Sometimes in the middle of the night, I think of something that’s funny, then I go get a pen and I write it down. Or if the pen’s too far away, I have to convince myself that what I thought of ain’t funny.
— Mitch Hedberg
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darthstar Mon, Jun 27, 2011 9:59:10pm |
Stevie Ray Vaughn wasn't loading, so I place this image here instead.
Against gay marriage? Blame straight people for having so many gay babies. Ha!
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Alexzander Mon, Jun 27, 2011 10:05:48pm |
Sorry to anyone who spent more than five minutes waiting for an infinite loading youtube .gif in the previous thread.
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Alexzander Mon, Jun 27, 2011 10:15:57pm |
re: #2 Alexzander
riverrun, past Eve and Adam's, from swerve of shore to bend of bay, brings us by a commodious vicus of recirculation back to Howth Castle and Environs.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jun 27, 2011 10:21:33pm |
Hooray for the talking heads!
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Kragar Mon, Jun 27, 2011 10:28:32pm |
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SteveMcG Mon, Jun 27, 2011 10:53:27pm |
re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I always liked "Nothing But Flowers".
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SteveMcG Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:14:14pm |
Somehow on YouTube I got on a bunch of Queen music. Forgot how much I liked them.
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okiefrommuskogie Mon, Jun 27, 2011 11:50:33pm |
is there a way to upload a personal pic here? the pic doesn't have any ppl in it.....
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freetoken Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:08:05am |
re: #8 okiefrommuskogie
You can upload not-too-big images in a Page.
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freetoken Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:09:02am |
Polo Montañez with "Un Monton De Estrellas", a great dance tune:
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Summer Seale Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:59:03am |
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lostlakehiker Tue, Jun 28, 2011 2:04:02am |
Here's some news from across the pond in Britain. The National Teacher's Union [NUT] (you can't make this stuff up!) and many other unions are set to strike.
They do such a good job, and then the government wants to go and cut their wages and benefits. Or, at any rate, slow the rate of increase. Everybody else is doing just peachy, so why shouldn't teachers and other public sector employees see similar raises, right? ///sarc
Here's a paragraph from the article, followd by some reader comments [clearly, these are not ignorant Republicans]: British News Report.
Up to 750,000 workers will walk out for 24 hours, closing thousands of schools and colleges in England and Wales and disrupting Government departments, courts, driving tests and job centres.
The unions had called for a "serious response" from ministers but one leader said the discussions were a "farce".
Why is it that when the unions spend years getting good working conditions for its members and which has a knock on effect into the private sector giveing better wages pensions and a better way of liveing the tory,s come along and try to destroy it takeing the working people back to the past and they never move forward allways takeing and never giveing and yet can blow billions on unjust wars aid to educate against terror and yet take away money from uk education?THE people that were smashing up shops had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE UNIONS THERE PROTEST WAS PEACEFUL FACT?THE private sector which i work in poor wages poor conditions and to top it told no payrise this year as ression on and yet we have doubled profits this year ?Take a good look at what this goverment has done not one thought out policey and the only cuts it has made has hit the poor the hardest ?If the goverment win this fight god help us at the bottom?I BACK THE UNION ON THIS
right befind u lets teach this two faceed back stabing Government dont mese with us lets boot out this lot look whot hapend when we hade that old wich of a bag in last time whot do thay say better with the deval you now then the deval you dount now so lets get laber in
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:01:19am |
Morning Honcos. Even thought no one is here. I wonder, if I say morning honcos and there is no one here to read the post, do I really mean it?
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Flounder Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:06:00am |
re: #13 Cannadian Club Akbar
Deeps thoughts....
I gotta go tho, driving h-pile all week, ugh.
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:22:04am |
re: #13 Cannadian Club Akbar
No.
Morning all!
Here's pt. 2 of the LA Times story:
In this assault case, the puzzle pieces don't fit
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:27:25am |
re: #15 RogueOne
Cool, i was just thinking about that. Thanks for posting--off to read it. Oh and good morning to you!
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:35:28am |
re: #16 iceweasel
Just finished. I sent this story to my brother the other day. I think this woman and my brothers ex could be related.//
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:36:43am |
re: #18 RogueOne
Just finished. I sent this story to my brother the other day. I think this woman and my brothers ex could be related.//
She reminds you of your brother's ex? Was there an ugly custody battle?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:42:01am |
re: #15 RogueOne
So, the prosecutor wouldn't declare the guy innocent because he "could have done it" but didn't have the evidence to support the charges. And then says he can't file charges against the woman because he can't prove she was lying. What a fucking douche. And another thing, I don't generally like when people commit suicide, but I fucking wish she would have pulled it off. Well, I'm awake. And the part where Gonzalez makes it a point to make sure cameras see his face when he goes to a store, not a bad one at all.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:43:14am |
re: #20 Cannadian Club Akbar
So, the prosecutor wouldn't declare the guy innocent because he "could have done it" but didn't have the evidence to support the charges. And then says he can't file charges against the woman because he can't prove she was lying. What a fucking douche. And another thing, I don't generally like when people commit suicide, but I fucking wish she would have pulled it off. Well, I'm awake. And the part where Gonzalez makes it a point to make sure cameras see his face when he goes to a store, not a bad one at all.
I can't believe she's not charged with anything. How awful.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:43:18am |
And props to the detective. Doing the right thing over doing the popular thing isn't always easy.
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:43:24am |
re: #19 iceweasel
Yeah, that lasted years and was fought in 3 different states. She lost in IN so she took off with the kids to IL. She managed to stay hid for over a year so the judge in IL decided to go ahead and retry the whole episode. Another year later she lost and took off with the kids to MI, another year, another judge, and another trial, with the same outcome.
She accused him of rape in IL and MI. IL actually arrested him for it even though the cops on the scene told her they didn't believe her. Once she caught him at a gas station and called the cops saying he had beat her. Luckily there was a video camera on the side of the store that showed her beating her head into the ice machine.
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:44:00am |
re: #22 Cannadian Club Akbar
And props to the detective. Doing the right thing over doing the popular thing isn't always easy.
Yeah, nice to see the detective had some sense about him.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:44:27am |
re: #23 RogueOne
Luckily there was a video camera on the side of the store that showed her beating her head into the ice machine.
Sweet Buddha on a ricecake, the world is fucked up.
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researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:44:30am |
re: #15 RogueOne
No.
Morning all!
Here's pt. 2 of the LA Times story:
In this assault case, the puzzle pieces don't fit
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
Unbelievable story.
I can't believe she's still walking free.
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researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:45:22am |
re: #21 iceweasel
I can't believe she's not charged with anything. How awful.
That woman needs some serious help.
For real.
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researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:47:16am |
re: #25 iceweasel
Sweet Buddha on a ricecake, the world is fucked up.
Women like that devalue rape claims by real victims.
That is a huge problem.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:47:26am |
re: #26 researchok
Unbelievable story.
I can't believe she's still walking free.
I don't know if people here believe in Karma or whatever, but I think life tends to balance itself out. A day will come where she is asking herself, "Why are bad things happening to me" and she'll have her own answer.
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:48:15am |
re: #26 researchok
Unbelievable story.
I can't believe she's still walking free.
She has documented mental issues, no surprise to anyone. She finally moved to NC a couple years ago.
One of my biggest beefs was with the judges. Once the state of IN said he had complete custody that should have been the end of the story. Instead they'd buy her accusations and try to help her get custody of the kids back.
She also had a habit of dating local cops and siccing them on my brother. In both IN and IL he got pulled over and told there was an accusation that he was dealing cocaine. The completely ripped his car apart twice on the side of the road.
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researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:48:34am |
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:50:51am |
re: #29 Cannadian Club Akbar
In IN she walked into a bar my brother was in with some friends. She walks up to him, grabs a glass and smashes it on the bar and cuts him across his arm and chest in front of everyone. He reaches out and slugs her and she runs. Guess which one spent the night in jail and had to go through to trial for assault?
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researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:50:52am |
re: #30 RogueOne
She has documented mental issues, no surprise to anyone. She finally moved to NC a couple years ago.
One of my biggest beefs was with the judges. Once the state of IN said he had complete custody that should have been the end of the story. Instead they'd buy her accusations and try to help her get custody of the kids back.
She also had a habit of dating local cops and siccing them on my brother. In both IN and IL he got pulled over and told there was an accusation that he was dealing cocaine. The completely ripped his car apart twice on the side of the road.
Manipulative. Really bad pathology
You know, there are some things you cannot fix.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:53:17am |
re: #32 RogueOne
In IN she walked into a bar my brother was in with some friends. She walks up to him, grabs a glass and smashes it on the bar and cuts him across his arm and chest in front of everyone. He reaches out and slugs her and she runs. Guess which one spent the night in jail and had to go through to trial for assault?
THIS is the kind of jury I need to be on.
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:53:23am |
re: #32 RogueOne
The bar quickly switched to non-glass containers and named the new rule after my brother.
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:54:42am |
re: #34 Cannadian Club Akbar
THIS is the kind of jury I need to be on.
They wanted him to take a plea with probation and he refused. She was offered a deal that involved no trial and if she stayed out of trouble for a year the arrest would be expunged. The trial was a lot of fun, she completely flipped out on the stand.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:54:45am |
re: #35 RogueOne
The bar quickly switched to non-glass containers and named the new rule after my brother.
As a kinda joke? Not trying to be malicious, I'm sure.
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:55:41am |
re: #37 Cannadian Club Akbar
As a kinda joke? Not trying to be malicious, I'm sure.
Small local bar and he was a regular. He bouncer of the bar was a very large woman who happens to be the sister of a friend of mine.
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:56:08am |
re: #38 RogueOne
Small local bar and he was a regular. THe bouncer of the bar.....
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 3:58:30am |
A friend of mine did anger management classes and in a group meeting they showed a security video where a woman was finishing a draft beer and the guy punched the glass, splitting her from the corners of her mouth on back. That is fucked up.
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:00:58am |
re: #40 Cannadian Club Akbar
Makes me wince just thinking about it.
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:03:57am |
Never date crazy. And if you can't help yourself don't ever tell them your real name and address. My brother dates one crazy one after another. He's been stabbed in his sleep, arrested multiple times, spent tens of thousands on attorneys, and still hasn't stopped bringing home women he meets at bars.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:11:50am |
re: #42 RogueOne
Never date crazy. And if you can't help yourself don't ever tell them your real name and address. My brother dates one crazy one after another. He's been stabbed in his sleep, arrested multiple times, spent tens of thousands on attorneys, and still hasn't stopped bringing home women he meets at bars.
The bar I used to go to was basically inexpensive (a dive for sure) and I knew the bartenders, so I always got a good pour. But there is no way in hell I would take a girl home from there.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:16:02am |
re: #42 RogueOne
Never date crazy. And if you can't help yourself don't ever tell them your real name and address. My brother dates one crazy one after another. He's been stabbed in his sleep, arrested multiple times, spent tens of thousands on attorneys, and still hasn't stopped bringing home women he meets at bars.
Wow.
I think some people get addicted to the adrenaline rush when they date crazy. Just like some women get addicted to dating cheating men.
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:16:33am |
re: #43 Cannadian Club Akbar
I have a close female friend who had a kid at 16. She took a job as a bartender on weekends to giver her an opportunity to earn some extra cash and have some fun on the weekends. Up until her child graduated HS she dated exactly one guy for one year. All her free time was wrapped around doing stuff with her son. I wish my brother had taken a few lessons from her.
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researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:16:52am |
re: #44 iceweasel
Wow.
I think some people get addicted to the adrenaline rush when they date crazy. Just like some women get addicted to dating cheating men.
Or, the whole 'bad boy' thing.
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researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:18:20am |
re: #45 RogueOne
I have a close female friend who had a kid at 16. She took a job as a bartender on weekends to giver her an opportunity to earn some extra cash and have some fun on the weekends. Up until her child graduated HS she dated exactly one guy for one year. All her free time was wrapped around doing stuff with her son. I wish my brother had taken a few lessons from her.
There is a clinical term for people like that.
"Responsible Adult"
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:18:23am |
re: #46 researchok
Or, the whole 'bad boy' thing.
Don't knock it, it works. After getting busted a few times in college I found it was easier to just tell the truth rather than lie. I could tell women "If you date me I'm going to hurt your feelings eventually" and instead of it being a deal-breaker it worked like candy.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:18:56am |
re: #44 iceweasel
Wow.
I think some people get addicted to the adrenaline rush when they date crazy. Just like some women get addicted to dating cheating men.
Makes one wonder if they pick relationships that they know will fail.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:19:25am |
re: #46 researchok
Or, the whole 'bad boy' thing.
Yeah, exactly. They get addicted to the drama and the fantasy of rescuing or changing him. It's all a load of crap.
I think anyone can make a mistake, but when there's a pattern of making them it's time to look at how you're contributing to the problem. We choose the people we're with for a reason, after all.
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:20:44am |
re: #47 researchok
There is a clinical term for people like that.
"Responsible Adult"
yep. She definitely had the right priorities.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:21:08am |
re: #49 Cannadian Club Akbar
Makes one wonder if they pick relationships that they know will fail.
I think some people do. I have a friend like that; she picks the worst people to be around and I think subconsciously she wants the drama and the fallout.
I've talked to her about it but it makes no difference.
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researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:21:36am |
re: #48 RogueOne
Don't knock it, it works. After getting busted a few times in college I found it was easier to just tell the truth rather than lie. I could tell women "If you date me I'm going to hurt your feelings eventually" and instead of it being a deal-breaker it worked like candy.
There is a reason for that.
A lot of women want a project- that is to 'fix' someone. That is often how it is described.
In fact, the response is biological. It has to do with parenting urges- that is to take care of and nurture another. Many, many young women will jump at the opportunity.
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:22:25am |
re: #53 researchok
There is a reason for that.
A lot of women want a project- that is to 'fix' someone. That is often how it is described.
In fact, the response is biological. It has to do with parenting urges- that is to take care of and nurture another. Many, many young women will jump at the opportunity.
god bless them and their biological urges!
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:22:41am |
re: #53 researchok
There is a reason for that.
A lot of women want a project- that is to 'fix' someone. That is often how it is described.
In fact, the response is biological. It has to do with parenting urges- that is to take care of and nurture another. Many, many young women will jump at the opportunity.
Don't underestimate the lure of the challenge as Rogue presents it. "I'll be the woman who can make it work! Me me me!"
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:22:48am |
re: #48 RogueOne
Don't knock it, it works. After getting busted a few times in college I found it was easier to just tell the truth rather than lie. I could tell women "If you date me I'm going to hurt your feelings eventually" and instead of it being a deal-breaker it worked like candy.
I see no reason to lie. And I love it when arguing with a friend or family member and they bring up the past. I just say "Ya. OK. So what does that have to do with anything"? That and I've realized that regardless if I get accused of doing something I didn't do, I just say, "Yea, it's my fault". Just saves energy.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:25:48am |
Off to get some work done. Have a great day, folks!
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researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:25:51am |
re: #55 iceweasel
Don't underestimate the lure of the challenge as Rogue presents it. "I'll be the woman who can make it work! Me me me!"
Yes. For women like that, success is measured in how much change they can bring about, rather than how successful the relationship is.
Their entire self worth is determined by the 'project' as opposed to finding their own happiness or fulfillment.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:25:54am |
re: #53 researchok
There is a reason for that.
A lot of women want a project- that is to 'fix' someone. That is often how it is described.
In fact, the response is biological. It has to do with parenting urges- that is to take care of and nurture another. Many, many young women will jump at the opportunity.
Bleh. Better those types than me.
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researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:26:33am |
re: #59 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Bleh. Better those types than me.
No argument here.
It is an imbalance.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:30:08am |
I wonder if someone threw a "singles mixer" just for people who think they're nutballs or who have been told they are nutballs, would it sell out?
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:32:17am |
re: #56 Cannadian Club Akbar
Lying took too much work. Using a different first name, screening calls, making excuses for why I wouldn't be home, etc... and with the advent of cell phones it's almost impossible to get away with dating 3 or 4 different people without them eventually finding out. Being honest is much easier, especially if you only promise 2 things. 1. you'll have fun 2. I'm probably going to sleep with your roommate.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:33:39am |
re: #62 RogueOne
3. I'm gonna get the girl and the roommate drunk and try to bag both.
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:34:43am |
re: #63 Cannadian Club Akbar
3. I'm gonna get the girl and the roommate drunk and try to bag both.
Everyone loves a challenge!
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researchok Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:35:27am |
re: #61 Cannadian Club Akbar
I wonder if someone threw a "singles mixer" just for people who think they're nutballs or who have been told they are nutballs, would it sell out?
For an event like that, Yankee Stadium would sell out.
Everyone wants to believe they are iconoclasts- especially the nut jobs. You have to be really secure to say, 'For the most part, I'm pretty average'.
It's the real self effacing hero who says, 'What's the big deal. Anyone would have run into that burning building'.
They really, really mean it.
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:38:54am |
re: #65 researchok
I think most people are really insecure. They make themselves targets.
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lostlakehiker Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:40:53am |
re: #13 Cannadian Club Akbar
Morning Honcos. Even thought no one is here. I wonder, if I say morning honcos and there is no one here to read the post, do I really mean it?
Of course you mean it. But it will be afternoon when your audience sees it so maybe you'd be better off saying good afternoon.
:-)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:43:09am |
re: #66 RogueOne
I think most people are really insecure. They make themselves targets.
Have you ever seen the movie "In the Company of Men"? Really cruel. Working on people's insecurities.
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:43:19am |
Someone ask Nvy how much easier it was to pick up women at the O-Club as a young officer with wings on his uniform.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:43:35am |
re: #42 RogueOne
Never date crazy. And if you can't help yourself don't ever tell them your real name and address. My brother dates one crazy one after another. He's been stabbed in his sleep, arrested multiple times, spent tens of thousands on attorneys, and still hasn't stopped bringing home women he meets at bars.
Despite 21 years in the Navy I feel I've led a very sheltered life...
Also, Good Morning Honcos!
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:43:38am |
re: #68 Cannadian Club Akbar
Have you ever seen the movie "In the Company of Men"? Really cruel. Working on people's insecurities.
No, but I'll check it out.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:44:06am |
re: #67 lostlakehiker
Of course you mean it. But it will be afternoon when your audience sees it so maybe you'd be better off saying good afternoon.
:-)
I have an audience? I should throw on pants!!
//
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:44:37am |
re: #70 rwdflynavy
Despite 21 years in the Navy I feel I've led a very sheltered life...
Also, Good Morning Honcos!
You've been married a long time. I think if you're in the military you get to multiply by 7, like dog years. How old were you when you tied the knot?
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:44:44am |
re: #69 RogueOne
Someone ask Nvy how much easier it was to pick up women at the O-Club as a young officer with wings on his uniform.
I was married by the time I had my wings, so not so much on the picking up women, for some reason, my wife takes a dim view of that kind of behavior!
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:45:10am |
re: #73 RogueOne
You've been married a long time. I think if you're in the military you get to multiply by 7, like dog years. How old were you when you tied the knot?
22
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:45:24am |
re: #74 rwdflynavy
I was married by the time I had my wings, so not so much on the picking up women, for some reason, my wife takes a dim view of that kind of behavior!
Stoopid vows!!
/
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:45:54am |
re: #74 rwdflynavy
I was married by the time I had my wings, so not so much on the picking up women, for some reason, my wife takes a dim view of that kind of behavior!
She doesn't sound like a team player///. My wife knew my history and my views on monogamy before we got married. It took a long time to find the right one but I got her.
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:47:20am |
re: #75 rwdflynavy
22
That's both commendable and sort of amazing, especially for a military marriage in this day and age.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:48:14am |
re: #78 RogueOne
That's both commendable and sort of amazing, especially for a military marriage in this day and age.
Thank you sir! I am very proud of her.
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:48:51am |
re: #75 rwdflynavy
Your wrecking the curve. I'm fairly certain the divorce rate for the military is roughly 132%.
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lostlakehiker Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:49:49am |
re: #65 researchok
For an event like that, Yankee Stadium would sell out.
Everyone wants to believe they are iconoclasts- especially the nut jobs. You have to be really secure to say, 'For the most part, I'm pretty average'.
It's the real self effacing hero who says, 'What's the big deal. Anyone would have run into that burning building'.
They really, really mean it.
Sometimes, they're right. Consider how often there's a bolt-from-the-blue emergency and the first person on the spot rises to the occasion.
When there's no one else to do it instead, when the emergency is clear and present, and when somebody asks for help [help, help fire], it's not actually all that rare [statistics will vary by city and nation] that Jane or John Doe does whatever it takes.
While there are a number of out and out, across-the-board cowards and/or shirkers, an astonishing number of seemingly ordinary people have a heroic core. With luck, they'll never need it. In many other situations, they man up but it goes unrecognized. The cases that make headlines give us a false impression that heroism is very rare.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:52:10am |
The woman's World Cup starts today and the US is taking on North Korea. I'll call 7-0.
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:53:01am |
re: #83 Cannadian Club Akbar
The woman's World Cup starts today and the US is taking on North Korea. I'll call 7-0.
7 defections?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:55:54am |
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:59:34am |
re: #85 Cannadian Club Akbar
N. Korea is one of my pet peeves and exhibit #1 why "realist" foreign policy is an immoral sham.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:02:49am |
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:03:40am |
This story has been going on for years. Looks like it's finally over:
Five Hoboken cops settle discrimination lawsuit for $2 million, source says
[Link: www.nj.com...]
The City of Hoboken has agreed to pay five Hispanic officers $2 million to settle a discrimination lawsuit brought by the officers in October 2007, according to sources.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:04:28am |
All this talk about guy who get beat up by girls they pick up at bars is fascinating to me. Kind of like an anthropological study of tribal cultures, or species that hold mating dominance ritual fights.
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:05:25am |
Morning Joe is having a good time with the bachmann "john wayne gacy" screw up. I laughed for 5 minutes when I read that story.
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:06:31am |
re: #90 Alouette
All this talk about guy who get beat up by girls they pick up at bars is fascinating to me. Kind of like an anthropological study of tribal cultures, or species that hold mating dominance ritual fights.
Sometimes getting stabbed is a turn on for some guys. To each their own I guess.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:08:36am |
re: #92 RogueOne
Sometimes getting stabbed is a turn on for some guys. To each their own I guess.
Stabbing: When hot wax on the nipples just doesn't do it for you anymore.
/
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:10:24am |
I watched a cheesy detective movie last night. It was totally filmed in Canada but you're supposed to think that it's really Detroit because in one scene they are wearing Red Wings shirts.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:12:55am |
re: #94 Alouette
I like when a movie scene is supposed to be in Florida and they show a car pull up and there is a tag on the front. We don't do that.
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:15:39am |
re: #95 Cannadian Club Akbar
Neither does IN. When I had to get my car registered in NE I didn't have a plate holder on the front so I tossed the 2nd plate in my trunk. When I got pulled over I told the cop I was from IN and we didn't have 2 plates so I thought it was a spare. No ticket!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:17:18am |
re: #96 RogueOne
Neither does IN. When I had to get my car registered in NE I didn't have a plate holder on the front so I tossed the 2nd plate in my trunk. When I got pulled over I told the cop I was from IN and we didn't have 2 plates so I thought it was a spare. No ticket!
If I didn't know you, after reading that I would think you are a blond with big tits. Heh.
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:19:06am |
re: #97 Cannadian Club Akbar
I can play stupid with the best of them
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:20:37am |
A twist on the twinkie defense wins again:
Toronto cop threatened handcuffed man with Taser because of diabetes: judge
[Link: www.globaltoronto.com...]
TORONTO - A Toronto police officer who threatened to shock a handcuffed suspect's genitals with a Taser acted in part because of a medical condition and will not receive jail time, an Ontario judge ruled Monday.
...
Video shot from the back seat of a police cruiser and entered as court evidence shows the officer holding a Taser to a man's crotch and threatening to shock him during an incident in west Toronto on May 24, 2010.The 38-year-old officer is a Type 1 diabetic who, in pleading guilty to one count of threatening bodily harm in February 2011, said he was suffering from low bloodsugar at the time of the incident partly because he didn't eat lunch that day.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:24:43am |
"Never take a pretty girl home from the bar. When you wake up in the morning she might already be gone"
"An ugly girl might be gone also"
"Yeah, but who cares!!"
//
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darthstar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:25:53am |
re: #98 RogueOne
I can play stupid with the best of them
You're too dumb to play stupid...it's gotta be the tits.
/
And good morning.
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:26:04am |
This story is sort of related to the earlier discussion:
Long-missing North Carolina man David Ellis Bostic's remains found buried under wife's garden
[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]
Everyone thought David Ellis Bostic had disappeared 14 years ago, but the truth was he was pushing up daisies the whole time.After Ruth Huber Bostic died last year, police discovered her husband's remains under the garden she lovingly tended outside their ramshackle North Carolina home for years.
No one knows exactly what happened and with her death at 78, she may have taken the answer to her grave.
"It's a mystery. Things happen no one ever expects," said David Bostic's nephew Carl Willis, 59, who last spoke to his uncle in 1994.
Authorities say Ruth had been estranged from her family and appeared to have suffered from mental illness.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:26:48am |
re: #96 RogueOne
Neither does IN. When I had to get my car registered in NE I didn't have a plate holder on the front so I tossed the 2nd plate in my trunk. When I got pulled over I told the cop I was from IN and we didn't have 2 plates so I thought it was a spare. No ticket!
Got out of a ticket once
Cop was sitting at the end of a one way street which I was going the wrong way on
Cop asked
"didn't you see the signs? Didn't you see the arrows?"
I said
"Arrows? I didn't even see the Indians"
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:27:14am |
re: #100 sattv4u2
"Never take a pretty girl home from the bar. When you wake up in the morning she might already be gone"
"An ugly girl might be gone also"
"Yeah, but who cares!!"
//
Worse yet. You wake up in the morning and see a strange woman in your bed. You tell yourself you'll never drink again. But then she rolls over and she's beautiful. She opens her eyes, looks at you and says, "My God, I'm never gonna drink again"!
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:28:40am |
And on that note, campus visit to Georgia Tech beckons
bbl
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darthstar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:33:44am |
re: #103 sattv4u2
I got out of a ticket once because the cop was a patient of my dad's. He asked if I'd been drinking, and I divided by two and told him I'd had three drinks over two hours(I was 20 and not even supposed to be in the bars yet). He said "Alcohol's still entering your system. You should go home. I don't want to see your car on the road again tonight." And he followed me to the freeway entrance to make sure I really was headed out of town (we lived 15 miles east of Redding at the time).
I don't suspect they do that any more...don't aim to find out, either.
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:34:12am |
re: #104 Cannadian Club Akbar
One morning I woke up in a hotel to a girl jumping out of bed yelling "Oh My God!" and taking off. It happened so fast I didn't see who she was or what the problem seemed to be. I pull back my covers and see that I'm still wearing my clothes so I knew we hadn't had sex so that wasn't the problem. I then realize my pants are soaking wet. I thought I had gotten trashed and wet the bed. I figure "no wonder she screamed". As I'm gingerly taking off my pants I notice there's no smell, it turned out to be water. Big relief. I found out later that day that I had gotten soaked trying to pull a sprinkler out of the ground. I was drunk and tripped over it and while trying to pull it out of the ground the system went off.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:36:59am |
re: #104 Cannadian Club Akbar
Met a red-headed gal in Montana once...when we woke up in her hotel room the next morning I exclaimed, "Holy shit! You're still beautiful!" That was a good morning.
| 109 |
RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:37:42am |
re: #106 darthstar
Back in the old days if you were underage around here the cops would confiscate your beer and make the sober kid drive everyone home. Now everyone gets arrested.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:38:32am |
re: #107 RogueOne
See? Now there's a story with a message to tell your kids about responsible dating. Keep your pants on.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:42:36am |
re: #109 RogueOne
Had that happen in college...only they took our dope. We counted ourselves lucky as I was holding some heavier contraband that would have gotten us thrown in jail for sure, and took our marijuana possession tickets with a smile. My friend, Todd failed the drunk test, but as I'd been sleeping for a few hours in the back seat when he passed the cop and got us pulled over (we were all fucked up), I had enough of my wits about me to walk the line and get my car keys back from the cops. Neither of my two buddies drove another minute of that trip...they drank, I drove (and drank, yes...it was spring break).
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:42:41am |
Louisiana Supreme Court Allows Vehicle Searches on a Hunch
[Link: www.thenewspaper.com...]
The Louisiana Supreme Court on Friday gave a green light to police officers looking to search automobiles without a warrant. The court ruled on an interim appeal in the ongoing trial of Derrick R. Kirton, 30, and Crystal N. Strate, 27, who were charged on February 23 with distribution and possession of heroin, respectively. A judge in the Orleans Parish Criminal District Court had ruled that the police search of Kirton's vehicle was unlawful because it was not based on probable cause. The prosecution appealed.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:44:23am |
Okay, boys...time to close this browser session...I've got some important shit to do for work today which is why I'm up an hour ealier than normal.
Play nice and be good model citizens.
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:45:48am |
re: #111 darthstar
The two counties around me used to be nothing but farm land and small towns. The cops were jerks but if they caught you with something they'd take it from you and call your parents. It could have been a lot worse. Hamilton Co. IN has been on the fastest growing counties in the US list for the last decade. Now they take everything a little too seriously. Kids are going to do stupid shit, that's what being young is for!
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RogueOne Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:46:46am |
Rush hour is just about over. It's safe for me to get on the road, Enjoy the day people!
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Ericus58 Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:48:20am |
re: #108 darthstar
Met a red-headed gal in Montana once...when we woke up in her hotel room the next morning I exclaimed, "Holy shit! You're still beautiful!" That was a good morning.
I awoke one morning - gentle breeze blowing through an open window nest to the bed, sound of birds in the air.
Laying next to me on my left was this cute puppy, head laying on my stomach.
I turned to my right.... and focused on a gal. I looked back at the puppy, and quickly realized the dog looked better than the gal.
And that's when I began to gnaw at my arm...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:56:38am |
Wow. Read the comments from this story.
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:04:33am |
re: #117 Cannadian Club Akbar
Wow. Read the comments from this story.
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
Comments at Haaretz make the commenters at HuffPost look like wingnuts.
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lostlakehiker Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:22:32am |
re: #112 RogueOne
Louisiana Supreme Court Allows Vehicle Searches on a Hunch
[Link: www.thenewspaper.com...]
Hunches can be "probable cause". Hunches are the condensation of long experience and of observations that have been processed by the subconscious. If the officer in question turns out to have been correct, and if he/she doesn't have a long track record of wrong hunches mixed in with a few hits, then his/her hunches aren't fishing expeditions, they're probable cause.
What, after all, does "probable" mean? It means that in the event, more often than not, what is called "probable" pans out.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:31:03am |
re: #118 Alouette
Comments at Haaretz make the commenters at HuffPost look like wingnuts.
I think the leftties are wound up about this story which has been making the rounds on lefty blogs
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:32:29am |
The Mothership is here. Grab your stuff and pack a cooler.
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Semper Fi Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:32:46am |
Here, to me, is an example of a hunch:
The scene is Main St. between 1st and 2nd.
Cop car going north.
Low rider with 4 guys going south.
They pass each other.
4 guys all turn their head, at once, to see if cop car is pulling a U.
Cops see four heads turn as one.
There you have it. "HUNCH"
Movies like that always make me smile.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:47:01am |
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darthstar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:50:08am |
re: #120 Killgore Trout
I think the leftties are wound up about this story which has been making the rounds on lefty blogs
Flotillas have to compete with Casey Anthony for attention now. Good luck with that.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:51:50am |
re: #123 Killgore Trout
Flake!
Bachmann Flubs History Again, Insists John Quincy Adams Was A Founding Father[Video]
Steve Benen writes, “I hate to be a stickler for reality, but when the Declaration of Independence was signed, John Quincy Adams was a nine-year-old boy.”
Nine year old FOUNDING FATHER!
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darthstar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:56:09am |
re: #123 Killgore Trout
Am I the only person who immediate goes to the bottom of a wikipedia page after Palin or Bachmann speaks to see when it was last edited? John Quincy Adams is still safe from revision so far:
This page was last modified on 25 June 2011 at 22:25.
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:01:15am |
re: #126 darthstar
Am I the only person who immediate goes to the bottom of a wikipedia page after Palin or Bachmann speaks to see when it was last edited? John Quincy Adams is still safe from revision so far:
This page was last modified on 25 June 2011 at 22:25.
Give them a bit of time - they'll make JQA the father of JA and then JQA will become his own grandfather. The wonders of wiki-time-travel.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:03:43am |
re: #125 darthstar
Steve Benen writes, “I hate to be a stickler for reality, but when the Declaration of Independence was signed, John Quincy Adams was a nine-year-old boy.”
Nine year old FOUNDING FATHER!
I'm starting to feel a little bad for her. She has no idea her talking points are fake. She's just not self aware and has no understanding why people find her statements more than a little nutty.
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iossarian Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:04:09am |
re: #125 darthstar
Steve Benen writes, “I hate to be a stickler for reality, but when the Declaration of Independence was signed, John Quincy Adams was a nine-year-old boy.”
Nine year old FOUNDING FATHER!
Those inner-city kids. So irresponsible.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:05:15am |
One of Freedom Flotilla II passenger boats sabotaged in Greek port
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:05:26am |
re: #127 oaktree
Give them a bit of time - they'll make JQA the father of JA and then JQA will become his own grandfather. The wonders of wiki-time-travel.
I'm My Own Grandpa
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iossarian Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:07:10am |
re: #128 Killgore Trout
I'm starting to feel a little bad for her. She has no idea her talking points are fake. She's just not self aware and has no understanding why people find her statements more than a little nutty.
I'm beginning to wonder if she actually has an empathetic response to other people - whether she's capable of imagining that other people exist and have consciousness in the same way she does.
I don't think it's all that far-fetched a suggestion. It would explain a) the "throw everything at the wall" statements and b) the lunatic right-wing viewpoint.
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Gus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:08:16am |
re: #128 Killgore Trout
I'm starting to feel a little bad for her. She has no idea her talking points are fake. She's just not self aware and has no understanding why people find her statements more than a little nutty.
I don't know. Speaking for myself I don't see the point in spending the whole day doing the Snoopy Dance for the latest Bachmann flub. She obviously had JQA confused with her father. And speaking of flakes, if we look back at most all presidential election we will find many flakes that have attempted to win their party's primary from both sides of the aisle. And that being said about all of this one thing is for certain and that it is that is still not a 100 percent certainty that Obama will be reelected.
| 134 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:09:45am |
Michele Bachmann Accepts Chris Wallace's Apology
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:13:14am |
re: #132 iossarian
I'm beginning to wonder if she actually has an empathetic response to other people - whether she's capable of imagining that other people exist and have consciousness in the same way she does.
I don't think it's all that far-fetched a suggestion. It would explain a) the "throw everything at the wall" statements and b) the lunatic right-wing viewpoint.
I think she's just insulated from the real world. She gets her news from Cato or Heritage talking points and probably surrounds herself with other libertarian nuts. She doesn't understand that not everybody lives in her world.
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laZardo Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:14:22am |
Someone/something damaged the fiber-optic lines delivering broadband to my part of town earlier this afternoon and they've only got it fixed-fixed now.
How's things?
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:14:31am |
Here's a well-done ad developing a fairly commonplace anti-TP meme. It's been pushed by Crooks and Liars. Recommend you skip the putrid Youtube comments section.
(It's under a minute.)
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iossarian Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:17:13am |
This whole "the Founding Fathers fought against slavery" thing is an interesting development. I guess it's an attempt to allow Republicans, especially in the South, to pretend that slavery was actually an aberration from the One True Path of Right Wing Serious People, rather than a built-in feature of that system that was only eliminated through progressivism (and also through the economic self-interest of some right-wing Northerners, no doubt).
Hence the lies and the obfuscation.
| 139 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:17:26am |
re: #133 Gus 802
I don't know. Speaking for myself I don't see the point in spending the whole day doing the Snoopy Dance for the latest Bachmann flub. She obviously had JQA confused with her father. And speaking of flakes, if we look back at most all presidential election we will find many flakes that have attempted to win their party's primary from both sides of the aisle. And that being said about all of this one thing is for certain and that it is that is still not a 100 percent certainty that Obama will be reelected.
I agree the flubs and gaffes are fun for the giggle factor but aren't serious. It's Bachmann's response that makes them a little more newsworthy. If she just said she mispoke or was misinformed the issue would go away but she sticks to them no matter how false they are. Journalists are just scratching the surface on these statements, there are thousands of them. Her world view and policies are based on some very serious falsehoods and conspiracy theories and she has no ability to acknowledge the truth when confronted.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:18:50am |
re: #138 iossarian
This whole "the Founding Fathers fought against slavery" thing is an interesting development. I guess it's an attempt to allow Republicans, especially in the South, to pretend that slavery was actually an aberration from the One True Path of Right Wing Serious People, rather than a built-in feature of that system that was only eliminated through progressivism (and also through the economic self-interest of some right-wing Northerners, no doubt).
Hence the lies and the obfuscation.
Yup, it's part of a conscious effort to revise history.
| 141 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:19:00am |
re: #137 Decatur Deb
The responses to some of the racist comments are pretty funny. As is the one that said "Ron Paul 2012-Somalia".
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:19:58am |
re: #139 Killgore Trout
I agree the flubs and gaffes are fun for the giggle factor but aren't serious. It's Bachmann's response that makes them a little more newsworthy. If she just said she mispoke or was misinformed the issue would go away but she sticks to them no matter how false they are. Journalists are just scratching the surface on these statements, there are thousands of them. Her world view and policies are based on some very serious falsehoods and conspiracy theories and she has no ability to acknowledge the truth when confronted.
She seems to view admission of making an error a sign of weakness.
The constant flubs also seem to indicate a weakness in making proper preparation for a statement or comments. If you're not sure whether JA or JQA was the Founding Father - keep your mouth shut.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:19:59am |
re: #139 Killgore Trout
I agree the flubs and gaffes are fun for the giggle factor but aren't serious. It's Bachmann's response that makes them a little more newsworthy. If she just said she mispoke or was misinformed the issue would go away but she sticks to them no matter how false they are. Journalists are just scratching the surface on these statements, there are thousands of them. Her world view and policies are based on some very serious falsehoods and conspiracy theories and she has no ability to acknowledge the truth when confronted.
And that bolded statement is the serious part
| 144 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:20:35am |
Comment sections of news stories has reduced my need to look at cat videos on YouTube.:)
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:21:26am |
re: #131 reine.de.tout
I'm My Own Grandpa
[Video]
Or _The Man Who Folded Himself_ where the protagonist is more than that...
(When in doubt about old social behaviors or possibilities there is a decent chance Robert Heinlein took a look at it.)
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:21:36am |
re: #139 Killgore Trout
I agree the flubs and gaffes are fun for the giggle factor but aren't serious. It's Bachmann's response that makes them a little more newsworthy. If she just said she mispoke or was misinformed the issue would go away but she sticks to them no matter how false they are. Journalists are just scratching the surface on these statements, there are thousands of them. Her world view and policies are based on some very serious falsehoods and conspiracy theories and she has no ability to acknowledge the truth when confronted.
If I flub a couple middle-school facts on the Founding Fathers it's not a big deal, because I don't pretend to build my political world around "Constitutional Conservatism". If clowns want to wrap themselves in the immutable virtue of the Revolution, they have an obligation to get the details right.
| 147 |
Gus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:22:14am |
re: #139 Killgore Trout
I agree the flubs and gaffes are fun for the giggle factor but aren't serious. It's Bachmann's response that makes them a little more newsworthy. If she just said she mispoke or was misinformed the issue would go away but she sticks to them no matter how false they are. Journalists are just scratching the surface on these statements, there are thousands of them. Her world view and policies are based on some very serious falsehoods and conspiracy theories and she has no ability to acknowledge the truth when confronted.
She's a bonehead that's for sure. I'm wondering why a) people still see her as a viable candidate and b) why the RNC (if they are doing so) is throwing away money for any support they may give to her. Then again we saw the same wasting of money in their support of Sharron Angle and Christine O'Donnell. When the Dems saw "their man" they focused those money and energy on that particular candidate -- in that case it was Obama. Sure, it's early in the 2012 season but time goes by quickly. Yet money wasted is hard to recoup. Right now I think the Republicans are wasting a lot of money, time and energy supporting fringe candidates like Bachmann.
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Gus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:25:53am |
Related I suppose...
In U.S., Very Religious Americans Still Align More With GOP
Nonreligious Americans are much more likely to identify as Democrats
by Frank Newport
PRINCETON, NJ -- Very religious Americans remain significantly more likely than those less religious to identify as Republicans or lean Republican, and nonreligious Americans are more likely to identify as Democrats or lean Democratic. This strong relationship between religion and party identification has persisted over the past three years and four months, regardless of overall, broad partisan changes...
and another graph.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:26:05am |
re: #133 Gus 802
I don't know. Speaking for myself I don't see the point in spending the whole day doing the Snoopy Dance for the latest Bachmann flub. She obviously had JQA confused with her father.
Michele Bachmann's father was John Wayne Gacy Adams? This is all getting too confusing...can we please just have Sarah Palin back in the limelight?
| 150 |
Gus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:27:19am |
re: #149 darthstar
Michele Bachmann's father was John Wayne Gacy Adams? This is all getting too confusing...can we please just have Sarah Palin back in the limelight?
Make that, "She obviously had JQA confused with her HIS father..." See, that's how easy it is to make a mistake. Clearly I'm another idiot. ;)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:29:08am |
How to NOT pick up a hitchhiker.
[Link: www.chron.com...]
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iossarian Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:29:36am |
re: #148 Gus 802
Related I suppose...
In U.S., Very Religious Americans Still Align More With GOP
Nonreligious Americans are much more likely to identify as Democrats
by Frank Newportand another graph.
Least. Surprising. Poll. Ever.
But thanks for posting it! :)
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:30:07am |
re: #137 Decatur Deb
Here's a well-done ad developing a fairly commonplace anti-TP meme. It's been pushed by Crooks and Liars. Recommend you skip the putrid Youtube comments section.
(It's under a minute.)[Video]
I pursued this same theme last fall:
A Libertarian Guide to Getting a Head in Business.
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dragonfire1981 Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:31:26am |
re: #146 Decatur Deb
If I flub a couple middle-school facts on the Founding Fathers it's not a big deal, because I don't pretend to build my political world around "Constitutional Conservatism". If clowns want to wrap themselves in the immutable virtue of the Revolution, they have an obligation to get the details right.
Not when she is pandering to the base (which is a requirement to win the primary). The base doesn't care about facts, they are more interested in repeated right wing "truths". Remember these people believe that all media outside Fox News is practically state run and pushing lies all the time.
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Gus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:31:37am |
re: #152 iossarian
Least. Surprising. Poll. Ever.
But thanks for posting it! :)
The latest Gus Poll™ shows very low atheist support for Republican candidates.
//
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:32:34am |
re: #153 Shiplord Kirel
I pursued this same theme last fall:
A Libertarian Guide to Getting a Head in Business.
You should get a consulting gig with the Somali Chamber of Commerce.
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Gus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:35:03am |
re: #157 Decatur Deb
You should get a consulting gig with the Somali Chamber of Commerce.
Think of the opportunities!
Nestle Your Vessel at the Somali Yacht Club
/
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:36:08am |
re: #158 reloadingisnotahobby
Impaired much??
Years ago a guy pulled up to the toll booth at the Skyway Bridge with a person half way through his windshield. Toll people thought it was a joke because it was near Halloween. Turned out the guy had dementia or something.
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iossarian Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:36:39am |
OK, not to pile on with the Bachmann nonsense, but the use of (liberal, San Francisco values) rawk music by right-wing nutbags always pisses me off:
[Link: www.rawstory.com...]
Republican pols: for the last time, it's Ted Nugent or some lame "Country" crooner*. Or you can just rattle your jewelry.
* Country is in scare quotes for very good musical reasons.
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Gus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:36:42am |
Steve Jobs announces software development center to be constructed in Somalia. Cites tax reasons for relocation.
//
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:38:53am |
re: #159 Gus 802
Think of the opportunities!
Nestle Your Vessel at the Somali Yacht Club
/
When we were still running and fortifying the Panama Canal, the Army had a spectacular and ratty Morale/Welfare boat club in one of the lakes. It had a 100-ton crane to allow launching and bottom work. Guys were building amazing things there.
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Gus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:39:37am |
re: #161 iossarian
OK, not to pile on with the Bachmann nonsense, but the use of (liberal, San Francisco values) rawk music by right-wing nutbags always pisses me off:
[Link: www.rawstory.com...]
Republican pols: for the last time, it's Ted Nugent or some lame "Country" crooner*. Or you can just rattle your jewelry.
* Country is in scare quotes for very good musical reasons.
They could probably use Johnny Ramone but that would probably be too much for their sensitivities. Johnny Ramone was of course a "lifelong Republican" and NRA member. D'oh!
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:39:54am |
re: #147 Gus 802
I think it's the environment created by Fox News and the Tea Party. Wingnuts have been wallowing in this for years and for now they're stuck like this. Nutty candidates like Palin have an irresistible attraction. Even Somebody like Trump, who had absolutely nothing in common with "conservatism", was irresistible because he has all the nutty reality show appeal that wingnuts are attracted to.
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laZardo Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:41:21am |
re: #164 Gus 802
They could probably use Johnny Ramone but that would probably be too much for their sensitivities. Johnny Ramone was of course a "lifelong Republican" and NRA member. D'oh!
That's why the other Ramone wrote "The KKK Took My Baby Away."
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Gus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:42:26am |
re: #165 Killgore Trout
I think it's the environment created by Fox News and the Tea Party. Wingnuts have been wallowing in this for years and for now they're stuck like this. Nutty candidates like Palin have an irresistible attraction. Even Somebody like Trump, who had absolutely nothing in common with "conservatism", was irresistible because he has all the nutty reality show appeal that wingnuts are attracted to.
Then I would say that they're putting profit ahead of politics. IOW, Fox News can make a lot of money pandering to the wingnuts. Selling Trump, Palin, Bachmann, etc. Now of course I say this because Fox is the mouthpiece of the GOP. So while it may line the pockets of Roger Aisles it makes for poor politics and policy. Especially on a national level. Fox News may have high rating yet it still represents a minority of Americans.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:42:48am |
ahoy all.
postings been v light by me recently - not quite sure i'm back yet, but "hello" everyone anyway.
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Gus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:43:09am |
re: #166 laZardo
That's why the other Ramone wrote "The KKK Took My Baby Away."
There was one song that I heard pissed off Johnny Ramone. Was that it?
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lawhawk Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:45:41am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. For those wondering how and why I give Gov. Cuomo the credit for getting the gay marriage bill passed through a Republican-controlled State Senate, it was because the Governor solicited the help of GOP fundraisers who were open to the cause of gay marriage and used their fundraising skills and promises to help those backing the cause to withstand potential criticism from opponents to gay marriage.
That's something that his predecessors didn't do. It's why those earlier efforts failed.
Yet, that was almost not enough as rules changes to make sure that the bill got passed in time for the 11pm news almost derailed the effort since it upset some backers of the bill.
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Gus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:45:52am |
OK. Now I remember. It was "Bonzo Goes to Bitburg."
Image: The%20Ramones%20-%20Bonzo%20Goes%20To%20Bitburg%20%28EP%29.jpg
Apparently Johnny Ramone wasn't happy with poking fun at Reagan.
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andres Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:46:44am |
re: #10 freetoken
Polo Montañez with "Un Monton De Estrellas", a great dance tune:
[Video]
:')
I don't know who covered who, but here's another version of this song, by Gilberto Santa Rosa:
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Gus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:48:14am |
re: #171 Gus 802
OK. Now I remember. It was "Bonzo Goes to Bitburg."
Image: The%20Ramones%20-%20Bonzo%20Goes%20To%20Bitburg%20 %28EP%29.jpg
Apparently Johnny Ramone wasn't happy with poking fun at Reagan.
This...
The Ramones' Animal Boy LP, released by both Sire and Beggars Banquet in 1986, included "Bonzo Goes to Bitburg". According to Robert Christgau, the album version was remixed. The title was altered to "My Brain Is Hanging Upside Down (Bonzo Goes to Bitburg)" to placate Johnny, a staunch conservative, fervent Reagan supporter, and devotee of Nazi paraphernalia. "Go Home Ann" has never been included on an official Ramones original or compilation album.
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iossarian Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:49:45am |
re: #173 Gus 802
a staunch conservative, fervent Reagan supporter, and devotee of Nazi paraphernalia
Not meant to imply that these personality traits go together or anything...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:50:23am |
re: #173 Gus 802
Saw the Ramones in a bar in Ft. Lauderdale. Didn't see any Nazis there.
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Gus Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:02:02am |
re: #175 Cannadian Club Akbar
Saw the Ramones in a bar in Ft. Lauderdale. Didn't see any Nazis there.
I think the point being that while Johnny might have been a collector of Nazi memorabilia that doesn't mean he was a Nazi.
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lawhawk Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:05:43am |
re: Iran's war games and missile tests.
It's time for their annual war games and this time they're saying that the war games are: "message of peace and friendship to countries of the region..."
Right. They're meant to intimidate and force other countries to either develop their own military systems or to send a message to Israel and the US/West that Iran's going ahead with their missile/military weapons development.
The news that Iran has missile silos isn't really a surprise either - they've been building their nuclear capabilities underground to avoid detection and to fortify their infrastructure against potential military strikes by Israel or the US. Hardening their facilities should be no surprise.
What is curious is that some of the footage showing missile launches doesn't actually show the missiles launching off from their launchers, but rather shows them already in flight. I think that was a conscious decision to avoid the embarrassing gaffes where missiles failed to fire (and the resulting fauxtography to cover up the problems).
Iran's also going ahead with plans to launch a monkey into space - which would be a logical step towards heavier payloads and longer range missiles.
All of this isn't particularly surprising, but it is far from reassuring to Israel, which continues to be threatened by Iran on a regular basis and which is within range of Iranian missiles (both from Iran's long range missiles, and the shorter range missiles within the clutches of Iran's proxy Hizbullah; and Hamas)
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darthstar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:17:59am |
re: #161 iossarian
Shouldn't Republicans just limit their campaign songs to "I got friends in low places" by Clint Black and Lee Greenwood's patriotic drunken hymn and avoid getting told repeatedly by rock musicians that they're not cool (or sane) enough to use their songs?
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darthstar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:19:31am |
re: #175 Cannadian Club Akbar
Saw the Ramones in a bar in Ft. Lauderdale. Didn't see any Nazis there.
Didn't you look in the mirror!??!!
//
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darthstar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:21:05am |
re: #173 Gus 802
Nazi paraphernalia? I didn't know Hitler sold bongs.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:21:58am |
re: #178 lawhawk
It's always tough to gauge their capabilities with their history of photoshopping and their bizarre projects like those rickety home made submarines.
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laZardo Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:22:02am |
re: #182 darthstar
Nazi paraphernalia? I didn't know Hitler sold bongs.
Why do you think they picked 4/20?
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lawhawk Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:22:09am |
re: #182 darthstar
But he was fabulous at skating. /mel brooks
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:23:29am |
re: #15 RogueOne
No.
Morning all!
Here's pt. 2 of the LA Times story:
In this assault case, the puzzle pieces don't fit
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
bizarre!
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:24:56am |
re: #167 Gus 802
Then I would say that they're putting profit ahead of politics. IOW, Fox News can make a lot of money pandering to the wingnuts. Selling Trump, Palin, Bachmann, etc. Now of course I say this because Fox is the mouthpiece of the GOP. So while it may line the pockets of Roger Aisles it makes for poor politics and policy. Especially on a national level. Fox News may have high rating yet it still represents a minority of Americans.
You guys still have it wrong. The GOP is the mouthpiece of FOX. It might be turning into the greatest pyramid scheme ever devised in the history of man. A gigantic momument built out of solidified wing-nuttery instead of stone.
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BishopX Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:26:20am |
re: #183 Killgore Trout
It's always tough to gauge their capabilities with their history of photoshopping and their bizarre projects like those rickety home made submarines.
To a certain extent an accurate portrayal of their capabilities doesn't matter. For example Iran got caught Photoshopping it's missile launch to remove a misfire, but the majority of the rockets still launched. From a strategic perspective, Iran hitting Israel with 60 rockets as opposed to launching 60 and hitting with 40, is kinda immaterial. The threat is roughly the same size either way.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:28:56am |
BTW, how is everyone this morning.
My back hurts.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:30:33am |
re: #189 ggt
BTW, how is everyone this morning.
My back hurts.
My back was killing me yesterday...golfed 18 holes on Sunday - should have stopped at nine as I haven't played in a year. It's a bit better today...I hate getting older...I never had back problems when I was younger and thinner.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:30:41am |
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:31:15am |
re: #190 darthstar
My back was killing me yesterday...golfed 18 holes on Sunday - should have stopped at nine as I haven't played in a year. It's a bit better today...I hate getting older...I never had back problems when I was younger and thinner.
a Ortho told my husband once that the "human back was not designed to play golf."
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Alexzander Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:31:44am |
In a tangentially related story (at least, as far as fake propaganda goes):
From Haaretz this morning:
Did Netanyahu's office distribute a fake video against Gaza flotilla?
YouTube video features man who claims he is a gay and human rights activist who was denied joining Gaza flotilla because his group does not serve interest of organizers.
Did Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office distribute a fake anti-flotilla video? This is exactly what some American bloggers have been claiming, after probing a video that was uploaded to YouTube on Sunday.
The video, nearly three minutes long, featured a young man who called himself Marc and claimed to be a gay and human rights activist. The man recounted a story in which he asked the organizers of the upcoming Gaza flotilla to join their mission, and claimed that his request was allegedly denied on the grounds that participation of the gay and lesbian group with which he was affiliated would not serve the flotilla’s “interests.”
Blumenthal seems to have an obsession with finding media hoaxes.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:34:43am |
re: #193 Alexzander
In a tangentially related story (at least, as far as fake propaganda goes):
From Haaretz this morning:
Blumenthal seems to have an obsession with finding media hoaxes.
It was a pretty lame attempt at a hoax and detracts from the real ugliness of the flotilla.
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shutdown Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:36:02am |
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:37:48am |
re: #193 Alexzander
In a tangentially related story (at least, as far as fake propaganda goes):
From Haaretz this morning:
Blumenthal seems to have an obsession with finding media hoaxes.
Well, are there Gays on the flotilla? Are they going to have a pride march once they get to Gaza?
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:39:24am |
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:39:59am |
back to the bed to rest.
Have a great morning all!
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Alexzander Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:40:26am |
re: #196 Alouette
Well, are there Gays on the flotilla? Are they going to have a pride march once they get to Gaza?
Yeah I think it was pretty creative way of possibly starting some self-reflection on bahalf of the 'liberals' who are blinding supporting a variety of political organizations they are often pretty ill-acquainted with.
But actively creating a lying video like this will probably backfire. On Blumenthal's website he is claiming the video was created by the Israel Law Center and funded by non other than John Hagee! Ugh.
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Alexzander Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:42:16am |
re: #196 Alouette
Well, are there Gays on the flotilla? Are they going to have a pride march once they get to Gaza?
Alice Walker had a relationship with Tracy Chapman but I'm not sure if there are any politically gay activists on board.
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shutdown Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:43:31am |
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shutdown Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:44:29am |
re: #200 Alexzander
Alice Walker had a relationship with Tracy Chapman but I'm not sure if there are any politically gay activists on board.
Non sequitur of the day: Tracy Chapman taught my sister how to play guitar before becoming famous (Chapman, not my sister).
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Alexzander Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:45:53am |
re: #202 imp_62
Non sequitur of the day: Tracy Chapman taught my sister how to play guitar before becoming famous (Chapman, not my sister).
Thats pretty cool. Chapman was very lucky to become famous - she was spotted by the daughter of music executive outside of a subway station I believe.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:49:21am |
re: #199 Alexzander
But actively creating a lying video like this will probably backfire. On Blumenthal's website he is claiming the video was created by the Israel Law Center and funded by non other than John Hagee! Ugh.
John Hagee's a Jew?
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shutdown Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:50:05am |
re: #203 Alexzander
Thats pretty cool. Chapman was very lucky to become famous - she was spotted by the daughter of music executive outside of a subway station I believe.
She was very well known on the MBTA during the mid- late 80s. She would set up in stations along the red and green lines and sing and play guitar, then sell CDs. Word was that she resisted efforts to sign her to a label until she had sufficient material for a hit record with maximum earnings upside, She wanted to take care of herself and her family, and apparently had no illusions about the transitory nature of fame and fortune.
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Alexzander Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:52:53am |
re: #204 darthstar
John Hagee's a Jew?
Actually I got that part incorrect; I assumed when Blumenthal said on his blog that John Hagee had funded project to harass the US ship in the Flotilla that the blog was talking about this fake gay activists video. Actually its just talking about an annonymous legal complaint against the US ship, which it turns out was created by the Israel Law Center, which is indeed funded in part by John Hagee.
Not sure if you're joking with the question though.
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BishopX Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:53:36am |
re: #196 Alouette
Well, are there Gays on the flotilla? Are they going to have a pride march once they get to Gaza?
Of course that's what the gays will do when they get to Gaza. Have a pride march and then a giant orgy. Because that's all gay people do march and fuck. Why else would they be going if not to have a march and an orgy?
Geez it's almost like you believe gay people might actually hold political beliefs related to other people.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:55:11am |
re: #206 Alexzander
I do believe Hagee's a card carrying asshole evangelical. When it comes to the I/P debacle, there are strange bedfellows all around.
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darthstar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:56:27am |
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shutdown Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:57:13am |
re: #209 darthstar
I should have been born gay.
You were. Being straight is a choice; it can be fixed through prayer and physical "correction"
//
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:59:16am |
re: #207 BishopX
Of course that's what the gays will do when they get to Gaza. Have a pride march and then a giant orgy. Because that's all gay people do march and fuck. Why else would they be going if not to have a march and an orgy?
Geez it's almost like you believe gay people might actually hold political beliefs related to other people.
What I meant was that Gaza is such a gay friendly place.
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Obdicut Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:04:06am |
re: #207 BishopX
Of course that's what the gays will do when they get to Gaza. Have a pride march and then a giant orgy. Because that's all gay people do march and fuck. Why else would they be going if not to have a march and an orgy?
Geez it's almost like you believe gay people might actually hold political beliefs related to other people.
um, I think what Alouette was pointing out was that gays aren't exactly welcome in Gaza, by the Gazans. It wasn't a slam against gays.
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Alexzander Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:05:22am |
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shutdown Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:08:05am |
re: #213 Alexzander
Knowing Alouette, the non-homophobic nature of the comment was pretty clear. I read it the way she meant, with a sarcastic question mark. Misunderstandings happen.
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Alexzander Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:10:56am |
re: #214 imp_62
Knowing Alouette, the non-homophobic nature of the comment was pretty clear. I read it the way she meant, with a sarcastic question mark. Misunderstandings happen.
I read it that way at first too - but I emphasized with BishopX's reaction when I re-read it. Oh wells.
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BishopX Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:13:15am |
re: #211 Alouette
What I meant was that Gaza is such a gay friendly place.
I got what you meant. My point still stands. Gay people are more than capable of seeing beyond their noses, and having political beliefs which transcend their desire for equal rights. A gay person living in a tent amidst the rubble of their home is still a person living in a tent amidst the rubble of their home. If you let them build a new house they are still going to better off than if you didn't. The Gaza blockade is doing the GLBT community in Gaza no favors. It's strengthening Hamas, wreaking havoc on businesses and undermining civil society. All of these things are bad for the GLBT community there. Will gay people on the flotilla magically make the institutional homophobia in Gaza go away? No, and no one is saying that it will. But from the point of view of the Flotilla participants, Gaza is suffering and the flotilla will help them. You don't lecture a starving person about how they need to stand up for their rights. You feed them.
Claiming that Gay people should stay away from the flotilla because Hamas isn't gay friendly reduces gays to a one dimensional characterization of themselves. It's fucking offensive.
I'm going to run to the store to replace my phone charger (rabbit chewwed through the cord). Be back in a bit.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:13:21am |
Well, there are some folks on this forum who think that Alouette is one of the last wild-eyed, bible-banging, fanatical, religious maniacs still allowed to post at LGF. Because of the sign-up date, you know.
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Ericus58 Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:20:34am |
re: #216 BishopX
You're making way too much out of her comments.
Come back with a better perspective.
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:20:43am |
re: #217 Alouette
Well, there are some folks on this forum who think that Alouette is one of the last wild-eyed, bible-banging, fanatical, religious maniacs still allowed to post at LGF. Because of the sign-up date, you know.
I thought it was due to the avatar. Which shows right-leaning politics due to the fact that the removed outer shell is lying to the right of the main image rather than to the left...
/
;)
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shutdown Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:21:32am |
re: #216 BishopX
Whether you are here to read this or not, I still have to respond. The blockade is not "strengthening Hamas". This kind of logic, reversing the causality of the Gaza situation, is harmful to all affected communities - Palestinian, Israeli, GLBT, etc. Also, claiming that Alouette's post made any point about what the GLBT community ought to do or not to do, is simply incorrect.
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Obdicut Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:22:41am |
re: #216 BishopX
How is the blockade undermining civil society and/or strengthening Hamas?
Or, to put it another way, what would be the situation for Hamas, and for civil society in Gaza, without the blockade in place-- and with any amount of material allowed to be delivered to Gaza?
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Ericus58 Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:24:58am |
Lt. Col. Avital Leibovich: We cannot afford to outsource our security to the international community
"Lt. Col. Leibovich explains that due to a vast history of smuggling weapons via the sea to terror sources who target Israeli civilians, the IDF must reserve the right to inspect every ship intending to reach the region. Failure to do so will result in the arming of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and other terrorist organizations in Gaza. The recent interception of the Victoria ship by the IDF last March shows the attempt by Iran to arm these groups with highly sophisticated weaponry to be used against Israeli civilians."
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shutdown Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:30:37am |
Hate to leave this hotbed of active conversation, but I have some errands to run. Later.
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lawhawk Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:34:40am |
Poll shows that NYS Legislature and Gov. Cuomo were within their mandate to enact gay marriage.
New York State voters support 54 - 40 percent a law allowing same-sex couples to marry, with voters under 35 supporting the measure 70 - 26 percent, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today. Voters 35 to 64 years old also support the measure, while voters over 65 oppose it 57 - 37 percent. Support remained consistent before and after passage of the bill.White Catholics split 48 - 48 percent on same-sex marriage. Jews support it 67 - 30 percent, while white Protestants oppose the measure 54 - 40 percent, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University poll finds. Voters who say they have no religion support the measure 78 - 17 percent.
Voters split 47 - 46 percent on whether a same-sex marriage bill will pressure religious groups to perform such marriages. There will be pressure, white Protestants say 52 - 39 percent. White Catholics split 50 - 48 percent and Jews say no pressure 55 - 38 percent.
Opposition from religious leaders to same-sex marriage does not affect their attitudes on the issue, 70 percent of New York State voters say. Because of this opposition, 17 percent of white Protestants, 21 percent of white Catholics and 17 percent of Jews are less likely to support same-sex marriage.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:35:37am |
re: #125 darthstar
Steve Benen writes, “I hate to be a stickler for reality, but when the Declaration of Independence was signed, John Quincy Adams was a nine-year-old boy.”
Nine year old FOUNDING FATHER!
Well, according to "The Founding Father's Second Amendment" by Stephen P. Halbrook, an 8 year old JQ Adams was drilling with the militia in the run up to the battles at Lexington and Concord. His musket was longer than he was tall. Perhaps Founding Son would suit better?
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:40:26am |
BTW that title should be The Founders' Second Amendment. PIMF.
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Alexzander Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:46:02am |
re: #221 Obdicut
How is the blockade undermining civil society and/or strengthening Hamas?
Or, to put it another way, what would be the situation for Hamas, and for civil society in Gaza, without the blockade in place-- and with any amount of material allowed to be delivered to Gaza?
I'd love a really full answer to this question - or rather a civil debate I suppose. Too early for it at the moment though and I'm definitely not qualified to answer.
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wrenchwench Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:01:04am |
re: #228 Alexzander
I'd love a really full answer to this question - or rather a civil debate I suppose. Too early for it at the moment though and I'm definitely not qualified to answer.
Weren't you complaining about the lack of such a discussion yesterday?
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Alexzander Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:03:25am |
re: #229 wrenchwench
Weren't you complaining about the lack of such a discussion yesterday?
Yeah when everyone was talking about the one trollish hate mail which didn't seem worth the time. I think the specific was a little easy to grasp then the full ramifications for 'civil society' if the full blockade were to be lifted however. That particular question is at least worthy of a few PhD theses.
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BishopX Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:08:44am |
re: #217 Alouette
Well, there are some folks on this forum who think that Alouette is one of the last wild-eyed, bible-banging, fanatical, religious maniacs still allowed to post at LGF. Because of the sign-up date, you know.
I don't think you're all that fanatical, maniacal or wild eyed. you're coming at this from a very different place than I am, and I think that some of your ignorance is showing.
I'm also in a really bad mood today (see rabbit and cell phone cord) which makes me more snappish than usual. My apologies for going so far.
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Obdicut Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:10:55am |
re: #231 BishopX
How is some of her ignorance showing, when what she was talking about was how intolerant Gaza is to gays?
The comment about going on a pride march was not, at all, a statement that that's what gays do, but rather the impossibility of doing so in Gaza.
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Obdicut Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:11:51am |
re: #230 Alexzander
Generally, complaining that the subject of the post isn't worth talking about is considered both stupid and in poor taste; if you want to discuss a subject other than the one Charles posts, you can attempt to do so without insulting his choice of topics.
Or you can create a page on it, and see if there's interest.
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Alexzander Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:17:30am |
re: #233 Obdicut
Fair enough. I guess I assumed the hate mail threads were basically open threads. I should probably just start doing pages again but it seems most of the conversation happens on the main posts and the pages have been cycling rapidly as of late.
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wrenchwench Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:23:14am |
re: #234 Alexzander
Fair enough. I guess I assumed the hate mail threads were basically open threads. I should probably just start doing pages again but it seems most of the conversation happens on the main posts and the pages have been cycling rapidly as of late.
You can consider a hate mail thread open (at least after a few comments) and any thread can be considered open to OT after 100 comments (or fewer if it's really slow). But to emphasize the point you seemed to miss, complaining that the topic posted "didn't seem worth the time," is always rude.
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iossarian Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:24:15am |
Interesting news item from the BBC re. ritual slaughter ban that is being proposed in the Netherlands. A real head-scratcher - hard to accuse animal rights people of being specifically anti-Muslim or anti-Jewish, but of course some people will jump on the bandwagon for reasons that have nothing to do with animal welfare.
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]
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iossarian Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:26:50am |
Also, more "Science, It Works" type stuff, this time with regard to evolution:
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BishopX Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:27:19am |
re: #220 imp_62
re: #221 Obdicut
Hamas controls the smuggling into Gaza. With the blockade in place only Hamas has the power to make economic decisions within Gaza. Want to build a house? You need Hamas. Want to start a factory? You need Hamas.
The economic sanctions on Gaza also make a normally functioning economy impossible. Unemployment is at 40%. No new businesses are being started. Right now if you want a job in Gaza, you need Hamas. Because no one else is in a position to hire. This makes Hamas stronger in relation to other power blocs within Gaza.
In absolute terms the blockade weakens Hamas, it prevents them from rebuilding and rearming. It just weakens the rest of Gazan society more. If we take the west bank as an example of what Gaza would look like without the blockade (this is somewhat problematic but better than nothing), unemployment would drop from 40% to 16% and the percent of people living below the poverty line would decrease from 70% of the population to 40% of the population.
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Kragar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:31:55am |
re: #238 BishopX
re: #221 Obdicut
Hamas controls the smuggling into Gaza. With the blockade in place only Hamas has the power to make economic decisions within Gaza. Want to build a house? You need Hamas. Want to start a factory? You need Hamas.
The economic sanctions on Gaza also make a normally functioning economy impossible. Unemployment is at 40%. No new businesses are being started. Right now if you want a job in Gaza, you need Hamas. Because no one else is in a position to hire. This makes Hamas stronger in relation to other power blocs within Gaza.
In absolute terms the blockade weakens Hamas, it prevents them from rebuilding and rearming. It just weakens the rest of Gazan society more. If we take the west bank as an example of what Gaza would look like without the blockade (this is somewhat problematic but better than nothing), unemployment would drop from 40% to 16% and the percent of people living below the poverty line would decrease from 70% of the population to 40% of the population.
Its almost as if when you elect terrorists thugs into political power, it turns out badly for those who voted for them. Who'd have thunk it?
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Alexzander Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:33:12am |
re: #238 BishopX
Do you know if things are any better for gay individuals in the West Bank compared to Gaza?
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iossarian Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:33:51am |
re: #239 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Its almost as if when you elect terrorists thugs into political power, it turns out badly for those who voted for them. Who'd have thunk it?
This is too simplistic. Sinn Fein was a key part of the peace process in Northern Ireland. The parallels are not exact, but there is always going to be some kind of political representation.
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Ericus58 Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:34:12am |
re: #231 BishopX
I gave you an upding for the apology...
but the "ignorance" comment, come on guy....
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Kragar Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:35:35am |
re: #241 iossarian
This is too simplistic. Sinn Fein was a key part of the peace process in Northern Ireland. The parallels are not exact, but there is always going to be some kind of political representation.
Did Sinn Fein have the complete destruction of Britain written into their charter?
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lawhawk Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:35:40am |
re: #238 BishopX
The blockade against Hamas would not have been necessary had Hamas not: 1) begun a suicide bombing campaign requiring the construction of checkpoints and a security fence; (2) begun a rocket war against Israel because the security fence was so successful in thwarting the suicide bombers.
Now, the situation in Gaza isn't nearly as dire as you're making it out to be. Hamas does control much of the economic activity in Gaza - but that's because Hamas forcibly threw Fatah out of Gaza and sought to impose its socio-political will on the territory. Hamas sought to carry out what it saw as its mandate in Gaza per the 2005 elections (new elections are supposedly scheduled for later this year as part of a rapproachment between Hamas and Fatah). Israel, seeing how Hamas has carried out a terror war against Israel, was not going to allow Hamas the means with which to regroup and rearm using materials Israel was allowing and sending into Gaza.
Moreover, following Mubarak's ouster from Egypt, the new government indicated that it would open the border with Gaza and some additional materials are now getting through, but the Egyptian government has shut the door once again and the smuggling tunnels are quite the profit center for the terror group.
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BishopX Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:36:50am |
re: #240 Alexzander
I think it depends on your definition of better... In terms of political and social repression, the west bank isn't all that much better. In terms of economic quality of life, yeah it's better.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:36:55am |
Nafusan Rebels have seize a large ammo depot in Libya.
They are now well-armed, at least on this front. They now have all sorts of guns and other assorted small arms, along with some vehicles.
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BishopX Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:40:05am |
re: #244 lawhawk
Yes.
I'm not saying that the blockade is unjustified or unnecessary. I'm just saying that it is a double edged sword. It hurts Hamas, and it also hurts everyone else. It's an open question who got hurt more. In terms of my description of Gaza, I'm taking all of my figures from the CIA world factbook. You're welcome to dispute the figures if you think there are better ones.
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lawhawk Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:42:33am |
re: #245 BishopX
Nonsense. In much of the West Bank Palestinians are actually governing themselves.
There are A, B, and C areas. There are areas of shared civil administration, Israel only zones, and Palestinian only zones. There are places that Israelis are not allowed to go because of prohibitions put in place per Oslo and follow up documents.
Where Palestinians claim that they are being repressed are areas that fall inside the boundaries of the greater Jerusalem area and certain places where Israeli communities are adjacent to Arab communities and Israel has built security fences to protect Israelis from terror attacks (which continue in the WB but at a significantly reduced level due to better policing by Fatah in the WB - a point that Hamas exploits by calling Fatah collaborators with Israel).
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iossarian Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:43:58am |
re: #243 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Did Sinn Fein have the complete destruction of Britain written into their charter?
I'm not going to get into the intricacies of Sinn Fein's policies but they certainly stood for the complete removal of British control of Northern Ireland.
The Israel-UK parallel is not particularly relevant. The parallel to consider is Israel-Northern Ireland.
And again, I didn't say the parallels were exact. In any case, it would be interesting to think of what the sources of Hamas's political influence are, since if you want to reduce that influence, it makes sense to address those sources.
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BishopX Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:46:52am |
re: #248 lawhawk
I was speaking specifically about gay individuals living in the west bank as compared to Gaza.
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Winny Spencer Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:47:01am |
Watched Hardball last night.
Michael Steele is a partisan hack.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:57:01am |
re: #120 Killgore Trout
I think the leftties are wound up about this story which has been making the rounds on lefty blogs
I had a bit of fun with it, myself. (Not) Queer Like Me.
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