Murdoch Meltdown Update: Chief Exec Rebekah Brooks Arrested

The sudden collapse of an empire
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In the ever-widening Rupert Murdoch phone hacking scandal, Rebekah Brooks, the chief executive for Murdoch’s News International who resigned on Friday, was arrested today in London.

Rebekah Brooks has been arrested by police investigating allegations of phone hacking by the News of the World and allegations that police officers were bribed to leak sensitive information.

Brooks, 43, resigned on Friday as News International’s chief executive. She is a former News of the World editor and was close to Rupert Murdoch and the prime minister, David Cameron.

A spokesman for Brooks said she did not know she was going to be arrested when she handed in her resignation.

Brooks was taken into custody at midday on Sunday, after agreeing to attend a London police station for questioning. Her spokesman, Bell Pottinger chairman David Wilson, said she did not know she was to meet with police until late on Friday, and that she did not know the appointment would result in her arrest.

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1 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:02:49am

Bribery of the police is really something that they can't overlook. That's not something that can get swept under the rug.

2 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:03:02am

"A spokesman for Brooks said she did not know she was going to be arrested when she handed in her resignation"

Because she cannot begin to think that she had done anything illegal...

3 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:03:40am

re: #1 Obdicut
The mess is too big to be swept under anything.

4 allegro  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:05:03am

re: #2 ralphieboy

"A spokesman for Brooks said she did not know she was going to be arrested when she handed in her resignation"

Because she cannot begin to think that she had done anything illegal...

I figure they knew what they were doing was illegal as hell as well as unethical, immoral and downright shitty but figured they were "too big to fail." Kinda nice to finally see someone taken down for it. Hopefully it will include many more include Murdoch himself.

5 The Yankee  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:06:42am

I am waiting and hoping that they will begin to turn on each other to get better deals. If that happens then that will defiantly be the end of the Murdoch or and NewsCorp

6 William of Orange  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:07:15am

It was inevitable but if this is a good thing, I don't know. Was there a feeing risk? And will the parliament still be able to ask her questions?

Is the police busy with some damage control themselves??

7 kirkspencer  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:08:30am

Brooks was supposed to testify to a select committee of parliament Tuesday. I've seen speculation that "cannot speak due to an ongoing investigation" may apply. On the other hand there's an absolute prohibition that speech to Parliament cannot be used as a confession for trial, which in turn means that defense is severely weakened.

8 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:08:53am

re: #4 allegro

I figure they knew what they were doing was illegal as hell as well as unethical, immoral and downright shitty but figured they were "too big to fail." Kinda nice to finally see someone taken down for it. Hopefully it will include many more include Murdoch himself.

I keep praying that they'll tie Roger Ailes in to it as well. Honestly, it would give me pure joy to see him doing the perp walk.

9 William of Orange  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:09:29am

I still think the real mess is not above the surface. When things really go down in the USA part of the Murdoch empire, I think fireworks will go off. It's time to start some data mining in the offices of the Murdochs before more damaging information vanishes.

10 William of Orange  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:10:59am

re: #8 wlewisiii

I keep praying that they'll tie Roger Ailes in to it as well. Honestly, it would give me pure joy to see him doing the perp walk.

I give you a plus for that! :-)

11 Lidane  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:13:06am

re: #4 allegro

I figure they knew what they were doing was illegal as hell as well as unethical, immoral and downright shitty but figured they were "too big to fail." Kinda nice to finally see someone taken down for it. Hopefully it will include many more include Murdoch himself.

It's the Enron mentality. They're successful, so why should anyone care how they got that way?

I honestly hope this brings down NewsCorp, at least here in the States. Fox News has been a cancer on the news here.

12 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:14:27am

News outlets like Fox have been getting by on the excuse that they are just filling a market niche and giving people what they want, but now it truly comes out that the sleep of reason is breeding mosters.

13 SteelGHAZI  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:15:18am

re: #3 PhillyPretzel

Gotta give points to the Fox talking heads for trying though.

MOVE ALONG, PEOPLE. NOTHING TO SEE HERE.

14 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:15:52am

re: #13 SteelPH
LOL

15 Lidane  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:17:17am

re: #13 SteelPH

Gotta give points to the Fox talking heads for trying though.

This is not the media scandal you're looking for.

16 mr.fusion  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:17:53am

re: #11 Lidane

It's the Enron mentality. They're successful, so why should anyone care how they got that way?

I honestly hope this brings down NewsCorp, at least here in the States. Fox News has been a cancer on the news here.

Because it took so many years for this to come to light the parties involved in this scandal have become intertwined in so many different media outlets....

I can't imagine that it's all that long before we start seeing various NewsCorp properties here in the states involved in these types of practices

17 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:18:12am

re: #15 Lidane
It is a misuse of the force. //

18 Kronocide  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:18:28am

There is a ton of hacking going on! What about the Pentagon? Citibank?

Yeah, no shit. What about CRU/East Anglia?

19 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:19:35am

re: #6 William of Orange

It was inevitable but if this is a good thing, I don't know. Was there a feeing risk? And will the parliament still be able to ask her questions?

Is the police busy with some damage control themselves??

The police are definitely going to try damage control. Good point.

20 mr.fusion  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:20:37am

re: #1 Obdicut

Bribery of the police is really something that they can't overlook. That's not something that can get swept under the rug.

You're so right, and it's just a reminder that this is about way more than phone hacking......it's the bribery, the thuggish way the kept politicians in line, and who knows what else.

I'm convinced we're at the end of the beginning of this story and there's still a lot more that is left to be unraveled

21 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:21:58am

re: #20 mr.fusion
This is only the very tip of the iceberg.

22 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:22:00am

MP who will grill the Murdochs admits he has links to News Corp

Chair who will grill Murdochs the only MP to be 'Facebook friends' with Rebekah Brooks and Les Hinton

23 Lidane  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:22:20am

re: #16 mr.fusion

Because it took so many years for this to come to light the parties involved in this scandal have become intertwined in so many different media outlets...

Speaking of that:

CNN Ignores Piers Morgan’s Connection To News Corp. Scandal

24 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:22:37am

re: #22 Killgore Trout
More coverup?

25 kirkspencer  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:23:10am

On the other hand, as KT posted a couple of threads ago:

PROF. W. JOSEPH CAMPBELL: Why The Murdoch Scandal Is No Watergate. What it is, in the United States, is media battlespace preparation, trying to neutralize Fox News between now and the 2012 election. In Britain, it’s also about ensuring the reduction of alternative power centers.
Posted at 10:10 am by Glenn Reynolds

Given what I'm calling the Republican Law of Projection (the tendency to call the Other Side on what they're already doing), that's why you'll see resistance.

Well, besides the money. And the prison time.

26 The Yankee  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:23:49am

I heard that the FCC in the USA could suspend his licenses if they think that this has spread through out his news empire.

27 recusancy  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:25:44am

OT: Good vid from Obama on the subject of epistemic closure and compromise.

28 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:26:21am

re: #24 PhillyPretzel

More coverup?

They have friends in high places but I think is is beyond any ability to cover up. It's something to keep any eye on but this could bring down a lot of UK politicians too.

29 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:27:21am

re: #28 Killgore Trout
I agree.

30 Randall Gross  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:29:43am

Personally I think she went in knowing she was going to have to cut a deal, and that it originally might have been just questioning. Hopefully she will spill a lot of beans.

31 Randall Gross  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:33:05am

This article from Fred Mann at the Witchita Eagle is a must read for lizards, it's the strategy for the lead in to the elections for the anti choice zealots, and Kansans are the worst among them. Lots of crazy quotes, and probably a couple of new names you need to know and watch for.

32 Randall Gross  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:34:18am

re: #28 Killgore Trout

They have friends in high places but I think is is beyond any ability to cover up. It's something to keep any eye on but this could bring down a lot of UK politicians too.

From AP seconds ago

BREAKING: London police chief resigns over claims of links to Murdoch figure in hacking scandal. -EF #breakingnews

33 beepollen  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:35:16am

AP now reporting the London police chief is stepping down.

Wowza. Big day.

34 CarleeCork  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:35:37am

re: #28 Killgore Trout

They have friends in high places but I think is is beyond any ability to cover up. It's something to keep any eye on but this could bring down a lot of UK politicians too.


And perhaps US politicians as well.

35 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:36:42am

re: #32 Thanos

From AP seconds ago

wow. I can't believe how fast this is moving.

36 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:37:33am

re: #35 Killgore Trout

it is moving like wildfire.

37 Randall Gross  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:38:41am

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Britain's top police officer, Sir Paul Stephenson, who is under fire for hiring the former News of the World deputy editor Neil Wallis as his PR adviser, reportedly accepted 20 nights free of charge at the luxury health spa Champneys earlier this year.

The revelations, published on the front page of the Sunday Times, will pile further pressure on the Metropolitan police commissioner, who has been under attack since he admitted employing Wallis on a fee of £1,000 a day, just hours after the former News International executive's arrest last week in connection with the phone-hacking inquiry.

38 kirkspencer  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:38:44am

re: #32 Thanos

re: #33 beepollen

Up to now I'd been hopeful but hesitant that this would turn out to major. This - the chief of the Met - resigning ends the hesitation.

I'm still not certain it'll be significant to the US portion, but it's a lot more likely.

39 Gus  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:40:14am

re: #32 Thanos

From AP seconds ago

Just saw that. This thing is snowballing fast.

40 Randall Gross  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:40:55am

re: #35 Killgore Trout

wow. I can't believe how fast this is moving.

Closing the paper sealed the fate, it was the most boneheaded thing Murdoch's ever done. It guaranteed that a flock of angry informants would flee to the police to cut a deal first, and flee to other papers to try to sell the dirt first. I do believe how fast it's unfolding... everyone wants to cut their deal before it's too late.

41 Kronocide  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:41:56am

I admit to a big smattering of shadenfreude. Hopefully some semblance of integrity will be regained by the press.

42 mr.fusion  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:42:29am

re: #40 Thanos

Closing the paper sealed the fate, it was the most boneheaded thing Murdoch's ever done. It guaranteed that a flock of angry informants would flee to the police to cut a deal first, and flee to other papers to try to sell the dirt first. I do believe how fast it's unfolding... everyone wants to cut their deal before it's too late.

No honor amongst thieves

43 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:42:29am

re: #40 Thanos

Closing the paper sealed the fate, it was the most boneheaded thing Murdoch's ever done. It guaranteed that a flock of angry informants would flee to the police to cut a deal first, and flee to other papers to try to sell the dirt first. I do believe how fast it's unfolding... everyone wants to cut their deal before it's too late.

Very good point.

44 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:43:01am

Innocent until proven guilty (just like the right treats Obama).

45 jaunte  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:44:02am

re: #41 BigPapa

Hopefully some semblance of integrity will be regained by the press.

Some of the 'press' are still gamely throwing out red herrings.

Dilenschneider: “[This issue] really should get put behind us. Investigators and the courts should deal with this, and we should move on and deal with the important topics of the day.”

Doocy: “I think you’re right… Straight ahead, Casey Anthony set to be released in two days…”

46 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:44:32am

re: #20 mr.fusion

You're so right, and it's just a reminder that this is about way more than phone hacking...it's the bribery, the thuggish way the kept politicians in line, and who knows what else.

I'm convinced we're at the end of the beginning of this story and there's still a lot more that is left to be unraveled

That is the issue. Same here, with Fox and the GOP.

It's really going to be an interesting time.

47 Randall Gross  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:46:34am

re: #45 jaunte

Some of the 'press' are still gamely throwing out red herrings.

Unfortunately Casey Anthony is the lead of most papers today, with Rebekah Brooks a close second. When tabloid press gets in trouble the triple the other tabloid trash to bury theirs.

48 mr.fusion  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:47:50am

re: #46 Stanley Sea

That is the issue. Same here, with Fox and the GOP.

It's really going to be an interesting time.

I keep going back in my head to that interview El Rushbo had with HW where he slipped up and asked about Roger Ailes

49 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:48:52am

re: #27 recusancy

OT: Good vid from Obama on the subject of epistemic closure and compromise.

[Video]

"You can be honorable in politics, understanding that you are not going to get 100% of what you want."

Damn this President, he is really the real deal, and so many refuse to use their heads to see it. Thanks for posting.

50 Randall Gross  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:50:17am

Ire: #48 mr.fusion

I keep going back in my head to that interview El Rushbo had with HW where he slipped up and asked about Roger Ailes

Wow, I had not seen that

51 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:50:34am
52 mr.fusion  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:50:56am

re: #41 BigPapa

I admit to a big smattering of shadenfreude. Hopefully some semblance of integrity will be regained by the press.

NewsCorp made the "news" all about making money/ratings.....when other news organizations saw the potential profits out there they all followed suit.

I really hopes this leads to a reassessment in the media on how they conduct their business and handle their responsibility.....but I highly doubt it

53 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:51:50am

re: #33 beepollen

AP now reporting the London police chief is stepping down.

Wowza. Big day.

Dang.

54 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:51:53am

re: #51 b_sharp
It would be wasted. They have shot themselves center of mass.

55 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:53:45am

My cup runeth over with schadenfreude....
News Corporation crisis: Is News International really unsellable?

Willing buyers

So all that talk about a sale six months down the line may have something to it. The unthinkable might be thinkable after all. The big stumbling block, however, is finding a willing and credible buyer for all or any of the titles.
....
The Independent has been lucky enough to fall into the hands of a super-rich Russian businessman, Alexander Lebedev, and his increasingly influential son, Evgeny. There is no suggestion that he would want to add the Times to his stable, and he would surely fall foul of competition regulations anyway. Maybe there is another wealthy Russian – Roman Abramovich, perhaps – who would like to buy a loss-making newspaper institution.

Perhaps a media-friendly sheikh may consider it – such as Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa (the emir of Qatar), who funds al-Jazeera, or Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed al-Nahyan, who owns the Abu Dhabi Media Investment Corporation, which is in bed with BSkyB over the launch of Arabia Sky News. Perhaps one of China's new billionaires may take a punt. Closer to home, the Daily Mail & General Trust might fancy adding two upmarket titles to its middle-market pairing. Again, a competition hurdle would have to be jumped.


So Murdoch's Libertarian, anti-communist, anti-muslim empire will most likely be bought up by Chinese, Russians and Saudis.

56 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:55:00am

re: #55 Killgore Trout

I'll bet Russia Today would love to buy Fox. They're already popular with wingnuts.

57 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:56:42am

London police chief resigns over ties to Brooks.

Your text to link...

58 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:57:03am

BREAKING: UK Fraud Watchdog Opens News International Probe |

Britain’s Channel 4 News is reporting that the UK’s Serious Fraud Office (SFO), the agency charged with investigating and prosecuting large and complex fraud cases, has begun a preliminary investigation into News International, the parent company of News Corp’s UK newspapers. The probe comes after Labor MP Tom Watson wrote a letter to the SFO, in which he called News Corps alleged payments to police a “gross misuse of shareholders’ money.”
59 jaunte  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:57:30am

re: #55 Killgore Trout

So Murdoch's Libertarian, anti-communist, anti-muslim empire will most likely be bought up by Chinese, Russians and Saudis.


The head-explosions will be deafening.

60 Amory Blaine  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:57:39am

re: #7 kirkspencer

There definitely is a suspicion out there that the arrest will shield her from providing meaningful testimony at an upcoming committee meeting.

61 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:58:29am

We are living in interesting times.

Although I talk to my 80 year old Aunt who says she lived through more. (the Watergate quilt she made while watching every single proceeding) et al.

62 KingKenrod  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:58:33am

re: #7 kirkspencer

Brooks was supposed to testify to a select committee of parliament Tuesday. I've seen speculation that "cannot speak due to an ongoing investigation" may apply. On the other hand there's an absolute prohibition that speech to Parliament cannot be used as a confession for trial, which in turn means that defense is severely weakened.

The police are wrapped up in this scandal...maybe arresting her to prevent her from talking to Parliament is exactly what they want?

63 Gus  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:59:02am

re: #56 Killgore Trout

I'll bet Russia Today would love to buy Fox. They're already popular with wingnuts.

Fox News will survive all of this as will News Corporation.

64 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:59:11am

OK, the cup is starting.

Watch Abby the Gator!

GO USA

65 mr.fusion  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 11:59:45am

re: #58 Killgore Trout

BREAKING: UK Fraud Watchdog Opens News International Probe |

You can't help but wonder what this means for NewsCorp here in the States......let's say ever American news outlet owned by NewsCorp is 100% clean. Let's suspend all disbelief and pretend that the individuals who came over here from News of the World etc just abandoned these practices when they crossed the Atlantic........at the very least this should be the end of all credibility for any NewsCorp owned property

66 Winny Spencer  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:00:20pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

I'll bet Russia Today would love to buy Fox. They're already popular with wingnuts.

Exactly what I was thinking. That would guarantee Judge Napolitano his own prime time show.

67 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:01:02pm

re: #64 Stanley Sea

OK, the cup is starting.

Watch Abby the Gator!

GO USA

Does anyone know the channel?

68 recusancy  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:01:37pm

re: #67 Stanley Sea

Does anyone know the channel?

espn

69 Peter Kaufman  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:01:38pm
“I think that there's no doubt about the seriousness of the problem we’ve got. We have a cancer within - close to the presidency, that’s growing. It’s growing daily. It’s compounding. It grows geometrically now, because it compounds itself.”

- John Dean, White House Counsel. The Oval Office. 3/21/73

Peter
Inklake

70 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:04:47pm

re: #68 recusancy

espn

tks

71 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:08:11pm

re: #65 mr.fusion

You can't help but wonder what this means for NewsCorp here in the States...let's say ever American news outlet owned by NewsCorp is 100% clean. Let's suspend all disbelief and pretend that the individuals who came over here from News of the World etc just abandoned these practices when they crossed the Atlantic...at the very least this should be the end of all credibility for any NewsCorp owned property

I think the real sticking issue is finacial. Even if there was no phone hacking here in the states the company is owned in the us. They were paying bribes and hush money in the UK. How did the American Accountants handle those payments? At the very least NewsCorp here in the USA if going to have legal issues over their accounting and probably international fraud and corruption charges.

72 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:08:14pm

re: #70 Stanley Sea

tks

0-0. 23rd minute.

73 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:09:26pm

Met police commissioner Stephenson resigned

74 Digital Display  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:09:44pm

re: #72 Kid A

0-0. 23rd minute.

Go USA!

75 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:10:58pm

New fox show suggestions
Bill OReilly's "Halal Zone"
Glenn Beck could return for a special "How I learned to stop worrying and love Sharia"

76 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:12:31pm

re: #75 Killgore Trout
LOL

77 jaunte  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:13:26pm

re: #75 Killgore Trout

"Foreign Corrupt Practices & Friends"

[Link: www.fcpaenforcement.com...]

78 Gus  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:14:15pm

re: #75 Killgore Trout

New fox show suggestions
Bill OReilly's "Halal Zone"
Glenn Beck could return for a special "How I learned to stop worrying and love Sharia"

Breaking News: Al Jazeera buys majority stake in Fox News USA.

//

79 mr.fusion  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:15:20pm

re: #71 Killgore Trout

I think the real sticking issue is finacial. Even if there was no phone hacking here in the states the company is owned in the us. They were paying bribes and hush money in the UK. How did the American Accountants handle those payments? At the very least NewsCorp here in the USA if going to have legal issues over their accounting and probably international fraud and corruption charges.

I still find it hard to believe that the same people involved in the hacking/bribery/who knows what else that took place in the UK just completely abandoned all of that when the came over here to run outlets like the WSJ.

Honestly, I don't know much about the executive hierarchy at FOXNews and if they have anybody working there that was involved in UK operations when all this was going on....but it seems like a lot of these people found their way over to the US operations.

That being said, the fact that Rupert is a US citizen and that NewsCorp is a US corporation could really screw FOXNews/WSJ/etc.

I just hope it doesn't affect The Simpsons or American Dad!

80 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:15:32pm

re: #78 Gus 802

Breaking News: Al Jazeera buys majority stake in Fox News USA.

//

They could replace the Fox News intro music with the call to prayer

81 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:16:24pm

re: #72 Kid A

0-0. 23rd minute.

just the sort of excitement I have come to expect from soccer, male or female...

82 Gus  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:16:29pm

re: #80 Killgore Trout

They could replace the Fox News intro music with the call to prayer

Exactly. And make it an all Arabic language cable channel...

Al Fox News!

//

83 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:17:45pm

Fair and Allah-enhanced

84 Gus  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:20:18pm

re: #81 ralphieboy

just the sort of excitement I have come to expect from soccer, male or female...

Soccer does lead to Communism, atheism, and homosexuality.

//Wingnut

//

85 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:21:31pm

I just found this item. [Link: www.politico.com...]

86 jaunte  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:21:33pm

Too bad most of the bribery was likely done before this July.

The Bribery Act 2010 (c.23) is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom that covers the criminal law relating to bribery. Introduced to Parliament in the Queen's Speech in 2009 after several decades of reports and draft bills, the Act received the Royal Assent on 8 April 2010 following cross-party support. Initially scheduled to enter into force in April 2010, this was changed to 1 July 2011.
...
The penalties for committing a crime under the Act are a maximum of 10 years' imprisonment, along with an unlimited fine, and the potential for the confiscation of property under the Proceeds of Crime Act 2002, as well as the disqualification of directors under the Company Directors Disqualification Act 1986. [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
87 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:21:42pm

I love how Americans say soccer is boring because of low scoring, but at the same time go wild when a pitcher has a no-hitter.

88 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:23:30pm

Glenn Beck's big rally in Jerusalem cancelled, moved to Mecca.
/

89 CarleeCork  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:23:50pm

The women reporters will all wear burkas.

90 recusancy  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:24:00pm

re: #87 SpaceJesus

I love how Americans say soccer is boring because of low scoring, but at the same time go wild when a pitcher has a no-hitter.

Or cars drive in circles for hours.

91 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:24:40pm

re: #87 SpaceJesus

I love how Americans say soccer is boring because of low scoring, but at the same time go wild when a pitcher has a no-hitter.

Hockey is also low scoring, but it can't be claimed it's boring, and a shut-out can be pants-peeing exciting.

92 jaunte  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:25:32pm

re: #91 b_sharp

Soccer on ice would be entertaining.

93 Gus  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:26:08pm

re: #87 SpaceJesus

I love how Americans say soccer is boring because of low scoring, but at the same time go wild when a pitcher has a no-hitter.

That fact never helped me one bit. I find both to be rather boring. But hey. Whatever floats peoples boats. American or otherwise.

94 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:27:11pm

re: #87 SpaceJesus

I love how Americans say soccer is boring because of low scoring, but at the same time go wild when a pitcher has a no-hitter.


I find those games dead boring as well.

95 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:27:47pm

Regardless, all of those sports involve teamwork and cooperation, and we all know that those concepts are the root of tranzi progressive Marxism.

96 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:27:48pm

re: #86 jaunte

Too bad most of the bribery was likely done before this July.

Just wait. I'm pretty sure Murdoch and company made every last effort to keep this from unraveling.

97 bratwurst  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:28:03pm

re: #81 ralphieboy

just the sort of excitement I have come to expect from soccer, male or female...

Ugh, thought you promised to limit your soccer bashing to once every four years.

98 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:28:20pm

re: #92 jaunte

Soccer on ice would be entertaining.

Played barefoot with a cannonball.

99 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:29:01pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

that's just a typical norwegian wedding

100 jaunte  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:29:29pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

Don't forget the caltrops.

101 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:29:50pm

re: #95 SpaceJesus

Regardless, all of those sports involve teamwork and cooperation, and we all know that those concepts are the root of tranzi progressive Marxism.


Soccer does let itself be interrupted every ten minutes for a commercial break, which means that it is only viable for state-run propaganda television.

102 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:30:13pm

re: #93 Gus 802

that's fine, but the majority of sports fans in the us think a no-hitter is something amazing and fantastic.

103 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:30:41pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

Played barefoot with a cannonball.

And the audience can throw lutefisk on the ice to show their displeasure.

104 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:30:55pm

re: #97 bratwurst

Ugh, thought you promised to limit your soccer bashing to once every four years.


I only bash world cup games, and if I criticize the male version, it is only fair that I grant equal snarkiness to the female side.

105 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:31:46pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

Played barefoot with a cannonball.

extreme curling...fill the stones with explosives and light the fuses before sliding them.

106 Kronocide  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:31:53pm

This game is pretty exciting.

Nothing like good pitching against a good hitting team, each at bat a new game of poker. Good pitchers make hitters swing at crappy pitches.

107 bratwurst  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:32:04pm

re: #104 ralphieboy

I only bash world cup games, and if I criticize the male version, it is only fair that I grant equal snarkiness to the female side.

Ok, but the men's is 3 years from now...so I am looking forward to 3 years of silence from you on this topic.

108 Funky_Gibbon  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:34:55pm

re: #41 BigPapa

Hopefully some semblance of integrity will be regained by the press.

I suspect this will end up engulfing a lot of the tabloid press, not just Murdoch's rags, but there are still the broadsheet newspapers out there that are good and have retained their integrity (so far) or increased it in the case of the Guardian.

109 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:35:04pm

Cool recording of an address by FDR on taxes

[Link: newstalgia.crooksandliars.com...]

110 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:38:09pm

re: #109 SpaceJesus

Cool recording of an address by FDR on taxes

[Link: newstalgia.crooksandliars.com...]

taxation is theft. government is evil. drown it in a bathtub

111 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:38:33pm

re: #109 SpaceJesus

"And on the other hand, there has been a small but powerful group which has fought the extension of these benefits because they did not want to pay a fair share of their cost. That was the lineup in seventeen hundred and seventy-six and it’s the lineup today. And I am confident that once more, in nineteen thirty-six democracy in taxation will win. Here is my principle, and I think it’s yours too; Taxes shall be levied according to ability to pay. That is the only American principle.”

113 Gus  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:39:53pm

World Federation Golf. Combination of pro-golf with professional wrestling.

/

114 Gus  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:41:24pm

Heh. Tax talk on a Sunday afternoon. Anyone see my gallon of moonshine around here?

115 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:42:06pm

re: #114 Gus 802

Heh. Tax talk on a Sunday afternoon. Anyone see my gallon of moonshine around here?

It's been passed around already.

116 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:42:34pm

Got your white lightning over here//

117 Gus  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:43:45pm

re: #116 PhillyPretzel

Got your white lightning over here//

Give me a couple of swigs and then we can head on over to the "I love the Internal Revenue Service bath house".

//

119 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:44:02pm

re: #110 ralphieboy

taxation is theft. government is evil. drown it in a bathtub

But not before looting it and giving all the spoils to your rich Republican friends.

120 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:44:37pm

JamesUrbaniak


Rebekah Brooks arrested, head of Scotland Yard resigns. Tomorrow on Fox & Friends: three hours of nervous laughter.

121 Lidane  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:46:47pm

re: #114 Gus 802

Heh. Tax talk on a Sunday afternoon. Anyone see my gallon of moonshine around here?

It's still more interesting than my boyfriend's latest habit-- watching all those reality shows about auctions.

There are the two guys who drive around in a bread truck going to storage auctions and getting all kinds of weapons and cool gear, the show about the different people who all gravitate among the same storage auctions and who snark at each other, the OTHER show that follows a group of people around to different storage auctions but is blatantly staged from top to bottom, and the one where an auction house is spotlighted, showing them getting stuff to sell from people then showing the auctions.

Give me a Deadliest Warrior marathon instead. At least then there's fake blood flying and weapons being fired.

122 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:48:14pm

re: #121 Lidane

It's still more interesting than my boyfriend's latest habit-- watching all those reality shows about auctions.

There are the two guys who drive around in a bread truck going to storage auctions and getting all kinds of weapons and cool gear, the show about the different people who all gravitate among the same storage auctions and who snark at each other, the OTHER show that follows a group of people around to different storage auctions but is blatantly staged from top to bottom, and the one where an auction house is spotlighted, showing them getting stuff to sell from people then showing the auctions.

Give me a Deadliest Warrior marathon instead. At least then there's fake blood flying and weapons being fired.

I watched yesterday a show about people who bid on abandoned storage units.

There was a story on NPR about these shows, I guess there's over 50 of them. It's all about the hope of winning in a bad economy.

123 Gus  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:50:28pm

re: #121 Lidane

It's still more interesting than my boyfriend's latest habit-- watching all those reality shows about auctions.

There are the two guys who drive around in a bread truck going to storage auctions and getting all kinds of weapons and cool gear, the show about the different people who all gravitate among the same storage auctions and who snark at each other, the OTHER show that follows a group of people around to different storage auctions but is blatantly staged from top to bottom, and the one where an auction house is spotlighted, showing them getting stuff to sell from people then showing the auctions.

Give me a Deadliest Warrior marathon instead. At least then there's fake blood flying and weapons being fired.

Ugh. I hate TV. I "killed my TV" about 5 years ago. Been watching a tiny bit over here -- someone else's TV and not mine. It's gotten worse over the year. Nothing but wall to wall garbage for the most part. Save for PBS and a few on the History Channel. Oh, and Turner Classics.

124 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:53:04pm

re: #87 SpaceJesus

I love how Americans say soccer is boring because of low scoring, but at the same time go wild when a pitcher has a no-hitter.

I don't give one crippled shit about sports in general, but if I did, I couldn't imagine caring even slightly about American sports, which are the most boring wastes of time imaginable.

America has only three sports: "football" (more accurately described as 'hand-egg'), baseball, and golf.

"Football" is of course the most popular. This is an elaborate excuse to wear tight pants and "tackle" other players. What happens at the bottom of the dogpile stays at the bottom of the dogpile, at least until the congressional hearings. Goochie-goochie goo!

Baseball represents a triumph in the ongoing battle against insomnia. Fathers from coast to coast drag their little snot-gurgling kid to SHUT UP and SIT DOWN in the stadium so that they can take in the full baseball experience. The pitcher throws a ball, the batter ALMOST TRIES TO HIT IT BUT THEN DECIDES NOT TO. The umpire screams, "BAWWWL ONE!" and then some guy wearing a satin jacket and aggressively chewing a mouthful of gum converses with the pitcher for the next 30 minutes. Rinse and repeat until your dad wakes you up because the game's over and it's time to go home. You'll cherish this memory forever, or for the next 15 minutes, whichever comes first.

Golf is too stupid to even comment upon, largely because I am feeling exceptionally lazy, so screw it.

125 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:55:27pm

re: #124 negativ

drinking beers and hitting a ball around with a metal stick on a nice day is pretty damn fun actually.

126 Alexzander  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:55:53pm

re: #124 negativ

I imagine your going to get a lot of shit for that post but I agree!

To further the flames, some real sports in my opinion: Winter biathleon (epic cross country skiing + shooting!), Rugby (obvious), Russian Roulette (high retirement rate due to sport related injuries).

127 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:55:55pm

re: #124 negativ


baseball is fine when enjoced in its natural setting, Wrigley Field being one of the best: a lazy summer afternoon with lots of grass and ivy-covered walls, beer and hot dogs brought to your seat and something to watch occasionally if you feel like it...

128 Gus  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:56:20pm

re: #124 negativ

I don't give one crippled shit about sports in general, but if I did, I couldn't imagine caring even slightly about American sports, which are the most boring wastes of time imaginable.

America has only three sports: "football" (more accurately described as 'hand-egg'), baseball, and golf.

"Football" is of course the most popular. This is an elaborate excuse to wear tight pants and "tackle" other players. What happens at the bottom of the dogpile stays at the bottom of the dogpile, at least until the congressional hearings. Goochie-goochie goo!

Baseball represents a triumph in the ongoing battle against insomnia. Fathers from coast to coast drag their little snot-gurgling kid to SHUT UP and SIT DOWN in the stadium so that they can take in the full baseball experience. The pitcher throws a ball, the batter ALMOST TRIES TO HIT IT BUT THEN DECIDES NOT TO. The umpire screams, "BAWWWL ONE!" and then some guy wearing a satin jacket and aggressively chewing a mouthful of gum converses with the pitcher for the next 30 minutes. Rinse and repeat until your dad wakes you up because the game's over and it's time to go home. You'll cherish this memory forever, or for the next 15 minutes, whichever comes first.

Golf is too stupid to even comment upon, largely because I am feeling exceptionally lazy, so screw it.

You mean golf which is very popular around the world and especially in Japan. Or baseball which is extremely popular in South and Central America including Caribbean nations?

129 The Yankee  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:57:07pm

Is Murdoch son accused of breaking any laws. I heard he was paying victims off but that isn't a crime.

130 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:57:19pm

re: #128 Gus 802

Or baseball which is extremely popular in South and Central America including Caribbean nations?

It's only popular there because they see it as a ticket to getting a job in the USA

/

131 Gus  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 12:59:10pm

re: #130 ralphieboy

It's only popular there because they see it as a ticket to getting a job in the USA

/

They've been commodified and co-opted by Big Baseball!

//

132 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:00:16pm

re: #129 The Yankee

Is Murdoch son accused of breaking any laws. I heard he was paying victims off but that isn't a crime.

Hacking is a crime. Paying off the victims of your hacking so they don't press charges doesn't erase the criminality, it just attempts to cover it up. Bribing police officers is also a crime.

133 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:01:45pm

re: #65 mr.fusion

You can't help but wonder what this means for NewsCorp here in the States...let's say ever American news outlet owned by NewsCorp is 100% clean. Let's suspend all disbelief and pretend that the individuals who came over here from News of the World etc just abandoned these practices when they crossed the Atlantic...at the very least this should be the end of all credibility for any NewsCorp owned property

I just want to know who they are extorting and bribing over here and to what extent the Saudis are involved.

134 jaunte  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:03:09pm

re: #129 The Yankee

Here is some background on the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, 2000.

Murdoch, whose position as Rupert Murdoch’s heir apparent has become increasingly tenuous with the unfolding of the phone hacking scandal, has admitted that he misled parliament over the phone hacking, although he said he did not have a complete picture at the time.

He has also confessed that he personally authorised out-of-court settlements, widely viewed as hush money to cover up the allegations of telephone hacking.

Tony Woodcock, a partner at the City law firm Stephenson Harwood, told The Guardian that section 79 of the 2000 Act enables criminal proceedings to be brought against an individual director of a company where an offence was committed with their "consent or connivance" or was "attributable to any neglect on their part". [Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

Criminal Liability of Directors:
[Link: www.legislation.gov.uk...]

135 The Yankee  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:03:16pm

re: #132 goddamnedfrank

Hacking is a crime. Paying off the victims of your hacking so they don't press charges doesn't erase the criminality, it just attempts to cover it up. Bribing police officers is also a crime.

Yea but is Murdoch's son directly involve. Paying victims off shows that he has some kind of knowledge about what was going on. I mean not every one employed by NewsCorp is guilty of a crime I am just trying to figure out who is at risk and who isn't.

136 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:03:21pm

re: #128 Gus 802

You mean golf which is very popular around the world and especially in Japan. Or baseball which is extremely popular in South and Central America including Caribbean nations?

Argumentum ad populum.

On LGF.

137 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:04:08pm

re: #135 The Yankee

Yea but is Murdoch's son directly involve. Paying victims off shows that he has some kind of knowledge about what was going on. I mean not every one employed by NewsCorp is guilty of a crime I am just trying to figure out who is at risk and who isn't.

Obstruction of justice is a crime.

138 The Yankee  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:04:57pm

re: #134 jaunte

Thanks that is what I was looking for.

139 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:05:33pm

re: #135 The Yankee

Yea but is Murdoch's son directly involve. Paying victims off shows that he has some kind of knowledge about what was going on. I mean not every one employed by NewsCorp is guilty of a crime I am just trying to figure out who is at risk and who isn't.


As if he were about to pay out large sums of money without having a massively overriding personal interest at stake.

140 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:05:41pm

re: #88 Killgore Trout

Glenn Beck's big rally in Jerusalem cancelled, moved to Mecca.
/

Please?

141 Gus  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:06:09pm

re: #136 negativ

Argumentum ad populum.

On LGF.

That doesn't apply with what I said. You made it sound like golf and baseball are uniquely American sports. And they're not. So basically because I point out that it's popular around the world that means I'm trying to say those are good sports. Which I'm not since I personally don't have an interest in them.

142 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:06:47pm

re: #126 Alexzander

I imagine your going to get a lot of shit for that post but I agree!

To further the flames, some real sports in my opinion: Winter biathleon (epic cross country skiing + shooting!), Rugby (obvious), Russian Roulette (high retirement rate due to sport related injuries).

College fencing instructor: "Do any of you play a sport?"

Student: "Golf"

Instructor (French, ex-St. Cyr): "Golf is a pastime, not a sport."

143 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:10:43pm

goal. happy now?

144 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:10:48pm

Gooooaaaaalll! 1-0 USA.

145 austin_blue  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:13:59pm

re: #144 Kid A

Goooaaalll! 1-0 USA.

By twenty year old Alex Morgan! Youngest player on the team and a second half sub.

146 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:14:12pm

re: #127 ralphieboy

baseball is fine when enjoced in its natural setting, Wrigley Field being one of the best: a lazy summer afternoon with lots of grass and ivy-covered walls, beer and hot dogs brought to your seat and something to watch occasionally if you feel like it...

Had to post this. George Carlin on football vs baseball. Probably his best bit, hands down.

147 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:15:23pm

ABBY!

BarackObama Barack Obama
So close! Brilliant strike by @AbbyWambach. #USWNT

148 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:17:08pm

Socialist oppressor eats foreign snacks while watching unAmerican sporting event
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

149 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:17:11pm

Anyone want three huge bags of really nice clothes?

I'm between consignment and a battered woman's shelter. Think I'll split it.

150 Kronocide  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:18:15pm

How can Obama watch TV at a time like this, when all this hacking is going on?

151 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:18:32pm

re: #148 Killgore Trout

LOL! Well done, KT!

152 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:19:52pm

re: #150 BigPapa

lol

153 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:20:01pm

re: #150 BigPapa

And there's no black players! Why does he care??!!

154 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:21:46pm

Damn it. 1-1.

155 jaunte  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:22:01pm

re: #150 BigPapa

Conservative tweeters aren't going to let him (or his staffer) get away with it!

iamkevski Kevin Holland
Why is @BarackObama keeping me updated on the soccer game? #gofixthebudget already...

MatthewZeidman Matthew Zeidman
Am I supposed to pretend the tweets about the game from @BarackObama are really coming from him and not a 25 year old staffer? #gimmeabreak

156 Kronocide  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:22:10pm

Looks like the First Family is eating... SALSA! ZOMGHISPANONAZIS!

157 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:22:28pm

Excellent hustle by Japan. Totally exploited that mistake by the US.

158 allegro  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:23:41pm

re: #118 Stanley Sea

Pete Souza's photo of the first family watching the cup

ZOMG! Are they munching on Doritos?! Hypocrites!

//(need I?)

159 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:24:13pm

re: #156 BigPapa

Looks like the First Family is eating... SALSA! ZOMGHISPANONAZIS!

PINK CHIPS??!!! COMMIES!!!
//

160 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:25:27pm

re: #158 allegro

ZOMG! Are they munching on Doritos?! Hypocrites!

//(need I?)

I thought they snacked on whole raw raccoons...

161 sagehen  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:25:55pm

re: #124 negativ

I don't give one crippled shit about sports in general, but if I did, I couldn't imagine caring even slightly about American sports, which are the most boring wastes of time imaginable.

America has only three sports: "football" (more accurately described as 'hand-egg'), baseball, and golf.


PSST!! ((basketball))

162 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:26:13pm

meh, that looks more like pico de gallo than real salsa


why is obama such a pansy??

163 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:28:25pm

re: #155 jaunte

Conservative tweeters aren't going to let him (or his staffer) get away with it!

heh

164 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:28:46pm

re: #162 SpaceJesus

If Obama was a Real American, he'd have a beer in his hand.

165 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:29:06pm

re: #162 SpaceJesus

meh, that looks more like pico de gallo than real salsa

why is obama such a pansy??

There's a beer mug behind Michelle. Getting drunk in the afternoon?

166 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:30:01pm

Hmm Michelle does not have any shoes on. And the same with her older daughter.

167 allegro  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:31:04pm

And paper cups. Why do they hate the environment?/

168 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:31:44pm

re: #166 PhillyPretzel

Hmm Michelle does not have any shoes on. And the same with her older daughter.

That's because they just got back from prayers at the local mosque....
[Link: www.daylife.com...]

169 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:32:00pm

re: #165 Killgore Trout


Obamas slam 40s while rooting against America's allies instead of going to church

170 Kronocide  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:32:28pm

re: #166 PhillyPretzel

Hmm Michelle does not have any shoes on. And the same with her older daughter.

Why not break out the damn hummus why doncha?

171 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:33:05pm

re: #169 SpaceJesus

Obamas slam 40s while rooting against America's allies instead of going to church

While smoking menthols and listening to Jay-Z.
//

172 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:33:49pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

That's because they just got back from prayers at the local mosque...
[Link: www.daylife.com...]

Exploting Jesus for political gain!

173 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:33:51pm

re: #171 Kid A

While smoking menthols and listening to Jay-Z.
//

In the Hizzy.
/

174 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:35:22pm

LOL you guys

175 allegro  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:35:29pm

Damn, now I want Doritos and beer.

176 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:36:01pm

re: #174 Stanley Sea

LOL you guys

Everybody took their funny pills this morning.

177 Alexzander  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:36:18pm

re: #171 Kid A

While smoking menthols and listening to Jay-Z.
//

I got 99 problems but OBL aint one!

The debt certainly is though.

178 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:36:25pm

re: #176 Killgore Trout

Everybody took their funny pills this morning.

Sunday Funday!!!

179 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:36:25pm

Tropical Depression has just formed in the Bahamas. Will probably become TS Bret soon.

180 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:36:49pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

That's because they just got back from prayers at the local mosque...
[Link: www.daylife.com...]

Gosh, Malia is growing up so fast. She's going to be a stunner.

181 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:37:05pm

re: #160 ralphieboy

I thought they snacked on whole raw raccoons...

No, too redneck and therefore authentically American. The Obamas eat babies. And arugula salad.

182 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:37:13pm

re: #179 ProLifeLiberal

Tropical Depression has just formed in the Bahamas. Will probably become TS Bret soon.

Moving which way?

183 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:37:14pm

re: #176 Killgore Trout
Yes I took mine. It has not helped I still feel lousy.

184 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:38:03pm

re: #166 PhillyPretzel

Hmm Michelle does not have any shoes on. And the same with her older daughter.

Malia's going to be tall.

185 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:38:52pm

re: #182 Cannadian Club Akbar

It is moving to the south at 2 mph, but is expected to be turned out to sea.

186 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:39:13pm

re: #180 CuriousLurker

Gosh, Malia is growing up so fast. She's going to be a stunner.

She really is.

187 jaunte  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:40:06pm

re: #182 Cannadian Club Akbar

South at 2 knots:
[Link: www.nhc.noaa.gov...]

188 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:42:20pm

re: #187 jaunte

Models show that, aside from the Bahamas, no landmass will be hit by TD2.

189 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:44:55pm

re: #181 SanFranciscoZionist

No, too redneck and therefore authentically American. The Obamas eat babies. And arugula salad.


With Dijon mustard

190 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:45:54pm

re: #189 ralphieboy

With Dijon mustard

And gherkins.

191 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:46:24pm

re: #189 ralphieboy

With Dijon mustard

Grey Poupon. Very un-Real American.
//

192 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:46:32pm

re: #188 ProLifeLiberal

Models show that, aside from the Bahamas, no landmass will be hit by TD2.

Yet further proof that God smiles upon America!

193 Alexzander  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:46:53pm

re: #190 SanFranciscoZionist

And gherkins.

And arugula.

194 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:48:00pm

re: #193 Alexzander

And arugula.

Chardonnay while watching ball games.

195 jaunte  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:48:29pm

I turned on the World Cup game, just in time to hear the announcer filling some slack time with this nicely circular phrase:

"...the US has got to go to the well one more time, and just hope that when they go to the well, they won't find it dry..."
196 Alexzander  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:48:38pm

re: #194 Kid A

Chardonnay while watching ball games.

Did he actually do that?

197 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:49:06pm

re: #181 SanFranciscoZionist

No, too redneck and therefore authentically American. The Obamas eat babies. And arugula salad.

And ash on the host's carpet, and prop their feet on the coffee table!

198 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:49:19pm

re: #195 jaunte

I turned on the World Cup game, just in time to hear the announcer filling some slack time with this nicely circular phrase:

Isn't a dry well pretty much just a hole?

199 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:49:33pm

re: #196 Alexzander

Did he actually do that?

No, I was kidding.

200 Alexzander  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:49:56pm

re: #195 jaunte

"The US team has to score more goals than the other team to win, or they will lose."

201 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:50:06pm

re: #199 Kid A

No, I was kidding.

// next time, my bad.

202 jaunte  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:50:12pm

re: #198 Cannadian Club Akbar

...They should then be prepared to look for other wells, with not such a deficiency in what you go to the well for...

203 Alexzander  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:50:48pm

re: #199 Kid A

No, I was kidding.

Just checking - I think that would have actually caused a huge head explosion for republicans.

204 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:51:17pm

re: #200 Alexzander

"The US team has to score more goals than the other team to win, or they will lose."

Reporter: "So Coach, what adjustments will you make at halftime?"
Coach: "Stop the other team from scoring more than us."

205 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:52:03pm

GOAL!!

206 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:52:05pm

2-1, USA!!!

207 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:52:23pm

Wambach with the header. 2-1!

208 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:52:41pm

No golden goal, I forgot. Still have about three-four minutes.

209 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:52:47pm

*leans in* So, what's all the fuss about?

210 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:53:18pm

FUCKING A

211 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:53:41pm

TheBullGator The Bull Gator

World Cup MVP = Abby's head.

212 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:54:07pm

Woop.

213 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:54:22pm

ESPN female commentator on Abby: "That golden dome of hers!"

WTF??!!

214 Kronocide  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:54:36pm

What will Obama's intern tweet next?

215 austin_blue  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:55:15pm

Wambach! Alex Morgan, assist.

216 Kronocide  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:55:30pm

All this talk is going to go to her head.

217 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:55:44pm

re: #214 BigPapa

What will Obama's intern tweet next?

"Bachmann for President!"

218 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:56:09pm

"They will be keeping one eye on the clock".
Which one has the glass eye to put on it?

219 austin_blue  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:56:17pm

re: #213 Kid A

ESPN female commentator on Abby: "That golden dome of hers!"

WTF??!!

Top scorer in the tournament gets the Golden Boot. Take-off on her head being the scoring machine.

220 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:56:27pm

re: #214 BigPapa

What will Obama's intern tweet next?

How Obama is undermining America by destroying the financial markets and taking us down the ruinous path of health-care-for-all while watching soccer with his Marxist wife who's training her kids to be man-hating lesbians.
///

221 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:56:40pm

re: #214 BigPapa
Emergency. We ran out of arugula. //

222 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:59:36pm

re: #221 PhillyPretzel

Emergency. We ran out of arugula. //

And fortys.
///

223 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 1:59:39pm

TheBullGator The Bull Gator

RT @edsbs: ABBY WAMBACH'S HEAD IS AN ANVIL MADE OF FREEDOM

224 jaunte  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:00:07pm

ESPN male commentator:
"...the US was momentarily at sixes and sevens..."

US audience: ???

225 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:00:12pm

re: #223 Stanley Sea

TheBullGator The Bull Gator

RT @edsbs: ABBY WAMBACH'S HEAD IS AN ANVIL MADE OF FREEDOM

LOL

226 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:00:57pm

re: #224 jaunte

ESPN male commentator:
"...the US was momentarily at sixes and sevens..."

US audience: ???

"Does Japan roll the dice, as they must do?"

227 Alexzander  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:01:10pm

An unusually civil conversation on the Flotilla:

Cornell West, who supported the flotilla and recently spoke to Alice Walker about the subject, discusses the topic with a critique of his position on his radioshow:

[Link: smileyandwest.ning.com...]

If only more of our conversation could be so open.

228 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:01:37pm

re: #224 jaunte

ESPN male commentator:
"...the US was momentarily at sixes and sevens..."

US audience: ???

a quaint anglicism indicating that one is rather confused

229 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:03:41pm

re: #228 ralphieboy

a quaint anglicism indicating that one is rather confused

Robert wasn't quite at his best with this one

230 Kronocide  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:04:23pm

Pamz: 'Muslim verbally abuses old woman on train. This is Sharia.'

231 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:04:29pm

Heh.

232 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:05:55pm

Memo to Christine Brennan at USA Today: If the women win, it will NOT inspire girls to become president one day like you wrote in 1999. I promise.

233 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:06:02pm

bleh

234 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:06:06pm

D'oh!

235 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:06:08pm

Wow.

236 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:06:29pm

What a game.

237 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:07:03pm

re: #229 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Robert wasn't quite at his best with this one

[Video]


I am familiar with it from this 'Stones song:

238 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:10:00pm

OH FUCK THAT

239 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:10:21pm

RED CARD!

240 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:10:27pm

damn right

241 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:10:28pm

RED CARD!! I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS!!!

242 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:10:56pm

re: #241 Cannadian Club Akbar

RED CARD!! I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS!!!

The player is ejected, and will miss her next FIFA-sponsored match.

243 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:11:01pm

re: #241 Cannadian Club Akbar

Someone was being a jackass, and tripped someone one.

244 Alexzander  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:11:15pm
245 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:11:42pm

re: #244 Alexzander

STOP THE PRESSES:

BBC: London Police Chief Resigns Amid Hacking Scandal

I posted a page about that a few hours ago.

246 Alexzander  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:11:46pm

re: #242 Kid A

The player is ejected, and will miss her next FIFA-sponsored match.

It also means that the team plays down one player.

247 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:12:27pm

re: #246 Alexzander

It also means that the team plays down one player.

You beat me to it.

248 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:14:05pm

Alright, Hope Solo. You've been talking a lot of shit for years. Time to step your game up and back it up.

249 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:14:50pm

re: #241 Cannadian Club Akbar

RED CARD!! I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS!!!

there is a really bad joke lurking in there involving feminine hygiene products, but I will not go there...

250 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:15:19pm

re: #249 ralphieboy

there is a really bad joke lurking in there involving feminine hygiene products, but I will not go there...

It's teed up quite nicely for you. Have a swing at it, lol.

251 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:15:50pm

re: #249 ralphieboy

and of course someone takes advantage of it./

252 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:16:23pm

re: #250 Kid A

It's teed up quite nicely for you. Have a swing at it, lol.

Sit on it.

253 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:16:52pm

denied

254 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:16:54pm

Nice save

255 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:17:09pm

Damn, off her foot!

256 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:17:37pm

sheesh

257 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:17:48pm

Oh my god, that was pathetic, Solo!!!

258 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:18:12pm

nope

259 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:18:20pm

Field goal!!!

260 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:18:43pm

C'mon, Hope!

261 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:19:01pm

Saved

262 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:19:05pm

cool

263 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:19:23pm

nerve wracking

264 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:19:27pm

denied

265 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:19:37pm

Shit.

266 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:19:54pm

re: #263 Stanley Sea

nerve wracking

Drink!!

267 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:20:13pm

fuck

268 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:20:22pm

re: #266 Cannadian Club Akbar

Drink!!

done

269 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:20:37pm

k

270 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:20:57pm

Still alive. Must save two and score one.

271 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:21:34pm

over

272 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:21:40pm

Done.

273 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:21:54pm

Great match.

274 Kronocide  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:22:42pm

Soccer? Exciting?

275 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:23:08pm

Damn. But at least it's Japan. They kinda need this boost.

276 Kronocide  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:24:23pm

Japan was immensely resilient. Exciting game. I am happy they won, they need a shot in the arm.

277 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:24:41pm

re: #274 BigPapa

Soccer? Exciting?

We had to calm down from watching golf.

278 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:26:39pm

re: #277 Cannadian Club Akbar

We had to calm down from watching golf.

Yeah, watching grass grow is awe-inspiring.

/

279 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:28:14pm

They should ban reporters from asking questions of the losing coach. What the hell kind of responses are you going to expect from your idiotic questions? "How did it slip away?" Dumb ass.

280 Lidane  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:28:38pm

I'm not versed in British law at all, but this is getting worse for Murdoch:

[Link: www.channel4.com...]

281 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:30:33pm

re: #280 Lidane

I'm not versed in British law at all, but this is getting worse for Murdoch:

[Link: www.channel4.com...]

Where there's smoke...

282 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:30:43pm

TheMuslimGuy Arsalan Iftikhar

We just got Fukushima'd in penalty kicks...Although you feel good for Japan since they have had such a devastating year...Ichiban :)

283 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:31:10pm

re: #280 Lidane
That would explain why my page on the WSJ sale is getting so many hits.

284 Jaerik  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:31:16pm

Nicely done, Japan. Not big on sports, less on soccer, even less on women's. (Sorry.) But that game was epic to watch.

As for Murdoch, this scandal will not bring down Fox News in the US. I would bet a substantial amount of money on it. Ailes is too smart and the network has too much cover from a major political party. As David Frum recently said... the GOP used to think Fox worked for them, and has discovered it's the other way around.

There is a chance, however, that it will unseat Murdoch from News Corp. He only owns like 37% of the stock, and has managed to hold control only through force of personality and will alone. His shareholders are furious and there are others who are eligible to step up. There's also been a lot of complaints within the company brass about Murdoch trying to place his own family in positions of power to replace him, and this would be a good opportunity for them to rebuff that.

If the Murdoch family loses their hold on News Corp, it won't mean the immediate end by any stretch, but it could mean a weakening of the ideological hyper-partisan purity that characterizes Murdoch's news outlets. That is, unless the new faceless corporation decides that's still the best way to make money.

285 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:32:25pm

MakenaCahill Makena Cahill
by MiltonValencia

I'm never eating sushi again. Ok, that's not true. But seriously... bummer. #USA

286 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:34:03pm

re: #284 Jaerik

Nicely done, Japan. Not big on sports, less on soccer, even less on women's. (Sorry.) But that game was epic to watch.

As for Murdoch, this scandal will not bring down Fox News in the US. I would bet a substantial amount of money on it. Ailes is too smart and the network has too much cover from a major political party. As David Frum recently said... the GOP used to think Fox worked for them, and has discovered it's the other way around.

There is a chance, however, that it will unseat Murdoch from News Corp. He only owns like 37% of the stock, and has managed to hold control only through force of personality and will alone. His shareholders are furious and there are others who are eligible to step up. There's also been a lot of complaints within the company brass about Murdoch trying to place his own family in positions of power to replace him, and this would be a good opportunity for them to rebuff that.

If the Murdoch family loses their hold on News Corp, it won't mean the immediate end by any stretch, but it could mean a weakening of the ideological hyper-partisan purity that characterizes Murdoch's news outlets. That is, unless the new faceless corporation decides that's still the best way to make money.

Yeah, reading Lidane's link, this is beginning to take on shades more and more of a turf war within the walls of News Corp. That some are looking on this course of events as an opportunity to break Murdoch's hold and possibly depose him.

287 Kronocide  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:34:34pm

Exciting game. Sad for the US Women, they did play good but missed early opportunities. After watching a pudgy 42 yr old win the British Open this AM, I gotta say it's time for the driving range.

288 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:35:35pm

re: #280 Lidane

I'm not versed in British law at all, but this is getting worse for Murdoch:

[Link: www.channel4.com...]


From the link...

If the Serious Fraud Office launches a full investigation about misuse of shareholders' money as suggested by Tom Watson MP, this will play into the hands of some News Corp shareholders angry about the power of the Murdochs.

The SFO might also become the agent of any US based inquiries by the likes of the Department of Justice.


US stockholders are already suing in court. Since Rupert holds enough shares it's their only recourse. With all the bad news this weekend I suspect a lot of folks have already placed orders to sell their shares as soon as the market opens in the morning. I would guess the stock price is going to nosedive.

289 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:37:48pm

wow..the demise of the Murdock empire...it's gonna be a rat fest, save your ass time

290 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:39:11pm

for Rupe...
Petty

291 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:42:13pm
292 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:45:57pm

re: #291 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

[Video]

"he owned MY SPACE!"

293 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:46:41pm

Breaking News: Murdoch announces plans to sell off the Republican Party to pay for legal expenses. Palin sold separately.
/

294 sagehen  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:47:05pm

re: #284 Jaerik

Nicely done, Japan. Not big on sports, less on soccer, even less on women's. (Sorry.) But that game was epic to watch.

As for Murdoch, this scandal will not bring down Fox News in the US. I would bet a substantial amount of money on it. Ailes is too smart and the network has too much cover from a major political party. As David Frum recently said... the GOP used to think Fox worked for them, and has discovered it's the other way around.

I dunno... what if it turns out there was something fishy about how they got the bill passed to repeat consolidation rules? This episode is in fact a perfect example of why the consolidation rules existed to begin with...

295 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:47:29pm

re: #293 Killgore Trout

Breaking News: Murdoch announces plans to sell off the Republican Party to pay for legal expenses. Palin sold separately.
/

Speaker Boehner reported to be distraught, brought to tears.

/

296 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:47:39pm

re: #293 Killgore Trout

Breaking News: Murdoch announces plans to sell off the Republican Party to pay for legal expenses. Palin sold separately.
/

lmao!

297 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:48:41pm

re: #293 Killgore Trout

Breaking News: Murdoch announces plans to sell off the Republican Party to pay for legal expenses. Palin sold separately.
/

reduced for quick sale...best offer

298 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:48:43pm

re: #293 Killgore Trout
LOL.

299 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:49:20pm

So why didn't they just skip the first boring 90 minutes and get right to the penalty shots? That part is dead interesting, and you could wrap up the whole World Cup in an afternoon and leave more time for drinking ...

300 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:50:09pm

re: #293 Killgore Trout

Breaking News: Murdoch announces plans to sell off the Republican Party to pay for legal expenses. Palin sold separately.
/

Palin's batteries not included.

301 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:50:12pm

re: #299 ralphieboy

So why didn't they just skip the first boring 90 minutes and get right to the penalty shots? That part is dead interesting, and you could wrap up the whole World Cup in an afternoon and leave more time for drinking ...

soccer fans are clueless that's why

302 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:52:15pm

Rupes in freefall....landing, undetermined at this point

303 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:52:28pm

re: #301 albusteve

soccer fans are clueless that's why


I was sick at home with tonsilitis for the 1990 World Cup and decided it wouled be a good opportunity to try and gain some sort of appreciation for the game. After a week of being bored to death but too ill to do anythine else but watch TV, I decided to abandon any further attempts.

304 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:53:33pm

Here's another episode in why I don't get along with my family.

My TV (a Samsung Syncmaster T220HD) has stopped recognizing the cable input,, meaning I can't watch TV. Mom has decided that it is because I play video games, and blames me for the TV breaking. Never mind the two inputs are completely separate, and in no way affect each other, other than I am able to flip through them by the input button on the remote.

Combined with my dad's near racism, and the bullying I take from my father and sister (along the lines of not having friends, and social ineptitude from having Asperger's), and they wonder why I want to be with my friends rather than them.

If any of you can help with my tech issue, that would be fantastic. Samsung site is much less than helpful.

305 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:54:24pm
306 Jaerik  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:54:27pm

re: #294 sagehen

I dunno... what if it turns out there was something fishy about how they got the bill passed to repeat consolidation rules? This episode is in fact a perfect example of why the consolidation rules existed to begin with...

I just don't see the story having the momentum necessary to carry it into a US political investigation, especially given the GOP will just sit on their thumbs.

Unless we get some real hard evidence of bribery among the NYPD and 9/11 victim hacking, (which there's only hints of at the moment), there just isn't gunna be enough public outcry from all sides to carry it across the pond.

307 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:56:51pm

re: #306 Jaerik

I just don't see the story having the momentum necessary to carry it into a US political investigation, especially given the GOP will just sit on their thumbs.

Unless we get some real hard evidence of bribery among the NYPD and 9/11 victim hacking, (which there's only hints of at the moment), there just isn't gunna be enough public outcry from all sides to carry it across the pond.

the shitstorm has barely touched down....just wait

308 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:57:55pm

re: #305 Slumbering Behemoth

Dr. Tyson, bringing down the logic hammer.

Neil Tyson talks about UFOs and the argument from ignorance.

[Video]

THAT, is brilliant.

309 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:58:58pm

re: #304 ProLifeLiberal

Mom has decided that it is because I play video games, and blames me for the TV breaking.

Heh. Way back in the day, my mom thought the same thing of my atari. She was certain that it broke the tv. Having the tv repair man tell her that that was a ridiculous notion did nothing to dissuade her from such superstitious beliefs.

310 Jaerik  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:59:23pm

re: #308 Stanley Sea

THAT, is brilliant.

If you like that, I highly suggest Demon-Haunted World by Carl Sagan.

One of his final, brilliant screeds against ignorance and an appeal to greater scientific literacy. Very much in the same vein.

311 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 2:59:57pm

re: #308 Stanley Sea

Smart and funny. If I was a woman, or gay, I would be all over him.

312 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:00:49pm

re: #310 Jaerik

If you like that, I highly suggest Demon-Haunted World by Carl Sagan.

One of his final, brilliant screeds against ignorance and an appeal to greater scientific literacy. Very much in the same vein.

I remember his quote, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

313 allegro  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:01:43pm

re: #305 Slumbering Behemoth

Dr. Tyson, bringing down the logic hammer.

Neil Tyson talks about UFOs and the argument from ignorance.

[Video]

Wow, I can't believe how much Dr. Tyson reminds me of my ex-boyfriend. Makes me wonder why I broke up with him. He's so adorable.

314 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:02:44pm

re: #310 Jaerik

If you like that, I highly suggest Demon-Haunted World by Carl Sagan.

One of his final, brilliant screeds against ignorance and an appeal to greater scientific literacy. Very much in the same vein.

I watch Super Bowl reruns instead...not too concerned about demon haunted worlds

315 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:03:36pm

re: #299 ralphieboy

If a country ever needed something to cheer about? It is Japan.

Wanted our ladies to win, but smiled as the last goal took place.

And, no. I don't hate America.
/

316 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:04:24pm

"I've got this thing, the iPhone, that if I pulled it out 10 years ago they would have resurrected the witch burning!"

LOL, he is awesome.

317 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:05:30pm

re: #309 Slumbering Behemoth

Thanks for this. I show this little story you have. I'm getting real tired of the family deciding anything that goes wrong is my fault somehow.

318 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:06:59pm

raw almonds are addicting...beware

319 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:07:31pm

re: #311 Slumbering Behemoth

SB, thanks for posting that. That was the best thing I've seen in awhile. I see Dr. Tyson on PBS occasionally, but these talks must be watched.

320 allegro  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:09:36pm

Damn, now I want Doritos, beer, AND my ex-boyfriend. This has not been a good day for cravings.

321 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:09:46pm

re: #318 albusteve

raw almonds are addicting...beware

Try some plain yoghurt with honey to go with them. It's my favorite snack,

322 William of Orange  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:10:26pm

I don't know about you but I think this whole affair is starting to look like a Rube Goldberg Machine.....


.....which is the perfect opportunity to post another one. :)

Have fun watching that one.

323 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:10:50pm

re: #320 allegro

Damn, now I want Doritos, beer, AND my ex-boyfriend. This has not been a good day for cravings.

LOL

324 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:10:52pm

re: #317 ProLifeLiberal

Thanks for this. I show this little story you have. I'm getting real tired of the family deciding anything that goes wrong is my fault somehow.

Yeah, I don't know what the deal is. Maybe it's just that video games are a foreign concept to some people, and therefor must be responsible for unrelated, negative effects.

My mom laughs about it now, but she really did once believe that the atari box would wreck the tv.

Say, do y'all have a VCR or DVD player plugged into the tv? If you wanted to mess with your folks, you could try blaming those devices. Makes as much sense.

325 William of Orange  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:13:11pm

re: #9 William of Orange

I still think the real mess is not above the surface. When things really go down in the USA part of the Murdoch empire, I think fireworks will go off. It's time to start some data mining in the offices of the Murdochs before more damaging information vanishes.

Damn! Where's Wikileaks when you need them??

326 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:13:47pm

re: #319 Stanley Sea

SB, thanks for posting that. That was the best thing I've seen in awhile. I see Dr. Tyson on PBS occasionally, but these talks must be watched.

He's on NOVA ScienceNOW, I believe. I never seem to catch it. I've just about written regular NOVA off, after that woo-woo-esque episode they did on the meaning of dreams. Sponsored by David H. Koch.

327 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:13:58pm

Neil Tyson - "Children do not read horoscopes!"

328 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:14:19pm

re: #324 Slumbering Behemoth

Nope. Just a DirectTV box and an XBOX 360. The XBOX 360 is working fine. The DirectTV box turns on, but the TV says the signal is weak or not there at all.

The Samsung Site is spectacular in its unhelpfulness.

329 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:16:05pm

re: #327 Stanley Sea

Neil Tyson - "Children do not read horoscopes!"

[Video]

I was just gonna link that one under "Why Dr. Tyson is optimistic about science in the US".

330 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:16:44pm

re: #328 ProLifeLiberal

Nope. Just a DirectTV box and an XBOX 360. The XBOX 360 is working fine. The DirectTV box turns on, but the TV says the signal is weak or not there at all.

The Samsung Site is spectacular in its unhelpfulness.

Uhhh. Are you sure the TV isn't right? Has the cable provider checked the delivered signal>

331 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:17:17pm

re: #328 ProLifeLiberal

Perhaps the dish is out of alignment? Is it raining? Water can interfere with the microwave transmissions.

332 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:18:24pm

re: #309 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh. Way back in the day, my mom thought the same thing of my atari. She was certain that it broke the tv. Having the tv repair man tell her that that was a ridiculous notion did nothing to dissuade her from such superstitious beliefs.

A weird thing happened last night. Teh Intertubz was down! I called up Comcast and said, "what happened to my Intertubz?" The Comcast call center operator told me to unplug the blue cable from the cable modem to the router, and swap the ends. So I did and voila! Teh Intertubz iz back again!

Now I want to know, how did the blue cable get all backwards and how did Comcast know about it?

333 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:18:28pm

re: #329 Slumbering Behemoth

I was just gonna link that one under "Why Dr. Tyson is optimistic about science in the US".

I'm watching the one "Neil DeGrasse Tyson - Greatest Sermon Ever"

Just at the beginning when he talks about his "calling"

334 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:19:03pm

re: #331 Slumbering Behemoth

Perhaps the dish is out of alignment? Is it raining? Water can interfere with the microwave transmissions.

re: #330 Decatur Deb


OOPS-- Direct TV, OK has the dish installer been contacted?

335 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:19:51pm

re: #332 Alouette

A weird thing happened last night. Teh Intertubz was down! I called up Comcast and said, "what happened to my Intertubz?" The Comcast call center operator told me to unplug the blue cable from the cable modem to the router, and swap the ends. So I did and voila! Teh Intertubz iz back again!

Now I want to know, how did the blue cable get all backwards and how did Comcast know about it?

When in doubt, blame your husband. Then you can feel righteous for forgiving him.

(Kidding. Mostly.)

336 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:20:41pm

re: #332 Alouette

A weird thing happened last night. Teh Intertubz was down! I called up Comcast and said, "what happened to my Intertubz?" The Comcast call center operator told me to unplug the blue cable from the cable modem to the router, and swap the ends. So I did and voila! Teh Intertubz iz back again!

Now I want to know, how did the blue cable get all backwards and how did Comcast know about it?

My guess--they just wanted it disconnected for a few seconds. About as long as it takes to switch ends.

337 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:21:08pm

re: #330 Decatur Deb

Samsung describes it as a Computer Monitor that can be used as a TV.

It's a T220HD. Looking on the Samsung site, it appears alot of people use this thing as a TV instead of a monitor. I have a Cable input, a weird input, and 2 HDMI inputs.

It has worked before. Just started acting up today. And the weird thing is, everyone else's receiver works.

338 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:21:40pm

re: #328 ProLifeLiberal

Nope. Just a DirectTV box and an XBOX 360. The XBOX 360 is working fine. The DirectTV box turns on, but the TV says the signal is weak or not there at all.

The Samsung Site is spectacular in its unhelpfulness.

Maybe it's the DirecTV box.

339 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:24:48pm

If the HDMI ports are working, but the cable connection isn't, why are you assuming the port is the problem and not the system plugged into the cable port?

340 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:25:40pm

Also, I have to say, I would have loved to have won, but the Japanese have had a bad year, and I hope they are celebrating nationally right now.

341 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:28:57pm

re: #339 b_sharp

I'm beginning to think the same. It says "Weak or No Signal." I can still play the XBOX 360.

Which makes the whole thing look really stupid on my family's part. Though the box still turns on. Which makes the whole thing weird. DirectTv gets a call tomorrow. And I confront my mom about being scapegoat when she gets back from errands.

342 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:30:39pm

re: #341 ProLifeLiberal

I'm beginning to think the same. It says "Weak or No Signal." I can still play the XBOX 360.

Which makes the whole thing look really stupid on my family's part. Though the box still turns on. Which makes the whole thing weird. DirectTv gets a call tomorrow. And I confront my mom about being scapegoat when she gets back from errands.

Do you have anything there like a DVD player that uses a cable rather than an HDMI/DVI port that you can test the port with?

343 allegro  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:34:01pm

re: #341 ProLifeLiberal

I'm beginning to think the same. It says "Weak or No Signal." I can still play the XBOX 360.

Which makes the whole thing look really stupid on my family's part. Though the box still turns on. Which makes the whole thing weird. DirectTv gets a call tomorrow. And I confront my mom about being scapegoat when she gets back from errands.

Can you borrow a box from another TV to try it? If it works, then the problem is your box, if it doesn't, then at least you have ruled that out.

344 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:34:06pm

re: #342 b_sharp

No. And now I am being blamed for my sister's DirectTV box having an issue picking up a signal.

345 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:34:20pm

re: #304 ProLifeLiberal

Combined with my dad's near racism, and the bullying I take from my father and sister (along the lines of not having friends, and social ineptitude from having Asperger's), and they wonder why I want to be with my friends rather than them.

Ugh, I know exactly what you mean. Sometimes I get the q. how did somebody like YOU end up at Fundagelical U. (where I went right out of high school.) Answwer: easy, a place like Fundagelical U. was an escape. People who have not been in that situation have no idea what that means.

Some day, social-repressives will learn: social-repressive families make for liberal offspring.

346 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:35:38pm

re: #341 ProLifeLiberal

I'm beginning to think the same. It says "Weak or No Signal." I can still play the XBOX 360.

Which makes the whole thing look really stupid on my family's part. Though the box still turns on. Which makes the whole thing weird. DirectTv gets a call tomorrow. And I confront my mom about being scapegoat when she gets back from errands.

Do you have another device with a co-axial cable output to test the TV with, like a DVD player or old VCR?

347 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:35:40pm

re: #344 ProLifeLiberal

No. And now I am being blamed for my sister's DirectTV box having an issue picking up a signal.

Your sister has a separate DirectTV box that isn't working well?

348 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:37:43pm

re: #345 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Some day, social-repressives will learn: social-repressive families make for liberal offspring.

And/or serial killers, drug addicts, rock stars...

349 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:39:03pm

re: #344 ProLifeLiberal

No. And now I am being blamed for my sister's DirectTV box having an issue picking up a signal.

Two boxes? Have you had a windstorm?

350 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:39:17pm

re: #348 Slumbering Behemoth

And/or serial killers, drug addicts, rock stars...

But you repeat yourself.

/

351 allegro  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:39:53pm

re: #333 Stanley Sea

I'm watching the one "Neil DeGrasse Tyson - Greatest Sermon Ever"

[Video]Just at the beginning when he talks about his "calling"

I can so identify with his story. Mine started with such an inspiration when I was about 4 and when in my play with my dog, I put my head on his little chest and listened to his heart thumping, his breath going in and out, and his guts squishing and churning. I thought "hey! we're the same! we've got all the same parts!" I went and told my mom about my amazing discovery and she told me I was wrong and that I would understand when I got older how humans and animals are not the same.

I knew I wasn't wrong. Got a PhD and spent my career as a wildlife biologist to prove how wrong I wasn't. Evolution is cool.

352 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:41:55pm

re: #350 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

But you repeat yourself.

/

It's a requirement. Have you ever listened to the music of a rock star that never used drugs? Crap. Think "Ted Nugent". I rest my case.

353 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:44:14pm

re: #348 Slumbering Behemoth

And/or serial killers, drug addicts, rock stars...

Although the goal is churning out more dumb bigots. Doesn't always work that way, too bad for the bigots.

354 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:45:02pm

re: #351 allegro

I went and told my mom about my amazing discovery and she told me I was wrong and that I would understand when I got older how humans and animals are not the same.

I like to refer to us humans as mammals around my fundie relatives. They can't say that's wrong, but it still makes them a little uncomfortable.

355 allegro  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:46:19pm

re: #354 Slumbering Behemoth

I like to refer to us humans as mammals around my fundie relatives. They can't say that's wrong, but it still makes them a little uncomfortable.

Keep it up! In time maybe the understanding that we're part of the animal kingdom will finally take.

356 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:46:34pm

re: #353 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Although the goal is churning out more dumb bigots. Doesn't always work that way, too bad for the bigots.

No smart bigots? There must be one out there, somewhere./

357 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:47:16pm

re: #356 Slumbering Behemoth

No smart bigots? There must be one out there, somewhere./

Stupid monkeys.

358 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:47:24pm

re: #355 allegro

Keep it up! In time maybe the understanding that we're part of the animal kingdom will finally take.

Nah. Not with folk who think there is only one book worth reading.

359 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:47:25pm

Regarding Murdoch, a Mensa over at Gateway Douche had this to say:

#8 July 17, 2011 at 4:59 pm
MURDOCH SHOULD GET SMART- OBVIOUSLY BROOKS WAS A SOROS PLANT commented:

RUPERT IS A DUMBASS!!!! THIS FIGHT WITH SOROS IS WAY OVER HIS HEAD!!! REBEKAH WAS OBVIOUSLY A SOROS PLANT, TO TAKE FOX DOWN FROM THE INSIDE!!! 911 VICTIMS WERE NOT HACKED!!!! THAT WAS JUST TO GET USA IN ON A FOXHATE SCAM!!! JAMES IS A MORON, HE WAS LEAD AROUND BY THE NOSE, BY BROOKS!!! SHE HIRED THE HACKERS TO INTENTIONALLY GET CAUGHT, AND SET FOX UP FOR THE BLAME!!!! WAKE UP RUPERT!!! FIGHT FOR YOUR COMPANY!!!! SOROS IS PLANTING PEOPLE IN YOUR COMPANY!!!!

You can't make this shit up.

360 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:48:25pm

re: #351 allegro

I can so identify with his story. Mine started with such an inspiration when I was about 4 and when in my play with my dog, I put my head on his little chest and listened to his heart thumping, his breath going in and out, and his guts squishing and churning. I thought "hey! we're the same! we've got all the same parts!" I went and told my mom about my amazing discovery and she told me I was wrong and that I would understand when I got older how humans and animals are not the same.

I knew I wasn't wrong. Got a PhD and spent my career as a wildlife biologist to prove how wrong I wasn't. Evolution is cool.

Excellent story!

361 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:49:04pm

re: #359 Kid A

Yes, because the first thing a mole/plant wants to do is go to jail.

362 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:50:16pm

re: #359 Kid A

Regarding Murdoch, a Mensa over at Gateway Douche had this to say:

#8 July 17, 2011 at 4:59 pm
MURDOCH SHOULD GET SMART- OBVIOUSLY BROOKS WAS A SOROS PLANT commented:

RUPERT IS A DUMBASS!!! THIS FIGHT WITH SOROS IS WAY OVER HIS HEAD!!! REBEKAH WAS OBVIOUSLY A SOROS PLANT, TO TAKE FOX DOWN FROM THE INSIDE!!! 911 VICTIMS WERE NOT HACKED!!! THAT WAS JUST TO GET USA IN ON A FOXHATE SCAM!!! JAMES IS A MORON, HE WAS LEAD AROUND BY THE NOSE, BY BROOKS!!! SHE HIRED THE HACKERS TO INTENTIONALLY GET CAUGHT, AND SET FOX UP FOR THE BLAME!!! WAKE UP RUPERT!!! FIGHT FOR YOUR COMPANY!!! SOROS IS PLANTING PEOPLE IN YOUR COMPANY!!!

You can't make this shit up.

The thing I worry about is when folks like this decide that ranting and raving online isn't enough, that they have to take a "personal hand" in "stopping" guys like Soros.

363 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:50:22pm

Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson: Bible in the Classroom

whoo boy!

364 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:51:22pm

re: #359 Kid A

Regarding Murdoch, a Mensa over at Gateway Douche had this to say:

#8 July 17, 2011 at 4:59 pm
MURDOCH SHOULD GET SMART- OBVIOUSLY BROOKS WAS A SOROS PLANT commented:

RUPERT IS A DUMBASS!!! THIS FIGHT WITH SOROS IS WAY OVER HIS HEAD!!! REBEKAH WAS OBVIOUSLY A SOROS PLANT, TO TAKE FOX DOWN FROM THE INSIDE!!! 911 VICTIMS WERE NOT HACKED!!! THAT WAS JUST TO GET USA IN ON A FOXHATE SCAM!!! JAMES IS A MORON, HE WAS LEAD AROUND BY THE NOSE, BY BROOKS!!! SHE HIRED THE HACKERS TO INTENTIONALLY GET CAUGHT, AND SET FOX UP FOR THE BLAME!!! WAKE UP RUPERT!!! FIGHT FOR YOUR COMPANY!!! SOROS IS PLANTING PEOPLE IN YOUR COMPANY!!!

You can't make this shit up.

OMG

365 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:51:42pm

re: #364 Stanley Sea

Verbatim.

366 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:52:11pm

re: #356 Slumbering Behemoth

No smart bigots? There must be one out there, somewhere./

Oh there are plenty of smart bigots. It's just that the dumb ones are easier to smack around.

Some smart bigots: Chris Kobach, Ezra Taft Benson, Kevin MacDonald, Woodrow Wilson, Charles Murray, plenty more, and that's even without going godwin. /

367 allegro  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:52:32pm

re: #360 Stanley Sea

Excellent story!

Thanks! Actually most every scientist I have ever known had such an experience as a kid and got the hunger, that nagging relentless need to know. Otherwise we woulda gone into bidness like normal folk and had nice retirements rather than being broke but with really cool knowledge and experiences.

368 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:52:57pm

What a world to live in. Satan's temptation around every corner, the potential for demonic possession behind every bush, and Soros plants behind every right-wing fuck up.

No wonder people believe in the unbelievable.

369 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:54:37pm

re: #368 Slumbering Behemoth

What a world to live in. Satan's temptation around every corner, the potential for demonic possession behind every bush, and Soros plants behind every right-wing fuck up.

No wonder people believe in the unbelievable.

Demonic possession? Perhaps that explains my computer's actions lately...
/

370 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:54:43pm

re: #368 Slumbering Behemoth

What a world to live in. Satan's temptation around every corner, the potential for demonic possession behind every bush, and Soros plants behind every right-wing fuck up.

No wonder people believe in the unbelievable.

How much water and sunlight do Soros plants need?

371 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:55:42pm

re: #368 Slumbering Behemoth

What a world to live in. Satan's temptation around every corner, the potential for demonic possession behind every bush, and Soros plants behind every right-wing fuck up.

No wonder people believe in the unbelievable.

Otherwise, their lives would probably be quite dull.

372 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:56:05pm

re: #370 Kid AThey prefer partial shade and a little water. That is how they evade radar. /

373 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:56:13pm

re: #367 allegro

Broke? I thought you guys got great big gov't grants to study rat farts and stuff.
/

374 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:56:13pm

re: #365 Kid A

Verbatim.

It's got to be a liberal plant. Otherwise, we're fucked.

375 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:56:38pm

re: #371 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Otherwise, their lives would probably be quite dull.

And nothing demonstrates commitment to your cause like ALL CAPS and lotsa !!!!

376 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:57:03pm

re: #362 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The thing I worry about is when folks like this decide that ranting and raving online isn't enough, that they have to take a "personal hand" in "stopping" guys like Soros.

They whine about Soros as if he's some frightening Commie looking to take over the US but ignore the Murdochs and Kochs who connive and manipulate in order to discredit the science of Climatology.

The irony is painful.

377 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:57:29pm

re: #371 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Otherwise, their lives would probably be quite dull.

There are some people out there that can't be happy unless they have something to be angry about. This explains the success of talk radio.

378 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:57:30pm

re: #362 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The thing I worry about is when folks like this decide that ranting and raving online isn't enough, that they have to take a "personal hand" in "stopping" guys like Soros.

And the Tides Foundation

And abortion doctors

And abortion clinics

And gay bars

And Black churches

And Leo Frank

And Civil Rights workers

And Civil Rights leaders

And and and

379 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:57:54pm

re: #366 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Oh there are plenty of smart bigots. It's just that the dumb ones are easier to smack around.

Some smart bigots: Chris Kobach, Ezra Taft Benson, Kevin MacDonald, Woodrow Wilson, Charles Murray, plenty more, and that's even without going godwin. /

Ezra Levant.

380 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:57:56pm

re: #359 Kid A

I once again think that any mention of Soros can be replaced with this:


Sneaky Jew is at it again!

381 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:57:57pm
Report: Rebekah Brooks still being questioned, almost 12 hours after her arrest - @TimesNewsdesk

Wow, something is really going on.

382 bratwurst  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:58:16pm

re: #376 b_sharp

They whine about Soros as if he's some frightening Commie looking to take over the US

Completely ignoring the fact that he funded eastern European anti-communist movements, naturally.

383 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:58:42pm

re: #381 Killgore Trout

Wow, something is really going on.

It's Christmas in July

384 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:58:48pm

re: #368 Slumbering Behemoth

What a world to live in. Satan's temptation around every corner, the potential for demonic possession behind every bush, and Soros plants behind every right-wing fuck up.

No wonder people believe in the unbelievable.

They don't just believe it, the invest in it.

385 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:58:50pm

re: #377 Slumbering Behemoth

There are some people out there that can't be happy unless they have something to be angry about. This explains the success of talk radio.

Yeah. Not happy unless they're mad.

386 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:58:51pm

re: #381 Killgore Trout
Spilling her guts.

387 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:58:57pm

re: #376 b_sharp

They whine about Soros as if he's some frightening Commie looking to take over the US but ignore the Murdochs and Kochs who connive and manipulate in order to discredit the science of Climatology.

The irony is painful.

They also steadfastly ignore that Soros spent much of his life and his fortune fighting against communism in Eastern Europe, both before and after the fall of the Soviet Union.

How an arch-capitalist who funded anti-communist operations in East Europe became the poster-boy for socialism I have no idea.

388 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:59:05pm

re: #375 Kid A

And nothing demonstrates commitment to your cause like ALL CAPS and lotsa !!!

FUCK YEAH!!!

389 Four More Beers  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:59:29pm

re: #381 Killgore Trout

Wow, something is really going on.

390 allegro  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:59:31pm

re: #373 Slumbering Behemoth

Broke? I thought you guys got great big gov't grants to study rat farts and stuff.
/

No rat farts but I did get grants to study scats (among a lot of other things). I could honestly say I knew Jack shit!

391 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:59:59pm

re: #381 Killgore Trout

Wow, something is really going on.

She won't give up her hairdresser.

392 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:00:14pm
393 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:00:20pm

re: #373 Slumbering Behemoth

Broke? I thought you guys got great big gov't grants to study rat farts and stuff.
/

Yah, grant writing is the easiest thing in the world to do and funding is guaranteed.

394 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:00:35pm

re: #387 Obdicut

They also steadfastly ignore that Soros spent much of his life and his fortune fighting against communism in Eastern Europe, both before and after the fall of the Soviet Union.

How an arch-capitalist who funded anti-communist operations in East Europe became the poster-boy for socialism I have no idea.

WELL! He helped the Nazis! Who were progressive socialists!!

395 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:00:52pm

re: #381 Killgore Trout

Wow, something is really going on.


That means she's talking.

I think Scotland Yard has realized they have to pursue this aggressively or be a total laughingstock. It was their guy that just resigned, it was their guys getting bribed. They have to make a strong effort here or they look like they really are up for sale, lock, stock, and barrel.

396 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:01:18pm

re: #377 Slumbering Behemoth

There are some people out there that can't be happy unless they have something to be angry about. This explains the success of talk radio.

They need to have some other to blame for their crappy circumstances.

397 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:01:56pm

re: #392 WindUpBird

Beat ya to it. :P

Oh, if you buy music on line, there is a big sale you might be interested in.

398 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:01:58pm

re: #386 PhillyPretzel

Spilling her guts.

That's my first guess. Civilian police interrogations probably aren't allowed to continue for more than a couple hours at a time. 12 hours and she's still talking? If true it's probably voluntary.

399 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:02:14pm

re: #390 allegro

No rat farts but I did get grants to study scats (among a lot of other things). I could honestly say I knew Jack shit!

I think I've mentioned my brother is a wildlife biologist.

He got shat on by a polar bear.

Tranquilizer (muscle relaxant) + hoist weigh + standing at the ass-end of the bear = when the hoist is pulled and pressure is on the bear's stomach, shit just flies out.

400 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:02:20pm

re: #376 b_sharp

They whine about Soros as if he's some frightening Commie looking to take over the US but ignore the Murdochs and Kochs who connive and manipulate in order to discredit the science of Climatology.

The irony is painful.

It helps when you read the Cliff Notes of Atlas Shrugged and convince yourself that the Murdochs and Kochs of the world are all John Galts, rather than the "parasites" that they view the rest of us as.

401 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:02:31pm

re: #349 Decatur Deb

It work as wells as the TV allows when plugged with RWY inputs. v(It's in Black and White: The TV has a Red-White-Red-Blue-Green input instead of Red-White-Yellow)

The Cable input with either the TV or DirectTV Box has faulted.

402 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:03:48pm

re: #398 Killgore Trout

That's my first guess. Civilian police interrogations probably aren't allowed to continue for more than a couple hours at a time. 12 hours and she's still talking? If true it's probably voluntary.

Probably realized she got hung out to dry and is trying to roll in search of a deal. Likely won't take Murdoch down, but may succeed in gutting the News Corp empire enough that he gets cast out anyway.

403 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:03:56pm

re: #396 b_sharp

They need to have some other to blame for their crappy circumstances.

While wagging their mommy finger at all others, about personal responsibility 9_9

404 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:04:22pm

re: #387 Obdicut

They also steadfastly ignore that Soros spent much of his life and his fortune fighting against communism in Eastern Europe, both before and after the fall of the Soviet Union.

How an arch-capitalist who funded anti-communist operations in East Europe became the poster-boy for socialism I have no idea.

He believes in AGW, and probably evolution too, and gives money to other people who also believe in that stuff.

405 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:05:48pm

Ah Marvin Gaye. Such a good song. 1971!

406 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:06:15pm

re: #402 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Probably realized she got hung out to dry and is trying to roll in search of a deal. Likely won't take Murdoch down, but may succeed in gutting the News Corp empire enough that he gets cast out anyway.

Well she's pretty much at the top of the food chain. She's pretty much 3rd down under Murdoch and son. My guess is that any deal would involve bringing down the Murdochs. Probably more than a few UK politicians as well.

407 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:06:55pm

re: #406 Killgore Trout

I think the Cameron government will fall.

408 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:07:11pm

re: #405 Stanley Sea

Ah Marvin Gaye. Such a good song. 1971!

409 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:08:04pm

re: #399 Obdicut

I think I've mentioned my brother is a wildlife biologist.

He got shat on by a polar bear.

Tranquilizer (muscle relaxant) + hoist weigh + standing at the ass-end of the bear = when the hoist is pulled and pressure is on the bear's stomach, shit just flies out.

Got shit on by the worlds biggest bear and lived to tell the tale.

That should get him quite a few free beer.

410 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:08:13pm

re: #406 Killgore Trout

Well she's pretty much at the top of the food chain. She's pretty much 3rd down under Murdoch and son. My guess is that any deal would involve bringing down the Murdochs. Probably more than a few UK politicians as well.

Yeah, but it likely relies in large part on being able to prove anything she says. Which is probably why it's taking so long, as she might be giving details as to how it all went down, where the bodies are buried, and how Murdoch or son signed off on all of it.

411 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:08:46pm

re: #406 Killgore Trout

Well she's pretty much at the top of the food chain. She's pretty much 3rd down under Murdoch and son. My guess is that any deal would involve bringing down the Murdochs. Probably more than a few UK politicians as well.

AND she and her husband dined with the Prime Minister @ Christmas.

Bought and paid for.

412 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:10:08pm

re: #409 b_sharp

Got shit on by the worlds biggest bear and lived to tell the tale.

That should get him quite a few free beer.

generally, Kodiaks are larger than Polar bears

413 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:10:49pm

re: #410 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Or it might be one question, three hours consult with her lawyer, one single sentence answer.

We'll know soon.

414 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:11:53pm

re: #410 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, but it likely relies in large part on being able to prove anything she says. Which is probably why it's taking so long, as she might be giving details as to how it all went down, where the bodies are buried, and how Murdoch or son signed off on all of it.

or the 12 hour confess is bullshit...wait and see

415 allegro  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:13:11pm

re: #409 b_sharp

Got shit on by the worlds biggest bear and lived to tell the tale.

That should get him quite a few free beer.

Put a bunch of wildlife biologists together in a bar and the stories like this are hilarious. Even funnier are the ones we tell on each other about really embarrassing moments.

416 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:13:12pm

re: #412 albusteve

generally, Kodiaks are larger than Polar bears

I knew someone would bring that up. It doesn't go well with the free beer story to admit that though.

417 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:14:43pm

re: #415 allegro

Put a bunch of wildlife biologists together in a bar and the stories like this are hilarious. Even funnier are the ones we tell on each other about really embarrassing moments.

You know, I'd give the left hemisphere of my brain to be a scientist.

418 allegro  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:15:34pm

re: #417 b_sharp

You know, I'd give the left hemisphere of my brain to be a scientist.

What's stopping you?

419 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:16:45pm

re: #418 allegro

What's stopping you?

Age.

By the time I get a PhD, I'd be ready to retire.

I'm just an old science geek.

420 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:17:03pm

re: #413 Obdicut

Or it might be one question, three hours consult with her lawyer, one single sentence answer.

We'll know soon.

re: #414 albusteve

or the 12 hour confess is bullshit...wait and see

True enough. Guess we'll know when if they charge her before week's end or not.

421 allegro  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:17:55pm

re: #419 b_sharp

Age.

By the time I get a PhD, I'd be ready to retire.

I'm just an old science geek.

Ah, gotcha.

422 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:18:33pm

OK, my housemate has been gone since July 2nd. She's coming back tonight.

I'm going to wipe the patio table down and leave for the evening. It was nice while it lasted.

Talk to ya later 'zards.

423 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:19:04pm

Martha and Dusty!

424 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:19:24pm

re: #422 Stanley Sea

Izzat the one that believes in the mystical powers of crystals?

425 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:20:01pm

re: #424 Slumbering Behemoth

Izzat the one that believes in the mystical powers of crystals?

No shit?

426 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:20:15pm

re: #424 Slumbering Behemoth

Izzat the one that believes in the mystical powers of crystals?

No, that's Jesus, the dude who rents the room below.

427 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:20:46pm

re: #416 b_sharp

I knew someone would bring that up. It doesn't go well with the free beer story to admit that though.

Smokey The Bear was 22ft tall and weighed over six tons...tell em that

428 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:21:14pm

re: #425 b_sharp

No shit?

haha. I'm still here. He showed me photos from some old tattered book of how water crystals mean something.

Any sports on tonight?

429 allegro  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:21:26pm

re: #423 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Martha and Dusty!

[Video]

Wow! What a find! Thanks!

430 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:22:09pm

re: #428 Stanley Sea

haha. I'm still here. He showed me photos from some old tattered book of how water crystals mean something.

Any sports on tonight?

the NFL Channel is chock full of sports

431 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:23:22pm

re: #430 albusteve

the NFL Channel is chock full of sports

Hopefully it's playing at my local pub, er escape spot.

432 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:23:51pm

600 pounds of sin...
Dire Wolf

433 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:24:21pm

re: #423 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Martha and Dusty!

[Video]

I love that song (and I hate it!)

434 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:24:53pm

re: #428 Stanley Sea

Well, if you squeeze certain crystals hard enough you get an electrical response.

435 Stanghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:25:43pm

For reals, I'm outta here. Have a fun night!

436 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:26:14pm

re: #431 Stanley Sea

Hopefully it's playing at my local pub, er escape spot.

it's close...it's coming

437 kirkspencer  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:26:34pm

Huh. I'd forgotten all about this till I saw this elsewhere. From 2008:

[Link: www.portfolio.com...]

Fox News Knocks Down 'Brain Room' Claim

Has Roger Ailes been keeping tabs on your phone calls? A disgrunted former Fox News producer claims he has the capability thanks to a secret "brain room" that the network uses for "counterintelligence and black ops."

[article continues at link]

438 allegro  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:27:22pm

The most unlikely musical pairing ever. Soul meets opera.

439 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:28:13pm

re: #1 Obdicut

Bribery of the police is really something that they can't overlook. That's not something that can get swept under the rug.

Especially since it just forced out the head of the London PD. This scandal reminds me more and more of Watergate with each passing day.

440 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:30:18pm

re: #439 Dark_Falcon

Expect Watergate was a great deal smaller than this, and Nixon is far more sympathetic.

To use Tropical Cyclones as an analogy, Watergate was Frances. This is Katrina.

re: #437 kirkspencer

This story is about to be investigated.

441 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:31:33pm

re: #439 Dark_Falcon

Especially since it just forced out the head of the London PD. This scandal reminds me more and more of Watergate with each passing day.

Watergate consumed even me...I was way more political then
grand drama on an epic scale...this is no comparison, a bump in the road...the drama to match Watergate will be manufactured for profit

442 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:32:45pm

re: #440 ProLifeLiberal

Expect Watergate was a great deal smaller than this, and Nixon is far more sympathetic.

To use Tropical Cyclones as an analogy, Watergate was Frances. This is Katrina.

re: #437 kirkspencer

This story is about to be investigated.

no...not even close

443 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:32:56pm

re: #440 ProLifeLiberal

Expect Watergate was a great deal smaller than this, and Nixon is far more sympathetic character.

To use Tropical Cyclones as an analogy, Watergate was Frances. This is Katrina.

re: #437 kirkspencer

This story is about to be investigated.

Me and proof-reading need to be friends.

444 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:33:03pm

re: #441 albusteve

Bribing police is a pretty serious matter.

445 allegro  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:33:36pm

re: #441 albusteve

Watergate consumed even me...I was way more political then
grand drama on an epic scale...this is no comparison, a bump in the road...the drama to match Watergate will be manufactured for profit

I agree. Watergate brought down a president. I will never forget watching Nixon resign on TV - stunning.

446 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:34:22pm

re: #441 albusteve

Watergate consumed even me...I was way more political then
grand drama on an epic scale...this is no comparison, a bump in the road...the drama to match Watergate will be manufactured for profit

In the US it will probably just be an embarassment for the Wingnuts and Republicans. The whole Tea Party signs praising Fox are extra funny now. But in the UK this is huge and could very easily end up with Watergate-like proportions.

447 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:34:51pm

re: #442 albusteve

When one government falls, and one or two others end up collected, along with a number of other issues, you've gone past Watergate. Watergate stayed in the US. This started in Britain, and will likely have massive effects in not just the UK, but the US and Australia. I would bet that New Zealand and Canada get involved in this as well.

448 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:34:59pm

re: #444 Obdicut

Bribing police is a pretty serious matter.

sure is...and it happens everyday all across the globe

449 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:35:47pm

re: #446 Killgore Trout

This could badly hurt the Republicans, depending on how this goes.

450 allegro  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:36:35pm

re: #447 ProLifeLiberal

When one government media outlet falls, and one or two others end up collected, along with a number of other issues, you've gone past Watergate. Watergate stayed in the US. This started in Britain, and will likely have massive effects in not just the UK, but the US and Australia. I would bet that New Zealand and Canada get involved in this as well.

That's more accurate. I don't see this taking down governments.

451 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:37:05pm

re: #440 ProLifeLiberal

Expect Watergate was a great deal smaller than this, and Nixon is far more sympathetic.

To use Tropical Cyclones as an analogy, Watergate was Frances. This is Katrina.

re: #437 kirkspencer

This story is about to be investigated.

Watergate was smaller in terms of the scope of the evesdropping, but bigger in terms of the person brought down. Rupert Murdoch is not at the level of the President of the United States. It might claim a head of government yet (though not a head of state, like Watergate did).

452 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:37:46pm

re: #446 Killgore Trout

In the US, it'll depend on whether they actually did hack the 9/11 victims phones, or did something equally improper, like police bribery. That might well have crossed the pond as a behavior.

453 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:38:49pm

re: #446 Killgore Trout

In the US it will probably just be an embarassment for the Wingnuts and Republicans. The whole Tea Party signs praising Fox are extra funny now. But in the UK this is huge and could very easily end up with Watergate-like proportions.

I'm not doubting the bigness...but Watergate is in a class alone, so far...taking down a sitting POTUS is huge beyond most peoples comprehension unless they were there...Gen X and Y and whoever want this to be as big or bigger simply for historical reasons...not

454 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:39:16pm

re: #449 ProLifeLiberal

This could badly hurt the Republicans, depending on how this goes.

Possible, but not probable. For all of its influence within the GOP, NewsCorp does not have the direct links to US Republicans that it does to UK Conservatives. Those Republicans employed by Fox News have been commentators, not executives. Thus the potential for direct damage is much lower.

455 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:40:08pm

re: #453 albusteve

But a president serves only for 8 years. Murdoch has been being an asshole for decades now. In terms of effect on the US and UK politics, he's had one comparable to a president. And was grooming his son to take over that influence.

456 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:40:33pm

re: #449 ProLifeLiberal

This could badly hurt the Republicans, depending on how this goes.

Possibly but for right now it looks like it's only going to cause some minor embarrassment.

457 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:41:00pm

re: #454 Dark_Falcon

What do you think of George H.W. Bush calling Roger Ailes 'our man Ailes'?

458 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:41:13pm

re: #451 Dark_Falcon

In Britain though, to bring down the head of state would be hard, as that is the Royal Family, who actually had a hand in revealing the whole issue.

The (in my opinion likely) fall of Cameron's Government will be of the same magnitude as Watergate.

re: #450 allegro

I can see Cameron's Government falling.

re: #452 Obdicut

And I am counting on significant wire-tapping here.

459 Big Joe Ghazi  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:43:02pm

This ss interesting if it's even partly true.

Has Roger Ailes Hacked American Phones for Fox News?

460 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:43:06pm

re: #453 albusteve

I'm not doubting the bigness...but Watergate is in a class alone, so far...taking down a sitting POTUS is huge beyond most peoples comprehension unless they were there...Gen X and Y and whoever want this to be as big or bigger simply for historical reasons...not

Not sure about that. Watergate gets the honor of being the first really big scandal on that scale, so I agree it doesn't have to be compared. But imo, Iran-Contra was way bigger in scope than Watergate. Republicans like to pretend neither exist, or have anything to do with the way the party is, today. But after Watergate 10 years earlier, nothing was shocking.

That doesn't mean the News Crap scandal is any less in scope.

461 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:45:19pm

re: #454 Dark_Falcon

Possible, but not probable. For all of its influence within the GOP, NewsCorp does not have the direct links to US Republicans that it does to UK Conservatives. Those Republicans employed by Fox News have been commentators, not executives. Thus the potential for direct damage is much lower.

Kasich is now a state governor. Huckabee and Palin were state governors. Gingrich was Speaker of the House.

462 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:46:00pm

re: #457 Obdicut

What do you think of George H.W. Bush calling Roger Ailes 'our man Ailes'?

That would only cause indirect damage, and even then it will only be significant if it is found that Ailes did something illegal. For right now, there are no substantiated allegations of illegal conduct by Fox News (there is an investigation, but it has not yielded charges), and unless there are such allegations the scandal will, in and of itself, do no electoral damage to the GOP.

463 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:46:02pm

re: #455 Obdicut

But a president serves only for 8 years. Murdoch has been being an asshole for decades now. In terms of effect on the US and UK politics, he's had one comparable to a president. And was grooming his son to take over that influence.


and so what?....everything at this point is speculation...I expect Fox will role on right through the bump, my own speculation

464 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:46:33pm

re: #454 Dark_Falcon

Possible, but not probable. For all of its influence within the GOP, NewsCorp does not have the direct links to US Republicans that it does to UK Conservatives. Those Republicans employed by Fox News have been commentators, not executives. Thus the potential for direct damage is much lower.

Baloney. F'ed News is the mouthpiece for the GOTP. It's so tied in with the GOP/RNC they have to let people go when they run for office.

People tried to tell Sarah Palin it was really STUPID for her to advise Christine O'Donnell to "get out there, speak to the American people, speak through Fox News." Hopefully, now she knows why.

465 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:48:26pm

re: #462 Dark_Falcon

I think Fox and the GOP are acknowledged to be completely intertwined by the average Joe, Dark. It's not really subtle at this point. Not just the parade of GOP candidates being given free campaign time, not just the blatant constant attacks on Obama, but also the literally millions of dollars News Corp has given the GOP.

There's no angle on which Fox is not intertwined with the GOP.

466 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:48:44pm

re: #464 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Baloney. F'ed News is the mouthpiece for the GOTP. It's so tied in with the GOP/RNC they have to let people go when they run for office.

People tried to tell Sarah Palin it was really STUPID for her to advise Christine O'Donnell to "get out there, speak to the American people, speak through Fox News." Hopefully, now she knows why.

you severely underestimate the voters lack of concience

467 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:48:59pm

re: #461 goddamnedfrank

Kasich is now a state governor. Huckabee and Palin were state governors. Gingrich was Speaker of the House.

Not disputing that, Frank. But it is vanishingly unlikely any of them were aware of any illegal activities. As such, the worst it can do is embarrass them. It would likely finish off any presidential aspirations for Gingrich and possibly Palin, but it would hit Romney, Pawlenty, Huntsman, and Bachmann not at all.

468 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:49:54pm

re: #459 mracb

This ss interesting if it's even partly true.

Has Roger Ailes Hacked American Phones for Fox News?

Interesting but I'm a little suspicious of the sources on that one.

469 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:51:15pm

re: #462 Dark_Falcon

(there is an investigation, but it has not yielded charges)

That's because it just started. We'll all be around for the results.

Personally, I can't wait to see what the feckless slobs have to hide.

470 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:51:30pm

re: #465 Obdicut

I think Fox and the GOP are acknowledged to be completely intertwined by the average Joe, Dark. It's not really subtle at this point. Not just the parade of GOP candidates being given free campaign time, not just the blatant constant attacks on Obama, but also the literally millions of dollars News Corp has given the GOP.

There's no angle on which Fox is not intertwined with the GOP.

I wouldn't bet on that, Obdi. But the GOP should (quietly) scale back its involvement with Newscorp until this is resolved. Any Newscorp monies remaining should be sequestered pending that resolution.

471 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:53:55pm

re: #468 Killgore Trout

Interesting but I'm a little suspicious of the sources on that one.

It's The Nation, which a left-wing magazine. They'd be inclined to run with something slamming FOX, even with questionable sources. Again, I say "Wait and See". Fox News should not be regarded as guilty of any crimes without evidence. That evidence may well emerge, but we should wait till it does.

472 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:54:11pm

re: #466 albusteve

you severely underestimate the voters lack of concience

I don't underestimate her constituent's lack of conscience, not by miles.

I expect them to do like the rest of the cons here and plug their ears and close their eyes, and eventually blame Obama.

They've already started the CYA. Yeah, it's MM, but this is hilarious.

If they have nothing to hide, they will welcome an investigation to clear their name.

473 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:55:36pm

re: #470 Dark_Falcon

I wouldn't bet on that, Obdi. But the GOP should (quietly) scale back its involvement with Newscorp until this is resolved. Any Newscorp monies remaining should be sequestered pending that resolution.

You wouldn't bet on what? That people identify Fox with conservatives and the GOP? Why wouldn't they?

The GOP can't possible disentangle itself from Newscorp. Fox news is GOP talking points and interviews with GOP politicians.

The GOP could put on a disguise, I guess Maybe a whig.

474 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:58:13pm

re: #473 Obdicut

You wouldn't bet on what? That people identify Fox with conservatives and the GOP? Why wouldn't they?

The GOP can't possible disentangle itself from Newscorp. Fox news is GOP talking points and interviews with GOP politicians.

The GOP could put on a disguise, I guess Maybe a whig.

475 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:58:33pm

re: #471 Dark_Falcon

It's The Nation, which a left-wing magazine. They'd be inclined to run with something slamming FOX, even with questionable sources. Again, I say "Wait and See". Fox News should not be regarded as guilty of any crimes without evidence. That evidence may well emerge, but we should wait till it does.

No one is accusing or convicting F'd News of any crimes. Not in the US, anyway.

Fact is, they did it in England, and cat's out of the bag. It's fair game to ask if the did it here, especially since they are the mouthpiece for GOTP policies.

They should not have done it in England. Then, they would not have these additional aspersions cast on them.

476 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 4:59:38pm

re: #474 albusteve

busted post...
the GOP can say and do whatever it wants...you are drawing conclusions from a rational point of view, your enemy does not

477 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:00:04pm

re: #473 Obdicut

You wouldn't bet on what? That people identify Fox with conservatives and the GOP? Why wouldn't they?

Most people are not as well informed as you, Obdi. Most people do not even watch cable news except during a major story.

The GOP can't possible disentangle itself from Newscorp. Fox news is GOP talking points and interviews with GOP politicians.

The GOP could put on a disguise, I guess Maybe a whig.

Given the situation, I see no alternative, but to try. No boycott, but fewer GOP interviews, those on Fox less prominent (John Boener should not go on Fox this week), and no taking any more NewsCorp money till this is resolved.

BBL

478 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:01:05pm

re: #473 Obdicut

The GOP could put on a disguise, I guess Maybe a whig.

They might as well. The same old dumb, miseducated hayseeds who fall for the rest of their carnival barking would fall for it, still tune in, blame Michelle Obama, and everything will correct back to normal.

479 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:02:09pm

re: #477 Dark_Falcon

Given the situation, I see no alternative, but to try.

That ship done left that port.

480 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:03:00pm

re: #478 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

They might as well. The same old dumb, miseducated hayseeds who fall for the rest of their carnival barking would fall for it, still tune in, blame Michelle Obama, and everything will correct back to normal.

there you have it...pretty simple

481 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:03:34pm

re: #477 Dark_Falcon

no taking any more NewsCorp money till this is resolved.

What an unfortunate thing to put in print.

482 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:03:36pm

re: #55 Killgore Trout


So Murdoch's Libertarian, anti-communist, anti-muslim empire will most likely be bought up by Chinese, Russians and Saudis.

I just dig the irony.

484 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:05:22pm

re: #352 Slumbering Behemoth

It's a requirement. Have you ever listened to the music of a rock star that never used drugs? Crap. Think "Ted Nugent". I rest my case.

485 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:06:54pm

re: #480 albusteve

there you have it...pretty simple

Hey, don't be laughing. They elected W twice. Anything is possible.

486 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:07:45pm

re: #484 negativ

Well of course there's going to be an exception to every rule.

487 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:07:57pm

re: #485 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Hey, don't be laughing. They elected W twice. Anything is possible.

I know that...BO got elected

488 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:08:04pm

Off topic. But I found this:

[Link: io9.com...]

First Response: AWWWW!

Second Response. The lady on the right is why the current doctor is the best doctor.

489 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:09:46pm

re: #483 Slumbering Behemoth

Who's More Pro-Science, Republicans or Democrats?

[Video]

Afronerds rule the world.

490 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:12:01pm

re: #487 albusteve

I know that...BO got elected

Not by dumb Fox-drunk hayseeds. They hate him.

491 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:12:14pm

re: #489 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Afronerds rule the world.

Afronerds...
2pts

492 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:13:12pm

re: #490 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Not by dumb Fox-drunk hayseeds. They hate him.

he has consecrated whiteness...the shame

493 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:14:11pm

re: #491 albusteve

Afronerds...
2pts

Thanks, though it's not original.

494 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:14:46pm

re: #492 albusteve

he has consecrated whiteness...

Does it?

Says you?

495 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:14:58pm

re: #493 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Thanks, though it's not original.

my points are not cheap

496 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:15:56pm

[waits while albusteve runs to tabulate all the nonwhite Fox talking heads]

497 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:16:06pm

re: #494 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Does it?

Says you?

I could care less what color the president is...the issue is beneath me

498 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:17:23pm

re: #493 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Thanks, though it's not original.

And they're not all in the Hayden Planetarium:

p[Link: www.afrigadget.com...]

499 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:17:34pm

re: #489 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Boy, have things changed with the Tea Party.

500 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:17:57pm

re: #496 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

[waits while albusteve runs to tabulate all the nonwhite Fox talking heads]

I was dissin Fox here about the time you were born

501 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:18:13pm

re: #497 albusteve

I could care less what color the president is...the issue is beneath me

No one brought it up but you. Why did you do that?

502 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:19:00pm

re: #501 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

No one brought it up but you. Why did you do that?

why do you think?

503 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:19:12pm

re: #500 albusteve

I was dissin Fox here about the time you were born

Doubful. Go pull rank on someone else.

504 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:20:09pm

re: #503 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Doubful. Go pull rank on someone else.

it's a fact...disregarding your actual age

505 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:20:18pm

re: #502 albusteve

why do you think?

It's your issue, you tell us.

506 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:20:28pm

re: #498 Decatur Deb

And they're not all in the Hayden Planetarium:

p[Link: www.afrigadget.com...]

Retrying the link:

[Link: www.afrigadget.com...]

507 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:21:13pm

re: #505 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

It's your issue, you tell us.

don't be stupid and follow the thread

508 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:22:45pm

re: #504 albusteve

it's a fact...disregarding your actual age

Ok well, whatever you have to prove about that, go let someone else know. For your sake, preferably someone who gives two cruds.

509 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:23:34pm

re: #504 albusteve

re: #505 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin


Are you two arguing about the same thing?

Steve what did you mean when you said "he has consecrated whiteness"?

510 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:24:28pm

re: #508 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Ok well, whatever you have to prove about that, go let someone else know. For your sake, preferably someone who gives two cruds.

I don't have anything to prove...you have lost track, go back and start over with #492

511 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:25:20pm

re: #509 b_sharp

re: #505 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Are you two arguing about the same thing?

Steve what did you mean when you said "he has consecrated whiteness"?

I mean that's what the voters from the right mean...pretty obvious

512 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:26:00pm

re: #507 albusteve

don't be stupid and follow the thread

You chose to bring up "whiteness" of Fox, your words, and that non-sequitur about not caring about the president's race, as anyone gives a damn whether you do or don't.

Process this issue on your own. You're not getting any help from me on it, sorry.

513 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:27:12pm

re: #505 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Are you two arguing about the same thing?

Who knows what bee is up his butt, today.

514 allegro  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:29:04pm

re: #483 Slumbering Behemoth

Who's More Pro-Science, Republicans or Democrats?

[Video]

I noticed that he made those comments in early 2009. I wonder if he would answer the same way today after what we've been seeing with the TX text book stuff?

515 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:30:00pm

re: #499 ProLifeLiberal

Boy, have things changed with the Tea Party.

The tea party is a bunch of dying bigots gasping their last breaths, reliving their anti-busing days.

516 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:30:34pm

re: #512 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

You chose to bring up "whiteness" of Fox, your words, and that non-sequitur about not caring about the president's race, as anyone gives a damn whether you do or don't.

Process this issue on your own. You're not getting any help from me on it, sorry.

you speak as a second party to Fox voters, and I did too...you are missing something in there

517 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:31:53pm

re: #516 albusteve

you speak as a second party to Fox voters, and I did too...you are missing something in there

Well no, your little rhetorical exercise failed.

I'm sure I'll be blamed for it.

518 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:34:15pm

re: #517 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Well no, your little rhetorical exercise failed.

I'm sure I'll be blamed for it.

I said that Fox voters feel that BO has desecrated whiteness, as a pesponse to you saying the same nearly thing...whatever your personal problem is, is laughable

519 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:34:33pm

re: #514 allegro

I noticed that he made those comments in early 2009. I wonder if he would answer the same way today after what we've been seeing with the TX text book stuff?

He was focusing on the administration's attitude of the time and not on all the attempts by the right to screw with science.

520 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:35:29pm

re: #518 albusteve

I said that Fox voters feel that BO has desecrated whiteness, as a pesponse to you saying the same nearly thing

Your social paranoia is getting the best of you. I said nothing of the sort. Not even "nearly".

Nice try. Try again.

521 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:35:31pm

re: #515 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

They still have the power to cause some damage before they go. We must be vigilant.

522 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:37:52pm

re: #518 albusteve

BTW, the word you used was "consecrated", not "desecrated".

Either way, your pov makes no sense.

Sorry.

523 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:39:20pm

Not by dumb Fox-drunk hayseeds. They hate him....

your words....I was describing why that is so

524 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:40:01pm

re: #521 ProLifeLiberal

They still have the power to cause some damage before they go. We must be vigilant.

They do. They are like the creepy stalker out to kill their ex thinking, "if i can't have you, no one will!!!"

"You" being absoulute propaganda power and control.

525 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:41:05pm

re: #523 albusteve

Not by dumb Fox-drunk hayseeds. They hate him....

your words...

Yes? And?

I was describing why that is so

Fail.

526 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:41:41pm

re: #522 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

BTW, the word you used was "consecrated", not "desecrated".

Either way, your pov makes no sense.

Sorry.

my genius is not found in typed words on the net, like yours...if I fucked up a word, so be it...I'm an ordinary guy with more confidence than you can breech....I could give a crap

527 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:42:45pm

Breaking news: Brooks released on bail from Yahoo: [Link: news.yahoo.com...]

528 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:43:19pm

re: #525 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yes? And?

I was describing why that is so

Fail.

LOL!...what's failed is your conflict you want...
we are not arguing, you are

529 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:44:15pm

re: #509 b_sharp

re: #505 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Are you two arguing about the same thing?

Steve what did you mean when you said "he has consecrated whiteness"?

Lol he's gone back on it to say "he's desecrated whiteness"

Whatever that was supposed to mean, too, also there.

But OhCrap is the stupid one, having trouble following along with the thread. e_e

530 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:44:22pm

re: #527 PhillyPretzel

Breaking news: Brooks released on bail from Yahoo: [Link: news.yahoo.com...]

She got lucky; some people are thrown into Yahoo and never heard from again.

531 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:45:43pm

re: #528 albusteve

we are not arguing, you are

I'm not the one inventing others' positions out of whole cloth, then arguing against them.

That's you.

There's a term for that, you know. It's a sign of intellectual laziness.

532 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:45:43pm

re: #530 negativ

LOL. My mistake: Brooks released on bail from London police from Yahoo.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

533 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:47:47pm

re: #530 negativ

She got lucky; some people are thrown into Yahoo and never heard from again.

The inquisition had nothing on the horrors of Yahoo.

534 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:49:18pm

re: #529 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Lol he's gone back on it to say "he's desecrated whiteness"

Whatever that was supposed to mean, too, also there.

But OhCrap is the stupid one, having trouble following along with the thread. e_e

GOP voters do not like BO because of his race...how much more clear can I be?

535 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:49:24pm

re: #514 allegro

I noticed that he made those comments in early 2009. I wonder if he would answer the same way today after what we've been seeing with the TX text book stuff?

A lot of that crap in TX was going on back in 2009, so I'm sure he was aware of it. He's basically saying that money speaks louder than rhetoric. It doesn't really answer the question of which party is more pro-science, just noting that science funding increased under a (R) POTUS, and in areas that were decreased under the previous (D) POTUS.

536 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:50:23pm

re: #526 albusteve

my genius is not found in typed words on the net, like yours...if I fucked up a word, so be it...I'm an ordinary guy with more confidence than you can breech...I could give a crap

You didn't simply fuck up a word, you failed to express what you meant and instead connoted something completely different.

BTW you're right, I don't have that issue. You've probably noticed that by now. I'm also an ordinary gal on the internet so stop making excuses for yourself.

Now, back to your ridiculous axe to grind about whatever I said about duped Fox-imbibing bigots that made you nervous and angry.

537 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:50:42pm

re: #534 albusteve

GOP voters do not like BO because of his race...how much more clear can I be?

Is that what you think?

538 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:52:46pm

Good Night to my fellow Lizards.

539 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:54:33pm

re: #536 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

You didn't simply fuck up a word, you failed to express what you meant and instead connoted something completely different.

BTW you're right, I don't have that issue. You've probably noticed that by now. I'm also an ordinary gal on the internet so stop making excuses for yourself.

Now, back to your ridiculous axe to grind about whatever I said about duped Fox-imbibing bigots that made you nervous and angry.

I don't have an ax to grind

540 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:55:32pm

re: #539 albusteve

I don't have an ax to grind

Right. Everyone else does.

541 albusteve  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:56:17pm

re: #537 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Is that what you think?

I don't hang out with republicans or political people in general...but, yes I will agree with that

542 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:57:45pm

re: #541 albusteve

I don't hang out with republicans or political people in general...but, yes I will agree with that

Based on what?

543 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 6:07:17pm

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544 CarleeCork  Sun, Jul 17, 2011 6:35:43pm

re: #419 b_sharp

Age.

By the time I get a PhD, I'd be ready to retire.

I'm just an old science geek.


How old will you be if you don't get a PhD?

Just saying....

545 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:54:08am

re: #487 albusteve

I know that...BO got elected

LOL.I bet you voted for Palin, thinking she would be a good president if McCain kicked the bucket.


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