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I’m on the road this afternoon, traveling the mighty highways of this mighty land, singing “Mighty Love” by the Spinners, so here’s an open thread for the nonce…
869 comments
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Political Atheist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:53:53pm |
Next tune you may like... (my fave when driving interstate)
Sounds like a freeway jam...
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albusteve Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:56:36pm |
re: #1 Rightwingconspirator
Next tune you may like... (my fave when driving interstate)
Sounds like a freeway jam...
I didn't even open it to know...killer tune
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wrenchwench Mon, Jul 25, 2011 3:57:40pm |
Here we go, not fully vetted:
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windsagio Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:00:33pm |
So, should be some livestream fun in a few hours, wonder if the Pres has any surprises to drop or is just gonna tell the GOP off some more?
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Political Atheist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:02:35pm |
re: #5 windsagio
So, should be some livestream fun in a few hours, wonder if the Pres has any surprises to drop or is just gonna tell the GOP off some more?
A 14th Amendment threat to ignore the limit, declare it unconstitutional? He already threatened SS...
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albusteve Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:04:01pm |
re: #5 windsagio
So, should be some livestream fun in a few hours, wonder if the Pres has any surprises to drop or is just gonna tell the GOP off some more?
is BO the dog or the pony?
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makeitstop Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:05:48pm |
I'm hoping he'll announce that he's raising the debt ceiling by Executive Order, then concludes the address by double-dog daring the House to try and impeach him.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:07:37pm |
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:08:26pm |
re: #6 Rightwingconspirator
A 14th Amendment threat to ignore the limit, declare it unconstitutional? He already threatened SS...
He didn't threaten SS, he pointed out that the money for SS checks was being held hostage by Congress, therefore he can't guarantee them. He can't veto a bill that hasn't been passed.
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wrenchwench Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:08:48pm |
re: #4 wrenchwench
Here we go, not fully vetted:
[Video]
Oh, no! "Major funding provided by Public Television and the Ford Foundation". I've been indoctrinated!
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albusteve Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:09:31pm |
BO speach...
crisis
compromise
crisis
default
Congress
crisis
bipartisan
deadline
catastrophe
me, I'll, I'm, me, I, I, I
end of speech
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:10:00pm |
re: #8 makeitstop
I'm hoping he'll announce that he's raising the debt ceiling by Executive Order, then concludes the address by double-dog daring the House to try and impeach him.
Congressional Tea Party Republicans will sue to block such an order immediately, so it's not clear it would even go into effect.
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makeitstop Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:10:34pm |
re: #10 Sergey Romanov
Can he do it? Like, legally,
I have no idea! The thought came to me in the midst of a 100-plus degree day on Friday.
Hell, Bush issued EOs like handing out candy on Halloween. I'm sure the Republicans wouldn't mind if Obama issued one.
///
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ProMayaLiberal Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:11:29pm |
Some requested this be added to Glenn Beck's page:
In his comment to the [[Utøya mass shooting]] in 2011, where more than 60 teenagers were shot by terrorist [[Anders Behring Breivik]], Beck compared the victims of the shooting with [[Hitlerjugend]] [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
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Gus Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:13:17pm |
re: #13 albusteve
BO speach...
crisis
compromise
crisis
default
Congress
crisis
bipartisan
deadline
catastrophe
me, I'll, I'm, me, I, I, I
end of speech
The GOP response:
Er uh, duh, abortion...
Er uh, duh, gay marriage...
Er uh, duh, Bush tax cuts make jobs!...
Er uh. Dum de dumb a dumb derpy derpy do.
Pray more.
End of speech.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:13:19pm |
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Political Atheist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:15:04pm |
re: #10 Sergey Romanov
Can he do it? Like, legally,
I doubt that that an Executive Order would be the vehicle chosen to do so. But, anything is possible.
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windsagio Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:15:05pm |
re: #17 Gus 802
It always blows my mind. The GOP is willing to compromise on absolutely everything except raising taxes on the rich. They couldn't be more blatant about where their loyalties lie.
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albusteve Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:15:15pm |
I read the news today and was truly alarmed...as I understand it, if the US defaults BO will turn into a pumpkin...
that is so unfair...pumpkins are an ancient device to scare people....BO deserve a kiwi at least
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albusteve Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:16:32pm |
re: #17 Gus 802
The GOP response:
Er uh, duh, abortion...
Er uh, duh, gay marriage...
Er uh, duh, Bush tax cuts make jobs!...
Er uh. Dum de dumb a dumb derpy derpy do.
Pray more.
End of speech.
your tax dollars at work
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:17:25pm |
President Obama needs to stop trying to compromise and just start kicking ass & taking names. Enough already.
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ProMayaLiberal Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:18:15pm |
re: #24 CuriousLurker
Compromise won't work with these nihilistic dullards.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:18:40pm |
re: #18 Rightwingconspirator
Yes that was the threat. IMO he used gentle language as befits the office. And as per Politifact (Paged by me just a bit ago) he was correct.
It's not a threat, it's a fact he has no real control over. Threats involve coercion based on a proposed action. This is something that Obama's own lawyers have told him he's powerless to stop.
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windsagio Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:19:28pm |
re: #25 ProLifeLiberal
Its kind of like arguing with any extremist in a public place, imo.
You're not really talking to the nutbar across the way, but rather to the audience. You already know that guy doesn't give a fuck about compromise, or anything else.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:22:34pm |
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Political Atheist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:24:05pm |
BBL, gotta go get on that stainless steel socialist subway and ride it home.
//
(I love the Red Line, every great city has great public transport)
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:24:37pm |
re: #24 CuriousLurker
President Obama needs to stop trying to compromise and just start kicking ass & taking names. Enough already.
I think the Prez is basically an "academic" at heart. He likes to discuss things. But at some point he has to "own it" because if he doesn't, it will be his undoing. Someone should play Bill Clinton or James Carville saying "it's the economy, stupid."
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The Ghost of a Flea Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:25:51pm |
re: #13 albusteve
BO speach...
me, I'll, I'm, me, I, I, I
end of speech
So I encountered this meme with VDH's articles as well: what exactly is so objectionable about the President's use of the first-person pronouns?
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:26:44pm |
re: #28 Rightwingconspirator
You have excluded an important definition or use of the term threat. The very one I was going by.
"an indication or warning of probable trouble: The threat of a storm was in the air."
You said he "threatened SS." You used threat as a verb, attributed to Obama, not a noun. Stop acting so duplicitously, your language was clear, and incredibly inaccurate.
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albusteve Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:27:38pm |
re: #26 goddamnedfrank
It's not a threat, it's a fact he has no real control over. Threats involve coercion based on a proposed action. This is something that Obama's own lawyers have told him he's powerless to stop.
LOL!...
the world you live in is not the world his 'threat' was made to...people hear that shit and freak...that's what politics is all about...and supposedly BO is the consummate, genius pol....in other words a manipulator, but you always defend anything he says or does...it's perception, not fact
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:29:09pm |
Okay, here comes publicitiyStunted.
Hey, pS, I made something for you. It may take a minute to load as animated gifs aren't the best format for photos (it's almost 2.5MB), but I wanted to keep it simple. It morphs back & forth using the photo of Qadri you posted the other day, and an eerily similar one of ABB that Gus posted today with The Look™.
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albusteve Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:30:31pm |
re: #31 The Ghost of a Flea
So I encountered this meme with VDH's articles as well: what exactly is so objectionable about the President's use of the first-person pronouns?
not sure...I think he wants to focus attention on himself....that's what the words imply
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Gus Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:30:47pm |
re: #34 CuriousLurker
Okay, here comes publicitiyStunted.
Hey, pS, I made something for you. It may take a minute to load as animated gifs aren't the best format for photos (it's almost 2.5MB), but I wanted to keep it simple. It morphs back & forth using the photo of Qadri you posted the other day, and an eerily similar one of ABB that Gus posted today with The Look™.
Oh. My. God. It's almost a perfect match.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:32:35pm |
re: #30 _RememberTonyC
I think the Prez is basically an "academic" at heart. He likes to discuss things. But at some point he has to "own it" because if he doesn't, it will be his undoing. Someone should play Bill Clinton or James Carville saying "it's the economy, stupid."
I get really frustrated sometimes because I know he's quite capable of throwing down when he wants to.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:35:10pm |
re: #25 ProLifeLiberal
Compromise won't work with these nihilistic dullards.
Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:35:22pm |
re: #36 Gus 802
Oh. My. God. It's almost a perfect match.
Yeah, as soon as you posted the pic, I thought "BINGO!" and headed straight for Photoshop.
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Gus Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:35:50pm |
re: #39 CuriousLurker
Yeah, as soon as you posted the pic, I thought "BINGO!" and headed straight for Photoshop.
You should page it.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:36:04pm |
re: #30 _RememberTonyC
I think the Prez is basically an "academic" at heart. He likes to discuss things. But at some point he has to "own it" because if he doesn't, it will be his undoing. Someone should play Bill Clinton or James Carville saying "it's the economy, stupid."
He'll "own it" if the Republican House refuses to pass a sane way to raise the debt ceiling and demands concessions for the first times in our nation's history to avoid a default?
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:37:21pm |
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The Ghost of a Flea Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:39:52pm |
re: #35 albusteve
not sure...I think he wants to focus attention on himself...that's what the words imply
I just find it a weird critique, since structurally his usage fits with the section of his public address in which he's specifically is addressing what he plans to do...often in implicit contrast to his detractors...and/or is engaging in a personal affirmation of his intentions vis-a-vis those he addresses. I literally unsure how one could write/speak to that subject in a different way without seeming more disingenuous; after all, it's not as though he can use a governmental "we" when neither the House nor Senate are fully on the page with him, and to attribute his opinions as somehow synonymous with the whole "people of America" would just seem like hubris.
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albusteve Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:41:50pm |
re: #43 The Ghost of a Flea
I just find it a weird critique, since structurally his usage fits with the section of his public address in which he's specifically is addressing what he plans to do...often in implicit contrast to his detractors...and/or is engaging in a personal affirmation of his intentions vis-a-vis those he addresses. I literally unsure how one could write/speak to that subject in a different way without seeming more disingenuous; after all, it's not as though he can use a governmental "we" when neither the House nor Senate are fully on the page with him, and to attribute his opinions as somehow synonymous with the whole "people of America" would just seem like hubris.
I hope the president is not concerned with trivial shit like that
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makeitstop Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:42:40pm |
re: #44 albusteve
I hope the president is not concerned with trivial shit like that
He isn't. His critics are.
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wrenchwench Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:42:55pm |
re: #44 albusteve
I hope the president is not concerned with trivial shit like that
He's not.
His speechwriters are.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:43:23pm |
Glenn Beck attracting international condemnation....
Glenn Beck likens Norwegian dead to Hitler youth
The comments were condemned by Torbjørn Eriksen, a former press secretary to Jens Stoltenberg, Norway's prime minister.
Eriksen described the comment as "a new low" for Beck, telling the Daily Telegraph: "Young political activists have gathered at Utøya for over 60 years to learn about and be part of democracy, the very opposite of what the Hitler Youth was about. Glenn Beck's comments are ignorant, incorrect and extremely hurtful."
Expect a forced apology. Maybe even a cancellation of his radio show over this one. It's pretty bad.
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makeitstop Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:44:42pm |
re: #47 Killgore Trout
Glenn Beck attracting international condemnation...
Glenn Beck likens Norwegian dead to Hitler youth
Expect a forced apology. Maybe even a cancellation of his radio show over this one. It's pretty bad.
One can only hope. Let him be reduced to spewing his bile on a streetcorner in New York.
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windsagio Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:45:44pm |
re: #45 makeitstop
Here's a secret:
Steve still likes to hate on the Pres, but he knows he can't pull the BHUSSEINO crap anymore, so he trys to do the other old tired meme, the 'me me i me I' bit.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:45:58pm |
re: #47 Killgore Trout
Glenn Beck attracting international condemnation...
Glenn Beck likens Norwegian dead to Hitler youth
Expect a forced apology. Maybe even a cancellation of his radio show over this one. It's pretty bad.
"There was a shooting at a political camp, which sounds a little like the Hitler youth, or, whatever. I mean, who does a camp for kids that's all about politics. Disturbing,"
Yeah, I mean who would honestly support a camp for children based around politics?
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Interesting Times Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:46:07pm |
re: #34 CuriousLurker
Okay, here comes publicitiyStunted.
Hey, pS, I made something for you. It may take a minute to load as animated gifs aren't the best format for photos (it's almost 2.5MB), but I wanted to keep it simple. It morphs back & forth using the photo of Qadri you posted the other day, and an eerily similar one of ABB that Gus posted today with The Look™.
Wow. Great job with that. The whole reason I noticed the resemblance in the first place was because of this comment you made at the time of Taseer's murder. Isn't it weird how something you don't think of for months and months suddenly goes off in your head like a firecracker when the appropriate trigger comes along?
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austin_blue Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:46:21pm |
Well, as long as we are doing road songs...
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albusteve Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:47:10pm |
re: #47 Killgore Trout
Glenn Beck attracting international condemnation...
Glenn Beck likens Norwegian dead to Hitler youth
Expect a forced apology. Maybe even a cancellation of his radio show over this one. It's pretty bad.
whoa...no decent American would say such a thing...the Norse suffered under Hitler
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austin_blue Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:47:26pm |
re: #50 jamesfirecat
"There was a shooting at a political camp, which sounds a little like the Hitler youth, or, whatever. I mean, who does a camp for kids that's all about politics. Disturbing,"
Yeah, I mean who would honestly support a camp for children based around politics?
Hahahaha!
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Gus Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:47:51pm |
re: #42 CuriousLurker
That didn't even occur to me. Good idea.
Use this code...
[Link: www.w3schools.com...]
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Gus Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:49:05pm |
That way you don't have to upload it. Which you can't since it will exceed the max size allowed.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:51:25pm |
re: #10 Sergey Romanov
Can he do it? Like, legally,
I heard an opinion to the effect that he can't do that until after we default first.
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Gus Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:51:56pm |
img src="IMG URL" alt="Morph"
Add < to the beginning of the line...
and close it with />
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:52:25pm |
re: #51 publicityStunted
Isn't it weird how something you don't think of for months and months suddenly goes off in your head like a firecracker when the appropriate trigger comes along?
Yep, it sure is. The brain is an amazing thing—it seems to be aware of and registering a lot more that we're actually conscious of most of the time. Makes sense, I guess since it protects us form information overload.
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albusteve Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:52:49pm |
re: #52 austin_blue
road music is it's own sub category, or whatever...
morning road
sundown road
middle of the night road
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:54:01pm |
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:55:18pm |
re: #56 Gus 802
That way you don't have to upload it. Which you can't since it will exceed the max size allowed.
Yeah, coding is part of what I do for a living, but now I'm thinking I don't want it on my server as it could eat up bandwidth quick. Not sure it's okay to put it on Flicker as I don;t know if they'd consider it "fair use" of the images...
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austin_blue Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:55:30pm |
re: #49 windsagio
Here's a secret:
Steve still likes to hate on the Pres, but he knows he can't pull the BHUSSEINO crap anymore, so he trys to do the other old tired meme, the 'me me i me I' bit.
Hey! Lay off Steve. It's his curmudgeonly opinion, which is fine by me. Steve keeps some of the more faintingly admiring Obama fans here honest. The Prez can't walk on water (and if he did, Steve would note that "The man won't swim because he doesn't want to get his suit wet."). In my opinion, the Prez has not been forceful *enough* in dealing with the TeaBillies and the GOP as a whole.
I'm thinking he's going to tear them a new asshole tonight. At least, I certainly hope so.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:55:49pm |
re: #49 windsagio
Here's a secret:
Steve still likes to hate on the Pres, but he knows he can't pull the BHUSSEINO crap anymore, so he trys to do the other old tired meme, the 'me me i me I' bit.
Lol Steve was one of those?
Lol! Sad.
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Gus Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:56:48pm |
re: #62 CuriousLurker
Yeah, coding is part of what I do for a living, but now I'm thinking I don't want it on my server as it could eat up bandwidth quick. Not sure it's okay to put it on Flicker as I don;t know if they'd consider it "fair use" of the images...
Ah, OK. Was thinking "maybe she knows this already." I don't know about the "fair use" aspect of this.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:57:41pm |
re: #60 albusteve
road music is it's own sub category, or whatever...
morning road
sundown road
middle of the night road
Lonesome Road
She played some gorgeous guitars. Too bad she doesn't have one here.
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albusteve Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:57:57pm |
re: #64 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Lol Steve was one of those?
Lol! Sad.
no...it's made up, that's what's sad
LOL!
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austin_blue Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:58:17pm |
re: #53 albusteve
whoa...no decent American would say such a thing...the Norse suffered under Hitler
Actually, Norway suffered under Quisling, the Nazi puppet. After the war, they shot him in the head.
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austin_blue Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:59:27pm |
re: #49 windsagio
Here's a secret:
Steve still likes to hate on the Pres, but he knows he can't pull the BHUSSEINO crap anymore, so he trys to do the other old tired meme, the 'me me i me I' bit.
Unfair.
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windsagio Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:59:33pm |
re: #67 albusteve
Now thats a lie steve, you said "BHO" constantly. Even the people that like you as a kind of weird angry mascot have to admit that.
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austin_blue Mon, Jul 25, 2011 4:59:59pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:01:22pm |
re: #73 austin_blue
Don't believe hearsay.
If I believed it I would not have laughed at it and asked. Steve already answered and has moved on, looks like.
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albusteve Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:01:56pm |
re: #70 windsagio
Now thats a lie steve, you said "BHO" constantly. Even the people that like you as a kind of weird angry mascot have to admit that.
show the posts....is there something wrong with using initials?...explain yourself
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windsagio Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:04:34pm |
re: #75 albusteve
Amongst your seventy thousand posts? Yeah not that motivated :p
Anyways, people know the truth if they care too, and people are getting annoyed at me so I'll drop it at that ;)
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austin_blue Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:06:13pm |
re: #71 windsagio
is it untrue?
He said BHO a lot, but those *are* his initials, yes?
HST DDE JFK LBJ WJC GWB &c.
As for being a hater on the Prez, I don't think Steve falls into that category. I just think he considers that Pols are, and he's anti-idiotarian. You may disagree, and that is your right. Just keep a civil typing finger in your hand. Just because you are a member of the majority on this site doesn't mean that you get to be randomly perjorative toward other lizards.
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austin_blue Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:07:11pm |
re: #79 austin_blue
He said BHO a lot, but those *are* his initials, yes?
HST DDE JFK LBJ WJC GWB &c.
As for being a hater on the Prez, I don't think Steve falls into that category. I just think he considers that Pols are idiots, and he's anti-idiotarian. You may disagree, and that is your right. Just keep a civil typing finger in your hand. Just because you are a member of the majority on this site doesn't mean that you get to be randomly perjorative toward other lizards.
PIMF
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McSpiff Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:07:58pm |
re: #62 CuriousLurker
Still reading the thread... but if you haven't found a solution, try [Link: imgur.com...]
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wrenchwench Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:09:10pm |
re: #79 austin_blue
He said BHO a lot, but those *are* his initials, yes?
HST DDE JFK LBJ WJC GWB &c.
As for being a hater on the Prez, I don't think Steve falls into that category. I just think he considers that Pols are, and he's anti-idiotarian. You may disagree, and that is your right. Just keep a civil typing finger in your hand. Just because you are a member of the majority on this site doesn't mean that you get to be randomly perjorative toward other lizards.
Not only that, but Steve has admitted he's going to vote for Obama in 2012. Some people just aren't paying attention. :)
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albusteve Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:09:52pm |
re: #77 windsagio
Amongst your seventy thousand posts? Yeah not that motivated :p
Anyways, people know the truth if they care too, and people are getting annoyed at me so I'll drop it at that ;)
they should be annoyed with you...you are a pest, my own stalker...it's not about POV it's about style....anybody that has read this blog consistantly knows I don't hate BO...I don't much care for him, and yet I've given him credit when he earned it...I have never once mocked his name or heritage or race....you make shit up because you dislike me, that's fine...but consider what others are reading
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:11:45pm |
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ProMayaLiberal Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:12:25pm |
re: #68 austin_blue
Quisling was never popular in Norway, and the NAZIs had to deploy troops there to hold it so a revolt wouldn't happen.
Troops that could have been used on the Eastern or Western Front. Norway would only be liberated when the NAZIs surrendered.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:12:36pm |
re: #83 albusteve
they should be annoyed with you...you are a pest, my own stalker...it's not about POV it's about style...anybody that has read this blog consistantly knows I don't hate BO...I don't much care for him, and yet I've given him credit when he earned it...I have never once mocked his name or heritage or race...you make shit up because you dislike me, that's fine...but consider what others are reading
Steve is scathing and dismissive about Obama.
He's also scathing and dismissive about practically all politicians, if you watch closely.
Sure, much of what he says about Obama is ridiculous, but his style is internally consistent.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:12:59pm |
re: #49 windsagio
Here's a secret:
Steve still likes to hate on the Pres, but he knows he can't pull the BHUSSEINO crap anymore, so he trys to do the other old tired meme, the 'me me i me I' bit.
I used to just smirk to myself every time someone called him that because in Arabic it would translate to Blessed Handsome Obama.
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theheat Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:14:56pm |
Speaking of outrageous outrages that fuel the righteous right, you have to buck up and watch this video about gazillions of dollars paying for a refugee utopia using SSI money.
If you do a search using the outrageous outrage headline "ELABORATE WELFARE HOUSING PROJECT" it naturally links to freeper and freeper-related sources. (It's their jerkoff material.)
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:15:43pm |
re: #81 McSpiff
Still reading the thread... but if you haven't found a solution, try [Link: imgur.com...]
Cool, that looks like it might work. I can squeeze the gif a little and get it down to 2MB. Thanks.
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:15:54pm |
re: #37 CuriousLurker
I get really frustrated sometimes because I know he's quite capable of throwing down when he wants to.
What is frustrating to both his supporters and his critics is this very issue. Some of us want him to " throw down" with the Republicans. And some of us would like to see him challenge the our international enemies more. His reluctance to do both is somewhat revealing.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:16:04pm |
re: #87 CuriousLurker
I used to just smirk to myself every time someone called him that because in Arabic it would translate to Blessed Handsome Obama.
That's one of many things that makes the hair-on-fire anti-PBOs j-e-a-l-o-u-s as hell of him.
Better educated than them, better spoken than them, better thinker than them, better looking than them, just plain better. /Schadenfreude
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engineer cat Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:16:11pm |
re: #43 The Ghost of a Flea
and to attribute his opinions as somehow synonymous with the whole "people of America" would just seem like hubris.
i saw grover norquist on chris matthews the other day doing exactly that
and too often i hear wingnuts declaring things like "the people of america reject the notion of any new taxes"
i reject the notion that i are not a people of america
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albusteve Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:17:25pm |
re: #91 _RememberTonyC
What is frustrating to both his supporters and his critics is this very issue. Some of us want him to " throw down" with the Republicans. And some of us would like to see him challenge the our international enemies more. His reluctance to do both is somewhat revealing.
his learning curve is vertical...it's a tough job for a neophyte
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:17:31pm |
re: #91 _RememberTonyC
What is frustrating to both his supporters and his critics is this very issue. Some of us want him to " throw down" with the Republicans. And some of us would like to see him challenge the our international enemies more. His reluctance to do both is somewhat revealing.
Yes but what does it reveal, IYO?
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Four More Tears Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:18:06pm |
I just heard O'Reilly deny that Breivik is in any way a Christian and should be labeled as such.
Oh the irony...
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Four More Tears Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:18:45pm |
re: #96 JasonA
I just heard O'Reilly deny that Breivik is in any way a Christian and should not be labeled as such.
Oh the irony...
pimf
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:20:07pm |
re: #96 JasonA
I just heard O'Reilly deny that Breivik is in any way a Christian and should be labeled as such.
Oh the irony...
Yeah, I see Christians -- especially rwnj ones -- are going through their predictable "who's a Christian" act today.
Many a war has been fought, won, and lost over that little idea. One would think they would have learned by now, but noooo....
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:20:49pm |
re: #91 _RememberTonyC
What is frustrating to both his supporters and his critics is this very issue. Some of us want him to " throw down" with the Republicans. And some of us would like to see him challenge the our international enemies more. His reluctance to do both is somewhat revealing.
Well, I think he's done pretty well with the drones in Pakistan, and he certainly took care of OBL, but yeah I'd like to see more throw down on the home front.
Gonna go try to deal with this gif now...BBIAB
| 100 |
albusteve Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:21:09pm |
re: #96 JasonA
I just heard O'Reilly deny that Breivik is in any way a Christian and should be labeled as such.
Oh the irony...
all those terms are under review...personally I could give a shit what his label is, but it will go on for months....a monotonous blur starting now
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:21:25pm |
re: #96 JasonA
I just heard O'Reilly deny that Breivik is in any way a Christian and should be labeled as such.
Oh the irony...
Bread goes in, Christ pops out, you can't explain that!
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:21:26pm |
re: #87 CuriousLurker
I used to just smirk to myself every time someone called him that because in Arabic it would translate to Blessed Handsome Obama.
Well, he is pretty good looking.
I just enjoy having a president named Baruch--which, I understand, he's been known to introduce himself as, at Jewish events.
Also, when he still had Rahm Emanuel on staff it was funny because Barak v'Rahm is 'lightning and thunder' in Hebrew.
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wrenchwench Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:21:46pm |
re: #96 JasonA
I just heard O'Reilly deny that Breivik is in any way a Christian and should be labeled as such.
Oh the irony...
How does he reconcile that with Breivik's desire to convert all Muslims to Christianity?
I know. He doesn't. Some people don't recognize cognitive dissonance.
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Kragar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:21:50pm |
The Love Blog wants you to watch out for the real victims in the Norway attack.
I have read about the unspeakable things Anders Behring Breivik did at Utøya. Any person doing such a thing is a monster. He murdered dozens of people in cold blood and injured countless others, mentally or physically. That’s bad enough, and it will take years for those wounds to heal, if they ever do.
It is irresponsible in this situation to try to expand his list of victims even further, from hundreds to hundreds of millions of people, by exploiting this atrocity to shut down vital political debates about immigration, Multiculturalism, or Islam in multiple countries. It cannot be allowed to happen.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:22:01pm |
re: #32 goddamnedfrank
You said he "threatened SS." You used threat as a verb, attributed to Obama, not a noun. Stop acting so duplicitously, your language was clear, and incredibly inaccurate.
I have offered the real context I actually intended. Stop trying to twist my words beyond their meaning, which has been made clear.
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:22:46pm |
re: #95 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Yes but what does it reveal, IYO?
I think he is more of a politician than a leader. He tries to please everyone, but once you win the election, you need to lead and do your best, regardless of the poll numbers of the day. Not easy to do.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:22:53pm |
re: #102 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, he is pretty good looking.
I just enjoy having a president named Baruch--which, I understand, he's been known to introduce himself as, at Jewish events.
Also, when he still had Rahm Emanuel on staff it was funny because Barak v'Rahm is 'lightning and thunder' in Hebrew.
Rahm is hot.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:23:03pm |
re: #105 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The Love Blog wants you to watch out for the real victims in the Norway attack.
They're never going to live this 'love blog' thing down, are they?
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jaunte Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:23:11pm |
re: #105 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Why does the Love Blog hate it's own comments?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:23:57pm |
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albusteve Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:24:04pm |
sweeping, wall of sound ballad...
for it's own sake
Black Sabbath
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:24:05pm |
re: #99 CuriousLurker
Well, I think he's done pretty well with the drones in Pakistan, and he certainly took care of OBL, but yeah I'd like to see more throw down on the home front.
Gonna go try to deal with this gif now...BBIAB
I give him generally good grades.
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kirkspencer Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:25:10pm |
re: #108 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Rahm is hot.
Well, I don't feel sorry for him; he can afford to turn on the air conditioner.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:25:11pm |
re: #107 _RememberTonyC
I think he is more of a politician than a leader.
I do too but that's fine by me. But then, I'm not much of a follower (not saying you are or anyone else is.) But have gotten pretty much what I expected when I voted for him - a politician, and a pretty skilled one at that, fbofw.
| 116 |
Kragar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:25:28pm |
re: #109 SanFranciscoZionist
They're never going to live this 'love blog' thing down, are they?
I have no intention of letting them do so.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:25:53pm |
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Kragar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:26:23pm |
| 119 |
Four More Tears Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:26:59pm |
Dammit, why do you ladies always swoon over the bad boys?!?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:27:24pm |
re: #116 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I have no intention of letting them do so.
What it reminds me of is that some time back, my local pro-Israel group was at Union Square in San Francisco. So was Women In Black, and, totally coincidentally, so was PETA. One of the PETA guys came over and posed with us, along with his pet chicken.
He informed us, "This is a love chicken, not a meat chicken."
As soon as I heard about the love blog...
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:27:31pm |
re: #112 albusteve
sweeping, wall of sound ballad...
for it's own sake
Black Sabbath[Video]
I still love this one. They did such a good job with this.
Though I must admit: put a full orchestra behind anything and I'll fall for it.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:28:13pm |
re: #102 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, he is pretty good looking.
I just enjoy having a president named Baruch--which, I understand, he's been known to introduce himself as, at Jewish events.
Also, when he still had Rahm Emanuel on staff it was funny because Barak v'Rahm is 'lightning and thunder' in Hebrew.
Ha, that's great! Yeah I was noticing the different Hebrew spellings. In Arabic the root word baraka = blessing, to kneel down, etc. and baraqa = lightning, to shine, glitter, sparkle, flash.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:28:48pm |
re: #119 JasonA
Dammit, why do you ladies always swoon over the bad boys?!?
If I were to ever get straight-married, Eric Holder is the goal. Eric is perfect.
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Kragar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:29:09pm |
re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist
What it reminds me of is that some time back, my local pro-Israel group was at Union Square in San Francisco. So was Women In Black, and, totally coincidentally, so was PETA. One of the PETA guys came over and posed with us, along with his pet chicken.
He informed us, "This is a love chicken, not a meat chicken."
As soon as I heard about the love blog...
Delicious love chicken.
| 125 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:29:41pm |
re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist
What it reminds me of is that some time back, my local pro-Israel group was at Union Square in San Francisco. So was Women In Black, and, totally coincidentally, so was PETA. One of the PETA guys came over and posed with us, along with his pet chicken.
He informed us, "This is a love chicken, not a meat chicken."
As soon as I heard about the love blog...
Oh lord,... e_e
| 126 |
austin_blue Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:31:32pm |
So I was thinking about some of the things DF was posting yesterday inre: to multiculturalism being an abject failure. In my place of work, I associate with a Christian Nigerian engineer, a Nepalese Buddhist engineer, an Indian Hindu geologist, an Indian Muslim Engineer, and a Chinese Zen combo engineer/geologist.
Also, Jews, Catholics, Deists, Theists, Agnostics, Atheists, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Baptists, Episcopalians, Unitarians, black people, white people brown people, yellow people, people of mixed races of all stripes, queers, breeders, fencehoppers, nulls, and pansexuals.
By and large, we all get along famously and are more than happy working together for the common good of the organization.
Where, exactly, has multiculturalism been an "abject failure" in this country? Seems to me it has been a roaring success, at least in Austin.
(No wonder the rest of Texas hates us. Doesn't fit Pointy Boots/Good Hair's meme does it?)
| 127 |
A Man for all Seasons Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:31:54pm |
re: #124 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Delicious love chicken.
The Love chicken tasted much better than the Gaza Rooster...
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:32:17pm |
re: #96 JasonA
I just heard O'Reilly deny that Breivik is in any way a Christian and should be labeled as such.
Oh the irony...
To his credit he gave the Catholic church a hard time over child abuse, but I never heard him say they weren't Christians. They were just bad ones, or misguided, like the Saudis say about their terrorist flock.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:32:29pm |
re: #119 JasonA
Dammit, why do you ladies always swoon over the bad boys?!?
Remember the guy who was upset because Rahm yelled at him at the gym, and wasn't wearing a towel? All I could think was "Rahm Emmanuel with no towel...I could get down with that."
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:33:00pm |
re: #126 austin_blue
So I was thinking about some of the things DF was posting yesterday inre: to multiculturalism being an abject failure. In my place of work, I associate with a Christian Nigerian engineer, a Nepalese Buddhist engineer, an Indian Hindu geologist, an Indian Muslim Engineer, and a Chinese Zen combo engineer/geologist.
Also, Jews, Catholics, Deists, Theists, Agnostics, Atheists, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Baptists, Episcopalians, Unitarians, black people, white people brown people, yellow people, people of mixed races of all stripes, queers, breeders, fencehoppers, nulls, and pansexuals.
By and large, we all get along famously and are more than happy working together for the common good of the organization.
Where, exactly, has multiculturalism been an "abject failure" in this country? Seems to me it has been a roaring success, at least in Austin.
(No wonder the rest of Texas hates us. Doesn't fit Pointy Boots/Good Hair's meme does it?)
I agree re:multicultralism. I went to an as diverse can be public school system (Fairfax County, Virginia) and people by and large got along.
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Kragar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:33:26pm |
re: #127 HoosierHoops
The Love chicken tasted much better than the Gaza Rooster...
Yeah, but I think the Love Chicken was processed via meat slurry
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jaunte Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:33:38pm |
re: #105 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
It is irresponsible in this situation to try to expand his list of victims even further, from hundreds to hundreds of millions of people, by exploiting this atrocity to shut down vital political debates about immigration, Multiculturalism, or Islam in multiple countries. It cannot be allowed to happen.
That monster has already executed many people. He should not be allowed to execute political freedom in the Western world as well.
Looks like that's the official spin; the brave anti-jihadis and Fox News personalities are standing up for free speech.
Walid Phares to Fox News: "If we don't debate issues, extremism will rise, not the opposite"
Liars.
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albusteve Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:34:06pm |
re: #127 HoosierHoops
The Love chicken tasted much better than the Gaza Rooster...
the Rooster...yes
I was bummed with that whole thing
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:34:21pm |
re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist
Remember the guy who was upset because Rahm yelled at him at the gym, and wasn't wearing a towel? All I could think was "Rahm Emmanuel with no towel...I could get down with that."
I bestow Brad Pitt upon you
/Don't worry Angela will be in Ghana for the weekend
//
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:35:06pm |
re: #126 austin_blue
So I was thinking about some of the things DF was posting yesterday inre: to multiculturalism being an abject failure. In my place of work, I associate with a Christian Nigerian engineer, a Nepalese Buddhist engineer, an Indian Hindu geologist, an Indian Muslim Engineer, and a Chinese Zen combo engineer/geologist.
Also, Jews, Catholics, Deists, Theists, Agnostics, Atheists, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Baptists, Episcopalians, Unitarians, black people, white people brown people, yellow people, people of mixed races of all stripes, queers, breeders, fencehoppers, nulls, and pansexuals.
By and large, we all get along famously and are more than happy working together for the common good of the organization.
Where, exactly, has multiculturalism been an "abject failure" in this country? Seems to me it has been a roaring success, at least in Austin.
(No wonder the rest of Texas hates us. Doesn't fit Pointy Boots/Good Hair's meme does it?)
For a long while I was the only WASP at the place where I work.
On the tech team my co-workers are a guy who got flown over from Spain just to do this job and a guy who was born in America but has a pronounced Indian accent.
My immediate boss is of Oriental ancestry while the guy who owns the company and gives the orders is Indian without an accent.
We used to have a black Muslim guy who brought his own Prayer mat and would do the entire worship mecca thing.
But hey I guess Multiculturalism is a failure because DF says so....
(Sorry DF but you really were off base with that comment)
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austin_blue Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:35:54pm |
re: #101 goddamnedfrank
Bread goes in, Christ pops out, you can't explain that!
Two, Four, Six, Eight,
Let's all transubstantiate!
First you get down on your knees,
Fiddle with your rosaries,
Bow your head in deep respect and
(Genuflect genuflect genuflect)
Any Priest can be a showman
When in Rome do as a Roman
Ave, Maria! Gee it's good to see ya,
Doin' the Vatican Rag!
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:36:38pm |
re: #126 austin_blue
So I was thinking about some of the things DF was posting yesterday inre: to multiculturalism being an abject failure. In my place of work, I associate with a Christian Nigerian engineer, a Nepalese Buddhist engineer, an Indian Hindu geologist, an Indian Muslim Engineer, and a Chinese Zen combo engineer/geologist.
I think you miss the fact that many such people, perhaps more outside the USA, are not engineers or geologist. To a great extent unemployable and resentful of that fact.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:36:57pm |
re: #132 jaunte
Looks like that's the official spin; the brave anti-jihadis and Fox News personalities are standing up for free speech.
Walid Phares to Fox News: "If we don't debate issues, extremism will rise, not the opposite"
[Video]Liars.
No one is suggesting that we shouldn't debate.
What people are saying, more assertively, is that we HAVE to debate with foul ideas like this, and call them out for what they are.
These folks don't like that. Hence, their recurrent schtick of "if you challenge us, you are silencing us".
| 139 |
Four More Tears Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:37:03pm |
Multiculturism is most feared by those with a highly tribal world-view.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:37:32pm |
re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist
Remember the guy who was upset because Rahm yelled at him at the gym, and wasn't wearing a towel? All I could think was "Rahm Emmanuel with no towel...I could get down with that."
You are such a naughty girl.
| 141 |
albusteve Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:37:33pm |
I'm very secure down in NM where muliculti was invented on this continent...Hispanios, Natives, Asians, black people, white people and every other color, even Texans and other aliens....it works down here
| 142 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:37:36pm |
re: #134 HoosierHoops
I bestow Brad Pitt upon you
/Don't worry Angela will be in Ghana for the weekend
//
I appreciate it, but Brad's not really my thing...
| 143 |
Kragar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:37:49pm |
"We can't just ignore the messages of National Socialism, Pure Aryan Bloodlines and the Master Race just because a few people took it to extremes."
Coming soon to a RW blogger near you.
| 144 |
jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:38:01pm |
re: #136 austin_blue
Two, Four, Six, Eight,
Let's all transubstantiate!First you get down on your knees,
Fiddle with your rosaries,
Bow your head in deep respect and
(Genuflect genuflect genuflect)Any Priest can be a showman
When in Rome do as a Roman
Ave, Maria! Gee it's good to see ya,
Doin' the Vatican Rag!
Get in line in that processional
Step into that small confessional
There the guy whose got religion'il
Tell you if your sins original.
If it is try playing it safer...
Drink the wine and chew the wafer!
| 145 |
A Man for all Seasons Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:39:17pm |
| 146 |
Kragar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:39:50pm |
| 147 |
Four More Tears Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:39:51pm |
re: #145 HoosierHoops
George Clooney? :)
Are you really going to go through whole Ocean's 11 cast until you find a yes?
| 149 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:40:00pm |
re: #126 austin_blue
So I was thinking about some of the things DF was posting yesterday inre: to multiculturalism being an abject failure. In my place of work, I associate with a Christian Nigerian engineer, a Nepalese Buddhist engineer, an Indian Hindu geologist, an Indian Muslim Engineer, and a Chinese Zen combo engineer/geologist.
Also, Jews, Catholics, Deists, Theists, Agnostics, Atheists, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Baptists, Episcopalians, Unitarians, black people, white people brown people, yellow people, people of mixed races of all stripes, queers, breeders, fencehoppers, nulls, and pansexuals.
By and large, we all get along famously and are more than happy working together for the common good of the organization.
Where, exactly, has multiculturalism been an "abject failure" in this country? Seems to me it has been a roaring success, at least in Austin.
(No wonder the rest of Texas hates us. Doesn't fit Pointy Boots/Good Hair's meme does it?)
Nulls lol.
Yeah, that statement was full of bull. He couldn't back it up, either. Or even define "multiculturalism", whatever the hell that is outside of "Emanuel Goldstein".
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:40:25pm |
re: #142 SanFranciscoZionist
I appreciate it, but Brad's not really my thing...
Me neither. I'm not too crazy about blondes (with the exception of Matthew Matthew McConaughey).
| 151 |
Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:40:27pm |
| 152 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:41:06pm |
re: #145 HoosierHoops
George Clooney? :)
I have to admit, George is pretty hot.
Shemar Moore, if you really want to rock my world, though.
| 154 |
A Man for all Seasons Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:41:20pm |
| 155 |
jaunte Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:41:24pm |
re: #138 SanFranciscoZionist
No one is suggesting that we shouldn't debate.
What people are saying, more assertively, is that we HAVE to debate with foul ideas like this, and call them out for what they are.
These folks don't like that. Hence, their recurrent schtick of "if you challenge us, you are silencing us".
The cry of victimization over debate being somehow 'silenced' is especially delicious when the victim chooses to cover their ass by closing comments on their own love blog.
| 156 |
watching you tiny alien kittens are Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:41:52pm |
OMG! Stealth Sprinkler repair Inc. snuck in and fixed the rest of our sprinklers in the middle of the night! Now how is the board going to get an assessment passed to pay for repairing them?
My extremely childish tantrum at the next board meeting seems to have been averted...Thank you Stealth Sprinkler Man whoever you are!
///(bwahahahaha!)
| 157 |
albusteve Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:42:03pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:42:06pm |
re: #152 SanFranciscoZionist
I have to admit, George is pretty hot.
Shemar Moore, if you really want to rock my world, though.
Googled him, new to me!
Thank you!
| 160 |
zora Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:42:17pm |
re: #119 JasonA
if i could make a man from scratch, he would end up looking just like jason momoa (ronan from stargate atlantis) and he's going to be conan the barbarian. i think that's about as bad as you can get. [Link: www.imdb.com...]
| 161 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:42:44pm |
re: #155 jaunte
The cry of victimization over debate being somehow 'silenced' is especially delicious when the victim chooses to cover their ass by closing comments on their own love blog.
I just find the absolute uniformity of their responses interesting. "This is tragic, but we must fight back against those who will use it to silence our ideas."
Have they been practicing in case something like this happened?
Really, have they?
| 162 |
CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:43:07pm |
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albusteve Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:43:09pm |
re: #160 zora
if i could make a man from scratch, he would end up looking just like jason momoa (ronan from stargate atlantis) and he's going to be conan the barbarian. i think that's about as bad as you can get. [Link: www.imdb.com...]
call my office
| 164 |
Four More Tears Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:43:11pm |
re: #160 zora
if i could make a man from scratch, he would end up looking just like jason momoa (ronan from stargate atlantis) and he's going to be conan the barbarian. i think that's about as bad as you can get. [Link: www.imdb.com...]
You should watch Game of Thrones. See lots of Momoa skin.
| 165 |
jaunte Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:43:20pm |
re: #161 SanFranciscoZionist
It's the corner they've painted themselves into.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:43:27pm |
re: #132 jaunte
Looks like that's the official spin; the brave anti-jihadis and Fox News personalities are standing up for free speech.
Walid Phares to Fox News: "If we don't debate issues, extremism will rise, not the opposite"
[Video]Liars.
"Teach the controversy!!!!!1!!!!!11@""
| 167 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:44:03pm |
re: #161 SanFranciscoZionist
I just find the absolute uniformity of their responses interesting. "This is tragic, but we must fight back against those who will use it to silence our ideas."
Have they been practicing in case something like this happened?
Really, have they?
For about 500 years, by my count.
| 168 |
Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:44:19pm |
| 169 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:44:26pm |
re: #160 zora
if i could make a man from scratch, he would end up looking just like jason momoa (ronan from stargate atlantis) and he's going to be conan the barbarian. i think that's about as bad as you can get. [Link: www.imdb.com...]
Oh my. Yes, very nice indeed.
| 170 |
austin_blue Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:44:42pm |
re: #130 HappyWarrior
I agree re:multicultralism. I went to an as diverse can be public school system (Fairfax County, Virginia) and people by and large got along.
I was graduated from W.T. Woodsen.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:44:53pm |
re: #149 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Nulls lol.
Yeah, that statement was full of bull. He couldn't back it up, either. Or even define "multiculturalism", whatever the hell that is outside of "Emanuel Goldstein".
Multiculturalism, in practice, does not mean cultures mingling freely with each other as if they are all equal, except they go home and cook different meals.
It means groups of different cultures living largely separately, working largely separately, speaking largely different first languages and then supposedly loving each other at the same time.
People aren't like that and this kind of semantic distortion is what gets us in trouble.
| 173 |
Varek Raith Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:45:15pm |
re: #119 JasonA
Dammit, why do you ladies always swoon over the bad boys?!?
Chicks, how do they fucking work???
/
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:45:34pm |
re: #171 Naso Tang
It means groups of different cultures living largely separately, working largely separately, speaking largely different first languages and then supposedly loving each other at the same time.
Says who?
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:45:56pm |
re: #156 ausador
OMG! Stealth Sprinkler repair Inc. snuck in and fixed the rest of our sprinklers in the middle of the night! Now how is the board going to get an assessment passed to pay for repairing them?
My extremely childish tantrum at the next board meeting seems to have been averted...Thank you Stealth Sprinkler Man whoever you are!
///(bwahahahaha!)
Why didn't you think of that?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:46:27pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:47:20pm |
re: #171 Naso Tang
Multiculturalism, in practice, does not mean cultures mingling freely with each other as if they are all equal, except they go home and cook different meals.
It means groups of different cultures living largely separately, working largely separately, speaking largely different first languages and then supposedly loving each other at the same time.
People aren't like that and this kind of semantic distortion is what gets us in trouble.
What counts as 'in practice'? That's not my experience. Nor, it seems, is it Austin's. I live in a multicultural community, teach in multicultural schools. What isn't real about what's going on in my classroom or my neighborhood?
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Boyo Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:47:20pm |
lol
Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) outlined the GOP's debt-ceiling plan to conservative commentator Rush Limbaugh on Monday before showing it to his conference.
[Link: thehill.com...]
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:48:02pm |
re: #171 Naso Tang
Multiculturalism, in practice, does not mean cultures mingling freely with each other as if they are all equal, except they go home and cook different meals.
It means groups of different cultures living largely separately, working largely separately, speaking largely different first languages and then supposedly loving each other at the same time.
People aren't like that and this kind of semantic distortion is what gets us in trouble.
Then what do you call Americas current policy of welcoming all people who come here and are willing agree to be Americans with no preferences or punishments involved based upon where they came from, and people are allowed to practice whatever religion they wish without the government giving out favor to any exactly?
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:48:06pm |
re: #174 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Says who?
I do for one. You don't have a monopoly on language. However in reality my definition is what exists in places like France and parts further north and that they used to think would work. It hasn't.
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Kragar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:48:10pm |
My wife has a crush on Matt Lewis right now.
[Link: www.google.com...]
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:49:06pm |
re: #178 Boyo
lol
Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) outlined the GOP's debt-ceiling plan to conservative commentator Rush Limbaugh on Monday before showing it to his conference.
[Link: thehill.com...]
Now, that's just sad. Talk about being under Rush's thumb.
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windsagio Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:49:46pm |
re: #182 albusteve
only real important culture is the White Protestant one. Look at all the great things it gave us!
(Am I joking... or not? >>)
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:49:53pm |
re: #180 Naso Tang
You don't have a monopoly on language.
Nor do you. I haven't even attempted to define the term, I've only asked what the eff it's supposed to be.
However in reality my definition is what exists in places like France and parts further north
Says you.
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windsagio Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:50:12pm |
hope this sutpid thing is actually on time for once, I'll be annoyed.
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austin_blue Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:50:22pm |
re: #137 Naso Tang
I think you miss the fact that many such people, perhaps more outside the USA, are not engineers or geologist. To a great extent unemployable and resentful of that fact.
My point is that it not that way *here*. I suspect that in a lot of other countries, their lack of social mobility is societal, not because of any inherent inferiority in the immigrant population. That's the difference between us and them.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:50:31pm |
Idris Elba, Javier Bardem *swoon*
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albusteve Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:50:45pm |
re: #183 HappyWarrior
Now, that's just sad. Talk about being under Rush's thumb.
might not even be true...99% of that shit is bullshit...another headline, more hits
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Four More Tears Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:51:17pm |
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:51:50pm |
re: #182 albusteve
multiculti is like quicksand
I don't understand... You wrote a glowing post about multiculturalism in NM an hour ago...Why is it now quick sand?
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:52:06pm |
re: #177 SanFranciscoZionist
What counts as 'in practice'? That's not my experience. Nor, it seems, is it Austin's. I live in a multicultural community, teach in multicultural schools. What isn't real about what's going on in my classroom or my neighborhood?
The US is different than Europe for many reasons, and I am talking about Europe, and Scandinavia where things have developed somewhat differently, which is not to say we don't have any comparable situations anywhere here.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:52:51pm |
re: #179 jamesfirecat
Then what do you call Americas current policy of welcoming all people who come here and are willing agree to be Americans with no preferences or punishments involved based upon where they came from, and people are allowed to practice whatever religion they wish without the government giving out favor to any exactly?
Well, I call it the law based on promises and ideals set forth in the late 1700s.
Naso Tang's own personal definition is closer to what I understand of Dutch Tolerance as it's done in the post WW2 era. That was real "separate but equal", i.e. the government funds groups separately but equally. But that has a long famous history over there.
Here, well, we have our own problems with that.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:53:21pm |
re: #185 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Says you.
You should read more or, better still, travel more.
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albusteve Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:53:44pm |
re: #191 HoosierHoops
I don't understand... You wrote a glowing post about multiculturalism in NM an hour ago...Why is it now quick sand?
the debate here is...not NM
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:53:57pm |
re: #184 windsagio
only real important culture is the White Protestant one. Look at all the great things it gave us!
(Am I joking... or not? >>)
Dunno, but I would say it's given us an extremely mixed bag.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:54:20pm |
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windsagio Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:55:17pm |
re: #197 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
You know how it is, everybody always thinks their own culture is inherently superior. That's the whole basis of resistance.
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zora Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:55:17pm |
re: #188 CuriousLurker
idris elba. definitely. sop up with a biscuit, fine. he has a "newer" crime series, luther. it's on netflix.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:55:22pm |
re: #195 Naso Tang
You should read more or, better still, travel more.
Or maybe your own definition is not THE definition. Perhaps there is no one definition.
Yes, I like that answer much better.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:55:32pm |
re: #175 Naso Tang
Why didn't you think of that?
I have been under a lot of stress lately what with going sober and all, I guess even though I am so hyper that I can't sit still for ten minutes, barely sleep, and also spend all of my time cleaning or fixing stuff in my own or in my neighbors units that the thought of avoiding an assessment charge by fixing the sprinklers myself just never occurred to me?
/// *snort,snicker,gasp*
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:56:15pm |
re: #196 albusteve
the debate here is...not NM
Not following you Steve-o.. Here comes the Obama Speech in 5 minutes...
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jaunte Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:56:18pm |
re: #201 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Stanford has a pretty extensive definition; I found this yesterday:
[Link: plato.stanford.edu...]
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:56:52pm |
re: #199 windsagio
You know how it is, everybody always thinks their own culture is inherently superior. That's the whole basis of resistance.
Not everybody. lol
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Four More Tears Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:57:03pm |
re: #203 HoosierHoops
Not following you Steve-o.. Here comes the Obama Speech in 5 minutes...
Who did we kill this time?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:57:03pm |
re: #192 Naso Tang
The US is different than Europe for many reasons, and I am talking about Europe, and Scandinavia where things have developed somewhat differently, which is not to say we don't have any comparable situations anywhere here.
I'm willing to accept that places in Europe are having difficulty working with large immigrant communities, however, I've lived in London, which is a pretty damn multicultural city (and doesn't consider itself to be in Europe, so there is that.)
I guess my point here is that you're talking as though what you're describing is 'multiculturalism', and that's what it 'really' means. I disagree. And if we're going to talk about Europe, we need to be really, really clear about what they did that turned out so very badly, assuming that it did. (I get differing reports on that.) In my neck of the woods, it's facts on the ground, not a government policy, or an immigration pattern.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:57:18pm |
re: #162 CuriousLurker
Girl, see what you were missing??
yeah, yeah, yeah.
I like a guy who's hot, AND makes me laugh;
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:57:40pm |
re: #187 austin_blue
My point is that it not that way *here*. I suspect that in a lot of other countries, their lack of social mobility is societal, not because of any inherent inferiority in the immigrant population. That's the difference between us and them.
Yes there are different factors like that, but it may also have to do with the criteria set for immigrants. I think we have relatively few "asylum" immigrants in the USA compared to Europe, and our illegal population is different.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:57:43pm |
re: #171 Naso Tang
Multiculturalism, in practice, does not mean cultures mingling freely with each other as if they are all equal, except they go home and cook different meals.
It means groups of different cultures living largely separately, working largely separately, speaking largely different first languages and then supposedly loving each other at the same time.
People aren't like that and this kind of semantic distortion is what gets us in trouble.
That's not multiculturalism, what you're describing sounds more like ethnic balkanization or informal apartheid.
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windsagio Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:57:48pm |
re: #205 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Well if I were being difficult I'd say that the culture of acceptance is the same thing, but I don't really believe that.
Can we agree that its the basic human condition and has to be overcome?
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Kragar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:57:58pm |
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austin_blue Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:58:09pm |
re: #188 CuriousLurker
Idris Elba, Javier Bardem *swoon*
"My boyfriend's Avon fine, but he's not Stringer Bell fine."
Heard on the streets of Baltimore during the run of "The Wire".
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:58:12pm |
re: #200 zora
idris elba. definitely. sop up with a biscuit, fine. he has a "newer" crime series, luther. it's on netflix.
Ooo, I'll have to look for that. Thanks!
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windsagio Mon, Jul 25, 2011 5:59:24pm |
re: #210 goddamnedfrank
Reminds me of a particularly awful coworker I once had (WUB knew her too).
She used to say that New York wasn't racist because "The italians stuck to their neighborhood, the Peurto Ricans stuck to theirs, the chinese stuck to theirs, etc etc."
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:00:00pm |
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windsagio Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:00:12pm |
re: #212 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I would take Soulcalibur cheese over Warhammer cheese any day :p
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Political Atheist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:00:33pm |
Sure would be nice if the feed for tonight's talk by President Obama could be embedded, but it's flash so all I can do is a link. Unless somebody knows of an embeddable link?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:00:47pm |
re: #215 windsagio
Reminds me of a particularly awful coworker I once had (WUB knew her too).
She used to say that New York wasn't racist because "The italians stuck to their neighborhood, the Peurto Ricans stuck to theirs, the chinese stuck to theirs, etc etc."
And that does happen, albeit, usually only for the first generation.
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windsagio Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:01:18pm |
re: #219 SanFranciscoZionist
the problem is present it as a positive value :p
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:01:26pm |
re: #201 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Or maybe your own definition is not THE definition. Perhaps there is no one definition.
Yes, I like that answer much better.
I have found that when any argument relies on ambiguous semantic definitions it either dies a death or new definitions need to be found. In my case I referenced Europe and in Europe my definition is more accurate than yours in the way it has developed, whether one would have liked it different or not.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:01:56pm |
Obama is on...
[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:02:10pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:02:24pm |
re: #19 Rightwingconspirator
I doubt that that an Executive Order would be the vehicle chosen to do so. But, anything is possible.
An executive order cannot conflict with an act of Congress. If Congress says no borrowing over limit X, the President cannot unilaterally declare limit Y.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:02:33pm |
I'm fascinated by the whole beefcake spinoff discussion.
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Kragar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:02:44pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:03:06pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:03:32pm |
re: #204 jaunte
Stanford has a pretty extensive definition; I found this yesterday:
[Link: plato.stanford.edu...]
Yeah, I've seen the Stanford definition. It's US-centric but lays out the issues pretty well I think.
They left off one source from their bib, which I happen to own (I also happen to know the authors.) Mapping Multiculturalism
It's actually one of those edited volumes that are really the papers given at an academic conference of the same theme, some time in 92. I was an attendee.
Sure cured me of the notion of "multiculturalism", not in a negative way, but there were lots of salient criticisms of what was going on, and this was in the middle of the fad. AND coming from just the type of professors the cultural/social cons h-a-t-e, too.
There's a lot more to this debate than people think.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:03:55pm |
re: #227 Dark_Falcon
An executive order cannot conflict with an act of Congress. If Congress says no borrowing over limit X, the President cannot unilaterally declare limit Y.
An act of Congress can't conflict with a Constitutional Amendment, so we're in a pretty little pickle.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:04:02pm |
"Neither Party is blameless" but we know which party he's going to blame.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:05:10pm |
And here we have Obama pumping up his plan. Next will come the distortion and bashing of the GOP plan.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:05:11pm |
re: #213 austin_blue
"My boyfriend's Avon fine, but he's not Stringer Bell fine."
Heard on the streets of Baltimore during the run of "The Wire".
LOL!
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:05:40pm |
re: #211 windsagio
Well if I were being difficult I'd say that the culture of acceptance is the same thing, but I don't really believe that.
Can we agree that its the basic human condition and has to be overcome?
To some degree, yeah I'd agree. But I don't think things are inherently that way, I think people make and allow them to remain that way. So yes it can definitely be overcome. Will it? To my mind, very unlikely.
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Lidane Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:05:41pm |
re: #237 Dark_Falcon
"Neither Party is blameless" but we know which party he's going to blame.
The one that got everything they wanted and STILL rejected the Reid plan?
The one that spent six months beating the Default Is No Big Deal drum, and now wants to cut a deal t avoid a default?
The one that is championing a short-term debt limit increase that they spent weeks opposing?
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Kragar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:05:48pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:05:52pm |
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windsagio Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:06:02pm |
I do like the speech tho', he's focusing directly on their utterly insane tax position.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:06:04pm |
re: #239 Dark_Falcon
And here we have Obama pumping up his plan. Next will come the distortion and bashing of the GOP plan.
Dark the current GOP plan bashes itself.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:06:20pm |
re: #239 Dark_Falcon
And here we have Obama pumping up his plan. Next will come the distortion and bashing of the GOP plan.
The one that requires the Constitutional Amendment?
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Lidane Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:06:42pm |
re: #245 Dark_Falcon
Distorted.
and here comes the blaming of the GOP.
They deserve all the blame. They've been nothing but obstructionist assholes during the entire process.
If we default, it should be tied around their necks like an anchor.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:07:43pm |
re: #242 Lidane
The one that got everything they wanted and STILL rejected the Reid plan?
The one that spent six months beating the Default Is No Big Deal drum, and now wants to cut a deal t avoid a default?
The one that is championing a short-term debt limit increase that they spent weeks opposing?
The plan Harry Reid showed today is a sham. It relies on "war savings" and defense cuts while leaving Medicare to grow unabated. It's a crock. The plan John Boener is better by a good margin.
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Kragar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:07:43pm |
re: #250 windsagio
Looks like Dune :D
But I'll watch 'em later. Pres is on :D
I'll wait for the highlights.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:07:50pm |
re: #248 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
The one that requires the Constitutional Amendment?
Yeah, the one that requires that a Constitutional Amendment passes before raising the debt ceiling.
How the hell long to these fools think it'll take to pass said amendment?
Completely unrealistic.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:08:19pm |
re: #251 Dark_Falcon
The plan Harry Reid showed today is a sham. It relies on "war savings" and defense cuts while leaving Medicare to grow unabated. It's a crock. The plan John Boener unveiled is better by a good margin.
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Lidane Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:08:26pm |
re: #251 Dark_Falcon
The plan Harry Reid showed today is a sham. It relies on "war savings" and defense cuts while leaving Medicare to grow unabated. It's a crock. The plan John Boener is better by a good margin.
Boehner's is Ryan's plan on steroids. It would be a disaster.
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:08:46pm |
How dare Obama ask Millionaires and Billionaires to pay pre-Bush tax rates!
/
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windsagio Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:08:47pm |
Lol, Reagan card. I can hear Conservative heads explode as they try to shift paradigms without a clutch.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:08:57pm |
re: #251 Dark_Falcon
The plan Harry Reid showed today is a sham. It relies on "war savings" and defense cuts while leaving Medicare to grow unabated. It's a crock. The plan John Boener is better by a good margin.
What is "better about it" to you Dark?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:09:01pm |
re: #254 Varek Raith
Yeah, the one that requires that a Constitutional Amendment passes before raising the debt ceiling.
How the hell long to these fools think it'll take to pass said amendment?
Completely unrealistic.
No, Boener himself said today that "cut-cap-and-balance" is no longer on the table.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:09:38pm |
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austin_blue Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:10:04pm |
re: #209 Naso Tang
Yes there are different factors like that, but it may also have to do with the criteria set for immigrants. I think we have relatively few "asylum" immigrants in the USA compared to Europe, and our illegal population is different.
I'll disagree. Most of the C-stores in Texas are run by Muslims from Palestine, India, and Pakistan. Most of the dry cleaners and do-nut shops are run by Koreans. Most of the cabbies here are foreign born, as are a huge number of C-store clerks. No matter how they get here, they get their asses to work and bust their balls to get their kids a good education. they do this because they *can* in this country. My reasoning is that they aren't treated/allowed to do so in other cultures.
Try being a Korean in Japan, a Turk in Germany, or a North African in France. A completely different story over there.
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windsagio Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:10:15pm |
I hate the hell out of the fake background, but damn can he give a speech.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:10:32pm |
re: #254 Varek Raith
Yeah, the one that requires that a Constitutional Amendment passes before raising the debt ceiling.
How the hell long to these fools think it'll take to pass said amendment?
Completely unrealistic.
Republicans are so full of shit.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:10:37pm |
I can't fucking believe that fucking Phyllis Chesler referred to this as 'infidel-on-infidel violence'.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:10:40pm |
re: #257 Rightwingconspirator
Love the Reagan reference!
He overlooks the way Tip O'Neil played rope-a-dope and ultimately refused to implement the cuts Reagan also agreed to. This time, we need some non-defense cuts up front, to make sure they are done.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:10:49pm |
re: #260 windsagio
Lol, Reagan card. I can hear Conservative heads explode as they try to shift paradigms without a clutch.
Screw that Tea Party crap, it was correct then and it is correct today more than ever.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:11:14pm |
re: #262 Dark_Falcon
No, Boener himself said today that "cut-cap-and-balance" is no longer on the table.
Good. /Schadenfreude
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:11:25pm |
re: #210 goddamnedfrank
That's not multiculturalism, what you're describing sounds more like ethnic balkanization or informal apartheid.
That's true, it is also what multiculturalism has become in places. I think the word is prone to misuse because if the idealistic meaning is taken any significant differences become irrelevant (assuming we discount racial features), and then we really have only one culture with lots of variety.
If one insists on calling it many cultures, then one has to be able to define those cultures as clearly distinct from each other, and then we end up with separate groups again. They won't always fight, but they will compete as groups in one way or another, not as individuals.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:11:43pm |
re: #259 HoosierHoops
How dare Obama ask Millionaires and Billionaires to pay pre-Bush tax rates!
/
Yeah it's class warfare if we expect that though. Seriously, why shouldn't they have to make sacrifices? It's pure greed if you ask me to get your shit bunched up during every proposed tax increase. Tax increases I agree aren't always the answer but to completely rule it out is equally if not more absurd.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:11:51pm |
re: #265 windsagio
I hate the hell out of the fake background, but damn can he give a speech.
A scripted one. President Obama isn't as good off the cuff.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:11:57pm |
re: #267 SanFranciscoZionist
I can't fucking believe that fucking Phyllis Chesler referred to this as 'infidel-on-infidel violence'.
Disappointed in her, ugh.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:11:57pm |
re: #268 Dark_Falcon
He overlooks the way Tip O'Neil played rope-a-dope and ultimately refused to implement the cuts Reagan also agreed to. This time, we need some non-defense cuts up front, to make sure they are done.
No, what we need up front is a clean bill raising the debt ceiling like we've had EVERY OTHER TIME IN OUR HISTORY.
Once America is in the clear we can start talking about this nickle and dime BS, if we default then America is DONE as a superpower.
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windsagio Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:12:12pm |
it was also smart of obama hitting the 'yeah I'm rich, I can afford the extra taxes, let alone people richer than me'.
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Lidane Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:12:23pm |
re: #266 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Republicans are so full of shit.
They've been full of shit for decades.
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TedStriker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:12:23pm |
re: #102 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, he is pretty good looking.
I just enjoy having a president named Baruch--which, I understand, he's been known to introduce himself as, at Jewish events.
Also, when he still had Rahm Emanuel on staff it was funny because Barak v'Rahm is 'lightning and thunder' in Hebrew.
That was a perfect name combination, no matter what your political bent is.
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Randall Gross Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:12:23pm |
The Live Stream on now
[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:12:47pm |
re: #274 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Disappointed in her, ugh.
She's not stupid. She knows what the language she's using means.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:13:10pm |
re: #268 Dark_Falcon
He overlooks the way Tip O'Neil played rope-a-dope and ultimately refused to implement the cuts Reagan also agreed to. This time, we need some non-defense cuts up front, to make sure they are done.
That's okay, it's an unimportant historical note today. Let's see if this congress would dare do the same. I think not.
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windsagio Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:13:23pm |
re: #273 Cannadian Club Akbar
He was pretty damn good in that student thing that went out a while back.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:13:28pm |
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:13:35pm |
re: #277 Lidane
They've been full of shit for decades.
Sadly the Republican party recently reached its Bullshit Limit and so excess bullshit must now be allowed to flow out of its body through every opening...
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:13:43pm |
re: #270 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Good. /Schadenfreude
It was never a good plan. The plan unveiled today is better. It raises the debt ceiling in two steps and while requiring a vote on a balanced budget amendment, it does not mandate that said amendment pass. It requires some of the needed cuts up front, which prevents shenanigans.
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windsagio Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:14:10pm |
re: #281 Rightwingconspirator
Gotta be careful bringing up old stuff, don't wanna remember the guy was a criminal that sold weapons to effing Iran :p
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Varek Raith Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:14:21pm |
re: #268 Dark_Falcon
He overlooks the way Tip O'Neil played rope-a-dope and ultimately refused to implement the cuts Reagan also agreed to. This time, we need some non-defense cuts up front, to make sure they are done.
Does it bother you that many corporations have negative income taxes?
That the GOP protects these loopholes?
Close those, then will talk about cutting social programs.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:14:44pm |
re: #273 Cannadian Club Akbar
A scripted one. President Obama isn't as good off the cuff.
Telepromter!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:15:21pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:15:42pm |
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jaunte Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:15:54pm |
"Every man cannot have his way in all things"
vs.
"Don't Tread on Meeee!"
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windsagio Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:16:00pm |
re: #289 Cannadian Club Akbar
Real presidents goddamn memorize their speeches tho' Politicians are so freakin' lazy these days.
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Lidane Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:16:02pm |
re: #285 Dark_Falcon
It was never a good plan. The plan unveiled today is better. It raises the debt ceiling in two steps and while requiring a vote on a balanced budget amendment, it does not mandate that said amendment pass. It requires some of the needed cuts up front, which prevents shenanigans.
It doesn't do a damned thing to solve the problems we're having and it gives the assholes in the House GOP the ability to prolong this debt ceiling debate longer.
Screw that. Pass a clean bill or expect the GOP to get blamed for a default.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:16:23pm |
re: #281 Rightwingconspirator
That's okay, it's an unimportant historical note today. Let's see if this congress would dare do the same. I think not.
I think the Dems are counting on kicking the 'cut can' down the road till after the 2012 election, then forget about it. And if Republicans remind them of the need for the agreed cuts, the New York Timeswill call the GOP "heartless" and "cruel" again.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:16:44pm |
re: #286 windsagio
Criminals have been convicted in a court of law. That never even happened to Nixon. But thanks for your opinion.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:17:24pm |
re: #294 Dark_Falcon
I think the Dems are counting on kicking the 'cut can' down the road till after the 2012 election, then forget about it. And if Republicans remind them of the need for the agreed cuts, the New York Timeswill call the GOP "heartless" and "cruel" again.
If the GOP causes our economy to tank by for the first time in American history demanding to get political favors/points in exchange for preventing a default, they are no longer fit to be a political party.
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Lidane Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:17:35pm |
Also, balanced budget amendments are provably a stupid idea. They don't work.
See: Budget Deficit, Texas.
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Sionainn Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:17:37pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:17:57pm |
re: #293 Lidane
It doesn't do a damned thing to solve the problems we're having and it gives the assholes in the House GOP the ability to prolong this debt ceiling debate longer.
Screw that. Pass a clean bill or expect the GOP to get blamed for a default.
You can take your demand for a clean bill and stick it! The GOP will not for such a thing, period. We're going to get the cuts this time, and that's just that with that.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:18:03pm |
re: #296 windsagio
... wait.
That wasn't a bluescreen?
Not blue screen unless it's a blue tunnel. :-)
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darthstar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:18:34pm |
I don't think the President needed to "make news" tonight. I think letting the country know that the Republican leadership is powerless to move forward on its own and will need to work with the Democrats is news enough.
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windsagio Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:18:44pm |
re: #302 Rightwingconspirator
Technology is so crazy now. If it was computer generated background, I'm impressed :p
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:18:58pm |
re: #232 Dark_Falcon
It's the usual "Blame Bush" BS.
What do you find wrong with that? The buck stops there doesn't it?
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windsagio Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:18:58pm |
re: #297 Rightwingconspirator
Only crime is getting caught, I know :p
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:19:15pm |
re: #294 Dark_Falcon
I think the Dems are counting on kicking the 'cut can' down the road till after the 2012 election, then forget about it. And if Republicans remind them of the need for the agreed cuts, the New York Timeswill call the GOP "heartless" and "cruel" again.
Honestly why shouldn't the GOP get tarred with the heartless and cruel label? Seems to me that they by and large refuse any tax increase but are all too eager to cut social programs which do help people despite what they want to say. I am not saying I am opposed to any cuts but to think cuts are the only solution and any tax increase is awful is narrow minded to the core on their part.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:19:21pm |
re: #301 Dark_Falcon
You can take your demand for a clean bill and stick it! The GOP will not for such a thing, period. We're going to get the cuts this time, and that's just that with that.
What the f*** Dark?
If its a clean bill or a default which side do you vote for?
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engineer cat Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:19:23pm |
i am about at the end of my patience with people who think only of protecting the tax breaks of the wealthy and corporations
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bratwurst Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:19:32pm |
re: #301 Dark_Falcon
You can take your demand for a clean bill and stick it! The GOP will not for such a thing, period. We're going to get the cuts this time, and that's just that with that.
Classy.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:19:32pm |
re: #226 SanFranciscoZionist
The kinds of leftists and multi-culturalists whose children Breivik fiendishly chose to massacre, are the kinds of leftists who persuaded the Norwegian government to stop funding this excellent website.
Personal axe to grind, ugh.
Native Norwegians have learned to live cautiously. Gay couples dare not hold hands in public in parts of Oslo.
Gay-pandering card, ugh. The gay card should be banned from these discussions. Unfortunately I'm on her side over that stupid "Israeli Apartheid Week" baloney that got dumped from the New York LGBT center.
Allow me to repeat myself: I condemn the mass murder of innocent and unarmed civilians no matter what the cause.
But
For heavens sake Phyllis, just stfu.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:19:32pm |
re: #306 windsagio
Technology is so crazy now. If it was computer generated background, I'm impressed :p
I want CGI Zombies!!!
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Lidane Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:19:39pm |
re: #301 Dark_Falcon
You can take your demand for a clean bill and stick it! The GOP will not for such a thing, period. We're going to get the cuts this time, and that's just that with that.
Because winning an election is 2012 is more important than preserving our economic health now, right?
That's all this pathetic grandstanding bullshit from the GOP is. They're trying to humiliate Obama to make him a one-termer, just like they tried to get Clinton out in '95 by shutting down the government. It's political theater writ large except this time the GOP will destroy the country in the process.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:19:39pm |
re: #306 windsagio
Technology is so crazy now. If it was computer generated background, I'm impressed :p
I doubt it. We saw Obama walking down the hall, so I'm pretty sure it was real.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:20:33pm |
Dear GOP,
Winning by any means necessary is a terrible way to win.
Don't bitch if it comes back and bites you in the ass.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:20:34pm |
re: #301 Dark_Falcon
You can take your demand for a clean bill and stick it! The GOP will not for such a thing, period. We're going to get the cuts this time, and that's just that with that.
LOL, you're such a tough guy.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:20:58pm |
re: #306 windsagio
Technology is so crazy now. If it was computer generated background, I'm impressed :p
I was really impressed by the speech. Dragon_Lady like the speech so much she just may vote Obama, kind of a shocka. She is no TP supporter but feels more strongly than I do about balancing the budget. In favor of a BB amendment.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:21:06pm |
re: #317 darthstar
Fuck this guy is orange.
And he's wearing a green tie. Big deal. As with Obama, hear him for his cause, not his looks.
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albusteve Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:21:12pm |
re: #312 engineer dog
i am about at the end of my patience with people who think only of protecting the tax breaks of the wealthy and corporations
then what?
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windsagio Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:21:39pm |
re: #316 Cannadian Club Akbar
I want CGI Zombies!!!
I don't know if it would be good or terrible.
Campaign video of the President fighting off zombies made up to look like prominent Republicans.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:21:54pm |
re: #323 Dark_Falcon
And he's wearing a green tie. Big deal. As with Obama, hear him for his cause, not his looks.
Dark, what I want to hear right now is you tell me...
Clean Bill Versus Default... if its one or the other... what do you vote for?
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darthstar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:22:00pm |
re: #323 Dark_Falcon
And he's wearing a green tie. Big deal. As with Obama, hear him for his cause, not his looks.
He's lying to you right now. "President Obama won't take yes for an answer?"
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:22:00pm |
re: #285 Dark_Falcon
The plan unveiled today is better. It raises the debt ceiling in two steps and while requiring a vote on a balanced budget amendment, it does not mandate that said amendment pass.
Then it's just political showbiz.
Steve's right to an extent -- all of this is political showbiz.
Maybe I shouldn't, but I do take some pleasure watching conservative handwringing and rage at Obama over it.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:22:01pm |
re: #320 Varek Raith
Dear GOP,
Winning by any means necessary is a terrible way to win.
Don't bitch if it comes back and bites you in the ass.
Dear Democrats,
Moving the goalposts to get some more tax revenue doesn't look good nor is it honest.
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Lidane Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:22:15pm |
re: #323 Dark_Falcon
Except that Boehner doesn't have a cause apart from destroying the country to try and beat Obama in 2012.
It's scorched earth politics but the rest of the world is going to burn because of the GOP's idiocy.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:22:51pm |
re: #301 Dark_Falcon
You can take your demand for a clean bill and stick it! The GOP will not for such a thing, period. We're going to get the cuts this time, and that's just that with that.
Oh my, touchy-touchy.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:22:54pm |
re: #301 Dark_Falcon
You can take your demand for a clean bill and stick it! The GOP will not for such a thing, period. We're going to get the cuts this time, and that's just that with that.
Geez, some dinger just can't get it.
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albusteve Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:22:58pm |
re: #323 Dark_Falcon
And he's wearing a green tie. Big deal. As with Obama, hear him for his cause, not his looks.
he's Irish
O'Bama
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engineer cat Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:23:05pm |
re: #301 Dark_Falcon
You can take your demand for a clean bill and stick it! The GOP will not for such a thing, period. We're going to get the cuts this time, and that's just that with that.
excuse me, i am a citizen of this country as well, sir
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Jdorfma4 Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:23:08pm |
Boehner is doubling down on his Cut cap and Kill the Economy bullshit. I'm selling my bonds in the AM, this is going to end badly.
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darthstar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:23:09pm |
re: #329 Dark_Falcon
Dear Democrats,
Moving the goalposts to get some more tax revenue doesn't look good nor is it honest.
What's dishonest about saying we're going to raise taxes to pay our debts? That's a lot more honest than "tax cuts will create jobs"...how long has America been sucking on that schlong?
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Lidane Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:23:39pm |
re: #335 Jdorfma4
Boehner is doubling down on his Cut cap and Kill the Economy bullshit. I'm selling my bonds in the AM, this is going to end badly.
Probably a smart move.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:23:42pm |
re: #326 jamesfirecat
Dark, what I want to hear right now is you tell me...
Clean Bill Versus Default... if its one or the other... what do you vote for?
It won't be a real default. The bondholders will still be paid.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:23:49pm |
re: #329 Dark_Falcon
Dear Democrats,
Moving the goalposts to get some more tax revenue doesn't look good nor is it honest.
Dear Dark Falcon
Saying "No" to 2.7 Trillion in tax cuts only and then claiming the other side is moving the goal posts doesn't look good nor is it honest.
[Link: www.washingtonmonthly.com...]
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Lidane Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:24:08pm |
re: #338 Dark_Falcon
It won't be a real default. The bondholders will still be paid.
And our credit rating will STILL be downgraded, "real" default or not.
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Alexzander Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:24:35pm |
re: #329 Dark_Falcon
Dear Democrats,
Moving the goalposts to get some more tax revenue doesn't look good nor is it honest.
What republican/conservative websites do you follow and respect? I am guessing RedState.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:24:38pm |
re: #334 engineer dog
excuse me, i am a citizen of this country as well, sir
Not in conservative dhimmitude land, you're not.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:24:51pm |
Just me, or was Boehner actually speaking from an echo chamber...?
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:24:59pm |
re: #338 Dark_Falcon
It won't be a real default. The bondholders will still be paid.
Wow...
So you're in the "it won't be so bad to default camp"
Dark... what do you see happening August 3rd then.
Spell it out to me...
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:25:03pm |
re: #334 engineer dog
excuse me, i am a citizen of this country as well, sir
I did not say you are not, sir.
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darthstar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:25:17pm |
re: #343 JasonA
Just me, or was Boehner actually speaking from an echo chamber...?
It's in their blood.
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Lidane Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:25:39pm |
re: #343 JasonA
Just me, or was Boehner actually speaking from an echo chamber...?
That's a Republican feature, not a bug.
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Jdorfma4 Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:25:52pm |
re: #340 Lidane
yes, even if the coupons are paid the rates will rise to reflect the risk premium and the value of my bond holdings will plummett. I'm short duration but still, a one percent drop will crush my holdings. Boehner is really intent on this now.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:25:58pm |
re: #308 windsagio
Only crime is getting caught, I know :p
He didn't get caught? Sure looked like it to me when he admitted it happened. Hey I'm sure we are polar opposites about Ronnie. But we might agree the economy improved in his first term, we might even agree he and Tip got some serious work done that serves us well as shown tonight.
And I'll admit the death squads should have gotten nothing from us. I'll also admit I laughed my ass off when I learned how bad we screwed the Iranians on the price. Some of them still can't sit down except on a doughnut pillow.
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darthstar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:26:24pm |
Matthews just called Boehner a liar. Good for you, Chris.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:26:45pm |
re: #338 Dark_Falcon
It won't be a real default. The bondholders will still be paid.
If you are serious, perhaps they will, for a while, by my interest rates doubling and my property values tanking and US becoming the laughing stock of the world, except nobody will laugh.
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Sionainn Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:27:09pm |
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Varek Raith Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:27:19pm |
re: #338 Dark_Falcon
It won't be a real default. The bondholders will still be paid.
Are you and the GOP prepared to take responsibility for the consequences of a default?
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Four More Tears Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:27:23pm |
re: #338 Dark_Falcon
It won't be a real default. The bondholders will still be paid.
Doesn't mean we won't be downgraded. Even if that's true.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:27:32pm |
re: #294 Dark_Falcon
I think the Dems are counting on kicking the 'cut can' down the road till after the 2012 election, then forget about it. And if Republicans remind them of the need for the agreed cuts, the New York Timeswill call the GOP "heartless" and "cruel" again.
Republicans don't "need" those cuts, they want them.
Trying to explain the difference to people with massive entitlement issues is a fool's errand, though. I do understand that.
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Lidane Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:27:35pm |
re: #350 darthstar
Matthews just called Boehner a liar. Good for you, Chris.
I hope Tweety rips John of Orange a new one.
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engineer cat Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:28:03pm |
re: #345 Dark_Falcon
I did not say you are not, sir.
We're going to get the cuts this time, and that's just that with that.
who's the "we", then, that feels it can make unilateral demands on how this country is going to be run?
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albusteve Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:28:07pm |
re: #350 darthstar
Matthews just called Boehner a liar. Good for you, Chris.
the Giants game?
what's the score?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:28:26pm |
re: #350 darthstar
Matthews just called Boehner a liar. Good for you, Chris.
Partisan attack, right out of the gate. Predictable.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:28:36pm |
re: #353 Varek Raith
Are you and the GOP prepared to take responsibility for the consequences of a default?
Personal responsibility is for chumps. So is collective responsibility when you can just blame Obama for all our woes. /
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:28:40pm |
re: #359 Dark_Falcon
Partisan attack, right out of the gate. Predictable.
Its not an attack if its true.
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Lidane Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:28:53pm |
re: #353 Varek Raith
Are you and the GOP prepared to take responsibility for the consequences of a default?
Of course not. It's all Obama's fault.
That's their entire 2012 playbook -- default now, plunge the US into an economic shitstorm by being obstructionist assholes, then blame it all on Obama for not giving in to their temper tantrums.
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Jdorfma4 Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:28:58pm |
re: #359 Dark_Falcon
its not a partisan attack when its the truth.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:29:02pm |
re: #357 engineer dog
We're going to get the cuts this time, and that's just that with that.
who's the "we", then, that feels it can make unilateral demands on how this country is going to be run?
"We" is the Republican party in that statement.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:29:16pm |
re: #323 Dark_Falcon
And he's wearing a green tie. Big deal. As with Obama, hear him for his cause, not his looks.
As I often say of Boehner, I believe in what Dr. King said about judging a man by the content of his character, rather than the color of his skin, but when the color of his skin is something he did on purpose, it does sort of reflect on his judgement, if not his actual character.
///
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:29:31pm |
re: #350 darthstar
Matthews just called Boehner a liar. Good for you, Chris.
I didn't listen to him. By now I can write his crap. I felt the same about Glenn Beck after a while (although I couldn't go so far as to write for him).
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Sionainn Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:29:47pm |
re: #352 Sionainn
I'm shocked!
Oh, crap, I read that as Chris Wallace, not Chris Matthews. Never mind. I'm not shocked at all. /face palm
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:29:47pm |
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darthstar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:30:26pm |
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Lidane Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:30:31pm |
re: #364 Dark_Falcon
"We" is the Republican party in that statement.
Because they can hold the entire country hostage and not get blamed if we default. Really.
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Jdorfma4 Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:30:46pm |
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:30:49pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:31:13pm |
re: #336 darthstar
What's dishonest about saying we're going to raise taxes to pay our debts? That's a lot more honest than "tax cuts will create jobs"...how long has America been sucking on that schlong?
Especially a decade after the Bush Tax Cuts....nice going, R's.
Some "job creators". More like "job cremators".
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:31:32pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:32:13pm |
re: #372 jamesfirecat
So I guess you stand by the old political correct notion of "who cares if its true or not, it still hurts our feelings!"
No, because just because it's an attack, doesn't mean its wrong to do it. I don't see anything wrong with a honest attack, but in my mind its still an attack. Does that help, James?
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engineer cat Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:32:50pm |
re: #364 Dark_Falcon
"We" is the Republican party in that statement.
We're going to get the cuts this time, and that's just that with that.
and where does the republican party get the right to make unilateral demands that the entire country do only what it wants?
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:32:51pm |
re: #373 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Especially a decade after the Bush Tax Cuts...nice going, R's.
Some "job creators". More like "job cremators".
I saw an interview with Alan Simpson in this month's time. They asked him would he sign Norquist's anti tax pledge. He gave an adamant hell no since he felt it was stupid and presumptive as hell to sign something before dealing with the realities of a situation. He's also pro gay rights too I believe. Kind of saddens me that the Republican party seems to have regressed rather than progressed over the years.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:32:53pm |
re: #366 Naso Tang
I didn't listen to him. By now I can write his crap. I felt the same about Glenn Beck after a while (although I couldn't go so far as to write for him).
Just in case of misunderstanding, I was talking of Boehner.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:33:02pm |
re: #364 Dark_Falcon
"We" is the Republican party in that statement.
Dark... one day you will realize that you have not left the Republican party has left you....
I hope it comes soon.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:33:47pm |
re: #375 Dark_Falcon
No, because just because it's an attack, doesn't mean its wrong to do it. I don't see anything wrong with a honest attack, but in my mind its still an attack. Does that help, James?
Sorry man, sounds like partisan wagon circling.
re: #287 Varek Raith
Does it bother you that many corporations have negative income taxes?
That the GOP protects these loopholes?
Close those, then will talk about cutting social programs.
re: #353 Varek Raith
Are you and the GOP prepared to take responsibility for the consequences of a default?
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jaunte Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:33:50pm |
Boehner's team originally proposed cuts of $32 billion.
Now Democrats are offering Boehner more than $30 billion in cuts, but his teaparty freshmen won't let him take the deal.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:33:56pm |
re: #375 Dark_Falcon
No, because just because it's an attack, doesn't mean its wrong to do it. I don't see anything wrong with a honest attack, but in my mind its still an attack. Does that help, James?
It may be an attack, Stating the truth should never be a "Partisan Attack" as you called it.
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darthstar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:33:59pm |
re: #359 Dark_Falcon
Partisan attack, right out of the gate. Predictable.
Boehner lied, Dark. I know, he's your team captain and you love him, but he's lying to you and he's going to fuck you the second you turn around. And when I say he's going to fuck you, I mean he's going to drag you and your entire family over to the fence and fuck you all, and then blame you for not being kind enough to "the job creators" by accepting your fucking quietly.
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albusteve Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:34:31pm |
re: #373 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Especially a decade after the Bush Tax Cuts...nice going, R's.
Some "job creators". More like "job cremators".
it's as much a failure of dems as it is a victory for the GOP, across the years...this spending crap is inexcusable...we don't pay those assholes in congress to put us out on the street...fuck them
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:34:48pm |
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Four More Tears Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:34:49pm |
re: #383 darthstar
Well that's a mental picture I can't quite get rid of.
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Randall Gross Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:34:56pm |
The GOP's "we're going to hold our breath until everyone in America turns Blue" default position is going to work DF. I already have turned blue.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:35:29pm |
re: #377 HappyWarrior
I saw an interview with Alan Simpson in this month's time. They asked him would he sign Norquist's anti tax pledge. He gave an adamant hell no since he felt it was stupid and presumptive as hell to sign something before dealing with the realities of a situation. He's also pro gay rights too I believe. Kind of saddens me that the Republican party seems to have regressed rather than progressed over the years.
That stupid pledge to one guy, Norquist, means more to them than their own oath of office.
But then, this is the party of state-forced loyalty oaths and other meaningless creeds. So, can't expect much from them anymore.
Good news about Simpson, too. I didn't realize that about him and the dumb pledge, thanks for that.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:35:34pm |
re: #383 darthstar
Boehner lied, Dark. I know, he's your team captain and you love him, but he's lying to you and he's going to fuck you the second you turn around. And when I say he's going to fuck you, I mean he's going to drag you and your entire family over to the fence and fuck you all, and then blame you for not being kind enough to "the job creators" by accepting your fucking quietly.
The team captain, he has your K-Y ready!
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Lidane Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:35:56pm |
re: #377 HappyWarrior
Kind of saddens me that the Republican party seems to have regressed rather than progressed over the years.
There's no "seems" about it. They've lost their goddamn minds.
The GOP has been headed in this direction for years. Even Reagan wouldn't get elected now. They're completely batshit insane.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:36:17pm |
re: #389 WindUpBird
The team captain, he has your K-Y ready!
I heard that's a crucial ingredient of Santorum...
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:36:38pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:37:56pm |
re: #391 JasonA
I heard that's a crucial ingredient of Santorum...
Through the magic and grandeur of buttholes, these are the days of our lives in the Grand Old Party #saluteourheroes #republicanpatriots #dontletevilarabsintoamerica
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sagehen Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:38:17pm |
re: #389 WindUpBird
The team captain, he has your K-Y ready!
oh, please. He's a Republican. There will be no K-Y for this fucking. We'll be lucky if he uses a little spit.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:38:24pm |
re: #373 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Especially a decade after the Bush Tax Cuts...nice going, R's.
Some "job creators". More like "job cremators".
Aside from 4000 FAA workers today, and who knows how many FAA subcontractors laying off their workers, I understand that between the Federal government and the states, government has been laying off 100,000 per month the past months. I don't know how much longer that will continue.
Perhaps that is why we recently hear so little about creating jobs.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:38:31pm |
re: #392 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Good luck getting an answer for those. He's still tardy on what so-called "multiculturalism" is supposed to be, from yesterday. I expect he'll be leaving the building, soon.
Bolded part. I disagree.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:38:44pm |
re: #394 sagehen
oh, please. He's a Republican. There will be no K-Y for this fucking. We'll be lucky if he uses a little spit.
This spit costs extra.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:39:00pm |
re: #388 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
That stupid pledge to one guy, Norquist, means more to them than their own oath of office.
But then, this is the party of state-forced loyalty oaths and other meaningless creeds. So, can't expect much from them anymore.
Good news about Simpson, too. I didn't realize that about him and the dumb pledge, thanks for that.
Yeah it's stupid shit really. I remember here in Virginia there was a big divide in the state party between moderates who refused to rule out the chance we may have to increase taxes and conservatives who flipped their shit at any tax increase. As I said, I don't always support tax increases but to completely rule them out especially in large part because of a pledge to an activist is moronic. I am sure we all remember what happened to George H.W Bush when he raised taxes.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:39:09pm |
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:39:16pm |
re: #392 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Good luck getting an answer for those. He's still tardy on what so-called "multiculturalism" is supposed to be, from yesterday. I expect he'll be leaving the building, soon.
I hope Dark doesn't go LGF is better for having him.
That said DF you scare me sometimes, your friendly and funny and then you start busting out Anti-Union anti middle eastern immigration talking points and I wonder who ha you gagged in a corner while they type at your machine.
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albusteve Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:39:28pm |
re: #394 sagehen
oh, please. He's a Republican. There will be no K-Y for this fucking. We'll be lucky if he uses a little spit.
now that's what we're talkin about!
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Four More Tears Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:39:53pm |
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Lidane Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:40:06pm |
Dear GOP --
re: #397 JasonA
This spit costs extra.
Revenue gains are off the table. Just do it dry.
/
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:40:07pm |
re: #390 Lidane
There's no "seems" about it. They've lost their goddamn minds.
The GOP has been headed in this direction for years. Even Reagan wouldn't get elected now. They're completely batshit insane.
No argument from me. And yeah that's true about Reagan. For all their posthumous worship of the man, the real Reagan would be called an appeaser- how dare he talk to that commie Gorbachev!
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:40:58pm |
re: #401 Dark_Falcon
Whats with all the sodomy references?
You think gagged in a corner references sodomy? Interesting.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:41:08pm |
re: #384 albusteve
it's as much a failure of dems as it is a victory for the GOP, across the years...this spending crap is inexcusable...we don't pay those assholes in congress to put us out on the street...fuck them
The comment was about the jobs all these tax cuts were supposed to create.
Only conservatives, fiscal or otherwise, fall for that old line of bull, and nearly the entirety of the Republican Party. Especially now, a decade AFTER the Bush Tax Cuts did nothing to quell 9% unemployment.
But that's Obama's fault. Everything is Obama's fault in that parallel universe. 9_9
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Lidane Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:41:34pm |
re: #405 HappyWarrior
No argument from me. And yeah that's true about Reagan. For all their posthumous worship of the man, the real Reagan would be called an appeaser- how dare he talk to that commie Gorbachev!
The real Reagan would be a moderate RINO to these reactionary assholes. and talking to commies? AND being a part of the Hollywood elite as president of SAG? THE HORROR!
He wouldn't get out of the primaries now.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:41:36pm |
re: #394 sagehen
oh, please. He's a Republican. There will be no K-Y for this fucking. We'll be lucky if he uses a little spit.
Guys, I'm trying to have dinner here, and this thread appears to be turning X-rated in a hurry...
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:42:05pm |
re: #394 sagehen
oh, please. He's a Republican. There will be no K-Y for this fucking. We'll be lucky if he uses a little spit.
Actually, thanks to the shale oil we're getting out Texas, petroleum jelly is at very low price, so the Speaker's got plenty. Frack, baby, frack!
/I'm kidding, of course.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:42:12pm |
It's funny to me. Republicans bitch about Obama blaming Bush but then they do it themselves and then of course I remember the 90's hearing my friends' conservative parents blame Clinton for the "moral degradiation" of our society and crap like that.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:42:12pm |
re: #409 SanFranciscoZionist
Guys, I'm trying to have dinner here, and this thread appears to be turning X-rated in a hurry...
I think Jason Momoa set us down this path.
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jaunte Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:42:23pm |
Party loyalty means not listening.
National polling shows that Republicans are critical of their party’s role in the negotiations aimed at paving the way for a vote to increase the debt ceiling. Almost 6 in 10 said Republican leaders are too resistant to a deal, according to a July 19 Washington Post-ABC News poll.
[Link: www.businessweek.com...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:42:28pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:42:52pm |
re: #406 Naso Tang
You think gagged in a corner references sodomy? Interesting.
No, was referring to sagehen and that jerk who calls himself WindUpBird.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:42:54pm |
re: #394 sagehen
oh, please. He's a Republican. There will be no K-Y for this fucking. We'll be lucky if he uses a little spit.
What's wrong with you! Why aren't you grateful for me selflessly bestowing myself upon you! You know you want it!! ///
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Lidane Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:43:11pm |
re: #413 jaunte
Party loyalty means not listening.
But they ARE listening -- to their donors and to Grover Norquist. And Limbaugh. Those are the only people who matter.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:43:14pm |
re: #401 Dark_Falcon
Whats with all the sodomy references?
It's been several solid days of tracking murders out of Norway. People are getting slap-happy.
I think.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:43:28pm |
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:43:33pm |
re: #401 Dark_Falcon
Whats with all the sodomy references?
I believe the anal references started with "You can take your demand for a clean bill and stick it!". Unless you meant Lidane should stick it in her nose. ///
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jaunte Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:43:48pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:43:55pm |
re: #411 HappyWarrior
It's funny to me. Republicans bitch about Obama blaming Bush but then they do it themselves and then of course I remember the 90's hearing my friends' conservative parents blame Clinton for the "moral degradiation" of our society and crap like that.
when parents start blaming the president for "society", that's when you know they've just turned off their brains and their entire lives revolve around their kids' batting averages and how well done they can get a steak at outback
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:44:13pm |
re: #377 HappyWarrior
I saw an interview with Alan Simpson in this month's time. They asked him would he sign Norquist's anti tax pledge. He gave an adamant hell no since he felt it was stupid and presumptive as hell to sign something before dealing with the realities of a situation. He's also pro gay rights too I believe. Kind of saddens me that the Republican party seems to have regressed rather than progressed over the years.
Are you really surprised the conservative party hasn't progressed? They aren't supposed to progress. That's what conservative means. And as the country progresses, conservatives will naturally become more and more regressive and radical in their protesting and obstructing progress. What the hell else would conservatives be doing? Certainly not progressing.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:44:20pm |
re: #415 Dark_Falcon
No, was referring to sagehen and that jerk who calls himself WindUpBird.
Your party is still dogshit, and yep, that includes Illinois
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:44:21pm |
re: #406 Naso Tang
You think gagged in a corner references sodomy? Interesting.
Sodomy? I thought it was slavery.
My bad!
///
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sagehen Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:44:45pm |
re: #407 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
The comment was about the jobs all these tax cuts were supposed to create.
Only conservatives, fiscal or otherwise, fall for that old line of bull, and nearly the entirety of the Republican Party. Especially now, a decade AFTER the Bush Tax Cuts did nothing to quell 9% unemployment.
But that's Obama's fault. Everything is Obama's fault in that parallel universe. 9_9
Fiscal conservatives in Congress do *not* for fall for that old line of bull. They know better. They know it's a total crock of shit.
But they're Straussians... they believe -- truly believe, deep in their hearts -- that the masses need to be lied to, or distracted by culture issue sideshows, to get them to approve the economic policies that best please the elite.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:45:08pm |
re: #418 SanFranciscoZionist
It's been several solid days of tracking murders out of Norway. People are getting slap-happy.
I think.
Eh, I can see that. This is a chance to get back to normal and blow off some steam.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:45:11pm |
re: #415 Dark_Falcon
No, was referring to sagehen and that jerk who calls himself WindUpBird.
I still remember when you posited that gay men shouldn't be allowed to adopt kids
I remember these things, because I may be a jerk, but I'm not stupid :)
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darthstar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:45:17pm |
re: #401 Dark_Falcon
Whats with all the sodomy references?
Shh...just face forward and think of England.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:45:53pm |
re: #411 HappyWarrior
and then of course I remember the 90's hearing my friends' conservative parents blame Clinton for the "moral degradiation" of our society and crap like that.
Was that before or after the cigars?
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:46:02pm |
re: #419 Naso Tang
So 40% are batshit crazy/stupid?
No 27% are bashit crazy/stupid and the other 13% aren't even paying attention.
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engineer cat Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:46:48pm |
Grover Norquist
exhibit A in the case histories of people with an emotional disorder that causes them to think that g-d has appointed them the divine and infallible spokesmen for 300 million american citizens
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darthstar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:47:06pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:47:38pm |
re: #431 jaunte
Bangers & mash.
Here in Chicago, you normally get that at Irish restaurants. The Currah in Edison Park is the best for that sort of dish.
/I know that's not what you meant.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:48:21pm |
re: #436 darthstar
Wow...you said 'shit'...I'm impressed.
I don't like to curse, but in that jerk's case I make an exception.
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Gus Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:48:22pm |
Boehner lied. He said the Cut, Cap, and Balance Act of 2011 was passed with "bipartisan support." His tone of voice making it sound like it had significant "bipartisan support." Only 5 Democrats voted for that bill:
House Vote On Passage: H.R. 2560: Cut, Cap, and Balance Act of 2011
Totals: Democrats/Republicans/Independents
Aye: 234 (54%) 5/229/0
No: 190 (44%) 181/9/0
The vote was almost entirely based on party lines.
Hardly bipartisan.
I'll give him 3 Pinocchios.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:48:56pm |
Did I miss the awesomely awesome deficit speech? Anything interesting?
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jaunte Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:49:41pm |
re: #440 Killgore Trout
Looks like we'll be paying more to service the debt.
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albusteve Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:49:47pm |
re: #440 Killgore Trout
Did I miss the awesomely awesome deficit speech? Anything interesting?
he actually levitated tonight...google it
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darthstar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:49:48pm |
re: #438 Dark_Falcon
I don't like to curse, but in that jerk's case I make an exception.
WUB is a great guy. He's funny, probably very good looking...if I was gay, I'd be interested. And he treats people with the same respect they give him...a fair person.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:50:00pm |
re: #423 moderatelyradicalliberal
Are you really surprised the conservative party hasn't progressed? They aren't supposed to progress. That's what conservative means. And as the country progresses, conservatives will naturally become more and more regressive and radical in their protesting and obstructing progress. What the hell else would conservatives be doing? Certainly not progressing.
Well there was a time I guess before Nixon and later Reagan decided to pander to the old Dixiecrats that both parties were fairly sane by and large. I mean shit I look at the stuff Nixon and even Reagan did and I know damn well those guys would be tarred as socialists if they did it today.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:50:01pm |
re: #439 Gus 802
Both sides use the "bipartisan" bullshit. One vote from the other side is all one needs to call it a "fact".
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:50:02pm |
re: #440 Killgore Trout
Did I miss the awesomely awesome deficit speech? Anything interesting?
Not really.. Both sides said the same thing..
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TedStriker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:50:40pm |
re: #389 WindUpBird
The team captain, he has your K-Y ready!
I doubt Boehner and the TPGOP would give even that common courtesy...they are ready to fuck this country over with no lube.
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albusteve Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:50:54pm |
re: #443 darthstar
WUB is a great guy. He's funny, probably very good looking...if I was gay, I'd be interested. And he treats people with the same respect they give him...a fair person.
that's just so sweet
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:51:14pm |
re: #442 albusteve
he actually levitated tonight...google it
Heh...
Image: political-pictures-barack-obama-levitiation.jpg
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:51:23pm |
re: #443 darthstar
WUB is a great guy. He's funny, probably very good looking...if I was gay, I'd be interested. And he treats people with the same respect they give him...a fair person.
I treated him with respect, and he insulted me and my family. That's why I no longer regard him well.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:51:35pm |
re: #427 sagehen
Fiscal conservatives in Congress do *not* for fall for that old line of bull. They know better. They know it's a total crock of shit.
But they're Straussians... they believe -- truly believe, deep in their hearts -- that the masses need to be lied to, or distracted by culture issue sideshows, to get them to approve the economic policies that best please the elite.
Of course, you're right.
But they got the Big Ol' Mean Broad Brush of Infamy™ because they go along with it, and do nothing whatsoever to stop it.
So anyone with their mouth set to whine about broad brushes can come cry me Lake Michigan. lol
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darthstar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:51:44pm |
re: #448 albusteve
that's just so sweet
Don't worry...I'll be seeing you when I come to Santa Fe in August...
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:52:00pm |
re: #444 HappyWarrior
Well there was a time I guess before Nixon and later Reagan decided to pander to the old Dixiecrats that both parties were fairly sane by and large. I mean shit I look at the stuff Nixon and even Reagan did and I know damn well those guys would be tarred as socialists if they did it today.
I get that, I'm just saying that I think what the GOP has become was destined to happen. They were always going to become a regressive, reactionary protest party.
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palomino Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:52:09pm |
re: #232 Dark_Falcon
It's the usual "Blame Bush" BS.
Yes, much better to have historical amnesia and pretend Bush did nothing wrong.
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albusteve Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:52:09pm |
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:52:58pm |
All email notifications from twitter end with an exclamation point!
/Very exiting
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Four More Tears Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:53:06pm |
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA... please keep telling me that voter ID laws are great because it's so easy to get an ID.
After Signing Law Disenfranchising ID-less Voters, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker Closes 10 DMV Offices
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albusteve Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:53:29pm |
re: #452 darthstar
Don't worry...I'll be seeing you when I come to Santa Fe in August...
I should have my titanium super leg by then...consider me dangerous
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:53:42pm |
re: #453 moderatelyradicalliberal
I get that, I'm just saying that I think what the GOP has become was destined to happen. They were always going to become a regressive, reactionary protest party.
I just don't know if they were always going to. I mean instead of getting rightfully criticized for pandering to racism in the worst possible ways in the 1980's, we have Reagan being venerated like he's up there with Washington and Lincoln.
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windsagio Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:53:47pm |
re: #443 darthstar
WUB is a great guy. He's funny, probably very good looking...if I was gay, I'd be interested. And he treats people with the same respect they give him...a fair person.
He's really not all that hot.
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McSpiff Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:53:49pm |
re: #457 JasonA
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA... please keep telling me that voter ID laws are great because it's so easy to get an ID.
After Signing Law Disenfranchising ID-less Voters, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker Closes 10 DMV Offices
Walker is like a bad movie villain. Let me guess, the DMV is unionized?
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darthstar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:53:56pm |
re: #457 JasonA
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA... please keep telling me that voter ID laws are great because it's so easy to get an ID.
After Signing Law Disenfranchising ID-less Voters, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker Closes 10 DMV Offices
You don't need a license to drive.
//
okay, time to go eat dinner...see you all later.
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palomino Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:54:03pm |
re: #301 Dark_Falcon
You can take your demand for a clean bill and stick it! The GOP will not for such a thing, period. We're going to get the cuts this time, and that's just that with that.
Where was that spirit from 2000-2006?
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The Ghost of a Flea Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:54:56pm |
re: #412 JasonA
I think Jason Momoa set us down this path.
I'm straight and that's still a smoking hot man. It's a sign of good taste and healthy appetites that the conversation turns dirty after he's mentioned.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:54:59pm |
re: #457 JasonA
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA... please keep telling me that voter ID laws are great because it's so easy to get an ID.
After Signing Law Disenfranchising ID-less Voters, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker Closes 10 DMV Offices
Governor Asshole. But yeah, funny that isn't it? We always hear oh it's so easy to get an ID, so what does Walker do, he closes down DMV offices.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:55:07pm |
re: #457 JasonA
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA... please keep telling me that voter ID laws are great because it's so easy to get an ID.
After Signing Law Disenfranchising ID-less Voters, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker Closes 10 DMV Offices
Scott Walker, his constituents, and fatcat benefactors can only win through cheating, and elimination of the competition.
Their cutthroat business practices are spilling over into their politics (again).
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:55:17pm |
re: #463 palomino
Where was that spirit from 2000-2006?
Well we couldn't cut those limbs when they were our limbs! I mean our shit is stuff but all their stuff is shit!
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Four More Tears Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:55:19pm |
re: #463 palomino
Where was that spirit from 2000-2006?
Deficits didn't matter then. They do now.
Why?
Because fuck you, that's why!
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jaunte Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:55:22pm |
Andy Borowitz tweets:
In his official response, Eric Cantor just left a flaming bag of shit on the White House steps.
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bratwurst Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:56:27pm |
re: #468 JasonA
Deficits didn't matter then. They do now.
Why?
Because fuck you, that's why!
Tough but fair.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:56:37pm |
Conservatives Beware: The Boehner Plan Leads to Tax Increases
The Republicans already missed their own deadline last night to make a decision. I'm getting worried there might not be enough party discipline to get anything done.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:57:23pm |
re: #465 HappyWarrior
Governor Asshole. But yeah, funny that isn't it? We always hear oh it's so easy to get an ID, so what does Walker do, he closes down DMV offices.
They also HATE motor-voter laws. The fewer people voting the better, in their world.
Look at this dead old bigot:
After the communists/socialists in the Civil Rights movement rubbed their noses in their filthy insolence in Selma, this is the best they can muster, now.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:58:01pm |
re: #464 The Ghost of a Flea
I'm straight and that's still a smoking hot man. It's a sign of good taste and healthy appetites that the conversation turns dirty after he's mentioned.
It's good (and healthy) to see a man who's not afraid to say another is smoking hot. I believe this is the first time I've ever seen that online. Maybe anywhere...
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:58:28pm |
re: #463 palomino
Where was that spirit from 2000-2006?
It was lost amid 'party-in-power' go along to get along. And losing that determination helped cost the GOP the Congress in 2006.
Upding for the fair question.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:58:31pm |
re: #471 Killgore Trout
Conservatives Beware: The Boehner Plan Leads to Tax Increases
The Republicans already missed their own deadline last night to make a decision. I'm getting worried there might not be enough party discipline to get anything done.
When lock step Republicans can't even get party discipline down pat, they have no political virtues left as a party.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:58:37pm |
re: #457 JasonA
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA... please keep telling me that voter ID laws are great because it's so easy to get an ID.
After Signing Law Disenfranchising ID-less Voters, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker Closes 10 DMV Offices
I'll bet the apologists for voter ID laws never saw this one coming. Oh no, not in a millions years. You know what the difference is between people who don't vote for Republicans and people who do? The gift of discernment and the ability to follow a pattern of behavior to it's logical outcome.
Pass a law requiring ID to vote and then pass a law limiting the number of places that people can get an ID. Easy.
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palomino Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:59:38pm |
re: #472 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
They also HATE motor-voter laws. The fewer people voting the better, in their world.
Look at this dead old bigot:
[Video]After the communists/socialists in the Civil Rights movement rubbed their noses in their filthy insolence in Selma, this is the best they can muster, now.
Huge voter turnout has never been a friend to the gop. Their dirty little secret is voter suppression through these picture ID laws at the state level. They know that likely Dem voters are less likely to have picture ID's and thus easier to disenfranchise.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 6:59:42pm |
re: #456 Killgore Trout
Hey Kilgore I was testing Adobe Lightroom3 today (free 30 day trial) thinking it might help you and your camera images. Great price but the interface is teh suck. On the up side it filters noise from a high iso (low light shots) better than anything I have seen. including Photoshop CS5.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:00:09pm |
re: #476 moderatelyradicalliberal
I'll bet the apologists for voter ID laws never saw this one coming. Oh no, not in a millions years. You know what the difference is between people who don't vote for Republicans and people who do? The gift of discernment and the ability to follow a pattern of behavior to it's logical outcome.
Pass a law requiring ID to vote and then pass a law limiting the number of places that people can get an ID. Easy.
Shutting DMV's requires a law?
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:00:52pm |
re: #476 moderatelyradicalliberal
I'll bet the apologists for voter ID laws never saw this one coming. Oh no, not in a millions years. You know what the difference is between people who don't vote for Republicans and people who do? The gift of discernment and the ability to follow a pattern of behavior to it's logical outcome.
Pass a law requiring ID to vote and then pass a law limiting the number of places that people can get an ID. Easy.
That one goes back to before the 1950's when the government made it legal to buy a machine gun so long as you had a stamp to show that you've paid the tax on the machine gun, then didn't print any such stamps.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:01:16pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:01:19pm |
Oh, this is something I figure someone here might know--this morning in downtown SF I passed a group of kids who seemed to be sightseeing. The two teenage girls were wearing kippa-sized little black lace things pinned to their hair, like very small chapel veils from the old days. They were wearing below-the-knee skirts, but very casual clothes, more Modern Orthodox than Mennonite, if you get me.
Any idea who they might have been? It was a new look on me.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:01:23pm |
re: #477 palomino
Huge voter turnout has never been a friend to the gop. Their dirty little secret is voter suppression through these picture ID laws at the state level. They know that likely Dem voters are less likely to have picture ID's and thus easier to disenfranchise.
really? Remember '04 and ebil Karl Rove and the whole "get out the vote" thingy?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:01:27pm |
re: #471 Killgore Trout
Conservatives Beware: The Boehner Plan Leads to Tax Increases
The Republicans already missed their own deadline last night to make a decision. I'm getting worried there might not be enough party discipline to get anything done.
Some type of revenue increase is unavoidable. I understand why many in the GOP do not want that, but it cannot be prevented. And I don't think saying that should make one a RINO.
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jaunte Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:01:56pm |
Interactive graphic:
Smacking Into the Debt Ceiling: the Day-by-Day Consequences
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:02:16pm |
re: #473 CuriousLurker
It's good (and healthy) to see a man who's not afraid to say another is smoking hot. I believe this is the first time I've ever seen that online. Maybe anywhere...
nice post.. Many Guys deep dark secret is to hang with handsome guys just to at least get his girl leftovers...It's true...We do...
/Hi I'm the Hoopster..Why are you crying?
:) I'm teasing of course
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palomino Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:02:31pm |
re: #484 Dark_Falcon
Some type of revenue increase is unavoidable. I understand why many in the GOP do not want that, but it cannot be prevented. And I don't think saying that should make one a RINO.
In today's GOP that doesn't make you a RINO. It makes you a Democrat...if not something worse.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:03:11pm |
re: #477 palomino
Huge voter turnout has never been a friend to the gop. Their dirty little secret is voter suppression through these picture ID laws at the state level. They know that likely Dem voters are less likely to have picture ID's and thus easier to disenfranchise.
Cutting off their nose..older R voters of the "silent majority" era are also less likely to have valid picture IDs.
Unless they plan on taking assisted living and nursing home IDs as valid. And we know what can of worms that will open back up for them if they do.
The Republican Party is one big Death Panel.
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albusteve Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:03:16pm |
re: #487 palomino
In today's GOP that doesn't make you a RINO. It makes you a Democrat...if not something worse.
there is nothing worse
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:03:21pm |
re: #484 Dark_Falcon
And I don't think saying that should make one a RINO.
Who in the GOP (Tea Party) has said it?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:04:05pm |
re: #484 Dark_Falcon
Some type of revenue increase is unavoidable. I understand why many in the GOP do not want that, but it cannot be prevented. And I don't think saying that should make one a RINO.
Even Palin has the sense Gd gave a turnip to at least close a bunch of tax loopholes. What's wrong with the rest of them?
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Randall Gross Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:04:06pm |
If you want to contact your congresscritter it's house.gov but right now the server seems overloaded for some reason....
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palomino Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:04:32pm |
re: #483 Cannadian Club Akbar
really? Remember '04 and ebil Karl Rove and the whole "get out the vote" thingy?
In a few targeted places. But the GOP has consistently over the decades opposed laws that made it easier to register. And now they're adding further obstacles to voting that are much more likely to affect Dem voters. So your little Rove example means zilch in the face of everything else.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:04:54pm |
re: #488 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Cutting off their nose..older R voters of the "silent majority" era are also less likely to have valid picture IDs.
Unless they plan on taking assisted living and nursing home IDs as valid. And we know what can of worms that will open back up for them if they do.
The Republican Party is one big Death Panel.
I worked the polls in 2004. You could use a work ID to vote.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:05:12pm |
re: #491 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Even Palin has the sense Gd gave a turnip to at least close a bunch of tax loopholes. What's wrong with the rest of them?
Palin is writing books and making B movies. What does she have to lose?
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palomino Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:05:50pm |
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:05:58pm |
re: #478 Rightwingconspirator
Hey Kilgore I was testing Adobe Lightroom3 today (free 30 day trial) thinking it might help you and your camera images. Great price but the interface is teh suck. On the up side it filters noise from a high iso (low light shots) better than anything I have seen. including Photoshop CS5.
I think what a I really need is a real camera, I;ll putz along with this piece of shit and dabble with photoshop once or twice a week just to learn the basics. Once I get a real camera I'll consider some serious software. For now my biggest obstacle in my hardware.
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Gus Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:06:14pm |
re: #492 Thanos
If you want to contact your congresscritter it's house.gov but right now the server seems overloaded for some reason...
Obama called for people to contact their congress critters in his speech.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:06:34pm |
re: #493 palomino
In a few targeted places. But the GOP has consistently over the decades opposed laws that made it easier to register. And now they're adding further obstacles to voting that are much more likely to affect Dem voters. So your little Rove example means zilch in the face of everything else.
I responded to the fact that you said the GOP has problems getting people to the polls.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:06:53pm |
re: #494 Cannadian Club Akbar
I worked the polls in 2004. You could use a work ID to vote.
Yeah but can you now in SW's America, is the q.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:07:16pm |
re: #486 HoosierHoops
Meh, you're smoking hot. In case you needed to see it in print!
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The Ghost of a Flea Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:07:55pm |
re: #473 CuriousLurker
It's good (and healthy) to see a man who's not afraid to say another is smoking hot. I believe this is the first time I've ever seen that online. Maybe anywhere...
Eventually I'll get this mind-transfer device fired up. Until then, I pay attention....
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:07:55pm |
re: #499 Cannadian Club Akbar
I responded to the fact that you said the GOP has problems getting people to the polls.
You've got it backwards, the GOP has a problem with people getting to the polls.
Why else could it be that the GOP does better when it rains on election day?
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]
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albusteve Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:08:02pm |
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Four More Tears Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:08:13pm |
re: #494 Cannadian Club Akbar
I worked the polls in 2004. You could use a work ID to vote.
That's all going to depend on the state we're talking about.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:08:19pm |
re: #495 Naso Tang
Palin is writing books and making B movies. What does she have to lose?
If Box-of-rocks-for-brains understands that much, what's wrong with the rest of them, who are supposedly so much better?
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:08:29pm |
It is telling that the College Republicans here opposed a move to allow a precinct on campus. How sad is it that it's seen as beneficare: #493 palomino
In a few targeted places. But the GOP has consistently over the decades opposed laws that made it easier to register. And now they're adding further obstacles to voting that are much more likely to affect Dem voters. So your little Rove example means zilch in the face of everything else.
Well it's not just easier to register but also easier to vote people. I'll give you a good example of what happened here on campus. College Dems thought it would be a good idea to encourage voter turnout by teaming up with the College Repubs by supporting a precinct on campus. College Repubs refused. Predictable huh.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:08:53pm |
re: #486 HoosierHoops
nice post.. Many Guys deep dark secret is to hang with handsome guys just to at least get his girl leftovers...It's true...We do...
/Hi I'm the Hoopster..Why are you crying?
:) I'm teasing of course
LOL!
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palomino Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:09:00pm |
re: #499 Cannadian Club Akbar
I responded to the fact that you said the GOP has problems getting people to the polls.
You misunderstood my post. The GOP has no problem getting their people to vote. Their problem is that when overall voter turnout is high, the gop tends to lose. For whatever reasons, the less motivated and more sporadic voters historically have tended to vote Dem, thus the GOP puts up roadblocks.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:09:02pm |
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:09:20pm |
re: #503 jamesfirecat
Why else could it be that the GOP does better when it rains on election day?
Because water kills aliens
/M. Night Shamalan
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Gus Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:09:25pm |
Saudi billionaire backs News Corp structure: report
LONDON (Reuters) - News Corp's major shareholder Prince Alwaleed bin Tala has rebuffed calls to change the company's dual-class structure or leadership, the Financial Times reported in its Tuesday edition.
"Investors went into News Corp knowing the class A and B share structure," Alwaleed was quoted as saying in an interview with the newspaper. "No one can cry wolf now."
The Saudi billionaire owns the same class B voting shares as the Murdoch family, who use the structure to command almost 40 percent of the voting rights with a 12 percent share stake. Class A shares do not have voting rights, the FT reported.
News Corp is embroiled in a phone-hacking scandal that has led to closure of the 168-year-old News of the World.
Alwaleed reiterated his support for the way Rupert and James Murdoch handled the phone-hacking crisis. Both Murdochs testified before parliament's media committee on July 19.
"Unfortunately the incident gave weapons to competitors who created a hysteria," he said...
Laughable. Especially when you consider the average Fox News viewer. Too fecking much.
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jaunte Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:10:23pm |
re: #512 Killgore Trout
Because water kills aliens
/M. Night Shamalan
They sure did spend a lot of energy coming to a water planet.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:10:31pm |
re: #508 HappyWarrior
It is telling that the College Republicans here opposed a move to allow a precinct on campus. How sad is it that it's seen as benefica
Well it's not just easier to register but also easier to vote people. I'll give you a good example of what happened here on campus. College Dems thought it would be a good idea to encourage voter turnout by teaming up with the College Repubs by supporting a precinct on campus. College Repubs refused. Predictable huh.
Representative democracy makes them angry, and nervous.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:10:38pm |
re: #513 Gus 802
Sharia! OMG Islamification!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:10:55pm |
re: #510 palomino
Cool. I can only go by what i see here. (Florida)
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:11:27pm |
re: #513 Gus 802
Saudi billionaire backs News Corp structure: report
Laughable. Especially when you consider the average Fox News viewer. Too fecking much.
Fox News is the Victory Mosque.
(No /'s)
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Gus Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:12:23pm |
NJ gov sued over communication with Fox News head
TRENTON, N.J. (AP) — New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie was sued Monday over his administration's refusal to release correspondence between the president of Fox News and the governor or his staff after a report that the head of the network tried to persuade the first-term GOP governor to run for president in 2012 last summer.
Fox News President Roger Ailes has denied urging Christie to run for president. But speculation continues over whether Christie would jump into the race, even though he has repeatedly said he will not.
The American Civil Liberties Union of New Jersey filed suit Monday on behalf of John Cook, a reporter for Gawker Entertainment LLC, who sought the information under state's Open Public Records Law...
Fox News. Sleaze.
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:12:48pm |
re: #501 Floral Giraffe
Meh, you're smoking hot. In case you needed to see it in print!
LOL
You are too kind...
Let's chat this week....I'll be in Cali this fall
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Lidane Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:12:49pm |
re: #476 moderatelyradicalliberal
Pass a law requiring ID to vote and then pass a law limiting the number of places that people can get an ID. Easy.
Easiest voter disenfranchisement trick in the book, and one that the GOP has used for years.
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sagehen Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:13:41pm |
re: #457 JasonA
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA... please keep telling me that voter ID laws are great because it's so easy to get an ID.
After Signing Law Disenfranchising ID-less Voters, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker Closes 10 DMV Offices
oh, that's cute... he's closing DMV offices in Democratic districts, and expanding hours of the DMV offices in Republican districts.
Very subtle.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:14:33pm |
re: #513 Gus 802
Saudi billionaire backs News Corp structure: report
Laughable. Especially when you consider the average Fox News viewer. Too fecking much.
And if Rudy Guiliani reminded people why Alweed is full of crap, Fox would go after Rudy. Sick and sad.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:14:35pm |
re: #456 Killgore Trout
All email notifications from twitter end with an exclamation point!
/Very exiting
exiting?
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:14:43pm |
re: #522 sagehen
oh, that's cute... he's closing DMV offices in Democratic districts, and expanding hours of the DMV offices in Republican districts.
Very subtle.
I'm starting to hate them. I really am.
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sagehen Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:14:49pm |
re: #412 JasonA
I think Jason Momoa set us down this path.
I willingly tread any path Jason Momoa would set me down.
Ooomph. Super-oomph.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:15:15pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:15:24pm |
re: #522 sagehen
oh, that's cute... he's closing DMV offices in Democratic districts, and expanding hours of the DMV offices in Republican districts.
Very subtle.
Republicans still don't understand even the basics about D voters.
Evidently, they think this is the first time our vote has been suppressed by state actors.
Teabagger Homeschool History Course grads, I guess.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:15:48pm |
re: #516 Killgore Trout
Sharia! OMG Islamification!
Relax, McFroggypants. Just tell 'em you have Muslim friends. ;)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:15:53pm |
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Four More Tears Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:16:02pm |
re: #522 sagehen
oh, that's cute... he's closing DMV offices in Democratic districts, and expanding hours of the DMV offices in Republican districts.
Very subtle.
And some people still stand by him on this very board.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:16:35pm |
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Randall Gross Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:16:38pm |
A short message I just sent to my congress critter:
Message Subject: Don' Default
Message Text:
We can't afford it, my job can't take it, and my home and 401k have dropped enough in value. Please do the right thing for your constituents and not the irresponsible thing for show. We will not forgive you if you make that mistake.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:17:51pm |
re: #515 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Representative democracy makes them angry, and nervous.
Sure as hell looked that way.
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jaunte Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:17:54pm |
Albert Brooks tweets:
Congress needs to pretend Goldman Sachs is about to default and act accordingly.
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sagehen Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:18:25pm |
re: #482 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, this is something I figure someone here might know--this morning in downtown SF I passed a group of kids who seemed to be sightseeing. The two teenage girls were wearing kippa-sized little black lace things pinned to their hair, like very small chapel veils from the old days. They were wearing below-the-knee skirts, but very casual clothes, more Modern Orthodox than Mennonite, if you get me.
Any idea who they might have been? It was a new look on me.
British wedding-hat fans?
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Randall Gross Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:18:35pm |
re: #534 Floral Giraffe
More likely he will just laugh, this state is very red and anyone with an R in front of their name wins.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:20:37pm |
I just watched "True Grit" (the Jeff Bridges version) and I can't believe how irritated I was by the stylized dialogue. I saw the John Wayne version years ago, and I thought the dialogue was, you know, the way people really talked in the 1870's.
Now that I know there was a lot more illiteracy in the 1870's, and people did not freaking talk the way the literate folks wrote. People talked the way they talked in Mark Twain novels, incomprehensible ethnic dialects.
//
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:21:18pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:21:23pm |
re: #540 Alouette
I just watched "True Grit" (the Jeff Bridges version) and I can't believe how irritated I was by the stylized dialogue. I saw the John Wayne version years ago, and I thought the dialogue was, you know, the way people really talked in the 1870's.
Now that I know there was a lot more illiteracy in the 1870's, and people did not freaking talk the way the literate folks wrote. People talked the way they talked in Mark Twain novels, incomprehensible ethnic dialects.
//
But then we would need subtitles.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:22:02pm |
re: #540 Alouette
I just watched "True Grit" (the Jeff Bridges version) and I can't believe how irritated I was by the stylized dialogue. I saw the John Wayne version years ago, and I thought the dialogue was, you know, the way people really talked in the 1870's.
Now that I know there was a lot more illiteracy in the 1870's, and people did not freaking talk the way the literate folks wrote. People talked the way they talked in Mark Twain novels, incomprehensible ethnic dialects.
//
Authentic Frontier gibberish!
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sagehen Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:22:05pm |
re: #510 palomino
You misunderstood my post. The GOP has no problem getting their people to vote. Their problem is that when overall voter turnout is high, the gop tends to lose. For whatever reasons, the
less motivated and more sporadic voterspeople who work long hours and/or have no transportation historically have tended to vote Dem, thus the GOP puts up roadblocks.
ftfy
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:22:11pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:22:20pm |
re: #540 Alouette
One of the things writers have problems with is writing dialogue.
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Kragar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:22:27pm |
re: #540 Alouette
I just watched "True Grit" (the Jeff Bridges version) and I can't believe how irritated I was by the stylized dialogue. I saw the John Wayne version years ago, and I thought the dialogue was, you know, the way people really talked in the 1870's.
Now that I know there was a lot more illiteracy in the 1870's, and people did not freaking talk the way the literate folks wrote. People talked the way they talked in Mark Twain novels, incomprehensible ethnic dialects.
//
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:22:31pm |
re: #522 sagehen
oh, that's cute... he's closing DMV offices in Democratic districts, and expanding hours of the DMV offices in Republican districts.
Very subtle.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:22:36pm |
re: #535 HappyWarrior
Sure as hell looked that way.
Yeah and watch them scream "elitisitssss!!!!!!!" at the competition.
Assholes.
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Lidane Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:22:48pm |
Just watched the Orange Speaker spew a bunch of bullshit and toe the teahadist line. Looks like default is what is for dinner.
At this point, all the Republicans will be focused on is how to blame Democrats for the fall-out.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:22:58pm |
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:24:14pm |
re: #540 Alouette
I just watched "True Grit" (the Jeff Bridges version) and I can't believe how irritated I was by the stylized dialogue. I saw the John Wayne version years ago, and I thought the dialogue was, you know, the way people really talked in the 1870's.
Now that I know there was a lot more illiteracy in the 1870's, and people did not freaking talk the way the literate folks wrote. People talked the way they talked in Mark Twain novels, incomprehensible ethnic dialects.
//
Oh boy.. Almost every critic in the world loved the Screenplay.. Said it was true to the book.. I never read the book
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Kragar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:25:10pm |
re: #546 Cannadian Club Akbar
One of the things writers have problems with is writing dialogue.
That and the need to introduce Mr. Exposition about 2/3 of the way into the movie
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:25:23pm |
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Political Atheist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:25:46pm |
re: #534 Floral Giraffe
Hope it listens.
re: #533 Thanos
A short message I just sent to my congress critter:
Message Subject: Don' Default
Message Text:
We can't afford it, my job can't take it, and my home and 401k have dropped enough in value. Please do the right thing for your constituents and not the irresponsible thing for show. We will not forgive you if you make that mistake.
If a default happens, my day job may disappear. The same job that survived the Carter era recession, the great recession and the export of 3/4 or more of the mfg base offshore. Pardon me I rarely f bomb a thread but FUCK THESE TEA PARTY POSERS.
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Gus Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:26:00pm |
re: #529 CuriousLurker
Relax, McFroggypants. Just tell 'em you have Muslim friends. ;)
Check your Twitter messages.
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Randall Gross Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:26:59pm |
That's what's so tricky about True Grit -- both versions. It is a literary movie -- the vehicle the story is told through is someones stylized retrospective memoirs, hence the overdone literary dialogue and narration.
Remember the last bit of narration at the end of Unforgiven? I think that the Cohen bros were trying for that type of feeling all movie long.
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McSpiff Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:28:22pm |
re: #555 Rightwingconspirator
re: #533 Thanos
If a default happens, my day job may disappear. The same job that survived the Carter era recession, the great recession and the export of 3/4 or more of the mfg base offshore. Pardon me I rarely f bomb a thread but FUCK THESE TEA PARTY POSERS.
Hope it works out ok for you.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:28:55pm |
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:30:13pm |
re: #555 Rightwingconspirator
re: #533 Thanos
If a default happens, my day job may disappear. The same job that survived the Carter era recession, the great recession and the export of 3/4 or more of the mfg base offshore. Pardon me I rarely f bomb a thread but FUCK THESE TEA PARTY POSERS.
I could be in trouble too. I got my dream job at an FQHC providing health care for mostly low income Medicaid patients. I can't see Medicaid not being hit massively by a default.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:30:51pm |
re: #555 Rightwingconspirator
Sideways.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:31:12pm |
re: #552 HoosierHoops
Oh boy.. Almost every critic in the world loved the Screenplay.. Said it was true to the book.. I never read the book
The book was an overblown stylized literary anchor. People DID NOT talk that way in the 1870's, or ever.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:31:17pm |
re: #558 McSpiff
Thanks. This is why Studio11 is so important to us. It's my fail safe. I do not want to page a resume. :)
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Randall Gross Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:32:10pm |
here's that quote from Unforgiven that I was thinking of:
Some years later, Mrs. Ansonia Feathers made the arduous journey to Hodgeman County to visit the last resting place of her only daughter. William Munny had long since disappeared with the children... some said to San Francisco where it was rumored he prospered in dry goods. And there was nothing on the marker to explain to Mrs. Feathers why her only daughter had married a known thief and murderer, a man of notoriously vicious and intemperate disposition.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:32:15pm |
David Frum stands in and whacks Obama:
If the debt ceiling crisis were a movie, President Barack Obama would deserve an Oscar for his performance in the role of "the last reasonable man."
But of course the crisis is not a movie. The crisis is a deadly serious clash of ideas and interests. And there, the president has lost his way
Obama has lost his way so badly that even his core liberal supporters should be questioning whether they have got the right man in the job.
The indictment has five headings:
1. Obama has ceased to lead on the economy.
The management guru Stephen Covey famously said: "The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing." Economic recovery is -- or should be -- the main thing. In 2009, Obama advanced a series of bold proposals to accelerate recovery: his big fiscal stimulus, the auto bailout and so on.
The president's proposals did not fail, exactly. But they did not work as advertised. The American economy limps weakly forward, leaving millions out of work.
During the Great Depression, President Franklin Roosevelt demanded from his administration "bold, persistent experimentation." By contrast, Obama put measures in place at the beginning and waited for them to yield results. And waited. And waited. And waited.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:32:28pm |
re: #552 HoosierHoops
Oh boy.. Almost every critic in the world loved the Screenplay.. Said it was true to the book.. I never read the book
LOTR was true to the book.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:33:12pm |
re: #562 Alouette
The book was an overblown stylized literary anchor. People DID NOT talk that way in the 1870's, or ever.
I'm sure they didn't, but I very much enjoyed the movie. I'm also sure the ancient Romans didn't have British accents either, but Gladiator was awesome.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:33:46pm |
re: #565 Dark_Falcon
David Frum stands in and whacks Obama:
So he Whacks Obama by saying he didn't spend enough during the Stimulus....
Poor, poor David Frum, he's not long for the Republican Party.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:33:57pm |
Alrighty. Need to write another cover letter and send out an updated resume, updated by Reine. See ya'll in the AM.:)
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Kragar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:34:06pm |
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Randall Gross Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:34:26pm |
Dow futures are already neg 39 from the start of the speech...
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:34:42pm |
re: #565 Dark_Falcon
David Frum stands in and whacks Obama:
Nobody listens to David Frum. Not even Republicans.
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:35:40pm |
re: #562 Alouette
The book was an overblown stylized literary anchor. People DID NOT talk that way in the 1870's, or ever.
Dear Mama...
It would be cool if people did talk that way in 1870...
/I just love the new baby picture yesterday.. You must be so proud
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sagehen Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:35:46pm |
re: #572 moderatelyradicalliberal
Nobody listens to David Frum.
Not evenEspecially not Republicans.
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Lidane Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:36:23pm |
re: #555 Rightwingconspirator
re: #533 Thanos
If a default happens, my day job may disappear. The same job that survived the Carter era recession, the great recession and the export of 3/4 or more of the mfg base offshore. Pardon me I rarely f bomb a thread but FUCK THESE TEA PARTY POSERS.
Sideways with a 2x4. And no lube or kiss, either.
If a default happens, my student loans disappear, which means I won't have a way to pay my bills next month, or for anything after August 31, including rent and food. I will end up getting evicted and not be able to finish my degree.
In short, I'll be fucked.
I've voted Republican before, but if the GOP causes us to default, I can't imagine a single scenario where I could ever vote for the GOP again at any point in the future. As if being batshit crazy wasn't enough, if they personally make it where I end up evicted and kicked out of grad school, I won't forgive them. Ever.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:37:08pm |
re: #571 Thanos
Dow futures are already neg 39 from the start of the speech...
I sure hope the Wall Streeters are happy that they encouraged these Teahadist idiots. The only silver lining I can see is that they might actually lose their money if we default along with everyone else.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:37:25pm |
re: #567 moderatelyradicalliberal
I'm sure they didn't, but I very much enjoyed the movie. I'm also sure the ancient Romans didn't have British accents either, but Gladiator was awesome.
Hey, if Mel Gibson can do movies in ancient Aramaic and Mayan, I don't see why they can't make a Western with authentic 1870's frontier dialect!
(spit! spit! spit!)
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jaunte Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:37:43pm |
re: #565 Dark_Falcon
Obama had a unique chance to influence the debate, because through the summer of 2010 two of the seven seats on the Fed's Board of Governors stood vacant. The president nominated expansion-minded governors to fill the seats. The nominations were put on hold by Republican senators. And what did the president do? Did he take to the airways to demand action on his nominees? Did he punish the senators by stopping federal projects in their states? Did he fill the seats with recess appointments?
I don't think even Frum believes this would have been effective.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:38:43pm |
re: #575 Lidane
Sideways with a 2x4. And no lube or kiss, either.
If a default happens, my student loans disappear, which means I won't have a way to pay my bills next month, or for anything after August 31, including rent and food. I will end up getting evicted and not be able to finish my degree.
In short, I'll be fucked.
I've voted Republican before, but if the GOP causes us to default, I can't imagine a single scenario where I could ever vote for the GOP again at any point in the future. As if being batshit crazy wasn't enough, if they personally make it where I end up evicted and kicked out of grad school, I won't forgive them. Ever.
I wish everyone else felt that way. But apparently some people think what the GOP is doing is just awesome.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:39:04pm |
re: #568 jamesfirecat
So he Whacks Obama by saying he didn't spend enough during the Stimulus...
Poor, poor David Frum, he's not long for the Republican Party.
I don't see him saying that. What he said was that Obama didn't react when his initial plan failed and that he has not acted effectively in the current budget and debt battles. He's handed the ball off to Biden and Reid and has contributed little save hot air.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:39:14pm |
re: #575 Lidane
A default would put masses of people out to protest. It could get ugly, as in violent. We must not suffer that kind of failure as a people. It would stain us for years and years.
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Lidane Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:39:41pm |
re: #579 moderatelyradicalliberal
I wish everyone else felt that way. But apparently some people think what the GOP is doing is just awesome.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
That's because they're either deliberately dense or they're not paying attention. A default will hurt them too.
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Lidane Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:40:17pm |
re: #580 Dark_Falcon
Pfft. As if the right cares what David Frum thinks. He's just a RINO in their book.
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Kragar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:40:29pm |
And for those of you who have missed it, how LOTR should have gone
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:41:19pm |
re: #565 Dark_Falcon
David Frum stands in and whacks Obama:
Vicariously, no doubt.
Feel vindicated, now?
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:41:42pm |
re: #578 jaunte
I don't think even Frum believes this would have been effective.
So David Frum is upset because a Democratic President. No, a black Democratic president has been unsuccessful in reasoning with the GOP, something that David Frum himself can't do. David Frum wants Obama to figure out a way to tame the radical elements of the GOP because Republicans themselves have failed to do so.
Well, I'll be damned. Everything really is Obama's fault.
//
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:42:29pm |
re: #583 Lidane
Pfft. As if the right cares what David Frum thinks. He's just a RINO in their book.
They HATE him, about like Breivik and crew hates the children of the socialists.
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jaunte Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:43:21pm |
re: #586 moderatelyradicalliberal
Socialism!
“President Obama has been packing federal agencies with left-wing ideologues, but thankfully he won’t be able to for at least the next week," Sen. Jim DeMint, R-SC, said in a statement emailed to the Examiner. "The House will not be sending an adjournment resolution to the Senate, we will remain in pro forma session, and no controversial nominees will be allowed to circumvent the confirmation process during the break.” [Link: washingtonexaminer.com...]
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What, me worry? Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:43:59pm |
re: #584 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
And for those of you who have missed it, how LOTR should have gone
That was awesome!
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:44:15pm |
re: #584 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
And for those of you who have missed it, how LOTR should have gone
LMAO!
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:44:53pm |
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austin_blue Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:45:24pm |
re: #575 Lidane
Sideways with a 2x4. And no lube or kiss, either.
If a default happens, my student loans disappear, which means I won't have a way to pay my bills next month, or for anything after August 31, including rent and food. I will end up getting evicted and not be able to finish my degree.
In short, I'll be fucked.
I've voted Republican before, but if the GOP causes us to default, I can't imagine a single scenario where I could ever vote for the GOP again at any point in the future. As if being batshit crazy wasn't enough, if they personally make it where I end up evicted and kicked out of grad school, I won't forgive them. Ever.
We presently have a similar economic refugee living in our studio/apartment, which used to be a two car garage, who had to file bankruptcy earlier this year. It's got a full bath! She is getting back on her feet and should be on her own by the end of August. We have not been charging her (actually, we couldn't because we don't have a second Certificate of Occupancy), but we wouldn't even if we could. Let's see how things work out.
If we have an open space, it is yours. We are just south of Barton Springs Road. Easy commute to St. Ed's. Don't know how I can help with tuition, but you should have a roof.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:45:32pm |
re: #584 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
And for those of you who have missed it, how LOTR should have gone
No, they should have got those giant eagles to drop the ring into the volcano. Then the movie would be over in like 10 minutes.
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austin_blue Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:47:16pm |
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Lidane Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:47:21pm |
re: #593 austin_blue
Thanks. :)
With any luck it won't come to that. I hope enough people knock some sense into the GOP assholes and try to stop a default.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:47:29pm |
BRB
I'm out for a strong smoke and a shot of spirits.
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Renaissance_Man Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:48:40pm |
re: #578 jaunte
I don't think even Frum believes this would have been effective.
Actually, not using the bully pulpit of the presidency is something I do believe Obama can be faulted for. You simply cannot allow the reprehensible actions of an insane cult to hold up governance and threaten world stability, not when you're the President of the United States and leader of the free world. Yes, the US system awards far too much power to this insane cult. Yes, this insane cult has a stranglehold on the all-powerful US media. All of that is terrible. But still, you are the President of the United States, and everything you say and do is news. You have to find a way to use that power to get things done.
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austin_blue Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:49:13pm |
re: #596 Lidane
Thanks. :)
With any luck it won't come to that. I hope enough people knock some sense into the GOP assholes and try to stop a default.
No worries! That back house has been the refuge of many a human in need over the last 14 years. You deserve it, if you need it.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:49:24pm |
re: #575 Lidane
Sideways with a 2x4. And no lube or kiss, either.
If a default happens, my student loans disappear, which means I won't have a way to pay my bills next month, or for anything after August 31, including rent and food. I will end up getting evicted and not be able to finish my degree.
Yes. this is right in time for Fall Semester/Quarter.
In short, I'll be fucked.
I've voted Republican before, but if the GOP causes us to default, I can't imagine a single scenario where I could ever vote for the GOP again at any point in the future. As if being batshit crazy wasn't enough, if they personally make it where I end up evicted and kicked out of grad school, I won't forgive them. Ever.
Voting Republican just isn't worth it.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:51:25pm |
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:52:01pm |
re: #598 Renaissance_Man
Actually, not using the bully pulpit of the presidency is something I do believe Obama can be faulted for. You simply cannot allow the reprehensible actions of an insane cult to hold up governance and threaten world stability, not when you're the President of the United States and leader of the free world. Yes, the US system awards far too much power to this insane cult. Yes, this insane cult has a stranglehold on the all-powerful US media. All of that is terrible. But still, you are the President of the United States, and everything you say and do is news. You have to find a way to use that power to get things done.
There are reports that web servers have crashed as a result of the president instructing Americans to contact their reps in Congress. So maybe there is something to the whole bully pulpit thing.
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Randall Gross Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:53:13pm |
Hey, for lizards w/ Tweetdeck here are my latest filtered out list, feel free to copy:
@tahdeetz, @danie_b_avraham, @danielbenavraha, @thefreedomfan, @xcitizen10, @chenzhen, @xcitizen, @freedomfan2100, @blogmocracy, @headjerk, @whiteshot, @lizrdroid, @jazzyponytail, @dolphincatcher, @lizardstomp, @comment17, @lgf_charles, @shitdorksays, @joest73, @serr8d, @ludwigvanquxote, @fetishbird, @slinkybewmont, @lgf_stpancake, @mistercaps, @obdicut, @218822, @lizardroid, @killgore_trout, @chuckles3000, @gus_903, @atheistcommnwi, @meechelleo, @barrysux, @andilinks, @rbwalsh_scifi, @obama_games, @arunawayslave, @architekt010, @jinzang, @mad_gav, @zachsmind, @bacfa, @streetglidin09, @chenzhen, @1389, @gus_812
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:53:40pm |
re: #598 Renaissance_Man
Actually, not using the bully pulpit of the presidency is something I do believe Obama can be faulted for. You simply cannot allow the reprehensible actions of an insane cult to hold up governance and threaten world stability, not when you're the President of the United States and leader of the free world. Yes, the US system awards far too much power to this insane cult. Yes, this insane cult has a stranglehold on the all-powerful US media. All of that is terrible. But still, you are the President of the United States, and everything you say and do is news. You have to find a way to use that power to get things done.
It's an old dilemma. Either he rules by fiat on some things or he doesn't. I tend to disagree with bully-pulpit arguments. But I don't doubt when backed into a corner he's not very pleasant to deal with, either.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:54:25pm |
re: #603 Thanos
Hey, for lizards w/ Tweetdeck here are my latest filtered out list, feel free to copy:
@tahdeetz, @danie_b_avraham, @danielbenavraha, @thefreedomfan, @xcitizen10, @chenzhen, @xcitizen, @freedomfan2100, @blogmocracy, @headjerk, @whiteshot, @lizrdroid, @jazzyponytail, @dolphincatcher, @lizardstomp, @comment17, @lgf_charles, @shitdorksays, @joest73, @serr8d, @ludwigvanquxote, @fetishbird, @slinkybewmont, @lgf_stpancake, @mistercaps, @obdicut, @218822, @lizardroid, @killgore_trout, @chuckles3000, @gus_903, @atheistcommnwi, @meechelleo, @barrysux, @andilinks, @rbwalsh_scifi, @obama_games, @arunawayslave, @architekt010, @jinzang, @mad_gav, @zachsmind, @bacfa, @streetglidin09, @chenzhen, @1389, @gus_812
Wanna add @ocihacosp to that? I won't take it personally if not.
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austin_blue Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:54:43pm |
re: #565 Dark_Falcon
David Frum stands in and whacks Obama:
So how many of those mistakes were forced upon him by the R's? He's been trying to play the moderate fixer among whacks on both sides.
The Centrist is a hard role to play when the zipperheads on each fringe are screaming their heads off. He is stating the moderate line here, and is just stating facts.
Frum is hitting him from both sides when he is trying to maintain balance.
Not fair.
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Spocomptonite Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:54:45pm |
re: #160 zora
if i could make a man from scratch, he would end up looking just like jason momoa (ronan from stargate atlantis) and he's going to be conan the barbarian. i think that's about as bad as you can get. [Link: www.imdb.com...]
For nigh on two years a group of us had weekly Stargate marathons. When we started Stargate: Atlantis, the girls watched it for Ronan. The guys watched it to make fun of the girls for watching it for Ronan.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:55:46pm |
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Four More Tears Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:56:00pm |
re: #605 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
No no, those are the names to filter out, not to follow.
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Randall Gross Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:56:25pm |
#605 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
done, also I think I filtered WUB in there, but he was retweeting the fake names so much I had to. Take out @fetishbird probably...
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:57:07pm |
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Lidane Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:57:09pm |
re: #606 austin_blue
The Centrist is a hard role to play when the zipperheads on each fringe are screaming their heads off. He is stating the moderate line here, and is just stating facts.
Seriously. The moonbat idiots on the far left are wanting to primary Obama for any cuts to social programs, while the GOP/TP wingnuts are perfectly happy to let this country fall into an economic shitstorm if it might win them the next election.
It's nauseating.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:57:12pm |
re: #605 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Wanna add @ocihacosp to that? I won't take it personally if not.
Those are people to filter out.
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KT Smells like Roses and Ranbows Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:57:13pm |
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:57:53pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:58:06pm |
re: #610 Thanos
#605 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
done, also I think I filtered WUB in there, but he was retweeting the fake names so much I had to. Take out @fetishbird probably...
@ocihacosp is me. I misunderstood, pls don't filter out.
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KT Smells like Roses and Ranbows Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:58:14pm |
re: #614 Killgore Trout Stinks
Sockus Puppetus Resurectus?
/Victorious!
Heh, I forgot how funny that avatar is.
/he said, ending a sentence in a preposition
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:58:58pm |
re: #617 Killgore Trout Stinks
Heh, I forgot how funny that avatar is.
/he said, ending a sentence in a preposition
That avatar is pretty awesome.
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Randall Gross Mon, Jul 25, 2011 7:59:36pm |
re: #616 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Ok, I will follow instead. :)
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:00:27pm |
re: #612 Lidane
Seriously. The moonbat idiots on the far left are wanting to primary Obama for any cuts to social programs, while the GOP/TP wingnuts are perfectly happy to let this country fall into an economic shitstorm if it might win them the next election.
It's nauseating.
The FDL/Chris Hedges/Glen Ford crowd. I can't stand them.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:01:01pm |
re: #603 Thanos
Below is my list. It's not just stalkers, it's also assorted wingnuts & religious fanatics. I'll merge them later and post an update somewhere.
@_HardRight_ Colorado, @1389, @1776LibertyBell, @1jrstafford, @218822, @3212Brandy, @AaronWorthing , @adorilima, @AFasterPC, @Alexander_Wh, @America1First, @armarosnews, @BaguaCl, @BarrettBrownLOL, @BillyDKidddd, @Bldr_John, @Blogmocracy, @Bloodofmyfather, @bluecollartodd, @boman5x, @campusliberty1, @CFROAV, @ChenZhen, @Chuckles3000, @CommMarine, @conservtivemom, @ConservUSA38, @Counter_Force, @coutpost, @CrustyB, @cv2012, @DailyPamphlet, @Danie_b_Avraham, @day_deals, @DE_Tea_Party, @DefeatBarack, @DiannPoore, @diaryofdaedalus, @directorblue, @dolphincatcher, @DougDauntless, @dubplusundead, @ewsilyahoocom, @exposeliberals2, @fabiosassos, @FAMDOC7, @flforpawlenty, @franwisreine, @FreedomFan2100, @Geevers1, @greatak, @GregWHoward, @grizzlymamabear, @Gus_812, @Gus_903, @HollywoodNeoCon, @I_Hate_Hippies, @informedblackmn, @IronTim85, @israelcatholic, @JazzyPonytail, @JewishIdeas, @jimmcgilvary, @joest73, @John_Scotus, @JONWEXFORD, @Justicereport, @killgore_trout, @Kindy88, @LaydiHD, @LGF_Charles, @LGF_StPancake, @LibertyPatriot, @libradex, @LisaKrempasky, @lizarddawg, @Lizardroid, @LizardStomp, @LizRDroid , @ludwigvanquxote, @LudwigVanQuxote, @Mamadoxie, @marcusdemaria, @marketingwizdom, @MarkRMatthews, @Marks2Cents, @MarxistAlert, @meaghanorasfjjb, @MiaStock, @MikeMunzing, @MinutemanSteve, @MisterCaps, @Morg25, @MrHappy4870, @n0pox, @NarniaDad, @NickiVernon, @Notaxincreases, @NotWorthyofthe1, @NTARC, @Obdicut, @Oleharold, @onesoldiersmom, @OneTruthHunter, @onlinegunclub, @pam_lord, @partyot, @pauline_ma, @phroya, @POXnewz, @rachelveronica, @rdigirlcjnelson, @RealEstateAHY, @ReligionUpdate, @ropideayesmin, @Ron_Woodward, @RonKonkoma1, @roundvacancy87, @RussHickson, @s01une, @samalliance , @ScheduleEmails , @Scuzzydirtbag, @searfoss70, @sabrinayesmin67, @Serr8d, @shitdorksays, @ShitDorkSays, @shrinipedia, @SlinkyBewmont, @Smalltalkwitht, @snarkynavel , @SOHLTC, @socialmedianew, @StupidBoomers, @tcottruth, @TerminalVe, @TheFlaCracker, @thefreedomguy, @ThemeFuse, @ThePaganTemple, @thomasa56, @tographer, @TomCruiseTruveo, @tommidavis, @ToRenewAmerica, @TPO_Hisself, @tutortutororg, @tweetdrudge, @tweetie2birdie, @Two_Buck_Chuck, @TxRunner12, @UncleCrumpty, @under_dogma, @unemployeed2, @uspolitical, @USRealityCheck, @UtherFriday, @velvethammer, @VRWCTexan, @waptoqdah99, @WebsZachAndrews, @WeThePeopleRant, @WoodRN, @WorldDivider, @writestuffla, @Xcitizen10, @XmyHobbies, @zags342
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jaunte Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:02:41pm |
re: #621 CuriousLurker
Wow, that's like an @ideastarterforreactionaryorganizations
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Randall Gross Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:03:08pm |
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:05:08pm |
re: #622 jaunte
Wow, that's like an @ideastarterforreactionaryorganizations
Heh, yeah I know. I started the list shortly after I opened my CL Twitter account.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:05:16pm |
re: #621 CuriousLurker
Below is my list. It's not just stalkers, it's also assorted wingnuts & religious fanatics. I'll merge them later and post an update somewhere.
@_HardRight_ Colorado, @1389, @1776LibertyBell, @1jrstafford, @218822, @3212Brandy, @AaronWorthing , @adorilima, @AFasterPC, @Alexander_Wh, @America1First, @armarosnews, @BaguaCl, @BarrettBrownLOL, @BillyDKiddd, @Bldr_John, @Blogmocracy, @Bloodofmyfather, @bluecollartodd, @boman5x, @campusliberty1, @CFROAV, @ChenZhen, @Chuckles3000, @CommMarine, @conservtivemom, @ConservUSA38, @Counter_Force, @coutpost, @CrustyB, @cv2012, @DailyPamphlet, @Danie_b_Avraham, @day_deals, @DE_Tea_Party, @DefeatBarack, @DiannPoore, @diaryofdaedalus, @directorblue, @dolphincatcher, @DougDauntless, @dubplusundead, @ewsilyahoocom, @exposeliberals2, @fabiosassos, @FAMDOC7, @flforpawlenty, @franwisreine, @FreedomFan2100, @Geevers1, @greatak, @GregWHoward, @grizzlymamabear, @Gus_812, @Gus_903, @HollywoodNeoCon, @I_Hate_Hippies, @informedblackmn, @IronTim85, @israelcatholic, @JazzyPonytail, @JewishIdeas, @jimmcgilvary, @joest73, @John_Scotus, @JONWEXFORD, @Justicereport, @killgore_trout, @Kindy88, @LaydiHD, @LGF_Charles, @LGF_StPancake, @LibertyPatriot, @libradex, @LisaKrempasky, @lizarddawg, @Lizardroid, @LizardStomp, @LizRDroid , @ludwigvanquxote, @LudwigVanQuxote, @Mamadoxie, @marcusdemaria, @marketingwizdom, @MarkRMatthews, @Marks2Cents, @MarxistAlert, @meaghanorasfjjb, @MiaStock, @MikeMunzing, @MinutemanSteve, @MisterCaps, @Morg25, @MrHappy4870, @n0pox, @NarniaDad, @NickiVernon, @Notaxincreases, @NotWorthyofthe1, @NTARC, @Obdicut, @Oleharold, @onesoldiersmom, @OneTruthHunter, @onlinegunclub, @pam_lord, @partyot, @pauline_ma, @phroya, @POXnewz, @rachelveronica, @rdigirlcjnelson, @RealEstateAHY, @ReligionUpdate, @ropideayesmin, @Ron_Woodward, @RonKonkoma1, @roundvacancy87, @RussHickson, @s01une, @samalliance , @ScheduleEmails , @Scuzzydirtbag, @searfoss70, @sabrinayesmin67, @Serr8d, @shitdorksays, @ShitDorkSays, @shrinipedia, @SlinkyBewmont, @Smalltalkwitht, @snarkynavel , @SOHLTC, @socialmedianew, @StupidBoomers, @tcottruth, @TerminalVe, @TheFlaCracker, @thefreedomguy, @ThemeFuse, @ThePaganTemple, @thomasa56, @tographer, @TomCruiseTruveo, @tommidavis, @ToRenewAmerica, @TPO_Hisself, @tutortutororg, @tweetdrudge, @tweetie2birdie, @Two_Buck_Chuck, @TxRunner12, @UncleCrumpty, @under_dogma, @unemployeed2, @uspolitical, @USRealityCheck, @UtherFriday, @velvethammer, @VRWCTexan, @waptoqdah99, @WebsZachAndrews, @WeThePeopleRant, @WoodRN, @WorldDivider, @writestuffla, @Xcitizen10, @XmyHobbies, @zags342
Good list. That's pretty much all of the freaks. You might add "ShitwhatDorksays" to the list. It was an account started to Twitter-Stalk yours truly.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:05:41pm |
re: #621 CuriousLurker
Anybody ever meet up with @conservativeIND?
Lol she is hilarious. We had a very fun conversation about why I'm supposed to vote Republican as a Black person.
/Schadenfreude /smackdown memories
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:06:26pm |
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palomino Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:06:57pm |
re: #565 Dark_Falcon
David Frum stands in and whacks Obama:
Frum is essentially saying that Obama should be more like FDR. I can't imagine that a smorgasbord of alphabet soup programs would make you happy, or meet with much approval outside the portion of the Dem Party that supported a public healthcare option.
Frum has to fill up column space, he couldn't possibly think that it would be a good thing for Obama to more of a liberal firebrand.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:07:21pm |
re: #625 Dark_Falcon
Ah, yet another variation. Thanks, I'll add it.
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austin_blue Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:09:09pm |
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:09:46pm |
re: #628 palomino
Frum is essentially saying that Obama should be more like FDR. I can't imagine that a smorgasbord of alphabet soup programs would make you happy, or meet with much approval outside the portion of the Dem Party that supported a public healthcare option.
Frum has to fill up column space, he couldn't possibly think that it would be a good thing for Obama to more of a liberal firebrand.
Well how is Frum and other Republicans suppose to pain Obama as some kind of communist if he insists on being more blandly centrist than butterless bread....?
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palomino Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:10:06pm |
re: #574 sagehen
Yeah, Frum jumped the gop shark right after the election when he correctly identified the tea party for what it is: reactionary populism at its know-nothing worst. Since then, he's gop persona non grata...he recognized the dangers of winning with the TP and refused to jump on that horse.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:10:10pm |
re: #626 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Anybody ever meet up with @conservativeIND?
Lol she is hilarious. We had a very fun conversation about why I'm supposed to vote Republican as a Black person.
/Schadenfreude /smackdown memories
Never heard of her.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:10:15pm |
re: #631 jamesfirecat
Well how is Frum and other Republicans suppose to painT Obama as some kind of communist if he insists on being more blandly centrist than butterless bread...?
PIMF.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:11:52pm |
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palomino Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:11:56pm |
re: #580 Dark_Falcon
I don't see him saying that. What he said was that Obama didn't react when his initial plan failed and that he has not acted effectively in the current budget and debt battles. He's handed the ball off to Biden and Reid and has contributed little save hot air.
Wait, didn't Obama have an agreement nearly worked out with Boehner? An agreement which failed because Obama wanted another 400 bil in revenue hikes and Boehner wouldn't budge. AND ALSO because the TP caucus in the House made it clear they wouldn't go along with ANY revenue increases.
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jaunte Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:13:55pm |
Jon Stewart is saying Congress is 'like that person who doesn't have the balls to end the relationship, so has decided to act like such a giant asshole that we end it for them'.
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What, me worry? Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:13:59pm |
re: #603 Thanos
Thank ye. I recognize a bunch of those. How creepy.
Btw, the Lizard Man isn't around is he? Anyone having trouble with getting a "duplicate comment" error when hitting the "Post This Comment" button?
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:16:09pm |
re: #638 marjoriemoon
Have you tried logging out, clearing your browser's cache, then closing your browser and restarting it? That often solves random misbehavior.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:17:33pm |
I'm on the phone, which is why I'm lurking.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:20:10pm |
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Kragar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:20:18pm |
Kids
"Is there any of that cheese left?"
"Well, I had a cheese sandwich yesterday."
"OK, is there any left?"
"We used some for breakfast too."
"Is there any left?"
"...No."
/facepalm
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What, me worry? Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:20:21pm |
re: #639 CuriousLurker
Have you tried logging out, clearing your browser's cache, then closing your browser and restarting it? That often solves random misbehavior.
Ah yes, that did help once before. It usually happens after I've opened a new tab.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:20:42pm |
re: #642 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
{Flips OCSP the bird)
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What, me worry? Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:21:52pm |
re: #642 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Criminey! That's a blast from the past!
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austin_blue Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:21:53pm |
Okey dokey, then, I'm for some kip. Sweet dreams to all Lizards (whether I agree with you or not, I still respect your opinions).
(Other boards have head explosions.)
Which is why I like this board. I believe we have tilted a little too far to the left in the way we treat our Right, Right/Center Lizards. We don't want to remove legitimate argument here, do we?
Should we take down the volume here and really *listen* to all of the Lizard's here and maintain some sense of decency, or just pile on to differing opinions, which is what this board used to be in '07?
I would certainly vote for the latter.
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jaunte Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:21:58pm |
Norquist Tells GOP To Allow Debt Limit Increase
It is gambling with the economics of the country to get that far,” Norquist said. “Rather than close the government down or go into default, let’s take it to the American people, go into the next election, and fix things then.”
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Kronocide Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:22:05pm |
re: #643 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Kids
"Is there any of that cheese left?"
"Well, I had a cheese sandwich yesterday."
"OK, is there any left?"
"We used some for breakfast too."
"Is there any left?"
"...No."/facepalm
Sounds like a conversation with my wife. I crave efficiency and deplore ambiguity. But Wifey, her charms are many. So I fuss and complain, and put up with it....
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Political Atheist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:22:32pm |
re: #621 CuriousLurker
My word, the freak list is that long?
I had no idea. *jaw hangs*
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austin_blue Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:22:44pm |
re: #647 austin_blue
Okey dokey, then, I'm for some kip. Sweet dreams to all Lizards (whether I agree with you or not, I still respect your opinions).
(Other boards have head explosions.)
Which is why I like this board. I believe we have tilted a little too far to the left in the way we treat our Right, Right/Center Lizards. We don't want to remove legitimate argument here, do we?
Should we take down the volume here and really *listen* to all of the Lizard's here and maintain some sense of decency, or just pile on to differing opinions, which is what this board used to be in '07?
I would certainly vote for the latter.
Oh, and good night all, sweet scaly dreams!
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:23:00pm |
re: #645 Dark_Falcon
{Flips OCSP the bird)
Dark if you get a chance, before you got to bed tonight I honestly want to hear you explain why you think Multiculturalism has failed (and to a certain degree what you think multiculturalism is) I think it's sort of a big issue and I'd prefer you lay it all out for me rather than just leaving me in the dark to think the worst of you...
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Lidane Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:23:35pm |
re: #648 jaunte
Looks like Grover looked at what his investment portfolio would become if we defaulted.
I don't trust him but if he's saying make a deal, then hopefully others are too.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:23:55pm |
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Political Atheist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:25:05pm |
Downloading TweetDeck now and thank you very much CuriousLurker.
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Kronocide Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:25:19pm |
I'd like to know how multiculturalism has failed as well. After all, it's what this experiment called America has been founded upon.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:25:22pm |
re: #650 Rightwingconspirator
My word, the freak list is that long?
I had no idea. *jaw hangs*
Now try to imagine what Charles' list looks like... O_o
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palomino Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:25:35pm |
re: #653 Lidane
Looks like Grover looked at what his investment portfolio would become if we defaulted.
I don't trust him but if he's saying make a deal, then hopefully others are too.
That sure is nice of Grover to let one of our two major parties actually do something.
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jaunte Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:26:37pm |
re: #652 jamesfirecat
I think since most of us are Americans we automatically assume individual rights supersede group rights, and multiculturalism is just about getting along with other people who don't come from a similar background. Where things begin to get complicated: laws that are written to privilege group rights over individual rights can become a problem.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:27:23pm |
re: #655 Rightwingconspirator
Downloading TweetDeck now and thank you very much CuriousLurker.
My pleasure. ;)
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:28:30pm |
re: #653 Lidane
Looks like Grover looked at what his investment portfolio would become if we defaulted.
QFT
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:28:36pm |
re: #657 CuriousLurker
Now try to imagine what Charles' list looks like... O_o
His must be miles long.
I've never kept track of the ID-10T's, hair-on-fire con bigots, "anti-Zionists" and general aholes I've booted. Maybe only half a handful are memorable. The rest...dumb stupid bigots, screw em.
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Kronocide Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:30:06pm |
The American Experiment will really be tested now that non-Christians might be integrated. Previous inclusions have been from Christian based ethnic/cultural groups so at least there was that common thread.
Now we have 'others' wanting in. Including godless atheists. Now is the real challenge.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:30:40pm |
re: #659 jaunte
I think since most of us are Americans we automatically assume individual rights supersede group rights, and multiculturalism is just about getting along with other people who don't come from a similar background. Where things begin to get complicated: laws that are written to privilege group rights over individual rights can become a problem.
Group rights laws are what landed us in our current boat to begin with. That's all segregation, immigration quotas against Asia, privileging ability over disability, and smallpox blankets were, was legal expression of group rights.
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Lidane Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:31:24pm |
re: #658 palomino
That sure is nice of Grover to let one of our two major parties actually do something.
What does he care who does it as long as his investments are safe?
As much of an anti-tax lunatic he might be, even Grover knows that Defaults Are Bad.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:31:50pm |
re: #662 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
His must be miles long.
I've never kept track of the ID-10T's, hair-on-fire con bigots, "anti-Zionists" and general aholes I've booted. Maybe only half a handful are memorable. The rest...dumb stupid bigots, screw em.
I agree, they are. But I figure if I can help others avoid dealing with them by spending 2 seconds to copy & paste whoever I block into a text file, then I don't mind. It's not a big effort.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:32:03pm |
re: #663 BigPapa
Really, what about all the Jews during & after WW?
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compound idaho Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:32:14pm |
re: #648 jaunte
So why are banks lending long term money at less than 5%? Hard to figure.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:33:01pm |
re: #667 Floral Giraffe
Really, what about all the Jews during & after WW?
///What you never heard of Judeo Christian values?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:34:08pm |
re: #666 CuriousLurker
I agree, they are. But I figure if I can help others avoid dealing with them by spending 2 seconds to copy & paste whoever I block into a text file, then I don't mind. It's not a big effort.
No you're right its a helpful list. Wasn't knocking it.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:35:09pm |
Random thought.
Life's little pleasures list top 10-It's fun to listen to a Pink album all cranked up loud with your spouse. I'm a shameless fan of that girl and her attitude.
[Link: www.google.com...]
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:35:58pm |
re: #670 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
No you're right its a helpful list. Wasn't knocking it.
Oh, I didn't think you were knocking it, I was just babbling.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:36:23pm |
re: #671 Rightwingconspirator
Random thought.
Life's little pleasures list top 10-It's fun to listen to a Pink album all cranked up loud with your spouse. I'm a shameless fan of that girl and her attitude.[Link: www.google.com...]
Ugh. Wrong link!
That's the one
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jaunte Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:36:50pm |
re: #664 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Here's one example of what I mean by the conflict between group rights and individual rights
In 1975, Julia andAudrey Martinez filed suit against
the Santa Clara Pueblo. Julia Martinez was a
Pueblo woman who had married a man outside
the tribe, and although her daughter Audrey had been
raised within the Pueblo community, she was denied
membership in the tribe. According to tribal membership
rules, instituted in 1939, women who married out
of the tribe could not transmit their membership to
their children, whereas men who married out could
pass their membership to their children. At stake for
Audrey Martinez was not only recognition as a tribal
member but also the political rights and material benefits
of tribal membership, including health care, education,
and housing assistance from the federal government.
On appeal, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled
that it could not hear the equal protection claim on
the grounds that it did not have jurisdiction over matters
of tribal membership. If the federal courts were
to intervene in tribal decisions, the Court added, they
would interfere with the “tribe’s ability to maintain
itself as a culturally and politically distinct entity”
(Santa Clara Pueblo v. Martinez, 436 U.S. 49 [1978],
123–24).
From Sarah Song, "Majority Norms, Multiculturalism, and Gender Equality"
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:37:30pm |
re: #671 Rightwingconspirator
I'm a shameless fan of that girl and her attitude.
Me too.
//See? I knew you weren't as buttoned down as you say...LOL
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palomino Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:38:05pm |
re: #665 Lidane
What does he care who does it as long as his investments are safe?
As much of an anti-tax lunatic he might be, even Grover knows that Defaults Are Bad.
It's just that it seems as if the gop needs a permission slip from Grover before they can do anything tax related.
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Kronocide Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:38:08pm |
re: #667 Floral Giraffe
Really, what about all the Jews during & after WW?
They would be 'non-Christian' I guess, so an exception. However I don't think they've ever been truly accepted as any other group. They've been accommodated during good times and vilified during pressing times, but never really accepted. I would hope they would be accepted, as Muslims and atheists would, accepted as countrymen and just as American as anybody else.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:38:20pm |
re: #647 austin_blue
Okey dokey, then, I'm for some kip. Sweet dreams to all Lizards (whether I agree with you or not, I still respect your opinions).
(Other boards have head explosions.)
Which is why I like this board. I believe we have tilted a little too far to the left in the way we treat our Right, Right/Center Lizards. We don't want to remove legitimate argument here, do we?
Should we take down the volume here and really *listen* to all of the Lizard's here and maintain some sense of decency, or just pile on to differing opinions, which is what this board used to be in '07?
I would certainly vote for the latter.
A gazillion updings if I could.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:38:28pm |
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Political Atheist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:39:04pm |
re: #676 CuriousLurker
Me too.
//See? I knew you weren't as buttoned down as you say...LOL
Hah. I'm blessed with an interesting & eclectic life, including this nice blog.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:39:33pm |
re: #652 jamesfirecat
Dark if you get a chance, before you got to bed tonight I honestly want to hear you explain why you think Multiculturalism has failed (and to a certain degree what you think multiculturalism is) I think it's sort of a big issue and I'd prefer you lay it all out for me rather than just leaving me in the dark to think the worst of you...
Honestly, that's a very complicated question and I'm not going to answer it tonight. I'm not in the mood to get hammered again. Anything I say will be taken as wrong by someone and there'll be a flood of questions, some of them hostile.
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jaunte Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:40:17pm |
re: #668 compound idaho
So why are banks lending long term money at less than 5%? Hard to figure.
Low demand:
In much of the country, small businesses are sitting on their hands, nervous about the future, and uninterested in taking on more debt. So they are not demanding loans, and community banks don't need capital.There are 7,000 community banks across the nation, according to the Independent Community Bankers of America (ICBA). But only 926 -- slightly more than 13% -- of those banks even applied to participate in the program.
"As part of the application, you had to have a small business lending plan to demonstrate that you could deploy this lending," said Paul Merski, executive vice president and chief economist of the ICBA. "You have to have small business loan demand."
In regions of the country hard hit by high unemployment and the collapse in the real estate markets, loan demand is nil, noted Merski.[Link: money.cnn.com...]
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:40:21pm |
re: #647 austin_blue
Okey dokey, then, I'm for some kip. Sweet dreams to all Lizards (whether I agree with you or not, I still respect your opinions).
(Other boards have head explosions.)
Which is why I like this board. I believe we have tilted a little too far to the left in the way we treat our Right, Right/Center Lizards. We don't want to remove legitimate argument here, do we?
Should we take down the volume here and really *listen* to all of the Lizard's here and maintain some sense of decency, or just pile on to differing opinions, which is what this board used to be in '07?
I would certainly vote for the latter.
Thank you, Austin.
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Kragar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:40:47pm |
re: #682 Dark_Falcon
Anything I say will be taken as wrong by someone and there'll be a flood of questions, some of them hostile.
What the fuck do you mean by that?
///
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palomino Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:40:53pm |
re: #682 Dark_Falcon
Honestly, that's a very complicated question and I'm not going to answer it tonight. I'm not in the mood to get hammered again. Anything I say will be taken as wrong by someone and there'll be a flood of questions, some of them hostile.
Aww, come on...you love it and you know it. And you're generally pretty good at putting up with the "hammering."
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Political Atheist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:41:03pm |
re: #647 austin_blue
Okey dokey, then, I'm for some kip. Sweet dreams to all Lizards (whether I agree with you or not, I still respect your opinions).
(Other boards have head explosions.)
Which is why I like this board. I believe we have tilted a little too far to the left in the way we treat our Right, Right/Center Lizards. We don't want to remove legitimate argument here, do we?
Should we take down the volume here and really *listen* to all of the Lizard's here and maintain some sense of decency, or just pile on to differing opinions, which is what this board used to be in '07?
I would certainly vote for the latter.
A toast to Austin Blue.
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Kronocide Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:41:37pm |
re: #682 Dark_Falcon
Honestly, that's a very complicated question and I'm not going to answer it tonight. I'm not in the mood to get hammered again. Anything I say will be taken as wrong by someone and there'll be a flood of questions, some of them hostile.
Take your time. I won't hammer you but I want to hear your point. At least you know there will be hostility so take that as a challenge to weather the storm.
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:41:56pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:42:30pm |
re: #675 jaunte
Here's one example of what I mean by the conflict between group rights and individual rights
Santa Clara Pueblo v. Martinez, ugh.
Lots of stuff going on in that one. Sex/gender, Indian Civil Rights Act of 1968, and the US's own utterly dizzying Indian Country policies on blood quantum, tribal membership, and tribal sovereignty.
I would say, a lot more than just group rights at issue there.
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compound idaho Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:43:44pm |
re: #683 jaunte
The story used to be that that banks were not willing to lend. Now it is there is no demand. Hard to keep straight.
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Lidane Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:44:40pm |
re: #677 palomino
It's just that it seems as if the gop needs a permission slip from Grover before they can do anything tax related.
The Chamber of Commerce has been bitching at them to make a deal for days now. Now Grover is bitching.
Too bad that Jabba Limbaugh is still blathering that a default won't matter, because the GOP aren't going to act until His Bloatedness changes his mind.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:45:15pm |
re: #683 jaunte
Low demand:
True. Until businesses get so certainty, they are unlikely to take risks. I don't see that certainty happening before 2013, if then. The political climate is just too toxic right now.
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Gus Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:45:19pm |
re: #680 CuriousLurker
Hahahaha—no doubt!
All 169 of them. I did a "count" in WordPerfect using replace.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:46:02pm |
re: #682 Dark_Falcon
Honestly, that's a very complicated question and I'm not going to answer it tonight. I'm not in the mood to get hammered again. Anything I say will be taken as wrong by someone and there'll be a flood of questions, some of them hostile.
You made the statements of your own volition, unprompted, and have been asked several times to state your piece on it. Had you not made the statements, no one would be asking what you meant by it.
Explain it or don't, but this is an issue of your own making.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:47:28pm |
re: #688 BigPapa
Take your time. I won't hammer you but I want to hear your point. At least you know there will be hostility so take that as a challenge to weather the storm.
I will, before the week ends. Remind me on Wednesday night, but it'll most likely be Thursday or Friday. Tomorrow or Wednesday I've got to help my dad finish setting up his gun stand. He just got a new Remington 870 shotgun.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:48:25pm |
re: #693 Dark_Falcon
True. Until businesses get so certainty, they are unlikely to take risks. I don't see that certainty happening before 2013, if then. The political climate is just too toxic right now.
Political showbiz.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:48:44pm |
re: #682 Dark_Falcon
Honestly, that's a very complicated question and I'm not going to answer it tonight. I'm not in the mood to get hammered again. Anything I say will be taken as wrong by someone and there'll be a flood of questions, some of them hostile.
That's not always a bad thing, DL. When I came here I knew this was a tough room and that's part of why I wanted to be here: It takes me out of my comfort zone.
If I think about saying something, I first ponder why I think that because I know it's going to be questioned. If I can't even explain or articulate to myself why I believe something to be true, then I have to reassess why I believe it to be so.
That's not always a comfortable or pleasant thing to do, but I want the truth even if it hurts, because without the truth, without self-examination, I can't change. And if I can't change, I can't evolve.
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Gus Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:49:43pm |
Here's another take on Breivik. I'll post an excerpt here for obvious reasons:
... Like the earlier fascists, he is an admirer of blood and soil ethnic tribalism — hence his sympathy for the Serbs in their wish to exclude Muslims from their homeland and his criticism of the NATO operation to help the Muslims. The seemingly paradoxical combination of the blood and soil nationalism of autochthonous peoples with the universal appeal of pan-Europeanism goes back to the Fascist “international” of the 1940’s, where the SS, for instance, recruited from “Aryan” peoples all over Europe. The fascist vision for Europe, then and now, is of a kind of imperial league of autochthonous and rooted “peoples” at the same time knit together in monolithical totalitarian unity. Breivik terms it a “national and pan-European patriotic resistance movement.”
Speaking of Breivick’s championing of Serbian Slavic nationalism, I detect echoes in his views of the leading Russian “Eurasianist” ideologue Aleksandr Dugin, in many ways the hidden king of the new fascism in Europe as well as Russia. Breivick dreams of a “conservative revolution” for Europe, echoing Dugin’s call for a “revolution of archaic values.” Dugin wants Russia to return to its pre-modern “Eurasian” heritage of Slavic wholeness, echoing a standard motiff in European fascism, the longing for a fantasy version of the Middle Ages, to be found in the writings of Nazi ideologues like Goebbels and Himmler and in the Volkish writings of Heidegger in favour of the Third Reich. Breivick’s fascination with the “Knights Templar” and his fantasy of himself as a “commander” of that order recalls Himmler’s fantasies about the SS being the new incarnation of the “Teutonic Knights” of east Prussia. Common to both is the vision of a brotherhood of warriors making a stand for Europe against the hordes of the East.
It's at the Frum Forum: Is Breivick an Anarchist?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:49:57pm |
re: #443 darthstar
WUB is a great guy. He's funny, probably very good looking...if I was gay, I'd be interested. And he treats people with the same respect they give him...a fair person.
I wouldn't go that far, unless your taste runs towards emaciated 30-something headbangers :D
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:50:08pm |
re: #647 austin_blue
Should we take down the volume here and really *listen* to all of the Lizard's here and maintain some sense of decency, or just pile on to differing opinions, which is what this board used to be in '07?
I'm trying to listen but if the speaker refuses to say anything even when asked, then they can expect a challenge. Can't we all?
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:51:23pm |
re: #682 Dark_Falcon
Honestly, that's a very complicated question and I'm not going to answer it tonight. I'm not in the mood to get hammered again. Anything I say will be taken as wrong by someone and there'll be a flood of questions, some of them hostile.
If it's such a complicated issue maybe you shouldn't have offered a simplistic assessment of it, especially since you're clearly not prepared to mount a defense.
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Kronocide Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:53:22pm |
re: #698 CuriousLurker
If I think about saying something, I first ponder why I think that because I know it's going to be questioned. If I can't even explain or articulate to myself why I believe something to be true, then I have to reassess why I believe it to be so.
That was such a sanguine moment of absolute truth, or you're a salacious ding whore. Either works for me.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:53:24pm |
re: #701 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I'm trying to listen but if the speaker refuses to say anything even when asked, then they can expect a challenge. Can't we all?
Sure that's right.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:55:33pm |
re: #703 BigPapa
That was such a sanguine moment of absolute truth, or you're a salacious ding whore. Either works for me.
LOL, maybe I'm a little bit of both.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:56:00pm |
re: #699 Gus 802
Here's another take on Breivik. I'll post an excerpt here for obvious reasons:
It's at the Frum Forum: Is Breivick an Anarchist?
Speaking of Breivick’s championing of Serbian Slavic nationalism, I detect echoes in his views of the leading Russian “Eurasianist” ideologue Aleksandr Dugin, in many ways the hidden king of the new fascism in Europe as well as Russia. Breivick dreams of a “conservative revolution” for Europe, echoing Dugin’s call for a “revolution of archaic values.” Dugin wants Russia to return to its pre-modern “Eurasian” heritage of Slavic wholeness, echoing a standard motiff in European fascism, the longing for a fantasy version of the Middle Ages, to be found in the writings of Nazi ideologues like Goebbels and Himmler and in the Volkish writings of Heidegger in favour of the Third Reich. Breivick’s fascination with the “Knights Templar” and his fantasy of himself as a “commander” of that order recalls Himmler’s fantasies about the SS being the new incarnation of the “Teutonic Knights” of east Prussia. Common to both is the vision of a brotherhood of warriors making a stand for Europe against the hordes of the East.
What's interesting about that is, those "blood and soil" ideas go back at least to the early German Romantics. Their influence on a bunch of Third Reichers is kind of infamous, no need to go into that. But I have been thinking about those guys a lot, this weekend.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:57:18pm |
re: #659 jaunte
I think since most of us are Americans we automatically assume individual rights supersede group rights, and multiculturalism is just about getting along with other people who don't come from a similar background. Where things begin to get complicated: laws that are written to privilege group rights over individual rights can become a problem.
What would an example of such a law be, here in the States?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:57:24pm |
re: #702 goddamnedfrank
If it's such a complicated issue maybe you shouldn't have offered a simplistic assessment of it, especially since you're clearly not prepared to mount a defense.
qft
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:58:18pm |
It was so nice talking to my daughter Nikki Tonight in Napa...She is the love of my life...
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:58:43pm |
Personally I am still astonished that Glenn Beck had the nerve to compare the victims of the tragedy in Norway to Hitler Youth members. And yes I would be pissed if a left wing commentator said that about members of a mainstream right of center party as well. Shit ain't right and the asshole has the nerve to act like he's persecuted.
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jaunte Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:58:46pm |
re: #707 SanFranciscoZionist
I don't think it's really an issue here.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 8:59:40pm |
re: #701 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
That brings up an interesting fine point. I mean when a discussion gets tough is when you might post something unpopular to the moment, so you get a bunch of challenges. Each of which might go several comments deep. How many challenges can one address in a blog-speed timely fashion and be well though out?
What kills me is when I need to go get some links fast to support something. Whilst engaged with two or three challenges. Google eats time.
Now that is a moment designed to sharpen the mind.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:00:08pm |
re: #696 Dark_Falcon
I will, before the week ends. Remind me on Wednesday night, but it'll most likely be Thursday or Friday.
Running away.
Don't think I'm going to forget, because I won't.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:00:10pm |
re: #663 BigPapa
The American Experiment will really be tested now that non-Christians might be integrated. Previous inclusions have been from Christian based ethnic/cultural groups so at least there was that common thread.
Jews? Chinese? Japanese? Vietnamese? Hmong?
Not to mention that the group people get nuttiest about, Mexicans, are pretty much all Christians of one variety or another.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:01:28pm |
re: #675 jaunte
Here's one example of what I mean by the conflict between group rights and individual rights
Tribal law and U.S. law, though, is a thing. That's somewhat distinct from anything to do with immigrant groups.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:02:26pm |
re: #712 Rightwingconspirator
That brings up an interesting fine point. I mean when a discussion gets tough is when you might post something unpopular to the moment, so you get a bunch of challenges. Each of which might go several comments deep. How many challenges can one address in a blog-speed timely fashion and be well though out?
What kills me is when I need to go get some links fast to support something. Whilst engaged with two or three challenges. Google eats time.
Now that is a moment designed to sharpen the mind.
Yeah, LGF is a great venue for that. Especially because part of the culture here is to not be a dead-threader.
So you may be preparing some UTTERLY BRILLIANT RESPONSE to some criticism and by the time you're done, oops, new thread's up, nobody cares about all your UTTER BRILLANCE. lol
It's a good challenge. I like it quite a bit.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:02:58pm |
re: #702 goddamnedfrank
If it's such a complicated issue maybe you shouldn't have offered a simplistic assessment of it, especially since you're clearly not prepared to mount a defense.
QFT. That's exactly why I don't comment on the Israeli-Palestinian issue, among other things (economics, science, etc.). I know you guys would eat my lunch if I did.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:03:38pm |
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jaunte Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:03:55pm |
re: #715 SanFranciscoZionist
It's really the only U.S. example I can think of. The US is pretty monocultural.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:04:49pm |
re: #712 Rightwingconspirator
That brings up an interesting fine point. I mean when a discussion gets tough is when you might post something unpopular to the moment, so you get a bunch of challenges. Each of which might go several comments deep. How many challenges can one address in a blog-speed timely fashion and be well though out?
What kills me is when I need to go get some links fast to support something. Whilst engaged with two or three challenges. Google eats time.
Now that is a moment designed to sharpen the mind.
Multiple monitors help :D :D
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:04:56pm |
re: #719 jaunte
It's really the only U.S. example I can think of. The US is pretty monocultural.
Huh. Monocultural meaning what, and compared to who?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:06:05pm |
re: #719 jaunte
It's really the only U.S. example I can think of. The US is pretty monocultural.
Our legal history says something very, very different.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:06:06pm |
re: #714 SanFranciscoZionist
Jews? Chinese? Japanese? Vietnamese? Hmong?
Not to mention that the group people get nuttiest about, Mexicans, are pretty much all Christians of one variety or another.
this really should be brought up daily
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jaunte Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:06:19pm |
re: #721 SanFranciscoZionist
I mean compared to Europe and South America, you can expect to speak the same language in the same fast food places in the majority of the country.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:08:26pm |
re: #717 CuriousLurker
QFT. That's exactly why I don't comment on the Israeli-Palestinian issue, among other things (economics, science, etc.). I know you guys would eat my lunch if I did.
I'm sure your lunch is delicious, but I'm trying to lose weight here. Besides I'm pretty sure that I share many of your shall we say, nuanced, views.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:08:27pm |
re: #723 WindUpBird
this really should be brought up daily
Drop it into casual conversation--"Hey, Mexicans are into Jesus! They even name their kids after him!!"
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:09:18pm |
re: #726 SanFranciscoZionist
Drop it into casual conversation--"Hey, Mexicans are into Jesus! They even name their kids after him!!"
"That means they're welcome at your megachurch in Colorado with all the plasma screens, right?"
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:09:27pm |
re: #713 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Running away.
Don't think I'm going to forget, because I won't.
No, retreating in good order. Looking for a good place to set up a proper defense.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:09:50pm |
re: #724 jaunte
I mean compared to Europe and South America, you can expect to speak the same language in the same fast food places in the majority of the country.
Royale with cheese
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:10:27pm |
Heh it's true Latinos are Christians by and large but there's still in some quarters hostility to Catholics which is what they are by and large. And for all the Catholic Church's inept to say the least handling on child molestation, the hierarchy hasn't engaged in xenophobia towards immigrants. Quite the contrary by and large actually.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:10:39pm |
re: #724 jaunte
I mean compared to Europe and South America, you can expect to speak the same language in the same fast food places in the majority of the country.
It was either Emmmie or ggt who brought this up a few days ago, but I thought it was a good point: unlike Europe or S. America (well, barring Brazil) we can go 1000 miles and still be in the same country, let alone speak the same language or expect the same customs. Not so in Europe or other continents.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:10:40pm |
re: #724 jaunte
I mean compared to Europe and South America, you can expect to speak the same language in the same fast food places in the majority of the country.
Well, the fast food is its own thing, but by monoculture you mean one major natinal language, or that immigrant groups learn English, as opposed to not learning English?
Not trying to be difficult, I'm just fascinated by the various definitions of multicultural/not multicultural that people are bringing here in the last few days.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:12:28pm |
re: #727 WindUpBird
"That means they're welcome at your megachurch in Colorado with all the plasma screens, right?"
Some of them do end up there. The rise of Evangelical/Pentecostal/etc. churches in the Latino community fascinates me.
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Kronocide Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:12:55pm |
re: #714 SanFranciscoZionist
Jews? Chinese? Japanese? Vietnamese? Hmong?
Not to mention that the group people get nuttiest about, Mexicans, are pretty much all Christians of one variety or another.
I didn't mean to preclude them, I merely didn't consider them a significant part of America as what I consider the majority of the population considers part of the culture. Meaning, when they are, it's a passing interest but not truly an acceptance.
Chinatown in SF, despite it's complex anchoring in SF, seems to be more of a tourist attraction than a borough, despite CTown's leverage in mayoral and state elections.
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jaunte Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:12:59pm |
re: #733 SanFranciscoZionist
I agree that we're a mosaic / 3-generation melting pot.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:13:03pm |
re: #730 jaunte
They got the metric system.
my favorite foreign fast food story ever:
at the Kentucky Fried chicken in Amsterdam, the decor of the whole place was pictures of the brooklyn bridge, Knicks and Yankees jerseys, a gigantic photo of Woody Allen...
Let's hear it for your Louisville Knicks!
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Gus Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:13:25pm |
re: #724 jaunte
I mean compared to Europe and South America, you can expect to speak the same language in the same fast food places in the majority of the country.
I'm not so sure about that. When you go to South American countries it's primarily "Spanish only" (Portuguese in Brazil). You might get some pockets of European immigrants here and there. But you have to go into cities like Buenos Aires to get the multi-linguists. Mexico is essentially Spanish only and it's basically a law of the land. If you do find English speakers it will be in tourist reasons. In those case they don't learn English for cultural reasons but for economic reasons. Oh, and in Paraguay their Spanish will confuse most South Americans.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:13:47pm |
re: #733 SanFranciscoZionist
Not trying to be difficult, I'm just fascinated by the various definitions of multicultural/not multicultural that people are bringing here in the last few days.
Maybe someone should do a page on that. Decide what our group definition of multiculturalism is. We'd probably be squabbling something fierce, but we could probably eventually agree on one definition.
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jaunte Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:14:51pm |
re: #739 CuriousLurker
That would definitely help clarify some of the conversations.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:15:35pm |
re: #728 Dark_Falcon
No, retreating in good order. Looking for a good place to set up a proper defense.
Lol! By Thursday, it will have taken you a week to mount your defense.
Maybe if you just admitted that you just don't even have a defense, and just said that crap about failed "multiculturalism" out of kneejerk reactionaryism, you can keep from needlessly drawing this out.
It's up to you, and I understand one of the worst humiliations of conservatives in the world is admitting they are wrong, in public. But you and only you made the statements, so if it takes you 6 days to run away, regroup, and defend them hey, I'm a liberal, I'll give you all the headstarts you need, in the world.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:15:45pm |
re: #710 HappyWarrior
Personally I am still astonished that Glenn Beck had the nerve to compare the victims of the tragedy in Norway to Hitler Youth members. And yes I would be pissed if a left wing commentator said that about members of a mainstream right of center party as well. Shit ain't right and the asshole has the nerve to act like he's persecuted.
And I thought he was letting his freak flag fly while he was on Fox. God, but that's sick,
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:16:04pm |
re: #734 SanFranciscoZionist
Some of them do end up there. The rise of Evangelical/Pentecostal/etc. churches in the Latino community fascinates me.
It was my understanding that played a big role in Bush doing well with Latinos in 2000/2004. And that he did what the usual Republican candidate did with the Catholic Latinos. An interesting note about Catholics but it interests me that Baptists Clinton and Gore did better with them then the Catholic John Kerry.
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Kronocide Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:16:37pm |
re: #739 CuriousLurker
Maybe someone should do a page on that. Decide what our group definition of multiculturalism is. We'd probably be squabbling something fierce, but we could probably eventually agree on one definition.
That may be true but I think most perspectives would be heavily weighted by religious associations although religion is only part of any particular culture.
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CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:16:52pm |
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ProMayaLiberal Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:17:08pm |
re: #743 Dark_Falcon
Bright side, his little remark might cost him alot.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:17:48pm |
re: #732 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
It was either Emmmie or ggt who brought this up a few days ago, but I thought it was a good point: unlike Europe or S. America (well, barring Brazil) we can go 1000 miles and still be in the same country, let alone speak the same language or expect the same customs. Not so in Europe or other continents.
It's an excellent idea, so I'm glad ggt brought it up. ;)
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Four More Tears Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:17:56pm |
re: #747 ProLifeLiberal
Bright side, his little remark might cost him alot.
He gets a pass. He always gets a pass.
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bratwurst Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:18:37pm |
re: #737 WindUpBird
my favorite foreign fast food story ever:
at the Kentucky Fried chicken in Amsterdam, the decor of the whole place was pictures of the brooklyn bridge, Knicks and Yankees jerseys, a gigantic photo of Woody Allen...
Let's hear it for your Louisville Knicks!
I was there when KFC opened their first ever Prague outlet right at the top of Wenceslas Square in 1994. At the time it was fully adorned in pictures of:
Freddie Mercury.
I kid you not.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:19:00pm |
re: #747 ProLifeLiberal
Bright side, his little remark might cost him alot.
Ah if he gets fired, you just know he's going to claim "they're" trying to silence him. I can hear it now. Still though, a bunch of teenagers get shot and they just happen to be members of a youth wing of a party and Beck brings up old Mr. Hitler. And besides it should be obvious to anyone that their killer was much more Nazisque than those kids ever were.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:19:26pm |
re: #735 BigPapa
I didn't mean to preclude them, I merely didn't consider them a significant part of America as what I consider the majority of the population considers part of the culture. Meaning, when they are, it's a passing interest but not truly an acceptance.
Chinatown in SF, despite it's complex anchoring in SF, seems to be more of a tourist attraction than a borough, despite CTown's leverage in mayoral and state elections.
In 2000, nearly eleven percent of California's population was Asian, and the city of San Francisco itself is about 20% Chinese alone. The old people and the newcomers live in Chinatown, but the Richmond and the Sunset are where the younger folks live.
Maybe outside the state it's a whole different thing, but Asian is a standard variety in CA, for sure.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:19:34pm |
re: #735 BigPapa
I didn't mean to preclude them, I merely didn't consider them a significant part of America as what I consider the majority of the population considers part of the culture. Meaning, when they are, it's a passing interest but not truly an acceptance.
Chinatown in SF, despite it's complex anchoring in SF, seems to be more of a tourist attraction than a borough, despite CTown's leverage in mayoral and state elections.
Depends on which Chinatown you mean. The one on Grant Street is the tourist attraction. But a lot of Chinese-American SF politics takes place in the Sunset and Richmond districts, and Clement Street.
I'm a Leland Yee for Mayor person, myself. To me, he's got the chops especially after his stint in the CA Senate. But that's a personal view.
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Gus Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:22:14pm |
I was born in Argentina. Caveat of course is that I came here before I was two. However, I'm still technically a "Latino". But on the Census I put down "White Hispanic". I don't "vote Latino." My parents, who came here in there 30s don't "vote Latino" and neither do my brother and sister nor the rest of my family. I find it difficult to understand to be honest with you. It's like people think that every from South and Central America have the same political identity when they come to this country and "vote Latino". There are many different cultures in South and Central America. Latino or Hispanic is a very broad term and identity that does not fit everyone, I would say most, immigrants from South and Central America.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:23:42pm |
re: #754 Gus 802
I was born in Argentina. Caveat of course is that I came here before I was two. However, I'm still technically a "Latino". But on the Census I put down "White Hispanic". I don't "vote Latino." My parents, who came here in there 30s don't "vote Latino" and neither do my brother and sister nor the rest of my family. I find it difficult to understand to be honest with you. It's like people think that every from South and Central America have the same political identity when they come to this country and "vote Latino". There are many different cultures in South and Central America. Latino or Hispanic is a very broad term and identity that does not fit everyone, I would say most, immigrants from South and Central America.
Hunh. I haven't seen a "Latino" box on the ballot. Mine usually says something like "Mayor," or "State Senator" or "David Wu is an idiot," on it.
Should I look for the sekrit form?
*kidding*
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:24:33pm |
re: #750 bratwurst
I was there when KFC opened their first ever Prague outlet right at the top of Wenceslas Square in 1994. At the time it was fully adorned in pictures of:
Freddie Mercury.
I kid you not.
You could do worse. He gave happiness to a great many people and he hurt no one. He was a person who left the world better for having lived.
| 757 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:26:13pm |
re: #751 HappyWarrior
Ah if he gets fired, you just know he's going to claim "they're" trying to silence him. I can hear it now. Still though, a bunch of teenagers get shot and they just happen to be members of a youth wing of a party and Beck brings up old Mr. Hitler. And besides it should be obvious to anyone that their killer was much more Nazisque than those kids ever were.
As someone mentioned in the last thread or two, even if they HAD been Hitler Youth, it would have been cold-blooded murder to shoot unarmed teenagers.
As it happens, they weren't Hitler Youth.
Now, if Breivik had, God forbid, gone in shooting here, would Glenn Beck, who has given up any right to be considered a decent human being, think they were 'like Hitler Youth'?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:26:35pm |
re: #734 SanFranciscoZionist
Some of them do end up there. The rise of Evangelical/Pentecostal/etc. churches in the Latino community fascinates me.
A lot of recent Latino immigrants were already Pentecostal/Evangelical long before they got here.
See: CAM International (Central American Mission Int'l) and Cyrus Scofield (Mr. Schofield Bible himself)
Central America was doing Pentecostalism at the same time as the US, circa 1904-1906. Pentecostals have a really long history there. It threw US Catholics for a real loop, who presumed all the Iran-Contra era immigrants were going to be filling the parish pews. /Schadenfreude
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darthstar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:26:52pm |
re: #754 Gus 802
You must be really athletic to be able to do the immigration triathlon (swim the Rio Grande, Jump the fence, and run across the desert) at two years old.
///
Seriously...you are what your heart says you are. Period. It doesn't matter where you were born or what color your skin is or what your parents did for a living when you were young. You're "Gus"...glad to know you (is that short for Gustavo?)
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:27:01pm |
re: #755 EmmmieG
Hunh. I haven't seen a "Latino" box on the ballot. Mine usually says something like "Mayor," or "State Senator" or "David Wu is an idiot," on it.
Should I look for the sekrit form?
*kidding*
Lol you are hilarious
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Kronocide Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:28:07pm |
re: #753 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Depends on which Chinatown you mean. The one on Grant Street is the tourist attraction. But a lot of Chinese-American SF politics takes place in the Sunset and Richmond districts, and Clement Street.
I'm a Leland Yee for Mayor person, myself. To me, he's got the chops especially after his stint in the CA Senate. But that's a personal view.
That's a good point 'the Chinatown you mean.' I left East Bay in 2004 so that's well before the Yee era.
I don't dispute the fact of population and political capital of the Asian community. The question is whether that very large and powerful Asian community is actually part of the American Experience as judged by the rest of the country. I personally consider it part of the American Experience because, well... duh. They are American.
I just wonder how you look at the CA Asian influence and think how 'multiculturalism has failed.'
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Gus Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:28:35pm |
re: #759 darthstar
You must be really athletic to be able to do the immigration triathlon (swim the Rio Grande, Jump the fence, and run across the desert) at two years old.
///Seriously...you are what your heart says you are. Period. It doesn't matter where you were born or what color your skin is or what your parents did for a living when you were young. You're "Gus"...glad to know you (is that short for Gustavo?)
Yep. Born Gustavo and changed it to Gustav while we were waiting for the final citizenship papers. I had one more chance to change it before we got those so I legally changed it to Gus. Guess why? I thought it would be easier to write my name. Less letters. ;)
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:29:53pm |
re: #757 SanFranciscoZionist
As someone mentioned in the last thread or two, even if they HAD been Hitler Youth, it would have been cold-blooded murder to shoot unarmed teenagers.
As it happens, they weren't Hitler Youth.
Now, if Breivik had, God forbid, gone in shooting here, would Glenn Beck, who has given up any right to be considered a decent human being, think they were 'like Hitler Youth'?
BTW, the Tampa 9/12 Project asks people if they believe in at least seven of these nine principles:
Do you believe in at least 7 of The Nine Principles below?
1. America is good.
2. I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life.
3. I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday.
4. The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government.
5. If you break the law you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it.
6. I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results.
7. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable.
8. It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion.
9. The government works for me. I do not answer to them, they answer to me.
I think I get six, with partial agreement to some of the others. And yet: a liberal!!
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Lidane Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:32:00pm |
re: #754 Gus 802
I was born in Argentina. Caveat of course is that I came here before I was two. However, I'm still technically a "Latino". But on the Census I put down "White Hispanic".
My family's been here in what's now Texas since the 1700's, back when it was still part of Mexico and the US was still a British colony.
I put "White Hispanic" on my census forms too, because that's what I am. I'm not mestizo. I'm probably closer to a criollo than anything else. But ethnically/culturally, I'm definitely Latina. I don't automatically "vote Latina" though. Some of the folks with Spanish last names are still made of abject fail politically, especially here in Texas.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:32:20pm |
re: #763 SanFranciscoZionist
BTW, the Tampa 9/12 Project asks people if they believe in at least seven of these nine principles:
Do you believe in at least 7 of The Nine Principles below?
1. America is good.
2. I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life.
3. I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday.
4. The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government.
5. If you break the law you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it.
6. I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results.
7. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable.
8. It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion.
9. The government works for me. I do not answer to them, they answer to me.I think I get six, with partial agreement to some of the others. And yet: a liberal!!
I agree with all but 4. I have no inclination to date or marry, so it really does not apply to me.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:33:08pm |
re: #761 BigPapa
That's a good point 'the Chinatown you mean.' I left East Bay in 2004 so that's well before the Yee era.
I don't dispute the fact of population and political capital of the Asian community. The question is whether that very large and powerful Asian community is actually part of the American Experience as judged by the rest of the country. I personally consider it part of the American Experience because, well... duh. They are American.
I just wonder how you look at the CA Asian influence and think how 'multiculturalism has failed.'
Yeah, I know what you mean. Asian Americans, like Blacks, had rights swiped from them by bigots, in incremental steps, same time period - not a coincidence. And still, they thrive. And even still, the stereotypes against Asian Americans in general haven't progressed much beyond 100 years ago. The rhetoric against them just gets recycled against Arabs and Muslims. It's nuts.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:33:59pm |
re: #767 Dark_Falcon
I agree with all but 4. I have no inclination to date or marry, so it really does not apply to me.
So basically, despite having wildly different social views and political affiliations, we score very similarly. That either speaks to their attempt to pull as broad a group as possible, or suggests that they didn't think this one out very well.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:34:47pm |
re: #763 SanFranciscoZionist
"my spouse and i are the ultimate authority"?
"I am the Lord thy God, Who brought thee out of Egypt. Thou shalt have no other gods beside Me."
Just sayin'
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:35:21pm |
Anybody here Melungeon? Always wanted to meet a Melungeon.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:36:13pm |
re: #772 EmmmieG
Anybody here Melungeon? Always wanted to meet a Melungeon.
Not one, but knew a family of 'em in my hometown (WV). The Jukes. Odd-looking folk. Dark mountain people, as the old folk called 'em.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:36:20pm |
re: #770 SanFranciscoZionist
So basically, despite having wildly different social views and political affiliations, we score very similarly. That either speaks to their attempt to pull as broad a group as possible, or suggests that they didn't think this one out very well.
I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume it was a desire for broad agreement.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:36:21pm |
*Pause while everyone goes to look up Melungeon*
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Guanxi88 Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:36:43pm |
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Gus Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:36:59pm |
re: #766 Lidane
My family's been here in what's now Texas since the 1700's, back when it was still part of Mexico and the US was still a British colony.
I put "White Hispanic" on my census forms too, because that's what I am. I'm not mestizo. I'm probably closer to a criollo than anything else. But ethnically/culturally, I'm definitely Latina. I don't automatically "vote Latina" though. Some of the folks with Spanish last names are still made of abject fail politically, especially here in Texas.
Ah OK. My moms folks, which I mentioned before, where from Spain. Dads side basically made there way from Northern Italy but that was a long time ago. They're mostly SA (Brazil, Uruguay, Argentina). But regarding voting Latino I guess it's not a secret that there are, for example, plenty of Mexican-American Teabaggers.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:37:19pm |
re: #776 Guanxi88
Elvis has left the building.
I would give that one more than one upding if I could.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:37:24pm |
And good evening, one and all! It's manhattans (hold the cherries) and black coffee this fine evening.
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Kronocide Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:37:59pm |
I'm about to finish carnitas, enchiladas, turkey and peas Hilo kine style, and white rice. With Ardberg scotch to chase.
Multiculturalism failed? FUCK NO!
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:38:12pm |
re: #771 Guanxi88
"my spouse and i are the ultimate authority"?
"I am the Lord thy God, Who brought thee out of Egypt. Thou shalt have no other gods beside Me."
Just sayin'
Yeah. That one doesn't work for me. I do believe that family is sacred, although perhaps not quite in the same sense these folks do, but my husband and I not even the ultimate TEMPORAL authority. On anything. And that's OK!!
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:38:38pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:38:52pm |
re: #763 SanFranciscoZionist
BTW, the Tampa 9/12 Project asks people if they believe in at least seven of these nine principles:
Do you believe in at least 7 of The Nine Principles below?
1. America is good.
2. I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life.
3. I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday.
4. The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government.
5. If you break the law you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it.
6. I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results.
7. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable.
8. It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion.
9. The government works for me. I do not answer to them, they answer to me.I think I get six, with partial agreement to some of the others. And yet: a liberal!!
I love that stupid 912 pledge.
1. Sure, why not
2. Bwaaaaahahahaha
3. Yep
4. Nothing is sacred, f that and f the anti-government paranoia behind it
5. Sure, would be nice as applied to the same old perps, but it never is
6. Yep, latter disclaimer is unnecessary, and butthurt
7. See answer #6
8. Yep, though no one ever said it was
9. Sorta, especially given no white conservative who buys into 912 social-butthurt mentality ever said this during the Jim Crow era.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:39:05pm |
re: #782 SanFranciscoZionist
I'll go one further, and say my spouse, the bitter half, is an authority on one, and only one, thing - my failings and shortcomings. Otherwise, she's a total loss.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:40:22pm |
re: #783 SanFranciscoZionist
I've heard of them.
I knew you would have. They're too interesting not to read about.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:40:42pm |
re: #785 Guanxi88
I'll go one further, and say my spouse, the bitter half, is an authority on one, and only one, thing - my failings and shortcomings. Otherwise, she's a total loss.
Things ain't improving, huh?
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Claire Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:41:03pm |
re: #769 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
And even still, the stereotypes against Asian Americans in general haven't progressed much beyond 100 years ago. The rhetoric against them just gets recycled against Arabs and Muslims.
In California? In the Bay Area? Are you sure about that?
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:41:08pm |
re: #763 SanFranciscoZionist
BTW, the Tampa 9/12 Project asks people if they believe in at least seven of these nine principles:
Do you believe in at least 7 of The Nine Principles below?
1. America is good.
2. I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life.
3. I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday.
4. The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government.
5. If you break the law you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it.
6. I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results.
7. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable.
8. It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion.
9. The government works for me. I do not answer to them, they answer to me.I think I get six, with partial agreement to some of the others. And yet: a liberal!!
1, 5, 7 and 9 are hilariously dissonant, the same government that "works for me" should blindly force my ass in jail for breaking the law except when it comes to evading taxes that go towards charitable causes ... but America is good.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:43:00pm |
As for multi-culti, there's a right way and a wrong way to do it. The right way? A town, founded by Czechs and Germans, named for a Mexican general who led Texican cavalry (Mexican, Mestizo, Indian, freed blacks, germans, irish, and Americans) against the Mexican army. The street names are all german, but pronounced, because of the majority tex-mex population, with a distinctly south of the border flair. The polka club is also the tejano club, and the same band plays for both events. Guys named Erik Friesenhaan can name the best places for tamales or mole in the county, & etc.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:43:39pm |
re: #771 Guanxi88
"my spouse and i are the ultimate authority"?
"I am the Lord thy God, Who brought thee out of Egypt. Thou shalt have no other gods beside Me."
Just sayin'
That reminds me of the objection my mother had to Whitney Houstons' "The Greatest Love of All"
She felt it was satanic, because of the line, "Learning to love yourself, it is the greatest love of all".
NO IT ISN'T THE LOVE OF THE LORD AND HIS SACRIFICE FOR US SINNERS ON THE CROSS IS THE GREATEST LOVE OF ALL OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE BLAAAAHHHH!
/eyeroll
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Lidane Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:44:48pm |
re: #763 SanFranciscoZionist
BTW, the Tampa 9/12 Project asks people if they believe in at least seven of these nine principles:
Do you believe in at least 7 of The Nine Principles below?
1. America is good.
3. I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday.
5. If you break the law you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it.
6. I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results.
7. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable.
8. It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion.
I have at least partial agreement with these. #2 is meaningless to me since I'm an atheist and #4 is right out since I have no interest in having children and any man I marry will understand that I'm his equal, not his slave or subordinate. And #9 is meaningless drivel, because the social contract between a government and its people works both ways.
Also, #8 makes me laugh because these 9/12 assholes called me a traitor for sharing my personal opinion and disagreeing with the authority of Bush/Cheney. Fuck them for turning it into a virtue now.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:45:15pm |
re: #791 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
That reminds me of the objection my mother had to Whitney Houstons' "The Greatest Love of All"
She felt it was satanic, because of the line, "Learning to love yourself, it is the greatest love of all".
NO IT ISN'T THE LOVE OF THE LORD AND HIS SACRIFICE FOR US SINNERS ON THE CROSS IS THE GREATEST LOVE OF ALL OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE BLAAAHHH!
/eyeroll
I thought she was talking about, well, that which it was said would make one go blind.
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Lidane Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:46:09pm |
re: #789 goddamnedfrank
1, 5, 7 and 9 are hilariously dissonant, the same government that "works for me" should blindly force my ass in jail for breaking the law except when it comes to evading taxes that go towards charitable causes ... but America is good.
American Exceptionalism!
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Gus Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:46:43pm |
re: #763 SanFranciscoZionist
BTW, the Tampa 9/12 Project asks people if they believe in at least seven of these nine principles:
Do you believe in at least 7 of The Nine Principles below?
1. America is good. - It tries to be. Sometimes its is and sometimes it fails.
2. I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life. - I'm an atheist but I accept other peoples belief in God.
3. I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday. - Talk is cheap.
4. The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government. - Family is sacred but the IRS is the ultimate authority.
5. If you break the law you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it. - I can agree with that.
6. I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results. - I can also agree with this.
7. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable. - Sounds reasonable. Although, I've never seen the government force people to be charitable. Unless you call forcing me to pay for wars I don't agree with charitable. Couple of other things too.
8. It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion. - True.
9. The government works for me. I do not answer to them, they answer to me. - For the most part. Unfortunately, like the IRS and other things in life. Well, you know, death and taxes.
I think I get six, with partial agreement to some of the others. And yet: a liberal!!
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:47:09pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:47:13pm |
1. America is good.
(Yes. This is not a blanket endorsement of everything America is, was, or will be, but I can get on board with this.)
2. I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life.
(This isn't the way I talk about God--I'm from the theologophobic branch of Judaism--but yes, and I try to live in a God-centered sort of a way.)
3. I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday.
(All right.)
4. The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government.
(The family is sacred. If I break that sacred trust by abusing my kids, the government will take them right out of my house, and that will be GOOD. Is that what you were asking about?)
5. If you break the law you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it.
(I think this is a good idea. I don't think it's what we have in practice, quite yet, but I will promote it.)
6. I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results.
(Patently, as Father Greeley would say.)
7. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable.
(This directly contradicts #2, which leads back to a certain religious text that certainly does not say "share with who you want to". Also, if by 'force me to be charitable', you mean said government can take my taxes and use them to feed people and stuff, yes, yes they can, and I will vote for them to do more of that.)
8. It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion.
(Dooood, I was trying to explain this back about a decade, but you turned purple, and gibbered, so I gave up.)
9. The government works for me. I do not answer to them, they answer to me.
(Er, that depends. If we mean 'the government' in the sense of people I vote into and out of office, sure. If we mean 'the government' in the sense of, you know, the IRS wanting their money, or the cops wanting to know how come I have a kilo of coke in the backseat, then...well...)
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:49:47pm |
re: #788 Claire
In California? In the Bay Area? Are you sure about that?
Yes
Yes
Certain
Not to mention in this very community, let alone the ignorant general populace.
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Lidane Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:50:07pm |
re: #777 Gus 802
But regarding voting Latino I guess it's not a secret that there are, for example, plenty of Mexican-American Teabaggers.
Yeah, including a lot of my family. Most of them went to Texas A&M, which is basically Republican Camp for four years. The rest of them have money relative to other people in Laredo, so they consider themselves rich.
It's hilarious to listen to one of my uncles go on a racist rant against blacks and against lazy minorities. I keep having to remind him that if he goes anywhere north of San Antonio, there are plenty of people who think the same things about him.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:50:23pm |
1. America is good. (Sure, but criticism of parts of our culture and situation are fine, it's stupid to blindly accept the status quo.)
2. I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life. (I am not sure if I believe in God or at least the Christian God but if you want ot believe that, that's fine, just don't treat me like shit if I think differently.)
3. I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday.
(Of course)
4. The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government.
(Family is important sure but it doesn't have carte blanche to do whatever the hell it wants. Needs to be a balance.)
5. If you break the law you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it. (yes, and this includes tax cheats too.)
6. I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results. (Sure, there's no guarantee of equal results but there's nothign wrong with promoting a society that has a smaller gap between wealthy and poor or middle class)
7. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable.
(Sure, that's fine but I must ask the crafters of this document if they extend the same feeling to those who don't like paying for wars or prisons, somehow I doubt it.)
8. It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion.
(No one said it was, if you make an assine statement like Obama is a secret Muslim Communist Fascist, I am going to call you a fucking moron and that is my right :)
9. The government works for me. I do not answer to them, they answer to me. (No one has said that you have to answer to the government)
Okay, all in all the whole thing reads like a right wing whinefest.
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Claire Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:51:33pm |
re: #798 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I lived there for a couple of decades, worked in San Jose, I don't remember a whole lot of Asian oppression happening. None actually. Maybe you could give me some examples?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:54:12pm |
re: #801 Claire
I lived there for a couple of decades, worked in San Jose, I don't remember a whole lot of Asian oppression happening. None actually. Maybe you could give me some examples?
Did I say oppression, or stereotypes?
It's absolutely true the "Chinese must go!" rhetoric has been recycled against Arabs and Muslims.
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Claire Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:55:30pm |
re: #802 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
You said the rhetoric of 100 years ago is happening today to Asians. Like what?
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Guanxi88 Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:56:03pm |
re: #802 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Did I say oppression, or stereotypes?
It's absolutely true the "Chinese must go!" rhetoric has been recycled against Arabs and Muslims.
All of this goes back to a point i've been making for years here: The Irish. We never should have let them in, and, having let them in, we never should have let them stay. Once you let them in, on what possible basis can you exclude anyone else?
Americay for the americans, begorrah!
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Gus Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:56:17pm |
re: #799 Lidane
Yeah, including a lot of my family. Most of them went to Texas A&M, which is basically Republican Camp for four years. The rest of them have money relative to other people in Laredo, so they consider themselves rich.
It's hilarious to listen to one of my uncles go on a racist rant against blacks and against lazy minorities. I keep having to remind him that if he goes anywhere north of San Antonio, there are plenty of people who think the same things about him.
I can relate. My dad was quite the bigot for some time and I used to get into arguments about it all the time. His main target was Puerto Ricans and he would frequently use the word "sp*c". Finally I heard enough and said, more or less, "I can't believe you said that dad! They think you're a sp*c too!" Which is true. Bigots don't discriminate based on country of origin. If you have a thick Spanish accent they'll consider you a sp*c. Of course in his case it was mutable. But once he opens his mouth it's there.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:57:14pm |
Goodnight, all. It's almost midnight, and that means its bedtime for me.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:58:32pm |
re: #804 Guanxi88
All of this goes back to a point i've been making for years here: The Irish. We never should have let them in, and, having let them in, we never should have let them stay. Once you let them in, on what possible basis can you exclude anyone else?
Americay for the americans, begorrah!
They never should have let those Separatists in. It was all downhill from there.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:59:20pm |
re: #803 Claire
You said the rhetoric of 100 years ago is happening today to Asians. Like what?
"They're taking our jobs"
"Immigration aginst them must be restricted"
"Jobs should be reserve for Americans" not them
Those are examples from yesterday, on this very board.
As for stereotypes, Asian men as tyrants, Asian men as gang members, Asian men as not "real" men, Asian women as geishas, dragon ladies, seductresses, etc.
Things have improved, yet the same stereotypes are also quite prevalent.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Jul 25, 2011 9:59:21pm |
re: #807 EmmmieG
They never should have let those Separatists in. It was all downhill from there.
Yes, the Pequots, though, bear some responsibility. Crappy border controls, and piss-poor immigration enforcement.
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Lidane Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:01:07pm |
The bad press continues for Crazy Pam and her minions:
MSNBC: Norway attacks focus attention on US right-wing extremists
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:01:29pm |
re: #804 Guanxi88
All of this goes back to a point i've been making for years here: The Irish. We never should have let them in, and, having let them in, we never should have let them stay. Once you let them in, on what possible basis can you exclude anyone else?
Americay for the americans, begorrah!
Floodgates, hordes, inferiors demanding the same rights as their superiors, the slippery slope list goes on.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:04:37pm |
re: #811 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Floodgates, hordes, inferiors demanding the same rights as their superiors, the slippery slope list goes on.
Yep. And all we needed in those days were a few brave souls to stand firm and say "Back to Cork, you potato-eating papists!" and we might have been spared all this trouble.
But no, folk went wobbly, and WASP dominance fell by the wayside, and then they let folk like my great grandparents in, and here I am now, wasting everyone's time and bandwidth on some tediously involved internet conceit.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:04:39pm |
re: #811 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Floodgates, hordes, inferiors demanding the same rights as their superiors, the slippery slope list goes on.
That sounds like a family reunion in my family.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:05:14pm |
re: #810 Lidane
The bad press continues for Crazy Pam and her minions:
MSNBC: Norway attacks focus attention on US right-wing extremists
Well it's about effing g.d. time. How many more have to be murdered by social/cultural conservative supremacists before people finally get the message: they're not kidding around.
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The Ghost of a Flea Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:05:35pm |
re: #763 SanFranciscoZionist
1. America is good.
2. I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life.
3. I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday.
4. The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government.
5. If you break the law you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it.
6. I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results.
7. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable.
8. It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion.
9. The government works for me. I do not answer to them, they answer to me.I think I get six, with partial agreement to some of the others. And yet: a liberal!!
The spoilers and bastards lie in the subtext to each of these nine points. Their basic formulation is benign, but when you consider the specific angle of the author and the inclinations of his audience, you realize that point-by-point there's brackets and footnotes for each. Propositions 8 and 9 in particular are rife with implicit "it's okay for us, not for those who disagree with us" conceits.
And maybe it's just the recent fracas with lawyers, but a document like this makes me cagey. If you wanted my signature on it, you'd have to provide a ream of supplementary documents explaining exactly what was meant by: America, God, family, Justice, equal results, and the phrase "...force me to be charitable."
| 816 |
Claire Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:06:22pm |
re: #808 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Oh, give me a fucking break. Tyrants, gang members, geishas? GEISHAS? Dragonladies? LOL! OMG, I'm rolling on the floor! Where do you come up with this crap?
Asian engineers Silicon Valley are taking our jobs? WTF? We can't even import enough engineers to fill all the jobs because we don't graduate enough of them. That's who the Asians immigrants are in the valley.
Manufacturing workers overseas perhaps, but not Asian workers locally. That's a complete misunderstanding of the facts on the ground. Wow.
Dragonladies? Oh for Godssakes.
| 817 |
Lidane Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:06:32pm |
re: #805 Gus 802
Finally I heard enough and said, more or less, "I can't believe you said that dad! They think you're a sp*c too!" Which is true. Bigots don't discriminate based on country of origin. If you have a thick Spanish accent they'll consider you a sp*c. Of course in his case it was mutable. But once he opens his mouth it's there.
I had a friend in high school who was Korean. We're still friends on FB now. At the time, we actually took the racial slurs that would have applied to ourselves and turned them around on each other. I would call her a sp*c and she'd call me a [slur for Koreans that rhymes with "kook"].
I thought it was a good way to neutralize any racial tension. We took words that people would have used against us and gave them our own spin.
| 818 |
CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:06:53pm |
Okay, the multiculturalism page is up for whenever you guys can get to it.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
| 819 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:07:14pm |
I do think we should find out just who was responsible for letting Justin Bieber in.
| 820 |
Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:07:26pm |
re: #818 CuriousLurker
Awesome, that you took that project on!
*claps*
| 821 |
Guanxi88 Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:09:31pm |
re: #819 EmmmieG
I do think we should find out just who was responsible for letting Justin Bieber in.
Canadian, isn't he? Goddamned snow-monkeys!
| 822 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:09:42pm |
re: #816 Claire
Oh, give me a fucking break. Tyrants, gang members, geishas? GEISHAS? Dragonladies? LOL! OMG, I'm rolling on the floor! Where do you come up with this crap?
Ever heard of something called "popular culture"?
Asian engineers Silicon Valley are taking our jobs? WTF? We can't even import enough engineers to fill all the jobs because we don't graduate enough of them. That's who the Asians immigrants are in the valley.Manufacturing workers overseas perhaps, but not Asian workers locally. That's a complete misunderstanding of the facts on the ground. Wow.
Dragonladies? Oh for Godssakes.
9_9
There's no need for you to get upset. You asked about the stereotypes still out there that date back to 100 years ago, I gave you some.
"Oppression" was your term. I did not use it.
If you're going to try and argue, use what has been written and don't stuff your own arguments in my mouth, please. Thanks.
| 823 |
Guanxi88 Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:11:50pm |
Canada's that quiet neighbor in your building, the one who lives right over you. You never really even thin about him at all, an yet sometimes, you see his bland and forgettable face, his slightly weird clothes, and you try to figure out how it all fits in with the strange scraping sounds you hear late at night coming through your ceiling.
| 824 |
prairiefire Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:12:05pm |
re: #781 BigPapa
I'm about to finish carnitas, enchiladas, turkey and peas Hilo kine style, and white rice. With Ardberg scotch to chase.
Multiculturalism failed? FUCK NO!
Please make me a big bowl of Hawaiian potato salad with the macaroni, peas and surimi, k? Thxs.
| 825 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:12:14pm |
re: #818 CuriousLurker
Okay, the multiculturalism page is up for whenever you guys can get to it.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Ok I'll think about it and post. Thanks for putting it up.
| 826 |
prairiefire Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:14:33pm |
re: #791 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
That reminds me of the objection my mother had to Whitney Houstons' "The Greatest Love of All"
She felt it was satanic, because of the line, "Learning to love yourself, it is the greatest love of all".
NO IT ISN'T THE LOVE OF THE LORD AND HIS SACRIFICE FOR US SINNERS ON THE CROSS IS THE GREATEST LOVE OF ALL OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE BLAAAHHH!
/eyeroll
I rode along for work on my food distributor's truck with an AA fellow who was verrrrrrry Christian conservative. I told him I had attended a Metropolitan Church with a gay congregation and that they loved the Lord just as much as he did. Awfully hard brick wall to get through to with him.
| 827 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:18:39pm |
re: #826 prairiefire
I rode along for work on my food distributor's truck with an AA fellow who was verrry Christian conservative. I told him I had attended a Metropolitan Church with a gay congregation and that they loved the Lord just as much as he did. Awfully hard brick wall to get through to with him.
Send him to a Unity Fellowship. He'll get it after that.
Old memory of Pride parade Los Angeles, 1990 - best float entries EVER were the Unity Fellowship Gospel Choir float, and the guys from
| 828 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:20:29pm |
re: #827 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Send him to a Unity Fellowship. He'll get it after that.
Old memory of Pride parade Los Angeles, 1990 - best float entries EVER were the Unity Fellowship Gospel Choir float, and the guys from
Affirmation, back then, "gay and lesbian mormons".
About 100 cute dudes, dressed in suits, riding 2x2 on their bikes. People were screaming, crying, on their feet for them, self included. Lol it was the best.
| 829 |
prairiefire Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:21:54pm |
re: #827 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I hope he is in a happier spot then he was at that time. Man, he was bitter. He said his whorish wife had run off and he implied that he beat his son. I said some prayers for peace for that guy.
| 830 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:26:11pm |
re: #829 prairiefire
I hope he is in a happier spot then he was at that time. Man, he was bitter. He said his whorish wife had run off and he implied that he beat his son. I said some prayers for peace for that guy.
Terrible. Sounds like a classic social con, to me. It's entirely possible your prayers will be answered, though. I've seen it happen.
| 832 |
simoom Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:29:03pm |
Following the Speaker's Response:
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]
As House Speaker John Boehner left his ceremonial office building and was walking through the Speaker's Lobby surrounded by his security detail, he expressed his frustration with the ongoing debt debate gridlock. CBS News' Jill Jackson overhead the Speaker say: "I didn't sign up for going mano-a-mano with the President of the United States."His remark was dry in tone, and it was followed by silence as [he] walked down the marble stairs and left the Capitol.
| 833 |
Claire Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:33:21pm |
re: #822 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Stereotypes are a form of cultural oppression. Otherwise, what's the problem?
| 834 |
Gus Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:34:41pm |
re: #832 simoom
Following the Speaker's Response:
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]
Huh? My oh my. Facepalm. I don't know what to think of the man anymore. He's actually making Mitch McConnell look competent. Yes Boehner, you signed for "going mano a mano" with the president. That's what opposition parties do. Is he having doubts? This sounds strangely emotional.
| 835 |
CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:35:04pm |
| 836 |
CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:35:39pm |
re: #825 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Ok I'll think about it and post. Thanks for putting it up.
You're welcome. It'll be interesting to hear what you & others think.
| 837 |
CuriousLurker Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:40:44pm |
re: #836 CuriousLurker
And with that, I'm out. G'nite, everyone.
| 838 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:50:17pm |
re: #833 Claire
Stereotypes are a form of cultural oppression. Otherwise, what's the problem?
There isn't a problem outside of your reading comprehension.
Go play this butthurt game with someone else. I'm not in the mood.
| 839 |
Guanxi88 Mon, Jul 25, 2011 10:55:02pm |
So, for those in the know - and if you're not, I'm not going into it, so please, let's not rehash it, and I'm not asking - about my interesting situation, an update:
1) I'm ignoring the Rabbi's advice. I do this because I know he's right.
2) We're not going to meet, she and I, for at least another 10 years. We know what will happen if we do, and the damage it could cause.
So, it's a sort of Heloise and Abelard thing; we exchange poetry, discuss philosophy, theology, etc., and try to steer clear of amorous matters.
| 840 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:06:08pm |
re: #839 Guanxi88
So, for those in the know - and if you're not, I'm not going into it, so please, let's not rehash it, and I'm not asking - about my interesting situation, an update:
1) I'm ignoring the Rabbi's advice. I do this because I know he's right.
2) We're not going to meet, she and I, for at least another 10 years. We know what will happen if we do, and the damage it could cause.
So, it's a sort of Heloise and Abelard thing; we exchange poetry, discuss philosophy, theology, etc., and try to steer clear of amorous matters.
I'm trying to upding this, but the machine won't let me.
So I say: OK. I'm glad you have a plan.
| 841 |
Guanxi88 Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:07:24pm |
re: #840 SanFranciscoZionist
It's not a great plan, but it's the only one we've got. (I told her it's rather like life - it's not ideal by any means, but the alternatives are far worse.)
| 842 |
Guanxi88 Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:09:15pm |
re: #840 SanFranciscoZionist
She said "But I'll be so old by then."
And I said "And so will I, and what of it?"
| 843 |
goddamnedfrank Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:12:26pm |
re: #839 Guanxi88
So, for those in the know - and if you're not, I'm not going into it, so please, let's not rehash it, and I'm not asking - about my interesting situation, an update:
1) I'm ignoring the Rabbi's advice. I do this because I know he's right.
2) We're not going to meet, she and I, for at least another 10 years. We know what will happen if we do, and the damage it could cause.
So, it's a sort of Heloise and Abelard thing; we exchange poetry, discuss philosophy, theology, etc., and try to steer clear of amorous matters.
You do realize how this worked out for Abelard right? Watch your nuts. ; D
| 844 |
Guanxi88 Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:14:28pm |
re: #840 SanFranciscoZionist
And then, I went Faulkner on her, and she wept and agreed with me:
"It is hard believing, to think that a love or a sorrow is a bond purchased without design and which matures willy-nilly and is recalled without warning to be replaced by whatever issue the gods happen to be floating at the time."
(Spoken by my literary ancestor, Jason Compson the 3rd)re: #843 goddamnedfrank
You do realize how this worked out for Abelard right?
Watch your nuts. ; D
Hey, I;m married, so they haven't been in my custody for years, anyway.
| 845 |
Guanxi88 Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:15:33pm |
"It is hard believing, to think that a love or a sorrow is a bond purchased without design and which matures willy-nilly and is recalled without warning to be replaced by whatever issue the gods happen to be floating at the time."
That was the quote. Somehow, got garbled into goddamnedfrank's response
| 846 |
Guanxi88 Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:18:49pm |
Gotta tell ya, goddamnedfrank, for those who don't know, is a damned good (hell, he's a goddamned perfect) advisor. His words of wisdom ("Just what the f*ck do you think you're doing? You don't owe her sh*t" - I paraphrase) in this case helped me to reach the right decision.
| 847 |
Guanxi88 Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:20:39pm |
Jeez! Manhattans hit hard! Tried to fill my pipe just now, and half the pouch ended up in my shirt-pocket.
| 848 |
Guanxi88 Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:23:11pm |
Quiet room tonight. I;m gonna go and smoke my pipe, gaze at the heavens, and ponder the mystery of mortality. back in a few.
| 849 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:30:50pm |
re: #839 Guanxi88
So, for those in the know - and if you're not, I'm not going into it, so please, let's not rehash it, and I'm not asking - about my interesting situation, an update:
1) I'm ignoring the Rabbi's advice. I do this because I know he's right.
2) We're not going to meet, she and I, for at least another 10 years. We know what will happen if we do, and the damage it could cause.
So, it's a sort of Heloise and Abelard thing; we exchange poetry, discuss philosophy, theology, etc., and try to steer clear of amorous matters.
Sounds like the arrangement steve has (insofar as I've seen him talk about it.) Could work.
| 850 |
Kragar Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:32:52pm |
Norway terror suspect's court appearance closed to public
It was supposed to be a defining moment for Norwegian terror suspect Anders Behring Breivik.
He had hoped that Monday's hearing into last week's twin attacks would be televised live by the world's news media, authorities say. He wanted to dress in uniform to defend his actions as part of a bid to trigger an anti-Islamic revolution in Europe.
But Breivik's much-anticipated first court appearance was neither seen nor heard by the public. A Norwegian judge ruled the proceedings should be held behind closed doors, siding with government prosecutors who are increasingly nervous about giving the suspect a forum to espouse his radical views.
| 851 |
simoom Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:36:05pm |
Sounds like S&P is mostly concerned with diffusing the threat longterm, and cares much less about the substance of any deal:
| 852 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:37:14pm |
re: #850 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Yesss! Don't give the fucker the platform.
| 853 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:46:06pm |
re: #852 Sergey Romanov
Yesss! Don't give the fucker the platform.
I had a different, though admittedly pie-in-the-sky idea. Let him have the rest of his little stupid 15 minutes. The crap he spews will not only indict him, since he's copped to committing the atrocity. But the parallels between him and the US rwnj will (or won't) be made explicit.
| 854 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:46:38pm |
Should add, since his dumb "manifesto" is already online for the whole planet to view.
| 855 |
Guanxi88 Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:47:05pm |
About that whole Norway thing - one guy did all that? Staggering, the damage one evil man can inflict. And to trigger an "anti-islamic revolution"? In Norway?
Prima facie insanity defense
| 856 |
goddamnedfrank Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:51:35pm |
re: #855 Guanxi88
About that whole Norway thing - one guy did all that? Staggering, the damage one evil man can inflict. And to trigger an "anti-islamic revolution"? In Norway?
Prima facie insanity defense
Yeah I don't know about that. He was cold, calculating, and had a coherent (but completely ass backwards) ideology. I don't think he's insane at all, but instead organized, resolute and evil.
| 857 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:54:44pm |
re: #856 goddamnedfrank
Yeah I don't know about that. He was cold, calculating, and had a coherent (but completely ass backwards) ideology. I don't think he's insane at all, but instead organized, resolute and evil.
I don't think he's insane, either. I think he's another conservative-supremacist, eliminationist bigot, who needs to be held accountable for his murderous behavior.
Make an example of him, even; I won't care.
| 858 |
Guanxi88 Mon, Jul 25, 2011 11:56:37pm |
re: #856 goddamnedfrank
yes, evil, but the means and methods - organization, planning, etc., while all evidence of rational functioning of some type - are in service of an end that is both evil (death for its own sake) and insane (Norway? Norway's going to kick off the cleansing of Europe? Norway?).
Legally, though - and this is your area of expertise - you're dead on, of course.
| 860 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jul 26, 2011 12:01:12am |
re: #856 goddamnedfrank
Yeah I don't know about that. He was cold, calculating, and had a coherent (but completely ass backwards) ideology. I don't think he's insane at all, but instead organized, resolute and evil.
When Lenin ordered to his people "under the guise of the "Greens" (on whom we will lay the blame) to go 10-20 miles and hang kulaks, priests and landowners", was he insane? No, he was ruthlessly ... political.
| 861 |
goddamnedfrank Tue, Jul 26, 2011 12:03:06am |
re: #858 Guanxi88
yes, evil, but the means and methods - organization, planning, etc., while all evidence of rational functioning of some type - are in service of an end that is both evil (death for its own sake) and insane (Norway? Norway's going to kick off the cleansing of Europe? Norway?).
Legally, though - and this is your area of expertise - you're dead on, of course.
Law really was never my thing, forensics was briefly, but this is the kind of case that makes me really glad to be gone from that world.
| 862 |
The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Jul 26, 2011 12:08:32am |
re: #834 Gus 802
Huh? My oh my. Facepalm. I don't know what to think of the man anymore. He's actually making Mitch McConnell look competent. Yes Boehner, you signed for "going mano a mano" with the president. That's what opposition parties do. Is he having doubts? This sounds strangely emotional.
Not a fan of Boehner, but I wonder if he's feeling the strain of being undermined by his purported allies while having to be the face man for Congress's negotiations with the executive. It's certainly seems to me likely the TPers of the Congress propped him up and now are taking turns knocking him down.
| 863 |
sagehen Tue, Jul 26, 2011 12:48:59am |
I'm going to side with Rachel Maddow on this one -- she's been doing an occasional series called "John Boehner is really bad at his job", and the last week or two have just given us more evidence of that.
When Nancy Pelosi was speaker, almost everything she brought to the floor passed. Hundreds of bills. Literally hundreds. Boehner's only passed a dozen or so in half a year (Nancy got that many her first month), and half of those were naming buildings.
(remember their first day when they opened this Congress by reading the Consitution aloud? Except they'd taken out the embarassing parts, and then missed some when a couple of pages got stuck together. And then the first bill they voted on, it turned out that two of the tea party freshmen hadn't been properly sworn in and they had to amend the record...)
| 864 |
garhighway Tue, Jul 26, 2011 5:20:03am |
re: #251 Dark_Falcon
The plan Harry Reid showed today is a sham. It relies on "war savings" and defense cuts while leaving Medicare to grow unabated. It's a crock. The plan John Boener is better by a good margin.
"War savings" were part of the Ryan plan and other GOP plans until very recently.
Goalposts seem to be moving.
| 865 |
Eventual Carrion Tue, Jul 26, 2011 6:52:51am |
re: #94 albusteve
his learning curve is vertical...it's a tough job for a neophyte
Every first term president is a neophyte. Most don't start two wars in their ignorance tho'.
| 866 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:22:06am |
re: #603 Thanos
Hey, for lizards w/ Tweetdeck here are my latest filtered out list, feel free to copy:
@tahdeetz, @danie_b_avraham, @danielbenavraha, @thefreedomfan, @xcitizen10, @chenzhen, @xcitizen, @freedomfan2100, @blogmocracy, @headjerk, @whiteshot, @lizrdroid, @jazzyponytail, @dolphincatcher, @lizardstomp, @comment17, @lgf_charles, @shitdorksays, @joest73, @serr8d, @ludwigvanquxote, @fetishbird, @slinkybewmont, @lgf_stpancake, @mistercaps, @obdicut, @218822, @lizardroid, @killgore_trout, @chuckles3000, @gus_903, @atheistcommnwi, @meechelleo, @barrysux, @andilinks, @rbwalsh_scifi, @obama_games, @arunawayslave, @architekt010, @jinzang, @mad_gav, @zachsmind, @bacfa, @streetglidin09, @chenzhen, @1389, @gus_812
Wait. Fetishbird is WUB, AFAIK, so doesn't belong on the list.
| 867 |
garhighway Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:25:51am |
re: #865 RayFerd
Every first term president is a neophyte. Most don't start two wars in their ignorance tho'.
Which two?
| 868 |
sagehen Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:02:04am |
re: #867 garhighway
Which two?
Bush started Iraq and Afghanistan (one of which was necessary); Obama expanded Afgh into Pakistan -- there's some dispute whether jumping into Libya counts as "starting", and whether what he's doing in Yemen counts as "a war", but whatever we call them those are definitely Obama's doing.
| 869 |
garhighway Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:23:35am |
re: #868 sagehen
Bush started Iraq and Afghanistan (one of which was necessary); Obama expanded Afgh into Pakistan -- there's some dispute whether jumping into Libya counts as "starting", and whether what he's doing in Yemen counts as "a war", but whatever we call them those are definitely Obama's doing.
Yemen is the same kind of low-level stuff we have been doing for years.
My scoreboard is that BHO started one war: Libya. He is winding one down (Iraq) and wound one up (Afganistan).
The one he started has very few (if any) boots on the ground, and in fact looks a lot like the no-fly zone we maintained over Iraq for a long time, during which I do not recall anyone calling it a war. So if it IS a war, it is barely one.
I therefore call bullshit on those who say BHO "started two wars". And I take it that the comment was about BHO, not GWB.
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Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
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