Poll: Bachmann and Romney, In That Order

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The latest survey from Public Policy Polling has Michele Bachmann and Mitt Romney running neck and neck: Bachmann continues to surge.

Michele Bachmann’s momentum continues to build and she’s taken first place by the smallest of margins on PPP’s newest national Presidential poll. 21% of Republican primary voters say she’s their top choice to 20% for Mitt Romney, 12% for Rick Perry, 11% for Herman Cain, 9% for Ron Paul, 7% for Newt Gingrich, 5% for Tim Pawlenty, and 3% for Jon Huntsman.

Bachmann’s rise has been fueled by her appeal to voters on the far right- and their skepticism about Romney. Romney has the lead with centrist Republicans (23-17) and with those defining themselves as only somewhat right of center (24-17). But among ‘very conservative’ voters only 48% have a positive opinion of Romney to 34% who view him negatively, weak numbers, and Bachmann’s capitalizing on that with a 26-15 lead over Romney, who’s in third place with that group of voters.

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114 comments

1 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:05:50pm
21% of Republican primary voters say she’s their top choice to 20% for Mitt Romney, 12% for Rick Perry, 11% for Herman Cain, 9% for Ron Paul, 7% for Newt Gingrich, 5% for Tim Pawlenty, and 3% for Jon Huntsman.

Don't forget Santorum!

2 Gus  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:06:09pm

This should be cause for a migraine for traditional Republicans.

//

3 Summer Seale  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:06:44pm

Sounds like the perfect pie chart to represent the Republican party these days.

4 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:07:33pm

Also, too, just as soon as half gov Palin is done jury service and her bus tour around the world, she will start thinking of getting in the race.

5 Summer Seale  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:08:29pm

65% batshit insane, and 20% for Romney who qualifies as a bit less pandering to the nutjobs...about half the time or so.

Again, perfectly representing the Republican Party.

6 Olsonist  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:09:56pm

Cain, Paul in that order.

7 windsagio  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:10:19pm

I always wish these polls would be in the first/second format. It gives you a better idea of whats gonna happen as it gets closer and people start dropping out.

8 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:10:33pm

This is an excellent statistical demonstration of why the GOP is broken as a political party. Their primary process cannot produce candidates who hold positions consistent with the views of the middle. This is a formula for self-destruction.

9 mr.fusion  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:11:07pm

I thought Sully put it perfectly:

The fact that a congresswoman with no legislative record, with a husband whose business is involved with "curing" gays, and who believes that US government default is no big deal is suddenly the front-runner for the GOP nomination tells you everything you could conceivably want to know about the sheer degeneracy and derangement of the current GOP

10 Gus  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:12:13pm

Possible spoilers?

Perry, Giuliani Score High on Positive Intensity With Republicans
Giuliani is widely recognized by Republicans; Perry less so at 55%
by Frank Newport

PRINCETON, NJ -- Texas Gov. Rick Perry and former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani would enter as credible players in the 2012 GOP presidential race, should they decide to run. Perry is recognized by 55% of Republicans and has a Positive Intensity Score of 21, while Giuliani is recognized by 86% and has a Positive Intensity Score of 20. Both Positive Intensity Scores are among the highest of any candidate or potential candidate Gallup measures.

Continues.

I'd be willing to bet that if and when Perry jumps into the ring he'll be the front runner for the GOP.

11 Petero1818  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:12:35pm

re: #4 Bulworth

Also, too, just as soon as half gov Palin is done jury service and her bus tour around the world, she will start thinking of getting in the race.

Well, that there is something that we need to keep in mind also there again with the lamestream media forgetting about that too.

12 Alexzander  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:14:19pm

re: #7 windsagio

I always wish these polls would be in the first/second format. It gives you a better idea of whats gonna happen as it gets closer and people start dropping out.

Absolutely.

13 Gus  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:14:33pm

Oh yeah. Palin.

14 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:14:52pm

re: #7 windsagio

I always wish these polls would be in the first/second format. It gives you a better idea of whats gonna happen as it gets closer and people start dropping out.

The more people drop out the worse Mitten's odds get.

15 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:15:19pm

She'll have to get through the election season without a Dean scream moment.

16 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:15:50pm

re: #4 Bulworth

Also, too, just as soon as half gov Palin is done jury service and her bus tour around the world, she will start thinking of getting in the race.

Is she still on jury duty? Did she get put on a trial?

17 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:16:26pm

re: #15 EmmmieG

She'll have to get through the election season without a Dean scream moment.

I have a feeling that a Dean scream wouldn't bother her supporters.

18 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:16:51pm

Rep Sander Levin looks like he needs a nap. Now.

[Link: cspan.org...]

19 Petero1818  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:17:09pm

re: #15 EmmmieG

She'll have to get through the election season without a Dean scream moment.

The moment Perry is in, she is finished. She won't be able to stand up to the scrutiny, and the wingnuts will have a more electable candidate to latch on to.

20 Gus  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:17:59pm

"I resigned quit being governor of Alaska because I couldn't handle the pressure of being a governor. That's why I want to be your president." -- Sarah Palin

Yep. That outta to it.

21 Alexzander  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:18:04pm

re: #18 Fozzie Bear

Rep Sander Levin looks like he needs a nap. Now.

[Link: cspan.org...]

Heh yeah I'm watching that too.

22 windsagio  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:18:21pm

re: #14 jamesfirecat

I'm curious how they'll react when he starts playing the electability card.

Its one of those weird things tho, all polling aside, the historical forces all say Mitt will win ('next in line', 'name recognition'), but I think it'd be better for the GOP in the long run if they let a crazy get the nomination.

One of the few ways they might be able to disarm the Tea Party is to have a tea party candidate run into a 72/84 scenario, and use the chance to take back control of the party.

23 Bulworth  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:18:46pm

re: #16 SanFranciscoZionist

Is she still on jury duty? Did she get put on a trial?

There's an air of mystery to Palin's supposed jury service. I would hate to find out she was just BSing about jury service when she was supposed to be out bus touring and history-educating all of us Americans who don't know our history by going to famous historical places and stuff.

24 prairiefire  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:20:11pm

Ha ha ha ha ha.

25 windsagio  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:21:03pm

did you guys see this great Bristol quote, btw? (HT to Doonesbury.com)

"She's got a good family, she's got a good husband, she's got God on her side, and I think people are envious of that. They're envious that she carries herself so well, that she's smart."
— Bristol Palin on her mother's critics

26 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:21:16pm

re: #20 Gus 802

"I resigned quit being governor of Alaska because I couldn't handle the pressure of being a governor. That's why I want to be your president." -- Sarah Palin

Yep. That outta to it.

I'm gonna go way out on a limb and say that being president of the US is several orders of magnitude more stressful than being the governor of Alaska. The pressure she would be under as president is unimaginably intense.

She would shatter like a mirror on concrete. There's no way she could handle it.

27 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:24:13pm

Vermont should be proud. Rep. Peter Welch speaks the truth.

28 jc717  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:24:44pm

I'm surprised that Ron Paul isn't doing better. It's gotta pain him to see Bachmann surge ahead, lol.

29 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:25:50pm

re: #28 jc717

I'm surprised that Ron Paul isn't doing better. It's gotta pain him to see Bachmann surge ahead, lol.

Poor Ron. She's having a party, on his lawn, and all he can do is wave his cane at her angrily.

30 Petero1818  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:26:50pm

re: #28 jc717

I'm surprised that Ron Paul isn't doing better. It's gotta pain him to see Bachmann surge ahead, lol.

In one of the greatest ironies, he is just not crazy enough.

31 BishopX  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:26:52pm

re: #27 Fozzie Bear

Vermont has good (national level) politicians. When I lived there I was very proud of them. Especially Bernie Sanders.

32 makeitstop  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:29:11pm

Mittens flips (or is this one a flop?) on climate change:

“I think we may have made a mistake, we have made a mistake is what I believe, in saying that the EPA should regulate carbon emissions. I don’t think that was the intent of the original legislation, and I don’t think carbon is a pollutant in the sense of harming our bodies.”

Dude has no spine. At all.

33 Alexzander  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:29:16pm

re: #28 jc717

I'm surprised that Ron Paul isn't doing better. It's gotta pain him to see Bachmann surge ahead, lol.

Ron Paul is persistently demonised on mainstream republican/conservative newsites, despite the fact that the party has moved close to his original positions.
It seems like every week there is a hit piece on Ron Paul at RedState to make sure everyone remembers he is the parties crazy old uncle.

Its impressive that despite that, he is polling nearly twice as high as Pawlenty.

34 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:30:59pm

If those dumb socon bigots ever vote for a female CIC, I will eat my raspberry beret. They can't even stand the thought of a woman pastor of a 17-member church.

35 Zathras  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:31:50pm

Wonder if Bachmann's thugs will make some news now: reporter shoved around for trying to ask Bachmann questions:


Ross dashed after Bachmann, repeatedly asking whether she had ever missed a House vote due to a migraine. She ignored him. Ross pursued her into a parking area behind the stage. Her aides grew alarmed. When Ross made a beeline for the white SUV waiting to carry Bachmann away, two Bachmann men pounced on him, grabbing and pushing him multiple times with what looked to me like unusual force. In fact, I have never seen a reporter treated so roughly at a campaign event, especially not a presidential one. Ross was finally able to break away and lob his question at Bachmann one more time, but she continued to ignore him.

Afterward, I asked Ross — a hard-nosed pro who nevertheless seemed slightly shaken — whether he had ever been treated so roughly. “A few times,” he told me. “Mostly by mafia people.”

36 BongCrodny  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:31:50pm

re: #10 Gus 802

Possible spoilers?

Perry, Giuliani Score High on Positive Intensity With Republicans
Giuliani is widely recognized by Republicans; Perry less so at 55%
by Frank Newport


I'd be willing to bet that if and when Perry jumps into the ring he'll be the front runner for the GOP.


I'm thinking Perry is going to be the second choice of a *lot* of the religious crowd. The Holy Bowl, if it gets any mainstream media coverage, is going to cement his reputation as "one of us" to the religious voters crowd.

37 makeitstop  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:33:14pm

Uh-oh. Bachmann reacts badly to questions about the migraines... and her security reacts even more badly.

(ABC's Brian) Ross dashed after Bachmann, repeatedly asking whether she had ever missed a House vote due to a migraine. She ignored him. Ross pursued her into a parking area behind the stage. Her aides grew alarmed. When Ross made a beeline for the white SUV waiting to carry Bachmann away, two Bachmann men pounced on him, grabbing and pushing him multiple times with what looked to me like unusual force. In fact, I have never seen a reporter treated so roughly at a campaign event, especially not a presidential one. Ross was finally able to break away and lob his question at Bachmann one more time, but she ignored him again.

Afterward, I asked Ross — a hard-nosed pro who nevertheless seemed slightly shaken — whether he’d ever been treated so roughly. “A few times,” he told me. “Mostly by mafia people.”

38 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:33:17pm

re: #32 makeitstop

That's about the most weasely statement I've seen in a long time.

39 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:34:38pm

Mitt would be an amazing used car salesman.

40 makeitstop  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:35:19pm

re: #38 Obdicut

That's about the most weasely statement I've seen in a long time.

And that's from the frontrunner.

But the also-rans, talking about the same subject, would spew Denialist gibberish, so that makes a weasel like Mittens look sane by comparison.

41 BongCrodny  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:35:32pm

re: #32 makeitstop

Mittens flips (or is this one a flop?) on climate change:

“I think we may have made a mistake, we have made a mistake is what I believe, in saying that the EPA should regulate carbon emissions. I don’t think that was the intent of the original legislation, and I don’t think carbon is a pollutant in the sense of harming our bodies.”


Maybe we could hook Mitt up to the back end of a tailpipe to test that theory.

42 darthstar  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:35:52pm

You really want to make wing-nut heads explode, Charles? Tell them you want back in.

43 Gus  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:36:51pm

re: #36 BongCrodny

I'm thinking Perry is going to be the second choice of a *lot* of the religious crowd. The Holy Bowl, if it gets any mainstream media coverage, is going to cement his reputation as "one of us" to the religious voters crowd.

Yeah, I think so. Perry is one to watch. He has all the markers. Bible thumper extraordinaire, Texas governor, gun zealot, and he might have even better hair than Romney. Romney still loses on the Mormon identity. Perry is perfect for them as a Protestant Methodist.

44 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:38:55pm

This just in, Bachmann tumescent, Romney becoming flaccid and spongy

45 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:39:32pm

re: #43 Gus 802

Perry is a very dangerous man. I think people underestimate him. He is incredibly slick. He knows how to speak to his base, is charasmatic, intelligent, and politically adept.

He's also batshit.

46 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:39:49pm

Michelle Bachmann rigid and engorged with GOP grassroots adoration

47 Gus  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:39:53pm

re: #38 Obdicut

That's about the most weasely statement I've seen in a long time.

I like this part:

"I don’t think carbon is a pollutant in the sense of harming our bodies."

That calls for a "huh what" moment. I mean no one has ever said anything about CO2 rising to the level that would be harmful to humans alone as a chemical compound.

48 Lidane  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:39:58pm

re: #42 darthstar

You really want to make wing-nut heads explode, Charles? Tell them you want back in.

Or endorse one of these batshit crazy candidates. That would be good for a few laughs.

49 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:40:29pm

re: #32 makeitstop

Mittens flips (or is this one a flop?) on climate change:

Dude has no spine. At all.

It's from the German

"With Romney"

50 Lidane  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:41:49pm

re: #45 Fozzie Bear

Perry is a very dangerous man. I think people underestimate him. He is incredibly slick. He knows how to speak to his base, is charasmatic, intelligent, and politically adept.

He's also batshit.

I'd like to believe that people don't want another Texas governor as POTUS, especially so soon after the last one.

I hope.

51 BongCrodny  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:42:09pm

re: #45 Fozzie Bear

Perry is a very dangerous man. I think people underestimate him. He is incredibly slick. He knows how to speak to his base, is charasmatic, intelligent, and politically adept.

He's also batshit.


Funny thing is that a recent poll of Texas voters suggested they didn't want Perry to run for the Presidency.

When the true believers get tired of you, you go out and find new true believers.

52 albusteve  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:42:14pm

re: #46 WindUpBird

Michelle Bachmann rigid and engorged with GOP grassroots adoration

LOL!

53 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:42:59pm

re: #37 makeitstop

I think we need fifty reporters doing the same thing

just everywhere she goes, acting like this headache story is the Watergate scandal

54 Lidane  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:43:43pm

re: #51 BongCrodny

Funny thing is that a recent poll of Texas voters suggested they didn't want Perry to run for the Presidency.

When the true believers get tired of you, you go out and find new true believers.

Hence Perry polling higher here in this poll than he does in Texas.

55 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:44:11pm

re: #53 WindUpBird

Harassing people over medical issues isn't a good precedent to set.

56 Gus  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:44:19pm

re: #50 Lidane

I'd like to believe that people don't want another Texas governor as POTUS, especially so soon after the last one.

I hope.

You probably don't want to hear my opinion on this but I was thinking about that last week. It can happen. America's are very unpredictable politically. Stranger things have happened. Don't forget we went through 8 year with Clinton and then overnight we went from Clinton's America to George Bush's America.

57 Gus  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:45:22pm

re: #56 Gus 802

Oops. America's = Americans.

58 Political Atheist  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:45:43pm

re: #46 WindUpBird

Michelle Bachmann rigid and engorged with GOP grassroots adoration

Bachmann is peaking way too early. Gonna fall early too.

59 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:45:47pm

re: #55 Obdicut

Harassing people over medical issues isn't a good precedent to set.

it's more that it's such a ludicrous non-story, it could be Michelle's choice of fast-food, or what campaign car she favors

60 Summer Seale  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:45:56pm

re: #28 jc717

I'm surprised that Ron Paul isn't doing better. It's gotta pain him to see Bachmann surge ahead, lol.

I hope it hurts real hard inside, like a diamond drill bit in the old man's stone heart.

61 Lidane  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:46:11pm

re: #56 Gus 802

You probably don't want to hear my opinion on this but I was thinking about that last week. It can happen. America's are very unpredictable politically. Stranger things have happened. Don't forget we went through 8 year with Clinton and then overnight we went from Clinton's America to George Bush's America.

Perry's been a disaster as governor. I can't believe people are too stupid to see that and that they'd consider him a viable POTUS. It galls me.

62 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:46:27pm

re: #58 Rightwingconspirator

Bachmann is peaking way too early. Gonna fall early too.

premature climax, it's a sad thing

63 dragonfire1981  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:46:39pm

Bachmanns sustained popularity should give pause to all of us.

We must accept the fact there is a growing chance this woman WILL be the GOP nominee.

I wonder what everyone sees in her?

64 Gus  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:46:48pm

re: #58 Rightwingconspirator

Bachmann is peaking way too early. Gonna fall early too.

Yep. Look at Huckabee and the Iowa primary. Everyone thought Huckabee "was the man". Couple of months later... poof!

65 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:47:55pm

re: #10 Gus 802

Possible spoilers?

Perry, Giuliani Score High on Positive Intensity With Republicans
Giuliani is widely recognized by Republicans; Perry less so at 55%
by Frank Newport

I'd be willing to bet that if and when Perry jumps into the ring he'll be the front runner for the GOP.

He won't get far if he continues his usual policy of never debating his opponents.

66 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:48:13pm

re: #61 Lidane

Perry's been a disaster as governor. I can't believe people are too stupid to see that and that they'd consider him a viable POTUS. It galls me.

He'll never win because he looks like a character from Dynasty, he's like oily evil perfect-grin whitey politician from central casting

67 makeitstop  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:49:34pm

re: #55 Obdicut

Harassing people over medical issues isn't a good precedent to set.

It started out as a valid question. Granted, the reported pushed the point, but I'm wondering why she (and her aides and security, according to the story) freaked out like she did.

She may have just turned a non-issue into an issue.

68 Achilles Tang  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:50:45pm

re: #61 Lidane

Perry's been a disaster as governor. I can't believe people are too stupid to see that and that they'd consider him a viable POTUS. It galls me.

To be honest, I don't know what his specific economic record is, in Texas.

I've seen negative and positive references and I just saw Fox News claiming he was the champion job creator in the USA by doing....something.

69 Lidane  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:51:21pm

re: #65 negativ

He won't get far if he continues his usual policy of never debating his opponents.

That hasn't stopped Caribou Barbie from remaining popular. And it was a GOP tactic in 2010. Why debate when you can just go on Fox News?

70 BongCrodny  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:51:37pm

re: #62 WindUpBird

premature climax, it's a sad thing


That would be premature eBachulation.

71 allegro  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:51:50pm

re: #68 Naso Tang

To be honest, I don't know what his specific economic record is, in Texas.

I've seen negative and positive references and I just saw Fox News claiming he was the champion job creator in the USA by doing...something.

By creating more minimum wage jobs than any other state.

72 prairiefire  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:52:08pm

re: #67 makeitstop

It started out as a valid question. Granted, the reported pushed the point, but I'm wondering why she (and her aides and security, according to the story) freaked out like she did.

She may have just turned a non-issue into an issue.

I like the "wives must submit to their husbands" = her husband is the POTUS angle, too. Cher has tweeted that her husband, Marcus, has tripped Cher's gaydar and that he is a closeted gay man.

73 Achilles Tang  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:53:42pm

re: #71 allegro

By creating more minimum wage jobs than any other state.

So I've heard, but is there any available analysis of the breakdown?

74 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:53:51pm

re: #68 Naso Tang

To be honest, I don't know what his specific economic record is, in Texas.

I've seen negative and positive references and I just saw Fox News claiming he was the champion job creator in the USA by doing...something.

Something.

75 prairiefire  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:53:55pm

re: #72 prairiefire

meaning Michelle's husband, Marcus.

76 Gus  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:54:42pm

re: #67 makeitstop

It started out as a valid question. Granted, the reported pushed the point, but I'm wondering why she (and her aides and security, according to the story) freaked out like she did.

She may have just turned a non-issue into an issue.

That always happens. Regardless of party affiliation. Suddenly the response or the story become the story. Most of the time if people don't want things to blow up in their face it's best to not say a word.

77 windsagio  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:56:04pm

re: #72 prairiefire

A lot of people have been saying htat lately, its kind of the go-to joke.

78 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:57:39pm

re: #61 Lidane

Perry's been a disaster as governor. I can't believe people are too stupid to see that and that they'd consider him a viable POTUS. It galls me.

Some of them think rewarding failure is an act of merit. See also: Shrub.

79 Lidane  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:57:51pm

re: #68 Naso Tang

To be honest, I don't know what his specific economic record is, in Texas.

He's more than doubled the deficit here since taking office by upping spending and lowering taxes. Then he turns around and makes draconian cuts in schools and other needed programs to make up for it because of the bullshit "balanced budget amendment" we have on the books.

The guy's fucking worthless as governor. And he's a religious nutjob to boot.

80 Achilles Tang  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:59:49pm

re: #74 wrenchwench

Something.

Thanks. I saw that recently and I am sure there is truth in it. I believe the same effect kept the Bahamas afloat during the 70's after independence when they discouraged legitimate foreign investment.

But the article says it is hard to be precise about the effect. I suspect it would not be too hard if one tried.

What does Perry claim other than the usual GOP platitudes about friendly business environment?

81 Lidane  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 1:59:52pm

re: #78 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Some of them think rewarding failure is an act of merit. See also: Shrub.

Shrub did a better job because he had a Democrat, Bob Bullock, as his Lt. Gov. Bullock ran the Senate and kept the state legislators in line. Since he died and Shrub left to go to Washington, Perry's run this state in to the ground.

82 makeitstop  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 2:00:13pm

re: #76 Gus 802

That always happens. Regardless of party affiliation. Suddenly the response or the story become the story. Most of the time if people don't want things to blow up in their face it's best to not say a word.

According to the article, she didn't answer the question - she ignored Brian Ross. That's why he kept after her.

It's conceivable that she may have missed a vote or two due to migraines. That's not a DQ for running for president - but now the only way to get out in front of what is decidedly a non-issue is to honestly answer the question, because you know the question will continue to be asked until she decides to give an answer.

She tried to downplay it, but she did it wrong. Now, it's an issue despite being a non-issue. If that makes any sense at all.

83 Achilles Tang  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 2:00:56pm

re: #79 Lidane

But is there a detailed analysis of what the created jobs are?

84 Gus  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 2:01:11pm

Texas just has a strong economy. Always did. One of the driving forces has always been the oil industry. Doesn't really have that much to do with who was governor. Democrat or Republican. Much like California which have seen many a political party run the state. Right now it's number two in gross state product or state GDP right behind California.

85 Achilles Tang  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 2:02:35pm

re: #84 Gus 802

Does Texas gain directly from the price of oil, or only indirectly from the oil industries employment?

86 allegro  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 2:02:44pm

re: #73 Naso Tang

So I've heard, but is there any available analysis of the breakdown?

Texas: The minimum-wage state

87 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 2:04:47pm

re: #86 allegro

Texas: The minimum-wage state

“The higher proportion of hourly paid workers who are earning at or below the minimum wage is reflective of our low high school and college completion rates,”


Looks as if the problem has it's roots some time back

Seems as if the "fault" lies in the ed system, not if there is a D or R in the Governors mansion

88 Gus  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 2:05:04pm

re: #85 Naso Tang

Does Texas gain directly from the price of oil, or only indirectly from the oil industries employment?

I don't know. Oil is just one component to the Texas oil economy. That would be a question of tax revenues I suppose. I'm sure they see a lot.

89 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 2:05:34pm

re: #81 Lidane

Shrub did a better job because he had a Democrat, Bob Bullock, as his Lt. Gov. Bullock ran the Senate and kept the state legislators in line. Since he died and Shrub left to go to Washington, Perry's run this state in to the ground.

The more incompetent they are the more they can be controlled. Big-money cons love this.

90 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 2:05:38pm

re: #84 Gus 802

Texas just has a strong economy. Always did. One of the driving forces has always been the oil industry. Doesn't really have that much to do with who was governor. Democrat or Republican. Much like California which have seen many a political party run the state. Right now it's number two in gross state product or state GDP right behind California.

Vermont is last

Guess there's not much profit in maple syrup!!

/

91 allegro  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 2:06:33pm

re: #87 sattv4u2

“The higher proportion of hourly paid workers who are earning at or below the minimum wage is reflective of our low high school and college completion rates,”

Looks as if the problem has it's roots some time back

Seems as if the "fault" lies in the ed system, not if there is a D or R in the Governors mansion

There hasn't been a democratic governor in Texas since 1995. (RIP Ann Richards, you wonderful broad!)

Wanna try again?

92 Lidane  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 2:07:24pm

re: #87 sattv4u2

Seems as if the "fault" lies in the ed system, not if there is a D or R in the Governors mansion

And it's going to get worse because of the ignorant, batshit insane R's on the Texas State Board of Edcuation, who want to make kids dumber.

93 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 2:07:55pm

re: #66 WindUpBird

He'll never win because he looks like a character from Dynasty, he's like oily evil perfect-grin whitey politician from central casting

"She get Married, to oily bohunk."

94 Lidane  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 2:08:35pm

re: #91 allegro

(RIP Ann Richards, you wonderful broad!)

Both her and Molly Ivins. God, I miss them both. They were my political role models.

95 Gus  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 2:08:58pm

re: #92 Lidane

And it's going to get worse because of the ignorant, batshit insane R's on the Texas State Board of Edcuation, who want to make kids dumber.

They've been there for ages. Texas is also home to the Johnson Space Center. Texas, in my estimation, is a state of many contrasts.

96 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 2:09:06pm

re: #91 allegro

There hasn't been a democratic governor in Texas since 1995. (RIP Ann Richards, you wonderful broad!)

Wanna try again?

Again read what was in your link

People who graduated in 1995 are now in their early 30's, you know,, work force age!! They were in school for 12 years PRIOR to that. Nothing needed to "try"

97 Political Atheist  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 2:09:49pm

re: #87 sattv4u2

AFAIC -Looks like the natural result of lower unemployment during a great recession & aftermath. A mere 8% as compared to my area with a far lower minimum wage rate but 12% unemployment.

98 Lidane  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 2:10:50pm

re: #95 Gus 802

They've been there for ages. Texas is also home to the Johnson Space Center. Texas, in my estimation, is a state of many contrasts.

The same Johnson Space Center the R's want to shut down because NASA is a drain of federal resources? Plus, they specialize in science, which is evil, don'tcha know.

Yeah. I don't have any faith in the Republican party in this state. They're a bunch of ignorant religious reactionaries, just like Rick Perry.

99 jvic  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 2:11:48pm

1. Perry is surging on Intrade. He has almost caught Romney. Everybody else is well behind.

2. re: #65 negativ

He won't get far if he continues his usual policy of never debating his opponents.

I didn't know this. Thanks for the heads-up.

If Perry refuses to debate, the ads, featuring his opponent at one lectern with the other empty, will write themselves.

3. re: #54 Lidane

Hence Perry polling higher here in this poll than he does in Texas.

I don't have time to dig out links, but there has been more than one poll indicating that Palin is unpopular in AK. Apparently she would have been creamed had she run against Murkowski.

100 albusteve  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 2:12:15pm

re: #95 Gus 802

They've been there for ages. Texas is also home to the Johnson Space Center. Texas, in my estimation, is a state of many contrasts.

I wonder what the music business is worth over there....plenty I'd bet, and the agribiz is huge too...Texas is gigantic, and so is their economy

101 palomino  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 2:14:19pm

re: #90 sattv4u2

Vermont is last

Guess there's not much profit in maple syrup!!

/

Vermont has the smallest population in the US and ranks last. CA and TX rank 1 and 2 in population and GDP, respectively. Think there might be a correlation?

102 Gus  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 2:15:22pm

This getting too weird. Later folks. Seriously. You might want to cut down on the coffee consumption.

103 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 2:16:26pm

re: #101 palomino

Vermont has the smallest population in the US and ranks last. CA and TX rank 1 and 2 in population and GDP, respectively. Think there might be a correlation?

Nahh,,, I still think it's the syrup!
//

((and btw ,,, Wyoming and DC both have the "same" population but are much higher in rank,, higher than other states with significantly more pop.)

104 palomino  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 2:30:21pm

re: #103 sattv4u2

Nahh,,, I still think it's the syrup!
//

((and btw ,,, Wyoming and DC both have the "same" population but are much higher in rank,, higher than other states with significantly more pop.)

Of course it's not a direct one on one correlation. But the economic political activity explains DC. I would imagine the huge advantage in territory explains WY's advantage. Regardless VT ain't WV or Mississippi, poor backwards states that ranks near the bottom in nearly every QOL indicator.

105 hugh59  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 2:39:34pm

Hope Bachmann is not the nominee. My only regret is that she is, as far as I know, the first candidate for president who has a master of laws degree (LL.M.) in taxation (even if it is from a program that was never top tier and is no longer in existence).

I think the country would benefit if we had a president with a good education in tax law.

This thread does not look "dead." I usually don't look at the time stamps on posted. I look at interesting threads and post a comment. Then someone accuses me of being an "end of thread troll."

106 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 3:22:31pm

re: #105 hugh59

You got called a troll for your trolling content when you shit-talked the site, idiot.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

107 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:06:49pm

That doesn't bode well for Romney. As Sullivan pointed out through someone else here, that he's neck and neck with Bachmann who has no legislative accomplishments whatsoever to speak of and only reputation is that she's a hardliner then that tells you all should know about the modern Republican Party's state. I wish I could feel sympathy for rational Republicans and I do on some levels but this is what happens when you pander to fanatics.

108 hugh59  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:36:18pm

re: #106 Obdicut

I check in here from time to time to see what the other side of the aisle is thinking. Sadly, there seems to be more attitude than information here.

109 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:39:47pm

re: #108 hugh59

There aren't two aisles.

That kind of thinking is your problem.

110 hugh59  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:43:54pm

re: #109 Obdicut

You are really stretching to find ways to put me down. I take the trouble to look at many different sources to try and get a better understanding of what is happening and what people are thinking. How often do you make the effort to really listen to someone who appears to disagree with you? You might find that you agree on more than you disagree.

111 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 4:48:59pm

re: #110 hugh59

On this site, there are people I disagree with fundamentally about issues of religion, government, and any number of other issues (including pizza). I have conversations with them every day. I always make the attempt to understand their arguments.

You, however, simply dropped in to shit-talk the site late at night, and then got all offended by people calling you a troll.

112 hugh59  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:10:47pm

re: #111 Obdicut

You have a very broad definition of "shit talking." And I am not "all offended" by being called a troll. Some people here are quick to use that term. I don't use it until a person has posted several very insulting or outrageous comments.

113 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:26:07pm

re: #112 hugh59

No, saying crap about the quality of writing here is definitely shit-talking. That's not broad.

I don't use it until a person has posted several very insulting or outrageous comments.

That's nice.

Try actually engaging in a conversation sometime-- you know, what you claim to actually want to do.

114 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Jul 19, 2011 5:51:45pm

re: #51 BongCrodny

Funny thing is that a recent poll of Texas voters suggested they didn't want Perry to run for the Presidency.

When the true believers get tired of you, you go out and find new true believers.

Perry has never been well liked, he's just a Republican in a state that is deep red. He's like Mitt Romney, nobody really likes him, but he will always get the votes of people who won't ever vote for a Democrat.


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