Michele Bachmann (R-Mars) Takes Slim Lead Over Mitt Romney in Iowa

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A new poll from Iowa has Michele Bachmann ahead of Mitt Romney; looks like her signature on that incredibly insane “marriage vow” boosted her popularity in the Iowa Tea Party base.

The conservative congresswoman finished first among the GOP presidential candidates in a poll released today by The Iowa Republican, a blog which bill itself as News for Republicans, by Republicans. Bachmann received support from 25 percent of likely Iowa caucus-goers. Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney received 21 percent, putting Bachmann’s lead within the poll’s 4.4 percent margin of error.

Bachmann officially launched her presidential campaign from her hometown of Waterloo, Iowa, and her first campaign ad touts her Iowa roots. She was also the first candidate to sign a “values” pledge created by Family Leader CEO Bob Vander Plaats, an influential Iowa Christian.

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1 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:01:39pm

She reminds me of a Stephen King character. Something between the Dark Zone and Mist.

2 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:03:44pm

I'll bet that Jesus guy got polled twice.
/

3 Kragar  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:04:10pm

re: #1 Sergey Romanov

She reminds me of a Stephen King character. Something between the Dark Zone and Mist.

Iowa: Children of the Corn

4 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:05:58pm

Those the gods wish to destroy, they first make great.... or at least highly visible...

5 Summer Seale  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:06:57pm

I so want her to get the nomination. You wouldn't even have to make attack ads...you just put video clips up of her:

1) Threatening to kill people who don't agree with her (as in when she said there are other methods of redress including the second amendment)

2) Saying that the Founding Fathers fought against slavery

3) Signing her name to ban pornography and a whole lot of other things

4) Saying that all abortions should be banned, including when the mother's life is at risk and for cases of rape and incest...

...the list goes on.

6 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:07:00pm

How crazy things must be that Michelle Fucking Bachmann is even a serious contender?

7 elizajane  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:07:16pm

In the August 2007 Iowa Straw Poll, Mitt Romney won with 4,516 votes and John McCain got 101. Yes, one hundred and one.

This suggests that Mitt's currency has fallen incredibly sharply in Iowa, but also --the good news -- that the predictive value of Iowa opinion in the summer before the election year is not very strong.

8 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:08:08pm

re: #5 Summer

If Bachmann is the nominee and economy is in tatters, these little zingers might not be very effective.

9 darthstar  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:08:28pm

re: #3 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Iowa: Children of the Corn


hole.

10 Kragar  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:09:12pm

re: #5 Summer

I so want her to get the nomination. You wouldn't even have to make attack ads...you just put video clips up of her:

1) Threatening to kill people who don't agree with her (as in when she said there are other methods of redress including the second amendment)

2) Saying that the Founding Fathers fought against slavery

3) Signing her name to ban pornography and a whole lot of other things

4) Saying that all abortions should be banned, including when the mother's life is at risk and for cases of rape and incest...

...the list goes on.

She did compare the Tea Party to the Light Brigade. The 2012 Election looks to be the Russian artillery.

11 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:09:26pm

PLEASE LET HER BE THE NOMINEE PLEASE

12 darthstar  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:09:28pm

re: #8 Sergey Romanov

If Bachmann is the nominee and economy is in tatters, these little zingers might not be very effective.

If she's elected, we'll be fondly looking back to the days when the economy was only in tatters.

13 Kragar  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:09:32pm

re: #9 darthstar

hole.

Again with the sodomy lobby.

14 garhighway  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:09:47pm

re: #5 Summer

I so want her to get the nomination. You wouldn't even have to make attack ads...you just put video clips up of her:

1) Threatening to kill people who don't agree with her (as in when she said there are other methods of redress including the second amendment)

2) Saying that the Founding Fathers fought against slavery

3) Signing her name to ban pornography and a whole lot of other things

4) Saying that all abortions should be banned, including when the mother's life is at risk and for cases of rape and incest...

...the list goes on.

Me, too. I want her to win at least a couple of early primaries.

Does that make us bad people?

15 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:09:54pm

re: #8 Sergey Romanov

If Bachmann is the nominee and economy is in tatters, these little zingers might not be very effective.

Except that I think the economy argument stands someone like Romney in better stead. I'm not sure how many voters will buy that Crazy Eyes Bachmann knows how to fix it, and indeed, her strategy seems to be 'pray and purify, and the economy will, you know, respond to that'.

16 darthstar  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:10:20pm

re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Again with the sodomy lobby.

Bachmann likes it that way, allegedly (Mr. or Mrs. - your choice)

17 makeitstop  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:10:55pm

re: #1 Sergey Romanov

She reminds me of a Stephen King character. Something between the Dark Zone and Mist.

Greg Stillson in drag.

18 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:11:01pm

re: #14 garhighway

Me, too. I want her to win at least a couple of early primaries.

Does that make us bad people?

No, it means we want to see Obama win and the Tea Party weeping and broken and crying into their fanny packs :D

19 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:11:09pm

re: #15 SanFranciscoZionist

Hopefully "anyone but Obama" mood won't be there when it matters.

20 makeitstop  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:12:09pm

re: #5 Summer

I so want her to get the nomination. You wouldn't even have to make attack ads...you just put video clips up of her:

1) Threatening to kill people who don't agree with her (as in when she said there are other methods of redress including the second amendment)

I think the 'Second Amendment Solutions' lady was Sharron Angle. Same grade of crazy, wrong person, though.

21 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:13:33pm

re: #12 darthstar

If she's elected, we'll be fondly looking back to the days when the economy was only in tatters.

My investment portfolio of chickens stuffed with ammunition is looking better and better.

22 Summer Seale  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:14:21pm

re: #20 makeitstop

I think the 'Second Amendment Solutions' lady was Sharron Angle. Same grade of crazy, wrong person, though.

You're right. It was. I retract that line. Consider this a formal retraction and mea culpa. =)

23 Kragar  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:16:21pm

re: #22 Summer

You're right. It was. I retract that line. Consider this a formal retraction and mea culpa. =)

She did say enemies of the US were serving in the Congress.

24 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:16:37pm

re: #18 WindUpBird

No, it means we want to see Obama win and the Tea Party weeping and broken and crying into their fanny packs :D

A defeated calvary riding hoverounds and wearing Crocs with socks.

25 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:16:55pm

re: #22 Summer

You're right. It was. I retract that line. Consider this a formal retraction and mea culpa. =)

Here's an article I liked:

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

26 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:17:44pm

re: #24 goddamnedfrank

... cavalry damnit, though it works both ways, kinda.

27 Bulworth  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:19:01pm
Bachmann received support from 25 percent of likely Iowa caucus-goers. Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney received 21 percent, putting Bachmann’s lead within the poll’s 4.4 percent margin of error.

Maybe time for Run, Sarah, Run to get the tour bus fired up again...

28 darthstar  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:21:24pm

re: #27 Bulworth

Maybe time for Run, Sarah, Run to get the tour bus fired up again...

Palin was floating the idea that she could win if she ran the other day...she's getting a little attention withdrawal these days...should be begging for media coverage in another week...hell, she might even let one of her kids get arrested if she doesn't get some camera time soon.

29 Lidane  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:23:57pm

re: #27 Bulworth

Maybe time for Run, Sarah, Run to get the tour bus fired up again...

Dear Caribou Barbie,

Since you love your independence so much, please consider a third party run for the White House. I'm sure the GOP will love you for it.

Sincerely,
Me

30 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:24:41pm

The general election debates are going to be hilarious!

31 darthstar  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:26:15pm

re: #29 Lidane

Dear Caribou Barbie,

Since you love your independence so much, please consider a third party run for the White House. I'm sure the GOP will love you for it.

Sincerely,
Me

Sarah Palin is the Norma Desmond of politics.

32 Lidane  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:27:58pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout

The general election debates are going to be hilarious!

And the GOP primary debates will be a cavalcade of fail. I really do need to stock up on booze and popcorn.

33 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:28:24pm

On that issue with our Twitter counters - I've heard from bit.ly and they've confirmed that someone has been messing with our statistics. Apparently they're discussing some kind of "definitive answer to this issue."

34 darthstar  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:28:36pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout

The general election debates are going to be hilarious!

Unfortunately, Michele Bachmann has a pretty good debate strategy. She just talks about what she wants to talk about and ignores the question (unlike Palin, who tried the same thing, Bachmann does it without announcing first that that is, in fact, what she's doing).

35 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:28:53pm

re: #19 Sergey Romanov

Hopefully "anyone but Obama" mood won't be there when it matters.

Let's just say that I really, really, hope that they don't mean ANYONE.

36 makeitstop  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:29:18pm

Tangentially related: In His Own Words: How I Went Undercover at Bachmann's Clinic

Truth Wins Out activist John Becker took a hidden camera with him to five therapy sessions at a Christian counseling center run by Marcus Bachmann.

37 recusancy  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:29:18pm

re: #8 Sergey Romanov

If Bachmann is the nominee and economy is in tatters, these little zingers might not be very effective.

I give the American people more credit than that.

38 Winny Spencer  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:30:04pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout

The general election debates are going to be hilarious!

I don't know about hilarious, but I'm confident that both Mittens and Obama can deliver a few good puns.

39 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:30:27pm

re: #36 makeitstop

Tangentially related: In His Own Words: How I Went Undercover at Bachmann's Clinic

Truth Wins Out activist John Becker took a hidden camera with him to five therapy sessions at a Christian counseling center run by Marcus Bachmann.

The cheap fur jacket should have been a giveaway.

40 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:31:05pm

re: #37 recusancy

I give the American people more credit than that.

Well, you know... 2004...

*ducks*

41 darthstar  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:31:10pm

Well, Gary Johnson self-selected himself out of contention for the GOP:

Republican presidential candidate and former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson spoke out over the weekend against the FAMiLY LEADER’s “marriage vow” that rivals Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) and former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA) have already signed. Arguing that “government should not be involved in the bedrooms of consenting adults,” Johnson condemned the pledge as “unRepublican” and a “promise to discriminate“.

Of course, the argument from the rest of the Republican field is that it doesn't discriminate against rich white people, so what the heck is he talking about?

42 Hawaii69  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:31:29pm

re: #1 Sergey Romanov

She reminds me of a Stephen King character. Something between the Dark Zone and Mist.

Dead Zone.

I've already said a few times that she's the closest thing
to Greg Stillson I've seen running for president.

Plus, her name is Bachmann....Kings' past pseudonym.

43 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:31:43pm

Iowa, why do you hate America?

44 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:34:21pm

re: #42 Hawaii69

Stilson+Mrs. Carmody.

45 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:34:27pm

re: #33 Charles

On that issue with our Twitter counters - I've heard from bit.ly and they've confirmed that someone has been messing with our statistics. Apparently they're discussing some kind of "definitive answer to this issue."

I wish them much success in this endeavor. The thought of frustrated, cheetos crusted fingers pleases me.

46 Kragar  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:35:40pm

re: #36 makeitstop

Tangentially related: In His Own Words: How I Went Undercover at Bachmann's Clinic

Truth Wins Out activist John Becker took a hidden camera with him to five therapy sessions at a Christian counseling center run by Marcus Bachmann.

They release the videos yet?

47 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:38:39pm

I've spoken with several conservative people who are fox news fixtures who think that she is out of her gourd and won't vote for her in the general. I really hope she or Paul pulls this shit off in the primaries.

48 makeitstop  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:39:27pm

re: #46 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They release the videos yet?

I just checked their site and didn't see any.

49 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:40:07pm

How well does she poll outside of Iowa?

50 darthstar  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:40:57pm

Okay...maybe next time he should stand closer to his target. It also sucks to lose a quick draw contest when the other person is a paper target. At least he'll get to be an internet sensation.

Youtube Video
51 makeitstop  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:42:41pm

re: #50 darthstar

Okay...maybe next time he should stand closer to his target. It also sucks to lose a quick draw contest when the other person is a paper target. At least he'll get to be an internet sensation.

[Video]

Wotta maroon.

52 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:43:08pm

OT: I've been following and criticizing Andy for a while now, but I never realized he was coercing teen students to help him write Conservapedia. This shit needs to be stopped.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

53 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:45:51pm

re: #5 Summer

Obama by 15%. Easy.

54 darthstar  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:47:14pm

Newt Gingrich never thought of this one...otherwise he would have used it:

Neil Livingstone (R) and Ryan Zinke (R) kicked off their campaign for Montana governor and lieutenant governor by showing off "a 38-foot recreational vehicle decorated with their larger-than-life photos and campaign information" that they intend to drive across the state, the Billings Gazette reports.

"But then Zinke accidentally got the big rig rolling before he could stop it, and it slowly ran into a Helena supporter's 1964 sky blue Chevrolet Camaro convertible."

55 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:47:48pm

Best Public Service Announcement EVER, set in a dystopian future in which Grandpa is jailed for believing in God, courtesy of the American Family Association, via WFMU:

MP3 Audio
56 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:47:55pm

Paul Ryan fails again....
Image: 610x.jpg

The recession ended a while ago...

The National Bureau of Economic Research announced on September 20, 2010 that the 2008/2009 recession ended in June 2009, making it the longest recession since World War II
57 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:48:03pm

Clinton’s pro-Bachmann stance unreal

It seems that Palin has replaced George W. Bush as the person many liberal Americans love to hate. That has benefited Bachmann, who is getting compliments aimed at bolstering her candidacy at Palin’s expense. Democrats well understand that the GOP does not have room for both women in the primary fray. They would split the Tea Party vote.

Last time I checked, Palin isn't running for office, and Bachmann isn't on some goofy media-circus bus tour, so I don't really see Bachmann benefiting in any way "at Palin's expense".

58 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:48:07pm

re: #52 ausador

OT: I've been following and criticizing Andy for a while now, but I never realized he was coercing teen students to help him write Conservapedia. This shit needs to be stopped.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

My. I knew kids were doing it, but I thought it was on a volunteer sort of basis.

Conservapedia is just weird.

59 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:48:23pm

re: #58 SanFranciscoZionist

My. I knew kids were doing it, but I thought it was on a volunteer sort of basis.

Conservapedia is just weird.

Do they have any idea what's wrong with THIN atheists?

60 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:48:53pm

re: #41 darthstar

Well, Gary Johnson self-selected himself out of contention for the GOP:

Of course, the argument from the rest of the Republican field is that it doesn't discriminate against rich white people, so what the heck is he talking about?

I can't make a comment post over there, so I'll say it here: How does that square with his vote for Chuck Baldwin in 2008? Chuck could have written that pledge. Gary Johnson helped the Constitution Party attain ballot status in NM by voting for Baldwin. Could Johnson have changed so much in 3 years? Or is he just another lying sack of shit Libertarian? You may have surmised my opinion....

61 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:49:07pm

re: #59 SanFranciscoZionist

Do they have any idea what's wrong with THIN atheists?

And can I assume that we fat people who believe in God are simply so smart that not even our chunkiness can get in the way of our brain function?

//I like that interpretation. I think it's a crock, but I like it.

62 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:50:03pm

re: #50 darthstar

That's what you get when you treat those things like toys. That dumb fucker is lucky no one got killed.

63 Gus  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:51:18pm

Facepalm moment for the GOP. I'm sure Democrats will high five each other over this -- for good reason. Bachmann makes Palin look normal in comparison. Keep in mind that wannabe theocrat Huckabee won in Iowa.

64 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:51:45pm

re: #60 wrenchwench

Maybe Johnson has had a change of heart and doesn't support that Constitution Party crap anymore. Doesn't that party want to criminalize homosexuality?

65 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:51:48pm

re: #55 000G

Best Public Service Announcement EVER, set in a dystopian future in which Grandpa is jailed for believing in God, courtesy of the American Family Association, via WFMU:

[Video]

Lololol. Even Commies didn't outlaw religion. These guys are pigs.

66 jvic  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:52:19pm

re: #29 Lidane

Dear Caribou Barbie,

Since you love your independence so much, please consider a third party run for the White House. I'm sure the GOP will love you for it.

For reasons 180° different from yours, I've been wondering about the sane thing.

Palin's latest Facebook post did not contain the terms 'Republican' or 'GOP'.

I've commented before that she may be waiting to see how the latest Palin movie does.

67 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:52:31pm

re: #62 Slumbering Behemoth

That's what you get when you treat those things like toys. That dumb fucker is lucky no one got killed.

Someone got 'killed'. The 2-dimensional bad guy still has a bead on him.

68 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:52:38pm

re: #55 000G

That would be funny if not for the fact that so many people take that kind of goofy, bullshit propaganda seriously.

69 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:53:03pm

re: #17 makeitstop

Greg Stillson in drag.

Brrr.

Youtube Video
70 darthstar  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:53:06pm

re: #62 Slumbering Behemoth

That's what you get when you treat those things like toys. That dumb fucker is lucky no one got killed.

He's lucky he didn't shoot himself through the femoral artery. Then he wouldn't be a Youtube sensation, but a Darwin award winner.

71 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:55:57pm

re: #64 SpaceJesus

Maybe Johnson has had a change of heart and doesn't support that Constitution Party crap anymore. Doesn't that party want to criminalize homosexuality?

From Wiki:

The party opposes same-sex marriage, and believes state and local governments have the right to criminalize "offensive sexual behavior"

Yes to that part.

Johnson hasn't had a change of heart. He's a Libertarian/Republican, as is Ron Paul, and they pick any political position they want. Johnson has not disavowed his vote for Baldwin, he's just pretending it didn't happen.

72 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:56:09pm

re: #68 Slumbering Behemoth

That would be funny if not for the fact that so many people take that kind of goofy, bullshit propaganda seriously.

Well, anything that is funny is based on stuff taken seriously by other people.

73 Gus  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:56:28pm

re: #55 000G

Best Public Service Announcement EVER, set in a dystopian future in which Grandpa is jailed for believing in God, courtesy of the American Family Association, via WFMU:

[Video]

If Footmen Tire You, What Will Horses Do? (Part 1 of 6)

Youtube Video
74 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:56:36pm

re: #67 Decatur Deb

re: #70 darthstar

I'm a firm believer in the right of the people to bear arms, and it's stupid assholes like that which give responsible people like me a bad name.

75 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:59:17pm

re: #50 darthstar

Okay...maybe next time he should stand closer to his target. It also sucks to lose a quick draw contest when the other person is a paper target. At least he'll get to be an internet sensation.

[Video]

OMG
Don't touch the trigger until the gun is level! Looked like a regular semi autopistol. I hope his knee parts are all still there. At the classes I took, and later taught- at that distance you do not go for the gun. You step back or you have a fistfight. No gun in punching / kicking range and this is exactly why.

76 Hawaii69  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 12:59:36pm

re: #66 jvic

For reasons 180° different from yours, I've been wondering about the sane thing.

I think when it comes to these two, many of us are wondering about the sane thing....

77 aagcobb  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:00:12pm

I don't understand why T-Paw hasn't signed the marriage vow yet. Is it possible he has a shred of integrity, and won't sign even though he desperately needs to win Iowa?

78 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:00:19pm

re: #73 Gus 802

Do we have any red gravel?

79 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:01:17pm

re: #60 wrenchwench

I can't make a comment post over there, so I'll say it here: How does that square with his vote for Chuck Baldwin in 2008? Chuck could have written that pledge. Gary Johnson helped the Constitution Party attain ballot status in NM by voting for Baldwin. Could Johnson have changed so much in 3 years? Or is he just another lying sack of shit Libertarian? You may have surmised my opinion...

Exactly right! This is one of the major reasons I distrust Gary Johnson's "moderation." No one could possibly support Chuck Baldwin without knowing full well what he stands for. Baldwin and the Constitution Party are overt theocrats.

80 jvic  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:01:18pm

re: #60 wrenchwench

...Could Johnson have changed so much in 3 years? Or is he just another lying sack of shit Libertarian? You may have surmised my opinion...

And your manners.

81 Gus  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:02:08pm

re: #78 Slumbering Behemoth

Do we have any red gravel?

Let me look. We might need that for the Party of God Gravel.

//

82 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:02:42pm

She ain't gonna be elected or nominated.

83 jvic  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:02:56pm

re: #79 Charles

Exactly right! This is one of the major reasons I distrust Gary Johnson's "moderation." No one could possibly support Chuck Baldwin without knowing full well what he stands for. Baldwin and the Constitution Party are overt theocrats.

I completely agree that Johnson should be put on the spot about this.

84 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:03:34pm

re: #80 jvic

Her manners seem fine to me. Sometimes you have to call a lying sack of shit precisely what it is.

85 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:03:47pm

re: #80 jvic

And your manners.

You're pretty sensitive.

As I recall, you had not decided whether you liked Gary Johnson yet. Still thinking?

86 Gus  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:03:52pm

re: #49 Slumbering Behemoth

How well does she poll outside of Iowa?

This was the latest from Gallup. No clear front runner yet. Otherwise...

Bachmann in Strong Position as She Enters 2012 Race
Bachmann's name recognition is 69%, with highest Positive Intensity Score
by Frank Newport

Bachmann finds herself in a relatively positive position among Republicans as she begins her formal campaign. Her name recognition is up to 69% for the two-week period of June 13-26, having climbed from 52% in late February/early March. This places her fifth among the most well-known Republicans Gallup measures, behind Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney, and Ron Paul, but well ahead of Tim Pawlenty, Jon Huntsman, and several other competitors. Bachmann's Positive Intensity Score of 24 ties with Herman Cain's as the highest such score of any candidate, and is her highest to date. Bachmann's ability to maintain her relatively high Positive Intensity Score as she has become better known distinguishes her from several of her competitors.

Continues.

87 Gus  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:05:54pm

And this...

Cain, Huntsman, Bachmann, Pawlenty Gain Most in Recognition
Conservative Republicans more familiar with almost all candidates than are moderates/liberals
by Frank Newport

PRINCETON, NJ -- Herman Cain, Jon Huntsman, Michele Bachmann, and Tim Pawlenty have gained the most in name recognition so far this year of any of the Republican presidential candidates Gallup tracks...

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88 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:06:12pm

re: #86 Gus 802

Thanks. I tried googling it, but got stuck on that goofy piece written by Bill O'rly.

89 Gus  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:07:28pm

Somewhat related...

In U.S., 3 in 10 Say They Take the Bible Literally
Plurality view Bible as inspired word of God but say not everything in it should be taken literally
by Jeffrey M. Jones

PRINCETON, NJ -- Three in 10 Americans interpret the Bible literally, saying it is the actual word of God. That is similar to what Gallup has measured over the last two decades, but down from the 1970s and 1980s. A 49% plurality of Americans say the Bible is the inspired word of God but that it should not be taken literally, consistently the most common view in Gallup's nearly 40-year history of this question. Another 17% consider the Bible an ancient book of stories recorded by man.

Continues.

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90 Jaerik  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:08:24pm

With any luck, she'll come very close to the nomination, and force the GOP to have a very public and very painful last-second exorcism of the more psychotic religious elements in the party.

I would seriously consider voting Republican again, if it weren't for all the religious-pandering science-denying social-conservative bullcrap.

91 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:09:01pm

re: #89 Gus 802

Somewhat related...

In U.S., 3 in 10 Say They Take the Bible Literally
Plurality view Bible as inspired word of God but say not everything in it should be taken literally
by Jeffrey M. Jones

Image: hceygndr4uojctl7bvuwqq.gif

*Sits proudly with the 17%ers.*

92 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:09:47pm

re: #89 Gus 802

Somewhat related...

In U.S., 3 in 10 Say They Take the Bible Literally
Plurality view Bible as inspired word of God but say not everything in it should be taken literally
by Jeffrey M. Jones


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Wonder how many of them were lefties.

93 recusancy  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:09:58pm

re: #40 Sergey Romanov

Well, you know... 2004...

*ducks*

Ya... That's true. I think people overlook utter incompetence if you mean well (also it doesn't hurt to make them afraid). I don't think Bachman will come off as "meaning well". But, who knows.

94 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:10:40pm

re: #89 Gus 802

:sigh:

95 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:11:54pm

re: #54 darthstar

Newt Gingrich never thought of this one...otherwise he would have used it:

"But then Zinke accidentally got the big rig rolling before he could stop it, and it slowly ran into a Helena supporter's 1964 sky blue Chevrolet Camaro convertible."

Fascinating. The logic distortion field around Republican candidates is so strong it can transport cars from alternate realities.

96 jvic  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:12:30pm

re: #84 Slumbering Behemoth

Her manners seem fine to me. Sometimes you have to call a lying sack of shit precisely what it is.

Or is he just another lying sack of shit Libertarian?

Or is he just another lying sack of shit Democrat?

Or is he just another lying sack of shit Republican?

Statements like these don't seem mannerly to me.

97 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:12:50pm

re: #90 Jaerik

With any luck, she'll come very close to the nomination, and force the GOP to have a very public and very painful last-second exorcism of the more psychotic religious elements in the party.

I doubt there will be a last second revelation of that sort in the GOP. They need to feel the sting of many lost elections, and deserved to, before I think they'll muster the strength to pull their heads out of their asses.

98 engineer cat  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:13:09pm

michelle bachmann is being used as a overton window stage effect that will make smiley smiley look so reasonable when he is finally nominated over the dead bodies of wingnutz

99 aagcobb  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:13:18pm

re: #50 darthstar

Okay...maybe next time he should stand closer to his target. It also sucks to lose a quick draw contest when the other person is a paper target. At least he'll get to be an internet sensation.

[Video]

Am I bad because I think this is fucking hilarious?

100 Gus  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:14:08pm

re: #88 Slumbering Behemoth

Thanks. I tried googling it, but got stuck on that goofy piece written by Bill O'rly.

Look here for more polls.

RealClearPolitics - Latest Polls

Romney seems to be ahead in most other states.

101 Obdicut  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:14:21pm

re: #96 jvic

Or is he just another lying sack of shit Libertarian?

Or is he just another lying sack of shit Democrat?

Or is he just another lying sack of shit Republican?

Statements like these don't seem mannerly to me.

Well, there's a large number of lying sack of shit libertarians. I'm sure there's a lot of earnest, good ones at the individual level, but in terms of spokespeople or candidates, Libertarians tend towards the lying and the shitty.

I'm not really sure what you're finding unmannerly-- the party identification?

102 recusancy  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:14:34pm

re: #98 engineer dog

michelle bachmann is being used as a overton window stage effect that will make smiley smiley look so reasonable when he is finally nominated over the dead bodies of wingnutz

Yuppers

103 Gus  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:15:10pm

General Election: Bachmann vs. Obama

RCP Average 6/2 - 6/23 -- 51.0 36.7 Obama +14.3
McClatchy/Marist 6/15 - 6/23 390 RV 49 37 Obama +12
Reuters/Ipsos 6/3 - 6/6 1132 A 53 33 Obama +20
ABC News/Wash Post 6/2 - 6/5 RV 51 40 Obama +11

104 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:16:08pm

re: #98 engineer dog

michelle bachmann is being used as a overton window stage effect that will make smiley smiley look so reasonable when he is finally nominated over the dead bodies of wingnutz

Overton Window Dressing?

105 Gus  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:16:33pm

General Election: Romney vs. Obama

RCP Average 5/31 - 6/23 -- 47.6 43.0 Obama +4.6
McClatchy/Marist 6/15 - 6/23 390 RV 46 42 Obama +4
Democracy Corps (D) 6/18 - 6/21 1000 RV 47 45 Obama +2
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 6/9 - 6/13 RV 49 43 Obama +6
PPP (D) 6/9 - 6/12 520 RV 47 45 Obama +2
FOX News 6/5 - 6/7 912 RV 48 41 Obama +7
Reuters/Ipsos 6/3 - 6/6 1132 A 51 38 Obama +13
ABC News/Wash Post 6/2 - 6/5 RV 46 49 Romney +3
Quinnipiac 5/31 - 6/6 1946 RV 47 41 Obama +6

106 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:16:46pm

re: #103 Gus 802

Polls are only relevant when they reflect what we believe, or say what we want them to say.
/

107 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:16:46pm

re: #104 SanFranciscoZionist

Overton Window Dressing?

Potempkin Republican?

108 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:16:51pm

re: #103 Gus 802

General Election: Bachmann vs. Obama

Rasmussen Bachmann+11ty
/

109 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:17:12pm

re: #103 Gus 802

General Election: Bachmann vs. Obama

It's scary that she even gets 36% of the vote.

110 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:17:37pm

re: #96 jvic

Or is he just another lying sack of shit Libertarian?

Or is he just another lying sack of shit Democrat?

Or is he just another lying sack of shit Republican?

Statements like these don't seem mannerly to me.

Is it the "libertarian" part that got you? Do you think I would not call a member of one of those other parties a lying sack of shit if he or she deserved it?

Really, I should apologize. I'm overwrought. I'm getting annoyed at the fact that Gary Johnson is getting a complete pass on his past. As if being Governor of New Mexico was credential enough. (See: Bill Richardson.)

111 Gus  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:17:48pm

re: #109 Dreggas

It's scary that she even gets 36% of the vote.

Yeah. But that's America.

112 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:18:01pm

re: #108 Varek Raith

Rasmussen Bachmann+11ty
/

Rassmussen: Vader +22

113 tnguitarist  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:18:14pm

re: #54 darthstar

Except for the fact that Camaros didn't exist in 1964.

114 Jaerik  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:18:23pm

I never had much of a problem with Big-L Libertarians. I always found their reasoning more internally consistent than the rest, (small government in both fiscal and social matters), which is an enormous plus for me.

Then the GOP imploded under Bush, and hardcore conservatives bailing from the tarnished brand because they weren't conservative enough all started calling themselves Libertarians. (See: Glenn Beck and others.) And to capitalize on the sudden interest, the big-L party caved to accommodate and pander to them.

Or, as in the case of Rand and Ron Paul, they just decided to run as GOP anyway because hey, once you have to parrot the social conservatives parts to get enough votes, who are they really kidding anyway.

115 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:18:23pm

I get this ad at LGF at this moment:

[Link: googleads.g.doubleclick.net...]

116 Gus  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:18:32pm

re: #108 Varek Raith

Rasmussen Bachmann+11ty
/

I should see what they're reporting.

117 darthstar  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:19:13pm

re: #113 tnguitarist

Except for the fact that Camaros didn't exist in 1964.

I'm guessing it was a 67...I almost bought one of those back when you could get one for $2,500.

118 aagcobb  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:19:33pm

re: #98 engineer dog

michelle bachmann is being used as a overton window stage effect that will make smiley smiley look so reasonable when he is finally nominated over the dead bodies of wingnutz

I was thinking Romney might nominate Bachmann as his VP to appease the TP, but that would just be making McCain's mistake. I think now he selects T-Paw or someone like him, and gamble that the crazy base will go to the polls to vote against Obama.

119 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:19:44pm

Apropos your comment about Bachmann: I've always been a strong supporter of a manned mission to Mars simply because I have a long list of people I'd like to send there!

120 Obdicut  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:20:21pm

re: #114 Jaerik

I never had much of a problem with Big-L Libertarians. I always found their reasoning more internally consistent than the rest, (small government in both fiscal and social matters), which is an enormous plus for me.

But it's not true. You really won't find many Big-L libertarians who hold those views, these days. Most of them are neo-confederates, who want states to do the social conservatism.


hen the GOP imploded under Bush, and hardcore conservatives bailing from the tarnished brand because they weren't conservative enough all started calling themselves Libertarians. (See: Glenn Beck and others.) And to capitalize on the sudden interest, the big-L party caved to accommodate and pander to them.

So who were these stalwart Libertarians of yesteryear?


Or, as in the case of Rand and Ron Paul, they just decided to run as GOP anyway because hey, once you have to parrot the social conservatives parts to get enough votes, who are they really kidding

Are you really not aware that Ron Paul is a massive social conservative and wants, for example, an amendment banning abortion?

121 makeitstop  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:20:57pm

re: #91 Varek Raith

*Sits proudly with the 17%ers.*

Got space on that bench?

122 jvic  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:20:58pm

wrenchwench,

I see you updinged my comment that criticized your manners. I have reciprocated on your #85. Hopefully that serves as an exchange of olive branches.

Yes, I lean toward Johnson although I haven't made a final choice. I will need a satisfactory explanation of the Baldwin matter before making a donation.

Best I log off and get to work or I won't be making any donations to anybody.

123 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:21:05pm

OT: The GOP's mask continues to slip...

The Ticket: GOP leaders say they’ve sacrificed enough already on debt negotiations

Amid ongoing negotiations with President Obama over raising the debt ceiling, House Republican leaders responded to Obama's call Monday for compromise by saying that their openness to raising the debt ceiling at all is sacrifice enough.

"A vote to increase the debt limit in this country is an existential question for a fiscal conservative," House Majority Leader Eric Cantor said Monday. "These votes aren't easy. ...What I don't think that the White House understands is how difficult it is for fiscal conservatives to say they're going to vote for a debt ceiling increase."

Congressional leaders are heading into a second straight day of negotiations with the president today over raising the nation's $14.3 trillion debt ceiling, which Republicans have refused to support without "major" cuts to federal spending. The White House has suggested a compromise that includes restructuring the nation's entitlement programs--currently the main drivers of debt--in exchange for tax increases, but Republicans continue to refuse any deal that raises rates.

"Adding tax increases to the equation doesn't balance anything," House Speaker John Boehner said before today's meeting with Obama, arguing that as a lead Republican negotiator on the issue, he's already "going to take my fair share" of hurt by merely talking to the president about raising the debt limit.

Note that none of these "fiscal conservatives" had a problem with voting for the Ryan Plan, which would still have posted deficits for the next decade before it began to "balance" the budget.

124 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:22:01pm

re: #119 reuven

Apropos your comment about Bachmann: I've always been a strong supporter of a manned mission to Mars simply because I have a long list of people I'd like to send there!

Considering the direction of politics and political discourse in this country, I'd like to move there my damn self!

125 makeitstop  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:22:25pm

re: #104 SanFranciscoZionist

Overton Window Dressing?

I prefer thousand island, please.
/

126 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:22:55pm

re: #114 Jaerik

I never had much of a problem with Big-L Libertarians. I always found their reasoning more internally consistent than the rest, (small government in both fiscal and social matters), which is an enormous plus for me.

Internal consistency is the hobgobblin of small minds, or something like that.

Seriously, I think they use the 'internal consistency' as a crutch to support all kinds of poorly-thought-out, cruel and inhuman (but consistent!) positions. And that's not new.

127 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:23:19pm

re: #120 Obdicut

But it's not true. You really won't find many Big-L libertarians who hold those views, these days. Most of them are neo-confederates, who want states to do the social conservatism.

So who were these stalwart Libertarians of yesteryear?

Are you really not aware that Ron Paul is a massive social conservative and wants, for example, an amendment banning abortion?

Somehow, the Pauls and their ideal of absolute freedom seem to pick up a number of little riders that will help...and perfectly mimic straight so-con.

Do they believe them? Hell if I know. Do I think they'd implement them to stay in power? Hell yeah.

128 Gus  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:23:29pm

Well. Back in May Rasmussen had Obama ahead of everybody in their candidate pool.

[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]

129 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:24:43pm

re: #122 jvic

wrenchwench,

I see you updinged my comment that criticized your manners. I have reciprocated on your #85. Hopefully that serves as an exchange of olive branches.

Yes, I lean toward Johnson although I haven't made a final choice. I will need a satisfactory explanation of the Baldwin matter before making a donation.

Best I log off and get to work or I won't be making any donations to anybody.

As long as you lean toward Gary Johnson, I will continue to issue beatings. And use unmannerly language.

Please do pursue an answer to his INCONSISTENCY.

130 jvic  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:25:04pm

re: #110 wrenchwench

Is it the "libertarian" part that got you? Do you think I would not call a member of one of those other parties a lying sack of shit if he or she deserved it?

Really, I should apologize. I'm overwrought. I'm getting annoyed at the fact that Gary Johnson is getting a complete pass on his past. As if being Governor of New Mexico was credential enough. (See: Bill Richardson.)

I apologize too. I should have asked you if you meant to make a blanket comment about all Libertarians (and libertarians).

131 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:25:07pm

re: #126 wrenchwench

Internal consistency is the hobgobblin of small minds, or something like that.

Seriously, I think they use the 'internal consistency' as a crutch to support all kinds of poorly-thought-out, cruel and inhuman (but consistent!) positions. And that's not new.

Just take Al Capone's premises and apply Aquinas's elaboration consistently, and you'll have the meat of it.

132 darthstar  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:25:20pm

re: #128 Gus 802

Well. Back in May Rasmussen had Obama ahead of everybody in their candidate pool.

[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]

Just goes to show that a blind nut can tell the right squirrel at least twice a day.

133 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:25:25pm

re: #115 Sergey Romanov

I get this ad at LGF at this moment...

Yep. That's what happens when the talk turns to Ron Paul or Michele Bachmann -- the keywords they purchase from Adsense start matching, and here come the ads.

I actually asked Google once if they were categorizing sites as left or right wing, and the answer was no -- it's all keyword-based.

134 Gus  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:27:32pm

A look back...

What Dick Cheney Really Thinks About Deficits

Shortly before he was fired, [Treasury Secretary Paul O'neill] confronted Cheney about the Administration's latest proposal to cut taxes by another six hundred and seventy-four billion dollars over ten years, pointing out that the country was "moving toward a fiscal crisis." The Vice-President stopped him. "Reagan proved deficits don't matter," he said. "We won the midterms. This is our due."

135 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:28:00pm

re: #130 jvic

I apologize too. I should have asked you if you meant to make a blanket comment about all Libertarians (and libertarians).

I don't think they are all lying sacks of shit, but I do have reservations about the 'philosophy', if that's what it is, and do not support the Party at all (as you may have gathered).

136 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:28:09pm

re: #123 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

OT: The GOP's mask continues to slip...


Note that none of these "fiscal conservatives" had a problem with voting for the Ryan Plan, which would still have posted deficits for the next decade before it began to "balance" the budget.

Also note that they had no problem, as fiscal conservatives, raising the debt ceiling when W was in the white house. There was no mask to begin with but there was a lapdog media eager to try and provide one.

137 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:28:42pm

I prefer candidates who write their own positions. (Or at least have the writers on their own staff.)

138 darthstar  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:32:44pm

Stumbled onto hashtag #BDS on twitter a few minutes ago. Any of our Israeli experts know what the fuck is going on? Did Israel just outlaw freedom of expression(or at least non-violent expression)?

139 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:33:40pm

re: #136 Dreggas

Also note that they had no problem, as fiscal conservatives, raising the debt ceiling when W was in the white house. There was no mask to begin with but there was a lapdog media eager to try and provide one.

This is the sort of thing that pisses me off, regardless of party affiliation.

"Fer it when it's my team, agin' when it's their team".

It's insulting the intelligence of all thinking people.

140 Cheechako  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:34:38pm

re: #66 jvic


Do you really think Sara actually wrote that Facebook page? Read it closely...all the sentences are too short. Her thoughts don't run together into one sentence paragraphs.

Had to be a ghost-writer.

141 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:35:24pm

re: #6 Sergey Romanov

This country is circling the drain.

142 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:36:42pm

re: #141 Amory Blaine

This country is circling the drain.

Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the bible thumping, theocratic right?
/

143 makeitstop  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:36:43pm

I love typos!

Politico has a piece today on the House GOP pursuing legislation to “save” the incandescent light bulb. In a promotional email, the publication said Republicans “will blow their Tea Party base,” when Politico meant to say Republicans will “bow to their Tea Party base.”

Either, or.

144 darthstar  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:37:00pm

re: #140 Cheechako

Do you really think Sara actually wrote that Facebook page? Read it closely...all the sentences are too short. Her thoughts don't run together into one sentence paragraphs.

Had to be a ghost-writer.

And, at Fox News, a ghost editor who cut it down to three paragraphs:
[Link: nation.foxnews.com...]

145 Alexzander  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:37:02pm

re: #138 darthstar

Stumbled onto hashtag #BDS on twitter a few minutes ago. Any of our Israeli experts know what the fuck is going on? Did Israel just outlaw freedom of expression(or at least non-violent expression)?

Apparently there is a new law outlawing support for "Boycott, Divestment Sanctions" in Israel.

Here's the Haaretz editorial in opposition to the law:

The boycott law subverts Israeli democracy

Knesset members who vote for the anti-Boycott Law must understand they are supporting the gagging of protest in an effort to liquidate democracy.

Haaretz Editorial

146 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:37:09pm

re: #123 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

"Adding tax increases to the equation doesn't balance anything," House Speaker John Boehner

.....Except the budget,

147 celticdragon  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:37:11pm

re: #126 wrenchwench

Internal consistency is the hobgobblin of small minds, or something like that.

Seriously, I think they use the 'internal consistency' as a crutch to support all kinds of poorly-thought-out, cruel and inhuman (but consistent!) positions. And that's not new.

Exactly. We had something close to a Randian model of society back in the 1870's and 1880's. Little or no regulation...no income taxes...big business did whatever the fuck they wanted and people worked 70 hours a week in the factories, including their kids. If a gal didn't want to do the work, she could starve or be a prostitute. If a ten year old girl didn't want to work, she could starve...or be a prostitute. Unions got shot up by Pinkerton thugs. If you got brown lung or black lung, or the clothes factory caught on fire while you were working, then you were shit out of luck. Society and the company owed you nothing. You should have bootstrapped yourself and been a big business man or had the good sense to screw a big businessman and take his pocketbook while you were *ahem* pleasuring him.

I am not interested in going back to a Libertarian idea of free enterprise.

148 allegro  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:37:34pm

re: #123 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

What I don't think that the White House understands is how difficult it is for fiscal conservatives to say they're going to vote for a debt ceiling increase."

Yeah right. Like no one noticed that they did it SEVEN TIMES during the Bush administration. They wept all the way to their seats to vote, I'm so sure. It was so hard for them to piss away that Clinton surplus to create the massive debt that is now an existential fucking threat.

These lying liars just make me want to slap the ever lovin' snot outa them.

149 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:39:05pm

re: #138 darthstar

Stumbled onto hashtag #BDS on twitter a few minutes ago. Any of our Israeli experts know what the fuck is going on? Did Israel just outlaw freedom of expression(or at least non-violent expression)?

What's probably going on: there's a law being considered that would allow civil suits against companies and organizations participating in the BDS boycotts, as well as not permitting the government to do business with such.

Ill-advised, in my newly formed opinion, since I just heard about this this AM, although I cannot figure out how the Israeli government was doing business with companies that were boycotting Israel to begin with. But the civil suit part sounds like a poor idea to me, based on the little I know.

It might have passed. I'm writing lesson plans, and haven't been checking.

150 darthstar  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:39:13pm

re: #145 Alexzander

Apparently there is a new law outlawing support for "Boycott, Divestment Sanctions" in Israel.

Here's the Haaretz editorial in opposition to the law:

Ah...I get it...Boycotts actually do work, hence the law. Thanks.

151 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:40:04pm

re: #138 darthstar

Wingnuttery is wingnuttery anywhere. I don't see how the Israeli right are any better than the US right.

152 darthstar  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:40:54pm

re: #149 SanFranciscoZionist

From the discussion it looks like it did pass and that some Israelis are taking to the streets in Rabin square to protest...at least I think that was the name of the square.

153 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:42:11pm

re: #151 Sergey Romanov

By the way, this is showing up in our referrers:

[Link: hateblogwatch.yuku.com...]

154 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:42:22pm

Ed Morrisey makes a strange attempt at covering the Murdoch scandal by attacking NPR....
Video: Beware the government-media complex, says … NPR’s Nina Totenberg?

Youtube Video

....the last person who should complain about the intertwining of government and news media for any reason is a journalist whose paycheck relies on taxpayer subsidies.

155 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:42:31pm

Ah, yeah, it did go through.

Fun and games. I wonder if the courts will let it stand.

156 Lidane  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:44:02pm

re: #123 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Note that none of these "fiscal conservatives" had a problem with voting for the Ryan Plan, which would still have posted deficits for the next decade before it began to "balance" the budget.

That's because the Ryan plan was being proposed by a Republican. It's the same reason none of these "fiscal conservatives" gave a damn when they raised the debt ceiling under Dubya, but now it's the end of civilization because a Democrat's in the Oval Office.

157 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:44:06pm

re: #153 Charles

By the way, this is showing up in our referrers:

[Link: hateblogwatch.yuku.com...]

Lefty nutbag forum!
Lol, what idiots.

158 Obdicut  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:44:15pm

re: #154 Killgore Trout

Which is a direct lie.

159 darthstar  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:44:20pm

re: #155 SanFranciscoZionist

Ah, yeah, it did go through.

Fun and games. I wonder if the courts will let it stand.

Laws like can be good, because they can inspire the voters to change the government...just so long as the new government remembers to undo the laws that helped get them into office.

160 Alexzander  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:44:22pm

re: #155 SanFranciscoZionist

Ah, yeah, it did go through.

Fun and games. I wonder if the courts will let it stand.

My initial reaction is that it wont stand, its its written in quite vague language that may include media coverage etc. Its almost like passing this law was an immediate victory for the pro-BDS group actually.

161 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:44:25pm

hahaha nothing like some hyperbole!

the loathsome ultrasatanic hatredhatey-hate-hate devil demon bad bad man blogger Sergey Romanov promoted his worse-than-hitler megahypergigahorror blog

162 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:44:31pm

re: #153 Charles

By the way, this is showing up in our referrers:

[Link: hateblogwatch.yuku.com...]

Yeah, this is my personal stalker Carmelo Lisciotto (from Chicago, IL). From Carmelo's rant:

The loathsome hate blogger Sergey Romanov was spotted on the lefty nutbag forum (LGF) proselytizing his hate blog (Holocaust Controversies) again.
163 Gus  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:44:34pm

re: #154 Killgore Trout

Ed Morrisey makes a strange attempt at covering the Murdoch scandal by attacking NPR...
Video: Beware the government-media complex, says … NPR’s Nina Totenberg?

[Video]

Look at the birdie! Look at the birdie!

164 BishopX  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:44:38pm

re: #149 SanFranciscoZionist

I believe that the law bans the government from doing business with groups that practice BDS (of either Israel or the settlements specifically) or advocate for it in such a way as to create "a reasonable possibility" of a boycott happening. It's entirely possible that there a NGOs within Israel calling for a boycott of the settlements which would lose their tax-exempt status.

165 Jaerik  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:45:05pm

re: #120 Obdicut

I think you're re-stating what I was saying. I used to at least respect the Libertarians who were both socially and fiscally small-government. If you dig back in the party's platform decades ago, you'll see a lot more of that than you do now. You'll even see some surprises, like quite a bit of pro-environmental regulation stances, under the reasoning that like common defense, such a thing can't be left to private ventures to manage through self-interest. (Tragedy of the Commons and all that.)

Then you ended up with the new libertarians who, in order to capitalize on the disaffected hard-right of the GOP, decided to adopt a good chunk of the social conservative positions (and pander to their prejudices) to get votes. See Ron and Rand Paul, both of whom I despise for precisely that reason.

And no, I really do value internal consistency. I genuinely believe an enormous problem with our politics in this country is that the issues have basically be split up randomly between the parties to make sure everyone ends up with roughly 50% of the vote either way. I don't know why your stance on gun control should tell me your position on environment protection, tax policy, abortion, and military funding, but it does, and it's a huge problem.

166 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:45:24pm

re: #162 Sergey Romanov

Yeah, this is my personal stalker Carmelo Lisciotto (from Chicago, IL). From Carmelo's rant:

Hi Carmelo! :D

167 Gus  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:45:53pm

re: #157 Varek Raith

Lefty nutbag forum!
Lol, what idiots.

Oh yeah. We're soooo far left here. I tell ya. All the anti-war rhetoric here makes my ears ring.

//

168 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:45:59pm

re: #154 Killgore Trout

...the last person who should complain about the intertwining of government and news media Sharia law for any reason is a journalist blogger whose paycheck relies on taxpayer subsidies money from Dominionist interests.

169 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:46:06pm

re: #159 darthstar

Laws like can be good, because they can inspire the voters to change the government...just so long as the new government remembers to undo the laws that helped get them into office.

That's certainly what Kadima is hoping for--they are raking Bibi up one side and down the other. And the High Court appeal is already being put into second drafts.

170 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:46:21pm

re: #162 Sergey Romanov

Yeah, this is my personal stalker...

Just what we need around here - more stalkers.

171 Alexzander  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:46:44pm

You know you screwed up when both the JPost and Haaretz disagree with the law:

The bad boycott bill
By JERUSALEM POST EDITORIAL
07/11/2011 21:31

Attempts to legitimize Jewish presence in Judea, Samaria and Jerusalem through the stifling of criticism may just achieve the opposite.

172 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:47:01pm

re: #158 Obdicut

Which is a direct lie.

PJM covered the Murdoch scandal as an attack on the New York Times. looks like the marching orders have been issued. The wingnuts are going to turn this into a victimhood passion play about the oppression of conservative media.

173 jvic  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:47:18pm

re: #135 wrenchwench

I don't think they are all lying sacks of shit, but I do have reservations about the 'philosophy', if that's what it is, and do not support the Party at all (as you may have gathered).

1. I briefly belonged to the LP but left after the Harry Browne people took over. I have no intention of ever returning.

2. I prefer to use the autonomous adult as the starting point for thinking about society. Of course the concept of an autonomous adult is seriously incomplete. Nevertheless, that's where I prefer to start.

3. Yes, aggregates of libertarians tend to be blatantly dysfunctional. IMHO libertarians' critiques of society often have merit, which can't be said about their proposed solutions. Some of their solutions have merit; some are ridiculous.

174 Obdicut  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:47:20pm

re: #165 Jaerik

I think you're re-stating what I was saying. I used to at least respect the Libertarians who were both socially and fiscally small-government. If you dig back in the party's platform decades ago, you'll see a lot more of that than you do now. You'll even see some surprises, like quite a bit of pro-environmental regulation stances, under the reasoning that like common defense, such a thing can't be left to private ventures to manage through self-interest. (Tragedy of the Commons and all that.)

When are you talking about? Ron Paul was the nominee back in 1988. How long are you reaching back?

175 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:47:24pm

re: #168 Slumbering Behemoth

...the last person who should complain about the intertwining of government and news media Sharia law for any reason is a journalist blogger whose paycheck relies on taxpayer subsidies money from Dominionist interests.

lol

176 darthstar  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:48:04pm

re: #162 Sergey Romanov

Yeah, this is my personal stalker

I've heard of personal shoppers (they have them at Nordstrom and Needless Markup)...but I didn't know there was a personal stalker service. Could I get one with a fetish for power tools?

177 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:48:24pm

re: #162 Sergey Romanov

Yeah, this is my personal stalker Carmelo Lisciotto (from Chicago, IL). From Carmelo's rant:

Now everyone will want one.

178 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:48:25pm

re: #172 Killgore Trout

PJM covered the Murdoch scandal as an attack on the New York Times. looks like the marching orders have been issued. The wingnuts are going to turn this into a victimhood passion play about the oppression of conservative media.

Who didn't see that coming?

179 Obdicut  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:48:41pm

re: #173 jvic


2. I prefer to use the autonomous adult as the starting point for thinking about society. Of course the concept of an autonomous adult is seriously incomplete. Nevertheless, that's where I prefer to start.

But the reality of society is that there are tons of people who are not autonomous adults.

180 darthstar  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:48:50pm

re: #177 Decatur Deb

Now everyone will want one.

I asked first!

181 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:48:53pm

re: #167 Gus 802

Oh yeah. We're sooo far left here. I tell ya. All the anti-war rhetoric here makes my ears ring.

//

I must consult my Red Books that I got from Che.
Huh.
It tells me to buy Che tshirts.
/

182 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:49:00pm

This is the same Carmelo who wrote to me in 2006:

Does posting peoples names on blogs like a silly little faggot from where ever the fuck you are from make you happy?
I think your daddy must have stuck his finger up your ass way too many times when you were a child.

Not being a bright fellow, he accidentally sent this out to numerous people, including several Yad Vashem scholars. Oops!

183 Gus  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:49:03pm

re: #172 Killgore Trout

PJM covered the Murdoch scandal as an attack on the New York Times. looks like the marching orders have been issued. The wingnuts are going to turn this into a victimhood passion play about the oppression of conservative media.

They're all so pathetic.

184 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:49:17pm

re: #160 Alexzander

My initial reaction is that it wont stand, its its written in quite vague language that may include media coverage etc. Its almost like passing this law was an immediate victory for the pro-BDS group actually.

Sadly, yes. It's fabulous propaganda, and it won't matter when the court kicks it to the curb, nor will the votes against count.

Apparently on a Facebook page where Israeli and Palestinian Facebookers were interacting, someone suggested locking Bibi and Abbas in a room together, apparently with the idea that they would be forced to come to terms with one another, and promote peace.

Someone else responded. "That sounds great. We'd just need to remember never to open the door to that room again!"

185 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:49:47pm

re: #182 Sergey Romanov

This is the same Carmelo who wrote to me in 2006:

Not being a bright fellow, he accidentally sent this out to numerous people, including several Yad Vashem scholars. Oops!

Hahaha, I think I read that on your site a while back.

186 Gus  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:50:03pm

re: #181 Varek Raith

I must consult my Red Books that I got from Che.
Huh.
It tells me to buy Che tshirts.
/

Yeah. Between here and my posts at Indymedia, Democratic Underground, and International A.N.S.W.E.R.

//

187 albusteve  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:50:06pm

re: #172 Killgore Trout

PJM covered the Murdoch scandal as an attack on the New York Times. looks like the marching orders have been issued. The wingnuts are going to turn this into a victimhood passion play about the oppression of conservative media.

that blinding glare you see are not the facts....it's the massed halos

188 darthstar  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:50:14pm

re: #182 Sergey Romanov

This is the same Carmelo who wrote to me in 2006:

Not being a bright fellow, he accidentally sent this out to numerous people, including several Yad Vashem scholars. Oops!

Wow...in another six years your stalker could be considered your common law spouse. You should inform him of this.

189 Jaerik  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:50:32pm

re: #174 Obdicut

When are you talking about? Ron Paul was the nominee back in 1988. How long are you reaching back?

And in 1988 he was strongly pro-choice, among other views, that he's since completely reversed himself on as "libertarians" have become co-opted by the disaffected hard right wing of the GOP.

190 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:50:42pm

re: #164 BishopX

I believe that the law bans the government from doing business with groups that practice BDS (of either Israel or the settlements specifically) or advocate for it in such a way as to create "a reasonable possibility" of a boycott happening. It's entirely possible that there a NGOs within Israel calling for a boycott of the settlements which would lose their tax-exempt status.

Can you give me a link to some interpretation? Like I said, I'm playing catch-up. Is there a separate clause that cover the tax-exempt issue?

191 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:50:50pm

re: #182 Sergey Romanov

More repressed homosexuality from creepy little stalkers. So much self-loathing in those types.

192 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:51:12pm

re: #172 Killgore Trout

PJM covered the Murdoch scandal as an attack on the New York Times. looks like the marching orders have been issued. The wingnuts are going to turn this into a victimhood passion play about the oppression of conservative media.

They can spin all they want, but when a news organization starts hacking into the private voicemail of private citizens, by the thousands, that's simply unprecedented criminal behavior from a media organization.

193 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:51:12pm

re: #170 Charles

Just what we need around here - more stalkers.

Perhaps they can all have a playdate, while the adults chat.

194 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:51:28pm

re: #185 Varek Raith

Hahaha, I think I read that on your site a while back.

I just wonder why these nutters always go for the homosexual themes.

195 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:51:30pm

re: #171 Alexzander

You know you screwed up when both the JPost and Haaretz disagree with the law:

Posturing and anger don't make good laws.

196 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:51:52pm

re: #178 Slumbering Behemoth

Who didn't see that coming?

I keep hoping that something will wake up the wingnuts to what's going on. It already looks like Murdoch's troubles are spreading to the US and Fox. From there it's a short leap to the Republican party. They seem very unconcerned about what they're guru has been up to.

197 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:53:06pm

re: #189 Jaerik

And in 1988 he was strongly pro-choice

Do you have a link for that? I'd appreciate one.

198 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:53:14pm

re: #189 Jaerik

Paul was pro-choice?

199 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:53:14pm

re: #181 Varek Raith

I must consult my Red Books that I got from Che.
Huh.
It tells me to buy Che tshirts.
/

Che T-Shirts!!!

Youtube Video
200 albusteve  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:53:26pm

re: #196 Killgore Trout

I keep hoping that something will wake up the wingnuts to what's going on. It already looks like Murdoch's troubles are spreading to the US and Fox. From there it's a short leap to the Republican party. They seem very unconcerned about what they're guru has been up to.

I'm no expert, but there is something Freudian there...fear

201 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:53:51pm

re: #192 Charles

They can spin all they want, but when a news organization starts hacking into the private voicemail of private citizens, by the thousands, that's simply unprecedented criminal behavior from a media organization.

Even victims of 7-7 and 9-11. Wingnuts are completely ok with this.

202 Obdicut  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:55:17pm

re: #189 Jaerik

And in 1988 he was strongly pro-choice, among other views, that he's since completely reversed himself on as "libertarians" have become co-opted by the disaffected hard right wing of the GOP.

I'm sorry, but you're totally wrong. Ron Paul has always been anti-abortion, and strongly so. He's varied on how he wants this abortion ban handled-- state level or federal-- but he's always been anti-abortion.

He was also publishing a massively racist newsletter during that time period.

Why do you think he was pro-choice back then?

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]


While the Libertarian Party supports the right of women to choose an abortion, Dr. Paul believes that abortions are morally wrong.
203 Spocomptonite  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:55:17pm

re: #201 Killgore Trout

Even victims of 7-7 and 9-11. Wingnuts are completely ok with this.

They were probably communist immigrant liberals, anyway. That makes it okay.
///

204 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:55:34pm

re: #199 Slumbering Behemoth

Che T-Shirts!!!

[Video]

The Stalkers (on Blogmocracy, not the other one) posted a while ago that several Lizards--myself included by name--wouldn't dare walk around in Miami with Che shirts on.

This is true.

They might have mentioned that I don't walk around anywhere with a Che shirt on, even in my home turf of the East Bay, where it is quite safe and socially acceptable because a. I don't own one, and b. I don't one because I don't admire Che, and c. even if I admired Che, the shirts are tres stupid.

205 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:55:39pm

re: #201 Killgore Trout

Even victims of 7-7 and 9-11. Wingnuts are completely ok with this.

They're willing to forgive their god for anything.

206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:55:48pm

re: #133 Charles

hot chicks hot chicks hot chicks hot chicks

207 Obdicut  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:57:32pm

re: #204 SanFranciscoZionist

I'd walk around wearing this:

Image: Che-Guevara-parody.jpg

208 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:57:33pm

re: #204 SanFranciscoZionist

Ah, but the fact that you are still here posting comments must make you a far left, commie, nazi, socialist, che lover. It's in the by-laws or something.

209 Gus  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:58:22pm

re: #201 Killgore Trout

Even victims of 7-7 and 9-11. Wingnuts are completely ok with this.

They don't give a crap. Look at what Coulter and others said about the 911 wives. Look at how they responded to the firefighters and cops during the congressional fight for extending benefits for the 1st responders. Look at how they threw Pat Tillman under the bus. Those assholes (many of whom are Class-A chickenhawks) live in a wingnut fantasy world and only care about themselves.

210 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:58:30pm

re: #207 Obdicut

I'd walk around wearing this:

Image: Che-Guevara-parody.jpg

Image: displayddr.jpg

211 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:59:21pm

Image: Che_shirt_sells.gif

212 Jaerik  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:59:22pm

re: #202 Obdicut

I'm sorry, but you're totally wrong. Ron Paul has always been anti-abortion, and strongly so. He's varied on how he wants this abortion ban handled-- state level or federal-- but he's always been anti-abortion.

I might be recalling incorrectly, but I was under the impression he thought it was personally wrong, but would never argue for a law against it at either the state or federal level. (Despite thinking it was more a state issue anyway.) And has since gone fully right by supporting a federal ban.

I believe the current libertarian position is pro-choice regardless, but that's under serious attack from the social conservatives that have flocked to the party en masse, of which the Pauls are a good example.

I think you guys are interpreting my statement as somehow supporting or respecting the Pauls. Nothing could be further from the truth -- Charles has done a great job showing how they're really nothing more than hard-right GOP with all the social conservative prejudices to boot.

213 Spocomptonite  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:59:24pm

Every point Bachmann gains with the right wing, is going to be about 10 points Obama will gain with independents, minorities, non-christians, and reasonable people. Each.

The Republican party cannot win the diversity of votes needed by becoming more republican. Unless they make it harder for the more politically uninvolved or apathetic demographics to vote.

214 Gus  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:59:35pm

re: #204 SanFranciscoZionist

Why would anyone want to walk around in Miami? Blech. Not me. ;)

215 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:00:45pm

re: #207 Obdicut

I'd walk around wearing this:

Image: Che-Guevara-parody.jpg

I'd wear a tee with a Philosoraptor wearing this tee.

216 jvic  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:01:12pm

re: #140 Cheechako

Do you really think Sara actually wrote that Facebook page? Read it closely...all the sentences are too short. Her thoughts don't run together into one sentence paragraphs.

Had to be a ghost-writer.

Agreed. But if she didn't approve it before it was posted, she's even more incompetent than I fear she is.

217 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:02:03pm

re: #215 Sergey Romanov

I'd wear a tee with a Philosoraptor wearing this tee.

Image: philosoraptor-mordor.jpg

218 albusteve  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:02:48pm

re: #214 Gus 802

Why would anyone want to walk around in Miami? Blech. Not me. ;)

to soak in the sights, people watch, and eat world class Cubano chow

219 Gus  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:02:52pm

Frankly. Che Guevara has a lot more in common with wingnuts then anyone else I can think of.

Image: che_01R.JPG

220 darthstar  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:03:07pm

re: #216 jvic

Agreed. But if she didn't approve it before it was posted, she's even more incompetent than I fear she is.

Approve it? She probably hasn't even read it. This has been clearly demonstrated in the past when she's gotten that glazed over look when asked about something she "said" on facebook. In order to keep "hackers" from getting into her account, I don't even think she's allowed to know her own passwords.

223 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:04:21pm

re: #221 Sergey Romanov

Image: Odessa_advice.jpg

Win.

224 albusteve  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:04:33pm

re: #219 Gus 802

Frankly. Che Guevara has a lot more in common with wingnuts then anyone else I can think of.

Image: che_01R.JPG

jeezus dude...that's pretty over the top

225 Obdicut  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:05:40pm

re: #212 Jaerik

I might be recalling incorrectly, but I was under the impression he thought it was personally wrong, but would never argue for a law against it at either the state or federal level. (

You are wrong. He always wanted it banned at the state level.


I believe the current libertarian position is pro-choice regardless, but that's under serious attack from the social conservatives that have flocked to the party en masse, of which the Pauls are a good example.

It's technically pro-choice, but functionally anti-choice, of the 'get the federal government out of the abortion issue' sort. It supports prohibiting any federal relationship with abortion including preserving access to abortion.

I think you guys are interpreting my statement as somehow supporting or respecting the Pauls. Nothing could be further from the truth -- Charles has done a great job showing how they're really nothing more than hard-right GOP with all the social conservative prejudices to boot.

Right. So, given that Paul was the Libertarian nominee in 1988, when was the time period where the Libertarian party represented non-social conservative positions?

226 Gus  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:05:58pm

re: #224 albusteve

jeezus dude...that's pretty over the top

Yeah. That's really over the top. Damn controversial even.

//

227 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:06:08pm

re: #204 SanFranciscoZionist

YOU WOULDN'T DARE WEAR A T-SHIRT THAT YOU FIND TO BE RIDICULOUS AND WOULD NEVER OWN, IN A TOWN YOU PROBABLY WON'T VISIT

HAH HAH INTERNET WIT!

*strokes beard, puffs internet chest, talks about imaginary gun collection*

228 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:06:12pm

"The bill passed with 47 in favor and 38 opposed, despite the fact that most Shas MKs were absent due to MK Nissim Ze'ev's daughter's wedding. In addition, many ministers – including Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu - did not attend the vote and the Independence faction chose not to participate. Netanyahu's spokesman would not comment on why the prime minister did not vote."

Well, I guess the damage would have been at least symbolically worse if Shas had been in the house, so that's something.

229 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:07:53pm

re: #225 Obdicut


Right. So, given that Paul was the Libertarian nominee in 1988, when was the time period where the Libertarian party represented non-social conservative positions?


But but but they like the ganja! That makes up for all the paranoid crazy!

230 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:09:01pm

re: #228 SanFranciscoZionist

"The bill passed with 47 in favor and 38 opposed, despite the fact that most Shas MKs were absent due to MK Nissim Ze'ev's daughter's wedding. In addition, many ministers – including Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu - did not attend the vote and the Independence faction chose not to participate. Netanyahu's spokesman would not comment on why the prime minister did not vote."

Well, I guess the damage would have been at least symbolically worse if Shas had been in the house, so that's something.

The kindest thing the Knesset legal advisor could say about this law is that it is 'borderline illegal', but he was going to let them vote anyway.

Yeah. This will hold up in court.

231 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:09:57pm

re: #209 Gus 802

They don't give a crap. Look at what Coulter and others said about the 911 wives. Look at how they responded to the firefighters and cops during the congressional fight for extending benefits for the 1st responders. Look at how they threw Pat Tillman under the bus. Those assholes (many of whom are Class-A chickenhawks) live in a wingnut fantasy world and only care about themselves.

All true. I started leaning to the right after 9-11 and I still have some misconceptions left over after I learned my lesson.

232 justaminute  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:11:16pm

I just have a hard time with the whole tax increases stop business from hiring thing. Taxes make me look for deductions that I can claim. In fact investing in a business is a great tax deduction. Right now since taxes are low, I'm investing more in my retirement than opening a new business. Especially with all the talk about social security and medicare.

233 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:12:46pm

re: #231 Killgore Trout

All true. I started leaning to the right after 9-11 and I still have some misconceptions left over after I learned my lesson.

You're a learning, adapting, information-gathering, thinking person. That puts you ahead of the crowd, almost no matter WHAT you actually believe.

234 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:15:24pm

re: #208 Slumbering Behemoth

Ah, but the fact that you are still here posting comments must make you a far left, commie, nazi, socialist, che lover. It's in the by-laws or something.

Also, we are all brainwashed cultists, also we are blinded and mind controlled by a guy who runs a blog

because we're like, posting comments on the blog


see, that's what that means


also and we don't hate all muslims and love Robert Spencer like the good old nobodies who were here years ago, that means we hate america and love rape and we want Sharia law on Main Street and also the word "dhimmi" is mixed in there somewhere

ideally, you say "dhimmi" and then you nod gravely, very seriously stroking your very serious conservative beard as you very seriously talk about sharia law overtaking us all


internet is VERY serious


oh and then you talk about your imaginary gun collection some more

235 darthstar  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:18:10pm

re: #208 Slumbering Behemoth

Ah, but the fact that you are still here posting comments must make you a far left, commie, nazi, socialist, che lover. It's in the by-laws or something.

Speaking of loving, I love long walks on the beach but find that I'm fucking exhausted afterward...and yesterday I burned the tops of my feet. I hate when that happens.

Go Che!

236 Gus  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:18:52pm

re: #235 darthstar

Speaking of loving, I love long walks on the beach but find that I'm fucking exhausted afterward...and yesterday I burned the tops of my feet. I hate when that happens.

Go Che Gravel!

FTFY

237 garhighway  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:18:58pm

Hey, here's some fun news: Rudy's thinking about running!
Maybe this year he'll get TWO delegates!

[Link: www.politico.com...]

238 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:19:34pm

re: #234 WindUpBird

That's how cannibal, uncultured, self-subservient, monstrous, idiot, zionist honcos roll.

239 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:20:09pm

FRC: Pray For The Criminalization Of Homosexuality

In the Family Research Council’s latest prayer target list, the organization asks people to pray for countries, Malawi in particular, that have laws criminalizing sodomy. The FRC believes that they are facing unfair pressure from the U.S. to decriminalize homosexuality, and accuses the Obama administration of “pushing homosexuality, using taxpayer dollars.” According to the United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, Malawi is one of more than 70 countries that outlaw “same-sex relations between consenting adults” and earlier this year “Malawi enacted a law criminalizing homosexuality among women. Homosexuality is already illegal for men in that county. If convicted, a defendant could receive up to five years’ imprisonment.” Last year, a gay couple in Malawi was sentenced to fourteen years in jail.

The FRC’s support of policies like Malawi’s should come as no surprise, as the group backs the criminalization of homosexuality and has previously criticized the State Department for calling on countries to decriminalize homosexuality. Now, the FRC wants people to pray that God “give targeted nations courage to withstand U.S. coercion” and “forgive us for this evil”:

240 darthstar  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:20:17pm

re: #236 Gus 802

FTFY

Che Gravela?

241 Gus  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:21:16pm

re: #240 darthstar

Che Gravela?

Yep. Don't forget Fidel Gravel.

242 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:22:06pm

re: #238 ArchangelMichael

That's how cannibal, uncultured, self-subservient, monstrous, idiot, zionist honcos roll.

The important thing is that you have blog leather jackets made and shoot guns


so you can be INTERNET T-T-T-T-TOUGH

243 Gus  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:22:23pm

Get your t-shirt.

244 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:23:31pm

re: #236 Gus 802

Always the faithful servant. I bet the Great One will reward you with a lump of valuable coal this Gravelmas.

245 darthstar  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:24:25pm

re: #242 WindUpBird

You didn't see my #50
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

246 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:25:13pm

re: #243 Gus 802

Am I a murderous commie if I buy a planet of the apes che parody shirt?

Image: cheapet.jpg


I realize I'm not serious enough for these internets, I'll try harder next time

247 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:26:59pm

re: #245 darthstar

hahah AMERICA


even his gun hand couldn't abide him wearing that stupid hat

248 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:27:14pm

Is Bradlee Dean Michele Bachmann’s Rev. Wright?

2012 hopeful to share stage with controversial preacher at September GOP event

At the RightOnline Conference last month in Minneapolis, Rep. Michele Bachmann became the third Republican presidential candidate to get glitter thrown on her by the “glitterati.” The reason? Her longtime relationship with Bradlee Dean, head of the You Can Run But You Cannot Hide International ministries. Dean’s invective towards Muslims, Democrats and especially the LGBT community has earned him notoriety in Minnesota politics, yet candidate Bachmann has yet to weigh in on her relationship with Dean. As Bachmann’s star rises in the GOP presidential field, the controversial pastor is likely to become a campaign issue in the months ahead, much the way President Barack Obama’s Rev. Jeremiah Wright was seized upon by conservative activists in 2008.

249 jvic  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:27:58pm

1. If Charles and wrenchwench are correct that Gary Johnson has placed a pleasing mask over a vile face, things in addition to the Baldwin matter will come to light. As a two-term governor, Johnson has an extensive public record. For example, if he becomes a serious candidate, the backgrounds of his appointees will be scrutinized.

2. re: #179 Obdicut

But the reality of society is that there are tons of people who are not autonomous adults.

That's what I meant.

To hang around here long after saying I'd log off is a poor imitation of said autonomous adult.

To salvage the honor of the libertarian cause, I'm giving it another shot.

250 darthstar  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:28:43pm

Heh...actual ad for Jester Wools from back when 'gay' still only meant 'happy'...

252 albusteve  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:30:20pm

re: #249 jvic

1. If Charles and wrenchwench are correct that Gary Johnson has placed a pleasing mask over a vile face, things in addition to the Baldwin matter will come to light. As a two-term governor, Johnson has an extensive public record. For example, if he becomes a serious candidate, the backgrounds of his appointees will be scrutinized.

2.

That's what I meant.

To hang around here long after saying I'd log off is a poor imitation of said autonomous adult.

To salvage the honor of the libertarian cause, I'm giving it another shot.

you might consider junking your political labels and look at candidates as people

253 Gus  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:31:03pm

BIAB

254 Alexzander  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:31:14pm

ughhhhhh.

Glen Beck to Knesset: 'Your God Is My God'

255 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:31:18pm

re: #241 Gus 802

Jokes again? Funny again? All you can do is post puns on a blog, when the situation in the world is so gravel?

256 Obdicut  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:32:33pm

re: #249 jvic

How do you explain Johnson's support for Baldwin?

And his 2008 support for Ron Paul-- after Paul's racist newsletter and highly socially conservative positions were well-known?

257 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:32:46pm

re: #251 Slumbering Behemoth

Michele Bachmann and Lou Engle Pray To Stop Healthcare Reform

[Video]

Yeah, because that's the kind of person I want for POTUS, leading this country and carrying the launch codes. A crazy theocrat who thinks this nation deserves their god's wrath.

258 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:33:42pm

re: #254 Alexzander

ughhh.

Glen Beck to Knesset: 'Your God Is My God'

OK, Sarah Palin is Esther, Glenn can be Ruth...why did they let Glenn Beck address the Knesset?

259 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:34:07pm

Phone hacking: News Corp to consider selling remaining UK newspapers

News Corp is considering selling its remaining UK newspapers in a radical exit from a market Rupert Murdoch first entered almost half a century ago, his biographer has claimed.

Please sell Fox and Wall Street Journal too!

260 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:34:11pm

re: #254 Alexzander

ughhh.

Glen Beck to Knesset: 'Your God Is My God'

Which one of those?

261 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:35:17pm

re: #258 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, Sarah Palin is Esther, Glenn can be Ruth...why did they let Glenn Beck address the Knesset?

Also, does he understand that there are both Muslims and complete secularists in the Knesset?

262 darthstar  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:35:27pm

re: #254 Alexzander

ughhh.

Glen Beck to Knesset: 'Your God Is My God'

I think he was trying to say "Your gold is my gold, and I can help you move it for a handsome profit."

263 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:35:36pm

re: #258 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, Sarah Palin is Esther, Glenn can be Ruth...why did they let Glenn Beck address the Knesset?

George Lincoln Rockwell was otherwise engaged.

264 Obdicut  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:36:38pm

re: #261 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, does he understand that there are both Muslims and complete secularists in the Knesset?

Nope. He's got the crazy right-wing version of Jews where we're all highly religious, all the time.

265 blueraven  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:36:57pm

re: #251 Slumbering Behemoth

OMG!

266 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:37:12pm

re: #260 Sergey Romanov

(The traditional Mormon theology is really incompatible with Judaism, since Jehovah (also known as Jesus) is one God, while Elohim is another, his literal father. In Judaism, of course, it's the same God.)

267 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:38:46pm

OT, but I did want to give an update on Libya. While news is coming out, it is usually stuff we have already heard.

Right now advances are stalled at Misrata and the Nafusa Mountains. Why? Landmines. This has halted the advance in both areas, as the rebels have to de-mine. The Rebels now hold the eastern Suburbs of Zliten though.

268 Alexzander  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:38:58pm

re: #266 Sergey Romanov

Thanks I have to admit I was a little confused at first.

269 lostlakehiker  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:39:47pm

It's a bad idea to support Bachmann for the GOP nomination. What if she gets it, and then some twist of fate gives her the presidency? Obama is not utterly invincible, after all.

It is part of the patriotic duty of American voters to not work to get a bad candidate nominated for the other party. We just can't risk that candidate then getting elected.

The downside of a nutjob like Bachmann as president dwarfs the difference between Romney and Obama. We cannot afford even nutjob VPs. It's bad enough to have lightweights as VPs or VP candidates.

War and peace, life and death may hang in the balance. Choose life.

270 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:40:46pm

re: #266 Sergey Romanov

But then Beck is a convert who may not have paid much attention in class ;)

271 Obdicut  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:41:38pm

re: #269 lostlakehiker

Problem: There aren't any good candidates on the GOP side.

272 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:41:46pm

re: #269 lostlakehiker

It's a bad idea to support Bachmann for the GOP nomination. What if she gets it, and then some twist of fate gives her the presidency? Obama is not utterly invincible, after all.

It is part of the patriotic duty of American voters to not work to get a bad candidate nominated for the other party. We just can't risk that candidate then getting elected.

The downside of a nutjob like Bachmann as president dwarfs the difference between Romney and Obama. We cannot afford even nutjob VPs. It's bad enough to have lightweights as VPs or VP candidates.

War and peace, life and death may hang in the balance. Choose life.

Can't we even hope for her candidacy in our evil minds? It's not like I'm going to hold a freakn' bake sale.

273 Alexzander  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:41:53pm

re: #270 Sergey Romanov

But then Beck is a convert who may not have paid much attention in class ;)

Most of the time he gives me the impression of being more influenced by AA than Mormonism.

274 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:43:09pm

Wingnut quiz:

Who said the following with regard to raising the debt limit (debt ceiling)...

Denigration of the full faith and credit of the United States would have substantial effects on the domestic financial markets and on the value of the dollar in exchange markets. The Nation can ill afford to allow such a result. The risks, the costs, the disruptions and the incalculable damage lead me to but one conclusion: the Senate must pass this legislation before the Congress adjourns.

275 darthstar  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:43:10pm

Back to Murdoch for a moment...this is going to leave a mark

Rupert Murdoch accused of 'egregious' behaviour for using firm as 'family candy jar' in lawsuit that claims it is 'inconceivable' he was unaware of phone hacking at News of the World
276 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:43:30pm

re: #271 Obdicut

Problem: There aren't any good candidates on the GOP side.

Ayep. Even Romney is a spineless sell-out, whose toeing the Tea Party line in the hopes of winning the nomination. We saw how well selling out everything you've stood for in the name of winning over the party's lowest common denominator did back in '08.

277 blueraven  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:43:59pm

re: #272 Decatur Deb

Can't we even hope for her candidacy in our evil minds? It's not like I'm going to hold a freakn' bake sale.

Or conduct Operation Chaos even? darn!

278 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:44:18pm

re: #258 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, Sarah Palin is Esther, Glenn can be Ruth...why did they let Glenn Beck address the Knesset?

I want to see Ann Coulter address the Knesset

279 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:45:39pm

re: #256 Obdicut

How do you explain Johnson's support for Baldwin?

And his 2008 support for Ron Paul-- after Paul's racist newsletter and highly socially conservative positions were well-known?

Get this: Paul and Johnson both voted for Baldwin in '08. Maybe Johnson was following Paul's lead.

280 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:45:49pm

re: #278 WindUpBird

Me too. She should explain there why she wrote a glowing eulogy for a vicious antisemite Joe Sobran.

281 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:45:57pm

re: #278 WindUpBird

It's rare that I speak strongly in such a way, but...

Fuck. That. Bitch.

282 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:45:58pm

re: #277 blueraven

Or conduct Operation Chaos even? darn!

Truly, I'd agree w/ Lostlake on that kind of thing and assume he would, too.

283 Obdicut  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:46:14pm

re: #278 WindUpBird

I want to see Ann Coulter address the Knesset

I want to see Eddie Izzard address the Knesset.

284 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:46:37pm

re: #281 Slumbering Behemoth

It's rare that I speak strongly in such a way, but...

Fuck. That. Bitch.

Now you can do it again! [new thread]

285 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:47:09pm

re: #269 lostlakehiker

It's a bad idea to support Bachmann for the GOP nomination. What if she gets it, and then some twist of fate gives her the presidency? Obama is not utterly invincible, after all.

It is part of the patriotic duty of American voters to not work to get a bad candidate nominated for the other party. We just can't risk that candidate then getting elected.

The downside of a nutjob like Bachmann as president dwarfs the difference between Romney and Obama. We cannot afford even nutjob VPs. It's bad enough to have lightweights as VPs or VP candidates.

War and peace, life and death may hang in the balance. Choose life.

The GOP is dogshit, all their candidates are dogshit, I want them to lose, therefore I hope for them to nominate the most extreme and unelectable race-baiting, bigoted weirdo among them, so that Obama can run the table and break the will of the fat angry white racists that are currently in control of the GOP

So spare us your Very Serious Internet

286 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:47:23pm

re: #280 Sergey Romanov

Me too. She should explain there why she wrote a glowing eulogy for a vicious antisemite Joe Sobran.

It'd be fun!

287 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:47:34pm

re: #283 Obdicut

I want to see Eddie Izzard address the Knesset.

RAD

288 celticdragon  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:47:58pm

re: #209 Gus 802

They don't give a crap. Look at what Coulter and others said about the 911 wives. Look at how they responded to the firefighters and cops during the congressional fight for extending benefits for the 1st responders. Look at how they threw Pat Tillman under the bus. Those assholes (many of whom are Class-A chickenhawks) live in a wingnut fantasy world and only care about themselves.

This.

289 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:48:11pm

re: #281 Slumbering Behemoth

Let's leave the sexist language to the wingnuts (sez the self-appointed PC policeman ;)

290 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:48:12pm

re: #275 darthstar

Back to Murdoch for a moment...this is going to leave a mark

I've been thinking about that aspect of the story. Much like the CEO of GM who hung on for 10 years and drove the company into the ground while making millions....or the Wall Street Bankers who filled their pockets while destroying the economy...Rupert Murdoch is looting his own empire. He's detroying the credibility of his own outlets here in the states like WSJ, and Fox News. He's more than happy to drive the Republican party over the cliff because it makes him money. He's the ultimate selfish libertarian who's more than happy to kill the golden goose so he can collect the last egg.

291 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:51:29pm

re: #289 Sergey Romanov

Let's leave the sexist language to the wingnuts (sez the self-appointed PC policeman ;)

Which is why I said it is rare that I speak in such a way. I accept your criticism, however it is my belief that she more than deserves the epithet.

292 BishopX  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:55:10pm

re: #190 SanFranciscoZionist

Can you give me a link to some interpretation? Like I said, I'm playing catch-up. Is there a separate clause that cover the tax-exempt issue?

Sorry for the delay. I'm synthesizing stuff from the JPost and Haaretz editiorials in addition to this Haaretz article and this BBC article.

The clearest mention of the tax exempt stuff comes from the Haaretz editorial:


Inter alia, the law says any person or organization that calls for boycotting Israel, including by calling for a boycott of the settlements, would be deemed guilty of a civil offense. Organizations that call for boycotts would not be entitled to receive tax-deductible donations or obtain funding from the state.

The BBC and JPost articles both specifically mention the academic and cultural boycott of Ariel, and I assume that the law targets NGOs specifically because of this boycott.

Looking back at my sources I'm unable to find a reference to ending governemnt contracts. I don't know where I got that from.

293 Petero1818  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 3:07:48pm

Even she looks surprised....oh wait..never mind.

294 austin_blue  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 3:12:52pm

re: #95 prononymous

Fascinating. The logic distortion field around Republican candidates is so strong it can transport cars from alternate realities.

Good catch!

295 austin_blue  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 3:27:32pm

re: #201 Killgore Trout

Even victims of 7-7 and 9-11. Wingnuts are completely ok with this.

Not to mention the families of soldiers killed in Iraq and 'Stan. Sick bastards.

296 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 5:53:06pm
looks like her signature on that incredibly insane “marriage vow” boosted her popularity in the Iowa Tea Party base.

If so, it should surprise no one.

We tried to tell people about these neo-segregationist, slavery-nostalgic teabagging cons. Their behavior, rhetoric and goals haven't altered from their Citizens Council days.

They didn't even bother to change the artwork.

297 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jul 11, 2011 5:57:27pm

re: #248 Slumbering Behemoth

Is Bradlee Dean Michele Bachmann’s Rev. Wright?

Doubtful. Bishop Muthee wasn't Palin's Rev. Wright, neither will Bradlee Deen be Bachmann's.


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