Epic Creationist Fails: Dinosaurs with Flaming Nostrils

How creationists ‘think’
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Once again I’m traveling, rambling through the countryside, searching for the elusive Crocoduck.

No sign of the Crocoduck yet, but here’s a video featuring a whacked out creationist with the same name as another whacked out creationist who used to post comments at LGF before flouncing away in the Great LGF Creationist Exodus — Richard L. Kent, Esq.

Youtube Video
UPDATE at 8/2/11 11:38:27 am

I was traveling yesterday and couldn’t update this post right away, but it turns out that the Richard Kent in this video is not the same Richard L. Kent who used to post at LGF. Amazingly, there are actually two whacked out, raging creationists with the name “Richard Kent.”

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805 comments

1 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:07:44pm

Smaug lives!

2 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:10:57pm

RICHARD L. KENT, Esq!
What fun he was.

3 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:11:14pm

rambling through the countryside is my favorite pastime...you just never know what's out there in the Great Big

4 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:13:10pm

Lol.
Catch on fire???
DRAGONS!
Lol.

5 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:14:59pm

re: #4 Varek Raith

Lol.
Catch on fire???
DRAGONS!
Lol.

toking nitrous oxide no less

6 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:16:15pm

Thar be dragons?

7 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:20:43pm

sounds like a Monty Python skit.

8 Idle Drifter  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:25:03pm

OK, my brain skipped when he said their (the dinosaurs) nostrils would catch on fire.

9 Charleston Chew  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:27:27pm

If your nostrils tend to catch on fire, you're probably a paint-huffer.

10 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:28:57pm

re: #9 Charleston Chew

If your nostrils tend to catch on fire, you're probably a paint-huffer.

or a cartoon...we have to be constantly vigilant or people will mistake this for reality...but they are all downstairs right now

11 Spocomptonite  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:29:13pm

I love Potholer's videos because his commentary is just GOLDEN. Like the award he gives out.

12 jvic  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:29:15pm

I don't know which one to believe. They both have British accents. /

13 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:29:56pm

Potholers54?
WTF???

14 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:31:10pm

I thought for fire to be produced there had to be a *spark*. How does breathing in and out really fast produce a *spark*?

15 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:32:15pm

Frank Says:

I'd like to know who's Plunkin' the monkeys? -- It was on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson. I can't remember the year maybe 10 years ago? They were talking about AIDS and how AIDS all got started, he had 3 theory's. First Frank said something about AIDS being a government test gone wrong Then maybe it was an Alien (ET) test or mistake and finally they talked about the theory of AIDS coming from a monkey and then Frank said " I'd like to know who's plunkin' the monkey's?"

Somehow I think this is relevant. The first human had to come from somewhere?

16 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:32:43pm

dragon music

17 Spocomptonite  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:33:04pm

re: #13 Floral Giraffe

Potholers54?
WTF???

Potholer54 is the YouTube user, also known as Peter Hadfield, a retired British international science correspondent. His videos are AMAZING.

18 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:34:06pm

re: #15 ggt

Frank Says:

Somehow I think this is relevant. The first human had to come from somewhere?

when you name you child Moon Unit, I no longer take you seriously

19 Charleston Chew  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:35:22pm

Forcing a lot of air though a small opening in low oxygen = fire?

Easy way to test this theory - drive your car til it runs out of gas. If this guy's on the level, then the fuel in the fuel-air mix you squirt into your engine is superfluous because the pressurized air alone should be enough to combust, and you'll never need to buy fuel again.

Also, dinosaur farts must have been particularly explosive.

20 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:35:53pm

re: #18 albusteve

when you name you child Moon Unit, I no longer take you seriously

She named her child, Matilda.

21 makeitstop  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:36:16pm

re: #18 albusteve

when you name you child Moon Unit, I no longer take you seriously

Or Dweezil. Ahmet, however, is acceptable.

22 Idle Drifter  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:37:46pm

Though I like the idea of unicorns and dragons being real. It would make for some interesting National Geographic articles and shows.

23 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:38:13pm

re: #21 makeitstop

Or Dweezil. Ahmet, however, is acceptable.

maybe...jury's still out....Frank was a true nut, I mean he fired Lowell George

24 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:38:29pm

FLAMING NOSTRILS!!!!

ROCK ON!!!

25 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:39:07pm

re: #22 Idle Drifter

Though I like the idea of unicorns and dragons being real. It would make for some interesting National Geographic articles and shows.


There are several "real" discovery channel shows. I'll try to find the names for you.

26 makeitstop  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:40:25pm

Feel-good story of the day: Rupert's Worst Nightmare Come True?
Guardian's Nick Davies comes to U.S.

Here's Rupert Murdoch's worst nightmare: Nick Davies, the tenacious investigative reporter for the Guardian who has broken much of the Hackinggate story, comes to the U.S. in search of News Corp. crimes and coverup.

Well, it's come true. Davies arrives in New York today. He'll be there until Friday, and then he's going to Los Angeles in pursuit of hacking-type practices that might have been carried out on U.S. soil by Murdoch’s U.S. reporters, by his U.K. reporters working in the U.S., or by private detectives hired by News Corp.

I want Davies to fins something for two reasons - 1) To make Murdoch's life miserable, and 2) to show every so-called 'journalist' in this country how their job is supposed to be done.

27 austin_blue  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:41:15pm

re: #6 ggt

Thar be dragons?

No! *Thar* be dragons .

28 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:41:42pm

Google Image search for "flaming nostrils" brings up this:

Image: flamingnostrilsbygluk32.jpg

29 makeitstop  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:41:52pm

re: #23 albusteve

maybe...jury's still out...Frank was a true nut, I mean he fired Lowell George

FZ was into those guys who played 900 MPH like Steve Vai. I never understood what a soulful player like Lowell was doing there in the first place.

30 elizajane  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:42:08pm

Feel Goos Story of the Day II: Gabriel Giffords returns to congress to vote on debt ceiling deal! My heroine.

“I have closely followed the debate over our debt ceiling and have been deeply disappointed at what’s going on in Washington,” Giffords said in a written statement. “After weeks of failed debate in Washington, I was pleased to see a solution to this crisis emerge. I strongly believe that crossing the aisle for the good of the American people is more important than party politics. I had to be here for this vote. I could not take the chance that my absence could crash our economy.”

Read more: [Link: www.politico.com...]

31 jvic  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:43:26pm

re: #19 Charleston Chew

Also, dinosaur farts must have been particularly explosive.

Kent's pseudoscholarly demeanor is essential to get his target audience to suspend their natural reservations.

He knows that if he says that dinosaurs fart through their noses, the jig is up.

32 The Yankee  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:43:56pm

I wonder where this is going to go? hmmmmm

33 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:46:37pm

Very funny!

Ok, I don't get the point of Kent's first bit with the giant bugs. There still are giant bugs in the Amazon. There's tarantulas the size of dinner plates, quite literally, with a leg span of about a foot. They call them "bird eaters." Arachnophes need not look. And while not exactly 2 feet, the Titan Beetle is the size of a person's hand. (Again, don't click if large bugs creep you out.)

34 The Yankee  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:47:16pm

I hope the picture of her where that LGF shirt doesn't become too popular.

35 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:49:50pm

re: #29 makeitstop

FZ was into those guys who played 900 MPH like Steve Vai. I never understood what a soulful player like Lowell was doing there in the first place.

rumor was that Frank enjoyed Lowells quirky attitude toward life and music, but Lowell had aspirations and when he brought 'Willin' to Frank to possibly record, Frank fired him on the spot....he did not allow any of his players to speak or think for themselves...George, of course, went on to form Little Feat and the rest is history...LF was immediately beloved by almost everybody and Frank sunk into his weird little niche, with only extremely diehard fans to pay his way...

36 Spocomptonite  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:51:04pm

re: #33 marjoriemoon

Very funny!

Ok, I don't get the point of Kent's first bit with the giant bugs. There still are giant bugs in the Amazon. There's tarantulas the size of dinner plates, quite literally, with a leg span of about a foot. They call them "bird eaters." Arachnophes need not look. And while not exactly 2 feet, the Titan Beetle is the size of a person's hand. (Again, don't click if large bugs creep you out.)

What's even creepier about the titan beetle is no one has ever seen its larvae, and it is estimated to be at least a foot long. Holy crap, where are they hiding?! ///

37 dragonfire1981  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:51:23pm

Ok can someone fill me in: what was the great creationist LGF exodus?

38 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:52:38pm

Charles came downs squarely on the side of Evolution and we found there were some rabid Creationists posting. Some flame wars--typical stuff and many left, many got banned.

39 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:52:44pm

re: #37 dragonfire1981

Ok can someone fill me in: what was the great creationist LGF exodus?

it's a myth...people come and go for every reason, every debate

40 Idle Drifter  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:52:46pm

re: #34 The Yankee

I hope the picture of her where that LGF shirt doesn't become too popular.

I've already posted a link about that T-shirt and video. Charles replied that it was her goading for her site's victory in most popular conservative blog pole. Yeah, I hate that picture for all new reasons.

41 Spocomptonite  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:53:19pm

re: #37 dragonfire1981

Ok can someone fill me in: what was the great creationist LGF exodus?

Whatever are you talking about? LGF doesn't evolve, it was created as it is today. ///

42 The Yankee  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:54:09pm

re: #33 marjoriemoon

Very funny!

Ok, I don't get the point of Kent's first bit with the giant bugs. There still are giant bugs in the Amazon. There's tarantulas the size of dinner plates, quite literally, with a leg span of about a foot. They call them "bird eaters." Arachnophes need not look. And while not exactly 2 feet, the Titan Beetle is the size of a person's hand. (Again, don't click if large bugs creep you out.)

I think researcher have made insects such as roaches and beetles 10-20% bigger simply by putting them in a environment that has an higher percentage of CO2 then normal. I know they did it with plants.

43 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:55:15pm

Ripley's old pictures.

How do you hold something with your ear?

#11

44 Spocomptonite  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:55:45pm

re: #42 The Yankee

I think researcher have made insects such as roaches and beetles 10-20% bigger simply by putting them in a environment that has an higher percentage of CO2 then normal. I know they did it with plants.

Uh, insects breathe oxygen...

45 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:56:00pm

re: #44 Spocomptonite

Uh, insects breathe oxygen...

Was wondering . . . .

46 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:56:37pm

re: #38 ggt

Charles came downs squarely on the side of Evolution and we found there were some rabid Creationists posting. Some flame wars--typical stuff and many left, many got banned.

I don't recall any 'great creationists exodus'

47 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:58:33pm

re: #46 albusteve

I don't recall any 'great creationists exodus'

Charles does. If you don't remember, maybe you should leave the question for him to answer?

48 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 4:59:04pm

re: #46 albusteve

I don't recall any 'great creationists exodus'

Yeah, there were many threads, conversations and debate.

I think it was about the time the Ark Park (or whatever it is called) was built in Kentucky. Can't be for sure tho. It was a while ago.

Charles posted a lot about the creationists trying to take over school boards etc. I learned a lot.

49 Spocomptonite  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:00:07pm

re: #33 marjoriemoon

Very funny!

Ok, I don't get the point of Kent's first bit with the giant bugs. There still are giant bugs in the Amazon. There's tarantulas the size of dinner plates, quite literally, with a leg span of about a foot. They call them "bird eaters." Arachnophes need not look. And while not exactly 2 feet, the Titan Beetle is the size of a person's hand. (Again, don't click if large bugs creep you out.)

Seriously more creepy, I just found out that Titan beetles don't eat. All their food they eat (which we still don't know exactly what it is) as larvae (that we've never seen) and then pupate into their stomach-less beetle form just to reproduce and then die.

50 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:00:14pm

re: #47 McSpiff

Charles does. If you don't remember, maybe you should leave the question for him to answer?

I'm not asking any questions...there was no great exodus, that's pretty grand and misleading

51 The Yankee  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:00:18pm

re: #44 Spocomptonite

Uh, insects breathe oxygen...

Yea I got it backwards after looking it up. They are looking at how much CO2 regular plants can take in.
And as far as the Giant bugs go:

The giant dragonflies of ancient Earth with wingspans of up to 70 centimeters (28 inches) are generally attributed to higher oxygen atmospheric levels in the atmosphere in the past. New experiments in raising modern insects in various oxygen-enriched atmospheres have confirmed that dragonflies grow bigger with more oxygen, or hyperoxia.

But in the end of day it takes large amounts of CO2 for there to be larger plants that make large amounts of O2........I think...

52 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:00:25pm

re: #42 The Yankee

I think researcher have made insects such as roaches and beetles 10-20% bigger simply by putting them in a environment that has an higher percentage of CO2 then normal. I know they did it with plants.

Ok. I don't have a lot of knowledge in this area! (Or even Titan beetle larvae. Yikes!) But what is Kent saying? Bugs were bigger before the flood? Because of the flood? And dinosaurs didn't exist because they couldn't breath? Or dragons existed as dinosaurs with tiny nostrils? Creationism seems very confusing.

53 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:01:39pm

re: #52 marjoriemoon

Ok. I don't have a lot of knowledge in this area! (Or even Titan beetle larvae. Yikes!) But what is Kent saying? Bugs were bigger before the flood? Because of the flood? And dinosaurs didn't exist because they couldn't breath? Or dragons existed as dinosaurs with tiny nostrils? Creationism seems very confusing.

It's supposed to be. How else can they get dupe people into "donating" their money?

54 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:01:41pm

re: #49 Spocomptonite

Seriously more creepy, I just found out that Titan beetles don't eat. All their food they eat (which we still don't know exactly what it is) as larvae (that we've never seen) and then pupate into their stomach-less beetle form just to reproduce and then die.

I'm going to watch something seriously funny before bed to get that outa my head.

55 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:01:42pm

re: #48 ggt

Yeah, there were many threads, conversations and debate.

I think it was about the time the Ark Park (or whatever it is called) was built in Kentucky. Can't be for sure tho. It was a while ago.

Charles posted a lot about the creationists trying to take over school boards etc. I learned a lot.

but that's not what the poster referred to...I was here for all that and don't recall a major flock of people leaving or banned

56 makeitstop  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:01:46pm

re: #41 Spocomptonite

Whatever are you talking about? LGF doesn't evolve, it was created as it is today. ///

6,000 years ago, to be precise.
/

57 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:02:02pm

re: #50 albusteve

I'm not asking any questions...there was no great exodus, that's pretty grand and misleading

There was.

58 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:02:49pm

re: #50 albusteve

I'm not asking any questions...there was no great exodus, that's pretty grand and misleading

Matches my memory post-Dover. I'd probably avoid calling Charles "grand and misleading" but that's just me...

59 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:03:19pm

re: #55 albusteve

but that's not what the poster referred to...I was here for all that and don't recall a major flock of people leaving or banned

You mean Charles:

Once again I’m traveling, rambling through the countryside, searching for the elusive Crocoduck.

No sign of the Crocoduck yet, but here’s a video featuring a whacked out creationist who actually used to post comments at LGF before flouncing away in the Great Creationist LGF Exodus

60 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:03:28pm

re: #55 albusteve

but that's not what the poster referred to...I was here for all that and don't recall a major flock of people leaving or banned

There was. You may have noticed there are no creationists here now?

61 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:04:01pm

re: #58 McSpiff

Matches my memory post-Dover. I'd probably avoid calling Charles "grand and misleading" but that's just me...

he didn't say that, ggt did...are you behind?

62 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:04:16pm

I was really shocked at some of the people who left.

63 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:04:43pm

re: #59 ggt

You mean Charles:

okay...my bad

64 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:05:39pm

re: #61 albusteve

he didn't say that, ggt did...are you behind?

Steve, you might want to read the thread at the top of this page...

From Charles's thread at the top of this page:

Epic Creationist Fails: Dinosaurs with Flaming Nostrils
How creationists ‘think’
Charles Johnson
WINGNUTS • Mon Aug 1, 2011 at 4:05 pm PDT • Views: 1,119

Once again I’m traveling, rambling through the countryside, searching for the elusive Crocoduck.

No sign of the Crocoduck yet, but here’s a video featuring a whacked out creationist who actually used to post comments at LGF before flouncing away in the Great Creationist LGF Exodus — Richard L. Kent, Esq.

65 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:06:41pm

re: #55 albusteve

but that's not what the poster referred to...I was here for all that and don't recall a major flock of people leaving or banned

Hmmm... this may have more to do with beer consumption, but that's just a wild guess.

66 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:06:50pm

re: #64 McSpiff

Steve, you might want to read the thread at the top of this page...

From Charles's thread at the top of this page:

my mistake

67 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:07:10pm

Animals want attention.

bbiab

68 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:08:09pm

re: #65 marjoriemoon

Hmmm... this may have more to do with beer consumption, but that's just a wild guess.

if CJ calls it a grand exodus, I won't argue...all these exodus's look the same

69 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:08:17pm

re: #46 albusteve

I don't recall any 'great creationists exodus'

This was the thread that started it all.

/all right! Movement of Jah People. OOoouuh YEAaah!

70 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:09:27pm

re: #69 goddamnedfrank

This was the thread that started it all.

/all right! Movement of Jah People. OOoouuh YEAaah!

2357 comments...those were the days

71 Charleston Chew  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:10:28pm

re: #69 goddamnedfrank

This was the thread that started it all.

/all right! Movement of Jah People. OOoouuh YEAaah!

Wow, 2357 comments. Holy human interaction, Batman!

72 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:10:36pm

re: #68 albusteve

re: #69 goddamnedfrank

hehe I don't remember the pinpointing of it. It was something that built up over time, as I recall. But Steve, it was pretty huge. Probably as huge as the Euro-fascist, anti-jihad exodus.

73 Spocomptonite  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:10:53pm

re: #54 marjoriemoon

I'm going to watch something seriously funny before bed to get that outa my head.

Well, to be fair, they're like the mayflies and cicadas, who come up above water/ground for a few hours just to mate before they die of starvation. But then, we can find their larvae, and they're not even that big. There's godzilla larvae the size of small pythons in the South American rainforest and we can't find them. Are they invisible? Oh my god, are they behind me right now?

74 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:11:43pm

re: #71 Charleston Chew

Wow, 2357 comments. Holy human interaction, Batman!

lol You crack me up, Ms. Chew!

75 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:12:09pm

re: #72 marjoriemoon

re: #69 goddamnedfrank

hehe I don't remember the pinpointing of it. It was something that built up over time, as I recall. But Steve, it was pretty huge. Probably as huge as the Euro-fascist, anti-jihad exodus.

yes, the debate was huge...I just don't recall the bannings and flounces

76 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:12:55pm

re: #73 Spocomptonite

Well, to be fair, they're like the mayflies and cicadas, who come up above water/ground for a few hours just to mate before they die of starvation. But then, we can find their larvae, and they're not even that big. There's godzilla larvae the size of small pythons in the South American rainforest and we can't find them. Are they invisible? Oh my god, are they behind me right now?

Maybe you just pinpointed it. Food for the giant rodents. (This isn't getting any better, you know.)

77 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:14:14pm

re: #69 goddamnedfrank

This was the thread that started it all.

/all right! Movement of Jah People. OOoouuh YEAaah!

OH GOD, MANDY MANNERS.

78 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:14:47pm

re: #75 albusteve

yes, the debate was huge...I just don't recall the bannings and flounces

No, I meant that, the exodus.

I hung out in the chat room mostly during that time. Wench went there, too. It was fun. Sometimes aggravating, but fun.

79 joe90  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:15:28pm

Dragon : Are you old enough.

80 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:16:09pm

Also not widely known, Bigfoots evolved their oversized feet because they used them canoes, allowing them to survive the flood.

Thats a fact!

81 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:18:00pm

Ugh, read enough.

82 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:18:17pm

re: #78 marjoriemoon

No, I meant that, the exodus.

I hung out in the chat room mostly during that time. Wench went there, too. It was fun. Sometimes aggravating, but fun.

I'm thinking of long time posters that were banner or flounced...I just don't recall, but I take your word for it

83 Charleston Chew  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:19:00pm

re: #69 goddamnedfrank

This was the thread that started it all.

/all right! Movement of Jah People. OOoouuh YEAaah!

After reading a few comments, I had to check the date - Apr 20, 2008. Then it made sense. Any posting before 2009 is from the Mirror Universe LGF©

Also, my hat's off to zombie.

84 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:19:23pm

re: #80 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Also not widely known, Bigfoots evolved their oversized feet because they used them canoes, allowing them to survive the flood.

Thats a fact!

Pfft. I've heard that before.

85 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:20:18pm

re: #83 Charleston Chew

After reading a few comments, I had to check the date - Apr 20, 2008. Then it made sense. Any posting before 2009 is from the Mirror Universe LGF©

Also, my hat's off to zombie.

why?

86 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:20:54pm

re: #83 Charleston Chew

After reading a few comments, I had to check the date - Apr 20, 2008. Then it made sense. Any posting before 2009 is from the Mirror Universe LGF©

Also, my hat's off to zombie.

Read some of Zombie's other writings. Très depressing.

87 Charleston Chew  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:21:27pm

re: #85 albusteve

why?

I suspect many of the updings and downdings would be the opposite if those same comments were posted here today.

88 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:22:23pm

re: #83 Charleston Chew

After reading a few comments, I had to check the date - Apr 20, 2008. Then it made sense. Any posting before 2009 is from the Mirror Universe LGF©

Also, my hat's off to zombie.

Well you know what they say. The bigger they are, the harder they fall.

89 Charleston Chew  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:22:31pm

re: #85 albusteve

why?

Oh, did you mean the zombie comment? I meant because they were sticking up for science.

90 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:22:38pm

re: #87 Charleston Chew

I suspect many of the updings and downdings would be the opposite if those same comments were posted here today.

zombie was a liar and a fraud...I don't know about dings

91 Spocomptonite  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:24:08pm

re: #77 Stanley Sea

OH GOD, MANDY MANNERS.

As someone who wasn't here back then, that was kind of a culture shock compared to now.

My favorite part, though, was the user 'zombie' and their string of posts.
They go on, about how Ben Stein and this movie, and ID in general, have no basis in science at all. And they downdinged big-time.
Then, after all their appeals to pro-science, they say this:

"You are correct as well. Global Warming is a complete fraud, and essentially cult. But attacking global warming in no way resuscitates the accuracy of creationism."

Uh, what happened to science?

92 Charleston Chew  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:24:30pm

re: #90 albusteve

zombie was a liar and a fraud...I don't know about dings

I meant my hat's off only for what I read on that comment page. I don't know anything else about zombie.

93 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:25:45pm

re: #84 marjoriemoon

Pfft. I've heard that before.

New scientific evidence points to the serpent in the Garden of Eden actually being a chupacabra.

94 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:25:59pm

Wow. Some of those names ring as bell. Evening Honcos.

95 Charleston Chew  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:26:20pm

re: #91 Spocomptonite

As someone who wasn't here back then, that was kind of a culture shock compared to now.

My favorite part, though, was the user 'zombie' and their string of posts.
They go on, about how Ben Stein and this movie, and ID in general, have no basis in science at all. And they downdinged big-time.
Then, after all their appeals to pro-science, they say this:

Uh, what happened to science?

Oh I missed that one. I take it all back now.

96 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:27:03pm

re: #89 Charleston Chew

Oh, did you mean the zombie comment? I meant because they were sticking up for science.

Zombie had a real nasty parting here. I think what it goes to show is the really diverse mix of folks and thought that existed here and not in other blogs. Least that's why I always stuck around. Well, until it all went horribly wrong. lol But so it goes. I think it's a much more interesting place and less hostile now anyway.

97 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:27:45pm

re: #39 albusteve

it's a myth...people come and go for every reason, every debate

Oh, come on. People may come and go for every reason, but they would come from miles around to scream about evolution, or the lack thereof.

98 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:28:08pm

re: #91 Spocomptonite

As someone who wasn't here back then, that was kind of a culture shock compared to now.

My favorite part, though, was the user 'zombie' and their string of posts.
They go on, about how Ben Stein and this movie, and ID in general, have no basis in science at all. And they downdinged big-time.
Then, after all their appeals to pro-science, they say this:

Uh, what happened to science?

You can search for that person's website. Read there, then you'll get it.

99 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:29:06pm

re: #46 albusteve

I don't recall any 'great creationists exodus'

It was smaller than the Great Post-Obama Flounce, true. But we'd lose people on those evolution threads.

100 Spocomptonite  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:29:12pm

re: #95 Charleston Chew

Oh I missed that one. I take it all back now.

Give it instead to present user Freetoken, who got -17 just for saying Global warming is not cult-like.

101 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:29:19pm

re: #93 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

New scientific evidence points to the serpent in the Garden of Eden actually being a chupacabra.

LOL In Cuba? God's a communist.

102 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:29:19pm

re: #97 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, come on. People may come and go for every reason, but they would come from miles around to scream about evolution, or the lack thereof.

I never said they didn't

103 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:30:37pm

re: #99 SanFranciscoZionist

It was smaller than the Great Post-Obama Flounce, true. But we'd lose people on those evolution threads.

Big time!

104 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:30:47pm

re: #101 marjoriemoon

LOL In Cuba? God's a communist.

It explains Santa being Russian;

105 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:30:55pm

re: #69 goddamnedfrank

This was the thread that started it all.

/all right! Movement of Jah People. OOoouuh YEAaah!

Wow memory lane. I had 148 posts or relies in that one, and only remember a few of the now gone protagonists. I wish they would come back and tell us what they have learned in the last 3 years.

106 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:32:09pm

re: #99 SanFranciscoZionist

It was smaller than the Great Post-Obama Flounce, true. But we'd lose people on those evolution threads.

It was a pretty steady rate on any GW or Evolution thread, at least 3-4 would drop out.

107 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:33:38pm

Fun thread. One person got dinged down five times for posting "I guess too many people won Ben Stein's money."

108 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:34:05pm

re: #106 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It was a pretty steady rate on any GW or Evolution thread, at least 3-4 would drop out.

yet we are still here...
FIST BUMP!

109 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:34:46pm

re: #55 albusteve

but that's not what the poster referred to...I was here for all that and don't recall a major flock of people leaving or banned

I was here, too, Steve, and I recall a good number of folks leaving, and then being banned, but without all the Great Flouncing that happened after the election.

110 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:35:03pm

re: #107 SanFranciscoZionist

Fun thread. One person got dinged down five times for posting "I guess too many people won Ben Stein's money."

lol :D

111 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:36:26pm

re: #109 reine.de.tout

I was here, too, Steve, and I recall a good number of folks leaving, and then being banned, but without all the Great Flouncing that happened after the election.

I concede...the last three years are not perfectly clear to me...I had my own problems

112 The Yankee  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:36:41pm

It is insane for people to treat each other like that for simply having a slightly different opinion and not liking Ben Stein. It was tribal like almost. Don't be different don't stick out.

113 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:36:50pm

re: #111 albusteve

I concede...the last three years are not perfectly clear to me...I had my own problems

You did, indeed.

114 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:37:52pm

re: #112 The Yankee

It is insane for people to treat each other like that for simply having a slightly different opinion and not liking Ben Stein. It was tribal like almost. Don't be different don't stick out.

LOL.
There's still a lot of tribal dinging that goes on.
It just goes a different way now.

115 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:38:19pm

re: #109 reine.de.tout

I was here, too, Steve, and I recall a good number of folks leaving, and then being banned, but without all the Great Flouncing that happened after the election.

Did I tell you that Le Roi's company hired one of my friends? Assuming he's still with them

116 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:38:19pm

re: #112 The Yankee

It is insane for people to treat each other like that for simply having a slightly different opinion and not liking Ben Stein. It was tribal like almost. Don't be different don't stick out.

Slightly different opinion??

117 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:38:45pm

re: #115 McSpiff

Did I tell you that Le Roi's company hired one of my friends? Assuming he's still with them

Seriously?

Here in La., or up there where you are?

118 Charleston Chew  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:39:23pm

re: #114 reine.de.tout

LOL.
There's still a lot of tribal dinging that goes on.
It just goes a different way now.

I'll upding this comment as soon as few other people do.

119 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:40:21pm

re: #118 Charleston Chew

I'll upding this comment as soon as few other people do.

I'm afraid you'll be waiting awhile.
Best to move on and not hold your breath.

120 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:40:31pm

re: #118 Charleston Chew

I'll upding this comment as soon as few other people do.

I updinged her! Your turn!

121 The Yankee  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:40:46pm

re: #116 Naso Tang

Slightly different opinion??

There were people that were saying they liked Ben Stein in every other way but didn't like his position on ID. Also most of these people were right wingers. So I would say they had a slightly different opinion from each other and got ate alive for it.

122 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:41:10pm

re: #118 Charleston Chew

I'll upding this comment as soon as few other people do.

Aw fuck, I just dinged to show my bipartisanship. :)

123 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:41:12pm

re: #120 rwdflynavy

I updinged her! Your turn!

The gauntlet has been thrown . . .

124 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:41:57pm

Things just are what they are, ya know?

I'm happy to be here regardless of how the dinging goes.

125 Charleston Chew  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:42:22pm

re: #123 reine.de.tout

The gauntlet has been thrown . . .

Okay, it's got 4 dings. I'm in.

126 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:42:28pm

re: #117 reine.de.tout

Seriously?

Here in La., or up there where you are?

Northern Alberta. But they already him to Houston and he'll be going to OK for a few months. He's loved it so far.

O ya, I don't think you were around this morning... but I got work too! Off to ottawa for me.

127 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:42:35pm

re: #114 reine.de.tout

LOL.
There's still a lot of tribal dinging that goes on.
It just goes a different way now.

Did you look at the early dings in that thread? There were like 20 plus and 21 negative in some. Amazing.

128 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:43:07pm

re: #125 Charleston Chew

Okay, it's got 4 dings. I'm in.

Let's go for Top 10! Who's with me!!

129 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:43:16pm

re: #126 McSpiff

Northern Alberta. But they already him to Houston and he'll be going to OK for a few months. He's loved it so far.

O ya, I don't think you were around this morning... but I got work too! Off to ottawa for me.

YAY FOR YOU!

Yeah, Houston is HQ and training. Congrats to you and your friend!

130 Idle Drifter  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:43:47pm

re: #121 The Yankee

Got to toe that line or be declared a RINO.

131 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:44:05pm

re: #127 Naso Tang

Did you look at the early dings in that thread? There were like 20 plus and 21 negative in some. Amazing.

Naw, I didn't go back and look. I remember it all too well.
That, and then when Killgore started going after the tea parties, which got me looking into the local tea party bidness.

132 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:44:31pm

re: #119 reine.de.tout

I'm afraid you'll be waiting awhile.
Best to move on and not hold your breath.

heh...so true
people are really obsessed with their ding power

133 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:45:00pm

re: #131 reine.de.tout

Naw, I didn't go back and look. I remember it all too well.
That, and then when Killgore started going after the tea parties, which got me looking into the local tea party bidness.

That thread was not KT's friend.

134 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:45:04pm

Speaking of Science;

A sound science curriculum

The State Board of Education unanimously voted on July 22 to approve supplemental school materials that upheld evolution in the middle school curriculum. To the dismay of creationists, the board rejected materials detailing so-called “alternatives to evolution” for public schools. Texas schoolchildren are now guaranteed a sound science curriculum for the rest of this decade.

The board, dominated by conservative Republicans and many evangelical Christians opposed to evolution, has been no stranger to controversy. It made national headlines early last year when it approved changes to the social studies, history and economics curricula that emphasized conservative political philosophies. Some of those changes included referring to the U.S. government as a “constitutional republic” in lieu of “democratic republic” and mandating the word “capitalism” in economics textbooks be changed to the more euphonious “free-enterprise system”.

135 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:45:35pm

re: #129 reine.de.tout

YAY FOR YOU!

Yeah, Houston is HQ and training. Congrats to you and your friend!

Thank you kindly. I'm really looking forward to it. Should be a good change.

136 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:45:51pm

re: #130 Idle Drifter

Got to toe that line or be declared a RINO.

OMG.
I looked at some right-wing sites that I used to read regularly. I just came across them yesterday while clicking through different things.

There's a new term now - CINO - Conservative in Name Only. There's an entire huge cadre of people out there for whom places like NationalReview and people like David Frum are not conservative enough. It was an eye-opener.

137 The Yankee  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:45:58pm

re: #131 reine.de.tout

The name "Killgore" always seem to be to be some sort of a threat to Gore's life. I guess it really met something else.

138 bratwurst  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:46:58pm

Another difference between then and now is that many of the deleted comments had high karma while today's deleted comments frequently show negative karma. Make of this what you will.

139 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:47:01pm

re: #132 albusteve

heh...so true
people are really obsessed with their ding power

True for many. Maybe even me.

140 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:47:17pm

re: #133 Cannadian Club Akbar

That thread was not KT's friend.

I learned quick about KT and I love him to pieces...if he's on to something, it's well worth your attention, if you are a LGF junkie....he has a very keen, long range insight

141 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:47:22pm

re: #121 The Yankee

There were people that were saying they liked Ben Stein in every other way but didn't like his position on ID. Also most of these people were right wingers. So I would say they had a slightly different opinion from each other and got ate alive for it.

You weren't there. Go back and read some of it. Ben Stein was a deadpan comedian with some enetrtaining qualities, none of which related to his intelligence.

The thread, about his movie, was about his crass stupidity and proven dishonesty while creating it.

142 Inconsequential Consequence  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:47:35pm

Any chance we could start an evolution argument, I haven't been in a good one for years.

143 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:47:35pm

re: #137 The Yankee

The name "Killgore" always seem to be to be some sort of a threat to Gore's life. I guess it really met something else.

This maybe?
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

144 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:47:46pm

PIMF, again.

145 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:48:28pm

re: #137 The Yankee

The name "Killgore" always seem to be to be some sort of a threat to Gore's life. I guess it really met something else.

It's a Kurt Vonnegut book character. 'Cept Killgore stunk when he registered and misspelled it.

146 Inconsequential Consequence  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:48:28pm

re: #139 reine.de.tout

True for many. Maybe even me.

I love my dinger, and I use it almost every day.

147 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:48:28pm

re: #139 reine.de.tout

True for many. Maybe even me.

you get an exemption

148 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:48:29pm

re: #142 b_sharp

Any chance we could start an evolution argument, I haven't been in a good one for years.

Show me one species that has ever evolved into another?
Irreducibly complex. etc.
//
Your turn!

149 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:48:47pm

re: #146 b_sharp

I love my dinger, and I use it almost every day.

aw.
I think that might be TMI.
But it's cute anyhow.

150 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:48:57pm

re: #142 b_sharp

Any chance we could start an evolution argument, I haven't been in a good one for years.

okbuticantuseaspacebarbecauseihavenoopposablethumbsyet
/

151 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:49:06pm

re: #147 albusteve

you get an exemption

{{Steve}}

152 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:49:08pm

re: #146 b_sharp

I love my dinger, and I use it almost every day.

TMI!
//

153 The Yankee  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:49:09pm

re: #141 Naso Tang

He did work for either Reagan or Nixon right?

154 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:50:15pm

re: #150 Cannadian Club Akbar

okbuticantuseaspacebarbecauseihavenoopposablethumb syet
/

And also
somethingabouttheeyeball

155 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:50:33pm

re: #135 McSpiff

Thank you kindly. I'm really looking forward to it. Should be a good change.

Texas?...heh

156 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:50:48pm

re: #140 albusteve

I learned quick about KT and I love him to pieces...if he's on to something, it's well worth your attention, if you are a LGF junkie...he has a very keen, long range insight

Absolutely positively yes.

157 Inconsequential Consequence  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:50:55pm

re: #148 rwdflynavy

Show me one species that has ever evolved into another?
Irreducibly complex. etc.
//
Your turn!

Tiktaalik, hominids, equines, cetaceans.

Steven Gould, Richard Dawkins, ERVs.

158 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:51:19pm

re: #157 b_sharp

Tiktaalik, hominids, equines, cetaceans.

Steven Gould, Richard Dawkins, ERVs.

Dammit!
//

159 Inconsequential Consequence  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:51:27pm

re: #150 Cannadian Club Akbar

okbuticantuseaspacebarbecauseihavenoopposablethumb syet
/

Sure. What's that in your nose?

160 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:51:32pm

re: #135 McSpiff

Thank you kindly. I'm really looking forward to it. Should be a good change.

Can you tell us any about your job?

161 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:51:42pm

re: #142 b_sharp

Any chance we could start an evolution argument, I haven't been in a good one for years.

your mother was a raddish

162 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:51:43pm

From Reverse Taqiyya, and I think this sums up the real argument:

What difference does it make? Seriously?"

In a word: EVERYTHING


If you believe you evolved from primordial goo, and will return to goo after you die, then what happens in the middle doesn't matter.

In law, Legal Positivism, or 'positive law' claims that ultimate authority rests with the State. Since most evolutionists believe that God is a mythical being, and the idea for natural law is legal fiction, man must rely on his reason to to discern what is legal.

Evolutionists like Hitler, Stalin, and others, used positive law in the last century alone to MURDER millions, passing laws to eliminate Jews, gypsies, the sick, landowners, Christians, or anyone they had an urge to destroy.


Does it matter? You bet it does, and the body count in the last century alone proves it.

That was the core issue, I think.

163 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:51:51pm

re: #155 albusteve

Texas?...heh

Me? God no. Ottawa for me. Friend was in Texas, working for the same outfit as Reine's husband.

164 simoom  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:52:02pm

I hadn't noticed this bit about the debt-ceiling deal before:

[Link: swampland.time.com...]

And just to ensure we don’t have another bruising government shutdown fight over cuts in September, the deal deems and passes the 2012 budget.

Whoever made sure that was in the package -- good work. Without the threat of another gov't shutdown hanging over everyone's heads it should be much easier to hold to the promise of vetoing any extension of the 2001/2003 tax cuts, which will encourage the joint-congressional committee to take them off the table with broad tax reform.

165 Inconsequential Consequence  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:52:33pm

re: #154 reine.de.tout

And also
somethingabouttheeyeball

Cephalapods built correct, mammal's built backwards.

166 Inconsequential Consequence  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:53:19pm

re: #161 albusteve

your mother was a raddish

She still is.

167 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:53:42pm

re: #153 The Yankee

He did work for either Reagan or Nixon right?

I have no idea. If he did they were stupid too. Wait..

168 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:54:43pm

re: #163 McSpiff

Me? God no. Ottawa for me. Friend was in Texas, working for the same outfit as Reine's husband.

I got mixed up...I was thinking how interesting your insight would be, coming down here to live...Ottawa can't be bad tho, good for you

169 The Yankee  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:54:52pm

re: #167 Naso Tang

I have no idea. If he did they were stupid too. Wait..

You are lucky you didn't say that 3 years ago.

170 Inconsequential Consequence  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:54:56pm

re: #162 SanFranciscoZionist

From Reverse Taqiyya, and I think this sums up the real argument:

What difference does it make? Seriously?"

In a word: EVERYTHING


If you believe you evolved from primordial goo, and will return to goo after you die, then what happens in the middle doesn't matter.

In law, Legal Positivism, or 'positive law' claims that ultimate authority rests with the State. Since most evolutionists believe that God is a mythical being, and the idea for natural law is legal fiction, man must rely on his reason to to discern what is legal.

Evolutionists like Hitler, Stalin, and others, used positive law in the last century alone to MURDER millions, passing laws to eliminate Jews, gypsies, the sick, landowners, Christians, or anyone they had an urge to destroy.


Does it matter? You bet it does, and the body count in the last century alone proves it.

That was the core issue, I think.

Yah, sure, and the banana was designed by god just for us.

171 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:55:03pm

re: #166 b_sharp

She still is.

I'm telling!
you really shouldn't talk about your mom that way

172 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:56:10pm

re: #162 SanFranciscoZionist

Of course, one can take the other approach.

If we only have this one life, where nothing waits for us, then why make yourself or your fellow man suffer needlessly for superstitious nonsense? Wouldn't the most virtuous course of action be to make the most of this life and enrich the lives of others as well?

173 Idle Drifter  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:56:20pm

re: #136 reine.de.tout

OMG.
I looked at some right-wing sites that I used to read regularly. I just came across them yesterday while clicking through different things.

There's a new term now - CINO - Conservative in Name Only. There's an entire huge cadre of people out there for whom places like NationalReview and people like David Frum are not conservative enough. It was an eye-opener.

That reminds me of a few family members. Some of things that would come out of their mouth.

174 Inconsequential Consequence  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:56:48pm

re: #171 reine.de.tout

I'm telling!
you really shouldn't talk about your mom that way

She died 15 years ago, so she's now doing her part to refresh the eco-system.

175 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:56:55pm

re: #162 SanFranciscoZionist

If you believe you evolved from primordial goo, and will return to goo after you die, then what happens in the middle doesn't matter.


I thought it was dust to dust, or was that another religion?

176 simoom  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:57:01pm

re: #164 simoom

the deal deems and passes the 2012 budget

Oh yeah, that reminds me. Anyone else recall the multi-week freak-out during the HCR fight over "Demon Pass" ;-P. Even though it wasn't ultimately used, I even recall Brett Baier haranguing President Obama over it in their FNC interview.

177 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:57:31pm

re: #160 reine.de.tout

Can you tell us any about your job?

Sure. I'm a junior support engineer for Alcatel-Lucent in Ottawa. Which after a bunch of mergers, etc is the old Bell labs and parts of Nortel. The division I'll be working for is more or less the back end stuff for internet on cell phones. Starts out as a support position, moves into planning and deployment for big providers (think AT&T, Verizon).

Its very in line with what I did in school, and I think I really hit it off well with people in the interviews.

re: #168 albusteve

I got mixed up...I was thinking how interesting your insight would be, coming down here to live...Ottawa can't be bad tho, good for you

Thanks, its a nice city. Texas would be fun though, gotta love a little bit of culture shock.

178 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:57:37pm

re: #169 The Yankee

You are lucky you didn't say that 3 years ago.

You are lucky you weren't around 3 years ago.

179 The Yankee  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:57:43pm

re: #173 Idle Drifter

That reminds me of a few family members. Some of things that would come out of their mouth.

Their are no true scotsmen!

180 Inconsequential Consequence  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:57:57pm

BBIAB.

Try to find me a real creationist.

181 JEA62  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:57:58pm

I imagine God sitting on His throne up in Heaven, shaking his head and muttering, "Why the hell didn't I just stop with the damn monkeys? Michael! Tylenol!! Extra strength this time, dammit!"

182 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:58:45pm

re: #170 b_sharp

Yah, sure, and the banana was designed by god just for us.

trying to think of a song...that's a hard one

183 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:59:10pm

re: #172 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Of course, one can take the other approach.

If we only have this one life, where nothing waits for us, then why make yourself or your fellow man suffer needlessly for superstitious nonsense? Wouldn't the most virtuous course of action be to make the most of this life and enrich the lives of others as well?

Or, one can take my approach, which is that if there's one thing history has taught us, it's that people will kill each other for religious reasons, non-religious reasons, no reasons...

184 The Yankee  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:59:47pm

re: #178 Naso Tang

You are lucky you weren't around 3 years ago.

I was I just didn't get involve. I was looking for that big tent the GOP always talked about. I haven't seen it. I heard that it evolved into a closet.

185 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:00:05pm

re: #174 b_sharp

She died 15 years ago, so she's now doing her part to refresh the eco-system.

Oh, I'm sorry.

My mom as well.

186 Charleston Chew  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:00:31pm

re: #162 SanFranciscoZionist



If you believe you evolved from primordial goo, and will return to goo after you die, then what happens in the middle doesn't matter.

I guess I have the opposite take on it from people who think that way: It makes the non-goo stage of life the most important part.

187 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:01:16pm

re: #177 McSpiff

Sure. I'm a junior support engineer for Alcatel-Lucent in Ottawa. Which after a bunch of mergers, etc is the old Bell labs and parts of Nortel. The division I'll be working for is more or less the back end stuff for internet on cell phones. Starts out as a support position, moves into planning and deployment for big providers (think AT&T, Verizon).

Its very in line with what I did in school, and I think I really hit it off well with people in the interviews.

Well you must have, they hired you!
Congrats, it sounds like it will be a great job!

188 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:01:33pm

re: #146 b_sharp

I love my dinger, and I use it almost every day.

Give me a dinger, I'm damn well gonna use it. I cannot stand when people complain about a feature of a blog.

189 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:01:42pm

re: #184 The Yankee

I was I just didn't get involve. I was looking for that big tent the GOP always talked about. I haven't seen it. I heard that it evolved into a closet.

The big tent is right here.

190 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:02:17pm

re: #175 Naso Tang

I thought it was dust to dust, or was that another religion?

Naw, it's the goo vs. dust argument that has people confused, IMO.

191 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:02:43pm

re: #186 Charleston Chew

I guess I have the opposite take on it from people who think that way: It makes the non-goo stage of life the most important part.

It's interesting, though, that you'll find theistic types who insist that atheists don't value human life because we're just goo, and atheists who insist that theists don't value human life, because the here and now is just a rehearsal anyway.

Mostly, people believe that The Other doesn't have Our Values.

192 Charleston Chew  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:03:25pm

re: #175 Naso Tang

I thought it was dust to dust, or was that another religion?

I find that the ancient texts of many religions are often more sensible than the people who claim to follow them.

193 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:03:30pm

re: #182 albusteve

trying to think of a song...that's a hard one

[Video]

I knew that's what that was gonna be, even before I opened it.

194 The Yankee  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:04:54pm

re: #191 SanFranciscoZionist

It's interesting, though, that you'll find theistic types who insist that atheists don't value human life because we're just goo, and atheists who insist that theists don't value human life, because the here and now is just a rehearsal anyway.

Mostly, people believe that The Other doesn't have Our Values.

Mostly the majority of either side is pretty apathetic about the topic for a major part of their lives or their whole lives. While maybe about 1-10% of theist and atheist get involved in these fights.

195 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:06:21pm

So, how is everyone?

196 freetoken  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:06:45pm

re: #142 b_sharp

Any chance we could start an evolution argument, I haven't been in a good one for years.

Creationists are on the critically endangered list here at LGF - haven't seen one in quite a while.

re: #180 b_sharp

BBIAB.

Try to find me a real creationist.

Just go to your nearest tea-party rally, what's left of 'em.

197 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:06:48pm

re: #191 SanFranciscoZionist

It's interesting, though, that you'll find theistic types who insist that atheists don't value human life because we're just goo, and atheists who insist that theists don't value human life, because the here and now is just a rehearsal anyway.

Mostly, people believe that The Other doesn't have Our Values.

I hold the view that most people just want to get through the day, spend some time with their family and friends, do something they enjoy doing, and hope they don't get fucked with by some asshole who thinks they know whats best for them.

I think that's a pretty universal constant for humanity. Anyone who thinks differently is probably one of the aforementioned assholes.

198 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:08:11pm

re: #192 Charleston Chew

I find that the ancient texts of many religions are often more sensible than the people who claim to follow them.

Yeah, but that is because you are interpreting them, not the followers.

199 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:08:20pm

re: #195 ggt

So, how is everyone?

Some folks are trying to instigate an old-fashioned creationism brouhaha.

200 Charleston Chew  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:08:37pm

re: #181 JEA62

I imagine God sitting on His throne up in Heaven, shaking his head and muttering, "Why the hell didn't I just stop with the damn monkeys? Michael! Tylenol!! Extra strength this time, dammit!"

Or, "Some thanks I get for giving those monkeys extra-large brains. They refuse to even use them!"

201 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:10:00pm

re: #196 freetoken

Creationists are on the critically endangered list here at LGF - haven't seen one in quite a while.

Maybe they are not quite as ignorant as they sound?

202 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:11:50pm

re: #197 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I hold the view that most people just want to get through the day, spend some time with their family and friends, do something they enjoy doing, and hope they don't get fucked with by some asshole who thinks they know whats best for them.

I think that's a pretty universal constant for humanity. Anyone who thinks differently is probably one of the aforementioned assholes.

well said

203 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:12:32pm

re: #197 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I hold the view that most people just want to get through the day

QFT

204 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:12:35pm

re: #164 simoom

I hadn't noticed this bit about the debt-ceiling deal before:

[Link: swampland.time.com...]

Whoever made sure that was in the package -- good work. Without the threat of another gov't shutdown hanging over everyone's heads it should be much easier to hold to the promise of vetoing any extension of the 2001/2003 tax cuts, which will encourage the joint-congressional committee to take them off the table with broad tax reform.

Interesting. Is this what we have? I've haven't been looking at it today.

If that's it, then I'll begrudgingly (because of the Bush tax cuts) agree, but I was more worried about Medicare and SS.

205 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:15:26pm

Luckily, I wasn't on the orignial Ben Stein thread. I remember it going on and on and on.

I never understood why both a belief in a "creator" and Evolution were mutually exclusive. Still don't. The RC Church doesn't seem to either.

If the 'creator' is so omni--everything, how are we expected to understand except thru the window of science?

Anyway, all our understanding doesn't seem to make much difference in the political world.

206 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:16:52pm

re: #191 SanFranciscoZionist

It's interesting, though, that you'll find theistic types who insist that atheists don't value human life because we're just goo, and atheists who insist that theists don't value human life, because the here and now is just a rehearsal anyway.

Mostly, people believe that The Other doesn't have Our Values.

The Other being the objectified humans that are "not like us"?

sigh!

207 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:16:54pm

re: #194 The Yankee

Mostly the majority of either side is pretty apathetic about the topic for a major part of their lives or their whole lives. While maybe about 1-10% of theist and atheist get involved in these fights.

The Subject of God and Religion and Texts are so complex and must be viewed by many factors...I believe in God...I don't like religions because they are formed and run by Man.. Heck Religion will hang the Son of God and think nothing of it...The History of religion is appalling...
And I don't like when God is blamed for everything.. For instance..You hear this every day.. Why did God take Grandpa to heaven in that car wreck? No pal..It was a drunk driver..Stop blaming God for all the bad stuff..Or like preachers saying 911 was judgement from God for something we did.. No it was a judgement from OBL...
I really Love Jesus in my heart but that has nothing to do with religion...

208 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:18:33pm

re: #199 reine.de.tout

Some folks are trying to instigate an old-fashioned creationism brouhaha.

Not very successfully however. I think Charles should offer an amnesty just to liven things up.

209 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:20:33pm

Keith Ellison (no vote) just kicked ass on NPR.

Tea Party Republicans, Tea Party Republicans.

210 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:20:39pm

oooooh, look at the beebee!

211 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:22:19pm

This is just messed-up.

212 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:23:04pm

re: #209 Stanley Sea

Keith Ellison (no vote) just kicked ass on NPR.

Tea Party Republicans, Tea Party Republicans.

so that means there will be no default?...shocking

213 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:24:22pm

re: #30 elizajane

Feel Goos Story of the Day II: Gabriel Giffords returns to congress to vote on debt ceiling deal! My heroine.

“I have closely followed the debate over our debt ceiling and have been deeply disappointed at what’s going on in Washington,” Giffords said in a written statement. “After weeks of failed debate in Washington, I was pleased to see a solution to this crisis emerge. I strongly believe that crossing the aisle for the good of the American people is more important than party politics. I had to be here for this vote. I could not take the chance that my absence could crash our economy.”

Read more: [Link: www.politico.com...]

I am very glad to see her well enough to vote and I hope she votes for the compromise.

214 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:24:34pm

re: #208 Naso Tang

Not very successfully however. I think Charles should offer an amnesty just to liven things up.

I think I should post a God Page...It could become a classic.. I like to hear peoples opinion on Religion...Like when Walter talked about books.. Plus we could have flaming fights in the name of peace!
/

215 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:25:06pm

re: #212 albusteve

so that means there will be no default?...shocking

It isn't over yet, but when it is we will still have egg on our face internationally.

216 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:25:44pm

re: #209 Stanley Sea

Keith Ellison (no vote) can kiss my ass.

Tea Party Republicans, Tea Party Republicans.

Fixed, heh.

217 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:26:30pm

yes! yes! yes!

Feds Order Insurers To Cover Birth Control Free Of Charge To Women


Even though the decision was widely expected, there's no denying the news is still a pretty big deal. Today, the Department of Health and Human Services adopted in full the women's health recommendations issued two weeks ago by the independent Institute of Medicine.

"Since birth control is the most common drug prescribed to women ages 18-44, insurance plans should cover it," said HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius in a press briefing. "Not doing it would be like not covering flu shots, or any of the other basic preventive services that millions of other Americans count on every day."

The upshot: Starting a year from now, most new health insurance policies, and eventually almost every policy, will have to offer a comprehensive list of women's preventive health services with no copay or deductible, including all forms of prescription contraception approved by the Food and Drug Administration.

Here's a quick rundown of some of the services:

Screening for gestational diabetes;
Counseling about sexually-transmitted infections;
Support for breast-feeding, including supplies and counseling; and
Domestic violence screening and counseling.

The new rules, however, do take into account the complaints from some conservative and religious groups, by allowing religious organizations that provide health insurance to refrain from offering contraceptive coverage "if that is inconsistent with their tenets.

HHS says that part of its proposal is modeled on the most common exemption used by the 28 states that already require contraceptive coverage to be offered in health insurance policies.

The department, however, is specifically asking the public to comment on that portion of the rules, "as we work to strike the balance between providing access to proven prevention and respecting religious beliefs."

Already the reactions are pouring in.

Some people object to the religious exemption. "The IOM recommendations were based on rigorous scientific research and evidence — but this exemption means that not all women will benefit from these evidence-based recommendations," said Rep. Lois Capps (D-CA), one of the lawmakers who pushed for the inclusion of more women's health services in the health law. "Science should apply to all women, regardless of where she works."

On the other side, Jeanne Monahan, director of the conservative Family Research Council's Center for Human Dignity, said in a statement:

HHS offered a fig leaf of conscience protection for certain churches that fulfill very specific criteria. However, religious groups that provide social services, engage in missions work to people of different religious faiths, religious health insurance companies, let alone religious health care providers and individuals in such health plans are not protected from any discrimination whatever. The new rule will force many Americans to violate their consciences or refrain from participating in health care insurance, further burdening an already costly system.

A clear majority of Americans support the coverage of birth control pills by private insurers, even when government funds are used to defray the expense, a poll by NPR and Thomson Reuters found earlier this year. About three-quarters of Americans believe private insurance, including employer-based policies, should cover all or some of the cost of oral contraceptives. Support was just about the same when people were asked if government assistance was used to make the purchase of insurance more affordable.

218 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:27:01pm

re: #215 Naso Tang

It isn't over yet, but when it is we will still have egg on our face internationally.

who cares about egg?...the GOP saved civilization as we know it

219 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:27:47pm

re: #214 HoosierHoops

I think I should post a God Page...It could become a classic.. I like to hear peoples opinion on Religion...Like when Walter talked about books.. Plus we could have flaming fights in the name of peace!
/

Walter should come back. Maybe we could offer him no downdings for a whole week?

Hear that Walter??

220 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:28:03pm

re: #218 albusteve

who cares about egg?...the GOP saved civilization as we know it

Well Pelosi saved the world..So there

221 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:28:33pm

re: #218 albusteve

who cares about egg?...the GOP saved civilization as we know it

Oooh.

Naah, pass.

222 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:28:43pm

Wow, the Dems split right down the middle on the debt vote. 94 in favor, 95 against.

223 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:28:46pm

I do miss Walter.

224 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:29:01pm

re: #220 HoosierHoops

Well Pelosi saved the world..So there

we owe our lives to the Feds...thank god for them

225 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:30:14pm

re: #209 Stanley Sea

Keith Ellison (no vote) just kicked ass on NPR.

Tea Party Republicans, Tea Party Republicans.

This is my Congresswoman, Frederica Wilson. She likes hats. She was also really awesome on This Week in South Florida last Sunday. It's about 15 minutes.

[Link: www.local10.com...]

226 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:30:34pm

re: #219 Naso Tang

Walter should come back. Maybe we could offer him no downdings for a whole week?

Hear that Walter??

I'd offer him his own Page promoted to the front page, if I could. He doesn't like me much, but I still respect him.

227 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:30:40pm

I wanna be a Fed when I grow up

228 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:31:31pm

The last thing we need right now is more cuts to slow down the economy. This bill is crap.

229 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:34:01pm

re: #209 Stanley Sea

Keith Ellison (no vote) just kicked ass on NPR.

Tea Party Republicans, Tea Party Republicans.

Wait, isn't he the mooslim? How can it be that we have a mooslim in Washington . .


/////////gah!

230 compound idaho  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:34:13pm

re: #215 Naso Tang

It isn't over yet, but when it is we will still have egg on our face internationally.


... and it looks like we will kick the can down the road a bit further...again.

231 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:34:32pm

re: #225 marjoriemoon

This is my Congresswoman, Frederica Wilson. She likes hats. She was also really awesome on This Week in South Florida last Sunday. It's about 15 minutes.

[Link: www.local10.com...]

Damn! She kicked ass too!

232 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:34:37pm

re: #229 ggt

Wait, isn't he the mooslim? How can it be that we have a mooslim in Washington . .

///gah!

Herman Cain hasn't reorganized Congress yet.
/

233 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:34:51pm
234 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:35:16pm

re: #230 compound idaho

... and it looks like we will kick the can down the road a bit further...again.

two words...
elections

235 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:35:35pm

re: #219 Naso Tang

Walter should come back. Maybe we could offer him no downdings for a whole week?

Hear that Walter??

Just stubborn or something .Grump guy sometimes..Knows his stuff..
A couple years ago We were chatting about religion and i quoted an obscure Chinese Christian scholar from a 70 year old book...Dude knew the book instantly, I was floored...Walter is a smart, talented man who has a very soft gentle voice.. But boy he sure could be an asshole to people some times on the blog...

236 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:35:52pm

re: #233 ggt

It starts with Gabrielle Giffords.

She looks beautiful!

237 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:36:53pm

re: #230 compound idaho

... and it looks like we will kick the can down the road a bit further...again.

I don't see that exactly. It is more a matter of who we are passing it to.

238 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:37:19pm

re: #231 Stanley Sea

Damn! She kicked ass too!

I like her. She's a new congresswoman, but she's been in politics awhile. I didn't vote for her LOL But I do like her.

239 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:37:39pm

re: #235 HoosierHoops

Just stubborn or something .Grump guy sometimes..Knows his stuff..
A couple years ago We were chatting about religion and i quoted an obscure Chinese Christian scholar from a 70 year old book...Dude knew the book instantly, I was floored...Walter is a smart, talented man who has a very soft gentle voice.. But boy he sure could be an asshole to people some times on the blog...

It's never good to have more than one curmudgeon on a thread at the same time.

240 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:38:59pm

re: #239 ggt

It's never good to have more than one curmudgeon on a thread at the same time.

We could ask Steve if he would alternate.

241 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:39:15pm
242 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:39:41pm

re: #229 ggt

Wait, isn't he the mooslim? How can it be that we have a mooslim in Washington . .

///gah!

It was in a discussion about Ellison's swearing in that I started to realize how deep the prejudice ran with some folks...

243 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:39:53pm

re: #235 HoosierHoops

Just stubborn or something .Grump guy sometimes..Knows his stuff..
A couple years ago We were chatting about religion and i quoted an obscure Chinese Christian scholar from a 70 year old book...Dude knew the book instantly, I was floored...Walter is a smart, talented man who has a very soft gentle voice.. But boy he sure could be an asshole to people some times on the blog...

I took some lumps early on with Walter.I can still remember one of the first times he agreed with me. It took me a few posts back forth to realize he wasn't being sarcastic this time, he actually agreed... I think?

244 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:40:24pm

re: #239 ggt

It's never good to have more than one curmudgeon on a thread at the same time.

Curmudgeon Page...

245 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:41:16pm

re: #242 SanFranciscoZionist

It was in a discussion about Ellison's swearing in that I started to realize how deep the prejudice ran with some folks...

Amazing, innit? I imagine his presence in Washington must be giving Geller and Spencer fits.

246 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:41:24pm

re: #242 SanFranciscoZionist

It was in a discussion about Ellison's swearing in that I started to realize how deep the prejudice ran with some folks...

I totally don't remember where I stood on it. It seemed so weird to have him swear on the Quran.

Today, I take a "wait and see" attitude towards change. I"m not the one that is going to have to live with the long-term effects.

247 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:41:25pm

brawling is frowned upon....that was then

248 simoom  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:41:55pm

re: #204 marjoriemoon

If that's it, then I'll begrudgingly (because of the Bush tax cuts) agree, but I was more worried about Medicare and SS.

It sounds like Medicare/Medicaid/SS benefits (there's a small triggered Medicare provider-side cut) are protected from the trigger-on-failure cuts, though I imagine reforms/cuts to them may be likely in the whatever the joint-congressional committee comes up with. The Dems can always decide to fall-back to the triggered cuts if they don't care for whatever is proposed, or perhaps even activate the trigger by pushing hard on the revenue side and scuttling any chance of a committee proposal happening at all.

I suppose we won't know till November how this ultimately plays out, but I'm mostly reserving judgement for now.

249 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:42:42pm

re: #245 thedopefishlives

Amazing, innit? I imagine his presence in Washington must be giving Geller and Spencer fits.

That dude has been smeared from here to the moon. Imagine.

250 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:42:43pm

re: #247 albusteve

brawling is frowned upon...that was then

That's never stopped you, Steve. :)

251 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:44:01pm

I miss Cato too! I miss a lot of people.

I've learned a lot here over the years. Much from Lizards who are gone.

252 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:44:09pm

re: #250 Dark_Falcon

That's never stopped you, Steve. :)

Ludwig the Magnificent doesn't post here anymore

254 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:44:19pm

re: #233 ggt

It starts with Gabrielle Giffords.

Awesome speech by Pelosi too.

255 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:45:25pm

re: #251 ggt

I miss Cato too! I miss a lot of people.

I've learned a lot here over the years. Much from Lizards who are gone.

we are playing phone tag at this moment...I talk to him once in a while

256 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:46:05pm

re: #251 ggt

I miss Cato too! I miss a lot of people.

I've learned a lot here over the years. Much from Lizards who are gone.

That was a bad night. I got banned about two posts after Cato...

257 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:46:06pm
258 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:46:11pm

re: #252 albusteve

Ludwig the Magnificent doesn't post here anymore

I think he pops in at odd times--saw him a week or so ago.

259 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:46:16pm

Twitter Strawmen Update: If you find you have a Twitter follower called "Gus 807", block that account at once. It's another Gus imposter, and the way it references LGF's "memory hole" makes it likely the account is stalker-controlled.

260 Inconsequential Consequence  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:46:28pm

re: #182 albusteve

trying to think of a song...that's a hard one

[Video]

Brilliant choice.

261 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:46:47pm

re: #253 Killgore Trout

Ramadan Recipes: Almond Sherbet, Turkish Pizza, Homemade Hummus and More

Hey, don't forget about the Nine Days! It's Vegetarian Week for the Jews.

262 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:47:37pm

re: #261 Alouette

Hey, don't forget about the Nine Days! It's Vegetarian Week for the Jews.

It's always Vegetarian Week for FBV and me!

263 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:47:58pm

re: #257 ggt

Almond Sherbet ---mmm!

Lahmacun Turkish Pizza is looking pretty good too.

264 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:48:29pm

re: #259 Dark_Falcon

Twitter Strawmen Update: If you find you have a Twitter follower called "Gus 807", block that account at once. It's another Gus imposter, and the way it references LGF's "memory hole" makes it likely the account is stalker-controlled.

How do you keep up with all these electronic media/communication tools?

I'm doing well to make a call on my iPhone.

265 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:48:42pm

re: #263 Killgore Trout

Lahmacun Turkish Pizza is looking pretty good too.

It had lamb.

266 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:48:43pm

re: #262 ggt

It's always Vegetarian Week for FBV and me!

What about only eating herbivores? That counts, right?

267 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:48:57pm

re: #247 albusteve

brawling is frowned upon...that was then

To every thing..Turn turn turn

I think it was tone and timing...I mean everybody disagree on stuff..The way a lizard attack means a lot...I remember somebody being banned for calling someone the C word...
The waiting to pounce on every post for any slight..Sometimes I think few ever took a debating class in school....Then passion takes over posts and away we go!
Boy we have seen some fight here haven't we? It sometimes was like a barroom where we got out of the way and let 2 lizards fight it out..Look..one of them has got a knife..watch out!

268 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:49:05pm

re: #259 Dark_Falcon

Twitter Strawmen Update: If you find you have a Twitter follower called "Gus 807", block that account at once. It's another Gus imposter, and the way it references LGF's "memory hole" makes it likely the account is stalker-controlled.

the Gussfather

269 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:49:05pm

re: #252 albusteve

Ludwig the Magnificent doesn't post here anymore

His meds calmed him down too much.

270 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:50:06pm

re: #261 Alouette

It's Vegetarian Week for the Jews.


I can't hear you. My yamaka is full of bacon bits.

271 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:50:25pm

re: #266 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What about only eating herbivores? That counts, right?

No, not even with garlic.

Although I did copy the garlic sauce recipe from the Turkish Pizza.

272 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:50:30pm

re: #266 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What about only eating herbivores? That counts, right?

Tastes like chicken,

273 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:50:36pm

re: #264 ggt

How do you keep up with all these electronic media/communication tools?

I'm doing well to make a call on my iPhone.

When I get a new follower, Twitter sends me an email. I check the new follower's profile and see what they are saying. If they are sane, they stay, if they look like nutcases, strawmen, and Stalkers they get blocked.

274 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:51:03pm

re: #267 HoosierHoops

To every thing..Turn turn turn

I think it was tone and timing...I mean everybody disagree on stuff..The way a lizard attack means a lot...I remember somebody being banned for calling someone the C word...
The waiting to pounce on every post for any slight..Sometimes I think few ever took a debating class in school...Then passion takes over posts and away we go!
Boy we have seen some fight here haven't we? It sometimes was like a barroom where we got out of the way and let 2 lizards fight it out..Look..one of them has got a knife..watch out!

I was on the debate team.

debated once --creationism vs evolutuion.

I took the evolution side.

275 Neutral President  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:51:23pm

re: #269 Naso Tang

His meds calmed him down too much.

There's meds to treat "being such an asshole it undermines all your arguments even when you are 100% correct"-syndrome?

276 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:52:11pm

re: #252 albusteve

Ludwig the Magnificent doesn't post here anymore

I miss Ludwig.

277 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:52:14pm

You're Gonna Miss Me when I'm gone

278 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:52:16pm

re: #267 HoosierHoops

To every thing..Turn turn turn

I think it was tone and timing...I mean everybody disagree on stuff..The way a lizard attack means a lot...I remember somebody being banned for calling someone the C word...
The waiting to pounce on every post for any slight..Sometimes I think few ever took a debating class in school...Then passion takes over posts and away we go!
Boy we have seen some fight here haven't we? It sometimes was like a barroom where we got out of the way and let 2 lizards fight it out..Look..one of them has got a knife..watch out!

pretty much how I remember it

279 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:52:16pm

re: #274 ggt

I was on the debate team.

debated once --creationism vs evolutuion.

I took the evolution side.

Commie.

280 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:52:16pm

re: #253 Killgore Trout

Ramadan Recipes: Almond Sherbet, Turkish Pizza, Homemade Hummus and More

Humus is so easy to make and for a fraction of the cost. Unless you soak your own beans and don't do canned ones, but the canned ones are fine. Tahini, garbanzos, olive oil, salt, garlic, lemon to taste. I like mine lemony.

281 Inconsequential Consequence  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:52:26pm

re: #191 SanFranciscoZionist

It's interesting, though, that you'll find theistic types who insist that atheists don't value human life because we're just goo, and atheists who insist that theists don't value human life, because the here and now is just a rehearsal anyway.

Mostly, people believe that The Other doesn't have Our Values.

Which atheists believe theists don't value human life because of their belief in the afterlife? I've heard that atheists conclude theists believe in god because they're afraid of death, which in my mind means they value life, but not the other way.

282 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:52:27pm

re: #275 ArchangelMichael

There's meds to treat "being such an asshole it undermines all your arguments even when you are 100% correct"-syndrome?

A Billion Arguments will die!

283 Inconsequential Consequence  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:53:21pm

re: #196 freetoken

Creationists are on the critically endangered list here at LGF - haven't seen one in quite a while.

re: #180 b_sharp

Just go to your nearest tea-party rally, what's left of 'em.

I'd go to FR, but my account has been nuked over there.

284 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:53:26pm

re: #263 Killgore Trout

Lahmacun Turkish Pizza is looking pretty good too.

YUM. Tonight my friend is bringing home In and Out. It's a special treat.

285 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:53:26pm

re: #282 HoosierHoops

A Billion Arguments will die!

billions and billions and billions . . .

286 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:53:38pm

re: #276 Alouette

I miss Ludwig.

I'm sure he misses me

287 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:54:08pm

re: #267 HoosierHoops

To every thing..Turn turn turn

I think it was tone and timing...I mean everybody disagree on stuff..The way a lizard attack means a lot...I remember somebody being banned for calling someone the C word...
The waiting to pounce on every post for any slight..Sometimes I think few ever took a debating class in school...Then passion takes over posts and away we go!
Boy we have seen some fight here haven't we? It sometimes was like a barroom where we got out of the way and let 2 lizards fight it out..Look..one of them has got a knife..watch out!

hehe The bully meter was pretty high in the olden days.

288 Inconsequential Consequence  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:54:15pm

re: #197 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I hold the view that most people just want to get through the day, spend some time with their family and friends, do something they enjoy doing, and hope they don't get fucked with by some asshole who thinks they know whats best for them.

I think that's a pretty universal constant for humanity. Anyone who thinks differently is probably one of the aforementioned assholes.

But, there's still someone wrong on the Internet!

289 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:54:20pm

re: #280 marjoriemoon

Humus is so easy to make and for a fraction of the cost. Unless you soak your own beans and don't do canned ones, but the canned ones are fine. Tahini, garbanzos, olive oil, salt, garlic, lemon to taste. I like mine lemony.

I use fenugreek instead of tahini. easy to grow in the garden.

290 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:55:51pm

re: #276 Alouette

I miss Ludwig.

My hope is his romance land overcame his LGF land.

291 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:56:01pm

re: #287 marjoriemoon

hehe The bully meter was pretty high in the olden days.

Charlie used to say...you dance with who brung ya

292 abolitionist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:56:06pm

re: #288 b_sharp

But, there's still someone wrong on the Internet!

Heh, I remember that one. Wife was beconning.

293 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:56:06pm

re: #288 b_sharp

But, there's still someone wrong on the Internet!

Because they're not using it correctly;

294 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:56:39pm

three dogs, three flexi-leads, no tangles.

I am that good!

295 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:57:09pm

re: #288 b_sharp

But, there's still someone wrong on the Internet!

To heck with bed.

296 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:57:26pm

re: #289 Killgore Trout

I use fenugreek instead of tahini. easy to grow in the garden.

Cool. Do you have to keep the slugs off of it?

297 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:57:32pm

re: #280 marjoriemoon

Humus is so easy to make and for a fraction of the cost. Unless you soak your own beans and don't do canned ones, but the canned ones are fine. Tahini, garbanzos, olive oil, salt, garlic, lemon to taste. I like mine lemony.

One can gasbanzos, save the water, garlic clove or two, 4 tablespoons tahini, salt pinch or four, 1/4 cup lemon juice or so, little olive oil. The trick is to get the consistency so the blender will make it flow just a bit, no more. Add the water carefully, just like when you mix cement.

Spread on a dish 1 inch deep and cover with olive oil to keep the top from drying out.

298 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:57:53pm

re: #291 albusteve

Charlie used to say...you dance with who brung ya

299 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:57:58pm

re: #296 Dark_Falcon

Cool. Do you have to keep the slugs off of it?

Strategically placed claymores.

300 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:58:28pm

re: #289 Killgore Trout

I use fenugreek instead of tahini. easy to grow in the garden.

Not in place of the tahini, I don't think. That's the sesame butter that gives it that special flavor, but you could surely add it. It would be yummy.

The great thing about Humus is you can put any veggie or many different spices in it. That's just the basic stuff and I'm a lazy cook :P

301 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:58:46pm

Killgore, I heard a snippet on NPR about slugs being attracted to beer. The story didn't go into why, or how that helped the situation, just that they liked Bud over microbrews. heh.

302 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:58:47pm

re: #298 McSpiff

[Video]

cool, had to switch on the Bose

303 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:59:15pm

re: #289 Killgore Trout

I use fenugreek instead of tahini. easy to grow in the garden.

Really? I'll have to try that sometime.

304 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:59:52pm

re: #300 marjoriemoon

Not in place of the tahini, I don't think. That's the sesame butter that gives it that special flavor, but you could surely add it. It would be yummy.

The great thing about Humus is you can put any veggie or many different spices in it. That's just the basic stuff and I'm a lazy cook :P

My dinner is 45 minutes away. WAH

305 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:59:56pm

re: #297 Naso Tang

One can gasbanzos, save the water, garlic clove or two, 4 tablespoons tahini, salt pinch or four, 1/4 cup lemon juice or so, little olive oil. The trick is to get the consistency so the blender will make it flow just a bit, no more. Add the water carefully, just like when you mix cement.

Spread on a dish 1 inch deep and cover with olive oil to keep the top from drying out.

Thanks NT! Piece of cake. Or piece of pita as the case may be.

306 Inconsequential Consequence  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:59:59pm

re: #227 albusteve

I wanna be a Fed when I grow up

You intend on growing up? Why?

Where's the fun in that?

307 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:00:24pm

re: #273 Dark_Falcon

When I get a new follower, Twitter sends me an email. I check the new follower's profile and see what they are saying. If they are sane, they stay, if they look like nutcases, strawmen, and Stalkers they get blocked.

Don't forget to block the Spammers.

308 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:00:25pm

re: #302 albusteve

cool, had to switch on the Bose

I got a little dude sleeping in the room next to mine, stuck with crappy ear buds... The walls of that bunkhouse better be shakin...

309 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:00:27pm

re: #299 Varek Raith

Strategically placed claymores.

No, Varek, you cannot use that flamethrower to clear snow in the winter.

310 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:01:17pm

re: #309 Dark_Falcon

No, Varek, you cannot use that flamethrower to clear snow in the winter.

DAMMIT, and I spent all that money replacing my snowblower, too. Minnesota winters are brutal, don'tcha know.

311 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:01:26pm

re: #287 marjoriemoon

hehe The bully meter was pretty high in the olden days.

It was a tough room.

312 prairiefire  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:02:18pm

re: #241 Stanley Sea

This used to be Walter and Cato

Now you're going to make me sad. Oh well, blog goes on.

313 The Yankee  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:02:50pm

re: #179 The Yankee

Their are no true scotsmen!

Does any one else know this term or is it too obscure of a term?

314 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:03:15pm

re: #301 Stanley Sea

Killgore, I heard a snippet on NPR about slugs being attracted to beer. The story didn't go into why, or how that helped the situation, just that they liked Bud over microbrews. heh.

My neighbor used to leave a coke bottle with a couple of drops of coke still in it under the infested plants at night.

It worked.

315 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:03:19pm

re: #281 b_sharp

Which atheists believe theists don't value human life because of their belief in the afterlife? I've heard that atheists conclude theists believe in god because they're afraid of death, which in my mind means they value life, but not the other way.

Hunting a graphic of an Atheist symbol for Dept of Defense burials took me to an Atheist site. Found the photo, and a lot of comments suggesting that the buried Atheist demonstrated greater sacrifice because the believers had surrendered only part of their existence, while the soldier without the hope of an afterlife had given the whole.

316 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:03:34pm

re: #205 ggt

I never understood why both a belief in a "creator" and Evolution were mutually exclusive. Still don't. The RC Church doesn't seem to either.

My father was a high school math teacher and also an ordained minster/part time pastor. He never had a problem with it. His understanding/rationale went something like, "well, God made evolution happen, so whatevz" and he just kept his personal beliefs out of the classroom.

He was an extremely dogmatic person, yet had no trouble reconciling the two views. I always found that interesting about him.

317 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:03:34pm

re: #308 McSpiff

I got a little dude sleeping in the room next to mine, stuck with crappy ear buds... The walls of that bunkhouse better be shakin...

I'm in an urban wilderness

318 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:04:20pm

re: #313 The Yankee

Does any one else know this term or is it too obscure of a term?

I thought it was No True Christian.

319 prairiefire  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:04:20pm

re: #306 b_sharp

You intend on growing up? Why?

Where's the fun in that?

My mom got a reading from a psychic. She said "i see your daughter. Oh wow, she seems really young." Thank you, ms psychic.

320 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:05:13pm

re: #316 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

My father was a high school math teacher and also an ordained minster/part time pastor. He never had a problem with it. His understanding/rationale went something like, "well, God made evolution happen, so whatevz" and he just kept his personal beliefs out of the classroom.

He was an extremely dogmatic person, yet had no trouble reconciling the two views. I always found that interesting about him.

Exactly. Religion tells us who, and why, but not how. We were given brains to use!

321 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:05:26pm

re: #317 albusteve

I'm in an urban wilderness

I still remember that picture you posted saying was your place... had the pirate flag over it. Still cracks me up.

322 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:05:34pm

re: #311 ggt

It was a tough room.

When I first got here i told a grateful dead joke..I thought it was funny.. Man I got the crap downdinged on me from a small music crowd...
I was new so i didn't come back at them...So it wasn't a funny dead joke..It's not like Leno is sending me a check twice a month

323 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:05:41pm

re: #319 prairiefire

My mom got a reading from a psychic. She said "i see your daughter. Oh wow, she seems really young." Thank you, ms psychic.

My psychic said, "Reply hazy, try again."

324 Inconsequential Consequence  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:05:46pm

re: #262 ggt

It's always Vegetarian Week for FBV and me!

I can't do it, I'm a Meatetarian.

325 prairiefire  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:05:50pm

re: #313 The Yankee

Does any one else know this term or is it too obscure of a term?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

326 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:06:36pm

re: #322 HoosierHoops

When I first got here i told a grateful dead joke..I thought it was funny.. Man I got the crap downdinged on me from a small music crowd...
I was new so i didn't come back at them...So it wasn't a funny dead joke..It's not like Leno is sending me a check twice a month

How dare you say something on the internet that people don't like! Hang your head in shame!

327 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:06:36pm

rock and roll
Tumblin Dice

328 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:07:24pm

re: #322 HoosierHoops

When I first got here i told a grateful dead joke..I thought it was funny.. Man I got the crap downdinged on me from a small music crowd...
I was new so i didn't come back at them...So it wasn't a funny dead joke..It's not like Leno is sending me a check twice a month

I remember asking alot of questions, getting a lot of links of essays and articles to read. I printed and read a lot.

329 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:07:40pm

re: #321 McSpiff

I still remember that picture you posted saying was your place... had the pirate flag over it. Still cracks me up.

Ft Willow

330 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:08:25pm

re: #313 The Yankee

Does any one else know this term or is it too obscure of a term?

I know. I first learned it in my senior year of college.

331 The Yankee  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:09:19pm

re: #325 prairiefire

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I just learned the term a few weeks ago. I was just if it is a phrase one could mention without any father need of explanation. Or if it is popular enough for every one to know what you are talking about once it is spoken. I been noticing that a lot of people are using this kind of reasoning. Atlas Shrug and The Tea Party a top the list.

332 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:09:31pm

re: #330 Dark_Falcon

I know. I first learned it in my senior year of college.

No true senior learns anything in college!

333 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:10:13pm

re: #296 Dark_Falcon

Cool. Do you have to keep the slugs off of it?

Fenugreek is one of those wonderful plants that the slugs don't bother with. The flavor is somewhere between sesame seeds and peanut butter.

334 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:10:27pm

OT. This morning I asked if anyone noticed the missing stock market data in the news.google business section.

I went online and found a lot of irritated posters asking why google did that. Some hours later there was a post saying "thanks for bringing this to our attention".

An hour or so ago the section reappeared.

Google employees don't even look at their own website? The business section when the market is front page news?

Google is getting too big for it's own boots.

335 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:10:40pm

In the muppet meme.

336 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:10:53pm

re: #332 Varek Raith

No true senior learns anything in college!

then I guess I wasn't true. I mostly kept to myself in those days and never partied.

337 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:11:45pm

re: #336 Dark_Falcon

then I guess I wasn't true. I mostly kept to myself in those days and never partied.

Did you at least have furniture constructed from pizza boxes???
/

338 jaunte  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:12:04pm

re: #331 The Yankee

I think everyone around here understands it when they see it, without further explanation.

339 The Yankee  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:12:14pm

I have also got into disputes with politically conservative Christians actually calling Jews that didn't support their views fake Hollywood or New York City Jews.

340 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:13:15pm

re: #336 Dark_Falcon

then I guess I wasn't true. I mostly kept to myself in those days and never partied.

I was like that from the 7th grade on.

341 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:13:20pm

re: #335 ggt

Katy Perry sings "Hot N Cold" with Elmo on Sesame Street!

342 Inconsequential Consequence  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:13:48pm

re: #313 The Yankee

Does any one else know this term or is it too obscure of a term?

No true scotsman as a logical fallacy has been brought up here frequently.

Why would you think it is obscure?

343 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:13:51pm

re: #313 The Yankee

Does any one else know this term or is it too obscure of a term?

We know it. In current context the equivalent is RINO.

344 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:14:01pm

re: #328 ggt

I remember asking alot of questions, getting a lot of links of essays and articles to read. I printed and read a lot.

I had read here so long and was so pissed I could never catch an registration...I was just shutting down my laptop at work and boom i got in..I couldn't believe it! By then I pretty much knew most of the lizards by reading every day and not breaking into the room demanding a drink and somebody get these damn shells off me...Where do I piss and who is the cute chick? Somebody get my sock a drink

345 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:15:35pm

re: #331 The Yankee

I just learned the term a few weeks ago. I was just if it is a phrase one could mention without any father need of explanation. Or if it is popular enough for every one to know what you are talking about once it is spoken. I been noticing that a lot of people are using this kind of reasoning. Atlas Shrug and The Tea Party a top the list.

Good time to learn it - right in time for Breivik news.

No True Scotsman is one of the best logical fallacies for people leaving any kind of rigid, dogmatic, exclusionist worldviews. People in those lifestyles h-a-t-e being reminded their entire lives are based on a fallacy.

346 Four More Tears  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:15:51pm

re: #342 b_sharp

No true scotsman as a logical fallacy has been brought up here frequently.

Why would you think it is obscure?

Bah. No true lizard would be ignorant of the No True Scotsman meme!

347 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:16:25pm

re: #337 Varek Raith

Did you at least have furniture constructed from pizza boxes???
/

or milk crates?

348 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:16:51pm

re: #341 Killgore Trout

349 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:16:54pm

re: #343 Naso Tang

We know it. In current context the equivalent is RINO.

Or O'Reilly last week claiming Breivik couldn't possibly be Christian.

350 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:17:01pm

re: #344 HoosierHoops

I had read here so long and was so pissed I could never catch an registration...I was just shutting down my laptop at work and boom i got in..I couldn't believe it! By then I pretty much knew most of the lizards by reading every day and not breaking into the room demanding a drink and somebody get these damn shells off me...Where do I piss and who is the cute chick? Somebody get my sock a drink

On the internet, everyone is the cute chick, and no one is the cute chick.

351 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:18:11pm

No True Christian
ftfy

352 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:18:12pm

Cute story.

We are having some restoration work done in the basement. The builders took down Zedushka's entire Hebrew library in order to replace the wall paneling. Then they replaced the bookshelves and very carefully put every book back in its place.

Upside down.

353 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:18:14pm

re: #350 EmmmieG

On the internet, everyone is the cute chick, and no one is the cute chick.

The Internet: Where the men are men, the women are men, the sheep are scared, and the girls are police officers.

354 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:18:27pm

re: #337 Varek Raith

Did you at least have furniture constructed from pizza boxes???
/

No. Didn't order out much. Still don't

355 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:18:47pm

re: #345 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Good time to learn it - right in time for Breivik news.

No True Scotsman is one of the best logical fallacies for people leaving any kind of rigid, dogmatic, exclusionist worldviews. People in those lifestyles h-a-t-e being reminded their entire lives are based on a fallacy.

Pff, only the Sith deal in absolutes

356 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:19:58pm

re: #348 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

[Video]

Great performance by Animal

357 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:20:26pm

re: #332 Varek Raith

No true senior learns anything in college!

Nope. The great realization is that you are going to get the paper, you are not going to post your GPA on your resume. Senior year is the reward of all the prior work.

358 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:20:38pm

re: #345 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Good time to learn it - right in time for Breivik news.

No True Scotsman is one of the best logical fallacies for people leaving any kind of rigid, dogmatic, exclusionist worldviews. People in those lifestyles h-a-t-e being reminded their entire lives are based on a fallacy.

Funny Story: Jimmah once actually after having said he was Scottish (which he is), actually had someone tell him no true scotsman would think as he did. So he got to see "No True Scotsman" acted out in its original form by a moron.

359 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:20:41pm

re: #356 Killgore Trout

Great performance by Animal

This one is better:

360 Four More Tears  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:20:41pm

re: #355 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Pff, only the Sith deal in absolutes

In my imagination Obi-Wan gets the irony of that statement right before Vader's lightsaber passes through him.

361 The Yankee  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:20:44pm

The thing that drives me mad is how mucre: #349 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Or O'Reilly last week claiming Breivik couldn't possibly be Christian.

The thing that drives me nuts is how much of this has to be getting mirrored in the muslim world. Every time there is a bombing or terrorist attack that muslims don't like. I bet you there is a reporter on TV saying that a real muslim wouldn't do this it must be the Israelis.

362 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:21:05pm

re: #352 Alouette

Cute story.

We are having some restoration work done in the basement. The builders took down Zedushka's entire Hebrew library in order to replace the wall paneling. Then they replaced the bookshelves and very carefully put every book back in its place.

Upside down.

I probably would do that too! then realize my mistake on the last set of shelves and have to redo the whole thing . . .

363 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:23:26pm

re: #360 JasonA

In my imagination Obi-Wan gets the irony of that statement right before Vader's lightsaber passes through him.

George Lucas doesn't do irony.

364 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:24:01pm

re: #359 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

This one is better:

[Video]

This one's also good:

365 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:24:15pm

re: #359 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

This one is better:

[Video]

Rita Moreno still looks good!

366 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:24:20pm

re: #361 The Yankee

The thing that drives me mad is how muc

The thing that drives me nuts is how much of this has to be getting mirrored in the muslim world. Every time there is a bombing or terrorist attack that muslims don't like. I bet you there is a reporter on TV saying that a real muslim wouldn't do this it must be the Israelis.

Lots of different kinds people play that "no true scotsman" game. Personally, I'm not much for universals. But NTS can be found in lots of places, especially those that require conformity of behavior and thought as a condition for belonging.

367 Inconsequential Consequence  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:24:44pm

re: #362 ggt

I probably would do that too! then realize my mistake on the last set of shelves and have to redo the whole thing . . .

It's always good to store books upside down for a while. If they get stored for too long right-side-up, the words can slide to the bottom of the page. It's quite a mess.

368 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:24:53pm

re: #363 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

George Lucas doesn't do irony.

Lucas practically invented the bludgeon-'em-over-the-head-with-it genre of film.

369 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:24:55pm

re: #362 ggt

I probably would do that too! then realize my mistake on the last set of shelves and have to redo the whole thing . . .

The punch line is that they did such a good job of straightening up the books that Zedushka doesn't want to mess up their hard work by turning the books right side up. Also, he doesn't want to explain the mistake to the workers because then they would feel bad and turn all the books right side up. Which they would be very happy to do because they are getting paid by the hour!

370 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:25:21pm

re: #360 JasonA

In my imagination Obi-Wan gets the irony of that statement right before Vader's lightsaber passes through him.

Jedi see black and white.
Sith see shades of gray.

371 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:25:57pm

re: #370 Varek Raith

Jedi see black and white.
Sith see shades of gray.

Lizards see full-spectrum. Even Indigo!

372 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:26:00pm


So cute. Sesame Street meets Top Chef for the cookie challenge.

373 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:26:09pm

re: #366 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Lots of different kinds people play that "no true scotsman" game. Personally, I'm not much for universals. But NTS can be found in lots of places, especially those that require conformity of behavior and thought as a condition for belonging.

There was quite a shocking heap of NTS on the Hasidic blogs after the Leiby Kletzky murder.

374 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:26:47pm

re: #370 Varek Raith

Jedi see black and white.
Sith see shades of gray.

If Jedi get to become ghosts and crash parties, what happens to departed Sith?

375 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:26:55pm

re: #367 b_sharp

It's always good to store books upside down for a while. If they get stored for too long right-side-up, the words can slide to the bottom of the page. It's quite a mess.

Also best to lay them on their side every so often and turn them...Otherwise you just end up with a book full of vinegar

376 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:27:10pm

re: #364 Dark_Falcon

This one's also good:

[Video]

I LOL at the Penguins.

377 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:27:30pm

re: #374 EmmmieG

If Jedi get to become ghosts and crash parties, what happens to departed Sith?

They hang out and go all emo.

378 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:27:32pm

re: #374 EmmmieG

If Jedi get to become ghosts and crash parties, what happens to departed Sith?

We can become that too.
;)

379 prairiefire  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:29:31pm

re: #331 The Yankee

It is an excellent example, but I've not heard it used much lately.

380 Inconsequential Consequence  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:29:45pm

re: #366 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Lots of different kinds people play that "no true scotsman" game. Personally, I'm not much for universals. But NTS can be found in lots of places, especially those that require conformity of behavior and thought as a condition for belonging.

One thing that kind of bugs me about bringing up a logical fallacy is the belief that the fallacy automatically falsifies the argument. It doesn't, it just means that argument can't be shown, structurally, to be valid.

381 Inconsequential Consequence  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:30:46pm

re: #375 HoosierHoops

Also best to lay them on their side every so often and turn them...Otherwise you just end up with a book full of vinegar

But. Do. Not. Shake them.

382 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:31:14pm

All I know is that an Inquisitor could kick a Jedis ass because of the simple fact they use their powers effectively.

How many times did a Jedi simply tell a stormtrooper to stand up in the middle of a fire fight? Zero.

Inquisitor wins.

383 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:31:48pm

re: #281 b_sharp

Which atheists believe theists don't value human life because of their belief in the afterlife? I've heard that atheists conclude theists believe in god because they're afraid of death, which in my mind means they value life, but not the other way.

It's an argument I've heard from time to time, that deeply religious people don't care what happens to you in this life, because it's all about salvation.

384 The Yankee  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:31:49pm

re: #368 thedopefishlives

Lucas practically invented the bludgeon-'em-over-the-head-with-it genre of film.

I always thought that it was very clever idea that he didn't make all the the characters speak english like Chewbacca. And didn't give the subtitles. And started the series with episode 3. I thought he was a man that knew he weaknesses and knew how to cover for them. It was something that helped make Star Wars completely different from Star Trek, because Star some times spent large periods of time just on dialog while Star Wars avoided it almost at all cost at times.

But then he made 1986 and the pre-quals to Star wars, total let down.

385 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:32:17pm

re: #380 b_sharp

One thing that kind of bugs me about bringing up a logical fallacy is the belief that the fallacy automatically falsifies the argument. It doesn't, it just means that argument can't be shown, structurally, to be valid.

May be logical, but not sound.
May not be logic, but is sound.

386 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:32:37pm

re: #381 b_sharp

But. Do. Not. Shake them.

stirred, not shaken?

387 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:32:46pm

re: #380 b_sharp

One thing that kind of bugs me about bringing up a logical fallacy is the belief that the fallacy automatically falsifies the argument. It doesn't, it just means that argument can't be shown, structurally, to be valid.

Well, it's saying, "give a better argument than that". Vernacular version: "you betta come correct."

388 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:34:32pm

I was going thru some friends books for them, many were in Hebrew. It was totally messing up my sorting system.

389 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:35:24pm
390 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:35:45pm

re: #384 The Yankee

I always thought that it was very clever idea that he didn't make all the the characters speak english like Chewbacca. And didn't give the subtitles. And started the series with episode 3. I thought he was a man that knew he weaknesses and knew how to cover for them. It was something that helped make Star Wars completely different from Star Trek, because Star some times spent large periods of time just on dialog while Star Wars avoided it almost at all cost at times.

But then he made 1986 and the pre-quals to Star wars, total let down.

They lost me at Meesa.

391 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:36:08pm

re: #379 prairiefire

It is an excellent example, but I've not heard it used much lately.

an example:

No true lizard

392 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:36:35pm

re: #380 b_sharp

One thing that kind of bugs me about bringing up a logical fallacy is the belief that the fallacy automatically falsifies the argument. It doesn't, it just means that argument can't be shown, structurally, to be valid.

Also, the opposite can be true. An ex of mine is the granddaughter of a very influential logician. There would be some times where we would get in an argument and she'd be wrong, know she was wrong, but still win the dang argument.

Lol annoying!

But sometimes it could be fun because we'd both end up realizing just how irrelevant-to-anything the argument was. I couldn't tell you what any of them were about.

393 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:37:13pm

re: #391 Naso Tang

an example:

No true lizard

No true lizard would be warm blooded and furry.

That would be a mammal.

394 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:37:29pm
395 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:37:58pm

re: #365 ggt

Rita Moreno still looks good!

She had a bit on Oz. Looking very nice.

396 The Yankee  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:38:00pm

re: #380 b_sharp

One thing that kind of bugs me about bringing up a logical fallacy is the belief that the fallacy automatically falsifies the argument. It doesn't, it just means that argument can't be shown, structurally, to be valid.

I don't mind people being hypocritical or having such a fallacy in your statement. But admit to it and know it.

I mean just because one loves their spouse doesn't mean their spouse isn't ugly or stupid. Those things are independent of the fact that they love their spouse.

397 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:38:20pm

re: #395 SanFranciscoZionist

She had a bit on Oz. Looking very nice.

Yes, that was what I was remembering. Very strong performer!

398 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:39:16pm

re: #395 SanFranciscoZionist

She had a bit on Oz. Looking very nice.

I have a Life magazine from 1954 with her on the cover. And also the first LP she cut, around the same time. She is so interesting.

399 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:39:50pm

re: #390 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They lost me at Meesa.

He would have helped his standing with the fans a lot if he had Jar Jar graphically killed in part 2. Even if it got a PG-13, it would have been worth it. Jar Jar was the Poochie of Star Wars.

400 prairiefire  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:40:41pm

re: #391 Naso Tang

an example:

No true lizard

Yes, but I have not read that actual term referenced, despite the type of argument being presented almost daily!

401 The Yankee  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:40:49pm

re: #392 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Also, the opposite can be true. An ex of mine is the granddaughter of a very influential logician. There would be some times where we would get in an argument and she'd be wrong, know she was wrong, but still win the dang argument.

Lol annoying!

But sometimes it could be fun because we'd both end up realizing just how irrelevant-to-anything the argument was. I couldn't tell you what any of them were about.

Get into arguments about rather or not Tomatoes and Corn should go into your fruit salad?

402 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:40:52pm

re: #372 Stanley Sea

Cloverfield

403 prairiefire  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:41:26pm

re: #395 SanFranciscoZionist

She had a bit on Oz. Looking very nice.

She almost killed herself over Marlon Brando, iirc.

404 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:41:53pm
405 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:42:42pm

re: #402 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Cloverfield

What a bizarre waste of a movie.

406 Neutral President  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:42:52pm

re: #399 Dark_Falcon

He would have helped his standing with the fans a lot if he had Jar Jar graphically killed in part 2. Even if it got a PG-13, it would have been worth it. Jar Jar was the Poochie of Star Wars.

When Jar Jar was filling in for Amidala in the Senate, he was the one that called for a vote to give Palpatine emergency dictatorial powers. So basically the Empire is his fault. I'd say that was a decent character assassination. The galaxy goes to shit... JAR JAR DID IT!

407 albusteve  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:43:48pm

Temptations...

408 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:43:58pm

re: #406 ArchangelMichael

When Jar Jar was filling in for Amidala in the Senate, he was the one that called for a vote to give Palpatine emergency dictatorial powers. So basically the Empire is his fault. I'd say that was a decent character assassination. The galaxy goes to shit... JAR JAR DID IT!

Just because you can talk doesn't mean you're sentient.

409 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:44:17pm

re: #405 ggt

meh... chicks...

410 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:44:36pm

re: #403 prairiefire

She almost killed herself over Marlon Brando, iirc.

Thank God she didn't. He wasn't worth it.

411 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:45:12pm

re: #406 ArchangelMichael

When Jar Jar was filling in for Amidala in the Senate, he was the one that called for a vote to give Palpatine emergency dictatorial powers. So basically the Empire is his fault. I'd say that was a decent character assassination. The galaxy goes to shit... JAR JAR DID IT!

Jar Jar, making your local Tea Partier look good by comparison.

412 The Yankee  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:45:24pm

re: #399 Dark_Falcon

He would have helped his standing with the fans a lot if he had Jar Jar graphically killed in part 2. Even if it got a PG-13, it would have been worth it. Jar Jar was the Poochie of Star Wars.


I hated those stupid walking talking Teddy Bears more then him.

Jar Jar made a bad movie worse and annoying. The other movie could of been 10x better if they fixed that storyline in that movie.

413 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:45:30pm

re: #410 SanFranciscoZionist

Puerto Rico... you ugly island
Island of tropic diseases...

414 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:45:30pm

re: #401 The Yankee

Get into arguments about rather or not Tomatoes and Corn should go into your fruit salad?

Lol no, they were never THAT petty.

Usually some political minutiae. I think maybe the issue was we already agreed on so much to begin with lol

415 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:45:40pm

re: #398 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I have a Life magazine from 1954 with her on the cover. And also the first LP she cut, around the same time. She is so interesting.

THis one?

416 prairiefire  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:46:18pm

re: #413 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"My heart's devotion. Let it sink back into the ocean!"

417 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:46:48pm

re: #411 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Jar Jar, making your local Tea Partier look good by comparison.

What do you have against Rastafarians anyway?

418 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:47:04pm

re: #411 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Jar Jar, making your local Tea Partier look good by comparison.

He'll go down if film history's "What Were They Thinking?" category.

419 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:47:25pm

re: #415 ggt

THis one?

That's the one.

420 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:48:03pm

re: #413 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Puerto Rico... you ugly island
Island of tropic diseases...

?

421 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:48:32pm
422 simoom  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:48:35pm

The latest from Pat Buchanan:

Mocked by The Wall Street Journal and Sen. John McCain as the little people of the "Lord of the Rings" books, the Tea Party "Hobbits" are indeed returning to Middle Earth — to nail the coonskin to the wall.

Come on MSNBC, fire him already.

Screenshot so I don't send any traffic his way: Image: WTFpat.png

423 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:48:47pm

re: #420 SanFranciscoZionist

?

Oh, West Side Story.

424 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:49:14pm

re: #399 Dark_Falcon

Chewbaca was a hormonally imbalanced Yorkie.

425 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:49:23pm

re: #412 The Yankee

I hated those stupid walking talking Teddy Bears more then him.

Jar Jar made a bad movie worse and annoying. The other movie could of been 10x better if they fixed that storyline in that movie.

Lucas wanted his "virtuous natives beat evil western army" moment. I'd say that says something about how his politics aren't like mine.

426 prairiefire  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:49:28pm

"Always the hurricane blowing. Always the population growing. And the money owing."
"I like the Island Manhattan. So put down your pipe and put that in!"

427 Inconsequential Consequence  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:50:18pm

re: #387 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Well, it's saying, "give a better argument than that". Vernacular version: "you betta come correct."

That's exactly what it says, and that's exactly what needs to be communicated.

It also gives us an indication of their ability for logical thought.

428 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:50:25pm

re: #421 ggt

oh WOW!

That whole movie is pretty interesting. 20th C. Fox did a fairly good job.

429 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:51:16pm

re: #418 Dark_Falcon

He'll go down if film history's "What Were They Thinking?" category.

430 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:51:55pm

re: #422 simoom

The latest from Pat Buchanan:

Come on MSNBC, fire him already.

Screenshot so I don't send any traffic his way: Image: WTFpat.png

I think he meant "coonskin" to refer to the fur and skin of an acutal raccoon. It sounded just lame this time, but I don't think it was racist. Just Pat denying reality again.

431 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:52:02pm

re: #421 ggt

oh WOW!

my knees hurt.

432 The Yankee  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:52:26pm

re: #425 Dark_Falcon

Lucas wanted his "virtuous natives beat evil western army" moment. I'd say that says something about how his politics aren't like mine.

I can live with that make them 20 feet tall big and blue, or give them magical powers or something.

433 Inconsequential Consequence  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:52:43pm

re: #392 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Also, the opposite can be true. An ex of mine is the granddaughter of a very influential logician. There would be some times where we would get in an argument and she'd be wrong, know she was wrong, but still win the dang argument.

Lol annoying!

But sometimes it could be fun because we'd both end up realizing just how irrelevant-to-anything the argument was. I couldn't tell you what any of them were about.

Some of us enjoy argument just for the argument's sake.

434 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:52:56pm

re: #413 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Puerto Rico... you ugly island
Island of tropic diseases...

Progress Island, USA

435 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:53:06pm

re: #420 SanFranciscoZionist

Seriously?

436 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:53:29pm

re: #433 b_sharp

Some of us enjoy argument just for the argument's sake.

Lawyers!

437 Neutral President  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:53:47pm

re: #418 Dark_Falcon

He'll go down if film history's "What Were They Thinking?" category.

"We need something in there for the kids, and that annoying kid and the 2 droids just aren't silly or stupid enough. We need a character who's silliness is turned up to 11."

438 The Yankee  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:54:22pm

re: #433 b_sharp

Some of us enjoy argument just for the argument's sake.

Italians?

439 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:54:27pm
440 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:54:55pm

re: #404 ggt

Mockingbird!

Now, THAT is fantastic.

441 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:55:08pm

re: #430 Dark_Falcon

I think he meant "coonskin" to refer to the fur and skin of an acutal raccoon. It sounded just lame this time, but I don't think it was racist. Just Pat denying reality again.

The Tea Party is now Lyndon Johnson?

442 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:55:11pm

re: #437 ArchangelMichael

"We need something in there for the kids, and that annoying kid and the 2 droids just aren't silly or stupid enough. We need a character who's silliness is turned up to 11."

I thought they had that covered with having Vader building 3PO

443 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:55:29pm

re: #425 Dark_Falcon

Lucas wanted his "virtuous natives beat evil western army" moment. I'd say that says something about how his politics aren't like mine.

That may explain the Gungans, but it sure as hell isn't an excuse for Jar Jar!
:)

444 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:55:32pm

re: #430 Dark_Falcon

I think he meant "coonskin" to refer to the fur and skin of an acutal raccoon. It sounded just lame this time, but I don't think it was racist. Just Pat denying reality again.

Also, there are no raccoons in Middle Earth. Oliphaunts, yes.

445 jaunte  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:55:41pm

re: #441 SanFranciscoZionist

Needs more Beagle.

446 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:55:52pm

re: #432 The Yankee

I can live with that make them 20 feet tall big and blue, or give them magical powers or something.

I can live with, but I don't like it. But that's just me and its why I haven't seen Avatar.

447 prairiefire  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:56:28pm

re: #435 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Seriously?

We drove by Sondheim's house when I visited my family back east. They had to hold me back in the car to keep me from sprinting to ring his doorbell.
"Hello! I love you with all my heart!" An American treasure.

448 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:56:32pm

re: #441 SanFranciscoZionist

The Tea Party is now Lyndon Johnson?

I don't follow.

449 Inconsequential Consequence  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:56:49pm

re: #402 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Cloverfield

LOL!!

450 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:58:02pm

Heh...most of Newt's twitter followers aren't just virtual, they're imaginary...

While it would be impossible to survey all of Gingrich's followers, a cursory glance immediately turned up a few accounts that featured odd names, no personal information, no followers, no posts, and a small follow list. And there's certainly a healthy market out there for buying Twitter followers, either by hiring a company to strategically follow accounts that will follow you back or by paying for dummy accounts. If Gingrich did goose his Twitter numbers, it would help explain why he has, for instance, more than twice as many followers as Sarah Palin, which just doesn't sound right.
451 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:58:02pm

re: #430 Dark_Falcon

I think he meant "coonskin" to refer to the fur and skin of an acutal raccoon. It sounded just lame this time, but I don't think it was racist. Just Pat denying reality again.

Lol "racist"? Who said anything about stupid race?

452 simoom  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:58:02pm

re: #430 Dark_Falcon

I think he meant "coonskin" to refer to the fur and skin of an acutal raccoon. It sounded just lame this time, but I don't think it was racist. Just Pat denying reality again.

Obviously I can't divine what was in his head, but since I'm having trouble inserting nailing coonskins to walls into a Middle Earth metaphor, I can't help but picture Buchanan sitting there, chuckling to himself as he wrote that.

453 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:58:08pm

re: #432 The Yankee

I can live with that make them 20 feet tall big and blue, or give them magical powers or something.

My sister-in-law and I,watching Avatar:

I: So this is basically about the Sioux?

She: Yeah. And the humans are the U.S Cavalry.

I: So, is there any hope in hell that these blue things aren't going to get slaughtered?

She: It's Hollywood! They'll be fine!

Me: OK.

454 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:58:53pm

re: #446 Dark_Falcon

I can live with, but I don't like it. But that's just me and its why I haven't seen Avatar.

The only thing awesome about Avatar was that the human's spaceship was as close to reality as one can get.

455 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:59:19pm

re: #451 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Lol "racist"? Who said anything about stupid race?

Nobody. i was just putting in my 2 cents.

456 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 7:59:36pm

re: #433 b_sharp

Some of us enjoy argument just for the argument's sake.

For argument's sake, for the sake of winning arguments, etc.

457 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:00:14pm

re: #455 Dark_Falcon

Nobody. i was just putting in my 2 cents.

What made you even think of race?

458 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:00:30pm

re: #454 Varek Raith

The only thing awesome about Avatar was that the human's spaceship was as close to reality as one can get.

The only thing awesome about Avatar that Cameron was not able to get it written into law that I had to watch the damn movie.

I walked out about 45 minutes in.

459 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:00:45pm

re: #448 Dark_Falcon

I don't follow.

That's Lyndon's line, isn't it? Telling the troops in Vietnam to 'nail that coonskin to the wall'?

460 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:01:12pm

re: #458 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The only thing awesome about Avatar that Cameron was not able to get it written into law that I had to watch the damn movie.

I walked out about 45 minutes in.

I netflixed it.

461 The Yankee  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:01:32pm

Wait I didn't like Avatar that much. But for a movie that was formula, that you basically knew what was going to happen next it was well done. Something that you can say that happens with a lot of that directors movies. you know the ending and most of the sub plots but still.

462 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:01:50pm

re: #458 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The only thing awesome about Avatar that Cameron was not able to get it written into law that I had to watch the damn movie.

I walked out about 45 minutes in.

I'm a geek, what can I say???
That ship was neat.

463 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:01:51pm

re: #453 SanFranciscoZionist

My sister-in-law and I,watching Avatar:

I: So this is basically about the Sioux?

She: Yeah. And the humans are the U.S Cavalry.

I: So, is there any hope in hell that these blue things aren't going to get slaughtered?

She: It's Hollywood! They'll be fine!

Me: OK.

And if they aren't, there will be a sequel.

464 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:02:32pm

re: #421 ggt

oh WOW!

Yeah, that's some of the good stuff.

Here's another

465 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:02:39pm

re: #463 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

And if they aren't, there will be a sequel.

Asteroid + Planet = No more natives.
Next!

466 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:03:05pm

re: #457 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

What made you even think of race?

Because Buchanan is a racist asshole and he's said racist things before.

467 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:03:15pm

re: #459 SanFranciscoZionist

That's Lyndon's line, isn't it? Telling the troops in Vietnam to 'nail that coonskin to the wall'?

If so, what percent of Buchanan's audience gets the reference?

468 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:03:25pm

re: #454 Varek Raith

The only thing awesome about Avatar was that the human's spaceship was as close to reality as one can get.

The planet was very pretty.

469 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:04:17pm

re: #457 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

What made you even think of race?

Because he's AWESOME?!?!

470 The Yankee  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:04:43pm

re: #468 SanFranciscoZionist

The planet was very pretty.

The fact that you can make more then $1 billion on a movie is either neat or sickening or both not sure.

471 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:04:45pm

re: #468 SanFranciscoZionist

The planet was very pretty.

I liked how they "plugged-into" the planet. literally.

472 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:05:02pm

re: #459 SanFranciscoZionist

That's Lyndon's line, isn't it? Telling the troops in Vietnam to 'nail that coonskin to the wall'?

I hadn't known he said that. And the Tea Party didn't do that. John Boener basically saved them from their own stubbornness. Without him and McConnell, they'd have gone over the falls.

473 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:05:10pm

re: #470 The Yankee

The fact that you can make more then $1 billion on a movie is either neat or sickening or both not sure.

At least a lot of people got paid for their work.

474 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:05:17pm

re: #467 Decatur Deb

If so, what percent of Buchanan's audience gets the reference?

No clue. I don't fully understand what it has to do with hobbits either.

475 Inconsequential Consequence  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:05:17pm

re: #465 Varek Raith

Asteroid + Planet = No more natives.
Next!

My 13 yo grand kid mentioned that about 2 minutes after the show.

476 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:05:40pm
477 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:05:51pm

re: #466 Dark_Falcon

Because Buchanan is a racist asshole and he's said racist things before.

Looks like you had a kneejerk reaction, then.

What in that quote even broached the idea of Pat Buchanan being a racist asshole?

478 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:05:52pm

re: #466 Dark_Falcon

Because Buchanan is a racist asshole and he's said racist things before.

And it's not hard to imagine that this was his cleverboots way of getting as close as he can to calling the President a coon.

479 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:06:51pm

re: #474 SanFranciscoZionist

No clue. I don't fully understand what it has to do with hobbits either.

Little hobbits have sharp ears for high frequencies.

480 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:07:01pm

re: #477 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Step off. I didn't do anything wrong and you're giving me the 3rd Degree.

481 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:07:18pm

re: #474 SanFranciscoZionist

No clue. I don't fully understand what it has to do with hobbits either.

MSNBC needs to just can his addled butt. Unless they're just keeping him around to deflect the "libburul channel" charge.

482 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:07:49pm

re: #480 Dark_Falcon

Step off. I didn't do anything wrong and you're giving me the 3rd Degree.

You made the statement, I'm just asking you why. So no I'm not going to step off.

483 prairiefire  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:08:08pm

re: #457 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

What made you even think of race?

Black folks used to be called c**ns.

484 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:08:12pm

re: #474 SanFranciscoZionist

No clue. I don't fully understand what it has to do with hobbits either.

It refers to a WSJ editorial John McCain read from on the senate floor that mocked "Tea Party Hobbits" for their unrealistic expectations.

485 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:08:14pm

re: #482 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

You made the statement, I'm just asking you why. So no I'm not going to step off.

But are you just missing the 'coonskin' bit, or what?

486 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:08:42pm

re: #478 SanFranciscoZionist

And it's not hard to imagine that this was his cleverboots way of getting as close as he can to calling the President a coon.

Standard Pat MO.

487 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:08:52pm

re: #469 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ding-whore sad. Ding-whore think funny.

488 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:09:12pm

re: #459 SanFranciscoZionist

That's Lyndon's line, isn't it? Telling the troops in Vietnam to 'nail that coonskin to the wall'?

It's a little known fact that Ho Chi Min was a hyper intelligent racoon ... from NIMH.

489 prairiefire  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:09:18pm

re: #482 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

You made the statement, I'm just asking you why. So no I'm not going to step off.

You don't remember AA's being called c**ns? If I print it out it would be deleted.

490 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:09:18pm

re: #482 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

You made the statement, I'm just asking you why. So no I'm not going to step off.

I've already explained why. Who do you think you are, the Spanish Inquisition?

;)

491 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:10:33pm

re: #490 Dark_Falcon

I've already explained why. Who do you think you are, the Spanish Inquisition?

;)

Image: monty-python-spanish-inquisition.jpg

492 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:11:14pm

re: #484 Dark_Falcon

It refers to a WSJ editorial John McCain read from on the senate floor that mocked "Tea Party Hobbits" for their unrealistic expectations.

I recall that, but if you're going to bring it up again, I think you should bring in your own LOTR analogy to turn it around. Otherwise it makes no sense.

493 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:11:22pm

re: #465 Varek Raith

Asteroid + Planet = No more natives.
Next!

But if they did that, then the humans would need to wear special equipment to return and mine ...

Nevermind

494 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:11:22pm

re: #491 Varek Raith

Image: monty-python-spanish-inquisition.jpg

I was wondering how long it would take to for someone to post that, hence the wink.

495 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:11:29pm

re: #474 SanFranciscoZionist

No clue. I don't fully understand what it has to do with hobbits either.

I've read Tolkein, and I don't recall any mention of raccoons...elves, orcs, wizards, goblins, walking talking trees, yes...raccoons, no. And I'm guessing Buchanan's cultural reference was less sincere than a story about a ring.

496 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:11:37pm

re: #478 SanFranciscoZionist

And it's not hard to imagine that this was his cleverboots way of getting as close as he can to calling the President a coon.

Given the weekly/monthly/daily bull slung at the president because of face, I wouldn't see the point of him trying to couch it.

It's such a weird non-sequitur...that whole article -- Lol tea party Hobbits, LBJ reference, debt ceiling. Stupid conservative-supremacist fool.

497 Henchman Ghazi-808  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:11:57pm

re: #477 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Looks like you had a kneejerk reaction, then.

What in that quote even broached the idea of Pat Buchanan being a racist asshole?

Who needs a quote to come to the conclusion that Buchannon is a racist asshole?

498 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:12:02pm

re: #492 SanFranciscoZionist

I recall that, but if you're going to bring it up again, I think you should bring in your own LOTR analogy to turn it around. Otherwise it makes no sense.

Yeah, but Pat has never been known for making sense.

499 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:12:25pm

re: #489 prairiefire

You don't remember AA's being called c**ns? If I print it out it would be deleted.

Lol remember? Actually been called it, countless times.

500 prairiefire  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:12:43pm

re: #495 darthstar

Amen, brother.

501 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:12:54pm
502 simoom  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:13:32pm

re: #477 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Looks like you had a kneejerk reaction, then.

What in that quote even broached the idea of Pat Buchanan being a racist asshole?

To be a bit pedantic: One meaning of coon is a racial slur for African-Americans. Coonskin is the pelt of a raccoon. A possible way of interpreting Buchanan's line, especially considering his history, is that he's describing a Tea Party victory by saying they've nailed the President to the wall.

503 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:13:38pm

re: #490 Dark_Falcon

Who do you think you are, the Spanish Inquisition?

;)

I am OCIHACOSP, asking why you had that reaction. It's allowed.

504 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:14:32pm

re: #502 simoom

To be a bit pedantic: One meaning of coon is a racial slur for African-Americans. Coonskin is the pelt of a raccoon. A possible way of interpreting Buchanan's line, especially considering his history, is that he's describing a Tea Party victory by saying they've nailed the President to the wall.

Thank you.

505 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:14:34pm

re: #503 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I am OCIHACOSP, asking why you had that reaction. It's allowed.

You're being kind of a jerk about it for no reason, though.

It's Buchanan, making a reference that could easily be interpreted as racist. What's the mystery in someone interpreting it as racist?

506 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:14:44pm

re: #502 simoom

To be a bit pedantic: One meaning of coon is a racial slur for African-Americans. Coonskin is the pelt of a raccoon. A possible way of interpreting Buchanan's line, especially considering his history, is that he's describing a Tea Party victory by saying they've nailed the President to the wall.

D_F says Pat's not being "racist", so take it up with D_F.

507 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:15:13pm

re: #505 Obdicut

You're being kind of a jerk about it for no reason, though.

It's Buchanan, making a reference that could easily be interpreted as racist. What's the mystery in someone interpreting it as racist?

Or not.

508 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:16:00pm

re: #497 BigPapa

Who needs a quote to come to the conclusion that Buchannon is a racist asshole?

I don't think it's ever been in doubt that he is.

509 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:16:08pm

re: #506 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

D_F says Pat's not being "racist", so take it up with D_F.

I meant that I didn't think he was trying to be racist this time. I just though he was denying reality again and being folksy while doing it. Are you satisfied now?

510 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:18:00pm

re: #503 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I am OCIHACOSP, asking why you had that reaction. It's allowed.

Those are some initials!

511 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:18:03pm

When I see a coonskin cap I think, "Gosh! Their penises are huge!" Then I remember... not a foreskin cap... not a foreskin cap.

512 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:18:38pm

re: #506 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

D_F says Pat's not being "racist", so take it up with D_F.

DF's got a natural instinct to defend Republicans. Think "Sam the Eagle" from the Muppet Show on steroids. His heart is in the right place, mostly, but he's a bit blinded by jingoism(which he probably sees as just being patriotic).

513 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:19:06pm

re: #509 Dark_Falcon

I meant that I didn't think he was trying to be racist this time. I just though he was denying reality again and being folksy while doing it. Are you satisfied now?

You brought it up - don't get indignant at me about it.

Tell the people explaining to me what a coon reference is.

514 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:19:37pm

re: #509 Dark_Falcon

I'll give you a pass on this one, though I think Buchanan was definitely referring to President Obama - he's not so stupid he doesn't know what he's saying...he says it because that's his schtick(sp?)...

515 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:19:58pm

re: #507 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Or not.

Yeah. Or not. It may or may not have been racist. It could have been. It wasn't definitely racist. Kind of like the tar baby thing.

Buchanan is a racist, and nobody's denying that. But it's still entirely feasible that not every statement of his that could be racist, is racist. Nail the coonskin to the wall was a phrase used by LBJ during the Vietnam war. That's Buchanan's era. It's just as credible an explanation as Buchanan's well-known racism.

516 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:20:03pm

re: #510 ggt

Those are some initials!

I've been told it's the world's most un-pronounceable acronym lol

517 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:20:17pm

re: #512 darthstar

DF's got a natural instinct to defend Republicans. Think "Sam the Eagle" from the Muppet Show on steroids. His heart is in the right place, mostly, but he's a bit blinded by jingoism(which he probably sees as just being patriotic).

True, but I don't defend that asshole as a rule. I wasn't even defending him, I was just saying what sort of shenanigans he's up to tonight.

518 Inconsequential Consequence  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:20:18pm

re: #503 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I am OCIHACOSP, asking why you had that reaction. It's allowed.

Because Buchannon has many times shown his hatred of GLTB. It isn't a big jump to assume his racism is hidden under a very thin facade and likely to come out with the new bravado shown by other rwnj and tea party racists.

519 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:20:47pm

re: #516 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I've been told it's the world's most un-pronounceable acronym lol

Okie-Hack-osp...easy-peasy.

520 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:20:53pm

re: #516 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I've been told it's the world's most un-pronounceable acronym lol

I'd shorten it to just OC. I couldn't remember it all. So, don't get offended if I refer to you in the future as just OC. I don't mean anything negative by it.

521 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:21:27pm

oy

522 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:21:32pm

re: #514 darthstar

I dunno. Buchanan pretty much half-asses everything these days. That would almost be too clever for him.

Anyway, DF clearly said Buchanan is a racist, so I'm really not getting what the big flap is here. Whether an individual statement is racist or not is a hell of a lot less important than calling the dude himself a racist, flat out.

523 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:22:42pm

re: #515 Obdicut

Yeah. Or not. It may or may not have been racist. It could have been. It wasn't definitely racist. Kind of like the tar baby thing.

Buchanan is a racist, and nobody's denying that. But it's still entirely feasible that not every statement of his that could be racist, is racist. Nail the coonskin to the wall was a phrase used by LBJ during the Vietnam war. That's Buchanan's era. It's just as credible an explanation as Buchanan's well-known racism.

Personally, I could really give a crap whether this or any other paragraph of Pat Buchanans' is "racist", or what the rationale behind some little half-sentence written by some known bigot is.

I do think the kneejerk defense of PB was funny, though. I saw it as really out of the blue.

524 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:23:04pm

I think this has become my new favorite song. This unoffical video is beautiful as well.

525 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:23:15pm

re: #523 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Personally, I could really give a crap whether this or any other paragraph of Pat Buchanans' is "racist", or what the rationale behind some little half-sentence written by some known bigot is.

I do think the kneejerk defense of PB was funny, though. I saw it as really out of the blue.

You mean this defense?

re: #466 Dark_Falcon

Because Buchanan is a racist asshole and he's said racist things before.

526 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:23:26pm

re: #513 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Are you always so confrontational?
If so, it gets old real quick.
See, LVQ* and Walter*.

*You two better start posting again! :P*

527 laZardo  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:23:56pm

re: #521 darthstar

oy

vey?

528 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:24:01pm

re: #524 ggt

Did you see it at the Grammys? Freaking live she did that. Live. Not recorded. I became a fan in that instant.

529 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:24:30pm

re: #520 ggt

I'd shorten it to just OC. I couldn't remember it all. So, don't get offended if I refer to you in the future as just OC. I don't mean anything negative by it.

Nah, it's come up several times. When you choose a screen name like mine, you expect there will be a lot of ribbing at your expense :)

The other morning the choices were: OC, OC[etc], OC/SP, Oh Crap, and some other one. All are fine by me - it's all in good fun. "It's all good."

530 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:24:47pm

re: #523 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Personally, I could really give a crap whether this or any other paragraph of Pat Buchanans' is "racist", or what the rationale behind some little half-sentence written by some known bigot is.

I do think the kneejerk defense of PB was funny, though. I saw it as really out of the blue.

D_F made the original post. He's explaining to you that the phrase has a history, other than the racial one you assumed. Stop throwing shit, D_F was trying to do you a favor.

531 Inconsequential Consequence  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:24:54pm

re: #523 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Personally, I could really give a crap whether this or any other paragraph of Pat Buchanans' is "racist", or what the rationale behind some little half-sentence written by some known bigot is.

I do think the kneejerk defense of PB was funny, though. I saw it as really out of the blue.

I don't think it was a defence of PB. I think it was a recognition that not everything coming out of Buchanon's mouth can be taken as racist.

532 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:24:58pm

re: #528 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Did you see it at the Grammys? Freaking live she did that. Live. Not recorded. I became a fan in that instant.

I saw the youtube of it.

Incredible.

533 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:25:47pm

re: #528 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Did you see it at the Grammys? Freaking live she did that. Live. Not recorded. I became a fan in that instant.

In fact, I think it was your reference some time ago that turned me on to it.

534 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:26:38pm

re: #532 ggt

I was flipping channels and something (not that) caught my eye. So I left it there for a minute and she came up.

Sat there with my jaw hanging open. She's an amazing talent.

535 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:26:40pm

re: #525 Obdicut

You mean this defense?

re: #466 Dark_Falcon

Groan.

No the original one.

I think he meant "coonskin" to refer to the fur and skin of an acutal raccoon. It sounded just lame this time, but I don't think it was racist. Just Pat denying reality again.

Out of the blue reference.

536 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:27:54pm

re: #531 b_sharp

I don't think it was a defence of PB. I think it was a recognition that not everything coming out of Buchanon's mouth can be taken as racist.

I'm comfortable with "cutesy deniable slur". Buchanan is a more disciplined phrase-monger than you credit.

537 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:27:57pm

re: #514 darthstar

I'll give you a pass on this one, though I think Buchanan was definitely referring to President Obama - he's not so stupid he doesn't know what he's saying...he says it because that's his schtick(sp?)...

Yes, schtick.

Or shtik, or whatever...any transliteration will do.

But 'schtick' is fairly standard.

538 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:28:09pm

re: #535 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Um, how is saying he's denying reality a defense of him? Is that somehow a positive attribute now?

539 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:28:26pm

re: #530 McSpiff

Stop throwing shit, D_F was trying to do you a favor.

Hilarious.

Now it's about poor little me, who needs charity favors of, what. Deflecting [potential] racial references made by Pat Buchanan not even directed at me? Come on, nobody believes that.

540 simoom  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:28:31pm

re: #513 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I have to agree with some of the others. You are kind of a being a jerk to DF and it seems wholly unprovoked. I think everyone gets the point you were trying to make, but you got to it through unnecessarily patience-trying, leading questions, when you could have just respectfully disagreed in a single post.

541 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:28:43pm

re: #538 Obdicut

Um, how is saying he's denying reality a defense of him? Is that somehow a positive attribute now?

I think OCSP is trying to pick a fight.

542 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:29:05pm

re: #537 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, schtick.

Or shtik, or whatever...any transliteration will do.

But 'schtick' is fairly standard.

Well, no matter how you spell it, Buchanan can schtick it up his ass.

543 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:29:10pm

re: #539 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

GAZE

544 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:29:36pm

re: #536 Decatur Deb

I'm comfortable with "cutesy deniable slur". Buchanan is a more disciplined phrase-monger than you credit.

It entirely could be. It doesn't really matter. Buchanan is a confirmed racist, from slurs to academic diatribes. A racist through and through. This one statement wouldn't be a drop in his ocean of bigotry.

And yet he still gets media appearances without being treated like David Duke or Fred Phelps. Maybe it's because he just sits there like a fat, farting lump, with that wimpy voice.

545 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:29:56pm

re: #538 Obdicut

Um, how is saying he's denying reality a defense of him? Is that somehow a positive attribute now?

I'm considering this penis (Buchanan) beaten and moving on to other topics.

546 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:30:17pm

re: #253 Killgore Trout

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547 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:30:38pm

re: #538 Obdicut

Um, how is saying he's denying reality a defense of him? Is that somehow a positive attribute now?

The conversation has been about a coon reference (or not). The defense was Pat's not being "racist". Lol nobody said he was - it was an out of the blue comment.

548 laZardo  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:31:02pm

re: #545 darthstar

I'm considering this penis (Buchanan) beaten and moving on to other topics.

Yes, I'd think we should consider it spent.

549 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:31:14pm

re: #543 Dark_Falcon

GAZE

?

550 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:32:11pm

re: #547 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

What does it matter that nobody said he was? I'm not getting why that's somehow important. It was pretty obvious that that was what could be racist in the phrase.

And again, a defense of someone that they're not racist, they're just denying reality, really isn't a defense. Especially when that same person then calls Buchanan a racist asshole.

551 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:32:26pm

re: #544 Obdicut

It entirely could be. It doesn't really matter. Buchanan is a confirmed racist, from slurs to academic diatribes. A racist through and through. This one statement wouldn't be a drop in his ocean of bigotry.

And yet he still gets media appearances without being treated like David Duke or Fred Phelps. Maybe it's because he just sits there like a fat, farting lump, with that wimpy voice.

He gets airtime because a lot of people want what he says said. There aren't a lot of repeat mistakes in multi-million dollar programming.

552 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:32:28pm

re: #544 Obdicut

It entirely could be. It doesn't really matter. Buchanan is a confirmed racist, from slurs to academic diatribes. A racist through and through. This one statement wouldn't be a drop in his ocean of bigotry.

And yet he still gets media appearances without being treated like David Duke or Fred Phelps. Maybe it's because he just sits there like a fat, farting lump, with that wimpy voice.

It's still a mystery why MSNBC keeps him around, with the crap he writes.

553 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:32:49pm

re: #549 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

?

It means he feels that you're just looking for a fight and not actually attempting to have an honest conversation.

554 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:32:57pm

re: #548 laZardo

Yes, I'd think we should consider it spent.

I was hoping for a happier ending.

555 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:33:35pm

re: #550 Obdicut

What does it matter that nobody said he was? I'm not getting why that's somehow important. It was pretty obvious that that was what could be racist in the phrase.

Or not. I think the response is funny.

556 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:33:46pm

re: #551 Decatur Deb

He gets airtime because a lot of people want what he says said. There aren't a lot of repeat mistakes in multi-million dollar programming.

Lot of people want what David Duke says, but he doesn't get much airtime. There's some element of flying under the radar that Buchanan has incorporated, I think.

That, and nobody calling him out strongly on his shit.

557 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:33:50pm

Okay...where's all the outrageous outrage over the debt ceiling compromise? 22 billion in cuts this year(everything else will get shelved, delayed, postponed, reversed, and adjusted out of sight because, quite frankly, we need our social services - ahem - entitlements)...

But at least it sets the stage for some decent tax increases above and beyond letting Bush's cuts expire.

558 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:34:07pm

re: #534 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I was flipping channels and something (not that) caught my eye. So I left it there for a minute and she came up.

Sat there with my jaw hanging open. She's an amazing talent.

This is amazing to me.

559 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:34:15pm

re: #554 Decatur Deb

I was hoping for a happier ending.

That costs extra.

560 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:34:28pm

re: #555 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Or not. I think the response is funny.

Yes. Or not. Or it could have been a reference to LBJ's statement in the Vietnam war. Since everyone, DF included, says that Buchanan is a racist asshole, what the hell does it matter?

561 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:35:00pm

re: #554 Decatur Deb

I was hoping for a happier ending.

Five dollars.

562 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:35:22pm

re: #561 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Five dollars.

I don't think he swings that way.
/

563 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:35:25pm

re: #548 laZardo

Yes, I'd think we should consider it spent.

rolled hard! more than enough.

564 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:35:29pm

re: #561 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Five dollars.

565 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:35:42pm

re: #552 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

It's still a mystery why MSNBC keeps him around, with the crap he writes.

ratings.

566 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:35:42pm

re: #540 simoom

I have to agree with some of the others. You are kind of a being a jerk to DF and it seems wholly unprovoked. I think everyone gets the point you were trying to make, but you got to it through unnecessarily patience-trying, leading questions, when you could have just respectfully disagreed in a single post.

They weren't leading questions, or trying to make any "point". Initially, I saw it as a left field comment.

It happens. It's not a big deal.

567 Inconsequential Consequence  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:35:48pm

re: #561 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Five dollars.

I'll do it for $4.75.

568 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:35:48pm

re: #561 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Five dollars.

Or maybe it doesn't cost much at all...

569 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:36:31pm

re: #567 b_sharp

I'll do it for $4.75.

I don't think mine will make change.

570 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:36:34pm

It's raining!
Thank you Rick Perry!
/

571 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:36:43pm

re: #568 darthstar

Or maybe it doesn't cost much at all...

If it were free, would you want it?

572 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:36:45pm

re: #559 darthstar

re: #561 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

DAMN!

573 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:36:52pm

re: #570 Varek Raith

It's raining!
Thank you Rick Perry!
/

Too bad you're not in Texas.

574 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:36:53pm

re: #562 Varek Raith

I don't think he swings that way.
/

Thought he was middle management, not a producer.

575 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:37:10pm

re: #560 Obdicut

Yes. Or not. Or it could have been a reference to LBJ's statement in the Vietnam war. Since everyone, DF included, says that Buchanan is a racist asshole, what the hell does it matter?

Lol wth does it matter if I address the issue when it comes up? Who cares?

576 Gus  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:37:15pm

Vietnam! Slowly I turn. Inch by inch...

577 laZardo  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:37:18pm

re: #561 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Five dollars.

Six and I will love you long time.

578 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:37:36pm

re: #573 darthstar

Too bad you're not in Texas.

So God's aim was slightly off.

579 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:37:59pm

re: #571 ggt

If it were free, would you want it?

Free Willy!

580 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:38:19pm

re: #576 Gus 802

Vietnam! Slowly I turn. Inch by inch...

That's one comedy routine I never got, as a kid. Haven't thought of it since then. Wasn't prepared for that memory.

581 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:38:37pm

re: #577 laZardo

Fuckin' Asians and bidding wars...

(love ya buddy!)

582 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:38:49pm

Penis jokes - you can bury almost any conversation with them.

583 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:39:16pm

re: #575 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Lol wth does it matter if I address the issue when it comes up? Who cares?

I think, once again, you're too internet for me. You care enough to harangue DF for awhile and make yourself look like a jerk, but at the same time, say 'who cares'.

Sheesh.

584 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:39:27pm

re: #582 darthstar

Penis jokes - you can bury almost any conversation with them.

That's what she said?
In bed?

585 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:39:51pm

re: #584 Varek Raith

That's what she said?
In bed?

NOT in bed!

586 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:39:51pm

re: #584 Varek Raith

That's what she said?
In bed?

Wanker.

587 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:39:56pm

re: #582 darthstar

Penis jokes - you can bury almost any conversation with them.

While a boob-pun thread just keeps bouncing along.

588 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:40:10pm

re: #587 Decatur Deb

While a boob-pun thread just keeps bouncing along.

How does that work?

589 jaunte  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:40:37pm

re: #588 ggt

Magnets.

590 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:41:03pm

re: #588 ggt

How does that work?

Magnets.

(Place is turning into Gawker.)

591 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:41:06pm

re: #557 darthstar

Okay...where's all the outrageous outrage over the debt ceiling compromise? 22 billion in cuts this year(everything else will get shelved, delayed, postponed, reversed, and adjusted out of sight because, quite frankly, we need our social services - ahem - entitlements)...

But at least it sets the stage for some decent tax increases above and beyond letting Bush's cuts expire.

There was an interesting line in the Reid Report about it.

[Link: blog.reidreport.com...]

Looked at in total, the deal doesn’t look that bad. It caps rather than slashes spending, spread out over 10 years, and it includes real defense cuts; and it doesn’t take revenues off the table. Liberals may still hate it, but the answer to that, again, is to elect a better Congress in 2012.

I pretty much concur. Nobody's happy about it, but there are worse things.

592 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:41:06pm

Those are some close lightning strikes.

593 Inconsequential Consequence  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:41:10pm

re: #575 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Lol wth does it matter if I address the issue when it comes up? Who cares?

It doesn't matter that you do it, it matters how you do it.

594 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:41:10pm

re: #582 darthstar


1. My dick is so big, it only tips with hundreds.
2. My dick is so big, the Carnegie Deli named a sandwich after it.
3. My dick is so big, the city was going to build a statue of it but they ran out of cement.
4. My dick is so big, ships use it to find their way into the harbor.
5. My dick is so big, when I get hard my ey brows get pulled down to my neck.
6. My dick is so big, you're standing on it.
7. My dick is so big, it only comes into work when it feels like it.
8. My dick is so big, it plays golf with the president
9. My dick is so big, it charges money for its autograph.
10. My dick is so big, it has an agent. My dick's people will call your people. Let's have lunch with my dick.

I have no idea what you mean.

595 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:41:23pm

re: #583 Obdicut

I'd go with "childish" but that's just me.

596 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:41:39pm

re: #583 Obdicut

I think, once again, you're too internet for me. You care enough to harangue DF for awhile and make yourself look like a jerk, but at the same time, say 'who cares'.

Sheesh.

It's over, we've moved on.

597 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:42:14pm

re: #584 Varek Raith

That's what she said?
In bed?

I like reversing it. Read any fortune cookie but put 'except in bed' or 'but not in bed' at the end.

It turns some of them actually really damn wise:

A friend is a present you give yourself. But not in bed.

A pleasant surprise is waiting for you. But not in bed.


And some of them sad:

You will always have good luck in your personal affairs, except in bed.

You desire recognition and you will find it, except in bed.

598 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:42:21pm

re: #596 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Image: 26214-victory-is-mine.gif

599 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:42:46pm

re: #591 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

There was an interesting line in the Reid Report about it.

[Link: blog.reidreport.com...]

I pretty much concur. Nobody's happy about it, but there are worse things.

Yep...run the teabaggers out in 2012 and then do what we should have done in 2009 (make real change and stop looking for bipartisan support) and watch as the country comes willingly along into peace and prosperity...

600 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:43:23pm

re: #583 Obdicut

I think, once again, you're too internet for me. You care enough to harangue DF for awhile and make yourself look like a jerk, but at the same time, say 'who cares'.

Sheesh.

Thank you for your defense, Obdi. It will be remembered and reciprocated.

601 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:43:30pm

re: #593 b_sharp

It doesn't matter that you do it, it matters how you do it.

Well, it matters how everybody does it, not just me.

602 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:43:52pm

re: #594 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have no idea what you mean.

I said 'penis jokes'...not 'dick jokes'. /

603 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:45:04pm

This is great, I love the old lady at the end.

I see them all the time!

604 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:45:05pm

re: #600 Dark_Falcon

Thank you for your defense, Obdi. It will be remembered and reciprocated.

Internet Bud-guy moment.

605 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:45:54pm

BRB.

606 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:46:09pm

re: #602 darthstar

I said 'penis jokes'...not 'dick jokes'. /

I guess I need to google the difference between a dick joke and a penis joke.

Why am I guessing there's an answer out there somewhere in the blue nowhere?

607 HappyWarrior  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:46:20pm

re: #599 darthstar

Yep...run the teabaggers out in 2012 and then do what we should have done in 2009 (make real change and stop looking for bipartisan support) and watch as the country comes willingly along into peace and prosperity...

I hope that this is what happens but I am not holding my breath. I am so sick of the Tea Partiers acting like they're for small government and then wanting to tell gay people they can't marry or serve in the military, doing everything possible to limit the legal right to an abortion, and of course the paranoid crap about Muslims and immigrants. It's crap.

608 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:46:24pm

re: #604 darthstar

Ah, the joys of bromance:

Image: FOTC_bromance.jpg

609 Inconsequential Consequence  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:46:25pm

re: #601 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Well, it matters how everybody does it, not just me.

Yes.

610 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:47:01pm

re: #600 Dark_Falcon

Thank you for your defense, Obdi. It will be remembered and reciprocated.

It was a good contribution to the discussion. I wouldn't want to see you deterred from that in the future.

611 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:47:24pm

re: #606 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I guess I need to google the difference between a dick joke and a penis joke.

I think you should just ask people during the day. Like when you buy coffee in the morning, ask the person making it if they know what the difference is.

And then they'll say "No," and look kind of confused, and you'll say "Me neither", and then there will be a really, really awkward moment, and those are fun.

612 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:47:26pm

re: #606 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I guess I need to google the difference between a dick joke and a penis joke.

Why am I guessing there's an answer out there somewhere in the blue nowhere?

This is a dick joke.

613 Inconsequential Consequence  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:47:56pm
614 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:48:00pm

re: #530 McSpiff

D_F made the original post. He's explaining to you that the phrase has a history, other than the racial one you assumed. Stop throwing shit, D_F was trying to do you a favor.

I think it's neat that folks are sticking up for DF and realizing what a well intentioned poster he is, who has put some very unpopular personal views on this blog.

615 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:48:26pm

re: #608 Obdicut

Ah, the joys of bromance:

Image: FOTC_bromance.jpg

ROFLMAO!

616 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:48:27pm

re: #606 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

In a cursory search, I found nothing. But I did find this great line from a Urologist about to do a Vasectomy.

"Your shutting down the factory and opening up the amusement park."

617 Inconsequential Consequence  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:48:31pm

re: #612 ggt

This is a dick joke.

You just scared the shit out of me.

618 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:48:41pm

re: #606 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I guess I need to google the difference between a dick joke and a penis joke.

Why am I guessing there's an answer out there somewhere in the blue nowhere?

Trust me...there's a vas deferens between the two.

619 lostlakehiker  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:48:42pm

Richard L. Kent, Esq., eh?

Why not Herr Doktor Professor Richard L. Kent VIII, Esq, Knight of the Realm, Protector of the Weak, DDS, MD, OD, BFD?

This transparent grubbing after symbols of respectability and accomplishment is pathetic.

620 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:48:46pm

Backyard's flooding. (No big deal...Yet.)
Stupid Rick Perry!
:)

621 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:49:15pm

re: #617 b_sharp

You just scared the shit out of me.

Like a satan sandwich - imagine him on the bear skin rug.

622 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:49:27pm

re: #557 darthstar

Okay...where's all the outrageous outrage over the debt ceiling compromise? 22 billion in cuts this year(everything else will get shelved, delayed, postponed, reversed, and adjusted out of sight because, quite frankly, we need our social services - ahem - entitlements)...

But at least it sets the stage for some decent tax increases above and beyond letting Bush's cuts expire.

Can't really tell how mad to get, the thing has so many moving parts. It'll be analyzed like a Victorian nude in the coming weeks, so it's safe to hold off. Has the Senate done its bit?

623 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:49:29pm

re: #611 Obdicut

I think you should just ask people during the day. Like when you buy coffee in the morning, ask the person making it if they know what the difference is.

And then they'll say "No," and look kind of confused, and you'll say "Me neither", and then there will be a really, really awkward moment, and those are fun.

Or like when people are really irritating you with some innane topic of discussion, you say "it's typical karmic activity". They look at you and either agree with you and walk away or think you are weird and walk away.

Either way, the walk away and you are spared.

624 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:49:32pm

re: #620 Varek Raith

Backyard's flooding. (No big deal...Yet.)
Stupid Rick Perry!
:)

That didn't take long.

625 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:49:40pm

re: #621 darthstar

Like a satan sandwich - imagine him on the bear skin rug.

-10 points.

626 lostlakehiker  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:50:02pm

re: #458 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The only thing awesome about Avatar that Cameron was not able to get it written into law that I had to watch the damn movie.

I walked out about 45 minutes in.

The animation and 3D presentation was a milestone technical achievement.

The storyline---not so much.

627 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:50:17pm

re: #611 Obdicut

Do I get to do the awkward overly-long hug?

628 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:50:21pm

re: #624 darthstar

That didn't take long.

Hasn't rained much at all in July. Coupled with that week of hell on earth temps...

629 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:50:45pm

re: #628 Varek Raith

Hasn't rained much at all in July. Coupled with that week of hell on earth temps...

Well, it is August.

630 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:51:01pm

re: #612 ggt

This is a dick joke.

"Go fuck yourself."
-Dick

631 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:52:27pm

re: #626 lostlakehiker

The animation and 3D presentation was a milestone technical achievement.

The storyline---not so much.

"Hey! Look what CGI can do now!" is not a movie.

What is? "The Silence of the Lambs" is 20 years old this year.

632 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:52:28pm

re: #630 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Go fuck yourself."
-Dick

633 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:52:33pm

re: #614 Floral Giraffe

I think it's neat that folks are sticking up for DF and realizing what a well intentioned poster he is, who has put some very unpopular personal views on this blog.

Thanks, Floral.

In the Good News category, my last deal from last month paid in time for me to get paid for it on Friday at 15% of sale price. Extra money always helps and the fact that I worked hard for that sale makes it all the better.

634 Four More Tears  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:52:34pm

re: #617 b_sharp

You just scared the shit out of me.

He's even more terrifying in high res.

635 laZardo  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:53:14pm

re: #634 JasonA

He's even more terrifying in high res.

If that's terrifying, then I shudder to even think of him in full 1080p high definition.

636 Inconsequential Consequence  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:53:24pm

re: #634 JasonA

He's even more terrifying in high res.

I do not want to see that.

637 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:53:42pm

re: #627 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Do I get to do the awkward overly-long hug?

Well, the person getting your coffee is probably behind a counter, so that's going to be astoundingly awkward.

I saw a guy go in for a goodnight kiss on a girl the other night at a bar and she panicked, turned her head so it'd be her cheek, but she got the angle wrong and headbutted him in the nose by accident.

I think it was by accident.

638 Lidane  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:53:50pm
639 HappyWarrior  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:53:56pm

Cheney reminds me of Mr. Potter. People always threw around the Darth Vader one in jest and I think even he got a chuckle out of that but Mr. Potter seems more appropriate. I did hear from someone who met him that he's privately quite cordial. Same person said Rick Santorum was a dickhead.

640 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:55:01pm

re: #639 HappyWarrior

Cheney reminds me of Mr. Potter. People always threw around the Darth Vader one in jest and I think even he got a chuckle out of that but Mr. Potter seems more appropriate. I did hear from someone who met him that he's privately quite cordial. Same person said Rick Santorum was a dickhead.

Cheney is a Jedi.
:P

641 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:55:17pm

re: #638 Lidane

Has anyone Paged this yet?

Pam Geller And Robert Spencer Using Links To Norway Terrorist For Fundraising Campaign

Remind me to write them a check some time...after the Rapture sucks their sorry asses off the planet.

642 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:55:17pm

re: #561 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Five dollars.

Well then, I'm coming to your place for all my future "happy ending" needs. Although I'm not really into Fat Bastards or Vegetarians at all, how can I pass up such great savings?

643 HappyWarrior  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:55:34pm

re: #638 Lidane

Has anyone Paged this yet?

Pam Geller And Robert Spencer Using Links To Norway Terrorist For Fundraising Campaign

And Pam yet again ups herself in being a truly awful person. Her and Spencer truly are miserable pieces of shit*
*Apologies to pieces of shit since they used to be food.

644 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:55:48pm

re: #642 Slumbering Behemoth

WHAT A COUNTRY!

645 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:55:49pm

re: #637 Obdicut

LOL!
Bet it wasn't?

646 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:57:20pm

re: #637 Obdicut

Well, the person getting your coffee is probably behind a counter, so that's going to be astoundingly awkward.

I saw a guy go in for a goodnight kiss on a girl the other night at a bar and she panicked, turned her head so it'd be her cheek, but she got the angle wrong and headbutted him in the nose by accident.

I think it was by accident.

If she was holding a razor in her teeth it wasn't an accident.

647 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:57:28pm

re: #638 Lidane

Has anyone Paged this yet?

Pam Geller And Robert Spencer Using Links To Norway Terrorist For Fundraising Campaign

Shrieky and Bobby hit bottom, dig. Eh well, soon they'll be China's problem at the rate they're digging.

648 jaunte  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:58:31pm

re: #638 Lidane

Has anyone Paged this yet?

Pam Geller And Robert Spencer Using Links To Norway Terrorist For Fundraising Campaign

"...for donations of $500 or more, you can get a personally signed copy of Geller’s book “Stop the Islamization of America: A Practical Guide to the Resistance.”


Paging wealthy idiots.

649 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:58:41pm

re: #647 Dark_Falcon

Shrieky and Bobby hit bottom, dig. Eh well, soon they'll be China's problem at the rate they're digging.

Actually!
They'd end up in the Indian Ocean.
;)

650 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:59:00pm

re: #648 jaunte

Paging wealthy idiots.

You rang??

//

651 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 8:59:54pm

re: #642 Slumbering Behemoth

If I approached a hooker? I'd have no idea what the going rate was.

"How much for a blow job."
(Charlie Brown Teacher Voice) Whah whah whah.
"Really? That much?"
"Whah! Mutherfucker"
"No. Seriously."
(muffled to the side) "Whah whah"
Then? I'm beaten up by a pimp.

652 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:00:37pm

re: #651 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Then? I'm beaten up by a pimp her

You're a lover, not a fighter

653 HappyWarrior  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:00:43pm

I really hope Spencer and Geller's reputations continue to sink. Ditto Horowitz. I've always thought he was a major league tool. I am sorry but you cannot be a former true Communist then whine about people who are merely left of center and his constant attacks on academia are maddening. Yes, I realize there are professors with some far left wing views but somehow I bet Dave could care less about my university's economics department which actually required students to answer why the stimulus was bad- not why or why not mind you but why it was bad? But you didn't see crap from "academic freedom" defenders on that one, hmmm wonder why eh. I guess brainwashing is fine and dandy when it's right wingers doing it. Sorry, I just can't stand David Horowitz's hypocritcal nonsense- calling people like me disloyal when he was an actual Communist.

654 lostlakehiker  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:01:12pm

re: #557 darthstar

Okay...where's all the outrageous outrage over the debt ceiling compromise? 22 billion in cuts this year(everything else will get shelved, delayed, postponed, reversed, and adjusted out of sight because, quite frankly, we need our social services - ahem - entitlements)...

But at least it sets the stage for some decent tax increases above and beyond letting Bush's cuts expire.

Letting those expire, un-indexed, constitutes a whopping big tax increase. Half the country would be thrust into the AMT. Revenues would soar in the first year, and then crater, as economic activity dried up.

There's more to life than earning an extra buck for the govt and chump change for yourself.

Sensible tax increase inch up marginal rates, leaving them well below the 50-50 split line. They're broad based, so that even the middle class kicks in a little something, and so that revenue does not depend too sensitively on the earnings of a small and volatile fraction of economy.

Putting taxes back to where they were, (indexed for inflation, of course) before the slew of tax cuts meant to get us out of the recession would be a sensible start. And then we could look around for ways to enhance the revenue without kicking the economy too hard.

But every government dollar spent is extracted, one way or another, from the private economy. If it's spent on something worthwhile, that's fine. If it's, say, a wooden a bridge to nowhere, the spending is no better an idea than simply burning down lumber yards.

Burning down a lumberyard, after all, stimulates the logging industry. It stimulates the market for fire trucks too, and provides wages to firefighters, glaziers, and insurance policy writers. The same sort of arguments that are constantly advanced in favor of government spending, just to be spending, make as good a case for burning lumber yards.

655 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:01:37pm

re: #638 Lidane

Has anyone Paged this yet?

Pam Geller And Robert Spencer Using Links To Norway Terrorist For Fundraising Campaign

And suddenly I find myself tired and depressed. I don't know why, but this terrorist Anders bit and the wingnut reaction to it is bothering me way more than it should.

656 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:02:09pm

re: #647 Dark_Falcon

Shrieky and Bobby hit bottom, dig. Eh well, soon they'll be China's problem at the rate they're digging.

"Shrieky and Bobby" sounds like a good name for a TV show:

Tonight on Fox: Shrieky and Bobby defend a man accused of opening fire on a crowd of ministers. Their defense: one of the ministers was a Imam who said "Allahu Akbar" is his prayer, making them all servants of Radical Islam.

I think this count actually be a wingnut hit.

657 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:02:51pm

re: #651 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If I approached a hooker? I'd have no idea what the going rate was.

More than it's worth, I can tell you that much.

658 HappyWarrior  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:03:38pm

re: #656 Dark_Falcon

"Shrieky and Bobby" sounds like a good name for a TV show:

I think this count actually be a wingnut hit.

Buddy cop show :) where Shrikey and Bobby go around the world exposing Jihad whereever it may be. Why, look there's a jihad in my doner sandwich.

659 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:04:44pm

re: #657 Slumbering Behemoth

More than it's worth, I can tell you that much.

"But, I didn't feel loved!"

660 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:05:02pm

re: #651 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If I approached a hooker?

If you're in the right(or wrong, I suppose) part of town, they'll approach you. I was approached a couple of times in England when I lived there - believe me, your first instinct (after you stop the vomit coming up in the back of your throat) will be to politely excuse yourself as far away as possible.

661 HappyWarrior  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:05:12pm

re: #655 Slumbering Behemoth

And suddenly I find myself tired and depressed. I don't know why, but this terrorist Anders bit and the wingnut reaction to it is bothering me way more than it should.

I've felt the same way. The attempts by right wing bloggers to make the victims in to terrorism supporters and to legitimize Anders' views have been infuriating to me. Plus the fact that the victims were mostly kids with their whole lives ahead of them.

662 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:05:43pm

re: #651 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If I approached a hooker? I'd have no idea what the going rate was.

"How much for a blow job."
(Charlie Brown Teacher Voice) Whah whah whah.
"Really? That much?"
"Whah! Mutherfucker"
"No. Seriously."
(muffled to the side) "Whah whah"
Then? I'm beaten up by a pimp.

I once had a hilarious conversation with a jerk kid online who was bragging on how he'd banged all these hookers on a school trip to NYC, and refused to wear a condom because HE was DA MAN.

I told him that a. he needed a checkup and b. if the girls were really charging the prices he quotes, he really needed a checkup, and also, they probably hadn't been girls.

663 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:05:51pm

Bob and his wife just finished having sex one night.

After catching their breaths during that post-coital state, Bob asked his wife: "Tell me something that will make me happy and sad at the same time."

His wife paused and then said: "Ok, you have the biggest penis of all your friends."

664 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:06:12pm

re: #608 Obdicut

Ah, the joys of bromance:

Image: FOTC_bromance.jpg

Well, Brett does have it going on

665 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:06:32pm

re: #662 SanFranciscoZionist

I once had a hilarious conversation with a jerk kid online who was bragging on how he'd banged all these hookers on a school trip to NYC, and refused to wear a condom because HE was DA MAN.

I told him that a. he needed a checkup and b. if the girls were really charging the prices he quotes, he really needed a checkup, and also, they probably hadn't been girls.

OOOH, BURN!

666 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:06:35pm

re: #655 Slumbering Behemoth

And suddenly I find myself tired and depressed. I don't know why, but this terrorist Anders bit and the wingnut reaction to it is bothering me way more than it should.

It's getting under my skin.

I think I didn't want to believe they were this bad.

667 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:06:55pm

re: #654 lostlakehiker

Letting those expire, un-indexed, constitutes a whopping big tax increase. Half the country would be thrust into the AMT. Revenues would soar in the first year, and then crater, as economic activity dried up.

I don't recall the economic activity drying up during the Clinton presidency, which is what the tax rates would roll back to...it's not an increase, it's a return to a more responsible tax rate. And the cuts haven't created any jobs, so they failed at their primary public purpose (privately, they were a give away to the rich).

668 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:07:06pm

re: #660 darthstar

If you're in the right(or wrong, I suppose) part of town, they'll approach you. I was approached a couple of times in England when I lived there - believe me, your first instinct (after you stop the vomit coming up in the back of your throat) will be to politely excuse yourself as far away as possible.

The ones in the Red Light District of Amsterdam, however...

669 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:07:14pm

Anybody noticed how two totally different threads are running right now?

670 austin_blue  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:08:01pm

re: #666 SanFranciscoZionist

It's getting under my skin.

I think I didn't want to believe they were this bad.

They are. And quite possibly worse.

Is this the new normal?

671 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:08:20pm

re: #669 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Anybody noticed how two totally different threads are running right now?

All free-market economics.

672 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:08:28pm

re: #668 Slumbering Behemoth

The ones in the Red Light District of Amsterdam, however...

Are still best avoided. Much of the sex trade there is run by mobsters and slavers.

673 Inconsequential Consequence  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:08:35pm

re: #669 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Anybody noticed how two totally different threads are running right now?

No.

674 laZardo  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:08:35pm

re: #669 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

A thread within a thread.

Threadception.

675 lostlakehiker  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:08:51pm

re: #655 Slumbering Behemoth

And suddenly I find myself tired and depressed. I don't know why, but this terrorist Anders bit and the wingnut reaction to it is bothering me way more than it should.

There's evidently some sentiment out there that this event will serve to teach leftists a lesson or something. How that works beats me. People don't normally do what you tell them after that sort of a crime. It just stiffens their resolve.

It has to be that way. Any other response simply invites further such atrocities. Kipling had it right---that once you pay geld to the Dane, the Dane never goes away.

Even adopting the perspective of an anti-immigrant doesn't make it possible to see any payoff to `the cause' from what ABB did. On top of everything else wrong with it, for his side it has to count as an own-goal.

Warped thinking from people who are in some ways smart grows out of an exceptionally poor sense of how other people think and feel. A lack, if you will, of even the intellectual and strategic dimension of sympathy.

676 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:09:20pm

re: #674 laZardo

A thread within a thread.

Threadception.

Does that mean we're going to have a train running through the middle of this thread? :D

677 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:09:31pm

re: #662 SanFranciscoZionist

Had one of those "not a girl" girls proposition me one night while I was drunkenly walking around, looking for a liquor store.

"You looking for a date"?

"Nah bro, but thanks for asking".

678 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:09:37pm

re: #668 Slumbering Behemoth

The ones in the Red Light District of Amsterdam, however...

often have Hep C or worse. It's a world I hope nobody here feels the need to enter, and one I hope everyone in finds a way out.

679 laZardo  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:10:20pm

re: #676 Dark_Falcon

Which one? The one that will take you far away? You know where you hope that train will take you...

680 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:11:03pm

re: #661 HappyWarrior

It's breaking my heart, and making want to say ban-able things. I'm half tempted to yank out my ethernet and burn it.

681 Inconsequential Consequence  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:11:21pm

re: #679 laZardo

Which one? The one that will take you far away? You know where you hope that train will take you...

Love, Sask.?

682 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:11:29pm

re: #660 darthstar

If you're in the right(or wrong, I suppose) part of town, they'll approach you. I was approached a couple of times in England when I lived there - believe me, your first instinct (after you stop the vomit coming up in the back of your throat) will be to politely excuse yourself as far away as possible.

Guy I know used to write for Lonely Planet. They send him to Munich. While walking around Munich in the middle of the night, he was approached by a lady who told him that for forty marks, he could have anything he wanted.

He: Anything? Anything at all?

She: Yep.

He: It's a very kind offer, but actually, I'm with him. (Points to his boyfriend, who is pretending that this conversation is not happening.)

She: I can find someone for him. Come on.

He: No, we're TOGETHER.

She: OK, both of you, but that's extra.

He: No, I mean...(grabs boyfriend, they make out a bit under the streetlamp)

She: I can find a guy for you.

And here we assess the complete success of Hitler's Big Idea--a gay Jewish guy shooing off hookers in the dead of night in Munich. It may be sordid, but it's kind of a victory, I guess.

683 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:11:35pm

re: #662 SanFranciscoZionist

You're the bestest!

684 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:11:48pm

Doctor walks into an exam room to give a patient the results of his CT scan after a bladder biopsy....
He says, "Sir, I have some very good and very bad news"
Patient: "Doctor, give me the bad news first"
Doctor: "Sir, you have aggressive, metastatic bladder cancer, there is cancer in your liver and lungs. I fear you have less than a year to live"
Patient: "Oh my God, that is terrible... wait, what is the good news?"
Doctor: "You know Sally, the young blonde who took your credit card and insurance information at the front desk? She told me that she likes me!"

685 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:11:56pm

re: #677 Slumbering Behemoth

Had one of those "not a girl" girls proposition me one night while I was drunkenly walking around, looking for a liquor store.

"You looking for a date"?

"Nah bro, but thanks for asking".

Humor does work. I once said, "Really? You find me attractive! I can't wait to get home and tell my wife!" (which I did)

686 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:11:56pm

re: #679 laZardo

Which one? The one that will take you far away? You know where you hope that train will take you...

No, just one that'll take me up to Milwaukee for a Battletech game this fall.

687 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:12:21pm

re: #655 Slumbering Behemoth

And suddenly I find myself tired and depressed. I don't know why, but this terrorist Anders bit and the wingnut reaction to it is bothering me way more than it should.

me too!

I don't like the world very much sometimes.

688 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:13:26pm

re: #672 Dark_Falcon

Are still best avoided. Much of the sex trade there is run by mobsters and slavers.

Quite true. And very sad.

689 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:13:35pm

re: #684 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

These jokes are coming from a Urologists blog.

690 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:14:06pm

re: #689 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

These jokes are coming from a Urologists blog.

Dicks.

691 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:14:13pm

re: #680 Slumbering Behemoth

It's breaking my heart, and making want to say ban-able things. I'm half tempted to yank out my ethernet and burn it.

Don't. They aren't worth it.

692 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:14:19pm

What's the difference between a hematologist and a urologist?

One pricks your finger...

693 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:14:33pm

re: #676 Dark_Falcon

Does that mean we're going to have a train running through the middle of this thread? :D

It's an enigma.

694 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:14:46pm

re: #690 Varek Raith

I would think penises.

695 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:14:50pm

re: #655 Slumbering Behemoth

And suddenly I find myself tired and depressed. I don't know why, but this terrorist Anders bit and the wingnut reaction to it is bothering me way more than it should.

{{hugs, SB}}
HARD.
Don't let it get you down.

697 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:15:20pm

re: #689 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

These jokes are coming from a Urologists blog.

Guy goes to the doc and the doc tells him he's got Kneesels.
"Kneesels? What the fuck is that? I want a second opinion!"
The doc says, "Fine, you've also got small-cox."

698 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:15:51pm
699 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:16:40pm

re: #698 Varek Raith

Image: th_haters-gon-hate.gif

I hated that.

Pink Ponies! I hate them.

700 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:16:59pm

A man is having problems with his penis. He consults a urologist. Urologist says, "Sorry, but you've overdone it the last 30 years. Your dick burned out; you only have 30 erections left in your penis."

The man walks home. his wife is already expecting him at the front door and asks him what the doctor said concerning his problem. He tells her what the doc told him. She says, "Oh no, only 30 times! We shouldn't waste that. We should make a list!"

He replies, "Yes, I already made a list on the way home. Sorry, your name isn't on it."

701 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:17:08pm

re: #698 Varek Raith

Image: th_haters-gon-hate.gif

What is this, the My Little Pony thread?

[dives into bunker]

702 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:17:27pm

re: #701 Dark_Falcon

What is this, the My Little Pony thread?

[dives into bunker]

Aww, she's cute.

703 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:18:12pm

re: #691 Dark_Falcon

Don't. They aren't worth it.

Indeed. 'Tis why I've been staying away from the internet lately.

704 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:18:45pm

re: #701 Dark_Falcon

What is this, the My Little Pony thread?

[dives into bunker]

How many guys do you know who will participate in a "My Little Penis" thread?

705 HappyWarrior  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:18:54pm

re: #680 Slumbering Behemoth

It's breaking my heart, and making want to say ban-able things. I'm half tempted to yank out my ethernet and burn it.

I know. Best way to honor their memories I think is to fight back against the bigotry espoused by their killer and his ideological allies.Every small way helps.

706 austin_blue  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:18:56pm

re: #680 Slumbering Behemoth

It's breaking my heart, and making want to say ban-able things. I'm half tempted to yank out my ethernet and burn it.

The hard right is spinning at about 4800 RPM. Be calm. Wait it out. Their spin will boomerang. At least I hope so.

Here's the hope:

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

This girl/young woman *deserved* to die?

707 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:19:14pm

re: #701 Dark_Falcon

What is this, the My Little Pony thread?

[dives into bunker]

Image: TOWAR.gif

708 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:20:14pm

Here is a puzzler for you:

Name a comedy where Dan Aykroyd played the main character without being teamed up with another comedian as part of a team/duo/group.

I can only think of one.

709 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:20:48pm

re: #706 austin_blue

The hard right is spinning at about 4800 RPM. Be calm. Wait it out. Their spin will boomerang. At least I hope so.

Here's the hope:

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

This girl/young woman *deserved* to die?

In Pam Geller's twisted mind, yes.

710 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:21:22pm

re: #704 darthstar

How many guys do you know who will participate in a "My Little Penis" thread?

My penis is soooo big I have to use two hands to jerk off.

One to hold the magnifying glass, the other to operate the tweezers.

711 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:21:50pm

re: #710 Slumbering Behemoth

My penis is sooo big I have to use two hands to jerk off.

One to hold the magnifying glass, the other to operate the tweezers.

-20 points.

712 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:22:07pm

re: #710 Slumbering Behemoth

My penis is sooo big I have to use two hands to jerk off.

One to hold the magnifying glass, the other to operate the tweezers.

Careful not to try that out in the sun.

713 laZardo  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:22:11pm

re: #706 austin_blue

I had a Crossing The Line Twice joke there about averages, but I'll refrain from saying it in its entirety.

714 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:22:42pm

re: #710 Slumbering Behemoth

TMI, but thanks for sharing!

715 darthstar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:22:54pm

internet break time...bbl

716 Inconsequential Consequence  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:24:05pm

re: #708 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Here is a puzzler for you:

Name a comedy where Dan Aykroyd played the main character without being teamed up with another comedian as part of a team/duo/group.

I can only think of one.

Evolution.

718 Inconsequential Consequence  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:24:42pm

re: #716 b_sharp

Evolution.

That should have a question mark after it.

719 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:24:55pm

re: #655 Slumbering Behemoth

And suddenly I find myself tired and depressed. I don't know why, but this terrorist Anders bit and the wingnut reaction to it is bothering me way more than it should.

Don't feel bad. It's extremely disturbing stuff. There's no one right reaction to what they are doing.

720 HappyWarrior  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:25:44pm

re: #706 austin_blue

The hard right is spinning at about 4800 RPM. Be calm. Wait it out. Their spin will boomerang. At least I hope so.

Here's the hope:

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

This girl/young woman *deserved* to die?

I hope so man. I have to say frankly as much as I despise people like Beck, Geller, and the others, I never thought I'd see the day where they would be justifying cold blooded murder and comparing school children to the Hitler youth because they don't like their politics. I mean damn as a College Democrats member, I sure as hell have my problems with the College Republicans ideologically and their attempts to destroy a precinct on campus I found deplorable but if something like that happened, I'd happily be the first to offer my condolences for their loved ones. No one deserves to be murdered simply because of ideology and frankly Geller's thinking that makes her a lot more like the terrorists then the left wingers she screaches about.

721 Inconsequential Consequence  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:25:49pm

G'night peeps.

722 austin_blue  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:27:10pm

re: #713 laZardo

I had a Crossing The Line Twice joke there about averages, but I'll refrain from saying it in its entirety.

What the fuck? Here was my post:

The hard right is spinning at about 4800 RPM. Be calm. Wait it out. Their spin will boomerang. At least I hope so.

Here's the hope:

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

This girl/young woman *deserved* to die?

723 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:28:35pm

re: #716 b_sharp

Evolution.

He played the Governor, not the main character. That was David Duchovny

724 Spocomptonite  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:30:36pm

re: #235 HoosierHoops

Just stubborn or something .Grump guy sometimes..Knows his stuff..
A couple years ago We were chatting about religion and i quoted an obscure Chinese Christian scholar from a 70 year old book...Dude knew the book instantly, I was floored...Walter is a smart, talented man who has a very soft gentle voice.. But boy he sure could be an asshole to people some times on the blog...

Tell me about it. I remember it was my first LGF thread as a poster, and the first person to respond to anything I say is Walter being a Grumpy Gus and taking my joking around way too seriously. It was so unexpected and unwarranted, I couldn't take him seriously in return.

725 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:31:31pm

re: #675 lostlakehiker

There's evidently some sentiment out there that this event will serve to teach leftists a lesson or something. How that works beats me. People don't normally do what you tell them after that sort of a crime. It just stiffens their resolve.

I think you just hit on it. They depend on false vision of their adversaries.

Problem is, they are they types who define themselves solely in terms of their adversaries. So they end up also having an extremely distorted idea about themselves on top of it.

726 austin_blue  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:32:46pm

Gots to go to bed. Night all! Sweet scaly dreams.

727 jaunte  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:33:09pm

re: #722 austin_blue

The hard right is spinning at about 4800 RPM.


Spencer has a post up by someone in France that's fairly sickening in the speed with which it dismisses the murders with a quick 'too bad' paragraph, then turns back to the propagandizing.

Google cache link:

The world's long wake for Norway has been hard for every friend of freedom. We should avoid self-pity by remembering those who suffer much more than we: the family members of those unarmed civilians murdered by a drug-addled, video-game obsessed plagiarist who still lived at home with his mother. There are a few sick souls out there who have expressed admiration for Anders Breivik; some racialists at the anti-Semitic site Occidental Dissent have taken to comparing Breivik to Batman—a self-made millionaire who bravely took action to save Gotham City. The fact that these people, like Breivik, take their inspiration from comic books speaks for itself. Like him, these cranks raise their sedentary pulses through boyish revenge and power fantasies. Like him, they should stick to dressing up like Jedi knights and dueling with plastic light sabers. They should leave questions of life and death, culture and the future, to those whose emotional age has at some point exceeded sixteen.

But once we have prayed for the dead, and grieved with the living, we have every reason to consider the implications of this slaughter — not so much for ourselves, since most of us are doing fine, but for the next generation of Europeans and Americans who will have to face a continuous escalation of Islamic self-assertion.[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

728 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:33:54pm

re: #724 Spocomptonite

Walter, grumpy? Shocka!
//

729 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:34:55pm

re: #719 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

It's just making me really angry and frustrated. When AQ attacked in 2001, most of the world cried for us. With this, some of my fellow Americans, deplorable as they may be, have become more so by behaving precisely like the murder loving assholes who passed out candy in the wake of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

730 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:36:17pm

re: #655 Slumbering Behemoth

And suddenly I find myself tired and depressed. I don't know why, but this terrorist Anders bit and the wingnut reaction to it is bothering me way more than it should.

It's a big, hard, nasty dose of reality.

I sit safe in my house on my laptop listening to P!nk, being the average person. Might as well be watching American Idol. Out there, there is some asshole seriously planning some wicked shit and I can only hope and pray the people we collectively have hired in government are doing their job.

There is no real way to prevent the Whackos, only search and destroy. Hopefully before they act out their fantasy.

731 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:38:15pm

re: #725 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I think you just hit on it. They depend on false vision of their adversaries.

Problem is, they are they types who define themselves solely in terms of their adversaries. So they end up also having an extremely distorted idea about themselves on top of it.

Their idea of 'lefties' is heavily based on the idea that not only are we evil, but we're extremely morally weak.

The fantasy is always, always, that someone tough with a gun will scare us, and we'll do whatever we have to make them go away.

732 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:38:53pm

re: #730 ggt

It's a big, hard, nasty dose of reality.

I sit safe in my house on my laptop listening to P!nk, being the average person. Might as well be watching American Idol. Out there, there is some asshole seriously planning some wicked shit and I can only hope and pray the people we collectively have hired in government are doing their job.

There is no real way to prevent the Whackos, only search and destroy. Hopefully before they act out their fantasy.

It could be anyone. You can't depend on any label or identifier.

Someone I see every day or have met before, someone I've never known.

Freakin' reality, sucks sometimes.

733 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:39:45pm

re: #731 SanFranciscoZionist

The fantasy is always, always, that someone tough with a gun will scare us, and we'll do whatever we have to make them go away.

Like poison their water supply or bash in their heads with a rock while they sleep?

734 Interesting Times  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:40:21pm

re: #729 Slumbering Behemoth

It's just making me really angry and frustrated. When AQ attacked in 2001, most of the world cried for us. With this, some of my fellow Americans, deplorable as they may be, have become more so by behaving precisely like the murder loving assholes who passed out candy in the wake of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

Completely understand why you feel that way. But the fact they're behaving like this doesn't surprise me at all. I mean, after you read comment after comment (on other sites, NOT here) basically threatening the President's life and that of his children, with racial slurs to boot, the only thing that surprises me is when people actually have a pay a real-world price for hatred and stochastic terrorism.

735 HappyWarrior  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:40:40pm

re: #731 SanFranciscoZionist

Their idea of 'lefties' is heavily based on the idea that not only are we evil, but we're extremely morally weak.

The fantasy is always, always, that someone tough with a gun will scare us, and we'll do whatever we have to make them go away.

Pretty much. I finally caught the Jon Stewart clip "Conservatives Special Victims Unit" and he pretty much showed how conservatives claim liberals are mean and yet at the same time say terrible shit about liberals. I am not saying liberals are immune from the nastiness but it is beyond hysterical to hear someone like Ann Coulter who has made a nice fortune hating on liberals say liberals are the real hateful ones. Now. maybe it's my temper but that makes me angry. It's a classic form of hate propaganda- accuse your opponent of being the real hateful one while you accuse them of being or doing vile things.

736 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:40:44pm

re: #729 Slumbering Behemoth

It's just making me really angry and frustrated. When AQ attacked in 2001, most of the world cried for us. With this, some of my fellow Americans, deplorable as they may be, have become more so by behaving precisely like the murder loving assholes who passed out candy in the wake of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

And, like them, feeling 150% justified in it.

I think the only thing that can be done is expose them, or point to when they show themselves for who they are. The day-to-day is definitely frustrating, though. I know what you mean.

737 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:41:53pm

re: #731 SanFranciscoZionist

I am happy to say that my membership here has disabused me of many misconceptions I once held regarding liberals. I'm even happier to say that this has happened due to conversing with Lizards like you.

738 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:42:04pm

re: #729 Slumbering Behemoth

It's just making me really angry and frustrated. When AQ attacked in 2001, most of the world cried for us. With this, some of my fellow Americans, deplorable as they may be, have become more so by behaving precisely like the murder loving assholes who passed out candy in the wake of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

How about the American's who don't have a clue. "Oh the White Supremacist thing last week?"

Yeah, the terror attack that was in many ways worse than 9/11. The psycho who planned it for 9 years . . .

739 HappyWarrior  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:42:43pm

I personally long for a day when Spencer and Geller's bigotry is seen in mainstream circles the way a group like the KKK is honestly. There is a frighteningly large number of people in this country who think racial and religious intolerance is fine as long as the people are Arab and or Muslim. It feels like we haven't learned a damn thing from the past. Things are better mind you but we still have a long way to go.

740 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:42:51pm

I have no respect whatever for Walter L. Newton at any level. He is a dilettante and a failure who habitually abuses people by violating the rules of discourse. Grumpy is one thing, threatening violence over the Internet is just stupid and dishonest. Threatening me with someone else's violence was cowardly, especially when he does it on behalf of people about whom he is obviously either ignorant or lying. The man was a nuisance and I'm glad he's gone.

741 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:43:51pm

re: #731 SanFranciscoZionist

Their idea of 'lefties' is heavily based on the idea that not only are we evil, but we're extremely morally weak.

The fantasy is always, always, that someone tough with a gun will scare us, and we'll do whatever we have to make them go away.

I always wonder where they get that idea from...certainly not our own history. One of the reasons they hated civil rights movements and labeled them "communism" was because they would not cave in the face of all their dogs, waterhoses, murders, church bombings, etc.

NOTHING they do works, especially not all their bluster. /Schadenfreude

Throwing in with or capitalizing on the shooting will have a slow effect of eventually marginalizing them. Only thing I keep wondering is, what takes their place.

742 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:44:05pm

re: #733 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Like poison their water supply or bash in their heads with a rock while they sleep?

Sadly, that is not part of the picture.

They envision us allowing them to take over Oklahoma with Sharia law.

743 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:44:55pm

re: #734 publicityStunted

I'm not surprised. I'm not even disappointed, as I have written off such hate mongers long ago. I'm still pissed, though.

744 Interesting Times  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:46:41pm

re: #743 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm not surprised. I'm not even disappointed, as I have written off such hate mongers long ago. I'm still pissed, though.

True. Now, it's like they're gleefully rubbing it in all our faces about how much they can get away with.

745 jaunte  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:47:15pm

re: #742 SanFranciscoZionist

That's one of the things that makes the 'anti-jihad' enthusiasts so creepy; that they can build up so much emotion, fear and energy over such a far-fetched fantasy outcome.

746 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:47:28pm

re: #740 Shiplord Kirel

Grumpy is one thing, threatening violence over the Internet is just stupid and dishonest. Threatening me with someone else's violence was cowardly, especially when he does it on behalf of people about whom he is obviously either ignorant or lying.

Holy shit! I missed that incident. What a fuck.

747 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:48:43pm

re: #742 SanFranciscoZionist

Sadly, that is not part of the picture.

They envision us allowing them to take over Oklahoma with Sharia law.

"Those bastards pray 7 times a day! I heard that from my buddy down down at that Megachurch thats open 24 hours a day."

748 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:48:56pm

re: #742 SanFranciscoZionist

Sadly, that is not part of the picture.

They envision us allowing them to take over Oklahoma with Sharia law.

Yup..They have pretty much been in the air of it since I've been here..

749 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:49:47pm

re: #740 Shiplord Kirel

Did Walter get banned? I missed that.

750 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:50:20pm

re: #746 Slumbering Behemoth

Holy shit! I missed that incident. What a fuck.

Asked me why I wasn't spitting teeth for using the word "redneck" in front of my west Texas friends, then characterized it as a racial slur. I guess he has never heard of Jeff Foxworthy and has limited experience with real rednecks, who very often consider the term and its affiliations a badge of honor.

751 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:50:20pm

re: #748 HoosierHoops

Hello, you!

752 HappyWarrior  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:51:02pm

What's ironic is that throughout the Bush years I was a huge critic of the man and his policies but I had to point out when I saw anti Muslim paranoia on the right in the Bush years that Bush the man that so many of them supported had after all appointed Muslims to his administration. I found out later that many on the right didn't see Bush as a "real conservative" anyhow which amused me since they were so nasty and dismissive to any left wing critic of the man.

753 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:51:06pm

re: #734 publicityStunted

Completely understand why you feel that way. But the fact they're behaving like this doesn't surprise me at all. I mean, after you read comment after comment (on other sites, NOT here) basically threatening the President's life and that of his children, with racial slurs to boot, the only thing that surprises me is when people actually have a pay a real-world price for hatred and stochastic terrorism.

It doesn't surprise me, either. People like that seem to believe that just because they think they are concealing their views, that no one can see them, or that the targets of those views are too dumb to see through the obvious.

stochastic terrorism.

Shorter: "dogwhistles" :)

754 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:51:17pm

re: #750 Shiplord Kirel

Funny, I imagined you as something of a redneck. In the positive sense, of course.
;)

755 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:51:26pm

re: #749 Floral Giraffe

Did Walter get banned? I missed that.

No, this was before his departure. I have no idea why he left, but I'm glad he's gone.

756 Interesting Times  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:51:31pm

re: #749 Floral Giraffe

Did Walter get banned? I missed that.

No. A time-out, mistakenly applied as a ban, which Charles promptly fixed when informed of the error. The time-out expired ages ago, and he's chosen not to return.

757 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:52:11pm

re: #754 Slumbering Behemoth

Funny, I imagined you as something of a redneck. In the positive sense, of course.
;)

Damn right!

758 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:52:16pm

re: #755 Shiplord Kirel

re: #756 publicityStunted

Well, it wasn't like he hadn't been warned.

759 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:52:40pm

re: #751 Floral Giraffe

Hello, you!

Hi You! It was only 10,000 degrees outside.. I'm over it..Now we go to the hot part of the summer..Really..I'm over it

760 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:53:44pm

re: #759 HoosierHoops

It's COLD here. WE had r-a-i-n yesterday.
Seriously weird.
*waves*

761 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:53:51pm

re: #752 HappyWarrior

What's ironic is that throughout the Bush years I was a huge critic of the man and his policies but I had to point out when I saw anti Muslim paranoia on the right in the Bush years that Bush the man that so many of them supported had after all appointed Muslims to his administration. I found out later that many on the right didn't see Bush as a "real conservative" anyhow which amused me since they were so nasty and dismissive to any left wing critic of the man.

Yeah, I remember that. Cue the earlier "no true Scotsman" conversation.

There should be one about cognitive dissonance, too.

762 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:55:17pm

re: #760 Floral Giraffe

It's COLD here. WE had r-a-i-n yesterday.
Seriously weird.
*waves*

It's almost as bad here as in Texas..No rain at all...Dry as a bone..

763 Interesting Times  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:55:28pm

re: #758 Floral Giraffe

re: #756 publicityStunted

Well, it wasn't like he hadn't been warned.

True. And put me in the do.not.want. camp for any "return". I still remember how he called a certain female poster here a "streetwalker", and never apologized, except in that lame-ass, "sorry you took offense to my perfectly innocent comment".

764 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:55:50pm

"Everybody makes fun of us until their car breaks down".

- Jeff Foxworthy

765 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:56:07pm

re: #737 Slumbering Behemoth

I am happy to say that my membership here has disabused me of many misconceptions I once held regarding liberals. I'm even happier to say that this has happened due to conversing with Lizards like you.

This is a good crowd for that. And ditto, I've met more conservatives here that I can dialogue with and learn from than I would normally ever run across in my real-world life.

766 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:58:24pm

re: #765 SanFranciscoZionist

Cool. But if you mention that damn Joan Baez song, I'm gonna pee in your Cheerios!
;)

767 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:58:27pm

re: #752 HappyWarrior

What's ironic is that throughout the Bush years I was a huge critic of the man and his policies but I had to point out when I saw anti Muslim paranoia on the right in the Bush years that Bush the man that so many of them supported had after all appointed Muslims to his administration. I found out later that many on the right didn't see Bush as a "real conservative" anyhow which amused me since they were so nasty and dismissive to any left wing critic of the man.

There is an odd dichotomy in that. The religious right endorsed Bush early in the 2000 primaries and gave him a powerful boost toward the nomination. At the same time, the crazy-cons have always been a little skeptical of him, from his history of alcohol and drug abuse to his Ivy League education they never really saw him as one of their own. He was, rather, someone they saw as favoring their agenda for partisan reasons and powerful enough to implement it.

768 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:59:00pm

re: #750 Shiplord Kirel

Asked me why I wasn't spitting teeth for using the word "redneck" in front of my west Texas friends, then characterized it as a racial slur.

It's a very PC response.

But I bet that guy was anti-"pc", though.

I don't use slurs like "cracker" (unless it's a regional identity like Florida or Georgia Cracker, and then, always capitalized) or "redneck" against people, online or off. But I'm also not going to bleep them out when writing them, either. Same for any other slur unless I know it's going to be bleeped out anyway.

769 HappyWarrior  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 9:59:10pm

re: #761 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yeah, I remember that. Cue the earlier "no true Scotsman" conversation.

There should be one about cognitive dissonance, too.

Yep, oh and it's always "Reagan was the only real conservative GOP president of the last fifty years" and I of course point out the debts, the hyping of the Drug War, and amnesty. The response is always to blame Tip O'Neil when that happens though. Amuses me, all the bad products of the Reagan years are Tip and Congressional liberals' fault but all the good products were all Ronnie and Tip and the Dem leadership had zlitch to do with that. And besides the idea that there was ever a purely conservative president is prosperous. I remember fellow liberals acting like in the Bush years that FDR was some perfect liberal but his record while IMO overall solid wasn't without flaws. Failure to support an anti lynching law, internment of the Japanese, and the court packing plan among them. And this coming from a guy whose mother's family no doubt became Democrats because of that man but I digress.

770 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:00:49pm

re: #768 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

(unless it's a regional identity like Florida or Georgia Cracker, and then, always capitalized)

Swampland makes lassos suck.

771 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:00:55pm

re: #767 Shiplord Kirel

There is an odd dichotomy in that. The religious right endorsed Bush early in the 2000 primaries and gave him a powerful boost toward the nomination. At the same time, the crazy-cons have always been a little skeptical of him, from his history of alcohol and drug abuse to his Ivy League education they never really saw him as one of their own. He was, rather, someone they saw as favoring their agenda for partisan reasons and powerful enough to implement it.

Bush was realistic as far as immigrant issues were concerned too! I liked him better than his father.

772 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:04:14pm

re: #769 HappyWarrior

I remember fellow liberals acting like in the Bush years that FDR was some perfect liberal but his record while IMO overall solid wasn't without flaws

Yeah, I can relate. Also, "the left" from FDR's time couldn't stand the New Deal because they felt it did not go far enough.

They're doing the same thing about Obama. And will do the same thing about the next D president.

The anybody-but-bush crowd seriously worked my nerves (in my view, they've just morphed from A-B-B into the stupid troothers, then into the Naderite/McKinneyites screaming about primarying Obama.)

773 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:05:43pm

re: #771 ggt

There's a free, weekly latino-centric newspaper in my area that I like to read. As they frame it, Mexicans in California are very unhappy with Obama's immigrant policy.

One of the things regularly cited is the fact that deportations have increased under his administration. This is true, but his administration has put greater emphasis than the last on deporting illegal immigrants with a criminal history in this country. I can find no fault with that.

774 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:08:56pm

re: #773 Slumbering Behemoth

There's a free, weekly latino-centric newspaper in my area that I like to read. As they frame it, Mexicans in California are very unhappy with Obama's immigrant policy.

One of the things regularly cited is the fact that deportations have increased under his administration. This is true, but his administration has put greater emphasis than the last on deporting illegal immigrants with a criminal history in this country. I can find no fault with that.

Bush and his cheap labor profiteer buddies had no problem with Mexicans being here, so long as they remained illegal and therefore easier to exploit.

775 HappyWarrior  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:09:03pm

re: #773 Slumbering Behemoth

There's a free, weekly latino-centric newspaper in my area that I like to read. As they frame it, Mexicans in California are very unhappy with Obama's immigrant policy.

One of the things regularly cited is the fact that deportations have increased under his administration. This is true, but his administration has put greater emphasis than the last on deporting illegal immigrants with a criminal history in this country. I can find no fault with that.

They've also strongly supported the Dream Act as well. Regarding Bush though, the immigration issue is when I started realizing he wasn't the right wing nutjob I thought he was. The man whether it's because of his nature or experiences with immigrants as both an oil man and major league baseball owner understood I think far better than the average Republican the hopes and dreams of your average American immigrant. I still have my strong disagreements with G.W Bush but unlike the TP crowd, I think I could have a cordial conservation with him and besides he likes baseball as much as I do if not more.

776 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:09:56pm

re: #767 Shiplord Kirel

There is an odd dichotomy in that. The religious right endorsed Bush early in the 2000 primaries and gave him a powerful boost toward the nomination. At the same time, the crazy-cons have always been a little skeptical of him, from his history of alcohol and drug abuse to his Ivy League education they never really saw him as one of their own. He was, rather, someone they saw as favoring their agenda for partisan reasons and powerful enough to implement it.

Mainstream conservatives are going to have to find a way to reconcile their social problems, but I doubt they ever will. I've found that the types who can't stand/resent the Palin/Bachmann anti-intellect constituency are usually the Bushistas who look down on that, anyway.

A section of that crowd, like Breitbart/Hot Air/Malkin/Tammy Bruce etc supports the tea party but is sick of social/cultural conservative harping on the same old bugbears like abortion and lgbt.

Then there's the issue of what arguments the the moneybags like AFP/Dick Armey/Freedom Works/Citizens United, etc are going to exploit them -- economic/class-climber anxiety, or social anxiety. Lol what a mess.

777 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:10:37pm

re: #774 Shiplord Kirel

Bush and his cheap labor profiteer buddies had no problem with Mexicans being here, so long as they remained illegal and therefore easier to exploit.

He wanted a guest worker pass. Tancredo and others said NO.

778 HappyWarrior  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:11:18pm

re: #772 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yeah, I can relate. Also, "the left" from FDR's time couldn't stand the New Deal because they felt it did not go far enough.

They're doing the same thing about Obama. And will do the same thing about the next D president.

The anybody-but-bush crowd seriously worked my nerves (in my view, they've just morphed from A-B-B into the stupid troothers, then into the Naderite/McKinneyites screaming about primarying Obama.)

Yep, grass is always greener on the other side sort of things. I understand the frustrations with Obama honest but the left who thought he was going to agree with them on every issue was naive at best. I wasn't shocked at all that he upped Afghanistan since he talked about doing that. Hyperpartisans on both sides are impossible to satisfy.

779 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:11:48pm

re: #741 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I always wonder where they get that idea from...certainly not our own history. One of the reasons they hated civil rights movements and labeled them "communism" was because they would not cave in the face of all their dogs, waterhoses, murders, church bombings, etc.

NOTHING they do works, especially not all their bluster. /Schadenfreude

Throwing in with or capitalizing on the shooting will have a slow effect of eventually marginalizing them. Only thing I keep wondering is, what takes their place.

The wingnuts now insist, of course, that the civil rights movement was not a left-wing movement at all.

Some of them, I think, also still think it was communist.

780 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:11:59pm

re: #776 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Then there's the issue of what arguments the the moneybags like AFP/Dick Armey/Freedom Works/Citizens United, etc are going to exploit them -- economic/class-climber anxiety, or social anxiety. Lol what a mess.

Should read: Then there's the issue of what arguments the moneybags like AFP/Dick Armey/Freedom Works/Citizens United, etc are going to use to exploit them -- economic/class-climber anxiety, or social anxiety. Lol what a mess.

781 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:12:37pm

re: #777 ggt

He wanted a guest worker pass. Tancredo and others said NO.

He knew the guest worker program was a non-starter. There is a lot that can be done at the administrative level to reduce the incredible array of hoops and hurdles and delays that await anyone who tries to come to this country legally to work.

782 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:13:58pm

re: #747 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"Those bastards pray 7 times a day! I heard that from my buddy down down at that Megachurch thats open 24 hours a day."

There's a moment in 'Persepolis', where the little girl tells her parents that the kid down the street, from a newly religious family--this is right after the revolution, in Iran--says he prays five times a day. Her mother tells her fiercely that if anyone asks, she's to say she prays.

Next panel, a school friend is saying he prays five times a day--what about her?

Marjane says, "Me? Ten, maybe fifteen times."

783 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:14:28pm

re: #779 SanFranciscoZionist

The wingnuts now insist, of course, that the civil rights movement was not a left-wing movement at all.

Some of them, I think, also still think it was communist.

Why not both? They've invented gay/Muslim shariah conspiracies, so right-wing communists shouldn't be too much of a stretch.

784 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:14:30pm

re: #779 SanFranciscoZionist

The wingnuts now insist, of course, that the civil rights movement was not a left-wing movement at all.

Some of them, I think, also still think it was communist.

MLK was a republican!

I mean, when he wasn't being a communist!

/ignorant wingnut

785 JAFO  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:15:17pm

re: #778 HappyWarrior

Yep, grass is always greener on the other side sort of things. I understand the frustrations with Obama honest but the left who thought he was going to agree with them on every issue was naive at best. I wasn't shocked at all that he upped Afghanistan since he talked about doing that. Hyperpartisans on both sides are impossible to satisfy.

Yeh, I understand all that. I just wish he wouldn't stake out an initial position to the right of the Republicans initial position.

786 HappyWarrior  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:15:39pm

re: #779 SanFranciscoZionist

The wingnuts now insist, of course, that the civil rights movement was not a left-wing movement at all.

Some of them, I think, also still think it was communist.

Yeah they claim and with some truth that MLK was a Republican but ignore that MLK and other civil rights activists grew disgusted with the GOP's rightward turn on civil rights when they nominated Goldwater in 64. Not calling Goldwater a bigot here because he did from what I know oppose the CRA of 64 on constitutional grounds and had supported other CR legislation in the past but if one can't see how that was seen as a slap in the face to blacks who had long supported what they saw as the party of Lincoln, they're delusional. Jackie Robinson had been a huge Nelson Rockefeller fan and had even supported Nixon over Kennedy in 1960 because he felt and with truth that Nixon had the better record but when Nixon started being all chummy with Strom Thurmond in 1968, he supported Humphrey. Conservatives who don't understand why many Blacks are hostile to the modern GOP are delusional if you ask me and then they make cracks about the liberal plantation which is stupid.

787 HappyWarrior  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:17:42pm

re: #785 mracb

Yeh, I understand all that. I just wish he wouldn't stake out an initial position to the right of the Republicans initial position.

Yeah believe me, I feel the frustration. I was really disappointed that he didn't get as much done as I thought was possible with the Dem majorities in both houses the first two years and arguably a huge mandate from the people. I really think he should have called out the Republicans who were constantly filibustering his legislation.

788 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:17:43pm

Thanks for the jokes and the support, Lizards. Until next time...

"Rest well, and dream of large women"

789 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:17:57pm

re: #778 HappyWarrior

Yep, grass is always greener on the other side sort of things. I understand the frustrations with Obama honest but the left who thought he was going to agree with them on every issue was naive at best. I wasn't shocked at all that he upped Afghanistan since he talked about doing that. Hyperpartisans on both sides are impossible to satisfy.

I think a lot of them must have drunk the same "he's a socialist!!!!!!" kool-aid along with the proto-tea party.

I often say, people somehow expected Cotton Comes to Harlem to take office when, had they been paying attention, it was Mr. Tibbs who was running.

790 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:21:44pm

night all!

791 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:26:10pm

re: #786 HappyWarrior

MLK
Goldwater in 64
Strom Thurmond in 1968, he supported Humphrey.

Well, it's just pandering based on ignorance of anything Black, and elevated, supremacist views of themselves. The same dupes are very quick in purporting educate us on everything wrong/pathological about our own communities, knowing exactly zero about them. I think it's funny.

Re: their latest ploy to get more votes, nothing else works to harangue and cajole today's Black voters into voting with people who wave Confederate flags, so hey, trot out the slavery references. Of course, when we bring up the slave/confederate era ourselves, the same people' first response is STOP LIVING IN THE PAST GET OVER IT THAT WAS THEN THIS IS NOW MOVE ON
blah
blah
blah /eyeroll

Lol dumb bigots.

792 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:28:49pm

re: #786 HappyWarrior

Conservatives who don't understand why many Blacks are hostile to the modern GOP are delusional if you ask me and then they make cracks about the liberal plantation which is stupid.

Yeah, I have Republicans of both sorts in my family; old school, MLK's/Condi's parent's era, and post-Civil Rights, social conservative era. And I used to be one of the latter, myself.

So, conservatives dumb enough to try that old pandering act with me end up in a world of hurt. To me, it's comedy.

793 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:31:04pm

re: #777 ggt

He wanted a guest worker pass. Tancredo and others said NO.

McCain and Palin also got painted as "AMNESTY!!!!!" cons. And, as it's been mentioned before, Reagan was Mr. Amnesty himself. Yet Palin is supposed to be the 2nd coming of Saint Ronald.

They are so confused.

794 jvic  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:42:02pm

re: #783 Shiplord Kirel

Why not both? They've invented gay/Muslim shariah conspiracies, so right-wing communists shouldn't be too much of a stretch.

I've been reading in stoic silence, but this is beyond the pale. You're goading me about Jonah Goldberg's wince 'Liberal Fascism', aren't you? /

795 Irenicum  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:43:30pm

Wow. It's been a while since I've hung out here and I decided to read through this thread and it brought back memories from when I first came on board about 2 1/2 years ago at the end of the creationist flouncing and bouncing. It was definitely a crazy barroom crowd back then. A lot calmer nowadays. A few folks mentioned Walter above and I remember him well. He was a crusty old bugger and we often disagreed. But Walter was also incredibly generous (and damn smart). I know from personal experience with him. He's a cool cat even if we butted heads. I miss him, Cato, and several other old timers. It was a crazy but fun time.

Though I am glad to see some traditions have stayed the same, such as boob and penis jokes. They never get old.

796 simoom  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:49:29pm

I just took a gander at DKos -- it's sort of impressive how the President can be both a sekrit Socialist / Marxist Manchurian candidate to one side of the blogosphere and "Trojan Horse" Manchurian candidate for the "right-wing corporate plutocracy" on the other. :-P He apparently is now taking his marching orders from Norquist and a whole host of other RW bogeymen. ///

797 Kragar  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:51:16pm

re: #796 simoom

I just took a gander at DKos -- it's sort of impressive how the President can be both a sekrit Socialist / Marxist Manchurian candidate to one side of the blogosphere and "Trojan Horse" Manchurian candidate for the "right-wing corporate plutocracy" on the other. :-P He apparently is now taking his marching orders from Norquist and a whole host of other RW bogeymen. ///

He's all things to all people.

798 Irenicum  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:57:18pm

re: #796 simoom

This is what I posted on my G+ page about that:

In seeing the breaking news about the WH GOP debt talks seeing some progress, I can audibly hear the gasps of horror from both the left and right ideologues at their "pure" principles being violated before their very eyes.

799 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 10:59:38pm

re: #783 Shiplord Kirel

Why not both? They've invented gay/Muslim shariah conspiracies, so right-wing communists shouldn't be too much of a stretch.

Hey wait, I thought gays were nazi bullies.

Oh just remembered, nazis are socialists, which is why Obama is such a pansy/pussy/wimp/muslim, who puts on mommy jeans and throws like a girl!

Besides, Herman Cain says lgbts are fine in his cabinet since gays, unlike Muslims, aren't trying and implement shariah law.

So, nevermind.

800 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 11:46:17pm

If Atheists Acted Religious

801 Ben G. Hazi  Mon, Aug 1, 2011 11:49:41pm

re: #30 elizajane

Feel Goos Story of the Day II: Gabriel Giffords returns to congress to vote on debt ceiling deal! My heroine.

“I have closely followed the debate over our debt ceiling and have been deeply disappointed at what’s going on in Washington,” Giffords said in a written statement. “After weeks of failed debate in Washington, I was pleased to see a solution to this crisis emerge. I strongly believe that crossing the aisle for the good of the American people is more important than party politics. I had to be here for this vote. I could not take the chance that my absence could crash our economy.”

Read more: [Link: www.politico.com...]

Fuck yeah! With all of the crappy news out of Washington here lately, I'm glad to see Giffords making a return...definitely feel-good news when this country needs some.

802 Lidane  Tue, Aug 2, 2011 12:15:57am

re: #698 Varek Raith

Image: th_haters-gon-hate.gif

My Little Darth Vader ;)

The entire set is amazing. I love it.

803 FQ Kafir  Tue, Aug 2, 2011 7:06:28am

Conservatives would do well to eschew Creationism in all is forms. Too bad the hyper-religious right continues to forcefully propagate such nonsense.

804 FQ Kafir  Tue, Aug 2, 2011 7:09:28am

re: #803 FQ Kafir

Kinda related:

This is an excellent video on how to visualize ten dimensions.

805 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 2, 2011 3:23:44pm

Hi Jimmah!
*smooch*


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