Oslo Terrorism Updates: Killer Funded ‘Counter-Jihad’ Movement

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Here’s an update from the right wing Swedish website “Tidningen Realisten,” which reported yesterday that the Oslo terrorist may have been notorious white nationalist blogger “Fjordman.” They acknowledge today that this isn’t the case, but they say Anders Behring Breivik himself claimed to be “Fjordman:” Google Translation:

Updated at. 03:37
Data in the evening argues that Fjordman during the day writing an article and thus can not be identical with Anders Behring Breivik. Our information is based on Breivik for about a year ago myself claimed to be the blogger Fjordman. Of course, the task to be inaccurate, if not so many writers hid behind the name. The fact that several people tonight gave himself for being Fjordman suggests that it could be the case. If Fjordman feel unduly singled out, he is welcome with a clarification. Breivik, among other things on his Facebook page earlier expressed the same opinions as Fjordman has spread in their texts so we did not see reason to distrust his own statement that he was the man behind the pseudonym.

For more information on Breivik’s influences (which include Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, and the Gates of Vienna blog), LGF reader Sergey Romanov put together an excellent LGF Page with translations of comments posted by Breivik at a Norwegian website: Mind of a Counter-Jihadi: Visualizing Anders Breivik’s ideology.

It appears that Breivik was contributing a great deal of money to the far right “counter-jihad” movement (or at least, he boasted that he was):

I ran the business a few years while I studied and earned a few million so I could finance a inntektsløs politically active life. I now use these funds to be able to work full time to further develop / promote the Vienna Academy (Vienna school of thought) that Fjordman, Bat Yeor, Spencer + many others have already contributed so much till.

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112 comments

1 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 11:38:55am

I think that's a Swedish site, rather than a Norwegian one. I don't know how much to believe them, since they seem to be kinda Nazis.

I wonder if Fjordman will get interviewed, though. Has there been actual proof of contacts between them, or just Anders approvingly posting Fjordman's stuff, recommending his book, and saying that he was dedicating his life to pushing those ideals?

2 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 11:41:02am

re: #1 Obdicut

Yeah, I wouldn't trust that site too. They seem to be Bill-Whitesque - they will say anything to get attention.

3 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 11:42:05am

re: #1 Obdicut

I think you're right, it's Swedish. It's a crazy site all right -- there are links to books about the Bilderbergs, etc. No way to know if what they say is true -- that's why I was careful to note that the information was unverified yesterday.

I wanted to update with their new post, though, because it's relevant in light of the earlier post -- and it does show the kinds of connections going on in this creepy world of Eurofascists.

4 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 11:43:30am

Just an isolated incident, has nothing to do with any sort of ideology-driven publicists...

5 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 11:44:07am

re: #3 Charles

It is easy imagine this guy claiming to be Fjordman, since his philosophy is entirely based on Fjordman and the other far-right anti-Muslim types.

I'm really, really concerned as to whether he did act alone or not. Did he not share any information, any hint of this with any fellow travelers? Did he do all the planning, the assembly of the bomb, all by himself?

I'm also confused as to why he surrendered. Is it fear, or does he want to rant at his trial? Most assholes like this go out guns blazing.

6 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 11:44:21am

There's a convergence of world views between the shooter/bomber and Fjordy, but I kind of picture Fjordy trying to talk a person to death.

7 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 11:45:59am

re: #1 Obdicut

I think that's a Swedish site, rather than a Norwegian one. I don't know how much to believe them, since they seem to be kinda Nazis.

I wonder if Fjordman will get interviewed, though. Has there been actual proof of contacts between them, or just Anders approvingly posting Fjordman's stuff, recommending his book, and saying that he was dedicating his life to pushing those ideals?

I think that the online conversations may interest the police. How much information they shared, what they talked about, was there money involved. He also mentioned that he had conversations with the EDL and SIOE (Pam's group) about strategies and tactics. I'm sure the police are interested.

8 simoom  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 11:47:08am

(The Guardian) Norway attacks: Utøya gunman boasted of links to UK far right

Anders Brehing Breivik, the man accused of the murder of at least 91 Norwegians in a twin bomb and gun massacre, boasted online about his discussions with the far right English Defence League and other anti-Islamic European organisations.

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It was revealed that the 32-year-old former member of the country's conservative Progress Party – who had become ever more extreme in his hatred of Muslims, left wingers and the country's political establishment – had ordered six tonnes of fertiliser in May to be used in the bombing. While police continued to interrogate Breivik, who was charged with the mass killings, evidence of his increasingly far right world view emerged from an article he had posted on several Scandinavian websites, including Nordisk – a site frequented by neo-Nazis, far right radicals and Islamophobes since 2009.

The Norwegian daily VG quoted one of Breivik's friends saying that he had become a rightwing extremist in his late 20s and was now a strong opponent of multi-culturalism, expressing strong nationalistic views in online debates.

Breivik had talked admiringly about conversations he had had with unnamed English Defence League members and the organisation Stop the Islamification of Europe over the success of provocative street actions leading to violence.

"I have on some occasions had discussions with SIOE and EDL and recommended them to use certain strategies," he wrote two years ago.

"The tactics of the EDL are now to 'lure' an overreaction from the Jihad Youth/Extreme-Marxists, something they have succeeded in doing several times already." Contacted about the allegation by email by last night the EDL had not answered.

9 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 11:47:12am

re: #6 wrenchwench

There's a convergence of world views between the shooter/bomber and Fjordy, but I kind of picture Fjordy trying to talk a person to death.

Blunt trauma caused by a wall of text.

10 allegro  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 11:47:16am

re: #7 Killgore Trout

I think that the online conversations may interest the police. How much information they shared, what they talked about, was there money involved. He also mentioned that he had conversations with the EDL and SIOE (Pam's group) about strategies and tactics. I'm sure the police are interested.

I have no doubt that his actions will cause some very bright lights to be shown in some very dark, slimy corners.

11 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 11:47:34am

re: #5 Obdicut

Speculating of course-He may be deluded enough to think his compatriots will win over the public and free him. Or just free him by force or threat. He may want that bully pulpit or to be a jail martyr. Bleat about being a political prisoner and all that dreck.

12 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 11:47:40am

re: #4 ralphieboy

Just an isolated incident, has nothing to do with any sort of ideology-driven publicists...

This is not the counter-Jihadi you're looking for./

13 Winny Spencer  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 11:49:16am

It's a nazi site.

Official website for

Party of the Swedes

A previous incarnation of which was

National Socialist Front

14 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 11:49:17am

re: #8 simoom

"I have on some occasions had discussions with SIOE and EDL and recommended them to use certain strategies," he wrote two years ago.


It's no surprise that LGF was getting out of the counter-Jihad movement as people like him were getting in.

15 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 11:49:33am

re: #11 Rightwingconspirator

Speculating of course-He may be deluded enough to think his compatriots will win over the public and free him. Or just free him by force or threat. He may want that bully pulpit or to be a jail martyr. Bleat about being a political prisoner and all that dreck.

He feels totally correct and right in what he did. He sees no reason end his life or run.

16 allegro  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 11:50:59am

re: #15 ggt

He feels totally correct and right in what he did. He sees no reason end his life or run.

That is the scariest thing I've read all day.

17 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 11:53:20am

re: #16 allegro

That is the scariest thing I've read all day.

Yeah.

Probably compares himself to Jesus or is otherwise so deluded.

18 Idle Drifter  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 11:53:59am

re: #14 Killgore Trout

It's no surprise that LGF was getting out of the counter-Jihad movement as people like him were getting in.

I have always considered LGF to be apart of the rational thinkers movement.

19 allegro  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 11:56:18am

re: #17 ggt

Yeah.

Probably compares himself to Jesus or is otherwise so deluded.

I could almost see it if his victims had been politicians who actually make the policies he apparently believes are so dangerous and terrible. It's the killing of all those kids, innocent kids, and doing it with the calculating calm demeanor he was reported to have exhibited - wearing a police uniform and calling the kids to him for protection. Jebus that gives me the screaming willies.

20 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 11:56:40am

This guy doesn't see himself as a coward. That would be the opposite of everything he believes a man should be.

he is the brave, the strong and the twisted.

21 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 11:56:48am

What's really striking about this guy's writings is how indistinguishable they are from really the average poster on a lot of those anti-Muslim websites. He really does not stand out as being more unhinged; in fact, he seems more rational than many.

22 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 11:57:51am

re: #21 Obdicut

What's really striking about this guy's writings is how indistinguishable they are from really the average poster on a lot of those anti-Muslim websites. He really does not stand out as being more unhinged; in fact, he seems more rational than many.

Even the commenters at GoV noticed that. And they should know.

23 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 11:58:03am

re: #15 ggt

He feels totally correct and right in what he did. He sees no reason end his life or run.

He likes to write. He'll have plenty of quiet time to write the story of "My Struggle".

24 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 11:58:21am

re: #21 Obdicut

What's really striking about this guy's writings is how indistinguishable they are from really the average poster on a lot of those anti-Muslim websites. He really does not stand out as being more unhinged; in fact, he seems more rational than many.

THat may be the discerning factor.

Razor sharp in his thinking and in his actions.

Can we agree there is such a thing as Evil incarnate?

25 allegro  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 11:58:51am

re: #23 Decatur Deb

He likes to write. He'll have plenty of quiet time to write the story of "My Struggle".

If he has to write it in his own blood, I'll be all for it.

26 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 11:59:22am

re: #24 ggt

sorry about the bold. Did it wrong.

27 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:00:45pm

re: #23 Decatur Deb

He likes to write. He'll have plenty of quiet time to write the story of "My Struggle".

great, he'll have a whole following . . .

Probably part of his plan. He obviously wanted to be caught.

28 Henchman 25  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:01:31pm

re: #24 ggt

Isn't that a difficulty level in Wolfenstein 3D?

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29 iceweasel  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:01:41pm

re: #19 allegro

I could almost see it if his victims had been politicians who actually make the policies he apparently believes are so dangerous and terrible. It's the killing of all those kids, innocent kids, and doing it with the calculating calm demeanor he was reported to have exhibited - wearing a police uniform and calling the kids to him for protection. Jebus that gives me the screaming willies.

Exactly. He reminds me of the guy who shot up a Unitarian church-- he had a manifesto about killing liberals and killing them where they gather. ABB was probably thinking the same thing-- and "kill them while they're young".

30 Hawaii69  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:01:59pm

Gateway "Pundit" throwing a tantrum because other web sites
have the nerve to throw around "right winger" inciting incident in the same
manner he uses "horrible far leftist" 50 times a day.


even worse, these horrible leftist website's are mentioning sarah palin in their discussions about Norway. I mean, can you imagine jim hoft making such tenuous
links to barack obama..........?

31 Stanghazi  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:02:20pm

re: #10 allegro

I have no doubt that his actions will cause some very bright lights to be shown in some very dark, slimy corners.

I feel weird liking this outcome from something so horrible.

Well, they reap what they sow and all that.

32 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:02:30pm

re: #28 SteelPH

Isn't that a difficulty level in Wolfenstein 3D?

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No clue?

33 Øyvind Strømmen  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:03:58pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

I think that the online conversations may interest the police. How much information they shared, what they talked about, was there money involved. He also mentioned that he had conversations with the EDL and SIOE (Pam's group) about strategies and tactics. I'm sure the police are interested.

The terrorist did mention an 1100 page book he has apparently been working on to Fjordman, Fjordman did find this interesting, and recommended the terrorist should contact Gates of Vienna. There's no other direct communication which is publicly available. Will be interesting to see what the police dig up.

34 Øyvind Strømmen  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:04:24pm

re: #3 Charles

I think you're right, it's Swedish. It's a crazy site all right -- there are links to books about the Bilderbergs, etc. No way to know if what they say is true -- that's why I was careful to note that the information was unverified yesterday.

I wanted to update with their new post, though, because it's relevant in light of the earlier post -- and it does show the kinds of connections going on in this creepy world of Eurofascists.

Yeah, it's Swedish. Absolutely nuts, as well.

35 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:04:54pm

re: #30 Hawaii69

I mean, can you imagine jim hoft making such tenuous
links to barack obama...?

Yes. Yes I can.

36 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:06:43pm

re: #34 oslogin

Yeah, it's Swedish. Absolutely nuts, as well.

Just curious: is it easy for you as a Norwegian to understand Swedish?

37 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:09:59pm

Do the Norwegians have an injunction against inmates making a profit on any books or movie deals they make about their crime?

38 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:10:17pm

re: #21 Obdicut

What's really striking about this guy's writings is how indistinguishable they are from really the average poster on a lot of those anti-Muslim websites. He really does not stand out as being more unhinged; in fact, he seems more rational than many.

I noticed that yesterday. His facebook page indicates he's some sort of American style libertarian but not nearly as extreme as Fox News or the Tea Party.

39 jaunte  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:10:25pm

More about Breivik's online activities.


Terror Suspect member of the Nazi forum
Anders Breivik has been arrested for the massacre in Norway is a member of a Swedish Nazi Internet forums. A forum where vurmats of political terrorism and asked for a Test against government buildings.

...his political engagement online has been much more radical. 2009 registered himself as a member of the nazististiska nätforumet Nordisk. A forum with more than 22,000 members, primarily from the north. The forum discusses everything from vitmaktmusik to political strategies to crush democracy.

40 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:10:55pm

re: #29 iceweasel

Exactly. He reminds me of the guy who shot up a Unitarian church-- he had a manifesto about killing liberals and killing them where they gather. ABB was probably thinking the same thing-- and "kill them while they're young".

I heard on the radio (NPR maybe) that the kids on the island are the children of the governments most highly placed people. That made me think (if true) he deliberately went after two generations- leadership and potential leadership. Or going for the sheer terror of a two generation loss for the families. That's damn evil. Going for the enemy and his offspring.

41 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:11:42pm

re: #39 jaunte

More about Breivik's online activities.

Wonder how many such organizations will have members dropping off like flies.

42 jaunte  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:12:26pm

re: #41 ggt

I don't think they'll be able to resist talking about false flag operations.

43 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:13:26pm

Baron has the new post up, an it's a hoot.

44 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:13:52pm

re: #42 jaunte

I don't think they'll be able to resist talking about false flag operations.

Hopefully it will be a wake-up call for more than a few . . . .

45 windsagio  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:13:55pm

re: #40 Rightwingconspirator

its very very oldchool, you've got to admit.

re: #42 jaunte

I hope they get started with that right away, its always funny :p

46 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:14:38pm

"This has nothing more to do with us than Jared Loughner had to do with Sarah Palin."

Uh-huh, if you say so.

47 allegro  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:15:33pm

re: #46 Sergey Romanov

"This has nothing more to do with us than Jared Loughner had to do with Sarah Palin."

Uh-huh, if you say so.

Still smarting over that one, are they?

48 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:16:03pm
The attacks leaves a lot of questions. To the best of my knowledge, no army on earth teaches how to make bombs out of fertilizer. To make a large and effective one takes specialized training and practice. Something one gets typically at Al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
49 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:16:13pm

re: #45 windsagio

its very very oldchool, you've got to admit.
Yeah, as in dark ages old school.

50 Gus  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:16:29pm

re: #46 Sergey Romanov

"This has nothing more to do with us than Jared Loughner had to do with Sarah Palin."

Uh-huh, if you say so.

Amazing how people get when the shoe is on the other foot.

51 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:16:29pm
We are left with the persistent suspicion that there is more to the Oslo atrocity than meets the eye.

Yes, Baron. We are.

52 allegro  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:16:44pm

re: #48 Sergey Romanov

The attacks leaves a lot of questions. To the best of my knowledge, no army on earth teaches how to make bombs out of fertilizer. To make a large and effective one takes specialized training and practice. Something one gets typically at Al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

I thought they got it over the Internet.

53 JJ42  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:16:44pm

re: #36 Sergey Romanov

Just curious: is it easy for you as a Norwegian to understand Swedish?

Yes, quite easy. Same goes for danish. On the other hand, they (swedish, danes) often have trouble understanding us. Norway has been ruled by both countries at some point in history. We also have a lot of (sometimes strange) dialects in the country, and some speculates that this is why it's easy for us to understand the Swedish and Danes.

54 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:17:57pm

re: #53 JJ42

Yes, quite easy. Same goes for danish. On the other hand, they (swedish, danes) often have trouble understanding us. Norway has been ruled by both countries at some point in history. We also have a lot of (sometimes strange) dialects in the country, and some speculates that this is why it's easy for us to understand the Swedish and Danes.

Kinda like the US and Australia?

I find it it difficiult to understand spoken Aussie English.

55 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:18:44pm

re: #50 Gus 802

Amazing how people get when the shoe is on the other foot.

The thing is, this guy's level of intelligence and planning are just so different than Loughner, I'm honestly surprised to see people bringing it up.

56 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:19:06pm

re: #52 allegro

I thought they got it over the Internet.

Yeah, it's not like it's difficult to get the Terrorist's Cookbook nowadays.

57 Idle Drifter  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:19:15pm

re: #30 Hawaii69

Alex Jones has already said his piece on the attacks in Norway. (Hat tip to Killgore Trout, I could never listen to that guy or read his website without feeling sick). The idiot parade will spin this anyway they like with the biggest bullhorn they can find.

58 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:19:17pm

re: #55 Obdicut

The thing is, this guy's level of intelligence and planning are just so different than Loughner, I'm honestly surprised to see people bringing it up.

Yeah, this guy is definitely on a mission. . . .

59 avanti  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:19:23pm

re: #48 Sergey Romanov

I know how to do it, it's not rocket science, just mix it with another common liquid. The info is available on the net.

60 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:21:06pm

re: #43 Sergey Romanov

Baron has the new post up, an it's a hoot.

From it:

2. How do you know that the identity assigned to the man existed more than a few days ago?
3. Has anyone tracked the supposed culprit from childhood through high school and university, right up to today? If this were the USA, hundreds of reporters would be analyzing his old report cards, talking to his aunties, interviewing his former employers, etc. Is any of that happening now in Norway?
4. Is there any substantive information about him that was not provided via the government or government-backed media?

Why, he's as mysterious as Barack Obama!!

61 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:21:45pm

re: #52 allegro

I thought they got it over the Internet.

For a crude car bomb it doesn't take much other than an ability to use the Internet and the ability to get needed materials. Now, if you wanted to pull of the Beirut bombing, then yeah, some training is in order.

But it doesn't take any kind of training to put a bunch of explosive material (like propane or gasoline) into a car and detonating it.

62 Øyvind Strømmen  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:21:48pm

Just posted in English on my blog: [Link: oyvindstrommen.be...]

63 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:22:00pm

It's like a suspense novel, or movie.

Only worse. . . .

64 Gus  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:22:00pm

re: #55 Obdicut

The thing is, this guy's level of intelligence and planning are just so different than Loughner, I'm honestly surprised to see people bringing it up.

That too. From what I've seen Breivik's "insanity" is mutable. While Loughner has what seems to be a case of immutable insanity.

65 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:22:02pm

re: #60 wrenchwench

I want to see his COLB!!1
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66 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:22:02pm

re: #48 Sergey Romanov

You can figure out how to make a fertilizer bomb from a good high school chemistry textbook.

67 Øyvind Strømmen  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:23:14pm

re: #36 Sergey Romanov

Just curious: is it easy for you as a Norwegian to understand Swedish?

Yeah, the vocabulary is a tad different, but we generally know the Swedish words as well. Lots of Swedish children's TV in Norway.

68 Political Atheist  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:23:53pm

re: #48 Sergey Romanov

Chemistry is a dual use tech. Even silver can be highly explosive. It killed a colleague in a refining silver recovery industrial accident. Set off by the simple act of shoveling it. Put dents in 55 gallon steel barrels many yards away. Hard lesson.

69 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:23:58pm

re: #43 Sergey Romanov

Baron has the new post up, an it's a hoot.

Heh. Poor dummies are spinning for all the're worth.

70 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:24:10pm

re: #66 Conservative Moonbat

So many people who know how to make bombs here!

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71 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:24:41pm

re: #60 wrenchwench

From it:

Why, he's as mysterious as Barack Obama!!

One of Pam's readers is already suspicious that this is an Obama set up.

72 Idle Drifter  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:25:03pm

re: #48 Sergey Romanov

It's not as difficult as one would believe. The Oklahoma City bombing was a fertilizer bomb. Either fuel oil or Diesel mixed in proper portions with ammonium nitrate. The most complex part would be the timer/detonator mechanism and electronics which can be found across the internet and printed manuals can be readily found if you know where to look.

73 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:25:49pm

re: #62 oslogin

Just posted in English on my blog: [Link: oyvindstrommen.be...]

You need to make that a Page .. .

74 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:26:21pm

re: #64 Gus 802

That too. From what I've seen Breivik's "insanity" is mutable. While Loughner has what seems to be a case of immutable insanity.

The difference between a psychopath and just crazy.

75 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:26:40pm

re: #62 oslogin

Just posted in English on my blog: [Link: oyvindstrommen.be...]

Ah, thank you very much for that. reading now....

76 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:27:24pm

re: #62 oslogin

re: #73 ggt

You need to make that a Page .. .

Yes, please!

77 Gus  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:27:38pm

Breivik is not a right winger. Breivik is just another left winger. He's a product of gender studies. The kind of thing people learn in black studies classes at colleges. Breivik is a leftist and I am appalled that you people would consider him a right winger! -- Andrew Breitfart

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78 Idle Drifter  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:29:39pm

re: #70 Sergey Romanov

So many people who know how to make bombs here!

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Here's some real low tech stuff. Sparkler bombs.

79 allegro  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:30:07pm

re: #77 Gus 802

Breivik is not a right winger. Breivik is just another left winger. He's a product of gender studies. The kind of thing people learn in black studies classes at colleges. Breivik is a leftist and I am appalled that you people would consider him a right winger! -- Andrew Breitfart

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Wow, he got it all in there... left wingers, women, blacks... the trifecta!

80 Gus  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:30:08pm

re: #71 Killgore Trout

One of Pam's readers is already suspicious that this is an Obama set up.

Makes sense.

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81 Øyvind Strømmen  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:30:25pm

re: #43 Sergey Romanov

Baron has the new post up, an it's a hoot.

He writes: "I refuse to stoop to the minutiae of time-wasting “repudiations”. It’s a Sisyphean task".

I wonder why.

82 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:30:33pm

re: #77 Gus 802

The kind of thing people learn in black studies classes at colleges.


Good god.

83 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:30:53pm

re: #62 oslogin

Just posted in English on my blog: [Link: oyvindstrommen.be...]

Excellent post, excellent translation.

This quotation from Breivik:

If these demands are not fully implemented, if the European Union isn’t dismantled, Multiculturalism isn’t rejected and Muslim immigration isn’t stopped, we, the peoples of Europe, are left with no other choice than to conclude that our authorities have abandoned us, and that the taxes they collect are therefore unjust and that the laws that are passed without our consent are illegitimate. We will stop paying taxes and take the appropriate measures to protect our own security and ensure our national survival.

reminds me of stuff I've read from Arizona.

One of the gravest threats facing America today is the lack of security and enforcement along the U.S. and Mexican border. The consequences of this lack of security have yielded an unparalleled invasion of drug cartels, violent gangs, an estimated 20 million illegal aliens, and even terrorists.

Because of the Federal Government's failure to stop this invasion, the State of Arizona signed into law SB 1406. Part of this important legislation established this website for the purpose of raising funds through donations from private citizens, businesses, and corporations across the country in an effort to finance and finish building our border fence. One hundred percent of the funds raised will be held in a trust fund account in the Arizona State Treasurer's Office. The bill also created the Joint Border Security Advisory Committee for oversight and accountability of these funds. Additionally, in an effort to contain costs, inmate labor will be utilized in building the border fence.

84 Øyvind Strømmen  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:30:54pm

re: #37 ggt

Do the Norwegians have an injunction against inmates making a profit on any books or movie deals they make about their crime?

I honestly have no clue.

85 Gus  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:30:56pm

re: #79 allegro

Wow, he got it all in there... left wingers, women, blacks... the trifecta!

Yeah. Remember that phone message he left somewhere right after the holocaust museum shooter?

86 albusteve  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:31:08pm

re: #77 Gus 802

Breivik is not a right winger. Breivik is just another left winger. He's a product of gender studies. The kind of thing people learn in black studies classes at colleges. Breivik is a leftist and I am appalled that you people would consider him a right winger! -- Andrew Breitfart

//

whatever wing the guy is will just be a footnote...I'm not sure I appreciate the mad dash to pin the guy's wing....how does that effect the big picture?....it's a crime and when it's unravelled all his leanings will probably be exposed

87 Idle Drifter  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:31:08pm

re: #77 Gus 802

Breivik is not a right winger. Breivik is just another left winger. He's a product of gender studies. The kind of thing people learn in black studies classes at colleges. Breivik is a leftist and I am appalled that you people would consider him a right winger! -- Andrew Breitfart

//

Ah, the Not-A-True-Scotsman-Fallacy.

88 JDRhoades  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:31:46pm

What's really funny about Breivik once claiming to be fjordman is that Pam Geller keeps asking "if it wasn't Muslims, why did a Muslim group claim responsibility at first?" So one could ask: "if Breivik isn't fjordman, why did he once claim to be, hmmmmmm?"

Pammycakes has apparently forgotten that, in the aftermath of heinous crimes, various nutballs quite often climb out of the woodwork to claim responsibility. Ask any cop.

89 Øyvind Strømmen  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:32:05pm

re: #73 ggt

I haven't been using the Page tool, although it seems brilliant. Too many nice tools to keep an overview.

90 Gus  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:32:36pm

re: #82 Killgore Trout

Good god.

He didn't actually say that. But he could have. Hence the "//". That's a play on this...

Breitbart Voice Mail Crackup

91 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:32:49pm

re: #89 oslogin

I haven't been using the Page tool, although it seems brilliant. Too many nice tools to keep an overview.

It's easy (I do it--which means it's very easy)..

92 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:33:26pm

re: #89 oslogin

Please, try. You'll like it!

93 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:34:10pm

re: #91 ggt

It's easy (I do it--which means it's very easy)..

One of us could do it, but then you wouldn't get the updings.

You deserve them.

94 JDRhoades  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:34:32pm

re: #66 Conservative Moonbat

You can figure out how to make a fertilizer bomb from a good high school chemistry textbook.<//i>

Well, thanks to education cuts, pretty soon nobody here will have access to those.

Silver linings, I guess.

95 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:34:37pm

re: #88 JDRhoades

We don't actually know if he ever claimed to be F. That Nazi site's claims are not credible.

96 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:35:12pm

re: #95 Sergey Romanov

We don't actually know if he ever claimed to be F. That Nazi site's claims are not credible.

The only thing he'll ever claim to be is Righteous.

97 JJ42  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:35:29pm

Regarding the killer funding the counter jihad movement: He certainly had enough money to do it. He is listed with a net worth of $72 000. If someone has that amount of net worth (and no listed income), it usually means that they have no mortgage, possibly owns a company, or owns real estate. I don't know if he actually supported them financially, or just vocally.

In an interview with the neighbors of his farm, they said that they didn't really suspect anything. He seemed like a nice, polite guy. Maybe a little bit too nice and polite.. One thing they did notice however, was that after buying 6 tons of fertilizer in May, he did not spread it on the fields. It also didn't seem like he was doing any actually farming, which was his official intent. A few years before ABB took over the farm, it had been used as a base for (illegal) marijuana production. The owner was in jail, and from what I've read rented the farm to ABB.

98 Øyvind Strømmen  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:35:36pm

Ok, got it right, I think: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

99 Gus  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:35:54pm

re: #86 albusteve

whatever wing the guy is will just be a footnote...I'm not sure I appreciate the mad dash to pin the guy's wing...how does that effect the big picture?...it's a crime and when it's unravelled all his leanings will probably be exposed

Next thread...

Also today, the Guardian has an article about Oslo terrorist Anders Behring Breivik’s links to the UK far right...

Apparently it's not a footnote yet.

100 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:37:39pm

re: #98 oslogin

Ok, got it right, I think: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Yes you did.

101 albusteve  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:41:47pm

re: #99 Gus 802

Next thread...

Also today, the Guardian has an article about Oslo terrorist Anders Behring Breivik’s links to the UK far right...

Apparently it's not a footnote yet.

yeah....I can't really post, I'm in too much pain with a kidney stone...I'll let you speak for me...but I tried

102 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:42:39pm

re: #101 albusteve

yeah...I can't really post, I'm in too much pain with a kidney stone...I'll let you speak for me...but I tried

ooooh, sorry to hear that.

I hear it's on par with the pain of childbirth.

I know one, but not other.

103 Gus  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:42:41pm

re: #101 albusteve

yeah...I can't really post, I'm in too much pain with a kidney stone...I'll let you speak for me...but I tried

OK. Sorry to hear that. :)

104 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:44:38pm

I gotta take my nap.

bye all.

105 JJ42  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:45:00pm

re: #54 ggt

Don't know really. As far as i know, Australians use the same words as Americans, it's just that their accent can be a bit difficult. Swedish and Danish use other words (though often related to the Norwegian ones), in addition to a different 'tone' (or accent). Even in some Norwegian dialects, they use completely different words than what is 'official Norwegian'. Even I have difficulties understanding some of our dialects fully. Loads of funny cuss words in some of the dialects also . This is a classic from northern Norway:

This guy uses some quite colorful language against his washing machine (and his wife).
His son sneaked a tape recorder in there. It's all real.
106 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:48:03pm

re: #105 JJ42

You kidding me, that's obvious Chinese.

///

107 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:49:15pm

re: #38 Killgore Trout

I noticed that yesterday. His facebook page indicates he's some sort of American style libertarian but not nearly as extreme as Fox News or the Tea Party.

I think he's demonstrated his extremism in action.

108 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:50:07pm

re: #47 allegro

Still smarting over that one, are they?

It frightened them badly.

109 [deleted]  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 12:59:18pm
110 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 1:00:26pm

Flounce!

111 kirkspencer  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 1:36:29pm

re: #48 Sergey Romanov

The attacks leaves a lot of questions. To the best of my knowledge, no army on earth teaches how to make bombs out of fertilizer. To make a large and effective one takes specialized training and practice. Something one gets typically at Al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

I learned how to make a fertilizer bomb (among other ad hocs) from the US Army. Specialized course, I admit, but it was still a US Army course. Also, several farmer's guides prior to the 1970s taught how to make ANFOs for things like removing stumps. If you had a copy of the Black Books or the Anarchist's Cookbook you also got decent instructions. (Some of the other explosives recipes were hazardous, but the ANFO directions were quite good.)

What has delighted me for decades is that no terrorist has turned to any of the field expedients that sacrifice property damage for increased casualties.

112 Øyvind Strømmen  Sat, Jul 23, 2011 1:39:17pm

This is now being confirmed in dagbladet.no: [Link: www.dagbladet.no...]

The manifesto is his.


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