The mind-numbing, soul-killing deficit battle continues. TPM has the latest news; it looks like the Republicans have managed to push the negotiations completely away from increasing revenue.
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Lidane Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:32:38am |
Dear Teabaggers,
Cutting spending without increasing revenue doesn’t accomplish anything. It’s not enough to just spend less. We have to bring more money in if we’re ever going to have any hope of paying what we owe.
Idiots.
No love,
Me
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Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:34:52am |
re: #1 Lidane
Dear Teabaggers,
Right now, interest rates on government bonds are so low that it’s actually cheaper for the government to borrow money for current expenditures than it is to rely on future tax revenue for it. Why do you guys consider debt that’s got 2% interest as being identical to debt at 20% interest?
Why don’t you guys understand things like the velocity of money?
How do you think our society is going to survive the ever-burgeoning wealth divide between the rich and everyone else?
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Spocomptonite Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:36:52am |
That’s it. I’m starting a company. It helps Americans emigrate to other countries by matching them up with overseas job opportunities. Brain Drain Incorporated. Congratulations, Republicans, you got your wish: with the rest of us gone, now the country can be as stupid as you want it to be.
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Spocomptonite Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:37:41am |
re: #2 Obdicut
Dear Teabaggers,
Right now, interest rates on government bonds are so low that it’s actually cheaper for the government to borrow money for current expenditures than it is to rely on future tax revenue for it. Why do you guys consider debt that’s got 2% interest as being identical to debt at 20% interest?
Why don’t you guys understand things like the velocity of money?
How do you think our society is going to survive the ever-burgeoning wealth divide between the rich and everyone else?
If they had any of that capitalist business sense that they claim, they’d know that. It’s like, basic corporate finance 101.
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makeitstop Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:38:18am |
All the years we spent worrying about destruction of democracy by external enemies, and here we are about to be kneecapped as a nation by crazies that call themselves American.
We beat the biggest and the baddest, but we’re on the verge of being brought low by a cabal of madmen who are supposedly our own countrymen.
So much for being the sunny optimist. I’m moving my tent over into the ‘we’re fucked’ section.
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Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:39:19am |
re: #5 makeitstop
And, to add insult to injury, it’s by a crowd of rubes chanting “We’re saving America!”
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webevintage Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:39:39am |
Dear Democrats…get your shit together and fuck the Tea Party.
Personally I can’t accept cuts with no revenue increases.
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FQ Kafir Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:40:04am |
Orwell would be so proud.
“Increasing revenue” and “balanced approach” have become catchphrases because “raising taxes” doesn’t seem to resonate with Americans.
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Lidane Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:40:28am |
re: #2 Obdicut
How do you think our society is going to survive the ever-burgeoning wealth divide between the rich and everyone else?
They don’t give a damn. They got theirs. Who cares about anyone else?
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Lidane Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:42:02am |
re: #7 webevintage
Dear Democrats…get your shit together and fuck the Tea Party.
Personally I can’t accept cuts with no revenue increases.
We NEED a revenue increase. It’s insane that the only solution the Republicans offer is to cut spending, but if you try to suggest ways of bringing more money in to start paying down what we owe, they act like you’re wanting to publicly rape them or something.
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Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:42:50am |
re: #8 FQ Kafir
Orwell would be so proud.
“Increasing revenue” and “balanced approach” have become catchphrases because “raising taxes” doesn’t seem to resonate with Americans.
What on earth does that have to do with Orwell?
Raising taxes increases revenue. Having them included would be part of a balanced approach.
Orwellian language is language that describes something in a way so as to reverse its true nature. Can you please explain how those phrases do that?
And you know Orwell was a socialist, right?
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mr.fusion Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:44:01am |
re: #10 Lidane
We NEED a revenue increase. It’s insane that the only solution the Republicans offer is to cut spending, but if you try to suggest ways of bringing more money in to start paying down what we owe, they act like you’re wanting to publicly rape them or something.
And it doesn’t even have to be all taxes. Why aren’t we talking about online gambling? Ending the war on drugs? Revamping the Justice System?
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Lidane Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:44:28am |
re: #8 FQ Kafir
Orwell would be so proud.
Of the Tea Party and Republicans, yes. They’ve successfully convinced millions of people that they are somehow the party of fiscal responsibility.
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emcesq Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:44:48am |
Centroid is being determined by the extremes, even as we weep.
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FQ Kafir Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:45:14am |
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Lidane Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:45:24am |
re: #12 mr.fusion
And it doesn’t even have to be all taxes. Why aren’t we talking about online gambling? Ending the war on drugs? Revamping the Justice System?
Seriously. There are ways to generate money that don’t involve raising inome taxes.
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ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:45:50am |
re: #3 Spocomptonite
Sign me up. My faith in this country is destroyed.
I’ve got family all over Europe. Norway it is.
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Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:46:09am |
re: #14 Spocomptonite
To me, that kind of stuff is the liberal version of Grants Gulch. It’s our country. Let’s work to make it better.
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albusteve Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:47:37am |
re: #10 Lidane
We NEED a revenue increase. It’s insane that the only solution the Republicans offer is to cut spending, but if you try to suggest ways of bringing more money in to start paying down what we owe, they act like you’re wanting to publicly rape them or something.
we need to get people back to work, and virtually nobody is helping that small detail along….the debt ceiling has nothing to do with future spending or budget cuts…generating revenue is the prime directive here, and outside of the ticky tack bullshit regarding this fight in congress, it has not been addressed that I can tell…none of it makes sense as Obdicut continuously points out with facts
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Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:48:09am |
re: #16 FQ Kafir
[Link: orwell.ru…]
Did you not bother to read the rest of my post?
In what way is describing raising taxes as increasing revenue untrue?
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allegro Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:48:44am |
I just don’t understand all of this nonsense. Isn’t it time for Obama to step up, declare the 14th amendment in effect and put an end to it? I don’t get the reluctance when it is so clear that it’s that or default at this point.
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Lidane Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:48:50am |
re: #23 Obdicut
Did you not bother to read the rest of my post?
In what way is describing raising taxes as increasing revenue untrue?
ZOMG DOUBLESPEAK!
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laZardo Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:50:13am |
If we had the gold standard back, none of this would have happened in the first place!
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engineer cat Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:50:13am |
re: #8 FQ Kafir
Orwell would be so proud.
“Increasing revenue” and “balanced approach” have become catchphrases because “raising taxes” doesn’t seem to resonate with Americans.
Reuters/Ipsos Poll conducted by Ipsos Public Affairs. July 25, 2011
“As you probably know, the U.S. budget deficit is currently about 1.4 trillion dollars. There are a number of different solutions being discussed for reducing this deficit. These are cutting existing programs, raising taxes, or some combination of the two. Which approach do you think is best?”
Cut existing programs 19%
Raise taxes 12%
Combination 56%
Neither 8%
that is, raise taxes plus raise taxes and cut spending garners 68% in this poll
hold on and i’ll give you several more
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Meitantei Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:50:51am |
Well, uh, great.
Unfortunately for me, Japan’s been screwed up the last 20 years too. So sucks to be me.
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albusteve Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:50:58am |
re: #17 Lidane
Seriously. There are ways to generate money that don’t involve raising inome taxes.
clean up the fat….probably scores of billions per year….become more efficient….the govt is a black hole that sucks down money that never accomplishes anything
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Lidane Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:51:10am |
re: #24 allegro
I just don’t understand all of this nonsense. Isn’t it time for Obama to step up, declare the 14th amendment in effect and put an end to it? I don’t get the reluctance when it is so clear that it’s that or default at this point.
This is either the most elaborate game of rope-a-dope ever or an elaborate suicide in slow motion.
Either Obama is letting the Republicans firmly expose themselves as the party willing to destroy this country to save their rich friends before he swoops in with the 14th Amendment, or we are well and truly fucked by both parties and are in deeper shit than any of us realized until now.
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FQ Kafir Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:51:14am |
re: #23 Obdicut
It’s not that it’s untrue, it’s that you need to change the term to make it more palatable.
Kinda like Global Warming became “Climate Change.”
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allegro Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:52:33am |
re: #30 Lidane
This is either the most elaborate game of rope-a-dope ever or an elaborate suicide in slow motion.
Either Obama is letting the Republicans firmly expose themselves as the party willing to destroy this country to save their rich friends before he swoops in with the 14th Amendment, or we are well and truly fucked by both parties and are in deeper shit than any of us realized until now.
I’m increasingly concerned that it’s the latter.
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ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:52:53am |
re: #31 FQ Kafir
Oh look, a Tea Party Denier.
Go back to bashing poor people please. Your not wanted here.
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engineer cat Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:53:17am |
…but before i get around to that, here’s a poll result from a notorious liberal leftist propaganda mill run by george soros and the illuminati:
Fox News Poll June 26-28, 2011
“Would you favor or oppose a balanced budget amendment to the U.S. Constitution if it meant major spending cuts to entitlement programs like Medicare and Social Security?”
favor 31%
oppose 63%
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Spocomptonite Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:53:30am |
If the TEA Party had any knowledge of history, they’d know that we weren’t what they think we are today if we hadn’t spent so much before/during WWII that our debt was 20% higher in terms of GDP than it is today. America was something of a global isolationist backwater pre-WWII, and then we spent GOBS of money modernizing our virtually all our industries, a power infrastructure, irrigation projects, rebuilding virtually all the participants of WWII (on both sides, no less), and finally, an interstate highway system that we stole from Germany after seeing how awesome it was when we invaded.
No country ever became great by doing nothing. Thanks TP for leading us down the road to suckage because y’all are too ignorant to know that.
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allegro Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:53:53am |
re: #33 ProLifeLiberal
Oh look, a Tea Party Denier.
Go back to bashing poor people please. Your not wanted here.
WTF?
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Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:54:19am |
re: #31 FQ Kafir
It’s not that it’s untrue, it’s that you need to change the term to make it more palatable.”
That is not Orwellian language, no. Especially since the american public supports raising taxes. I don’t expect you to be able to admit that reality, of course.
Kinda like Global Warming became “Climate Change.
Well, that’s a lie, or ignorance on your part. Global warming is causing climate change. They’re both occurring. Climate change is a better description of what’s actually happening.
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FQ Kafir Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:54:29am |
re: #33 ProLifeLiberal
Typical… I have never bashed poor people. I make less than 25k/year.
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Spocomptonite Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:54:33am |
re: #20 Obdicut
To me, that kind of stuff is the liberal version of Grants Gulch. It’s our country. Let’s work to make it better.
Well, if you take it seriously it is. I was just joking around with a subject that’s very difficult to find the humor in.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:54:35am |
re: #24 allegro
I just don’t understand all of this nonsense. Isn’t it time for Obama to step up, declare the 14th amendment in effect and put an end to it? I don’t get the reluctance when it is so clear that it’s that or default at this point.
That would spawn a shit-storm that defies description.
In a way, I sort of hope it happens.
Then we might as well elect Michele Bachmann president in 2012. If we’re hell-bent on jumping off a cliff, we might as well get a running start so we can do some fancy-ass gymnastics on the way down.
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webevintage Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:54:42am |
re: #27 engineer dog
Reuters/Ipsos Poll conducted by Ipsos Public Affairs. July 25, 2011
that is, raise taxes plus raise taxes and cut spending garners 68% in this poll
hold on and i’ll give you several more
It is amazing that NO ONE seems to be paying attention to this.
All the Congress seems to be paying attention too is what the Tea Party wants, when they obviously do not represent the majority of voters in this country.
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albusteve Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:55:13am |
the US is not going to be destroyed, that hysteria….as for a default, I still say there will be none….the Aug 2nd deadline is a ruse, there will be nearly another week before an actual crisis becomes a threat
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laZardo Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:55:25am |
re: #42 webevintage
It is amazing that NO ONE seems to be paying attention to this.
All the Congress seems to be paying attention too is what the Tea Party wants, when they obviously do not represent the majority of voters in this country.
Being a rampantly cynical fuck, I’ll believe that when the election numbers reflect it.
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Lidane Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:55:41am |
re: #39 FQ Kafir
Typical… I have never bashed poor people. I make less than 25k/year.
And yet you’re dumb enough to buy into the tea party and Fox News lies at less than 25k?
Talk about a self-defeating agenda. You’re voting against your own interests.
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Fozzie Bear Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:57:02am |
re: #30 Lidane
This is either the most elaborate game of rope-a-dope ever or an elaborate suicide in slow motion.
Either Obama is letting the Republicans firmly expose themselves as the party willing to destroy this country to save their rich friends before he swoops in with the 14th Amendment, or we are well and truly fucked by both parties and are in deeper shit than any of us realized until now.
It’s getting to the point where I am wondering if Obama isn’t just curled up under his desk in the fetal position rocking back and forth and sucking his thumb. WTF is he doing? Why won’t he get out there, and start pounding the fucking podium FDR-style. Mock the GOP, shame them, call them traitors, monsters, and do it with charts and graphs.
The facts are so amazingly on the his side, I can’t understand why he won’t use them, loudly. Angrily. Summon some rage, mr. super-diplomat! Show a few fucking pie charts illustrating how unequally the wealth is distributed. Make a full-throated defense of progressive taxation. Explain why the super rich are paying less taxes proportionally than the poor.
For fuck’s sake, Obama, LEAD!
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:57:05am |
re: #2 Obdicut
Why don’t you guys understand things like the velocity of money?
money should be in gold, which is inert.
/
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Lidane Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:57:23am |
re: #42 webevintage
It is amazing that NO ONE seems to be paying attention to this.
All the Congress seems to be paying attention too is what the Tea Party wants, when they obviously do not represent the majority of voters in this country.
EXACTLY.
People know that the only way out of this mess is to cut what we’re spending and bring more money in to start paying down the debts we owe. It’s just these tea party assholes who insist on ideological purity that are going to send us into default.
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Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:57:24am |
re: #32 allegro
I’m increasingly concerned that it’s the latter.
Well, elections have consequences. We really did elect this swathe of morons. Many on the right convinced themselves somehow that it’d be okay, that these jerks would fall into line, that they wouldn’t do exactly what they were saying they were going to do. They voted for them. And these guys got into office, and they control the House.
I personally feel the debt ceiling as it stands is an unconstitutional law; if congress authorizes spending, then, to me, they’re automatically authorizing paying for that spending. These are bills that are due; not paying them is not actually an option.
But invoking the 14th is difficult to do. This isn’t the only thing the government has to do. If Obama throws down that gauntlet, I’d fully expect the GOP to stop all legislation in its entirety, and anything that was absolutely vital would be crammed with poison pills.
Invoking the 14th won’t make these freaks vanish.
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ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:57:54am |
re: #43 albusteve
With what the Republicans want to do, I’ll never be able to find work.
Autism is a pre-existing condition, and I won’t be able to buy health insurance. Companies won’t hire me because of the act I will be a drain on their coffers. And the Feds won’t be hiring for 30 years at this rate.
Better for me to go somewhere I will have a chance to get a job and not be homeless. Somewhere with a safety net.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:58:13am |
Perfect Scrambled Eggs Breakfast
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allegro Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:59:08am |
re: #41 negativ
That would spawn a shit-storm that defies description.
In a way, I sort of hope it happens.
Then we might as well elect Michele Bachmann president in 2012. If we’re hell-bent on jumping off a cliff, we might as well get a running start so we can do some fancy-ass gymnastics on the way down.
I’m not convinced of that result. The shit-storm certainly but so what? The tea nutters are always ready to throw tantrums so let ‘em. This issue has gained so much traction in the MSM that most people are aware of what’s going on and as we’re seeing in poll examples above from engineer dog the majority is clearly behind resolution. I think Obama’s popularity would increase considerably if he took this action and any impeachment efforts would just make the GOP look ever more stupid.
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albusteve Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:59:48am |
re: #46 Fozzie Bear
It’s getting to the point where I am wondering if Obama isn’t just curled up under his desk in the fetal position rocking back and forth and sucking his thumb. WTF is he doing? Why won’t he get out there, and start pounding the fucking podium FDR-style. Mock the GOP, shame them, call them traitors, monsters, and do it with charts and graphs.
The facts are so amazingly on the his side, I can’t understand why he won’t use them, loudly. Angrily. Summon some rage, mr. super-diplomat! Show a few fucking pie charts illustrating how unequally the wealth is distributed. Make a full-throated defense of progressive taxation. Explain why the super rich are paying less taxes proportionally than the poor.
For fuck’s sake, Obama, LEAD!
last week I suggested BO was out of the loop and got pounded….he’s busy spamming Twitter….LOL!
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laZardo Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:59:59am |
re: #50 ProLifeLiberal
With what the Republicans want to do, I’ll never be able to find work.
Autism is a pre-existing condition, and I won’t be able to buy health insurance. Companies won’t hire me because of the act I will be a drain on their coffers. And the Feds won’t be hiring for 30 years at this rate.
Better for me to go somewhere I will have a chance to get a job and not be homeless. Somewhere with a safety net.
Europe.
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RadicalModerate Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:00:24pm |
re: #39 FQ Kafir
I’ve always meant to ask, what is the genesis of your username? It sounds a lot like a racist epithet used in S. Africa.
(fyi: “Kaffir”, sometimes spelled as “kafir” is the African equivalent of the N-word used in the United States)
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
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Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:00:29pm |
re: #46 Fozzie Bear
He’s said a lot of those things. Are you saying that he’s not being angry enough when he’s saying them?
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Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:01:01pm |
re: #8 FQ Kafir
Orwell would be so proud.
“Increasing revenue” and “balanced approach” have become catchphrases because “raising taxes” doesn’t seem to resonate with Americans.
I’m probably going to repeat myself but the Bush tax cuts were not meant to be permanent. The whole idea behind the Bush tax cuts was to provide a stimulus as in the second round called “Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003.” Both have been in effect since 2001. The right wing meme is that it creates jobs. If it has I’m not seeing it at all as this country has been in a deep recession since October of 2008.
At the same time the gap between the working/middle class and the rich continues to grow. The rich are indeed getting richer while the rest of us have seen not only unemployment or underemployment but flat or downward wage growth and rising energy and housing/rental prices. Meanwhile, the pigs rich are still eating at the trough of the Bush tax cuts claiming that their tax cuts make jobs. Those jobs of course are for those manufacturers of luxury items and illegal labor for their nannies and landscape help.
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Lidane Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:01:04pm |
re: #46 Fozzie Bear
The facts are so amazingly on the his side, I can’t understand why he won’t use them, loudly. Angrily. Summon some rage, mr. super-diplomat! Show a few fucking pie charts illustrating how unequally the wealth is distributed. Make a full-throated defense of progressive taxation. Explain why the super rich are paying less taxes proportionally than the poor.
I’d love to see that. Just spend the next two days on TV pulling a Ross Perot — pie charts, graphs, everything imaginable to show just how wrong the GOP are and how dishonest they’ve been.
At this point, I’m increasingly worried that we’re just well and truly fucked.
Unbelievable. We’re going to default solely due to political incompetence.
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laZardo Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:03:11pm |
re: #50 ProLifeLiberal
Autism is a pre-existing condition, and I won’t be able to buy health insurance.
Hold on. What kind?
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Spocomptonite Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:03:23pm |
re: #43 albusteve
the US is not going to be destroyed, that hysteria…as for a default, I still say there will be none…the Aug 2nd deadline is a ruse, there will be nearly another week before an actual crisis becomes a threat
Steve…
okay, so you know how banks work, right? they take deposits, and make money by lending it out with interest. But they can’t loan it all out, or else they’ll have liquidity problems. And legal problems, since that’s illegal.
So, instead of just having pallets of cash, sitting there, doing nothing, they invest in bonds, much like they did with mortgages. Because the U.S. treasury bonds have been such a financial Rock of Gibraltar the world over, even foreign banks do this, and they do it a lot, in addition to keeping actual pallets of US cash on hand.
A default will affect the value of all those bonds, a missed interest payment will be an immediate loss to nearly every bank on the planet, and the corresponding dent to our already plummeting dollar will further take banking assets down. In effect, we’re watching the mortgage crisis happen again, only with bonds this time.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:03:47pm |
re: #51 Killgore Trout
Perfect Scrambled Eggs Breakfast
[Video]
I’m 10 seconds in and he hasn’t said “fuck” once. What’s the deal?!?
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engineer cat Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:03:59pm |
Pew Research Center. July 20-24, 2011.
“In your view, what is the best way to reduce the federal budget deficit? Should we mostly focus on cutting major programs, mostly focus on increasing taxes, or should we do a combination of both?”
Cutting programs 19%
Increasing taxes 8%
Combination 60%
CNN/ORC Poll. July 18-20, 2011
“In those discussions, several budget plans have been proposed that would reduce the amount the government owes by trillions of dollars over the next ten years. If you had to choose, would you rather see Congress and President Obama agree to a budget plan that only includes cuts in government spending, or a budget plan that includes a combination of spending cuts and tax increases on higher-income Americans and some businesses?”
Spending cuts only 34%
Spending cuts and tax increases 64%
CBS News Poll. July 15-17, 2011
“Do you think an agreement on the budget and the debt ceiling should include only tax increases, OR only spending cuts, OR a combination of both tax increases and spending cuts?”
Only tax increases 3%
Only spending cuts 28%
Combination 66%
WHY ARE THE PRESIDENT AND CONGRESS HELD HOSTAGE BY A MINORITY OF AMERCIANS?
i think they should pass a bill with tax increases in it and get all the democrats in the house plus enough republicans to pass that bill
boner should realize that the teabaggers are not his friends and are only out for his ass, and tell them to get fucked
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:04:27pm |
re: #61 negativ
I’m 10 seconds in and he hasn’t said “fuck” once. What’s the deal?!?
Wait until he burns the toast
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ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:04:42pm |
re: #54 laZardo
My grandfather is in contact with the family in Norway. That’s my bet.
re: #39 FQ Kafir
So, in other words, you are too ignorant to see the deleterious effects the Republican Policies will have on you.
Like some many others, you think it is more important to hate the fact that a black guy is in the White House.
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engineer cat Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:05:22pm |
re: #35 Spocomptonite
If the TEA Party had any knowledge of history
if the tea party weren’t being fed a steady diet of outrageous and evil lies
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blueraven Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:06:29pm |
re: #8 FQ Kafir
Orwell would be so proud.
“Increasing revenue” and “balanced approach” have become catchphrases because “raising taxes” doesn’t seem to resonate with Americans.
And raising taxes has been used to describe an agreed upon end date for a temporary tax cut. A tax cut that barely passed because even republicans knew it was a bad idea in the midst of two wars.
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Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:06:55pm |
re: #64 ProLifeLiberal
I think his name is meant to reference a variation on infidel in Arabic, rather than as a racial slur. Seems more likely.
And as much as I think the guy is dead wrong, just insulting him isn’t going to change his mind.
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albusteve Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:07:23pm |
re: #60 Spocomptonite
Steve…
okay, so you know how banks work, right? they take deposits, and make money by lending it out with interest. But they can’t loan it all out, or else they’ll have liquidity problems. And legal problems, since that’s illegal.So, instead of just having pallets of cash, sitting there, doing nothing, they invest in bonds, much like they did with mortgages. Because the U.S. treasury bonds have been such a financial Rock of Gibraltar the world over, even foreign banks do this, and they do it a lot, in addition to keeping actual pallets of US cash on hand.
A default will affect the value of all those bonds, a missed interest payment will be an immediate loss to nearly every bank on the planet, and the corresponding dent to our already plummeting dollar will further take banking assets down. In effect, we’re watching the mortgage crisis happen again, only with bonds this time.
there will be no default….freaking out about it give something to post about tho….I just don’t think it’s going to happen so whatever the results of a default would be are moot at this point….interesting tho
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ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:07:51pm |
re: #67 Obdicut
I know I get change this dullard’s mind.
I need to vent my hopelessness. He’s provided himself a good target.
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Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:08:04pm |
re: #66 blueraven
And raising taxes has been used to describe an agreed upon end date for a temporary tax cut. A tax cut that barely passed because even republicans knew it was a bad idea in the midst of two wars.
Yeah but Iraqi oil revenue will pay for the war!
//
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Big Steve Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:08:56pm |
Lets think about all this. China is rapidly increasing in wealth as are its citizens. Chinese people for the first time ever have extra cash and they are choosing to invest it. They appear to be willing to take virtually trivial interest rates just to get safety. US Treasury Bonds are just about the worst growth investment around but they are safe…..like putting your money under a mattress that is located in Fort Knox. What this allows is the US government to function and invest in itself and probably through second or third order harmonics stimulate the US economy. If the same investors fled the US Bonds where would they put their money? Probably in other investments that more directly stimulate the economy. In fact second best to US Treasury Bonds in safety and better interest rates are good old fashion Municipal bonds. I think actually this would be a better thing for just about everyone. It is a more direct stimulus. So I vote….let the US government default.
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Kid A Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:09:06pm |
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ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:09:06pm |
re: #68 albusteve
Even if there isn’t a default, those who are poor and have disabilities are screwed.
Why do you think I’m considering leaving? Because I won’t be able to have a life worth living here.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:09:15pm |
re: #51 Killgore Trout
also:
[Link: www.southparkstudios.com…]
I may take some cooking classes. “Bob” help me.
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brownbagj Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:09:24pm |
re: #67 Obdicut
I just clicked on your avatar. Little did I know we were both married to the same woman. There can’t be two “of the most beautiful, amazing woman” alive can there. :)
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Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:09:34pm |
A war that costs us 100 dollars per load of laundry.
The “no-bid contract war” with Blackwater and billions of dollars of missing cash.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:09:43pm |
U.S. Contingency Plan Gives Bondholders Priority
The U.S. Treasury will give priority to making interest payments to holders of government bonds when due if lawmakers fail to reach an agreement to raise the debt ceiling, according to an administration official.
The official requested anonymity because no announcement has been made. The Treasury has said about $90 billion in debt matures on Aug. 4 and more than $30 billion in interest comes due Aug. 15. Overall, more than $500 billion matures in August.
[Link: www.bloomberg.com…]
hmmm
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Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:09:47pm |
re: #66 blueraven
And raising taxes has been used to describe an agreed upon end date for a temporary tax cut. A tax cut that barely passed because even republicans knew it was a bad idea in the midst of two wars.
This is an important point. That original tax cut was not popular, and at the time many, many people warned that a tax cut during wartime with our levels of spending would lead to massive deficits very quickly if the expended growth didn’t occur. It didn’t occur, and we already faced a massive deficit even before the financial meltdown happened.
So, the logical conclusion should have been that those tax cuts didn’t work in stimulating growth, and also causes us a huge problem in increasing the deficit, so it was time to end them.
Instead, most in the GOP prefer to pretend our taxes have always been at this level, or that this is a high level for our taxes to be at. They try to confuse the issue by babbling about how much the top 1% pays in income tax (while not mentioning how much of the wealth they own), etc.
This just happened. This was within the last decade. How can people have fooled themselves that quickly? Did they just never pay attention in the first place?
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laZardo Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:10:03pm |
re: #70 Gus 802
Yeah but
IraqiLibyan oil revenue will pay for the war!//
FTFY, because Iraq was soooo last decade.
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Kid A Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:10:36pm |
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:10:42pm |
re: #74 negativ
also:
[Link: www.southparkstudios.com…]
I may take some cooking classes. “Bob” help me.
That was a great episode.
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Fozzie Bear Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:11:24pm |
re: #56 Obdicut
He’s said a lot of those things. Are you saying that he’s not being angry enough when he’s saying them?
I’m saying that for a man as apparently intelligent as Obama, he is doing a really shitty job of making his case. He is more Chamberlain than Churchill, and apparently has little or no understanding of the game he is playing.
The case he needs to make practically makes itself. He needs to tell the people they are being fucked. He needs to lend a voice to the rage people are feeling, by expressing it in his own voice. Go look at some FDR speeches. Go look at some Reagan speeches. Then look at one of Obama’s recent pressers about “compromise”, then tell me it doesn’t make you want to tear your hair out.
This isn’t compromise. This is bending over and taking it like a victim.
He needs to go Ross Perot with charts and graphs. He needs to talk about social justice. He needs to yell. It’s long past time. He needs to get in the fucking trenches and tear off some masks. He needs to get nasty, because the people with whom he is dealing are nasty people.
“Sit down Eric!” doesn’t cut it. Explaining the moral bankruptcy of Cantor’s Randian roots is what needs to happen. The GOP is monstrous, and he keeps trying to sit down and have tea with the beast, and politely engage it in conversation.
it’s not encouraging. Not at all.
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Spocomptonite Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:11:26pm |
re: #71 Big Steve
Lets think about all this. China is rapidly increasing in wealth as are its citizens. Chinese people for the first time ever have extra cash and they are choosing to invest it. They appear to be willing to take virtually trivial interest rates just to get safety. US Treasury Bonds are just about the worst growth investment around but they are safe…like putting your money under a mattress that is located in Fort Knox. What this allows is the US government to function and invest in itself and probably through second or third order harmonics stimulate the US economy. If the same investors fled the US Bonds where would they put their money? Probably in other investments that more directly stimulate the economy. In fact second best to US Treasury Bonds in safety and better interest rates are good old fashion Municipal bonds. I think actually this would be a better thing for just about everyone. It is a more direct stimulus. So I vote…let the US government default.
Well, considering how most municipal bonds are to finance things in conjunction with federal financing, I’m thinking it’s going to be a cascade effect.
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Stanghazi Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:11:50pm |
re: #70 Gus 802
Yeah but Iraqi oil revenue will pay for the war!
//
That one STILL kills me. What a great lie. Oh and the missing pallets of cash? Nah, let’s focus on the debt limit. They are actually taking the easy road. Let’s focus on the ridiculous, then we won’t have to deal with the hard stuff. Like fucking jobs.
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Big Steve Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:12:16pm |
re: #60 Spocomptonite
you miss an interest payment on something that is giving 2% per annum growth? That is like $1600 per million invested per month. That is not going to trigger any runs on any banks. Further the capital is safe.
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engineer cat Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:12:57pm |
re: #44 laZardo
Being a rampantly cynical fuck, I’ll believe that when the election numbers reflect it.
2004 : republican president, senate, & house
2006 : republican president and senate, democratic house
2008 : democratic president, house, and senate
2010 : democratic president and senate, republican house
plenty to work with there for people who believe that they can interpret election results in terms of ideological agendas
you can’t
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Kid A Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:12:58pm |
re: #79 Gus 802
We should be out of there in 2 weeks top.
//
Some economists wrote a book a few years ago called the three-trillion dollar war, or something to that effect. Anyway, about a year ago they came back and said “Whoopsie! Our estimates were too conservative. Make it 5 trillion.”
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ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:12:59pm |
re: #80 laZardo
Oh god, not this again.
This cost of Libya has been less than a thousandth of Iraq.
Why in God’s Green Earth do you like defending Genocidal Dictators?
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Fozzie Bear Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:13:02pm |
re: #72 Kid A
We’ll be greeted as liberators!
The war will take weeks, not months! (Cheney actually said that.)
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makeitstop Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:13:05pm |
re: #52 allegro
I’m not convinced of that result. The shit-storm certainly but so what? The tea nutters are always ready to throw tantrums so let ‘em. This issue has gained so much traction in the MSM that most people are aware of what’s going on and as we’re seeing in poll examples above from engineer dog the majority is clearly behind resolution. I think Obama’s popularity would increase considerably if he took this action and any impeachment efforts would just make the GOP look ever more stupid.
Obama should let the clock run out, then address the nation and tell them that by Executive Order, he is placing the pay of all members of Congress into an escrow fund that will be sent to each rep’s home district to help those districts pay their bills, and no member of Congress will see a dime of pay until they get real and straighten this out. Then announce that he’s ready to defend himself against any legal action the opposition will take.
2012 would see a landslide that would dwarf Reagan-Mondale.
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Achilles Tang Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:13:37pm |
re: #46 Fozzie Bear
It’s getting to the point where I am wondering if Obama isn’t just curled up under his desk in the fetal position rocking back and forth and sucking his thumb. WTF is he doing? Why won’t he get out there, and start pounding the fucking podium FDR-style. Mock the GOP, shame them, call them traitors, monsters, and do it with charts and graphs.
If one believes the polls, most people already do not believe that the very rich should get a free pass. None of the spending cuts will affect them in any significant way. They don’t need Medicare, Medicaid or SS and if a state park is closed they can fly to one in Europe. So they should get a further tax break?/
I don’t either understand how the Democrats have been unable to make better use of this argument. The TV pundits and representative of the TP only change the subject and make speeches about jobs when asked, and then they are allowed to get away with it without challenge, even on MSNBC.
It’s depressing.
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laZardo Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:14:21pm |
re: #90 ProLifeLiberal
Oh god, not this again.
This cost of Libya has been less than a thousandth of Iraq.
Why in God’s Green Earth do you like defending Genocidal Dictators?
I never said Gaddafi wasn’t a douchebag. What the hell.
And we’ve only been there for three months as compared to seven and ten years for the other armed campaigns. Give it a year or so, then we’ll see the costs starting to add up.
Costs we can’t afford.
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Stanghazi Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:14:59pm |
re: #81 Kid A
It’s a slam dunk, Mr. President!!
///
Blessed by god. Remember the Rumsfeld reports with the bible quotes as the cover?? ? ?
GAH
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Lidane Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:15:17pm |
re: #92 makeitstop
Obama should let the clock run out, then address the nation and tell them that by Executive Order, he is placing the pay of all members of Congress into an escrow fund that will be sent to each rep’s home district to help those districts pay their bills, and no member of Congress will see a dime of pay until they get real and straighten this out. Then announce that he’s ready to defend himself against any legal action the opposition will take.
2012 would see a landslide that would dwarf Reagan-Mondale.
I’d be amazed if he did something like that.
I doubt it will happen, though.
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Kid A Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:15:30pm |
re: #91 Fozzie Bear
The war will take weeks, not months! (Cheney actually said that.)
Flowers and candy from the citizens!
//
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laZardo Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:15:36pm |
re: #88 engineer dog
2004 : republican president, senate, & house
2006 : republican president and senate, democratic house
2008 : democratic president, house, and senate
2010 : democratic president and senate, republican house
plenty to work with there for people who believe that they can interpret election results in terms of ideological agendas
you can’t
I meant more like I’m not going to be fully convinced that the majority will think that the Republicans are on the right side of things until the day after Election Day 2012.
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Fozzie Bear Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:15:58pm |
re: #90 ProLifeLiberal
Oh god, not this again.
This cost of Libya has been less than a thousandth of Iraq.
Why in God’s Green Earth do you like defending Genocidal Dictators?
Are you serious? Why don’t you just ask him why he hates America? This is a bullshit arguing tactic, you know it, and you should be ashamed.
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ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:16:10pm |
re: #96 laZardo
The cost of Libya are slower to rise than that of either Iraq and Afghanistan.
I’ve gotten fed up with both the debt ceiling, and those saying that it would have been okay to let Qaddafi do what he wanted.
So I’ve decided the best way to handle this is to attack the other side.
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Achilles Tang Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:16:17pm |
re: #60 Spocomptonite
..and then when the Chinese are offered some treasury securities they will say ok, but add another half point or so the interest, and overnight that will hit my rates. I want the TP to tell me how that is any different from a tax hike on me.
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Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:16:25pm |
re: #83 Fozzie Bear
Ross Perot not only lost the election, he’s now a figure of risiblity. I have no idea why people are suddenly referencing his style as though it’s awesome.
I think the problem is the lack of attention on the part of the American people, not Obama. They sincerely have not shown that they give much of a shit. The GOP stated that they were going to do shit like this in their campaigns. The Tea Party idiots were obviously the kind to do this. And yet they got elected. Rand Paul got elected. The Ryan plan was greated as though it was sensible. Obama eviscerated it, and called it a fake plan, which it was— and very few people, proportionally speaking, paid attention to the whole thing.
You are feeling a lot of rage, I’m sure. But you’re you. Do you really, honestly think that the majority of America is even clued into what’s happening right now?
In order for Obama’s message to communicate he’s got to get listened to in the first place. He’s said everything there is to say about the necessity to raise taxes over and over and over. He’s pointed out that Ryan’s plan and much of the GOP thinking is complete fallacy. He hasn’t screamed about it, but screaming only actually gets more people to hear you if you’re in a very small room.
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FQ Kafir Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:16:53pm |
Great interactive graph from the Minneapolis Fed showing how well this administration has handled our fiscal matters.
[Link: www.theatlantic.com…]
When will reasonable people on the left start to admit that Obama’s policies aren’t working? Maybe even hurting?
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:17:17pm |
re: #96 laZardo
I never said Gaddafi wasn’t a douchebag. What the hell.
And we’ve only been there for three months as compared to seven and ten years for the other armed campaigns. Give it a year or so, then we’ll see the costs starting to add up.
Costs we can’t afford.
I think the bigger mistake was Bush and Blair normalizing relations with Libya and freeing the Lockerbie bomber. I”m glad Obama is participating in the in effort to kill Q’Daffy.
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Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:17:22pm |
re: #89 Kid A
Some economists wrote a book a few years ago called the three-trillion dollar war, or something to that effect. Anyway, about a year ago they came back and said “Whoopsie! Our estimates were too conservative. Make it 5 trillion.”
What are the projected final costs going to be? I mean after “penalties and interest”. It’s going to be another Spanish-American War tax for the next 100 years not doubt. The final cost will be more than the actual current cost. It has to be. They don’t include long term care of veterans either in their calculations.
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FQ Kafir Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:17:46pm |
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Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:18:42pm |
re: #106 FQ Kafir
Why are you pretending Obama’s policies have been in play? Desperately compromised policies have been in play, forced into being by a historically obstructionist GOP.
So can you explain why you’re calling the policies those of this administration?
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Spocomptonite Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:18:56pm |
re: #77 000G
U.S. Contingency Plan Gives Bondholders Priority
[Link: www.bloomberg.com…]
hmmm
Good priority: Social Security holds $2.5 trillion in bonds. How about the size of that missed payment, Big Steve?
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ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:19:20pm |
re: #106 FQ Kafir
I guarantee there is something your not telling us. Your side distorts things to often.
But now I have a pincushion to vent at, so it’s a little better. Considering people like you will ruin any chance I have of a good life here, I think however I decide to treat you will be deserved.
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Kid A Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:19:25pm |
re: #108 Gus 802
What are the projected final costs going to be? I mean after “penalties and interest”. It’s going to be another Spanish-American War tax for the next 100 years not doubt. The final cost will be more than the actual current cost. It has to be. They don’t include long term care of veterans either in their calculations.
Gus, actually all that is taken into account. I mean, these dudes really get into the nuts and bolts. Think projected spending by casualties, costs of divorce by grieving parents. You name it, it’s there. And it’s REAL. If any politician read it, they never, ever would’ve supported the war in Iraq.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:19:28pm |
I know it’s like beating the dead horse and all that, but I can’t get over it. The West’s Darkest Hour doubles down:
Do you know that through the novels Harry never uses “Avara Kadavra”, the killing spell against the bad guys? He merely uses the disarming charm, “Expelliarmus.” But only in the movies for children the Harry characters win. In real life you have to make a transition to the dark side to become a good soldier.
I have read The Turner Diaries twice. When I read it for the first time I didn’t like the Breivik-like cruelties: for example the killing of an innocent black—the first killing of the novel—or an entire group of nationalist white warriors in Toronto for not taking care of the Jewish Problem almost at the end of the Holy Racial War. And in the Day of the Rope many innocent young women (and men) also die. Then I read Covington’s Quartet. I sensed a moral difference. Covington’s characters are not so cruel, in the sense of so many innocents dying too, as Pierce’s characters. I imagine myself doing the things in Covington’s novels. But some passages of the Diaries make me wonder…
But you know? Pierce was ultimately right. As soldiers of The Order, we must be like the walking dead. The difference with the Quartet (Uncle Harold hasn’t finished the fifth novel) and the Diaries is that in Pierce’s world not only an ethno-state is born: in the final pages it’s described that only the white race shall inherit the Earth.
This final item of the Diaries is too strong meat to digest in a mere blog comment and I won’t go further with that, save saying that if completely heartless people followed the cruel script you quoted above, the chances of setting fire on Europe by provoking the Muslim population that way would be infinitely greater than the Expelliarmus charm that this blogsite seems to promote.
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FQ Kafir Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:19:45pm |
Does anybody else get the feeling that Obama will have some competition for the 2012 Dem Nomination? Hillary, maybe?
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Stanghazi Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:20:07pm |
re: #92 makeitstop
Obama should let the clock run out, then address the nation and tell them that by Executive Order, he is placing the pay of all members of Congress into an escrow fund that will be sent to each rep’s home district to help those districts pay their bills, and no member of Congress will see a dime of pay until they get real and straighten this out. Then announce that he’s ready to defend himself against any legal action the opposition will take.
2012 would see a landslide that would dwarf Reagan-Mondale.
I know I read too many political blogs. The average Joe has no idea, but seriously the talk I’ve seen of impeachment attempts makes me freak. If Pres. Obama gets in any way uppity I fear were in for another ride. :(((
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Kid A Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:20:17pm |
re: #115 FQ Kafir
Does anybody else get the feeling that Obama will have some competition for the 2012 Dem Nomination? Hillary, maybe?
Highly doubtful, but Bernie Sanders said as much last week.
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blueraven Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:20:37pm |
re: #106 FQ Kafir
Great interactive graph from the Minneapolis Fed showing how well this administration has handled our fiscal matters.
[Link: www.theatlantic.com…]
When will reasonable people on the left start to admit that Obama’s policies aren’t working? Maybe even hurting?
What these charts show is this: The economic downturn beginning in 2007 was much deeper than originally thought.
Analysts also thought, as recently as twelve hours ago, that the economy declined 6.8% and 4.9% in the quarters bisected by Obama’s inauguration. It turns out the actual declines were much steeper: 8.9% and 6.7%.
To adopt the president’s favorite metaphor of the ditch and the driver: The ditch was a 33% deeper than we thought. And we’re driving 33% slower than we hoped. Take a look at these graphs, via Economist, to soak it in:
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HoosierHoops Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:20:51pm |
re: #115 FQ Kafir
Does anybody else get the feeling that Obama will have some competition for the 2012 Dem Nomination? Hillary, maybe?
You’re kidding I hope…
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Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:21:15pm |
re: #115 FQ Kafir
Does anybody else get the feeling that Obama will have some competition for the 2012 Dem Nomination? Hillary, maybe?
How about you try to actually participate in a conversation, instead of throwing out chum?
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Achilles Tang Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:21:18pm |
re: #96 laZardo
I never said Gaddafi wasn’t a douchebag. What the hell.
And we’ve only been there for three months as compared to seven and ten years for the other armed campaigns. Give it a year or so, then we’ll see the costs starting to add up.
Costs we can’t afford.
We are there? What are we doing that we wouldn’t be doing with our normal staffing commitments to NATO? We aren’t flying anything but some drones perhaps.
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Kid A Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:21:30pm |
re: #116 Stanley Sea
I know I read too many political blogs. The average Joe has no idea, but seriously the talk I’ve seen of impeachment attempts makes me freak. If Pres. Obama gets in any way uppity I fear were in for another ride. :(((
If we can get you impeached for a blowjob, ya think we’re gonna stop with the Marxist Kenyan in the White House??!! Ha!
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:21:31pm |
re: #115 FQ Kafir
Does anybody else get the feeling that Obama will have some competition for the 2012 Dem Nomination? Hillary, maybe?
Um, no.
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Fozzie Bear Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:21:56pm |
re: #106 FQ Kafir
Great interactive graph from the Minneapolis Fed showing how well this administration has handled our fiscal matters.
[Link: www.theatlantic.com…]
When will reasonable people on the left start to admit that Obama’s policies aren’t working? Maybe even hurting?
Obama’s policies? Which policy are you referring to, that is both enacted fully, and exists as proposed by Obama. Name ONE. Just one.
You are a fool. I mean that. You have been played like a violin by people who are taking everything you ever worked for away from you. You are cheering your own executioner, and I feel pity for you.
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Lidane Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:21:59pm |
re: #121 Obdicut
How about you try to actually participate in a conversation, instead of throwing out chum?
That would involve actual thought and substance first.
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FQ Kafir Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:22:19pm |
re: #118 blueraven
Bush isn’t on the ticket in 2012. Obama will bear the brunt of responsibility.
Anyway, this is the link I meant to provide.
[Link: www.minneapolisfed.org…]
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simoom Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:22:32pm |
My take on the current outline is that if the super-committee has just one centrist Republican on it you’ll end up with something along the lines of the gang of six proposal, so lowered tax rates & increased revenue. This will be a total non-starter in the House so the Dems should make sure they’re willing to live with the trigger cuts mix (for example steeper pentagon cuts than the GOP would have let through normally) and they should at some point before the super-committee proposal vote make public that the expiration of the Bush tax cuts will be part of the trigger fallback.
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Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:22:52pm |
re: #113 Kid A
Gus, actually all that is taken into account. I mean, these dudes really get into the nuts and bolts. Think projected spending by casualties, costs of divorce by grieving parents. You name it, it’s there. And it’s REAL. If any politician read it, they never, ever would’ve supported the war in Iraq.
OK. 5 trillion is way above the current cost of approximately 800 some odd billion for Iraq alone. Did they give a time frame for the “final payment”. I was thinking 100 years.
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Lidane Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:23:13pm |
re: #125 Fozzie Bear
Obama’s policies? Which policy are you referring to, that is both enacted fully, and exists as proposed by Obama. Name ONE. Just one.
You are a fool. I mean that. You have been played like a violin by people who are taking everything you ever worked for away from you. You are cheering your own executioner, and I feel pity for you.
At this point, I’m convinced they’re just a bitter troll from the old days at LGF. I’m not giving their posts any real credence.
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engineer cat Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:23:47pm |
re: #115 FQ Kafir
Does anybody else get the feeling that Obama will have some competition for the 2012 Dem Nomination? Hillary, maybe?
i have a feeling that the gop make wake up in 2012 and find that they have thoroughly fucked themselves with the american people
after all, no matter how many times they have taken over all three branches of government in the past 45 years, they always have ended up fucking things up and getting thrown out
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Spocomptonite Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:23:48pm |
re: #127 FQ Kafir
Bush isn’t on the ticket in 2012. Obama will bear the brunt of responsibility.
Anyway, this is the link I meant to provide.
[Link: www.minneapolisfed.org…]
I’m sorry, but no. The Republican obstructionists with which Obama has tried too hard to compromise with are not going to take the concessions that they themselves wanted and say Obama is to blame for them existing.
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Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:23:57pm |
re: #128 simoom
As I’ve read it, the triggered cuts are just normal cuts, and could be restored easily enough.
I otherwise agree with you— the committee will recommend tax increases.
I hope that they do include the triggered taxes along with the cuts. That’d be nice. I doubt it’ll happen, though, I think the Tea Party is too drunk with power right now and will be able to prevent any taxes being present in the bill at the moment.
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FQ Kafir Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:24:01pm |
Did it everre: #125 Fozzie Bear
Did it ever occur to you that the countries that lend us the money to spend like drunken sailors might start to ratchet down the spigot? Maybe even turn it off?
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Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:25:06pm |
re: #134 FQ Kafir
Most debt is held not by foreign nations, but by Americans. You do know that, right?
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engineer cat Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:25:15pm |
by the way, just in case i haven’t said it enough
fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck
FUCK
(refills available on request)
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Stanghazi Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:25:17pm |
re: #100 Kid A
Flowers and candy from the citizens!
//
You want bitter right now? Iraq does that to me. No candy and flowers when our fucking soldiers stalk, rape, and kill a girl and her family.
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Lidane Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:25:27pm |
re: #134 FQ Kafir
If the Republicans lead us to default, that’s exactly what will happen.
Good job. Keep voting for the assholes that are going to ruin this country.
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ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:25:32pm |
re: #119 FQ Kafir
Same goes to you.
I’m Autistic, and therefore, uninsurable (Pre-existing conditions and all that).
Obama’s plan, while not perfect, would cover me. Pigs like you want to repeal it, meaning no insurance. Combined with the fact that I won’t be hired by the private sector because I will cost too much for there insurance, and the government won’t hire until the Tea Party passes away (30+ years), and I have no chance for a good life here.
You decide to come in and be a moron, saying how good things would be i the Teabaggers were in charge. And knowing the consequences that would have for me, you made yourself a target. Deal with it and man up.
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Kid A Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:26:02pm |
re: #129 Gus 802
Gus, I posted a page a few minutes ago about Gretchen Morgensen’s column today in the NY Times. Go check it out if you get a chance.
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makeitstop Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:26:22pm |
re: #99 Lidane
I’d be amazed if he did something like that.
I doubt it will happen, though.
Me, too, Lidane. Just a nice little daydeam to keep the Menacing Wold o Reality at bay for a bit.
Okay, I’m out. Everyone have as good a day as you can.
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Achilles Tang Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:26:26pm |
re: #106 FQ Kafir
Great interactive graph from the Minneapolis Fed showing how well this administration has handled our fiscal matters.
[Link: www.theatlantic.com…]
When will reasonable people on the left start to admit that Obama’s policies aren’t working? Maybe even hurting?
It is always funny to listen to right wingers preach about the need for smaller government and lower taxes as the solution to everything, and then turn around and say that the President should be the one creating jobs, when he is a Democrat.
Do you see the cognitive dissonance here, particularly that so far during this administration the GOP got the tax breaks they wanted and the deficit and recession is of their making?
How many times do people like you need to be reminded that Bush was handed a surplus?
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Spocomptonite Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:26:50pm |
re: #134 FQ Kafir
Did it ever
Did it ever occur to you that the countries that lend us the money to spend like drunken sailors might start to ratchet down the spigot? Maybe even turn it off?
Did it ever occur to you that all foreign countries combined don’t hold as much of the debt as the federal government does itself?
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laZardo Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:27:41pm |
re: #122 Naso Tang
We are there? What are we doing that we wouldn’t be doing with our normal staffing commitments to NATO? We aren’t flying anything but some drones perhaps.
More than that. Much more.
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Fozzie Bear Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:27:55pm |
re: #134 FQ Kafir
Did it ever
Did it ever occur to you that the countries that lend us the money to spend like drunken sailors might start to ratchet down the spigot? Maybe even turn it off?
Yes, it absolutely has. That’s why the Bush tax cuts were a terrible idea, as was the unfunded drug mandate in Medicare, taking the two wars off the books, and waging them in the first place.
That’s why I have never voted republican, and I never will. They love to spend money, and they refuse to collect the funds to pay for the spending. It’s astounding to me that anybody would be dumb enough to blame this on Obama, but hey, humans can be pretty fucking stupid.
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Lidane Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:28:01pm |
re: #142 Naso Tang
How many times do people like you need to be reminded that Bush was handed a surplus?
Facts are inconvenient things.
.
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engineer cat Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:28:19pm |
re: #134 FQ Kafir
Did it ever
Did it ever occur to you that the countries that lend us the money to spend like drunken sailors might start to ratchet down the spigot? Maybe even turn it off?
and every single one of these countries that has the cash to lend us is considerably more “socialist” than us
i wonder how that happened
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FQ Kafir Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:28:58pm |
Wow. Can any of you visualize a way to pay all of this money back?
This guy has his hands full just visualizing the money itself.
[Link: usdebt.kleptocracy.us…]
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:28:59pm |
re: #114 Sergey Romanov
And these are ads in his frontpage:
#
The death of Nazi Germany was the death of Western man and everything he once stood for (click on the above pic).#
The Holocaust of Ukrainians perpetrated by Jews
This is the guy to whom GoV _still links_.
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ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:29:09pm |
re: #144 laZardo
That ended 4 MONTHS AGO!!!
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blueraven Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:29:11pm |
re: #127 FQ Kafir
Bush isn’t on the ticket in 2012. Obama will bear the brunt of responsibility.
Anyway, this is the link I meant to provide.
[Link: www.minneapolisfed.org…]
I dont give a damn what link you meant to post. This is the truth. In 2007 the economy was headed toward the cliff and in 2008 we hit the precipice, and you all try to pretend that is not so. Now we know just how bad it was. Jobs were disappearing at nearly 3/4 of a million a month by Jan 2009, revenues declined. This was not due to Obama, comprende?
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simoom Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:29:37pm |
re: #133 Obdicut
I hope that they do include the triggered taxes along with the cuts. That’d be nice. I doubt it’ll happen, though, I think the Tea Party is too drunk with power right now and will be able to prevent any taxes being present in the bill at the moment.
I don’t think it should be part of the current legislated trigger, just something the Dems eventually declare as part of the trigger months from now (since you could blow up the current deal and make the GOP make demands around the Bush Tax cuts to pass the debt ceiling increase). Since the Dems have full control over whether or not they’re allowed to expire they can raise them as a trigger consequence whenever it politically best suits them.
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Kronocide Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:30:24pm |
re: #106 FQ Kafir
Great interactive graph from the Minneapolis Fed showing how well this administration has handled our fiscal matters.
[Link: www.theatlantic.com…]
When will reasonable people on the left start to admit that Obama’s policies aren’t working? Maybe even hurting?
What’s a ‘Minneapolis Fed?’
And how did you read that the information and opinions therein were an indictment of Obama’s policies?
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Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:30:37pm |
re: #148 FQ Kafir
Wow. Can any of you visualize a way to pay all of this money back?
This guy has his hands full just visualizing the money itself.
[Link: usdebt.kleptocracy.us…]
Sure. Invest heavily in science, technology, infrastructure and education, provide a strong social net, and do massive investment in alternative energies.
historically, research into science, technology, infrastructure and education leads to national prosperity, so why wouldn’t it now?
I don’t expect you to actually answer, as you seem totally incapable of doing anything other than reciting tired talking points.
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ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:30:57pm |
re: #148 FQ Kafir
Yeah. It’s called ‘raising taxes.’
However, ignorant little tards like yourself can’t bear the idea of helping a community, let alone a nation. You are too trapped in Ayn Rand’s myth of hyper-individualism.
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bratwurst Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:31:02pm |
re: #115 FQ Kafir
Does anybody else get the feeling that Obama will have some competition for the 2012 Dem Nomination? Hillary, maybe?
I think this scenario is exclusive to the fantasies of those on the right.
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Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:31:35pm |
re: #152 simoom
Ah, agreed. It’s my understanding the McConnell bill can’t actually pass in time without unanimous consent to waive the 30 hour countdown. Is that true?
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Achilles Tang Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:31:38pm |
re: #144 laZardo
More than that. Much more.
I don’t know what you mean by much more. The US forces there are normally in the area. They don’t fly combat now in Libya.
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FQ Kafir Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:31:41pm |
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ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:31:44pm |
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Spocomptonite Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:31:57pm |
re: #148 FQ Kafir
Wow. Can any of you visualize a way to pay all of this money back?
This guy has his hands full just visualizing the money itself.
[Link: usdebt.kleptocracy.us…]
No try imagining the combined income of a couple hundred million americans since Reagan. A little more taxation would’ve gone a long way in preventing this.
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Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:32:13pm |
re: #161 ProLifeLiberal
I don’t think being vicious achieves anything other than easing your spleen for a moment, though.
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Fozzie Bear Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:32:20pm |
Starting two wars while simultaneously cutting taxes is like taking out a huge loan for a new car and quitting your job on the same day. Sure, you can max out your credit cards for awhile and coast, but if you blame the car dealership later when when the bank comes and takes your car and your house, you are a fucking idiot.
This is where we are now. And instead of blaming the asshole that bought the car, we blame the bank.
The American people, as an aggregate, are hopelessly stupid.
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Spocomptonite Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:32:37pm |
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engineer cat Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:33:15pm |
re: #148 FQ Kafir
Wow. Can any of you visualize a way to pay all of this money back?
This guy has his hands full just visualizing the money itself.
[Link: usdebt.kleptocracy.us…]
never seemed to bother george bush or his buddies
or ronald reagan for that matter
“ronald reagan proved that deficits don’t matter”
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Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:33:15pm |
re: #160 FQ Kafir
re: #155 Obdicut
That worked out real well with Spain.
Spain definitely didn’t do the best implementation. However, in many other European countries, it’s worked out very well. Is there any reason you cant’ acknowledge the success of such programs, but need to only focus on failures?
And again, a question you dodged: are you unaware most US debt is bought by those in the US?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:33:33pm |
re: #149 Sergey Romanov
And these are ads in his frontpage:
This is the guy to whom GoV _still links_.
And here’s paean to Hitler.
[Link: caesartort.blogspot.com…]
My awakening to the realities of the Jewish Question (JQ) was such that I am no longer on speaking terms with some conservative bloggers who are willfully blind to acknowledge that such JQ does indeed exist. The paradigm shift was so cataclysmic that in those February days I did not dare to tell the whole story of what was going on in my mind. Now that I have purchased some books and read what is perhaps the best on the JQ, Kevin MacDonald’s The Culture of Critique, I must confess a soliloquy I had in my private diaries. On my copy of Mein Kampf, on 27 February 2010 I wrote:
After the lightning bolt that pissed off Taksei so much, I realized that—oh irony of ironies!—Hitler was right about his “anti-Semitism” (though I still believe he was wrong about accepting the genocide of Jews in 1942). The irony is that in a very recent post [now removed from this blog] I say exactly the opposite, that anti-Semitism is wrong. Now I must settle the score with Hitler. Let’s see how much I can stand reading this book…
Same names, same faces. This guy was converted to Hitlerism by “academician” Doktor MacDonald.
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Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:34:14pm |
re: #169 Sergey Romanov
How can Gates of Vienna still pretend to be pro-Jewish when linking to a holocaust denier antisemite?
Maybe they’re just tired and don’t give a shit.
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Achilles Tang Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:34:18pm |
re: #148 FQ Kafir
Wow. Can any of you visualize a way to pay all of this money back?
This guy has his hands full just visualizing the money itself.
[Link: usdebt.kleptocracy.us…]
Yes, if we can get growth back to a reasonable level along with revenue increases and more efficient government we might pay it off in 15 or 20 years. You know, like a home mortgage thingy.
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ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:34:41pm |
re: #160 FQ Kafir
Except they don’t have nearly the safety net, and have a far lower tax rate than necessary.
Go to Norway and Sweden to see how it is done properly, you dittohead gasbag.
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Kronocide Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:35:46pm |
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brownbagj Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:36:22pm |
re: #172 ProLifeLiberal
I don’t think you can compare the US to Norway, Sweden, China etc.
The mere fact that we are a melting pot and have a vast array of cultures means, at least to me, that we will never have the one national viewpoint of these countries.
A blessing, and a curse.
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Spocomptonite Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:36:40pm |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:37:10pm |
re: #170 Obdicut
How can Gates of Vienna still pretend to be pro-Jewish when linking to a holocaust denier antisemite?
Maybe they’re just tired and don’t give a shit.
Before Charles called them out they could have excused themselves by noting that they only link to his old blog, and that he started writing this antisemitic stuff only recently. That wouldn’t really pass the muster since last postings on the old blog are antisemitic as hell. But after LGF’s call-out (which, I’m sure, they have read) they don’t even have this excuse.
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Spocomptonite Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:37:17pm |
re: #174 brownbagj
I don’t think you can compare the US to Norway, Sweden, China etc.
The mere fact that we are a melting pot and have a vast array of cultures means, at least to me, that we will never have the one national viewpoint of these countries.
A blessing, and a curse.
Having been to China, I can say this is a very false perception.
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brownbagj Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:37:46pm |
re: #177 Spocomptonite
I have too. What is false - they are no melting pot.
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Fozzie Bear Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:38:10pm |
re: #174 brownbagj
I don’t think you can compare the US to Norway, Sweden, China etc.
The mere fact that we are a melting pot and have a vast array of cultures means, at least to me, that we will never have the one national viewpoint of these countries.
A blessing, and a curse.
I don’t think the diversity of cultures has any bearing on what tax structure makes the most sense.
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Achilles Tang Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:38:26pm |
re: #153 Gus 802
NATO was created for the Cold War. Time to pull out.
Next.
Right, whatever comes next, it’s everyone for themselves. Don’t count on the US anymore, we’re broke and screwing ourselves./
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:38:52pm |
re: #169 Sergey Romanov
And here’s paean to Hitler.
[Link: caesartort.blogspot.com…]
Same names, same faces. This guy was converted to Hitlerism by “academician” Doktor MacDonald.
oh wow:
Kevin B. MacDonald (born January 24, 1944) is a professor of psychology at California State University, Long Beach, best known for his use of evolutionary psychology to inform his study of Judaism as being a “group evolutionary strategy.”
MacDonald’s most controversial claim is that a suite of traits that he attributes to Jews, including higher-than-average verbal intelligence and ethnocentricism, have eugenically evolved to enhance the ability of Jews to conspire to out-compete non-Jews for resources while undermining the power and self-confidence of the white majorities in Europe and America whom he insists Jews seek to disposess
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Achilles Tang Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:39:25pm |
re: #173 BigPapa
YOU WIN INTERNETS IN $TRILLION$ DOLLAR QUESTION!
Hey, I just received that in an email!! Joy joy.
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brownbagj Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:40:28pm |
re: #179 Fozzie Bear
I actually think it might. Of course, this is pure bullshitting on my part admittedly, but it is much harder to agree to what levels of safety nets, taxes to pay for them etc if a society has multiple cultures, backgrounds etc.
Our national identity is that we have no national identity (at least in my mind - a nation of immigrants so to speak).
Our differences make us stronger, but it can also hinder us as well.
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kirkspencer Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:40:43pm |
re: #148 FQ Kafir
Wow. Can any of you visualize a way to pay all of this money back?
This guy has his hands full just visualizing the money itself.
[Link: usdebt.kleptocracy.us…]
Your brain hurts when it plays with big numbers? Sadly, that’s not uncommon. There are some convenient tricks to cope, however.
Let’s say US GDP is 100 Bills. (one bill is, then, about $14T.) That is, we the nation earns 100 Bills per year.
The US public debt is roughly 100 Bills. It’s on a roughly 20 year payoff plan at an interest rate of around 2%. The monthly payment due is about 0.5 Bills, or about 6 Bills per year.
Yep, that’s a heckuva payment - we should all be oh so concerned. (/sarcasm)
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:40:51pm |
re: #181 000G
I first started paying attention when I learned that he was David Irving’s witness at the 2000 trial (though he claimed then that he did not doubt the Holocaust). It was all downhill since then.
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Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:41:14pm |
You can’t have your cake and eat it too. If we want to have bullet trains, free college educations, real healthcare for all Americans, feed and house the poor, space exploration, a solvent Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid we can’t do so by being liberals and PNAC-Neocons (ooga booga) at the same time. Something has to give and this obsession with being the world’s policeman has to come to an end or at least be severely curbed.
The USA spends nearly half (43 percent) of the world’s GDP on defense spending. That’s not the way a real globalist thinks.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:42:11pm |
re: #170 Obdicut
Obdi, note this:
It was the same copy of Mein Kampf that I had started to read in 1996, when I was a staunch philo-Semite. In 1996 I was living in Houston and annotated that copy with many longhand footnotes about Hitler’s purported “paranoia” on the JQ (as I have said, most of my life I was unaware about what the Jews had done in Russia and in America). The “irony” I referred to above was my realization that, just as I had a lightning experience, young Adolf had experienced something quite similar before my grandma was born. Since in my second reading of Mein Kampf I no longer held that pondering around the JQ was by itself paranoia, the experience was like leafing through the book for the first time in my life.
That’s what I was talking about when Alex Jones was being discussed and I wrote that I was surprised why he didn’t go all antisemitic. This is such a natural progression.
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brownbagj Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:42:30pm |
re: #186 Gus 802
But, if we pull out, can we trust Europe to not spiral out of control, forcing us back in to then not only spend money, but hundreds of thousands of lives?
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engineer cat Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:42:47pm |
we had government that represented wealthy interests a hundred years ago - cartoonists at that time joked about “the senator from standard oil, the senator from the northern securities”, etc
and we have government that represents wealthy interests now
the only difference is…
okay, there is no difference
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:42:50pm |
re: #106 FQ Kafir
Great interactive graph from the Minneapolis Fed showing how well this administration has handled our fiscal matters.
[Link: www.theatlantic.com…]
When will reasonable people on the left start to admit that Obama’s policies aren’t working? Maybe even hurting?
Earlier today, I cooked and ate a frozen vegetable spring roll that I knew was likely to cause indigestion. I’m now on my 4th hour of spring roll-flavored horror burps, with no end in sight.
I blame libs, libtards, liberals, the left, lefties, and socialis{m,ts}.
P.S.: n0bama
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kirkspencer Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:42:57pm |
re: #184 kirkspencer
Your brain hurts when it plays with big numbers? Sadly, that’s not uncommon. There are some convenient tricks to cope, however.
Let’s say US GDP is 100 Bills. (one bill is, then, about $14T.) That is, we the nation earns 100 Bills per year.
The US public debt is roughly 100 Bills. It’s on a roughly 20 year payoff plan at an interest rate of around 2%. The monthly payment due is about 0.5 Bills, or about 6 Bills per year.
Yep, that’s a heckuva payment - we should all be oh so concerned. (/sarcasm)
PMF. 1 Bill is 0.14T, or $140B. the rest works.
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Spocomptonite Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:42:57pm |
re: #178 brownbagj
I have too. What is false - they are no melting pot.
really? Just because they draconianly don’t embrace it doesn’t mean that they don’t have multiple cultures. Let’s see, there’s the Uyghar, Manchurian, Tibetan, South Chinese… there’s even differences between the coastal regions, inland regions, and river regions. Not to mention the surprisingly high levels of immigration in the major cities. And that’s just what I learned in a week.
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brownbagj Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:44:03pm |
re: #192 Spocomptonite
Yes, really. Dissent is not allowed - or maybe you are forgetting that. Also, the personal value of individualism is not existent.
Really?
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Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:44:04pm |
re: #188 brownbagj
But, if we pull out, can we trust Europe to not spiral out of control, forcing us back in to then not only spend money, but hundreds of thousands of lives?
Right. What will those Godless atheists and Muslims do! The Soviet will invade if we let them fend for themselves.
No, wait, there is not more Soviet Union…
OK, better find a new enemy! Time to call 1-800-PNAC 4YOU!
//
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Kid A Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:45:32pm |
re: #186 Gus 802
Hey, Gus, I think you may have gotten it wrong. It doesn’t say 43% of global GDP. There’s just no way we spend that much annually.
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brownbagj Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:45:35pm |
re: #195 Gus 802
I see what you did there. But I thought part of our presence over in multiple countries in Europe was “preventative.”
Honestly asking. But it seems when we were much more isolationist, lots of people died.
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Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:46:20pm |
re: #193 Kid A
We were warned…
[Video]
…
There is no military-industrial complex! That’s a lie and Eisenhower was a COMMIE!!11ty
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laZardo Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:47:22pm |
re: #196 Kid A
43% of the money that the world spends on the military is probably what he meant.
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FQ Kafir Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:47:34pm |
More than half of Europe is implementing austerity programs due to profligate spending. It truly is time to “eat our peas,” before we turn into Greece.
We have no money. Raising taxes depresses the job market.
Lower or stable taxes=more hiring, the opposite is also true.
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Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:47:47pm |
re: #197 brownbagj
I see what you did there. But I thought part of our presence over in multiple countries in Europe was “preventative.”
Honestly asking. But it seems when we were much more isolationist, lots of people died.
It’s not 1939 anymore. Neither is it 1946. It’s over. We can always respond with our current defense structure.
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Kid A Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:48:01pm |
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Spocomptonite Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:48:24pm |
re: #200 FQ Kafir
“We have no money”, said while we have the lowest tax rates in 30-90 years depending on tax bracket.
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blueraven Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:49:06pm |
re: #200 FQ Kafir
More than half of Europe is implementing austerity programs due to profligate spending. It truly is time to “eat our peas,” before we turn into Greece.
We have no money. Raising taxes depresses the job market.
Lower or stable taxes=more hiring, the opposite is also true.
Talking point. Lets see proof. Reagan raised taxes, Clinton raised taxes. We did OK then.
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brownbagj Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:49:24pm |
re: #201 Gus 802
I would agree with you for the most part. Just thinking out loud as to what the possible consequences might be.
I also get sick of those countries who complain about our bases, but the second we mention closing a base and bringing our men and women home, all hell breaks loose.
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jaunte Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:49:38pm |
re: #200 FQ Kafir
We have no money. Raising taxes depresses the job market.
In the five years after a $241 billion tax increase in 1993, which Republicans criticized as the largest ever, the U.S. economy created more than 15 million jobs and grew at an average annual rate of 3.8 percent. [Link: www.bloomberg.com…]
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:49:50pm |
re: #187 Sergey Romanov
Obdi, note this:
That’s what I was talking about when Alex Jones was being discussed and I wrote that I was surprised why he didn’t go all antisemitic. This is such a natural progression.
It is a progression. I wouldn’t call it natural. I know a couple of philosemites who managed to not become antisemites. Same with left-right conversations (wasn’t Breitbart allegedly a leftie in his tweens?). Sometimes it happens and then reveals something having gone on underneath the shallow surface and sometimes it doesn’t.
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FQ Kafir Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:49:50pm |
re: #203 Spocomptonite
How much did the Obama administration spend? Yeah.
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Kid A Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:49:50pm |
re: #200 FQ Kafir
More than half of Europe is implementing austerity programs due to profligate spending. It truly is time to “eat our peas,” before we turn into Greece.
We have no money. Raising taxes depresses the job market.
Lower or stable taxes=more hiring, the opposite is also true.
That’s utter rubbish. More demand = more hiring.
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Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:49:50pm |
re: #196 Kid A
Hey, Gus, I think you may have gotten it wrong. It doesn’t say 43% of global GDP. There’s just no way we spend that much annually.
Oh. I think it mean 43 percent of world military spending then. Anyway. That still works.
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Spocomptonite Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:50:02pm |
re: #200 FQ Kafir
More than half of Europe is implementing austerity programs due to profligate spending. It truly is time to “eat our peas,” before we turn into Greece.
We have no money. Raising taxes depresses the job market.
Lower or stable taxes=more hiring, the opposite is also true.
Pleas, explain to me, how people who make a million dollar a year create jobs with that million dollars a year, and how raising taxes rates 1-5% will jeopardize their creation of said jobs?
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Fozzie Bear Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:50:10pm |
re: #188 brownbagj
But, if we pull out, can we trust Europe to not spiral out of control, forcing us back in to then not only spend money, but hundreds of thousands of lives?
I think at some point we have to acknowledge that we can either stand together as a nation, or fall apart as an empire.
The empire thing isn’t working out so well, especially considering that we aren’t collecting any tribute from our various satellites. It’s breaking us financially.
It’s time to pull out, in my opinion, and I realize the consequences may be ugly for the rest of the world. The consequences would be even uglier if we crumble as a nation.
We are overextended. We need to either raise a lot more revenue, or reduce our commitments overseas. (Really, we need to do both, imo.)
What is the goal over there? What are the terms of success? I don’t think we ever bothered defining them, and that lack of clarity of mission has fucked us. It’s time to get out.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:50:25pm |
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ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:50:32pm |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:50:49pm |
re: #209 000G
Uh, did you seriously consider I wrote it about philosemites? *eyeroll*
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Achilles Tang Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:50:54pm |
re: #200 FQ Kafir
Raising taxes depresses the job market.
Lower or stable taxes=more hiring, the opposite is also true.
Show us the data buddy. Taxes are now lower than they have ever been. How’s that working out for you and your religion?
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FQ Kafir Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:50:55pm |
re: #213 Spocomptonite
Because businesses are taxed at the same rate.
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Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:51:18pm |
re: #200 FQ Kafir
More than half of Europe is implementing austerity programs due to profligate spending. It truly is time to “eat our peas,” before we turn into Greece.
We have no money. Raising taxes depresses the job market.
Lower or stable taxes=more hiring, the opposite is also true.
Your Greek analogy doesn’t work at all. One of the reasons that Greece is in trouble is because they weren’t collecting taxes while people still raked in the benefits.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:51:26pm |
re: #204 BigPapa
‘Fact check Aisle 200’
Don’t bother. It’s a waste of time. He’s just spewing talking points.
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Fozzie Bear Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:51:28pm |
re: #200 FQ Kafir
More than half of Europe is implementing austerity programs due to profligate spending. It truly is time to “eat our peas,” before we turn into Greece.
We have no money. Raising taxes depresses the job market.
Lower or stable taxes=more hiring, the opposite is also true.
We don’t have any peas, dude. We ate them already.
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ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:51:36pm |
re: #210 FQ Kafir
A whole lot less than Bush, that’s for sure.
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FQ Kafir Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:51:37pm |
re: #218 Naso Tang
Uncertainty about Obamacare is one example.
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brownbagj Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:51:45pm |
re: #214 Fozzie Bear
I agree.
And I would go so far that once these countries has to start spending money on military themselves, they will find it very hard to pay for all of the social safety nets and self preservation as well.
We, the American taxpayer, subsidize a lot around the world.
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RadicalModerate Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:51:59pm |
re: #210 FQ Kafir
How much did the Obama administration spend? Yeah.
To stave off complete economic collapse?
Not nearly enough.
(and BTW, most of that money was allocated in 2008 - prior to Obama taking office).
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ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:52:23pm |
re: #224 FQ Kafir
What do you propose for people like me, you ignorant gasbag?
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engineer cat Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:52:30pm |
re: #200 FQ Kafir
Raising taxes depresses the job market.
Lower or stable taxes=more hiring, the opposite is also true.
how come this has never happened in practice?
how can people still try to sell this bullshit when it has NEVER HAPPENED IN REALITY?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:52:40pm |
re: #200 FQ Kafir
More than half of Europe is implementing austerity programs due to profligate spending. It truly is time to “eat our peas,” before we turn into Greece.
We have no money. Raising taxes depresses the job market.
Lower or stable taxes=more hiring, the opposite is also true.
We could hardly turn into Greece at all, since Greece has revenue collection problems we don’t have for cultural reasons.
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Spocomptonite Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:52:48pm |
re: #210 FQ Kafir
How much did the Obama administration spend? Yeah.
WTF? He’s been trying to raise taxes to close the gap ever since he came into office!!! ARG your blatantly obvious talking point annoy me! How can you not see this elephant in the room?!?!
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Achilles Tang Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:53:01pm |
re: #213 Spocomptonite
Pleas, explain to me, how people who make a million dollar a year create jobs with that million dollars a year, and how raising taxes rates 1-5% will jeopardize their creation of said jobs?
It’s a religious thing. You know, faith. Perhaps he will quote a TP prophet as proof, but don’t hold your breath.
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Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:53:04pm |
re: #200 FQ Kafir
We have no money. Raising taxes depresses the job market.
Lower or stable taxes=more hiring, the opposite is also true.
Why are you ignoring the actual history of what happened following the Bush tax cuts in order to make this argument?
Why are you ignoring how we got out of the great depression?
Why are you ignoring what’s actually happening in the states right now?
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FQ Kafir Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:53:31pm |
I guess y’all have it pretty much figured out.
Rest assured, what happened last November was no fluke. America wants to reign in the crazy spending.
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engineer cat Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:53:42pm |
re: #219 FQ Kafir
Because businesses are taxed at the same rate.
your answer has been marked INCORRECT
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Spocomptonite Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:54:25pm |
re: #233 FQ Kafir
I guess y’all have it pretty much figured out.
Rest assured, what happened last November was no fluke. America wants to reign in the crazy
spending.
Which is why Obama is going to be a two-termer.
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Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:54:27pm |
re: #233 FQ Kafir
You mean the massive spending of Reagan, Bush, and Bush II?
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Fozzie Bear Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:54:31pm |
re: #200 FQ Kafir
Lower or stable taxes=more hiring, the opposite is also true.
Why do you believe this to be true? Just asserting it as an a priori truth doesn’t make it valid.
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engineer cat Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:55:00pm |
re: #233 FQ Kafir
I guess y’all have it pretty much figured out.
Rest assured, what happened last November was no fluke. America wants to reign in the crazy spending.
rest assured, what happened in 1992, 1994, 2006 and 2008 was no fluke. america is not a country of ignorant sociopaths
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blueraven Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:55:15pm |
re: #210 FQ Kafir
How much did the Obama administration spend? Yeah.
Not really all that much in the scheme of things. But the decline in revenues and necessary spending to prop up the economy did result in a deficit. However, much of that is structural. Obama’s stimulus spending will end. Bush tax cut spending and unpaid for wars will not.
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Kid A Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:55:18pm |
re: #224 FQ Kafir
Uncertainty about Obamacare is one example.
Good lord, dude, do you work for Michele Bachmann? I’m no fan of Obama’s health care plan because he could’ve done it in a better way, and I think it’s an overreach, but the reason no one is hiring right now is because there is no demand. When your economy is 70% driven by consumer spending and they are not spending, everything will remain - at best - flat. This is not Obama’s fault. It’s been brewing for decades, Obama inherited it. Wake the fuck up.
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jaunte Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:55:26pm |
U.S. Companies Dodge $60 Billion in Taxes With Global Odyssey
U.S. companies amassed at least $1 trillion in foreign profits not taxed in the U.S. as of the end of last year, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. That cumulative total, based on filings by 135 companies, increased 70 percent over three years, from $590 billion in 2006.While some of the offshore earnings reflect sales abroad, much of the growth results from expanding use of transfer pricing, said Martin Sullivan, a tax economist who formerly worked for the Treasury Department and Arthur Andersen LLP.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:55:30pm |
re: #142 Naso Tang
How many times do people like you need to be reminded that Bush was handed a surplus?
I remember Rush Limbaugh pointing out back under Clinton that a surplus simply meant that the government was taking more of our money from us than it needed to operate, which was unfair and immoral…
really.
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Achilles Tang Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:55:41pm |
re: #224 FQ Kafir
Uncertainty about Obamacare is one example.
An example of what? You are talking gibberish. The topic was taxes/jobs.
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Lidane Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:55:44pm |
re: #228 engineer dog
how can people still try to sell this bullshit when it has NEVER HAPPENED IN REALITY?
Because there’s an entire industry of “conservative” pundits, bloggers and howler monkeys on talk radio and Fox News that have convinced them these things are true.
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FQ Kafir Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:55:49pm |
Keynesian remedies are deleterious in the long run. Supply side economics is coming out of hibernation.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:55:54pm |
BTW… I like peas. Always liked peas. Who doesn’t like peas? How’s that a metaphor?
Couldn’t he have used Brussels Sprouts as the analogy?
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EB71 Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:56:27pm |
re: #214 Fozzie Bear
The empire thing isn’t working out so well, especially considering that we aren’t collecting any tribute from our various satellites. It’s breaking us financially.
Hmm, that would be one way to raise revenue that doesn’t involve tax increases. ;-)
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Fozzie Bear Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:56:33pm |
re: #219 FQ Kafir
Because businesses are taxed at the same rate.
You are conflating small privately owned businesses with corporations. This is a textbook neoliberal dodge.
The corporate tax rate isn’t the same as individual taxes. It just isn’t, no matter how many times you say it.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:56:36pm |
re: #233 FQ Kafir
I guess y’all have it pretty much figured out.
Rest assured, what happened last November was no fluke. America wants to reign in the crazy spending.
Yes, but not in an insane way. “Strategic Default” (to use Donald Trump’s term for it) is not a good way forward. Mitch McConnell is right to cut a deal, since that really is the best option. But that does mean conceding some things and that should be, within limits, accepted. Because as you said, Election Matter. And Obama was elected president, which gives him the power to demand and get some of what he wants.
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Kid A Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:57:08pm |
re: #233 FQ Kafir
I guess y’all have it pretty much figured out.
Rest assured, what happened last November was no fluke. America wants to
reignREIN in the crazy spending.
You and Drunken Pam have the same spelling issues.
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Achilles Tang Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:57:14pm |
re: #221 Killgore Trout
Don’t bother. It’s a waste of time. He’s just spewing talking points.
..in random order.
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Fozzie Bear Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:57:17pm |
re: #238 engineer dog
rest assured, what happened in 1992, 1994, 2006 and 2008 was no fluke. america is not a country of ignorant sociopaths
I wouldn’t be so sure about that. Look at what happened in 2010.
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Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:57:39pm |
re: #245 FQ Kafir
Keynesian remedies are deleterious in the long run. Supply side economics is coming out of hibernation.
So is trolling, apparently.
Not worth the time.
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Spocomptonite Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:57:46pm |
re: #245 FQ Kafir
Keynesian remedies are deleterious in the long run. Supply side economics is coming out of hibernation.
I think you are the winner for parading the most blatantly and empirically wrong talking points in a single thread.
Congratulations!
(This means you can stop now)
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Fozzie Bear Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:58:01pm |
re: #245 FQ Kafir
Keynesian remedies are deleterious in the long run. Supply side economics is coming out of hibernation.
OMG you are an idiot.
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chandsolo Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:58:10pm |
Successful troll is successful? FQ is just a taking point dispenser. Nothing you say will change its mind because it doesn’t have one. It has been spoon fed all it needs to know and its builders are pleased.
As an aside, FQ if you really do only make 25K, I pity you, because you truly are your own worse enemy.
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Spocomptonite Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:58:19pm |
re: #246 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
BTW… I like peas. Always liked peas. Who doesn’t like peas? How’s that a metaphor?
Couldn’t he have used Brussels Sprouts as the analogy?
I like brussel sprouts!
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brownbagj Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:58:22pm |
In my opinion, taxes that are too low cause a problem and taxes that are too high cause a problem.
We are talking single digit percentage points here - surely to G_d or the FSM there is a way to compromise.
Ultimately, both parties have shown a propensity to spend. IF there are any increases in revenue, I would like it applied to debt only, not new programs or increased spending on current programs.
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engineer cat Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:58:34pm |
re: #211 Kid A
That’s utter rubbish. More demand = more hiring.
yes, exactly
besides the fact that republicans routinely seek to confuse personal taxes with business taxes, businesses would never see any reason to hire more people just because they got a tax break
the first responsibility of the people running a corporation - by law! - is to maximize profit
they hire people, reluctantly, if they think that’s what they have to do to make more money
it’s sad that these self appointed economic experts in the teabag faction are so ignorant of basic business practice
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Kid A Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:58:48pm |
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Lidane Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:58:52pm |
re: #245 FQ Kafir
Here’s a book for you. It might help:
[Link: www.amazon.com…]
Now let the adults talk. You’re not contributing anything but talking points.
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ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:59:00pm |
re: #254 Obdicut
Someone ban the “FQ Kafir” fucker. He is driving up a wall with rage and everything else.
His lack of compassion astounds me.
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Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 12:59:29pm |
re: #245 FQ Kafir
Keynesian remedies are deleterious in the long run. Supply side economics is coming out of hibernation.
Supply side? You mean like the “supply side” banks that would have gone belly up had it not been for TARP? Or do you mean the America automobile industry (who still build ugly crappy cars) which would have gone belly up had it not been for the Feds? Or the oil companies that rely on tax breaks, the BLM and Department of Interior giving them head, and the US Navy providing them the finest security in the world? On oil platforms no less.
That “supply side”?
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:00:16pm |
re: #246 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Couldn’t he have used Brussels Sprouts as the analogy?
Dude, you gotta roast them. Sprouts, carrots and taters. Salt, pepper toss with olive oil and balsamic vinegar.
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brownbagj Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:00:38pm |
re: #263 ProLifeLiberal
Just ignore him. No need rage on a message board. Don’t let him/her get to you.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:00:49pm |
re: #200 FQ Kafir
More than half of Europe is implementing austerity programs due to profligate spending. It truly is time to “eat our peas,” before we turn into Greece.
We have no money. Raising taxes depresses the job market.
Lower or stable taxes=more hiring, the opposite is also true.
We are Greece, in fact, our per capta debt is higher than Greece, they just don’t have the option of redlating their currency or going father in debt because of restriction placed on them by the EU.
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FQ Kafir Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:00:50pm |
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engineer cat Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:00:58pm |
re: #245 FQ Kafir
Keynesian remedies are deleterious in the long run. Supply side economics is coming out of hibernation.
supply side economics is, obviously, nothing more than a form of keynesianism
try reading up on it so that you can learn why your statement is unintelligible
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Kid A Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:01:33pm |
re: #269 FQ Kafir
Hair of the dog = Keynes
Eat your peas = supply side
What in God’s name does that mean??!! Good grief…
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:01:55pm |
re: #209 000G
Not that I think a clarification is necessary, but since you somehow mistook what I wrote for the most absurd thing possible: I was talking about paranoid conservatives who don’t start out as antisemitic, and may even consider themselves philosemitic. But since there are no clear rules once paranoia sets in, it is only natural (although not necessary) for them to latch onto some sort of a Jewish conspiracy theory from alleged historical examples (often false).
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engineer cat Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:02:02pm |
re: #269 FQ Kafir
Hair of the dog = Keynes
Eat your peas = supply side
once more, get on the intertubes and learn something instead of showing what a propoganda victim you are
sorry to be harsh, but get with it please
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Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:02:17pm |
re: #270 engineer dog
Seriously. Words have meanings. Knowing them is useful when talking.
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blueraven Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:02:52pm |
re: #263 ProLifeLiberal
Someone ban the “FQ Kafir” fucker. He is driving up a wall with rage and everything else.
His lack of compassion astounds me.
Its not his lack of compassion, that is a given. It is his lack of any facts in evidence.
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ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:03:53pm |
re: #267 brownbagj
I know. My circumstances make it hard. He is tryinig to make life miserable for people with disabilities like me.
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Kid A Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:04:13pm |
re: #269 FQ Kafir
Hair of the dog = Keynes
Eat your peas = supply side
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RadicalModerate Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:04:15pm |
re: #245 FQ Kafir
Keynesian remedies are deleterious in the long run. Supply side economics is coming out of hibernation.
Yeah, some of us are old enough to remember the credit-card economy of the 1980s - where the national debt TRIPLED under Saint Reagan’s watch. And nearly crashed in 1989 - with a serious recession that lasted until 1993. But hey, let’s not let facts get in the way of political grandstanding.
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Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:04:18pm |
re: #269 FQ Kafir
Hair of the dog = Keynes
Eat your peas = supply side
Let’s see Boeing survive without Keynes economics. The truth of the matter is that it’s a mixed economy combing Keynes and supply side features. But the largest corporations in this country thrive on Federal government contracts. General Electric being another one after Boeing.
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Achilles Tang Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:04:21pm |
re: #260 engineer dog
yes, exactly
besides the fact that republicans routinely seek to confuse personal taxes with business taxes, businesses would never see any reason to hire more people just because they got a tax break
the first responsibility of the people running a corporation - by law! - is to maximize profit
they hire people, reluctantly, if they think that’s what they have to do to make more money
it’s sad that these self appointed economic experts in the teabag faction are so ignorant of basic business practice
True, although there can be a case for targeted tax breaks (sometimes in the form of subsidies).
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ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:04:33pm |
re: #275 blueraven
That the sort of points I miss when I go into “Argle Fargle Blargle” Mode.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:05:07pm |
re: #279 Gus 802
Let’s see Boeing survive without Keynes economics. The truth of the matter is that it’s a mixed economy combing Keynes and supply side features. But the largest corporations in this country thrive on Federal government contracts. General Electric being another one after Boeing.
And Halliburton, one of the biggest government contractors, has moved its headquarters overseas.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:05:31pm |
I’m watching a documentary on the Ray “Boom Boom” Mancini/Duk Koo Kim fight from 1982 when Kim died of injuries sustained in the fight.
I watched that fight live on TV that day. Best fight I ever saw (or since) and the most tragic thing I’ve ever seen in sports.
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Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:06:08pm |
Supply side with no-bid contract for Haliburton and XE! Coming up next. For-profit supply side wars being fought with private armies. Talk about pigs at the trough. You should see how the corporations feed off the Pentagon feeding station. Yeah. Supply side.
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Kid A Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:06:17pm |
re: #283 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I’m watching a documentary on the Ray “Boom Boom” Mancini/Duk Koo Kim fight from 1982 when Kim died of injuries sustained in the fight.
I watched that fight live on TV that day. Best fight I ever saw (or since) and the most tragic thing I’ve ever seen in sports.
And people think MMA is better. My ass it is.
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Spocomptonite Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:06:19pm |
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justaminute Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:06:22pm |
Maybe the Republicans have gone so extreme that their want to see if the President will use the 14th and they try to impeach him. I think they are that far gone.
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Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:06:55pm |
re: #282 ralphieboy
And Halliburton, one of the biggest government contractors, has moved its headquarters overseas.
Slime bags that they are.
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Kid A Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:06:58pm |
re: #287 justaminute
Maybe the Republicans have gone so extreme that their want to see if the President will use the 14th and they try to impeach him. I think they are that far gone.
Whatever it takes!
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engineer cat Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:07:25pm |
re: #280 Naso Tang
True, although there can be a case for targeted tax breaks (sometimes in the form of subsidies).
yes, if there is a logical connection such as encouraging one behavior over the other by making it cheaper, all other things being more or less equal
but simply insisting that tax cuts on individuals will make jobs occur is nonsensical
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Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:07:42pm |
“Yeah, how much for washing this bag of laundry?”
“That’ll be 100 bucks.”
Supply side magic!
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FQ Kafir Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:07:52pm |
From Wikipedia:
Supply-side economics is a school of macroeconomic thought that argues that economic growth can be most effectively created by lowering barriers for people to produce (supply) goods and services, such as adjusting income tax and capital gains tax rates, and by allowing greater flexibility by reducing regulation. Consumers will then benefit from a greater supply of goods and services at lower prices.
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Kid A Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:08:37pm |
re: #292 FQ Kafir
From Wikipedia:
The fact that you quoted that from Wikipedia speaks volumes about what an ignoramus you are.
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brownbagj Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:09:13pm |
Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer’s brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer’s brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:09:19pm |
re: #217 Sergey Romanov
Uh, did you seriously consider I wrote it about philosemites? *eyeroll*
Why else bold it?
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FQ Kafir Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:09:36pm |
re: #294 Kid A
Charles has quoted from Wikipedia dozens of times. Heh.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:10:04pm |
re: #282 ralphieboy
And Halliburton, one of the biggest government contractors, has moved its headquarters overseas.
Well, fuck. I would have moved out too.
Not like the American people liked them. I’d like to have a hundred bucks for every “HALLIBURTON! CHENEY! WAR FOR OIL!” type of line I heard.
I would’ve moved my company’s operations, shooting the finger over my shoulder as I left.
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Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:10:44pm |
re: #297 FQ Kafir
Why do you think trolling is a good way of getting your point across?
Or is it really just for your own enjoyment that you’re saying easily disproved bullshit about economics?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:11:04pm |
re: #296 000G
Why else bold it?
You must think I’m some sort of a idiot if you seriously thought I meant what you ascribed to me.
*disappointed*
Also, see a clarification above, personally for you.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:11:30pm |
re: #285 Kid A
Was the most stunning display of athleticism I had ever seen.
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Kid A Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:11:41pm |
re: #297 FQ Kafir
Charles has quoted from Wikipedia dozens of times. Heh.
From the page you quoted you left this out:
Current supply-side economics is primarily concerned with economic growth in general, and does not hold that decreasing taxes increases government revenue. It is true that many early proponents argued that the size of the economic growth would be significant enough that the increased government revenue from a faster growing economy would be sufficient to compensate completely for the short-term costs of a tax cut, and that tax cuts could, in fact, cause overall revenue to increase.[2] A 2003 piece on page A4 of the Wall Street Journal commented on a Congressional Budget Office report which concluded that taxes cannot be reduced without losing revenue, and declared the debate “ended”,.[3] Economists remain divided concerning the conditions necessary to effect a revenue increase while cutting rate.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:12:05pm |
re: #296 000G
Hadn’t read #272. Mea culpa.
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Achilles Tang Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:12:12pm |
re: #292 FQ Kafir
From Wikipedia:
Supply-side economics is a school of macroeconomic thought that argues that economic growth can be most effectively created by lowering barriers for people to produce (supply) goods and services, such as adjusting income tax and capital gains tax rates, and by allowing greater flexibility by reducing regulation. Consumers will then benefit from a greater supply of goods and services at lower prices.
And you TPers have taken that to it’s incoherently logical conclusion that no taxes and no regulations (except on unions, infrastructure, rural airports, gays, women and religious symbolism) will result in heaven on earth.
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recusancy Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:12:46pm |
re: #55 RadicalModerate
I’ve always meant to ask, what is the genesis of your username? It sounds a lot like a racist epithet used in S. Africa.
(fyi: “Kaffir”, sometimes spelled as “kafir” is the African equivalent of the N-word used in the United States)
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
I think it’s more a label for “rejection of islam”. There’s quite a few nic’s here with “kafir” in the name. This was an anti islam / jihad watch / whatever you want to call it blog at one point.
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Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:12:53pm |
re: #298 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Well, fuck. I would have moved out too.
Not like the American people liked them. I’d like to have a hundred bucks for every “HALLIBURTON! CHENEY! WAR FOR OIL!” type of line I heard.
I would’ve moved my company’s operations, shooting the finger over my shoulder as I left.
Well. It would have helped if Haliburton wasn’t run by a bunch of pricks assholes and had to take part in competitive bidding. It’s a fricking monopoly that hid behind the mask of “national security”.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:13:08pm |
re: #300 Sergey Romanov
You must think I’m some sort of a idiot if you seriously thought I meant what you ascribed to me.
I know a couple of rather intelligent people who think that philosemitism and antisemitism are two sides of the same coin. I happen to disagree, but I don’t think it’s an outright idiotic position.
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FQ Kafir Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:13:25pm |
re: #294 Kid A
The fact that you quoted that from Wikipedia speaks volumes about what an ignoramus you are.
Too funny!
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Kid A Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:13:36pm |
And there’s this:
Today, supply-side economics is viewed by critics as a form of “trickle-down economics”.[5]
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:14:34pm |
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brownbagj Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:14:52pm |
re: #305 recusancy
I don’t think we were ever anti-Islam. Have been and still are anti-idiotarian which includes jihadists among many others.
Charles forced out the anti-Islam creeps who tried to hop on this train and fights them to this day.
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Achilles Tang Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:15:01pm |
re: #305 recusancy
I think it’s more a label for “rejection of islam”. There’s quite a few nic’s here with “kafir” in the name. This was an anti islam / jihad watch / whatever you want to call it blog at one point.
Like Cracker here in the south. An endearment when used by one side an insult when used by the other, and with the added benefit that it has only one spelling (inside joke).
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Kid A Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:15:20pm |
re: #312 FQ Kafir
I did… That’s why it’s funny!
You also conveniently left out a lot of these:
This section does not cite any references or sources. Please help improve this section by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed.
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Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:15:43pm |
re: #310 Kid A
Read 302, genius.
I’m fairly sure he’s just trolling, he knows his arguments are weak, he knows his views on the economy are baloney.
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engineer cat Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:15:55pm |
i have a question for republicans:
where do they find the evidence they are not completely alienating the american electorate by their behavior since jan 2011?
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Spocomptonite Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:16:13pm |
re: #315 Kid A
You also conveniently left out a lot of these:
My favorite part is where two of the biggest proponents have no economic background at all.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:16:30pm |
re: #317 engineer dog
i have a question for republicans:
where do they find the evidence they are not completely alienating the american electorate by their behavior since jan 2011?
Talk radio?
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FQ Kafir Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:16:56pm |
re: #316 Obdicut
Yet who are the ones doing the name-calling? Real logic ya got there. Hope it works for ya.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:17:37pm |
re: #306 Gus 802
No business wants to play on a level playing field. A businesses goal is to create an un-level playing field.
They play the game magnificently.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:17:54pm |
re: #307 000G
Even on such an assumption it would not follow that progression from philosemitism to antisemitism is natural. Only a braindead would make such an argument. OK, let’s forget about it.
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Kid A Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:18:27pm |
re: #320 FQ Kafir
Yet who are the ones doing the name-calling? Real logic ya got there. Hope it works for ya.
Calling you a troll is not name-calling. It’s a statement of fact, unlike your contributions to this thread.
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Obdicut Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:18:55pm |
re: #320 FQ Kafir
Yet who are the ones doing the name-calling? Real logic ya got there. Hope it works for ya.
I approached you with quite a few logical arguments— that the Bush tax cuts did not produce greater employment, that, in the current moment, the states spending least are recovering least well, and that we climbed out of the Great Depression by government spending.
You choose not to engage with those, and instead repeat obviously flawed talking points that are shot down within seconds.
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RadicalModerate Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:19:25pm |
re: #305 recusancy
I think it’s more a label for “rejection of islam”. There’s quite a few nic’s here with “kafir” in the name. This was an anti islam / jihad watch / whatever you want to call it blog at one point.
That may be so, but if that were the case, the term “Kufr” would be the more applicable term.
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FQ Kafir Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:19:31pm |
Seems like all of the economic wunderkinds here know all of the answers.
Enjoy your illusion.
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b_sharp Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:19:40pm |
re: #11 Obdicut
What on earth does that have to do with Orwell?
Raising taxes increases revenue. Having them included would be part of a balanced approach.
Orwellian language is language that describes something in a way so as to reverse its true nature. Can you please explain how those phrases do that?
And you know Orwell was a socialist, right?
Mentioning Orwell makes your argument look all sophisticated and deep.
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Achilles Tang Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:19:43pm |
re: #313 brownbagj
I don’t think we were ever anti-Islam. Have been and still are anti-idiotarian which includes jihadists among many others.
Charles forced out the anti-Islam creeps who tried to hop on this train and fights them to this day.
We were highly critical of Islam, that is a fact. However it was the trend towards a racist perspective that was stopped.
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brownbagj Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:20:45pm |
re: #320 FQ Kafir
Perhaps, if your intent is to try to change minds, might I suggest a different strategy?
The current one is not working. As a speaker and manager, if I try a tactic and it does not work across an entire audience, I change my tactics to achieve my goal.
I guess the question is - what is your goal on this topic?
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engineer cat Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:21:25pm |
re: #292 FQ Kafir
From Wikipedia:
supply side economics is the keynsian theory that government making more cash available to consumers will stimulate the economy, except that it targets richer taxpayers rather than middle class and poor taxpayers
Supply-side economics is a school of macroeconomic thought that argues that economic growth can be most effectively created by lowering barriers for people to produce (supply) goods and services, such as adjusting income tax and capital gains tax rates, and by allowing greater flexibility by reducing regulation. Consumers will then benefit from a greater supply of goods and services at lower prices.
aside from the fact that the expected outcome never occurred, this sentence shows the incoherence of this “definition”:
“economic growth can be most effectively created by lowering barriers for people to produce (supply) goods and services, such as adjusting income tax and capital gains tax rates”
so lowering tax rates on rich individuals is going to make materials and labor cheaper? really?
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ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:21:37pm |
re: #320 FQ Kafir
But he’s a great deal nicer to idiot like you than I am.
Go take a junior college course, and learn why these theories of yours are wrong. Assuming you got the intelligence to.
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Kid A Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:22:43pm |
re: #326 FQ Kafir
Seems like all of the economic wunderkinds here know all of the answers.
Enjoy your illusion.
Speaking of illusions:
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recusancy Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:22:54pm |
re: #313 brownbagj
I don’t think we were ever anti-Islam. Have been and still are anti-idiotarian which includes jihadists among many others.
Charles forced out the anti-Islam creeps who tried to hop on this train and fights them to this day.
It was an anti islam blog for a while. It’s not now. No need to white wash history.
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:23:19pm |
People often stop me on the street and say, “hey frank, you have a really high karma ratio, how can I be more like you?” And you know what? I take the time to tell them, because I’m pretty awesome like that. I say “try not to get into running battles with stupid dumbass trolls, because it’s just not worth it.”
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brownbagj Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:23:54pm |
re: #333 recusancy
Not trying to white wash. I guess I didn’t read as much then as I do now. I thought as soon as the anti-Islam factions reared their heads that the great expulsion took place.
My bad if I am wrong. But no white washing on my part.
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brownbagj Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:26:06pm |
In my opinion, no “theory” on economics is entirely right or wrong. There are pieces of each that are applicable and the trick is not to be beholden to an ideology but facts as they present themselves.
Economics is as much art as science, if not more. People and shifting attitudes, morals and needs are involved.
Both sides need to be flexible.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:27:19pm |
re: #333 recusancy
I’m not sure about that.
Once I quoted Ann Coulter (the REALLY bad thing she said) during a time that someone may have called us “anti-Muslim”. Charles deleted the comment in about two minutes.
LGF is Charles, Charles is not anti-Muslim.
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ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:27:29pm |
re: #334 goddamnedfrank
I’m gonna leave for a bit to decompress.
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Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:27:37pm |
TPM Talking Points Memo
RT @samsteinhp: breaking: Dem leaders are all in pelosi’s office, i’m told. and everyone has signed off on deal. waiting on Boehner.
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Lidane Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:29:53pm |
re: #338 brownbagj
Both sides need to be flexible.
Flexibility would be a nice luxury if we weren’t facing imminent economic catastrophe due to the rigid ideological demands of the teabagger assholes.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:31:24pm |
re: #339 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
LGF was anti-Muslim for a period, and not simply anti-Jihad. It was on board with Pam, Spencer, Fjordman and often featured them - until Charles saw where it all leads and kicked them all out, gradually, for which he has earned thanks from all the normal people, and hatred from all the nuts.
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Kid A Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:32:06pm |
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:34:31pm |
I showed up here to have a good argument with the anti-Muslim advocates, but I do not miss them…
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engineer cat Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:35:39pm |
re: #326 FQ Kafir
Seems like all of the economic wunderkinds here know all of the answers.
Enjoy your illusion.
economy under clinton
economy under bush
QED
[x]
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:36:46pm |
I came here for an argument!
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recusancy Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:37:49pm |
re: #326 FQ Kafir
Seems like all of the economic wunderkinds here know all of the answers.
Enjoy your illusion.
I didn’t know economists made less than 25k/year these days. Times are tough.
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laZardo Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:37:54pm |
So I come back from lunch and miss everything.
I:
/aunt and I found an old printer that we set up, but it specifically needs yellow ink. o_O
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jaunte Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:38:01pm |
Syria: 100 die in crackdown as Assad sends in his tanks
Activists describe massacre in central city of Hama after armoured units break through barricades to crush protests
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:38:01pm |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:38:34pm |
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brownbagj Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:38:45pm |
re: #348 engineer dog
I agree with you mostly, but I do not think it is that simple as just comparing presidents.
So many factors go into a successful economy, that any person/persons taking credit do so due to vanity.
Each previous president positively and negatively affects the next president after.
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Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:39:07pm |
re: #344 chubby vegan
Gosh. How long have I been here?
So. Do you still think President Obama is an “Arab American”?
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:39:14pm |
Sorry, this is getting hit on the head with hackneyed supply-side talking points!
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recusancy Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:39:37pm |
re: #356 Gus 802
So. Do you still think President Obama is an “Arab American”?
And even if he was. Would it matter?
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Achilles Tang Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:40:22pm |
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brownbagj Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:40:23pm |
re: #356 Gus 802
Dude, his “real” birth certificate says sekrit mooslim plant to take over US.
C’mon.
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Lidane Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:40:25pm |
re: #349 ralphieboy
I came here for an argument!
[Video]
Hey look — it’s a documentary film about the debt limit negotiations.
///
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engineer cat Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:41:48pm |
re: #355 brownbagj
I agree with you mostly, but I do not think it is that simple as just comparing presidents.
So many factors go into a successful economy, that any person/persons taking credit do so due to vanity.
Each previous president positively and negatively affects the next president after.
i’m sure it’s very complex and imponderable, but at the very least the 90s and the aughts prove that the theory “taxes up, economy down; taxes down, economy up” is incorrect
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brownbagj Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:42:03pm |
Later all. Try to not hate on the TPrs too much.
It ain’t often that the teenagers get the keys to the car.
/
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Achilles Tang Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:42:16pm |
re: #361 Lidane
Hey look — it’s a documentary film about the debt limit negotiations.
///
Any bets on whether script writers are playing with the idea?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:43:00pm |
re: #224 FQ Kafir
Uncertainty about Obamacare is one example.
oh man, my nutbag talking points arrived when I was asleep!
Thanks UPS! What can Brown do for me, indeed!
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Achilles Tang Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:43:20pm |
re: #364 brownbagj
Later all. Try to not hate on the TPrs too much.
It ain’t often that the teenagers get the keys to the car.
/
They took the neighbor’s car.
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laZardo Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:43:24pm |
re: #364 brownbagj
Later all. Try to not hate on the TPrs too much.
It ain’t often that the teenagers get the keys to the car.
/
At least the teenagers learn, the sooner the better. The elderly on the other hand…
/
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:43:25pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:44:11pm |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:44:54pm |
re: #370 WindUpBird
Isn’t that what that senile old woman said to mcCain?
“he’s uh…he’s an arab.”
“No, Ma’am, he is not an Arab, he is a decent man!” *facepalm*
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chubby vegan Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:45:02pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:45:17pm |
re: #371 Sergey Romanov
“No, Ma’am, he is not an Arab, he is a decent man!” *facepalm*
The comedy writes itself, doesn’t it? :D
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recusancy Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:46:04pm |
re: #362 Gus 802
I know but I feel like when we defend him against that falsehood we’re perpetuating the belief that if he was an Arab it would be bad somehow.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:46:09pm |
re: #373 WindUpBird
The comedy writes itself, doesn’t it? :D
Eh, if it was only a comedy. He didn’t even apologize for this gaffe, did he?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:46:55pm |
re: #370 WindUpBird
Isn’t that what that senile old woman said to mcCain?
“he’s uh…he’s an arab.”
SNL had some great skits with the McCain lady.
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recusancy Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:46:59pm |
re: #371 Sergey Romanov
“No, Ma’am, he is not an Arab, he is a decent man!” *facepalm*
Ya, that’s exactly my point. As if the two are mutually exclusive.
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Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:47:57pm |
re: #374 recusancy
I know but I feel like when we defend him against that falsehood we’re perpetuating the belief that if he was an Arab it would be bad somehow.
Sure. But calling Obama an “Arab American” was also a feeble attempt to smear him circa 2008. It was playing into irrational American fears which exist to this day.
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recusancy Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:47:59pm |
re: #374 recusancy
I know but I feel like when we defend him against that falsehood we’re perpetuating the belief that if he was an Arab it would be bad somehow.
Although, I know a few here who believe it would be bad.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:48:31pm |
Down the mem’ry lane:
[Link: mediamatters.org…]
LIMBAUGH: These polls on how one-third of blue-collar white Democrats won’t vote for Obama because he’s black, and — but he’s not black. Do you know he has not one shred of African-American blood? He doesn’t have any African — that’s why when they asked whether he was authentic, whether he’s down for the struggle. He’s Arab. You know, he’s from Africa. He’s from Arab parts of Africa. He’s not — his father was — he’s not African-American. The last thing that he is is African-American. I guess that’s splitting hairs, I don’t — it’s just all these little things, everything seems upside-down today in this country.
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Kid A Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:48:55pm |
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celticdragon Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:49:13pm |
re: #114 Sergey Romanov
I know it’s like beating the dead horse and all that, but I can’t get over it. The West’s Darkest Hour doubles down:
I just looked at his website. *spit*
Evil. Utter, concentrated evil. Reading his screeds is like a glimpse into the very nature of hell and the complete abandonment of civilization in favor of raw hate.
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Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:49:25pm |
re: #381 Sergey Romanov
Down the mem’ry lane:
[Link: mediamatters.org…]
Boy the way Glenn Miller played…
Everybody pulled their weight…
//
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:50:33pm |
re: #384 celticdragon
I just looked at his website. *spit*
Evil. Utter, concentrated evil. Reading his screeds is like a glimpse into the very nature of hell and the complete abandonment of civilization in favor of raw hate.
Honey GoV don’t care.
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Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:51:45pm |
re: #384 celticdragon
I just looked at his website. *spit*
Evil. Utter, concentrated evil. Reading his screeds is like a glimpse into the very nature of hell and the complete abandonment of civilization in favor of raw hate.
LOL And still linked over at that white supremacist website, Gates of Vienna.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:52:11pm |
re: #356 Gus 802
So. Do you still think President Obama is an “Arab American”?
Oh, how many times I said that. Ab-so-lute-ly not.
I look back and shudder.
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Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:52:43pm |
re: #385 Gus 802
Boy the way Glenn Miller played…
Everybody pulled their weight…//
“Those Were the Day”
All in the Family
Boy the way Glen Miller played
Songs that made the hit parade.
Guys like us we had it made,
Those were the days.
And you knew who you were then,
Girls were girls and men were men,
Mister we could use a man
Like Herbert Hoover again.
Didn’t need no welfare state,
Everybody pulled his weight.
Gee our old LaSalle ran great.
Those were the days.
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Kronocide Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:53:34pm |
re: #221 Killgore Trout
Don’t bother. It’s a waste of time. He’s just spewing talking points.
WHAAAK. TALKING POINT PARROT SEZ OBAMA SUKS WHAAAK.
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Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:54:19pm |
re: #388 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, how many times I said that. Ab-so-lute-ly not.
I look back and shudder.
That wasn’t you was it? I mean. Uh. “Chubby Vegan” guy is no longer logged in and…
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Kronocide Sun, Jul 31, 2011 1:57:47pm |
re: #31 FQ Kafir
It’s not that it’s untrue, it’s that you need to change the term to make it more palatable.
Kinda like Global Warming became “Climate Change.”
It’s called climate change now because of the morons who can’t understand how you can get more snow from a warming world, or, to screw with paranoid jackasses who think it’s some conspiracy to foist some scam on all those smart citizens.
Your canards are so 2007.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sun, Jul 31, 2011 2:00:44pm |
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Gus Sun, Jul 31, 2011 2:23:49pm |
re: #394 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Who? Moi?
OK. Nevermind then. All is forgiven. Have a drink on me. ;)
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b_sharp Sun, Jul 31, 2011 2:45:24pm |
re: #320 FQ Kafir
Yet who are the ones doing the name-calling? Real logic ya got there. Hope it works for ya.
Did you just call Obdi on his logic?
ROTFLMAO.
Please, look up Dunning-Kruger.
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Varek Raith Sun, Jul 31, 2011 4:35:01pm |
re: #269 FQ Kafir
You amuse me. Keep it up you silly jester.
:)
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danarchy Sun, Jul 31, 2011 4:48:03pm |
re: #172 ProLifeLiberal
I am no Tea Party sympathizer, I think tax rates should probably go back to 1999 levels(for everyone).
But comparisons to Norway and Sweden aren’t particularly useful. Norway and Sweden are both low population/rich natural resource countries. In my opinion, their model wouldn’t remotely work for most countries.
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