Allen West Refuses to Apologize for Ugly Email to Wasserman Schultz

West says his military background is the reason why he’s a sexist jerk
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Rep. Allen West sent a misogynistic, vitriolic letter to DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, calling her “vile, unprofessional, and despicable,” and concluding with this lovely sentiment:

“You have proven repeatedly that you are not a Lady, therefore, shall not be afforded due respect from me!”

Today, West went on the Fox Business Network (of course), and did what Republicans caught with their hate showing always do — he doubled down and refused to apologize. And then he went a step further, and blamed his reaction on his military service.

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1 shutdown  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:26:25am

Am I meant to be surprised? There is no possible political reward available to West for behaving like a human being, and every possible reward for being a douchebag.

2 shutdown  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:26:52am

And Charles: how did the OS upgrade go?

3 prairiefire  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:26:54am

Blamed it on his military service! Hideous!

4 dragonfire1981  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:27:53am

I didn't know folks in the military were trained to be douchebags and demean women.

Anyone else think types like West go for the "double down" because it's the "In" thing to do?

It just screams: "Look at me, I'm a proud conservative refusing to back down from the evil Librul media. Hur hur."

So stupid.

We have serious issues in this country and these are the kinds of things politicians must waste their time dealing with.

5 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:28:03am

re: #3 prairiefire

Blamed it on his military service! Hideous!

The military he was forced out of.

6 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:29:02am

Sigh. They can't even pretend to be balanced, intelligent human beings any more.

8 allegro  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:29:59am

Cobert's take...

9 allegro  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:30:12am

Colbert's too.

10 Ojoe  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:31:04am

The two party system, with its near perfect fit into "us-them," encourages this behavior.

11 shutdown  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:31:55am

What do you suppose a GOP stump speech, or declaration from some Party tool like West would sound like if all the buzzwords, talking points and "scare speech" was removed?

12 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:32:29am

re: #10 Ojoe

The two party system, with its near perfect fit into "us-them," encourages this behavior.

///Don't worry Ojoe I'm enough of a jackass to react with violent mindless revulsion to ideas from both the GOP and the Whig party!

13 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:32:34am

re: #2 imp_62

And Charles: how did the OS upgrade go?

Great! Mac OS 10.7 is a really nice upgrade -- had no problems with the installation at all.

14 celticdragon  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:32:42am

West disgraced his uniform and he is a disgrace to the Congress. He should be doing 10 years in Leavenworth for ordering the beating and mock execution of that Iraqi police officer. Of course, what would get a sergeant prison time gets a colonel a forced retirement and a great set of talking points on how he was too tough for the Army.

We have our democracy only as long as we can keep it. When we elect criminals, poltroons and idiots, we get what we deserve.

15 3CPO  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:32:51am

So now we afford respect only to ladies in the House?

16 Ojoe  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:33:49am

re: #12 jamesfirecat

Moderation just isn't sexy.

A problem in this world, oh well.

BBL

17 Spocomptonite  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:34:44am

Heh. This is the guy that I keep seeing ads for here on LGF to "Help him continue the fight!"

Dude was taken out of the "fight" for a reason. When he thinks he's right, he won't let anything get in his way. Regulations, Geneva Conventions, Evidence, human decency... all are expendable when West is feels self-righteous.

18 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:35:04am

re: #16 Ojoe

Moderation just isn't sexy.

A problem in this world, oh well.

BBL

I'm just saying that "US versus THEM" mental blinders can happen just as easily in a three or more party system as it does when you have only two parties.

19 celticdragon  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:36:06am

re: #15 3CPO

So now we afford respect only to ladies in the House?


I half expected him to say something about how the Congresswoman should stop being uppity and that she needs to be back in the kitchen. His email screams that kind of subtext. I would imagine that female subordinates loathed him when he was still in the Army.

20 dragonfire1981  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:37:08am

re: #6 Romantic Heretic

Sigh. They can't even pretend to be balanced, intelligent human beings any more.

They gave up on that after Obama was elected.

21 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:38:04am

Tacky. And blaming the military for teaching to you to have temper tantrums...

Beyond tacky.

22 celticdragon  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:39:55am

re: #21 SanFranciscoZionist

Tacky Disgusting. And blaming the military for teaching to you to have temper tantrums...

Beyond tacky disgusting.

Just tidying up a tad.

23 blueraven  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:41:57am

re: #10 Ojoe

The two party system, with its near perfect fit into "us-them," encourages this behavior.

Really? This is just vile and has nothing to do with party ID. This man is a thin skinned, misogynist asshole.
Ms Wasserman Schultz said nothing to deserve this.

24 tnguitarist  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:42:32am

It doesn't even occur to him that asking someone to fit into his definition of 'lady' is sexist.

25 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:43:19am

"Don't poke me in the chest".

26 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:44:08am

re: #21 SanFranciscoZionist

When he had a tantrum in the military, they suggested he not be in the military anymore.

27 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:44:47am

re: #26 Obdicut

When he had a tantrum in the military, they suggested he not be in the military anymore.

That was probably supposed to be a hint.

28 Spocomptonite  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:44:48am

re: #10 Ojoe

The two party system, with its near perfect fit into "us-them," encourages this behavior.

This guy could be a politician in Sweden, where they have so many parties one of them is the Pirate Party, and he'd still be an asshole. An opponent is an opponent, regardless of how many of them there are.

29 Iwouldprefernotto  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:45:04am

re: #10 Ojoe

The two party system, with its near perfect fit into "us-them," encourages this behavior.

Plenty of problems with the two-party system, but the vile worlds cone out of the mouth of Mr. West. And as far as I know, no one was holding a gun to his head.

30 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:46:32am

He shot his mouth off. Fairly easy to make right, but he doesn't want to.

31 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:46:33am

The vile, unprofessional, and despicable comment in question?

"Incredulously, the gentleman from Florida, who represents thousands of Medicare beneficiaries, as do I, is supportive of this plan that would increase costs for Medicare beneficiaries. Unbelievable for a member from South Florida."

How un-lady like.
/

32 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:47:17am

What a loose cannon. Plus, that excerpt of his diatribe is rather childish.

33 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:48:06am

"Elevator Gate" writ large!

Nobody is going to come out a winner here.

34 Interesting Times  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:48:36am

re: #19 celticdragon

I half expected him to say something about how the Congresswoman should stop being uppity and that she needs to be back in the kitchen. His email screams that kind of subtext. I would imagine that female subordinates loathed him when he was still in the Army.

He probably expected them to be "oral relief stations"

35 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:48:38am
”I grew up in the inner city, strong values, came from a strong military family and background,” West continues. “What we do is we totally invalidate the liberal social welfare policies and programs. And you know, I’m the threat because I’m the guy that got off their 21st-century plantation, and they cannot afford to have a strong voice such as mine out there, reverberating and resonating across this country.”

The Plum Line

Short version: Liberals are a bunch of racists.

36 justaminute  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:48:45am

Did he ever address the point that Rep. Wasserman-Schultz was making in the first place?

37 celticdragon  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:49:17am

re: #30 SanFranciscoZionist

He shot his mouth off. Fairly easy to make right, but he doesn't want to.

It fits a pattern with him. He has something like a Narcissist/God complex. He cannot admit fault or apologize. Everybody else is to blame.

38 allegro  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:49:36am

Wasserman-Schulz actual comments that prompted West's reply:

"The gentleman from Florida. who represents thousands of Medicare beneficiaries, as do I, is supportive of this plan that would increase costs for Medicare beneficiaries, unbelievable from a Member from South Florida," Wasserman Schultz said, saying the legislation "slashes Medicaid and critical investments essential to winning the future in favor of protecting tax breaks for Big Oil, millionaires, and companies who ship American jobs overseas."

Man, what a bitch!/

39 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:50:08am

re: #4 dragonfire1981

I didn't know folks in the military were trained to be douchebags and demean women.

Just imagine if they repeal DADT: they will have to act like doucebags and demean EVERYONE!!!

40 engineer cat  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:50:14am

it's not his fault cuz he hurt his head when it bumped against the death ceiling

41 allegro  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:50:28am

re: #31 Slumbering Behemoth

The vile, unprofessional, and despicable comment in question?

"Incredulously, the gentleman from Florida, who represents thousands of Medicare beneficiaries, as do I, is supportive of this plan that would increase costs for Medicare beneficiaries. Unbelievable for a member from South Florida."

How un-lady like.
/

Oops! You beat me to it!

42 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:51:19am

re: #36 justaminute

Did he ever address the point that Rep. Wasserman-Schultz was making in the first place?

That sounds like work... pandering is easy!

43 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:51:53am

re: #36 justaminute

Did he ever address the point that Rep. Wasserman-Schultz was making in the first place?

I think that's the new political tactic. Say something so stupidly outrageous that everyone forgets the mundane business of getting things done in favor of focusing on the outrageous stupidity.

44 celticdragon  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:52:19am

re: #34 publicityStunted

He probably expected them to be "oral relief stations"


Yep. We sgouldn't forget he was a reguler contributer to an outlaw biker magazine that published truly heinous comments about women. I remember something about advising women to stop complaining about sore knees and to get back to serving men with their mouths.

Family values party, folks. Nothing to see here.

45 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:52:31am

re: #41 allegro

Oops! You beat me to it!

Have an upding anyway. ;)

46 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:53:08am

Clearly he's suffering from shell paperwork shock.

//

47 celticdragon  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:53:39am

re: #38 allegro

Wasserman-Schulz actual comments that prompted West's reply:

"The gentleman from Florida. who represents thousands of Medicare beneficiaries, as do I, is supportive of this plan that would increase costs for Medicare beneficiaries, unbelievable from a Member from South Florida," Wasserman Schultz said, saying the legislation "slashes Medicaid and critical investments essential to winning the future in favor of protecting tax breaks for Big Oil, millionaires, and companies who ship American jobs overseas."

Man, what a bitch!/


The real bitch of it is that West actually lives in her district!! She is technically his representative!

48 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:54:51am

re: #46 Gus 802

He needs to get right with Gravel.

49 Tumulus11  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:56:06am

. A sexist pig and a bully.

'Still, Colonel West wanted the Iraqi policeman, Yehiya Kadoori Hamoodi, to think ''this was going to be the end'' if he did not divulge what he knew. So Colonel West presided over what he considered a time-sensitive interrogation that grew steadily more abusive until he himself fired a pistol beside Mr. Hamoodi's head.'
// NY Times May 27, 2004.

50 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:57:27am

re: #49 Tumulus11

Wikipedia said that West has come to the defense of a group of military prisoners called "The Leavenworth Ten." Who are these prisoners, because Wikipedia didn't have any info.

51 engineer cat  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:57:48am

re: #36 justaminute

Did he ever address the point that Rep. Wasserman-Schultz was making in the first place?

for sure whatever point she was making is now lost and forgotten in the brouhaha over what an asshole he is

mission accomplished!

52 What, me worry?  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:57:49am

re: #14 celticdragon

West disgraced his uniform and he is a disgrace to the Congress. He should be doing 10 years in Leavenworth for ordering the beating and mock execution of that Iraqi police officer. Of course, what would get a sergeant prison time gets a colonel a forced retirement and a great set of talking points on how he was too tough for the Army.

We have our democracy only as long as we can keep it. When we elect criminals, poltroons and idiots, we get what we deserve.

Which would also explain Governor Skeletor. He should be behind bars for committing the largest Medicare fraud in U.S. history. And now the Florida public hates him. Oh what a fucking surprise.

Debbie is beloved. West will never get to that place.

53 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:59:38am

re: #52 marjoriemoon

Cuomo or Schultz in 2016 would be great.

54 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:00:07am

West is another one of those fakers that was born and raised surrounded by government workers. His family have a military (i.e. the government). He went to public schools and colleges. His whole career in the Army is all the result of a civilian Army supported by American tax payers. Essentially, he's been on the government tit all of his life. Yet, he's another anti-government blowhard like the rest of these Randian fakters.

55 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:01:17am

And to top it all off he's still sucking off the government tit as a congressman. With all of the government perks that come with it. For life. Cradle to grave.

56 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:01:32am

re: #54 Gus 802


Military is Good Government. The rest is bunk.

57 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:02:13am

re: #54 Gus 802

West is another one of those fakers that was born and raised surrounded by government workers. His family have a military (i.e. the government). He went to public schools and colleges. His whole career in the Army is all the result of a civilian Army supported by American tax payers. Essentially, he's been on the government tit all of his life. Yet, he's another anti-government blowhard like the rest of these Randian fakters.

I'm still waiting for the point when someone petitions for a government art grant to help fund an Ayn Rand inspired project... I know its coming....

58 blueraven  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:03:14am

re: #50 ProLifeLiberal

Wikipedia said that West has come to the defense of a group of military prisoners called "The Leavenworth Ten." Who are these prisoners, because Wikipedia didn't have any info.

Try the google

[Link: www.google.com...]

59 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:03:27am

re: #57 jamesfirecat

I'm still waiting for the point when someone petitions for a government art grant to help fund an Ayn Rand inspired project... I know its coming...


"The Trickle-Down Fountainhead"?

60 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:04:15am

re: #56 ralphieboy

Military is Good Government. The rest is bunk.

The military is not the government!!11ty

/Wingnut

61 Alexzander  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:05:18am

re: #56 ralphieboy

Military is Good Government. The rest is bunk.

Do you think the current state of our military is good government?

62 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:06:37am

re: #38 allegro

Wasserman-Schulz actual comments that prompted West's reply:

"The gentleman from Florida. who represents thousands of Medicare beneficiaries, as do I, is supportive of this plan that would increase costs for Medicare beneficiaries, unbelievable from a Member from South Florida," Wasserman Schultz said, saying the legislation "slashes Medicaid and critical investments essential to winning the future in favor of protecting tax breaks for Big Oil, millionaires, and companies who ship American jobs overseas."

Man, what a bitch!/

So when he says, "Don't poke me in the chest", that's a metaphor for "Don't question my decisions in public." Is that it?

63 Spocomptonite  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:06:47am

re: #17 Spocomptonite

And speak of the devil, I just got an Allen West ad, for this page no less.

Don't worry, though, I fixed it.

64 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:07:15am

re: #61 Alexzander

Do you think the current state of our military is good government?


It is the perfect marriage of Private Enterprise and public sector: no-bid, cost-plus contracts and complete lack of transparency in the name of national security.

If we have to have government at all, it should be placed safely in the hands of those who are rich enough to afford one.


/

/ (left off of previous post)

65 What, me worry?  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:07:38am

re: #53 ProLifeLiberal

Cuomo or Schultz in 2016 would be great.

Debbie W-S for governor? She really likes being a Representative. She gets to work close with her constituents. She's extremely hands on. She even marched at Weston's gay parade with the transgender high school gal and has pics of her on her Facebook page.

I can really see Debbie sticking as a Congresswoman for many years.

66 General Nimrod Bodfish  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:08:01am

re: #59 ralphieboy

"The Trickle-Down Fountainhead"?

It's going to be a big, giant cock pissing on the taxpayers. I hear Bear Grylls has volunteered to model as a taxpayer.

67 Tumulus11  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:08:20am
50 ProLifeLiberal
Thu, Jul 21, 2011 10:57:27am


. Michael Behenna, one of the 'Leavenworth Ten.'


Fort Campbell, Ky. 'An Army officer who shot and killed an Iraqi detainee during an interrogation was convicted of murder Friday night by a military jury.

First Lt. Michael Behenna of Edmond, Okla., avoided conviction on the more serious charge of premeditated murder in the death of the detainee he took aside for questioning last May. A military panel of seven officers at Fort Campbell also found him guilty of assault but acquitted him of making a false statement.
Behenna has testified that he was trying to defend himself when he shot Ali Mansour Mohammed and that the detainee reached for his gun in a secluded railroad culvert near Beiji, Iraq. Behenna said he hadn't intended to kill him.

But Capt. Jason Elbert, a military prosecutor, said the detainee was defenseless against Behenna, and the officer's threats and other actions showed he had planned to kill the man.

'He controlled the whole situation as an officer of the U.S. Army, armed and protected and under no threat,' Elbert said.'

//KOCO.com, Oklahoma City, February 27, 2009

68 celticdragon  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:08:50am

re: #52 marjoriemoon

Which would also explain Governor Skeletor. He should be behind bars for committing the largest Medicare fraud in U.S. history. And now the Florida public hates him. Oh what a fucking surprise.

Debbie is beloved. West will never get to that place.

West is another culture war resentment icon. People on the right love him because he beat the hell out of a guy with brown skin, threatened to kill him and then shot a pistol next to his head. He was facing a court marshall with 8 year imprisonment and a bad conduct discharge. It is a narrative that the shrieking harpy would die for.

Tough army colonel doing what he needed to do to protect our troops, and he is undercut by PC weaklings who hate our steel eyed warriors!

Never mind the Iraqi cop was innocent, and that mock executions are a direct violation of the UCMJ and the Geneva Convetions, to say nothing about ordering a prisoner to be beaten. It is only criminal abuse when the other side does it. Armchair warriors who get erections while watching 24 just eat this stuff up. Tough guy colonel who talks trash about uppity wimmins and hangs out with outlaw bikers. Just wait until they try to do a movie about him...

69 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:09:05am

Down with big government!

Now if you'll excuse me. I have to be at the Pentagon in 10 minutes and get back to work.

//

70 Spocomptonite  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:10:51am

re: #63 Spocomptonite

And speak of the devil, I just got an Allen West ad, for this page no less.

Don't worry, though, I fixed it.

Donate, everyone! He really needs your support for this! I made it into a good cause!

/

71 Buck  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:13:24am

re: #38 allegro

Wasserman-Schulz actual comments that prompted West's reply:

"The gentleman from Florida. who represents thousands of Medicare beneficiaries, as do I, is supportive of this plan that would increase costs for Medicare beneficiaries, unbelievable from a Member from South Florida," Wasserman Schultz said, saying the legislation "slashes Medicaid and critical investments essential to winning the future in favor of protecting tax breaks for Big Oil, millionaires, and companies who ship American jobs overseas."

Man, what a bitch!/

Of course she said that in public. Where his comment was sent in a private email that she made public.

Not defending what he said, but I know a lot of good people who have emailed something thinking that it is a private conversation....

72 What, me worry?  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:14:03am

re: #68 celticdragon

West is another culture war resentment icon. People on the right love him because he beat the hell out of a guy with brown skin, threatened to kill him and then shot a pistol next to his head. He was facing a court marshall with 8 year imprisonment and a bad conduct discharge. It is a narrative that the shrieking harpy would die for.

Tough army colonel doing what he needed to do to protect our troops, and he is undercut by PC weaklings who hate our steel eyed warriors!

Never mind the Iraqi cop was innocent, and that mock executions are a direct violation of the UCMJ and the Geneva Convetions, to say nothing about ordering a prisoner to be beaten. It is only criminal abuse when the other side does it. Armchair warriors who get erections while watching 24 just eat this stuff up. Tough guy colonel who talks trash about uppity wimmins and hangs out with outlaw bikers. Just wait until they try to do a movie about him...

hehee (I know, not funny).

That the governor's ratings are in the toilet, some 27-29% shows how the teabaggers are full of regret. West won the seat from long-time Dem Ron Klein, a close race and shocking upset. It was the year of the upset, the underdog which was a Republican in this race. I don't know. I have no other way of explaining it!

73 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:14:17am

Fiscal responsibility....
Radio host gets charged in Ponzi scheme

Conservative radio show host Pat Kiley claims he was just reading from a script when he told his worldwide radio audience in weekly broadcasts that he was a senior financial adviser and they could avoid financial Armageddon by entrusting him and his business partners with their money.

But federal authorities say he did much more than that. In an indictment unsealed Wednesday, Kiley was portrayed as an integral figure in the $194 million Trevor Cook Ponzi scheme that defrauded more than 700 investors.

Kiley's program, "Follow the Money," was carried on more than 200 stations nationwide, including KSTP Radio (1500 AM), and on the Worldwide Christian Radio network. He called his listeners "truth seekers" and drew them in, rich and poor alike, with promises of financial security, just as the bottom began to drop away from the stock market.

74 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:14:23am

re: #65 marjoriemoon

Think higher. :D

75 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:15:08am

re: #71 Buck

Not defending what he said, but

...just defending what he said...

76 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:15:13am

re: #73 Killgore Trout

The prosperity gospel. Such a scam.

77 blueraven  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:15:53am

re: #67 Tumulus11

. Michael Behenna, one of the 'Leavenworth Ten.'

//KOCO.com, Oklahoma City, February 27, 2009

Basically they took four captured Iraqi prisoners, who were probably going to be released for lack of evidence, into the woods, blindfolded them, shot them in the head and dumped their bodies in the canal.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

78 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:16:14am

re: #71 Buck

Of course she said that in public. Where his comment was sent in a private email that she made public.

Not defending what he said, but I know a lot of good people who have emailed something thinking that it is a private conversation...

Why should he expect his misogynistic abuse would stay private? If someone insults the shit out of you in private, do you feel honor-bound to never tell anyone?

79 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:16:58am

re: #71 Buck

Of course she said that in public. Where his comment was sent in a private email that she made public.

Not defending what he said, but I know a lot of good people who have emailed something thinking that it is a private conversation...

If your not trying to defend then what are you trying to do Buck?

80 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:17:08am

re: #71 Buck

Not defending what he said, but I know a lot of good people who have emailed something thinking that it is a private conversation...

I am afraid that's rather foolish thinking. Email is never a "private conversation", and it's doubly true when you're using your company network.

81 Spocomptonite  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:17:58am

re: #71 Buck

Of course she said that in public. Where his comment was sent in a private email that she made public.

Not defending what he said, but I know a lot of good people who have emailed something thinking that it is a private conversation...

NO, you are just saying that it's different when one intends unwarranted personal attacks to be private instead of made public. We should respect West's privacy, even though apparently he's doesn't respect people in general and even though once he sent it, it was now her email and she could do with it as she wished.

82 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:19:15am

re: #81 Spocomptonite

And they're co-workers. She has to professionally associate with the dude.

It'd be like someone in your office calling you this shit in private, and expecting that you wouldn't tell the other people you work with what an amazingly-irrational dick you are.

83 What, me worry?  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:19:31am

I miss Kendrick :( My favorite Florida dems. (Can you see this?)

[Link: www.facebook.com...]

84 blueraven  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:19:35am

re: #78 Obdicut

Why should he expect his misogynistic abuse would stay private? If someone insults the shit out of you in private, do you feel honor-bound to never tell anyone?

He also copied the house leadership on the email. So no, it was never private.

85 celticdragon  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:20:06am

re: #58 blueraven

Info on former Lt Michael Behenna, one of the Leavenwroth 10 that West loves so much.

On May 5, Behenna received information on a man suspected by military intelligence to be working for Al Qaeda in Iraq they believed responsible for the attack on April 21. Acting on this intelligence Behenna's platoon raided a house in Butoma where they found the man identified by military intelligence, Ali Mansur Mohamed, along with a cache of ammunition, a RPK light machine gun and a passport with Syrian visas. After securing Mansur and collecting the arms cache Behenna's platoon returned to base with Mansur and turned him over to military intelligence agents for questioning.[2]

Less than two weeks later Mansur was ordered released due to military intelligence having insufficient evidence to hold him any longer. Behenna's platoon was tasked with the return of Mansur to town as soon as possible. On May 16, while returning the prisoner to a checkpoint as ordered, Behenna and his platoon stopped at a bridge in the northern oil refinery town of Baiji and, with the help of his Iraqi interpreter nicknamed "Harry", tried to question Mansur on the April 21st attacks. According to the interpreter, "Lieutenant Behenna started talking with Ali Mansur and Sergeant Warner followed them. Behenna and Warner started taking off Ali Mansur's clothes with their knives. They then cut his handcuffs." Behenna ordered the detainee to sit, the interpreter said, adding that Behenna seemed to be keen to get information from the detainee regarding the IED attack on US troops in April. Behenna asked the detainee several times: "What do you know you have to tell me." "Ali Mansur said I will talk to you but Lieutenant Behenna pulled trigger and killed him," the interpreter said, speaking in English. "Before we started the patrol, Lieutenant Behenna told Ali Mansur 'I will kill you'. I thought Lieutenant Behenna was trying to scare him. I did not think he would go through (with it)," the interpreter added. "I was standing 10 metres (yards) back during the shooting -- I could see everything even if it was getting dark -- and Sergeant Warner was next to me." Warner then "took the grenade from his pocket, pulled the safety ring, walked around and put the grenade under Ali Mansur's head. "Then they hid his clothes, and Behenna and Warner went back." Two US soldiers from the same battalion as the accused also testified against Warner. Corporal Cody Atkinson said that Behenna and Warner, armed with a grenade, took Mohammed out of the vehicle and under the bridge.[10]

After the murder Behenna ordered the platoon back to the base and the next day local villagers found Mansur's naked, burned body in the culvert. On July 31 of 2008 Behenna was relieved of his command and charged with the premeditated murder of Ali Mansur Mohamed. In November of that year Behenna was returned to Fort Campbell and assigned to security duties pending his court martial.[2]


So West likes war criminals who murder people and then order subordinates to cover it up. I cannot say I am surprised. Of course, the narrative on the right is that the brave Lt was doing what had to be done to protect us, you see. Shooting naked and unarmed prisoners you were ordered to release is just another way to fight the terrorists.
/do I have to?/

86 What, me worry?  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:20:33am

re: #74 ProLifeLiberal

Think higher. :D

President? LOL Hey, nothing surprises me. I think Franken should run for Pres.

He's smart enough.
He's good enough.
And damn it, I like him.

LOL

87 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:21:31am

re: #84 blueraven

He also copied the house leadership on the email. So no, it was never private.

Oh, Buck lied.

I'm really surprised.

88 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:21:42am

re: #82 Obdicut

And they're co-workers. She has to professionally associate with the dude.

It'd be like someone in your office calling you this shit in private, and expecting that you wouldn't tell the other people you work with what an amazingly-irrational dick you are.

And she's speaking into the Congressional Record, and he says it's behind his back. That's like somebody saying what you wrote in their yearbook was behind their back.

89 celticdragon  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:22:41am

re: #71 Buck

Of course she said that in public. Where his comment was sent in a private email that she made public.

Not defending what he said, but I know a lot of good people who have emailed something thinking that it is a private conversation...

He emailed it all around the House to leadership in both parties, and then started using it immediately in fundraising emails. It was not private. Try to inform yourself before you derp all over the screen with something ignorant.

90 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:23:07am

re: #77 blueraven

Yep, that seems to be the case with alot of these guys.

They deserved their punishment.

91 allegro  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:23:52am

re: #71 Buck

Of course she said that in public. Where his comment was sent in a private email that she made public.

Not defending what he said, but I know a lot of good people who have emailed something thinking that it is a private conversation...

Like I said, she's such a bitch! I mean not apologizing to him profusely for being such a terrible meanie by disagreeing with him in public, making him feel like a wimp being put down by a GIRL! And then... and THEN, showing everyone his private and totally helpful email to her pointing out where she went wrong, making it public and all... well, clearly he was right all along. She is NO lady!///

92 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:24:03am

re: #78 Obdicut

Why should he expect his misogynistic abuse would stay private? If someone insults the shit out of you in private, do you feel honor-bound to never tell anyone?

If someone sends me an email like that, I'll tell you right up front that I have no compunction at all about making it public. You lose the right to demand your emails remain private when you use your email as a weapon of abuse.

93 Spocomptonite  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:24:08am

re: #88 wrenchwench

And she's speaking into the Congressional Record, and he says it's behind his back. That's like somebody saying what you wrote in their yearbooksaid over the PA system was behind their back.


The only way it could have been less behind his back, is if she physically walked up to him and said it to his face.

94 What, me worry?  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:24:20am

Debbie W-S at an Israel Solidarity Rally.
[Link: www.facebook.com...]

(I love Debbie in case you didn't know :>)

95 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:24:28am

re: #87 Obdicut

It's possible he just didn't know. I didn't.

96 blueraven  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:25:08am

re: #87 Obdicut

Oh, Buck lied.

I'm really surprised.

Maybe he should read the daily caller:

West did not mince words in his email response to her, with a copy sent to House leadership. The subject line said it all: “Unprofessional and Inappropriate Sophomoric Behavior from Wasserman-Schultz.”

Read more: [Link: dailycaller.com...]

But then he would know the truth and, hey, what good is that?

97 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:26:07am

re: #95 Slumbering Behemoth

It's possible he just didn't know. I didn't.

Time for retraction, then.

Oh, wait.

It's Buck.

98 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:26:24am

re: #91 allegro

Like I said, she's such a bitch! I mean not apologizing to him profusely for being such a terrible meanie by disagreeing with him in public, making him feel like a wimp being put down by a GIRL! And then... and THEN, showing everyone his private and totally helpful email to her pointing out where she went wrong, making it public and all... well, clearly he was right all along. She is NO lady!///

And if she had something to say to him, she should have said it to his face, just like he said in his email.
/

99 Buck  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:27:46am

re: #95 Slumbering Behemoth

It's possible he just didn't know. I didn't.

That is correct. I only knew that it was an email, and that she made it public.

And I was not defending what he said, only pointing out that it is a common mistake to assume what you write wont be made public.

100 Spocomptonite  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:27:48am

re: #97 wrenchwench

Time for retraction, then.

Oh, wait.

It's Buck.

It's time to verbal square dance! Yee haw!

Now take your talking point

spin it around

do-see-do

Now promenade!

101 Interesting Times  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:28:27am

re: #95 Slumbering Behemoth

It's possible he just didn't know.

Then he should have done the necessary research before, as celticdragon said in #89, "derping all over the screen with something ignorant."

102 shutdown  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:29:00am

re: #99 Buck

That is correct. I only knew that it was an email, and that she made it public.

And I was not defending what he said, only pointing out that it is a common mistake to assume what you write wont be made public.

When you copy multiple other people, mainly politicians, you have absolutely no expectation of privacy.

103 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:29:32am

re: #99 Buck

That is correct. I only knew that it was an email, and that she made it public.

And I was not defending what he said, only pointing out that it is a common mistake to assume what you write wont be made public.

Do you feel the need to state that the people who send Charles hate mail are only sending him email which then goes and makes public?

104 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:30:04am

re: #99 Buck

That is correct. I only knew that it was an email, and that she made it public.

And I was not defending what he said, only pointing out that it is a common mistake to assume what you write wont be made public.

Well, he was the one who sent it to multiple parties.

105 Spocomptonite  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:30:23am

re: #99 Buck

That is correct. I only knew that it was an email, and that she made it public.

And I was not defending what he said, only pointing out that it is a common mistake to assume what you write wont be made public.

I hope for your sake you don't assume that. I mean, you're on the internet after all. When another person berates someone verbally, does that mean there's this unwritten code that they are forbidden to speak of their beratement?

106 Buck  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:31:32am

re: #103 jamesfirecat

Do you feel the need to state that the people who send Charles hate mail are only sending him email which then goes and makes public?

Did I do that?

107 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:31:41am

re: #102 imp_62

When you copy multiple other people, mainly politicians, you have absolutely no expectation of privacy.

You would think. Especially if it's on the *.gov intertoobs.

Which leaves me wondering. Shouldn't Allen West refuse to use the big-government intertoobs and use AOL instead? //

108 makeitstop  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:31:58am

The guy's a dick with anger issues.

I hope Wasserman-Schultz has a couple of nice strong young men escorting her around DC. Who's to say Anger-Boy won't take a swing at her if they cross paths?

109 Buck  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:32:05am

re: #105 Spocomptonite

I hope for your sake you don't assume that. I mean, you're on the internet after all. When another person berates someone verbally, does that mean there's this unwritten code that they are forbidden to speak of their beratement?

No, I learned that lesson more than 20 years ago.

110 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:32:09am

re: #106 Buck

Did I do that?

No but you should.

It would only be fair to do if you're going to point it out in this situation wouldn't it?

111 Buck  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:33:05am

re: #110 jamesfirecat

No but you should.

It would only be fair to do if you're going to point it out in this situation wouldn't it?

What exactly do you think I pointed out?

112 shutdown  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:33:56am

re: #107 Gus 802

You would think. Especially if it's on the *.gov intertoobs.

Which leaves me wondering. Shouldn't Allen West refuse to use the big-government intertoobs and use AOL instead? //

He probably still has one of those nifty compuserve addies...

113 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:34:01am

re: #111 Buck

What exactly do you think I pointed out?

You pointed out that the congress women was taking a private email sent to her and making it public.

If you want to wag a finger at her for doing it, how isn't if favoritism if you don't wag a finger at Charles for taking private emails sent to him and making them public?

114 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:35:52am

re: #99 Buck

That is correct. I only knew that it was an email, and that she made it public.

And I was not defending what he said, only pointing out that it is a common mistake to assume what you write wont be made public.

You in fact didn't know she made it public, because she didn't. A person can't make an email public that was already made public by the sender. You made a rock stupid, ignorant ass assumption, deal with it, that's who you are.

115 Spocomptonite  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:36:16am

re: #111 Buck

What exactly do you think I pointed out?

that email is private.

You said, under the assumption that the email was just between West and Wasserman, that it was supposed to be and remain private.

ERGO

When hate mail gets sent to Charles, should that stuff be kept private instead of occasionally getting posted here so we can all mock it?

It's exactly the same situation, since West's email was basically hate mail, and we're mocking/ridiculing West for what he typed.

116 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:36:49am
117 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:37:48am

re: #114 goddamnedfrank

You in fact didn't know she made it public, because she didn't. A person can't make an email public that was already made public by the sender. You made a rock stupid, ignorant ass assumption, deal with it, that's who you are.

Rock-paper-asinine.

118 Gus  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:37:53am

Allen West reminds me of the type of guy that would yell at a cop who pulled him over for speeding -- think "do you know who I am?!" -- and one that spends way too much time in front of the mirror. :)

119 Buck  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:38:01am

re: #113 jamesfirecat

You pointed out that the congress women was taking a private email sent to her and making it public.

If you want to wag a finger at her for doing it, how isn't if favoritism if you don't wag a finger at Charles for taking private emails sent to him and making them public?

Ahh, that is where the misunderstanding is. I was not waging a finger at the congresswoman.

I was pointing out that there was a difference between how the two communicated. It was before I found out that he CC'd a bunch of people. I did do as much research as I could, there isn't a lot of details out there. In fact most of the articles I saw don't even think it is relevant to quote what she said that set him off.

120 Buck  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:38:44am

re: #115 Spocomptonite

No I did not say "that it was supposed to be and remain private". You are adding that.

121 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:39:19am

re: #119 Buck

I did do as much research as I could,

Homeschool Research Methods, 101.

122 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:39:39am

re: #119 Buck

Ahh, that is where the misunderstanding is. I was not waging a finger at the congresswoman.

I was pointing out that there was a difference between how the two communicated. It was before I found out that he CC'd a bunch of people. I did do as much research as I could, there isn't a lot of details out there. In fact most of the articles I saw don't even think it is relevant to quote what she said that set him off.

DO you have a problem with there being a difference between how Charles and the people who hate him communicate?

123 Buck  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:39:57am

re: #114 goddamnedfrank

You in fact didn't know she made it public, because she didn't. A person can't make an email public that was already made public by the sender. You made a rock stupid, ignorant ass assumption, deal with it, that's who you are.

It was released to the media by her office.

124 Buck  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:41:35am

re: #122 jamesfirecat

DO you have a problem with there being a difference between how Charles and the people who hate him communicate?

I am not sure what you are referring to when you say "between how Charles and the people who hate him communicate". Maybe you could be more clear?

125 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:42:04am

re: #119 Buck

I did do as much research as I could, there isn't a lot of details out there.

I found his email with the cc list in less than a minute.

126 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:43:36am

re: #123 Buck

It was released to the media by her office.

Despite being the very definition of ideal masculinity everyone is to follow, you conservative guys sure do whine a lot.

127 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:43:49am

re: #124 Buck

I am not sure what you are referring to when you say "between how Charles and the people who hate him communicate". Maybe you could be more clear?

The people who hate Charles send him emails.

Charles makes those emails public.

West sent Schultz an email.

Schultz made that email public.

Do you feel the need to comment on the fact whenever Charles airs out his hate mail for all of us to see that "I know a lot of good people who have emailed something thinking that it is a private conversation..."

?

128 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:44:55am

re: #116 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Race card, I've heard of, but kneenerk race non-sequiturs?

kneejerk

129 blueraven  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:47:16am

re: #123 Buck

It was released to the media by her office.

You seem to have some facts. Care to share where you got that tidbit...Link?

130 Spocomptonite  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:49:13am

re: #119 Buck


I was pointing out that there was a difference between how the two communicated.

Well let me help you make that point:

Buck says:

"There was this congresswoman who was tough on West's policies. West, instead of addressing the criticisms of his actions, took them as a personal affront instead. As a result, he responded in what he mistakenly thought was in-kind: personal attack out of malice. Right or wrong, Wasserman was professional and impersonal about it and kept it about the issues. West was vindictive, belittling, and made it entirely personal, and that was wrong."

See how much better that is instead of trying to imply that we shouldn't be too hard on West because he accidentally did it under false assumptions of privacy?

131 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:50:50am

re: #123 Buck

It was released to the media by her office.

Do you have any proof or is this another one of your assumptions? He sent the email to multiple recipients, I can't find a single citation stating that it was her office that released it to the press. Eric Cantor was a recipient, how do you know it wasn't his office that released the email?

132 Buck  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:50:58am

re: #127 jamesfirecat

The people who hate Charles send him emails.

Charles makes those emails public.

West sent Schultz an email.

Schultz made that email public.

Do you feel the need to comment on the fact whenever Charles airs out his hate mail for all of us to see that "I know a lot of good people who have emailed something thinking that it is a private conversation..."

?

OK, again I see the misunderstanding.

You start the West/Schultz scandal at "West sent Schultz an email" ignoring what happened before that. That makes it seem like the two (Schultz and Charles) are the same.

The other misunderstanding is that when I said I was not defending West, I should have also said I am not blaming Schultz.

All I was pointing out was that there is a difference between a public attack and a private email attack (which I have admitted I thought it was erroneously) .

When Charles gets hate email, it is not because he attacked someone in public. When Charles does attack someone in public, he usually gets a response in public. There have been more than a few times that I have come to his defense, publicly, when that happened.

133 blueraven  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:52:57am

re: #131 goddamnedfrank

Do you have any proof or is this another one of your assumptions? He sent the email to multiple recipients, I can't find a single citation stating that it was her office that released it to the press. Eric Cantor was a recipient, how do you know it wasn't his office that released the email?

I couldn't find it either, but Buck has obviously researched this thoroughly. Surely he will enlighten us.

134 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:53:08am

re: #132 Buck

OK, again I see the misunderstanding.

You start the West/Schultz scandal at "West sent Schultz an email" ignoring what happened before that. That makes it seem like the two (Schultz and Charles) are the same.

The other misunderstanding is that when I said I was not defending West, I should have also said I am not blaming Schultz.

All I was pointing out was that there is a difference between a public attack and a private email attack (which I have admitted I thought it was erroneously) .

When Charles gets hate email, it is not because he attacked someone in public. When Charles does attack someone in public, he usually gets a response in public. There have been more than a few times that I have come to his defense, publicly, when that happened.

Okay then you raise a good point.

That said Buck do you consider

"Incredulously, the gentleman from Florida, who represents thousands of Medicare beneficiaries, as do I, is supportive of this plan that would increase costs for Medicare beneficiaries. Unbelievable for a member from South Florida."

To be a public attack on someone?

135 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:53:43am

re: #132 Buck

All I was pointing out was that there is a difference between a public attack and a private email attack (which I have admitted I thought it was erroneously) .

Do you think saying the word, "Unbelievable" after describing West's position on the issue actually constituted an attack?

136 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:55:30am

re: #119 Buck

I did do as much research as I could, there isn't a lot of details out there.

It's in the most basic reporting on the incident.

137 Buck  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:55:48am

#134 jamesfirecat and #135 wrenchwench

It does not matter what i think, as it was not me who says they felt attacked.

However, she was putting words in his mouth. I suspect he doesn't think he was doing what she attributed to him.

138 Spocomptonite  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:56:38am

re: #132 Buck

All I was pointing out was that there is a difference between a public attack and a private email attack (which I have admitted I thought it was erroneously) .

THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE. Further, you are forgetting the difference between an attack about the issues (wasserman) and pure personal vitriol (West).

When Charles gets hate email, it is not because he attacked someone in public. When Charles does attack someone in public, he usually gets a response in public. There have been more than a few times that I have come to his defense, publicly, when that happened.

Buck. THIS WEBSITE IS PUBLIC. Anyone can read it, and Charles goes after Right Wing craziness like, well, crazy.

139 Buck  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:57:27am

re: #136 Obdicut

It's in the most basic reporting on the incident.

Actually, no it is not.

140 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:58:04am

re: #137 Buck

#134 jamesfirecat and #135 wrenchwench

It does not matter what i think, as it was not me who says they felt attacked.

However, she was putting words in his mouth. I suspect he doesn't think he was doing what she attributed to him.

Who was this?

All I was pointing out was that there is a difference between a public attack and a private email attack (which I have admitted I thought it was erroneously) .

Wasn't that you?

141 Buck  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:59:07am

re: #140 wrenchwench

Who was this?

Wasn't that you?

Yes, but the point is not if I think it is an attack, only if West saw it as such.

142 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 11:59:38am

re: #137 Buck

What words did she put in his mouth, Buck? Please be specific.

143 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:00:11pm

re: #137 Buck

#134 jamesfirecat and #135 wrenchwench

It does not matter what i think, as it was not me who says they felt attacked.

However, she was putting words in his mouth. I suspect he doesn't think he was doing what she attributed to him.

If he doesn't think the “Cut, Cap, and Balance” plan would increase costs for medicare beneficiaries then he doesn't understand economics... at all.

144 Spocomptonite  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:00:30pm

re: #137 Buck

#134 jamesfirecat and #135 wrenchwench

It does not matter what i think, as it was not me who says they felt attacked.

However, she was putting words in his mouth. I suspect he doesn't think he was doing what she attributed to him.

Square dance

145 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:01:10pm

re: #141 Buck

Yes, but the point is not if I think it is an attack, only if West saw it as such.

And you'll defend him because he felt a word was an attack? This brave military man? He felt she 'poked his chest' by calling his position "unbelievable".

146 Buck  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:02:34pm

re: #143 jamesfirecat

If he doesn't think the “Cut, Cap, and Balance” plan would increase costs for medicare beneficiaries then he doesn't understand economics... at all.

That is your opinion. And I guess Schultz...

147 Buck  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:03:28pm

re: #145 wrenchwench

And you'll defend him because he felt a word was an attack? This brave military man? He felt she 'poked his chest' by calling his position "unbelievable".

No, I was very clear at the outset that I was NOT defending him. But thanks for the demo of putting words in someones mouth as part of an attack.

148 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:04:51pm

re: #144 Spocomptonite

Square dance

Hey, are you advocating violence?

Shake like a hound dog, shake again,
Wallow around in the old pig pen,
Wallow some more, y'all know how,
Roll around like an old fat sow,
Allemande left with your left hand,
Follow through with a right-left grand,
Now leave your partner, the dirty ol' thing,
Follow through with an elbow swing,
Grab a fence post, hold it tight,
Womp your partner with all your might,
Hit him in the shin, hit him in the head,
Hit him again, the critter ain't dead,
Womp him low and womp him high,
Stick your finger in his eye,
Pretty little rhythm, pretty little sound,
Bang your heads against the ground,
Promenade all around the room
Promenade like a bride and groom,
149 allegro  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:05:18pm

re: #146 Buck

That is your opinion. And I guess Schultz...

You guys really think everyone else is stupid, don't ya.

150 Buck  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:06:16pm

re: #149 allegro

You guys really think everyone else is stupid, don't ya.

You guys? Which group did you just generalize and place me in?

151 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:06:47pm

re: #147 Buck

No, I was very clear at the outset that I was NOT defending him. But thanks for the demo of putting words in someones mouth as part of an attack.

You said it, but not clearly. You said it with a big 'but' right after it. What word did I put in your mouth? I didn't quote you as defending him, I observed it.

152 Spocomptonite  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:07:37pm

re: #148 wrenchwench

Hey, are you advocating violence?

its a metaphor to how Buck handles the truth.

153 allegro  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:08:23pm

re: #150 Buck

You guys? Which group did you just generalize and place me in?

The group you continuously defend and then deny that you just defended.

154 Buck  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:09:31pm

re: #152 Spocomptonite

its a metaphor to how Buck handles the truth.

using a metaphor like that is tricky... you do it as a bicycle swims in the ocean.

155 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:09:46pm

re: #146 Buck

That is your opinion. And I guess Schultz...

And Congressman Van Hollen

[Link: vanhollen.house.gov...]


Well, no one should be fooled about this. They’re not proposing a clean balanced budget amendment. What they’re proposing is to manipulate the Constitution and use it to impose the Republican budget plan. If you look that plan, it does end the Medicare guarantee. It slashes Medicaid. It slashes deeply into education. And it protects tax breaks for special interests. They would write that into the United States Constitution. Under their proposal, it would be easier to cut Medicare than it would be to cut subsidies for oil and gas companies. You have a majority vote to cut Medicare. You have a majority vote to create special interest loopholes. You need two-thirds to close tax breaks. That’s an anti-majoritarian proposition. Framers would be turning in their grave if they read their provision.


And math in general...

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

And to meet a spending cap frozen at 18 percent of GDP, the government would have to shrink itself to the size it was in 1966, one year after the creation of Medicare, when life expectancy was lower, health care was cheaper, and the country was younger, and smaller in just about every way.

156 palomino  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:13:02pm

re: #150 Buck

You guys? Which group did you just generalize and place me in?

Knee jerk partisan hacks.

157 Buck  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:15:42pm

re: #155 jamesfirecat

And Congressman Van Hollen

Chris Van Hollen, the top Democrat on the Budget Committee. Surprised?

I could start to debate you on this bill, but I really think it is way off topic. Maybe we should create a separate page just for that. Then you could throw your links that demonize republicans at me, and I could throw an equal number of links that talk about how in any case medicare will have to be reformed, as will other entitlements.

Sometimes you have to change things in order to save them.

158 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:18:56pm

re: #157 Buck

Chris Van Hollen, the top Democrat on the Budget Committee. Surprised?

I could start to debate you on this bill, but I really think it is way off topic. Maybe we should create a separate page just for that. Then you could throw your links that demonize republicans at me, and I could throw an equal number of links that talk about how in any case medicare will have to be reformed, as will other entitlements.

Sometimes you have to change things in order to save them.

All I'm trying to do is prove why limiting the government spending to the ratio it was at in 1966 is going to inevitably raise the cost of social security.

If you don't care to believe that, its fine, but don't say its not related to the topic.

I'm showing why what Schultz said was not a mater of "faith" but of "fact".

Image: spending_cap_charticle_graphic.jpg

159 blueraven  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:19:30pm

re: #157 Buck

Chris Van Hollen, the top Democrat on the Budget Committee. Surprised?

I could start to debate you on this bill, but I really think it is way off topic. Maybe we should create a separate page just for that. Then you could throw your links that demonize republicans at me, and I could throw an equal number of links that talk about how in any case medicare will have to be reformed, as will other entitlements.

Sometimes you have to change things in order to save them.

Like uppity women politicians.

/

160 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:32:57pm

Remember when Buck said:

In that letter Paul Revere himself recounts bells ringing ...

Never mind that neither bells nor ringing nor any reference thereto is contained in Revere's letter. Buck appears to enjoy making ignorant ass assumptions in defense of ideologically conservative politicians, it doesn't matter how stupid, completely backwards or utterly erroneous the claim. It doesn't matter that Wasserman didn't make the email public, or that no proof exists that her office released it to the press, or that she didn't put words in his mouth, because Buck will come along and claim as true whatever convenient lie he thinks he might get away with for the next five minutes.

A normal person might eventually become weary of carrying the collective weight of shame in consistently being proven wrong time and again, but not Buck. He has an immunity to embarrassment that can only come from a complete lack of integrity.

161 tnguitarist  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:48:45pm

I quit arguing or responding to this hack a while back.

162 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:52:43pm

re: #161 tnguitarist

I quit arguing or responding to this hack a while back.

West or Buck?

/I'll try to do better....

163 tnguitarist  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:55:18pm

Latter. Sorry, I don't even want to mention the name or respond.

164 tnguitarist  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 12:56:36pm

Damnit. Pelican.

165 Buck  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:07:04pm

re: #158 jamesfirecat


I'm showing why what Schultz said was not a mater of "faith" but of "fact".

No, what she did is speak about what she thought someone else was doing. Her point could have been made without referring to someone else. She does not speak for West, and in this case may or may not have got it right.

It was, as is known on the internet as snark.

166 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:08:48pm

re: #165 Buck

Are you admitting your claim that she put words in his mouth is a lie, then?

167 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:15:54pm

Since I've just turned on the Mac today and read this post, I did some quick background reading. Seems West and Wasserman have a long-standing feud and are both 'rising stars' in their own parties.

This doesn't justify the rudeness and obviously the unprofessional one is NOT Wasserman.

168 sonny286  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:30:40pm

why would anybody apologize to DWS

she is nothing more that a disingenuous shill for Obama.

she can drop talking point turds ever time she is on TV ??

but if she is called out - she has a feminine problem ???

PLEASE

169 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:33:38pm

re: #168 sonny286

What feminine problem?

170 blueraven  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:36:19pm

re: #168 sonny286

why would anybody apologize to DWS

she is nothing more that a disingenuous shill for Obama.

she can drop talking point turds ever time she is on TV ??

but if she is called out - she has a feminine problem ???

PLEASE

What an idiotic comment.

171 Henchman 25  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:42:31pm

Active talking point bot spotted!

172 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 1:51:57pm

Shame that sonny didn't jump in with his/her brilliant analysis mid thread. We could have fired up the grill and had a few cold ones.

173 jvic  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:06:44pm

re: #54 Gus 802

West is another one of those fakers that was born and raised surrounded by government workers. His family have a military (i.e. the government). He went to public schools and colleges. His whole career in the Army is all the result of a civilian Army supported by American tax payers. Essentially, he's been on the government tit all of his life. Yet, he's another anti-government blowhard like the rest of these Randian fakters.

I worked for a self-proclaimed libertarian who never earned a dime that didn't come from the government. The experience was unforgettable, unfortunately.

Even worse are the militaristic draft dodgers like Bolton and Cheney.

174 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:32:51pm

re: #168 sonny286

Image: sleeper.jpg

175 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 2:34:11pm

re: #171 SteelPH

Active talking point bot spotted!

You should flip your avatar 180 degrees. It would be even more interesting.

176 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 3:12:50pm

re: #168 sonny286

??? ??? ??? ??? ???

The three exclamation points in a row thing is like the internet equivalent of walking around with a turd on your pants

177 Gepetto  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 4:54:56pm

re: #54 Gus 802

West is another one of those fakers that was born and raised surrounded by government workers. His family have a military (i.e. the government). He went to public schools and colleges. His whole career in the Army is all the result of a civilian Army supported by American tax payers. Essentially, he's been on the government tit all of his life. Yet, he's another anti-government blowhard like the rest of these Randian fakters.

whether or not "his family have a military", that is the first time I've ever seen a reference to military service as being on the government tit. I'm not a fan of West, but that comparison is both contemptible and idiotic.

178 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 7:07:54pm

re: #177 Gepetto

Intentionally missing the point?

179 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 8:00:16pm

re: #177 Gepetto

whether or not "his family have a military", that is the first time I've ever seen a reference to military service as being on the government tit. I'm not a fan of West, but that comparison is both contemptible and idiotic.

is the military public or private, chimpangenius?


fucking rubes, I swear

180 Gepetto  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 8:55:15pm

re: #179 WindUpBird

is the military public or private, chimpangenius?

fucking rubes, I swear

do you consider the military to be a job? of course its public . so are teachers and union contractors. do you consider teachers to be on the government tit? firemen? policemen? anyone pulling grant money?

181 Gepetto  Thu, Jul 21, 2011 9:03:52pm

re: #179 WindUpBird

is the military public or private, chimpangenius?

fucking rubes, I swear

Classy rhetoric, by the way. I envy your ability to express yourself in the face of such obvious limitations.

182 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 22, 2011 2:45:20am

re: #181 Gepetto

Classy rhetoric, by the way. I envy your ability to express yourself in the face of such obvious limitations.

Congrats on achieving hypocrisy in two sentences.

Why are you intentionally missing Gus's point?

183 Genshed  Fri, Jul 22, 2011 12:55:59pm

Wrenchwench quoth:
"You said it with a big 'but' right after it"

We've all got a big 'but'. I have no further interest in talking about Buck's big 'but'.

I DO find the fact that West lives in Wasserman Schultz's district to be. . . amusing. It's the sort of thing that would happen in a wacky, satirical novel about Florida politics.


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