Boehner: If Credit Agencies Downgrade US, It’s ‘Beyond My Control’

The Republican war on America’s credit rating
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Bright orange House Speaker John Boehner is pushing it down to the wire, trying to get the votes needed to pass one of these absurd bills the Republicans have cobbled together out of unicorn farts and magical thinking, and today he said that if credit agencies decide to downgrade the United States because of GOP obstructionism, well, that’s just beyond his control.

At his weekly Capitol briefing, a reporter asked him if he believed his legislation, if enacted would allow the U.S. to maintain its AAA credit rating. Boehner wouldn’t bite. “That is beyond my control,” he said. “All I know is that this bipartisan bill is as large a step as we’re able to take at this point in time that is doable, and signable and to become law.”

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472 comments
1 Lidane  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:04:56pm

I can't handle this fail today. These people are going to destroy the country.

Assholes.

2 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:05:07pm

I just stabbed my wife, whether she bleeds to death is beyond my control

3 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:05:38pm

re: #1 Lidane

I can't handle this fail today. These people are going to destroy the country.

Assholes.

no they aren't

4 Spocomptonite  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:06:59pm

Boehner: I will wash my hand of it when the consequences of my actions come around.

5 Spocomptonite  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:07:29pm

re: #3 albusteve

no they aren't

I'm sorry, steve, but do you understand bonds and the economy?

6 Randall Gross  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:07:34pm

Beyond his control my ass. Everything to do with budget is pretty much House of Representatives responsibility. If he and the tea baggers can't get the budget done it just shows what a bunch of cowardly braggarts got elected. Willing to talk tough, but not to make the cuts or raise the taxes themselves. It's abdication of their constitutional duties on a grand scale.

Enough with the "but we can't control ourselves or our budget, even though it's our job to do so" bullshit.

7 Randall Gross  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:09:12pm

If he were doing his friggen job he'd put together something that both D's and R's could vote for and move the hell on.

8 Bulworth  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:10:07pm

Faux news has already gotten the memo: A credit downgrade? No problem. But Obama will be impeached anyway.

9 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:12:24pm

OMG! Massive Tea Party descends on Washington....
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JULY 27: Tea Party activists gather on Capitol Hill for a 'Hold the Line' rally on June 27, 2011 in Washington, DC

The pic is taken behind the stage. Yes, that's the whole crowd.

10 Lidane  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:13:04pm

re: #8 Bulworth

Faux news has already gotten the memo: A credit downgrade? No problem. But Obama will be impeached anyway.

Because impeaching a president during an election year is a good idea.

Also, if the GOP had pulled their heads out of their collective ass months ago, we wouldn't be in this situation now.

11 Bulworth  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:13:44pm
All I know is that this bipartisan bill

Well, I guess the Dan Boren-Heath Schuler Caucus is on board with this, as they are most GOP bills.

12 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:14:08pm

Rand Paul counts the crowd.....
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13 Spocomptonite  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:15:15pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

LOL

14 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:15:54pm

Anti-pea extremists!
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15 Bulworth  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:16:32pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

Rand Paul counts the crowd...
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I'll admit this is a little disappointing. I'm hoping to see teabagger universe explode.

16 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:16:46pm

Market started out up this morning, now negative again and I suspect because the tan guy opened his mouth.

17 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:17:28pm

Hiding from reality.....

[Link: www.daylife.com...]

18 palomino  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:18:40pm

re: #3 albusteve

no they aren't

No, they aren't assholes? Or no, they won't destroy the country? (Maybe just the economy.)

19 Bulworth  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:18:43pm

re: #17 Killgore Trout

Hiding from reality...

[Link: www.daylife.com...]

"as dozens of teabag supporters rally"

Dozens! Dozens!

20 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:20:15pm

re: #17 Killgore Trout

Hiding from reality...

[Link: www.daylife.com...]

Wasn't Captain America created by a government program? ;)

21 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:20:28pm

re: #19 Bulworth

"as dozens of teabag supporters rally"

Dozens! Dozens!

Even that's a stretch. Looks like maybe 20.

22 makeitstop  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:20:30pm

re: #19 Bulworth

"as dozens of teabag supporters rally"

Dozens! Dozens!

Daylife lies!

Everyone knows that every single Tea Party rally ever has had hundreds, if not thousands and thousands, of patriots showing their love for their country!
///

23 Bulworth  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:21:27pm

re: #21 Killgore Trout

Even that's a stretch. Looks like maybe 20.

Yes, but if you add up all the Rand Paul pictures you might get a dozen.

24 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:21:28pm

re: #17 Killgore Trout

Hiding from reality...

[Link: www.daylife.com...]

Get this flag offa me!

25 darthstar  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:21:34pm

re: #19 Bulworth

"as dozens of teabag supporters rally"

Dozens! Dozens!

That's worth 15 minutes of every news hour. Get up to scores and you can have exclusive rights to the evening news.

26 darthstar  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:22:08pm

re: #24 Charles

Get this flag offa me!

The freedom, it burns! (oh, and you have a 0 at the end of shadowbox - fixed)

27 darthstar  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:22:30pm

re: #26 darthstar

The freedom, it burns! (oh, and you have a 0 at the end of shadowbox - fixed)

I guess shadowbox and shadowbox0 are both acceptable.

28 Lidane  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:22:46pm

re: #20 prononymous

Wasn't Captain America created by a government program? ;)

Stop bringing facts into the discussion. Teabaggers are allergic to them, don'tcha know.

///

29 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:23:09pm

OK kids. I'm off to buy lots of booze for the week so don't blame me if I don't have enough money for your allowance since this is beyond my control.

//

30 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:23:21pm

no, government programs are fine if they are military-based

31 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:23:25pm

re: #24 Charles

Get this flag offa me!

I have had that happen to me at demonstrations, with both U.S. and Israeli flags. It is most annoying, as your vision is suddenly cut off by folds and folds of flapping nylon.

Plus, you look really undignified as you flail to get out of it.

32 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:24:37pm

re: #31 SanFranciscoZionist

I have had that happen to me at demonstrations, with both U.S. and Israeli flags. It is most annoying, as your vision is suddenly cut off by folds and folds of flapping nylon.

Plus, you look really undignified as you flail to get out of it.

I hope at least you weren't wearing a Captain America outfit for extra irony.

33 allegro  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:26:05pm

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Anti-pea extremists!
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What does that even mean?

34 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:26:24pm

re: #30 ralphieboy

no, government programs are fine if they are military-based

And Homeland Insecurity.

I hereby propose funding for the Planned Parenthood Militia. From now on we provide each Planned Parenthood Militia with an assault helicopter, 1 SWAT Team, and 47 assault weapons and one sniper team. Whatever is left we'll use to fund OBGYN services.

//

35 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:27:21pm

re: #33 allegro

What does that even mean?

Michelle Obama's dietary programs.

"Eat your peas!" I.e. vegetables.

36 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:27:31pm

re: #32 wrenchwench

I hope at least you weren't wearing a Captain America outfit for extra irony.

I have never been at a demo wearing a Captain America outfit. I have stood next to a woman wearing a hot pink burqa, but...no, I really can't explain that one, except to say that we HAD a hot pink burqa, and people wanted to make use of it. It sort of vaguely connected to the subject of the demo.

37 Bulworth  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:28:19pm

re: #33 allegro

What does that even mean?

Anti-Michelle Obama's anti-obesity campaign? I don't know. But conservatives are supposed to like old fashioned values and eating one's vegetables used to be a family value or something so i don't know why teabags would hate it other than Michelle Obama wants people to eat veggies--oh yeah that's reason enough for teabags to hate peas.

38 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:29:07pm

re: #36 SanFranciscoZionist

I have never been at a demo wearing a Captain America outfit. I have stood next to a woman wearing a hot pink burqa, but...no, I really can't explain that one, except to say that we HAD a hot pink burqa, and people wanted to make use of it. It sort of vaguely connected to the subject of the demo.

Were you counter-protesting "Code Pink"? I'll bet they coveted that hot pink burqa.

39 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:29:25pm

re: #37 Bulworth

Anti-Michelle Obama's anti-obesity campaign? I don't know. But conservatives are supposed to like old fashioned values and eating one's vegetables used to be a family value or something so i don't know why teabags would hate it other than Michelle Obama wants people to eat veggies--oh yeah that's reason enough for teabags to hate peas.

...

The Pea Tyranny is amongst us!!11ty

40 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:29:58pm

re: #33 allegro

What does that even mean?

Obama said in a speech that we need to do the hard stuff, like tear off the bandaid and eat our peas. Wingnuts don't like being ordered around like that.

41 aagcobb  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:31:29pm

re: #22 makeitstop

Daylife lies!

Everyone knows that every single Tea Party rally ever has had hundreds, if not thousands and thousands, of patriots showing their love for their country!
///

Looks like at least elebenty million to me!

42 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:31:43pm

re: #40 wrenchwench

Obama said in a speech that we need to do the hard stuff, like tear off the bandaid and eat our peas. Wingnuts don't like being ordered around like that.

Ah. OK. Now I remember that.

43 Bulworth  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:31:47pm

re: #40 wrenchwench

Obama said in a speech that we need to do the hard stuff, like tear off the bandaid and eat our peas. Wingnuts don't like being ordered around like that.

So, the teabags don't want to do the hard stuff. They just want other people to do the hard stuff.

44 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:33:26pm

re: #24 Charles

Get this flag offa me!

Blinded by patriotism!

45 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:33:36pm

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Anti-pea extremists!
Image: x610.jpg

She looks like she's probably on disability. A lot of these folks are on disability, Medicaid, Medicare, or Social Security. Or a state program.

46 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:33:44pm

re: #43 Bulworth

So, the teabags don't want to do the hard stuff. They just want other people to do the hard stuff.

Teabaggers want to tear off someone else's bandaid, not their own.

47 laZardo  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:34:00pm

re: #36 SanFranciscoZionist

I have never been at a demo wearing a Captain America outfit.

Shame.

48 allegro  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:35:40pm

re: #35 Gus 802

Michelle Obama's dietary programs.

"Eat your peas!" I.e. vegetables.

Ooohhh. Thanks.

49 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:35:56pm

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"Appeal to Heave!"

50 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:36:02pm

“That is beyond my control”

--Rep Boehner, describing his bladder.

51 Bulworth  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:36:11pm

re: #45 Gus 802

She looks like she's probably on disability. A lot of these folks are on disability, Medicaid, Medicare, or Social Security. Or a state program.

Blood libel!

//

52 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:36:16pm

re: #48 allegro

Ooohhh. Thanks.

Nah. I think it's #40 for sure.

53 darthstar  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:36:52pm

Oh yeah...suck it, Breitbart...

Federal Judge Richard Leon has tossed out two motions to dismiss former USDA official Shirley Sherrod's defamation suit against Andrew Breitbart, Zoe Tillman reports for Legal Times.
54 aagcobb  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:37:06pm

re: #45 Gus 802

She looks like she's probably on disability. A lot of these folks are on disability, Medicaid, Medicare, or Social Security. Or a state program.

Won't she be surprised if her check doesn't come after August 2.

55 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:37:13pm

re: #24 Charles

Get this flag offa me!



I'll be Comrade Red.

56 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:37:38pm

///Because nothing says party of fiscal responsibility like making America go broke!

57 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:39:11pm

re: #24 Charles

Get this flag offa me!

When flags attack.

58 Bulworth  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:39:12pm

re: #48 allegro

Ooohhh. Thanks.

The sign actually says "eat your own damn peas". Such pottymouths. That's not good family old fashioned traditional values.

59 allegro  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:40:20pm

re: #40 wrenchwench

Obama said in a speech that we need to do the hard stuff, like tear off the bandaid and eat our peas. Wingnuts don't like being ordered around like that.

The clever nuance escaped me./

60 Bulworth  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:41:28pm

I love this

[Link: www.daylife.com...]

"

balance the budget

"

Except don't raise taxes or cut defense or cut Social Security or Medicare or the money my congressman got for my district.

61 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:41:31pm

DERP!

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62 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:41:57pm

re: #18 palomino

No, they aren't assholes? Or no, they won't destroy the country? (Maybe just the economy.)

I don't believe it will come to that...my gut feeling is that a deal will be made soon

63 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:43:06pm

re: #61 Gus 802

DERP!

Image: 999x.jpg

Rich fantasy life.

64 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:43:08pm

If the President has the constitutional authority to override these jerks, he should just do it already!

65 Bulworth  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:43:08pm

I didn't really have to see this

[Link: www.daylife.com...]

66 S'latch  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:44:41pm

re: #64 Alouette

If he had that kind of authority, he wouldn't need to ask to raise the debt ceiling. He would just disregard it and keep on borrowing.

67 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:45:03pm

PRIVERTIZE EVERYTHANG!! LIBS! LIBRALS! BLAHSFDJHASEH*spittle*

Hey, have we got a deal for you on a Texas prison

A private prison is on the auction block in Littlefield, but you'll have to supply your own prisoners. The city of Littlefield owes about $10 million on a privately operated prison financed with public money. But the city will take $5 million if someone will take the prison off its hands at auction. The debt is crushing the city and killed its credit rating. A prison video touting the auction calls the prison a "turnkey" facility. The private operator had a contract to house prisoners from Idaho at the Bill Clayton Detention Center, but the company, GEO Group, pulled out following a lawsuit over a prisoner's suicide and a damning report by Idaho inspectors. Take a look at the NPR report on the prison. Another blog compiled info about GEO Group's donations to Texas politicians.

68 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:46:24pm

Where were these guys when they raised the debt ceiling under Bush?

69 Kragar  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:46:26pm

House Republicans: “If You Don’t Lower Taxes We’ll Shoot This Dog”

Leaders of both parties were meeting to end the impasse and had just opened the meeting when Speaker of the House John Boehner (R-OH) gave a whistle. A door opened, and a Labrador retriever-English setter mix walked into the room.

“This is a dog,” Boehner said, lifting the dog up and setting him on a table. “And this is a Magnum.” Here he pulled out a revolver concealed inside his suit coat, and a number of startled Democrats recoiled and took cover.

“And these are negotiations,” Boehner continued, pointing the firearm at the dog, which whimpered and relieved itself on the table. “I don’t think I need to say much else. It’s in your hands.”

Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-MD) noted that the gun was actually in Boehner’s hand.

“It’s in your hands,” he repeated as he re-holstered the gun and walked toward the door. “Come on, Barkmann.” The dog hopped off the table and followed obligingly while Boehner told her she was a good girl. An intern scurried over to the table with a plastic bag and paper towels to clean up the mess left behind.

70 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:47:08pm

re: #62 albusteve

I don't believe it will come to that...my gut feeling is that a deal will be made soon

...maybe if we copy your diet??

71 Bulworth  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:47:19pm

re: #68 Gus 802

Where were these guys when they raised the debt ceiling under Bush?

In their basements eating cheetos and calling all libruls who opposed the war(s) traitors and fifth columnists, etc.

72 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:47:23pm

re: #61 Gus 802

DERP!

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Captain America, whatever in the world happened to you?! /

73 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:48:09pm

re: #72 Sergey Romanov

Captain America, whatever in the world happened to you?! /

That face mask is just creepy.

74 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:48:11pm

re: #68 Gus 802

Where were these guys when they raised the debt ceiling under Bush?

shining shoes back home...now they are US Reps with revenge as their motive to govern

75 allegro  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:48:37pm

re: #61 Gus 802

DERP!

Image: 999x.jpg

The newest member of the Village People?

76 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:49:15pm

re: #71 Bulworth

In their basements eating cheetos and calling all libruls who opposed the war(s) traitors and fifth columnists, etc.

Yep. Or chasing "yellow cake", outing CIA agents, paling up with Pakistan, and looking for non-existent WMDs.

77 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:50:00pm

re: #61 Gus 802

DERP!

Image: 999x.jpg

NO NEED TO HERE, CAPTAIN FEAR IS DERP!
Wait...
Dammit!

78 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:50:05pm

re: #67 negativ

That unused prison would make a wonderful last-ditch bastion for a sovereign citizen/militia brigade or two. They could lock themselves in there and hunker down safely until we lefty tranzi prog usurpers dig them out.

79 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:50:21pm

re: #73 Alouette

That face mask is just creepy.

Sure, looks like an executioner's mask.

80 Funky_Gibbon  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:51:35pm

I don't even live in the US but we're still going to feel the effects of these morons playing politics over something so critical.

81 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:52:01pm

Fail Blog Entry Contest

82 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:52:20pm

It is reaching the point where the debt ceiling (which is not directly related to the next budget) and the budget deficit issues are affecting the market and economics in general simply because the process shows an incompetent congress.

Any last minute deal will not make that go away, and any short term deal before elections will make it worse.

83 S'latch  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:54:10pm

re: #68 Gus 802

Where were these guys when they raised the debt ceiling under Bush?

The debt ceiling was raised 18 times while Ronald Reagan was in office and 7 times while George W. Bush was in office.

George W. Bush was in office about 96 months. On average, that is a raise of the debt ceiling once every 13.7 months under Bush.

Maybe the Republicans should raise it with no conditions for 13.7 months for Obama.

85 Lidane  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:55:59pm

re: #61 Gus 802

DERP!

Image: 999x.jpg

Cap's really let himself go. Must be hell for him now that the Cold War is over.

86 makeitstop  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:56:36pm

22 down, 2 to go...

NO (22)

Rep. Todd Akin, R-Mo.
Rep. Justin Amash, R-Mich.
Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn.
Rep. Paul Broun, R-Ga.
Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah
Rep. Jeff Duncan, R-S.C.
Rep. Chuck Fleischmann, R-Tenn.
Rep. Trent Franks, R-Ariz.
Rep. Phil Gingrey , R-Ga.
Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas
Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C.
Rep. Tom Graves, R-Ga.
Rep. Tim Huelskamp, R-Kan.
Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio
Rep. Jeff Landry, R-La.
Rep. Connie Mack, R-Fla.
Rep. Mick Mulvaney, R-S.C.
Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas
Rep. Dennis Ross, R-Fla.
Rep. Steve Southerland, R-Fla.
Rep. Joe Walsh, R-Ill.
Rep. Joe Wilson, R-S.C.

Looks like the nation's credit rating isn't the only thing out of Boehner's control.

87 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:57:37pm

President Bush Holds Press Conference
Press Conference by the President
The James S. Brady Briefing Room
March 13, 2002

Q Mr. President, can I ask about the debt limit, sir? And, specifically, about the Treasury Secretary's plan to borrow cash from the federal retirement funds. Can you justify that to the American people, sir?

THE PRESIDENT: I'm not going to comment on the Secretary of Treasury's plan. I'll tell you what I think ought to happen. I think Congress ought to pass a clean bill that raises the debt ceiling, and I'll sign it. I think it's important. I hope we can get that kind of spirit out of Congress. If they do that, it will solve the problem. We don't need to be playing politics with the debt ceiling, particularly now that we're at war.

And we're working with the Congress on that. I've had pretty good discussions with the leadership about the need to get a clean bill coming. And I hope they do. I hope they listen, I hope they respond.

See. That's all it took back then. Can't you see folks? We're at war. Last time I checked we're still at war.

That was President Bush BTW.

88 Four More Tears  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:58:59pm

Just read on my twitter feed that ABB bought his ammo online from the US.

89 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:00:14pm

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
December 3, 2001

Q On the economy, Senator Conrad, on Friday, said that the Treasury Department has informed him of its plans to raise the debt ceiling, request an increase in the public debt ceiling. In light of that and your OMB Director's announcement a few days ago of deficit projections through 2005, is the White House at all revisiting the idea of a smaller-scaled economic stimulus package?

MR. FLEISCHER: No, because the President believes that the best way to create growth and, therefore, surpluses is through a stimulus that helps people get back to work and it helps businesses employ their workers. So that makes no change at all in the President's position.

90 Kragar  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:00:25pm

re: #88 JasonA

Just read on my twitter feed that ABB bought his ammo online from the US.

I can see no possible repercussions from that revelation.

91 Four More Tears  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:00:43pm

re: #88 JasonA

Norway Shooter's Ammo From U.S.

Anders Behring Breivik, the Norway shooter being charged for killing 68 people at a political youth camp near Oslo, wrote in his 1,500-page manifesto detailing his massacre plans that he purchased his ammo from an unnamed U.S. supplier for $550. The supplier amassed 10 30-round ammo clips from other disparate suppliers, which Breivik used for his .223-caliber rifle. He wrote that he could have bought the large rounds in Sweden, but that it was much cheaper to buy them in the U.S. He did, however, buy some clips legally for a Glock handgun in Norway, so that he could use them to practice at local firing ranges. His manifesto shows he carefully plotted out the massacre, writing that he was preparing to bring as much ammo as a soldier would need in battle.

92 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:00:57pm

re: #33 allegro

What does that even mean?

reference to obama's comments that boehner would not "eat his peas"

93 Bulworth  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:02:15pm

re: #86 makeitstop

22 down, 2 to go...


Looks like the nation's credit rating isn't the only thing out of Boehner's control.

Boner will likely get a couple of Democratic votes, such as Dan Boren from OK and Heath Schuler from NC. Maybe a couple of others from the Blue Doggy caucus.

94 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:02:17pm

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
April 11, 2002

Q Does the President still want the House and the Senate to raise the debt ceiling and, if so --

MR. FLEISCHER: Yes.

Q -- is it still by $750 billion?

MR. FLEISCHER: Is it what?

Q Would it still be by $750 billion, or would you scale that back?

MR. FLEISCHER: That was the request that was sent up to the Hill. That's correct.

Q Even with an influx in revenues after April 15? Would that still be the amount?

MR. FLEISCHER: By all projections, this is an issue that has not and will not go away. There are seasonal fluctuations as the revenues are received, particularly in the month of April, that mean that the damage that is done as a result of not passing a debt ceiling increase is temporary. But it means it doesn't go away, it will return again later this year. It's a very serious issue that, if action is not taken by the Congress, can impair the reliability of the nation's debt.

Q -- indicate that they're going to --

MR. FLEISCHER: I don't know if that was a topic that came up this morning. It wasn't in what was briefed to me.

95 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:03:16pm

re: #91 JasonA

He comes the justified shitstorm.

96 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:03:49pm

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
February 27, 2002

Q Mr. President, what did you tell the congressional leaders this morning about the debt limit? And what ceiling are you comfortable with?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, we'll leave the size of the debt ceiling to the Treasury officials. They will make the recommendation. But I told the -- recommended to the members of the legislation that we not play politics with the debt ceiling; that we're at war, we've got troops all around the world, we've got men and women whose lives are at risk. And now is not the time to be playing politics, or using the debt ceiling as an excuse for some individual's cause.

We need to have a good, sane policy. And I think the members there at breakfast agreed with me, that now is an inappropriate time to play politics with the debt ceiling. It's happened in the past. Both parties are guilty about playing politics with the debt ceiling. And I urge the Congress deal with the debt ceiling, deal with it in a professional way, and move it on.

97 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:04:13pm

So basically Bush got the debt ceilings easily passed by playing the war card.

98 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:04:25pm

re: #88 JasonA

Just read on my twitter feed that ABB bought his ammo online from the US.

I find that hard to believe, if he did it legally.

99 Lidane  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:04:26pm

re: #89 Gus 802

re: #87 Gus 802

re: #94 Gus 802

That was when we had a white Republican as POTUS. Things are different now, don'tcha know.

100 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:05:09pm

re: #99 Lidane

re: #87 Gus 802

re: #94 Gus 802

And we were at war! Unlike now where we're not at war.

//

101 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:05:27pm

re: #91 JasonA

Norway Shooter's Ammo From U.S.

battle!
combat!
I wonder if he wore any Kevlar?

102 makeitstop  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:05:38pm

re: #93 Bulworth

Boner will likely get a couple of Democratic votes, such as Dan Boren from OK and Heath Schuler from NC. Maybe a couple of others from the Blue Doggy caucus.

According to that link, Boren is still undecided and Schuler is a 'No.'

I don't want any Dems voting for this crap. That'll just give Boehner the opportunity to call it a 'bi-partisan bill.'

103 Lidane  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:05:44pm

re: #91 JasonA

Norway Shooter's Ammo From U.S.

If that turns out to be true, then wow. Expect the far right to double down even more on the batshit.

Now they're targeting our Second Amendment rights!

104 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:06:23pm

re: #98 Naso Tang

I find that hard to believe, if he did it legally.

why?...what's the law say?

105 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:06:23pm

re: #98 Naso Tang

It's an unimportant detail. At least until Der Spiegel gets a writer on it.

106 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:09:33pm

re: #104 albusteve

why?...what's the law say?

I don't know the law(s) specifically, but I know that airlines will not carry ammunition and it has to go surface and be personally signed for on delivery in the US. I suspect that Norway will have at least similar controls, and import ones.

I imported a rifle, antique, from Sweden once and even sending it out was a paperwork hassle, as was getting it cleared here.

107 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:09:42pm

re: #104 albusteve

This pertains to tourists, but I think it would also applly to citizens as well.

Restricted by Norwegian customs regulations: Illegal drugs, prescription medicines that are not intended for personal use or in very large quantities, alcoholic beverages over 60 %, weapons and ammunition, fireworks, birds and exotic animals, as well as plants for cultivation. Also prohibited in Norway is the import of potatoes. The import of 10 kilograms of other vegetables, meats or fruits from within the European Economic Area (EEA) is allowed.

108 Kragar  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:10:44pm

re: #107 Bubblehead II

This pertains to tourists, but I think it would also applly to citizens as well.

Restricted by Norwegian customs regulations: Illegal drugs, prescription medicines that are not intended for personal use or in very large quantities, alcoholic beverages over 60 %, weapons and ammunition, fireworks, birds and exotic animals, as well as plants for cultivation. Also prohibited in Norway is the import of potatoes. The import of 10 kilograms of other vegetables, meats or fruits from within the European Economic Area (EEA) is allowed.

Why potatoes?

109 Bulworth  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:10:49pm

re: #102 makeitstop

According to that link, Boren is still undecided and Schuler is a 'No.'

I don't want any Dems voting for this crap. That'll just give Boehner the opportunity to call it a 'bi-partisan bill.'

And 10 "leaning no" or "undecided".

110 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:11:04pm

re: #107 Bubblehead II

So either somebody is wrong on reporting, or the US is about to do an FBI investigation.

Also, that would mean accomplices.

111 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:11:32pm

re: #108 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Why potatoes?

potato gun ammo

112 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:11:59pm

re: #108 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Why potatoes?

at least in germany, potatoes is serious business: you can only plant licenced varieties, for fear the pollen might get out and corrupt crops, I guess.

113 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:12:22pm

re: #108 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Why potatoes?

Disease

114 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:13:02pm

Image: Natl_Debt_Chart-1024x819.jpg

115 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:13:31pm

Image: zfacts-reagan-bush-national-debt1.gif

116 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:14:05pm

re: #110 ProLifeLiberal

Or, maybe he just lied to cover up help in Norway. Who knows how much is truth or fiction in the manifesto? By definition its self serving.

117 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:14:19pm

re: #108 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Probably some form of blight they are trying to keep iut of the Country.re: #110 ProLifeLiberal

Yep, if it turns of to be true.

118 Lidane  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:14:35pm

re: #107 Bubblehead II

Restricted by Norwegian customs regulations: Illegal drugs, prescription medicines that are not intended for personal use or in very large quantities, alcoholic beverages over 60 %, weapons and ammunition, fireworks, birds and exotic animals, as well as plants for cultivation. Also prohibited in Norway is the import of potatoes. The import of 10 kilograms of other vegetables, meats or fruits from within the European Economic Area (EEA) is allowed.

Yeah. This is why I'm not ready to say that he did buy his ammo from a supplier here. I'd have to see something more concrete before believing it.

119 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:15:25pm

bbiaw. Just got handed a Honey Do list.

120 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:16:45pm

re: #114 Gus 802

Image: Natl_Debt_Chart-1024x819.jpg

That chart makes Boenher cry.

121 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:17:02pm

Confirmation of the Assassination of a Rebel General (Abdel Fatah Younis) and two people under him by Qaddafi's men.

122 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:17:06pm

re: #118 Lidane

Yeah. This is why I'm not ready to say that he did buy his ammo from a supplier here. I'd have to see something more concrete before believing it.

Not everything is checked. He could have had small packages sent by mail, but given that he talks about risks of detection it seems that this would be a silly one to take.

123 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:18:36pm

re: #91 JasonA

Norway Shooter's Ammo From U.S.

The article is confusing clips (proper term is magazines) with rounds (or cartridges.) I don't think he bought the ammunition from the US, the $550 US is just enough to purchase the mags and have them shipped.

124 Kragar  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:18:44pm

Michele Bachmann: My Husband Is Off-Limits


Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) says that questions about her husband's controversial Christian counseling center, as well as her husband's controversial views on homosexuality, are not pertinent to her presidential campaign.

Yeah, I'm sure that will put an end to things.

125 Lidane  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:18:57pm

re: #122 Naso Tang

Not everything is checked. He could have had small packages sent by mail, but given that he talks about risks of detection it seems that this would be a silly one to take.

Right. If he wants to avoid getting caught before he carries out his plans, why would he risk a red flag by having ammo imported from the United States?

He planned this for a long time. I would imagine he had time to build a stockpile without raising suspicion, buying in small quantities over a long stretch of time.

126 Kragar  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:19:22pm

re: #123 goddamnedfrank

The article is confusing clips (proper term is magazines) with rounds (or cartridges.) I don't think he bought the ammunition from the US, the $550 US is just enough to purchase the mags and have them shipped.

Yeah, it refers to the extended 30 round magazines.

127 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:19:44pm

Some asshole tries to convey something sinister about LGF (see tags and the last photo):

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

128 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:20:33pm

re: #126 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yeah, it refers to the extended 30 round magazines.

Rounds, clips, mags, rpgs, torpedoes, sling shots, they're all the same to a laymen in the media.
;)

129 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:20:43pm

re: #124 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Michele Bachmann: My Husband Is Off-Limits

Yeah, I'm sure that will put an end to things.

tough titty...people make issue with whatever they want...you're hubby is a kook it will be an issue because studies have proven that kookiness is contagious

130 makeitstop  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:20:49pm

re: #124 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Michele Bachmann: My Husband Is Off-Limits

Yeah, I'm sure that will put an end to things.

Yes, but...

Bachmann prominently cited Obama in her diatribe against "anti-American" Democrats on MSNBC during the 2008 campaign.

"Remember it was Michelle Obama who said she is only recently proud of her country and so these are very anti-American views," she said at the time. "That's not the way that most Americans feel about our country. Most Americans are wild about America and they are very concerned to have a president who doesn't share those values."

So, she's allowed to call Michelle O. anti-American, but her husband is off-limits?

Ain't no standard like a double standard!
/

131 Kragar  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:21:33pm

re: #127 Sergey Romanov

Some asshole tries to convey something sinister about LGF (see tags and the last photo):

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Its a pic of a guy who flounced and joined the stalkers.

132 makeitstop  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:21:55pm

re: #129 albusteve

kookiness is contagious

If that's true, those two have been breeding a super-strain of kooky.

133 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:22:24pm

re: #131 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Its a pic of a guy who flounced and joined the stalkers.

LGF operative Iron Fisting? *ouch*

134 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:22:29pm

re: #131 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Its a pic of a guy who flounced and joined the stalkers.

Who was that anyway?

135 Spocomptonite  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:22:50pm

re: #108 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Why potatoes?

Potatoes are homes for a ridiculous number of plant diseases and soil parasites. About 1/3 of the crop will be lost if the field isn't sprayed with pest/herb/fungicides, and even then you still have to rotate like crazy so the soil parasites don't build up to alien-invasion-apocalypse levels. I'm always amazed going into E-WA that there's any potatoes left for human consumption after all the things in the field have their way with them first.

136 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:22:51pm

re: #130 makeitstop

I was just about to look into comments she might have made about michelle and/or other candidates' spouses

137 Kragar  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:23:17pm

re: #128 Varek Raith

Rounds, clips, mags, rpgs, torpedoes, sling shots, they're all the same to a laymen in the media.
;)

I remember face palming when a reporter called placing a berm around a village a bold new strategy.

138 Kragar  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:24:16pm

re: #134 Gus 802

Who was that anyway?

Iron Fist (noun or verb, I'm not quite sure)

139 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:24:26pm

re: #127 Sergey Romanov

Some asshole tries to convey something sinister about LGF (see tags and the last photo):

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Unless I am completely insane (or some quantum superposition of sane and insane), that photo is years and years old. I definitely recall seeing either that photo or a similar one a looooonnnnng time ago.

140 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:24:39pm

re: #124 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

she is just setting her hand so she can play the victim card when they start publishing more embarassing facts about him

141 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:26:03pm

re: #121 ProLifeLiberal

Norway sidetracked me from doing a page last week. After work today, I'll do one, as this is a big event.

142 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:26:25pm

re: #127 Sergey Romanov

Some asshole tries to convey something sinister about LGF (see tags and the last photo):

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

And the same asshole supports book burning.

143 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:27:21pm

re: #128 Varek Raith

Rounds, clips, mags, rpgs, torpedoes, sling shots, they're all the same to a laymen in the media.
;)

Guide to firearms identification
Image: 4risq.jpg

144 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:27:54pm

re: #143 negativ

Guide to firearms identification
Image: 4risq.jpg

Lol.

145 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:28:31pm

re: #142 Gus 802

And the same asshole supports book burning.

That sounded bad. But he is only advocating blasphemy and the right to blasphemy, which is fine with me.

146 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:28:45pm

re: #127 Sergey Romanov

Some asshole tries to convey something sinister about LGF (see tags and the last photo):

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

LOL, they actually made LGF "minion" patches back in the day, and wore them on their jackets and leather biker vests. I've hear people mention the jackets but seeing them is just, wow!

147 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:28:54pm

During the war in Lebanon, didn't some journos keep calling Israeli helicopters 'jets'?

148 aagcobb  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:29:40pm

re: #130 makeitstop

Ain't no standard like a double standard!
/

SOP for the Right. The Right can play the victim card; Bush can demand no playing politics with the debt limit during wartime; its treason to criticize a GOP President during wartime; you can't critcize the spouses of GOP candidates. And nobody in the MSM calls them on it.

149 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:30:28pm

re: #145 Sergey Romanov

That sounded bad. But he is only advocating blasphemy and the right to blasphemy, which is fine with me.

Yeah. Book burning "or something". Anyway. I've seen that photo countless times. I won't get into Daily Kos's overall anti-Israel biases. I don't read Daily Kos. Never have, and never will. Not my cup of tea and I still to this day have little tolerance for moonbats.

150 Kragar  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:30:57pm

re: #143 negativ

Guide to firearms identification
Image: 4risq.jpg

Its like the wonders of Ork technology.

Image: maa4ao.jpg

151 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:32:45pm

re: #146 goddamnedfrank

LOL, they actually made LGF "minion" patches back in the day, and wore them on their jackets and leather biker vests. I've hear people mention the jackets but seeing them is just, wow!

LGF was their whole life. Take, for example, one of the stalkers, Macker. He's among the most vocal LGF spittle-showers. Yet here's an old comment at his blog:

Saturday, September 15, 2007
A Contributing Lizardoid
Filed under: Other Blogs |

Even though I don’t pass along lots of news content to Charles over at LGF, I have made some observations about the changes he’s been making there (in my opinion, they have all been positive), and how those changes interact with the Lizardoid community. Sometimes (as in any system) these can result in user abuse. In one thread, someone was rating their own comments for no particular reason, I made a common-sense observation, and here’s Charles’ reply:

re: #226 Macker

Charles, I don’t think we should be allowed to rate our own posts. Let others judge our comments by our content.

Good idea. I just changed the code to do that.

Man, I feel good. Thanks Charles! Next time I get to LA, I want to buy you the alcoholic beverage of your choice!

Posted by Macker at 12:56 MST

*tears*

152 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:34:23pm

re: #145 Sergey Romanov

That sounded bad. But he is only advocating blasphemy and the right to blasphemy, which is fine with me.

Here. Look at this one instead. Israel: All People Remaining in S. Lebanon are Targets.

153 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:34:47pm

re: #149 Gus 802

I hate Pastor Jones who would burn Koran in NY.

I support an Iranian or Afghani or ... infidel who would burn Koran in any of the theocratic states, as I would support a non-believer or even a believer protesting the religious tyranny burning the Bible in a Christian theocracy.

154 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:35:00pm

re: #151 Sergey Romanov

He's been back too, dressed as a sock.

155 windsagio  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:36:44pm

re: #146 goddamnedfrank

Those biker vests are wonderful in a few ways. There's the "I must show my loyalty publicly!" level, but there's also the "I secretly with I was tough like a '60s Hell's Angel, bikers are badass!" level. Its the one case where the sad accents the funny.

156 recusancy  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:37:33pm

re: #152 Gus 802

Here. Look at this one instead. Israel: All People Remaining in S. Lebanon are Targets.

lol... I thought you never had and never will read dkos?? You're aware that commentors take posters like that to task right? It's a large large community.

157 windsagio  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:37:35pm

re: #155 windsagio

I forgot, I bet the guys that did that are also deeply proud of their semi-mythical gun collections.

158 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:38:08pm

The crooked ratings agencies that allowed the crooked bankers to destroy the economy, should shut the fuck up and concentrate on their own incompetence. Since when did Moodys and S & P try to publicly sway politics before? Are they full of wingnuts now?

159 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:38:31pm

re: #156 recusancy

We're discussing a particular poster, not bashing the site.

160 recusancy  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:39:15pm

re: #159 Sergey Romanov

We're discussing a particular poster, not bashing the site.

ah

161 avanti  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:39:52pm

Probably old news about Breivilk's manifesto, but I probably missed it:

"Breivik defends Pam "Atlas Shrugs" Geller in Manifesto

Posted by Gen. JC Christian, Patriot

Jesusopatriot crusader Anders Breivik (aka Andrew Berwick) comes to the defense of Our Lady of the All Caps Screech, Pam Geller and friends in his Manifesto (p. 625):

I have watched, for the better part of a year, a number of decent human beings including, but not limited to, Pamela Geller, Paul Belien, Diana West, the Baron and Dymphna from the Gates of Vienna blog and many others, being at the receiving end of a vicious smear campaign from Charles Johnson and Little Green Footballs which is unlike anything I have seen in my life.

162 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:40:01pm

re: #160 recusancy

ah

I noticed far more positive comments about LGF in light of the recent events than the negative ones.

163 Lidane  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:40:09pm

Personal responsibility, y'all!

Rep. Joe Walsh Defends Not Paying $117,000 In Child Support: ‘This Is Where Real America Is’

164 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:40:12pm

re: #162 Sergey Romanov

At DK I mean.

165 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:40:48pm

re: #156 recusancy

lol... I thought you never had and never will read dkos?? You're aware that commentors take posters like that to task right? It's a large large community.

LOL I'm just looking through it now. Is it OK if I'm a little angry at this douche bag LodinLepp for misrepresenting LGF as it is now? So it's OK to take Abigail R. Esman to task for misrepresenting LGF yet for some reason or another LodenLepp is off limits and suddenly results in a knee jerk defense of Daily Kos? Sure, they're taken to task and I am aware of this. However, LodenLepp is still wrong. W-r-o-n-g. Yeah. Laugh out loud.

166 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:40:52pm

re: #161 avanti

Ahh, not that again. Those are not Breivik's words.

167 makeitstop  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:42:09pm

re: #161 avanti

Probably old news about Breivilk's manifesto, but I probably missed it:

"Breivik defends Pam "Atlas Shrugs" Geller in Manifesto

Posted by Gen. JC Christian, Patriot

Jesusopatriot crusader Anders Breivik (aka Andrew Berwick) comes to the defense of Our Lady of the All Caps Screech, Pam Geller and friends in his Manifesto (p. 625):

I have watched, for the better part of a year, a number of decent human beings including, but not limited to, Pamela Geller, Paul Belien, Diana West, the Baron and Dymphna from the Gates of Vienna blog and many others, being at the receiving end of a vicious smear campaign from Charles Johnson and Little Green Footballs which is unlike anything I have seen in my life.

I think Fjordman actually wrote that.

168 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:42:21pm

re: #159 Sergey Romanov

We're discussing a particular poster, not bashing the site.

Thanks Sergey. Glad you noticed.

169 Bulworth  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:43:36pm

re: #163 Lidane

Personal responsibility, y'all!

Rep. Joe Walsh Defends Not Paying $117,000 In Child Support: ‘This Is Where Real America Is’

"This is real America is?" WTF?

170 avanti  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:44:01pm

re: #166 Sergey Romanov

Ahh, not that again. Those are not Breivik's words.

My bad, just hit link with a google search, thanks for the fact check.

171 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:44:19pm

re: #153 Sergey Romanov

the whole koran burning things is another example of the dynamic of east and west, enlightment and fundamentalism

a lot of undereducated people in totalitarian states do not understand that there are free media and free press. they assume that anything in the papers is put there by the government

the mullahs take advantage of that and paint an image that pastor jones somehow has the cachet of the government to do what he does.

the mullahs know better, but they use it to rile up the people, as they did with the danish cartoons. it is very ugly

172 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:44:42pm

re: #170 avanti

Thanks for bringing this to attention, I'll tweet JCP.

173 Kragar  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:45:00pm

Norway attacks boost political parties' membership


Membership of Norway's political parties has surged in response to calls to counter last week's massacre with more democracy and political participation, and some warn that the debate must shed traces of xenophobia.
174 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:45:09pm

re: #169 Bulworth

"This is real America is?" WTF?

Typical deadbeat. Brother can you spare a dime?

175 Bulworth  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:45:53pm

re: #163 Lidane

Personal responsibility, y'all!

Rep. Joe Walsh Defends Not Paying $117,000 In Child Support: ‘This Is Where Real America Is’

It's all the Democrat Party's fault for raising this issue just now. //

176 Kragar  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:46:44pm

re: #163 Lidane

Personal responsibility, y'all!

Rep. Joe Walsh Defends Not Paying $117,000 In Child Support: ‘This Is Where Real America Is’

Douchebag.

177 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:46:56pm

re: #163 Lidane

Personal responsibility, y'all!

Rep. Joe Walsh Defends Not Paying $117,000 In Child Support: ‘This Is Where Real America Is’

Like being lectured on the dangers of marijuana by a heroin addict.

178 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:49:35pm

re: #160 recusancy

ah

Growl! Here, have a virtual beer. []o

;)

179 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:51:37pm

re: #155 windsagio

Those biker vests are wonderful in a few ways. There's the "I must show my loyalty publicly!" level, but there's also the "I secretly with I was tough like a '60s Hell's Angel, bikers are badass!" level. Its the one case where the sad accents the funny.

It's that they labeled themselves as "minion" that makes it extra special sauce pathetic. They loved Charles, they worshiped him (their idea of him.) They went out in public dressed as proud little blog warriors, so it's no wonder now why they feel betrayed and hate him so much now, since you can only hate that which you once were desperately in love with.

"So it's sorta social, demented and sad, but social."
-Bender, The Breakfast Club

180 Kragar  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:51:40pm

Spokane Bomber's Anti-Semitic Beliefs Are Inadmissable Evidence


Judge Justin Quackenbush granted a request from Harpham's public defender that "Evidence of Alleged Anti-Semitism" be withheld during the trial. Harpham's attorneys argued that his anti-Semitic beliefs are irrelevant because being Jewish is technically a religion, not a "race" like being white, black, or Asian. Quackenbush agreed, writing that "common ancestry is not required to be Jewish" and that "persons of the Jewish faith are clearly not defined by race."

The judge notes that "there is no question" that the federal hate-crime law covers violence that specifically targets people of Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Christian, and other faiths, but he points out that federal prosecutors failed to cite religion "as a basis for the hate crime" in their indictment. In other words, a legal technicality helped Harpham escape being outed in court as a Jew-hater.

181 makeitstop  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:51:42pm

I'm starting to think that Boehner's bill isn't even gonna get out of the House.

He's one Republican 'no' away from Maximum Congressional Fail.

182 Gepetto  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:52:27pm

re: #68 Gus 802
re: #68 Gus 802

Where were these guys when they raised the debt ceiling under Bush?

Most were voting for it. The opposition was led by Senators Reid and Obama, who called raising the debt ceiling "a failure of leadership". Interesting how things change, innit?

183 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:53:05pm

re: #182 Gepetto

re: #68 Gus 802

Most were voting for it. The opposition was led by Senators Reid and Obama, who called raising the debt ceiling "a failure of leadership". Interesting how things change, innit?

Si.

184 Lidane  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:53:17pm

re: #181 makeitstop

I'm starting to think that Boehner's bill isn't even gonna get out of the House.

He's one Republican 'no' away from Maximum Congressional Fail.

It won't. At this point Boehner's only hope are Democrats who vote for his plan, and I'm willing to bet that Pelosi and the rest of the Democratic leadership are heavily twisting arms to keep that from happening.

This failure will esentially be a vote of no confidence on Sir John of Orange.

185 Bulworth  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:53:31pm

re: #181 makeitstop

I'm starting to think that Boehner's bill isn't even gonna get out of the House.

He's one Republican 'no' away from Maximum Congressional Fail.

C'mon, Steve King. Don't let me down.

186 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:55:58pm

re: #180 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Spokane Bomber's Anti-Semitic Beliefs Are Inadmissable Evidence

What bullshit. One way if being Jewish is an ethnicity.

187 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:56:33pm

BREAKING:
Emergency Team Of 8th-Grade Civics Teachers Dispatched to Washington

WASHINGTON—With lawmakers still at an impasse over increasing the debt ceiling, a special team of 40 eighth-grade civics teachers was air-dropped into Washington earlier today in a last-ditch effort to teach congressional leaders how the government’s legislative process works. “We started them off with the basics, like the difference between a senator and a representative, and then moved on to more complex concepts, like what a resolution is,” Bozeman, MT social studies teacher Heidi Rossmiller told reporters as all 535 members of Congress copied down the definition of “checks and balances” from a whiteboard in the House chamber. “It’s been a bit of an uphill battle, since most of them seemed to have no real sense of how or why a bill is passed, and Sen. [Harry] Reid [D-NV] had to come up to me during a break and ask, ‘Ms. Rossmiller, what happens if Congress can’t reach a compromise?’ But hopefully it will all start to sink in soon.” At press time, an unruly House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) had noisily stormed out of a lecture on bipartisan cooperation, claiming it was “too hard.”

188 Bulworth  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:56:45pm

re: #181 makeitstop

I'm starting to think that Boehner's bill isn't even gonna get out of the House.

He's one Republican 'no' away from Maximum Congressional Fail.

Apparently Boner can lose 24 of his R's and still get passage if there are no D votes. But to win by only one vote would not make Reid shudder much.

189 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:57:15pm

re: #180 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Spokane Bomber's Anti-Semitic Beliefs Are Inadmissable Evidence

They have just stated that antisemitism is not racism. Ridiculous.

190 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:57:38pm

re: #185 Bulworth

C'mon, Steve King. Don't let me down.

*whisper* I heard there's something in the Boehner plan about defunding concentration camps for suspected Muslisms *whisper*

191 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:57:47pm

Talking Points Memo
@TPM Talking Points Memo
Cantor says the House will be in session this weekend.

192 makeitstop  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:57:51pm

re: #184 Lidane

It won't. At this point Boehner's only hope are Democrats who vote for his plan, and I'm willing to bet that Pelosi and the rest of the Democratic leadership are heavily twisting arms to keep that from happening.

This failure will esentially be a vote of no confidence on Sir John of Orange.

An interesting point about the list on that page (thanks for the link, BTW!) is that the 4 Blue Dogs who voted for CC&B are listed as firm 'no' votes.

So unless some Dem comes out of nowhere, Reid won't have to lift a finger to kill the bill. It may just die on its own.

193 Lidane  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:58:00pm

re: #188 Bulworth

Apparently Boner can lose 24 of his R's and still get passage if there are no D votes. But to win by only one vote would not make Reid shudder much.

Supposedly he's already lost 26:

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

194 recusancy  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:59:21pm

re: #192 makeitstop

An interesting point about the list on that page (thanks for the link, BTW!) is that the 4 Blue Dogs who voted for CC&B are listed as firm 'no' votes.

So unless some Dem comes out of nowhere, Reid won't have to lift a finger to kill the bill. It may just die on its own.

Reid is in the Senate.

195 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:59:29pm

The Republicans are going to just draw straws to see which of them has to vote for it. The secretly want it to pass, but do not want to have it on record that they actually supported it.

196 Lidane  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:00:07pm

re: #194 recusancy

Reid is in the Senate.

And Reid already said that Boehner's bill would die in the Senate, so the point still stands.

197 makeitstop  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:01:01pm

re: #194 recusancy

Reid is in the Senate.

I know that. But Reid said if it gets out of the House, he'll kill it post-haste by tabling the bill when it gets to him.

But if Boehner can't swing enough votes to get it out of the House, Reid won't have to lift a finger.

198 Bulworth  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:02:19pm

re: #195 ralphieboy

The Republicans are going to just draw straws to see which of them has to vote for it. The secretly want it to pass, but do not want to have it on record that they actually supported it.

I suspect you're right about this. Wonder how the teabags outside Congress will regard this. Where is Erik son of Erik on this? Has he gotten the memo?

199 Gepetto  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:02:27pm

re: #108 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Why potatoes?

Norway likes potatoes, with almost every meal. I assume its a big money crop for them, and they're protecting from diseases and cheap imports.

200 b_Snark  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:03:13pm

Bullshit by any other name would still make me gag.

201 recusancy  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:04:46pm

re: #197 makeitstop

I know that. But Reid said if it gets out of the House, he'll kill it post-haste by tabling the bill when it gets to him.

But if Boehner can't swing enough votes to get it out of the House, Reid won't have to lift a finger.

gotcha

203 Kragar  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:09:56pm

Rand Paul: 'I'd rather be a hobbit than a troll'

204 windsagio  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:11:02pm

re: #189 Sergey Romanov

They have just stated that antisemitism is not racism. Ridiculous.

Hating Palestinians for their ethnicity isn't racist, so why should hating Jews for their ethnicity be racist?

205 b_Snark  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:11:53pm

re: #203 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Rand Paul: 'I'd rather be a hobbit than a troll'

Big hairy feet are such a turn-on for some people.

206 Winny Spencer  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:13:23pm

re: #204 windsagio

Hating Palestinians for their ethnicity isn't racist, so why should hating Jews for their ethnicity be racist?

What?

207 Spocomptonite  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:14:07pm

re: #161 avanti

Probably old news about Breivilk's manifesto, but I probably missed it:

"Breivik defends Pam "Atlas Shrugs" Geller in Manifesto

Posted by Gen. JC Christian, Patriot

Jesusopatriot crusader Anders Breivik (aka Andrew Berwick) comes to the defense of Our Lady of the All Caps Screech, Pam Geller and friends in his Manifesto (p. 625):

I have watched, for the better part of a year, a number of decent human beings including, but not limited to, Pamela Geller, Paul Belien, Diana West, the Baron and Dymphna from the Gates of Vienna blog and many others, being at the receiving end of a vicious smear campaign from Charles Johnson and Little Green Footballs which is unlike anything I have seen in my life.

I think he/we should take that as a compliment, coming as it is from a projecting sociopath.

208 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:14:35pm

re: #204 windsagio

Hating Palestinians for their ethnicity isn't racist, so why should hating Jews for their ethnicity be racist?

Racism pertains to ethnicity, not only to "race" proper, and hating Palestinians is certainly as racist as hating Jews, or Japanese, or Russians, or...

209 b_Snark  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:14:48pm

re: #206 Winny Spencer

What?

Sarcasm.

210 windsagio  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:15:29pm

re: #206 Winny Spencer

Its a reference to an earlier discussion on here. Having been in depth and angrily assured that hating Palestinians isn't racist because its not a race, its just surprising to me to see people complaining about a similar line of logic. (Altho its different people talking of course :p)

The answer is, of course its racist :D

211 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:17:25pm

re: #210 windsagio

Its a reference to an earlier discussion on here. Having been in depth and angrily assured that hating Palestinians isn't racist because its not a race, its just surprising to me to see people complaining about a similar line of logic. (Altho its different people talking of course :p)

Makes your 'logic' hard to follow....

212 Alexzander  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:19:11pm

re: #210 windsagio

Its a reference to an earlier discussion on here. Having been in depth and angrily assured that hating Palestinians isn't racist because its not a race, its just surprising to me to see people complaining about a similar line of logic. (Altho its different people talking of course :p)

The answer is, of course its racist :D

Where was the earlier discussion?

213 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:19:58pm

Isn't being Palestinian a matter of choice?

/

214 windsagio  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:20:36pm

re: #211 wrenchwench

I admit, it occurred to me that people might not remember, but I couldn't think of an elegant way to put it in, so decided to risk a misunderstanding.

~~~

There is an actual point there tho', what goes around comes around... and you can't deny racial hate on technicalities when its convenient.

re: #212 Alexzander

It was several months ago lol. I was involved (obviously), so you might be able to find it that way, but there are a lot of posts so... ><

215 windsagio  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:21:36pm

re: #211 wrenchwench

Goddamn I wish I could edit, it would be handy... Naturally that applies to the courts as well. Hate is hate.

216 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:22:52pm

re: #214 windsagio

I admit, it occurred to me that people might not remember, but I couldn't think of an elegant way to put it in, so decided to risk a misunderstanding.

~~~

There is an actual point there tho', what goes around comes around... and you can't deny racial hate on technicalities when its convenient.

But it looks like you're trying to stir it up with people who aren't here.

217 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:24:22pm

re: #210 windsagio

I haven't seen that discussion, but I don't see the point. Even if hatred of Palestinians is not defined as racism, what of it? It's still as bad as hatred of any other ethnic group.

218 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:26:45pm

Army: AWOL Soldier admits to Ft. Hood attack plan

Pfc. Naser Abdo, a 21-year-old soldier who was granted conscientious objector status this year after he said his Muslim beliefs prevented him from fighting, was arrested Wednesday. Agents found firearms and "items that could be identified as bomb-making components, including gunpowder," in his motel room, according to FBI spokesman Erik Vasys.
The Army alert sent via email and obtained by The Associated Press says Killeen police arrested police after a tip from the owners of a gun shop and "was in possession of a large quantity of ammunition, weapons and a bomb inside a backpack." Upon questioning, the alert says, he admitted to planning an attack on Fort Hood.

219 Robert O.  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:27:40pm

In a way, Boehner is right: the GOP stoked the Tea Party when it was politically convenient. Moderate Republicans either sat quietly or abandoned ship. For more than a year now, the Tea Party has been out of anybody's control. In the same manner that I say to Middle Eastern / Central Asian despots vis-a-vis the radical islamist: take responsibility for the monster you created.

220 makeitstop  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:30:12pm

Looks like Boehner's bill may be DBA (dead before arrival).

Members are advised that the House GOP Leadership has postponed the votes on the motion to recommit and final passage of S. 627 – Speaker Boehner’s Short Term Default Act (amending the Faster FOIA Act of 2011). Following general debate on S. 627, the House will consider the eight bills listed for consideration under suspension of the Rules.

He's gotta be sweating orange bullets about now.

221 windsagio  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:31:10pm

re: #216 wrenchwench

Heh, its becoming about me :p

Seriously tho', its not like that. The way sergey put the line made me think of another relevant discussion, and again its illustrative of a point.

re: #217 Sergey Romanov

I'll try to clarify then :p The point I was making is that redefining things to avoid negative terms is not a good way to handle things. In the Spokane case, the judge is saying 'You didn't charge him with a hate crime, so talking about his history of racism would be prejudicial, so I'm not allowing it.' which is kind of legally logical, but also leaving out a very important part of the case. This talk of 'its not really racism!' is often used as a smokescreen to cover up the actual hate (as is the example in that court case) and I just think that's a really bad thing.

Hiding the hate doesn't make it go away.

222 Lidane  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:31:39pm

re: #220 makeitstop

Looks like Boehner's bill may be DBA (dead before arrival).

He's gotta be sweating orange bullets about now.

TPM's LiveWire is reporting the same thing. They've postponed voting on Boehner's bill indefinitely:

[Link: talkingpointsmemo.com...]

223 windsagio  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:31:52pm

re: #220 makeitstop

Didn't I read somewhere that they were gonna Gerrymander one of the TP guys for going against Boener?

224 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:33:33pm

This looks like a reasonable look at the way this will play out.....Senate Democrats Set Strategy For Weekend Debt-Ceiling Showdown With GOP -Aide

Senate Democrats plan to give Republicans a final offer on how to resolve the impasse over the need to raise the debt ceiling as the clock ticks down to the Aug. 2 deadline to increase the country's borrowing limit or face potential default on U.S. debts.

According to a senior Senate Democratic aide, Majority Leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.) will invite Republican leaders to propose changes to a plan he supports to raise the $14.29 trillion debt ceiling and cut more than $2 trillion from federal budget deficits.

The aide said Thursday that Mr. Reid will put Republicans on the clock, setting a deadline for them to put forward a workable solution to resolve the parties' differences on how to raise the borrowing limit. If they fail to take up the offer, the aide said that Reid will hold a straight up-or-down vote on his proposal in the "coming days."

"That would be the last opportunity to avert default and it will be on Republicans," the aide said.


That sounds kid of dangerous to me. I was hoping on bill reconciliation in the Senate. The Republicans don't want to make decisions and I think it's risky to involve them any more than we have to.

225 windsagio  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:35:22pm

re: #224 Killgore Trout

For once we're wishing one side DID have a supermajority.

226 sagehen  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:35:23pm

re: #124 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Michele Bachmann: My Husband Is Off-Limits

Yeah, I'm sure that will put an end to things.

The day she said she believed wives should be submissive to their husbands, that her choose career at her husband's direction, that made her husband's every thought absolutely relevant to her campaign.

227 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:35:29pm

re: #151 Sergey Romanov

I sometimes look at one of those places. It seems amazing to me that people who occasionally seem quite talented in some ways can be so obsessively investigating not just what Charles posts but what the rest of us post or bicker about.

We have comments about other blogs of course, but when one's entire online purpose is to micro analyse one other blog, something is not right in the universe.

228 Lidane  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:36:05pm

re: #224 Killgore Trout

That sounds kid of dangerous to me. I was hoping on bill reconciliation in the Senate. The Republicans don't want to make decisions and I think it's risky to involve them any more than we have to.

It's pretty goddamn pathetic that we have a political party that doesn't want to make any decisions, and they're the ones in charge of the House, which sets the budget. WTF.

229 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:36:16pm

re: #224 Killgore Trout

This looks like a reasonable look at the way this will play out...Senate Democrats Set Strategy For Weekend Debt-Ceiling Showdown With GOP -Aide


That sounds kid of dangerous to me. I was hoping on bill reconciliation in the Senate. The Republicans don't want to make decisions and I think it's risky to involve them any more than we have to.

Seems more and more like an attempt to put the final nail in the GOP's coffin, namely making them own the default. Not as though their actions up til now haven't accomplished that, but cementing it down could mean a far more favorable situation when default does happen and the GOP comes looking for a deal.

230 makeitstop  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:36:17pm

re: #223 windsagio

Didn't I read somewhere that they were gonna Gerrymander one of the TP guys for going against Boener?

I hadn't heard that - but I'm starting to think that Boehner is quickly running out of juice in the House. He may not have the clout to do that at this point, much as he might want to.

It's absolutely amazing to see a bunch of back-benchers put the shiv to their own leader. Interesting times.

231 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:38:24pm

re: #230 makeitstop

I hadn't heard that - but I'm starting to think that Boehner is quickly running out of juice in the House. He may not have the clout to do that at this point, much as he might want to.

It's absolutely amazing to see a bunch of back-benchers put the shiv to their own leader. Interesting times.

This whole SNAFU is going to spell the end of Boehner's days as Speaker, much like the '95 shutdown was the first step towards Newt being deposed. Cantor's probably already shopping for gavels.

232 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:39:13pm

re: #226 sagehen

The day she said she believed wives should be submissive to their husbands, that her choose career at her husband's direction, that made her husband's every thought absolutely relevant to her campaign.

He's her frickin' conduit to God. And she takes orders from God. Not only is her husband an issue, so is God. But I'd settle for discussing her husband's crackpot ministry.

233 Kragar  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:39:25pm

re: #230 makeitstop

I hadn't heard that - but I'm starting to think that Boehner is quickly running out of juice in the House. He may not have the clout to do that at this point, much as he might want to.

It's absolutely amazing to see a bunch of back-benchers put the shiv to their own leader. Interesting times.

"Et tus, Brute?"
"THAT SOUNDS FRENCH! STAB HIM SOME MORE!"

234 makeitstop  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:40:13pm

re: #231 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Cantor's probably already shopping for gavels.

Shopping? Nah, he bought his gavel weeks ago. He has to have known it would only be a matter of time before he gets to unwrap it.

235 windsagio  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:41:32pm

re: #230 makeitstop

hah, I read it in the pages!

link

U.S. Rep. Jim Jordan's open defiance of Speaker John Boehner's efforts to solve the debt-ceiling crisis could cost the Urbana Republican his safe seat in next year's election.

Two Republican sources deeply involved in configuring new Ohio congressional districts confirmed to The Dispatch today that Jordan's disloyalty to Boehner has put him in jeopardy of being zeroed out of a district.

"Jim Jordan's boneheadedness has kind of informed everybody's thinking," said one of the sources, both of whom spoke only on condition of anonymity. "The easiest option for everybody has presented itself."

Jordan's rural 11-county district, which has a 60 percent Republican voter index, "is easy to cannibalize because it stretches so far," said the other source.

Hostilities between Boehner and Jordan, whose districts abut each other, broke out into the open this week as the speaker struggled to line up votes from tea party conservatives in the House for his plan to raise the debt ceiling while cutting as much as $3 trillion over the next decade.

Jordan, a tea party favorite who chairs the 170-plus member Republican Study Committee, has stymied Boehner's efforts to raise the debt ceiling. On Wednesday, the rift exploded when it was discovered a key aide to the committee sent emails to conservative groups urging them to push undecided Republicans to vote against Boehner's plan.

h/t: Randall Gross

236 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:41:52pm

re: #24 Charles

Get this flag offa me!

I gotta wonder if the flag was made in China.

237 makeitstop  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:43:05pm

re: #235 windsagio

hah, I read it in the pages!

link

h/t: Randall Gross

Wow.

Let's see if Boehner can remain Speaker long enough to get it done.

238 Bulworth  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:43:08pm

re: #220 makeitstop

Looks like Boehner's bill may be DBA (dead before arrival).


He's gotta be sweating orange bullets about now.

See what you made me do?

239 kirkspencer  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:44:11pm

re: #231 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

This whole SNAFU is going to spell the end of Boehner's days as Speaker, much like the '95 shutdown was the first step towards Newt being deposed. Cantor's probably already shopping for gavels.

I keep remembering that Nancy always delivered what she promised to deliver, and never promised what she couldn't regardless of how much the base pleaded.

IIRC that was true of Dennis as well.

240 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:47:11pm

re: #229 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Seems more and more like an attempt to put the final nail in the GOP's coffin, namely making them own the default. Not as though their actions up til now haven't accomplished that, but cementing it down could mean a far more favorable situation when default does happen and the GOP comes looking for a deal.

I don't think the strategy is to make them own an inevitable default. If anything I'd guess that the strategy is to offer the Republicans fewer concessions because they've painted themselves into a corner. Dems know it and will force them to accept a "shitty deal" by leaving them holding the Hot Potato at the last minute. I still think it's risky.

241 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:47:33pm

And the House Republicans call a time out. We'll be back these few short messages.

242 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:48:15pm

Anime artists, video game developers, comic book artists, take note...

Boobs Don't Work That Way

243 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:48:49pm

re: #241 Gus 802

And the House Republicans call a time out. We'll be back AFTER these few short messages.

Can't f*cking type today.

244 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:49:13pm

re: #163 Lidane

Personal responsibility, y'all!

Rep. Joe Walsh Defends Not Paying $117,000 In Child Support: ‘This Is Where Real America Is’


He claims the article is a "hit piece"

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

He shoulda stuck to playing guitar with the Eagles.

245 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:49:39pm

re: #239 kirkspencer

I keep remembering that Nancy always delivered what she promised to deliver, and never promised what she couldn't regardless of how much the base pleaded.

IIRC that was true of Dennis as well.

That's partly because Nancy was not about twisting arms and breaking knees to get folks in line before votes. Boehner's problem is that the newbies are looking for one of two things: Total submission from Obama and Congressional Dems OR for us to go into default. And they've made it clear that they're not afraid of drawing the leadership's ire or being without the party's support come reelection time.

246 windsagio  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:50:20pm

re: #242 Slumbering Behemoth

All I got out of that blog was the new speedloading method.

247 Kragar  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:51:00pm

re: #242 Slumbering Behemoth

Anime artists, video game developers, comic book artists, take note...

Boobs Don't Work That Way

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

248 Bulworth  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:51:44pm

re: #244 ralphieboy

He claims the article is a "hit piece"

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

He shoulda stuck to playing guitar with the Eagles.

Which means, The facts are true, but highly inconvenient to me at this time and my opponents shouldn't be bothering me right now, I have the country to save....

249 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:52:33pm

re: #245 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

If you remember, the Tea partiers pointed out that they were against the political establishment, be it Democratic or Republican. In that respect they are remaining on-message.

The GOP somehow missed that nuance when they took these people on board.

250 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:53:00pm

re: #247 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

All boobs are giant, and filled with gravity defying helium. That's just science.

251 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:53:17pm

re: #230 makeitstop

I hadn't heard that - but I'm starting to think that Boehner is quickly running out of juice in the House. He may not have the clout to do that at this point, much as he might want to.

It's absolutely amazing to see a bunch of back-benchers put the shiv to their own leader. Interesting times.

Remember when the conventional wisdom was that all the tea party nuts that were elected in 2010 were going to be tempered and diluted by the more experienced mainstream Republicans?

252 Bulworth  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:53:27pm

re: #244 ralphieboy

He claims the article is a "hit piece"

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

He shoulda stuck to playing guitar with the Eagles.

Which means, The facts are true, but you're either with me or the terrorists....

253 Kragar  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:54:31pm

re: #250 Slumbering Behemoth

All boobs are giant, and filled with gravity defying helium. That's just science.

Waists go in, Boobs go out. You can't explain that.

254 Lidane  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:54:34pm

re: #247 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

I love how they have a piece of Rob Liefeld's shitty comic book art with that Captain America shot. His ideas of how the human body works make no damn sense:

[Link: www.progressiveboink.com...]

255 Kragar  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:55:04pm

re: #252 Bulworth

Which means, The facts are true, but you're either with me or the terrorists...

Why do they hate America?
/

256 Kragar  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:55:38pm

re: #254 Lidane

I love how they have a piece of Rob Liefeld's shitty comic book art with that Captain America shot. His ideas of how the human body works make no damn sense:

[Link: www.progressiveboink.com...]

They gave him the upper body of an Astartes on pencil legs.

257 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:56:17pm

re: #253 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just further proof that the aforementioned artists have never actually seen a real life woman's breasts.

258 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:56:29pm

re: #244 ralphieboy

He claims the article is a "hit piece"

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

He shoulda stuck to playing guitar with the Eagles.

Well, he clearly has a message to express to America: if paying money you owe is inconvenient, then don't.

259 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:57:41pm

re: #257 Slumbering Behemoth

Just further proof that the aforementioned artists have never actually seen a real life woman's breasts.


or they assume that none of their readers have...

260 Lidane  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:57:42pm

Hey, buddy -- can you spare a vote?

261 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:57:59pm

re: #258 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, he clearly has a message to express to America: if paying money you owe is inconvenient, then don't.

the state should have stepped in to prevent such a high debt...in MI they used to just cop your paycheck

262 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:58:20pm

re: #254 Lidane

Heh. "Man-boobs don’t work that way either!"

263 makeitstop  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:58:26pm

re: #244 ralphieboy

He claims the article is a "hit piece"

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

He shoulda stuck to playing guitar with the Eagles.

This boob actually got a Cease & Desist order from the real Joe Walsh for appropriating one of Joe's songs and writing lyrics about himself instead of the original lyrics.

What an idiot.

264 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:58:48pm

re: #249 ralphieboy

If you remember, the Tea partiers pointed out that they were against the political establishment, be it Democratic or Republican. In that respect they are remaining on-message.

The GOP somehow missed that nuance when they took these people on board.

Yeah, it doesn't really come as a surprise to anybody except the party leadership, who seemed to believe that they could walk all over these newbies just like they've done in the past. "Aw, you had ideals and beliefs? How cute. Here's your voting guide."

265 justaminute  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:58:51pm

David Frum recognizes the Republican House psyche:

"GOP mindset is that it’s better to gain less by show of force than to get more by negotiation." -David Frum

266 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:59:07pm

re: #259 ralphieboy

or they assume that none of their readers have...

Assume? No, that's just science.

267 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 2:59:37pm

re: #261 albusteve

the state should have stepped in to prevent such a high debt...in MI they used to just cop your paycheck

Does seem odd they let it go so far. Dunno what the rules are in his neck of the woods.

268 Kragar  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:00:03pm

re: #266 Slumbering Behemoth

Assume? No, that's just science.

Playing the odds...

269 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:00:24pm

re: #260 Lidane

Hey, buddy -- can you spare a vote?

And, surprising nobody, the announcement comes out after the market's already closed.

270 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:00:37pm

re: #263 makeitstop

This boob actually got a Cease & Desist order from the real Joe Walsh for appropriating one of Joe's songs and writing lyrics about himself instead of the original lyrics.

What an idiot.

Life's been good to him so far...

271 Lidane  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:01:05pm

re: #265 justaminute

David Frum recognizes the Republican House psyche:

"GOP mindset is that it’s better to gain less by show of force than to get more by negotiation." -David Frum

What the fuck does that even mean?

272 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:01:17pm

re: #267 SanFranciscoZionist

Does seem odd they let it go so far. Dunno what the rules are in his neck of the woods.

I suspect the story is leaving some things out...who knows

273 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:01:28pm

Wow.
Anybody see Chris Mathews on Hardball just now? I haven't heard that kind of talk yet from anyone.

274 Kragar  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:01:58pm

re: #271 Lidane

What the fuck does that even mean?

It means they're the Leroy Jenkins of politics.

275 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:02:03pm

Boehner couldn't pass a kidney stone

276 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:02:29pm

re: #271 Lidane

What the fuck does that even mean?

Getting a shitty bill through via beating the opposition into submission, so as to keep ones "principles" intact, is preferable to going against them in order to negotiate a good deal with the opposing side.

277 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:03:21pm

re: #131 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Its a pic of a guy who flounced and joined the stalkers.

Iron Fist, IIRC.

278 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:03:21pm

re: #271 Lidane

What the fuck does that even mean?

It's easier to beat someone up and takd $50 from their wallet than to work for them and earn $500.

279 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:03:29pm

GOP fail. Seriously. They can't even muster a majority on a bill written by their own House leader.

280 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:04:07pm

re: #275 Dreggas

Boehner couldn't pass a kidney stone

gawd, don't mention kidney stones...I've had two in the last four months, one on each side...they are nicely settled into my bladder for now

281 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:04:45pm

TPM Talking Points Memo
GOP now slowly drawing out vote on a post office naming bill as Boehner scrambles for votes. [Link: tpm.ly...]

282 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:05:03pm

re: #280 albusteve

gawd, don't mention kidney stones...I've had two in the last four months, one on each side...they are nicely settled into my bladder for now

so, in other words, now the wait for the fun part begins?

//

seriously, that sucks, never had em but heard they are painful.

283 Kragar  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:05:15pm

re: #278 ralphieboy

It's easier to beat someone up and takd $50 from their wallet than to work for them and earn $500.

In this case, Boehner tried to mug a guy for his $50, got stomped, turned around and saw the rest of his gang had run away.

284 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:05:17pm

re: #240 Killgore Trout

I don't think the strategy is to make them own an inevitable default. If anything I'd guess that the strategy is to offer the Republicans fewer concessions because they've painted themselves into a corner. Dems know it and will force them to accept a "shitty deal" by leaving them holding the Hot Potato at the last minute. I still think it's risky.

IMO
What has to stop is the brinkmanship. It's too damn dangerous. The consequences will surely outlast the careers of each and every hard core Tea Party First partisan and no small number of the rest of congress. The searing heat of anger will know no bounds. If we default we could bet a repeat of 1937 but much worse.

I am truly ready for an executive declaration the 14th amendment applies and the limit is void. By the time the courts sort that out it's all long over. (And I'm inexpertly confident the limit will not prevail in court) And congress will not have the votes to impeach.

285 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:05:53pm

re: #281 Gus 802

TPM Talking Points Memo
GOP now slowly drawing out vote on a post office naming bill as Boehner scrambles for votes. [Link: tpm.ly...]

Give them a break. If you're going to name a post office, you have to get it right.

286 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:05:59pm

re: #273 Naso Tang

What's he saying?

287 Lidane  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:06:13pm

re: #281 Gus 802

TPM Talking Points Memo
GOP now slowly drawing out vote on a post office naming bill as Boehner scrambles for votes. [Link: tpm.ly...]

One of my professors is currently slack-jawed on his Facebook page, since he's watching all this unfold. It's interesting to read his reactions.

288 makeitstop  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:07:20pm

re: #272 albusteve

I suspect the story is leaving some things out...who knows

Didn't see it - spill!

289 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:08:05pm

I never thought I would say this but the past few days I've been listening to/watching Al Sharptons show on MSNBC and I have to admit, he handles the tea-tards real well and really takes them all to task.

290 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:08:06pm

re: #281 Gus 802

TPM Talking Points Memo
GOP now slowly drawing out vote on a post office naming bill as Boehner scrambles for votes. [Link: tpm.ly...]

How much longer before he cries "Uncle!" and starts looking to make a real deal?

291 makeitstop  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:08:10pm

re: #288 makeitstop

Didn't see it - spill!

Oops, quoted the wrong post.

Meant for Naso Tang. What did Tweety say?

292 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:08:19pm

if the US defaults, I'm splitting to Jamaica and eat bananas for a living....this is all SO exciting I can hardly stand it

293 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:09:02pm

re: #292 albusteve

if the US defaults, I'm splitting to Jamaica and eat bananas for a living...this is all SO exciting I can hardly stand it

it's like watching a disaster movie in real life.

294 kirkspencer  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:09:10pm

re: #261 albusteve

the state should have stepped in to prevent such a high debt...in MI they used to just cop your paycheck

Ah, but he claimed he had no significant income, no regular paycheck, for a decade. That's why the filing, by the way, because despite never having even poverty limit for one incomes, he was able to loan his campaign $35,000.

295 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:09:28pm

re: #292 albusteve

if the US defaults, I'm splitting to Jamaica and eat bananas for a living...this is all SO exciting I can hardly stand it

and admit it, you're gonna go live at Hedonism II and smoke some good ganja.

//

296 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:09:43pm

re: #293 Dreggas

it's like watching a disaster movie in real life.

more like the Three Stooges

297 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:10:32pm

re: #294 kirkspencer

Ah, but he claimed he had no significant income, no regular paycheck, for a decade. That's why the filing, by the way, because despite never having even poverty limit for one incomes, he was able to loan his campaign $35,000.

yes, I read it

298 Kragar  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:10:40pm

re: #296 albusteve

more like the Three Stooges

The Three Stooges on the Titanic.

299 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:11:10pm

re: #298 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Three Stooges on driving the Titanic.

FTFY

300 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:11:28pm

re: #295 Dreggas

and admit it, you're gonna go live at Hedonism II and smoke some good ganja.

//

I wouldn't go near that dump...Negril is a pit

301 Lidane  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:11:37pm

re: #296 albusteve

more like the Three Stooges

Too highbrow.

Watching the House GOP is like watching the monkey cages at the zoo. Some of them are jerking off, some of them are flinging shit around, and the rest are just hoping that if they make enough noise, people will give them free food and then go away.

302 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:11:44pm

re: #294 kirkspencer

Now he has an income, he should pay up. Fair enough.

303 makeitstop  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:12:00pm

re: #294 kirkspencer

Ah, but he claimed he had no significant income, no regular paycheck, for a decade. That's why the filing, by the way, because despite never having even poverty limit for one incomes, he was able to loan his campaign $35,000.

...and take his shiny new GF on exotic vacations.

We used to call guys like him 'deadbeats.' Now we call them 'Congressman.'
/

304 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:12:16pm

re: #298 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Three Stooges on the Titanic.

Keystone Cops...

305 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:13:03pm

re: #304 Gus 802

Keystone Cops...

Yackity Sax....theme song for congress

306 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:14:18pm

Keep wondering why people would pay to go to the zoo when they can just go to Congress and see a three-ring circus for free.

307 kirkspencer  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:14:47pm

re: #302 ralphieboy

Now he has an income, he should pay up. Fair enough.

Not just pay, but pay interest. Ten years of back payments? Seriously?

sigh

308 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:15:12pm

re: #286 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

What's he saying?

He did his "last word", but the difference was that he went further than I've heard, lambasting not just the Tea Party and "hostage taking", but those who vote for them.

It will repeat this evening I'm sure.

309 celticdragon  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:15:16pm

The 6:15 vote on Boehners bill has been indefinitely postponed. He doesn't have the vote from his own party for his own bill. I think he is finished as speaker.

310 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:16:01pm

re: #250 Slumbering Behemoth

All boobs are giant, and filled with gravity defying helium. That's just science.

We're running out of helium!!!!

311 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:16:10pm

re: #292 albusteve

LoL.

312 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:16:17pm

re: #307 kirkspencer

Not just pay, but pay interest. Ten years of back payments? Seriously?

sigh

on MI it has to be paid....if it takes 50 years, you will pay it

313 justaminute  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:17:50pm

re: #271 Lidane

What the fuck does that even mean?

It means that the Republicans want to make the Democrats take something that they say they don't want to have some to point to. Like the President gave up so much in cutting the deficit with medicare and medicaid cuts. Something Repubs say they wanted and turned it down. Then Republicans come back with less deficit but with another stinky add on. They keep doing it over and over and getting far less every time.

314 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:17:51pm

re: #294 kirkspencer

Ah, but he claimed he had no significant income, no regular paycheck, for a decade. That's why the filing, by the way, because despite never having even poverty limit for one incomes, he was able to loan his campaign $35,000.

Tax deductible I presume.

315 celticdragon  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:18:21pm

re: #256 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They gave him the upper body of an Astartes on pencil legs.


Meh. Take the legs off...stick him in a dreadnought with a powerfist and an assault cannon and have done with it.

316 Four More Beers  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:18:53pm

re: #305 albusteve

Yackity Sax...theme song for congress

Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am...

317 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:19:04pm

re: #306 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Keep wondering why people would pay to go to the zoo when they can just go to Congress and see a three-ring circus for free.

Image: maxine-waters2-e1294102436431.jpeg
'Cause the animals are cute. DC denizens, well not so much.
//

318 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:19:20pm

re: #315 celticdragon

Meh. Take the legs off...stick him in a dreadnought with a powerfist and an assault cannon and have done with it.

I thought you were talking about Boehner for a moment.

Even if he did have a powerfist, I still don't think he could wrangle the votes.

The largest image the GOP is portraying is one of total incompetence.

319 makeitstop  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:20:23pm

The Onion continues to rock.

Republican presidential hopeful Michele Bachmann fired back Wednesday at critics who have said the Minnesota congresswoman's ability to lead the nation would be greatly hindered by her frequent, hours-long blackouts from which she invariably awakens covered in blood. "This is a complete nonissue—who among us hasn't gotten the occasional blinding headache only to wake up totally nude two days later in an abandoned church, covered from head to toe in someone else's blood and with absolutely no recollection of what happened in the intervening time?" said Bachmann, later adding that she is otherwise healthy and, in fact, is fairly certain she gets a significant amount of aerobic exercise during her prolonged fugue states.

That's good stuff, there.

320 celticdragon  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:22:03pm

re: #250 Slumbering Behemoth

All boobs are giant, and filled with gravity defying helium. That's just science.

More of that here...but seriously NSFW (or anywhere else, for that matter...)
Japanese animators are some serious freaks.

321 makeitstop  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:23:14pm

re: #320 celticdragon

More of that here...but seriously NSFW (or anywhere else, for that matter...)
Japanese animators are some serious freaks.

You got an extra '[Link: '...] in there - not that I was going to look or anything.
/

322 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:23:21pm

re: #309 celticdragon

The 6:15 vote on Boehners bill has been indefinitely postponed. He doesn't have the vote from his own party for his own bill. I think he is finished as speaker.

He is, pretty much. Reid's own bill is likely to pass in the Senate, which means if Boehner's bill fails to get passed, there's only one plan on the table. One that the White House is open to supporting.

The GOP's thoroughly fraked themselves.

323 Kragar  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:23:43pm

re: #315 celticdragon

Meh. Take the legs off...stick him in a dreadnought with a powerfist and an assault cannon and have done with it.

Assault drill and inferno cannons are more fun.

324 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:24:02pm

ah, the end of the US looms....break out the limp boners and gas filled tits....might as well go out in style....pass the bong

325 makeitstop  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:24:26pm

re: #322 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

He is, pretty much. Reid's own bill is likely to pass in the Senate, which means if Boehner's bill fails to get passed, there's only one plan on the table. One that the White House is open to supporting.

The GOP's thoroughly fraked themselves.

You'd think that they'd start to get tired of Obama taking their lunch money after a while.

326 celticdragon  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:24:28pm

re: #318 Obdicut

I thought you were talking about Boehner for a moment.

Even if he did have a powerfist, I still don't think he could wrangle the votes.

The largest image the GOP is portraying is one of total incompetence.

Boehner would be perfect as a minor Administratum functionary, mumbling litanies with a creepy votive skull following him around on his mindless duties filing reports from three thousand years in the past.

327 celticdragon  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:26:48pm

re: #321 makeitstop

You got an extra '[Link: '...] in there - not that I was going to look or anything.
/

Repaired hentai link. You are duly warned...

328 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:27:55pm

Lol, I see what the thread has become...
XD

329 celticdragon  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:28:02pm

re: #327 celticdragon

Repaired hentai link. You are duly warned...

Strange. Just google "Happy Hentai" and, ahem, let your fingers do the walking. Or something.

330 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:30:35pm

re: #291 makeitstop

Oops, quoted the wrong post.

Meant for Naso Tang. What did Tweety say?

Tweety?

I answered OC (what's the official abbreviation for her mouthful nick?) in brief. Catch it later.

331 Kragar  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:30:46pm

re: #328 Varek Raith

Lol, I see what the thread has become...
XD

I've seen enough hentai to know how this is going to end...

332 justaminute  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:30:46pm

Instead of the Bush sign that says "Miss me now?" maybe Nancy Pelosi should put up one.

333 jaunte  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:31:13pm

re: #163 Lidane

Personal responsibility, y'all!

Rep. Joe Walsh Defends Not Paying $117,000 In Child Support: ‘This Is Where Real America Is’

Walsh also rejected the congressional health insurance plan for his family on principle, much to the chagrin of his current wife, Helene, who had a preexisting condition and needed surgery while the couple was uninsured.


Not just a dick, but a dick who stands on principle.

334 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:32:41pm

re: #330 Naso Tang

Tweety?

I answered OC (what's the official abbreviation for her mouthful nick?) in brief. Catch it later.

OC/SP seems to be the consensus.

335 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:33:27pm

re: #334 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Nope. It's OhCrap. So mote it be.

336 makeitstop  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:33:31pm

re: #330 Naso Tang

Tweety?

I answered OC (what's the official abbreviation for her mouthful nick?) in brief. Catch it later.

'Tweety' - because his yellow hair reminds me of Tweety Bird.

Will catch it later. Thanks.

337 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:33:56pm

TPM Talking Points Memo
RT @brianbeutler Capitol police trying to clear hallway by Speaker's lobby. Reporters refusing. Officer calling in multiple units of backup.

338 dragonfire1981  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:34:01pm

I cannot believe it comes to this. Either we will default in a few days or Obama will use the 14th amendment and play right into the hands of the Right, who will demand his impeachment/assassination.

This is serious stuff folks. If a default occurs and the country falls into another recession we could see right wing violence that will make Oslo look like a small skirmish.

339 celticdragon  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:34:20pm

re: #331 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I've seen enough hentai to know how this is going to end...

It is some seriously freaky stuff. I had no idea for most of my life that any such thing was even out there.

340 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:35:08pm

DOW getting closer to 12,000 again. Thanks to the House GOP.

12,240.11
-62.44 (-0.51%)

341 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:36:32pm

re: #340 Gus 802

DOW getting closer to 12,000 again. Thanks to the House GOP.

12,240.11
-62.44 (-0.51%)

As noted above, the announcement that Boehner's bill was being postponed didn't come out until after the market closed. You can be sure that, if no bill passes tonight, things will get mighty interesting after the opening bell tomorrow.

342 jaunte  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:36:37pm

geeoharee tweets:

well, the economy imploded but we named the FUCK out of those post offices
343 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:37:20pm

re: #338 dragonfire1981

I cannot believe it comes to this. Either we will default in a few days or Obama will use the 14th amendment and play right into the hands of the Right, who will demand his impeachment/assassination.

This is serious stuff folks. If a default occurs and the country falls into another recession we could see right wing violence that will make Oslo look like a small skirmish.


I've doubled my Xanax

344 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:37:23pm

re: #342 jaunte

Priorities.

345 celticdragon  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:37:54pm

re: #338 dragonfire1981

I cannot believe it comes to this. Either we will default in a few days or Obama will use the 14th amendment and play right into the hands of the Right, who will demand his impeachment/assassination.

This is serious stuff folks. If a default occurs and the country falls into another recession we could see right wing violence that will make Oslo look like a small skirmish.

It is all too easy to write the 2nd Amendment solution types at Free Republic as internet blowhards...until one of those internet blowhards kills 6 dozen people. Yeah, I think we could see something go really bad.

346 makeitstop  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:38:22pm

re: #338 dragonfire1981

I cannot believe it comes to this. Either we will default in a few days or Obama will use the 14th amendment and play right into the hands of the Right, who will demand his impeachment/assassination.

Obama would not only survive an impeachment trial, it would guarantee a landslide re-election the likes of which we haven't seen since that Mondale fella got his butt handed to him.

I'm starting to side with Lidane here - the last thing House Republicans want is to be in the chamber going up against Obama in real time on national TV. It would take them a couple of years to get the egg off their miserable faces.

347 justaminute  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:38:25pm

re: #340 Gus 802

DOW getting closer to 12,000 again. Thanks to the House GOP.

12,240.11
-62.44 (-0.51%)

I was scared of that when our financial adviser had all of his clients to a dinner meeting and said maybe future investments were better outside the market at this time.

348 William of Orange  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:38:36pm

You might think we've all forgotten now that there's an eavesdropping scandal going on in the UK? Well guess what. Here comes the next chapter.

The mother of murder victim Sarah Payne has been told she may have been the victim of phone hacking, her charity has said.

Police told Sara Payne her details were in notes compiled by private detective Glenn Mulcaire, who was used by the News of the World, which championed her Sarah's Law child protection campaign.

The Phoenix Chief Advocates charity says Ms Payne is "devastated".

The paper's owner News International said it was "deeply concerned".

According to a report in the Guardian, the evidence uncovered by police in Mulcaire's notes is believed to relate to a phone given to Ms Payne by the NoW's then-editor Rebekah Brooks "as a gift to help her stay in touch with her supporters".
The BBC has not been able to confirm whether the evidence does relate to this particular mobile.

But Mrs Brooks, who left her role as News International chief executive in the wake of the hacking scandal but denies having had any knowledge of the practice while at the paper, says the phone "was not a personal gift".

In a statement, she said: "These allegations are abhorrent and particularly upsetting as Sara Payne is a dear friend.

"For the benefit of the campaign for Sarah's Law, the News of the World have provided Sara with a mobile telephone for the last 11 years...

"The idea that anyone on the newspaper knew that Sara or the campaign team were targeted by Mr Mulcaire is unthinkable. The idea of her being targeted is beyond my comprehension.

"It is imperative for Sara and the other victims of crime that these allegations are investigated and those culpable brought to justice."

A source close to Mrs Brooks says she believes the voicemail system on the phone provided by the NoW was not activated until 18 months ago.

In such circumstances, it would be difficult for prosecutors to prove that any voicemail interception took place.

The Metropolitan Police's Operation Weeting is investigating claims of phone hacking at the paper, which was shut down earlier this month after it emerged that the phone of murder victim Milly Dowler may have been hacked.

Still not certain where the domino's stop falling....

349 William of Orange  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:39:24pm

Forgot to mention the source of that article. It's the website of the BBC.

350 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:39:36pm

re: #346 makeitstop

Obama would not only survive an impeachment trial, it would guarantee a landslide re-election the likes of which we haven't seen since that Mondale fella got his butt handed to him.

I'm starting to side with Lidane here - the last thing House Republicans want is to be in the chamber going up against Obama in real time on national TV. It would take them a couple of years to get the egg off their miserable faces.

kinda like when the vote for their pay raises at 2am....nothing new

351 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:39:42pm

re: #335 Obdicut

Nope. It's OhCrap. So mote it be.

OC/SP, OhCrap, OCIHACOSP, those all work for me.

352 makeitstop  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:40:43pm

re: #351 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

OC/SP, OhCrap, OCIHACOSP, those all work for me.

I'll go with OC, just to be contrary. :)

353 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:41:52pm

re: #352 makeitstop

I'll go with OC, just to be contrary. :)

Ha, that one, too.

354 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:42:30pm

re: #347 justaminute

I was scared of that when our financial adviser had all of his clients to a dinner meeting and said maybe future investments were better outside the market at this time.

if they all bought a few pounds of gold in 2008, they'd have made a handsome profit

355 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:43:20pm

re: #351 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I'm just gonna call you "Sarah Palin" from now on. :P

356 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:43:24pm

re: #335 Obdicut

Nope. It's OhCrap. So mote it be.

I wanted to say that, but I'm in a good mood for the moment. Guinness.

357 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:45:13pm

re: #350 albusteve

kinda like when the vote for their pay raises at 2am...nothing new

The default part is what's new. I do think you might be right, though - I just don't see WS fretting over this, although Monday morning could bring a new story on that.

358 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:45:15pm

re: #343 albusteve

I've doubled my Xanax

Two doctors, huh?

359 aagcobb  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:45:40pm

If the TPGOP won't even pass their own Speaker's bill, there will be no doubt where the blame will fall if the debt limit isn't increased in time, or who will get the credit if it is.

360 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:46:06pm

re: #348 William of Orange

You might think we've all forgotten now that there's an eavesdropping scandal going on in the UK? Well guess what. Here comes the next chapter.

Still not certain where the domino's stop falling...

I wonder what the effect of that has been on the coverage of the victims in Norway. We haven't heard a lot, and it's probably not just the language barrier.

361 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:46:35pm

re: #354 albusteve

if they all bought a few pounds of gold in 2008, they'd have made a handsome profit

My wife still has it all, from the 70's and 80's.

362 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:46:44pm

re: #355 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm just gonna call you "Sarah Palin" from now on. :P

Ha, well I don't think she'd like that very much.

363 justaminute  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:47:35pm

re: #354 albusteve

if they all bought a few pounds of gold in 2008, they'd have made a handsome profit

There is a stock I believe you can own that tracts the gold market without having to buy and hold the physical stuff.

364 makeitstop  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:47:54pm

re: #362 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Ha, well I don't think she'd like that very much.

I'd sure get a chuckle out of it, though.

365 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:47:55pm

re: #362 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Ha, well I don't think she'd like that very much.

What about you?

366 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:48:13pm

re: #357 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

The default part is what's new. I do think you might be right, though - I just don't see WS fretting over this, although Monday morning could bring a new story on that.

something tells me Wall Street knows things not privy to the public....there is a very large and complex game being played, and the result will be via the House but may not originate there....I'm not worried in the least yet

367 jaunte  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:48:33pm

Moody's Puts Local Bonds in Texas Under Review


Nine Texas government borrowers including Dallas, Bexar, Tarrant and Travis Counties could face costly downgrades in their bond ratings if the federal government doesn't quickly resolve its debt ceiling problems.

Moody's Investor Service put a total of 177 public finance issuers "under review for possible downgrade" Thursday in anticipation of what might happen with the federal government.

368 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:49:18pm

re: #366 albusteve

something tells me Wall Street knows things not privy to the public...there is a very large and complex game being played, and the result will be via the House but may not originate there...I'm not worried in the least yet

You can't help but allude to intelligence when none is in evidence, can you?

369 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:49:43pm

@Gus_802 Gus
Just think. The GOP is doing all of this just so the super rich can keep buying foreign made luxury items with their Bush tax cuts. #LGF

370 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:49:56pm

re: #361 Naso Tang

My wife still has it all, from the 70's and 80's.

I collected gold since 1971...then got my older sister into it....needless to say we are fat right now after dumping 3/4 of our stuff

371 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:50:17pm

re: #365 Naso Tang

What about you?

Fine by me. It's all in fun.

372 kirkspencer  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:51:05pm

re: #351 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

OC/SP, OhCrap, OCIHACOSP, those all work for me.

Been using OC[etc], figure everyone'll know. (Till some sock gets on and uses it, of course.)

373 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:51:19pm

re: #366 albusteve

something tells me Wall Street knows things not privy to the public...there is a very large and complex game being played, and the result will be via the House but may not originate there...I'm not worried in the least yet

Yeah, anything they say is bound to cause some kind of "run", which is the last thing we need.

374 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:52:12pm

re: #363 justaminute

There is a stock I believe you can own that tracts the gold market without having to buy and hold the physical stuff.

paper gold...I like the real thing...there is something about holding a bright shiny Krugerrand...uncirculated, unused

375 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:53:08pm

re: #368 Naso Tang

You can't help but allude to intelligence when none is in evidence, can you?

not sure what you mean

376 darthstar  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:53:25pm

re: #374 albusteve

paper gold...I like the real thing...there is something about holding a bright shiny Krugerrand...uncirculated, unused

You could buy a lot of blood diamonds with one of those.

377 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:53:30pm

re: #362 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Oh, but didn't you know? We are all Sarah Palin now.

378 makeitstop  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:54:04pm

I'm reading on other blogs that even after Boehner went to the trouble of laying out the specifics of his bill with Limbaugh (even before showing it to his caucus), Limbaugh has now decided that there just aren't enough tax cuts in the bill and does not support it.

Orange Dude ain't gettin' no love from nobody about now.

379 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:55:11pm

re: #376 darthstar

You could buy a lot of blood diamonds with one of those.

never owned a diamond...never will
DeBeers and the brokers absolutely control their value....diamonds are a scam

380 calochortus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:55:18pm

Hmmm, according to someone from the Weekly Standard on Fox News the House not voting on the Boehner plan is a failure for Obama. He didn't explain the logic behind this.

381 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:55:40pm

re: #379 albusteve

never owned a diamond...never will
DeBeers and the brokers absolutely control their value...diamonds are a scam

Super compressed pieces of charcoal.

382 darthstar  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:56:29pm

re: #381 Varek Raith

Super compressed pieces of charcoal.

Except when you drop a piece of charcoal on the floor you don't shout, "Oh fuck! Nobody move!"

383 makeitstop  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:57:13pm

re: #380 calochortus

Hmmm, according to someone from the Weekly Standard on Fox News the House not voting on the Boehner plan is a failure for Obama. He didn't explain the logic behind this.

We're about to see the art of spin raised to a new level. So much Republican fail, and so few Republicans even willing to acknowledge it.

384 darthstar  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:57:50pm

re: #379 albusteve

never owned a diamond...never will
DeBeers and the brokers absolutely control their value...diamonds are a scam


It's also the most corrupt exchange going.

385 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:57:59pm

re: #381 Varek Raith

Super compressed pieces of charcoal.

I hear they're made by Cameron Frye.

386 calochortus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:58:04pm

re: #383 makeitstop

We're about to see the art of spin raised to a new level. So much Republican fail, and so few Republicans even willing to acknowledge it.

And considering the level of spin we're enjoying now, that is saying a lot.

387 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:58:10pm

re: #381 Varek Raith

Super compressed pieces of charcoal.

other jemstones are pretty cool tho....if I had the money I'd own a nice example of all of them....I've owned emeralds, but they were not high enough quality to make a big profit....that stuff gets really expensive fast

388 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:59:26pm

re: #384 darthstar

It's also the most corrupt exchange going.

yeah, I have a conscience, believe it or not

389 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:59:40pm

re: #380 calochortus

Hmmm, according to someone from the Weekly Standard on Fox News the House not voting on the Boehner plan is a failure for Obama. He didn't explain the logic behind this.

Boehner's been in retreat for weeks, dropping plan after plan, and now his inability to get his own party members to vote on his last ditch effort will likely spell the end of it all...and it's Obama's fault?

Words fail me...

390 Spocomptonite  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 3:59:44pm

re: #341 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

As noted above, the announcement that Boehner's bill was being postponed didn't come out until after the market closed. You can be sure that, if no bill passes tonight, things will get mighty interesting after the opening bell tomorrow.

Or even in after hours trading. Heck, it'll probably spill out into the Asian/European markets, too. All before our opening bell even rings tomorrow.

391 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:00:31pm

re: #390 Spocomptonite

Or even in after hours trading. Heck, it'll probably spill out into the Asian/European markets, too. All before our opening bell even rings tomorrow.

Yep. And if they go into crisis mode, then the response in our own market will be amplified. Look out below!

392 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:00:41pm

re: #383 makeitstop

We're about to see the art of spin raised to a new level. So much Republican fail, and so few Republicans even willing to acknowledge it.

The most absurd aspect is that the Teabaggers think the GOP is doing this for them. Unbelievable but that's been an old tradition. Working class Republican voters voting for Republicans who in effect vote against their own self interest.

393 compound idaho  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:00:57pm

Treasury auction smooth despite default fear

(AFP) – 1 hour ago

WASHINGTON — A US Treasury auction of $29 billion in new debt went off smoothly Thursday despite the deadlocked battle over raising the country's debt ceiling to avoid a potentially disastrous default.

The sale of seven-year notes saw fairly strong demand and they sold carrying an interest rate of 2.250 percent, better for the government than previous seven-year bond auctions in June and May, which both carried rates of 2.375 percent.

The auction underscored the lack of any visible panic so far among buyers of US Treasuries as the August 2 deadline for raising the debt cap nears.

[Link: www.google.com...]

Interest rates still dropping. Either the markets think this will all be worked in the next couple of days or it doesn't really matter what they do. I think I am going with it doesn't really matter all that much what they do.

394 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:01:03pm

re: #389 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Boehner's been in retreat for weeks, dropping plan after plan, and now his inability to get his own party members to vote on his last ditch effort will likely spell the end of it all...and it's Obama's fault?

Words fail me...

who said it's BO's fault?....where does this tripe come from?

395 calochortus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:01:55pm

I've heard some speculation that the whole default/brinksmanship thing endgame is the destruction of social security and Medicare, without having to try to pass the Ryan plan.

396 makeitstop  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:02:16pm

re: #394 albusteve

who said it's BO's fault?...where does this tripe come from?

Some shill from the Wall Street Journal appearing on Fox.

I wouldn't have expected said shill to say anything different.

397 justaminute  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:02:23pm

I feel sorry for Boehner. I may not be a member of his party but I have sympathy for someone trying to preside over the house at this time. And I also feel sorry for all of us having to live with their craziness.

398 Spocomptonite  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:03:08pm

re: #391 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yep. And if they go into crisis mode, then the response in our own market will be amplified. Look out below!

Just what the semi-recovering finance industry needs... all their treasury bonds to lose value and miss an interest payment. Is 'double-plunge' an economic term?

399 calochortus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:03:16pm

re: #394 albusteve

who said it's BO's fault?...where does this tripe come from?

Well, in this case it came from someone at the Weekly Standard whose name was not familiar to me, and it was being offered to the viewers of Fox. Said viewers could benefit from a course in logic and rhetoric.

400 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:03:33pm

re: #393 compound idaho

The market for US treasuries isn't going to go away. The ratings shouldn't really, be lowered, even if we do default. There's no actual question to our ability to raise money, just the political will to do so.

However, this stupid little technicality can keep the US from selling those treasuries.

Way to interfere with the working of the market, GOP. You're taking one of the most highly sought after financial instruments in the world off the market.
Good fucking job.

401 calochortus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:04:43pm

re: #400 Obdicut

Fortunately for us, apparently the Europeans are doing an even worse job, so American debt still looks good in comparison.

402 justaminute  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:06:01pm

re: #400 Obdicut

The market for US treasuries isn't going to go away. The ratings shouldn't really, be lowered, even if we do default. There's no actual question to our ability to raise money, just the political will to do so.

However, this stupid little technicality can keep the US from selling those treasuries.

Way to interfere with the working of the market, GOP. You're taking one of the most highly sought after financial instruments in the world off the market.
Good fucking job.

I don't think the market is going away either but how much interest they pay on the bonds. Probably it is to late. Higher interest rates are in our future.

403 Gepetto  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:08:06pm

re: #389 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

why should anyone take a politically risky position and vote on this if the bill is already dead in the senate?

404 kirkspencer  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:08:27pm

re: #363 justaminute

There is a stock I believe you can own that tracts the gold market without having to buy and hold the physical stuff.

I wouldn't buy now unless you're willing to watch carefully. PMs, and especially gold and silver, are in a bubble. Peak should be 2200-2300 barring a panic push. That would push a steeper climb to a higher level, but the bursting would be just as significant. Note this means if you sell at or near peak you should make ~40%, but you're risking missing it and selling on the way down for a lot less.

In some ways gold is like diamonds. Small market with some large holders pushing the price with myth more than underlying value. Gold's production price is 200 to 300 and industrial demand is low. Silver's production price is 5-10, but there is a fairly high industrial demand. well, not at current prices, but a greater percentage of production than there is for gold.

405 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:08:27pm

re: #400 Obdicut

The market for US treasuries isn't going to go away. The ratings shouldn't really, be lowered, even if we do default. There's no actual question to our ability to raise money, just the political will to do so.

However, this stupid little technicality can keep the US from selling those treasuries.

Way to interfere with the working of the market, GOP. You're taking one of the most highly sought after financial instruments in the world off the market.
Good fucking job.

But the GOP is doing this for the people! They have their hearts with the American people and the working man. The key point here being that the GOP is trying to keep spending and taxes low for the average working man.

//

406 Spocomptonite  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:09:11pm

re: #393 compound idaho

Treasury auction smooth despite default fear

(AFP) – 1 hour ago

WASHINGTON — A US Treasury auction of $29 billion in new debt went off smoothly Thursday despite the deadlocked battle over raising the country's debt ceiling to avoid a potentially disastrous default.

The sale of seven-year notes saw fairly strong demand and they sold carrying an interest rate of 2.250 percent, better for the government than previous seven-year bond auctions in June and May, which both carried rates of 2.375 percent.

The auction underscored the lack of any visible panic so far among buyers of US Treasuries as the August 2 deadline for raising the debt cap nears.

[Link: www.google.com...]

Either the markets think this will all be worked in the next couple of days or it doesn't really matter what they do. I think I am going with it doesn't really matter all that much what they do.

Or option 3: they think that when this does eventually get worked out, the resulting economy will be so bad that 2 3/8 % interest will be the windiest of falls one could ever hope to have.

Bonds are easy to sell when the economic sucks, or when the market thinks its about to really suck.

407 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:10:38pm

re: #403 Gepetto

why should anyone take a politically risky position and vote on this if the bill is already dead in the senate?

it fills the allotted time slot

408 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:11:38pm

The Tea Party are a bunch of Hobbits with bizzaro goals.

:)

409 SteelGHAZI  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:12:58pm

re: #408 Gus 802

The Tea Party are a bunch of Hobbits with bizzaro goals.

:)

McCain, you get back in your cage! *gets a broom*

///

410 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:13:09pm

Wall Street Journal Denounces the “Tea Party Hobbits”

The idea seems to be that if the House GOP refuses to raise the debt ceiling, a default crisis or gradual government shutdown will ensue, and the public will turn en masse against . . . Barack Obama. The Republican House that failed to raise the debt ceiling would somehow escape all blame. Then Democrats would have no choice but to pass a balanced-budget amendment and reform entitlements, and the tea-party Hobbits could return to Middle Earth having defeated Mordor.

This is the kind of crack political thinking that turned Sharron Angle and Christine O’Donnell into GOP Senate nominees. The reality is that the debt limit will be raised one way or another, and the only issue now is with how much fiscal reform and what political fallout.

WSJ no less.

411 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:14:02pm

re: #403 Gepetto

why should anyone take a politically risky position and vote on this if the bill is already dead in the senate?

Because it helps the narrative. Reid's got his own plan, which is likely to pass through the Senate, barring a filibuster by any Teapublicans there. If Boehner fails to get his own passed, then there's only one plan on the table, one that the White House has said will be signed.

412 Spocomptonite  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:14:44pm

re: #410 Gus 802

Wall Street Journal Denounces the “Tea Party Hobbits”

WSJ no less.

Hobbits? Wow, that is at once both hilarious and astonishing coming from the WSJ.

413 calochortus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:15:37pm

re: #412 Spocomptonite

Its all so much less fun when the Tea Party begins to threaten your readers' profits.

414 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:15:44pm

the peasants are revolting!

415 darthstar  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:16:38pm

What do you get when you put three blondes in a Bentley and send them driving through Monte Carlo (I've driven there...it's not that difficult)?

A million dollar fender-bender.
Image: Monaco-pile-up_062103.jpg

416 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:16:38pm

re: #410 Gus 802

The corporations that have bankrolled Norquist and all of the stupid right-wing think tanks and front organizations that helped astroturf the Tea Party must be feeling like really stupid fuckers right now.

417 Spocomptonite  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:17:19pm

re: #414 albusteve

the peasants are revolting!


Hey, don't judge on appearances. ///

418 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:17:31pm

re: #412 Spocomptonite

Hobbits? Wow, that is at once both hilarious and astonishing coming from the WSJ.

Yeah. It is. Although the whole editorial won't make a lot of people happy.

419 darthstar  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:18:06pm

re: #414 albusteve

the peasants are revolting!

until the third beer.

420 SteelGHAZI  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:18:11pm

re: #414 albusteve

the peasants are revolting!

Help! Help! I'm being repressed!

421 Digital Display  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:18:24pm

As your President ( If you would have elected me )
I would put forth the Hoopster's 3 year plan..
1. Over 3 years I would decrease Gov't spending by 10%
2. I would raise corporate taxes by 10% ( If the company did not leave America..At the end of 3 years each Company gets a 15% discount for 3 years )
3. If you make over 1 million dollars your taxes go up by 5% for 3 years..After 3 years your taxes go down by 10%
4. I would make sure a law was passed that allows the richest nation in the world to borrow whatever money we need.. ( Hey if you don't like it you can vote the bums out )
Vote for me!

422 darthstar  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:18:37pm

re: #420 SteelPH

Help! Help! I'm being repressed!

What are you, an extra virgin olive?

423 SteelGHAZI  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:19:47pm

re: #422 darthstar

Probably.

424 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:19:48pm

re: #420 SteelPH

Help! Help! I'm being repressed!

Come see the violence inherent in the system!

425 justaminute  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:22:30pm

re: #404 kirkspencer

I wouldn't buy now unless you're willing to watch carefully. PMs, and especially gold and silver, are in a bubble. Peak should be 2200-2300 barring a panic push. That would push a steeper climb to a higher level, but the bursting would be just as significant. Note this means if you sell at or near peak you should make ~40%, but you're risking missing it and selling on the way down for a lot less.

In some ways gold is like diamonds. Small market with some large holders pushing the price with myth more than underlying value. Gold's production price is 200 to 300 and industrial demand is low. Silver's production price is 5-10, but there is a fairly high industrial demand. well, not at current prices, but a greater percentage of production than there is for gold.

I'm not interested in gold, I was just mentioning this to Albsteve. I'm busy buying another rental house. At this time, I'm just planning for my retirement. We are in partial retirement now. We have a financial plan with input of an adviser. At the present time we are going to maintain ownership of the restaurant but in 5 years going with a supervised managers, 3 rental properties, and an annuity fund that we can withdraw from.

426 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:22:44pm

re: #424 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Come see the violence inherent in the system!

...

Next time we come armed!

The tree of liberty...

427 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:24:07pm

Mozart, currently being played on a trumpet by a 1st year student. I really ought to record it and post it so you can all share in the joy.

428 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:25:20pm

re: #425 justaminute

I'm not interested in gold, I was just mentioning this to Albsteve. I'm busy buying another rental house. At this time, I'm just planning for my retirement. We are in partial retirement now. We have a financial plan with input of an adviser. At the present time we are going to maintain ownership of the restaurant but in 5 years going with a supervised managers, 3 rental properties, and an annuity fund that we can withdraw from.

smart moves...too late to invest in gold now anyway, for me it was a long range deal, but my how time flies!....good luck

429 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:26:31pm

re: #410 Gus 802

Wall Street Journal Denounces the “Tea Party Hobbits”

WSJ no less.

So I guess they'll be stoning Rick Santelli in front of the bronze WS bull.

430 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:28:06pm

re: #421 HoosierHoops

As your President ( If you would have elected me )
I would put forth the Hoopster's 3 year plan..
1. Over 3 years I would decrease Gov't spending by 10%
2. I would raise corporate taxes by 10% ( If the company did not leave America..At the end of 3 years each Company gets a 15% discount for 3 years )
3. If you make over 1 million dollars your taxes go up by 5% for 3 years..After 3 years your taxes go down by 10%
4. I would make sure a law was passed that allows the richest nation in the world to borrow whatever money we need.. ( Hey if you don't like it you can vote the bums out )
Vote for me!

How about a new car.

I have an idea. If an "American" company has less than 90 percent employees from the USA they should be considered a foreign entity.

431 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:28:50pm

re: #385 Slumbering Behemoth

I hear they're made by Cameron Frye.

Upding for the Ferris Bueller reference ;-P

432 Digital Display  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:30:07pm

re: #428 albusteve

smart moves...too late to invest in gold now anyway, for me it was a long range deal, but my how time flies!...good luck

I've never invested...I have missed the gains and loses..
Since I was young and making 3 dollars an hour.. I have put 10% of my paycheck into a savings account...Old school I guess..My dad lost a shit load of money when i was young in the stock market

433 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:32:49pm

re: #432 HoosierHoops

I've never invested...I have missed the gains and loses..
Since I was young and making 3 dollars an hour.. I have put 10% of my paycheck into a savings account...Old school I guess..My dad lost a shit load of money when i was young in the stock market

my nephew started a savings account from selling golf balls he retrieved....he has a ton of money in it after 30some years....a ferocious saver

434 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:33:29pm

I haz hot. Feel like I'm at the dry cleaners.

435 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:35:12pm

re: #434 Gus 802

I haz hot. Feel like I'm at the dry cleaners.

I closed up and put the cooler on...I can only take so much in my feeble condition....one thing about it tho, my right foot never gets too warm

436 Spocomptonite  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:35:15pm

re: #421 HoosierHoops

And as your president, if I were voted in, I would put forth the Generation plan:
1. Decrease spending over a long period of time in the Department of Defense, with more limited enlistment shrinking the size of the Armed Forces, as opposed to immediate cuts where people lose their jobs or worse, their equipment.
2. Increase taxes gradually over a 10 year period, with more brackets and a top bracket of 50% for those who make millions in personal income. Or more, if long term debt-management analysis comes back that debts/revenue are unstable even at that level.
3. Change capital gains taxes so that taxes are virtually nil for low volume traders, and par with income taxes for those moving millions in personal wealth. Encourage investment for everyone instead of just the rich.
3. Propose audacious projects like building a passenger train network with its own track (ever ridden amtrak in freight-heavy routes?). One, it creates jobs, and two, it's something we can be proud of, and three, they're dead useful
4. Fund education like wow. DoE is gonna be blinging with me in office. A real investment in our future.
5. Massive bond sales during depressions, massive buy-backs when it turns around again and all that investment in infrastructure comes back to pay for itself in revenue.
5. NO STUPID DEBT CEILING debates. It gets passed, now shut up.

437 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:36:38pm

re: #436 Spocomptonite

I would:

1. Spend shitloads of money on alternative energy research and production, as well as other sustainable technologies. A shitton. Like, New Deal mated with the Manhattan Project size.

Result: United States is the strongest economy in the new Energy Age.

Yay.

438 Gus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:37:02pm

BBL

439 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:37:31pm

Why do we even have a debt ceiling? To control spending?

440 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:38:09pm

re: #439 EmmmieG

Why do we even have a debt ceiling? To control spending?

Nope.

It literally serves no purpose except to create a crisis like this.

441 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:38:10pm

After watching TV while eating dinner I have come to realize the phrase I hate the most and the connotations they add with it:

"On the table"

442 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:38:54pm

re: #439 EmmmieG

Why do we even have a debt ceiling? To control spending?

I think it's to rein in uncontrolled liberals

443 Spocomptonite  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:39:26pm

re: #437 Obdicut

I would:

1. Spend shitloads of money on alternative energy research and production, as well as other sustainable technologies. A shitton. Like, New Deal mated with the Manhattan Project size.

Result: United States is the strongest economy in the new Energy Age.

Yay.

You get to be the audacious project czar of my administration. Here, have $40-80 billion a year.

444 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:39:32pm

re: #442 albusteve

I think it's to rein in uncontrolled liberals

So what does it do under Republican presidents?

445 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:39:58pm

re: #444 EmmmieG

So what does it do under Republican presidents?

it goes up

446 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:40:21pm

re: #439 EmmmieG

Why do we even have a debt ceiling? To control spending?

I believe we didn't a few decades ago. Budgets had to take it into account and authorize any borrowing in the budget. Republicans brought it back.

447 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:42:27pm

re: #443 Spocomptonite

You get to be the audacious project czar of my administration. Here, have $40-80 billion a year.

First request: I need about ten times that amount, please.

448 calochortus  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:45:24pm

re: #446 Naso Tang

Actually we've had a debt ceiling since 1917 with modifications to the law around 1940. I was surprised to learn this.

449 kirkspencer  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:46:08pm

re: #439 EmmmieG

Why do we even have a debt ceiling? To control spending?

Created in WWI. Prior to that, congress micromanaged the issue of all debt instruments. Subsequent, they started passing part of the authority to treasury, but kept partial control by limiting the aggregate total. No more "$nn of bond X, $mm of bond Y", but "bonds on the aggregate total of $zz"

So bottom line is it was to claim they hadn't really surrendered their constitutional duty to control the purse to the Treasury.

450 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:47:27pm

this debt gig is so mickey mouse....I'm ready for something juicy, like impeachment hearings....posts will skyrocket again

451 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:47:58pm

re: #448 calochortus

Actually we've had a debt ceiling since 1917 with modifications to the law around 1940. I was surprised to learn this.

I was going by something I had heard; perhaps wrong, although the devil may be in the procedural details.

452 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:48:24pm

re: #450 albusteve

this debt gig is so mickey mouse...I'm ready for something juicy, like impeachment hearings...posts will skyrocket again

You're willing to destroy the country for a good thread?

It better be really good.

453 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:49:08pm

re: #452 wrenchwench

You're willing to destroy the country for a good thread?

It better be really good.

Steve lives in the shadow country.

454 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:49:29pm

re: #410 Gus 802

such an insult to hobbits! Hobbits are hippies!

455 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:51:34pm

re: #452 wrenchwench

You're willing to destroy the country for a good thread?

It better be really good.

The ghost of Hitler shows up in congress riding a skateboard shaped like a swastika and declares himself the Emperor Pharoah of the Whig Party, gets half the Tea Party vote because he promised to cut taxes on grits and Ford F150s

that'd make an ok thread

456 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:53:57pm

re: #455 WindUpBird

The ghost of Hitler shows up in congress riding a skateboard shaped like a swastika and declares himself the Emperor Pharoah of the Whig Party, gets half the Tea Party vote because he promised to cut taxes on grits and Ford F150s

that'd make an ok thread

Well, I would like a Ford F-150 ...

457 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:55:08pm

re: #453 Naso Tang

Steve lives in the shadow country.

no, I just live outside the hysteria and hyperbole...but feel free to bite your nails and pray for deliverance

458 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:55:49pm

re: #454 WindUpBird

such an insult to hobbits! Hobbits are hippies!

No, Hobbits actually work, take baths...
:P

459 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:56:32pm

re: #457 albusteve

no, I just live outside the hysteria and hyperbole...but feel free to bite your nails and pray for deliverance

Except when it comes to the border and immigration, of course. Then you live at the corner of hysteria and hyperbole.

460 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 4:58:06pm

re: #459 Obdicut

Except when it comes to the border and immigration, of course. Then you live at the corner of hysteria and hyperbole.

no I don't, of course...your make stuff up abilities seems to be diminished somewhat tho

461 jvic  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 5:12:53pm

re: #292 albusteve

if the US defaults, I'm splitting to Jamaica and eat bananas for a living...this is all SO exciting I can hardly stand it

Why go to Jamaica? If we default, you'll have a banana republic right here.

...A banana republic with nukes. Okay, head for Jamaica.

462 albusteve  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 5:14:00pm

re: #461 jvic

Why go to Jamaica? If we default, you'll have a banana republic right here.

...A banana republic with nukes. Okay, head for Jamaica.

but down there, they are my bananas

463 Spocomptonite  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 5:19:12pm

re: #447 Obdicut

First request: I need about ten times that amount, please.

I would be happy to give it to you, but I can't just give you the entire DoD budget out of nowhere overnight. Maybe in ten years, and if the president after me isn't myopic and takes my recommendation to keep you on.

464 Lidane  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 5:19:25pm

re: #367 jaunte

Moody's Puts Local Bonds in Texas Under Review

Lovely.

BTW, for those folks outside of Texas, these are the county seats for the counties mentioned:

Dallas County -- Dallas
Bexar County -- San Antonio
Tarrant County-- Fort Worth
Travis County -- Austin

If those bonds are all downgraded, this won't be a minor issue.

465 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 5:32:08pm

In otherwords, he can't control the mass of Tea Partiers that got in this year.

466 dch84  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 5:36:03pm

#invokethe14th

467 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 5:38:35pm

re: #466 dch84

#invokethe14th

I guess "hashtag pimp" is more accurate.

468 dch84  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 6:16:53pm

re: #467 wrenchwench

You make me sad. Same team.

469 dch84  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 7:00:28pm

re: #464 Lidane

Ugh.... As an ATXer, I shudder to think what will happen to my loans. Not to mention local prices. You don't even know how badly we want Perry to run. Nothing kills a governor's approval faster than a failed presidential campaign.

470 Lidane  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 7:37:09pm

re: #469 dch84

Ugh... As an ATXer, I shudder to think what will happen to my loans. Not to mention local prices. You don't even know how badly we want Perry to run. Nothing kills a governor's approval faster than a failed presidential campaign.

I'm in Austin. I want him to run just because losing will FINALLY get him the hell out of the governor's mansion. =P

471 jvic  Thu, Jul 28, 2011 8:01:26pm

re: #378 makeitstop

I'm reading on other blogs that even after Boehner went to the trouble of laying out the specifics of his bill with Limbaugh (even before showing it to his caucus), Limbaugh has now decided that there just aren't enough tax cuts in the bill and does not support it.

Just when it looks the chaos can't get worse, Palin jumps in. She demagogues and threatens to primary Republicans who don't vote her way. She speaks from the consummate wisdom acquired from her half-term as a small-state governor (and from God, of course).

They don't call it the Stupid Party for no reason. The Tea Party freshmen may learn that primarying incumbents can work two ways. Not that that would make any difference to GOP fortunes in 2012.

472 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 8:10:23am

re: #468 dch84

You make me sad. Same team.

How am I supposed to know that? You show up and push a hashtag and a single-issue website. I don't know what you think.

Oh, look. You made a comment that has nothing to do with your hashtag, and doesn't even have your website linked in your nic. I guess I'll give you a chance.

Welcome, hatchling.


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