Tom Petty Tells Michele Bachmann to Knock It Off

Petty isn’t pleased
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Tom Petty is sending Michele Bachmann a cease-and-desist letter, to stop her from using his songs in her campaign.

Tom Petty may be taking legal action to make sure Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann stops using his songs at her campaign events.

“NBC News: @TomPetty unhappy with Michele Bachmann’s use of ‘American Girl’ and in process of issuing [a cease and desist] letter,” Matt Ortega reported on Twitter only hours after hours after Bachmann used the popular song to kick off her campaign.

NBC’s Kelly O’Donnell confirmed that report Monday night.

“And details matter, and when Bachmann left the stage here, her campaign played the Tom Petty hit song, ‘American Girl,’” O’Donnell said. “Turns out Petty isn’t pleased. His manager says they will ask the Bachmann campaign not to use that song.”

Petty also issued a cease and desist letter to then-Governor George W. Bush for illegally using “I won’t back down” at his rallies.

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663 comments
1 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:41:36pm

Don't campaign round here no more.
Don't campaign round here no more.
These aren't the votes you're looking for...
Don't campaign round here no more.

2 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:42:47pm

You can't...use...my songs with the GOP
(can't use my songs with the G...O...P-eee-eee)

3 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:43:59pm

Tom Petty is so awesome, what a great musician he is...

:reads OP:

Fuck Tom Petty, his music sucks, and he's just ripping off The Beatles.
/angry wingnut

4 jaunte  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:44:03pm

"Well she grew up hard and she grew up fast
In the age of television
And she made a vow to have it all
It became her new religion"

--Tom Petty, All the Wrong Reasons

5 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:46:04pm

Saw Tom Petty when I was 18. My 2 step brothers were going and their car broke down. I gave them a ride, they bought me a scalped ticket. Row 11. They sat in the nose bleed seats. Heh.

6 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:47:23pm

bachmann needs to start smoking pot then take up new hobbies and maybe help out with greenpeace or something. it's not too late to fix her

7 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:48:38pm

There's a drastic shortage of conservative musicians. It's been a long running problem. Once conservatism appeals to people under 50 I suppose the problem will correct itself.

8 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:48:50pm

Newt's got a Tom Petty song too.

"Last chance for my campaign,
One more chance to let cash rain innn....
Just when support starts tricklin' in
Callista wants a vacationnnn..."

9 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:48:56pm

re: #6 SpaceJesus

bachmann needs to start smoking pot then take up new hobbies and maybe help out with greenpeace or something. it's not too late to fix her

If you get her fixed her she'll just switch to foster children.
//Wait, what?

10 jaunte  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:49:19pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

EricBoehlert tweets:

Aren't cons curious why there's only 1 platinum selling artist (Nugent) in history of R&R who doesn't object to being associated w/ them
11 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:50:11pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

There's a drastic shortage of conservative musicians. It's been a long running problem. Once conservatism appeals to people under 50 I suppose the problem will correct itself.

They've got Lee Greenwood and his drunken hymn (at least I only sing it when I'm drunk)...then there's Ted Nugent. They should be good with that.

12 blueraven  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:50:22pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

There's a drastic shortage of conservative musicians. It's been a long running problem. Once conservatism appeals to people under 50 I suppose the problem will correct itself.

She could go with Ted Nugent's, Cat Scratch Fever

13 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:51:23pm

Maybe she should reach out to Jackson Brown.....

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14 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:51:26pm

I figured she was playing, "Free Fallin'".

15 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:51:53pm

re: #11 darthstar

They've got Lee Greenwood and his drunken hymn (at least I only sing it when I'm drunk)...then there's Ted Nugent. They should be good with that.

Saw "W" give a speech in '04. Greenwood was there.

16 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:52:13pm

re: #14 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I figured she was playing, "Free Fallin'".

The only song she can actually sing is the DERP! Chorus.

17 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:52:22pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

Damn. Close. At least I used a Petty song.

I heart Tom Petty.

18 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:52:26pm

LOL, let's hope he gives her the David Byrne / Charlie Crist treatment:

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19 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:52:39pm

Look for the Bachmann campaign to use Ted Nugent's Need You Bad.

I'm still bummed out over finding out Nugent is an asshole.

At least he does good work with vets.

20 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:52:44pm

re: #14 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I figured she was playing, "Free Fallin'".

I think that's Newt's song.

21 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:53:37pm

re: #10 jaunte

EricBoehlert tweets:

Well, Twister Sister did let Arnold Schwarzenegger use "We're Not Gonna Take It (Anyone)" during his campaign to oust Grey Davis.

22 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:53:50pm

The Millionaire Waltz

Youtube Video
23 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:54:40pm

re: #19 researchok

Look for the Bachmann campaign to use Ted Nugent's Need You Bad.

I'm still bummed out over finding out Nugent is an asshole.

At least he does good work with vets.

Nugent's been an asshole for decades. He ran away from the draft by making himself look mentally unstable. He only kisses the veterans' asses because he wants them to buy tickets to his show and he knows most people aren't aware of his military service evasion. He's a leach.

24 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:54:48pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

There's a drastic shortage of conservative musicians. It's been a long running problem. Once conservatism appeals to people under 50 I suppose the problem will correct itself.

*looks for Pat Boone heavy metal music...*

25 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:55:07pm

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

Well, Twister Sister did let Arnold Schwarzenegger use "We're Not Gonna Take It (Anyone)" during his campaign to oust Grey Davis.

Their music sucked in the 80s.

26 ElCapitanAmerica  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:55:17pm

It's his right, but I've never been a fan of popular musicians doing this.

I actually think it plays right into the persecution concept by "liberal artists" that the far right likes to use to play the victim card.

27 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:55:42pm

re: #23 darthstar

Nugent's been an asshole for decades. He ran away from the draft by making himself look mentally unstable. He only kisses the veterans' asses because he wants them to buy tickets to his show and he knows most people aren't aware of his military service evasion. He's a leach.

I like the subtlety of your remarks.
//

28 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:56:06pm

re: #24 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

*looks for Pat Boone heavy metal music...*

Youtube Video
29 brandoncraig  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:56:16pm

I just wish someone in the GOP would have the guts to tell Michele Bachmann to "Don't Come Around Here No More."

Seriously, the Republican Party (of which I still consider myself one) needs to cleanse ourselves of the crazies and worry more about the independent voters than the tea party extremists.

30 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:56:20pm

re: #14 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I figured she was playing, "Free Fallin'".

Harry Potter was pretty good, by the way. I'm pissed they killed Dobby...I hope those fuckers pay in the last film.

31 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:56:37pm

I keep hoping Bachmann will implode. And I gotta tell you, The Waiting is the hardest part:

Youtube Video
32 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:56:58pm

re: #26 ElCapitanAmerica

It's his right, but I've never been a fan of popular musicians doing this.

I actually think it plays right into the persecution concept by "liberal artists" that the far right likes to use to play the victim card.

Not objecting implies an endorsement and in kind contribution to the campaign that's trampling their rights.

33 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:57:00pm

In Memoriam of the 2008 campaign...

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34 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:57:17pm

re: #24 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

*looks for Pat Boone heavy metal music...*

Youtube Video
35 BenghaziHoops  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:57:23pm

It should be illegal for anyone to use any Fleetwood Mac song for a Campaign for ever..

36 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:57:41pm

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

Well, Twister Sister did let Arnold Schwarzenegger use "We're Not Gonna Take It (Anyone)" during his campaign to oust Grey Davis.

Dee Schnider (sp?) is a Republican.

37 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:57:43pm

re: #28 Cannadian Club Akbar

[Video]

re: #34 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

[Video]

Damn!

38 Lidane  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:57:47pm

One of the first concerts I ever saw was Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers and Bob Dylan touring together. I was 13 years old. I've seen Tom Petty a few times since then, but it's been a while.

This doesn't surprise me. Musicians don't like it when politicians use their music without asking, and I can't imagine Petty being a raving wingnut like Bachmann.

39 brandoncraig  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:57:59pm

After she implodes, we can tell the Republican Party, "You Got Lucky."

40 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:58:19pm

re: #35 HoosierHoops

It should be illegal for anyone to use any Fleetwood Mac song for a Campaign for ever..

Agreed.

41 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:58:28pm

re: #30 darthstar

Told ya.

42 jaunte  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:58:32pm

I'd like to see a candidate go with some Warren Zevon.

Don't let us get sick
Don't let us get old
Don't let us get stupid, alright?
Just make us be brave, make us play nice
Let us be together tonight
Youtube Video
43 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:59:00pm

re: #27 researchok

I like the subtlety of your remarks.
//

I just wish Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and a few others would adopt my understated rhetorical style when appearing on Meet the Press or the evening news and talking about the obstruction they're facing. People might help them put a little pressure on the Boehners and Cantors of this world.

44 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:59:14pm

re: #35 HoosierHoops

It should be illegal for anyone to use any Fleetwood Mac song for a Campaign for ever..

That needs to be a constitutional amendment.

45 jaunte  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 8:59:55pm

re: #35 HoosierHoops

It should be illegal for anyone to use any Fleetwood Mac song for a Campaign for ever..

Tusk?

46 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:00:04pm

re: #39 brandoncraig

After she implodes, we can tell the Republican Party, "You Got Lucky."

I'm wondering if she will, in fact, implode. The GOP seems to think of her as a Palin replacement, all the glitz and glamor without any of those nagging things like an IQ or dignity.

47 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:00:22pm

re: #38 Lidane

How do you think Chrissie Hind feels with Limbaugh's use of her song?

48 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:00:29pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

There's a drastic shortage of conservative musicians. It's been a long running problem. Once conservatism appeals to people under 50 I suppose the problem will correct itself.

I guess "American Girl" isn't as wildly inappropriate to an upbeat GOP campaign as "Born In The USA", but it's not exactly...I dunno...

49 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:00:30pm

re: #45 jaunte

Tusk?

Awesome song.

50 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:01:04pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

I keep hoping Bachmann will implode. And I gotta tell you, The Waiting is the hardest part:

[Video]

It won't...she's running down a dream...

Youtube Video
51 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:01:07pm

re: #43 darthstar

I just wish Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and a few others would adopt my understated rhetorical style when appearing on Meet the Press or the evening news and talking about the obstruction they're facing. People might help them put a little pressure on the Boehners and Cantors of this world.

Bad Idea. That would only make Boehner dig in his heels rather than be humiliated and it would drive non-wingnut Republicans into the wingnuts' arms. Obama needs to cut a deal and you don't do that by bringing out the flamethrower.

52 Lidane  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:01:08pm

re: #46 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I'm wondering if she will, in fact, implode. The GOP seems to think of her as a Palin replacement, all the glitz and glamor without any of those nagging things like an IQ or dignity.

Are you implying that Palin has an IQ and/or dignity?

///

53 brandoncraig  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:01:32pm

I think she will eventually implode by saying something so stupid that the party elites realize they need to distance themselves from her ASAP.

54 blueraven  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:01:34pm

re: #26 ElCapitanAmerica

It's his right, but I've never been a fan of popular musicians doing this.

I actually think it plays right into the persecution concept by "liberal artists" that the far right likes to use to play the victim card.

Its copyright infringement. She cant just use his song to promote herself without permission, and he doesn't have to give it.

55 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:01:37pm

"They're Coming To Take Me Away" is available.

56 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:01:40pm

re: #35 HoosierHoops

It should be illegal for anyone to use any Fleetwood Mac song for a Campaign for ever..

It's been done...Clinton used it in 92 for his victory song.

57 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:01:46pm

re: #48 SanFranciscoZionist

I guess "American Girl" isn't as wildly inappropriate to an upbeat GOP campaign as "Born In The USA", but it's not exactly...I dunno...

Exactly, it was used as a subtle nod to the birthers.

58 Lidane  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:02:29pm

re: #47 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How do you think Chrissie Hind feels with Limbaugh's use of her song?

She's been cashing his checks for years, so I guess she's okay with it, even though she's a big time vegan and animal rights/PETA person.

59 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:02:36pm

re: #53 brandoncraig

I think she will eventually implode by saying something so stupid that the party elites realize they need to distance themselves from her ASAP.

She's running against a black guy. She could fellate a high school football team at a rally and the GOP would stand behind her.

60 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:02:41pm

re: #43 darthstar

I just wish Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and a few others would adopt my understated rhetorical style when appearing on Meet the Press or the evening news and talking about the obstruction they're facing. People might help them put a little pressure on the Boehners and Cantors of this world.

Well, I'm on to the right of you politically. That said, I.m pretty OK with Obama, I like the guy.

No so much Pelosi and Reid.

As for the GOP, I just can't get on board with the current crop of idiot candidates

I just can't.

61 Spocomptonite  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:03:30pm

Just out of comparative curiosity, not MBF purposes... have any Democratic candidates illegally used music without the permission of the artists? Because seriously, Republicans seem be pretty full of themselves using other people's music for their own benefit in public and thinking it's a-ok.

62 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:03:31pm

re: #46 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I'm wondering if she will, in fact, implode. The GOP seems to think of her as a Palin replacement, all the glitz and glamor without any of those nagging things like an IQ or dignity.

Bachmann isn't stupid. She was a successful tax attorney and you can't be successful at that job and be stupid. That's not to say she can't be willfully stupid, but Michelle Bachmann is not low-IQ stupid.

63 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:03:58pm

re: #58 Lidane

She's been cashing his checks for years, so I guess she's okay with it, even though she's a big time vegan and animal rights/PETA person.

For some reason I think he paid for that song in bulk. (years) I might be wrong. Charles would know more on the business stuff.

64 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:04:10pm

re: #52 Lidane

Are you implying that Palin has an IQ and/or dignity?

///

Nothing of the sort. Bachmann seems to be basically everything that the GOP seemed to "love" about Palin: good-looking, chipper, and willing to belch out the far-right talking points without a sour look on her face. And, to round out the package, she comes without the baggage of being a half-governor or spending the past 2 years cashing in on her name.

65 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:04:21pm

re: #39 brandoncraig

After she implodes, we can tell the Republican Party, American People "You Got Lucky."

FTFY

66 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:04:48pm

re: #60 researchok

Well, I'm on to the right of you politically.

Hell, Denis Kucinich is on the right of me politically.

67 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:04:53pm

re: #58 Lidane

IIRC she tried to stop him from using it. He pays her, so he gets to.

68 latitude51  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:05:10pm

re: #32 goddamnedfrank

Pretty much what I was about to say, only you said it a bit better.

69 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:05:12pm

re: #62 Dark_Falcon

Bachmann isn't stupid. She was a successful tax attorney and you can't be successful at that job and be stupid. That's not to say she can't be willfully stupid, but Michelle Bachmann is not low-IQ stupid.

I wasn't suggesting stupidity so much as ignorance. One can be a genius and still have all of the common sense of a fruit fly. And Bachmann doesn't seem to reach even that lofty goal.

70 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:05:46pm

re: #62 Dark_Falcon

Bachmann isn't stupid. She was a successful tax attorney and you can't be successful at that job and be stupid. That's not to say she can't be willfully stupid, but Michelle Bachmann is not low-IQ stupid.

Smart doesn't mean you can't be crazy.

She has lots of crazy in her warehouse.

71 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:06:10pm

re: #66 darthstar

Hell, Denis Kucinich is on the right of me politically.

LOLOL

72 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:06:15pm

re: #30 darthstar

Harry Potter was pretty good, by the way. I'm pissed they killed Dobby...I hope those fuckers pay in the last film.

Thanks for the *SPOILER ALERT*, dick!

May a thousand, syphilitic waitresses spit in your every meal.
/

73 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:06:28pm

re: #62 Dark_Falcon

Bachmann isn't stupid. She was a successful tax attorney and you can't be successful at that job and be stupid. That's not to say she can't be willfully stupid, but Michelle Bachmann is not low-IQ stupid.

Oral.Roberts.University.Law.School - I'm going to keep repeating this until it sinks in. Passing the federal bar can't be that much of an accomplishment if Realtor Orly Taitz DDS Esquire managed it.

74 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:06:32pm

re: #69 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I wasn't suggesting stupidity so much as ignorance. One can be a genius and still have all of the common sense of a fruit fly. And Bachmann doesn't seem to reach even that lofty goal.

Not so much ignorance as arrogance. She thinks she already knows everything and does not have advisers who will remind her that she doesn't.

75 Lidane  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:07:00pm

OK. I'm blind. How the heck do you send PMs here? It's probably something obvious that I'm missing.

76 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:07:13pm

re: #67 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

IIRC she tried to stop him from using it. He pays her, so he gets to.

[Link: ask.metafilter.com...]

77 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:07:34pm

re: #70 researchok

Smart doesn't mean you can't be crazy.

She has lots of crazy in her warehouse.

That phrasing was... elegant...

78 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:07:41pm

re: #73 goddamnedfrank

Oral.Roberts.University.Law.School - I'm going to keep repeating this until it sinks in. Passing the federal bar can't be that much of an accomplishment if Realtor Orly Taitz DDS Esquire managed it.

Don't kid yourself.

It is a big deal.

79 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:08:16pm

re: #35 HoosierHoops

It should be illegal for anyone to use any Fleetwood Mac song for a Campaign for ever..

Well maybe one song. ;)

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80 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:08:25pm

re: #74 Dark_Falcon

Not so much ignorance as arrogance. She thinks she already knows everything and does not have advisers who will remind her that she doesn't.

Hence, like I said, a Palin retread. "I'm not wrong, I was technically right! And to prove so, I'll mangle American history even harder!"

81 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:08:31pm

re: #72 Slumbering Behemoth

Thanks for the *SPOILER ALERT*, dick!

May a thousand, syphilitic waitresses spit in your every meal.
/

I didn't tell you WHO killed Dobby. Or how. Or when. And believe me, when you see it, you'll know a minute before it happens - I did and I didn't even use a spell.

82 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:08:43pm

re: #73 goddamnedfrank

Oral.Roberts.University.Law.School - I'm going to keep repeating this until it sinks in. Passing the federal bar can't be that much of an accomplishment if Realtor Orly Taitz DDS Esquire managed it.

I agree with you, Frank, as far as that goes. But after passing the bar, she did do the work successful for a decade. That doesn't happen unless the person has the brains they need to understand the tax code and know how to work it to their client's advantage.

83 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:09:17pm

re: #70 researchok

Smart doesn't mean you can't be crazy.

She has lots of crazy in her warehouse.

Quite Concur.

84 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:09:38pm

re: #61 Spocomptonite

Just out of comparative curiosity, not MBF purposes... have any Democratic candidates illegally used music without the permission of the artists? Because seriously, Republicans seem be pretty full of themselves using other people's music for their own benefit in public and thinking it's a-ok.

My guess is that no one asks, but the musicians are more likely to be upset when it's a candidate they don't approve of, the music community being largely more on the liberal side.

I could be wrong.

85 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:10:19pm

re: #77 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That phrasing was... elegant...

I'll tell you something else.

I also believe in addition to be crazy, she is very manipulative and knows just how to milk her new TP cows for all their worth.

That's crazy like a fox part of her. She really is cold and calculating IMO.

Very different than Palin who (like it or not) really means well.

86 brandoncraig  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:11:14pm

A liberal should use a Charlie Daniels song or Hank Williams, Jr. song for a campaign and see how quick they get mad.

87 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:11:54pm

re: #74 Dark_Falcon

Not so much ignorance as arrogance. She thinks she already knows everything and does not have advisers who will remind her that she doesn't.

Spot on.

Narcissism- she is smart and can't abide being corrected.

88 Gus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:12:00pm

Can't say I'm a fan of either Petty or Bachmann. Although I'm sure hanging out with Petty might be a lot more fun.

89 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:12:11pm

re: #86 brandoncraig

A liberal should use a Charlie Daniels song or Hank Williams, Jr. song for a campaign and see how quick they get mad.

I got friends in low places?
/

90 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:12:50pm

Don't Do Me Like That

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91 Interesting Times  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:13:29pm

re: #75 Lidane

OK. I'm blind. How the heck do you send PMs here? It's probably something obvious that I'm missing.

The only "obvious" thing you're missing is that the feature doesn't exist :) (seriously, it doesn't. You'll need to ask whoever it is you want to contact privately to "blue their nic")

92 BenghaziHoops  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:13:36pm

re: #89 Cannadian Club Akbar

I got friends in low places?
/

A country boy can survive

93 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:13:37pm

Craziest damn thing. Went to the hotel bar tonight, they have a special, "We'll flip you for a drink". Heads they lose, tails you win.

Was there for two and half hours.

My bar-tab? 2.75

G'night knuckleheads.

94 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:13:39pm

The 7 Biggest Dick Moves in the History of Online Gaming

95 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:14:02pm

New from Randall (he of the famous Honey Badger vid):

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96 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:15:08pm

re: #86 brandoncraig

A liberal should use a Charlie Daniels song or Hank Williams, Jr. song for a campaign and see how quick they get mad.

Not sure how Hank the Second would respond.

Youtube Video

/and "roll smoke" ain't no euphemism for smoking cigars.

97 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:15:31pm

I love this Hank III song

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98 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:15:36pm

re: #86 brandoncraig

A liberal should use a Charlie Daniels song or Hank Williams, Jr. song for a campaign and see how quick they get mad.

Bocephus? He wouldn't give a shit. Charlie Daniels is pretty conservative though...he'd probably call for a cease and desist out of embarrassment.

I've been quoting country songs lately...and most of the people in my office don't catch the reference. I was telling a few people that I had a long way to go and a short time to get there, and only one said, "You should write a song about that"...then I got another manager based in Georgia to help me out and explained to my boss, "I was in a bind, cause I was way behind and I was looking for some workers to steal..." I thought that one was pretty good.

99 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:16:18pm

re: #88 Gus 802

Can't say I'm a fan of either Petty or Bachmann. Although I'm sure hanging out with Petty might be a lot more fun.

I'd rather hang out with this band.

100 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:16:34pm

re: #81 darthstar

I didn't tell you WHO killed Dobby. Or how. Or when. And believe me, when you see it, you'll know a minute before it happens - I did and I didn't even use a spell.

Not. Good. Enough.

I'm coming to your house and pissing in your Wheaties for the next month.

101 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:16:40pm

re: #98 darthstar

Bocephus? He wouldn't give a shit. Charlie Daniels is pretty conservative though...he'd probably call for a cease and desist out of embarrassment.

I've been quoting country songs lately...and most of the people in my office don't catch the reference. I was telling a few people that I had a long way to go and a short time to get there, and only one said, "You should write a song about that"...then I got another manager based in Georgia to help me out and explained to my boss, "I was in a bind, cause I was way behind and I was looking for some workers to steal..." I thought that one was pretty good.

OK, even I get that one...

102 Gus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:17:44pm

re: #99 researchok

I'd rather hang out with this band.

It's all about the music!

//

103 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:18:09pm

re: #100 Slumbering Behemoth

Not. Good. Enough.

I'm coming to your house and pissing in your Wheaties for the next month.

Note to self. Go buy some wheaties ( I don't eat breakfast normally)

104 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:18:10pm

re: #102 Gus 802

It's all about the music!

//

Like Playboy and the articles.

105 Gus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:18:46pm

re: #104 researchok

Like Playboy and the articles.

Science!

//

106 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:19:23pm

re: #97 Amory Blaine

I love this Hank III song

[Video]

okay...that calls for a similar song...this is one of my favorites these days...

Youtube Video
107 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:19:46pm

re: #103 darthstar

Note to self. Go buy some wheaties ( I don't eat breakfast normally)

So, you eat breakfast abnormally?
/

108 Spocomptonite  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:19:50pm

re: #94 Varek Raith

This is why I don't play MMORPG.

109 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:20:51pm

re: #107 Cannadian Club Akbar

So, you eat breakfast abnormally?
/

When I do, I do so abnormally.

110 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:20:57pm

re: #101 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, even I get that one...

It's from "The Devil Went Down To Georgia".

Youtube Video
111 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:22:06pm

re: #108 Spocomptonite

This is why I don't play MMORPG.

The EVE ones were impressive though.

112 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:22:26pm

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

It's from "The Devil Went Down To Georgia".

[Video]

And I thought I was quoting this song...

Youtube Video
113 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:23:40pm

Alrighty. Getting late. See ya'll in the morning.

114 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:23:41pm

re: #112 darthstar

And I thought I was quoting this song...

[Video]

Or maybe it was this song...(I could've been a Pip)

Youtube Video
115 BenghaziHoops  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:23:51pm

Let's hope we never hear
We built this City by Starship

116 Lidane  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:24:15pm

re: #94 Varek Raith

The 7 Biggest Dick Moves in the History of Online Gaming

I love how two of them are from EVE. Those guys are just hilarious in their self-importance and nerd rage. Also, if you don't know EVE, the review from Zero Punctuation says a lot:

Youtube Video
117 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:24:30pm

re: #105 Gus 802

Science!

//

Try this for music appreciation.

Watch it all, if you can.

If not , start at the 2 min mark. Very educational.

118 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:25:50pm

re: #115 HoosierHoops

Let's hope we never hear
We built this City by Starship

The politician who tries that would be run out of town on a rail for playing a song that by definition sucks hosewater.

119 Gus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:26:06pm

re: #115 HoosierHoops

Let's hope we never hear
We built this City by Starship

Jefferson Airplane morphing into Jefferson Starship is almost as bad as Van Halen replacing David Lee Roth with Sammy Hagar. =)

120 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:26:31pm

re: #116 Lidane

I love how two of them are from EVE. Those guys are just hilarious in their self-importance and nerd rage. Also, if you don't know EVE, the review from Zero Punctuation says a lot:

[Video]

Lol, yep.
I played EVE for a bit a few years ago.

121 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:26:43pm

Why I like Classical Music.

122 Gus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:27:02pm

re: #117 researchok

Try this for music appreciation.

Watch it all, if you can.

If not , start at the 2 min mark. Very educational.

I'll have to take your word for it. Have only 5Gs per month on this stupid wireless. Videos will eat that up in no time.

123 brandoncraig  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:27:56pm

The early Jefferson Starship wasn't too bad although not as good as the Airplane. But by the time they "evolved" into just Starship, they sucked big time.

124 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:29:00pm

So...soon the Freepers will call for a boycott of all of Tom Petty's music?

125 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:31:43pm

re: #124 eclectic infidel

So...soon the Freepers will call for a boycott of all of Tom Petty's music?

Soon the Freepers will boycott any artists who performed songs after 1972.

126 Lidane  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:32:27pm

re: #120 Varek Raith

Lol, yep.
I played EVE for a bit a few years ago.

Never could get into EVE. I downloaded the trial and lasted a couple of hours. Not my taste in games.

127 brandoncraig  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:33:02pm

I can't imagine the Freepers would like a lot of the rock music from 1967-1969.

128 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:33:35pm

re: #123 brandoncraig

The early Jefferson Starship wasn't too bad although not as good as the Airplane. But by the time they "evolved" into just Starship, they sucked big time.

You wouldn't say that if you knew how hard it was for Starship to build this city on rock-n-roll. (no, I won't link the video - no matter how much you beg).

129 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:33:47pm

re: #126 Lidane

Never could get into EVE. I downloaded the trial and lasted a couple of hours. Not my taste in games.

I was a Troll Pirate. Just messed with other players.
It was fun for about a month.

130 freetoken  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:34:03pm

Meanwhile, back in Kansas:


Kansas blocks abortion clinic licenses

No Kansas abortion clinic has met the state’s new licensing rules, raising the prospect that by Friday, Kansas will be the only state where women cannot get an abortion.

On Tuesday, the Kansas Department of Health and Environment said the clinics inspected so far hadn’t met the new standards approved by the Legislature earlier this year.

Kansas has only three abortion clinics, all in the Kansas City area.

[...]

131 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:34:11pm

re: #127 brandoncraig

I can't imagine the Freepers would like a lot of the rock music from 1967-1969.

So they're stuck with the Lovin' Spoonful and Three Dog Night?

132 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:34:42pm

re: #130 freetoken

Meanwhile, back in Kansas:

Kansas blocks abortion clinic licenses

But they have no problem with puppy mills.

133 freetoken  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:35:39pm

re: #132 darthstar

But they have no problem with puppy mills.

Ah... but puppies don't have souls...

134 BenghaziHoops  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:36:33pm

re: #123 brandoncraig

The early Jefferson Starship wasn't too bad although not as good as the Airplane. But by the time they "evolved" into just Starship, they sucked big time.

It's just another Sunday, in a tired old street
Police have got the choke hold,ohhhhh and we just lost the beat

Who counts the money ,underneath the bar
Who rides the wrecking ball into our guitars
Don't tell us you need us, 'cause we're the ship of fools
Looking for America, crawling through your schools

Don't you remember ...

Marconi plays la bamba,
Listen to the radio -
Don't you remember?
We built this city,
We built this city on rock and roll
We built this city, we built this city on rock and roll
Built this city, we built this city on rock and roll
Built this city, we built this city on rock and roll
Built this city, we built this city on rock and roll

135 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:36:59pm

re: #99 researchok

I'd rather hang out with this band.

I might feel inclined to hang with the singer in this band...

Maybe.

Youtube Video

"But first I need to say I didn't really want, to sing in this stupid rock band.."

136 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:39:16pm

re: #134 HoosierHoops

SMACK!

137 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:39:56pm

re: #117 researchok

Try this for music appreciation.

Watch it all, if you can.

If not , start at the 2 min mark. Very educational.

I prefer something more in this vein.

Youtube Video
138 Spocomptonite  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:40:18pm

re: #111 Varek Raith

The EVE ones were impressive though.

Not impressive. AMAZING. Seriously, the assassination one could be a movie script.

139 dragonfire1981  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:40:47pm

re: #130 freetoken

Meanwhile, back in Kansas:

Kansas blocks abortion clinic licenses

Is it legal for a state to have no abortion clinics?

140 Gus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:41:42pm

re: #136 Dark_Falcon

SMACK!

Coming up next. Wayne Newton and the Bay City Rollers.

141 brandoncraig  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:42:36pm

What next The Osmonds and Robert Goulet?

142 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:42:49pm

re: #133 freetoken

Ah... but puppies don't have souls...

You haven't met my dogs.

143 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:43:48pm

re: #139 dragonfire1981

Is it legal for a state to have no abortion clinics?

Probably not as the state must provide all legal medical services.

144 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:46:18pm

re: #141 brandoncraig

You want musical abominations? I haz dem.

Youtube Video
145 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:46:42pm

re: #137 Slumbering Behemoth

I prefer something more in this vein.

[Video]

That'll work.

I'm broad minded about these things.

146 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:48:11pm

re: #139 dragonfire1981

Is it legal for a state to have no abortion clinics?

Likely, yes. They can always claim that they're just adhering to strict standards. Proving otherwise will be quite difficult.

147 Gus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:48:21pm

re: #141 brandoncraig

What next The Osmonds and Robert Goulet?

Tiny Tim and Merv Griffin.

148 BenghaziHoops  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:48:27pm

The best victory campaign song of all time

Youtube Video
149 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:48:43pm

re: #140 Gus 802

Coming up next. Wayne Newton and the Bay City Rollers.

Is it Saturday night already?

150 Gus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:50:26pm

Feelings...nothing more than feelings...

People, people who need people...

Send in the clowns...

Isn't it rich...

//

151 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:52:06pm

re: #150 Gus 802

Feelings...nothing more than feelings...

People, people who need people...

Send in the clowns...

Isn't it rich...

//

I will never, ever, upding you again.

Ever.
//

152 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:53:08pm

re: #147 Gus 802

Tiny Tim and Merv Griffin.

Barbra Mandrell and Cronos.

153 Gus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:53:13pm

re: #151 researchok

I will never, ever, upding you again.

Ever.
//

How about some Neil Sadaka?

Where's FBV? We can sing along to Barry Manilow tunes and get hammered!

//

154 freetoken  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:54:10pm

Sarah Palin, in Iowa, continues to demur

[...]

"It's a tough decision; it's a big decision to decide whether to run for office or not. I'm still contemplating," Palin said.

She brushed aside a comment her daughter Bristol made on a television news program in which she indicated that Palin had made a decision.

"Bristol is a smart and independent and strong young woman. Listen to her," Palin said. "I told Bristol, when I heard that, I said, 'Bristol, what we say on the fishing boat stays on the fishing boat!' "

[...]

If only the whole family would stay on the fishing boat...

155 Gus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:54:37pm

re: #152 Slumbering Behemoth

Barbra Mandrell and Cronos.

Darlene McBride- Take Back America

Youtube Video
156 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:54:54pm

re: #153 Gus 802

How about some Neil Sadaka?

Where's FBV? We can sing along to Barry Manilow tunes and get hammered!

//

Neil Sedaka....Having my baby...

No wonder you don't sleep at night.

157 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:56:31pm

Cracked open a bottle of Polish Slivovitz given to me by an old Polish friend of mine.

It's a sassy drink. So sassy.

158 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:56:48pm

Next up, Millie Vanillie...

159 Gus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:57:20pm

re: #158 researchok

Next up, Millie Vanillie...

Followed by Lady Gaga?

//Jumps into foxhole!

//

160 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:57:36pm

re: #157 Amory Blaine

Cracked open a bottle of Polish Slivovitz given to me by an old Polish friend of mine.

It's a sassy drink. So sassy.

That stuff will kick the shit out you.

161 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:58:03pm

re: #159 Gus 802

Followed by Lady Gaga?

//Jumps into foxhole!

//

The hole isn't deep enough.

162 darthstar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:58:42pm

re: #154 freetoken

Sarah Palin, in Iowa, continues to demur

If only the whole family would stay on the fishing boat...

Translation: Please stay interested in me. I'm not done making money off of my adoring fans yet.

I hope it comes back to bite her in the ass and she gets shut out of the media completely and cold turkey.

163 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:59:00pm

Alright, I'm outta here.

I'll pass on Olivia Newton John.

164 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:59:07pm

Hey Honcos, we got hatchlings?

How is everyone?

165 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:59:23pm

re: #154 freetoken

She's been drawing out expectations for her own financial gain, and has stretched it nearly to the point of pissing off her sycophants er... fan base.

I predict that she holds out until the "Shit or get off the pot" cry rings loud, and make some "My family needs me now, please keep buying my books" kind of excuse.

166 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 9:59:32pm

re: #164 ggt

Hey Honcos, we got hatchlings?

How is everyone?

We were just talking about you.
//

167 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:00:35pm

re: #164 ggt

Hey Honcos, we got hatchlings?

How is everyone?

You know I was kidding, right?

168 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:01:02pm

re: #155 Gus 802

Darlene McBride- Take Back America

[Video]

Damn, her hair is nearly as big as Bachmann's.
///

169 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:01:12pm

re: #167 researchok

You know I was kidding, right?

Oh come on, you know I'm special!

170 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:01:42pm

Just watched NINE with the kid.

More of an art film. Well done, great performances, but no real story.

171 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:02:02pm

re: #169 ggt

Oh come on, you know I'm special!

Too true.

But can you make a chocolate cake, a really good one?

172 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:02:37pm

re: #171 researchok

Too true.

But can you make a chocolate cake, a really good one?

No, but I can buy one.

I CAN make a great cuppa tho.

173 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:03:08pm

re: #170 ggt

Just watched NINE with the kid.

More of an art film. Well done, great performances, but no real story.

Did you put on a beret and smoke a Gauloises ?

174 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:03:30pm

Speaking of a cuppa, we got hatchlings? I need a fresh one.

175 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:03:47pm

re: #172 ggt

No, but I can buy one.

I CAN make a great cuppa tho.

OK, you're safe- for now.

176 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:03:54pm

re: #173 researchok

Did you put on a beret and smoke a Gauloises ?

No. I didn't even wear dark glasses.

177 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:04:53pm

re: #176 ggt

No. I didn't even wear dark glasses.

Did your mascara run, at least? I mean, it was an art film!

178 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:04:55pm

My back still hurts like shit, but is better than this morning.

I won't be here long. Have to take more pain meds and lay flat.

179 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:05:09pm

re: #177 researchok

Did your mascara run, at least? I mean, it was an art film!

No, I was mostly bored.

180 Gus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:06:15pm

re: #179 ggt

No, I was mostly bored.

Film noir puppet theater?

//

181 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:06:25pm

re: #179 ggt

No, I was mostly bored.

Sounds like the perfect art film.

I like the ones where the protagonist stares into the mirror for 20 minutes and then declares, "Life- what is it all about?"

182 Gus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:06:38pm

With lots of accordion music.

183 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:06:41pm

re: #180 Gus 802

Film noir puppet theater?

//

LOLOL

184 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:06:49pm

re: #180 Gus 802

Film noir puppet theater?

//

No appearances by Kukla, Fran or Kermit.

185 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:07:22pm

Sophia Loren was awesome! More beautiful than any of the others.

I am TOTALLY jealous.

186 Gus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:07:25pm

re: #183 researchok

LOLOL

In French and no subtitles.

//

187 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:08:09pm

re: #184 ggt

No appearances by Kukla, Fran or Kermit.

And Ollie.

His real name is Olivier. He's French.

188 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:08:20pm

re: #181 researchok

Sounds like the perfect art film.

I like the ones where the protagonist stares into the mirror for 20 minutes and then declares, "Life- what is it all about?"

Yes, exactly, but with music and Penelope Cruz and Fergie in very sexy musical scenes.

189 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:08:35pm

re: #187 researchok

And Ollie.

His real name is Olivier. He's French.

He wasn't there either.

190 Gus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:09:03pm

re: #187 researchok

And Ollie.

His real name is Olivier. He's French.

And he hates Americans!

//

191 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:09:12pm

re: #185 ggt

Sophia Loren was awesome! More beautiful than any of the others.

I am TOTALLY jealous.

Isabella Rosselini is my icon.

Though I don't look a bit like her.
//

192 brandoncraig  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:09:35pm

Leif Garrett and New Kids On The Block.

I challenge anyone to come up with something worse.

193 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:10:35pm

Justin Beiber, Jonas Brothers

194 Gus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:10:46pm

Crap. I smell a skunk. Have the garage door open.

195 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:11:04pm

re: #192 brandoncraig

Leif Garrett and New Kids On The Block.

I challenge anyone to come up with something worse.

nothing is worse than kenny g

196 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:11:05pm

re: #194 Gus 802

Crap. I smell a skunk. Have the garage door open.

Well, go close it.

197 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:11:16pm

re: #188 ggt

Yes, exactly, but with music and Penelope Cruz and Fergie in very sexy musical scenes.

That'll work.

OK, here's why I like little black dresses.

And classical music.

198 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:11:33pm

re: #192 brandoncraig

Lady Gaga and KISS.

/the costumes alone would melt your brain

199 Gus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:11:51pm

re: #196 ggt

Well, go close it.

I just yelled out "get" and stomped my foot a few times.

200 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:12:21pm

re: #153 Gus 802

How about some Neil Sadaka?

Where's FBV? We can sing along to Barry Manilow tunes and get hammered!

//

"This song makes me feel like I'm shopping for a training bra"

201 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:12:36pm

re: #199 Gus 802

I just yelled out "get" and stomped my foot a few times.

Might I suggest you not consider a second career in pest control.

202 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:12:54pm

Goodnight, all.

203 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:13:05pm

re: #197 researchok

That'll work.

OK, here's why I like little black dresses jumpsuits.

And classical music.

ftfy

204 austin_blue  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:13:35pm

re: #123 brandoncraig

The early Jefferson Starship wasn't too bad although not as good as the Airplane. But by the time they "evolved" into just Starship, they sucked big time.

There is this:

Youtube Video

Note Garcia's pedal steel.

205 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:13:40pm

re: #203 ggt

ftfy

That too

TY

206 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:15:00pm

Alright, I'm outta her for real this time.

As usual, Gus is in charge.

207 researchok  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:15:29pm

Night all.

ggt, feel better.

208 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:16:11pm

re: #207 researchok

Night all.

ggt, feel better.

Thanks! Sleep well.

209 Gus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:16:18pm

re: #201 researchok

Might I suggest you not consider a second career in pest control.

I'll leave that to Dale Gribble.

/

210 Gus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:16:43pm

re: #206 researchok

Alright, I'm outta her for real this time.

As usual, Gus is in charge.

I'm about ready to get horizontal too.

211 brandoncraig  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:16:43pm

Engineer Dog wins. Kenny G is about is bad as it gets. I'd probably rather hear Leif Garrett sing "I Was Made For Dancin" than anything Kenny did. At least Leif has kitsch value.

212 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:16:46pm

re: #198 Slumbering Behemoth

Lady Gaga and KISS.

/the costumes alone would melt your brain

gimmicks, that is all!

213 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:17:04pm

re: #210 Gus 802

I'm about ready to get horizontal too.

Who will be our leader?

214 Hawaii69  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:17:36pm

what is with these idiots thinking they can use someones song
in such a public way without getting permission, or paying royalties?

215 Gus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:17:47pm

re: #213 ggt

Who will be our leader?

Why you of course.

216 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:18:29pm

re: #195 engineer dog

nothing is worse than kenny g

QFMFT!

/Enya gets "Honorable Mention", though.

217 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:18:30pm

re: #215 Gus 802

Why you of course.

ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

218 Kragar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:19:03pm

re: #192 brandoncraig

Leif Garrett and New Kids On The Block.

I challenge anyone to come up with something worse.

Peter Frampton and the Bee Gees...

219 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:19:32pm

Most of the 80's music.

220 Gus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:20:38pm
MP3 Audio
221 Kragar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:20:49pm

re: #219 ggt

Most of the 80's music.

Pop music anyways. Metal ruled in the 80s.

222 Gus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:20:58pm

That would be Mambo Bacan as sung by Sophia Loren.

223 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:21:15pm

re: #206 researchok

Alright, I'm outta her for real this time.

As usual, Gus is in charge.

Gee, great.

It'll be all booze, and hookers, and no bullshit about paying for it in the afterlife.

If that's your idea of fun, I...

Wait. I forgot where I was going with that.

224 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:21:22pm

re: #222 Gus 802

That would be Mambo Bacan as sung by Sophia Loren.

Thought you were going to bed.

225 Gus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:21:41pm

re: #224 ggt

Thought you were going to bed.

Almost.

226 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:22:00pm

Speaking of Gaga.

I've been really liking this song. Good emotion anyway.

227 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:22:57pm

" This happened and we let it"

Youtube Video
228 Gus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:23:46pm

re: #223 Slumbering Behemoth

Gee, great.

It'll be all booze, and hookers, and no bullshit about paying for it in the afterlife.

If that's your idea of fun, I...

Wait. I forgot where I was going with that.

In my dreams.

229 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:24:02pm

Who knew Kate Hudson could dance and sing?

230 Kragar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:24:57pm

re: #227 Amory Blaine

" This happened and we let it"

[Video]

I present... THE 80'S!!!

Youtube Video
231 Hawaii69  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:25:27pm

re: #23 darthstar

Nugent's been an asshole for decades. He ran away from the draft by making himself look mentally unstable. He only kisses the veterans' asses because he wants them to buy tickets to his show and he knows most people aren't aware of his military service evasion. He's a leach.

Sounds like John Wayne....another ridiculous example of a right wing hero.
never want to war so he could make movies pretending he went to war.
then he packed all these conservative causes to make up for his guilt over it.
I mean, it's pathetic how he is worshipped. He wasn't a tough guy. He wasn't a hero. He just played one of the movies.

232 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:26:01pm

re: #219 ggt

Most of the 80's music.

Fuck. You.

/Oh, wait. You said "most". My bad. Point: GGT.

233 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:26:08pm

re: #231 Hawaii69

Sounds like John Wayne...another ridiculous example of a right wing hero.
never want to war so he could make movies pretending he went to war.
then he packed all these conservative causes to make up for his guilt over it.
I mean, it's pathetic how he is worshipped. He wasn't a tough guy. He wasn't a hero. He just played one of the movies.

I can't believe you would diss John Wayne.

234 Gus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:27:09pm

re: #233 ggt

I can't believe you would diss John Wayne.

John Wayne ate babies too!

//

235 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:27:22pm

re: #229 ggt

Who knew Kate Hudson could dance and sing?

a little chanelling of her mother in there too!

236 Kragar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:28:37pm

re: #232 Slumbering Behemoth

Fuck. You.

/Oh, wait. You said "most". My bad. Point: GGT.

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237 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:28:59pm

re: #229 ggt

I would. Without reservation.

238 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:29:59pm

re: #236 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

[Video]

Seen Billy Idol lately? He's become a caricature of himself.

239 BenghaziHoops  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:30:40pm

I liked John Wayne.. Great actor..I was surprised to find out he never served in the Military...( Did Tom Hanks?)
But the Duke was a Cowboy's Cowboy

240 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:31:34pm

re: #239 HoosierHoops

I liked John Wayne.. Great actor..I was surprised to find out he never served in the Military...( Did Tom Hanks?)
But the Duke was a Cowboy's Cowboy

Leave the current Tea Party out of it and remember John Wayne as he was. He isn't responsible for the mythology surrounding him by today's whackos.

241 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:32:07pm

I have to lay flat.

Have a great morning all!

242 Hawaii69  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:32:53pm

re: #73 goddamnedfrank

Oral.Roberts.University.Law.School - I'm going to keep repeating this until it sinks in. Passing the federal bar can't be that much of an accomplishment if Realtor Orly Taitz DDS Esquire managed it.


Only Taitz didn't manage it. Her correspondence school was not recognized by the
BAR. she was only licensed to practice law in the state of california.

243 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:34:20pm

re: #230 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I hate you. For that, I banish you to the Realm of Kajagoogoo.

244 Kragar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:36:48pm

re: #243 Slumbering Behemoth

I hate you. For that, I banish you to the Realm of Kajagoogoo.

YOU HAVE NO POWER OVER ME!

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245 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:38:13pm

re: #244 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ah ha! But I do!

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246 Kragar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:39:12pm

re: #245 Slumbering Behemoth

Ah ha! But I do!

[Video]

NEVAH!

Youtube Video
247 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:43:44pm

re: #246 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You will kneel. You will surrender. The Cheese will soon be too much to bare.

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248 Kragar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:44:36pm

re: #247 Slumbering Behemoth

You will kneel. You will surrender. The Cheese will soon be too much to bare.

[Video]

Your powers are growing weak.

Youtube Video
249 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:45:29pm

re: #233 ggt

I can't believe you would diss John Wayne.

John Wayne was a fag.

Youtube Video

/lots of guys like to watch their buddies fuck.

250 Four More Tears  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:46:11pm

Would you two stop for just a moment to consider all of the innocent bystanders?

251 Gus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:46:22pm

re: #239 HoosierHoops

I liked John Wayne.. Great actor..I was surprised to find out he never served in the Military...( Did Tom Hanks?)
But the Duke was a Cowboy's Cowboy

A lot of people have this hate thing going with John Wayne. Most of that comes from some of his comments during the Vietnam War. Ironically it sort of reminds me of the never ending hate on for Jane Fonda. There seems to be mythology of sorts that John Wayne is somehow a cause for modern wars because of his acting. Funny because as we all know it was LBJ that got us deep into the mud of Vietnam and not some actor. He authorized "Operation Rolling Thunder". JFK before him was also a believer in the Domino Theory not unlike the John Birch Society.

252 tnguitarist  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:47:08pm

I'll jump in....

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253 Kragar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:49:59pm

re: #252 tnguitarist

I'll jump in...

[Video]

Youtube Video

/still not as gay as Twilight

254 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:50:33pm

Image: hurr-durr-derp-face-teh-voices.jpeg

255 tnguitarist  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:51:34pm

Btw, what happened to Walter?

256 Gus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:52:00pm

re: #255 tnguitarist

Btw, what happened to Walter?

The dingo ate him.

257 tnguitarist  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:53:10pm

re: #256 Gus 802

The dingo ate him.

I thought they had a baby-only diet?

258 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:54:22pm

re: #248 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I am gravely dissapointed. Again you have made me unleash my dogs of war.

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259 tnguitarist  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:55:06pm

Guns blazing. Literally.

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260 Kragar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:56:10pm

re: #258 Slumbering Behemoth

I am gravely dissapointed. Again you have made me unleash my dogs of war.

[Video]

Is that the best you got?

Youtube Video
261 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:56:40pm

How to Stop a Thief
Image: howtostopathiefp1.gif

262 Gus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:57:14pm

re: #258 Slumbering Behemoth

I am gravely dissapointed. Again you have made me unleash my dogs of war.

[Video]

Weak sauce!

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263 Kragar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:58:00pm

re: #262 Gus 802

Weak sauce!

[Video]

Critical fumble!!! Already used. Hang your head in shame.

264 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:58:14pm

re: #258 Slumbering Behemoth

I am gravely dissapointed. Again you have made me unleash my dogs of war.

[Video]

Totally straight.

Youtube Video
265 Gus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:58:36pm

re: #263 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Critical fumble!!! Already used. Hang your head in shame.

Hey. I'm not opening these all up man.

Pass me the bong hippie.

//

266 Four More Tears  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:59:14pm

Okay, I am just way too embarrassed to post here anymore...

267 Kragar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 10:59:48pm

re: #264 Varek Raith

Totally straight.

[Video]

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268 Gus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:00:38pm

re: #266 JasonA

Okay, I am just way too embarrassed to post here anymore...

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269 Four More Tears  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:03:16pm

fyi, you're all pathetic.

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270 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:04:13pm

re: #260 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Gawd... Damnit...

How dare you go nuclear? Kryptonite nuclear, even.

You care nothing for civilians. I can't fight against such a cold hearted, remorseless foe.

Wait. Oh snap. Second wind, bitch!

Youtube Video
271 Kragar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:05:27pm

re: #270 Slumbering Behemoth

Gawd... Damnit...

How dare you go nuclear? Kryptonite nuclear, even.

You care nothing for civilians. I can't fight against such a cold hearted, remorseless foe.

Wait. Oh snap. Second wind, bitch!

[Video]

Second wind or last legs?

Youtube Video
272 Gus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:05:39pm

re: #270 Slumbering Behemoth

Gawd... Damnit...

How dare you go nuclear? Kryptonite nuclear, even.

You care nothing for civilians. I can't fight against such a cold hearted, remorseless foe.

Wait. Oh snap. Second wind, bitch!

[Video]

Youtube Video
273 Four More Tears  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:06:14pm

re: #270 Slumbering Behemoth

Gawd... Damnit...

How dare you go nuclear? Kryptonite nuclear, even.

You care nothing for civilians. I can't fight against such a cold hearted, remorseless foe.

Wait. Oh snap. Second wind, bitch!

[Video]

Nice try, but Job took it back.

Youtube Video


Stop trying to hit me and hit me!

274 Gus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:12:56pm

Any minute now they'll start posting Justin Bieber videos.

275 Kragar  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:14:29pm

re: #274 Gus 802

Any minute now they'll start posting Justin Bieber videos.

Don't you like her?

276 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:15:03pm

re: #274 Gus 802

Any minute now they'll start posting Justin Bieber videos.

Youtube Video
277 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:16:27pm

i don't care if he's just a beaver... it's not his fault...

278 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:16:44pm

You all sound like you need some Foot Foot

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279 Gus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:17:52pm

Hmm. This is pretty freaky...

[Link: yesboleh.blogspot.com...]

280 Four More Tears  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:21:40pm

re: #279 Gus 802

Hmm. This is pretty freaky...

[Link: yesboleh.blogspot.com...]

Thanks. I really didn't want to be able to sleep tonight anyway...

281 Gus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:22:47pm

re: #280 JasonA

Thanks. I really didn't want to be able to sleep tonight anyway...

My pleasure. Care for another one?

//

282 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:25:22pm

re: #279 Gus 802

Wow.

283 Four More Tears  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:25:33pm

re: #281 Gus 802

My pleasure. Care for another one?

//

Only if it comes with a bottle o' Jack.

284 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:25:43pm

re: #279 Gus 802

Hmm. This is pretty freaky...

[Link: yesboleh.blogspot.com...]



She died. For what!?!?! Good grief.

285 Gus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:31:48pm

re: #284 Varek Raith


She died. For what!?!?! Good grief.

Right. I think some people need brain surgery before they're even allowed to have plastic surgery. Of course this nut went ahead and performed a DIY on her face.

286 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:33:54pm

Oh my.
Image: asian-girl-sweet-1.jpg

287 Gus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:35:49pm

re: #286 Varek Raith

Oh my.
Image: asian-girl-sweet-1.jpg

Not loading.

288 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:36:50pm

re: #287 Gus 802

Not loading.

Damn.
How about a direct link?

289 freetoken  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:37:10pm

For all you base players and base fans out there, here's the latest vid from Japan's hot Youtube-based bassist:

Youtube Video
290 Gus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:37:46pm

re: #288 Varek Raith

Damn.
How about a direct link?

Works.

291 Gus  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:38:48pm

OK. Time to hit the ol' hay. Later.

292 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:42:09pm

re: #289 freetoken

For all you base players and base fans out there, here's the latest vid from Japan's hot Youtube-based bassist:

[Video]

Lol.

293 engineer cat  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:49:33pm

re: #289 freetoken

bikini dude?

294 laZardo  Tue, Jun 28, 2011 11:52:14pm
Petty also issued a cease and desist letter to then-Governor George W. Bush for illegally using “I won’t back down” at his rallies.

There are worse uses of that phrase that are legal.

295 engineer cat  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 12:02:30am

i think it's so unfair that everybody is piling on michelle bachmann right now


no i don't

296 Alexzander  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 12:06:36am

Any new hatchlings around this evening?

297 Alexzander  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 12:23:29am

Any late nighters on at all atm?
I guess I should probably be packing it in myself in a moment or two.

298 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 12:30:30am

I'm around.

Contemplating whether to try and avoid 80s trauma, or add more to it.

299 Hawaii69  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 12:33:30am

re: #233 ggt

I can't believe you would diss John Wayne.

Why not? Just an actor who was a hero in make pretend movie land
While other people his age were getting shot at for real.

His status as some kind of conservative icon is a joke.

300 laZardo  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 12:41:57am

re: #298 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I'm around.

Contemplating whether to try and avoid 80s trauma, or add more to it.

When it comes to 80s trauma...all I can say is "it gets better."

301 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 12:51:45am

re: #300 laZardo

When it comes to 80s trauma...all I can say is "it gets better."

But she never left...

302 freetoken  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 1:27:02am

re: #299 Hawaii69


His status as some kind of conservative icon is a joke.

He was in some ways very ideologically "conservative" in today's parlance, at least from his acting days onward. Wayne was also active in the Republican party.

303 boredtechindenver  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 1:27:52am

Load Torpedo tube 1.

Fire torpedo tube 1

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304 boredtechindenver  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 1:29:41am

Load Torpedo tube 2.

Fire torpedo tube 2.


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305 freetoken  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 1:29:56am

Gary Mulligan:

MP3 Audio
306 boredtechindenver  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 1:46:09am

Depth Charge.

Youtube Video
307 boredtechindenver  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 1:52:22am

The Lizard King, Live

Youtube Video

(a short cease fire for a good song)

308 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 1:58:04am

If Tom Petty did not want Michelle to use the song, he should not have written it to describe her so closely: she is an American Girl, raised on promises of small towns, picket fences, nickel cokes and hard-working families.

And oh yeah, all right, she can make it last all night because she is

AN AMERICAN GIRL!!!

309 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 2:24:12am

ten little Lizardians

310 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 2:24:33am

re: #306 boredtechindenver

Depth Charge.

[Video]

Saturation patrol

Youtube Video
311 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 2:26:51am

Ambush!

Youtube Video
312 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 2:30:12am

Run and gun...

Youtube Video
313 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 2:36:36am

re: #305 freetoken

Gary Mulligan:

[Video]

I'm kinda bent over for his gf

Youtube Video
314 freetoken  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 3:08:59am

Getz:

MP3 Audio
315 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 3:27:17am

Morning Honcos.

316 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 3:41:12am

re: #315 Cannadian Club Akbar

Back at ya

317 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 3:44:20am

re: #315 Cannadian Club Akbar

Morning Honcos.

We missed the 80s wars, looks like.

318 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 3:46:30am

ah yes, Iran and iraq at war for a decade, selling oil as quickly as they could pump it, while America was largely without any sort of major military involvement...

almost makes one nostalgic

319 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 3:47:05am

re: #317 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

We missed the 80s wars, looks like.

I was there for the real thing.:)

320 researchok  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 3:49:37am

Morning, all

321 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 3:51:43am

re: #318 ralphieboy

ah yes, Iran and iraq at war for a decade, selling oil as quickly as they could pump it, while America was largely without any sort of major military involvement...

almost makes one nostalgic

I miss chicks in Sasson jeans.

322 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 3:54:10am

re: #321 Cannadian Club Akbar

But we still got chicks in Daisy Dukes!!!

323 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 3:55:12am

re: #322 ralphieboy

But we still got chicks in Daisy Dukes!!!

True, but only half should actually be in them.:)

324 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:03:56am

Obama may be losing the faith of Jewish Democrats
[Link: www.politico.com...]


David Ainsman really began to get worried about President Barack Obama’s standing with his fellow Jewish Democrats when a recent dinner with his wife and two other couples — all Obama voters in 2008 — nearly turned into a screaming match.

Ainsman, a prominent Democratic lawyer and Pittsburgh Jewish community leader, was trying to explain that Obama had just been offering Israel a bit of “tough love” in his May 19 speech on the Arab Spring. His friends disagreed — to say the least.

One said he had the sense that Obama “took the opportunity to throw Israel under the bus.” Another, who swore he wasn’t getting his information from the mutually despised Fox News, admitted he’d lost faith in the president.

If several dozen interviews with POLITICO are any indication, a similar conversation is taking place in Jewish communities across the country. Obama’s speech last month seems to have crystallized the doubts many pro-Israel Democrats had about Obama in 2008 in a way that could, on the margins, cost the president votes and money in 2012 and will not be easy to repair.

If he's not careful he may only get 80% of the Jewish vote instead of the 85% he got last time.

325 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:04:00am

Mama Cass died today in 1974. And yet I still don't care.

326 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:04:46am

re: #325 Cannadian Club Akbar

Mama Cass died today in 1974. And yet I still don't care.

If Karen Carpenter had eaten Mama Cass' sandwich they'd both be alive today.

327 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:07:28am

re: #326 RogueOne

If Karen Carpenter had eaten Mama Cass' sandwich they'd both be alive today.

And if Kurt Cobain hadn't eaten a shotgun, he's still be here.

328 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:09:36am

Rep. Kucinich's Syria visit raises eyebrows
[Link: www.politico.com...]


Rep. Dennis Kucinich showed up in Syria this week and held a press conference in which he appeared to praise embattled Syrian President Bashar al-Assad - who is ruthlessly crushing opposition to his government - as “highly loved and appreciated by the Syrians.”

The Ohio Democrat released a statement on Tuesday saying that he had been misquoted by Syrian media.

If we ask nicely maybe they'll keep him.

329 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:09:54am

re: #324 RogueOne

Obama may be losing the faith of Jewish Democrats
[Link: www.politico.com...]


If he's not careful he may only get 80% of the Jewish vote instead of the 85% he got last time.


Yes, and his support among blacks and Latinos is threatening to dip below 90% as well...a serious development here.

330 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:11:09am

re: #329 ralphieboy

Yes, and his support among blacks and Latinos is threatening to dip below 90% as well...a serious development here.

Those numbers will fall as soon as us GOP'ers call them and make sure they vote on Super Wednesday.

331 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:11:13am

re: #327 Cannadian Club Akbar

And if Kurt Cobain hadn't eaten a shotgun, he's still be here.


a guitarist's joke:

What kind of strings did Curt Cobain use?

Last I heard, he was using a 12-gauge!

332 researchok  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:20:52am

re: #324 RogueOne

Obama may be losing the faith of Jewish Democrats
[Link: www.politico.com...]

If he's not careful he may only get 80% of the Jewish vote instead of the 85% he got last time.

Well, it isn't as if they will vote Republican

333 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:22:20am

re: #332 researchok

Well, it isn't as if they will vote Republican

I'll bet they vote for Pat Buchanan down in Palm Beach county again.
///

334 researchok  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:24:02am

re: #328 RogueOne

Rep. Kucinich's Syria visit raises eyebrows
[Link: www.politico.com...]

If we ask nicely maybe they'll keep him.

If they won't, maybe the ET's will come back for him

335 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:25:42am

Hey Rogue, is there a part three to the story you were posting about that guy in the custody battle falsely accused of attacking his ex?

336 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:26:50am

WTF? I tried to click on a site that I look at everyday and the page started to load, then another page popped up. Twice.

337 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:29:42am

re: #336 Cannadian Club Akbar

WTF? I tried to click on a site that I look at everyday and the page started to load, then another page popped up. Twice.

Guess they got hijacked. Doesn't matter. It's a kook site anyway. I just look there to keep up on the crazee.

338 researchok  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:30:02am

re: #335 iceweasel

Hey Rogue, is there a part three to the story you were posting about that guy in the custody battle falsely accused of attacking his ex?

Retard of the Day

Daly City father on trial for allegedly dropping toddler into a hot oven

A Daly City man is on trial this week on charges that he dropped his 17-month-old son into a hot oven while trying to teach the boy that it was dangerous.

339 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:30:06am

re: #335 iceweasel

Hey Rogue, is there a part three to the story you were posting about that guy in the custody battle falsely accused of attacking his ex?

No, just a two-parter. It even had a semi-happy ending.

340 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:30:40am

re: #332 researchok

Well, it isn't as if they will vote Republican

They could join the tea party, Rugelach and Tea in '12!

341 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:31:24am

re: #338 researchok

Retard of the Day

Daly City father on trial for allegedly dropping toddler into a hot oven

He's going to teach him to swim once he hits 24-mo by tossing him in the deep end of the pool.

342 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:32:42am

re: #341 RogueOne

He's going to teach him to swim once he hits 24-mo by tossing him in the deep end of the pool.

You should do that at 6 months. But the shallow end.

343 researchok  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:33:08am

One more:

Woman allegedly holds boyfriend hostage, tortures him over suspected infidelity

A Central California woman was behind bars Tuesday after allegedly holding her boyfriend hostage and torturing him because she believed he was cheating on her.

Deputies arrested Sabrina Renee Robinson, 33, on the morning of June 16 just outside Fresno as she hid in a bedroom inside a home that belongs to her boyfriend, whose name is being withheld by the Madera County Sheriff’s Department.

Moments before entering the home, deputies had found the boyfriend naked, beaten and hiding in bushes on the property.

Deputies have since pieced together what appears to be “a case of a woman scorned,” said Erica Stuart, a Sheriff’s Department spokeswoman. “Hell hath no fury.”

344 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:34:19am

re: #343 researchok

Moments before entering the home, deputies had found the boyfriend naked, beaten and hiding in bushes on the property.

HAhahahahaha-HA!

345 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:35:27am

re: #343 researchok

While brandishing the knife, Robinson told him “this is the same type of knife I skin deer with,” according to Stuart.

Robinson then threatened to gut him and dump his body on a nearby property. At some point during the evening, Robinson called the woman she believed to be the other girlfriend, who later told deputies that the victim’s screams could be heard in the background during the call.

Hell hath no fury is right!

346 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:36:06am

See, Indiana isn't all that bad:

Attorney General asks state Surpreme Court to review police powers ruling
[Link: www.courierpress.com...]


Indiana Attorney General Greg Zoeller is pushing the state Supreme Court to reconsider a decision that would take away Hoosiers' rights to resist police officers who enter their homes illegally.

The case that was the basis for the high court's May ruling originated in Vanderburgh County, where Richard Barnes pushed back when a police officer attempted to enter his home after a domestic dispute.

The court ruled that in Indiana, citizens have no right to resist police officers. But Zoeller and others said the ruling was too broad. That's the case Zoeller's office pressed in its briefing, filed after hours Monday.

Zoeller's office is not saying Barnes' conviction should be overturned, although his attorneys have also asked for a rehearing and they do want the decision reversed and his conviction vacated.

"The court should simply hold that reasonable resistance does not include battery or other violent acts against law enforcement," the attorney general's office argued.

"Prohibiting nonviolent resistance to illegal police conduct is unnecessary to protect the public or law enforcement."

347 researchok  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:36:37am

re: #344 RogueOne

HAhahahahaha-HA!

You know there's a cell phone video out there at the very lest.

Maybe even a dash cam video.

348 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:37:33am

re: #346 RogueOne

No abortions but we're going to be allowed to beat on the police. It could be worse I guess.

349 researchok  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:37:43am

re: #345 iceweasel

Hell hath no fury is right!

Yes, Ice...of course Ice, right away Ice, whatever you say, Ice...

350 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:39:38am

re: #349 researchok

Yes, Ice...of course Ice, right away Ice, whatever you say, Ice...

Heh. I vandalised an ex's car once, but I was a teenager.
You know that fake deer urine stuff hunters use? Well....

351 researchok  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:40:45am

re: #350 iceweasel

Heh. I vandalised an ex's car once, but I was a teenager.
You know that fake deer urine stuff hunters use? Well...

I am so glad you live across the pond now.
//

352 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:41:30am

re: #343 researchok

If that had happened to a woman, wouldn't be funny.

353 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:41:52am

re: #351 researchok

I am so glad you live across the pond now.
//

Love and hate are pretty much the same emotion. It took me a while to learn the opposite of love is indifference.

354 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:41:57am

re: #350 iceweasel

One of the nuts my brother dated painted "asshole" across his hood.

355 researchok  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:42:03am

Alrihy. I'm off for bit.

I'd have the perfect job if it weren't for clients.

356 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:42:04am

re: #350 iceweasel

Heh. I vandalised an ex's car once, but I was a teenager.
You know that fake deer urine stuff hunters use? Well...

If you say it ended up IN the car and not just ON the car.....

357 researchok  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:43:03am

re: #354 RogueOne

One of the nuts my brother dated painted "asshole" across his hood.

Your brother is an idiot magnet

358 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:43:05am

re: #352 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If that had happened to a woman, wouldn't be funny.

True but it was a man naked, beaten, and hiding in the bushes...that's why it's funny. Never date a woman who can beat you up.

359 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:43:36am

re: #356 Cannadian Club Akbar

If you say it ended up IN the car and not just ON the car...

In the car, In the car. In the heating vents, to be specific. Also some sardines under the carpets and in the wheel well.

360 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:43:49am

re: #357 researchok

Your brother is an idiot magnet

He hunts them out. The last one is still breaking into his house on a regular basis.

361 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:44:47am

re: #360 RogueOne

He hunts them out. The last one is still breaking into his house on a regular basis.

What does she do? Break or steal stuff? He needs a restraining order!

362 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:46:37am

re: #361 iceweasel

He has one on her. It's a very small town and all 6 cops know him and the women. Until one of them shoots him they aren't going to put a lot of effort into it. The last time she hid panties under his mattress and called his new girlfriend. The cops came, took the panties, and left.

363 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:47:56am

re: #362 RogueOne

He has one on her. It's a very small town and all 6 cops know him and the women. Until one of them shoots him they aren't going to put a lot of effort into it. The last time she hid panties under his mattress and called his new girlfriend. The cops came, took the panties, and left.

Yikes. I fear something bad is going to happen to him unless he starts dating a different kind of woman.

364 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:49:13am

re: #363 iceweasel

He likes the drama, he's an idiot. He's a good looking man in a small town, I think he likes the attention.

365 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:50:32am

re: #364 RogueOne

He likes the drama, he's an idiot. He's a good looking man in a small town, I think he likes the attention.

I used to carry a stick with me to keep all the women at bay. Just sayin'.
///

366 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:50:58am

re: #365 Cannadian Club Akbar

a little stick?

367 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:51:16am

What's everyone doing for the Fourth of July? That's always been my favourite holiday and I'm homesick. It'll probably rain here and Jimmah has to work. I'm figuring out what to make. Need dessert suggestions!

368 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:51:51am

re: #367 iceweasel

What's everyone doing for the Fourth of July? That's always been my favourite holiday and I'm homesick. It'll probably rain here and Jimmah has to work. I'm figuring out what to make. Need dessert suggestions!

Apple pie, obviously.

369 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:52:50am

re: #367 iceweasel

My favorite holiday too! We have a mini-family reunion every year. My folks and all my sisters, nieces, and nephews and Aunt/Uncles family.

370 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:53:23am

re: #368 Cannadian Club Akbar

Red, White, and Blue jello!

371 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:54:01am

re: #370 RogueOne

Red, White, and Blue jello shots!

FTFY

372 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:54:47am

re: #369 RogueOne

My favorite holiday too! We have a mini-family reunion every year. My folks and all my sisters, nieces, and nephews and Aunt/Uncles family.

That's awesome. I hope you have a great time!

re: #368 Cannadian Club Akbar

Apple pie, obviously.

Probably, Jimmah likes my apple pie. NOT A EUPHEMISM!

373 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:55:20am

re: #371 Cannadian Club Akbar

That might be more appropriate this year. My last married sister just separated from her husband. I tried telling them "don't marry someone who believes in multiple wives or a cop" but they didn't listen.

374 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:56:19am

re: #373 RogueOne

That might be more appropriate this year. My last married sister just separated from her husband. I tried telling them "don't marry someone who believes in multiple wives or a cop" but they didn't listen.

Which is the cop, your sister or her husband?

375 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:56:22am

re: #367 iceweasel

Need dessert suggestions!

Plane ticket back to Murika.

376 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:56:49am

re: #375 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Plane ticket back to Murika.

:(

377 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:57:19am

re: #374 iceweasel

The husband is a county cop in Cincinnati. He's a nice enough guy, for a cop, but he likes gas station clerks a little too much.

378 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 4:57:28am

We went 3 weeks with zero rain. It has now rained for four straight days. Love it.

379 laZardo  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:01:08am

re: #375 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Plane ticket back to Murika.

Speaking of which, mom got her immigrant visa today. :D

Now I have to accompany her over to Murika before the 24th...when my Thesis Presentation is anywhere from the 22nd to the 25th. @_@

GOOD TIMES.

380 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:01:49am

re: #367 iceweasel

What's everyone doing for the Fourth of July? That's always been my favourite holiday and I'm homesick. It'll probably rain here and Jimmah has to work. I'm figuring out what to make. Need dessert suggestions!

I'm going to Canada for the weekend.

381 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:01:56am

re: #379 laZardo

Congrats! I take it your dad met her overseas then? Has she ever been here?

382 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:04:33am

re: #379 laZardo

Speaking of which, mom got her immigrant visa today. :D

Now I have to accompany her over to Murika before the 24th...when my Thesis Presentation is anywhere from the 22nd to the 25th. @_@

GOOD TIMES.

Congrats! And good luck with your thesis!

383 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:04:39am

re: #380 Alouette

Windsor?

384 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:05:04am

re: #380 Alouette

I'm going to Canada for the weekend.

Cool, don't you have grandkids up there? You have so many I can't keep track. :)

385 laZardo  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:06:53am

re: #381 RogueOne

Congrats! I take it your dad met her overseas then? Has she ever been here?

Both mom and dad are Filipino, they met and married in "the old country" but they moved to the States for work in the 1980s mainly due to Marcos. Me and my siblings were all born in San Francisco.

re: #382 iceweasel

Congrats! And good luck with your thesis!

Thanks. I'm creating a debris retrieval boat that can perform in flood conditions (typhoons, global warming and all) and I have to find a way to beat this before the 19th.

386 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:07:55am

re: #380 Alouette

I'm going to Canada for the weekend.

Canada! It's America's hat!

387 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:09:42am

re: #376 iceweasel

:(

Hard to plant insurrection from the back of a sheep an ocean away.
/

388 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:10:29am

re: #385 laZardo

Add a wet bar to your boat. Might not help with the clean up, but the crew won't mind coming to work.:)

389 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:11:02am

re: #387 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hard to plant insurrection from the back of a sheep an ocean away.
/

Between this and the Canada--America's hat! comment, you're cracking me up today veggie.

390 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:15:31am

Yesterday I finished "Under the Dome" by Steven King. Well, it wasn't "The Stand" but it was still good. Only a 1,000 pages. But, I listened to it on CD, so it was only 30 CDs long. 34 hours of listening.

391 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:16:59am

re: #390 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Someone should get that speed talker from the old Fed Ex commercials to read those things.
/

392 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:18:24am

re: #384 iceweasel

Cool, don't you have grandkids up there? You have so many I can't keep track. :)

Toronto.

393 darthstar  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:19:43am

re: #390 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yesterday I finished "Under the Dome" by Steven King. Well, it wasn't "The Stand" but it was still good. Only a 1,000 pages. But, I listened to it on CD, so it was only 30 CDs long. 34 hours of listening.

Did you listen to it on "shuffle" mode? They're better that way.

394 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:19:44am

re: #386 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Canada! It's America's hat!

Toronto! It's just like Detroit, but more expensive!
And cleaner! And better shows and restaurants!

395 darthstar  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:20:21am

Mornin' insurgents.

396 laZardo  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:21:09am

re: #394 Alouette

Toronto! It's just like Detroit, but more expensive!
And cleaner! And better shows and restaurants!

But Toronto doesn't have RoboCop, or a statue of a giant fist.

397 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:21:52am

re: #396 laZardo

Or the semi-annual cleansing by fire

398 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:23:42am

re: #396 laZardo

But Toronto doesn't have RoboCop, or a statue of a giant fist.

I'll bet a lot of Robocop was filmed in Toronto. A lot of movies supposedly set in Detroit are really filmed in Toronto.

399 laZardo  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:23:44am

re: #397 RogueOne

Or the semi-annual cleansing by fire

But at least Toronto has universal healthcare. ;D

400 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:25:11am

Looks like Tornonto is getting the hang of american style policing. Yesterday it was testicle tasering, today it's just an old school beating:

Cops sentenced to house arrest in brutality case
[Link: www.torontosun.com...]


Two Toronto police officers who roughed up a disability pensioner were given 12 months of house arrest and prohibited from carrying weapons for 10 years.

Justice Elliott Allen said Constables Edward Ing and John Cruz committed assault causing bodily harm when they beat up Richard Moore, 60, on April 24, 2009 “because he called them the rich man’s army” and suggested they go arrest some gangsters

401 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:25:46am

re: #399 laZardo

But at least Toronto has universal healthcare. ;D

Detroit will just put you in the hospital.

402 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:26:57am

re: #401 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Detroit will just put you in the hospital.

My moms favorite t-shirt is something about "Detroit - We eat the weak"

403 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:27:45am

re: #400 RogueOne

The officers arrested Moore for being drunk in public, a charge that was later thrown out after medical tests revealed he had no alcohol in his system.

Nice job, boys!!!

404 darthstar  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:31:28am

re: #403 Cannadian Club Akbar

The officers arrested Moore for being drunk in public, a charge that was later thrown out after medical tests revealed he had no alcohol in his system.

Nice job, boys!!!

That's insane! How can anyone have no alcohol in their system?

405 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:31:42am

re: #403 Cannadian Club Akbar

Here's the story about the threatened testicle tasering, the officer used a variation of the twinkie defense:

Toronto cop threatened handcuffed man with Taser because of diabetes: judge
[Link: www.globaltoronto.com...]


Video shot from the back seat of a police cruiser and entered as court evidence shows the officer holding a Taser to a man's crotch and threatening to shock him during an incident in west Toronto on May 24, 2010.

The 38-year-old officer is a Type 1 diabetic who, in pleading guilty to one count of threatening bodily harm in February 2011, said he was suffering from low bloodsugar at the time of the incident partly because he didn't eat lunch that day.

406 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:31:54am

re: #401 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Detroit will just put you in the hospital.

I work with a guy who just recently moved here from Detroit. After walking out his door and finding his car on blocs and his tires missing, coming back from jogging to discover his house broken in and family jewelry stolen, and the almost daily shootings in his neighborhood, he moved the family to Charlottesville.

I welcomed him here.

407 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:32:44am

re: #404 darthstar

That's insane! How can anyone have no alcohol in their system?

Some people just disappoint me.

408 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:32:59am

re: #406 NJDhockeyfan

Anyone who can steal a guys family jewels while he's jogging should be given a medal for extreme stealth.

409 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:35:32am

Found the T-Shirt:

Detroit: Where the weak are killed and eaten
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

410 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:35:53am

re: #402 RogueOne

My moms favorite t-shirt is something about "Detroit - We eat the weak"

Where the weak are killed and eaten

411 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:36:24am

Usually worn at Red Wings games.

412 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:37:16am

re: #411 Alouette

Usually worn at Red Wings games.

I made the mistake as a kid of wearing a tampa bay bucs jersey to a lions game. Being a kid didn't stop them from throwing shit at me.

413 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:37:59am

re: #412 RogueOne

Mom was no help.."I told ya"

414 darthstar  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:38:05am

re: #409 RogueOne

Found the T-Shirt:

Detroit: Where the weak are killed and eaten
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

They can't use the active voice? No wonder they only target the weak.

415 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:38:20am

re: #406 NJDhockeyfan

I welcomed him here, by breaking into his house.

416 laZardo  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:38:39am

re: #413 RogueOne

Mom was no help.."I told ya"

WELL YOU DESERVED IT.

///

417 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:40:25am

re: #412 RogueOne

I made the mistake as a kid of wearing a tampa bay bucs jersey to a lions game. Being a kid didn't stop them from throwing shit at me.

At least they didn't/don't have a Super Bowl Trophy to throw at you.:)

418 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:42:32am

re: #417 Cannadian Club Akbar

Mom has been a lions fan since the early 60's when they were good. It looks like they're finally moving in the right direction. After 40 years of complete suckage I'm kind of rooting for them.

419 RogueOne  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 5:43:37am

Quotes and paperwork is finally finished. Time for me to get to the real work. Enjoy the day people!

420 kirkspencer  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 6:02:21am

re: #154 freetoken

Sarah Palin, in Iowa, continues to demur

If only the whole family would stay on the fishing boat...

Jury duty? What Jury duty?

The Quitta from Wasilla quit the jury duty that she used to quit the bus tour. Wonder what she'll quit next?

421 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 6:07:32am

Taliban attack on eve of security conference leaves 21 dead

The death toll from the night-time insurgent assault on a landmark Kabul hotel rose to 21 this morning, including the nine heavily-armed attackers who fought Afghan and NATO commandos for four hours as explosions rocked the blacked-out city center.

The siege ended when a NATO helicopter swooped in low over the hotel and fired on several of the attackers who had climbed to roof and were lobbing grenades into the darkness and firing at security forces.

...A Taliban spokesman took responsibility for the attack, saying the group aimed to murder government officials and foreigners it believed were inside.

I wonder how those US talks with the Taliban are coming along?

422 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 6:08:41am

re: #402 RogueOne

Bring me the prisoners...

Take 'em to Detroit.

Youtube Video
423 darthstar  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 6:11:43am

re: #422 lawhawk

Bring me the prisoners...

Take 'em to Detroit.

[Video]

Kentucky Fried Movie is one of my all time favorites...just linked the "Willer Time" commercial from that yesterday to a co-worker after a conference call ended in fact...

Youtube Video
424 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 6:13:17am

re: #423 darthstar

It's one of the all time quotable movies... and it parodies everything from the evening news to the cross-talk style programming to b-movies... to Big Jim Slade... and Hollywood's need to invent new ways to get you to the movies (feel-a-vision).

425 darthstar  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 6:15:41am

re: #424 lawhawk

It's one of the all time quotable movies... and it parodies everything from the evening news to the cross-talk style programming to b-movies... to Big Jim Slade... and Hollywood's need to invent new ways to get you to the movies (feel-a-vision).

...and the capitol of Nebraska is Lincoln!

426 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 6:18:42am

NYPD Maintains Heightened Security Following Hotel Attack In Afghanistan

The New York Police Department is stepping up counter-terrorism measures at hotels in the wake of a terrorist attack in Afghanistan.

Police spokesman Paul Browne said the move wasn’t prompted by a specific threat in the city, but the nation’s biggest police department is taking no chances as it learns more about the attack on Kabul’s Inter-Continental Hotel, which is frequented by foreigners.

Afghan police said a Taliban attack at an international hotel in Kabul has ended with 19 people dead, eight attackers and 11 civilians.

427 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 6:22:00am

Who Is Behind the Second Gaza Flotilla?


The second flotilla is coordinated by Muhammad Sawalha, a senior Hamas activist. Many of the participating organizations can be directly linked with the Union of Good (UoG), a coalition of European charities affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood, which in 2008 was designated as a terrorist organization by the U.S. Treasury, for transferring funds to Hamas. The UoG was initiated by Sheikh Yusuf Qaradawi, leader of the Muslim Brotherhood on a global scale, shortly after the outbreak of the Second Intifada in 2000.


Other main organizers include the anti-Israel International Solidarity Movement (ISM), as well as far-left socialists from Europe and the United States. According to the flotilla's main organizers, its prime aim is to create provocations and harm Israel's image.


Following Israel's Operation Cast Lead in Gaza, which ended in January 2009, a series of international conferences was held in Turkey to restructure the struggle against Israel. A conference in February 2009 featured 200 radical Islamist scholars who came to meet with senior Hamas officials to plot a new, "third jihadi front" (in addition to Pakistan and Iraq) centered on Gaza. The conference gave birth to the infamous, pro-Hamas Istanbul Declaration, which also provided justification for attacking foreign navies which might try to prevent arms smuggling to Gaza.


In general, the same organizers stand behind the second flotilla, with several changes. The most important may be the IHH decision not to send the Mavi Marmara, the ship which bought the first flotilla its publicity following violent clashes between IHH activists and the IDF, in which nine Turks were killed. Rather than take a leading role, it appears that the IHH will settle this time for sending activists to sail on other ships.


Thus, the flotilla is far from being a peaceful, humanitarian effort to support the Palestinians in Gaza. It should instead be seen as a major, pro-Hamas effort to delegitimize Israel by a "red-green alliance" of leftists and Islamists.


The Second "Freedom Flotilla" is a joint and coordinated effort of several groups working to delegitimize Israel on a global scale. The claim of the organizers that they are seeking to relieve the siege of Gaza and to provide urgently needed humanitarian aid rings completely hollow, given the vast economic improvements the territory has been witnessing. Indeed, the New York Times reported on June 25, 2011, that "two luxury hotels are opening in Gaza this month." The report from Gaza continues with a description of a "second shopping mall" about to open and "hundreds of homes" under construction.1 The motivation behind the flotilla is thus clearly political. All the groups involved have separately sent ships and land convoys aimed to "break the siege" of Gaza in order to hurt Israel's image.

The latest campaign is coordinated by Muhammad Sawalha, who, according to Israeli sources, is a senior Hamas activist who helped establish its operational infrastructure in the West Bank in the late 1980s. He found asylum in Britain in 1990 and is one of the central leaders of Islamist, anti-Israel, and pro-Hamas activities in Britain. Many of the participating organizations can be directly linked with the Union of Good (UoG), a coalition of European charities affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood, which in 2008 was designated as a terrorist organization by the U.S. Treasury for transferring funds to Hamas. Other main organizers include the anti-Israel International Solidarity Movement (ISM), as well as far-left socialists from Europe and the United States. According to the flotilla's main organizers, its prime aim is to create provocations and harm Israel's image.

428 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 6:24:34am

re: #425 darthstar

But was he a founding father? /inquiring minds...

429 Summer Seale  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 6:36:21am

Jeebus...

CNN has given a voice to Ed Morrissey now:

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

I'm totally shocked that Breitbart and others on the right wing blogs are sliding into the mainstream media, given their incredibly disgusting behavior over the last two years: overtly racist overtones, support for creationism, denial of global warming and, hey, let's just face it, all of science.

What's next? Giving Sylvia Browne an equal voice whenever they start publishing articles on Astrophysics?

Pisses me off.

430 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 6:43:23am

re: #429 Summer

I guess it's not surprising. CNN also hired rabid freak Erik Erikson. Since the Republican party has become dishonest and crazy it makes sense that the MSM is going to hire dishonest and crazy bloggers to represent them.

431 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 6:44:56am

re: #430 Killgore Trout

I guess it's not surprising. CNN also hired rabid freak Erik Erikson. Since the Republican party has become dishonest and crazy it makes sense that the MSM is going to hire dishonest and crazy bloggers to represent them.

If they'll hire Erikson even after his tweets about Souter there's no level too low for them to sink to.

432 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 6:45:03am

re: #429 Summer

This is funny....

The media seem poised to create a narrative of unseriousness for Bachmann, much the same as they have done with Palin -- apparently so poised that some outlets went off half-cocked on the Wayne/Gacy story.


It's a trap!

433 Gus  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 6:52:48am

Morning Commies. Who's got the bong?

//

434 blueraven  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 6:53:59am

re: #433 Gus 802

Morning Commies. Who's got the bong?

//

Walter

/

435 Gus  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 6:54:27am

re: #434 blueraven

Walter

/

I thought the dingo ate him?

436 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 6:56:18am

re: #434 blueraven

Where is Walter?

437 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 6:56:40am

Time to nail Massy Energy to the wall.

Officials: W. Va. Mine Operator Kept Two Sets Of Safety Records

Federal mine disaster investigators disclosed a few pieces of new information Tuesday night from their year-long look at the April 2010 deadly Upper Big Branch mine explosion. They said that:

— Mine owner Massey Energy kept two sets of records that chronicled safety problems. One internal set of production reports detailed those problems and how they delayed coal production. But the other records, which are reviewed by federal mine safety inspectors and required by federal law, failed to mention the same safety hazards. Some of the hazards that were not disclosed are identical to those believed to have contributed to the explosion.

More here:
[Link: www.npr.org...]

438 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 6:56:43am

re: #436 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Where is Walter?

Colorado.

439 Gus  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 6:58:28am

Whew. Big sneeze. AAACHOOO!

440 Gus  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:01:07am

These noodles are TOO SALTY.

You're under arrest!

//

441 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:01:16am

Heh...

'Warning to Assad: Attack us, we'll hit you personally'

Israel sent a message to Syrian President Bashar Assad in recent days, warning him that if he started a war with the Jewish state in order to divert attention from domestic problems, Israel will target him personally, Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Jarida reported on Tuesday.

According to the report, the personal warning was sent through Turkey following intelligence reports of unusual Syrian troop movements, including the moving of long-range ballistic missiles that could be used to target Israel.

The report added that the IDF has increased its preparedness on the northern border out of fear that Hezbollah may attempt to stage another kidnapping of soldiers or civilians along the Lebanese border.

Treating terrorist scum like the scum the are. Fantastic.

442 blueraven  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:03:18am

re: #439 Gus 802

Whew. Big sneeze. AAACHOOO!

Salud!

443 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:06:01am

re: #441 NJDhockeyfan

Heh...

'Warning to Assad: Attack us, we'll hit you personally'

Treating terrorist scum like the scum the are. Fantastic.

Maybe they could send him on an all expenses paid vacation to Dubai. Just sayin'.

444 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:07:02am

re: #439 Gus 802

Whew. Big sneeze. AAACHOOO!

now you get to wipe all the gooeyness of your screen,,,,

OR ,,, just leave it there for a few days till it hardens and pick it off

your screen ,, your gooo,,, your choice!

445 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:07:40am

re: #436 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Where is Walter?

omnipresent!!!

446 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:07:52am

re: #443 Cannadian Club Akbar

sent a reply, btw

447 Gus  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:09:12am

re: #444 sattv4u2

now you get to wipe all the gooeyness of your screen,,,

OR ,,, just leave it there for a few days till it hardens and pick it off

your screen ,, your gooo,,, your choice!

Sounds like a PSA. We can get all of the latest actors and pop stars to make one.

Your screen, your snot, your choice!

[Dooo/deeee/dooo/deeee]

//

448 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:10:20am

re: #447 Gus 802

Sounds like a PSA. We can get all of the latest actors and pop stars to make one.

Your screen, your snot, your choice!

[Dooo/deee/dooo/deee]

//

This has been a PSA from Phlegm.ORG

449 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:13:59am

North Korea blame loss to U.S. on players getting struck by lightning
[Link: sports.yahoo.com...]
Hey,, ya frakkin horny drunkard midget

Maybe they lost because the live on half-a-bowl-of-rice a month!!

450 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:15:46am

re: #445 sattv4u2

omnipresent!!!

In Atlanta?

451 Gus  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:15:49am

Need. Food. BIAB

452 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:16:33am

Dutch legislators infringe on religious beliefs by passing a ban on religious slaughter of animals.

The move would require that animals be first stunned before they are slaughtered; this would go against both Jewish and Muslim slaughtering procedures that require the animal to be fully aware at the time they are slaughtered.

It's claimed that this is an animal rights issue, but it really goes to religious freedom - particularly since the stunning of animals is itself a distressing and cruel procedure to maximize animal slaughter at the lowest possible cost.

453 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:17:43am

re: #452 lawhawk

I'll never understand this gruesome side of religion.

454 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:18:00am

re: #448 Cannadian Club Akbar

here's a new gig for you

CCA,,, Forensic Doggie Doo DNA Detective

[Link: www.palmbeachpost.com...]

Plagued with pets that do business in all the wrong places, dog owners in the Village of Abacoa, a condominium association of 458 units, must pay a $200 fee starting Aug. 1. The money will pay DNA Pet World Registry to take the dog's genetic fingerprint and keep the information on file.

455 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:18:18am

re: #449 sattv4u2

The North Koreans have shut down their schools and colleges to send everyone once again to the fields to collect food. That, in a nutshell, is what's wrong with North Korea. They can't feed themselves, but build a huge military industrial complex, complete with nuclear weapons - export that military tech, but can't survive without humanitarian aid imports and requiring everyone go to the fields to scrounge for food.

456 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:19:47am

re: #450 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

In Atlanta?

re: #450 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

In Atlanta?

I had dinner there one night

And no, not with Walter!

[Link: www.omnihotels.com...]

457 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:20:54am

re: #455 lawhawk

The North Koreans have shut down their schools and colleges to send everyone once again to the fields to collect food. That, in a nutshell, is what's wrong with North Korea. They can't feed themselves, but build a huge military industrial complex, complete with nuclear weapons - export that military tech, but can't survive without humanitarian aid imports and requiring everyone go to the fields to scrounge for food.

ya think!?!?!

458 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:21:03am

re: #453 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What's particularly gruesome about the slaughtering procedures? Under Jewish law, the animal must be checked for disease before it is slaughtered - and the person doing the slaughtering must do so with one clean stroke of a knife to sever key arteries, veins, and other internal structures of the neck; failing to do so renders the animal unkosher. Following that procedure, the animal is again checked for disease that would render it unkosher.

To me, that's far more humane than a system where the animal is stunned by gas, gun, or electrocution before it is slaughtered.

459 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:23:58am

re: #458 lawhawk

Just the fact that there is a ritualistic slaughtering procedure in general bugs me.

460 laZardo  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:26:53am

re: #458 lawhawk

What's particularly gruesome about the slaughtering procedures? Under Jewish law, the animal must be checked for disease before it is slaughtered - and the person doing the slaughtering must do so with one clean stroke of a knife to sever key arteries, veins, and other internal structures of the neck;

I'm an omnivore but that sounds...pretty painful. Even if it is an animal.

461 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:27:36am

re: #456 sattv4u2

I was thinking of The Omni.

462 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:28:00am

re: #459 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Just the fact that there is a ritualistic slaughtering procedure in general bugs me.

Never even gave it a second (or 1st, for that matter) thoght

Dad was a butcher by trade, back in the days when they would get the entire animal to break down. I always knew the cows, pigs, ect were killed somehow before they got to dad, so it didn't bother me as to the "how"

SO,,, whats the difference between killing a cow in (lets say) a Chicago slaughterhouse (again, "back in the day") for commercial distribution/ consumption OR "ritulalistic"ally according to Jewish and/or muslim tradition?

463 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:28:18am

re: #459 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Just the fact that there is a ritualistic slaughtering procedure in general bugs me.

Did you ever see the video someone posted here about how chicken farms separate male chicks from the females? Pretty gross.

464 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:28:24am

re: #460 laZardo

I'm an omnivore

That you Walter?

465 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:30:25am

re: #462 sattv4u2

I'm a vegetarian, silly. I don't like the killing of animals for food in general.

I support everyone's right to eat what they want. I just can't think of a "humane" way to kill anything. But we've devised many "human" ways to do it.

466 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:30:31am

re: #461 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I was thinking of The Omni.

ahhh,, I thought you may have been, but the way you travel/ stay in hotels I was thinking that angle

Anyway,, THAT Omni closed before we moved to Atlanta but in 88' I did some work for ABC when the Dem convention was there

467 laZardo  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:30:45am

re: #459 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Just the fact that there is a ritualistic slaughtering procedure in general bugs me.

WELL YOU'RE A- oh.

/ ;p

468 blueraven  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:31:44am

All this mess going on in Greece. So I stated looking around a bit. Seems we are following in their footsteps. Yes they, and we, spend too much. But the wealthy get a pass and the tax system sucks!


Distribution of Income or Consumption by Percentage Share: Greece
Lowest 10% 3.0
Lowest 20% 7.5
Second 20% 12.4
Third 20% 16.9
Fourth 20% 22.8
Highest 20% 40.3
Highest 10% 25.3
Survey year: 1993 (latest I could find...I would bet it is worse now)

Read more: Greece Poverty and wealth, Information about Poverty and wealth in Greece [Link: www.nationsencyclopedia.com...]


Meanwhile:
Greek Wealth Is Everywhere but Tax Forms

Various studies, including one by the Federation of Greek Industries last year, have estimated that the government may be losing as much as $30 billion a year to tax evasion — a figure that would have gone a long way to solving its debt problems.

“We need to grow up,” said Ioannis Plakopoulos, who like all owners of newspaper stands will have to give receipts and start using a cash register under the new tax laws passed last month. “We need to learn not to cheat or to let others cheat.”


[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

469 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:31:52am

re: #367 iceweasel

What's everyone doing for the Fourth of July? That's always been my favourite holiday and I'm homesick. It'll probably rain here and Jimmah has to work. I'm figuring out what to make. Need dessert suggestions!

I have a sour cream apple pie recipe guaranteed to kill diabetics.

470 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:32:04am

re: #467 laZardo

YOU GET ME!

471 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:32:47am

To work. Later, taters.

472 darthstar  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:34:32am

re: #465 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm a vegetarian, silly. I don't like the killing of animals for food in general.

I support everyone's right to eat what they want. I just can't think of a "humane" way to kill anything. But we've devised many "human" ways to do it.

I thought you were a vegetarian because you hated vegetables. Occasionally, I'll see "sustainably raised" and "humanely treated" and I'll ask the butcher, "So they don't kill this cow? They just sedate it and remove the steaks then let it get back to free rangin'?"

473 darthstar  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:36:49am

re: #456 sattv4u2

Whatever happened to the old codger? Self-imposed hiatus or flounce? Don't care about the details...just don't like thinking he dropped off the face of the earth without a word.

474 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:37:29am

re: #468 blueraven

he government may be losing as much as $30 billion a year to tax evasion

Tax evasion is a lot different than the wealthy (or anyone else) not paying their fair share

475 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:37:58am

re: #472 darthstar

I thought you were a vegetarian because you hated vegetables. Occasionally, I'll see "sustainably raised" and "humanely treated" and I'll ask the butcher, "So they don't kill this cow? They just sedate it and remove the steaks then let it get back to free rangin'?"

Actually it wakes up lying in a bathtub full of ice with its liver and kidneys missing along with an apologetic note that it is now making some onions very happy.

476 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:38:01am

re: #452 lawhawk

Dutch legislators infringe on religious beliefs by passing a ban on religious slaughter of animals.

The move would require that animals be first stunned before they are slaughtered; this would go against both Jewish and Muslim slaughtering procedures that require the animal to be fully aware at the time they are slaughtered.

It's claimed that this is an animal rights issue, but it really goes to religious freedom - particularly since the stunning of animals is itself a distressing and cruel procedure to maximize animal slaughter at the lowest possible cost.

Why is "stunning" considered more humane than instantaneous severing of the carotid artery? "Stunning" requires shocking the animal with a big taser. Sometimes several shocks are required before the animal loses consciousness. What makes that more "humane" or is it just less messy?

477 blueraven  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:39:26am

re: #474 sattv4u2

he government may be losing as much as $30 billion a year to tax evasion

Tax evasion is a lot different than the wealthy (or anyone else) not paying their fair share

Tax evasion, loop holes, tax cuts for the top %...same results.

478 darthstar  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:39:34am

re: #475 oaktree

Actually it wakes up lying in a bathtub full of ice with its liver and kidneys missing along with an apologetic note that it is now making some onions very happy.

And a Jarvic heart since all its valves were used for medical purposes. But it does get free HBO.

479 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:40:03am

re: #472 darthstar

I thought you were a vegetarian because you hated vegetables. Occasionally, I'll see "sustainably raised" and "humanely treated" and I'll ask the butcher, "So they don't kill this cow? They just sedate it and remove the steaks then let it get back to free rangin'?"

A man goes into a restaurant. He sits down and asks the waiter, "So, how do you prepare the chicken"? Waiter says, "We don't. They pretty much know they're gonna die". (old, old, repost)

480 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:40:11am

re: #473 darthstar

Whatever happened to the old codger? Self-imposed hiatus or flounce? Don't care about the details...just don't like thinking he dropped off the face of the earth without a word.

Charles meant to give him a timeout but mistakingly "hit the wrong button" ((Charles words)) and it was a "This User Is Banned"
When Charles realized the mistake he changed it to a "This User Is In Timeout"

The "timeout" should have expired but no signs of Walter as of yet

481 laZardo  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:40:27am

re: #476 Alouette

Why is "stunning" considered more humane than instantaneous severing of the carotid artery? "Stunning" requires shocking the animal with a big taser. Sometimes several shocks are required before the animal loses consciousness. What makes that more "humane" or is it just less messy?

Don't they use that bolt gun like the one from No Country For Old Men?

482 Lidane  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:41:05am

Well, my productivity is about to take a massive nose dive:


Windows Phone 7 lands Angry Birds

Angry Birds + XBox Live achievements on my phone = less work by me. Hah.

483 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:41:31am

re: #477 blueraven

Tax evasion, loop holes, tax cuts for the top %...same results.

Could be the "same result" but it's not the "same thing"

Sorry for parsing, but again, evasion is a criminal offense,,, abiding by the existing tax code and taking allowable deductions, knowing the "loopholes" is not

484 laZardo  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:42:04am

re: #482 Lidane

Could be worse. You could be in China.

485 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:42:17am

re: #473 darthstar

Whatever happened to the old codger? Self-imposed hiatus or flounce? Don't care about the details...just don't like thinking he dropped off the face of the earth without a word.

Seems to be a screw-up over a timeout that got "stuck". Could be accidental. I miss his crap--can't hold up the Old Fart shtick alone.

486 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:43:32am

re: #485 Decatur Deb

Seems to be a screw-up over a timeout that got "stuck". Could be accidental. I miss his crap--can't hold up the Old Fart shtick alone.


I too have tried, but he did set a high bar!

487 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:44:17am

re: #474 sattv4u2

he government may be losing as much as $30 billion a year to tax evasion

Tax evasion is a lot different than the wealthy (or anyone else) not paying their fair share

There's a difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion. The former is a legal way to do so using all available tax credits, exemptions, deductions to the maximum permitted by law. Evasion is the failure to report/pay tax due.

Many countries have problems with both - and the more complex the tax code, the more revenues are lost to evasion or avoidance - even if it's accidental because no one can quite figure out the proper tax due.

488 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:44:58am

re: #487 lawhawk

There's a difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion. The former is a legal way to do so using all available tax credits, exemptions, deductions to the maximum permitted by law. Evasion is the failure to report/pay tax due.

Many countries have problems with both - and the more complex the tax code, the more revenues are lost to evasion or avoidance - even if it's accidental because no one can quite figure out the proper tax due.

hence, #483

489 blueraven  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:45:00am

re: #483 sattv4u2

Could be the "same result" but it's not the "same thing"

Sorry for parsing, but again, evasion is a criminal offense,,, abiding by the existing tax code and taking allowable deductions, knowing the "loopholes" is not

That's fine you can parse it anyway you want. In the end, its a distinction without a difference.
Greece and the USA are both suffering because the rich are not paying their taxes, whether by hook or crook.

490 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:45:33am

re: #487 lawhawk

There's a difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion. The former is a legal way to do so using all available tax credits, exemptions, deductions to the maximum permitted by law. Evasion is the failure to report/pay tax due.

Many countries have problems with both - and the more complex the tax code, the more revenues are lost to evasion or avoidance - even if it's accidental because no one can quite figure out the proper tax due.

Without looking too carefully at who 'owns' the tax code.

491 Lidane  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:45:37am

re: #484 laZardo

Could be worse. You could be in China.

They sell all that stuff at Fry's. I laughed when some guy showed his girlfriend/wife the huge $60 stuffed red bird & green piggy. The look on her face was hilarious. You could tell they were going to have that discussion about buying things they don't need.

Then I turned around and bought the red one of these. Hahaha.

492 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:46:46am

re: #489 blueraven

That's fine you can parse it anyway you want. In the end, its a distinction without a difference.
Greece and the USA are both suffering because the rich are not paying their taxes, whether by hook or crook.

No, it's really not

You were all indignant that the Greek rich weren't paying their fair share,
"tax evasion" from your link

When in fact all their doing is following the existing tax codes

493 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:46:53am

re: #476 Alouette

I don't get that either. Stunning can lead to many of the same issues with the animal being injured from falling, flailing about, or otherwise making a mess. It isn't any more humane.

It is quicker though if you're trying to mass produce meat.

494 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:48:17am

re: #492 sattv4u2

No, it's really not

You were all indignant that the Greek rich weren't paying their fair share,
"tax evasion" from your link

When in fact all their doing is following the existing tax codes

Which was totally written by the poor.

495 darthstar  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:48:50am

Why does the press follow Palin "just in case she might announce something"? That's not news. And even if she wasn't followed and then announced something, couldn't the press just report that she announced something without actually being there?

496 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:48:58am

re: #489 blueraven

It's a distinction with a real legal and criminal difference.

Avoidance is permissible. Taxpayers do it all the time with taking advantage of tax credits or shifting assets to minimize tax. For example, if you take advantage of the mortgage deduction, it's a tax avoidance measure -but wholly legal.

Evasion is punishable by civil and criminal sanctions, including significant jail time. Just ask Wesley Snipes.

497 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:50:03am

re: #495 darthstar

The media are a bunch of puppy dogs looking for a fire hydrant?

498 blueraven  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:50:46am

re: #492 sattv4u2

No, it's really not

You were all indignant that the Greek rich weren't paying their fair share,
"tax evasion" from your link

When in fact all their doing is following the existing tax codes

The bottom line is, taxes are not being collected as they should be. It is hurting both economies.

499 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:51:48am

re: #495 darthstar

Why does the press follow Palin "just in case she might announce something"? That's not news. And even if she wasn't followed and then announced something, couldn't the press just report that she announced something without actually being there?

I see/work with the media every day and I don't get it either

Some of the things I see behind the scenes just baffle me (the interplay between the studio and the reporter in the field) not to mention what they decide to show and not show

500 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:53:05am

re: #494 Decatur Deb

Which was totally written by the poor.

I never said it was fair

I did say it was legal

501 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:53:54am

re: #500 sattv4u2

I never said it was fair

I did say it was legal

We should form a committee.

502 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:53:57am

re: #498 blueraven

The bottom line is, taxes are not being collected as they should be. It is hurting both economies.

My neighbor in Italy was a tax lawyer. He told us his job was to keep a client from being convicted for the third time.

503 darthstar  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:53:59am

re: #497 lawhawk

The media are a bunch of puppy dogs looking for a fire hydrant?

Looking for a treat, and peeing where they stand. Anticipation of news takes far more of our time than the actual news event itself. Then there's the post-news analysis..."Was it good for you?" The idiots on TV were talking about Bachmann and Palin and the host asked, "Is Sarah Palin getting jealous of the attention Bachmann's getting?" The Republican explained that she just announced so she's getting lots of attention as she should. Surprisingly, the hostess said, "Huntsman just announced too...but he's not getting any attention." [Pregnant pause] Conversation swung back to Palin.

504 blueraven  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:54:16am

re: #496 lawhawk

It's a distinction with a real legal and criminal difference.

Avoidance is permissible. Taxpayers do it all the time with taking advantage of tax credits or shifting assets to minimize tax. For example, if you take advantage of the mortgage deduction, it's a tax avoidance measure -but wholly legal.

Evasion is punishable by civil and criminal sanctions, including significant jail time. Just ask Wesley Snipes.

Yes, and if Greece would crack down and send a few of these evaders to jail, then maybe it wouldn't be so widespread...more revenue. And if the US would close some of these loopholes...more revenue.

505 Gus  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:56:34am

re: #504 blueraven

Yes, and if Greece would crack down and send a few of these evaders to jail, then maybe it wouldn't be so widespread...more revenue. And if the US would close some of these loopholes...more revenue.

Yeah, but if they did that then they would have to spend money on all the jails they would need to build. Then add cost per prisoner.

506 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:57:01am

BRAG TIME

Son just got back his SAT scores (1st time taking the test)

740 out of 800 in Math!!

2090 (out of 2400) overall!

507 Lidane  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:58:37am

re: #506 sattv4u2

BRAG TIME

Son just got back his SAT scores (1st time taking the test)

740 out of 800 in Math!!

2090 (out of 2400) overall!

Sweet. He's way better in math than I ever was. I'm guessing he's heading off to college at some point. What does he want to study?

508 blueraven  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:58:54am

re: #505 Gus 802

Yeah, but if they did that then they would have to spend money on all the jails they would need to build. Then add cost per prisoner.

So they should just let it slide...in the mess they are in?
Hell, are jails only for the poor?

509 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:59:33am

re: #506 sattv4u2

BRAG TIME

Son just got back his SAT scores (1st time taking the test)

740 out of 800 in Math!!

2090 (out of 2400) overall!

Congrats--and if it's worth it, anybody can squeeze out a few more points on second/third retakes just through familiarity with the process.

510 Gus  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 7:59:50am

re: #508 blueraven

So they should just let it slide...in the mess they are in?
Hell, are jails only for the poor?

I don't have an answer. Have enough trouble fixing my own mess.

511 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:00:18am

re: #506 sattv4u2

BRAG TIME

Son just got back his SAT scores (1st time taking the test)

740 out of 800 in Math!!

2090 (out of 2400) overall!

When I was in high skool, the highest you could get on your SAT's was 1600. I'm sure when you were in skool it was 4.
/

512 Summer Seale  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:01:22am

RE: North Korea

Don't get me started. I probably have some of the most extreme views on the Hermit Kingdom in anyone you've probably ever met. Most people pale when they hear what I wish I could do as my life long work, but I think it's because they haven't really thought things through about how bad things are there. It's one area of politics where my response becomes savage brutality, and I make no apologies for it.

In other news: I'm very happy that Bachmann is in because I think that the Republican Party needs somebody who can best represent the makeup of the party's current ideology at the moment. Romney is far too educated, polished, well spoken, experienced, and even thoughtful (and I still wouldn't vote for him) to truly represent what the GOP has recently become, so I'm all for Bachmann giving it a go and showing the world exactly what they're all about right now.

513 laZardo  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:01:33am

re: #506 sattv4u2

BRAG TIME

Son just got back his SAT scores (1st time taking the test)

740 out of 800 in Math!!

2090 (out of 2400) overall!

Congrats.

[got 1330 back when the top score was 1600]

514 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:02:41am

re: #506 sattv4u2

BRAG TIME

Son just got back his SAT scores (1st time taking the test)

740 out of 800 in Math!!

2090 (out of 2400) overall!

Extra special congrats, I considered math one of my strong suits and the highest I ever got on it was 710....

515 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:02:48am

Greece has passed its austerity package, 155-138.

516 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:04:05am

re: #507 Lidane

Sweet. He's way better in math than I ever was. I'm guessing he's heading off to college at some point. What does he want to study?

Engineering

We've already visited Georgia Tech and Auburn (his preference) with Virginia Tech on the calender

517 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:04:30am

re: #515 Decatur Deb

Greece has passed its austerity package, 155-138.

World markets are reacting positively. Good news.

518 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:04:49am

re: #509 Decatur Deb

Congrats--and if it's worth it, anybody can squeeze out a few more points on second/third retakes just through familiarity with the process.

Yes, he said he knows he can do better now that he knows what to expect

519 laZardo  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:05:16am

re: #517 Killgore Trout

World markets are reacting positively. Good news.

THEY'RE ENSLAVED TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER NOW!

/should probably make a [moonbat] or [general truther] tag

520 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:05:19am

re: #506 sattv4u2

BRAG TIME

Son just got back his SAT scores (1st time taking the test)

740 out of 800 in Math!!

2090 (out of 2400) overall!

Congrats to your son!

521 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:05:24am

re: #460 laZardo

Hey, I can make farming vegetables sound pretty gruesome too.

Watch:

First, we thrust the seed into the ground and smother it with soil. Then, we nearly drown that seed in water until it starts to poke its head over the soil. Next, we dose it with toxic chemicals to make sure that pests don't eat them and that they grow even faster than naturally possible. We further dump harsh chemicals on the soil to make sure that the seed germinates and grows fast.

Then, when the plant has grown enough, the farm comes in and chops the plant off at the root, grabs and crushes the plant, to get at the fruit/vegetable, throws them into baskets and moves them to rooms that are cold and full of CO2 to preserve them for shipment.

522 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:05:32am

re: #511 Cannadian Club Akbar

When I was in high skool, the highest you could get on your SAT's was 1600. I'm sure when you were in skool it was 4.
/

We got one point for bringing our own chisle

523 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:07:01am

re: #521 lawhawk

Hey, I can make farming vegetables sound pretty gruesome too.

Watch:

First, we thrust the seed into the ground and smother it with soil. Then, we nearly drown that seed in water until it starts to poke its head over the soil. Next, we dose it with toxic chemicals to make sure that pests don't eat them and that they grow even faster than naturally possible. We further dump harsh chemicals on the soil to make sure that the seed germinates and grows fast.

Then, when the plant has grown enough, the farm comes in and chops the plant off at the root, grabs and crushes the plant, to get at the fruit/vegetable, throws them into baskets and moves them to rooms that are cold and full of CO2 to preserve them for shipment.

You'll be getting a strongly-worded Twit from the People for the Ethical Treatment of Plants.

524 Lidane  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:07:49am

re: #516 sattv4u2

Engineering

We've already visited Georgia Tech and Auburn (his preference) with Virginia Tech on the calender

Any specific type of engineering? I'm only asking because have an uncle and cousin who are both in civil engineering and one of my MBA classmates did her undergrad in electrical engineering.

Those are great schools. Good luck to him! I hope he gets into all of them.

525 Gus  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:08:09am

re: #521 lawhawk

Hey, I can make farming vegetables sound pretty gruesome too.

Watch:

First, we thrust the seed into the ground and smother it with soil. Then, we nearly drown that seed in water until it starts to poke its head over the soil. Next, we dose it with toxic chemicals to make sure that pests don't eat them and that they grow even faster than naturally possible. We further dump harsh chemicals on the soil to make sure that the seed germinates and grows fast.

Then, when the plant has grown enough, the farm comes in and chops the plant off at the root, grabs and crushes the plant, to get at the fruit/vegetable, throws them into baskets and moves them to rooms that are cold and full of CO2 to preserve them for shipment.

Hey. You should consider running for mayor in Berkeley.

//

526 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:08:30am

re: #521 lawhawk

Or you could just post the carrot song by TOOL.

527 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:08:51am

re: #525 Gus 802

I'm too busy managing the Zionist payroll system. /

528 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:10:15am

re: #521 lawhawk

Hey, I can make farming vegetables sound pretty gruesome too.

Watch:

First, we thrust the seed into the ground and smother it with soil. Then, we nearly drown that seed in water until it starts to poke its head over the soil. Next, we dose it with toxic chemicals to make sure that pests don't eat them and that they grow even faster than naturally possible. We further dump harsh chemicals on the soil to make sure that the seed germinates and grows fast.

Then, when the plant has grown enough, the farm comes in and chops the plant off at the root, grabs and crushes the plant, to get at the fruit/vegetable, throws them into baskets and moves them to rooms that are cold and full of CO2 to preserve them for shipment.

Tomatoes are alive. They bleed when you cut them! Beets and cherries bleed too. And corn screams when you strip it.

529 blueraven  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:10:25am

Ministry of Finance on fire in Greece.

530 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:10:41am

re: #524 Lidane

Any specific type of engineering? I'm only asking because have an uncle and cousin who are both in civil engineering and one of my MBA classmates did her undergrad in electrical engineering.

Those are great schools. Good luck to him! I hope he gets into all of them.

He wants to dual major

Computer engineering as well as either electrical/or civil

531 blueraven  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:12:01am

re: #529 blueraven

Ministry of Finance on fire in Greece.

Ministry of Finance building, I should say.

532 Gus  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:13:03am

re: #529 blueraven

Ministry of Finance on fire in Greece.

That'll help.

//

533 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:13:06am

re: #528 Alouette

And corn screams when you strip it.

I once knew a stripper that screamed if you didn't tip her

No,, wait ,, I knew her twice!

534 Gus  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:13:26am

Let me guess. The Communists are behind the protests? I'm not joking either.

535 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:14:16am

re: #531 blueraven

Ministry of Finance building, I should say.

///Awww.... just when I thought politics were getting interesting....

536 Lidane  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:14:44am

re: #530 sattv4u2

He wants to dual major

Computer engineering as well as either electrical/or civil

Wow, that's a lot of work. CLEP tests are his friend. If he's that good in his classes now, he should CLEP out of as many of his basics as he can just so he can hit the ground running. There's no reason a kid that smart should waste his time with intro level college courses if he can avoid them.

Don't bother with AP tests. They're okay and all, but at least the CLEP will give him college credit for the money and time.

537 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:14:46am

re: #534 Gus 802

Let me guess. The Communists are behind the protests? I'm not joking either.

Communist, anarchist. Some kind of ist.

538 Gus  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:15:35am

re: #537 Cannadian Club Akbar

Communist, anarchist. Some kind of ist.

All believers in the Magical Money Tree™!

539 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:16:35am

re: #537 Cannadian Club Akbar

Communist, anarchist. Some kind of ist.

Arsonist. (Feeling very cautious today.)

540 laZardo  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:16:53am

re: #537 Cannadian Club Akbar

Communist, anarchist. Some kind of ist.

Anonymist.

/and they played the 1812 overture, too

541 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:17:47am

Canadian M-ist. (for when times are tight)

542 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:18:21am

re: #536 Lidane

CLEP tests are his friend.

Thanks

His high school counselor is already on it, getting him scheduled this year

543 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:18:48am

re: #537 Cannadian Club Akbar

Communist, anarchist. Some kind of ist.

Probably not Baptist.

544 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:19:05am

re: #541 Cannadian Club Akbar

Sierra M-ist, for when you're thirsty.

545 laZardo  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:20:07am

re: #543 Shiplord Kirel

Probably not Baptist.

Greek Orthodoxist?

546 Lidane  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:20:32am

re: #537 Cannadian Club Akbar

Communist, anarchist. Some kind of ist.

Dammit. Now I have this song in my head:

Youtube Video
547 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:21:45am

Filos who's pist.

548 blueraven  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:26:45am

re: #547 Decatur Deb

Filos who's pist.


No more rhymes now, I mean it!
Anybody want a peanut?

549 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:28:37am

re: #548 blueraven

No more rhymes now, I mean it!
Anybody want a peanut?

With all that rage, you should see a therap-ist. He can send you for some pills that will help from the drug-ist.
/I quit.

550 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:30:16am

Thank You France!

The French military reports France air-dropped weapons to anti-regime Berber rebels trying to bring down Muammar Gaddafi in the west's Nafusa Mountains in early June. Le Figaro suggests rocket launchers and anti-tank missiles were among the weapons dropped.

551 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:31:25am

John Lennon (hearted) Reagan!!!

Read the comments. Heh.

552 blueraven  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:32:00am

President is late for his press conference.

How odd. //

553 laZardo  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:32:11am

re: #550 ProLifeLiberal

Thank You France!

Because arming rebels to overthrow a dictator usually turns out well in the end.

/

554 Stanghazi  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:32:30am

President Obama, the baby whisperer, strikes again

Good morning!

555 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:32:56am

re: #552 blueraven

President is late for his press conference.

How odd. //

No one above the rank of 1-star is ever late for a conference.

556 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:33:24am

re: #553 laZardo

Considering what Qaddafi was doing, and what he said he was going to do, this a good thing.

Especially in the case of the Berbers.

557 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:33:30am

re: #554 Stanley Sea

President Obama, the baby whisperer, strikes again

Good morning!

At least the kid is wearing Commie red!!!
///

558 blueraven  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:34:34am

re: #554 Stanley Sea

President Obama, the baby whisperer, strikes again

Good morning!

Awwww...Good morning!

559 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:35:02am

re: #554 Stanley Sea

President Obama, the baby whisperer, strikes again

Good morning!

I gotta admit, no matter what the content, I find Obama's speaking voice very soothing, one might even say soporific.

560 laZardo  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:35:42am

re: #551 Cannadian Club Akbar

John Lennon (hearted) Reagan!!!

Read the comments. Heh.

I blame Yoko.

/

561 Gus  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:37:30am

re: #557 Cannadian Club Akbar

At least the kid is wearing Commie red!!!
///

Ollllmmmmmm.

//

562 laZardo  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:38:02am

re: #556 ProLifeLiberal

Tribes is tribes. Gaddafi has his own allied set, the rebels have theirs. Hell, this could be another Somalia in the making, only the Mediterranean is a lot more enforceable than the Indian Ocean.

563 Gus  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:38:10am

re: #551 Cannadian Club Akbar

John Lennon (hearted) Reagan!!!

Read the comments. Heh.

Does this mean Bachmann can now use Lennon songs?

/

564 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:40:08am

re: #562 laZardo

Tribes is tribes. Gaddafi has his own allied set, the rebels have theirs. Hell, this could be another Somalia in the making, only the Mediterranean is a lot more enforceable than the Indian Ocean.

You don't care which tribe wins in this case?

565 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:40:33am

re: #563 Gus 802

Does this mean Bachmann can now use Lennon songs?

/

She'll get bonus points if she uses "Imagine" without listening to the lyrics.:)

566 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:41:48am

re: #565 Cannadian Club Akbar

She'll get bonus points if she uses "Imagine" without listening to the lyrics.:)

I would love that.

567 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:42:48am

re: #566 wrenchwench

I would love that.

She could say John misspoke when he said "imagine no heaven".

568 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:44:27am

re: #567 Cannadian Club Akbar

She could say John misspoke when he said "imagine no heaven".

He meant it as a threat.

569 SidewaysQuark  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:45:31am

re: #512 Summer

RE: North Korea

Don't get me started. I probably have some of the most extreme views on the Hermit Kingdom in anyone you've probably ever met. Most people pale when they hear what I wish I could do as my life long work, but I think it's because they haven't really thought things through about how bad things are there. It's one area of politics where my response becomes savage brutality, and I make no apologies for it.

I personally think North Korea is the saddest place on earth, no two ways about it.

I wouldn't put it past China to one day invade for a land grab should the inevitable power vacuum appear.

570 laZardo  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:46:30am

re: #564 wrenchwench

You don't care which tribe wins in this case?

Not really. I'm just not holding my breath on this intervention. To be honest, I think the US is just looking for another dubious Mideast ally to replace the loss of Egypt.

571 laZardo  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:47:06am

re: #569 SidewaysQuark

I personally think North Korea is the saddest place on earth, no two ways about it.

North Korea is the happiest place on earth.

You just don't want to be the first one to stop smiling.

/ ;)

572 SidewaysQuark  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:48:25am

re: #570 laZardo

Not really. I'm just not holding my breath on this intervention. To be honest, I think the US is just looking for another dubious Mideast ally to replace the loss of Egypt.

I think it's premature to say we've lost Egypt as an ally, although the alliance might come to more and more resemble our "alliance" with Pakistan.

It was crucially good that Obama backed the right horse in the nick of time, there, though.

573 SidewaysQuark  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:49:34am

re: #571 laZardo

North Korea is the happiest place on earth.

You just don't want to be the first one to stop smiling.

/ ;)

Exactly. 1984 come true, except without the 'fancy' standard of living.

574 Gus  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:51:18am

There goes fucking AT&T down the shitter again.

575 Gus  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:52:01am

re: #571 laZardo

North Korea is the happiest place on earth.

You just don't want to be the first one to stop smiling.

/ ;)

Hey. We can fix that. Says so in the Constitution!

//

576 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:52:08am

Anyone watching Pres. Obamas presser?

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

577 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:52:36am

re: #521 lawhawk

Hey, I can make farming vegetables sound pretty gruesome too.

Watch:

First, we thrust the seed into the ground and smother it with soil. Then, we nearly drown that seed in water until it starts to poke its head over the soil. Next, we dose it with toxic chemicals to make sure that pests don't eat them and that they grow even faster than naturally possible. We further dump harsh chemicals on the soil to make sure that the seed germinates and grows fast.

Then, when the plant has grown enough, the farm comes in and chops the plant off at the root, grabs and crushes the plant, to get at the fruit/vegetable, throws them into baskets and moves them to rooms that are cold and full of CO2 to preserve them for shipment.

Or just find a nice recording of "John Barleycorn Must Die". I'm fond of the version by Traffic.

578 darthstar  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:53:10am

Obama just now: "You're still going to get to ride on your corporate jet...you're just going to have to pay a little more."

579 darthstar  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:53:36am

re: #576 Rightwingconspirator

Anyone watching Pres. Obamas presser?

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Watching and enjoying...mocking the sacrifices of the rich...priceless.

580 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:53:55am

re: #562 laZardo

Again, tribes in this situation are a bit overstated.

And, in the case of the Berbers, Qaddafi has been trying to wipe them out for 42 years, because he says they aren't truly an ancient ethnic group, and were created by "the imperialists"

In addition, Libya is far more developed then Somalia ever was, and is in a more stable neighborhood.

581 BongCrodny  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:54:25am

re: #567 Cannadian Club Akbar

She could say John misspoke when he said "imagine no heaven".


There was a HUGE ruckus in my hometown circa 1971 or so. The graduating class chose "Imagine" as its class song, and we had letter after letter after letter in the local rag condemning the students for choosing such a commie-loving/atheistic song.

Even back then we had Neanderpthals.

582 Gus  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:55:17am

re: #578 darthstar

Obama just now: "You're still going to get to ride on your corporate jet...you're just going to have to pay a little more."

And we all lived happily ever after.

//

583 darthstar  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:55:42am

Chuck Todd is smirking. Grow a chin you goatee sporting fucktard.

War Powers act constitutional?
Debt limit constitutional?
Marriage a civil right?

Pick one...sheesh.

584 darthstar  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:56:22am

re: #582 Gus 802

And we all lived happily ever after.

//

And we all lived happily ever after, but we had to pay a little more.

585 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:57:26am

re: #578 darthstar

Obama just now: "You're still going to get to ride on your corporate jet...you're just going to have to pay a little more."

Not if you're a CEO of one of the Big 3 auto makers and you have to go to Washington!!!
/

586 laZardo  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:57:46am

re: #580 ProLifeLiberal

Again, tribes in this situation are a bit overstated.

And, in the case of the Berbers, Qaddafi has been trying to wipe them out for 42 years, because he says they aren't truly an ancient ethnic group, and were created by "the imperialists"

In addition, Libya is far more developed then Somalia ever was, and is in a more stable neighborhood.

Only because it's got oil. Sure, the EU could use a source other than Russia. But other than that, I'm still not holding my breath that the National Transitional Council will really help bring anything more than the stability required to stop anarchy, democracy be damned.

587 darthstar  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:58:58am

re: #585 Cannadian Club Akbar

Not if you're a CEO of one of the Big 3 auto makers and you have to go to Washington!!!
/

No, they all drive Bentleys, Maseratis, and BMWs.

588 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 8:59:10am

re: #581 BongCrodny

There was a HUGE ruckus in my hometown circa 1971 or so. The graduating class chose "Imagine" as its class song, and we had letter after letter after letter in the local rag condemning the students for choosing such a commie-loving/atheistic song.

Even back then we had Neanderpthals.

The song SUCKS no matter what the lyrics are.

589 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:01:12am

re: #587 darthstar

No, they all drive Bentleys, Maseratis, and BMWs.

I was talking about the "using the corporate jet comment".

590 BongCrodny  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:03:40am

re: #588 Alouette

The song SUCKS no matter what the lyrics are.

Don't know if I'd go that far, but it certainly is the kind of song you wish Yoko would let the South Park guys make a video of.

591 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:03:51am

re: #579 darthstar

Watching and enjoying...mocking the sacrifices of the rich...priceless.

That's gonna help the budget GOP-Dem negotiations...
///

592 Gus  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:04:12am

re: #587 darthstar

No, they all drive Bentleys, Maseratis, and BMWs.

Sounds like the Gore family.

593 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:05:17am

re: #591 Rightwingconspirator

That's gonna help the budget GOP-Dem negotiations...
///

He's told the GOP they're going to eat a chunk if the negotiations fail.

594 Gus  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:05:45am

re: #591 Rightwingconspirator

That's gonna help the budget GOP-Dem negotiations...
///

Yep. I was just sitting here thinking. You know what the problem in this country is? Corporate jets.

Especially all the ones that showed up at COP15 for the global AGW gathering.

//

595 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:06:27am

re: #593 Decatur Deb

re: #594 Gus 802

Yep. I was just sitting here thinking. You know what the problem in this country is? Corporate jets.

Especially all the ones that showed up at COP15 for the global AGW gathering.

//

The class warfare meme is very unhelpful, played either way.

596 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:07:00am

I'm almost prepared for the long July 4th weekend. I have to go out and buy some fish for the grill and then I'll be all stocked up. I really try to avoid being on the road when all the amateur drunks are out.

597 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:07:26am

There are worse things than class war--like being in a class war and not knowing it.

598 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:07:33am

I just can't wait to see "millionaires and billionaires" amounting to proposed everyone over $250,000 again.

599 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:07:49am

Well, Obama has the biggest and baddest of all business jets, the VC-25A. Only the derpiest of derpophiles would assert that he doesn't need it however. He doesn't get to take a deduction on it either.

600 Gus  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:08:17am

re: #595 Rightwingconspirator

re: #594 Gus 802

The class warfare meme is very unhelpful, played either way.

I suppose. Makes even more sense to me when I see someone hire a big shot executive from JP Morgan Chase to be their chief of staff.

601 wrenchwench  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:12:22am

re: #595 Rightwingconspirator


The class warfare meme is very unhelpful, played either way.

There is more than one way to play it? I never hear the rich claiming they are winning the class war.

602 Obdicut  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:13:10am

re: #598 Rightwingconspirator

I just can't wait to see "millionaires and billionaires" amounting to proposed everyone over $250,000 again.

I'm more in favor of an infinite progressive system-- as in, the tiers increase infinitely-- rather than having the final tier at $250,000.

However, $250,000 a year in income is still a very, very large amount, comparatively.

The income disparity in this country is an enormous problem. It's not going to stop being a problem. It's accelerating. Wages are stagnating, CEO and other high officer compensation continues to rise.

603 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:14:01am

re: #600 Gus 802

Speaking of Chase, got a package in the mail from them suggesting that I refinance with them at no-cost, and that it would be essentially a paperless refi. .5 better than my existing rate. I could either reduce the term of years, or take the rate reduction, but if I take the better rate and then use the difference between the rates to pay down principal, I reduce the term to 24 years. Seems like a no-brainer since I've got all the paperwork and terms.

I'll have to ask them about whether I would get a 1% bonus for auto-deducting the mortgage monthly.

604 BongCrodny  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:14:12am

re: #599 Shiplord Kirel

Well, Obama has the biggest and baddest of all business jets, the VC-25A. Only the derpiest of derpophiles would assert that he doesn't need it however. He doesn't get to take a deduction on it either.


Obama's President, so he gets to play with the BIG toys.

If I were President, I'd be in that sucker every chance I got.

"Can I sit up here in the cockpit with you guys? Huh? Can I?"

605 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:14:58am

re: #601 wrenchwench

That gets played all kinds of ways over the years.

606 blueraven  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:15:12am

re: #598 Rightwingconspirator

I just can't wait to see "millionaires and billionaires" amounting to proposed everyone over $250,000 again.

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

Democrats want to close tax loopholes that benefit oil companies, and eliminate a tax preference that gives corporate aircraft a friendlier depreciation schedule than commercial aircraft. Additionally, Van Hollen said, Democrats were proposing to phase out tax deductions and certain credits for people making more than $500,000 a year. These would be paired with a reduction in the tax burden on lower earners, by eliminating existing limitations on their deductions.

607 laZardo  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:15:52am

Headan to bed. Enjoy the class struggle, folks. q:

608 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:16:37am

re: #602 Obdicut

For a single person in Topeka, it's a fortune. For a 2 child/teen family man single income in a major city like LA or NYC or San Francisco it's upper middle class living. If he's careful.

609 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:17:40am

re: #604 BongCrodny

Obama's President, so he gets to play with the BIG toys.

If I were President, I'd be in that sucker every chance I got.

"Can I sit up here in the cockpit with you guys? Huh? Can I?"

"Not 'til we check your shoes and underwear."

610 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:22:15am

re: #602 Obdicut

I'm more in favor of an infinite progressive system-- as in, the tiers increase infinitely-- rather than having the final tier at $250,000.

However, $250,000 a year in income is still a very, very large amount, comparatively.

The income disparity in this country is an enormous problem. It's not going to stop being a problem. It's accelerating. Wages are stagnating, CEO and other high officer compensation continues to rise.

I really like the progression on up in ijncomes. There should be a tax difference between a million and ten million in a year.

611 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:22:52am

Which TP/GOP candidates are up to a presser like this?

612 blueraven  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:24:03am

re: #611 Decatur Deb

Which TP/GOP candidates are up to a presser like this?

Excellent question.

613 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:25:31am

re: #608 Rightwingconspirator

For a single person in Topeka, it's a fortune. For a 2 child/teen family man single income in a major city like LA or NYC or San Francisco it's upper middle class living. If he's careful.

San Fran median income: $44,038
NYC median income: $22,402

$500,000 is still very wealthy.

614 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:26:04am

re: #611 Decatur Deb

Which TP/GOP candidates are up to a presser like this?

Trick questions!

615 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:27:03am

FBI Raids Iowa Woman’s Home in Lulz Security Hacker Investigation

The hacking group Lulz Security ended its 50-day reign of terror this weekend, but law enforcement’s hunt for its members will go on. Last week, FBI agents raided an Iowa woman’s home because of her connections to the group.

At about 11 am last Thursday, 29-year-old Laurelai Bailey heard a knock at her Davenport, Iowa home. She found around eight FBI agents swarming at her doorstep, search warrant in hand. But the agents politely “told me they weren’t there to arrest me,” Bailey tells us in an interview.

Instead, they had some questions about hackers Bailey had been hanging out with online. They told Bailey they were investigating a February attack against the security firm HBGary by an elite group of hackers associated with the hacktivist collective Anonymous. Those hackers would later break away from Anonymous to form Lulz Security, who attacked the FBI, PBS, and the CIA in a well-publicized spree before calling it quits this weekend amid increasing pressure and the arrest of a purported member in England.

Meanwhile...

'Anonymous' hackers declare war on Orlando

The hacker group Anonymous on Monday declared war against the city of Orlando, Florida, over the arrest of people handing out food to homeless people, according to a report in The Washington Post.

In a press release, the group announced the creation of "Operation Orlando" over the city's treatment of the Food Not Bombs group.

The Orlando Sentinel reported that what started as a spat over distributing food without a permit in a park had escalated, with Mayor Buddy Dyer describing the activists charged with the misdemeanor offense as "food terrorists."

616 Obdicut  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:29:02am

re: #608 Rightwingconspirator

For a single person in Topeka, it's a fortune. For a 2 child/teen family man single income in a major city like LA or NYC or San Francisco it's upper middle class living. If he's careful.

No, I'm sorry, this is not true. I'm a married man living in NYC, in one of the most expensive parts of it. My wife and I combined make about 100K a year. We live very nicely in New York on that amount. If we had two kids-- and the attendant tax credits-- and another 150K a year, we'd be living even better. There are deductions, you know, for having kids. If you run the income calculator assuming just 10,000 in child related expenses and take deductions for the 2 kids, with no other deductions, you're keeping 160,000K. That puts you in the top 3% of Americans. If that's upper middle class, then you're proving my point-- the income disparity in this country is totally out of hand. Even if you hire a full-time nanny and pay $3000 a month for an apartment, you have $84,000 a year left over after that. That's still more than double the median income in NYC.

250K is a big amount, no matter where you are. Not to mention that living in Manhattan is a huge privilege and it's something that you're paying for for that cost of living. Likewise in San Francisco. It's not just a cost. You get something for that.

617 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:33:45am

re: #615 NJDhockeyfan

"Food Terrorism of the Loaves and Fishes".

618 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:33:46am

re: #611 Decatur Deb

Which TP/GOP candidates are up to a presser like this?

Ah, I almost forgot about Rudy. He could do it.

619 Four More Tears  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:34:56am

re: #613 Killgore Trout

San Fran median income: $44,038
NYC median income: $22,402

$500,000 is still very wealthy.

I think you need to limit NYC to Manhattan for that comment.

620 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:34:56am

re: #618 Killgore Trout

Ah, I almost forgot about Rudy. He could do it.

Wearing a Scott AirPak, waving a flag.

621 Obdicut  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:35:03am

I think the housing bubble and house prices have wildly distorted people's idea of what it means to be wealthy in this country.

622 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:35:29am

re: #613 Killgore Trout

Okay BUT that's twice what we have seen proposed as the lower limit for an increase. Parse the tax chart anyway we want, but it's not easy to square up the rhetoric of "millionaires and billionaires" with incomes far, below that and upside down $ value homes.

And I must say I really object to the foolish and obstructionist focus on the "Bush Tax Cuts". How about unburdening the tax revenues discussion of that entirely and starting to look at the tax code from an actuarial perspective rather than a "gotcha" partisan motive. (and yeah i want a pony too) :-)>

From Forbes
Higher income tax rates. The administration proposed allowing the Bush tax cuts for the top two brackets to expire at the end of 2010, just as I--and many others--had predicted it would. That means the top two rates on ordinary income go back up in 2011 to 36% and 39.6%, from 33% and 35% now. (One particular is a little ugly however: the mother of all marriage penalties. The higher rates kick in at $200,000 for a single individual and $250,000 for a married couple filing jointly.)

623 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:37:27am

re: #621 Obdicut

Has anyone tallied up the numbers of ex millionaires? That might be pretty illustrative of the current state of the "rich".

624 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:37:49am

re: #616 Obdicut

If we had two kids-- and the attendant tax credits-

Tax credit would be $2,000 (dollar for dollar) total

[Link: www.irs.gov...]


Thats a few pairs of good shoes and a years worth of cell phone usage for them

625 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:39:12am

re: #528 Alouette

And grapes get crushed, thrashed, and squeezed to suck every last drop of their precious bodily fluids to then be fermented and aged until it becomes the elixir of the gods.

Oh, and for ice wines, you have to first freeze the bejeebus out of those same grapes before grabbing them from the vines, crushing, thrashing, and squeezing their precious bodily fluids to then be fermented and aged until it becomes the elixir of the gods.

626 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:39:46am

re: #596 Killgore Trout

I'm almost prepared for the long July 4th weekend. I have to go out and buy some fish for the grill and then I'll be all stocked up. I really try to avoid being on the road when all the amateur drunks are out.

Yeah ,, they should get off the road and let us PROFESSIONAL drunks have at it!

627 Obdicut  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:40:04am

re: #619 JasonA

Manhattan's median income is 'only' 40K as well, if I recall correctly.

But very few people have to live in Manhattan. I happen to have to, since my wife is in med school at Cornell/SloanKettering/Rockefeller and needs to be there at all hours. So we have to be. But even so, I appreciate the value of living in Manhattan. I'm three blocks from the 92nd street Y now, which is just freaking awesome.

628 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:40:09am

dammit

629 Obdicut  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:40:37am

re: #623 Rightwingconspirator

Has anyone tallied up the numbers of ex millionaires? That might be pretty illustrative of the current state of the "rich".

Why on earth would that be illustrative?

630 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:40:57am

re: #596 Killgore Trout

I'm almost prepared for the long July 4th weekend. I have to go out and buy some fish for the grill and then I'll be all stocked up. I really try to avoid being on the road when all the amateur drunks are out.


Yeah ,, they should get off the road and let us PROFESSIONAL drunks have at it!

(mulligan)

631 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:41:47am

re: #616 Obdicut
Okay I'll just back up a bit to this-as I said earlier
It's pretty hard to square Obamas "millionaires and billionaires" and this.
The higher rates kick in at $200,000 for a single individual and $250,000 for a married couple filing jointly.)

632 Obdicut  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:42:53am

re: #624 sattv4u2

That's just the credit, and doesn't include the deduction for dependents, though.

633 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:43:46am

Adm. McRaven: Obama administration has no plan for captured terrorists

The top military official involved in the raid that killed Osama bin Laden said Tuesday that the Obama administration has no clear plan for handling suspected terrorist leaders if they are caught alive outside a war zone.

Vice Adm. William H. McRaven told a Senate panel that contingency plans for detaining terrorism suspects are developed on an ad hoc basis and approved by the White House, but that there are no set rules. “That is always a difficult issue for us,” he testified. “No two cases seem to be alike.”

In response to senators’ questions, McRaven said that “in many cases” suspects captured in secret operations by Navy SEALs or the Army’s Delta Force are taken to a U.S. Navy ship until they can be tried in a U.S. court or transferred to the custody of an allied country. But if neither option turns out to be feasible, the prisoner is ultimately let go, he said.

“If we can’t do either one of those, then we will release that individual,” McRaven said in response to a question from Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.). “I mean, that becomes the unenviable option, but it is an option.”

Captured terrorists are just let go? Really?!?!?!

634 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:44:09am

re: #629 Obdicut

I can not answer that well until I have the number, and so far my Google has not helped. Workin' on it. But in the abstract (and maybe out on a limb)-Seeing how many families lost that millionaire status should be helpful in considering some of the fine print in the new tax numbers.

635 allegro  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:44:16am

re: #631 Rightwingconspirator

Okay I'll just back up a bit to this-as I said earlier
It's pretty hard to square Obamas "millionaires and billionaires" and this.
The higher rates kick in at $200,000 for a single individual and $250,000 for a married couple filing jointly.)

If someone is making $250,000 a year and isn't a millionaire (net worth), that someone is doing it wrong.

636 Obdicut  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:44:35am

re: #631 Rightwingconspirator

Well, income and wealth are related but not the same. Someone with a 250K income may well be a millionaire, or they might not be.

637 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:44:47am

re: #632 Obdicut

That's just the credit, and doesn't include the deduction for dependents, though.

Yup,, another $3,650

CONGRATS,,, you just bought the kid some clothes (they do grow out of them you know ,, FAST! )

638 blueraven  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:45:00am

re: #631 Rightwingconspirator

Okay I'll just back up a bit to this-as I said earlier
It's pretty hard to square Obamas "millionaires and billionaires" and this.
The higher rates kick in at $200,000 for a single individual and $250,000 for a married couple filing jointly.)

Well as you know that didn't happen. The Bush tax cuts were extended, so now another approach is on the table.

639 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:45:14am

re: #633 NJDhockeyfan

Adm. McRaven: Obama administration has no plan for captured terrorists

Captured terrorists are just let go? Really?!?!?!

No, not really.

640 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:45:55am

re: #631 Rightwingconspirator

Okay I'll just back up a bit to this-as I said earlier
It's pretty hard to square Obamas "millionaires and billionaires" and this.
The higher rates kick in at $200,000 for a single individual and $250,000 for a married couple filing jointly.)

If those families lose 6-9% of their income over 200,000 it will marginally affect their ability to accumulate wealth. If a Habitat homeowner loses 6%, if affects his ability to accumulate food.

641 Obdicut  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:45:56am

re: #634 Rightwingconspirator

I'm still not getting it. Why is it interesting to look at the number of ex-millionaires? Do you just mean people who, on paper, were millionaires during the housing bubble and are no longer? What does that have to do with income tax?

642 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:46:06am

re: #635 allegro

You are assuming a number of years at that income. With all due respect to corporate CEO wages, lots of folks no longer make the big dollars. Or the income is erratic, as say maybe real estate commissions can vary one year to another.

643 Lidane  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:46:15am

re: #633 NJDhockeyfan

Adm. McRaven: Obama administration has no plan for captured terrorists

Captured terrorists are just let go? Really?!?!?!

Because Gitmo doesn't exist, of course.

644 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:46:53am

re: #641 Obdicut

Did you see the part where I said I could not answer that well until I had the number?

645 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:47:36am

re: #633 NJDhockeyfan

Adm. McRaven: Obama administration has no plan for captured terrorists

Captured terrorists are just let go? Really?!?!?!

OBL was let go from a Navy ship.

646 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:47:40am

Fox Headline: Obama's Debt Reduction plan: Tax Hikes

647 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:48:30am

re: #645 Decatur Deb

OBL was let go from a Navy ship.

lol

648 Obdicut  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:48:41am

re: #637 sattv4u2

If you're spending $3,650 a year on clothes for your kids, I have no idea what to say. That's a mindbogglingly wasteful amount to me. I think that'd be somewhere around 3 times the national average, if I remember our Target figures right.

649 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:49:21am

re: #646 Killgore Trout

Fox Headline: Obama's Debt Reduction plan: Tax Hikes

iirc, the proposal is not to raise tax rates, rather to eliminate some things that are tax deductions

MEANING,, in the end, you'll be at the same "rate" (percentage wise) but in real dollars will pay more due to less deductions

650 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:50:27am

re: #648 Obdicut

If you're spending $3,650 a year on clothes for your kids, I have no idea what to say. That's a mindbogglingly wasteful amount to me. I think that'd be somewhere around 3 times the national average, if I remember our Target figures right.

waytomissthepoint

You were touting all the tax credits for having kid(s)

I pointed out it totals less than 5K

If you think you can raise a kid on 5K, have at it

651 Obdicut  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:51:25am

re: #644 Rightwingconspirator

Did you see the part where I said I could not answer that well until I had the number?

I just don't get what you think it'll even mean.

What I'm saying:

The wealth disparity in this country has increased wildly over the past few decades. It shows absolutely no signs of slowing down. Both in terms of wealth held, and income earned, the gaps are growing. This si a problem. It is not showing any signs of going away or being ameliorated.

I am not arguing any particular solution to this problem, though I do personally feel I could shoulder quite a bit higher a tax burden and do just fine. I think most others making the level of income I am or above me could, as well-- certainly they could do so better than single mothers can afford to lose out on the food programs that we've been cutting recently.

However, my main point is: This wealth disparity exists, and it's getting worse. This is a factual observation.

652 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:53:01am

WTF?

Rep. Kucinich's Syria visit raises eyebrows

Rep. Dennis Kucinich showed up in Syria this week and held a press conference in which he appeared to praise embattled Syrian President Bashar al-Assad — who is ruthlessly crushing opposition to his government — as “highly loved and appreciated by the Syrians.”

But the Ohio Democrat released a statement Tuesday saying he was misquoted by Syrian media.

...Syrian state media quoted Kucinich as saying during the press conference, “President Bashar al-Assad cares so much about what is taking place in Syria, which is evident in his effort towards a new Syria and everybody who meets him can be certain of this.”

...“A story written about my remarks by the Syrian Arab News Agency unfortunately mistranslated several of my statements and did not reflect my direct quotes. Arab-speaking friends accompanying me have explained that the problem may have come from a mistranslation as well as the degree of appreciation and affection their state-sponsored media has for President Assad,” Kucinich said in the statement.

However, the Ohio Congressman did not rush to blame Syrian state-run media, saying in the same statement that the mistranslations were “unfortunate [but] … not a willful intent to mischaracterize my statements or my efforts in the region.”

654 Obdicut  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:53:18am

re: #650 sattv4u2

Your point might make sense if I'd either said that you could raise a kid on 5K a year (which, obviously, you can, given how many people at income levels around 20K a year manage to pull it off) or that having kids didn't cost more money than it was worse in tax benefits.

655 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:54:07am

re: #654 Obdicut

Your point might make sense if I'd either said that you could raise a kid on 5K a year (which, obviously, you can, given how many people at income levels around 20K a year manage to pull it off) or that having kids didn't cost more money than it was worse in tax benefits.

with a lil help from Uncle Sam, yes

656 Obdicut  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:54:29am

re: #652 NJDhockeyfan

That's kind of weird. He obviously is saying it's the state media's fault, and yet that article claims he's not blaming the state media.

657 Obdicut  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:54:45am

re: #655 sattv4u2

with a lil help from Uncle Sam, yes

Such as what?

658 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:58:20am

re: #657 Obdicut

Such as what?

WIC
To be eligible on the basis of income, applicants’ income must fall at or below 185
percent of the U.S. Poverty Income Guidelines (currently $40,793 for a family of four).

Medicare

SCHIP programs

659 blueraven  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:58:27am

re: #650 sattv4u2

waytomissthepoint

You were touting all the tax credits for having kid(s)

I pointed out it totals less than 5K

If you think you can raise a kid on 5K, have at it

I dont think the point is to provide all the money it takes to raise a child, but rather to offset some of the difference for families with children.

660 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 9:58:45am

re: #659 blueraven

I dont think the point is to provide all the money it takes to raise a child, but rather to offset some of the difference for families with children.

true

661 sattv4u2  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 10:01:41am

errands
chores
life

ugh!

662 Obdicut  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 10:08:38am

re: #658 sattv4u2

I'm glad you acknowledge the need for assistance for the poor; however, that amount varies from state to state-- in california, it's only 130% of the poverty line. So if you made $25,000 a year, and had a kid, you'd be ineligible.

Kids cost money to raise; that's a cost that people making 250K a year can shoulder a hell of a lot easier than those make 25K a year.

Kind of obvious.

663 BongCrodny  Wed, Jun 29, 2011 12:42:29pm

The USDA reports that it costs around $225,000 to raise a child if born in 2010.

That's roughly $13,000 a year through age 18.

If you're earning $250,000 per year, that's about two weeks' take-home pay.


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