Dutch Hatemonger Geert Wilders Acquitted of Inciting Hatred

Wilders benefits from the freedom he wants to take away from Muslims
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Dutch demagogue Geert Wilders, hero of the right wing “anti-jihad” loons, has been acquitted of hate speech in the Netherlands.

The presiding judge said Wilders’ remarks were sometimes “hurtful,” “shocking” or “offensive,” but that they were made in the context of a public debate about Muslim integration and multi-culturalism, and therefore not a criminal act.

“I am extremely pleased and happy,” Wilders told reporters after the ruling. “This is not so much a win for myself, but a victory for freedom of speech. Fortunately you can criticize Islam and not be gagged in public debate.”

The ruling could embolden Wilders further.

As I’ve said from the beginning of Wilders’ trial, it’s wrong to prosecute anyone for free expression, no matter how hateful and deranged that expression is.

But it’s sadly ironic that Wilders was acquitted of exactly the same kind of persecution he wants to impose on all Muslims; he often calls for the Koran to be banned, advocates that Islam should not be considered a religion at all, and explicitly advocates that Muslims be stripped of the rights of free speech and free religion.

This is the correct judgment by the Netherlands court, but Geert Wilders is no hero of free speech — he’s a slimy hate-monger, just like the American bloggers who worship him.

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41 comments
1 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:43:35am

I hate it when that happens. J/K. Free speech is very important. It also lets me call Wilders a douche.

2 Political Atheist  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:43:43am

This illustrates the real prices society pays for free speech. It comes with the territory. We can and should of course shun and marginalize the hate speech makers.

3 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:46:55am

Best not to make the slimy hate-mongers hide and fester. Leave them out in the open where they can be mocked and repudiated.

4 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:49:29am

I went to the Harpy’s site. Didn’t see anything there yet. Hit the “home” button. And FWIW, her blog sucks.

5 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 9:57:03am

re: #4 Cannadian Club Akbar

I went to the Harpy’s site. Didn’t see anything there yet. Hit the “home” button. And FWIW, her blog sucks.

It’s the ad banners for all the crap she advertises and sells, which can’t be suppressed by ad-blocking add ins.

6 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:02:18am

re: #5 Alouette

It’s the ad banners for all the crap she advertises and sells, which can’t be suppressed by ad-blocking add ins.

Not to mention all the crap she’s trying to sell in the middle column, which can’t be suppressed for the same reason Wilders gets to keep spewing.

7 William of Orange  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:05:14am

I’m glad he’s not convicted. A conviction would have opened the flood doors of all kinds of court cases. But as Charles said, freedom of speech cuts both ways.

But I don’t think the fight is done yet. Minorities behind the court case, who understandably reacted with dismay, will try to bring this farce to the European courts and the United Nations. Since this was a ruling of the Dutch supreme court, a further legal move in the Netherlands is no longer possible.

8 William of Orange  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:07:19am

re: #1 Cannadian Club Akbar

I hate it when that happens. J/K. Free speech is very important. It also lets me call Wilders a douche.

You are indeed. But death threats, like Wilders recieved, are still not allowed and will not be accepted. You may even call me a douche. I won’t hate you. ;-)

9 William of Orange  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:11:24am

re: #4 Cannadian Club Akbar

I went to the Harpy’s site. Didn’t see anything there yet. Hit the “home” button. And FWIW, her blog sucks.

You have the freedom to post the link here. (But please… don’t!)

10 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:16:07am

One is allowed to speak hurtful things. One is allowed to sell bland, nasty food. One is allowed to make ugly art.

Just don’t ask me to like it.

11 122 Year Old Obama  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:16:11am

re: #4 Cannadian Club Akbar

Given her perpetual raging, one has to wonder what her blood pressure is like…

12 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:16:33am

re: #4 Cannadian Club Akbar

I went to the Harpy’s site. Didn’t see anything there yet. Hit the “home” button. And FWIW, her blog sucks.

For all her popularity with right-wing goons and Muslims haters, her blog has so few commenters. Just strikes me as odd.

13 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:17:30am

Not guilty doesn’t mean not a complete asshole.

14 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:19:38am

re: #4 Cannadian Club Akbar

I went to the Harpy’s site. Didn’t see anything there yet. Hit the “home” button. And FWIW, her blog sucks.

A post on Wilders is there. Scroll down, 5 posts down from the top.

15 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:21:21am

No freedom of speech legislation ever is absolute. There are always limits to what you can legally say. Slander is legal in how many jurisdictions, for instance? I guess Wilders argument is that the Koran amounts to “fighting words”, i.e. a call to incite violence, while his own anti-Islam statements do not. Leaving aside whether he’s right or not, the legal arguments seem to be a lot more involved than he makes it out to be.

16 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:28:10am

re: #14 eclectic infidel

A post on Wilders is there. Scroll down, 5 posts down from the top.

Is it ok if I take your word for it?:)

17 Stanley Sea  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:29:04am

Eric Cantor is such a tool.

18 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:30:02am

bbiab.

19 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:31:39am

Speaking of complete assholes,

Barrett Brown exposes US intel operation

20 SidewaysQuark  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:33:57am

Geert is certainly not the “hero of free speech” here, Charles is right. But there are heroes of free speech here - they’re the Netherlands court that made the judgment. Good call.

21 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:39:48am

re: #6 wrenchwench

Not to mention all the crap she’s trying to sell in the middle column, which can’t be suppressed for the same reason Wilders gets to keep spewing.

And she also has that totally friggen annoying highlighted keywords that generate a popup if you pass your mouse over by mistake. I totally hate those!

22 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:48:44am

re: #21 Alouette

And she also has that totally friggen annoying highlighted keywords that generate a popup if you pass your mouse over by mistake. I totally hate those!

Someone should tell her that gimmick was invented by the Saudis just to watch her freak out.

23 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:49:08am

re: #10 EmmmieG

One is allowed to speak hurtful things. One is allowed to sell bland, nasty food. One is allowed to make ugly art.

Just don’t ask me to like it.

But if you don’t like it, you’re a “MuslimJihadist Apologist LOLWTFOMGBBQ!11”

24 Lady_Love  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:49:15am

re: #15 000G

No freedom of speech legislation ever is absolute. There are always limits to what you can legally say. Slander is legal in how many jurisdictions, for instance? I guess Wilders argument is that the Koran amounts to “fighting words”, i.e. a call to incite violence, while his own anti-Islam statements do not. Leaving aside whether he’s right or not, the legal arguments seem to be a lot more involved than he makes it out to be.

(1st comment, go easy) I think he’s not arguing that his words aren’t ‘fighting words’ but since the Koran is (his opin) then his speech is simply return speech and not covered (I think)

25 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 10:57:36am

re: #24 Lady_Love

(1st comment, go easy

It gets easier as you go along

Welcome

26 Lady_Love  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 11:00:07am

re: #25 sattv4u2

I’m just not up on muslim things or much of anything outside my little world :)

27 SidewaysQuark  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 11:00:33am

re: #24 Lady_Love

(1st comment, go easy) I think he’s not arguing that his words aren’t ‘fighting words’ but since the Koran is (his opin) then his speech is simply return speech and not covered (I think)

You’re probably correct.

However, in the end, I don’t think this is what matters.

Books don’t have rights.
Ideas don’t have rights.
Religions don’t have rights.
Cultures don’t have rights.
Feelings don’t have rights.

PEOPLE have rights.

I’m glad the court reached this conclusion, as well.

28 Ericus58  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 11:00:34am

re: #19 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Speaking of complete assholes,

Barrett Brown exposes US intel operation

He’s just lookin’ out for Mankind…… what about the women I ask?!?!

29 Lady_Love  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 11:01:30am

re: #27 SidewaysQuark

Oh, it’s a good decision; I was just replying to the oog post

30 SidewaysQuark  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 11:01:57am

re: #29 Lady_Love

Oh, it’s a good decision; I was just replying to the oog post

Yup, I got that - just adding to the commentary :-)

31 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 11:04:16am

re: #19 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Speaking of complete assholes,

Barrett Brown exposes US intel operation

I thought he was supposed to be a writer.

The latter is known to have provided the Bush-era National Security Agency free reign over customer communications

Hey, what happened to that book that was supposed to come out a year ago?

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32 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 11:06:29am

re: #26 Lady_Love

I’m just not up on muslim things or much of anything outside my little world :)

Don’t let any of us kid you

Neither are we, really

:)

33 Lady_Love  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 11:08:34am

re: #32 sattv4u2

Collectively beat the crap out of me though :) and gotta run; be back tonight I hope

34 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 11:36:49am

re: #19 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Speaking of complete assholes,

Barrett Brown exposes US intel operation

Interesting. What a dick.

35 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 12:37:46pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

Interesting. What a dick.

See also:

via [Link: th3j35t3r.wordpress.com…]

36 ThomasLite  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 1:14:14pm

re: #7 William of Orange

I’m glad he’s not convicted. A conviction would have opened the flood doors of all kinds of court cases. But as Charles said, freedom of speech cuts both ways.

But I don’t think the fight is done yet. Minorities behind the court case, who understandably reacted with dismay, will try to bring this farce to the European courts and the United Nations. Since this was a ruling of the Dutch supreme court, a further legal move in the Netherlands is no longer possible.

actually, that’s incorrect. this verdict was passed by the ‘rechtbank’ which is (aside from small claims court -like single judge courts) the lowest court in the Netherlands. the order to prosecute Wilders was passed by a court of appeals (gerechtshof - translations, due to differing legal systems are at best approximations, sorry) which is a tier higher, but even that is not the supreme court (hoge raad, for most proceedings, that is).

the reason there will be no further legal proceedings against Wilders is something entirely different. Criminal charges can only be brought by the Dutch equivalent of the DA’s office (Openbaar Ministerie) - which, even in this process asked the court for either a sentence of not guilty or a dismissal of all charges (again, close equivalent, and off of the top of my head).

They don’t for a moment feel any of this should be considered criminal.
the only reason they prosecuted in the first place is that they were ordered to under Art. 12 SV (rules of criminal procedure) to do so by the gerechtshof Amsterdam.
Art. 12 allows for a complaint to be brought against the OM (DA’s office equiv.) by an injured party in an (alleged) crime, asking for a court order to the OM to prosecute an (alleged) offender, even if the OM exercised it’s discretionary authority (opportuniteitsbeginsel, for those bored enough to look up the local details somehow) to not do so.

now since there’s no provision under Dutch criminal law to order the OM to appeal a verdict, and the OM believes this verdict to be entirely correct, there’s not a chance further proceedings will be brought.

furthermore, even if their whole little (rather embarrassingly ridiculous) UN/ECHR exercise does not get thrown out right away, there’s just no way it’ll fly.

as far as the ECHR goes, their judgements have always left some discretionary wiggleroom to subject nations in implementing the ETHR and it’s protocols. that wiggle room, however, barely even allowed the gerechtshof Amsterdam to order prosecution, and even that was a hotly debated issue. now the idea that they might actually swing this the other way entirely is ludicrous.
it’s over, schlüss, fermé, voorbij, etc.

Ironic, yes, certainly. haven’t heard much of the ‘ban the Koran’ crap lately though. they’re shedding a lot of their more extremist feathers. far from respectable still, but anyway, I’d say that’s a good thing.

37 martinsmithy  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 1:31:23pm

It’s important to remember that there is no equivalent of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution when it comes to freedom of speech in most other nations around the world. Wilders is free to advocate Muslims be denied free expression in the Netherlands, and Muslims and leftists are free to advocate that Wilders be denied such expression.

This is one time I’m glad the U.S. is different from most of the rest of the world.

38 mikec6666  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 1:44:06pm

It was a bad case to begin with. I don’t support that character in any way, but prosecuting him for speech instantly legitimizes him and the speech, and now his followers have a victory.

39 ThomasLite  Thu, Jun 23, 2011 2:31:19pm

re: #37 martinsmithy

It’s important to remember that there is no equivalent of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution when it comes to freedom of speech in most other nations around the world. Wilders is free to advocate Muslims be denied free expression in the Netherlands, and Muslims and leftists are free to advocate that Wilders be denied such expression.

This is one time I’m glad the U.S. is different from most of the rest of the world.

[Link: secure.wikimedia.org…]

that is binding, taking precedence over national law, in all of the EU,russia, turkey and a few other states.

granted, actually according it the respect it deserves is something else entirely, but it’s there.

40 Rocktheboat  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 6:24:52am

The Wilders’ acquittal comes at a time when Dutch public opinion has completely soured on admitting under-educated people from undemocratic Islamic regimes to the Netherlands where some freely espouse their intolerance of Jews, Israel, Christians, gays, Islamic apostates etc. My country remains a very very tolerant one. In many ways much more so than the US! But it no longer tolerates intolerance or aids and abets racist close-minded newcomers by remaining silent. To get there a Dutch parliamentarian has had to lean to live with bodyguards 24/7 _ a common sight in the US but an offensive one in the Netherlands! A Dutch female Islamic apostate had to move into exile in the US. A Dutch filmmaker who made an Islam-critical documentary had to be murdered by an unrepenting Muslim. Gay bashing had to go up. And soccer fans had to feel free enough to make hissing noises (in the manner of leaking gas) at Ajax Amsterdam matches. Wilders’ anti-Islam narrative grates but to demonize him is to miss the point. Look at the context. (Charles Johnson is quite wrong to say Wilders ‘explicitly advocates’ Muslims lose their rights of free speech and religion.’) Wilders engages public sentiment in the Netherlands and elsewhere in Europe where, at last, governments are slowly taking a cue: they now embrace the view that newcomers to a house of many colors are welcome only if they abide by the rules of such a house.

41 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 25, 2011 6:32:55am

re: #40 Rocktheboat

Welcome, newbie, if you’re a newbie. You are posting at the bottom of a long-abandoned thread, where people will notice your effort only by accident. Bring your message to a similar current thread or page, they recur often.


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