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1 Kragar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:20:27pm

Surely you can't be serious...

2 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:26:12pm

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Surely you can't be serious...

I am serious. And don't call me Shirley.

3 RadicalModerate  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:33:32pm

Steven Stucker (aka Johnny, the Air Traffic Controller) absolutely ruled in these movies.

"Johnny, what do you make of this?" * hands him a computer printout*
"This? Why, I can make a hat, or a brooch, or a pterodactyl..."
4 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:33:46pm

Sadly, I've been thinking along the same lines.

5 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:37:04pm

re: #3 RadicalModerate

Steven Stucker (aka Johnny, the Air Traffic Controller) absolutely ruled in these movies.

pterodactyl --

I like it!

6 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:41:07pm
7 Kragar  Sun, Jul 31, 2011 11:43:44pm

Best part -

8 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 12:00:55am

glue-sniffing music from the Austin Lounge Lizards

9 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 12:06:56am

One of my favorite songs

10 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 12:12:59am

NIght all!

11 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 12:16:52am

Can fat blue men sing the fat blue whites?

A lovely song by a now-defunct band from Japan:

12 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 12:26:50am

Never gets old...

13 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 12:32:25am

One of the highlights of German humor. in their dubbed version they have the two black guys speaking an impernitrable Bavarian dialect:

But the title of the movie still astounds me

"Die verrückte Reise in einem total unglaublichen Flugzeug"

(The Crazy Journey in a totally Incredible Airplane)

I guess they had to add the wild-and-crazy disclaimer so that theater goers would not expect a serious philosphical treatment of mankind's ability to cope with boarding delays, lost baggae and jet lag...

14 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 12:56:57am

re: #13 ralphieboy

One of the highlights of German humor. in their dubbed version they have the two black guys speaking an impernitrable Bavarian dialect

15 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:02:51am

We are sinking...

16 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:20:42am

Some kitsch...

17 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:34:38am

re: #16 Sergey Romanov

That is just *so* 80's, I gotta get out my hair gel...

18 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:40:28am
How big of an asshole do you have to be to get John Denver to fight against you? GEEZ!
-Youtube commenter on John Denver at the PMRC hearings.


Lol.

19 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:46:30am

But you haven't seen kitsch until you've seen the Russian punk group NOM.

Here's there extremely un-PC (but light-hearted) song "7%":

20 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:49:34am

re: #19 Sergey Romanov

But you haven't seen kitsch until you've seen the Russian punk group NOM.

Here's there extremely un-PC (but light-hearted) song "7%":

[Video]

Huh, I see SB is in this vid.
/

21 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:56:10am

re: #20 Varek Raith

And I see you in this clip!

22 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:56:49am

re: #19 Sergey Romanov

This was a time in Russia where most anything was new revolutionary.

In Soviet Russia, avant gardes you!

23 Summer Seale  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 1:56:56am

Very interesting article on the far-right European political groups and the far-right in Israel.

[Link: www.spiegel.de...]

24 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:00:14am

re: #21 Sergey Romanov

And I see you in this clip!

[Video]

Do I have that cool helmet with horns?!?!?!
Sweet.

25 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:01:49am

re: #24 Varek Raith

Yes! You have cubic ewes and subspecies of orbital flies!

OK, this is the last one, another classic.

26 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:07:43am

re: #25 Sergey Romanov

Yes! You have cubic ewes and subspecies of orbital flies!

OK, this is the last one, another classic.

[Video]

Awesomely odd.
I like.

27 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:25:01am

Morning Honcos.

28 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:45:02am

Forget action movies. My cats stage awesome, dramatic fights every morning. One of them just ran by at full speed, and the other one jumped out of a box and tackled him.

29 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:48:20am

re: #28 Obdicut

Forget action movies. My cats stage awesome, dramatic fights every morning. One of them just ran by at full speed, and the other one jumped out of a box and tackled him.

Can you record them?

30 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:50:18am

re: #29 Sergey Romanov

Can you record them?

Eventually, yes, but I have to wait for my wife to finish getting the apartment in order or she'll be sad.

31 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:52:36am

re: #28 Obdicut

Forget action movies. My cats stage awesome, dramatic fights every morning. One of them just ran by at full speed, and the other one jumped out of a box and tackled him.

KO in the first round!
Image: tumblr_lh7oj7hN8F1qzado8o1_250.gif

32 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:55:32am

re: #29 Sergey Romanov

Can you record them?

don't 4get the kute titelz

33 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:57:20am

re: #27 Cannadian Club Akbar

Morning Honcos.

did you bring coffee?

34 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 2:59:42am

re: #31 Varek Raith

KO in the first round!
Image: tumblr_lh7oj7hN8F1qzado8o1_250.gif

good left jab!

35 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:00:21am

re: #16 Sergey Romanov

Some kitsch...

[Video]

Yeah, there was nobody like Klaus.

Or Nina

36 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:01:56am

Ryan has been under intense scrutiny following a multi-day drinking binge last weekend in Elkhart Lake, where he later admitted to passing out at a bar and getting into a fight.

[Link: www.sheboyganpress.com...]

Found my new job: Mayor.

37 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:03:04am

re: #35 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yeah, there was nobody like Klaus.

[Video]

Ah yeah, Nina!

38 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:03:36am

re: #36 Cannadian Club Akbar

Ryan has been under intense scrutiny following a multi-day drinking binge last weekend in Elkhart Lake, where he later admitted to passing out at a bar and getting into a fight.

[Link: www.sheboyganpress.com...]

Found my new job: Mayor.

the Miesfeld’s Lakeshore Weekend charity fundraiser in the South Pier District, where he joined Police Chief Chris Domagalski and Fire Chief Jeff Hermann as “celebrity” sumo wrestlers.

You better hit every Micky D's between Fla and there to bulk up!

39 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:05:44am

re: #35 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

The best song IMHO:

40 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:05:58am

re: #36 Cannadian Club Akbar

" I would no more remove someone for the disease of alcoholism than I would for the disease of cancer"

I agree, alcoholism is a disease, not grounds for firing.

But the actual drinking is not a disease, and alcoholics who continue drink are behaving like cancer patients who continue to smoke asbestos-fintered cigarettes, and should be given an ultimatum to seek and adhere to therapy or face removal.

41 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:06:02am

re: #36 Cannadian Club Akbar

“Why I would support a move to have him resign has nothing to do with his alcoholism, which he admits is a disease. I would no more remove someone for the disease of alcoholism than I would for the disease of cancer,” said Rindfleisch, who couldn’t be reached Saturday. “It’s not the alcoholism, it’s the embarrassment issue to the city.”

Liar ,,,

A CYA for the inevitable lawsuit to get his job back for "wrongful termination"

42 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:10:00am

re: #33 sattv4u2

did you bring coffee?

Coffee's made. 'Morning, all.

43 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:10:27am

re: #40 ralphieboy

re: #41 sattv4u2

LET'S GO TO THE TAPE!!!!
[Link: freedomeden.blogspot.com...]

44 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:14:24am

re: #42 Decatur Deb

Coffee's made. 'Morning, all.

:)

45 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:16:36am

re: #43 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #41 sattv4u2

LET'S GO TO THE TAPE!!!
[Link: freedomeden.blogspot.com...]

So ,, he hears is sister-in-law has a nice SUV!

46 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:17:04am

re: #43 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #41 sattv4u2

LET'S GO TO THE TAPE!!!
[Link: freedomeden.blogspot.com...]

Wouldn't fire him for being an alcoholic, or even for falling off the wagon. It sounds like I might dump him for being an asshole, though.

47 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:18:30am

re: #46 Decatur Deb

Wouldn't fire him for being an alcoholic, or even for falling off the wagon. It sounds like I might dump him for being an asshole, though.

If we could dump every politician for that, the halls of congress/ city halls would be very quiet!

48 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:18:54am

If they can keep Marion Barry on as mayor of Washington DC after being filmed smoking crack, how can they dump a good old boy for just enjoying a few (dozen) beers?

49 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:19:33am

re: #48 ralphieboy

If they can keep Marion Barry on as mayor of Washington DC after being filmed smoking crack, how can they dump a good old boy for just enjoying a few (dozen) beers?

That bitch set me up!!

50 researchok  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:22:02am

Morning, all

51 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:22:27am

re: #48 ralphieboy

If they can keep Marion Barry on as mayor of Washington DC after being filmed smoking crack, how can they dump a good old boy for just enjoying a few (dozen) beers?

If by "good old boy" you mean southern redneck, I'll just point out that Sheboygan is in Wisconsin

((not that there aren't "good old boys" everywhere,,, just that it's commonly used to describe a southerner))

52 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:22:37am

re: #50 researchok

Morning, all

sez who!

53 researchok  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:25:29am

re: #52 sattv4u2

sez who!

Me

54 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:25:49am

re: #51 sattv4u2

If by "good old boy" you mean southern redneck, I'll just point out that Sheboygan is in Wisconsin

((not that there aren't "good old boys" everywhere,,, just that it's commonly used to describe a southerner))

It's just a matter of translation. In Joiseyan, 'good old boy' is pronounced 'paisan'.

55 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:25:57am

re: #53 researchok

Me

So, no reliable source!

56 researchok  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:26:57am

re: #55 sattv4u2

So, no reliable source!

Clearly

57 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:27:29am

re: #54 Decatur Deb

It's just a matter of translation. In Joiseyan, 'good old boy' is pronounced 'paisan'.

In two of my old neighborhoods also! (East Boston as well as Bostons North End,,, both predominantly Italian when I was growing up)

58 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:27:36am

So, has anyone figured out whose butt got sold down the river last night?

59 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:27:49am

re: #58 Decatur Deb

So, has anyone figured out whose butt got sold down the river last night?

us!

60 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:27:57am

re: #58 Decatur Deb

So, has anyone figured out whose butt got sold down the river last night?

Ours.

61 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:29:10am

re: #58 Decatur Deb

So, has anyone figured out whose butt got sold down the river last night?

on a serious note,,, if the far sides of both parties are mad about it,, AND ,, at the same time, if both parties can (and will) claim victory, it's a good deal

62 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:29:36am

When I went to bed, both sides were wailing like scalded cats. That might be a hopeful sign.

63 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:31:35am
64 researchok  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:31:37am

Helluva week and more to come...

I need a vacation

65 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:32:05am

re: #61 sattv4u2

on a serious note,,, if the far sides of both parties are mad about it,, AND ,, at the same time, if both parties can (and will) claim victory, it's a good deal

They'll both take credit and they'll both point out the bad parts in commercials about the other guy come election time. This is where the PACs come in.

66 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:32:54am

re: #65 Cannadian Club Akbar

They'll both take credit and they'll both point out the bad parts in commercials about the other guy come election time. This is where the PACs come in.

And where I stop watching!

67 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:35:07am

Someone is selling a tall propane tank on Craig's List that won't hold propane. He says it can be converted to a smoker or grill. "Hold mah beer and git me the cuttin' torch, I need to get the top off this sucker".

68 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:35:30am

re: #67 Cannadian Club Akbar

Someone is selling a tall propane tank on Craig's List that won't hold propane. He says it can be converted to a smoker or grill. "Hold mah beer and git me the cuttin' torch, I need to get the top off this sucker".

Hank Hill is disappoint.

69 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:36:18am

re: #67 Cannadian Club Akbar

Someone is selling a tall propane tank on Craig's List that won't hold propane. He says it can be converted to a smoker or grill. "Hold mah beer and git me the cuttin' torch, I need to get the top off this sucker".

"Hank,,,, where did Bill go?"

"Over yonder!!"

70 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:36:57am

re: #67 Cannadian Club Akbar

Someone is selling a tall propane tank on Craig's List that won't hold propane. He says it can be converted to a smoker or grill. "Hold mah beer and git me the cuttin' torch, I need to get the top off this sucker".

What could possibly go wrong?

Also, Good Morning Honcos!

71 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:37:44am

re: #67 Cannadian Club Akbar

Someone is selling a tall propane tank on Craig's List that won't hold propane. He says it can be converted to a smoker or grill. "Hold mah beer and git me the cuttin' torch, I need to get the top off this sucker".

Knew a SGT who welded an empty fuel tank on a deuce--SGT 'Boom Boom' McCloskey.

72 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:38:31am

re: #71 Decatur Deb

Knew a SGT who welded an empty fuel tank on a deuce--the late SGT 'Boom Boom' McCloskey.


ftfy

73 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:39:13am

re: #71 Decatur Deb

Knew a SGT who welded an empty fuel tank on a deuce--SGT 'Boom Boom' McCloskey.

I worked at a place where a diesel tanks needed to be welded. Empty it, wash it out, insert dry ice.

74 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:39:31am

MIL is coming into town today so my wife and I can head down to Williamsburg/Va Beach for a couple days. We are spending the day at Busch Gardens (sans kids!) and then going to a Maroon 5 concert the next night. I wouldn't go into the backyard to see Maroon 5, but my wife loves them so...

75 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:40:52am

re: #73 Cannadian Club Akbar

I worked at a place where a diesel tanks needed to be welded. Empty it, wash it out, insert dry ice.

I have a kegerator (yes I am that cool) and the welding place i would take my CO2 canisters to be refilled had a blown out Harley gas tank someone tried to weld. It was a mess.

76 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:41:01am

re: #74 rwdflynavy

heh,,, I wouldn't KNOW Maroon 5 if they were in my backyard!

GET OFF MY LAWN !!

77 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:41:13am

re: #74 rwdflynavy

I like a few Maroon 5 songs but only because I am a pop radio dork.

78 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:41:18am

re: #39 Sergey Romanov

"Hop...
Straight up to the top."

She has to be one of the best vocal talents in the world.

"Smack Jack" is also fun

79 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:41:50am

re: #73 Cannadian Club Akbar

I worked at a place where a diesel tanks needed to be welded. Empty it, wash it out, insert dry ice.

Yeah--our motor shop had an elaborate SOP for it--someone always gets creative.

80 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:42:02am

re: #77 Cannadian Club Akbar

I like a few Maroon 5 songs but only because I am a pop radio dork.


You didn't need all those other words!!

81 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:43:42am

re: #80 sattv4u2

You didn't need all those other words!!

I am a Dork, and I approve this message.

82 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:43:51am

re: #74 rwdflynavy


They seem to have Chick Appeal.

83 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:45:27am

re: #82 ralphieboy

They seem to have Chick Appeal.

So do I


no,,, wait ,, I'm thinking of someone else,,, nevahmind!!

84 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:46:09am

re: #78 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

SJ is also one of my favorites.

85 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:46:31am

re: #82 ralphieboy

They seem to have Chick Appeal.

re: #83 sattv4u2

So do I

no,,, wait ,, I'm thinking of someone else,,, nevahmind!!

First though went to Jack Chick. I've been on LGF too much.

86 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:47:11am

re: #82 ralphieboy

They seem to have Chick Appeal.

My forty-something wife finds them very appealing. I do not.

87 RogueOne  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:47:16am

re: #77 Cannadian Club Akbar

I like a few Maroon 5 songs but only because I am a pop radio dork.

Recognizing you have a problem is the first step towards recovery.

Morning folks!

88 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:47:18am

re: #61 sattv4u2

on a serious note,,, if the far sides of both parties are mad about it,, AND ,, at the same time, if both parties can (and will) claim victory, it's a good deal

No, it's a terrible deal, caused by the unprecedented blackmailing behavior of the GOP. We're in a recession. We need to increase spending, not cut spending. What the GOP wants is absolute economic idiocy, especially in wanting aid to the poor cut.

Luckily, I think the way the bill is structured is going to prevent it from doing most harm, and the Bush tax cut expiration lines up nicely with the next deficit discussion.

89 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:47:22am

re: #84 Sergey Romanov

SJ is also one of my favorites.

Jesuits are OK, but I've always liked the Franciscans more.

90 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:47:32am

re: #86 rwdflynavy

My forty-something wife finds them very appealing. I do not.

Clearly your fault.
Clearly.
/

91 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:49:06am

re: #77 Cannadian Club Akbar

I like a few Maroon 5 songs but only because I am a pop radio dork.

I have no idea who Maroon 5 is.

But I do know this maroon:

92 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:50:07am

re: #86 rwdflynavy

My forty-something wife finds them very appealing. I do not.


They are the kind of guys fortysomethings wish they had had as boyfriends back when they were twentysomethings, I guess.

Reminds me of the Onion article: "Japanese Teenager Attracted to Balding Middle-Aged Men"

93 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:50:09am

re: #91 Obdicut

I have no idea who Maroon 5 is.

But I do know this maroon:

[Video]

94 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:50:32am

re: #91 Obdicut

95 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:50:46am

re: #74 rwdflynavy

MIL is coming into town today so my wife and I can head down to Williamsburg/Va Beach for a couple days. We are spending the day at Busch Gardens (sans kids!) and then going to a Maroon 5 concert the next night. I wouldn't go into the backyard to see Maroon 5, but my wife loves them so...

Always like to hit the Busch Gardens in Tampa. Something cool about a place that gives you beer and negative Gs.

96 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:51:10am

re: #92 ralphieboy

They are the kind of guys fortysomethings wish they had had as boyfriends back when they were twentysomethings, I guess.

Reminds me of the Onion article: "Japanese Teenager Attracted to Balding Middle-Aged Men"

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

97 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:51:35am

re: #94 Cannadian Club Akbar

Is it okay to immediately hate the guy in the video? As soon as I looked in the camera, I wanted to push him into the pool.

98 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:51:42am

re: #95 Decatur Deb

Always like to hit the Busch Gardens in Tampa. Something cool about a place that gives you beer and negative Gs.

I've experienced beer leading to negative g's for the contents of my stomach...

99 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:52:26am

re: #97 Obdicut

Is it okay to immediately hate the guy in the video? As soon as I looked in the camera, I wanted to push him into the pool.

Sorry, we were looking for "Hold his head under water".

100 RogueOne  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:53:13am

re: #71 Decatur Deb

Knew a SGT who welded an empty fuel tank on a deuce--SGT 'Boom Boom' McCloskey.

The local airport wanted me to weld on one of their fuel trucks. When I mentioned getting it empty and washing it out first he said it's not really flammable but he did want to drive it out to the end of the runway and fix it there. I thought if it's not flammable, then why worry about driving it all the way out to the end of the runway? I passed on it.

101 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:53:33am

re: #99 Cannadian Club Akbar

Sorry, we were looking for "Hold his head under water".

until he stops making bubbles

102 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:53:41am

re: #97 Obdicut

Is it okay to immediately hate the guy in the video? As soon as I looked in the camera, I wanted to push him into the pool.

What you are feeling is a completely normal reaction.
//

103 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:54:54am

re: #100 RogueOne

The local airport wanted me to weld on one of their fuel trucks. When I mentioned getting it empty and washing it out first he said it's not really flammable but he did want to drive it out to the end of the runway and fix it there. I thought if it's not flammable, then why worry about driving it all the way out to the end of the runway? I passed on it.

Dr. Nick; 'Inflammable means flammable?!'

104 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:55:09am

re: #74 rwdflynavy

going to a Maroon 5 concert the next night. I wouldn't go into the backyard to see Maroon 5, but my wife loves them so...

Smuggle in a transistor radio (how old am I!!) and listen to a ball game!!

105 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:55:12am

re: #101 ralphieboy

until he stops making bubbles

That will happen faster with a couple punches to the rib cage. Or just punch him in the nads.

106 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:55:20am

re: #100 RogueOne

The local airport wanted me to weld on one of their fuel trucks. When I mentioned getting it empty and washing it out first he said it's not really flammable but he did want to drive it out to the end of the runway and fix it there. I thought if it's not flammable, then why worry about driving it all the way out to the end of the runway? I passed on it.

Jet fuel is technically 'combustible' and your airport guy is technically 'an idiot'.

107 Targetpractice  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:55:40am

re: #74 rwdflynavy

MIL is coming into town today so my wife and I can head down to Williamsburg/Va Beach for a couple days. We are spending the day at Busch Gardens (sans kids!) and then going to a Maroon 5 concert the next night. I wouldn't go into the backyard to see Maroon 5, but my wife loves them so...

Oh, great, more tourists. *muttergrumblemutter*

/

108 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:57:33am

re: #107 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Oh, great, more tourists. *muttergrumblemutter*

/

as long as they eventually leave, but not before leaving cash!!!

109 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:57:48am

re: #107 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Oh, great, more tourists. *muttergrumblemutter*

/

I grew up in Va Beach and have been to BG more times than I can count. I am not a tourist there! I am wearing my black socks and sandals though...

110 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:58:18am

re: #109 rwdflynavy

I grew up in Va Beach and have been to BG more times than I can count. I am not a tourist there! I am wearing my black socks and sandals though...

You may also want to wear pants or shorts

Just sayin!

111 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:58:20am

re: #106 Decatur Deb

Jet fuel is technically 'combustible' and your airport guy is technically 'an idiot'.

It does have a fairly high flash point...
//

112 Targetpractice  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:59:08am

re: #108 sattv4u2

as long as they eventually leave, but not before leaving cash!!!

Yankee go home, but leave your money!

/

113 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:59:08am

re: #109 rwdflynavy

I grew up in Va Beach and have been to BG more times than I can count. I am not a tourist there! I am wearing my black socks and sandals though...

I'll wave as you pass Manassas.

114 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 3:59:30am

Be back later lizards

115 RogueOne  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:00:54am

re: #114 rwdflynavy

Be back later lizards

Root your X. It was a piece of cake yesterday and it's running 2x as fast.

116 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:00:58am

re: #111 rwdflynavy

It does have a fairly high flash point...
//

So it is safe to weld if you keep your torch tip below 100f.

117 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:01:05am

re: #112 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yankee go home, but leave your money!

/

Here in Atlanta, there are Yankees (visitors) and DAMN Yankees (Northerners that relocated and stayed here, like me)

118 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:01:14am

re: #103 Varek Raith

Dr. Nick; 'Inflammable means flammable?!'

inflammable means capable of spontaneously combusting, flammable means that it will burn if ignited.

English is (in)famous for these sorts of inconsistencies.

119 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:02:00am

re: #109 rwdflynavy

I grew up in Va Beach and have been to BG more times than I can count. I am not a tourist there! I am wearing my black socks and sandals though...

Be sure to take an expensive camera--sacrifice to the rollercoaster gods.

120 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:02:54am

re: #109 rwdflynavy

I grew up in Va Beach and have been to BG more times than I can count. I am not a tourist there! I am wearing my black socks and sandals though...


don't wear white socks and sandals or you will be taken for a German tourist...

121 Targetpractice  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:03:28am

re: #117 sattv4u2

Here in Atlanta, there are Yankees (visitors) and DAMN Yankees (Northerners that relocated and stayed here, like me)

Not sure where I fit in. I'm a Navy brat, born in Washington state, but my mother's family is all from Kentucky, and I've lived the majority of my life below the Mason-Dixon line.

122 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:03:28am

re: #120 ralphieboy

don't wear white socks and sandals or you will be taken for a German tourist...

Be wary of the French Canadians!
/

123 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:04:05am

re: #118 ralphieboy

inflammable means capable of spontaneously combusting, flammable means that it will burn if ignited.

English is (in)famous for these sorts of inconsistencies.

And English English sometimes uses 'imflammable'.

124 Targetpractice  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:04:31am

re: #122 Varek Raith

Be wary of the French Canadians!
/

Are you kidding? I've run into so many Quebecois in recent weeks, I'm almost positive that they're advance scouts for the eventual invasion force. They're especially thick towards the beachfront.

125 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:04:35am

re: #123 Decatur Deb

And English English sometimes uses 'imflammable'.

No doubt the cause of a great many "oh shits".

126 RogueOne  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:05:19am

re: #121 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Not sure where I fit in. I'm a Navy brat, born in Washington state, but my mother's family is all from Kentucky, and I've lived the majority of my life below the Mason-Dixon line.

Having KY in your blood is ok, it's living there that's the problem.

127 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:05:24am

re: #124 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I've run into so many Quebecois

with your car?

128 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:05:59am

re: #124 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Are you kidding? I've run into so many Quebecois in recent weeks, I'm almost positive that they're advance scouts for the eventual invasion force. They're especially thick towards the beachfront.

French invasion. (I got nothing to say but I figure I'll never be able to link those 2 words together///)

129 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:05:59am

re: #126 RogueOne

Having KY in your blood is ok, it's living there that's the problem.

If you have KY in your blood, you lubed wrong!

130 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:06:18am

re: #121 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Not sure where I fit in. I'm a Navy brat, born in Washington state, but my mother's family is all from Kentucky, and I've lived the majority of my life below the Mason-Dixon line.

Always think of myself as a "Union Occupier".

131 Targetpractice  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:09:25am

re: #126 RogueOne

Having KY in your blood is ok, it's living there that's the problem.

Tell me about it. My immediate family's alright, but some of my more distant relations...the words "banjo music" come to mind.

132 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:10:28am

re: #131 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Tell me about it. My immediate family's alright, but some of my more distant relations...the words "banjo music" come to mind.

Family branch.

133 Targetpractice  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:11:16am

re: #132 Cannadian Club Akbar

Family branch.

Some family trees are rather linear in the back woods, if you catch my meaning.

134 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:11:22am

re: #131 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Tell me about it. My immediate family's alright, but some of my more distant relations...the words "banjo music" come to mind.

Wife's family is from KY, but they've been migrating north from Alabama and TN over the generations. Creeping Baptist Sharia.

135 Targetpractice  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:13:56am

re: #127 sattv4u2

I've run into so many Quebecois

with your car?

No, I ain't got the money for the body work right now. Maybe next year.

/

136 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:15:06am

re: #135 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

No, I ain't got the money for the body work right now. Maybe next year.

/

Could always put a Hertz on them...

137 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:17:00am

re: #123 Decatur Deb

And English English sometimes uses 'imflammable'.


I'm flammable!

138 Targetpractice  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:17:41am

re: #136 Decatur Deb

Could always put a Hertz on them...

Hmm, true. Little more for the additional insurance, but hey, tourist "season" only comes around once a year.

139 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:17:53am

re: #137 ralphieboy

I'm flammable!

Funny, you don't look Flemish.

140 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:18:58am

re: #139 Decatur Deb

Funny, you don't look Flemish.

Potentially Flemish, just feed me enough mussles, fried potatoes and Beligian beer...

141 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:19:07am

re: #139 Decatur Deb

Funny, you don't look Flemish.

he took some decongestant

142 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:21:31am

re: #140 ralphieboy

Potentially Flemish, just feed me enough mussles, fried potatoes and Beligian beer...

My truck is Belgian Army surplus, with data plates in Flemish and Walloon. The girl at the DMV registration copied it all down very carefully.

143 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:22:52am

Alrighty. Got shit to do. And I don't want to. But if I don't start now, it won't get done. Ugg. bbl.

144 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:24:34am

re: #143 Cannadian Club Akbar

Alrighty. Got shit to do. And I don't want to. But if I don't start now, it won't get done. Ugg. bbl.

good luck

145 RogueOne  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:24:56am

re: #142 Decatur Deb

My truck is Belgian Army surplus, with data plates in Flemish and Walloon. The girl at the DMV registration copied it all down very carefully.

You need to post pics

146 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:30:20am

re: #145 RogueOne

You need to post pics

Once saw its exact twin on the web. Will looks some more. Here's Section V of my (English) user's manual:

Section V
Destruction of Equipment to Prevent Enemy Use
GENERAL
Destruction

401. Destruction of the equipment, when subject to capture or abandonment in the combat zone, will be undertaken by the using arm.
Degree of damage

402.

1. Methods of destruction should achieve such damage to equipment and essential spare parts that it will not be possible to restore the equipment to a usable condition in the combat zone either by repair or by cannibalization.
2. Classified equipment must be destroyed in such degree as to prevent, wherever possible, duplication by, or revealing means of operation or function to the enemy.
3. Any classified documents, notes, instructions or other written material pertaining to function, operation, maintenance or employment, including drawing or parts lists, must be destroyed in a manner to render them useless to the enemy.

Priorities for destruction

403.

1. Priority must be given to the destruction of classified equipment and associated documents.
2. When lack of time and/or stores prevents complete destruction of equipment, priority is to be given to the destruction of essential parts, and the same parts are to be destroyed on all like equipment.
3. A guide to priorities for destruction of the vehicle and radio equipment is shown overleaf.

Equipment Priority Parts
Vehicle 1 Carburettor and distributor
2 Engine block and cooling system
3 Tyres and suspensions
4 Hydraulic system
5 Axle and suspensions
6 Body
Radio (when fitted) 1 Transmitter
2 Receiver
3 Remote control units
4 Power supply
5 Antennae
6 Tuning heads
Equipment installed in vehicles

404. Equipment installed in vehicles shouldbe destroyed in accordance with the priorities for the equipment itself, taking into account the relative importance of the installed equipment and the vehicle itself.

147 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:44:30am

re: #146 Decatur Deb

I guess I'd be helpful. I know how to break a antennae. Now, is there a guy in the truck who knows how to do rest of the stuff?

148 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:45:58am

re: #147 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I guess I'd be helpful. I know how to break a antennae. Now, is there a guy in the truck who knows how to do rest of the stuff?

Where ya been?

149 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:46:31am

re: #147 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I guess I'd be helpful. I know how to break a antennae. Now, is there a guy in the truck who knows how to do rest of the stuff?

I think Mr. C4 knows how.

150 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:47:43am

Guys who ride those trucks are usually good at breaking things. Found a pic--this truck is from the same production batch. (It has New Testament square mirrors fitted, though.)

Image: 1Kopievan_MG_3059-1.jpg

151 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:48:09am

re: #148 sattv4u2

Oh, here and there. Round about. Up the creek.

152 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:49:00am

re: #151 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, here and there. Round about. Up the creek.

bring a paddle?

153 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:50:43am

re: #146 Decatur Deb

These are Beligians, old hands at not abandoning anything useful to the enemy when they retreat...

154 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:51:50am

re: #153 ralphieboy

These are Beligians, old hands at not abandoning anything useful to the enemy when they retreat...

and makers of tasty waffles!

155 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:52:35am

re: #153 ralphieboy

These are Beligians, old hands at not abandoning anything useful to the enemy when they retreat...

Yeah. We stateside Americans are way out of practice for our 'scorched earth' drills.

156 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:53:57am

re: #155 Decatur Deb

Yeah. We stateside Americans are way out of practice for our 'scorched earth' drills.

I did get a little nervous watching the Womens World Cup Soccer matches when the announcer would pronounce "GERMANY ATTACKS!"

157 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:54:17am

"It's all in the reflexes."
-What movie am I watching?

158 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:55:06am

re: #157 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"It's all in the GAG reflexes."
-What movie am I watching?

Deep Throat!?!?!

//

159 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:57:00am

re: #157 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"It's all in the reflexes."
-What movie am I watching?

Big Trouble in Little China.

One of my favorites.

160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:58:34am

re: #158 sattv4u2

heh

re: #159 Obdicut

Yay!

161 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:02:15am

re: #155 Decatur Deb

Yeah. We stateside Americans are way out of practice for our 'scorched earth' drills.


As I recall the Southerners were to lazy to scorch, they let the Yankees do all the work...

162 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:04:33am

re: #161 ralphieboy

As I recall the Southerners were to lazy to scorch, they let the Yankees do all the work...

"Make it so that, if a crow flies through there, he has to carry his own rations."

--Grant to Sheridan

163 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:06:09am

"That'll be the hottest thing to hit Atlanta since Sherman threw that little barbecue party!"

-Line from Billy WIlders "One, Two, Three!"

164 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:08:22am

It's hard to pick up a whole new way of looking at things, but I'm beginning to buy into the meme that the political reality of this decade is really the Civil War continued by other means.

165 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:10:41am

re: #164 Decatur Deb


The Civil War was a result of issues left unresolved at the nation's founding and adopting its Constitution, current politics are an attempt at resolving things the Civil War left open.

166 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:12:03am

re: #165 ralphieboy

The Civil War was a result of issues left unresolved at the nation's founding and adopting its Constitution, current politics are an attempt at resolving things the Civil War left open.

Or to return us to Square One.

167 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:14:06am

re: #166 Decatur Deb

Or to return us to Square One.

We're going back to a Saugus Massachusetts Shopping Mall !?!?

[Link: www.simon.com...]

168 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:16:25am

One fellow at pyjamas media was asking the question "Why do black people vote for Democrats?", pointing out tha the Democratic party was always the party of southern racists, while the Republicans were the party of Lincoln, etc.

Even tried to make the point that blacks did better under Reagan than under any other president.

He misses a lot of very obvious points about what sort of voters the GOP appeals to.

169 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:24:50am

re: #168 ralphieboy

One fellow at pyjamas media was asking the question "Why do black people vote for Democrats?", pointing out tha the Democratic party was always the party of southern racists, while the Republicans were the party of Lincoln, etc.

Even tried to make the point that blacks did better under Reagan than under any other president.

He misses a lot of very obvious points about what sort of voters the GOP appeals to.

He also didn't get past Teddy Roosevelt's first term in HS History.

170 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:25:23am

I saw "Cowboys & Aliens" over the weekend. Clancy Brown is in the movie; playing a town's old preacher/doctor.

He was almost unrecognizable because he's 1. gotten so old and 2. the kindly character he played.

171 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:26:22am

re: #170 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I saw "Cowboys & Aliens" over the weekend. Clancy Brown is in the movie; playing a town's old preacher/doctor.

He was almost unrecognizable because he's 1. gotten so old and 2. the kindly character he played.

Premise looked like fun. Did they do it well?

172 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:27:31am

re: #170 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I saw "Cowboys & Aliens" over the weekend. Clancy Brown is in the movie; playing a town's old preacher/doctor.

He was almost unrecognizable because he's 1. gotten so old and 2. the kindly character he played.

He would also be unrecognizable to me because of
3) I don't know who he is!!

173 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:28:03am

re: #168 ralphieboy

One fellow's right. Same guy who wonders if we've "Finally whipped the Kaiser"?

174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:30:24am

re: #172 sattv4u2

Sure you do.

The big mean Guard in "Shawshank". The big mean enemy in "Highlander". The big mean Sergeant in "Starship Troopers".

175 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:31:03am

re: #171 Decatur Deb

Sooo much fun.

176 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:31:18am

re: #174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sure you do.

The big mean Guard in "Shawshank". The big mean enemy in "Highlander". The big mean Sergeant in "Starship Troopers".

Got it

One outta three ain't bad!

177 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:32:40am

re: #175 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sooo much fun.

Cool. Been looking for an excuse to go to our NEW drive-in theatre. Sounds like the right kind of flick.

178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:33:06am

re: #176 sattv4u2

You see Highlander? (please tell me you saw Highlander.)

179 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:33:31am

re: #178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You see Highlander? (please tell me you saw Highlander.)

nopers

180 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:36:44am

re: #179 sattv4u2

Well, you have time to see it. The characters are immortal -ish.

181 RogueOne  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:37:57am

re: #179 sattv4u2

nopers

182 Targetpractice  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:38:50am

Should be interesting to see what happens today. Boehner, Cantor, and McConnell (aka The Three Stooges) have little time available to whip reluctant members of their party into supporting yesterday's "deal." Who knows, the TPers in the House might find enough Democrats equally disgusted with the bill to sink it.

183 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:39:59am

Morning Lizardim. I suppose today should bring the dramatic conclusion to this year's episode of "As the Partisan Politics Turn". I just hope it ends well for the American people as a whole, and not the fat cats in Washington or their highly-paid lobbyists. *spit*

184 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:40:05am

re: #173 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

One fellow's right. Same guy who wonders if we've "Finally whipped the Kaiser"?

He also neglects to address the issue of Southern Democrats, who were often more conservative than Republicans but could and would not identify with the Party of Lincoln in any great numbers until Reagan.

185 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:40:13am

re: #182 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Should be interesting to see what happens today. Boehner, Cantor, and McConnell (aka The Three Stooges) have little time available to whip reluctant members of their party into supporting yesterday's "deal." Who knows, the TPers in the House might find enough Democrats equally disgusted with the bill to sink it.

The Progessive caucus as well as the Congressional Black Caucus were going to have a news conference at 11 a.m denouncing the bill, but as of right now it's postponed

186 Targetpractice  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:41:37am

re: #185 sattv4u2

The Progessive caucus as well as the Congressional Black Caucus were going to have a news conference at 11 a.m denouncing the bill, but as of right now it's postponed

No doubt some behind door talks, looking to get them onboard with the bill, if only to avoid making Obama look bad at this point...as though that would be much of a challenge anymore. Oy.

187 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:52:43am
* If the committee cannot agree on at least $1.2 trillion in savings, or Congress rejects its findings, automatic spending cuts totaling that amount would kick in starting in 2013.

Frankly? I like this part of the deal.

188 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:54:21am

re: #185 sattv4u2

What don't they like about it? Other than the fact the word "cut" is used.

189 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:55:24am

re: #186 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

No doubt some behind door talks, looking to get them onboard with the bill, if only to avoid making Obama look bad at this point...as though that would be much of a challenge anymore. Oy.

Both Boehner and Pelosi have their work cut out for them today

READ,,,, both will end up promising pork to a select few members for their votes

190 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:55:56am

I miss Bill Clinton.

Did I say that out loud?

191 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:56:09am

re: #188 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What don't they like about it? Other than the fact the word "cut" is used.

That, and no tax ("revenue") increases

192 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:56:56am

re: #188 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What don't they like about it? Other than the fact the word "cut" is used.

Well, there's nothing to really like about it. Cutting spending during a recession is economic idiocy. Reprioritizing spending would be great, but that's not what we're doing.

However, with the GOP engaged in complete political blackmail, I don't think anything better than this deal is possible. This deal itself may not be possible.

193 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:58:03am

re: #192 Obdicut

* Those cuts would fall equally on domestic and military programs. Medicare would face automatic cuts as well, but Social Security, Medicaid, federal employee pay, and benefits for veterans and the poor would be exempt.

194 Targetpractice  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:58:04am

re: #187 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Frankly? I like this part of the deal.

Except we have no clue as of right now what "automatic cuts" are in the offering. It could just as easily be a "rock or hard place" situation for Democrats, stuck between two equally unpalatable choices of cuts. And it's going to be only cuts, because you know the GOP will fight tooth and nail to ensure that the "savings" do not include revenue enhancements of any kind, regardless of where the burden will ultimately fall.

195 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:59:18am

re: #193 Fat Bastard Vegetarian


Yeah, cutting medicare benefits is a really terrible economic idea, and it's a cruel thing. I'm not surprised people are angry about it.

196 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:59:29am

re: #191 sattv4u2

Honestly? I would not mind a tax increase; for the purposes of paying down the debt only. Use Gore's lock-box; but the corksockers don't have the discipline to do that.

197 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:00:01am

re: #196 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Honestly? I would not mind a tax increase; for the purposes of paying down the debt only. Use Gore's lock-box; but the corksockers don't have the discipline to do that.

Zaccly

"hey ,, look ,, MORE money ,,!!!"

198 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:00:18am

re: #194 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The Bush tax cuts will be expiring right around the same time. If the GOP is still in control of the house, they may try a similar blackmail around that time period, but the Democrats will have the option of just letting the cuts expire.

199 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:00:46am

re: #196 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #197 sattv4u2

Zaccly

"hey ,, look ,, WE HAVE MORE money ,,!!!"

pimf

200 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:01:46am

re: #194 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

heh... revenue enhancements.

Aaah. Takes me back to yesterday's down-ding-athon!

201 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:01:50am

re: #196 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Do you know that right now interest rates are so low on government bonds that it's cheaper for the government to borrow money for large expenditures than it would be to use tax money going forwards?

Right now would be a perfect time for the US to borrow a lot of money and invest it in long-term things like alternative energy research, infrastructure, etc. But the American public has been convinced that we're 'broke'. It's depressing.

202 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:02:58am

"We all may not be able to support it or none of us may be able to support it," Pelosi said, indicating Democrats would want to study the plan

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

How about this? Read it after you pass it.
*cough*

203 Summer Seale  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:04:38am
204 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:05:25am

btw


HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOM

I love you and miss you!!!

205 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:07:10am

re: #201 Obdicut

So, we don't need a tax increase? I don't understand.

206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:07:24am

re: #204 sattv4u2

dude...

207 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:08:51am

re: #206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

dude...

:)

208 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:09:11am

re: #206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

dude...

Going to visit Dad this weekend

209 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:09:51am

re: #190 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I miss Bill Clinton.

Did I say that out loud?

I hated the man, but we could sure use someone with his balls right now.

/And no, not the kind of balls that got him in trouble

210 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:09:52am

re: #206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #208 sattv4u2

Going to visit Dad this weekend

Speaking of which,,, how's YOUR dad doing!?!?

211 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:10:26am

re: #205 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So, we don't need a tax increase? I don't understand.

We need a tax increase to pay for things that we can't pay for all at once. right now, interest rates on government bonds are below inflation; that means that there's a negative return for anyone buying government bonds, but people are still buying them vociferously because the private market sucks so badly. So, if we wanted to spend ten billion on alternative energy, it'd be cheaper to issue bonds (borrow) that money and spend it now, because paying for it over time would be more expensive.

However, for costs that can't be paid for up-front-- like paying out unemployment, salaries, etc.-- we need higher tax revenue. These interest rates will go up once the economy improves and people stop seeking the safety of government bonds.

My main point is that this is the stupidest time to object to raising the debt limit, because, due to the low interest rates, it is the best possible time for the government to borrow money. That's one reason I'm filled with such contempt for the GOP's economic idiocy.

212 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:10:29am

heh... They're at the part in "Big Trouble in Little China" where Jack has killed one of David Lo Pan's critters with knives in his boots and he's stuck underneath it.

Makes me laugh every damn time I see it.

213 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:12:51am

Iran to announce U.S. hikers verdict in "coming days": report

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Two years now

At worse, they did something stupid
Time to let them go

214 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:13:26am

re: #212 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

heh... They're at the part in "Big Trouble in Little China" where Jack has killed one of David Lo Pan's critters with knives in his boots and he's stuck underneath it.

Makes me laugh every damn time I see it.

"I don't suppose you...no."

"...okay Wang, I won't, why don't we just chew our way out."

"I CA HEP YUU!"


"Green flame!"


"That was not real, I wanna talk to the cops!"

215 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:15:52am

Mornin' princesses.

216 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:17:04am

re: #211 Obdicut

Some of these things I don't understand. Is the low interest rate fixed?

What if we borrow the fifty astrotrillion bucks that some seem to think we need and the interest rates bump up? Or is that not an issue?

217 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:17:15am

re: #215 darthstar

Mornin' princesses.

To you too, tutu

218 Targetpractice  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:18:26am

re: #198 Obdicut

The Bush tax cuts will be expiring right around the same time. If the GOP is still in control of the house, they may try a similar blackmail around that time period, but the Democrats will have the option of just letting the cuts expire.

They had the option last time. The GOP took unemployment hostage and swore they were going to blow its brains out unless the Dems singed off on an extension. They got the extension and a payroll tax "holiday" they hadn't even been demanding.

Why do they keep taking hostages? Because Democrats don't have the balls to say "Go ahead, blow his head off, because it'll be the last thing you ever do."

219 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:18:30am

re: #215 darthstar

Mornin' princesses.

still evening for me

220 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:18:55am

re: #211 Obdicut

I'm not being sarcastic. I promise.

But, do you have a fucking job? Or do you just sit around all the time studying this shit to look brilliant on a blog.

Because seriously, you look brilliant on a blog.

221 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:19:28am

re: #220 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

hahaha he's kinda frustrating like that :D

222 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:20:03am

re: #221 WindUpBird

I know, right?

223 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:21:05am

re: #222 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I know, right?

He woulda come in handy back in the LJ days :D

224 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:21:34am

re: #216 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Some of these things I don't understand. Is the low interest rate fixed?

Yes, at time of purchase.


What if we borrow the fifty astrotrillion bucks that some seem to think we need and the interest rates bump up? Or is that not an issue?

Not an issue.

225 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:21:35am

re: #220 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm not being sarcastic. I promise.

But, do you have a fucking job? Or do you just sit around all the time studying this shit to look brilliant on a blog.

Because seriously, you look brilliant on a blog.

Updinged for truth. I find myself applauding him even when I disagree. *shakes fist at screen*

226 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:22:12am

re: #225 thedopefishlives

My point, eggzackery.

227 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:23:37am

re: #220 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm not being sarcastic. I promise.

But, do you have a fucking job? Or do you just sit around all the time studying this shit to look brilliant on a blog.

Because seriously, you look brilliant on a blog.

I work from home, and a lot of what I do involves setting something in motion and letting it compile for ten minutes, then doing another thing, letting it compile, etc. It's a long, slow dance with a lot of spinning plates, and if I didn't find things to occupy myself in the gaps, I'd go nuts.

Right now, I'm actually giving myself a small vacation-- just shunted projects around-- because I'm trying to write a book.

I also write and read really, really, really fast, so it doesn't take me that much time to go through a LGF thread.

Right now, I'm also simultaneously listening to this:

And doing the dishes.

228 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:24:40am

re: #220 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm not being sarcastic. I promise.

But, do you have a fucking job? Or do you just sit around all the time studying this shit to look brilliant on a blog.

Because seriously, you look brilliant on a blog.

He stays at a Holiday Inn Express EVERY night!
/

229 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:26:50am

re: #224 Obdicut

Er, there are actually variable rate components to some government bonds, but they're tied to inflation, not to the increase in the base interest rate.

230 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:30:21am

re: #227 Obdicut


Right now, I'm also simultaneously listening to this:

And doing the dishes...on one foot...naked...while juggling flaming chainsaws.

Impressive.

231 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:31:18am

re: #230 darthstar

Impressive.

I cannot juggle worth a damn. A friend who's great at it tried to teach me, and it wound up with me getting hit in the face with a lot of balls.

And you know how that feels.

232 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:32:42am

re: #227 Obdicut

I have this mental image of you sitting on a kitchen stool with 10 hands flying everywhere.

Eerily enough, though, your self-description sounds a lot like me, aside from the work-at-home bit. Alas, I am cubicle-bound, but I have an absurdly fast typing rate and, provided I get enough sleep, reasonably sharp reading skills.

233 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:33:29am

re: #231 Obdicut

I cannot juggle worth a damn. A friend who's great at it tried to teach me, and it wound up with me getting hit in the face with a lot of balls.

And you know how that feels.

NTTAWWT!!!

234 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:36:18am

re: #231 Obdicut

I cannot juggle worth a damn. A friend who's great at it tried to teach me, and it wound up with me getting hit in the face with a lot of balls.

And you know how that feels.

Not really, actually. I'm not a teabagger.

235 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:42:40am

Local job posting:
Military Deception Planner
Put that shit on a business card. Heh.
(and yes, I know what they mean)

236 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:45:35am

re: #235 Cannadian Club Akbar

Local job posting:
Military Deception Planner
Put that shit on a business card. Heh.
(and yes, I know what they mean)

At least spell check didn't add an extra 'c'...Transformers are the last thing we need.

237 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:47:15am

re: #236 darthstar

At least spell check didn't add an extra 'c'...Transformers are the last thing we need.

I dunno. Have a few Autobots rocking around blowing up terrorists, and I think our defense budget woes would be completely solved.

238 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:49:17am

re: #235 Cannadian Club Akbar

Basic Qualifications
* Bachelors degree or equivalent combination of education and experience
* Bachelors degree in engineering, physics, chemistry, mathematics, or related field preferred
* Four or more years of national security experience
* Experience working with various weapons systems
* Experience working with U. S. and North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) nuclear weapons infrastructure, as appropriate
* Experience working with local, state, national, international or Department of Defense security or weapons system policies and procedures
* Possess security clearance -TS/SCI required

239 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:49:43am

re: #237 thedopefishlives

I dunno. Have a few Autobots rocking around blowing up terrorists, and I think our defense budget woes would be completely solved.

Who's going to stop me? You and that piece of shit Mali--...crap.

240 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:52:43am

I checked Pam's post attacking the dead Norwegian children. Her front page shows 190 comments on that post but clicking on the thread doesn't display any comments.

241 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:53:44am

Almost nobody is going to believe that Obama cut medicaid because he wanted to, it is clear that he cut them to get the GOP to acquiesce to a functioning plan. It is all going to backfire on them at some point.

242 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:53:47am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Just got a new computer for home, and the drool factor (and smile on my face) isn't going to go away anytime soon. It may not be the fastest machine on the market, but twin 23" displays makes the world a whole lot easier to control. I've still got a bunch of data to port over to the new machine, and getting used to Win 7.

Oh, and there was something about a debt deal that was a handshake agreement in principle? Yeah, anyone want to bet that the CBO scores the damned thing close to what the other two plans were? Anyone? Or that few of the cuts occur within the first couple of years and it's backloaded just like the rest of the plans? Or that the CBO has to score it to assume that the AMT doesn't get adjusted or that the Obama-extended Bush tax cuts are also allowed to expire? (because that's the assumptions that the CBO must take in to account when figuring out revenues and spending on these bills - it must assume that the law will not be changed from as it in effect upon passage of the bill under consideration).

Raising the ceiling was never really in doubt beyond all the outrageous hyper hyperbole - and the two conferences would get something through, even if it was an interim measure.

On the one hand, one can hope that the TP will have had a last gasp as a result of this, but I think they're going to be even more emboldened to gum up the works going forward, seeing how they were able to keep any tax hikes from the compromise.

243 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:55:36am

re: #241 ralphieboy

Almost nobody is going to believe that Obama cut medicaid because he wanted to, it is clear that he cut them to get the GOP to acquiesce to a functioning plan. It is all going to backfire on them at some point.

Obama had medicaid/medicare cuts in his original offer. the cuts are administrative costs not reducing benefits. I think they also raised the eligibility age.

244 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:55:38am

re: #240 Killgore Trout

Uh. Oh.

245 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:56:08am

re: #239 darthstar

Who's going to stop me? You and that piece of shit Mali--...crap.

Allahu akbar! I am hijacking this plane!

"Hijack this."

246 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:56:18am

re: #242 lawhawk

On the one hand, one can hope that the TP will have had a last gasp as a result of this, but I think they're going to be even more emboldened to gum up the works going forward, seeing how they were able to keep any tax hikes from the compromise.

Agreed. If the GOP hasn't shed its lunatics-- really, basically reformed itself entirely as a political party-- by the time the expiration of the temporary Bush tax cuts comes up, we will probably see the same sort of blackmail in operation then, as well.

247 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:02:35am

re: #211 Obdicut

That's one reason I'm filled with such contempt for the GOP's economic idiocy.

They don't have economic policies. They have social policies.

1: Oppose President Obama
2: Protect the, obscenely, rich
3: Screw women
4: Screw everyone else

In that order.

248 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:03:04am

re: #247 Naso Tang


3: Screw women

Don't we all have that policy?/

249 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:03:31am

re: #248 thedopefishlives

Don't we all have that policy?/

Only with permission.

250 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:03:39am

A whole lot of people haven't absorbed the Goodness of the deal. Dow is down about 65 and falling.

251 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:04:20am

re: #250 Decatur Deb

A whole lot of people haven't absorbed the Goodness of the deal. Dow is down about 65 and falling.

The pundit prediction an hour ago was up 150

252 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:04:58am

re: #250 Decatur Deb

Hmmm, I wonder what the dow is reacting too. I hope there isn't a credit downgrade coming.

253 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:05:31am

re: #251 Naso Tang

The pundit prediction an hour ago was up 150

It was up +60 or so a few minutes ago.

254 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:05:39am

re: #251 Naso Tang

The pundit prediction an hour ago was up 150

Minus 98, unless I'm hooked into a bad site.

255 KingKenrod  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:05:48am

re: #251 Naso Tang

The pundit prediction an hour ago was up 150

It's plunged 100 points in the last few minutes. Hmm?

256 Lidane  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:05:52am

re: #240 Killgore Trout

I checked Pam's post attacking the dead Norwegian children. Her front page shows 190 comments on that post but clicking on the thread doesn't display any comments.

I'm looking at it now and it doesn't show comments at all. All I see is a form to sign in with Facebook, Typepad or something else in order to comment, and nothing else.

257 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:06:04am

Flipping around the channels with the TV muted... end of a movie. Black woman is singing at a wedding reception and the closed caption said, "vocalizing".

Didn't un-mute it. How I hate "vocalizing" (excepting George Benson).

258 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:06:26am

re: #248 thedopefishlives

Don't we all have that policy?/

I miss Bill Clinton.

259 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:06:33am

12,071.79
-71.45 (-0.59%)

260 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:06:46am

Morning all!

Anything happen in the night?

261 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:06:56am

-94

262 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:07:05am

re: #250 Decatur Deb

A whole lot of people haven't absorbed the Goodness of the deal. Dow is down about 65 and falling.

I don't know what is going on. This was the WSJ prediction based on futures this morning:

The Dow Jones Industrial Average futures jumped 94 points, or 1%,

Now it is down that much.

263 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:07:29am

re: #260 ggt

Morning all!

Anything happen in the night?

No. You will be told when to report to In-processing.

264 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:07:38am

re: #256 Lidane

I'm looking at it now and it doesn't show comments at all. All I see is a form to sign in with Facebook, Typepad or something else in order to comment, and nothing else.

She's probably just trying to hide critical comments.

265 Targetpractice  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:07:56am

re: #252 Killgore Trout

Hmmm, I wonder what the dow is reacting too. I hope there isn't a credit downgrade coming.

Could be anything right now. Reacting to the response from Dems and Repubs on Capital Hill, which is varying between utter disgust and mild trepidation. To the details of the plan that are slowly unfolding, including how much is going to be taken out of the economy due to cuts to government spending. Or perhaps that cold pizza I had for breakfast.

266 Lidane  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:07:56am

Dow 12,058.62 -84.62 -0.70%

267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:08:05am

re: #260 ggt

Morning all!

Anything happen in the night?

World did a third of a turn.

268 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:08:08am

re: #251 Naso Tang

The pundit prediction an hour ago was up 150

An hour ago, it WAS up 150

269 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:08:29am

re: #264 Killgore Trout

She's probably just trying to hide critical comments that encourage violence.

FTFY

270 Lidane  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:08:52am

re: #264 Killgore Trout

She's probably just trying to hide critical comments.

That and trying to keep supportive comments under wraps.

271 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:09:21am

re: #270 Lidane

Out of my head, you. Begone!

272 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:09:44am

Wait for the vote. Right now the DOW is still looking at no finalized deal. Until they vote in congress you really won't see much upward movement. In my ignorant opinion. Sounds good though.

273 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:10:48am

Puppy sleeping at my feet.

Life is good, so far.

274 Targetpractice  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:10:51am

re: #272 Gus 802

Wait for the vote. Right now the DOW is still looking at no finalized deal. Until they vote in congress you really won't see much upward movement. In my ignorant opinion. Sounds good though.

Very likely right. Unless there's ink on the dotted line, there is still very much a chance that this "deal" could fall through. That happens, then the fireworks begin.

275 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:11:22am

re: #272 Gus 802

Wait for the vote. Right now the DOW is still looking at no finalized deal. Until they vote in congress you really won't see much upward movement. In my ignorant opinion. Sounds good though.

Bouncing back a bit. Maybe it's "Take Your Kid to Work Day" on the trading floors.

276 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:11:23am

re: #274 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Very likely right. Unless there's ink on the dotted line, there is still very much a chance that this "deal" could fall through. That happens, then the fireworks begin.

oh the Drama.

I can't stand it.

277 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:12:08am

re: #267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

World did a third of a turn.

Isn't that a Soap Opera, I mean Day Time Drama?

278 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:13:09am

re: #268 sattv4u2

An hour ago, it WAS up 150

I don't know where you got that. An hour ago the market wasn't open.

279 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:13:18am

re: #252 Killgore Trout

I think they may have absorbed the deal, and found it wanting - or there's some other crisis or earnings shortfall that is riling up the markets:

ISM Index Disappoints, at 50.9 in July; Construction Spending Rises 0.2% in June (story developing)

That has a much more immediate impact, showing weakness in the RE and manufacturing sectors. Throw in that Euro Zone Manufacturing Virtually Stagnant in July, and the worldwide economy is sputtering.

280 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:13:51am

re: #279 lawhawk

I think they may have absorbed the deal, and found it wanting - or there's some other crisis or earnings shortfall that is riling up the markets:

ISM Index Disappoints, at 50.9 in July; Construction Spending Rises 0.2% in June (story developing)

That has a much more immediate impact, showing weakness in the RE and manufacturing sectors. Throw in that Euro Zone Manufacturing Virtually Stagnant in July, and the worldwide economy is sputtering.

There are more damn trucks on the road tho.

Someone is making money.

281 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:14:26am

re: #275 Decatur Deb

Bouncing back a bit. Maybe it's "Take Your Kid to Work Day" on the trading floors.

Well there's a lot of other things going on as you may have noticed. HSBC is going to lay 30,000 people. Auto sales have stalled. Manufacturing indexes have declined "from China to UK." So maybe the DOW will climb after this thing passes. We're still in the poop.

282 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:15:43am

re: #281 Gus 802

Well there's a lot of other things going on as you may have noticed. HSBC is going to lay 30,000 people. Auto sales have stalled. Manufacturing indexes have declined "from China to UK." So maybe the DOW will climb after this thing passes. We're still in the poop.

Lay off 30,000 people that is. Not lay. Woops.

283 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:15:55am

[Link: data.cnbc.com...] - the DJIA was up and has slid since the open.

284 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:16:14am

re: #282 Gus 802

Lay off 30,000 people that is. Not lay. Woops.

Freudian Slip?

285 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:16:18am

re: #277 ggt

Isn't that a Soap Opera, I mean Day Time Drama?

"As The Stomach Turns"; based in Washington, DC.

286 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:16:45am

re: #281 Gus 802

Well there's a lot of other things going on as you may have noticed. HSBC is going to lay 30,000 people. Auto sales have stalled. Manufacturing indexes have declined "from China to UK." So maybe the DOW will climb after this thing passes. We're still in the poop.

But corporate profitability is up generally. Go figure.

287 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:16:51am

Here it is...

Stocks Slide After Weak Manufacturing News

Stocks turned lower Monday after ISM manufacturing index hit its lowest level since July 2009 and amid worries the nation's rating may still be downgraded despite a debt deal.

Stocks opened sharply higher after top U.S. lawmakers sealed a deal to raise the debt ceiling one day ahead of a deadline for a potential default.

288 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:16:52am

re: #285 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"As The Stomach Turns"; based in Washington, DC.

Wretched City!

289 avanti  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:16:56am

Fox TV is freaking out about new Obama health care coverage rules that will provide birth control pills without a co-pay. Worse still, they'll provide annual women's wellness care and more birth control assistance. The horror !! /

290 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:17:58am

re: #289 avanti

Fox TV is freaking out about new Obama health care coverage rules that will provide birth control pills without a co-pay. Worse still, they'll provide annual women's wellness care and more birth control assistance. The horror !! /

DON'T GET ME STARTED THIS EARLY IN THE AM.

291 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:18:11am

re: #283 lawhawk

[Link: data.cnbc.com...] - the DJIA was up and has slid since the open.

[Link: www.ism.ws...]

292 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:18:25am

I am concerned about this because we don't know the details. And until we see the details, we're going to be extremely non-committed but on the surface it looks like a Satan sandwich," Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Missouri) said on MSNBC.

[Link: realclearpolitics.com...]

Wow. II posted a link earlier where Nancy said the same thing.
Just read it after it's passed!!!!

293 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:18:25am

re: #291 Gus 802

[Link: www.ism.ws...]

Try again...

[Link: www.ism.ws...]

294 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:19:42am

re: #292 Cannadian Club Akbar

I am concerned about this because we don't know the details. And until we see the details, we're going to be extremely non-committed but on the surface it looks like a Satan sandwich," Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Missouri) said on MSNBC.

[Link: realclearpolitics.com...]

Wow. II posted a link earlier where Nancy said the same thing.
Just read it after it's passed!!!

What is a Satan Sandwich?

295 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:19:46am

Anyone else using google.news.business section? For some reason the stock indexes aren't showing up on the right for me today.

296 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:20:34am

re: #278 Naso Tang

I don't know where you got that. An hour ago the market wasn't open.

[Link: finance.yahoo.com...]

297 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:21:03am

re: #294 ggt

What is a Satan Sandwich?

Politesse for 'fecesburger'.

298 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:21:15am

Ah, hell,

I gotta go accomplish something

later Lizards!

299 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:21:27am

re: #294 ggt

What is a Satan Sandwich?

A Satan sandwich.

300 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:22:13am

re: #296 sattv4u2

OK. I blinked.

301 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:23:08am

re: #278 Naso Tang

re: #296 sattv4u2

[Link: finance.yahoo.com...]

"opened" at 12144

Within moments, it was up to 12,280

Made a steady drop right after that

302 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:24:59am

re: #301 sattv4u2

re: #296 sattv4u2

"opened" at 12144

Within moments, it was up to 12,280

Made a steady drop right after that

Cause:

August 1, 2011 — July Manufacturing ISM Report On Business® — PMI decreases 4.4 percentage points to 50.9 percent.

304 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:26:55am

re: #303 sattv4u2

yup

We can all go back to sleep now. /

305 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:26:59am

Making a rebound now, though (could be bargain seekers)

Down only 29 points

306 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:28:05am

re: #304 Gus 802

We can all go back to sleep now. /

"go back"??

I never WAS !!

((well ,,, not for the last 11 hours, anyway))

307 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:29:13am

re: #306 sattv4u2

"go back"??

I never WAS !!

((well ,,, not for the last 11 hours, anyway))

I tried sleeping but that only lasted about 5 hours. Blech. Got some pain thing going on here too.

308 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:29:23am

re: #307 Gus 802

I tried sleeping but that only lasted about 5 hours. Blech. Got some pain thing going on here too.

Kick It (tm)

309 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:29:49am

Garden time--off to check my sweet potato futures. BBL

310 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:30:25am

re: #307 Gus 802

I tried sleeping but that only lasted about 5 hours. Blech. Got some pain thing going on here too.

You should try that over the counter medicine called booze.

311 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:30:40am

re: #307 Gus 802

I tried sleeping but that only lasted about 5 hours. Blech. Got some pain thing going on here too.

Yeah

When I get that, I just ask my wife to leave the room!!

OUCH ,, oh,, hi honey ,, didn't see you behind me!!
//

312 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:31:00am

re: #301 sattv4u2

re: #296 sattv4u2

"opened" at 12144

Within moments, it was up to 12,280

Made a steady drop right after that

Could this bounce have been one of those automated programs? Without obvious reason it doesn't seem right.

313 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:31:27am

re: #310 Cannadian Club Akbar

You should try that over the counter medicine called booze.

I did that too. Probably why I got up after 5 hours. The booze wore off.

314 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:32:50am

re: #312 Naso Tang

Could this bounce have been one of those automated programs? Without obvious reason it doesn't seem right.

Nope ,, see Gus's #302

expansion in the manufacturing sector for the 24th consecutive month, although at a slower rate of growth than in June. Production and employment also showed continued growth in July, but at slower rates than in June. The New Orders Index registered 49.2 percent, indicating contraction for the first time since June of 2009,

315 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:33:21am

re: #313 Gus 802

I did that too. Probably why I got up after 5 hours. The booze wore off.

two words

INTRAVENOUS BOTTLE

316 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:34:13am

re: #315 sattv4u2

two words

INTRAVENOUS BOTTLE

Two words
151 toothpaste

317 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:34:34am

re: #315 sattv4u2

two words

INTRAVENOUS BOTTLE

A Whiskey Drip™?

318 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:35:02am

re: #317 Gus 802

A Whiskey Drip™?

Another two words: Beer Hat.

319 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:35:28am

See... Everytime I push this button it injects a shot of whiskey into my bloodstream. Watch...

//

320 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:36:30am

re: #319 Gus 802

See... Everytime I push this button it injects a shot of whiskey into my bloodstream. Watch...

//

Duct tape will hold that puppy down.

321 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:36:48am

Completely OT personal message:

Got my first 'real' job. I graduated in June from computer engineering. Sent out dozens and dozens of application... Only heard back from one. But it all worked out. I'm now a junior engineering at a fairly major telecom manufacturer.

So now comes the fun part of moving to a new city, getting a new place, etc. Apparently I'm an adult now?!

322 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:37:11am

re: #321 McSpiff

Completely OT personal message:

Got my first 'real' job. I graduated in June from computer engineering. Sent out dozens and dozens of application... Only heard back from one. But it all worked out. I'm now a junior engineer at a fairly major telecom manufacturer.

So now comes the fun part of moving to a new city, getting a new place, etc. Apparently I'm an adult now?!

PIMF....sigh.

323 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:38:39am

re: #321 McSpiff

Completely OT personal message:

Got my first 'real' job. I graduated in June from computer engineering. Sent out dozens and dozens of application... Only heard back from one. But it all worked out. I'm now a junior engineering at a fairly major telecom manufacturer.

So now comes the fun part of moving to a new city, getting a new place, etc. Apparently I'm an adult now?!

Ever thought about trying that here?
///

324 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:38:51am

re: #321 McSpiff

Completely OT personal message:

Got my first 'real' job. I graduated in June from computer engineering. Sent out dozens and dozens of application... Only heard back from one. But it all worked out. I'm now a junior engineering at a fairly major telecom manufacturer.

So now comes the fun part of moving to a new city, getting a new place, etc. Apparently I'm an adult now?!

Congratulations. As nerve-wracking as joining the Real World is, it's actually kinda fun once you get settled in. Did you get lucky enough to get your relocation expenses paid?

325 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:43:38am

re: #323 Cannadian Club Akbar

Ever thought about trying that here?
///

I'm telling mom! SFZ, FBV is picking on me again!

re: #324 thedopefishlives

Congratulations. As nerve-wracking as joining the Real World is, it's actually kinda fun once you get settled in. Did you get lucky enough to get your relocation expenses paid?

I'm looking forward to it. It was definitely time for a change. Didn't get relocation paid as such, but I was given a signing bonus that should cover a good chunk of the expenses.

326 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:46:46am

re: #325 McSpiff

I'm looking forward to it. It was definitely time for a change. Didn't get relocation paid as such, but I was given a signing bonus that should cover a good chunk of the expenses.

What's funny is, I think my parents would've paid a sizable signing bonus for me to stay home after graduation. Every time I call or visit, my mom gives me a guilt trip about how she wishes I were closer to home and couldn't I find a nice job down in Indy or someplace nearby?

327 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:48:28am

re: #326 thedopefishlives

What's funny is, I think my parents would've paid a sizable signing bonus for me to stay home after graduation. Every time I call or visit, my mom gives me a guilt trip about how she wishes I were closer to home and couldn't I find a nice job down in Indy or someplace nearby?

Well, my original city of choice was Vancouver, the total opposite coast from us. So anything closer and she's happy...

328 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:48:57am

re: #321 McSpiff

So now comes the fun part of moving to a new city, getting a new place, etc. Apparently I'm an adult now?!

I would like to introduce our speaker today. This is the first time in the history of this fine institution that a freshman has given this address; Mr. Thornton Melon.

Thank you very much. Thank you, Dean Martin, President Sinclair and members of the graduating class. I have only one thing to say to you today...
It's a jungle out there! You gotta look out for number one. But don't step in number two. And so, to all you graduates as you go out into the world my advice to you is...
Don't go! It's rough out there! Move back with your parents! Let them worry about it!

329 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:50:35am

re: #328 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
back to school ding

330 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:51:04am

re: #328 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Friends son "ran away" from home about a dozen times

he never missed a meal!!!

331 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:51:12am

Alrighty. Out again. More crap to get completed. BBIAB.

332 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:54:04am

re: #329 Cannadian Club Akbar

back to school ding

giving a ding ding!

333 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:54:54am

re: #332 sattv4u2

giving a ding ding!

DING!

334 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:55:38am

OK. Here's something that'll cheer some of you up!

//

U.S. Political Ideology Stable With Conservatives Leading

PRINCETON, NJ -- Americans' political ideology at the midyear point of 2011 looks similar to 2009 and 2010, with 41% self-identifying as conservative, 36% as moderate, and 21% as liberal.

Graph:

Image: uvtsq98yp0apxviuxi-wla.gif

You may now proceed to thinking "why this can't be true!" ;)

335 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:00:28am

Breaking Earth shattering news! Romney speaks out on the debt compromise:

Romney Breaks Debt Ceiling Silence: ‘Cannot Support This Deal’

After a week of attacks from left and right alike over his failure to take a position on the latest round of Republican debt ceiling proposals, Mitt Romney has made up his mind on the final deal: he's against it.

"As president, my plan would have produced a budget that was cut, capped and balanced - not one that opens the door to higher taxes and puts defense cuts on the table," he said in a statement. "President Obama's leadership failure has pushed the economy to the brink at the eleventh hour and 59th minute. While I appreciate the extraordinarily difficult situation President Obama's lack of leadership has placed Republican Members of Congress in, I personally cannot support this deal."

Etc. Etc.

336 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:00:28am

re: #334 Gus 802

Why, this can't be true...

337 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:00:28am

re: #334 Gus 802

Thats why, after the primaries, both sides invariably move closer to "the middle"

338 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:01:40am

re: #334 Gus 802


a totally useless study: those labels are much too imprecise to be statistically verifiable.

And if Bill O'Reilly can use the "no true Christian" meme on anyone he is too embarassed to be identified with, he can certainly do with with the "no true conservative" riff.

339 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:02:02am

re: #336 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Why, this can't be true...

Care for some Spandau Ballet?

//

340 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:03:29am

re: #335 Gus 802

Defining leadership by finding the direction the mob is running and racing to the front of the mob.

341 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:03:45am

re: #339 Gus 802

Care for some Spandau Ballet?

//

I'd prefer some of your 90 proof "drip"!!

342 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:04:46am

re: #339 Gus 802

Care for some Spandau Ballet?

PM Dawn?

343 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:04:46am

re: #341 sattv4u2

I'd prefer some of your 90 proof "drip"!!

No mas! I just accidentally poured ice water into my cup of coffee.

344 The Left  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:06:01am

re: #343 Gus 802

No mas! I just accidentally poured ice water into my cup of coffee.

Iced coffee! yum!

345 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:06:39am

I'm always fascinated with poll psychology. If a poll doesn't reflect the personal or anecdotal perceptions of the subject same said subject typically proceeds to dismiss the poll. If the poll matched the perceptions, then it is accepted by the subject.

346 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:07:20am

78 degrees outside and the grass needs a mowin'. Sigh.

347 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:07:22am

re: #338 ralphieboy

a totally useless study: those labels are much too imprecise to be statistically verifiable.

And if Bill O'Reilly can use the "no true Christian" meme on anyone he is too embarassed to be identified with, he can certainly do with with the "no true conservative" riff.

When was the last time you went on a road trip?

348 The Left  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:09:31am

re: #345 Gus 802

I'm always fascinated with poll psychology. If a poll doesn't reflect the personal or anecdotal perceptions of the subject same said subject typically proceeds to dismiss the poll. If the poll matched the perceptions, then it is accepted by the subject.

I think this is true and of more than polls.

349 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:09:46am

re: #346 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

78 degrees outside and the grass needs a mowin'. Sigh.

geta goat

350 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:10:00am

re: #348 iceweasel

I think this is true and of more than polls.

zaccly

351 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:10:15am

re: #345 Gus 802

Rasputin Poll
Obama's approval rate down into the teens!

Rightie... That Rasputin's always dead on.
Leftie... That Rasputin's a Halliburton hack!

Rasputin Poll...
Obama's approval rate in the 80's!

Leftie... That Rasputin's always dead on.
Rightie... How much did Soros pay you, Rasputin?

352 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:10:30am

re: #348 iceweasel

I think this is true and of more than polls.

It's called "confirmation bias". It's an actual phenomenon that applies to any and all forms of evidence. It's something that double-blind trials, etc., are designed specifically to defeat.

353 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:11:01am

re: #348 iceweasel

I think this is true and of more than polls.

Rhetoric, politics, music, art, etc.

354 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:11:49am

re: #347 Gus 802

When was the last time you went on a road trip?

Probably about 1993. Why do you ask?

355 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:11:56am

re: #351 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Rasputin Poll
Obama's approval rate down into the teens!

Rightie... That Rasputin's always dead on.
Leftie... That Rasputin's a Halliburton hack!

Rasputin Poll...
Obama's approval rate in the 80's!

Leftie... That Rasputin's always dead on.
Rightie... How much did Soros pay you, Rasputin?

Exactamundo.

356 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:12:52am

re: #355 Gus 802

Thanks, Fonzie.

357 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:13:23am

This brings the "Obama vs Generic Republican" poll to mind. How cann you poll apples vs. oranges and expect to come up with anything objective?

358 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:14:48am

re: #354 ralphieboy

Probably about 1993. Why do you ask?

Because. I went on a road trip in May. From Colorado to California. It reminded me of how conservative America really is. Even well into California it's conservative. Right now I'm 30 miles south of San Jose and it's relatively conservative out here including a lot of "end-o-times" people. It's also a very Christian nation. Utah of course is largely Mormon and the conservative atmosphere is clearly evident during my travels. Nevada being the same. Once I got out of my liberal ghetto in Denver it was noticeable. Even within Colorado -- and this had always been true -- one can see the conservative nature of the people.

359 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:14:55am

re: #352 thedopefishlives

It's called "confirmation bias". It's an actual phenomenon that applies to any and all forms of evidence. It's something that double-blind trials, etc., are designed specifically to defeat.

Leave it to the ding whore to bring this up.

I wonder how many "down-dings" are based on confirmation bias? I've seen many well thought out posts down-dung (get it?) because of who posted it rather than the actual post.

360 The Left  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:15:54am

re: #357 ralphieboy

This brings the "Obama vs Generic Republican" poll to mind. How cann you poll apples vs. oranges and expect to come up with anything objective?

I think midway through a term "Incumbent vs Generic Opponent" is almost always going to poll in favour of the Generic Opponent.

361 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:16:44am

Hmmm. This must be some strong coffee. It still has a robust flavor to it even after pouring water into it.

362 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:16:52am

re: #359 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And by that, I mean... they really don't read the post. The poster's nic confirms that they're gonna disagree.

363 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:17:32am

re: #360 iceweasel

How can it not? Who's gonna answer the poll? Those agin', not those fer.

364 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:18:13am

re: #358 Gus 802

There are different types of conservative: I live in Europe, and here the people are a lot more politically and socially liberal, but a lot more conservative in their lifestyle and personal tastes.

I undersand what you are trying to say about America, but unless we come up with an objective standard for "conservative" and "liberal" and rate people along those lines, polls like this are at best a rough indication of current trends.

365 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:18:24am

Speaking of which. That happened when we moved from Brooklyn (with a short hop in West Islip) to Ulster Country NY. It was a huge cultural difference from our Brooklyn experience. We were effectively in "the country" living amongst the country folk.

366 The Left  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:18:49am

re: #362 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And by that, I mean... they really don't read the post. The poster's nic confirms that they're gonna disagree.

I've seen the opposite happen. People don't downding a certain nic even if they disagree. The karma system works in loads of interesting and weird ways.

367 The Left  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:20:13am

re: #365 Gus 802

Speaking of which. That happened when we moved from Brooklyn (with a short hop in West Islip) to Ulster Country NY. It was a huge cultural difference from our Brooklyn experience. We were effectively in "the country" living amongst the country folk.

Ulster County-- culture shock. I used to spend summers in Putnam County and there was little to do apart from drive drunk and smash people's mailboxes. Cow tipping. That sort of thing.

/not that I ever indulged in any of those.

368 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:20:37am

I also remember the map that they published after the 2004 elections showing voting districts, America was predominantly red. But if you weighted the map to population density, it looked a lot different.

Take any long trip through sparsely populated areas and you eill encounter a lot of people who tend to the conservative side of things.

369 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:20:39am

re: #366 iceweasel

I agree. I agree so much, in fact, that you should go and up-ding everything I've said over the past month.

370 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:21:00am

re: #359 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Leave it to the ding whore to bring this up.

Hey, I resemble that remark.

re: #366 iceweasel

I've seen the opposite happen. People don't downding a certain nic even if they disagree. The karma system works in loads of interesting and weird ways.

It'd be an interesting statistical study, for sure. The motives behind up- and downdinging have been the subject of heated debate and even the occasional flounce.

371 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:21:08am

re: #364 ralphieboy

There are different types of conservative: I live in Europe, and here the people are a lot more politically and socially liberal, but a lot more conservative in their lifestyle and personal tastes.

I undersand what you are trying to say about America, but unless we come up with an objective standard for "conservative" and "liberal" and rate people along those lines, polls like this are at best a rough indication of current trends.

OK. That sounds reasonable. I'll still lean on conservative though. Not for myself that is but my overall perception of Americans outside of metropolitan areas. I'm sure you're familiar with the Bible Belt and what's called Flyover Country. Those are vast areas with a large overall population.

372 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:21:53am

re: #364 ralphieboy

Yeah. A lot of Jews, for example, describe themselves as 'conservative', but vote for Democrats.

Of course, the Democrats are the conservative party, these days. The GOP are wildly radical.

Really, a two-axis system of description is so damn lacking in accuracy it's just useless.

373 The Left  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:22:05am

re: #369 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I agree. I agree so much, in fact, that you should go and up-ding everything I've said over the past month.

Heh. I ding you all the time, Veggie!

374 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:22:37am

re: #373 iceweasel

Heh. I ding you all the time, Veggie!

(don't tell Jimmah!)

375 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:24:16am

Watching "The Madness of King George".

He was... uh... KWAZY!

376 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:27:32am

re: #372 Obdicut

Yeah. A lot of Jews, for example, describe themselves as 'conservative', but vote for Democrats.

Of course, the Democrats are the conservative party, these days. The GOP are wildly radical.

Really, a two-axis system of description is so damn lacking in accuracy it's just useless.

Do you consider yourself a conservative, liberal or moderate?

377 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:27:40am

re: #372 Obdicut

Yeah. A lot of Jews, for example, describe themselves as 'conservative', but vote for Democrats.

Maybe that's because they belong to Conservative congregations.

378 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:30:47am

There are fiscal consrvatives who do not give a hoot about abortion, gay marriage or drug legalization, there are social conservatives whose politics focus on them. What are we talking about?

The terms are too vague to be more than a rough indication of trends.

379 Interesting Times  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:33:05am

re: #378 ralphieboy

There are fiscal consrvatives who do not give a hoot about abortion, gay marriage or drug legalization, there are social conservatives whose politics focus on them. What are we talking about?

That's why, instead of just asking people whether they identify as liberal/conservative/moderate, I'd prefer a poll which asked what specific policies they support.

It would be very interesting to see how that matched up with their self-inflicted political labels.

380 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:34:28am

re: #376 Gus 802

Do you consider yourself a conservative, liberal or moderate?

I don't. I have particular positions, that I think are pragmatically workable.

In terms of political philosophy, I basically have two ideals:

1. Survival of the human race and civilization
2. Individual liberty.

In terms of how far away from the current state I'd like to change society and the political system, I'm a complete radical. In terms of how much I realize that small, incremental steps are necessary, I'm a moderate.

381 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:35:15am

re: #379 publicityStunted

It might lead the GOP to realize that they are missing out on a lot of Latinos, blacks and other minorities who consider themselves very conservative on fiscal and social issues but cannot begin to identify with GOP policy and campaign strtegies at all.

382 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:38:40am

re: #378 ralphieboy

There are fiscal consrvatives who do not give a hoot about abortion, gay marriage or drug legalization,

Moi, for one

383 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:40:08am

re: #382 sattv4u2

There are fiscal consrvatives who do not give a hoot about abortion, gay marriage or drug legalization,

Moi, for one


and many who would insist that you are not a True Conservative (TM). that's kinda the point here

384 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:42:17am

re: #383 ralphieboy

and many who would insist that you are not a True Conservative (TM). that's kinda the point here

Yup,, and to those "many",, I don't consider your consideration!

385 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:44:29am

re: #384 sattv4u2

I reject your reality and substitute my own!

I'm in the same boat. I did have someone say, "You're not a conservative." To prove I was? I quoted Dick Cheney.

386 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:45:15am

re: #385 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I reject your reality and substitute my own!

I'm in the same boat. I did have someone say, "You're not a conservative." To prove I was? I quoted Dick Cheney.

"I'm sorry, I didn't mean to shoot you in the ass"?

387 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:45:56am

re: #386 thedopefishlives

"I'm sorry, I didn't mean to shoot you in the ass"?

No, silly. The other famous quote.

388 The Left  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:47:14am

re: #387 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No, silly. The other famous quote.

"Fuck Yourself"?

389 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:47:31am

re: #382 sattv4u2

There are fiscal consrvatives who do not give a hoot about abortion, gay marriage or drug legalization,

Moi, for one


I used to follow the social-liberal/fiscal-conservative tack for a while until I saw what the GOP's economic policies were about: allowing interet groups to unduly assert their influence on the economy.

Espeicially in those areas that highly affect the economy, namely the interface between the market and government policy: taxation, regulation, infrasturcture, defense, etc.

If "government interference in the market" means maintaining a plurality of interests in determining the structure of our national economy , especially of those without lobbies and financial clout, then I am begrudgingly in favor of it.

390 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:48:27am

re: #388 iceweasel

"Fuck Yourself"?


You see, a liberal would expect the government to do the fucking for him...

391 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:51:10am

And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

392 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:52:22am

re: #388 iceweasel

"Fuck Yourself"?

"Go fuck yourself" specifically.

393 Lidane  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:52:31am

re: #389 ralphieboy

I used to follow the social-liberal/fiscal-conservative tack for a while until I saw what the GOP's economic policies were about: allowing interest groups to unduly assert their influence on the economy.

I used to call myself socially liberal and fiscally conservative until I actually started to take business classes. And now, in my MBA program, the last thing I'd support is completely de-regulated anything in the market. Some checks and balances are needed. We've seen the consequences otherwise.

394 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:54:38am

re: #393 Lidane

I used to call myself socially liberal and fiscally conservative until I actually started to take business classes. And now, in my MBA program, the last thing I'd support is completely de-regulated anything in the market. Some checks and balances are needed. We've seen the consequences otherwise.

Hush with your logic. We don't need any of that. This is the Internet./

395 William of Orange  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:54:44am

Has CBS now been FOX-ed in the rear?? How about this for ethics 101??

A CBS affiliated station criminalized a 4-year old by omitting some very essential material from his answer to a reporter. This journalist took this waaaay out of context. Despicable!!!


Here's the video, and directly behind it the full answer. Someone has to be held accountable for this shit!

396 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:55:59am

re: #393 Lidane

completely de-regulated anything

As stated above, I would describe myself as fiscally con and I don't advocate deregulating "anything"

Nor do any of the people I know that are like-minded fiscally

397 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:55:59am

re: #392 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You notice that it is white, no?
/

398 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:56:44am

re: #393 Lidane

I'm a neoliberal generally speaking, and push libertarian on social issues. Freedom knows no borders and human rights are universal - and if that means going and putting a stop to despotic regimes that engage in mass murder to stay in power then I would support those efforts.

So, I get a kick out of the fact that I can get quoted by Ted Kennedy in a policy paper and have Karl Rove and Jim DeMint following me on Twitter.

399 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:56:59am

re: #391 sattv4u2

And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

Redux

400 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:57:52am

re: #395 William of Orange


They are not criminalizing him, they are showing him as a budding patriot eager to excercise his Second Amendment rights!

The hidden subtext here, of course, is that this kid is gonna grow up and become a gangsta...

401 Kronocide  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:59:46am

re: #395 William of Orange

That's horseshit. I expect it of Fox but CBS? WTF? Somebody should get fired over this.

402 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:00:25am

re: #398 lawhawk

Freedom knows no borders and human rights are universal - and if that means going and putting a stop to despotic regimes that engage in mass murder to stay in power then I would support those efforts.

and then we find ourselves in a situation where our domestic jobs and preosperity are dependent on the good graces of said dictators: what do you do when your announced policy is one of "jobs, jobs and jobs"?

403 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:01:46am

re: #395 William of Orange

Son of a bitch.

404 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:03:05am

BTW, the killing fields in Syria are getting watered again today.

It's the Hama rules v. 2.0 in effect.

405 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:04:07am

But really, the kid did not say he was going to own a gun illegally, and why should he? We can buy and own guns legally here.

But the subliminal cultural subtext to all this was not "I want a gun because I want to accept low wages and miserable working conditions to put my life on the line every day to protect citizens against dangerous criminals" but "I gonna be a gangsta!"

406 William of Orange  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:05:52am

re: #403 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Son of a bitch.

That was not meant for me I hope. ;-)

407 Kronocide  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:07:06am

Oh joy, I forgot I have a fresh pound of Kona roasted French. BBL.

408 jaunte  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:09:36am

re: #405 ralphieboy

Boyce Watkins comments on the story:

The problem with the station’s depiction is that the boy’s words were taken completely out of context. The boy mentioned that he wanted a gun, not because his preschool had taught him to become a gang banger. Instead, he wanted the gun because he was planning to become a police officer.

So, similar to the racial disease that infects the images and outcomes of millions of other black boys in America, the media had turned a law abiding four year old into a menace to society before he’d even learned how to read. [Link: boycewatkins.wordpress.com...]

409 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:09:39am

re: #406 William of Orange

Of course not. Do these people realize that...

Oh, who am I kidding. Of course not.

410 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:12:17am

"The Silence of the Lambs" opened twenty years ago. Twenty years ago. 20. A score. Two decades. GET OFF MY LAWN!

411 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:14:51am

re: #409 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Of course not. Do these people realize that...

Oh, who am I kidding. Of course not.

That made no sense. Sorry.

Of course I was not calling you a Son of a bitch.

Do these people (meaning the reporters and editors) realize that they may have just created a gangster?

No. They do not realize that.

412 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:15:49am

re: #411 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Or they do, and don't really give a shit; and hope he'll be a future big story.

413 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:18:36am

@rightwingwatch Right Wing Watch
Anti-Muslim bloggers say the young victims of the Norway terrorist attack were the real villains, terrorist-sympathizers [Link: t.co...]

414 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:22:18am

And the CBO scores this new debt deal... close to where the others were. It gets a staggered raise in the debt limit in exchange for $917 billion in cuts that are delineated and possible additional cuts to come later. It seems to mirror the Reid deal in dollar value but like the Boehner plan, doesn't count the military as part of the reductions.

$21 billion cut in 2012, $42 billion in 2013, and rising to $156 billion cut in 2021 to total out $917 billion in cuts over a 10 year period. Most of that is once again backloaded in the final years of the deal. There's another $1.2 trillion that might get added to that amount, but that isn't broken out in the deal b/c it's based on what a panel of Congress members will decide. That too will likely be backloaded in a similar fashion.

After all the furor over the deals,this isn't all that different than the prior deals but for the panel to come up with another $1.2 trillion in cuts that may not be realized.

415 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:25:48am

re: #414 lawhawk

So all this hoopla and song-and-dance was just to get another piece of junk? Color me surprised. Oh well, at least the government won't default on its debt, and we can pretend to hope for some real financial accountability, someday.

416 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:26:39am

re: #408 jaunte

Boyce Watkins comments on the story:

The boy's story is of no consequence--he's 4 years old, and probably wants a dragon, too. The news editor was stupid, lazy, or dishonest, and it doesn't matter which to the public.

417 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:27:24am

re: #376 Gus 802

Do you consider yourself a conservative, liberal or moderate?

On what issue?

418 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:28:02am

re: #414 lawhawk

* If the committee cannot agree on at least $1.2 trillion in savings, or Congress rejects its findings, automatic spending cuts totaling that amount would kick in starting in 2013...

419 Lidane  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:28:07am

re: #414 lawhawk

After all the furor over the deals,this isn't all that different than the prior deals but for the panel to come up with another $1.2 trillion in cuts that may not be realized.

So in other words, it was a lot of bullshit staged drama bringing us to the edge of default for no reason.

Figures.

420 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:28:18am

Klunk!

12,021.43
-121.81 (-1.00%)

421 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:28:41am

re: #417 Naso Tang

On what issue?

Too late. I've moved on. ;)

422 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:29:35am

re: #420 Gus 802

Remember when folks thought that it was impossible for the Dow to go over 10K? I do.

423 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:30:01am

re: #421 Gus 802

Too late. I've moved on. ;)

Never too late to say you're sorry.

424 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:32:05am

re: #422 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Remember when folks thought that it was impossible for the Dow to go over 10K? I do.

Yeah. I remember that. It'll go below 12,000 here again. Things aren't looking very good even after this debt deal passes.

425 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:32:12am

re: #422 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How about the folks who were promising DOW 30k?

426 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:32:38am

re: #423 Naso Tang

Never too late to say you're sorry.

Spill the wine, dig that girl...

427 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:32:45am

re: #424 Gus 802

Yeah. I remember that. It'll go below 12,000 here again. Things aren't looking very good even after this debt deal passes.

Well, the cut in spending is minimal at first, but what the markets would see as reassuring is increased government spending. Austerity measures depress the market.

428 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:33:21am

re: #426 Gus 802

Spill the wine, dig that girl...

I meant for asking a Teabagger question.

429 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:33:40am

re: #428 Naso Tang

I meant for asking a Teabagger question.

Blow me.

430 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:34:02am

re: #428 Naso Tang

How the hell is that a 'teabagger' question?

431 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:34:29am

re: #428 Naso Tang

I meant for asking a Teabagger question.

Seriously. I'm not interested in your stupid bullshit this morning.

432 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:34:35am

re: #418 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I consider any cuts beyond the first 2-3 years to be vaporware regardless of how they're pitching this down the road.

433 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:36:49am

re: #432 lawhawk

I consider any cuts beyond the first 2-3 years to be vaporware regardless of how they're pitching this down the road.

As you've highlighted numerous times, backloaded spending cuts are just a way for politicians to disguise the pork barrel. Those savings will quietly go away, no one will mourn their passing, until a light bulb goes on in someone's head and people start complaining about government spending again. Rinse and repeat.

434 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:36:54am

re: #431 Gus 802

Seriously. I'm not interested in your stupid bullshit this morning.

No sense of humor I see. Lighten up.

435 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:38:22am

re: #430 Obdicut

How the hell is that a 'teabagger' question?

Because it is a narrow tunnel vision view of how people think. I thought that was obvious.

436 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:39:47am

re: #434 Naso Tang

No sense of humor I see. Lighten up.

Whatever you say "Naso".

437 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:40:55am

Oi. I'd say it's time to fire up the troll barbecue, but clearly the flames are pretty hot in here already.

438 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:42:32am

re: #437 thedopefishlives

Oi. I'd say it's time to fire up the troll barbecue, but clearly the flames are pretty hot in here already.

The sensitivity in some quarters is overbearing to be sure.

439 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:43:15am

re: #435 Naso Tang

Because it is a narrow tunnel vision view of how people think. I thought that was obvious.

It's how most people think about politics, not just 'teabaggers', and it was completely apropos to the discussion at hand.

440 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:50:01am

re: #439 Obdicut

It's how most people think about politics, not just 'teabaggers', and it was completely apropos to the discussion at hand.

Here we go again. You think you have a bone.

Look, some people, like Teabaggers are utterly "conservative" on everything but in my experience most who think can be that on some matters and quite liberal on others. When doing surveys, if they are to the right on half the questions and left on half, they are labelled moderate, even if the topic at hand is quite specific.

As to your sensitivity, I am sorry if I upset you (what the hell!) or Gus but it was really just meant as a lighthearted tease, including the followups.

Now we can move on, OK?

441 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:51:04am

looks like almost nobody is happy with the 'compromise'...I'm not surprised...but now the president can get back to campaigning while the cannibals in congress get ready for their next meal...the vote tonight should be a doozie when the last holdouts shoot their wad....gonna be a bright light shining on the TP....I hope they appreciate the attention they are about to get

442 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:52:43am

re: #440 Naso Tang

Here we go again. You think you have a bone.

What are you talking about?

You didn't upset me. I'm pointing out Gus's question wasn't a teabagger question. If you were trying to make a joke, it didn't work.

This is one of those 25% of the time where what you says just makes no sense.

And feel free to move on.

443 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:05:45am

Now this sounds like a fun case:

[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]

A jury must decide whether $421,090 plastic-wrapped bills found in twin suitcases in the trunk of a convict's car is drug trafficking money, or a donation from a philanthropic strip-club owner to disaster victims, or perhaps the unexplained earnings of a man named Primo, a federal judge ruled.

445 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:09:09am

Pam still has comments hidden on the Norway thread. The comment counter is still moving up but there's no way to view them.

446 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:09:56am

re: #442 Obdicut

What are you talking about?

You didn't upset me. I'm pointing out Gus's question wasn't a teabagger question. If you were trying to make a joke, it didn't work.

This is one of those 25% of the time where what you says just makes no sense.

And feel free to move on.

Your style is consistent, that is for sure. How come you didn't end the first sentence with "dude"?

Gus seemed to have gotten it the first time, and I should have left it at that, but then saying sorry smells like blood to you, doesn't it?

447 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:09:57am

re: #445 Killgore Trout

Pam still has comments hidden on the Norway thread. The comment counter is still moving up but there's no way to view them.

It'd be absolutely fascinating to see what people are saying on that thread.

448 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:10:52am

And I just heard a 56k modem dialing somewhere in the building. Whoa. Old school.

449 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:10:59am

re: #447 thedopefishlives

It'd be absolutely fascinating to see what people are saying on that thread.

What, no LGF socks over there?

450 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:11:03am

re: #447 thedopefishlives

It'd be absolutely fascinating to see what people are saying on that thread.

Blah blah, they deserved it, blah blah, he had a point, blah blah, we had nothing to do with it, blah blah

451 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:12:44am

re: #446 Naso Tang

Why not move on?

452 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:13:04am

re: #447 thedopefishlives

It'd be absolutely fascinating to see what people are saying on that thread.

As of last night her readers were supporting the attacks as a necessary strike and promised more to come. It also seems a lot of Norwegians were showing up to voice their disgust at her article.

453 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:13:38am

re: #452 Killgore Trout

As of last night her readers were supporting the attacks as a necessary strike and promised more to come.

Wait, WHAT? Are you flippin' serious?

454 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:13:42am

Saying sorry smells like blood to you!!11ty

Weird.

455 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:14:04am

re: #451 Obdicut

Why not move on?

I said that back at 440. You chose to continue and I am here to please.

456 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:16:56am

Oh boy, expect rage-o-meters to hit 11;

United States approves free birth control for women


U.S. health insurance companies must offer women free birth control and other preventive health care services under Obama administration rules released on Monday, a historic decision supported by family planning groups and opposed by conservative groups.

The rules from the Health and Human Services Department are part of the nation's healthcare overhaul and largely follow recommendations from an advisory group released last month.

The U.S. Institute of Medicine (IOM) report, commissioned by the Obama administration, recommended that all U.S.-approved birth control methods -- including the "morning-after pill," taken shortly after intercourse to stop a pregnancy -- be added to the list of preventive health services.

457 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:17:42am

Gates of Vienna...
Picking Up the Pieces: An Update on Comments

Many of our regular readers who were on holiday during the horrific events of July 22nd came back to their normal routine to find the Western world — at least the European part of it — much changed. They have been writing to ask us about our now-closed comments section, and when things might return to “normal”.

To our loyal readers and commenters we must sadly say that things have changed irrevocably. They will never be the same.

This doesn’t mean the comments won’t return. It does mean we must wait until the Gawkers and Creeps and Finger-Pointing-Blamers wander away —

458 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:18:06am

re: #453 thedopefishlives

Wait, WHAT? Are you flippin' serious?

Yes, very.

459 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:18:21am

re: #457 Killgore Trout

Gates of Vienna...
Picking Up the Pieces: An Update on Comments

Have they at all addressed why they're linking to anti-Semitic sites?

460 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:19:15am

re: #445 Killgore Trout

Pam still has comments hidden on the Norway thread. The comment counter is still moving up but there's no way to view them.

Maybe it's a "private thread" only visible to registered users?

461 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:19:19am

re: #457 Killgore Trout

Gates of Vienna...
Picking Up the Pieces: An Update on Comments

In other words, as soon as the spotlight gets turned off, you can all crawl out from under your rocks.

re: #458 Killgore Trout

Yes, very.

Seems like someone needs to notify the authorities if that is in fact the case. We already know Crazy Pam won't do it. Letting comments like those go by is irresponsible at best.

462 Mocking Jay  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:20:50am

re: #457 Killgore Trout

Shh. We can start talking again when no one's listening...

463 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:23:09am

The last comment I saw on Pam's site....

I find it highly amusing that the Norwegians like to play at being relevant, as if they are. The Jews and the Israeli people are under the protection of the Knights Templar, by no less an authority than Andrew Brevik. To be sure, they may not like it, but they are. To be a socialist is to be a crime against humanity, to act in furtherance of socialism is commit a crime against humanity. Those who live by the sword and attack others and act to destroy their own countries will suffer such in return.
...
I won't call Andrew Brevik a madman and I won't cry for the dead on Utoya Island, either, "for I have seen Him in the watch fires of 1,000 circling camps.


The ellipsed portion was a long description of his family fighting in WWII and not being bothered by collateral damage.

464 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:25:47am

re: #463 Killgore Trout

The last comment I saw on Pam's site...


The ellipsed portion was a long description of his family fighting in WWII and not being bothered by collateral damage.

Because deliberately targeting children and civilians was what the Allies were all about in WWII.

Scumball.

465 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:29:00am

re: #464 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Because deliberately targeting children and civilians was what the Allies were all about in WWII.

Scumball.

I also think it's extra creepy that the commenter is adopting the terrorist's Knights Templar theme.

466 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:31:00am

re: #465 Killgore Trout

I also think it's extra creepy that the commenter is adopting the terrorist's Knights Templar theme.

It's more than a little disturbing how this round of right-wing fanaticism is reviving the imagery of the Crusades. That was a brutal chapter in world history that would best be left alone.

467 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:32:36am

Being a Socialist is reason enough to be killed. Being a child at a socialist summer camp as well, I guess.

People who make comments like this are a true pimple on the ass of humanity, but I would never pre-emptive advocate violence against them.

468 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:32:49am

re: #465 Killgore Trout

I also think it's extra creepy that the commenter is adopting the terrorist's Knights Templar theme.

I wonder if Pam realizes that the Knights Templar are from the Crusades, during the times when the Christians captured and controlled Jerusalem-- slaughtering Jews and Muslims alike when they did so. And then made it a Christian kingdom.

469 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:36:26am

re: #468 Obdicut

I wonder if Pam realizes that the Knights Templar are from the Crusades, during the times when the Christians captured and controlled Jerusalem-- slaughtering Jews and Muslims alike when they did so. And then made it a Christian kingdom.

I thought the Knights Templar worshipped Baphomet...

//

470 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:37:11am

re: #468 Obdicut

You mean the "Good ol' days"?
/

471 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:42:02am

re: #470 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah, back when Christians slaughtered the Jews, enslaved them, forced them to convert, and burned the synagogue in Jerusalem.

The Crusades were pretty much the start of modern anti-semitism in Europe. The blood libel myth dates from then. European armies on their way to the Crusades massacred Jews in Prague, Mainz, etc. Jews, of course, fought on the side of the Muslims against the invaders, and so were killed in battle and then in the slaughter of civilans in Jerusalem.

How on earth Pam, or any other Jew, can overlook that history, I have no idea.

472 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:44:59am

re: #471 Obdicut

With blinders on, anything is possible.

473 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:45:23am

re: #471 Obdicut

How on earth Pam, or any other Jew, can overlook that history, I have no idea.

It's easy to do when one is desperately, deliberately seeking to bolster one's own worldview. She wants to be RIGHT, GODDAMMIT, about the Muslim menace, even if that means she has to resort to tolerating neo-Crusader rhetoric that should ordinarily boil her blood.

Neo-Crusader. Holy cow. I suppose that's a decent enough description of the movement, though the very thought chills me to the bone. The Crusades were merciless and violent, a veritable orgy of death and destruction across the Middle East and elsewhere.

474 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:52:48am

And the very image Islamists use to rile up the masses against the West. The more people like Pam rely on images from the crusades, the more they are giving these fellows leverage to incite more violence against us.

One would almost think that they want to precipitate a violent conflict.

475 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:53:21am

re: #473 thedopefishlives

It's easy to do when one is desperately, deliberately seeking to bolster one's own worldview. She wants to be RIGHT, GODDAMMIT, about the Muslim menace, even if that means she has to resort to tolerating neo-Crusader rhetoric that should ordinarily boil her blood.

Neo-Crusader. Holy cow. I suppose that's a decent enough description of the movement, though the very thought chills me to the bone. The Crusades were merciless and violent, a veritable orgy of death and destruction across the Middle East and elsewhere.

The role that Venice played in the Crusades pretty much established the playbook for Haliburton/KBR and Blackwater/Xe.

476 Ericus58  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:55:16am

re: #472 lawhawk

With blinders on, anything is possible.

She's still hitting the Beefeater's, eh?

477 William of Orange  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 11:01:24am

re: #395 William of Orange

Has CBS now been FOX-ed in the rear?? How about this for ethics 101??

A CBS affiliated station criminalized a 4-year old by omitting some very essential material from his answer to a reporter. This journalist took this waaay out of context. Despicable!!!

Here's the video, and directly behind it the full answer. Someone has to be held accountable for this shit!

[Video]

To complete this story.
WBBM has reacted to this story and admitted two mistakes. One; interviewing the boy without consent and Two; editing the video to misreprisent his comments.

478 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 11:45:32am

re: #461 thedopefishlives

In other words, as soon as the spotlight gets turned off, you can all crawl out from under your rocks.

re: #458 Killgore Trout

Seems like someone needs to notify the authorities if that is in fact the case. We already know Crazy Pam won't do it. Letting comments like those go by is irresponsible at best.

I'm pretty sure they've already talked to her. I'm pretty sure they're already watching her blog after her attempt to hide the thing about a Norwegian stockpiling weapons from last week. Somebody pointed out that the Feds have the authority to monitor her email and commenter IP's under the patriot act. I'm pretty sure they're being watched.


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