Right Wing Reactions to the Terrorism in Norway

‘He attacked because it was a leftist indoctrination camp’
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Øyvind Strømmen (known to LGF readers as “oslogin”) tours the disturbing world of right wing “counter-jihad” blogs, following the terror attacks by Anders Behring Breivik: Journalist resource: Examples of extreme right reactions to terrorism in Norway.

Reactions range from desperate attempts to avoid responsibility, to outright admiration and support for the mass murderer. Just go read the whole thing (and note that at least two of the blogs cited in Øyvind’s report are also run by people who obsessively stalk LGF readers and me).

As we already know, Fjordman has eagerly tried to distance himself from the man he inspired. This is highly understandable, but it is worth noting that the terrorist had the exactly same ideas on Jens Stoltenberg and his dhimmitude as Fjordman put forth in one of the above comments, that Fjordman’s essays make up a very considerable part of the terrorist’s cut-and-paste-manifesto, and that Fjordman has indeed discussed with the perpetrator on document.no, in a discussion where Fjordman, not the terrorist, put forth the most obviously extreme rhetoric (see my previous blogpost in Norwegian).

Gates of Vienna has also tried to explain the focus on Fjordman and other leading “counterjihadists” as a “double standard”, and seems to believe that the fact that the mass murderer mentions the TV series Dexter twice in his manifesto, a couple of lines in total, is just as good a reason to point at that TV series as the fact that much of the manifesto is made up by Fjordman’s works is a reason pointing at him. Well, I don’t think they actually believe so. But it’s a handy excuse, I suppose. I do wonder how GoV would have related to such a claim from a radical imam after someone from his mosque had carried a violent attack.

No, let’s roll on to 1389 blog (the number refers to the Battle of Kosovo in 1389), who have been trying to explain a whole lot of things away these last few days, mostly through pointing at other blogs. Here we can learn that the Labour Party Youth summer camp at Utøya was not a children’s camp, but rather a camp of young adults. I do not really see the point, and it feels quite unnecessary to point out that many of the victims were minor. 1389 also considers it important to point out that the Labour Party Youth had a boycott Israel-”rally”. Once again, in spite of thinking that the idea of a boycott against Israel is terribly misguided, I do not really see the relevance. Is 1389 trying to say that the terrorism wasn’t that bad, then? 1389 quotes another blog:

After reading this lunatic’s manifesto, it became clear why he attacked this youth center. It was a Leftist indoctrination camp.

Let’s head on to that very blog, the group blog named Blogmocracy, and see how they interpreted the bombing attack in Oslo when it happened. They wrote:

The Norwegian government has lived up to its Quisling heritage. They have appeased Islamic aggression and allow Islamic colonialists to settle their nation. Despite this, a bomb attack on the main government building occurred in Oslo today. […]The Norwegian people need to get rid of their Leftist treasonous government and display some of that old viking blood. Appeasing Islamic aggression hasn’t work. It’s time for Norway to stand against Islamic Imperialism!

As it turned out, the terrorist – too – believed that the Norwegian government was treasonous. Now, of course, Blogmocracy too are trying to explain it all away.

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552 comments
1 Kragar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:54:29pm
3 TedStriker  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:56:23pm

Blogmocrats and 1389ers, with any luck, you'll be roasting in Hell with your pal ABB and his ilk before it's all over. Real POSs, y'all are...

4 Kragar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:59:50pm

They're scumballs

5 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:04:09pm

For some reason, oslogin's blog entry got garbled at "I’ve therefore col". I have the original post saved, though.

6 Political Atheist  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:13:01pm

Thanks oslogin for being willing to walk in the muck to bring this out in the light of day.

7 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:13:26pm

Awesome work oslogin.

8 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:16:48pm

You know normally right now I'd say something pithy, but you know what? Words fail me.

I spent two years of my life as a summer camp counselor, it was a boyscout camp in a heavily wooded area...

Not exactly island difficult to get to, but would provide a wonderful place for a jackass to go around shooting people and being difficult to with lots of places to hide.

Those of you who have any reaction beyond outright want to vomit with rage/fear revulsion at this mans actions... FUCK YOU!

9 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:17:29pm

re: #5 000G

For some reason, oslogin's blog entry got garbled at "I’ve therefore col". I have the original post saved, though.

How much is missing? There's a trackback at the top of the comments that has some of it excerpted.

10 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:24:24pm

If these armchair warriors were really inclined to take up arms against Islamist terrorism, their local armed forces recruiters would be happy to provide all the details. Even the Norwegian contingent can join, since the US is one of the few countries that will enlist non-citizens. You have to be qualified though; under 42, meet a minimal height/weight standard, no major criminal history, pass a simple written test, etc. Perhaps they don't meet the standards?

11 Stanghazi  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:25:45pm

Whoa. This is in some way what I imagined, but in my coherent mind thought they wouldn't go THIS far. Alas.

12 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:25:58pm

re: #9 wrenchwench

How much is missing? There's a trackback at the top of the comments that has some of it excerpted.

Quite a bit. Let me copypaste:

I’ve therefore collected a few of the reactions that came, both immediately – i.e. as the news of the bombing in Oslo reached the world, and after it was revealed that the terrorist was a right-wing extremist sharing most of their own beliefs. Journalists should feel free to use this as a resource in their further research. Obviously, I have only been visiting a few blog, and rather at random, starting at the blogroll of Gates of Vienna; a central blog in the world of “counter-jihadism”, and a blog where Fjordman – which the blogger describes as his favourite author – is an active contributor. The quoted blogs are written in various languages, and the quotes are left in their original language. More examples can easily be found by any journalist or researcher who takes the time to dig.

Let’s start with Gates of Vienna itself, the blog was liveblogging the terrorist attacks, as news came in. While their original post does note that the “source of the blast in unclear”, commenters on the site quickly concluded who had to be behind it, namely Islamist terrorists. Commenters on the site left comments such as these:


They should thank them for all the cultural enrichment!

Europe has been infested with venomous parasitic vermin. [linking to a list of Islamist terrorist attacks]

The TV news report here shows the interview of a Norwegian witness. I did not know Norwegians looked like Arabs.

Fjordman is also active in this debate and answers the last of those comments, in the following way:


In Oslo they do. Arabs, Kurds, Pakistanis, Somalis, you name it. Anything and everything is fine as long as they rape the natives and destroy the country, which they do.

In the post itself, he is quoted the following way:

“Please keep in mind that the left-wing government of Jens Stoltenberg that was just bombed is the most dhimmi appeasing of all Western governments, to the extent that this is humanly possible. They even wanted to fund Hamas openly a while ago. “The most suicidal and cowardly government in a country with no colonial history was just attacked. How do you explain that as a response to Western ‘aggression’?”

This is in itself an interesting comment. The word dhimmi is taken from Islamic teachings, and is used as a sort of codeword in the counterjihadi movement, their variant of the Neo-Nazi term ZOG (Zionist Occupational Government). Here, Fjordman says that prime minister Stoltenberg is essentially some sort of vassal to (the evil) Muslim overrule. Further comments at Gates of Vienna:

13 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:26:30pm
This was inevitable. Only a matter of time before other European nations get a taste of their multicultural tolerance that they’ve been cooking for decades.

Here is the report (in Norwegian) from the workshop at the Utøya summer Socialist youth camp on “Combating Xenophobia and Islamophobia.” Wow… talk about irony. I wonder if this experience may have an altering affect on the world views on some of the youth fortunate enough to survive?

The massacre at the children’s camp is a sickening reminder of just how evil and Satanic the cult of Islam is. The attack is reminiscent of the massacre at the Russian school, though in this case without the pedophile rapes and enforced urine drinking.

Later, of course, it was revealed that the terrorist was not at all a Muslim, but a right-wing extremist inspired by the counterjihadists himself. The comment field on this post becomes very silent. Then, as we already know, Fjordman has eagerly tried to distance himself from the man he inspired. This is highly understandable, but it is worth noting that the terrorist had the exactly same ideas on Jens Stoltenberg and his dhimmitude as Fjordman put forth in one of the above comments, that Fjordman’s essays make up a very considerable part of the terrorist’s cut-and-paste-manifesto, and that Fjordman has indeed discussed with the perpetrator on document.no, in a discussion where Fjordman, not the terrorist, put forth the most obviously extreme rhetoric

14 albusteve  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:28:48pm

re: #10 Shiplord Kirel

If these armchair warriors were really inclined to take up arms against Islamist terrorism, their local armed forces recruiters would be happy to provide all the details. Even the Norwegian contingent can join, since the US is one of the few countries that will enlist non-citizens. You have to be qualified though; under 42, meet a minimal height/weight standard, no major criminal history, pass a simple written test, etc. Perhaps they don't meet the standards?

I did not know that...thanks

15 M. Dubious  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:28:55pm

People should read the whole post - the comments that follow, from other blogs than the ones mentioned above, are probably the most disgusting comments I've read since this happened.

I really don't get what 1389 is trying to say. Is he saying he understands what went on in the killer's mind, or is is he somehow condoning it, because it was a "Leftist indoctrination camp"? I don't get it.

Most people from the center-right in Norway would probably have joked about the AUF summer camp at Utøya being a "leftist indoctrination camp" prior to 22/7, the reason being that the AUF-youth are usually considerably more radical than their mother party, but nobody is throwing those labels around now. That would not be in good taste.

As for the Blogmocrazy "Quisling heritage" claim - I assume that comment was written before it was clear that the terrorist was a blonde, native anti-islamic lunatic? I will forgive the bastards for getting it wrong right after it happened. We all did. Even our local muslims are on record saying they thought it was a jihadist too. But invoking Quisling and leftist treason right after the blast? Fuck them.

16 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:29:10pm

re: #12 000G

Thank you!

17 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:30:20pm

re: #16 wrenchwench

Thank you!

You're welcome.

18 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:31:20pm

re: #11 Stanley Sea

Whoa. This is in some way what I imagined, but in my coherent mind thought they wouldn't go THIS far. Alas.

Yeah, I thought this would be so abhorrent that Pam Geller, the EDL, etc would be ostracized. I thought Glenn Beck calling the child victims Hitler Youth might even get him fired but he hasn't even been forced to apologize. There's plenty of open support for the terrorist on Beck's Blaze site and from comments on "conservative blogs". I think this might end up being a turning point, not in a good way.

19 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:31:29pm

re: #10 Shiplord Kirel

If these armchair warriors were really inclined to take up arms against Islamist terrorism, their local armed forces recruiters would be happy to provide all the details. Even the Norwegian contingent can join, since the US is one of the few countries that will enlist non-citizens. You have to be qualified though; under 42, meet a minimal height/weight standard, no major criminal history, pass a simple written test, etc. Perhaps they don't meet the standards?

I'm not sure Islamist terrorism is where their true interest lies. I think they want to kill liberals. The US military would not condone that.

20 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:31:51pm

re: #18 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I thought this would be so abhorrent that Pam Geller, the EDL, etc would be ostracized. I thought Glenn Beck calling the child victims Hitler Youth might even get him fired but he hasn't even been forced to apologize. There's plenty of open support for the terrorist on Beck's Blaze site and from comments on "conservative blogs". I think this might end up being a turning point, not in a good way.

I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.

21 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:32:17pm

re: #10 Shiplord Kirel

If these armchair warriors were really inclined to take up arms against Islamist terrorism, their local armed forces recruiters would be happy to provide all the details. Even the Norwegian contingent can join, since the US is one of the few countries that will enlist non-citizens. You have to be qualified though; under 42, meet a minimal height/weight standard, no major criminal history, pass a simple written test, etc. Perhaps they don't meet the standards?

I don't know about Norwegians, but as a German I am legally prohibited from serving in foreign armies. IIRC, that has to do with this…

22 albusteve  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:33:39pm

re: #18 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I thought this would be so abhorrent that Pam Geller, the EDL, etc would be ostracized. I thought Glenn Beck calling the child victims Hitler Youth might even get him fired but he hasn't even been forced to apologize. There's plenty of open support for the terrorist on Beck's Blaze site and from comments on "conservative blogs". I think this might end up being a turning point, not in a good way.

there will be a showdown...whether you see it coming or not...it's inevitable, fueled by hate

23 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:35:39pm

Why is apocalyptical thinking always so damn wishful?

24 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:36:50pm

re: #15 harald

I really don't get what 1389 is trying to say. Is he saying he understands what went on in the killer's mind, or is is he somehow condoning it, because it was a "Leftist indoctrination camp"? I don't get it.

I do.

25 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:37:03pm

It's been nauseating seeing those reactions. Makes me yearn for the days where they just claimed any terrorist was a person of the left and they still condemned the act.

26 Henchman 25  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:37:37pm

re: #23 000G

I'm guessing the delight in murdering people you don't agree with, without repercussions. Or something.

27 Lidane  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:37:41pm

re: #18 Killgore Trout

I think this might end up being a turning point, not in a good way.

Pardon my cynicism, but it's not a turning point at all. These sentiments are not new. They're just more obvious now in the age of the internet.

28 Stanghazi  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:39:11pm

re: #18 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I thought this would be so abhorrent that Pam Geller, the EDL, etc would be ostracized. I thought Glenn Beck calling the child victims Hitler Youth might even get him fired but he hasn't even been forced to apologize. There's plenty of open support for the terrorist on Beck's Blaze site and from comments on "conservative blogs". I think this might end up being a turning point, not in a good way.

Oh the humanity.

They've lost it just to hold onto their twisted ideology. Again, it's all about winning and being right. Fucked up situation going on.

Fitting.

29 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:40:33pm

re: #27 Lidane

Pardon my cynicism, but it's not a turning point at all. These sentiments are not new. They're just more obvious now in the age of the internet.

qft

I would only add, it's just more immediate in the age of the internet. Last time I remember tensions being this palatable was as a kid in white con California suburbs. Everything has changed, and nothing has changed.

30 M. Dubious  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:42:01pm

re: #24 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I do.

Help me out then.

31 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:43:29pm

re: #27 Lidane

Pardon my cynicism, but it's not a turning point at all. These sentiments are not new. They're just more obvious now in the age of the internet.

Yes, but because of the internet and modern media they're also feeding on themselves more than ever before. Cf. publicityStunted's excellent reference to stochastic terrorism.

32 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:44:32pm

re: #27 Lidane

Pardon my cynicism, but it's not a turning point at all. These sentiments are not new. They're just more obvious now in the age of the internet.

Well, I do think it's a new step. First they were against radical Islamic terrorism. When we found out there were various Nazis and Eurofascists involved they denied it at first. Eventually they openly embraced Nazi groups and ethnic nationalism. Then they started demonizing their political enemies. Now they're openly supporting terrorism and killing the children of their political opponents.
That's one hell of a change in mentality from the original purpose of opposing Islamic terrorism. I really think this is just about as far off the rails as they can go. I really can't imagine anything beyond this. It's the end of the road.

33 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:47:02pm

re: #26 SteelPH

I'm guessing the delight in murdering people you don't agree with, without repercussions. Or something.

No, I mean apocalyptical thinking in general. Yknow, "the end is neigh", "there will be an inevitable showdown... whether you see it coming or not.", things like that. It always seems to barely conceal an expectation bordering on hope of the prophecised event to unfold within our livetimes.

34 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:48:14pm

re: #23 000G

Why is apocalyptical thinking always so damn wishful?

Because supercharged cars and sawed off shotguns look cool. Nobody thinks about tilling the earth with a human femur while going blind from hypertension.

35 albusteve  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:49:21pm

re: #33 000G

No, I mean apocalyptical thinking in general. Yknow, "the end is neigh", "there will be an inevitable showdown... whether you see it coming or not.", things like that. It always seems to barely conceal an expectation bordering on hope of the prophecised event to unfold within our livetimes.

I'm not trying to conceal anything, especially from your over active imagination...get a grip

36 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:50:22pm

re: #30 harald

Help me out then.

1389 is taking the counter-jihad I'm-just-being-critical-of-Islam party line that ABB is "crazy", a lone madman, that whole line of bull. So they do purport to know his mind.

They're also very sympathetic to his/fjordman's/Hates of Vienna's views.

So that crowd has really waxed themselves into a corner. Sux to be them...

37 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:51:06pm

I don't have time to rip this up the way it needs to be ripped. Daniel Pipes.

[...]

That said, there is no reason to think that Behring Breivik has a single follower, that any other mainstream political conservative will emulate him and massacre socialists. This has never happened before and will probably never happen again. This is a gruesome, freakish exception.

And yet, this exception does tell conservatives that we have to be aware of a danger we had not thought of before. We may oppose socialists, but not vilify them.

[...]

Yes, we must worry about non-Islamist violence too, but the Islamist variety prevails and, being a vital extremist movement, will continue to do so.

[...]

He's providing 'context'.

Spit.

38 lostlakehiker  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:51:20pm

re: #18 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I thought this would be so abhorrent that Pam Geller, the EDL, etc would be ostracized. I thought Glenn Beck calling the child victims Hitler Youth might even get him fired but he hasn't even been forced to apologize. There's plenty of open support for the terrorist on Beck's Blaze site and from comments on "conservative blogs". I think this might end up being a turning point, not in a good way.

It's a turning point, alright. The people who want to shortcut the democratic process because it's not working for them, and go to war with their own society to make it do what they think it needs to do, have now tipped their hand.

The rest of society won't tolerate that. You do not get to just go and kill people right and left because, oh dear, you're not getting your way.

The forces of law and order will, henceforth, take it more seriously when those who fulminate in ABB's tune go and collect guns, ammo, and fertilizer. The next such guy, if there be one who thinks he can swing it, will likely just swing and miss.

The contribution and support base for this lunacy will dry up quite a bit. The real consequences of "by any means necessary" will have sunk in. The summer soldiers and sunshine patriots of the "movement" will find the weather not to their liking. The hard core will find the objective correlation of forces unfavorable.

39 kirkspencer  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:53:47pm

re: #33 000G

No, I mean apocalyptical thinking in general. Yknow, "the end is neigh", "there will be an inevitable showdown... whether you see it coming or not.", things like that. It always seems to barely conceal an expectation bordering on hope of the prophecised event to unfold within our livetimes.

At heart, it's immaturity in action.

It's the desire for an adventure among those who have not learned that an adventure is a miserable time for those going through it.

It's a belief that solutions to problems should be and will be simple. Yes or no, kill it or love it, no shades of gray.

It includes the belief that the world's story centers on THEM, and as the hero(ine) they will ultimately prevail.

40 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:54:12pm

re: #37 wrenchwench

I don't have time to rip this up the way it needs to be ripped. Daniel Pipes.

He's providing 'context'.

Spit.

Yeah, Pipes needs to provide some something, since his name and website keeps popping up in that manifesto...

41 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:55:02pm

re: #8 jamesfirecat

You know normally right now I'd say something pithy, but you know what? Words fail me.

I spent two years of my life as a summer camp counselor, it was a boyscout camp in a heavily wooded area...

Not exactly island difficult to get to, but would provide a wonderful place for a jackass to go around shooting people and being difficult to with lots of places to hide.

Those of you who have any reaction beyond outright want to vomit with rage/fear revulsion at this mans actions... FUCK YOU!

The excuse of 'it was a young adult camp' is almost surreal. It's apparently now moral to shoot innocent people if they're in their late teens? These folks are seriously going to insist that we be careful not to make the innocent victims of this killing spree seem TOO innocent? Feh.

As for the crap about the anti-Israel angle being some sort of excuse for murder, any asshole who wantsto try that on...

Innocent. That's the word they cannot seem to get to. These were innocent people. They did nothing to deserve what happened to them. They were not combatants; there was no war. They were not evil people. Evil happened to them, and there is no excuse for it, nor any way to make it less horrifying.

The fact that people are trying should not surprise me, but I guess it still does.

42 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:55:04pm

re: #35 albusteve

I'm not trying to conceal anything, especially from your over active imagination...get a grip

But you want to be (have been) right, don't you?

43 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:55:11pm

re: #38 lostlakehiker

The summer soldiers and sunshine patriots of the "movement" will find the weather not to their liking. The hard core will find the objective correlation of forces unfavorable.

Funny you should mention that. This is from one of the commenters on oslogin's post. He calls his blog "summer patriot, winter soldier".

[...]

just remember, the left and islam have waged unrelenting war against the united states and the free market capitalism & individual liberty for more than 30 years.

the left, its ideologues & authors & polemicists & pundits & theorists have gone almost entirely unpunished for this war. in my view, all of the major leftist and socialist parties of the world have enabled, aided and abetted this war of terror, and the western socialists and communists continue to fight it through their proxies in the middle east, primarily in palestine and in syria.

it is no accident that the euro union, and now the united states, largely fund the terror campaign that islam wages against the west: there is no hidden irony here, it is simply the aggression of leftist ideologues against free markets, and against individual freedom. the left uses the palestinians against its own populations, in ways in which it cannot do so directly.

[...]

That's from a post called "they reap what they have sown ..."

Spit again.

44 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:55:41pm

re: #37 wrenchwench

I don't have time to rip this up the way it needs to be ripped. Daniel Pipes.

He's providing 'context'.

Spit.

"This has never happened before"? Tim McVeigh called, he'd like you to take that statement back.

45 kirkspencer  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:56:39pm

re: #36 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

1389 is taking the counter-jihad I'm-just-being-critical-of-Islam party line that ABB is "crazy", a lone madman, that whole line of bull. So they do purport to know his mind.

They're also very sympathetic to his/fjordman's/Hates of Vienna's views.

So that crowd has really waxed themselves into a corner. Sux to be them...

They are hoping that the 'other cells' ABB references are just in his own mind.

46 albusteve  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:56:42pm

re: #42 000G

But you want to be (have been) right, don't you?

speak plainly

47 Lidane  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:56:52pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Well, I do think it's a new step. First they were against radical Islamic terrorism. When we found out there were various Nazis and Eurofascists involved they denied it at first. Eventually they openly embraced Nazi groups and ethnic nationalism. Then they started demonizing their political enemies. Now they're openly supporting terrorism and killing the children of their political opponents.
That's one hell of a change in mentality from the original purpose of opposing Islamic terrorism.

But it's NOT a change in mentality when it comes to their feelings about liberals. It's NOT a change in mentality from their opinions on Muslims or other minorities. These people have been operating in a siege mentality long before Limbaugh spent all eight of Clinton's years in office whining about America Held Hostage. The default position of the far right is to dehumanize and demonize their "enemies".

The only difference between the shit being said back then and the shit being said now is that these cretins are agreeing with a blue-eyed blond white Norwegian asshole that bombed a building to distract the cops while he mowed down scores of kids. That's all.

The sentiments behind that agreement are not new to anyone on the left side of the aisle. We've seen talk like this for decades, and seen it pushed aside as "fringe" or "satire" or just as people blowing off steam. Guess what? They weren't blowing off steam. They were serious. And now they're just doubling down on their hate.

48 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:57:14pm

re: #37 wrenchwench

I don't have time to rip this up the way it needs to be ripped. Daniel Pipes.

You should. It reads a lot more stomachable than what the rest of his buddies write (although I found the throwaway reference to "George Orwell, Thomas Hobbes, John Stuart Mill, John Locke, Adam Smith, Edmund Burke, Ayn Rand, and William James" at the beginning ludicrous).

49 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:57:47pm

re: #41 SanFranciscoZionist

The excuse of 'it was a young adult camp' is almost surreal. It's apparently now moral to shoot innocent people if they're in their late teens? These folks are seriously going to insist that we be careful not to make the innocent victims of this killing spree seem TOO innocent? Feh.

As for the crap about the anti-Israel angle being some sort of excuse for murder, any asshole who wantsto try that on...

Innocent. That's the word they cannot seem to get to. These were innocent people. They did nothing to deserve what happened to them. They were not combatants; there was no war. They were not evil people. Evil happened to them, and there is no excuse for it, nor any way to make it less horrifying.

The fact that people are trying should not surprise me, but I guess it still does.

I've come to expect anything from these people. An.y.thing.

50 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:59:04pm

re: #48 000G

You should. It reads a lot more stomachable than what the rest of his buddies write (although I found the throwaway reference to "George Orwell, Thomas Hobbes, John Stuart Mill, John Locke, Adam Smith, Edmund Burke, Ayn Rand, and William James" at the beginning ludicrous).

That's from Breivik's meaningless Facebook page. Anything to divert from his mentions of Pipes.

But I gotta go. See y'all tomorrow.

51 M. Dubious  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 5:59:38pm

re: #40 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

In fairness, ABB had been planning this for almost 9 (?) years. There weren't that many counter-jihad bloggers around back then, I think, though I'm sure they have added fuel to the fire since.

52 justaminute  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:00:28pm

Thank you oslogin. Sorry you had to swim in the sludge. I am one of those that they hate. A white girl that has married into the Muslim horde and produced babies. That was 30 years ago. There are lots like me throughout the world. I've been out in the world and met couples like my husband and me that are married longer and working on the third generation.

These animals are too late in stopping this immigration, it started a long time ago. Nothing they do can ever stop it. Look at where the immigrants come from. The immigrants came from places with the most evil dictators. They have already lived with evil for a long, long time. These creeps are nothing compared with what immigrants have already lived through.

Now we can watch how their hero does in a trial and prison. He won't be brave. Bet me.

53 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:00:46pm

re: #43 wrenchwench

Funny you should mention that. This is from one of the commenters on oslogin's post. He calls his blog "summer patriot, winter soldier".

That's from a post called "they reap what they have sown ..."

Spit again.

Ugh, wintersoldier2008.

Even blaming the victim isn't low enough for these laptop jihadis.

54 Stanghazi  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:01:00pm

re: #37 wrenchwench

I don't have time to rip this up the way it needs to be ripped. Daniel Pipes.

He's providing 'context'.

Spit.

Bummer you were quoted Pipes.

I cannot stand that guy.

55 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:01:09pm

re: #43 wrenchwench

Funny you should mention that. This is from one of the commenters on oslogin's post. He calls his blog "summer patriot, winter soldier".

That's from a post called "they reap what they have sown ..."

Spit again.

It is sort of interesting how much they sound like hardcore international revolution types from the late 60s.

56 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:01:31pm

re: #45 kirkspencer

They are hoping that the 'other cells' ABB references are just in his own mind.

So am I, so am I.

57 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:02:24pm

What angers me the most is you see people like Geller acting like they are the victims in this and if that's not pathetic enough, there's of course Beck's sick comparison of those kids to Hitler Youth.

58 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:02:45pm

re: #51 harald

In fairness, ABB had been planning this for almost 9 (?) years. There weren't that many counter-jihad bloggers around back then, I think, though I'm sure they have added fuel to the fire since.

True, but this isn't likely the first draft. His thinking, the jihad bloggers, and the manifesto developed in a feedback process.

59 Spocomptonite  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:02:49pm

I would just like to say thanks to Oslogin for being LGF's Norway Correspondent during this past week, and offer condolences for the tragedy. Keeping us updated, translating for us, contributing to the discussion, etc (I know I must be leaving something out) are hard work enough, but to do it in the midst of what us in the states felt during and just after 9-11 is just incredible.

60 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:03:37pm

re: #57 HappyWarrior

What angers me the most is you see people like Geller acting like they are the victims in this and if that's not pathetic enough, there's of course Beck's sick comparison of those kids to Hitler Youth.

I keep wanting to tell them that I'm just ASKING QUESTIONS. I'm just BEING CRITICAL. Are they trying to SILENCE ME?

I don't think they'd get it.

61 M. Dubious  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:03:38pm

re: #45 kirkspencer

They are hoping that the 'other cells' ABB references are just in his own mind.

An "expert" was quoted in our national media saying ABB is "too narcissistic" to cooperate with others.

Fingers crossed.

62 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:03:44pm

re: #46 albusteve

speak plainly

I assume you do not think you have lied or just spewn bullshit when you said a showdown was coming. I am assuming you believe the statement that a showdown is coming to be true and that you wanted to have made a true statement by asserting it. But the truthmaker for your proposition is a future event. You claim that it is an inevitable (i.e. neccessary) event that will absolutely happen and thus make your statement true and yourself right in having asserted its truthfulness.

63 austin_blue  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:03:59pm

OT:

Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy!!

Tropical Storm Don is in the gulf! Here is the blend of the storm tracks:

[Link: www.nhc.noaa.gov...]

Yay! A chance of rain on saturday! Hold a good thought for us Texas lizards, please. This is our reality:

[Link: droughtmonitor.unl.edu...]

Which is just fucking ridiculous.

Now, on to the European Proto-fascisti...

64 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:04:02pm

re: #59 Spocomptonite

I would just like to say thanks to Oslogin for being LGF's Norway Correspondent during this past week, and offer condolences for the tragedy. Keeping us updated, translating for us, contributing to the discussion, etc (I know I must be leaving something out) are hard work enough, but to do it in the midst of what us in the states felt during and just after 9-11 is just incredible.

Yes indeed, and thanks to the other Norwegian lizards as well.

65 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:04:36pm

re: #51 harald

In fairness, ABB had been planning this for almost 9 (?) years. There weren't that many counter-jihad bloggers around back then, I think, though I'm sure they have added fuel to the fire since.

"Counter-jihad" is showing themselves for what they are -- defined by what they claim to hate.

The fact that Robert Spencer is a Paul Weyrich product (Free Congress Foundation Fellow, 2002-2003) tells us everything we need to know about these so-called "counter-jihad" dupes and shills.

66 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:05:34pm

re: #31 goddamnedfrank

Yes, but because of the internet and modern media they're also feeding on themselves more than ever before. Cf. publicityStunted's excellent reference to stochastic terrorism.

Thanks for re-posting that. I'd totally missed it.

67 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:05:43pm

re: #61 harald

An "expert" was quoted in our national media saying ABB is "too narcissistic" to cooperate with others.

Fingers crossed.

I would really like for him to be a lone wolf.

If this infrastructure he describes exists in real life, dismantling it is gonna be hell.

68 albusteve  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:05:56pm

re: #62 000G

I assume you do not think you have lied or just spewn bullshit when you said a showdown was coming. I am assuming you believe the statement that a showdown is coming to be true and that you wanted to have made a true statement by asserting it. But the truthmaker for your proposition is a future event. You claim that it is an inevitable (i.e. neccessary) event that will absolutely happen and thus make your statement true and yourself right in having asserted its truthfulness.

hahaha!...what a waste of time

69 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:06:26pm

re: #63 austin_blue
I hope you get some rain. It looks like your state can use quite a bit of it.

70 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:06:49pm

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

I keep wanting to tell them that I'm just ASKING QUESTIONS. I'm just BEING CRITICAL. Are they trying to SILENCE ME?

I don't think they'd get it.

Like any truthers, only they are permitted to ask questions, be critical, and speak.

No one else is allowed. You hit on it in your other post about internationalist revolutionaries. Vanguardist mentality.

71 jaunte  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:07:36pm

re: #57 HappyWarrior

What angers me the most is you see people like Geller acting like they are the victims in this and if that's not pathetic enough, there's of course Beck's sick comparison of those kids to Hitler Youth.

Jonah Goldberg opened to the door to that with 'Liberal Fascism'.

72 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:07:45pm

re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist

I would really like for him to be a lone wolf.

If this infrastructure he describes exists in real life, dismantling it is gonna be hell.

Lone wolf or not, he's been in the nests where other wolves are whelped.

73 Lidane  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:07:47pm

re: #63 austin_blue

OT:

Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy!!

Tropical Storm Don is in the gulf! Here is the blend of the storm tracks:

[Link: www.nhc.noaa.gov...]

Yay! A chance of rain on saturday! Hold a good thought for us Texas lizards, please. This is our reality:

[Link: droughtmonitor.unl.edu...]

Which is just fucking ridiculous.

It's sad that I'm actually looking forward to a tropical storm just so we'll get some rain. WTF.

74 Lidane  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:08:35pm

re: #71 jaunte

Jonah Goldberg opened to the door to that with 'Liberal Fascism'.

It was around before the Doughy Pantload, but he convinced a whole lot of people that he was on to something. It's annoying.

75 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:08:37pm

re: #68 albusteve

hahaha!...what a waste of time

I must admit that response did give me a chuckle.

76 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:09:06pm

re: #62 000G

I assume you do not think you have lied or just spewn bullshit when you said a showdown was coming. I am assuming you believe the statement that a showdown is coming to be true and that you wanted to have made a true statement by asserting it. But the truthmaker for your proposition is a future event. You claim that it is an inevitable (i.e. neccessary) event that will absolutely happen and thus make your statement true and yourself right in having asserted its truthfulness.

Lol if anything, it's more like, a(nother) showdown is coming (again).

77 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:09:30pm

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

I keep wanting to tell them that I'm just ASKING QUESTIONS. I'm just BEING CRITICAL. Are they trying to SILENCE ME?

I don't think they'd get it.

Ha, I doubt it since after all Beck acts like parties with political youth wings is akin to the Hitler Youth yet the same Tea Party he's pimped the hell out of has just that. Whole thing makes me angry. These were goddamn innocent people, many of them teenagers in the prime of their lives. How dare they belong to the Labor Party. As I said, I kinda miss the days where they'd try to claim nuts like this as a left winger and decry the act all the same. Yeah it would be intellectually dishonest but not heartless bullshit.

78 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:10:06pm

re: #76 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Lol if anything, it's more like, a(nother) showdown is coming (again).

Die Ewige Wiederkunft des Gleichen?

79 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:10:12pm

re: #77 HappyWarrior

Ha, I doubt it since after all Beck acts like parties with political youth wings is akin to the Hitler Youth yet the same Tea Party he's pimped the hell out of has just that. Whole thing makes me angry. These were goddamn innocent people, many of them teenagers in the prime of their lives. How dare they belong to the Labor Party (sarc). As I said, I kinda miss the days where they'd try to claim nuts like this as a left winger and decry the act all the same. Yeah it would be intellectually dishonest but not heartless bullshit.

80 Obdicut  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:10:58pm

re: #18 Killgore Trout

The antisemitism is becoming more and more open too. They're talking about a very narrow definition of Jew that's a good Jew, with everyone else being a liberal traitor and a reason for all the bad things that have ever happened in the west. Gates of Vienna links to openly antisemitic sites that talk about the Judeo-liberal movement (wtf) that has corrupted society.

Support for Israel is a great way to mask antisemitism, but in a lot of cases on the right wing these days, it's supporting Jews as long as their in they're own country, not when they dare to walk around and pretend they're Americans and Europeans and whatnot.

81 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:11:15pm

Let's exterminate the Ouroboros!

82 TedStriker  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:14:07pm

re: #44 thedopefishlives

"This has never happened before"? Tim McVeigh called, he'd like you to take that statement back.

Nice try, but McVeigh is still taking a well-deserved dirt nap for his atrocities, courtesy of the US government and the Federal Bureau of Prisons (:-P). Too bad ABB can't get him some of that, though I'd be satisfied with him never seeing the light of day as a free man.

83 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:14:11pm

re: #78 000G

Die Ewige Wiederkunft des Gleichen?

Feh, my German is too rusty for that.

But I think my answer is something said earlier: "everything has changed, and nothing has changed."

84 austin_blue  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:14:15pm

re: #61 harald

An "expert" was quoted in our national media saying ABB is "too narcissistic" to cooperate with others.

Fingers crossed.

I don't think that is an accurate read. His own Risk Assessment said that with every additional person in on the plan, the possibility of capture before implementation increased hugely. One person, 30%, 6 people, 94%.
(se Frank's earlier summations of his manifesto. By the way, outstanding job, Frank.)

This is a careful planner, a person who understood risk analysis, timelines, and the importance of bringing superior force to bear on an unprotected target group. Insane? No. Sociopathic? Yeah, you betcha!

And I will echo the kudos for Oslogin and his reporting from Norway. A tug of the forelock to you, my friend.

85 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:15:49pm

re: #80 Obdicut

The antisemitism is becoming more and more open too. They're talking about a very narrow definition of Jew that's a good Jew, with everyone else being a liberal traitor and a reason for all the bad things that have ever happened in the west. Gates of Vienna links to openly antisemitic sites that talk about the Judeo-liberal movement (wtf) that has corrupted society.

Support for Israel is a great way to mask antisemitism, but in a lot of cases on the right wing these days, it's supporting Jews as long as their in they're own country, not when they dare to walk around and pretend they're Americans and Europeans and whatnot.

They're slowly adopting the classic anti-Semite's concept of the Cosmopolitan, corrupting Jew, and trying to divorce it from anti-Semitism by claiming that conservative Jews are OK, in fact, super-great!!

Amazingly, they are managing to gull a number of conservative Jews who should know better with this crap, even though it is patently the mirror-image of "I totally love Jews, just not the scary kind that support Israel or, you know, wear beards and stuff."

86 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:16:15pm

re: #78 000G

Die Ewige Wiederkunft des Gleichen?

re: #83 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Feh, my German is too rusty for that.

But I think my answer is something said earlier: "everything has changed, and nothing has changed."

Just ran it through the translator machine: looks like I'm not as rusty as I thought.

87 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:17:02pm

re: #82 talon_262

You understand the point, though. :-P To say that this has never happened before is absurd. There have been others who, influenced by ultra-right-wing conservative rhetoric, have taken their convictions to their logical extreme. Equally, it's absurd to say no one will ever think to do so again. Clearly, from the comments left on some of the right-wing hate blogs, there are people out there who would gladly continue the killing if given the appropriate opportunity.

88 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:17:48pm

re: #82 talon_262

Nice try, but McVeigh is still taking a well-deserved dirt nap for his atrocities, courtesy of the US government and the Federal Bureau of Prisons (:-P). Too bad ABB can't get him some of that, though I'd be satisfied with him never seeing the light of day as a free man.

Yes and his dirt nap came fast thankfully, relative to how long it usually takes a death row inmate to meet his executioner.

89 Kragar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:19:26pm

re: #88 Mr Pancakes

Yes and his dirt nap came fast thankfully, relative to how long it usually takes a death row inmate to meet his executioner.

Well, he did end up waiving his appeals and asking to get it over with.

90 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:19:47pm

re: #87 thedopefishlives

You understand the point, though. :-P To say that this has never happened before is absurd. There have been others who, influenced by ultra-right-wing conservative rhetoric, have taken their convictions to their logical extreme. Equally, it's absurd to say no one will ever think to do so again. Clearly, from the comments left on some of the right-wing hate blogs, there are people out there who would gladly continue the killing if given the appropriate opportunity.

There are also a lot of provocateurs.

I guess the dumb bigot right still have yet to learn the lesson the left did in the 60s: don't listen to the dumb yahoo calling for violence. He's a narc.

91 Lidane  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:19:51pm
92 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:19:53pm

re: #89 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, he did end up waiving his appeals and asking to get it over with.

I wish more would.

93 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:19:59pm

re: #84 austin_blue

(se Frank's earlier summations of his manifesto. By the way, outstanding job, Frank.)
.

Link?

94 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:20:09pm

“Harry Potter is about confronting fears, finding inner strength and doing what is right in the face of adversity. Twilight is about how important it is to have a boyfriend.”

— Stephen King

95 Kragar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:22:20pm

re: #94 SanFranciscoZionist

“Harry Potter is about confronting fears, finding inner strength and doing what is right in the face of adversity. Twilight is about how important it is to have a boyfriend.”

— Stephen King

Twilight is considered cruel and unusual punishment in most civilized countries.

96 Lidane  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:22:23pm

re: #94 SanFranciscoZionist

“Harry Potter is about confronting fears, finding inner strength and doing what is right in the face of adversity. Twilight is about how important it is to have a boyfriend.”

— Stephen King

And by the end of the series, Twilight is about how important it is to have a husband and baby, even if it means that your ex-boyfriend bonds with your infant child and will eventually marry him. Oh, and about how you have special powers that no one else does.

/not kidding

97 Lidane  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:23:31pm

re: #96 Lidane

Er...goofed the gender pronoun. The infant is a girl.

The whole "ex-boyfriend bonding with the baby who will eventually become his wife" thing is real, however.

98 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:24:23pm

re: #97 Lidane

The whole "ex-boyfriend bonding with the baby who will eventually become his wife" thing is real, however.

Twilight is non-fiction?

//

99 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:24:40pm

A big shout-out to oslogin. Many thanks for your reporting and explanations. You've helped us understand this tragedy in ways that we might not have been able to without you here, or even if we did it might have taken a lot more time & effort. Well done!

100 TedStriker  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:25:39pm

re: #96 Lidane

And by the end of the series, Twilight is about how important it is to have a husband and baby, even if it means that your ex-boyfriend bonds with your infant child and will eventually marry him. Oh, and about how you have special powers that no one else does.

/not kidding

re: #97 Lidane

Er...goofed the gender pronoun. The infant is a girl.

The whole "ex-boyfriend bonding with the baby who will eventually become his wife" thing is real, however.

Is is just me or does that Twilight plot point sounds pedophilic and creepy as shit?

101 austin_blue  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:26:15pm

This song from the Talking Heads speaks to the Arab view of influence. It wouldn't take too many modifications to be ABB's anthem:

Mojique sees his village from a nearby hill
Mojique thinks of days before Americans came
He sees the foreigners in growing numbers
He sees the foreigners in fancy houses
He thinks of days that he can still remember...now.

Mojique holds a package in his quivering hands
Mojique sends the package to the American man
Softly he glides along the streets and alleys
Up comes the wind that makes them run for cover
He feels the time is surely now or never...more.

The wind in my heart
The wind in my heart
The dust in my head
The dust in my head
The wind in my heart
The wind in my heart
(Come to) Drive them away
Drive them away.

Mojique buys equipment in the market place
Mojique plants devices in the free trade zone
He feels the wind is lifting up his people
He calls the wind to guide him on his mission
He knows his friend the wind is always standing...by.

Mojique smells the wind that comes from far away
Mojique waits for news in a quiet place
He feels the presence of the wind around him
He feels the power of the past behind him
He has the knowledge of the wind to guide him...on.

The wind in my heart
The wind in my heart
The dust in my head
The dust in my head
The wind in my heart
The wind in my heart
(Come to) Drive them away
Drive them away.

Chilling, isn't it? That's the frisson of fanatacism.

102 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:26:16pm

re: #95 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Twilight is considered cruel and unusual punishment in most civilized countries.

One of the tortures inflicted at Guantanamo was to play the movies on a repeating loop 24 hours a day./

103 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:26:23pm

re: #85 SanFranciscoZionist

They're slowly adopting the classic anti-Semite's concept of the Cosmopolitan, corrupting Jew, and trying to divorce it from anti-Semitism by claiming that conservative Jews are OK, in fact, super-great!!

Amazingly, they are managing to gull a number of conservative Jews who should know better with this crap, even though it is patently the mirror-image of "I totally love Jews, just not the scary kind that support Israel or, you know, wear beards and stuff."

They have their own version of so-called "multiculturalism"...they love feminists against abortion, they love Blacks for confederacy, they love Indians for colonialism, they love gays who still feel inferior to heteros. All 17 of them lol.

But oh, they do love them. Oh yeah, and if you don't vote for the feminist against equal pay, the Black who hates the Civil Rights Act of 1965, the gay who thinks the closet is empowerment, guess what!

You are a sexist, racist hater who is against "indigenous rights for Europeans"* So neener neener.

*That last one is from the manifesto.

104 mr.fusion  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:26:53pm
As it turned out, the terrorist – too – believed that the Norwegian government was treasonous. Now, of course, Blogmocracy too are trying to explain it all away.

This is what I worry about. When you start throwing around the term "traitor," you give the nuts out there all the rationale they need.


Michelle Bachmaan on Obama's decision to intervene in Libya: "Whose side is he on? ... I don't think he's on our side anymore."

Tom Tancredo: The Canon City Daily Record reported that Tancredo told a coffee shop crowd Tuesday that Obama posed a threat to the Constitution, saying: “It’s not al-Qaida, it’s the guy sitting in the White House.”

Dan Riehl via BigJournalism.com: It’s become known that the spouse of Jesse Lee, the White House’s new Director of Progressive Media and Online Response, is closely tied to the infamous General Betrayus ad for MoveOn. And as usual, there is more to the story. The woman in question, Nita Chaudhary, was given preferred treatment at a White House State Dinner. I’ve never concerned myself too much with where Obama was, or wasn’t born. But the notion that one could be involved with undermining America’s then top General while our nation was at war and young American men and women were fighting and dying, only to later be treated with kid gloves at a State dinner at the White House, does leave an impression of an administration that is more than a bit un-American.

CNN.com:Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin on Saturday slammed Sen. Barack Obama's political relationship with a former anti-war radical, accusing him of associating "with terrorists who targeted their own country."

Washington Post: RICHMOND -- The chairman of the Virginia Republican Party has compared Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama to Osama bin Laden because of the Illinois senator's past association with Bill Ayers, who has confessed to domestic bombings as a member of the Vietnam War-era Weather Underground ... According to a report in this week's Time magazine, the Virginia party chairman, Del. Jeffrey M. Frederick (R-Prince William), told Virginia volunteers working for GOP nominee John McCain that Obama and bin Laden "both have friends that bombed the Pentagon." "That is scary," Frederick said while providing talking points to GOP volunteers in western Prince William County as they prepared for a door-to-door canvass.

CBSThe official Web site of the Sacramento County Republican Party compared Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama to terrorist leader Osama bin Laden and urged people to "Waterboard Barack Obama."

......and on and on. In all fairness when I was looking for these quotes I came across an awful lot of liberal blogs calling the GOP "traitors," etc.....and we all remember the Alan Grayson ad comparing his opponent to a terrorist...but the quotes above don't belong to just bloggers, these are people in positions of influence within the Republican Party.

105 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:27:22pm

That's a good point by King. I've never been a big Potter fan (more in to realistic stuff) but I appreciate that Rowling is a good writer and gotten people in to reading. Twilight on the other hand is a sad joke. I've seen excerpts and sheesh that is some bad writing.

106 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:29:42pm

re: #102 thedopefishlives

One of the tortures inflicted at Guantanamo was to play the movies on a repeating loop 24 hours a day./

My daughter wants to go to Guantanamo.

107 Kragar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:31:44pm

re: #105 HappyWarrior

That's a good point by King. I've never been a big Potter fan (more in to realistic stuff) but I appreciate that Rowling is a good writer and gotten people in to reading. Twilight on the other hand is a sad joke. I've seen excerpts and sheesh that is some bad writing.

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108 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:31:52pm

re: #104 mr.fusion

In all fairness when I was looking for these quotes I came across an awful lot of liberal blogs calling the GOP "traitors," etc...and we all remember the Alan Grayson ad comparing his opponent to a terrorist...

Imo, the only place for "traitor" rhetoric and the GOP is for the people who sign ridiculous Norquist or FreedomWorks pledges, and put those above the Constitution.

109 Lidane  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:32:53pm

re: #100 talon_262

re: #97 Lidane

Is is just me or does that Twilight plot point sounds pedophilic and creepy as shit?

You should have seen the shitstorm it caused when the book came out:

[Link: www.journalfen.net...]

And that's only the beginning. The flame wars and wank the last book in the Twilight series caused was epic.

110 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:34:01pm

re: #62 000G

I assume you do not think you have lied or just spewn bullshit when you said a showdown was coming. I am assuming you believe the statement that a showdown is coming to be true and that you wanted to have made a true statement by asserting it. But the truthmaker for your proposition is a future event. You claim that it is an inevitable (i.e. neccessary) event that will absolutely happen and thus make your statement true and yourself right in having asserted its truthfulness.

Yeah, but I don't see a thing in there that translates to Steve actually WANTING and HOPING it will happen, which is what you seem to have said here (fully acknowledging I may have misread):
re: #33 000G

No, I mean apocalyptical thinking in general. Yknow, "the end is neigh", "there will be an inevitable showdown... whether you see it coming or not.", things like that. It always seems to barely conceal an expectation bordering on hope of the prophecised event to unfold within our livetimes.

111 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:35:31pm

re: #106 Mr Pancakes

My daughter wants to go to Guantanamo.

Am now picturing an American teenager with long swishy hair, sitting on a couch with a bunch of Afghan guys in those orange outfits sitting around her. She is happily watching _Twilight_, and eating big handfuls of popcorn. They are twitching.

112 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:36:50pm

re: #111 SanFranciscoZionist

Am now picturing an American teenager with long swishy hair, sitting on a couch with a bunch of Afghan guys in those orange outfits sitting around her. She is happily watching _Twilight_, and eating big handfuls of popcorn. They are twitching.

Hahhaha SFZ .... Hey...... she might just be the one who brings us all together!

113 Kragar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:37:18pm
114 TedStriker  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:37:45pm

re: #111 SanFranciscoZionist

Am now picturing an American teenager with long swishy hair, sitting on a couch with a bunch of Afghan guys in those orange outfits sitting around her. She is happily watching _Twilight_, and eating big handfuls of popcorn. They are twitching.

In that scenario, how long would you give those hardassed terrorists before they cracked?

115 austin_blue  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:38:29pm

re: #110 reine.de.tout

Yeah, but I don't see a thing in there that translates to Steve actually WANTING and HOPING it will happen, which is what you seem to have said here (fully acknowledging I may have misread):
re: #33 000G

That was well put. I don't like people jumping on Steve. Just because he doesn't go all

/// :-O ;-) :-D

doesn't mean you can't read between the lines. People just need to chill, sometimes.

And did I mention we might get rain on Saturday?!?!?! Yipee!!

116 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:38:40pm

re: #111 SanFranciscoZionist

Am now picturing an American teenager with long swishy hair, sitting on a couch with a bunch of Afghan guys in those orange outfits sitting around her. She is happily watching _Twilight_, and eating big handfuls of popcorn. They are twitching.

hehe.
Talk about torture!

117 TedStriker  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:38:49pm

re: #113 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Harry Potter vs Twilight

BOOM goes the dynamite!!!

And there ya go...

118 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:38:49pm

re: #114 talon_262

re: #111 SanFranciscoZionist

In that scenario, how long would you give those hardassed terrorists before they cracked?

Believe me..... it doesn't take long.

119 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:39:25pm

re: #111 SanFranciscoZionist

Am now picturing an American teenager with long swishy hair, sitting on a couch with a bunch of Afghan guys in those orange outfits sitting around her. She is happily watching _Twilight_, and eating big handfuls of popcorn. They are twitching.

"Alright, alright, I'll talk! I'LL TALK! Just make her stop fawning over that nasty sparkling Robert Pattinson, for the love of Allah!"

120 jaunte  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:40:18pm

re: #113 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The least successful Harry Potter movie will wind up about $794 million ahead of the most successful Sarah Palin movie.

121 TedStriker  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:40:34pm

re: #119 thedopefishlives

"Alright, alright, I'll talk! I'LL TALK! Just make her stop fawning over that nasty sparkling Robert Pattinson, for the love of Allah!"

Waterboarding ain't got shit on a Twilight-a-thon, apparently...

122 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:40:48pm

How is the evening going all?

I have to continue accomplishing something while I'm logged-on, so bear with me . . .

123 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:41:08pm

re: #116 reine.de.tout

hehe.
Talk about torture!

Actually my daughter is really cool (she's 12)...... took her to a "Big Time Rush" concert last Friday with all the screaming girls and she was very reserved in comparison.

124 Stanghazi  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:41:33pm

re: #106 Mr Pancakes

My daughter wants to go to Guantanamo.

I know, unfortunately, several grown women who needed some romance in their life, they read Twilight. Leave it to the tweens. Maybe.

125 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:42:18pm

re: #123 Mr Pancakes

I went to one of those, unintentionally. They came to the Mall of America on the same day that my wife and I wanted to go down there for a date night. It was ... disturbing to the max.

126 Kragar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:42:47pm

I wonder if the Potter crew ever calls up Pattinson and ask if he misses being in a good franchise.

127 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:43:01pm

re: #19 wrenchwench

I'm not sure Islamist terrorism is where their true interest lies. I think they want to kill liberals. The US military would not condone that.

They want the French Revolution rather than the US one, complete with the Patriot's Razor.

128 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:43:05pm

re: #125 thedopefishlives

I went to one of those, unintentionally. They came to the Mall of America on the same day that my wife and I wanted to go down there for a date night. It was ... disturbing to the max.

Dude...... I know.... it was like the Backstreet Boys revisited..... I hated them too.

129 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:44:47pm

re: #126 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I wonder if the Potter crew ever calls up Pattinson and ask if he misses being in a good franchise.

You know, it's a living.

I read an interview with Pattinson, and he said that the point at which he realized this could get scary was when he went to some sort of promotional event, and two young women walked up to him displaying necks that they'd scratched to bleeding and said, "We did this for you."

IIRC, his agent had a job to do talking him out of the men's room.

130 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:44:58pm

re: #94 SanFranciscoZionist

“Harry Potter is about confronting fears, finding inner strength and doing what is right in the face of adversity. Twilight is about how important it is to have a boyfriend.”

— Stephen King

So true. I loved the Harry Potter series. The Audio was fantastic and I got to listen to it with my kid when he was at an age to enjoy it!

Now, not so much.

131 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:45:15pm

re: #128 Mr Pancakes

Dude... I know... it was like the Backstreet Boys revisited... I hated them too.

Agh the Backstreet Boys, a part of my pre-teen years I do not miss at all.

132 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:45:35pm

re: #125 thedopefishlives

I went to one of those, unintentionally. They came to the Mall of America on the same day that my wife and I wanted to go down there for a date night. It was ... disturbing to the max.

You went unintentionally.... I paid $90 for the pleasure of it all.

133 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:46:04pm

Evening Lizards. Been Lurking all day. Haven't commented on this subject as if I said what I wanted to, well Charles would have banned me.

But I do think it is time to put pressure on those who (inadvertently?) help these assholes spread their message of hate. And yes, Typepad I am looking at you.

134 Kragar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:46:23pm

re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist

You know, it's a living.

I read an interview with Pattinson, and he said that the point at which he realized this could get scary was when he went to some sort of promotional event, and two young women walked up to him displaying necks that they'd scratched to bleeding and said, "We did this for you."

IIRC, his agent had a job to do talking him out of the men's room.

A comic-con, one of the fans asked the werewolf kid how he liked doing all those fight scenes.

He said it was really cool to watch the CGI wolf fight. The fan didn't quite seem to understand the answer.

135 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:47:13pm

re: #130 ggt

So true. I loved the Harry Potter series. The Audio was fantastic and I got to listen to it with my kid when he was at an age to enjoy it!

Now, not so much.

I had to buy two copies of each book so my daughter and I wouldn't fight over who got to read first.

136 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:47:19pm

re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist

You know, it's a living.

I read an interview with Pattinson, and he said that the point at which he realized this could get scary was when he went to some sort of promotional event, and two young women walked up to him displaying necks that they'd scratched to bleeding and said, "We did this for you."

IIRC, his agent had a job to do talking him out of the men's room.

I read that interview too, creepy.

137 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:47:54pm

re: #131 HappyWarrior

Agh the Backstreet Boys, a part of my pre-teen years I do not miss at all.

Then came N'Sync .... now Big Time Rush. They did a song for the parents..... "I Want To Hold Your Hand" by the Beatles..... I wanted to throw-up but I kept smiling.

138 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:49:40pm

Uh-oh.
This doesn't sound good.

Air Canada plane on fire over Sydney

139 austin_blue  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:50:18pm

re: #122 ggt

How is the evening going all?

I have to continue accomplishing something while I'm logged-on, so bear with me . . .

The sun is too damn hot. It's almost 9:00 and it's still 98 degrees here.

140 Lidane  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:51:22pm

re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist

You know, it's a living.

I read an interview with Pattinson, and he said that the point at which he realized this could get scary was when he went to some sort of promotional event, and two young women walked up to him displaying necks that they'd scratched to bleeding and said, "We did this for you."

IIRC, his agent had a job to do talking him out of the men's room.

At least he didn't have creepy stalker fans like Jake Gyllenhaal. During an SXSW screening of his movie The Source Code, someone actually followed Jake into the men's room and tried to take pictures of him while he was using the facilities.

Needless to say, there was a bit of a fuss over it.

141 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:51:57pm

re: #137 Mr Pancakes

Then came N'Sync ... now Big Time Rush. They did a song for the parents... "I Want To Hold Your Hand" by the Beatles... I wanted to throw-up but I kept smiling.

Don't know Big Time Rush fortunately. Makes me glad my sibling who is fourteen years younger than me is a brother and that my Dad raised him on music so I think if I had a sister, she'd avoid it too.

142 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:52:02pm

re: #38 lostlakehiker

It's a turning point, alright. The people who want to shortcut the democratic process because it's not working for them, and go to war with their own society to make it do what they think it needs to do, have now tipped their hand.

The rest of society won't tolerate that. You do not get to just go and kill people right and left because, oh dear, you're not getting your way.

The forces of law and order will, henceforth, take it more seriously when those who fulminate in ABB's tune go and collect guns, ammo, and fertilizer. The next such guy, if there be one who thinks he can swing it, will likely just swing and miss.

The contribution and support base for this lunacy will dry up quite a bit. The real consequences of "by any means necessary" will have sunk in. The summer soldiers and sunshine patriots of the "movement" will find the weather not to their liking. The hard core will find the objective correlation of forces unfavorable.

Unfortunately, none of that came to pass after Oklahoma City. Not in the US, anyway. Instead, the cult did what it's done ever since, and doubled down. And now, they are stronger, more prominent, and more vocal than ever.

144 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:55:16pm

re: #141 HappyWarrior

Don't know Big Time Rush fortunately. Makes me glad my sibling who is fourteen years younger than me is a brother and that my Dad raised him on music so I think if I had a sister, she'd avoid it too.

There were no adolescent boys there understandably.... just girls. They have a show on Nickelodeon..... some of the mothers there were into it more than their young daughters...... made me shudder.

145 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:56:43pm

I actually felt that someone was looking after me by giving me a son when Twilight came out. My friends with daughters were ALL into with their offspring.

146 darthstar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:57:25pm

Artichokes are steaming, kale salad is mostly done, rib-eyes salted, peppered, sugared and waiting their turn on the grill...but first, a cocktail. I do hope Breivik was given jellied fish and bread for dinner...if that.

147 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:58:09pm

Attention LGF I just thought I'd let you guys know that despite all the nay sayers and the every so often drubbing I got here from my fellow lizards, I currently have 28,912 karma points and this will be my 14,433 post with 19 pages.

So if you haven't realized it...

28,912
/
14,452

Equals?

2.0005!

That's right after a year and a half of being hear I finally achieved my long desired dream of having a Karma Per Post ratio equal to or greater than 2.0!

Living the dream!

148 Kragar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:58:26pm

re: #141 HappyWarrior

Don't know Big Time Rush fortunately. Makes me glad my sibling who is fourteen years younger than me is a brother and that my Dad raised him on music so I think if I had a sister, she'd avoid it too.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

149 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:58:34pm

re: #146 darthstar

Artichokes are steaming, kale salad is mostly done, rib-eyes salted, peppered, sugared and waiting their turn on the grill...but first, a cocktail. I do hope Breivik was given jellied fish and bread for dinner...if that.

Compared to my dinner options..... jellied fish and bread is sounding pretty good.

151 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:59:01pm

re: #147 jamesfirecat

Attention LGF I just thought I'd let you guys know that despite all the nay sayers and the every so often drubbing I got here from my fellow lizards, I currently have 28,912 karma points and this will be my 14,433 post with 19 pages.

So if you haven't realized it...

28,912
/
14,452

Equals?

2.0005!

That's right after a year and a half of being hear I finally achieved my long desired dream of having a Karma Per Post ratio equal to or greater than 2.0!

Living the dream!

I'm just happy to have positive karma.

152 jaunte  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:59:52pm

re: #147 jamesfirecat

You know, with a duo of fine LGF cookbooks your lizard life can be even more complete.

153 Four More Tears  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 6:59:53pm

re: #147 jamesfirecat

Aim higher...

154 darthstar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:00:20pm

re: #147 jamesfirecat

Congrats.

155 austin_blue  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:00:41pm

re: #147 jamesfirecat

Attention LGF I just thought I'd let you guys know that despite all the nay sayers and the every so often drubbing I got here from my fellow lizards, I currently have 28,912 karma points and this will be my 14,433 post with 19 pages.

So if you haven't realized it...

28,912
/
14,452

Equals?

2.0005!

That's right after a year and a half of being hear I finally achieved my long desired dream of having a Karma Per Post ratio equal to or greater than 2.0!

Living the dream!

Ding whore. Thbthbthbthbthb...

156 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:02:59pm

This just in vir Google aerts:

Our own oslogin, Øyvind Strømmen (unless there's another guy with the same name writing about this) has an article in Foreign Affairs magazine online. I read the article before looking at the byline, so I almost missed it.

I don't want to ruin it, so I'll let ya'll go read it yourselves.

Violent "Counter-Jihadism"
What -- and Who -- Inspired Anders Behring Breivik’s Violence?

157 Achilles Tang  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:04:58pm

re: #147 jamesfirecat


Living the dream!

I thought you just graduated last year. Haven't you found a job yet?

158 jaunte  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:07:19pm

re: #156 CuriousLurker

Good piece, thanks for posting the link!

It is crucial that law-enforcement authorities and intelligence agencies better understand the true relationship between the words and ideas of Internet-based counter-jihadists and the real-world violence they seem to have inspired.
159 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:08:23pm

re: #157 Naso Tang

I thought you just graduated last year. Haven't you found a job yet?

How bout this..... great news eh?

160 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:09:40pm

re: #159 Mr Pancakes

How bout this... great news eh?

That's just... fucked up.

161 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:09:52pm

re: #159 Mr Pancakes

How bout this... great news eh?

same as it's ever been. Easier to find a job when you already have one.

Same advise: Don't quit a job until you have another.

Work at McDonalds, work anywhere, just have a job.

162 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:10:12pm

re: #160 Alouette

That's just... fucked up.

Yea.... that's what I thought.

163 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:11:21pm

re: #161 ggt

same as it's ever been. Easier to find a job when you already have one.

Same advise: Don't quit a job until you have another.

Work at McDonalds, work anywhere, just have a job.

Easier to find a job if you're white.
Easier to find a job if you're a male.
Easier to find a job if you're under 40.

Yada yada... let the free market decide...
//

164 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:11:24pm

re: #159 Mr Pancakes

How bout this... great news eh?

Oy, yeah ran into that problem.
9_9

166 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:13:34pm

re: #146 darthstar

Artichokes are steaming, kale salad is mostly done, rib-eyes salted, peppered, sugared and waiting their turn on the grill...but first, a cocktail. I do hope Breivik was given jellied fish and bread for dinner...if that.

Hooray!

167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:13:51pm

The folks most responsible are saying, "We didn't mean nuthin'." Shuffling their feet in the dust...

168 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:13:55pm

re: #152 jaunte

You know, with a duo of fine LGF cookbooks your lizard life can be even more complete.

Like these two?

170 Four More Tears  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:14:28pm

re: #167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The folks most responsible are saying, "We didn't mean nuthin'." Shuffling their feet in the dust...

Well it's either that or blame Charles...

171 Four More Tears  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:15:05pm

re: #169 Varek Raith

Yep, no rw terrorists.
Nope
Planned Parenthood Clinic Attacked With Molotov Cocktail

And how do we know, hm? Seems "Muslish" to me...

172 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:15:46pm

re: #171 JasonA

And how do we know, hm? Seems "Muslish" to me...

True. True. May even be an atheist!

173 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:16:45pm

re: #158 jaunte

Good piece, thanks for posting the link!

You're welcome! It was indeed very good. And great to see it in Foreign Affairs. The far-right bloggers are spinning like mad trying to get away from this if the unusual number of Google alerts for the few of them I have flagged are any indication. It may not work this time.

174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:17:05pm

re: #170 JasonA

Well it's either that or blame Charles...

They're doing that too!

175 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:17:05pm

re: #172 Varek Raith

True. True. May even be an atheist!

Ridiculous.

It was a marmoset.

176 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:17:55pm

something 1/2 accomplished --time for a break

don't you agree?

177 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:19:12pm

re: #176 ggt

something 1/2 accomplished --time for a break

don't you agree?

Depends on what you are talking about......

178 Four More Tears  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:20:44pm

re: #174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

They're doing that too!

sigh

You usually have a good sense of humor, yet this went right over your head? I am disappointed.

179 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:21:03pm

re: #158 jaunte

Good piece, thanks for posting the link!

It is crucial that law-enforcement authorities and intelligence agencies better understand the true relationship between the words and ideas of Internet-based counter-jihadists and the real-world violence they seem to have inspired.

The SPLC has law enforcement resources - training videos to help law-enforcement authorities learn how to spot problems. One recent one has to do with the "Sovereign Citizens Movement" - that's the guy who, with his teen son, shot a police officer and then were themselves shot.

It unfortunately looks to me as if most of these resources focus on groups that are right-wing types - I'm guessing that's because that's where most of the danger lies these days and not any sort of bias on the part of the SPLC.

180 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:22:09pm

re: #177 Mr Pancakes

Depends on what you are talking about...

Well, it's not making pancakes.

Paperwork, ugh!

181 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:22:17pm

re: #178 JasonA

sigh

You usually have a good sense of humor, yet this went right over your head? I am disappointed.

Me go back and re-read....

182 Kragar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:23:23pm

re: #167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The folks most responsible are saying, "We didn't mean nuthin'." Shuffling their feet in the dust...

Actually, they're screaming "HE DID IT" and pointing fingers at their critics.

183 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:23:32pm

How horrible.

*shiver*

184 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:23:56pm

re: #180 ggt

Well, it's not making pancakes.

Paperwork, ugh!

Well I was thinking sex....... but yes you can't walk away from pancake you must flip pancake.

185 Stanghazi  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:23:57pm

Ok Darth. Currently sitting in English pub, watching some football match (screaming fans, yes) waiting for my sausage rolls and colemans.

186 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:24:07pm

re: #169 Varek Raith

Yep, no rw terrorists.
Nope
Planned Parenthood Clinic Attacked With Molotov Cocktail

just lovely.

187 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:27:03pm

BTW, there's also this from the archives of The Nation that I ran across yesterday—IO don't think I've seen it posted here yet:

From the Archive: Missing: The 'Right' Babies

It's a good read about the whole far right women-should-stop-whoring-around-and-stay-home-having-babies attitude that assets Christendom needs to out-breed the encroaching Muslim hordes.

Alright ladies, get thee home and drop you knickers if you love America! //

188 jaunte  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:27:16pm

re: #179 reine.de.tout

More fallout from a bad economy:

Not all tax protesters are sovereign citizens, and many newer recruits to the sovereign life did not start out as tax protesters. But based on the available evidence, a reasonable estimate of hard-core sovereign believers today would be 100,000, with another 200,000 just starting out by testing sovereign techniques for resisting everything from speeding tickets to drug charges, for a total of 300,000. As sovereign theories go viral throughout the nation's prison systems and among people who are unemployed and desperate in a punishing recession, this number is likely to grow.
[Link: www.splcenter.org...]
189 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:28:57pm

Holt is convinced a society cannot protect itself from a Breivik through surveillance or increased security.

"The only way to prevent this from happening in the future is to turn the mirror, look at ourselves and see what the hell happened," says Holt. "This boy is born in the best and richest country in the world, he has had every single chance of being happy, perfectly adjusted human being, but something went terribly wrong, and we have to ask ourselves why."

Makes me want to read her books.

190 Cheechako  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:31:15pm

re: #176 ggt

something 1/2 accomplished --time for a break

don't you agree?


Shame on you...go back and finish that beer. Don't let it get too warm.

191 Four More Tears  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:31:19pm

Rachel Maddow sued for reading statement verbatim...?

A Christian rocker is suing Rachel Maddow for $50 million, charging the MSNBC host with defamation for what he says were misleading statements she made about his views on gay rights and Sharia law. (H/T Towleroad)

Bradlee Dean, a Minnesota metal rocker, announced the lawsuit in a Tuesday press release. His suit stems from an August 2010 segment of Maddow's, in which she quoted a statement he made on his radio show:

"Muslims are calling for the execution of homosexuals in America. They themselves are upholding the laws that are even in the Bible, the Judeo-Christian God, but they seem to be more moral than the American Christians do. Because these people are livid about enforcing their laws. They know homosexuality is an abomination. If America won't enforce the laws, God will raise up a foreign enemy to do just that."
Dean charged Maddow with deliberately ignoring a disclaimer that he issued which stressed that he was not calling for gay people to be killed. He said Maddow's airing of his statement caused "serious" harm to him and the ministry he runs.

192 Stanghazi  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:31:53pm

re: #189 ggt

Holt is convinced a society cannot protect itself from a Breivik through surveillance or increased security.

"The only way to prevent this from happening in the future is to turn the mirror, look at ourselves and see what the hell happened," says Holt. "This boy is born in the best and richest country in the world, he has had every single chance of being happy, perfectly adjusted human being, but something went terribly wrong, and we have to ask ourselves why."

Makes me want to read her books.

I heard this on NPR today. Excellent.

193 jaunte  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:32:47pm

re: #191 JasonA

Bradlee Dean, a Minnesota mental rocker

194 darthstar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:33:06pm

I'll have the burrito supreme, the fiesta chicken taco...and a side of baby boy.

A woman has been arrested in Vancouver, Washington for trying to sell her 3-day-old infant to a woman eating in a Clark County Taco Bell.
195 BongCrodny  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:34:34pm

re: #169 Varek Raith

Yep, no rw terrorists.
Nope
Planned Parenthood Clinic Attacked With Molotov Cocktail


I'd like to cite Mara Prato's comment from the ThinkProgress story:

Does anyone else find it ironic that the headline immediately above this one is "After Right-Wing Pressure, DHS Now Has ‘Just One Person’ Dealing With Domestic Terrorism"?

198 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:35:25pm

I'm toast. I can't process any more information tonight.

Have a good night, all.

199 darthstar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:35:28pm

re: #191 JasonA

Rachel Maddow sued for reading statement verbatim...?

What the fuck kind of "ministry" is that asshole running?

200 darthstar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:37:08pm

re: #197 JasonA

Fox Senior VP Of Business News Cavuto: "I Would Welcome A Downgrade. ... I Think It Would Be The Pain From Which We Have A Gain"

Effin morons the lot of them...

It's great if you have enough cash on hand to weather the storm. Neil Cavuto has probably spread his wealth to dozens of accounts with 100K each in them so they're all FDIC insured...wait...if we default, does that mean the FDIC is broke too? Should have thought further ahead than your two fingers of penis, Neil.

201 austin_blue  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:37:37pm

re: #186 ggt

just lovely.

In Dallas? Who could possibly be responsible?

I bet it was a member of the Democrat Party. 'Cause it's them Democrat activists that stir up the pot. With their Democrat shady deals and their Democrat ideals.

Fuckin' Democrat Party.

Signed,
A true, red, white, and blue Texan.
The Lone Star Rules!

202 Kragar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:38:08pm

re: #191 JasonA

Rachel Maddow sued for reading statement verbatim...?

"HOW DARE THEY QUOTE ME IN THE PROPER CONTEXT!"

203 Kragar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:38:30pm

re: #199 darthstar

What the fuck kind of "ministry" is that asshole running?

Christian.

204 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:39:01pm

re: #194 darthstar

I'll have the burrito supreme, the fiesta chicken taco...and a side of baby boy.

///Sounds like a modest proposal...

205 jaunte  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:39:13pm

re: #199 darthstar

What the fuck kind of "ministry" is that asshole running?

The kind for homophobic idiots:

In January, when a woman named Sharon Lubinski became the first openly lesbian federal marshal, Dean claimed her appointment was illegal, saying: “Sodomy is against the law in the United States. Homosexuality is against the law in the United States.”

On average, he says, gay people “molest 117 people before they’re found out.” Like others on the far right, he presents homosexuality as part of a conspiracy designed to erode the United States from its foundations. As one of his mentors, Harry Jackson, said on Dean’s radio show, gay marriage is part of “a satanic plot to destroy our seed.” [Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

206 Kragar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:40:24pm

Christian rockers, because Glam bands and New Wavers needed someone to make fun of.

207 justaminute  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:41:58pm

Sorry I had to take off after my rant. We had a late dinner. During dinner my husband said that I wouldn't believe what the Iranian government had announced. They are making it illegal to have more than one wife. And they are instituting a five day work week. The extra day off is called "Family Day." Now that is good, weird news. We don't know what to think.

208 Kragar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:42:39pm

re: #205 jaunte

The kind for homophobic idiots:

Someday, historians will look back at the Evangelical movement and dub this era as "The Golden Age of making shit up".

209 Stanghazi  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:43:06pm

re: #205 jaunte

This was the dude, iirc, that gave the hate prayer opening in Minnesota or wisconsin. Not too long ago.

210 BongCrodny  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:43:28pm

re: #193 jaunte

Bradlee Dean, a Minnesota mental rocker


He and Michelle Bachmann seem to have a BFF thing going on.

The mind boggles at the thought that there's even a slim chance this guy could become the nation's de facto spiritual leader.

211 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:43:35pm

re: #187 CuriousLurker

BTW, there's also this from the archives of The Nation that I ran across yesterday—IO don't think I've seen it posted here yet:

From the Archive: Missing: The 'Right' Babies

It's a good read about the whole far right women-should-stop-whoring-around-and-stay-home-hav ing-babies attitude that assets Christendom needs to out-breed the encroaching Muslim hordes.

Alright ladies, get thee home and drop you knickers if you love America! //

Another commentator, Phillip Longman, is a deliberately counterintuitive face for demographic winter: a policy writer for the center-left Democratic Leadership Council and author of The Empty Cradle: How Falling Birthrates Threaten World Prosperity and What To Do About It.

These people must be living on another planet.

WTF?

212 darthstar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:44:07pm

re: #206 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Christian rockers, because Glam bands and New Wavers needed someone to make fun of.

Dude...you're supposed to slide the cucumber down the FRONT of your spandex.

213 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:46:06pm

re: #189 ggt

Holt is convinced a society cannot protect itself from a Breivik through surveillance or increased security.

"The only way to prevent this from happening in the future is to turn the mirror, look at ourselves and see what the hell happened," says Holt. "This boy is born in the best and richest country in the world, he has had every single chance of being happy, perfectly adjusted human being, but something went terribly wrong, and we have to ask ourselves why."

Makes me want to read her books.

Author has 2 books at Audible.com --in the cart waiting for my credits to renew.

214 Spocomptonite  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:48:16pm

re: #94 SanFranciscoZionist

“Harry Potter is about confronting fears, finding inner strength and doing what is right in the face of adversity. Twilight is about how important it is to have a boyfriend.”

— Stephen King

THE TRUTH.
Harry potter is pretty good storytelling. Twilight is bad writing. It's Mary Sue writing, which makes it even more disturbing to read.
Not only that, but it essentially glorifies misogynistic relationships from a girl's point of view. It makes me gag when I think about how many girls read it and think having such shallow existences and relationships is OMG the best thing ever AHHHHHHH!!!1! blech. See?
Bella isn't a character in Twilight, she's just an object that stuff happens to/around, and that is a terrible mindset for girls to have of themselves.

/twilight rant.

215 Kragar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:48:16pm
216 Kragar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:51:09pm

Heckled Christian Rock Band Knows How Jesus Felt

After walking off stage to a chorus of boos, threats, and obscenities, local Christian rock band Enter the Kingdom told reporters Friday that they now knew exactly how Jesus felt when he was persecuted.

217 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:52:53pm

Religiously-based psychological abuse of children is a growing area of interest in the psychological and sociological community. It can take the form of using teachings to subjugate children through fear, or imposing heavy indoctrination such that the child is taught only the beliefs and/or points of view of their particular sect (or even just that of their caregivers) and all other perspectives are stifled or kept from them. The beliefs are taught as absolute truth, with no way of ever questioning them. Psychologist Jill Mytton describes this as crushing the child's chance to form a personal morality and belief system, making them utterly reliant on their religious system and/or parents. They never learn to critically reflect on information they receive. Similarly, the use of fear and a judgmental environment (such as the concept of Hell) to control the child can be traumatic.[4]

Ring any bells?

218 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:54:02pm

re: #214 Spocomptonite

THE TRUTH.
Harry potter is pretty good storytelling. Twilight is bad writing. It's Mary Sue writing, which makes it even more disturbing to read.
Not only that, but it essentially glorifies misogynistic relationships from a girl's point of view. It makes me gag when I think about how many girls read it and think having such shallow existences and relationships is OMG the best thing ever AHHH!!!1! blech. See?
Bella isn't a character in Twilight, she's just an object that stuff happens to/around, and that is a terrible mindset for girls to have of themselves.

/twilight rant.

The problem with Harry Potter is that the more you think about it, the more weird stuff that doesn't make sense pops up.

For example, despite the wonder Harry has for the magical world, he is profoundly uncurious when it comes to doing research on it, like reading books about its history and what not.

That's why I think you should all try Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality.

[Link: www.fanfiction.net...]

Because there's nothing so magical you can't at least apply the scientific method to it!

219 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:54:24pm

re: #211 ggt

These people must be living on another planet.

WTF?

The racial preferences behind Berlusconi's "baby bonus" came into embarrassing relief when immigrant parents were accidentally sent checks for their offspring and then asked to return the money: the Italian government hadn't meant to promote those births.

220 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:55:48pm

re: #218 jamesfirecat

The problem with Harry Potter is that the more you think about it, the more weird stuff that doesn't make sense pops up.

For example, despite the wonder Harry has for the magical world, he is profoundly uncurious when it comes to doing research on it, like reading books about its history and what not.

That's why I think you should all try Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality.

[Link: www.fanfiction.net...]

Because there's nothing so magical you can't at least apply the scientific method to it!

You can critique the world-building--it's not flawless by any means--but it works.

221 sagehen  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:56:16pm

re: #63 austin_blue

OT:

Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy!!

Tropical Storm Don is in the gulf! Here is the blend of the storm tracks:

[Link: www.nhc.noaa.gov...]

Yay! A chance of rain on saturday! Hold a good thought for us Texas lizards, please. This is our reality:

[Link: droughtmonitor.unl.edu...]

Which is just fucking ridiculous.

Now, on to the European Proto-fascisti...


You do realize Rick Perry is going to take credit for how his prayers made it happen....

222 laZardo  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:56:26pm

Two moar job apps to fill out. :I How's everyone?

223 Gus  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:57:36pm

re: #211 ggt

These people must be living on another planet.

WTF?

Hey! On behalf of the Intergalactic Alien Federation I demand an apology! Please don't compare our people to your errant and dysfunctional human populations.

//

224 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:58:03pm

re: #218 jamesfirecat

The problem with Harry Potter is that the more you think about it, the more weird stuff that doesn't make sense pops up.

For example, despite the wonder Harry has for the magical world, he is profoundly uncurious when it comes to doing research on it, like reading books about its history and what not.

That's why I think you should all try Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality.

[Link: www.fanfiction.net...]

Because there's nothing so magical you can't at least apply the scientific method to it!

Harry is a typical teenage boy --he just likes cool shit, the reflection and curiously comes later.

225 Kragar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:58:26pm

re: #220 SanFranciscoZionist

You can critique the world-building--it's not flawless by any means--but it works.

Willing suspension of disbelief. Some writers can pull it off, some can't.

Vampires don't fucking sparkle.

226 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:58:32pm
227 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 7:59:22pm

re: #225 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Willing suspension of disbelief. Some writers can pull it off, some can't.

Vampires don't fucking sparkle.

How do you know?

228 Kragar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:00:08pm

re: #227 ggt

How do you know?

I used magnets.

229 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:00:17pm

re: #220 SanFranciscoZionist

You can critique the world-building--it's not flawless by any means--but it works.

The story telling of Harry Potter is fairly good, and the world building itself is fairly well done... but the world they build makes no sense.

In the seventh book we find out that the Goblins have a substance that instantly removes the Imperius hex from anyone splashed with it.....

GEEE, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN F***ING USEFUL TO HAVE TWO YEARS BACK! You know, back at the MINISTRY OF MAGIC where a guy who had been imperiused was forced to break in and got wounded but got away and thus if they'd used the stuff on him he would have been freed to tell our heroes what had been going on.

Or hey, maybe if the bad guy is going to make every one of his subjects wear an identical tattoo... maybe when we hear that the bad guy is back, we call everyone in, have everyone roll up their sleeves, check for illusions and if you have that mark you're put into protective custody until the whole thing is resolved....

The idiocies on the heroes side of the story were only balanced out by having the villains be idiots also....

230 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:04:22pm

re: #184 Mr Pancakes

Well I was thinking sex... but yes you can't walk away from pancake you must flip pancake.

:squints skeptically: I suspect you are still thinking "sex".

231 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:04:31pm

re: #8 jamesfirecat

You know normally right now I'd say something pithy, but you know what? Words fail me.

I spent two years of my life as a summer camp counselor, it was a boyscout camp in a heavily wooded area...

Not exactly island difficult to get to, but would provide a wonderful place for a jackass to go around shooting people and being difficult to with lots of places to hide.

Those of you who have any reaction beyond outright want to vomit with rage/fear revulsion at this mans actions... FUCK YOU!

Well put, James. Rodan AKA Dorkus and his asshole friends come of looking like the dirtbags they are in this.

[waves to the Stalkers]

232 Gus  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:05:20pm

Heh. That psycho wingnut "Cesar Tort" (aka Chechar) which Fjordman links to updated that crazed post of his:

P.S. Jaego Scorzne nailed it elsewhere.

Scorzne said…

Yes, History will judge. If Europe rises up, Breivik will be seen as a Hero, a latter day Charles Martel. This is Breivik’s hope and vision. If Islam conquers, he will be just seen as a failed crusader–and forgotten since he failed and didn’t kill any Muslims anyway. If Liberals win, he will go down in history as a Criminal. But this is actually the least likely scenario long term since Liberalism is a death cult [see here]. Who cares what they think?

My point is that history is interactive. It’s not written in stone until the stones are toppled one upon another. Short term we play him down for sure, but use his trial for all it’s worth. These people may not like us but the stakes are too big to let that get in the way–way too big.

233 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:05:53pm

re: #230 Slumbering Behemoth

:squints skeptically: I suspect you are still thinking "sex".

Well when they are they are bubbly you got to flip them ya know.

234 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:08:26pm

I think the Whackos are waiting for another Tower of Babel. G-d will strike us down, take away our means of electronic communication and seperate the peoples again.

WTF?

235 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:08:42pm

re: #211 ggt

These people must be living on another planet.

WTF?

not really. There's a good case to be made that an aging a shrinking nation will inevitably be one in decline.

"If you're not growin', you're dyin'!"

"Big Tom" Callahan (Brian Dennehy) Tommy Boy

236 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:09:02pm

re: #231 Dark_Falcon

Well put, James. Rodan AKA Dorkus and his asshole friends come of looking like the dirtbags they are in this.

[waves to the Stalkers]

Wow, that's a name I haven't thought about in a long time.

237 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:09:11pm

Hiya Lizards! I am blogging from a hotel in Norman for the next couple of days because the A/C is broke...It is horribly hot in Oklahoma..And I'm leaving little Winston to die in a million degrees apt.

238 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:09:14pm

re: #232 Gus 802

I just want to know what these lunatics are pickling their brains with, 'cuz whatever it is, it's clearly stronger than anything that can be legally purchased at any liquor store I've been too. And I've been to many.

239 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:09:36pm

re: #228 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I used magnets.

How do they work?

240 laZardo  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:09:50pm

re: #228 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I used magnets.

MIRACULOUS.

241 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:10:07pm

re: #237 HoosierHoops

Hiya Lizards! I am blogging from a hotel in Norman for the next couple of days because the A/C is broke...It is horribly hot in Oklahoma..And I'm not leaving little Winston to die in a million degrees apt.


Jeeez

242 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:10:56pm

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

not really. There's a good case to be made that an aging a shrinking nation will inevitably be one in decline.

"If you're not growin', you're dyin'!"

"Big Tom" Callahan (Brian Dennehy) Tommy Boy

And the population will be replaced by another. Has been happening since the beginning of people.

Do we learn nothing from archeology?

243 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:11:53pm

re: #239 ggt

How do they work?

Fire, water, air and dirt...

244 Gus  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:12:31pm

re: #238 Slumbering Behemoth

I just want to know what these lunatics are pickling their brains with, 'cuz whatever it is, it's clearly stronger than anything that can be legally purchased at any liquor store I've been too. And I've been to many.

Yep. Either that or what they're not on. That is they're probably off of their meds and have been for at least a decade now.

245 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:12:32pm

re: #237 HoosierHoops

Hiya Lizards! I am blogging from a hotel in Norman for the next couple of days because the A/C is broke...It is horribly hot in Oklahoma..And I'm leaving little Winston to die in a million degrees apt.

Cruel you......

246 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:12:39pm

re: #232 Gus 802

Heh. That psycho wingnut "Cesar Tort" (aka Chechar) which Fjordman links to updated that crazed post of his:

What. The. Hell? If you're so far gone that you're comparing leading an army into battle with an armed invader to massacring unarmed people at a summer camp, then you truly are lower than shit.

That "Caesar" must be a reincarnation of Domitian, the bloody persecutor of Christians and murderer of Senators.

247 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:12:52pm

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

not really. There's a good case to be made that an aging a shrinking nation will inevitably be one in decline.

"If you're not growin', you're dyin'!"

"Big Tom" Callahan (Brian Dennehy) Tommy Boy

If immigrant's children are rejected, which they are by many of the people cited in the article, that could be the case--or not.

However, I'd rather be a free woman in a dying nation than a broodmare for a nationalist cult. Straight up.

248 Kragar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:13:29pm

re: #239 ggt

How do they work?

Ropes and pulleys

249 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:13:30pm

re: #241 HoosierHoops

Jeeez

Thank goodness! I thought you'd gone savage from the heat.

250 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:13:42pm

re: #242 ggt

And the population will be replaced by another. Has been happening since the beginning of people.

Do we learn nothing from archeology?

It's funny that these people think that 'Western civilization' is always the same people.

251 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:14:20pm

re: #247 SanFranciscoZionist

If immigrant's children are rejected, which they are by many of the people cited in the article, that could be the case--or not.

However, I'd rather be a free woman in a dying nation than a broodmare for a nationalist cult. Straight up.

QFT

252 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:14:31pm

re: #247 SanFranciscoZionist

Bonus points for "broodmare".

253 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:15:13pm

re: #242 ggt

And the population will be replaced by another. Has been happening since the beginning of people.

Do we learn nothing from archeology?

I know. That's why having enough children is important. At some level, its just a morale question: If you're dying out, how can you be expected to strive and achieve?

254 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:15:47pm

re: #247 SanFranciscoZionist

If immigrant's children are rejected, which they are by many of the people cited in the article, that could be the case--or not.

However, I'd rather be a free woman in a dying nation than a broodmare for a nationalist cult. Straight up.

I'd rather children be wanted rather than chattel for the dominionsits.

255 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:16:30pm

Hell's bells.

Local news promised us a view of a divine vine somewhere - I'm guessing it looks like some religious figure - but they've had a whole news segment with no mention of it, and I'm not sure I can stay up long enough to see this.

256 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:16:54pm

re: #253 Dark_Falcon

I know. That's why having enough children is important. At some level, its just a morale question: If you're dying out, how can you be expected to strive and achieve?

Who The Fuck is dying out? Human beings?

If anyone is worried about their genes going extinct, inbreeding with your own kind isn't the answer.

257 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:17:34pm

re: #255 reine.de.tout

Hell's bells.

Local news promised us a view of a divine vine somewhere - I'm guessing it looks like some religious figure - but they've had a whole news segment with no mention of it, and I'm not sure I can stay up long enough to see this.

If you search on 'divine vine', you can see a picture of it.

It's rather pretty, really.

258 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:18:51pm

re: #257 SanFranciscoZionist

If you search on 'divine vine', you can see a picture of it.

It's rather pretty, really.

topiary?

259 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:19:15pm

re: #255 reine.de.tout

Hell's bells.

Local news promised us a view of a divine vine somewhere - I'm guessing it looks like some religious figure - but they've had a whole news segment with no mention of it, and I'm not sure I can stay up long enough to see this.

There is only one "Divine Vine".

260 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:19:27pm

re: #249 prairiefire

Thank goodness! I thought you'd gone savage from the heat.

LOL...When I reread that I was horrified...Funny what one missed word can do to a whole post....
We'll be here for several days...
I heard today that the law in Oklahoma is you have 48 hours to fix the heat or A/C system.. Cause you know..The weather pretty much sucks here..I dunno know....

261 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:20:26pm

re: #258 ggt

topiary?

Just a natural growth, I think. I'm not sure whether Reine wants me to ruin it for her...seeing as they might still run it on the news.

It's much nicer than the Jesus-on-a-Wal-Mart-receipt, I think.

262 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:21:07pm

re: #260 HoosierHoops

LOL...When I reread that I was horrified...Funny what one missed word can do to a whole post...
We'll be here for several days...
I heard today that the law in Oklahoma is you have 48 hours to fix the heat or A/C system.. Cause you know..The weather pretty much sucks here..I dunno know...

Tell me about it, I feel like I need to shower everytime I come in from outside.

263 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:21:31pm

re: #257 SanFranciscoZionist

If you search on 'divine vine', you can see a picture of it.

It's rather pretty, really.

Well, it is!
And a quite interesting shape to it! It does actually look like a man on a cross = unlike the Wal-Mart receipt which just looks like any guy with a beard.

264 Gus  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:22:03pm

I am just aghast that so many people would even mildly try to rationalize Breivik's actions. Even more disturbing is the outright support that Breivik is receiving from more reactionary persons. I thought that there would be some support but I never guess there would be this wide range of support from the mild rationalizing to the outright support. Even by those in the national spotlight like Pat Buchanan who is employed by MSNBC. When people talk about "never again" I use to think that it was impossible and that we could quite easily attain the goals of the idea of "never again". Today, tonight, I'm not quite so sure.

265 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:22:25pm

re: #263 reine.de.tout

Well, it is!
And a quite interesting shape to it! It does actually look like a man on a cross = unlike the Wal-Mart receipt which just looks like any guy with a beard.

Here it is.

266 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:22:32pm

re: #253 Dark_Falcon

I know. That's why having enough children is important. At some level, its just a morale question: If you're dying out, how can you be expected to strive and achieve?

I agree with this movement.

267 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:23:29pm

re: #259 Slumbering Behemoth

There is only one "Divine Vine".

Turbina corymbosa and Banisteriopsis caapi would like to contest that ruling.

268 justaminute  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:23:51pm

re: #260 HoosierHoops

LOL...When I reread that I was horrified...Funny what one missed word can do to a whole post...
We'll be here for several days...
I heard today that the law in Oklahoma is you have 48 hours to fix the heat or A/C system.. Cause you know..The weather pretty much sucks here..I dunno know...

I don't know about the law. Maybe it is for landlords. Our rental properties AC went out and we are have to by a new one. It will be installed tomorrow. We have had the A/C guy at the restaurant at least once every 6 days or so. They are working at least 12 hr days right now and racking in the money. Good job, see not everyone needs to go to college.

269 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:24:15pm

re: #266 Mr Pancakes

I agree with this movement.

To some extent. It is a damper on an evening when you go to a nice pricey restaurant for date night with your husband and you have to navigate strollers and high chairs to get to your table.

270 sagehen  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:24:57pm

re: #121 talon_262

Waterboarding ain't got shit on a Twilight-a-thon, apparently...


But the "Mark Reads Twilight" series is pretty darn entertaining...

[Link: markreads.net...]

included in the archive are:

Twilight
Chapter 14: Mind Over Matter – In which Mark composes the list, “The Top 10 Reasons Why Your Boyfriend Might Not Be Right For You, With Evidence Taken Solely Out of Chapter 14 of Twilight”

New Moon
Chapter 2: Stitches – In which Mark whines and yells about a lot of things, mostly Carlisle and the sex-shaming, but honestly, I can’t even read my own reviews anymore because they make me so angry.

Eclipse
Chapter 4: Nature – In which nothing makes any goddamn sense. Why did I read this bullshit?

Breaking Dawn
Chapter 6: Distractions – In which Mark explains why he hates this chapter using only pie charts. It’s science.

Chapter 6: Distractions – In which Mark explains why he hates this chapter using only pie charts. It’s science.

271 jaunte  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:25:00pm

re: #242 ggt

And the population will be replaced by another. Has been happening since the beginning of people.

Do we learn nothing from archeology?

The populations of Asia and Africa are growing faster than those of Europe and North America; that's enough reason for some people to panic.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

272 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:25:40pm

re: #260 HoosierHoops

LOL...When I reread that I was horrified...Funny what one missed word can do to a whole post...
We'll be here for several days...
I heard today that the law in Oklahoma is you have 48 hours to fix the heat or A/C system.. Cause you know..The weather pretty much sucks here..I dunno know...

I tell the kids they have to come in with me when I run errands or I will be arrested for leaving them in the car.

273 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:26:27pm

re: #271 jaunte

The populations of Asia and Africa are growing faster than those of Europe and North America; that's enough reason for some people to panic.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Yes, that's why I thought the writers I linked to were from another planet. The birthrate is not going down --perhaps in certain areas, certain groups, but overall, the birthrate is not going down.

IMHO, I don't see it being a problem for white people either.

274 Stanghazi  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:27:47pm

re: #237 HoosierHoops

Hiya Lizards! I am blogging from a hotel in Norman for the next couple of days because the A/C is broke...It is horribly hot in Oklahoma..And I'm leaving little Winston to die in a million degrees apt.

No. No you are not.

275 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:28:13pm

re: #269 ggt

To some extent. It is a damper on an evening when you go to a nice pricey restaurant for date night with your husband and you have to navigate strollers and high chairs to get to your table.

I want to take the next logical step and just ban people with no manners regardless of age.

276 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:29:21pm

re: #264 Gus 802

It's really fucking depressing. Back when the terrorist attacks of 9/11 happened, we had stupid leftists saying we deserved it for our foreign policy, and stupid fundamentalist evangelicals saying we deserved it for our tolerance of gays and any number of things they hate.

These wingnut assholes are no different than those scum.

277 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:29:34pm

re: #268 justaminute

I don't know about the law. Maybe it is for landlords. Our rental properties AC went out and we are have to by a new one. It will be installed tomorrow. We have had the A/C guy at the restaurant at least once every 6 days or so. They are working at least 12 hr days right now and racking in the money. Good job, see not everyone needs to go to college.

I'm just renting by OU for a few more months.. People at work told me it was the law....I'm not worried about it...Winston and I are cool in a local Hotel...
Hope you are well

278 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:29:43pm

re: #274 Stanley Sea

No. No you are not.

Man, and I always avoid corrections....... but in some cases you cannot...... one little word missing meant so much.

279 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:30:07pm

re: #266 Mr Pancakes

I agree with this movement.

Fuck yes! Happy Not A Father's Day!

280 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:31:38pm

re: #275 The Ghost of a Flea

I want to take the next logical step and just ban people with no manners regardless of age.

I agree.... but let's start with kids.

281 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:32:40pm

how very, very cool!

"Despite international opposition, the Taliban destroyed the statues with massive explosions in 2001. At the time they were blown up, the statues were the largest Buddha carvings in the world, and it seemed they were gone for good.

But today, teams from the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization, along with the International Council on Monuments and Sites, are engaged in the painstaking process of putting the broken Buddhas back together.

Up to half of the Buddha pieces can be recovered, according to Bert Praxenthaler, a German art historian and sculptor, who has been working at the site for the past eight years. He and his crew have sifted through 400 tons of rubble and have recovered many parts of the statues along with shrapnel, land mines and explosives that were used in their demolition"

282 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:32:58pm

re: #217 ggt

Religiously-based psychological abuse of children is a growing area of interest in the psychological and sociological community. It can take the form of using teachings to subjugate children through fear, or imposing heavy indoctrination such that the child is taught only the beliefs and/or points of view of their particular sect (or even just that of their caregivers) and all other perspectives are stifled or kept from them. The beliefs are taught as absolute truth, with no way of ever questioning them. Psychologist Jill Mytton describes this as crushing the child's chance to form a personal morality and belief system, making them utterly reliant on their religious system and/or parents. They never learn to critically reflect on information they receive. Similarly, the use of fear and a judgmental environment (such as the concept of Hell) to control the child can be traumatic.[4]

Ring any bells?

Yes.

283 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:33:05pm

re: #256 ggt

Who The Fuck is dying out? Human beings?

If anyone is worried about their genes going extinct, inbreeding with your own kind isn't the answer.

I just meant it as an argument, GGT. The only nation you can truly say is dying out is Japan.

284 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:33:07pm

linky

:0

285 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:33:42pm

re: #269 ggt

To some extent. It is a damper on an evening when you go to a nice pricey restaurant for date night with your husband and you have to navigate strollers and high chairs to get to your table.

When I was a kid, we were lucky to go to McDonalds. We only went out somewhere nice once a year, for Easter Brunch, and only when we were old enough not to behave like animals.

This may make me sound like an asshole, but my advice to parents with young children is... if you can't afford a babysitter, then you can't afford to eat a nice restaurant. GO TO FUCKING IHOP!!!

286 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:34:15pm

re: #278 Mr Pancakes

Man, and I always avoid corrections... but in some cases you cannot... one little word missing meant so much.

That is so true.. I left out one word and it changed everything..Like my Cousin Vinny...
I Killed him?
You killed him
I killed him?
LOL

287 jaunte  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:34:18pm

re: #264 Gus 802

I am just aghast that so many people would even mildly try to rationalize Breivik's actions. Even more disturbing is the outright support that Breivik is receiving from more reactionary persons.

The Daily show just had a bizarre roundup of all the conservative talking heads who decided (as a further diversion from Breivik's actions and rationale) that the key aspect of the Utøya shooting was the ensuing victimization of all Christians by secular leftists.

288 Stanghazi  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:34:23pm

re: #248 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ropes and pulleys

Are you this funny in REAL LIFE? Dog help your friends and fam.

289 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:34:40pm

re: #285 Slumbering Behemoth

When I was a kid, we were lucky to go to McDonalds. We only went out somewhere nice once a year, for Easter Brunch, and only when we were old enough not to behave like animals.

This may make me sound like an asshole, but my advice to parents with young children is... if you can't afford a babysitter, then you can't afford to eat a nice restaurant. GO TO FUCKING IHOP!!!

IHOP? Sending you the evil stink eye.

290 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:35:36pm

re: #253 Dark_Falcon

I know. That's why having enough children is important.

Enough children according to whom?

At some level, its just a morale question: If you're dying out, how can you be expected to strive and achieve?

I don't agree with compulsory breeding. It's an abhorrent idea.

291 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:36:15pm

re: #285 Slumbering Behemoth

When I was a kid, we were lucky to go to McDonalds. We only went out somewhere nice once a year, for Easter Brunch, and only when we were old enough not to behave like animals.

This may make me sound like an asshole, but my advice to parents with young children is... if you can't afford a babysitter, then you can't afford to eat a nice restaurant. GO TO FUCKING IHOP!!!

There are no babysitters.

Kids have dates and are too tired from their soccer matches. They aren't hungry for the money anymore.

If you don't have a family member or neighbor you can drop the kids off with you are FUBAR.

292 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:36:40pm

re: #287 jaunte

The Daily show just had a bizarre roundup of all the conservative talking heads who decided (as a further diversion from Breivik's actions and rationale) that the key aspect of the Utøya shooting was the ensuing victimization of all Christians by secular leftists.

They think they're being victimized when someone says "no" to their lifestyle choice. They can go shove off.

293 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:37:20pm

re: #285 Slumbering Behemoth

When I was a kid, we were lucky to go to McDonalds. We only went out somewhere nice once a year, for Easter Brunch, and only when we were old enough not to behave like animals.

This may make me sound like an asshole, but my advice to parents with young children is... if you can't afford a babysitter, then you can't afford to eat a nice restaurant. GO TO FUCKING IHOP!!!

I agree with you, and I had a young kid at one time. We left her at home on the rare jaunt to a nice restaurant. The really nice thing here, though - there are so very many restaurants with excellent food that are family restaurants, we didn't have to do without an excellent restaurant meal, we could just bring her with us.

294 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:37:23pm

re: #292 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

They think they're being victimized when someone says "no" to their lifestyle choice. They can go shove off.

hmmmm, I hear that from the rwnj's too!

295 jaunte  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:37:39pm

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

"If you're not growin', you're dyin'!"

"Big Tom" Callahan (Brian Dennehy) Tommy Boy


I saw Brian Dennehy at The Palm once, 'growing' around what had to be a 5lb lobster.

296 Kragar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:38:03pm

re: #288 Stanley Sea

Are you this funny in REAL LIFE? Dog help your friends and fam.

Yes, I am. A conversation at work yesterday:

Coworker: "You know what they did on Myth Busters?"
Me: "Your mom?"
CW: "...No."
Me: "Damn, you're right. She was on Miss Busters, my bad."
CW: "I hate you so much."

The rest of the office was laughing their asses off.

297 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:38:35pm

re: #287 jaunte

The Daily show just had a bizarre roundup of all the conservative talking heads who decided (as a further diversion from Breivik's actions and rationale) that the key aspect of the Utøya shooting was the ensuing victimization of all Christians by secular leftists.

Anything less than total submission to what we want is oppression.//

298 justaminute  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:39:10pm

re: #277 HoosierHoops

I'm just renting by OU for a few more months.. People at work told me it was the law...I'm not worried about it...Winston and I are cool in a local Hotel...
Hope you are well

It probably is. I don't need a law to make me fix the A/C. The AC was still working but only cooling the rental house down to around 80 degrees.That is to miserable for me.

The problem I have at the restaurant is the AC always being changed. What do you do when you have a little old 90 year old woman that says "I'm freezing" at the same time a 230 lb. guy that comes in from outside that says "Man, it is damn hot in here." It'll drive you crazy.

299 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:39:25pm

re: #291 ggt

There are no babysitters.

Kids have dates and are too tired from their soccer matches. They aren't hungry for the money anymore.

If you don't have a family member or neighbor you can drop the kids off with you are FUBAR.

You know, you're right. I recall having trouble finding sitters - we also have trouble these days finding a neighborhood kid who is willing to mow your lawn.

300 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:40:18pm

re: #294 ggt

hmmm, I hear that from the rwnj's too!

Except no one is trying to curtail their rights just because they choose to live as bigots. Not so, for the bigots.

301 Lidane  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:40:55pm

re: #247 SanFranciscoZionist

I'd rather be a free woman in a dying nation than a broodmare for a nationalist cult. Straight up.

Agreed.

302 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:41:13pm

re: #295 jaunte

I saw Brian Dennehy at The Palm once, 'growing' around what had to be a 5lb lobster.

Great restaurant, The Palm. We've got one in downtown Chicago, and it fits Chicago's steakhouse culture very well.

303 Idle Drifter  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:41:42pm

re: #298 justaminute

It probably is. I don't need a law to make me fix the A/C. The AC was still working but only cooling the rental house down to around 80 degrees.That is to miserable for me.

The problem I have at the restaurant is the AC always being changed. What do you do when you have a little old 90 year old woman that says "I'm freezing" at the same time a 230 lb. guy that comes in from outside that says "Man, it is damn hot in here." It'll drive you crazy.

This why I am a fan of underground homes and earth ships. Yeah, it looks silly at first and expensive but I love the fact I go into a basement in a normal house with no A/C and feel comfortable.

304 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:42:02pm

re: #297 The Ghost of a Flea

Anything less than total submission to what we want is oppression.//

Yet, they froth at the mouth screaming it's "the Muslims" who require everyone else to be the dhimmi's.

305 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:42:03pm

re: #302 Dark_Falcon

Great restaurant, The Palm. We've got one in downtown Chicago, and it fits Chicago's steakhouse culture very well.

Dark...... can you get fresh seafood in Chicago?

306 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:42:03pm

re: #298 justaminute

It probably is. I don't need a law to make me fix the A/C. The AC was still working but only cooling the rental house down to around 80 degrees.That is to miserable for me.

The problem I have at the restaurant is the AC always being changed. What do you do when you have a little old 90 year old woman that says "I'm freezing" at the same time a 230 lb. guy that comes in from outside that says "Man, it is damn hot in here." It'll drive you crazy.

Hi You! I found the best restaurant in Oklahoma..Besides you..
Tiffany's in Noble.. Wow just wow

307 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:42:17pm

re: #291 ggt

There are no babysitters.

Kids have dates and are too tired from their soccer matches. They aren't hungry for the money anymore.

If you don't have a family member or neighbor you can drop the kids off with you are FUBAR.

Tough. They're not my children, and I get sick and tired of permissive parents allowing their nasty little spawn to scream and cry when I'm trying to have a nice meal. Or watch a movie.

308 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:42:25pm

re: #300 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Except no one is trying to curtail their rights just because they choose to live as bigots. Not so, for the bigots.

The past few days everyone seems to be in a tizzy --understandably so.

I see it more as an opportunity open dialogues to reach an common ground. What I see is a lot of intolerance --on all sides.

Sorry, your post just triggered me.

309 Gus  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:43:04pm

re: #287 jaunte

The Daily show just had a bizarre roundup of all the conservative talking heads who decided (as a further diversion from Breivik's actions and rationale) that the key aspect of the Utøya shooting was the ensuing victimization of all Christians by secular leftists.

Unlike them, I have no plans on judging Christians by the actions or words of Breivik. I'm a lot smarter than that. It's the same as I've done with Muslims over the years. Of course I don't speak for some imaginary block of "secular leftists". But I'm pretty sure that's how most people on the secular left will react.

310 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:43:41pm

re: #307 Slumbering Behemoth

Tough. They're not my children, and I get sick and tired of permissive parents allowing their nasty little spawn to scream and cry when I'm trying to have a nice meal. Or watch a movie.

I agree, little children should be in bed at 9pm, not out with their parents. There is a reason they misbehave --they are over tired and out of their environment.

311 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:44:56pm

re: #289 Mr Pancakes

IHOP? Sending you the evil stink eye.

Heh. I like IHOP, but when I eat there I expect to see one of two things...

1. Permissive parents with screaming children
2. Elderly people eating dinner at 3:30pm

... and I don't bitch about either one.

312 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:46:05pm

re: #290 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I don't agree with compulsory breeding. It's an abhorrent idea.

Did I say one word about compulsory breeding?

No, I did not. I find it abhorrent as well. But that does not change the fact that a nation that has too few children is headed downhill.

I you want to think of me in terms of my thoughts on the important of producing a proper next generation, think Mark Steyn, not Bryan Fischer. I'll say its important and advocate policies that are pro-family, but I will never engage or advocate any acts intended to force people to have or not have children.

313 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:46:10pm

re: #311 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh. I like IHOP, but when I eat there I expect to see one of two things...

1. Permissive parents with screaming children
2. Elderly people eating dinner at 3:30pm

... and I don't bitch about either one.

That would be why I don't go to IHOP.

314 justaminute  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:47:49pm

re: #311 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh. I like IHOP, but when I eat there I expect to see one of two things...

1. Permissive parents with screaming children
2. Elderly people eating dinner at 3:30pm

... and I don't bitch about either one.

I love customers like you. To bad your not one of mine. Ah..well..

315 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:47:55pm

re: #308 ggt

The past few days everyone seems to be in a tizzy --understandably so.

I see it more as an opportunity open dialogues to reach an common ground. What I see is a lot of intolerance --on all sides.

Sorry, your post just triggered me.

Yeah but that's mbf. We don't have to be tolerant of those intolerant of us, especially since our existence harms no one. It's counterintuitive.

316 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:48:12pm

re: #305 Mr Pancakes

Dark... can you get fresh seafood in Chicago?

Oh yes, certainly. Though my three favorite seafood restaurants are in the suburbs:

Pappadeux (Westmont)
The Davis Street Fish Market (Evanston)
and Bob Chinn's (Wheeling)

317 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:48:43pm

re: #312 Dark_Falcon

Did I say one word about compulsory breeding?

No, I did not. I find it abhorrent as well. But that does not change the fact that a nation that has too few children is headed downhill.

I you want to think of me in terms of my thoughts on the important of producing a proper next generation, think Mark Steyn, not Bryan Fischer. I'll say its important and advocate policies that are pro-family, but I will never engage or advocate any acts intended to force people to have or not have children.

Nations aren't having too few children --people of certain ethnicities are having too few children. Nation's populations are taking in immigrants and changing the culture --boohoo.

Educated Western Indigenous Species figured out how to use contraception and keep their families to a size they can realistically afford to maintain. THE HORROR!

318 laZardo  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:48:43pm

re: #307 Slumbering Behemoth

Tough. They're not my children, and I get sick and tired of permissive parents allowing their nasty little spawn to scream and cry when I'm trying to have a nice meal. Or watch a movie.

I could never, EVER stand the sound of crying babies and children.

319 Stanghazi  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:48:57pm

re: #294 ggt

hmmm, I hear that from the rwnj's too!

You know, I love the rwnj acronym. (autocorrect tried to change it to rank -appropriate in the way it's supposed to be)

320 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:49:09pm

re: #315 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yeah but that's mbf. We don't have to be tolerant of those intolerant of us, especially since our existence harms no one. It's counterintuitive.

You catch more flies with honey . . . .

321 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:49:22pm

re: #312 Dark_Falcon

Did I say one word about compulsory breeding?

Did I say you did? No, I just made a statement in response to yours.

No, I did not. I find it abhorrent as well. But

No buts.

322 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:49:44pm

re: #318 laZardo

I could never, EVER stand the sound of crying babies and children.

Only the newly born.

323 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:51:12pm

re: #312 Dark_Falcon

You have seen the weird shit Mark Steyn has said, right?

324 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:51:27pm

re: #320 ggt

You catch more flies with honey . . .

Yeah but who wants a bunch of honey-coated flies?

When someone is threatening your well-being simply because they are threatened by your existence, accomodating them could land you in the hospital or the morgue.

Not worth it.

325 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:51:34pm

re: #313 ggt

That would be why I don't go to IHOP.

Found an out of the way one the other night (thank you GPS) and had crape suzettes..... man they were tasty.

326 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:51:56pm

re: #323 ProLifeLiberal

You have seen the weird shit Mark Steyn has said, right?

He links to it.

327 jaunte  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:52:03pm

re: #308 ggt

I've been mulling getting rid of my gas tizzy and going electric, but I worry that it's just trading one form of polluting tizzy for another.

328 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:52:10pm

re: #314 justaminute

I love customers like you. To bad your not one of mine. Ah..well..

What sort of establishment do you work in?

329 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:53:31pm

re: #323 ProLifeLiberal

You have seen the weird shit Mark Steyn has said, right?

Yes, but on the subject of having a next generation he has never advocated any species of coercion. I used him as a viable reference point for a specific issue.

330 Kragar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:54:11pm

re: #323 ProLifeLiberal

You have seen the weird shit Mark Steyn has said, right?

I've heard him sub for Rush a few times. The guy is a nut.

331 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:54:23pm

re: #324 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yeah but who wants a bunch of honey-coated flies?

When someone is threatening your well-being simply because they are threatened by your existence, accomodating them could land you in the hospital or the morgue.

Not worth it.

You know what I mean.

332 justaminute  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:55:21pm

When we have parents that the kids are screaming we bring them a basket of crackers. It makes a mess, but their little throats get so dry and they can't scream..poor little things. It's when they run around do we clamp down. Its dangerous for the kid and the waitress. Hot, hot coffee and running kids don't mix. I've never had to make that lecture more than once and I've never had to ask someone with kid's to leave. Now the adult crowd many,many times.

333 justaminute  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:56:33pm

re: #328 Slumbering Behemoth

What sort of establishment do you work in?

It's like Denney's or IHOP but better..

334 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:57:25pm

re: #332 justaminute

When we have parents that the kids are screaming we bring them a basket of crackers. It makes a mess, but their little throats get so dry and they can't scream..poor little things. It's when they run around do we clamp down. Its dangerous for the kid and the waitress. Hot, hot coffee and running kids don't mix. I've never had to make that lecture more than once and I've never had to ask someone with kid's to leave. Now the adult crowd many,many times.

I look forward to living in a seniors only place someday. GET OFF MY LAWN!

335 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:58:02pm

re: #329 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but on the subject of having a next generation he has never advocated any species of coercion. I used him as a viable reference point for a specific issue.

I haven't followed Steyn. What was his position on funding Planned Parenthood?

336 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:58:03pm

re: #332 justaminute

When we have parents that the kids are screaming we bring them a basket of crackers. It makes a mess, but their little throats get so dry and they can't scream..poor little things. It's when they run around do we clamp down. Its dangerous for the kid and the waitress. Hot, hot coffee and running kids don't mix. I've never had to make that lecture more than once and I've never had to ask someone with kid's to leave. Now the adult crowd many,many times.

In those situations, it's the parents that deserve a spanking. And not the good kind.

337 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:58:13pm

re: #331 ggt

You know what I mean.

Well, what do I know is, I don't have to accommodate, tolerate, or absorb any bigot's legendary hostilities; btdt, doesn't work.

Meanwhile, they're controlling one political party in our two-party system and casting themselves as some kind of victims because they're not in command of the entire populace.

338 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:59:03pm

Not to be dark and bleak about the subject of population, but considering the issues in the food system you might want to think about the fact that the regions that are currently breeding more are soon to be starving more.

339 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 8:59:53pm

OT:

I'm baack!

We just got back from a week of holidays walking through the badlands, a zoo and North America's largest mall (the wife's idea). No stress, no newspapers, no Internet, no bad news, no deadlines and no early mornings. The only problem we had was a bad wheel bearing on the car and it was fixed while we went to Harry Potter 3D.

I hope everyone here had a relaxing and/or productive week.

340 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:00:48pm

re: #337 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Well, what do I know is, I don't have to accommodate, tolerate, or absorb any bigot's legendary hostilities; btdt, doesn't work.

Meanwhile, they're controlling one political party in our two-party system and casting themselves as some kind of victims because they're not in command of the entire populace.

No, you don't.

AND, responding in such a way that just reinforces negative stereotypes doesn't help either.

It becomes a pre-teen like argument of "he said, she said".

Perhaps I should phrase that as a Congress-like argument.

341 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:01:02pm

re: #333 justaminute

It's like Denney's or IHOP but better..

BJ's Kountry Kitchen?

342 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:01:46pm

re: #335 ggt

Paranoid Canadian rwnj, another favorite of ABB. Another running scared of the bogus "multiculturalism/political correctness" bogeyman.

343 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:01:50pm

re: #341 Slumbering Behemoth

BJ's Kountry Kitchen?

They be makin' a fine chicken fried steak there.

344 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:01:50pm

re: #341 Slumbering Behemoth

BJ's Kountry Kitchen?

Just about any local diner in the Chicagoland area. If it isn't on the menu, they probably still make it for you.

345 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:02:33pm

re: #335 ggt

I haven't followed Steyn. What was his position on funding Planned Parenthood?

I did not see him take one. That's not say he didn't take one, it's just that I did see it. I don't read a good bit of what he writes.

346 jaunte  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:03:28pm

re: #341 Slumbering Behemoth

BJ's Kountry Kitchen?


Review...
[Link: fatties.wordpress.com...]

347 Gus  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:04:26pm

Read this:

Civilized societies have found it harder, though, to beat the barbarians without killing all, or nearly all, of them. Were it really to become all-out war of the sort that Osama and his ilk want, the likely result would be genocide -- unavoidable, and provoked, perhaps, but genocide nonetheless, akin to what Rome did to Carthage, or to what Americans did to American Indians. That's what happens when two societies can't live together, and the weaker one won't stop fighting -- especially when the weaker one targets the civilians and children of the stronger. This is why I think it's important to pursue a vigorous military strategy now. Because if we don't, the military strategy we'll have to follow in five or ten years will be light-years beyond "vigorous."

Glenn Reynolds said that in 2002. Essentially he is saying if we don't "pursue vigorous military strategy" genocide is unavoidable. Rather odd don't you think?

348 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:04:32pm

re: #340 ggt

AND, responding in such a way that just reinforces negative stereotypes

I could respond like Mother Theresa, they'll still manufacture a controversy about the whitey tape and my birth certificate.

349 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:05:21pm

re: #343 Mr Pancakes

They be makin' a fine chicken fried steak there.

I'm fond of the chorizo omelette. And it doesn't hurt that the service is excellent.

350 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:05:38pm

The trailer for the new Kevin Smith (clerks, mallrats, etc) movie looks interesting....
Red State Official Trailer

351 Interesting Times  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:05:41pm

re: #329 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but on the subject of having a next generation he has never advocated any species of coercion.

Oh yes he does:

I am, as Tony Blair might say, deeply passionately personally deeply personally opposed to abortion. But, unlike him, I think it ought to be an election issue.

The rest of his column sounds like something a somewhat more-restrained Aunt Milty might write.

352 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:05:49pm

re: #339 b_sharp

So far, so good. Nice to see ya.

353 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:05:52pm

re: #347 Gus 802

Read this:

Glenn Reynolds said that in 2002. Essentially he is saying if we don't "pursue vigorous military strategy" genocide is unavoidable. Rather odd don't you think?

In 2002, people were saying a lot of things. We didn't know what to expect.

10 years later . . ..

354 justaminute  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:07:03pm

re: #341 Slumbering Behemoth

BJ's Kountry Kitchen?

No, we are not a chain. We are a Mom and Pop that did well and now we are a Mom and Pop semi-retired with a lot of good managers. It's wonderful now.

355 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:08:00pm

re: #354 justaminute

No, we are not a chain. We are a Mom and Pop that did well and now we are a Mom and Pop semi-retired with a lot of good managers. It's wonderful now.

Menu online?

356 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:08:02pm

re: #352 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

So far, so good. Nice to see ya.

Back atcha.

I did miss you people for some odd reason.

357 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:08:03pm

re: #349 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm fond of the chorizo omelette. And it doesn't hurt that the service is excellent.

I've got Mexican pork chorizo in the fridge .... thanks for reminding me. That will be breakfast in the AM.

358 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:08:59pm

re: #346 jaunte

Review...
[Link: fatties.wordpress.com...]

Heh. I'm not a "biscuits and gravy" kind of guy, never have been. I find it disgusting just to look at. Two biscuits and five gallons of gravy? Who eats that?

359 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:09:08pm

re: #349 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm fond of the chorizo omelette. And it doesn't hurt that the service is excellent.

Many good places to get that around where I live. Some have additional fame, such as the Dixie Kitchen and Bait Shop, which was actually reviewed on local cable by then-State Senator Barack Obama back in 2001. His rave review is still accurate. I disagree with him on many things, but I admit he has good taste in food.

360 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:09:19pm

re: #339 b_sharp

Sounds like a good vacation, except for the mall part!

361 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:09:40pm

re: #356 b_sharp

Back atcha.

I did miss you people for some odd reason.

I didn't even know you were gone....... maybe that's why it was so quite around here.

362 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:09:43pm

re: #358 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh. I'm not a "biscuits and gravy" kind of guy, never have been. I find it disgusting just to look at. Two biscuits and five gallons of gravy? Who eats that?

mmmmmm! and grits.

363 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:09:53pm

re: #351 publicityStunted

Oh yes he does:

The rest of his column sounds like something a somewhat more-restrained Aunt Milty might write.

Thank you.

364 Interesting Times  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:10:00pm

re: #351 publicityStunted

Oh yes he does:

The rest of his column sounds like something a somewhat more-restrained Aunt Milty might write.

...and if you don't recall who that is, here be a refresher. "Virile nations", fuck yeah! 9_9

365 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:10:25pm

re: #358 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh. I'm not a "biscuits and gravy" kind of guy, never have been. I find it disgusting just to look at. Two biscuits and five gallons of gravy? Who eats that?

I do...... but I add nutmeg.... that changes everything.

366 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:10:29pm

re: #358 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh. I'm not a "biscuits and gravy" kind of guy, never have been. I find it disgusting just to look at. Two biscuits and five gallons of gravy? Who eats that?

Not me. I eat two teaspoons of gravy and five gallons of biscuits.

367 Kragar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:10:58pm

Speaking of trailers...

368 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:11:01pm

re: #364 publicityStunted

...and if you don't recall who that is, here be a refresher. "Virile nations", fuck yeah! 9_9

down-ding opportunity

369 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:11:17pm

re: #364 publicityStunted

...and if you don't recall who that is, here be a refresher. "Virile nations", fuck yeah! 9_9

"Gender feminizzum destroying the whole werrrrrelledd, eeeeee....!!!"

370 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:11:30pm

Um, the Mark Steyn who wrote:

Why did Bosnia collapse into the worst slaughter in Europe since the second World War? In the thirty years before the meltdown, Bosnian Serbs had declined from 43 percent to 31 percent of the population, while Bosnian Muslims had increased from 26 percent to 44 percent. In a democratic age, you can't buck demography — except through civil war. The Serbs figured that out, as other Continentals will in the years ahead: if you cannot outbreed the enemy, cull 'em. The problem that Europe faces is that Bosnia's demographic profile is now the model for the entire continent.

The man is full of shit, and in particular his little shpiel about Muslims outbreeding Europeans and creating "Eurabia" in a few generations is horseshit topped with horseshit. The numbers don't work, the sociology projected across generations doesn't work, and the glaring assumption that Muslims magically think of themselves solely as Muslims--rather than as Frenchmen, et cetera--and would influence policy in a manner reflective of Islamist policy is dystopian science fiction rather than analysis of any stripe.

I have creeping suspicous that Mr. Steyn hasn't met a lot of Europeans Muslims, let alone young ones who form the generation he's so threatened by.

371 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:11:46pm

re: #354 justaminute

No, we are not a chain. We are a Mom and Pop that did well and now we are a Mom and Pop semi-retired with a lot of good managers. It's wonderful now.

Congratulations! Is it hard to run a Mom and Pop restaurant?

372 jaunte  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:11:56pm

re: #358 Slumbering Behemoth

I see gravy like that, it just looks like a stent in the future.

373 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:12:10pm

re: #360 Floral Giraffe

Sounds like a good vacation, except for the mall part!

I have never seen so many woman's stores in one place.

However, we did get to spend 3 hours at the wave pool.

374 justaminute  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:12:14pm

re: #355 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Menu online?

My husband thinks it is on yellow-pages.com. It's Perry's Restaurant. We hardly have to advertise. Knock on wood. We have a lot of word-of-mouth, hotel next door, and lots of loyal customers.

375 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:12:38pm

Is Mark Steyn the guy that was "investigated" or "prosecuted" for hate speech and had the youtube videos of his "hearing"?

376 Four More Tears  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:13:02pm

re: #367 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yeah, I remember seeing that before Captain America now that you bring it up. Have you seen Cap yet?

377 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:13:05pm

re: #361 Mr Pancakes

I didn't even know you were gone... maybe that's why it was so quite around here.

I will get you for that.

378 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:13:06pm

re: #357 Mr Pancakes

Oh man, I love that stuff, but I rarely buy it. If I did, I'd probably weigh an extra 20 pounds by now.

379 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:13:08pm

re: #372 jaunte

I see gravy like that, it just looks like a stent in the future.

I'd trade gravy for a stent.

380 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:13:55pm

re: #378 Slumbering Behemoth

Oh man, I love that stuff, but I rarely buy it. If I did, I'd probably weigh an extra 20 pounds by now.

If you had a Mexican wife ..... it's a staple.

381 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:14:26pm

re: #372 jaunte

I see gravy like that, it just looks like a stent in the future.

When it comes to gravy, if my mom don't make it, I don't want it. And she only makes it on Thanksgiving.

382 Gus  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:14:28pm

Serbs attack Kosovo border post as violence flares

Ethnic Serbs have attacked and set fire to a security post on Kosovo's northern border with Serbia.

They reject Kosovan independence and were protesting over attempts by police to take control of the border.

After the Kosovo police withdrew, it appeared a deal had been struck and there was a lull, but the Serbs attacked again in the early evening.

Serbia's President, Boris Tadic, has urged an immediate end to the violence, calling the protesters "hooligans".

The latest outburst prompted Nato peacekeepers to deploy at the Jarinje crossing, and at another crossing which they feared could also be targeted.

There are as yet no reports of injuries, but these are the worst clashes in several months, according to the BBC's Mark Lowen in Belgrade, Serbia.

One of the Kosovan police officers was killed and several others wounded in the initial operation, when local ethnic Serbs shot at them...

.

383 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:15:04pm

re: #370 The Ghost of a Flea

Um, the Mark Steyn who wrote:

The man is full of shit, and in particular his little shpiel about Muslims outbreeding Europeans and creating "Eurabia" in a few generations is horseshit topped with horseshit. The numbers don't work, the sociology projected across generations doesn't work, and the glaring assumption that Muslims magically think of themselves solely as Muslims--rather than as Frenchmen, et cetera--and would influence policy in a manner reflective of Islamist policy is dystopian science fiction rather than analysis of any stripe.

I have creeping suspicous that Mr. Steyn hasn't met a lot of Europeans Muslims, let alone young ones who form the generation he's so threatened by.

Some of this counter-jihad I'm-just-being-critical-of-Islam baloney sounds like the Protocols, just with the names changed. That CT is the template for so many of these phony excuses to cling to social anxieties.

384 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:15:05pm

re: #375 ggt

Is Mark Steyn the guy that was "investigated" or "prosecuted" for hate speech and had the youtube videos of his "hearing"?

Yes. Canada's Human Rights Commissions (which actually operate in a rather Orwellian fashion) went after him a while back. But he won the case and his words were found to not be hate speech.

385 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:15:27pm

re: #374 justaminute

My husband thinks it is on yellow-pages.com. It's Perry's Restaurant. We hardly have to advertise. Knock on wood. We have a lot of word-of-mouth, hotel next door, and lots of loyal customers.

What city?

386 jaunte  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:15:30pm

Well, work beckons; see you all later.

387 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:15:55pm

re: #342 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Paranoid Canadian rwnj, another favorite of ABB. Another running scared of the bogus "multiculturalism/political correctness" bogeyman.

Is that 'right wing nut job'? I've been trying to sort this out for days.

388 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:16:11pm

re: #380 Mr Pancakes

If you had a Mexican wife ... it's a staple.

If I had a Mexican wife, I'd never leave the house.

I wouldn't be able to fit through the door.

389 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:16:36pm

re: #370 The Ghost of a Flea

And to top that, Europe has created their own problem.

They never truly (with the exception of about 8 of the 30+ nations) truly integrated their Muslims in.

They never did multiculturalism. What they did was pseudo-Multiculturalism. They never bothered to help immigrants acclimate, or help alleviate the economic troubles in the community. The Muslims in those nations maybe in there, but they are not a part of the nation, if you get what I mean.

390 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:16:37pm

re: #357 Mr Pancakes

I've got Mexican pork chorizo in the fridge ... thanks for reminding me. That will be breakfast in the AM.

Now I'm hungry. It's hard to pick amongst sausage varieties, but Mexican chorizo is definitely in the top 10.

391 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:16:48pm

re: #387 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes. Rightwing nutjob. Twitter-speak, sorry.

392 Gus  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:16:55pm

Italy MEP backs ideas of Norway killer Breivik

An Italian MEP has described the ideas of Norway's self-confessed mass killer, Anders Behring Breivik, as "good" and in some cases "excellent".

Mario Borghezio, who belongs to the Northern League party, condemned Mr Breivik's violence, but backed his stance against Islam.

The Northern League is a partner in PM Silvio Berlusconi's government...

also includes...

"What happened in Oslo shows how desperate some people are becoming in Europe." -- Stephen Lennon, English Defence League

393 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:17:55pm

re: #389 ProLifeLiberal

And to top that, Europe has created their own problem.

They never truly (with the exception of about 8 of the 30+ nations) truly integrated their Muslims in.

They never did multiculturalism. What they did was pseudo-Multiculturalism. They never bothered to help immigrants acclimate, or help alleviate the economic troubles in the community. The Muslims in those nations maybe in there, but they are not a part of the nation, if you get what I mean.

Exactly.

394 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:17:58pm

re: #388 Slumbering Behemoth

If I had a Mexican wife, I'd never leave the house.

I wouldn't be able to fit through the door.

Sing it brother.......... between the hot sex and food it's a curse I tells ya.

395 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:18:02pm

re: #384 Dark_Falcon

The CHRC should have tried harder.

In light of the Terrorist Attack, try it again. He's said stuff since that wouldn't have been covered last time.

396 Kragar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:18:18pm

re: #376 JasonA

Yeah, I remember seeing that before Captain America now that you bring it up. Have you seen Cap yet?

Yeah, saw Cap, Didn't see that trailer.

397 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:18:28pm

re: #390 The Ghost of a Flea

Now I'm hungry. It's hard to pick amongst sausage varieties, but Mexican chorizo is definitely in the top 10.

I got into merguez for a while. Kind of like lamb chorizo, verrrrry good with eggs.

398 austin_blue  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:18:40pm

re: #221 sagehen

You do realize Rick Perry is going to take credit for how his prayers made it happen...

Well sure. It's two months after his call for prayer, but it worked eventually...

399 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:18:40pm

re: #388 Slumbering Behemoth

If I had a Mexican wife, I'd never leave the house.

I wouldn't be able to fit through the door.

I had a Ukrainian grandmother I lived with for two years as an adolescent. By the end of the second year, I had to exit through the picture window.

400 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:18:53pm

re: #387 SanFranciscoZionist

Really Whacked Nose Job

401 justaminute  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:19:06pm

re: #385 Mr Pancakes

What city?

I felt kind of weird when I sent the name of the restaurant knowing about all the weirdo's that watch these pages, but I can't take it back now. And I've posted about OKC many times. So, oh well.

402 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:19:15pm

re: #395 ProLifeLiberal

The CHRC should have tried harder.

In light of the Terrorist Attack, try it again. He's said stuff since that wouldn't have been covered last time.

I remember watching the videos at the time and I thought the outcome of the hearings was correct.

What he has been saying since, I can't say. At the time, it was in bounds. IMHO

403 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:19:34pm

re: #390 The Ghost of a Flea

High Five!

404 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:19:47pm

re: #358 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh. I'm not a "biscuits and gravy" kind of guy, never have been. I find it disgusting just to look at. Two biscuits and five gallons of gravy? Who eats that?

My husband. With great enjoyment.

405 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:20:19pm

re: #397 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I got into merguez for a while. Kind of like lamb chorizo, verrry good with eggs.

Mexican chorizo is very different from the European variety.

406 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:20:57pm

re: #384 Dark_Falcon

Yes. Canada's Human Rights Commissions (which actually operate in a rather Orwellian fashion) went after him a while back. But he won the case and his words were found to not be hate speech.

Canada's censorship laws suck.

407 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:21:01pm

re: #405 Mr Pancakes

Mexican chorizo is very different from the European variety.

wouldn't know. sausage scares me.

:)

408 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:21:14pm

re: #394 Mr Pancakes

Sing it brother... between the hot sex and food it's a curse I tells ya.

I'm mostly concerned with the food.

The hot sex is just... gravy.
/or "icing on the cake" if you will

409 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:21:20pm

re: #406 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Canada's censorship laws suck.

all censorship laws suck.

410 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:21:22pm

re: #401 justaminute

I felt kind of weird when I sent the name of the restaurant knowing about all the weirdo's that watch these pages, but I can't take it back now. And I've posted about OKC many times. So, oh well.

Oh no prob...... didn't mean to put you on the spot.... sorry.

411 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:21:24pm

re: #370 The Ghost of a Flea

Um, the Mark Steyn who wrote:

The man is full of shit, and in particular his little shpiel about Muslims outbreeding Europeans and creating "Eurabia" in a few generations is horseshit topped with horseshit. The numbers don't work, the sociology projected across generations doesn't work, and the glaring assumption that Muslims magically think of themselves solely as Muslims--rather than as Frenchmen, et cetera--and would influence policy in a manner reflective of Islamist policy is dystopian science fiction rather than analysis of any stripe.

I have creeping suspicous that Mr. Steyn hasn't met a lot of Europeans Muslims, let alone young ones who form the generation he's so threatened by.

Aaaand, the magical retroactive transformation of Bosnian Muslims into 'scary Muslims' continues.

412 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:21:37pm

re: #395 ProLifeLiberal

The CHRC should have tried harder.

In light of the Terrorist Attack, try it again. He's said stuff since that wouldn't have been covered last time.

Oh, they tried. But he hasn't said anything different enough you could call it worse. They'd just look like assholes. Last time they tried it, they got a big PR backlash. They can't afford that now with Stephen Harper having a majority in Parliament, as many Conservatives want the HRCs cut back drastically. The HRC are on the defensive right now.

413 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:22:12pm

re: #404 SanFranciscoZionist

My husband. With great enjoyment.

Yeah, and my grandma. I'd rather eat plain grits.

414 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:22:21pm

re: #406 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Canada's censorship laws suck.

Quite Concur.

415 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:22:36pm

re: #405 Mr Pancakes

Mexican chorizo is very different from the European variety.

Yeah, Spanish chorizo has been all the rage here the past couple years, I suppose now that Jamon Iberico is now importable. I really like it.

416 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:23:00pm

re: #393 ggt

What's utterly hilarious is the fact the nations that are more distant in relationship to France and Germany are the ones that are having less of an issue.

Poland for example, has had difficulties in the past with Germany. So they maybe more wary of ideologies flowing out of that nation. There are 7 others in similar straits. Mostly because of historical ties to the rest of Europe being far weaker.

417 justaminute  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:23:13pm

re: #410 Mr Pancakes

Oh no prob... didn't mean to put you on the spot... sorry.

That's okay. I love talking about my place.

418 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:23:28pm

My great-grandmother put gravy on salad.

Or so I am told. I did not witness this personally.

419 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:23:53pm

re: #406 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Canada's censorship laws suck.

What censorship laws? Hate speech is all that's restricted.

420 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:24:33pm

re: #392 Gus 802

Italy MEP backs ideas of Norway killer Breivik

also includes...

"What happened in Oslo shows how desperate some people are becoming in Europe." -- Stephen Lennon, English Defence League

Years ago, when Proposition 187 was being debated, one of my college friends got on the phone with her kid brother, who was planning to vote for it. They argued. He tried to win by saying "You don't know what it's like down here."

Down here was San Diego, where he was living in a college dorm.

I think of that conversation every time I hear these affluent pundits who never have to get out of their cab in an immigrant part of town, acting as though they're living in fear because of the Muslims.

421 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:24:39pm

re: #416 ProLifeLiberal

What's utterly hilarious is the fact the nations that are more distant in relationship to France and Germany are the ones that are having less of an issue.

Poland for example, has had difficulties in the past with Germany. So they maybe more wary of ideologies flowing out of that nation. There are 7 others in similar straits. Mostly because of historical ties to the rest of Europe being far weaker.

Didn't we have a similar conversation the other night?

In the US, we relish different cultures --mostly for their food and swear words.

422 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:25:12pm

re: #419 b_sharp

What censorship laws? Hate speech is all that's restricted.

Yeah but who defines hate speech? Or pornography?

423 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:25:46pm

re: #422 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yeah but who defines hate speech? Or pornography?

Usually a jury of ones peers AIUI.

424 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:26:21pm

We now have two trader Joe's in KC. Does anyone have any suggestions for their private label items?

425 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:26:24pm

re: #422 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yay! A subject we agree on!
/though we do agree on a few others...

426 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:27:33pm

re: #420 SanFranciscoZionist

Years ago, when Proposition 187 was being debated, one of my college friends got on the phone with her kid brother, who was planning to vote for it. They argued. He tried to win by saying "You don't know what it's like down here."

Down here was San Diego, where he was living in a college dorm.

I think of that conversation every time I hear these affluent pundits who never have to get out of their cab in an immigrant part of town, acting as though they're living in fear because of the Muslims.

Whhhy, they don't even enter through the side door anymore!
427 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:27:54pm

re: #421 ggt

Yeah, I'm retreading old ground. However, I did want to provide and example of what I am talking about. I thought of a few more nations not having this issue. Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

It's like a truncated version of the Swedish Empire in the old days, plus Ireland.

428 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:28:12pm

re: #424 prairiefire

We now have two trader Joe's in KC. Does anyone have any suggestions for their private label items?

What is cool about Trader Joe's is that the prices are reasonable...... I suggest the Two buck chuck....... get a case.

429 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:28:47pm

bbiab

430 Four More Tears  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:29:38pm

re: #424 prairiefire

We now have two trader Joe's in KC. Does anyone have any suggestions for their private label items?

I love their pasta sauces. Best I've has from a jar.

431 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:29:48pm

re: #428 Mr Pancakes

What is cool about Trader Joe's is that the prices are reasonable... I suggest the Two buck chuck... get a case.

I keep some Two Buck Chuck around for cooking. WholePaycheck has a competitor, now. I love TJ's.

432 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:29:57pm

re: #422 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yeah but who defines hate speech? Or pornography?

Hate speech is defined as inciting violence. Nobody but the religious right worries about porn other than child porn, and that's defined the same as in the States.

The Human Rights Commission isn't a law enforcement body, and it works both sides of the room.

433 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:30:22pm

re: #428 Mr Pancakes

What is cool about Trader Joe's is that the prices are reasonable... I suggest the Two buck chuck... get a case.

Surprisingly reasonable for a place that is big on "organic" foods.

I got a few pieces of grill cut salmon there that were awesome, and very reasonably priced.

I was also surprised at their reasonably priced specialty breads.

434 Kragar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:30:41pm

re: #428 Mr Pancakes

What is cool about Trader Joe's is that the prices are reasonable... I suggest the Two buck chuck... get a case.

I like their kettle brewed black tea.

435 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:32:10pm

re: #433 Slumbering Behemoth

Surprisingly reasonable for a place that is big on "organic" foods.

I got a few pieces of grill cut salmon there that were awesome, and very reasonably priced.

I was also surprised at their reasonably priced specialty breads.

That comment wasn't unreasonable, was it?
/

436 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:32:11pm

re: #423 ggt

Usually a jury of ones peers AIUI.


Not in Canada. The HRCs don't use juries.

437 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:33:00pm

Great ideas! I have read that they keep their private label contracts closely guarded to prevent copy cats. I think a lizard posted that they had good spice mixes.
I stay out of Whole Paycheck.

438 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:33:45pm

re: #424 prairiefire

We now have two trader Joe's in KC. Does anyone have any suggestions for their private label items?

Oh man, a lot of it is excellent. What sort of food do you like?

439 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:34:25pm

re: #437 prairiefire

Get on their snail mail list an you will get fliers on new and/or discounted items. Good stuff.

440 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:34:27pm

re: #424 prairiefire

We now have two trader Joe's in KC. Does anyone have any suggestions for their private label items?

Their meat section isn't bad. They do carry Empire brand Kosher - if I'm cooking chicken, I will usually go to TJs for that.

Their ground beef, though...had some only-ok experiences with that. Lately, I've been just going and getting a steak and chopping it myself with a pair of $7 Clement-street Chinese cleavers.

(It only sounds pretentious - it's just good home ec.)

441 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:35:05pm

re: #389 ProLifeLiberal

They never did multiculturalism. What they did was pseudo-Multiculturalism. They never bothered to help immigrants acclimate, or help alleviate the economic troubles in the community. The Muslims in those nations maybe in there, but they are not a part of the nation, if you get what I mean.

Many young Muslims feel they're a part of the nation, but then get angry when they encounter push-back along the lines of "...but you're not really." It's a rough place to be put mentally. It reminds of Robert Wright's autobiographical works, or even the narrative Malcolm X gave of his early life. I saw it happen with my Muslim schoolmates in the US during Gulf War 1 (right after I moved home from England): suddenly there was the stretch of time where they were out-group, not-American, and it left them poleaxed.

The occurence of Islamism amongst European Muslims, though, doesn't neatly stem from one place. It certainly exploits anger--or at least finds shelter amongst those angry and suspicious of civil authority--but there definitely are individuals that because of their family background and experience walk into extremism with intent and purpose. For some it's a way of striking back at culture shock; for others it's driven by a wish to go back to "good old days" where there were no practical complexities that made living a life in accord with a very fundamentalist version of Islam. Sometimes it's as sad and stupid as fundamentalists swooping in to be supportive of someone who's lost a girlfriend or a job--of exploiting that vulnerability to drop in the idea that the individual's woes come from decadent "Western" living.

442 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:36:29pm

re: #440 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

That doesn't sound pretentious to me. You can save some money doing some of the butchering yourself. Nothing pretentious about that.

443 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:36:35pm

re: #438 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh man, a lot of it is excellent. What sort of food do you like?

Prepared salads, maybe pre-cooked meat specialties. I need things so I don't have to turn the oven on right now. 103 degrees today with 115 heat index.

444 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:36:44pm

re: #441 The Ghost of a Flea

Many young Muslims feel they're a part of the nation, but then get angry when they encounter push-back along the lines of "...but you're not really." It's a rough place to be put mentally. It reminds of Robert Wright's autobiographical works, or even the narrative Malcolm X gave of his early life. I saw it happen with my Muslim schoolmates in the US during Gulf War 1 (right after I moved home from England): suddenly there was the stretch of time where they were out-group, not-American, and it left them poleaxed.

The occurence of Islamism amongst European Muslims, though, doesn't neatly stem from one place. It certainly exploits anger--or at least finds shelter amongst those angry and suspicious of civil authority--but there definitely are individuals that because of their family background and experience walk into extremism with intent and purpose. For some it's a way of striking back at culture shock; for others it's driven by a wish to go back to "good old days" where there were no practical complexities that made living a life in accord with a very fundamentalist version of Islam. Sometimes it's as sad and stupid as fundamentalists swooping in to be supportive of someone who's lost a girlfriend or a job--of exploiting that vulnerability to drop in the idea that the individual's woes come from decadent "Western" living.

Irshad Manji says that one of the 7/7 terrorists seems to have been vulnerable to the radicals because his parents wouldn't let him marry a girl from an Indian family--and the radicals told him they were wrong, and built on his hurt feelings over that.

Hell of a way to recruit a killer.

445 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:36:44pm

re: #428 Mr Pancakes

Caesar salad mix. AWESOME. Also, spinach salad, just look at the calorie count/ serving quantities, some that you'd expect to be one serving, are tow. Caesar salad, YUM!

446 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:38:16pm

re: #432 b_sharp

Hate speech is defined as inciting violence. Nobody but the religious right worries about porn other than child porn, and that's defined the same as in the States.

Yeah, US standards for incitement are much higher. (Not "better", I just mean the bar for what counts as incitement are much higher.)


The Human Rights Commission isn't a law enforcement body, and it works both sides of the room.

Does the .ca SC still accept Catherine MacKinnon's version of what "pornography" or "hate speech" is? I hope not, but I don't know.

447 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:38:25pm

re: #443 prairiefire

Prepared salads, maybe pre-cooked meat specialties. I need things so I don't have to turn the oven on right now. 103 degrees today with 115 heat index.

Fucking commie plot.
/

448 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:39:21pm

re: #447 Slumbering Behemoth

When did "We will bury you" become "We will boil you?"

And I am so sorry, but the problem is that you are having our summer. We seem to have failed to have one.

449 Kragar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:41:03pm

I'm suddenly in the mood for deviled eggs.

450 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:41:04pm

re: #433 Slumbering Behemoth

Surprisingly reasonable for a place that is big on "organic" foods.

I got a few pieces of grill cut salmon there that were awesome, and very reasonably priced.

I was also surprised at their reasonably priced specialty breads.

TJ pate and crackers (moment of science please)....... it's not your Farmer John Limburger.

451 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:43:03pm

re: #437 prairiefire

Great ideas! I have read that they keep their private label contracts closely guarded to prevent copy cats. I think a lizard posted that they had good spice mixes.
I stay out of Whole Paycheck.

Oops, that wasn't written very well. Meant to say TJ's Two Buck Chuck has a competitor at WP.

Was just at WP today - some of their own private brands can be decent, but still expensive. Their 365 brand isn't too bad, considering what you get.

452 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:43:23pm

re: #448 EmmmieG

When did "We will bury you" become "We will boil you?"

And I am so sorry, but the problem is that you are having our summer. We seem to have failed to have one.

I was being sarcastic. Riffing on this.

453 Claire  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:44:33pm

re: #424 prairiefire

TJ's Double Cream Brie- Drizzle with TJ's Maple syrup, sliced almonds and dried cranberries, heat in oven till molten. Orgasmic. Kind of a wintery thing tho'.

It's all good. TJ's single malt whiskey is good and they have great prices on Tito's vodka.

454 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:45:20pm

re: #449 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm suddenly in the mood for deviled eggs.

Try these, they're fricken awesome.

455 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:45:56pm

re: #453 Claire

I might surprise my husband with the whiskey. It will be football, sippin' whiskey time soon.

456 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:46:16pm

re: #452 Slumbering Behemoth

I was being sarcastic. Riffing on this.

Still, if you would please, could you send us our summer back?

457 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:46:17pm

re: #427 ProLifeLiberal

Yeah, I'm retreading old ground. However, I did want to provide and example of what I am talking about. I thought of a few more nations not having this issue. Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

It's like a truncated version of the Swedish Empire in the old days, plus Ireland.

It's a good conversation. Just wish I could contribute more.

I think it's interesting. Since 1776 American's have been comparing themselves to Europe. De Tocqueville dispelled a lot of myths about the US to the Europeans, who thought the country was full of ignorant peasants, and the US Aristocrats seemed to fall at the feet of European fashion and trends. Even today we hear about how much better they do things in Europe and if only we couldn't be like "them".

I think there are still a lot of myths to dispell.

459 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:46:33pm

re: #454 Slumbering Behemoth

Try these, they're fricken awesome.

Blue cheese and hot sauce...... yes!

460 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:46:41pm

You haven't LIVED unless you've tried TJ's Pita Chip Crackers.
I have a friend who lives for them.

461 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:48:01pm

re: #407 ggt

wouldn't know. sausage scares me.

:)

Sausage is kind of synonymous with uncertain contents. I mean, the technological function of sausage is pretty much "...we got this left over, how do we make is passably edible...and maybe we can dry it to last ages?"

I dig sausage nonetheless. I'm also a fiend from kebab recipes. Both are kind of neat in that you can follow the recipes around the world, increment by increment.

re: #421 ggt

In the US, we relish different cultures --mostly for their food and swear words.

My interest in multiculturalism is entirely selfish. I want decent restaraunts and a well-stocked grocery. I'm ecstatic the next town over has now reached critical mass enough to have both an Ethiopian restaraunt and a grocery. I finally get to experiment with injera and brewing tej.

462 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:49:22pm

I could go for a Sheridan's custard strawberry banana smoothie right now.
Instead, I should go to bed. Sleep tight, lizards.

463 simoom  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:50:11pm

I have a hard time totally wrapping my mind around this, but here's Redstate's David Horowitz arguing that even if they take control of all branches of government, they should still use future debt ceiling votes to blackmail minority Senate dems:

[Link: www.redstate.com...]

We believe that unless we go to the brink, and use our leverage with the budget process to force fundamental and transformational government reform, we will never limit government..

...

What about waiting for the enchanted elections of 2012, in which we win back all branches of government?

Nothing will change, unless we are willing to employ drastic tactics – the same tactics that you oppose – and stick with them. Even if we win the presidency and the Senate, an eventuality that is by no means guaranteed, we will not have 60 seats in the Senate to block the inevitable filibuster from 41 Democrats, who – unlike those on our side – never sell out. Even if we win 60 seats, we will not have 60 conservatives. Consequently, we will still be forced to use drastic tactics, such as the debt ceiling or budget reconciliation to enact our agenda and repeal Obamacare.

It honestly never occurred to me they might do it to themselves during a Republican presidency... the new normal I guess.

BTW, I chuckled at this bit: "Democrats, who – unlike those on our side – never sell out." o_O

464 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:50:34pm

re: #458 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"I mean, who does a camp for kids that's all about politics? Disturbing".

Who indeed.

465 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:51:58pm

P.S. I will check back for any more TJ's suggestions.

466 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:52:46pm

re: #461 The Ghost of a Flea

Sausage is kind of synonymous with uncertain contents. I mean, the technological function of sausage is pretty much "...we got this left over, how do we make is passably edible...and maybe we can dry it to last ages?"

I dig sausage nonetheless. I'm also a fiend from kebab recipes. Both are kind of neat in that you can follow the recipes around the world, increment by increment.

re: #421 ggt

My interest in multiculturalism is entirely selfish. I want decent restaraunts and a well-stocked grocery. I'm ecstatic the next town over has now reached critical mass enough to have both an Ethiopian restaraunt and a grocery. I finally get to experiment with injera and brewing tej.

I lived in Southern Ohio for a while in the 90's. Coming from Chicago it was a culture shock--food shock. I nearly cried when after nearly 2 years I heard someone pronounce "jalapeno" the right way. I new that meant a real Mexican Restaurant wasn't far off in the future.

One of them, there Ga-lap-en-oe peppers?
No idiot it's a Halapenyo!

467 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:55:18pm

I'll admit it.

Right here in River City . .

I'm a speciest.

I . .HATE . BUGS.

Damn gnat has been flitting around the computer screen all night --just nailed him. Literally with my fingernail.

Dead Gnat.

468 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:55:35pm

re: #446 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yeah, US standards for incitement are much higher. (Not "better", I just mean the bar for what counts as incitement are much higher.)

Does the .ca SC still accept Catherine MacKinnon's version of what "pornography" or "hate speech" is? I hope not, but I don't know.

I have no idea, but porn is really a non-issue unless minors are involved and hate speech is a work in progress being refined by court cases. There have been a number of cases, like the David_Ahenakew case, overturned by the courts. Ahenakew's original punishment was a fine of $1000. Not much of a punishment for anti-Semitic remarks.

Canada's approach towards free speech isn't as free-wheeling as the State's, but it's not the totalitarian evil the right wing makes it out to be.

469 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:56:03pm

re: #459 Mr Pancakes

Blue cheese and hot sauce... yes!

Works best with any Louisiana style hot sauce. You will love them, and curse me for your new addiction.

470 Kragar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:56:46pm

re: #464 Slumbering Behemoth

"I mean, who does a camp for kids that's all about politics? Disturbing".

Who indeed.

Serious questions need to be asked about the Young Republicans.
///

471 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:58:25pm

re: #468 b_sharp

I have no idea, but porn is really a non-issue unless minors are involved and hate speech is a work in progress being refined by court cases. There have been a number of cases, like the David_Ahenakew case, overturned by the courts. Ahenakew's original punishment was a fine of $1000. Not much of a punishment for anti-Semitic remarks.

Canada's approach towards free speech isn't as free-wheeling as the State's, but it's not the totalitarian evil the right wing makes it out to be.

children and animals and coercion

My only limits when it comes to porn or sex laws

472 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:59:28pm

It's raining, it's storming . . . .

473 Gus  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 9:59:45pm

re: #464 Slumbering Behemoth

"I mean, who does a camp for kids that's all about politics? Disturbing".

Who indeed.

You mean like THIS.

474 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:00:09pm

re: #471 ggt

I'd add "skat", but that's just me. :)

475 Kragar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:00:44pm

re: #474 Slumbering Behemoth

I'd add "skat", but that's just me. :)

Don't even go there.

476 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:00:51pm

re: #474 Slumbering Behemoth

I'd add "skat", but that's just me. :)

Shit happens.

477 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:00:56pm

re: #474 Slumbering Behemoth

I'd add "skat", but that's just me. :)

Well, I like the laws about public sex. I really don't want to see other people doing it in the street and I don't want to have to explain it to a small child.

478 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:01:11pm

re: #457 ggt

Some countries in Europe do things alot better than us in terms of social safety net and infrastructure.

However, we (and Canada) do better at tolerance and integration.

I would like it if, at some point, a US President condemned the way much of Mainland Europe acts towards Muslims in a highly televised way. Say that their failure has resulted in major issues, such as poverty and extremism.

479 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:01:23pm

re: #473 Gus 802

Geez, I thought my link did well enough, especially since it's linked to a Glenn Beck thing.

480 Kragar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:01:29pm

SEE WHAT YOU STARTED!

481 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:02:52pm

re: #458 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He can go fuck off. Norway is right to be pissed at him, where he has been called a "fascist" and a "pig" in the past two days.

I agree with the Norwegians in this.

482 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:03:36pm

re: #478 ProLifeLiberal

Some countries in Europe do things alot better than us in terms of social safety net and infrastructure.

However, we (and Canada) do better at tolerance and integration.

I would like it if, at some point, a US President condemned the way much of Mainland Europe acts towards Muslims in a highly televised way. Say that their failure has resulted in major issues, such as poverty and extremism.

I was looking at the prison pictures from Norway posted in the pages. I have a hard time imagining the inmates in many US prisons respecting the "artwork" or furnishings.

It's just a different population.

483 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:03:51pm

re: #480 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

SEE WHAT YOU STARTED!

This?

484 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:03:59pm

re: #473 Gus 802

Not to mention that Beck was fucking druggie.

Yeah, low blow, but he's done worse to others.

485 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:04:15pm

re: #475 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Excrement is NOT sexy, and has no place in beautiful, beautiful pr0n.

486 Gus  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:04:19pm

re: #479 Slumbering Behemoth

Geez, I thought my link did well enough, especially since it's linked to a Glenn Beck thing.

Thought I'd throw in another twist...

'Jesus Camp' Depicts Young Soldiers of God

No Harry Potter, but Plenty of Politics

While Potter is not OK, politics are -- conservative and Christian.

Issues like abortion are discussed, and political protests become field trips for the campers.

"I feel like we're kind of being trained to be warriors, only in a much funner way," one camper said.

Some less-extreme Christians, including radio talk-show host Mike Papantonio, fear the children at Kids on Fire are being used as political pawns by adults with an agenda.

"There is a religious, political army of foot soldiers out there that are being directed by a political right," Papantonio said.

Camp founders insist they are doing God's will: to save lives and souls.

"Jesus Camp" opened in limited release on Sept. 20.

Some Christian conservatives hope their message will get out with the gradual nationwide release of the documentary, one movie theater at a time.

487 Gus  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:05:08pm

"Jesus Camp" isn't political indoctrination.

//

488 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:06:10pm

re: #486 Gus 802

Thought I'd throw in another twist...

'Jesus Camp' Depicts Young Soldiers of God

Glod no!

489 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:06:39pm

re: #486 Gus 802

Thought I'd throw in another twist...

'Jesus Camp' Depicts Young Soldiers of God

When my husband and I taught RCIC at our parish one year (Imagine me teaching Catholic Doctrine? ha! --I focused on the 4th Commandment) Anyway. The Nun-In-Charge arranged a treat for the kids one time. She got a Christian Rock Ensemble to play instead of having classes.

The kids just sat, bored to death. Two adults in the room rockn' with the lame ensemble. The rest of us were wishing we could get stoned.

490 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:06:46pm

re: #487 Gus 802

Of course not. "Indoctrination" isn't the right word. "Brainwashing Child Abuse" is more accurate.

491 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:07:29pm

re: #468 b_sharp

I have no idea, but porn is really a non-issue unless minors are involved and hate speech is a work in progress being refined by court cases. There have been a number of cases, like the David_Ahenakew case, overturned by the courts. Ahenakew's original punishment was a fine of $1000. Not much of a punishment for anti-Semitic remarks.

Canada's approach towards free speech isn't as free-wheeling as the State's, but it's not the totalitarian evil the right wing makes it out to be.

My issue is much different from the paranoid right's. They just think they have the "right" to harass whomever they please, and no one should have anything to say about it. That's the start and finish of states rights, afaic.

But the conversations I have with Canadians who get very impatient with me, trying to pander to me how much more I'd be "protected" by Canadian speech laws (not you - you have not done that) just give me a chuckle.

I don't buy that government-dictated hate speech laws have anything to do with "protection" of anyone. So I'm always amused at that argument.

492 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:07:51pm

re: #490 Slumbering Behemoth

Of course not. "Indoctrination" isn't the right word. "Brainwashing Child Abuse" is more accurate.

see my #217

493 Gus  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:09:22pm

re: #490 Slumbering Behemoth

Of course not. "Indoctrination" isn't the right word. "Brainwashing Child Abuse" is more accurate.

That's just me being "kinder, gentler."

//

494 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:09:33pm

I think my favorite piece of information here is: Guards don't carry guns.

Try that in an American prison.

[Link: www.foreignpolicy.com...]

495 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:09:37pm

re: #492 ggt

see my #217

Aww... but it's all the way over there. :sigh:

496 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:10:31pm

re: #458 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Beck is complaining that his calling the Norway victims "Hitler Youth" is being taken out of context

What context could possibly be missed in that massive Godwin?

497 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:10:43pm

re: #494 EmmmieG

I think my favorite piece of information here is: Guards don't carry guns.

Try that in an American prison.

[Link: www.foreignpolicy.com...]

That TV would have to be covered with bulletproof plexiglass and barred to the wall.

498 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:10:57pm

re: #217 ggt

Ring any bells?

Certain brands of homeschooling.

499 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:11:21pm

re: #494 EmmmieG

I think my favorite piece of information here is: Guards don't carry guns.

Try that in an American prison.

[Link: www.foreignpolicy.com...]

and 1/2 are female. . . .

500 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:11:31pm

re: #498 Slumbering Behemoth

Certain brands of homeschooling.

Thank you for being specific that it is not all homeschooling.

501 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:12:05pm

re: #499 ggt

and 1/2 are female. . . .

And look like, um, young Scandinavian women. (I am NOT going to say anything about the Swedish bikini team.)

502 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:12:52pm

re: #497 ggt

That TV would have to be covered with bulletproof plexiglass and barred to the wall.

For the record, my sister, mother of five boys, has all of her televisions covered with plexiglass. The plexiglass is scarred.

503 laZardo  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:13:45pm

re: #494 EmmmieG

I think my favorite piece of information here is: Guards don't carry guns.

Try that in an American prison.

[Link: www.foreignpolicy.com...]

Makes you wonder. In America people will go to prison to receive health care. In Norway...

504 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:14:14pm

re: #493 Gus 802

We should start a Gravel Ministry, and threaten the nation with Forge Fire and Grind Stone for it's unholy tolerance of penguins. How much tax free money do you think we could make?

505 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:14:33pm

There is an Anglican Priest that does nothing but minister to those who are recovering from Religious Abuse. I wish I could remember his name. He is hilarious.

oooh, memory jog.

Fr. Leo Booth.

506 Gus  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:14:57pm

re: #504 Slumbering Behemoth

We should start a Gravel Ministry, and threaten the nation with Forge Fire and Grind Stone for it's unholy tolerance of penguins. How much tax free money do you think we could make?

At least 100K. Each.

507 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:15:22pm

re: #501 EmmmieG

And look like, um, young Scandinavian women. (I am NOT going to say anything about the Swedish bikini team.)

In an American Prison some of those guards would end up pregnant by an inmate, by choice. . . .

508 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:15:24pm

re: #496 Dark_Falcon

What context could possibly be missed in that massive Godwin?

I love the first comment:

"Or whatever", he said! Haha, charade you are, libs! He totally left open the possibility that, rather than being a bunch of evil, genocidal proto-Nazis, those murder victims were instead "whatever"! PROVE BECK WRONG, LIBS! NO ONE I ALLOW MYSELF TO PAY ATTENTION TO HAS DONE IT YET!

509 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:15:39pm

re: #496 Dark_Falcon

What context could possibly be missed in that massive Godwin?

Beck doesn't say anything any different than ABB's manifesto.

Same social anxieties, same vicious paranoia, same bugbears against multiculturalism, whatever that is, political correctness, nonwhites; and phony, transparent, patronizing philosemitism.

The only reason Beck and ABB go Godwin is because they hate so-called "socialism", whatever that is in their addled minds.

510 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:16:43pm

re: #494 EmmmieG

I think my favorite piece of information here is: Guards don't carry guns.

Try that in an American prison.

[Link: www.foreignpolicy.com...]

Different places. Norway doesn't have our gang culture. And I'd never favor a prison that lax. Not punitive enough in my eyes. Compared to the Norwegians, I'm rather on the vindictive side.

511 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:16:43pm

re: #508 SanFranciscoZionist

I love the first comment:

"Or whatever", he said! Haha, charade you are, libs! He totally left open the possibility that, rather than being a bunch of evil, genocidal proto-Nazis, those murder victims were instead "whatever"! PROVE BECK WRONG, LIBS! NO ONE I ALLOW MYSELF TO PAY ATTENTION TO HAS DONE IT YET!

Never heard of Charles Johnson?

512 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:18:11pm

re: #491 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

My issue is much different from the paranoid right's. They just think they have the "right" to harass whomever they please, and no one should have anything to say about it. That's the start and finish of states rights, afaic.

But the conversations I have with Canadians who get very impatient with me, trying to pander to me how much more I'd be "protected" by Canadian speech laws (not you - you have not done that) just give me a chuckle.

I don't buy that government-dictated hate speech laws have anything to do with "protection" of anyone. So I'm always amused at that argument.

I have no idea how they protect anyone either. They're a social modification tactic much like litigation and as such have a high failure rate.

513 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:18:30pm

re: #510 Dark_Falcon

Different places. Norway doesn't have our gang culture. And I'd never favor a prison that lax. Not punitive enough in my eyes. Compared to the Norwegians, I'm rather on the vindictive side.

I'm split on that. If a person simply needs to learn to read and be educated--I'm all for it. Or needs deep psych help --again, give it a try. There are people I deal with every day that can't speak a coherent sentence --without family where are they going to end-up?

In a perfect world . . .

514 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:19:07pm

re: #507 ggt

In an American Prison some of those guards would end up pregnant by an inmate, by choice. . . .

That one I don't understand, at all.

515 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:19:37pm

re: #501 EmmmieG

And look like, um, young Scandinavian women. (I am NOT going to say anything about the Swedish bikini team.)

Now that you mention it...

516 laZardo  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:19:58pm
517 Kragar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:20:22pm

Rehydrating bottles of acrylic based paints.

Do I know how to live or what?

518 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:20:26pm

re: #512 b_sharp

I have no idea how they protect anyone either. They're a social modification tactic much like litigation and as such have a high failure rate.

One of many reasons why they suck, afaic.

519 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:20:36pm

re: #512 b_sharp

I have no idea how they protect anyone either. They're a social modification tactic much like litigation and as such have a high failure rate.

There are those that need to develop a thicker skin as well. So many sensitive people seem to think the rest of world should be wrapped in bubble wrap to protect them.

Sometimes I just want to throttle people and say "I'm sorry if your feelings were hurt, but you are 40 years old. get over it."

In an earlier, more primitive time (the mythical perfect past) these people wouldn't have survived.

520 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:21:40pm

re: #515 Slumbering Behemoth

SMACK!

You're lucky I wasn't eating, SB, or you'd be looking at a bill for a new keyboard and carpet cleaning.

521 Kragar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:22:53pm

re: #515 Slumbering Behemoth

Now that you mention it...

SHE ATE THE WHOLE TEAM?!

522 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:22:54pm

Goodnight folks. Be back tomorrow.

523 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:23:40pm

re: #519 ggt

There are those that need to develop a thicker skin as well. So many sensitive people seem to think the rest of world should be wrapped in bubble wrap to protect them.

Sometimes I just want to throttle people and say "I'm sorry if your feelings were hurt, but you are 40 years old. get over it."

In an earlier, more primitive time (the mythical perfect past) these people wouldn't have survived.

Right now, that bunch of people is social conservatives who cannot stand for their failed lifestyle to be critiqued, for anyone from it to say anything about it, for people with a different pov from theirs to have equal standing with them, because that's relatively new.

They really need to leave their fantasy world of the past go, and learn to compete in the modern world. It's to their disadvantage if they don't, but I'm also not going to beg them to believe me about it, either.

524 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:23:49pm

re: #519 ggt

There are those that need to develop a thicker skin as well. So many sensitive people seem to think the rest of world should be wrapped in bubble wrap to protect them.

Sometimes I just want to throttle people and say "I'm sorry if your feelings were hurt, but you are 40 years old. get over it."

In an earlier, more primitive time (the mythical perfect past) these people wouldn't have survived.

I have one friend who wouldn't let her kid watch the last of the Harry Potter movies because they were too violent.

525 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:24:01pm

re: #505 ggt

Excellent title that, "When God Becomes a Drug".

Oh, I could tell you about some of my relative's addictions.

526 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:24:37pm

re: #525 Slumbering Behemoth

Excellent title that, "When God Becomes a Drug".

Oh, I could tell you about some of my relative's addictions.

Yeah, from what I remember the author is a good guy. Uses a lot of humor.

527 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:25:58pm

re: #515 Slumbering Behemoth

Can we have another bondage thread?
I'd like to be beaten!
And see the heads explode, over at the deuce.
After your head explodes, of course...

528 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:26:02pm

re: #523 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Right now, that bunch of people is social conservatives who cannot stand for their failed lifestyle to be critiqued, for anyone from it to say anything about it, for people with a different pov from theirs to have equal standing with them, because that's relatively new.

They really need to leave their fantasy world of the past go, and learn to compete in the modern world. It's to their disadvantage if they don't, but I'm also not going to beg them to believe me about it, either.

Quite a few of the Whacky Left as well. War is bad, guns are bad, boxing is bad --people could get hurt!

529 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:26:43pm

re: #523 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Right now, that bunch of people is social conservatives who cannot stand for their failed lifestyle to be critiqued, for anyone from it to say anything about it, for people with a different pov from theirs to have equal standing with them, because that's relatively new.

They really need to leave their fantasy world of the past go, and learn to compete in the modern world. It's to their disadvantage if they don't, but I'm also not going to beg them to believe me about it, either.

True, but do remember that there are still a good many on the left woh are similarly thin-skinned.

530 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:31:38pm

re: #525 Slumbering Behemoth

Excellent title that, "When God Becomes a Drug".

Oh, I could tell you about some of my relative's addictions.

I guess it has been reprinted as this. Some of the comments are good.

"One other concern that I have as I continue to study this subject is the subtlety of its intrusion into politics. When it comes to addiction, there IS no separation of church and state. In fact, this separation, if it exists at all, *only* exists for the state -- not for any church, unless it benefits *them*. They don't pay taxes, but they still find it perfectly acceptable to advocate for legislation from the pulpit and to lobby our representatives and to pass out post cards for the congregation to fill out in the middle of a service. It's a despicable practice, and one that becomes even more troublesome within the context of spiritual addiction."

531 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:32:16pm

re: #527 Floral Giraffe

Ooh, double entendre. And the dirty kind. Nice.

532 Kragar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:33:48pm

re: #531 Slumbering Behemoth

Ooh, double entendre. And the dirty kind. Nice.

Innuendo just sounds so dirty.

533 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:34:48pm

re: #530 ggt

"They don't pay taxes, but they still find it perfectly acceptable to advocate for legislation from the pulpit and to lobby our representatives and to pass out post cards for the congregation to fill out in the middle of a service. It's a despicable practice, and one that becomes even more troublesome within the context of spiritual addiction."

Word. I think I like this guy.

534 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:35:29pm

re: #532 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Innuendo just sounds so dirty.

And Double Innuendo is just wrong.

535 lostlakehiker  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:35:48pm

re: #47 Lidane

But it's NOT a change in mentality when it comes to their feelings about liberals. It's NOT a change in mentality from their opinions on Muslims or other minorities. These people have been operating in a siege mentality long before Limbaugh spent all eight of Clinton's years in office whining about America Held Hostage. The default position of the far right is to dehumanize and demonize their "enemies".

The only difference between the shit being said back then and the shit being said now is that these cretins are agreeing with a blue-eyed blond white Norwegian asshole that bombed a building to distract the cops while he mowed down scores of kids. That's all.

The sentiments behind that agreement are not new to anyone on the left side of the aisle. We've seen talk like this for decades, and seen it pushed aside as "fringe" or "satire" or just as people blowing off steam. Guess what? They weren't blowing off steam. They were serious. And now they're just doubling down on their hate.


And they're gonna get smeared. You can push, and push, and as long as it's all talk, people will go "whatever". But when you cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war, it's a different game. As a southern Cassandra said about bombarding Fort Sumter, legions will swarm against you.

536 Kragar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:36:29pm

re: #534 Slumbering Behemoth

And Double Innuendo is just wrong.

I've met a few ladies who seemed to enjoy it.

537 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:36:34pm

re: #533 Slumbering Behemoth

"They don't pay taxes, but they still find it perfectly acceptable to advocate for legislation from the pulpit and to lobby our representatives and to pass out post cards for the congregation to fill out in the middle of a service. It's a despicable practice, and one that becomes even more troublesome within the context of spiritual addiction."

Word. I think I like this guy.

That was from a post in the comments.

538 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:37:14pm

re: #536 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I've met a few ladies who seemed to enjoy it.

TMI!!!!!

539 laZardo  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:37:31pm

re: #536 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I've met a few ladies who seemed to enjoy it.

Giggity.

540 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:40:42pm

re: #537 ggt

That was from a post in the comments.

Ah, you did say that, didn't you? :)

541 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:41:20pm

re: #540 Slumbering Behemoth

Ah, you did say that, didn't you? :)

I wouldn't have said it so well . . .

542 Kragar  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:44:33pm

re: #538 ggt

TMI!!!

My autobiography could be considered a moral WMD.

543 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:50:06pm

re: #444 SanFranciscoZionist

Irshad Manji says that one of the 7/7 terrorists seems to have been vulnerable to the radicals because his parents wouldn't let him marry a girl from an Indian family--and the radicals told him they were wrong, and built on his hurt feelings over that.

Hell of a way to recruit a killer.

Terrorists groups bluff a lot about their membership's unwavering ideological purity, but really they're recruiting using the same predatory methods of cults and scams. They inflate the lowly, fan the anger of the unhappy, give company to the lonely...with all the positive reinforcement contigent on more and more intellectual compliance, and eventually pressure to directly act. In the case of suicide bombers, they're not above paying desperate men on the guarantee of a rich reward for their widow, or just plain lying about what they're asking of them.

Even in emic terms, these guys are hucksters pretending to have religious sanction: they kill imams and qutbs that denounce them because their paper shield is a bluff. All of their crap about suicide and martyrdom...it's creative reading and glaring omissions by "scholars" purpose-set to justify any means, no matter how horrific. They guilt people into killing--and dying--for the umma, but really they're just exploiting the vulnearable and stupid to achieve their revanchist ends.

544 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 10:59:54pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Well, I do think it's a new step. First they were against radical Islamic terrorism. When we found out there were various Nazis and Eurofascists involved they denied it at first. Eventually they openly embraced Nazi groups and ethnic nationalism. Then they started demonizing their political enemies. Now they're openly supporting terrorism and killing the children of their political opponents.
That's one hell of a change in mentality from the original purpose of opposing Islamic terrorism. I really think this is just about as far off the rails as they can go. I really can't imagine anything beyond this. It's the end of the road.

"It" can go a lot further, and has gone a lot further in the past. This isn't off the rails, yet.

I'm not sure why so many people so consistently underestimate the potential for depravity of nationalist/racialist fervor, given the history of Europe and the United States over the past couple of centuries.

"It" can get a lot worse than individual mass murderers and creepy sympathetic bloggers. I'm reminded of the many times I have heard people say "it can't happen here". Yes, it can happen. It really, really can.

545 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 11:16:53pm

re: #544 Fozzie Bear

"It" can get a lot worse than individual mass murderers and creepy sympathetic bloggers. I'm reminded of the many times I have heard people say "it can't happen here". Yes, it can happen. It really, really can.

I've been saying this from the outset. Those of us it's actually happened to know this more than anyone -- it's not just some abstract concept to ponder while on the internet, for those of us who are the physical targets of these aholes.

And yet, we're lectured to go try and put honey on flies /rotfl /eyeroll

It's not just us, it's our family members, parents, grandparents, especially people with WW2, Korean War and Vietnam in our histories.

I used to be a true believer in the Wiesenthal Center's "Never again" but stopped using that phrase after watching what happened in just the D party alone, when Obama got nominated. Nothing in my personal history backs up "never again", let alone scores of others who have been through way more than I have.

546 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jul 27, 2011 11:17:47pm

Gah, I nearly forgot...

Big shout out to Oslogin for all you have done to keep us informed on this subject. It is valued and much appreciated by many here.

547 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:26:24am

re: #529 Dark_Falcon

True, but do remember that there are still a good many on the left woh are similarly thin-skinned.

MBF. Name one who is screaming into news shows, radio outlets, places of worship, and halls of congress to force you into second class citizenship. Even on a once-a decade basis.

Just one. I can name you 20 rwnj off the top of my head doing so daily, angry because they are losing, and we will not permit you to rule us.

Name ONE who straps on guns to pride parades, abortion clinic defenses, or runs to rightwing camps for children and kills them.

Just one or quit whining. Rwnj are not oppressed by anyone, let alone anyone on "the left". Rwnj are perps, not victims.

548 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:37:25am

re: #110 reine.de.tout

Yeah, but I don't see a thing in there that translates to Steve actually WANTING and HOPING it will happen, which is what you seem to have said here (fully acknowledging I may have misread):
re: #33 000G

If he did not want to be making a true statement and thus being right about it when it would happen, he is pretty good at concealing that.

549 Øyvind Strømmen  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:59:21am

re: #5 000G

For some reason, oslogin's blog entry got garbled at "I’ve therefore col". I have the original post saved, though.

Hm. It looks fine on my computer, and I've checked the HTML code, can't find any problems. Do you still have problems with seeing it?

550 Øyvind Strømmen  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:10:19am

re: #549 oslogin

Hm. It looks fine on my computer, and I've checked the HTML code, can't find any problems. Do you still have problems with seeing it?

I saw the problem now, don't know why it happened, but it's now fixed.

551 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 7:49:02am

re: #199 darthstar

What the fuck kind of "ministry" is that asshole running?

If she read the disclaimer and quoted accurately, what kind of asshole lawyer is the ministry employing?

552 Øyvind Strømmen  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:13:06pm

re: #59 Spocomptonite

I would just like to say thanks to Oslogin for being LGF's Norway Correspondent during this past week, and offer condolences for the tragedy. Keeping us updated, translating for us, contributing to the discussion, etc (I know I must be leaving something out) are hard work enough, but to do it in the midst of what us in the states felt during and just after 9-11 is just incredible.

Thanks, mate.


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