Michele Bachmann (R-Mars) Refuses to Admit She Was Wrong About Founding Fathers

Very weird behavior
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This is absolutely bizarre. Why won’t Michele Bachmann simply say she misspoke, when she claimed the founding fathers “worked tirelessly” to end slavery?

Instead Bachmann is doubling down on her false statement and refusing to admit she was wrong — and not only that, now she’s claiming that John Quincy Adams, the sixth President of the United States, was one of the founding fathers.

John Quincy Adams was eight years old when the Declaration of Independence was written.

UPDATE at 6/28/11 10:58:15 am

And now, someone has tried to edit the Wikipedia page for John Quincy Adams, to make him a founding father: John Quincy Adams - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

The Bachmannized version:

‘John Quincy Adams”’ ({{IPAc-en|John_Quincy_Adams_pron.ogg|ˈ|k|w|ɪ|n|z|i}}; July 11, 1767{{ndash}} February 23, 1848), a founding father, was the [[List of Presidents of the United States|sixth]] [[President of the United States]] (1825–1829).

The current revision:

John Quincy Adams”’ ({{IPAc-en|John_Quincy_Adams_pron.ogg|ˈ|k|w|ɪ|n|z|i}}; July 11, 1767{{ndash}} February 23, 1848) was the [[List of Presidents of the United States|sixth]] [[President of the United States]] (1825–1829).

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313 comments

1 Locker  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:48:59am

See bucket, insert head.

2 iossarian  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:50:05am

Because this way Republicans can pretend that the Founding Fathers were perfect godlike beings who didn't make any mistakes or errors of judgement, which is a pre-requisite for justifying the "originalism" that they like to use as a smokescreen for their pro-corporation, anti-government extremism.

3 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:50:50am

Hey, when you talk to gd on a daily basis, everything coming out of your mouth has to be the infallible trooth, by default.

4 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:51:25am

Michele Bachmann is one admission of imperfection away from a nervous breakdown, that's why. Her perfect-world image that she believes in is a gigantic fragile egg balanced on a 12 story house of cards. Anything can bring the whole thing crashing to the ground.

5 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:51:30am

She's entitled to her own reality...

No wait.

She's entitled to her own opinion, but not her own facts.

She's entitled to make a complete fool of herself on the national stage and her obstinacy about all of her misstatements is just mind boggling stupid as though no one would fact-check anything she says?

That she's going about and claiming things that are simply unsupportable by history shows just how unserious she is about the job she's seeking - and it goes to the lack of character and judgment.

6 Kragar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:51:30am

It makes perfect sense once you take into account she is stupid.

7 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:51:47am

This would have been a very easy gaffe to back away from: "Of course I misspoke. What I meant to say was that the Founding Fathers laid the groundwork for the abolition of slavery by abolishing the slave trade and by ensuring protection for such rights as free speech and due process."

8 Interesting Times  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:52:04am

...and right on cue:

Bachmann Fans Now Editing Wikipedia To Please Dear Leader

You knew it was going to happen at some point. Here are the edits some Bachmann fan attempted to add to Wikipedia in order to prove Bachmann’s false allegation that the then-child John Quincy Adams was a founding father. They were soon reverted with an admonition to “Please don’t edit an historical article based on current events.”

9 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:52:30am

re: #7 Shiplord Kirel

This would have been a very easy gaffe to back away from: "Of course I misspoke. What I meant to say was that the Founding Fathers laid the groundwork for the abolition of slavery by abolishing the slave trade and by ensuring protection for such rights as free speech and due process. Tax cuts! Jesus! America!"

Fixed.

10 Alexzander  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:52:34am

You know I'd love a Backmann primary win (for the lulz, and possibly a more mature realignment of the GOP) but at this rate I'd say she burns out in a month. Agreed?

Its really looking like it will be Romney at this point.

11 mr. hammer  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:53:00am

FWIW, I think JQA was about 20 in 1787

12 subsailor68  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:54:28am

Hi Charles,

I think you meant to type Declaration of Independence instead of Constitution in the post. (Small matter, I got your point.)

13 Winny Spencer  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:54:45am

re: #10 Alexzander

You know I'd love a Backmann primary win (for the lulz, and possibly a more mature realignment of the GOP) but at this rate I'd say she burns out in a month. Agreed?

Its really looking like it will be Romney at this point.

Perry is the only plausible threat, IMO.

14 makeitstop  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:55:32am

Freakin' Amateur Hour.

15 Mattand  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:55:49am
Why won’t Michele Bachmann simply say she misspoke, when she claimed the founding fathers “worked tirelessly” to end slavery?

Easy enough: she doesn't have to. I think I'm paraphrasing the Taibbi Rolling Stone article; Bachmann's devotees share the same siege mentality. Any mistake that is pointed out is proof of people trying to attack her.

On a tangent, it's absolutely fascinating to watch the Baggers keep trying to paint all the Founding Fathers as Abolitionist. A good chunk of them own slaves. I can't wrap my head around the thought process it take to convince one's self that George Washington thought the best way to fight slavery was to own slaves.

It's like someone declaring they're for animal rights by hosting a pit bull fighting match in their basement every week.

16 recusancy  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:56:53am

re: #10 Alexzander

You know I'd love a Backmann primary win (for the lulz, and possibly a more mature realignment of the GOP) but at this rate I'd say she burns out in a month. Agreed?

Its really looking like it will be Romney at this point.

I think Romney too but Markos is picking Bachmann and makes some good points. (He admits it may be wishful thinking)

17 BishopX  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:57:44am

re: #11 mr. hammer

He was born July 11, 1967. During the constitutional convention he was working as a lawyer in Boston.

18 iossarian  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:58:03am

re: #16 recusancy

I think Romney too but Markos is picking Bachmann and makes some good points. (He admits it may be wishful thinking)

That piece is pure concern trolling. Obviously a Bachmann primary win would be a huge boost for Democrats.

Having said that, if she wins Iowa it's certainly not impossible.

19 recusancy  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:58:38am

re: #12 subsailor68

Hi Charles,

I think you meant to type Declaration of Independence instead of Constitution in the post. (Small matter, I got your point.)

And he was actually 8 when it was signed on July 4th.

20 recusancy  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:59:30am

re: #18 iossarian

That piece is pure concern trolling. Obviously a Bachmann primary win would be a huge boost for Democrats.

Having said that, if she wins Iowa it's certainly not impossible.

Huh? Concern trolling? What's he concerned about?

21 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:59:32am

Someone tried to edit Wikipedia's John Quincy Adams article.

See the update.

22 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:00:03am

re: #17 BishopX

He was born July 11, 1967. During the constitutional convention he was working as a lawyer in Boston.

Shit...John Quincy Adams is younger than I am.

23 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:00:15am

It doesn't matter if JQ Adams was 10 0r 20 at the founding, he didn't work "tirelessly" for the end of slavery until after 1820.

24 Iwouldprefernotto  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:00:23am

All I know is this: Somewhere George Orwell is smiling.

25 Alexzander  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:01:20am

re: #21 Charles

publicityStunted mentioned that in #8.

26 ElCapitanAmerica  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:02:08am

re: #17 BishopX

He was born July 11, 1967. During the constitutional convention he was working as a lawyer in Boston.

1967? :-)

27 iossarian  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:02:14am

re: #20 recusancy

Huh? Concern trolling? What's he concerned about?

OK, "concern trolling" is maybe not the exact phrase for the piece as a whole (though it applies to his "I don't see a path to election for the other candidates" at the end).

But it's dishonest. He's trying to build/support a particular narrative that paints Bachmann as a credible contender, because he wants her to win the primary. A disinterested observer would be unlikely to come up with the same story.

28 sunnygal  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:03:01am

I'm a new poster but long-time lurker. I check this site before anything else when I log on each day to find out what current ridiculous tripe is being spewed by the right-wing nutters.

That said, it's easy to see why Bachmann won't debate the 16-year-old about history.

Her avoiding answering any actual questions is so obvious, how can anyone not see that she is making "pants on fire" statements? I guess if you are a religious nut, facts don't matter unless they conform to your beliefs.

29 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:03:04am

re: #21 Charles

Someone tried to edit Wikipedia's John Quincy Adams article.

See the update.

Yep...

This page was last modified on 28 June 2011 at 17:32.

I checked it this morning, and her followers hadn't figured out which JQA she was talking about (probably because they were still too busy turning John Wayne Gacy into a well loved movie star).

"Wait? What? John who Adams? The guy who sells beer in Boston? Shit! Stop talking Michele! We can only type so fast and these wikipedia pages are hard to find!"

30 elizajane  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:03:35am

I think that the press in general needs to stop harping on her minor historical errors and start looking at her major policy ideas.

Playing the "she's another dumb bimbo like Palin" could really backfire. Like calling her a flake -- it gets people riled up, and it looks sexist, and it could make Republican women really, really angry at the media. Why is the media doing this, when her actual genuine statements about politics are so toxic? She should be taken seriously, because to take her seriously would be to expose the worst of the worst on the Right. Misstatements about John Wayne are nothing that hasn't been equalled by Obama and Biden, really.

I've been as guilty of this as anybody, but I'm starting to dislike the culture of politics by mockery. The governmental issues at stake are way too serious.

31 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:03:38am

re: #26 ElCapitanAmerica

1967? :-)

I've updated the wiki to reflect this correct date of birth for the founding father.

32 Mattand  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:04:35am

re: #28 sunnygal


That said, it's easy to see why Bachmann won't debate the 16-year-old about history.

QFT

33 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:04:47am

re: #15 mattand

On a tangent, it's absolutely fascinating to watch the Baggers keep trying to paint all the Founding Fathers as Abolitionist.

That, it is. They only reveal the stupid-levels of their constituents, though. They are the only people ignorant enough to fall for that nonsense.

34 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:05:52am

re: #17 BishopX

He was born July 11, 1967. During the constitutional convention he was working as a lawyer in Boston.

Time travel is your friend.

I assume you mean July 11, 1767. That would make him 9 years old at the time of the Declaration of Independence and he was in Harvard until 1788. The Constitution was adopted September 1787 when JQA was 20. The Bill of Rights was ratified in 1791.

FWIW, John Adams who was among the signatories to the Declaration of Independence wasn't at the Constitutional Convention; he was ambassador to the British.

35 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:06:14am

re: #27 iossarian

OK, "concern trolling" is maybe not the exact phrase for the piece as a whole (though it applies to his "I don't see a path to election for the other candidates" at the end).

But it's dishonest. He's trying to build/support a particular narrative that paints Bachmann as a credible contender, because he wants her to win the primary. A disinterested observer would be unlikely to come up with the same story.

I think the word you're working for is "puff piece" because "concern trolling" is when you pretend that you're on someone's side but are only doing it to deconstruct your argument.

For example: "I support raising taxes on the rich, but I have some concerns about what the economy might be.... "

36 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:06:28am

re: #25 Alexzander

Yeah, it looks like everybody immediately thought of checking Wikipedia.

37 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:07:05am

re: #28 sunnygal

I'm a new poster but long-time lurker. I check this site before anything else when I log on each day to find out what current ridiculous tripe is being spewed by the right-wing nutters.

That said, it's easy to see why Bachmann won't debate the 16-year-old about history.

Her avoiding answering any actual questions is so obvious, how can anyone not see that she is making "pants on fire" statements? I guess if you are a religious nut, facts don't matter unless they conform to your beliefs.

Hola and greetings :)

38 Alexzander  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:07:24am

re: #27 iossarian

OK, "concern trolling" is maybe not the exact phrase for the piece as a whole (though it applies to his "I don't see a path to election for the other candidates" at the end).

But it's dishonest. He's trying to build/support a particular narrative that paints Bachmann as a credible contender, because he wants her to win the primary. A disinterested observer would be unlikely to come up with the same story.

Conservapedia amusingly has Bachmann as their number 1 likely winner as well now. Obviously not disinterested - but it shows that many on the right cannot see what a victory she would be for the democrats.

39 iossarian  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:07:39am

re: #35 jamesfirecat

"Puff piece" is probably right, thanks.

40 albusteve  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:07:46am

re: #30 elizajane

I think that the press in general needs to stop harping on her minor historical errors and start looking at her major policy ideas.

Playing the "she's another dumb bimbo like Palin" could really backfire. Like calling her a flake -- it gets people riled up, and it looks sexist, and it could make Republican women really, really angry at the media. Why is the media doing this, when her actual genuine statements about politics are so toxic? She should be taken seriously, because to take her seriously would be to expose the worst of the worst on the Right. Misstatements about John Wayne are nothing that hasn't been equalled by Obama and Biden, really.

I've been as guilty of this as anybody, but I'm starting to dislike the culture of politics by mockery. The governmental issues at stake are way too serious.

agreed...you saved me a post

41 nines09  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:08:24am

She contradicts herself every other time she opens her mouth. This is a crazy person. This is nuts. "Take back our nation. From whom?" answer "From the people all across the nation."
Koo Koo.

42 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:08:46am

re: #16 recusancy

I think Romney too but Markos is picking Bachmann and makes some good points. (He admits it may be wishful thinking)

In my view, that kind of wishful thinking is kinda stupid.

People don't seem to think ahead...if she's the nominee her chances go up to a 50-50 chance of winning. Maybe in a pre- Bush v Gore/Citizens United world it would be funnier to me, dunno.

43 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:08:53am

re: #29 darthstar

That's Sam Adams.. he knows his hops. John Adams? He knows his character and judgment - picking Washington as commander in chief of the nascent American army and John Marshal as the first chief justice of the US supreme Court.

44 Alexzander  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:08:57am

re: #36 Charles

Yeah, it looks like everybody immediately thought of checking Wikipedia.

Too bad they dont all just use conservapedia. It would be amazing to watch that site drift farther and farther away from reality as these kinds of 'necessary' historical revisions pop up.

45 BishopX  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:09:10am

re: #26 ElCapitanAmerica

pfft what a few hundred years between friends/

46 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:09:32am

Uh. I think you got the wrong diff. This is the correct one. The one linked in the update adresses a different kind of vandalism.

47 Kragar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:11:41am

Bryan Fischer defends Bachmann's Gacy Gaffe by linking homosexuality to pedophilia


So liberals, by going out of their way to snarkily remind us of John Wayne Gacy, are inadvertently reminding us of the clear connection between homosexuality and pedophilia, which isn’t the smartest thing they’ve ever done.

48 Jimmah  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:12:25am

All hail the Founding Foetus!

49 jc717  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:12:34am

[Link: bit.ly...]

50 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:12:34am

re: #46 000G

Uh. I think you got the wrong diff. This is the correct one. The one linked in the update adresses a different kind of vandalism.

No, it's the correct one. It has the edited text, including the "founding fathers" claim.

51 Mattand  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:13:53am

re: #30 elizajane

I think that the press in general needs to stop harping on her minor historical errors and start looking at her major policy ideas.

Playing the "she's another dumb bimbo like Palin" could really backfire. Like calling her a flake -- it gets people riled up, and it looks sexist, and it could make Republican women really, really angry at the media. Why is the media doing this, when her actual genuine statements about politics are so toxic? She should be taken seriously, because to take her seriously would be to expose the worst of the worst on the Right. Misstatements about John Wayne are nothing that hasn't been equalled by Obama and Biden, really.

I've been as guilty of this as anybody, but I'm starting to dislike the culture of politics by mockery. The governmental issues at stake are way too serious.

You make a really good point. My one response to that would be if Bachmann can't get grade school US History correct, it raises serious concerns about her understanding of federal government overall.

52 makeitstop  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:15:16am

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bryan Fischer defends Bachmann's Gacy Gaffe by linking homosexuality to pedophilia

My brain is about to pop out of my head from over-exposure to stupid.

53 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:15:24am

re: #30 elizajane

I think that the press in general needs to stop harping on her minor historical errors and start looking at her major policy ideas.

Playing the "she's another dumb bimbo like Palin" could really backfire. Like calling her a flake -- it gets people riled up, and it looks sexist, and it could make Republican women really, really angry at the media.

Agreed. They also need to can that old Bachmann/Palin "rivalry" and "catfight" bullshyt they've cooked up. Been saying this for a few mos, now.

At a certain point, the press, and the voting populace whether for or against Bachmann, is going to have to realize they are looking at a history-maker as the first female candidate who has a chance of getting a party nomination.

I sure wish it were different, but ppl in hell...

54 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:15:48am

I don't think she's answered a question since the 70s.
/

55 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:16:33am

re: #30 elizajane

I think that the press in general needs to stop harping on her minor historical errors and start looking at her major policy ideas.

Playing the "she's another dumb bimbo like Palin" could really backfire. Like calling her a flake -- it gets people riled up, and it looks sexist, and it could make Republican women really, really angry at the media. Why is the media doing this, when her actual genuine statements about politics are so toxic? She should be taken seriously, because to take her seriously would be to expose the worst of the worst on the Right. Misstatements about John Wayne are nothing that hasn't been equalled by Obama and Biden, really.

I've been as guilty of this as anybody, but I'm starting to dislike the culture of politics by mockery. The governmental issues at stake are way too serious.

WELL when I was yammering on about sexism yesterday, I took a look at the article posted on Politico and the last line read:

Given that it clearly struck a nerve with viewers, there's a strong chance it will also add to Bachmann's appeal to women voters.

My point was not popular, but, yes, you're right. And women are a huge voting bloc. OTOH, she's not going to get liberals and most likely, not indie's either.

In my view, there is a sexism problem "dumb broad", but they also put it on themselves - Bachmann and Palin. No one's calling Hillary a dumb broad. They just call her a lezzie *sigh* Cuz smart wimmenz must be gay :(

56 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:16:46am

re: #53 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Any and all criticism will be labelled sexism. It's pure genius.

57 makeitstop  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:16:55am

re: #53 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

the first female candidate who has a chance of getting a party nomination.

Wouldn't that be Hillary Clinton?

58 Lidane  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:17:11am

I have a meeting in 45 minutes that I'm not ready for. I am bored at work and my eyes are glazing over. I *still* have more common sense than anyone who takes Bachmann seriously.

I said it on a Page about this and I'll say it here -- if a kid tried to use her logic in their history class, the teacher would fail them. Instead, Bachmann has idiots trying to edit Wikipedia to make history agree with her.

WTF wingnuts? Are you that pathetic that the slightest mistake must be nuked from orbit or your belief system is completely destroyed?

59 Alexzander  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:17:34am

re: #30 elizajane

I think that the press in general needs to stop harping on her minor historical errors and start looking at her major policy ideas.

Playing the "she's another dumb bimbo like Palin" could really backfire. Like calling her a flake -- it gets people riled up, and it looks sexist, and it could make Republican women really, really angry at the media. Why is the media doing this, when her actual genuine statements about politics are so toxic? She should be taken seriously, because to take her seriously would be to expose the worst of the worst on the Right. Misstatements about John Wayne are nothing that hasn't been equalled by Obama and Biden, really.

I've been as guilty of this as anybody, but I'm starting to dislike the culture of politics by mockery. The governmental issues at stake are way too serious.

This is a great post - felt compelled to quote the whole thing and bold my favourite part.
I think part of the answer is an ugly truth; people like mocking the intelligence of their political rivals. Also, lowest common denominator insults have greater resonance - kinda like how campaigns have to be simplified to a few words (or even just one or two; Hope, Change).

We need to raise the level of political discourse in this country dramatically.

60 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:18:01am

My father in law was watching a news story about Bachmann last night and laughing his ass off...he's a republican. Still working on converting him to the dark side.

61 HAL2010  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:20:10am

God damnit.

Teh stoopid, it hurts.

And to think the GOP once used to be a party of intellectuals. Buckley is turning in his grave. What an absolute travesty.

62 makeitstop  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:20:19am

re: #59 Alexzander

We need to raise the level of political discourse in this country dramatically.

Who does? People like the ones who support Bachmann and Palin are editing Wikipedia to make their politicial faves appear less stupid.

Good luck getting them to raise the level of political discourse. Not gonna happen.

63 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:22:38am

re: #55 marjoriemoon

In my view, there is a sexism problem "dumb broad", but they also put it on themselves - Bachmann and Palin. No one's calling Hillary a dumb broad. They just call her a lezzie *sigh* Cuz smart wimmenz must be gay :(

It's one thing to be dumb. It's another to be deliberate ignorant. To me, every rwnj candidate except Romney and Huntsman ooze deliberate ignorance. I do think Bachmann is a true believer and Palin is mostly showbiz.

Must admit, I'm amused at all the rightwing sexism-chasers all of a sudden. Funny we never hear them screaming women they hate are "feminazis" anymore, now that Palin uses the term. /eyeroll

Fukn hypocrites.

64 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:22:49am

Wiki editors get frustrated:

#
# (cur | prev) 16:18, 28 June 2011 209.6.46.162 (talk) (82,962 bytes) (Please don't edit an historical article based on current events) (undo)

65 Lidane  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:22:51am

re: #61 HAL2010

And to think the GOP once used to be a party of intellectuals RINOs.

FTFY. Intellectuals hate America. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

66 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:23:14am

re: #57 makeitstop

Wouldn't that be Hillary Clinton?

Yep, was supposed to read first Repub woman, my error.

67 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:23:40am

re: #59 Alexzander

This is a great post - felt compelled to quote the whole thing and bold my favourite part.
I think part of the answer is an ugly truth; people like mocking the intelligence of their political rivals. Also, lowest common denominator insults have greater resonance - kinda like how campaigns have to be simplified to a few words (or even just one or two; Hope, Change).

We need to raise the level of political discourse in this country dramatically.

"We need a better class of prisoner politician"
--Gov Lester Maddox

68 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:23:42am

re: #46 000G

Oh, I see what you mean -- you're talking about the revision. I wanted to use the most current version.

69 HAL2010  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:25:05am

re: #65 Lidane

Them darn intellectuals, lamestream media types, with all their fancyshmancy gothcha questions, and things like facts and a thoughtful arguments.

Commies the lot of them!

70 Alexzander  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:26:01am

re: #69 HAL2010

Try the wingnut tags next time for extra special purple font.

71 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:26:23am

re: #56 Amory Blaine

Any and all criticism will be labelled sexism. It's pure genius.

Kind of. Except these are the same people who spent an entire generation denying its existence, before some time in August 2008.

Lol next thing we know, Newsweek not airbrushing a cover photo now counts as "sexism" and "humiliating" for women.

What a joke.

72 HAL2010  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:27:02am

re: #70 Alexzander

How does one "wingnut tag"?

God that sounds dirty ..

73 makeitstop  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:27:02am

re: #66 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yep, was supposed to read first Repub woman, my error.

I agree with you, then - and it chills me to the bone that this woman has a puncher's chance to be the GOP nominee.

74 Lidane  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:28:02am

re: #72 HAL2010

How does one "wingnut tag"?

God that sounds dirty ..

Just remove the spaces:

[ wingnut ] [ / wingnut ]

75 makeitstop  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:28:40am

re: #72 HAL2010

How does one "wingnut tag"?

God that sounds dirty ..

[ wingnut ]Your wingnut text[ /wingnut ]

Remove the spaces in the tags and you're in.

76 JeffM70  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:29:14am

I immediately checked Wikipedia's John Quincy Adams page, but didn't see any reference to him being a Founding Father. However it did say JQA died in the year 9012 at the age of 7244. That has since been corrected.

77 HAL2010  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:29:28am

re: #74 Lidane

Testing testing.

lamestream media commies!

78 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:29:58am

re: #63 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

It's one thing to be dumb. It's another to be deliberate ignorant. To me, every rwnj candidate except Romney and Huntsman ooze deliberate ignorance. I do think Bachmann is a true believer and Palin is mostly showbiz.

Must admit, I'm amused at all the rightwing sexism-chasers all of a sudden. Funny we never hear them screaming women they hate are "feminazis" anymore, now that Palin uses the term. /eyeroll

Fukn hypocrites.

Ahh Feminazis. Almost forgot that one!

Ludwig said yesterday that he thought Bachmann is more dangerous and thinking on that, he's right because she IS a true believer which is far scarier. And so are her fans. Inasmuch as they'll change the truth to conform with their new God(dess).

What kills me is all the BS that went around about Obama's degrees and how he was a moron regardless of his outstanding academic accomplishments. They convinced people of this. It's just shameful.

79 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:30:06am

re: #77 HAL2010

Testing testing.

Wow...that even sounded wingnutty.

80 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:32:10am

re: #73 makeitstop

I agree with you, then - and it chills me to the bone that this woman has a puncher's chance to be the GOP nominee.

Well, it's still really early. I've watched the news reports about her in the past couple months with interest, though. For a while there, I was thinking the press was mopping Sarah Palin into a corner, where she'd have to run due to expectation levels, though she would not be ready.

That remains to be seen, but I do wonder this about Bachmann, too. Who knows. It's like a spectator sport, meh.

81 HAL2010  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:32:30am

Right, I'm off!

Time for a run, laters!

82 yoshicastmaster  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:32:35am

hahahaha

still laughing at the "R-Mars" headline

83 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:33:02am

Looks like Romney's playing hard ball...

Mitt Romney’s Utah advisers are working to try to get the state’s Republican presidential primary moved up, from late June to earlier in the spring where it might play a bigger role in the nomination process.


If you think that's tough, you should see him when he's angry. He makes My Little Pony look like a Smurf.

84 JeffM70  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:33:39am

re: #46 000G

re: #46 000G

re: #46 000G

That's the joke edit I saw. I'm guessing that Adams dying at the age of 7244 in the distant year of 9012 isn't historically accurate, or futuristically accurate for that matter.

85 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:33:49am

re: #76 JeffM70

I immediately checked Wikipedia's John Quincy Adams page, but didn't see any reference to him being a Founding Father. However it did say JQA died in the year 9012 at the age of 7244. That has since been corrected.

hehe Don't know how old you are, but reminds me of the 2000 Year Old Man (old Mel Brooks skit).

86 justaminute  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:34:58am

John Quincy Adams, America's Founding Adolescent!

87 Locker  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:35:52am

ThinkProgress on the Wikipedia editing:

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

88 JeffM70  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:36:15am

re: #85 marjoriemoon

My parents hadn't even met then. :)

89 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:37:11am

As I posted in the last thread, according to "The Founders' Second Amendment" by Stephen P. Halbrook, an 8 year old JQ Adams was drilling with the militia in the run up to the battles at Lexington and Concord. His musket was longer than he was tall.

Perhaps Founding Son would suit better?

90 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:37:24am

re: #87 Locker

ThinkProgress on the Wikipedia editing:

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

Heh....“Please don’t edit an historical article based on current events.”

91 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:38:06am

re: #88 JeffM70

My parents hadn't even met then. :)

My parents quoted it :p

92 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:38:43am

Blue-eyed Bachman bores me more than does Palin. And that is a difficult thing to do.

93 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:39:58am

re: #89 wlewisiii

As I posted in the last thread, according to "The Founders' Second Amendment" by Stephen P. Halbrook, an 8 year old JQ Adams was drilling with the militia in the run up to the battles at Lexington and Concord. His musket was longer than he was tall.

Perhaps Founding Son would suit better?

Founding Mascot.

94 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:40:21am

re: #89 wlewisiii

As I posted in the last thread, according to "The Founders' Second Amendment" by Stephen P. Halbrook, an 8 year old JQ Adams was drilling with the militia in the run up to the battles at Lexington and Concord. His musket was longer than he was tall.

Perhaps Founding Son would suit better?

Were they drilling in ANWR?

95 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:40:46am

Saying 'I made a mistake' or 'I goofed!' is a lot more endearing to John Q Public than is watching the train wreck of denial or justification of what everyone knows is absurd.

96 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:42:26am

re: #95 researchok

Saying 'I made a mistake' or 'I goofed!' is a lot more endearing to John Q Public than is watching the train wreck of denial or justification of what everyone knows is absurd.

but to them they make no mistakes, they create their own reality as evidenced by the attempt to edit the wikipedia entries. What their leaders say is Infallible to the point that questioning them leads to expulsion. They are, for all intents and purposes, a cult.

97 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:42:41am

re: #95 researchok

Saying 'I made a mistake' or 'I goofed!' is a lot more endearing to John Q Public than is watching the train wreck of denial or justification of what everyone knows is absurd.

Not everyone, she has a following. Where they expect she'll lead them is anyone's guess.

98 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:43:03am

Gotta love this Bachmann quote:

"Literally, if we took away the minimum wage—if conceivably it was gone—we could potentially virtually wipe out unemployment completely because we would be able to offer jobs at whatever level."

Yeah...if there was no minimum wage people would work for 25 cents an hour!

99 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:44:12am

re: #96 Dreggas

but to them they make no mistakes, they create their own reality as evidenced by the attempt to edit the wikipedia entries. What their leaders say is Infallible to the point that questioning them leads to expulsion. They are, for all intents and purposes, a cult.

You are right- they create their own reality in the mistaken belief they are the arbiters of credibility and reality be damned.

100 kirkspencer  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:44:23am

Yaknow, I keep saying there are only two questions: how big is the Tea Party and can it unify. I'm wrong, there's a third question.

If they are large enough and can unify, can the chosen Tea Party candidate keep from self-destructing over the campaign season?

I find myself in a bit of a fantasy land, whereby the TP is large enough and unified enough to get their candidate past the threshold of victory, then watching the nominee display enough craziness that the convention's motto becomes "My god, what have we done?"

101 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:44:53am

re: #98 darthstar

Gotta love this Bachmann quote:

"Literally, if we took away the minimum wage—if conceivably it was gone—we could potentially virtually wipe out unemployment completely because we would be able to offer jobs at whatever level."

Yeah...if there was no minimum wage people would work for 25 cents an hour!

IIRC, it is theoreticially impossible (or undesirable) to totally wipe-out unemployment.

102 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:45:14am

re: #97 ggt

Not everyone, she has a following. Where they expect she'll lead them is anyone's guess.

Exactly- they have a rabid following.

103 Summer Seale  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:45:18am

Hello everyone, Michele here...

...my great friend Sarah told me about this site and I wanted to come and say how much I support your support of me while I campaign in this momentous occasion to become the next President of the United States.

A lot of people have been commenting on my statement about the Founding Fathers, such as Teddy Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln, and Ronald Reagan, and I just would like to clarify that I actually am completely, one hundred percent, correct. You see, our great and wonderful country was made by those great men who gave us all a voice, and it's that voice which makes up America, which is the land of great voices from East to West and Up to Down, and because of that, those great men created the conditions for America to grow and prosper and represent the American Dream which is something which was obviously written about in our great Bill of Constitutional Rights.

Often, I come across people who ask me: Michele, when are you going to take back our voice, and so here I am, finally standing up for our country, the way that Joseph McCarthy stood up for it at the Battle of Gettysburg where he freed all those slaves and charged the machine gun nests with only a pistol to free our free speech and make us a better nation, under God. It's marvelous to see so many people coming out and supporting me because they know our history like I do and would want to see it back in our classrooms and in our hearts where it belongs.

I think that the time for pointing fingers belongs to us because we have seen Obama destroy our nation the way the Japanese did when they invaded our Pearl fisheries in the harbors and destroyed commercial fishing with their Communist ideals, and that was a very bad thing. But because we found our voice, our great founding fathers were able to defeat them and bring us back to glory. And it's important to remember, too, that George W. Bush was a Republican and led that charge even when he was just a boy because of his family history and his willingness to create jobs and help people to help themselves in the way that we always have.

I'm just so pleased that everyone is as excited as I am to tour this nation and create a new momentum in learning about our passionate history when all men were set free from slavery from the very start and where we can re-examine all our past and our laws to better serve the ideals of our foundation of this great country.

Thank you,

Michele Bachmann.

104 makeitstop  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:45:20am

re: #98 darthstar

Gotta love this Bachmann quote:

"Literally, if we took away the minimum wage—if conceivably it was gone—we could potentially virtually wipe out unemployment completely because we would be able to offer jobs at whatever level."

Yeah...if there was no minimum wage people would work for 25 cents an hour!

And she completely refused to acknowledge even saying it when Steph asked her about it.

She re-writes her own history while her devotees try to re-write the history of this country. That's pretty pathetic.

105 leftynyc  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:46:15am

re: #53 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

You stated:

At a certain point, the press, and the voting populace whether for or against Bachmann, is going to have to realize they are looking at a history-maker as the first female candidate who has a chance of getting a party nomination.

That was Hillary.

106 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:47:03am

I'd still like to see Palin and Bachman in a debate against Hillary or Condi.

107 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:47:07am

re: #103 Summer

Hello everyone, Michele here...

...my great friend Sarah told me about this site and I wanted to come and say how much I support your support of me while I campaign in this momentous occasion to become the next President of the United States.

A lot of people have been commenting on my statement about the Founding Fathers, such as Teddy Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln, and Ronald Reagan, and I just would like to clarify that I actually am completely, one hundred percent, correct. You see, our great and wonderful country was made by those great men who gave us all a voice, and it's that voice which makes up America, which is the land of great voices from East to West and Up to Down, and because of that, those great men created the conditions for America to grow and prosper and represent the American Dream which is something which was obviously written about in our great Bill of Constitutional Rights.

Often, I come across people who ask me: Michele, when are you going to take back our voice, and so here I am, finally standing up for our country, the way that Joseph McCarthy stood up for it at the Battle of Gettysburg where he freed all those slaves and charged the machine gun nests with only a pistol to free our free speech and make us a better nation, under God. It's marvelous to see so many people coming out and supporting me because they know our history like I do and would want to see it back in our classrooms and in our hearts where it belongs.

I think that the time for pointing fingers belongs to us because we have seen Obama destroy our nation the way the Japanese did when they invaded our Pearl fisheries in the harbors and destroyed commercial fishing with their Communist ideals, and that was a very bad thing. But because we found our voice, our great founding fathers were able to defeat them and bring us back to glory. And it's important to remember, too, that George W. Bush was a Republican and led that charge even when he was just a boy because of his family history and his willingness to create jobs and help people to help themselves in the way that we always have.

I'm just so pleased that everyone is as excited as I am to tour this nation and create a new momentum in learning about our passionate history when all men were set free from slavery from the very start and where we can re-examine all our past and our laws to better serve the ideals of our foundation of this great country.

Thank you,

Michele Bachmann.

Nice.

Do you have tenure?
//

108 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:47:13am

re: #86 justaminute

John Quincy Adams, America's Founding Adolescent!

subtitled "How Teenage Angst Started a Revolution"

109 makeitstop  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:47:48am

re: #105 leftynyc

You stated:

At a certain point, the press, and the voting populace whether for or against Bachmann, is going to have to realize they are looking at a history-maker as the first female candidate who has a chance of getting a party nomination.

That was Hillary.

Yeah we covered that in my #57.

110 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:48:05am

Anyone done any research on her "tax attorneying"?

Was she any good?

111 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:48:19am

re: #106 ggt

I'd still like to see Palin and Bachman in a debate against Hillary or Condi.

Neither Bachmann or Palin would stand a chance.

When it was over, they would all it a war crime or crime against humanity.

112 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:48:25am

re: #103 Summer

Do you have to go into a trance to do that? Or take pharmaceuticals? Is it Method Acting? What?

113 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:48:49am

re: #110 ggt

Anyone done any research on her "tax attorneying"?

Was she any good?

Actually, she was.

Smart does not preclude crazy.

114 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:48:55am

re: #86 justaminute

John Quincy Adams, America's Founding Adolescent!

"The King is a Punk!" - the tag heard round the world.

115 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:49:47am

re: #113 researchok

Actually, she was.

Smart does not preclude crazy.

A subject in which there is a clear right and wrong. She seems to be that kind of person.

116 leftynyc  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:49:52am

re: #109 makeitstop


Oops - I really should read through ALL comments. Sorry bout that.

117 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:50:36am

rewatched DOGMA with the kid last night.

It's still a wonderfully funny movie.

118 makeitstop  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:51:33am

re: #116 leftynyc

Oops - I really should read through ALL comments. Sorry bout that.

No worries.

I make it a point to read all the way through a thread before I post, but that's just me. :)

119 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:52:39am

Just perused the previous threads because I thought there would be some good pi-day puns.

I was disappointed.

120 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:54:11am

lol Summer is employed for at least another year! Woot Woot!

121 Summer Seale  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:54:19am

re: #112 wrenchwench

I was born blonde. It's easy to slip into that mode. I worked hard not to remain there for the rest of my life. =)

122 Hawaii69  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:54:24am

I'm telling you....Johnny Smith needs to shake this womans hand
to see how she's going to end the world..

Bachmann: "I have had a vision that I am going to be President of the United States someday. And nobody, and I mean *nobody* is going to stop me!"
........

Bachmann: "Put your hand on the scanning screen, and you'll go down in history with me!"

General: "As what? The world's greatest mass murderers?"

Bachmann: "You cowardly bastard!"

General: You're not the voice of the people!

Bachmann: "The people speak through me! It came to me while I slept--my destiny. I must get up now and fulfill my destiny! Put your god damn hand on that scanning screen, or I'll hack it off! Do it!"

General: May God forgive me. (He puts his hand on a fingerprint scan, authorizing a nuclear weapon launch).

Bachman: My destiny! (She pushes the button to launch a nuclear attack).

(Vice President rushes in): Madame President, we have a diplomatic solution!

Bachmann: "Mr. Vice President, Mr. Secretary, the missiles are flying......Hallelujah.......Hallelujah!"


(I'm not entirely kidding.....)

123 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:55:07am

re: #92 ggt

Blue-eyed Bachman bores me more than does Palin. And that is a difficult thing to do.

Seriously. At least Palin is somewhat fun. Bachmann is just...ugh. Cardboard personality.

124 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:55:59am

re: #115 ggt

A subject in which there is a clear right and wrong. She seems to be that kind of person.

Good observation

125 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:56:40am

Can I rant about this video in general?

Notice how the minute George mentions the "flake flap" that phony, shit-eating grin drops from her face. Gads, I hate this woman with the fire of a 1000 burning Palins.

And yet again, she dodges George's question with the total BS answer "Isn't our Constitution great that we could end slavery?" No Michelle, our Constitution sucks and slavery was a great thing. Is that what she expected George to say?

You know he wanted to ring her over the coals about Adams. He ended up letting it go. He almost had it. That's why the flake question pisses me off. There's plenty for her to sink her own ship.

126 makeitstop  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:56:46am

re: #123 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Seriously. At least Palin is somewhat fun. Bachmann is just...ugh. Cardboard personality.

But, but, but.... she's a serious person!

How pathetic is it that she's two days into her candidacy and she has to preface every interview by telling people how serious she is?

127 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:57:27am

re: #105 leftynyc

You stated:

At a certain point, the press, and the voting populace whether for or against Bachmann, is going to have to realize they are looking at a history-maker as the first female candidate who has a chance of getting a party nomination.

That was Hillary.

ABC, post #66.

128 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:57:31am

re: #123 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Seriously. At least Palin is somewhat fun. Bachmann is just...ugh. Cardboard personality.

I get the idea that Palin is a real person, a cheerleader, but a real person. A person that can "roll with the punches." Bachman is a Stepford-Wife. Someone who want's to be doing the punching. I think she is ripe for some "congntive-dissonace".

129 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:59:02am

re: #128 ggt

I get the idea that Palin is a real person, a cheerleader, but a real person. A person that can "roll with the punches." Bachman is a Stepford-Wife. Someone who want's to be doing the punching. I think she is ripe for some "congntive-dissonace".

I don't know. I didn't see Palin rolling with punches. She balked at every cross-eyed look thrown her way.

130 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:00:04pm

re: #129 marjoriemoon

I don't know. I didn't see Palin rolling with punches. She balked at every cross-eyed look thrown her way.

Her kid getting pregnant, her disabled baby, . . .

I think Michelle's head would explode if one of her daughters got pregnant "out-of-wedlock".

131 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:00:06pm

Speaking of airheaded women, Rick Santorum is getting some free press as well today (remember him? He's running for President!)

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

The Pines is the biggest for-profit residential treatment center in Virginia. During the past three years, it has also kicked up more abuse and neglect allegations than any other facility there, state records show, earning an unprecedented level of scrutiny from investigators with the state's licensing office and Office of Human Rights. The facility, which covers three campuses that span the tidewater region -- Brighton, Kempsville and Crawford -- has routinely faced state orders to correct itself, according to licensing records.

The Pines may be exceptional in terms of racking up state violations, but it also boasts a singular distinction: The board of the center's parent company, Universal Health Services, which bought The Pines in November, included former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.).

Kid goes in for mental treatment, comes out with herpes.

132 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:00:45pm

re: #126 makeitstop

But, but, but... she's a serious person!

How pathetic is it that she's two days into her candidacy and she has to preface every interview by telling people how serious she is?

Yeah, none of these people are getting off to that great a start.

Newt - Tiffany's

Paul - heroin

Huntsman - his own ppl can't get his name right

Pqwlenty - trying too hard

Cain - literally shucks and jives

Karger - too gay

That just leaves Mitt and Santorum and that's not much of a contest there.

133 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:01:18pm

I think Mitt will get the nomination.

134 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:03:05pm

re: #128 ggt

I get the idea that Palin is a real person, a cheerleader, but a real person. A person that can "roll with the punches." Bachman is a Stepford-Wife. Someone who want's to be doing the punching. I think she is ripe for some "congntive-dissonace".

Bachmann is missing the basic realization that she's nutty. Even Ron Paul is aware that most people haven't heard his brand of nuttiness before. He's aware that he's a little eccentric. Glenn Beck will often preface statements with" I know this sounds crazy but....". It's like Bachmann has been living in some secluded libertarian bubble with no contact with reality. I find it hard to believe she's unaware that people think she's a nut.

135 makeitstop  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:03:56pm

re: #129 marjoriemoon

I don't know. I didn't see Palin rolling with punches. She balked at every cross-eyed look thrown her way.

What Palin's got that Bachmann doesn't is a social-media bulldog in Rebecca Mansour. Mansour seems to enjoy picking fights as much as her boss.

What Bachmann's got that Palin hasn't is sheer, dogged determination to stay on message. I haven't seen anyone in the media who's been able to throw Bachmann off her talking points.

136 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:04:43pm

re: #133 ggt

I think Mitt will get the nomination.

I never ever thought I'd say something like this, but I hope for the R party's sake, he does. We really need 2 functioning parties.

137 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:05:00pm

re: #135 makeitstop

What Palin's got that Bachmann doesn't is a social-media bulldog in Rebecca Mansour. Mansour seems to enjoy picking fights as much as her boss.

What Bachmann's got that Palin hasn't is sheer, dogged determination to stay on message. I haven't seen anyone in the media who's been able to throw Bachmann off her talking points.

That's because there ARE NO OTHER talking points. In her world anyway.

138 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:05:18pm

re: #136 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I never ever thought I'd say something like this, but I hope for the R party's sake, he does. We really need 2 functioning parties.

yes, I know.

139 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:06:49pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

Bachmann is missing the basic realization that she's nutty. Even Ron Paul is aware that most people haven't heard his brand of nuttiness before. He's aware that he's a little eccentric. Glenn Beck will often preface statements with" I know this sounds crazy but...". It's like Bachmann has been living in some secluded libertarian bubble with no contact with reality. I find it hard to believe she's unaware that people think she's a nut.

According to the Rolling Stone article she has been living in a secluded bubble. And it's not a libertarian bubble, it's a whacky right wing strange mixture of American Mythology and Religion bubble.

140 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:06:59pm

re: #125 marjoriemoon

Notice how the minute George mentions the "flake flap" that phony, shit-eating grin drops from her face.

That was very revealing. Her feelings were obviously very hurt by that, and she's still upset days later!

141 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:07:44pm

re: #140 Charles

That was very revealing. Her feelings were obviously very hurt by that, and she's still upset days later!

Her vanity is so thick you would need a chain-saw to cut thru it.

142 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:08:00pm

re: #135 makeitstop

What Palin's got that Bachmann doesn't is a social-media bulldog in Rebecca Mansour. Mansour seems to enjoy picking fights as much as her boss.

What Bachmann's got that Palin hasn't is sheer, dogged determination to stay on message. I haven't seen anyone in the media who's been able to throw Bachmann off her talking points.

George almost had it in that video, but someone has to nail her to the wall. She's a flat out liar. She makes up facts to suit her agenda and someone needs to call her out on that.

143 shutdown  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:08:18pm

re: #141 ggt

How's your back?

144 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:08:34pm

re: #135 makeitstop

What Palin's got that Bachmann doesn't is a social-media bulldog in Rebecca Mansour. Mansour seems to enjoy picking fights as much as her boss.

What Bachmann's got that Palin hasn't is sheer, dogged determination to stay on message. I haven't seen anyone in the media who's been able to throw Bachmann off her talking points.

Yeah, that rigidity makes her brittle - moreso than the others imo.

Cain is in the same boat as Palin in that way. At least he has some personality. I can't think of anything else he has, but hey it's something. The only thing B has over those two is the experience, though her record is...mmm, dunno how well that will sit with the PUMAs. They are going to be a sad lot -- again -- in this election.

145 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:08:42pm

re: #141 ggt

Her vanity is so thick you would need a chain-saw to cut thru it.

Phony 'righteous indignation'.

146 makeitstop  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:09:01pm

re: #137 ggt

That's because there ARE NO OTHER talking points. In her world anyway.

Yep. Remeber the interview with Chris Matthews last year -IIRC, it was the one where she called for the media to investigate which members of Congress were 'anti-American?'

Near the end of the interview, Tweety asked her 'Are you hypnotized?' more than once. Give her her talking points and she's unshakeable.

Some journalist, somewhere along the line, will succeed in dragging her off message. I only hope there are cameras rolling when it happens, because it'll be gold.

147 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:09:09pm

re: #143 imp_62

How's your back?

sucks. don't want to take any vicodin until I have to go to bed. It messes with my equilibrium too much. Don't want to sleep all day either.

May have to.

148 Three Chord Monty  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:09:15pm

"But even as an embryo, John Quincy Adams could feel pain and was a Founding Father."

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

149 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:09:31pm

re: #143 imp_62

How's your back?

Thanks for askin'!

150 shutdown  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:10:22pm

re: #147 ggt

sucks. don't want to take any vicodin until I have to go to bed. It messes with my equilibrium too much. Don't want to sleep all day either.

May have to.

Are you post-surgery? Sounds awful. I won't make any suggestions because I'm sure you have tried everything.

151 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:10:27pm

re: #142 marjoriemoon

George almost had it in that video, but someone has to nail her to the wall. She's a flat out liar. She makes up facts to suit her agenda and someone needs to call her out on that.

Maybe she should apply for a job with Hamas.

OH YES I DID LOL

152 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:10:43pm

re: #146 makeitstop

Yep. Remeber the interview with Chris Matthews last year -IIRC, it was the one where she called for the media to investigate which members of Congress were 'anti-American?'

Near the end of the interview, Tweety asked her 'Are you hypnotized?' more than once. Give her her talking points and she's unshakeable.

Some journalist, somewhere along the line, will succeed in dragging her off message. I only hope there are cameras rolling when it happens, because it'll be gold.

If they keep attacking her vanity, it will happen.

153 shutdown  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:11:20pm

re: #148 Three Chord Monty

"But even as an embryo, John Quincy Adams could feel pain and was a Founding Father."

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I see you are a long-time listener, first time poster...
Welcome, and I really like your nic. Creative.

154 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:11:41pm

re: #150 imp_62

Are you post-surgery? Sounds awful. I won't make any suggestions because I'm sure you have tried everything.

On-going treatment --too lengthly an explanation is needed, so I won't go into it.

needless to say, I"m old and not put together right in the first place.

155 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:12:43pm

re: #139 ggt

According to the Rolling Stone article she has been living in a secluded bubble. And it's not a libertarian bubble, it's a whacky right wing strange mixture of American Mythology and Religion bubble.

That's it, exactly. It's a little uncanny watching her sometimes. I know that type of woman from that type of Christianity, and used to be one (well her earlier days, anyway. Not the WELS stuff, though I knew a WELS type, once. She was actually pretty normal.)

Never had the crazy eyes, though. Cripes at least I hope not.

156 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:13:09pm

re: #140 Charles

That was very revealing. Her feelings were obviously very hurt by that, and she's still upset days later!

Which is why i think she's not going to last long. At this point every reporter knows they can instantly generate publicity by asking her about being a flake or making her defend one of her flaky statements. It's too easy and she doesn't handle the heat well. Her campaign slogan is going to become "i'm not crazy, I'm serious!"

157 shutdown  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:14:06pm

Folks, check this page and if you have 5-7 minuts, take the survey. It is really interesting to see the statements that the contestants made in answer to a question about teaching evolution.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

158 Alexzander  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:14:31pm

From this mornings Democracy Now!, a segment on our lady of the day:


"A Perfect Product of the Religious Right": Deconstructing Michele Bachmann’s GOP Presidential Bid

The rising star of the Tea Party movement, Minnesota Congresswoman Michele Bachmann has launched her bid for the Republican 2012 presidential nomination. On the eve of her announcement, Bachmann was tied with Mitt Romney in the Des Moines Register’s Iowa poll, the first survey of voters who plan to attend the Republican caucuses. The former tax lawyer identifies as a conservative Christian and is a fierce opponent of abortion and gay marriage. Bachmann also supports teaching intelligent design in public schools, and she’s claimed that global warming is a hoax. She has largely built her campaign around accusing Obama of favoring government intervention, pushing the U.S. toward socialism, and having “anti-American views,” and is a particularly fierce critic of Obama’s healthcare overhaul. While Bachmann is known for advocating a limited government, she has recently come under scrutiny for allegedly accepting hundreds of thousands of dollars in agricultural subsidies for her family farm in Wisconsin. We are joined by journalist Karl Bremer, who has covered Michele Bachmann’s political career for the last decade from Stillwater, Minnesota, which is where the Bachmanns currently reside. We also speak with journalist Michelle Goldberg, author of the book "Kingdom Coming: The Rise of Christian Nationalism.”

159 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:15:14pm

re: #156 Killgore Trout

Which is why i think she's not going to last long. At this point every reporter knows they can instantly generate publicity by asking her about being a flake or making her defend one of her flaky statements. It's too easy and she doesn't handle the heat well. Her campaign slogan is going to become "i'm not crazy, I'm serious!"

The tea party finds the craziest people in the world and props them up.

160 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:15:38pm

re: #156 Killgore Trout

Which is why i think she's not going to last long. At this point every reporter knows they can instantly generate publicity by asking her about being a flake or making her defend one of her flaky statements. It's too easy and she doesn't handle the heat well. Her campaign slogan is going to become "i'm not crazy, I'm serious!"

A little telling isn't it. "I'm a serious person". How many pretty women have had to say that thru-out history. One shouldn't have to say it in 2011. Hillary or Condi certainly don't need to. Many, many other accomplished women wouldn't think of saying it.

161 Fred72  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:15:45pm

Just as we're going to see these stories regularly over the next few months as Bachmann continues to get in front of cameras, we're going to continue to see the same retort from her supporters:

"Yeah, but 57 states!!!11!!cos(0)"

...as if Obama were actually either (a) misinformed, or (b) trying to mislead. With Bachmann, it's usually (a) or (b), coming down scarily in favor of (b).

Makes me want to register yeahbut57states.com.

162 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:16:47pm

re: #140 Charles

That was very revealing. Her feelings were obviously very hurt by that, and she's still upset days later!

Palin had this problem by going after every bad word said to her. After Wallace apologized, she should have graciously accepted it and moved on. Maybe even laugh it off.

OTOH, I think it does play well with woman voters which is a sad commentary for our gender. She should be playing the victor, not the victim.

163 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:17:30pm

re: #140 Charles

That was very revealing. Her feelings were obviously very hurt by that, and she's still upset days later!

If she can't take a jab about that from journalists at this stage, how can anyone expect her to stand up to the likes of the Russians, Iranians, or the Chinese or the Pakistanis or whatever threats emerge in coming years?

Way too petty to stand scrutiny.

164 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:18:07pm

re: #158 Alexzander

from your link: http://www.rippleinstillwater.com/

165 shutdown  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:18:59pm

re: #159 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

It's funny you say that. I had a conversation about politics yesterday with a guy who claims never to have voted republican. He is well-educated (a pediatrician) and in his view, the Te Part is not run by crazy people. He thinks the whole ideology is a front to get the base voting a certain direction, and that the nominee will then run to the middle. He has failed to observe that the TP wants to break down the First Amendment, deny science, and are generally batshit about any number of topics. Which leads me to ask: Are we here simply over-sensitized?

166 makeitstop  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:20:05pm

re: #156 Killgore Trout

Her campaign slogan is going to become "i'm not crazy, I'm serious!"

It already is!

"I think that would be insulting to say something like that because I’m a serious person."

"I'm a substantive, serious person."

"One thing people know about me is I’m a substantive, serious person and I have a very strong background."

There's more where that came from. She'll be reiterating how serious she is until the day she drops out of the race.

167 kirkspencer  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:20:47pm

re: #160 ggt

A little telling isn't it. "I'm a serious person". How many pretty women have had to say that thru-out history. One shouldn't have to say it in 2011. Hillary or Condi certainly don't need to. Many, many other accomplished women wouldn't think of saying it.

Heck, Nikki Haley didn't say it, and she's in the same boat as Palin/Bachmann.

As authors say, show, don't tell.

168 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:21:02pm

re: #166 makeitstop

It already is!

"I think that would be insulting to say something like that because I’m a serious person."

"I'm a substantive, serious person."

"One thing people know about me is I’m a substantive, serious person and I have a very strong background."

There's more where that came from. She'll be reiterating how serious she is until the day she drops out of the race.

Will she drop out of the race with the statement "None of the liberal media took me seriously..."?

169 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:22:23pm

re: #160 ggt

A little telling isn't it. "I'm a serious person". How many pretty women have had to say that thru-out history. One shouldn't have to say it in 2011. Hillary or Condi certainly don't need to. Many, many other accomplished women wouldn't think of saying it.

Yeah but you would not catch Hillary or Condi repeatedly saying stupid, ahistorical crap over and over, either lol

And it's not just those two. I can't think of ANY woman -- heck, any PERSON -- except maybe William Jennings Bryan who makes a virtue out of ignorance like P and B.

170 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:22:25pm

re: #165 imp_62

It's funny you say that. I had a conversation about politics yesterday with a guy who claims never to have voted republican. He is well-educated (a pediatrician) and in his view, the Te Part is not run by crazy people. He thinks the whole ideology is a front to get the base voting a certain direction, and that the nominee will then run to the middle. He has failed to observe that the TP wants to break down the First Amendment, deny science, and are generally batshit about any number of topics. Which leads me to ask: Are we here simply over-sensitized?

The idea of the Tea Party, IIRC, was originally inspired by the Boston Tea Party of history. A rant against unfair taxes. Which, I think, most citizens can find one or more reasons to sympathize.

Somehow, it got highjacked or morphed into a bat-shit crazy group of unorganized people with gripes about anything and everything.

171 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:24:04pm
172 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:24:12pm

re: #50 Charles

No, it's the correct one. It has the edited text, including the "founding fathers" claim.

Let me explain: The diff link in your update compounds two different vandalisms into one (that's what's being expressed with the "2 intermediate revisions by 2 users not shown" in the difflink the update):

* this vandalism (the "founding fathers" claim) by the IP 128.200.11.106 was reverted by the IP 209.6.46.162.
* This revert by the User Matt1978 (the one that's the last edit in the diff link in your update) actually adresses this vandalism by the IP 71.222.97.22 (which is a different one than the "founding fathers" claim)

173 shutdown  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:24:52pm

re: #171 darthstar

Derp of the day.

174 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:25:52pm

re: #172 000G

Yes, I know -- see comment #68.

175 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:26:01pm

re: #68 Charles

Oh, I see what you mean -- you're talking about the revision. I wanted to use the most current version.

Ooops, overlooked this. Heh.

176 General Nimrod Bodfish  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:26:16pm
177 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:26:31pm

re: #174 Charles

Yes, I know -- see comment #68.

That's what I get for bypassing 100+ new replies. D'uh.

178 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:26:32pm

re: #167 kirkspencer

Heck, Nikki Haley didn't say it, and she's in the same boat as Palin/Bachmann.

You think so? I don't. Maybe I'm idealizing her, but she seems a lot more normal and less showbiz or fundo than the other two. Plus, the R party really shot themselves in the foot with their stupid behavior, e.g. calling her r#ghead, and that crap about having affairs.

After a while it just gets to be, what in eff will they come up with, next.

179 Alexzander  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:27:47pm

re: #171 darthstar

Heh...how not to keep firearms safe.
Image: 1309263518-spdoops.jpg

I was just reading about that here in Seattle.

180 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:29:07pm

At first, I thought Bachman's constant statements about her "seriousness" was an attempt to separate herself from Palin.

Now, I don't think so, so much. Too repetitive.

181 makeitstop  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:30:19pm

re: #180 ggt

At first, I thought Bachman's constant statements about her "seriousness" was an attempt to separate herself from Palin.

Now, I don't think so, so much. Too repetitive.

She's playing defense now. And I think the 'flake' question has rented a room in her head at this point.

182 mr.fusion  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:30:53pm

re: #173 imp_62

Derp of the day.

The day is young

183 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:31:29pm

re: #181 makeitstop

She's playing defense now. And I think the 'flake' question has rented a room in her head at this point.

Good, next someone should refer to her as Lawyer Barbie, or Senator Barbie. See how she does with that.

184 Ericus58  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:31:50pm

re: #176 commadore183

"A guest told the Associated Press that the attack began when many people were having dinner in the hotel's restaurant, and that he had heard gunfire throughout the building.

The security official told the BBC: "We think there are six suicide attackers who got inside the hotel."

"We are fighting a very organised group of suicide attackers."

The Taliban said they were behind the attack, AP reported."

This will be bad,
Shades of India....

185 celticdragon  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:32:15pm

re: #28 sunnygal

I'm a new poster but long-time lurker. I check this site before anything else when I log on each day to find out what current ridiculous tripe is being spewed by the right-wing nutters.

That said, it's easy to see why Bachmann won't debate the 16-year-old about history.

Her avoiding answering any actual questions is so obvious, how can anyone not see that she is making "pants on fire" statements? I guess if you are a religious nut, facts don't matter unless they conform to your beliefs.

Actually, being criticized for those mistakes feeds into the "left wing librul media attack dogs" meme that the right wing has been building for 30 years. Any attack from outside her bubble merely strengthens her grip on her followers who tend to self indentify with her and Palin because of cultural resentment.

186 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:33:08pm

re: #183 ggt

Good, next someone should refer to her as Lawyer Barbie, or Senator Barbie. See how she does with that.

I think I'll start calling her Saint Mary Michelle of the Holy Tax Law --or something like that.

187 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:33:15pm

re: #170 ggt

The idea of the Tea Party, IIRC, was originally inspired by the Boston Tea Party of history. A rant against unfair taxes. Which, I think, most citizens can find one or more reasons to sympathize.

Somehow, it got highjacked or morphed into a bat-shit crazy group of unorganized people with gripes about anything and everything.

True, in theory, but when was it ever about only that? These people have been spewing all kinds of crazy nonsense every since.

B is the PERFECT Teabagger candidate. Doesn't have a freakin clue what the Constitution says or who wrote it.

188 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:34:27pm

re: #165 imp_62

He has failed to observe that the TP wants to break down the First Amendment, deny science, and are generally batshit about any number of topics. Which leads me to ask: Are we here simply over-sensitized?

Hm, hard to say. Me, I'm just a current events addict. My own critique is that they are the people who never stopped fighting the busing wars, but I'm pretty sour on social conservatism, grumblings about nullification/secession/communism, etc., in general. I followed the tea party wars of the past couple years pretty closely and man have they been taken for a ride by Dick Armey, et al.

I mean, they hate "special interests", yet are reading off of Freedom Works/Dick-Armey-The-Lobbyist printouts, wtf.

189 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:34:30pm

re: #187 marjoriemoon

True, in theory, but when was it ever about only that? These people have been spewing all kinds of crazy nonsense every since.

B is the PERFECT Teabagger candidate. Doesn't have a freakin clue what the Constitution says or who wrote it.

Actually, I think in the beginning, there were some individuals who were seriously into the Tea Bag thing because of Taxes.

190 albusteve  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:34:34pm

Gaga Bachmann, all show and no go...hope and change of the GOP
therefore she is electable

191 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:35:28pm

re: #188 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Hm, hard to say. Me, I'm just a current events addict. My own critique is that they are the people who never stopped fighting the busing wars, but I'm pretty sour on social conservatism, grumblings about nullification/secession/communism, etc., in general. I followed the tea party wars of the past couple years pretty closely and man have they been taken for a ride by Dick Armey, et al.

I mean, they hate "special interests", yet are reading off of Freedom Works/Dick-Armey-The-Lobbyist printouts, wtf.

My husband says there is a group of professional protesters. They go from Furriers to Abortion Clinics to Nuclear Plants depending the time of year and the weather. Now, I think they are all working for the Tea Party.

192 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:35:44pm

re: #189 ggt

Actually, I think in the beginning, there were some individuals who were seriously into the Tea Bag thing because of Taxes.

Taxes and spending.

193 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:36:07pm

re: #181 makeitstop

She's playing defense now. And I think the 'flake' question has rented a room in her head at this point.

I think you're right about that. Can't say for sure, but she seems like the kind of person who really wants to be thought of as "formidable". Now she's about on the level of granola. That's gonna leave a mark.

194 celticdragon  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:36:10pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

Bachmann is missing the basic realization that she's nutty. Even Ron Paul is aware that most people haven't heard his brand of nuttiness before. He's aware that he's a little eccentric. Glenn Beck will often preface statements with" I know this sounds crazy but...". It's like Bachmann has been living in some secluded libertarian dystopic theocratic authoritarian bubble with no contact with reality. I find it hard to believe she's unaware that people think she's a nut.

There ya go.

195 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:37:02pm

re: #194 celticdragon

There ya go.

dystopic or utopic?

In their minds . . .

196 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:38:58pm

re: #187 marjoriemoon

B is the PERFECT Teabagger candidate. Doesn't have a freakin clue what the Constitution says or who wrote it.

The Lord wrote it through the Holy Founding Fathers. You can tell, because it is infallible and thus is not subject to change. Ever. /

197 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:38:59pm

re: #30 elizajane

we refuse to look at hard issues, we love spending our time nitpicking over minor historical bleeps like the details of Paul Rever's ride (did he really ring bells and warn the british?) or the fact that there are fifty-seven Muslim nations in the world - is that what Obama really meant?

198 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:39:28pm

re: #184 Ericus58

"A guest told the Associated Press that the attack began when many people were having dinner in the hotel's restaurant, and that he had heard gunfire throughout the building.

The security official told the BBC: "We think there are six suicide attackers who got inside the hotel."

"We are fighting a very organised group of suicide attackers."

The Taliban said they were behind the attack, AP reported."

This will be bad,
Shades of India...

My radio said 10 dead thus far.

199 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:40:32pm

re: #192 Cannadian Club Akbar

Taxes and spending.

Which is amusing considering that polling has showed that the average tea partier knows jack shit about taxes or spending.

200 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:40:36pm

re: #170 ggt

The idea of the Tea Party, IIRC, was originally inspired by the Boston Tea Party of history. A rant against unfair taxes. Which, I think, most citizens can find one or more reasons to sympathize.

Somehow, it got highjacked or morphed into a bat-shit crazy group of unorganized people with gripes about anything and everything.

That's the fantasy version of how the current tea party thing got going. Actually, Ron Paul started doing Tea Party rallies in 2007 or so, and the concept spread, with and without his help, into a libertarian movement disguised as a Republican movement, that still claims on occasion to have Democrats in it.

201 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:40:44pm

re: #191 ggt

My husband says there is a group of professional protesters. They go from Furriers to Abortion Clinics to Nuclear Plants depending the time of year and the weather. Now, I think they are all working for the Tea Party.

And when it all comes crashing down they can go on the dole as unemployed "professional protesters". Maybe they need to unionize in order to get better benefits from their paymasters.

202 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:40:51pm

re: #189 ggt

Actually, I think in the beginning, there were some individuals who were seriously into the Tea Bag thing because of Taxes.

That lasted about 3 seconds. Maybe I'm having selective memory, but they were always far right to me. I would argue that everyone wants a fair tax. Liberals aren't different from that, but liberals understand that people in poverty or who are struggling need welfare. They also completely forgot about welfare reform or were probably too stupid to even know about it. Before the recession and the money/time was increased to "entitlement programs" (I hate those words), 6 months was the average amount of time spent on welfare. Before Bush took office, many people were trained to do a skill and support themselves. The TBers are clueless.

No Universal Healthcare. Remember that? Oh and btw, git yer hands off my Medicare. Whateva.

203 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:41:15pm

re: #199 Varek Raith

Which is amusing considering that polling has showed that the average tea partier knows jack shit about taxes or spending.

I went to the very first one down here. Before it went bonkers.

204 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:41:46pm

re: #61 HAL2010

God damnit.

And to think the GOP once used to be a party of intellectuals. Buckley is turning in his grave. What an absolute travesty.

you nailed it. history is irrelevant, science is irrelevant. ideology and faith are the pillars of their edifice. an ideology and a faith that are wildly out of tune with any sort of objective reality or historical fact.

205 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:42:14pm

re: #202 marjoriemoon

That lasted about 3 seconds. Maybe I'm having selective memory, but they were always far right to me. I would argue that everyone wants a fair tax. Liberals aren't different from that, but liberals understand that people in poverty or who are struggling need welfare. They also completely forgot about welfare reform or were probably too stupid to even know about it. Before the recession and the money/time was increased to "entitlement programs" (I hate those words), 6 months was the average amount of time spent on welfare. Before Bush took office, many people were trained to do a skill and support themselves. The TBers are clueless.

No Universal Healthcare. Remember that? Oh and btw, git yer hands off my Medicare. Whateva.

Oh yeah, always far right. Which is probably why it went crazy real fast.

206 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:42:30pm

re: #196 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

The Lord wrote it through the Holy Founding Fathers. You can tell, because it is infallible and thus is not subject to change. Ever. /

Alexander Hamilton didn't get holey until Aaron Burr got done with him.

207 Political Atheist  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:43:07pm

re: #190 albusteve

Gaga Bachmann, all show and no go...hope and change of the GOP
therefore she is electable

I'd rather see Lady GaGa run for office than Michelle B.

208 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:43:24pm

President Obama going to Iowa to bask in Sarah Palin's shadow.

She has been noncommittal about whether she will seek the Republican presidential nomination. By coming to Iowa, which hosts the nation's first presidential caucuses, she likely will spark more speculation about her plans.

President Barack Obama is visiting eastern Iowa on Tuesday to discuss manufacturing and the economy.

209 Alexzander  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:44:11pm

re: #207 Rightwingconspirator

I'd rather see Lady GaGa run for office than Michelle B.

I might have thought so until a recent interview I caught while on an airplane. There is way too much fascist imagery going on in "Born This Way."

210 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:44:26pm

re: #101 ggt

IIRC, it is theoreticially impossible (or undesirable) to totally wipe-out unemployment.


Of course not, there are lazy underchievers in every society. The point is to go make them live in another neighborhood where your kids don't have to interact with them.

/

211 Ericus58  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:45:26pm

re: #198 Cannadian Club Akbar

My radio said 10 dead thus far.

This may actually be an attack on the gathering of the regional governors that are to hold a conference starting tomorrow.

212 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:45:30pm

re: #207 Rightwingconspirator

I'd rather see Lady GaGa run for office than Michelle B.

We have a woman dubbed Lawyer Gaga around here sitting in the front row of a trial that has made national news.

213 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:45:38pm

re: #205 ggt

Oh yeah, always far right. Which is probably why it went crazy real fast.

I sometimes wish a Dem candidate would say something like, we can cut spending considerably. Since the Republicans really hate "entitlement programs", than you don't get to participate. We'll give Medicare and welfare to registered Democrats only.

214 Mickey Blumental  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:46:31pm

I was going to joke about someone editing the Wikipedia page and then, boom. Already done.

The madness surrounding Bachmann and Palin, their ignorance and demented followers... They're really starting to freak me out a bit.

215 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:47:23pm

Ok, the time for fun has ended. BBL

216 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:47:35pm

re: #211 Ericus58

This may actually be an attack on the gathering of the regional governors that are to hold a conference starting tomorrow.

I guess I understand why they didn't wait until tomorrow. Security would be crazy, I'll assume.

217 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:47:48pm

re: #213 marjoriemoon

I sometimes wish a Dem candidate would say something like, we can cut spending considerably. Since the Republicans really hate "entitlement programs", than you don't get to participate. We'll give Medicare and welfare to registered Democrats only.

Well, considering it worked that way in "some" countries for some time, I don't think we want to to that imagery brought up.

218 HAL2010  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:47:49pm

re: #103 Summer

Hello everyone, Michele here...

...my great friend Sarah told me about this site and I wanted to come and say how much I support your support of me while I campaign in this momentous occasion to become the next President of the United States.

A lot of people have been commenting on my statement about the Founding Fathers, such as Teddy Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln, and Ronald Reagan, and I just would like to clarify that I actually am completely, one hundred percent, correct. You see, our great and wonderful country was made by those great men who gave us all a voice, and it's that voice which makes up America, which is the land of great voices from East to West and Up to Down, and because of that, those great men created the conditions for America to grow and prosper and represent the American Dream which is something which was obviously written about in our great Bill of Constitutional Rights.

Often, I come across people who ask me: Michele, when are you going to take back our voice, and so here I am, finally standing up for our country, the way that Joseph McCarthy stood up for it at the Battle of Gettysburg where he freed all those slaves and charged the machine gun nests with only a pistol to free our free speech and make us a better nation, under God. It's marvelous to see so many people coming out and supporting me because they know our history like I do and would want to see it back in our classrooms and in our hearts where it belongs.

I think that the time for pointing fingers belongs to us because we have seen Obama destroy our nation the way the Japanese did when they invaded our Pearl fisheries in the harbors and destroyed commercial fishing with their Communist ideals, and that was a very bad thing. But because we found our voice, our great founding fathers were able to defeat them and bring us back to glory. And it's important to remember, too, that George W. Bush was a Republican and led that charge even when he was just a boy because of his family history and his willingness to create jobs and help people to help themselves in the way that we always have.

I'm just so pleased that everyone is as excited as I am to tour this nation and create a new momentum in learning about our passionate history when all men were set free from slavery from the very start and where we can re-examine all our past and our laws to better serve the ideals of our foundation of this great country.

Thank you,

Michele Bachmann.

You, whoever you are, are a genius.

219 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:48:19pm

I like Gaga.

220 Ericus58  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:50:24pm

re: #216 Cannadian Club Akbar

I guess I understand why they didn't wait until tomorrow. Security would be crazy, I'll assume.

[Link: www.breakingnews.com...]

"Afghan provincial governors were at the Inter-Continental for a govt meeting tomorrow - NBC News"

"Rockets fired from hotel toward nearby Afghan official's residence - via Twitter"

221 Hawaii69  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:50:51pm

That was from the Dead Zone.....

222 Hawaii69  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:52:06pm

Stressful day at work.

I'm gonna stop at the liquore store on the way home and pick
up a 6-pack of John Quincy Adams....

223 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:52:28pm

re: #217 ggt

Well, considering it worked that way in "some" countries for some time, I don't think we want to to that imagery brought up.

It's just me in ranty mode.

224 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:52:50pm

re: #220 Ericus58

[Link: www.breakingnews.com...]

"Afghan provincial governors were at the Inter-Continental for a govt meeting tomorrow - NBC News"

"Rockets fired from hotel toward nearby Afghan official's residence - via Twitter"

Then this is Mumbai. (sp?)

225 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:52:55pm

re: #222 Hawaii69

Stressful day at work.

I'm gonna stop at the liquore store on the way home and pick
up a 6-pack of John Quincy Adams...

And watch a John Wayne Gacy movie?

226 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:53:07pm

re: #170 ggt

The idea of the Tea Party, IIRC, was originally inspired by the Boston Tea Party of history. A rant against unfair taxes. Which, I think, most citizens can find one or more reasons to sympathize.

there is another deeper, more sinister image: it is evoking a rebellion against a tyrannical, oppressive government that has to be overthrown - by force if necessary.

that is an image that is only partially hidden under those tri-cornered hats.

227 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:53:14pm

re: #222 Hawaii69

Stressful day at work.

I'm gonna stop at the liquore store on the way home and pick
up a 6-pack of John Quincy Adams...

lol Dang! I forgot he had his own brewery too!!

228 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:54:16pm

re: #225 darthstar

And watch a John Wayne Gacy movie?

Shakes the Clown is a good clown movie. Don't think Gacy wrote it.
//

229 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:54:51pm

re: #227 marjoriemoon

lol Dang! I forgot he had his own brewery too!!

I thought that was Sam?

230 Four More Tears  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:54:59pm

But calling her a flake would be wrong.

231 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:55:26pm

re: #229 Cannadian Club Akbar

I thought that was Sam?

Sam's my uncle!

232 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:56:28pm

re: #223 marjoriemoon

It's just me in ranty mode.

I know :)

233 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:56:46pm

Michelle is like Gamera in the sense that any missiles and bombs of criticism hurled at her just strengthen her resolve and enhance her notion that she is being victimized for whatever reason: because she is a woman, because she is a values-driven conservative, etc.

234 Ericus58  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:57:22pm

re: #224 Cannadian Club Akbar

Then this is Mumbai. (sp?)

In a sense, but this appears to be an attack directly against the government officials more than just citizens.

Summer Offensive, Taliban style.

235 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 12:58:51pm

re: #226 ralphieboy

there is another deeper, more sinister image: it is evoking a rebellion against a tyrannical, oppressive government that has to be overthrown - by force if necessary.

that is an image that is only partially hidden under those tri-cornered hats.

Yeah, unfortunately that is what makes this country unique and , in some ways, keeps the peace.

We have the right to armed rebellion.

I don't like the way it is used as a threat, in a very Pre-Civil War South kinda way. Those using it really don't get (most of them anyway) the image they create.

236 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:00:23pm

Orwell was a visionary..when I think about wingnuts and the GOP these days:

War is Peace

Ignorance is Strength

Freedom is Slavery

237 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:01:19pm

re: #236 eclectic infidel

Orwell was a visionary..when I think about wingnuts and the GOP these days:

War is Peace

Ignorance is Strength

Freedom is Slavery

I think my favorite Orwell essay.

238 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:01:39pm

Eric Cantor's glaring conflict of interest

Last year the Wall Street Journal reported that Cantor, the No. 2 Republican in the House, had between $1,000 and $15,000 invested in ProShares Trust Ultrashort 20+ Year Treasury EFT. The fund aggressively "shorts" long-term U.S. Treasury bonds, meaning that it performs well when U.S. debt is undesirable. (A short is when the trader hopes to profit from the decline in the value of an asset.)

According to his latest financial disclosure statement, which covers the year 2010 and has been publicly available since this spring, Cantor still has up to $15,000 in the same fund.

239 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:01:41pm

re: #235 ggt

Yeah, unfortunately that is what makes this country unique and , in some ways, keeps the peace.

We have the right to armed rebellion.

I don't like the way it is used as a threat, in a very Pre-Civil War South kinda way. Those using it really don't get (most of them anyway) the image they create.

If our government were tyrannical, then perhaps. But our government is democratically, legally and fairly elected. There have been glitches, there are massive imperfections in the system, but it is far, far, far removed from the sort of tyranny that would begin to justify use of force against it.

That is the point that the TP people like to overlook: the only government they see as legal is the one that they would agree with, the one that Grover Norquist said he wanted to "drown in a bathtub"

240 Hawaii69  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:02:04pm

re: #225 darthstar

And watch a John Wayne Gacy movie?

Yeah, it's the one where he plays a Minuteman at the Battle of Lexington & Concord New Hampshire....

241 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:02:52pm

re: #229 Cannadian Club Akbar

I thought that was Sam?

Hush you.

242 Kragar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:02:55pm

re: #230 JasonA

But calling her a flake would be wrong.

Can we say she is special?

243 Ericus58  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:03:22pm

Baby on board? Not in Malaysia Airlines' first-class section, CEO tweets
Los Angeles Times 06/28/2011
Author: Mary Forgione

"When asked by Twitter users to confirm his airline's first-class ban on infants, Azmil responded June 19 in separate tweets: "That's true. Has bn 4 a while now" and "Also hv many complaints from 1st class pax dat dey spend money on 1st class & can't sleep due to crying infants."

LOL.

244 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:03:41pm

re: #242 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Can we say she is special?


we can say that she is "serious", anything else is sexist and elitist. now go eat some brie.

/

245 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:03:45pm

re: #242 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Can we say she is special?

NO!

246 makeitstop  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:04:03pm

re: #238 Killgore Trout

Eric Cantor's glaring conflict of interest

What a weasel.

Someone should remind him of the oath he swore when he took office.

247 makeitstop  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:04:58pm

re: #242 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Can we say she is special?

S-WORD!!!!!11ty

248 [deleted]  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:05:14pm
249 Kragar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:06:07pm

re: #247 makeitstop

S-WORD!!!11ty

SCIMITAR!

250 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:06:17pm

re: #239 ralphieboy

If our government were tyrannical, then perhaps. But our government is democratically, legally and fairly elected. There have been glitches, there are massive imperfections in the system, but it is far, far, far removed from the sort of tyranny that would begin to justify use of force against it.

That is the point that the TP people like to overlook: the only government they see as legal is the one that they would agree with, the one that Grover Norquist said he wanted to "drown in a bathtub"

Ah yes, don't you get it? A government that forces the civil rights of others upon us is tyrannical. People shouldn't have to go to the same grocery store as people who don't look like them or worship like them, or want to inter-marry with anyone not like them. Children should not be taught about sex or differing lifestyles. Any idea a parent doesn't want in their head should not be put there by public schools. Parents don't pay their tax money for education that goes against their beliefs or morals.

Obviously, you don't understand tyranny.

/

251 Alexzander  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:06:31pm

re: #243 Ericus58

Baby on board? Not in Malaysia Airlines' first-class section, CEO tweets
Los Angeles Times 06/28/2011
Author: Mary Forgione

"When asked by Twitter users to confirm his airline's first-class ban on infants, Azmil responded June 19 in separate tweets: "That's true. Has bn 4 a while now" and "Also hv many complaints from 1st class pax dat dey spend money on 1st class & can't sleep due to crying infants."

LOL.

I can barely decipher that text but if I paid extra for first class and ended up next to a baby I'd be grumpy too.

That being said, Everythings Amazing and Nobodys Happy:

252 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:06:36pm

re: #249 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

SCIMITAR!


SCIMITAR BABY!

253 freetoken  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:07:01pm

Meanwhile, in OH:


Nation's Strictest Abortion Limit Clears House

A bill that would impose the strictest abortion limit in the nation has cleared the Ohio House.

The Republican led-House voted 54-43 to pass the bill. It now goes to the GOP-controlled Senate, where its prospects are uncertain.

The legislation would ban abortions after the first detectable fetal heartbeat, which can occur as early as six weeks into pregnancy.

[...]

254 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:08:33pm

re: #235 ggt

re: #239 ralphieboy

But our right to revolt against a tyrannical government is only the same as that of any human. If we revolt and win, we rule anew. If we revolt and fail, we die. The only difference is that we get a head start on small arms.

255 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:09:47pm

re: #250 ggt

I do, too: any government that is too big for Grover Norquist to drown in a bathtub is on its way to being tyrannical.

We should look to those nations founded on the principle of weak central government: Somalia or Afghanistan, for example. Those governments could be dcrowned in a in a teacup...

256 Alexzander  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:10:01pm

re: #254 Decatur Deb

re: #239 ralphieboy

But our right to revolt against a tyrannical government is only the same as that of any human. If we revolt and win, we rule anew. If we revolt and fail, we die. The only difference is that we get a head start on small arms.

Dont you know, you're talking about a revolution?

257 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:10:04pm

re: #251 Alexzander

Brilliant :)

I had a rotary princess phone, dontcha know.

258 Alexzander  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:11:17pm

re: #257 marjoriemoon

Brilliant :)

I had a rotary princess phone, dontcha know.

Yeah I've watched that brief interview with Louis CK at least 10 times when ever I feel like I need a reality check on my first world problems.

259 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:11:29pm

re: #257 marjoriemoon

Brilliant :)

I had a rotary princess phone, dontcha know.

I am so jealous!

260 Ericus58  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:11:50pm

re: #251 Alexzander

I can barely decipher that text but if I paid extra for first class and ended up next to a baby I'd be grumpy too.

That being said, Everythings Amazing and Nobodys Happy:

[Video]

LOL, great clip!

261 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:12:25pm

re: #253 freetoken

Meanwhile, in OH:

Nation's Strictest Abortion Limit Clears House

The legislation would ban abortions after the first detectable fetal heartbeat, which can occur as early as six weeks into pregnancy.

It still has a tail!

Image: 6_weeks_pregnant.png

262 Alexzander  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:12:33pm

re: #257 marjoriemoon

Brilliant :)

I had a rotary princess phone, dontcha know.

I grew up in a house with a rotary phone and I'm only 26. I think England was behind the times then.

263 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:12:39pm

re: #251 Alexzander

I can barely decipher that text but if I paid extra for first class and ended up next to a baby I'd be grumpy too.

That being said, Everythings Amazing and Nobodys Happy:

[Video]

Given that some of those flights are pretty long oversea jobs I might get grumpy too if a uncontrolled infant was sharing the seat row with me. My "Get eye contact while thinking of fresh meat" approach probably won't work for a very long flight.

264 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:13:07pm

re: #261 wrenchwench

It still has a tail!

Image: 6_weeks_pregnant.png

I wouldn't mind having a tail.

265 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:14:10pm

re: #262 Alexzander

I grew up in a house with a rotary phone and I'm only 26. I think England was behind the times then.

Wait until you get to play Pong!!!
///

266 Achilles Tang  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:14:18pm

re: #254 Decatur Deb

re: #239 ralphieboy

But our right to revolt against a tyrannical government is only the same as that of any human. If we revolt and win, we rule anew. If we revolt and fail, we die. The only difference is that we get a head start on small arms.

It is the use of the word "we" in this type of argument (not criticizing you) that is the deceptive part.

"We" are good, "they" are bad. Needless to say, "they" call themselves "we" also.

267 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:14:18pm

re: #259 ggt

I am so jealous!

They were cool huh?

268 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:15:44pm

re: #255 ralphieboy

I do, too: any government that is too big for Grover Norquist to drown in a bathtub is on its way to being tyrannical.

We should look to those nations founded on the principle of weak central government: Somalia or Afghanistan, for example. Those governments could be dcrowned in a in a teacup...

I know, I was just channeling TP mind-bent.

felt the need.

269 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:16:09pm

re: #266 Naso Tang

It is the use of the word "we" in this type of argument (not criticizing you) that is the deceptive part.

"We" are good, "they" are bad. Needless to say, "they" call themselves "we" also.

And the Queen is a "we" upon herself since she is a state of sovereignty.

270 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:16:27pm

re: #266 Naso Tang

It is the use of the word "we" in this type of argument (not criticizing you) that is the deceptive part.

"We" are good, "they" are bad. Needless to say, "they" call themselves "we" also.

"We" is not inherently either good or bad. The outcome of the revolution makes its short-to-mid-term morality. Then it falls to the historians.

271 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:16:33pm

a prehensile monkey tail, short haired.

272 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:17:48pm

re: #271 ggt

a prehensile monkey tail, short haired.

With or without the poison gland and stinger? Or would you prefer the option attachment for dispensing drinks?

:)

273 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:18:25pm

re: #262 Alexzander

I grew up in a house with a rotary phone and I'm only 26. I think England was behind the times then.

I have an old rotary phone from 1925. Still works. The handpiece is so heavy, it could be used as a lethal weapon. It also has a like a peak in it. Kinda comes to a point. The back of the handpiece is not flat so you can't cradle it on your shoulder. You HAVE to hold it.

Conversations couldn't have lasted more than a couple minutes. You'd have an arm like popeye.

274 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:19:27pm

bbiab

275 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:19:33pm

re: #273 marjoriemoon

is it not quaint that we still "dial" a number when nobody has used a phone with a dial on it for decades now?

276 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:19:43pm

re: #272 oaktree

With or without the poison gland and stinger? Or would you prefer the option attachment for dispensing drinks?

:)

stinger might be nice. But, I was thinking more as a "marital aid".

:)

277 calochortus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:21:15pm

re: #275 ralphieboy

is it not quaint that we still "dial" a number when nobody has used a phone with a dial on it for decades now?

I have a rotary dial phone that I still use. Even 20 years ago it mystified my kids' friends...

278 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:21:20pm

I gotta go rest the back again.

Have a great afternoon all!

279 Kragar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:21:47pm

re: #277 calochortus

I have a rotary dial phone that I still use. Even 20 years ago it mystified my kids' friends...

How do you text?
/

280 Alexzander  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:22:46pm

re: #278 ggt

I gotta go rest the back again.

Have a great afternoon all!

hey I'm really sorry for the stupid infinite loading prank yesterday btw.

281 Alexzander  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:23:28pm

re: #279 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How do you text?
/

By pigeon.

282 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:23:52pm

re: #275 ralphieboy

is it not quaint that we still "dial" a number when nobody has used a phone with a dial on it for decades now?

hehe I haven't used that phone for a long time. If I'm remembering, the mechanism inside was converted to tone dialing. You dial the rotary, "click click click".... "click click click" and then you hear "beep beep beep" as it tone dials. 30 minutes later, someone answers on the other end.

Oh, Louis CK forgot to mention if you got to the seventh number and misdialed. lol

283 calochortus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:24:09pm

re: #279 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How do you text?
/

It's really, really difficult... *snicker*

284 Achilles Tang  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:24:45pm

re: #270 Decatur Deb

"We" is not inherently either good or bad. The outcome of the revolution makes its short-to-mid-term morality. Then it falls to the historians.

Of course but, to stress my point, that type of phrase is one that fits all sizes and when used, like the Tea people do, means that one has already lost the ability to cooperate democratically.

It is reflected in Bachmann's statement that the sole purpose of the Republican party is to make sure President Obama is a one term president.

To hell with everything else.

285 What, me worry?  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:25:53pm

re: #275 ralphieboy

is it not quaint that we still "dial" a number when nobody has used a phone with a dial on it for decades now?

Jeopardy question for year 2130.

286 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:25:54pm

re: #200 wrenchwench

That's the fantasy version of how the current tea party thing got going. Actually, Ron Paul started doing Tea Party rallies in 2007 or so, and the concept spread, with and without his help, into a libertarian movement disguised as a Republican movement, that still claims on occasion to have Democrats in it.

And in certain areas (mine, for instance), people associated with this crazy bunch were in control of local tea party events. So . . . yeah, there is a fantasy version of the tea party; and then there's what really happened.

287 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:27:49pm

re: #275 ralphieboy

is it not quaint that we still "dial" a number when nobody has used a phone with a dial on it for decades now?

What's really quaint is that very few folks use their phone for actual, you know, phone conversations any more.

It's used for e-mail, text, weather reports, news reports, calendar, traffic reports, address book, game playing, and on and on and on.

I talked on my phone today for the first time in at least a week. But I somehow manage to run the battery out every day.

288 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:28:54pm

re: #284 Naso Tang

Of course but, to stress my point, that type of phrase is one that fits all sizes and when used, like the Tea people do, means that one has already lost the ability to cooperate democratically.

It is reflected in Bachmann's statement that the sole purpose of the Republican party is to make sure President Obama is a one term president.

To hell with everything else.

I'm talking about a far-hypothetical SHTF situation, in which a new TP government might be the host of an unbearable tyranny. I have a bunch of 2nd Amendment buddies here in AL. They understand that in some highly unlikely future we would be in facing trenches.

289 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:32:29pm

re: #286 reine.de.tout

And in certain areas (mine, for instance), people associated with this crazy bunch were in control of local tea party events. So . . . yeah, there is a fantasy version of the tea party; and then there's what really happened.

That's the party of the candidate that former governor Gary Johnson voted for for president in 2008, enabling the party to gain ballot access in New Mexico.

We still have some commenters here who think Gary Johnson for President is a good idea.

290 freetoken  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:38:06pm

I see that Expelled sold for $201,000 according to reports.

Did someone get a deal of a lifetime? Or, were they fleeced?

291 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:38:20pm

Once again, this question has to be asked regarding Michele Bachmann, given the physical similarity and level of sanity:

Separated at Birth?

292 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:41:05pm

re: #287 reine.de.tout

someone posted on FB the other day "Remember when we used to dial time and temperature?"

293 Alexzander  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:41:34pm

re: #289 wrenchwench

That's the party of the candidate that former governor Gary Johnson voted for for president in 2008, enabling the party to gain ballot access in New Mexico.

We still have some commenters here who think Gary Johnson for President is a good idea.

I'll bite; my brief exposure to Gary Johnson leads me to believe that he has more integrity and more interest in the American people than the rest of the republican field (ok so thats not saying much).

294 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:43:00pm

re: #293 Alexzander

I'll bite; my brief exposure to Gary Johnson leads me to believe that he has more integrity and more interest in the American people than the rest of the republican field (ok so thats not saying much).

The fact that he voted for Chuck Baldwin for president does not dissuade of that?

295 Ericus58  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:46:01pm

re: #292 ralphieboy

someone posted on FB the other day "Remember when we used to dial time and temperature?"

Like the scene in Doc Hollywood where M.J. Fox calls to hear the weather forecast from where he left his heart?
Endearing.

296 Alexzander  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:48:14pm

re: #294 wrenchwench

The fact that he voted for Chuck Baldwin for president does not dissuade of that?

I had to look Chuck Baldwin up.
From my 2 minute perusal, I'd say that while I disagree with him on several major issues, that he too appears to have some integrity. But he isn't really in the same vein as Johnson, who takes a cost-benfinit analysis/harm-reduction strategy to everything including social issues.

297 freetoken  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:49:55pm

re: #296 Alexzander

Baldwin is a dominionist racist nutter who is now hold up in Idaho awaiting the destruction of the godless society.

298 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 1:53:05pm

re: #296 Alexzander

I had to look Chuck Baldwin up.
From my 2 minute perusal, I'd say that while I disagree with him on several major issues, that he too appears to have some integrity. But he isn't really in the same vein as Johnson, who takes a cost-benfinit analysis/harm-reduction strategy to everything including social issues.

Chuck Baldwin is a fascist which makes Gary Johnson a fascist supporter. If Johnson had any integrity, why would he vote for someone who apparently cares not one whit for his ideals?

299 jvic  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 2:04:44pm

re: #294 wrenchwench

The fact that he voted for Chuck Baldwin for president does not dissuade of that?

IMO the number of incidents which, all by themselves, legitimately disqualify a candidate is far smaller than the number of disqualification claims.

300 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 2:13:54pm

re: #299 jvic

IMO the number of incidents which, all by themselves, legitimately disqualify a candidate is far smaller than the number of disqualification claims.

Does that mean you like Gary Johnson?

301 jvic  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 2:21:56pm

re: #300 wrenchwench

Does that mean you like Gary Johnson?

I voted for Obama. Draw whatever conclusions you wish from that, but, with respect, I just gave a strong hint that I don't like single-issue litmus tests. When they appeal to me as they do on occasion, I do my imperfect best to resist.

302 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 2:25:57pm

re: #301 jvic

I voted for Obama. Draw whatever conclusions you wish from that, but, with respect, I just gave a strong hint that I don't like single-issue litmus tests. When they appeal to me as they do on occasion, I do my imperfect best to resist.

I'm not going to choose my candidate for 2012 based on whether or not they voted for Chuck Baldwin in 2008, but I sure will eliminate any candidate who did.

Is that a 'litmus test'?

303 Girl with a Pearl Earring  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 2:37:20pm
304 Girl with a Pearl Earring  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 2:39:47pm

re: #303 Girl with a Pearl Earring

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Let's see: John Adams, Samuel Adams.....nope, John Quincey doesn't appear to be on the list (but it's a long one).

305 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:52:08pm

re: #23 Jeff In Ohio

It doesn't matter if JQ Adams was 10 0r 20 at the founding, he didn't work "tirelessly" for the end of slavery until after 1820.

That said, and to be fair, the Adamses were anti-slavery people, and I hold that to their great credit.

Which isn't at all the point, but still worth saying.

Also, JQ, IIRC, had a pet alligator for a while during his presidency.

306 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 4:58:50pm

re: #41 nines09

She contradicts herself every other time she opens her mouth. This is a crazy person. This is nuts. "Take back our nation. From whom?" answer "From the people all across the nation."
Koo Koo.

Actually, I think that pretty much sums up what she thinks.

307 Obdicut  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:03:28pm

re: #305 SanFranciscoZionist

Nah, there was just an alligator that followed him around, and he claimed it was a pet to avoid embarrassment.

308 ContinentalOp  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 5:57:21pm

Ben Franklin was against slavery, but he conciously set the issue aside because he thought this was necessary in order to get the USA and its Constitution up and running.

309 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:01:28pm

re: #308 ContinentalOp

Ben Franklin was against slavery, but he conciously set the issue aside because he thought this was necessary in order to get the USA and its Constitution up and running.

So can I put him in the "Not Working Tirelessly" column?

310 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 6:59:32pm

re: #243 Ericus58

Baby on board? Not in Malaysia Airlines' first-class section, CEO tweets
Los Angeles Times 06/28/2011
Author: Mary Forgione

"When asked by Twitter users to confirm his airline's first-class ban on infants, Azmil responded June 19 in separate tweets: "That's true. Has bn 4 a while now" and "Also hv many complaints from 1st class pax dat dey spend money on 1st class & can't sleep due to crying infants."

LOL.

That is an excellent reason to fly first, or business.

311 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 7:01:14pm

re: #302 wrenchwench

I'm not going to choose my candidate for 2012 based on whether or not they voted for Chuck Baldwin in 2008, but I sure will eliminate any candidate who did.

Is that a 'litmus test'?

Not really. Any person who would vote for that dumb conservative bigot is the one with the litmus test problem, I can guaran dang tee it.

312 drpangloss  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:20:51pm

and according to Barack Obama, he has campaigned in all of 57 states.

313 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 30, 2011 3:18:55pm

Another dead thread hero. Stars in his eyes.


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