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In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.
— Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Martinsmithy Tue, Jul 26, 2011 11:32:24pm |
Charles, I for one am glad that in 2007 you turned away from the path of the “anti-Jihad” activists that served as the lodestars for Breivik. It’s one thing to be on guard against Jihad and its proponents; it’s quite another to become their doppelgangers, as Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer, and others have become.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jul 26, 2011 11:44:43pm |
In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.— Martin Luther King, Jr.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jul 26, 2011 11:45:47pm |
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Alexzander Wed, Jul 27, 2011 12:10:48am |
Apart from bigots and backlashers, it seems to be a malady even among those whites who like to regard themselves as “enlightened.” I would especially refer to those who counsel “Wait!” and to those who say that they sympathize with our goals but cannot condone our methods or direction action in pursuit of those goals. I Wonder at men who dare to feel that they have some paternalistic right to set the timetable for another man’s liberation.Over the past several years, I must say, I have been gravely disappointed with such white “moderates.” I am often inclined to think that they are more a stumbling block to the Negro’s progress than the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner. - MLK jr
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 27, 2011 12:28:53am |
re: #1 Martinsmithy
That was about the time that I joined LGF.
Wait, did I cause Charles to snap?
Does that make me indirectly responsible for Brevik snapping? God, what have I done?!?
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boxhead Wed, Jul 27, 2011 12:50:20am |
Great quote Charles… But, it is a sad quote as well. Watching those that a person holds as a friend suddenly lose their voice when needed is gut wrenching. Hearing a foe act as a foe should be no surprise. And the real kicker is that just because a “friend” does not have your back does not necessarily mean they are not true friends. Facing a very difficult choice is exactly that, difficult. We are complex, thus we must have patience.
but it can be hard….
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 27, 2011 1:06:21am |
re: #8 boxhead
“I’d rather have two German divisions in front of me than one French division behind me”
-George Patton
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boxhead Wed, Jul 27, 2011 1:08:07am |
re: #9 ralphieboy
“I’d rather have two German divisions in front of me than one French division behind me”
-George Patton
lol….. unless the French are all cooks, then maybe, just maybe, we all can just eat and be merry… :)
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boxhead Wed, Jul 27, 2011 1:09:22am |
re: #10 boxhead
lol… unless the French are all cooks, then maybe, just maybe, we all can just eat and be merry… :)
I watch too many food based Travel Channel shows…. mmmmm, fooood
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EdDantes Wed, Jul 27, 2011 1:19:58am |
re: #9 ralphieboy
I’d rather have a free bottle in front of me than a prefrontal lobomy-
Anonymous
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 27, 2011 1:21:55am |
You can pick your friends and you can pick your nose but you can’t wipe your friends off on the back of the sofa…
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dell*nix Wed, Jul 27, 2011 1:45:27am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Jul 27, 2011 2:00:13am |
Good afternoon, comrades.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 2:13:05am |
Morning to the morning honcos. Afternoon to the other honcos.
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EdDantes Wed, Jul 27, 2011 2:22:29am |
I wish Boehner would just sign off on the Harry Reid plan and be done with it,
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 27, 2011 2:27:02am |
I hope that the strategs is to settle at the last minute and then say “look how close Obama’s obstinacy has brought us to collapse!”
But thigs like this can always go astray…
I am reminded of an old Russian joke about the Civil War hero Chapayev, who was parachuting with his sidekick, Petka:
“Shouldn’t you pull the ripcord, Comrade Chapayev?” he asks
“Not yet,” answers Chapayev
“But we are down to 1,000 feet!”
“Too early”
“Now we are at 500 feet!”
“Still too early.”
“Now we are at 100 feet!”
“No hurry.”
“Comrade Chapayev, we are at 50 feet!”
“Hah! From this height, who needs a parachute!”
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RogueOne Wed, Jul 27, 2011 2:42:35am |
Where’s a predator drone when you need one?
Lockerbie bomber seen on TV rally
bbc.co.uk
The man convicted of blowing up a plane over the Scottish town of Lockerbie in 1988 has appeared at a rally broadcast by Libyan state television.Abdelbaset al-Megrahi was released from prison in Scotland almost two years ago on health grounds.
Introducing him at a televised rally of members of Megrahi’s tribe, the presenter said his conviction was the result of a conspiracy.
He said his release had been a victory against oppression.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Jul 27, 2011 2:42:36am |
Psoy Korolenko, Oyfn Pripechek
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 2:47:31am |
re: #21 RogueOne
I was actually just reading that. The people who released him should be ashamed.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 2:47:46am |
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EdDantes Wed, Jul 27, 2011 2:51:31am |
re: #25 Cannadian Club Akbar
He needs to be.
Ironically, I am reading a book called “How the Scots invented the Modern World.”
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 2:51:42am |
Putting a murderers wishes above the lives of his victims.
*spit*
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 27, 2011 2:52:42am |
re: #26 EdDantes
Ironically, I am reading a book called “How the Scots invented the Modern World.”
Brilliant book, especially the part on how they came to form the root stock of American redneck culture.
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RogueOne Wed, Jul 27, 2011 2:53:33am |
re: #28 ralphieboy
Brilliant book, especially the part on how they came to form the root stock of American redneck culture.
NASCAR is the scots fault…figures
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RogueOne Wed, Jul 27, 2011 2:56:59am |
re: #26 EdDantes
Ironically, I am reading a book called “How the Scots invented the Modern World.”
They’re still doing good work:
New optical fiber helps spot fake whisky faster
rdmag.com
Methods for distinguishing between authentic and counterfeit Scotch whisky brands have been devised by scientists at the University of Strathclyde in Glasgow, Scotland.Researchers from the Department of Pure and Applied Chemistry have found new ways to compare the content of whisky samples to determine if they are the whisky on the label or an imitation brand.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:01:03am |
What’s the best way to get a drink out of a Scotman?
-Put your finger down his throat!
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RogueOne Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:01:04am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:02:27am |
Judging by whatever wiki has, the case against Megrahi is not quite open-and-shut. He himself never confessed, and some key witnesses on whom the Scottish judges relied confessed to lying to the court or were alleged to have been paid off/dodgy. Moreover, his alleged partner in the plot was found not guilty, despite the many years of gathering of evidence. Megrahi was appealing at the time of his release, so there may have been fear that the appeal would be successful.
He may as well have been the plotter, but that’s why I’m against death penalty. There are doubts.
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EdDantes Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:04:14am |
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:07:08am |
A Scotsman in Fort William explains the weather:
“If ye can see the summit of Ben Nevis, it means it’s aboot to rain. If ye cannae see the summit, it means it’s rainin’ already!”
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:07:38am |
re: #35 Sergey Romanov
I know they don’t have a DP there and that’s fine. But they should have kept him behind bars until the appeals process played out.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:08:32am |
re: #39 Cannadian Club Akbar
It reminds us that just because a case is highly publicized, it does not mean that we know more about what is really happening…
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:09:36am |
re: #39 Cannadian Club Akbar
Absolutely. But my point is, maybe after seeing new evidence they didn’t want an embarrassment of releasing him after a succesful appeal. Just a hypothesis, but I don’t think it’s quite crazy. Another version I see floating around is that BP deals were the reason.
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RogueOne Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:10:18am |
There was a rash of stories lately about women setting up men. Equal time:
A Revenge Plot So Intricate, the Prosecutors Were Pawns
Soon after Seemona Sumasar started dating Jerry Ramrattan, she had an inkling that something might be wrong.
…..
About a year after he moved into her house in Queens, their relationship soured. One day, he cornered her, taped her mouth and raped her, she said. Mr. Ramrattan was arrested.But he soon took his revenge, the authorities said. Drawing on his knowledge of police procedure, gleaned from his time as an informer for law enforcement, he accomplished what prosecutors in New York called one of the most elaborate framing plots that they had ever seen.
One night, Ms. Sumasar was pulled over by the police. Before she could speak, detectives slapped handcuffs on her. “You know you did it,” she said one later shouted at her. “Just admit it.”
Ms. Sumasar, a former Morgan Stanley analyst who was running a restaurant, said she had no idea what that meant. Yet suddenly, she was being treated like a brazen criminal. She was charged with carrying out a series of armed robberies, based on what the police said was a wealth of evidence, including credible witness statements and proof that her car was the getaway vehicle.
In her first extensive interview about her ordeal, she recalled sitting in jail, consumed by one thought: “Jerry is behind this.”
….
Mr. Ramrattan framed Ms. Sumasar because she would not drop the rape charge, prosecutors said.
…
“From the beginning I was presumed guilty — not innocent,” she said. “I felt like I never had a chance.”“I can never have faith in justice in this country again.”
The prosecutors weren’t pawns, they were idiots.
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RogueOne Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:10:44am |
re: #42 RogueOne
Ooops. forgot link:
nytimes.com
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:10:54am |
re: #41 Sergey Romanov
I’ve posted stories here (on threads, before we had pages) about the whole BP thing.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:11:13am |
re: #42 RogueOne
Yeah, that’s a wild story.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:13:16am |
BTW, I don’t mean to say that I have doubts in whatever case is deemed controversial. After researching, I’m quite sure that both OJ and Mumia did it, despite the protestations of some. I guess I’d wanna go through the evidence in the Megrahi trial to reach a conclusion for myself.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:13:16am |
Stupidity knows no boundaries/ where’s my cigarette?
latimesblogs.latimes.com
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RogueOne Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:13:46am |
re: #45 Sergey Romanov
Yeah, that’s a wild story.
She lost her kid and her restaurant. She’s suing but a monetary settlement doesn’t seem like it should be enough. The prosecutors should be held liable.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:14:43am |
re: #48 RogueOne
She even had an alibi.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:17:15am |
re: #41 Sergey Romanov
Absolutely. But my point is, maybe after seeing new evidence they didn’t want an embarrassment of releasing him after a succesful appeal. Just a hypothesis, but I don’t think it’s quite crazy. Another version I see floating around is that BP deals were the reason.
That is the most likely scenario…
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RogueOne Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:23:39am |
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researchok Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:24:10am |
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researchok Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:24:47am |
And DC later on this week or beginning of next.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:24:55am |
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researchok Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:26:14am |
And after that, Atlanta….and then no travel for a while.
Which is good because I have all kinds of ‘housekeeping’ I have to deal with.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:26:18am |
Hmmm…
Anders Breivik, the man arrested for committing the double terrorist act in Norway, visited Belarus six years ago reports the state border agency.
Breivik arrived at the national airport in Minsk on a flight from Vienna as a tourist on March 4th and left the country on March 11th 2005, according to official documents.
There were no complaints against Anders Breivik about staying on the territory of the Republic of Belarus according to the department.
Methinks that there is a massive international police investigation going on trying to trace back the guy’s every move for the last decade or so. Good.
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researchok Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:26:32am |
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:27:18am |
re: #59 000G
Just dropped by to order up a White Russian or two…
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:28:02am |
re: #59 000G
He had an international business with workers in Romania, Russia, wherever. Maybe Belarus too.
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researchok Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:28:14am |
re: #59 000G
Hmmm…
[Link: english.ruvr.ru…]
Methinks that there is a massive international police investigation going on trying to trace back the guy’s every move for the last decade or so. Good.
The more I read about this guy, the more convinced I am of his insanity.
This guy truly lived in an alternate universe.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:28:29am |
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:30:35am |
re: #63 researchok
Well, in the ‘all evil is insane’ way, sure. But that’s a rather flaccid definition of insanity.
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researchok Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:32:02am |
re: #62 Sergey Romanov
He had an international business with workers in Romania, Russia, wherever. Maybe Belarus too.
The real him was the killer. The rest was all a facade.
A friend of mine in Europe told me they didn’t want to make his court appearances public was because it would take 3 minutes for people to realize he was bat shit crazy
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researchok Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:32:23am |
re: #65 Obdicut
Well, in the ‘all evil is insane’ way, sure. But that’s a rather flaccid definition of insanity.
Why is that?
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:33:14am |
re: #62 Sergey Romanov
He had an international business with workers in Romania, Russia, wherever. Maybe Belarus too.
you mean his “agricultural firm”?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:33:37am |
re: #62 Sergey Romanov
He had an international business with workers in Romania, Russia, wherever. Maybe Belarus too.
See also: speroforum.com
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:33:59am |
re: #68 ralphieboy
No, the software one.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:36:09am |
re: #67 researchok
Why is that?
If you just classify all evil and murderous behavior— Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Kaczynski, McVeigh, Anders, the 9/11 terrorists— as ‘insane’, then it’s not really a useful definition. Moreover, I feel that it tends to gloss over the conscious choice those people made to engage in evil.
Or are you calling his ideology an insane one?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:39:56am |
Following up on the Belarus connection:
If we are unsuccessful in achieving concession from them and they continue with the indirect ongoing genocide of Europeans we will have to consider using methods which were deemed too extreme in the past.
The Chernobyl disaster broke the back of the Soviet Union. A new Chernobyl disaster in the heart of Western Europe will break the back of the EUSSR, have no doubt. Causing a new Chernobyl disaster on a multiculturalist regime would completely cripple them and might eventually lead to the collapse of the EU altogether or any targeted individual regime. However, it would potentially cause massive civilian suffering and/or hundreds of thousands or even millions of internally displaced individuals (refugees). A new Chernobyl disaster in the heart of the EU will not be as devastating (civilian suffering) as that in Ukraine/Belarus. Western European regimes will not wait a week before informing and evacuating the public so the number of individuals affected will be significantly less (estimated to less than 10 000-50 000).
It may be required to make such sacrifices in order to end this experimental multiculturalist nightmare and genocide. Sometimes, the situation requires us to be cruel and kill a limited number of civilians (indirect casualties in shock/sabotage attacks) in order to prevent much more severe long term atrocities against our peoples. In fact, from a pragmatical viewpoint, it would be inhuman not to act in a cruel manner when the alternative is much worse. Just focus on targets that can be morally justified and accept casualty numbers that are far from exceeding the alternative future atrocities.
Scum.
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researchok Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:40:05am |
re: #71 Obdicut
If you just classify all evil and murderous behavior— Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Kaczynski, McVeigh, Anders, the 9/11 terrorists— as ‘insane’, then it’s not really a useful definition. Moreover, I feel that it tends to gloss over the conscious choice those people made to engage in evil.
Or are you calling his ideology an insane one?
No, that’s not what I said.
Anyone who believes he will be regarded as a prophet in the future, see himself as savior or charged with a higher calling and then acts on that higher calling by killing, etc., or has an evident ‘Messiah Complex’ is bat shit crazy.
And that is exactly what any court appointed psychiatrist will attest.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:46:27am |
This story is just fucked.
huffingtonpost.com
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researchok Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:49:00am |
I understand there are political considerations to be had by insisting Breivik was not crazy, but in fact the bigger point can be made by noting how easy it is for nut jobs like Breivik to use right wing extremism as a delivery vehicle for their insanity.
If right wing extremism (like any extremism) can be shown to be inflexible, dogmatic, strict, inflexible and never conciliatory, the point extends beyond the actions of an unhinged lunatic.
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RogueOne Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:54:09am |
re: #74 Cannadian Club Akbar
This story is just fucked.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]
I was just reading that earlier:
gazette.com
I don’t usually broadcast the stories about rapist/molester cops because I don’t think it’s a problem due to the police culture. Every 3rd story on Injustice News is about an officer accused of something sex related. This one is almost funny in a twisted-black humor sort of way:
Sources tell ABC7 that on July 2, the victim in the shooting, a 20-year-old male, was lured over to Gillete’s residence when he was told there would be girls there to shoot a pornographic film.Once the victim arrived, he found no girls at the residence. Instead, sources say, Gillette wanted him to perform sexual acts with him. When the victim tried to flee in Gillette’s personal car, the officer opened fire, hitting him in the torso.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 27, 2011 3:58:21am |
We still think there is a linear relationship: more policemen = more police protection.
We fail to see that we can reach a point of dimishing returns. namely, one bad cop can undermine the work of dozens of good ones.
Do not underestimate the role that the LAPD’s tarnished reputation played in OJ Simpson’s acquittal.
Remember the motto of the LAPD: “We treat you like a King!”
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researchok Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:00:24am |
A thousand words and then some
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:01:15am |
re: #73 researchok
No, that’s not what I said.
Anyone who believes he will be regarded as a prophet in the future, see himself as savior or charged with a higher calling and then acts on that higher calling by killing, etc., or has an evident ‘Messiah Complex’ is bat shit crazy.
That is a very fragile assumption. The history of humanity is basically people thinking that killing is justified because of a higher calling. Calling all those people insane is rather odd. Do you think that all of the Americans who believed in manifest destiny were insane? Do you think all of the people who went on Crusades were insane? Do you think everyone who ever participated in a lynching was insane? Do think Ghenghis Khan was insane?
And that is exactly what any court appointed psychiatrist will attest.
The legal definition of insanity in the US has nothing at all to do with any of that, but whether or not the person had the capacity to distinguish between right and wrong in individual actions. Since Anders clearly understands the killing was wrong, even though he believes a larger principle justifies this, I don’t think you’re at all correct.
I also think diagnosing people as insane without ever having interviewed them isn’t a very smart idea.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:02:59am |
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RogueOne Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:04:08am |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:06:29am |
re: #81 RogueOne
A nazi priest. That’s nice.
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RogueOne Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:07:43am |
re: #78 researchok
A thousand words and then some
I think this guy ate Jenny Craig:
thefirstpost.co.uk
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RogueOne Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:08:38am |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:09:47am |
re: #83 RogueOne
protip for fat neo-nazi: SS doesn’t stand for Secret Sauce
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:10:24am |
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:10:50am |
The swastika was an ancient abbreviated form of “XL”
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:11:19am |
re: #83 RogueOne
To quote Preacher:
“Why is it the greatest champions of the white race always turn out to be the worst examples of it? YOU! Where the fuck is your CHIN?”
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:11:45am |
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:12:00am |
“Blond like Hitler, slim like Goering and tall like Goebbels”
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researchok Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:12:34am |
re: #79 Obdicut
That is a very fragile assumption. The history of humanity is basically people thinking that killing is justified because of a higher calling. Calling all those people insane is rather odd. Do you think that all of the Americans who believed in manifest destiny were insane? Do you think all of the people who went on Crusades were insane? Do you think everyone who ever participated in a lynching was insane? Do think Ghenghis Khan was insane?
The legal definition of insanity in the US has nothing at all to do with any of that, but whether or not the person had the capacity to distinguish between right and wrong in individual actions. Since Anders clearly understands the killing was wrong, even though he believes a larger principle justifies this, I don’t think you’re at all correct.
I also think diagnosing people as insane without ever having interviewed them isn’t a very smart idea.
I certainly wasn’t diagnosing anyone. As I have made clear on numerous occasions, you cannot diagnose from a distance.
My remarks are predicated on observations.
is true history is replete with wars, killing,etc. That is a big part of the the human condition- conflict.
That however is very different from a guy who gets up one morning, plans to to kill innocents because he believes himself to be a prophet, Messiah/Savior figure who believes down the road he will be regarded as a hero.
Most people can distinguish between real conflict and a lunatic who kills because he believes himself to be a Savior.
Had his target been the object of his obsession, i.e., Muslims, a better case could have been made for a ‘break from reality’ event of an other wise disturbed but sane individual.
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researchok Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:13:15am |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:13:17am |
re: #90 ralphieboy
“Blond like Hitler, slim like Goering and tall like Goebbels”
Looks like he goebbels a Wendy’s triple every fortnight
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researchok Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:13:51am |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:15:28am |
re: #94 researchok
Only every fortnight?
gotta make the rounds, double-double from in-n-out, then next day the wendy’s triple, then there’s thursday, which is always go-gurt day
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researchok Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:16:09am |
re: #95 WindUpBird
gotta make the rounds, double-double from in-n-out, then next day the wendy’s triple, then there’s thursday, which is always go-gurt day
Clarity.
Thank you
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:16:43am |
re: #79 Obdicut
Helluva point. There is, however, something in my mind that just can’t accept that there is a sane explanation for mass murder.
So; this may not be accurate, but it helps me to feel better.
“Yes, Obdi. Ghengis Khan was bat-shit crazy. Nuts. Over the cuckoo’s nest. Loony. Cheese done slid off his cracker.”
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:16:58am |
re: #91 researchok
“Insane” in the sense of “incomprehensible to normal persons”.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:17:02am |
The fat neo nazi should sue someone for making him fat.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:17:55am |
re: #91 researchok
I certainly wasn’t diagnosing anyone. As I have made clear on numerous occasions, you cannot diagnose from a distance.
You are making definite assertions about what the diagnosis will be.
My remarks are predicated on observations.
That however is very different from a guy who gets up one morning, plans to to kill innocents because he believes himself to be a prophet, Messiah/Savior figure who believes down the road he will be regarded as a hero.
How? How is it different for a US Cavalry officer who burns a Navaho village to the ground, killing women and children, because he believes in manifest destiny?
How is it different from burning Jews at the stake because it’s god’s will?
Most people can distinguish between real conflict and a lunatic who kills because he believes himself to be a Savior.
‘real conflict’? What are you talking about?
Had his target been the object of his obsession, i.e., Muslims, a better case could have been made for a ‘break from reality’ event of an other wise disturbed but sane individual.
I’m not sure if you just haven’t read much about the story or what, but the reason he killed the liberal Norwegian children is because he believed that liberals were the most culpable in the deterioration of society. He considered them traitors. They were, in fact, the object of his obsession. Did you not know that?
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:18:54am |
re: #97 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ghengis Khan was bat-shit crazy. Nuts. Over the cuckoo’s nest. Loony. Cheese done slid off his cracker.”
mare’s-milk whey curds done slipped of his bulghur wheat cake
clarity
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:20:31am |
re: #90 ralphieboy
“Blond like Hitler, slim like Goering and tall like Goebbels”
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:20:47am |
re: #97 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Helluva point. There is, however, something in my mind that just can’t accept that there is a sane explanation for mass murder.
So; this may not be accurate, but it helps me to feel better.
“Yes, Obdi. Ghengis Khan was bat-shit crazy. Nuts. Over the cuckoo’s nest. Loony. Cheese done slid off his cracker.”
The problem with that kind of logic to me is that you can stretch it real far. I can’t accept there’s a sane reason for, say, believing Obama was born in Kenya, or doing a drive-by shooting because someone ‘dissed’ you, or that people who are part of other races are inferior, or that raping a woman is ever okay. Eventually, to me, that goes down the road to all evil actions are ‘insane’.
I think we humans are capable of wonderful, amazing things, things that go beyond what you could ever expect a creature like us to achieve.
I also think we’re capable of incredibly terrible things, and that we can do those things without being insane, but because we’ve convinced ourselves of terrible, foul ideologies, and put our will in service of them.
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RogueOne Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:23:39am |
Full day today. Early meeting, gotta run. Enjoy the day people! Stay out of the way of fat Nazis
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:24:34am |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:25:48am |
re: #71 Obdicut
I feel that it tends to gloss over the conscious choice those people made to engage in evil.
qft
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researchok Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:25:49am |
re: #100 Obdicut
You are making definite assertions about what the diagnosis will be.
My remarks are predicated on observations.
How? How is it different for a US Cavalry officer who burns a Navaho village to the ground, killing women and children, because he believes in manifest destiny?
How is it different from burning Jews at the stake because it’s god’s will?
‘real conflict’? What are you talking about?
I’m not sure if you just haven’t read much about the story or what, but the reason he killed the liberal Norwegian children is because he believed that liberals were the most culpable in the deterioration of society. He considered them traitors. They were, in fact, the object of his obsession. Did you not know that?
No,I am stating an opinion. An educated opinion.
There are wars fought for land, water resources, even for religious reasons. One group of people with specific ideas versus another group of people/tribe etc.
Now, let me reiterate. There is a difference between real and organized conflict (justified or not) versus the actions of an individual who targets and kills innocents who are not even the objects of obsession..
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:26:27am |
re: #97 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Helluva point. There is, however, something in my mind that just can’t accept that there is a sane explanation for mass murder.
So; this may not be accurate, but it helps me to feel better.
“Yes, Obdi. Ghengis Khan was bat-shit crazy. Nuts. Over the cuckoo’s nest. Loony. Cheese done slid off his cracker.”
Elevator don’t go all the way to the top.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:26:32am |
re: #105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You missed my point.
It helps me feel better.
So, SHUT UP!
Ah, okay.
Have you read So Long and Thanks For All The Fish?
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kirkspencer Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:28:26am |
Weird discussion, reminds me of last night’s sequence from OhCrap[etc]. In simple, it’s a discussion on semantics between two people who are right in their community, and in who’s respective community the other person is wrong.
The Venn diagrams for common, legal, and medical definitions of “insane” do not fully overlap.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:28:26am |
re: #109 Obdicut
I read all four books of the Trilogy.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:28:34am |
re: #107 researchok
There are wars fought for land, water resources, even for religious reasons. One group of people with specific ideas versus another group of people/tribe etc.
Okay. So how is burning Jews at the stake because you believe you’re on a mission from god not insane, but killing liberals because you’re obsessed with what you see as their role in destruction of your society— an obsession that’s shared by many, many people— is insane?
Now, let me reiterate. There is a difference between real and organized conflict (justified or not) versus the actions of an individual who targets and kills innocents who are not even the objects of obsession..
Can you please explain why you keep saying that the liberals were not the objects of his obsession? They were. Why are you denying that?
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:28:56am |
re: #111 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I read all four books of the Trilogy.
You remind me of the guy that built the asylum.
That’s a compliment, of course.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:30:02am |
re: #110 kirkspencer
Weird discussion, reminds me of last night’s sequence from OhCrap[etc]. In simple, it’s a discussion on semantics between two people who are right in their community, and in who’s respective community the other person is wrong.
The Venn diagrams for common, legal, and medical definitions of “insane” do not fully overlap.
Oh dear. Now what’d I do.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:33:02am |
re: #110 kirkspencer
Yeah. “You so crazy!”— can be said about anybody acting crazy.
“He has a psychopathology”— takes an actual diagnosis by a trained professional. Furthermore, ‘insanity’ in that regards could be something as simply as OCD.
“He is legally insane”— the person is actually incapable of understanding the difference between right and wrong when it comes to individual actions, or doesn’t understand the actual outcome. I.e., if someone didn’t think that shoving a knife into someone’s chest actually killed them.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:35:35am |
re: #113 Obdicut
The asylum is built inside-out…
“Here,” said Wonko the Sane, “we are outside the Asylum.” He pointed again at the rough brickwork, the pointing, and the gutters. “Go through that door” — he pointed at the first door through which they had originally entered — “and you go into the Asylum. I’ve tried to decorate it nicely to keep the inmates happy, but there’s very little one can do. I never go in there myself. If I ever am tempted, which these days I rarely am, I simply look at the sign written over the door and I shy away.”
Yep.
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researchok Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:35:59am |
re: #112 Obdicut
Okay. So how is burning Jews at the stake because you believe you’re on a mission from god not insane, but killing liberals because you’re obsessed with what you see as their role in destruction of your society— an obsession that’s shared by many, many people— is insane?
Can you please explain why you keep saying that the liberals were not the objects of his obsession? They were. Why are you denying that?
There is a difference.
A guy who hate3s Jews who burns Jews at the stake is very different from a guy who hated Jews and burns Bolivians at the stake.
Now let me understand this- despite his well known views about Islam in Europe and his 1500 page mqanifesto against Muslims in general, are you saying he was really obsessing over liberal?
And why do continue to put words in my mouth? Why do you misrepresent what I said?
.
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kirkspencer Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:36:27am |
re: #112 Obdicut
[snip] Can you please explain why you keep saying that the liberals were not the objects of his obsession? They were. Why are you denying that?
This I’m going to support, having read that dreck completely more than once.
The authors of the piece have two sets of enemies. The long-term enemy is Islam. The immediate enemy is what they perceive as the allies of Islam already within their borders. In this two-front war, the fight against Islam is primarily a defensive, “hold at the borders” fight for now. That’s because the attack must be against the internal enemy, which consists of the multiculturists, the liberals, the feminists, and the non-Christians.
Brievik makes this priority clear in his writing within the anthology, the ‘interview with a Knight Commander’ section.
The attack on the children wasn’t an attack on children. It was an attack on a logistic center (training ground) of the MC/L/F/NC enemy.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:37:53am |
re: #117 researchok
A guy who hate3s Jews who burns Jews at the stake is very different from a guy who hated Jews and burns Bolivians at the stake.
Not if they’re Bolivians that he accuses of letting Jews take over Bolivia.
Now let me understand this- despite his well known views about Islam in Europe and his 1500 page mqanifesto against Muslims in general, are you saying he was really obsessing over liberal?
Do you really not know that in that manifesto, there is page after page, rant after rant, about how liberals— or as he calls them, Marxists— are dooming Europe, how they’re traitors, culpable in allowing Muslims to invade, etc? Do you actually not know that?
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kirkspencer Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:39:13am |
re: #114 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Oh dear. Now what’d I do.
It was your battle on “fundamentalism”. You were right in that Brievik isn’t really a fundamentalist by just about everyone’s measure, but by the end you were, well, your venn circle was excluding a lot of people considered fundamentalist by the general public.
It wasn’t a battle I was going to enter — too much blood in the water already. (grin)
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:39:59am |
re: #112 Obdicut
Okay. So how is burning Jews at the stake because you believe you’re on a mission from god not insane, but killing liberals because you’re obsessed with what you see as their role in destruction of your society— an obsession that’s shared by many, many people— is insane?
Can you please explain why you keep saying that the liberals were not the objects of his obsession? They were. Why are you denying that?
re: #118 kirkspencer
This I’m going to support, having read that dreck completely more than once.
The authors of the piece have two sets of enemies. The long-term enemy is Islam. The immediate enemy is what they perceive as the allies of Islam already within their borders. In this two-front war, the fight against Islam is primarily a defensive, “hold at the borders” fight for now. That’s because the attack must be against the internal enemy, which consists of the multiculturists, the liberals, the feminists, and the non-Christians.
Brievik makes this priority clear in his writing within the anthology, the ‘interview with a Knight Commander’ section.
The attack on the children wasn’t an attack on children. It was an attack on a logistic center (training ground) of the MC/L/F/NC enemy.
“Traitor Classification Systems”, and related bullcrap.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:40:46am |
re: #113 Obdicut
I had forgotten all about that passage. Thanks for the nifty reminder.
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BongCrodny Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:40:56am |
re: #78 researchok
A thousand words and then some
How does anybody look at pictures like that and think “wow…those guys are cool”?
I look at those guys and I think “Nazi youth.”
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:41:20am |
re: #120 kirkspencer
It was your battle on “fundamentalism”. You were right in that Brievik isn’t really a fundamentalist by just about everyone’s measure, but by the end you were, well, your venn circle was excluding a lot of people considered fundamentalist by the general public.
It wasn’t a battle I was going to enter — too much blood in the water already. (grin)
Not really. The Venn circle was really just excluding ABB. ‘S fine, the issue isn’t going away, so it will likely come up again.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:43:02am |
re: #123 BongCrodny
How does anybody look at pictures like that and think “wow…those guys are cool”?
I look at those guys and I think “Nazi youth.”
Bunch of freaks. Loved the loser from the NSM.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:45:16am |
re: #119 Obdicut
Not if they’re Bolivians that he accuses of letting Jews take over Bolivia.
Do you really not know that in that manifesto, there is page after page, rant after rant, about how liberals— or as he calls them, Marxists— are dooming Europe, how they’re traitors, culpable in allowing Muslims to invade, etc? Do you actually not know that?
Yeah, that “cultural Marxist” business.
I’m just waiting for the wingnuts to get a load of his confused use of the Frankfurt School. Although..they might just try and stay away from it since they’re doing something similar with “pc”.
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researchok Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:46:13am |
re: #119 Obdicut
Not if they’re Bolivians that he accuses of letting Jews take over Bolivia.
Do you really not know that in that manifesto, there is page after page, rant after rant, about how liberals— or as he calls them, Marxists— are dooming Europe, how they’re traitors, culpable in allowing Muslims to invade, etc? Do you actually not know that?
Right.
He decided not to kill those whom he saw as the real enemy, the real threat.
He may have been outraged and angry at ‘Marxists’; but they were not the core of his obsession.
Still, you raise an interesting point.
If he were as equally with ‘Marxists’ as he was with Muslims, his crazy extends to a whole new level.
That and the reality I pointed out earlier.
“….A guy who gets up one morning, plans to to kill innocents because he believes himself to be a prophet, Messiah/Savior figure who believes down the road he will be regarded as a hero.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:47:40am |
re: #127 researchok
Right.
He decided not to kill those whom he saw as the real enemy, the real threat.
He may have been outraged and angry at ‘Marxists’; but they were not the core of his obsession.
They really were a core part of his obsession. Have you not read the manifesto? Is that why you’re making these claims?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:48:54am |
re: #127 researchok
Right.
He decided not to kill those whom he saw as the real enemy, the real threat.
He may have been outraged and angry at ‘Marxists’; but they were not the core of his obsession.
Still, you raise an interesting point.
If he were as equally with ‘Marxists’ as he was with Muslims, his crazy extends to a whole new level.
Well, he’s not alone in the crazy, then. There are an awful lot of people in this country who agree with his sentiments.
You should check out the manifesto and what he included about “political correctness”.
Page 12:
How it all began - Political Correctness is Cultural Marxism
Most Europeans look back on the 1950s as a good time. Our homes were safe, to the point where many people did not bother to lock their doors. Public schools were generally excellent, and their problems were things like talking in class and running in the halls.Most men treated women like ladies, and most ladies devoted their time and effort to making good homes, rearing their children well and helping their communities through volunteer work. Children grew up in two–parent households, and the mother was there to meet the child when he came home from school. Entertainment was something the whole
family could enjoy.What happened?
Can’t anyone guess?
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researchok Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:50:05am |
re: #128 Obdicut
They really were a core part of his obsession. Have you not read the manifesto? Is that why you’re making these claims?
Yes, io have parts of teh manifesto.
And his obsession with Muslims was the dominant theme. By a wide, wide margin.
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researchok Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:51:21am |
re: #129 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Well, he’s not alone in the crazy, then. There are an awful lot of people in this country who agree with his sentiments.
You should check out the manifesto and what he included about “political correctness”.
Page 12:
Can’t anyone guess?
I agree there are a large number of people who buy into the Islamophbia meme.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:52:40am |
re: #130 researchok
And his obsession with Muslims was the dominant theme. By a wide, wide margin.
Not really, no. His obsession with Marxists, feminists, liberals in general is huge, and pervades his anti-Muslim argument to a great degree.
So, please stop saying that he killed those who weren’t even the object of his obsessions, because they were. It’s a very large distortion to claim that they weren’t.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:53:37am |
re: #129 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Most men treated women like ladies, and most ladies devoted their time and effort to making good homes, rearing their children well and helping their communities through volunteer work. Children grew up in two–parent households, and the mother was there to meet the child when he came home from school. Entertainment was something the whole
family could enjoy.
Sounds like Glenn Beck’s nostalgic longing for “lost America”
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:55:29am |
re: #131 researchok
I agree there are a large number of people who buy into the Islamophbia meme.
But the quote wasn’t about Islamophobia, it was about “political correctness”.
The rwnj in this country have been going on about so-called “political correctness” in precisely the same manner for at least 20 years, though their antipathy started long before then.
This is really charming, from page 374:
Those who are most sensitive about “politically incorrect” terminology are not the average black ghetto-dweller, Asian immigrant, abused woman or disabled person, but a minority of activists, many of whom do not even belong to any “oppressed” group but come from privileged strata of society. Political correctness has its stronghold among
government employees, politicians, university professors and journalists and publishers in government broadcasting companies who have secure employment with comfortable salaries, and the majority of whom are heterosexual, ethnic Europeans from middle-class families.
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Flounder Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:56:38am |
re: #97 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
A couple sammiches short of a picnic.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:57:01am |
re: #112 Obdicut
Okay. So how is burning Jews at the stake because you believe you’re on a mission from god not insane, but killing liberals because you’re obsessed with what you see as their role in destruction of your society— an obsession that’s shared by many, many people— is insane?
Can you please explain why you keep saying that the liberals were not the objects of his obsession? They were. Why are you denying that?
Burning the Jews and killing the liberals is not in itself insane. It can be the simple result of bad logic applied to erroneous ‘facts’. That’s why it can happen over and over.
As for ABB, I don’t care whether he is sick or evil—I just want society to do what would be appropriate in either case. Put him in safe quarantine until nature takes its course.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:58:10am |
re: #133 ralphieboy
Most men treated women like ladies, and most ladies devoted their time and effort to making good homes, rearing their children well and helping their communities through volunteer work. Children grew up in two–parent households, and the mother was there to meet the child when he came home from school. Entertainment was something the whole
family could enjoy.Sounds like Glenn Beck’s nostalgic longing for “lost America”
A lot of what he says mirrors stupid Beck, almost verbatim — and all Beck is doing is parroting Elizabeth Dilling, Cleon Skousen, Ezra Taft Benson, John Birch Society anti-commie hystericals and other 30s-60s literal n%zis and bigots.
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researchok Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:58:41am |
re: #132 Obdicut
Not really, no. His obsession with Marxists, feminists, liberals in general is huge, and pervades his anti-Muslim argument to a great degree.
So, please stop saying that he killed those who weren’t even the object of his obsessions, because they were. It’s a very large distortion to claim that they weren’t.
Once again you have mischaracterized what I said.
I said they were not the primary focus if his obsession. The primary focus was Islam/Muslims.
In any event, the trial (if there is one) will no doubt include psychiatric evaluations and psychological profiles. Let’s wait and see what those evaluations and profiles have to say.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:00:05am |
re: #135 Shropshire_Slasher
1 cylinder mind
12 shy of a dozen
A bad spot on the disk.
A few bits shy of a word.
A few bricks shy of a load.
A few cans short of a six pack.
A few fries short of a Happy Meal.
A loose chip on the micro processor.
About as bright as an LED.
About as sharp as a bowl of jello.
About as sharp as a bowling ball.
About as sharp as a sack of wet leather.
About fifteen cents short.
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thedopefishlives Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:00:06am |
re: #136 Decatur Deb
Burning the Jews and killing the liberals is not in itself insane. It can be the simple result of bad logic applied to erroneous ‘facts’. That’s why it can happen over and over.
I don’t know. I would argue that this is, in and of itself, a form of mental disease or “insanity” - the complete inability to determine fact from fiction, or the inability to understand the bounds of reason or to comprehend and apply the rules of logic. I’ve always argued that conspiracy theorists in general may have in common some form of mental disorder.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:00:10am |
re: #138 researchok
You said this:
Now, let me reiterate. There is a difference between real and organized conflict (justified or not) versus the actions of an individual who targets and kills innocents who are not even the objects of obsession..
Liberals were the objects of obsession. Your claim was very, very wrong.
In any event, the trial (if there is one) will no doubt include psychiatric evaluations and psychological profiles. Let’s wait and see what those evaluations and profiles have to say.
Are you speaking to yourself?
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BongCrodny Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:00:44am |
It’s kind of interesting how Breivik rails against Marxists and communists in his manifesto, and then directs people to where they can download Microsoft Office for free.
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researchok Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:00:58am |
re: #134 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
But the quote wasn’t about Islamophobia, it was about “political correctness”.
The rwnj in this country have been going on about so-called “political correctness” in precisely the same manner for at least 20 years, though their antipathy started long before then.
This is really charming, from page 374:
So PC is really a RW issue? To be clear, is that what you are saying?
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:01:04am |
re: #140 thedopefishlives
But then what sort of insanity is it— is it just like OCD? About 13% of Americans don’t think Obama was born in the US, think his birth certificates were forged. That’s a hell of a high incidence of insanity.
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thedopefishlives Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:02:12am |
re: #144 Obdicut
But then what sort of insanity is it— is it just like OCD? About 13% of Americans don’t think Obama was born in the US, think his birth certificates were forged. That’s a hell of a high incidence of insanity.
I would agree, but a high incidence of it doesn’t necessarily indicate that it is not so. I don’t want to excuse conspiracy theorists for anything, but sometimes I wonder if many of them are even capable of digging themselves out of the mental basement they’ve dug.
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BongCrodny Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:03:12am |
re: #139 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
1 cylinder mind
12 shy of a dozen
A bad spot on the disk.
A few bits shy of a word.
A few bricks shy of a load.
A few cans short of a six pack.
My favorite one of those is “a few dilithum crystals short of a warp drive.”
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researchok Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:03:53am |
re: #141 Obdicut
You said this:
Liberals were the objects of obsession. Your claim was very, very wrong.
Are you speaking to yourself?
As I said, let’s wait and see what the expert on scene have to say.
And once again, you are mischatracterizing what I said, so let me reiterate.
I said his hatred of Islam/Muslims were his primary obsession.
That he had other obsessions is not a surprise.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:04:10am |
re: #138 researchok
I said they were not the primary focus if his obsession. The primary focus was Islam/Muslims.
You really ought to download the manifesto and read what he cobbled together. Obdi and kirkspencer are right. The old US conservative bogey of “Cultural Marxists” are responsible for all this Islam/Muslims he feels he has to deal with.
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Flounder Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:06:13am |
Ok, somebody help me her. I’m all for glowing dogs and all, but since they have fur how does this work?reuters.com
They must have to let the dogs hair grow until it is glowing right?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:09:51am |
re: #149 Shropshire_Slasher
Ok, somebody help me her. I’m all for glowing dogs and all, but since they have fur how does this work?[Link: www.reuters.com…]
They must have to let the dogs hair grow until it is glowing right?
Blotter acid+glowing dog+Pink Floyd “Animals” CD= Saturday night of fun.:)
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:10:14am |
re: #143 researchok
So PC is really a RW issue? To be clear, is that what you are saying?
RWNJ are pretty infamous for their issue with “political correctness”. They want it eliminated (except in the cases like trying to garner support for Sarah Palin or Herman Cain, etc. Then, they’ll use the same “politically correct” language they spent the 20 years railing against, like no one since even frickin’ bell hooks.)
Further, no Toni Cade Bambara feminist from the 1970s uses “political correctness” like today’s rwnj and ABB. The latter 2 do not use it satirically, at all.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:11:51am |
re: #147 researchok
As I said, let’s wait and see what the expert on scene have to say.
You realize that I initially objected to you making such a diagnosis before we heard from the experts, right? That’s how this all got started, by you saying he was insane, and that the psychiatrists would say so.
And once again, you are mischatracterizing what I said, so let me reiterate.I said his hatred of Islam/Muslims were his primary obsession.
That he had other obsessions is not a surprise.
It really is all bundled together. The Marxist culture thing is really just about equal to the obsession with Muslims. And again, your claim was that he killed people who were not the object of his obsession. They were.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:12:47am |
re: #140 thedopefishlives
I don’t know. I would argue that this is, in and of itself, a form of mental disease or “insanity” - the complete inability to determine fact from fiction, or the inability to understand the bounds of reason or to comprehend and apply the rules of logic. I’ve always argued that conspiracy theorists in general may have in common some form of mental disorder.
All the value of crime/illness language, then, disappears into our supposed image of the ‘sane mind’. My sane professors could give a logical Thomistic excuse for the Inquisition. Their problem arose from their “inability to determine fact from fiction”—in their case an inability to question the medieval picture of an afterlife. I don’t hold them criminal or insane, just wrong.
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kirkspencer Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:13:36am |
OK, I wrote about this before but I see the same error.
ABB did not write a manifesto. ABB edited an anthology. Not more than 10% of the whole is ABB’s writings.
He wrote the first three parts of the introduction.
He wrote the interview with the Knight Commander.
He wrote his log.
There are a couple of other sections, summing maybe 20 pages, that may be his.
With the maybes, that’s ~160 pages out of over 1500 that were written by ABB.
Everything else comes from others. At most, he changes a few words. (Example, everything before Book One besides the first three sections is a total reprint of William S. Lind’s anthology “The Origins of Political Correctness.” from the Free Congress foundation. ABB changed “americans” to “europeans.”)
If you want his true manifesto, read just the interview.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:16:17am |
re: #139 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
One pickle short of a full barrel
Ain’t wrapped up too tight
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BongCrodny Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:19:28am |
There’s a bit in manifesto (around page 1253, if everybody’s page count is the same) where Breivik says:
DO NOT for the love of God aim your rage and frustration at Muslims.
…and…
We will focus on the Muslims AFTER we have seized political and military control.
Muslims are just a means to an end: this guy was REALLY pissed off at leftists.
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researchok Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:20:12am |
re: #153 Obdicut
You realize that I initially objected to you making such a diagnosis before we heard from the experts, right? That’s how this all got started, by you saying he was insane, and that the psychiatrists would say so.
It really is all bundled together. The Marxist culture thing is really just about equal to the obsession with Muslims. And again, your claim was that he killed people who were not the object of his obsession. They were.
Again, you misrepresent what I said!
I did not make a diagnosis. My remarks were predicated on observations and I noted that.
In any event, as I said, let’s see how the court psychiatrists and psychologist assess as to what and what was not his primary obsession..
I’m off- real world beckons.
Later all.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:22:26am |
re: #155 kirkspencer
(Example, everything before Book One besides the first three sections is a total reprint of William S. Lind’s anthology “The Origins of Political Correctness.” from the Free Congress foundation. ABB changed “americans” to “europeans.”)
Also worth a mention (I wrote about it a couple days ago on the blog) Robert Spencer is also a Free Congress Foundation product. He was an adjunct scholar there, 2002, 2003.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:29:13am |
“Political correctness” is such a broad and blurry topic that it is easy to take a few extreme examples and hold them up as being characteristic of the entire concept.
Which is a hackneyed polemic tool: holding up the words or actions of an extreme wingnut/moonbat and portraying them as paragons of rightist/leftist thinking and politics.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:29:55am |
re: #158 researchok
I did not make a diagnosis. My remarks were predicated on observations and I noted that.
You said that he was crazy and that the psychiatrist would say as much. That was silly.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:35:19am |
What not to do when you have a hernia…
Calif. man attempts self-surgery with butter knife
…Officers found the man naked on a patio lounge chair outside his apartment with a 6-inch butter knife sticking out of his stomach. The man’s wife told officers that her husband was upset about the hernia and wanted to take it out.
While waiting for paramedics, the sergeant said, the man pulled out the knife and stuffed a cigarette he was smoking into the bleeding, open wound.
“What he was thinking, I don’t know. I don’t know if he was cauterizing it (the wound),” Lorenz said.
…
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thedopefishlives Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:37:13am |
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:37:39am |
re: #160 Decatur Deb
Grandkids everywhere—BBL.
Heh.
My grandson’s bris is this morning. They should be texting the name any minute.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:38:35am |
re: #161 ralphieboy
“Political correctness” is such a broad and blurry topic that it is easy to take a few extreme examples and hold them up as being characteristic of the entire concept.
When a wingnut starts spittling and frothing against vague terms like “political correctness” or whatever, I’ll ask them to define what they mean by it. Often, they don’t even have a definition. All they know is, they’re supposed to hate it, whatever it is.
Same for people on the left using certain terms, having no clue what they mean by them. But hey it’s en vogue, so let’s do it. Personally, my biggest pet peeve is “BDS” and casting a pall on Israel with “apartheid”. Plenty of passion, but also lots of empty thought behind it. That’s a bad mix. Crazy-making.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:39:16am |
re: #165 Alouette
Heh.
My grandson’s bris is this morning. They should be texting the name any minute.
Stripes + baby feet = win
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:40:45am |
re: #164 thedopefishlives
It might be that they didn’t want a valedictorian with a kid, which is even more stupid.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:40:45am |
re: #164 thedopefishlives
Racism? What racism? We just didn’t want a black valedictorian, that’s all
White students with lower GPAs are just supposed to rule! What’s wrong with that!
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thedopefishlives Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:42:03am |
re: #168 Obdicut
It might be that they didn’t want a valedictorian with a kid, which is even more stupid.
Yeah, either way, it’s just plain retarded. The girl earned her place, let her have it without interference from the moral/racial police (whichever is applicable).
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:45:48am |
re: #168 Obdicut
It might be that they didn’t want a valedictorian with a kid, which is even more stupid.
They’re gonna really hate the Catherine Ferguson Academy, then.
lol
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Achilles Tang Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:51:05am |
re: #74 Cannadian Club Akbar
This story is just fucked.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]
I had a rental tenant not long ago. He vanished one week and eventually I found out that he had taken a two hour drive to meet a 13 year old girl. He was number 22 of 22 caught in the sting.
When cleaning out the place I found his DVDs. Suffice it to say, I turned them over to the police who had him locked up.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:56:10am |
re: #156 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
One pickle short of a full barrel
Ain’t wrapped up too tight
He’s a nut!
-Barney Fife
(I swear, that line is the gift that keeps on giving.)
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kirkspencer Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:56:44am |
re: #159 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Also worth a mention (I wrote about it a couple days ago on the blog) Robert Spencer is also a Free Congress Foundation product. He was an adjunct scholar there, 2002, 2003.
Coors. Olin. Scaife.
I am no longer astounded when I trace lines of origin that come back to that trio.
FCF was a Weyrich founded Coors funded organization.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:57:19am |
re: #164 thedopefishlives
What year is it? Where’s my fucking calendar.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:02:00am |
re: #175 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I bet that co-valedictorian feels crappy about it, too. It’s basically a “You’re not black” award.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:03:51am |
re: #172 Naso Tang
I had a rental tenant not long ago. He vanished one week and eventually I found out that he had taken a two hour drive to meet a 13 year old girl. He was number 22 of 22 caught in the sting.
When cleaning out the place I found his DVDs. Suffice it to say, I turned them over to the police who had him locked up.
Did he go to Polk county?
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Achilles Tang Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:05:16am |
re: #177 Cannadian Club Akbar
Did he go to Polk county?
You got it. Look it up and find number 22’s picture.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:10:33am |
re: #174 kirkspencer
Coors. Olin. Scaife.
I am no longer astounded when I trace lines of origin that come back to that trio.
FCF was a Weyrich founded Coors funded organization.
Have you seen Sara Diamond’s Spiritual Warfare? Instant classic.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:10:45am |
re: #178 Naso Tang
You got it. Look it up and find number 22’s picture.
I hit the WTSP site. They didn’t have them in order. Was it the old guy? WTSP also had women pics. Were the in it or did they mess up the pics?
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Lidane Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:10:47am |
re: #63 researchok
The more I read about this guy, the more convinced I am of his insanity.
This guy truly lived in an alternate universe.
He lived in the “counter-jihad” universe where Western civilization itself is doomed to extinction unless drastic measures are taken. All he did was take their arguments to their logical conclusion.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:11:50am |
re: #176 Obdicut
I missed out on a pretty unique opportunity as a senior in HS mainly because I was not black. That sucked, but not was not nearly so much a big deal as what this poor girl missed.
I’m still fairly bitter. She’s got a lifetime of “pissed off!” ahead of her.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:13:15am |
re: #182 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I missed out on a pretty unique opportunity as a senior in HS mainly because I was not black. That sucked, but not was not nearly so much a big deal as what this poor girl missed.
I’m still fairly bitter. She’s got a lifetime of “pissed off!” ahead of her.
I know what you mean. Going to a high school where you ARE “the black” was no crystal stair, either. I don’t recommend it.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:15:39am |
re: #180 Cannadian Club Akbar
I hit the WTSP site. They didn’t have them in order. Was it the old guy? WTSP also had women pics. Were the in it or did they mess up the pics?
Richard M
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:17:19am |
re: #183 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I know what you mean. Going to a high school where you ARE “the black” was no crystal stair, either. I don’t recommend it.
Wasn’t the issue. My school was about 50/50. I was infinitely more qualified than he. In this category, I had won everything else… still pisses me off though.
Of course, now he’s a PHD… I’m a lowly retail salesman.
WOO HOO! SOMEONE I CAN BLAME!!!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:18:10am |
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:19:14am |
re: #182 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I’m technically hispanic, but I’ve never claimed it anywhere, because I don’t deserve any breaks for my background; I’ve had an incredibly privileged one.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:19:43am |
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:19:53am |
MAZAL TOV! My grandson’s name is Pinchas Shmuel (secular name: Phillip), named after my father and my daughter-in-law’s grandfather.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:23:56am |
re: #186 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Wasn’t the issue. My school was about 50/50. I was infinitely more qualified than he. In this category, I had won everything else… still pisses me off though.
Of course, now he’s a PHD… I’m a lowly retail salesman.
WOO HOO! SOMEONE I CAN BLAME!!!
Yeah, I can relate. We’ve never lived in a meritocracy. The guy right below me in class standing is now a multi bajillionaire who smoked and drugged his way through both HS and college. My BFF’s valedictorian speech? I wrote it lol. I’m actually glad for him, though. Not sure what became of her.
Funny thing about all this Marcus Bachmann business…2nd to last time I talked to her, my first junior year in college, she was talking about “starting a ministry to the homosexual”. /rotfl
I wasn’t even out then, and it set off a million bells that hadn’t already been set off during HS.
High school is some shit.
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kirkspencer Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:26:13am |
re: #179 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Have you seen Sara Diamond’s Spiritual Warfare? Instant classic.
No, but I’m going to guess it’s an expansion of her prior books (all along the same theme). I’ve read both Roads to Dominion and Not by Politics Alone and there was a lot of overlap between them.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:26:20am |
re: #191 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Yeah, I can relate. We’ve never lived in a meritocracy. The guy right below me in class standing is now a multi bajillionaire who smoked and drugged his way through both HS and college. My BFF’s valedictorian speech? I wrote it lol. I’m actually glad for him, though. Not sure what became of her.
Funny thing about all this Marcus Bachmann business…2nd to last time I talked to her, my first junior year in college, she was talking about “starting a ministry to the homosexual”. /rotfl
I wasn’t even out then, and it set off a million bells that hadn’t already been set off during HS.
High school is some shit.
How many junior years did you have?
/
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:27:57am |
re: #193 Cannadian Club Akbar
How many junior years did you have?
/
I had four years of Grammar I AND Algebra I. Seriously.
I thought since it had the word bra in it; Algebra would be fun. It wasn’t.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:29:13am |
re: #191 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I didn’t know you were Lesbianese. WherethehellhaveIbeen?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:29:33am |
re: #193 Cannadian Club Akbar
How many junior years did you have?
/
Three, to be exact.
Some things, uh, happened, between me and parents the summer of that junior year. So you can say I took the long route through undergrad.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:29:35am |
re: #194 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I had four years of Grammar I AND Algebra I. Seriously.
I thought since it had the word bra in it; Algebra would be fun. It wasn’t.
This is why some people have PHD’s and others don’t.
///
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:31:24am |
re: #195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I didn’t know you were Lesbianese. WherethehellhaveIbeen?
Well, technically I’m not, I like men as well, but I’ll throw in with ordained Lesbianity when inevitably lumped in with them. It’s not how I i.d., though.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:39:54am |
re: #192 kirkspencer
No, but I’m going to guess it’s an expansion of her prior books (all along the same theme). I’ve read both Roads to Dominion and Not by Politics Alone and there was a lot of overlap between them.
It’s actually the first of them. That junior year I mentioned - I first read it the year after. It blew my mind because I had just, uh, left, that exact setting. Very ruthless people in that scene.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:44:15am |
re: #198 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I kind of get it. Girls are pretty.
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:46:19am |
Tea Party Warns GOP: A Vote for Boehner’s Debt Plan Violates Our Pledge
WASHINGTON — The Tea Party is causing more headaches for Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) over his debt proposal.
A coalition of several hundred Tea Party chapters declared Tuesday that a vote for Boehner’s debt plan constitutes a violation of its pledge, which 51 Republican lawmakers have signed. The group, known as the Cut, Cap and Balance Coalition, notified its members of its position in a Tuesday memo entitled, “Clarification of the CCB Coalition Stance on the Speaker’s Proposal.”
“The greatest concern to the Cut, Cap and Balance Coalition is the integrity of the Cut, Cap and Balance Pledge that was signed by 39 House Members and 12 Senators, and whether voting for the proposed deal constitutes a Pledge violation,” reads the memo.”
Strange but true.
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thedopefishlives Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:46:59am |
re: #201 Gus 802
Wait, what? I thought his proposal was already off the deep end in the Tea Party’s direction.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:47:56am |
re: #200 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I kind of get it. Girls are pretty.
Was amused to hear my five-year-old son singing “I kissed a girl and I liked it/hope my boyfriend doesn’t mind it…”
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:48:30am |
re: #202 thedopefishlives
Wait, what? I thought his proposal was already off the deep end in the Tea Party’s direction.
Apparently it doesn’t contain enough tea leaves. Or something.
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:50:49am |
re: #202 thedopefishlives
Wait, what? I thought his proposal was already off the deep end in the Tea Party’s direction.
This might be better than my explanation. ;)
Lawmakers who signed the pledge agreed to oppose any debt limit increase unless it met three conditions: substantial spending cuts, enforceable spending caps and a constitutional amendment that requires the government to balance its books each year.
The Cut, Cap and Balance Coalition claims Boehner’s plan violates all three conditions.
Boehner’s call for $7 billion in first-year spending cuts “is well short of the ‘substantial’ standard,” states the memo. Instead, the coalition has pressed for $111 billion in cuts in fiscal year 2012.
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darthstar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:51:58am |
re: #201 Gus 802
It’s lonely out there when you’re orange.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:51:59am |
re: #203 ralphieboy
Overheard by a four year old girl in the line at Burger King once,
“Oh oh, here she comes;
Watch out boy; she’ll chew you up.
Oh oh, here she comes;
She’s a maneater.”
I thought it was funny. Singing a song like no one’s listening. Dancing like no one’s watching. Aaah. To be four years old.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:53:02am |
re: #208 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I thought it was funny. Singing a song like no one’s listening. Dancing like no one’s watching. Aaah. To be four years old.
I work from home. I get to do that.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:53:07am |
re: #201 Gus 802
Tea Party Warns GOP: A Vote for Boehner’s Debt Plan Violates Our Pledge
Strange but true.
Somebody from the GOP needs to tell these pledge-happy tea party people, nobody has to go by loyalty oaths, anymore.
Congress members take an oath to uphold the Constitution, not their benefactors’ dumb, pocket-lining fantasies, wtf.
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:53:51am |
re: #208 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Overheard by a four year old girl in the line at Burger King once,
“Oh oh, here she comes;
Watch out boy; she’ll chew you up.
Oh oh, here she comes;
She’s a maneater.”I thought it was funny. Singing a song like no one’s listening. Dancing like no one’s watching. Aaah. To be four years old.
Hall and Oates
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darthstar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:54:42am |
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:55:18am |
re: #202 thedopefishlives
Wait, what? I thought his proposal was already off the deep end in the Tea Party’s direction.
It is but not far enough for the Tea Party idiots. From what I understand there might be some common ground in the bill. I guess they might be able to reconcile the Reid and Boehner bills in the senate. It might be a way to get around the problem of direct negotiations and lets house Republicans get out of their responsibility to make a decision.
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:56:14am |
re: #211 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Somebody from the GOP needs to tell these pledge-happy tea party people, nobody has to go by loyalty oaths, anymore.
Congress members take an oath to uphold the Constitution, not their benefactors’ dumb, pocket-lining fantasies, wtf.
My sister email that too me saying in part, “WTF”. Obviously shows that there are people to the right of Boehner. I think the Tea Party is sinking the GOP. It may not show yet but it will eventually.
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darthstar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:57:03am |
re: #215 Killgore Trout
It is but not far enough for the Tea Party idiots. From what I understand there might be some common ground in the bill. I guess they might be able to reconcile the Reid and Boehner bills in the senate. It might be a way to get around the problem of direct negotiations and lets house Republicans get out of their responsibility to make a decision.
That’s probably better, as they’ve shown they don’t have the capacity for such activity.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:58:21am |
Reid savings trumps Boehner plan
The Congressional Budget Office released a report Wednesday morning that credits the Senate bill with reducing budget deficits by about $2.2 trillion through 2021, nearly three times the $850 billion credited to the Boehner bill on Tuesday.
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:59:32am |
Maneater Lyrics
Artist(Band):Hall & Oates
She’ll only come out at nights
The lean and hungry type
Nothing is new
I’ve seen her here before
Watching and waiting
Ooh, she’s sittin’ with you
But her eyes are on the door
So many have paid to see
What you think
You’re gettin’ for free
The woman is wild
A she-cat tamed
By the purr of a Jaguar
Money’s the matter
If you’re in it for love
You ain’t gonna get too far
(Oh-oh, here she comes)
Watch out boy
She’ll chew you up
(Oh-oh, here she comes)
She’s a maneater
(Oh-oh, here she comes)
Watch out boy
She’ll chew you up
(Oh-oh, here she comes)
She’s a maneater
I wouldn’t if I were you
I know what she can do
She’s deadly man
And she could really rip your world apart
Mind over matter
Ooh, the beauty is there
But a beast is in the heart
(Oh-oh, here she comes)
Watch out boy
She’ll chew you up
(Oh-oh, here she comes)
She’s a maneater
(Oh-oh, here she comes)
Watch out boy
She’ll chew you up
(Oh-oh, here she comes)
She’s a maneater
[Instrumental Interlude]
Ooooooooh
(Oh-oh, here she comes)
Here she comes
Watch out boy
She’ll chew you up
(Whoa-oh, here she comes
(Watch out) she’s a maneater
(Oh-oh, here she comes)
(She’s a maneater)
Ooh, she’ll chew you up
(Oh-oh, here she comes)
Here she comes, she’s a maneater
(Oh-oh, here she comes)
(Watch out)
She’ll only come out at night, ooh-oh
(Oh-oh, here she comes)
Here she comes
She’s a maneater
(Oh-oh, here she comes)
(She’s a maneater)
The woman is wild, whoooa
(Oh-oh, here she comes)
Here she comes
Watch out boy, watch out boy
(Oh-oh, here she comes)
Oh, watch out, watch out
Watch out, watch out
(Oh-oh, here she comes)
(Yeah, yeah) she’s a maneater
(Oh-oh, here she comes)
(She’s a maneater)
She’s watching and waiting, ooh-oh
(Oh-oh, here she comes)
Oh, she’s a maneater
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:00:15am |
re: #218 Killgore Trout
Heh. This is getting pathetic. It’s obvious the GOP has no interest in anything that comes from the Democrats. This isn’t actually about substance. This is about declaring Democrats to be the ideological enemy with whom there can be no compromise.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:00:17am |
re: #217 darthstar
That’s probably better, as they’ve shown they don’t have the capacity for such activity.
Yeah, I think they’re goal in these negotiations is to just avoid making a decision. If they can manage to pass the Boehner plan (which is questionable) they might be able to pass the buck.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:00:20am |
re: #216 Gus 802
My sister email that too me saying in part, “WTF”. Obviously shows that there are people to the right of Boehner. I think the Tea Party is sinking the GOP. It may not show yet but it will eventually.
I think they are, too. I hope not, though in their current incarnation I wouldn’t miss them. But in this climate, I would just fret about what would appear in its place, eesh.
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Ericus58 Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:02:13am |
Good morning, reptiles.
Here’s a video of some Warbirds filmed in HD, set to theme music from the John Adams mini series.
Just under 3 minutes… enough to leave me wishing it was longer ;)
Enjoy!
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thedopefishlives Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:03:14am |
re: #220 Obdicut
Heh. This is getting pathetic. It’s obvious the GOP has no interest in anything that comes from the Democrats. This isn’t actually about substance. This is about declaring Democrats to be the ideological enemy with whom there can be no compromise.
I’ve had enough partisan politics to last a lifetime already, and I’m only 26. Can someone please apply the cluebat until these guys understand that we don’t CARE about party lines, we care about what’s best for our country?
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:03:19am |
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darthstar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:03:42am |
re: #218 Killgore Trout
Boehner hates and distrusts the CBO - though he did use it as an excuse to step back from his piece of shit bill. The CBO must feel like a high school teacher grading papers. Some students, like Harry Reid, do their research and when they turn in their homework it’s well organized and logical. Others, like Boehner, play sports all the time and hang out in the quad chatting up reporters until the last second, then turn in one triple-spaced page of nonsensical crap and hope for that elusive D-.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:03:43am |
About the debate above: the only hunch of ABB being clinically insane, rather than a stone-called cynic following through on his ideological premises, is the obsession with Knights Templar. But even that is explainable by “role-playing”, and possibly stems from ABB being a gamer of sorts.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:04:09am |
re: #208 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
My kids and I sing Bloodhound Gang’s “The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire…”
but to avoid hassles I taught them
“We don’t need no water let the funny bunny burn, burn, funny bunny, burn…”
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:04:33am |
re: #225 Gus 802
Without touching taxes? I didn’t see it mentioned in the article.
In essence the Senate plan allows a full $127 billion for war-related costs in 2012 and then caps future spending at $450 billion. Republicans are sure to argue that these limits are unrealistic, but under CBO rules that nets out to at least $1.044 trillion in additional savings not in the Boehner package.
When interest savings are factored in, the net impact could be close to $1.250 trillion and largely explains the disparity between the two plans, which are relatively close in how each treats the more conventional annual appropriations to fund government operations.
Not all is entirely good news for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who crafted the Senate package. As introduced, the bill claimed $2.7 trillion in savings, more than enough to offset what was proposed to be a $2.4 trillion debt ceiling increase to carry the Treasury into 2013 and past the 2012 elections.
The CBO estimate falls short then by about $500 billion from what Reid claimed and $200 billion below the anticipated increase in borrowing authority.
But the report is clearly good for Democrats on balance as they try to gain some footing to defense President Barack Obama against the House plan.
Read more: politico.com
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:09:43am |
Dennis Kucinich is not happy with the President:
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:11:42am |
This must explain Boenher’s “mano a mano” comment. He’s obviously a “bring the bacon home” politician and cannot and probably does not want to go full Teabagger. My only conclusion will be that the Tea Party will try and primary him or throw in a 3rd party when he comes up for re-election next year. They’ve already been threatening this.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:11:52am |
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lawhawk Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:12:08am |
re: #218 Killgore Trout
And the Boehner plan was only going to save $1 billion in FY 2012. Its savings were backloaded at the tail end of the 10 year plan, and we know how all those go. Within a year or two, the proposed savings are diverted, ignored, or otherwise spent elsewhere so the savings doesn’t materialize.
While the headline says that the Reid plan will save more than 2x the Boehner plan, the fine print shows that the bulk of those savings come from apparently capping military expenses for Afghanistan and Iraq - and counting them towards the calculations, which may not be realized either (for the same reasons that the Boehner plan fails IMO).
Both plans are seriously backloaded; though Reid’s plan provides more up front cuts - $30 billion in FY 2012, $99 billion in FY 2013, $156 billion in FY 2014, etc. However, when you back out the nearly $1 trillion in Afghanistan and Iraq limits, the overall savings under the Reid plan still exceeds that of the Boehner plan, but only by about $250 billion (again mostly backloaded).
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:14:01am |
re: #228 ralphieboy
It’s awesome when you really laugh out loud. I just did.
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:14:20am |
I see the AT&T hamsters are having another hard time this morning. Groan.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:15:02am |
re: #228 ralphieboy
How do you work out “The Lap-dance Is Always Better When the Stripper is Crying”.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:15:05am |
re: #234 Gus 802
Kucinich is the Democrats Ron Paul.
I said on an MSNBC comment board that Luap Nor was the Dennish Kucinich of the right. Heh.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:19:01am |
re: #233 lawhawk
And the Boehner plan was only going to save $1 billion in FY 2012. Its savings were backloaded at the tail end of the 10 year plan, and we know how all those go. Within a year or two, the proposed savings are diverted, ignored, or otherwise spent elsewhere so the savings doesn’t materialize.
While the headline says that the Reid plan will save more than 2x the Boehner plan, the fine print shows that the bulk of those savings come from apparently capping military expenses for Afghanistan and Iraq - and counting them towards the calculations, which may not be realized either (for the same reasons that the Boehner plan fails IMO).
Both plans are seriously backloaded; though Reid’s plan provides more up front cuts - $30 billion in FY 2012, $99 billion in FY 2013, $156 billion in FY 2014, etc. However, when you back out the nearly $1 trillion in Afghanistan and Iraq limits, the overall savings under the Reid plan still exceeds that of the Boehner plan, but only by about $250 billion (again mostly backloaded).
I think that’s pretty accurate.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:19:07am |
re: #234 Gus 802
Kucinich is the Democrats Ron Paul.
He’s Ron Paul and Neville Chamberlain combined.
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:19:30am |
The GOP’s debt test: Can the ‘hell no’ caucus get to yes?
The first thing to know about the group of House Republicans who will determine the fate of Speaker John Boehner’s bill to cut the deficit and raise the debt ceiling is that many of them came to Congress to say no. This Tea Party-infused contingent, many of them freshman, arrived on a wave of frustration with the status quo. Its members delivered a million warnings about the death of the American dream, “think of the children” speeches about our country’s future, and ceaseless critiques of “business as usual” in Washington. In a recent YouGov survey, two-thirds of Republican voters said they preferred a representative who “sticks to his or her principles, no matter what.” The debt-limit debate is the showdown for which the Tea Party has been girding all along, the perfect forum for a principled stand.
Yougov? That’s a UK based website. That would likely be an online poll. 2/3rds? Really? Hmmm.
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kirkspencer Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:19:56am |
re: #233 lawhawk
And the Boehner plan was only going to save $1 billion in FY 2012. Its savings were backloaded at the tail end of the 10 year plan, and we know how all those go. Within a year or two, the proposed savings are diverted, ignored, or otherwise spent elsewhere so the savings doesn’t materialize.
While the headline says that the Reid plan will save more than 2x the Boehner plan, the fine print shows that the bulk of those savings come from apparently capping military expenses for Afghanistan and Iraq - and counting them towards the calculations, which may not be realized either (for the same reasons that the Boehner plan fails IMO).
Both plans are seriously backloaded; though Reid’s plan provides more up front cuts - $30 billion in FY 2012, $99 billion in FY 2013, $156 billion in FY 2014, etc. However, when you back out the nearly $1 trillion in Afghanistan and Iraq limits, the overall savings under the Reid plan still exceeds that of the Boehner plan, but only by about $250 billion (again mostly backloaded).
And all because the lowest taxes in decades are still too high for these people.
Why can’t we just have the tax rates as they were under Reagan?
//
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BongCrodny Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:19:58am |
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:21:01am |
Another landmark for my frogs. I spotted a little frog (still about 1/4 inch long) hopping around in the kohlrabi patch last night. About 8 feet away from the pond.
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:23:19am |
re: #241 Gus 802
The GOP’s debt test: Can the ‘hell no’ caucus get to yes?
Yougov? That’s a UK based website. That would likely be an online poll. 2/3rds? Really? Hmmm.
This is likely more accurate.
Public Wants Compromise on Debt Limit, But Tea Party Divides Republicans on Making a Deal
A majority of Republicans overall (53 percent) favor compromise compared to 38 percent who don’t. But Republicans and Republican-leaning independents who embrace the tea party movement want lawmakers to stand by their principles and not compromise by a 53 percent to 42 percent margin. Those Republicans who don’t identify with the tea party movement favor compromise by 66 percent to 24 percent.
This is from PEW not “Yougov”.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:24:02am |
1961 Hill UFO Abduction Commemorated On Official NH Plaque
July 25, 2011: New Hampshire has erected a historical marker commemorating the fiftieth anniversary of Betty and Barney Hill’s UFO alien abduction. The Hills’ story, is probably, the most famous of UFO experiences because was the first UFO abduction report in the USA. It was the first time that anyone reported having invasive physical examinations at the hands of aliens.
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lawhawk Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:24:52am |
re: #226 darthstar
Reid’s proposal is just slightly less deficient than Boehner’s plan - because of the backloading that anyone in politics knows will never actually occur because Congress will change its mind down the line.
CBO scoring requires a 10 year outlook, so everyone games the cuts to be backloaded to maximize the savings that are never actually realized. Reid cuts more up front and that gives him a slight edge, but about half of his cuts are based on reductions in Afghanistan and Iraq spending.
On that basis (that there are more cuts up front), I’d put Reid’s proposal ahead of Boehner’s plan.
Everyone’s trying to delay actual cuts (both the GOP and Dem leadership) - because no one wants to deal with the structural budget situation since it would lead to cuts in programs that both sides actually rely upon.
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Interesting Times Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:25:07am |
re: #244 Killgore Trout
Do you have dwarf citrus trees in your garden by any chance? I have a clementine tree which keeps dropping fruit (it remains very small, turns black, and then falls off).
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:25:14am |
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:31:21am |
Ugh. Obviously they used state highway funds. Great. UFO/alien abduction bullshit is being recognized by a state and using tax money for this. I put this crap in the same category as intelligent design, ghosts, goblins and “little green men”.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:32:20am |
Assad killed 11 more of his citizens today…
Syrian tanks assault town, kill 11 civilians - groups
(Reuters) - Syrian troops and security forces backed by tanks killed 11 civilians on Wednesday when they stormed a town near Damascus, Syrian human rights campaigners said, in the latest crackdown on protests against President Bashar al-Assad.
The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which is based in Britain, said four tanks and a bulldozer entered Kanaker, 30 km (20 miles) southwest of the capital, while 14 other tanks surrounded the town.
It said residents threw stones and set fire to tyres in an effort to block their advance, and shouted “God is greatest” from rooftops.
Citing witnesses, the Syrian National Organisation for Human Rights, which is headed by opposition figure Ammar Qurabi, said military intelligence agents also arrested 300 people in the town and took them away in 11 small buses.
I bet most of those 300 people they captures won’t be seen again.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:34:31am |
re: #251 NJDhockeyfan
Just trying to stop the spread of Jihad?
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:35:24am |
re: #250 Gus 802
Ugh. Obviously they used state highway funds. Great. UFO/alien abduction bullshit is being recognized by a state and using tax money for this. I put this crap in the same category as intelligent design, ghosts, goblins and “little green men”.
Cough.
After extensive hypnosis sessions, Dr. Simon concluded that Barney’s recall of the UFO encounter was a fantasy inspired by Betty’s dreams. Though Simon admitted this hypothesis did not explain every aspect of the experience, he thought it was the most plausible and consistent explanation. Barney rejected this idea, noting that while their memories were in some regards interlocking, there were also portions of both their narratives that were unique to each. Barney was now ready to accept that they had been abducted by the occupants of a UFO, though he never embraced it as fully as Betty did.
Though the Hills and Simon disagreed about the nature of the case, they all concurred that the hypnosis sessions were effective: the Hills were no longer tormented by anxiety about the UFO encounter.
Afterwards, Simon wrote an article about the Hills for the journal Psychiatric Opinion, explaining his conclusions that the case was a singular psychological aberration.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:38:09am |
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:38:52am |
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:40:31am |
re: #254 ralphieboy
Most of American culture is some sort of monument to psychic aberrations
/
Having seen a Jackalope I can attest to that.
//
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:42:53am |
Although. I see stuff like the Jackalope as harmless old fashioned “cute” fun. The UFO stuff is bizzaro-mundo and it includes a large cult following. Jeff Rense, Abovetopsecret, Truthers, etc. They’re like cousins.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:44:14am |
re: #258 Gus 802
Although. I see stuff like the Jackalope as harmless old fashioned “cute” fun. The UFO stuff is bizzaro-mundo and it includes a large cult following. Jeff Rense, Abovetopsecret, Truthers, etc. They’re like cousins.
Guess you don’t listen to Coast to Coast AM, huh?
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:46:07am |
Gotta run. I can see a UFO flying toward town and I’m going to hunt that motherfucker down.
Cheers!
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:47:55am |
Typical UFO siting…
Hey man. [hiccup] Look! [hiccup] A spaceship. [hiccup] They’re landing. [hiccup] Oh my God. [hiccup] There’s a little green man coming towards us. [hiccup] Get your camera Bill! [hiccup] And grab me another beer. [hiccup]
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darthstar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:48:01am |
re: #257 Cannadian Club Akbar
We are not alone. Or are we?
[Link: www.space.com…]
Only if you’re John Boehner.
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darthstar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:49:20am |
What the fuck are these guys supposed to eat? Dirt?
Image: alien-planet-02.jpg
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darthstar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:50:03am |
re: #262 Gus 802
Typical UFO siting…
Hey man. [hiccup] Look! [hiccup] A spaceship. [hiccup] They’re landing. [hiccup] Oh my God. [hiccup] There’s a little green man coming towards us. [hiccup] Get your camera Bill! [hiccup] And grab me another beer. [hiccup]
You forgot the complimentary anal probing.
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:50:10am |
re: #265 darthstar
What the fuck are these guys supposed to eat? Dirt?
Image: alien-planet-02.jpg
Lichen? Moss? Mold?
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darthstar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:51:32am |
re: #268 Gus 802
Lichen? Moss? Mold?
Good luck reaching it with giant tusks sticking out of your maw.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:52:02am |
re: #270 Gus 802
And Alien Green Stamps™.
//
You mean Green Alien Stamps. You use them to buy an Alien Ant Farm.
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:52:44am |
re: #272 Cannadian Club Akbar
You mean Green Alien Stamps. You use them to buy an Alien Ant Farm.
An X-Ray Vision Glasses.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:56:00am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:58:16am |
Speaking of aliens, I love mashed potatoes.
(see how long this takes)
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allegro Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:59:30am |
re: #255 NJDhockeyfan
James Earl Jones was great in the movie…
[Video]
James Earl Jones is great in everything. Speaking of Thulsa Doom… (great segue huh?) I’ve been seeing ads for the new Conan the Barbarian movie coming out. I have real mixed feelings about this with the original movie occupying a very special place in my heart.
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:59:38am |
re: #275 Cannadian Club Akbar
Speaking of aliens, I love mashed potatoes.
(see how long this takes)
Dee Dee Sharp?
//
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kirkspencer Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:01:23am |
re: #275 Cannadian Club Akbar
Speaking of aliens, I love mashed potatoes.
(see how long this takes)
This means something.
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:02:49am |
re: #276 allegro
James Earl Jones is great in everything. Speaking of Thulsa Doom… (great segue huh?) I’ve been seeing ads for the new Conan the Barbarian movie coming out. I have real mixed feelings about this with the original movie occupying a very special place in my heart.
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darthstar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:02:52am |
Okay…pretty interesting diary at dKos calling out Beck and the pro-Breivik crowd that follows him. All screenshots (this is one)are from Beck’s blog, The Blaze…
dailykos.com
Really. How he keeps his radio show is beyond me.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:03:52am |
re: #275 Cannadian Club Akbar
Speaking of aliens, I love mashed potatoes.
(see how long this takes)
Be sure to eat a mountain of them.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:04:11am |
re: #275 Cannadian Club Akbar
Speaking of aliens, I love mashed potatoes.
(see how long this takes)
I know it mean’s something, but the devil if I can remember
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:05:07am |
Buncha smart people here, huh?:) (a ding for all)
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lawhawk Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:05:51am |
re: #276 allegro
Indeed; though I’ve got to say that the trailer showing a young Conan provides the kind of backstory that could suck someone in… (red banner trailer)
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allegro Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:05:54am |
re: #281 darthstar
Okay…pretty interesting diary at dKos calling out Beck and the pro-Breivik crowd that follows him. All screenshots (this is one)are from Beck’s blog, The Blaze…
[Link: www.dailykos.com…]Really. How he keeps his radio show is beyond me.
Their “look at what you make us do?” crap is the foundation line of every abuser. It defines these assholes who think ABB is a cool dude who stepped up to do what was “necessary.” Sickening.
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darthstar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:05:57am |
re: #284 Cannadian Club Akbar
Buncha smart people here, huh?:) (a ding for all)
Everyone’s smart on the internet. Now, ask us to change a lightbulb.
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thedopefishlives Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:07:04am |
re: #289 lawhawk
Republic credits are no good here. /
*waves hand mysteriously* Credits will do fine.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:07:05am |
re: #287 darthstar
Everyone’s smart on the internet. Now, ask us to change a lightbulb.
How many divorced men does it take to change a lightbulb?
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:08:30am |
re: #281 darthstar
Okay…pretty interesting diary at dKos calling out Beck and the pro-Breivik crowd that follows him. All screenshots (this is one)are from Beck’s blog, The Blaze…
[Link: www.dailykos.com…]Really. How he keeps his radio show is beyond me.
Ugh.
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lawhawk Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:09:01am |
re: #290 thedopefishlives
Why do you keep waving your hand like a Jedi.
Your mind tricks wont work on me….
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darthstar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:09:24am |
re: #291 Cannadian Club Akbar
How many divorced men does it take to change a lightbulb?
You got me on that one. I remarried and change them all the time.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:10:09am |
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lawhawk Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:10:17am |
NYT analysis of the competing debt plans essentially confirms what I said above.
Both plans suck. Both plans end up saving far less than what they announced the savings to be, both plans are backloaded, and both plans will mean having to come back to revisit the issue within months.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:10:32am |
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thedopefishlives Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:10:37am |
re: #293 lawhawk
Why do you keep waving your hand like a Jedi.
Your mind tricks wont work on me…
Maybe not on you, but certainly on a Volkswagen.
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darthstar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:11:16am |
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:12:27am |
re: #299 Cannadian Club Akbar
You’re only getting 1 ding…
That’s a good piece of trivia though. The hint. Mashed potatoes!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:12:30am |
re: #300 thedopefishlives
Maybe not on you, but certainly on a Volkswagen.
That’s fucking awesome!!!
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thedopefishlives Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:13:53am |
re: #305 Cannadian Club Akbar
That’s fucking awesome!!!
Possibly one of my favorite commercials ever, really. It was one of the prime Super Bowl commercials for this year, but I only ever saw it maybe once or twice outside of that. I was sad; it was brilliant.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:14:50am |
More Glenn Beck fan comments….
Blaze: Oslo Shooter’s Lawyer: I Think My Client is Insane
I really feel for the guy. He loves his country so much that to see his own culture eroded away by multicultures that the govt is letting in, drove him to this heinous act. Being in the military you notice things that the civilian population ignores. He was very keen on those changes being made, both in govt and in the civilian world. He is not insane, but he does need help
….
Norway is a socialist country with an elaborate liberty-killing welfare system that caused ABBA to snap. Ramming socialism down people’s throats is a cause of job killing massacres (however, a boon to law enforcement, legal and prison industries).So think about that – he was merely trying to take his country back. To lefties, that is insane.
….
Let Jesus sort it out.Some people here chalk Oslo up to, stuff happens, as if this was just a case of somebody losing it, (which could happen any time to anyone). Who are we to impose morals on this poor poor man?
Nearly all the comments are supporting the killer.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:16:02am |
re: #286 allegro
I would like to think that at least some of these posters really don’t believe all the shit they are posting, they are just the kind of obnoxious twits who like to offend other people’s sensibilities by shocking them.
And the anonymous Interwebs are a place that really cultivates this sort of behavior, if they knew that their name and face were going to be connected to their bile they might be a bit more reticent.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:16:10am |
re: #309 Killgore Trout
one more….
Multiculturialism and bleeding heart liberals are driving millions and millions of people insane across the globe. I think this is just the tip of the iceberg and the beginning of hundreds of similiar events.
*sigh*
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kirkspencer Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:17:17am |
re: #309 Killgore Trout
More Glenn Beck fan comments…
Blaze: Oslo Shooter’s Lawyer: I Think My Client is Insane
…
Let Jesus sort it out.Nearly all the comments are supporting the killer.
Kill them all, God shall know his own.
Why can’t evil learn new lines?
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:17:32am |
re: #298 lawhawk
NYT analysis of the competing debt plans essentially confirms what I said above.
Both plans suck. Both plans end up saving far less than what they announced the savings to be, both plans are backloaded, and both plans will mean having to come back to revisit the issue within months.
Especially since the last thing we want to be doing during this recession is cutting spending.
Cutting wasteful spending, Sure. Figuring out ways to address medical costs is an absolutely necessity. But just flat-out cutting spending as the goal is moronic.
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brennant Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:17:43am |
re: #311 Killgore Trout
Amazing. Now they support terrorism.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:19:01am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:19:31am |
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:20:40am |
re: #318 Cannadian Club Akbar
What about Bill?
We have no takers! Who will win a years supply of Eskimo Pies™.
FBV in the house? //
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kirkspencer Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:21:22am |
re: #314 Obdicut
Especially since the last thing we want to be doing during this recession is cutting spending.
Cutting wasteful spending, Sure. Figuring out ways to address medical costs is an absolutely necessity. But just flat-out cutting spending as the goal is moronic.
Food inspection. Industry inspectors. Judges and other court officials. Border security. Port customs officers.
These are a few of what are already understaffed and looking at more cuts.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:21:34am |
re: #311 Killgore Trout
“I think this is just the tip of the iceberg and the beginning of hundreds of similiar events.”
Sad part, I think that part is true.
Now just image what the reaction throughout Europe or America would be if there were another major 9/11-style terrorist attack, especially one that is clearly of Islamist provenance?
We might well see hordes of nutbags and militias out in their jeeps shooting down anything that looks brown-skinned or blue-state.
And if the government tries to crack down and restore order, it will be accused of establishing totalitarian control.
I try not to be pessimistic, but if Brevik is seen as a hero by so many people, it causes me a great deal of concern. Christ, they’ll be targeting nurseries next…
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wrenchwench Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:21:51am |
re: #319 Gus 802
We have no takers! Who will win a years supply of Eskimo Pies™.
FBV in the house? //
Are you trying to get someone to say “Richard Dreyfus”?
/watching the Spy…
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:22:57am |
re: #323 wrenchwench
Are you trying to get someone to say “Richard Dreyfus”?
/watching the Spy…
Yes! Now… Devil’s Tower and…
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wrenchwench Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:23:25am |
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garhighway Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:23:36am |
If Boehner was a patriot, he would ditch the TP folks and craft something that would appeal to the centrists. BHO has already moved that way by putting things on the table that his left wing hates. Between the two of them they could get this done in the center and leave the fringes behind.
This is a test, and Boehner’s flunking.
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Ericus58 Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:23:45am |
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kirkspencer Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:24:04am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:24:50am |
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jamesfirecat Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:25:25am |
re: #315 brennant
Amazing. Now they support terrorism.
It all about supporting “the right” kind of terrorism.
Case in point…
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wrenchwench Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:25:26am |
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wrenchwench Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:26:37am |
re: #329 Cannadian Club Akbar
Start at #275
Richard Dreyfus playing with mashed potatoes in his living room in … that movie…
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:27:45am |
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Lidane Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:29:26am |
re: #281 darthstar
Okay…pretty interesting diary at dKos calling out Beck and the pro-Breivik crowd that follows him. All screenshots (this is one)are from Beck’s blog, The Blaze…
[Link: www.dailykos.com…]Really. How he keeps his radio show is beyond me.
That DKos diary should be Paged here if it hasn’t been already. Very well written, IMO. People need to see it.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:30:32am |
re: #322 ralphieboy
There might be some copycats but I don’t think it’s going to be a widespread problem.
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Lidane Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:34:06am |
re: #309 Killgore Trout
Nearly all the comments are supporting the killer.
Of course they are. He killed a bunch of liberals and he speaks their language of resentment. If he’d bombed a mosque as well, they’d be nominating him for the Nobel Peace Prize and calling him a hero.
If he’d just published his manifiesto, he would have earned a Fox News job and a book deal.
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Lidane Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:35:45am |
re: #315 brennant
Amazing. Now they support terrorism.
Only Muslims are terrorists. If a white, blue-eyed blonde guy does it in the name of killing liberals and Muslims, it’s “counter-jihad”.
///
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:36:58am |
re: #337 Killgore Trout
There might be some copycats but I don’t think it’s going to be a widespread problem.
I am more concerned about the reaction if there were to be another major Islamist terror attack on US soil: every borderline nutjob out there would feel justified or even compelled to go and engage in “pre-emptive counter-jihad insurgency measures” and start gunning down everything that looked suspicious.
After all, we have already seen that all it took was Charles and LGF defecting to the left in 2007 to set of Brevik…
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:38:32am |
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:39:01am |
The Devil’s Tower potato sculpture from Close Encounters of the Third Kind…
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Lidane Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:41:11am |
re: #340 ralphieboy
I am more concerned about the reaction if there were to be another major Islamist terror attack on US soil: every borderline nutjob out there would feel justified or even compelled to go and engage in “pre-emptive counter-jihad insurgency measures” and start gunning down everything that looked suspicious.
Just wait until next November. If Obama gets a second term, I fully expect some of these people to start shooting. No, I’m not kidding.
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:42:44am |
Close encounters of the AT&T crappy 3G network kind. (*#$&%@!*@&$#!
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thedopefishlives Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:45:50am |
re: #344 Gus 802
Close encounters of the AT&T crappy 3G network kind. (*#$&%@!*@&$#!
And this is what I’ll have to look forward to if they acquire T-Mobile. Uhhh, yay?
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:52:07am |
re: #345 thedopefishlives
And this is what I’ll have to look forward to if they acquire T-Mobile. Uhhh, yay?
It’s been dropping to “low” and “very low” all morning. Plus my phone has 2 bars out of 4. And I’m only 23 miles from Silicon Valley! Probably closer. Yeah, they suck IMO. They suck big time considering how much they make and then put back into their infrastructure.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:55:46am |
Meanwhile, in the real world, Obama’s justice department keeps beating the shit out of terrorists, this time in regards to terrorist funding. As much as I think the drug war is stupid, this sort of bust is much needed.
Federal prosecutors unsealed indictments against four people accused of aiding Hezbollah and the Taliban in a case that authorities say shows the “nexus” between terrorism and the drug trade.
All three arrests occurred on Monday, the day President Barack Obama unveiled a Transnational Organized Crime initiative that Manhattan U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara said will significantly expand anti-narcotics operations in the criminal justice system.
“The long arm of the law has to get even longer,” Bharara told reporters.
Ironically, both announcements also fell on the same day the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People passed a resolution calling to end the War on Drugs.
According to the indictment, confidential sources within the Drug Enforcement Agency ensnared the three men in an elaborate sting operation trailing them across several countries.
Siavosh Henareh (aka Siyavesh Henareh aka the Doctor) met with DEA agents in Turkey, Romania and Greece last summer. The agents allegedly told Henareh that they wanted hundreds of kilograms of high-quality heroin to fund weapons for Hezbollah.
Henareh allegedly introduced the agents to Bachar Wehbe (aka Farez) and Cetin Aksu for later meetings in Romania, Cyprus and Malaysia.
On June 13, 2011, Wehbe and Aksu allegedly signed a $9.5 million contract to sell the agents 48 surface-to-air missiles, 5,000 AK-47s and thousands of M4 rifles and Glock handguns. They were arrested in Bucharest, Romania.
So why aren’t the wingnuts praising this?
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:56:59am |
Q.E.D.: legalize drugs and disarm the terrorists…
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:57:06am |
re: #345 thedopefishlives
I work right in the middle of a T-Mobile dead zone (possibly just a dead zone in general - there’s an alleged “glue factory” nearby that could just as easily be a mass grave, judging by the aroma) and as soon as I get to work, my phone fluctuates between hpsa+, 3g, 2g, and no signal at all. I consider it a dress rehearsal for the takeover.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:58:32am |
re: #347 Obdicut
Two things that changed everything again: Obama’s election and (for some) 22/7.
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:58:36am |
Fjordman makes CNN.
Suspect admired bloggers who believe Europe is drowning in Muslims
Breivik regularly applauded a writer who goes by the name of Fjordman on the site, one of whose contributions, from 2007, reads: “When the Swedish welfare state collapses, the immigrants who lose their payments will have to go somewhere. Denmark will probably be fairly successful at keeping them out. A lot of them will migrate to Norway, some will move to Germany and the Netherlands, and some will probably end up in Eastern Europe.”
Breivik also praised Fjordman’s book, “Defeating Eurabia,” describing it as “the perfect Christmas gift for family and friends.”
The book contends that Europe is being overrun by Muslims — and that its governing class is complicit in this surrender. “According to some, one out of three babies born in France is a Muslim,” Fjordman writes.
“Hundreds of Muslim ghettos already de facto follow sharia, not French law. Some believe France will quietly become a Muslim country, while others predict a civil war in the near future.”
Fjordman has never advocated violence and has condemned Breivik’s actions, posting on Gates of Vienna: “Any person doing such a thing is a monster. He murdered dozens of people in cold blood and injured countless others, mentally or physically.”
Efforts by CNN to identify Fjordman have been unsuccessful.
Fjordman… Format C:
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:59:53am |
re: #351 Gus 802
Fjordman makes CNN.
Suspect admired bloggers who believe Europe is drowning in Muslims
Fjordman… Format C:
I’m more than sure he has already been interviewed by the police. For all we know, probably contacted them himself.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:00:41am |
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:00:58am |
re: #347 Obdicut
On June 13, 2011, Wehbe and Aksu allegedly signed a $9.5 million contract to sell the agents 48 surface-to-air missiles, 5,000 AK-47s and thousands of M4 rifles and Glock handguns.
I’ve got $10,000 Standard Galactic Credits that says at least some of that stuff found its way into the black market by vectors like “Eric Cartman” and other shady contractors we paid to rip us off in Iraq.
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wrenchwench Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:01:08am |
re: #352 Sergey Romanov
I’m more than sure he has already been interviewed by the police. For all we know, probably contacted them himself.
He would if he’s smart. Jury’s still out on that one.
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:01:35am |
re: #352 Sergey Romanov
I’m more than sure he has already been interviewed by the police. For all we know, probably contacted them himself.
He’s on vacation holiday. Here’s one of his vacation photos…
//
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Lidane Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:01:48am |
re: #347 Obdicut
Meanwhile, in the real world, Obama’s justice department keeps beating the shit out of terrorists, this time in regards to terrorist funding. As much as I think the drug war is stupid, this sort of bust is much needed.
[Link: www.courthousenews.com…]
So why aren’t the wingnuts praising this?
Obama’s a Seekrit Mooslim from Kenya.
FALSE FLAG! FALSE FLAG!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:03:31am |
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:05:30am |
There was a terrorist party in Egypt this week…
Egypt Hosts Hizbullah-Muslim Brotherhood Terror Axis Meeting
Egypt this week hosted a “resistance” conference attended by the Muslim Brotherhood, Hizbullah and Palestinian Authority terrorist groups. They discussed linking the Arab Spring uprisings with demands of the Palestinian Authority.
The two-day convention at the Egyptian Press Syndicate was held under the lofty name of the “Founding Conference of the Arab-Islamic Gathering to Support the Option of Resistance,” according to The Meir Amit Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center.
Delegates from 14 countries joined the meeting, including those from Saudi Arabia, Tunisia, Turkey, Iran, Indonesia, Morocco, Sudan and Jordan. The terrorist groups from the Palestinian Authority were not named but probably include Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the Al Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigade, the military arm of the Fatah movement headed by PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas.
Representatives also came from the Muslim Brotherhood, which spawned the Hamas terrorist organization and which has gained significant influence in Egypt since the ouster of former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak earlier this year.
A delegate from Hizbullah spoke in the name of its supreme leader, Hassan Nasrallah, Arab news agencies reported.
The conference attempted to establish a link between the so-called “resistance,” the Arab code word for terrorism, and the Arab Spring uprisings.
Osama Hamdan, responsible for Hamas’ international relations, said that “the [Israeli-Palestinian] conflict will never end unless Israel ceases to exist.”
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wrenchwench Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:08:50am |
re: #351 Gus 802
Fjordman makes CNN.
Suspect admired bloggers who believe Europe is drowning in Muslims
Fjordman… Format C:
From there:
On his blog Sultan Knish, Daniel Greenfield says that “trying to apply rational standards to Breivik is futile. Like many killers he was of above average intelligence, but below average sanity. Remove the politics, and Breivik fits the profile of most spree killers. He was angry at society, a loner …”Another conservative blogger, Mark Steyn, agrees. In a blog entitled “Islamophobia and Mass Murder” for the National Review Online, he argues that attaching the far-right tag to Breivik is pointless.
“This man Breivik may think he’s making history and bestriding the geopolitical currents and the clash of civilizations, but in the end he went and shot up his neighbors. Why let his self-aggrandizing bury the reality?” Steyn wrote Monday.
So Breivik’s 1500 page manifesto has nothing to do with his motivations. It’s just ‘self-aggrandizing’. Which, if you think about it, means Steyn thinks it makes Breivik look good. Which, if you know Steyn, makes sense.
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Kronocide Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:14:29am |
Steyn and Greenberg FAIL.
Mark Steyn fears the platform for debate will actually shrink as a result of Breivik’s rampage. “Free societies can survive the occasional Breivik,” he wrote in a post Monday for the National Review Online. “If Norway responds to this as the Left appears to wish, by shriveling even further the bounds of public discourse, freedom will have a tougher time.”
I see. The ‘Left’ wants to shrink discourse, an implied threat is that there will be more Breiviks if discourse is pinched. No mention of holding the Right accountable for their part of the discourse. Tortured logic.
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Lidane Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:17:02am |
re: #360 wrenchwench
From there:
So Breivik’s 1500 page manifesto has nothing to do with his motivations. It’s just ‘self-aggrandizing’. Which, if you think about it, means Steyn thinks it makes Breivik look good. Which, if you know Steyn, makes sense.
Right wing bloggers are either defending the guy’s motives while decrying his actions or are desperately trying to disown this guy from the hate-filled rhetoric they’ve specialized in for the last decade while their comments show that their readers SUPPORT the killer.
It’s been amazing to watch all the pretzel logic on display. And for people who talk a lot of shit about personal responsibility, the right wing blogs have an amazing talent for saying they’re not to blame for feeding this guy’s ideology, even though it’s on damn near every page of his manifesto.
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Lidane Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:20:45am |
re: #361 BigPapa
The ‘Left’ wants to shrink discourse, an implied threat is that there will be more Breiviks if discourse is pinched. No mention of holding the Right accountable for their part of the discourse. Tortured logic.
It’s been right-wing tortured logic for decades. It’s an offshoot of the debate over PC language. “The Left” gets blamed for every social ill and every terrorist act and every bad thing on the planet while the right wing blogs get to call liberals evil and Nazis and traitors and enemies of freedom with impunity.
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wrenchwench Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:21:46am |
re: #362 Lidane
Right wing bloggers are either defending the guy’s motives while decrying his actions or are desperately trying to disown this guy from the hate-filled rhetoric they’ve specialized in for the last decade while their comments show that their readers SUPPORT the killer.
It’s been amazing to watch all the pretzel logic on display. And for people who talk a lot of shit about personal responsibility, the right wing blogs have an amazing talent for saying they’re not to blame for feeding this guy’s ideology, even though it’s on damn near every page of his manifesto.
I keep thinking about the DHS report on domestic terrorism, and realize there was no way it could have been presented that wouldn’t have drawn wingnut fury. Which is why it was not meant for public consumption, I’m sure.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:22:02am |
Oslo Killer Emailed Plan to More Than 1000 People One Hour Before Massacre
That bloody bastard Anders Breivik sent his plan to kill people in Oslo and Utoya to more than one thousand recipients one hour and 17 minutes before the first explosion. His deadly spam even contained a 1500-page attachment.
The list of recipients go from Norwegian ex-congressman Jan Simonesen to about 250 anti-islamic grous in the United Kingdom, Jewish anti-Muslim Sweden Democrat Isaac Nygren, and a Tanguys Veys, an extreme right Belgian politician.
The email—which the sicko described as “a gift” to Western Europe patriots—was sent at 2:09PM local time. It contained a 1500-page manifesto called “2.083. An European Declaration of Independence” as an attached file, as well as a link to a YouTube video that hasn’t been disclosed yet.
In his manifesto the killer details how he planned and prepared the bombs and the island killings. There were no details about the location of the explosions, however.
He also said that he planned to escape police custody after the killings to go for a second massacre. Finally, he asked the recipients “to distribute it to everyone [they] know.”
So not only the bastard is a bloody killer but a bloody spammer as well. At least the manifesto attachment wasn’t a PowerPoint, but a PDF file.
Did anyone who got that email warn the police?
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thedopefishlives Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:23:42am |
re: #366 NJDhockeyfan
Oslo Killer Emailed Plan to More Than 1000 People One Hour Before Massacre
Did anyone who got that email warn the police?
Actually, with a 1500-page PDF attachment and over 1000 recipients, it’s possible no one even received it before the event actually occurred. That’s a metric assload of data.
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Lidane Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:24:47am |
re: #367 thedopefishlives
Actually, with a 1500-page PDF attachment and over 1000 recipients, it’s possible no one even received it before the event actually occurred. That’s a metric assload of data.
True.
What will be interesting is the list of names he e-mailed that manifesto to. Apart from the media, who did he consider important enough to send that document to?
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:26:20am |
re: #368 Lidane
True.
What will be interesting is the list of names he e-mailed that manifesto to. Apart from the media, who did he consider important enough to send that document to?
He thinks himself so importan he probably emailed it to all the heads-of-state in Europe and their heads of military.
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wrenchwench Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:26:38am |
re: #367 thedopefishlives
Actually, with a 1500-page PDF attachment and over 1000 recipients, it’s possible no one even received it before the event actually occurred. That’s a metric assload of data.
Thanks for expressing my first thought in a more colorful manner.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:27:25am |
re: #366 NJDhockeyfan
Oslo Killer Emailed Plan to More Than 1000 People One Hour Before Massacre
Did anyone who got that email warn the police?
I don’t think there was enough time for the people who got it an hour before the attack. He’s been working on this for a long time, the people who had time to read it or helped him with proofreading/editing will have to answer some questions.
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wrenchwench Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:27:51am |
re: #369 ggt
He thinks himself so importan he probably emailed it to all the heads-of-state in Europe and their heads of military.
From the article:
The list of recipients go from Norwegian ex-congressman Jan Simonesen to about 250 anti-islamic grous in the United Kingdom, Jewish anti-Muslim Sweden Democrat Isaac Nygren, and a Tanguys Veys, an extreme right Belgian politician.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:27:58am |
Has anyone figured-out his IQ?
We keep hearing he is intelligent, but how intelligent.
The super-smart sometimes seem to think themselves “god-like” (Assange). ABB seems to be following that MO.
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sagehen Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:28:21am |
re: #291 Cannadian Club Akbar
How many divorced men does it take to change a lightbulb?
If he knew how to change a lightbulb, maybe he wouldn’t be divorced.
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:30:06am |
re: #359 NJDhockeyfan
There was a terrorist party in Egypt this week…
Egypt Hosts Hizbullah-Muslim Brotherhood Terror Axis Meeting
My only comment would be that that should probably read Hizbullah-Muslim Brotherhood Terror Axis Meeting hosted in Egypt. Right now it makes it seem as though it was an official meeting. The meeting was held, according to that Arutz Sheva report in the Egyptian Press Syndicate.
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ProBosniaLiberal Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:30:40am |
re: #372 wrenchwench
And the small amount of strength the Swedish Democrats has will begin to wither.
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Lidane Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:31:40am |
re: #371 Killgore Trout
He’s been working on this for a long time, the people who had time to read it or helped him with proofreading/editing will have to answer some questions.
Most notably, why the hell didn’t they warn anyone or try to stop him?
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:32:11am |
re: #377 Lidane
Most notably, why the hell didn’t they warn anyone or try to stop him?
We know he had help writing it?
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Lidane Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:33:46am |
re: #378 ggt
We know he had help writing it?
I don’t know. But if he DID have help, then the people who knew about this manifesto and didn’t do anything to stop him or to warn people have blood on their hands.
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thedopefishlives Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:34:46am |
re: #377 Lidane
Most notably, why the hell didn’t they warn anyone or try to stop him?
Likely, anyone he chose to help him with proofing/editing (assuming he made use of outside sources for this, which is debatable) would have been cut from the same cloth. It’d be worth trying to track them down if it became known that he didn’t compose this epic all by himself.
As for prior knowledge, in addition to the huge volume of data that would need to go out in only an hour’s time, there is also the presumption that there was someone within helping distance who happened to be checking their email, received the missive, and was able to decipher it beforehand. Assuming he didn’t write the text of his email as “BRB going to Oslo to kill people and break things”, that could have taken a while.
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kirkspencer Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:35:51am |
re: #373 ggt
Has anyone figured-out his IQ?
We keep hearing he is intelligent, but how intelligent.
The super-smart sometimes seem to think themselves “god-like” (Assange). ABB seems to be following that MO.
I think he’s above average just due to his writing style — word choice, phraseology, etc.
What I got to wondering about, however, is his wealth. Who is this man who could afford to do all this without a successful business? He mentions dropping almost a quarter million on this in the last couple of years.re: #378 ggt
We know he had help writing it?
He posted on GoV that he had a large book he wanted fjordman to review, and fjordman said on those same posts it sounded interesting and he’d get in touch.
That is why, by the way, I find fjordman’s current denials of ever talking to him so interesting. I suspect this story is far from over.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:36:18am |
re: #379 Lidane
I don’t know. But if he DID have help, then the people who knew about this manifesto and didn’t do anything to stop him or to warn people have blood on their hands.
I’m interesting in learning about the “two other cells”. For some reason, I think they are fictitious. Someone he corresponded with and shared ideas maybe, but deluded himself into thinking the were part of “his” cause.
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thedopefishlives Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:36:53am |
re: #381 kirkspencer
He posted on GoV that he had a large book he wanted fjordman to review, and fjordman said on those same posts it sounded interesting and he’d get in touch.
That is why, by the way, I find fjordman’s current denials of ever talking to him so interesting. I suspect this story is far from over.
Reeeally now. That’s a very interesting little tidbit I don’t think has been covered. Would someone with a little more research time be able to dig this exchange out?
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Kragar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:37:47am |
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:37:50am |
re: #381 kirkspencer
I think he’s above average just due to his writing style — word choice, phraseology, etc.
What I got to wondering about, however, is his wealth. Who is this man who could afford to do all this without a successful business? He mentions dropping almost a quarter million on this in the last couple of years.re: #378 ggt
He posted on GoV that he had a large book he wanted fjordman to review, and fjordman said on those same posts it sounded interesting and he’d get in touch.
That is why, by the way, I find fjordman’s current denials of ever talking to him so interesting. I suspect this story is far from over.
I saw somewhere he had a net worth of $78K.
He said he made a lot of money in Stocks?
I don’t think $78K sounds like a lot of money for someone trying to “correct” his world. In the US it wouldn’t begin to cover lawyer fees.
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Lidane Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:38:16am |
re: #380 thedopefishlives
Right. Which is why sending the manifesto out to 1,000 people an hour before he attacked isn’t that surprising.
Once we eliminate heads of state, media, and political figures he might have admired, what’s left are bloggers and random people he thought were important enough to receive his manifesto. Those are the people the police will be interested in. What did they know and when did they know it?
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laZardo Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:38:55am |
Morning folks.
Any reason for me to be a little less bummed out about everything today?
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Lidane Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:39:18am |
re: #384 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Geller Says Norway Attacks Made Her A Victim Of A ‘Blood Libel’
Sorry, Pam. Sarah Palin already tried that line a few months ago.
In your case, Breivik liked your work and agreed with you about Muslims, liberals, and multiculturalism. He’s your fanboy. Deal with it.
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thedopefishlives Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:39:39am |
re: #384 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Geller Says Norway Attacks Made Her A Victim Of A ‘Blood Libel’
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:39:41am |
re: #381 kirkspencer
“He posted on GoV that he had a large book he wanted fjordman to review, and fjordman said on those same posts it sounded interesting and he’d get in touch”
In ABB’s mind this could what he meant by “cells”.
Just because he said he was working with other people doesn’t mean the other people thought so.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:39:55am |
re: #381 kirkspencer
To repeat an observation I’ve already made, I’m more than sure that he didn’t send anything incriminating to Fjordman. He did not plan this for 9 years only to risk exposure at the last moment. I don’t doubt he might have sent an expurgated version (about which he writes in the book).
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sagehen Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:40:54am |
re: #322 ralphieboy
I try not to be pessimistic, but if Brevik is seen as a hero by so many people, it causes me a great deal of concern. Christ, they’ll be targeting nurseries next…
oh, that already happened
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:41:03am |
re: #384 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Geller Says Norway Attacks Made Her A Victim Of A ‘Blood Libel’
Oh boy.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:42:32am |
Also note that the version he wanted to send out was 1100 pages.
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kirkspencer Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:42:37am |
re: #391 Sergey Romanov
To repeat an observation I’ve already made, I’m more than sure that he didn’t send anything incriminating to Fjordman. He did not plan this for 9 years only to risk exposure at the last moment. I don’t doubt he might have sent an expurgated version (about which he writes in the book).
Yes, I do agree with that. I’d expect he sent one of the first two “books” of the package.
At the least he’d have left out the log - the 80 day countdown to a mass murder event.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:43:11am |
I get the idea that this guy is so whacked that if he truly tried to work with other people, they would quickly realize he wasn’t a good partner. At best he would be a useful idiot.
He could control how he presented himself on the internet, but In Real Life, probably not so much.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:44:32am |
re: #387 laZardo
Morning folks.
Any reason for me to be a little less bummed out about everything today?
We’ve been overcast and a bit cooler in the Very Far Western Parts of Chicagoland. It makes me feel a bit less bummed.
Perhaps it has spread over the intertoobs to your part of the world.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:44:52am |
re: #384 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Geller Says Norway Attacks Made Her A Victim Of A ‘Blood Libel’
And yet she has no compunction about projecting the blame on to Charles.
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:45:40am |
Czech police investigate text defending Breivik
PRAGUE (AP) — Czech police say they are analyzing a posting on a Web site used by local far right extremists that celebrates the twin attacks in Norway.The text called “The Defense of Anders Breivik,” the suspect in Friday’s attacks that left at least 76 dead, says his actions were understandable because of the rise of multiculturalism in his country.
The posting on the White Media Web site says “Thank you, brother.” It claims Breivik “inspired many others who are ready to devote their life to the fight at the end of which Europe will become strong, healthy, clean, vital, prosperous and safe.”
Police spokeswoman Veronika Hodacova said Wednesday an information crime unit is analyzing whether the posting has violated any laws. It is not immediately clear who wrote the text.
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thedopefishlives Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:46:03am |
re: #398 Alouette
And yet she has no compunction about projecting the blame on to Charles.
Because Charles is the Great Stan, don’tcha know.
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thedopefishlives Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:46:55am |
re: #401 Shropshire_Slasher
whos stan?
We need to bring back the LGF Dictionary. Stan is an old typo for Satan.
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Flounder Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:48:21am |
re: #402 thedopefishlives
I remember going thru that, but don’t remember Stan.
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wrenchwench Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:50:02am |
re: #398 Alouette
And yet she has no compunction about projecting the blame on to Charles.
That’s just an electronic libel. Nothing to see here….
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:51:47am |
re: #406 sattv4u2
Did you finally get rid of your headache?
Yeah, thanks for askin!
Moving around and allergy meds did the trick.
How you doin’?
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Kragar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:52:44am |
re: #398 Alouette
And yet she has no compunction about projecting the blame on to Charles.
“We did nothing wrong, but we say Charles never apologized for something, so he obviously drove this guy over the edge. By the way, we completely agree with everything that Breivik said, even if he did take it a bit too far. Plus it was a false flag and he’s a noble freedom fighter.”
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:52:45am |
On the lighter side, puppy figured-out how to counter-surf this morning. One tube of lipstick destroyed. Almost got a cell phone too!
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:53:05am |
re: #407 ggt
Yeah, thanks for askin!
Moving around and allergy meds did the trick.
How you doin’?
Getting ready to start my “weekend’
I get out of work in about an hour. Don’t have to be back till very late Saturday night
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:53:37am |
re: #408 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
“We did nothing wrong, but we say Charles never apologized for something, so he obviously drove this guy over the edge. By the way, we completely agree with everything that Breivik said, even if he did take it a bit too far. Plus it was a false flag and he’s a noble freedom fighter.”
It’s a print!
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lawhawk Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:53:44am |
Geez, how much more attention do people want to give James O’Keefe? Now, it’s the NYT Magazine giving him a full profile.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:53:45am |
re: #410 sattv4u2
Getting ready to start my “weekend’
I get out of work in about an hour. Don’t have to be back till very late Saturday night
That’s an extended weekend!
enjoy.
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Lidane Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:53:56am |
re: #400 thedopefishlives
Because Charles is the Great Stan, don’tcha know.
With Charles as the Great Green Satan and DKos as the Great Orange Satan, things are getting colorful on the intertubez.
Heh.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:54:18am |
re: #412 lawhawk
Geez, how much more attention do people want to give James O’Keefe? Now, it’s the NYT Magazine giving him a full profile.
parity with Michael Moore.
Anything that sells.
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:56:48am |
re: #416 ggt
parity with Michael Moore.
Anything that sells.
Maybe we can send James O’Keefe to Cuba.
//
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sattv4u2 Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:57:14am |
re: #413 ggt
That’s an extended weekend!
enjoy.
Not really
Been here over 12 hours already today, so when I get home I’ll take a 6-7 hour nap, so today is shot
The come Saturday, i’ll have to sleep 4-5 (or longer) hours before I come in, so anything I want to do Saturday has to be done by about 4 pm!!
oh ,, joy
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:59:08am |
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:00:09am |
America singer Dan Peek dies aged 60
Folk rock musician Dan Peek, who sang lead vocals with the band America, has died at his home in Missouri aged 60.
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Lidane Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:00:09am |
re: #417 Gus 802
Maybe we can send James O’Keefe to Cuba.
//
Send him to Venezuela. Let him try one of his stings against Chavez so he can see how good he has it here in the States.
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:01:08am |
re: #421 Lidane
Send him to Venezuela. Let him try one of his stings against Chavez so he can see how good he has it here in the States.
O’Keefe in Venezuela: The Final Chapter //
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Lidane Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:02:29am |
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:03:37am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:05:21am |
Whew. Finished reading the first Megrahi verdict. Very weak. Gauci’s testimony is the glue that holds it together, and Gauci turned out not to be a credible witness, as even the official who started the Lockerbie prosecutions later admitted (this is even not taking into account that depending on a single witness is problematic in itself, and especially so when this witness contradicts himself and does not fully recognize the accused).
What was interesting to me is that Megrahi’s defense did not simply try to punch holes in the Crown’s case, but also introduced another theory - that the bombing was the doing of Palestinian terrorist orgs “Palestinian Popular Struggle Front” and “Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine”, and specifically of Abo (Abu) Talb. Also interesting is that at one time, as recounted in the verdict, Gauci actually recognized Abu Talb as the man who bought the clothes from him. Although the judges pooh-poohed the defense’s evidence against PPSF, I think it is a viable alternative.
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thedopefishlives Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:06:11am |
re: #425 Gus 802
Hackers are so naive. They think they’ll never get caught.
They think they’re the best out there. Unfortunately for them, there is usually someone on the other end of the line who is at least as good as they are. The only differentiating factor is the layers of red tape the police have to go through.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:07:02am |
Norwegian killer causes Putin potential embarrassment
Norwegian killer Anders Behring Breivik has caused potential embarrassment for Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin by describing him as worthy of respect and one of the two men he would most like to meet.
Putin’s spokesman dismissed the comments as the “ravings of a lunatic” and a pro-Kremlin youth group distanced itself from Breivik after it was also praised in a manifesto he wrote before Friday’s bombing and shooting spree.
But the remarks have started making waves on the blogosphere and the Russian social networking site Vkontakte, which resembles Facebook, said it had blocked access to a friend group that had voiced support for Breivik.
Putin’s spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, was quoted by newspaper Kommersant as saying Breivik “was the devil incarnate”.
“He is absolutely insane and, no matter what he wrote or said, these are the ravings of a lunatic,” he said. He could not immediately be reached for comment by Reuters on Tuesday.
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:08:32am |
Coffee machines: how do they work? Water goes in. Coffee comes out.
Sometimes I forget to put the water in. D’oh!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:10:00am |
re: #427 Sergey Romanov
And more from wiki:
In Talb’s apartment in Uppsala, the police also found a 1988 calendar with the date “21 December” circled. In addition, Talb’s wife was recorded in a wiretapped telephone call warning another unidentified Palestinian to “get rid of the clothes immediately.” Talb denied he was involved in the bombing and said his trip to Malta was for “business”.
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Ericus58 Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:10:10am |
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Kragar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:10:33am |
Maniac planned ‘bonus’ massacre
Breivik, 32, described a detailed “survival kit” which he planned to hide so it would be there for him when he escaped.
It was to include weapons, ammunition, stimulants and money.
The manifesto read: “In a scenario where one can manage to break out of prison, this equipment will enable you to execute a second bonus mission.”
His sick plot included naming his potential secondary victims in an attempt to change their political allegiances before he killed them at one of a selection of high-profile targets.
“The list of names should include a disclaimer which explains that they [the named politicians] could be removed [from the list] if they only step away from pro-islamisation.”
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:10:55am |
re: #426 Lidane
Jim DeMint Addresses the Masses
Heh.
Reminds me of the Code Pink and Cindy Sheehan rallys… .
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:11:48am |
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:12:29am |
re: #435 ggt
Reminds me of the Code Pink and Cindy Sheehan rallys… .
Does it have women named Sister Starshine, Harvest Moon, and Sky?
//
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:12:55am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:13:11am |
The original suspect in the Lockerbie bombing does not have immunity from prosecution and could be charged with mass murder, it emerged yesterday.
The original suspect in the Lockerbie bombing does not have immunity from prosecution and could be charged with mass murder, it emerged yesterday.
Mohammed Abu Talb, a Palestinian now serving a life sentence in a Swedish jail for other explosive offences, was the chief suspect for the attack on PanAm flight 103 until 1990, when Libya became the focus of the inquiry.
(Interestingly, this life sentence was apparently ended in 2009, when Abu Talb was freed…)
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:14:31am |
re: #433 ggt
Tacitus’ theme was that of the “noble savage”: a people retaining those virtues that had been lost to Rome: honor, bravery, self-sacrifice, etc.
A common theme in which we use a distant exotic tribe as a screen to project our ideals of what we should be.
Tacitus in any case never visited Germania, he based his book on other accounts that have since been lost.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:15:39am |
If Megrahi didn’t do it, who did? Some time ago suspicion fell on a gang headed by a convicted Palestinian terrorist named Abu Talb and a Jordanian triple agent named Marwan Abdel Razzaq Khreesat. Both were Iranian agents; Khreesat was also on the CIA payroll. Abu Talb was given lifelong immunity from prosecution in exchange for his evidence at the Lockerbie trial; Marwan Khreesat was released for lack of evidence by German police even though a barometric timer of the type used to detonate the bomb on Pan Am Flight 103 was found in his car when he was arrested.
Three months after the bombing, Dumfries and Galloway police published a report on Lockerbie that concluded: “There can be little doubt that Khreesat is the bomb-maker for the [Palestinian group] PFLP-GC, and there is a possibility he prepared the explosive device which destroyed Pan Am Flight 103. As such he should not be at liberty.”
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sagehen Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:16:27am |
re: #387 laZardo
Morning folks.
Any reason for me to be a little less bummed out about everything today?
“Cowoys and Aliens” opens this weekend.
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laZardo Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:16:31am |
re: #434 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Why would he need to do that when he already beat the high score?
/yeah, not feeling particularly hopeful about humanity today either.
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laZardo Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:17:02am |
re: #443 sagehen
“Cowoys and Aliens” opens this weekend.
It was already open in one theater near my place as a special showing. >_> Watched Captain America because Cars 2 wasn’t showing. ;_;
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:17:33am |
Totally OT: I’m getting really sick of this facebook ad that promises you smarter kids if you give your kid their supplement.
To prove this, they show a toddler wrapping herself in toilet paper.
Why not playing violin or reading? I don’t want my kids to make big huge honking messes in the bathroom. They do that without any vitamins at all.
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thedopefishlives Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:17:40am |
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:19:47am |
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Gus Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:20:09am |
re: #446 EmmmieG
Totally OT: I’m getting really sick of this facebook ad that promises you smarter kids if you give your kid their supplement.
To prove this, they show a toddler wrapping herself in toilet paper.
Why not playing violin or reading? I don’t want my kids to make big huge honking messes in the bathroom. They do that without any vitamins at all.
Friend: Oh my daughter is a genius and very creative. Why just the other day she wrapped herself in toilet paper. It looked like a designer dress.
You: [Stares at friend.]
//
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:20:10am |
Could Lockerbie be Iran’s answer to Iran Air Flight 655? Yeah, I know, Lybia “accepted responsibility”, but it has always denied actual guilt, and paid to end the sanctions. I mean, Igor Sutyagin also signed an admission of guilt so he could be exchanged for the “Russian spies” last year, though in reality he himself wasn’t a spy of course.
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Lidane Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:20:30am |
re: #444 laZardo
Why would he need to do that when he already beat the high score?
/yeah, not feeling particularly hopeful about humanity today either.
Too bad Breivik couldn’t turn himself into an hero in the process. =P
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Kragar Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:20:40am |
re: #440 ralphieboy
Tacitus’ theme was that of the “noble savage”: a people retaining those virtues that had been lost to Rome: honor, bravery, self-sacrifice, etc.
A common theme in which we use a distant exotic tribe as a screen to project our ideals of what we should be.
Tacitus in any case never visited Germania, he based his book on other accounts that have since been lost.
Ever read Hans Delbruck’s “History of the Art of War”?
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Ericus58 Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:21:59am |
re: #446 EmmmieG
Totally OT: I’m getting really sick of this facebook ad that promises you smarter kids if you give your kid their supplement.
To prove this, they show a toddler wrapping herself in toilet paper.
Why not playing violin or reading? I don’t want my kids to make big huge honking messes in the bathroom. They do that without any vitamins at all.
This is what happens when you give the kid a vitamin:
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:23:27am |
re: #446 EmmmieG
Totally OT: I’m getting really sick of this facebook ad that promises you smarter kids if you give your kid their supplement.
To prove this, they show a toddler wrapping herself in toilet paper.
Why not playing violin or reading? I don’t want my kids to make big huge honking messes in the bathroom. They do that without any vitamins at all.
I have not yet seen a Facebook ad that I did not hate. I always click on the “x” and answer their survey of why I hated their ad. I pick “offensive” because SPAM is not an option.
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:25:20am |
re: #453 Ericus58
This is what happens when you give the kid a vitamin:
[Link: www.wimp.com…]
ooooooh, look at the beeebee!!!!
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FemNaziBitch Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:25:46am |
I’m tired of the ads that feature a website I just visited.
Give me something NEW!
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