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Pamela Geller Edits Post to Conceal Violent Rhetoric in ‘Email from Norway’

Ineptly hiding the evidence of incitement
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In June 2007, “counter-jihad” blogger Pamela Geller posted the following Email from Norway, from a reader who sounds a lot like the Oslo terrorist, Anders Behring Breivik.

This is what the post looks like today:

I am running an email I received from an Atlas reader in Norway. It is devastating in its matter-of-factness.

Well, yes, the situation is worsening. Stepping up from 29 000 immigrants every year, in 2007 we will be getting a total of 35 000 immigrants from somalia, iran, iraq and afghanistan. The nations capital is already 50% muslim, and they ALL go there after entering Norway. Adding the 1.2 births per woman per year from muslim women, there will be 300 000+ muslims out of the then 480 000 inhabitants of that city.

Orders from Libya and Iran say that Oslo will be known as Medina at the latest in 2010, although I consider this a PR-stunt nevertheless it is their plan.

From Israel the hordes clawing at the walls of Jerusalem proclaim cheerfully that next year there will be no more Israel, and I know Israel shrugs this off as do I, and will mount a strike during the summer against all of its enemies in the middle east. This will make the muslims worldwide go into a frenzy, attacking everyone around them.

Before, I thought about emigrating to Britain, Israel, USA, South Africa, etc. for taxes and politics, but instead (although I believe we are the very last generation on earth before the return of God) I will stay and fight for the right to this country and indeed the entire peninsula, for the God-fearing people, just in case this isn’t the end of the world after all. Doesn’t hurt to have a backup plan.

It’s far from impossible to achieve, after all my people has done it every time before, in feats that match the ancient greek, hebrew and british “legends”.

Oslo and the southeast may fall easily, but there are other lines than “state”-borders drawn across this country since long before there was even a single muslim in the world, and we have held them this long, against everyone else too. We are entering a new golden age for my people, and those of a handful other countrys, but only through struggle.

Never fear, Pamela. God is with you too in this coming time.

But Pamela Geller’s guilty conscience is showing again, because as a matter of fact, she edited her post very recently to take out the most incriminating line. The Internet Archive has a copy of the original:

As you can see, the line Geller edited out is:

We are stockpiling and caching weapons, ammunition and equipment. This is going to happen fast.

Google’s cache also has a copy of Geller’s page, captured on June 30, 2011 — and the line about “stockpiling weapons” was still there at that time.

Obviously, Pamela Geller is going through her archives and scrubbing any violent rhetoric related to Norway, and equally obviously, she’s doing it to cover her tracks.

(h/t: po8crg.)

UPDATE at 7/29/11 12:05:27 pm

In the comments for Geller’s post, she implies that she knows the identity of her anonymous emailer:

turn said…

There’s an Old Testament blood-bath comin’.
Question remains: Are there enough Norsemen that will hear the Wyking song pulse in
their veins?

Or will they rely on their Norske and EU’s eunuch ‘leadership’?

Season after season Norway (and Sweden) are conceding whole neighborhoods populated by ‘immigrants’ as no-go zones. Police and EMS won’t respond there. It’s the friggin’ death-cry of civilization when the barbarians can intimidate in this manner.

So…yes. A very nice letter to you, Pam, from a Norwegian Atlasite (Atlasonian?). Unfortunately, he or she could be prosecuted under hate-speech laws for writing or posting in Norway what you have passed on to us.

Reply Sunday, June 24, 2007 at 01:40 PM

[…]

Pamela Geller said…

yes turn, which is why I ran it anonymously

UPDATE at 7/29/11 12:09:11 pm

LGF reader goddamnedfrank observed the now-deleted line on Geller’s site on July 25th, proving that it was edited after the Norway atrocities.

UPDATE at 7/29/11 12:15:27 pm

The line about “stockpiling weapons” was quoted at Free Republic yesterday: Email From Norway (Pamela Keller publishes letter from Brevik in 2007?)

So it’s clear that Geller edited her post within the last 12 hours, probably because it was being quoted at other sites.

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338 comments

1 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:11:54am

This isn't altering something she said, either, which I think she'd have the right to do.

This is editing a text to make it appear different than what it was. That distorts it.

2 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:12:15am

I can't wait for Pam's new excuse "Charles made me do it!"

3 garhighway  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:13:49am

Some flavor of tu quoque is inevitable.

4 makeitstop  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:15:02am

re: #2 Alouette

I can't wait for Pam's new excuse "Charles made me do it!"

The response to this post should be an epic tangle of confused thinking, desperate finger-pointing and drunken typos.

Can't wait.

Oh, and - nice work, Lizards. You guys are better at this than anybody.

5 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:15:35am
Obviously, Pamela Geller is going through her archives and scrubbing any violent rhetoric related to Norway, and equally obviously, she’s doing it to cover her tracks.

If she had even a shred of decency she'd be sending the author's information to Norwegian authorities. Instead she's trying to hide evidence of violent Norwegian extremists who are stockpiling weapons and preparing for war.

6 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:15:53am

Excellent find, and thanks for digging into this Po8crg.

7 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:16:02am

re: #3 garhighway

Some flavor of tu quoque is inevitable.

I don't think Charles has ever posted a letter from a reader, threatening violence, unless it was from a stalker threatening violence to HIM.

8 MichaelJ  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:16:33am

No way to look at this other than as someone who feels guilty and is covering their tracks.

9 AK-47%  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:17:15am

I do not understand: these people seem to be saying they are brave enough to stand up for their principles but, then they backtrack and delete when called out on them.

10 tnguitarist  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:17:25am

Freedom of (editing) speech!

11 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:17:32am

re: #5 Killgore Trout

If she had even a shred of decency she'd be sending the author's information to Norwegian authorities. Instead she's trying to hide evidence of violent Norwegian extremists who are stockpiling weapons and preparing for war.

No one ever claimed she had a shred of decency.

12 darthstar  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:18:00am

She just wants the attention.

13 jc717  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:18:45am

It's also clear that the writer of the letter is a hardcore EOT believing Christian.

14 garhighway  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:18:47am

re: #7 Alouette

I don't think Charles has ever posted a letter from a reader, threatening violence, unless it was from a stalker threatening violence to HIM.

I expect it will be a "Charles edits his history, too!" sort of thing.

I'm not defending her. I'm making a prediction.

15 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:19:58am

re: #14 garhighway

I expect it will be a "Charles edits his history, too!" sort of thing.

I'm not defending her. I'm making a prediction.

He has edited a few posts with clarifications, but he has never, to my knowledge, altered an article without explanation. Go ahead, moonbats, dig away. You're just digging your own graves.

16 darthstar  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:21:18am

re: #15 thedopefishlives

He has edited a few posts with clarifications, but he has never, to my knowledge, altered an article without explanation. Go ahead, moonbats, dig away. You're just digging your own graves.

I always thought "moonbat" was a loving term for liberals. It applies to the likes of Gellar?

17 Olsonist  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:22:10am

You can assume that Geller knows who the email is from. Unfortunately, the passage:

We are stockpiling and caching weapons, ammunition and equipment. This is going to happen fast.

could have been deleted because of Breivik's terrorism rather than because it was from Breivik.

Still, it is a piece of data. Certainly it isn't the only example of Geller covering her tracks. We need more examples. The more she tries to cover her tracks, the more it says about her communications.

The one part of the email that seems like Breivik is:

It's far from impossible to achieve, after all my people has done it every time before, in feats that match the ancient greek, hebrew and british "legends".

The manifesto 1.22 is big on legends.

(reposted from the overnight thread)

18 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:22:27am

re: #16 darthstar

I always thought "moonbat" was a loving term for liberals. It applies to the likes of Gellar?

I always used it when referring to members of the vast unhinged from either side of the aisle. Moonbattery knows no party lines.

19 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:23:17am

re: #15 thedopefishlives

He has edited a few posts with clarifications, but he has never, to my knowledge, altered an article without explanation. Go ahead, moonbats, dig away. You're just digging your own graves.

Charles has been known to edit a post when subsequent facts reveal that the initial assessment has been WRONG! Shocka!

20 AK-47%  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:23:36am

re: #18 thedopefishlives

I always used it when referring to members of the vast unhinged from either side of the aisle. Moonbattery knows no party lines.

I always thought it was "wingnut" for right-wing crazy and "moonbat" for left-wing crazy...

21 garhighway  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:24:06am

re: #20 ralphieboy

I always thought it was "wingnut" for right-wing crazy and "moonbat" for left-wing crazy...

Like slice and hook.

22 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:25:02am

re: #21 garhighway

Like slice and hook.

Like sucks and blows.

23 Spocomptonite  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:25:35am

Orwell was a historian of future events, it seems.

24 jvic  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:26:12am

It's not the offense that does you in; it's the cover-up.

Precedent after precedent, but people don't learn.

(Here's hoping I'm never subjected to that pressure.)

25 Spocomptonite  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:27:38am

re: #19 Alouette

Charles has been known to edit a post when subsequent facts reveal that the initial assessment has been WRONG! Shocka!

He always adds edits and leaves the error as it was. He doesn't Dept of Truth and memory hole it like Geller et al.

26 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:30:22am

Can't change history Pam. Nice try though you fascist.

27 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:31:58am

Also important are the comments, in which she defends the posting of this message anonymously as another poster points out that the emailer could be subjected to Norwegian hate speech prosecution - to which Geller agrees and specifically notes:

turn said...

There's an Old Testament blood-bath comin'.
Question remains: Are there enough Norsemen that will hear the Wyking song pulse in their veins?
Or will they rely on their Norske and EU's eunuch 'leadership'?

Season after season Norway (and Sweden) are conceding whole neighborhoods populated by 'immigrants' as no-go zones. Police and EMS won't respond there. It's the friggin' death-cry of civilization when the barbarians can intimidate in this manner.

So...yes. A very nice letter to you, Pam, from a Norwegian Atlasite (Atlasonian?). Unfortunately, he or she could be prosecuted under hate-speech laws for writing or posting in Norway what you have passed on to us.
Reply Sunday, June 24, 2007 at 01:40 PM
Pamela Geller said...

yes turn, which is why I ran it anonymously
Reply Sunday, June 24, 2007 at 02:54 PM

So, she knew something wasn't kosher with this email, but ran it anonymously containing that key language anyways - but did so to preserve the anonymity of the poster.

So, (a) who was the poster, and why has she taken to scrubbing the message of that key language? (well, we know the reason for (b), but I'd like her explanation in light of her message in the comments).

28 Gus  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:32:50am

In light of recent events in Norway I think it's incumbent upon Pamela Geller to forward this email to Norwegian law enforcement authorities.

29 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:34:41am

re: #27 lawhawk

It does raise some questions. Was the email from the Norwegian terrorist? One of his associates? Did Pam knowingly lie to investigators when they asked her about contact with him? What other potential evidence is she trying to hide about the attacks?

30 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:35:25am

re: #28 Gus 802

In light of recent events in Norway I think it's incumbent upon Pamela Geller to forward this email to Norwegian law enforcement authorities.

I think she might in some trouble for trying to hide this.

31 darthstar  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:38:10am

re: #30 Killgore Trout

I think she might in some trouble for trying to hide this.

Two words I'd love to hear in relation to Pamela Gellar: FBI Subpoena.

32 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:38:29am

They are still seeking collaborators. This is definitely pertinent.

33 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:39:02am

re: #30 Killgore Trout

That's a remote possibility, but this isn't merely someone else posting that kind of thing on her site. She specifically chose to run that email to her and protected that person's identity.

Now, she's scrubbed it specific language that could potentially relate to the massacre.

If investigators do come asking about who the emailer was, the messages, and other communications, she might find herself in trouble for hindering an investigation (destruction of evidence/obstruction of justice) but I don't see that happening just yet.

34 Gus  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:39:09am

re: #30 Killgore Trout

I think she might in some trouble for trying to hide this.

Contact information here:

[Link: www.regjeringen.no...]

35 M. Dubious  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:40:48am

Pam is forging her own posting history now? What a dishonest piece of work.

36 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:42:10am

This comment has been pre-edited in case it will eventually bite me in the ass.

37 Olsonist  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:43:28am

re: #29 Killgore Trout

It does raise some questions. Was the email from the Norwegian terrorist? One of his associates? Did Pam knowingly lie to investigators when they asked her about contact with him? What other potential evidence is she trying to hide about the attacks?

We can only hope so. If you think archive.org is slick, you gotta know that the Feds can figure out who the email was from. Patriot Act, Section 209.

It's not the crime that kills you, it's the cover-up.

38 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:44:17am

re: #37 Olsonist

We can only hope so. If you think archive.org is slick, you gotta know that the Feds can figure out who the email was from. Patriot Act, Section 209.

It's not the crime that kills you, it's the cover-up.

Good point.

39 AK-47%  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:44:34am

Not her fault: Charles' sudden turn to the left caused her to snap.

40 darthstar  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:46:05am

Geller still has the Bush strategy to fall back on if the investigation starts to heat up...we lost those emails.

41 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:47:05am

re: #39 ralphieboy

No, it was his refusal to join her and her merry fiery band of alphabet-soup neo nazis/racists/Islamophobes: VB, EDL, etc.

42 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:48:16am

re: #13 jc717

It's also clear that the writer of the letter is a hardcore EOT believing Christian.

End of transmission?

Seriously, though, if you mean "endtimes", the letter does express that. But there are many different flavors of those.

[Link: www.religioustolerance.org...]

This wiki article has a disclaimer at the top about needing more 3rd party sources, though wapedia does a decent job of making it readable

[Link: wapedia.mobi...]

43 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:49:14am

We have a new radio show starting this Sunday on a local station. The guest will be Robert Spencer. I was gonna remove my ear drums, but now I might have to listen to see what's up.

44 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:49:41am

re: #27 lawhawk

I'm going to go out on a limb, risk downdings, and say that the fact that the attack happened in Norway is a sign that the Radical Right there is being squeezed. Norway has more resistant than most of Europe to the bigotry bug.

Think of it like that point in the Dark Knight where Alfred said (paraphrased) that after the criminals where so heavily pushed, that the Joker was unleashed as push back. Certainly the terrorist was a lone-wolf. However, he is indicative of the fact that the far-right in Norway is much more unpleased with the Norwegian Government than the far-right in other nations of Europe (Including the Netherlands, where the Far-Right are de-facto in control).

Also, the guy who was arrested in the past 48 hours in Finland for trying to buy a large amount of fertilizer. Finland acts in the same way as Norway in many cases.

45 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:51:53am

re: #27 lawhawk

So, she knew something wasn't kosher with this email, but ran it anonymously containing that key language anyways - but did so to preserve the anonymity of the poster.

So, (a) who was the poster, and why has she taken to scrubbing the message of that key language? (well, we know the reason for (b), but I'd like her explanation in light of her message in the comments).

Exactly. Looks like Ms. Geller needs a refresher in the diff. between "anonymous" and "confidential".

46 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:53:26am
47 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:54:14am

re: #39 ralphieboy

Not her fault: Charles' sudden turn to the left caused her to snap.

If only we had voted for the States Rights Party of 1948, we wouldn't be having all these problems!!

48 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:54:31am

Here is the thing: if there was nothing wrong with the paragraph, why did she delete it? If there was something mighty wrong with it, why did she post it in the first place?

49 AK-47%  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:54:54am

re: #44 ProLifeLiberal

trying to get at what you wanna say but do not quite comprende

Norway and Finland are ruled by democratically and legally elected governments. As is most of Europe and the USA.

The extent to which fringe elements are displeased with the people whom their fellow citizens have chosen to represent them is more a reflection on the character of the fringe elements and of the level of discourse in the blogoshpere and other channels of communication available to them than on what their governments are up to.

50 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:56:07am

re: #48 Sergey Romanov

Here is the thing: if there was nothing wrong with the paragraph, why did she delete it? If there was something mighty wrong with it, why did she post it in the first place?

And therein lies the crux of the issue. These two are the big questions that she's going to have to answer.

51 AK-47%  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:58:05am

I DIDN'T DO IT AND STOP TALKING ABOUT MY MOTHER!

52 Ming  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:58:45am

This reminds me of when that Republican Senator (I believe Senator Kyl?) had the Congressional Record amended, to remove his statement to the effect that 90% of what Planned Parenthood does is abortions.

I am horrified by such rewrites of history, and I hope many other people feel the same way. Many thanks to Charles for catching Pamela Geller in the act of rewriting the history of her own blog.

Considering the title of Ms. Geller's blog, I can't help but think of what John Galt would have to say about her simple lying about the REALITY of her earlier post.

53 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:58:58am

re: #46 goddamnedfrank

I mentioned this post of Gellers a few days ago, before she edited it.

Charles perhaps Geller's comment highlighted by frank can also be added?

54 Spocomptonite  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:59:04am

re: #48 Sergey Romanov

Here is the thing: if there was nothing wrong with the paragraph, why did she delete it? If there was something mighty wrong with it, why did she post it in the first place?

Geller can't answer that, it has too much logic in it!

55 blueraven  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:59:21am

re: #46 goddamnedfrank

I mentioned this post of Gellers a few days ago, before she edited it.

So you are saying the post was still intact on July 25th? I know you posted the cached version, but did you see it the letter quoted in full on the current page then?

56 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:03:15pm

re: #49 ralphieboy

What I am trying to say is that, these 8 nations have pushed the bigotry bug more into the margins than the rest of Europe. It's just as much culture as government.

This has resulted in the fringe getting angry and desperate. Which makes them more likely to be violent. In fact, I would posit that these 8 nations are more under threat of Far-Right terror than Islamist terror.

57 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:03:58pm

re: #55 blueraven

So you are saying the post was still intact on July 25th? I know you posted the cached version, but did you see it the letter quoted in full on the current page then?

Yes. I had to go to the real page to see the comments. The sentence about stockpiling weapons was still there then. I should have saved a web archive but I didn't think she'd be quite this mendacious, editing someone else's words.

58 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:06:05pm

re: #57 goddamnedfrank

Yes. I had to go to the real page to see the comments. The sentence about stockpiling weapons was still there then. I should have saved a web archive but I didn't think she'd be quite this mendacious, editing someone else's words.

What's done is done, but at least we have the Wayback and Google Cache copies. Still, well spotted.

59 jvic  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:06:19pm

"The passions aroused by this issue lead to hyperbole. People can say stupid things when they're blowing off steam. I give the benefit of the doubt to free speech."

That wouldn't have been so hard, would it, Pamela? But nooooo...

60 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:06:26pm

re: #55 blueraven

So you are saying the post was still intact on July 25th? I know you posted the cached version, but did you see it the letter quoted in full on the current page then?

If you google the paragraph. you will see it has been quoted by some in the last few days, incl. freeperdom. The date can be calculated from there. She edited it today.

61 Interesting Times  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:06:31pm

re: #57 goddamnedfrank

Yes. I had to go to the real page to see the comments. The sentence about stockpiling weapons was still there then. I should have saved a web archive but I didn't think she'd be quite this mendacious, editing someone else's words.

Might you be able to dig the page out of your web browser's cache?

62 AK-47%  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:06:39pm

re: #56 ProLifeLiberal


Now I get it. You mean that the fringe elements there feel more alienated than in other nations.

In one sense that is good, these idiots should be made aware that they represent only themselves and their deranged colleagues and do not find any great resonance in the broader population, who reject violence and extgremism in any form.

63 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:07:01pm

re: #58 thedopefishlives

What's done is done, but at least we have the Wayback and Google Cache copies. Still, well spotted.

Google cache will expire soon.

64 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:07:35pm

re: #57 goddamnedfrank

I didn't think she'd be quite this mendacious

She apparently has no limits.

65 blueraven  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:08:34pm

re: #57 goddamnedfrank

Yes. I had to go to the real page to see the comments. The sentence about stockpiling weapons was still there then. I should have saved a web archive but I didn't think she'd be quite this mendacious, editing someone else's words.

Well we know it was edited VERY recently then! After the bombing and shootings in Norway.

66 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:08:56pm

re: #61 publicityStunted

Might you be able to dig the page out of your web browser's cache?

No need, really. We have Franks word. If someone doubts it, they will say he edited the file.

67 blueraven  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:09:29pm

re: #60 Sergey Romanov

If you google the paragraph. you will see it has been quoted by some in the last few days, incl. freeperdom. The date can be calculated from there. She edited it today.

Wow...that's pretty damning.

68 Spocomptonite  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:10:39pm

re: #33 lawhawk

That's a remote possibility, but this isn't merely someone else posting that kind of thing on her site. She specifically chose to run that email to her and protected that person's identity.

Now, she's scrubbed it specific language that could potentially relate to the massacre.

If investigators do come asking about who the emailer was, the messages, and other communications, she might find herself in trouble for hindering an investigation (destruction of evidence/obstruction of justice) but I don't see that happening just yet.

So, enough of me joking around. Seriously, is this something that should be brought to the attention of the authorities? And which authorities? As bad as it is for Geller to Memory Hole something that could be relevant to obtaining justice for this massacre and preventing future massacres, I'd feel pretty bad myself if we found this out and all we did was mock her for doing it.

69 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:13:38pm

re: #68 Spocomptonite

I would think the FBI or DHS would be monitoring web sites for stuff like that but I could be wrong.

70 po8crg  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:16:35pm

Yay! My ISP must have fixed my internet today. Just got home to find this on the frontpage. Feeling decidedly embarrassed to be on the front page, but thanks to Charles for boosting the signal on this one.

I've been reading the site since before Rathergate, and I knew this was the right place to mention this.

PS, to a href="/showc/46/9187584">goddamnedfrank I had a hunt around for any other references to it, but didn't spot your comment. Sorry, dude, or I'd have credited you.

71 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:19:09pm

re: #66 Sergey Romanov

No need, really. We have Franks word. If someone doubts it, they will say he edited the file.

I just updated with a link to the Free Republic page that quotes the "stockpiling weapons" line yesterday evening. Geller edited the post within the last 12 hours.

72 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:19:10pm

Some Serbian putz on TVTropes was whining about how the Kosovars are evil, and how the poor Serbians are persecuted. I didn't say anything until he decided to call the US evil for intervening in Kosovo.

I fully expect a massive flame-war. I didn't go all the way in terms of vicious criticism. I could have been a thousand times more nasty.

73 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:19:10pm

re: #61 publicityStunted

Might you be able to dig the page out of your web browser's cache?

I looked, it's gone.

74 Spocomptonite  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:22:11pm

re: #69 Cannadian Club Akbar

I would think the FBI or DHS would be monitoring web sites for stuff like that but I could be wrong.

My knowledge and understanding of the inner working of law enforcement are nil, and all I know is from various media. If its Enemy of the State, then I'm really naive for thinking they didn't know about the email and who sent it and what the top of their head looked like from space before Geller even got it. On the other hand, if it's L.A. Noire... shit guys, there's one guy manning five desks and he doesn't know this yet!

75 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:23:48pm

re: #13 jc717

It's also clear that the writer of the letter is a hardcore EOT believing Christian.

But not a fundamentalist//

76 Big Steve  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:25:46pm

This, appears to be the behavior of someone who has received legal council.

77 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:26:16pm

re: #76 Big Steve

This, appears to be the behavior of someone who has received legal council.

Or someone who will soon be in desperate need of it.

78 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:28:35pm

re: #74 Spocomptonite

Section 216 of the USA PATRIOT Act would extend this low threshold of proof to Internet communications that are far more revealing than the numbers dialed to or from a telephone, and to portions of e-mail communications that cannot readily be separated from content. Section 216 gives law enforcement agents who obtain pen register and trap and trace orders access to "dialing, routing and signaling information." The bill does not define those terms. They would apparently apply to law enforcement efforts to determine what websites a person has visited. This is like giving law enforcement the power -- based only on its own certification -- to require the librarian to report on the books you had perused while visiting the public library. This is extending a low standard of proof -- far less than probable cause -- to "content" information even while Section 216 purports to exclude content.

The contents of a telephone call are readily separated from the telephone numbers dialed to and from a telephone. However, the same cannot be said of an e-mail address and the contents of an e-mail message. This information moves together in packets. To execute the pen register and trap and trace orders authorized by Section 216, somebody must separate the e-mail address from the contents of the e-mail message of the target. The FBI's answer to this problem is troubling. It obtains access to the entire message. Then, it asserts that it can be trusted to separate the addressing information to which it would be entitled under a pen or trap and trace order from content, and retain only the addressing information.

Moreover, the FBI sometimes uses the "Carnivore" Internet surveillance system to perform this function. Carnivore gives the FBI access not only to all of the target's communications, but to the communications of non-targets as well, who use the same Internet Service Provider as does the target. Section 216 would worsen the problem by giving the FBI access to communications of non-targets and to portions of the target's communications to which it is not entitled under the court order it obtained. The "trust us, we're the government" solution the FBI proposes is entirely unacceptable and inconsistent with the Fourth Amendment. While Section 216 requires reports on the use of Carnivore, it will likely result in more use of the system.

[Link: www.911-strike.com...]

79 Big Steve  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:33:00pm

I know I know.....this is serious stuff.....but whenever I hear the word "stockpiling weapons" I can't help but think of Bert in the movie Tremors.

They were all stranded on the rocks and Earl came up with the idea of feeding Bert's homemade "bombs" to the Graboids...

Bert asks..."How much time?"

Earls says.. "about 15 seconds, I think. What's that?"

Bert says... "Cannon Fuse"

Earl asks.. "What do you use that for?"

Bert looks at him like hes dumb as a rock and says... "My cannon!".

80 lostlakehiker  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:34:57pm

What's posted on the internets is their foar good. Speling erors incld. I hat that. Makes me look stoopid.

What's posted on the internet is there for good. Spelling errors included. That's why I like it. Because I never make mistaks. erors.

None that I cant pach.

Keep diggin, Pamela.

81 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:35:47pm

re: #78 Cannadian Club Akbar

That appears to be a "troofer lite" site...

82 Spocomptonite  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:36:28pm

re: #79 Big Steve

I know I know...this is serious stuff...but whenever I hear the word "stockpiling weapons" I can't help but think of Bert in the movie Tremors.

They were all stranded on the rocks and Earl came up with the idea of feeding Bert's homemade "bombs" to the Graboids...

Bert asks..."How much time?"

Earls says.. "about 15 seconds, I think. What's that?"

Bert says... "Cannon Fuse"

Earl asks.. "What do you use that for?"

Bert looks at him like hes dumb as a rock and says... "My cannon!".

That movie should have won an Oscar in the Category ofAwesome.

83 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:36:43pm

re: #81 Thanos

That appears to be a "troofer lite" site...

Copyright 2001, The American Civil Liberties Union

Reprinted with permission of the American Civil Liberties Union
[Link: www.aclu.org...]

84 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:38:52pm

re: #72 ProLifeLiberal

And of course, he thinks I'm misinformed.

I'm half-think of pulling out that Croatian/Bosnian insult against the Serbians.

85 Alexzander  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:44:27pm

My feelings about this particular episode in context:

Image: ya9J5.gif

mixed with:

Image: uWqM3.gif

86 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:44:50pm

re: #84 ProLifeLiberal

Insulting an ethnic group doesn't really help anything.

87 Olsonist  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:46:21pm

re: #84 ProLifeLiberal

Of course, you being an American and therefore misinformed strikes me as an Acceptable Nationality Target.

88 Ericus58  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:46:28pm

re: #72 ProLifeLiberal

Some Serbian putz on TVTropes was whining about how the Kosovars are evil, and how the poor Serbians are persecuted. I didn't say anything until he decided to call the US evil for intervening in Kosovo.

I fully expect a massive flame-war. I didn't go all the way in terms of vicious criticism. I could have been a thousand times more nasty.

I made a comment in regards to this issue earlier:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

And have you watched any of the RT news/video clips on this? Wow - talk about being shills for the Serb's. Check them out on youtube.

89 Spocomptonite  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:46:32pm

re: #86 Obdicut

Insulting an ethnic group doesn't really help anything.

It's like Whiskey: doesn't help and habit-forming, but it makes ya feel goooooooooooooooood for a little bit.

90 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:50:49pm

re: #89 Spocomptonite

It's like Whiskey: doesn't help and habit-forming, but it makes ya feel goood for a little bit.

The whiskey and the hate combine to form:

Image: PamelaGellerUndead.jpg

You've been warned.

91 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:54:11pm

re: #9 ralphieboy

I do not understand: these people seem to be saying they are brave enough to stand up for their principles but, then they backtrack and delete when called out on them.

It's simple: most of these armchair "anti-jihadis" are craven, twisted cowards who cheer on and support other craven cowards who found enough intestinal fortitude to put their twisted plots in action (such as shooting dead dozens of unarmed kids), but they don't have the guts themselves to pull the trigger or to publicly defend those who do to the wider, non-batshit crazy public.

92 AK-47%  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:54:29pm

re: #90 wrenchwench

The whiskey and the hate combine to form:

Image: PamelaGellerUndead.jpg

You've been warned.

Yes, even more scary: destroying the brain has no effect on them!

93 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:55:08pm

re: #87 Olsonist

Yep. I realize that.

So, as a Bosnian and Albanian sympathizing American, I return the favor.

94 Ericus58  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:56:56pm

Soldier shouts alleged Fort Hood killer name in court

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

"WACO, Texas (Reuters) - Army soldier Naser Jason Abdo shouted the name of a military psychiatrist accused of a 2009 shooting rampage at Fort Hood, Texas, during his first appearance in court on Friday on a charge related to an alleged terror plot.

Abdo, 21, was formally charged with illegal possession of a firearm two days after his arrest in a Killeen, Texas, motel room in possession of suspected bomb-making materials.

"Abeer Qassim al-Janabi Iraq 2006; Nidal Hasan, Fort Hood, 2009," Abdo shouted at the media as he was led out of the Waco courtroom.

The name Al-Janabi refers to a 14-year-old girl who was raped and murdered by American soldiers in Iraq in 2006. Several soldiers have been charged and sentenced, including a soldier from Midland, Texas.

Nidal Hasan is a military psychiatrist charged with killing 13 people and wounding 32 at a medical facility on Fort Hood in 2009. Hasan, who is in a wheelchair after being shot by police during the attack, faces court martial next year."
..............
"He was arrested Wednesday afternoon after a call from Greg Ebert, an employee at a Killeen gun shop, who told Reuters he was concerned when Abdo bought ammunition and smokeless powder.

It was the same gun shop where Hasan bought his weapons two years ago."

Really?! Same shop?!
"Naw, they won't notice anything suspicious in my asking about blowin' shit up...."
Epic Fail.

95 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:57:37pm

re: #16 darthstar

I always thought "moonbat" was a loving term for liberals. It applies to the likes of Gellar?

AFAIK, "moonbats" have always referred to left-wing nutjobs (example: Cynthia McKinney, George Galloway, etc.), just as "wingnuts" refer to right-wing nutjobs.

96 Claire  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:57:46pm

re: #91 talon_262

It's simple: most of these armchair "anti-jihadis" are craven, twisted cowards who cheer on and support other craven cowards who found enough intestinal fortitude to put their twisted plots in action (such as shooting dead dozens of unarmed kids), but they don't have the guts themselves to pull the trigger or to publicly defend those who do to the wider, non-batshit crazy public.

Huh?

97 AK-47%  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:58:24pm

re: #94 Ericus58

Soldier shouts alleged Fort Hood killer name in court

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Really?! Same shop?!
"Naw, they won't notice anything suspicious in my asking about blowin' shit up..."
Epic Fail.

One almost ventures to think that he wanted to get caught...

98 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:58:25pm

re: #91 talon_262

It's simple: most of these armchair "anti-jihadis" are craven, twisted cowards who cheer on and support other craven cowards who found enough intestinal fortitude to put their twisted plots in action (such as shooting dead dozens of unarmed kids), but they don't have the guts themselves to pull the trigger or to publicly defend those who do to the wider, non-batshit crazy public.

Geller describes her email from Norway as "devastating in its matter-of-factness."

I would describe Breivik that way, especially on Utoya.

99 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:58:29pm
100 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:58:50pm

re: #22 Alouette

Like sucks and blows.

"Mega Maid...she's gone from suck to blow!"

/Spaceballs

101 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 12:59:47pm

re: #99 Killgore Trout

Fort Hood Suspect Yells Nidal Hasan's Name in Court
What a dick.

It's like, thanks, we know you're a loser. You don't need to remind us.

102 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:00:04pm

Good fucking work goddamnedfrank!!!

103 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:00:09pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout

I think she might in some trouble for trying to hide this.

G-d, I hope so...she and her RWNJ cohorts are so overdue for karma to bite them on the ass for their reprehensible conduct.

104 Alexzander  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:00:49pm

re: #94 Ericus58

What is smokeless powder?

105 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:01:00pm

Thank god they caught that douche before he could actually hurt anyone.

106 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:01:33pm

re: #37 Olsonist

We can only hope so. If you think archive.org is slick, you gotta know that the Feds can figure out who the email was from. Patriot Act, Section 209.

It's not the crime that kills you, it's the cover-up.

See: Watergate, Richard Nixon, and such.

107 Spocomptonite  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:01:56pm

re: #90 wrenchwench

The whiskey and the hate combine to form:

Image: PamelaGellerUndead.jpg

You've been warned.

Hey, I said it makes you feel good. I didn't say it makes you good.

108 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:02:03pm

re: #78 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #81 Thanos

re: #83 Cannadian Club Akbar

Better link: [Link: www.aclu.org...]

109 Summer Seale  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:04:04pm

Totally OT, but maybe worth reading:

Your Browser vs. Your I.Q.

(And no, I'm not saying that people who use IE are necessarily dumb as the study suggests - I realize some people at work have no perms to install another one, or some other circumstance forces them to use it. I just thought the article was kinda funny. =) )

110 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:04:06pm

re: #96 Claire

Huh?

Shorter: they are proxy-murderers.

111 albusteve  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:04:17pm

re: #104 Alexzander

What is smokeless powder?

modern gunpowder, as opposed to black powder

112 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:04:22pm

re: #46 goddamnedfrank

I mentioned this post of Gellers a few days ago, before she edited it.

So you did...got you a nice HT for it too ;-P

113 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:04:58pm

re: #94 Ericus58

Abeer Qassim al-Janabi Iraq 2006 - that's referring to case where US soldiers were accused of raping and murdering a 14 year-old girl, and the murder of her parents and sister. Two soldiers were convicted of murder and 3 others entered guilty pleas.

The soldiers were from Fort Campbell (Abdo's former base when he went AWOL).

114 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:06:10pm

re: #104 Alexzander

What is smokeless powder?

The modern propellant for cartridge firearms, often called cordite though that's just one family of smokeless powders. Compared to traditional gunpowder (black powder) smokeless powders are generally much more powerful and produces far fewer combustion byproducts (smoke.) They're also less sensitive to heat and shock and are easier to ship and store.

115 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:06:29pm

re: #75 Naso Tang

But not a fundamentalist//

Correct, you are, even with the sarc tags.

116 Kragar  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:06:30pm

Lying bitch.

117 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:07:35pm

re: #102 Amory Blaine

Good fucking work goddamnedfrank!!!

His nic sort of calls out for that kind of accolade.

118 Interesting Times  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:08:05pm

re: #94 Ericus58

Soldier shouts alleged Fort Hood killer name in court

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Really?! Same shop?!
"Naw, they won't notice anything suspicious in my asking about blowin' shit up..."
Epic Fail.

Good thing for Fort Hood and everyone in the vicinity that he wasn't nearly as resourceful and meticulous as Breivik :/

119 Kragar  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:08:07pm

WND Blames Progressives For Norway Attacks

The consequence should have been entirely predictable. In failing to meet the threat of cultural subversion, the European left has facilitated the emergence of the illiberal and xenophobic branch of the far right.

120 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:08:45pm

re: #108 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

re: #81 Thanos

re: #83 Cannadian Club Akbar

Better link: [Link: www.aclu.org...]

I was looking for something on the Patriot Act 2 but not happy with my results.

121 blueraven  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:09:04pm

OT: Last night TCM ran the movie; The Battle of Algiers.

a 1966 war film based on occurrences during the Algerian War (1954–62) against French colonial occupation in North Africa, the most prominent being the titular Battle of Algiers. It was directed by Gillo Pontecorvo. The film has been critically celebrated and often taken, by insurgent groups and states alike, as an important commentary on urban guerilla warfare.

I missed a few spots in it, and as it was subtitled, maybe some important parts. But all in all it was a very compelling movie. Anyone seen it?

122 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:11:17pm

re: #121 blueraven

OT: Last night TCM ran the movie; The Battle of Algiers.

I missed a few spots in it, and as it was subtitled, maybe some important parts. But all in all it was a very compelling movie. Anyone seen it?

Yes. Interesting flick, good historical artifact.

123 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:12:35pm

It's a strange world we live in. Individuals who choose to engage in public speech can now do so, and reach a much wider audience than ever before. But, they can also go back and effectively change the past much of the time. If nobody had noticed that post before Pam did, she might have been able to change it without anyone knowing the difference. Google cache only reaches so far back, so if it had escaped notice for a little while longer, it would have been very difficult to prove she had ever typed the sentence under discussion.

As much as the stalkers love to prattle on about memory holes and the like, there is a real issue there. History, especially relatively recent history, is far more voluminous than ever before, and far more malleable.

Had nobody noticed, Crazypants Geller might have been able to un-say what she had said before. It's not like there's an internet print edition to check back on. All we have is caches and wayback machines, which are unreliable on a good day, and limited in storage capacity.

What a strange world we live in.

124 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:12:39pm

re: #121 blueraven

Oops forgot to mention, you can probably find it used on eBay for a decent price. Criterion release.

125 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:13:05pm

re: #121 blueraven

OT: Last night TCM ran the movie; The Battle of Algiers.

I missed a few spots in it, and as it was subtitled, maybe some important parts. But all in all it was a very compelling movie. Anyone seen it?

As part of a tranzi prog fundraiser at U of L in the 60's. Fits well with Jean Lartiguy's novels.

126 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:13:33pm

re: #123 Fozzie Bear

It's a strange world we live in. Individuals who choose to engage in public speech can now do so, and reach a much wider audience than ever before. But, they can also go back and effectively change the past much of the time. If nobody had noticed that post before Pam did, she might have been able to change it without anyone knowing the difference. Google cache only reaches so far back, so if it had escaped notice for a little while longer, it would have been very difficult to prove she had ever typed the sentence under discussion.

As much as the stalkers love to prattle on about memory holes and the like, there is a real issue there. History, especially relatively recent history, is far more voluminous than ever before, and far more malleable.

Had nobody noticed, Crazypants Geller might have been able to un-say what she had said before. It's not like there's an internet print edition to check back on. All we have is caches and wayback machines, which are unreliable on a good day, and limited in storage capacity.

What a strange world we live in.

Also makes you wonder, though, what else is she changing around and deleting.

127 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:14:05pm

re: #88 Ericus58

Also, this guy was saying they apologized to the Bosnians for the atrocities. I called bullshit, and decided to add another crime to the record for him to deal with: The Albanian Genocide of 1912-1913. Somewhere around 10-25% of Albanians were killed in a 12-18 month period.

Also, I twisted the knife, pointing out how much the sick bastard in Norway liked what the Serbians did the 90's, as well as praising Biden and his son. Wikipedia below elaborates on why Serbia doesn't like Biden:

During the 1999 NATO attack on Slobodan Milosevic's Serbia, he appeared on Meet the Press (9 May 1999) and called for "a Japanese-German style occupation of that country, while his son publicly praised the Albanians' resolve in expelling the "degenerate thugs" from Kosovo". Due to these statements, during his official visit to Belgrade in 2009 he was met with heavy criticism branding him racist from media and public figures alike as well as numerous protests against his visit.

128 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:14:21pm

re: #119 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

WND Blames Progressives For Norway Attacks

That WND author pretty much says those kids committed suicide.

The simple truth is that there can be no solution to the dilemma unless we first recognize that the responsibility for this deteriorating state of affairs lies chiefly with the intellectuals, journalists and governing elites of the multicultural left who have brought it to pass.
129 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:14:34pm

re: #123 Fozzie Bear

It's not about what she said. It's really not. I have no problem with people editing what they write, as long as they don't deny having said it before.

She edited someone else's words. That distorts them. By deleting that paragraph, she's making the email seem other than what it is. And there's a clear reason why she's doing it

130 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:14:35pm

re: #119 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

WND Blames Progressives For Norway Attacks

"Look what you made our nutjobs do, you godless commies!"

131 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:15:30pm

re: #119 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If only we had voted in Strom Thurmond's States Rights Party. Then, we would not be having all these problems.

132 Kragar  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:15:39pm

GOP uses clips from "The Town" to coerce TP congressmen.


Jon Stewart Thursday night took on a colorful detail to come out of Congress' debt ceiling negotiations. House Republicans, whipping support for Speaker John Boehner's (R-OH) debt limit plan, used a clip from the Ben Affleck bank heist movie "The Town" to rally the troops.

The clip shows Affleck's character asking for a friend's aid in order to "hurt some people."

133 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:16:17pm

re: #126 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Also makes you wonder, though, what else is she changing around and deleting.

There's an interesting idea for a web app: A cache / search engine that maps changes to specific websites in .diff files, in a manner similar to git.

Anybody have a few hundred hours of disposable time? It would be a hell of a resource, albeit a rather difficult programming exercise. (Probably extremely resource intensive to run as well.)

134 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:17:02pm

re: #132 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

GOP uses clips from "The Town" to coerce TP congressmen.

They have "evolved" from only using music.
/

135 ContinentalOp  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:17:55pm

Geller's occasional guest blogger John Jay, who has been advocating armed violence against Muslims and their liberal/socialist enablers for quite some time, has posted these two not-quite-explicit comments since the Oslo terrorist attacks.

why deny the logical imperative of what you write? why deny the logical imperative of what you believe? and, why oh why, deny the logical imperative of what the other fellow writes and believes? why forget it, when trouble looms? why deny what the other fellow intends for you, what he thinks and what he has written? and your fellows? marx. lenin. marcuse. alinsky. the frankfurt school. the imam. ayatollah. a thousand clerics calling for your blood. and entire generation of euro leftist terrorist thugs. why? why fucking forget, indeed? history owes no apologies for its thoughts.

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just remember, the left and islam have waged unrelenting war against the united states and the free market capitalism & individual liberty for more than 30 years. the left, its ideologues & authors & polemicists & pundits & theorists have gone almost entirely unpunished for this war. in my view, all of the major leftist and socialist parties of the world have enabled, aided and abetted this war of terror, and the western socialists and communists continue to fight it through their proxies in the middle east, primarily in palestine and in syria.

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136 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:18:18pm

re: #115 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Correct, you are, even with the sarc tags.

I wanted to make sure nobody started an argument, but it did occur to me recently (the trial under way) to ask what are your thoughts on the use of the word by the FLDS?

137 AK-47%  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:18:48pm

re: #132 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


Just one question: who's going to mix the kool-aid?

138 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:19:44pm

re: #133 Fozzie Bear

There's an interesting idea for a web app: A cache / search engine that maps changes to specific websites in .diff files, in a manner similar to git.

Anybody have a few hundred hours of disposable time? It would be a hell of a resource, albeit a rather difficult programming exercise. (Probably extremely resource intensive to run as well.)

Yeah, huge a mirror of the internet, only like Wikipedia's history pages.

Those are always a hoot.

139 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:20:33pm

re: #133 Fozzie Bear

There's an interesting idea for a web app: A cache / search engine that maps changes to specific websites in .diff files, in a manner similar to git.

Anybody have a few hundred hours of disposable time? It would be a hell of a resource, albeit a rather difficult programming exercise. (Probably extremely resource intensive to run as well.)

I would call it "memory whole". Get it? teehee

Ok maybe i'm the only one that will find that amusing.

140 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:21:20pm

re: #139 Fozzie Bear

I'll race you to copyright/trademark that one!

141 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:22:08pm

re: #140 lawhawk

I'll race you to copyright/trademark that one!

Don't trademark. Register the domain

142 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:22:44pm

re: #136 Naso Tang

I wanted to make sure nobody started an argument, but it did occur to me recently (the trial under way) to ask what are your thoughts on the use of the word by the FLDS?

My thought is, self-identification like the FLDS's use of "fundamentalist" is a different issue than imposition of a term by a 3rd party. Same for Independent Fundamental Baptist or other groups using the label for themselves, say, as a title or proper noun.

That was part of my point the other day.

143 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:22:55pm

Fox Headline: New York Times Helps Obama Alinsky Republicans on Twitter

Link goes to LA Times: #MSM reporter offers Obama #WhiteHouse helpful advice on #Twitter -- and they take it

144 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:23:25pm

re: #142 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Fair enough

145 ContinentalOp  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:24:33pm

re: #135 ContinentalOp

I should have noted that he advocates armed violence on his own blog. I don't believe he has ever done this at AtlasShrugged.

146 Mickey Blumental  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:24:39pm

I check out Atlas regularly since the Oslo attack because it is just too entertaining to see Pam freaking out over her part. The lunatic bitch is comedy gold, at least she would've been if she didn't have the blood of innocents on her hands.

147 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:25:18pm

re: #140 lawhawk

I'll race you to copyright/trademark that one!

Ha! I'm far too lazy to do it. Be my guest. Just put me in the credits, please. And maybe include me in the programming project. Anyone care to start a project on github?

It would be nuts to try to apply it to the entire internet, so the way I would do it is allow users to "flag" a domain for mapping under a user account, or something. (Rather than having to build a gigantic webcrawler with many heptabytes of storage.)

148 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:29:06pm

re: #121 blueraven

OT: Last night TCM ran the movie; The Battle of Algiers.

I missed a few spots in it, and as it was subtitled, maybe some important parts. But all in all it was a very compelling movie. Anyone seen it?

Oh, and I missed the HQDA showings, but the Army staff was pushing it as a model of what (not) to do in the run-up to Iraq.

149 blueraven  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:30:09pm

re: #143 Killgore Trout

Fox Headline: New York Times Helps Obama Alinsky Republicans on Twitter

Link goes to LA Times: #MSM reporter offers Obama #WhiteHouse helpful advice on #Twitter -- and they take it

Ha...the comments are as clueless as ever


rosetjr1 [Moderator] 1 minute ago
The HYT is irrelevant and done as a news paper.


bwatl [Moderator] 3 minutes ago
I think now you can call the N.Y.slimes a government fishwrapper.

150 darthstar  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:30:51pm

Okay...just got back from lunch (carnitas burrito)...what's going on with Boehner's impending failure? Has he achieved incompetence yet?

151 blueraven  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:31:03pm

re: #148 Decatur Deb

Oh, and I missed the HQDA showings, but the Army staff was pushing it as a model of what (not) to do in the run-up to Iraq.

Good move.

152 Alexzander  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:33:06pm

re: #148 Decatur Deb

Oh, and I missed the HQDA showings, but the Army staff was pushing it as a model of what (not) to do in the run-up to Iraq.

This is true. It has also been used by the Black Panthers and other anti-authoritarian militant groups.
This is often attributed to the films unusual ability to reveal both sides. Of course, complete objectivity is impossible.
Incredible film.

153 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:34:49pm

Anything to get the focus off the dysfunctional house, the scurrilous Rupert Murdoch phone hacking / bribery scandal and the right wing terrorist.

154 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:35:38pm

re: #150 darthstar

Okay...just got back from lunch (carnitas burrito)...what's going on with Boehner's impending failure? Has he achieved incompetence yet?

Not sure, but this is one Democrat plan I endorse!!
///

155 Kragar  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:35:38pm

Bryan Fischer: excluding Muslims from military service, political office is an act of compassion

no Muslim can take the oath of office to uphold and defend the Constitution with a clear conscience. Since his religion and its sharia law, given by Allah himself, teaches him that none of the rights guaranteed in the Constitution are valid (there is no freedom of religion in sharia, for instance - you leave Islam, you die), he either must lie or betray his religion to take the oath.

Out of simple compassion, we should not put anyone in a place where he has to choose between his God and his country to hold public office. Christians don’t have to make that choice, since our nation was founded on the principles of the Judeo-Christian tradition and the Declaration and Constitution took root and grew in Christian soil. The Bible is the ultimate source of moral authority for the Christian citizen, and it is the Bible that gave birth to the Declaration and the Constitution. Remember all that business about the “Creator” and the dating of these documents from the birth of Jesus Christ? That means the more devout a Christian becomes, the more patriotism and love of country he develops, and the more he will want to see the nation return to its biblical, moral and constitutional foundations.

Bat shit crazy doesn't begin to describe that asshole.

156 simoom  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:35:45pm

re: #143 Killgore Trout

Fox Headline: New York Times Helps Obama Alinsky Republicans on Twitter

It's a pretty crazy world we're living in when tossing "Alinsky" as verb into a Fox headline, and then not mentioning it in the actual story, has any meaning at all to their readership. I guess we can thank Glenn Beck for that state of affairs.

Maybe that can be a new, sarcastic twitter hashtag (#thanksglennbeck).

157 makeitstop  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:37:50pm

re: #150 darthstar

Okay...just got back from lunch (carnitas burrito)...what's going on with Boehner's impending failure? Has he achieved incompetence yet?

TPM says the vote will happen sometime after 6:00.

So, yeah, Boehner is still a fail-in-progress at this point.

158 Kragar  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:38:06pm

More turds of wisdom from Fischer's screed:

there is no constitutional impediment to withholding mosque-building permits. The First Amendment was intended by the Founders as a restraint exclusively on the reach and power of the central government. After all, the first word in the First Amendment is the word “Congress.” “Congress shall make no law...”

(We are talking here about the Constitution as established by the Founders, not the one that has been mangled out of recognition by activist judges.)

States are given, under our Constitution, virtually unlimited freedom to manage religious liberty affairs as they see fit. They even maintain the constitutional right to “establish” a church if they choose, that is, to pick one Christian denomination and make it the official church of their individual state. It would be a bad idea, but not unconstitutional.

159 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:38:16pm

I really hope this is real, and not just Weigel's normal lulziness:

[Link: twitter.com...]

@daveweigel
Barney Frank, on floor, says Boehner's theme song should be "It's My Party and I'll Cry if I Want To"

160 simoom  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:39:32pm

re: #156 simoom

Maybe the new verb can be used to bridge communication gaps between the parties :P... Example tweet:

House GOP trying to Alinsky Congress & States into passing BBA #tcot
161 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:39:54pm

re: #156 simoom

I find it hilarious that I grew up in San Francisco, have hung out with actual Berkeley whacko liberals, and the first time I ever heard of Alinsky was from Glenn Beck.

I can't tell if the Fox news viewers believe these conspiracy stories or just prefer to pretend they do.

Same difference, really.

162 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:42:18pm

re: #161 Obdicut

I find it hilarious that I grew up in San Francisco, have hung out with actual Berkeley whacko liberals, and the first time I ever heard of Alinsky was from Glenn Beck.

I can't tell if the Fox news viewers believe these conspiracy stories or just prefer to pretend they do.

Same difference, really.

The viewers, many of them anyway, really do believe this crap. I think most of the talking heads do too, really.

They committed the cardinal error, as immortalized by Notorious BIG: "Never get high on your own supply".

163 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:42:31pm

re: #152 Alexzander

This is true. It has also been used by the Black Panthers and other anti-authoritarian militant groups.
This is often attributed to the films unusual ability to reveal both sides. Of course, complete objectivity is impossible.
Incredible film.

It's just funny that the two times I've been offered it was from an anti-Vietnam war group and from the Pentagon.

164 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:46:14pm

re: #161 Obdicut

I find it hilarious that I grew up in San Francisco, have hung out with actual Berkeley whacko liberals, and the first time I ever heard of Alinsky was from Glenn Beck.

I can't tell if the Fox news viewers believe these conspiracy stories or just prefer to pretend they do.

Same difference, really.

Yeah, I don't know any libs who've even heard of Alinsky or Cloward-Piven. Not even the old aging hardcore hippies.

165 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:46:26pm

re: #161 Obdicut

I find it hilarious that I grew up in San Francisco, have hung out with actual Berkeley whacko liberals, and the first time I ever heard of Alinsky was from Glenn Beck.

I, on the other hand, worked for a 'community organization', was on the slow track to becoming a community organizer, and owned two books by Alinsky. However, I had not heard of Cloward, nor Piven.

166 makeitstop  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:47:21pm

All day I've been reading about how a ton of Republicans (Voinovich and Bartlett, Bill O'Reilly, Bob Corker, among others) are starting to push back against the Tea Partiers.

Things have gotten so completely unhinged that even that nutbag Allen West is going to be facing a primary challenge for supporting Boehner's bill from last night.

My question is this - do the Old Guard Republicans have enough left in the tank to deliver a smackdown to the TP contingent? Or is it just too late because they let the TP contingent get too much power too soon and can't stop them any more?

Is there any way to stop the crazy that is now in full gallop?

167 Alexzander  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:48:02pm

re: #164 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I don't know any libs who've even heard of Alinsky or Cloward-Piven. Not even the old aging hardcore hippies.

I too know more than my fair share of people on the far left end of the spectrum and I'd never heard of either.

168 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:48:05pm

re: #164 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I don't know any libs who've even heard of Alinsky or Cloward-Piven. Not even the old aging hardcore hippies.

Uh oh.

169 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:49:22pm

re: #168 wrenchwench

You win the libbiest lib award, I guess.

170 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:49:43pm

re: #166 makeitstop

At this point, I don't think so.

Odds are 50-50 that the Republicans go the way of the Federalists.

171 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:51:19pm

re: #169 Obdicut

You win the libbiest lib award, I guess.

Is that better than "old aging hardcore hippie"?

It was a particular career track, which I might have pursued further, had I know it could lead to POTUS.

172 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:51:20pm

re: #162 Fozzie Bear

The viewers, many of them anyway, really do believe this crap. I think most of the talking heads do too, really.

They committed the cardinal error, as immortalized by Notorious BIG: "Never get high on your own supply".

I thought that what was told to Tony Montana in Scarface...he didn't listen either.

173 po8crg  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:51:29pm

re: #133 Fozzie Bear

That would be a nightmare though. If someone changed their template, then every single page would show up as having changed. Nightmare to implement.

Also, all you have to do to break the app pointing at your website is put "Today's date is: XXX" on every page.

174 darthstar  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:52:06pm

re: #157 makeitstop

TPM says the vote will happen sometime after 6:00.

So, yeah, Boehner is still a fail-in-progress at this point.

Cool...I've got time to go home, run the dogs on the beach, and pick up a bottle of bourbon for the festivities.

175 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:52:28pm

re: #173 po8crg

Plus so much content is linked-- I mean, if a page ads a picture, how much of a change is that? It's not dependent on filesize, you'd have to actually evaluate that picture.

176 makeitstop  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:53:37pm

re: #170 ProLifeLiberal

At this point, I don't think so.

Odds are 50-50 that the Republicans go the way of the Federalists.

I have to say I've been around a long time and never expected to see the demise of a major political party in this country. But I guess it could happen.

I'm still gobsmacked over the Allen West thing. He was their dude at the start of the week due to his insult of Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, and by Friday they're ready to kick his ass to the curb. Just wild.

177 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:56:37pm

re: #166 makeitstop

All day I've been reading about how a ton of Republicans (Voinovich and Bartlett, Bill O'Reilly, Bob Corker, among others) are starting to push back against the Tea Partiers.

Things have gotten so completely unhinged that even that nutbag Allen West is going to be facing a primary challenge for supporting Boehner's bill from last night.

My question is this - do the Old Guard Republicans have enough left in the tank to deliver a smackdown to the TP contingent? Or is it just too late because they let the TP contingent get too much power too soon and can't stop them any more?

Is there any way to stop the crazy that is now in full gallop?

When Bill O'Reilly has become the leftmost fringe of a political party, I think it is safe to say the party is too far gone to ever come back. Does anybody else remember when O'Reilly was considered a right-wing loon? Now he's a moderate republican, practically a RINO, and it's not like he's gotten more liberal.

The GOP is beyond the reach of sanity as a party, and unfortunately, they still garner many millions of votes. I don't think it's a stretch to say that about 30% of the country, give or take, has completely lost touch with reality when it comes to politics and economics.

This kind of thing can't happen this quickly without a very well-funded propaganda campaign, sustained over the course of decades.

178 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 1:58:58pm

re: #176 makeitstop

I have to say I've been around a long time and never expected to see the demise of a major political party in this country. But I guess it could happen.

I'm still gobsmacked over the Allen West thing. He was their dude at the start of the week due to his insult of Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, and by Friday they're ready to kick his ass to the curb. Just wild.

They just want people they think are malleable. One false move, though, and they get the Condi-Colin treatment, with no hesitation. It's how pitchfork reactionaries operate.

179 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:01:37pm

I mentioned Breivik's Minsk connection some days ago.

Breivik ‘underwent paramilitary training in Belarus’

Norway’s twin terror suspect Anders Behring Breivik trained at a secret paramilitary field camp in Belarus earlier this year, a Belarusian opposition politician said on Thursday, citing security sources.

“Breivik visited Belarus several times. This spring, as part of his preparations for his twin attacks, he visited Minsk, where he underwent training at a secret paramilitary field camp,” Mikhail Reshetnikov, the head of the opposition Belarusian Party of Patriots, told the Gazeta.ru online newspaper.

He cited sources within Belarus’s “security organs.”

[…]

Reshetnikov also claimed Breivik had participated in “sabotage-terrorism drills” under a former Belarusian special service officer and that he had used a fake passport to enter Belarus.

“His codename in Belarus’s KGB was Viking,” he added. “Rumors say he also had a girlfriend in Belarus.”

“The theory that Belarus’ special forces were involved in training Anders Breivik seems, of course, far-fetched,” political expert Viktor Demidov was quoted by Gazeta.ru as saying.

[Link: en.rian.ru...]

180 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:01:38pm

re: #173 po8crg

That would be a nightmare though. If someone changed their template, then every single page would show up as having changed. Nightmare to implement.

Also, all you have to do to break the app pointing at your website is put "Today's date is: XXX" on every page.

You could have it evaluate the MD5sum or SHA of every DIV independently, and compare the checksum to one cached in a database, or something like that. (You are correct, though, it would be a horrifyingly difficult problem.) But keep in mind, this is where .diff files shine. They don't try to reproduce the whole file every time, just the changes. Look in to how git works.

re: #175 Obdicut

Plus so much content is linked-- I mean, if a page ads a picture, how much of a change is that? It's not dependent on filesize, you'd have to actually evaluate that picture.

Tineye has an algorithm that has partially solved that problem. (Not thet they are going to let anyone have it for free, but still.)

You guys are right, it would be a monstrously difficult problem. But it's not intractable. Just very hard.

181 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:02:13pm

re: #161 Obdicut

I find it hilarious that I grew up in San Francisco, have hung out with actual Berkeley whacko liberals, and the first time I ever heard of Alinsky was from Glenn Beck.

I can't tell if the Fox news viewers believe these conspiracy stories or just prefer to pretend they do.

Same difference, really.

Lol first time I'd ever heard of him was being outed as one, I believe by that true Einstein, @tah_deets or whatever his Twitter handle is.

I was like, lol dude...you're the one memorizing chapter and verse of stupid "Alinsky". Looks like you're the "radical".

Dumbasses...

182 blueraven  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:03:03pm

Much is being made of todays GDP report and the downward revisions for first quarter. Less mentioned is the that the report included revisons all the way back to 2007:

The picture grows bleaker the farther back one looks. BEA revised its national accounts numbers back to 2007 for this release, and the picture revealed is far darker than anyone previously believed. From 2007 to 2010, real output declined by 0.3% per year on average. Previously, BEA had estimated annual growth of 0.1% over that period. The decline in output during the intense period of financial crisis was significantly more severe than economists had thought. In 2008, the economy shrank 0.3%, rather than holding flat, as earlier estimated. In 2009, the economy shrank 3.5%, worse than the earlier 2.6% projection. During the ugliest months of the crisis, in the fourth quarter of 2008 and the first quarter of 2009, output declined at a shocking 8.9% and 6.7% annual pace, respectively. It is now clear that the American economy has yet to reattain its previous peak in real output, achieved three full years ago.

If nothing else, this awful report helps to solve a number of lingering mysteries concerning the crisis. Arguments that unemployment must be structural, given the failure of projected growth rates to generate new hiring, now look silly. Projected growth rates were simply overstated, and current unemployment is exactly what we'd expect given such a feeble recovery. Those overly optimistic assessments of the likely impact of interventions, from fiscal stimulus to QE, also make much more sense now. Policymakers were fighting a fire far more intense than they recognised.

[Link: www.economist.com...]

183 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:03:15pm

More foreign connections:

Norway Shooting Suspect Bought Ammo Clips in U.S.

Details have emerged on Breivik’s claim to have bought high-capacity ammunition clips used in the attack from the United States. In his sprawling manifesto, Breivik says he ordered 10 30-round clips from an undisclosed U.S.-based supplier, because they were considerably cheaper. The sale of high-capacity magazines had previously been illegal in the United States until the 1994 assault weapons ban expired in 2004. Speaking to Politico, Democratic Rep. Carolyn McCarthy of New York, a sponsor of a bill to renew the magazine limits, said, "There should be a lot of shame. We’re sending a death warrant to other parts of the world."

[Link: www.democracynow.org...]

184 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:03:20pm

re: #131 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Welcome to LGF, Mr. Lott.

185 Alexzander  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:03:41pm

Here's something a little out of the ordinary for LGF:

The following is a anarchist anti-nazi hip-song about the militarization of the US/Mexico boarder:

PAPERS By SHINING SOUL ( extended version)

186 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:03:53pm

re: #177 Fozzie Bear

It used to be that people at least understood that the Laffer curve, if it existed in the simple way it was posited (which, obviously, it doesn't) was a curve.

And yet very quickly after I heard it being talked about a lot, people started treating it as a line. Many people will unashamedly assert that lowering taxes always raises tax revenue, and that raising taxes can never increase them. Not only is this historically demonstrably false, but they cite the Laffer curve as a proof of this-- and ignore that it's a curve.

There are many, many things like that, I think, about economics. A shameful amount of those on the right wing don't know what progressive taxation is, or think that the rates are entirely different than what they are. Global warming was accepted by Bush-- and then suddenly acceptance of it went into reverse, as millions were spent on propaganda against it.

What I don't understand is the nihilism of those doing it. I can't explain it. All the explanations are pretty toxic.

187 Alexzander  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:04:44pm

re: #184 Sergey Romanov

Welcome to LGF, Mr. Lott.

For a second I was about to ask if registration was open...

188 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:05:25pm

Btw, I also read something about him having ordered pure nicotine from China to lace his bullets with and that he did receive the shipment. Does anyone know whether it's known if he did go through with that?

189 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:06:15pm

re: #180 Fozzie Bear

Tineye has an algorithm that has partially solved that problem. (Not thet they are going to let anyone have it for free, but still.)

You guys are right, it would be a monstrously difficult problem. But it's not intractable. Just very hard.

No, no, I mean that the picture contains information. Tineye won't tell you how much information the picture contains. There's no picture on there one day, and the next day there's a picture. How much has it changed?

Or a graph, or a citation that fully backs up a claim, etc. Imagine trying to evaluate the difference between a paper without any references and one with references. A reputation engine could possibly evaluate the links and see if they're going to good places, but you still have no idea if they actually support the argument being made unless you evaluate it, and that takes intelligence.

190 Olsonist  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:07:16pm

re: #173 po8crg

That would be a nightmare though. If someone changed their template, then every single page would show up as having changed. Nightmare to implement.

Also, all you have to do to break the app pointing at your website is put "Today's date is: XXX" on every page.

Web crawler's are much more sophisticated that that.

• First, they make a copy which they can work with locally: Google's cache. This is useful in its own right as a historical record.
• Second, they aren't interested in every web site, just the wackos. Really, that's not a lot of data.
• Third, you are only interested in content not structure.

Now you have a very manageable amount of data.

• Did a page change? Do an MD5 checksum and hash compare.
• Date changed? Filter that out.
• Key words, blogger identity.

Lastly, ignore the robots.txt and it's pretty easy hide your traces. Think of a distributed crawl. A website would be hard pressed to know it was being crawled.

You gotta know the Feds already have something much more sophisticated than this tracking AQ etc. And you gotta hope that Geller is on their list.

191 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:07:18pm

re: #189 Obdicut

And screwed up my tags. Sorry.

192 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:09:42pm

re: #179 000G

[Link: www.gazeta.ru...]

According to Reshetnikov's version the Norwegian has undergone "subversive and terrorist training" under a certain 51-year-old Valeria Lunev (Lunyov?), a former colonel of the Belarusian secret services, who lives in the Netherlands, but regularly comes to Belarus. "To Poland Breivik was getting with his own passport, he crossed the border with Belarus with the passport of another country in Europe. His operative nickname in the Belarusian KGB - Viking. According to rumors, in Belarus he still has a girlfriend and, again according to rumors, recently she got some money, "- continues Reshetnikov.

All rumors, secret sources, coming from opposition - about two tons of salt recommended.

193 Bulworth  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:09:47pm

re: #166 makeitstop

All day I've been reading about how a ton of Republicans (Voinovich and Bartlett, Bill O'Reilly, Bob Corker, among others) are starting to push back against the Tea Partiers.

Things have gotten so completely unhinged that even that nutbag Allen West is going to be facing a primary challenge for supporting Boehner's bill from last night.

My question is this - do the Old Guard Republicans have enough left in the tank to deliver a smackdown to the TP contingent? Or is it just too late because they let the TP contingent get too much power too soon and can't stop them any more?

Is there any way to stop the crazy that is now in full gallop?

Took today off from work, which meant TV watching, which unfortunately exposed me to the wankery on CNBC, which is all out teabaggery. I wonder how they like their defaults, medium or well done?

194 makeitstop  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:10:39pm

Birds of a Feather Dep't: Islamophobic Conspiracy Theorist Frank Gaffney Advising Michele Bachmann On Foreign Policy

That oughta be good for a few laughs come debate time.

195 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:10:48pm

re: #188 000G

Btw, I also read something about him having ordered pure nicotine from China to lace his bullets with and that he did receive the shipment. Does anyone know whether it's known if he did go through with that?

Not that he did it, but his slideshow includes a photo of him mimicing some kind of 'injection' into a rifle round. Oddly, he is wearing a full hazmat ensemble, minus gloves. IIRC, nicotine is percutaneous.

196 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:11:54pm

re: #194 makeitstop

Considering that Gaffney appears alot in the terrorist's manifesto, I see a new line of criticism against Bachmann.

Democrats, use it!

197 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:12:52pm

re: #185 Alexzander

I don't think "no borders" is a good option when the Zetas are on the other side. (OK, they're on both sides, but they don't operate with impunity on the US side.)

And I don't think the Border Patrol is made up of racists.

198 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:13:09pm

re: #184 Sergey Romanov

Welcome to LGF, Mr. Lott.

Hey don't blame me for those dogs and waterhoses! Those criminals incited us by not staying on their own side of town like we told them!!

199 makeitstop  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:13:24pm

re: #196 ProLifeLiberal

Considering that Gaffney appears alot in the terrorist's manifesto, I see a new line of criticism against Bachmann.

Democrats, use it!

I'd keep that powder dry in the unlikely event she gets the nomination, then use it.

200 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:13:33pm

re: #95 talon_262

AFAIK, "moonbats" have always referred to left-wing nutjobs (example: Cynthia McKinney, George Galloway, etc.), just as "wingnuts" refer to right-wing nutjobs.

I think initially it was a term for any person not sensible enough to follow on his/her beliefs to unpalatable extremes. Only then it acquired leftish tones. At least that's what I read.

201 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:14:58pm

re: #186 Obdicut

It's the inverse of Freidman's credo, "a rising tide lifts all boats". I always felt that line was bullshit, but I understood the reasoning. If the pie is growing, then any proportional slice of the pie would also grow. Sure, it's a massive oversimplification of a complicated system, but it makes a sort of intuitive sense. (It's also a hand-waving dismissal of Marx's observations regarding the inherent dangers of capitalism, but that's another issue. It's now 'safe' to dismiss Marx out of hand, because of the failure of communism, just as it is now 'safe' to dismiss AGW, because the oceans aren't on fire yet, or something.)

When the tide starts going out, and the pie starts shrinking, if you have a large slice of the pie, does it make sense from a point of view of pure self-interest to give away some of your pie for the greater good, assuming nobody else is going to do so? I would assert that even though it makes sense from a global perspective to let go of some of your slice of pie in a contractual arrangement with all the other slice-holders, in an effort to start the pie growing again, it does not make sense to do so as a solo effort.

The social contract only encourages socially productive behavior if it is enforced with some kind of punishment for antisocial behavior. A "self-regulated" social contract is doomed to failure. So here we are, fighting over crumbs, rather than fixing the integrity of the entire pie.

There's not even any individual player to blame, really. It's just what happens when people forget that greed is only good (productive) when tempered by rules.

I'm sure any minute somebody will come along and say that capitalism is perfect, and the problem is over-regulation. I have no response to that, other than "thanks for fucking us all with your idiocy".

202 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:15:41pm

re: #60 Sergey Romanov

If you google the paragraph. you will see it has been quoted by some in the last few days, incl. freeperdom. The date can be calculated from there. She edited it today.

Being quoted favourably at FR should be an automatic disqualification of ... something ... everything.

203 Idle Drifter  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:16:32pm

re: #194 makeitstop

Birds of a Feather Dep't: Islamophobic Conspiracy Theorist Frank Gaffney Advising Michele Bachmann On Foreign Policy

That oughta be good for a few laughs come debate time.

That thumping sound is my head going through the wall. I'm trying to dull the pain but I'm running out of walls!

204 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:16:59pm

re: #202 b_sharp

Being quoted favourably at FR should be an automatic disqualification of ... something ... everything.

I don't think it was favorable. And a couple of freepers even surprised me by condemning Geller.

205 darthstar  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:17:27pm

The biggest difference between the GOP and North Korea is that the North Koreans aren't trying to destroy our economy.

Two days of exploratory talks between the U.S. and North Korea ended Friday with North Korea's envoy describing them as "constructive and businesslike" and expressing hope for continued talks.

Vice Foreign Minister Kim Kye Gwan, emerging from the meeting with U.S. Ambassador Stephen Bosworth, the Obama administration's top envoy on North Korean affairs, characterized the talks as positive.

"Yesterday and today we discussed comprehensively, with Mr. Bosworth, (matters) of mutual interest," he said. "The talks were very constructive and businesslike and we continue to maintain contacts."

That, and the North Koreans sound sane by comparison.

206 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:19:58pm

I'm tired of waiting for Geller's response. Suspense. Damned if she does, damned if she doesn't.

207 darthstar  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:21:11pm

re: #206 Sergey Romanov

I'm tired of waiting for Geller's response. Suspense. Damned if she does, damned if she doesn't.

She's probably busy eating a puppy.

208 makeitstop  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:21:32pm

re: #206 Sergey Romanov

I'm tired of waiting for Geller's response. Suspense. Damned if she does, damned if she doesn't.

She hasn't finished the whole bottle of gin writing it yet.

209 Idle Drifter  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:21:51pm

re: #206 Sergey Romanov

I'm tired of waiting for Geller's response. Suspense. Damned if she does, damned if she doesn't.

She could surprise all us by saying she's sorry and that she was wrong in backing extremists.

/I would say when Hell freezes over but I'm from Michigan.

210 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:23:06pm

re: #207 darthstar

She's probably busy eating a puppy.

When she finishes, the crow is ready.

211 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:25:15pm

re: #204 Sergey Romanov

I don't think it was favorable. And a couple of freepers even surprised me by condemning Geller.

Who were quickly banished to the blog equivalent of Siberia, I imagine.

212 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:25:22pm

re: #199 makeitstop

Very good point. Use it only when needed.

Also, I'm pretty sure that a similar person will inevitably be an adviser for the eventual Republican Nominee.

So the Democrats should hold it till after the primaries.

213 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:25:48pm

This post is spreading.

214 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:28:50pm

re: #189 Obdicut

A git-like difference evaluator would only note that a reference to an image was added. It wouldn't try to extract any meaning from it. Similarly, if a line was deleted, it would only note the deletion of X number of lines starting at line number Y.

I wasn't implying that you could extract meaning from it directly, just that it would provide a compact and efficient way to track changes over time without losing any of the "original" information (i.e., the state of the document at the point in time you started tracking it.)

Look at the way the *nix utility diff works. Git does the same thing, but recursively over a directory, rather than on a single file.

There's no reason you couldn't apply that concept to a serialized representation of a website.

That's the idea I was going for. I son't see any fundamental problem with it apart from one: It would have to assume that each "page" retains a static naming convention, or else it wouldn't work. So, it would work on some websites (fully RESTful ones) but not others. The issue of the loss of semantic meaning isn't something such a utility would even attempt to deal with. It would just track changes.

Am I making sense? (I mean, it makes sense to me, but am I conveying the idea?)

215 makeitstop  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:29:15pm

re: #213 wrenchwench

This post is spreading.

Gotta love it.

Pamz has probably thrown her laptop down the laundry chute and is now in her living room, eyes darting, looking for a way out from under this.

216 Mickey Blumental  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:30:09pm

re: #206 Sergey Romanov

I'm tired of waiting for Geller's response. Suspense. Damned if she does, damned if she doesn't.

There's nothing she can say or do, so she is just going to ignore it and wait for the embarrassment to fade away a little. Her loyal fanbase won't mind and outside of her fanbase it's not like she has any credibility left to hurt anyway.

217 freetoken  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:31:26pm

re: #182 blueraven

That is an important article and deserves its own Page.

What we've been part of these past few years is a large scale restructuring of the world economy and in particular life in these United States.

Anyone who insists are looking at short term numbers (of this or that sort) miss the big picture: what it means to "live" and "work" changes, and we appear to be in a time where more modest "aspirations" are called for, vice the images pumped at us 24/7 by the marketing machines.

218 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:31:58pm

re: #213 wrenchwench

This post is spreading.

I like this line - "Specifically, according to former conservative blogger turned reasonable person, Little Green Footballs (LGF) founder Charles Johnson, ..."

219 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:34:57pm

Debbie Schlussel finally comes out on Breivik and fulfills all expectations of uttermost vile bigotted group"think":

These kids who were killed by a terrorist . . . well, they sided with Islamic terrorists.

[…]

For me, this is like Alien v. Predator. I’m not sad for either side. And I make no apologies for it. Now these kids’ families know what it feels like to be victims of the Islamic terrorists whose Judenrein boycotts and terrorist flotillas against Israel they support.

[…]

My late grandfather, a Holocaust survivor, never shed a tear for dead Nazis. My late father, a Vietnam era Army veteran, never shed a tear for those who supported the killing of Americans and Jews. And I shed no tears for these HAMASnik campers with a Scandinavian dialect. Perpetrators are not victims. Sorry. HAMAS collaborators don’t get my pity. They never will.

[Link: www.debbieschlussel.com...]

220 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:35:04pm

re: #218 b_sharp

I like this line - "Specifically, according to former conservative blogger turned reasonable person, Little Green Footballs (LGF) founder Charles Johnson, ..."

Click on the 'Charles Johnson' tag to see the same guy's post from the "Why I parted with the Right" days.

221 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:35:52pm

re: #219 000G

OMG. She didn't hold back.

222 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:35:53pm

re: #219 000G

Debbie Schlussel finally comes out on Breivik and fulfills all expectations of uttermost vile bigotted group"think":

[Link: www.debbieschlussel.com...]

Yeah I'd noticed her very conspicuous silence.

Oh well, she never disappoints. What a tool.

223 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:36:18pm

re: #218 b_sharp

I like this line - "Specifically, according to former conservative blogger turned reasonable person, Little Green Footballs (LGF) founder Charles Johnson, ..."

lol!

That's a backhanded compliment if I ever saw one.

224 makeitstop  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:37:40pm

re: #219 000G

Debbie Schlussel finally comes out on Breivik and fulfills all expectations of uttermost vile bigotted group"think":

Vile woman.
/stewie

225 Gus  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:37:53pm

re: #215 makeitstop

Gotta love it.

Pamz has probably thrown her laptop down the laundry chute and is now in her living room, eyes darting, looking for a way out from under this.

Why! Why Why!

226 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:38:07pm

re: #219 000G

Debbie Schlussel finally comes out on Breivik and fulfills all expectations of uttermost vile bigotted group"think":

[Link: www.debbieschlussel.com...]

That crap - she's been saving it for a long time. What a !@##$%^^ human being.

227 albusteve  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:38:41pm

re: #195 Decatur Deb

Not that he did it, but his slideshow includes a photo of him mimicing some kind of 'injection' into a rifle round. Oddly, he is wearing a full hazmat ensemble, minus gloves. IIRC, nicotine is percutaneous.

bunch of dramatic bullshit....nobody is fool enough to go through all that, it's fantasy

228 darthstar  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:39:08pm

re: #213 wrenchwench

This post is spreading.

Couldn't happen to a nicer gal.

229 darthstar  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:41:18pm

Fucking Boehner and his "fuck the poor" mentality...he's such a lowlife cocksucker it's not even funny.

Breaking a 26-year policy of exempting basic low-income entitlement programs from across-the-board cuts, both of the House Republican plans — “Cut, Cap, and Balance” Act and Boehner’s debt-ceiling proposal — “drop all of the low-income exemptions that have been part of every previous across-the-board cut mechanism since 1985.[...]
230 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:42:21pm

re: #219 000G

Debbie Schlussel finally comes out on Breivik and fulfills all expectations of uttermost vile bigotted group"think":

[Link: www.debbieschlussel.com...]

Wow...just.fucking.WOW!

This is one reason tarring-and-feathering should have never gone out of fashion.

231 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:42:22pm

re: #200 Sergey Romanov

I think initially it was a term for any person not sensible enough to follow on his/her beliefs to unpalatable extremes. Only then it acquired leftish tones. At least that's what I read.

IIRC it gained in popularity against Jerry Brown during his first term as governor. New-age California/dirty hippie/head-in-the-clouds/flake connotations.

232 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:42:53pm

re: #222 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yeah I'd noticed her very conspicuous silence.

Oh well, she never disappoints. What a tool.

And it goes on:

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

Too lazy to quote. Guh.

233 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:44:03pm

I just paged the BBA. Nuttier than I though it would be. Bad idea by a country mile.

234 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:44:41pm

re: #227 albusteve

bunch of dramatic bullshit...nobody is fool enough to go through all that, it's fantasy

You could have said the same about all of the stuff we know about that he did go through with.

235 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:45:07pm

re: #214 Fozzie Bear

A git-like difference evaluator would only note that a reference to an image was added. It wouldn't try to extract any meaning from it. Similarly, if a line was deleted, it would only note the deletion of X number of lines starting at line number Y.

I wasn't implying that you could extract meaning from it directly, just that it would provide a compact and efficient way to track changes over time without losing any of the "original" information (i.e., the state of the document at the point in time you started tracking it.)

But you have no idea whether changes were significant or not. And if anyone wanted to spoof it, it'd be incredibly easy. And depending on the way a webpage was set up, it could have more or fewer changes on it by that alone.

I'm really not trying to dissuade you; I could be wrong. I'm not an expert. I'm just offering honest criticism. It's a very intriguing idea but I think it runs into the natural language problem.

236 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:45:58pm

re: #233 Rightwingconspirator

I just paged the BBA. Nuttier than I though it would be. Bad idea by a country mile.

Yeah. Basically, a BBA would recreate this crisis over and over.

Not smart.

237 makeitstop  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:46:38pm

re: #231 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

IIRC it gained in popularity against Jerry Brown during his first term as governor. New-age California/dirty hippie/head-in-the-clouds/flake connotations.

Didn't they call him 'Governor Moonbeam?'

(Not that 'moonbat' wouldn't have served just as well.)

238 albusteve  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:47:33pm

re: #234 000G

You could have said the same about all of the stuff we know about that he did go through with.

not really...he's gonna go shoot kids at point blank range, there is no need to poison hundreds of bullets...just creating another stupid myth

239 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:47:55pm

re: #237 makeitstop

Yes. Because of some really excellent ideas he had for California having its own satellite communications for first responders.

It was a very good idea. No clue why it got him lambasted.

240 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:48:16pm

re: #219 000G

Debbie Schlussel finally comes out on Breivik and fulfills all expectations of uttermost vile bigotted group"think":

[Link: www.debbieschlussel.com...]

Man, keep your kids away from that crazy freak

I wonder if Debbie Schlussel has some eight-year-olds steeping in a cauldron in her basement

241 makeitstop  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:49:08pm

re: #240 WindUpBird

Man, keep your kids away from that crazy freak

I wonder if Debbie Schlussel has some eight-year-olds steeping in a cauldron in her basement

That was lunch. Kittens and puppies are in there now. They're on the dinner menu.
/half

242 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:50:07pm

re: #229 darthstar

Fucking Boehner and his "fuck the poor" mentality...he's such a lowlife cocksucker it's not even funny.

But, the poor aren't really poor - they have refrigerators and air conditioning.

243 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:50:35pm

re: #227 albusteve

bunch of dramatic bullshit...nobody is fool enough to go through all that, it's fantasy

Yes--he's acting out in the photos. If he had used a toxin, the info would be most likely be out from the Norwegian medics. That kind of BS is not hard to find in the nutjob how-to manuals, however.

244 Gus  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:50:36pm

re: #239 Obdicut

Yes. Because of some really excellent ideas he had for California having its own satellite communications for first responders.

It was a very good idea. No clue why it got him lambasted.

How Jerry Brown Became ‘Governor Moonbeam’

245 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:51:30pm

Seems I was right about moonbat not being partisan.

246 makeitstop  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:51:33pm

I'm reading TPM's feed of the debt ceiling vote.

Boehner just cannot stop himself from lying about, well, everything.

"I stuck my neck out a mile" to try to get an agreement with President Obama.

"I put revenues on the table," Boehner said.

You lie!

247 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:51:38pm

re: #242 b_sharp

But, the poor aren't really poor - they have refrigerators and air conditioning.

And he's preparing to change that, for those that do.

248 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:52:53pm

re: #238 albusteve

not really...he's gonna go shoot kids at point blank range, there is no need to poison hundreds of bullets...just creating another stupid myth

There was no "need" to shoot up the kids at point blank either. Or to shoot a couple more dozens after the first few dozens. I don't think you have any real handle on the guy's modus operandi or psyche.

249 darthstar  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:53:16pm

re: #246 makeitstop

I'm reading TPM's feed of the debt ceiling vote.

Boehner just cannot stop himself from lying about, well, everything.

You lie!

I'd love to see Obama, when asked about Boehner's revenues offer, say, "Well, that's a lie." Though he'll probably say, "That's simply not true." which is close enough.

250 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:53:24pm

re: #245 Sergey Romanov

Seems I was right about moonbat not being partisan.

It's been something of an internal Lizard convention, though, to make MB=left and WN=right.

251 albusteve  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:53:39pm

I bet the old drug tests for welfare recipients is gonna come up again

252 Spocomptonite  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:53:46pm

re: #242 b_sharp

But, the poor aren't really poor - they have refrigerators and air conditioning.

Republican definition of "poor" are the people living in serf-like conditions from 14-century Feudal Europe. Everyone else that complains about being poor is living EXTRAVAGANTLY.

253 albusteve  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:54:13pm

re: #248 000G

There was no "need" to shoot up the kids at point blank either. Or to shoot a couple more dozens after the first few dozens. I don't think you have any real handle on the guy's modus operandi or psyche.

I think you think too much

254 Spocomptonite  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:54:28pm

re: #251 albusteve

I bet the old drug tests for welfare recipients is gonna come up again

Only when we do drug testing before every senate/house session.

255 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:54:49pm

re: #253 albusteve

I think you think too much

It's true :-(

256 Gus  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:55:13pm

re: #242 b_sharp

But, the poor aren't really poor - they have refrigerators and air conditioning.

...

I heard some of those pampered bastards even have running water!!11ty

257 darthstar  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:55:26pm

Well, so much for leaving work early...the House is voting on the Democrats' motion to recommit - 15 minutes - then Boehner's bill gets its vote (I hope a bunch of Republicans change their minds and vote "No" just to fuck with him).

258 Gus  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:56:15pm

re: #250 Decatur Deb

It's been something of an internal Lizard convention, though, to make MB=left and WN=right.

Works for me. Especially when Queers for Palestine and International A.N.S.W.E.R. show up.

259 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:56:31pm

re: #252 Spocomptonite

Republican definition of "poor" are the people living in serf-like conditions from 14-century Feudal Europe. Everyone else that complains about being poor is living EXTRAVAGANTLY.

Owning a 1967 VW Microbus that has to be push started is living the good life.

260 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:57:30pm

re: #259 b_sharp

Owning a 1967 VW Microbus that has to be push started is living the good life.

Competent poor people know to park on the top of the slope.

261 makeitstop  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:57:35pm

Newly elected Rep. Kathy Hochul is offering an amendment to the debt limit bill to cut oil subsidies and tax breaks for corporate jets.

Can't blame a girl for trying, I guess.

262 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:57:44pm

re: #256 Gus 802

...

Tell me it isn't so - they can afford waterfalls?

263 albusteve  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:58:38pm

re: #249 darthstar

I'd love to see Obama, when asked about Boehner's revenues offer, say, "Well, that's a lie." Though he'll probably say, "That's simply not true." which is close enough.

the entire thing is so convoluted now that a lot of it is cya....Boehners plan sucks, the McConnell plan sucks, BO has no plan....this is govt dysfunction I rave about now and again....all the players are fucking idiots

264 albusteve  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 2:59:00pm

re: #255 000G

It's true :-(

that's cool

265 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:00:38pm

Whimsical research can lead to interesting materials. First the quote:

In the years following the American Revolution, newspapers had stagnated; they
tended to be party papers, propaganda machines for the two dominant political parties, or
financial papers which reported on the marketplace. It was not until the 1830s that America
witnessed the rise of the Penny Press, a series of cheap daily papers that revolutionized and
revitalized American newspapers in Jacksonian America. Yet two years after the first penny
daily came the Moon Hoax of 1835, the most successful and sustained hoax in the history of
American journalism. Chapter Two looks at the Moon Hoax, a series of articles that appeared
in the New York Sun at the end of August, 1835. This hoax demonstrated, beyond doubt, that
sensational, fabricated stories could radically expand a newspaper's sales and circulations.
The articles realistically mimicked early nineteenth century astronomical discourses, and
convinced readers, editors, and even some scholars, that the moon was inhabited by
fantastical living creatures, including a civilization of bat-like hominids. When the story was
exposed as a hoax, there was little public outrage; in fact, many readers and editors alike
commended the Sun for its ingeniousness and creativity.

And here is the link:

[Link: gradworks.umi.com...]

It seems to be a very interesting thesis on hoaxes in the American press. Be careful, an enormous PDF.

266 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:01:39pm

re: #252 Spocomptonite

Republican definition of "poor" are the people living in serf-like conditions from 14-century Feudal Europe. Everyone else that complains about being poor is living EXTRAVAGANTLY.

Don't even have to go back that far, just maybe back the the late 19th-early 20th century, before unions had a good foothold, before the modern worker protections we enjoy, and when poor people of all races, genders, and persuasions knew their places (which was under the thumb of their slave-driving employers).

267 Bulworth  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:02:22pm

Does anybody know what Boner did to get the teabaggers on board? Was it just a BBA vote, or Pell Grant cuts, or both?

268 Funky_Gibbon  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:04:17pm

OT:

This evening in the UK on Newsnight, the premier current affairs programme on the BBC, they are talking about the US debt crisis and they've just gone to an interview with Sharron Angle. The very first thing she did, before answering the interviewer's question to her, was hold up a copy of her book and publicise it.

What a classy person she is...

269 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:04:22pm

re: #265 Sergey Romanov

When the story was exposed as a hoax, there was little public outrage; in fact, many readers and editors alike commended the Sun for its ingeniousness and creativity.

And it's always been like that. Even before there was a printing press. People love a good story much more than they love the truth. Meh.

270 Gus  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:05:10pm

Oh brother...

@big_gubberment Big Gubberment
RT @thinkprogress: VIDEO: Fox News host puts scare quotes around "the president" while discussing Obama. [Link: bit.ly...] #Classy

271 albusteve  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:05:17pm

“Barack Obama and his mission has failed because it lacked a certain kind of moral courage, a kind of moral vision . . . a kind of courage we are in need of,” said the King of Calypso.

even this old commie is unhappy with BO....says a lot

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

272 darthstar  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:05:50pm

From dKos:

The motion to recommit offered by Democrats, and presented on the floor by the newest member, Kathy Hochul, is forcing Republicans to vote to eliminate corporate jet, oil company tax breaks. Which of course, they will not vote to do.

Heh...fuck you, GOP.

273 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:06:10pm

re: #268 Funky_Gibbon

OT:

This evening in the UK on Newsnight, the premier current affairs programme on the BBC, they are talking about the US debt crisis and they've just gone to an interview with Sharron Angle. The very first thing she did, before answering the interviewer's question to her, was hold up a copy of her book and publicise it.

What a classy person she is...

Sharron Angle? Wasn't Pee Wee Herman available?

274 albusteve  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:06:52pm

re: #272 darthstar

From dKos:

Heh...fuck you, GOP.

cocksuckers!

275 darthstar  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:08:07pm

re: #274 albusteve

cocksuckers!


Now you're learnin'...

276 darthstar  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:08:42pm
277 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:10:03pm

re: #276 darthstar

Image: boner1.gif

And.. then...that's when...
THEY STOLED MAH BUKET!
*WAAAHHH*

278 darthstar  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:11:37pm

So far, eleven Republicans have voted NO.

279 darthstar  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:11:54pm
280 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:12:18pm

re: #276 darthstar

Image: boner1.gif

Oldie but goodie: Image: funnycomic_jokersboner.jpg

281 Gus  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:13:35pm

Pamela Geller's Followers Go Nuts (Or Are Nuts, or Something)
By Jeffery Goldberg

Please, nutty people, leave my e-mail inbox alone! I've been flooded with mail from defenders of Pamela Geller, the shrieking bigot who thinks all Muslims are evil, that Muslims live under her bed, that Muslims short-sheeted her bed at summer camp, and so on. Here is one such letter:

Pamela Geller is right, you want to see America and Israel destroyed. Why do you love Muslims so much? Are you a secret Muslim?

Read it man!

282 darthstar  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:14:10pm

Damn...it's going to pass the house...only 16 votes needed out of 28

283 Gus  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:15:08pm

re: #282 darthstar

Damn...it's going to pass the house...only 16 votes needed out of 28

It's still dead in the Senate.

284 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:15:22pm

re: #281 Gus 802

Respect to Mr. Goldberg.

285 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:15:34pm

Pretty interesting report by the Federation of American Scientists: NORWAY’S ANDERS BREIVIK: WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND THE POLITICS OF CULTURAL DESPAIR

Even when considered in isolation of the Oslo bombing and the rampage of death visited upon Utoya Island, Breivik’s treatise precipitates profound concerns. First, the question of co-conspirators. Numerous sections of the treatise mention ideologically aligned clandestine military cells that, within the larger struggle of resisting the Islamization of Europe, presently seek CBRN capabilities. Assuming the existence of such cells, it is entirely possible that the attacks in Oslo and Utoya Island and supposed extant and forthcoming attempts to secure, weaponize, and deliver certain CBRN agents are directly linked in a campaign of violent revolution the opening salvos of which began in earnest on July 22.

Second, and far more plausible, is the likely role Breivik’s treatise will serve imparting CBRN knowledge, tactics, and goals to others. Unlike other extremist manuals dealing with the acquisition, handling, and delivery of CBRN agents,88 Breivik’s writings lay bare a poorly kept yet supremely important “secret”: that the use—or credible threat of use—of even non-lethal CBRN agents (either due to the agents quantity or quality) is likely enough to generate widespread panic and devastating regional and global economic consequences. Moreover, Breivik correctly challenges conventional thinking by observing that CBRN can be used on a tactical level. Indeed, two of the most notable instances of CBRN terrorism, the 1984 Salmonella poisoning (Salmonellosis) incident perpetrated by members of the Rajneeshee group and Aum Shinrikyō’s 1995 Tokyo subway sarin gas attack, were triggered by the perceived need to address immediate concerns (as opposed to the groups’ strategic goals.)89 Dismissing Breivik’s “WMD idea” as “not realistic” dangerously overlooks important nuances that give his CBRN impulses added validity and applicability to subsequent violent extremists.90

via [Link: www.globalsecuritynewswire.org...]

286 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:15:56pm

re: #271 albusteve

“Barack Obama and his mission has failed because it lacked a certain kind of moral courage, a kind of moral vision . . . a kind of courage we are in need of,” said the King of Calypso.

even this old commie is unhappy with BO...says a lot

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Well, good...if a moonbat like Harry Belefonte AND the wingnuts don't like how President Obama's doing, it either means he's totally screwing things up (which I don't think is happening) or he's hitting it over the plate more often than not.

287 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:15:58pm

re: #271 albusteve

Most communists would hate Obama. It says very little. I have no idea why you think otherwise.

288 albusteve  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:16:57pm

re: #287 Obdicut

Most communists would hate Obama. It says very little. I have no idea why you think otherwise.

dwell on it

289 makeitstop  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:17:14pm

re: #287 Obdicut

Most communists would hate Obama. It says very little. I have no idea why you think otherwise.

Any port in a storm.

290 Gus  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:17:33pm

re: #284 Sergey Romanov

Respect to Mr. Goldberg.

I love it... more...

You got me! I am a secret Muslim. Well, not a secret one anymore. I'm actually known in Occupied Palestine as Abu Tsuris. I was a summer intern with Hamas (in the press office) and I'm hoping to get my M.A. in Shari'a from al-Azhar University, where I also play for the lacrosse team.

291 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:18:06pm

re: #290 Gus 802

I've read the whole thing. Very eloquent.

292 darthstar  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:18:44pm

re: #283 Gus 802

It's still dead in the Senate.

Pyrrhic victory for Boehner...shit happens.

293 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:19:01pm

re: #243 Decatur Deb

Yes--he's acting out in the photos. If he had used a toxin, the info would be most likely be out from the Norwegian medics. That kind of BS is not hard to find in the nutjob how-to manuals, however.

All I found was this:

A police source in Oslo told the Daily Mail: ‘We still have to find out whether he did use the nicotine, and toxicology tests on the victims will give us the answer.

‘But his planning appears so meticulous that we fear he may have used the chemicals in this way. We would not put anything past this man.’

Based on the actual reporting, the headline they use is bullshit. But hey, that's the Daily Mail for you: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

294 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:19:29pm

re: #288 albusteve

dwell on it

Putin, the authoritarian, wanted Bush to win reelection.
Don't dwell on it. Outside opinions on our Pres is rather meaningless.
;)

295 Bulworth  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:20:52pm

re: #292 darthstar

Pyrrhic victory for Boehner...shit happens.

But what choice do Obama and Reid have? We're practically out of time and the John Birch House has just given notice it will shoot the hostage if its bill isn't accepted.

296 makeitstop  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:22:30pm

Okay, Boehner's little waste of time has crossed the 217 vote threshold. On to the slaughterhouse Senate!

297 Bulworth  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:23:22pm

re: #296 makeitstop

Okay, Boehner's little waste of time has crossed the 217 vote threshold. On to the slaughterhouse Senate!

Any teabags vote No?

298 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:24:12pm

re: #271 albusteve

“Barack Obama and his mission has failed because it lacked a certain kind of moral courage, a kind of moral vision . . . a kind of courage we are in need of,” said the King of Calypso.

even this old commie is unhappy with BO...says a lot

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

What does it say? This, still, old commie is not one I would expect you to be quoting for wisdom.

299 albusteve  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:24:16pm

re: #294 Varek Raith

Putin, the authoritarian, wanted Bush to win reelection.
Don't dwell on it. Outside opinions on our Pres is rather meaningless.
;)

especially criticism of him...anything even close gets snarked off here...it's pretty entertaining....funny how some half obscure pundit or unknown poster can command so much attention tho if they are a republican or hostile to CJ....heh...an occasional poke at your hero is harmless enough until you want to blow it up into some issue, as you will

300 makeitstop  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:25:30pm

re: #297 Bulworth

Any teabags vote No?

18 'nays' on the R side.

No 'yeas' from any Democrat, though.

When they announced that the bill passed, nobody cheered.

301 blueraven  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:25:35pm

re: #217 freetoken

That is an important article and deserves its own Page.

What we've been part of these past few years is a large scale restructuring of the world economy and in particular life in these United States.

Anyone who insists are looking at short term numbers (of this or that sort) miss the big picture: what it means to "live" and "work" changes, and we appear to be in a time where more modest "aspirations" are called for, vice the images pumped at us 24/7 by the marketing machines.

Done! Thanks...my first!

302 albusteve  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:25:41pm

re: #298 Naso Tang

What does it say? This, still, old commie is not one I would expect you to be quoting for wisdom.

but Geller is?...explain that...I don't post his words for wisdom, I post it so you will respond

303 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:27:13pm

re: #299 albusteve

especially criticism of him...anything even close gets snarked off here...it's pretty entertaining...funny how some half obscure pundit or unknown poster can command so much attention tho if they are a republican or hostile to CJ...heh...an occasional poke at your hero is harmless enough until you want to blow it up into some issue, as you will

Yeah, I get you.

How's the prosthesis coming along?

304 makeitstop  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:27:15pm

Does this vote mean that the TP will mount 218 primary challenges next year?

305 Bulworth  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:27:20pm

re: #300 makeitstop

18 'nays' on the R side.

No 'yeas' from any Democrat, though.

When they announced that the bill passed, nobody cheered.

Thanks. I'm on my home, i.e. slow computer and it doesn't handle multiple windows being open very well.

306 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:27:46pm

re: #300 makeitstop

18 'nays' on the R side.

No 'yeas' from any Democrat, though.

When they announced that the bill passed, nobody cheered.

It's an ugly sausage. However, no sausages are pretty.

307 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:27:48pm

re: #299 albusteve

especially criticism of him...anything even close gets snarked off here...it's pretty entertaining...funny how some half obscure pundit or unknown poster can command so much attention tho if they are a republican or hostile to CJ...heh...an occasional poke at your hero is harmless enough until you want to blow it up into some issue, as you will

Actually, in this case I think it is you who commanded the attention by (appearing) giving weight to someone nobody else would.

308 albusteve  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:28:50pm

re: #303 Varek Raith

Yeah, I get you.

How's the prosthesis coming along?

Aug 12th....somebody died and put those guys behind...it's been like forever, I can't seem to catch a break except I'm alive

309 Gus  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:29:37pm

Julian Assange: Phone-hacking advocate

[...]

Assange piled on:

So I feel that it was just disgraceful that the Guardian wasted its time on that issue, just disgraceful and all they ended up doing was producing a climate that increased the amount of regulation of actually even more important investigative journalism. I mean, the jumping up and down about the fact that News of the World had not actually just reprinted an AP newswire or stolen something from somewhere else or reprinted a press release, but they’d actually done original investigative work about people in this society that its readers were genuinely interested in.

[...]

There you have it. Assange, not surprisingly, sides with NOTW and Murdoch.

310 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:30:11pm

re: #309 Gus 802

Julian Assange: Phone-hacking advocate

There you have it. Assange, not surprisingly, sides with NOTW and Murdoch.

Of course he did.
What a douche.

311 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:30:20pm

re: #301 blueraven

Done! Thanks...my first!

You forgot the link.

312 makeitstop  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:30:33pm

Update for Bulworth: TPM now says 22 Rs voted no.

313 albusteve  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:30:45pm

re: #307 Naso Tang

Actually, in this case I think it is you who commanded the attention by (appearing) giving weight to someone nobody else would.

just a reminder for you....I play everything I can down the middle...I have zero allegiance to either party

314 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:30:47pm

re: #302 albusteve

but Geller is?...explain that...I don't post his words for wisdom, I post it so you will respond

Ah. I think I just addressed that in my prior post.

Blogs have more weight these days, even this one, so discussing them is no different from doing so about a newspaper, although I admit Geller stuff gets tiresome sometimes; but you know, it's not our blog.

315 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:30:50pm

re: #308 albusteve

Aug 12th...somebody died and put those guys behind...it's been like forever, I can't seem to catch a break except I'm alive

Well, just get your skies ready for ski season.
:)

316 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:32:08pm

re: #313 albusteve

just a reminder for you...I play everything I can down the middle...I have zero allegiance to either party

and it gets you attention as intended.

317 albusteve  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:32:57pm

re: #315 Varek Raith

Well, just get your skies ready for ski season.
:)

you had to remind me...I wonder if I can do it...
fortune favors the bold eh?

318 Bulworth  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:33:26pm

218-210.

Mandate! //

319 albusteve  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:34:43pm

re: #316 Naso Tang

and it gets you attention as intended.

of course, but only here at LGF...there are millions like me but you won't find them here....it's not about attention at all, I'm way beyond that

320 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:35:45pm

re: #317 albusteve

you had to remind me...I wonder if I can do it...
fortune favors the bold eh?

Indeed it does.
My 83 year old grandmother has a full prosthetic leg. Can't stop her.

You'll be alright. Just stay positive and all that jazz.

321 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:48:55pm

re: #309 Gus 802

Julian Assange: Phone-hacking advocate

There you have it. Assange, not surprisingly, sides with NOTW and Murdoch.

Brilliant!

So next time I kick in someone's door and start stealing their shit, I'll just say I'm engaging in 'investigative journalism'.
///

What an asshat.

322 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:51:07pm

re: #321 Slumbering Behemoth

Brilliant!

So next time I kick in someone's door and start stealing their shit, I'll just say I'm engaging in 'investigative journalism'.
///

What an asshat.


I tried that at the bank.
It doesn't work.

323 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 3:59:10pm
324 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 4:19:54pm

re: #323 000G

[Link: www.loonwatch.com...]

More attention is good, but they lifted this post wholesale. That doesn't seem right.

325 yoshicastmaster  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 4:20:08pm

well done charles with this investigation!

326 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 4:36:23pm

I wanted to recommend a NYT Op-ed entitled "A Blogosphere of Bigots" but then I realized it was co-penned by Jostein Gaarder.

No, thank you.

327 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 4:43:37pm

re: #286 talon_262

Well, good...if a moonbat like Harry Belefonte AND the wingnuts don't like how President Obama's doing, it either means he's totally screwing things up (which I don't think is happening) or he's hitting it over the plate more often than not.

It means he's successfully navigating the middle way.

328 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 4:50:48pm

re: #299 albusteve

especially criticism of him...anything even close gets snarked off here...it's pretty entertaining...funny how some half obscure pundit or unknown poster can command so much attention tho if they are a republican or hostile to CJ...heh...an occasional poke at your hero is harmless enough until you want to blow it up into some issue, as you will

It's not simple criticism, it's unfounded or poorly founded criticism that gets a universal slap down.

Your critiques of people are of the 'he's a poo poo head' variety, which is why you get down dinged.

329 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 4:52:08pm

re: #305 Bulworth

Thanks. I'm on my home, i.e. slow computer and it doesn't handle multiple windows being open very well.

Did you wind it up all the way?

330 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 4:58:00pm

re: #8 MichaelJ

No way to look at this other than as someone who feels guilty and is covering their tracks.

Edited to what I believe is closer to the truth.

331 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 5:00:05pm

re: #48 Sergey Romanov

Here is the thing: if there was nothing wrong with the paragraph, why did she delete it? If there was something mighty wrong with it, why did she post it in the first place?

"It was cool when we thought he was a chickenshit like the rest of us who would talk big and not do nothin'."

I think that's it.

332 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 5:01:30pm

re: #76 Big Steve

This, appears to be the behavior of someone who has received legal council.

The legal council I would give her is to lay everything out on the table, and be fully cooperative. Same advice I'd give all of them.

333 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 5:03:02pm

re: #94 Ericus58

<
It was the same gun shop where Hasan bought his weapons two years ago."

Really?! Same shop?!
"Naw, they won't notice anything suspicious in my asking about blowin' shit up..."
Epic Fail.

Yeah, you'd think havin' that happen to them probably made them a little more...observant...of their clientele.

334 Rocktheboat  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:00:38pm

re: #29 Killgore Trout

Geller is an idiot, but how could she _ or you and I _ have known Breivik was a terrorist BEFORE last week? This Norwegian lowlife stockpiled arms? So have millions of Americans! Geller edits in hindsight? The NYTimes initially linked Breivik to an Islamic terrorist group. Oops. Edited out! The US invaded Iraq over WMD. Oops. Edited out! Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11. Edited out! Oops. Oops. Oops. History is rewritten all the time. All we need to do is remember that and point it out.

335 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 29, 2011 11:52:49pm

And another dead thread hero shows up to defend Pamela Geller.

336 JamesWI  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 12:05:35am

re: #335 Charles

And another dead thread hero shows up to defend Pamela Geller.

Surprisingly, not a class of 2004er. Guess they must be running out of those old socks.

337 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 12:34:20am

re: #335 Charles

And another dead thread hero shows up to defend Pamela Geller.

Last night I looked up all the comments for articles & Pages for this person. When you read them in sequence they give off a distinct...vibe.

338 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 2:23:39am

re: #334 Rocktheboat

She didn't edit her own words. She edited the words of someone else. That's very, very different.


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