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1 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 9:28:14pm

This is a good opportunity to post Pat Metheny's rant against Kenny G.

[Link: www.jazzoasis.com...]

Not long ago, Kenny G put out a recording where he overdubbed himself on top of a 30+ year old Louis Armstrong record, the track "What a Wonderful World". With this single move, Kenny G became one of the few people on earth I can say that I really can't use at all - as a man, for his incredible arrogance to even consider such a thing, and as a musician, for presuming to share the stage with the single most important figure in our music.

This type of musical necrophilia - the technique of overdubbing on the preexisting tracks of already dead performers - was weird when Natalie Cole did it with her dad on "Unforgettable" a few years ago, but it was her dad. When Tony Bennett did it with Billie Holiday it was bizarre, but we are talking about two of the greatest singers of the 20th century who were on roughly the same level of artistic accomplishment. When Larry Coryell presumed to overdub himself on top of a Wes Montgomery track, I lost a lot of the respect that I ever had for him - and I have to seriously question the fact that I did have respect for someone who could turn out to have such unbelievably bad taste and be that disrespectful to one of my personal heroes.

But when Kenny G decided that it was appropriate for him to defile the music of the man who is probably the greatest jazz musician that has ever lived by spewing his lame-ass, jive, pseudo bluesy, out-of-tune, noodling, wimped out, fucked up playing all over one of the great Louis's tracks (even one of his lesser ones), he did something that I would not have imagined possible.

Non-musicians and other normal people probably won't care. Everyone else, read the whole thing.

2 jaunte  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 9:29:22pm

Pat Metheny-What's It All About

The Sound of Silence (Paul Simon)
Cherish (Terry Kirkman)
Alfie (Burt Bacharach & Hal David)
Pipeline (Bob Spickard & Brian Carman)
Garota de Ipanema (Antonio Carlos Jobim & Vinicius de Moraes)
Rainy Days and Mondays (Roger S. Nichols & Paul H. Williams)
That's the Way I've Always Heard It Should Be (Carly Simon & Jacob Brackman)
Slow Hot Wind (Henry Mancini & Normal Gimbel)
Betcha by Golly, Wow (Thomas Bell & Linda Creed)
And I Love Her (John Lennon & Paul McCartney)


Listening to LGF has generated lot of music purchases for me in the last four years. Here's another one; thanks!

3 Gus  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 9:37:27pm

I give her all my love
That's all I do
And if you saw my love
You'd love her too
I love her

She gives me everything
And tenderly
The kiss my lover brings
She brings to me
And I love her

A love like ours
Could never die
As long as I
Have you near me

Bright are the stars that shine
Dark is the sky
I know this love of mine
Will never die
And I love her

Bright are the stars that shine
Dark is the sky
I know this love of mine
Will never die
And I love her

4 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 9:42:47pm

I have a new Libya Page.

Decent amount of changes, but no riot in an embassy, sadly.

6 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 9:48:52pm

re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Rick Perry: Evolution Is A Myth And Same-Sex Marriage Should Be Illegal

That hair... where did it come from?

7 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 9:50:36pm

re: #6 JasonA

Evolution is a fact.

However, Perry's hair does not involve evolution. It was designed, though not intelligently.

8 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 9:52:04pm

re: #6 JasonA

That hair... where did it come from?

80's prn?

9 jaunte  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 9:52:32pm

re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hey Farah, that's the least of your reasons to feel that way!

Joseph Farah: “I feel unclean for the nice things I have said about him (Perry) to date.”
10 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 9:53:50pm

re: #7 ProLifeLiberal

Evolution is a fact.

However, Perry's hair does not involve evolution. It was designed, though not intelligently.

Don't be a hater. That's some damn good hair. Wasted warming vacant space, but nice nonetheless...

11 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 9:54:56pm

Wikipedia took out all the stops in describing Breivik.

The Norwegian Police Service arrested Anders Behring Breivik, a 32-year-old Norwegian christian terrorist, christofascist, right-wing terrorist, for the mass shootings in Utøya and subsequently charged him with both attacks.

12 Digital Display  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 9:58:07pm

That was an awesome clip.. At first I thought he was doing a drop A or something...Then even an E..But no.. He is so talented

13 jvic  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 9:58:18pm

re: #6 JasonA

That hair... where did it come from?

It's not hair. It's Perry's alien master whose tendrils penetrate his brain.

14 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 9:59:07pm

re: #11 ProLifeLiberal

Wikipedia took out all the stops in describing Breivik.

Many dozens of keyboard warriors shall now take to battle on this unprotected battleground...

15 elizajane  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 10:05:52pm

re: #13 jvic

It's not hair. It's Perry's alien master whose tendrils penetrate his brain.

Indeed. The last person to serve that alien master is currently awaiting sentencing in Chicago for a lengthy string of corruption charges.

Why has nobody put two and two together before??

16 Gus  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 10:07:18pm

While surfing the internet now I saw this cute little baby. I found out she passed away in 2009 after living less than 2 years. She was a preemie. So sad.

17 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 10:17:02pm

re: #1 negativ

Wow. Thank you for that pointer.

18 Not Approved By The MPAA  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 10:33:21pm

Something to add, on a musical scale:

Great stuff, powerful on a lot of different levels. More so, the older you get. Not sure why I picked them tonight, though.

Hope you enjoy...!
--LWC

19 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 10:40:13pm

re: #7 ProLifeLiberal

Evolution is a fact.

However, Perry's hair does not involve evolution. It was designed, though not intelligently.

Molly Ivins is sorely missed right now. I can only imagine what she would say about John Boo-Hoo Boehner and Rick Perry's absurd presidential aspirations. I envision her saying in that kindly but matter-of-fact tone, "It's impolite to make fun of them like that. They're dipshits, honey. They can't help it."

20 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 10:44:46pm

re: #15 elizajane

Indeed. The last person to serve that alien master is currently awaiting sentencing in Chicago for a lengthy string of corruption charges.

Why has nobody put two and two together before??

lol - Spider Man / Venom.

21 Kragar  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 10:46:51pm

re: #20 negativ

lol - Spider Man / Venom.

Alien Legion - The Varn H'roth fusion

22 laZardo  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 10:48:05pm

re: #20 negativ

lol - Spider Man / Venom.

I was thinking Snake from Treehouse of Horror.

23 Gus  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 10:49:45pm

Classy...

@pdigaudio Peter
@Conservativeind Moochelle's ass needs its own ZIP code

@pdigaudio Peter
@Conservativeind Our debt isn't as big as Moochelle's fat ass.

24 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 10:54:27pm

re: #18 Leftwingconspirator

Something to add, on a musical scale:

I've always found "Night" to be the only thing that ever got a lick of sympathy out of me for any confederate. My ancestors were from Wisconsin & New York. Our Wisconsin land was bought on the basis of Union service.) There is still a strong sense in my family of the south as "The Enemy". It impacts our politics and lifestyle choices very strongly. I still wear army blue or my crossed rifles with a sense of pride, for example.

The ultimate irony is that Robbie Robinson is Canadian.

25 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 10:55:47pm

re: #23 Gus 802

Classy...

@pdigaudio Peter
@Conservativeind Moochelle's ass needs its own ZIP code

@pdigaudio Peter
@Conservativeind Our debt isn't as big as Moochelle's fat ass.

It is my view that any objections to Michelle Obama's ass are entirely misguided and utterly without merit.

26 Kragar  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 10:57:43pm

re: #25 negativ

It is my view that any objections to Michelle Obama's ass are entirely misguided and utterly without merit.

Now if he said "The budget is as bloated as Hagee's jowls" it would be funny...

27 sagehen  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 10:58:11pm

re: #16 Gus 802

While surfing the internet now I saw this cute little baby. I found out she passed away in 2009 after living less than 2 years. She was a preemie. So sad.

she looks like an elf.

28 sagehen  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 11:00:07pm

re: #23 Gus 802

Classy...

@pdigaudio Peter
@Conservativeind Moochelle's ass needs its own ZIP code

@pdigaudio Peter
@Conservativeind Our debt isn't as big as Moochelle's fat ass.

well... what did you expect from people who think Ann Coulter is the epitome of femininity?

29 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 11:00:18pm

re: #26 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Now if he said "The budget is as bloated as Hagee's jowls" it would be funny...

As wobbly as Mitch McConnell's backup chin...

30 Gus  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 11:03:45pm

Goooood night.

31 sagehen  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 11:10:47pm

something silly, for those who need a distraction

32 austin_blue  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 11:19:30pm

I guess what most impresses me is that he has taken a classic melody, 45 years old, and put his stamp on it, while still respecting the original tune.

Both are brilliant. Sweet!

33 Kragar  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 11:19:44pm

re: #31 sagehen

something silly, for those who need a distraction

[Video]

WHAT MANNER OF DEVILRY IS THIS?

34 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 11:28:13pm

Good night, all.

35 Targetpractice  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 11:42:44pm

So...anyone still alive in here?

36 Kragar  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 11:46:27pm

re: #35 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So...anyone still alive in here?

nope

37 Targetpractice  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 11:48:33pm

re: #36 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

nope

So, does that make you a zombie?

38 Kragar  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 11:54:01pm

re: #37 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So, does that make you a zombie?

More of a lich, or perhaps a wight.

39 Kronocide  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 11:54:45pm

Just listening to this, hard to get my zombie on.

40 Kragar  Sat, Jul 30, 2011 11:59:08pm

re: #39 BigPapa

Just listening to this, hard to get my zombie on.

[Video]

41 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:00:18am

re: #38 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

More of a lich, or perhaps a wight.

Oh...so, do I still shoot you in the head?

42 Kragar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:07:42am

re: #41 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Oh...so, do I still shoot you in the head?

If it makes you feel better

43 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:10:32am

re: #42 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If it makes you feel better

Well, if you're gonna make me feel guilty, then I'm not gonna do it!

//

44 freetoken  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:23:18am
45 freetoken  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 2:23:37am
46 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 2:30:18am

Annoyingly catchy.

47 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 2:35:22am

re: #46 Varek Raith

Annoyingly catchy.

[Video]

Nice leek ref.

48 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 2:39:02am

Pretty good NYT opinion piece by Thomas Hegghammer:

The Rise of the Macro-Nationalists

On closer inspection, however, Mr. Breivik’s worldview does not fit squarely into any of the established categories of right-wing ideology, like white supremacism, ultranationalism or Christian fundamentalism. Rather, it reveals a new doctrine of civilizational war that represents the closest thing yet to a Christian version of Al Qaeda.

[…]

Indeed, the more belligerent part of Mr. Breivik’s ideology has less in common with counterjihad than with its archenemy, Al Qaeda. Both Mr. Breivik and Al Qaeda see themselves as engaged in a civilizational war between Islam and the West that extends back to the Crusades. Both fight on behalf of transnational entities: the “ummah” — or “community” of all Muslims — in the case of Al Qaeda, and Europe in the case of Mr. Breivik. Both frame their struggle as defensive wars of survival. Both hate their respective governments for collaborating with the outside enemy. Both use the language of martyrdom (Mr. Breivik calls his attack a “martyrdom operation”). Both call themselves knights, and espouse medieval ideals of chivalry. Both lament the erosion of patriarchy and the emancipation of women.

Of course, these similarities should not be taken to mean that Mr. Breivik is inspired by or emulates Al Qaeda. Rather, they suggest that Mr. Breivik and Al Qaeda are manifestations of the same generic ideological phenomenon: “macro-nationalism,” a variant of nationalism applied to clusters of nation-states held together by a notion of shared identity, like “the West” or the “ummah.”

Not agreeing with everything in there, but def. worth a read.

Meanwhile, Bill O'Reilly is still lying: [Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

49 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 2:39:18am

re: #48 000G

oops, forgot link: [Link: www.nytimes.com...]

50 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 2:42:11am

re: #48 000G

Pretty good NYT opinion piece by Thomas Hegghammer:

The Rise of the Macro-Nationalists

Not agreeing with everything in there, but def. worth a read.

Meanwhile, Bill O'Reilly is still lying: [Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

You can't explain that!

51 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 2:53:02am

Morning Honcos.

52 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 2:54:12am

How about the 1,500-page manifesto witht eh cross on the cover and the pages on defeding christian civilization?

Let me again repeat the Talking Point that is central to this form of denial:

Christ forbids violence, therefore no mass murderer can be a True Christian

Muhammad demands violence in the name of Allah, therefore all Muslims are mass murderers or potential mass murderers.

Which leads to the corollary that is at the heart of the AJ movement:

In fact, Muslims who simply live peacefully and tolerate others are either not True Muslims or are hiding thier true intentions.

That is what allows them to label calling Brevik a Christian as left-wingmedia bias while seeing suicide bombers who kill children (both of which are forbidden by the Koran) as True Muslims.

In the end, both the AJ folks and the fundamentalist mullahs agree that the only True Muslims are violent, murderous ones. Amazing how warped minds think the same...

53 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 2:54:34am

re: #48 000G

Maybe I'm missing something. The Boston Herald piece was more of a bash on the NYT. I didn't see anything about O'Reilly.

54 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 2:56:44am

re: #53 Cannadian Club Akbar

Maybe I'm missing something. The Boston Herald piece was more of a bash on the NYT. I didn't see anything about O'Reilly.

O'Reilly wrote it. His name is in the by-line, ffs!

55 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 2:59:44am

re: #54 000G

O'Reilly wrote it. His name is in the by-line, ffs!

D'oh!! I never bothered to look. And I don't actually recall what the NYT said about the London bombers, but if they didn't mention that the bombers were Muslin extremist, it wouldn't surprise me at all.

56 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 3:07:37am

I'm already out of coffee. This is gonna make for a long morning.

57 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 3:17:59am

re: #52 ralphieboy

In the end, both the AJ folks and the fundamentalist mullahs agree that the only True Muslims are violent, murderous ones. Amazing how warped minds think the same...

Also funny: the crud Breivik spews against all of Protestantism (as conceived of by his addled brain).

Yet, he admires (and imitates) whackodoodle rwnj America, because they've retained their European Christian roots, unlike where he lives /eyeroll

No True Scotsman is the oldest game in the social/cultural conservative Christian-supremacist playbook. How many Wars of Religion were fought over that very thing?

These No True Scotsman types need a stronger sense of self, outside what some third party like a mullah or "tradition" tells them. Without the ultimate foil -- liberal media, multiculturalism, marxism, infidels, jihadis, mullahs, Emmanuel Goldstein, etc. -- a bigot has no basis for their own identity.

58 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 3:18:19am

re: #56 Cannadian Club Akbar

59 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 3:19:40am

re: #58 ralphieboy

I'd rather have what Gordon is drinking.
/

60 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 3:20:12am

re: #57 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Europrotestanism is much different than its American counterpart(s). In Germany and England at least the Lutheran and Anglican churches are large monolithic enterprises, a lot closer to the state and a lot closer to the Catholics in many ways than the variety of American protestant sects.

61 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 3:33:50am

I was just reading the comments in regards to Peyton Manning signing a 5 year/$90 million dollar contract. And right on cue was someone pulling the "WE HAVE PEOPLE STARVING IN AMERICA AND HE'S GETTING PAID WHAT!!" bullshit. But at least I know the woman meant it because the entire fucking comment was in CAPS!!!

62 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 3:35:05am

re: #61 Cannadian Club Akbar

Why do these people hate the Free Market, and by extension, America?

63 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 3:36:14am

re: #62 ralphieboy

Why do these people hate the Free Market, and by extension, America?

The woman is just Anti-egg/hand.

64 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 3:39:58am

Remember the arguments for such high salaries and bonuses for financial managers: we need to pay top dollar to get the best people...and we bought that fallacy and still refuse to part with it even after we bailed them out.

65 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 3:42:27am

re: #64 ralphieboy

Did you ever see "Barbarians at the Gate" from many years ago? It was about a takeover of, IIRC, Nabisco. Good movie. If you haven't seen it, check it out.

66 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 3:44:59am

re: #60 ralphieboy

Europrotestanism is much different than its American counterpart(s). In Germany and England at least the Lutheran and Anglican churches are large monolithic enterprises, a lot closer to the state and a lot closer to the Catholics in many ways than the variety of American protestant sects.

Oh yeah, I know that. That's very likely also true for the state church of Norway, also Lutheran.

But the No True Scotsmans, like both Breivik and whackodoodle conservative Protestants over here, are 100% clue free on how Christianity works outside their own preferred sect. (And Heaven forbid they actually read what Breivik laid out as his beliefs.) Remaining ignorant of everything outside their own millieu allows them all kind of lazy slippage.

Then they wonder why they get talked down to, so often.

67 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 3:47:46am

re: #66 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin


One of the big positive things for humanity to come out of the rise of Protestanism was the notion that everybody should be free to read and interpret the Holy Scriptures in their own way.

But that is only part of it: they also have to make the effort to comprehend how other people read and understand their Scriptures.

That component is missing in a lot of modern religious discourse.

68 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 3:53:42am
69 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 3:54:43am

re: #68 Cannadian Club Akbar

You just can't make this stuff up.

Bet this will show up as a subplot in a Carl Hiaasen or Elmore Leonard novel...

70 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 4:00:59am

re: #67 ralphieboy

One of the big positive things for humanity to come out of the rise of Protestanism was the notion that everybody should be free to read and interpret the Holy Scriptures in their own way.

But that is only part of it: they also have to make the effort to comprehend how other people read and understand their Scriptures.

That component is missing in a lot of modern religious discourse.

Yeah, from the rwnj sects, anyway. "Interfaith dialogue" exists in part to avoid the kind of misunderstandings that end in bloodshed, pogroms, etc. The RCC that Breivik holds up as "rock of tradition" blah blah understands it.

But trying to avoid that, in itself, is seen by mullahs and other eliminationists as a sign of weakness -- like anyone who thinks they are too good to have their views challenged, they h-a-t-e it lol. /Schadenfreude

"Live and let live" is a very threatening idea to them, b/c it means they don't get to go around eliminating others just for livin'. :)

71 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 4:01:07am

re: #69 ralphieboy

Bet this will show up as a subplot in a Carl Hiaasen or Elmore Leonard novel...

I can see that. Generally, things that happen at the beginning of a story/movie that make no sense usually reappear helping to tie together the resolve of the story.

72 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 4:02:25am

re: #71 Cannadian Club Akbar

like it turns out that the officer driving was whacked on percocet or something...

73 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 4:08:02am

re: #72 ralphieboy

like it turns out that the officer driving was whacked on percocet or something...

The officer wasn't drunk. He was taking a drunk to jail, then was hit by another drunk. But, FWIW, Hollywood would make the officer a recovering alcoholic, a closet drunk, or a pill head because it's what they do. It would be a part of removing the mask from the lead character.

74 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 4:12:49am

And after buying screenwriting software years ago for $300 plus a $100 upgrade, which I couldn't remove from my recently sold laptop because I didn't have the "key disc", I found free screenwriting software online that you can buy little upgrades for (about $15 each). But the free stuff does everything I need.

75 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 4:13:35am

As you can tell, I have read nearly every Carl Hiaasen novel. I am usually not a fan of detective/mystery novels, but I like CH for his sense of shock/offbeat humor.

76 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 4:14:42am

re: #75 ralphieboy

As you can tell, I have read nearly every Carl Hiaasen novel. I am usually not a fan of detective/mystery novels, but I like CH for his sense of shock/offbeat humor.

I think he still does weekly columns for the Miami herald. I like him and Dave Barry.

77 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 4:26:17am

re: #74 Cannadian Club Akbar

And after buying screenwriting software years ago for $300 plus a $100 upgrade, which I couldn't remove from my recently sold laptop because I didn't have the "key disc", I found free screenwriting software online that you can buy little upgrades for (about $15 each). But the free stuff does everything I need.

What's the program? A friend of mine asked me to find them screenwriting software, and it all seems like a hell of a rip.

78 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 4:34:57am

re: #77 Obdicut

What's the program? A friend of mine asked me to find them screenwriting software, and it all seems like a hell of a rip.

I previously used Final Draft. It's now only $260 or so. Awesome program. I downloaded Celtx. It's free. I haven't gone over everything, but it has the same basic set up as Final Draft. I know with FD, you can send your scripts to the WGA on the inetrnet and it only cost (at the time) $10-15 to register/copyright it, as well as sending it to writing partners who ran the same software. But, I write alone and if I need to mail an actual copy to the WGA, so be it.

79 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 4:37:24am

re: #78 Cannadian Club Akbar

I previously used Final Draft. It's now only $260 or so. Awesome program. I downloaded Celtx. It's free. I haven't gone over everything, but it has the same basic set up as Final Draft. I know with FD, you can send your scripts to the WGA on the inetrnet and it only cost (at the time) $10-15 to register/copyright it, as well as sending it to writing partners who ran the same software. But, I write alone and if I need to mail an actual copy to the WGA, so be it.

Huh, I never knew they made that kind of software.
Interesting.

80 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 4:39:35am

re: #79 Varek Raith

Huh, I never knew they made that kind of software.
Interesting.

I had Final Draft for 12 years or so. With FD, you can also assign voices to characters so you can hear your script being read aloud. Pretty cool. They also have templates for TV scripts, novels, etc.

81 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 4:41:19am

re: #1 negativ

Well, wow.

82 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 4:41:42am

re: #80 Cannadian Club Akbar

I had Final Draft for 12 years or so. With FD, you can also assign voices to characters so you can hear your script being read aloud. Pretty cool. They also have templates for TV scripts, novels, etc.

Sounds like something fun to mess with.

83 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 4:42:10am

And Obdi, if your friend want to check out a kick ass writing class, this is it. I've done this 3 times. After the first day of the first time I took it, I was in my hotel dissecting movies that were on TV.
[Link: beyondstructure.com...]

84 Aye Pod  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 4:42:20am

NICE! Jackson Jeffrey Jackson, the world's most innovative jazz trumpeter:

85 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 4:45:02am

BRB. Running to McDonalds for a coffee.

86 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 4:57:39am

re: #84 Jimmah

Hilarious

87 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:17:13am

re: #85 Cannadian Club Akbar

BRB. Running to McDonalds for a coffee.

Yummy....

88 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:21:16am

re: #85 Cannadian Club Akbar

BRB. Running to McDonalds for a coffee.

You,,,, RUN!?!?!

How long do you cough after!?!?!

89 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:22:26am

re: #88 sattv4u2

You,,, RUN!?!?!

How long do you cough after!?!?!

I only run when chased. But I'm enjoying my coffee with 6 creams and 5 sugars!!

90 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:22:52am

re: #89 Cannadian Club Akbar

I only run when chased. But I'm enjoying my coffee with 6 creams and 5 sugars!!

GGAAHHHHH!!!!

Why even bother putting coffee in the cup?

91 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:25:55am

re: #90 sattv4u2

GGAAHHH!!!

Why even bother putting coffee in the cup?

Remember the Brach's candy stands at the supermarkets where you could mix and match stuff or put in a nickle and get 3 pieces of candy? I always got coffee candy.

92 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:28:04am

re: #90 sattv4u2

GGAAHHH!!!

Why even bother putting coffee in the cup?

Wot, u never heard of homoeopathic coffee?

93 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:28:54am

re: #61 Cannadian Club Akbar

I was just reading the comments in regards to Peyton Manning signing a 5 year/$90 million dollar contract. And right on cue was someone pulling the "WE HAVE PEOPLE STARVING IN AMERICA AND HE'S GETTING PAID WHAT!!" bullshit. But at least I know the woman meant it because the entire fucking comment was in CAPS!!!

Peyton Manning can make $90 million over 5 years because he is one of a very select few. (I think these salaries are a bit ridiculous, myself, but they are what they are).

And this is a good place to put in a plug for this guy, who I don't think ever had a $90 million contract but who nevertheless did very well, and he has paid it forward ever since.

94 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:29:05am

re: #91 Cannadian Club Akbar

Remember the Brach's candy stands at the supermarkets where you could mix and match stuff or put in a nickle and get 3 pieces of candy? I always got coffee candy.

And took it home and dipped each piece in cream and sugar so you couldn't tell the flavor?

95 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:30:42am

re: #93 reine.de.tout

put in a plug for this guy,

AND ,,, note how quietly he has gone about doing it

96 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:30:49am

re: #93 reine.de.tout

Peyton Manning can make $90 million over 5 years because he is one of a very select few. (I think these salaries are a bit ridiculous, myself, but they are what they are).

And this is a good place to put in a plug for this guy, who I don't think ever had a $90 million contract but who nevertheless did very well, and he has paid it forward ever since.

Warrick Dunn has done more for Tampa then probably most know. He builds houses for single mom's every year. Even when he was a rookie.

97 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:32:24am

re: #95 sattv4u2

put in a plug for this guy,

AND ,,, note how quietly he has gone about doing it

Absolutely. And raised his sisters & brothers, saw to it they got an education. And he financed the first years of that program himself, including not just the down payment on two homes, but fully furnishing them as well. A heckuva guy.

98 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:32:55am

re: #96 Cannadian Club Akbar

Warrick Dunn has done more for Tampa then probably most know. He builds houses for single mom's every year. Even when he was a rookie.

Many athletes that either played here or are from here have done tons of good work for this area. And add George Steinbrenner to that list, considering the hospital he died in has a children's wing with his name on it.

99 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:33:04am

re: #96 Cannadian Club Akbar

Warrick Dunn has done more for Tampa then probably most know. He builds houses for single mom's every year. Even when he was a rookie.

He's been doing it in BR for a very very long time. Furnishes them, as well

100 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:33:48am

re: #99 reine.de.tout

He's been doing it in BR for a very very long time. Furnishes them, as well

He'll always be loved here.

101 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:35:04am

re: #100 Cannadian Club Akbar

He'll always be loved here.

And here as well!

I remember the day his mom was killed; actually she was killed one night, working a 2nd job as store security.

102 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:37:49am

re: #98 Cannadian Club Akbar

Many athletes that either played here or are from here have done tons of good work for this area. And add George Steinbrenner to that list, considering the hospital he died in has a children's wing with his name on it.

The point being, many of these highly paid folks don't hoard their money but make an effort to give back to their communities.

103 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:37:56am

re: #101 reine.de.tout

And here as well!

I remember the day his mom was killed; actually she was killed one night, working a 2nd job as store security.

Dunn in the backfield along with Mike Alstott was known as WD/40. One was a hammer, the other a sprinter.

104 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:39:11am

re: #102 reine.de.tout

The point being, many of these highly paid folks don't hoard their money but make an effort to give back to their communities.

Most of them wind up broke after their careers are over, due to severe financial mismanagement and people taking advantage of them, too.

105 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:39:16am

re: #102 reine.de.tout

The point being, many of these highly paid folks don't hoard their money but make an effort to give back to their communities.

Yea. And they don't look for the fanfare of it all. But people still like to pile on about how much they make and stuff. People need to just worry about themselves instead of bitching about others.

106 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:40:35am

re: #104 Obdicut

Most of them wind up broke after their careers are over, due to severe financial mismanagement and people taking advantage of them, too.

This is why the NFL has rookie orientation. But if they choose to spend more then they have, so be it. Now, if they are ripped off, that's another story.

107 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:40:43am

re: #102 reine.de.tout

The point being, many of these highly paid folks don't hoard their money but make an effort to give back to their communities.

WHAT!?!?!?

Rich people don't sit in a room, smoking cigars, drinking cognac and have servants tossing hundred dollar bills in the air raining down on them!?!?!?

108 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:41:17am

re: #104 Obdicut

Most SOME of them wind up broke after their careers are over, due to severe financial mismanagement and people taking advantage of them, too.

not "most"

109 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:41:31am

re: #104 Obdicut

Most of them wind up broke after their careers are over, due to severe financial mismanagement and people taking advantage of them, too.

Yes, that happens as well.

I just saw a story about some young actress who was paying her mom $7500 a month to help cover her brother's medical bills. The mom apparently spent the money on botox and other "personal" things. The mom has now sued the actress, claiming that the girl agreed to "pay" her $10,000 a month.

Can you imagine? A parent expecting a child to support them to the tune of $10,000 a month? People make money, all sorts of things come crawling out of the woodwork wanting a piece of the pie.

110 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:41:36am

re: #105 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yea. And they don't look for the fanfare of it all. But people still like to pile on about how much they make and stuff. People need to just worry about themselves instead of bitching about others.

Curious that we will bitch and moan about actors and athletes being paid exorbitant sums, but a guy sitting near Wall St making hundreds of thousands with a click of a mouse and producing nothing is sacrosanct. I guess they're the 'producers'.

111 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:41:40am

re: #107 sattv4u2

WHAT!?!?!?

Rich people don't sit in a room, smoking cigars, drinking cognac and have servants tossing hundred dollar bills in the air raining down on them!?!?!?

Some also clean their own monocles.

112 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:42:04am

re: #105 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yea. And they don't look for the fanfare of it all. But people still like to pile on about how much they make and stuff. People need to just worry about themselves instead of bitching about others.

Does that mean you'll stop bitching about me!?!?
//

113 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:42:05am

re: #105 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yea. And they don't look for the fanfare of it all. But people still like to pile on about how much they make and stuff. People need to just worry about themselves instead of bitching about others.

Well no. I think it's fine for people to note that CEO and other executive officer compensation in the US is incredibly out of line with American tradition and compared to things worldwide. It's an enormous problem for our society and a huge threat to our economy; as the middle and lower class lose buying power, our economy slows, the velocity of money stalls, and we rapidly lose economic power.

But complaining about the extreme corner cases like pro athletes is, indeed, idiotic. Pro sports is a phenomenon.

Plus, those guys get tore up. They get their bodies destroyed, many of them, as I said, wind up broke; I wouldn't trade places with a pro athlete, if it meant inheriting their problems as well.

114 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:44:13am

re: #113 Obdicut

Well no. I think it's fine for people to note that CEO and other executive officer compensation in the US is incredibly out of line with American tradition and compared to things worldwide. It's an enormous problem for our society and a huge threat to our economy; as the middle and lower class lose buying power, our economy slows, the velocity of money stalls, and we rapidly lose economic power.

But complaining about the extreme corner cases like pro athletes is, indeed, idiotic. Pro sports is a phenomenon.

Plus, those guys get tore up. They get their bodies destroyed, many of them, as I said, wind up broke; I wouldn't trade places with a pro athlete, if it meant inheriting their problems as well.

CEO salaries and bonuses are another thing. I don't see a lot of stories about many of them giving back in this way. Bill Gates being one exception.

115 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:44:36am

re: #109 reine.de.tout

Yes, that happens as well.

I just saw a story about some young actress who was paying her mom $7500 a month to help cover her brother's medical bills. The mom apparently spent the money on botox and other "personal" things. The mom has now sued the actress, claiming that the girl agreed to "pay" her $10,000 a month.

Can you imagine? A parent expecting a child to support them to the tune of $10,000 a month? People make money, all sorts of things come crawling out of the woodwork wanting a piece of the pie.

My wife's crazy stepmom and her sane father are getting a divorce. The mother petitioned the court to have her daughter's bank accounts cashed out and the money given to her, and their life insurance and any other accounts, as well.

The judge denied it. But people like that exist, and god, I hate them.

116 RogueOne  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:44:49am

re: #98 Cannadian Club Akbar

Many athletes that either played here or are from here have done tons of good work for this area. And add George Steinbrenner to that list, considering the hospital he died in has a children's wing with his name on it.

Peyton had a wing named after him at the local Indy Childrens Hospital a few years ago. He has a few really nice foundations. As a fan it was nice to see him not only take less than the owner was willing to give but his insistence that it get done this weekend. The ink was barely dry on his contract when they used some of the savings to sign Joseph Addai.

117 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:45:06am

re: #110 Renaissance_Man

re: #113 Obdicut

I agree with the Wall Street/CEO thing. I was just speaking about comments I read about an athletes.

118 Shropshire_Slasher  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:45:52am

Go to Cumbies for coffee, only $1 better than Duncan Donuts. (I can't help it if u don't have a D&D on every corner!)

119 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:46:07am

re: #114 reine.de.tout

CEO salaries and bonuses are another thing. I don't see a lot of stories about many of them giving back in this way. Bill Gates being one exception.

There's a lot of charitable giving, but it doesn't fix the systemic problem. That's why Warren Buffet, even though he gives tons and tons of money to charity, still advocates for higher taxes on people like himself.

He also lives very modestly, and noted that he feels perfectly happy doing so and doesn't really understand why other people feel the need for conspicuous consumption.

120 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:46:21am

re: #110 Renaissance_Man

Curious that we will bitch and moan about actors and athletes being paid exorbitant sums, but a guy sitting near Wall St making hundreds of thousands with a click of a mouse and producing nothing is sacrosanct. I guess they're the 'producers'.

There have been several conversations here recently about CEO and Wall St salaries being out of whack. Maybe you missed them.

121 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:46:53am

re: #118 Shropshire_Slasher

Go to Cumbies for coffee, only $1 better than Duncan Donuts. (I can't help it if u don't have a D&D on every corner!)

Cumbies = Cumberland Farms?

Never tried their coffee

122 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:47:16am

re: #120 reine.de.tout

There have been several conversations here recently about CEO and Wall St salaries being out of whack. Maybe you missed them.

I don't think he meant 'we' as in LGF, but a broader we in the US.

123 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:47:41am

re: #119 Obdicut

There's a lot of charitable giving, but it doesn't fix the systemic problem. That's why Warren Buffet, even though he gives tons and tons of money to charity, still advocates for higher taxes on people like himself.

He also lives very modestly, and noted that he feels perfectly happy doing so and doesn't really understand why other people feel the need for conspicuous consumption.

I don't get that either. We're not rich, but we do live more modestly than our income could allow. And I'm perfectly happy.

124 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:48:20am

re: #122 Obdicut

I don't think he meant 'we' as in LGF, but a broader we in the US.

Maybe so. Still - I didn't see him in those threads. So . . .maybe he missed them?

125 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:49:39am

Athlete charities:
[Link: online.wsj.com...]

126 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:50:24am

re: #119 Obdicut

He also lives very modestly, and noted that he feels perfectly happy doing so and doesn't really understand why other people feel the need for conspicuous consumption.

That is the dark side of our Calvinist Protestant Work Ethic. the notion that weath is an Outer Sign of Inner Grace.

people feel the need to display their "inner grace"

127 Shropshire_Slasher  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:50:30am

re: #121 sattv4u2

Yeah Cumberland Farms, their farmhouse blend coffee is awesome, I never liked Iced coffee until I had theirs. Its like a party in my mouth!

128 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:50:33am

re: #125 Cannadian Club Akbar

Athlete charities:
[Link: online.wsj.com...]

Cool (tip of the iceberg) list

Thanks

129 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:50:43am

re: #123 reine.de.tout

I don't get that either. We're not rich, but we do live more modestly than our income could allow. And I'm perfectly happy.

I like buying my wife things, and I wish we could afford to make sure everything we buy is sustainably sourced and all that, but I don't really otherwise enjoy buying things or having them clutter up the place.

130 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:52:51am

re: #127 Shropshire_Slasher

Yeah Cumberland Farms, their farmhouse blend coffee is awesome, I never liked Iced coffee until I had theirs. Its like a party in my mouth!

I won't post the obvious joke here.

131 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:53:38am

re: #127 Shropshire_Slasher

Yeah Cumberland Farms, their farmhouse blend coffee is awesome, I never liked Iced coffee until I had theirs. Its like a party in my mouth!

Thanks

I haven't seen any here in/around Atlanta, but I'm going to Boston next week so I'll pop in to one and try the coffee

132 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:55:41am

And lemme say this: You don't usually hear about an athlete doing good in the community, but you certainly do when an athlete breaks the law.

133 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 5:57:21am

re: #131 sattv4u2

Thanks

I haven't seen any here in/around Atlanta, but I'm going to Boston next week so I'll pop in to one and try the coffee

Tim Horton's rules!!!!

134 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:00:04am

re: #133 Cannadian Club Akbar

Tim Horton's rules!!!

This, from the guy that just ran to Micky D's

135 Surabaya Stew  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:00:43am

re: #133 Cannadian Club Akbar

Tim Horton's rules!!!

I've been pretty happy ever since they came to New York. Love their several varieties of maple donuts!

136 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:02:17am

re: #135 Surabaya Stew

I've been pretty happy ever since they came to New York. Love their several varieties of maple donuts!

My BIL used to send me into Tim's for coconut donuts, knowing the whole time they took them off the menu. Effing jerk!!!

137 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:03:11am

re: #132 Cannadian Club Akbar

And lemme say this: You don't usually hear about an athlete doing good in the community, but you certainly do when an athlete breaks the law.

Probably for the same reason that you don't usually hear about pizza delivery drivers performing brain surgery, but you often hear stories about them delivering pizza.

138 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:04:15am

re: #136 Cannadian Club Akbar

My BIL used to send me into Tim's for coconut donuts, knowing the whole time they took them off the menu. Effing jerk!!!

And you fell for it every time!?!?

139 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:04:53am

re: #137 negativ

Probably for the same reason that you don't usually hear about pizza delivery drivers performing brain surgery, but you often hear stories about them delivering pizza.

You do!?!

Thats a news item!?!?!

140 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:05:14am

re: #137 negativ

re: #139 sattv4u2

You do!?!

Thats a news item!?!?!

opppsss
forgot the
///

141 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:05:26am

re: #138 sattv4u2

And you fell for it every time!?!?

I caught on, eventually.:(

142 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:22:45am

Wonder if this guy is out of money yet.
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

143 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:26:01am

re: #142 Cannadian Club Akbar

Wonder if this guy is out of money yet.
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

Hey ,, they caught Whitey Bulger after decades!!

144 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:33:39am

re: #143 sattv4u2

Hey ,, they caught Whitey Bulger after decades!!

Also, the press named him "DB" and he flew under the name Dan. I saw on NatGeo or Discovery the suspects initials were actually AB or something, at least the person they were looking into at the time the documentary was made.

145 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:34:19am

Two Americans jailed in Iran on charges of espionage could be released after a court hearing slated for today

[Link: www.boston.com...]

Lets hope the Iranians aren't just playing a Lucy/ Charlie Brown here

146 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:34:31am

Good Morning Honcos!

147 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:35:05am

re: #146 rwdflynavy

Good Morning Honcos!

It will be if you brought donuts!!

148 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:35:37am

re: #147 sattv4u2

It will be if you brought donuts!!

Yep, They are Coconut ones, from Tim's!!

149 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:36:00am

re: #148 rwdflynavy

Yep, They are Coconut ones, from Tim's!!

LOL

someones been lurking!!

150 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:36:19am

re: #148 rwdflynavy

Yep, They are Coconut ones, from Tim's!!

I'm not falling for that, again.
/

151 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:36:51am

re: #145 sattv4u2

Two Americans jailed in Iran on charges of espionage could be released after a court hearing slated for today

[Link: www.boston.com...]

Lets hope the Iranians aren't just playing a Lucy/ Charlie Brown here

As a semi-avid hiker, I have a hard time mustering sympathy for these low-watt bulbs.

152 darthstar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:37:00am

Mornin' sludge.

153 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:37:22am

re: #151 rwdflynavy

As a semi-avid hiker, I have a hard time mustering sympathy for these low-watt bulbs.

I understand, but still, in an Iranian prison for (coming up on) two years now!

154 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:37:22am

re: #145 sattv4u2

Two Americans jailed in Iran on charges of espionage could be released after a court hearing slated for today

[Link: www.boston.com...]

Lets hope the Iranians aren't just playing a Lucy/ Charlie Brown here

Dinnerjacket will try to make himself look good. Kinda like with the British soldier fiasco.

155 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:37:31am

re: #152 darthstar

Mornin' sludge.

Werd.

156 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:37:47am

re: #152 darthstar

Mornin' sludge.

Call Roto Rooter

157 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:38:48am

re: #153 sattv4u2

I understand, but still, in an Iranian prison for (coming up on) two years now!

Captain Oveur: Joey, have you ever been in a... in a Turkish prison?

158 darthstar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:40:08am

So, aside from coconut donuts and a wasted glory-hole joke opportunity, what's going on this morning? Have we come to an agreement on the deficit ("we" being everyone here...not congress)

159 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:40:17am

re: #157 rwdflynavy

Captain Oveur: Joey, have you ever been in a... in a Turkish prison?

Joey, do you like movies about gladiators

160 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:40:56am

re: #158 darthstar

So, aside from coconut donuts and a wasted glory-hole joke opportunity, what's going on this morning? Have we come to an agreement on the deficit ("we" being everyone here...not congress)

Yes. We decided you owe us all money. So pony up.

161 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:41:24am

re: #158 darthstar

So, aside from coconut donuts and a wasted glory-hole joke opportunity, what's going on this morning? Have we come to an agreement on the deficit ("we" being everyone here...not congress)

Read something this a.m. that they are crossing T's and dotting I's on a compromise

162 darthstar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:42:14am

re: #160 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yes. We decided you owe us all money. So pony up.

Fine...you can have my favorite.

163 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:42:15am

re: #159 sattv4u2

Joey, do you like movies about gladiators

Captain Oveur: You ever been in a cockpit before?
Joey: No sir, I've never been up in a plane before.
Captain Oveur: You ever seen a grown man naked?

164 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:42:26am
165 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:43:48am

re: #164 Obdicut

Here's some pics of my brother with some wolf cubs.

What does the 49 107 mean?

166 darthstar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:44:25am

re: #164 Obdicut

Here's some pics of my brother with some wolf cubs.

Sweet...and you were raised by gophers?

167 Shropshire_Slasher  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:44:30am

re: #164 Obdicut

Awe that cub is trying out for the Rockettes!

168 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:45:04am

re: #165 Cannadian Club Akbar

What does the 49 107 mean?

It's the number they assign to that cub. So, when they write down his weight and health and all the rest, that's under cub 49 107.

He said it's amazingly quickly you get to be able to recognize individual wolves. He can recognize an adult wolf if he saw it as a pup.

169 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:46:51am

re: #158 darthstar

re: #161 sattv4u2

Read something this a.m. that they are crossing T's and dotting I's on a compromise

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

170 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:47:52am

re: #168 Obdicut

It's the number they assign to that cub

I wonder at what age the cub can legally change his name!?!
/

171 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:48:33am

re: #170 sattv4u2

It's the number they assign to that cub

I wonder at what age the cub can legally change his name!?!
/

I changed mine to 714 2112.
/

172 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:49:38am

re: #171 Cannadian Club Akbar

D'oh!! Didn't mean for that to look like a phone number.

173 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:50:01am

re: #171 Cannadian Club Akbar

I changed mine to 714 2112.
/

I knew a guy named Joe Shitz

Growing up, he hated it. took a lot of ribbing

When he turned 18 he had it legally changed to


Frank Shitz

174 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:51:17am

re: #172 Cannadian Club Akbar

D'oh!! Didn't mean for that to look like a phone number.

I just called it
The lady that answered said to tell you that the rabbit has died!

175 RogueOne  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:52:12am

re: #169 sattv4u2

re: #161 sattv4u2

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

I don't believe that's going to be good enough for Moodys or S&P

176 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:53:03am

Added a couple more pics of the pups.

177 RogueOne  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:53:21am

I'm about to mod my DroidX to CM7. Anyone have any experience with it?

178 darthstar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:53:56am

re: #161 sattv4u2

Read something this a.m. that they are crossing T's and dotting I's on a compromise

I don't think it's too late for a clean bill. McConnell is talking about a deal being close but the White House is denying it. McConnell is probably still sore after Harry Reid ripped him a new asshole yesterday by calling him out for his bullshit press conferences while junior Senators were seriously negotiating a compromise.

179 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:54:16am

re: #177 RogueOne

I'm about to mod my DroidX to CM7. Anyone have any experience with it?

Yes

(even though I have NO clues as to what that means!)

180 darthstar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:54:45am

re: #179 sattv4u2

Yes

(even though I have NO clues as to what that means!)

He's about to turn his phone into a paperweight.

181 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:54:50am

re: #174 sattv4u2

I just called it
The lady that answered said to tell you that the rabbit has died!

You do realize that anyone under the age of 40 has no idea what that means.

182 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:54:53am

re: #175 RogueOne

I don't believe that's going to be good enough for Moodys or S&P

That's the main part about this that pisses me off. Moody and S&P have a terrible goddamn track record as far as giving out ratings goes. Terrible. They've frequently given AAA ratings to crap that turned out to be goddamn junk. Why anyone pays attention to them I have no clue.

The actual market for government bonds is so damn good that its cheaper for us to borrow money to pay for large capital investments then fund them with tax revenue as we go along.

183 RogueOne  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:55:22am

re: #180 darthstar

He's about to turn his phone into a paperweight.

Thanks for all your support! Now you've jinxed me.

184 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:55:39am

re: #15 elizajane

Indeed. The last person to serve that alien master is currently awaiting sentencing in Chicago for a lengthy string of corruption charges.

Why has nobody put two and two together before??

Because the only thing Perry and Blago have in common is that they're both assholes. Perry's a Texas Republican whose support is from social and religious conservatives, while Blago is a Democrat and a product of the Chicago Machine. These are two very different factions, though neither are very honest or really democratic. Both are very mono-partisan and hostile towards dissent.

185 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:55:46am

re: #178 darthstar

Satt's link was only 5 minutes old when posted. These guys will get it done. Then the media can hope another blonde teenager gets kidnapped/killed to fill their time.

186 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:55:49am

re: #181 marjoriemoon

You do realize that anyone under the age of 40 has no idea what that means.

Yeah, but anyone under 40 DOES know how to GOOGLE!!!

187 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:55:55am

re: #183 RogueOne

Thanks for all your support! Now you've jinxed me.

Break a leg phone.

188 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:56:35am

re: #181 marjoriemoon

You do realize that anyone under the age of 40 has no idea what that means.

I was gonna mention that people would be shaking their heads. Heh.

189 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:57:28am

re: #188 Cannadian Club Akbar

I was gonna mention that people would be shaking their heads. Heh.

And if you had shaken your own, the rabbit would still be alive!!

190 darthstar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:57:32am

re: #185 Cannadian Club Akbar

Satt's link was only 5 minutes old when posted. These guys will get it done. Then the media can hope another blonde teenager gets kidnapped/killed to fill their time.

They're going Casey Anthony on the Italian murder trial of yet another American killer who looks good on camera already. The fat blonde host on MSNBC just mocked, MOCKED! Italian police for mishandling evidence...with a straight face, mind you.

191 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:58:38am

re: #189 sattv4u2

And if you had shaken your own, the rabbit would still be alive!!

Hollywood will be remaking Rabbit Test in 3,2,1....

192 darthstar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:59:08am

Okay...time to get my butt moving. At my sister's house as she and my wife are participating in the Tiburon Triathlon this morning...I've got to scoot over to the starting line to meet up and take pictures of them entering the Bay for the swim.

193 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:59:10am

YYIIPPPEEEE

15 minutes till chicken pot pie time!!

(yes ,,, it's 10 a.m. here ,,, but with the work schedule I'm on thats dinner time!)

194 RogueOne  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 6:59:28am

re: #190 darthstar

They're going Casey Anthony on the Italian murder trial of yet another American killer who looks good on camera already. The fat blonde host on MSNBC just mocked, MOCKED! Italian police for mishandling evidence...with a straight face, mind you.

I keep going back and forth on that story. I can't decide if she's guilty or not but she's hot so I say put her back on the market.///

195 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:00:11am

re: #194 RogueOne

I keep going back and forth on that story. I can't decide if she's guilty or not but she's hot so I say put her back on the market.///

Is this the Amanda Knox case or is there a new one?

196 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:00:42am

So are Democrats onboard now with cutting Medicare and Social Security? WTF? And what are they going to cut exactly? This is all very upsetting.

197 RogueOne  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:01:16am

re: #195 Cannadian Club Akbar

Is this the Amanda Knox case or is there a new one?

Knox is the only hot italian killing american female that I know of. There's probably more though.

198 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:02:18am

re: #181 marjoriemoon

You do realize that anyone under the age of 40 has no idea what that means.

Rabbit dying reminds me of Sweet Emotion by Aerosmith and the MASH episode where they operated on Radar's rabbit to do a pregnancy test for Hotlips. How's that for random!

199 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:02:43am

re: #197 RogueOne

Knox is the only hot italian killing american female that I know of. There's probably more though.

Darth said there was another one. Maybe he meant Knox.

200 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:03:25am

re: #198 rwdflynavy

Rabbit dying reminds me of Sweet Emotion by Aerosmith and the MASH episode where they operated on Radar's rabbit to do a pregnancy test for Hotlips. How's that for random!

I'm not getting the Sweet Emotion reference, but yea, that's pretty random.

I started thinking where they hell was PETA when all those little bunnies were giving their lives for pregnant ladies.

201 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:03:28am

re: #196 marjoriemoon

So are Democrats onboard now with cutting Medicare and Social Security? WTF? And what are they going to cut exactly? This is all very upsetting.

If you find a list, let me know, because I've yet to see anybody say where all these cuts are supposed to be coming from. Plenty of large numbers and general categories (i.e. "discretionary spending"), but nobody wanting to put their name to any of the cuts that will ultimately happen.

202 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:03:40am

re: #198 rwdflynavy

Rabbit dying reminds me of Sweet Emotion by Aerosmith and the MASH episode where they operated on Radar's rabbit to do a pregnancy test for Hotlips. How's that for random!

I thought the rabbit had to die? And it wouldn't have had to if Hot Lips wasn't a hussy biotch!!!

203 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:04:49am

re: #200 marjoriemoon

I'm not getting the Sweet Emotion reference, but yea, that's pretty random.

I started thinking where they hell was PETA when all those little bunnies were giving their lives for pregnant ladies.

I pulled into town in a police car
Your daddy said I took you just a little too far
You're telling me things but your girlfriend lied
You can't catch me 'cause the rabbit done died
Yes it did

204 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:05:08am

re: #201 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I still am gobsmacked by the sheer fucking idiocy of people who think that in the middle of the recession is a good time for austerity measures.

205 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:06:37am

re: #201 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

If you find a list, let me know, because I've yet to see anybody say where all these cuts are supposed to be coming from. Plenty of large numbers and general categories (i.e. "discretionary spending"), but nobody wanting to put their name to any of the cuts that will ultimately happen.

If I hear the word ENTITLEMENT one more time, I'm gonna start screaming. All the Dems are now speaking about cutting these programs by way of "Oh yes, there has to be reform" but no one is saying WHAT it will be and that scares the crap outa me. I have (we all have) elderly relatives who are barely surviving as it is.

206 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:06:43am

re: #202 Cannadian Club Akbar

I thought the rabbit had to die? And it wouldn't have had to if Hot Lips wasn't a hussy biotch!!!

Radar made them operate and remove the rabbit's ovaries without killing it.

207 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:07:05am

re: #203 rwdflynavy

I pulled into town in a police car
Your daddy said I took you just a little too far
You're telling me things but your girlfriend lied
You can't catch me 'cause the rabbit done died
Yes it did

Oh crap LOL There ya go.

208 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:08:57am

re: #206 rwdflynavy

Radar made them operate and remove the rabbit's ovaries without killing it.

Radar is a punk. Remember when Charles (IIRC) gave his rat amphetamines to win a race and he bitched about it? If you're not cheating, you're not trying!!!
////

209 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:11:44am

re: #208 Cannadian Club Akbar

Radar is a punk. Remember when Charles (IIRC) gave his rat amphetamines to win a race and he bitched about it? If you're not cheating, you're not trying!!!
///

Dissin on Radar and Hotlips. Tsk. Tsk. You're treading into bad territory there, son.

210 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:13:36am

re: #204 Obdicut

I still am gobsmacked by the sheer fucking idiocy of people who think that in the middle of the recession is a good time for austerity measures.

It's political opportunism, nothing more. The GOP's doing what it does best, arguing that its ideology is the answer to America's ills. In this case, they seem to have struck a cord, convincing folks that gutting "entitlements" is the only way to get America's financial house in order. Yeah, after 3 decades of "deficits don't matter," now they all "found religion" and want to tackle America's debt.

Sad part is, the Democrats are buying into it, if only because it's selling with the idiots on both sides of the aisle.

211 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:13:54am

re: #208 Cannadian Club Akbar

You fuck with Radar, you're going to find out your mail has been delivered to Siberia, your leave papers got used to line the toilet, and the mess hall thinks you're a vegan and all your meals are dry toast.

212 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:15:28am

re: #210 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I do find it funny that even the corporations are panicking, with the Chamber of Commerce telling the GOP to stop being such idiots. But they can't control the glibertarian foolishness that they've spent so damn much money propagandizing. Congrats, morons.

213 Surabaya Stew  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:17:31am

re: #201 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

If you find a list, let me know, because I've yet to see anybody say where all these cuts are supposed to be coming from. Plenty of large numbers and general categories (i.e. "discretionary spending"), but nobody wanting to put their name to any of the cuts that will ultimately happen.

Chicken shits, all of those who want to cut spending and take no credit for their decisions. What makes these congresspeople think that this won't be remembered in 2012?

214 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:19:57am

re: #205 marjoriemoon

If I hear the word ENTITLEMENT one more time, I'm gonna start screaming. All the Dems are now speaking about cutting these programs by way of "Oh yes, there has to be reform" but no one is saying WHAT it will be and that scares the crap outa me. I have (we all have) elderly relatives who are barely surviving as it is.

Oddly enough, FDR predicted the GOP's current ideology decades ago:

215 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:21:41am

re: #213 Surabaya Stew

Chicken shits, all of those who want to cut spending and take no credit for their decisions. What makes these congresspeople think that this won't be remembered in 2012?

The fact that it never is?

Voters remember exactly what media campaigns tell them to. Given the stranglehold Conservative cult media has on the US mass media as a whole, I'm starting to believe that there really are no consequences for the cult from this debacle.

216 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:21:59am

re: #204 Obdicut

I still am gobsmacked by the sheer fucking idiocy of people who think that in the middle of the recession is a good time for austerity measures.

The problem is the politics. When the public is worried about money is the best time to convince them budget cuts are needed. When they're flush, they don't want to cut back. So it's more of an intuitive rationale, rather than a logical one.

217 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:22:13am

re: #210 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It's political opportunism, nothing more. The GOP's doing what it does best, arguing that its ideology is the answer to America's ills. In this case, they seem to have struck a cord, convincing folks that gutting "entitlements" is the only way to get America's financial house in order. Yeah, after 3 decades of "deficits don't matter," now they all "found religion" and want to tackle America's debt.

Sad part is, the Democrats are buying into it, if only because it's selling with the idiots on both sides of the aisle.

And since when is social security an "entitlement?" WE pay into SS. That's our fucking money. Medicare is a necessity and the closer you get to retirement, the more you understand that.

I can hardly believe there are no other places to cut spending than on necessary programs.

218 Surabaya Stew  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:22:40am

DING DING DING!!!!!

Thanks Wozzablog; your upding put me up to 2000 karma!

Anyone else care to give me a boost towards 3k?

:-D

219 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:23:03am

re: #214 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

You should do a page on that.

220 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:23:43am

re: #217 marjoriemoon

And since when is social security an "entitlement?" WE pay into SS. That's our fucking money. Medicare is a necessity and the closer you get to retirement, the more you understand that.

I can hardly believe there are no other places to cut spending than on necessary programs.

It reminds me of what Reine has said about Bobby Jindal trying to take the stored money in the state worker's plan in Louisiana away from them. It's money they've saved, and he's trying to simply take it. It's kind of insane.

221 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:24:23am

re: #218 Surabaya Stew

Congrats :p

222 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:25:52am

re: #216 Dark_Falcon

The problem is the politics. When the public is worried about money is the best time to convince them budget cuts are needed. When they're flush, they don't want to cut back. So it's more of an intuitive rationale, rather than a logical one.

True. And the GOP-- and the acres of right-wing front groups-- are helping this along, helping to dumb down and mislead the public. It's really aggravating.

The most aggravating part is their lack of knowledge of history. Last time we went into a really massive recession, during the Great Depression, it resulted, in the end, in a huge expansion of government programs and liberal policies being put into place.

Why on earth do they think this time will be different, if they force us into default or tank the economy by slowing the velocity of money?

223 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:26:23am

re: #217 marjoriemoon

And since when is social security an "entitlement?" WE pay into SS. That's our fucking money. Medicare is a necessity and the closer you get to retirement, the more you understand that.

I can hardly believe there are no other places to cut spending than on necessary programs.

The problem is that Medicare is going bankrupt and even with Obama's health care law, that won't change absent major action. Medicare as we know it has to end, it simply costs too much to continue. That will hurt some people in the changeover, but there's nothing for it. This has to be done.

224 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:27:25am

re: #213 Surabaya Stew

Chicken shits, all of those who want to cut spending and take no credit for their decisions. What makes these congresspeople think that this won't be remembered in 2012?

The same reason it wasn't remember in 2010: The average voter has all the memory of a goldfish and the attention span of a gnat. These are people who ended up convinced that it was the "runaway spending" of a single year that was dragging America down, rather than the preceding 8 years of two wars, an unfunded prescription drug program, and a decade-long tax cut.

225 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:27:50am

re: #223 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that Medicare is going bankrupt and even with Obama's health care law, that won't change absent major action. Medicare as we know it has to end, it simply costs too much to continue. That will hurt some people in the changeover, but there's nothing for it. This has to be done.

Changeover to what? What cogent alternative do you think there is?

226 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:28:12am

re: #223 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that Medicare is going bankrupt and even with Obama's health care law, that won't change absent major action. Medicare as we know it has to end, it simply costs too much to continue.

Why the hell don't you want to address the reasons why medicare is costing so much-- the rising health care costs?

Do you think it's really an option to just let our seniors go without care by the millions? Or to beggar themselves in order to receive basic care?

Why not fix it, instead of throwing it out?

227 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:30:37am

re: #226 Obdicut

Why the hell don't you want to address the reasons why medicare is costing so much-- the rising health care costs?

Do you think it's really an option to just let our seniors go without care by the millions? Or to beggar themselves in order to receive basic care?

Why not fix it, instead of throwing it out?

I don't believe it should be throw out. I want it reworked instead. But costs are the bugbear and that's a tough issue in and of itself.

And I should have stayed out of this conversation because I have to leave in 5 minutes. I know that just "BBL" would look like a dodge, so I'm giving advance warning.

228 Surabaya Stew  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:30:43am

re: #220 Obdicut

It reminds me of what Reine has said about Bobby Jindal trying to take the stored money in the state worker's plan in Louisiana away from them. It's money they've saved, and he's trying to simply take it. It's kind of insane.

Reminds me of how facist/authoritarian governments throughout history would repudiate or seize citizen held bonds/retirement savings in order to finance their preferred spending priorities.

229 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:32:27am

re: #227 Dark_Falcon

I don't believe it should be throw out. I want it reworked instead. But costs are the bugbear and that's a tough issue in and of itself.

Yes. And that wouldn't be fixed by ending medicare. What you'd do is cause massive poverty and suffering among the elderly, without actually solving the problem.

I have no idea why you think anyone should support that.

230 Surabaya Stew  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:33:02am

re: #221 wozzablog

Congrats :p

Hey, I remember these kinda things; still have a soft spot for Zora for her granting of my 1000th karma.

So consider yourself part of an elite group!

:-)

231 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:33:24am

re: #223 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that Medicare is going bankrupt and even with Obama's health care law, that won't change absent major action. Medicare as we know it has to end, it simply costs too much to continue. That will hurt some people in the changeover, but there's nothing for it. This has to be done.

End? Really? You have no idea of the fallout of that. You're a young man. Now, if we had universal healthcare, I may, MAY, think that Medicare could be cut SOMEWHAT, but if you want the elderly to die, than go ahead and advocate ending Medicare. And no, I'm not being hyperbolic in the least.

232 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:33:36am

re: #228 Surabaya Stew

Reminds me of how facist/authoritarian governments throughout history would repudiate or seize citizen held bonds/retirement savings in order to finance their preferred spending priorities.

US Steel screwed my mother out of her widow's pension in 1967, arguing that even though my dad had worked there for 30 years, he ws not retired when he died, so she was not eligible.

Had it not been for Social Security, we would have lost our home and been destitute.

She later found out about a class-action suit filed against USX (the successor to US Steel) and was able to apply for a small dettlement, but it was really only a patch on what was owed to her and did nothing to replace the money when we needed it.

233 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:33:52am

re: #227 Dark_Falcon

I don't believe it should be throw out. I want it reworked instead. But costs are the bugbear and that's a tough issue in and of itself.

And I should have stayed out of this conversation because I have to leave in 5 minutes. I know that just "BBL" would look like a dodge, so I'm giving advance warning.

I want Medicare as we know it to end. Do single payer w/ Cadillac insurance options for the rich--like the Italian/Israeli model.

234 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:34:40am

re: #214 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Oddly enough, FDR predicted the GOP's current ideology decades ago:

[Video]

James Madison also worried about it at length in Federalist #10, warning against the rise of "factions" in the government, which he defined as:

a number of citizens, whether amounting to a majority or a minority of the whole, who are united and actuated by some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adverse to the rights of other citizens, or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community.

In other words, the Tea Party.

235 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:34:47am

Tell me the Medicare cuts first. This is all very vague. Meanwhile, the Republicans who advocate this all back Ryan's plan which effectively guts Medicare completely.

236 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:35:17am

re: #229 Obdicut

Yes. And that wouldn't be fixed by ending medicare. What you'd do is cause massive poverty and suffering among the elderly, without actually solving the problem.

I have no idea why you think anyone should support that.

Short-term gains, of course. Generally those who are proposing it are either:

A) Well-off enough that such programs will be pointless for them.
B) Convinced that all the money they "save" from those programs ending will put them in group A by the time they'd qualify anyway.

237 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:36:49am

re: #234 negativ

And, of course, the founding fathers were also extremely leery about the power of corporations, which they saw as a threat to individual liberty and the general public-- and that was back when corporations had far less power and legal protection than they do today.

But hey, that's just the real history of the founding fathers, it's not as cool as the "They were Christ-warriors who ended slavery" version.

238 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:37:54am

re: #220 Obdicut

It reminds me of what Reine has said about Bobby Jindal trying to take the stored money in the state worker's plan in Louisiana away from them. It's money they've saved, and he's trying to simply take it. It's kind of insane.

He's trying to sell it. He can't take the money because it's was gained from employee premiums so it's not state money. So he wants to sell the plan (along with its surplus) that provides our health coverage with less than 4% overhead, and sell it to a private company that you know will be trying to make a profit and overhead will be 7% or more. How is that saving anything? The plan is partially privatized now, as it is, but in a way that works very very well.

I'm still very upset about this, he's moving along with the plan to sell it.

239 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:39:17am

re: #228 Surabaya Stew

Reminds me of how facist/authoritarian governments throughout history would repudiate or seize citizen held bonds/retirement savings in order to finance their preferred spending priorities.

Well, yeah - that does seem to be Jindal's plan.

240 Surabaya Stew  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:39:17am

What has to end is the employee sponsored healthcare/insurance. What does ones boss have to do with ones choice of doctor or pharmaceutical plan? Single payer or subsidized individual plans have to replace our screwed up system, IMHO.

241 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:39:22am

re: #238 reine.de.tout

He's trying to sell it. He can't take the money because it's was gained from employee premiums so it's not state money. So he wants to sell the plan (along with its surplus) that provides our health coverage with less than 4% overhead, and sell it to a private company that you know will be trying to make a profit and overhead will be 7% or more. How is that saving anything? The plan is partially privatized now, as it is, but in a way that works very very well.

I'm still very upset about this, he's moving along with the plan to sell it.

But at least you won't be commie tranzi progs.

242 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:39:33am

re: #233 Decatur Deb

I want Medicare as we know it to end. Do single payer w/ Cadillac insurance options for the rich--like the Italian/Israeli model.

If the elderly had adequate insurance, than I guess we wouldn't need Medicare, but what would be the diff? (I misstated my thoughts upthread). It's basically the same thing.

243 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:39:44am

re: #238 reine.de.tout

It's really bizarre to me that he's not getting more flak and push-back about it. I think the myth that full privatization always saves money is just too ingrained in a lot of people's minds, more's the pity.

244 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:41:05am

re: #243 Obdicut

It's really bizarre to me that he's not getting more flak and push-back about it. I think the myth that full privatization always saves money is just too ingrained in a lot of people's minds, more's the pity.

It was completely privatized once before, years ago, and it was costing so much they created the state agency that manages it now.

There's been pushback - Jindal simply ignores it. The welfare of public employees is never high on anybody's priority list.

245 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:41:11am

re: #242 marjoriemoon

If the elderly had adequate insurance, than I guess we wouldn't need Medicare, but what would be the diff? (I misstated my thoughts upthread). It's basically the same thing.

Yup. Just simplifying the addresses for the mailman.

246 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:42:53am

re: #240 Surabaya Stew

What has to end is the employee sponsored healthcare/insurance. What does ones boss have to do with ones choice of doctor or pharmaceutical plan? Single payer or subsidized individual plans have to replace our screwed up system, IMHO.

My last health plan I got to choose my Primary doctor out of about 100. And the prescriptions were very cheap. Although some weren't covered. (Chatix wasn't covered and neither was Zyban, but I could have gotten Wellbutrin cheap. Go figure.)

247 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:43:28am

re: #243 Obdicut

It's really bizarre to me that he's not getting more flak and push-back about it. I think the myth that full privatization always saves money is just too ingrained in a lot of people's minds, more's the pity.

Considering how many stories that folks in America have been bombarded with over the decades of companies cutting corners, playing loopholes, and cheating or bullying customers in order to make more money, it still mystifies me that they keep believing that for-profit companies will work more efficiently than non-profits or government agencies.

248 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:43:46am

re: #245 Decatur Deb

Yup. Just simplifying the addresses for the mailman.

Hey! Scale down the post office. Deliver mail 3x a week. Pay bills online. Who needs them. We could cut huge amounts from the budget.

I should run for Congress :>

249 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:44:39am

re: #248 marjoriemoon

Hey! Scale down the post office. Deliver mail 3x a week. Pay bills online. Who needs them. We could cut huge amounts from the budget.

I should run for Congress :>

Don't forget Amtrack!!!
/

250 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:44:56am

re: #246 Cannadian Club Akbar

My last health plan I got to choose my Primary doctor out of about 100. And the prescriptions were very cheap. Although some weren't covered. (Chatix wasn't covered and neither was Zyban, but I could have gotten Wellbutrin cheap. Go figure.)

Zyban and Wellbutrin are the same thing.
When prescribed for smoking cessation, it's prescribed under the name "Zyban".
When prescribed for other reasons, it's prescribed under the name 'Wellbutrin".

Insurance companies don't cover smoking cessation aids. Go figure.

251 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:45:14am

re: #248 marjoriemoon

Hey! Scale down the post office. Deliver mail 3x a week. Pay bills online. Who needs them. We could cut huge amounts from the budget.

I should run for Congress :>

The US postal service, by weight of deliveries, is a branch of the direct mail advertising industry.

252 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:45:37am

re: #247 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Considering how many stories that folks in America have been bombarded with over the decades of companies cutting corners, playing loopholes, and cheating or bullying customers in order to make more money, it still mystifies me that they keep believing that for-profit companies will work more efficiently than non-profits or government agencies.

Especially when it comes to health insurance. It's always been a nightmare to deal with health insurance companies. The only bad debt I've ever had has come from insurance companies not paying my bills when they damn well should have.

I guess it's a massive form of selection bias, but it's still painful to see in others.

253 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:46:09am

re: #247 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Considering how many stories that folks in America have been bombarded with over the decades of companies cutting corners, playing loopholes, and cheating or bullying customers in order to make more money, it still mystifies me that they keep believing that for-profit companies will work more efficiently than non-profits or government agencies.

There are some things that private companies will ALWAYS do better than government agencies. Then there are other things that can ONLY be done efficiently and effectively by government.

254 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:47:04am

re: #253 reine.de.tout

There are some things that private companies will ALWAYS do better than government agencies. Then there are other things that can ONLY be done efficiently and effectively by government.

Why do you hate America capitalism?

255 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:47:11am

re: #251 Decatur Deb

The US postal service, by weight of deliveries, is a branch of the direct mail advertising industry.

Exactly. And bday, anniversary cards? Only adds to the landfill. I'm actually quite serious. It would involve job loss unfortunately, but any cuts would do that. 3x a week is harsh, maybe 4.

256 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:47:40am

re: #240 Surabaya Stew

What has to end is the employee sponsored healthcare/insurance. What does ones boss have to do with ones choice of doctor or pharmaceutical plan? Single payer or subsidized individual plans have to replace our screwed up system, IMHO.

This alone would be a huge boon to the US economy. Can you imagine how much easier it would be to hire people if you didn't have to factor in their exorbitant healthcare costs?

But no, heaven forbid we mess with the best health care in the world.

257 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:48:19am

re: #250 reine.de.tout

Zyban and Wellbutrin are the same thing.
When prescribed for smoking cessation, it's prescribed under the name "Zyban".
When prescribed for other reasons, it's prescribed under the name 'Wellbutrin".

Insurance companies don't cover smoking cessation aids. Go figure.

I know. I called BC/BS and pointed that out. Then I asked if I saw a shrink and he prescribed it to me, they would cover the DR visit and the pills. She said yes. Then I said that if I quit smoking it would save all of us in the long run. She said yes, but that's not how it works. Heh.

258 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:49:37am

re: #257 Cannadian Club Akbar

I know. I called BC/BS and pointed that out. Then I asked if I saw a shrink and he prescribed it to me, they would cover the DR visit and the pills. She said yes. Then I said that if I quit smoking it would save all of us in the long run. She said yes, but that's not how it works. Heh.

Good thing the gubmint wasn't making decisions about your health care. Didn't you feel so much more free?

259 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:50:52am

re: #253 reine.de.tout

There are some things that private companies will ALWAYS do better than government agencies. Then there are other things that can ONLY be done efficiently and effectively by government.


Look, for some the Free Market is an ideology, not just a mechanism for balancing supply and demand and directing capital flows to where it will do the most good.

And the Free Market is at best an ideal, it will always require some degree of regulation in order to function fairly and there will be some things that the Free market cannot be trusted to handle.

My favorite quote from Adam Smith, grandfather of the free market (but not a laissed-faire capitalist by any account) was "Markets are there to serve the people, people are not there to serve the markets.

But our current system is leaning towards just that: we are becoming mere tools for creating wealth and not the beneficiaries of the wealth we have helped create.

260 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:51:11am

re: #258 Renaissance_Man

Good thing the gubmint wasn't making decisions about your health care. Didn't you feel so much more free?

Yes. Because I made my own decisions.

261 kirkspencer  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:51:14am

re: #218 Surabaya Stew

DING DING DING!!!

Thanks Wozzablog; your upding put me up to 2000 karma!

Anyone else care to give me a boost towards 3k?

:-D

My dingwhoring takes a different bent. I like my karma to be multiples of my comments. Goo help me, since I actually did a happy dance when my karma doubled comments, I have no idea what I'll do if I triple..

262 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:51:15am

re: #253 reine.de.tout

There are some things that private companies will ALWAYS do better than government agencies. Then there are other things that can ONLY be done efficiently and effectively by government.

Some things work well when done for-profit, others are an utter wreck. Why? Because the pursuit of profit does not lend itself easily to caring for ones fellow man.

263 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:51:15am

re: #256 Renaissance_Man

This alone would be a huge boon to the US economy. Can you imagine how much easier it would be to hire people if you didn't have to factor in their exorbitant healthcare costs?

But no, heaven forbid we mess with the best health care in the world.

You don't have to factor their health care if you get your more-or-less legal employees from labor contractors and temp agencies. Cyber-serfdom is very effiiecent.

264 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:52:46am

re: #261 kirkspencer

My dingwhoring takes a different bent. I like my karma to be multiples of my comments. Goo help me, since I actually did a happy dance when my karma doubled comments, I have no idea what I'll do if I triple..

Goo help us all :>

265 jaunte  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:55:31am

re: #247 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Considering how many stories that folks in America have been bombarded with over the decades of companies cutting corners, playing loopholes, and cheating or bullying customers in order to make more money, it still mystifies me that they keep believing that for-profit companies will work more efficiently than non-profits or government agencies.

It would be very efficient and economical to assemble over-65's in population concentrations for delivery of healthcare, food and other services; of course they would have to be encouraged to stay in that one spot, or inefficiencies would arise. A private prison corporation would have the needed experience for keeping the thing running profitably by reducing the fanciness of the food and drink supplied. We could call it Arpaioville, or maybe the Maricopa Solution.

Unless corporate profitability is not the highest goal of a society.

266 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:55:48am

Look on greed and self-interest as forces of nature. Like any forces of nature, they hve to be controlled and channeled to bring us benfits.

Flowing water can power a turbine or irrigate a field, but uncontrolled it can wash away whole cities.

And we have been busy dismantling the dikes that contain greed and self-interest in this country because the greediest and most self-interested have convinced us that the water will flow faster that way..

267 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:56:34am

re: #264 marjoriemoon

Goo help us all :>

Goo is good for you

268 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:57:02am

re: #248 marjoriemoon

Hey! Scale down the post office. Deliver mail 3x a week. Pay bills online. Who needs them. We could cut huge amounts from the budget.

I should run for Congress :>

The vast majority of stuff I get in the mail is advertising. I don't need and don't want fliers for Home Depot and "pre-approved credit" applications 6 days a week. I don't know how much revenue that represents to the Postal Service, but it's got to be vastly expensive to haul around stuff that most people are just going to throw away.

269 Surabaya Stew  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:57:24am

re: #246 Cannadian Club Akbar

My last health plan I got to choose my Primary doctor out of about 100. And the prescriptions were very cheap. Although some weren't covered. (Chatix wasn't covered and neither was Zyban, but I could have gotten Wellbutrin cheap. Go figure.)

That's all good, but I'd rather my boss pay me more money instead of subsidizing insurance that has gone up 68% in 4 years.

And we all have different priorities. While lots of cheap pills are an attractive benefit for some, I'd rather have the confidence that acidents or cancer (I'm at high risk of both due to my Job and family background) would be fully covered without me ever having to think about the bill. In return, I'm ok with paying more for my over the counter meds.

270 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:57:51am

re: #266 ralphieboy

And, moreover, since corporations are multinational and since foreign investment is allowed, much of the corporate profits go overseas. That's not even counting those Patriotic Americans who move their companies to Dubai and other places for the tax benefits.

It still outrages me that we let people do that.

271 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:58:53am

re: #269 Surabaya Stew

So are you on board with Health Savings Accounts?

272 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:59:13am

re: #268 negativ

The vast majority of stuff I get in the mail is advertising. I don't need and don't want fliers for Home Depot and "pre-approved credit" applications 6 days a week. I don't know how much revenue that represents to the Postal Service, but it's got to be vastly expensive to haul around stuff that most people are just going to throw away.

Unless it's changed, your first-class stamp is making up some of the losses incurred by delivering perfume scratch-and-sniffs.

273 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:00:26am

re: #262 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Some things work well when done for-profit, others are an utter wreck. Why? Because the pursuit of profit does not lend itself easily to caring for ones fellow man.

To me, it's not even about caring for others at this point in the sense of some kind of "charity" which I think the Republicans equate it to. Millions of people have been working their asses off their whole lives in hopes of eeking out some kind of retirement which merely gets their bills paid and able to feed themselves without a steady income. The cost of medical care is through the roof. The housing market is still in the gutter. Utility costs are out of sight. And with few companies hiring even young people, the elderly can't get into the job market. Even those who CAN work won't be hired. How are they supposed to make ends meet?

So you bought your house 30 years ago, you raised your family, the kids are out of the house and your mortgage is paid. Now the house starts to need tending to. The roof, the plumbing, the electric, the septic (if you have one!). No one thinks about these things.

274 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:00:46am

re: #270 Obdicut

And, moreover, since corporations are multinational and since foreign investment is allowed, much of the corporate profits go overseas. That's not even counting those Patriotic Americans who move their companies to Dubai and other places for the tax benefits.

It still outrages me that we let people do that.

We not only let them do it, we're now considering a "tax holiday" to let them bring the money they've made overseas back home. We did the same thing back in '04, arguing that doing so would see that money put towards increased employment or expansion.

It instead got put towards paying stockholders and investors, with the rest going into fat bonuses for those at the top. Any guesses where it'll all go this time, with companies hesitant to spend what they actually have on hand?

275 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:01:15am

re: #272 Decatur Deb

Unless it's changed, your first-class stamp is making up some of the losses incurred by delivering perfume scratch-and-sniffs.

I've seen people (both men and women) use the perfume/cologne samples before going out. Heh.

276 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:01:20am

re: #268 negativ

The vast majority of stuff I get in the mail is advertising. I don't need and don't want fliers for Home Depot and "pre-approved credit" applications 6 days a week. I don't know how much revenue that represents to the Postal Service, but it's got to be vastly expensive to haul around stuff that most people are just going to throw away.

So I have your vote then?

277 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:03:29am

re: #273 marjoriemoon

To me, it's not even about caring for others at this point in the sense of some kind of "charity" which I think the Republicans equate it to. Millions of people have been working their asses off their whole lives in hopes of eeking out some kind of retirement which merely gets their bills paid and able to feed themselves without a steady income. The cost of medical care is through the roof. The housing market is still in the gutter. Utility costs are out of sight. And with few companies hiring even young people, the elderly can't get into the job market. Even those who CAN work won't be hired. How are they supposed to make ends meet?

So you bought your house 30 years ago, you raised your family, the kids are out of the house and your mortgage is paid. Now the house starts to need tending to. The roof, the plumbing, the electric, the septic (if you have one!). No one thinks about these things.

The reality is that the government's spend years taking money out of those funds, stuffing in IOUs, and hoping that the proverbial rainy day would never come and those IOUs would come due. Well it has, they are, and now the GOP's arguing that the programs were bad to begin with, that the money was "wasted," and ending them is the only solution.

278 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:05:28am

re: #277 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

With the goddamn irony being that interest rates are phenomenally low right now. The return on government bonds is negative. That means the government can basically make money by selling ponds, compared to inflation.

And yet still people are screaming about the debt, as if all debt is the same, as if a loan at 20% interest is the same as one at 1% interest.

279 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:05:31am

re: #256 Renaissance_Man

This alone would be a huge boon to the US economy. Can you imagine how much easier it would be to hire people if you didn't have to factor in their exorbitant healthcare costs?

But no, heaven forbid we mess with the best health care in the world.

Yes, a great boon to the insurers./
Are you aware of the differences between a plan negotiated for a large company, covering all employees versus what each of those people would get if they tried to buy individual coverage? Simple; screwed.

In any case, the cost of health care is factored into what people get paid.

280 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:07:29am

My grandfather died at 97. He started working at age of 9 and stopped in his 80s. He had about $250,000 when he retired. He really didn't even get sick until about 92. He drove a 20 yr old car, never bought new clothes, never took vacations, nothing like that.

When he got sick, it took one year to eat up that $250,000 and then Medicare kicked in, and of course, our family.

How much do YOU think you need to retire?

281 Surabaya Stew  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:08:16am

re: #271 Cannadian Club Akbar

So are you on board with Health Savings Accounts?

HSA's are a viable option for spending of up to 5k a year, but they can't work for hospital stay, long-term sickness, final days, or cancer. Myself, it wouldn't be efficient because I'm a low cost user of health care with a moderatly high chance of needing catastrophic care. For those of us who are realibly prone to being sick or need life long medication, HSA's can be useful. (Who knows, perhaps I'll be in that category one day.)

But again, they are no substitute for Heath insurance.

282 kirkspencer  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:11:17am

re: #274 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

We not only let them do it, we're now considering a "tax holiday" to let them bring the money they've made overseas back home. We did the same thing back in '04, arguing that doing so would see that money put towards increased employment or expansion.

It instead got put towards paying stockholders and investors, with the rest going into fat bonuses for those at the top. Any guesses where it'll all go this time, with companies hesitant to spend what they actually have on hand?

On the subject of business taxes, a lot of libertarian arguments took another hit from reality recently. The FAA had to stop collecting some of them due to current cuts. The passengers, contrary to libertarian beliefs, did not see savings. EVERY airline at each of the airports affected raised their rates to cover the difference.

"It's mine, mine, mine
For the taking
It's mine, boys"

283 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:11:37am

re: #281 Surabaya Stew

HSA's are a viable option for spending of up to 5k a year, but they can't work for hospital stay, long-term sickness, final days, or cancer. Myself, it wouldn't be efficient because I'm a low cost user of health care with a moderatly high chance of needing catastrophic care. For those of us who are realibly prone to being sick or need life long medication, HSA's can be useful. (Who knows, perhaps I'll be in that category one day.)

But again, they are no substitute for Heath insurance.

Medical spending accounts the same thing? They are a God send to me and we don't have a lot of medical expenses (knock wood). They also come off the top tax free.

284 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:11:43am

re: #278 Obdicut

With the goddamn irony being that interest rates are phenomenally low right now. The return on government bonds is negative. That means the government can basically make money by selling ponds, compared to inflation.

And yet still people are screaming about the debt, as if all debt is the same, as if a loan at 20% interest is the same as one at 1% interest.

Personally, I consider the bigger irony is that we wouldn't be having this discussion had the Ryan Plan passed. Why? Because it called for the addition of $6 trillion to the debt over the next decade. And yet, here they are, quibbling over adding just $1 trillion to the debt.

285 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:11:54am

re: #281 Surabaya Stew

HSA's are a viable option for spending of up to 5k a year, but they can't work for hospital stay, long-term sickness, final days, or cancer. Myself, it wouldn't be efficient because I'm a low cost user of health care with a moderatly high chance of needing catastrophic care. For those of us who are realibly prone to being sick or need life long medication, HSA's can be useful. (Who knows, perhaps I'll be in that category one day.)

But again, they are no substitute for Heath insurance.

I want to say the HSA a company that I was trying to get in with offered extra insurance in case of a catastrophic illness. I don't remember if they pitched in for it or not. I do know if I had gotten the job and saved money though an HSA, I could have taken the money with me when I left.

286 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:12:17am

re: #270 Obdicut

And, moreover, since corporations are multinational and since foreign investment is allowed, much of the corporate profits go overseas. That's not even counting those Patriotic Americans who move their companies to Dubai and other places for the tax benefits.

It still outrages me that we let people do that.

We can't prevent it and should remember that other countries allow it too. The reasons they do so are many, not just taxes. The truth is that if you pay attention to market reports and stock values, domestic corporations are sitting on record breaking profits right now. The reason they aren't spending it on capital and employees is that all of them are waiting on the other guy to move first.

Guess who the biggest "other guy" on the block is? Why, the one one laying off the single largest number of people in the country, namely states and federal.

287 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:12:42am

re: #282 kirkspencer

On the subject of business taxes, a lot of libertarian arguments took another hit from reality recently. The FAA had to stop collecting some of them due to current cuts. The passengers, contrary to libertarian beliefs, did not see savings. EVERY airline at each of the airports affected raised their rates to cover the difference.

"It's mine, mine, mine
For the taking
It's mine, boys"

Yeah, I read that. And Congress' answer? To call on the airlines to either put the money aside for when the taxes come back or to give rebates to customers. I don't know 'bout you, but I'm not holding my breath.

288 Surabaya Stew  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:13:03am

re: #280 marjoriemoon

My grandfather died at 97. He started working at age of 9 and stopped in his 80s. He had about $250,000 when he retired. He really didn't even get sick until about 92. He drove a 20 yr old car, never bought new clothes, never took vacations, nothing like that.

When he got sick, it took one year to eat up that $250,000 and then Medicare kicked in, and of course, our family.

How much do YOU think you need to retire?

That's a pretty sad story. Certainly, your Grandfather can't have been too pleased that all his savings went to some hospital rather than being able to bequeath it to his children. Nor can I imagine that it was the most efficient use of his money.

289 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:13:08am

re: #276 marjoriemoon

So I have your vote then?

If your platform involves hanging the last patent attorney with the guts of the last televangelist, then sure.

290 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:14:00am

re: #286 Naso Tang

We can't prevent it and should remember that other countries allow it too.

Of course we can. You can certainly tax assets that are being moved out of the country. We also don't have to give tax breaks for foreign income.

291 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:14:47am

When I lived in the states, the only health care I had was a $5,000 deductible plan for around $50 per month, which basically guaranteed that I would not go bankrupt if I had to go to the hospital.

Fortuately I was young and healthy and almost never had to go see a doctor about anything.

292 Surabaya Stew  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:15:37am

re: #283 marjoriemoon

Medical spending accounts the same thing? They are a God send to me and we don't have a lot of medical expenses (knock wood). They also come off the top tax free.

I'm not sure, to be honest.

293 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:17:17am

re: #288 Surabaya Stew

That's a pretty sad story. Certainly, your Grandfather can't have been too pleased that all his savings went to some hospital rather than being able to bequeath it to his children. Nor can I imagine that it was the most efficient use of his money.

He had dementia so I don't think he realized it. But it is what it is and I think a common story. Most people don't retire with that much money either.

I'm 49 and when I think about it, I panic that we aren't going to have enough. Particularly not knowing what awful illness may befall us.

294 Surabaya Stew  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:17:41am

re: #285 Cannadian Club Akbar

I want to say the HSA a company that I was trying to get in with offered extra insurance in case of a catastrophic illness. I don't remember if they pitched in for it or not. I do know if I had gotten the job and saved money though an HSA, I could have taken the money with me when I left.

Perhaps some kind a combination of the 2 (HSA's and catastrophic insurance) can be the best compromise solution to our healthcare mess.

295 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:19:30am

Catastrophic care looks like a good option on the surface, but a lot of our health care costs come from the fact that we place so little value on preventiative care...that is where the whole for-profit approach breaks down because the savings occur so far down the line that they do not show up in any sort of annual balance sheet.

296 Surabaya Stew  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:20:26am

re: #291 ralphieboy

When I lived in the states, the only health care I had was a $5,000 deductible plan for around $50 per month, which basically guaranteed that I would not go bankrupt if I had to go to the hospital.

Fortuately I was young and healthy and almost never had to go see a doctor about anything.

Sounds like a good plan to me! How long ago was that?

297 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:21:16am

My employer recently moved us all to the "It's Cheaper to Just Go Ahead and Die" plan, which perversely provides less coverage for a higher premium.

One of the shittiest things was they eliminated co-pays entirely, so now you have to pay full price for eeeeeeverything until you meet your deductible, THEN the insurance will possible kick in if they feel like it.

One immediate effect was that the cost of my prescriptions TRIPLED. As a result, I opted to stop taking a certain one of my meds. This may or may not have been the result they were hoping for.

* Don't worry, folks. It's not like I have a freezer full of dead hookers in various stages of disassembly and elaborate plans for the future, as far as anyone knows.

298 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:21:17am

re: #293 marjoriemoon

He had dementia so I don't think he realized it. But it is what it is and I think a common story. Most people don't retire with that much money either.

I'm 49 and when I think about it, I panic that we aren't going to have enough. Particularly not knowing what awful illness may befall us.

My dad retired from Verizon at 55 (actually, was bought out) and the deal was they paid his insurance until he turned 65 when medicare or whatever started. He had several hospital stays and rehab stays after being out of the hospital. I was his primary care giver the rest of the time. His every-other-day medicine was shipped to his house. His cost were low.

299 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:22:06am

1987. With All-State if I recall...I imagine the rates have gone up considerably since then. It worked because I was still young, had no chronic conditions and took care of myself.

300 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:22:32am

re: #292 Surabaya Stew

I'm not sure, to be honest.

I had cataract surgery last month. My out of pocket was about $4000 because I opted for a multi-focal lens that was not covered by insurance. Being able to see distance AND closeup is considered COSMETIC. Insurance only covered one or the other, leaving you to wear glasses for the rest of your life.

At any rate, it would have been very difficult to afford these lenses (I had the other eye done last year) without the medical expending account. I probably would have gone with the mono-focal lens. (P.S. I'm still wearing reading glasses, but I'm hoping that will stop.)

On the other hand, I now have bionic vision and can see into the future.

301 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:23:59am

re: #297 negativ

My last real job, you had deductibles with the insurance, but when you hit a certain amount, the company would reimburse you. ($25 for DR visit, $35 for a specialist, etc)

302 Surabaya Stew  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:24:19am

re: #295 ralphieboy

Catastrophic care looks like a good option on the surface, but a lot of our health care costs come from the fact that we place so little value on preventiative care...that is where the whole for-profit approach breaks down because the savings occur so far down the line that they do not show up in any sort of annual balance sheet.

Good point! Perhaps catashrophic care can be be linked to an annual medical Practicioners statement that certifies that the insurance holder is up to date with tests, vaccinations, moderately healthy life style, etc.

303 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:24:32am

re: #300 marjoriemoon

I had cataract surgery last month. My out of pocket was about $4000 because I opted for a multi-focal lens that was not covered by insurance. Being able to see distance AND closeup is considered COSMETIC. Insurance only covered one or the other, leaving you to wear glasses for the rest of your life.

At any rate, it would have been very difficult to afford these lenses (I had the other eye done last year) without the medical expending account. I probably would have gone with the mono-focal lens. (P.S. I'm still wearing reading glasses, but I'm hoping that will stop.)

On the other hand, I now have bionic vision and can see into the future.

Did they reject the bifocals as 'experimental'? That's another way top keep from paying for state-of-the-art.

304 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:25:34am

re: #300 marjoriemoon

On the other hand, I now have bionic vision and can see into the future.

Cool. What am I making for dinner?
///

305 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:25:34am

re: #295 ralphieboy

Catastrophic care looks like a good option on the surface, but a lot of our health care costs come from the fact that we place so little value on preventiative care...that is where the whole for-profit approach breaks down because the savings occur so far down the line that they do not show up in any sort of annual balance sheet.

Preventative care or wellness care is great. Not that the government wants to pay that either.

Even so, my mother was a health nut her whole life. Watched her weight, was active, didn't smoke or drink. She had two catastrophic health incidents that could have killed her having nothing to do with how she took care of herself. It's simply biology.

306 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:26:13am

re: #297 negativ

My employer recently moved us all to the "It's Cheaper to Just Go Ahead and Die" plan, which perversely provides less coverage for a higher premium.

One of the shittiest things was they eliminated co-pays entirely, so now you have to pay full price for eeeverything until you meet your deductible, THEN the insurance will possible kick in if they feel like it.

One immediate effect was that the cost of my prescriptions TRIPLED. As a result, I opted to stop taking a certain one of my meds. This may or may not have been the result they were hoping for.

* Don't worry, folks. It's not like I have a freezer full of dead hookers in various stages of disassembly and elaborate plans for the future, as far as anyone knows.

Horrifying, but not an unusual story either.

307 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:26:37am

re: #302 Surabaya Stew

Good point! Perhaps catashrophic care can be be linked to an annual medical Practicioners statement that certifies that the insurance holder is up to date with tests, vaccinations, moderately healthy life style, etc.


Then it is no longer catastrophic: just like the notion that taking the right kind of prescription meds can forestall or prevent the need for an even more expensive operation.

But if the meds are too expensive, the patient will wait until the uperation becomes unavoidable.

Like I said, the benefits of that sort of care are too long-term to show up on an insurance company's balance sheet, and that is all they are concerned about under our current system.

308 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:27:17am

re: #298 Cannadian Club Akbar

My dad retired from Verizon at 55 (actually, was bought out) and the deal was they paid his insurance until he turned 65 when medicare or whatever started. He had several hospital stays and rehab stays after being out of the hospital. I was his primary care giver the rest of the time. His every-other-day medicine was shipped to his house. His cost were low.

Because of Medicare, yes?

309 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:28:00am

re: #305 marjoriemoon

Preventative care or wellness care is great. Not that the government wants to pay that either.

Even so, my mother was a health nut her whole life. Watched her weight, was active, didn't smoke or drink. She had two catastrophic health incidents that could have killed her having nothing to do with how she took care of herself. It's simply biology.


We are talking about statistical averages over individual cases. That is the idea behind every sort of insurance. By allowing insurance companies to cherry-pick the best risks and shut out the rest, we are allowing them to make a higher profit by doing a worse job.

310 kirkspencer  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:28:09am

re: #294 Surabaya Stew

Perhaps some kind a combination of the 2 (HSA's and catastrophic insurance) can be the best compromise solution to our healthcare mess.

There are a lot of possible solutions, each (even in compromise) that would be considered "best" for different people.

From my point of view, the core of the problem lies in a simple thing which contributes to the rapidly increasing costs of health care in the US.

Profit precedes public good. The only restriction on how much a company can charge has been competition, and there's been a defacto (though not dejure) collusion that has minimized that restriction.

When a good or service has a small number of providers and is or is perceived as a necessity, lack of controls allow the providers to charge what the market will bear. A valid role of government is to counteract that allowance in lieu of what a host of competitors would do.

311 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:28:37am

re: #279 Naso Tang

Yes, a great boon to the insurers./
Are you aware of the differences between a plan negotiated for a large company, covering all employees versus what each of those people would get if they tried to buy individual coverage? Simple; screwed.

In any case, the cost of health care is factored into what people get paid.

I am totally aware of the difference in negotiation of scale, as that is what universal health care in the rest of the Western world does, to keep health care costs down. Except, of course, here, where health insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies don't allow the US government to do anything that might save money like that.

312 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:28:57am

re: #308 marjoriemoon

Because of Medicare, yes?

No. He died when he was 64. His Verizon insurance covered it.

313 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:30:07am

re: #290 Obdicut

Of course we can. You can certainly tax assets that are being moved out of the country. We also don't have to give tax breaks for foreign income.

I don't know exactly what you mean by tax breaks for foreign income. Oil company subsidies, which I don't understand either?

However if you mean tax deduction for foreign taxes paid, that is standard practice and would otherwise amount to double taxation.

If you tax assets moved out of the country, that amounts to currency controls. Do you want to have to get government permission to send money overseas? If you did you would get a one time payment and never see the money or the company come back, or foreign investors who would be unsure of being able to get their investments back.

The issue of encouraging investment in the USA is complex and not simply a matter of lowering taxes which are already very low historically (after deductions). We have already lost so much manufacturing that I suspect the domestic mindset has degenerated to not considering anything that doesn't have a quick short payback. Other countries beat us not only with lower labor costs, but with government incentives. We think government incentives are anti capitalist./

314 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:31:08am

re: #303 Decatur Deb

Did they reject the bifocals as 'experimental'? That's another way top keep from paying for state-of-the-art.

I don't know. They've been on the market maybe 10 years? My doc performed 1000s of the surgeries.

315 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:32:55am

re: #314 marjoriemoon

I don't know. They've been on the market maybe 10 years? My doc performed 1000s of the surgeries.

They're defined as 'cosmetic' because if you can't see close, you can just wear reading glasses. Thus it's totally your vanity if you want to have fully functional lenses.

But hey, at least you were free to pay thousands of dollars after paying your insurance thousands of dollars.

316 Surabaya Stew  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:32:55am

re: #307 ralphieboy

Then it is no longer catastrophic: just like the notion that taking the right kind of prescription meds can forestall or prevent the need for an even more expensive operation.

But if the meds are too expensive, the patient will wait until the uperation becomes unavoidable.

Like I said, the benefits of that sort of care are too long-term to show up on an insurance company's balance sheet, and that is all they are concerned about under our current system.

Unlike life or auto insurance companies that stick around for generations, health insurance companies tend to have short life spans that aren't conductive to long term planning. So perhaps the entire health industry needs a fundamental rethinking.

317 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:32:58am

re: #314 marjoriemoon

I don't know. They've been on the market maybe 10 years? My doc performed 1000s of the surgeries.

That's all well and good. Let's get to the important part: Do you look like Lindsay Wagner?
/

318 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:33:28am

re: #313 Naso Tang

If you tax assets moved out of the country, that amounts to currency controls. Do you want to have to get government permission to send money overseas?

Why are you comparing individual finance with corporate finance?

319 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:33:36am

re: #313 Naso Tang


another eason is that we allow foreign companies to compete with us on lower environmental and safety standards. in doing that, we are shooting ourselves in the foot and doing nobody a favorl.

i have no problem with them competing on wages, that is our incentive to work more efficiently and productively. But it bothers me that they can make a profit based on having lower standards for safety and emissions.

There should be tariffs connected to that: basically amounting to the difference in price if they were operating at US standards. That would both protect our industry and encourage them to raise their own standards.

320 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:34:43am

re: #313 Naso Tang

We have already lost so much manufacturing that I suspect the domestic mindset has degenerated to not considering anything that doesn't have a quick short payback.

This is wrong, by the way. We have more manufacturing capacity and a larger income from manufacturing than ever before. However, manufacturing has become so automated that it doesn't provide jobs. Chemical companies that make hundreds of millions employ a hundred-odd people to do so.

321 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:35:00am

re: #318 Obdicut

Why are you comparing individual finance with corporate finance?

Huh? I thought you would imagine yourself as a corporation CEO.

322 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:35:24am

re: #300 marjoriemoon

On the other hand, I now have bionic vision and can see into the future.

When I was little, I was absolutely certain that at some point most of my body would be replaced with cybernetic prosthetics, like a Borg. I looked forward to it, and thought of it as a minor rite of passage, along the lines of getting a driver's license. I was a damned weirdo. Was. I'm totally normal now, of course.

323 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:35:29am

re: #321 Naso Tang

Huh? I thought you would imagine yourself as a corporation CEO.

When you say 'send money overseas', are you talking about the individual, or the corporation?

324 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:36:29am

re: #309 ralphieboy

We are talking about statistical averages over individual cases. That is the idea behind every sort of insurance. By allowing insurance companies to cherry-pick the best risks and shut out the rest, we are allowing them to make a higher profit by doing a worse job.

True, but my point is still, no matter how well you care for yourself, you're going to die of something. Not even die, but get sick. It's genetics. Sure, the better you care for yourself, the less you have to see the doc, but conditions like arthritis, high BP, heart disease, etc. are hereditary.

325 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:36:30am

Best health care in the world!

USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!

Now where teh hell is mah Social Security check?

326 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:38:09am

re: #315 Renaissance_Man

They're defined as 'cosmetic' because if you can't see close, you can just wear reading glasses. Thus it's totally your vanity if you want to have fully functional lenses.

But hey, at least you were free to pay thousands of dollars after paying your insurance thousands of dollars.

LOL yea. I'm so vane. I probably think this thread is about me.

327 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:39:31am

re: #326 marjoriemoon

LOL yea. I'm so vane. I probably think this thread is about me.

Vain too!
//

328 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:40:04am

re: #327 rwdflynavy

Vain too!
//

GAH! I have a rooster on my head.

329 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:40:33am

re: #324 marjoriemoon

you're going to die of something

Not me

I plan on living forever

So Far, So Good!!

((although I do already have the engraving on my headstone picked out

"I TOLD YOU I WAS SICK!" ))

330 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:40:47am

re: #328 marjoriemoon

GAH! I have a rooster on my head.

Which way is it pointing? North, south, east or west?

//

331 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:41:05am

re: #327 rwdflynavy

Vain too!
//

Weather she spelled it right isn't the point!!
/

332 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:41:07am

re: #328 marjoriemoon

GAH! I have a rooster on my head.

are you chickening out now?

333 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:41:43am

re: #329 sattv4u2

you're going to die of something

Not me

I plan on living forever

So Far, So Good!!

((although I do already have the engraving on my headstone picked out

"I TOLD YOU I WAS SICK!" ))

Watch out! Obdicut has a fiendish plan for your death!!! Actually, he is just going to wait for you to die naturally, so not so fiendish after all...sorry.

334 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:42:13am

Eeks! You're trying to get me to storm out of here??

335 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:42:39am

re: #334 marjoriemoon

Eeks! You're trying to get me to storm out of here??

Nahh,,, just ruffling your feathers!

336 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:42:44am

re: #334 marjoriemoon

Eeks! You're trying to get me to storm out of here??

Not at all, we think you are quite breezy.
//

337 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:42:57am

re: #333 rwdflynavy

Watch out! Obdicut has a fiendish plan for your death!!! Actually, he is just going to wait for you to die naturally, so not so fiendish after all...sorry.

Oh, no. Obdi's brother is gonna raise wolves and when Satt is mowing his lawn, Whamo!!!
////

338 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:43:30am

re: #330 Gus 802

Which way is it pointing? North, south, east or west?

//

I have a point

But if I wear a hat, nobody notices

339 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:43:32am

None of you are well. I hope you all have a lot of insurance. :p

340 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:43:33am

re: #320 Obdicut

This is wrong, by the way. We have more manufacturing capacity and a larger income from manufacturing than ever before. However, manufacturing has become so automated that it doesn't provide jobs. Chemical companies that make hundreds of millions employ a hundred-odd people to do so.

Partly true. We had this mantra that our "high tech" would be the future, all the while ignoring that high tech by definition doesn't employ many people, and we know how great our education system is in turning out high tech knowledge as a norm./

However, can you tell me why it is impossible to buy a "high tech" manufactured coffee cup, home appliance, TV or PC that wasn't made in China or elsewhere? Japan, for instance is not a low wage country, but one reason we had a slow economy recently is that we rely on many basic materials and sub components from them that were stopped for a while after the tsunami.

Even Lear Jets I see are now manufacturing their latest corporate jet with 15% US based assembly only.

341 Digital Display  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:43:41am

re: #326 marjoriemoon

LOL yea. I'm so vane. I probably think this thread is about me.

Well you walked onto the blog
Like you were walking onto a Yacht

342 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:44:31am

re: #341 HoosierHoops

Well you walked onto the blog
Like you were walking onto a Yacht

ROFL STOP!!!!

343 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:45:53am

re: #332 sattv4u2

pun pun pun pun pun


are you chickening out now?
344 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:45:55am

re: #336 rwdflynavy

Not at all, we think you are quite breezy.
//

(I think he just called me an airhead.)

345 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:46:26am

re: #337 Cannadian Club Akbar

Oh, no. Obdi's brother is gonna raise wolves and when Satt is mowing his lawn, Whamo!!!
///

Death by plastic flying suacer

[Link: www.google.com...]

346 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:47:20am

re: #342 marjoriemoon

ROFL STOP!!!

Why? Are you flying your Lear jet up to Nova Scotia To see the total eclipse of the sun?

347 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:47:37am

re: #345 sattv4u2

Death by plastic flying suacer

[Link: www.google.com...]

saucer too.

348 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:47:46am

re: #345 sattv4u2

Death by plastic flying suacer

[Link: www.google.com...]


It's all I wanna do, whammo!
349 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:48:14am

re: #345 sattv4u2

Death by plastic flying suacer

[Link: www.google.com...]

A present for Hoops!!
Image: whamo-story.jpg

350 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:48:36am

re: #347 rwdflynavy

saucer too.

No,,, suacer

(saucer is copyrighted by them,, didn't want to get sood!!!)

//

351 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:49:55am

re: #323 Obdicut

When you say 'send money overseas', are you talking about the individual, or the corporation?

Does it matter? Obviously I meant the corporation, but it is a small step towards making it individuals if that is left as a loophole.

352 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:49:59am

re: #339 marjoriemoon

None of you are well. I hope you all have a lot of insurance. :p

Don't look at me. I'm on the Medicine Doctor Healthcare Plan™. Dr. Advil and lots of pain.

//

353 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:51:01am

re: #352 Gus 802

Don't look at me. I'm on the Medicine Doctor Healthcare Plan™. Dr. Advil and lots of pain.

//

:( I can't upding you for that, though I wanted to.

354 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:52:09am

re: #340 Naso Tang

Partly true.


No, it's absolutely true. We have a greater manufacturing capacity and a greater income from manufacturing than at any point before. The share of the economy provided by manufacturing has shrunk, but that's mainly because of the explosion of software and financials.

However, can you tell me why it is impossible to buy a "high tech" manufactured coffee cup, home appliance, TV or PC that wasn't made in China or elsewhere?

Because full automation of those things is very hard, and so labor costs are more of an issue.

Japan, for instance is not a low wage country, but one reason we had a slow economy recently is that we rely on many basic materials and sub components from them that were stopped for a while after the tsunami.

If the West Coast got hit by a big Tsumani, then Japan's economy would slow because they depend on us for a lot of stuff as well.

And Japan is a low-wage country when you factor in CEO and other officer compensation. T hey don't have our obscene salaries for CEOs, so that keeps their costs low. In the US, we use cheap Chinese labor and pay officers high salaries.

The problem with manufacturing in this country is not that we lack it, but that it doesn't produce that many jobs.

355 Digital Display  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:52:38am

I can't resist Marjoriemoon

Morning, just another day
Happy people pass my way
Looking in their eyes
I see a memory
I never realized
you made me so happy, oh Marjorie

Well you came and you gave without taking
but I sent you away, oh Marjorie
well you kissed me and stopped me from shaking
I need you today, oh Marjorie

356 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:53:33am

re: #351 Naso Tang

Does it matter?

Yes, hugely.

Obviously I meant the corporation, but it is a small step towards making it individuals if that is left as a loophole.

Are you under the impression that we don't already have regulations about foreign investment?

357 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:54:31am

re: #355 HoosierHoops

I can't resist Marjoriemoon

Morning, just another day
Happy people pass my way
Looking in their eyes
I see a memory
I never realized
you made me so happy, oh Marjorie

Well you came and you gave without taking
but I sent you away, oh Marjorie
well you kissed me and stopped me from shaking
I need you today, oh Marjorie

hehehe!!! You so sweet Hoops!!

358 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:56:18am

No maths this morning please.

//

359 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:58:19am

re: #354 Obdicut


The problem with manufacturing in this country is not that we lack it, but that it doesn't produce that many jobs.

What I said, meaning that we don't have enough of it.

Do you think coffee cups are hand molded and PCs have a large manual component? Have you ever visited an electronics assembly plant?

And it is not just cheap labor markets. The most sophisticated automated assembly plant equipment of all sorts, from packaging herrings in tins, to much of what you see on TV's "How Do They Do It" is made in Europe, not here.

360 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:59:32am

re: #356 Obdicut

Yes, hugely.

Are you under the impression that we don't already have regulations about foreign investment?

Obviously not enough for you since that is what you want to tax.

361 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:59:53am

And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

362 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:00:10am

Pam posted a signed pic of Sarah Palin for some reason this morning....

This isn't so much an election but a fight for America. The Individual vs the State -- it's a non-violent civil war.


Heh.

363 Digital Display  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:00:11am

re: #358 Gus 802

No maths this morning please.

//

Morning Gus..Don't forget the Brickyard 400 is on today at noon...Lucky for us it's only a million degrees outside..So I walked Winston at 8am when it was only 90 degrees out...

364 Digital Display  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:01:12am

re: #359 Naso Tang

What I said, meaning that we don't have enough of it.

Do you think coffee cups are hand molded and PCs have a large manual component? Have you ever visited an electronics assembly plant?

And it is not just cheap labor markets. The most sophisticated automated assembly plant equipment of all sorts, from packaging herrings in tins, to much of what you see on TV's "How Do They Do It" is made in Europe, not here.

I thought that show is produced in Canada

365 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:01:33am

Been leafing through a old thread:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

366 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:01:38am
367 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:01:40am

re: #359 Naso Tang

What I said, meaning that we don't have enough of it.

No, it's not what you said. We have a lot of it. It is highly automated, and doesn't have a lot of jobs associated with it.

Do you think coffee cups are hand molded and PCs have a large manual component? Have you ever visited an electronics assembly plant?

No to the former, yes to the second and third.

And it is not just cheap labor markets.

That's the main part of it, yes.

The most sophisticated automated assembly plant equipment of all sorts, from packaging herrings in tins, to much of what you see on TV's "How Do They Do It" is made in Europe, not here.

Why do think that?

368 Digital Display  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:02:14am

re: #361 sattv4u2

And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

You're not doing the race today? Get on home Satt

369 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:03:01am

re: #362 Killgore Trout

Pam posted a signed pic of Sarah Palin for some reason this morning...

This isn't so much an election but a fight for America. The Individual vs the State the Individual


370 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:04:02am

re: #365 Sergey Romanov

Been leafing through a old thread:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Ha! 26 down dings.

371 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:04:50am

re: #370 Gus 802

Ha! 26 down dings.

?

372 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:04:54am

re: #365 Sergey Romanov

Been leafing through a old thread:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]


A walk down memory lane.

373 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:04:55am

re: #362 Killgore Trout

Pam posted a signed pic of Sarah Palin for some reason this morning...


Heh.


The individual vs. the state: now we know why she quit as governor of Alaska: 2/3 of the land is owned by the Federal government, and one-third of all jobs are with the federal government: she couldn't bear the thought of it anymore!!!

374 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:05:25am

re: #371 Cannadian Club Akbar

?

That evolution thread. It has 26 down dings.

375 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:06:37am

re: #374 Gus 802

That evolution thread. It has 26 down dings.

I'm seeing plus 38. (it was just 37, so someone here dinged it)

376 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:07:09am

re: #375 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm seeing plus 38. (it was just 37, so someone here dinged it)

Wait. I get it. Sorry.

377 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:07:38am

re: #365 Sergey Romanov

Been leafing through a old thread:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Excellent documentary at the link, by the way. Anyone who doesn't watch it is bad and wrong and should feel inconsolably terrible about themselves.

378 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:07:49am

re: #376 Cannadian Club Akbar

Wait. I get it. Sorry.

Roger. Copy. Over.

379 kirkspencer  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:08:37am

re: #359 Naso Tang

What I said, meaning that we don't have enough of it.

Do you think coffee cups are hand molded and PCs have a large manual component? Have you ever visited an electronics assembly plant?

And it is not just cheap labor markets. The most sophisticated automated assembly plant equipment of all sorts, from packaging herrings in tins, to much of what you see on TV's "How Do They Do It" is made in Europe, not here.

On that note, keep an eye on micro-manufacturing; things like reprap and other 3D printing. The RepRap dream of a replicator (ala Star Trek) in every house is extremely unlikely. On the other hand, a local shop that can make 80% or more of unique parts based on an assembly code changes things, again.

380 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:08:44am

re: #378 Gus 802

Roger. Copy. Over.


some names I remember there and some I have never seen or heard of.

381 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:08:50am

The real question is why is a religious ideology like evolutionary materialism, which does not stand up to scientific scrutiny being taught to children as factual.
What other branch of 'science' insists on providing hopelessly flawed explanations when it is faced by a myriad of statistical impossibilities? Psychoanalysis?! Homeopathy?

Abiogenesis in particular is fantasy, it's just wishful thinking.

The Dover case is not so interesting so much for the judge's unremitting severity with the religiousness of ID - which despite my sympathies for ID I understand - but for his swallowing Ken Miller's evolutionary dogmatism uncritically, which is equally fideistic.

There are serious and frankly fatal problems with standard neo-darwinism, as professional biologists know all too well (hence for example the evo-devo school), brushing them under the carpet and pretending that an anti-theistic bias has nothing to do with smothering the critics is a living protrait of Psalm 2!

382 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:09:07am

re: #367 Obdicut

No, it's not what you said. We have a lot of it. It is highly automated, and doesn't have a lot of jobs associated with it.

You aren't paying attention to what I said. We don't have enough of it.

No to the former, yes to the second and third.

We went abroad initially partly for labor costs and party because those countries were doing all they could to get the business, including shipping our plant capital equipment there. Now their labor cost is rising but they have all the assets and we would have to start from scratch to duplicate it here. They saw that coming. We didn't.

Why do think that?

*shrug* I'm an engineer by education and I know some who work in the field.

383 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:09:08am

re: #220 Obdicut

It reminds me of what Reine has said about Bobby Jindal trying to take the stored money in the state worker's plan in Louisiana away from them. It's money they've saved, and he's trying to simply take it. It's kind of insane.

Kinda like driving up inflation through government printing money…

384 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:10:12am

This is a good one:

How do evolutionists explain the fact that, in the concentration camps, the prisoners who gave from their meager daily rations to help other prisoners survived, while those who kept every scrap of food they found for themselves perished? This is written about in Viktor Frankl's classic Man's Search for Meaning.
Or, closer to home, how to explain the willingness of young Americans to enlist in the armed forces and thereby risk their lives? From a strictly evvolutionary perspective, self-sacrifice, courage, and love of freedom make no sense -- if survival alone is the goal. There is a higher purpose in life that could only be instilled by a Higher Power.

385 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:10:30am

re: #380 Cannadian Club Akbar

some names I remember there and some I have never seen or heard of.

Yep. I just updinged the post though. But I remember more than a few of the people there. Well, not a perfect memory. Most of the anti-evolution crowd was already quiet by the time I got here in late 2008.

386 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:11:22am

re: #379 kirkspencer

On that note, keep an eye on micro-manufacturing; things like reprap and other 3D printing. The RepRap dream of a replicator (ala Star Trek) in every house is extremely unlikely. On the other hand, a local shop that can make 80% or more of unique parts based on an assembly code changes things, again.

Yes, and what are the prospect in that for employment of the millions of high school dropouts that we produce?

387 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:11:29am

re: #384 Sergey Romanov

This is a good one:

Eeek! Those are comments from that thread.

Serenity now! Serenity now! Serenity now!

388 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:11:36am

re: #372 Killgore Trout

A walk down memory lane.

In a graveyard ;)

389 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:12:22am

re: #384 Sergey Romanov

This is a good one:

You can't explain that!

390 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:13:10am

Gotta go.

391 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:14:02am

re: #382 Naso Tang

You aren't paying attention to what I said. We don't have enough of it.

I am paying attention to what your'e saying. we have a larger manufacturing base than ever before, and we have a larger income from manufacturing than ever before. It is the nature, not the size, of the industry that's the problem. You can disagree, if you like. But I understand what you're saying perfectly well.

We went abroad initially partly for labor costs and party because those countries were doing all they could to get the business, including shipping our plant capital equipment there. Now their labor cost is rising but they have all the assets and we would have to start from scratch to duplicate it here. They saw that coming. We didn't.

True enough. Not sure what this has to do with anything we're talking about.

*shrug* I'm an engineer by education and I know some who work in the field.

I'm sorry, claims to personal authority aren't really impressive. Especially when you're making claims about the entirety of manufacturing. I work in the consumer electronics field, as well. We have extremely advanced automation in the US-- it does tend to be more for chemicals than tool and die, but we have a lot of tool and die as well.

392 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:14:37am

re: #389 Sergey Romanov

You can't explain that!

Obviously, the person who wrote that never read Primo Levi.

Have you read him, by the way?

393 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:15:42am

re: #389 Sergey Romanov

One of the things that kept me on this site even back when it was a lot more conweervative and anti-Islamist was that they had a healthy attitude about science, AGW and evolution, which was not typical of a lot of other right-wing blogger sites.

394 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:16:05am

re: #392 Obdicut

Obviously, the person who wrote that never read Primo Levi.

Have you read him, by the way?

No, neither Levi, nor Frankl.

395 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:16:39am

re: #394 Sergey Romanov

No, neither Levi, nor Frankl.

I highly recommend The Drowned and the Saved and Survival in Auschwitz. They are meticulous and incredibly thoughtful.

396 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:16:45am

re: #393 ralphieboy

One of the things that kept me on this site even back when it was a lot more conweervative and anti-Islamist was that they had a healthy attitude about science, AGW and evolution, which was not typical of a lot of other right-wing blogger sites.

Actually it was AGW-denialist back then.

397 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:17:44am

re: #395 Obdicut

I highly recommend The Drowned and the Saved and Survival in Auschwitz. They are meticulous and incredibly thoughtful.

To be clear, that's

The Drowned and the Saved

and

Survival in Auschwitz.

Two books, not one, or three. Heh.

398 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:20:00am

re: #396 Sergey Romanov

I joined in 2007, and as a rule I totally ignore AGW threads, they are just endless bickering, flaming and tailspin

399 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:20:47am

re: #398 ralphieboy

I joined in 2007, and as a rule I totally ignore AGW threads, they are just endless bickering, flaming and tailspin

I think I have posted 1 comment on those threads.

400 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:22:47am

re: #399 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think I have posted 1 comment on those threads.


I have one standard comment: "Al Gore!!!"

sets the flamethrowers off like mad

401 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:22:56am

re: #398 ralphieboy

I joined in 2007, and as a rule I totally ignore AGW threads, they are just endless bickering, flaming and tailspin

Lost of Gorewin™.

AGW threads almost always, and immediately, led to Al Gore bashing. I never took part in the bashing and I'm still not crazy about Gore.

402 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:23:36am

re: #401 Gus 802

LostLOTS of Gorewin™.

AGW threads almost always, and immediately, led to Al Gore bashing. I never took part in the bashing and I'm still not crazy about Gore.

"Lots" not "lost". Although "lost" sounds pretty cool. /

403 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:24:23am

Gorewin's Law -- Where all threads on AGW eventually lead to Al Gore.

//

404 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:24:38am

re: #401 Gus 802

He made a mistake of thinking he could retire from politics and make AGW a non-political issue, or one that is above politics.

Instead he served as a lighting rod for everyone who denies AGW for political/idological reasons.

405 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:24:44am

re: #400 ralphieboy

re: #401 Gus 802

Guys, show ManBearPig some fucking respect!!!
///

406 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:24:49am

Sorry, but anything promoted by PBS -- global warming, retreat from Iraq, a Palestinian state, the theory of evolution --
should not be taken seriously.

407 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:24:56am

Morning all!

Slept for 12 hours straight.

How are you?

408 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:26:09am

re: #406 Sergey Romanov

Argumentum ad PBSum?

//

409 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:26:15am

re: #402 Gus 802

"Lots" not "lost". Although "lost" sounds pretty cool. /

410 Lidane  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:26:28am

re: #407 ggt

Morning all!

Slept for 12 hours straight.

How are you?

Not bad, considering I woke up this morning to my girl cat puking on my pillow. And the boy cat had a crisis earlier since he couldn't find one of his stuffed toys.

Today's been entertaining. Heh.

411 laZardo  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:27:14am

re: #407 ggt

Morning all!

Slept for 12 hours straight.

How are you?

I:

You?

412 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:27:36am

re: #410 Lidane

Not bad, considering I woke up this morning to my girl cat puking on my pillow. And the boy cat had a crisis earlier since he couldn't find one of his stuffed toys.

Today's been entertaining. Heh.

Cat Puke?

How does that happen?

No matter what I do, feed, or administer, there is always cat puke. Must be some law of the universe.

413 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:27:39am

It can't be true! It's from PBS!!11ty

414 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:27:57am

re: #411 laZardo

I:

You?

Me, I'm awake and on my first cuppa.

415 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:28:37am

re: #413 Gus 802

or the SPLC.

They are librull you know. . .

/

416 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:29:32am

re: #413 Gus 802

You can have my "Moody Blues Live at Red Rocks with the Colorado Orchestra" when you pry it from my cold dead hands!

417 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:30:04am

re: #413 Gus 802

Quite a lot of cognitive dissonance in that thread, evolution v AGW-wise. How to explain that one is science and another isn't? People had yet to see the light :)

418 Lidane  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:30:28am

re: #412 ggt

Cat food goes in, cat puke comes out. You can't explain that!

419 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:31:13am

re: #418 Lidane

Cat food goes in, cat puke comes out. You can't explain that!

I thought about shaving the cat naked. I figured no hair, no hair-balls.

Cat Overlord was not amused at the idea and vetoed it.

420 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:32:48am

Weather in my part of the world.

Hot, rain, more hot, more rain. Then it will get dark.

421 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:33:17am

re: #417 Sergey Romanov

Quite a lot of cognitive dissonance in that thread, evolution v AGW-wise. How to explain that one is science and another isn't? People had yet to see the light :)

Did you see this one?

Well i find it funny that people rather believe they evolved (collectivist codeword)from a monkey rather being created a Unique Individual. But hay if their is no hard right and wrong who to say raping a women is wrong or hell if their is no right or wrong who is to say hitler was wrong for killing the Jews hell hitler used evolution as a justification for his Butchery. Without a Hard right and wrong who is to say the kkk was wrong for oppressing black people or maybe the muslims are right for making women be their slaves thats where Moral Relativism leads to.

It's got -9. No one updinged it. Fortunately. Weird stuff.

422 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:33:28am

re: #419 ggt

I thought about shaving the cat naked. I figured no hair, no hair-balls.

Cat Overlord was not amused at the idea and vetoed it.

Why do you have to be naked to shave a cat?
/

423 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:34:11am

re: #416 Cannadian Club Akbar

You can have my "Moody Blues Live at Red Rocks with the Colorado Orchestra" when you pry it from my cold dead hands!

You need an intervention. Nobody was meant to voluntarily wear Polo shirts, pleated khaki pants, and brown shoes with the little tassels on them.

424 Digital Display  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:34:41am

re: #414 ggt

Me, I'm awake and on my first cuppa.

Well good morning princess..The first cup of Java is always the best...
I got up early to watch the Hungarian Grad Prix live..Went to breakfast with Winston tagging along.. Walked the Dog..Talked to Paulie out at the track..Rascal Flatts is playing right now.. Wishing I was in Indy today at the track with my buds..I do have cold beer and snacks

425 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:35:00am

re: #420 ggt

Weather in my part of the world.

Hot, rain, more hot, more rain. Then it will get dark.

boo-effin-hoo.

426 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:35:06am

Evolution is a COLLECTIVIST code word!!11ty

427 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:35:11am

re: #403 Gus 802

Gorewin's Law -- Where all threads on AGW eventually lead to Al Gore.

//

Lock-box.

428 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:35:14am

re: #421 Gus 802

What a creep, eh?

429 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:35:23am

Stared Claudius the God on audio. So far, so good.

In all of my Rome reading this year, I have yet to see any examples of how human beings have evolved since Romulus and Remus.

430 Lidane  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:36:03am

re: #419 ggt

I thought about shaving the cat naked. I figured no hair, no hair-balls.

Cat Overlord was not amused at the idea and vetoed it.

I know this is a dumb question, but have you tried hairball control cat food? Some of them are a bit pricey, but given the choice of paying more for food or cleaning up hairballs, I know what I'd choose.

431 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:36:11am

re: #421 Gus 802

Did you see this one?

It's got -9. No one updinged it. Fortunately. Weird stuff.

evolving from monkeys = KKK.

How does that happen?

432 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:36:19am

re: #421 Gus 802

Apparently one of those folks who are only prevented from going on a murderous rampage by supposed scriptures.

433 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:36:43am

re: #428 Sergey Romanov

What a creep, eh?

Yeah. And who'd of thought that evolution was about "moral relativism". And a "collectivist code word" to boot. Huh wut? Sheesh.

434 Lidane  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:36:51am

re: #431 ggt

evolving from monkeys = KKK.

How does that happen?

People are stupid. That's how.

435 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:37:08am

re: #425 negativ

boo-effin-hoo.

That hurt my eyes.

You have my condolences.

436 Lidane  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:37:32am

re: #433 Gus 802

Yeah. And who'd of thought that evolution was about "moral relativism". And a "collectivist code word" to boot. Huh wut? Sheesh.

Well of course evolution is about moral relativism. It's DARWIN, don'tcha know.

///

437 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:38:17am

re: #436 Lidane

Well of course evolution is about moral relativism. It's DARWIN, don'tcha know.

///

Clearly it was a conspiracy all along and Darwin was really born in Kenya!!

//

438 Lidane  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:38:58am

re: #425 negativ

boo-effin-hoo.

Tell me about it.

The Sun is Too Damn Hot

439 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:39:30am

Alrighty. I'm getting nothing done sitting here. So I'm gonna go sit over there and do the same for a bit. BBL.

440 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:39:44am

The rent temperature is too damn high!

//

441 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:40:06am

re: #424 HoosierHoops

Well good morning princess..The first cup of Java is always the best...
I got up early to watch the Hungarian Grad Prix live..Went to breakfast with Winston tagging along.. Walked the Dog..Talked to Paulie out at the track..Rascal Flatts is playing right now.. Wishing I was in Indy today at the track with my buds..I do have cold beer and snacks

haha,

My Jewish Father (good friend, he and his wife "adopted" me when I moved to Chicago) told his granddaughter that I was the only JAP he has ever met.

He and his wife must be responsible, or I was Jewish in a past life.

442 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:40:51am

re: #440 Gus 802

The rent temperature is too damn high!

//

I blame the laywers hired by the weather forecasters.

443 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:41:36am

re: #425 negativ

On the other hand, people around here break out the parkas and winter survival gear when the temperature drops below 50F, so there's that.

444 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:42:42am

re: #443 negativ

On the other hand, people around here break out the parkas and winter survival gear when the temperature drops below 50F, so there's that.

Yeah, I lived in the Southern parts of Ohio and Indiana for a while. People there are wimpy when it comes to mild temperatures.

Around here, people where shorts when it is in the 20's.

445 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:43:09am

re: #438 Lidane

Tell me about it.

The Sun is Too Damn Hot

And the RENT!

446 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:43:45am

Anyone ever heard of n-back training?

I downloaded the "game". It's freakin' hard.

or Maybe I'm just old.

447 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:44:30am

re: #442 ggt

I blame the laywers hired by the weather forecasters.

...

The hot weather is being created by left wing and Democrat Party scientists to lull the people into submission about GOREBAL WARMING!!11ty -- Redstate

448 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:45:17am

re: #447 Gus 802

...

It's all part of the Soros Cabal . . .

////

449 Lidane  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:45:45am

Hmm. Looks like MoveOn is not happy about whatever debt deal is in the works, at least according to Twitter.

450 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:46:02am

re: #449 Lidane

Hmm. Looks like MoveOn is not happy about whatever debt deal is in the works, at least according to Twitter.

Is anyone happy about it?

451 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:47:19am

re: #449 Lidane

I think a lot of people are overlooking that whatever is decided in the deal can likewise be undone by new legislation. There isn't a way to pinky-swear this for all eternity.

If the GOP continues its current attitudes and continues to control the house or the senate, then we're fucked anyway. The only way out of this mess is the GOP being defeated soundly, or waking the hell up to fiscal sensibility.

452 laZardo  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:47:38am

re: #450 ggt

At this point, I'm just hoping I can get employed before EVERYONE DIES or whatever is supposed to happen after Wednesday.

One shop I sent an app to starts putting out calls on Tuesday, so...

453 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:48:58am

re: #452 laZardo

At this point, I'm just hoping I can get employed before EVERYONE DIES or whatever is supposed to happen after Wednesday.

One shop I sent an app to starts putting out calls on Tuesday, so...

Well, the Mayan Calendar and all. 2012 is pretty close.

But I think Wednesday is just going to be another day.

Politicans and Pundits are the only ones going to be affected.

454 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:49:07am

High temperature are the result of SATANIC LEFT WINGERS asking the DEVIL!!11ty to make hot temperatures for the eventual COMMUNISTIC-HOMOSEXUAL-MOOSLIM-TRANZI INTERNATIONALIST overthrow of this once GOD FEARING NATION!!11ty

455 laZardo  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:49:56am

re: #451 Obdicut

If the GOP continues its current attitudes and continues to control the house or the senate, then we're fucked anyway. The only way out of this mess is the GOP being defeated soundly, or waking the hell up to fiscal sensibility.

Yeah, we're totally proper-fucked.

456 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:50:16am

I need mah buckets cuz it's going to rain!

Not really. I just felt like typing that.

457 Lidane  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:51:55am

re: #450 ggt

Is anyone happy about it?

Not really. But the alternative of a default is so much worse.

And all of this is nothing but staged bullshit. The same assholes opposing an increase now were talking about how raising the debt limit was a solemn obligation when Bush was in power.

458 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:53:10am

re: #444 ggt

Yeah, I lived in the Southern parts of Ohio and Indiana for a while. People there are wimpy when it comes to mild temperatures.

Around here, people where shorts when it is in the 20's.

I'm not sure if this is strictly a Texas phenomenon, but every winter without fail you can expect to see people dressed from the waist up like they're climbing Mount Everest - heavy down-filled coats, hoods, gloves, mirrored aviator sunglasses. They look like an epic National Geographic EXPLORERS portrait waiting to be made, with ice crystals forming in their rugged mountain-man beard (even the ladies).

But they're also wearing SHORTS.

459 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:53:25am

re: #457 Lidane

And all of this is nothing but staged bullshit.

QFT

460 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:54:14am

re: #458 negativ

I'm not sure if this is strictly a Texas phenomenon, but every winter without fail you can expect to see people dressed from the waist up like they're climbing Mount Everest - heavy down-filled coats, hoods, gloves, mirrored aviator sunglasses. They look like an epic National Geographic EXPLORERS portrait waiting to be made, with ice crystals forming in their rugged mountain-man beard (even the ladies).

But they're also wearing SHORTS.

That makes sense.

//

461 laZardo  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:55:03am

re: #453 ggt

Well, the Mayan Calendar and all. 2012 is pretty close.

But I think Wednesday is just going to be another day.

Politicans and Pundits are the only ones going to be affected.

Helps to have deadlines though. Keeps things focused.

Unless you're a politician or pundit. ;p

462 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:56:07am

re: #458 negativ

I'm not sure if this is strictly a Texas phenomenon, but every winter without fail you can expect to see people dressed from the waist up like they're climbing Mount Everest - heavy down-filled coats, hoods, gloves, mirrored aviator sunglasses. They look like an epic National Geographic EXPLORERS portrait waiting to be made, with ice crystals forming in their rugged mountain-man beard (even the ladies).

But they're also wearing SHORTS.

Must be a Texas phenom. Around here it is Warm-up pants cut off above the knee and muscle tees. If it is really cold, a leather jacket might be added.

Actually until the beginning of January most people dress as they should, gloves hats, warm coats etc. Then I think everyone just gets tired of it or has lost their gloves because we just back to just wearing a coat of any sort, without zipping or buttoning it up.

463 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:57:30am

re: #461 laZardo

Helps to have deadlines though. Keeps things focused.

Unless you're a politician or pundit. ;p

I think it is a co-ordinated effort to sell the 24 hours news cycle. Marketing is so important, you know.

464 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:58:27am

1300 back East. Any vote yet?

465 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:58:41am

re: #448 ggt

It's all part of the Soros Cabal . . .

///

Can we have a rep from the Soros Cabal and the Koch Bros Cabal. Put them in a mud pit and see who wins?

466 laZardo  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:58:44am

Brb, gonna get some printer ink.

467 laZardo  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:59:10am

re: #465 ggt

Can we have a rep from the Soros Cabal and the Koch Bros Cabal. Put them in a mud pit Thunderdome and see who wins?

ftfy

468 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:01:23am

re: #467 laZardo

ftfy

I thought a mud-pit was more appropriate. Considering the contestants.

469 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:01:51am

TPM Talking Points Memo
Senate now voting on motion to invoke cloture on Reid's bill.

470 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:02:17am

Likely won't pass. They're still hashing things out.

471 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:03:01am
yndicated columnist Buchanan begins this memoir by explaining why he refused to be enlisted as the conservative Republicans' choice to succeed Reagan as president. As he discusses his Irish Catholic roots, growing up in Washington, D.C., and Chevy Chase, Md., and attending that "citadel of liberalism," Columbia's journalism school, he looks back with nostalgic affection to the 1950s. His eight years working for Nixon are covered in one short chapter, and about Reagan, this White House insider says even less. In a book that is part autobiography, part political agenda, Buchanan advocates prayer in the schools, the death penalty, support for the government of South Africa, laser-based nuclear weaponry and repeal of the amendment that limits a president to two terms. He defends Oliver North, morally condemns AIDS victims and thunders against the liberal "milquetoast" Catholic Church of the 1980s. Conservative Book Club selection.
Copyright 1988 Reed Business Information, Inc. --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.
472 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:03:31am

re: #469 Gus 802

TPM Talking Points Memo
Senate now voting on motion to invoke cloture on Reid's bill.

And of course it has to be cloture, and not a straight up and down vote. Because fuck democracy.

473 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:03:59am

re: #471 Sergey Romanov

Nazi is as Nazi does.

474 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:04:53am

re: #473 ggt

Nazi is as Nazi does.

Heh.

475 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:05:50am

re: #430 Lidane

I know this is a dumb question, but have you tried hairball control cat food? Some of them are a bit pricey, but given the choice of paying more for food or cleaning up hairballs, I know what I'd choose.

doesn't work. I have to find the vaseline and start putting on his paws. Worked for another cat we had. They lick it off and it helps the hair pass.

Brushing him regularly helps, but he doesn't always want that.

476 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:06:56am

ThePlumLineGS Greg Sargent
Senator Scott Brown: "I'll vote for the Reid bill." [Link: wapo.st...]

477 Digital Display  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:07:16am

The Brickyard 400 starts in a few..
Don't forget to post your picture of the Sexiest Athletes in the world on my Page...If you have a picture of a world class athlete nekkid..That's even better.. So whether it's a tennis star, Race car driver, Football or basketball player..Vote early and often ( Pretend it's Chicago)
A girl Lizard said she wanted to bring Tebow to Jesus...I don't think she was talking about Church camp...

478 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:07:17am

Wingnuts are freaking out at Scott Brown. Again.

479 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:09:14am

re: #478 Gus 802

Wingnuts are freaking out at Scott Brown. Again.

SB knows that he does not really need to fear a primary challenge in Massachusets

480 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:09:17am

re: #471 Sergey Romanov

> he refused to be enlisted as the conservative Republicans' choice to succeed Reagan as president

Why, thank you, Mr. Buchanan.

481 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:11:20am

re: #480 Sergey Romanov

> he refused to be enlisted as the conservative Republicans' choice to succeed Reagan as president

Why, thank you, Mr. Buchanan.

I'm more like "Fuck You Mr. Buchanan".

482 Lidane  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:12:22am

re: #458 negativ

I'm not sure if this is strictly a Texas phenomenon, but every winter without fail you can expect to see people dressed from the waist up like they're climbing Mount Everest - heavy down-filled coats, hoods, gloves, mirrored aviator sunglasses. They look like an epic National Geographic EXPLORERS portrait waiting to be made, with ice crystals forming in their rugged mountain-man beard (even the ladies).

But they're also wearing SHORTS.

Weather here is usually pretty stable, except now when it's hot as hell. I think we get maybe three weeks of winter type weather, and that's in January or February. The rest of the time, it's possible to get away with shorts and a T-shirt and flip flops, or jeans and a light sweater if it's cooler. When it gets cold, people act like the world is ending, especially when the ice storms hit.

A layer of ice and/or snow flurries on the roads = Austin shutting down because no one here knows how to drive in those conditions. My classmates from up north laugh at folks here in Austin when it comes to "winter".

483 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:12:24am

re: #481 ggt

I'm more like "Fuck You Mr. Buchanan".

We can do both at the same time.

Wait, that sounded so wrong somehow.

484 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:13:14am

@Gus_802 Gus
"What's happening in the House is kind of pathetic" -- Sen Scott Brown (R-MA) thkpr.gs/qh6s0X #tcot #tlot #p2 #LGF #hobbits #teaparty

485 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:13:14am

re: #483 Sergey Romanov

We can do both at the same time.

Wait, that sounded so wrong somehow.

Yeah, in actuality,I wouldn't want to do either.

486 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:16:25am

Scott Brown voted to move the Reid debt bill ahead. Collins and Snowe voted no. #CSPAN2

487 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:16:52am

Ben Nelson (D, Nebraska) voted with republicans, Scott Brown (R, Mass) voted with democrats

488 Lidane  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:18:16am

re: #477 HoosierHoops

If you have a picture of a world class athlete nekkid..That's even better.. So whether it's a tennis star, Race car driver, Football or basketball player..Vote early and often ( Pretend it's Chicago)

Don't tell me that, because I can actually find teh nekkid when it comes to photos of athletes. There's an entire French rugby calendar that comes out every year filled with some of the hottest guys I've ever seen. I'll spare the male Lizards from any examples. Just do a Google search for Dieux du Stade.

489 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:18:53am

re: #486 Gus 802

Scott Brown voted to move the Reid debt bill ahead. Collins and Snowe voted no. #CSPAN2

Looks like they aren't going to try to sneak in tax increases at the last second. Hmmm, I suppose we'll just have to hope Dems regain the house in the next election.

490 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:19:28am

Bernie Sanders also votes no.

491 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:20:48am

Is this the reid solo bill or the comprimise bill they're going to send to the house?

492 Digital Display  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:21:25am

re: #488 Lidane

Don't tell me that, because I can actually find teh nekkid when it comes to photos of athletes. There's an entire French rugby calendar that comes out every year filled with some of the hottest guys I've ever seen. I'll spare the male Lizards from any examples. Just do a Google search for Dieux du Stade.

I'm betting the nakkid Rugby player wins out over any baseball player in the voting..

493 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:21:30am

The guy who says "Aye" or "No" is really annoying.

494 Kronocide  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:25:48am

Winger on FB: Tea Party should get credit for dealing with problem, credit rating will be downgraded because our debt is too high. I say downgrade will happen if we quit paying bills, Tea Party is driving the populist rage to that end.

Response: it's the Dems fault.

495 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:26:29am

re: #494 BigPapa

Tea Party is driving the populist rage to that end.

hah

496 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:26:54am

I feel kind of like a business man watching my employees goofing off. Shouldn't all those people be doing something other than standing around chatting?

497 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:29:33am

re: #496 Killgore Trout

I feel kind of like a business man watching my employees goofing off. Shouldn't all those people be doing something other than standing around chatting?

Really, we gave them a break when we hired them.

498 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:30:11am

TPM Talking Points Memo
BREAKING: Senate Kills Reid Bill, Await Obama/McConnell Spending-Cut-Only Debt Limit Bill. Story here: [Link: tpm.ly...]

499 McSpiff  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:31:18am

re: #346 rwdflynavy

Why? Are you flying your Lear jet up to Nova Scotia To see the total eclipse of the sun?

Free beer for any Lizard that makes it up here to Nova Scotia. So lonely for a lizard...

500 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:33:03am

This reads funny...

TPM Talking Points Memo
RT @ChadPergram: Cloture falls in the Senate, 50-49. D's opposed: Manchin, Ben Nelson, Reid & Sanders. GOPer for: Scott Brown.

Reid voted against his own bill?

501 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:35:32am

re: #500 Gus 802

This reads funny...

TPM Talking Points Memo
RT @ChadPergram: Cloture falls in the Senate, 50-49. D's opposed: Manchin, Ben Nelson, Reid & Sanders. GOPer for: Scott Brown.

Reid voted against his own bill?

Yeah, I thought that was odd. His vote was called last.

502 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:36:20am

re: #501 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I thought that was odd. His vote was called last.

He voted no?

503 Digital Display  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:36:26am

re: #499 McSpiff

Free beer for any Lizard that makes it up here to Nova Scotia. So lonely for a lizard...

I almost made it there once.. We were in Camden or Bar Harbor in Maine for a summer break and there was like a boat or ferry you could take there..I was in College and always regretted not going there

504 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:37:31am

OK...

foxnewsradio FOX News Radio
Reid plan fails in Senate. Vote is 50-49, needed 60 to pass. Reid himself votes no, leaving door open for future reconsideration.

505 Lidane  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:37:42am

re: #498 Gus 802

TPM Talking Points Memo
BREAKING: Senate Kills Reid Bill, Await Obama/McConnell Spending-Cut-Only Debt Limit Bill. Story here: [Link: tpm.ly...]

*sigh*

506 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:39:39am

Pam praises racist Yerushalmi:

The New York Times has a lengthy piece on a man I consider a national treasure, and I am not just saying that becuase he is my lawyer, representing me in numerous cases (i.e., the $10,000,000 lawsuit brought by Rifqa Bary's parents; the violation of free speech in the banning of my freedom buses; the NYC transit ban on my Ground Zero mosque buses, etc.).

507 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:39:55am

re: #505 Lidane

*sigh*

Yeah. Reid would need 9 votes now. He'll never get that. Next up to bat looks like Obama/McConnell.

508 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:43:18am

Democrats to meet in 15 minutes.

509 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:43:31am

I wanna get off.

Let Congress stay on if they want.

510 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:47:32am

Looks like Firebaggers are standing in the wings and about to get really angry with Obama

511 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:47:37am

I have to accomplish something. I've had 5 cuppas --I think I'm ready.

Have a great afternoon all!

512 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:49:11am

Looks like Pat Metheny is pretty popular on Twitter.

513 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:49:25am

SenatorReid Senator Harry Reid
Sen. McConnell and I agree Congress owns the responsibility to set this country on the path to fiscal sustainability
1 hour ago

514 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:49:39am

Ok, This is what I am turning off when I turn off the computer.

This , with this in the back ground.

515 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:51:00am

re: #509 ggt

I wanna get off.

Let Congress stay on if they want.

AMTRAK, it's going to derail when it runs out of funding on Tuesday...

516 McSpiff  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:53:18am

re: #503 HoosierHoops

I almost made it there once.. We were in Camden or Bar Harbor in Maine for a summer break and there was like a boat or ferry you could take there..I was in College and always regretted not going there

For years they had a very cool highspeed catameran ferry running between Bar Harbor and Yarmouth... The Cat

Image: The_cat_ferry.jpg

517 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 10:55:00am

re: #512 Charles

Looks like Pat Metheny is pretty popular on Twitter.

Were "they who have no lives" at it again?

518 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:01:20am

They could take every dollar from every American. Then re-distribute the wealth evenly among each.

Within a couple of years? The rich would be rich again and the poor would be poor again.

This is awful.

519 Gus  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:01:53am

BRB

520 albusteve  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:12:58am

the GOP is getting pounded in the press...heh...can't help but assume Boehner the Magnificent may not rebound from this joke he has been turning on us all

521 makeitstop  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:19:11am

Afternoon, Honcos.

This whole sorry debt ceiling episode is seriously depressing. While we don't know exactly what's coming in the 'compromise' bill, what I've read about it this morning has me thinking about jumping on the 'let it burn' train. Benen sums up where we are, and it makes me sick to my stomach.

Extortion politics: a new form of governing

How in the world do we reverse this? Democracy is on life support and the Tea Baggers want nothing more than to be able to pull the plug.

Representative democracy - we broke it.

I'm going to go play music and drink beer today, and try not to think of the jumbled mess our government has deteriorated into.

Somebody, please, give me an encouraging word.

522 albusteve  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:20:28am

re: #521 makeitstop

Afternoon, Honcos.

This whole sorry debt ceiling episode is seriously depressing. While we don't know exactly what's coming in the 'compromise' bill, what I've read about it this morning has me thinking about jumping on the 'let it burn' train. Benen sums up where we are, and it makes me sick to my stomach.

Extortion politics: a new form of governing

How in the world do we reverse this? Democracy is on life support and the Tea Baggers want nothing more than to be able to pull the plug.

Representative democracy - we broke it.

I'm going to go play music and drink beer today, and try not to think of the jumbled mess our government has deteriorated into.

Somebody, please, give me an encouraging word.

I hate the feds....shit like this is precisely why

523 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:22:52am

The Tea Party made it clear that they were not going to go along with "government as usual", and whatever else you can say about these folks, they have been consistent in keeping that promise.

524 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:22:59am

re: #521 makeitstop

Yeah. How can the GOP ever be trusted again, after this stunt?

525 makeitstop  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:28:08am

I'll quote Steve Miller's 'Space Cowboy.' I'm singin' the shit out of this one today.



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I told you 'bout living in the U.S. of A.
Don't you know that I'm a gangster of love
Let me tell you people that I found a new way
And I'm tired of all this talk about love
And the same old story with a new set of words
About the good and the bad and the poor
And the times keep on changin'
So I'm keepin' on top
Of every fat cat who walks through my door

I'm a space cowboy
Bet you weren't ready for that
I'm a space cowboy
I'm sure you know where it's at
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

I was born on this rock
And I've been travelin' through space
Since the moment I first realized
What all you fast talkin' cats would do if you could
You know, I'm ready for the final surprise
There ain't no way around it
Ain't nothing to say
That's gonna satisfy my soul deep inside
All the prayers and surveyors
Keep the whole place uptight
While it keeps on gettin' darker outside

I'm a space cowboy
Bet you weren't ready for that
I'm a space cowboy
I'm sure you know where it's at
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

I see the show downs, slow downs, lost and found, turn arounds
The boys in the military shirts
I keep my eyes on the prize, on the long fallen skies
And I don't let my friends get hurt
All you back room schemers, power trip dreamers
Better find something new to say
Cause you're the same old story
It's the same old crime
And you got some heavy dues to pay

526 Fozzie Bear  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:29:14am

I was angry about this whole fracas for awhile. Then I was depressed. Now i'm just terrified.

All anybody is doing is tweeting and blogging about it with people that agree with us. Here we are, talking about it with people of like mind. The same thing is doubtlessly happening on winger blogs, socialist blogs, etc. It's like we are all stuck in a collective loop.

The democratic process has been utterly destroyed by the very thing that was supposed to give us a more democratic world. We all have a voice now, because of the internet, and as a result, nobody does. It's all just noise now.

I'd love to go outside and take my mind off of this whole thing, but it's eleventy million degrees outside. So my wife and I are just sitting here, wondering WTF we are supposed to do if the shit hits the fan. What is my mom, who subsists on SS, supposed to do if they slash SS? What are my sisters supposed to do?

I am so angry it doesn't even feel like anger any more. It feels like despair.

I don't think the GOP understands the forces they are fucking with. We can't eat cake assholes, we don't have any fucking cake. This is very bad stuff.

527 Spocomptonite  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:31:53am

Hey, maybe we all should have a (nice, mind you) page so we can have a discussion (or intervention) for Dark_Falcon where they can explain their various stances such as:
-"multiculturalism is a failure"
-"Medicare is going broke"
-"Funding defense should come at the expense of the poor"

And hopefully we can bring facts and maybe change the way they see these things (particularly the last one)

It'd be a like a practice run on converting others to use facts and evidence to base their views on instead of comfortable preconceptions and news bytes.

And then we don't have to worry about the unwritten rule of dead threading the main blog.

528 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:34:24am

re: #523 ralphieboy

The Tea Party made it clear that they were not going to go along with "government as usual", and whatever else you can say about these folks, they have been consistent in keeping that promise.

Why is anyone surprised? The GOP as a whole has been saying loudly for the past 2 years that their first and foremost agenda is to make sure Barack Obama is a one-term president, and everything not directly in service of that is a distant second.

60 percent of the Senate are millionaires. 40 percent of the House are millionaires. They'll be fine no matter what happens. They can ride out the shit-storm they want to create. They know full well that even if they piss us all the way off, our memories are short and we lack the skills to build guillotines in the town square. Plus, American Idle is about to come on, so fuck it.

529 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:37:50am

re: #526 Fozzie Bear

I was angry about this whole fracas for awhile. Then I was depressed. Now i'm just terrified.

All anybody is doing is tweeting and blogging about it with people that agree with us. Here we are, talking about it with people of like mind. The same thing is doubtlessly happening on winger blogs, socialist blogs, etc. It's like we are all stuck in a collective loop.

The democratic process has been utterly destroyed by the very thing that was supposed to give us a more democratic world. We all have a voice now, because of the internet, and as a result, nobody does. It's all just noise now.

I'd love to go outside and take my mind off of this whole thing, but it's eleventy million degrees outside. So my wife and I are just sitting here, wondering WTF we are supposed to do if the shit hits the fan. What is my mom, who subsists on SS, supposed to do if they slash SS? What are my sisters supposed to do?

I am so angry it doesn't even feel like anger any more. It feels like despair.

I don't think the GOP understands the forces they are fucking with. We can't eat cake assholes, we don't have any fucking cake. This is very bad stuff.

If you really want to feel terrible about everything, keep all that in mind and then also follow @acarvin.


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