White Supremacists Running for Political Office in 2012

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Since the election of Barack Obama, America’s white supremacists have been popping up on right wing blogs and discussion forums more and more frequently. One of the worst recent examples (out of many): Fox News Commenters Respond to Common Story with Deluge of Racism and Hate. You can see thousands of these Neanderthals spewing hatred at all the top right wing websites; Hot Air, Free Republic, Fox Nation, Fox News, townhall.com, etc.

But it’s actually getting even worse. Today at the Daily Beast, Eve Conant has a disturbing article on the increasing number of White Supremacists Running for Political Office in 2012.

Add to the growing list of candidates considering a bid for the GOP presidential nomination in 2012 America’s most famous white-power advocate: David Duke.

A former grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, member of the Louisiana House of Representatives and Republican executive-committee chairman in his district until 2000, Duke has a significant following online. His videos go viral. This month, he’s launching a tour of 25 states to explore how much support he can garner for a potential presidential bid. He hasn’t considered running for serious office since the early ’90s, when he won nearly 40 percent of the vote in his bid for Louisiana governor. But like many “white civil rights advocates,” as he describes himself to The Daily Beast, 2012 is already shaping up to be a pivotal year.

Former (and current) Neo Nazis, Ku Klux Klan members, neo-Confederates, and other representatives of the many wings of the “white nationalist” movement are starting to file paperwork and print campaign literature for offices large and small, pointing to rising unemployment, four years with an African-American president, and rampant illegal immigration as part of a growing mound of evidence that white people need to take a stand.

Most aren’t winning—not yet. But they’re drawing levels of support that surprise and alarm groups that keep tabs on the white-power movement (members prefer the terms “racial realist” or “white nationalist”).

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267 comments
1 Iwouldprefernotto  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:21:47am

Two steps forward, one step back.

Sad, but we will get through this.

2 efuseakay  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:24:27am

But… but… ROBERT BYRD! That’s proof only Dems are racist scum!

//

3 makeitstop  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:25:08am

Man, they’ll let anybody into that Big Tent, won’t they?
/

4 Kragar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:26:13am

I bet they get the loving support of their local tea parties.

5 allegro  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:28:45am

I hope it’s not Pollyana wishful thinking that the more exposure these douchebiscuits get the more that the general population will recoil in horror and make it very clear that this racist crap is just not acceptable.

6 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:29:50am

Maybe this will “wake-up” the base. I think so many of the GOP rank-n-file really don’t get what has happened in the Party. Conservatives don’t like change and are often slow to realize it has happened.

7 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:30:09am

On a related note, it’s amusing watching a civil war develop between Pamela Geller and her fellow skin jobs.

8 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:30:31am

re: #5 allegro

I hope it’s not Pollyana wishful thinking that the more exposure these douchebiscuits get the more that the general population will recoil in horror and make it very clear that this racist crap is just not acceptable.

it’s not acceptable in some states, in others, it seems to be warming up

9 engineer cat  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:30:52am

Late last week the Times corrected its Breitbart-fed Sherrod error. But there’s an important point that blogger Brad Friedman highlighted last night. In publishing its correction, and specifically how an NAACP audience responded to a tale Sherrod told, the Times amendment conceded that Breitbart misled the paper. But if you now read the body of the story that’s been changed to reflect the correction, the Times seems to go out of its way to suggest Breitbart had not misled the newspaper.

as we all know, it’s very important to be scrupulously fair to sociopaths who lie shamelessly and laugh at us as they manipulate our unvarying and highly reliable reflex to be scrupulously fair

10 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:31:51am

re: #9 engineer dog

Late last week the Times corrected its Breitbart-fed Sherrod error. But there’s an important point that blogger Brad Friedman highlighted last night. In publishing its correction, and specifically how an NAACP audience responded to a tale Sherrod told, the Times amendment conceded that Breitbart misled the paper. But if you now read the body of the story that’s been changed to reflect the correction, the Times seems to go out of its way to suggest Breitbart had not misled the newspaper.

as we all know, it’s very important to be scrupulously fair to sociopaths who lie shamelessly and laugh at us as they manipulate our unvarying and highly reliable reflex to be scrupulously fair

////But he was right about Rep Wiener so that means he is a trustworthy news source!

11 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:33:14am

re: #9 engineer dog

Late last week the Times corrected its Breitbart-fed Sherrod error. But there’s an important point that blogger Brad Friedman highlighted last night. In publishing its correction, and specifically how an NAACP audience responded to a tale Sherrod told, the Times amendment conceded that Breitbart misled the paper. But if you now read the body of the story that’s been changed to reflect the correction, the Times seems to go out of its way to suggest Breitbart had not misled the newspaper.

as we all know, it’s very important to be scrupulously fair to sociopaths who lie shamelessly and laugh at us as they manipulate our unvarying and highly reliable reflex to be scrupulously fair

sociopaths still have civil rights. …

12 thatthatisis  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:35:34am

re: #5 allegro

I hope it’s not Pollyana wishful thinking that the more exposure these douchebiscuits get the more that the general population will recoil in horror and make it very clear that this racist crap is just not acceptable.

But there won’t be any racist rants to recoil from. It’s not that black people are taking white jobs, but that the President has killed the economy. And Obama is a socialist who wants to redistribute wealth. And “they” are against the common working man. And “they” want [fill in nasty name for gays] to have more rights than “us”, and “they” want to have a war against Christians. And “they” are real Americans who share the values of our exceptional country.

This is the new mask of the new racist, an agenda hidden behind economic anxiety and cloaked in the terms of xenophobia.

13 Alexzander  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:37:49am

re: #7 goddamnedfrank

On a related note, it’s amusing watching a civil war develop between Pamela Geller and her fellow skin jobs.

I haven’t been following; can you give the highlights?

14 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:38:58am

Jury Reaches Verdict in Casey Anthony Murder Trial

Blared across my tv.

15 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:39:19am

re: #7 goddamnedfrank

On a related note, it’s amusing watching a civil war develop between Pamela Geller and her fellow skin jobs.

Upding for Blade Runner reference.

16 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:39:30am

re: #14 Varek Raith

Jury Reaches Verdict in Casey Anthony Murder Trial

Blared across my tv.

Reading at 2:15

17 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:40:13am

re: #12 thatthatisis

But there won’t be any racist rants to recoil from. It’s not that black people are taking white jobs, but that the President has killed the economy. And Obama is a socialist who wants to redistribute wealth. And “they” are against the common working man. And “they” want [fill in nasty name for gays] to have more rights than “us”, and “they” want to have a war against Christians. And “they” are real Americans who share the values of our exceptional country.

This is the new mask of the new racist, an agenda hidden behind economic anxiety and cloaked in the terms of xenophobia.

Because it is xenophobia. It doesn’t matter what color you are or what religion if you don’t walk their walk, you ARE DIFFERENT. Your hair is the wrong color, you wear jewelry in the wrong places, whatever makes them feel scared.

18 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:40:47am

re: #16 Cannadian Club Akbar

Reading at 2:15

verdict: The whole family is fooking bat-shit crazy.

19 allegro  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:41:56am

re: #12 thatthatisis

But there won’t be any racist rants to recoil from. It’s not that black people are taking white jobs, but that the President has killed the economy. And Obama is a socialist who wants to redistribute wealth. And “they” are against the common working man. And “they” want [fill in nasty name for gays] to have more rights than “us”, and “they” want to have a war against Christians. And “they” are real Americans who share the values of our exceptional country.

This is the new mask of the new racist, an agenda hidden behind economic anxiety and cloaked in the terms of xenophobia.

Oh, I agree that this has been the approach until now. David Duke cannot hide behind this rhetoric though, nor would he want to. He’s proud of his racism and so are those who elevate him, like the members of the very open white supremist clubs. Like ggt, I’m hoping that this mask very publicly and obviously coming off the party will alert those GOP voters who haven’t yet figured it out.

20 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:43:24am

They are raising the bar for what is considered “racist”. Right now they are basically saying anything short of lynching is just “racial realism”.

21 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:44:09am

Much of the Republican Party wants to go back to Jim Crow, at least that’s the way I see it.

It also explains the emphasis on “state’s rights,” “local governance,” and “small-town values.”

22 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:44:27am

re: #14 Varek Raith

Our long national nightmare will soon be over. The jury has reached a verdict in the Casey Anthony case.

23 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:45:11am

re: #21 ProLifeLiberal

Much of the Republican Party wants to go back to Jim Crow, at least that’s the way I see it.

It also explains the emphasis on “state’s rights,” “local governance,” and “small-town values.”

They don’t see it that way and many would be very hurt if you said that to them. Small imaginations is my diagnosis. They can’t see that Ozzie and Harriet was fiction. That world never existed.

24 Kragar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:45:31am

Tea Party Nation Condemns “Non-European” Immigration


Eliana Benador, the neoconservative PR agent who lost her outlet in the Washington Times after she speculated that former congressman Anthony Weiner may have converted to Islam, now has a new outlet: the Tea Party Nation. In her column for the tea party group that once lamented that America is facing white “extinction,” Benador blames immigrants from “non-European nations” for much of the country’s social ills. She claims that such non-European immigration was responsible for President Obama’s election and claims that the U.S. should consider revoking First Amendment protections for religions (most likely Islam) that she deems inherently violent:
25 Kragar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:47:48am

re: #23 ggt

They don’t see it that way and many would be very hurt if you said that to them. Small imaginations is my diagnosis. They can’t see that Ozzie and Harriet was fiction. That world never existed.

I have it on good authority that Ward was hard on the Beaver though.

26 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:48:28am

re: #24 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Tea Party Nation Condemns “Non-European” Immigration

I love when people talk about revoking the First Amendment. Wonder what gives them the right to say that. Fucking stoopid should burn.

27 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:48:43am

It’s all those Eddie Haskells we are letting in that are being a bad influence on the Beav.

28 allegro  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:50:51am

re: #24 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Tea Party Nation Condemns “Non-European” Immigration

She claims that such non-European immigration was responsible for President Obama’s election and claims that the U.S. should consider revoking First Amendment protections for religions (most likely Islam) that she deems inherently violent:

So she wants to see Christianity STFU by law? This is the primary source of religious violence in the US after all.

29 thatthatisis  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:50:58am

re: #24 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I had never heard of Eliana Benador, but was curious because of her name. So I googled her.

And I find that this person complaining of non-European immigrants, was born in Peru. You just can’t make this stuff up.

30 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:51:02am

re: #23 ggt

I have no such thing as mercy here. I’m blunt, and this is what I see.

To a point I do what to hurt these people emotionally. My history with Republicans has been painful, to a point.re:

#25 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

This proves my point.

31 Kronocide  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:51:03am

re: #5 allegro

I hope it’s not Pollyana wishful thinking that the more exposure these douchebiscuits get the more that the general population will recoil in horror and make it very clear that this racist crap is just not acceptable.

I hope so as well. But the impact the very serious recession had on the populace cannot be discounted: in good times I don’t think as much credence would be given to as much nutters. No dismissing the very real underlying racism coming forth, but I think it’s been helped to the top by the hard times.

Our society stubbed it’s toe pretty good and the ugly side of us came to the top.

32 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:51:25am

re: #27 ralphieboy

It’s all those Eddie Haskells we are letting in that are being a bad influence on the Beav.

That would be the gist of it.

Never mind that African-Americans still could not vote in many places while Ozzie and Harriet was being aired. Never mind that women still didn’t get into medical school or that … .well you get it.

Life has never been simple.

33 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:51:50am

re: #29 thatthatisis


lots of european immigrants in peru

34 Kragar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:53:08am

re: #28 allegro

So she wants to see Christianity STFU by law? This is the primary source of religious violence in the US after all.

But what do you mean?

Brian Fischer: ‘I Have Never Seen A Christian Treat A Homosexual With Hatred’

35 engineer cat  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:53:26am

it’s from fox news, so you know it must really be true - no matter what the facts are…

Obama Campaign Rejects Claim Biden May Be Replaced by Cuomo on 2012 Ticket

36 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:53:34am

re: #32 ggt

I’m far too cynical on conservative politics to think that.

37 allegro  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:54:11am

re: #34 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But what do you mean?

Brian Fischer: ‘I Have Never Seen A Christian Treat A Homosexual With Hatred’

W.T.F. *thud*

38 Kragar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:54:27am

re: #32 ggt

That would be the gist of it.

Never mind that African-Americans still could not vote in many places while Ozzie and Harriet was being aired. Never mind that women still didn’t get into medical school or that … .well you get it.

Life has never been simple.

But going to medical school would interfere with her womanly duties.
/

39 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:54:37am

re: #35 engineer dog

it’s from fox news, so you know it must really be true - no matter what the facts are…

Obama Campaign Rejects Claim Biden May Be Replaced by Cuomo on 2012 Ticket

Damn it, now I’m in the awkward position of being out $5 if Fox isn’t wrong! (I bet Wrench Wench $5 that barring some serious medical problem Obama will keep Biden as VP)

40 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:54:49am

re: #34 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But what do you mean?

Brian Fischer: ‘I Have Never Seen A Christian Treat A Homosexual With Hatred’

What about someone claiming to be a “Christian”?

41 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:55:15am

re: #34 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But what do you mean?

Brian Fischer: ‘I Have Never Seen A Christian Treat A Homosexual With Hatred’

Conclusion: Fisher owns no mirrors.

42 Kronocide  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:56:12am

I have never seen Brian Fischer act like a Christian. So he can go blow a dinosaur.

43 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:56:55am

This is what I don’t get.

Violence committed in the name of Christianity —the Bryan Fishers of the world will say “That person wasn’t a true Christian.”

Violence committed in the name of Islam — the Bryan Fishers of the world will blame Islam.

Some Animals are more Equal than Others. …

44 darthstar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:58:05am

re: #42 BigPapa

I have never seen Brian Fischer act like a Christian. So he can go blow a dinosaur.

It’s only a matter of time until we discover that Brian is a fisher of men.

45 Kragar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:58:19am

re: #43 ggt

Some Animals are more Equal than Others… .

And some are total Koch-suckers

46 Kragar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:59:05am

re: #44 darthstar

It’s only a matter of time until we discover that Brian is a fisher of men.

That hardcore eastern European gay military porn is research, dammit!

47 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 10:59:33am

re: #43 ggt

Violence committed in the name of Islam — the Bryan Fishers of the world will blame Islam.

It goes beyond that: Muslims living peacefully and tolerating others: not “true” Muslims. Only those who hate and kill are “true” Muslims.

I find it interesting that they share the same viewpoint as the fundamentalist mullahs of the world. Proof that twisted minds think alike, they just have different focuses of attention.

48 engineer cat  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:00:37am

re: #39 jamesfirecat

Damn it, now I’m in the awkward position of being out $5 if Fox isn’t wrong! (I bet Wrench Wench $5 that barring some serious medical problem Obama will keep Biden as VP)

i think as a matter of standard campaign strategery you don’t dump the vp unless there’s a problem

49 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:01:33am

re: #47 ralphieboy

It goes beyond that: Muslims living peacefully and tolerating others: not “true” Muslims. Only those who hate and kill are “true” Muslims.

I find it interesting that they share the same viewpoint as the fundamentalist mullahs of the world. Proof that twisted minds think alike, they just have different focuses of attention.

In their minds it’s a race to Theocracy. Theirs or Islam.

zero-sum gamers.

50 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:02:13am

re: #49 ggt

In their minds it’s a race to Theocracy. Theirs or Islam.

zero-sum gamers.


We must remind ourselves that the true “clash of cultures” is not Christianity vs. Islam, it is fundamentalism vs enlightenment.

51 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:02:25am

re: #47 ralphieboy

It goes beyond that: Muslims living peacefully and tolerating others: not “true” Muslims. Only those who hate and kill are “true” Muslims.

I find it interesting that they share the same viewpoint as the fundamentalist mullahs of the world. Proof that twisted minds think alike, they just have different focuses of attention.

They have the same focus of attention: Power.

52 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:02:58am

re: #50 ralphieboy

We must remind ourselves that the true “clash of cultures” is not Christianity vs. Islam, it is fundamentalism vs enlightenment.

I nominate that for today’s rotating title.

53 darthstar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:03:10am

re: #50 ralphieboy

We must remind ourselves that the true “clash of cultures” is not Christianity vs. Islam, it is fundamentalism vs enlightenment.

I always thought it was Ford vs. Chevy.

54 engineer cat  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:03:31am

re: #50 ralphieboy

We must remind ourselves that the true “clash of cultures” is not Christianity vs. Islam, it is fundamentalism vs enlightenment.

i cheated and turned to the back of the book to see what the ending will be

55 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:03:34am

I’ve had a very odd morning. I learned that my landlady died, and I found out more about her than I ever knew while she was alive (she lived in another state and I never met her). She had been mayor of a very wealthy community for twenty years. Her successor asked the police chief to arrest any black people who set foot in the town, and to never arrest residents, even for DUI. The chief quit, the court case is pending.

My landlady had some fascist tendencies of her own, but I won’t go into those. She lost at the Supreme Court.

All I knew is she was a nice little old lady I spoke with once in a while on the phone.

56 darthstar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:03:51am

re: #54 engineer dog

i cheated and turned to the back of the book to see what the ending will be

It was the sled.

57 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:05:11am

re: #56 darthstar

It was the sled.

Rosebud!

58 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:05:26am

re: #56 darthstar

It was the sled.

No you fool, the zebra did it!

59 Kragar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:05:35am

re: #56 darthstar

It was the sled.

Rebecca Gayheart was the killer the whole time.

60 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:06:10am

Colonel Mustard in the study with the lead pipe

61 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:06:20am

Gollum dies in the end.

62 Kragar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:06:44am

Well, here is an excuse you don’t hear very often.

Rapist Uses the All-Too-Rare ‘I Thought She Was Dead’ Excuse

63 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:07:02am

Bruce Willis was dead for the entire movie.

64 Kragar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:07:06am

re: #60 ralphieboy

Colonel Mustard in the study with the lead pipe

Again with the porn…

65 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:08:50am

re: #62 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, here is an excuse you don’t hear very often.

Rapist Uses the All-Too-Rare ‘I Thought She Was Dead’ Excuse

Missouri has no law against necrophilia? I did not know that.

Strange, the rapist seemed to know that.

66 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:09:53am

re: #65 ggt

Missouri has no law against necrophilia? I did not know that.

Strange, the rapist seemed to know that.


I expect his lawyers advised him on that defense.

But unless there was a death certificate issued, he has no case.

67 nines09  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:10:39am

Does the Tea Party Nation have an armband yet? They are getting close to that realm.
Seems like only yesterday…..

68 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:10:45am

re: #66 ralphieboy

I expect his lawyers advised him on that defense.

But unless there was a death certificate issued, he has no case.

Strange lawyers, really?

69 Kragar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:11:15am

re: #67 nines09

Does the Tea Party Nation have an armband yet? They are getting close to that realm.
Seems like only yesterday…

Perhaps they can form a bund.

70 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:12:01am

re: #69 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Perhaps they can form a bund.

what is a “bund”?

71 iossarian  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:12:27am

re: #63 Cannadian Club Akbar

Bruce Willis was dead for the entire movie.

YOU BASTARD!

72 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:12:46am

never mind, I wiki’d it.

73 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:12:54am

re: #70 ggt

what is a “bund”?

Union.

74 Kronocide  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:12:58am

Post 3 of this thread invoked a ‘Big Tent’ joke already.

I’m sure the GOP didn’t want it so big it allowed Wayatt Suptardinists in dat dere Big Tent.

75 SidewaysQuark  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:13:39am

re: #3 makeitstop

Man, they’ll let anybody into that Big Tent, won’t they?
/

As long as you oppose abortion, gay rights, atheism, any form of Islam, labor unions, and teaching evolution in public schools, yes.

76 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:14:26am

re: #74 BigPapa

Post 3 of this thread invoked a ‘Big Tent’ joke already.

I’m sure the GOP didn’t want it so big it allowed Wayatt Suptardinists in dat dere Big Tent.

GOP wants votes. They don’t care where they come from. Kinda like Chicago Politicians —“living or dead, we don’t care.” :)

I don’t know about the undead :)

77 Kragar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:15:05am

re: #73 Varek Raith

Union.

They’re an American tradition.

German American Bund

78 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:15:16am

The GOP does not understand the damage it is doing to itself by letting itself be identified as a party of race, or associated with people for whom race is a major factor in their politics. Bad tactics in a country where the non-white population is growing.

And moaning about it and complaining about “non-Europeans” will not change things much, either.

79 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:15:32am

re: #75 SidewaysQuark

As long as you oppose abortion, gay rights, atheism, any form of Islam, labor unions, and teaching evolution in public schools, yes.

No,no, these rules only apply to people outside the Party. Or anyone they want to purge.

80 allegro  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:16:04am

re: #62 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, here is an excuse you don’t hear very often.

Rapist Uses the All-Too-Rare ‘I Thought She Was Dead’ Excuse

Oh good grief, that is an image I did not EVER want in my head.

81 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:17:05am

re: #80 allegro

Oh good grief, that is an image I did not EVER want in my head.

I”m sure the Lizards can come-up with more.

82 aagcobb  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:17:16am

re: #48 engineer dog

i think as a matter of standard campaign strategery you don’t dump the vp unless there’s a problem

They would need Biden to state that he informed the President that he had decided not to run again so he could “spend more time with his grandkids” or some such drivel.

83 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:17:47am

re: #82 aagcobb

They would need Biden to state that he informed the President that he had decided not to run again so he could “spend more time with his grandkids” or some such drivel.

or he was invited to go on Dancing with the Stars and needed time to train.

84 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:17:51am

Casey Anthony…
1st degree murder not guilty

85 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:17:57am

re: #80 allegro

Oh good grief, that is an image I did not EVER want in my head.


To undertakers driving along in the hearse. Asks the first,

“Wanna stop off for a cold one?”

86 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:18:04am

re: #84 Cannadian Club Akbar

Casey Anthony…
1st degree murder not guilty

Count 2..no

87 Ericus58  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:18:07am

OMG….

88 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:18:20am

re: #86 Cannadian Club Akbar

Count 2..no

manslaughter no

89 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:18:23am

Not guilty.
Most intriguing.
In a WTF kind of way.

90 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:18:38am

re: #88 Cannadian Club Akbar

manslaughter no

lying to cops guilty

91 RogueOne  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:18:52am

re: #89 Varek Raith

Not guilty.
Most intriguing.
In a WTF kind of way.

I almost wish I had been paying attention to the case.

92 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:19:05am

re: #90 Cannadian Club Akbar

lying to cops guilty

lying to cops guilty again 2nd count

93 RogueOne  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:19:16am

re: #90 Cannadian Club Akbar

lying to cops guilty

Which is why you never speak to the police.

94 Kragar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:19:18am

re: #81 ggt

I”m sure the Lizards can come-up with more.

Helen Thomas and Micheal Moore recreating the beach scene from ” From Here to Eternity” in the nude using IMAX cameras.

95 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:19:25am

re: #92 Cannadian Club Akbar

lying to cops guilty again 2nd count

3rd lying to cops guilty

96 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:19:44am

re: #95 Cannadian Club Akbar

3rd lying to cops guilty

4th lying to cops guilty

97 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:20:01am

So…
Uh…
Yeah, whatever.

98 Kragar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:20:14am

re: #93 RogueOne

Which is why you never speak to the police.

Plead the fifth is a wonderful thing.

99 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:20:35am

Dead baby. No one held accountable.

100 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:21:02am

No evidence, body badly decomposed, but they are going to get her on every other count they can muster.

101 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:21:09am

re: #99 Cannadian Club Akbar

Dead baby. No one held accountable.

Either the prosecution fucked up big or the investigators did.

102 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:21:10am

re: #93 RogueOne

Which is why you never speak to the police.

I want a lawyer- my favorite 4 words.

103 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:21:59am

I wonder if she’ll get time served.

104 Alexzander  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:21:59am

re: #102 Cannadian Club Akbar

I want a lawyer- my favorite 4 words.

Find yourself using them a lot?

105 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:22:09am

re: #99 Cannadian Club Akbar

Dead baby. No one held accountable.

Same with Jon Benet Ramsey. …

106 allegro  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:22:31am

What kind of sentence usually goes with the lying thing? I’m thinking not that much.

107 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:22:31am

re: #104 Alexzander

Find yourself using them a lot?

Shush!!!
///

108 darthstar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:22:41am

re: #96 Cannadian Club Akbar

4th lying to cops guilty

That was my guess…not guilty on the murder, but guilty on all the lesser charges…interesting to see if they get her on aggravated child abuse…that would add some actual jail time.

109 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:23:19am

re: #108 darthstar

That was my guess…not guilty on the murder, but guilty on all the lesser charges…interesting to see if they get her on aggravated child abuse…that would add some actual jail time.

Only guilty of lying to the police

110 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:23:33am

re: #103 Cannadian Club Akbar

I wonder if she’ll get time served.

She needs to go the nut-house.

This is the type of case that almost makes me think forced sterilization might be a good thing in some cases.

Can you image if she has another child?. Unless she is declared bat-shit crazy by the courts, she would get to keep the child.

111 Ericus58  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:23:58am

re: #99 Cannadian Club Akbar

Dead baby. No one held accountable.

Evil has won this day….
and please don’t anyone remind me or lecture me about law and legal procedures…

How very tragic.

112 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:24:28am

re: #109 Cannadian Club Akbar


I remember a major sexual harassment trial in the Army that ended in an acquittal on charges of harassment but a conviction for falsifying evidence.

In other words, he didn’t do it, but he lied to cover it up…


WTF?

113 researchok  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:24:40am

Not guilty verdicts do not denote innocence.

114 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:25:12am

re: #113 researchok

Not guilty verdicts do not denote innocence.

That is correct.

115 Summer Seale  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:25:30am

This is the kind of story which makes me vote for Obama - even if he was the worst President ever in the history of our country - simply to spite these fuckers and flip them a big fat “Fuck You” middle finger bird in their faces.

116 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:25:47am

The jury was only out 9 hours. Not really long in a case like this. I told my friend’s wifey that not guilty was prolly gonna be the word.

117 darthstar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:26:50am

What do you wear to a verdict party so close to the 4th of July?

118 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:26:59am

re: #116 Cannadian Club Akbar

The jury was only out 9 hours. Not really long in a case like this. I told my friend’s wifey that not guilty was prolly gonna be the word.

There was no evidence, IIRC.

We may want a witch-hunt, but we choose the courts instead. Something about being civilized.

grrrr… .

119 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:27:41am

I’m curious.
Do we have specifics on what she lied about to the cops?

120 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:28:15am

re: #118 ggt

There was no evidence, IIRC.

We may want a witch-hunt, but we choose the courts instead. Something about being civilized.

grrr… .

I actually didn’t follow the case very close, but it’s right down the road, so it is kinda everywhere down here.:(

121 darthstar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:28:23am

re: #117 darthstar

What do you wear to a verdict party so close to the 4th of July?

I just realized the guy almost off camera is wearing a teddy bear on his dick. I’m so happy she’ll be able to return to her life after this tragic hell she’s been through with all the lawyers and cameras…
/sick

122 allegro  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:28:46am

re: #117 darthstar

What do you wear to a verdict party so close to the 4th of July?

It’s the guy standing next to her who looks like he has the interesting costume.

123 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:29:13am

From the link at the top:

The Neo-Nazi National Socialist Movement’s “Sergeant” Harriet Paletti in Wisconsin, a bubbly working mom with three kids, only takes off her swastika when she’s at work. She’ll be running for her district’s alderman position in 2012 and has just sent in her résumé to the mayor of New Berlin, hoping to fill a seat on either the Crime Prevention Committee…

No shit. A Neo-Nazi in New Berlin. I can’t even…

…Another NSM leader, Brian Culpepper, says his chapter in Tennessee may openly field a candidate for the state and U.S. House of Representatives. Culpepper describes himself as a “realist,” saying he prefers sneaking candidates into office under the radar rather than openly flouting the white-rights agenda. The same is true of the United Klans of Tennessee, which says it has several mayors and county commissioners serving who do not openly identify as Klan members. “We insert ourselves into the infrastructure of other established parties due to the bias against us and the difficulty of third parties getting ballot access,” says Culpepper. Unlike other Neo-Nazis in his group, these ones are not on NSM rosters and “have hair, no ink, no piercings, and increasingly are college-degreed” says Culpepper, who says he is also a “suit and tie” guy and does not favor bomber jackets. Some Neo-Nazis have also quietly been joining national campaigns and offices to start sharpening their political teeth, he claims. “We have people working with the most recent incoming class of freshmen in the House,” says Culpepper. “And they don’t even know it.” …

We’ll have to keep our eyes open….

124 darthstar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:29:46am

re: #122 allegro

It’s the guy standing next to her who looks like he has the interesting costume.

Yep…a teddy bear on his dick. I happen to be wearing that same outfit at work today. I’m the talk of the office!

125 researchok  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:31:12am

re: #123 wrenchwench

From the link at the top:

No shit. A Neo-Nazi in New Berlin. I can’t even…

We’ll have to keep our eyes open…

The Balkanization of American politics.

You have to wonder what is next.

126 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:33:00am

re: #123 wrenchwench

From the link at the top:

No shit. A Neo-Nazi in New Berlin. I can’t even…

We’ll have to keep our eyes open…

Did the Mob and the Gangs followed the same formula? I think it backfired as they “chosen” became part of the world outside the gang.

127 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:34:26am

bbl

128 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:34:45am

re: #116 Cannadian Club Akbar

I was actually leaning the other way - that a quick verdict would be in favor of the prosecution. So much about this situation screamed for justice, and the dead child gets none.

She got lucky that law enforcement screwed up the search/evidence, and that may be what saved her from getting guilty verdicts.

This was a case based on circumstantial evidence, and to me, her actions were quite suspect (as was the grandfather’s). You don’t just go and hide the body of your child if it was an accidental death. That raises all kinds of questions about whether the death were truly accidental. The science isn’t there (or the jury didn’t find sufficient CSI/NCIS-type science) to support guilty verdicts. I think the latter may have something to do with this.

129 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:35:33am

“We insert ourselves into the infrastructure of other established parties due to the bias against us and the difficulty of third parties getting ballot access,”

SOP for ideology-driven politics

130 kirkspencer  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:37:30am

re: #129 ralphieboy

“We insert ourselves into the infrastructure of other established parties due to the bias against us and the difficulty of third parties getting ballot access,”

SOP for ideology-driven politics

Hey, it worked for the dominionists.

131 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:40:28am

re: #130 kirkspencer

Hey, it worked for the dominionists.


they nearly got the Vice Presidency doing that

132 iossarian  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:42:26am

re: #128 lawhawk

I was actually leaning the other way - that a quick verdict would be in favor of the prosecution. So much about this situation screamed for justice, and the dead child gets none.

She got lucky that law enforcement screwed up the search/evidence, and that may be what saved her from getting guilty verdicts.

This was a case based on circumstantial evidence, and to me, her actions were quite suspect (as was the grandfather’s). You don’t just go and hide the body of your child if it was an accidental death. That raises all kinds of questions about whether the death were truly accidental. The science isn’t there (or the jury didn’t find sufficient CSI/NCIS-type science) to support guilty verdicts. I think the latter may have something to do with this.

I wonder to what extent jury decisions are driven by the possibility of the death penalty. Does it make it harder to literally “pull the trigger” on a guilty verdict?

Haven’t been following the trial at all so I’m not sure whether that would have played a role here.

133 kirkspencer  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:42:39am

re: #131 ralphieboy

they nearly got the Vice Presidency doing that

But in the meantime they’ve got governorships and senate and house seats, plus a number of seats below.

I’d also say they were a major influence for at least one recent president.

134 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:43:48am

re: #133 kirkspencer

But in the meantime they’ve got governorships and senate and house seats, plus a number of seats below.

I’d also say they were a major influence for at least one recent president.

“The Family” Scary shit, IMHO.

135 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:46:20am

From Wonkette: KY Teapartiers sell fab rally wear:

[Link: wonkette.com…]

136 albusteve  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:46:57am

another blood bath in Chicago over the weekend/…and street violence is spreading across the country….no job, no money, 100+ temps and the mayhem ensues

5 Dead, 23 Hurt Over Violent Holiday Weekend
No arrests so far in the 28 weekend shootings and stabbings

Source: [Link: www.nbcchicago.com…]

137 iossarian  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:47:36am

I went to CNN before deciding I really couldn’t be bothered with reading about the case. But this, on the other hand, is an important message for those people who think riding bikes without helmets is big and clever:

[Link: www.cnn.com…]

138 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:48:12am

re: #135 Decatur Deb


they insisted that it was meant “ironically” as a response to “overreaction from the mainstream media”.

after all, they aren’t racists, they even have black friends, remember?

139 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:49:36am

re: #138 ralphieboy

they insisted that it was meant “ironically” as a response to “overreaction from the mainstream media”.

after all, they aren’t racists, they even have black friends, remember?

FIL was from KY—he was a very ironic sort of dude.

140 darthstar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:49:49am

re: #135 Decatur Deb

From Wonkette: KY Teapartiers sell fab rally wear:

[Link: wonkette.com…]

Gotta love the Tea Party Fox News banner…

Image: TeaPartyFourthOfJuly.jpg

141 iossarian  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:50:44am

re: #136 albusteve

another blood bath in Chicago over the weekend/…and street violence is spreading across the country…no job, no money, 100+ temps and the mayhem ensues

5 Dead, 23 Hurt Over Violent Holiday Weekend
No arrests so far in the 28 weekend shootings and stabbings

Source: [Link: www.nbcchicago.com…]

Love the comments. Including somewhat suspicious “I’m black and even I think that black people are a problem” type substance.

142 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:51:40am

re: #32 ggt

That would be the gist of it.

Never mind that African-Americans still could not vote in many places while Ozzie and Harriet was being aired. Never mind that women still didn’t get into medical school or that … .well you get it.

That’s WHY they want to go back to their fictional leave it to beaver utopia, and force the rest of us back there, too.

143 RogueOne  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:52:08am

Missed this news over the weekend:

Appeals court stops forced medication of Jared Loughner
[Link: www.politico.com…]


A federal appeals court issued an order late Friday temporarily blocking federal prison authorities from forcibly medicating Jared Loughner, the man accused of killing six people by opening fire at an outreach event for Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) in Tucson in January.

U.S. District Court Judge Larry Burns ruled last week that medical personnel at the prison hospital in Missouri where Loughner is being held could medicate him with psychotropic drugs against his will.

144 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:52:31am

re: #142 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

That’s WHY they want to go back to their fictional leave it to beaver utopia, and force the rest of us back there, too.

It wasn’t real then and it will never be real. They can try all they want, but it won’t work.

145 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:53:15am

re: #143 RogueOne

Missed this news over the weekend:

Appeals court stops forced medication of Jared Loughner
[Link: www.politico.com…]

So, you can’t make someone take his meds, even in jail.

146 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:53:40am

re: #132 iossarian

It’s my understanding that there are two phases - a phase on guilt, and one on sentencing so if they found her guilty, they’d then have to debate and come to a decision on whether the death penalty is warranted.

In other words, it might play a role, but I don’t think that was what was motivating this jury.

147 darthstar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:54:10am

re: #143 RogueOne

Missed this news over the weekend:

Appeals court stops forced medication of Jared Loughner
[Link: www.politico.com…]

Good…I want that fucker to be fully conscious of what he did. Psychotropic drugs just calm the system and numb the pain. Just put him on a cycle of periodic mental evaluations and keep him in a cell for the next few years. No chance of exit until he’s healthy enough to stand trial…then try him.

148 RogueOne  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:54:27am

re: #145 ggt

So, you can’t make someone take his meds, even in jail.

They’ll eventually let them medicate him, at least that’s my guess. They need him sane enough to execute and he knows it. He’s crazy, not dumb.

149 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:54:32am

re: #146 lawhawk

It’s my understanding that there are two phases - a phase on guilt, and one on sentencing so if they found her guilty, they’d then have to debate and come to a decision on whether the death penalty is warranted.

In other words, it might play a role, but I don’t think that was what was motivating this jury.

Yeah, the death of a child brings out the worst in the human vengeance streak.

150 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:55:36am

re: #148 RogueOne

They’ll eventually let them medicate him, at least that’s my guess. They need him sane enough to execute and he knows it. He’s crazy, not dumb.

THey need him sane enough to manage him in prison. What do you do with the truly unbalanced if you can’t medicate them? Put them in a rubber room for the length of their stay? That would be inhuman, cruel and really nasty punishment.

151 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:56:39am

re: #137 iossarian

Heh - the group of anti-helmet riders thinks that it should be a personal choice and not a statutory requirement. They’re also trying to claim that the guy died because he wasn’t riding his usual cycle and was unfamiliar with the quirks of this bike. Sorry, but if you’re riding a motorcycle, you’d be nuts not to wear all the appropriate gear. Why take chances with your noodle - unless you want to sign off on your drivers license that you want to be an organ donor - because odds are - if you crash without a helmet, odds are you’re going to die and you’re going to be giving the gift of life to others.

152 RogueOne  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:57:02am

re: #150 ggt

THey need him sane enough to manage him in prison. What do you do with the truly unbalanced if you can’t medicate them? Put them in a rubber room for the length of their stay? That would be inhuman, cruel and really nasty punishment.

All true but right now they’re worried about a trial. If he’s too crazy to stand trial they can’t hold him in jail forever.

153 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:57:03am

So what happens if she get’s pregnant again?

Where is the father of the little girl in this case?

154 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:57:36am

re: #147 darthstar

Good…I want that fucker to be fully conscious of what he did. Psychotropic drugs just calm the system and numb the pain. Just put him on a cycle of periodic mental evaluations and keep him in a cell for the next few years. No chance of exit until he’s healthy enough to stand trial…then try him.

A good measure of a law or decision: “Is there any forseeable way in which this practice could be misused to my detriment?” Keep him behind bars—prison or hospital—until he’s too old to lift a gun.

155 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 11:58:28am

re: #151 lawhawk

Heh - the group of anti-helmet riders thinks that it should be a personal choice and not a statutory requirement. They’re also trying to claim that the guy died because he wasn’t riding his usual cycle and was unfamiliar with the quirks of this bike. Sorry, but if you’re riding a motorcycle, you’d be nuts not to wear all the appropriate gear. Why take chances with your noodle - unless you want to sign off on your drivers license that you want to be an organ donor - because odds are - if you crash without a helmet, odds are you’re going to die and you’re going to be giving the gift of life to others.

Fine, you want to ride without a helmet, leathers and boots? Go right ahead, you may not take any passengers and you your family may not sue any other driver if you get in an fatal or disabling accident.

156 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:00:49pm

re: #155 ggt

Fine, you want to ride without a helmet, leathers and boots? Go right ahead, you may not take any passengers and you your family may not sue any other driver if you get in an fatal or disabling accident.

also assume that no insurer will cover your medical expenses

157 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:01:53pm

re: #147 darthstar

Loughner was apparently acting violently towards his lawyers, other medical professionals, and that’s why they were trying to medicate him in the first place. The Appeals Court gave a TRO, but wants more information by tomorrow before giving a final order on the medication issue.

We grant a temporary stay of the involuntary medication of appellant until briefing on this question is completed and this court enters a permanent order.

If the Court rules that he can’t be medicated in this fashion, this may end up preventing him from ever seeing the inside of a courtroom to face the justice for attempting to assassinate Rep. Giffords, and the murder of all those other people, including a federal judge.

He may be crazy as a loon - or a fox to avoid justice for his actions.

158 albusteve  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:02:12pm

re: #151 lawhawk

Heh - the group of anti-helmet riders thinks that it should be a personal choice and not a statutory requirement. They’re also trying to claim that the guy died because he wasn’t riding his usual cycle and was unfamiliar with the quirks of this bike. Sorry, but if you’re riding a motorcycle, you’d be nuts not to wear all the appropriate gear. Why take chances with your noodle - unless you want to sign off on your drivers license that you want to be an organ donor - because odds are - if you crash without a helmet, odds are you’re going to die and you’re going to be giving the gift of life to others.

there is something fishy, or left out of this story…I owned 3 bikes and wrecked all of them even tho I clocked alot of helmeted miles….you just don’t start to fishtail, then fly over the bars for no reason

159 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:02:22pm

re: #144 ggt

It wasn’t real then and it will never be real. They can try all they want, but it won’t work.

Lol I love all these constitution-worshippers, so in love with the Constitution they want to axe a bunch its of Amendments.

Dumb bigots.

160 RogueOne  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:02:45pm

re: #157 lawhawk

FTA:

Prison authorities did hold an administrative hearing before proceeding to medicate Loughner. The surroundings for the hearing were somewhat unusual: according to Burns, it was conducted in Loughner’s cell as he “barricaded himself behind his bed.”

161 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:02:48pm

re: #157 lawhawk

Loughner was apparently acting violently towards his lawyers, other medical professionals, and that’s why they were trying to medicate him in the first place. The Appeals Court gave a TRO, but wants more information by tomorrow before giving a final order on the medication issue.

If the Court rules that he can’t be medicated in this fashion, this may end up preventing him from ever seeing the inside of a courtroom to face the justice for attempting to assassinate Rep. Giffords, and the murder of all those other people, including a federal judge.

He may be crazy as a loon - or a fox to avoid justice for his actions.

Well, spending the rest of his life in psych lock-up isn’t what I would call a “walk in the park” either.

162 Kragar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:02:59pm

Homosexuality accusations fly within Cain campaign

163 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:05:09pm

re: #160 RogueOne

FTA:

Was he screaming for his “mommy”.

Immature crazy shithead.

164 Kragar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:05:32pm

re: #161 ggt

Well, spending the rest of his life in psych lock-up isn’t what I would call a “walk in the park” either.

Nurse Ratched begs to differ…

165 iossarian  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:06:38pm

re: #162 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Homosexuality accusations fly within Cain campaign

Once again, 4-year-olds (or, in this case, middle-schoolers):

“Ur so gay.”

“No, dood, UR so gay!”

Pathetic.

166 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:07:00pm

re: #158 albusteve

From the Syracuse Post Standard:

Rathbun was not on Saturday’s ride, but she said she had talked to people who were. Rathbun and Richard Contos said the accident happened because Philip’s bootlaces got stuck in a chain.

The biker looked down to inspect the problem, looked up and saw traffic slowing and slammed on the brakes, Richard Contos said, repeating what state police told him. That sudden braking caused the motorcycle to fishtail and Phil Contos lost control, state police said Saturday.

167 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:08:16pm

re: #166 lawhawk


point is, the cause of the accident is irrelevant, his injuries would have been less sever had he been wearing a helmet

168 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:08:26pm

re: #166 lawhawk

From the Syracuse Post Standard:

Stupid is as stupid does …

169 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:08:29pm

re: #162 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Homosexuality accusations fly within Cain campaign


being stupid enough to volunteer your time to this moron’s farce of a campaign is a “sin” and a “choice” lol :D

170 Alexzander  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:09:05pm

re: #162 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Homosexuality accusations fly within Cain campaign

That would explain the lack of a long term partner.

171 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:09:57pm

re: #165 iossarian

Once again, 4-year-olds (or, in this case, middle-schoolers):

“Ur so gay.”

“No, dood, UR so gay!”

Pathetic.

PLEASE PLEASE let this become a great big hilarious tabloid explosion

How glorious would it be for Herman Cain’s campaign to be gayed into the ground, by the very queers he wrings his very serious hands about

172 Winny Spencer  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:10:05pm

re: #170 Alexzander

That would explain the lack of a long term partner.

Not necessarily.

173 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:10:05pm

re: #162 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Homosexuality accusations fly within Cain campaign

Funny, for the guy so proudly proclaiming he’d have gays on staff (I doubt even one of those Roy-Cohn-worshipping losers from GOProud would work there).

Hey, we won’t bring sharia law to our laws. So, yeah.

Leave it to some stupid social cons to try and resurrect the McCarthy/Advise and Consent era. Idiots.

174 darthstar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:10:17pm

re: #153 ggt

So what happens if she get’s pregnant again?

Where is the father of the little girl in this case?

Another season of must-see TV.

175 albusteve  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:11:08pm

re: #166 lawhawk

From the Syracuse Post Standard:

caught in the chain?….never heard of such a thing, but I suppose anything is possible, altho I don’t see how….thanks

176 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:11:20pm

re: #162 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Homosexuality accusations fly within Cain campaign

lol

177 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:11:26pm

re: #174 darthstar

Another season of must-see TV.

I shudder at the thought of her being a parent again…

I shudder at all the kids we don’t know about who are living with parents such as her …

178 Alexzander  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:12:20pm

re: #172 Winny Spencer

Not necessarily.

Certainly no necessity implied. But it is almost an informal pre-requisite.
Think of Charlie Crist who married in the build up to the 2008 election. Of course that marriage is dead now too.

179 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:13:40pm

Over the July 4th weekend we had an amazing number of hits from web bots originating in China and Russia. The spammers were really out in force.

180 researchok  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:13:52pm

Caged and doomed, boy leaves sad account of his life

On May 22, I began a column by asking the questions:

“Why did no one miss him? Why didn’t anyone seem to even notice he wasn’t around?”

The body of a boy named Christian Choate, 13, had been found encased in cement and buried in a shallow grave in Lake County, Indiana. Police and prosecutors there alleged that he had been forced to live in a dog cage, and was kept naked except for a diaper. They alleged that his father, Riley Lowell Choate, 39, and his stepmother, Kimberly Leona Kubina, 45, had regularly beaten and kicked the boy, deprived him of food, and chained his hands to the top of the cage. They have been charged with murder, battery, neglect of a dependent and criminal confinement. They have pleaded not guilty; Riley Choate is scheduled to be back in court on Tuesday.

One of the most saddening aspects of the case is that Christian was killed more than two years before his body was found in May, yet during all that time, according to police investigators, there is no indication that anyone was looking for him.

He had been pulled out of school long ago, so there were no teachers who wondered where he might be. The state of Indiana did not have an investigation of his family open at the time of his death and disappearance; the state’s child protective agency had no idea he was gone. According to police, his father had “punched him with full force several times in the front, side and back of his head” in April of 2009 because the boy was too ill to eat; when Christian, back in the cage, stopped breathing, police said, he was put into a garbage bag, covered with cement and hidden beneath the ground.

When his body was discovered this spring, the Indiana Department of Child Services said it could not disclose whether caseworkers had ever been called to the home, maintaining that confidentiality provisions in state law prohibited the release of such information. But a court in Lake County in recent days has released records compiled by investigators about Christian’s family, and the boy’s agonizing life.

Read it all

181 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:14:04pm

There are people who take morality seriously and are able to contain their “urges”. Herman Cain may be one of these people.

Although, it has been my observation that such moral people don’t make it very long in politics.

182 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:14:20pm

re: #2 efuseakay

But… but… ROBERT BYRD! That’s proof only Dems are racist scum!

//

He’s dead, Jim.

(Doesn’t matter. His legacy will sail forever.)

183 Winny Spencer  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:14:36pm

My cabinet is about as imaginary as Cain’s.

184 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:14:51pm

We’ve also picked up a few bots that keep checking for open registration, also originating in China, Russia, Romania, etc.

185 darthstar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:14:56pm

re: #177 ggt

I shudder at the thought of her being a parent again…

I shudder at all the kids we don’t know about who are living with parents such as her …

She’ll have another kid - count on it. I wouldn’t be surprised if someone didn’t counsel her to do so intentionally so she “can move on from this tragedy” - as if having another kid is like getting a new puppy.

Fucking trash people are all the Anthony family are. I changed the channel in my car this morning when some idiot asked, “Why is America so obsessed with the Anthony trial?” - America wasn’t obsessed - the idiot-media was obsessed because they thought they could sell advertising by building up this case into a national talking point…and they did. I hate it when they create shit like this for mass consumption and then innocently ask why so many Americans are watching.

186 Alexzander  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:15:39pm
Dignite-Al Karama, Gaza-Bound French Boat, Escapes From Greece While Activists Detained

PARIS (AP) — French pro-Palestinian activists say a pleasure craft linked to a flotilla banned from sailing from Greek ports to the Gaza Strip has left Greek waters and is on its way.

Jean-Claude Lefort, a spokesman for the group, told The Associated Press Tuesday that the “Dignite-Al Karama” left port near Athens early Monday and has reached international waters. On board are eight activists and two crew members.

It is the first and so far only boat linked to the flotilla. Other boats, including one other French boat, have been blocked by Greek authorities.

187 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:16:14pm

re: #12 thatthatisis

But there won’t be any racist rants to recoil from. It’s not that black people are taking white jobs, but that the President has killed the economy. And Obama is a socialist who wants to redistribute wealth. And “they” are against the common working man. And “they” want [fill in nasty name for gays] to have more rights than “us”, and “they” want to have a war against Christians. And “they” are real Americans who share the values of our exceptional country.

This is the new mask of the new racist, an agenda hidden behind economic anxiety and cloaked in the terms of xenophobia.

Guy informed me this weekend that anti-Semitism is ‘over’.

Then he told me about how Israel controls the United States.

This is the same model. Racism is ‘over’ so any reference to it is just a power grab.

188 darthstar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:16:47pm

re: #186 Alexzander

If it’s only one boat is it still a flotilla?

189 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:17:36pm

gotta go!

Have a great day all!

190 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:17:38pm

re: #187 SanFranciscoZionist

Guy informed me this weekend that anti-Semitism is ‘over’.

Then he told me about how Israel controls the United States.

This is the same model. Racism is ‘over’ so any reference to it is just a power grab.

Is this guy also going to vote for the Bris ban?

191 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:17:53pm

re: #188 darthstar

If it’s only one boat is it still a flotilla?

Flotillissima.

192 Winny Spencer  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:17:53pm

re: #188 darthstar

If it’s only one boat is it still a flotilla?

Nah, it’s just Shit to Gaza.

193 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:18:16pm

re: #17 ggt

Because it is xenophobia. It doesn’t matter what color you are or what religion if you don’t walk their walk, you ARE DIFFERENT. Your hair is the wrong color, you wear jewelry in the wrong places, whatever makes them feel scared.

We’ve had situation within the SCA where guys have gotten in member’s faces about men wearing ‘dresses’ at events, guys have been hassled for wearing their hair long in medieval styles, or having beards—it’s remarkable to me how little seems to set off some people’s ‘other’ detector. Even loons playing medieval dress-up.

194 iossarian  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:18:31pm

re: #185 darthstar

Ah, the beautiful feedback loop of profit-driven news media.

195 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:19:05pm

re: #18 ggt

verdict: The whole family is fooking bat-shit crazy.

My husband’s relatives are all completely insane, but the children are allowed to live. Something bad wrong there.

196 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:19:54pm

re: #193 SanFranciscoZionist

We’ve had situation within the SCA where guys have gotten in member’s faces about men wearing ‘dresses’ at events, guys have been hassled for wearing their hair long in medieval styles, or having beards—it’s remarkable to me how little seems to set off some people’s ‘other’ detector. Even loons playing medieval dress-up.

Not to mention the minstrels and their tights.

197 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:20:12pm

re: #187 SanFranciscoZionist

Guy informed me this weekend that anti-Semitism is ‘over’.

Then he told me about how Israel controls the United States.

This is the same model. Racism is ‘over’ so any reference to it is just a power grab.

While we’re on the topic of Herman Cain, you are exactly right.

Last week:

A real black man is not timid about making the right decisions, that’s what I meant. Look, I’m not getting into this whole thing about President Obama. It is documented that his mother was white and his father was from Africa. If he wants to call himself black, fine. If he wants to call himself African-American, fine. I’m not going down this color road.

Their constituents are dumb enough that they won’t even experience any cognitive dissonance.

198 Alexzander  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:20:47pm

re: #188 darthstar

If it’s only one boat is it still a flotilla?

Its not even a real boat - its a “pleasure craft.” Sounds dangerous to be travelling alone actually.

199 researchok  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:21:14pm

re: #193 SanFranciscoZionist

We’ve had situation within the SCA where guys have gotten in member’s faces about men wearing ‘dresses’ at events, guys have been hassled for wearing their hair long in medieval styles, or having beards—it’s remarkable to me how little seems to set off some people’s ‘other’ detector. Even loons playing medieval dress-up.

What is the SCA?

200 iossarian  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:21:32pm

re: #198 Alexzander

Its not even a real boat - its a “pleasure craft.” Sounds dangerous to be travelling alone actually.

Is James O’Keefe aboard?

/

201 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:21:35pm

re: #198 Alexzander

Its not even a real boat - its a “pleasure craft.” Sounds dangerous to be travelling alone actually.

Are the two crew members manning the oars?

202 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:21:50pm

re: #197 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

While we’re on the topic of Herman Cain, you are exactly right.

Last week:

Their constituents are dumb enough that they won’t even experience any cognitive dissonance.

Guy can jump. Case closed.

203 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:21:55pm

re: #25 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I have it on good authority that Ward was hard on the Beaver though.

I always figured the Cleavers for being a bissel liberal for their day and location, though.

204 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:22:08pm

re: #190 Alouette

Is this guy also going to vote for the Bris ban?

Hopefully, that shyt is going to get smacked off the ballot before they are even printed.

205 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:22:15pm

re: #199 researchok

What is the SCA?

Society of Creative Anachronism, a bunch of people who are into Medieval historical reenactments.

206 albusteve  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:22:50pm

re: #198 Alexzander

Its not even a real boat - its a “pleasure craft.” Sounds dangerous to be travelling alone actually.

not a real boat?…that’s just weird

not a real boat?
[Link: www.liveyachting.com…]

207 BongCrodny  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:23:08pm

re: #188 darthstar

If it’s only one boat is it still a flotilla?


Ah, that would be a flotillum.

208 researchok  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:23:35pm

Ahhhh

Thank you.

I do have an old sweatshirt but I imagine that won’t quite do.

209 Alexzander  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:24:00pm

re: #201 wrenchwench

Are the two crew members manning the oars?

Nope - they are on pedal duty.

Image: Pedal-Boat-1.jpg

210 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:24:41pm

re: #207 BongCrodny

Ah, that would be a flotillum.

Or a flotsam.

211 Alexzander  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:24:57pm

re: #206 albusteve

Yeah I could have phrased that a bit better.

212 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:26:13pm

re: #43 ggt

This is what I don’t get.

Violence committed in the name of Christianity —the Bryan Fishers of the world will say “That person wasn’t a true Christian.”

Violence committed in the name of Islam — the Bryan Fishers of the world will blame Islam.

Some Animals are more Equal than Others… .

Sure. Christianity is seen as inherently peaceful, so the violent acts of Christians reflect other things (liberalism, a secular permissive society, what have you).

Islam is seen as inherently violent, so even lovely, law-abiding people who are Muslims might turn nasty on you at any moment.

Judaism is considered OK, since everyone knows we’re wimps.

Buddhists don’t register at all. Neither do Hindus, except that they dress funny, and what is UP with those red dot-things?

I’m so tired. I’m already giving all my time and energy to pro-Israel activism. Do I really have to give more time and energy to fighting Islamophobia, and where will I ever find other people to take up this weird overlap with me? I mean, it makes sense to me…

213 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:26:57pm

re: #47 ralphieboy

It goes beyond that: Muslims living peacefully and tolerating others: not “true” Muslims. Only those who hate and kill are “true” Muslims.

I find it interesting that they share the same viewpoint as the fundamentalist mullahs of the world. Proof that twisted minds think alike, they just have different focuses of attention.

The haters of all things Muslim have adopted Salafist thought, and insist that it is the only true Islam.

It’s quite interesting.

214 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:28:30pm

re: #62 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, here is an excuse you don’t hear very often.

Rapist Uses the All-Too-Rare ‘I Thought She Was Dead’ Excuse

That’s not funny. Why am I laughingg?

215 darthstar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:28:52pm

re: #198 Alexzander

Its not even a real boat - its a “pleasure craft.” Sounds dangerous to be travelling alone actually.

If I had a 35 or 40 foot “pleasure craft” I’d take it on blue water cruises.

216 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:30:11pm

re: #101 Varek Raith

Either the prosecution fucked up big or the investigators did.

She did it. I’m positive.

I think the case was so insane, though, that the jury may simply have felt they didn’t have enough evidence to bring in a guilty verdict under the law.

217 darthstar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:31:25pm

re: #206 albusteve

not a real boat?…that’s just weird

not a real boat?
[Link: www.liveyachting.com…]

Shit…now that boat I’d take across the Pacific.

218 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:32:08pm

re: #212 SanFranciscoZionist

Sure. Christianity is seen as inherently peaceful, so the violent acts of Christians reflect other things (liberalism, a secular permissive society, what have you).

Islam is seen as inherently violent, so even lovely, law-abiding people who are Muslims might turn nasty on you at any moment.

Judaism is considered OK, since everyone knows we’re wimps.

Yeah except for with Christianity, especially American Protestants, you’ve got 4K sects all claiming the other is not “true” and only they are. Judaism is relegated to perpetual victim status, not too far off from the people believing in the “wandering” curse.

They have raised “no true Scotsman” logical fallacy to the level of a sacrament.

219 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:33:25pm

re: #203 SanFranciscoZionist

I always figured the Cleavers for being a bissel liberal for their day and location, though.

OK, I figured out that ‘bissell’ is probably Yiddish for ‘little bit’, but look what I found in the process:

Image: 4507-b.jpg

The Bissell Little Green

220 BongCrodny  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:34:56pm

re: #203 SanFranciscoZionist

I always figured the Cleavers for being a bissel liberal for their day and location, though.


According to the character biographies, Ward Cleaver was a philosophy major in college.

Spot on.

221 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:35:19pm

re: #190 Alouette

Is this guy also going to vote for the Bris ban?

I don’t think he’s from the City. He showed up at my group’s booth at the Marin County Fair. And kept talking for forty minutes.

He hit every single buzzword and talking point except for ‘apartheid’ during that time. My mother suggests that he might not be sure how to pronounce it.

222 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:37:24pm

re: #198 Alexzander

Its not even a real boat - its a “pleasure craft.” Sounds dangerous to be travelling alone actually.

The Mediterranean is about as good as it gets for zipping around in some little thing. They’ll never be out of earshot with a good radio.

223 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:37:51pm

re: #199 researchok

What is the SCA?

Society for Creative Anachronism. They/we (I haven’t played in years) recreate the cultures of the Middle Ages.

224 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:38:09pm

Something that bears mentioning on the main story, regarding David Duke.

In the 1991 Louisiana Governor’s election, he ran as a Republican. However, the national GOP refused to acknowledge his membership, and actually went as far as endorsing his Democratic opponent, then-former Governor Edwin Edwards, who had left office four years earlier amidst allegations of various illegal financial dealings. Of note was the campaign slogan “Vote for the crook - it’s important”. Edwards did win, but only because he swung the vast majority of votes in the larger cities.

Fast-forward to twenty years later. Today, the GOP is not only not disassociating themselves with the white nationalist/nativist movement, but in many instances are embracing some of its leaders.

225 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:38:20pm

re: #221 SanFranciscoZionist

I don’t think he’s from the City. He showed up at my group’s booth at the Marin County Fair. And kept talking for forty minutes.

He hit every single buzzword and talking point except for ‘apartheid’ during that time. My mother suggests that he might not be sure how to pronounce it.

Some asshole left a comment at my blog comparing Israel to Nazi Germany (“I’m not anti-Jewish I’m just anti-Zionist” bla bla bla). I was in Canada with no access to Teh Interwebz, but I left the comment up for other people to laugh at and make fun of.

226 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:39:47pm

re: #113 researchok

Not guilty verdicts do not denote innocence.

At common law? or just in like the grand scheme of things?

227 darthstar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:39:51pm

re: #223 SanFranciscoZionist

Society for Creative Anachronism. They/we (I haven’t played in years) recreate the cultures of the Middle Ages.

Come for the jousting, ale, and wenches…stay for the consumption, gangrene from small cuts, and plague.

228 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:39:52pm

re: #220 BongCrodny

According to the character biographies, Ward Cleaver was a philosophy major in college.

Spot on.

I imagine them donating to the NAACP, and lecturing the boys seriously on the importance of treating everyone equally.

229 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:40:56pm

re: #227 darthstar

Come for the jousting, ale, and wenches…stay for the consumption, gangrene from small cuts, and plague.

And throwing the Jews down the well.

230 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:41:03pm

re: #223 SanFranciscoZionist

Society for Creative Anachronism. They/we (I haven’t played in years) recreate the cultures of the Middle Ages.

Where do they get their black rats?

;)

231 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:41:09pm

re: #227 darthstar

Come for the jousting, ale, and wenches…stay for the consumption, gangrene from small cuts, and plague.

We did have a member catch bubonic plague at one point. It had to do with her work, not the SCA, and she was treated and recovered promptly, but it spawned a generation of ‘you know you’re getting too authentic when’ jokes.

232 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:41:50pm

re: #231 SanFranciscoZionist

We did have a member catch bubonic plague at one point. It had to do with her work, not the SCA, and she was treated and recovered promptly, but it spawned a generation of ‘you know you’re getting too authentic when’ jokes.

That’s hard core.

233 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:42:15pm

re: #231 SanFranciscoZionist

We did have a member catch bubonic plague at one point. It had to do with her work, not the SCA, and she was treated and recovered promptly, but it spawned a generation of ‘you know you’re getting too authentic when’ jokes.

metal

234 researchok  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:42:26pm

re: #219 wrenchwench

OK, I figured out that ‘bissell’ is probably Yiddish for ‘little bit’, but look what I found in the process:

Image: 4507-b.jpg

The Bissell Little Green

Explains the pale green color.

They couldn’t go all the way.

235 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:42:58pm

re: #223 SanFranciscoZionist

Society for Creative Anachronism. They/we (I haven’t played in years) recreate the cultures of the Middle Ages.

Don’t forget the important part, running at people with foam weapons

236 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:45:02pm

re: #235 WindUpBird

Don’t forget the important part, running at people with foam weapons

Bamboo and PVC piping. The guys wear full metal armor, they can take the hits.

237 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:45:10pm

re: #226 SpaceJesus

At common law? or just in like the grand scheme of things?

The Scots (of course) have the third option, “not proven”.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

238 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:46:33pm

re: #237 oaktree

I wasn’t even aware Scots had a recognized legal system. I thought that each party just picks up a midget and tosses it, and whosoever tosses their midget the furthest wins the case.

239 Ericus58  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:47:36pm

re: #238 SpaceJesus

OH, you are SO gonna get smacked for that….

240 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:48:04pm

re: #238 SpaceJesus

they toss cabers, they bowl with midgets…

241 windsagio  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:48:55pm

re: #237 oaktree

I’ve really never liked that idea, it carrys the implication of ‘oh man he totally did it, but somehow got away’

242 BongCrodny  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:48:56pm

re: #238 SpaceJesus

I wasn’t even aware Scots had a recognized legal system. I thought that each party just picks up a midget and tosses it, and whosoever tosses their midget the furthest wins the case.


There’s a golf joke in here somewhere.

243 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:49:21pm

re: #238 SpaceJesus

Cabers… midgets… yeah, I can see your confusion. /

244 Ericus58  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:49:53pm

re: #236 SanFranciscoZionist

Bamboo and PVC piping. The guys wear full metal armor, they can take the hits.

I was introduced to some folks that were with SCA in ‘76… they were quite serious in their weapon and armor crafting. Indeed, they made their gear to give and take a beating.

245 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:49:53pm

re: #238 SpaceJesus

I wasn’t even aware Scots had a recognized legal system. I thought that each party just picks up a midget and tosses it, and whosoever tosses their midget the furthest wins the case.

The Scots are credited with creating two sports: golf and curling.

I believe a certain animated rabbit took part in the settling of a dispute with a Scotsman by playing a game of golf.

246 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:50:59pm

re: #238 SpaceJesus

I wasn’t even aware Scots had a recognized legal system. I thought that each party just picks up a midget and tosses it, and whosoever tosses their midget the furthest wins the case.

Wait. I thought it was the Aussies who specialized in dwarf-tossing.

247 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:52:12pm

re: #241 windsagio

I’ve really never liked that idea, it carrys the implication of ‘oh man he totally did it, but somehow got away’

The Wiki article points out that originally the options were “proven/not proven” and a Scot jury supposedly reintroduced “not guilty” as a case of jury nullification.

The modern usage is essentially using the verdict as a sort of social/moral censure as you surmise. No official punishment, but definitely a stigma.

248 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:52:37pm

re: #246 RadicalModerate


we’ll have to wait for jimmah to show up to clear this i guess

249 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:52:39pm

re: #238 SpaceJesus

I wasn’t even aware Scots had a recognized legal system. I thought that each party just picks up a midget and tosses it, and whosoever tosses their midget the furthest wins the case.

No, you battle it out with claymores, each of ye carrying a ten-pound baby—maybe that’s just for women.

250 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:53:19pm

An excellent tweet courtesy of blainecapatch:

michelle bachmann’s husband looks like he “cures” gays by sucking the homosexuality out through their penises.


Youtube Video

Marcus Bachmann is a FANCY FANCY MAN hee hee

251 darthstar  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:53:26pm

re: #229 Alouette

And throwing the Jews down the well.

I’m sure that’s what drew SFZ to it in the first place. //?

252 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:54:59pm

Percy: Then there’s the Jumping Jews of Jerusalem!
Prince Edmund: And what do they do?
Percy: They jump, my lord. A lot.

:)

253 windsagio  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:57:04pm

re: #250 WindUpBird

OT for you:

“The previously vaunted investigation puzzle was still fascinating to watch be solved. A series of Illuminati-themed symbols are hidden around Kingsmouth, on drain covers and signs, and following them takes you to a plaque that gives you information about a man who died, his name and birth and death dates. That’s a dead end if you see the MMO’s walls as the extent of its own reality. Step into your world and you’ll discover he’s a real person, an artist, with a distinct style. Head to the town’s art museum and you’ll find a piece by him (actually, it’s by Funcom, but it’s remarkably faithfully created in his style) that contains further clues. Go to many of the other paintings in the exhibition and you’ll find false clues that will send you on wild goose chases.”

Its an MMO which you hate, but a concept you’d love.

254 dragonfire1981  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 12:59:00pm

re: #24 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Tea Party Nation Condemns “Non-European” Immigration

As a Canadian immigrant I say to her: Fuck Off

255 iossarian  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 1:00:00pm

re: #238 SpaceJesus

I wasn’t even aware Scots had a recognized legal system. I thought that each party just picks up a midget and tosses it, and whosoever tosses their midget the furthest wins the case.

I’m laughing, but I must also point out that we had a discussion about the “m” word this morning and it is not a good word.

So I’m the gray cloud of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS!!11!

256 windsagio  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 1:00:36pm

re: #254 dragonfire1981

I’m late, and presume that people already responded to that in depth, but let me just say, #24 is fucked up.

257 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 1:04:37pm

Let us all sing the Horst-Wessel-Lied!

The flag on high! The ranks closed tightly!
SA marches with calm, firm steps.
Comrades shot by Red Front and reactionaries
March in spirit within our ranks.

Clear the streets for the brownshirts,
Clear the streets for the stormtroopers!
Millions are filled with hope, when they see the swastika,
The day of freedom and bread is dawning!

The call has sounded for the last time
We all stand ready for the fight!
Soon Hitler’s flags will fly over all streets.
Our bondage will only last a short time more!

The flag on high! The ranks close tightly!
SA marches with calm, firm steps.
Comrades shot by Red Front and reactionaries
March in spirit within our ranks.

Of course the “Brown shirts of the SA” were then largely massacred wholesale by Hitler, they had served their purpose. Still the idiot Nazi’s continued to use it as a kind of national anthem and drinking song right up until the end of the war, and beyond.

Gotta love that this song was about a movement that Hitler betrayed and had all the leaders of it exterminated. More than 60 years later people still worship this insane Austrian corporal as some kind of visionary military genius.

Hitler. Lost. Now Get. Over. It!

258 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 1:06:15pm

re: #251 darthstar

I’m sure that’s what drew SFZ to it in the first place. //?

We are unrealistically culturally tolerant in the SCA.

(I play a fourteenth-century Jewish woman from northeastern Spain.)

259 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 1:06:23pm

re: #184 Charles

We’ve also picked up a few bots that keep checking for open registration, also originating in China, Russia, Romania, etc.

Ohhh…I hear Romanian trolls are the worst!

260 windsagio  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 1:07:57pm

re: #258 SanFranciscoZionist

The fun should always trump historical accuracy (except sometimes the suffering is part of the fun, I like to camp too :D)

261 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 1:10:19pm

re: #254 dragonfire1981

As a Canadian immigrant I say to her: Fuck Off

Oh, but she didn’t mean YOU.

;)

262 Spocomptonite  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 1:10:52pm

re: #137 iossarian

I went to CNN before deciding I really couldn’t be bothered with reading about the case. But this, on the other hand, is an important message for those people who think riding bikes without helmets is big and clever:

[Link: www.cnn.com…]

I cannot emphasize helmets enough. I’m just a bicyclist, and it was because of my helmet that I had no injuries from getting thrown to the pavement in my accident. The helmet itself got serious road rash and tiny pieces of asphalt embedded in the back of the helmet—instead of my head. I have friends that are no helmet riders and insist that its okay because they “don’t ride on busy roads like [I] do”. I got hit at under 10 mph on the most residential street imaginable 2 blocks from where I live. And even though I’m still in PT, 3 months later, it would have been so much worse without a helmet.

There is no time that going bare-noggin is okay. Bicycle or motorcycle: wear your helmet!!!!

263 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 1:12:24pm

re: #253 windsagio

I think i’ve heard of this game!

I remember a secret-society game in dev

264 windsagio  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 1:13:21pm

re: #263 WindUpBird

yeah, their whole thing is mixing the MMO world/tropes and reality. The idea of going outside to google or whatever and incorporating real people is amazing.

265 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 1:14:00pm

re: #264 windsagio

yeah, their whole thing is mixing the MMO world/tropes and reality. The idea of going outside to google or whatever and incorporating real people is amazing.

if they can pull it off, good for them

266 windsagio  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 1:14:40pm

re: #265 WindUpBird

here’s the actual preveiw

267 The Force Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jul 5, 2011 3:02:26pm

re: #213 SanFranciscoZionist

The haters of all things Muslim have adopted Salafist thought, and insist that it is the only true Islam.

It’s quite interesting.

They’re even picking and choosing amongst Salafists.

Not that I’m a fan of Salafism in general (I like religious liberty a lot, what with house house festooned with pagan idols), but the Islamophobes have latched onto the most radical variety…ironically, who are actually very “liberal” Salafists in how they interpret Sharia, particularly regarding the use of takfir and the rules of engagement and defining/conducting jihad. There exist Salafists critiques of Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups, which are very odd to read, because they’re not condemning a push for an Islamic theocracy—and some aren’t even condemning all violent action—but deplore the methodology being used and the (perceived) misuse of fiqh.


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