Huge Crowd Demonstrates in Oslo

A ‘rose march’ to support the victims
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In Olso today, more than a hundred thousand people turned out to honor the victims of Oslo “counter-jihad” terrorist Anders Behring Breivik. Here’s a photo of one of the crowds: Photo from Reuters Pictures.

In other developments, the entire blog for the hate group “Stop the Islamisation of Europe” has been deleted. (h/t: wrenchwench.)

And at a closed arraignment hearing today, Breivik said he had help from two cells of extremists.

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628 comments

1 Boondocksaint  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:38:37am

Was the site shut down or did the creators delete it voluntarily?

2 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:40:10am

re: #1 Boondocksaint

Was the site shut down or did the creators delete it voluntarily?

Click the link - it says it was deleted by the owner.

3 Randall Gross  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:40:16am

The real question remains:

Will Breitbart, Drudge, Fox, Salem, Horowitz, etc delink, disown, or will they double down on the crazy hate and circle wagons around their pet Heritage fellow writers and hate bloggers?

4 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:40:47am
In other developments, the blog for the hate group “Stop the Islamisation of Europe” has been deleted. (h/t: wrenchwench.)

So in other words either the European equivalent of Geller's outfit gets it and has a bit of a conscience or they are trying to hide what they were saying.

5 Randall Gross  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:42:34am

re: #4 Dreggas

So in other words either the European equivalent of Geller's outfit gets it and has a bit of a conscience or they are trying to hide what they were saying.

Maybe both.

6 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:42:37am

re: #4 Dreggas

So in other words either the European equivalent of Geller's outfit gets it and has a bit of a conscience or they are trying to hide what they were saying.

I'm going with the latter.

7 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:43:49am

re: #4 Dreggas

So in other words either the European equivalent of Geller's outfit gets it and has a bit of a conscience or they are trying to hide what they were saying.

If they were going to "get it", it would have happened a long time ago.

What else could they do, besides shut it down? They'd spend the rest of their lives on the defensive. They'll form a new organization with a milder name, and proceed.

8 darthstar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:43:58am

re: #2 Charles

Click the link - it says it was deleted by the owner.

Well, there's wishing for a major event to get attention, and then there's having a major event actually happen...and when it does? Holy shit! Talk about serious butt-pucker.

It's nice seeing these racists and bigots running for the hills in fear...it's just too bad people gave them so much credibility up until now. Speaking of which, how is Pamela Gellar weathering this storm?

9 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:44:06am

I've seen the SIOE site before, and it was a European version of Pamela Geller.

10 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:45:44am

The first survivor I heard on the radio this morning spoke in favor of a multicultural Norway. Breivik has done incalculable damage to his goals.

12 Big Steve  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:47:04am

Breivik makes me embarrassed to be a white male.

13 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:47:05am

re: #6 Charles

I'm going with the latter.

Same here. It's a total CYA move.

14 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:47:42am

Deleted, but not completely gone. Parts of the SIOE site can be viewed courtesy of the wayback machine for those so interested...

15 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:47:44am

re: #9 Charles

I've seen the SIOE site before, and it was a European version of Pamela Geller.

I thought SIOE WAS Geller? She and Spencer started that organization no? It was featured in B's online youtube manifesto.

Anyway. OMG is all I have to say.

16 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:47:52am

re: #10 wrenchwench

The first survivor I heard on the radio this morning spoke in favor of a multicultural Norway. Breivik has done incalculable damage to his goals.

If he does the same level of damage to the hate and fear that assholes like Geller and Spencer spew on a daily basis, so much the better.

17 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:48:58am

Ah nevermind. Geller and Spencer have the SIOA... tricky last letter.

18 Winny Spencer  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:49:04am

re: #15 marjoriemoon

I thought SIOE WAS Geller? She and Spencer started that organization no? It was featured in B's online youtube manifesto.

Anyway. OMG is all I have to say.

They started the American version, SIOA.

19 Bulworth  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:49:09am

re: #15 marjoriemoon

I thought SIOE WAS Geller? She and Spencer started that organization no? It was featured in B's online youtube manifesto.

Anyway. OMG is all I have to say.

I thought Spencer made some reference to it in his response to the Norway attacks. Like he was speaking on behalf of them.

20 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:49:33am

re: #18 Winny Spencer

They started the American version, SIOA.

Right... too close for comfort.

21 Kragar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:50:02am

re: #2 Charles

Click the link - it says it was deleted by the owner.

In other words, they're trying to burn the evidence.

22 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:50:09am

If memory serves me, the American version was fashioned after the European one?

24 Øyvind Strømmen  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:50:53am

The guy wanted to be present in court in his own "galla uniform"; and said that he "did not recognize this judicial system". Seems oddly familiar.

25 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:51:12am

re: #23 makeitstop

He repulses me. No shame at all.

*spit*

Indeed. He almost has a little smile. Bizarre to say the least.

26 Kragar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:52:25am

re: #24 oslogin

The guy wanted to be present in court in his own "galla uniform"; and said that he "did not recognize this judicial system". Seems oddly familiar.

Sovereign citizen time.

27 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:53:01am

re: #24 oslogin

The guy wanted to be present in court in his own "galla uniform"; and said that he "did not recognize this judicial system". Seems oddly familiar.

Sovereign citizen movement

28 Interesting Times  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:53:20am

re: #11 Gus 802

I pointed it out before, but that picture makes it even more obvious:

Breivik

Qadri (murderer of Pakistani politician Salman Tanseer, who spoke out against that country's blasphemy laws)

This creepy-as-all-hell expression needs a special term.

29 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:53:37am

re: #24 oslogin

The guy wanted to be present in court in his own "galla uniform"; and said that he "did not recognize this judicial system". Seems oddly familiar.

He's a sovereign citizen nutjob too? Gee. Imagine that.

30 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:54:56am

re: #3 Thanos

The real question remains:

Will Breitbart, Drudge, Fox, Salem, Horowitz, etc delink, disown, or will they double down on the crazy hate and circle wagons around their pet Heritage fellow writers and hate bloggers?

I'm going with the latter.

I've also noticed the EDL LGBT Division FB page -- which regularly links favorably to Hurryup Harry, Geller, Hates of Vienna and the rest -- hasn't uttered one single peep since July 23.

31 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:55:57am

re: #24 oslogin

The guy wanted to be present in court in his own "galla uniform"; and said that he "did not recognize this judicial system". Seems oddly familiar.

In one of the previous threads I posted excerpts from his book about the trials of captured "Knights", which include strategy, opening and closing statements.

So far he is acting according to plan.

32 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:56:02am

re: #24 oslogin

The guy wanted to be present in court in his own "galla uniform"; and said that he "did not recognize this judicial system". Seems oddly familiar.

That does echo the US "Sovereign Citizen" lunacy, but it's also part of the plan outlined in his rant. Sergey's page might still have it handy.

33 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:57:13am

re: #28 publicityStunted

I pointed it out before, but that picture makes it even more obvious:

Breivik

Qadri (murderer of Pakistani politician Salman Tanseer, who spoke out against that country's blasphemy laws)

This creepy-as-all-hell expression needs a special term.

Also reminds me of the smiling "Son of Sam" (David Berkowitz) killer.

Image: son_of_sam.jpg

34 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:57:21am

Have you ever seen a western lefty commit anything remotely approaching this horror, at least during the last several decades? People like the black bloc anarchists are the scum of the Earth, but their violence normally doesn't rise above the level of vandalism and occasional assaults on passersby. Like enraged baboons, lefty rioters are much more likely to pelt their enemies with feces than with bullets. The Oslo massacre almost equals the Madrid and 7-7 bombings, even though the latter were the work of trained terrorists who had the support of an international network with thousands of adherents and essentially unlimited funding.

This emphasizes a point I have made several times here: the radical right's much greater potential for violence. They focus on weapons and study the subject systematically, many from childhood. Many of them are proficient with firearms and quite a few with explosives. They know the history of terrorism, and they have a vast literature of rationalization at their disposal. Tim McVeigh and a handful of accomplices murdered 168 people by means that are available to, and understood by, millions of people in this country and Europe. There is no rightwing equivalent of Al Qaeda but there doesn't need to be.

35 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:57:22am

re: #30 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I'm going with the latter.

I've also noticed the EDL LGBT Division FB page -- which regularly links favorably to Hurryup Harry, Geller, Hates of Vienna and the rest -- hasn't uttered one single peep since July 23.

The EDL has a gay section? Holy crap.

This world just keeps getting weirder and weirder.

36 allegro  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:57:27am

re: #11 Gus 802

Image: Norwegian Anders Behring Breivik, the man accused of a killing spree and bomb attack in Norway, sits in the rear of a vehicle as he is transported in a police convoy as he is leaving the courthouse in Oslo July 25, 2011.

Creepy. He has such a smug, satisfied look on his face. He really is proud of himself and his "accomplishment." Makes it all that much more chilling.

37 Kragar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:57:33am

So now we're entering into the "putting the establishment on trial" phase of his plan.

38 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:58:12am

re: #2 Charles

Click the link - it says it was deleted by the owner.

I don't know why they would bother

[Link: sioe.wordpress.com...]

Up to late 2010.

39 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:58:30am

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

"The Justiciar Knight must demand the right to form a cultural conservative tribunal consisting of the 20 most dedicated and trustworthy cultural conservative/patriotic leaders in the country. Э

Blah blah.

40 S'latch  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:58:48am

re: #37 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Right. And more failure to follow.

41 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:59:14am

re: #30 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Wait, isn't HuH a good blog? I haven't been reading for some time, but they seem reasonable.

42 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:59:21am

re: #19 Bulworth

I thought Spencer made some reference to it in his response to the Norway attacks. Like he was speaking on behalf of them.


This is posted on Spencer's site:

Statement from SIOA and SIOE on Norway murders

Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer, Anders Gravers, Stephen Gash and everyone in SIOA and SIOE are profoundly grieved by the murders in Norway. There is nothing more painful for a parent than to lose a child, and to do so in such a way is a horror beyond measure that no words can mitigate. We stand in sympathy with the victims’ families and all the people of Norway.

[...]

In this great defense of human rights, we stand with the free people of Norway, and of free people everywhere in the world where the human spirit is struggling against oppression and injustice.

I took two paragraphs out of the middle, which makes the last paragraph stand out in its wackiness.

43 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:59:31am

re: #34 Shiplord Kirel

Have you ever seen a western lefty commit anything remotely approaching this horror, at least during the last several decades? People like the black bloc anarchists are the scum of the Earth, but their violence normally doesn't rise above the level of vandalism and occasional assaults on passersby. Like enraged baboons, lefty rioters are much more likely to pelt their enemies with feces than with bullets. The Oslo massacre almost equals the Madrid and 7-7 bombings, even though the latter were the work of trained terrorists who had the support of an international network with thousands of adherents and essentially unlimited funding.

This emphasizes a point I have made several times here: the radical right's much greater potential for violence. They focus on weapons and study the subject systematically, many from childhood. Many of them are proficient with firearms and quite a few with explosives. They know the history of terrorism, and they have a vast literature of rationalization at their disposal. Tim McVeigh and a handful of accomplices murdered 168 people by means that are available to, and understood by, millions of people in this country and Europe. There is no rightwing equivalent of Al Qaeda but there doesn't need to be.

Ah, but see, they (Breviak) called lefties Marxist so every Left minded person is either Stalin, Marx, Mao.... whatever commie is handy, because every Leftie is a commie.

44 Kragar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:00:35am

Fischer, you fucking cocksucker

Fischer: Norway Terrorist's Manifesto Is "Accurate"


In today’s column, the American Family Association’s Bryan Fischer says that after reading Norway terrorist Anders Behring Breivik’s manifesto, he concluded that Breivik’s “analysis of cultural trends in Europe and the danger created by Islamic immigration and inflitration [sic] is accurate,” adding that he strongly disagrees with Breivik’s violent means even though he agrees with Breivik’s diatribe against progressive politics and cultural diversity. Fischer contends that Breivik is not a Christian but instead should be considered a “jihadist,” writing that his close resemblance to Islamic terrorists shows that he is not a Christian (since apparently, for Fischer, terrorists cannot be Christian):
45 Kragar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:01:35am

re: #42 wrenchwench

This is posted on Spencer's site:

I took two paragraphs out of the middle, which makes the last paragraph stand out in its wackiness.

The last paragraph is them trying to push the "look what you forced him to do" meme.

46 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:02:13am

re: #44 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fischer, you fucking cocksucker

Fischer: Norway Terrorist's Manifesto Is "Accurate"

If Fischer thought he could pull the trigger and get away with it, he'd mow down everyone who objected to his bigotry. I have no doubt about that.

47 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:02:23am
48 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:03:07am

re: #44 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fischer, you fucking cocksucker

Fischer: Norway Terrorist's Manifesto Is "Accurate"

OMG. He's managed to steep to a new low. I didn't think it was possible.

49 Bulworth  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:04:10am

re: #44 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fischer, you fucking cocksucker

Fischer: Norway Terrorist's Manifesto Is "Accurate"

Another thread here referenced the complaints of another anti-modernity, anti-plurist Christianist, Josh McDowell. McDowell said something about how one's "worldview" was the really important thing, because it drove beliefs and actions, etc.

So, would Fischer acknowledge his world view as being very similar to the Norway killer's?

50 Kragar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:04:17am

re: #47 Dreggas

And on cue Glenn Beck goes Godwin, compares Norwegian campers to Hitler Youth

Beck can go eat a bag of dicks.

51 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:04:35am

re: #47 Dreggas

And on cue Glenn Beck goes Godwin, compares Norwegian campers to Hitler Youth

heh, that was good. You should do a page on it.

52 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:04:43am

re: #35 marjoriemoon

The EDL has a gay section? Holy crap.

This world just keeps getting weirder and weirder.

Not really. Every bunch has their dumb bigots, and the gay communit(ies) have all manner to pick from.

The EDL idiots go to Muslim parts of town and act out, usually during Ramadan and such. They get shouted down by the stupid BDS crowd, like this past March.

This what lgbt politics has deteriorated into, overseas. I don't want it here, but that's a losing battle, I'm afraid.

53 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:05:03am

re: #44 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fischer, you fucking cocksucker

Fischer: Norway Terrorist's Manifesto Is "Accurate"

Charles. You really should make a page for this. Just a thought. :)

54 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:05:11am

re: #44 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fischer: Norway Terrorist's Manifesto Is "Accurate"

This goes back to that whole, "His cause is just, but his methods suck" nonsense.

I said it downstairs and I'll say it again here-- if this guy had gone after a mosque, none of these far right assholes would be condemning him or spinning this right now. They'd be cheering him on.

55 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:05:55am

I'm back and I can just feel the love,

Can't you?

56 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:06:02am

re: #47 Dreggas

And on cue Glenn Beck goes Godwin, compares Norwegian campers to Hitler Youth

What a bastard. I might point out as well that our WW2 predecessors would never have stooped so low as to willfully massacre a camp full of unarmed Hitler youth. Anyone who did would have swung from the gallows.

57 AMER1CAN  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:06:35am

This is truly tragic. Can't believe one man could inflict so much damage. He has to be truly sick in the head. The junk that has been spewing from the ultra right has been absolutely disgusting over the last several years. I quit following much of the blogsphere because I couldn't identify with any of it. Too many idiots out there who use a blog as their mouth piece for hatred. I commend you Charles for taking a stand and remaining ever vigilant against this stuff. I have not always agreed with everything you say on every topic, but I give you credit for setting a course other blogs should follow and for providing some clarity in an otherwise cloudy world.

58 makeitstop  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:06:46am

re: #47 Dreggas

And on cue Glenn Beck goes Godwin, compares Norwegian campers to Hitler Youth

I'll refrain from comment. I like this blog far too much to get banned.

Beck will have a lot to answer for to his God. He is scum.

59 Bulworth  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:06:52am

re: #47 Dreggas

And on cue Glenn Beck goes Godwin, compares Norwegian campers to Hitler Youth

So, what is Beck claiming? He's very baffling to me.

60 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:06:59am

re: #41 Sergey Romanov

Wait, isn't HuH a good blog? I haven't been reading for some time, but they seem reasonable.

The main problem is EDL LGBT Division, afaic. They think of HP as "the only good liberals" or whatever. Not an endorsement I'd want, but can't stop people from linking to you.

61 jaunte  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:07:03am

re: #47 Dreggas

And on cue Glenn Beck goes Godwin, compares Norwegian campers to Hitler Youth

He and Fischer are both slimy vultures.

62 allegro  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:07:14am

re: #54 Lidane

This goes back to that whole, "His cause is just, but his methods suck" nonsense.

I said it downstairs and I'll say it again here-- if this guy had gone after a mosque, none of these far right assholes would be condemning him or spinning this right now. They'd be cheering him on.

It looks to me as though they ARE cheering him on.

63 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:08:16am

@rightwingwatch Right Wing Watch
AFA's Bryan Fischer says the Norway terrorist's radical manifesto is "accurate," only disagrees with his violent means: [Link: t.co...]

64 engineer cat  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:08:19am

re: #47 Dreggas

And on cue Glenn Beck goes Godwin, compares Norwegian campers to Hitler Youth

jonah goldberg proved decisively that camping is nazi, and therefore socialist. also all sports competitions, which resemble triumph of the will

good capitalists leave exercise to professionals, and concentrate on shopping

65 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:08:33am

re: #62 allegro

It looks to me as though they ARE cheering him on.

Of course they are. They agree with him and his ideas. They just don't like the fact that he killed a bunch of white kids.

If he'd gone after brown people and Muslims, they wouldn't give a shit.

66 jaunte  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:08:42am

re: #62 allegro

They are; they're both explaining why it's understandable to kill or terrorize your political opponents.

67 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:09:05am

It still remind me of Dr. Tiller.

So many people, although not actually approving of his murder, sympathized with the reasons.

People see evil among them and want it destroyed.

No room to revise their definition of evil.

68 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:09:33am

re: #59 Bulworth

So, what is Beck claiming? He's very baffling to me.

They deserved it.

69 Bulworth  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:09:35am

re: #63 Gus 802

@rightwingwatch Right Wing Watch
AFA's Bryan Fischer says the Norway terrorist's radical manifesto is "accurate," only disagrees with his violent means: [Link: t.co...]

I guess there's not really much else Fischer or those like him can do. Because their rhetoric and the Norway killer's are pretty likeminded.

70 Bulworth  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:10:20am

re: #68 Dreggas

They deserved it.

Puke.

71 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:10:23am

re: #52 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Not really. Every bunch has their dumb bigots, and the gay communit(ies) have all manner to pick from.

The EDL idiots go to Muslim parts of town and act out, usually during Ramadan and such. They get shouted down by the stupid BDS crowd, like this past March.

This what lgbt politics has deteriorated into, overseas. I don't want it here, but that's a losing battle, I'm afraid.

Well I imagine it's small yes? It just always disturbs me when minorities (Jews, Blacks, gay, whomever) turn bigot. I understand that bigotry is not reserved for white folk - isn't that's some irony - but I'm always shocked to see it.

72 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:10:25am

re: #68 Dreggas

They deserved it.

Yep. Those kids were at a liberal summer camp. They deserved to die, just like the Hitler Youth should have been killed. Or something.

What an asshole.

73 Kragar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:10:31am

re: #68 Dreggas

They deserved it.

He's just asking questions, showing concern.
///

74 Bulworth  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:11:54am

re: #72 Lidane

Yep. Those kids were at a liberal summer camp. They deserved to die, just like the Hitler Youth should have been killed. Or something.

What an asshole.

Unbelievable.

75 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:11:58am

re: #64 engineer dog

jonah goldberg proved decisively that camping is nazi, and therefore socialist. also all sports competitions, which resemble triumph of the will

good capitalists leave exercise to professionals, and concentrate on shopping

shopping? We are going shopping?


ooooh, have you seen these?

76 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:12:37am

re: #66 jaunte

They are; they're both explaining why it's understandable to kill or terrorize your political opponents.

When in Rome?

Who are the barbarians again?

77 Bulworth  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:13:27am

re: #72 Lidane

Yep. Those kids were at a liberal summer camp. They deserved to die, just like the Hitler Youth should have been killed. Or something.

What an asshole.

We've travelled pretty far already since Friday from "What a tragedy! We must redouble our efforts against radical Islam" to "Oh well, they were liberal camper kids in a liberal country..."

78 Kragar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:13:52am

I'll throw this out once again.

The politics of the camp and Norway don't enter into the argument.

The guy dressed like a cop, stalked and killed children with no real chance of escape for an hour and a half.

End of story. Period. Full stop.

Anyone who attempts to argue otherwise is fucking insane.

79 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:15:22am

re: #78 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Anyone who attempts to argue otherwise is fucking insane.

Or a far right blogger/pundit trying to deflect from their own incitements of hate and fear of Muslims and immigrants.

80 Interesting Times  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:15:53am

re: #78 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'll throw this out once again.

The politics of the camp and Norway don't enter into the argument.

The guy dressed like a cop, stalked and killed children with no real chance of escape for an hour and a half.

End of story. Period. Full stop.

Anyone who attempts to argue otherwise is fucking insane evil.

Fixed. "Insane" (at least the legally recognized version) means unable to tell right from wrong. These people know exactly what they're doing.

81 Kragar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:16:01am

re: #79 Lidane

Or a far right blogger/pundit trying to deflect from their own incitements of hate and fear of Muslims and immigrants.

Like I said, fucking insane.

82 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:16:36am

Glenn Beck is a sick and twisted man. As is Bryan Fischer. They deserve the scumbags of the day award.

83 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:17:31am

re: #80 publicityStunted

Fixed. "Insane" (at least the legally recognized version) means unable to tell right from wrong. These people know exactly what they're doing.

Sovereign Citizen types have their own standards for right and wrong, they do not accept societies definitions.

84 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:17:54am

re: #81 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Like I said, fucking insane.

Well, true.

It's been very revealing to see the far right reaction to a white, blue-eyed blond terrorist mowing down scores of white kids as part of a master plan that they've pretty much been advocating for the last ten years.

85 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:18:57am

re: #83 ggt

Sovereign Citizen types have their own standards for right and wrong, they do not accept societies society's definitions.

86 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:19:33am

re: #83 ggt

Sovereign Citizen types have their own standards for right and wrong, they do not accept societies definitions reality.
87 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:19:51am

I wonder how many women will want to have his perfect Aryan baby.

88 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:20:01am

re: #78 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'll throw this out once again.

The politics of the camp and Norway don't enter into the argument.

The guy dressed like a cop, stalked and killed children with no real chance of escape for an hour and a half.

End of story. Period. Full stop.

Anyone who attempts to argue otherwise is fucking insane.

Yes absolutely, but the ideology means something. Just like Islamic hatred of the West means something and has been responsible 1000s of deaths and how many injuries, who can count.

We shouldn't whitewash it. Terror is a THING. It exists. Norway and the rest of Europe has to stand fast to their democracy and laws of freedom for all people. I think they're committed to that, like we are.

89 Kragar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:22:03am

re: #88 marjoriemoon

Yes absolutely, but the ideology means something. Just like Islamic hatred of the West means something and has been responsible 1000s of deaths and how many injuries, who can count.

We shouldn't whitewash it. Terror is a THING. It exists. Norway and the rest of Europe has to stand fast to their democracy and laws of freedom for all people. I think they're committed to that, like we are.

As a motivation to explain the killings, yes, it should be talked about.

As an excuse saying the victims were asking for it? That's fucking evil.

90 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:22:07am

What I don't get is WHY do people care so much about the change of civilization. They and their kids won't be around for it. If it really concerns you that much that your genes be around in 1000 years, have lots of babies and place them at strategic place around the globe.

Civilization moves on . . . .

91 allegro  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:22:08am

re: #87 ggt

I wonder how many women will want to have his perfect Aryan baby.

Oh EWW!

92 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:23:00am

re: #91 allegro

Oh EWW!

I know, but every Whacko has his groupies.

93 S'latch  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:23:24am

It is an interesting picture of the demonstrators in Oslo. I was looking at it at first expecting to see a very diverse looking crowd. Interestingly, they are mostly European looking folks. I don't see very many of those foreigner's Beivic hated so much.

94 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:23:41am

fanboyof91, come out, come out where ever you are.

Don't be shy.

95 S'latch  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:23:59am

Beivic, Breivic, whatever.

96 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:24:03am

re: #87 ggt

I wonder how many women will want to have his perfect Aryan baby.

No doubt. The same way the American Party of God whackos in prison have their groupies.

97 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:24:19am

re: #93 Lawrence Schmerel

It is an interesting picture of the demonstrators in Oslo. I was looking at it at first expecting to see a very diverse looking crowd. Interestingly, they are mostly European looking folks. I don't see very many of those foreigner's Beivic hated so much.

That's because the country is 90% White. Any given sample isn't going to show much else.

98 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:25:35am

re: #89 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

As a motivation to explain the killings, yes, it should be talked about.

As an excuse saying the victims were asking for it? That's fucking evil.

Absolutely.

That Essman article really flipped me out. I can't believe a paper like Forbes would print such a thing. Did she ever long in here?

99 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:25:44am

re: #12 Big Steve

Breivik makes me embarrassed to be a white male.

Don't be ridiculous, she said in a pleasant tone of voice.

Evil comes in all colors and genders.

100 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:25:45am

Ack LOG in here.

101 allegro  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:25:52am

re: #90 ggt

What I don't get is WHY do people care so much about the change of civilization.

It could put a dent in the tanning bed and spray tanning business?

102 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:26:51am

re: #101 allegro

It could put a dent in the tanning bed and spray tanning business?

I guess that could have an impact . . .

/)

103 avanti  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:28:04am

Pam's feet are getting a bit warm. New thread on her hate site:

Medea Assassins

"Needless to say, I have been fielding calls from an agenda-driven media hellbent on destroying the freedom-loving voices on the right with the acts of a lone psychopath. NBC Nightly News is calling (that's a first). And Robert Spencer is besieged with media requests. NY Times, "Killings in Norway Spotlight Anti-Muslim Thought in U.S."

Instead of mourning the 91 victims of this horrible tragedy, the media is wielding it like a club to bludgeon the voices of freedom."

104 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:28:13am

re: #71 marjoriemoon

Well I imagine it's small yes? It just always disturbs me when minorities (Jews, Blacks, gay, whomever) turn bigot. I understand that bigotry is not reserved for white folk - isn't that's some irony - but I'm always shocked to see it.

They're large enough to make international news, at least.

No one should be surprised at the existence of EDL gay bigots, especially after the crop of white gays blaming every Black person around for Prop 8 three years ago.

People are quite willing to claim victimhood of racial minorities who did nothing to them (they actually think, like ABB does, they are in competition with us for victimhood. They really do consider it some kind of "status".) A certain element in the gay community is no exception.

105 jaunte  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:28:37am

re: #103 avanti

Medea Assassins

When Greeks Attack.

106 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:29:38am

re: #103 avanti

Pam's feet are getting a bit warm. New thread on her hate site:

Medea Assassins

"Needless to say, I have been fielding calls from an agenda-driven media hellbent on destroying the freedom-loving voices on the right with the acts of a lone psychopath. NBC Nightly News is calling (that's a first). And Robert Spencer is besieged with media requests. NY Times, "Killings in Norway Spotlight Anti-Muslim Thought in U.S."

Instead of mourning the 91 victims of this horrible tragedy, the media is wielding it like a club to bludgeon the voices of freedom."

teehee, the only link I could make was with the Tyler Perry movies.

Imagine the confused look on my face . . .

107 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:30:19am

re: #105 jaunte

Medea Assassins

When Greeks Attack.

And genetic Communists.

108 Kragar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:30:25am

Police Lower Death Toll in Norway Attacks to 76


Norwegian police have revised their casualty figures for a mass shooting and bomb attack last Friday, lowering the number of people killed to 76.

Police say a gunman killed 68 people on Utoeya Island, where hundreds of young people had gathered for a summer camp organized by the ruling Labour Party. Officials say the previous figure was inflated due to confusion at the site. They also raised the number of people killed in a car bombing in Oslo's government district to eight

109 avanti  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:30:25am

re: #105 jaunte

Medea Assassins

When Greeks Attack.

Revenge of my own spell checker and my Greek daddy.

110 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:30:37am

From Horowitz's site, written by Bruce Thornton: Oslo and the Dangers of Moral Equivalence [or, Magical Balance Fairy does Preemptive Pirouette, ed.]

This reliance on moral equivalence not only obscures the causes of Muslim violence. It also leads to misunderstanding the true significance of European extremism. Rather than the expression of Christian or conservative pathology, acts like the Oslo bombing expose the bankruptcy of the EU utopian dream and its notion that nationalist loyalty and Christian identity are at best passé, at worst an expression of xenophobia or racism. EUtopia has marginalized legitimate nationalist and religious identity and exalted in its place some mythic transnational cosmopolitanism and sentimentalized multiculturalism alien to the lives of most ordinary Europeans. As such it creates the conditions in which extremist, if not neo-fascist varieties of nationalism, can flourish, particularly given the growing problems of marginalized and unassimilated Muslim immigrants.

"It's not Christian Terrorism, it's a natural reaction to multiculturalism".

111 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:30:49am

re: #103 avanti

Pam's feet are getting a bit warm. New thread on her hate site:

Medea Assassins

"Needless to say, I have been fielding calls from an agenda-driven media hellbent on destroying the freedom-loving voices on the right with the acts of a lone psychopath. NBC Nightly News is calling (that's a first). And Robert Spencer is besieged with media requests. NY Times, "Killings in Norway Spotlight Anti-Muslim Thought in U.S."

Instead of mourning the 91 victims of this horrible tragedy, the media is wielding it like a club to bludgeon the voices of freedom."

I'm sorry, but that makes me incredibly happy. I hope they're calling her non-stop all day and night.

"Gee, what did I do wrong?" *blinks eyes*

112 jaunte  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:31:24am

re: #109 avanti

"Sharia-compliant media!"

113 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:31:33am

re: #109 avanti

Revenge of my own spell checker and my Greek daddy.

I figured it was Geller's gin.

114 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:31:49am

re: #110 wrenchwench

From Horowitz's site, written by Bruce Thornton: Oslo and the Dangers of Moral Equivalence [or, Magical Balance Fairy does Preemptive Pirouette, ed.]

"It's not Christian Terrorism, it's a natural reaction to multiculturalism".

Thanks for your translation. I didn't understand one bit of what was written.

115 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:32:02am

re: #110 wrenchwench

From Horowitz's site, written by Bruce Thornton: Oslo and the Dangers of Moral Equivalence [or, Magical Balance Fairy does Preemptive Pirouette, ed.]

"It's not Christian Terrorism, it's a natural reaction to multiculturalism".

They all have their point shoes on today.

//

116 avanti  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:33:10am

re: #113 wrenchwench

No my screw up, and I'm stone sober too. MEDIA is the word I butchered.

117 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:33:13am

re: #110 wrenchwench

From Horowitz's site, written by Bruce Thornton: Oslo and the Dangers of Moral Equivalence [or, Magical Balance Fairy does Preemptive Pirouette, ed.]

"It's not Christian Terrorism, it's a natural reaction to multiculturalism".

"I'm just being critical of Islam!! I am NOT a murder-minded anti-brown bigot. So stop saying that!"

118 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:33:25am

re: #110 wrenchwench

From Horowitz's site, written by Bruce Thornton: Oslo and the Dangers of Moral Equivalence [or, Magical Balance Fairy does Preemptive Pirouette, ed.]

"It's not Christian Terrorism, it's a natural reaction to multiculturalism".

Christians can't be terrorists! Only MUSLIMS are terrorists. Christians are vigilantes, don'tcha know.

///

119 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:34:40am

re: #114 ggt

Thanks for your translation. I didn't understand one bit of what was written.

That's the Fjordy Method:

"Dump so many words out there, without breaking syntax, that the reader assumes the material is over their head and never figures out what I'm really saying."

(That, of course, is a highly abbreviated description.)

120 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:35:29am

Norway Attacks Stoke Fears Of Growing Extremism

"So that has led to a more mainstream backlash. You see politicians you would think of as being more in the center as well as people far on the right making these kinds of statements.

Recently, in fact, yes, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, French President Nicolas Sarkozy and British Prime Minister David Cameron all declared that multiculturalism had failed.

But there's a confusion about what multiculturalism means and how different governments applied immigration policies
, if they had any at all. In Germany, immigrants were never expected to remain; that's why they were called "guest workers." German authorities often show a condescending attitude: There are judges who rule in favor of the Muslim husband beating his wife because the judge says it's part of their culture and religion. The result, two or three generations later, is mostly separate, parallel societies — German and immigrant — that never meet."

121 jaunte  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:35:45am

re: #109 avanti

It's pretty funny that she's trying to dismiss the NYT piece as an 'editorial'.

The man accused of the killing spree in Norway was deeply influenced by a small group of American bloggers and writers who have warned for years about the threat from Islam, lacing his 1,500-page manifesto with quotations from them, as well as copying multiple passages from the tract of the Unabomber.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

122 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:35:48am

re: #119 wrenchwench

That's the Fjordy Method:

"Dump so many words out there, without breaking syntax, that the reader assumes the material is over their head and never figures out what I'm really saying."

Translation: "Drown 'em in bullshit and high-dollar words! They won't know the difference"

123 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:36:31am

re: #104 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

They're large enough to make international news, at least.

No one should be surprised at the existence of EDL gay bigots, especially after the crop of white gays blaming every Black person around for Prop 8 three years ago.

People are quite willing to claim victimhood of racial minorities who did nothing to them (they actually think, like ABB does, they are in competition with us for victimhood. They really do consider it some kind of "status".) A certain element in the gay community is no exception.

Right... forgot about Prop 8. It's about competition for victimhood, for sure. The white supremacists love that one and use it all the time.

But I STILL can't help to be shocked. I can't get my brain around it.

I've also been using the internet since 1985 and it still dazzles me. I guess I amuse and shock easily :p

124 avanti  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:37:12am

re: #111 marjoriemoon

I'm sorry, but that makes me incredibly happy. I hope they're calling her non-stop all day and night.

"Gee, what did I do wrong?" *blinks eyes*

She may have to close her comment section, the non-crazy are showing up:

"Wendy said...

You lost me at "lone psychopath". Your words (no matter how insipid, idiotic, or meaningless) unfortunately do matter. Who are you trying to convince with this post? The "sharia-compliant media"? Your readers? Yourself? You are part of this man's narrative. If I were you (and clearly, I am not, for any number of reasons), this would be the time to evaluate my life choices and the ideas I am presenting to the world. I suspect that sadly, you are not capable of such introspection."

125 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:38:00am

re: #122 Lidane

Translation: "Drown 'em in bullshit and high-dollar words! They won't know the difference"

It's ironic that part of Fjordy's method was to insert huge quotations from people smarter than himself, and now his essays are being used as that kind of fill by Breivik.

126 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:38:50am

re: #119 wrenchwench

That's the Fjordy Method:

"Dump so many words out there, without breaking syntax, that the reader assumes the material is over their head and never figures out what I'm really saying."

(That, of course, is a highly abbreviated description.)

Just toss a bunch of words in the air as they enter your crazed mind and see where they land. The pseudo-intellectualism is thick with that crowd. GoV reminds me of the idiot-savants of the American Nazi Party. It's not even close since Fjordman writes on what seems to be a junior high school level. That's if you discount the fact that he seems to be a fictional character from a novel where he's playing the paranoid white supremacist antagonist.

127 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:39:49am

re: #30 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I'm going with the latter.

I've also noticed the EDL LGBT Division FB page -- which regularly links favorably to Hurryup Harry, Geller, Hates of Vienna and the rest -- hasn't uttered one single peep since July 23.

Wait, what! Harry's Place?

128 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:39:52am

By the way, the moment I knew Fjordy was dealing in pure bullshit was when he said Mexico was going to conquer the US.

129 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:40:27am

re: #119 wrenchwench

That's the Fjordy Method:

"Dump so many words out there, without breaking syntax, that the reader assumes the material is over their head and never figures out what I'm really saying."

(That, of course, is a highly abbreviated description.)

Wow that was amazingly right on.

130 darthstar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:41:32am

Oh, this is too fucking cool not to share. Google is playing with animation in their results now.

Step 1: Search google for SIOA
Step 2: Look at the SIOA result - after the word "cached"
Step 3: Click the "Block SIOAonline from search results" link

Watch the little explosion cloud as the results are forever removed from your searches.

131 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:42:35am

re: #127 Alouette

Wait, what! Harry's Place?

Yeah, there's a link on your last page about it.

EDL endorsements, credible as...

132 Bulworth  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:42:53am

re: #110 wrenchwench

From Horowitz's site, written by Bruce Thornton: Oslo and the Dangers of Moral Equivalence [or, Magical Balance Fairy does Preemptive Pirouette, ed.]


"It's not Christian Terrorism, it's a natural reaction to multiculturalism".

I love the "Christian or conservative pathology" bit. Because obviously neither Christian nor conservative thought can exhibit a pathological strain or have actual destructive results. ///

So, if it looks like "conservative pathology" we can rest assured that it isn't; rather, what looks like conservative pathology is really a liberal, multicultural pathology. //

133 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:43:18am

re: #128 wrenchwench

By the way, the moment I knew Fjordy was dealing in pure bullshit was when he said Mexico was going to conquer the US.

The lights are on but nobody's home. He's not playing with a full deck. The elevator doesn't go to the top floor...

Hey do you remember the name of that anti-Jihad pundit that made a big stink at CPAC?

134 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:44:04am

Now I remember. Frank Gaffney. He's another psycho.

135 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:44:14am

re: #124 avanti

She may have to close her comment section, the non-crazy are showing up:

"Wendy said...

You lost me at "lone psychopath". Your words (no matter how insipid, idiotic, or meaningless) unfortunately do matter. Who are you trying to convince with this post? The "sharia-compliant media"? Your readers? Yourself? You are part of this man's narrative. If I were you (and clearly, I am not, for any number of reasons), this would be the time to evaluate my life choices and the ideas I am presenting to the world. I suspect that sadly, you are not capable of such introspection."

Whoa. That was pretty right on. People have been saying that to her forever, at least 4 years (*cough* LGF *cough* Charles *cough*). But... you know... she's got a story and she's stickin' to it, as my dear old paps used to say.

136 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:44:44am

Oops, later, lizards. Time for the annual trip to the vet with the kitties.

137 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:45:28am

re: #135 marjoriemoon

Whoa. That was pretty right on. People have been saying that to her forever, at least 4 years (*cough* LGF *cough* Charles *cough*). But... you know... she's got a story and she's stickin' to it, as my dear old paps used to say.

She is fighting a war and she has found like-minded people to fight with her. She is fighting with propaganda.

Make no doubt, in her mind it is war.

138 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:45:51am

re: #132 Bulworth

I love the "Christian or conservative pathology" bit. Because obviously neither Christian nor conservative thought can exhibit a pathological strain or have actual destructive results. ///

So, if it looks like "conservative pathology" we can rest assured that it isn't; rather, what looks like conservative pathology is really a liberal, multicultural pathology. //

57 states muslim kenyan usurper very french throws like a girl pathology!
139 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:46:30am

Speaking of psychos. Has Andrew Breitbart commented yet?

140 jaunte  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:47:51am

Think back for a minute to all the shrieking over the DHS report on right-wing extremism in 2009...

[the report] carefully delineates that the subject of its report is "rightwing extremists," "domestic rightwing terrorist and extremist groups," "terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks," "white supremacists," and similar very real threats described in similar language. [Link: crooksandliars.com...]
141 avanti  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:47:52am

re: #135 marjoriemoon

Whoa. That was pretty right on. People have been saying that to her forever, at least 4 years (*cough* LGF *cough* Charles *cough*). But... you know... she's got a story and she's stickin' to it, as my dear old paps used to say.

Pam's not liking this link

"Christian Terrorism
If Muslims are responsible for Islamic terrorism, are Muslim-bashers responsible for the massacre in Norway?"

Slate.

142 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:48:31am

"How DARE you call him a right winger. How DARE you! [spittle] Breivik is obviously a product of gender and black studies! He's obviously a LEFTIST! How DARE you!" [spittle] -- Android Breitfart

//

143 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:48:37am

re: #139 Gus 802

Speaking of psychos. Has Andrew Breitbart commented yet?

He's busy trying to edit a 1500 page manifesto to turn Breivik into a liberal.

144 Bear  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:48:54am

re: #136 wrenchwench

Hope all goes well. Shots and?.

145 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:49:10am

I was just visualizing Europe. The countries are similar shape and size to to the States.

I can't image each and every state having vastly different culture & language.

I don't think I can really understand what is going on over there.

146 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:50:37am

re: #136 wrenchwench

Oops, later, lizards. Time for the annual trip to the vet with the kitties.

Better you than me. My Cat Overlord hasn't been to the vet for 2 years. When I bring out the cat carrier, he hides for 2 weeks. The last time I ended-up catching him in a pillow case and taking him to the vet in it.

147 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:51:09am

re: #143 Lidane

He's busy trying to edit a 1500 page manifesto to turn Breivik into a liberal.

That would be the Wingnut-Method™. Jonah Goldberg will conclude that he's a Nazi therefore he's "a liberal and thus a Democrat."

148 Boondocksaint  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:51:13am

re: #2 Charles

Click the link - it says it was deleted by the owner.

Good riddance.

149 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:52:07am

re: #146 ggt

Better you than me. My Cat Overlord hasn't been to the vet for 2 years. When I bring out the cat carrier, he hides for 2 weeks. The last time I ended-up catching him in a pillow case and taking him to the vet in it.

Neither of my Cat Overlords have been in a couple of years. Between school, the lack of funds, and the fact that they're both strictly indoor cats, I haven't taken them.

I need to, though. I want to get them groomed but they need current shots first.

150 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:52:09am

re: #120 ggt

Norway Attacks Stoke Fears Of Growing Extremism

The result, two or three generations later, is mostly separate, parallel societies — German and immigrant — that never meet."

I hope that never happens in the US. It would be very sad to miss out on all the food.

151 Bulworth  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:52:30am

re: #147 Gus 802

That would be the Wingnut-Method™. Jonah Goldberg will conclude that he's a Nazi therefore he's "a liberal and thus a Democrat."

But, but, I thought the little political campers were Nazi's and thus deserved it (Beck)? //

152 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:53:05am

re: #137 ggt

She is fighting a war and she has found like-minded people to fight with her. She is fighting with propaganda.

Make no doubt, in her mind it is war.

Is very true, but a very huge part of this is narcissism. She loves the attention. Of all the anti-jihadist blogs, she's dubbed herself poster girl. There are more pictures of her face on her blog than any other. In fact, other than the front page, I don't know of any rightwing blogs that do that level of self-promotion.

153 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:53:19am

re: #149 Lidane

Neither of my Cat Overlords have been in a couple of years. Between school, the lack of funds, and the fact that they're both strictly indoor cats, I haven't taken them.

I need to, though. I want to get them groomed but they need current shots first.

Mine is indoor too --about 10 years old. He is very healthy, lean, not at all fat. His coat is shiney. But I feel guilty.

154 avanti  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:53:58am

BTW, my link to Slate up thread quotes Charles
"On Friday, Charles Johnson, an anti-Jihadist blogger, posted a headline calling Breivik a "Pamela Geller fan." He cited evidence that Breivik was influenced by Geller and Spencer and had given "a great deal of money to the far right 'counter-jihad' movement." Next came an item titled, "Oslo Terrorist Linked to … European Branch of Pamela Geller's Hate Group." Then a sharper accusation: "Breivik is a product of the groups and causes Pamela Geller continues to promote." Johnson concluded that "in the Norway atrocities, the responsibility is far more evident and direct. People like Fjordman and Pamela Geller and the right wing blogosphere who spew apocalyptic rhetoric and refuse to denounce the extremists among them now have the very real blood of children on their hands."

155 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:54:11am

re: #150 ggt

Let's be blunt here. The German Government has been moronic at best on this.

156 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:54:15am

re: #152 marjoriemoon

Is very true, but a very huge part of this is narcissism. She loves the attention. Of all the anti-jihadist blogs, she's dubbed herself poster girl. There are more pictures of her face on her blog than any other. In fact, other than the front page, I don't know of any rightwing blogs that do that level of self-promotion.

I guess it gives her life meaning.

Have to wonder how her kids feel about it.

157 KingKenrod  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:54:37am

re: #143 Lidane

He's busy trying to edit a 1500 page manifesto to turn Breivik into a liberal.

Glenn Reynolds has dibs on that.

158 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:57:02am

re: #157 KingKenrod

Glenn Reynolds has dibs on that.

No one has ever accused Breitbart of being an original thinker.

159 makeitstop  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:57:12am

OT: I was just out running some errands, and I noticed something about the debt ceiling coverage among the NYC media.

Both of the top news stations (owned by the same company and taking up no less than six slots on the NYC broadcast spectrum) are consistently reporting Boehner's side of the story first, and then reporting the administration's side as if to subtly imply that the GOP are on the correct side of the debate and everything Obama says is in response.

It is insidious and infuriating.

160 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:57:16am

re: #155 ProLifeLiberal

Let's be blunt here. The German Government has been moronic at best on this.

What was all the car fires about in France a few years back. All I remember was immigrants not being able to assimilate.

I watched the Ambassador to the US from France on CSPAN during that time. He said they have no "differences" in France. All people are the same, not like in the US where we divide people into groups, we recognize minorities.

Yet, the violence was happening in France at the time. I took it to mean they don't have Cultural Food Fests like we do in just about every major city in the summer. Which I missed this year in Chicago, :(

161 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:57:56am

re: #131 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yeah, there's a link on your last page about it.

EDL endorsements, credible as...

Shit.

162 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:58:15am

re: #157 KingKenrod

Glenn Reynolds has dibs on that.

They're falling down on the job. I already know what they're going to cherrypick to try it. Just like the rwnj angry-bitters used Jared Loughner's booklist against him, they will use his own references, just watch.

Problem is, it will backfire, because ABB goes out of his way to make it known he's using "multiculturalism" against "multiculturalists".

So they're going to get caught in an infinite loop.

163 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:58:20am

@EricBoehlert Eric Boehlert
hey RW, just stop......; RT @mmfa .@RedState blog ties Norway bombing tragedy to pro-choice movement, [Link: t.co...] #p2 #tcot

164 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:58:43am

re: #163 Gus 802

@EricBoehlert Eric Boehlert
hey RW, just stop...; RT @mmfa .@RedState blog ties Norway bombing tragedy to pro-choice movement, [Link: t.co...] #p2 #tcot

ah, that took some mental gymnastics . . .

165 makeitstop  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:59:17am

re: #163 Gus 802

@EricBoehlert Eric Boehlert
hey RW, just stop...; RT @mmfa .@RedState blog ties Norway bombing tragedy to pro-choice movement, [Link: t.co...] #p2 #tcot

Stupid never sleeps.

166 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:59:39am

OT Bleh...

@latimes Los Angeles Times
Gas and diesel prices rising again; big oil earnings expected [Link: lat.ms...] RT @latimesbiz:

No shit. Brings home the idea that those asshole deserve all of the tax breaks -- according to the GOP.

167 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:59:51am

Wimmins fault, not wanting to have all those Perfect Aryan Babies one after the other. . . .

168 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:00:43pm

re: #161 Alouette

Shit.

Yeah, it's bad. But hey, I've got trig troothers linking to me, as well as numbnuts who think I'm pro Palin politics.

Reading comprehension never was the bigot's strong suit. Can't control who's linking to you, no matter how one tries.

169 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:01:20pm

re: #164 ggt

ah, that took some mental gymnastics . . .

I'm coming to the conclusion that Breivik's manifesto is really THEIR manifesto. Heck. Bryan Fischer admitted as much.

170 Bulworth  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:01:36pm

re: #165 makeitstop

Stupid never sleeps.

Because the Norway killer loves or hates pro-choicers? Either position will work for the RW. Since the Norway killer's "manifesto" had a specific rant against feminists, it must be that pro-choicers made him "snap".

171 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:01:47pm

re: #160 ggt

Most governments in Europe have done actions in similar manner, if not in scale.

Europe (With a few exceptions)bhad more or less shoved their Muslims off into a corner, then forgot about them.

172 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:01:58pm

re: #169 Gus 802

I'm coming to the conclusion that Breivik's manifesto is really THEIR manifesto. Heck. Bryan Fischer admitted as much.

ONe they didn't realize they were writing?

173 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:02:48pm

re: #171 ProLifeLiberal

Most governments in Europe have done actions in similar manner, if not in scale.

Europe (With a few exceptions)bhad more or less shoved their Muslims off into a corner, then forgot about them.

Well that doesn't say much for their practice of "multiculturalism".

174 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:03:03pm

Meanwhile, back here in the states, Rep. Steve King (R-IA) says that President Obama would be impeached if the nation defaults.

Let's just ignore that the US Constitution puts the budget authority in the hands of Congress, and specifically the House. Since the debt ceiling is a function of the power to raise revenue, that's within the powers of the House.

175 Kragar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:03:41pm

Norwegian Killer’s Father: ‘He Should Have Taken His Own Life’


Expressen said the elder Mr. Breivik often fell silent during what it described as a two-hour interview.

“How could he stand there and kill so many innocent people and just seem to think that everything was as it should be?” he asked at one point. “That it could be like that? He should have taken his own life, too. That’s what he should have done.”

The father worked for the Norwegian Foreign Ministry as a diplomat form 1965 to 1996. He was stationed at the Norwegian embassies in London and Tehran, among other places.

“I am dragged into this whether I want to or not,” he said. “I’m his father. I hope that people will understand that I have nothing to do with this.” He also said he was concerned that vengeance seekers might target him, even though he and his wife live far from Norway. He said it would be difficult for him to ever visit Norway again.

176 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:04:04pm

re: #172 ggt

ONe they didn't realize they were writing?

Yep. If Breivik won the Wingnut Oscar for his manifesto he wouldn't thank "the Academy". He would thank the wingnut blogger academy.

177 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:05:46pm

re: #174 lawhawk

Meanwhile, back here in the states, Rep. Steve King (R-IA) says that President Obama would be impeached if the nation defaults.

Let's just ignore that the US Constitution puts the budget authority in the hands of Congress, and specifically the House. Since the debt ceiling is a function of the power to raise revenue, that's within the powers of the House.

What a maroon.

178 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:05:53pm

re: #173 ggt

Great point: They never practiced it (or at least a reasonable/sane form of it) in the first place.

179 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:06:02pm

re: #175 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Norwegian Killer’s Father: ‘He Should Have Taken His Own Life’

WEll, that is a rather coherent interview.

I think I'd be a blithering idiot if I were in his shoes.

180 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:06:13pm

re: #174 lawhawk

Meanwhile, back here in the states, Rep. Steve King (R-IA) says that President Obama would be impeached if the nation defaults.

Let's just ignore that the US Constitution puts the budget authority in the hands of Congress, and specifically the House. Since the debt ceiling is a function of the power to raise revenue, that's within the powers of the House.

Pfft. As if the current GOP cares about what the Constitution actually says. It's all about going after Obama, consequences be damned.

181 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:06:49pm

re: #178 ProLifeLiberal

Great point: They never practiced it (or at least a reasonable/sane form of it) in the first place.

While espousing that they were the leaders in it?

I am so confused.

182 Olsonist  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:06:58pm

re: #163 Gus 802

It's the Struggle for the Narrative. They won the Loughner round handily. The only recourse is economic. Confront the advertisers on Fox.

Verizon. I have a Verizon cell phone. How am I going to do this? Any suggestions?

183 Øyvind Strømmen  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:07:02pm

The Norwegian newspaper vg.no - a tabloid I usually can't stand - has made a wonderrul internet campaign with people holding hands against terror. I hope you will join me there: [Link: www.vg.no...]

184 Bulworth  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:07:16pm

As if the current GOP cares about knows what the Constitution actually says. It's all about going after Obama, consequences be damned.

Fixed.

185 zora  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:07:41pm

re: #163 Gus 802

so has he convinced himself that the mass murderer is pro-life?

186 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:07:51pm

re: #182 Olsonist

It's the Struggle for the Narrative. They won the Loughner round handily. The only recourse is economic. Confront the advertisers on Fox.

Verizon. I have a Verizon cell phone. How am I going to do this? Any suggestions?

None. I have a Droid 2. Locked in.

187 makeitstop  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:07:52pm
“How could he stand there and kill so many innocent people and just seem to think that everything was as it should be?” he asked at one point. “That it could be like that? He should have taken his own life, too first. That’s what he should have done.”

FTFY, Dad.

188 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:08:08pm

re: #185 zora

so has he convinced himself that the mass murderer is pro-life?

Just like Dr. Tiller's killer . . .

189 Bulworth  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:08:57pm

re: #185 zora

so has he convinced himself that the mass murderer is pro-life?

Well, that should show the pro-choicers... ///

190 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:09:00pm

re: #185 zora

so has he convinced himself that the mass murderer is pro-life?

I haven't looked. I woke up with a low tolerance for wingnut drivel today.

191 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:10:39pm

re: #185 zora

so has he convinced himself that the mass murderer is pro-life?

He's prolife for the only people who matter.

Just like so many other seething prolife bigots.

192 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:11:00pm

re: #191 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

He's prolife for the only people who matter.

Just like so many other seething prolife bigots.

fetuses

193 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:11:19pm

re: #192 ggt

fetuses

black fetuses if it will help get them votes.

194 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:12:39pm

re: #39 Sergey Romanov

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

"The Justiciar Knight must demand the right to form a cultural conservative tribunal consisting of the 20 most dedicated and trustworthy cultural conservative/patriotic leaders in the country. Э

Blah blah.

"If I do not like the society in charge when I am arrested, I will demand the right to create a new society, which will approve of all of my actions."

195 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:13:30pm

re: #145 ggt

I was just visualizing Europe. The countries are similar shape and size to to the States.

I can't image each and every state having vastly different culture & language.

I don't think I can really understand what is going on over there.

It would be like saying: "All those Texans don't belong here in Illinois, we should deport them back. Don't want them talking to our daughters."

196 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:13:49pm

re: #163 Gus 802

@EricBoehlert Eric Boehlert
hey RW, just stop...; RT @mmfa .@RedState blog ties Norway bombing tragedy to pro-choice movement, [Link: t.co...] #p2 #tcot

The full post:

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

197 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:14:13pm

re: #194 SanFranciscoZionist

"If I do not like the society in charge when I am arrested, I will demand the right to create a new society, which will approve of all of my actions."

Delusions of Tyranny?

198 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:14:26pm

re: #47 Dreggas

And on cue Glenn Beck goes Godwin, compares Norwegian campers to Hitler Youth

Glenn Beck can rot in hell, and the good part is, he may someday.

199 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:14:53pm

re: #48 Gus 802

OMG. He's managed to steep to a new low. I didn't think it was possible.

This scares the shit out of me. These people are stepping up to defend this madman's world view.

200 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:14:57pm

re: #194 SanFranciscoZionist

"If I do not like the society in charge when I am arrested, I will demand the right to create a new society, which will approve of all of my actions."

Thus spake the Justiciar Knight!

201 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:15:05pm

re: #196 Lidane

The comments are full of abject fail, which is par for the course on RedState.

202 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:15:53pm

re: #56 Shiplord Kirel

What a bastard. I might point out as well that our WW2 predecessors would never have stooped so low as to willfully massacre a camp full of unarmed Hitler youth. Anyone who did would have swung from the gallows.

Damn skippy.

203 makeitstop  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:16:08pm

re: #197 ggt

Delusions of Tyranny?

In his manifesto, he goes on at length about 'explaining to God' how his ideas were the right ones.

Delusions of superiority, more like.

204 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:16:08pm

re: #194 SanFranciscoZionist

"If I do not like the society in charge when I am arrested, I will demand the right to create a new society, which will approve of all of my actions."

"I have a right to be tried by my peers, and my peers are pricks."

205 jaunte  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:16:24pm

re: #200 Gus 802

Thus spake the Justiciar Knight!

Sieur De La Solipsisme.

206 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:16:31pm

re: #196 Lidane

The full post:

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

What an idiot. Breivik killed children therefore he is not a pro-lifer? Ergo that makes him a pro-choicer? Morons.

207 Bulworth  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:16:46pm

So, what I've learned from the RW today:

1) Yes, the Norway killer's worldview is just like the RW's worldview.

2) How dare you suggest that the Norway killer was inspired by the RW?

208 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:17:04pm

re: #193 ggt

black fetuses if it will help get them votes.

The only entities deserving of "rights" are fetuses, and on-paper corporate beings. Oh yeah, and states.

A part of me really does hope Obama smacks them in the back of the neck with the 14th Amendment on the debt ceiling. Just to watch them seethe some more.

209 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:17:24pm

re: #181 ggt

These people only had the idea of allowing the communities to be there, never flourish or truly become part of their nations.

They did very little to help alleviate the fact that these groups were poorer that the rest of their nation (whichever it is) at large, which is a starting point for many problems.

There are some good countries in Europe. Ironically, Norway is one. Another is Sweden, though to a lesser extent. Ireland is surprisingly well integrated, as well as Finland and Poland.

210 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:18:10pm

re: #209 ProLifeLiberal

These people only had the idea of allowing the communities to be there, never flourish or truly become part of their nations.

They did very little to help alleviate the fact that these groups were poorer that the rest of their nation (whichever it is) at large, which is a starting point for many problems.

There are some good countries in Europe. Ironically, Norway is one. Another is Sweden, though to a lesser extent. Ireland is surprisingly well integrated, as well as Finland and Poland.

Well, you know, the Irish will drink with anyone.

;0

211 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:18:47pm

re: #195 ggt

Some Americans to that.

My dad, for example despises Texans, and doesn't want me or my sister to marry one. Although he says that about alot of groups.

212 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:18:55pm

re: #203 makeitstop

In his manifesto, he goes on at length about 'explaining to God' how his ideas were the right ones.

Delusions of superiority, more like.

How about just Delusional.

213 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:19:10pm

re: #65 Lidane

Of course they are. They agree with him and his ideas. They just don't like the fact that he killed a bunch of white kids.

If he'd gone after brown people and Muslims, they wouldn't give a shit.

I don't think they do give a shit, except about how their reputations may suffer.

They don't care that children are dead.

214 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:19:25pm

re: #211 ProLifeLiberal

Some Americans to that.

My dad, for example despises Texans, and doesn't want me or my sister to marry one. Although he says that about alot of groups.

Ah geez, it's everywhere.

damn.

215 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:20:33pm

re: #206 Gus 802

What an idiot. Breivik killed children therefore he is not a pro-lifer? Ergo that makes him a pro-choicer? Morons.

Well, duh. If he's not pro-life, he's clearly pro-choice!

///

216 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:20:36pm

re: #203 makeitstop

In his manifesto, he goes on at length about 'explaining to God' how his ideas were the right ones.

Delusions of superiority, more like.

"explaining to G-d".

Yep, rubber room, throw away the key.

217 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:21:39pm

re: #206 Gus 802

What an idiot. Breivik killed children therefore he is not a pro-lifer? Ergo that makes him a pro-choicer? Morons.

Of course I'm not saying Breivik is a "pro lifer" with this either. Red State. Not worth the bandwidth.

218 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:22:06pm

re: #77 Bulworth

We've travelled pretty far already since Friday from "What a tragedy! We must redouble our efforts against radical Islam" to "Oh well, they were liberal camper kids in a liberal country..."

Even on Friday, one of the first responses I got by e-mail was a guy essentially gloating that Norway had been hit--maybe now they'd get their act together and stop allowing Muslim immigration.

He thought it was a jihadi then, he was still gloating.

I'm having a really hard time with this.

219 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:22:26pm

re: #141 avanti

Pam's not liking this link

"Christian Terrorism
If Muslims are responsible for Islamic terrorism, are Muslim-bashers responsible for the massacre in Norway?"

Slate.

I think that one came across The Twitter via lawhawk or thanos.

220 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:22:28pm

re: #209 ProLifeLiberal

Looking at these nations, I notice that most of them are not tied to Mainland Europe tightly (Norway, Sweden, and Finland are more tied with each other), have been neglected by the mainland (Ireland), or have been badly treated by the Mainland (Poland).

I find it interesting, but can't put a hypothesis to words. GGT, help me.

221 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:22:45pm

re: #78 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'll throw this out once again.

The politics of the camp and Norway don't enter into the argument.

The guy dressed like a cop, stalked and killed children with no real chance of escape for an hour and a half.

End of story. Period. Full stop.

Anyone who attempts to argue otherwise is fucking insane.

They're sane.

They're also evil.

This is what it looks like up close.

222 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:23:40pm
223 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:23:45pm

re: #84 Lidane

Well, true.

It's been very revealing to see the far right reaction to a white, blue-eyed blond terrorist mowing down scores of white kids as part of a master plan that they've pretty much been advocating for the last ten years.

Well, at least they're not racists--they'll sacrifice white children to their cause as quickly as any other children.

///This is terrifying.

224 makeitstop  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:24:25pm

re: #212 ggt

How about just Delusional.

Done and done.

225 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:25:18pm

re: #93 Lawrence Schmerel

It is an interesting picture of the demonstrators in Oslo. I was looking at it at first expecting to see a very diverse looking crowd. Interestingly, they are mostly European looking folks. I don't see very many of those foreigner's Beivic hated so much.

Most Norwegians are ethnic Norwegian. It's not nearly as diverse a place as most of Europe.

226 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:25:29pm

re: #56 Shiplord Kirel

What a bastard. I might point out as well that our WW2 predecessors would never have stooped so low as to willfully massacre a camp full of unarmed Hitler youth. Anyone who did would have swung from the gallows.

All the more disgusting when you consider that Glen is glossing over the way kids were coerced into joining Hitler Youth--membership became mandatory in WWII--and the way they were put into dangerous support roles at the end of the war. To say nothing of Volksturm.

It's gutter level blame-throwing to paint these kids as indoctrinated radicals, or to suggest that the group running the camp were somehow on par with Nazis.

227 allegro  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:26:07pm

re: #210 ggt

Well, you know, the Irish will drink with anyone.

;0

*hic*

228 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:26:12pm

I have to do some traveling today so I'll be out for a little while. Play nice, and no bickering, you kids!

229 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:26:33pm

re: #103 avanti

Pam's feet are getting a bit warm. New thread on her hate site:

Medea Assassins

"Needless to say, I have been fielding calls from an agenda-driven media hellbent on destroying the freedom-loving voices on the right with the acts of a lone psychopath. NBC Nightly News is calling (that's a first). And Robert Spencer is besieged with media requests. NY Times, "Killings in Norway Spotlight Anti-Muslim Thought in U.S."

Instead of mourning the 91 victims of this horrible tragedy, the media is wielding it like a club to bludgeon the voices of freedom."

Pam can...

Never mind. I like it here too much to try Charles' patience today.

230 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:26:35pm

re: #211 ProLifeLiberal

Some Americans to that.

My dad, for example despises Texans, and doesn't want me or my sister to marry one. Although he says that about alot of groups.

My daughter married a Texan. I had no objection. However, my daughter complains that her mother-in-law is a bitch.

231 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:27:03pm

re: #108 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Police Lower Death Toll in Norway Attacks to 76

That's something.

232 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:27:04pm

re: #223 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, at least they're not racists--they'll sacrifice white children to their cause as quickly as any other children.

///This is terrifying.

Correction-- they'll sacrifice liberal white children.

If these kids had been at a conservative camp, they might just be outraged.

233 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:28:40pm

re: #229 SanFranciscoZionist

Can you help me with trying to explain the relationship in a previous post?

I'm having a mental block.

234 makeitstop  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:29:42pm
Medea Assassins

Dr. Freud, white courtesy phone. Dr. Freud...

235 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:30:33pm

re: #179 ggt

WEll, that is a rather coherent interview.

I think I'd be a blithering idiot if I were in his shoes.

I read this morning that he lost touch with Breivik when the kid was in his teens.

Still, yes, I would be gibbering at shadows.

236 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:31:54pm

re: #220 ProLifeLiberal

Looking at these nations, I notice that most of them are not tied to Mainland Europe tightly (Norway, Sweden, and Finland are more tied with each other), have been neglected by the mainland (Ireland), or have been badly treated by the Mainland (Poland).

I find it interesting, but can't put a hypothesis to words. GGT, help me.

Outsiders find something in common?

237 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:32:58pm

re: #236 ggt

I think that's what I mean.

Thank You.

Mental Block is not my friend.

238 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:33:51pm

re: #235 SanFranciscoZionist

I read this morning that he lost touch with Breivik when the kid was in his teens.

Still, yes, I would be gibbering at shadows.

I think most people would.

How do you react rationally when you find out that your son just mowed down scores of kids, then said it was part of some incoherent master plan to jump start a new set of Crusades?

239 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:34:06pm

re: #84 Lidane

Well, true.

It's been very revealing to see the far right reaction to a white, blue-eyed blond terrorist mowing down scores of white kids as part of a master plan that they've pretty much been advocating for the last ten years.

I don't agree. Nonwhite people are not shocked by this, or the rwnj reaction to the type of person they cast as a victim of minorities, once again being the perp.

Against his own kind.

White on white crime is nothing new in the world -- it's only new to those in denial.

240 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:35:03pm

re: #237 ProLifeLiberal

I think that's what I mean.

Thank You.

Mental Block is not my friend.

I could probably word it better, but that's the gist of it.

Anyway, I have to go for a while.

Have a great afternoon all!

242 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:35:35pm

re: #238 Lidane

I think most people would.

How do you react rationally when you find out that your son just mowed down scores of kids, then said it was part of some incoherent master plan to jump start a new set of Crusades?

Let's just hope they are the exception and are capable of self-reflection, instead of blaming all others for their son's condition.

243 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:36:45pm

re: #239 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

White on white crime is nothing new in the world -- it's only new to those in denial.

That's the point. It's watching their denial that has been so interesting.

When the attacker was supposedly a Muslim radical, they were on safe ground. When he was revealed to be a blue-eyed blond white guy who parroted and even admired all of the things they've been screeching for years, then suddenly they went into freakout mode.

He's turned their entire narrative on its head, and he's shown exactly what they've been advocating for years.

244 simoom  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:37:09pm

'Sounds like the House GOP has settled on passing their new plan (short term extension of the debt limit, $1T in initial cuts, a new super congress / small group of equal numbers of Rs and Ds that can bring legislation to a vote that can't be amended or filibustered by the regular congress, and guaranteed votes in the House and Senate on their uber-RW-edit of the old Balanced Budget Amendment). The idea is if you pass that on Wed. and have the Senate GOP filibuster Reid's $2.7T in cuts + long term debt ceiling extension, you'll be left with the House GOP bill as the only bill standing and they'll be completely out of time. Media, lobbying and simply-not-wanting-American-default-on-their-watch will then pressure the Dems to accept the only path forward.

Tactically, I suppose, one way out of this box for the Dem side might be to start arguing that as a matter of fairness they'll allow a Senate vote on the GOP bill only if the GOP allows a Senate / House vote on the Reid plan.

245 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:38:18pm

re: #241 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Perry Partners With Founder of Seven Mountains Dominionism For Prayer Rally

A feast for opposition research, Dems and rival Pubs alike.

246 darthstar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:39:22pm

re: #230 Alouette

My daughter married a Texan. I had no objection. However, my daughter complains that her mother-in-law is a bitch.

Isn't that the rule? She did, after all, steal the woman's son.
///
My mother hated her mother-in-law. My first wife hated my mother. My wife now understands her idiosyncrasies better and accepts them at face value and doesn't get upset by my mother's demands - nor does she give in to them when they're overbearing - she just keeps a balance and rolls with the small things.

Incidentally...have you met the mother-in-law? Sometimes seeing the parents together can go a long way toward mending fences - or it can end up digging a moat filled with alligators and sharks with lasers on their heads.

247 Kragar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:39:55pm

The Love Blog isn't going to love this:

Breivik's Demographic Warfare and the American Right's Demographic Winter


In my previous post, I noted how Anders Breivik's "demographic warfare" appears to be informed by the American Christian right's hysteria over "demographic winter," citing the work of Kathryn Joyce.

A closer examination reveals another shared belief: the significance of the 1683 Battle of Vienna.
...
The Howard Center and the WCF see themselves as culture warriors against liberalism broadly and the sexual revolution more specifically, protecting America (and the world, for that matter) from forces that would undermine its numbers and its might. For a specific example here at home, the Howard Center has decried family planning, including federal funding for contraception under Title X (which has been under attack by the Republican Party under the guise of "defunding Planned Parenthood) as "the U.S. war on American fertility."

Obviously the WCF isn't advocating massacring people. But "saving Europe again" by evoking the Battle of Vienna is a theme that became the frame for Breivik's manifesto, triggered by the same paranoia that anti-Christian forces seek domination over the continent.

248 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:40:26pm

re: #244 simoom

This Super Congress idea really ticks me off.

249 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:40:43pm

re: #244 simoom

That's the same exact kind of bill they've been opposing for weeks. NOW they want a short-term debt limit extension? Pfft.

250 Kragar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:40:58pm

re: #245 Shiplord Kirel

A feast for opposition research, Dems and rival Pubs alike.

I've got a problem with anyone hired to do a job deciding to say "Fuck it, lets ask the Sky Spirits to do it for us."

251 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:41:08pm

re: #243 Lidane

That's the point. It's watching their denial that has been so interesting.

When the attacker was supposedly a Muslim radical, they were on safe ground. When he was revealed to be a blue-eyed blond white guy who parroted and even admired all of the things they've been screeching for years, then suddenly they went into freakout mode.

He's turned their entire narrative on its head, and he's shown exactly what they've been advocating for years.

He's only this generation's version. So is the denial. The only thing new about these people is the use of the internet and slight tweaks in the rhetoric. Otherwise...same old bigots, different millennium.

252 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:41:11pm
Medea assassins

Medea assassins have their work cut out for them; that lady could throw down, *and* she had a chariots driven by dragons.

253 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:41:42pm

re: #149 Lidane

Neither of my Cat Overlords have been in a couple of years. Between school, the lack of funds, and the fact that they're both strictly indoor cats, I haven't taken them.

I need to, though. I want to get them groomed but they need current shots first.

Ugh, it's been an incredibly shitty weekend.

First and foremost, the Norway attack.

Second, Amy W dying which really upset me.

Thirdly, we had to put one of the kitties down. He had a blockage in his colon and we couldn't fix it. His bowels basically shut down. I blame myself because he was straining and I should have taken him in sooner. We have 4 pussies left now.

He's the black one, Bossy. That's his brother, Peewee, behind him. He was such a cute kitten when we found him. Just a big ball of black fluff with blue eyes :(

Bossy Kitty

254 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:42:46pm

re: #253 marjoriemoon

Sorry to hear that.

255 Bulworth  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:43:03pm

re: #253 marjoriemoon

Ugh, it's been an incredibly shitty weekend.

First and foremost, the Norway attack.

Second, Amy W dying which really upset me.

Thirdly, we had to put one of the kitties down. He had a blockage in his colon and we couldn't fix it. His bowels basically shut down. I blame myself because he was straining and I should have taken him in sooner. We have 4 pussies left now.

He's the black one, Bossy. That's his brother, Peewee, behind him. He was such a cute kitten when we found him. Just a big ball of black fluff with blue eyes :(

Bossy Kitty

Very sorry to hear of your loss.

I am the proud parent of five cats.

256 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:43:41pm

re: #244 simoom

What nonsense the GOP is pulling. Wahhhh, we're in the minority! Change the entire system to benefit us!
WAHHHH!

257 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:45:25pm

re: #247 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Love Blog isn't going to love this:

Breivik's Demographic Warfare and the American Right's Demographic Winter

Hey Kragar, did you see jaunte's link to Chip Berlet's piece? Similar stuff. [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I love Sarah Posner. Smart lady.

258 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:46:05pm

Firefox and Google Chrome user devs have been busy:

Web Browser Add-Ons Let Users Block News Corp-Owned Websites

259 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:46:18pm

re: #256 Varek Raith

What nonsense the GOP is pulling. Wahhh, we're in the minority! Change the entire system to benefit us!
WAHHH!

Manifesto, p. 669
"The most pragmatical way to move forward is to play the victim card in combination with cruel methods of armed resistance."

260 makeitstop  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:46:23pm

re: #253 marjoriemoon

My sympathies. We have three cats here, and one of them is advancing quickly into old age.

For as much amusement and companionship as they give, I'm always nagged by a vague sense of heartbreak, knowing that their time with us is bound to be too short, regardless of how long they live.

261 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:47:00pm

re: #254 Killgore Trout

re: #255 Bulworth

Thanks. I'm getting used to it at this point. We have 3 others buried in the backyard along with a dead raccoon and a possum (no they weren't pets).

262 simoom  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:47:10pm

re: #256 Varek Raith

What nonsense the GOP is pulling. Wahhh, we're in the minority! Change the entire system to benefit us ...

"... or the country gets it!"

263 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:49:17pm

Fox Nation top story: Is Obama a Pathological Liar?

264 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:50:40pm

re: #253 marjoriemoon

Sorry for the loss. :(

I had to put down one of my cats six years ago. She had started favoring one side of her mouth when she ate and was drooling like a fountain, so I took her to the vet.

Turned out she had an oral cancer that had metastasized by the time it had become an obvious problem. She'd gone to the vet regularly, but it probably started off so small that the doctors missed it. By the time it was diagnosed it was too late. I chose to spare her the surgery, which would have removed part of her jaw and put her on a feeding tube. I just got medication to make her last weeks better and took her home.

The morning I put her down, I'd found her in the dryer in a pool of blood. It was horrible. I immediately took her to the vet and had her misery ended. It was one of the hardest things I've had to do. I was inconsolable for ages.

265 Bulworth  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:50:56pm

re: #263 Killgore Trout

Fox Nation top story: Is Obama a Pathological Liar?

How very fair and balanced of them. //

266 darthstar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:51:07pm

re: #263 Killgore Trout

Fox Nation top story: Is Obama a Pathological Liar?

Fortunately, they only reach a small percentage of the populace, and one which is largely under-educated and given to believing such bullshit anyway.

Best not to share their shit any wider than they already spread it.

267 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:51:17pm

re: #260 makeitstop

My sympathies. We have three cats here, and one of them is advancing quickly into old age.

For as much amusement and companionship as they give, I'm always nagged by a vague sense of heartbreak, knowing that their time with us is bound to be too short, regardless of how long they live.

The first was the hardest to let go. She lived to 18. The second to 19 or 20. Kidney failure, both, which is common.

We have 1 outside kitty that I can't bring in because she'd fight with my alpha male. I'm mostly afraid she'll get hit by a car, but when we got her, we had 6 in the house already and that was too many so we hope for the best.

Anyway, yes, they're a blessing when you have them, is true.

268 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:53:48pm

re: #253 marjoriemoon

Ugh, it's been an incredibly shitty weekend.

First and foremost, the Norway attack.

Second, Amy W dying which really upset me.

Thirdly, we had to put one of the kitties down. He had a blockage in his colon and we couldn't fix it. His bowels basically shut down. I blame myself because he was straining and I should have taken him in sooner. We have 4 pussies left now.

He's the black one, Bossy. That's his brother, Peewee, behind him. He was such a cute kitten when we found him. Just a big ball of black fluff with blue eyes :(

Bossy Kitty

Sorry to hear about Bossy Kitty. I don't know what I'll do when it's the Fluffy Buddy's time. She's sitting here, licking the paper from an item from some on-sale mini cupcakes.

Ok, now she's not, anymore. Giving herself a bath. Lol she is so ridiculous.

269 Bulworth  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:54:06pm

re: #264 Lidane

Sorry for the loss. :(

I had to put down one of my cats six years ago. She had started favoring one side of her mouth when she ate and was drooling like a fountain, so I took her to the vet.

Turned out she had an oral cancer that had metastasized by the time it had become an obvious problem. She'd gone to the vet regularly, but it probably started off so small that the doctors missed it. By the time it was diagnosed it was too late. I chose to spare her the surgery, which would have removed part of her jaw and put her on a feeding tube. I just got medication to make her last weeks better and took her home.

The morning I put her down, I'd found her in the dryer in a pool of blood. It was horrible. I immediately took her to the vet and had her misery ended. It was one of the hardest things I've had to do. I was inconsolable for ages.

Wow, yeah I can identify with the heart-break of losing a furry friend. Two of mine (sisters) died last year (only 10 years old). This year I had one get out of the house. He's been AWOL for two months, which has been very distressing.

Yes, kidney disease is a quick and lethal killer for cats. It seemingly can develop almost overnight, and by the time you realize it, it's too late.

But I can't live without them.

270 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:54:20pm

re: #253 marjoriemoon

Ugh, it's been an incredibly shitty weekend.

First and foremost, the Norway attack.

Second, Amy W dying which really upset me.

Thirdly, we had to put one of the kitties down. He had a blockage in his colon and we couldn't fix it. His bowels basically shut down. I blame myself because he was straining and I should have taken him in sooner. We have 4 pussies left now.

He's the black one, Bossy. That's his brother, Peewee, behind him. He was such a cute kitten when we found him. Just a big ball of black fluff with blue eyes :(

Bossy Kitty

:(
Sorry to hear that. My kitty, who I had for half my life, died in January.
She was almost 14.
:(

271 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:55:05pm

re: #264 Lidane

Sorry for the loss. :(

I had to put down one of my cats six years ago. She had started favoring one side of her mouth when she ate and was drooling like a fountain, so I took her to the vet.

Turned out she had an oral cancer that had metastasized by the time it had become an obvious problem. She'd gone to the vet regularly, but it probably started off so small that the doctors missed it. By the time it was diagnosed it was too late. I chose to spare her the surgery, which would have removed part of her jaw and put her on a feeding tube. I just got medication to make her last weeks better and took her home.

The morning I put her down, I'd found her in the dryer in a pool of blood. It was horrible. I immediately took her to the vet and had her misery ended. It was one of the hardest things I've had to do. I was inconsolable for ages.

Oh my!! What a horrible story! Poor Lidane! Poor Kitty!

I think I actually collapsed when they told me my first kitty's kidneys were failing. But they gave her B12 shots for 4 years and she did pretty well until she just gave out.

My favorite cat, Macho, had a lot of teeth problems, but not cancer. Boy, you never think of that do you?? So awful.

272 darthstar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:55:54pm

Sarah Palin's movie is making big bucks! (If you're in a 70s TV game show)

With its Sarah Palin documentary "The Undefeated" increasing its playdates by 40 percent this weekend, only to watch box office revenue decline by more than 63 percent, distributor Arc Entertainment announced Sunday that the film will soon be available on pay per view.

The movie played in 14 Tea Party-friendly locations this weekend -- up from the 10 in which it opened last week -- but grossed just $24,000

273 Bulworth  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:59:04pm
The [Sarah Palin] movie played in 14 Tea Party-friendly locations this weekend -- up from the 10 in which it opened last week -- but grossed just $24,000

Good gawd, that much? That money could have gone to much worthier endeavors.

274 makeitstop  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:59:27pm

re: #267 marjoriemoon

Anyway, yes, they're a blessing when you have them, is true.

They have no idea how capable they are of pulling me out of a bad mood just by being their goofy, quirky selves.

Our oldest cat has nearly checked out twice already - first from a urinary tract blockage, and then lapsing into diabetic shock nearly five years ago. At that time, we were expecting a lifetime of sticking our cat with a needle twice a day for the rest of his life - but somehow as he recovered the diabetes went away and never returned.

He's a tough old boy, but every so often I look at him and he looks every day of his age (nearly 15). It makes me sad and I hug him harder, and he scratches my arms to get away from the Cloying Human.

I love that cat.

275 Buck  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 12:59:29pm

Islamophobia manifested in Oslo
ABC Online

Sergey Romanov, a blogger at Little Green Footballs (a site that has broken with the Islamophobic right precisely because of its increasingly violent rhetoric), has posted (scroll down) a word cloud based on Breivik's writings. The most-used terms are 'cultural', 'conservative' and 'multiculturalism'.

Romanov describes how Breivik harbours "resentment against the mainstream media for pushing a culturally Marxist agenda and covering up Muslim wrong-doing and the negative effects of mass immigration and multiculturalism in Europe generally … he felt that the politically correct agenda was completely unchallenged by the mainstream press".

276 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:01:50pm

re: #268 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Sorry to hear about Bossy Kitty. I don't know what I'll do when it's the Fluffy Buddy's time. She's sitting here, licking the paper from an item from some on-sale mini cupcakes.

Ok, now she's not, anymore. Giving herself a bath. Lol she is so ridiculous.

hehe I love cats. I didn't have any when I was a kid. Just dogs (we have one of those too). I didn't think I'd like them but wanted company when I was renting so I got Boo-Boo and then Yogi. Yea, I know... and they were a God send really. It's all worth it.

When Bossy was little, he'd walk around swatting at all the big cats. He really had guts and why we called him "Bossy".

PeeWee was so teeny tiny and now he's the biggest we have. He also scares us. He doesn't "meow". He YOWLS loudly, is solid muscle and still quite feral.

277 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:03:47pm

re: #275 Buck

Romanov, you're famous!!!

278 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:03:48pm

re: #274 makeitstop

They have no idea how capable they are of pulling me out of a bad mood just by being their goofy, quirky selves.

Our oldest cat has nearly checked out twice already - first from a urinary tract blockage, and then lapsing into diabetic shock nearly five years ago. At that time, we were expecting a lifetime of sticking our cat with a needle twice a day for the rest of his life - but somehow as he recovered the diabetes went away and never returned.

He's a tough old boy, but every so often I look at him and he looks every day of his age (nearly 15). It makes me sad and I hug him harder, and he scratches my arms to get away from the Cloying Human.

I love that cat.

LET ME LOVE YOU!!!!

I know what that is LOL

279 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:05:50pm

re: #270 Varek Raith

:(
Sorry to hear that. My kitty, who I had for half my life, died in January.
She was almost 14.
:(

Did you get another? You need another. 2 actually to keep each other company.

280 darthstar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:06:07pm

re: #273 Bulworth

Good gawd, that much? That money could have gone to much worthier endeavors.

It's probably more than it will get on pay per view.

281 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:06:17pm

re: #161 Alouette

Shit.

HuH has different bloggers of varying views, so maybe some semi-liberal section of EDL (and LGBT section is bound to be more liberal than the rest, IMHO) like what some of the bloggers like to say. I don't take this seriously at all. HuH is a good blog.

282 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:06:23pm

re: #274 makeitstop

They have no idea how capable they are of pulling me out of a bad mood just by being their goofy, quirky selves.

Our oldest cat has nearly checked out twice already - first from a urinary tract blockage, and then lapsing into diabetic shock nearly five years ago. At that time, we were expecting a lifetime of sticking our cat with a needle twice a day for the rest of his life - but somehow as he recovered the diabetes went away and never returned.

He's a tough old boy, but every so often I look at him and he looks every day of his age (nearly 15). It makes me sad and I hug him harder, and he scratches my arms to get away from the Cloying Human.

I love that cat.

Harassing Fluffy Buddy is so hilarious. Sometimes, I annoy her with maudlin crap like asking "are you....?" and kissing her forehead after every question.

Are you silly?

Are you fluffy?

Are you cute?

Are you funny?

I get a lot of my barely-tolerant attitude from her lol

283 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:06:45pm

re: #277 ProLifeLiberal

LOL.

284 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:07:28pm

re: #279 marjoriemoon

Did you get another? You need another. 2 actually to keep each other company.

Yes, I have others.
One that likes to knock over expensive electronics and another who thinks it's just hilarious to know over full cups of milk, water, coffee, you name it.
:)

285 darthstar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:08:41pm

re: #283 Sergey Romanov

LOL.

It's better than getting your name in the phone book...

286 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:09:31pm

Ack. In that first page for some reason the blockquote was broken, so that ABC guy ascribes to me a part of what I just quoted.

287 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:11:09pm

re: #277 ProLifeLiberal

Romanov, you're famous!!!

That's just a blog.

288 makeitstop  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:11:40pm

re: #284 Varek Raith

Yes, I have others.
One that likes to knock over expensive electronics and another who thinks it's just hilarious to know over full cups of milk, water, coffee, you name it.
:)

All of ours love knocking stuff off of tables. Phones, glasses, jewelry. They just knock whatever it is off, then sit there and act all self-satisfied.

Whatever makes them happy, I guess. On Saturday, the oldest knocked my sunglasses off the table. I put them back.

He knocked them off again. I put them back.

He knocked them off again. I moved them to a kitty-proof shelf.

He showed his displeasure by cleaning his, umm, area. Lucky for us the shades weren't on the dining room table.

289 What, me worry?  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:11:45pm

re: #284 Varek Raith

Yes, I have others.
One that likes to knock over expensive electronics and another who thinks it's just hilarious to know over full cups of milk, water, coffee, you name it.
:)

OMG, my g/f had a cat like that! The bigger the crash, the better!!

Anyway, got to jet. Thanks for the "ear" or the computer whichever. It helps to vent.

290 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:14:53pm

re: #286 Sergey Romanov

You might want to notify him of that.

291 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:15:37pm

re: #271 marjoriemoon

Oh my!! What a horrible story! Poor Lidane! Poor Kitty!

I think I actually collapsed when they told me my first kitty's kidneys were failing. But they gave her B12 shots for 4 years and she did pretty well until she just gave out.

My favorite cat, Macho, had a lot of teeth problems, but not cancer. Boy, you never think of that do you?? So awful.

The cancer caught me completely by surprise. And her decline was fast. Between the diagnosis and her death I think maybe just over a month went by? I don't remember. It was fast.

OTOH, I'd had her for 13 years at that point, and she was already fully grown when I adopted her from a friend of a friend, so she'd lived a long life. And despite all the vets trying to get her to lose weight, she cheerfully ignored all my efforts at making her a less tubby kitty. She was fat and happy and had a good life overall, even if the cancer at the end sucked.

I still miss her, but I have two cats now that keep me busy.

292 S'latch  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:17:35pm

Breivik said he had help from two cells of extremists.

I have a feeling he is lying about that.

293 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:17:46pm

re: #290 ProLifeLiberal

You might want to notify him of that.

I left a comment, but did not find a way to contact him otherwise.

294 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:18:03pm

re: #105 jaunte

Medea Assassins

When Greeks Attack.

It is an interesting typo though, as in many accounts Medea killed her children.

295 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:19:50pm

re: #281 Sergey Romanov

HuH has different bloggers of varying views, so maybe some semi-liberal section of EDL (and LGBT section is bound to be more liberal than the rest, IMHO) like what some of the bloggers like to say. I don't take this seriously at all. HuH is a good blog.

Shouldn't presume that about them - they are fully invested in the EDL ideology, or are at least intent on recruiting the more dumb, gullible gays to that end. Imo, they are the mirror image of the types falling for BDS recruitment, also bubbling up in LGBT politics right now.

There are plenty of bigoted rwnj gays, such as Michael Lucas of The Advocate, probably the most mainstream gay publication ever; and GOProud (which has Breitbart and worse as Advisory Council members.)

EDL LGBT Division is right in that pocket but even further to the right.

You should check their FB presence and the other people they favorably link to. Both the anti-Muslim con bigots and BDS moonbat crowd recognize LGBT politics, just like both recognize the perceived advantage of having Black people being their spokespersons. It's all tokenism, and symbolic value.

296 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:21:41pm

re: #253 marjoriemoon

sorry to hear about your kitteh. I know I'd be a wreck if anything happened to either one of mine. They are like my kids and raised both of them from when they were babies, both rescues.

297 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:22:28pm

re: #295 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

OK, maybe you're right re: "more liberal", but I would need concrete examples from HuH. Until then this "endorsement" means nothing to me.

298 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:23:22pm

re: #292 Lawrence Schmerel

It does square with his book, though. He might be lying in his book too, of course.

299 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:23:46pm

re: #275 Buck

Islamophobia manifested in Oslo
ABC Online

Nice find Buck. Thanks.

300 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:27:31pm

re: #299 Gus 802

Nice find Buck. Thanks.

Indeed.
You be famous, Sergey!
You should go to Disney World.

301 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:28:28pm

re: #300 Varek Raith

Indeed.
You be famous, Sergey!
You should go to Disney World.

I thought he was already famous.

//

302 darthstar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:28:42pm

Holy fuck...Glenn Beck equates Breivik's victims with "Hitler youth"...

BECK: And then there was a shooting at a political camp, which sounds a little like, you know, the Hitler youth or whatever. I mean, who does a camp for kids that's all about politics? Disturbing.

303 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:28:56pm

re: #301 Gus 802

I thought he was already famous.

//

In Soviet Russia Fame Find You!

304 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:29:34pm

re: #302 darthstar

Holy fuck...Glenn Beck equates Breivik's victims with "Hitler youth"...

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

Wow.
Hey Beck?
What do you think of the TeaParty camp for kids?
Hmmm????

305 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:29:37pm

I've been cleaning up Yuppie Neighbor's paint chips today. I decided to clean up the paint chips on his side too because I suspect his idea of "clean up" is going to be power washing the chips under the fence and into my garden. When I went over to his side of the fence I was shocked. His front yard covered with a think layer of 40 year old paint chip mulch. Luckily most of my garden is protected by a 3-4 foot deep solid plastic root barrier. This has to be the dumbest thing I've seen a neighbor do. Just shocking.

306 darthstar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:29:38pm

re: #302 darthstar

Holy fuck...Glenn Beck equates Breivik's victims with "Hitler youth"...

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

By the way, the Tea Party has a political camp for kids...

307 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:30:36pm

re: #297 Sergey Romanov

OK, maybe you're right re: "more liberal", but I would need concrete examples from HuH. Until then this "endorsement" means nothing to me.

But it doesn't matter if the endorsement means anything to you or not. They do link to them favorably, on the same level as Geller, GoV, etc. It's an uncomfortable fact, but facts are often uncomfortable.

Check the EDL LGBT Division FB page yourself for their concrete examples, don't take my word for it. Link is at Alouette's latest page about ABB.

308 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:30:39pm

re: #302 darthstar

yeah mentioned that up thread. Total jackass.

309 makeitstop  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:30:45pm

re: #302 darthstar

Holy fuck...Glenn Beck equates Breivik's victims with "Hitler youth"...

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

Someone over at DKos pointed out that the 'Tea Party Camp' was organized by Beck's 912 Project.

Of course, Beck didn't mention that little detail.

310 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:31:40pm

re: #305 Killgore Trout

I've been cleaning up Yuppie Neighbor's paint chips today. I decided to clean up the paint chips on his side too because I suspect his idea of "clean up" is going to be power washing the chips under the fence and into my garden. When I went over to his side of the fence I was shocked. His front yard covered with a think layer of 40 year old paint chip mulch. Luckily most of my garden is protected by a 3-4 foot deep solid plastic root barrier. This has to be the dumbest thing I've seen a neighbor do. Just shocking.

Oy. People are dumb. My neighbor cut down a large tree some years ago. Fell right into his neighbor's yard. Lucky me.

311 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:32:29pm

re: #305 Killgore Trout

I've been cleaning up Yuppie Neighbor's paint chips today. I decided to clean up the paint chips on his side too because I suspect his idea of "clean up" is going to be power washing the chips under the fence and into my garden. When I went over to his side of the fence I was shocked. His front yard covered with a think layer of 40 year old paint chip mulch. Luckily most of my garden is protected by a 3-4 foot deep solid plastic root barrier. This has to be the dumbest thing I've seen a neighbor do. Just shocking.

I'd take a sample and test it.

312 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:32:46pm

re: #309 makeitstop

Someone over at DKos pointed out that the 'Tea Party Camp' was organized by Beck's 912 Project.

Of course, Beck didn't mention that little detail.

I thought it was called the Boy Scouts?

//

313 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:33:00pm

re: #307 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

But it doesn't matter if the endorsement means anything to you or not.

Of course it does.

Check the EDL LGBT Division FB page yourself for their concrete examples, don't take my word for it.

Again, why should I do it? To form my opinion about HuH?

314 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:33:16pm

re: #312 Gus 802

I thought it was called the Boy Scouts?

//

Hey!
I was a Boy Scout!
Jerk.
/:P

315 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:33:54pm

re: #311 goddamnedfrank

Damn, I was just at the hardware store, I should have picked one up.

316 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:34:03pm

re: #300 Varek Raith

Indeed.
You be famous, Sergey!
You should go to Disney World.

Do I get to meet Donald Duck?

317 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:34:13pm

re: #314 Varek Raith

Hey!
I was a Boy Scout!
Jerk.
/:P

Some commie you are. The Committee will not be happy to hear this.

//

318 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:34:46pm

re: #305 Killgore Trout

When I went over to his side of the fence I was shocked. His front yard covered with a think layer of 40 year old paint chip mulch.

Test that for lead paint. Seriously.

319 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:34:55pm

Ok, I'm out to buy a test kit. It's going to bug me if I don't.

320 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:35:29pm

re: #319 Killgore Trout

Ok, I'm out to buy a test kit. It's going to bug me if I don't.

Go for it. If it has lead. Nail him.

321 blueraven  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:36:41pm

re: #302 darthstar

Holy fuck...Glenn Beck equates Breivik's victims with "Hitler youth"...

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

And then he goes on to blame the Islam for all of this.

322 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:37:07pm

Vacation story time!

Never thought I'd see bobcats down at the beach in NC. They loved digging in the trash. I thought they were just normal kittehs until I walked closer. My reaction? HOLYSHITIT'SALION!!!
:)

323 albusteve  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:37:25pm

re: #320 Gus 802

Go for it. If it has lead. Nail him.

tarps...$25
EPA Toxic Poison Clean up crew...$85,650

324 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:40:49pm

re: #313 Sergey Romanov

Of course it does.

Again, why should I do it? To form my opinion about HuH?

Do it or don't, doesn't matter. Fact remains, yes, the EDL LGBT Division FB page promotes HuH, for whatever their reasons. Take it up with them if you think they shouldn't. Only dog I have in the fight is the same level of recruitment they do in the LGBT community that the BDS crowd does.

To non-LGBTs this is all abstract and academic anyway, since it doesn't affect them.

325 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:45:08pm

re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist

amen.

326 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:45:27pm

re: #71 marjoriemoon

Well I imagine it's small yes? It just always disturbs me when minorities (Jews, Blacks, gay, whomever) turn bigot. I understand that bigotry is not reserved for white folk - isn't that's some irony - but I'm always shocked to see it.

As Ron White put it, you can't fix stupid.

327 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:46:39pm

re: #80 publicityStunted

Fixed. "Insane" (at least the legally recognized version) means unable to tell right from wrong. These people know exactly what they're doing.

Sociopathic would be a more fitting term for these shitheads.

328 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:46:51pm

re: #302 darthstar

Holy fuck...Glenn Beck equates Breivik's victims with "Hitler youth"...

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

Beck is no longer funny.

329 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:48:31pm

re: #328 SanFranciscoZionist

Beck is no longer funny.

He was never funny until Jon Stewart started pulling out the chalkboards.

330 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:49:19pm

re: #309 makeitstop

Someone over at DKos pointed out that the 'Tea Party Camp' was organized by Beck's 912 Project.

Of course, Beck didn't mention that little detail.

Because they are his Hitler youth.

331 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:49:42pm

re: #324 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Do it or don't, doesn't matter. Fact remains, yes, the EDL LGBT Division FB page promotes HuH, for whatever their reasons. Take it up with them if you think they shouldn't. Only dog I have in the fight is the same level of recruitment they do in the LGBT community that the BDS crowd does.

To non-LGBTs this is all abstract and academic anyway, since it doesn't affect them.

I don't know what their motivation is, but I do not consider HuH to be in the same class as any of the other blogs mentioned in this context. Maybe I haven't read there often enough to know, but it seems fine to me.

332 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:49:42pm

re: #321 blueraven

And then he goes on to blame the Islam for all of this.

MUSLIM OLIGARHY!

333 simoom  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:50:09pm

re: #248 ProLifeLiberal

This Super Congress idea really ticks me off.

The worst part of the idea is this:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

At the same time, a new 12-member committee evenly divided among Democrats and Republicans would be assigned the job of finding another $1.8 trillion in savings. The panel would have special privileges to bring legislation before the House and Senate and its proposal would not be subjected to amendment or Senate filibuster. If the plan passed, the president could seek another $1.6 trillion increase in the debt limit based on the new committee’s proposal.

So, the super-congress' legislation has the added weight of invoking the whole debt-ceiling blackmail situation all over again...

334 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:55:09pm

Gaming nerd note -- the music that the Norway shooter used in his video apparently comes from the MMO game Age of Conan:

[Link: www.mmorpg.com...]

Age of Conan is developed by Funcom, who are a Norwegian company. They can't possibly be happy about this if it's true.

335 Bulworth  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:55:42pm

re: #321 blueraven

And then he goes on to blame the Islam for all of this.

Of course. Makes perfect sense. ///

I hope the people who bought his crayon scribble books and went to his stupid rally are proud of themselves for enabling this crap.

336 makeitstop  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:55:47pm

Jay Carney tweets that the president will address the nation at 9:00.

I get the feeling that after Boehner rejected the Reid proposal (which would do everything the GOP wanted), Obama is going prime-time with the express purpose of tying this around the Republicans' necks once and for all.

337 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:57:03pm

re: #336 makeitstop

He was big on computer games. Writes that at 25 took a year off and played WoW.

338 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:57:05pm

re: #336 makeitstop

Man got a "bully pulpit"? Man should use the "bully pulpit".

339 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:57:22pm

re: #331 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know what their motivation is, but I do not consider HuH to be in the same class as any of the other blogs mentioned in this context. Maybe I haven't read there often enough to know, but it seems fine to me.

Well, it's partly a smear factor.

The dumb BDS bigots get to say see, EDL supports you. EDL gets to engage in their usual "libtards just hate Israel" crap when that happens.

As for HP, it's questionable Harry even has a clue about "EDL LGBT Divison" - honestly, what straights really give a damn about any of it? It's symbolic.

But the reason I even brought them up was to mention their utter silence in the past couple days about the Norway murders. They haven't said diddleysquat since Friday.

This was also the weekend that ALSO saw 1- the formal end of Don't Ask Don't tell, and 2- the first legal same sex marriages in New York. Without the recent gains within LGBT politics neither the BDS or EDL crowds would be trying so hard to recruit.

340 albusteve  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:57:31pm

re: #336 makeitstop

Jay Carney tweets that the president will address the nation at 9:00.

I get the feeling that after Boehner rejected the Reid proposal (which would do everything the GOP wanted), Obama is going prime-time with the express purpose of tying this around the Republicans' necks once and for all.

BO is out of the loop...he goes on TV to appear relevant

341 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:57:47pm

re: #336 makeitstop

I get the feeling that after Boehner rejected the Reid proposal (which would do everything the GOP wanted), Obama is going prime-time with the express purpose of tying this around the Republicans' necks once and for all.

Good. He should point out that the Reid plan gave the GOP everything they wanted and they STILL rejected it. Tie that shit around their necks like a goddamn anchor and let the GOP drown electorally if we default.

342 makeitstop  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 1:59:33pm

re: #340 albusteve

BO is out of the loop...he goes on TV to appear relevant

Sure thing, Steve.

343 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:00:02pm

re: #340 albusteve

BO is out of the loop...he goes on TV to appear relevant

The POTUS has to go on TV to be relevant? Since when?

344 simoom  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:00:16pm

re: #340 albusteve

BO is out of the loop...he goes on TV to appear relevant

Out of what loop? He, Pelosi and Reid are all pushing the same plan currently. Boehner and the House GOP are essentially negotiating with themselves.

345 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:00:34pm

I just had a realization. The manifesto of this evil bastard gave an endorsement of the Tea Party.

Can anyone guess what my line of thought is?

346 Bulworth  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:00:42pm

re: #333 simoom

The worst part of the idea is this:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]


So, the super-congress' legislation has the added weight of invoking the whole debt-ceiling blackmail situation all over again...

Because Congress, the media and the public should essentially exist in a state of budgetary paralysis, while occupying two middle eastern countries and while enduring a 9% unemployment rate. //

347 albusteve  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:02:54pm

hahaha!
the only people that will listen to him, or further, believe him is his own party....he's campaigning, and that's his right

348 allegro  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:02:54pm

re: #344 simoom

Out of what loop? He, Pelosi and Reid are all pushing the same plan currently. Boehner and the House GOP are essentially negotiating playing with themselves.

FTFY

349 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:02:56pm

re: #345 ProLifeLiberal

I just had a realization. The manifesto of this evil bastard gave an endorsement of the Tea Party.

Can anyone guess what my line of thought is?

That some Tea Party whackaloon will do the same thing should Obama win a second term?

350 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:04:07pm

re: #312 Gus 802

I thought it was called the Boy Scouts?

//

re: #314 Varek Raith

Hey!
I was a Boy Scout!
Jerk.
/:P

Unlike the 912 Project TP summer camp for "impressionable youts", at least the BSA is still a net positive for society IMO, though on the subjects of gays and atheists/agnostics in the membership, we still have some work to do.

*full disclosure: I have been in Scouting for almost 25 years, boy and man.

351 William of Orange  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:04:51pm

WILL THIS FUCKING SMUTFACE PLEASE SHUT UP??!!

Beck:

(...) and as the thing starts to unfold, and then there was a shooting at a political camp, which sound a little like, you know, the Hitler youth, I mean who does a political camp for kids all about politics.... Disturbing.

ComeagainWTFBBQSAYWHAT??!!

Beck! You hear something about a political camp and thing THAT'S disturbing??? I think it's very disturbing that the youth in America is less and less interesting in politics! For all we know there should be more political camps being organized to energize the youth and make them understand politics. How else would you make them aware that big money has been hi lacking the chamber and senate in the past years??

Beck! PLEASE! GET YOURSELF INSTITUTIONALIZED!!

352 William of Orange  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:06:08pm

Damn spelling control.... Punked me again.

353 Bulworth  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:06:52pm

re: #351 William of Orange

At least he isn't on TV anymore. That's something.

354 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:07:04pm

Thankfully, no lead.

355 Kragar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:08:19pm

Savage: Norway Terrorist Attacks A Left-Wing Conspiracy


Michael Savage and World Net Daily have already begun floating the conspiracy theory that this weekend’s massacre and bombing in Norway was a “cover-up.” The talk show host said on his radio show today that Muslims were responsible for the attacks in Norway, and in an interview with WND doubled down on his claims, saying that he now believes that the attacks were “likely a fabrication of the Labour Party,” whose youth retreat was specifically targeted by the right-wing terrorist. Savage went on to essentially echo the rhetoric of the accused terrorist, Andres Behring Breivik, blaming “Eurosocialism,” progressivism, multiculturalism and immigration for the attacks and hoping that they lead to a backlash against Muslims:
356 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:08:23pm

A walk down memory lane.....Norway attacks put spotlight on Europe's right-wing parties. Who are they?
They left out Vlaams Belang and the BNP.

357 albusteve  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:08:24pm

goofy product warnings...
[Link: www.womansday.com...]

358 simoom  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:08:25pm

[Link: twitter.com...]

@auctnr1
Billy Long

No one could reach #AmyWinehouse before it was too late. Can anyone reach Washington before it's too late? Both addicted - same fate???

4 hours ago via Mobile Web

Stay classy Rep. Long (R-Mo)...

359 Randall Gross  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:08:37pm

re: #334 Lidane

Gaming nerd note -- the music that the Norway shooter used in his video apparently comes from the MMO game Age of Conan:

[Link: www.mmorpg.com...]

Age of Conan is developed by Funcom, who are a Norwegian company. They can't possibly be happy about this if it's true.

Since he played WoW I'm waiting for Whirled Nuts Daily to do the story that Satanic D&D online gaming drove a Christian lad to terror...

360 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:08:51pm

re: #349 Lidane

Yes.

But also that, that this bastard's endorsement can be used to wreck the Tea Party in those states still having a massive number of Scandinavians, namely Minnesota, Wisconsin, North Dakota, and South Dakota.

This association needs to be pointed out.

361 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:09:44pm

re: #354 Killgore Trout

Thankfully, no lead.

Well that's good news. He's just a dumbass instead of a dumbass who might have gotten lead paint everywhere.

You should give him the receipt and tell him he owes you the money since he was too stupid to spend money on tarps before getting paint all over his yard.

362 Randall Gross  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:10:00pm

re: #351 William of Orange

WILL THIS FUCKING SMUTFACE PLEASE SHUT UP??!!

Beck:

ComeagainWTFBBQSAYWHAT??!!

Beck! You hear something about a political camp and thing THAT'S disturbing??? I think it's very disturbing that the youth in America is less and less interesting in politics! For all we know there should be more political camps being organized to energize the youth and make them understand politics. How else would you make them aware that big money has been hi lacking the chamber and senate in the past years??

Beck! PLEASE! GET YOURSELF INSTITUTIONALIZED!!

Not to mention the hypocrisy of Beck's 9/12 groups having youth camps for politics...

363 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:10:09pm

re: #355 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Savage: Norway Terrorist Attacks A Left-Wing Conspiracy

It just makes me sick to see this happening. As we've seen in the past the conservative crazy goes straight to the top. Expect senators and Presidential candidates to start parroting this soon.

364 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:10:55pm

The POTUS is the only man in the world who can get in front of every person in America, at any time he wants; to talk about anything he wants.

He could say, "I am going to sing MacArthur Park, and I'd like for the Networks to broadcast it.".

And they would. And by God, we would watch.

Now, will people watch this one? Meh...

365 Bulworth  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:10:59pm
he now believes that the attacks were “likely a fabrication of the Labour Party,” whose youth retreat was specifically targeted by the right-wing terrorist.

So the left wing Labour Party gunned down kids attending its own political indoctrinization camp! Of course. How sinister of those progressivist, multicultural socialist hippies. //

366 Kragar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:11:09pm

re: #363 Killgore Trout

"Savage said "Norway's 9/11" could have been stopped, "but it grew far too long, nourished by the bile of Eurosocialism."

"I hoped that incidents like this," he said, "will lead Europeans to come to the defense of their own civilizations and clamp down on the hate and intolerance that takes perverse advantage of European tolerance and openness."

367 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:12:10pm

Good golly...

@peterdaou Peter Daou
Posted without comment: Boehner briefed Limbaugh on debt plan before showing it to his conference [Link: bit.ly...]

368 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:12:12pm

re: #360 ProLifeLiberal

"Da Yoopers" may write an Anti-Glenn Beck song.

369 Kragar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:12:14pm
370 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:12:17pm

re: #363 Killgore Trout

It just makes me sick to see this happening. As we've seen in the past the conservative crazy goes straight to the top. Expect senators and Presidential candidates to start parroting this soon.

I'm waiting to see who will be the first candidate to call the shooter a liberal plant who killed kids to make the Tea Party and conservatives look bad.

My money's on Bachmann or Cain.

371 makeitstop  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:12:22pm

re: #355 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Savage: Norway Terrorist Attacks A Left-Wing Conspiracy

I guess Farah is betting that none of his readers will think it through, and that the logical conclusion is that the Labour party would have to have killed their own children to make the plan work.

People like Savage and Beck used to be locked away to prevent harm to themselves or others.

Now they get radio shows.

372 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:12:32pm

Boehner briefed Limbaugh? WTF? What... What in hell?

373 allegro  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:12:37pm

re: #355 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Savage: Norway Terrorist Attacks A Left-Wing Conspiracy

WTF? It would take less twisting for a human male to lick his own balls. Not on any level does this make any sense whatsoever.

374 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:12:41pm

re: #361 Lidane

Well that's good news. He's just a dumbass instead of a dumbass who might have gotten lead paint everywhere.

You should give him the receipt and tell him he owes you the money since he was too stupid to spend money on tarps before getting paint all over his yard.

Not even worth it. I'll be gracious and polite. Possible even friendly if I can manage it. He's just stupid, paying for the lead test or my cleanup time is not going to cure his stupidity. I also get the impression he's obsessive/compulsive. I'll just let it go as best I can. I'm not mad, I'm just bummed out.

375 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:13:11pm

re: #373 allegro

WTF? It would take less twisting for a human male to lick his own balls. Not on any level does this make any sense whatsoever.

Must be WTF Day. ;)

376 albusteve  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:13:27pm

re: #367 Gus 802

Good golly...

@peterdaou Peter Daou
Posted without comment: Boehner briefed Limbaugh on debt plan before showing it to his conference [Link: bit.ly...]

Limbaugh is relevant, inside the loop

377 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:13:38pm

re: #372 Gus 802

Boehner briefed Limbaugh? WTF? What... What in hell?

You have to clear these things with the head of the party.

378 Kragar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:13:53pm

re: #371 makeitstop

I guess Farah is betting that none of his readers will think it through, and that the logical conclusion is that the Labour party would have to have killed their own children to make the plan work.

People like Savage and Beck used to be locked away to prevent harm to themselves or others.

Now they get radio shows.

Well, you know those liberals would have no problems sacrificing their own children for the cause. That's how evil commie liberal pinkos are.
/

379 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:13:56pm

re: #367 Gus 802

Good golly...

@peterdaou Peter Daou
Posted without comment: Boehner briefed Limbaugh on debt plan before showing it to his conference [Link: bit.ly...]

The dark future! It's good times

380 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:14:04pm

Herman Cain cancels Colbert Report appearance.

381 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:14:09pm

re: #376 albusteve

So Limbaugh is relevant but the POTUS is not?

382 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:14:33pm

re: #355 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Savage: Norway Terrorist Attacks A Left-Wing Conspiracy

Michael Savage, like Bryan Fischer, is a shithead; however, like Glenn Beck, I sense some cynical commercialism behind those comments.

383 Randall Gross  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:14:34pm

re: #372 Gus 802

Boehner briefed Limbaugh? WTF? What... What in hell?

Yeah, I re tweeted that from the hill about an hour ago.

384 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:14:45pm

re: #372 Gus 802

Boehner briefed Limbaugh? WTF? What... What in hell?

because Limbaugh is more powerful than Boehner is.


totally not kidding

385 albusteve  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:14:49pm

re: #381 Lidane

So Limbaugh is relevant but the POTUS is not?

seems that way to me

386 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:14:49pm
387 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:14:59pm

re: #371 makeitstop

I guess Farah is betting that none of his readers will think it through.

If his readers actually thought things through, WND wouldn't exist.

388 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:15:21pm

re: #376 albusteve

Limbaugh is relevant, inside the loop

Limbaugh is an ignorant bag of wind. But hey, if Boehner wants to brief the real leader of the GOP that's fine by me. Boehner is a fecking failure.

389 Bulworth  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:15:25pm
"Savage said "Norway's 9/11" could have been stopped, "but it grew far too long, nourished by the bile of Eurosocialism."

"I hoped that incidents like this," he said, "will lead Europeans to come to the defense of their own civilizations and clamp down on the hate and intolerance that takes perverse advantage of European tolerance and openness."

This is looking like the RW's main response. Even though carried out by a fellow traveler, the ultimate cause of the killings is everything the RW, and the killer, hates. How convenient.

390 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:15:37pm

re: #382 talon_262

Michael Savage, like Bryan Fischer, is a shithead; however, like Glenn Beck, I sense some cynical commercialism behind those comments.

Michael Savage is all about being the showman, I never considered that guy a true believer

391 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:15:44pm

re: #386 Sergey Romanov

(Hope it's not against the rules. If is, plz delete.)

392 Randall Gross  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:16:06pm

re: #385 albusteve

seems that way to me

Boehner had to get sign off from his master.

393 makeitstop  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:16:13pm

re: #381 Lidane

So Limbaugh is relevant but the POTUS is not?

(pssst. He's trolling.)

394 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:16:24pm

Pamela Geller strikes back at NY Times for tying her to Oslo shooter

Moving forward, Geller hopes other Americans recognize what she says she has observed in the mainstream media. “This to me is naked agenda bias,” Geller said. “Clearly the media is no longer taking a passive role, or even objective reporting. The media has become an activist voice for supremacists and the far left.”

395 Olsonist  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:16:40pm

re: #381 Lidane

So Limbaugh is relevant but the POTUS is not?

Limbaugh is relevant to Steve and Obama is not.

396 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:16:41pm

Imagine being paid to fake temper tantrums every day on the radio

welcome to Michael Savage's career

397 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:16:55pm

re: #355 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Savage: Norway Terrorist Attacks A Left-Wing Conspiracy

Wow. I haven't heard him since he got fired, I think, from TV but I didn't know he was a conspiracy moron. Perhaps he isn't, but knows his audience well?

398 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:17:25pm

My interpretation:

@Gus_802 Gus
Boehner beclowns himself & the GOP by briefing the real leader of the GOP Rush Limbaugh bit.ly/oes2sA #LGF #tcot #tlot #p2 #gop #obama

399 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:17:25pm

re: #380 Gus 802

Herman Cain cancels Colbert Report appearance.

He must be smarter than he sounds.

400 albusteve  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:17:31pm

re: #395 Olsonist

Limbaugh is relevant to Steve and Obama is not.

I didn't say that now did I?....I just make observations

401 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:17:42pm

re: #376 albusteve

No, he is a drug-addled scumbag who goes down to the Dominican Republic for illegal things.

402 Winny Spencer  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:17:56pm

re: #397 Naso Tang

Wow. I haven't heard him since he got fired, I think, from TV but I didn't know he was a conspiracy moron. Perhaps he isn't, but knows his audience well?

He began hallucinating about the NWO about two years ago.

403 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:17:58pm

re: #396 WindUpBird

Imagine being paid to fake temper tantrums every day on the radio

welcome to Michael Savage's career

And Alex Jones' career was about finding new ways of blaming Da Jooz for everything and coming up with new conspiracy theories. Then Glenn Beck started ripping him off wholesale. It must suck that his bank account isn't as big as Glenn's.

Heh.

404 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:18:20pm

re: #394 Killgore Trout

did she strike back at the NY times by retching into her purse after a long night of drinking gin and internet counter-jihading

405 Bulworth  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:18:36pm
The media has become an activist voice for supremacists and the far left.”

Why yes. Just because a RW who quoted her blog and admired her activism bombed and shot up a 100+ people, mostly children.

Not sure what the "supremacists" reference is about. Can someone familiar with her mechanizations enlighten me? Or is this new?

406 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:18:36pm

Right Wing Watch
@rightwingwatch Right Wing Watch
Pat Robertson says Jewish "self-hatred" explains why American Jews back Obama, don't support Israel as much as he does: bit.ly/qKNqcU

407 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:19:08pm

re: #403 Lidane

And Alex Jones' career was about finding new ways of blaming Da Jooz for everything and coming up with new conspiracy theories. Then Glenn Beck started ripping him off wholesale. It must suck that his bank account isn't as big as Glenn's.

Heh.

Glenn's an actual broadcaster with real experience doing mainstream radio, Alex Jones is just a guy that yells and talks too fast :D

personality always trumps material!

408 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:19:19pm

re: #405 Bulworth

Why yes. Just because a RW who quoted her blog and admired her activism bombed and shot up a 100+ people, mostly children.

Not sure what the "supremacists" reference is about. Can someone familiar with her mechanizations enlighten me? Or is this new?

She's talking about "Islamic supremacists" i.e., people who don't want to kill all Muslims.

409 makeitstop  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:19:34pm

re: #406 Gus 802

Right Wing Watch
@rightwingwatch Right Wing Watch
Pat Robertson says Jewish "self-hatred" explains why American Jews back Obama, don't support Israel as much as he does: bit.ly/qKNqcU

The freakin' crazy is breaking every known instrument to measure it today.

410 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:19:52pm

re: #406 Gus 802

In other news, Pat Robertson is still alive

411 blueraven  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:19:58pm

re: #347 albusteve

hahaha!
the only people that will listen to him, or further, believe him is his own party...he's campaigning, and that's his right

He is the goddamn President of the United States. We are in a crisis. Your ODS must have gone from your heart to your head and infected your brain cells.

412 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:20:09pm

Robertson: Jewish "Self-Hatred" Explains Support For Obama, Lack Of Support For Israel
Submitted by Brian Tashman on July 25, 2011 - 5:15pm

Today on The 700 Club, Pat Robertson interviewed David Mamet about his recently discovered conservative beliefs and new book, and both agreed that American Jews who don’t agree with their views on Israel suffer from “self-hatred.” Robertson was baffled why “liberal Jews in America” don’t share his views on Israel and Mamet criticized President Obama as a “one-worlder” who opposes Israel, saying, “my people, the Jews, have a lot to answer for” over their support for Obama. Robertson asked, “do you think the Jews are ever gonna wake up?”

Continues.

413 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:20:13pm

re: #362 Thanos

Not to mention the hypocrisy of Beck's 9/12 groups having youth camps for politics...

Egg-xactly...

414 Kragar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:20:13pm

For those who missed it, I paged Fischer's comments;

Fischer: Norway Terrorist's Manifesto Is 'Accurate'

415 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:21:01pm

re: #366 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


"Savage said "Norway's 9/11" could have been stopped, "but it grew far too long, nourished by the bile of Eurosocialism."

"I hoped that incidents like this," he said, "will lead Europeans to come to the defense of their own civilizations and clamp down on the hate and intolerance that takes perverse advantage of European tolerance and openness."

Pot, meet kettle, Mr. Savage...

416 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:21:09pm

David Mamet has jumped the shark. What a loser.

417 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:22:01pm

re: #414 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm no longer surprised at anything that guy says

He basically looked at Fred Phelps, saw an opportunity, and dialed the gain back to about 7 instead of 11, and that's Bryan Fischer

418 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:23:32pm

re: #355 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Savage: Norway Terrorist Attacks A Left-Wing Conspiracy

I almost, even yet, can't believe this.

419 albusteve  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:23:39pm

re: #411 blueraven

He is the goddamn President of the United States. We are in a crisis. Your ODS must have gone from your heart to your head and infected your brain cells.

neither...BO is going on TV to promote the dems case for the deficit...republicans don't want to hear it and maybe many dems don't either so what's the point?...as for crisis, that's all relative....there is no crisis at this point

420 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:23:50pm

re: #347 albusteve

hahaha!
the only people that will listen to him, or further, believe him is his own party...he's campaigning, and that's his right

I'm gonna guess Perry. I would have said Bachmann if not for the gender clue. Of course, knowing you......

421 JJ42  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:24:36pm

re: #47 Dreggas

Norwegian political researcher Frank Aarebrot has this to say about Glenn Beck's comparison:

"He is a fascist. Only a fascist would say something like that. The man is a swine." "Beck is a vulgar propagandist trying to outdo Joseph Goebbels"


[Link: translate.google.com...]

422 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:24:55pm

Robertson: Jewish Supporters of Obama are "Self-Hating"'

Because Pat Robertson is, of course, arbitor of Proper Jewishness; he's got a sash that says so.

423 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:25:08pm

re: #416 Gus 802

David Mamet has jumped the shark. What a loser.

David Mamet wanted a payday, haha


All the money is in conservative screeds! Because they don't read real books, just CANNIBALS: HOW LIBERALS WILL DINE ON THE BRAINS OF YOUR WHITE AMERICAN CHILDREN

424 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:25:09pm

re: #366 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


"Savage said "Norway's 9/11" could have been stopped, "but it grew far too long, nourished by the bile of Eurosocialism."

"I hoped that incidents like this," he said, "will lead Europeans to come to the defense of their own civilizations and clamp down on the hate and intolerance that takes perverse advantage of European tolerance and openness."

Has someone bothered to tell him who the perp was?

425 Kragar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:25:10pm

How long before they start asking to see the shooter's birth certificate proving he was really Norwegian?

426 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:25:13pm

re: #409 makeitstop

The freakin' crazy is breaking every known instrument to measure it today.

Today is the never ending fountain of wingnut wisdom. The spiritual leadership of the Republican Party (Robertson, Fischer, Beck, et al) and the wingnut intelligentsia (Rush Limbaugh) have been briefed. Welcome to another day in TPGOP world.

427 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:25:15pm

[Link: www.nzherald.co.nz...]

Whoa. It is 21 years total. 82 days per killing.

That's not justice, it's a joke.

428 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:25:37pm

re: #422 The Ghost of a Flea

Robertson: Jewish Supporters of Obama are "Self-Hating"'

Because Pat Robertson is, of course, arbitor of Proper Jewishness; he's got a sash that says so.

Pat Robertson, noteworthy Jew lol

429 albusteve  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:25:42pm

re: #420 Naso Tang

I'm gonna guess Perry. I would have said Bachmann if not for the gender clue. Of course, knowing you...

I call it as I see it....to some that's ODS trolling
nothing new about that

430 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:25:53pm

re: #416 Gus 802

Who is this, and what did he do?

431 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:26:02pm

re: #419 albusteve

...there is no crisis at this point

There never is until the shit actually, physically, hits the fan.

432 Kragar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:26:16pm

re: #424 SanFranciscoZionist

Has someone bothered to tell him who the perp was?

""This has all the appearances of a cover-up," Savage told WND. "They created their Reichstag fire. They found their Timothy McVeigh. They created their Jack Ruby. How could one man have blown up the downtown and then raced to the island to kill the teens?"

433 albusteve  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:26:52pm

re: #431 Naso Tang

There never is until the shit actually, physically, hits the fan.

exactly

434 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:27:00pm

re: #426 Gus 802

Today is the never ending fountain of wingnut wisdom. The spiritual leadership of the Republican Party (Robertson, Fischer, Beck, et al) and the wingnut intelligentsia (Rush Limbaugh) have been briefed. Welcome to another day in TPGOP world.

Ahh, the future, it's all laid out in front of me, nitwits and their pantheon of gods, stretching to the horizon

435 makeitstop  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:27:16pm

re: #432 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

""This has all the appearances of a cover-up," Savage told WND. "They created their Reichstag fire. They found their Timothy McVeigh. They created their Jack Ruby. How could one man have blown up the downtown and then raced to the island to kill the teens?"

In Savage's fevered brain, timed fuses were never invented.
/

436 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:27:24pm

re: #382 talon_262

Michael Savage, like Bryan Fischer, is a shithead; however, like Glenn Beck, I sense some cynical commercialism behind those comments.

I'm just pleased that if no other good thing can possible come from this evil, people are stepping right up to let me know that they are, in fact, evil. This is handy. I don't have to guess anymore, or give points for honestly differing opinions.

437 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:27:43pm

re: #430 ProLifeLiberal

Who is this, and what did he do?

Today on The 700 Club, Pat Robertson interviewed David Mamet about his recently discovered conservative beliefs and new book, and both agreed that American Jews who don’t agree with their views on Israel suffer from “self-hatred.” Robertson was baffled why “liberal Jews in America” don’t share his views on Israel and Mamet criticized President Obama as a “one-worlder” who opposes Israel, saying, “my people, the Jews, have a lot to answer for” over their support for Obama. Robertson asked, “do you think the Jews are ever gonna wake up?”

Mamet is another one of those former liberals turned "Born Again Right Wing" after 9/11. Not born again in the Christian sense. I see them as born again ideologically. So they're a bit like former smokers if you know what I mean.

438 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:27:48pm

re: #425 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How long before they start asking to see the shooter's birth certificate proving he was really Norwegian?

Pfft. He's a blue-eyed blond white guy. Only black men who dare to occupy the Oval Office and Mexicans need to show their papers. =P

439 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:28:21pm

re: #432 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

""This has all the appearances of a cover-up," Savage told WND. "They created their Reichstag fire. They found their Timothy McVeigh. They created their Jack Ruby. How could one man have blown up the downtown and then raced to the island to kill the teens?"

FALSE FLAG! FALSE FLAG!

440 Kragar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:28:23pm

re: #435 makeitstop

In Savage's fevered brain, timed fuses were never invented.
/

No radio detonators, cell phone triggers, or any other modern ignition system.

441 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:28:30pm

re: #427 EmmmieG

[Link: www.nzherald.co.nz...]

Whoa. It is 21 years total. 82 days per killing.

That's not justice, it's a joke.

We have been advised that they also have something called "indefinite detention"; and there is the fact that most Norwegian are good hunters with long range moose rifles.

442 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:28:55pm

re: #439 Lidane

7/22 was an inside job!

//

443 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:29:01pm

Wow. Been busy at work, thank goodness, but just found this. I am more and more appalled at the behavior of what was once "my party".
What is the difference between Reid and the GOP proposals?

Both cut spending by similar amounts over time. Both raise the debt ceiling over time by roughly the same amount. Both virtually guarantee entitlements cuts later. Neither offers new revenues. It seems that perhaps the only meaningful difference between the two plans is that the Dem one gets it done in one fell swoop, while the GOP proposal does a short term deal followed by another one later — something that financial analysts say could lead to a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating and that Republicans themselves once opposed.

444 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:29:07pm

re: #437 Gus 802

So they're a bit like former smokers if you know what I mean.

Trading one addiction for the other?

445 albusteve  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:29:23pm

re: #418 SanFranciscoZionist

I almost, even yet, can't believe this.

remember any of my posts where I predicted the TP/GOP/right wing nutdance is going to get worse, and worse....there is no sign on the horizon these people are waking up to reality...it's wishful thinking and they have a lot of steam left...hell, it may never end

446 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:29:56pm

re: #444 Lidane

Trading one addiction for the other?

That and being feverishly against something they once found pleasure in.

447 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:30:03pm

re: #427 EmmmieG

[Link: www.nzherald.co.nz...]

Whoa. It is 21 years total. 82 days per killing.

That's not justice, it's a joke.

They'll never let him out. But 21 years is the legal limit. Apparently they can hold him after it expires.

448 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:30:58pm

re: #432 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

""This has all the appearances of a cover-up," Savage told WND. "They created their Reichstag fire. They found their Timothy McVeigh. They created their Jack Ruby. How could one man have blown up the downtown and then raced to the island to kill the teens?"

I take it he doesn't believe in Oklahoma City, either.

449 Bulworth  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:31:29pm

re: #437 Gus 802
Sad.

"One-worlder." Jeez. What does that even mean?

What a crackpot.

450 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:31:41pm

re: #432 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

""This has all the appearances of a cover-up," Savage told WND. "They created their Reichstag fire. They found their Timothy McVeigh. They created their Jack Ruby. How could one man have blown up the downtown and then raced to the island to kill the teens?"

I've been reeling with how well his plan worked, actually.

First, you set off a distraction in downtown Oslo. The attention of the nation and of course, the police, will be riveted on the bombing. All available resources will be in or on the way to Oslo, and focused on the bombing.

Then you do the real dirty work. It will take them a while to regroup. It took the police something like 40 minutes to dispatch after the first gunshots were heard. His plan worked perfectly, to my horror.

451 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:31:42pm

re: #443 Rightwingconspirator

Yeah, but the GOP short term version means that they can play politics longer and focus on this instead of other matters. It also gives them the option of changing their mind, if "circumstances dictate".

452 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:31:56pm

re: #437 Gus 802

Today on The 700 Club, Pat Robertson interviewed David Mamet about his recently discovered conservative beliefs and new book, and both agreed that American Jews who don’t agree with their views on Israel suffer from “self-hatred.” Robertson was baffled why “liberal Jews in America” don’t share his views on Israel and Mamet criticized President Obama as a “one-worlder” who opposes Israel, saying, “my people, the Jews, have a lot to answer for” over their support for Obama. Robertson asked, “do you think the Jews are ever gonna wake up?”

Mamet is another one of those former liberals turned "Born Again Right Wing" after 9/11. Not born again in the Christian sense. I see them as born again ideologically. So they're a bit like former smokers if you know what I mean.

Mamet and Robertson can go share a huge bag of dicks with Savage, Beck, and Limbaugh.

453 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:31:57pm

re: #435 makeitstop

In Savage's fevered brain, timed fuses were never invented.
/

It's not clear to me how that worked. Someone said it was about two and a half hours between the reports of the Oslo bomb and when reports of something happening on the island began to trend on Twitter.

454 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:32:07pm

re: #447 SanFranciscoZionist

They'll never let him out. But 21 years is the legal limit. Apparently they can hold him after it expires.

My question is, is that 21 years TOTAL or 21 years per offense? If they charge him with each count individually, he would never see the light of day again.

Also, the Norwegian government could easily extend his stay in prison by calling him a threat to the public, or by saying that they're keeping him in prison so that no one else will kill him, given all the anger against him in Norway right now.

455 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:32:23pm

re: #447 SanFranciscoZionist

They'll never let him out. But 21 years is the legal limit. Apparently they can hold him after it expires.

I mentioned before that it's like Sirhan Sirhan, technically eligible for parole that the system will never grant.

456 JJ42  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:32:29pm

re: #427 EmmmieG

Well, there's a thing called "forvaring" (which he will probably be sentenced to), which means that if the court finds that he still poses a threat to society after 21 years, the penalty can be prolonged virtually indefinitely. I can pretty much guarantee that he will get this kind of sentence. He is after all the worst mass murderer in Norwegian history, and he knew perfectly well what he did. He is sane, and his manifesto, and the fact that he spent nine years planning this proves it.

457 Kragar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:32:36pm

re: #436 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm just pleased that if no other good thing can possible come from this evil, people are stepping right up to let me know that they are, in fact, evil. This is handy. I don't have to guess anymore, or give points for honestly differing opinions.

Its nice to have a vivid reminder every once in a while on why some people shouldn't be given a seat at the table for reasonable discussions.

458 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:32:59pm

re: #441 Naso Tang

We have been advised that they also have something called "indefinite detention"; and there is the fact that most Norwegian are good hunters with long range moose rifles.

Hunting this guy with a moose rifle would be an insult to moose everywhere.

Is that advocating violence? I'm just saying.

459 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:33:37pm

re: #449 Bulworth

Sad.

"One-worlder." Jeez. What does that even mean?

What a crackpot.

You know. "One worlder" as delineated in the Breivik Manifesto. I'm sure that Mr. Mamet is another one of those anti "multiculti" people as well.

460 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:33:53pm

No longer a Twitter virgin. @_SergeyRomanov_

461 AK-47%  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:34:44pm

re: #432 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And they created his 1,500-page manifesto as a red herring, too...

462 Kragar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:34:55pm

re: #460 Sergey Romanov

No longer a Twitter virgin. @_SergeyRomanov_

So, we can now call you a twit.

463 makeitstop  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:35:07pm

re: #456 JJ42

Well, there's a thing called "forvaring" (which he will probably be sentenced to), which means that if the court finds that he still poses a threat to society after 21 years, the penalty can be prolonged virtually indefinitely. I can pretty much guarantee that he will get this kind of sentence. He is after all the worst mass murderer in Norwegian history, and he knew perfectly well what he did. He is sane, and his manifesto, and the fact that he spent nine years planning this proves it.

I'm counting on the possibility that since Norway is such a small country, one or another of the victims will have a relative (either as an inmate or guard) wherever he gets incarcerated that will make his life (more) miserable.

464 Bulworth  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:35:14pm
I'm sure that Mr. Mamet is another one of those anti "multiculti" people as well.

Oh, then he probably has a lot in common with the Norway killer.

465 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:35:15pm

re: #454 Lidane

My question is, is that 21 years TOTAL or 21 years per offense? If they charge him with each count individually, he would never see the light of day again.

Also, the Norwegian government could easily extend his stay in prison by calling him a threat to the public, or by saying that they're keeping him in prison so that no one else will kill him, given all the anger against him in Norway right now.

My understanding, and I may be mistaken, given that I never gave a thought to Norwegian sentencing procedures until this past Friday, is that he cannot be sentenced to more than a total of 21 years, however, he can be detained for as long as he is considered a danger to society AFTER that, without formal sentencing.

Anyone who understands this better, feel free to correct me.

466 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:36:31pm

re: #462 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So, we can now call you a twit.

Could be ... worse. ;)

467 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:37:09pm

re: #458 SanFranciscoZionist

Hunting this guy with a moose rifle would be an insult to moose everywhere.

Is that advocating violence? I'm just saying.

Come on, it was obviously tongue in cheek meaning that I find it hard to imagine Norwegian ever tolerating him walking among them. However if it was one of my children, who knows how I might think 21 years from now.

468 blueraven  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:38:02pm

re: #419 albusteve

neither...BO is going on TV to promote the dems case for the deficit...republicans don't want to hear it and maybe many dems don't either so what's the point?...as for crisis, that's all relative...there is no crisis at this point

Because most independent voters and even quite a few republicans believe there needs to be a balanced approach to the debt problem.
Cut spending + Raise Revenue
Its time to put the pressure on.

469 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:38:25pm

re: #467 Naso Tang

Come on, it was obviously tongue in cheek meaning that I find it hard to imagine Norwegian ever tolerating him walking among them. However if it was one of my children, who knows how I might think 21 years from now.

I'm not so tongue in cheek.

They better keep this guy locked up.

470 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:38:45pm

re: #464 Bulworth

Oh, then he probably has a lot in common with the Norway killer.


The Secret Knowledge: On the Dismantling of American Culture by David Mamet

From a review:

Chap 3: "The grave error of multiculturalism is the assumption that reason can modify a process which has taken place without reason, and with inputs astronomically greater than those reason might provide."

471 AK-47%  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:38:48pm

Just don't let this goombah hijack the trial to make it a grandstand for further ranting against jihadism, feminism and genetic communism, whatever that is...

472 makeitstop  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:38:57pm

So, now Boehner says he'll respond to Obama's address 'two minutes after the president is done.'

Translation: Canned talking points that will be the same no matter what Obama says. Here's hoping nobody but Fox News will carry it.

And the GOPs in the House should try and keep Boehner away from the liquor cabinet before he goes on TV.

473 AK-47%  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:39:54pm

re: #472 makeitstop

And the GOPs in the House should try and keep Boehner away from the liquor cabinet before he goes on TV.

and the tanning bed

474 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:39:57pm

What's the big deal with multiculturalism?

It just means tacos and spaghetti instead of lutefisk and blood sausage.

This is not an improvement?

475 Kragar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:40:21pm

re: #469 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm not so tongue in cheek.

They better keep this guy locked up.

Set him free.

Above the Arctic circle.

In December.

Naked.

476 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:40:44pm

re: #458 SanFranciscoZionist

Hunting this guy with a moose rifle would be an insult to moose everywhere.

Is that advocating violence? I'm just saying.

I would be down with giving ol' ABB the proverbial "death by a thousand cuts", but from my (limited) understanding of applicable Norwegian law in this case, the murderous bastard will never again be a free man, IMO.

477 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:40:51pm

David Mamet Turns Right

Mamet writes of his conversion to free market economics, his discovery of the errors of multiculturalism, in a new book titled, "The Secret Knowledge: On the Dismantling of American Culture." He sounds like a latter-day Candide marooned in postmodern America, where liberals think they have all the answers for creating the "best of all possible worlds." He renders them as absurd as Dr. Pangloss, who saw even the great Lisbon earthquake of 1755 as among "the best of all possible worlds."

478 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:41:02pm

re: #474 EmmmieG

What's the big deal with multiculturalism?

It just means tacos and spaghetti instead of lutefisk and blood sausage.

This is not an improvement?

Given my feelings about lutefisk, yes.

479 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:41:20pm

re: #474 EmmmieG

What's the big deal with multiculturalism?

Brown people are scary. So are other languages and cultures.

///

480 JJ42  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:41:30pm

re: #465 SanFranciscoZionist

You're right. After 21 years, he can be sentenced to five new years every fifth year as long as he is still considered a threat to society. Basically they can keep him in detention for as long as they want.

481 AK-47%  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:42:53pm

re: #474 EmmmieG

What's the big deal with multiculturalism?

It just means tacos and spaghetti instead of lutefisk and blood sausage.

This is not an improvement?

another one of those words that is too wishy-washy to mean anything significant.

I certainly don't take it to mean altering our democratic institutions or compromising our constitutional freedoms, but that seems to be what a lot of people see as the hidden bugaboo in multi-culturalism,

482 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:43:29pm

re: #473 ralphieboy

and the tanning bed spray-on tan

FTFY ;-P

483 Kragar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:43:47pm

Fischer: It Is Impossible To Be An LGBT Role Model


You know I say every day that we are fighting a winnable war, and here is more proof. A controversial law in California was enacted last week that’s going to require that lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender role models be taught, starting in kindergarten, in California schools. Ladies and gentleman, by definition, somebody who engages in sexually aberrant behavior is not and cannot be a role model, period, end of story.
484 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:44:07pm

re: #474 EmmmieG

What's the big deal with multiculturalism?

It just means tacos and spaghetti instead of lutefisk and blood sausage.

This is not an improvement?

Hot sauce and spaghetti.
Hot sauce and ramen.
Hot sauce and bratwurst.
Multiculturalism rocks.

485 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:44:14pm

re: #460 Sergey Romanov

re: #460 Sergey Romanov

No longer a Twitter virgin. @_SergeyRomanov_


Twitter kinda grows on ya... Just followed you. I see a few similar names there.
@RW_conspirator

486 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:44:18pm

re: #460 Sergey Romanov

No longer a Twitter virgin. @_SergeyRomanov_

Well, that was quick. It looks like one of the stalkers is already following you. I'll email you the stalker list.

487 allegro  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:44:36pm

re: #474 EmmmieG

What's the big deal with multiculturalism?

It just means tacos and spaghetti instead of lutefisk and blood sausage.

This is not an improvement?

That's what I've been trying to figure out. I grew up in a lily white suburban world. Very dull. I much prefer living in a multicultural neighborhood and I will never get why anyone would have a problem with it.

488 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:44:41pm

re: #290 ProLifeLiberal

You might want to notify him of that.

Notified through twitter. It can be useful.

Jeff_Sparrow Jeff Sparrow
@
@_SergeyRomanov_ Arrrggh! Sorry -- the ABC does that sometimes. Was correct in what I sent them. Will ask the editor to amend. Apologies!

489 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:44:51pm

re: #473 ralphieboy

and the tanning bed vat of Doritos crumbs he rolls around in

490 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:45:11pm

re: #483 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fischer: It Is Impossible To Be An LGBT Role Model

Newsflash: Bryan Fischer is still a shithead!

Film at 11.

491 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:45:27pm

re: #489 Lidane

ROFL!!!

492 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:45:30pm

re: #481 ralphieboy

another one of those words that is too wishy-washy to mean anything significant.

I certainly don't take it to mean altering our democratic institutions or compromising our constitutional freedoms, but that seems to be what a lot of people see as the hidden bugaboo in multi-culturalism,

I've yet to understand why.

493 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:45:41pm

Then there was Mamet's Oleanna:

Mamet takes anti-feminist stance too far in Oleanna

Clearly, Oleanna is a pawn in Mamet's dramatic war against feminism. Fortunately, however, his film is too slanted and exaggerated to be taken seriously. When Oleanna gloats and makes her professor admit that he sees her as little more than a weak woman of "questionable sexuality," Mamet's homophobic paranoia is brought to the forefront. By using exaggerated charges, fancy footwork and twisted language, it endeavors to reduce modern-day sexual harassment trials to the level of the 17th-century witch hunt.

Unfortunately, Mamet takes the point too far. His attempt to elicit sympathy for the perpetrators of sexual harassment fails because the professor is an unpleasant individual. Although some of the professor's philosophical points are quite interesting, his lecturing technique (and Mamet's writing style) is repetitive and annoying. It is made clear from the beginning of the film that he is interested in himself only, and in that regard he was no different from Oleanna.

Odd isn't it? From what he said today. The anti-feminism. The anti-multiculturalism. There are many parallels with Breivik.

494 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:45:56pm

re: #456 JJ42

Well, there's a thing called "forvaring" (which he will probably be sentenced to), which means that if the court finds that he still poses a threat to society after 21 years, the penalty can be prolonged virtually indefinitely. I can pretty much guarantee that he will get this kind of sentence. He is after all the worst mass murderer in Norwegian history, and he knew perfectly well what he did. He is sane, and his manifesto, and the fact that he spent nine years planning this proves it.

Sounds sort of like civil commitment in the US--at the end of your sentence they route you into the mental health system as a ward of the state. It's a controversial way on keeping certain types of criminals--in particular sex offenders--from ever returning to society.

495 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:45:58pm

re: #485 Rightwingconspirator

re: #460 Sergey Romanov
Just followed you.
@RW_conspirator

re: #486 CuriousLurker

Well, that was quick. It looks like one of the stalkers is already following you. I'll email you the stalker list.

Hey wait a minute!.... LOL

496 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:46:02pm

re: #433 albusteve

exactly

at which point you will be one of the first to ask why the hell nobody acted earlier, right?

497 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:46:07pm

re: #486 CuriousLurker

Any way to hide them from view?

498 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:46:29pm

re: #484 Varek Raith

Hot sauce and spaghetti.
Hot sauce and ramen.
Hot sauce and bratwurst.
Multiculturalism rocks.

There's a common element there in your post, but I can't put my finger on it...

499 Kragar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:47:03pm

re: #490 talon_262

Newsflash: Bryan Fischer is still a shithead!

Film at 11.

Psst. No one tell Bryan about Rock Hudson. It would shatter his fragile little mind.

500 JJ42  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:47:21pm

re: #471 ralphieboy

He wanted an open hearing today, to be able to use it for propaganda purposes. It was denied. He also wanted to appear in uniform (no doubt his 'knight templar' uniform). That was also denied. He did however read from his manifesto during the hearing, and pleaded not guilty. The judge referred what he said after the hearing. Basically a load of his standard 'cultural marxist' rhetoric.

501 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:47:50pm

re: #478 SanFranciscoZionist

Given my feelings about lutefisk, yes.

Mr. EmmmieG is 1/4 Icelandic. When we were first parents, and I was feeling all parental and like I should let my kids know about their culture (the next biggest block in their genealogy is English, which is really boring), I decided I should cook something Icelandic for them.

Has anyone hear ever taken a good look at traditional Icelandic foods?

Image: File:Mink_Whale_Meat_Iceland.JPG

I quickly ran back into the comforting arms of Americanized multiculturalism.

502 Kragar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:47:52pm

re: #484 Varek Raith

Hot sauce and spaghetti.
Hot sauce and ramen.
Hot sauce and bratwurst.
Multiculturalism rocks.

Carnitas with Ramen Noodles

503 AK-47%  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:48:08pm

re: #492 SanFranciscoZionist

I've yet to understand why.


Because of all those scary brown people and their non-Christian religions.

If you see America as a "Christian nation" and American culture as based on Anglo-Saxon Christian culture, then every non-Christian we let into the country undermines our very essence.

504 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:48:10pm

Where's Ari Gold when I need him? This Fox News douche needs to be cursed out loudly and forcefully:

Kilmeade: Is It Possible Obama "Was Never Serious About A Solution" To Default Crisis?

505 albusteve  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:49:12pm

re: #496 Naso Tang

at which point you will be one of the first to ask why the hell nobody acted earlier, right?

I was asking that weeks ago myself....there is no governmental excuse for this deficit drama....it's fake

506 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:49:16pm

re: #500 JJ42

He wanted an open hearing today, to be able to use it for propaganda purposes. It was denied. He also wanted to appear in uniform (no doubt his 'knight templar' uniform). That was also denied. He did however read from his manifesto during the hearing, and pleaded not guilty. The judge referred what he said after the hearing. Basically a load of his standard 'cultural marxist' rhetoric.

I am pleased that the judge did this, along with solitary and no news contact. I suspect that could not have happened in the US.

507 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:50:12pm

re: #497 Sergey Romanov

Any way to hide them from view?

BTW. Block Gus_903. He's my stalker now stalking you. Apparently he's also reading this in real time. What a loser. He's already following you.

508 AK-47%  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:50:45pm

re: #506 Naso Tang

I am pleased that the judge did this, along with solitary and no news contact. I suspect that could not have happened in the US.


Not without screams of "travesty of justice" and "kangaroo courts" and "what are they trying to hide?"

509 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:50:48pm

re: #507 Gus 802

Yeah, I noticed.

510 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:51:19pm

re: #498 talon_262

There's a common element there in your post, but I can't put my finger on it...

I love spicy foods.
I love making non spicy foods spicy.

511 makeitstop  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:51:27pm

re: #508 ralphieboy

Not without screams of "travesty of justice" and "kangaroo courts" and "what are they trying to hide?"

Activist judges!!11ty!

512 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:51:31pm

re: #505 albusteve

I was asking that weeks ago myself...there is no governmental excuse for this deficit drama...it's fake

I think you credit more intelligence than is warranted. One should always have an exit/escape strategy. The GOP have publicly denied themselves that.

513 AK-47%  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:51:50pm

If only Rupert Murdoch had hacked this guys's phone in time, this all might've been averted...

514 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:51:53pm

re: #509 Sergey Romanov

Yeah, I noticed.

Yeah. The freak even copies my avatar whenever I update or change it. That's dedication. Of the psychotic kind.

515 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:52:44pm

re: #508 ralphieboy

Not without screams of "travesty of justice" and "kangaroo courts" and "what are they trying to hide?"

I was thinking more along the lines of "we have a constitutional right to see our ratings to go up".

516 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:52:59pm

FYI, if anyone is following you with my nic, it's not me.
I don't do the whole social network thing.
:)

517 dragonfire1981  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:53:29pm

re: #367 Gus 802

Good golly...

@peterdaou Peter Daou
Posted without comment: Boehner briefed Limbaugh on debt plan before showing it to his conference [Link: bit.ly...]

This should scare of all of us. BIG TIME.

518 Kragar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:53:31pm

re: #516 Varek Raith

FYI, if anyone is following you with my nic, it's not me.
I don't do the whole social network thing.
:)

Same here. I don't twit.

519 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:54:08pm

re: #497 Sergey Romanov

Any way to hide them from view?

If you're using the web version of Twitter, you have to block them one by one. If you use Tweetdeck, there's a "global filter" that will let you enter a comma separated list of nics—it doesn't actually block them, it just hides them form view.

520 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:54:42pm

re: #486 CuriousLurker

Email me that too.

521 albusteve  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:55:03pm

re: #512 Naso Tang

I think you credit more intelligence than is warranted. One should always have an exit/escape strategy. The GOP have publicly denied themselves that.

I don't think I ever admitted that a pol was intelligent...if I did it was accidental...
snort

522 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:55:16pm

After Boehner Releases Plan That Doesn’t Cut Entitlements, He Rejects Reid Plan For Not Cutting Entitlements

The GOP just doesn't give a shit about what they are about to do to the economy.

523 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:55:28pm

re: #520 ProLifeLiberal

Email me that too.

Okay, DM me your email and I'll send it.

524 albusteve  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:55:54pm

re: #514 Gus 802

Yeah. The freak even copies my avatar whenever I update or change it. That's dedication. Of the psychotic kind.

you and DF should do lunch

525 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:55:58pm

re: #516 Varek Raith

FYI, if anyone is following you with my nic, it's not me.
I don't do the whole social network thing.
:)

I don't either. How would one know if someone had hijacked it?

526 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:56:12pm

re: #519 CuriousLurker

If you're using the web version of Twitter, you have to block them one by one. If you use Tweetdeck, there's a "global filter" that will let you enter a comma separated list of nics—it doesn't actually block them, it just hides them form view.

I just blocked some stalker that was following me. I can't remember his name but it was a variant of Stinky Beaumont.

527 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:56:47pm

re: #522 Varek Raith

After Boehner Releases Plan That Doesn’t Cut Entitlements, He Rejects Reid Plan For Not Cutting Entitlements

The GOP just doesn't give a shit about what they are about to do to the economy.

Of course they don't. All they're thinking about is beating Obama in 2012, consequences be damned.

528 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:57:20pm

re: #526 Lidane

I just blocked some stalker that was following me. I can't remember his name but it was a variant of Stinky Beaumont.

Probably @SlinkyBewmont.

529 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:57:54pm

Prune torte and dried fish v. tacos and chocolate chip cookies.

I would be worried about my "native culture" as well.

530 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:58:21pm

re: #527 Lidane

Of course they don't. All they're thinking about is beating Obama in 2012, consequences be damned.

Yes, but the really scary part is that they probably think they can set everything right immediately once they do.

531 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:58:57pm

re: #529 EmmmieG

Prune torte and dried fish v. tacos and chocolate chip cookies.

I would be worried about my "native culture" as well.

Ohhhh
Tough choice.

532 JJ42  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:59:19pm

re: #501 EmmmieG

Whale meat is actually pretty awesome ;)
Lutefisk however.. I've tried it a few times (didn't inhale) and because of that, decided to never eat it again. However, I'm starting to think that what I got those times was actually bad lutefisk, as in 'not properly prepared'. I'm pretty sure that if I tried properly prepared lutefisk, I would like it.

533 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:59:30pm

re: #530 Naso Tang

Yes, but the really scary part is that they probably think they can set everything right immediately once they do.

Because they're stupid.

534 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 2:59:40pm

re: #521 albusteve

I don't think I ever admitted that a pol was intelligent...if I did it was accidental...
snort

You just did, by suggesting that they are smart enough to manufacture a non existent crisis.

535 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:00:34pm

re: #532 JJ42

Whale meat is actually pretty awesome ;)
Lutefisk however.. I've tried it a few times (didn't inhale) and because of that, decided to never eat it again. However, I'm starting to think that what I got those times was actually bad lutefisk, as in 'not properly prepared'. I'm pretty sure that if I tried properly prepared lutefisk, I would like it.

Lutefisk is for Norwegian wimps. Have you tried surstromming?

536 wee fury  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:00:48pm

re: #532 JJ42

Whale meat is actually pretty awesome ;)
Lutefisk however.. I've tried it a few times (didn't inhale) and because of that, decided to never eat it again. However, I'm starting to think that what I got those times was actually bad lutefisk, as in 'not properly prepared'. I'm pretty sure that if I tried properly prepared lutefisk, I would like it.

No. I don't think so.

537 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:00:52pm

re: #510 Varek Raith

I love spicy foods.
I love making non spicy foods spicy.

I can dig that. I wished I had taken me a little bottle of Tabasco on my recently completed 10-day backpacking trip to northeast NM; it would have made those reconstituted freeze-dried dinner entrees even better.

538 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:01:32pm
You might know them as environmentalists, enviro-communists, eco-Marxists, neo-Communists or eco-fanatics. They all claim they want to save the world from global warming but their true agenda is to contribute to create a world government lead by the UN or in other ways increase the transfer of resources (redistribute resources) from the developed Western world to the third world. They hope to accomplish this through the distribution of misinformation (propaganda) which they hope will lead to increased taxation of already excessively taxed Europeans and US citizens.
-Breivik


Now, where have I heard this shit before...
/

539 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:02:11pm

re: #510 Varek Raith

I love spicy foods.
I love making non spicy foods spicy.

Right now, I'm nibbling on mango flavored candy that's covered in chili powder.

Yummy. :D

540 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:03:53pm

re: #539 Lidane

Right now, I'm nibbling on mango flavored candy that's covered in chili powder.

Yummy. :D

I sometimes sprinkle chili powder on my coffee.
Yum.

541 albusteve  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:04:32pm

re: #534 Naso Tang

You just did, by suggesting that they are smart enough to manufacture a non existent crisis.

an accident...a better way to state it would be the crisis that has not happened yet is totally unnecessary....the voters are getting punked and all the pols know it but it has to be played out in a partisan fashion til one sode is beat into submission....remember facts don't count, appearances do

542 palomino  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:04:51pm

re: #505 albusteve

I was asking that weeks ago myself...there is no governmental excuse for this deficit drama...it's fake

Maybe it will seem real enough in a couple of weeks if/when global markets tank.

543 kirkspencer  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:06:06pm

re: #540 Varek Raith

I sometimes sprinkle chili powder on my coffee.
Yum.

Next time you make (or buy) fudge, add a tiny sprinkle of cayenne - a quarter teaspoon in a batch. Not enough to add heat.

It's one of the catalyst spices - unlocks flavors in addition to bringing its own. (Like salt and cloves.)

544 wee fury  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:06:09pm

Breivik is evil.

545 Kragar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:06:21pm

re: #540 Varek Raith

I sometimes sprinkle chili powder on my coffee.
Yum.

I put cayenne pepper on deviled eggs

546 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:06:36pm

re: #540 Varek Raith

I sometimes sprinkle chili powder on my coffee.
Yum.

I heard recently of something I need to try, when I can find them. Dried limes.

Either use whole as flavoring for stews, but the new part is to gring up to a powder and use like you might chili pepper. Even make ice tea with it.

547 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:06:50pm

Pepper.
The miracle spice!

548 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:07:27pm

re: #541 albusteve

an accident...a better way to state it would be the crisis that has not happened yet is totally unnecessary...the voters are getting punked and all the pols know it but it has to be played out in a partisan fashion til one sode is beat into submission...remember facts don't count, appearances do

OK, but that is stating the obvious; at least to most of us here.

549 albusteve  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:07:29pm

re: #542 palomino

Maybe it will seem real enough in a couple of weeks if/when global markets tank.

if they don't make a deal, we default, and the world tumbles into chaos...I'll eat my shorts

550 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:07:43pm

I wonder who fanboyof91 is.

551 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:08:45pm

re: #543 kirkspencer

Next time you make (or buy) fudge, add a tiny sprinkle of cayenne - a quarter teaspoon in a batch. Not enough to add heat.

It's one of the catalyst spices - unlocks flavors in addition to bringing its own. (Like salt and cloves.)

I LOVE buying chocolate with cayenne or chili powder. It's so, so good.

And these are awesome. I try not to buy them too often so I don't get burned out on them. Glorious.

552 albusteve  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:09:24pm

re: #540 Varek Raith

I sometimes sprinkle chili powder on my coffee.
Yum.

I recommend you try some NM green chiles...you can use them in just about any dish for a unique, fresh flavor

553 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:10:10pm

re: #551 Lidane

I LOVE buying chocolate with cayenne or chili powder. It's so, so good.

And these are awesome. I try not to buy them too often so I don't get burned out on them. Glorious.

Those look good.
Send some to 666, Death Star Lane, Lower Lunar Orbit.
Thanks.

554 Obdicut  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:10:10pm

re: #550 Sergey Romanov

I wonder who fanboyof91 is.

might be younglibertarian

555 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:10:16pm

re: #550 Sergey Romanov

I wonder who fanboyof91 is.

Hello fanboyof91, who are you? :)

Don't be shy.

556 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:10:26pm

re: #552 albusteve

I recommend you try some NM green chiles...you can use them in just about any dish for a unique, fresh flavor

You mean the Hatch chiles? Those are good.

557 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:10:41pm

re: #524 albusteve

you and DF should do lunch

I didn't talk about "that other blog". It was merely a mention and a not to Sergey. But hey. Thanks for your vote of loyalty and concern.

558 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:11:12pm

re: #552 albusteve

I recommend you try some NM green chiles...you can use them in just about any dish for a unique, fresh flavor

Cool.
I'll have lots of neat things to look for when I go to the store.

559 Kragar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:12:16pm

Scotland Yard called in over Breivik's claims he met 'mentor' in UK

Police attempting to piece together Anders Behring Breivik's links to far-right groups in the UK and Europe have written to Scotland Yard asking for more officers to help with the investigation.

A specialist unit has been set up in The Hague to trawl through a database of known high-risk, rightwing extremists and assist the Norwegian police as they examine evidence from Breivik's 1,500-page "manifesto" published online hours before he launched one of the worst mass killings in peacetime Europe.

Rob Wainwright, director of Europol, told the Guardian he had written to the Metropolitan police's new head of counter-terrorism, Cressida Dick, asking for more officers from Scotland Yard after Breivik boasted of his links to far-right groups in the UK.

"What we've seen is an active extremist scene across European countries, including the UK," said Wainwright. "There are some signs the extreme right have been more active, especially on the internet. They are more sophisticated and using social media to attract younger people."

560 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:13:19pm

Later gators.

561 albusteve  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:13:25pm

re: #556 Lidane

You mean the Hatch chiles? Those are good.

yeah...it's really surprising how you can add green chilis to virtually anything...not a lot, and not too hot...you get this garden fresh thing from them...and a bit of spice

562 makeitstop  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:13:58pm

re: #532 JJ42

I'm pretty sure that if I tried properly prepared lutefisk, I would like it.

Not for nothing, but even good lutefisk is bad. Take it from someone who married into a Norweigan family. My late father-in-law loved the stuff - even drove out to Brooklyn specifically to buy it because the store made it 'better than anybody' - and I tried it once to gain points.

Bad move. My wife and mother-in-law implored me not to try it, but I did. I can still taste that horrible taste today - some eight years hence.

563 palomino  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:14:32pm

re: #549 albusteve

if they don't make a deal, we default, and the world tumbles into chaos...I'll eat my shorts

Strong analysis, Bart. Convincing.

What the heck do Geithner, Bernanke, Volcker, et al. know?

564 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:15:10pm

re: #561 albusteve

yeah...it's really surprising how you can add green chilis to virtually anything...not a lot, and not too hot...you get this garden fresh thing from them...and a bit of spice

The Central Market chain of grocery stores around here does a Hatch chile festival every year when they're in season. They have a cookbook and sell damn near everything you can think of made with Hatch.

Good stuff, but it's real easy to get burned out on it after a while.

565 JJ42  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:15:13pm

re: #513 ralphieboy

I don't think it would have been possible catch him, even if Norway had been North Korea. He was completely under the radar. Never broke any laws. His weapons were legal, and he had a farm, which enabled him to get hold of fertilizer without raising to much suspicion. In March however, intelligence placed his name (along with hundreds of others) on a list of people having transferred money to a certain Polish store selling chemicals. Another slightly suspicions thing he did was to not engage in any actual farming, such as planting, and spreading fertilizer on the fields.

566 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:15:25pm

re: #501 EmmmieG

My impression of traditional Icelandic food is based on the Þorramatur--the traditional winter's feast--which sounds awful. Fermenting or lactic-acid curing fish andmeat is just a big culinary HELL NO territory for me: I respect the technology acumen that fermenting represents, and the cultural genius of that kind of food storage...but it smells like a public restroom. Hangikjöt (smoked lamb) sounds like it might be tasty, but since it's part of the Þorramatur I suspect there's some hidden horrible element I can't perceive.

567 albusteve  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:16:19pm

re: #557 Gus 802

I didn't talk about "that other blog". It was merely a mention and a not to Sergey. But hey. Thanks for your vote of loyalty and concern.

the last time I posted my concern, I copped a time out...that shit spreads like wildfire and so many newer posters are intrigued, want some action and then drag it all back here, which I think is very uncool...it's easy enough to avoid being stalked, so it don't add up

568 makeitstop  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:17:17pm

re: #543 kirkspencer

Next time you make (or buy) fudge, add a tiny sprinkle of cayenne - a quarter teaspoon in a batch. Not enough to add heat.

It's one of the catalyst spices - unlocks flavors in addition to bringing its own. (Like salt and cloves.)

My wife makes chili/chocolate cupcakes. Delicious.

569 Spocomptonite  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:17:21pm

re: #39 Sergey Romanov

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

"The Justiciar Knight must demand the right to form a cultural conservative tribunal consisting of the 20 most dedicated and trustworthy cultural conservative/patriotic leaders in the country. Э

Blah blah.

How can he possibly think he's in a position to make demands? That isn't a right that has existed anywhere on the earth, ever.

570 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:17:42pm

Failblog funny from There I Fixed It

Stop Making Budget Cuts

571 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:18:29pm

re: #565 JJ42

In March however, intelligence placed his name (along with hundreds of others) on a list of people having transferred money to a certain Polish store selling chemicals. Another slightly suspicions thing he did was to not engage in any actual farming, such as planting, and spreading fertilizer on the fields.

However, did they know at that time if he had purchased large quantities of fertilizer? In the US I believe that buyers now need to provide ID information, although I am not sure if that is in a central database.

572 JJ42  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:18:31pm

re: #535 Naso Tang

Nah. Don't think I've even heard about it.

573 albusteve  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:20:04pm

re: #564 Lidane

The Central Market chain of grocery stores around here does a Hatch chile festival every year when they're in season. They have a cookbook and sell damn near everything you can think of made with Hatch.

Good stuff, but it's real easy to get burned out on it after a while.

so true...all things in moderation, but it's nice to have some in the freezer...the Hatch growers have been trying for years to enhance their marketability nationwide and nothing has really worked...I suppose it's a regional thing and will mostly stay that way...they want you to put that stuff into everything and that's a bust

574 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:20:20pm

re: #569 Spocomptonite

Read the whole thing. It's about propagating his views.

575 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:20:23pm

re: #552 albusteve

I recommend you try some NM green chiles...you can use them in just about any dish for a unique, fresh flavor

On my way back on the bus from Cimarron to Albuquerque to catch my plane home Saturday, we stopped at the Rio Grande Gorge Bridge outside Taos. There were a bunch of vendors set up by the road there at the end of the bridge, including a nice couple that sold me the best glass of fresh-squeezed lemonade I've ever had. However, the purchase I'm most stoked about is a bag of fresh NM medium chile spice mix for five bucks; it smells heavenly and I can't wait to make some chili with it.

FYI: Props to the Taos Inn and Doc Martin's Restaurant...damn tasty green chile bacon cheeseburger and fries.

576 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:20:46pm

re: #572 JJ42

Nah. Don't think I've even heard about it.

In English. Sour Herring. Fermented herring, not allowed to be eaten indoors.

577 blueraven  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:24:09pm

Sergey Romanov

I wonder who fanboyof91 is.

Not sure if I have seen him post, but he has dinged me a couple of times.


ooooh....that didn't come out quite right!

578 albusteve  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:25:32pm

re: #575 talon_262

On my way back on the bus from Cimarron to Albuquerque to catch my plane home Saturday, we stopped at the Rio Grande Gorge Bridge outside Taos. There were a bunch of vendors set up by the road there at the end of the bridge, including a nice couple that sold me the best glass of fresh-squeezed lemonade I've ever had. However, the purchase I'm most stoked about is a bag of fresh NM medium chile spice mix for five bucks; it smells heavenly and I can't wait to make some chili with it.

FYI: Props to the Taos Inn and Doc Martin's Restaurant...damn tasty green chile bacon cheeseburger and fries.

well sooner or later the green chili burger comes up!...you can get em at McDonalds...blew me away when I moved here....
so you were up at the BSA ranch?...some gorgeous country around there...if you didn't and if you go back, try and go upriver through Cim canyon...breathtaking, and world class, no shit trout fishing

579 JJ42  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:27:16pm

re: #571 Naso Tang

Probably not. I can't imagine there is a database of fertilizer purchases in Norway. And again, he had a 'legal' farm, and a (fake) business plan for growing sugar beets (or something like that), so for all they knew he was an ordinary farmer. Nothing exceptional about a farmer buying a couple of tons of fertilizer.

581 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:28:10pm

re: #580 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Frank Gaffney: Norway attack show we must watch out for the Muslim Brotherhood

There he is! I've been waiting for him to comment.

Gaffney swings and misses!

582 Spocomptonite  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:29:33pm

re: #574 Sergey Romanov

Read the whole thing. It's about propagating his views.

If he wanted to propagate his views, he should have formed his own competing summer camp like the Tea Party did, instead of murdering a summer camp. 1500 pages and yet didn't think about the overwhelming sympathy for the victims that would make even his most otherwise enthusiastic hate-filled supporter of his ideals desperately attempt to spin themselves away from him. Truly a sociopath.

583 albusteve  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:29:54pm

re: #580 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Frank Gaffney: Norway attack show we must watch out for the Muslim Brotherhood

bullshit...the B'hood has spent alot of time and energy to legitimize themselves...I think they are out of the murder business, their spawn runs that department

584 Kragar  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:30:01pm

Liveprayer's Bill Keller Condemns the Terror Attack in Norway by a Supposed Christian


Keller immediately responded to press inquiries about the terror attack in Norway stating, "Just because this sick person claims to be a Christian, it doesn't mean he is. I condemn his actions and the Bible condemns his actions. These are not the actions of a true a follower of Jesus Christ."

When asked about what the difference is between the acts of terror committed by Breivik and those committed by those who claim to be of the Muslim faith Keller said, "The difference is simple. When someone like this man in Norway, or a Timothy McVeigh, commit acts of terror, they are doing so in complete contradiction to the teachings of the Bible. When a Muslim commits acts of terror or 'jihad,' they are doing so in complete obedience to what the Qu'ran and their false religion teaches."
585 kirkspencer  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:30:30pm

re: #575 talon_262

On my way back on the bus from Cimarron to Albuquerque to catch my plane home Saturday, we stopped at the Rio Grande Gorge Bridge outside Taos. There were a bunch of vendors set up by the road there at the end of the bridge, including a nice couple that sold me the best glass of fresh-squeezed lemonade I've ever had. However, the purchase I'm most stoked about is a bag of fresh NM medium chile spice mix for five bucks; it smells heavenly and I can't wait to make some chili with it.

FYI: Props to the Taos Inn and Doc Martin's Restaurant...damn tasty green chile bacon cheeseburger and fries.

Cooking... One of the best chilis I ever had was also one of the simplest. One chuck roast, one can of chipotles in adobo, one beer, ten hours in a crock pot.

586 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:30:54pm

re: #580 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Frank Gaffney: Norway attack show we must watch out for the Muslim Brotherhood

Frank --

WTF do the Muslim Brotherhood have to do with the blue-eyed blond white guy who just killed dozens of his fellow Norwegians while parroting your anti-Islam, anti-multicultural gibberish?

FAIL. Go chase after Grover Norquist and keep telling him he's a traitorous asshole for marrying a Muslim and leave the adults to talk.

No love,
Me

587 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:31:43pm

re: #546 Naso Tang

I heard recently of something I need to try, when I can find them. Dried limes.

Either use whole as flavoring for stews, but the new part is to gring up to a powder and use like you might chili pepper. Even make ice tea with it.

Dried limes, aka black limes, aka Loomi/Lumi [Arabic] or Amani/Ormani [Farsi]. Used in Middle Eastern and Persian food. Never used them for lemonade, though--am curious to try.

If you can't find it, try sumac instead--bright lemony taste without less citric acid kick--which serves as a substitute in regional cooking.re: #556 Lidane

You mean the Hatch chiles? Those are good.

Hatch chiles are awesome. One of the few food that lived up to the hype once I actually ate it.

588 Gus  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:31:54pm

re: #586 Lidane

Frank --

WTF do the Muslim Brotherhood have to do with the blue-eyed blond white guy who just killed dozens of his fellow Norwegians while parroting your anti-Islam, anti-multicultural gibberish?

FAIL. Go chase after Grover Norquist and keep telling him he's a traitorous asshole for marrying a Muslim and leave the adults to talk.

No love,
Me

I just Tweeted this as Frank "CPAC Clown" Gaffney...

589 albusteve  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:32:24pm

re: #585 kirkspencer

Cooking... One of the best chilis I ever had was also one of the simplest. One chuck roast, one can of chipotles in adobo, one beer, ten hours in a crock pot.

there you have it...sounds delicious...
people won't ask what are all the chilis about?...they will ask where did this flavor come from?

590 makeitstop  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:33:02pm

re: #580 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Frank Gaffney: Norway attack show we must watch out for the Muslim Brotherhood

All roads lead to Rome with these idiots. And Rome, to them, is under Sharia Law.
/

591 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:33:05pm

re: #584 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Liveprayer's Bill Keller Condemns the Terror Attack in Norway by a Supposed Christian

Some condemnation. He still manages to sneak in the Islamaphobia.

592 albusteve  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:34:55pm

re: #587 The Ghost of a Flea

Dried limes, aka black limes, aka Loomi/Lumi [Arabic] or Amani/Ormani [Farsi]. Used in Middle Eastern and Persian food. Never used them for lemonade, though--am curious to try.

If you can't find it, try sumac instead--bright lemony taste without less citric acid kick--which serves as a substitute in regional cooking.re: #556 Lidane

Hatch chiles are awesome. One of the few food that lived up to the hype once I actually ate it.

buy them online...support you NM amigos

593 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:35:09pm

re: #587 The Ghost of a Flea

Dried limes, aka black limes, aka Loomi/Lumi [Arabic] or Amani/Ormani [Farsi]. Used in Middle Eastern and Persian food. Never used them for lemonade, though--am curious to try.

If you can't find it, try sumac instead--bright lemony taste without less citric acid kick--which serves as a substitute in regional cooking.

I cook a lot of Persian food, so I can definitely vouch for the yummy goodness of dried limes in stews and sumac (esp. on kebab, nom, nom, nom).

594 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:35:24pm

re: #582 Spocomptonite

His primary plan was to earn 3000000 Euro and propagate an expurgated version of the book. In case this plan failed, he had plan B: the marketing operation.

As for sympathy - you know why all those haters and neo-Nazis like to appear on the shows where they're mocked? Because (figuratively speaking) out of every 1000, 999 will hate them, but 1 will join them, and that 1 out of 1000 is a drastic increase for these marginals, given their numbers. He obviously counts on fanatics like himself. And there are such, I've already quoted one Russian "national democrat" who thinks that his only crime is getting caught (after all, killing leftists is not a crime to him).

595 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:35:42pm

re: #580 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Frank Gaffney: Norway attack show we must watch out for the Muslim Brotherhood

Gaffney to English translation: I have this here demogogic hammer, and by God I will make everyone understand that the world is nought but nails. Otherwise my profit margin will go down.

596 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:36:42pm

re: #578 albusteve

well sooner or later the green chili burger comes up!...you can get em at McDonalds...blew me away when I moved here...
so you were up at the BSA ranch?...some gorgeous country around there...if you didn't and if you go back, try and go upriver through Cim canyon...breathtaking, and world class, no shit trout fishing

I was indeed at Philmont for a week-and-a-half, hiking my ass off with my 11-man crew for 70-80+ miles; it's the fourth time I've been there in the past eighteen years and the scenery never ceases to amaze me.

597 allegro  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:37:05pm

re: #591 Lidane

Some condemnation. He still manages to sneak in the Islamaphobia.

The whole thing about Christianity being so peaceful and loving strikes me as bizarre as well. One of the things that made me reject it as a little kid was all the mass murder of innocents and stuff. Violent as hell.

598 Spocomptonite  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:38:05pm

re: #584 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

KellerThe Imam immediately responded to press inquiries about the terror attack in NorwayThe U.S. stating, "Just because this sick person claims to be a ChristianMuslim, it doesn't mean he is. I condemn his actions and the BibleQur'an condemns his actions. These are not the actions of a true a follower of Jesus ChristAllah."

He and others REALLY don't get that their defense is both the same and equally true as Muslim's responses to past terror attacks. The obvious logical dissonance is just staggering to me.

599 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:39:14pm

re: #597 allegro

The whole thing about Christianity being so peaceful and loving strikes me as bizarre as well. One of the things that made me reject it as a little kid was all the mass murder of innocents and stuff. Violent as hell.

It's Hippie Jesus while ignoring the wholesale slaughter that God gets up to in the OT.

600 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:40:13pm

re: #599 Lidane

It's Hippie Jesus while ignoring the wholesale slaughter that God gets up to in the OT.

Yeah, it annoys me too.

601 JJ42  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:40:19pm

re: #576 Naso Tang

Ah. I guess that's what we call "sursild" [sour herring]. Haven't tried it, but I'm pretty sure I will. We also have a slightly notorious dish called "rakørret"/"rakfisk" [fermented trout] which is quite popular during Christmas. Haven't tried that one either, mainly because it has never been a tradition in my family (same goes for lutefisk). But I will. Lots of people love it and "rakfisklag" [rakfisk parties] before Christmas is quite popular. Many people order table at the restaurant a year ahead for pre-Christmas "rakfisklag" because it's so popular.

602 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:40:48pm

re: #599 Lidane

Not to mention that NT Jesus wasn't such a hippie, if one reads carefully.

603 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:40:56pm

re: #592 albusteve

buy them online...support you NM amigos

What's a good place to do so? And by good, I mean one where more money gets back to the primary producer.

re: #593 CuriousLurker

I cook a lot of Persian food, so I can definitely vouch for the yummy goodness of dried limes in stews and sumac (esp. on kebab, nom, nom, nom).

I know like, three Persian recipes; fesanjan, eggplant stew, and cardoon stew. Is there a cookbook (or other source) you'd recommend?

604 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:41:40pm

re: #577 blueraven

Sergey Romanov

Not sure if I have seen him post, but he has dinged me a couple of times.

oooh...that didn't come out quite right!

That's why I didn't say it.

605 albusteve  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:43:21pm

re: #596 talon_262

I was indeed at Philmont for a week-and-a-half, hiking my ass off with my 11-man crew for 70-80+ miles; it's the fourth time I've been there in the past eighteen years and the scenery never ceases to amaze me.

you're a good man...I was a Scout and my dream was always to go to this fabled place...Philmont...the guy that gave the Scouts that land was a saint....the scenery is extremely dramatic in a soft sort of way...go back up the Cimarron, over the divide and the vast landscape of the Rio Grande valley lies below you...it is very dramatic

606 allegro  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:45:24pm

re: #601 JJ42

Ah. I guess that's what we call "sursild" [sour herring]. Haven't tried it, but I'm pretty sure I will. We also have a slightly notorious dish called "rakørret"/"rakfisk" [fermented trout] which is quite popular during Christmas. Haven't tried that one either, mainly because it has never been a tradition in my family (same goes for lutefisk). But I will. Lots of people love it and "rakfisklag" [rakfisk parties] before Christmas is quite popular. Many people order table at the restaurant a year ahead for pre-Christmas "rakfisklag" because it's so popular.

My family was invited to join Swedish friends one year for a traditional Swedish Christmas Eve. They removed the dining room chairs so we all stood around this table covered with wonderful and amazing fare... that I don't remember. The tradition involved singing some song (sounded like Hee-long-gor), tossing back a shot of annise liqueur followed by a beer quickly chugged. After 4 or 5 rounds (more maybe?) of Hee-long-gor I was too shitfaced to know if I ate or not. Real fun party actually.

607 albusteve  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:45:45pm

re: #603 The Ghost of a Flea

as for green chilis...I don't know who to buy them from...any local grower would do

608 JJ42  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:46:16pm

re: #598 Spocomptonite

Equally true yes, but I'd rather say equally false. It's the No true Scotsman fallacy

609 blueraven  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:46:33pm

re: #585 kirkspencer

Cooking... One of the best chilis I ever had was also one of the simplest. One chuck roast, one can of chipotles in adobo, one beer, ten hours in a crock pot.

That works well for short ribs too. Doesn't need to cook as long though.

610 Lidane  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:49:05pm

re: #608 JJ42

Equally true yes, but I'd rather say equally false. It's the No true Scotsman fallacy

That's exactly what it is.

"No TRUE Christian..."

"No TRUE counter-jihadi...."

Etc.

611 albusteve  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:49:13pm

re: #609 blueraven

That works well for short ribs too. Doesn't need to cook as long though.

I make a simple pork tenderloin stew/soup in the crock pot...toss in a couple of medium chilis and it makes all the difference between average and really tasty

612 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:49:22pm

re: #605 albusteve

you're a good man...I was a Scout and my dream was always to go to this fabled place...Philmont...the guy that gave the Scouts that land was a saint...the scenery is extremely dramatic in a soft sort of way...go back up the Cimarron, over the divide and the vast landscape of the Rio Grande valley lies below you...it is very dramatic

I rode a bike through there on a cross-country trip. Nine years later I moved to the state (not near there, but there are many nice spots, as you know).

613 kirkspencer  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:49:24pm

re: #598 Spocomptonite

He and others REALLY don't get that their defense is both the same and equally true as Muslim's responses to past terror attacks. The obvious logical dissonance is just staggering to me.

It's of a piece with other things. Things like evangelical christians thinking other christians aren't, really. Anyone who isn't one of them is an enemy, the most dangerous enemies of all are those who are /almost/ like them but who tolerate and accept the other.

The articles in the Bievik anthology hit this from a bunch of directions. Yes, Muslims are evil. But more dangerous than followers of Islam are the Europeans who let them in and let them stay; the multiculturists, the liberals, the feminists. for some it's the atheists and the "not good" Jews. (Lots of meat there for folk who want to go digging in the muck.)

It honestly is NOT the same to them -- the differences in target and actors is that important. Literally, it's OK if you're one of us; and nothing you do that harms them is wrong.

614 Spocomptonite  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:50:51pm

re: #597 allegro

The whole thing about Christianity being so peaceful and loving strikes me as bizarre as well. One of the things that made me reject it as a little kid was all the mass murder of innocents and stuff. Violent as hell.

Me too. The Old Testament is what turned me away at a very early age. Then later when I realized the tale of Noah and the tower of Babel was actually just a convenient way to explain rainbows and why there are many languages like any other culture's mythos try to explain things that can't be explained yet, I was beyond "saving", as they might put it.

615 JJ42  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:52:06pm

re: #606 allegro

Sounds fun! I'm not sure if there is mandatory singing involved in Norwegian "Rakfisklag", but I know there's some quite substantial amounts of aquavit and beer involved, so I guess there will be singing, dancing and wall-to-wall vomiting after a short while

616 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:53:41pm

re: #603 The Ghost of a Flea


I know like, three Persian recipes; fesanjan, eggplant stew, and cardoon stew. Is there a cookbook (or other source) you'd recommend?

Our reference is "A Book of Middle Eastern Food" by Claudia Roden. Available in paperback.

617 albusteve  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:54:43pm

re: #612 wrenchwench

I rode a bike through there on a cross-country trip. Nine years later I moved to the state (not near there, but there are many nice spots, as you know).

you posted a pic of your town a while ago...I could not even guess where you are and know you don't want to give that up....my best guess was Springer...maybe somewhere east of there...but it's all beautiful up there...I love the broken mesas that is north central NM

618 allegro  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:55:34pm

re: #615 JJ42

Sounds fun! I'm not sure if there is mandatory singing involved in Norwegian "Rakfisklag", but I know there's some quite substantial amounts of aquavit and beer involved, so I guess there will be singing, dancing and wall-to-wall vomiting after a short while

Aquavit! That's it! I could not remember the name of that. Quite good, especially followed by the beer. We had a blast that night, which was funny since we kinda really didn't want to go thinking it was going to be a dull evening.

619 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:55:36pm

re: #614 Spocomptonite

Etiological myths, yeah. And then there's this whole "plagiarism from Gilgamesh epic" thing.

620 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:55:51pm

re: #587 The Ghost of a Flea


If you can't find it, try sumac instead--bright lemony taste without less citric acid kick--which serves as a substitute in regional cooking.re: #556 Lidane

We, she, always has sumac around.

621 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:58:51pm

re: #616 Naso Tang

Our reference is "A Book of Middle Eastern Food" by Claudia Roden. Available in paperback.

Thanks.

re: #607 albusteve

as for green chilis...I don't know who to buy them from...any local grower would do

I'll go see what I can find. The discussion here has made my really want some.

622 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:06:26pm

For a while, Baja Fresh had "Aztec chocolate chip cookies." I asked the counter gal what made them Aztec. She didn't know. I bought some, knowing in advance what there would be.

Yup. A little pepper, cinnamon, maybe a little honey. I went back and told her. Still a blank look.

Too bad.

623 JJ42  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:08:10pm

re: #535 Naso Tang

Okay, had to look up Surströmming on wiki, and it seems to be a bit more extreme than the standard Norwegian "Sursild" Image: Sursild-700.jpg
Those crazy Swedes..

624 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:10:47pm

re: #603 The Ghost of a Flea

I know like, three Persian recipes; fesanjan, eggplant stew, and cardoon stew. Is there a cookbook (or other source) you'd recommend?

Mmmm, I haven't made fesenjan in a long time. Never made cardoon stew, but I make eggplant and a couple of others regularly.

Whatever I know I learned form Iranian friends, so I don't use a cookbook, but I've heard very good things about Food of Life.

625 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:13:05pm

re: #616 Naso Tang

Our reference is "A Book of Middle Eastern Food" by Claudia Roden. Available in paperback.

Her recipes for Arabic food are really yummy.

626 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:29:13pm

re: #623 JJ42

Okay, had to look up Surströmming on wiki, and it seems to be a bit more extreme than the standard Norwegian "Sursild" Image: Sursild-700.jpg
Those crazy Swedes..

The traditional is in a metal can. When the ends start to bulge out it is ripe, and it can't be stored longer.

The smell is to die by (not for), but strangely the taste is nice, with vodka.

627 AK-47%  Tue, Jul 26, 2011 12:01:55am

re: #522 Varek Raith

The Honey Badgers of politics?

628 Øyvind Strømmen  Tue, Jul 26, 2011 3:18:00am

Bjørn Stærk (bearstrong) has published this essay, which is definitely worth reading:

[Link: essays.bearstrong.net...]


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