The Decline and Fall of the Wall Street Journal

That Murdoch magic destroys an American media institution
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The New York Times’ Joe Nocera apologizes for brushing off the warning signs when Rupert Murdoch took over the Wall Street Journal: The Journal Becomes Fox-ified.

On Friday, however, the coverage went all the way to craven. The paper published an interview with Murdoch that might as well have been dictated by the News Corporation public relations department. He was going to testify before Parliament next week, he told the Journal reporter, because “it’s important to absolutely establish our integrity.” Some of the accusations made in Parliament were “total lies.” The News Corporation had handled the scandal “extremely well in every way possible.” So had his son James, a top company executive. “When I hear something going wrong, I insist on it being put right,” he said. He was “getting annoyed” by the scandal. And “tired.” And so on.

In the article containing the interview, there was no pushback against any of these statements, even though several of them bordered on the delusional. The two most obvious questions — When did Murdoch first learn of the phone hacking at The News of the World? And when did he learn that reporters were bribing police officers for information? — went unasked. The Journal reporter had either been told not to ask those questions, or instinctively knew that he shouldn’t. It is hard to know which is worse. The dwindling handful of great journalists who remain at the paper — Mark Maremont, Alan Murray and Alix Freedman among them — must be hanging their heads in shame.

To tell you the truth, I’m hanging my head in shame too. Four years ago, when Murdoch was battling recalcitrant members of the Bancroft family to gain control of The Journal, which he had long lusted after and which he viewed as the vehicle that would finally allow him to go head-to-head against The New York Times, I wrote several columns saying that he would be a better owner than the Bancrofts.

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244 comments
1 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:19:39am

Well, this mea culpa came only after the scandal...

2 Lidane  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:20:46am

The WSJ was reliable as a news source and tolerable on its editorial page before Murdoch bought it. Now it's gone to utter shit on both counts. He took what had been a good paper and turned it into a business-themed tabloid.

It's a shame. I used to like the WSJ when I was an undergrad business major. Now I can barely look at it because the quality has degraded so much.

3 Kid A  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:20:50am

It’s something everyone else except me has noticed official. The Wall Street Journal has been Fox-ified.

4 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:22:28am

OT: I missed this reprimand to Kara from Lieberman (of all people):

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

In official letter to PM, Lieberman accuses deputy minister Kara of meeting with anti-Semitic, neo-Nazi elements in Europe while disregarding Israel's foreign policy, damaging State's image

5 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:27:43am

re: #1 Sergey Romanov

Well, this mea culpa came only after the scandal...

It should have been obvious much earlier. Even without any insider knowledge about who was running what it became obvious right after the election when the WSJ op-ed pages became a platform for absurdly stupid conspiracy theories, bogus information and outright lies. Looking back at it now I think Murdoch was using the WSJ's reputation to prop up the credibility of Fox by spouting the same bogus bullshit.

6 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:28:25am

re: #4 Sergey Romanov

OT: I missed this reprimand to Kara from Lieberman (of all people):

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

In official letter to PM, Lieberman accuses deputy minister Kara of meeting with anti-Semitic, neo-Nazi elements in Europe while disregarding Israel's foreign policy, damaging State's image

Good news.

7 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:29:13am

re: #5 Killgore Trout

Yep. All of a sudden, Austrian economics was cool on the WSJ again. Decades after 'voodoo economics' was rightly rejected by the Republicans, it got dusted off and enshrined again as the rebellious, cool form of economics, rather than the deranged crazy uncle. The WSJ has a lot of culpability in rehabilitating Austrian economics.

8 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:30:04am

re: #6 Killgore Trout

Yeah. Kara has become a "hub" for all sorts of European fascists. I hope they sack him.

9 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:31:13am

re: #4 Sergey Romanov

OT: I missed this reprimand to Kara from Lieberman (of all people):

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

In official letter to PM, Lieberman accuses deputy minister Kara of meeting with anti-Semitic, neo-Nazi elements in Europe while disregarding Israel's foreign policy, damaging State's image

Well. That's a relief. Now who yanks Lieberman's chain?

10 BongCrodny  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:31:58am

Sadly, we had no way of knowing that a guy who wallows in the mud would turn our great newspaper into a pigsty.

11 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:32:41am

re: #3 Kid A

It’s something everyone else except me has noticed official. The Wall Street Journal has been Fox-ified.

Shock and Dismay! Look at its freakn' name--it's the house organ of the clowns who sank the economy.

12 Kid A  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:34:31am

re: #11 Decatur Deb

Shock and Dismay! Look at its freakn' name--it's the house organ of the clowns who sank the economy.

Go over to Fox News right now. NewsWatch is talking about the hacking scandal. Let's see if these tools have any stones.

13 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:34:34am

Forgive me if I'm skeptical. The New york Times has a direct interest in cutting the Wall Street Journal. And why would anyone expect the WSJ to go after it's owner? That seems delusional.

Note: this should not be read as a defense of Rupert Murdoch, who seems caught in his own version of Watergate.

14 Olsonist  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:35:43am

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

It's called competition. It's a good thing.

15 blueraven  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:35:51am

re: #12 Kid A

Go over to Fox News right now. NewsWatch is talking about the hacking scandal. Let's see if these tools have any stones.

They are presenting it as a "pile on" by the librul media.

16 Alexzander  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:35:58am

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

Forgive me if I'm skeptical. The New york Times has a direct interest in cutting the Wall Street Journal. And why would anyone expect the WSJ to go after it's owner? That seems delusional.

Note: this should not be read as a defense of Rupert Murdoch, who seems caught in his own version of Watergate.

Presumably some of the allegations of verifiable:

- shorter articles
- clearer partisan positions
- reduced quality of business reporting

But otherwise yes, there is reason to be somewhat skeptical.

17 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:36:05am

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

Forgive me if I'm skeptical. The New york Times has a direct interest in cutting the Wall Street Journal. And why would anyone expect the WSJ to go after it's owner? That seems delusional.

Then you're not actually skeptical, are you?

18 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:38:00am

re: #14 Olsonist

It's called competition. It's a good thing.

Not saying its bad. But it is something to keep in mind when reading the NYT coverage.

19 Kid A  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:39:01am

The fact that Judy Miller is a Fox News "contributor" is beyond hilarious. The only thing she ever contributed in her life is cowering in fear of the Bush administration and pushing the lies that got us into Iraq.

20 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:40:46am

I've read the WSJ for more than 20 years, and when Murdoch took over it very clearly took a turn to the right, especially visible in the editorial pages, where you now find every far right economic and social position advocated, including climate change denial. And the interview mentioned above was just a sycophantic joke.

Yes, DF -- I would expect the Wall Street Journal to report honestly on its owner. That's what great newspapers are supposed to do.

21 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:41:16am

I have to go. BBL

22 Kid A  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:41:47am

re: #20 Charles

I've read the WSJ for more than 20 years, and when Murdoch took over it very clearly took a turn to the right, especially visible in the editorial pages, where you now find every far right economic and social position advocated, including climate change denial. And the interview mentioned above was just a sycophantic joke.

Yes, DF -- I would expect the Wall Street Journal to report honestly on its owner. That's what great newspapers are supposed to do.

Like giving Rush Limbaugh a column every time the GOP needs a kick in the pants.

23 jaunte  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:44:24am

re: #11 Decatur Deb

Shock and Dismay! Look at its freakn' name--it's the house organ of the clowns who sank the economy.

Here's an interesting statistic:

The Daily Beast, Friday, July 15, 2011, 12:22pm (PDT)
On Tuesday, July 5, bureau chiefs and editors at The Wall Street Journal dialed into a conference call organized by Dennis Berman, the newspaper's new editor in charge of corporate coverage. He trotted out some numbers: of the more than 1,200 front-page stories the Journal had run in the previous year, only 12 percent had been about corporations—formerly the paper's bread and butter.
24 Olsonist  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:45:59am

re: #20 Charles

The WSJ OpEd page was always rabidly hard right. They used to sell Whitewater transcripts on the OpEd page during the Clinton years. What there used to be was a wall between opinion and news.

25 austin_blue  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:46:37am

re: #20 Charles

I've read the WSJ for more than 20 years, and when Murdoch took over it very clearly took a turn to the right, especially visible in the editorial pages, where you now find every far right economic and social position advocated, including climate change denial. And the interview mentioned above was just a sycophantic joke.

Yes, DF -- I would expect the Wall Street Journal to report honestly on its owner. That's what great newspapers are supposed to do.

The NYT has covered its own scandals rather comprehensively, hasn't it? That's the difference between journalistic integrity and what has become nothing more than fish-wrap. Damn shame for the WSJ, and for the US. Just another mouth organ for Murdoch.

OT: Finished the Saturday NYT Xword in 42 minutes. Got hung up in the NW until I realized that Skylab was Sealab. D'oh!

26 Kid A  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:47:14am

LOL! Judy Miller writes for NewsMax??!! Someone strip this toolbag of her Pulitzer.

Your text to link...

27 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:47:20am

re: #23 jaunte

Here's an interesting statistic:

Yeah--but the coverage of WS secretaries relaxing on Jones Beach has probably expanded.

28 Kid A  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:49:40am

re: #25 austin_blue

The NYT has covered its own scandals rather comprehensively, hasn't it? That's the difference between journalistic integrity and what has become nothing more than fish-wrap. Damn shame for the WSJ, and for the US. Just another mouth organ for Murdoch.

OT: Finished the Saturday NYT Xword in 42 minutes. Got hung up in the NW until I realized that Skylab was Sealab. D'oh!

This a pretty lengthy correction/apology by the Times after the Jayson Blair scandal:

Your text to link...

29 jaunte  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:55:39am
The Journal reporter had either been told not to ask those questions, or instinctively knew that he shouldn’t.


He probably watched the scene where Stuart Varney meets Emperor Palpatine and was throttled into silence by the Dark Force.

Varney: The story that is really buzzing all around the country, and certainly right here in New York, is that the News of the World, a News Corporation newspaper in Britain…
Murdoch: No, I’m not talking about that issue at all today.
Varney: OK. No worries, Mr. Chairman. That’s fine with me.
30 makeitstop  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:55:48am

re: #15 blueraven

They are presenting it as a "pile on" by the librul media.

Who could have seen that coming?
/

Afternoon, Honcos!

31 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:56:01am

Since Murdoch is in so much trouble maybe the Bancroft and Ottaway families should take back the WSJ. If they offered they might have a shot at getting the paper back.

32 otoc  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 11:58:02am

re: #20 Charles

I've read the WSJ for more than 20 years, and when Murdoch took over it very clearly took a turn to the right, especially visible in the editorial pages, where you now find every far right economic and social position advocated, including climate change denial.


As did I. Which is why I can't help but wonder why it took so long for Nocera to apologize for writing Murdoch would be a better owner.

Along with the transformation of a great paper into a mediocre one came a change that was both more subtle and more insidious. The political articles grew more and more slanted toward the Republican party line. The Journal sometimes took to using the word “Democrat” as an adjective instead of a noun, a usage favored by the right wing. In her book, “War at The Wall Street Journal,” Sarah Ellison recounts how editors inserted the phrase “assault on business” in an article about corporate taxes under President Obama. The Journal was turned into a propaganda vehicle for its owner’s conservative views. That’s half the definition of Fox-ification.


Yeah, no kidding. And that book came out almost a year ago.

33 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:00:33pm

Listen/read to this small speech excerpt by Obama:

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

34 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:02:45pm

re: #32 otoc

As did I. Which is why I can't help but wonder why it took so long for Nocera to apologize for writing Murdoch would be a better owner.


Yeah, no kidding. And that book came out almost a year ago.

Could anyone plz explain how dropping the 'ic' from 'Democratic' is a dagger to the heart? It's like getting "Dimwit" tattooed across your forehead, in reverse, so only you can read it.

35 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:06:08pm

re: #34 Decatur Deb

Could anyone plz explain how dropping the 'ic' from 'Democratic' is a dagger to the heart? It's like getting "Dimwit" tattooed across your forehead, in reverse, so only you can read it.

Silence, you Repub!
/

36 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:07:07pm

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

Forgive me if I'm skeptical. The New york Times has a direct interest in cutting the Wall Street Journal. And why would anyone expect the WSJ to go after it's owner? That seems delusional./blockquote>

Circumstantial ad hominem.

There are times when it is prudent to suspicious of a person's claims, such as when it is evident that the claims are being biased by the person's interests. For example, if a tobacco company representative claims that tobacco does not cause cancer, it would be prudent to not simply accept the claim. This is because the person has a motivation to make the claim, whether it is true or not. However, the mere fact that the person has a motivation to make the claim does not make it false. For example, suppose a parent tells her son that sticking a fork in a light socket would be dangerous. Simply because she has a motivation to say this obviously does not make her claim false.

37 Iwouldprefernotto  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:08:15pm

There is the possibility of good news in this. He may be forced to sell off some of his properties including the WSJ. One can only hope.

38 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:10:41pm

re: #34 Decatur Deb

Could anyone plz explain how dropping the 'ic' from 'Democratic' is a dagger to the heart? It's like getting "Dimwit" tattooed across your forehead, in reverse, so only you can read it.

It's not a dagger in the heart. But if/when you've successfully turned the word "Democrat" into a pejorative epithet -- and taking into account the relative difficulty of demonizing the word "democratic" (what with it being central to our cultural identity and all) -- it shouldn't be hard to see that "Democrat party" has a distinctly different aroma than "Democratic party".

39 dragonfire1981  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:12:08pm

It's NOT just the WSJ, the whole mainstream media is over sensationalized and ratings focused these days. What does it say about us when good journalism in America can only be found on PBS?

40 Randall Gross  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:12:41pm

re: #20 Charles

I've read the WSJ for more than 20 years, and when Murdoch took over it very clearly took a turn to the right, especially visible in the editorial pages, where you now find every far right economic and social position advocated, including climate change denial. And the interview mentioned above was just a sycophantic joke.

Yes, DF -- I would expect the Wall Street Journal to report honestly on its owner. That's what great newspapers are supposed to do.

As if to underline this, just today I got a fund raising letter from Paul Ryan & the GOP with a reprint from the WSJ enclosed. It was a his pufflackerous opinion piece Paul Ryan wrote himself on how the GOP would create prosperity.

41 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:12:54pm

re: #39 dragonfire1981
Not much. :(

42 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:13:19pm

re: #38 negativ

It's not a dagger in the heart. But if/when you've successfully turned the word "Democrat" into a pejorative epithet -- and taking into account the relative difficulty of demonizing the word "democratic" (what with it being central to our cultural identity and all) -- it shouldn't be hard to see that "Democrat party" has a distinctly different aroma than "Democratic party".

Seems more trenchant to call us "mofos" than to drop a syllable. Never was subtle.

43 makeitstop  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:13:32pm

re: #34 Decatur Deb

Could anyone plz explain how dropping the 'ic' from 'Democratic' is a dagger to the heart? It's like getting "Dimwit" tattooed across your forehead, in reverse, so only you can read it.

I think more Dems are annoyed at how Republicans think they're so clever by doing it. It really is a pretty dim-witted 'insult.'

44 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:13:58pm

re: #39 dragonfire1981

It's NOT just the WSJ, the whole mainstream media is over sensationalized and ratings focused these days. What does it say about us when good journalism in America can only be found on PBS?

That it's time to zero the PBS budget.

45 otoc  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:15:04pm

re: #34 Decatur Deb

Could anyone plz explain how dropping the 'ic' from 'Democratic' is a dagger to the heart? It's like getting "Dimwit" tattooed across your forehead, in reverse, so only you can read it.

lol, I certainly don't care, because I'm not a member of "that" party and can remember more times than a few that I needed that tattoo you mentioned...
Democrat Party (phrase)

46 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:16:52pm

re: #42 Decatur Deb

Seems more trenchant to call us "mofos" than to drop a syllable. Never was subtle.

Town Crier: "THE PRESIDENT IS *inaudible*!"
Townfolk: "What did he say?"
Town Crier: "THE PRESIDENT IS *inaudible*!!!!!"
Saloon patron: "He said, 'The President is *near*!"

47 bratwurst  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:17:42pm

re: #39 dragonfire1981

It's NOT just the WSJ, the whole mainstream media is over sensationalized and ratings focused these days. What does it say about us when good journalism in America can only be found on PBS?

SAYS IT'S TIME TO CUT THE FUNDING!

48 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:22:42pm

re: #46 negativ

Getting nothing from Google...

49 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:22:57pm

::: writing out check to local PBS station :::

50 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:24:49pm

Feeling like watching something creepy today. Any fresh decent horror films you've seen lately?

51 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:26:53pm

re: #50 Sergey Romanov

Feeling like watching something creepy today. Any fresh decent horror films you've seen lately?

Sorry, I gots nothing.

52 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:27:15pm

re: #50 Sergey Romanov

Feeling like watching something creepy today. Any fresh decent horror films you've seen lately?

I've been thinking about rewatching 28 days again. It's been a while.

53 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:27:29pm

re: #50 Sergey Romanov

Feeling like watching something creepy today. Any fresh decent horror films you've seen lately?

Not your standard vampires:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

54 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:27:36pm

re: #51 Varek Raith

dang!

55 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:28:07pm

The most recent I can think of is Event Horizon.
Awesome movie.

56 Targetpractice  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:28:11pm

re: #53 Decatur Deb

Not your standard vampires:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

As long as they don't sparkle, they're good.

57 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:28:33pm

re: #52 Killgore Trout

LOL. I actually am watching From Beyond from YT right now.

58 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:28:58pm

re: #56 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

As long as they don't sparkle, they're good.

Clip: Blood and Roses (1960)

p

59 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:29:04pm

re: #55 Varek Raith

Yeah, not bad.

60 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:30:51pm

re: #50 Sergey Romanov

Feeling like watching something creepy today. Any fresh decent horror films you've seen lately?

Have you let the right one in yet?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

61 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:31:19pm

re: #60 wlewisiii

Sure.

62 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:31:59pm

re: #60 wlewisiii

(I won't be original - it was awesome.)

63 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:32:14pm

re: #58 Decatur Deb

Clip: Blood and Roses (1960)

p

[Video]

Two or three seconds of the clip are NSFW.

64 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:37:02pm

re: #39 dragonfire1981

It's NOT just the WSJ, the whole mainstream media is over sensationalized and ratings focused these days. What does it say about us when good journalism in America can only be found on PBS?

From the Guardian (not exactly the most unbiased of sources, but certainly one of the smartest):

Republican bill to repeal law that promotes energy-saving lightbulbs fades

A Republican campaign to defend America against a sweeping assault on personal freedoms – or energy-saving lightbulbs as they are more commonly known – went down in defeat on Tuesday night.

~trolo lolo lo lolo lo lolo lo, hoho hoho ho!~

65 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:38:55pm

re: #64 negativ

From the Guardian (not exactly the most unbiased of sources, but certainly one of the smartest):

Republican bill to repeal law that promotes energy-saving lightbulbs fades

~trolo lolo lo lolo lo lolo lo, hoho hoho ho!~

Contain yourself--the "American Patriot Amendment to Preserve the Dark Ages" passed on another voice-vote.

66 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:39:20pm

re: #48 Decatur Deb

Getting nothing from Google...

Blazing Saddles

a classic for the ages. Get thee to a DVD rentery.

67 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:40:44pm

re: #66 negativ

Blazing Saddles

a classic for the ages. Get thee to a DVD rentery.

Yeah--was Googleing with 'Brooks' but didn't get a hit. Flick is a bit of a blur to me.

68 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:41:40pm

re: #67 Decatur Deb
Mel Brooks. Otherwise you might end up with a suit sale.

69 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:41:46pm

re: #50 Sergey Romanov

"Let Me In" was surprisingly non-terrible.

70 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:42:31pm

re: #69 negativ

So I've read, but I think I'll wait another year or so before watching it.

71 austin_blue  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:45:21pm

re: #66 negativ

Blazing Saddles

a classic for the ages. Get thee to a DVD rentery.

Ah, Gabby Johnson, Mongo, Hedley Lamarr, Taggart, Bart, Jim, and Lili von Shtupp. Good times.

72 Targetpractice  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:46:10pm

re: #71 austin_blue

Ah, Gabby Johnson, Mongo, Hedley Lamarr, Taggart, Bart, Jim, and Lili von Shtupp. Good times.

"That's Hedley!"

/

73 austin_blue  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:47:14pm

re: #72 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

"That's Hedley!"

/

"Well, godammit! Someone's gonna have to go back and get us a shitload of dimes!"

74 blueraven  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:48:00pm

re: #68 PhillyPretzel

Mel Brooks. Otherwise you might end up with a suit sale.

Or a trumped up "riot" in Florida.

75 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:48:16pm

Speaking of Brooks, a friend who visited Russia recently gave me a book "World War Z - An Oral History of the Zombie War". The author is Max Brooks, son of Mel. Haven't read it yet, but it looks fascinating.

76 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:50:42pm

Wall Street Journal employees are worried things could get even worse....
Succession Drama at WSJ
Now the Murdoch scandal has claimed Dow Jones’ CEO. That has the Journal newsroom worrying they could end up working for a controversial Rupert henchman.


Is Baker in charge the nightmare scenario?

“Yeah,” a Journal reporter told The Daily Beast, when the Hinton resignation was barely two hours old. “I think the public perception matches the newsroom perception on those two. Robert is this serious journalist, and Gerry has his right-wing views. … He’s definitely in the newsroom aligned more as a partisan.” Baker’s political views are visible in columns he wrote for The Times of London, another News Corp. publication. Politico, reporting his hiring as Journal deputy editor in chief in 2008, noted that Baker was a “self-described ‘right-wing curmudgeon.’”

77 Targetpractice  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:51:02pm

re: #75 Sergey Romanov

Speaking of Brooks, a friend who visited Russia recently gave me a book "World War Z - An Oral History of the Zombie War". The author is Max Brooks, son of Mel. Haven't read it yet, but it looks fascinating.

Know it sounds cliched, but I highly recommend it. It's a great book, taking the whole idea of a zombie apocalypse and subsequent war to take the planet back entirely seriously.

78 kirkspencer  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:51:21pm

re: #75 Sergey Romanov

Speaking of Brooks, a friend who visited Russia recently gave me a book "World War Z - An Oral History of the Zombie War". The author is Max Brooks, son of Mel. Haven't read it yet, but it looks fascinating.

Quite good, actually. Studs Terkel rides again.

I'm mixed in anticipation of the movie made from it.

79 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:51:40pm

re: #75 Sergey Romanov

Speaking of Brooks, a friend who visited Russia recently gave me a book "World War Z - An Oral History of the Zombie War". The author is Max Brooks, son of Mel. Haven't read it yet, but it looks fascinating.

Image: in_case_of_zombies_right.jpg

80 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:52:49pm

re: #74 blueraven
I still remember a neighbor who was looking up James Bond movies. He forgot to use the first name. He had one doozie of a list.

81 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:54:20pm

BBL

82 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 12:58:22pm

re: #55 Varek Raith

The most recent I can think of is Event Horizon.
Awesome movie.

I should probably see it again, but I remember "Event Horizon" being a huge disappointment. It seemed to suffer from the Stephen King practice of constructing a rich and compelling back-story, introducing genuinely interesting & believable characters, setting up a fiendishly imaginative conflict, and then pissing it all away in the most frustratingly predictable manner imaginable.

83 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 1:01:08pm

re: #82 negativ

Heh, disagree re: King partially. Altho Under the Dome was like that.

84 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 1:01:48pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout
Bret Stephens would be a good choice. He was the editor of the Jerusalem Post before going to WSJ.

85 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 1:06:51pm

re: #75 Sergey Romanov

Speaking of Brooks, a friend who visited Russia recently gave me a book "World War Z - An Oral History of the Zombie War". The author is Max Brooks, son of Mel. Haven't read it yet, but it looks fascinating.


I have the audiobook version of this. The performances of Mark Hamill and Henry Rollins must be heard to be believed.

86 Targetpractice  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 1:08:07pm

re: #82 negativ

I should probably see it again, but I remember "Event Horizon" being a huge disappointment. It seemed to suffer from the Stephen King practice of constructing a rich and compelling back-story, introducing genuinely interesting & believable characters, setting up a fiendishly imaginative conflict, and then pissing it all away in the most frustratingly predictable manner imaginable.

You mean like Dreamcatcher? Yegods.

87 Fozzie Bear  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 1:11:05pm

Joe Nocera just cemented his reputation as a hack. This isn't a mea culpa, this is a rather transparent attempt at shining a turd. Mea Culpas come before you get caught being full of shit, not after.

88 Cankles McCellulite  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 1:20:44pm

re: #50 Sergey Romanov

I just saw 'Let me in' a couple months ago. A very different approach to a vampire movie. I really liked it. In fact, afterwards, i watched the original Swedish version and it was just as good.

89 jvic  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 1:22:11pm

re: #87 Fozzie Bear

Joe Nocera just cemented his reputation as a hack. This isn't a mea culpa, this is a rather transparent attempt at shining a turd. Mea Culpas come before you get caught being full of shit, not after.

I don't understand how admitting he was wrong cemented the guy's reputation as a hack.

90 otoc  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 1:23:00pm

re: #50 Sergey Romanov

Feeling like watching something creepy today. Any fresh decent horror films you've seen lately?

Zombies to go with that book?

Dead Snow

My son and I loved it.

The Horde
That last one is in my Netflix queue for tonight. I haven't seen it yet but it got decent reviews from a place that's normally critical of zombies.

91 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 1:24:00pm

re: #90 otoc

Zombies to go with that book?

Dead Snow

Already.

The Horde
That last one is in my Netflix queue for tonight. I haven't seen it yet but it got decent reviews from a place that's normally critical of zombies.

Aha, thanks, will check it out.

92 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 1:29:16pm

Tooting my own horn.

I just can't make heads or tails about the legal wrangling over the DADT repeal. Is this because the government wants to make sure that they're doing it right?

Maybe the more knowledgeable Lizards here can help me wrap my head around all of these court proceedings.

93 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 1:33:02pm

re: #92 commadore183

It was expected but it leaves a bad impression.

94 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 1:37:55pm

HiYa Lizards..Went outside for a few..It's like a hundred million degrees here in Oklahoma...
I can't believe it.. It's been 25 straight days of over 100 degrees...

95 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 1:38:59pm

re: #94 HoosierHoops
It is coming east. I am not looking forward to it. :(

96 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 1:39:19pm

re: #94 HoosierHoops

HiYa Lizards..Went outside for a few..It's like a hundred million degrees here in Oklahoma...
I can't believe it.. It's been 25 straight days of over 100 degrees...

We will raise your planet's temperature by one million degrees a day, for five days, unless we see McNeal at 9pm tomorrow - 8 central!
-Lrrr

97 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 1:41:16pm

re: #94 HoosierHoops

HiYa Lizards..Went outside for a few..It's like a hundred million degrees here in Oklahoma...
I can't believe it.. It's been 25 straight days of over 100 degrees...

I'm lucky, I'm only going to get 90+ degree weather for the next week or so.

(/deadpan)

98 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 1:41:38pm

re: #95 PhillyPretzel

It is coming east. I am not looking forward to it. :(

Yup..It's coming your way...It has been bad here..
I'm Melting
Melting
melting..

99 Amory Blaine  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 1:41:50pm

Yeah they're "hanging their heads in shame" on top of a big pile of money. They knew who Murdoch was/is and they sold it anyways. They should keep their mouths shut and stop playing victim.

100 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 1:43:34pm

re: #92 commadore183

Tooting my own horn.

I just can't make heads or tails about the legal wrangling over the DADT repeal. Is this because the government wants to make sure that they're doing it right?

Maybe the more knowledgeable Lizards here can help me wrap my head around all of these court proceedings.

I can. There are a few different elements: Congress, which originated DADT; the Executive Branch, the most recent of which wants it ended; the courts, and the military itself including top brass and the soldiers. The last issue is the timing involved in coordinating the repeal.

The ruling that keeps getting these stays is Log Cabin Republicans vs US, which first came before courts in 2004, so it long preceded the Obama administration. Read about that here [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] Basically the goal was to have DADT declared unconstitutional, which the courts finally did in Oct 2010.

I did not understand the logic behind the stays on the court rulings when they first started happening in October but I do now. The position of the Obama administration is that they want DADT ended on the military's timeline, not by Executive Order or by court order. I happen to agree with them.

101 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 1:46:48pm

re: #100 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Thanks. I'll give it a read.

102 justaminute  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 1:49:05pm

re: #98 HoosierHoops

Yup..It's coming your way...It has been bad here..
I'm Melting
Melting
melting..

Hold on Hoops. We've done this a time or two and it's not even August yet. Our Governor wants to pray and our Indians will have some kind of dance if it gets too bad. That's the Oklahoma Way!

103 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 1:51:37pm

re: #102 justaminute

Hold on Hoops. We've done this a time or two and it's not even August yet. Our Governor wants to pray and our Indians will have some kind of dance if it gets too bad. That's the Oklahoma Way!

I trust you..This is my first summer in Oklahoma...It is brutal so far..
/ I still like Norman..This town Rocks

104 Alexzander  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 1:54:44pm

Its 66 and cloudy in Seattle.

105 justaminute  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 1:55:36pm

re: #103 HoosierHoops

I trust you..This is my first summer in Oklahoma...It is brutal so far..
/ I still like Norman..This town Rocks

In Summer we are creatures of the night. During the day you can find us at the movies or in swimming pools. After 7pm we come out to eat and drink and then back to the pool for some night swimming. It's fun.

106 austin_blue  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 1:56:40pm

re: #98 HoosierHoops

Yup..It's coming your way...It has been bad here..
I'm Melting
Melting
melting..

Hoops-

You'll get used to it, trust me. And it could be worse. You're in Norman, not Stillwater. Just don't let Winston out too much and have plenty of fluids handy for both of you!

107 darthstar  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 1:56:50pm

Leave poor Rupy Murdle-durdle alone! He's going to Parliament because he wants to share some funkadelic truths with them, that's all. It's not like he's the loony left MSNew York BC Times.

108 austin_blue  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:01:07pm

re: #105 justaminute

In Summer we are creatures of the night. During the day you can find us at the movies or in swimming pools. After 7pm we come out to eat and drink and then back to the pool for some night swimming. It's fun.

Headliner bands in Austin don't even *start* playing until 11 PM in the summer! And we don't start grilling before the entire backyard is in full shadow, otherwise you're drinking a beer in ten minutes, requiring more beer, which lasts ten minutes, and soon enough, you're done before the ribs.

109 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:01:24pm

re: #106 austin_blue

I'm now having flashback's to when I used to live in Mesa, AZ and the final few months of my live in that state was without AC. One time the temp reached about 125F or so (IIRC). But it was a dry heat.

(/apply blowtorch to balls)

110 austin_blue  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:03:35pm

re: #109 commadore183

I'm now having flashback's to when I used to live in Mesa, AZ and the final few months of my live in that state was without AC. One time the temp reached about 125F or so (IIRC). But it was a dry heat.

(/apply blowtorch to balls)

Oh, yeah. Yesterday we hit 104, which is about my max for any outdoor time. Hotter than that, it doesn't matter *how* dry it is. It's just a blast furnace.

111 Alexzander  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:05:03pm

re: #108 austin_blue

Have you seen the documentary The Unforeseen?

Trailer:

I'm actually watching it right now. Its about urban development around Austin in the 90s.

112 A Man for all Seasons  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:05:50pm

re: #106 austin_blue

Hoops-

You'll get used to it, trust me. And it could be worse. You're in Norman, not Stillwater. Just don't let Winston out too much and have plenty of fluids handy for both of you!

I know it's bad your way...
Tonight..Well this weekend our local Moose lodge is hosting other lodges from Oklahoma.. It was pretty crazy last night.. You get to know a lot of people.. It's really fun.. last night.. I was smoking some cigars with guys I have never before...
( This is honest to God )
So this big guy says he was just in Napa Valley last week with his wife..
Starts talking about Yountville...( My Hometown) My ears perk up and before long we started talking about the Valley..
It was awesome..

113 justaminute  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:06:03pm

re: #108 austin_blue

Headliner bands in Austin don't even *start* playing until 11 PM in the summer! And we don't start grilling before the entire backyard is in full shadow, otherwise you're drinking a beer in ten minutes, requiring more beer, which lasts ten minutes, and soon enough, you're done before the ribs.

Summer is heck on our air conditioning bill. But I love it. It also has an added bonus, no one like to cook at home and heat their house up. My restaurant is rockin right now. They'll pay for the food but I think they just want the air conditioning that goes with it.

114 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:07:04pm

LOL. This is a hoot. I just refreshed the page and guess what ad engine is pushing . . . The Wall Street Journal.

115 austin_blue  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:08:50pm

re: #111 Alexzander

Have you seen the documentary The Unforeseen?

Trailer:

[Video]I'm actually watching it right now. Its about urban development around Austin in the 90s.

Oh, you bet. Malick lives here and Redford used to spend his summers here as a yoot.

116 makeitstop  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:09:02pm

re: #113 justaminute

Summer is heck on our air conditioning bill. But I love it. It also has an added bonus, no one like to cook at home and heat their house up. My restaurant is rockin right now. They'll pay for the food but I think they just want the air conditioning that goes with it.

You should advertise - 'Come in and pay for our air conditioning, and get any item on the menu for free!'

I think the heat's got me...

117 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:09:30pm

"IT ... ATE ... HIM!" and thus ends From Beyond. Ah, good flick.

118 Alexzander  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:11:41pm

re: #115 austin_blue

Oh, you bet. Malick lives here and Redford used to spend his summers here as a yoot.

Ohh man, I'd love to meet Malick. He studied the same kind of philosophy as I, and I also intend to make films (both documentary and feature film) one day.

Never been to Texas though. A close x said she was going to move to Austin a few months ago but I haven't written her back yet.

119 justaminute  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:12:15pm

re: #116 makeitstop

You should advertise - 'Come in and pay for our air conditioning, and get any item on the menu for free!'

I think the heat's got me...

Now that's a good one, I'll pass that on to the head honcho. HaHa

120 austin_blue  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:15:26pm

re: #118 Alexzander

Ohh man, I'd love to meet Malick. He studied the same kind of philosophy as I, and I also intend to make films (both documentary and feature film) one day.

Never been to Texas though. A close x said she was going to move to Austin a few months ago but I haven't written her back yet.

Oh noes! She arrived just in time for The Summer of Hell!

121 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:22:45pm

I just made a Page and noticed a glitch or two. The optional snarky subtitle does not appear in the Preview for a Page, and it does not appear in the Pages when you load 'em all, only when the individual Page is loaded. But for all I know, it's supposed to be that way.

122 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:26:25pm

Just saw something strange on FrumForum. One of his sidebar ads, from the Republican Leadership Council(?) had a catch phrase: "Reclaiming the Word Republican". When I hit it, I got a FB page that hadn't been updated since 2009. Too late, I guess.

123 Alexzander  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:29:59pm

re: #121 wrenchwench

The snarky subtitle doesn't appear in the preview because we dont want you to have second thoughts about said snarky-ness.
/

124 albusteve  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:30:34pm

still blazing in ABQ....100 right now, again....15% humidity so it's wet out
snort

125 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:36:03pm

re: #124 albusteve

still blazing in ABQ...100 right now, again...15% humidity so it's wet out
snort

You up and about?

126 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:38:58pm

re: #125 Decatur Deb

You up and about?

I don't know about Steve, but I'm oot and a boot.

127 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:40:01pm

re: #126 b_sharp

I don't know about Steve, but I'm oot and a boot.

Damn Canadians.
/

128 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:40:43pm

re: #126 b_sharp

I don't know about Steve, but I'm oot and a boot.

Heh. I listen to blogcasts a daughter does with a guy from Vancouver. She's starting to sound like that.

129 albusteve  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:41:42pm

re: #125 Decatur Deb

You up and about?

oh yeah...went out last night to a little club near me to hear some blues and really hit the jackpot with a terrific band....and Bobby Keys pops in now and then to play sax...anyway not more than 100 people at this place but it's a lively joint and everybody dances all night long...I sort of dance at my table with a little help from my ex....can't stop me, you can only hope to contain me

130 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:42:32pm

re: #129 albusteve

oh yeah...went out last night to a little club near me to hear some blues and really hit the jackpot with a terrific band...and Bobby Keys pops in now and then to play sax...anyway not more than 100 people at this place but it's a lively joint and everybody dances all night long...I sort of dance at my table with a little help from my ex...can't stop me, you can only hope to contain me

You went from no leg to clubbing in 24 hrs? Impressive.

131 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:43:22pm

re: #127 Varek Raith

Damn Canadians.
/

We're like a bad wool sweater, we rub the wrong way.

132 Charleston Chew  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:43:47pm

The WSJ would have no value to Murdoch if he couldn't integrate it into his global propaganda machine. Global message unification has been his ambition and source of his power for some time.

When I was a kid, I had collected (second hand) all the toys that formed Voltron except one, and I paid a kid at school a premium for that last one. If that kid had sold it to me on the condition that I never use it to complete my Voltron robot, I either wouldn't have bought it or, more likely, just lied and then attached it to Voltron anyway. What was he gonna do? It's my fucking Voltron!

Everything I need to know to understand Murdoch I learned in middle school.

133 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:44:56pm

re: #129 albusteve

oh yeah...went out last night to a little club near me to hear some blues and really hit the jackpot with a terrific band...and Bobby Keys pops in now and then to play sax...anyway not more than 100 people at this place but it's a lively joint and everybody dances all night long...I sort of dance at my table with a little help from my ex...can't stop me, you can only hope to contain me

Not the demon sex ex, I hope!

134 albusteve  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:44:58pm

re: #130 Decatur Deb

You went from no leg to clubbing in 24 hrs? Impressive.

everytime I go there the bouncer says the one legged ass kicking contest was last night...it's always last night....
yesterday was my final fitting for the peg....I WALKED!....unbelievable sensation

135 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:45:05pm

re: #128 Decatur Deb

Heh. I listen to blogcasts a daughter does with a guy from Vancouver. She's starting to sound like that.

Is she a Newfie?

136 makeitstop  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:47:13pm

re: #134 albusteve

everytime I go there the bouncer says the one legged ass kicking contest was last night...it's always last night...
yesterday was my final fitting for the peg...I WALKED!...unbelievable sensation

That's so cool. You go, Steve.

137 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:47:15pm

re: #135 b_sharp

Is she a Newfie?

Nah she's from KY/Korea/NJ/Italy/AL. He sounds like that, and she unconsciously picks up from anyone she deals with.

138 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:47:15pm
139 albusteve  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:48:13pm

re: #133 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Not the demon sex ex, I hope!

no...my third and final wife...the love of my life
been divorced seven years but we still hang out a lot, travel to visit the kids, ski, party all that stuff....still music/road mates

140 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:49:09pm

re: #139 albusteve

no...my third and final wife...the love of my life
been divorced seven years but we still hang out a lot, travel to visit the kids, ski, party all that stuff...still music/road mates

Sounds like a waste of a good lawyer.

141 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:49:47pm

re: #129 albusteve

oh yeah...went out last night to a little club near me to hear some blues and really hit the jackpot with a terrific band...and Bobby Keys pops in now and then to play sax...anyway not more than 100 people at this place but it's a lively joint and everybody dances all night long...I sort of dance at my table with a little help from my ex...can't stop me, you can only hope to contain me

Nice!

142 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:49:55pm

re: #139 albusteve

no...my third and final wife...the love of my life
been divorced seven years but we still hang out a lot, travel to visit the kids, ski, party all that stuff...still music/road mates

Sometimes ppl get on better when divorced. Seen that a lot.

143 albusteve  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:51:21pm

re: #140 Decatur Deb

Sounds like a waste of a good lawyer.

I didn't even know there was such a thing

144 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:51:21pm

re: #137 Decatur Deb

Nah she's from KY/Korea/NJ/Italy/AL. He sounds like that, and she unconsciously picks up from anyone she deals with.

When I was a teenager, a friend and I worked for the carnival for a week and our supervisor was from the US south east. At the end of the week we realized we were talking with an accent.

145 albusteve  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:54:21pm

re: #142 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Sometimes ppl get on better when divorced. Seen that a lot.

she's bi-polar and regrets ever wanting divorce...but at the time it's how she coped with it...we had a terrific marriage, inseparable, and now have moved into the next realm, together as usual...we are still madly in love

146 makeitstop  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:54:34pm

re: #142 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Sometimes ppl get on better when divorced. Seen that a lot.

Yep. My first wife and I get on much better since we got divorced.

OTOH, I don't talk to her a whole lot any more, so that might have a lot to do with it as well. Talks always eventually broke down into arguments.

147 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:55:10pm

re: #144 b_sharp

When I was a teenager, a friend and I worked for the carnival for a week and our supervisor was from the US south east. At the end of the week we realized we were talking with an accent.

One of the boys had my Pennsylvania accent overlaid with KY. When we moved to NJ, his middle-school teachers went weak-kneed for the Sir/Ma'am.

148 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:56:56pm

re: #147 Decatur Deb

One of the boys had my Pennsylvania accent overlaid with KY. When we moved to NJ, his middle-school teachers went weak-kneed for the Sir/Ma'am.

Humans pick up language and accents pretty easily, especially kids.

149 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:57:14pm

Question for the vast talent found here... Those of us that upload video we work on. What is you favorite codec for Vimeo & Youtube HD 1080?
I finished a four minute video all shot in 1080p. Some of the codecs are disappointing to say the least. Like 1080HD here becomes 470(Marginal SD) after uploading. (yuck)

150 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 2:58:54pm

re: #145 albusteve

she's bi-polar and regrets ever wanting divorce...but at the time it's how she coped with it...we had a terrific marriage, inseparable, and now have moved into the next realm, together as usual...we are still madly in love

Sounds like a keeper. Remarry?

151 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:00:28pm

re: #150 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Sounds like a keeper. Remarry?

It's probably more comfortable as it is.

152 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:02:59pm

re: #151 b_sharp

It's probably more comfortable as it is.

Don't assume "yenta" is an ethnic exclusive.

153 Alexzander  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:03:53pm

re: #149 Rightwingconspirator

Question for the vast talent found here... Those of us that upload video we work on. What is you favorite codec for Vimeo & Youtube HD 1080?
I finished a four minute video all shot in 1080p. Some of the codecs are disappointing to say the least. Like 1080HD here becomes 470(Marginal SD) after uploading. (yuck)

Whats the film about and where are you located out of curiosity?

154 albusteve  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:04:43pm

re: #150 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Sounds like a keeper. Remarry?

maybe someday...we like it the way it is at present...
she's working on a grant to finance a motor home set up as a clinic, then use it out across the NM boonies providing health care to the poor....it will include a driver and logistics guy...that's me....heh, even get paid a little for it....a week or more at a time on the road together

155 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:05:57pm

re: #154 albusteve

maybe someday...we like it the way it is at present...
she's working on a grant to finance a motor home set up as a clinic, then use it out across the NM boonies providing health care to the poor...it will include a driver and logistics guy...that's me...heh, even get paid a little for it...a week or more at a time on the road together

Sounds like a romantic comedy, or a Steven King flick.

156 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:08:22pm

re: #153 Alexzander

I shot a bunch of cloud footage up in the local mountains over a few months. With a new computer and great software I took that footage and set it to a song done by a friends band, asa cruz.

157 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:08:56pm

re: #153 Alexzander

Oh and I'm located in the Los Angeles area.

158 albusteve  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:10:02pm

re: #155 Decatur Deb

Sounds like a romantic comedy, or a Steven King flick.

it's been both over the course of 20 some years...we had some wild times, ran into a few ditches here and there but it's been the best part of my life, no question....the kids alone are an epic part of it....we are joined at the hip...Steve and Alice

159 Alexzander  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:10:33pm

re: #156 Rightwingconspirator

Definitely post it here when you are done! If you were a little closer I would have asked if you wanted to possibly collaborate on something.

160 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:12:29pm

re: #152 Decatur Deb

Don't assume "yenta" is an ethnic exclusive.

I had to go look up yenta to understand your point.

161 makeitstop  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:12:42pm

re: #159 Alexzander

Definitely post it here when you are done! If you were a little closer I would have asked if you wanted to possibly collaborate on something.

The great thing about computers is that collabs don't depend upon geographic proximity so much any more.

A few years ago i did a collection of songs and I ended up using a drummer from the Atlanta area. I'd never met him, but we became pretty good friends after sending .wav files back and forth for a month or so.

162 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:14:54pm

re: #158 albusteve

it's been both over the course of 20 some years...we had some wild times, ran into a few ditches here and there but it's been the best part of my life, no question...the kids alone are an epic part of it...we are joined at the hip...Steve and Alice

The truck sounds neat--does she hang with Indian Affairs medics? They do that kind of thing. In KY mountains, the Frontier Nursing Service has been in that business since mule-back.

[Link: www.frontiernursing.org...]

163 albusteve  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:15:44pm

re: #161 makeitstop

The great thing about computers is that collabs don't depend upon geographic proximity so much any more.

A few years ago i did a collection of songs and I ended up using a drummer from the Atlanta area. I'd never met him, but we became pretty good friends after sending .wav files back and forth for a month or so.

the Stones recorded Bridges To Babylon from points all over the world...the entire band was never in the studio at the same time...not a first, but certainly the new wave since a den can be a studio nowdays

164 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:17:25pm

re: #152 Decatur Deb

Don't assume "yenta" is an ethnic exclusive.

Yeah except I'm the last person in the world to qualify as one. I don't even want to get gay-married lol

Pearl Bailey, I'm not.


^Not me
165 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:17:37pm

re: #160 b_sharp

I had to go look up yenta to understand your point.

I had to Google myself to confirm it--gotta go down to the third or fourth meaning to make sense.

166 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:17:57pm

re: #161 makeitstop

if you wanna get really weird, you can actually jam remotely if you have skype and the right gear, a guitarist friend and I figure out stuff over skype, he shows me licks and we can play together with very little lag. it's a glorious future!

167 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:19:00pm

re: #159 Alexzander

When I get the codec worked out I'll upload and Page it for a music break. Hopefully tonight.

168 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:19:31pm

re: #164 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

The Muppets never missed a talent.

169 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:20:13pm

re: #166 WindUpBird

if you wanna get really weird, you can actually jam remotely if you have skype and the right gear, a guitarist friend and I figure out stuff over skype, he shows me licks and we can play together with very little lag. it's a glorious future!

I haven't done that, but my younger brother and I swap mp3 tracks and lay down accompaniment before sending them back.

170 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:21:02pm

re: #159 Alexzander

Definitely post it here when you are done! If you were a little closer I would have asked if you wanted to possibly collaborate on something.

If you would like to get in touch despite the distance my nic is blue.

171 b_sharp  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:21:41pm

I'm watching 'The Deadly Mantis' as I play with you guys. Damn I like old cheese.

172 albusteve  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:22:11pm

re: #162 Decatur Deb

The truck sounds neat--does she hang with Indian Affairs medics? They do that kind of thing. In KY mountains, the Frontier Nursing Service has been in that business since mule-back.

[Link: www.frontiernursing.org...]

she's been collecting contacts for years...and is on the verge of getting her Masters in nursing...that's a huge deal and she is brilliant, people are very impressed with her and she has cut a major swath through the nursing business...she is a big hitter and has a plan and she never fails at anything to do with medicine....
the problem with rural health care out here is so few people are committed to community service....it's too demanding, too hard, too heart wrenching...this is the 5th biggest state in the union with people tucked into nooks a crannies that are lost from modern times...a very difficult situation...we are going to fix that

173 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:22:37pm

re: #169 b_sharp

I haven't done that, but my younger brother and I swap mp3 tracks and lay down accompaniment before sending them back.

I have to get muh damn electronic drum kit overhauled, so many pieces to replace *_*

right now I'm in the "okay, what horrendous racket can I make with this guitar" phase :D

174 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:23:14pm

re: #134 albusteve

everytime I go there the bouncer says the one legged ass kicking contest was last night...it's always last night...
yesterday was my final fitting for the peg...I WALKED!...unbelievable sensation

Congrats Steve! That's just awesome!

175 albusteve  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:23:31pm

re: #164 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yeah except I'm the last person in the world to qualify as one. I don't even want to get gay-married lol

Pearl Bailey, I'm not.

[Video]
^Not me

saw her and Cab Calloway in Hello Dolly! in NYC...a monumental performance

176 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:23:31pm

re: #134 albusteve

everytime I go there the bouncer says the one legged ass kicking contest was last night...it's always last night...
yesterday was my final fitting for the peg...I WALKED!...unbelievable sensation

Can't stop the Duke.
Image: news_img_45044_0.jpg

177 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:26:00pm

re: #175 albusteve

saw her and Cab Calloway in Hello Dolly! in NYC...a monumental performance

Wow!

I was just about to post that I have these:

Image: 41TBFPFTVPL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

Image: g_71488062_tp.jpg

Wish I could have seen it.

178 albusteve  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:26:59pm

re: #174 Stanley Sea

Congrats Steve! That's just awesome!

it really was...I was fighting back tears, I've suffered so much and waited so long...it was like a fairy tale there for a bit...it was awkward and uncomfortable but I finally did it...what a buzz!

179 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:27:20pm

re: #172 albusteve

she's been collecting contacts for years...and is on the verge of getting her Masters in nursing...that's a huge deal and she is brilliant, people are very impressed with her and she has cut a major swath through the nursing business...she is a big hitter and has a plan and she never fails at anything to do with medicine...
the problem with rural health care out here is so few people are committed to community service...it's too demanding, too hard, too heart wrenching...this is the 5th biggest state in the union with people tucked into nooks a crannies that are lost from modern times...a very difficult situation...we are going to fix that

Here's her ride--goes for about 8k on eBay.

Image: 4493698312_1c0a714f56.jpg

180 makeitstop  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:29:53pm

re: #166 WindUpBird

if you wanna get really weird, you can actually jam remotely if you have skype and the right gear, a guitarist friend and I figure out stuff over skype, he shows me licks and we can play together with very little lag. it's a glorious future!

I never have the time to sit down and learn the stuff! I try to be as forward-leaning as possible with my gear and stuff, but if I've got the option to go out and play live, I'll take it every time.

181 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:30:42pm

re: #134 albusteve

everytime I go there the bouncer says the one legged ass kicking contest was last night...it's always last night...
yesterday was my final fitting for the peg...I WALKED!...unbelievable sensation

Thank you for not getting yourself banned before it happened.

You can go back to being an old bastard now.

/

182 albusteve  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:30:53pm

re: #177 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Wow!

I was just about to post that I have these:

Image: 41TBFPFTVPL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

Image: g_71488062_tp.jpg

Wish I could have seen it.

I was only 16 but I vividly recall that show...Calloway was not like anybody I'd ever seen before or since...if I heard the name of the theater I'd recognize it...something tells me it was the Wintergarden

183 albusteve  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:33:33pm

re: #181 wrenchwench

Thank you for not getting yourself banned before it happened.

You can go back to being an old bastard now.

/

since when is 59 old?...huh?
put em up
put em up

184 albusteve  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:34:50pm

re: #179 Decatur Deb

Here's her ride--goes for about 8k on eBay.

Image: 4493698312_1c0a714f56.jpg

think big...
[Link: www.in.all.biz...]

185 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:36:19pm

Mr. w is 19 years older than I am. I've long had to be careful what I call "old". Right now, it's ok to call a person in their 90s "old".

186 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:38:16pm

re: #182 albusteve

I was only 16 but I vividly recall that show...Calloway was not like anybody I'd ever seen before or since...if I heard the name of the theater I'd recognize it...something tells me it was the Winter BEER garden

were you wearing a "brown shirt"?

was there a deranged looking guy with a weird mustache giving an impassioned nationalistic speech!?!?!

/////

187 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:38:46pm

re: #184 albusteve

think big...
[Link: www.in.all.biz...]

Royal Mesopotamian Land Yacht. You'll need a couple of the Rovers to carry the patients to the hardstand.

188 makeitstop  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:39:19pm

re: #185 wrenchwench

Mr. w is 19 years older than I am. I've long had to be careful what I call "old". Right now, it's ok to call a person in their 90s "old".

I got 22 years on my wife, and she's offended when I call myself old.

She never calls me that. :)

189 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:40:09pm

re: #183 albusteve

since when is 59 old?...huh?
put em up
put em up


You're only "59"

Whats that in dog years?

190 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:40:52pm

My dad is 86.

191 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:41:02pm

re: #188 makeitstop

I got 22 years on my wife, and she's offended when I call myself old.

She never calls me that. :)

Actually, she does

At your age, you're just too deaf to hear her!!

/

192 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:41:49pm

re: #190 PhillyPretzel

My dad is 86.

Mine turned 88 in April

193 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:42:23pm

re: #190 PhillyPretzel

My dad is 86.

I think we've got a Lizard ("Bear") about that old.

194 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:42:38pm

re: #190 PhillyPretzel

My dad is 86.

btw ,, the upding is for your dad ,, , NOT for you!!
/

195 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:43:21pm

re: #178 albusteve

it really was...I was fighting back tears, I've suffered so much and waited so long...it was like a fairy tale there for a bit...it was awkward and uncomfortable but I finally did it...what a buzz!

Some Gospel is in order

196 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:43:35pm

re: #193 Decatur Deb

I think we've got a Lizard ("Bear") about that old.

takes him all day to type

"HI"

//

197 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:44:12pm

re: #194 sattv4u2
I will attempt to explain that to him. He still prefers a typewriter to a computer.

198 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:45:16pm

I suspect most of you are just as old as my dad.
:P
/

199 albusteve  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:46:15pm

re: #195 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I love me some gospel...the Blind Boys are a national treasure, I say that once in a while but I don't know another way to express my feelings....saw them at the NOLA Jazz Fest

200 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:47:02pm

re: #198 Varek Raith

I suspect most of you are just as old as my dad.
:P
/

And your point is!?!!?


GET OFF MY LAWN

201 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:48:01pm

re: #199 albusteve

I love me some gospel...the Blind Boys are a national treasure, I say that once in a while but I don't know another way to express my feelings...saw them at the NOLA Jazz Fest

Oh hell yes

Saw them at The Fox Theatre in Atlanta

AWESOME

202 makeitstop  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:48:42pm

re: #191 sattv4u2

Actually, she does

At your age, you're just too deaf to hear her!!

/

What?

203 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:49:15pm

re: #201 sattv4u2

Oh hell yes

Saw them at The Fox Theatre in Atlanta

AWESOME

204 albusteve  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:49:17pm

pop gospel...
the Band/Staples

205 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:49:22pm

re: #202 makeitstop

What?

huh!?!?

206 makeitstop  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:49:56pm

re: #205 sattv4u2

huh!?!?

EH?

207 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:50:28pm

re: #199 albusteve

I love me some gospel...the Blind Boys are a national treasure, I say that once in a while but I don't know another way to express my feelings...saw them at the NOLA Jazz Fest

Pffft.. Local Boys.

208 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:50:35pm

re: #206 makeitstop

EH?

{grumble mumble grumble}

AND GET OFF MY LAWN!!

209 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:51:33pm

re: #182 albusteve

I was only 16 but I vividly recall that show...Calloway was not like anybody I'd ever seen before or since...if I heard the name of the theater I'd recognize it...something tells me it was the Wintergarden

Now I had to go dig up the album/playbill.

The one I have is from the National Theatre, 1967. Looks like you saw this one? [Link: ibdb.com...]

210 makeitstop  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:52:48pm

re: #208 sattv4u2

{grumble mumble grumble}

AND GET OFF MY LAWN!!

Wait, what do you mean, wet hoss is gone?

211 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:53:37pm

re: #186 sattv4u2

were you wearing a "brown shirt"?

was there a deranged looking guy with a weird mustache giving an impassioned nationalistic speech!?!?!

///

Lol at a Cab Calloway/Pearl Baily show, prolly not.

212 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:53:41pm

Feet first into the meat grinder: Gruesome death for sausage factory worker chewed up in front of his horrified colleagues

Read more: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]


NOTE TO SELF ,,, at Sunday brunch tomorrow ,, stick with the bacon!

213 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:54:13pm

re: #210 makeitstop

Wait, what do you mean, wet hoss is gone?

No,, I said peat moss is porn

214 albusteve  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:54:23pm

re: #209 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Now I had to go dig up the album/playbill.

The one I have is from the National Theatre, 1967. Looks like you saw this one? [Link: ibdb.com...]

had to it...the time is right...one cool aspect is that both my parents were deep into music of all sorts, so I was primed to understand what I was seeing

215 makeitstop  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:55:03pm

re: #212 sattv4u2

Feet first into the meat grinder: Gruesome death for sausage factory worker chewed up in front of his horrified colleagues

Read more: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

NOTE TO SELF ,,, at Sunday brunch tomorrow ,, stick with the bacon!

Got a link?

/

216 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:55:07pm

This is an actual Dutch shopping site. Give it a bit to load, then watch it unload.

[Link: producten.hema.nl...]

217 albusteve  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:55:47pm

re: #203 sattv4u2

[Video]

heh, very unusual, very cool...
House of the Rising Sun/Amazing Grace

218 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:55:56pm

re: #215 makeitstop

Got a link?

/

You;re really a ham!

219 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:56:04pm

re: #215 makeitstop
No. but I have some patties. /

220 makeitstop  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:56:10pm

re: #213 sattv4u2

No,, I said peat moss is porn

Oh. Sorry to hear that your feet cross is torn.

Gah. I think I just ate a bug.

221 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:56:32pm

re: #220 makeitstop

Oh. Sorry to hear that your feet cross is torn.

Gah. I think I just ate a bug.

you need a hug?

222 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:57:07pm

re: #220 makeitstop
High quality protein.

223 makeitstop  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:57:07pm

re: #221 sattv4u2

you need a hug?

Who you calling a lug?

224 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:57:57pm

re: #212 sattv4u2

Feet first into the meat grinder: Gruesome death for sausage factory worker chewed up in front of his horrified colleagues

Read more: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

NOTE TO SELF ,,, at Sunday brunch tomorrow ,, stick with the bacon!

If you get dead in Lawton OK, and it makes the papers in London, it was probably pretty bad.

225 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:58:49pm

re: #212 sattv4u2

Feet first into the meat grinder: Gruesome death for sausage factory worker chewed up in front of his horrified colleagues

Read more: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

NOTE TO SELF ,,, at Sunday brunch tomorrow ,, stick with the bacon!

Coworkers watched in disbelief as it ripped his legs off

Perhaps one of them should have turned the SWITCH OFF

Investigation launched by health and safety bosses

That train has left the station!

226 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 3:59:32pm

re: #223 makeitstop

Who you calling a lug?

I'm falling in a mug??

227 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 4:00:23pm

re: #216 wrenchwench

This is an actual Dutch shopping site. Give it a bit to load, then watch it unload.

[Link: producten.hema.nl...]

Really clever. (I always wondered what language we borrowed "ghettoblaster" from.)

228 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 4:00:42pm

re: #226 sattv4u2

I am pulling the plug on the puns. //

229 makeitstop  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 4:00:55pm

re: #226 sattv4u2

I'm falling in a mug??

That's what I said! :)

Enough silliness. I gotta go load my truck full of gear. I love showbiz.

Laters, Lizards.

230 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 4:01:01pm

re: #220 makeitstop

re: #222 PhillyPretzel

High quality protein.

I didn't know Andrew Zimmern was a Lizard!!

231 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 4:01:37pm

re: #229 makeitstop

That's what I said! :)

Enough silliness. I gotta go load my truck full of gear. I love showbiz.

Laters, Lizards.

You gotta go fold your trunk full of beer??

232 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 4:02:11pm

re: #228 PhillyPretzel

I am pulling the plug on the puns. //

Plugs??

Is that you, Joe Biden!?!?

233 makeitstop  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 4:04:08pm

re: #231 sattv4u2

You gotta go fold your trunk full of beer??

Yeah, something like that.

Loading into a club to play our usual Saturday night, then leaving the stage rig up and playing the club's annual Seafood Fest tomorrow.

There will be beer. And lobster.

234 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 4:04:12pm

re: #232 sattv4u2
Nope. Just your average philly pretzel. /

235 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 4:05:49pm

re: #180 makeitstop

I never have the time to sit down and learn the stuff! I try to be as forward-leaning as possible with my gear and stuff, but if I've got the option to go out and play live, I'll take it every time.

I'm in songwriting mode and my collaborator is in the bay area so not an option at the moment :D

236 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 4:15:48pm

OT, but I am seeing news of rolling blackouts in Tripoli.

238 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 4:23:06pm

re: #217 albusteve

heh, very unusual, very cool...
House of the Rising Sun/Amazing Grace

Common Metre. You can mix/match all kinds of tunes with lyrics if you know metres.

Also, this may interest you:
[Link: www.amazinggracemovie.com...]

239 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 4:28:01pm

re: #236 ProLifeLiberal

Also, in the past 1-2 hours, massive bombing is occurring all over the city. Tajura neighborhood in the east is the most talked about.

240 albusteve  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 4:34:28pm

re: #238 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Common Metre. You can mix/match all kinds of tunes with lyrics if you know metres.

Also, this may interest you:
[Link: www.amazinggracemovie.com...]

looks pretty good...a period piece where might actually learn something

241 albusteve  Sat, Jul 16, 2011 4:54:26pm

Congo Square
Sonny Landreth

242 robdouth  Mon, Jul 18, 2011 10:45:55pm

The only problem with Joe Nocera's column is that it's all bullshit. His example of a use of a phrase actually was cut before the final editing. Also his example of Democrat being used as an adjective was a lie also. But hey, it sounds good, and we don't really need to check the evidence, so yay, WSJ has been foxified...

243 robdouth  Mon, Jul 18, 2011 10:53:01pm

Specifically the passage quoted in Sarah Ellison's book has already been thoroughly debunked for the misleading story it is by James Taranto. Also the only other specific he gives in a rambling article with no specifics is the Democrats as an adjective, which after a search, yielded absolutely 0 results other than 2 examples of economized headlines where for space the term was used instead of Democratic and didn't instill any invective.

That means that example was an outright lie by Joe Nocera, but I guess fake and inaccurate but agrees with my world view is good enough?

It's not even fake but accurate or a well-meaning lie. It's a malicious untruth by a paper that fell long ago and has since became the crazy old lady and is much more irrelevant that Nocera hopes the WSJ will become.

244 robdouth  Mon, Jul 18, 2011 10:56:04pm

re: #16 Alexzander

Also the only thing verifiable is shorter articles. The other two are purely subjective.


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