was founded by homosexuals.

184 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:12:16pm

re: #183 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fishcer has gone on record multiple times saying the Nazi party was founded by homosexuals.

And it pisses me off each time he does it. It’s utter bullshit,

185 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:12:42pm

re: #54 ProLifeLiberal

A- Britain shouldn’t have used the divide and conquer strategy. That has caused all sorts of issues.

Imagine the state of the entire planet, if they never had.

186 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:14:31pm

re: #60 ProLifeLiberal

In other words, the assassin would be beloved by the Republicans now.

You might say, “Oh, he wasn’t Christian.” To that, I say Nikki Haley.

And to that Jake Knotts (SC State Senate) says r#ghead. I seriously doubt he is alone in this.

187 laZardo  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:15:44pm

re: #185 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Imagine the state of the entire planet, if they never had.



There’s an anime for that.

188 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:16:17pm

re: #110 funky chicken

I’m on a clunky laptop in a hotel and can’t get to pages…anyway, are there any “lesbian” bloggers in Pakistan who have been talking up the tolerance of “their” society?

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com…]

weird

They all want to be us.

189 mikec6666  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:20:23pm

You’ve been disconnected.

190 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:20:35pm

re: #137 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, that belief isn’t too uncommon, and I once held it myself. I no longer do, though. Hitler doesn’t fit into a ‘left-wing’ template, though he doesn’t fit the Goldwater-Reagan American conservative mold either. But his appeal was more to the fears and beliefs common on the Right, so Far Right is the correct place for him.

The quickest/dirtiest way to smack down that stupid nazi=socialist bullshit from ignorant rwnj, is to ask the person what other German vocabulary they know. If the answer is stuff like “schniztel” and “Heneiken” you know what you’re dealing with.

191 Kragar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:21:43pm

re: #189 mikec6666

You’ve been disconnected.

But I don’t even own a horse…

192 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:22:00pm

re: #142 ProLifeLiberal

Here’s a good example of what I dealt with in COS. I just found this on Think Progress:

Focus On The Family Board Member To Anthony Weiner: Seek ‘Atonement, Found Only In Jesus Christ’

It was only a matter of time until the bigots added an antisemitic angle to this.

193 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:27:14pm

re: #168 wlewisiii

Anyone who claims to know they are of “the elect” is not Christian and, hence, is not of the elect.

Who in their right mind would want to be of those “elect”? That would mean I would have to spend eternity next to a bunch of bigots, bleh.

But this idea, “anyone who claims to know they are of “the elect” is not Christian” is strictly theological storytelling. Many a heads were chopped off for it. Christian-on-Christian violence.

194 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:35:22pm

Meh.

And with that, good night.

195 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 10:38:03pm

re: #190 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

The quickest/dirtiest way to smack down that stupid nazi=socialist bullshit from ignorant rwnj, is to ask the person what other German vocabulary they know. If the answer is stuff like “schniztel” and “Heneiken” you know what you’re dealing with.

Good idea. It wouldn’t have worked with Tim Newark, though, as he actually did know what he was talking about. He wasn’t being an asshole like Fischer, he was just wrong and somewhat partisan.

And with that, its time for me to go to bed. Goodnight, all.

196 freetoken  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:00:26pm

One last thing on the “debate” Monday night:

No matter how many of us lament the empty-headed-ness of the whole thing, it looks like it did what it was supposed to do: let CNN beat FNC during the two hours it was on:

Cable News Ratings for Monday, June 13, 2011

So, for CNN to beat Fox all they have to do is have all the far right talking heads that are normally on Fox come on over to CNN, sit them in the same room, and have some pretty boy stand up and be run over by the mindlessness of it all.

One thing to note is that the total viewers during the two hours, between FNC and CNN, didn’t change much at the hour break. However, after the hour break CNN pulled way ahead of Fox as CNN picked up what looks like the O’Reilly viewers who tuned out Hannity. During the first hour the debate barely pulled in more of the older crowd than did O’Reilly.

Anyway, the whole thing was clearly about helping CNN ratings and most definitely not about helping the GOP voters of NH pick a candidate.

Compare the numbers to the previous Monday:
tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com
and you’ll see what I mean.

197 Kragar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:12:14pm

Basing models is a pain in the ass.

198 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:12:35pm

re: #197 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

why do you think I work digital

199 Kragar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:13:50pm

re: #198 WindUpBird

why do you think I work digital

Hard to do that for the table.

200 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:21:46pm

re: #199 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hard to do that for the table.

that’s what I mean, never been good with actual assembly of real pieces of kit in the real world :D

201 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:23:08pm

re: #196 freetoken

all the softballs questions, totally

They really wanted that Fox demo!

eventually, all the cable news networks will look like Fox, because the only people left watching cable news will be ancient people set in their ways

202 Kragar  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:25:43pm

re: #200 WindUpBird

that’s what I mean, never been good with actual assembly of real pieces of kit in the real world :D

Running Space Wolves, got 4 squads of infantry, 2 special characters, and a Dread to base by Saturday morning. The paint work is done, but the basing requires special processes to set up and takes time to set up.

203 freetoken  Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:59:25pm

MP3 Audio

204 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 12:11:47am

re: #142 ProLifeLiberal

Here’s a good example of what I dealt with in COS. I just found this on Think Progress:

Focus On The Family Board Member To Anthony Weiner: Seek ‘Atonement, Found Only In Jesus Christ’

Can I just say i find prosletyzing to be the creepiest and most offensive shit

I’m always nice to people when they try and lay it on me, but I’m nice in the sense that I try and take over the conversation and make it less about Jesus and more about, say, 80’s new wave music or Sega games

Wanna prolestyze? Guess what, now I’m prosletyzing this awesome doom band I just found, have a listen lol

205 freetoken  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 12:11:54am

An opinion piece from the WaPo on Tuesday:


How to get Republicans to go green

Clue for WaPo: the GOP is turning green alright, but from gangrene, as a result of an infection of Bircheritis.

I checked out what the JBS has been up to lately, going to their site and watching their videos. I found it hard to differentiate from what I heard Monday night at the “debate”.

206 theheat  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 12:52:23am

re: #204 WindUpBird

They love to collect prayer pets, the ultimate churchy flavored penpals.

207 lostlakehiker  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 12:59:13am

re: #12 Rightwingconspirator

The pro radical sentiment at ISI combined with the already miniaturized nuclear warheads is just terrifying. If the west gets nuked by a Pakistani warhead, then what?

War. What else? With sense and forbearance on our part, there would be no retaliatory nuclear attacks on any Pakistani city. But we would raise a larger army, invade, overthrow the regime, destroy all its nuclear infrastructure, and kill off the top leadership who were behind the attack.

208 freetoken  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 1:15:06am

Rachmaninoff’s “Vocalise”, once again but arranged for piano and cello:

MP3 Audio

209 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 2:28:41am

Morning Honcos. Or, perhaps, just honco.

210 freetoken  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 2:39:50am

re: #209 Cannadian Club Akbar

Many are called, few are chosen.

211 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 2:40:19am

This sucks. And they are looking to see if alcohol was a factor. If so, the driver will be looking at 15 years.
tampabay.com

212 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 3:05:03am

If I ever go to a protest or rally or whatever this was, and I get attacked by some douchebag in a pink dress, if I don’t kick his ass, just shoot me.
Youtube Video

213 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 3:16:38am

Man’s best friend.:)
break.com

214 researchok  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 3:17:46am

Morning, all

215 researchok  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 3:31:37am

re: #212 Cannadian Club Akbar

If I ever go to a protest or rally or whatever this was, and I get attacked by some douchebag in a pink dress, if I don’t kick his ass, just shoot me.

[Video]

Hell of a deal.

Political expression, 2011

216 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 3:34:23am

re: #215 researchok

Hell of a deal.

Political expression, 2011

We have the RNC convention here in February or whenever. I might go there and just snap some pics if I’m still here.

217 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 3:36:37am

This year is a very weird one.

Everything is going good for me. My wife is doing well in med school, I’m settling into New York, my consulting business is doing very well.

But so many of my friends have died this year, and now my best friend got into a domestic with his ex-girlfriend, they’re both pressing charges, and he’s been diagnosed as suicidal. Hopefully he’ll finally manage to get his shit together— he’s always been my broke-ass friend— but suicidal tendencies scare me. It makes it hard for me to help him out; I just want to say “Don’t kill yourself, man, you’re awesome even when you suck,” every time I talk to him.

218 researchok  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 3:39:41am

re: #217 Obdicut

This year is a very weird one.

Everything is going good for me. My wife is doing well in med school, I’m settling into New York, my consulting business is doing very well.

But so many of my friends have died this year, and now my best friend got into a domestic with his ex-girlfriend, they’re both pressing charges, and he’s been diagnosed as suicidal. Hopefully he’ll finally manage to get his shit together— he’s always been my broke-ass friend— but suicidal tendencies scare me. It makes it hard for me to help him out; I just want to say “Don’t kill yourself, man, you’re awesome even when you suck,” every time I talk to him.

Damn.

Emotional juggernaut, they call it.

219 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 3:44:29am

re: #217 Obdicut

I had 2 friends (knew both over 30 years) die within 30 days of each other about a year and a half ago. Also had a friend kill himself 4 or 5 years ago and another friend’s brother killed himself 2+ years ago.

-Went to my best friend’s funeral.
-The other friend that died had a private service because of his immediate family. (Bible thumpers who hated his friends)
-Didn’t go to either funeral of the ones who offed themselves. It’s one of my rules.
Now, is your friend really suicidal or did he just say stoopid shit to amp up the tensions?

220 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 3:47:14am

re: #217 Obdicut

I have an ex-friend; perpetually broke-ass, perpetually unemployed because (“Man! I can’t believe they fired me; if you miss work three times without calling in…”)

Nicest sweetest guy you’d ever want to meet.

He lost me when he got into a domestic with his wife. Then I wanted to help him we reconnected. He went to jail again for another domestic.

He lost me for good.

221 researchok  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 3:49:45am

re: #220 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have an ex-friend; perpetually broke-ass, perpetually unemployed because (“Man! I can’t believe they fired me; if you miss work three times without calling in…”)

Nicest sweetest guy you’d ever want to meet.

He lost me when he got into a domestic with his wife. Then I wanted to help him we reconnected. He went to jail again for another domestic.

He lost me for good.

Tough love.

222 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 3:51:54am

re: #219 Cannadian Club Akbar

He’s really suicidal. He’s a turbulent, emotional dude who has had a really rough life for the past few years. I’ve always thought he might be bilpolar— he has such extremes of moods.

223 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 3:53:30am

re: #220 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

In this case, since I know his (Sicilian) ex-girlfriend, I’m pretty certain it was a mutual fight. Not that that excuses it, but he’s not the kind of guy to just beat on a woman.

But yeah, this guy can’t keep a job down either. He mainly can’t stand to work for anyone who’s not as smart as him, and he’s really, really, really smart.

He’s a brilliant writer, though.

224 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 3:55:22am

re: #222 Obdicut

He’s really suicidal. He’s a turbulent, emotional dude who has had a really rough life for the past few years. I’ve always thought he might be bilpolar— he has such extremes of moods.

Sounds like it. Bad thing is, if he goes on meds, it takes a while to get him the right dosage, if he even takes them. Best I can say is just stay on his ass. He should also be able to get free or discounted meds from the facility where he is at now.

225 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 3:56:01am

re: #221 researchok

Nah; it was selfish on my part. Fuck him. My life is better without him.

They’re Tampa’s problem now. Seriously.

You’re welcome CCA. If you meet him? Go to Antarctica.

226 laZardo  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 3:56:55am

Anon Thread of the Moment: “The object your left hand is touching is now diamonds. How fucked are you?”

Obviously, most of the people posting in that thread would be pretty fucked. ;P

Also good evening

227 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 3:57:52am

re: #223 Obdicut

He’s a brilliant writer, though.

“Unrewarded genius is almost a proverb”
-Calvin Coolidge

228 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 3:59:08am

re: #224 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yeah. I’m hoping his realization that he actually needs help, and meds, is going to stick with him, and that when he gets into his next manic episode he doesn’t decide he’s fine and throw them all away.

229 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 4:01:44am

re: #228 Obdicut

Yeah. I’m hoping his realization that he actually needs help, and meds, is going to stick with him, and that when he gets into his next manic episode he doesn’t decide he’s fine and throw them all away.

IIRC, some meds will just get the brain functioning properly and can be a short time thing. But if he’s one of those people who hates taking pills (like me) it might take a bit more convincing.

230 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 4:03:57am

re: #229 Cannadian Club Akbar

bipolarhome.org

231 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 4:04:47am

re: #229 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yeah, he’s an ex-junkie, so he doesn’t like meds ‘cuz he thinks of all of them as the same, basically. Which is dumb. He seems to really have gotten that medicating not to make yourself ‘feel’ better but to actually help you function is different.

232 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 4:08:50am

re: #231 Obdicut

Yeah, he’s an ex-junkie, so he doesn’t like meds ‘cuz he thinks of all of them as the same, basically. Which is dumb. He seems to really have gotten that medicating not to make yourself ‘feel’ better but to actually help you function is different.

If that’s the case, he’ll need therapy as well. Sounds like this problem runs a bit deep. And he’ll probably try to shun that as well.

233 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 4:09:22am

re: #227 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That’s my (probably) largest pet peeve. Some of the most brilliant people I’ve ever met were off-the-charts anti-social… not unfriendly; not what I mean…

Entirely unwilling to focus their god (or athie)-given abilities for their personal success.

Now, if they accepted their lack of success as their choice I wouldn’t have a problem with it. But they focus a lot of their energy on “Man, I can’t catch a break. Yeah; I missed the first two job interviews, but, that dude didn’t like me anyway.”

I know five people off the top of my head who fit that category. None of them are “stoners” either.

234 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 4:14:19am

Morning all

235 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 4:14:21am

Also, Obdi, if your friend agrees to go on meds, try to make it through a private doctor. When I went to rehab, I sat in front of their doctor. He said to me, “So, you’re Bipolar? Depressed? What do ya need”? (I wasn’t either) Not kidding. A private doctor will take more time to find what is best for him and adjust meds in a timely manner.

236 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 4:15:26am

re: #233 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Heh. Yeah. My friend abstains from everything (other than smoking cigarettes). I, er, well, I’m Californian. And yet I’ve always had a job.

He also sucks at managing his money. Back when he actually had a consistent job for awhile, and was making more money than I did at the time, he still had to borrow money from me regularly.

And yeah, life has been unfair to him and he concentrates on that instead of, well, fixing it. I’m really hoping this is the necessary rock bottom for him to change.

The stinger at the end is that this is after he convinced me to buy a cross-country bus ticket for him so that he could move back to Portland, and of course this domestic dispute means he can’t leave, the ticket is non-refundable.

237 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 4:16:08am

re: #235 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yeah, my sis-in-law is a nurse in DC, and I’m going to see if she can find someone for him who’ll do it semi pro-bono or what have you.

238 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 4:21:20am

re: #236 Obdicut

This particular friendship makes me think of the “Scorpion and the Frog” (It is my nature) Fable. You shouldn’t be surprised when he fucks up.

As someone that’s tipping the scales at fifty years old; I’ve learned that I don’t need those friends. Now? I dump their asses as soon as I figure out who they are.

239 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 4:22:00am

re: #220 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have an ex-friend; perpetually broke-ass, perpetually unemployed because (“Man! I can’t believe they fired me; if you miss work three times without calling in…”)

Nicest sweetest guy you’d ever want to meet.

He lost me when he got into a domestic with his wife. Then I wanted to help him we reconnected. He went to jail again for another domestic.

He lost me for good.

Nice sweet guys don’t beat their wives.

240 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 4:22:45am

re: #238 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This particular friendship makes me think of the “Scorpion and the Frog” (It is my nature) Fable. You shouldn’t be surprised when he fucks up.

As someone that’s tipping the scales at fifty years old; I’ve learned that I don’t need those friends. Now? I dump their asses as soon as I figure out who they are.

Drama is for the young.

241 boxhead  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 4:24:09am

I said it before, and I will say it again, USA needs to get the heck out of that part of the world. Our cultures are too different. We have a rather significant “To Do” list within our borders that our leaders ignore. A shift in focus must happen if USA plans on being the USA I believe we were and should be again.

242 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 4:25:45am

re: #239 Alouette

I found out about the domestic after determining he was “the nicest sweetest guy”. That’s why the story was in the order it was in.

He asked me for sympathetic advice a couple of days after he got out of jail.

He called the wrong guy. I absolutely berated him for two hours.

243 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 4:26:52am

re: #219 Cannadian Club Akbar

I had 2 friends (knew both over 30 years) die within 30 days of each other about a year and a half ago. Also had a friend kill himself 4 or 5 years ago and another friend’s brother killed himself 2+ years ago.

-Went to my best friend’s funeral.
-The other friend that died had a private service because of his immediate family. (Bible thumpers who hated his friends)
-Didn’t go to either funeral of the ones who offed themselves. It’s one of my rules.
Now, is your friend really suicidal or did he just say stoopid shit to amp up the tensions?

In the last 6 years I’ve had 3 friends kill themselves. 2 were military buddies that were very unstable before they joined (one had the nickname “crazy 8” in the marines) and the other was my best friend from HS that had been “trying” to kill himself for 20 years. I went to the funerals of 2 of the 3, one was in FLA and I couldn’t get away to go. Don’t not go because you think suicide is the weak way out. It is but some people aren’t strong enough to push on. Sometimes it’s a medical reason and sometimes it’s just weakness but either way they can’t help it.

244 boxhead  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 4:28:30am

re: #239 Alouette

Nice sweet guys don’t beat their wives.

That seems like a gimmie…

violence perpetrated by the strong against the vulnerable makes my blood boil…

245 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 4:33:11am

re: #243 RogueOne

Someone who commits suicide should have “See? I told you I was depressed!” etched on their tombstones.

Someone in their right minds simply can not off themselves. It is so against the human preservation nature.

I’ve been to three suicide funerals. Can’t say I recommend them. Never seen such emotional destruction.

246 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 4:34:03am

re: #242 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I actually posted about it here. Was a couple of years back.

247 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 4:34:48am

Oh. The Pakistanis can kiss my fat pasty-white ass.

248 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 4:37:52am

re: #247 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh. The Pakistanis can kiss my fat pasty-white ass.

Could be a couple things:
We knew that the informants were gonna get screwed after we were finished with them, or;
The Pakistanis are trying to save face.
Or both.
IMO.

249 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 4:40:06am

re: #245 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Someone who commits suicide should have “See? I told you I was depressed!” etched on their tombstones.

Someone in their right minds simply can not off themselves. It is so against the human preservation nature.

I’ve been to three suicide funerals. Can’t say I recommend them. Never seen such emotional destruction.

Toss in a military color guard and it gets worse. Luckily only one of the 3 of my buddies had kids. Dealing with parents you haven’t seen in years at the funeral of one of their kids blows.

250 laZardo  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 4:44:30am

re: #245 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Someone who commits suicide should have “See? I told you I was depressed!” etched on their tombstones.

Someone in their right minds simply can not off themselves. It is so against the human preservation nature.

I’ve been to three suicide funerals. Can’t say I recommend them. Never seen such emotional destruction.

One of the two family funerals I had to attend last year was for a cousin that killed herself after being abused by her boyfriend.

It’s not just sadness, it’s rage.

251 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 4:45:30am

Jeebus, this turned into a depressing thread. It’s much more fun to talk about people who died by accident.

252 laZardo  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 4:46:57am

re: #251 RogueOne

Jeebus, this turned into a depressing thread.

That’s why I have 4chan open in another tab. :3

253 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 4:47:07am

re: #250 laZardo

One of the two family funerals I had to attend last year was for a cousin that killed herself after being abused by her boyfriend.

It’s not just sadness, it’s rage.

I hope someone paid the boyfriend a little visit. And by visit I mean give him an ass whoopin’.

254 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 4:47:15am

re: #250 laZardo


It’s not just sadness, it’s rage.

It’s a cornucopia of emotional distress. Name a negative emotion? It’s there. Even hate. It’s as if a tornado ripped through the hearts in the room.

Like I said, I don’t recommend it.

255 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 4:47:31am

re: #252 laZardo

That’s why I have 4chan open in another tab. :3

There are some sick bastards over there. I won’t go into the gore threads.

256 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 4:48:30am

re: #251 RogueOne

Jeebus, this turned into a depressing thread. It’s much more fun to talk about people who died by accident.

Or just stupidity.:)
darwinawards.com

257 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 4:48:59am

In other news:

86-year-old groom devastated when 24-year-old bride jilts him.

My guess is she wasn’t happy about the boilerplate pre-nup.

258 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 4:50:44am

re: #255 RogueOne

There are some sick bastards over there. I won’t go into the gore threads.

threads? there’s entire chans for that :D

259 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 4:50:50am

re: #257 Alouette

In other news:

86-year-old groom devastated when 24-year-old bride jilts him.

My guess is she wasn’t happy about the boilerplate pre-nup.

I’m betting she packed a travel iron for the honeymoon (that never happened). Heh.

260 laZardo  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 4:51:24am

re: #256 Cannadian Club Akbar

Or just stupidity.:)
[Link: www.darwinawards.com…]

From the Mottos page: “Darwin Awards are late term abortions” (> 3 trimesters) -Richard Percifield

261 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 4:52:54am

re: #217 Obdicut

it’d be great if we didn’t demonize mental illness in this country

it’d be great if our health care system weren’t gamed for the rich


but those things being true mean a lot more suicide than there oughta be

262 S.D.  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 4:54:05am

To Pakistan: Well, there’s your problem, you keep arresting the wrong people…

If True: Seriously, Why are we sending aid again???

263 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 4:55:25am

re: #256 Cannadian Club Akbar

Or just stupidity.:)
[Link: www.darwinawards.com…]

Army story! We were doing some training out in the woods and someone got hurt, not really bad but they needed to get him out so they called in a chopper medevac. One of the younger guys got into a hurry and tried to grab the static line before it hit the ground. There was a flash and it tossed him 5’ and knocked him out cold. I laughed so hard I almost wet myself.

264 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 4:58:13am

re: #263 RogueOne

Army story! We were doing some training out in the woods and someone got hurt, not really bad but they needed to get him out so they called in a chopper medevac. One of the younger guys got into a hurry and tried to grab the static line before it hit the ground. There was a flash and it tossed him 5’ and knocked him out cold. I laughed so hard I almost wet myself.

I’ll bet 2 things:
1. He didn’t do that again!
2. If he saw someone else trying it after he did it, he didn’t try to hard to stop them. (been there, done that was probably his thinking)

265 rwdflynavy  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 4:59:05am

re: #263 RogueOne

Army story! We were doing some training out in the woods and someone got hurt, not really bad but they needed to get him out so they called in a chopper medevac. One of the younger guys got into a hurry and tried to grab the static line before it hit the ground. There was a flash and it tossed him 5’ and knocked him out cold. I laughed so hard I almost wet myself.

Turns out helicopters generate quite a bit of static electricity. Who knew?
//

266 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 5:03:06am

re: #264 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #265 rwdflynavy

He’s lucky he wasn’t hurt really bad. His new nickname was flash.

I’m sure you guys have seen this video:
Youtube Video

My brother was on that boat. He said they played that clip in a loop on the monitors around the ship for days. Military work is dangerous, training kills.

267 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 5:12:44am

re: #266 RogueOne

The fact that that guy isn’t coleslaw is amazing to me.

268 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 5:16:06am

re: #267 Cannadian Club Akbar

The fact that that guy isn’t coleslaw is amazing to me.

I bet his ears were ringing for weeks. “Somebody answer that damn phone!”

269 laZardo  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 5:16:13am

re: #266 RogueOne

re: #265 rwdflynavy

He’s lucky he wasn’t hurt really bad. His new nickname was flash.

I’m sure you guys have seen this video:

[Video]My brother was on that boat. He said they played that clip in a loop on the monitors around the ship for days. Military work is dangerous, training kills.

That clip was on every “Most Amazing” video show for years since.

270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 5:18:00am

re: #266 RogueOne

He fuckin’ survived that? Holy shit!

271 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 5:19:15am

brb. On hold with a gubment agency. I’m sure this will take no time.
/

272 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 5:20:10am

re: #270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He fuckin’ survived that? Holy shit!

He looked like a wet noodle getting sucked up into that thing. IIRC, his helmet saved him.

273 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 5:28:16am

re: #271 Cannadian Club Akbar

brb. On hold with a gubment agency. I’m sure this will take no time.
/

Thank you for holding. Your call is very important to us, sucker.
///

274 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 5:28:30am

re: #272 RogueOne

Helmet? Good.

Not helmet? Bad.

275 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 5:31:21am

re: #273 Cannadian Club Akbar

Thank you for holding. Your call is very important to us, sucker.
///

My conversation might be recorded!!! NWO!!!
/

276 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 5:32:05am

re: #268 RogueOne

I bet his ears were ringing for weeks. “Somebody answer that damn phone!”

One of my favorite Coach moment on “Cheers”.

Coach picks up phone, “Cheers”
Diane: “Coach. The ringing’s in your head.”
Coach: “Oh.” Hangs up.
Later…
Phone’s ringing: Norm says: “Coach? You gonna get that?”
Coach: “Nah, Normie. Ringing’s in my head.”

277 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 5:32:52am

Gotta go do the working.

278 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 5:43:59am

Congrats to the Morgan Co. (Indiana) prosecutors office:

Former Officer Avoids Prison With Plea Deal
theindychannel.com


Thomas Whitley Jr., pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice and official misconduct Tuesday for mishandling several drug investigations and then lying to investigators.

In one instance, a special prosecutor said Whitley swore on a probable cause affidavit that he had field-tested drugs confiscated during busts.

But when Indiana State Police tried to confirm the results, samples of heroin and methamphetamine turned out to be fake.

Charges were dismissed against 16 suspected drug offenders as a result of the botched investigation.

279 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 5:47:08am

Bountiful City settles taser lawsuit
abc4.com


ABC 4 News first brought you the story of Bruce Harper who was tasered an estimated six to ten times in the spring of 2009. Harper was pulled over in May of that year for reportedly having a crooked license plate.Things quickly escalated and Harper was repeatedly tasered. More than sixty times, Harper was told by police to turn around.
…..
Bountiful City now confirms to ABC 4 that is has settled the matter,but neither Bountiful nor Harper’s lawyer will say for how much.

The most disturbing part of the video comes after Harper is on the ground and the taser is pressed directly against him. Harper’s painful screams can clearly be heard on the dash camera video. Now, two years later, Harper still has a police-phobia.

Gee, ya think?

280 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 5:59:20am

Poor hugh. I don’t know how he’ll get over it:

Playboy founder Hugh Hefner dumped at the altar
reuters.com


Heartbroken Playboy founder Hugh Hefner said on Tuesday his wedding this weekend was canceled because his 25-year-old fiancee, a Playmate from his magazine, changed her mind.

Hefner, 85, and Crystal Harris were due to tie the knot in front of more than 300 guests at the Playboy Mansion in Los Angeles on Saturday. It would have been Hefner’s third marriage.

“The wedding is off. Crystal has had a change of heart,” Hefner wrote on Twitter.

281 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 6:00:29am

Gotta run. Enjoy the day folks.

282 ihateronpaul  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 6:00:34am

SIGH

283 simoom  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 6:03:40am

This seems like the sort of thing that shouldn’t be leaked verbatim from a closed Senate Intelligence Committee briefing. I wonder if it’s one member in particular who’s been doing all these media leaks lately.

284 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 6:05:09am

re: #280 RogueOne

Poor hugh. I don’t know how he’ll get over it:

Playboy founder Hugh Hefner dumped at the altar
[Link: www.reuters.com…]

She probably did not like the terms of the boilerplate pre-nup.

285 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 6:16:31am

re: #283 simoom

This seems like the sort of thing that shouldn’t be leaked verbatim from a closed Senate Intelligence Committee briefing. I wonder if it’s one member in particular who’s been doing all these media leaks lately.

Leaks aren’t uncommon. Remember, the NYT printed an article on how we were following the money in regards to terrorist.

286 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 6:26:09am

Gotta run. BBL.

287 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 6:33:22am

10 killed in suspected drone strike

A suspected U.S. drone strike in Pakistan’s tribal region killed 10 suspected militants on Wednesday, two intelligence officials told CNN.

The suspected drone fired four missiles on two militants’ hideouts in the area of Wana in South Waziristan, one of the seven districts of Pakistan’s volatile tribal region bordering Afghanistan.

288 Political Atheist  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 6:36:30am

OH hell no. Palmdale Ca Female teachers aide arrested for having sex in the classroom… With a special ed / special needs student. She has confessed according to police.

289 laZardo  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 6:37:47am

re: #288 Rightwingconspirator

OH hell no. Palmdale Ca Female teachers aide arrested for having sex in the classroom… With a special ed / special needs student. She has confessed according to police.

“I was doing that kid a service so he wouldn’t be made to feel inferior among other kids his age!”

/not particularly optimistic about the state of humanity tonight

290 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 6:39:19am

Pakistan: Officer Who Helped CIA Wasn’t Detained

Pakistani army spokesman Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas said the report of the major’s detention was “false and totally baseless.” Neither the army nor Pakistan’s spy agency would confirm or deny the overall report about the detentions.
….
The Pakistani army claims that some of the people detained have been “cleared and released” while others remain in custody, McCarthy said. The army has sidestepped the question of whether a crime was committed, saying only that the individuals were detained as part of an “ongoing investigation” into the raid, she said.

291 BishopX  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 6:41:10am

re: #283 simoom

Are you kidding? This is great propaganda. The CIA gets to trash the ISI while allowing the respective ambassadors to keep talking to each other. Nothing sensitive gets disclosed to the media and it still makes a great story. I’d be surprised if the official in question wasn’t Mr. Morell or his lawyer.

292 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 6:42:34am

Pakistan’s arrest of CIA informants exposes Bin Laden raid frustrations, analysts say

A Pakistani official says 30 to 40 people are being held in an investigation of the operation that killed Osama bin Laden. The detentions of those who supplied the CIA with information is seen as a reaction by security officials who were embarrassed by the unilateral U.S. operation.
293 Political Atheist  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 6:45:10am

re: #289 laZardo

That’s why I cherish the media free weekends at a friends home. No ‘net and we leave the TV and radio off.

294 BishopX  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 6:54:14am

N.H. couple have beef with police for Tasering cow

“It was almost like [the police] wanted to punish the cow for ruining their afternoon,’’ said Doug Hirsch. The shots were unnecessary, said Hirsch, as the cow was already headed back to her pen when the guns were fired.

…

“Because our cow was subjected to repeated and prolonged shock, I seriously question the competence of the Pelham Police Department and their indiscriminate and brutal use of their weapons,’’ Bordeleau wrote in a letter to the Pelham Police Department, which she also sent to the Pelham-Windham News. “It is morally reprehensible that these officers would abuse an animal this way that is not causing any immediate harm to anyone.’’

The Tasers were fired three times, Sergeant Michael Pickles said. The first two shots were ineffective, but the last shot sent a jolt of electricity into her body. The heifer, who Hirsch said weighs about 500 pounds, barely flinched, however, and kept walking, eventually making its way into a temporary pen, where residents were able to lasso her.
…
Police maintain that the heifer — now known as Houdini because of her dramatic escape — was galloping from one field to another, plowing through fences and crossing the street multiple times. Officers set up a barricade to prevent vehicles from entering the area. The cow nearly injured herself and nearby motorists, said Pickles, and the officers decided that the Taser was the best way to get the animal under control quickly.

I’m starting to get real annoyed at cops who seem to think that tasers are magic wands.

295 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 6:54:59am

On my way home from the airport on Monday, the guy driving me was a Mr. Kahn. He was clearly from the Muslim or arab world because of a trinket hanging from his mirror in the car. He said he was from Pakistan and had been here since 1980 or 81. He was around 60 and he was very well informed. This guy was classic … He bitched and moaned about everything … Especially the fee structure the TLC has in place for guys like him. Finally I told him I’d give him more than the fee and he said “nah … It isn’t your fault.”. He was a character and I asked him about Pakistan today and he said that in his old area (Swat) it was always peaceful until the religious people started having influence. He ripped into the Pakistan of today because of the corruption. But he said in his mosque here in New England, the imam says murder is always wrong. The lesson learned? Most people are inherently good and just want to be treated fairly. Hatred, on the other hand is a learned emotion.

296 darthstar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 6:57:27am

re: #280 RogueOne

Poor hugh. I don’t know how he’ll get over it:

Playboy founder Hugh Hefner dumped at the altar
[Link: www.reuters.com…]

Well, he’s on twitter apparently, so the possibilities are endless…

297 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:06:04am

morning all!

I’m on my first cuppa.

you?

298 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:07:08am

re: #284 Alouette

She probably did not like the terms of the boilerplate pre-nup.

Hugh and Newt get their pre-nups in bound pads from Kinko’s.

299 darthstar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:07:30am

re: #297 ggt

morning all!

I’m on my first cuppa.

you?

First cuppa…second poop. Time to run the dogs.

300 laZardo  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:08:58am

re: #297 ggt

morning all!

I’m on my first cuppa.

you?

Between anti-union court rulings, religious homophobes and having to deal with Paulians, the most infuriating news I had today was finding that one of my forum buddies just turned furry.

So how’s things? n_n

301 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:10:54am

re: #300 laZardo

Between anti-union court rulings, religious homophobes and having to deal with Paulians, the most infuriating news I had today was finding that one of my forum buddies just turned furry.

So how’s things? n_n

Actually, along the lines of dealing with Paulians: I’m having a discussion with a guy who is infatuated with Ron Paul. He went off about Wikileaks and how it was doing the world a favor, yada yada yada. I wanted to punch something, I got so angry.

302 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:11:24am

re: #300 laZardo

What does “turned furry” mean? Sorry, I’m old.

303 darthstar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:11:24am

re: #300 laZardo

Between anti-union court rulings, religious homophobes and having to deal with Paulians, the most infuriating news I had today was finding that one of my forum buddies just turned furry.

So how’s things? n_n

Furry? Too much LOLCat? I didn’t realize it was that bad for you.

304 laZardo  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:12:06am

re: #302 Cannadian Club Akbar

Ask WUB. :P

305 darthstar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:12:12am

re: #302 Cannadian Club Akbar

What does “turned furry” mean? Sorry, I’m old.

You’re not old…you just live in Florida and everyone around you is old.

306 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:12:41am

re: #302 Cannadian Club Akbar

What does “turned furry” mean? Sorry, I’m old.

You know how badly-stored pumpkins turn purple and furry? It’s not like that.

307 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:13:33am

YOU FREAKING PEOPLE ARE NO HELP!! AT ALL!!!
//

308 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:13:37am

re: #300 laZardo

Between anti-union court rulings, religious homophobes and having to deal with Paulians, the most infuriating news I had today was finding that one of my forum buddies just turned furry.

So how’s things? n_n

furry or furrie?

I’m awake,

Thanks for askin’!

309 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:13:42am

re: #302 Cannadian Club Akbar

What does “turned furry” mean? Sorry, I’m old.


You should use more sun screen??
Your in Florida …try to fit in!!
LOL

310 darthstar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:14:01am

re: #307 Cannadian Club Akbar

YOU FREAKING PEOPLE ARE NO HELP!! AT ALL!!!
//

You’re welcome.

311 laZardo  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:14:08am

re: #307 Cannadian Club Akbar

YOU FREAKING PEOPLE ARE NO HELP!! AT ALL!!!
//

WHAT DO YOU MEAN, YOU freaking PEOPLE?

/

312 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:14:31am

re: #302 Cannadian Club Akbar

What does “turned furry” mean? Sorry, I’m old.

Go ask your mother.

313 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:14:37am

re: #308 ggt

furry or furrie?

I’m awake,

Thanks for askin’!

“Furrie” sounds like a Scottish furry.

314 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:14:50am

Furries are just … .strange. IMHO.

I don’t get it, but I don’t have to.

315 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:15:26am

re: #307 Cannadian Club Akbar

YOU FREAKING PEOPLE ARE NO HELP!! AT ALL!!!
//

urbandictionary.com

316 laZardo  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:16:14am

re: #315 Decatur Deb

encyclopediadramatica.ch

FTFY

(and NSFW)

317 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:16:18am

re: #306 Decatur Deb

You know how badly-stored pumpkins turn purple and furry? It’s not like that.

…there’s a “proper” way to store pumpkins?…yuk!

318 KansasMom  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:17:06am

re: #315 Decatur Deb

Oh. And here I was thinking something about werewolves. This isn’t nearly as cool.

319 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:17:19am

re: #314 ggt

Furries are just …strange. IMHO.

I don’t get it, but I don’t have to.

Hiya :)

320 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:17:31am

re: #317 reloadingisnotahobby

…there’s a “proper” way to store pumpkins?…yuk!

in a 9” pie crust.

321 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:17:43am

re: #317 reloadingisnotahobby

…there’s a “proper” way to store pumpkins?…yuk!

Oh yes—I stored several hundred pounds of them in a cold damp shelter during my hippie farmer years. Very, very, bad.

322 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:18:21am

re: #318 KansasMom

Oh. And here I was thinking something about werewolves. This isn’t nearly as cool.

Werewolves would be much more cool.

There is the whole Undead subculture as well … .

323 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:18:47am

re: #316 laZardo

FTFY

(and NSFW)

I’m down with the first sentence.:)

324 darthstar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:19:08am

Well, this thread got kinky fast. It looks like it’s going to be a good Wednesday indeed.

325 KansasMom  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:19:11am

re: #300 laZardo

Between anti-union court rulings, religious homophobes and having to deal with Paulians, the most infuriating news I had today was finding that one of my forum buddies just turned furry.

So how’s things? n_n

Dare I ask how you found out about the furriness of your buddy?

Nevermind. Probably best you don’t share that.

326 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:19:34am

I think some people want to wear their halloween costumes all year round . ..

327 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:20:52am

GOP Cuts To Food Aid For Seniors And Food Banks Equals One Day Of Bush Tax Cuts For Millionaires


The CSFP provides food assistance to 600,000 low-income families every month, 96 percent of whom are seniors, while the TEFAP “provides our nation’s emergency food bank network with food commodities and storage and distribution support.” We previously noted that the cuts to WIC are roughly equivalent to the cost of extending the Bush tax cuts for millionaires alone for just one week.

As it turns out, the cuts to CSIP and TEFAB, according to Half in Ten’s Melissa Boteach, are equivalent to the cost of extending the Bush tax cuts for millionaires alone for just one day:

328 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:21:21am

re: #325 KansasMom

Dare I ask how you found out about the furriness of your buddy?

Nevermind. Probably best you don’t share that.

it’s called the internet

and on this internet, people share the details of their lives


sometimes they talk about how they draw animal monster critters and engineer costumes of such and go smoke weed in the desert with 50,000 other people who prefer the company of creative people to suspicious judgement


and sometimes they make a living off it

329 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:21:33am

re: #324 darthstar

Wow …it’s Wed…already??
Time flys …
When your day starts out with only a Pulaski and a digging bar things go down hill rapidly…..
But then…for 54 years old ..I’m a bad Mo Fo!

330 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:22:21am

It was going to be a good WEd for me, but I got called into work.

I really wanted a day off.

oh well, at least I have work… .

331 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:22:29am

re: #328 WindUpBird

…Burning Man reference??

333 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:22:56am

re: #326 ggt

I think some people want to wear their halloween costumes all year round . ..

Well, around 4-5 times a year for me, it’s still a lot of effort


I just basically prefer my life of creating fun stuff for a living rather than working a real job chopping down trees or installing aluminum siding or driving trucks or whatever :-)

334 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:23:16am

re: #331 reloadingisnotahobby

…Burning Man reference??

that’s what that would be!

black rock city, class of 2010

335 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:23:18am

re: #330 ggt

It was going to be a good WEd for me, but I got called into work.

I really wanted a day off.

oh well, at least I have work… .

You making fun of me?
/

336 laZardo  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:23:20am

re: #325 KansasMom

Skype.

There, I said it.

337 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:23:35am

re: #326 ggt

I think some people want to wear their halloween costumes all year round . ..

My daughter was taken to the emergency room in a cougar costume. She was the relief mascot for our football team and passed out. The insurance co. tried to reject the claim as a “psychiatric admission”.

338 kirkspencer  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:24:19am

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

To which I answer: Some Republicans are that bigoted. I’m not, though, neither is my family nor is my senator (Mark Kirk) nor Mitt Romney. Be careful with generalizations, please.

Way back before you had to be registered to play, I visited this site a lot. I frequently dealt with the claims that “liberals would” or “liberals do” with phrases much the same way. It is a major reason why I quit coming to LGF - couldn’t stand the behavior that today gets a person banned.

Here’s the thing, though. While I don’t recall (and don’t care about) the names of those who harangued me, I distinctly recall the name of the person who supported my position once in a while. It wasn’t you.re: #245 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Someone who commits suicide should have “See? I told you I was depressed!” etched on their tombstones.

Someone in their right minds simply can not off themselves. It is so against the human preservation nature.

I’ve been to three suicide funerals. Can’t say I recommend them. Never seen such emotional destruction.

I am going to disagree about the highlighted portion. If you are facing an incurable disease with 100% fatality rates, of which the last stage leaves you in constant pain and near immobility, suicide becomes a choice worth considering.

Consider as well the “no extraordinary measures” statements in living wills. They are, essentially, pre-designated assisted suicide statements.

No, I cannot agree with the belief that nobody in their right mind would off themselves, or (implied) request others help them do so.

339 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:24:24am

re: #337 Decatur Deb

My daughter was taken to the emergency room in a cougar costume. She was the relief mascot for our football team and passed out. The insurance co. tried to reject the claim as a “psychiatric admission”.

Well, there is a definition of furries I with which I might agree … . .

340 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:24:59am

re: #337 Decatur Deb

My daughter was taken to the emergency room in a cougar costume. She was the relief mascot for our football team and passed out. The insurance co. tried to reject the claim as a “psychiatric admission”.

wow! really?

Good to know if anyone I know gets dehydrated, get them out of the costume before the beancounters see them, yikes

341 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:25:39am

re: #339 ggt

Well, there is a definition of furries I with which I might agree …

The definition I like is “professional”

342 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:26:05am

re: #334 WindUpBird

Burned an aircraft Magnezium block 10 miles from a military base in 79
…BAD IDEA!!
Joshua Tree class of ” I wouldn’t do that if was you”!!
Sheriff and M.P’s were not pleased..LOL

343 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:26:59am

re: #342 reloadingisnotahobby

Burned an aircraft Magnezium block 10 miles from a military base in 79
…BAD IDEA!!
Joshua Tree class of ” I wouldn’t do that if was you”!!
Sheriff and M.P’s were not pleased..LOL

boys … . !

344 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:27:25am

re: #342 reloadingisnotahobby

Burned an aircraft Magnezium block 10 miles from a military base in 79
…BAD IDEA!!
Joshua Tree class of ” I wouldn’t do that if was you”!!
Sheriff and M.P’s were not pleased..LOL

that must have been bright *_*

345 kirkspencer  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:27:36am

re: #338 kirkspencer

Oh FRACK. I meant to delete the first part to DF as I realized I was venting spleen unnecessarily. mea culpa and apologies to all.

346 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:27:50am

re: #340 WindUpBird

wow! really?

Good to know if anyone I know gets dehydrated, get them out of the costume before the beancounters see them, yikes

You’d want to get them out and hosed down anyway. Don’t you guys have a first-aid manual?

347 iossarian  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:28:20am

re: #333 WindUpBird

Well, around 4-5 times a year for me, it’s still a lot of effort

I just basically prefer my life of creating fun stuff for a living rather than working a real job chopping down trees or installing aluminum siding or driving trucks or whatever :-)

Have you ever read “Frederick”, the children’s book about a mouse who’s also a poet?

I like the book, but I always have a sneaking feeling that in the real world, when winter rolled around the other mice would have kicked Frederick out in the snow :)

348 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:29:03am

re: #347 iossarian

Have you ever read “Frederick”, the children’s book about a mouse who’s also a poet?

I like the book, but I always have a sneaking feeling that in the real world, when winter rolled around the other mice would have kicked Frederick out in the snow :)

after they gave him a “swirlie”?

349 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:31:30am

re: #342 reloadingisnotahobby

Burned an aircraft Magnezium block 10 miles from a military base in 79
…BAD IDEA!!
Joshua Tree class of ” I wouldn’t do that if was you”!!
Sheriff and M.P’s were not pleased..LOL

You should have worked for US Army Chemical Systems Lab. They have a Pyrotechnics Division:

google.com

350 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:32:39am

Palestian Officer who helped CIA wasn’t detained?

Will the Real Truth please stand-up.

351 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:32:56am

re: #346 Decatur Deb

You’d want to get them out and hosed down anyway. Don’t you guys have a first-aid manual?

hahah i was a health care worker with 14-odd years experience, of course we would if it was a full fursuit (we actually have rooms dedicated to cooling off, we call them “headless lounges”, they have fans, they’re over A/Ced, lots of water, etc

but costumes in my community aren’t all sweltering mascot style full coverage walking-carpet things, a lot of our costumes are about as heavy as your average set of pajamas, mine in particular is what we call a “partial” just basically a light foam thing that sits on my head with some battery packs, and the wings are just like stage props, I have to hold them, and then whatever I choose to wear, not much warmer than anything else anyone is wearing on the street ;-)

352 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:34:05am

re: #347 iossarian

Have you ever read “Frederick”, the children’s book about a mouse who’s also a poet?

I like the book, but I always have a sneaking feeling that in the real world, when winter rolled around the other mice would have kicked Frederick out in the snow :)

I was a fan of Bunnicula and Secret of NIMH when I was a kid, but I have not read Frederick!

353 darthstar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:34:06am

Watched my wife do some practice swimming for her upcoming triathlon…some little gray critter popped his head up and got into this picture.
(no, my wife is not a furry)

354 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:34:16am

re: #350 ggt

Palestian Officer who helped CIA wasn’t detained?

Will the Real Truth please stand-up.

They should have been given a reward and asylum in the country od their choice!

355 Lidane  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:34:17am

Morning, Lizards! Today promises to be a better day at work than yesterday.

Also, I think I’m becoming a morning person. When the hell did that happen?

356 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:34:56am

re: #355 Lidane

Morning, Lizards! Today promises to be a better day at work than yesterday.

Also, I think I’m becoming a morning person. When the hell did that happen?

Abandon that idea —I’ve tried it.

357 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:34:57am

re: #352 WindUpBird

Bunnicula is one of the few series that can stand up against the Roald Dahl books in terms of quality.

358 Lidane  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:35:04am

re: #352 WindUpBird

I was a fan of Bunnicula and Secret of NIMH when I was a kid, but I have not read Frederick!

Watership Down was one of my favorites as a kid.

359 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:35:08am

re: #351 WindUpBird

hahah i was a health care worker with 14-odd years experience, of course we would if it was a full fursuit (we actually have rooms dedicated to cooling off, we call them “headless lounges”, they have fans, they’re over A/Ced, lots of water, etc

but costumes in my community aren’t all sweltering mascot style full coverage walking-carpet things, a lot of our costumes are about as heavy as your average set of pajamas, mine in particular is what we call a “partial” just basically a light foam thing that sits on my head with some battery packs, and the wings are just like stage props, I have to hold them, and then whatever I choose to wear, not much warmer than anything else anyone is wearing on the street ;-)

This is why I don’t take you anywhere anymore.
//

360 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:35:08am

Off to start my day.

Have a great one all!

361 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:35:24am

re: #357 Obdicut

Bunnicula is one of the few series that can stand up against the Roald Dahl books in terms of quality.

it’s so great! I think i read it like 4 times when I was a kid

362 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:35:40am

re: #358 Lidane

Watership Down was one of my favorites as a kid.

HELL YEAH

363 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:36:08am

re: #355 Lidane

I slept in till 7 am…once…I think it was in ah.. 1992?

364 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:36:59am

re: #361 WindUpBird

it’s so great! I think i read it like 4 times when I was a kid

You know there was more than one book, right?

365 laZardo  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:37:26am

re: #358 Lidane

Watership Down was one of my favorites as a kid.

Childrens’ stories…have changed.

[sadly, no english subs on youtube ;-;]

366 Lidane  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:37:41am

re: #357 Obdicut

Bunnicula is one of the few series that can stand up against the Roald Dahl books in terms of quality.

Roald Dahl, Shel Silverstein, Beverly Cleary, and Judy Blume practically defined my childhood. And S.E. Hinton and Francine Pascal were my crack in middle school.

367 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:39:14am

re: #366 Lidane

The Great Brain series is wonderful and totally overlooked in terms of quality, I think because it presents the character of the Great Brain as kind of amoral.

amazon.com

368 laZardo  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:39:40am

re: #366 Lidane

My favorite mandatory school reading was Catherine Called Birdy.

“I am 14 and have not yet seen a hanging. My life is barren.”

369 Lidane  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:39:45am

re: #356 ggt

Abandon that idea —I’ve tried it.

Heh. I don’t know if it’s Stockholm Syndrome or what, but since starting this internship I get up and out the door early. Like by 7 am early. This is nuts.

Back when I worked in radio I took afternoon/evening shifts so I could go out after work and sleep in. Now I’m getting to work early. WTF?

370 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:41:05am

re: #369 Lidane

Heh. I don’t know if it’s Stockholm Syndrome or what, but since starting this internship I get up and out the door early. Like by 7 am early. This is nuts.

Back when I worked in radio I took afternoon/evening shifts so I could go out after work and sleep in. Now I’m getting to work early. WTF?

I actually find a lot of value in going in to work early. I can come home, spend the afternoon out in the garden or otherwise occupied, go out for a nice dinner+movie with the Mrs. Fish, and then sleep at a halfway decent hour. Not to mention avoiding rush hour both ways.

371 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:42:27am

re: #358 Lidane

Watership Down was one of my favorites as a kid.

Great movie but I saw it when I was a little too young and didn’t quite understand the concept of a dark cartoon. It kinda freaked me out.

372 KansasMom  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:42:33am

Bunnicula! Gawd I loved that one…I wonder if I can get it for my son’s Nook.

373 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:43:46am

re: #371 Killgore Trout

Great movie but I saw it when I was a little too young and didn’t quite understand the concept of a dark cartoon. It kinda freaked me out.

I remember the Ralph Bakshi animated version of Lord of the Rings. That totally sucked.

374 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:45:24am

Daytime stuff—BBL

375 iossarian  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:47:06am

re: #371 Killgore Trout

Great movie but I saw it when I was a little too young and didn’t quite understand the concept of a dark cartoon. It kinda freaked me out.

The bit at the start when the warren is attacked is terrifying. I’m not sure how old I’d want my kids to be before they see that.

re: #373 Alouette

I remember the Ralph Bakshi animated version of Lord of the Rings. That totally sucked.

Well, I agree it was a mess. Parts of the animation were pretty cool though.

376 Lidane  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:47:52am

re: #371 Killgore Trout

Great movie but I saw it when I was a little too young and didn’t quite understand the concept of a dark cartoon. It kinda freaked me out.

I didn’t fully get it when I saw it either. I remember the blood freaking me out. And The Secret of NIMH made me cry. Also, The Dark Crystal weirded me out.

I was a kinda dark kid, though. Still am, to an extent. I’m a happy person overall, but like anyone else I have my moments of gallows humor and of being incredibly cynical.

377 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:48:08am

re: #373 Alouette

I remember the Ralph Bakshi animated version of Lord of the Rings. That totally sucked.

The music was awful in those things. Wizards was really cool…
Youtube Video

378 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:48:30am

re: #32 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Certainly puts things into perspective. Here we are, shaking and shivering that Lil Kim may develop ICBMs or Dinnerjacket will finally complete his Quest for Atomic Fire, while Pakistan is slowly succumbing to a terminal case of Jihadism, putting its arsenal of 100+ nukes into play.

Their scientists have already been selling knowledge and how to plans for nukes for quite a few years before we even knew about it (if I remember correctly it came up in 2005-06 or so that they were selling nuke know how on some market). As I have said before about Pakistan, I don’t trust them as far as I can throw the country (hence, not at all).

379 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:51:05am

re: #378 RayFerd

Their scientists have already been selling knowledge and how to plans for nukes for quite a few years before we even knew about it (if I remember correctly it came up in 2005-06 or so that they were selling nuke know how on some market). As I have said before about Pakistan, I don’t trust them as far as I can throw the country (hence, not at all).

A Q Kahn is the father of the Bomb in the middle east.

380 abolitionist  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:52:32am

re: #326 ggt

I think some people want to wear their halloween costumes all year round . ..

Teen cringes as Utah father dresses in costume every day to wave at his bus.

382 laZardo  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 7:55:39am

re: #381 Lidane

John of Orange is flailing around again:

Paging William…

383 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 8:07:23am

Crudge linking to Alex Jones again:
TSA ‘Security Exercise’ Covers 3 States, 5,000 Miles..

384 Stephen T.  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 8:08:23am

re: #81 wlewisiii

I always hated the Tom Clancy books because he always had this “Tech Always Works” fantasy going down.

I’ve always hated the Tom Clancy books because the bad guys have a leftist ideology, always, even if history and reality proved otherwise. Any right wing “terrorists” in his books were ultimately being manipulated secretly by their socialist masters.

385 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 8:12:10am

re: #383 Killgore Trout

Crudge linking to Alex Jones again:
TSA ‘Security Exercise’ Covers 3 States, 5,000 Miles..

From the link:
“In addition to using three helicopters for aerial inspection

Really? As opposed to the super duper helisubmarines we didn’t know the gubment has?

386 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 8:14:02am

re: #384 Scarecrow237

I’ve always hated the Tom Clancy books because the bad guys have a leftist ideology, always, even if history and reality proved otherwise. Any right wing “terrorists” in his books were ultimately being manipulated secretly by their socialist masters.

I seem to remember there were Japanese bad guys in one of his books.

387 122 Year Old Obama  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 8:14:40am

re: #384 Scarecrow237

Sounds like where Glenn Beck gets his “info”.

388 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 8:14:51am

re: #386 Alouette

I seem to remember there were Japanese bad guys in one of his books.

And Muslim terrorist that were change into Russians by Hollywood.

389 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 8:16:30am

re: #388 Cannadian Club Akbar

And Muslim terrorist that were change into Russians by Hollywood.

Serbs are the good old reliable Hollywood bad guys.

390 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 8:17:48am

re: #384 Scarecrow237

his computer game development co has put out some good titles, but yeah, it’s all very thinly disguised right-wing fantasy

OH LOOK TEH EVIL ANVIRONMANTALISTSS!1111

391 iossarian  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 8:18:20am

re: #389 Alouette

Serbs are the good old reliable Hollywood bad guys.

Like Russians, only CRAZIER!

392 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 8:20:36am

re: #384 Scarecrow237

my favorite Tom Clancy game is the one nobody remembers, because it was pre-Xbox kiddies: amazon.com

And itself, it was a pale imitator of x-com, but even still, a well done little turn based game

393 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 8:21:55am

re: #390 WindUpBird

his computer game development co has put out some good titles, but yeah, it’s all very thinly disguised right-wing fantasy

OH LOOK TEH EVIL ANVIRONMANTALISTSS!1111

I saw a 60 Minutes piece on ELF. Don’t agree with what they do, but they sure are some tricky fuckers. (leaving zero evidence)

394 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 8:24:11am

re: #373 Alouette

I remember the Ralph Bakshi animated version of Lord of the Rings. That totally sucked.

:/

well, part of that was because the suits rearranged themselves like ches spieces, the guy who wa sin charge of the project was out, the guy who becamse in charge of it decided to destroy it, pulled the funding on him before it was done, I wouldn’t mind seeing what most Hollywood directors would do in the same situation


bakshi is still a better director than about 98% of hollywood, more talent in that guy’s little finger than anything, to eclipse the garbage that’s put out now

Sorry, I may be young, but nobody on LGf knows more about animation than me :-)

395 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 8:25:28am

re: #376 Lidane

I didn’t fully get it when I saw it either. I remember the blood freaking me out. And The Secret of NIMH made me cry. Also, The Dark Crystal weirded me out.

I was a kinda dark kid, though. Still am, to an extent. I’m a happy person overall, but like anyone else I have my moments of gallows humor and of being incredibly cynical.

Dark Crystal, production design by Brian Froud (same as Labyrinth) I have original art book, with the overlays, before the reprint

396 lostlakehiker  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 8:25:48am

re: #24 Capitalist Tool

Iran’s about to get nukes. North Korea would like everyone to think it is a nuclear power.

North Korea has demonstrated, with tests, that it is in fact a nuclear power. This isn’t really a question of who thinks what. When enough facts are available, rational discourse converges on “the answer” and there is no further room for rational debate.

One answer is correct, and the other answer is wrong.

Of course, it may sometimes be necessary to bring an initially ignorant but interested party up to speed on the matter, and even though the answer is known, it’s not fair to bully the newbie.

397 Lidane  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 8:27:15am

re: #390 WindUpBird

his computer game development co has put out some good titles, but yeah, it’s all very thinly disguised right-wing fantasy

OH LOOK TEH EVIL ANVIRONMANTALISTSS!1111

For the record, the computer game development company that puts out the Tom Clancy games isn’t his anymore. Red Storm was bought out by Ubisoft back in 2000, meaning that they in fact own the franchise outright.

I don’t think he has much input with any of the more recent games except in terms of collecting royalty checks.

398 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 8:28:35am

re: #373 Alouette

I’d recommend Wizards if you really want to see Bakshi at his best

399 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 8:29:38am

re: #397 Lidane

For the record, the computer game development company that puts out the Tom Clancy games isn’t his anymore. Red Storm was bought out by Ubisoft back in 2000, meaning that they in fact own the franchise outright.

I don’t think he has much input with any of the more recent games except in terms of collecting royalty checks.

Oh I’m sure it’s all the same to him!

The last Red Storm game I played all the way through was around 2000, not coincidentally enough. :D

400 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 8:37:02am

re: #387 SteelPH

Sounds like where Glenn Beck gets his “info”.

or at least, clever minds think alike

Glenn Beck is a storyteller, the problem with him is it’s not a game or a novel, problem (or solution) is he pretends the storytelling is news, and the great unwashed pig-people known as Loyal Fox News Viewers look up from their TV dinners and swallow every word

Really quite genius, in its own sort of sick way, the apes and slugs who wave their arms and cry aloft, IT’S THE END OF AMERICA!!! if Obama is elected again! Oh ho! They’rs just victims of storytelling, like someone who thinks the magician’s trick is real

No, my friends, sorry to disappoint you, America is far far too stupid to die, it’ll just become more dull and boring and sluggish and given to tribalist gibbering and superstitious nonsense, with bright spots now and again, ignoring the great vast dumb, tapping into the world economy

401 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 8:41:55am

I’m assuming everyone has heard about some lawmakers suing the White House over Libya. I have to go out for errands, but can anyone get a list of names?

As one can imagine, I’m livid.

402 Interesting Times  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 8:45:15am

re: #400 WindUpBird

What, don’t you know America has the best health care in the world?

According to the University of Washington’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation, over the past decade, life expectancy in the majority of U.S. counties dropped below the life expectancy of people in the 10 nations who live the longest.

403 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 8:46:43am

re: #401 ProLifeLiberal

I’m assuming everyone has heard about some lawmakers suing the White House over Libya. I have to go out for errands, but can anyone get a list of names?

As one can imagine, I’m livid.

Kucinich D-ohio
Jones R-NC
Might be more. Dunno.

foxnews.com

404 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 8:49:43am

TMZ has another scoop! Another topless politician:

tmz.com

405 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 8:50:50am

re: #404 reuven

TMZ has another scoop! Another topless politician:

[Link: www.tmz.com…]

Farmers tan!

406 Slap  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 8:53:34am

re: #405 Cannadian Club Akbar

Farmers tan!

Manatee!

407 Stephen T.  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 8:54:12am

re: #244 boxhead

I knew a guy from high school that was a sweet and likeable guy. He had girlfriends and as far as I knew never mistreated any of them. After he got married things changed, he got arrested for a string of domestics that disturbed me, I didn’t doubt that they were fighting with each other ‘cause I saw the bruises he had. I just could not see this meek guy hitting anyone, much less a woman. After the third domestic charge, I was asked by the police to go collect some of his stuff from his wife. When I left him to do this he was having his jaw wired shut due to an “exchange of blows”. When I got to his place his wife answered the door. There was not a mark on her face, but both hands were splinted.

Apparently he had been beating up her fists with his face all along. I made sure that the police arrested the right person after that.

408 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 8:56:14am

re: #406 Slap

Manatee!

Live cam from Manatee County!!!

409 Four More Tears  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 8:58:16am

re: #404 reuven

TMZ has another scoop! Another topless politician:

[Link: www.tmz.com…]

Quick! Get it back in the water!!!

410 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 8:59:15am

re: #400 WindUpBird

Glenn Beck is a storyteller, the problem with him is it’s not a game or a novel, problem (or solution) is he pretends the storytelling is news, and the great unwashed pig-people known as Loyal Fox News Viewers look up from their TV dinners and swallow every word

Really quite genius, in its own sort of sick way, the apes and slugs who wave their arms and cry aloft, IT’S THE END OF AMERICA!!! if Obama is elected again! Oh ho! They’rs just victims of storytelling, like someone who thinks the magician’s trick is real

Political showbiz, complete with traveling medicine shows and carnival barkers.

411 Buck  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 9:02:31am

re: #400 WindUpBird

America is far far too stupid to die, it’ll just become more dull and boring and sluggish and given to tribalist gibbering and superstitious nonsense, with bright spots now and again, ignoring the great vast dumb, tapping into the world economy

I nominate “America is far far too stupid to die” as a rotating title.

412 Buck  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 9:06:26am

re: #402 publicityStunted

I am not going to do the research, but it looks to me like the stats are comparing “counties” with “countries” or “Nations”.

Not exactly apples with apples.

There might be a little bit of stat manipulation going on.

413 jaunte  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 9:17:32am

re: #404 reuven

TMZ has another scoop! Another topless politician:

[Link: www.tmz.com…]

They should help that poor thing get back into the water.

414 laZardo  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 9:30:42am

Headan to bed, nighty

415 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 9:41:07am

re: #401 ProLifeLiberal

I’m assuming everyone has heard about some lawmakers suing the White House over Libya. I have to go out for errands, but can anyone get a list of names?

As one can imagine, I’m livid.

thehill.com

Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio)
Walter Jones (R-N.C.)

Howard Coble (R-N.C.)
John Duncan (R-Tenn.)
Roscoe Bartlett (R-Md.)
Ron Paul (R-Texas)
Tim Johnson (R-Ill.)
and Dan Burton (R-Ind.)
John Conyers (D-Mich.)
Michael Capuano (D-Mass.)

416 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 9:46:00am

re: #415 negativ

[Link: thehill.com…]

Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio)
Walter Jones (R-N.C.)

Howard Coble (R-N.C.)
John Duncan (R-Tenn.)
Roscoe Bartlett (R-Md.)
Ron Paul (R-Texas)
Tim Johnson (R-Ill.)
and Dan Burton (R-Ind.)
John Conyers (D-Mich.)
Michael Capuano (D-Mass.)


ftfy

417 Buck  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 9:46:33am

re: #401 ProLifeLiberal

I’m assuming everyone has heard about some lawmakers suing the White House over Libya. I have to go out for errands, but can anyone get a list of names?

As one can imagine, I’m livid.

Actually it looks like the suit is going to be over “The War Powers Resolution of 1973 (50 U.S.C. 1541-1548) “.

It just might be a good idea to get this cleared up. Richard Nixon didn’t like it (he vetoed it) either.

Maybe it is time to get a decision about the Constitutionality?

I think it might be a good idea to get it straight.

418 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 9:48:06am

re: #416 sattv4u2

How was the car trip, and more important, where’s my cheerleader?

419 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 9:51:13am

re: #418 Cannadian Club Akbar

How was the car trip, and more important, where’s my cheerleader?

Trip was great

Hotel we stayed at, not so much

I’ve decided to keep the cheerleader here just to make sure she’s peppy !!

/

420 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 9:54:49am

re: #419 sattv4u2

Trip was great

Hotel we stayed at, not so much

I’ve decided to keep the cheerleader here just to make sure she’s peppy !!

/

Lemme guess, her name is Brittany!! Or Ashely!!
(no offense to any Lizards or family of any Lizards)

421 Kragar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 9:55:35am

re: #420 Cannadian Club Akbar

Lemme guess, her name is Brittany!! Or Ashely!!
(no offense to any Lizards or family of any Lizards)

Krystal with a K.

422 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 9:56:55am

re: #421 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Krystal with a K.

I like her burger chain.

423 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 9:57:08am

re: #417 Buck

Actually it looks like the suit is going to be over “The War Powers Resolution of 1973 (50 U.S.C. 1541-1548) “.

It just might be a good idea to get this cleared up. Richard Nixon didn’t like it (he vetoed it) either.

Maybe it is time to get a decision about the Constitutionality?

I think it might be a good idea to get it straight.

I think it’s politically stupid for the GOP to put so much effort into siding with Q’Daffy. He’s a terrorist and a dictator. Even if they win against Obama and save his regime they’re going to look like massive assholes. Imagine what you’d say if the Dems did the same thing to protect terrorist regimes from a Republican president.

424 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 9:58:55am

re: #423 Killgore Trout

I think it’s politically stupid for the GOP to put so much effort into siding with Q’Daffy. He’s a terrorist and a dictator. Even if they win against Obama and save his regime they’re going to look like massive assholes. Imagine what you’d say if the Dems did the same thing to protect terrorist regimes from a Republican president.

And the “D”s on that list?

They’re doing it out of ,,,, ?????

425 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 9:59:52am

Lefty loon Kucinich to become the new Wingnut hero…
Kucinich To Sue Obama For Violating War Powers Act In Libya

Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) and Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.) announced Wednesday that they are suing Obama in federal court over the constitutionality of leading the U.S. into war with Libya without seeking Congressional approval. Specifically, their lawsuit challenges the executive branch’s circumvention of Congress and its use of international organizations — namely, the United Nations and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization — to authorize the use of military force abroad.

“With regard to the war in Libya, we believe that the law was violated,” Kucinich said in a statement. “We have asked the courts to move to protect the American people from the results of these illegal policies.”

426 Kragar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 10:00:33am

re: #422 Cannadian Club Akbar

I like her burger chain.

Is that what the kids are calling that nowadays?

428 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 10:02:02am

re: #424 sattv4u2

And the “D”s on that list?

They’re doing it out of ,,, ???

Complete lefty stupidity. Kucinich, George Galloway, Cindy Sheehan, Sean Penn, etc. Lefties love dictators who oppose America. It’s sad to see the GOP following Code Pink.

429 Kragar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 10:02:48am

re: #427 Varek Raith

GOP Rep. Fleischmann’s Gas Pumping Stunt Cost Station Employee A Day’s Pay

Dick.

430 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 10:03:38am

re: #429 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Dick.

Who’s that in your avatar???
Admiral Wayne Static???
/

431 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 10:03:41am

re: #427 Varek Raith

GOP Rep. Fleischmann’s Gas Pumping Stunt Cost Station Employee A Day’s Pay

Well, dude was pumping gas. I’m gonna go out on a limb here and guess the guy that lost a days pay doesn’t actually pump gas.

432 Kragar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 10:05:01am

re: #430 Varek Raith

Who’s that in your avatar???
Admiral Wayne Static???
/

Sascha Baron Cohen, dictator for life

433 Randall Gross  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 10:05:22am

Ed Morrissey is pimping a new ice age based on sketchy bullshit from the less than reliable but always sensationalistic “The Register”… he’s already backpedaled from “New Maunder Minimum” to “Dalton min”

434 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 10:05:27am

Members of Congress Slapping Obama With Libya Lawsuit
A sample fox News comment…

We often think of Paul and Kasinich as the oddballs of their respective parties but often they get it right. IMO…we have a president who thinks he’s above the law.
435 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 10:05:54am

re: #434 Killgore Trout

Members of Congress Slapping Obama With Libya Lawsuit
A sample fox News comment…

Lol.
Code Pinkified Wingnuts!

436 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 10:06:01am

re: #428 Killgore Trout

Complete lefty stupidity. Kucinich, George Galloway, Cindy Sheehan, Sean Penn, etc. Lefties love dictators who oppose America. It’s sad to see the GOP following Code Pink.

Regardless of the outcome of this “suit”, Moomar will be gone anyway

In this instance I don’t think any of them, lefties nor righties are siding with a dictator, rather they are questioning the presidents powers, now and for the future

Ever since 9/11, it’s been unchartered territory as to who/what/where/when the US can/ should use force

I don’t see having that defined as a bad thing

437 Kragar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 10:07:09am

LulzSec Infects 4Chan Users, Uses Them to DDoS the World

438 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 10:07:55am

re: #431 Cannadian Club Akbar

Well, dude was pumping gas. I’m gonna go out on a limb here and guess the guy that lost a days pay doesn’t actually pump gas.

iirc, in New Jersey, “you” can’t pump gas

(at least not on the New Jersey Turnpike rest stations)

439 Buck  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 10:08:03am

re: #423 Killgore Trout

I think it’s politically stupid for the GOP to put so much effort into siding with Q’Daffy. He’s a terrorist and a dictator. Even if they win against Obama and save his regime they’re going to look like massive assholes. Imagine what you’d say if the Dems did the same thing to protect terrorist regimes from a Republican president.

You can put it that way, but it would be inaccurate. If Obama went in front of Congress and didn’t get the “authorization of the use of military force” then you would be right. However in this case Obama doesn’t feel he needs to do that. So we don’t know what congress feels about “siding with Q’Daffy”.

Should Obama comply with the “War Powers Resolution”? Does he have to? I would think that both Dems and Republicans would want to know the final answer.

440 engineer cat  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 10:10:13am

presidents have been playing fast and loose with the constitutional power of congress only to declare war ever since truman sent in troops to korea under the cover story that it was only a “police action”. the war powers act is only an attempt to bring practice back in line with the constitution

441 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 10:11:03am

re: #438 sattv4u2

iirc, in New Jersey, “you” can’t pump gas

(at least not on the New Jersey Turnpike rest stations)

1 person to removed nozzle from pump.
1 person to remove gas cap.
1 person to pump gas.
1 person to tell guy pumping gas to slow down.
1 person…….
////

442 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 10:13:05am

Alrighty. Gotta run. bbiab.

443 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 10:13:21am

re: #437 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

LulzSec Infects 4Chan Users, Uses Them to DDoS the World

/b/tards.

444 blueraven  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 10:14:39am

re: #433 Thanos

Ed Morrissey is pimping a new ice age based on sketchy bullshit from the less than reliable but always sensationalistic “The Register”… he’s already backpedaled from “New Maunder Minimum” to “Dalton min”


I was just reading about that and ended up at the NASA website. It gives me a headache. I don’t understand any of it. But I did not read anywhere on the NASA site about a new ice age!

445 Varek Raith  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 10:15:11am

re: #444 blueraven

I was just reading about that and ended up at the NASA website. It gives me a headache. I don’t understand any of it. But I did not read anywhere on the NASA site about a new ice age!

Freaking UTC, how does it work?!?!

446 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 10:20:06am

re: #436 sattv4u2

Regardless of the outcome of this “suit”, Moomar will be gone anyway

In this instance I don’t think any of them, lefties nor righties are siding with a dictator, rather they are questioning the presidents powers, now and for the future

Ever since 9/11, it’s been unchartered territory as to who/what/where/when the US can/ should use force

I don’t see having that defined as a bad thing

What do you imagine Reagan would think of seeing his party side with Q’Daffy against America?

447 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 10:21:17am

Ronald Reagan Airstrike Libya
Youtube Video

448 iossarian  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 10:22:50am

re: #433 Thanos

Ed Morrissey is pimping a new ice age based on sketchy bullshit from the less than reliable but always sensationalistic “The Register”… he’s already backpedaled from “New Maunder Minimum” to “Dalton min”

Sigh, The Register…

There’s this really weird IT/libertarian subculture which that website taps into. They’re too clever to come right out and advocate for doing nothing about global warming, but they absolutely play into that mindset. I note that another of their headlines is currently bitching about how using renewable sources is going to push the price of electricity up.

Plus they have this really sad propensity for colloquialism in their articles, presumably because they think it makes them sound like “the bloke in the pub”, when in fact it just makes them sound like twats (to use another charming British colloquialism - see what I did there?).

449 Randall Gross  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 10:23:41am

re: #444 blueraven

I was just reading about that and ended up at the NASA website. It gives me a headache. I don’t understand any of it. But I did not read anywhere on the NASA site about a new ice age!

Here you go from the report they cited, and the links
Image: Zurich_Color_Small.jpg so you can see that the sunspot cycle most likely is starting…
I just have one thing to say to Ed

Youtube Video

450 Randall Gross  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 10:24:22am

re: #447 Killgore Trout

Ronald Reagan Airstrike Libya

[Video]

There was also that Thomas Jefferson series of actions in Libya…

451 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 10:26:27am

re: #449 Thanos

I just have one thing to say to Ed

[Video]

Blow it out your as…tral object?

452 Kragar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 10:27:38am

re: #450 Thanos

There was also that Thomas Jefferson series of actions in Libya…

Where Elvis led the Marines across the desert and was awarded the Marmaduke sword…
/

453 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 10:29:47am

re: #435 Varek Raith

Lol.
Code Pinkified Wingnuts!

Code Pink Elephant

454 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 10:35:11am

re: #450 Thanos

There was also that Thomas Jefferson series of actions in Libya…

Treaty of Tripoli, ftw.

455 Kragar  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 10:36:25am

re: #454 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Treaty of Tripoli, ftw.

Where the US hired Muslim mercenaries to fight for us, then decided not to pay them.

456 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 10:40:58am

re: #446 Killgore Trout

What do you imagine Reagan would think of seeing his party side with Q’Daffy against America?

What part of Ever since 9/11, it’s been unchartered territory as to who/what/where/when the US can/ should use force

I don’t see having that defined as a bad thing
were you unclear about?

457 allegro  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 10:42:45am

re: #455 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Where the US hired Muslim mercenaries to fight for us, then decided not to pay them.

Izzat what they’re so pissed off about?

/

458 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 10:43:15am

re: #455 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Where the US hired Muslim mercenaries to fight for us, then decided not to pay them.

Just tell em the check is in the mail

459 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 10:44:41am

Morning Lizards. This doesn’t sound good.

Iran puts Rasad 1 satellite into orbit - state TV

I’m going to take this with a grain of salt until it has been confirmed by a more reliable source, but if it turns out to be true, the ramifications of Iran developing and demonstrating heavy lift capabilities is a bit on the scary side.

460 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 12:19:05pm

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

Now Fischer, he really is a revisionist douchebag. His linking homosexuality to the rise of the Nazi party is one the dumbest, most tendentious pieces of crap I’ve ever heard of.

That old meme has been around for about a decade and a half. It started with a book by that creep Scott Lively, an old AFA honcho. amzn.to

461 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Jun 15, 2011 1:32:20pm

re: #454 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Treaty of Tripoli, ftw.

We are not, and never have been a christian nation.


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