The problem with being Michele Bachmann: she has such a long, long history of saying batshit crazy things.
She didn’t get her well-deserved reputation for fanatical extremism by being shy.
This means it’s relatively easy to dig up recordings of her crackpot emissions, and that’s what Think Progress is doing.
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windsagio Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:05:46pm |
The day has been at hand for the last 1900 years :p
I hope she's a "Russia is Gog and/or Magog" end-timer.
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Obdicut Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:07:33pm |
Well, these are the last days for big savings at Al's BBQ Outlet Emporium's Krazy Summer Dayze sale.
Maybe that's what she meant.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:08:23pm |
A right winger who believes she should be submissive to her husband, and believes we're in the final days of the universe.
Yeah, let's give her the nuclear button!
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windsagio Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:09:45pm |
re: #3 Charles
fortunately for all of us, that's just not gonna happen :D
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:14:18pm |
President Bachmann has a nice ring to it....BO better cover his ass
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nines09 Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:18:30pm |
She is 10 pounds of crazy in a 5 pound bag. Tick,tick,tick,tick.....
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SpaceJesus Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:18:39pm |
We are all sheep? What ever you say, Baaahhchman
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:19:07pm |
re: #1 windsagio
The day has been at hand for the last 1900 years :p
I hope she's a "Russia is Gog and/or Magog" end-timer.
How about we get a Russia is Gork and or Mork end timer?
Something tells me that would make having to listen to a politician preaching about the final WAAAAAAAAAGHHHH much more interesting.
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HoosierHoops Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:19:44pm |
re: #3 Charles
A right winger who believes she should be submissive to her husband, and believes we're in the final days of the universe.
Yeah, let's give her the nuclear button!
What happens if she gets elected then spends the State of the Union Address speaking in Tongues? You'll need to depend on a prophet to interpret what she said..
Who are you going to believe Charles?
*wink*
/She quit her church.. Wonder why...
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:19:59pm |
re: #7 SpaceJesus
We are all sheep? What ever you say, Baaahhchman
no, we are all numbers...the most numbers wins, and all your peeves and snark will go for nothing
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:20:42pm |
re: #10 albusteve
no, we are all numbers...the most numbers wins, and all your peeves and snark will go for nothing
I'm not a number, I'm a free man!
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SpaceJesus Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:21:49pm |
sometimes, i honestly have no idea what albusteve is even talking about
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:22:36pm |
Jeeeesus!
Image: x610.jpg
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:23:34pm |
re: #12 SpaceJesus
sometimes, i honestly have no idea what albusteve is even talking about
Sometimes, he doesn't either.
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nines09 Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:24:03pm |
re: #13 Killgore Trout
Jeeesus!
Image: x610.jpg
I think that would be a close up as she screams "BURN THEM ALLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!"
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:24:08pm |
How's she polling out of morbid curiousty?
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Blizard Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:25:38pm |
She makes my head spin, but without the satanic gazing eyes and projectile vomit. Thank goodness.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:26:14pm |
re: #9 HoosierHoops
What happens if she gets elected then spends the State of the Union Address speaking in Tongues? You'll need to depend on a prophet to interpret what she said..
Who are you going to believe Charles?
*wink*
/She quit her church.. Wonder why...
Frankly, I wonder why she even bothered. What's the point, it's not like she hides being a dumb, stupid socon bigot.
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:26:25pm |
re: #12 SpaceJesus
sometimes, i honestly have no idea what albusteve is even talking about
then I'll lay it out for you...several years ago nobody in the GOP could have believed a donkbot like BO could win it all...the golden tongued speaker can go far in this age of AmIdol...maybe the shoe is on the other foot now and all the trash talk in the world won't make a difference...if you can't figure this out then you are nothing more than a bot yourself
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:27:41pm |
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:27:53pm |
Bachmann claims flooded farmers on the Missouri river won't get government assistance because of blacks....
Bachmann criticizes black farmer settlement
The issue came up after Bachmann and Republican Rep. Steve King of Iowa toured flooded areas along the Missouri River. During a news conference, they fielded a question about whether farmers affected by the flooding also should be worried by proposed U.S. Department of Agriculture cuts.The two responded by criticizing a 1999 settlement in what is known as the Pigford case, after the original plaintiff, North Carolina farmer Timothy Pigford. Late last year, President Barack Obama signed legislation authorizing a new, nearly $1.2 billion settlement for people who were denied payments in the earlier one because they missed deadlines for filing.
...
Bachmann seconded King's criticism, saying, "When money is diverted to inefficient projects, like the Pigford project, where there seems to be proof-positive of fraud, we can't afford $2 billion in potentially fraudulent claims when that money can be used to benefit the people along the Mississippi River and the Missouri River."
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SpaceJesus Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:28:39pm |
oh ok, because barack obama was completely batshit insane before running for office. ok, gotcha.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:28:41pm |
re: #20 albusteve
several years ago nobody in the GOP could have believed a donkbot like BO could win it all...
You mean the same buttmunches that elected dubya twice?
Lol them?
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:29:33pm |
re: #24 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
You mean the same buttmunches that elected dubya twice?
Lol them?
yes...good for you
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Obdicut Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:29:36pm |
re: #20 albusteve
But Steve, Obama is about a hundred times more serious a person than Bachmann. Bachmann is crazypants. I know you personally detest Obama but you've got to remember he's not actually the ninny you try to make him out to be.
There's no comparison between Bachmann and Obama. She's crazy, she lies constantly, and her ideas don't even have a relationship with reality.
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SpaceJesus Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:30:50pm |
re: #10 albusteve
does your use of "we" imply that you are on her side
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:30:57pm |
re: #21 albusteve
poodles say that
Sometimes your posts sound like Cocteau Twins lyrics.
Futile, in love
(Didn't he? How hadn't he?)
Futile is this fever
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wrenchwench Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:31:40pm |
re: #22 Killgore Trout
Bachmann claims flooded farmers on the Missouri river won't get government assistance because of blacks...
Bachmann criticizes black farmer settlement
Breitbart has spoken through her.
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:32:02pm |
re: #26 Obdicut
But Steve, Obama is about a hundred times more serious a person than Bachmann. Bachmann is crazypants. I know you personally detest Obama but you've got to remember he's not actually the ninny you try to make him out to be.
There's no comparison between Bachmann and Obama. She's crazy, she lies constantly, and her ideas don't even have a relationship with reality.
I detest Bachmann far more...the point is if she has the numbers, and her brain dead constituents will provide them, she will be a formidable opponent
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:32:24pm |
re: #22 Killgore Trout
Bachmann claims flooded farmers on the Missouri river won't get government assistance because of blacks...
Bachmann criticizes black farmer settlement
"Pigford" might as well be the same as "Emanuel Goldstein" to some of these Republican cranks.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:32:42pm |
Honestly, I can't see Bachmann being nominated let alone elected. If she was in the senate or a governor, sure but this is a woman who I have no doubt couldn't get elected statewide. There's a reason why no one from the House has gone directly to the presidency since James A. Garfield who was part of his party's leadership at that and from a time when the powers of the president aren't what they are today. Wouldn't shock me if Bachmann was vetted for VP of course but president just seems really unlikely unless all her opponents falter somehow.
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:32:53pm |
re: #28 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Sometimes your posts sound like Cocteau Twins lyrics.
Futile, in love
(Didn't he? How hadn't he?)
Futile is this fever
you over think it...too smart by half
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wrenchwench Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:33:05pm |
re: #30 albusteve
I detest Bachmann far more...the point is if she has the numbers, and her brain dead constituents will provide them, she will be a formidable opponent
Bolded part is where you'd have to provide some evidence.
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palomino Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:33:38pm |
re: #12 SpaceJesus
sometimes, i honestly have no idea what albusteve is even talking about
It's OK...neither does he.
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austin_blue Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:33:43pm |
re: #3 Charles
A right winger who believes she should be submissive to her husband, and believes we're in the final days of the universe.
Yeah, let's give her the nuclear button!
What could go wrong?
Wait...what?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:33:50pm |
re: #33 albusteve
you over think it...too smart by half
Don't blame others if you can't render your own thoughts. We already went through this yesterday.
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Lidane Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:33:59pm |
re: #24 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
You mean the same buttmunches that elected dubya twice?
And who have since disowned Dubya for being a filthy librul.
Those are the same people picking the GOP nominee this time around. FSM help us all.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:34:05pm |
re: #30 albusteve
I detest Bachmann far more...the point is if she has the numbers, and her brain dead constituents will provide them, she will be a formidable opponent
"If she has the numbers"
You mean these numbers Steve?
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]
The ones that show Obama consistently leading her by double digits?
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:34:18pm |
re: #34 wrenchwench
Bolded part is where you'd have to provide some evidence.
I'm speculating...like everyone else
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:35:05pm |
re: #37 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Don't blame others if you can't render your own thoughts. We already went through this yesterday.
we did...you still are clueless...LOL!
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Lidane Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:35:32pm |
re: #39 jamesfirecat
"If she has the numbers"
You mean these numbers Steve?
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]
The ones that show Obama consistently leading her by double digits?
What's hilarious about those numbers is that Rasmussen has her losing by 22 points. LOL.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:35:56pm |
re: #32 HappyWarrior
Honestly, I can't see Bachmann being nominated let alone elected.
I actually agree with Steve to a point. Been saying it for many moons regarding Palin, especially when my side laughs and says they want her as the nominee. Whomever can convince the money interests they are the best to do their bidding will get the nom. These are people who elected Shrubya twice. They are capable of any level of stupidity.
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:37:04pm |
re: #39 jamesfirecat
"If she has the numbers"
You mean these numbers Steve?
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]
The ones that show Obama consistently leading her by double digits?
no, I mean the numbers that show up at the polls on election day....I take these people seriously
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:37:12pm |
re: #41 albusteve
we did...you still are clueless...LOL!
Well no, you decided to run away and not return.
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:38:13pm |
re: #45 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Well no, you decided to run away and not return.
you have no game...what's the point?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:38:47pm |
re: #38 Lidane
And who have since disowned Dubya for being a filthy librul.
Those are the same people picking the GOP nominee this time around. FSM help us all.
Yeah, some of whom think Sharron Angle, Carl Paladino, and Christine O'Donnell are valid candidates.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:38:49pm |
Carl Sagan --
How lucky we are to live in this time of extraordinary discovery and almost unimaginable technological achievement; the more we learn, the less we are sure of, except for one thing: somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
Michele Bachmann --
Dear invisible monster: we understand that you're going to come and rain waste and destruction down on the world and everything we enjoy, and that's totally okay because we deserve it because of the fags, and by the way, I'll fight to keep Jerry Jones' marginal tax rate from going up 3%, because I know that's the way You want things to be before you come and destroy us all with fire.
Or something like that.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:40:40pm |
re: #46 albusteve
you have no game...
Uh-huh. That's why you ran away. Sure it is.
Now go cling to your LGF sign-up date and pretend that's a valid argument. lol
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austin_blue Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:41:35pm |
re: #43 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I actually agree with Steve to a point. Been saying it for many moons regarding Palin, especially when my side laughs and says they want her as the nominee. Whomever can convince the money interests they are the best to do their bidding will get the nom. These are people who elected Shrubya twice. They are capable of any level of stupidity.
Be *very* afraid of Pointy Boots/Goodhair. You have no idea how much money he can mobilize.
"But hey, A_B, no one wants another R Guv from Texas this soon!"
No one? Wanna bet?
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:42:13pm |
Other than the Tea Party and Evangelicals which I realize are a big part of the Republican party, who else does Bachmann appeal to? Seems to me that her appeal is far too limited to be an effective national candidate. Honestly, I figure if someone stays in a house seat for a while, by and large it's because they realize their appeal is limited to their district. We've got a congressman here in Virginia, Jim Moran who's been here since 1990 far before either of our two Democratic senators were elected to any office. I think he realizes his appeal is limited statewide.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:42:37pm |
re: #44 albusteve
no, I mean the numbers that show up at the polls on election day...I take these people seriously
I take them seriously too Steve that said here's a glimpse into elections past....
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]
Final result of their polling?
Obama by 7.3
Final result of election?
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]
Obama by 7.2
Double digits leads in the polls don't turn into losses at the voting booth unless the polling data or the election is cooked....
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:42:39pm |
re: #50 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Uh-huh. That's why you ran away. Sure it is.
Now go cling to your LGF sign-up date and pretend that's a valid argument. lol
re-read that thread...I agreed with you
duh?....get a clue and stop the personal vendetta....it's got no juice
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:43:00pm |
LOL @ BO, donkbots, Amidol ... it's buzzword salad time again with Mr. cinched up old man pants.
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yoshicastmaster Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:44:05pm |
if the Lord chooses people, and therefore also doesn't choose people, why does he punish the unchosen for not having been chosen?
i feel like listening to bachmann's breathy wide-eyed prayers on youtube would be enough punishment....
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:44:37pm |
re: #53 jamesfirecat
I take them seriously too Steve that said here's a glimpse into elections past...
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]
Final result of their polling?
Obama by 7.3
Final result of election?
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]
Obama by 7.2
Double digits leads in the polls don't turn into losses at the voting booth unless the polling data or the election is cooked...
I'll tell you what...these people actually scare me, and I'm pretty unflappable...win or lose, Bachmann is a serious threat
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:45:14pm |
re: #51 austin_blue
Be *very* afraid of Pointy Boots/Goodhair. You have no idea how much money he can mobilize.
"But hey, A_B, no one wants another R Guv from Texas this soon!"
No one? Wanna bet?
Well the thing is, I'm not afraid of them, because they are afraid of *me*. Their fear/hate/rage/unchecked resentments at people like me is what drives them.
That's just on a personal level. On a broader level, my multiple communities have defeated far worse than any of them. So even if one of those were to become president, we have a long legacy behind us.
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wrenchwench Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:45:48pm |
Later, lizards.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:47:16pm |
re: #54 albusteve
re-read that thread...I agreed with you
duh?
You put words in my mouth to agree with, which I did not say, or even imply.
Snark at me, get snark right back, fella.
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:47:21pm |
re: #58 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Well the thing is, I'm not afraid of them, because they are afraid of *me*. Their fear/hate/rage/unchecked resentments at people like me is what drives them.
That's just on a personal level. On a broader level, my multiple communities have defeated far worse than any of them. So even if one of those were to become president, we have a long legacy behind us.
meanwhile they are passing legislation at break neck speed...trashing women, gays and minorities...it's the real deal and all your bravado will not stop them
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:48:28pm |
I had a long 9 hour drive yesterday, Sunday. I spent a good part of it listening to very similar stuff, some of it very apocalyptic, (and anti gay) on the radio.
Who needs to read the bible when one can learn it so well just by turning on the radio?
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:48:44pm |
re: #60 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
You put words in my mouth to agree with, which I did not say, or even imply.
Snark at me, get snark right back, fella.
do you think the GOP hates BO for his race?...I do
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:50:21pm |
re: #52 HappyWarrior
Other than the Tea Party and Evangelicals which I realize are a big part of the Republican party, who else does Bachmann appeal to? Seems to me that her appeal is far too limited to be an effective national candidate. Honestly, I figure if someone stays in a house seat for a while, by and large it's because they realize their appeal is limited to their district. We've got a congressman here in Virginia, Jim Moran who's been here since 1990 far before either of our two Democratic senators were elected to any office. I think he realizes his appeal is limited statewide.
I look at it this way - I believe there are enough rabid anti-Obama Rs that would vote for something like that, given the choice. The other part of the equation is the anti-Obama lefties. I expect an assault on certain D voting communities to try and get us to stay home, regardless of who is on the R ticket.
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windsagio Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:50:30pm |
re: #50 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Steve always runs away if you really corner him, its part of the whole deal.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:51:39pm |
re: #63 albusteve
do you think the GOP hates BO for his race?...I do
That's precisely where you ran away and decided not to return. I asked you why you felt that, based on what.
I have never said that, and no I do not feel it is that cut and dried.
So don't ever claim you agree with me when you don't even know my position on the issue, again.
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kirkspencer Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:51:57pm |
Money. second quarter, Romney raised $18 million. In comparison, Bachmann raised 4.2 million - with two caveats.
Caveat one: it was only one month. But don't multiply by three yet. See, 2.2 million of it came from her congressional warchest. So her working comparative for the second quarter is $8.2 million.
That puts her double anyone but Romney. She's still less than half his even with monkeying with the numbers.
Detail Polls. The Opening Four. Bachmann leads Iowa. She trails Romney by less than the margin of error in New Hampshire, but still trails. She trails Romney by double digits in both Nevada and South Carolina.
Overall polls. Romney leads Bachmann by just over the margin of error. The thing that has to frighten all the candidates is that as of yet nobody has broken the 30% line. That's a significant psychological barrier. In my opinion, the fact Romney hasn't broken it despite being (besides Huntsman) the only anti-Tea Bag candidate means he probably can't win.
However, we're back to asking what portion of the Republican party belongs to the Tea Baggers. If they're the majority and they consolidate behind one candidate, that one wins. If they're not the majority or they can't consolidate, we see a fun time at the convention.
From what I can see at this time, I'm thinking the convention is going to be entertaining.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:52:22pm |
re: #63 albusteve
do you think the GOP hates BO for his race?...I do
I give more weight to his unconventional background. It sound furriner.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:52:27pm |
re: #65 windsagio
Steve always runs away if you really corner him, its part of the whole deal.
Then tries to pretend the problem is with you. lol
I know the type well.
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:53:10pm |
re: #65 windsagio
Steve always runs away if you really corner him, its part of the whole deal.
LOL!...when?...I have to piss and eat like anybody...when?...you are such a soft target i almost feel guilty asking you to back up your claim...but you have allies now so give it a try...I never backed down from a fight, ever....bring it on
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:53:58pm |
re: #66 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
That's precisely where you ran away and decided not to return. I asked you why you felt that, based on what.
I have never said that, and no I do not feel it is that cut and dried.
So don't ever claim you agree with me when you don't even know my position on the issue, again.
sure, no problem
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:55:22pm |
re: #61 albusteve
meanwhile they are passing legislation at break neck speed...trashing women, gays and minorities...it's the real deal and all your bravado will not stop them
Reread the post, pls. My personal bravado is irrelevant. Who cares if I have bravado or not?
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:56:18pm |
WARNING!....
my time is limited here for a bit...I need to feed myself
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:56:31pm |
re: #67 kirkspencer
Money. second quarter, Romney raised $18 million. In comparison, Bachmann raised 4.2 million - with two caveats.
Caveat one: it was only one month. But don't multiply by three yet. See, 2.2 million of it came from her congressional warchest. So her working comparative for the second quarter is $8.2 million.
That puts her double anyone but Romney. She's still less than half his even with monkeying with the numbers.
Detail Polls. The Opening Four. Bachmann leads Iowa. She trails Romney by less than the margin of error in New Hampshire, but still trails. She trails Romney by double digits in both Nevada and South Carolina.
Overall polls. Romney leads Bachmann by just over the margin of error. The thing that has to frighten all the candidates is that as of yet nobody has broken the 30% line. That's a significant psychological barrier. In my opinion, the fact Romney hasn't broken it despite being (besides Huntsman) the only anti-Tea Bag candidate means he probably can't win.
However, we're back to asking what portion of the Republican party belongs to the Tea Baggers. If they're the majority and they consolidate behind one candidate, that one wins. If they're not the majority or they can't consolidate, we see a fun time at the convention.
From what I can see at this time, I'm thinking the convention is going to be entertaining.
I think the fact that Romeny hasn't managed to pull away says everything that needs to be said about what percent of the modern Republican Base is made up of tea party people.
As the crazy candidates fall by the shore I think we will see the crazies unite behind someone who will clobber Romney as the flip flopping patrician from Massachusetts that he is.
If Romney doesn't win it will be yet more proof how radically the GOP has transformed since whatever you may say about Romney it doubtlessly is "his turn" considering he came in second/third to McCain and Huckabee isn't running this year.
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dragonfire1981 Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:56:38pm |
It's not so much who Bachmann appeals to but how loudly and effectively the right can sound the "Obama is bad for the economy" bell.
I am telling you during election season the GOP is going to throw away the social conservatism stuff and pound away on Obama/debt/economy. They are counting on voter frustration over the economy to take them to victory.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:57:05pm |
re: #71 albusteve
So you feel the GOP hates Obama for his race. What do you base that on?
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:57:36pm |
re: #72 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Reread the post, pls. My personal bravado is irrelevant. Who cares if I have bravado or not?
I was nothing less than honest with you...your problem with me is unfounded...and entertaining
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Four More Tears Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:57:40pm |
O'Donnell is reporting that the News Corp board is voting on elevating the COO to CEO if Murdoch has to go.
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windsagio Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:57:45pm |
re: #75 dragonfire1981
The problem is that they're too busy torpedoing the economy to keep from raising taxes to really get behind the ball on that one.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:57:55pm |
re: #75 dragonfire1981
It's not so much who Bachmann appeals to but how loudly and effectively the right can sound the "Obama is bad for the economy" bell.
I am telling you during election season the GOP is going to throw away the social conservatism stuff and pound away on Obama/debt/economy. They are counting on voter frustration over the economy to take them to victory.
Bah, you saw what happened to the guy who suggested a truce on social issues didn't you?
All aboard the Socon train, next stop Theocracy Junction!
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 5:57:55pm |
re: #73 albusteve
WARNING!...
my time is limited here for a bit...I need to feed myself
Do you have time to answer this q? [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:00:13pm |
re: #76 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
So you feel the GOP hates Obama for his race. What do you base that on?
hundreds of posts here involving many right wing blogs posted here by CJ...it is no secret or even disputable...what's your take?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:00:40pm |
re: #77 albusteve
I was nothing less than honest with you...your problem with me is unfounded...and entertaining
I haven't made this personal, nor did I make yesterday's little tiff personal. You did the minute you decided to cram you own words in my mouth.
Generally, people do not respond well to that, so you shouldn't expect me to, either.
But hey, if you're entertained, do stick around, though you might find yourself disappointed every so often.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:02:30pm |
re: #82 albusteve
hundreds of posts here involving many right wing blogs posted here by CJ...it is no secret or even disputable...what's your take?
My take is they hate him a lot more than just race, as are said posts by CJ and rwnj blogs.
Frankly, I don't believe your own take is that simple. Why did you presume mine is?
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Four More Tears Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:02:32pm |
Speaking of the esteemed Martian Representative...
Bachmann criticizes black farmer settlement
OMAHA, Neb. (AP) -- Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann pointed to one program in particular Monday when talking about wasteful government spending: a multibillion dollar settlement paid to black farmers, who claim the federal government discriminated against them for decades in awarding loans and other aid.
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:03:15pm |
re: #83 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I haven't made this personal, nor did I make yesterday's little tiff personal. You did the minute you decided to cram you own words in my mouth.
Generally, people do not respond well to that, so you shouldn't expect me to, either.
But hey, if you're entertained, do stick around, though you might find yourself disappointed every so often.
I've been here for years...my point of view has never wavered, and sometimes I agree with the consensus...many people hate BO because he's black
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:03:23pm |
re: #74 jamesfirecat
I wonder if there are not many long time elected Republicans, pre Tea Party, who have real concerns about where their party is going and if they will be able to be anything but rubber stamp flunkies in the future.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:04:13pm |
re: #84 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
My take is they hate him a lot more than just race, as are said posts by CJ and rwnj blogs.
Wheee, pimf!
My take is they hate him for a lot more than just race, as said posts by CJ and rwnj blogs are about a lot more than that.
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windsagio Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:05:12pm |
re: #87 Naso Tang
I always kind of think they're kicking themselves.
The crazies were such a useful influence/vote-getting tools for so many decades, but its really scary for the guards when the inmates start to take over the asylum.
Thats my answer to the OCIHACOSP/steve thing too. Its not that they hate him for his race, but rather that they find hating on his race a useful political tool.
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kirkspencer Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:06:43pm |
re: #74 jamesfirecat
Possibly -- which sets up another dynamic. What proportion of Romney voters will refuse the Tea Party candidate in the general? I know it depends in part on who actually wins (Perry keeps more than Bachmann, for example). It will still be a factor.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:07:15pm |
re: #86 albusteve
I've been here for years...
So you've told me /yawn
my point of view has never wavered, and sometimes I agree with the consensus...many people hate BO because he's black
Uh-huh. So in your world, the entire GOP hates him because he is black.
I know you think everyone else around you is really dumb. But I don't believe you think even I'm that dumb. Lol please.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:07:47pm |
I honestly had no idea Bachmann was that competitive with Mitt in the early states like New Hampshire and Iowa. I think Mitt's problem is that he's too patrician and he does of course also have a moderate record for all his conservative rhetoric. The guy really confuses me since he keeps on moving more and more to the right in each election he runs for. I remember reading in a biography of Ted Kennedy that he tried to say he would be more progressive then Ted on GLBT issues and of course a few of his judiciary picks in Massachusetts ruled in favor of legalizing same sex marriage so his judiciary picks don't seem to be the "strict constructionists" that the GOP base drools for.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:08:21pm |
re: #90 kirkspencer
Possibly -- which sets up another dynamic. What proportion of Romney voters will refuse the Tea Party candidate in the general? I know it depends in part on who actually wins (Perry keeps more than Bachmann, for example). It will still be a factor.
Not sure, but when Candidate Bachmann is going head to head against Obama on November 4th, I'll have to resist the urge to drive to Chicago so that I can offer Dark Falcon a friendly smile, hearty handshake and probably the drink he'll be wanting after he casts a vote to reelect Obama...
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:08:49pm |
re: #91 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
So you've told me /yawn
Uh-huh. So in your world, the entire GOP hates him because he is black.
I know you think everyone else around you is really dumb. But I don't believe you think even I'm that dumb. Lol please.
I didn't insinuate anybody was dumb except GOP voters...you are getting boring...is this your A Game?
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ProBosniaLiberal Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:10:55pm |
re: #93 jamesfirecat
I think Perry has a shot two.
I think the primary (no pun intended) competitors are Bachmann, Romney and probably Perry fairly soon.
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kirkspencer Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:11:46pm |
re: #75 dragonfire1981
It's not so much who Bachmann appeals to but how loudly and effectively the right can sound the "Obama is bad for the economy" bell.
I am telling you during election season the GOP is going to throw away the social conservatism stuff and pound away on Obama/debt/economy. They are counting on voter frustration over the economy to take them to victory.
I've said it before, I'll repeat it numerous times. The Republicans are playing brinksmanship and a lot of them have undercut the cliff edge. They've done it by insisting that Democrats and others are wrong, that failing to raise the ceiling won't cause economic disruption.
The 'sane' Republicans want to dance a narrow ledge, where the economy remains fairly flat but they don't fall off the deep end. As long as they can manage it, Obama gets the blame (and blame there will be). If they fall off the edge, however, thanks to their hard core loudmouths the Republicans will own the blame.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:11:55pm |
re: #94 albusteve
I didn't insinuate anybody was dumb except GOP voters...you are getting boring...is this your A Game?
Go to Urban Dictionary and get yourself some new insults. Those are old.
You purport to agree with me that "all GOP voters hate him for his race", or whatever. Even though I've never said anything like that, didn't say it yesterday, and it's not what I think.
Why would you do that?
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ProBosniaLiberal Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:12:35pm |
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windsagio Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:13:29pm |
re: #92 HappyWarrior
I think there are pressures inside those established political families that we can't really understand.
He's gotta feel SO much pressure to become president no matter what, but he keeps getting his ass primaried.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:14:29pm |
re: #62 Naso Tang
I had a long 9 hour drive yesterday, Sunday. I spent a good part of it listening to very similar stuff, some of it very apocalyptic, (and anti gay) on the radio.
Who needs to read the bible when one can learn it so well just by turning on the radio?
Er...you might find better teachers elsewhere.
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:14:58pm |
re: #97 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Go to Urban Dictionary and get yourself some new insults. Those are old.
You purport to agree with me that "all GOP voters hate him for his race", or whatever. Even though I've never said anything like that, didn't say it yesterday, and it's not what I think.
Why would you do that?
I didn't say that...reading comprehension and all that
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austin_blue Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:15:11pm |
re: #92 HappyWarrior
I honestly had no idea Bachmann was that competitive with Mitt in the early states like New Hampshire and Iowa. I think Mitt's problem is that he's too patrician and he does of course also have a moderate record for all his conservative rhetoric. The guy really confuses me since he keeps on moving more and more to the right in each election he runs for. I remember reading in a biography of Ted Kennedy that he tried to say he would be more progressive then Ted on GLBT issues and of course a few of his judiciary picks in Massachusetts ruled in favor of legalizing same sex marriage so his judiciary picks don't seem to be the "strict constructionists" that the GOP base drools for.
The problem with Mitt is that he is The Whitest Man in America With a Telephone Pole Up His Ass. And he has magic underwear.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:15:43pm |
re: #99 windsagio
I think there are pressures inside those established political families that we can't really understand.
He's gotta feel SO much pressure to become president no matter what, but he keeps getting his ass primaried.
I think so too. Believe I read his father's national ambitions were ruined after he said he was brainwashed to have supported Vietnam. Now, from what I read it was taken a little out of context but it's a soundbyte world. From what I've read on the elder Romney, I like him more than his son. Seemed like a guy who cared more about what was right than appealing to a fringe element. Plus, I think my grandfather probably knew him sine his job at the NLRB dealt with GM alot and I know for a fact he knew Walter Reuther of UAW fame.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:16:24pm |
re: #63 albusteve
do you think the GOP hates BO for his race?...I do
I think race is an additional factor in all of this, not the root cause. I think most of these folks identified the Democrats and 'liberals' as fundamentally evil long before it looked like Barack Obama was going to take the nomination. Or had been heard of much.
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jvic Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:17:32pm |
1. Metaphor Mixing Michele sez: While a fig tree is blossoming, the Lord is calling sheep and harvesting a garden. Got it.
2. To expand on my comments a few days ago:
Bachmann is a flake; Palin is a fake; Huckabee's a snake.
Perry is a dangerous man.
3. OT: The NYT has a panel debate about the Texas economy. Some statements are in line with what's been said at LGF.
4. When I come to LGF to blow off steam about the GOP, Bachmann & Palin come immediately to mind. But note that in their, ah, characteristic fashion, the Republicans are moving toward nominating serious nonwhite and/or nonmale national candidates. Sooner or later.
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windsagio Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:18:05pm |
re: #103 HappyWarrior
Romney and Gore are actually shockingly similar.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:19:05pm |
re: #102 austin_blue
The problem with Mitt is that he is The Whitest Man in America With a Telephone Pole Up His Ass. And he has magic underwear.
I don't think the whiteness is an issue. The underwear, yes.
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kirkspencer Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:19:07pm |
re: #95 ProLifeLiberal
I think Perry has a shot two.
I think the primary (no pun intended) competitors are Bachmann, Romney and probably Perry fairly soon.
Perry and Palin are playing delayed entry games. Until they declare they've got mechanisms that keep a lot of money out of sight.
The risk, for both, is that they wait too long. There's a hard deadline sometime in November, after which they quit being eligible for some ballots. The practical deadline is sometime between now and then. I think Palin's got about a week, maybe two, while her movie is still news. I think Perry's last serious opportunity is the week following his prayerfest.
If neither has declared by the 12th of August I'm considering them distractions to the main event. I'm on the edge of doing that now, except both are close to Bachmann's numbers when they're added to the polls. Yes, that's Romney in the lead with just over 25, Bachmann getting a bit under 25, Palin and Perry each getting a bit under 20, and everyone else is in RPaul territory or less.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:19:25pm |
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Kragar Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:19:51pm |
re: #3 Charles
A right winger who believes she should be submissive to her husband, and believes we're in the final days of the universe.
Yeah, let's give her the nuclear button!
What could possibly go wrong?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:20:00pm |
re: #106 jvic
1. Metaphor Mixing Michele sez: While a fig tree is blossoming, the Lord is calling sheep and harvesting a garden. Got it.
.
What, you think the Lord can't multitask?
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:20:50pm |
re: #107 windsagio
Romney and Gore are actually shockingly similar.
That's not a bad comp honest. I'd say John Kerry though since in fairness to Gore he did capture the popular vote and I think a lot more people were voting for him than against his opponent which was the case with Kerry and I think would be with Romney if he were nominated.
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jaunte Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:20:59pm |
re: #106 jvic
They're still having a problem with the "serious" part.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:21:07pm |
re: #99 windsagio
I think there are pressures inside those established political families that we can't really understand.
He's gotta feel SO much pressure to become president no matter what, but he keeps getting his ass primaried.
I agree.
I tried to make that point once re: Al Gore and his withdrawal from political life being something good for him (and one reason he's more likeable, IMO, as a non-politician than he was a politician), and was roundly excoriated for it. But it's a good point, and I agree with you.
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jvic Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:21:58pm |
re: #112 SanFranciscoZionist
What, you think the Lord can't multitask?
Three divine persons. Forgot my catechism. My bad.
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windsagio Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:23:01pm |
re: #113 HappyWarrior
my point was more that they're both from these deeply political families and basically ruined their own lives and in some cases beliefs in order to try to 'win'.
Reine's point it right on, Gore is happier for being retired, I bet Romney would be too.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:23:10pm |
re: #101 albusteve
I didn't say that...reading comprehension and all that
For you, I recommend a remedial course. That's what the "or whatever" was there for.
Your actual words (there are also other quotes like it): #63 "do you think the GOP hates BO for his race?...I do"
Well, I don't.
Next time, find out what I actually think before purporting to agree with it, then acting like the problem is with me when I correct you.
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austin_blue Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:24:08pm |
re: #118 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
For you, I recommend a remedial course. That's what the "or whatever" was there for.
Your actual words (there are also other quotes like it): #63 "do you think the GOP hates BO for his race?...I do"
Well, I don't.
Next time, find out what I actually think before purporting to agree with it, then acting like the problem is with me when I correct you.
Oh, snap, bitch!
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PhillyPretzel Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:24:15pm |
Very sad news for bookworms. Borders is closing the remaining stores. My page [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Kragar Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:24:39pm |
re: #112 SanFranciscoZionist
What, you think the Lord can't multitask?
Hell, he could barely get out of one geographic region of Earth for centuries.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:24:52pm |
re: #120 PhillyPretzel
Very sad news for bookworms. Borders is closing the remaining stores. My page [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Sucks. I always thought they had a good history selection.
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Boyo Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:25:07pm |
re: #118 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
trapped in the Albuquerque vortex and handling it well I see :)
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jvic Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:26:11pm |
re: #114 jaunte
They're still having a problem with the "serious" part.
The elephant is not a nimble beast.
And, unfortunately, there are valid reasons why the GOP is called the Stupid Party.
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PhillyPretzel Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:27:22pm |
re: #122 HappyWarrior
They closed their store in King of Prussia Mall and now Borders will be a memory. Well maybe we might see a few more independents opening a few stores.
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engineer cat Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:27:28pm |
perry boom coming soon
not to put too fine a point on it: he's a moron
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Kragar Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:27:40pm |
re: #124 jvic
The elephant is not a nimble beast.
And, unfortunately, there are valid reasons why the GOP is called the Stupid Party.
HERESY! Confess your sins to a bust of Saint Reagan at once!
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:28:15pm |
re: #126 engineer dog
perry boom coming soon
not to put too fine a point on it: he's a moron
Then I would not be surprised to see him get the R nomination, not in the least lol
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jaunte Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:29:13pm |
re: #126 engineer dog
He'll have a hard time convincing the whole country to secede.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:29:17pm |
re: #114 jaunte
They're still having a problem with the "serious" part.
If he wanted to be taken seriously he'd change his name to something that doesn't sound like an incantation from a 12th century alchemy manual.
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jvic Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:29:45pm |
re: #108 SanFranciscoZionist
I don't think the whiteness is an issue. The underwear, yes.
Which, 50+ years after the election of John F. Kennedy, is a sad commentary.
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jaunte Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:31:21pm |
re: #130 Killgore Trout
"Sorceror's apprentices must reince preibus before handling Incunabula."
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:31:57pm |
re: #131 jvic
Which, 50+ years after the election of John F. Kennedy, is a sad commentary.
Yeah although I'd wager a large part of it is the same bunch that hated Kennedy's Catholicism.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:32:06pm |
re: #125 PhillyPretzel
They closed their store in King of Prussia Mall and now Borders will be a memory. Well maybe we might see a few more independents opening a few stores.
Yeah, I was encountering a going out of business one whenever I would go in to see my optometrist. Enjoyed the sales they had of course but still a shame. I do like the indy/used ones. One of my prized posessions is the Gulag Archipelago trilogy I got for under five bcuks at one.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:32:07pm |
re: #130 Killgore Trout
If he wanted to be taken seriously he'd change his name to something that doesn't sound like an incantation from a 12th century alchemy manual.
Every time I hear his name I picture Dumbledore jabbing his wand at someone and casting a spell.
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Kragar Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:32:38pm |
re: #129 jaunte
He'll have a hard time convincing the whole country to secede.
I love that people working so hard to bring about a theocratic run state are screaming bloody murder about the dangers of a theocratic run state.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:33:31pm |
Good news: Buddy Roemer 2012 presidential campaign to formally launch Thursday
The GOP gets more beatable every day.
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engineer cat Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:33:39pm |
if they run perry/bachmann 2012, perry will make bachmann look smart, and bachmann will make perry look sane
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:33:39pm |
re: #136 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I love that people working so hard to bring about a theocratic run state are screaming bloody murder about the dangers of a theocratic run state.
They only hate Islam because it's the competition.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:33:41pm |
re: #136 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I love that people working so hard to bring about a theocratic run state are screaming bloody murder about the dangers of a theocratic run state.
Dude, it's creeping...!
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austin_blue Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:33:45pm |
re: #126 engineer dog
perry boom coming soon
not to put too fine a point on it: he's a moron
No, he's not. He is tremendous on the stump and has never lost an election. He *plays* a populist moron extremely well. He's crafty, calculating, and brutally effective. He tore Kay Bailey Hutchinson to pieces last year in the R Primary for Guv. Do *not* underestimate this guy. He's hard as nails.
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The Ghost of a Flea Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:34:09pm |
re: #104 SanFranciscoZionist
I think race is an additional factor in all of this, not the root cause. I think most of these folks identified the Democrats and 'liberals' as fundamentally evil long before it looked like Barack Obama was going to take the nomination. Or had been heard of much.
Obama encapsulates a lot of elements that TP people seem to respond badly to--this impression is compounded by the fact that the TP seem to encompass a Wittgensteinian family of ideas that all deal with constrained definitions of "real" American-ness: it's not that every TP person has the identical issues, but that in summa Obama hits many, many seperate criterion for being an acceptable target for griefing.
I personally get the impression that TP-type people have responded most negatively to his connections to other parts of the world...via his father's nationality, via his mother's academic and personal activities overseas, and Obama's childhood in Indonesia (and to certain extent, Hawaii, which is one of the US regions that is still viewed as culturally very "other"). When you consider how often TP rhetoric cites American exceptionalism in one form or another, the correllary is that excessive interest or exposure to other cultures is contaminating...or at very least suggestive that maybe you don't believe that America really is unequivocally #1 in everything.
None of this is to say there's no animus directed towards him due to race: Obama and family get dinged for any perceived display of "blackness" (in the African-American culture sense)--AA culture being one of those liminal "not fully American" categories in TP eyes--but Obama, as a biracial person, also gets flak for inauthentic or insufficient blackness. More ugly is how often I hear dogwhistles about OBH's mom's interracial marriages (and particularly how they didn't work out). So yeah, racism as a subset of xenophobia is also an issue.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:34:11pm |
re: #131 jvic
Which, 50+ years after the election of John F. Kennedy, is a sad commentary.
People don't understand what Kennedy did. In this last year or so, I've heard both Sarah Palin and Rick Santorum sadly shake their heads over dumb ol' liberal Kennedy saying that his personal beliefs weren't part of his candidacy. In Santorum's case, it's especially moronic.
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Kragar Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:34:43pm |
re: #135 JasonA
Every time I hear his name I picture Dumbledore jabbing his wand at someone and casting a spell.
Expecto Patronum!
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:34:57pm |
re: #136 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I love that people working so hard to bring about a theocratic run state are screaming bloody murder about the dangers of a theocratic run state.
They're not against theocracy, they're against the other guys running it.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:35:55pm |
re: #137 Killgore Trout
Good news: Buddy Roemer 2012 presidential campaign to formally launch Thursday
The GOP gets more beatable every day.
No kidding.
When he ran for governor, I remember thinking he sounded just like Jimmy Carter. And he wasn't much of a governor IIRC - one term only, and usually, they all get a 2nd term unless they're really really awful.
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jvic Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:36:08pm |
re: #133 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Yeah although I'd wager a large part of it is the same bunch that hated Kennedy's Catholicism.
Not only are they still around, but their power might be growing instead of declining.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:36:17pm |
re: #132 jaunte
"Sorceror's apprentices must reince preibus before handling Incunabula."
No reince preibus, phallus infectus.
/Old roman proverb
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ProBosniaLiberal Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:36:52pm |
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:37:34pm |
re: #146 reine.de.tout
No kidding.
When he ran for governor, I remember thinking he sounded just like Jimmy Carter. And he wasn't much of a governor IIRC - one term only, and usually, they all get a 2nd term unless they're really really awful.
I had to google him, never heard of him before but I instantly like anyone named Buddy. Sounds so friendly.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:38:56pm |
Was it Roemer or Edwin Edwards who famously said don't get caught wit ha live boy or dead girl. Want to say it was Edwards but not 100%.
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The Ghost of a Flea Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:39:57pm |
re: #130 Killgore Trout
If he wanted to be taken seriously he'd change his name to something that doesn't sound like an incantation from a 12th century alchemy manual.
Bravo, sir.
I personally think his names sounds like an obscure fencing move invented by Liechtenaeur.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:40:19pm |
re: #149 ProLifeLiberal
Buddy Roemer?
The name doesn't ring a bell.
Former governor of Louisiana.
Brief bio:
Buddy Roemer was born on October 4, 1943, in Shreveport[6] to Charles E. "Budgie" Roemer II[2][7][8] and the former Adeline McDade.[9]
. . .
He was reared on the Scopena plantation near Bossier City.[10] He attended public schools and graduated as valedictorian of Bossier High School in 1960. He graduated from Harvard College in 1964 and received an MBA degree from Harvard Business School in 1967.After college, Roemer returned to Louisiana to work in his father’s computer business and later founded two banks. He was elected in 1972 as a delegate to the Louisiana Constitutional Convention held in 1973.[11] Among the Shreveport-area delegates who served with Roemer was his future gubernatorial advisor Robert G. Pugh, future U.S. District Judge Tom Stagg, and former Louisiana State Representative Frank Fulco.
Roemer's father had been Edwin Washington Edwards' campaign manager in 1971, and became commissioner of administration during Edwards' first term as governor. Buddy Roemer worked on the Edwards campaign as a regional leader and later started a political consulting firm. In 1981, Charles Roemer, II, was imprisoned, along with mobster Carlos Marcello, as a result of the BriLab investigation on charges of conspiring to sell influence in the awarding of state insurance contracts. Roemer blamed Edwards for his father’s legal troubles. Three others, including Aubrey W. Young, a former aide to Governor John J. McKeithen, were acquitted in the case.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:40:36pm |
re: #152 HappyWarrior
Was it Roemer or Edwin Edwards who famously said don't get caught wit ha live boy or dead girl. Want to say it was Edwards but not 100%.
Edwards.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:41:19pm |
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:41:23pm |
re: #155 reine.de.tout
Edwards.
He said there was no way he (Edwards) could fail to be elected unless he was caught with a live boy or a dead girl.
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jaunte Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:41:43pm |
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Kragar Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:42:02pm |
re: #145 SanFranciscoZionist
They're not against theocracy, they're against the other guys running it.
They both keep getting in my way. Dirty heretics.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:42:05pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:42:17pm |
re: #157 reine.de.tout
Though it is an accurate description, gosh I hate that line.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:43:10pm |
re: #142 The Ghost of a Flea
None of this is to say there's no animus directed towards him due to race: Obama and family get dinged for any perceived display of "blackness" (in the African-American culture sense)--AA culture being one of those liminal "not fully American" categories in TP eyes--but Obama, as a biracial person, also gets flak for inauthentic or insufficient blackness. More ugly is how often I hear dogwhistles about OBH's mom's interracial marriages (and particularly how they didn't work out). So yeah, racism as a subset of xenophobia is also an issue.
Ghost, you know I luv ya but I have to call MBF on this one.
Whatever authenticity troubles Obama might have do not translate to the polls. Remember: the GOTP has been furious that we won't vote en masse for any of their candidates, for the past 40 years. The numbers didn't change all that much with the '08 election, and it's easy to speculate they wouldn't have, had Hillary gotten the nomination.
We'll never see a Black Tea Party, waving Obama-is-a-high-yella pickets or demanding to return the good old days when anti-miscegenation statutes were the law. :P
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:44:55pm |
re: #143 SanFranciscoZionist
People don't understand what Kennedy did. In this last year or so, I've heard both Sarah Palin and Rick Santorum sadly shake their heads over dumb ol' liberal Kennedy saying that his personal beliefs weren't part of his candidacy. In Santorum's case, it's especially moronic.
I think it's dumb for anyone really. It really amazes me that we have people like Santorum and Palin out there who fail to see that it's a wonderful thing that we have church and state separated. For all the descendants this country has of religious minorities that came here because of persecution it baffles me. It is interesting that in the past that religious people were some of the most ardent champions of separation of church and state but their descendants like Santorum/Palin condemn it.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:45:09pm |
re: #154 reine.de.tout
Former governor of Louisiana.
Brief bio:
Has the dubious distinction of beating out David Duke in a runoff.
Nice going, Louisiana /eyeroll
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theheat Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:45:16pm |
re: #160 SanFranciscoZionist
Should'a been a JRT. But I'll take Chihuahua.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:45:27pm |
re: #151 Iwouldprefernotto
What is a Johovah God?
I've been trying to figure out what that means myself.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:45:58pm |
Hey all, here for a short while.
Are we ever going to be rid of Michelle Bachman from the public forum? Is it the "end-days" of that???
How is everyone?
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theheat Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:46:33pm |
re: #151 Iwouldprefernotto
Double top secret fundiespeak. Fortunately, they can decode each other's madness.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:46:57pm |
re: #157 reine.de.tout
He said there was no way he (Edwards) could fail to be elected unless he was caught with a live boy or a dead girl.
There is a scene in one of Robert Tannenbaum's novels, riffing on that, where the narrator comments that the candidate for DA is going to win unless he's caught in a public toilet in Central Park with an underage, male, Republican prostitute between now and the election.
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jvic Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:47:21pm |
re: #164 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Has the dubious distinction of beating out David Duke in a runoff.
Nice going, Louisiana /eyeroll
Supposedly there were bumpers stickers saying, "Vote for the crook. It's important."
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:47:40pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:47:44pm |
re: #163 HappyWarrior
I think it's dumb for anyone really. It really amazes me that we have people like Santorum and Palin out there who fail to see that it's a wonderful thing that we have church and state separated. For all the descendants this country has of religious minorities that came here because of persecution it baffles me. It is interesting that in the past that religious people were some of the most ardent champions of separation of church and state but their descendants like Santorum/Palin condemn it.
Santorum thinks these people think he's a Christian.
Dumbass.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:47:53pm |
re: #164 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Has the dubious distinction of beating out David Duke in a runoff.
Nice going, Louisiana /eyeroll
Woohoo, pimf twofer, today - that was Edwards.
Still, nice going, Louisiana. /eyeroll
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:48:43pm |
re: #171 ggt
I've always heard that the best front-line home defense is a dog. . .
Bet you didn't think that miniatures also worked.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:49:54pm |
re: #100 SanFranciscoZionist
Er...you might find better teachers elsewhere.
Missed the sarc, did you? I thought you knew me better than that; or did I miss yours?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:50:11pm |
re: #155 reine.de.tout
Edwards.
You're right. Edwards has that dubious distinction.
As do the early 90s R voters of Louisiana :/
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:50:16pm |
re: #172 SanFranciscoZionist
Santorum thinks these people think he's a Christian.
Dumbass.
Heh yeah, even though I am pretty much a non practicing Catholic, it disgusts me when Catholics like him, Keyes, and others pander to that nonsense.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:50:36pm |
re: #171 ggt
I've always heard that the best front-line home defense is a dog. . .
Our German Shepherd-wolf mutt once ran off a guy who'd cornered my mom while she was out walking the dog.
She said he bared his teeth and then made a sound she had never heard before.
The guy was high as a kite, but apparently still in touch enough with reality to realize that challenging the German Shepherd-wolf mix was a poor idea. He left.
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HoosierHoops Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:51:16pm |
re: #171 ggt
I've always heard that the best front-line home defense is a dog. . .
Not Winston.. He'd lick a robber to death.. He is useless as a guard to the house.. Winston's first move is to jump on his back and expect a belly rub
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:51:25pm |
re: #175 Naso Tang
Missed the sarc, did you? I thought you knew me better than that; or did I miss yours?
Mine. Sort of. More jovial side-comment than genuine sarc.
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engineer cat Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:52:36pm |
re: #158 jaunte
I wondered about that; it may just be a pleonasm.
i heard that thespians often have multiple pleonasms
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:53:17pm |
re: #179 HoosierHoops
Not Winston.. He'd lick a robber to death.. He is useless as a guard to the house.. Winston's first move is to jump on his back and expect a belly rub
My dad always used to say of that same beloved Shepherd-wolf mix that he'd fight to death to protect anyone in the house, but any friendly burglar with a pound of salami could probably have walked off with anything in the house he fancied.
Luckily, we didn't have a lot worth stealing...
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:53:30pm |
re: #174 SanFranciscoZionist
Bet you didn't think that miniatures also worked.
Oh no, I've met one or two that were freakin' scary when they wanted to be. You can't catch em' or kick em' or much less shoot em'. Quick and bright!
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:53:47pm |
re: #172 SanFranciscoZionist
Santorum thinks these people think he's a Christian.
Dumbass.
100 years ago, me and him would have been called the same names. Or similar.
Who these people think they are kidding is beyond me.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:54:20pm |
re: #178 SanFranciscoZionist
Our German Shepherd-wolf mutt once ran off a guy who'd cornered my mom while she was out walking the dog.
She said he bared his teeth and then made a sound she had never heard before.
The guy was high as a kite, but apparently still in touch enough with reality to realize that challenging the German Shepherd-wolf mix was a poor idea. He left.
Dogs can smell stuff we can't even imagine. They know . . . .
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jaunte Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:54:52pm |
re: #181 engineer dog
They're just putting on a major big act.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:56:01pm |
re: #181 engineer dog
i heard that thespians often have multiple pleonasms
Cool. A new word learned.
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The Ghost of a Flea Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:56:12pm |
re: #162 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Ghost, you know I luv ya but I have to call MBF on this one.
Whatever authenticity troubles Obama might have do not translate to the polls. Remember: the GOTP has been furious that we won't vote en masse for any of their candidates, for the past 40 years. The numbers didn't change all that much with the '08 election, and it's easy to speculate they wouldn't have, had Hillary gotten the nomination.
We'll never see a Black Tea Party, waving Obama-is-a-high-yella pickets or demanding to return the good old days when anti-miscegenation statutes were the law. :P
I wasn't really thinking about polling, rather, the sort of amorphous body of critiques Obama receives that relate to cultural/racial issues.
I guess I would further add--perhaps ironing out the MBF--that the GOP's use of "other" versus "American" isn't constrained to cultural/racial issues, and long before Obama came on the scene different varieties of othering have been used for the same tactical effect.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:58:08pm |
re: #179 HoosierHoops
Not Winston.. He'd lick a robber to death.. He is useless as a guard to the house.. Winston's first move is to jump on his back and expect a belly rub
Well, Winston loves you more than he loves himself. He will protect you, those are his instincts. I have faith in Winston!
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Kragar Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:58:17pm |
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:58:28pm |
re: #176 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
You're right. Edwards has that dubious distinction.
As do the early 90s R voters of Louisiana :/
Well, the D voters as well (Edwards being Dem, and needing those D votes).
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:00:37pm |
re: #190 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I learned "meat slurry" earlier today.
That's two. Anyone can put together two to mean one.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:01:13pm |
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Kragar Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:01:26pm |
re: #192 Naso Tang
That's two. Anyone can put together two to mean one.
The term "Meat Slurry" is a term in the meat packing industry.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:01:45pm |
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:02:10pm |
re: #194 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The term "Meat Slurry" is a term in the meat packing industry.
And it's so disgusting you don't want to know what it means.
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Kragar Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:02:41pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:03:20pm |
re: #191 reine.de.tout
Well, the D voters as well (Edwards being Dem, and needing those D votes).
The R voters put the filthy klansman in office and in the runoff, not the D voters.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:04:04pm |
re: #194 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The term "Meat Slurry" is a term in the meat packing industry.
precursor to the American hot dog, I presume.
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Kragar Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:05:02pm |
re: #199 Naso Tang
precursor to the American hot dog, I presume.
Nope. A process for turning dark poultry meat into white meat.
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jaunte Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:05:18pm |
re: #194 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The term "Meat Slurry" is a term in the meat packing industry.
It's what Arby's was built on.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:09:33pm |
re: #117 windsagio
my point was more that they're both from these deeply political families and basically ruined their own lives and in some cases beliefs in order to try to 'win'.
Reine's point it right on, Gore is happier for being retired, I bet Romney would be too.
Exactly the point I was trying to make. Thank goodness you've made it this time, not me.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:09:38pm |
re: #182 SanFranciscoZionist
Richard Pryor had a great bit on Doberman Pincers. Paraphrasing, "They'll welcome the burglar into the house, show you where the good stuff is; and just as the burglar's hand hits the doorknob on the way out? They do a total change. 'You can't go now. I want to play.'"
"They find the burglar with his hand on the doorknob the next morning; frozen in fear."
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:09:51pm |
Speaking of dogs . . .
After 10 years of acrylic nails I finally took them off. The dogs are not happy and I am genuinely concerned about my Cat Overlord's reaction.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:10:35pm |
re: #188 The Ghost of a Flea
I wasn't really thinking about polling, rather, the sort of amorphous body of critiques Obama receives that relate to cultural/racial issues.
I guess I would further add--perhaps ironing out the MBF--that the GOP's use of "other" versus "American" isn't constrained to cultural/racial issues, and long before Obama came on the scene different varieties of othering have been used for the same tactical effect.
You're right, they aren't, which is what makes room for buttwagons like Herman Cain to be the face of the GOTP's anti-Muslim/anti-"Hussein" hate.
I know you weren't talking about voting. But I would say a lot the people who make up the TP definitely voted in part according to anti-Black sentiment, and then went and formed the tea parties along with their other issues. What I meant was, we won't see an Obama's Not Black Enough party. Those are internal conversations (though anyone can discuss them. But nobody will buy Bryan Fischer's annointing of Cain as the only authentic Black whatever in the race. I don't know who he thinks he's fooling with that garbage. LOL!)
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:11:14pm |
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:11:15pm |
re: #203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Richard Pryor had a great bit on Doberman Pincers. Paraphrasing, "They'll welcome the burglar into the house, show you where the good stuff is; and just as the burglar's hand hits the doorknob on the way out? They do a total change. 'You can't go now. I want to play.'"
"They find the burglar with his hand on the doorknob the next morning; frozen in fear."
A well-trained dobe is a very, very cool dog. One of my trainers has dobes, I could watch them work for hours . . .
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:11:24pm |
re: #198 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
The R voters put the filthy klansman in office and in the runoff, not the D voters.
OH. You were responding to a comment I made about Edwards and a statement he made so that was the topic on my mind; I didn't realize the subject had been changed.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:11:43pm |
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Kragar Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:11:49pm |
re: #206 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Is that the pink stuff?
No, that is mechanically separated meat.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:13:56pm |
re: #200 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Nope. A process for turning dark poultry meat into white meat.
This is not a Chinese invention then?
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:14:19pm |
re: #210 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
No, that is mechanically separated meat.
stop, please, stop! oh Gravel, please stop!
(How do you do the three monkeys in emoticons?)
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:15:33pm |
re: #208 reine.de.tout
OH. You were responding to a comment I made about Edwards and a statement he made so that was the topic on my mind; I didn't realize the subject had been changed.
It hadn't, but the "dubious distinction" remark came from another post of mine regarding Edwards/Roemer. I'd incorrectly stated Roemer beat out Duke.
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Kragar Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:17:37pm |
re: #212 ggt
stop, please, stop! oh Gravel, please stop!
(How do you do the three monkeys in emoticons?)
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Dark meat from poultry is often viewed as less palatable in Western countries because of its color, low plasticity and high fat content.[dubious – discuss] These characteristics are caused by myoglobin, a pigmented chemical compound found in muscle tissue that undergoes frequent use. Because domestic poultry rarely fly, the flight muscles in the breast contain little myoglobin and appear white. Dark meat which is high in myoglobin is less useful in industry, especially fast food, because it is difficult to mold into shapes. Processing dark meat into a slurry makes it more like white meat, easier to prepare and more attractive.
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Stephen T. Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:17:43pm |
re: #120 PhillyPretzel
This depresses me. There will be no major bookstores left in my state once Borders closes. All that is left are small specialty shops, that sell either specific genres or only used paperbacks and the meager selections at Target and Walmart. I'll miss the opportunity to browse for books.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:18:00pm |
re: #214 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Dark meat from poultry is often viewed as less palatable in Western countries because of its color, low plasticity and high fat content.[dubious – discuss] These characteristics are caused by myoglobin, a pigmented chemical compound found in muscle tissue that undergoes frequent use. Because domestic poultry rarely fly, the flight muscles in the breast contain little myoglobin and appear white. Dark meat which is high in myoglobin is less useful in industry, especially fast food, because it is difficult to mold into shapes. Processing dark meat into a slurry makes it more like white meat, easier to prepare and more attractive.
You are a cruel person.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:18:33pm |
re: #215 Scarecrow237
This depresses me. There will be no major bookstores left in my state once Borders closes. All that is left are small specialty shops, that sell either specific genres or only used paperbacks and the meager selections at Target and Walmart. I'll miss the opportunity to browse for books.
What an excuse for a Road Trip!
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Kragar Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:19:56pm |
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:20:10pm |
re: #215 Scarecrow237
This depresses me. There will be no major bookstores left in my state once Borders closes. All that is left are small specialty shops, that sell either specific genres or only used paperbacks and the meager selections at Target and Walmart. I'll miss the opportunity to browse for books.
Could be a business opportunity --open a Half-Priced Book. It's much better than Borders, IMHO.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:20:15pm |
re: #214 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Dark meat from poultry is often viewed as less palatable in Western countries because of its color, low plasticity and high fat content.[dubious – discuss] These characteristics are caused by myoglobin, a pigmented chemical compound found in muscle tissue that undergoes frequent use. Because domestic poultry rarely fly, the flight muscles in the breast contain little myoglobin and appear white. Dark meat which is high in myoglobin is less useful in industry, especially fast food, because it is difficult to mold into shapes. Processing dark meat into a slurry makes it more like white meat, easier to prepare and more attractive.
We needed to know that, and thank you for your contribution.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:20:25pm |
re: #214 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
And people ask me, "Why?".
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:20:40pm |
re: #163 HappyWarrior
For all the descendants this country has of religious minorities that came here because of persecution it baffles me. It is interesting that in the past that religious people were some of the most ardent champions of separation of church and state but their descendants like Santorum/Palin condemn it.
I guess they want to go back to Puritan theocrats criminalizing and chopping off the heads of Quakers. /
That kind of ruthlessness is why we need separation of church and state to begin with.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:20:54pm |
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jaunte Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:20:54pm |
re: #220 JasonA
Handy photo reference: [Link: www.uga.edu...]
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sagehen Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:21:24pm |
re: #6 nines09
She is 10 pounds of crazy in a 5 pound bag. Tick,tick,tick,tick...
Parker and Eliot are offended that you used his characterization of her to describe a less charming kind of crazy in a significantly larger bag.
You don't want to offend Parker and Eliot.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:22:02pm |
re: #215 Scarecrow237
This depresses me. There will be no major bookstores left in my state once Borders closes. All that is left are small specialty shops, that sell either specific genres or only used paperbacks and the meager selections at Target and Walmart. I'll miss the opportunity to browse for books.
Aw man, that sucks. I hope they're not also cutting back on the libraries, though so many are, these days.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:22:04pm |
re: #222 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I guess they want to go back to Puritan theocrats criminalizing and chopping off the heads of Quakers. /
That kind of ruthlessness is why we need separation of church and state to begin with.
Actually, in many ways, it was an economic decision. No State church demanding your tithe --by law.
But, then we have taxes . . . .
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:22:13pm |
re: #213 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
It hadn't, but the "dubious distinction" remark came from another post of mine regarding Edwards/Roemer. I'd incorrectly stated Roemer beat out Duke.
Ah.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:22:56pm |
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:23:24pm |
re: #214 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Is that what what those somewhat "chewy" McDonalds chicken nuggets are made from?
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:23:48pm |
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:23:52pm |
I have to share the computer with my kid tonite.
I'll bbl
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jaunte Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:23:58pm |
re: #230 JasonA
Looks like Jim Henson space beast. Is it a dust mite?
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Kragar Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:24:30pm |
re: #231 Naso Tang
Is that what what those somewhat "chewy" McDonalds chicken nuggets are made from?
Chicken nuggets, chicken patties, etc.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:24:31pm |
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Four More Tears Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:25:01pm |
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sagehen Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:25:05pm |
re: #26 Obdicut
But Steve, Obama is about a hundred times more serious a person than Bachmann. Bachmann is crazypants. I know you personally detest Obama but you've got to remember he's not actually the ninny you try to make him out to be.
There's no comparison between Bachmann and Obama. She's crazy, she lies constantly, and her ideas don't even have a relationship with reality.
Here's a comparison:
Harvard Law magna cum laude, president of the law review
vs
Oral Roberts University unaccredited law school
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:25:09pm |
re: #232 negativ
Unexpectedly sad and powerful photograph.
IMO, anyway.
I sense a bitch slap when I see that stuff...."how ya doin kid?"
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Kragar Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:25:32pm |
re: #236 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I freakin' love that shot.
You could have never convinced me that it was a real creature on Earth. Looks like something that George Lucas, Ridley Scott and Tim Burton would've created.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:25:42pm |
re: #234 jaunte
Looks like Jim Henson space beast. Is it a dust mite?
It's an itty bitty tiny worm that lives deep in the ocean. That pic is taken with an electron microscope.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:25:50pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:26:02pm |
re: #227 ggt
Actually, in many ways, it was an economic decision. No State church demanding your tithe --by law.
Yeah, they're related. That's in part why vouchers-mad theocrat a-holes detest the idea of an Establishment clause and demand tax money for their exclusionist, bigoted schools.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:26:13pm |
re: #240 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Some of us have to sleep tonight! Jeez!
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jaunte Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:27:22pm |
re: #240 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
That's one of those things that Reine's husband said tasted like lobster, isn't it?
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:28:44pm |
re: #245 jaunte
That's one of those things that Reine's husband said tasted like lobster, isn't it?
Reines hubby is sea borne...we should take his word for it
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:29:02pm |
re: #238 sagehen
Here's a comparison:
Harvard Law magna cum laude, president of the law review
57states throws like a girl mustard on hamburgers affirmative action
Oral Roberts University unaccredited law school
Why do you hate strong Christian women, you sexist.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:29:36pm |
re: #245 jaunte
That's one of those things that Reine's husband said tasted like lobster, isn't it?
Have you ever looked closely; I mean closely, at a lobster or, say, a crayfish? If you do, anything is edible.
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:30:38pm |
re: #248 Naso Tang
Have you ever looked closely; I mean closely, at a lobster or, say, a crayfish? If you do, anything is edible.
crayfish are delicious...what's the problem?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:30:45pm |
re: #241 JasonA
"He's got huge, sharp... er...!"
-Monty Python and the Holy Grail
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:34:23pm |
Buffet
Son Of a Son of a Sailor
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:35:16pm |
re: #240 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The reason Earth has never been invaded by aliens is because the aliens looked at all the horrible things we show each other on the Internet and said, "well fuck that shit!" and zoomed right out of the solar system just as quick as they came. Having reevaluated their goals, they settled on a planet whose single-celled organisms hadn't yet become as formidable as we have.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:35:26pm |
re: #245 jaunte
That's one of those things that Reine's husband said tasted like lobster, isn't it?
Yep.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:37:23pm |
re: #254 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
And people ask me, "Why?".
People come to me and say, "Is the end near? When is the final day?"
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:38:32pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:40:42pm |
If only today's Radical Republicans were like yesterday's.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:41:15pm |
re: #256 jaunte
Why cake?
Red velvet cake with cream cheese icing - yummmmmm.
On my mind just now because that's what I made for the Roi's birthday yesterday; and it fell apart as I was trying to put icing on it and putting the layers together. It was most likely the ugliest cake in all of cakedom. You really couldn't have a piece of cake, it was more like you got a glob of cake. But it's more than half gone already, so I guess it was OK.
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:42:26pm |
re: #258 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
If only today's Radical Republicans were like yesterday's.
move on, it's a new paradigm...there are other shores
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jaunte Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:42:28pm |
re: #259 reine.de.tout
Sounds good! Please give him one more belated happy birthday from me.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:42:44pm |
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sagehen Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:43:00pm |
re: #130 Killgore Trout
If he wanted to be taken seriously he'd change his name to something that doesn't sound like an incantation from a 12th century alchemy manual.
You could just remove the vowels... then he's RNC PR BS.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:43:25pm |
re: #260 albusteve
move on, it's a new paradigm...there are other shores
[Video]
The next time some yahoo screams "Party of Lincoln!!!!!" in my face I'll send them your way. You can tell them to move on so I won't have to.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:44:59pm |
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:46:37pm |
re: #264 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
The next time some yahoo screams "Party of Lincoln!!!" in my face I'll send them your way. You can tell them to move on so I won't have to.
I have no such fixation...tell them whatever you want
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:48:13pm |
re: #266 albusteve
I have no such fixation...tell them whatever you want
Nobody needs your permission/validation to speak.
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:48:58pm |
re: #268 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Nobody needs your permission/validation to speak.
I knew that....are you happy?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:50:39pm |
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:51:28pm |
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:51:54pm |
re: #270 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Lol do you care?
of course...we are like therapists here...tell us why you are so unhappy, and maybe we can help you
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:54:42pm |
re: #265 Killgore Trout
SPQR
"Spaquire"
OMG, that reminds me of whatsisname, ESQUIRE, who sent a couple of highly amusing hate mails to Charles.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:55:17pm |
re: #272 albusteve
tell us why you are so unhappy, and maybe we can help you
Are you also going to ask how long have I been beating my wife?
LGF's most miserable regular is in no spot to help anyone else, or employ the royal "we".
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jaunte Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:56:03pm |
The Texas SBOE is getting ready to put on another show this week:
TFN Insider will be live-blogging from the State Board of Education’s Thursday public hearing and Friday final debate and vote on the adoption of new science instructional materials for Texas public schools. This week’s state board meeting comes two years after board members adopted curriculum standards that creationists hoped would force publishers to challenge evolutionary science in their new instructional materials. Information about the meeting times and location is here.The Texas news media is focusing on the story, including controversial comments from Barbara Cargill, the state board’s newly appointed chair. TFN Insider broke the news about Cargill’s comments questioning the faith of some of her board colleagues and insisting that the new science instructional materials be revised to conform to her creationist views. Check out an Austin American-Statesman editorial and stories from the Dallas Morning News and the Houston Chronicle.
[Link: tfninsider.org...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:57:29pm |
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:57:36pm |
re: #274 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Are you also going to ask how long have I been beating my wife?
LGF's most miserable regular is in no spot to help anyone else, or employ the royal "we".
LOL!
tell em...
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HoosierHoops Mon, Jul 18, 2011 7:58:04pm |
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austin_blue Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:00:22pm |
re: #275 jaunte
The Texas SBOE is getting ready to put on another show this week:
[Link: tfninsider.org...]
Oh my stars and garters. They're back.
The freak show returns, on steroids.
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:01:16pm |
I'm LGF most miserable regular!...yay!
what a nice thing to say...I'm impressed
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prairiefire Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:01:29pm |
re: #280 HoosierHoops
Hi You! How goes it today? I hated the weather...
Guess what!? We are in balmy New England where it's about 80 degrees or something. I've heard there is a heat warning all week in KC! Stay cool, baby!
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:02:29pm |
re: #279 albusteve
LOL!
Say, Runaway Man. Next time you try and dictate how I am to feel or respond, on any issue, expect the more of the same.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:03:22pm |
re: #258 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
If only today's Radical Republicans were like yesterday's.
Those Republicans were radical for wanting to reform the South after the Civil War. Some, like Thaddeus Stevens, were actually after that goal for all the right reasons.
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HoosierHoops Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:03:52pm |
re: #283 prairiefire
Guess what!? We are in balmy New England where it's about 80 degrees or something. I've heard there is a heat warning all week in KC! Stay cool, baby!
Hello Love...
/My best English accent
Here in Oklahoma we are close to 30 straight days of 100+ temps.. The all time record is 50 days.. I say lets go for the record..What the Heck.. I'm over it
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:04:24pm |
re: #284 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Say, Runaway Man. Next time you try and dictate how I am to feel or respond, on any issue, expect the more of the same.
jolly up!....let's not holds a grudge, it makes my mascara smear
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austin_blue Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:05:10pm |
re: #282 albusteve
I'm LGF most miserable regular!...yay!
what a nice thing to say...I'm impressed[Video]
Well, you are certainly our most beloved curmudgeon.
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prairiefire Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:05:16pm |
re: #287 albusteve
jolly up!...let's not holds a grudge, it makes my mascara smear
I've got an extra hankie.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:05:25pm |
re: #282 albusteve
I'm LGF most miserable regular!...yay!
what a nice thing to say...I'm impressed[Video]
Eleanor Rigby suits you better.
Kim Weston's version blows the Beatles' way out of the water.
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jaunte Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:05:43pm |
re: #281 austin_blue
Oh my stars and garters. They're back.
The freak show returns, on steroids.
Walking in the footprints of Alvis Delk:
[Link: www.creationevidence.org...]
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:05:48pm |
re: #287 albusteve
jolly up!...let's not holds a grudge, it makes my mascara smear
Don't fret, you can borrow mine.
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:06:55pm |
re: #289 prairiefire
I've got an extra hankie.
I might need some girly help here...not sure what to do...I am such a downer
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:08:03pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:08:06pm |
re: #290 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Eleanor Rigby suits you better.
Kim Weston's version blows the Beatles' way out of the water.
[Video]
I have to upding this post, if only for the "Burn!" factor and its sheer boldness in proclaiming someone else to have done better with a song than the Beetles.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:08:28pm |
re: #285 Dark_Falcon
Those Republicans were radical for wanting to reform the South after the Civil War. Some, like Thaddeus Stevens, were actually after that goal for all the right reasons.
Thank you for that. ///
I am looking forward to November, when I can exercise my voting rights to stay on the democrat plantation. ///
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:08:56pm |
re: #292 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Don't fret, you can borrow mine.
thanks...you know i adore you...lets do lunch
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:10:01pm |
re: #295 Dark_Falcon
I have to upding this post, if only for the "Burn!" factor and its sheer boldness in proclaiming someone else to have done better with a song than the Beetles.
Thanks.
They may have been more popular than Jesus, but in the end, they were just a band.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:10:01pm |
re: #296 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Thank you for that. ///
I am looking forward to November, when I can exercise my voting rights to stay on the democrat plantation. ///
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///
Did I do something to offend you? Because I sure don't know why else I merited that level of sarcastic hostility.
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HoosierHoops Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:10:02pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:11:10pm |
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austin_blue Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:11:46pm |
re: #284 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Say, Runaway Man. Next time you try and dictate how I am to feel or respond, on any issue, expect the more of the same.
Really, dude, you need to tone it down. You've been here six months. Even though I agree with you, politically, you are are rude, crude, and socially uncouth on this blog.
Suggestion: Don't ever post anything on this Board that you wouldn't say to another poster's face. If you don't take the risk of taking a fist in the mouth, you are just an online bully. And nobody respects that guy.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:14:06pm |
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:14:09pm |
re: #298 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Thanks.
They may have been more popular than Jesus, but in the end, they were just a band.
not only were they more popular than Jesus, they were more popular than Elvis, or even God
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Alexzander Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:15:22pm |
re: #302 austin_blue
... socially uncouth..
First time I've heard the phrase socially uncouth in ages.
I smiled.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:16:54pm |
re: #302 austin_blue
Suggestion: Don't ever post anything on this Board that you wouldn't say to another poster's face.
Apply the lecture fairly.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:19:02pm |
re: #305 Alexzander
First time I've heard the phrase socially uncouth in ages.
I smiled.
I think that is a pleonasm.
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Alexzander Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:19:35pm |
Has someone canonised the whole set of fairies here because I don't think I'm familiar with all of them.
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:20:55pm |
re: #306 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Apply the lecture fairly.
your cheezy rift against me is overdrawn...it's obvious you want my account blocked...that would be a nice feather for you eh?
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jaunte Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:21:00pm |
JamesUrbaniak tweets:
Back in L.A. after a weekend on the East Coast and Carmageddon has turned it into a smoking ruin. My God. MY. GOD.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:22:16pm |
re: #309 albusteve
your cheezy rift against me is overdrawn...it's obvious you want my account blocked...that would be a nice feather for you eh?
Hey, even I am getting bored with this. Do you want to make me call it a night?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:22:17pm |
re: #306 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Apply the lecture fairly.
Honestly, other posters who've met Steve have made the point that he really will say harsh things in real life. He's fearless in that way.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:22:43pm |
re: #309 albusteve
your cheezy rift against me is overdrawn...it's obvious you want my account blocked...that would be a nice feather for you eh?
Lol why would I care whether your account is blocked or not?
But please, do tell me what else I want, since it's clear you know my desires better than I do. //
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HoosierHoops Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:23:27pm |
re: #309 albusteve
your cheezy rift against me is overdrawn...it's obvious you want my account blocked...that would be a nice feather for you eh?
Not Fair Steve...No one has tried to get you blocked.. In fact.. How would you do that?
We can agree to disagree
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:24:55pm |
re: #312 Dark_Falcon
Honestly, other posters who've met Steve have made the point that he really will say harsh things in real life. He's fearless in that way.
That makes two of us for being fearless, but he doesn't scare me any more than I scare him. Because of this, he senses some "rift" and that I want him blocked. Lol please.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:25:35pm |
Good grief. I think Eureka is still on. Nite.
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albusteve Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:26:44pm |
re: #313 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Lol why would I care whether your account is blocked or not?
But please, do tell me what else I want, since it's clear you know my desires better than I do. //
then why do you persist with this silly heel biting gig?
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prairiefire Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:28:36pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:28:48pm |
re: #317 albusteve
then why do you persist with this silly heel biting gig?
Answering your posts to me is not heel-biting, get real.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:33:19pm |
I can't stick around tonight, but I just wanted to point to the latest stupidity coming through my inbox.
We already know how the socialist-sharia-enabling-gay-loving-hellfire-bound-family-and-God-hating-liberal-elites are working in tandem to destroy America, but now they've carried their plot to a new level.
Not only do we have to worry about the next generation of terror babies that are being raised right under our noses by Muslims who pretend to be moderate, but now we have to worry about the jihadists masquerading as gays. Yes, that's right, now they're pretending to be gay to escape detection by female spies.
Oh, and they're wearing sunglasses (in the summer!) to make themselves harder to identify. //
This special alert has been brought to you by Robert Spencer via OneNewsNow, a member of the American Family News Network which is—surprise!—an affiliate of the American Family Association.
Gotta run. Later, lizards.
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The Ghost of a Flea Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:34:10pm |
re: #205 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
You're right, they aren't, which is what makes room for buttwagons like Herman Cain to be the face of the GOTP's anti-Muslim/anti-"Hussein" hate.
I know you weren't talking about voting. But I would say a lot the people who make up the TP definitely voted in part according to anti-Black sentiment, and then went and formed the tea parties along with their other issues. What I meant was, we won't see an Obama's Not Black Enough party. Those are internal conversations (though anyone can discuss them. But nobody will buy Bryan Fischer's annointing of Cain as the only authentic Black whatever in the race. I don't know who he thinks he's fooling with that garbage. LOL!)
It's a fair cop.
I didn't actually write clearly enough, but what I was thinking is that it's often the anti-Black people who also have opinions about Obama's degree of blackness because they're looking for any way to make him more "other ..not that there are two balancing groups, there's one group who have concentric circles of in-group/out-group deifinitions--and they're intent on putting Obama (and other perceived liberals) in as many out-group categories as possible. Admittedly, that's based on my anecdotal experiences, so I'm not going to give it much weight.
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The Ghost of a Flea Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:36:12pm |
re: #320 CuriousLurker
I can't stick around tonight, but I just wanted to point to the latest stupidity coming through my inbox.
We already know how the socialist-sharia-enabling-gay-loving-hellfire-boun d-family-and-God-hating-liberal-elites are working in tandem to destroy America, but now they've carried their plot to a new level.
Not only do we have to worry about the next generation of terror babies that are being raised right under our noses by Muslims who pretend to be moderate, but now we have to worry about the jihadists masquerading as gays. Yes, that's right, now they're pretending to be gay to escape detection by female spies.
Oh, and they're wearing sunglasses (in the summer!) to make themselves harder to identify. //
This special alert has been brought to you by Robert Spencer via OneNewsNow, a member of the American Family News Network which is—surprise!—an affiliate of the American Family Association.
[Video]Gotta run. Later, lizards.
Not to grossly generalize, but the jihadists must to sneaking into the bear community, because "manscaping" and "Middle Eastern man" rarely intersect.
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austin_blue Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:36:55pm |
This thread has turned into a conversation in need of a point.
So tired of petty bullshit when *real* problems loom.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:37:47pm |
re: #322 The Ghost of a Flea
Not to grossly generalize, but the jihadists must to sneaking into the bear community, because "manscaping" and "Middle Eastern man" rarely intersect.
Yeah, I was thinking about that. Beware of bears with sunglasses!!!11!
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Alexzander Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:41:29pm |
re: #323 austin_blue
This thread has turned into a conversation in need of a point.
So tired of petty bullshit when *real* problems loom.
The point is Mormon Christian Fairy Uncouth Gravel.
Shrieking harpy weinergate Breitbart Beck.
Amen.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:41:56pm |
re: #323 austin_blue
This thread has turned into a conversation in need of a point.
So tired of petty bullshit when *real* problems loom.
Must Concur. I don't enjoy snipe fights.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:42:00pm |
re: #321 The Ghost of a Flea
It's a fair cop.
I didn't actually write clearly enough, but what I was thinking is that it's often the anti-Black people who also have opinions about Obama's degree of blackness because they're looking for any way to make him more "other ..not that there are two balancing groups, there's one group who have concentric circles of in-group/out-group deifinitions--and they're intent on putting Obama (and other perceived liberals) in as many out-group categories as possible. Admittedly, that's based on my anecdotal experiences, so I'm not going to give it much weight.
Yeah, mine was a small point, but one worth making, I felt.
I know that "pile-up-all-the-things-we-hate against that person so we can rationalize treating them like shyt" game played by those bigots, very well, myself. Nice turn of phrase when describing it.
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HoosierHoops Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:44:23pm |
So God tells Perry to run for President.. And he still isn't sure?
I'd ask for proof If I was you..I'm not getting the whole thing
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:44:42pm |
re: #322 The Ghost of a Flea
Not to grossly generalize, but the jihadists must to sneaking into the bear community, because "manscaping" and "Middle Eastern man" rarely intersect.
Jihadi bears. What will the kids think of, next.
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austin_blue Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:49:57pm |
re: #328 HoosierHoops
So God tells Perry to run for President.. And he still isn't sure?
I'd ask for proof If I was you..I'm not getting the whole thing
He's lining up money. Two weeks, max, it'll be a yea or a nay. I've got hard bets on a "yea". I don't lose these bets on Texas politics. He's in.
Bless his little bisexual heart.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:52:57pm |
re: #295 Dark_Falcon
I have to upding this post, if only for the "Burn!" factor and its sheer boldness in proclaiming someone else to have done better with a song than the Beetles.
One of the the original "Shake It Up Baby" recordings, by the Isley Brothers, is WAY better
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Kragar Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:53:07pm |
re: #328 HoosierHoops
So God tells Perry to run for President.. And he still isn't sure?
I'd ask for proof If I was you..I'm not getting the whole thing
God sure loves fucking with the GOP.
"What? No, I didn't tell anyone else to run. You're my boy. Now I need to get my next appointment, so grab your things and get out."
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:55:40pm |
re: #205 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
You're right, they aren't, which is what makes room for buttwagons like Herman Cain to be the face of the GOTP's anti-Muslim/anti-"Hussein" hate.
I know you weren't talking about voting. But I would say a lot the people who make up the TP definitely voted in part according to anti-Black sentiment, and then went and formed the tea parties along with their other issues. What I meant was, we won't see an Obama's Not Black Enough party. Those are internal conversations (though anyone can discuss them. But nobody will buy Bryan Fischer's annointing of Cain as the only authentic Black whatever in the race. I don't know who he thinks he's fooling with that garbage. LOL!)
I think Herman Cain's life mission is to show America that black people have crazy bigoted uncles who ruin Thanksgiving and vote Republican too.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:56:28pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:56:40pm |
re: #320 CuriousLurker
This special alert has been brought to you by Robert Spencer via OneNewsNow, a member of the American Family News Network which is—surprise!—an affiliate of the American Family Association.
[Video]
Gotta run. Later, lizards.
One News Now is becoming the new WND.
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Kragar Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:56:51pm |
Dramatic re-enactment of God talking to a GOP candidate;
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HoosierHoops Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:57:45pm |
Jay Leno is great tonight... The topic on the street is bad bosses...Great
Come on..I've had the worst lizards.. Who here has worst?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 8:58:28pm |
re: #334 moderatelyradicalliberal
I think Herman Cain's life mission is to show America that black people have crazy bigoted uncles who ruin Thanksgiving and vote Republican too.
TBH, I don't think that's so far-fetched, having such crazy uncles, myself.
Oh well, at least HC has some personality. Unlike Bachmann, Santorum, and the other creeps he's in with, ugh.
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Kragar Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:00:09pm |
re: #339 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
TBH, I don't think that's so far-fetched, having such crazy uncles, myself.
Oh well, at least HC has some personality. Unlike Bachmann, Santorum, and the other creeps he's in with, ugh.
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austin_blue Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:02:15pm |
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:04:01pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:04:25pm |
re: #332 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
God sure loves fucking with the GOP.
"What? No, I didn't tell anyone else to run. You're my boy. Now I need to get my next appointment, so grab your things and get out."
There's a scene in The Simpsons, where Lisa is Joan of Arc. She calls on God to testify in court that he told her to save France. Then Groundskeeper Willie jumps to his feet and points out that God told him to save England.
God mutters, "I never thought the two of you would be in the same room at the same time," and skedaddles.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:04:42pm |
re: #334 moderatelyradicalliberal
I think Herman Cain's life mission is to show America that black people have crazy bigoted uncles who ruin Thanksgiving and vote Republican too.
I would have been willing to take that on faith.
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laZardo Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:04:52pm |
re: #344 moderatelyradicalliberal
No, he's Uncle Ruckus from the Boondocks.
That episode where he reunites with his family was funny as all fuck.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:04:55pm |
re: #340 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Oh but RWWatch is wrong.
See, Herman Cain would hire lgbt cabinet members. Because we won't try to implement that shariah law, see.
I'm surprised Bryan Fischer didn't unceremoniously depose him as the Youtube Video>only authentic/real black man in the race" after that. Or perhaps he did, who knows. lol
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:06:12pm |
re: #348 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Oh but RWWatch is wrong.
See, Herman Cain would hire lgbt cabinet members. Because we won't try to implement that shariah law, see.
I'm surprised Bryan Fischer didn't unceremoniously depose him as the youtu.be...]>only authentic/real black man in the race" after that. Or perhaps he did, who knows. lol
To think I was so naive as to think that all you needed to be black was...you know...to be black.
Obama's presidency has been so educational.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:10:19pm |
re: #347 laZardo
That episode where he reunites with his family was funny as all fuck.
LOL! I nearly died when he sang that song at the garden party.
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jvic Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:10:26pm |
re: #349 SanFranciscoZionist
To think I was so naive as to think that all you needed to be black was...you know...to be black.
Obama's presidency has been so educational.
As has Condoleezza Rice's government career.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:10:29pm |
re: #349 SanFranciscoZionist
To think I was so naive as to think that all you needed to be black was...you know...to be black.
Seriously. One would think. Fischer is the type who would still be all for one-drop rules, if he thought he could get away with them. So to hear that from him was like, lol of all people.
Some of these people will just say anything.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:11:52pm |
re: #349 SanFranciscoZionist
To think I was so naive as to think that all you needed to be black was...you know...to be black.
Obama's presidency has been so educational.
Me to. I've had to reevaluate so much. If you've never drank from a colored water fountain, can you really be colored?
Hmmmmmmmm.......
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:12:02pm |
re: #351 jvic
As has Condoleezza Rice's government career.
They kicked her and Colin to the curb, and afaic won't hesitate one second to do it to Cain, Thomas or anyone else who steps out of line.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:16:52pm |
re: #353 moderatelyradicalliberal
Me to. I've had to reevaluate so much. If you've never drank from a colored water fountain, can you really be colored?
Hmmm...
In absence of water fountains, you'll get sent to the rickety school so basically yeah.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:19:09pm |
re: #353 moderatelyradicalliberal
Me to. I've had to reevaluate so much. If you've never drank from a colored water fountain, can you really be colored?
Hmmm...
Can you BECOME colored by drinking from said fountain?
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laZardo Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:19:36pm |
re: #356 SanFranciscoZionist
Can you BECOME colored by drinking from said fountain?
And you never go back.
/
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:20:18pm |
re: #348 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Oh but RWWatch is wrong.
See, Herman Cain would hire lgbt cabinet members. Because we won't try to implement that shariah law, see.
I'm surprised Bryan Fischer didn't unceremoniously depose him as the youtu.be...]>only authentic/real black man in the race" after that. Or perhaps he did, who knows. lol
That's the funny part. Despite the Cain's bigotry towards Muslims, the fact that he extends tolerance to anyone but "traditionalist" Protestant Christians still makes him unacceptable to Fischer. Fischer is a bigot among bigots. He thinks 'practicality' is a curse word.
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jvic Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:27:37pm |
re: #354 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
They kicked her and Colin to the curb, and afaic won't hesitate one second to do it to Cain, Thomas or anyone else who steps out of line.
1. Actually, I was referring to racial taunting of Rice by media-worthy whites and blacks: politicians and political operatives.
2. IMO it seems plausible that Powell was eased out as Secretary of State to make room for Rice, who was tight with Bush.
3. My respect for Powell increases as time passes. Rice, while a very high achiever, IMHO was a victim of the Peter Principle.
4. I get furious when self-anointed "patriots" attack the man who said this:
Far from being the Great Satan, I would say that we are the Great Protector. We have sent men and women from the armed forces of the United States to other parts of the world throughout the past century to put down oppression. We defeated Fascism. We defeated Communism. We saved Europe in World War I and World War II. We were willing to do it, glad to do it. We went to Korea. We went to Vietnam. All in the interest of preserving the rights of people.And when all those conflicts were over, what did we do? Did we stay and conquer? Did we say, "Okay, we defeated Germany. Now Germany belongs to us? We defeated Japan, so Japan belongs to us"? No. What did we do? We built them up. We gave them democratic systems which they have embraced totally to their soul. And did we ask for any land? No, the only land we ever asked for was enough land to bury our dead. And that is the kind of nation we are.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:28:12pm |
re: #358 Dark_Falcon
That's the funny part. Despite the Cain's bigotry towards Muslims, the fact that he extends tolerance to anyone but "traditionalist" Protestant Christians still makes him unacceptable to Fischer.
But Fischer has anointed him the only authentic/real Black man in the race. Rush isn't all that far behind with his old "Halfrican American" comments.
I haven't heard Fischer go back on it, even after Cain's (fwiw) pro-gay statement.
Fischer is a bigot among bigots. He thinks 'practicality' is a curse word.
Well, tbh, I know leftists of the same ilk. Both groups deserve each other, afaic.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:29:12pm |
re: #360 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Well, tbh, I know leftists of the same ilk. Both groups deserve each other, afaic.
Quite Concur.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:31:03pm |
re: #361 Dark_Falcon
Quite Concur.
Difference being, though, leftists aren't out to block or strip anyone's rights. That can't be said of Fischer and co.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:32:33pm |
re: #362 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Difference being, though, leftists aren't out to block or strip anyone's rights. That can't be said of Fischer and co.
That's not always true. There are leftist who take the desire for equality too far, to the point they are willing to deprive people of their rights to make the world into what they think it should look like.
I know you are not such a person.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:33:35pm |
re: #359 jvic
Rice, while a very high achiever
Lol did you say that about Madeline Albright or any other SoS?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:34:20pm |
re: #363 Dark_Falcon
That's not always true. There are leftist who take the desire for equality too far, to the point they are willing to deprive people of their rights to make the world into what they think it should look like.
I know you are not such a person.
Maybe in 1917 Russia.
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Kragar Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:34:30pm |
re: #362 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Difference being, though, leftists aren't out to block or strip anyone's rights. That can't be said of Fischer and co.
But Bachmann said millions of Americans were having their civil rights taken away by allowing gays to get married!
/
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:34:57pm |
re: #353 moderatelyradicalliberal
Me to. I've had to reevaluate so much. If you've never drank from a colored water fountain, can you really be colored?
Hmmm...
I've lived in poor, black, inner-city neighborhoods. The colored water fountains are still there, they're just in the form of streets that go without maintenance, buses that run to your neighborhood every 30 minutes instead of 10 like everyone else's (even though a ton more ppl need the public transportation), and high schools that have a 30% graduation rate and can't afford a cafeteria, much less sports teams for the kids or any sort of after school programs.
Oh, and sweet little old grannies who care about everyone's kids and will give you the shirt of their backs, but also feel the need to pack heat in their purses just in case the police aren't around to protect them.
Yeah, those colored drinking fountains suck. //
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Kragar Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:35:57pm |
re: #367 Lidane
Cain: Romney ‘can’t win’ because he has not done ‘a good job of explaining his religion’
[Video]
He's not even Christian!
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:38:25pm |
re: #365 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Maybe in 1917 Russia.
Far closer to home and more recently. The 60's brought out a great deal of such sentiment, with forced busing being a good example. It's seem more on the right than on the left, but its still there. What, after all, are the "Gaza Flotillas" but an attempt to abridge Israel's lawful right to self-defense.
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:38:38pm |
re: #368 CuriousLurker
I've lived in poor, black, inner-city neighborhoods. The colored water fountains are still there, they're just in the form of streets that go without maintenance, buses that run to your neighborhood every 30 minutes instead of 10 like everyone else's (even though a ton more ppl need the public transportation), and high schools that have a 30% graduation rate and can't afford a cafeteria, much less sports teams for the kids or any sort of after school programs.
Oh, and sweet little old grannies who care about everyone's kids and will give you the shirt of their backs, but also feel the need to pack heat in their purses just in case the police aren't around to protect them.
Yeah, those colored drinking fountains suck. //
"The past is never dead. It's not even past."
-William Faulkner
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jvic Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:39:33pm |
re: #364 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Lol did you say that about Madeline Albright or any other SoS?
Madeleine Albright has always struck me as a hack.
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laZardo Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:39:42pm |
re: #371 Shiplord Kirel
"The past is never dead. It's not even past."
-William Faulkner
"History doesn't repeat itself. But it does rhyme." - Mark Twain
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:40:03pm |
re: #367 Lidane
Cain: Romney ‘can’t win’ because he has not done ‘a good job of explaining his religion’
[Video]
That's a good one.
His constituents aren't going to like it when he explains his own denomination's history...they split off of segregationist whites 100 years ago. I hope he doesn't tell them.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:40:03pm |
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Four More Tears Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:42:50pm |
Please make a new commercial telling me how great your T-Mobile buyout if going to be for me, AT&T. Please...
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:43:18pm |
re: #372 jvic
Madeleine Albright has always struck me as a hack.
Condi quote on why she left the D party:
"I would rather be ignored than patronized."
Her first error: believing she could escape patronizations by either Ds or Rs.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:45:34pm |
re: #376 JasonA
Please make a new commercial telling me how great your T-Mobile buyout if going to be for me, AT&T. Please...
It's not going to be that great, and I oppose the deal. It would leave Sprint out in the cold and lead to only two cell phone carriers, which is not enough competition. The market should be maintained at 4 carriers and the merger blocked.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:47:35pm |
re: #378 Dark_Falcon
It's not going to be that great, and I oppose the deal. It would leave Sprint out in the cold and lead to only two cell phone carriers, which is not enough competition. The market should be maintained at 4 carriers and the merger blocked.
Wow. Didn't expect you to go there.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:48:23pm |
re: #377 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Condi quote on why she left the D party:
"I would rather be ignored than patronized."
Her first error: believing she could escape patronizations by either Ds or Rs.
Condi was a Democrat at some point? The story I've always heard is that the family had been Republicans since her dad got home from the war.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:48:37pm |
re: #370 Dark_Falcon
forced busing
The world's most egregious misnomer.
Nonwhite children were force-bused all over the planet before court-ordered ends to segregation. It also wasn't as widespread as the rw likes to claim -- in fact, most school districts complied with the Brown decision except those packed with rightwing bigots.
That said, I am more or less against the busing solution, having grown up in one of the white areas and then put on some stupid bus to the low income school (read: predominately nonwhite) for band and gifted student class.
Totally absurd, and not worth it.
being a good example. It's seem more on the right than on the left, but its still there. What, after all, are the "Gaza Flotillas" but an attempt to abridge Israel's lawful right to self-defense.
The Gaza flotillas are packed with cranks who wouldn't know a "freedom ride" from a hole in the ground.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:49:29pm |
re: #380 SanFranciscoZionist
Condi was a Democrat at some point? The story I've always heard is that the family had been Republicans since her dad got home from the war.
Well I'll be. Wiki tells me she was a Dem until the 80s.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:51:56pm |
re: #380 SanFranciscoZionist
Condi was a Democrat at some point? The story I've always heard is that the family had been Republicans since her dad got home from the war.
Carter voter.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:54:43pm |
re: #379 JasonA
Wow. Didn't expect you to go there.
I worked in that industry for years. I think the competition 4 carriers engenders really is needed to keep the carriers providing good service. At 2 carriers, things get tight enough that bad practices can set in and leave customers without a way to escape those practices, since there would not be a place to good in both carriers are engaged in a bad practice. But with 4 carriers, someone will always be able to profit by treating the customers better. In this case, blocking the merger is needed to allow the free market to work properly. I don't like regulation much, but in this case I think it needed.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:56:42pm |
re: #356 SanFranciscoZionist
Can you BECOME colored by drinking from said fountain?
Does anybody remember that weird "coffee, tea, soda-pop, pee" waterfountain game? I guess one had to go to a school with a waterfountains with three spouts.
Children would get in knock down drag out fights over that crud. Ridiculous.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:59:18pm |
re: #381 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
The world's most egregious misnomer.
Nonwhite children were force-bused all over the planet before court-ordered ends to segregation. It also wasn't as widespread as the rw likes to claim -- in fact, most school districts complied with the Brown decision except those packed with rightwing bigots.
That said, I am more or less against the busing solution, having grown up in one of the white areas and then put on some stupid bus to the low income school (read: predominately nonwhite) for band and gifted student class.
Totally absurd, and not worth it.
The Gaza flotillas are packed with cranks who wouldn't know a "freedom ride" from a hole in the ground.
Yes, but those cranks proclaim their loyalty to leftist causes and even quote Dr. King. That they know as little about who Martin Luther King Jr. really was as Sarah Palin knows about Ronald Reagan doesn't mean they are not of the left. It just means they are ignorant and indecent. That does not mean their sentiments animate all or even most on the left in America, however.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 9:59:22pm |
re: #366 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
But Bachmann said millions of Americans were having their civil rights taken away by allowing gays to get married!
/
It's OUR CIVIL RIGHT to put ourselves first, and everyone else last!
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Four More Tears Mon, Jul 18, 2011 10:03:32pm |
re: #384 Dark_Falcon
We...agree.
LGF has accomplished its mission and can shut down now.
AT&T is going to be hit hard with those concessions they have to give TMO if the deal doesn't go through, btw. Billions of bucks and spectrum. That's gonna sting.
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jvic Mon, Jul 18, 2011 10:05:35pm |
re: #377 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Condi quote on why she left the D party:
"I would rather be ignored than patronized."
Her first error: believing she could escape patronizations by either Ds or Rs.
She tried. The effort deserves acknowledgment even if she got in over her head.
I think she should have stayed as Stanford provost and maybe moved on to head a university or think tank, but her "place will never be with the pale and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat".
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ProBosniaLiberal Mon, Jul 18, 2011 10:07:38pm |
Okay, this is completely out of left field, but I wanted to know the opinion of you guys of a group that I my mind just thought of.
What is the overall opinion of you guys of the "Daughters of the American Revolution"?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 10:09:04pm |
re: #386 Dark_Falcon
Yes, but those cranks proclaim their loyalty to leftist causes and even quote Dr. King.
Quoting Dr. King is becoming the new Godwin's Law. Everybody does it.
That they know as little about who Martin Luther King Jr. really was as Sarah Palin knows about Ronald Reagan doesn't mean they are not of the left.
Never said they weren't. Just like the fools yelling about Democrat Plantations, Parties of Lincoln and MLK was a Republican are on the right, along with the Confederate flagwavers.
Difference is, the first 3 items are basic to mainstream Republican conservatism. The same mainstream conservatism is trying not only to take rights away, e.g. reproductive rights, what gay rights there are, but keep them from being established in the first place.
It just means they are ignorant and indecent. That does not mean their sentiments animate all or even most on the left in America, however.
You're right about that.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 10:11:13pm |
re: #389 jvic
The effort deserves acknowledgment even if she got in over her head.
You missed the point. You own comment was quite patronizing. I wouldn't want it said about me, though I know it is, because people will say things like that right to one's face. Just had a client pull that last week.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 10:13:47pm |
re: #392 ProLifeLiberal
Okay, this is completely out of left field, but I wanted to know the opinion of you guys of a group that I my mind just thought of.
What is the overall opinion of you guys of the "Daughters of the American Revolution"?
I can take 'em or leave 'em.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jul 18, 2011 10:16:34pm |
re: #392 ProLifeLiberal
What is the overall opinion of you guys of the "Daughters of the American Revolution"?
Do they have a sexy calendar? I'm gonna need to see a sexy calendar first before I make up my mind.
/
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jul 18, 2011 10:21:44pm |
re: #392 ProLifeLiberal
Some people think what their ancestors did was important, others do not.
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Targetpractice Mon, Jul 18, 2011 10:23:38pm |
Might have found a debt reduction plan I can get behind:
AP: Coburn proposes $9 trillion deficit cut measure
WASHINGTON (AP) — One of the Senate's staunchest budget-cutters unveiled Monday a massive plan to cut the nation's deficit by $9 trillion over the coming decade, including $1 trillion in tax increases opposed by most of his fellow Republicans.
The plan by Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., is laced with politically perilous proposals like raising to 70 the age at which people can claim their full Social Security benefits. It would cut farm subsidies, Medicare, student aid, housing subsidies for the poor, and funding for community development grants. Coburn even takes on the powerful veterans' lobby by proposing that some veterans pay more for medical care and prescription drugs.
Coburn would also eliminate $1 trillion in tax breaks over the coming decade, earning him an immediate rebuke from Americans for Tax Reform, an anti-tax organization with which Coburn has had a running feud. He would block taxpayers from claiming the mortgage interest deduction on second homes and limit it to homes worth $500,000. He would also ease taxpayers into higher tax brackets more quickly by using a smaller measure of inflation to adjust the brackets.
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ProBosniaLiberal Mon, Jul 18, 2011 10:29:13pm |
re: #397 Floral Giraffe
The reason I ask is because I have a friend who's family is in it, and a Wikipedia search gives a less than great impression of the group.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 10:36:17pm |
re: #399 ProLifeLiberal
The reason I ask is because I have a friend who's family is in it, and a Wikipedia search gives a less than great impression of the group.
Well, I wouldn't want to join, personally. But I don't fault anyone who does.
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Kragar Mon, Jul 18, 2011 10:43:08pm |
ohpleaseohpleaseohplease
Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann on GOP Ticket?
Texas Governor Rick Perry seems to be getting closer to entering the 2012 Republican Presidential Primary. Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) is already a committed candidate and in all respects, has earned “frontrunner” status.
This leads many political analyst and pundits to wonder: Could Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann be the ideal “Dream Team” for Republicans in 2012?
No, but I hope they try.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jul 18, 2011 10:46:19pm |
re: #398 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Might have found a debt reduction plan I can get behind:
OMGOMG HE WANTS TO RAISE TAXES! TRAITOR HEATHEN BURN HIM!!!
/
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Targetpractice Mon, Jul 18, 2011 10:47:32pm |
re: #401 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
ohpleaseohpleaseohplease
Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann on GOP Ticket?
No, but I hope they try.
Bachmann/Perry '12: The Godly Ticket
Bachmann/Perry '12: Pray The Mayans Were Right
Bachmann/Perry '12: Making Theocracy Look Good
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Four More Tears Mon, Jul 18, 2011 10:49:25pm |
re: #403 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Bachmann/Perry '12: The Godly Ticket
Bachmann/Perry '12: Pray The Mayans Were Right
Bachmann/Perry '12: Making Theocracy Look Good
No no. It's Perry/Bachmann. She submits to her man.
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ProBosniaLiberal Mon, Jul 18, 2011 10:50:38pm |
re: #400 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Same here. My Grandfather is obsessive on genealogy, and has traced back some of the family back 800 years to Switzerland (mom's side). And there were some colonists on her side from before the American War of Independence. Now, the question is whether any fought.
Fun fact- I am descended of a guy named William Wallace McCartney. :P
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Kragar Mon, Jul 18, 2011 10:54:13pm |
re: #405 ProLifeLiberal
Same here. My Grandfather is obsessive on genealogy, and has traced back some of the family back 800 years to Switzerland (mom's side). And there were some colonists on her side from before the American War of Independence. Now, the question is whether any fought.
Fun fact- I am descended of a guy named William Wallace McCartney. :P
My family can trace one of our branches to the late Roman empire.
Having a rare family name is cool. I've met every person in on this side of the Atlantic with my surname at least once if they were born prior to 2001.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jul 18, 2011 11:00:55pm |
From Frum:
Incredible Shrinking Workers’ Income
Workers’ share of U.S, national income is collapsing.
Two questions for the Republican presidential candidates:
1) Is this a problem?
2) If yes, what can be done about it?
Yes, David Frum.
Yes, that David Frum.
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ProBosniaLiberal Mon, Jul 18, 2011 11:01:11pm |
re: #406 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I'm now getting rather curious about if my family was in that War. There were a number in Pennsylvania at the time.
I wonder if there is an easy to access database for this stuff.
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Targetpractice Mon, Jul 18, 2011 11:03:38pm |
re: #407 JasonA
From Frum:
Incredible Shrinking Workers’ Income
Yes, David Frum.
Yes, that David Frum.
My guess?
1) "Yes, it's a problem that stems from America's overly high taxes!"
2) "Well, obviously there's gotta be tax cuts for 'job producers,' as that will give them more money to pay their workers with!"
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jul 18, 2011 11:06:12pm |
“The Republicans aren’t going to have a problem motivating the base in 2012, so that’s not the issue,” said Kondik. “The Democrats love to paint Republicans as extremists so the Republicans may have to decide if Perry and Bachmann are too conservative in a general election. I think Obama would certainly prefer to run against a more conservative ticket than one made up of Romney and another moderate, but Romney would certainly need a conservative on the ticket to keep the base excited.”
You keep using that word...
What's with people that can't tell the difference between "conservative" and "fundamentalist authoritarian"?
:sigh: never mind
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Four More Tears Mon, Jul 18, 2011 11:06:36pm |
re: #409 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
My guess?
1) "Yes, it's a problem that stems from America's overly high taxes!"
2) "Well, obviously there's gotta be tax cuts for 'job producers,' as that will give them more money to pay their workers with!"
Holee shit, you could run for office with insight like that!
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Targetpractice Mon, Jul 18, 2011 11:13:02pm |
re: #411 JasonA
Holee shit, you could run for office with insight like that!
I gradiated from the sixth grade! Only took me four years. *Holds up five fingers*
/
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jul 18, 2011 11:13:09pm |
re: #410 Slumbering Behemoth
BTW, that last bit in that "OMFG!! CZARS!!", about the number of such under certain admins... not exactly accurate.
The list is subjective and imprecise, since frequently individuals or offices might be referred to by the nickname "czar" by some publication or a political opponent, yet the actual governmental official, a majority of publications and others do not use the term. For example, some[who?] consider czars to be only those officials who are appointed by the president without Senate confirmation
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jul 18, 2011 11:13:22pm |
re: #406 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Well, since they all hail from Kragaristan!
Seriously, that's cool!
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ProBosniaLiberal Mon, Jul 18, 2011 11:25:13pm |
re: #408 ProLifeLiberal
I just confirmed descent from a Revolutionary War Veteran. (Samuel Pheasant)
My grandpa never said anything.
Of course, I will not become overly proud of this, because I hav
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ProBosniaLiberal Mon, Jul 18, 2011 11:29:07pm |
re: #415 ProLifeLiberal
Me is overly tired.
Last sentence should say:
Of course, I will not become overly proud of this, because I have to prove myself, regardless of past family accomplishments.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jul 18, 2011 11:38:30pm |
re: #415 ProLifeLiberal
My maternal and paternal grandparents were either the first of their line to be born here, or were brought here as very young, immigrant children.
They missed having anything to do with Native American massacres, African slavery in America, the Revolution, and mostly being German or Italian, skated out of Europe prior the rise of genocidal fascism of the 30's and 40's.
I think my most recent ancestors had a knack for managing a "What? No. Fuck that shit. We want nothing to do with it".
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boxhead Mon, Jul 18, 2011 11:41:33pm |
re: #418 Slumbering Behemoth
my dad born and raised in Hawaii. Joined Army, stationed in Germany, brought home mom... So I too have shallow roots in USA. My GF, on the other hand, had a relative on the Mayflower...
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 18, 2011 11:48:50pm |
I have traced my adoptive father's family to 1870 then ran into the slavery wall. My mother's family can trace to the 1820s but I am very sketchy on the details.
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simoom Mon, Jul 18, 2011 11:49:05pm |
[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]
On ABC’s “Top Line” today, freshman Rep. Todd Rokita, R-Ind., said he’s not concerned about the prospect of defaulting on the debt, arguing that the federal government’s cash flow would be sufficient to pay creditors.He’s equally unconcerned about ratings agencies downgrading the outlook on American debt. Such short-term issues are far less important than the long-term fiscal challenges he and other Republicans are hoping to tackle, Rokita said.
“I don't know anything more piggish -- I don't know anything more un-American than saying, ‘Oh, I'm worried about my own little handout or my own little program or my own little economy and we'll kick this can down the road and let some future generation deal with it,” said Rokita, a former Indiana Secretary of State.
“It’s not what this country was built on. It’s not the attitude that we're supposed to have. I'm not sure where we got it. So no, I'm not as worried about Moody's or anyone else or even if this economy does get worse, when you compare it to what we're doing to our kids or our kids' kids.”
...
Rokita said he’s comfortable voting against a higher debt limit, even if that means the economy will suffer as a result.
“We'll learn to live within our means right now, in the here and now. And this might force that issue even if the economy does or the stock market does go down, the economy might get worse. ..."
Another genius "fiscal conservative" who doesn't recognize the spectacular 'own goal' not raising the debt ceiling would be when it comes to the issue he claims to care about so much (the federal debt/deficit).
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jul 18, 2011 11:52:08pm |
re: #419 boxhead
Heh. And I am white as they come. Almost, anyway. But my roots here are shallow. No storied presence in the nation's foundation, the revolution, the civil war. Just a generation or two removed from FOBs.
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boxhead Mon, Jul 18, 2011 11:55:05pm |
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boxhead Mon, Jul 18, 2011 11:57:23pm |
re: #422 Slumbering Behemoth
Heh. And I am white as they come. Almost, anyway. But my roots here are shallow. No storied presence in the nation's foundation, the revolution, the civil war. Just a generation or two removed from FOBs.
Growing up, I found myself somewhat jealous of friends with long roots here. But in turn, having relatives in Hawaii and Germany has been a boon.
| 425 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 19, 2011 12:01:30am |
re: #423 boxhead
One of the best films ever made. Quite short on the F/X budget, but quite long on the quality dialogue.
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simoom Tue, Jul 19, 2011 12:04:50am |
[Link: www.politico.com...]
“If there is a strong view that the bond interest payment won’t be made, and congressional leaders say they are nowhere near passing an increase in the debt limit, then you would start to see the basic underpinnings of the financial system come undone,” said a senior strategist at one of Wall Street’s largest banks, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the political sensitivity of the issue.
It's kind of sad to still be worrying about offending / undermining your political allies when you believe they're engaging in brinkmanship with the "underpinnings of the financial system".
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boxhead Tue, Jul 19, 2011 12:07:10am |
re: #425 Slumbering Behemoth
One of the best films ever made. Quite short on the F/X budget, but quite long on the quality dialogue.
and full of great quotes!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 19, 2011 12:20:18am |
re: #424 boxhead
Growing up, I found myself somewhat jealous of friends with long roots here. But in turn, having relatives in Hawaii and Germany has been a boon.
Despite a great many historic failings, and many other failings still present today, the ideal has not been one of blood and soil, of heritage and ancestry within the land. It is one of carving your own path as an American, no matter where you come from.
It is one of constant struggle. Gay rights, women's rights, minority rights. We carve a path through what seems to be immovable stone. Yet piece by piece, that mountain of stone is moved by will and endurance, and not by the faith of a mustard seed.
Thus is the will of the Lord our Gravel.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jul 19, 2011 12:25:28am |
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boxhead Tue, Jul 19, 2011 12:25:59am |
re: #428 Slumbering Behemoth
Despite a great many historic failings, and many other failings still present today, the ideal has not been one of blood and soil, of heritage and ancestry within the land. It is one of carving your own path as an American, no matter where you come from.
It is one of constant struggle. Gay rights, women's rights, minority rights. We carve a path through what seems to be immovable stone. Yet piece by piece, that mountain of stone is moved by will and endurance, and not by the faith of a mustard seed.
Thus is the will of the Lord our Gravel.
Very deep thoughts.... and, while waxing poetic, also insightful. But my jealous feelings were as a youth, not yet learned. :)
*damn, again, that was some bad ass prose. I am tempted to do a google search on them to see if you borrowed them... LOL *
| 431 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 19, 2011 12:26:19am |
Your High-Drama 80s Keyboards Clip of the Day:
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jul 19, 2011 12:26:26am |
re: #425 Slumbering Behemoth
little known fact, mark knopfler of dire straits did the awesome soundtrack
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Four More Tears Tue, Jul 19, 2011 12:29:59am |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jul 19, 2011 12:30:03am |
re: #431 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Obsession is one of my karaoke songs :D
I got some 80's keyboard drama
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 19, 2011 12:32:33am |
re: #430 boxhead
*damn, again, that was some bad ass prose. I am tempted to do a google search on them to see if you borrowed them... LOL *
Hmmm... That totally came off of the top of my drunken head, but it's more than possible that you could find something similar on the interwebs. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only drunken asshole out there.
The "Gravel' thing is just a goofy meme of sorts. However, you must take it seriously if you care about your immortal soul.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jul 19, 2011 12:33:29am |
re: #435 Slumbering Behemoth
Hmmm... That totally came off of the top of my drunken head, but it's more than possible that you could find something similar on the interwebs. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only drunken asshole out there.
The "Gravel' thing is just a goofy meme of sorts. However, you must take it seriously if you care about your immortal soul.
Thankfully I don't give a damn about Boxhead's immortal soul...
/
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 19, 2011 12:36:56am |
re: #429 WindUpBird
Not sure if you caught this, but I linked it for you the other day. Seemed like something you'd be interested in.
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boxhead Tue, Jul 19, 2011 12:37:15am |
re: #435 Slumbering Behemoth
Hmmm... That totally came off of the top of my drunken head, but it's more than possible that you could find something similar on the interwebs. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only drunken asshole out there.
The "Gravel' thing is just a goofy meme of sorts. However, you must take it seriously if you care about your immortal soul.
very cool... I bow to your drunken skills. I tend to a bit more elaborate after imbibing fermented goodness as well. But, not to sound like I have a post crush on you, you should save a copy of that post. Reminds me of some epic drunken coding sessions back in the day.. :)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 19, 2011 12:38:14am |
re: #436 JasonA
But with just the right herbs and spices...
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boxhead Tue, Jul 19, 2011 12:38:53am |
re: #436 JasonA
Thankfully I don't give a damn about Boxhead's immortal soul...
/
That implies you care about my mortal soul? cool :)
//
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Four More Tears Tue, Jul 19, 2011 12:40:15am |
re: #440 boxhead
That implies you care about my mortal soul? cool :)
//
No.
The dog's, though. He seems cute and I'd hate to see him suffer in a fiery pit for all eternity.
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boxhead Tue, Jul 19, 2011 12:45:37am |
re: #435 Slumbering Behemoth
Hmmm... That totally came off of the top of my drunken head, but it's more than possible that you could find something similar on the interwebs. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only drunken asshole out there.
The "Gravel' thing is just a goofy meme of sorts. However, you must take it seriously if you care about your immortal soul.
So a guy walks into a bar carrying a piece of flattened Gravel. The bartender cautiously looks at the dude and the gravel saying, "What will it be?"
The guy says, "I'll have two beers, one for me, and one for the road."
// ducks...
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boxhead Tue, Jul 19, 2011 12:46:42am |
re: #441 JasonA
No.
The dog's, though. He seems cute and I'd hate to see him suffer in a fiery pit for all eternity.
I'll tell Little Bear you thought of him... Sweet friend, getting old...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jul 19, 2011 12:47:57am |
re: #437 Slumbering Behemoth
Oh cool! I already spy Kylesa tshirts I want *_*
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 19, 2011 12:48:56am |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 19, 2011 12:52:17am |
re: #438 boxhead
You flatter me undeservedly.
I have an ideal, of what this nation should be about. One that doesn't fear free women, gays, or the acceptance of immigrants. These things would only make us stronger.
The secular principles this country was founded upon laid the groundwork, but as we have seen throughout its short history, there is much more to be done.
It is why many in the past have referred to our style of gov't as "The Great Experiment". It was never meant to be immovable and unchangeable, but something which adapts as we expand our understanding of the human condition.
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boxhead Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:05:22am |
re: #446 Slumbering Behemoth
You flatter me undeservedly.
I have an ideal, of what this nation should be about. One that doesn't fear free women, gays, or the acceptance of immigrants. These things would only make us stronger.
The secular principles this country was founded upon laid the groundwork, but as we have seen throughout its short history, there is much more to be done.
It is why many in the past have referred to our style of gov't as "The Great Experiment". It was never meant to be immovable and unchangeable, but something which adapts as we expand our understanding of the human condition.
Yes... now you are talking... I have attempted to spin a belief, to friends starting from Greece and the story behind the movie 300, to our Constitution. While, of course, many beliefs held during that span needed to and were regulated to the trash heap, the basic idea of freedom, was able to be planted, germinate, and grow. In my humble opinion, our Constitution is by far the best expression of such belief. And as you mentioned, it was written to change with time. The Founders where excellent students of history and would never have intended that document to be fixed in stone knowing how people have changed over time. Changes for the good is what was expected.
Seeing the radicalization of so many people, not only our Country's, but other Western countries that have traveled that same path as us, is saddening. Truthfully I am not sure the outcome... I can only hope.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 19, 2011 2:01:39am |
re: #447 boxhead
We have an ability of participation that we can either laugh off as fruitless, or exercise to it's fullest potential.
I understand why many would be cynical. I am cynical. But we have something here that many other nations do not.
Consider the last time an Iranian citizen was able to openly mock Ahmadinejad the way we openly mock Bachmann, or the way our press can openly mock and criticize our POTUS.
For whatever faults and failings we may have as a nation, we are today able to begin from a much more stable foundation of freedom than many other nations in the world.
No, we do not hang homosexuals in the public square. No, we do not stone women for the offense driving a car. But this Boogey Man of such comparisons is not enough. We still have much work to do here.
| 452 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 19, 2011 2:28:01am |
re: #451 Cannadian Club Akbar
I understand the fact that they are murderous, theocratic assholes. Never a doubt in my mind, really.
But... I think you might need a stronger tag than "NSFW" for something like that.
That's not just nekkid ladies. That's people being straight up murdered by a firing squad.
| 453 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 2:34:02am |
re: #452 Slumbering Behemoth
I figured between the word "Taliban", my usual sarc and a LiveLeak video, that would be enough. Perhaps I was wrong. Gotta restart my POS. BRB.
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boxhead Tue, Jul 19, 2011 3:04:52am |
re: #450 Slumbering Behemoth
We have an ability of participation that we can either laugh off as fruitless, or exercise to it's fullest potential.
I understand why many would be cynical. I am cynical. But we have something here that many other nations do not.
Consider the last time an Iranian citizen was able to openly mock Ahmadinejad the way we openly mock Bachmann, or the way our press can openly mock and criticize our POTUS.
The Green movement was a stand by mostly peaceful Iranians against the Iranian government. We did not help them while they suffered. Now we are helping other fighters for freedom. How the decisions are made to pick and choose those we help or not baffles me.
For whatever faults and failings we may have as a nation, we are today able to begin from a much more stable foundation of freedom than many other nations in the world.
No, we do not hang homosexuals in the public square. No, we do not stone women for the offense driving a car. But this Boogey Man of such comparisons is not enough. We still have much work to do here.
We do have much work to do. But, IMHO, our internal disputes leave us in a much weaker position to do so. And, in my not so humble opinion, the divisive factions within USA don't give a rats arse about pulling together so USA can stand tall. It is like dealing with petty, spoiled, immature children.
Maybe it should not be our task to do so, but unless all of USA can act like adults, then any action will be doomed to failure.
| 455 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 3:08:08am |
A while ago I posted a story about a Polk county female deputy who was arrested for paddling underage girls and possessing the tape. Well, there's more...
[Link: www2.tbo.com...]
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jul 19, 2011 3:09:41am |
RedState lulz, complete with weaksauce biblical rhetoric
pontius pilate? Really, guys? It's almost as if you really believe all that Tea Party rhetoric. Whining maggots, I swear
| 457 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jul 19, 2011 3:11:46am |
re: #445 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
i approve mightily
| 458 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 19, 2011 3:11:48am |
Look who is about to get sent packing...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 19, 2011 3:12:31am |
re: #453 Cannadian Club Akbar
Hmm...
Pretty brutal stuff, and not immediately obvious with the way you worded it. Not too much different than footage seen filmed by the Third Reich, but still just as ugly and reprehensible.
I'm not trying to stomp your nuts, but prefacing such a clip with "Ah. Lovely video of the Taliban. The beauty starts at about the :45 mark." really does not convey the kind of horror and brutality contained therein.
As real and as evil as that shit is, it is graphic beyond a simple "NSFW". There is blood, guts, brains, and faces being mutilated by multiple rounds.
I have no wish to diminish the reality of such horrors. They exist, without question. My only intent is to ask you to link such things with greater caution, and with a clearer warning of what the viewer is about to see.
On that note, I seek sleep. Goodnight, all.
| 462 |
darthstar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 3:31:30am |
Good morning, east coast style...fuck, it's early.
| 463 |
boxhead Tue, Jul 19, 2011 3:32:05am |
| 464 |
boxhead Tue, Jul 19, 2011 3:32:25am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 3:35:39am |
re: #462 darthstar
Good morning, east coast style...fuck, it's early.
Order some biscuits and gravy. And your transformation to the dark side will be complete.
| 468 |
darthstar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 3:36:12am |
Wow...I get to watch Morning Joke...you east coasters get subjected to three more hours of stupid in the mornings.
| 469 |
boxhead Tue, Jul 19, 2011 3:37:32am |
re: #466 Cannadian Club Akbar
Order some biscuits and gravy. And your transformation to the dark side will be complete.
good sausage gravy is not evil! And good biscuits are down right heavenly!
| 470 |
researchok Tue, Jul 19, 2011 3:38:25am |
re: #468 darthstar
Wow...I get to watch Morning Joke...you east coasters get subjected to three more hours of stupid in the mornings.
Ain't that the truth
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darthstar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 3:38:50am |
re: #466 Cannadian Club Akbar
Order some biscuits and gravy. And your transformation to the dark side will be complete.
Oh, man...I love biscuits and gravy. That was my 2am blind drunk but not going to bed yet meal when I was younger...haven't had it in probably 20 years. I'll try to make that happen this week.
| 472 |
rwdflynavy Tue, Jul 19, 2011 3:40:08am |
Good Morning Honcos!
Another day in the 5 sided wind tunnel
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darthstar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 3:40:53am |
re: #472 rwdflynavy
Good Morning Honcos!
Another day in the 5 sided wind tunnel
The pentacle is Satan's building.
/
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boxhead Tue, Jul 19, 2011 3:41:15am |
re: #471 darthstar
Oh, man...I love biscuits and gravy. That was my 2am blind drunk but not going to bed yet meal when I was younger...haven't had it in probably 20 years. I'll try to make that happen this week.
lol.... it is one of those meals that you cannot make healthy, and thus my dilemma, I will only eat the real version, and so it is a rare treat.... hmmmmm
damn you cholesterol!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 3:42:27am |
re: #473 darthstar
The pentacle is Satan's building.
/
Pentacle? Dude, Pentagram!!
/prolly designed by the Masons!!
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darthstar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 3:43:24am |
re: #474 boxhead
lol... it is one of those meals that you cannot make healthy, and thus my dilemma, I will only eat the real version, and so it is a rare treat... hmmm
damn you cholesterol!
But it's very good at absorbing alcohol so you don't puke in your sleep.
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darthstar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 3:44:15am |
re: #475 Cannadian Club Akbar
Pentacle? Dude, Pentagram!!
/prolly designed by the Masons!!
That's right...the military is housed in the pentagram. The pentacle is the animal that protects it. How silly of me to confuse them.
| 478 |
boxhead Tue, Jul 19, 2011 3:44:31am |
re: #475 Cannadian Club Akbar
Pentacle? Dude, Pentagram!!
/prolly designed by the Masons!!
On my way home from work, I was following a car with a Masons symbol attached. I wanted to ask him if he could fix my wall... :)
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boxhead Tue, Jul 19, 2011 3:46:24am |
re: #476 darthstar
But it's very good at absorbing alcohol so you don't puke in your sleep.
Pacing your intake is much better... :) I have not puked due to booze in decades...
*damn, made a reference to my age*
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darthstar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 3:46:57am |
re: #478 boxhead
On my way home from work, I was following a car with a Masons symbol attached. I wanted to ask him if he could fix my wall... :)
You should have asked him where his children were...
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darthstar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 3:48:22am |
re: #479 boxhead
Pacing your intake is much better... :) I have not puked due to booze in decades...
*damn, made a reference to my age*
I haven't either...except at my parent's 50th anniversary party a couple of years ago when I had to throw my keys to my 14 year old nephew and have him drive me home...but that doesn't count because it was with family.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 3:51:39am |
re: #481 darthstar
I haven't either...except at my parent's 50th anniversary party a couple of years ago when I had to throw my keys to my 14 year old nephew and have him drive me home...but that doesn't count because it was with family.
I let my brother drive home one night. He was 15 and had a restricted license. (no night driving) We got pulled. Trooper made my dump out the vodka I had. My brother was about to shit himself.
| 483 |
boxhead Tue, Jul 19, 2011 3:52:12am |
re: #480 darthstar
You should have asked him where his children were...
sorry, i don't understand, and the video was unintelligible on my laptop.
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boxhead Tue, Jul 19, 2011 3:53:54am |
re: #481 darthstar
I haven't either...except at my parent's 50th anniversary party a couple of years ago when I had to throw my keys to my 14 year old nephew and have him drive me home...but that doesn't count because it was with family.
As long as they did not see it... :) or, like one of my elder sibling has demonstrated, use puke as a controlled weapon. Long story, another day... LOL
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darthstar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 3:54:38am |
re: #483 boxhead
sorry, i don't understand, and the video was unintelligible on my laptop.
Grateful Dead's "Mason's Children" - performed more recently by Furthur (Weir, Lesh & Friends)
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boxhead Tue, Jul 19, 2011 3:55:29am |
re: #482 Cannadian Club Akbar
I let my brother drive home one night. He was 15 and had a restricted license. (no night driving) We got pulled. Trooper made my dump out the vodka I had. My brother was about to shit himself.
nice.... I remember when cops were cool like that in SoCal. Now it is like every stop is money for them....
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darthstar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 3:56:24am |
re: #484 boxhead
As long as they did not see it... :) or, like one of my elder sibling has demonstrated, use puke as a controlled weapon. Long story, another day... LOL
My sister in law was pissed for a few weeks. We actually passed a guy getting arrested for drunk driving on the way back to my parents' house from the party. My nephew asked, "What do I do?" and I said, "Drive past them, speed limit, and don't slow down enough for the cop to see you."
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researchok Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:00:13am |
re: #488 darthstar
"Drive past them, speed limit, and don't slow down enough for the cop to see you."
Now you tell me.
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boxhead Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:01:35am |
re: #488 darthstar
My sister is like that too, but.. she ain't wrong, really. Now after diving my son all over creation in his youth, I reversed the trend. I think I was more happy for him to turn 18 with his license. When I have a few drinks away from home, I call my personal taxi... fun times...
and remember, don't drive when buzzed, there are always other options..
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darthstar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:05:37am |
Man, talk about a great find! Police in the UK found a bag in the trash near Rebekah Brooks' home with a computer, a cell phone, and some newscorp paperwork...what a coincidence! (and someone gets a free new phone!)
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researchok Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:06:40am |
China’s online population rises to 485 million as access by mobile phones spreads
China’s online population soared to 485 million as of the end of June as use of mobile phones to surf the Web spreads, an industry group reported Tuesday.
The number of Chinese Web users, already by far the world’s biggest, rose by 15.5 percent over a year earlier, according to the government-sanctioned China Internet Network Information Center.
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boxhead Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:08:36am |
re: #492 researchok
China’s online population rises to 485 million as access by mobile phones spreads
see, they are a communist country.
//
technology matters
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:10:11am |
re: #491 darthstar
Destroying computers and cell phones is the reason God made oceans. Just sayin'.
/
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researchok Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:11:18am |
re: #491 darthstar
Man, talk about a great find! Police in the UK found a bag in the trash near Rebekah Brooks' home with a computer, a cell phone, and some newscorp paperwork...what a coincidence! (and someone gets a free new phone!)
In all seriousness, I wonder if this goes beyond NewsCorp.
The news is a competitive business- technology adopted by one provider is soon adopted by all.
I don't know if this happened here, but the UK papers, while following the story, seem to have ratcheted down their tone a bit.
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researchok Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:12:03am |
re: #493 boxhead
see, they are a communist country.
//
technology matters
The numbers in China are astounding.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:17:44am |
Oh hai lizards.
Yesterday afternoon was the SCARIEST. DRIVE. HOME. EVER. It was downpouring rain, and lightning flashes like fucking pillars, and dead ahead was this wedge-shaped black cloud that was rocking back and forth and looked like it might form into a funnel at any moment.
Then, when I made it home, the power was out. Did not come back on the six hours and Teh Intertubz is still knocked out.
I went to the library where they had AC and lights to read by, but all the library computers sucked, LGF would just hang.
Glad to be back.
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laZardo Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:18:54am |
re: #496 researchok
The numbers in China are astounding.
Especially considering where the obsolete technology ends up.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:23:15am |
re: #496 researchok
The numbers in China are astounding.
And it's a more than a little frightening when you realize it's in the interest of the corporations to transfer wealth from the US to China. That's a market they crave. Not to everyone, of course, they still want their cheap-as-hell workers, but even a small percentage of middle-class consumers in China is bigger than the US. I think that's what behind a lot of the corporate malfeasance towards the US.
I think it also might be why China is being all neo-colonial in Africa; they want to start outsourcing some labor, as their average income rises.
| 501 |
researchok Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:24:10am |
re: #499 laZardo
Especially considering where the obsolete technology ends up.
[Video]
That is one scary video
No kidding.
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darthstar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:25:18am |
For those interested, the Parliament hearings where Murdoch and his spawn will be testifying can be found here:
[Link: www.parliamentlive.tv...]
Fuck yeah...this could be good.
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researchok Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:25:34am |
re: #500 Obdicut
And it's a more than a little frightening when you realize it's in the interest of the corporations to transfer wealth from the US to China. That's a market they crave. Not to everyone, of course, they still want their cheap-as-hell workers, but even a small percentage of middle-class consumers in China is bigger than the US. I think that's what behind a lot of the corporate malfeasance towards the US.
I think it also might be why China is being all neo-colonial in Africa; they want to start outsourcing some labor, as their average income rises.
I fully agree with you on this, on both counts.
The world markets are more intertwined than ever.
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darthstar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:26:13am |
re: #502 darthstar
For those interested, the Parliament hearings where Murdoch and his spawn will be testifying can be found here:
[Link: www.parliamentlive.tv...]
Fuck yeah...this could be good.
Right now, some lackey from Scotland Yard is getting some pointed questions.
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researchok Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:27:22am |
re: #502 darthstar
For those interested, the Parliament hearings where Murdoch and his spawn will be testifying can be found here:
[Link: www.parliamentlive.tv...]
Fuck yeah...this could be good.
Kabuki for public consumption, more than like likely.
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Flounder Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:33:10am |
I gotta admire the beancounters here at work, took me half an hour, but I discovered my error. I tried to screw-em for $1.02. WHEW. I guess I'm not gonna buy two newspapers today.
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researchok Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:33:59am |
re: #506 Shropshire_Slasher
Are you watching/listening to the inquiry?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:38:32am |
re: #506 Shropshire_Slasher
I gotta admire the beancounters here at work, took me half an hour, but I discovered my error. I tried to screw-em for $1.02. WHEW. I guess I'm not gonna buy two newspapers today.
A fellow manager and I had to do DAILY inventory because our liquor cost was high. (a bartender was stealing) We were all happy with our numbers, had a drink, went home happy. While extending the inventory (didn't have computers to do it for us) we both fucked up on the same number. The GM caught it. Numbers were right back where they started. D'oh!!! My happy day was when I fired the bartender, though.:)
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:38:39am |
re: #507 researchok
Mmm. Stephenson being a bit defensive. If he did absolutely nothing wrong, as he's saying, if the case shouldn't have been a priority, if he only learned about it recently, if there wasn't any serious error in judgement in hiring the ex NOW journalist, why did he feel it was necessary to resign?
Playing the martyr a little strong.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:41:28am |
re: #498 Alouette
Did you see the latest dumbtilla news?
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:49:05am |
re: #507 researchok
And now Stephenson is basically just blaming Yates.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:49:49am |
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laZardo Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:51:07am |
re: #512 Cannadian Club Akbar
I'll have 2 hard shell tacos, a beef meximelt and an infant son. And a small diet coke.
TACO BELL IS-
oh wait, it's always been people. carry on.
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Flounder Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:53:18am |
Does anyone agree with this article?
[Link: www.businessinsider.com...]
I have a hard time judging the pulse of the people. Does this carry water where you live? Here near Albany NY, even the state is laying off 4,500 people.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:53:47am |
re: #510 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Did you see the latest dumbtilla news?
No humanitarian aid was confiscated. (Because the vessel wasn't carrying any. Not enough room for all the attention queens.)
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researchok Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:55:20am |
re: #509 Obdicut
Mmm. Stephenson being a bit defensive. If he did absolutely nothing wrong, as he's saying, if the case shouldn't have been a priority, if he only learned about it recently, if there wasn't any serious error in judgement in hiring the ex NOW journalist, why did he feel it was necessary to resign?
Playing the martyr a little strong.
Theater, IMO.
He's been asked about why he didn't inform the PM about certain individuals in the case (which is like asking why the FBI and AG don't discuss details of cases with the president).
The matter of accepting gifts in the UK is different than here. Gifts can be accepted as long as they are reported. (value limits are higher)
As for resignations, that is very different in the UK than here. In errors in judgement or appearances of bad judgement, people will resign.
That is a big difference from here. Few, if any, resigned after 9/11 intelligence debacle.
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Flounder Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:56:09am |
Heh, the most beautiful day of your life [Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:57:31am |
re: #516 researchok
As for resignations, that is very different in the UK than here. In errors in judgement or appearances of bad judgement, people will resign.
Yes, but he's being massively defensive. He's really laying plenty of blame on subordinates, especially Yates, but distancing himself from the errors of judgement. He's trying to diminish the appearance of any errors of judgement on his own part.
He's not taking any responsibility at all.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:57:33am |
re: #517 Shropshire_Slasher
Heh, the most beautiful day of your life [Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]
"Click here to enlarge photos". Uh, no thanks.
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Flounder Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:58:20am |
re: #520 Cannadian Club Akbar
Do you really think she should be wearing white?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:58:38am |
Morning Lizardim. Not a big fan of summer heat even on most days, but doubly so when I come down with a nasty case of sinus blockage. I wasn't even able to make it into the office yesterday. How is everyone on this terribly hot and humid Midwest day?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:59:03am |
re: #521 Shropshire_Slasher
Do you really think she should be wearing white?
No, but he'd better be wearing black.
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laZardo Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:59:20am |
re: #522 thedopefishlives
Morning Lizardim. Not a big fan of summer heat even on most days, but doubly so when I come down with a nasty case of sinus blockage. I wasn't even able to make it into the office yesterday. How is everyone on this terribly hot and humid Midwest day?
I'm 24 now.
:/
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researchok Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:00:01am |
re: #519 Obdicut
Yes, but he's being massively defensive. He's really laying plenty of blame on subordinates, especially Yates, but distancing himself from the errors of judgement. He's trying to diminish the appearance of any errors of judgement on his own part.
He's not taking any responsibility at all.
If he has no direct culpability, he need not be held personally responsible.
He assumed professional responsibility with is resignation.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:00:36am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:00:46am |
re: #524 laZardo
I'm 24 now.
:/
Congratulations, welcome to the cadre of old farts. The chair recognizes new member laZardo.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:01:39am |
re: #515 Alouette
No humanitarian aid was confiscated. (Because the vessel wasn't carrying any. Not enough room for all the attention queens.)
Impossible. It was loaded with love letters, and just dripping with good will and solidarity.
9_9
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:03:27am |
re: #525 researchok
If he has no direct culpability, he need not be held personally responsible.
He assumed professional responsibility with is resignation.
But he's not assuming any professional responsibility in saying that he could have done something different in any way. If he didn't do anything wrong, then why resign? I lived in the UK, I know the culture in the UK, and I would not agree that people tend to resign at even the appearance of misjudgment, otherwise John Prescott would have resigned about 20 times by now, as would every single minister involved in the expenses scandals.
What he seems to be implying is that his biggest failing was not recognizing that Yates was incompetent, but he's not actually taking responsibility for that. He's just blaming Yates, while po-facedly claiming that he has full faith in Mr. Yates. That last bit is especially sleazy.
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garhighway Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:03:38am |
re: #514 Shropshire_Slasher
Does anyone agree with this article?
[Link: www.businessinsider.com...]
I have a hard time judging the pulse of the people. Does this carry water where you live? Here near Albany NY, even the state is laying off 4,500 people.
I don't know the commentator, but the fact that his blog is entitled "The Economic Collapse" might be a clue as to his world view. And: what a surprise! his post is consistent with that world view.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:04:40am |
re: #530 garhighway
I don't know the commentator, but the fact that his blog is entitled "The Economic Collapse" might be a clue as to his world view. And: what a surprise! his post is consistent with that world view.
But the comments were lovely.
/
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:05:48am |
re: #530 garhighway
The reason the economy is freaking out is that the GOP appears to be either serious about engaging with default or so incompetent that they may not be able to avoid us going into default.
They're playing chicken while drunk.
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kirkspencer Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:06:54am |
re: #527 thedopefishlives
Congratulations, welcome to the cadre of old farts. The chair recognizes new member laZardo.
24 is old fart territory? What does that make those of us who got into the club while Reagan was president?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:07:47am |
re: #533 kirkspencer
24 is old fart territory? What does that make those of us who got into the club while Reagan was president?
"Senior Citizens".
/ducks
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researchok Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:09:13am |
re: #529 Obdicut
But he's not assuming any professional responsibility in saying that he could have done something different in any way. If he didn't do anything wrong, then why resign? I lived in the UK, I know the culture in the UK, and I would not agree that people tend to resign at even the appearance of misjudgment, otherwise John Prescott would have resigned about 20 times by now, as would every single minister involved in the expenses scandals.
What he seems to be implying is that his biggest failing was not recognizing that Yates was incompetent, but he's not actually taking responsibility for that. He's just blaming Yates, while po-facedly claiming that he has full faith in Mr. Yates. That last bit is especially sleazy.
His resignation is tacit acceptance of his responsibility.
As for UK culture, I grew up in the UK. These kinds of resignations are not uncommon (perhaps less so now, but still not uncommon. Ken Livingstone is the embodiment of the 'new' UK).
Also, there is a lot of 20/20 hindsight going on here now.
I don't believe Stephenson will suffer any lasting damage.
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kirkspencer Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:09:27am |
re: #534 thedopefishlives
"Senior Citizens".
/ducks
You better duck, and maybe run, cause me and my walker are going to have a dance party on your ass. //
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Flounder Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:09:53am |
re: #532 Obdicut
I don't know wh Steve Wynn is, but he has his opinion on the economy [Link: www.businessinsider.com...]
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researchok Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:10:08am |
re: #529 Obdicut
How long were you in the UK?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:11:01am |
re: #536 kirkspencer
You better duck, and maybe run, cause me and my walker are going to have a dance party on your ass. //
Do you have tennis balls on the front legs of your walker to keep it from sliding?
/
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:11:38am |
re: #535 researchok
His resignation is tacit acceptance of his responsibility.
Dude, I understand that's what you're saying. I'm pointing out the disconnect between that and what he's saying now. He's not admitting to a single error of judgement.
Also, there is a lot of 20/20 hindsight going on here now.
I don't believe Stephenson will suffer any lasting damage.
I think the fact that he claimed that he'd never had a conversation with Mr. Wallis and then said that Wallis gave him advice on speeches may cause him a problem or two.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:11:58am |
re: #537 Shropshire_Slasher
I don't know wh Steve Wynn is, but he has his opinion on the economy [Link: www.businessinsider.com...]
If you don't know who he is, why do you give a shit what he says?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:12:21am |
re: #539 Cannadian Club Akbar
Do you have tennis balls on the front legs of your walker to keep it from sliding?
/
Actually, to help it slide. 2 thought, 1 post. Sheesh.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:12:32am |
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researchok Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:13:45am |
re: #540 Obdicut
Dude, I understand that's what you're saying. I'm pointing out the disconnect between that and what he's saying now. He's not admitting to a single error of judgement.
I think the fact that he claimed that he'd never had a conversation with Mr. Wallis and then said that Wallis gave him advice on speeches may cause him a problem or two.
But he's not even being blamed for anything!
He's being asked, 'In retrospect would you have handles things differently...'
'Do you think you should have been informed..'
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:14:00am |
re: #544 Shropshire_Slasher
harsh
No, seriously. This is some guy. You've got no idea who he is. So why do you care what he's saying?
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garhighway Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:14:17am |
re: #532 Obdicut
The reason the economy is freaking out is that the GOP appears to be either serious about engaging with default or so incompetent that they may not be able to avoid us going into default.
They're playing chicken while drunk.
I think that the cause of the current state of the economy is a little more complicated than that. That the GOP has been irresponsible is certain (even David Brooks is disappointed with them!), but the fundamentals are weak and everyone knows it. We have consistently underestimated the damage the near-depression of 2008 did to the economy, and as a result, we have been unwilling to address those issues on the appropriate scale.
This has been a situation where the Venn diagram of "what we needed to do" and "what we had the political will to do" had no overlap.
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researchok Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:14:30am |
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Flounder Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:17:14am |
re: #546 Obdicut
I'd much rather get into a pissing match with you about what he said in the article.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:18:56am |
re: #545 researchok
But he's not even being blamed for anything!
I'm kind of lost at what you're saying. I'm not saying he's being blamed for anything.
He's being asked, 'In retrospect would you have handles things differently...''Do you think you should have been informed..'
Yes. And his response is the two-faced one that he has full faith in Mr. Yates but it was all Mr. Yates' information that led him to conclude the original investigation was just fine, and then, when the Guardian began publishing new stories, that there was nothing about the original investigation that warranted anything more.
He's refusing to take, or to place, responsibility, except in the most sideline way, but repeating that Mr. Yates, Mr. Yates, Mr. Yates was responsible for all his information, but claiming he has full faith in him.
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researchok Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:20:31am |
re: #550 Obdicut
I'm kind of lost at what you're saying. I'm not saying he's being blamed for anything.
Yes. And his response is the two-faced one that he has full faith in Mr. Yates but it was all Mr. Yates' information that led him to conclude the original investigation was just fine, and then, when the Guardian began publishing new stories, that there was nothing about the original investigation that warranted anything more.
He's refusing to take, or to place, responsibility, except in the most sideline way, but repeating that Mr. Yates, Mr. Yates, Mr. Yates was responsible for all his information, but claiming he has full faith in him.
Wasn't that Yates job, to provide Stephenson with information?
| 552 |
Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:21:32am |
re: #549 Shropshire_Slasher
I'd much rather get into a pissing match with you about what he said in the article.
Ah. So he's some guy, you've got no idea who he is, you won't explain why you care about what he says, but you really want me to care about what he says.
For the record, Wynn is a casino developer. The article you cited is just a rant, with no actual facts attached. Why you think so much of it, and why you think that Wynn is a credible voice, I have no clue.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:26:02am |
re: #551 researchok
Wasn't that Yates job, to provide Stephenson with information?
Yes. And what Stephenson is saying is that Yates didn't do that job well. Yet he's saying he fully backs Yates. That's the disconnect I'm pointing out. If all of Stephenson's information about the phone hacking investigation was being funneled by Yates-- who was best friends with a NOW editor-- that's very problematic. He's denying that's problematic, which is blankly odd.
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kirkspencer Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:27:05am |
re: #542 Cannadian Club Akbar
Actually, to help it slide. 2 thought, 1 post. Sheesh.
pfft - you're young yet. Wait'll it's two posts, one... wait, what was I saying?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:28:23am |
re: #555 kirkspencer
pfft - you're young yet. Wait'll it's two posts, one... wait, what was I saying?
I pee every morning at 7.
I poop every morning at 8.
I wake up at 9.
/
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kirkspencer Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:28:30am |
re: #547 garhighway
I think that the cause of the current state of the economy is a little more complicated than that. That the GOP has been irresponsible is certain (even David Brooks is disappointed with them!), but the fundamentals are weak and everyone knows it. We have consistently underestimated the damage the near-depression of 2008 did to the economy, and as a result, we have been unwilling to address those issues on the appropriate scale.
This has been a situation where the Venn diagram of "what we needed to do" and "what we had the political will to do" had no overlap.
Actually, there was some small overlap in the Venn. We did enough to stop the plunge, just not enough to jumpstart the recovery.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:28:42am |
re: #549 Shropshire_Slasher
I'd much rather get into a pissing match with you about what he said in the article.
That's a little tough to do if the source itself is irrelevant, or discredited. Find someone with some background in the subject who says the same thing, and then we can discuss the merits of the ideas.
| 559 |
Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:30:16am |
The minister just asked what I wondered-- why Stephenson resigned.
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researchok Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:32:38am |
re: #559 Obdicut
The minister just asked what I wondered-- why Stephenson resigned.
Yes, that was a softball for him to hit out of the park- which he did.
They left him with 'You are a wonderful man, great police officer and leader with a great reputation.
He left unscathed.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:33:06am |
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:38:43am |
re: #560 researchok
Yes, that was a softball for him to hit out of the park- which he did.
No, he didn't. He didn't answer it. I have no idea why you feel he hit it out of the park. He simply said that it showed leadership to resign, but didn't explain why.
They left him with 'You are a wonderful man, great police officer and leader with a great reputation.He left unscathed.
You're coming at this from a very odd angle. I have no interest in whether he's scathed or not. I don't know why you think that's my interest.
I'm pointing out that he's said that Mr. Yates was his channel of information about the NOW stuff, Yates was good friends with a NOW editor, there turns out to have been tons of evidence not reviewed in the original investigation, and that the sum total of that is that the original investigation was not, actually a complete one, nor was the review a good one. Stephenson's entire testimony was basically "You'll have to ask Mr. Yates".
I'm not alleging that Stephenson is being untruthful, or that he should have been more involved. At most, I'm pointing out that saying he has full faith in Mr. Yates while heavily implying that any mistakes that were made were done by Mr. Yates-- which I find two-faced of him.
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researchok Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:38:54am |
re: #561 Obdicut
No, Cambridge, Oxford, and Bath.
I take it you can now scull with the best of them.
Or, push with a pole.
| 564 |
Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:40:11am |
re: #563 researchok
I take it you can now scull with the best of them.
Or, push with a pole.
Nah. I wasn't really hanging with punters or crew.
| 565 |
researchok Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:41:34am |
re: #562 Obdicut
No, he didn't. He didn't answer it. I have no idea why you feel he hit it out of the park. He simply said that it showed leadership to resign, but didn't explain why.
You're coming at this from a very odd angle. I have no interest in whether he's scathed or not. I don't know why you think that's my interest.
I'm pointing out that he's said that Mr. Yates was his channel of information about the NOW stuff, Yates was good friends with a NOW editor, there turns out to have been tons of evidence not reviewed in the original investigation, and that the sum total of that is that the original investigation was not, actually a complete one, nor was the review a good one. Stephenson's entire testimony was basically "You'll have to ask Mr. Yates".
I'm not alleging that Stephenson is being untruthful, or that he should have been more involved. At most, I'm pointing out that saying he has full faith in Mr. Yates while heavily implying that any mistakes that were made were done by Mr. Yates-- which I find two-faced of him.
As far as I am concerned, all of this is theater. The Stephenson/Yates business buys time fro the main event, IMO.
What counts is what Brooks, Murdoch Junior and and other close confidants have to say.
Will they back Murdoch or will they fold and sink him?
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:42:49am |
re: #565 researchok
As far as I am concerned, all of this is theater. The Stephenson/Yates business buys time fro the main event, IMO.
You do get this is actual testimony, right?
What counts is what Brooks, Murdoch Junior and and other close confidants have to say.
That certainly matters, but in terms of how this will affect the Met, the testimony of its officers is of huge importance.
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researchok Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:43:57am |
re: #564 Obdicut
Nah. I wasn't really hanging with punters or crew.
I used to take GF's to Cambridge on day trips. Freaked them out when they realized the pole pushers on the canals were often Phd candidates
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:44:35am |
re: #567 researchok
I used to take GF's to Cambridge on day trips. Freaked them out when they realized the pole pushers on the canals were often Phd candidates
Like cabbies in the other Cambridge.
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researchok Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:45:18am |
re: #566 Obdicut
You do get this is actual testimony, right?
That certainly matters, but in terms of how this will affect the Met, the testimony of its officers is of huge importance.
The Met, like SY is pretty insulated.
I suspect there will be some changes re contacts with the media, but not much else.
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researchok Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:46:57am |
re: #568 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Like cabbies in the other Cambridge.
Exactly
There is something about a Phd candidate in his 5th year and still not done with his research.
That glassy, wild eyed and panicked look.
Makes the girls sit a little closer.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:47:33am |
re: #569 researchok
The Met, like SY is pretty insulated.
I suspect there will be some changes re contacts with the media, but not much else.
That's nice.
Now the PR manager has also blamed Mr. Yates for everything. Mr. Yates, I believe, has been selected as the blame magnet.
And having the two top guys resign is already a huge change.
| 572 |
researchok Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:50:08am |
re: #571 Obdicut
That's nice.
Now the PR manager has also blamed Mr. Yates for everything. Mr. Yates, I believe, has been selected as the blame magnet.
And having the two top guys resign is already a huge change.
Maybe.
It all depends on their replacements are.
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kirkspencer Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:50:44am |
re: #571 Obdicut
That's nice.
Now the PR manager has also blamed Mr. Yates for everything. Mr. Yates, I believe, has been selected as the blame magnet.
And having the two top guys resign is already a huge change.
If Mr. Yates is feeling unhappy at being "it" there's a distinct possibility his testimony will reference the frequent involvement of both these other gentlemen.
"We will all go together when we go..."
| 575 |
Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:52:52am |
re: #574 kirkspencer
Yep. Or yet someone else.
The fact that about 1/4 of the people working in the Met's PR's department were from NOW is a bit hard to blame on Yates, as well.
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researchok Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:54:05am |
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:01:32am |
I'm accountable but I've done nothing wrong.
I do not understand people who say this.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:03:16am |
Yates is not willing to accept the blame. He's punting it right back.
| 580 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:03:58am |
re: #578 Obdicut
I do not understand people who say this.
I would imagine it means someone the person is responsible for did something without the supervisor's knowledge.
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lawhawk Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:05:23am |
re: #569 researchok
Scotland Yard is the Metropolitan Police of London. They're referring to the same force.
| 582 |
Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:07:15am |
Yates seems really unhappy to have gotten the blame dumped on him.
| 583 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:07:33am |
re: #582 Obdicut
Yates seems really unhappy to have gotten the blame dumped on him.
Gee, can't imagine why./
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:13:28am |
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:23:55am |
Now Yates is using the 'I received assurances' line. Everyone's kicking the can down the road.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:29:38am |
rotfl
[Link: www.politifact.com...]
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:29:48am |
In general, though, Yates is coming off quite well, and quite professionally. However he's basically saying that his review didn't include reviewing the old evidence. So the original investigation was narrow, and the review was narrow, and yet there was all this unexamined evidence, and unexamined cases. The Met's general answer on this seems to be that it wasn't a priority, because they were busy with the war on terror.
| 588 |
Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:37:14am |
Now the Murdoch's are up:
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]
They've just been denied the ability to make an opening statement.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:38:06am |
re: #584 Cannadian Club Akbar
He'll sue Makita or DeWalt or whatever saw he had for not having a warning label on the tool that stated
NOT TO BE USED AS SURGICAL INSTRUMENT
/
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McSpiff Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:38:53am |
re: #588 Obdicut
Now the Murdoch's are up:
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]
They've just been denied the ability to make an opening statement.
This is beautiful.
| 592 |
lawhawk Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:47:47am |
Hackers hit The Sun, posting story that Murdoch's body was found in a garden.
A group of Internet hackers took aim at Rupert Murdoch late Monday, defacing the website of U.K. tabloid The Sun.Visitors to The Sun website were redirected to a page featuring a story saying Murdoch's dead body had been found in his garden.
Internet hacking collective Lulz Security took responsibility for the hacking attack via Twitter, calling it a successful part of "Murdoch Meltdown Monday."
"We have owned Sun/News of the World," the group posted on its Twitter account, later adding what it claimed were details of hacked internal staff data from The Sun and eventually redirecting the paper's website to its own Twitter feed.
Lulz Security, which has previously claimed hacks on major entertainment companies, FBI partner organizations and the CIA, hinted that more was yet to come, saying "This is only the beginning."
With the Murdoch's now on the firing line in front of the MPs, one can only hope that they give him the grilling that he deserves. Let's hope they ask the questions that other media outlets have been unwilling to ask.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:48:29am |
re: #592 lawhawk
James is really not a good person to respond. He's stammering and seems nervous (and guilty) as hell.
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McSpiff Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:50:21am |
re: #593 Obdicut
James is really not a good person to respond. He's stammering and seems nervous (and guilty) as hell.
Also, they seem to be claiming that News International is totally unable to investigate itself. Their defense seems to be "if the police didn't know we were committing any crimes, how could we?"
| 595 |
Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:51:18am |
re: #594 McSpiff
Murdoch senior is slapping the table in a really funny way.
He's claiming he didn't know that Brooks was giving testimony to Parliament in 2003. Nobody informed him. Amazing.
And unbelievable.
| 597 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:52:47am |
| 598 |
McSpiff Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:52:55am |
re: #595 Obdicut
Murdoch senior is slapping the table in a really funny way.
He's claiming he didn't know that Brooks was giving testimony to Parliament in 2003. Nobody informed him. Amazing.
And unbelievable.
Having either of them testify was a mistake.
| 599 |
Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:53:59am |
| 600 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:54:40am |
re: #596 laZardo
Wait a minute, I thought they "disbanded."
Oh, please. Even if the original hacker group itself did disband, that only means that some new script kiddie punk can pick up the name.
| 601 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:55:05am |
re: #598 McSpiff
Having either of them testify was a mistake.
This isn't a court of law, where they have a defense lawyer and can choose not to testify on their own behalf
This isn't even the US congress where they can use the 5th amendment
| 602 |
lawhawk Tue, Jul 19, 2011 6:59:52am |
Meanwhile, the NY Post doesn't have a single link on the front page to the big news of the day - that the Murdoch's are being grilled by the MPs in the UK.
| 603 |
McSpiff Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:02:00am |
re: #601 sattv4u2
This isn't a court of law, where they have a defense lawyer and can choose not to testify on their own behalf
This isn't even the US congress where they can use the 5th amendment
I'm too tired to actually get links to cite this, but I believe Robert as a foreign national has the ability to refuse a parliamentary summons without penalty.
| 604 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:03:44am |
re: #603 McSpiff
I'm too tired to actually get links to cite this, but I believe Robert as a foreign national has the ability to refuse a parliamentary summons without penalty.
He was raised in England
Perhaps he still maintains citizenship
| 605 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:04:55am |
| 606 |
lawhawk Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:07:19am |
re: #605 Cannadian Club Akbar
For what it's worth, the Daily News covers the ongoing Murdoch hearings in the UK, but buries the story way down on its page below the fold.
Serving bad meat to the prisoners on Rikers Island gets top billing there.
| 607 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:08:51am |
re: #606 lawhawk
For what it's worth, the Daily News covers the ongoing Murdoch hearings in the UK, but buries the story way down on its page below the fold.
Serving bad meat to the prisoners on Rikers Island gets top billing there.
Is their "World News" blurbs always below the fold?
If so, then it's just procedure
If not, they're attempting to somewhat bury it
| 608 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:09:14am |
| 609 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:09:22am |
re: #606 lawhawk
AND they spelled "honcos" wrong.
| 610 |
McSpiff Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:09:27am |
re: #604 sattv4u2
He was raised in England
Perhaps he still maintains citizenship
I believe by citizenship he's Australian but I could be mistaken.
| 611 |
Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:11:02am |
Murdoch is clearly still pissed off about losing the BskyB bid.
| 612 |
blueraven Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:11:03am |
re: #610 McSpiff
I believe by citizenship he's Australian but I could be mistaken.
He is an American citizen. He had to change that to own the newspapers.
| 613 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:12:14am |
re: #610 McSpiff
I believe by citizenship he's Australian but I could be mistaken.
Australian citizenship lost in 1985 (under S17 of Australian Citizenship Act 1948) with acquisition of U.S nationality
[Link: www.ask.com...]
| 614 |
McSpiff Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:14:35am |
re: #613 sattv4u2
Australian citizenship lost in 1985 (under S17 of Australian Citizenship Act 1948) with acquisition of U.S nationality[Link: www.ask.com...]
Keener.
| 615 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:15:02am |
re: #588 Obdicut
Now the Murdoch's are up:
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]
They've just been denied the ability to make an opening statement.
Thanks for posting that.
| 616 |
lawhawk Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:15:15am |
re: #607 sattv4u2
The Daily News' world news is below the fold, but a top story would be above the fold. They didn't deem it worthy of top billing, despite it affecting their chief rival in NYC (the Post).
| 617 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:15:18am |
re: #600 thedopefishlives
Oh, please. Even if the original hacker group itself did disband, that only means that some new script kiddie punk can pick up the name.
Yep. It's a name. That's really all it ever was.
| 618 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:16:08am |
I don't think James could appear any more evasive and dissembling than he does now, even if he tried.
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blueraven Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:16:50am |
re: #612 blueraven
He is an American citizen. He had to change that to own the newspapers.
oops... not the newspapers but the tv station
In 1985 Murdoch became a United States citizen to satisfy legislation that only United States citizens could own American television stations. This also resulted in Murdoch losing his Australian citizenship.[42][43]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
| 620 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:16:57am |
re: #616 lawhawk
The Daily News' world news is below the fold, but a top story would be above the fold. They didn't deem it worthy of top billing, despite it affecting their chief rival in NYC (the Post).
Thanks
| 621 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:20:03am |
re: #619 blueraven
Fox Broadcasting was very smart. The got the rights to the NFL and built programming around it.
| 622 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:22:16am |
When asked by Therese Coffey if the NoW closure was a commercial decision, Rupert Murdoch said: "Far from it.".
I wonder how the shareholders feel about this. Was NotW publicly traded?
| 623 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:23:05am |
re: #621 Cannadian Club Akbar
Fox Broadcasting was very smart. The got the rights to the NFL and built programming around it.
I'd tackle Lisa Cuddy!!
[Link: www.google.com...]
//
| 624 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:24:06am |
re: #618 Fozzie Bear
I don't think James could appear any more evasive and dissembling than he does now, even if he tried.
He almost reminds me of Jim Carrey in that Liar movie.
| 625 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:24:30am |
re: #622 Fozzie Bear
When asked by Therese Coffey if the NoW closure was a commercial decision, Rupert Murdoch said: "Far from it.".
I wonder how the shareholders feel about this. Was NotW publicly traded?
As a stand-alone, I doubt it
Just a part of the whole, like WTBS was only a piece of Turners network of stations
| 626 |
lawhawk Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:26:31am |
re: #622 Fozzie Bear
News Corp (NWS) includes the following corporate entities under its fold:
It produces and distributes movies through Fox Filmed Entertainment, while its FOX Broadcasting network boasts more than 200 affiliate stations in the US. The company also owns and operates more than 25 TV stations, as well as a portfolio of cable networks. Its publishing businesses include newspaper publishers Dow Jones (The Wall Street Journal) and News International (The Times, London), and book publisher HarperCollins. In addition, News Corporation has stakes in British Sky Broadcasting (BSkyB) and Sky Deutschland.
That description may have been updated since the NotW being shuttered, but it was in the same newspaper division as News International IIRC.
| 627 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:29:16am |
re: #626 lawhawk
I don't see Fox radio in there.
| 628 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:29:39am |
re: #626 lawhawk
News Corp (NWS) includes the following corporate entities under its fold:
That description may have been updated since the NotW being shuttered, but it was in the same newspaper division as News International IIRC.
I'd be interested to know if making a business decision on the basis of "personal shame" (Rupert's words) is a legally permissible basis for making a decision such as shutting down a publicly traded company such as NotW. Wouldn't that constitute a breach of their responsibility to shareholders?
| 629 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:29:57am |
Anyone seen albusteve this morning!?!?!
Albuquerque copper thief likely injured by jolt
[Link: www.cnsnews.com...]
Albuquerque police say at least one vandal was likely seriously injured trying to steal copper from an elementary school because the thieves left behind several melted tools and a scorched T-shirt.
//
| 630 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:31:27am |
| 631 |
lawhawk Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:31:31am |
re: #628 Fozzie Bear
NWS is already facing shareholder suits as a result of the hacking scandal diminishing share price, and I'd expect that those bringing the suits will amend and expand the causes of action accordingly depending on what the Murdochs say at these hearings and as explanations for their actions over the past couple of months.
| 632 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:34:01am |
re: #631 lawhawk
NWS is already facing shareholder suits as a result of the hacking scandal diminishing share price, and I'd expect that those bringing the suits will amend and expand the causes of action accordingly depending on what the Murdochs say at these hearings and as explanations for their actions over the past couple of months.
Their stock is up this a.m.
About halfway between the 52 week high/low
[Link: finance.yahoo.com...]
| 633 |
ReamWorks SKG Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:35:57am |
Here's an intereseting one.
TED, the company that hosts forums that calls itself "ideas worth spreading" censored a comment made to a talk about Free Speech.
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
Image: 5954622000_06e8282687_o.png
According to TED, the comment was removed because it had too many "mark as offensive" votes from readers. The prophesy in the comment has come true!
| 634 |
Gus Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:39:01am |
My name is Sammy Small, fuck 'em all...
So I'm sitting outside this morning smoking a cigarette and thinking about "greater schemes" and things. My stupid life; this pale blue dot revolving around the sun; etc. Suddenly it hit me. There are far greater important things going on in this world then this New Corp scandal side show.
| 635 |
Gus Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:40:21am |
And the greater tragedy of typing out "then" rather than "than". OK, coffee's ready.
| 636 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:40:26am |
re: #634 Gus 802
My name is Sammy Small, fuck 'em all...
So I'm sitting outside this morning smoking a cigarette and thinking about "greater schemes" and things. My stupid life; this pale blue dot revolving around the sun; etc. Suddenly it hit me. There are far greater important things going on in this world then this New Corp scandal side show.
Far out man//
| 637 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:40:51am |
re: #633 reuven
Here's an intereseting one.
TED, the company that hosts forums that calls itself "ideas worth spreading" censored a comment made to a talk about Free Speech.
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
Image: 5954622000_06e8282687_o.png
According to TED, the comment was removed because it had too many "mark as offensive" votes from readers. The prophesy in the comment has come true!
I don't find that interesting or illuminating. The comment was an incendiary ad-hom attack on the speaker. TED ins't in the business of providing a forum to extremists. It exists to provide a forum for discussion and exposition of philosophy, science, technology, and the arts. I fail to see how deleting a personal attack on the speaker counts as censorship, any more than kicking a belligerent drunk out of a bar counts as discrimination.
| 638 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:40:53am |
re: #633 reuven
Who is the "she" the comment refers to?
| 639 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:41:12am |
re: #635 Gus 802
And the greater tragedy of typing out "then" rather than "than". OK, coffee's ready.
Very dark, no sugar for me please
OH , and while you're up, could you get me a danish??
| 640 |
Gus Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:41:27am |
re: #636 sattv4u2
Far out man//
Strange but true! Just call me Dali Gus from now on. OK, too conceded.
| 641 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:42:32am |
re: #640 Gus 802
Strange but true! Just call me Dali Gus from now on. OK, too conceded.
Maybe that "pale blue dot" SHOULD be in the middle of your forehead!!
/
| 642 |
Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:42:48am |
| 643 |
Gus Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:43:49am |
re: #639 sattv4u2
Very dark, no sugar for me please
OH , and while you're up, could you get me a danish??
I there's ever any sugar in my coffee I'll know we're being robbed and reach for my .45.
//
| 644 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:43:59am |
| 645 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:44:23am |
| 646 |
Gus Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:45:04am |
re: #644 sattv4u2
Thats due to the artery he travels on!
Thankfully I'm nowhere near the Garden State Parkway and the NJ Turnpike.
//
| 647 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:46:12am |
re: #646 Gus 802
Thankfully I'm nowhere near the Garden State Parkway and the NJ Turnpike.
//
aptly named!
| 649 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:47:41am |
re: #643 Gus 802
I there's ever any sugar in my coffee I'll know we're being robbed and reach for my .45.
//
At work, we have on of those sugar dispensers you see in diners
co-worker pours sugar into his cup from it for about 4-5 seconds
I've asked him "do you even know what coffee tastes like!?!?!"
| 650 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:48:35am |
Murdoch's are throwing the top executives under the bus. It's every man for themselves.
| 651 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:49:26am |
I find it hard impossible to believe that a manager could spend 1 million pounds on bribes and never inform his superiors.
Rupert is lying his fucking ass off.
| 652 |
Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:50:28am |
re: #650 Killgore Trout
Yeah. There's a lot of "I absolutely support him but he's the one what did it" going on.
| 653 |
Gus Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:51:15am |
re: #650 Killgore Trout
Murdoch's are throwing the top executives under the bus. It's every man for themselves.
Would be cool to see him fling them over the castle wall with a catapult.
//
| 654 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:51:20am |
re: #650 Killgore Trout
Murdoch's are throwing the top executives under the bus. It's every man for themselves.
People are going to start turning on each other, in a big way, but it will only happen if further charges (i.e., executives doing serious time) is on the table. Otherwise, being a whistleblower is more of a career death sentence than being a crook. ESPECIALLY in media.
| 655 |
garhighway Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:51:20am |
re: #637 Fozzie Bear
I don't find that interesting or illuminating. The comment was an incendiary ad-hom attack on the speaker. TED ins't in the business of providing a forum to extremists. It exists to provide a forum for discussion and exposition of philosophy, science, technology, and the arts. I fail to see how deleting a personal attack on the speaker counts as censorship, any more than kicking a belligerent drunk out of a bar counts as discrimination.
Or any more than bribing cops to get victim's personal info is protected by the First Amendment.
| 657 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:52:35am |
re: #655 garhighway
Or any more than bribing cops to get victim's personal info is protected by the First Amendment.
Why do you hate America The UK ? /
| 658 |
Lidane Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:52:43am |
More GOP idiocy:
Reince Priebus accuses Obama of 'an apparent crime'
Priebus’s letter argues that Obama appears to have violated the Hatch Act, a federal law that restricts political activity and fundraising by federal employees. One part of that law makes it illegal for officials, including the president, to “solicit … a donation of money or other thing of value in connection with a Federal, State, or local election, while in any room or building occupied in the discharge of official duties.”
However, some good-government groups and campaign finance experts have shrugged off the Obama video and the related raffle, which was announced last month and sought a campaign donation of at least $5. In the fine print, it said no donation was required. And one expert said Monday that Priebus’s letter was off the mark.
“This letter is an embarrassment to the Republican Party, of which I count myself a part,” said Richard Painter, an ethics lawyer in President George W. Bush’s White House.
“The small donors get nothing in return for their donation except a chance to support a candidate they believe in — until this raffle. Now they get a raffle ticket entitling them [to] a very small chance of getting the type of meeting that a big donor has for the asking,” Painter said. “To call this a crime yet ignore the larger problem is absurd. Writing this kind of letter — after standing in the way of campaign finance reform — is laughable.”
| 659 |
garhighway Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:55:09am |
I haven't been watching the hearings. Has anyone asked the Murdochs how much money they have paid to settle the hacking suits (I gather that they have paid some serious coin), and how those sums are consistent with their ignorance of wrongdoing?
| 660 |
Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:56:15am |
re: #658 Lidane
“The small donors get nothing in return for their donation except a chance to support a candidate they believe in — until this raffle. Now they get a raffle ticket entitling them [to] a very small chance of getting the type of meeting that a big donor has for the asking,” Painter said. “To call this a crime yet ignore the larger problem is absurd. Writing this kind of letter — after standing in the way of campaign finance reform — is laughable.”
That's a very good point.
| 661 |
Gus Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:56:30am |
re: #658 Lidane
More GOP idiocy:
I like this part:
“This letter is an embarrassment to the Republican Party, of which I count myself a part,” said Richard Painter, an ethics lawyer in President George W. Bush’s White House.
Welcome to the post-modern American world. Where just about everything is an embarrassment to the Republican Party mankind.
| 662 |
Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:57:04am |
re: #659 garhighway
I haven't been watching the hearings. Has anyone asked the Murdochs how much money they have paid to settle the hacking suits (I gather that they have paid some serious coin), and how those sums are consistent with their ignorance of wrongdoing?
Yes. They talked around it at great length.
Their main strategy appears to be that they really don't know anything and they're rather above it all.
It's preventing them from getting skewered, but it's opening them up to quite a lot of harm if it's shown later that they did know specifics they're now claiming to be ignorant of.
| 663 |
Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 7:58:20am |
Well, Hinton just got a big finger pointed at him-- for payoffs to disgraced employees after they were fired.
| 664 |
Gus Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:00:23am |
Dear Reince Priebus:
America called. They want their old GOP back.
Thanks,
America
| 666 |
Lidane Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:02:08am |
And Herman Cain earned a smackdown from the Southern Baptists:
Richard Land rebukes Herman Cain
If you thought that Herman Cain went too far with his pronouncement that Americans should be able to block the construction of mosques in their communities, the head of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission agrees with you.
| 667 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:03:01am |
re: #665 lawhawk
Indeed. Forget about carmageddon. The real action was on the GSP on Saturday where traffic inched along at a slow crawl despite no accidents or major issues.
Years and years ago, I often had to drive from Boston to southern and/ or western Jersey
I would make it a point to time it so I would be on either the Parkway of the Turnpike sometime between 3-6 a.m.
Even that didn't stop me from experiencing the "slow crawl" at times
| 669 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:04:11am |
re: #659 garhighway
I haven't been watching the hearings. Has anyone asked the Murdochs how much money they have paid to settle the hacking suits (I gather that they have paid some serious coin), and how those sums are consistent with their ignorance of wrongdoing?
Sum: at least 1 million pounds in bribes. That's just one figure i've heard in the hearings, but i'm not sure if that's the grand total, or some subtotal.
So far, both Murdochs are claiming total ignorance of the bribes, and basically throwing everybody under them under the bus. Apparently, the Murdochs don't feel any responsibility for those decisions, and are victims of the poor decisions of those below them in the corporate structure. Or so they are saying.
Needless to say, this is blood in the water. If further serious charges are on the table for executives, there will be some serious cannibalization, I think. I don't think this will amount to much, however, unless people who know what the Murdochs knew face serious charges which involve serious prison time. The stigma associated with being a whistleblower is just too damaging to an executive's career for anyone to talk unless they are looking at a loss of freedom for an exteended period of time. I think this is what the Murdoch's are counting on right now. (Because, they are both clearly full of shit. I don't think i've ever seen a more transparent display of bullshit in my life.)
| 670 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:05:41am |
re: #665 lawhawk
re: #667 sattv4u2
Years and years ago, I often had to drive from Boston to southern and/ or western Jersey
I would make it a point to time it so I would be on either the Parkway of the Turnpike sometime between 3-6 a.m.
Even that didn't stop me from experiencing the "slow crawl" at times
BUT ,,, I could always seek refuge at the Richard Stockton service area!!!
| 671 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:07:27am |
LOL. They can't explain why NewsCorp was paying the legal fees of those facing civil charges due to the hackings.
| 672 |
McSpiff Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:08:06am |
re: #671 Fozzie Bear
LOL. They can't explain why NewsCorp was paying the legal fees of those facing civil charges due to the hackings.
The mean nasty lawyers made them! The Murdochs are the real victims here!
| 673 |
blueraven Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:08:08am |
re: #634 Gus 802
There are far greater important things going on in this world then this New Corp scandal side show.
Well, of course!
But I think this scandal is just one more kink in the armor.
The dysfunction/criminality of all the major institutions; Corporations, Government, and Media, converge in this one story at a time when we desperately need these institutions to act in the good of the people. Or at the very least, not to do harm to the masses for their own narrow benefit.
The relationship of the few uber powerful and wealthy and their ability to affect our lives personally, is frightening.
| 674 |
Gus Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:09:42am |
re: #673 blueraven
Well, of course!
But I think this scandal is just one more kink in the armor.
The dysfunction/criminality of all the major institutions; Corporations, Government, and Media, converge in this one story at a time when we desperately need these institutions to act in the good of the people. Or at the very least, not to do harm to the masses for their own narrow benefit.
The relationship of the few uber powerful and wealthy and their ability to affect our lives personally, is frightening.
Right. And after this, including all of the hearings in the UK and possibly the USA we'll all live happily ever after. That's the way these things always work. I look forward to it.
| 675 |
lawhawk Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:10:28am |
He's making quite a few definitive statements, and if any of which are contradicted by evidence discovered by law enforcement among emails or other means, he's going to be brought up on charges of perjury and/or obstruction of justice - and the question becomes on which side of the Pond that he faces those charges.
| 676 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:12:04am |
You can be sure that NewsCorp will be much more careful about using proxies (both in meatspace and online) in their future illicit dealings. They were very, very stupid of them to pay those bribes in such direct and traceable ways.
| 677 |
blueraven Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:12:11am |
re: #674 Gus 802
Right. And after this, including all of the hearings in the UK and possibly the USA we'll all live happily ever after. That's the way these things always work. I look forward to it.
No, I dont expect the unicorns and rainbows to appear. But you know what they say about sunlight being the best disinfectant.
| 678 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:12:49am |
re: #676 Fozzie Bear
PIMF. "IT WAS very, very stupid..."
| 679 |
Gus Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:16:02am |
re: #677 blueraven
No, I dont expect the unicorns and rainbows to appear. But you know what they say about sunlight being the best disinfectant.
Yep. Don't mind me. I have a serious case of angst this morning. Also, I'm not calling for people to stop talking about it. Just my own personal "reflection" of sorts.
| 680 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:16:20am |
re: #675 lawhawk
He's making quite a few definitive statements, and if any of which are contradicted by evidence discovered by law enforcement among emails or other means, he's going to be brought up on charges of perjury and/or obstruction of justice - and the question becomes on which side of the Pond that he faces those charges.
They certainly are painting themselves into some very specific corners in unambiguous terms. They much believe that they have covered their tracks extremely well. My guess would be very large bribes to the parties that know just how much the Murdoch's really knew at the time of the bribes, if I had to guess. Clandestine golden parachutes, if you will.
| 681 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:16:48am |
| 682 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:16:49am |
re: #674 Gus 802
Right. And after this, including all of the hearings in the UK and possibly the USA we'll all live happily ever after. That's the way these things always work. I look forward to it.
I'm going to have to expand the barn if I'm getting another unicorn!
| 683 |
Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:17:16am |
re: #675 lawhawk
Heh. Now they're throwing their old lawyers to the wolves, in the matter of the emails that disproved the 'lone reporter' excuse.
| 684 |
Gus Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:17:52am |
re: #682 sattv4u2
I'm going to have to expand the barn if I'm getting another unicorn!
Where do we house the rainbow? /
| 685 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:18:03am |
James is increasingly stuttering and repeating himself.
| 686 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:19:56am |
re: #680 Fozzie Bear
They certainly are painting themselves into some very specific corners in unambiguous terms. They much believe that they have covered their tracks extremely well. My guess would be very large bribes to the parties that know just how much the Murdoch's really knew at the time of the bribes, if I had to guess. Clandestine golden parachutes, if you will.
From the "live text" feed on the BBC website:
BBC's Robert Peston Rupert Murdoch does not deny that Les HInton will receive many millions of dollars in compensation following resignation
Imagine my surprise. /
| 687 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:19:58am |
This is making the rounds this morning....
Stress-related condition ‘incapacitates’ Bachmann; heavy pill use alleged
Maybe, but I doubt this is a big bombshell.
| 688 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:21:34am |
re: #683 Obdicut
Heh. Now they're throwing their old lawyers to the wolves, in the matter of the emails that disproved the 'lone reporter' excuse.
Well, if their legal system is anything like ours, it's always safe to toss lawyers under the bus, because the lawyers can't respond in kind.
| 689 |
Gus Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:22:34am |
re: #687 Killgore Trout
This is making the rounds this morning...
Stress-related condition ‘incapacitates’ Bachmann; heavy pill use alleged
Maybe, but I doubt this is a big bombshell.
I'd be careful with that one.
Migraine (from the Greek words hemi, meaning half, and kranion, meaning skull is a chronic neurological disorder characterized by moderate to severe headaches, and nausea. It is about three times more common in women than in men.
| 690 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:24:20am |
re: #689 Gus 802
Yeah, A lot of people suffer from migraines and they can be pretty severe. I don;t think it should exclude them from leadership positions.
| 691 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:24:30am |
James Murdoch was very careful to NOT throw the NewsCorp IT department under the bus. This is where the police should be pushing. There's something hidden there.
| 692 |
Interesting Times Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:25:35am |
re: #691 Fozzie Bear
James Murdoch was very careful to NOT throw the NewsCorp IT department under the bus. This is where the police should be pushing. There's something hidden there.
I would guess whatever it was is long deleted by now. Unless lulzsec managed to get their virtual hands on it...
| 693 |
ProBosniaLiberal Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:25:47am |
re: #691 Fozzie Bear
If Anonymous got any info from the incident yesterday, let's hope it pertains to this department.
| 694 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:27:02am |
re: #692 publicityStunted
I would guess whatever it was is long deleted by now. Unless lulzsec managed to get their virtual hands on it...
re: #693 ProLifeLiberal
If Anonymous got any info from the incident yesterday, let's hope it pertains to this department.
I'm sure their email servers are isolated from their web servers. I highly doubt they gained access to the email servers via the website.
| 695 |
Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:27:40am |
re: #690 Killgore Trout
Yeah, A lot of people suffer from migraines and they can be pretty severe. I don;t think it should exclude them from leadership positions.
Or even anxiety disorders or outright depressions, etc. Many great leaders have been, er, mentally unusual.
| 696 |
Gus Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:27:45am |
re: #690 Killgore Trout
Yeah, A lot of people suffer from migraines and they can be pretty severe. I don;t think it should exclude them from leadership positions.
Yep. We should only focus on the cognitive. /
| 697 |
Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:30:28am |
re: #691 Fozzie Bear
James Murdoch was very careful to NOT throw the NewsCorp IT department under the bus. This is where the police should be pushing. There's something hidden there.
Ooop. He just did.
| 698 |
Gus Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:31:59am |
I better get to work on something. The never ending small project. Groan. BBL
| 699 |
McSpiff Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:32:31am |
re: #693 ProLifeLiberal
If Anonymous got any info from the incident yesterday, let's hope it pertains to this department.
Absolutely not. A thousand times not. If they touched anything anywhere near the family jewels the whole well is poisoned. Any lawyer worth his salt would get them tossed out as impossible to verify following the hacking.
| 700 |
BongCrodny Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:45:58am |
Ouch.
Talking Points Memo: Romney trails Bachmann Nationally for GOP Primaries
Swell. A plurality of Republican primary voters would be quite happy to elect The Great Gazoo.
| 701 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:48:23am |
re: #700 BongCrodny
Ouch.
Talking Points Memo: Romney trails Bachmann Nationally for GOP Primaries
Swell. A plurality of Republican primary voters would be quite happy to elect The Great Gazoo.
Of course they would. They elected the last batch of GOP freshman. There should be no doubt that the majority of the GOP is way the fuck out on the furthest fringe of the right wing right now. It wasn't always so, but that's how it is now.
| 702 |
efuseakay Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:53:40am |
Well, those 99 cent burrito supremes at Taco Bell are only until August 6th.
| 703 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:54:14am |
re: #702 efuseakay
Well, those 99 cent burrito supremes at Taco Bell are only until August 6th.
Get your liquefied beef product now while it's fresh!
| 706 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:56:01am |
There was some kind of disturbance in the hearings. There was a bunch of yelling, then the camera panned away to a blank section of wall, and the sound was cut. WTF happened?
| 707 |
Stanghazi Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:56:26am |
A young man has been taken out in handcuffs after trying to attack #Murdoch
| 708 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:56:40am |
Apparently Rupert Murdoch was attacked by someone in the gallery?
| 709 |
makeitstop Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:57:01am |
Guardian reports that a woman tried to attack Murdoch, and that his wife got a slap in on the attacker. MSNBC feed has gone dead.
| 710 |
Lidane Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:57:04am |
re: #700 BongCrodny
Swell. A plurality of Republican primary voters would be quite happy to elect The Great Gazoo.
No they wouldn't. The Great Gazoo was smarter than Fred and Barney. The GOP base doesn't need or want those kind of pointy headed intellectuals.
They'd be more likely to vote for Private Snafu just because he's in the military. =P
| 711 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:58:01am |
re: #709 makeitstop
Guardian reports that a woman tried to attack Murdoch, and that his wife got a slap in on the attacker. MSNBC feed has gone dead.
ugh.
| 712 |
makeitstop Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:58:26am |
Guardian amends - it was a 'young male in a checkered shirt.'
| 713 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:58:35am |
1656:Rupert Murdoch's wife Wendi stood up and appeared to strike somebody in defence of her husband.
1655:Rupert Murdoch appears to have been attacked by somebody in the public gallery.
| 714 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:58:38am |
Looks like a failed attempt at a pie throwing.
| 715 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:59:22am |
re: #714 Fozzie Bear
Looks like a failed attempt at a pie throwing.
Some kind of white foamy stuff on the attacker and on Rupert Murdoch. I'm guessing it is pie filling.
| 716 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:59:25am |
BBC live feed is back.
It was a pie attack
| 717 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Jul 19, 2011 8:59:29am |
re: #714 Fozzie Bear
Looks like a failed attempt at a pie throwing.
Subscriber didn't get his daily again.
| 719 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:01:29am |
What an ass. This d-bag with the pie just cut short a hearing that could have implicated a man he presumably doesn't like. If you are going to watch a public hearing, sit the fuck down, shut the fuck up, and let the hearing happen.
What a loser.
| 720 |
Stanghazi Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:02:24am |
MSNBC: Murdoch wife former volleyballer "and that looks like a spike."
| 721 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:02:41am |
re: #719 Fozzie Bear
What an ass. This d-bag with the pie just cut short a hearing that could have implicated a man he presumably doesn't like. If you are going to watch a public hearing, sit the fuck down, shut the fuck up, and let the hearing happen.
What a loser.
Like, you just don't unnerstan anarchism, man.
| 722 |
makeitstop Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:02:58am |
re: #719 Fozzie Bear
What an ass. This d-bag with the pie just cut short a hearing that could have implicated a man he presumably doesn't like. If you are going to watch a public hearing, sit the fuck down, shut the fuck up, and let the hearing happen.
What a loser.
They were nearly finished at that point, anyway.
But jeez - don't these people realize they're making the Bad Guy into a sympathetic figure?
| 723 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:03:39am |
re: #719 Fozzie Bear
What an ass. This d-bag with the pie just cut short a hearing that could have implicated a man he presumably doesn't like. If you are going to watch a public hearing, sit the fuck down, shut the fuck up, and let the hearing happen.
What a loser.
Also these idiots don't seem to understand what danger they are placing themselves in. It takes just a split second for a security guard to react and they could end up getting themselves killed.
| 724 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:04:08am |
Now the story is about the pie throwing. Fucking moron. Way to help out the Murdochs, dumbass.
| 725 |
laZardo Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:04:30am |
re: #722 makeitstop
They were nearly finished at that point, anyway.
But jeez - don't these people realize they're making the Bad Guy into a sympathetic figure?
Like Jeremy Clarkson?
/I heart Top Gear. :D
| 726 |
Stanghazi Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:06:31am |
From Andrew Sullivan: The dude appears to be a member of the group UK Uncut - not a group dedicated to protecting foreskin, alas, but a decentralized bunch of activists opposed to tax evasion.
| 727 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:06:49am |
re: #723 Killgore Trout
Also these idiots don't seem to understand what danger they are placing themselves in. It takes just a split second for a security guard to react and they could end up getting themselves killed.
I'd have had little sympathy if the man had been shot, frankly. You just don't do that.
How the fuck do you sneak a pie into that room, anyway?
| 728 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:06:59am |
How does someone carry a pie into a hearing. Big Brother is Overlooking a Lot.
| 730 |
BishopX Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:07:43am |
re: #723 Killgore Trout
Also these idiots don't seem to understand what danger they are placing themselves in. It takes just a split second for a security guard to react and they could end up getting themselves killed.
Any security guard worth the coffee they consume wouldn't fire into a public gallery without hearing shots fired....even then the chance is remote. There is simply too great a chance of hitting bystanders. Being n the middle of a crowd is the safest place to be when it comes to police shootings.
| 731 |
allegro Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:08:12am |
re: #727 Fozzie Bear
I'd have had little sympathy if the man had been shot, frankly. You just don't do that.
How the fuck do you sneak a pie into that room, anyway?
I know it was a stupid thing that does nothing to help progress the matter in any kind of productive way but... the whole pie thing is cracking me up.
| 732 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:08:47am |
Murdoch's wife is a badass, whatever you may think of her personally. She slapped the guy before he even landed his payload on the target.
| 733 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:08:56am |
re: #731 allegro
I know it was a stupid thing that does nothing to help progress the matter in any kind of productive way but... the whole pie thing is cracking me up.
You were really into Soupy Sales, weren't you?
| 734 |
allegro Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:09:17am |
| 735 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:13:26am |
As a general rule, nobody in a plaid shirt should be allowed anywhere important. Clearly, they can't be trusted.
| 737 |
Lidane Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:14:29am |
re: #721 Decatur Deb
Like, you just don't unnerstan anarchism, man.
All we need now is an ironic hipster to tell us why the pie was symbolic.
Haha.
| 738 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:14:58am |
| 740 |
jaunte Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:15:21am |
paulwaugh tweets
Protestor said "You're a greedy billionaire" before hitting Murdoch really hard on the head. Looked like serious assault
11 minutes ago
| 741 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:15:39am |
re: #735 Fozzie Bear
As a general rule, nobody in a plaid shirt should be allowed anywhere important. Clearly, they can't be trusted.
especially if they are also wearing striped shorts, black socks halfway up to their knees and sandals!
| 742 |
laZardo Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:16:12am |
Is it okay to say that's the least of what Murdoch deserves?
| 743 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:17:12am |
re: #740 jaunte
paulwaugh tweets
Serious? Then the head of the Metropolitan Police should handle it personally.
| 744 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:18:18am |
re: #737 Lidane
All we need now is an ironic hipster to tell us why the pie was symbolic.
Haha.
Hi face has been shamed by the foamy discontent of the masses. Or something.
Commence bukakki jokes now.
| 745 |
jaunte Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:18:41am |
re: #743 Decatur Deb
Waugh seems to be in the immediate vicinity:
[Link: twitter.com...]
| 746 |
allegro Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:19:34am |
re: #740 jaunte
paulwaugh tweets
Protestor said "You're a greedy billionaire" before hitting Murdoch really hard on the head. Looked like serious assault.
Unless the guy was using a weapon (is a pie a weapon?) there is little damage a hand can do to a skull. All it does is hurt the hand. Maybe it's my Soupy Sales sense if humor but I can't see anything here that equates to a "serious assault."
| 747 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:20:22am |
re: #745 jaunte
Waugh seems to be in the immediate vicinity:
[Link: twitter.com...]
Collateral dry-cleaning.
| 748 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:20:51am |
re: #746 allegro
Unless the guy was using a weapon (is a pie a weapon?) there is little damage a hand can do to a skull. All it does is hurt the hand. Maybe it's my Soupy Sales sense if humor but I can't see anything here that equates to a "serious assault."
Nothing says "this is deadly serious" like shaving cream in the face. /
[Link: twitter.com...]
paulwaugh Paul Waugh
Dr.Evan Harris, ex MP who was with HackedOff team, was drafted in to offer Murdoch medical help."There's a doctor here!"
lol
| 749 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:22:43am |
re: #746 allegro
Unless the guy was using a weapon (is a pie a weapon?) there is little damage a hand can do to a skull. All it does is hurt the hand. Maybe it's my Soupy Sales sense if humor but I can't see anything here that equates to a "serious assault."
You're kidding, right?
The guy (Murdoch) is what,, 110 years old!?!? (that part is sarcasm, ,but the rest of this isn't)
At his age do you have any idea how brittle bones are? AND,,, no matter what age, a hand CAN damage a skull
| 750 |
makeitstop Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:23:04am |
Interesting question from the resumed hearing:
Q: Jude Law is alleging that his phone was hacked on American soil. Are you confident that no employee of yours hacked the phones of relatives of 9/11 victims?
RM says: "We have no evidence of that at all."
Hm.
| 751 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:23:56am |
re: #749 sattv4u2
You're kidding, right?
The guy (Murdoch) is what,, 110 years old!?!? (that part is sarcasm, ,but the rest of this isn't)
At his age do you have any idea how brittle bones are? AND,,, no matter what age, a hand CAN damage a skull
If he's so old a pie could kill him, he's probably not fit to run a major company.
| 752 |
Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:23:58am |
re: #746 allegro
It's not serious assault. It's goddamn stupid assault that serves to make Murdoch's critics look juvenile and him look pitiable.
The strategy of the Murdochs was relatively obvious; beyond denying knowledge of everything, have Murdoch Sr. appear somewhat frail and out of it and have Murdoch the younger interject in his defense, just trying to help out his old dad. Pelting him with pies plays right into that strategy.
| 753 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:24:26am |
re: #749 sattv4u2
You're kidding, right?
The guy (Murdoch) is what,, 110 years old!?!? (that part is sarcasm, ,but the rest of this isn't)
At his age do you have any idea how brittle bones are? AND,,, no matter what age, a hand CAN damage a skull
Or the guy decides to throw a heart attack--pretty dumb stunt in general.
| 754 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:24:42am |
re: #752 Obdicut
It's not serious assault. It's goddamn stupid assault that serves to make Murdoch's critics look juvenile and him look pitiable.
The strategy of the Murdochs was relatively obvious; beyond denying knowledge of everything, have Murdoch Sr. appear somewhat frail and out of it and have Murdoch the younger interject in his defense, just trying to help out his old dad. Pelting him with pies plays right into that strategy.
This. Exactly this.
| 755 |
Semper Fi Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:26:23am |
re: #714 Fozzie Bear
Looks like a failed attempt at a pie throwing.
They allow people to bring in pies?
| 756 |
rwdflynavy Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:26:25am |
re: #754 Fozzie Bear
This. Exactly this.
Maybe Murdoch hired his own pie assailant.....
Brilliant!!
Take live tunafish and feed 'em mayonnaise. Call Starkist!
//
| 757 |
Stanghazi Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:26:36am |
paulwaugh Paul Waugh
I got off lightly, just suit and ear caught in crossfire. One copper had his face totally covered in foam.#ACloseShave
| 758 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:26:39am |
re: #751 Fozzie Bear
If he's so old a pie could kill him, he's probably not fit to run a major company.
Where did I say "kill"?
An assault is an assault, no matter what the "weapon", no matter what the intent
Lets say a Tea Partier were to do the same to President Obama. Your reaction?
| 759 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:27:12am |
re: #758 sattv4u2
Where did I say "kill"?
An assault is an assault, no matter what the "weapon", no matter what the intent
Lets say a Tea Partier were to do the same to President Obama. Your reaction?
The same. The guy's an idiot who hurt his own cause.
| 760 |
Flounder Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:27:47am |
I picked the wrong week to quit eating sweets...
| 761 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:28:32am |
re: #756 rwdflynavy
Maybe Murdoch hired his own pie assailant...
Brilliant!!
Take live tunafish and feed 'em mayonnaise. Call Starkist!
//
A False Fling operation!!1!
| 763 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:29:11am |
re: #756 rwdflynavy
Maybe Murdoch hired his own pie assailant...
Brilliant!!
Take live tunafish and feed 'em mayonnaise. Call Starkist!
//
Don't laugh
One of the KosKids already said it's an "inside job"
| 764 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:29:42am |
re: #763 sattv4u2
Don't laugh
One of the KosKids already said it's an "inside job"
The pie had LAYERS!!
| 766 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:30:24am |
| 767 |
jaunte Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:30:48am |
Look forward to a WSJ editorial sneering at the "jealous, pie-flinging mob".
| 769 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:31:44am |
Somebody needs to make a heat map of the pie to get to the bottom of piegate.
| 771 |
blueraven Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:32:22am |
re: #762 Killgore Trout
"I'm sorry I got caught"
Yet according to the Q&A he hasn't directed his other papers to conduct a thorough investigation to see if this is common practice and will not happen again. Really?
| 772 |
rwdflynavy Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:32:25am |
re: #764 Decatur Deb
The pie had LAYERS!!
Shrek: [peels an onion] NO! Layers. Onions have layers. Ogres have layers. Onions have layers. You get it? We both have layers.
[walks off]
Donkey: Oh, you both have LAYERS. Oh. You know, not everybody like onions. What about cake? Everybody loves cake!
Shrek: I don't care what everyone else likes! Ogres are not like cakes.
Donkey: You know what ELSE everybody likes? Parfaits! Have you ever met a person, you say, "Let's get some parfait," they say, "Hell no, I don't like no parfait"? Parfaits are delicious!
Shrek: NO! You dense, irritating, miniature beast of burden! Ogres are like onions! End of story! Bye-bye! See ya later.
Donkey: Parfait's gotta be the most delicious thing on the whole damn planet!
| 773 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:32:47am |
| 774 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:33:10am |
ANOTHER UPDATE: Reader Bryan Ferris emails: “I wonder if Obama, MediaMatters, Jon Stewart, indeed the rest of the media at large, will accept personal responsibility for creating a ‘culture of hate’ that led to this attack the way they demanded Palin do after the Giffords incident.”Well, it’s hardly in Giffords territory, but the security lapse is shocking — a pie is much harder to smuggle than a gun or a knife. It makes me wonder if the assailant got the kind of wave-in that Code Pink protesters get on Capitol Hill.
Posted at 12:14 pm by Glenn Reynolds
| 775 |
wrenchwench Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:33:17am |
Pie incident footage, from TPM:
| 776 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:34:32am |
re: #774 Killgore Trout
Oh for fuck's sake. He can't be serious.
| 777 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:34:41am |
re: #771 blueraven
Yet according to the Q&A he hasn't directed his other papers to conduct a thorough investigation to see if this is common practice and will not happen again. Really?
Even after his own investigation he still doesn't know who approved the payments. I suspect the other witnesses will be able to give that information.
| 779 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:35:11am |
Wendi Deng has a very good right hand!!
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
| 780 |
wrenchwench Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:36:09am |
re: #779 sattv4u2
Wendi Deng has a very good right hand!!
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
You can hear the smack in that one.
| 781 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:36:13am |
re: #779 sattv4u2
Wendi Deng has a very good right hand!!
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
Palm to the nose. Nice shot.
| 782 |
allegro Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:36:17am |
re: #774 Killgore Trout
Oh good grief. He's really comparing some foam dumped on a guy (it doesn't appear that he was otherwise touched or struck) to a woman being shot in the head?
| 783 |
Lidane Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:36:17am |
re: #776 Fozzie Bear
Oh for fuck's sake. He can't be serious.
It's Instadouche. Of course he's serious.
| 784 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:37:44am |
re: #779 sattv4u2
Wendi Deng has a very good right hand!!
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
The slow-mo replay (with distorted sound and all) is priceless.
| 785 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:38:28am |
re: #782 allegro
Oh good grief. He's really comparing some foam dumped on a guy (it doesn't appear that he was otherwise touched or struck) to a woman being shot in the head?
I have to keep reminding myself that he's not stupid. He is a law professor which does require a certain amount of intelligence. His hyperpartisanship and ODS just makes him appear to be an idiot.
| 787 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:39:47am |
re: #785 Killgore Trout
I have to keep reminding myself that he's not stupid. He is a law professor which does require a certain amount of intelligence. His hyperpartisanship and ODS just makes him appear to be an idiot.
I've known some fantastically stupid lawyers. Getting a law degree takes a shitload of very hard work, but it doesn't require that much raw intelligence.
| 788 |
blueraven Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:40:47am |
re: #785 Killgore Trout
I have to keep reminding myself that he's not stupid. He is a law professor which does require a certain amount of intelligence. His hyperpartisanship and ODS just makes him appear to be an idiot.
Seriously, what does Obama have to do with this? I haven't heard him say anything regarding this scandal. Maybe I missed something.
| 789 |
William of Orange Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:40:50am |
NEWS Corp is front page again!
How about this behaviour??
Police probe laptop binned near Brooks flat.
If this is a case of perverting the cause of justice, Brooks is in deep, deep , way deeper shit than she thinks.
| 790 |
Gus Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:41:39am |
re: #774 Killgore Trout
What in hell. What's that about? Someone took a pie to the face?
| 791 |
garhighway Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:42:27am |
Meanwhile, back to Bachmann:
[Link: www.borowitzreport.com...]
Sample:
In Major Gaffe, Bachmann Confuses Ass, Hole in Ground
Misspeaks about Grand Canyon
ARIZONA (The Borowitz Report) – In a fledgling campaign that has already produced more than its share of gaffes, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn) today confused her ass with a hole in the ground during a campaign swing through Arizona.
Speaking to a group of supporters in Phoenix, Rep. Bachmann raised eyebrows when she said, “It’s great to be here in Arizona, the home of my ass.”
| 792 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:42:37am |
re: #789 William of Orange
NEWS Corp is front page again!
How about this behaviour??
Police probe laptop binned near Brooks flat.If this is a case of perverting the cause of justice, Brooks is in deep, deep , way deeper shit than she thinks.
I think her testimony is going to more interesting than the Murdoch's. I think she just might spill the beans.
| 793 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:42:38am |
re: #782 allegro
Oh good grief. He's really comparing some foam dumped on a guy (it doesn't appear that he was otherwise touched or struck) to a woman being shot in the head?
He is guilty of assault and battery, at the least
[Link: legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com...]
Assault is an act that creates an apprehension in another of an imminent, harmful, or offensive contact. The act consists of a threat of harm accompanied by an apparent, present ability to carry out the threat. Battery is a harmful or offensive touching of another.
He did both
| 794 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:43:22am |
re: #790 Gus 802
What in hell. What's that about? Someone took a pie to the face?
Some plaid-wearing moron attempted to smush a pie into Rupert Murdoch's face, but his wife preemptively bitch-slapped the guy. I suspect she must have pimp training, because that slap was legendary.
| 795 |
jaunte Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:43:30am |
re: #788 blueraven
Seriously, what does Obama have to do with this? I haven't heard him say anything regarding this scandal. Maybe I missed something.
Maybe Reynolds agrees with his reader that Obama has helped create a 'climate of hate' against CEOs that allow their employees to commit crime as long as it's profitable and undiscovered.
| 796 |
Gus Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:45:03am |
re: #794 Fozzie Bear
Some plaid-wearing moron attempted to smush a pie into Rupert Murdoch's face, but his wife preemptively bitch-slapped the guy. I suspect she must have pimp training, because that slap was legendary.
Funny. I needed the laugh this morning.
Clearly another sign of this dangerous world we live in today. //
| 797 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:46:51am |
re: #793 sattv4u2
He is guilty of assault and battery, at the least
[Link: legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com...]
Assault is an act that creates an apprehension in another of an imminent, harmful, or offensive contact. The act consists of a threat of harm accompanied by an apparent, present ability to carry out the threat. Battery is a harmful or offensive touching of another.He did both
Assault is the least of this guy's concerns. He's now in contempt of parliament.
| 798 |
blueraven Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:47:00am |
re: #792 Killgore Trout
I think her testimony is going to more interesting than the Murdoch's. I think she just might spill the beans.
And she has more interesting hair!
| 799 |
wrenchwench Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:47:04am |
re: #795 jaunte
Maybe Reynolds agrees with his reader that Obama has helped create a 'climate of hate' against CEOs that allow their employees to commit crime as long as it's profitable and undiscovered.
In the UK, no less.
| 800 |
zora Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:47:35am |
re: #791 garhighway
“Michele Bachmann is a staunch believer in the theory of Intelligent Design,” he said. “However, Intelligent Design cannot explain Michele Bachmann.”
But Dr. Logsdon added that Rep. Bachmann remains an attractive candidate, especially for those Republican voters who find former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin “too cerebral.”
ha!
| 803 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:49:28am |
re: #797 Fozzie Bear
Assault is the least of this guy's concerns. He's now in contempt of parliament.
Didn't think of that
Thanks
| 804 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:49:33am |
| 805 |
Kragar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:49:38am |
The FBI searched homes of alleged Anonymous members in New York and California this morning, CBS News has learned.A law enforcement source confirmed for CBS News that FBI agents with search warrants conducted raids at four New York residences this morning in connection with an ongoing investigation into the hacking group.
No arrests were made, the source said, but agents seized computers and computer accessories under search warrants at four homes of suspected hackers in Brooklyn, in the Bronx, and in the Long Island cities of Baldwin and Merrick.
| 806 |
recusancy Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:49:51am |
Who was the woman doing the questioning at the end of the Murdochs' testimony? She was good. I look forward to her questioning of Brooks.
| 807 |
laZardo Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:50:15am |
| 808 |
Gus Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:50:25am |
Carl Levin to Ann Coulter: the political history of a pie in the face
Michigan's Sen. Carl Levin got a pie in the face from a protester Monday. Pie-throwing has a political history dating to the 1960s and includes the pastry-based terrorism of 'Al Pieda.'
A protester hit Sen. Carl Levin (D) of Michigan with a pie on Monday in the upstate town of Big Rapids. The protester in question – Ahlam M. Mohsen, a resident of Coldwater – was arrested and was due in court Tuesday on assault and disorderly conduct charges.
The pie in question was apple, according to news reports. Senator Levin took the incident with good humor, saying he was sorry the filling was not blueberry, which is his favorite.
[...]
But generally pie-throwing has been a form of political theater aimed at those some deem pompous. In its heyday it was a sort of anarchic gesture with leftist overtones. Thus from the 1970s through the early ‘90s, an ex-Yippie named Aron Kay, also known as “The Pieman,” hit such notables as McGeorge Bundy, G. Gordon Liddy, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, and William F. Buckley, Jr.
Mr. Kay matched pie fillings to targets. Thus New York Mayor Abe Beame got apple crumb. (Get it? The Big Apple? And Kay judged Mayor Beame a crumb.)
More recently, two men threw custard cream pies at conservative author and activist Ann Coulter during a 2004 speech at the University of Arizona. The pair – Zachary Wolff and Philip Edgar Smith – called themselves “Al Pieda.”
[...]
| 809 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:50:40am |
re: #789 William of Orange
NEWS Corp is front page again!
How about this behaviour??
Police probe laptop binned near Brooks flat.If this is a case of perverting the cause of justice, Brooks is in deep, deep , way deeper shit than she thinks.
The most interesting part of this is that Mr. Brooks attempted to reclaim possession of his laptop and papers from police. One wonders why he threw it out if he wants it so badly.
I would bet there's some damning stuff on that laptop.
| 810 |
laZardo Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:51:32am |
re: #805 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
HERE COMES THE PARTYVAN LOLOLOL
/that's probably what 80% of Anonymous are thinking right now.
| 811 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:51:34am |
re: #805 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I did a quick search earlier to see if our old pal Barrett Brown is still free. No news yet.
| 812 |
Gus Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:52:04am |
re: #807 laZardo
Clearly we must act preemptively and create a Department of Pastry Security. I suggest a starting budget of 30 billion dollars.
//
| 813 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:52:49am |
re: #808 Gus 802
Carl Levin to Ann Coulter: the political history of a pie in the face
Michigan's Sen. Carl Levin got a pie in the face from a protester Monday. Pie-throwing has a political history dating to the 1960s and includes the pastry-based terrorism of 'Al Pieda.'
Great
Now there'll be a 72 hour waiting period to purchase a Key Lime pie!!
| 814 |
rwdflynavy Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:52:59am |
re: #812 Gus 802
Clearly we must act preemptively and create a Department of Pastry Security. I suggest a starting budget of 30 billion dollars.
//
I hearby nominate FBV as Secretary of Pastry Security and head Pie taster.
//
| 815 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:53:05am |
| 816 |
Gus Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:53:14am |
re: #805 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
That's gotta burn.
"You mean hacking is illegal?"
Hey! Where's the illustrious Barrett Brown?
| 817 |
blueraven Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:53:54am |
re: #804 Decatur Deb
If the piessassin missed his target, his whole family might be rolled.
From the Dish: an eyewitness account
What you might not have seen is the full instinctive and furious reaction of Mr Murdoch’s wife, Wendi. Having sat through the evidence unsmiling, she moved faster than anyone else. First, she swung a slap at her husband’s attacker. She followed up by picking up the plate and trying to strike him with it. And then she moved back to her husband. Sitting on the table before him, she starting to clear the foam from his bald head, sometimes embracing him.
| 819 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:54:22am |
We must act now to stamp out al pieda. We cannot wait for a smoking gun, for the smoking gun may come in the form of a delicious projectile.
| 820 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:54:25am |
re: #809 Fozzie Bear
The most interesting part of this is that Mr. Brooks attempted to reclaim possession of his laptop and papers from police. One wonders why he threw it out if he wants it so badly.
I would bet there's some damning stuff on that laptop.
Bad day to lose control of your porn stash.
| 822 |
Kragar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:54:46am |
“The final chapter to the Harry Potter stories, like the books, contains some surprisingly overt Christian allegorical elements,” Baehr admits, “but the movie version slightly changes the final confrontation between the hero and the villain to make it even more like a spectacular magical showdown between two sorcerers."
Baehr, a theologian and Bible scholar, pointed out that the God of the Bible strongly condemns witchcraft and sorcery as evil and loathsome in Deuteronomy 18:10-13. In the New Testament, Jesus Christ affirms all of God’s law in Matthew 5:17 and other passages.
What’s more, Baehr adds, God commands people not to speak to or consult dead people, yet that is exactly what happens in the final Harry Potter movie. And yet another problem with the movie, Baehr says, is a line of dialogue suggesting that people who deserve it will be rewarded.
“This goes against Christian teaching. The Bible says that everyone has fallen short of the glory of God and that Jesus Christ died for our sins even though all people are undeserving, evil sinners,” Baehr says.
| 823 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:55:11am |
re: #818 Gus 802
"Sorry sir. But you can't bring that pie on this aircraft."
//
"Do you know who packed that pie in your luggage, and has that pie been on your possession the entire time"
| 824 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:55:32am |
re: #817 blueraven
From the Dish: an eyewitness account
The irony that this assessment was on "The Dish" is not lost. Hehe.
| 825 |
Gus Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:56:04am |
re: #819 Fozzie Bear
We must act now to stamp out al pieda. We cannot wait for a smoking gun, for the smoking gun may come in the form of a delicious projectile.
Soon the Imperial Japanese Army will drop pies on Seattle from lighter than air balloons and dirigibles.
//
| 826 |
laZardo Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:56:21am |
re: #812 Gus 802
Clearly we must act preemptively and create a Department of Pastry Security. I suggest a starting budget of 30 billion dollars.
//
I'll have experts tune the body scanners to detect concentrated dairy and batter.
| 828 |
rwdflynavy Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:56:59am |
re: #805 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
"Mom! You know I don't like onions in my tuna salad!!!"
Knock, Knock
"Mom, Can you get the door!?"
//
| 830 |
jaunte Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:58:48am |
re: #822 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
'Family advocate and Christian media scholar' Dr. Ted Baehr, desperately borrowing interest from popular culture.
| 831 |
William of Orange Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:59:30am |
9/11 families demand answers from FBI over 'hacking of their phones' by Murdoch journalists.
And other welcome news:
News Corp shares falling again
News Corp's widely traded Class A shares fell 69 cents, or 4.4 per cent, to $14.96 in early afternoon trading on Monday.The shares are down 15.5 per cent since the end of June, compared with just 1.7 percent for the S&P 500 index.
And check out this graph!
As Ralph Bellamy would say: " SELL, SELL, SELL!!!"
| 832 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:59:39am |
Rebekah Brooks is fucked. She's evading some extremely basic questions. Her bacon is thoroughly cooked.
| 833 |
Gus Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:59:54am |
re: #826 laZardo
I'll have experts tune the body scanners to detect concentrated dairy and batter.
Notice To All Bakers (NOTABS): Effectively immediately. The Department of Pastry Security is requiring all bakers to limit their sale of pies to individuals within the continental United State of America (USA) to a limit of two (2) pies. Bakers are required to contact the Department of Pastry Security if a customer requests more than two (2) pies.
| 834 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:00:24am |
I think this conclusively proves it. Gingers have no souls.
| 835 |
Gus Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:01:03am |
re: #834 Fozzie Bear
I think this conclusively proves it. Gingers have no souls.
Cartman was right.
//
| 837 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:02:09am |
re: #831 William of Orange
What are you talking about?
[Link: finance.yahoo.com...]
It's up today about 6%, and its sitting about right in the middle of it's 52 week high/low
| 839 |
Kragar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:04:17am |
| 840 |
makeitstop Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:04:47am |
re: #837 sattv4u2
What are you talking about?
[Link: finance.yahoo.com...]
It's up today about 6%, and its sitting about right in the middle of it's 52 week high/low
As much as Unca Rupe's testimony drove it up, Brooks' testimony is going to drive it back down.
Call today's gains a 'dead cat bounce.' The damage is by no means over.
| 841 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:05:12am |
| 842 |
William of Orange Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:05:51am |
re: #831 William of Orange
9/11 families demand answers from FBI over 'hacking of their phones' by Murdoch journalists.
And other welcome news:
And check out this graph!
As Ralph Bellamy would say: " SELL, SELL, SELL!!!"
Another intersting thing. One of the actors in that movie was the late Denholm Elliott. Seems everything is connected now. His daughter Jennifer hanged herself after she was accused of living on the street and being a prostitude by..... News of the world!!
| 843 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:06:12am |
re: #840 makeitstop
As much as Unca Rupe's testimony drove it up, Brooks' testimony is going to drive it back down.
Call today's gains a 'dead cat bounce.' The damage is by no means over.
I didn't say it wasn't
And the upswing of the stock started well before Rupert started testifying today
| 844 |
SpaceJesus Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:06:55am |
Brooks, nobody in that room believes a damn thing you are saying
| 845 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:07:09am |
And on that note
Shower and errands, but alas, no pie!
| 846 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:08:19am |
re: #844 SpaceJesus
Brooks, nobody in that room believes a damn thing you are saying
Yeah, I was hoping she was going to be more forthcoming.
| 847 |
makeitstop Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:09:00am |
re: #844 SpaceJesus
Brooks, nobody in that room believes a damn thing you are saying
Nope. She's sinking. She's gonna lash out big-time before this is over.
And notice that the cadre of people that were there when the Murdochs were testifying are gone now. Despite Rupe's kind words, she's on her own. I believe the term is 'hanging her out to dry.'
| 848 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:09:35am |
re: #846 Killgore Trout
Yeah, I was hoping she was going to be more forthcoming.
She must be weating that laptop right about now, because if it contains any kind of evidence, there's not much she can say under the circumstances if it could possibly be contradicted later.
| 850 |
Gus Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:10:47am |
So. Who's going to watch "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" when it hits the movie theaters?
| 851 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:11:31am |
Michelle Malkin....
As a proud Fox News contributor for the past 10 years, I have come to News Corp.’s defense countless times and will continue to do so when critics distort the facts and wage unfair attacks.This is not one of those times. There is no defense for this godawful fiasco.
| 852 |
Kragar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:12:06am |
re: #850 Gus 802
So. Who's going to watch "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" when it hits the movie theaters?
A distinct lack of hands being raised here on this end.
| 853 |
makeitstop Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:12:15am |
re: #851 Killgore Trout
Michelle Malkin...
When they've lost the Anchor Baby, they've lost the nation.
/
| 854 |
rwdflynavy Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:12:48am |
| 855 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:12:48am |
I'm up for watching monkeys get violent in a theatre. But then again, I greatly enjoy pointless action movies.
| 857 |
rwdflynavy Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:13:29am |
re: #855 Fozzie Bear
I'm up for watching monkeys get violent in a theatre. But then again, I greatly enjoy pointless action movies.
I grew up watching the original movies over and over. Gotta check it out.
| 858 |
Kragar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:14:07am |
| 859 |
wrenchwench Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:14:18am |
re: #806 recusancy
Who was the woman doing the questioning at the end of the Murdochs' testimony? She was good. I look forward to her questioning of Brooks.
Is this her?
MOJO Magazine
@MOJOmagazine MOJO Magazine
Louise Mensch, currently cross-examining the Murdochs, is married to Peter Mensch - manager of Metallica and Red Hot Chilli Peppers!
| 860 |
Gus Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:15:08am |
It's a trap! :) "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" is Fox Movies production. The also own 50 percent of National Geographic cable programming. "X-Men: First Class" is another Fox Movies production.
| 861 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:15:18am |
| 862 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:15:29am |
re: #854 rwdflynavy
Ruh Ro Raggy!!
The rest of the GOP is going to have to do the same thing eventually. Especially those candidates on the Fox payroll are going to have to answer questions about this. It's going to go on for years.
| 863 |
William of Orange Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:16:10am |
re: #842 William of Orange
Another interesting thing. One of the actors in that movie was the late Denholm Elliott. Seems everything is connected now. His daughter Jennifer hanged herself after she was accused of living on the street and being a prostitute by... News of the world!!
More on that scumback Paul McMullan who wrote a series of articles about Jennifer Elliot. He was one of the first ones to admit the use of police bribery to obtain information. Here's a BBC interview with this lowlife.
As one of the people who replied on this video:
How was Denholm Elliot's daughter's private life in public interest? :/
Wanker
Paulk McMullen also revealed the hacking tactics to actor Hugh Grant.
That Paul McMullen.
| 864 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:17:02am |
re: #860 Gus 802
It's a trap! :) "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" is Fox Movies production. The also own 50 percent of National Geographic cable programming. "X-Men: First Class" is another Fox Movies production.
It's not feasible to avoid Fox productions in entertainment media unless you just avoid going to the movies. I'd love to see their various propaganda arms fall apart, but their entertainment stuff isn't significantly crappier than the rest of Hollywood. By this I mean, it's mostly shit, but that's par for the course.
| 865 |
Kragar Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:19:53am |
Bryan Fischer loves him some Herman Cain
For some time now, I have been virtually the lone voice in America urging local planning and zoning boards and city councils to refuse to authorize the building of mosques in their communities. After all, a building "permit" implies "permission," does it not? If permission can be granted, it can be withheld. What part of "permit" do folks not understand?I at last am no longer alone. When asked on Sunday by Chris Wallace of "Fox News Sunday" if any community can ban a mosque if it chooses to do so, Herman Cain replied, "They have a right to do that."
He pointed out that the reason for this is that there is no "separation of church and state" in Islam. "Islam combines church and state," said he.
| 866 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:21:08am |
re: #865 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
We have to establish a militant theocracy to prevent the establishment of a militant theocracy!
| 868 |
Lidane Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:21:35am |
re: #864 Fozzie Bear
It's not feasible to avoid Fox productions in entertainment media unless you just avoid going to the movies.
Or watching TV.
I might despise Fox News and their dumbing down of American voters with the fire of a thousand suns, but the FX Network has Justified, Sons of Anarchy, and Archer, which I love.
| 869 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:22:23am |
re: #850 Gus 802
So. Who's going to watch "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" when it hits the movie theaters?
It looks good, actually. Over the top, but good.
| 871 |
Gus Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:24:27am |
Ugh. It's going to be hot today. Another cloudless day with no end in sight. And I just woke up the flies. Grrr.
| 872 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:25:15am |
re: #869 SanFranciscoZionist
It looks good, actually. Over the top, but good.
The original series was a bit of a heavy handed commentary on racism. A bit cheesy by today's standards but at least it was an attempt at something interesting. The new version seems a hack and standard commentary on the dangers of science and technology. I think they could have done something more interesting.
| 874 |
laZardo Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:26:27am |
| 875 |
Lidane Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:26:27am |
re: #866 Fozzie Bear
We have to establish a militant theocracy to prevent the establishment of a militant theocracy!
Creeping Sharia! Judeo-Christian heritage!
| 876 |
recusancy Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:27:20am |
re: #868 Lidane
Or watching TV.
I might despise Fox News and their dumbing down of American voters with the fire of a thousand suns, but the FX Network has Justified, Sons of Anarchy, and Archer, which I love.
Never watched those but Always Sunny, Louie, and Wilfred are pretty bad ass.
| 877 |
lawhawk Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:29:09am |
re: #832 Fozzie Bear
Not exactly. She probably knows enough not to try and answer anything that can result in a perjury trap.
| 878 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:30:08am |
re: #877 lawhawk
Not exactly. She probably knows enough not to try and answer anything that can result in a perjury trap.
Is there an applicable British equiv. of the 5th?
| 879 |
Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:30:36am |
re: #872 Killgore Trout
The original series was a bit of a heavy handed commentary on racism. A bit cheesy by today's standards but at least it was an attempt at something interesting. The new version seems a hack and standard commentary on the dangers of science and technology. I think they could have done something more interesting.
I think it's an interesting idea to try to lay out the events prior to the earlier films that made the transition from a human-controlled planet to a primate-controlled one possible. However, it's kind of absurd to think apes could actually take over earth just by dint of being very smart. There just aren't enough apes on the planet to pull that off, regardless of how smart they are.
I'd be interested to see if this movie deals with that issue somehow, or if they just leap off into totally ridiculous plotlines.
| 881 |
wrenchwench Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:31:39am |
| 882 |
b_sharp Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:31:50am |
Hey all you members of Slitherin' house, what's new and exciting?
| 883 |
garhighway Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:31:54am |
OT: An interesting story about waking up in London with a health problem and having to deal with their national health service.
[Link: blogs.plos.org...]
sample:
I woke up in a rented room in London in the middle of the night, feeling like my eyes had been packed with hot sand and the lids were somehow glued together. When I pried them apart, the whites of my eyes were an angry crimson.
Maybe it was nothing. I’d been told that the pollen counts in the UK this summer are sky high. A raging heat wave in a city that doesn’t really do air-conditioning (like my gloriously fogbound town of San Francisco) didn’t seem to be helping. But when I squinted in the bathroom mirror, I saw a greenish-white discharge collecting around my tear ducts. This looked like more than a bad case of hay fever.
| 884 |
b_sharp Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:33:10am |
re: #883 garhighway
OT: An interesting story about waking up in London with a health problem and having to deal with their national health service.
[Link: blogs.plos.org...]
sample:
I woke up in a rented room in London in the middle of the night, feeling like my eyes had been packed with hot sand and the lids were somehow glued together. When I pried them apart, the whites of my eyes were an angry crimson.Maybe it was nothing. I’d been told that the pollen counts in the UK this summer are sky high. A raging heat wave in a city that doesn’t really do air-conditioning (like my gloriously fogbound town of San Francisco) didn’t seem to be helping. But when I squinted in the bathroom mirror, I saw a greenish-white discharge collecting around my tear ducts. This looked like more than a bad case of hay fever.
IMHO, those symptoms are the first signs of becoming a zombie.
| 885 |
makeitstop Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:33:44am |
I'm not buying any of this woman's testimony. She just found out about the Millie Dowler debacle two weeks ago?
Sure, lady. Right.
| 886 |
Vicious Babushka Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:37:33am |
Gah. Logging in at the ass-end of an overnight thread is TEH SUCK. Took 5 tries.
| 887 |
Gus Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:39:58am |
Uh oh. Got a song in my head.
I've got sixpence
Jolly. jolly sixpence
I've got sixpence to last me all my life
I've got twopence to spend
And twopence to lend
And twopence to send home to my wife-poor wife.CHORUS: No cares have I to grieve me
No pretty little girls to deceive me
I'm happy as a lark believe me
As we go rolling, rolling home
Rolling home (rolling home)
Rolling home (rolling home)
By the light of the silvery moo-oo-on
Happy is the day when we line up for our pay
As we go rolling, rolling home.I've got fourpence
Jolly, jolly fourpence
I've got fourpence to last me all my life
I've got twopence to spend
And twopence to lend
And no pence to send home to my wife-poor wife.I've got twopence
Jolly, jolly twopence
I've got twopence to last me all my life
I've got twopence to spend
And no pence to lend
And no pence to send home to my wife-poor wife.I've got no pence
Jolly. jolly no pence
I've got no pence to last me all my life
I've got no pence to spend
And no pence to lend
And no pence to send home to my wife-poor wife.
| 888 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:40:18am |
re: #883 garhighway
OT: An interesting story about waking up in London with a health problem and having to deal with their national health service.
[Link: blogs.plos.org...]
sample:
I woke up in a rented room in London in the middle of the night, feeling like my eyes had been packed with hot sand and the lids were somehow glued together. When I pried them apart, the whites of my eyes were an angry crimson.Maybe it was nothing. I’d been told that the pollen counts in the UK this summer are sky high. A raging heat wave in a city that doesn’t really do air-conditioning (like my gloriously fogbound town of San Francisco) didn’t seem to be helping. But when I squinted in the bathroom mirror, I saw a greenish-white discharge collecting around my tear ducts. This looked like more than a bad case of hay fever.
Daughter had a similar situation shepherding the idiot son of a dermatologist through Florence. He was told several times that Pinot Grigio is NOT supposed to be frizzante, but went ahead. She got his croaking butt to the local hospital--he spent a day under observation w/ an antibiotic drip, then she dragged him to the plane. Italian medical bill--$60. His dad still doesn't believe it.
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Lidane Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:41:30am |
re: #887 Gus 802
Uh oh. Got a song in my head.
See, this is why Turntable is a godsend. I can read these boards and not get your songs stuck in my head because I've already got music playing. Heh.
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Gus Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:43:36am |
re: #889 Lidane
See, this is why Turntable is a godsend. I can read these boards and not get your songs stuck in my head because I've already got music playing. Heh.
I love that song. Grew up listening to Mitch Miller when I was a kid.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:43:39am |
re: #883 garhighway
OT: An interesting story about waking up in London with a health problem and having to deal with their national health service.
[Link: blogs.plos.org...]
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I woke up in a rented room in London in the middle of the night, feeling like my eyes had been packed with hot sand and the lids were somehow glued together. When I pried them apart, the whites of my eyes were an angry crimson.Maybe it was nothing. I’d been told that the pollen counts in the UK this summer are sky high. A raging heat wave in a city that doesn’t really do air-conditioning (like my gloriously fogbound town of San Francisco) didn’t seem to be helping. But when I squinted in the bathroom mirror, I saw a greenish-white discharge collecting around my tear ducts. This looked like more than a bad case of hay fever.
My experience with NHS was extremely positive.
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Gus Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:44:30am |
re: #886 Alouette
Gah. Logging in at the ass-end of an overnight thread is TEH SUCK. Took 5 tries.
New thread! ---->
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:44:54am |
re: #891 SanFranciscoZionist
My experience with NHS was extremely positive.
I seriously don't know anyone with single-payer or NHS care that would prefer to have US care, who have experienced both. The only things people prefer in the US is some of the cutting-edge stuff, especially for cancer.
And they can be referred by the NHS, and have it still paid for by them.
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Gus Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:45:15am |
re: #891 SanFranciscoZionist
My experience with NHS was extremely positive.
My experience with American healthcare has been non-existent. Literally. God knows I tried.
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wrenchwench Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:45:24am |
re: #890 Gus 802
I love that song. Grew up listening to Mitch Miller when I was a kid.
I knew there had to be an explanation. For posting those lyrics.
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Gus Tue, Jul 19, 2011 10:46:13am |
re: #895 wrenchwench
I knew there had to be an explanation. For posting those lyrics.
Sing along!
//
I really should cut down on my up dings. ;)
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Gepetto Tue, Jul 19, 2011 11:08:17am |
re: #885 makeitstop
I'm not buying any of this woman's testimony. She just found out about the Millie Dowler debacle two weeks ago?
Sure, lady. Right.
I had the same reaction to Eric Holder's Gunwalker testimony. Its always interesting when lawyers and journalists utter something while testifying that they would have shredded were they sitting on the other side of the controversy.
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jvic Tue, Jul 19, 2011 9:26:52pm |
re: #394 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
You missed the point. You own comment was quite patronizing. I wouldn't want it said about me, though I know it is, because people will say things like that right to one's face. Just had a client pull that last week.
1. Because I ignored it doesn't mean I missed it.
2. It never crossed my mind to describe you like I praised Rice.
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