Stephen Colbert: The Norwegian Muslish Terrorist’s Islam-esque Atrocity
Safer to go with ‘Muslim’
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jul 26, 2011 6:47:13pm |
All the news that's fit to make up.
I can't wait to write the family Christmas newsletter this year.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jul 26, 2011 6:48:43pm |
Even Dave Barry tells us when he's making stuff up.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jul 26, 2011 6:49:03pm |
"Bad thing happens someplace, Muslims involved!"
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 6:49:58pm |
And you know the Wall Street Journal is accurate . . . .
LMAO
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 6:53:01pm |
New Word: Muslish.
did I spell it properly?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jul 26, 2011 6:58:44pm |
I remember on 9-11 before we really knew what was going on; people where I was were saying it was Islamic Terrorists. I told several people; don't forget about Timothy McVeigh. Boy, was I wrong.
By the time I found out what was had happened in Norway; Tim McVeigh's evil twin had already been captured.
Honestly? I'm pretty certain I would've jerked my knee as high as anyone else did on this one.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:00:48pm |
I'm sorry, I have a hard time not describing this guy as a Nazi. I don't know any other vocabulary word to use.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:02:48pm |
re: #9 ggt
He looks so much like the kid from Cabaret who sings, "Tomorrow Belongs to Me" how could you not?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:03:28pm |
re: #6 ggt
New Word: Muslish.
did I spell it properly?
I think, perhaps, it should be Muzlish. Otherwise the unknowing would pronounce the "s" like a snake "sssss".
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:04:04pm |
"maybe he had a good disguise"
fucking a
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:04:15pm |
re: #11 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
He looks so much like the kid from Cabaret who sings, "Tomorrow Belongs to Me" how could you not?
And his whole utopian ideal seems to be "Aryan".
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albusteve Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:04:45pm |
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Achilles Tang Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:06:32pm |
This just in from the TV:
Carl Rove, the turd blossom
Ed Schultz
I wonder if he will be given a time out for that, or is it not as bad as slut?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:06:57pm |
re: #14 ggt
And his whole utopian ideal seems to be "Aryan".
How does Utopia only include white people?
"On second thought, let's not go to Utopia. 'Tis a boring place."
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Mocking Jay Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:07:27pm |
re: #16 Naso Tang
Huh? That's what GW Bush called him.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:07:43pm |
re: #17 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
How does Utopia only include white people?
"On second thought, let's not go to Utopia. 'Tis a boring place."
I seems to be ABB's idea. Or at least non-white people who think and believe like he does --oh wait . . .
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:08:50pm |
re: #16 Naso Tang
This just in from the TV:
Carl Rove, the turd blossom
Ed Schultz
I wonder if he will be given a time out for that, or is it not as bad as slut?
Not nearly as offensive as it sounds at first listen actually.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Velvet Elvis Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:08:52pm |
re: #16 Naso Tang
This just in from the TV:
Carl Rove, the turd blossom
Ed Schultz
I wonder if he will be given a time out for that, or is it not as bad as slut?
Turd Blossom was Bush's nickname for Rove.
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Gus Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:08:59pm |
re: #14 ggt
And his whole utopian ideal seems to be "Aryan".
White supremacist like Fjordman. They don't use the same rhetoric as Stormfront or neo-Nazis but it's very apparent in their overall text. "A white Europe under with a Christian majority." Of course the latter is absurd considering the agnostic and atheistic nature of many Europeans.
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Kragar Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:09:34pm |
re: #19 ggt
I seems to be ABB's idea. Or at least non-white people who think and believe like he does --oh wait . . .
No wonder Bryan Fischer and the rest like him.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:10:15pm |
Aryan, IIRC, is a misused term from the beginning.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:12:23pm |
re: #22 Gus 802
White supremacist like Fjordman. They don't use the same rhetoric as Stormfront or neo-Nazis but it's very apparent in their overall text. "A white Europe under with a Christian majority." Of course the latter is absurd considering the agnostic and atheistic nature of many Europeans.
I think ABB is more about Utopian Norway, IIRC. Perhaps he'd like a DMZ about 300 miles wide between His Norway and any country that accepts any person or belief system he doesn't like.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:12:37pm |
re: #20 jamesfirecat
Not nearly as offensive as it sounds at first listen actually.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
LOL, HOW INHUMANE! Cept when it's one of W's stupid juvenile nicknames.
Gah, how we are going to look back at the passive aggressive weak nickname giving president.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:13:07pm |
re: #14 ggt
And his whole utopian ideal seems to be "Aryan".
I am sorry. But now I am thinking of that old Dean Friedman song, "Ariel".
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:13:08pm |
re: #24 ggt
Aryan, IIRC, is a misused term from the beginning.
The real Aryan Superman as I understand the proper origin of the term.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:14:29pm |
re: #28 jamesfirecat
I saw UHF the other day. Only the fiftieth time or so.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:14:40pm |
re: #28 jamesfirecat
The real Aryan Superman as I understand the proper origin of the term.
Yeah, that's what I remember. I think it has to do with those who used Indo-European languages --beginning in Northern India (what is now known as Pakistan).
Somehow, that doesn't mesh with the White, Blonde hair, Blue eyed meme we've grown so used to.
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Achilles Tang Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:15:14pm |
Wow, I learn so much here. I should have listened to GWB more, but I stopped after nuclar.
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Digital Display Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:15:27pm |
re: #29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I saw UHF the other day. Only the fiftieth time or so.
I love that movie
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:15:30pm |
Ugh:
Envoy compares terror in Israel, Norway
Svein Sevje said in an Israeli newspaper interview Tuesday that while the Norwergian bomb and gun rampages that killed 76 people and Palestinian attacks should both be considered morally unacceptable, he wanted to “outline the similarity and the difference in the two cases.” Palestinians, the ambassador told Maariv, “are doing this because of a defined goal that is related to the Israeli occupation. There are elements of revenge against Israel and hatred of Israel. To this you can add the religious element to their actions.”
[Link: www.jta.org...]
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:15:39pm |
re: #26 Stanley Sea
LOL, HOW INHUMANE! Cept when it's one of W's stupid juvenile nicknames.
Gah, how we are going to look back at the passive aggressive weak nickname giving president.
Maybe it means something entirely different in Texan.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:16:34pm |
re: #14 ggt
And his whole utopian ideal seems to be "Aryan".
And his ideal of a "pan-European" coalition to fight against the Threat From The East reminds me of nothing so much as the German invasion of the Soviet Union, as the Germans brought troops from several other nations to call it a "coalition against Communism". He should reflect on that, because that invasion did not end well from Germany.
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darthstar Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:17:59pm |
Well, Jennifer Rubin got some nice screen time while Colbert talked about pulling stories out of one's ass. I hope she appreciates the positive feedback.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:18:03pm |
re: #35 Dark_Falcon
And his ideal of a "pan-European" coalition to fight against the Threat From The East reminds me of nothing so much as the German invasion of the Soviet Union, as the Germans brought troops from several other nations to call it a "coalition against Communism". He should reflect on that, because that invasion did not end well from Germany.
Never get involved in a land war in Asia and never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:19:50pm |
re: #35 Dark_Falcon
And his ideal of a "pan-European" coalition to fight against the Threat From The East reminds me of nothing so much as the German invasion of the Soviet Union, as the Germans brought troops from several other nations to call it a "coalition against Communism". He should reflect on that, because that invasion did not end well from Germany.
But he explained it all to G-d . . . . .
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:20:06pm |
re: #35 Dark_Falcon
And his ideal of a "pan-European" coalition to fight against the Threat From The East reminds me of nothing so much as the German invasion of the Soviet Union, as the Germans brought troops from several other nations to call it a "coalition against Communism". He should reflect on that, because that invasion did not end well from Germany.
He did:
I guess it is tempting for the many who have endured years of vilification, to just start believing the propaganda and embrace NS fully. However, I remain a staunch anti-Nazi and I blame NSDAP for the situation we are in. Hadn’t it been for the actions of the cultural right wing extremists known as the NSDAP our Western European countries would not be dominated by the cultural Marxist extremist regimes we witness today. If the NSDAP had been isolationistic instead of imperialistic(expansionist) and just deported the Jews (to a liberated and Muslim free Zion) instead of massacring them, the anti-European hate ideology known as multiculturalism would have never been institutionalized in Western Europe, because the Marxists would never have been so radicalized to begin with. The cultural conservatives would have been in a very strong and dominant situation today.
Western European countries would have had cultural conservative doctrines similar to what we see in Japan and South Korea.
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Kragar Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:21:03pm |
re: #32 HoosierHoops
I love that movie
Lesbian Nazi Hookers Abducted by UFOs and Forced Into Weight Loss Programs... all next week on Town Talk
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:22:40pm |
To those who managed to get thru the Manifesto with out falling asleep or needed medication, did he actually have any new ideas?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:24:03pm |
Frank Says:
There is no such thing as a dirty word. Nor is there a word so powerful, that it's going to send the listener to a lake of fire upon hearing it.
I still wish we could upding Frank.
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Gus Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:24:31pm |
Heh. Can't use Adobe Flash Player on an iPhone. That's pretty lame. Apparently, Steve Jobs has a stick up his butt about it. ;)
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Kragar Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:25:29pm |
re: #42 ggt
Frank Says:
I still wish we could upding Frank.
Oh really?
JEHOVAH! JEHOVAH! JEHOVAH! JEHOVAH!
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darthstar Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:26:20pm |
re: #42 ggt
Frank Says:
I still wish we could upding Frank.
That would be cool. Charles, feature request!
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Mocking Jay Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:26:28pm |
re: #43 Gus 802
Heh. Can't use Adobe Flash Player on an iPhone. That's pretty lame. Apparently, Steve Jobs has a stick up his butt about it. ;)
I think Flash peed in his Cheerios once or something, seeing the rage boner it gives him.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:27:02pm |
re: #41 ggt
To those who managed to get thru the Manifesto with out falling asleep or needed medication, did he actually have any new ideas?
Not really. Most of it was recycled. The only "new" thing was adopting martyrdom operations into the counter jihad movement.
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darthstar Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:27:11pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:27:49pm |
Ary·an adj.
Word History: It is one of the ironies of history that Aryan, a word nowadays referring to the blond-haired, blue-eyed physical ideal of Nazi Germany, originally referred to a people who looked vastly different. Its history starts with the ancient Indo-Iranians, Indo-European peoples who inhabited parts of what are now Iran, Afghanistan, and India. Their tribal self-designation was a word reconstructed as *arya- or *rya-. The first of these is the form found in Iranian, as ultimately in the name of Iran itself (from Middle Persian rn (ahr), "(Land) of the Iranians," from the genitive plural of r, "Iranian"). The variant *rya- is found unchanged in Sanskrit, where it referred to the upper crust of ancient Indian society. These words became known to European scholars in the 18th century. The shifting of meaning that eventually led to the present-day sense started in the 1830s, when Friedrich Schlegel, a German scholar who was an important early Indo-Europeanist, came up with a theory that linked the Indo-Iranian words with the German word Ehre, "honor," and older Germanic names containing the element ario-, such as the Swiss warrior Ariovistus who was written about by Julius Caesar. Schlegel theorized that far from being just a designation of the Indo-Iranians, the word *arya- had in fact been what the Indo-Europeans called themselves, meaning something like "the honorable people." (This theory has since been called into question.) Thus "Aryan" came to be synonymous with "Indo-European," and in this sense entered the general scholarly consciousness of the day. Not much later, it was proposed that the original homeland of the Indo-Europeans had been in northern Europe. From this theory, it was but a small leap to think of the Aryans as having had a northern European physiotype. While these theories were playing themselves out, certain anti-Semitic scholars in Germany took to viewing the Jews in Germany as the main non-Aryan people because of their Semitic roots; a distinction thus arose in their minds between Jews and the "true Aryan" Germans, a distinction that later furnished unfortunate fodder for the racial theories of the Nazis.
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Digital Display Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:28:00pm |
re: #43 Gus 802
Heh. Can't use Adobe Flash Player on an iPhone. That's pretty lame. Apparently, Steve Jobs has a stick up his butt about it. ;)
Probably because you could drive a Semi through the code and effect the O/S..
/Hey Gus!
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:28:13pm |
Need living unit in San Diego. Stat.
Gah, the shit I'm going through right now. I've sent 20 emails. Will I remember the property with the response? Uh, no.
gotta share.
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darthstar Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:28:34pm |
re: #43 Gus 802
Heh. Can't use Adobe Flash Player on an iPhone. That's pretty lame. Apparently, Steve Jobs has a stick up his butt about it. ;)
That's been common knowledge (both Jobs-butt-stick and iPhone-flash) for some time now. Welcome to the second decade of the 21st century.
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Gus Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:29:04pm |
re: #50 HoosierHoops
Probably because you could drive a Semi through the code and effect the O/S..
/Hey Gus!
Yeah. Hey Hoops. How's the heat treatin' ya?
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:29:20pm |
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Gus Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:29:46pm |
re: #52 darthstar
That's been common knowledge (both Jobs-butt-stick and iPhone-flash) for some time now. Welcome to the second decade of the 21st century.
I found this about Jobs kvetching on Flash...
Earlier this year, Apple chief executive Steve Jobs panned Flash on the iPhone, arguing that its fragmented architecture offered no middle ground suitable for use on his company's mobile products.
Specifically, he said Flash Lite "is not capable of being used with the web" because it doesn't support the same types of Flash media accessible by the traditional version of Flash player on the PC. On the otherhand, the version built for PC was dubbed a resource hog that "performs too slow to be useful" on the iPhone.
"There's this missing product in the middle," he said.
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darthstar Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:29:49pm |
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avanti Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:30:02pm |
Looks like Crazy Pam's fans have not moved to a more moderate position.
"Annie said...
[Link: www.njdc.org...]
FUcking NJDC is running a campaign to harass Glen Beck for comparing the little nazi Nords as being similar to the hitler youth. Stupid liberal Jews get it wrong every time.
These stupid Jews need to know the facts and leave poor Glen alone on this, they are just too stupid to see who their friends really are."
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Digital Display Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:30:27pm |
re: #53 Gus 802
Yeah. Hey Hoops. How's the heat treatin' ya?
Horrible..The A/C broke a few hours ago...This ain't good
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:31:09pm |
re: #57 avanti
Looks like Crazy Pam's fans have not moved to a more moderate position.
"Annie said...
[Link: www.njdc.org...]
FUcking NJDC is running a campaign to harass Glen Beck for comparing the little nazi Nords as being similar to the hitler youth. Stupid liberal Jews get it wrong every time.
These stupid Jews need to know the facts and leave poor Glen alone on this, they are just too stupid to see who their friends really are."
poor Glen
Not so poor --buy more gold and camping equipment.
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Gus Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:31:18pm |
re: #58 HoosierHoops
Horrible..The A/C broke a few hours ago...This ain't good
Immediately proceed to Plan B! You'll need a lot of ice.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:31:38pm |
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darthstar Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:32:08pm |
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jaunte Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:32:25pm |
re: #58 HoosierHoops
Horrible..The A/C broke a few hours ago...This ain't good
No kidding.
Image: Screen_shot_2011-07-26_at_9.31.20_PM.png
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Gus Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:32:25pm |
re: #57 avanti
Looks like Crazy Pam's fans have not moved to a more moderate position.
"Annie said...
[Link: www.njdc.org...]
FUcking NJDC is running a campaign to harass Glen Beck for comparing the little nazi Nords as being similar to the hitler youth. Stupid liberal Jews get it wrong every time.
These stupid Jews need to know the facts and leave poor Glen alone on this, they are just too stupid to see who their friends really are."
WTF is that about?
OK. Who's been passing out the Wingnut Koolaid™ again?
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Gus Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:33:23pm |
re: #65 jaunte
No kidding.
Image: Screen_shot_2011-07-26_at_9.31.20_PM.png
Bleh. I think I almost fainted. Whew. That's hot.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:34:25pm |
re: #47 Killgore Trout
Not really. Most of it was recycled. The only "new" thing was adopting martyrdom operations into the counter jihad movement.
Sadly, I wish he would have taken it to the personal level. Is that wrong?
I don't want to be subjected to hearing his name on the news for the rest of my life. Or every 5 years when his case comes up for review. I don't want the biopics and History Channel factdramas. I'm so tired of all that crap.
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darthstar Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:34:37pm |
re: #68 albusteve
get a room...problem solved
Did that once...went to stay with friends for a weekend in Livermore...it was 117 degrees that day. After dinner, we said, "See you in the morning!" and went to a local Courtyard for 200 bucks...worth it once we got into the pool...(they didn't close the pool all night - too many heat refugees).
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Kragar Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:35:07pm |
re: #57 avanti
Looks like Crazy Pam's fans have not moved to a more moderate position.
"Annie said...
[Link: www.njdc.org...]
FUcking NJDC is running a campaign to harass Glen Beck for comparing the little nazi Nords as being similar to the hitler youth. Stupid liberal Jews get it wrong every time.
These stupid Jews need to know the facts and leave poor Glen alone on this, they are just too stupid to see who their friends really are."
Kids at summer camp, just like Nazis.
/
Those people have something seriously wrong in their heads.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:35:49pm |
re: #57 avanti
I would like to request that the National Jewish Democratic Committee donate some cajones to the rest of the Democratic Party, because they need them.
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Digital Display Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:36:06pm |
re: #65 jaunte
No kidding.
Image: Screen_shot_2011-07-26_at_9.31.20_PM.png
106 Weds and 107 thursday and poor little Winston will under the overhead fan.. I'll be in A/C at work...The heat is so bad here...
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:36:14pm |
re: #17 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
How does Utopia only include white people?
"On second thought, let's not go to Utopia. 'Tis a boring place."
I bet they have good beer, though.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:36:33pm |
Frank has some good ones tonite:
Government is the Entertainment Division of the military-industrial complex. -- from the Real Frank Zappa Book
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darthstar Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:37:09pm |
Okay...internet break time...play nice, everyone.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:37:22pm |
re: #77 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I bet they have good beer, though.
White Northern Europeans do make good beer.
They seem to have a talent for it. Not much else to do during those long cold dark winter nights --make babies and beer.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:38:48pm |
re: #76 HoosierHoops
106 Weds and 107 thursday and poor little Winston will under the overhead fan.. I'll be in A/C at work...The heat is so bad here...
My doggies like the cold bathroom tile. They go from the bed, cause they like to be with us, to the bathroom floor until the cool off, then back to the bed--then repeat the whole cycle.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:39:15pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:39:47pm |
re: #67 Gus 802
WTF is that about?
OK. Who's been passing out the Wingnut Koolaid™ again?
Oh well! Everybody knows N#zis are Socialists!!!!11!!!!!!!!@
THEY EVEN HAVE IT IN THEIR NAME!
[say the people who know only one word of German...]
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Gus Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:40:30pm |
re: #82 ProLifeLiberal
LOL WUT
That is not fair for you.
That's where Hoop's is at. Low of 80. Highs above 100 all week.
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:40:59pm |
re: #28 jamesfirecat
The real Aryan Superman as I understand the proper origin of the term.
"Gimme a steak, medium-rare!"
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jaunte Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:41:47pm |
re: #76 HoosierHoops
I heard this on NPR a couple of days ago:
It's hot. I know, I know.
But, have you ever wondered how much heat you can take?
232 years ago, three British gentlemen decided to find out.
When Does A Person Start To Boil?
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Kragar Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:41:48pm |
re: #83 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
[say the people who know only one word of German...]
Schnitzengruben?
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Digital Display Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:42:06pm |
re: #68 albusteve
get a room...problem solved
You are an effen genius...I'll check Winston And I into a motel room nearby at lunch and wait for the repair man to fix the A/C.. I was going to Wal-Mart and buy a big fan...Forget that...It will probably be a few days before it gets fixed....
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:42:24pm |
It's not suppossed to be terribly bad here for the next few days. Storms again.
The humidy has been horrible, by my standards anyway.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:42:40pm |
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:44:30pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:44:40pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:45:22pm |
From the Pages: Harris Poll: If Mitt Romney Won GOP Nomination, Barack Obama Would Lose Race
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:46:11pm |
re: #17 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
How does Utopia only include white people?
"On second thought, let's not go to Utopia. 'Tis a boring place."
And the AC is always cranked up too damn high! And they put mayonnaise on everything! 'Tis a silly place!
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Kragar Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:47:01pm |
re: #93 ggt
From the Pages: Harris Poll: If Mitt Romney Won GOP Nomination, Barack Obama Would Lose Race
Lucky for Obama the GOP has no chance of picking Romney.
(I hear Romney's not even a Christian, gasp)
/
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Digital Display Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:47:53pm |
re: #91 ProLifeLiberal
Oh crap. I'm gonna be there in 3 weeks.
I'm gonna melt.
We are around 32 days over 100 degrees...The all time record is 50 days..
You gonna be melting!
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:49:42pm |
re: #93 ggt
From the Pages: Harris Poll: If Mitt Romney Won GOP Nomination, Barack Obama Would Lose Race
I blame white people.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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engineer cat Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:50:23pm |
re: #93 ggt
From the Pages: Harris Poll: If Mitt Romney Won GOP Nomination, Barack Obama Would Lose Race
both reagan and clinton were one term presidents at this point in their terms. bush senior, on the other hand, was a shoe-in for reelection
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:50:35pm |
Some swear words sound better in German. something about the hard consonants.
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Gus Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:51:36pm |
re: #95 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Lucky for Obama the GOP has no chance of picking Romney.
(I hear Romney's not even a Christian, gasp)
/
There's some poll out that shows that 40 percent (?) of Americans don't even know Mitt's a Mormon.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:52:12pm |
re: #93 ggt
From the Pages: Harris Poll: If Mitt Romney Won GOP Nomination, Barack Obama Would Lose Race
This poll also shows that if it was Obama or Ron Paul the vote would be split 50-50.... I am highly dubious.
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Gus Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:53:09pm |
re: #100 Gus 802
There's some poll out that shows that 40 percent (?) of Americans don't even know Mitt's a Mormon.
Right here...
Only four out of ten Americans know that the Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney is a Mormon. Nearly half (46%) say they do not know his religious affiliation.
Poll shows Americans know little about faiths of Obama, Romney
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Gus Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:53:40pm |
re: #102 Gus 802
Right here...
Poll shows Americans know little about faiths of Obama, Romney
And Obama...
Nearly one out of five Americans (18%) thinks President Barack Obama is a Muslim, even though he has repeatedly and publicly self-identified as a Christian. Only 38% correctly identify him as a Christian. 40% say they did not know what his religious beliefs were.
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jaunte Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:53:47pm |
re: #101 jamesfirecat
Maybe the paulians have finally figured out how to spam a real poll.
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Kragar Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:53:47pm |
re: #101 jamesfirecat
This poll also shows that if it was Obama or Ron Paul the vote would be split 50-50... I am highly dubious.
HA! Generic Republican did better than that.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:53:50pm |
re: #102 Gus 802
Right here...
Poll shows Americans know little about faiths of Obama, Romney
Shows how very important identity politics is . . .
/
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Gus Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:54:39pm |
re: #106 ggt
Shows how very important identity politics is . . .
/
Yeah. And 58 percent of Americans are completely clueless about Obama's religion.
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:55:13pm |
re: #9 ggt
I'm sorry, I have a hard time not describing this guy as a Nazi. I don't know any other vocabulary word to use.
Sociopath.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:56:42pm |
re: #98 engineer dog
both reagan and clinton were one term presidents at this point in their terms. bush senior, on the other hand, was a shoe-in for reelection
True, they both got down into the 30s in their approval ratings. Obama on the other hand appears to be an outlier in many ways. This works for and against him.
[Link: www.csmonitor.com...]
"Looking at history, particularly Clinton and Reagan, it is somewhat surprising that [Obama] has never yet fallen into the 30 percent range in our approval rating," Newport said. "And yet both Reagan and Clinton, in their first terms when the economy was perceived as bad ... both fell into the 30s."Newport noted, "Satisfaction with the way things are going is ... correlated with economic perceptions fairly strongly." At the same time, Obama "is overperforming. Based on where every president has been, his approval rating now is higher than we would predict it to be based on" how satisfied American adults say they are.
Pollsters are not sure why Obama has fared better than expected in the polls. Newport offered two possibilities. "One theory has to do with personal characteristics of the man," the Gallup executive said. "The other has to do with the nature of politics today." Under that theory, Obama has "kind of a rock-hard coalition that are never going to abandon him in approval ratings, and therefore that is why his approval ratings will be propped up no matter what happens."
He could lose, but of all of the candidates, he's the one not to bet against or counted out.
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Gus Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:57:09pm |
And that same poll has this...
Monday's PRRI/RNS poll also found that Obama is fairing well against potential Republican opponents. In a head-to-head matchup with Romney, 44% would vote for Obama and 36% for Romney. In an Obama/Bachmann race, 45% would vote for Obama and 37% for Bachmann.
Monday as in yesterday. So that poll has Obama ahead.
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engineer cat Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:57:11pm |
re: #102 Gus 802
Right here...
Poll shows Americans know little about faiths of Obama, Romney
obama : basketball
romney : golf
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:58:41pm |
re: #111 engineer dog
obama : basketball
romney : golf
But, Obama plays basketball
and
golf. I'm so confused. Does his white half play golf and his black half play basketball?
//
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Gus Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:58:42pm |
re: #111 engineer dog
obama : basketball
romney : golf
Yeah. But Obama really does like playing golf.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:59:32pm |
re: #112 moderatelyradicalliberal
But, Obama plays basketball and golf. I'm so confused. Does his white half play golf and his black half play basketball?
//
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 7:59:52pm |
re: #112 moderatelyradicalliberal
But, Obama plays basketball
golf. I'm so confused. Does his white half play golf and his black half play basketball?
//
Where does Tiger Woods fit in all this? He's 1/2 Black.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:00:21pm |
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Digital Display Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:01:22pm |
re: #115 ggt
Where does Tiger Woods fit in all this? He's 1/2 Black. Man
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:01:46pm |
re: #110 Gus 802
And that same poll has this...
Monday as in yesterday. So that poll has Obama ahead.
Do you have the feeling (as I do) that Sister Sarah is planning to rape the airwaves soon by declaring?
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Gus Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:01:52pm |
re: #116 Stanley Sea
Media spin wins!
If that's accurate it shows you how much Americans are paying attention. Only 38 percent correctly identify him as Christian. Which isn't terribly tragic but still rather poor.
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engineer cat Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:02:11pm |
re: #112 moderatelyradicalliberal
But, Obama plays basketball
golf. I'm so confused. Does his white half play golf and his black half play basketball?
//
omygod obama's gonna go to hell for mixing faiths
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Gus Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:02:26pm |
re: #118 Stanley Sea
Do you have the feeling (as I do) that Sister Sarah is planning to rape the airwaves soon by declaring?
Isn't she waiting until the end of Summer?
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:02:36pm |
re: #103 Gus 802
And Obama...
Mitt, mmmm, I want to see his hunky flesh in his Magic Underwear.
Sexxxy...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:02:53pm |
re: #118 Stanley Sea
Do you have the feeling (as I do) that Sister Sarah is planning to rape the airwaves soon by declaring?
Please, save us!
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:03:39pm |
re: #121 Gus 802
Isn't she waiting until the end of Summer?
For a media lull.
The Norway massacre made her hold back.
BLEH, this is going to suck.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:03:42pm |
We aren't going to have to endure a debate between Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin and Herman Cain are we?
*THE HORROR*
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:04:32pm |
re: #114 moderatelyradicalliberal
But, Obama plays basketball and golf. I'm so confused. Does his white half play golf and his black half play basketball?
//
No, his Black half plays tennis.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:05:18pm |
re: #125 ggt
We aren't going to have to endure a debate between Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin and Herman Cain are we?
*THE HORROR*
The horror is those who will declare a "winner"
I want the GOP to be a reasonable opponent. Is that too much to ask? says the Elite American.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:05:37pm |
re: #117 HoosierHoops
Well now you are making my head hurt. There isn't nearly enough white in him to explain the golfing. Perhaps it was osmosis from shagging white wimminz.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:05:53pm |
re: #127 Stanley Sea
The horror is those who will declare a "winner"
I want the GOP to be a reasonable opponent. Is that too much to ask? says the Elite American.
I don't want a One Party Government.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:05:59pm |
re: #118 Stanley Sea
Do you have the feeling (as I do) that Sister Sarah is planning to rape the airwaves soon by declaring?
I think if she's going to do that, she will wait until pRick Perry does. I bet she will want to upstage as many as possible.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:06:34pm |
re: #126 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
No, his Black half plays tennis.
And his white half does the dancing. Did you see him dancing on Ellen? LOL!
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:06:37pm |
re: #126 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
No, his Black half plays tennis.
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Gus Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:07:15pm |
If Palin runs that will mean close to a whole year of "your daily Palin word salad". Remixed. Redubbed. Repackaged Sarah Palin. Haven't we suffered enough already?
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engineer cat Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:07:41pm |
Death Ceiling Chicken
i call dibs on the movie version
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Gus Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:07:46pm |
re: #125 ggt
We aren't going to have to endure a debate between Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin and Herman Cain are we?
*THE HORROR*
Bring a dictionary.
//
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:07:54pm |
re: #127 Stanley Sea
The horror is those who will declare a "winner"
I want the GOP to be a reasonable opponent. Is that too much to ask? says the Elite American.
Can I join you in that? I promise I'll try my best to round out the Intellectually Arrogant wing.
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Kragar Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:08:05pm |
re: #125 ggt
We aren't going to have to endure a debate between Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin and Herman Cain are we?
*THE HORROR*
I know who we can get to moderate that debate.
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engineer cat Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:08:13pm |
re: #126 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
No, his Black half plays tennis.
i thought his republican half plays tennis
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:08:37pm |
re: #133 Gus 802
If Palin runs that will mean close to a whole year of "your daily Palin word salad". Remixed. Redubbed. Repackaged Sarah Palin. Haven't we suffered enough already?
She doesn't think so. Neither do her fans.
The "beltway GOP" ? She's totally alienated them. I pray she goes 3rd party actually. All the fun, no threat.
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:09:08pm |
We broke the heat wave today! We only hit 103!
Oh, wait...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:10:08pm |
re: #139 Stanley Sea
She doesn't think so. Neither do her fans.
The "beltway GOP" ? She's totally alienated them. I pray she goes 3rd party actually. All the fun, no threat.
That would sound like her --the renegade that she is --starting her own party. The Caribou Party!
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:10:57pm |
re: #129 ggt
I don't want a One Party Government.
I don't think you have to worry about that. The GOP can manage to win elections no matter how crazy they get. They may not get the WH back in 2012, but they will either hold the House or lose the House and get the Senate. Just because some of us think they are dooming themselves to political obscurity doesn't mean they are in fact, an increasing number of white voters seem to think the GOP is awesome.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
As the country enters into the 2012 presidential election cycle, the electorate’s partisan affiliations have shifted significantly since Barack Obama won office nearly three years ago. In particular, the Democrats hold a much narrower edge than they did in 2008, particularly when the partisan leanings of independents are taken into account.Notably, the GOP gains have occurred only among white voters; a 2-point Republican edge among whites in 2008 (46% to 44%) has widened to a 13-point lead today (52% to 39%). In sharp contrast, the partisan attachments of black and Hispanic voters have remained consistently Democratic.
While Republican gains in leaned party identification span nearly all subgroups of whites, they are particularly pronounced among the young and poor.
Doesn't sound like we are headed to one party rule any time soon.
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Gus Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:11:04pm |
re: #139 Stanley Sea
She doesn't think so. Neither do her fans.
The "beltway GOP" ? She's totally alienated them. I pray she goes 3rd party actually. All the fun, no threat.
Her fans are hard to describe. They're like something out of a game show audience. They have that 1000 yard stare. Like Palin and her deer in the headlights gaze.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:11:26pm |
re: #137 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I know who we can get to moderate that debate.
[Video]
No, I'll do it. I'll take the ring into Mordor...
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:11:31pm |
re: #131 moderatelyradicalliberal
And his white half does the dancing. Did you see him dancing on Ellen? LOL!
I like this picture of them. Though I think Michelle should have chosen a different blouse lol
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:11:38pm |
re: #141 ggt
That would sound like her --the renegade that she is --starting her own party. The Caribou Party!
The wordsalad party.
Really, it will be fun. And I believe she has the ego. Although, who knows who's whispering in her ear about riches, riches I tell ya,.
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prairiefire Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:11:41pm |
re: #133 Gus 802
If Palin runs that will mean close to a whole year of "your daily Palin word salad". Remixed. Redubbed. Repackaged Sarah Palin. Haven't we suffered enough already?
I think it's kinda fun.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:12:00pm |
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makeitstop Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:12:30pm |
re: #43 Gus 802
Heh. Can't use Adobe Flash Player on an iPhone. That's pretty lame. Apparently, Steve Jobs has a stick up his butt about it. ;)
That's brought me a lot of work in the past year or so. A lot of the sites that I've built where the client insisted on using at least some Flash had to be 'backwards engineered' after the CEO got his new iPhone or iPad and couldn't see half his web site. :)
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:14:06pm |
're: #139 Stanley Sea
She doesn't think so. Neither do her fans.
The "beltway GOP" ? She's totally alienated them. I pray she goes 3rd party actually. All the fun, no threat.
The "beltway GOP" has no control anymore. See the House Republicans and the debt ceiling. No ability to control they what so ever. If she runs and gets traction, the "beltway GOP" will back her all the way.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:14:10pm |
re: #142 moderatelyradicalliberal
I don't think you have to worry about that. The GOP can manage to win elections no matter how crazy they get. They may not get the WH back in 2012, but they will either hold the House or lose the House and get the Senate. Just because some of us think they are dooming themselves to political obscurity doesn't mean they are in fact, an increasing number of white voters seem to think the GOP is awesome.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Doesn't sound like we are headed to one party rule any time soon.
And you know the surest way to go broke politically relevant? Keep getting an increasing share of a shrinking market segment of the population. Down the tubes. Slow but sure
| 153 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:14:13pm |
She managed to get herself on the cover of Newsweek. Or her boobs did. With the Tag: "I Can Win."
Boobs with Glasses. I swear it's the Sexy Librarian Fantasy come to life.
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Gus Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:14:21pm |
Yes. Vote for me. I quit being governor of Alaska because I couldn't handle the pressure.
Zzzzzz.
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Gus Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:15:10pm |
re: #153 ggt
She managed to get herself on the cover of Newsweek. Or her boobs did. With the Tag: "I Can Win."
Boobs with Glasses. I swear it's the Sexy Librarian Fantasy come to life.
Yeah but I thought librarians were supposed to have brains.
| 156 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:16:26pm |
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sagehen Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:16:35pm |
re: #155 Gus 802
Yeah but I thought librarians were supposed to have brains.
At the very least, they have a good answer when you ask them what they read.
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Gus Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:16:43pm |
re: #151 moderatelyradicalliberal
'
The "beltway GOP" has no control anymore. See the House Republicans and the debt ceiling. No ability to control they what so ever. If she runs and gets traction, the "beltway GOP" will back her all the way.
And that weirdo running the RNC. Reince Preibus.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:17:09pm |
re: #158 Gus 802
And that weirdo running the RNC. Reince Preibus.
Is that a character in a video game?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:17:41pm |
re: #153 ggt
She managed to get herself on the cover of Newsweek. Or her boobs did. With the Tag: "I Can Win."
Boobs with Glasses. I swear it's the Sexy Librarian Fantasy come to life.
Newsweek loves putting pics of her on their covers, and did even before they became NewsBeast. What's funny is, I don't see Newsweek in many stores in my neck of the woods, these days. Whatever moves copies, I guess.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:18:13pm |
re: #155 Gus 802
Yeah but I thought librarians were supposed to have brains.
Fuck those elites! Us Librarians are idjits and proud of it. USA USA
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:18:23pm |
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Mocking Jay Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:18:45pm |
re: #159 ggt
Is that a character in a video game?
No. New Defense Against the Dark Arts Professor...
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jaunte Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:19:34pm |
re: #158 Gus 802
And that weirdo running the RNC. Reince Preibus.
That's Foreskin Man's loyal sidekick.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:19:50pm |
It's been fun. Out for a pizza then another repeat of today!
See ya Lizards!
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:20:44pm |
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Kragar Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:21:07pm |
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:29:57pm |
Fiscal responsibility....
Obama says Reagan raised debt ceiling 18 times; George W. Bush seven times
/true
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:32:20pm |
re: #8 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I remember on 9-11 before we really knew what was going on; people where I was were saying it was Islamic Terrorists. I told several people; don't forget about Timothy McVeigh. Boy, was I wrong.
By the time I found out what was had happened in Norway; Tim McVeigh's evil twin had already been captured.
Honestly? I'm pretty certain I would've jerked my knee as high as anyone else did on this one.
I figured it was standard jihadi thing--or Libya--until it wasn't.
That was based on prior experience.
Now I have new prior experience.
Sigh.
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sagehen Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:33:13pm |
Social Security Reform Bill Encourages Americans To Live Faster, Die Younger
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Lidane Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:33:17pm |
re: #46 JasonA
I think Flash peed in his Cheerios once or something, seeing the rage boner it gives him.
Yeah, he HATES Adobe. He's called them a bunch of lazy developers, IIRC. And the fact that they charge out the ass for the Adobe product line pisses him off too. At least that's my understanding.
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Lidane Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:36:25pm |
re: #72 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Kids at summer camp, just like Nazis.
/Those people have something seriously wrong in their heads.
They believe that bullshit that the Doughy Pantload started spreading about Nazis being liberals, so a liberal summer camp = a training ground for the next Hitler Youth.
These people are stupid. You really have to wonder how they dress and feed themselves on a daily basis.
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Gus Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:36:31pm |
re: #170 Killgore Trout
Fiscal responsibility...
Obama says Reagan raised debt ceiling 18 times; George W. Bush seven times
/true
Here's an interesting read.
Lessons from the great government shutdown of 1995-1996
With a March 4 deadline looming on extending a stopgap spending bill, both Republicans and Democrats are preparing for the possibility of a federal government shutdown. Interestingly, a new poll of political insiders reveals that Republicans overwhelmingly believe that a government shutdown is not in their interest. Democrats, by contrast, believe a government shutdown would benefit their party.
The reason? The great government shutdown of 1995-1996, in which a weakened President Bill Clinton faced off against determined Republicans, led by House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) -- and won. Take a look at the classic New York Daily News cover from that period (above) as evidence of how the Republicans lost control of their message. The Republican Revolution died that day.
John Boehner, the current speaker, was the No. 4 Republican in the House leadership during Gingrich's heyday. By many accounts, the experience of living through that shutdown has deeply affected him. Assuming Boehner can maintain control of his caucus, that alone makes it less likely a shutdown will happen this year.
The Fact Checker covered the budget battles of 1995-1996 and so had a front-row seat to the GOP debacle. What lessons can the Republicans draw from that experience? As part of our effort to provide background context for issues current in the news, let's examine the history.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:36:56pm |
re: #173 Lidane
Yeah, he HATES Adobe. He's called them a bunch of lazy developers, IIRC. And the fact that they charge out the ass for the Adobe product line pisses him off too. At least that's my understanding.
On the other hand, I don't trust an OS that costs a piddling $29.99...
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Gus Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:37:36pm |
re: #175 Gus 802
Here's an interesting read.
Excerpt:
In retrospect, Republican lawmakers in 1995 had fallen prey to listening only to their own "echo chamber" and did not understand how their actions were being perceived outside Republican fundraisers and caucus meetings. A more logical course would have been to achieve smaller victories that would have preserved their majority. Assuming Clinton had been defeated in 1996, a Republican president could have then pushed ahead with the more revolutionary agenda.
They're doing it again. Bwahahaha!
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jaunte Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:37:37pm |
re: #170 Killgore Trout
Back in the ancient days of 2001:
Nearly 10 years ago today, on August 1, 2001, the Associated Press reported that the Treasury Department was tapping $51 billion of credit in order to pay for the budgetary cost of the first round of Bush tax cuts’ rebate checks. The AP reported at the time that Democratic Party opponents of the tax cuts worried that they’d return government budgets to “red ink“:
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]
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Lidane Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:39:13pm |
re: #125 ggt
We aren't going to have to endure a debate between Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin and Herman Cain are we?
*THE HORROR*
My liver won't survive. Neither will my TV, because I'll inevitably throw something at it due to all the fail.
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:43:55pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:43:57pm |
Sorry I dropped out there. My PC froze and needed some TLC before going back online. Everything's good now.
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Gus Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:43:59pm |
Debt ceiling threat has Wall Street scrambling
Business executives have stepped up appeals for political action and prepared contingency plans in case the stalemate persists.
Reporting from New York and Washington—
Wall Street has tried to ignore the threat posed by Washington failing to raise the debt ceiling. No more.
Business executives stepped up appeals this week for political action, worried that the nation faced a crisis, and prepared contingency plans in case the stalemate persists. At Wall Street banks and investment firms, many traders are putting vacation plans on hold so they can be at their desks Aug. 2.
"Trading floors Street-wide are unusually well populated for this time of year," said Peter Kenny, a trader at Knight Capital Group. "You will see very few people on vacation."
The Dow Jones industrial average fell for a third day in a row Tuesday, the dollar slumped and gold hit a new high amid increasing jitters that President Obama and Congress won't reach an accord to lift the debt ceiling in time.
Without a deal, the most feared scenario is that the U.S. will miss payments on its bonds and default — which financial experts say would be disastrous. While still considered unlikely, the prospect is popping up more in conversations.
"No one … could possibly say that there is no chance of a catastrophic outcome," JPMorgan Chase & Co. CEO Jamie Dimon told analysts last week.
Continues.
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Lidane Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:44:08pm |
re: #140 austin_blue
We broke the heat wave today! We only hit 103!
Oh, wait...
Tell me about it. The Sun Is Too Damn Hot. =P
OTOH, my boss at my internship just told me today that when I start school, they're going to put me on the hourly payroll. I'll be bringing in a paycheck again, thank SRV. It won't be a massive payday since I'll be part-time while in school, but it's cash in my pocket so it's all good.
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Kragar Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:45:02pm |
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Gus Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:45:12pm |
After Aiding Republicans, Business Groups Press Them on Debt Ceiling
WASHINGTON — The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, which spent millions of dollars last year helping elect Republicans to Congressional seats, is struggling to convince the House it helped to build that the debt ceiling must be increased.
The chamber and other business groups have pressed with increasing urgency for Congress to raise the maximum amount that the government can borrow. They have cataloged the consequences of default at meetings, parties and dinners and over drinks.
On Tuesday, the chamber threw its weight behind the proposal of the House speaker, John A. Boehner, telling recalcitrant Republicans that a pending vote on the plan was a with-us-or-against-us moment that would be remembered during the next election campaign.
But as the government runs out of money, those efforts have not produced the desired result. The freshman class of House Republicans, along with longer-serving members, is balking at Mr. Boehner’s plan, let alone anything that Senate Democrats and the White House might be willing to accept.
The tension highlights the distance between the pro-business stalwarts of the traditional Republican Party and the populism of its newer representatives, many of whom seem to view Wall Street and Washington with equal suspicion.
Continues.
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:46:08pm |
re: #182 Dark_Falcon
Sorry I dropped out there. My PC froze and needed some TLC before going back online. Everything's good now.
You got some 'splainin' to do about the abject failure of multiculturalism in the US with me.
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:47:17pm |
re: #184 Lidane
Tell me about it. The Sun Is Too Damn Hot. =P
OTOH, my boss at my internship just told me today that when I start school, they're going to put me on the hourly payroll. I'll be bringing in a paycheck again, thank SRV. It won't be a massive payday since I'll be part-time while in school, but it's cash in my pocket so it's all good.
Outstanding!
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makeitstop Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:47:58pm |
Jokers like this guy are not helping.
Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT) told MSNBC’s Chris Matthews Monday that he is giving Congress ten days to pass a constitutional amendment that would make raising taxes nearly impossible. And if he doesn’t get what he wants, he will do everything in his power to force the U.S. to default on its debts.
“Okay, in ten days you want to change the United States Constitution by two-thirds vote in both houses?” Matthews asked. “That’s what you’re demanding.”
“Yes,” Lee admitted.
Damned extortionists.
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Gus Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:48:25pm |
re: #186 Gus 802
After Aiding Republicans, Business Groups Press Them on Debt Ceiling
“I think they’re very pleased with the antigovernment inclinations of the Tea Party Republicans when it comes to taxes and regulation,” said David Axelrod, one of the president’s chief political advisers. “But now we have a situation where the integrity of the economy and the U.S. financial system is at stake, and they’re being hoisted on their own petards.”
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:48:30pm |
re: #175 Gus 802
Here's an interesting read.
The problem is that this isn't a center-driven discussion. The middle is crying out for a deal, but it doesn't matter because what legislators in both parties are afraid of is pissing off their base and facing a strong primary challenge. My best friend and I were talking about this earlier. Right now, the party bases are so far apart that no "grand bargain" can succeed. We both think the best thing now is a five-week extension of the debt ceiling, followed by a week where no talks take place, to allow the parties to take stock and the temperature to cool off. And sad to say, we reached this conclusion knowing that no grand bargain means a credit downgrade. But there's nothing for it: the actions needed to avoid a downgrade are simply politically impossible.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:48:39pm |
re: #184 Lidane
Tell me about it. The Sun Is Too Damn Hot. =P
OTOH, my boss at my internship just told me today that when I start school, they're going to put me on the hourly payroll. I'll be bringing in a paycheck again, thank SRV. It won't be a massive payday since I'll be part-time while in school, but it's cash in my pocket so it's all good.
That's a relief. There were years during undergrad when the stupid Republicans in the CA legislature would stonewall the budget and all state employees would be paid by IOU. How the eff is anyone supposed to pay bills via IOU?
It's happened a few times since then, but luckily I was in the UC system at the time, which was spared that. The Cal State and community college systems weren't.
These people are filth.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:49:53pm |
re: #169 Gus 802
What's a Reince Priebus? - The Colbert Report - 2011-05-01 - Video
Chambliss/Preibus 2012 --
lol
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:50:21pm |
re: #187 austin_blue
You got some 'splainin' to do about the abject failure of multiculturalism in the US with me.
Now now. He's putting off any definitions until tomorrow. Or Thursday.
Or when the cows come home. //
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:50:22pm |
re: #192 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
That's a relief. There were years during undergrad when the stupid Republicans in the CA legislature would stonewall the budget and all state employees would be paid by IOU. How the eff is anyone supposed to pay bills via IOU?
It's happened a few times since then, but luckily I was in the UC system at the time, which was spared that. The Cal State and community college systems weren't.
These people are filth.
They're cops?
Oh, wait. I watch too much BBC.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:51:20pm |
re: #187 austin_blue
You got some 'splainin' to do about the abject failure of multiculturalism in the US with me.
Actually, I'm going to have to revise that statement, sharply. There's not one variety of multiculturalism, but several, and not all are used in America and not that are can be called failures. So right now I'm trying to construct a more unified policy view that can survive discussion.
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:53:10pm |
re: #196 Dark_Falcon
Actually, I'm going to have to revise that statement, sharply. There's not one variety of multiculturalism, but several, and not all are used in America and not that are can be called failures. So right now I'm trying to construct a more unified policy view that can survive discussion.
Well, that's fuzzy as hell. Work on it! (and get back to me).
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:54:35pm |
re: #196 Dark_Falcon
Actually, I'm going to have to revise that statement, sharply. There's not one variety of multiculturalism, but several, and not all are used in America and not that are can be called failures. So right now I'm trying to construct a more unified policy view that can survive discussion.
Might I suggest jaunte's link from the other day. Stanford.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:55:08pm |
re: #189 makeitstop
Jokers like this guy are not helping.
Damned extortionists.
Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT) told MSNBC’s Chris Matthews Monday that he is giving Congress ten days to pass a constitutional amendment that would make raising taxes nearly impossible. And if he doesn’t get what he wants, he will do everything in his power to force the U.S. to default on its debts.
“Okay, in ten days you want to change the United States Constitution by two-thirds vote in both houses?” Matthews asked. “That’s what you’re demanding.”
“Yes,” Lee admitted.
Not to mention ratification by 3/4 of the states or amendment convention. In ten days. Right.
This is the result of Teabagger Homeschool Civics Curriculum for Republican Dunces.
Idiots, who don't even mean what they say, because they have no idea what they are talking about...
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simoom Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:55:53pm |
An interesting omission by WaPo:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), the party’s vote counter, began his talk by showing a clip from the movie, “The Town”, trying to forge a sense of unity among the independent-minded caucus.One character asks his friend: “I need your help. I can’t tell you what it is. You can never ask me about it later.”
“Whose car are we gonna take,” the character says.
After showing the clip, Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.), one of the most outspoken critics of leadership among the 87 freshmen, stood up to speak, according to GOP aides.
“I’m ready to drive the car,” West replied, surprising many Republicans by giving his full -throated support for the plan.
WaPo ommited:
Ben Affleck: I need your help. I can't tell you what it is. You can never ask me about it later. And we're going to hurt some people.Jeremy Renner: What car are we going to take?
The clip:
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makeitstop Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:56:05pm |
re: #191 Dark_Falcon
The middle is crying out for a deal, but it doesn't matter because what legislators in both parties are afraid of is pissing off their base and facing a strong primary challenge.
No, I don't think so.
The Republicans, to a man, are scared to death of being primaried and are tip-toeing around the Tea Party - and letting it affect their votes.
Do you have documentation of any Democrat being threatened with a primary challenge for voting the 'wrong way?' And not some wild-ass Firebagger demanding that Obama be primaried. Real cases, if you have them.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:56:39pm |
It seems knee-jerk stupid responses are universal. and predictable.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:58:17pm |
re: #199 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT) told MSNBC’s Chris Matthews Monday that he is giving Congress ten days to pass a constitutional amendment that would make raising taxes nearly impossible. And if he doesn’t get what he wants, he will do everything in his power to force the U.S. to default on its debts.
“Okay, in ten days you want to change the United States Constitution by two-thirds vote in both houses?” Matthews asked. “That’s what you’re demanding.”
“Yes,” Lee admitted.
Not to mention ratification by 3/4 of the states or amendment convention. In ten days. Right.
This is the result of Teabagger Homeschool Civics Curriculum for Republican Dunces.
Idiots, who don't even mean what they say, because they have no idea what they are talking about...
R-Utah, maybe having a pissing contest with Harry Reid?
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Lidane Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:59:39pm |
re: #203 ggt
R-Utah, maybe having a pissing contest with Harry Reid?
I thought Reid was from Nevada?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:59:43pm |
re: #196 Dark_Falcon
So right now I'm trying to construct a more unified policy view that can survive discussion.
Not sure if you know this already, but there is a thread available for tomorrow, Thursday-Friday, 12th of Never, or whenever you move your self-imposed deadline to -- [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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makeitstop Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:00:27pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:01:01pm |
re: #197 austin_blue
Well, that's fuzzy as hell. Work on it! (and get back to me).
Yeah, its fuzzy. I've been busy with other things today. I was working on the details of a Battletech scenario during my commutes today, I was focus on getting through to potential customers at work, I spent most of dinner with my parents talking about work, and the rest of the time has been spent following the debt ceiling imbroglio
The good news is that today was a 20% day (so any sales were commissioned at 20% of the commissionable amount of sale). I got a sale today and got the added commission.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:01:29pm |
Frank again:
The worst aspect of 'typical familyism' (as media-merchandised) is that it glorifies involuntary homogenization.
Somehow that term (already bolded) is relevant to the conversation about ABB.
help me out here.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:02:16pm |
re: #204 Lidane
I thought Reid was from Nevada?
He is, I get the two confused.
Something to with attitudes about sex. I get a little dyslexic somethings.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:02:18pm |
re: #201 makeitstop
No, I don't think so.
The Republicans, to a man, are scared to death of being primaried and are tip-toeing around the Tea Party - and letting it affect their votes.
Do you have documentation of any Democrat being threatened with a primary challenge for voting the 'wrong way?' And not some wild-ass Firebagger demanding that Obama be primaried. Real cases, if you have them.
What! You mean the New Progressive Alliance and October 2011 Coalition of 17 Hair-on-Fire People doesn't count!?
Lol they are funny.
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makeitstop Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:03:34pm |
re: #210 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
What! You mean the New Progressive Alliance and October 2011 Coalition of 17 Hair-on-Fire People doesn't count!?
Lol they are funny.
There are 17 of them? That sounds a mite high. :)
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Kragar Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:04:10pm |
re: #199 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
For Mike Lee, the R stands for Reg.
REG: We're giving Pilate two days to dismantle the entire apparatus of the Roman Imperialist State.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:05:14pm |
Puppy's first experience with the laundry room was when I pulled his newly washed and dried toys/blanket and bed mat out of the dryer.
Now he thinks the dryer is like Christmas or something. He pulled my clean sheets (still warm) out of the basket and decided to take a nap on them.
I know, I made it happen. . . .
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:05:43pm |
re: #208 ggt
Terrorists favor processed milk?
/
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Gus Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:05:51pm |
re: #191 Dark_Falcon
The problem is that this isn't a center-driven discussion. The middle is crying out for a deal, but it doesn't matter because what legislators in both parties are afraid of is pissing off their base and facing a strong primary challenge. My best friend and I were talking about this earlier. Right now, the party bases are so far apart that no "grand bargain" can succeed. We both think the best thing now is a five-week extension of the debt ceiling, followed by a week where no talks take place, to allow the parties to take stock and the temperature to cool off. And sad to say, we reached this conclusion knowing that no grand bargain means a credit downgrade. But there's nothing for it: the actions needed to avoid a downgrade are simply politically impossible.
They've had more than enough time. If they extend it for another 5 weeks they will only return to where they started from and being the process all over again. During those 5 weeks market uncertainty would remain including the bond market. Many firms have already borrowed billions to prepare for worst case scenarios.
Some major investors and borrowers already have taken steps to protect themselves from potential market turmoil. California had planned to borrow in August by selling short-term notes to investors, but instead on Tuesday took a $5.4-billion loan from eight major banks to bypass the U.S. debt drama.
The 5 week extension will cost us dearly and out a dent in the recovery. It may be better then allowing a full collapse but it's not the desired outcome.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:06:12pm |
re: #210 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
What! You mean the New Progressive Alliance and October 2011 Coalition of 17 Hair-on-Fire People doesn't count!?
Lol they are funny.
Hair-on-Fire People?
What did I misss? Is this a Justin Beiber reference?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:06:41pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:06:58pm |
re: #214 Slumbering Behemoth
SB - where ya been? Nice to see ya.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:07:40pm |
re: #218 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
He's been sleeping!
LOL!
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:08:10pm |
re: #210 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
What! You mean the New Progressive Alliance and October 2011 Coalition of 17 Hair-on-Fire People doesn't count!?
Lol they are funny.
Hell, according to the Chicago Tribune (which does lean Republican, but is not crazy and cares much for the facts) part of the reasons talks broke down was that when Obama tried to put a group of spending cuts before tax hikes, the Dems in Congress started revolting. The Democrats are under some strong pressure from the Moveon.org wing of their party.
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engineer cat Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:08:21pm |
multiculturalism
i doubt that there are any countries that could not be described as multicultural
i was talking to a cab driver in nyc once, who had just arrived from africa, about racism in america. he just laughed and told me
"where i come from the people in the hills hate the people in the valley"
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:09:24pm |
re: #208 ggt
Frank again:
Somehow that term (already bolded) is relevant to the conversation about ABB.
help me out here.
I honestly have no clue..
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:09:49pm |
re: #192 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Welcome to today's Kalifornia!
We're doing it again!
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:10:02pm |
re: #216 ggt
Hair-on-Fire People?
What did I misss? Is this a Justin Beiber reference?
[OC/SP-speak for progressive dorks like Baggerdog Lake, and furious, seething socons.]
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:10:28pm |
re: #221 engineer dog
multiculturalism
i doubt that there are any countries that could not be described as multicultural
i was talking to a cab driver in nyc once, who had just arrived from africa, about racism in america. he just laughed and told me
"where i come from the people in the hills hate the people in the valley"
The Taxi Episode with Carol Kane and Andy Kaufmann's character: Latka. They fell in love and everything was groovy until he found out she was from some area of his country of origin that was considered bad to the people of his area. . . .
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:10:41pm |
re: #215 Gus 802
They've had more than enough time. If they extend it for another 5 weeks they will only return to where they started from and being the process all over again. During those 5 weeks market uncertainty would remain including the bond market. Many firms have already borrowed billions to prepare for worst case scenarios.
The 5 week extension will cost us dearly and out a dent in the recovery. It may be better then allowing a full collapse but it's not the desired outcome.
It's not a desirable outcome, but its the only one I see working right now. Things are too hostile and toxic to reach a deal right now, and until some cool-off time has passed nothing will change. I don't like this idea, Gus, because I'd prefer a deal, really I would. But it is not possible at the moment, given the politics of the issue.
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laZardo Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:11:37pm |
re: #221 engineer dog
multiculturalism
i doubt that there are any countries that could not be described as multicultural
i was talking to a cab driver in nyc once, who had just arrived from africa, about racism in america. he just laughed and told me
"where i come from the people in the hills hate the people in the valley"
Sometimes I wonder if we've softened its effects by turning it into shock humor. Especially from noticing the popularity of racial stand-up comedy as well as 4chan.
Ah, 4chan... :3
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:11:56pm |
re: #222 austin_blue
I honestly have no clue..
He seems to think that forced homogenization or natural homogenization is possible if just all the "bad" people would go away.
I' dont' know, I'm tired.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:14:03pm |
re: #220 Dark_Falcon
Hell, according to the Chicago Tribune (which does lean Republican, but is not crazy and cares much for the facts) part of the reasons talks broke down was that when Obama tried to put a group of spending cuts before tax hikes, the Dems in Congress started revolting. The Democrats are under some strong pressure from the Moveon.org wing of their party.
Yeah but the "primary Obama" crowd (nuttier than the moveon.org wing) has nowhere near the force of the tea party astroturfers, and Norquist pledgees. The latter is running the entire GOP right now.
The best part: Jane Hamsher of Firebag Lake has been known to crawl in bed with Norquist. They all deserve each other, afaic.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:14:28pm |
re: #218 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
SB - where ya been? Nice to see ya.
I wish I could say "Getting Laid", but that is not the case.
Getting drunk and avoiding the interwebs. This Oslo thing is sad and ugly enough on it's own, I did not want to watch the wingnut-o-sphere spin this in real-time as predictably as it has.
So I drank and played Civ IV in my spare time.
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makeitstop Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:15:19pm |
re: #220 Dark_Falcon
Hell, according to the Chicago Tribune (which does lean Republican, but is not crazy and cares much for the facts) part of the reasons talks broke down was that when Obama tried to put a group of spending cuts before tax hikes, the Dems in Congress started revolting. The Democrats are under some strong pressure from the Moveon.org wing of their party.
Isn't it just as probable that they 'revolted' because of the nature of the alleged 'cuts' (the notorious 'deep guts to SS and Medicaid' that never materialized)?
The Democrats at least seem self-aware enough to realize that certain cuts should be o-limits. The Republicans, especialy in the House, seem to have no such awareness.
They seem to be 'listening to their own echo chamber' again, and it's telling them the 'American People' want them to crash the car - numerous polls that prove otherwise be damned.
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sagehen Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:16:51pm |
re: #184 Lidane
Tell me about it. The Sun Is Too Damn Hot. =P
OTOH, my boss at my internship just told me today that when I start school, they're going to put me on the hourly payroll. I'll be bringing in a paycheck again, thank SRV. It won't be a massive payday since I'll be part-time while in school, but it's cash in my pocket so it's all good.
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:16:59pm |
re: #220 Dark_Falcon
Hell, according to the Chicago Tribune (which does lean Republican, but is not crazy and cares much for the facts) part of the reasons talks broke down was that when Obama tried to put a group of spending cuts before tax hikes, the Dems in Congress started revolting. The Democrats are under some strong pressure from the Moveon.org wing of their party.
Um...no. Boehner rejected it. The Legislative Dems were pissed off because they weren't in on the discussion- the discussion was between the Prez and Boehner. Have you noticed how orange he is? Weird.
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makeitstop Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:17:18pm |
re: #229 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
The best part: Jane Hamsher of Firebag Lake has been known to crawl in bed with Norquist. They all deserve each other, afaic.
I'm tying so hard to un-imagine that.
/
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:17:30pm |
re: #231 makeitstop
Isn't it just as probable that they 'revolted' because of the nature of the alleged 'cuts' (the notorious 'deep guts to SS and Medicaid' that never materialized)?
The Democrats at least seem self-aware enough to realize that certain cuts should be o-limits. The Republicans, especialy in the House, seem to have no such awareness.
They seem to be 'listening to their own echo chamber' again, and it's telling them the 'American People' want them to crash the car - numerous polls that prove otherwise be damned.
I think these idiots are just addicted to the drama to pay attention to what is really happening.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:18:25pm |
re: #41 ggt
To those who managed to get thru the Manifesto with out falling asleep or needed medication, did he actually have any new ideas?
I'm still going through it. But no, no new ideas as far as I can tell.
What interests me is, just how mainstreamed some of the ideas are....and the number of people who agree with them. Already, they are starting to bare their fangs. I expect a whole lot more of it, too.
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Lidane Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:18:37pm |
re: #226 Dark_Falcon
. But it is not possible at the moment, given the politics of the issue.
The politics is all manufactured bullshit. Reagan raised the debt limit 18 times. Dubya did it 7 times. Not a goddamn peep out of most of the GOP that's currently in Congress. NOW it's an issue? Really?
It's never been a problem before. It's been raised quietly and cleanly in the past. Now you have a bunch of Know-Nothings in the House GOP being led by their teabagger counterparts into running this country off a cliff, and the Beltway GOP types like Boehner are powerless to stop it.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:19:14pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:19:29pm |
re: #233 austin_blue
Um...no. Boehner rejected it. The Legislative Dems were pissed off because they weren't in on the discussion- the discussion was between the Prez and Boehner. Have you noticed how orange he is? Weird.
There was a part on House with an Orange man. His usual response --"your wife is having an affair".
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:20:07pm |
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garhighway Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:20:08pm |
re: #226 Dark_Falcon
It's not a desirable outcome, but its the only one I see working right now. Things are too hostile and toxic to reach a deal right now, and until some cool-off time has passed nothing will change. I don't like this idea, Gus, because I'd prefer a deal, really I would. But it is not possible at the moment, given the politics of the issue.
You have a funny definition of "working".
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Gus Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:22:03pm |
re: #226 Dark_Falcon
It's not a desirable outcome, but its the only one I see working right now. Things are too hostile and toxic to reach a deal right now, and until some cool-off time has passed nothing will change. I don't like this idea, Gus, because I'd prefer a deal, really I would. But it is not possible at the moment, given the politics of the issue.
The bottom line or the greatest sticking point is the Bush tax cuts. It's time the GOP stopped being in denial about this. The Bush tax cuts for the upper earners has to come to an end. Wars aren't free.
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Digital Display Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:22:27pm |
re: #238 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Lol I know. It's ugly, isn't it?
The first time I ever blogged in my life was like 5 years ago.. I saw a movie called blog wars 2 about firedoglake.. I lost my blogging cherry to Jane...Haven't been there in about 4 years..But I like Jane as a person.. Our politics are different
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:22:28pm |
re: #42 ggt
Who's Frank? Sorry, I missed the ref.
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Lidane Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:22:36pm |
re: #241 garhighway
You have a funny definition of "working".
Seriously. A short-term increase is meaningless, since all that accomplishes is dragging out this debt ceiling bullshit for that much longer.
They need a deal NOW. We can't afford a default. Our credit and our standing in the world are at stake.
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:22:46pm |
re: #237 Lidane
The politics is all manufactured bullshit. Reagan raised the debt limit 18 times. Dubya did it 7 times. Not a goddamn peep out of most of the GOP that's currently in Congress. NOW it's an issue? Really?
It's never been a problem before. It's been raised quietly and cleanly in the past. Now you have a bunch of Know-Nothings in the House GOP being led by their teabagger counterparts into running this country off a cliff, and the Beltway GOP types like Boehner are powerless to stop it.
I like how you cut through the crap. That is exactly what is happening. Well said.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:23:23pm |
re: #244 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Who's Frank? Sorry, I missed the ref.
Frank Zappa --upper left--scroll wayyyy up
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:23:37pm |
re: #241 garhighway
You have a funny definition of "working".
It is what it is.
And the while Obama has no risk of a primary challenge, I'd remind everyone that many Democratic congresspeople and Senators are not in the same boat. Indeed, for most members of Congress the big threat is a primary challenge.
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Lidane Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:23:55pm |
re: #244 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Who's Frank? Sorry, I missed the ref.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:24:38pm |
re: #249 Dark_Falcon
It is what it is.
And the while Obama has no risk of a primary challenge, I'd remind everyone that many Democratic congresspeople and Senators are not in the same boat. Indeed, for most members of Congress the big threat is a primary challenge.
It's all about votes.
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makeitstop Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:25:18pm |
re: #249 Dark_Falcon
It is what it is.
And the while Obama has no risk of a primary challenge, I'd remind everyone that many Democratic congresspeople and Senators are not in the same boat. Indeed, for most members of Congress the big threat is a primary challenge.
From whom? And what would trigger these challenges, specifically?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:26:03pm |
re: #236 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I'm still going through it. But no, no new ideas as far as I can tell.
What interests me is, just how mainstreamed some of the ideas are...and the number of people who agree with them. Already, they are starting to bare their fangs. I expect a whole lot more of it, too.
I still don't get what people are so fucking afraid of.
Change?
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Lidane Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:26:12pm |
re: #242 Gus 802
It's time the GOP stopped being in denial about this. The Bush tax cuts for the upper earners has to come to an end. Wars aren't free.
Of course wars are free. Send the poor and middle class to fight them, and cut all the government programs that might benefit the poor and middle class to pay for it.
It's the Republican way.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:26:59pm |
re: #242 Gus 802
Though I am still in favor of getting into Iraq and Afghanistan for the many reasons there were, I do take issue with the way it has been handled. Armchair quarterback that I am.
But yes, wars are not free.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:27:35pm |
re: #243 HoosierHoops
The first time I ever blogged in my life was like 5 years ago.. I saw a movie called blog wars 2 about firedoglake.. I lost my blogging cherry to Jane...Haven't been there in about 4 years..But I like Jane as a person.. Our politics are different
I don't think she's a bad person, I just think she's got some opportunist tendencies, like a lot of the progressive media-ites. People took grave offense to Robert Gibbs's phrase "professional left", but I thought it was funny.
Dunno...to me, a lot of this is just showbiz. I probably shouldn't be so cynical about it, but that's my view.
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garhighway Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:27:39pm |
re: #255 Gus 802
Seriously guys... look at this chart.
Nice chart, but Obama's still black, so it's still his fault.
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makeitstop Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:28:02pm |
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sagehen Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:28:13pm |
re: #255 Gus 802
Seriously guys... look at this chart.
Are you trying to confuse me with facts? Fuck that, give me the truthiness.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:28:21pm |
re: #256 Slumbering Behemoth
Though I am still in favor of getting into Iraq and Afghanistan for the many reasons there were, I do take issue with the way it has been handled. Armchair quarterback that I am.
But yes, wars are not free.
Do the total costs of war figure in Soldier salaries? I'm tired, help me out here. Does that get chanelled back into the economy in a positive way.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:29:04pm |
re: #261 ggt
Do the total costs of war figure in Soldier salaries? I'm tired, help me out here. Does that get chanelled back into the economy in a positive way.
war = jobs is my thought process here.
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makeitstop Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:29:05pm |
re: #259 makeitstop
But...but...but... ShutupShutupShutup!!
Damn. Wingnut tags didn't work. It would have been a lot funnier.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:30:20pm |
re: #261 ggt
Do the total costs of war figure in Soldier salaries? I'm tired, help me out here. Does that get chanelled back into the economy in a positive way.
Some of it does. More defense production does mean more jobs for those who produce the armor plate, assemble the MRAPS, etc. It does compensate for the taxes, but it does have some small effect. That effect may not be noticeable, though.
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sagehen Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:30:40pm |
re: #261 ggt
Do the total costs of war figure in Soldier salaries? I'm tired, help me out here. Does that get chanelled back into the economy in a positive way.
Soldiers at war get paid only slightly more than they get paid for being on base training, waiting around in case they're needed, or marching in parades.
Most of the cost of war is the stuff we use -- fuel and replacement parts for the jets, the jeeps and tanks that get blown up and we need new ones, weapons and ammo, drones, bombs, etc.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:31:05pm |
re: #253 ggt
I still don't get what people are so fucking afraid of.
Change?
In my book: jealous, envious, and petrified of having to compete in a modern world that's no longer rigged to their automatic advantage.
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Gus Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:31:32pm |
That's from the NY Times.
How the Deficit Got This Big
By TERESA TRITCH
Published: July 23, 2011
With President Obama and Republican leaders calling for cutting the budget by trillions over the next 10 years, it is worth asking how we got here — from healthy surpluses at the end of the Clinton era, and the promise of future surpluses, to nine straight years of deficits, including the $1.3 trillion shortfall in 2010. The answer is largely the Bush-era tax cuts, war spending in Iraq and Afghanistan, and recessions.
...
The second graph shows that under Mr. Bush, tax cuts and war spending were the biggest policy drivers of the swing from projected surpluses to deficits from 2002 to 2009. Budget estimates that didn’t foresee the recessions in 2001 and in 2008 and 2009 also contributed to deficits. Mr. Obama’s policies, taken out to 2017, add to deficits, but not by nearly as much.
A few lessons can be drawn from the numbers. First, the Bush tax cuts have had a huge damaging effect. If all of them expired as scheduled at the end of 2012, future deficits would be cut by about half, to sustainable levels. Second, a healthy budget requires a healthy economy; recessions wreak havoc by reducing tax revenue. Government has to spur demand and create jobs in a deep downturn, even though doing so worsens the deficit in the short run. Third, spending cuts alone will not close the gap. The chronic revenue shortfalls from serial tax cuts are simply too deep to fill with spending cuts alone. Taxes have to go up.
...
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:32:13pm |
re: #245 Lidane
Seriously. A short-term increase is meaningless, since all that accomplishes is dragging out this debt ceiling bullshit for that much longer.
They need a deal NOW. We can't afford a default. Our credit and our standing in the world are at stake.
In addition, Obama's insistence on a deal that extends the increase into 2013 calms the bond markets down to a dull roar. The vast unwashed don't have any idea what bond markets are.
My brother, who is a partner in a bond investment company that deals with long term investors, mainly retirement funds, has an asshole right now that could not pass a bar straw.
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Lidane Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:32:43pm |
re: #258 garhighway
Nice chart, but Obama's still black, Muslim, and Kenyan so it's still his fault.
FTFY ;)
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makeitstop Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:33:24pm |
re: #257 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I don't think she's a bad person, I just think she's got some opportunist tendencies, like a lot of the progressive media-ites. People took grave offense to Robert Gibbs's phrase "professional left", but I thought it was funny.
Dunno...to me, a lot of this is just showbiz. I probably shouldn't be so cynical about it, but that's my view.
I think she never got over Obama beating Hillary Clinton. FDL was a launching pad for the PUMAS, IIRC. They were pissed, and Jane still seems to be.
And she threw in early with a-holes like Larry Johnson and his non-existant 'Whitey Tape,' because she wanted to see Obama electorally wounded. I never really trusted her - as you said, she's always had the whiff of self-promotion about her - and once she threw in with Johnson I gave up on her and her blog altogether.
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Lidane Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:34:32pm |
re: #268 austin_blue
In addition, Obama's insistence on a deal that extends the increase into 2013 calms the bond markets down to a dull roar. The vast unwashed don't have any idea what bond markets are.
My brother, who is a partner in a bond investment company that deals with long term investors, mainly retirement funds, has an asshole right now that could not pass a bar straw.
Now there's an image I won't soon forget. Hahaha.
But yeah. I just took Finance in the spring, so I have a bit of an idea of what the bond market is. I can easily see those guys with their hair on fire right now.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:34:59pm |
re: #255 Gus 802
Seriously guys... look at this chart.
Uh-huh. And just where are all the jobs those tax cuts were supposed to create?
Some stimulation of the economy through "freeing up capital". 9_9
More like direct stimulation of a few people's bottom lines, at everyone else's expense.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:36:25pm |
re: #272 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Newsflash, the government doesn't create jobs, businesses create jobs.
Support your local business!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:36:36pm |
re: #266 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
In my book: jealous, envious, and petrified of having to compete in a modern world that's no longer rigged to their automatic advantage.
But, but, such changes don't happen overnight. Most change that we fear happens anyway over a generation and people look back and say "I can't believe we used to live that way".
At least that's my take on things.
What advantage do they think they have right now? Or are they still weeping because of Lyndon Johnson and FDR?
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engineer cat Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:37:19pm |
re: #255 Gus 802
Seriously guys... look at this chart.
but it doesn't matter since freek republic commentators have discovered that bush was a liberal
i would love to think i am making a joke but i have heard that theory as a reply to your statistics more than once
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:38:56pm |
re: #273 Floral Giraffe
Newsflash, the government doesn't create jobs, businesses create jobs.
Support your local business!
I been saying that for years. But it still looks like many on the left have trouble with that idea.
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Lidane Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:39:28pm |
re: #276 Dark_Falcon
I been saying that for years. But it still looks like many on the left have trouble with that idea.
Not in Austin. Buying local is a virtue around here.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:39:38pm |
re: #239 ggt
There was a part on House with an Orange man. His usual response --"your wife is having an affair".
At this point, I assume Boehner is orange because he likes being orange. Someone must have pointed out to him by now that his tanning salon is screwing it up.
I guess a man's got a right.
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Gus Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:40:36pm |
re: #277 Gus 802
Average tax cut by income group...
It really only benefits the super rich. Some in the lower high income brackets get a nice couple of grand or four. But the 100s of thousands goes to the super rich. Nice aye?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:40:51pm |
re: #278 Lidane
Not in Austin. Buying local is a virtue around here.
Buying local BBQ is nearly a religion in Austin.
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Gus Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:41:32pm |
Here is how much the Bush tax cuts
benefit – each year – some folks
you may have heard of:Rush Limbaugh - $2,689,135
Glenn Beck - $1,512,352
Sean Hannity - $1,006,352
Bill O’Reilly - $914,352
Sarah Palin - $638,352
Newt Gingrich - $247,352
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:41:38pm |
re: #261 ggt
Do the total costs of war figure in Soldier salaries? I'm tired, help me out here. Does that get chanelled back into the economy in a positive way.
I don't know. I don't know that the costs cited in that article are accurate. But I do know that there is real talk of killing certain science programs in favor of "fiscal responsibility". I think it is a short sighted shot in the foot, as the space program has granted many non-space related benefits to our society.
I also think that fighting terrorism is important, and note that there are many non-military related applications our society has benefited from as a result of military related R&D and various war efforts.
Incidentally, this is also what frustrates me about those who try to kneecap R&D in the field of alternative energy. I believe such research will also yield secondary and tertiary benefits to our economy that we have not yet considered.
Sorry for being all over the place there, but as I said, I've been drinking.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:42:08pm |
re: #270 makeitstop
I think she never got over Obama beating Hillary Clinton. FDL was a launching pad for the PUMAS, IIRC. They were pissed, and Jane still seems to be.
And she threw in early with a-holes like Larry Johnson and his non-existant 'Whitey Tape,' because she wanted to see Obama electorally wounded. I never really trusted her - as you said, she's always had the whiff of self-promotion about her - and once she threw in with Johnson I gave up on her and her blog altogether.
Yeah that's exactly what turned FDL into one of the blogs I frequent to see what the angry crankodoodle set is doing. I was talking earlier (somewhere else) about a bunch of the "progressives" just being Democratic-voting PUMAs who are afraid to be known as "liberals".
If I had a bookmark category for them, FDL would be in with lewrockwell.com, prison planet, whatreallyhappened, some of those Gaza sites, Cynthia McKinney, et al.
Though if memory serves, it was Taylor Marsh who started that PUMA crap - I could be wrong...after a while those sites, DKos, MyDD, FDL, etc., started to all sound alike to me.
Larry Johnson, rotfl
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makeitstop Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:44:43pm |
re: #284 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Though if memory serves, it was Taylor Marsh who started that PUMA crap - I could be wrong...after a while those sites, DKos, MyDD, FDL, etc., started to all sound alike to me.
Larry Johnson, rotfl
Right you are, I forgot about Taylor Marsh. Jane used to link to her incessantly for a while there, hence my confusion.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:45:55pm |
Slumbering Behemoth has answered my question;
They are afraid of losing control.
The Brave New World, we are living in exponential times.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:46:14pm |
re: #279 SanFranciscoZionist
LOL!
Man's got a right to a bad tan, if that's what he wants!
( He obviously isn't listening to his wife!)
Orange isn't a good color on anyone!
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:46:59pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:47:26pm |
re: #274 ggt
What advantage do they think they have right now? Or are they still weeping because of Lyndon Johnson and FDR?
Pfft, a bunch of them are still weeping over having their butts handed to them in the Civil War and once again on camera by the Civil Rights movement.
Consequently, we see Republicans throwing slavery nostalgia cotillions.
Overseas, they're crying in their soup because Hitler made Europe look bad. Boohoo, if only everyone was cordoned off in their own place, then maybe my own life wouldn't SUCK so much, sniffle!
One thing that might be new with that guy is the overt use of lefty terminology like "indigenous people's rights" and being up front about playing the victim/poor-us card. I've seen a lot of that from Republicans in the past couple years, but ABB is explicit about it.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:47:56pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:48:16pm |
re: #283 Slumbering Behemoth
I don't know. I don't know that the costs cited in that article are accurate. But I do know that there is real talk of killing certain science programs in favor of "fiscal responsibility". I think it is a short sighted shot in the foot, as the space program has granted many non-space related benefits to our society.
I also think that fighting terrorism is important, and note that there are many non-military related applications our society has benefited from as a result of military related R&D and various war efforts.
Incidentally, this is also what frustrates me about those who try to kneecap R&D in the field of alternative energy. I believe such research will also yield secondary and tertiary benefits to our economy that we have not yet considered.
Sorry for being all over the place there, but as I said, I've been drinking.
I agree about the science funding. We have to keep thinking forward. I'd like to think that some philosophy & history (classical studies) funding might be a good idea. It's important to have people who can think and put things in perspective.
In my perfect world . . .
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austin_blue Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:48:32pm |
re: #272 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Uh-huh. And just where are all the jobs those tax cuts were supposed to create?
Some stimulation of the economy through "freeing up capital". 9_9
More like direct stimulation of a few people's bottom lines, at everyone else's expense.
The problem is that the stimulus was never as big as it needed to be. It was just what Obama could get passed. The Nobel Prize Winner for Economics and commentator for the New York Times has been preaching this since 2009. Krugman was right then, and he is right now about what needs to be don.
It is not, sadly, going to happen. Idiots are in control of the Congress.
And with that relatively muted fusillade, I am off to bed. Sweet dreams to all Lizards. We will see this slowly unfolding disaster continue tomorrow.
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Lidane Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:49:04pm |
re: #284 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Though if memory serves, it was Taylor Marsh who started that PUMA crap - I could be wrong...after a while those sites, DKos, MyDD, FDL, etc., started to all sound alike to me.
Taylor Marsh was huge on the PUMA bandwagon. There were a bunch of other blogs like MyDD and FDL that were all over that like white on rice.
DKos, however, wasn't one of them. Kos basically told all the PUMA assholes and racists to take a hike from his blog. I remember one blogger getting all butthurt about feeling slighted as a PUMA and she threatened a blogger strike, comparing it to the very real Hollywood writers strike that was going on at the time. People at DKos did NOT take kindly to it.
There was a massive split at DKos then, sort of like when Charles started purging the bigots here at LGF.
Larry Johnson, rotfl
I call him Agent Flowbee, since he looks like he cuts his hair with a Flowbee and he claims to have been a CIA agent, but I've never once believed him.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:49:37pm |
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engineer cat Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:50:21pm |
sleepers:
CNN/ORC Poll. July 18-20, 2011
"Do you approve or disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling his job as president?" If disapprove: "Do you disapprove because you think his policies and actions since he became president have been too liberal, or because you think his policies and actions have not been liberal enough?" Combined responses
Approve 45%
Disapprove:Too liberal 38%
Disapprove:Not liberal enough 13%
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:50:54pm |
re: #289 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Comparing the GOP to a foreign mass-murderer. Downding and STFU.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:52:30pm |
re: #288 Floral Giraffe
Don't act so shocked.
:P
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makeitstop Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:52:37pm |
re: #294 Lidane
Taylor Marsh was huge on the PUMA bandwagon. There were a bunch of other blogs like MyDD and FDL that were all over that like white on rice.
Wasn't the one guy from MyDD (I'm thinking Jerome, could be wrong) originally part of DKos? I seem to remember him starting up MyDD after he split from Kos.
All those blogs went nuts when Obama got the nomination.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:53:17pm |
re: #294 Lidane
Taylor Marsh was huge on the PUMA bandwagon. There were a bunch of other blogs like MyDD and FDL that were all over that like white on rice.
DKos, however, wasn't one of them. Kos basically told all the PUMA assholes and racists to take a hike from his blog. I remember one blogger getting all butthurt about feeling slighted as a PUMA and she threatened a blogger strike, comparing it to the very real Hollywood writers strike that was going on at the time. People at DKos did NOT take kindly to it.
There was a massive split at DKos then, sort of like when Charles started purging the bigots here at LGF.
I call him Agent Flowbee, since he looks like he cuts his hair with a Flowbee and he claims to have been a CIA agent, but I've never once believed him.
Yeah, DKos has gone through a couple of those. I remember hearing about it during the stupid 9/11 truth fad, when that was all the rage. There was a shakeout with some people I know (online) where it happened again around the end of last year, over the tendency for anti-Obama screaming.
Now there are a bunch of people hanging on whatever Hamsher and Glenn Greenwald say, even though the latter is playing footsie with a lewrockwell-lite like Gary Johnson for president. Groan.
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Gus Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:53:21pm |
re: #295 Floral Giraffe
Enjoy it!
57oF with 84 percent humidity. It's around 30-35 degree difference from this afternoon. More or less.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:53:25pm |
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makeitstop Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:54:04pm |
re: #297 Dark_Falcon
Comparing the GOP to a foreign mass-murderer. Downding and STFU.
You seem to have missed the operative word, 'overseas.'
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:54:25pm |
re: #301 Gus 802
57oF with 84 percent humidity. It's around 30-35 degree difference from this afternoon. More or less.
Loverly!
Cool is good, enjoy it while you can!
We run out, into the summer monsoon rains & act all pagan & stuff.
Heck, it's water from the sky!
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Gus Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:56:11pm |
re: #304 Floral Giraffe
Loverly!
Cool is good, enjoy it while you can!
We run out, into the summer monsoon rains & act all pagan & stuff.
Heck, it's water from the sky!
Hippie!
//
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:57:43pm |
re: #303 makeitstop
You seem to have missed the operative word, 'overseas.'
I didn't miss it. It appeared to me the OCSP was drawing a link I don't feel exists thus is highly insulting.
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Lidane Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:57:58pm |
re: #299 makeitstop
Wasn't the one guy from MyDD (I'm thinking Jerome, could be wrong) originally part of DKos? I seem to remember him starting up MyDD after he split from Kos.
All those blogs went nuts when Obama got the nomination.
Don't know about Jerome, but Armando (i.e., Big Tent Democrat) from Talk Left was a former Kos blogger until Kos got tired of his shit and kicked him off his blog.
I remember John Cole getting into a pissing match with Armando back in 2008. I even blogged about it:
[Link: www.journalfen.net...]
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:59:22pm |
re: #297 Dark_Falcon
Comparing the GOP to a foreign mass-murderer. Downding and STFU.
When Republicans quit:
- throwing Southern Evening Confederacy balls with rent-a-slaves,
- stop running candidates who campaign on the Confederate flag, "secession and nullification", and dress up as Waffen SS on the weekends
and
- quit trying to smear everyone who laughs at Sarah "Look at me I'm a feminist" Palin's hairstyle as a "sexist", and claim MLK was a Republican,
I might think about STFU.
Until then, live with it. Downding away.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 9:59:47pm |
A self-proclaimed “fool for Christ,” Bachmann and her husband own a Christian counseling center, where he currently works.(3)
Interesting site.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:00:46pm |
re: #303 makeitstop
You seem to have missed the operative word, 'overseas.'
He's just eager for reasons to be offended.
Victimhood complex.
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Gus Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:01:00pm |
Anyway, I'm not going to lose any sleep over all of this. I'm beat and have been for years. I'm also tired of government promises. While it may sound like I would cheer if they did let the Bush tax cuts for the rich expires I'll likely roll over in bed and go back to sleep. It'll help for future generations but not me. Promises, promises. More money for everyone else but me. Ho hum.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:01:06pm |
re: #297 Dark_Falcon
Comparing the GOP to a foreign mass-murderer. Downding and STFU.
Unfortunately, the GOP isn't want we want it to be.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:01:53pm |
Research and Development... R&D.
None of it is wasted, IMHO.
Take Viagra. Originally researched with the lofty goal of quickly repairing heart tissue after a heart attack. When it was shown to have a noticeable side effect...
PROFITABLE BONER PILLS!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:02:29pm |
re: #313 Slumbering Behemoth
Research and Development... R&D.
None of it is wasted, IMHO.
Take Viagra. Originally researched with the lofty goal of quickly repairing heart tissue after a heart attack. When it was shown to have a noticeable side effect...
PROFITABLE BONER PILLS!
Because the world needs more boners . . .
/
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:04:18pm |
re: #312 ggt
Unfortunately, the GOP isn't want we want it to be.
True, but that doesn't make that kind of distortion OK.
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makeitstop Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:05:58pm |
re: #307 Lidane
Don't know about Jerome, but Armando (i.e., Big Tent Democrat) from Talk Left was a former Kos blogger until Kos got tired of his shit and kicked him off his blog.
I remember John Cole getting into a pissing match with Armando back in 2008. I even blogged about it:
[Link: www.journalfen.net...]
Cole's great when he gets his rant on.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:06:33pm |
re: #306 Dark_Falcon
I didn't miss it. It appeared to me the OCSP was drawing a link I don't feel exists thus is highly insulting.
I feel it does exist, can make a case for it, and I do not care whose feelings it hurts to say so.
I find jackoffs like ABB murdering children and blowing up buildings, while under the influence of American rightwing conservatives, far more than just highly insulting, it's an atrocity.
They can eff off. You can deal with feeling insulted by a few posts of mine. You'll live.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:07:10pm |
Bachmann has lobbied hard throughout her political career for the teaching in schools of intelligent design, the belief that some aspects of existence are best attributable to a superior being. She has argued that evolution is a theory that has never been proven.(16) In the state Senate, she coauthored a bill requiring intelligent design to be part of the school curriculum, and, in 2003, she participated in a “Ten Commandments Rally” at the Minnesota state capitol, calling for the posting of the Ten Commandments at public schools and buildings.(17)
I didn't know that.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:07:14pm |
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laZardo Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:08:20pm |
re: #314 ggt
Because the world needs more boners . . .
/
Almost downdinged due to sarc tag.
/get laid not bombed
//as it were
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:08:28pm |
re: #315 Dark_Falcon
True, but that doesn't make that kind of distortion OK.
I don't know DF, I've heard some things with my own ears from people I thought I knew.
There are a lot going off the deep end of fear right now. I really fear for the Party and the election.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:08:46pm |
re: #294 Lidane
I call him Agent Flowbee, since he looks like he cuts his hair with a Flowbee and he claims to have been a CIA agent, but I've never once believed him.
rotfl!
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:09:41pm |
re: #315 Dark_Falcon
However, you can't deny that the Republicans have gone massively off the rails.
The fact that the Terrorist in Norway thought of the Tea Party (Currently Predominent strain in the party) very highly is a warning.
While Norway ended up as a sacrifice to wake Europe up about Right-Wing Bigotry (Which it is beginning to look like it did), this won't have a major impact in the US.
I personally think that by 2014, there will have been a Terrorist Attack by the Right Wing in the United States. Probably similar to either Oslo, OKC, or an attack against a Mosque.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:09:56pm |
re: #320 laZardo
Almost downdinged due to sarc tag.
/get laid not bombed
//as it were
You can have more boners if we get free birth control and mandatory comprehensive sex education in schools.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:09:59pm |
I had never heard of a Flowbee until this evening.
The things you learn on LGF.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:10:56pm |
re: #325 SanFranciscoZionist
I had never heard of a Flowbee until this evening.
The things you learn on LGF.
But WAIT, there's moooorrrreeee and IF you call RIGHT NOW you'll get two fort the price of ONE!
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:11:03pm |
re: #321 ggt
I don't know DF, I've heard some things with my own ears from people I thought I knew.
There are a lot going off the deep end of fear right now. I really fear for the Party and the election.
I just hope they have the sense to nominate someone like Romney and get over that LDS bit, 'cause the rest of their candidates bite.
I cannot believe I'm about to say this but I hope Rudy "9/11! 9/11! 9/11! 9/11!" decides to run. At least the race will be a real contest, then.
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makeitstop Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:11:37pm |
re: #325 SanFranciscoZionist
I had never heard of a Flowbee until this evening.
The things you learn on LGF.
I want to get one for my dog, the hairy little bugger.
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Gus Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:12:20pm |
Seriously. The GOP needs to dump the loons. Now! I can make a list but won't bother. It's too long.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:12:26pm |
re: #327 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I just hope they have the sense to nominate someone like Romney and get over that LDS bit, 'cause the rest of their candidates bite.
I cannot believe I'm about to say this but I hope Rudy "9/11! 9/11! 9/11! 9/11!" decides to run. At least the race will be a real contest, then.
Romney and Guliani would be the best in a general election, that's a fact.
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Mich-again Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:14:13pm |
When the anti-jihad bloggers try to defend Fjordman by claiming he never promoted violence, that's bs. Fjordman proposed ethnic cleansing of an entire continent. Its stupid to think that could happen without a whole lot of violence.
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Kragar Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:14:15pm |
re: #325 SanFranciscoZionist
I had never heard of a Flowbee until this evening.
The things you learn on LGF.
"It sucks while it cuts..."
"It certainly does suck."
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Lidane Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:14:44pm |
re: #322 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Oh, this is good. I did a Google search of "Agent Flowbee" because I couldn't remember where I heard it. The very first link that pops up is Larry Johnson's entry on Wikipedia.
LMAO!
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:15:35pm |
re: #325 SanFranciscoZionist
I had never heard of a Flowbee until this evening.
The things you learn on LGF.
If that's the greatest thing you've learned here, CONGRATULATIONS.
I got hit with the Moulian's today!
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:16:08pm |
re: #330 Dark_Falcon
Romney and Guliani would be the best in a general election, that's a fact.
Yeah but the Christian Sharists will then insist on putting some yahoo like Bachmann or Cain on the ticked as VP and f' it up for you guys, again.
The crud Cain says is only a toned-down version of what ABB thinks about Islam. GOP voters are allowing a stone cold bigot in their race, and nobody says one peep against it.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:16:13pm |
re: #314 ggt
Just an example of how research in one field can yield beneficial results in an entirely unrelated field.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:16:13pm |
Who knew?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:17:13pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:17:36pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:18:49pm |
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Mich-again Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:20:02pm |
The debt ceiling talks make it crystal clear that the GOP has zero chance of unseating President Obama. If they nominate a Tea Party candidate, they lose the middle and the election. If they don't nominate a Tea Party candidate there will be a 3rd party run. Game over.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:20:09pm |
Have to go check for parking tickets...bbiab
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:21:29pm |
re: #334 Floral Giraffe
If that's the greatest thing you've learned here, CONGRATULATIONS.
I got hit with the Moulian's today!
What...are...those? (Nervous here.)
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Kragar Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:21:56pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:22:08pm |
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Mocking Jay Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:24:33pm |
re: #345 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, I did. I thought everyone did.
And I thought everyone knew Bill Richardson was Hispanic, but I've been proven wrong on that one time and time again...
For the record, I did not know Reid is a Mormon.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:24:45pm |
re: #345 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, I did. I thought everyone did.
It's only an issue if it is a Republican Presidential Candidate?
I honestly don't usually pay attention to a person's religion. If they are in politics I have a tendency to think they don't either.
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makeitstop Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:25:26pm |
re: #343 SanFranciscoZionist
What...are...those? (Nervous here.)
I'm reading the term phonetically, and the closest I can figure is the Italian word for 'eggplant.'
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sagehen Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:25:29pm |
re: #279 SanFranciscoZionist
At this point, I assume Boehner is orange because he likes being orange. Someone must have pointed out to him by now that his tanning salon is screwing it up.
I guess a man's got a right.
It might not be a bad tanning salon -- maybe something's wrong with his spleen and the bile is backing up.
I'm sure there's a metaphor in there somewhere.
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engineer cat Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:26:11pm |
re: #341 Mich-again
The debt ceiling talks make it crystal clear that the GOP has zero chance of unseating President Obama. If they nominate a Tea Party candidate, they lose the middle and the election. If they don't nominate a Tea Party candidate there will be a 3rd party run. Game over.
romney is working on running as vaguely tea party flavored mush
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:26:21pm |
re: #349 sagehen
It might not be a bad tanning salon -- maybe something's wrong with his spleen and the bile is backing up.
I'm sure there's a metaphor in there somewhere.
Too much Vitamin C and his wife is having an affair
:0
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:28:21pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:28:27pm |
re: #346 JasonA
For the record, I did not know Reid is a Mormon.
I did not know until the last Presidential election. My response to that was the same regarding Romney... "Meh".
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sagehen Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:28:32pm |
re: #284 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Though if memory serves, it was Taylor Marsh who started that PUMA crap - I could be wrong...after a while those sites, DKos, MyDD, FDL, etc., started to all sound alike to me.
Larry Johnson, rotfl
Not DKos, they were Obamites from very early on -- some day when you're bored, dig through their archives for The Great 2008 Pie Fight. Major schism, a lot of long-time posters left to form their own Hilary communities.
| 355 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:29:06pm |
re: #353 Slumbering Behemoth
I did not know until the last Presidential election. My response to that was the same regarding Romney... "Meh".
Yes, but that's because you're sober and sane fellow.
Well, maybe not sober... ;)
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:30:14pm |
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makeitstop Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:32:22pm |
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Mich-again Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:32:50pm |
re: #350 engineer dog
For a GOP candidate to get the nomination he/she will have to embrace the crazy to the point they turn off the middle. i don't see them getting enthused at all for Mitt.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:33:25pm |
re: #347 ggt
It's only an issue if it is a Republican Presidential Candidate?
By and large, yes, because the evangelical voting base is a Republican block, and they're the ones who primarily care about people being Mormons. Hence, other Republican candidates will try to leverage it to get an advantage. (Hi, Huckabee.)
Outside that specific field--or, I guess any race where a candidate's LDS background could be used to pry voters off them--no one really cares.
| 361 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:33:31pm |
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Lidane Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:33:50pm |
re: #350 engineer dog
romney is working on running as vaguely tea party flavored mush
And few, if any, of the teabaggers are biting. They don't trust Romney and don't like him. Also, there's this:
Romney Avoids Taking A Position On Boehner Plan With Same Weasel Words He Used For Ryan Plan
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:35:20pm |
re: #355 Dark_Falcon
Neither seem to use their faith as an aegis for imposing their sense of "Divine Will" upon the American people. I can respect that.
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makeitstop Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:39:42pm |
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engineer cat Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:40:52pm |
re: #362 Lidane
And few, if any, of the teabaggers are biting. They don't trust Romney and don't like him. Also, there's this:
Romney Avoids Taking A Position On Boehner Plan With Same Weasel Words He Used For Ryan Plan
mitt is too mushy to bite
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:40:56pm |
re: #350 engineer dog
romney is working on running as vaguely tea party flavored mush
"The nourishment is palatable."
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:42:30pm |
Well, I've learned something today from LGF!
Early colonial America was very much a "melting pot" of peoples, but not all of these early multiracial families were ancestral to the later Melungeons. Over the generations, most individuals of the group called Melungeon were of European and African ancestries.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:44:22pm |
Your High-Drama 80s Keyboards Clip of the Day:
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Kragar Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:46:13pm |
re: #368 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Your High-Drama 80s Keyboards Clip of the Day:
[Video]
Just for that, you get Journey:
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simoom Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:47:08pm |
Let's try some double nested blockquotes here :P.
[Link: www.outsidethebeltway.com...]
Over at RedState, Erick Erickson writes about The Absolution I Cannot GiveIn the past 48 hours I have had call after call after call from members of the United States Congress. They’ve read what I’ve written. They agree. But they feel the hour is short and the end is nigh.
So some are calling looking for alternatives. Some are calling looking for energy. Many are calling looking for absolution.
[...]
Here and now, this fight — this is the last best hope to turn back. The choice is yours. There is no absolution.
Pardon?
Members of Congress are calling Erick Erickson?!?
[...]
If members of Congress are calling a blogger and TV cable commentator for advice, let alone absolution (what, he’s a priest now, too?) then ... we are in even more trouble than I thought ...
Heh.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:47:28pm |
re: #369 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Just for that, you get Journey:
[Video]
Haha that was supposed to be tomorrow's clip.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:47:49pm |
re: #286 ggt
Slumbering Behemoth has answered my question;
They are afraid of losing control.
The Brave New World, we are living in exponential times.
Back to Slumbering Behemoth's Pages Post. If you haven't watched it, it will make your head spin. It did mine and I've been working hard to accept our the fact that our Brave New World is HERE AND NOW.
I think it is easy to see why so many people are putting their heads in the sand and screaming for the mythical days of yore.
It's just damn hard to keep up. It's as if we need social services to step in and provide programs for those who can't accept this much change. Meds are needed--something.
I'm serious--it's a problem that is only going to get worse.
| 373 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:50:42pm |
re: #369 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Just for that, you get Journey:
[Video]
The only Journey song I ever really liked:
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:51:04pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:59:36pm |
re: #372 ggt
Back to Slumbering Behemoth's Pages Post. If you haven't watched it, it will make your head spin. It did mine and I've been working hard to accept our the fact that our Brave New World is HERE AND NOW.
I think it is easy to see why so many people are putting their heads in the sand and screaming for the mythical days of yore.
It's just damn hard to keep up. It's as if we need social services to step in and provide programs for those who can't accept this much change. Meds are needed--something.
I'm serious--it's a problem that is only going to get worse.
I saw that clip when it came out. It's in line with what I was saying about these people's inability to compete in a modern world that doesn't automatically grant them special rights based on skin color, religion or ancestry (and this includes the jihadist and Salafist jerks trying to force the world back into some time in the 8th Century.)
The whites here and Europe who feel that way feel humiliated because we won't let them kick us around anymore. It's butthurt on a grand scale, but they too have been at it for generations. So I agree with you, we are going to be seeing a lot more of it until the communities they come from get their act together and quit nurturing their wounded sense of displaced authority.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 26, 2011 10:59:46pm |
re: #372 ggt
Damn. GGT is now my pimp?
/kidding
I don't know if any of those statistics are accurate, but with the anti-science sentiment coming from both the right and the left in America, some of them are not hard to believe.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 11:07:51pm |
re: #375 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I saw that clip when it came out. It's in line with what I was saying about these people's inability to compete in a modern world that doesn't automatically grant them special rights based on skin color, religion or ancestry (and this includes the jihadist and Salafist jerks trying to force the world back into some time in the 8th Century.)
The whites here and Europe who feel that way feel humiliated because we won't let them kick us around anymore. It's butthurt on a grand scale, but they too have been at it for generations. So I agree with you, we are going to be seeing a lot more of it until the communities they come from get their act together and quit nurturing their wounded sense of displaced authority.
Is their "wounded sense of displaced authority" just the most logical thing they can think of to explain why they are so scared of the current state of things. I don't think we can wait until they "get their act together". Even the most enlightened conservatives move slowly. Somehow we need to get it into their heads that the mythical days of yore are just that and regardless of color or culture, the world is going to keep on changing and changing fast.
Maybe we are going to see more "amish or LDS" type enclaves?
I don't know, but we aren't giving up our 2nd amendment rights, so we'd better find a way and find a way fast.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 26, 2011 11:10:11pm |
re: #378 ggt
Maybe we are going to see more "amish or LDS" type enclaves?
I doubt it. Most of the truly whiny would never actually work that hard.
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Lidane Tue, Jul 26, 2011 11:13:45pm |
re: #372 ggt
Back to Slumbering Behemoth's Pages Post. If you haven't watched it, it will make your head spin. It did mine and I've been working hard to accept our the fact that our Brave New World is HERE AND NOW.
That's not even the most recent version of the video. The one SB posted is Did You Know? 3.0.
This is version 4.0, which I saw when I started grad school and it was even outdated by then:
| 381 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 11:14:17pm |
re: #380 Lidane
That's not even the most recent version of the video. The one SB posted is Did You Know? 3.0.
This is version 4.0, which I saw when I started grad school and it was even outdated by then:
[Video]
I thought it was 5.0 that he posted .no?
| 382 |
Lidane Tue, Jul 26, 2011 11:15:00pm |
re: #381 ggt
I thought it was 5.0 that he posted .no?
It looks like 3.0. The 5.0 one I found seemed like a parody.
| 383 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 11:15:20pm |
re: #379 SanFranciscoZionist
I doubt it. Most of the truly whiny would never actually work that hard.
I'm still shivering over marjoriemoms (? I think) post about the skeletons in the well. Scapegoats for fear. . . .
| 384 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 11:23:29pm |
re: #382 Lidane
It looks like 3.0. The 5.0 one I found seemed like a parody.
The one on Youtube with Jessica Simpson? That isn't what SB posted. I can't find a link for that one.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 11:25:51pm |
re: #378 ggt
Is their "wounded sense of displaced authority" just the most logical thing they can think of to explain why they are so scared of the current state of things. I don't think we can wait until they "get their act together". Even the most enlightened conservatives move slowly. Somehow we need to get it into their heads that the mythical days of yore are just that and regardless of color or culture, the world is going to keep on changing and changing fast.
Maybe we are going to see more "amish or LDS" type enclaves?
I don't know, but we aren't giving up our 2nd amendment rights, so we'd better find a way and find a way fast.
Our communities have been putting up with these race-butthurts for generations, including with 2nd amendment rights.
Two 60s examples:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: www.pbs.org...]
So we know exactly what these types of people are capable of. And ftmp, we scare them, all their legendary resentments, bombs, guns, hemp ropes, burnt crosses, and threats of mob rule, don't scare us.
| 386 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 26, 2011 11:27:39pm |
re: #372 ggt
And if some of those statistics are indeed true... China soon to be the largest "English Speaking" nation on Earth... India's "Honor Student" children population exceeding America's entire population of children, what then?
Do we get our collective shit together, and get serious about maintaining and improving our (now flagging IMO) status as world leaders in industry and science? Or do we bend to the Luddites, both political and religious, who deem it is better to spend money on this or pray to that?
Or, do we take that downward spiral path of assuming that "we" must out-breed "them"?
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Lidane Tue, Jul 26, 2011 11:29:01pm |
re: #384 ggt
The one on Youtube with Jessica Simpson? That isn't what SB posted. I can't find a link for that one.
Hmm. I'm not sure. I know the one I saw in grad school was already outdated by the time we saw it.
Eh. It doesn't matter. The basic point still stands that the world is changing at an exponential rate and some folks simply can't handle it. They're in full freakout mode. That much is still true no matter which video is the most current one.
| 388 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 26, 2011 11:29:43pm |
re: #383 ggt
I'm still shivering over marjoriemoms (? I think) post about the skeletons in the well. Scapegoats for fear. . . .
Alouette posted that, I believe.
| 389 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 26, 2011 11:32:04pm |
re: #386 Slumbering Behemoth
And if some of those statistics are indeed true... China soon to be the largest "English Speaking" nation on Earth... India's "Honor Student" children population exceeding America's entire population of children, what then?
Do we get our collective shit together, and get serious about maintaining and improving our (now flagging IMO) status as world leaders in industry and science? Or do we bend to the Luddites, both political and religious, who deem it is better to spend money on this or pray to that?
Or, do we take that downward spiral path of assuming that "we" must out-breed "them"?
That is the issue, in a lot of ways. Do we insist that we have every right to be Number One, because we just DO, or do we actually work to keep our edge?
| 390 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 11:34:30pm |
re: #385 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Our communities have been putting up with these race-butthurts for generations, including with 2nd amendment rights.
Two 60s examples:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: www.pbs.org...]
So we know exactly what these types of people are capable of. And ftmp, we scare them, all their legendary resentments, bombs, guns, hemp ropes, burnt crosses, and threats of mob rule, don't scare us.
I'm not talking race wars. I'm talking (localized) civil war.
People have looked for scapegoats for their sense of inadequacy since the beginning of people. The same categories of people always find themselves at the receiving end.
Only now the inadequacy isn't the Plague, or Power, it's Globalization, Communication, really fast paced change that people of all labels are going to find difficult to handle.
| 391 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 26, 2011 11:35:00pm |
re: #389 SanFranciscoZionist
I vote for the work.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jul 26, 2011 11:38:08pm |
re: #387 Lidane
The basic point still stands that the world is changing at an exponential rate and some folks simply can't handle it. They're in full freakout mode. That much is still true no matter which video is the most current one.
Not changing fast enough for me. I want my nanite augs, and I want them yesterday.
| 393 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 11:39:00pm |
re: #386 Slumbering Behemoth
And if some of those statistics are indeed true... China soon to be the largest "English Speaking" nation on Earth... India's "Honor Student" children population exceeding America's entire population of children, what then?
Do we get our collective shit together, and get serious about maintaining and improving our (now flagging IMO) status as world leaders in industry and science? Or do we bend to the Luddites, both political and religious, who deem it is better to spend money on this or pray to that?
Or, do we take that downward spiral path of assuming that "we" must out-breed "them"?
Too late for the latter.
Leaving aside the English-speaking nation and honor student stats...2 countries with a combined population of 3 billion people -- if even 1% is middle class consumers, compared to our own flagging middle class in a country of 350 million = [cash register sound clip]
| 394 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 11:39:19pm |
re: #389 SanFranciscoZionist
That is the issue, in a lot of ways. Do we insist that we have every right to be Number One, because we just DO, or do we actually work to keep our edge?
I think we accept that competition is good and realize that everyone is following in our footsteps. Sometimes they will outdo us, sometimes they won't. Sometimes they'll create something new all by themselves.
We should welcome the challenge, IMHO. Raise our children to live in an international world.
| 395 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 11:40:42pm |
re: #393 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Too late for the latter.
Leaving aside the English-speaking nation and honor student stats...2 countries with a combined population of 3 billion people -- if even 1% is middle class consumers, compared to our own flagging middle class in a country of 350 million = [cash register sound clip]
EXACTLY!
Our kids are going to get jobs overseas after college, not just out-of-state. Reality is coming at us FAST.
| 396 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 11:41:43pm |
re: #390 ggt
I'm not talking race wars. I'm talking (localized) civil war.
People have looked for scapegoats for their sense of inadequacy since the beginning of people. The same categories of people always find themselves at the receiving end.
Only now the inadequacy isn't the Plague, or Power, it's Globalization, Communication, really fast paced change that people of all labels are going to find difficult to handle.
I'm not talking about race wars, either. I'm talking about communities that have developed strategies to deal with this reactionary, fear-based, resentment-driven mentality for years, yet still thrive.
| 397 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 11:43:16pm |
re: #396 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I'm not talking about race wars, either. I'm talking about communities that have developed strategies to deal with this reactionary, fear-based, resentment-driven mentality for years, yet still thrive.
ah! Yes, you are correct in that I think.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 26, 2011 11:44:32pm |
re: #396 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I'm not talking about race wars, either. I'm talking about communities that have developed strategies to deal with this reactionary, fear-based, resentment-driven mentality for years, yet still thrive.
Oh well, we have a perfect match, actually.
"How to teach Change" --we only have to look at our own history. It will, of course, have to be packaged in a lilly white box tho to get it to sell to the target audience. Groan.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 11:55:53pm |
re: #398 ggt
Oh well, we have a perfect match, actually.
"How to teach Change" --we only have to look at our own history. It will, of course, have to be packaged in a lilly white box tho to get it to sell to the target audience. Groan.
Dunno...from my pov, I'm not going to beg people to learn things that are designed to help them cope. The video you're talking about is a good example, it didn't sugar-coat anything. Life isn't sugar-coated, so if it hurts someone's sensibilities to hear a few harsh facts, we can expect the problem to never, ever be solved.
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po8crg Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:05:44pm |
re: #28 jamesfirecat
The real Aryan Superman as I understand the proper origin of the term.
Not really. More like this
Aryan and Iranian are cognates (the same word in different languages).
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po8crg Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:30:54pm |
re: #174 Lidane
They believe that bullshit that the Doughy Pantload started spreading about Nazis being liberals, so a liberal summer camp = a training ground for the next Hitler Youth.
This, of course, wasn't a liberal summer camp. It was a socialist summer camp. The Liberal party is Venstre; this was the Arbeiderparti.
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They Were Desperate to Get Pregnant. Then IVF Gave Them Extra Embryos. One morning last spring, Ashley Harrolle put her 1-year-old daughter down for a nap and went to the kitchen. She pulled up her fertility clinic’s contact information. It was time to make the call. In a freezer several hundred ... Cheechako
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Views: 246 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 1- Pictures From Today’s Exhibition of Paintings Done by Jane LilienthalPROPS TO MICHELE AND SAGEHEN FOR CATCHING THE SPELLING ERROR IN THE TITLE THAT MY DIABETIC EYES COULDN'T CATCH I wanted to share pictures of the art show I visited today. The portraits were created by the mother of my ...Joe Bacon ✅
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March FavoritesYou've seen these all already but looking back, just because. These are my favorite shots of this last month. That 1937 Zeiss Sonnar is such a gloriously wonderful bit of glass. Thanks for looking.
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Russia’s New Combat Robots Blown Up by Drones Near Avdiivka When we landed on the moon, I thought about how science fiction had become real. Now, the robot wars have begun. It's more poignant somehow on the ground than in the missile wars we have in the air as ...
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Why Did More Than 1,000 People Die After Police Subdued Them With Force That Isn’t Meant to Kill? An investigation led by The Associated Press has found that, over a decade, more than 1,000 people died after police subdued them through physical holds, stun guns, body blows and other force not intended to be lethal. More: Why ... Cheechako
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Views: 505 • Comments: 1 • Rating: 5- A Closer Look at the Eastman State Bar DecisionTaking a few minutes away from work things to read through the Eastman decision. As I'm sure many of you know, Eastman was my law school con law professor. I knew him pretty well because I was also running in ...KGxvi
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Abortions Outside Medical System Increased Sharply After Roe Fell, Study Finds The number of women using abortion pills to end their pregnancies on their own without the direct involvement of a U.S.-based medical provider rose sharply in the months after the Supreme Court eliminated a constitutional right to abortion, according ... Cheechako
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Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
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