Here’s the President’s speech on a plan for the future of the Afghanistan conflict.
[Video removed…]
The Washington Post has a transcript: Obama’s Afghanistan speech: Full text.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:05:13pm |
I realize this is totally off-topic and not far into the thread, but we're a little more focused right now on the fact that the Princess just left on her first official date.
Luckily, it's with a young man we know and that she has no romantic feelings for, so I'm not too worried.
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Alexzander Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:05:41pm |
This was clearly in the works as soon as Bin Laden was taken out.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:07:15pm |
Too much gold in that hallway behind him. They should tone that down.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:08:06pm |
re: #4 Killgore Trout
Too much gold in that hallway behind him. They should tone that down.
It's a palace!
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engineer cat Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:08:16pm |
i think the president should announce that we are also going back in to vietnam for another ten years since so many people know that we could have won there if we had only had that good old stick-to-it spirit instead of being a bunch of whiny peaceniks
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Alexzander Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:08:30pm |
Where the hell is everyone? Been super re: #4 Killgore Trout
Too much gold in that hallway behind him. They should tone that down.
One of those chairs is probably more valuable than all of my possessions combined.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:10:27pm |
"will come to a responsible end"
Not your usual Presidential description of a wars end.
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sod Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:10:46pm |
re: #8 Alexzander
Where the hell is everyone?
Probably listening to the President speak or something.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:10:58pm |
Pragmatism.
That to me is this administration. A good thing, finally.
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prairiefire Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:12:25pm |
re: #2 EmmmieG
I realize this is totally off-topic and not far into the thread, but we're a little more focused right now on the fact that the Princess just left on her first official date.
Luckily, it's with a young man we know and that she has no romantic feelings for, so I'm not too worried.
Is she 33 already?
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:13:25pm |
"nation building here at home"
/Glenn Beck just went into convulsions.
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Alexzander Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:13:37pm |
re: #18 albusteve
now he's campaigning
A little old fashioned triangulation here. It will be near impossible for the leading republicans do disagree with this.
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researchok Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:13:43pm |
re: #2 EmmmieG
Luckily, it's with a young man we know and that she has no romantic feelings for, so I'm not too worried.
Famous last words.
//
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:14:00pm |
All he's doing here is starting the drawdown of the additional "surge" troops. The actual final departure date is in 2014.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:14:33pm |
re: #21 Alexzander
A little old fashioned triangulation here. It will be near impossible for the leading republicans do disagree with this.
Heh. Wanna bet?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:14:51pm |
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Alexzander Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:14:56pm |
re: #23 Charles
All he's doing here is starting the drawdown of the additional "surge" troops. The actual final departure date is in 2014.
Canada will be out within the year I believe.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:15:23pm |
And away the pundits go. bleh.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:16:08pm |
So the much needed rest, repair and rearming of our forces can finally begin.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:16:58pm |
Did anyone but me flinch a little at "nation building at home"?
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Alexzander Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:16:59pm |
re: #24 Killgore Trout
Heh. Wanna bet?
I'm listening to Erick Erickson's radioshow right now so I'll let you know what the intial spin is.
It obviouslly cannot be:
1) Not isolationist enough!
2) We want to spend more on war in a time of financial crisis!
So it can only be something like "Obama is not protecting America."
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:17:36pm |
he may be placing his reelection chances in the hands of the taliban and their cohorts. it is a big gamble because of the timing. hopefully he has a solid plan with multiple contingencies.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:17:48pm |
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FreedomMoon Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:18:17pm |
USA! All the way! All the way back to the USA again, and it's about time. We could really use some of those resources spent abroad here at home.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:18:23pm |
Wow, short one.
So. My question is, if we've decided it's time to withdraw, shouldn't we be doing it even faster?
If the goal is 'no safe haven for terrorists,' haven't we already achieved that? Al Qaeda will never get back to the kind of open operations they had before 9/11, and since they'll already be operating undercover, a traditional military presence seems unnecessary.
Unmanned Aerial Vehicles are the weapons of the future for wars like these.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:19:36pm |
re: #35 Charles
He split the diff between his military advice and his political advice with this.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:19:45pm |
vanilla...I have no complaints as long as we get the fuck out of there
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:20:00pm |
re: #35 Charles
Wow, short one.
So. My question is, if we've decided it's time to withdraw, shouldn't we be doing it even faster?
If the goal is 'no safe haven for terrorists,' haven't we already achieved that? Al Qaeda will never get back to the kind of open operations they had before 9/11, and since they'll already be operating undercover, a traditional military presence seems unnecessary.Unmanned Aerial Vehicles are the weapons of the future for wars like these.
The military industrial complex won't allow all that $ to go that quickly.
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Idle Drifter Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:20:22pm |
re: #24 Killgore Trout
Heh. Wanna bet?
I can hear Michele Bachmann now.... sorry folks the transmission is a little incoherent. Something about a vision from God.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:20:58pm |
re: #38 Stanley Sea
The military industrial complex won't allow all that $ to go that quickly.
BO is in control of that...he's the boss
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:21:40pm |
re: #39 Idle Drifter
I can hear Michele Bachmann now... sorry folks the transmission is a little incoherent. Something about a vision from God.
Rep. Michele will get a lot more sane when we give her the launch codes.
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jaunte Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:21:46pm |
Transcript:
[Link: thecable.foreignpolicy.com...]
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Idle Drifter Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:22:15pm |
re: #35 Charles
Wow, short one.
So. My question is, if we've decided it's time to withdraw, shouldn't we be doing it even faster?
If the goal is 'no safe haven for terrorists,' haven't we already achieved that? Al Qaeda will never get back to the kind of open operations they had before 9/11, and since they'll already be operating undercover, a traditional military presence seems unnecessary.
Unmanned Aerial Vehicles are the weapons of the future for wars like these.
I'm all for smart weapons and the occasional strike team.
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blueraven Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:22:21pm |
re: #36 Rightwingconspirator
He split the diff between his military advice and his political advice with this.
Actually he is doing just what he said he would do in his West Point speech in 2009.
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sod Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:22:40pm |
re: #38 Stanley Sea
The military industrial complex won't allow all that $ to go that quickly.
From GWOT to WOCC.
War on Climate Change. A wise man once said (maybe in the last thread) that you can't solve everything with guns and explosions, but, it's worth a shot I think.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:22:52pm |
re: #34 tacuba14
USA! All the way! All the way back to the USA again, and it's about time. We could really use some of those resources spent abroad here at home.
fuck the resources....people are dying, those are my resources...I have to question your principle when you make it some business deal
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:23:00pm |
re: #38 Stanley Sea
They will be just fine.
WASHINGTON — The annual cost of replacing, repairing and upgrading Army equipment in Iraq and Afghanistan is expected to more than triple next year to more than $17 billion, according to Army documents obtained by the Associated Press.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:24:24pm |
re: #34 tacuba14
USA! All the way! All the way back to the USA again, and it's about time. We could really use some of those resources spent abroad here at home.
Resources? What resources?! It's all deficit spending. Best we could hope for is a lesser deficit. This will not free up one cent.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:26:17pm |
re: #47 Rightwingconspirator
They will be just fine.
WASHINGTON — The annual cost of replacing, repairing and upgrading Army equipment in Iraq and Afghanistan is expected to more than triple next year to more than $17 billion, according to Army documents obtained by the Associated Press.
If you run modern armor through sand for a couple hundred hours you have a million dollar repair bill. That's if no one shoots at it.
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Idle Drifter Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:26:44pm |
re: #41 Decatur Deb
Rep. Michele will get a lot more sane when we give her the launch codes.
She's not Joshua and we have no Professor Falcon.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:27:00pm |
re: #44 blueraven
Same thing. Charles #35 suggests what would be the politically expedient thing to do. He has chosen the more cautious, less self serving path. Kudos to Obama.
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FreedomMoon Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:27:03pm |
re: #48 Rightwingconspirator
Resources? What resources?! It's all deficit spending. Best we could hope for is a lesser deficit. This will not free up one cent.
Resources aren't always valued as purely monetary units, typically they refer to anything finite or limited. So people are in fact considered a resource, and I am happy that more will be kept home.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:27:44pm |
re: #52 tacuba14
That point is yours, without doubt.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:32:31pm |
Even after the surge drawdown, there will still be more than 50,000 troops in Afghanistan, by the way. This war ain't over.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:32:43pm |
re: #51 Rightwingconspirator
Same thing. Charles #35 suggests what would be the politically expedient thing to do. He has chosen the more cautious, less self serving path. Kudos to Obama.
I agree with Charles, or maybe he agrees with me....let the drones and kill teams stay, everybody else takes the bus home
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Mocking Jay Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:33:32pm |
What's that saying about policy that no one likes...?
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:34:13pm |
re: #54 Charles
Even after the surge drawdown, there will still be more than 50,000 troops in Afghanistan, by the way. This war ain't over.
time to play defense until the clock runs out...and we better be damned good at it
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:34:28pm |
re: #35 Charles
Wow, short one.
So. My question is, if we've decided it's time to withdraw, shouldn't we be doing it even faster?
If the goal is 'no safe haven for terrorists,' haven't we already achieved that? Al Qaeda will never get back to the kind of open operations they had before 9/11, and since they'll already be operating undercover, a traditional military presence seems unnecessary.
Unmanned Aerial Vehicles are the weapons of the future for wars like these.
A couple of items from the article I linked:
Though initial estimates look to be modest, many Afghans are greeting the news of US withdrawal with a mix of joy and concern.
"People are happy when they hear that the foreigners are preparing to leave. All the security problems are because of them. If they leave, who will Al Qaeda and the Taliban say they are fighting against?" says Shah Wali, a money exchanger in Kabul. "Personally, I think they should not leave too fast. They should do it step by step."
and
Although Fakhria Latifi, who works on a USAID-funded project, would like foreign forces to leave her country, she says they must not do so until they've created a situation that can provide lasting stability. Otherwise, she worries that the Taliban or other extremist groups could regain control of the country.
"My main concern is that if the foreigners go and the Taliban come back, how will it affect women? They will not have access to schooling and jobs," she says, adding that 2020 would be a better date for the final withdrawal rather than 2014. "My other concern is how long will we depend on the foreigners."
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celticdragon Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:36:20pm |
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celticdragon Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:39:10pm |
re: #43 Idle Drifter
I'm all for smart weapons and the occasional strike team.
Put them together and you have a Cyberdine Systems Model 101 Terminator.
I want mine armed with a phased plasma pulse rifle in the 40 watt range.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:40:22pm |
So now that Afghanistan's done, can we throw more into the war for Planned Parenthood...?
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austin_blue Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:42:35pm |
The alternative is to stay there forevah, which is simply unacceptable.
Let the strongest warlord win.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:43:54pm |
re: #62 austin_blue
The alternative is to stay there forevah, which is simply unacceptable.
Let the strongest warlord win.
I see a reality tv show forming out of this...
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:44:37pm |
re: #61 JasonA
So now that Afghanistan's done, can we throw more into the war for Planned Parenthood...?
I don't see where Afghanistan is part of some joke...to make light of our people getting killed there is pretty cold...if it's that important to express your towering humor, find another subject
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Mocking Jay Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:45:56pm |
re: #64 albusteve
I don't see where Afghanistan is part of some joke...to make light of our people getting killed there is pretty cold...if it's that important to express your towering humor, find another subject
Bite me.
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engineer cat Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:46:44pm |
nation building at home
or just move all our unemployed people to afghanistan and claim that we need to keep them from being susceptible to al quaida and the taliban
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Mocking Jay Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:47:41pm |
re: #66 engineer dog
nation building at home
or just move all our unemployed people to afghanistan and claim that we need to keep them from being susceptible to al quaida and the taliban
Stop joking or Stevie'll get really mad at you, bro. I mean it!
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:48:18pm |
re: #62 austin_blue
The alternative is to stay there forevah, which is simply unacceptable.
Let the strongest warlord win.
the Taliban hate coming down from the high country to fight, that's where we kill them...they are mountain people by heritage, they love their cliffs and hanging valleys and nothing will ever take that from them...there will be civil war and the Afghan govt will fall...from there who knows...but Karzai is very much hated by the Talis for allowing foreign intervention and they will get their revenge...bet on it
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justaminute Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:48:39pm |
We are never going to really leave Iraq or Afghanistan due to Iran and Pakistan.
Something funny my husband heard from Iran:
Husband's cousin owns a travel agency in Iran. The number one destination for the average Iranian is Iraq. It's so popular that they have prepared brochures for travel to Iraq but the drawback for travel there was security. But they have solved that. In the brochures it a whole paragraph telling how security if provided by The United States Military!
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Idle Drifter Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:48:46pm |
re: #60 celticdragon
Put them together and you have a Cyberdine Systems Model 101 Terminator.
I want mine armed with a phased plasma pulse rifle in the 40 watt range.
That or Starship Troopers. I'm a thirty second bomb! I'm a thirty second bomb!
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:49:20pm |
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austin_blue Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:49:20pm |
re: #63 JasonA
I see a reality tv show forming out of this...
It's all tribes. We never figured it out in Iraq until we started throwing money at the Sunnis to stimulate "The Awakening". That worked pretty well. It'll be the same in Afghanistan. Maintain a strike presence with drones and fast-reaction teams and see if we can knit together a coalition that can rule that poor benighted failed state.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:50:30pm |
re: #71 albusteve
I don't need to...you bite yourself
o.O
Okay, now you're not even making sense anymore.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:53:09pm |
re: #73 JasonA
o.O
Okay, now you're not even making sense anymore.
don't understand your own snark?...figures
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Jun 22, 2011 5:59:30pm |
O/T-But doing some medicare proposal reading.
Who the heck is the sixty plus dot org? Conservative seniors or a front?
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:00:54pm |
re: #72 austin_blue
It's all tribes. We never figured it out in Iraq until we started throwing money at the Sunnis to stimulate "The Awakening". That worked pretty well. It'll be the same in Afghanistan. Maintain a strike presence with drones and fast-reaction teams and see if we can knit together a coalition that can rule that poor benighted failed state.
Ultimately it's going to have to be the Afghans who decide what kind of society they live in, because the people living there are the only ones who can make that happen permanently.
But I always thought the purpose of going to Afghanistan was 1) killing/capturing Osama bin Laden, and 2) making sure terrorists could not establish a base there again.
If those objectives have been accomplished, there's no need to have 80-100,000 troops and spend the incredible amounts of money it takes to keep them there.
Ten Years After.
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engineer cat Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:01:03pm |
Presnobama Deeply Concerned About Rogue States Run By Religious Fanatics
will send troops to alabama, utah, michigan and florida
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recusancy Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:01:03pm |
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Mocking Jay Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:02:30pm |
re: #77 engineer dog
Presnobama Deeply Concerned About Rogue States Run By Religious Fanatics
will send troops to alabama, utah, michigan and florida
Was that a tweet?
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:04:27pm |
re: #77 engineer dog
Presnobama Deeply Concerned About Rogue States Run By Religious Fanatics
will send troops to alabama, utah, michigan and florida
You forgot Texas.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:05:33pm |
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:06:08pm |
re: #75 Rightwingconspirator
O/T-But doing some medicare proposal reading.
Who the heck is the sixty plus dot org? Conservative seniors or a front?
From Sourcewatch:
However, a February, 2003 report in the AARP Bulletin called 60 Plus a front group for the pharmaceutical industry. The author, Bill Hogan, wrote that 60 Plus, along with Senior Coalition and United Seniors Association, "claim to speak for millions of older Americans, although as recently as 2001 none of the three listed any revenue from membership dues on their tax returns." The article added: "virtually all of their largest contributions in recent years have come from the same source -- the nation's pharmaceutical industry."
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:06:27pm |
re: #8 Alexzander
Where the hell is everyone? Been super
One of those chairs is probably more valuable than all of my possessions combined.
But if you swapped, you'd be stuck with a really tacky chair.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:08:06pm |
re: #76 Charles
I think Pakistan is the fly in the ointment. Afghanistan can't/won't be stable if Pakistan is providing safe haven and support for terrorists. I think the Bin Laden raid demonstrated that we might have a working and sustainable intelligence presence established in Pakistan which raises the hopes of a troop draw down in Afghanistan. Our troops are kind of in the wrong country at the moment but I suppose the Pakistan problem is a little more nuanced.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:08:52pm |
re: #81 JasonA
The Governor there is a bit of a jackass. Think Governor Walker of Wisconsin.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:09:42pm |
re: #84 Killgore Trout
I say we force them into one country. I call it Pakghanistan.
/
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:10:19pm |
re: #84 Killgore Trout
I think Pakistan is the fly in the ointment. Afghanistan can't/won't be stable if Pakistan is providing safe haven and support for terrorists. I think the Bin Laden raid demonstrated that we might have a working and sustainable intelligence presence established in Pakistan which raises the hopes of a troop draw down in Afghanistan. Our troops are kind of in the wrong country at the moment but I suppose the Pakistan problem is a little more nuanced.
you have to nuance nukes...you are entirely right...
but I'm absolutely sure the US has a plan for Pakistani nukes if it comes to liquidation
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:11:57pm |
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:12:02pm |
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:12:08pm |
re: #86 okiefrommuskogie
'Afternoon folks!
OK, Alaska Kim.
I'm unblocking your latest account because it's obvious that you really miss posting comments here. But you're stuck with that name now.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:12:38pm |
re: #88 albusteve
you have to nuance nukes...you are entirely right...
but I'm absolutely sure the US has a plan for Pakistani nukes if it comes to liquidation
Yes,, it's called Indias' Nukes
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:12:53pm |
re: #91 Charles
OK, Alaska Kim.
I'm unblocking your latest account because it's obvious that you really miss posting comments here. But you're stuck with that name now.
LOL
oh man...
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:13:06pm |
re: #91 Charles
OK, Alaska Kim.
I'm unblocking your latest account because it's obvious that you really miss posting comments here. But you're stuck with that name now.
The unkindest cut of them all!
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researchok Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:13:47pm |
The Russians were in Afghanistan for almost 10 years before they pulled out entirely.
Just a thought.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:14:18pm |
re: #92 sattv4u2
Yes,, it's called Indias' Nukes
no, we will call off the Indians and deal with it ourselves...we will have to....too many trigger happy freaks in that area
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:14:22pm |
re: #88 albusteve
you have to nuance nukes...you are entirely right...
but I'm absolutely sure the US has a plan for Pakistani nukes if it comes to liquidation
I suspect we are working at stacking the deck to determine the future of Pakistan. Out withdrawal from Pakistan is probably timed to coincide with whatever whatever "fixes' we've planted in Pakistan. Hopefully this will curry favor with India.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:15:28pm |
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:15:44pm |
re: #95 researchok
The Russians were in Afghanistan for almost 10 years before they pulled out entirely.
Just a thought.
what the mountain people did was humble even the Soviets...those people are the Taliban...but you knew that, it's where it all started
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:17:56pm |
re: #97 Killgore Trout
I suspect we are working at stacking the deck to determine the future of Pakistan. Out withdrawal from Pakistan is probably timed to coincide with whatever whatever "fixes' we've planted in Pakistan. Hopefully this will curry favor with India.
India will do what we tell them...just the way it is, they can absolutely play no role in the demolition of Paki nukes...it will be our gig alone if it comes to that
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researchok Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:19:18pm |
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okiefrommuskogie Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:19:27pm |
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researchok Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:20:21pm |
re: #103 okiefrommuskogie
damn, do you have the CIA watching me or something?!
ok, i'll be nice.
Better than the CIA.
Men in Green
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:21:01pm |
re: #86 okiefrommuskogie
'Afternoon folks!
You misspelled Muskogee, Kim. I thought you said you were from Texas? I wonder if there's anything about you that isn't fake.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:22:03pm |
re: #84 Killgore Trout
Pakistan has delusions of grandeur. They are trying to create a little buffer zone for themselves between them and Iran. Combine that with the fact that Pakistan has been under Afghani rule at various points, and that Afghanistan for a long time had been more powerful than anything in Pakistan, and you not only have paranoia (because of India and Iran), but also a want to stick to a now much weaker neighbor.
Most people don't know that the Taliban cut down power poles and sold the metal to Pakistan when they were in power. That says volumes. Pakistan may just want to humiliate those living in Afghanistan.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:22:06pm |
re: #88 albusteve
you have to nuance nukes...you are entirely right...
but I'm absolutely sure the US has a plan for Pakistani nukes if it comes to liquidation
We always have plans. How well they go is the tricky part especially with nukes. As I said once before I think it unlikely we know where they all are and could just up and seize them. Or be sure to wreck them all.
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okiefrommuskogie Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:22:09pm |
re: #105 goddamnedfrank
I am from TX, but lived in OK for many years. Durant, to be specific.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:22:11pm |
re: #103 okiefrommuskogie
damn, do you have the CIA watching me or something?!
ok, i'll be nice.
if you were Alaska Kim, you get nothing but scorn from me....sneaking around is for punks...so were you?...I defended you and Charles is a fair guy...why the deceit?
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Mocking Jay Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:25:27pm |
Tim Pawlenty is concerned about the President's speech.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:25:58pm |
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:26:17pm |
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:26:51pm |
re: #107 Rightwingconspirator
We always have plans. How well they go is the tricky part especially with nukes. As I said once before I think it unlikely we know where they all are and could just up and seize them. Or be sure to wreck them all.
We have agreements to assist the Pakistanis in maintaining custody of their nukes, perhaps including the provision of US Permissible Action Links. There is some concern that there might be a small number of nukes outside their 'declared' arsenal. Check Globalsecurity.org, I'm too tired to find it again.
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:27:23pm |
re: #114 albusteve
read the post...
were you AlaskaKim or not?
I think that has already been indirectly admitted.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:28:09pm |
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okiefrommuskogie Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:29:15pm |
Yes, I am and was Alaska Kim. Charles nailed me...
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:30:18pm |
re: #118 okiefrommuskogie
Yes, I am and was Alaska Kim. Charles nailed me...
Why do you want to come back?
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lawhawk Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:31:27pm |
re: #76 Charles
But that's just it. Obama has pretty much said that we still need to keep 70,000 troops there for the foreseeable future, but his surge of 30,000 troops is coming to a close. We're going to maintain a presence there - in part to deal with the situation next door - the frontier provinces (Waziristan, NWFP, etc., where the Taliban and al Qaeda regroup, rearm, and wage war from).
This is a low intensity conflict, but it's one that needs to maintain some form of presence to deny the Taliban the ability from not only regaining ground, but then giving aid and comfort to al Qaeda, just as they had done pre-9/11.
Efforts to divide and conquer various Taliban groups may help in that regard, but boots on the ground will be necessary not only to gather intel, but to deny Taliban space to operate.
So - point 1 was accomplished, but point 2 is still an open question.
If the Afghan govt can stand on its own then the US could further reduce troops levels. But that would mean that Pakistan has stopped meddling, the frontier provinces have been neutralized as a threat, and the Afghans realize that it is in their interest to deny both Taliban and foreign fights shelter and comfort.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:32:31pm |
re: #118 okiefrommuskogie
Yes, I am and was Alaska Kim. Charles nailed me...
so you didn't have the guts to appeal your case to CJ...you want to sneak over and be somebody here...why?...you trashed the very people that stuck up for you...so who do you think you are this time?...I'm on my last legs here and if you want trouble, I'm your guy
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okiefrommuskogie Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:32:43pm |
let me make myself completely transparent here... i am very conservative, i was raised that way with traditional values and morals. i may not have come across as the nicest person here, but i'm always on the defensive when i have a different opinion than the flock here. maybe for once you guys can TRY and see things from my point of view rather than attack what i have to say...
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:33:27pm |
Off topic: Went to the gun shop yesterday, saw a nice old M-1903a3 too pretty to pass up, the collection grows.
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okiefrommuskogie Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:33:56pm |
re: #121 albusteve
I DID send CJ emails after he banned me, he didn't answer. I think he knows that.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:34:28pm |
re: #122 okiefrommuskogie
Don't play the "victim"
I usually have a different opinion here than (your word) the flock, but I don't do it in an offensive way
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:35:26pm |
re: #122 okiefrommuskogie
let me make myself completely transparent here... i am very conservative, i was raised that way with traditional values and morals. i may not have come across as the nicest person here, but i'm always on the defensive when i have a different opinion than the flock here. maybe for once you guys can TRY and see things from my point of view rather than attack what i have to say...
wrong...your approach failed then and it will now...instead of telling me your sob story, why don't you try an apology first
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:35:54pm |
re: #125 sattv4u2
Don't play the "victim"
I usually have a different opinion here than (your word) the flock, but I don't do it in an offensive way
Ditto, at least I try.
And I just keep quiet when I know there's no way to get my point across without aggravating a lot of folks . . .
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engineer cat Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:36:02pm |
re: #122 okiefrommuskogie
do you believe in salvation by faith alone or do you admit the possibility of the value of good deeds?
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:36:54pm |
re: #122 okiefrommuskogie
let me make myself completely transparent here... i am very conservative, i was raised that way with traditional values and morals. i may not have come across as the nicest person here, but i'm always on the defensive when i have a different opinion than the flock here. maybe for once you guys can TRY and see things from my point of view rather than attack what i have to say...
I used to be a fig tree.
I got better.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:36:59pm |
re: #123 goddamnedfrank
Off topic: Went to the gun shop yesterday, saw a nice old M-1903a3 too pretty to pass up, the collection grows.
oh man...
I'm happy for you...
I just want a vintage 1911, and can't do it now
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:37:11pm |
re: #127 reine.de.tout
Ditto, at least I try.
And I just keep quiet when I know there's no way to get my point across without aggravating a lot of folks . . .
Well, you'll never make the "Bottom Comments" that way.:)
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:38:06pm |
re: #131 Cannadian Club Akbar
Well, you'll never make the "Bottom Comments" that way.:)
Oh, I've hit the bottom comments a couple of times.
But I've never swept the field . . .
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okiefrommuskogie Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:38:18pm |
re: #128 engineer dog
anyone and everyone does good deeds.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:39:22pm |
re: #132 reine.de.tout
Oh, I've hit the bottom comments a couple of times.
But I've never swept the field . . .
I'm holding a seminar the 2nd....I can fix that problem but you need to pay the tuition first
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Mocking Jay Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:39:25pm |
re: #125 sattv4u2
Don't play the "victim"
I usually have a different opinion here than (your word) the flock, but I don't do it in an offensive way
I find your bad jokes incredibly offensive!!11!
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jaunte Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:39:52pm |
re: #129 goddamnedfrank
I played an Christmas tree once. Unflocked.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:40:03pm |
re: #135 JasonA
I find your bad jokes incredibly offensive!!11!
you forgot ,,,,,, to insert ,,,, the commas.
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engineer cat Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:40:05pm |
re: #133 okiefrommuskogie
anyone and everyone does good deeds.
but do you believe in the spiritual value of good deeds or do you think that salvation is only obtained by faith in jesus christ?
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God of Binders with Women Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:40:24pm |
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researchok Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:40:37pm |
re: #122 okiefrommuskogie
let me make myself completely transparent here... i am very conservative, i was raised that way with traditional values and morals. i may not have come across as the nicest person here, but i'm always on the defensive when i have a different opinion than the flock here. maybe for once you guys can TRY and see things from my point of view rather than attack what i have to say...
I'm far closer to being a real conservative. Real conservative value independent thinking and better ideas
You're way too dogmatic to be a conservative. For you, it's all about the (current) party line and the accompanying crowds.
Pseudo conservatives have tossed George Bush into the scrapheap. Barry Goldwater is probably anathema to you because of his support of gay rights (real conservatives can change their minds when a better idea comes around) and you probably abhor Romney because he acknowledges AGW.
No, you are nothing like a real conservative at all.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:40:44pm |
re: #122 okiefrommuskogie
I lost patience for people like you. All I've ever seen those who have "Traditional Morals and Values" do is bash others such as those who are gay. I have no reason to show kindness to those who would want to hurt others with things such as Gay Marriage bans.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:41:07pm |
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:41:35pm |
Here is a .pdf of a paper from the Air War College:
Anticipating Failure: US Options in Preparing for A Rogue Pakistan
People are always thinking about these things.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:42:43pm |
re: #143 Decatur Deb
Here is a .pdf of a paper from the Air War College:
Anticipating Failure: US Options in Preparing for A Rogue Pakistan
People are always thinking about these things.
You didn't make it a link.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:42:48pm |
re: #143 Decatur Deb
Here is a .pdf of a paper from the Air War College:
Anticipating Failure: US Options in Preparing for A Rogue Pakistan
People are always thinking about these things.
And here's the actual link--like I said, tired.
[Link: www.google.com...]
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blueraven Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:42:59pm |
re: #51 Rightwingconspirator
Same thing. Charles #35 suggests what would be the politically expedient thing to do. He has chosen the more cautious, less self serving path. Kudos to Obama.
Well, good people can agree or disagree with him about this, but he is not just splitting some political/military advice. He is following the strategy that was laid out 18 months ago.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:44:32pm |
re: #130 albusteve
oh man...
I'm happy for you...
I just want a vintage 1911, and can't do it now
I saw an absolutely gorgeous 1911 today at our other gun shop, 1941-42 serial number, but it had been blued instead of retaining the original WWII olive green parkerizing. I was/am tempted, the price is right because the bluing means it's no longer correct.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:44:39pm |
re: #141 ProLifeLiberal
All I've ever seen those who have "Traditional Morals and Values" do is bash others such as those who are gay.
You've seen me do that?
Wow ,, I did not know that about myself!
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God of Binders with Women Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:44:54pm |
re: #140 researchok
"I can't see any way in the world that being a gay can cause damage to somebody else.” -Barry Goldwater
Shit. If Goldwater said this today, the Right would call him a Marxist, atheist, America hater.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:45:13pm |
re: #146 blueraven
Well, good people can agree or disagree with him about this, but he is not just splitting some political/military advice. He is following the strategy that was laid out 18 months ago.
a poor strategy at that...I want to know what gains with Karzai have been made...what are the Tali negotiations all about...I could have said what BO did and sound presidential
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:45:19pm |
re: #127 reine.de.tout
Ditto, at least I try.
And I just keep quiet when I know there's no way to get my point across without aggravating a lot of folks . . .
You know reine, you are more likely than anyone else here to be heard when your views run counter to the consensus. We lefties do get a tad acerbic when confronting ideas we disagree with, but we (I) tend to give some righties (mostly you) here more consideration than the norm.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:45:33pm |
re: #148 sattv4u2
All I've ever seen those who have "Traditional Morals and Values" do is bash others such as those who are gay.
You've seen me do that?
Wow ,, I did not know that about myself!
Didn't know that about myself, either.
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darthstar Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:45:54pm |
Long fucking day...I want a drink. I suppose I ought to finish the one I have now first though.
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:46:42pm |
re: #129 goddamnedfrank
I used to be a fig tree.
I got better.
Frank, you're still a fig tree.
When we told you you were OK, we just didn't want to hurt your feelings.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:46:46pm |
re: #153 darthstar
Long fucking day...I want a drink. I suppose I ought to finish the one I have now first though.
You're letting me down.
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researchok Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:46:53pm |
re: #149 Kid A
"I can't see any way in the world that being a gay can cause damage to somebody else.” -Barry Goldwater
Shit. If Goldwater said this today, the Right would call him a Marxist, atheist, America hater.
Or, disown him.
Which is pretty much what these phony pseudo conservatives did.
Buckley must be rolling in his grave.
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okiefrommuskogie Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:47:05pm |
re: #138 engineer dog
I can't see things through Jesus' eyes. I have a 22 yr old son who just had a close friend commit suicide. I had a very hard time dealing with that because I always thought that committing suicide was an unforgivable sin. But does God really punish those who are in so much pain and turmoil in their lives that they see no way out but to end their life? I don't think so. But I don't know. I tend to believe that eternallife is gained by believing and accepting Jesus, but do good deeds count the same? I can't answer that.
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Kronocide Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:47:40pm |
I can't see how being gay causes any damage, internally or externally.
And to further elaborate: working at a client's house, has a pic of him and Obama, both playing with client's toddler. Toddler is trying to stick his hand in Obama's mouth.
So I guess I'm going to vote for him now that he does actually play with kids, drink Guiness, and tequila. And he killed a terrorist.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:47:44pm |
I have a page up about issues with NATO's strategy in Libya.
Intervention by committee is a bad idea.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:47:45pm |
re: #152 reine.de.tout
Didn't know that about myself, either.
Guess "ProLife" either
A) doesn't think we think that way
or
B) has evidence of us "bashing gays"
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:48:27pm |
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researchok Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:48:38pm |
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:48:46pm |
re: #138 engineer dog
but do you believe in the spiritual value of good deeds or do you think that salvation is only obtained by faith in jesus christ?
Money talks.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:49:12pm |
re: #151 b_sharp
You know reine, you are more likely than anyone else here to be heard when your views run counter to the consensus. We lefties do get a tad acerbic when confronting ideas we disagree with, but we (I) tend to give some righties (mostly you) here more consideration than the norm.
{{b-sharp}}
Yes, most folks here have been mostly patient with me and it's greatly appreciated.
I do try to make clear when something I say is my opinion or my belief as to what/how things are, rather than something I think should be imposed as absolute truth-for-everyone.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:49:56pm |
re: #155 b_sharp
Frank, you're still a fig tree.
When we told you you were OK, we just didn't want to hurt your feelings.
Sorry - I really am ROFL at this.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:50:38pm |
re: #147 goddamnedfrank
I saw an absolutely gorgeous 1911 today at our other gun shop, 1941-42 serial number, but it had been blued instead of retaining the original WWII olive green parkerizing. I was/am tempted, the price is right because the bluing means it's no longer correct.
I'm no expert...I had a 1943 Colt, serial numbers proved the make and model...beat up but all in excellent condition...I instantly fell in love with it...$800 and I missed it
| 170 |
Mocking Jay Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:50:41pm |
Heh. Perry's practically daring the TSA to stop air-traffic in Texas.
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:51:05pm |
re: #148 sattv4u2
All I've ever seen those who have "Traditional Morals and Values" do is bash others such as those who are gay.
You've seen me do that?
Wow ,, I did not know that about myself!
Satt, I hate to break it to you, but you ain't traditional. You lean socially left a bit. Just a bit.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:51:16pm |
re: #148 sattv4u2
When someone describes themselves as that, that is the image I have gotten. So many time in COS and Oklahoma, I have seen someone say how they are these things, then proceed to gay-bash, among other things.
I've been colored by these experiences. When I hear anyone describe themselves as such, I get a negative few. No need to advertise your morality. Just act towards others as you want others to treat you.
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jaunte Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:51:36pm |
re: #167 reine.de.tout
I do try to make clear when something I say is my opinion or my belief as to what/how things are, rather than something I think should be imposed as absolute truth-for-everyone.
This is what i think of as true conservatism, not the interfering busybody stuff that's been going around.
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engineer cat Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:52:15pm |
re: #158 okiefrommuskogie
I can't see things through Jesus' eyes. I have a 22 yr old son who just had a close friend commit suicide. I had a very hard time dealing with that because I always thought that committing suicide was an unforgivable sin. But does God really punish those who are in so much pain and turmoil in their lives that they see no way out but to end their life? I don't think so. But I don't know. I tend to believe that eternallife is gained by believing and accepting Jesus, but do good deeds count the same? I can't answer that.
where i come from, doing unto others as you would have them do unto you are what are considered 'traditional values'
("the rest is commentary")
i'm just trying to figure out what you think your 'traditional values' are and why you would seem to think that being raised with them, whatever they might turn out to be, makes you different than other people here
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God of Binders with Women Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:52:17pm |
re: #157 researchok
Or, disown him.
Which is pretty much what these phony pseudo conservatives did.
Buckley must be rolling in his grave.
Goldwater's vote against the CRA in 1964 will probably never be forgiven. The cynic in me can't buy his stance on "things that were inserted in to the bill." Other than that, if we had a candidate like Barry today that actually preached the leaner government, no religion in the public square, and left the gays alone he/she would probably get my support.
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darthstar Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:52:26pm |
re: #170 JasonA
Heh. Perry's practically daring the TSA to stop air-traffic in Texas.
They should...just for a week or two. Let's see how Texas reacts. It should be fun. No commercial flights out of Texas. Everyone has to take the bus to Oklahoma or Louisiana to fly out.
My guess is it would probably not go over well with a few business travelers.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:52:37pm |
re: #172 ProLifeLiberal
When someone describes themselves as that, that is the image I have gotten. So many time in COS and Oklahoma, I have seen someone say how they are these things, then proceed to gay-bash, among other things.
I've been colored by these experiences. When I hear anyone describe themselves as such, I get a negative view. No need to advertise your morality. Just act towards others as you want others to treat you.
Google Chrome needs to have a grammar checker.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:53:30pm |
re: #158 okiefrommuskogie
I can't see things through Jesus' eyes. I have a 22 yr old son who just had a close friend commit suicide. I had a very hard time dealing with that because I always thought that committing suicide was an unforgivable sin. But does God really punish those who are in so much pain and turmoil in their lives that they see no way out but to end their life? I don't think so. But I don't know. I tend to believe that eternallife is gained by believing and accepting Jesus, but do good deeds count the same? I can't answer that.
I'm sure you did have a difficult time with your son's friend's suicide.
But I don't believe God punishes those who are too young, or too mentally disturbed, to be able to fully think through their actions - and surely this applies to those who are suicidal.
For a long time the Catholic Church would not bury someone in a Catholic cemetery if the person had committed suicide. That is no longer the case; the reasoning is that people who are in such pain and turmoil, as you described it, perhaps cannot be held fully accountable for their actions.
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:53:42pm |
re: #159 jaunte
And, we need the figs.
I don't know about the figs, but my wardrobe needs the leaves.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:53:56pm |
re: #176 darthstar
They should...just for a week or two. Let's see how Texas reacts. It should be fun. No commercial flights out of Texas. Everyone has to take the bus to Oklahoma or Louisiana to fly out.
My guess is it would probably not go over well with a few business travelers.
Well, Perry has to get that bill through first. Then all bets are off.l
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:53:57pm |
re: #158 okiefrommuskogie
I can't see things through Jesus' eyes. I have a 22 yr old son who just had a close friend commit suicide. I had a very hard time dealing with that because I always thought that committing suicide was an unforgivable sin. But does God really punish those who are in so much pain and turmoil in their lives that they see no way out but to end their life? I don't think so. But I don't know. I tend to believe that eternallife is gained by believing and accepting Jesus, but do good deeds count the same? I can't answer that.
I can...drop the god stuff and look for a troubled child
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:54:02pm |
re: #171 b_sharp
Satt, I hate to break it to you, but you ain't traditional. You lean socially left a bit. Just a bit.
Oh, GAH!
OMG!
THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT WILL COME TO AN END!11,,,,,,,,1!
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researchok Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:54:59pm |
re: #175 Kid A
Goldwater's vote against the CRA in 1964 will probably never be forgiven. The cynic in me can't buy his stance on "things that were inserted in to the bill." Other than that, if we had a candidate like Barry today that actually preached the leaner government, no religion in the public square, and left the gays alone he/she would probably get my support.
In a lot of ways he really was ahead of his time.
As for the CRA, he was in good company. Lots of politicians on both sides of the aisle went AWOL on that.
Ah, politics.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:55:13pm |
re: #171 b_sharp
Satt, I hate to break it to you, but you ain't traditional. You lean socially left a bit. Just a bit.
It shows?
I KNEW I should have worn baggier pants!!
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:55:43pm |
re: #134 albusteve
I'm holding a seminar the 2nd...I can fix that problem but you need to pay the tuition first
LOL.
That would be - interesting.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:56:32pm |
re: #185 sattv4u2
Sorry about being accusatory. I was trying to direct at AlaskaKim.
I'll try and be a less reactionary in the future.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Jun 22, 2011 6:59:35pm |
re: #174 engineer dog
where i come from, doing unto others as you would have them do unto you are what are considered 'traditional values'
("the rest is commentary")
i'm just trying to figure out what you think your 'traditional values' are and why you would seem to think that being raised with them, whatever they might turn out to be, makes you different than other people here
Thank you for responding to Alaska Kim's comment. I typed a few, but didn't hit post.
It's when this religiosity combines with the stark partisanship (many times shown in the past, ie. supporting the wingnuts) freaks me OUT.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:00:40pm |
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:00:54pm |
re: #182 albusteve
I can...drop the god stuff and look for a troubled child
And for human's sake, help the child.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:01:51pm |
re: #187 ProLifeLiberal
Sorry about being accusatory. I was trying to direct at AlaskaKim.
I'll try and be a less reactionary in the future.
Then direct it At the person you intend it for
All night you've been broad brushing.
You have a problem with Kim,, deal with kim
You have problem with some southerners? deal with them (not ALL)
You have a problem with some who profess Traditional Morals and Values? Deal with them
And guess what
I have a problem with SOME of all of the above!
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:02:44pm |
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prairiefire Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:03:54pm |
re: #160 BigPapa
I can't see how being gay causes any damage, internally or externally.
And to further elaborate: working at a client's house, has a pic of him and Obama, both playing with client's toddler. Toddler is trying to stick his hand in Obama's mouth.
So I guess I'm going to vote for him now that he does actually play with kids, drink Guiness, and tequila. And he killed a terrorist.
{{BigPapa}}
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:04:23pm |
re: #169 albusteve
I'm no expert...I had a 1943 Colt, serial numbers proved the make and model...beat up but all in excellent condition...I instantly fell in love with it...$800 and I missed it
Beat up is good, people who want a perfect pretty gun should buy new. Half the reason that vintage arms are so expensive now is because people try to pretty them up, refinishing or restocking/sporterizing them, instantly ruining the value of their gun and driving up the cost of those few that remain correct.
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okiefrommuskogie Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:04:48pm |
re: #179 reine.de.tout
I tend to believe that as well. And it happens to SO many kids here in Alaska.
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engineer cat Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:06:04pm |
re: #191 sattv4u2
You have a problem with some who profess Traditional Morals and Values? Deal with them
i am kind of interested in the question: traditional morals and values - what are they?
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:06:35pm |
re: #198 engineer dog
i am kind of interested in the question: traditional morals and values - what are they?
Rum, sodomy, and the lash.
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Digital Display Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:06:51pm |
re: #197 okiefrommuskogie
I tend to believe that as well. And it happens to SO many kids here in Alaska.
I saw a show on that today.. Tragic
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prairiefire Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:07:14pm |
re: #160 BigPapa
We just had a big Hawaiian wedding in the family. We didn't get to go, but we heard it was a lavish affair in Kona.
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okiefrommuskogie Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:07:36pm |
re: #182 albusteve
You have absolutely NO idea what I do for children here who have troubled lives.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:08:29pm |
re: #196 goddamnedfrank
Beat up is good, people who want a perfect pretty gun should buy new. Half the reason that vintage arms are so expensive now is because people try to pretty them up, refinishing or restocking/sporterizing them, instantly ruining the value of their gun and driving up the cost of those few that remain correct.
the time will come when I can get one...I'll remember to be smart about it
thanks
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:08:32pm |
re: #198 engineer dog
i am kind of interested in the question: traditional morals and values - what are they?
The parts of Leviticus that are don't conflict with a multi-fiber wearing, pork eating, heterosexual lifestyle.
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engineer cat Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:09:25pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:09:25pm |
re: #198 engineer dog
i am kind of interested in the question: traditional morals and values - what are they?
Not what we are engaged in?
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:09:33pm |
re: #202 okiefrommuskogie
You have absolutely NO idea what I do for children here who have troubled lives.
you're right...I just respond to your posts...
but I think that gig is closed now
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jaunte Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:10:02pm |
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okiefrommuskogie Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:10:36pm |
re: #198 engineer dog
i've already explained that, and defended it, and it got me banned.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:10:42pm |
re: #198 engineer dog
i am kind of interested in the question: traditional morals and values - what are they?
A tad different for everyone, from what I can tell
For me, little things like don't wear a F*** YOU t-shirt if you're out in public at (lets say) McDonalds. You know there are going to be little kids there
If you see an older person walking into a store, take a half a minute and hold the door
Preferably a two parent home (not mandatory though ,, circumstances happen)
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:10:42pm |
re: #205 engineer dog
church of the pirate alphabet?
Churchill's response to an admiral boasting of the values of the Royal Navy, IIRC.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:10:45pm |
re: #82 goddamnedfrank
Thanks, and I'll bookmark sourcewatch.
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engineer cat Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:11:44pm |
re: #211 Decatur Deb
Churchill's response to an admiral boasting of the values of the Royal Navy, IIRC.
cool!
:-)
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jaunte Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:12:23pm |
News: One of my girls (previously mentioned as the Armydaughter) had a son today, 2 months premature, all the way out in El Paso. Everyone is doing fine.
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:12:34pm |
re: #198 engineer dog
i am kind of interested in the question: traditional morals and values - what are they?
Values claimed absolute but in reality relative to the vision of a better time long gone.
I know that isn't the answer you were looking for, but despite the attempts to 'fix' morals in our society through religion, they are a constantly moving interpretation based on what people want to remember of better times, even if the better times weren't really better.
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okiefrommuskogie Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:12:55pm |
re: #207 albusteve
ok. you've said that 17 times now.
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researchok Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:13:03pm |
re: #204 goddamnedfrank
The parts of Leviticus that are don't conflict with a multi-fiber wearing, pork eating, heterosexual lifestyle.
I could care less about the multi-fiber wearing, pork eating and all the other stuff that God asks of us. Those choices are between believers and the deity.
I do care about the stuff between man and his fellow man. I believe it is our job to live in peace and harmony. I'll let God worry about how He decides to deal with stuff.
After all, that is His job description.
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engineer cat Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:13:21pm |
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:13:26pm |
re: #122 okiefrommuskogie
What a coincidence, I have traditional morals and values too.
Though mine are selected from the traditions of a diverse collection of historical and modern cultures from around the world.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:13:51pm |
re: #218 researchok
I could care less about the multi-fiber wearing, pork eating and all the other stuff that God asks of us. Those choices are between believers and the deity.
I do care about the stuff between man and his fellow man. I believe it is our job to live in peace and harmony. I'll let God worry about how He decides to deal with stuff.
After all, that is His job description.
Eggz-ackly.
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jaunte Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:14:59pm |
re: #222 b_sharp
I'll have you know I have been called half a wit before.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:16:50pm |
re: #218 researchok
I could care less about the multi-fiber wearing, pork eating and all the other stuff that God asks of us. Those choices are between believers and the deity.
I do care about the stuff between man and his fellow man. I believe it is our job to live in peace and harmony. I'll let God worry about how He decides to deal with stuff.
After all, that is His job description.
Dude does seem to be pretty clear on this point:
And the King shall answer and say to them, Truly I say to you, Inasmuch as you have done it to one of the least of these my brothers, you have done it to me.
-Matthew 25:40
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engineer cat Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:17:14pm |
re: #216 b_sharp
Values claimed absolute but in reality relative to the vision of a better time long gone.
I know that isn't the answer you were looking for, but despite the attempts to 'fix' morals in our society through religion, they are a constantly moving interpretation based on what people want to remember of better times, even if the better times weren't really better.
i also think that it is interesting that it is possible to wield certain phrases that seem to have great conjuring power, yet many who do seem unable or at least unwilling to explain what they mean by them
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darthstar Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:18:05pm |
re: #217 okiefrommuskogie
Do yourself (and us) a favor, and don't try to paint yourself as some kind of "god's gift to the world" - lots of people here do charitable things for others (myself included) - we don't ask for kudos from everyone we meet online for it...it's just something we do in our real lives. That's not to say people don't share stories, but they don't use them to beef up their online esteem.
You'll get to know who is suspicious and who isn't, as well as who is sincere and who isn't...and don't let people's irreverence fool you - Steve for example has a heart of gold...it has a carbonite crust around it, but inside it looks like an Abba album cover.
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:18:29pm |
re: #220 prononymous
What a coincidence, I have traditional morals and values too.
Though mine are selected from the traditions of a diverse collection of historical and modern cultures from around the world.
Damned eclectics, always screwing with established tradition.
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okiefrommuskogie Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:19:52pm |
re: #227 darthstar
where, exactly, did i ask for kudos?? i was just responding to steve's remark.
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:20:57pm |
re: #228 b_sharp
Damned eclectics, always screwing with established tradition.
I made this particular best-of-the-best remix CD specifically to piss off the purists.
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researchok Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:20:57pm |
re: #221 reine.de.tout
Eggz-ackly.
The greater problem today is how many competing ibterests are claiming to talk for God and expect us to follow along.
This is not the function of organized religion.
Religion is meant to give us the tools to make decisions for ourselves. We are meant to exercise our own free will, not the will of those who purport to speak for God.
Those who claim to speak for God are interested in two things only- power and influence overt others. Both of those things are antithetical to real faith.
That is why the current crop of evangelicals upset me so much. For them, it's about everything but real faith.
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:21:47pm |
re: #226 engineer dog
i also think that it is interesting that it is possible to wield certain phrases that seem to have great conjuring power, yet many who do seem unable or at least unwilling to explain what they mean by them
Tradition has been used in far too many uncivil incantations.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:23:39pm |
re: #224 b_sharp
Deja vu, all over again.
All these interruptions while I'm trying to chat
CNN,, can you get us this
ABC,, can you find that
ESPN ,, can you take a look at this
Geez Louise !!
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researchok Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:23:45pm |
re: #232 b_sharp
Tradition has been used in far too many uncivil incantations.
For sure.
In fact, I'd venture to say every ideology is subject to misuse,
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:24:36pm |
re: #215 jaunte
News: One of my girls (previously mentioned as the Armydaughter) had a son today, 2 months premature, all the way out in El Paso. Everyone is doing fine.
congratulations gramps!
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darthstar Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:25:02pm |
re: #229 okiefrommuskogie
where, exactly, did i ask for kudos?? i was just responding to steve's remark.
Okay, try this...read your posts aloud to yourself before hitting the "post this comment" button. An awareness of audience is a good thing. Also try not to be too thin-skinned...we're a rough group at times, but generally well intended.
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researchok Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:25:37pm |
re: #215 jaunte
News: One of my girls (previously mentioned as the Armydaughter) had a son today, 2 months premature, all the way out in El Paso. Everyone is doing fine.
Damn fine news!
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:25:56pm |
re: #234 sattv4u2
All these interruptions while I'm trying to chat
CNN,, can you get us this
ABC,, can you find that
ESPN ,, can you take a look at this
Geez Louise !!
Work, work, work...
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jaunte Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:27:55pm |
re: #236 albusteve
He might have been born in New Mexico if he could have waited!
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:28:14pm |
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researchok Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:28:47pm |
re: #240 jaunte
He might have been born in New Mexico if he could have waited!
I will refrain from making any Longhorn jokes,
Maybe.
/
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:29:36pm |
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:30:37pm |
re: #240 jaunte
He might have been born in New Mexico if he could have waited!
and now he's a Texan...omg!
(we have our own reasons to beat on Texans)
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:33:15pm |
re: #246 b_sharp
Stop complaining, you get 12 hours off.
Kinda sorta
Takes over an hour to get home
Takes awhile to get to sleep
Then, wake up, shower change and an over an hour to get back here
So all told I'll have about 9 hours "off" before another "half day" shift starts!!
oh ,,, joy!!
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:33:55pm |
re: #246 b_sharp
Stop complaining, you get 12 hours off.
for allied health, three 12hour shifts in a row will kick you ass...trying to get much done on the time off is hard...you gotta have energy
jus sayin
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:35:26pm |
re: #247 sattv4u2
Kinda sorta
Takes over an hour to get home
Takes awhile to get to sleep
Then, wake up, shower change and an over an hour to get back here
So all told I'll have about 9 hours "off" before another "half day" shift starts!!
oh ,,, joy!!
Those are some long work days. I hope you get some decent time off, or a pocket full of money.
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:37:43pm |
re: #248 albusteve
for allied health, three 12hour shifts in a row will kick you ass...trying to get much done on the time off is hard...you gotta have energy
jus sayin
I was just teasing Satt. I know what it's like to work long hours, I've done my share, but running my own business now means I can take it easy the next day.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:39:24pm |
re: #250 b_sharp
I was just teasing Satt. I know what it's like to work long hours, I've done my share, but running my own business now means I can take it easy the next day.
btdt for about 20 years
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jaunte Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:39:27pm |
Jurassic Park protein molecules:
Scientists have discovered how fragments of the protein collagen might have survived in fossilized dinosaur bones.
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Digital Display Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:40:42pm |
re: #248 albusteve
for allied health, three 12hour shifts in a row will kick you ass...trying to get much done on the time off is hard...you gotta have energy
jus sayin
I once worked on a Sub 12 hrs. a day for 80 straight days till it was fixed...All of us made a shit load of money..Payday was pretty cool
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:40:50pm |
re: #250 b_sharp
I was just teasing Satt. I know what it's like to work long hours, I've done my share, but running my own business now means I can take it easy the next day.
I had a remodel business...a monster anxiety trip...we got too big, too much money, to much of everything
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austin_blue Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:41:29pm |
re: #253 jaunte
Jurassic Park protein molecules:
Scientists have discovered how fragments of the protein collagen might have survived in fossilized dinosaur bones.
Think a live T-rex in the Capitol Rotunda might break the gridlock?
Just sayin'. And I want to see the video!
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:41:32pm |
re: #254 HoosierHoops
I once worked on a Sub 12 hrs. a day for 80 straight days till it was fixed...All of us made a shit load of money..Payday was pretty cool
money rules
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:41:48pm |
re: #257 austin_blue
Think a live T-rex in the Capitol Rotunda might break the gridlock?
Just sayin'. And I want to see the video!
It would break everything.
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researchok Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:43:23pm |
re: #255 albusteve
I had a remodel business...a monster anxiety trip...we got too big, too much money, to much of everything
Business that gets too big = Daycare for adults.
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Digital Display Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:43:53pm |
re: #258 albusteve
money rules
Money
Money changes everything
You say you know what you want
but you don't know a thing
Cause ..Money..Money changes everything
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austin_blue Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:44:21pm |
re: #254 HoosierHoops
I once worked on a Sub 12 hrs. a day for 80 straight days till it was fixed...All of us made a shit load of money..Payday was pretty cool
We routinely worked 14 consecutive twelves offshore. Then again, my company gave me a week off with airfare and hotel costs for wherever I wanted to go.
A week in Bangkok makes a strong man humble.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:45:50pm |
re: #262 austin_blue
We routinely worked 14 consecutive twelves offshore. Then again, my company gave me a week off with airfare and hotel costs for wherever I wanted to go.
A week in Bangkok makes a strong man humble.
I get my kicks above the waistline, sunshine.
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Targetpractice Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:45:58pm |
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:46:59pm |
re: #261 HoosierHoops
Money
Money changes everything
You say you know what you want
but you don't know a thing
Cause ..Money..Money changes everything
which reminds me...
crank it bro
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:49:31pm |
King Crimson - Easy Money
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austin_blue Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:51:05pm |
re: #263 EmmmieG
I get my kicks above the waistline, sunshine.
I was young, then. And remarkably stupid. But damn, it was fun. There was a joint where the girls were placed on tiers like on Howie Mandel's game show with the supermodels as briefcase holders.
LBFM-PBRs.
Rude? Yes. But it was a living for them.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:53:28pm |
Money
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:53:28pm |
re: #269 austin_blue
I was young, then. And remarkably stupid. But damn, it was fun. There was a joint where the girls were placed on tiers like on Howie Mandel's game show with the supermodels as briefcase holders.
LBFM-PBRs.
Rude? Yes. But it was a living for them.
sounds like Key West in April
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What, me worry? Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:53:49pm |
Git yer money for nuthin.
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austin_blue Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:55:02pm |
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makeitstop Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:56:39pm |
re: #268 Killgore Trout
King Crimson - Easy Money
[Video]
I saw Crimso play that album live. Still one of the coolest shows I've ever seen. Jamie Muir didn't make it to the tour, but that band was smokin' hot.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:57:02pm |
re: #274 austin_blue
Surprisingly good cover.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 7:58:23pm |
Savoy Brown
Money Can't save Your Soul
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:00:16pm |
re: #275 makeitstop
I met Tony Levin (bass) a few times is casual social settings and have always been a terrified star struck fan boy.
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makeitstop Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:00:20pm |
re: #276 Killgore Trout
Surprisingly good cover.
The Foos have covered some really cool stuff over the years - Gary Numan's 'Down In The Park,' Gerry Rafferty's 'Baker Street,' Wings' 'Band On The Run,' Cream's 'I Feel Free,' and more that I can't remember right now.
Them youngsters know their roots.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:01:18pm |
re: #278 Killgore Trout
I met Tony Levin (bass) a few times is casual social settings and have always been a terrified star struck fan boy.
LOL!
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:01:38pm |
Lawyers, Guns and Money
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makeitstop Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:02:31pm |
re: #278 Killgore Trout
I met Tony Levin (bass) a few times is casual social settings and have always been a terrified star struck fan boy.
Levin joined the Belew version of Crimson. I believe the bass player for Lark's Tongues was John Wetton.
But I feel ya - someone with that much ability (and his resume) can render you awe-struck.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:08:09pm |
re: #231 researchok
The greater problem today is how many competing ibterests are claiming to talk for God and expect us to follow along.
This is not the function of organized religion.
Religion is meant to give us the tools to make decisions for ourselves. We are meant to exercise our own free will, not the will of those who purport to speak for God.
Those who claim to speak for God are interested in two things only- power and influence overt others. Both of those things are antithetical to real faith.
That is why the current crop of evangelicals upset me so much. For them, it's about everything but real faith.
I have no arguments with any of that. Esp. the bit at the end - yes, for the current crop of evangelicals, it's about power - not faith.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:09:34pm |
re: #282 makeitstop
Levin joined the Belew version of Crimson. I believe the bass player for Lark's Tongues was John Wetton.
But I feel ya - someone with that much ability (and his resume) can render you awe-struck.
Lenny Pickett is a dear friend of the guy that owns my house...he came down to visit two years ago and we talked a lot about water for Las Cruces, his home town...I didn't dare ask him about Tower Of Power or Sat Night Live...who cares about that eh?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:10:41pm |
Way off you guy's testosterone path, I'm gonna pimp a page I just did. I followed LGF off and on today, so may have missed the post and discussion, but this is a fantastic NYT story.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant
By JOSE ANTONIO VARGAS
Pulitzer Prize winning Jose Antonio Vargas.
This could be the new "coming out."
(My Mom we discovered when she tried to collect Social Security was an undocumented person here.)
Really, if you have not read this today, it's worth your time.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:10:43pm |
re: #262 austin_blue
We routinely worked 14 consecutive twelves offshore. Then again, my company gave me a week off with airfare and hotel costs for wherever I wanted to go.
A week in Bangkok makes a strong man humble.
Yeah, that's what the Roi works, 14 consecutive days of 12-hour shifts, then a helicopter back to land. And home.
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austin_blue Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:11:25pm |
re: #276 Killgore Trout
Surprisingly good cover.
Yup. They are pretty fine. Not Fripp fine, mind you, but pretty good.
re: #282 makeitstop
Levin joined the Belew version of Crimson. I believe the bass player for Lark's Tongues was John Wetton.
But I feel ya - someone with that much ability (and his resume) can render you awe-struck.
LTIA was one of the finest albums of the early 70's. The title track (Parts 1 and 2) is just brilliant. Modern classical music of the highest order, performed by virtuosi.
* Robert Fripp – guitars, Mellotron, devices, electric piano
* John Wetton – bass, lead vocals, acoustic piano
* Bill Bruford – drums
* David Cross – violin, viola, Mellotron, flute, electric piano
* Jamie Muir – percussion
with
* Richard Palmer-James – lyrics
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:12:44pm |
re: #287 reine.de.tout
Yeah, that's what the Roi works, 14 consecutive days of 12-hour shifts, then a helicopter back to land. And home.
man, that's rough...
I'm humbled
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:13:48pm |
re: #128 engineer dog
do you believe in salvation by faith alone or do you admit the possibility of the value of good deeds?
Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the Communist Party?
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makeitstop Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:13:52pm |
re: #285 albusteve
Lenny Pickett is a dear friend of the guy that owns my house...he came down to visit two years ago and we talked a lot about water for Las Cruces, his home town...I didn't dare ask him about Tower Of Power or Sat Night Live...who cares about that eh?
I met Bill Graham about six months before his death, and we spent our entire conversation talking about the Yankees. He was a big baseball fan.
Funny how those type of conversations go. Now I can think of a thousand questions I could have asked him, but he probably would have lost interest and walked away.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:14:09pm |
re: #129 goddamnedfrank
I used to be a fig tree.
I got better.
How can you get better than a fig tree?
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makeitstop Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:14:59pm |
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austin_blue Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:15:05pm |
re: #287 reine.de.tout
Yeah, that's what the Roi works, 14 consecutive days of 12-hour shifts, then a helicopter back to land. And home.
I assume he mostly does work in the Gulf. I was working mostly in the North Sea, Asia, and Africa.
Great weeks off, though. For four years I was in the States for about a month each year. Wonderful for a single guy.
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freetoken Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:15:28pm |
re: #292 SanFranciscoZionist
I wish more fig trees were planted in San Diego. One of my fond memories of Japan is of the abundance of fresh figs (during season) - red and sweet. Some of my favorite food (after chocolate and loquats.)
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:15:31pm |
re: #155 b_sharp
Frank, you're still a fig tree.
When we told you you were OK, we just didn't want to hurt your feelings.
"It would be easier if she thought she was a hedgehog. A person thinks they're a hedgehog, you just give them a mirror and some pictures of hedgehogs, tell them to come back when they feel better."
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:17:32pm |
re: #294 austin_blue
I assume he mostly does work in the Gulf. I was working mostly in the North Sea, Asia, and Africa.
Great weeks off, though. For four years I was in the States for about a month each year. Wonderful for a single guy.
Yes, he works in the Gulf. His office won't let him go anywhere else (they've still not gotten back all the folks they "loaned" to other places after the BP thing).
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austin_blue Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:18:28pm |
re: #292 SanFranciscoZionist
How can you get better than a fig tree?
What, cursed by Jesus, His Own Self?
It's in the Book so it must be true!
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:18:31pm |
re: #291 makeitstop
I met Bill Graham about six months before his death, and we spent our entire conversation talking about the Yankees. He was a big baseball fan.
Funny how those type of conversations go. Now I can think of a thousand questions I could have asked him, but he probably would have lost interest and walked away.
nothing ventured, nothing gained...
I met Merry Clayton that sang the iconic chorus to Gimme Shelter...
I asked her if she could still do that and she had a good laugh and it broke the ice...after that we talked about getting old...
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freetoken Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:19:10pm |
Eleanor Clift weighs in on the pile-on to Obama:
Clinton & Gore's Friendly Fire Attack on Obama
I do think the President could articulate better the really important issues. Use less words, but more powerful ideas.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:19:18pm |
re: #287 reine.de.tout
Yeah, that's what the Roi works, 14 consecutive days of 12-hour shifts, then a helicopter back to land. And home.
That's rough. But I hear it pays well.
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researchok Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:20:01pm |
re: #295 freetoken
I wish more fig trees were planted in San Diego. One of my fond memories of Japan is of the abundance of fresh figs (during season) - red and sweet. Some of my favorite food (after chocolate and loquats.)
OT, I saw your comment and immediately opened up the Joan Baez La Llorona piece. Thanks for turning me on to that. It really stuck with me.
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makeitstop Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:20:05pm |
re: #288 austin_blue
Yup. They are pretty fine. Not Fripp fine, mind you, but pretty good.
re: #282 makeitstopLTIA was one of the finest albums of the early 70's. The title track (Parts 1 and 2) is just brilliant. Modern classical music of the highest order, performed by virtuosi.
* Robert Fripp – guitars, Mellotron, devices, electric piano
* John Wetton – bass, lead vocals, acoustic piano
* Bill Bruford – drums
* David Cross – violin, viola, Mellotron, flute, electric piano
* Jamie Muir – percussionwith
* Richard Palmer-James – lyrics
Wetton bounced around quite a bit in those days - he ended up in Asia with Steve Howe and did that horrid 'Heat Of The Moment' song.
He was in a mostly overlooked band called U.K. with Bruford and Allan Holdsworth (and Eddie Jobson from Roxy Music). They were monstrous. Holdsworth killed in that band, and 'In The Dead Of Night' is still a very cool song.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:20:37pm |
re: #179 reine.de.tout
I'm sure you did have a difficult time with your son's friend's suicide.
But I don't believe God punishes those who are too young, or too mentally disturbed, to be able to fully think through their actions - and surely this applies to those who are suicidal.
For a long time the Catholic Church would not bury someone in a Catholic cemetery if the person had committed suicide. That is no longer the case; the reasoning is that people who are in such pain and turmoil, as you described it, perhaps cannot be held fully accountable for their actions.
There was a suicide of a staff member at the school I was working at, this past fall.
The kids asked me if suicides went to hell.
Jewish teacher on the spot, I told them that I didn't believe God would punish anyone for something they did while they were in such emotional pain as she was, and sick with depression.
The eighth grade teacher had a degree in Catholic theology, and he told me that was OK.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:20:51pm |
re: #300 freetoken
Eleanor Clift weighs in on the pile-on to Obama:
Clinton & Gore's Friendly Fire Attack on Obama
I do think the President could articulate better the really important issues. Use less words, but more powerful ideas.
He's a lawyer, that's not his style. The man has a love of rhetoric, and will always look for wordy, elegant turns of phrase.
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makeitstop Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:22:14pm |
re: #299 albusteve
nothing ventured, nothing gained...
I met Merry Clayton that sang the iconic chorus to Gimme Shelter...
I asked her if she could still do that and she had a good laugh and it broke the ice...after that we talked about getting old...
Great story. Nothing like a laugh to get things rolling.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:22:28pm |
re: #140 researchok
I'm far closer to being a real conservative. Real conservative value independent thinking and better ideas
You're way too dogmatic to be a conservative. For you, it's all about the (current) party line and the accompanying crowds.
Pseudo conservatives have tossed George Bush into the scrapheap. Barry Goldwater is probably anathema to you because of his support of gay rights (real conservatives can change their minds when a better idea comes around) and you probably abhor Romney because he acknowledges AGW.
No, you are nothing like a real conservative at all.
Wikiquote has a page on Barry --quite enlightening really.
How is everyone?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:23:13pm |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:23:20pm |
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researchok Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:23:36pm |
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:23:39pm |
re: #305 Dark_Falcon
He's a lawyer, that's not his style. The man has a love of rhetoric, and will always look for wordy, elegant turns of phrase.
well said...BO's strength is his own tongue
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:24:21pm |
re: #305 Dark_Falcon
I wish Obama would get a little more involved in NATO (Not militarily, but otherwise).
NATO bureaucracy is turning what should be a simple operation in Libya into a strategy that is beginning to cause a shortage in the world's stupid supply.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:26:11pm |
re: #306 makeitstop
Great story. Nothing like a laugh to get things rolling.
stars are just people that were in the right place at the right time...events always overtake them...until then they are pretty ordinary
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:26:12pm |
re: #313 b_sharp
Information. There's too much of it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:27:05pm |
re: #202 okiefrommuskogie
You have absolutely NO idea what I do for children here who have troubled lives.
No, we don't. And you don't know what a lot of us here do. If we get to know you a bit better, and you stop coming in with guns blazing, we may manage to get on better.
Seriously. You seem determined to be here, but unsure how to interact with us without poking us with sticks. You may be as inflexible as you appear--and certainly, plenty of the folks here seem to have turned 'agin' you--but occasionally you have a touch of openness.
Learning to be interactive on a new blog is a bit hit or miss. Take Buck as your guide--you can disagree with as many people here as you like, as long as you're polite with it.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:27:24pm |
re: #312 ProLifeLiberal
I wish Obama would get a little more involved in NATO (Not militarily, but otherwise).
NATO bureaucracy is turning what should be a simple operation in Libya into a strategy that is beginning to cause a shortage in the world's stupid supply.
He doesn't want to. His whole point was that the US should not take the lead on Libya, but should instead let the other members of the alliance have their turn in the limelight. He'd probably like if that lead other nations to understand how difficult leading is and cut America some slack, though I'm sure he knows that isn't going to be what really happens.
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laZardo Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:27:24pm |
re: #312 ProLifeLiberal
I wish Obama would get a little more involved in NATO (Not militarily, but otherwise).
NATO bureaucracy is turning what should be a simple operation in Libya into a strategy that is beginning to cause a shortage in the world's stupid supply.
I'm calling it as another Iraq/Afghanistan/Vietnam already. Maybe it's senseless to leave them alone, but we've seen how "intervention" hasn't actually improved the parts of the world where we've actually intervened.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:28:14pm |
re: #211 Decatur Deb
Churchill's response to an admiral boasting of the values of the Royal Navy, IIRC.
Then adopted as the title of a Pogues album.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:28:33pm |
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:28:34pm |
re: #303 makeitstop
He was in a mostly overlooked band called U.K. with Bruford and Allan Holdsworth (and Eddie Jobson from Roxy Music). They were monstrous. Holdsworth killed in that band, and 'In The Dead Of Night' is still a very cool song.
I regret that I have but one upding to give for U.K.
Holdsworth kills, full stop. I've only seen him live one time, but it was in a tiny club called Dan's Silver Leaf in Denton, TX. The band consisted of Chad Wackerman on drums, Jimmy Johnson on bass. There were maybe 200 people in the audience. One of the best shows I've ever seen.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:28:38pm |
re: #215 jaunte
News: One of my girls (previously mentioned as the Armydaughter) had a son today, 2 months premature, all the way out in El Paso. Everyone is doing fine.
Kids these days. Just can't wait for anything.
Mazal tov!
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:29:22pm |
re: #317 Dark_Falcon
He doesn't want to. His whole point was that the US should not take the lead on Libya, but should instead let the other members of the alliance have their turn in the limelight. He'd probably like if that lead other nations to understand how difficult leading is and cut America some slack, though I'm sure he knows that isn't going to be what really happens.
why do people suppose that killing bad guys is the sole provenance of the US?...it takes a village
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darthstar Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:29:54pm |
Teabagger punches protester for singing.
[Link: host.madison.com...]
A participant in the daily, non-violent Solidarity Sing Along at the state Capitol suffered a broken tooth when he was punched in the face by one of two men who were draping a "Don't Tread on Me" flag over the heads of singers, the leader of the sing-along said.
I hate Louie-Louie as much as the next person, but violence is never called for.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:30:25pm |
re: #317 Dark_Falcon
True.
What I'm talking about here is NATO bureaucracy telling the rebels to do 2 different things, then being unhappy with the results and trying an already ineffective strategy.
I think everyone can agree that what I just said was happening is pants-on-head stupid.
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Targetpractice Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:31:05pm |
re: #324 darthstar
Teabagger punches protester for singing.
[Link: host.madison.com...]
I hate Louie-Louie as much as the next person, but violence is never called for.
Could have been worse. They could have been singing The Macarena.
/
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:31:09pm |
Samsung Galaxy Review:
I do believe we just payed $600 for our son to be able to play Angry Birds.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:32:19pm |
re: #317 Dark_Falcon
I'm basically asking for Obama just tell NATO not to confuse the situation, not give contradictory recommendations/orders, and use a strategy that has proven effective before.
My page today was all about that.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:32:34pm |
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:32:53pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:33:17pm |
re: #323 albusteve
why do people suppose that killing bad guys is the sole provenance of the US?...it takes a village
Remember, this is the bleeding-heart liberal talking: I really don't trust anyone else to do it properly.
Not that I trust US, either, but you know...
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darthstar Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:33:42pm |
re: #326 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Could have been worse. They could have been singing The Macarena.
/
The Macarena...when I'm at the ballgame for Sunday games and they do "God Bless America" instead of "Take Me Out To The Ballgame" they ask everyone to remove their hats...God Bless America isn't our national anthem, so I usually tell whoever I'm with "I only take my hat off for two songs...our National Anthem and the Macarena"...(I'm kidding about the Macarena of course)
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:34:24pm |
re: #326 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Could have been worse. They could have been singing The Macarena.
/
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Targetpractice Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:34:35pm |
re: #328 ProLifeLiberal
I'm basically asking for Obama just tell NATO not to confuse the situation, not give contradictory recommendations/orders, and use a strategy that has proven effective before.
My page today was all about that.
I keep kinda expecting NATO to pull the ol' "You think you can do it better?! Go right ahead!" and march off the field, fuming the whole way.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:34:44pm |
re: #318 laZardo
I'm calling it as another Iraq/Afghanistan/Vietnam already. Maybe it's senseless to leave them alone, but we've seen how "intervention" hasn't actually improved the parts of the world where we've actually intervened.
To say that is s to ignore the profound differences in the situation. Unlike in those other cases, we have zero boots on the ground. Moreover, Libya is a much more conventional war than Vietnam. There are normal front lines and in most cases known zones of control. Cease your America-bashing: Libya's the right fight. Senator McCain is right on that.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:35:24pm |
re: #331 SanFranciscoZionist
Remember, this is the bleeding-heart liberal talking: I really don't trust anyone else to do it properly.
Not that I trust US, either, but you know...
Well, if we want the rest of the world to start doing their part, we have to trust them to do it and live with the mistakes.
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:35:24pm |
re: #331 SanFranciscoZionist
Remember, this is the bleeding-heart liberal talking: I really don't trust anyone else to do it properly.
Not that I trust US, either, but you know...
Someone like Bachmann becomes Prez, all bets are off.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:35:31pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:36:48pm |
Isn't there some truth to the idea that the Arab world won't "grow-up" (my words) if we are constantly there telling then what and how to do democracy?
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:37:08pm |
re: #336 ggt
Well, if we want the rest of the world to start doing their part, we have to trust them to do it and live with the mistakes.
they better get used to it...it's their ass on the line too
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austin_blue Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:38:05pm |
re: #301 Dark_Falcon
That's rough. But I hear it pays well.
Depends. Roustabouts, meh. Mud Engineers like the Roi, damn good money.
I was a wellhead geologist, making $300 a day back in the late 80's. The idiot company man pressed ahead when the mud engineer and I begged him to increase the mud weight. We took a four pound kick and I was climbing the ladder to the drill floor when the well came in and we got a flash explosion before they could close the rams. Four dead on the drill floor and I got blown backwards and broke my back.
Settled with the oil company and they paid for my surgery- a lumbar laminectomy- but every two or three years I've got to go in for an epidural injection of steroids into my lumbar spine. This was off Brunei, but I can't give specifics because of the settlement.
It's a damn hard life. I lost four co-workers and friends when Piper Alpha went up.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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b_sharp Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:38:15pm |
re: #339 ggt
Isn't there some truth to the idea that the Arab world won't "grow-up" (my words) if we are constantly there telling then what and how to do democracy?
It's much easier to corrupt them through the Internet.
As long as we keep them away from anything Fox.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:38:23pm |
re: #339 ggt
I see your point. But when it's our organizations doing bureaucratic muck-ups that are causing military problems, we might have a reason to fix it.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:38:30pm |
re: #340 albusteve
they better get used to it...it's their ass on the line too
Exactly.
I think we've become too co-dependent as a nation. We are not responsible for the whole world.
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sagehen Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:38:43pm |
re: #257 austin_blue
Think a live T-rex in the Capitol Rotunda might break the gridlock?
Just sayin'. And I want to see the video!
Weren't the T-Rexes (T-Rexii?) vegetarians? And they don't fly.
You need a flock of velociraptors.
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freetoken Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:39:06pm |
re: #302 researchok
You're welcome. Baez's rendition is good, though I prefer the pure instrumental versions of the song.
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laZardo Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:39:26pm |
re: #335 Dark_Falcon
To say that is s to ignore the profound differences in the situation. Unlike in those other cases, we have zero boots on the ground. Moreover, Libya is a much more conventional war than Vietnam. There are normal front lines and in most cases known zones of control. Cease your America-bashing: Libya's the right fight. Senator McCain is right on that.
Let's see, we're trying to overthrow a leader hostile to US/NATO interests, we're supporting a force we assume to be "democratic"...nope, no profound differences there.
And we're probably gonna end up with boots on the ground there in the near future. Maybe that's what the Afghanistan drawdown is really a prelude to.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:39:31pm |
re: #342 b_sharp
The internet can corrupt the best of saints.
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albusteve Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:40:06pm |
re: #339 ggt
Isn't there some truth to the idea that the Arab world won't "grow-up" (my words) if we are constantly there telling then what and how to do democracy?
Arab leaders are not stupid, they know exactly what they are faced with in their own backyard...turmoil and chaos that has nothing to do with the US
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:40:44pm |
re: #343 ProLifeLiberal
I see your point. But when it's our organizations doing bureaucratic muck-ups that are causing military problems, we might have a reason to fix it.
IF they ask for our help or if the international community asks us to intervene.
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makeitstop Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:40:49pm |
re: #321 negativ
I regret that I have but one upding to give for U.K.
Holdsworth kills, full stop. I've only seen him live one time, but it was in a tiny club called Dan's Silver Leaf in Denton, TX. The band consisted of Chad Wackerman on drums, Jimmy Johnson on bass. There were maybe 200 people in the audience. One of the best shows I've ever seen.
Believe it or not, I've still never seen Holdsworth live. But he never fails to floor me and make me realize how much about playing guitar I don't know yet.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:41:56pm |
re: #349 albusteve
Arab leaders are not stupid, they know exactly what they are faced with in their own backyard...turmoil and chaos that has nothing to do with the US
exactly, they'll be less able to face-it (and save face) if we are there.
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laZardo Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:41:57pm |
re: #351 ggt
IF they ask for our help or if the international community asks us to intervene.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:42:42pm |
re: #332 darthstar
God Bless America isn't our national anthem, so I usually tell whoever I'm with "I only take my hat off for two songs...our National Anthem and the Macarena"...(I'm kidding about the Macarena of course)
Side-track: I don't care what anyone thinks; "The Star Spangled Banner", when sung a capella, is one of the most awkward and ugly pieces of music imaginable. I would just about prefer the Macarena. That's true even if the singer has talent, which for some reason they nearly never do.
Choral arrangements, and completely instrumental arrangements do not suffer the same problem. Igor Stravinsky's remains my favorite.
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austin_blue Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:44:26pm |
re: #347 laZardo
Let's see, we're trying to overthrow a leader hostile to US/NATO interests, we're supporting a force we assume to be "democratic"...nope, no profound differences there.
And we're probably gonna end up with boots on the ground there in the near future. Maybe that's what the Afghanistan drawdown is really a prelude to.
Um...no. We won't. This is a European led operation and will stay so. That's what Obama did before the attack began. It was made very clear to NATO that this was in *their* backyard and they needed to deal with it. Outside of our supporting role, we will not increase our presence.
Wanna bet me?
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freetoken Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:44:41pm |
The past... we don't need no stinkin' "past":
Utah lays off state archaeologists, anthropologist
Utah's top state archaeologists and only physical anthropologist have been laid off in what the state Department of Community and Culture director calls a budget move.
Department chief Michael Hansen tells the Deseret News that budget cuts by the Utah Legislature forced the dismissals of state archaeologist Kevin Jones, assistant state archeologist Ron Rood and physical anthropologist Derinna Kopp.
Hansen says the decision was made within the department, and it'll save a little more than $154,000.
Rood tells the Salt Lake Tribune he thinks they were dismissed because they stood up for archaeology.
Hansen denies the cuts had to do with a fight over excavation of a site in Draper for a Utah Transit Authority FrontRunner stop.The antiquities officials say it's a 3,000-year-old Indian archeological site.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:44:57pm |
re: #354 laZardo
I wasn't talking about Libya or supporting intervention in Libya.
I'm not convinced we should be involved in any other fronts that the one's we are in now. We are not the "givers" of democracy, if it is going to stick, the people themselves have to want it and work for it.
It, unfortunately, doesn't come cheaply or easily.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:45:20pm |
re: #352 makeitstop
Believe it or not, I've still never seen Holdsworth live. But he never fails to floor me and make me realize how much about playing guitar I don't know yet.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:46:02pm |
re: #355 negativ
Side-track: I don't care what anyone thinks; "The Star Spangled Banner", when sung a capella, is one of the most awkward and ugly pieces of music imaginable. I would just about prefer the Macarena. That's true even if the singer has talent, which for some reason they nearly never do.
Choral arrangements, and completely instrumental arrangements do not suffer the same problem. Igor Stravinsky's remains my favorite.
[Video]
Original lyrics of the music now best known as "The Star Spangled Banner"
1
To ANACREON in Heav'n, where he sat in full Glee,
A few Sons of Harmony sent a Petition,
That He their Inspirer and Patron wou'd be;
When this Answer arriv'd from the JOLLY OLD GRECIAN
"Voice, Fiddle, and Flute,
"No longer be mute,
"I'll lend you my Name and inspire you to boot,
"And, besides, I'll instruct you like me, to intwine
"The Myrtle of VENUS with BACCHUS's Vine.
2
The news through OLYMPUS immediately flew;
When OLD THUNDER pretended to give himself Airs_
If these Mortals are suffer'd their Scheme to pursue,
The Devil a Goddess will stay above Stairs.
"Hark! already they cry,
"In Transports of Joy
"Away to the Sons of ANACREON we'll fly,
"And there, with good Fellows, we'll learn to intwine
"The Myrtle of VENUS with BACCHUS'S Vine.
3
"The YELLOW-HAIR'D GOD and his nine fusty Maids
"From HELICON'S Banks will incontinent flee,
"IDALIA will boast but of tenantless Shades,
"And the bi-forked Hill a mere Desart will be
"My Thunder, no fear on't,
"Shall soon do it's Errand,
"And, dam'me! I'll swinge the Ringleaders I warrant,
"I'll trim the young Dogs, for thus daring to twine
"The Myrtle of VENUS with BACCHUS'S Vine.
4
APOLLO rose up; and said, "Pr'ythee ne'er quarrel,
"Good King of the Gods with my Vot'ries below:
"Your Thunder is useless_then, shewing his Laurel,
Cry'd. "Sic evitabile fulmen, you know!
"Then over each Head
"My Laurels I'll spread
"So my Sons from your Crackers no Mischief shall dread,
"Whilst snug in their Club-Room, they Jovially twine
"The Myrtle of VENUS with BACCHUS'S Vine.
5
Next MOMUS got up, with his risible Phiz,
And swore with APOLLO he'd cheerfull join_
"The full Tide of Harmony still shall be his,
"But the Song, and the Catch, & the Laugh shall bemine
"Then, JOVE, be not jealous
Of these honest Fellows,
Cry'd JOVE, "We relent, since the Truth you now tell us;
"And swear, by OLD STYX, that they long shall entwine
"The Myrtle of VENUS with BACCHUS'S Vine.
6
Ye Sons of ANACREON, then, join Hand in Hand;
Preserve Unanimity, Friendship, and Love!
'Tis your's to support what's so happily plann'd;
You've the Sanction of Gods, and the FIAT of JOVE.
While thus we agree
Our Toast let it be.
May our Club flourish happy, united and free!
And long may the Sons of ANACREON intwine
The Myrtle of VENUS with BACCHUS'S Vine.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:47:47pm |
re: #355 negativ
Side-track: I don't care what anyone thinks; "The Star Spangled Banner", when sung a capella, is one of the most awkward and ugly pieces of music imaginable. I would just about prefer the Macarena. That's true even if the singer has talent, which for some reason they nearly never do.
Choral arrangements, and completely instrumental arrangements do not suffer the same problem. Igor Stravinsky's remains my favorite.
[Video]
"Le Marselleise" is fantastic. So, frankly, is the Russian national anthem.
Some people insist that "The Star-Spangled Banner" is the ON-leee violent national athem, which is entirely untrue. It's just impossible to sing.
What was wrong with "American the Beautiful", exactly?
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makeitstop Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:48:08pm |
re: #360 SanFranciscoZionist
Original lyrics of the music now best known as "The Star Spangled Banner"
Umm... play ball?
/
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:48:34pm |
re: #361 SanFranciscoZionist
"Le Marselleise" is fantastic. So, frankly, is the Russian national anthem.
Some people insist that "The Star-Spangled Banner" is the ON-leee violent national athem, which is entirely untrue. It's just impossible to sing.
What was wrong with "American the Beautiful", exactly?
I think my favorite anthem is "My Old Kentucky Home". They play it before the horse races in Kentucky.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:49:01pm |
re: #312 ProLifeLiberal
I wish Obama would get a little more involved in NATO (Not militarily, but otherwise).
NATO bureaucracy is turning what should be a simple operation in Libya into a strategy that is beginning to cause a shortage in the world's stupid supply.
This is another time I pray we don't know what's going down. I hope we are more involved. Yes, to the Glen Greenwald types, that's bad. I just want freedom in Libya and Bahrain, and Egypt. ET to the C
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:49:06pm |
re: #361 SanFranciscoZionist
"Le Marselleise" is fantastic. So, frankly, is the Russian national anthem.
Some people insist that "The Star-Spangled Banner" is the ON-leee violent national athem, which is entirely untrue. It's just impossible to sing.
What was wrong with "American the Beautiful", exactly?
PIMF: America
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:49:43pm |
re: #364 Stanley Sea
This is another time I pray we don't know what's going down. I hope we are more involved. Yes, to the Glen Greenwald types, that's bad. I just want freedom in Libya and Bahrain, and Egypt. ET to the C
I think we all do, but we don't count. It's the citizens of these countries who have to make the choice.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:50:00pm |
re: #358 ggt
Thing is, we didn't get independence on our own.
By my count, I see 3 who intervened on our behalf. Not counting nations who helped with supplies.
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austin_blue Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:50:59pm |
re: #361 SanFranciscoZionist
"Le Marselleise" is fantastic. So, frankly, is the Russian national anthem.
Some people insist that "The Star-Spangled Banner" is the ON-leee violent national athem, which is entirely untrue. It's just impossible to sing.
What was wrong with "American the Beautiful", exactly?
Nothing. It's a beautiful song.
And, unlike the Pledge of Allegiance, it didn't have "under God" inserted into it in the 50's.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:51:15pm |
re: #367 ProLifeLiberal
Thing is, we didn't get independence on our own.
By my count, I see 3 who intervened on our behalf. Not counting nations who helped with supplies.
IIRC, we ASKED for the help and actually paid-for some of it.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:51:39pm |
re: #364 Stanley Sea
To be clear, all I'm asking Obama to do is talk to NATO so a consistent strategy exists.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:51:51pm |
The Danish royal anthem begins (in translation):
King Christian stood by tow'ring mast,
In mist and smoke.
His sword was hammering so fast,
Through Gothic helm and brain it passed
Then sank each hostile stern and mast
In mist and smoke
"Fly!" shouted they, "fly, he who can,
Who stands 'gainst Denmark's Christian
Who stands 'gainst Denmark's Christian
in fray?"
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:52:26pm |
re: #369 ggt
So did the Libyans. And I think they took loans. Which means they will be paying for some of this.
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engineer cat Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:53:01pm |
re: #360 SanFranciscoZionist
Original lyrics of the music now best known as "The Star Spangled Banner"
also, if you hear it sung in the original style - a subtle difference, just a lilting style caused by dotting a lot of the beats instead of singing them flat on the floor the way we do now - you can easily hear it as it was originally, a good old barroom drinking song
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Targetpractice Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:53:01pm |
re: #369 ggt
IIRC, we ASKED for the help and actually paid-for some of it.
Yep, and went into debt to do so. However did our nation survive by going into debt to foreign nations?
//
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laZardo Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:53:30pm |
re: #367 ProLifeLiberal
Thing is, we didn't get independence on our own.
By my count, I see 3 who intervened on our behalf. Not counting nations who helped with supplies.
They did it to spite Britain.
Of course, the French couldn't see what effect the colonies' revolt would soon have on their own homeland...
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:53:53pm |
re: #368 austin_blue
Nothing. It's a beautiful song.
And, unlike the Pledge of Allegiance, it didn't have "under God" inserted into it in the 50's.
Are you equally upset about the lyrics to the Canadian National Anthem?? (in part)
From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:54:03pm |
re: #375 laZardo
They did it to spite Britain.
Of course, the French couldn't see what effect the colonies' revolt would soon have on their own homeland...
Key to the Bastille is still hanging in Mount Vernon.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:54:11pm |
"The YELLOW-HAIR'D GOD and his nine fusty Maids
"From HELICON'S Banks will incontinent flee,
And that, children, is why the river Jaxartes runs yellow when the moon is just right.
| 379 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:55:31pm |
re: #368 austin_blue
Nothing. It's a beautiful song.
And, unlike the Pledge of Allegiance, it didn't have "under God" inserted into it in the 50's.
There is that. Good point. I just always recall one of my dad's stories, about a bunch of American kids singing it together before jumping out of a plane over Nazi terroritory. Asked later why they didn't sing TSSB, one of the survivors said they didn't think of it.
And I guess "My Country 'Tis of Thee' is difficult because of the tune.
What about "Courtesy of the Red, White and Blue"?
//
| 380 |
Mocking Jay Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:57:11pm |
re: #368 austin_blue
Nothing. It's a beautiful song.
And, unlike the Pledge of Allegiance, it didn't have "under God" inserted into it
in the 50'sby the founders.
fixt!
| 381 |
sattv4u2 Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:57:17pm |
re: #377 ggt
Key to the Bastille is still hanging in Mount Vernon.
Hmmm,,, maybe my missing car keys are there too!
| 383 |
Targetpractice Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:58:43pm |
| 384 |
ProGunLiberal Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:58:58pm |
While snooping for Wikipedia, I found this:
Apparently, Mexico produced a pirate problem at one point.
| 385 |
laZardo Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:59:10pm |
re: #377 ggt
Key to the Bastille is still hanging in Mount Vernon.
Consolation prize for coming THIS CLOSE to invading the British Isles.
| 386 |
engineer cat Wed, Jun 22, 2011 8:59:45pm |
ahaha! got my driver working in error recovery mode! pull device out of usb port, wait for the driver to figure out something's wrong, plug device back in -
3. profit!
| 388 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:00:29pm |
re: #373 engineer dog
also, if you hear it sung in the original style - a subtle difference, just a lilting style caused by dotting a lot of the beats instead of singing them flat on the floor the way we do now - you can easily hear it as it was originally, a good old barroom drinking song
There's a Lucia St. Clair Robson novel, set shortly after 1812, where someone comes out the Tennessee wilds where the main characters are living, and mentions that a song is going around about Fort McHenry. He says he never was much of a singer, but he'll try to do it for them, even though it has 'a hellacious range'.
There's a statue of Francis Scott Key, in the middle of Golden Gate Park, with all the verses inscribed around the base. When I was a teenager, my friends and I would sometimes hang around there, and circle around Francis' feet, belting the whole thing out.
| 389 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:01:04pm |
re: #376 sattv4u2
Are you equally upset about the lyrics to the Canadian National Anthem?? (in part)
From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
I'ma let that be Canada's problem.
| 390 |
sattv4u2 Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:01:34pm |
| 391 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:02:51pm |
re: #383 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
How about some Battle Hymn of the Republic?
//
Religious reference, plus Civil War issues--which is a pity, because that's the one that brings me to my feet.
| 392 |
sagehen Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:02:52pm |
re: #379 SanFranciscoZionist
There is that. Good point. I just always recall one of my dad's stories, about a bunch of American kids singing it together before jumping out of a plane over Nazi terroritory. Asked later why they didn't sing TSSB, one of the survivors said they didn't think of it.
And I guess "My Country 'Tis of Thee' is difficult because of the tune.
What about "Courtesy of the Red, White and Blue"?
//
We can't do "My Country 'Tis of Thee" when we're surrounded by Brits. They take offense.
There's always The Tubes...
| 393 |
goddamnedfrank Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:05:45pm |
re: #390 sattv4u2
just sayin!
Does the Canadian Constitution have a provision saying Parliament shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion?
| 394 |
austin_blue Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:06:21pm |
re: #373 engineer dog
also, if you hear it sung in the original style - a subtle difference, just a lilting style caused by dotting a lot of the beats instead of singing them flat on the floor the way we do now - you can easily hear it as it was originally, a good old barroom drinking song
Yup. But not a good drinking song, like "99 bottles of beer on the wall".
| 395 |
austin_blue Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:07:39pm |
re: #376 sattv4u2
Are you equally upset about the lyrics to the Canadian National Anthem?? (in part)
From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
No, I'm not Canadian.
| 396 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:07:47pm |
I just got home. Haven't been listening to the news. What happened?
Five words or less?
| 397 |
ProGunLiberal Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:07:48pm |
re: #393 goddamnedfrank
To be fair to Canada, let's point of the fact there is nearly no separation of Church and State in much of Northern Europe. Canada is not going to be that far from us on this.
| 398 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:08:02pm |
| 399 |
ProGunLiberal Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:08:17pm |
re: #396 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Mexico had a pirate problem?
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:08:49pm |
re: #396 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I just got home. Haven't been listening to the news. What happened?
Five words or less?
Obama speech; not much else.
| 401 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:09:15pm |
re: #390 sattv4u2
just sayin!
Actually, TSSB references God as well, now I think of it:
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
| 402 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:10:40pm |
| 403 |
austin_blue Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:11:12pm |
re: #396 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I just got home. Haven't been listening to the news. What happened?
Five words or less?
Draw down in Afghanistan accelerated.
Winning!
| 405 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:13:06pm |
| 406 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:13:38pm |
| 407 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:15:37pm |
re: #394 austin_blue
Yup. But not a good drinking song, like "99 bottles of beer on the wall".
| 408 |
goddamnedfrank Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:17:01pm |
re: #379 SanFranciscoZionist
There is that. Good point. I just always recall one of my dad's stories, about a bunch of American kids singing it together before jumping out of a plane over Nazi terroritory. Asked later why they didn't sing TSSB, one of the survivors said they didn't think of it.
And I guess "My Country 'Tis of Thee' is difficult because of the tune.
What about "Courtesy of the Red, White and Blue"?
//
It's too bad that America, Fuck Yeah hadn't been written yet.
America...
America...
America, FUCK YEAH!
Coming again, to save the mother fucking day yeah,
America, FUCK YEAH!
Freedom is the only way yeah,
Terrorist your game is through cause now you have to answer too,
America, FUCK YEAH!
So lick my butt, and suck on my balls,
America, FUCK YEAH!
What you going to do when we come for you now,
it’s the dream that we all share; it’s the hope for tomorrowFUCK YEAH!
McDonalds, FUCK YEAH!
Wal-Mart, FUCK YEAH!
The Gap, FUCK YEAH!
Baseball, FUCK YEAH!
NFL, FUCK, YEAH!
Rock and roll, FUCK YEAH!
The Internet, FUCK YEAH!
Slavery, FUCK YEAH!FUCK YEAH!
Starbucks, FUCK YEAH!
Disney world, FUCK YEAH!
Porno, FUCK YEAH!
Valium, FUCK YEAH!
Reeboks, FUCK YEAH!
Fake Tits, FUCK YEAH!
Sushi, FUCK YEAH!
Taco Bell, FUCK YEAH!
Rodeos, FUCK YEAH!
Bed bath and beyond (Fuck yeah, Fuck yeah)Liberty, FUCK YEAH!
White Slips, FUCK YEAH!
The Alamo, FUCK YEAH!
Band-aids, FUCK YEAH!
Las Vegas, FUCK YEAH!
Christmas, FUCK YEAH!
Immigrants, FUCK YEAH!
Popeye, FUCK YEAH!
Democrats, FUCK YEAH!
Republicans (republicans)
(fuck yeah, fuck yeah)
Sportsmanship
Books
| 409 |
freetoken Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:17:12pm |
Tomorrow there is a live chat (at Science magazine website) on:
Might be interesting.
I wonder if anyone will ask if the first humans were Adam and Eve?
| 410 |
Targetpractice Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:18:09pm |
re: #409 freetoken
Tomorrow there is a live chat (at Science magazine website) on:
Might be interesting.
I wonder if anyone will ask if the first humans were Adam and Eve?
First Human? Abe Vigoda.
//
| 411 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:18:30pm |
re: #408 goddamnedfrank
As I read... the tears of Patriotic Pride are flowing down my face.
| 412 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:19:19pm |
| 413 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:19:25pm |
re: #410 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
First Human? Abe Vigoda.
//
Second Human: Bea Arthur
Third: C (I can't think of a celebrity who's name begins with "c")
| 414 |
goddamnedfrank Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:21:07pm |
re: #411 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
As I read... the tears of Patriotic Pride are flowing down my face.
Fuck yeah!! We truly live in a golden age of eloquence and don't even realize it.
| 415 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:22:01pm |
re: #413 ggt
Second Human: Bea Arthur
Third: C (I can't think of a celebrity who's name begins with "c")
Clay Aiken!
| 416 |
freetoken Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:24:06pm |
The Lord High Denier's penchant for hard core Godwinism is forcing his political allies to distant themselves:
Monckton's Nazi jibe 'over the top': Abbott
Tony Abbott has moved to distance himself from controversial comments by British politician Lord Christopher Monckton, but says he is still happy to appear at an upcoming mining industry conference which will also host the prominent climate change sceptic.
Footage has been posted on the internet of a speech Lord Monckton gave to a conference in Los Angeles, where he displayed a Nazi swastika beside a quote from the Government's climate change adviser, Professor Ross Garnaut.
Lord Monckton compared statements made by Adolf Hitler to Professor Garnaut's suggestion that people should accept the mainstream science of climate change.
"That again is a fascist point of view, that you merely accept authority without question. Heil Hitler, on we go," he said.
Mr Abbott and Lord Monckton are both speaking at the Association of Mining and Exploration Companies (AMEC) conference in Perth next week, although they are appearing on different days.
Today, Mr Abbott said Lord Monckton's comments were "offensive and over the top, and I repudiate them".
He said he still planned to address the conference but had no plans to meet Lord Monckton while he was in Perth.
[...]
| 417 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:24:13pm |
Well, I have early morning puppy duty.
Have a great one all!
| 418 |
laZardo Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:24:21pm |
re: #413 ggt
Second Human: Bea Arthur
Third: C (I can't think of a celebrity who's name begins with "c")
Chuck Norris?
/there is no evolution, not because of "creationism" but because chuck norris has a list of creatures he decides should not die so quickly
//yeah, i know the facts are soooo 2007
| 419 |
goddamnedfrank Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:25:12pm |
re: #413 ggt
Second Human: Bea Arthur
Third: C (I can't think of a celebrity who's name begins with "c")
Count Chocula
| 420 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:30:21pm |
AMC's doing a pretty cool new thing. "Movie notes". Little tidbits in the bottom left corner on movies. Kind of like pop-up videos, but less obtrusive. If you aren't looking for them, you don't notice them.
Movie notes/Story notes/Plot notes/Script notes/Casting notes
Really. I think it's well done.
Like you care.
| 421 |
austin_blue Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:31:53pm |
re: #409 freetoken
Tomorrow there is a live chat (at Science magazine website) on:
Might be interesting.
I wonder if anyone will ask if the first humans were Adam and Eve?
The first human was the first zygote that ever formed on this planet! Because the first union of a sperm and an egg was the basis of all human life!
Because life begins at conception! And a human begins at conception!
Granted, almost 50% of fertilized eggs don't implant in the uterus or are spontaneously aborted by God, that douche, in the first three weeks, but that's when human life begins!
So these PEOPLE need rights! They should get a Christian burial! Oh, and a tax break for their parents. Because they were children who just didn't get born alive. Like the Constitution says is necessary for citizenship. Fuck that! Those founding fathers had no concept of human life!
| 422 |
freetoken Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:33:50pm |
Utah TV/media outlet picks up on a theme I broached downstairs:
Gore suggests population control as solution to global warming
At a women's conference in New York City, environmentalist and former vice president Al Gore suggested population control as one weapon of choice against global warming.
"You have to educate girls and empower women, and that's the most powerful leveraging factor. And when that happens, then the population begins to stabilize and societies begin to make better choices and more balanced choices," said Al Gore at the Games for Change Festival in NYC on Monday, June 20.Some call it hypocrisy on Gore's part, while others hail it as a practical solution to both climate and population control and worth taking note of.
Though he makes no mention of eugenics or imposing child-planning laws, and some have compared the suggestion to Ted Turner's call for a global one-child policy like that in China.
As reported by the LA Times, demographers at the United Nations forecast that the world population will reach 7 billion this year, exceed 9 billion in 2045 and pass 10 billion by the end of the century. This growth is expected to come in poor nations in Asia, Africa and Latin America.
Though Gore has recently received both praise and criticism for his disapproval of President Obama's approach toward global warming, it seems he has crossed a new line that has left many polarized.
Here's the video that is included in the article:
Which doesn't seem at all related to the headline of that article.
Read that headline again.
Yeah, I know... it's Utah.
| 423 |
freetoken Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:36:03pm |
In other words:
""You have to educate girls and empower women" == POPULATION CONTROL!! EUGENICS!!
| 424 |
Mocking Jay Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:37:49pm |
re: #422 freetoken
It makes more sense when you realize that some people don't want to educate girls and empower women...
| 425 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:38:32pm |
re: #318 laZardo
I'm calling it as another Iraq/Afghanistan/Vietnam already. Maybe it's senseless to leave them alone, but we've seen how "intervention" hasn't actually improved the parts of the world where we've actually intervened.
To say that is s to ignore the profound differences in the situation. Unlike in those other cases, we have zero boots on the ground. Moreover, Libya is a much more conventional war than Vietnam. There are normal front lines and in most cases known zones of control. Cease your America-bashing: Libya's the right fight. Senator McCain is right on that.re: #416 freetoken
The Lord High Denier's penchant for hard core Godwinism is forcing his political allies to distant themselves:
Monckton's the kind one should never meet except in the passing-tourist kind of way:
"Daddy, what that over there?"
"Lucy, that's what we call an 'Inbred, British Denier Buffoon'. Stay away from them, they throw inedible rolls called ironmongers when they get mad and they have cricket bats."
/Obviously kidding
| 426 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:38:35pm |
re: #422 freetoken
I doubt he was jumping on the Ted Turner "One Child Policy" nonsense. He has four freakin' kids, doesn't he?
| 427 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:42:14pm |
re: #423 freetoken
In other words:
""You have to educate girls and empower women" == POPULATION CONTROL!! EUGENICS!!
Stupid. Gore seems out of practice in public speaking. All he's done with this blurt-out is make the Dems look disunited. It's a Blue-on-Blue in both the military and political senses.
| 428 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:42:50pm |
Goodnight cow jumping over the moon. Goodnight light, and the red balloon.
| 429 |
ProGunLiberal Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:43:27pm |
re: #425 Dark_Falcon
I agree with you on 95% of everything here.
However, when I think Conventional War, I think Gulf War or Korean War.
This doesn't even measure up to Grenada.
| 430 |
Mocking Jay Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:44:07pm |
re: #429 ProLifeLiberal
I agree with you on 95% of everything here.
However, when I think Conventional War, I think Gulf War or Korean War.
This doesn't even measure up to Grenada.
Reminds me more of Kosovo.
| 431 |
boxhead Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:44:30pm |
re: #427 Dark_Falcon
Howdy all..
Stupid. Gore seems out of practice in public speaking. All he's done with this blurt-out is make the Dems look disunited. It's a Blue-on-Blue in both the military and political senses.
I believe I read a study that did support the notion that countries with equal rights for all, (I.e. women's rights), birth rates drop.
| 432 |
God of Binders with Women Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:46:45pm |
re: #429 ProLifeLiberal
I agree with you on 95% of everything here.
However, when I think Conventional War, I think Gulf War or Korean War.
This doesn't even measure up to Grenada.
Exactly. Though I believe GWB did say that this (WOT) wouldn't be the typical war where there's a surrender and a treaty signed on an aircraft carrier.
| 433 |
ProGunLiberal Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:48:00pm |
re: #430 JasonA
But even in Kosovo, we had ground troops. This is more like what we do in Pakistan and Yemen on steroids.
| 434 |
freetoken Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:48:15pm |
re: #427 Dark_Falcon
Gore is not the one who is equating educating women with POPULATION CONTROL!!
Rather, it is the KSL.com writers (and no doubt many of their audience) who are trying to paint Gore in this corner.
Gore is correct - when women are empowered they have smaller families, if the past 100 years or so of demographics means anything.
| 435 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:48:44pm |
re: #429 ProLifeLiberal
I agree with you on 95% of everything here.
However, when I think Conventional War, I think Gulf War or Korean War.
This doesn't even measure up to Grenada.
I should point out that the first part of #425 is a repost of something I posted above. That post caused Firefox to freeze, and when I restart Firefox after that it often posts the problem post again with my next posting.
| 436 |
Mocking Jay Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:48:57pm |
re: #433 ProLifeLiberal
But even in Kosovo, we had ground troops. This is more like what we do in Pakistan and Yemen on steroids.
We didn't have ground troops until the real hostilities were over though, right? Or am I remembering it wrong?
| 437 |
goddamnedfrank Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:49:21pm |
re: #432 Kid A
Exactly. Though I believe GWB did say that this (WOT) wouldn't be the typical war where there's a surrender and a treaty signed on an aircraft carrier.
The Missouri was a battleship.
/pedantic
| 438 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:49:37pm |
re: #434 freetoken
Gore is not the one who is equating educating women with POPULATION CONTROL!!
Rather, it is the KSL.com writers (and no doubt many of their audience) who are trying to paint Gore in this corner.
Gore is correct - when women are empowered they have smaller families, if the past 100 years or so of demographics means anything.
Excuse me, I misunderstood. What is KSL?
| 441 |
God of Binders with Women Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:51:10pm |
re: #437 goddamnedfrank
The Missouri was a battleship.
/pedantic
Exactly. Though I believe GWB did say that this (WOT) wouldn't be the typical war where there's a surrender and a treaty signed on an aircraft carrier battleship.
//fixed
| 442 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:51:33pm |
re: #437 goddamnedfrank
The Missouri was a battleship.
/pedantic
And one of a class specifically designed to fight a class of battlecruisers, the Japanese Kongo class. The Iowa class was designed to be able to match the Kongos for speed and outmatch them in armor and firepower.
| 443 |
boxhead Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:51:41pm |
re: #435 Dark_Falcon
I should point out that the first part of #425 is a repost of something I posted above. That post caused Firefox to freeze, and when I restart Firefox after that it often posts the problem post again with my next posting.
Hacker!
//
| 444 |
engineer cat Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:51:46pm |
re: #433 ProLifeLiberal
But even in Kosovo, we had ground troops. This is more like what we do in Pakistan and Yemen on steroids.
the pentagon of course is working on fully automating wars so that no americans would ever be in harm's way at all
i read a fascinating article on drone bomber operators raining down destruction a half a world away and then driving home for dinner
| 445 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:51:50pm |
| 446 |
Targetpractice Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:51:52pm |
re: #437 goddamnedfrank
The Missouri was a battleship.
/pedantic
That can't be right. Gov. Palin told me that the treaty was signed in Wasilla, by the Republican president, who gave us a speech telling us that the only thing we had to fear was socialism!
///
| 447 |
God of Binders with Women Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:52:03pm |
| 448 |
ProGunLiberal Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:53:06pm |
re: #436 JasonA
Actually, your right. I'm getting the occupation and the war itself mixed up.
| 449 |
goddamnedfrank Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:54:48pm |
re: #442 Dark_Falcon
And one of a class specifically designed to fight a class of battlecruisers, the Japanese Kongo class. The Iowa class was designed to be able to match the Kongos for speed and outmatch them in armor and firepower.
I dream of us putting the Mo back into service, upgraded with a reactor and rail-guns. America, Fuck Yeah!!
| 450 |
God of Binders with Women Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:55:54pm |
re: #442 Dark_Falcon
And one of a class specifically designed to fight a class of battlecruisers, the Japanese Kongo class. The Iowa class was designed to be able to match the Kongos for speed and outmatch them in armor and firepower.
Damn, Dark!! How do you know all this shit??!!
| 451 |
Shiplord Kirel Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:56:01pm |
re: #432 Kid A
Exactly. Though I believe GWB did say that this (WOT) wouldn't be the typical war where there's a surrender and a treaty signed on an aircraft carrier.
We got close with that ceremony on the USS Carl Vinson a few weeks ago, though the defeated enemy was in no condition to sign anything.
| 452 |
boxhead Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:56:48pm |
re: #437 goddamnedfrank
The Missouri was a battleship.
/pedantic
But, maybe Kid A was thinking about another speech in 2003 on the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln. :)
| 453 |
Mocking Jay Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:57:08pm |
re: #448 ProLifeLiberal
Actually, your right. I'm getting the occupation and the war itself mixed up.
I really hope this still just reminds me of Kosovo when it's all over...
| 454 |
God of Binders with Women Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:58:17pm |
re: #446 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
That can't be right. Gov. Palin told me that the treaty was signed in Wasilla, by the Republican president, who gave us a speech telling us that the only thing we had to fear was socialism!
///
I fear this more than socialism.
| 455 |
boxhead Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:58:36pm |
re: #450 Kid A
Damn, Dark!! How do you know all this shit??!!
probably the military or history channel. good stuff..
| 456 |
God of Binders with Women Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:58:54pm |
re: #452 boxhead
But, maybe Kid A was thinking about another speech in 2003 on the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln. :)
Mission Accomplished!!!
| 457 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Jun 22, 2011 9:59:46pm |
re: #449 goddamnedfrank
I dream of us putting the Mo back into service, upgraded with a reactor and rail-guns. America, Fuck Yeah!!
In their Posleen War series of books, John Ringo and Tom Kratman have old US gun-armed ships refitted for service to battle alien invaders. The only battleship shown so far is the Texas, which is destroyed defending Panama. But from what the books suggest, all preserved battleships are refitted for service. And yes, Frank, they get nuclear power: a modular pebble-bed reactor that is both powerful and safe.
/Just indulging a fellow Lizard's sci-fi needs.
| 458 |
boxhead Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:00:58pm |
| 459 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:01:44pm |
re: #450 Kid A
Damn, Dark!! How do you know all this shit??!!
I bought books on World War II ships. I have detailed descriptions for every battleship that fought in that war.
| 460 |
Targetpractice Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:02:30pm |
re: #459 Dark_Falcon
I bought books on World War II ships. I have detailed descriptions for every battleship that fought in that war.
Including the paper ships that never saw the light of day?
| 461 |
goddamnedfrank Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:02:37pm |
re: #452 boxhead
But, maybe Kid A was thinking about another speech in 2003 on the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln. :)
"I love the smell of President Crotch-Shot in the morning ... smells like, mission accomplished."
| 462 |
Shiplord Kirel Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:03:21pm |
re: #457 Dark_Falcon
In their Posleen War series of books, John Ringo and Tom Kratman have old US gun-armed ships refitted for service to battle alien invaders. The only battleship shown so far is the Texas, which is destroyed defending Panama. But from what the books suggest, all preserved battleships are refitted for service. And yes, Frank, they get nuclear power: a modular pebble-bed reactor that is both powerful and safe.
/Just indulging a fellow Lizard's sci-fi needs.
Next year will be the centennial of the USS Texas, if you go by launch date (first time afloat after all), May 18, 1912.
| 463 |
Mocking Jay Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:03:53pm |
re: #454 Kid A
Truly, a lyrical genius...
Gotta have my bowl, gotta have cereal
And I was especially enlightened by...
Yesterday was Thursday, Thursday
Today i-is Friday, Friday
The grammy cannot come fast enough, I think.
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lazardo Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:04:03pm |
re: #454 Kid A
I fear this more than socialism.
[Video]
MY GOD. HOW DOES SUCH A HORRIFIC MONSTROSITY EVEN EXIST IN THIS AGE.
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boxhead Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:04:12pm |
re: #461 goddamnedfrank
"I love the smell of President Crotch-Shot in the morning ... smells like, mission accomplished."
looks like a roll of quarters slipped out of the hole in someone's pocket... :p
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:04:17pm |
re: #459 Dark_Falcon
I bought books on World War II ships. I have detailed descriptions for every battleship that fought in that war.
The Mo was stationed for years in Bremerton, toured it two or three times when I was a kid.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:05:17pm |
re: #460 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Including the paper ships that never saw the light of day?
Yeah, even though. The British Lion-class, the projected US Montana-class, and even the planned Dutch 11-inch gunned battlecruisers.
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boxhead Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:05:21pm |
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Mocking Jay Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:05:22pm |
re: #464 lazardo
MY GOD. HOW DOES SUCH A HORRIFIC MONSTROSITY EVEN EXIST IN THIS AGE.
Zip it! She is doing more to educate our children than the public school system!
Tomorrow is Saturday
And Sunday comes afterwards
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God of Binders with Women Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:06:27pm |
re: #463 JasonA
Truly, a lyrical genius...
And I was especially enlightened by...
The grammy cannot come fast enough, I think.
Dear Rebecca Black,
We surrender.
Regards,
Radiohead.
///x1000
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:07:08pm |
re: #460 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Including the paper ships that never saw the light of day?
Montana class
In addition, two of the Iowa class, Illinois and Kentucky, were never completed.
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Targetpractice Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:08:47pm |
re: #471 Shiplord Kirel
Montana class
In addition, two of the Iowa class, Illinois and Kentucky, were never completed.
Kentucky came close to being completed, first as a conventional battleship, then as the world's only guided-missile battleship. But post-WWII cost-cutting ultimately reigned supreme and she got the axe. Thankfully, she was kind enough to donate her bow to the Wisconsin.
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boxhead Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:08:54pm |
re: #457 Dark_Falcon
*gives you the secret nerd scifi hand shake*
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God of Binders with Women Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:09:07pm |
re: #464 lazardo
MY GOD. HOW DOES SUCH A HORRIFIC MONSTROSITY EVEN EXIST IN THIS AGE.
I take exception to that!
XOXO,
Sarah in Wasilla.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:10:02pm |
re: #471 Shiplord Kirel
Montana class
In addition, two of the Iowa class, Illinois and Kentucky, were never completed.
Pity that the Kentucky was never finished. She would have been a fine command ship. Imagine if we'd had 16-inch guns off of Vietnam earlier. It might have given an edge in coastal fighting. Wouldn't have effected the overall course of the war, though.
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:11:49pm |
re: #468 boxhead
dang... that looks bad ass for 1912...
The Texas was briefly the most powerful ship in the world. Battleships were the Apollo Moon landing projects of the pre-WW1 era. Nations measured their status by how many they had and how good they were. They were the very cutting edge of technology in every respect, and the rivalry to have the newest and latest contributed heavily to growing international tensions. Ironically, the giant fleets of battleships played a comparatively minor role in the great war they helped instigate.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:12:49pm |
re: #475 Dark_Falcon
I'm more curious about the idea of a guided missile battleship myself.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:14:43pm |
re: #477 ProLifeLiberal
I'm more curious about the idea of a guided missile battleship myself.
A ship mounting both guided missiles and guns. The idea was to use the missiles for anti-shipping engagements, but retain heavy guns for shore bombardment.
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Targetpractice Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:15:57pm |
re: #476 Shiplord Kirel
The Texas was briefly the most powerful ship in the world. Battleships were the Apollo Moon landing projects of the pre-WW1 era. Nations measured their status by how many they had and how good they were. They were the very cutting edge of technology in every respect, and the rivalry to have the newest and latest contributed heavily to growing international tensions. Ironically, the giant fleets of battleships played a comparatively minor role in the great war they helped instigate.
Yep, despite all the great naval minds of the time predicting that wars could be decided upon via decisive naval battles, the one truly major battle ended up being inconclusive. Then, come WWII, the aircraft carrier came into its own as the big ship of major navies and that was all she wrote for the battleship. Even during the course of that war, there was only ever one battleship-on-battleship battle.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:15:59pm |
re: #478 Dark_Falcon
Holy Hell. That sounds like good idea for TODAY.
Put railguns instead of regular cannons, and we're good to go.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:17:27pm |
re: #476 Shiplord Kirel
The Texas was briefly the most powerful ship in the world. Battleships were the Apollo Moon landing projects of the pre-WW1 era. Nations measured their status by how many they had and how good they were. They were the very cutting edge of technology in every respect, and the rivalry to have the newest and latest contributed heavily to growing international tensions. Ironically, the giant fleets of battleships played a comparatively minor role in the great war they helped instigate.
The works of Robert Massie provide a good historical account of the matters Kirel speak of. Read Dreadnought to learn about the buildup and how it helped lead to war, and Castles of Steel to read about World War I at sea.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:19:18pm |
I should clarify the reason why I thought we had troops in Kosovo. It was this story.
In 1999, he served as an armoured reconnaissance officer in the NATO deployment in Kosovo. Initially assigned to reconnaissance of the Macedonia-Yugoslavia border, Blunt and his unit worked ahead of the front lines directing forces and targeting Serb positions for the NATO bombing campaign. His unit was given the assignment of securing the Pristina International Airport in advance of the 30,000-strong peacekeeping force; the Russian army had moved in and taken control of the airport before his unit's arrival. According to Blunt's own account of the incident he refused to follow orders from NATO command to attack the Russians.[12] There were less intense moments during Blunt's Kosovo assignment, however. Blunt had brought along his guitar, strapped to the outside of his tank. At some places, the peacekeepers would share a meal with hospitable locals, and Blunt would perform. It was while on duty there that he wrote the song "No Bravery".
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lazardo Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:21:01pm |
re: #480 ProLifeLiberal
Holy Hell. That sounds like good idea for TODAY.
Put railguns instead of regular cannons, and we're good to go.
...I'm still waiting on IRL LOICs. The SDI promised us those, dammit! ;_;
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:21:09pm |
re: #454 Kid A
I fear this more than socialism.
[Video]
A friend of mine, Ethan Newberry made a hilarious parody of that.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:21:40pm |
re: #480 ProLifeLiberal
Holy Hell. That sounds like good idea for TODAY.
Put railguns instead of regular cannons, and we're good to go.
Yeah, but is it worthwhile to keep a vessel like that in service is the real question. It's a huge cost for a questionable gain.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:22:17pm |
re: #479 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Yep, despite all the great naval minds of the time predicting that wars could be decided upon via decisive naval battles, the one truly major battle ended up being inconclusive. Then, come WWII, the aircraft carrier came into its own as the big ship of major navies and that was all she wrote for the battleship. Even during the course of that war, there was only ever one battleship-on-battleship battle.
Untrue. There were several: Bismarck and Prinz Eugen against Hood and Prince of Whales in 1941, South Dakota and Washington versus Kirishima in 1942, and of course the Battle of Surigao Straight* in 1944, which saw American battleship gunfire blow the Japanese BB Yamashiro (her name meant "Mountain Castle") out of the water. But even at Surigao lighter units played a key role. But of course they'd done so at Jutland as well.
*: The Battle of Surigao Straight was one part of the larger Battle of Leyte Gulf.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:24:07pm |
re: #485 JasonA
Make plans for a ship such as that so we can build them quickly if China begins to really get out of hand.
We are seeing their true colors now with Vietnam and Japan. Fortunately, China has ticked off many of the nations in the region. And China's already beginning to show cracks.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:25:04pm |
re: #486 Dark_Falcon
What happened to the Hood was horrible, horrible luck, at least to some extent.
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boxhead Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:25:12pm |
re: #480 ProLifeLiberal
Holy Hell. That sounds like good idea for TODAY.
Put railguns instead of regular cannons, and we're good to go.
That is actually happening.... (you did not hear that from me)
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Mocking Jay Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:25:42pm |
re: #487 ProLifeLiberal
Make plans for a ship such as that so we can build them quickly if China begins to really get out of hand.
We are seeing their true colors now with Vietnam and Japan. Fortunately, China has ticked off many of the nations in the region. And China's already beginning to show cracks.
What kind of range can you get out of a railgun?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:27:21pm |
re: #431 boxhead
Howdy all..
I believe I read a study that did support the notion that countries with equal rights for all, (I.e. women's rights), birth rates drop.
Women who are able to will generally limit their childbearing at least somewhat, if only to space out pregnancies.
In the good old days in the caves, you just bit Grok every time he tried it on, until the baby was weaned, but at some point the men got uppity.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:28:13pm |
re: #450 Kid A
Damn, Dark!! How do you know all this shit??!!
My dad is like that. I'm in awe of his knowledge, but I can't follow half of it.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:28:54pm |
re: #486 Dark_Falcon
My favorite Pacific engagement is the Battle off Samar.
USS Samuel B. Roberts - "the destroyer escort that fought like a battleship."
At 07:35, Roberts turned and headed toward the battle. She charged toward the heavy cruiser Chōkai. The commanding officer, Copeland, announced "We're making a torpedo run. The outcome is doubtful, but we will do our duty." With smoke as cover, Roberts steamed to within 2.5 nmi (4.6 km; 2.9 mi) of Chōkai, coming under fire from the cruiser's forward 8 in (203.2 mm) guns.
Roberts had moved so close, the enemy gunners couldn't move their guns low enough to hit her, the shells simply passing overhead. Many hit the carrier Gambier Bay. Once within torpedo range, she launched her three Mark 15 torpedoes. One blew off Chōkai's bow. The American sailors cheered "that a way Whitey, we hit 'em" as if it were ballgame, as shells were still incoming. Roberts then fought with the Japanese ships for a further hour, firing more than six hundred 5 in (127.0 mm) shells, and while maneuvering at very close range, mauling Chōkai's superstructure with her 40 mm and 20 mm anti-aircraft guns. At 08:51, the Japanese landed two hits, the second of which destroyed the aft gun turret. With her remaining 5 in (127.0 mm) gun, Roberts set the bridge of the heavy cruiser Chikuma on fire and destroyed the "Number Three" gun turret, before being hit by three 14 in (355.6 mm) shells from the battleship Kongō. The shells tore a hole 40 ft (12.2 m) long and 10 ft (3.0 m) wide in the port side of her second engine room.
Gunner's mate Paul H. Carr was in charge of the aft 5 in (127.0 mm) gun mount, which had fired nearly all of its 325 stored rounds in 35 minutes before a breech explosion. Carr was found dying at his station, begging for help loading the last round he was holding into the breech. He was awarded a Silver Star, and a guided missile frigate was later named for him.[3] The USS Copeland (FFG-25) and Samuel B. Roberts (FFG-58) guided missile frigates were also named for the ship and its captain. At 09:35, the order was given to abandon ship. She sank 30 minutes later, with 89 of her sailors.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:29:23pm |
re: #490 JasonA
300-400 km roughly, if Wikipedia is sourcing correctly.
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Targetpractice Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:29:31pm |
re: #486 Dark_Falcon
Untrue. There were several: Bismarck and Prinz Eugen against Hood and Prince of Whales in 1941, South Dakota and Washington versus Kirishima in 1942, and of course the Battle of Surigao Straight* in 1944, which saw American battleship gunfire blow the Japanese BB Yamashiro (her name meant "Mountain Castle") out of the water. But even at Surigao lighter units played a key role. But of course they'd done so at Jutland as well.
*: The Battle of Surigao Straight was one part of the larger Battle of Leyte Gulf.
It was South Dakota/Washington vs. Kirishima at the Battle of Guadalcanal that I was thinking of as the only battle.
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boxhead Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:29:39pm |
re: #491 SanFranciscoZionist
Women who are able to will generally limit their childbearing at least somewhat, if only to space out pregnancies.
In the good old days in the caves, you just bit Grok every time he tried it on, until the baby was weaned, but at some point the men got uppity.
Ugh, Grok say woman must stay in cave near meat burning fire. no mammoth skin for foots. must have large belly holding baby! ugh
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:30:02pm |
re: #459 Dark_Falcon
I bought books on World War II ships. I have detailed descriptions for every battleship that fought in that war.
My dad has a giant illustrated history of guns that he reads in the bathroom.
Not kidding. If you go into my parents' bathroom, you will find a giant illustrated history of guns conveniently available for you to peruse, where most people put comic books or magazines.
I don't know how I turned out like I did, namely, not all that interested in guns.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:30:13pm |
re: #488 ProLifeLiberal
What happened to the Hood was horrible, horrible luck, at least to some extent.
And bad design. She paid the price for Admiral Lord Fisher's decision to favor speed and firepower over armor, coupled with the British refusal to adopt the American "all or nothing" scheme of protection. Had Hood been armored on "all or nothing" principles (which meant only armoring a location is it could be armored enough to stop the heaviest hits the ship could be expected to take), she would have had a much better chance.
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Targetpractice Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:30:29pm |
re: #493 goddamnedfrank
My favorite Pacific engagement is the Battle off Samar.
USS Samuel B. Roberts - "the destroyer escort that fought like a battleship."
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:31:07pm |
re: #493 goddamnedfrank
Most badass ship and crew in US and World history. Bar none.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:31:10pm |
re: #464 lazardo
MY GOD. HOW DOES SUCH A HORRIFIC MONSTROSITY EVEN EXIST IN THIS AGE.
I think it's BECAUSE of this age. Cheap professional-looking technology.
And over-indulgent parents.
As a tie-in to a bat mitzvah invitation it might have been cute.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:31:43pm |
Okay, this is actually pretty sweet.
On January 31, 2008 the US Navy tested a railgun that fired a shell at 10.64 MJ with a muzzle velocity of 2,520 m/s.[17] Its expected performance is a muzzle velocity over 5,800 m/s, accurate enough to hit a 5 meter target over 200 nautical miles (370.4 km) away while firing at 10 shots per minute. The power was provided by a new 9-megajoule (MJ) prototype capacitor bank using solid-state switches and high-energy-density capacitors delivered in 2007 and an older 32-MJ pulse power system from the US Army’s Green Farm Electric Gun Research and Development Facility developed in the late 1980s that was previously refurbished by General Atomics Electromagnetic Systems (EMS) Division.[18] It is expected to be ready between 2020 to 2025.[19]
The most recent test of a railgun took place on December 10, 2010, by the US Navy at the Naval Surface Warfare Center Dahlgren Division.[20] During the test, the Office of Naval Research set a world record by conducting a 33 MJ shot from the railgun, which was built by BAE Systems.[21][22]
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boxhead Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:32:28pm |
re: #490 JasonA
What kind of range can you get out of a railgun?
from what I have heard is that the inert, hypersonic accelerated shells reach very high altitudes and slam down with a force that exceeds most conventional ordinance.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:32:30pm |
re: #495 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
It was South Dakota/Washington vs. Kirishima at the Battle of Guadalcanal that I was thinking of as the only battle.
Well, even there the smaller vessel played a role, even if it was only the threat of torpedo attacks. Though on the Japanese side such a threat was quite deadly, as IJN torpedoes were the best in the world in 1942.
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Targetpractice Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:36:22pm |
re: #504 Dark_Falcon
Well, even there the smaller vessel played a role, even if it was only the threat of torpedo attacks. Though on the Japanese side such a threat was quite deadly, as IJN torpedoes were the best in the world in 1942.
Meanwhile, our own forces were firing Mk. 14s that might as well have been blanks, for all the problems that we had with them.
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ProGunLiberal Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:37:02pm |
re: #505 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I'm not up on this sort of stuff. How bad are we talking and why?
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:37:16pm |
My wife's great grandfather (1879-1955) joined the US Navy straight off the family's east Texas farm in 1897. He served aboard the battleship Oregon during the Spanish-American war, including its epic dash around Cape Horn to join the fleet off Cuba and later at the Battle of Santiago.
The ship was awe-inspiring for a country boy of the time, his first experience with things like electric lights, flush toilets, hot showers (!), and telephones. He was actually most impressed by the ship's ice-making machine, an unheard of luxury at the time and a very popular one in the tropics.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:38:10pm |
re: #505 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Meanwhile, our own forces were firing Mk. 14s that might as well have been blanks, for all the problems that we had with them.
An early case of the procurement establishment working to cover itself to disastrous results.
I need to get to bed. Great talk all, and goodnight.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:43:23pm |
re: #506 ProLifeLiberal
I'm not up on this sort of stuff. How bad are we talking and why?
The Mark 14 had four major flaws.
-It tended to run about 10 feet (3.0 m) deeper than set.
-The magnetic exploder often caused premature firing.
-The contact exploder often failed to fire the warhead.
I-t tended to run "circular", failing to straighten its run once set on its prescribed gyro-angle setting, and instead, to run in a large circle, thus returning to strike the firing ship.
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Targetpractice Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:43:34pm |
re: #506 ProLifeLiberal
I'm not up on this sort of stuff. How bad are we talking and why?
Bad. Captains were firing them off by the truckload and coming back with little or no luck. As to why, basically general incompetence, compounded by efforts to cover up said incompetence. The Depression-era Navy decided they needed a new torpedo, relying upon a sophisticated magnetic detonator that was built under such tight security that the only maintenance manual was locked in a safe. Then, when it came time to test it, the weapons testing officer refused to allow live-fire testing, which would have picked up the mechanical faults. And finally, when captains started reporting problems with the torpedoes during the war itself, the officers responsible for designing the torpedo accused the captains of being too stupid to aim straight.
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freetoken Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:43:57pm |
Don't know how many of you caught Zina Saunder's video cartoon on Bachmann - it is as brutal as it is funny and on target:
I don't see how to embed it, so you'll need to go the link and check it out:
[Link: motherjones.com...]
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boxhead Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:48:17pm |
re: #507 Shiplord Kirel
My wife's great grandfather (1879-1955) joined the US Navy straight off the family's east Texas farm in 1897. He served aboard the battleship Oregon during the Spanish-American war, including its epic dash around Cape Horn to join the fleet off Cuba and later at the Battle of Santiago.
The ship was awe-inspiring for a country boy of the time, his first experience with things like electric lights, flush toilets, hot showers (!), and telephones. He was actually most impressed by the ship's ice-making machine, an unheard of luxury at the time and a very popular one in the tropics.
I just read about that battle.... wow... thanks for bringing it to my attention.
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boxhead Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:52:00pm |
re: #511 freetoken
Don't know how many of you caught Zina Saunder's video cartoon on Bachmann - it is as brutal as it is funny and on target:
I don't see how to embed it, so you'll need to go the link and check it out:
[Link: motherjones.com...]
A motherjones link... heh... don't see them here that often.
*flashes secret MJ gang sign*
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boxhead Wed, Jun 22, 2011 10:57:14pm |
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SpaceJesus Wed, Jun 22, 2011 11:09:59pm |
USA v. Mexico in finals of Gold Cup this Saturday.
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boxhead Wed, Jun 22, 2011 11:11:30pm |
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Jun 22, 2011 11:12:10pm |
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Jun 22, 2011 11:13:14pm |
re: #519 goddamnedfrank
Also, put the lotion in the basket.
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SpaceJesus Wed, Jun 22, 2011 11:16:01pm |
re: #518 boxhead
the liver is the primary organ i use to process space beer and space whiskey
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boxhead Wed, Jun 22, 2011 11:18:37pm |
re: #522 SpaceJesus
the liver is the primary organ i use to process space beer and space whiskey
ahhh... I am with you then.
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boxhead Wed, Jun 22, 2011 11:21:02pm |
re: #516 SpaceJesus
USA v. Mexico in finals of Gold Cup this Saturday.
nice... 6pm PDT, Rose Bowl, Fox Soccer channel and Univision. Should be quite the event!
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boxhead Wed, Jun 22, 2011 11:30:43pm |
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boxhead Wed, Jun 22, 2011 11:57:58pm |
Seems either my timing is horrible, or I have a real skill in killing LGF threads. Damn, if the latter, I should get paid by GOP nuts achieving this. All unintentionally.
//
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Alexzander Thu, Jun 23, 2011 12:02:03am |
re: #527 boxhead
I sometimes wonder if I have the same effect. But I wouldn't worry; LGF is pretty quiet and night, and it seems the past few days have also been pretty light in general.
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boxhead Thu, Jun 23, 2011 12:08:57am |
re: #528 Alexzander
I sometimes wonder if I have the same effect. But I wouldn't worry; LGF is pretty quiet and night, and it seems the past few days have also been pretty light in general.
yeah... my free posting times are not very optimal. I wonder if Charles can provide a graph showing the number of posts, per user over time.
hmm, actually that might make me look like a non sleeping loser... lol
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jun 23, 2011 12:14:19am |
re: #528 Alexzander
I sometimes wonder if I have the same effect. But I wouldn't worry; LGF is pretty quiet and night, and it seems the past few days have also been pretty light in general.
That's because yours truly has been laying off the sauce and putting in extra hours at work, cadging for a promotion (which just came through, by the way!).
In honor of the great good news, I've taken tonight off, and am celebrating with my new favorite tipple - black coffee and bourbon (tonight it's Old Grandad - a very cheap, and yet very good bourbon for such drinks - it has a very nice sweetness to it).
Oh, and ni man hao, folks!
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boxhead Thu, Jun 23, 2011 12:16:48am |
re: #530 Guanxi88
That's because yours truly has been laying off the sauce and putting in extra hours at work, cadging for a promotion (which just came through, by the way!).
In honor of the great good news, I've taken tonight off, and am celebrating with my new favorite tipple - black coffee and bourbon (tonight it's Old Grandad - a very cheap, and yet very good bourbon for such drinks - it has a very nice sweetness to it).
Oh, and ni man hao, folks!
Oh Lord No! I had my first, only real two day hangover due to Old Grandad. Day one, I wanted to die. Day two, normal BAD hangover.
arrrrrr
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jun 23, 2011 12:17:46am |
Been beastly hot here in Guadalupe County, Texas. We had 3 days running of 100+ days, finally broken by a good 10 hour rainstorm (first rain in probably 3 months) that pierced the drought to the root (to paraphrase Chaucer) and also soaked my car's upholstery.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jun 23, 2011 12:19:08am |
re: #531 boxhead
Oh Lord No! I had my first, only real two day hangover due to Old Grandad. Day one, I wanted to die. Day two, normal BAD hangover.
arrr
That's what the coffee's for - if you start drinking your cure when you start drinking the disease, you'll be fine. Right?
(Have a similar aversion to Bushmill - drinking a fifth of that on an empty stomach landed me in the hospital; to this day, I cannot stand scotch, much to my regret.)
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jun 23, 2011 12:21:29am |
All right, I see we're going to have to do something to get these lurkers to join in. I'm thinking music.
Whaddaya think? A bit of a torch song, as sung by an angelically hot German chanteuse, or perhaps a good old drinking song?
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boxhead Thu, Jun 23, 2011 12:24:14am |
re: #533 Guanxi88
That's what the coffee's for - if you start drinking your cure when you start drinking the disease, you'll be fine. Right?
(Have a similar aversion to Bushmill - drinking a fifth of that on an empty stomach landed me in the hospital; to this day, I cannot stand scotch, much to my regret.)
LOL.... Cutty Shark did me in as well. Bother events happened near 25 years ago and only in the last few years have I gotten over Scotch. Bourbon 10 years, but good bourbon, not like Black Label Jack.
Living in Los Angeles, weather has been standard June gloom. But I think heat is coming up.... I am not a fan of heat when trying to sleep... :p
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boxhead Thu, Jun 23, 2011 12:25:19am |
re: #533 Guanxi88
That's what the coffee's for - if you start drinking your cure when you start drinking the disease, you'll be fine. Right?
(Have a similar aversion to Bushmill - drinking a fifth of that on an empty stomach landed me in the hospital; to this day, I cannot stand scotch, much to my regret.)
Oh, BTW, Bushmills is Irish Whiskey! You trying to start a fight? lol
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jun 23, 2011 12:25:22am |
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boxhead Thu, Jun 23, 2011 12:26:37am |
re: #534 Guanxi88
All right, I see we're going to have to do something to get these lurkers to join in. I'm thinking music.
Whaddaya think? A bit of a torch song, as sung by an angelically hot German chanteuse, or perhaps a good old drinking song?
I am game.... What is a good American drinking song? And no hundred of bottles of beer on the wall. :p
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jun 23, 2011 12:29:38am |
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SpaceJesus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 12:33:31am |
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boxhead Thu, Jun 23, 2011 12:33:49am |
re: #539 Guanxi88
Drinking Song:
The Moonshiner, as performed by the Clancy Brothers:
[Video]
LOL... how about "Barnacle Bill the Sailor"?
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SpaceJesus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 12:35:52am |
drinking song? america? any oi band ever
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jun 23, 2011 12:36:14am |
re: #538 boxhead
I am game... What is a good American drinking song? And no hundred of bottles of beer on the wall. :p
American, huh? I've got a few for you:
Whiskey River:
Rye Whiskey:
And, Maine's Drinking Song, as performed by Rudy Vallee:
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mdey Thu, Jun 23, 2011 12:37:05am |
re: #538 boxhead
Good American drinking songs. Pretty much anything by Hank III. Just offhand, Six Pack of Beer, Crazed Country Rebel, Punch Fight Fuck, My Drinking Problem.
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boxhead Thu, Jun 23, 2011 12:37:06am |
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jun 23, 2011 12:40:13am |
It's a long way to Tipperary:
(okay, it's an English song, but we Yanks can use it, too)
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jun 23, 2011 12:41:45am |
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boxhead Thu, Jun 23, 2011 12:44:11am |
How could I have forgotten Margaritaville?
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jun 23, 2011 12:45:30am |
I grew up in moonshine country (Southern appalachia) and most of what I always thought of as "mountain music" was in fact traditional Irish; hence the reason I got along so well with the Irish when I was up in Beantown. I knew the songs their grandfathers used to sing.
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boxhead Thu, Jun 23, 2011 12:49:36am |
Here is a punk song that I really love by Black Flag called Six Pack.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jun 23, 2011 12:50:26am |
re: #549 Guanxi88
I grew up in moonshine country (Southern appalachia) and most of what I always thought of as "mountain music" was in fact traditional Irish; hence the reason I got along so well with the Irish when I was up in Beantown. I knew the songs their grandfathers used to sing.
Quite a thing, to be downing pints and drams with big neckless urban Irish thugs and see them stop cold when the scrawny guy with the black hair and the hooked nose starts into a drunken rendition of "Mad Rover" or "Lord Randal" when he gets deep enough in his cups.
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boxhead Thu, Jun 23, 2011 12:51:47am |
re: #550 boxhead
Here is a punk song that I really love by Black Flag called Six Pack.
[Video]
Listening to Circle Jerks now...
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jun 23, 2011 12:54:03am |
All right - i'm a lousy conversationalist this evening, so I'm gonna go smoke my pipe and see what sort of trouble I can get into.
Take care.
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boxhead Thu, Jun 23, 2011 12:57:04am |
re: #551 Guanxi88
Quite a thing, to be downing pints and drams with big neckless urban Irish thugs and see them stop cold when the scrawny guy with the black hair and the hooked nose starts into a drunken rendition of "Mad Rover" or "Lord Randal" when he gets deep enough in his cups.
I like Bluegrass, which I believe has its roots in Irish music.
There is a newer band from England called Mumford and Sons. They have a bit of a Celtic sound to them. This song is The Cave.
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boxhead Thu, Jun 23, 2011 12:57:20am |
re: #553 Guanxi88
All right - i'm a lousy conversationalist this evening, so I'm gonna go smoke my pipe and see what sort of trouble I can get into.
Take care.
nite
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 1:37:33am |
Morning Honcos. It's actually not hot while the sun is still waiting to rise and it is suppose to rain today, thank God. Might have to get in a small jaunt and get myself some half and half before the rains come. But I'll decide after I have this cuppa.
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boxhead Thu, Jun 23, 2011 1:40:15am |
re: #557 Cannadian Club Akbar
Morning Honcos. It's actually not hot while the sun is still waiting to rise and it is suppose to rain today, thank God. Might have to get in a small jaunt and get myself some half and half before the rains come. But I'll decide after I have this cuppa.
morning smorning.... I am just getting ready for bed... lol
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 1:44:40am |
re: #559 boxhead
morning smorning... I am just getting ready for bed... lol
I got in my 6 hours. Woke up. Wasn't tired. The heat down here really takes it outta ya.
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boxhead Thu, Jun 23, 2011 2:07:20am |
Our first heat wave is due this week, although not along the coast where I live. But they will come. they always do... and as I age, I seem less tolerant of them.
either that or this dag burned global warming it real! :)
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freetoken Thu, Jun 23, 2011 2:09:45am |
Since this thread is nominally about Afghanistan...
The BBC has been airing a series looking at the 10 year history of the (contemporary) war in that country, and the latest episode:
Afghanistan: War without End?
(viewable online only in the UK... but if you can find a sophisticated enough proxy you might be able to view it)
The episode takes a pretty sour look at the overall strategy in Afghanistan by the coalition, not only the American overall lack of understanding but in particular the British government's total miscalculation of what it would take in Helmand province.
Pretty damning overall. The previous and current UK leadership come off looking as fairly inept due to their distance from reality, the Bush administration comes of as being out of touch, Obama fairs a bit better but still the question lingers as to how it all will come out in the end.
IMO, which I've held for some time, is that Bush's refusal of acknowledging nation building, the phrase itself as well as the inevitable requirement for it, summarizes quite well the heart of the problem.
Too many American leaders and the general public downplay the difficulty of achieving anything positive that can last.
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spocomptonite Thu, Jun 23, 2011 2:14:32am |
re: #76 Charles
Ultimately it's going to have to be the Afghans who decide what kind of society they live in, because the people living there are the only ones who can make that happen permanently.
But I always thought the purpose of going to Afghanistan was 1) killing/capturing Osama bin Laden, and 2) making sure terrorists could not establish a base there again.
If those objectives have been accomplished, there's no need to have 80-100,000 troops and spend the incredible amounts of money it takes to keep them there.
Ten Years After.
If history is any guide, invading and then leaving a country just causes all sorts of problems. This is part of the reason of how the Taliban got started during/after the Soviet invasion, how Nazi Germany grew from the ashes of post WWI Germany, and why the problem of Iraq didn't really change after the Gulf War.
I'm as much anti-war and bring-the-troops home as the next guy, but IMO if we have to invade someone, then we do it right and we spend the time and resources cleaning up the resultant mess instead of handing a semi-destroyed country back over to resource-less refugees with a slap on the back and a "sucks to be you" once we've gotten what we needed out of the conflict. That will only breed the very thing we tried to eliminate by invading Afghanistan in the first place.
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boxhead Thu, Jun 23, 2011 2:20:24am |
re: #562 freetoken
Too many American leaders and the general public downplay the difficulty of achieving anything positive that can last.
I think part of the issue is that the majority of the public truly do not understand the underlying political structure that exists within Afghanistan. Nor are they familiar with the very difficult terrain and other geological based hardships. The Taliban was successful in part due to harsh tactics. We don't want to do that. We do not have the tribal based influence to even begin. As an example, if Rome, Genghis Khan, etc had to solve this problem, I think massive bloodshed would be used. Again, we will not, and should not do this. Thus, we should just leave....
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boxhead Thu, Jun 23, 2011 2:26:37am |
re: #563 spocomptonite
If history is any guide, invading and then leaving a country just causes all sorts of problems. This is part of the reason of how the Taliban got started during/after the Soviet invasion, how Nazi Germany grew from the ashes of post WWI Germany, and why the problem of Iraq didn't really change after the Gulf War.
I'm as much anti-war and bring-the-troops home as the next guy, but IMO if we have to invade someone, then we do it right and we spend the time and resources cleaning up the resultant mess instead of handing a semi-destroyed country back over to resource-less refugees with a slap on the back and a "sucks to be you" once we've gotten what we needed out of the conflict. That will only breed the very thing we tried to eliminate by invading Afghanistan in the first place.
A lot of intelligence reports released suggests that we could have avoided the whole reason to invade Afghanistan. But, alas, that is a futile thread to pursue. So we are faced with, "Now what?" I have read nothing that suggests any rebuilding will be successful with the current Afghan security protecting it. How could we have been so stupid to get stuck in this morass?
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researchok Thu, Jun 23, 2011 2:58:04am |
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boxhead Thu, Jun 23, 2011 3:03:02am |
re: #566 researchok
Morning, all
howdy... late night for me.... drunk friend having cheating GF problems calling/txting me for advice/consoling cause she is at his house and won't leave....... arrr hell, what are friends for.. :)
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boxhead Thu, Jun 23, 2011 3:04:23am |
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researchok Thu, Jun 23, 2011 3:05:28am |
re: #568 boxhead
howdy... late night for me... drunk friend having cheating GF problems calling/txting me for advice/consoling cause she is at his house and won't leave... arrr hell, what are friends for.. :)
Good luck...
Your friend's cheating GF's and booze mean at some point you'll be blamed for something.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 3:06:04am |
re: #568 boxhead
howdy... late night for me... drunk friend having cheating GF problems calling/txting me for advice/consoling cause she is at his house and won't leave... arrr hell, what are friends for.. :)
Tell him to call the cops, tell them the situation and that he just wants her to leave.
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researchok Thu, Jun 23, 2011 3:07:06am |
re: #568 boxhead
howdy... late night for me... drunk friend having cheating GF problems calling/txting me for advice/consoling cause she is at his house and won't leave... arrr hell, what are friends for.. :)
Still won't work for me.
My sound is OK- the video comes through OK
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 3:07:32am |
re: #570 researchok
Good luck...
Your friend's cheating GF's and booze mean at some point you'll be blamed for something.
I fucking get blamed for all kinds of shit. I don't even argue anymore. I just look at whoever and say, "OK. Anything else"? Fuck 'em.
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boxhead Thu, Jun 23, 2011 3:07:45am |
re: #570 researchok
Good luck...
Your friend's cheating GF's and booze mean at some point you'll be blamed for something.
not me... he is already done with her... just does not know how to get her out of house.... both early to mid 20's. ahh, youth... lol
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researchok Thu, Jun 23, 2011 3:08:20am |
re: #573 Cannadian Club Akbar
I fucking get blamed for all kinds of shit. I don't even argue anymore. I just look at whoever and say, "OK. Anything else"? Fuck 'em.
All I do is show up and I get blamed...
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researchok Thu, Jun 23, 2011 3:09:29am |
re: #574 boxhead
not me... he is already done with her... just does not know how to get her out of house... both early to mid 20's. ahh, youth... lol
Toss her clothes in a garbage bage bag, toss it out on the front lawn.
When she goes for it, lock the door.
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boxhead Thu, Jun 23, 2011 3:09:51am |
re: #572 researchok
Still won't work for me.
My sound is OK- the video comes through OK
video? post 556 is just a mp3 link, no video.
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boxhead Thu, Jun 23, 2011 3:13:30am |
this was just the start of, what my friend thought was love. For him it was. She does not, and has not lived with him. His dumb ass just opened the door at 3AM and let her in. He does not want cops either. So I said either let her sleep on couch, or have good bye sex.. PROTECTED.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 3:14:29am |
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RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 3:15:08am |
re: #579 boxhead
this was just the start of, what my friend thought was love. For him it was. She does not, and has not lived with him. His dumb ass just opened the door at 3AM and let her in. He does not want cops either. So I said either let her sleep on couch, or have
good byegrudge-fuck sex.. PROTECTED.
FTFY
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spocomptonite Thu, Jun 23, 2011 3:15:21am |
re: #565 boxhead
A lot of intelligence reports released suggests that we could have avoided the whole reason to invade Afghanistan. But, alas, that is a futile thread to pursue. So we are faced with, "Now what?" I have read nothing that suggests any rebuilding will be successful with the current Afghan security protecting it. How could we have been so stupid to get stuck in this morass?
Kind of my philosophy. I was lukewarm about Afghanistan and downright dumbfounded that Iraq happened (the second one), but we can't change the past. Now that we're in this I mean these messes, pretty much our options are spend some serious time and money transitioning a country from conquered to self-sufficient, or leave them with a shattered country and a bitterness over the war that will only come back to bite us later in the future. Whether we can successfully accomplish the former in two countries we've already had badly-handled post-conflicts with in the past, I don't know.
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boxhead Thu, Jun 23, 2011 3:18:08am |
cool... 15 min since his last txt.... arrr... now she is threatening to call cops.... times like these I love being old...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 3:20:34am |
re: #584 boxhead
cool... 15 min since his last txt... arrr... now she is threatening to call cops... times like these I love being old...
If she does, he should tell her to get the fuck out before they get there, if he hasn't already. Fuck her, it's his place. As long as her name isn't on the bills he's fine. Unless she pulls the "he hit me" card.
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boxhead Thu, Jun 23, 2011 3:22:57am |
re: #585 Cannadian Club Akbar
If she does, he should tell her to get the fuck out before they get there, if he hasn't already. Fuck her, it's his place. As long as her name isn't on the bills he's fine. Unless she pulls the "he hit me" card.
he is too drunk to drive... she left but I am going to get him...LOL this will be a very interesting night ... later all
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freetoken Thu, Jun 23, 2011 3:24:13am |
re: #567 researchok
No sound here.
Tried a few times.
Works ok for me.
However, it plays for me in the LGF Spy version of this thread. When opening my post in its own window all I get for the Flash player is a white box. Is that the problem you're having.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 3:25:03am |
I remember back in about 1989, a friend broke up with his GF. He had a grand in the bank. Called me every night to go out to the strip clubs. The grand lasted a month.
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freetoken Thu, Jun 23, 2011 3:26:34am |
re: #563 spocomptonite
... but IMO if we have to invade someone, then we do it right and we spend the time and resources cleaning up the resultant mess ...
The BBC show made it sound like the British government is particular has been treating Afghanistan all along like the (somewhat mythical) way the US treated the Vietnam conflict before Nixon.
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RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 3:28:19am |
re: #585 Cannadian Club Akbar
If she does, he should tell her to get the fuck out before they get there, if he hasn't already. Fuck her, it's his place. As long as her name isn't on the bills he's fine. Unless she pulls the "he hit me" card.
My brothers Ex-wife used to do that all the time. Once he pulls into a gas station, she happens to be there, she reaches in the car and grabs his keys and throws them in the grass. Cops get called, she claims he beat her up beside the building. Luckily there was a video camera on the side of the building that caught her walking up to the ice storage and smashing her face into it multiple times. She's freaking nuts.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 3:31:03am |
re: #590 RogueOne
I REALLY hope she got charged with lying to the police. And smashing her own face against an ice storage unit, don't all normal people do that?
/
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RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 3:40:37am |
re: #591 Cannadian Club Akbar
I REALLY hope she got charged with lying to the police. And smashing her own face against an ice storage unit, don't all normal people do that?
/
Oh hell no. They never did. She had him arrested in Peoria for rape. The cops told her they didn't believe her but if she made the accusation they were going to have to arrest him and she was going to have to submit a rape kit. She accused him of rape to the michigan state police. She told them he spiked her drink with brake fluid and let his friends rape her. I wasn't using hyperbole when I said she's fucking nuts.
He had to fight for custody in 3 different states and won each time. It started in IN. He wins custody, she goes to a womans shelter and tells them he abused her and the kids and they would give her money and a bus ticket to a different state and then hide her. Once he would find her again they would get her a lawyer and he would have to start the process all over again. After he won in IL she took off with the kids, with the help of a womans shelter, to MI. It took almost 10 years of court fights, one between the states of IN and IL before they finally said she could only have supervised visits so she wouldn't run again.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 3:48:35am |
re: #592 RogueOne
An old friend of mine was at his GF's apartment one night. She was all coked up, wanting to leave to get more. He tried to stop her. She hit him repeatedly, he pushed her onto a bed. She called the cops. He got arrested. He got probation and 29 weeks of anger management. Now, he has a degree and teaches anger management classes. I hated her. And I hated him because he would bring her along to Bucs games when we had season tickets. If a woman doesn't like football, tell her to do something else for the day, don't bring her to something she'll be bitching about all fuckin' day long.
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RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 3:54:55am |
re: #593 Cannadian Club Akbar
I have one friend who was in a really abusive relationship fueled by drugs. He's the only guy I know that didn't get arrested when the cops showed up, they'd always take her. She was a violent little bitch. Once, at the shop, they got into an argument in his truck and she kicked the windshield out from the inside. One time the cops showed up and told her to leave the house. While they were out front talking to him she snuck in a back window while they were still there. She ended up maced and put in the hospital for a mental health observation for 48-hours.
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RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 3:57:40am |
So...McCain was right?
Arizona Sheriff: Wildfires Likely Started by Mexican Drug Traffickers, Smugglers
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 3:58:06am |
re: #594 RogueOne
The great thing about getting/being older is that we (both men and women) can spot nutballs after about 5 minutes of conversation.
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boxhead Thu, Jun 23, 2011 3:59:39am |
I am back.... with my friend. she came back to his place and is sitting on his porch... we are drinking and watching Team America!
nite all
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RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:00:05am |
re: #596 Cannadian Club Akbar
The great thing about getting/being older is that we (both men and women) can spot nutballs after about 5 minutes of conversation.
Some guys like the crazy, my brother being one of them. His last GF keeps breaking into his house. A few weeks ago she left a pair of panties under his mattress and then called his new girl and told her to look for them.
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RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:01:10am |
My brother and boxheads friend should start their own support group. GWLCB (guys who like crazy bitches)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:01:16am |
re: #598 RogueOne
Some guys like the crazy, my brother being one of them. His last GF keeps breaking into his house. A few weeks ago she left a pair of panties under his mattress and then called his new girl and told her to look for them.
Crazy chicks are great in the sack, but the bunny boiling on the stove the next day is kind of a turn off. Heh.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:01:48am |
re: #599 RogueOne
My brother and boxheads friend should start their own support group. GWLCB (guys who like crazy bitches)
The slide shows would RULE!!
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RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:04:04am |
re: #600 Cannadian Club Akbar
I always flat-out refused to deal with that kind of drama. The minute a woman acted out she was gone, no second chances ever. Why some people want to put themselves through that kind of hassle is beyond me.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:05:57am |
re: #602 RogueOne
People who put themselves through that aren't in love. They're in love with the concept of being in love. I've known guys who couldn't survive without having a GF. I guess I just don't get it.
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RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:09:16am |
re: #603 Cannadian Club Akbar
People who put themselves through that aren't in love. They're in love with the concept of being in love. I've known guys who couldn't survive without having a GF. I guess I just don't get it.
I think that's a big factor. Most men talk big but they're actually weaker than the stereotype of women. Most women I know, when they say it's over, it's over. Men are weak which might be why a lot of guys go off on shooting sprees when their GF/wife leaves them.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:11:45am |
Oh, man, when the wimmynz get here they're gonna think we restarted the He Man Woman Haters Club. Heh.
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RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:13:59am |
Speaking of disgusting men. Have you guys seen the story of the missing IU female? It's big around here, obviously:
Missing student's mother frustrated with lack of tips
[Link: www.wthr.com...]
I had to go to Bloomington yesterday. As I was pulling into town there were a dozen state trooper vehicles parked on the side of the highway. The police were walking down the road looking through the weeds. It takes a special kind of psycho to snatch a woman off the street. I hope they catch them.
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RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:14:23am |
re: #605 Cannadian Club Akbar
Oh, man, when the wimmynz get here they're gonna think we restarted the He Man Woman Haters Club. Heh.
Crazy women and weak men deserve each other.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:18:35am |
re: #606 RogueOne
Speaking of disgusting men. Have you guys seen the story of the missing IU female? It's big around here, obviously:
Missing student's mother frustrated with lack of tips
[Link: www.wthr.com...]I had to go to Bloomington yesterday. As I was pulling into town there were a dozen state trooper vehicles parked on the side of the highway. The police were walking down the road looking through the weeds. It takes a special kind of psycho to snatch a woman off the street. I hope they catch them.
I'll go out on a limb and say this isn't his first victim.
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RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:25:30am |
re: #608 Cannadian Club Akbar
About 15 years ago there was a female IU student that went missing. Years later they arrested and convicted a guy on, what I thought, was pretty circumstantial evidence. I hope they got the right guy.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:29:14am |
re: #609 RogueOne
When Danny Rollins killed a bunch of U of F students he was living in the woods and was caught because he was recording songs he wrote, singing about the murders. Dude was nuts. But not as nuts as the author who eventually married him when he went to prison.
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RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:31:03am |
Speaking of psychos:
Has O.J. Simpson confessed murder to Oprah? Huge TV interview planned in which convict 'will admit he killed Nicole in self-defence as she pulled a knife on him'
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:35:34am |
re: #612 RogueOne
I generally lop of a person's head (or very close to lop) in self defense.
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RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:35:50am |
Grim-faced Johnny Knoxville leads the mourners at memorial service for Jackass star Ryan Dunn
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
n a statement which will no doubt cause fresh anguish for Ryan's loved ones, Westboro Baptist Church proclaimed: 'Ryan Dunn is in hell,' adding: 'WBC will picket any public memorial/funeral held for Dunn, warning all not to make a mock of sin, & to fear & obey God.'Westboro was started by the Rev. Fred Phelps in 1955. The website for the group outlines plans to send parishioners to Philadelphia to protest at the funeral in Philadelphia.
Funeral director Joseph DellaVecchia told CNN today that he didn't expect any disturbances at the memorial- but admitted he had heard of Westboro's plans.
He told CNN: 'We can’t stop someone from coming to a public funeral, but this is private, and the police have everything under control.'
Somebody, eventually, is going to snap on the WBC clan.
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Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:37:58am |
re: #614 RogueOne
Grim-faced Johnny Knoxville leads the mourners at memorial service for Jackass star Ryan Dunn
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]Somebody, eventually, is going to snap on the WBC clan.
Really? Westboro is getting in on this Dunn-death action? Classic. What a corntry.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:38:48am |
re: #615 Gus 802
Really? Westboro is getting in on this Dunn-death action? Classic. What a corntry.
Well, he is/was a sinner and all.
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Shropshire_Slasher Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:39:12am |
re: #614 RogueOne
WBC needs the free publicity, the fuckers.
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RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:40:26am |
re: #615 Gus 802
If someone does eventually snap, I would guess it's going to be hard to find an impartial jury.
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laZardo Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:40:27am |
re: #612 RogueOne
Speaking of psychos:
Has O.J. Simpson confessed murder to Oprah? Huge TV interview planned in which convict 'will admit he killed Nicole in self-defence as she pulled a knife on him'
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
Goddamn double jeopardy rule.
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:40:37am |
re: #612 RogueOne
Speaking of psychos:
Has O.J. Simpson confessed murder to Oprah? Huge TV interview planned in which convict 'will admit he killed Nicole in self-defence as she pulled a knife on him'
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
Her cheekbones were lethal weapons.
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RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:41:19am |
re: #621 Alouette
Her cheekbones were lethal weapons.
Good point. They did cut his hands while he was beating her. Self Defense!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:42:21am |
re: #38 Stanley Sea
The military industrial complex won't allow all that $ to go that quickly.
The sixties called. They want their phrase back.
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RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:43:01am |
re: #624 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The sixties called. They want their phrase back.
The 90's called, yada-yada-yada.
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Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:43:46am |
America needs George Carlin and Frank Zappa again. Where are they when you need them? Oh right, dead. Damn. Maybe Tipper Gore can come up to the plate and say something.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:44:51am |
re: #614 RogueOne
Going to snap? Going to snap?!
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RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:47:06am |
This argument is so dumb it actually hurt my feelings:
Ciudad Juarez is all our futures. This is the inevitable war of capitalism gone mad
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
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Shropshire_Slasher Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:47:44am |
This guy is a sick fuck:
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
Interesting backstory.
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Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:48:21am |
re: #629 RogueOne
This argument is so dumb it actually hurt my feelings:
Ciudad Juarez is all our futures. This is the inevitable war of capitalism gone mad
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
That's too "advanced" for me at this time. Just started drinking my coffee.
/
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RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:50:13am |
re: #631 Gus 802
Try this one:
Myths Of The Criminal Justice System: Part 2
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
Myth 4: We have appeals courts to check and verify jury verdicts.
Myth 5: Due to their position, law enforcement officials are held to a higher standard of conduct than regular citizens.
Myth 6: Dangerous criminals frequently escape punishment by "getting off on a technicality."
Myth 7: No one confesses to a crime he didn't commit.
| 633 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:50:41am |
re: #630 Shropshire_Slasher
So sad he needs to die.
| 634 |
Shropshire_Slasher Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:51:50am |
re: #633 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
So does the guy in NYC that coldly executed four people in a pharmacy, for oxycontin.
| 635 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:52:11am |
re: #630 Shropshire_Slasher
This guy is a sick fuck:
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
Interesting backstory.
Bad genes. What a messed up story.
| 636 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:52:19am |
| 638 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:53:56am |
re: #632 RogueOne
Try this one:
Myths Of The Criminal Justice System: Part 2
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
Now look at what you've done! You have forced me to start looking at pictures of kittens!
Bad enough I read the latest fantasy from Ben Bernanke this morning.
Serenity now!
/
| 639 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:54:34am |
The death penalty in Florida hits a "snag".
[Link: www.palmbeachpost.com...]
| 641 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:55:39am |
re: #636 Cannadian Club Akbar
Can you already see the parade of shrinks?
He obviously has issues topped off with lousy genes. When I saw the cops yesterday searching the weeds for the missing IU student my mind was wandering wondering what kind of person it takes to snatch someone off the street and then rape and kill them. Just thinking about it made me uncomfortable. Killing someone in a war zone or in self-defense? I could go to sleep with a smile on my face but snatching someone innocent off the street like that? I'm not sure it's something a normal person could wrap their minds around.
| 642 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:56:04am |
Ick. Spider number 2 of the morning just went walking by. I hate bugs. Not scared of 'em. But right now? I'm officially at war with the damn things.
| 643 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:56:08am |
re: #638 Gus 802
Saw a cell phone commercial last night (Sprint) that talked about how many videos of cats you could watch with their new phone. Was well done.
| 644 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:56:52am |
re: #642 Gus 802
Ick. Spider number 2 of the morning just went walking by. I hate bugs. Not scared of 'em. But right now? I'm officially at war with the damn things.
Remember that spiders in the house are a sign of good luck.
| 646 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:57:41am |
re: #643 Cannadian Club Akbar
I saw that. Laughed.
| 647 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:59:15am |
re: #643 Cannadian Club Akbar
Saw a cell phone commercial last night (Sprint) that talked about how many videos of cats you could watch with their new phone. Was well done.
| 648 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 4:59:30am |
Airline pilot forgets his mic is one. D'oh!! NSFW.
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
| 649 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:00:19am |
re: #644 RogueOne
Remember that spiders in the house are a sign of good luck.
Yeah. Luck. Now that always worked.
//
| 651 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:03:03am |
re: #648 Cannadian Club Akbar
Airline pilot forgets his mic is one. D'oh!! NSFW.
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
Heard about that. It's the end of the world I tells ya'! We're doomed! Doomed! I have never heard such language in my life! Off with his head!
//
| 652 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:03:18am |
re: #648 Cannadian Club Akbar
Airline pilot forgets his mic is one. D'oh!! NSFW.
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
Fucking WSJ. Text of some of it here.
[Link: articles.boston.com...]
| 654 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:08:48am |
If I was a pilot and people where being douchebags, I would leave the mic on. Then I would say, "Hey Steve, can you believe this thing still flies? Good thing I'm drinking". That'll shut them up.:)
| 655 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:09:10am |
re: #652 Cannadian Club Akbar
"oops".
I went to walmart with the wife on monday cause I needed stuff and that's where you get it. My wife pointed out a display for 5lb containers of cheese poofs. Thinking out loud I said "That's why we have so many assholes too fucking fat to walk" which immediately got me "the look" from my wife. When I turned around there was an immensely obese man and women, both in those little scooters, right behind me. Oops.
| 656 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:11:35am |
re: #655 RogueOne
Saw a former teacher from high skool at the mall after I graduated. She was pregnant when I was a student. Said to her, "Pregnant again"? I shouldn't have to finish this story.
| 657 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:12:23am |
Ha! I remember how they made such a big deal about this thing...
Tesla Roadster reaches the end of the line
Now they're going to try and sell something called a Model S. Lots of politics involved here too.
Drink!
| 658 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:13:28am |
re: #654 Cannadian Club Akbar
If I was a pilot and people where being douchebags, I would leave the mic on. Then I would say, "Hey Steve, can you believe this thing still flies? Good thing I'm drinking". That'll shut them up.:)
Thank you for flying "Jackass Airlines".
Please keep your seat belts fastened!
/
| 660 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:14:34am |
re: #658 Gus 802
Thank you for flying "Jackass Airlines".
Please keep your seat belts fastened!
/
And please keep your stewardess in the upright position.
| 661 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:15:45am |
re: #660 Cannadian Club Akbar
And please keep your stewardess in the upright position.
Shouldn't be a problem for those stewardesses. The captain has already said they suck.
| 662 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:17:47am |
Kwa, kwa, kwa, kwa...
Federal Reserve gloomier on jobs, economic growth
Gee. Ya think? Oh, I know what will fix that. Some lame ass announcement about making SBA loans easier and yet another gubernment jobs program. Sorry but I've reached my limit with this administration.
| 664 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:21:16am |
re: #654 Cannadian Club Akbar
My phone has a neat "speak to text" feature. Sometime it thinks what I say is not what I said. For example, was sending a text to my boss with the word "HVAC" (as in H-Vack), the phone thought I said "douchebag".
I sent it anyway.
| 665 |
Decatur Deb Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:23:23am |
re: #662 Gus 802
Kwa, kwa, kwa, kwa...
Federal Reserve gloomier on jobs, economic growth
Gee. Ya think? Oh, I know what will fix that. Some lame ass announcement about making SBA loans easier and yet another gubernment jobs program. Sorry but I've reached my limit with this administration.
Wait until the TPGOP primary process shows you the alternative.
| 667 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:25:08am |
re: #665 Decatur Deb
Wait until the TPGOP primary process shows you the alternative.
Yeah. If there's one thing I always look forward to is yet another two party system alternative. Yep. That and the whacked out alternative of big "L" libertarians. One thing we can count on though is "to keep hope alive!"
//
| 668 |
Decatur Deb Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:25:52am |
re: #666 Cannadian Club Akbar
We should spend more money!!!
Yup, until the pump-priming boots us into a high-employment situation, then we should pay it back.
| 670 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:26:40am |
re: #664 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
My phone has a neat "speak to text" feature. Sometime it thinks what I say is not what I said. For example, was sending a text to my boss with the word "HVAC" (as in H-Vack), the phone thought I said "douchebag".
I sent it anyway.
I'm sure it was the phones mistake//
| 671 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:27:47am |
| 672 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:28:09am |
re: #670 RogueOne
Oh, I saw it. It was too funny of a "typo" (don't know what else to call it) not to send.
| 673 |
Decatur Deb Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:29:37am |
| 674 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:30:31am |
| 675 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:30:42am |
re: #666 Cannadian Club Akbar
We should spend more money!!!
CBO Updates its Report on the Looming Debt Crisis
[Link: blogs.forbes.com...]
Key phrase #1:
Within 10 years, debt will exceed 100% of GDP. By 2037, it would be more than double the size of the economy.
Key phrase #2:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
Over the long term, the CBO said, a projected explosion in government spending outside interest on the debt is “attributable entirely” to the ballooning cost of “Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and (to a lesser extent) insurance subsidies” intended to help finance coverage for the uninsured under President Obama’s new health-care law.
| 676 |
Decatur Deb Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:34:03am |
re: #675 RogueOne
CBO Updates its Report on the Looming Debt Crisis
[Link: blogs.forbes.com...]Key phrase #1:
Key phrase #2:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
So let's kill the sick, the old, the uninsured and march into a bright Randian future.
| 677 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:35:38am |
re: #675 RogueOne
CBO Updates its Report on the Looming Debt Crisis
[Link: blogs.forbes.com...]Key phrase #1:
Key phrase #2:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
Yeah. But things will be worse if we don't maintain this level of Federal spending!
Onward we go towards a Grecian future!
//
| 678 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:36:43am |
re: #676 Decatur Deb
So let's kill the sick, the old, the uninsured and march into a bright Randian future.
Probably so. That's the only alternative it seems.
/
| 679 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:37:28am |
re: #676 Decatur Deb
So let's kill the sick, the old, the uninsured and march into a bright Randian future.
I wouldn't go quite that far. I found the second key point particularly amusing because when I said during the HCR debate that it was going to cost us a fortune I was told by a particular poster that I was sucking up republican talking points straight from their cocks.
| 680 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:38:54am |
American politics is like a sine wave with an emphasis on the peak points. Each side of the two party system building on the fears developed around those peaks.
| 681 |
Shropshire_Slasher Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:39:18am |
re: #679 RogueOne
I mean, its common sense, when the government gets involved, costs go down, quality goes up!
| 682 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:39:56am |
re: #681 Shropshire_Slasher
I mean, its common sense, when the government gets involved, costs go down, quality goes up!
More regulations always makes everything better!
| 683 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:40:23am |
re: #681 Shropshire_Slasher
I mean, its common sense, when the government gets involved, costs go down, quality goes up!
Sort of like... "I'm from the government and we're here to help."
Well, perhaps not. I just felt like saying that right now.
//
| 685 |
Shropshire_Slasher Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:41:42am |
re: #682 RogueOne
I already pay for medicare, so the elderly get their healthcare, and medicaid for the poor. Now everyone else, I can't wait.
| 686 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:41:52am |
re: #683 Gus 802
Sort of like... "I'm from the government and we're here to help."
Well, perhaps not. I just felt like saying that right now.
//
On the one hand I do believe that most of the time they have their hearts in the right spot. The problem is they fail to realize that sometimes it's better to just leave shit alone.
| 688 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:43:26am |
re: #686 RogueOne
On the one hand I do believe that most of the time they have their hearts in the right spot. The problem is they fail to realize that sometimes it's better to just leave shit alone.
I think they want to do good. And I think they're whores for votes.
| 689 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:43:34am |
Meanwhile the unemployment number continue to disappoint...
Initial Jobless Claims in U.S. Rose 9,000 Last Week to 429,000
More Americans than forecast filed first-time claims for unemployment insurance payments last week, showing companies are less confident about the expansion than they were earlier this year.Applications for jobless benefits increased 9,000 in the week ended June 18 to 429,000, Labor Department figures showed today. The level of claims exceeded the highest estimate in a Bloomberg News survey in which the median projection called for 415,000 filings. The number of people on benefit rolls was little changed, while those getting extended payments rose.
Ugh.
| 690 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:46:01am |
re: #687 Shropshire_Slasher
damn dogooders
One party wants to save my soul and the other wants to protect me from myself. Either way I go I'm getting screwed.
| 691 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:46:52am |
re: #686 RogueOne
On the one hand I do believe that most of the time they have their hearts in the right spot. The problem is they fail to realize that sometimes it's better to just leave shit alone.
For a lot of things, yes, but try telling the Federalists that. Ironically some of the worst things from DC come in the form of unfunded mandates. Going back to the funded mandates then they tie in other Federal funding towards adherence to others. IOW, if you don't do "A" you won't get money for "B". States of course have little choice because most of the revenue from our citizens goes to DC. Right now, the states have almost no money left with the majority going towards the wonderful and efficient Feds.
| 692 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:47:41am |
Check out pics #'s 6,8 and 10.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
| 695 |
Shropshire_Slasher Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:55:01am |
He's got good taste in shoes, and update from yesterdays story:
[Link: www.sfgate.com...]
| 696 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:55:38am |
52°F and 94 percent humidity. Feels cold. That's a 48 degree difference from our high of 100 on Tuesday afternoon.
| 697 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:57:20am |
re: #689 NJDhockeyfan
Meanwhile the unemployment number continue to disappoint...
Initial Jobless Claims in U.S. Rose 9,000 Last Week to 429,000
Ugh.
| 698 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:58:02am |
re: #695 Shropshire_Slasher
He's got good taste in shoes, and update from yesterdays story:
[Link: www.sfgate.com...]
From the link:
The 65-year-old Phoenix man, who spoke to The Chronicle on the condition that his name not be published,
Yea, that will keep your friends from knowing it's you. Sheesh.
| 699 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:59:06am |
The war on drugs claimed a 69 year old man over the weekend in a drug raid by the police. There's more of the story coming out:
Small amount of painkillers seized in deadly Hampton drug raid
[Link: articles.dailypress.com...]
The police claim they got a tip that the old guy was dealing pain pills. Here's what they found, 3 empty containers...
The list of seized items, filed Tuesday in Hampton Circuit Court, included one empty bottle of OxyContin and three bottles of Oxycodone-acetaminophen — one containing pills and two of them empty. OxyContin and Oxycodone-acetaminophen are controlled substances that are highly sought on the black market.Friends said Cooper used a cane, suffered from knee and back pain, and took a lot of pain medicine. The list of seized items doesn't say whether or not the prescriptions were valid ones in Cooper's name, and police declined Tuesday to say whether his name was on the labels.
....
According to an affidavit that police filed before the search, confidential informant had told police that Cooper was selling methadone, Percocet (one trade name for Oxycodone-acetaminophen) and other prescription drugs from his home. Methadone was not among the items seized.
To make matters worse, they conducted the raid and opened fire when there was a kids ballgame going on in the field behind the house:
Also on Tuesday, Price said police found no evidence that a stray bullet from the shootout made its way to a baseball field that runs 150 to 200 feet behind Clifton Street — separated by a creek and dense brush.Rita Roby, a coach of a girls softball team playing at the field, said Tuesday that there were about 100 people at the field at the time of the shooting, including ball players, spectators and coaches.
Roby said that she was huddling with her team at the edge of the field when they heard about five shots.
One of her players, she said, felt something whiz past her shirt. Roby said she can't believe police engaged in a shootout so close to a ball field where children were playing ball.
"It really makes me angry," she said. "It's really sloppy."
Price said a bullet did go through the back of Cooper's home, but police have not recovered it.
| 700 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 5:59:27am |
re: #695 Shropshire_Slasher
He's got good taste in shoes, and update from yesterdays story:
[Link: www.sfgate.com...]
Get's hot in Phoenix.
/
| 701 |
Shropshire_Slasher Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:00:16am |
re: #698 Cannadian Club Akbar
Isn't that why he dresses up? So people notice him?
I hope my body looks that good at 65.
| 702 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:00:37am |
re: #695 Shropshire_Slasher
He's got good taste in shoes, and update from yesterdays story:
[Link: www.sfgate.com...]
So the black kid gets arrested for wearing his pants too low and the old white guy goes through without a hassle while wearing a banana sling. Seems fair.
| 704 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:01:44am |
re: #702 RogueOne
So the black kid gets arrested for wearing his pants too low and the old white guy goes through without a hassle while wearing a banana sling. Seems fair.
But the white guy had nowhere to hide a gun.
/
| 705 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:02:08am |
re: #704 Cannadian Club Akbar
But the white guy had nowhere to hide a gun.
/
no where that anyone wants to check.
| 706 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:02:23am |
| 709 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:04:42am |
re: #708 Gus 802
Ron Paul, Barney Frank to jointly introduce bill to end federal war on marijuana
Do ya think Barney has ever smoked a fat one?
//just wrong!!!
| 710 |
Shropshire_Slasher Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:05:35am |
Laughter is good medicine, see ya at lunch.
| 711 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:05:37am |
re: #708 Gus 802
Ron Paul, Barney Frank to jointly introduce bill to end federal war on marijuana
Excerpts...
The legislation, co-sponsored by Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.), Rep. Steve Cohen (D-Tenn.), Rep. Jared Polis (D-Colo.), and Rep. Barbara Lee (D-Oakland), is the first of its kind to be proposed in Congress that would end the 73-year-old federal marijuana prohibition that began with the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937.
...
"We need to rethink and decriminalize our marijuana laws," Obama said in Feb. 2008. "But I'm not somebody who believes in legalization of marijuana. What I do believe is that we need to rethink how we're operating in the drug war. Currently, we're not doing a good job."
| 712 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:07:19am |
re: #702 RogueOne
So the black kid gets arrested for wearing his pants too low and the old white guy goes through without a hassle while wearing a banana sling. Seems fair.
Next time the black kid should wear women's pants and then sue?
| 713 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:08:02am |
re: #712 Gus 802
Next time the black kid should wear women's pants and then sue?
Or dress up as a 65 y/o white guy.
| 714 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:09:32am |
re: #713 Cannadian Club Akbar
Or dress up as a 65 y/o white guy.
Blue oxford shirt, khaki colored Hagar "Comfort Slacks", and penny loafers?
//
| 715 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:10:29am |
re: #714 Gus 802
Blue oxford shirt, khaki colored Hagar "Comfort Slacks", and penny loafers?
//
Never been to Florida, huh?:)
| 716 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:10:40am |
Man gets 3 years for shooting SWAT deputy
Suspect said when he fired, he did not know he was shooting police
[Link: www.policeone.com...]
ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. — A suspected drug dealer who shot a SWAT team deputy in the groin as officers stormed his home was sentenced Friday to three years in prison, despite his contention that he did not know that the intruders were police until after the fact.
....
Martinez said Westfall was fast asleep at home with his wife and children and a clanky hallway swamp cooler going when he heard a window being broken. Westfall shot without investigating."Did he do something wrong? Yes," Martinez said, but Westfall thought his family was in danger.
He said Westfall has matured since completing a previous sentence for possession of a stolen vehicle, and was excited about his job as a plumber's apprentice. He also noted that officers found no drugs in the home, and that Westfall's hearing was impaired by one of the devices employed by the SWAT team.
These raids are supposed to make it safer for the cops and civilians but it's having the opposite affect. Kicking in someones door while they're asleep is a good way to get someone shot.
| 718 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:15:11am |
iPhone app enables secret police recording
OpenWatch bills itself as "a counter-surveillance using cellular phones as a way of monitoring authority figures"
[Link: www.policeone.com...]
Countdown to apple removing the app starting.....NOW!
| 719 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:19:09am |
re: #718 RogueOne
iPhone app enables secret police recording
OpenWatch bills itself as "a counter-surveillance using cellular phones as a way of monitoring authority figures"
[Link: www.policeone.com...]Countdown to apple removing the app starting...NOW!
Kind of amazing to think that recording your interaction with a police office would be considered illegal in the USA. Equally amazing is that there are people who would agree with its illegality.
| 720 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:19:22am |
OJ Simpson is in the news again!
O.J Simpson has confessed to Oprah Winfrey that he murdered his former wife, it has been reported.
The talk show host made headlines recently saying that one of her regrets was never having got the shamed former sportsman to confess to the killing.
And it appears her wish may well have come true with reports Simpson has already told one of her producers in an interview from jail that he knifed ex-wife Nicole in self-defence - a confession he will now repeat to the talk show queen during a spectacular televised sit down interview.
| 721 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:20:08am |
re: #718 RogueOne
FTA:
[Link: openwatch.net...]
This a five-minute recording of a citizen who refuses a field sobriety test at a DUI checkpoint (Further analysis of this recording is given in this blog post). After commenting that all of the cars in front of him are being diverted to a secondary inspection area, an officer approaches the car. At 0:40, the officer tells the man to roll his window down all the way, though the man protests, and the officer tells him he has to. He asks the man where he is coming from and if he has been drinking, the citizen denies it, then the officer tells him that he smells alcohol. The man asks the officer if he also sees red watery eyes, which the officer laughs at, then sends the man to the secondary area.
A couple years ago I got stopped 3 times in a couple weeks and had to submit to a breathalyzer test. The first cop told me his boss insisted he give so many a night and asked if I would submit. I explained that he didn't have to lie to me, according to the law I have to take the test. All 3 times I blew a .0. I rarely drink and when I do I usually do it at home.
| 722 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:20:20am |
re: #718 RogueOne
Didn't Apple just end an app telling people where DUI checkpoints are located?
| 724 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:23:38am |
re: #719 Gus 802
They wish it was illegal. It's only illegal in IL and, I think, MD.
Speaking of which:
Rochester Police Arrest Woman For Videotaping Them From Her Front Yard
[Link: www.pixiq.com...]
She ended up getting handcuffed and taken away after she refused to walk into her house, even though she was clearly on her own property.
A friend or relative ended up taking the camera and we see her being led away.
Neighbors who witnessed the interaction confirmed she had done nothing wrong.
Meanwhile, the man they had originally handcuffed was released.
Mickey H. Osterreicher, attorney for the National Press Photographers Association, fired off a letter to Rochester Police Chief James Sheppard demanding that Good's charges be dropped.
Sheppard told Osterreicher and the Democrat and Chronicle newspaper that he has ordered an investigation, which normally is police talk for sweeping it under the carpet until the media attention dies down.
| 725 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:24:09am |
re: #721 RogueOne
I've had cops say, "So, how many beers you had tonight". Answer zero and they come back with "You sure about that"? I think next time I'll say, "I dunno, 12. Maybe 15. I lost count after the bong hits". That will end well, I'm sure.
| 726 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:24:48am |
re: #724 RogueOne
They wish it was illegal. It's only illegal in IL and, I think, MD.
Speaking of which:
Rochester Police Arrest Woman For Videotaping Them From Her Front Yard
[Link: www.pixiq.com...]
Assholes.
| 727 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:25:43am |
re: #725 Cannadian Club Akbar
I've had cops say, "So, how many beers you had tonight". Answer zero and they come back with "You sure about that"? I think next time I'll say, "I dunno, 12. Maybe 15. I lost count after the bong hits". That will end well, I'm sure.
My buddy is a cop just outside Indy. He's tried to give me lessons on the appropriate way to deal with traffic stops but I'm a little hard headed. It's only a matter of time before I get tazed.
| 728 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:27:36am |
re: #727 RogueOne
My buddy is a cop just outside Indy. He's tried to give me lessons on the appropriate way to deal with traffic stops but I'm a little hard headed. It's only a matter of time before I get tazed.
shut off car.
Keys on the dash board.
Hands on wheel.
Flashers going.
A good and easy start. Makes them less paranoid.
| 729 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:27:39am |
re: #725 Cannadian Club Akbar
I've had cops say, "So, how many beers you had tonight". Answer zero and they come back with "You sure about that"? I think next time I'll say, "I dunno, 12. Maybe 15. I lost count after the bong hits". That will end well, I'm sure.
They'll take that as a confession and toss your ass in jail.
| 730 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:28:50am |
re: #729 RogueOne
They'll take that as a confession and toss your ass in jail.
As long as they tape is running when I say zero.
| 731 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:29:20am |
re: #728 Cannadian Club Akbar
I'm a very private person, I don't like people asking me questions. Traffic stops usually start with "where are you going" or "where are you coming from" to which my reply is either "that way" or "none of your business". It usually goes down hill from there. If there is a way to talk myself into a ticket, I'll find it.
| 733 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:30:01am |
You guys need to put down the pipe. It will increase your spelling ability.
| 734 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:30:44am |
re: #731 RogueOne
"Do you have anything in your trunk I should be aware of"?
"Human heads."
| 735 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:32:21am |
re: #733 RogueOne
The words are spelled right, just the wrong words.
| 736 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:32:48am |
AT&T crapping out again even with an alleged "good" connection.
Fascinating.
| 737 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:32:49am |
re: #734 Cannadian Club Akbar
"Do you have anything in your trunk I should be aware of"?
"Human heads."
You should see how they react when they find rolls of duct tape and halloween masks in your trunk.
| 738 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:33:02am |
Cocaine cut with levamisole, drug used to de-worm animals, causing users' skin to rot off: doctors
Cocaine used to just get you high. Now it rots your skin.Doctors say the cocaine hitting the streets in New York and Los Angeles is now cut with a drug that veterinarians use to de-worm livestock, causing cokeheads' skin to rot off.
Nasty! This may affect the coke business.
| 739 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:34:33am |
re: #737 RogueOne
You should see how they react when they find rolls of duct tape and halloween masks in your trunk.
Worked with a gay guy. In his bag was leather pants, leather mask, chains, whips. Cop gave the bag back and let him go. Heh.
| 741 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:36:30am |
re: #739 Cannadian Club Akbar
Worked with a gay guy. In his bag was leather pants, leather mask, chains, whips. Cop gave the bag back and let him go. Heh.
What's in the bag?
Human torsos.
OK, you can go. But get that turn signal fixed.
//
| 742 |
Sheila Broflovski Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:38:55am |
re: #734 Cannadian Club Akbar
"Do you have anything in your trunk I should be aware of"?
"Human heads."
Note to self: Do not make flippant remarks to the border control agents. Especially not in the French-speaking lanes.
| 743 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:39:52am |
"That's a large trunk. Do you have anything in it"?
"No, but you can fit 8 bodies in there if you cut them up right".
| 745 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:42:22am |
Oh brother.
Airbus and AirAsia announce record deal for 200 planes
The US planemaker's A320 rival is the 737, but the plane is very low, so fitting modern, fuel-efficient engines under its wings would be a tight squeeze.
Making it happen would require a new undercarriage, which is costly and difficult, as well as time-consuming, he says.
| 746 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:42:33am |
re: #738 NJDhockeyfan
One way to fix that is to legalize. By keeping it illegal it increases the odds that what you're buying is cut with something bad to increase the profit margin. Contrary to the article I posted earlier, a little real capitalism in the drug trades could make things safer.
| 747 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:45:48am |
re: #746 RogueOne
One way to fix that is to legalize. By keeping it illegal it increases the odds that what you're buying is cut with something bad to increase the profit margin. Contrary to the article I posted earlier, a little real capitalism in the drug trades could make things safer.
Would certainly also increase the amount of "clean needles". We'd also see big reductions in government spending on many fronts. I agree with Milton Friedman's take on this 100 percent.
| 748 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:45:48am |
re: #746 RogueOne
One way to fix that is to legalize. By keeping it illegal it increases the odds that what you're buying is cut with something bad to increase the profit margin. Contrary to the article I posted earlier, a little real capitalism in the drug trades could make things safer.
Then the crack heads would stop stealing!
| 749 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:46:30am |
Just think of the increase in market share and jobs in atlanta Coke could enjoy if they were allowed to put it back in their secret formula. It's about the jobs people!
| 750 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:49:48am |
re: #749 RogueOne
Just think of the increase in market share and jobs in atlanta Coke could enjoy if they were allowed to put it back in their secret formula. It's about the jobs people!
Mommy? Where does the word "coca" come from in "Coca Cola"?
//
| 751 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:49:55am |
re: #747 Gus 802
Would certainly also increase the amount of "clean needles". We'd also see big reductions in government spending on many fronts. I agree with Milton Friedman's take on this 100 percent.
I think you're right. I'm for legalization on purely philosophical grounds but I think it would end a few of the problems associated with drug use, like disease and violence, right off the bat. The question of how many more users would we end up with though is still up in the air for me.
| 752 |
lawhawk Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:50:21am |
Energy Dept. to release 30 million barrels from Strategic Petroleum Reserve.
30 million bbl? That's pretty much 3 1/3 days of transportation use in the US.
The justification is that the ongoing situation in Libya has reduced production by 1.5 million bbl a day.
This is a measure to help Europe, which gets imports from Libya. Help keep the NATO coalition no-fly zone/efforts against Khadafi going.
| 753 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:51:45am |
re: #752 lawhawk
Energy Dept. to release 30 million barrels from Strategic Petroleum Reserve.
30 million bbl? That's pretty much 3 1/3 days of transportation use in the US.
The justification is that the ongoing situation in Libya has reduced production by 1.5 million bbl a day.
This is a measure to help Europe, which gets imports from Libya. Help keep the NATO coalition no-fly zone/efforts against Khadafi going.
Hey. We're not targeting Khadafi.
//
| 754 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:55:49am |
re: #751 RogueOne
I think you're right. I'm for legalization on purely philosophical grounds but I think it would end a few of the problems associated with drug use, like disease and violence, right off the bat. The question of how many more users would we end up with though is still up in the air for me.
It would also become a question of liability and then dealing with the FDA. Let's say you legalized cocaine. I seriously doubt that the FDA would allow it to be sold over the counter as a recreational drug. Changing that would require and act of God of sorts. Then liability wise no company would want to sell cocaine. Coca on the other hand might be different. At best we could probably decriminalize drugs such as cocaine. Otherwise full legalization would require changes on several different [Federal] fronts which realistically speaking wouldn't happen. Perhaps in 100 years or more.
| 755 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:56:30am |
re: #753 Gus 802
What a mistake. If you aren't going to ask for congressional approval then do what it takes to get it done within the 90 days. I saw kerry point out that Clinton didn't ask for approval for bosnia or haiti and Reagan didn't ask for Grenada somehow failing to realize they were all accomplished within the required time-frame.
| 757 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:58:41am |
re: #755 RogueOne
But, but, Kerry is smarter than the rest of us.
/
| 758 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:59:20am |
re: #757 Cannadian Club Akbar
But, but, Kerry is smarter than the rest of us.
/
He does wind surf so he's just like me...or something.
| 759 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 6:59:22am |
re: #755 RogueOne
What a mistake. If you aren't going to ask for congressional approval then do what it takes to get it done within the 90 days. I saw kerry point out that Clinton didn't ask for approval for bosnia or haiti and Reagan didn't ask for Grenada somehow failing to realize they were all accomplished within the required time-frame.
IMO this isn't going to work. They won't be able to oust Khadafi without putting boots on the ground. We're looking at a prolonged campaign which again, won't work.
| 760 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:00:56am |
re: #758 RogueOne
He does wind surf so he's just like me...or something.
And he can bag a duck after hunting for only one hour. "You got one of them there huntin' licenses"?
| 761 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:01:23am |
re: #759 Gus 802
He can't hold out forever. The difference in the air campaigns between Bosnia and Libya is Clinton went a lot further with the bombing campaign. We bombed the shit out of them. Everything from their power centers to bridges was a legit target.
| 762 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:01:27am |
re: #757 Cannadian Club Akbar
But, but, Kerry is smarter than the rest of us.
/
Hey. You know Kerry would be fully behind the White House had a Republican president been behind US involvement in Libya.
//
| 763 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:01:49am |
re: #760 Cannadian Club Akbar
And he can bag a duck after hunting for only one hour. "You got one of them there huntin' licenses"?
but he's not cool enough to shoot a buddy in the face
| 764 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:01:52am |
Fox Nation: Obama Has a Big Problem With White Women
| 765 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:02:38am |
| 766 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:02:46am |
| 767 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:03:01am |
| 768 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:03:30am |
Donations to the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) no longer are tax deductible after the organization was among 275,000 tax-exempt organizations purged earlier this month by the Internal Revenue Service.The groups failed to file required annual reports, known as form 990s, detailing their revenues and expenses, for three consecutive years. CAIR had been a non-profit on its own, but in 2007, the IRS approved a separate tax-exempt CAIR Foundation. The foundation never filed any subsequent reports. Both the foundation and CAIR national are on the purge list.
CAIR has 30 state chapters throughout the country, many of which have their own non-profit designations which remain active.
While the IRS believes most of the organizations stripped of status have shut down, those still operating can apply for reinstatement. Meanwhile, CAIR's web site continues to solicit donations by touting them as tax deductible two weeks after the IRS issued the list and notifications were sent to all 275,000 purged groups.
Here is a present for the terrorist supporting and unindicted co-conspirators of the Holy Land Foundation.
| 769 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:04:03am |
re: #761 RogueOne
He can't hold out forever. The difference in the air campaigns between Bosnia and Libya is Clinton went a lot further with the bombing campaign. We bombed the shit out of them. Everything from their power centers to bridges was a legit target.
Libya is more concentrated. Problem now is that the more NATO misses [sic] we get the greater likelihood they'll see in opposition to the NATO campaign from average Libyans.
| 770 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:04:10am |
re: #765 RogueOne
snort
It's become so absurd. A few years ago this would be all ober the internet as an example of blatant racism. Today it's just par for the course.
| 771 |
darthstar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:05:24am |
re: #764 Killgore Trout
Fox Nation: Obama Has a Big Problem With White Women
I wish I had Obama's problem with white women.
| 772 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:06:30am |
re: #766 Killgore Trout
Fox & Friends Counts The Number Of Times Obama Said "I" During Afghanistan Speech
Sheesh. Now that's putting a lot of effort into an analysis and/or criticism. They'll never learn.
| 773 |
darthstar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:07:22am |
re: #772 Gus 802
Sheesh. Now that's putting a lot of effort into an analysis and/or criticism. They'll never learn.
Afghanistan has an i in it too...I wonder if they counted that.
| 774 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:08:31am |
re: #771 darthstar
I wish I had Obama's problem with white women.
I have a problem with big white women, is that the same thing?
| 776 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:09:01am |
re: #774 RogueOne
I have a problem with big white women, is that the same thing?
Not if you've been drinking.
| 777 |
iossarian Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:10:43am |
re: #774 RogueOne
I have a problem with big white women, is that the same thing?
I have a problem with white women that is related to bigness. Is that the same thing? /
| 778 |
iossarian Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:11:54am |
re: #771 darthstar
Comments include the deliciously ironic: "Obama is the biggest problem this country has had since slavery."
| 779 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:12:17am |
re: #777 iossarian
I have a problem with white women that is related to bigness. Is that the same thing? /
Not if she's been drinking.
| 780 |
darthstar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:12:42am |
Holy crap...this place has turned into the Morning Macho. Time for me to either get up and run the dogs or crack open a beer.
| 781 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:13:28am |
re: #780 darthstar
There was a very strong "down with the man" vibe earlier. I enjoyed it.
| 782 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:13:34am |
re: #780 darthstar
Holy crap...this place has turned into the Morning Macho. Time for me to either get up and run the dogs or crack open a beer.
It started about 3 hours ago.
| 783 |
Digital Display Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:14:50am |
re: #781 RogueOne
There was a very strong "down with the man" vibe earlier. I enjoyed it.
The only time I get to post on the morning shift is when I'm on vacation
| 784 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:16:12am |
re: #781 RogueOne
There was a very strong "down with the man" vibe earlier. I enjoyed it.
I am wearing a flannel shirt. Plus I just ate all of the "Trail Mix" and had about 5 cigarettes out in the cold foggy mist.
/
| 785 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:16:27am |
re: #783 HoosierHoops
I busted hump over the weekend and earlier in the week so today I'm pretty much free. I've set aside the day to sit around and make fun of stupid stuff, my favorite hobby.
| 786 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:17:10am |
Now if they only put pictures of obese people on that "Trail Mix". Maybe then I wouldn't have eaten the whole thing.
/
| 787 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:17:25am |
re: #783 HoosierHoops
You still in Indy? Did you make it through the flash flooding on the northside?
| 788 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:18:34am |
re: #782 Cannadian Club Akbar
It started about 3 hours ago.
We could always start talking about shoes. Women's shoes that is. Or what we saw on Lifetime last night.
//
| 789 |
Digital Display Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:19:13am |
re: #787 RogueOne
You still in Indy? Did you make it through the flash flooding on the northside?
I'm in a hotel in Plainfield...I love the cool weather this week
| 790 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:19:56am |
re: #788 Gus 802
We could always start talking about shoes. Women's shoes that is. Or what we saw on Lifetime last night.
//
We cover the woman's underwear subject with the guy flying.
| 791 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:20:10am |
re: #789 HoosierHoops
I'm in a hotel in Plainfield...I love the cool weather this week
Perfect weather to work outside. I skipped it on the one hot day we've had.
| 793 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:22:01am |
re: #790 Cannadian Club Akbar
We cover the woman's underwear subject with the guy flying.
I hope they at least put down a towel for that seat.
//
| 794 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:22:39am |
re: #793 Gus 802
I hope they at least put down a towel for that seat.
//
Wedding dress towel? (from yesterday)
| 795 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:23:14am |
I'd be willing to support a law that makes it illegal for men to wear a banana hammock in public. We need to differentiate ourselves from those euro-socialists.
| 796 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:26:11am |
re: #792 Cannadian Club Akbar
What did she say? I can't watch many videos on my end since it'll eat up my allotment.
| 797 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:28:44am |
War on Photographers pt. 732
“Sheer Insanity” as Reporters Arrested at Taxicab Commission Hearing
[Link: www.washingtoncitypaper.com...]
The folks at the D.C. Taxicab Commission and the U.S. Park Police have got some splainin' to do, as two reporters were arrested today during a DCTC meeting for, you know, reporting.Pete Tucker, a journalist at TheFightBack.org and a frequent advocate for independent taxi drivers, and Jim Epstein, a producer and journalist for Reason.tv, were arrested by the Park Police, apparently at the behest of members of the DCTC. Tucker and Epstein were at a DCTC public hearing that was for some reason not at its usual location but at the Park Police station at 1901 Anacostia Dr. SE.
| 798 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:29:26am |
re: #796 Gus 802
What did she say? I can't watch many videos on my end since it'll eat up my allotment.
Israelis are terrorist, occupiers, we need to stop giving them money. A Code Pinko rally.
| 799 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:31:00am |
re: #796 Gus 802
What did she say? I can't watch many videos on my end since it'll eat up my allotment.
Typical code pink. Israel and illegal war and human rights crimes. Illegal occupation stuff. Netanyahu bad, etc...
| 800 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:31:04am |
re: #798 Cannadian Club Akbar
Israelis are terrorist, occupiers, we need to stop giving them money. A Code Pinko rally.
And war crimes.
| 801 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:31:36am |
OH NO: The US Debt Ceiling Negotiations Just Blew Up
Cantor says there is an "impasse" over taxes holding up negotiations that only President Obama and House Speaker Boehner can resolve.
Currently, Vice President Joe Biden is running these negotiation
Playing chicken
| 803 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:33:51am |
re: #802 Gus 802
re: #799 RogueOne
OK. Thanks. So is she willing to say the same of Obama and his continuing occupation of Afghanistan?
//
actually, yes. She pointed out at the start of her speech that not only do we need to stop all the wars (paraphrased) but that we need to stop sending money to Israel.
| 804 |
Decatur Deb Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:33:57am |
| 805 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:34:37am |
re: #801 Killgore Trout
OH NO: The US Debt Ceiling Negotiations Just Blew Up
Playing chicken
Biden vs. Cantor? I can't decide who's the bigger douche.
| 806 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:35:06am |
| 807 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:36:02am |
re: #803 RogueOne
actually, yes. She pointed out at the start of her speech that not only do we need to stop all the wars (paraphrased) but that we need to stop sending money to Israel.
Thanks again. Anyway. I never could figure out Marin County. So liberal yet so exclusive and oh so expensive. It's like a country club environment around there. Kind of ironic yet so typical.
| 808 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:36:56am |
re: #805 Gus 802
Biden vs. Cantor? I can't decide who's the bigger douche.
Since the hangup seems to be lowering taxes for the wealthy I think Cantor wins the douche award.
| 809 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:36:58am |
re: #801 Killgore Trout
OH NO: The US Debt Ceiling Negotiations Just Blew Up
Cantor says there is an "impasse" over taxes holding up negotiations that only President Obama and House Speaker Boehner can resolve.
I guess they're going to have to hit the golf course again to get it all figured out.
| 810 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:37:35am |
re: #808 Killgore Trout
Since the hangup seems to be lowering taxes for the wealthy I think Cantor wins the douche award.
you forgot the part where the biden plan for debt reduction is spending more money.
| 811 |
Decatur Deb Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:38:56am |
re: #810 RogueOne
you forgot the part where the biden plan for debt reduction is spending more money.
And the TPGOP plan is to put a couple million more people out of work before the election.
| 813 |
Digital Display Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:39:52am |
re: #807 Gus 802
Thanks again. Anyway. I never could figure out Marin County. So liberal yet so exclusive and oh so expensive. It's like a country club environment around there. Kind of ironic yet so typical.
Marin is cool..Of course growing up in Napa Valley we always made fun of them and their hottubs and feathers..
| 814 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:39:53am |
re: #810 RogueOne
you forgot the part where the biden plan for debt reduction is spending more money.
You should read the article.....
Thus far, both sides have agreed to $2 trillion in spending cuts over the next 10 years
| 815 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:40:00am |
re: #811 Decatur Deb
Lets face it, One side is refusing to raise revenues and one side refuses to cut spending, we're sort of screwed.
| 816 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:40:45am |
re: #810 RogueOne
you forgot the part where the biden plan for debt reduction is spending more money.
No way. Biden wants to spend more money? On what? Another 100 million dollar per job "stimulus" program? Hard to believe.
//
| 817 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:41:13am |
re: #814 Killgore Trout
You should read the article...
and I guess neither side read the CBO report that came out yesterday. $2 trillion over 10 years isn't even close to serious.
| 818 |
Decatur Deb Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:41:21am |
re: #815 RogueOne
Lets face it, One side is refusing to raise revenues and one side refuses to cut spending, we're sort of screwed.
The Dems have agreed to spending cuts. The TPs refuse to increase any taxes.
| 820 |
Decatur Deb Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:44:03am |
A couple 12-year olds could come up with a formula that matches every spending cut with a proportional tax increase.
| 821 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:44:16am |
re: #684 Gus 802
DC is the epitome of efficiency.
In certain ways it is - they already have that taxation without representation thing at the Federal level down pat. The wave of the future! (where what's old is new.)
| 822 |
lawhawk Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:44:39am |
re: #814 Killgore Trout
A significant portion of that deficit reduction is based on certain assumptions about economic growth.
If those assumptions aren't met, the reduction doesn't meet the targeted figures. Also, much of the reduction is based on assumptions about reducing the size of the military, ending US obligations in Afghanistan and Iraq, etc. As we've seen, no one has a crystal ball to know when the US military will be called into action - Libya is only the latest such mission, and we're drawing down troops in Afghanistan and Iraq (but will retain sizable forces in both).
| 823 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:46:00am |
re: #818 Decatur Deb
The Dems have agreed to spending cuts. The TPs refuse to increase any taxes.
That's not entirely accurate. $2 trillion in cuts later for more spending now:
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
Senate Democrats want the deal to include a payroll tax cut, more money for highway construction and clean-energy subsidies to bring down the 9.1 percent unemployment rate."Get the recovery right before you get in this deficit-cutting mode," Assistant Senate Democratic Leader Dick Durbin told reporters. "Get people back to work."
I'll pay you tuesday for a hamburger today.
| 824 |
Ericus58 Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:46:16am |
re: #820 Decatur Deb
A couple 12-year olds could come up with a formula that matches every spending cut with a proportional tax increase.
this reminds me of a movie...
| 825 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:47:13am |
re: #821 oaktree
In certain ways it is - they already have that taxation without representation thing at the Federal level down pat. The wave of the future! (where what's old is new.)
I've wondered why people in DC and kids that are 15,16,17 have to pay taxes. And I'm not one of those people who think the constitution says we don't have to pay them.
| 826 |
Decatur Deb Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:47:49am |
re: #823 RogueOne
That's not entirely accurate. $2 trillion in cuts later for more spending now:
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
I'll pay you tuesday for a hamburger today.
That works fine, as long as you pay up on Tuesday.
| 827 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:47:50am |
re: #823 RogueOne
That's not entirely accurate. $2 trillion in cuts later for more spending now:
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
I'll pay you tuesday for a hamburger today.
How do "clean-energy subsidies" reduce unemployment? Are they serious. God I give up. Like I said earlier. I've heard enough of this crap from the Dems.
| 828 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:48:55am |
re: #827 Gus 802
How do "clean-energy subsidies" reduce unemployment? Are they serious. God I give up. Like I said earlier. I've heard enough of this crap from the Dems.
Solar panels don't install themselves!!!
//
| 829 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:50:25am |
re: #823 RogueOne
Those dickheads want to create jobs and help small businesses? Outrageous!
| 830 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:50:57am |
re: #828 Cannadian Club Akbar
Solar panels don't install themselves!!!
//
Like the one Obama has yet to reinstall on the White House? Oh right. Those solar panels.
| 831 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:52:35am |
re: #789 HoosierHoops
I'm in a hotel in Plainfield...I love the cool weather this week
Heheh. The HQ of the fraternity I belong to is in the old Carnegie Library there (Plainfield). Very nice building and I've eaten in 2-3 of the local eatreries there about.
| 832 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:53:19am |
re: #829 Killgore Trout
Those dickheads want to create jobs and help small businesses? Outrageous!
Yeah, because they've been a big help over the last couple of years.....
The did pass the new tax law that lets me deduct 100% of all new equipment purchases. I'm taking advantage of it but instead of having to hire more people it's allowed me to do more work by myself.
| 834 |
Digital Display Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:54:51am |
re: #831 oaktree
Heheh. The HQ of the fraternity I belong to is in the old Carnegie Library there (Plainfield). Very nice building and I've eaten in 2-3 of the local eatreries there about.
I like the Coachman.. good food
| 835 |
Decatur Deb Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:57:42am |
re: #833 Gus 802
Anyway. This is probably pointless on my end.
We disagree, but the whole system fails if we begin to abdicate. You're not obligated to win, but you are not free to stop fighting.
| 836 |
lostlakehiker Thu, Jun 23, 2011 7:59:25am |
re: #493 goddamnedfrank
My favorite Pacific engagement is the Battle off Samar.
USS Samuel B. Roberts - "the destroyer escort that fought like a battleship."
This sort of thing broke the nerve of the Japanese commanders on the scene. Had they persisted, the Yamato [Japan's premier battleship, with 18-inch guns] would have found herself in the happy hunting ground, facing an endless array of(can't miss-can't run-can't shoot back) loaded troop transports. She'd have been accompanied by a number of cruisers and destroyers, and maybe some other battleships or battle cruisers.
The Japanese simply could not credit their amazing good fortune in having caught the American invasion fleet without heavy escort. So they contented themselves with a minor win, (sinking even an escort carrier being something, anyhow) and ran for it before the hypothetical waves of carrier-based aircraft, and the hypothetical U.S. battleship escort force, showed up.
This one Japanese force was the only one to have any luck at all. The Japanese had sent another battleship force to try to get through another strait at the invasion fleet, and it had been caught in a classic "crossing the T" situation and badly shot up. What was left of the Japanese carrier fleet had been used as a decoy, and it too got mauled.
After these naval battles, the Japanese didn't really have a navy. Their only remaining assets were die-hard island garrisons and kamikazes.
| 837 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:01:48am |
re: #835 Decatur Deb
We disagree, but the whole system fails if we begin to abdicate. You're not obligated to win, but you are not free to stop fighting.
Sometimes fighting a losing battle means all you end up with are lumps on your forehead. Neither side in this fight is serious. If the CBO report from yesterday doesn't scare the hell out of them nothing will.
| 838 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:04:50am |
Campbell County woman attacked by police dog sues city of Knoxville
[Link: www.wate.com...]
6 News reported that the K-9, named "Elko," attacked Gora Watts, 70, back on June 9th at her home in LaFollette.A Campbell County Sheriff's Department report said the dog pulled Watts to the ground as she was getting out of her car. She had pulled the vehicle into her garage before the incident.
She showed 6 News some of her injuries and said her husband managed to knock the dog away with a tree trimmer.
An animal control officer later shot and killed "Elko."
Deputies then found Officer Jonathan Chadwell and discovered the dog was a police K-9 he kept at his home.
Whoever trained this dog and sold it to the department needs to be added to the lawsuit.
| 839 |
lostlakehiker Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:05:03am |
re: #827 Gus 802
How do "clean-energy subsidies" reduce unemployment? Are they serious. God I give up. Like I said earlier. I've heard enough of this crap from the Dems.
They don't, not immediately. Money spent on clean energy is not available for other spending. The investment tends to be technology-intensive, even though installation can be labor intensive.
Down the road, when the investment pays off, generating electricity for which no fuel must be bought and then burned, we'll be better off. But not right away.
The point of government spending isn't go reduce unemployment. We could hire every jobless person to stand next to a shovel, doing nothing, and zero out "unemployment". The problem with that sort of job is that real-world resources that are consumed by the work itself and by the wages of the workers must come from somewhere. Printing money has its limits.
| 840 |
Gus Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:06:13am |
re: #835 Decatur Deb
We disagree, but the whole system fails if we begin to abdicate. You're not obligated to win, but you are not free to stop fighting.
I believe we should compromise. Strike middle ground. Right now all I see is an awful lot of blind partisanship on both sides. Given the dominance of the office of the president that partisanship will obviously lean towards the Democrats at this time. To be honest. It's almost indistinguishable from when Bush was in the White House. In the end, and IMO, the Democrats and the Republicans are both a failure and they both answer to big corporate interests.
| 841 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:06:20am |
Buju Banton, reggae star, got a 10 years sentence for coke conspiracy in Tampa.
[Link: www.baynews9.com...]
| 843 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:08:24am |
| 844 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:12:24am |
re: #840 Gus 802
We can not afford the tax cuts for the rich that the Republicans are insisting on.
| 845 |
reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:13:53am |
re: #843 RogueOne
Took me a few to decipher that one.....It's
a tough code...but can be done with the right soft ware.../
Don't ask...it's nasty!
| 846 |
kirkspencer Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:14:51am |
re: #675 RogueOne
CBO Updates its Report on the Looming Debt Crisis
[Link: blogs.forbes.com...]Key phrase #1:
Key phrase #2:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
In contrast, of course, is the report itself. [Link: www.cbo.gov...]
That doomsday scenario is the consequence of tax cuts being extended and the basic "austerity" package going in play. If, on the other hand, there are no changes in law - Bush tax cuts expire and the ACA is allowed to remain in play - things look better. Not good, mind you, as the prediction is that federal debt goes to 84% of GDP by 2035 and interest payments rising to 4% of GDP, but a heck of a lot better than the debt going to double GDP under the GOP plans.
| 847 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:15:36am |
My dog finally caught a bird yesterday. Now that she knows she can do it she's outside going all out. She's standing in the middle of the yard jumping up and down trying to catch birds that are flying over. Sometimes I don't think she's all that bright but at least she tries.
| 848 |
Decatur Deb Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:18:21am |
Alabama's "Show me your papers" law gets no love from our leading newspaper: [Link: blog.al.com...]
| 850 |
lawhawk Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:18:54am |
re: #846 kirkspencer
Is that also assuming no changes to the AMT? The AMT has to be manually adjusted by Congress annually and the CBO doesn't reflect those changes because it is based on law as currently in effect.
There's a significant chunk of change involved in the AMT and budget scoring treats the AMT as though it doesn't get amended annually.
Any tax package should deal with the AMT and wrap it back into the standard tax code - simplifying it considerably. At a minimum, it should be pegged to inflation in the same manner as the current IRC bracket rates.
| 851 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:20:12am |
re: #846 kirkspencer
Yes. If we actually get rid of the doc fix, slash medicaid and medicare, allow the AMT to go into effect, and keep our fingers crossed that medical costs don't rise, we're only going to push the debt limit to almost 100% of GDP. That's the rosy scenario.
| 852 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:22:00am |
I thought NY was going to pass the gay marriage law. MSNBC is saying it's stuck. What did I miss?
| 853 |
reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:23:16am |
re: #847 RogueOne
Emmett...9 mo.. old boxer,loves the rain bird sprinkler.
He'll jump 6 ft to get a blast right in the face!lol
..for an hour....What a maroon...
| 854 |
wrenchwench Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:23:45am |
re: #847 RogueOne
My dog finally caught a bird yesterday. Now that she knows she can do it she's outside going all out. She's standing in the middle of the yard jumping up and down trying to catch birds that are flying over. Sometimes I don't think she's all that bright but at least she tries.
Sounds like a Lab.
| 855 |
lawhawk Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:24:12am |
re: #852 RogueOne
I thought NY was going to pass the gay marriage law. MSNBC is saying it's stuck. What did I miss?
Nothing. The gay marriage bill is still under negotiation. It looked like it would be part of a framework deal to pass a bunch of other measures, including rent control, tuition hikes, and a property tax cap, but those items were agreed upon. the gay marriage bill is still hung up on language giving certain groups immunity from liability if they refuse to grant gay couples the use of space in their facilities (banquet halls, etc.)
| 856 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:24:45am |
re: #854 wrenchwench
Sounds like a Lab.
She's a doberman that's always hungry. She was a stray for awhile so she likes to hunt.
| 858 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:27:55am |
This story is just nasty:
Chattanooga man's body to be exhumed to remove wrong dentures
[Link: www.wate.com...]
CHATTANOOGA (AP) - A Chattanooga man's body is being exhumed to remove dentures that belong to another man after a hospital employee mistakenly gave them to the wrong family.Parkridge Medical Center spokeswoman Alison Counts told The Chattanooga Times Free Press that the body of 76-year-old Kenneth Ray Manis will be exhumed after his family learned the dentures Manis was buried with actually belonged to an intensive care patient who shared the same hospital room.
Court records obtained by the newspaper showed Manis died on June 12. Counts said Manis' family requested that the dentures be removed from the coffin.
WTF. Who the hell cares at this point? The dead guy isn't going to be doing a whole lot of chewing down there.
| 859 |
Digital Display Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:28:26am |
| 860 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:29:46am |
re: #858 RogueOne
This story is just nasty:
Chattanooga man's body to be exhumed to remove wrong dentures
[Link: www.wate.com...]WTF. Who the hell cares at this point? The dead guy isn't going to be doing a whole lot of chewing down there.
Especially not if they take his dentures away.
| 861 |
reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:29:58am |
It's going to be an amazing weekend in Central Utah..
The boat is ready!!Wife tells me we have a Wedding at 5 pm Sat..
..Who's we??
I guess it will be the lake on Sunday..shit...
| 862 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:31:28am |
re: #860 negativ
Especially not if they take his dentures away.
Maybe they want to make sure he's ready when the zombie apocalypse comes.
| 863 |
kirkspencer Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:36:47am |
re: #851 RogueOne
Yes. If we actually get rid of the doc fix, slash medicaid and medicare, allow the AMT to go into effect, and keep our fingers crossed that medical costs don't rise, we're only going to push the debt limit to almost 100% of GDP. That's the rosy scenario.
um, no. If we leave the doc fix, slash medicaid and medicare payments as per the ACA, allow the AMT go into effect, and the ACA does control medical costs as it's anticipated, we're only going to push the debt limit to less than 100% of GDP. Just a couple of minor differences.
| 864 |
Sheila Broflovski Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:39:29am |
re: #858 RogueOne
This story is just nasty:
Chattanooga man's body to be exhumed to remove wrong dentures
[Link: www.wate.com...]WTF. Who the hell cares at this point? The dead guy isn't going to be doing a whole lot of chewing down there.
What's even worse if they give them back to the other guy.
| 865 |
Ericus58 Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:44:41am |
re: #864 Alouette
What's even worse if they give them back to the other guy.
Imagine the story grandpa is going to have for the holidays this year to tell all the little kids...
"Now let me tell you a story about an adventure my dentures had this year.....
There they were, all alone and in the dark in the mouth of some strangers dead body....."
No freakin' way I can imagine someone putting those dentures back into their mouth after being inserted into a dead guy....
| 866 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:45:14am |
re: #863 kirkspencer
The report said if we remove the "doc fix" not keep it. We were supposed to start cutting their payments years ago and it's never gone into affect. The report goes on to say the medical costs are expected to rise, not decrease, meaning the rosier of the two scenarios is a little too rosy.
| 867 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:46:07am |
| 868 |
darthstar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:48:40am |
re: #781 RogueOne
There was a very strong "down with the man" vibe earlier. I enjoyed it.
I missed that...those are fun. That said, I do enjoy my morning bullshit sessions here. Now that I'm safely ensconced in my office - crap...just had a calendar pop-up reminder...never mind.
See you all later...again.
| 869 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:49:58am |
re: #863 kirkspencer
BTW, they didn't include all our costs in their report. There is still the problem reported on last week about our unfunded liabilities. Their "not so bad" scenario is off by tens of trillions.
U.S. funding for future promises lags by trillions
[Link: www.usatoday.com...]
| 870 |
ReamWorks SKG Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:52:22am |
re: #864 Alouette
The article is a little vague, but I think the family of the deceased just didn't want Grandpa going to Heaven with the wrong teeth!
If it were my Grandpa, I would have left them. It seems much more disrespectful and messy to have to dig someone up. And Grandpa will have a funny story to tell in the world-to-come!
| 871 |
RogueOne Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:53:05am |
It's too beautiful outside to stay indoors any longer. 69 degrees and breezy. I'm going to go be productive, enjoy the day people!
| 872 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:57:04am |
re: #855 lawhawk
Nothing. The gay marriage bill is still under negotiation. It looked like it would be part of a framework deal to pass a bunch of other measures, including rent control, tuition hikes, and a property tax cap, but those items were agreed upon. the gay marriage bill is still hung up on language giving certain groups immunity from liability if they refuse to grant gay couples the use of space in their facilities (banquet halls, etc.)
Such a huge business loss. Whatever, bigots.
Not much is mentioned about the huge surge in wedding business if gays are allowed to marry. Surprised there isn't a huge lobby by the flower and cake businesses.
| 873 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Jun 23, 2011 8:57:38am |
re: #872 Stanley Sea
God, do I like the word huge this morning? i.e. my huge coffee I'm trying to down.
| 874 |
Digital Display Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:00:31am |
re: #871 RogueOne
It's too beautiful outside to stay indoors any longer. 69 degrees and breezy. I'm going to go be productive, enjoy the day people!
I'm waiting in a hotel room for all my Hoosier buddies to get off work..Daytime TV sucks..We'll go out again tonight and I'll pay the bar tab and they probably can't wait till I head back to Oklahoma...
I personally am responsible for their hangovers this week...
| 875 |
Alexzander Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:07:44am |
re: #874 HoosierHoops
I'm waiting in a hotel room for all my Hoosier buddies to get off work..Daytime TV sucks..We'll go out again tonight and I'll pay the bar tab and they probably can't wait till I head back to Oklahoma...
I personally am responsible for their hangovers this week...
What city are you in? You should get out and explore.
| 876 |
kirkspencer Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:12:45am |
re: #866 RogueOne
The report said if we remove the "doc fix" not keep it. We were supposed to start cutting their payments years ago and it's never gone into affect. The report goes on to say the medical costs are expected to rise, not decrease, meaning the rosier of the two scenarios is a little too rosy.
No, you're misreading it but that's in part because it's written in somewhat confusing language. From the report:
The current-law assumption of the extended-baseline scenario implies that many adjustments that lawmakers have routinely made in the past—such as changes to the AMT and to the Medicare program’s payments to physicians—will not be made again.
3
The routine changes in the case of the physician payments are the continuing delay of the doc fix. You can see this best by noting the alternative fiscal scenario description under table 1-1:
As scheduled under current law, except that payment rates for physicians are maintained at the 2011 levels through 2021 (rather than at the lower rates of the sustainable growth rate mechanism) and that, after 2021, several policies that would restrain spending growth are assumed not to be in effect.
I accept the correction of anticipated medical costs with the caveat that the CBO expects the ACA to restrain the increases in comparison to what those costs would do without it.
| 877 |
Ericus58 Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:15:58am |
Boeing 787 lands at the Paris air show.... viewed through the airport FLIR camera:
| 878 |
Digital Display Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:20:16am |
re: #875 Alexzander
What city are you in? You should get out and explore.
I'm on the west side of Indy..I'm only here to visit my Indy buddies.. I know the area...I'll leave Saturday and return this Winter for the Superbowl...
| 879 |
lawhawk Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:21:15am |
re: #877 Ericus58
Better late than never... but Boeing has to really deliver on those planes to justify all those delays.
| 881 |
darthstar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:25:18am |
re: #880 JasonA
I see they finally caught Whitey Bolger.
Didn't Fox News say President Obama had a big problem with him?
| 883 |
darthstar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:30:53am |
| 884 |
Mocking Jay Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:34:09am |
re: #881 darthstar
Didn't Fox News say President Obama had a big problem with him?
Different Whitey.
| 885 |
lawhawk Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:34:49am |
Interesting.... very interesting.
Among those killed in that Russian plane crash earlier this week were several scientists working on the Iranian nuclear plant at Bushehr.
Five Russian scientists who assisted in the design of Iran's Bushehr nuclear power plant were among the 44 fatalities of Monday's Russian plain crash, Moscow's International News Agency RIA Novosti reported Thursday.The Tupolev-134 plane broke up and caught fire upon making an emergency landing outside the northern city of Petrozavodsk. A preliminary investigation ruled out the possibility of a technical failure.
Russian aircraft, particularly the TU-134 have been notoriously prone to accidents, so it isn't all that surprising.
This will be a setback to the Iranian nuclear ambitions since these were among the top scientists working on the project. It will also hamper Russian nuclear energy initiatives around the world, since these were major figures in the Russian nuclear community.
| 886 |
Mocking Jay Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:40:09am |
| 887 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:40:59am |
re: #872 Stanley Sea
Such a huge business loss. Whatever, bigots.
Not much is mentioned about the huge surge in wedding business if gays are allowed to marry. Surprised there isn't a huge lobby by the flower and cake businesses.
I wonder why divorce lawyers aren't lobbying for Gay Marriage.
/
| 888 |
Mocking Jay Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:41:37am |
MT @cbellantoni: Christine O'Donnell's new book is called .Troublemaker: Let’s Do What It Takes to Make America Great Again
evanmc_s Just now
| 889 |
lawhawk Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:43:05am |
re: #887 Cannadian Club Akbar
Only last year did NY finally adopt no-fault divorce as a standard. It had been a holdout on divorce for cause.
More divorces=more marriages=more money for Kleinfelds and their competitors.
Gay marriage would potentially do the same.
| 890 |
General Nimrod Bodfish Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:50:15am |
Tornado warning for Woodford County, KY in effect until 1PM EDT:
AT 1240 PM EDT...WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR CONTINUED TO INDICATE A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WITH STRONG ROTATION. THIS TORNADO WAS LOCATED NEAR MILNER...MOVING EAST AT 30 MPH.
* THE TORNADO WILL ALSO IMPACT...
VERSAILLES... GAYBOURN AND FIRMANTOWN... PISGAH AND FAYWOOD...
The tornadic cell looks to be over Versailles now. It's about 12.5 miles west of Lexington.
| 891 |
General Nimrod Bodfish Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:02:38am |
The tornado warning for Woodford County, KY will be allowed to expire at 1PM EDT, which is about now. The storm has moved out of Woodford County and into Fayette County, so expect a tornado warning for Fayette County if the storm hasn't weakened.
| 892 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:05:22am |
re: #885 lawhawk
Interesting... very interesting.
Among those killed in that Russian plane crash earlier this week were several scientists working on the Iranian nuclear plant at Bushehr.
Russian aircraft, particularly the TU-134 have been notoriously prone to accidents, so it isn't all that surprising.This will be a setback to the Iranian nuclear ambitions since these were among the top scientists working on the project. It will also hamper Russian nuclear energy initiatives around the world, since these were major figures in the Russian nuclear community.
I presume multiple sites have already blamed Israel/Mossad for causing the crash?
| 893 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:14:49am |
re: #892 oaktree
I presume multiple sites have already blamed Israel/Mossad for causing the crash?
Of course there is!
Nuclear experts killed in Russia plane crash helped design Iran facility
-This certainly raises an eyebrow and looks like one of those ever-so-convenient “coincidences” that see key people killed or disgraced at critical moments. It cannot, and likely will never, be proven that foul play was involved here but there is an awful lot of smoke here for there to not be any fire. The real question is whether the U.S. or Israel is behind it to sabotage the Iranian program or whether Russia is behind it to cover their tracks and get rid of witnesses. Plane crashes do seem to be a favorite of the Central Intelligence Agency though. Also keep in mind that there is no such thing as unbiased or objective news in a nation like Russia, even if there was a suspicion of foul play amongst those on the ground, it does not imply such a suspicion would make it into the “official” news.-
LOL!!!
| 894 |
General Nimrod Bodfish Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:18:01am |
New tornado warning in KY:
TORNADO WARNING FOR...
SOUTHWESTERN BOURBON COUNTY IN EAST CENTRAL KENTUCKY...
NORTHWESTERN CLARK COUNTY IN EAST CENTRAL KENTUCKY...
CENTRAL FAYETTE COUNTY IN EAST CENTRAL KENTUCKY...
THIS INCLUDES THE CITY OF LEXINGTON...
* UNTIL 145 PM EDT...
* AT 108 PM EDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A TORNADO. THIS DANGEROUS STORM WAS LOCATED NEAR MEADOWTHORPE...MOVING EAST AT 35 MPH.
* THIS TORNADIC STORM WILL ALSO IMPACT...
DOWNTOWN LEXINGTON...
BRYAN STATION...
THOROUGHBRED ACRES...
NORTHLAND...
COLUMBUS AND MUIR...
AVON AND FENWICK...
A SHELF CLOUD WAS REPORTED WITH THIS STORM.
This is the same cell that cause the tornado warning in Woodford County. The tornadic cell is over the northern part of Lexington, KY.
| 895 |
General Nimrod Bodfish Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:43:09am |
The tornado warning for eastern Fayette County, KY has been cancelled as the tornadic cell has left the affected area.
The tornado warnings for northern Clark and southern Bourbon counties until 145PM EDT:
AT 132 PM EDT...WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR CONTINUED TO INDICATE A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WITH STRONG ROTATION. THIS TORNADO WAS LOCATED NEAR SILVER LAKE...MOVING EAST AT 35 MPH.
* THE TORNADO WILL ALSO IMPACT...
ESCONDIDA...
AUSTERLITZ...
FENWICK...
Now a tornado watch has been issued for the eastern half of KY, SW parts of WV, extreme southern parts of OH, and for north-central portions of TN:
THE NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER HAS ISSUED A
TORNADO WATCH FOR PORTIONS OF
LARGE PART OF CENTRAL AND EASTERN KENTUCKY
PARTS OF SOUTHERN OHIO
PARTS OF MIDDLE TENNESSEE
PARTS OF WESTERN WEST VIRGINIA
EFFECTIVE THIS THURSDAY AFTERNOON AND EVENING FROM 1240 PM UNTIL 800 PM CDT.
TORNADOES...HAIL TO 2 INCHES IN DIAMETER...THUNDERSTORM WIND GUSTS TO 70 MPH...AND DANGEROUS LIGHTNING ARE POSSIBLE IN THESE AREAS.
THE TORNADO WATCH AREA IS APPROXIMATELY ALONG AND 90 STATUTE MILES EAST AND WEST OF A LINE FROM 20 MILES SOUTH SOUTHEAST OF NASHVILLE TENNESSEE TO 30 MILES NORTH NORTHWEST OF CHARLESTON WEST VIRGINIA. FOR A COMPLETE DEPICTION OF THE WATCH SEE THE ASSOCIATED WATCH OUTLINE UPDATE (WOUS64 KWNS WOU1).
REMEMBER...A TORNADO WATCH MEANS CONDITIONS ARE FAVORABLE FOR TORNADOES AND SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS IN AND CLOSE TO THE WATCH AREA. PERSONS IN THESE AREAS SHOULD BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR THREATENING WEATHER CONDITIONS AND LISTEN FOR LATER STATEMENTS AND POSSIBLE WARNINGS.
| 896 |
General Nimrod Bodfish Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:45:29am |
And another tornado warning in KY:
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN LOUISVILLE HAS ISSUED A
* TORNADO WARNING FOR...
SOUTHEASTERN BOURBON COUNTY IN EAST CENTRAL KENTUCKY...
NORTHERN CLARK COUNTY IN EAST CENTRAL KENTUCKY...
* UNTIL 200 PM EDT...
* AT 137 PM EDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A TORNADO. THIS DANGEROUS STORM WAS LOCATED NEAR STONY POINT...MOVING EAST AT 35 MPH.
* THIS TORNADIC STORM WILL ALSO IMPACT...
NORTH MIDDLETOWN...
BUNKER HILL AND PLUM...
| 897 |
General Nimrod Bodfish Thu, Jun 23, 2011 11:06:04am |
The tornado warnings for northern Clark and southern Bourbon counties in KY have been cancelled as the tornadic cell has left the warned area. The cell is now in northern Montgomery County, about 5.5 miles NW of Mt Sterling. Expect a tornado warning for northern Montgomery County in the next few minutes if the cell hasn't lost strength.
There is a severe thunderstorm warning for northern Montgomery and western Bath counties. This is from the same cell that has been causing tornado warnings for the counties west of it:
AT 152 PM EDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING QUARTER SIZE HAIL...AND DAMAGING WINDS IN EXCESS OF 60 MPH. THIS STORM WAS LOCATED NEAR SIDEVIEW...OR 7 MILES NORTHWEST OF MOUNT STERLING...MOVING EAST AT 35 MPH.
LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE...
JUDY...STOOPS...EWINGTON...FLAT CREEK...STEPSTONE...
REYNOLDSVILLE...KENDALL SPRINGS AND SHARPSBURG.
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The Pandemic Cost 7 Million Lives, but Talks to Prevent a Repeat Stall In late 2021, as the world reeled from the arrival of the highly contagious omicron variant of the coronavirus, representatives of almost 200 countries met - some online, some in-person in Geneva - hoping to forestall a future worldwide ... Cheechako
Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
