Ahh, that fresh thread feeling (since I apparently killed the previous thread) ;-P

Just in time for me to go off to work...

But remember, modern journalism is not about telling people what they need to know, it is about telling people what they want to hear.

Because they know that people who want to hear what they don't want to hear are too rare to generate ratings....

What I want to hear:

I'd also like to hear legend Susann McDonald:

Morning Honcos. And that guy, too.

My friend's GF posted "Corvette beats Farrari" on her FB page (no link but I'm sure she read it somewhere). So I posted "It's spelled Ferarri, way to go American educational system!!!"

@AshBaxNYC Hey moron, no one at the camp was 14. All 16 or over and most shot were adults who were neo-Nazis & Hamasniks #idiots #fact
1 Aug

This person gets invited on TV?

Gallery of all of the victims:

[Link: www.vg.no...]

re: #7 000G

This person gets invited on TV?

I'm not surprised. This is just another reason I don't watch them. All news outlets are douchebags. I would think some would put her on to mock her, with good reason. But then again, Pat Robertson still gets face time. But my favorite is when an outlet with have 1 person with a certain view of a subject and 4 more with opposite views. That's when it sounds like a goddamned chicken coop on Jolt cola.

G'noon, mignons.

re: #10 Sergey Romanov

G'noon, mignons.

Are we cute or are we steaks? Or cute steaks?
/

re: #11 Cannadian Club Akbar

Are we cute or are we steaks? Or cute steaks?
/

Not cute steaks, no, you're a cute couple.

re: #12 Sergey Romanov

Not cute steaks, no, you're a cute couple.

She needs a step ladder.

re: #7 000G

"Hamasniks"...I bet she thinks that's very clever.

She is so disgusting.

re: #14 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

But not Goebbels, no, anything but.

/sorry ;)

Swing and a (possible) miss.

re: #16 Cannadian Club Akbar

Invasion of the Giant Tentacles?

re: #17 Sergey Romanov

Invasion of the Giant Tentacles?

We haven't had a hurricane hit where I live in 90 years. Had some Tropical Storms and some that skirted the coast, though.

re: #15 Sergey Romanov

But not Goebbels, no, anything but.

/sorry ;)

Haha well, she and Goebbels are both quite disgusting, it's true.

re: #4 freetoken

I'd also like to hear legend Susann McDonald:

[Video]

Good one.

re: #6 Cannadian Club Akbar

My friend's GF posted "Corvette beats Farrari" on her FB page (no link but I'm sure she read it somewhere). So I posted "It's spelled Ferarri, way to go American educational system!!!"

You had to look that up 1st though, didn't you!!

re: #6 Cannadian Club Akbar

My friend's GF posted "Corvette beats Farrari" on her FB page (no link but I'm sure she read it somewhere). So I posted "It's spelled Ferrarri, way to go American educational system!!!"

FTFY ;)

re: #21 sattv4u2

You had to look that up 1st though, didn't you!!

Shut up.

re: #22 Sergey Romanov

FTFY ;)

I spelled it rite on the FB page, though!!

The Boston Cream donuts from QT's are addictive!!

re: #24 Cannadian Club Akbar

I spelled it rite on the FB page, though!!

Whew! *rubs sweat off forehead*

re: #25 sattv4u2

Those sound amazing.

re: #26 Sergey Romanov

Whew! *rubs sweat off forehead*

If you and Satt are gonna gang up on me, I'll take my ball and go home!!
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re: #25 sattv4u2

The Boston Cream donuts from QT's are addictive!!

Did ya get me a coconut one?

re: #29 Cannadian Club Akbar

Did ya get me a coconut one?

Yup.

It was good with my third cup of coffee!

re: #30 sattv4u2

Yup.

It was good with my third cup of coffee!

I have a brand new quart of 1/2 and 1/2 for my coffee.

re: #19 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

BTW, I had to look it up earlier, but yeah, Debbie is a total Kahanist: i.e. a literal fascist. She is also a terrorism supporter (she likes terrorist org JDL).

[Link: www.debbieschlussel.com...]

re: #28 Cannadian Club Akbar

If you and Satt are gonna gang up on me, I'll take my ball and go home!!
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Thats okay

I have my own balls
And knowing you, they're in better working condition even at my age!

re: #28 Cannadian Club Akbar

If you and Satt are gonna gang up on me, I'll take my ball and go home!!
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re: #31 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have a brand new quart of 1/2 and 1/2 for my coffee.

With as little as I use per cup, a quart would last me about 7 months

re: #32 Sergey Romanov

BTW, I had to look it up earlier, but yeah, Debbie is a total Kahanist: i.e. a literal fascist. She is also a terrorism supporter (she likes terrorist org JDL).

[Link: www.debbieschlussel.com...]

Yeah, I'm not surprised one iota she likes JDL and Kahanists.

Did you see Alouette's page about the Kahanists and CUFI?

Debbie is right in the pocket for that.

Lol her screeds against Palin are also a...treat. :/

re: #36 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

A comment at Debbie's:

You have updated yourself a bit, as you also link to Baruch Goldstein (who almost certainly prevented a slaughter of Jews and is therefore to be commended–I only condemn him for being doctor to the Arabs for all those years, as one should not aid those who want to kill you). Interestingly (and like a typical Jewish anti-Semite), you actually think that one incident of Jewish terror (which I do not think was terror at all) serves to shut down well supported charges of systematic Muslim murderousness that began when Mo went to Medina and hasn’t let up since. Only a leftist could believe this.

re: #37 Sergey Romanov

A comment at Debbie's:

Yeah, DS is a "leftist". Klassy. 9_9

and on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

re: #38 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Not about DS, it's from some discussion there. Just to show the crowd there.

re: #40 Sergey Romanov

Not about DS, it's from some discussion there. Just to show the crowd there.

Ah, I see. I've been reading DS for some years, but rarely the comments. I only assumed they were every bit as deranged.

Overall, she strikes me as someone who is trying too hard.

re: #41 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Well, we're both into "trash-diving", I think, so she can be amusing compared to an average stale rwnj blog. What other rwnj hates Hannity with a passion?

re: #42 Sergey Romanov

Well, we're both into "trash-diving", I think, so she can be amusing compared to an average stale rwnj blog. What other rwnj hates Hannity with a passion?

Lol true. Or Fox. I mean, the paleocons sort of just yawn at Fox but Debbie...eesh.

Well, she is useful for quoting to the more rabid Muslim-hating rwnj, re: NewsCorp and the Saudis, although the only point of that would be to rub their noses in their cognitive dissonance.

How come you trash dive? I do it to stay informed on the people who see folks like me as their legit target for all their anxieties. Plus, I (unfortunately) have a mind for the minutiae of factionalism where ever it appears. So both the far left and right are good for that.

Morning, all

re: #43 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Oh, it's my love of all the weird things - cults, extremists, conspiracies, pseudoscience, pseudohistory, the demon-haunted world. It's fun.

re: #45 Sergey Romanov

Oh, it's my love of all the weird things - cults, extremists, conspiracies, pseudoscience, pseudohistory, the demon-haunted world. It's fun.

Do you ever listen to Coast to Coast AM?

re: #45 Sergey Romanov

Oh, it's my love of all the weird things - cults, extremists, conspiracies, pseudoscience, pseudohistory, the demon-haunted world. It's fun.

There are days you worry me.
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re: #46 Cannadian Club Akbar

Do you ever listen to Coast to Coast AM?

Is Art Bell still around?

re: #46 Cannadian Club Akbar

No, I don't listen to radio, especially foreign one.

re: #48 researchok

Is Art Bell still around?

No. I think he's been gone since 2000 or 2001, although he does occasionally guest host.

re: #50 Cannadian Club Akbar

No. I think he's been gone since 2000 or 2001, although he does occasionally guest host.

He was riveting in a way.

The guy ran with UFO story line for along time...and people kept coming back.

re: #49 Sergey Romanov

No, I don't listen to radio, especially foreign one.

It's awesome. Aliens, civilizations in the center of the earth, NWO, Mayan calendar, all kinds of crazy. And what is most fucked up is many of the guest have doctorate degrees.

re: #51 researchok

He was riveting in a way.

The guy ran with UFO story line for along time...and people kept coming back.

I started listening because my car at the time only had AM radio.

re: #52 Cannadian Club Akbar

It's awesome. Aliens, civilizations in the center of the earth, NWO, Mayan calendar, all kinds of crazy. And what is most fucked up is many of the guest have doctorate degrees.

Oh, there are so many young-Earth creationists with PhDs that I'm not surprised at all. Anyway, listening to crazy radio would be a time waster for a "dumpster-diver" - the text you can quickly assess and skim, not so with talk shows.

re: #53 Cannadian Club Akbar

I started listening because my car at the time only had AM radio.

I recall listening to Larry King one night as he discussed cattle mutilations in CO and WY.

We were driving up to Steamboat Springs in the middle of night, traversing Rabbit's Ears Pass and not another soul in sight.

Scared the living daylights out of me.

re: #55 researchok

I recall listening to Larry King one night as he discussed cattle mutilations in CO and WY.

We were driving up to Steamboat Springs in the middle of night, traversing Rabbit's Ears Pass and not another soul in sight.

Scared the living daylights out of me.

BOO!

re: #56 Varek Raith

BOO!

Exactly what I was expecting to see at the time!

re: #45 Sergey Romanov

Oh, it's my love of all the weird things - cults, extremists, conspiracies, pseudoscience, pseudohistory, the demon-haunted world. It's fun.

I agree. Always something new to learn. Are you on JREF?

re: #58 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Nah, with the exception of historical stuff (Holocaust-related and otherwise) I don't enjoy taking part in such forums. Dunno why. I like reading skeptical/research articles, but discussions mostly leave me cold.

re: #57 researchok

Exactly what I was expecting to see at the time!

And then you remembered you're not a cow!

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re: #60 Sergey Romanov

And then you remembered you're not a cow!

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I knew I wasn't a cow.

I was hoping the aliens also knew.

re: #61 researchok

I knew I wasn't a cow.

I was hoping the aliens also knew.

The aliens might have mutilated cows but they only probe humans. You were safe.
/

re: #31 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have a brand new quart of 1/2 and 1/2 for my coffee.

re: #62 Cannadian Club Akbar

The aliens might have mutilated cows but they only probe humans. You were safe.
/

Speaking of aliens.
Awesome game.

re: #59 Sergey Romanov

I lurk at JREF but never post. A couple friends of mine are troother debunkers over there. 9/11 troof provided no end to the hobby.

re: #63 ggt

[Video]

Dogs woke me up.

What's everyone else's excuse?

It's that time. I'll be glad when the rush is over.

All this work is very taxing.

Later all

re: #67 ggt

Dogs woke me up.

What's everyone else's excuse?

Have to be up early, anyway.

re: #65 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

My friend Nick Terry posts there on HD-related topics.

book of the day

re: #71 ggt

book of the day

don't let the food police see that!!

There is nothing on my calendar for today.

What shall I do?

re: #71 ggt

book of the day

Have you seen "This is Why You're Fat"?

re: #72 Cannadian Club Akbar

don't let the food police see that!!

I thought it, perhaps, might explain some of the rwnj's - -no?

Eating the sammich on the cover is like cannibalism or something.

re: #76 Sergey Romanov

Eating the sammich on the cover is like cannibalism or something.

You start with the tongue, slowly proceeding to the eyes... ew.

re: #75 ggt

I thought it, perhaps, might explain some of the rwnj's - -no?

I think there are equally fat people on both sides.

re: #70 Sergey Romanov

My friend Nick Terry posts there on HD-related topics.

Yeah, crankage fascinates me. Earlier this year there was this total loon Colleen Thomas who had a little 15 minute episode on youtube, after people spotted what they thought was some UFO off the coast of LA. Absurd.

re: #78 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think there are equally fat people on both sides.

If Michael Moore battled Rush Limbaugh, who you would bet on?

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re: #80 Sergey Romanov

If Michael Moore battled Rush Limbaugh, who you would bet on?

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Rosie O'Donnell.
/

re: #80 Sergey Romanov

If Michael Moore battled Rush Limbaugh, who you would bet on?

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Rush, he looks like he might have played football or something. Like there might have been muscles under the fat at one time.

Michael Moore --not so much.

re: #81 Cannadian Club Akbar

Rosie O'Donnell.
/

good answer!!!

LOL

re: #82 ggt

Rush, he looks like he might have played football or something. Like there might have been muscles under the fat at one time.

Michael Moore --not so much.

Actually, Rush isn't all that fat anymore. A perk of having a personal chef.

re: #82 ggt

Well, remembering exactly how Rush evaded the draft...

Cuba going the way of China?

What? Life is perfect in England?

Ok, I really don't know how this compares with the US.

re: #86 ggt

Cuba going the way of China?

This will help the Tampa economy. Will be better when we finally lift the embargo.
[Link: www2.tbo.com...]

re: #87 ggt

Who thought life was perfect in the UK?

re: #89 Obdicut

Who thought life was perfect in the UK?

I don't know. There always seem to be people comparing us to the UK. Crime rates etc.

I have a couple of friends who think the UK is the beginning and the end of perfection. I get tired of hearing it.

Morning Obdi--how are you?

re: #88 Cannadian Club Akbar

[Link: www2.tbo.com...]

Virgin first class Tampa to Cuba or gtfo

re: #89 Obdicut

Who thought life was perfect in the UK?

Actually, I guess it's worse that I thought.

re: #92 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Virgin first class Tampa to Cuba or gtfo

Just take a boat to the Keys and head south.

re: #94 Cannadian Club Akbar

Just take a boat to the Keys and head south.

How to get from Cuba to the US.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

re: #94 Cannadian Club Akbar

Just take a boat to the Keys and head south.

An aunt of mine married a Cuban. Right before the 1980 boat people mess. I don't know whatever became of him, though. We didn't have much contact.

Japanese Specialists?

It is probably good I don't understand.

'The confessed killer in Norway's twin terror attacks that claimed 77 lives has presented a long list of "unrealistic" demands, including the resignation of the government and that his mental condition be investigated by Japanese specialists, his defense lawyer said Tuesday.

Geir Lippestad told The Associated Press his client has two lists of demands. One consists of requests common among inmates such as for cigarettes and civilian clothing. The other is "unrealistic, far, far from the real world and shows he doesn't know how society works," Lippestad said by telephone.

Lippestad said 32-year-old Anders Behring Breivik links this second list to his willingness to share information about two other alleged terrorist cells that Breivik has mentioned during questioning.

"They are completely impossible to fulfill," Lippestad said, adding that although Breivik has agreed to be examined by local psychiatrists, he also wants to be investigated by Japanese specialists.

"He claims the Japanese understand the idea and values of honor and that a Japanese [specialist] would understand him a lot better than any European would."

Lippestad said his client has also demanded complete political reform, in which he wants to be assigned a key role.

"His demands here include the complete overthrowing of both the Norwegian and European societies," he said, noting it includes the resignation of the Norwegian government but declined to give further details. "But it shows that he doesn't understand the situation he's in"

re: #90 ggt

I don't know. There always seem to be people comparing us to the UK. Crime rates etc.

I have a couple of friends who think the UK is the beginning and the end of perfection. I get tired of hearing it.

Huh. I've never met anyone, in the UK or elsewhere, who thought that. Britain's been grappling with problems in their educational system for a long time.

re: #97 ggt

Japanese Specialists?

"Lippestad said his client has also demanded complete political reform, in which he wants to be assigned a key role.

"His demands here include the complete overthrowing of both the Norwegian and European societies," he said, noting it includes the resignation of the Norwegian government but declined to give further details. "But it shows that he doesn't understand the situation he's in"

Then he needs to be locked up and drugged.

Dumb, mass-murdering bigot.

My new term for the House and Senate Republicans is "Banana Republicans", because of this unprecedented blackmail maneuver they just pulled. And because they're bananas.

If they're not punished for this at the polls, our nation is in serious, serious trouble.

The good news is that i think corporations and other major donors are probably not going to throw as much support behind them, now that they've seen that just how deep the GOP economic idiocy is.

The bad news is that their entrenched propaganda machines are still going full-bore, and there are some heavy donors, like the Koch's and others, who will pour money into the upcoming elections.

I bet those who supported the GOP in the last election out of some belief that they were serious about fiscal sanity are feeling like enormous idiots right now.

dogs, now, think they should eat.

bbiab

re: #100 Obdicut

My new term for the House and Senate Republicans is "Banana Republicans", because of this unprecedented blackmail maneuver they just pulled. And because they're bananas.

I wonder if they are being blackmailed, a la NewsCorp, themselves. Total speculation, but I bet Uncle Rupert and Uncle Alwaleed are happy they got knocked out of the news by stupid Anders.

They are so off the chain these days, I don't believe it's all because they hate Obama. Yeah they hate him but that doesn't explain their insane behavior with this debt limit mess.

re: #102 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I wonder if they are being blackmailed, a la NewsCorp, themselves. Total speculation, but I bet Uncle Rupert and Uncle Alwaleed are happy they got knocked out of the news by stupid Anders.

They are so off the chain these days, I don't believe it's all because they hate Obama. Yeah they hate him but that doesn't explain their insane behavior with this debt limit mess.

Votes, Votes, Votes

It's all about votes.

re: #80 Sergey Romanov

If Michael Moore battled Rush Limbaugh, who you would bet on?

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Rush has the advantage of a nice cocktail of pain and boner pills. He's ready for any contingency.

re: #103 ggt

Votes, Votes, Votes

It's all about votes.

At least politicians vote according to polling data and not what they actually think is right.
/

re: #97 ggt

Japanese Specialists?

It is probably good I don't understand.

> and shows he doesn't know how society works," Lippestad said by telephone.

Lippestad is being less than ho a lawyer here. He's read the book and knows full well that ABB acts according to the book and moreover knows what reaction such demands would cause. He's playing the "he's insane" angle.

re: #105 Cannadian Club Akbar

At least politicians vote according to polling data and not what they actually think is right.
/

And we vote for what we perceive is the lesser of two evils.

Nice system, huh?

re: #106 Sergey Romanov

> and shows he doesn't know how society works," Lippestad said by telephone.

Lippestad is being less than ho a lawyer here. He's read the book and knows full well that ABB acts according to the book and moreover knows what reaction such demands would cause. He's playing the "he's insane" angle.

Does that mean he's going for a rubber room instead of a prison cell?

I wouldn't mind that.

re: #106 Sergey Romanov

> and moreover knows

ABB knows, that is. He wrote that when these demands will be read aloud, everyone will be "laughing their asses off", and that it should not matter.

re: #107 ggt

And we vote for what we perceive is the lesser of two evils.

Nice system, huh?

In the Senate primaries in 2004, I voted for a woman who got .2% of the vote. Mel Martinez won the primary, then the Senate seat.

re: #102 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

They are so off the chain these days, I don't believe it's all because they hate Obama. Yeah they hate him but that doesn't explain their insane behavior with this debt limit mess.

Oh, it's definitely not all about hating Obama. Norquist and Armey and the rest of the Club for Growth assholes are honest when they say that they want government small enough to drown it in a bathtub. They're anarcho-capitalists, basically, though with a heavy law-enforcement angle thrown in.

They're capitalizing on a viciously racist reaction to Obama, and on the success of the unchecked propaganda machine they've had in place. The demographics are moving against them, they know it, and they're trying to establish radical change right now because they think it's their last chance to.

That's why all the union-busting, the redistricting, the attempts at voter corralling and all the rest.

But it's not a long-term plan. It's not even a good short term plan. At best, this radical, insane crap they're pulling gets them another election cycle, where-- as per Bloodstar's "We're all screwed" pages-- they enact tons of terrible socially conservative and economically conservative crap, and then get thrown out.

Unless they fundamentally change the structure of government, they can't keep anything they gain.

re: #108 ggt

I had an impression that it is easier to get out of the rubber room. "Hey, you're already got better? Well, seems like we can no longer make you stay here."

re: #111 Obdicut

Oh, it's definitely not all about hating Obama. Norquist and Armey and the rest of the Club for Growth assholes are honest when they say that they want government small enough to drown it in a bathtub. They're anarcho-capitalists, basically, though with a heavy law-enforcement angle thrown in.

They're capitalizing on a viciously racist reaction to Obama, and on the success of the unchecked propaganda machine they've had in place. The demographics are moving against them, they know it, and they're trying to establish radical change right now because they think it's their last chance to.

That's why all the union-busting, the redistricting, the attempts at voter corralling and all the rest.

But it's not a long-term plan. It's not even a good short term plan. At best, this radical, insane crap they're pulling gets them another election cycle, where-- as per Bloodstar's "We're all screwed" pages-- they enact tons of terrible socially conservative and economically conservative crap, and then get thrown out.

Unless they fundamentally change the structure of government, they can't keep anything they gain.

How do we plan long-term with the world and the country changing so fast?

re: #106 Sergey Romanov

I don't even get the point of going after an insanity defense in Norway, where there's no death penalty.

re: #114 Obdicut

Maybe exactly because it's (practically) a life sentence v. some years in an institution?

re: #114 Obdicut

I don't even get the point of going after an insanity defense in Norway, where there's no death penalty.

good point and it's not like he's going to get "life in prison" as a sentence.

re: #112 Sergey Romanov

I had an impression that it is easier to get out of the rubber room. "Hey, you're already got better? Well, seems like we can no longer make you stay here."

Well, in the US, a comparison between incarceration in prison/hospitals for the criminally insane and between regular prisoners, for the same crime, the ones with the insanity pleas actually served more time.

re: #103 ggt

Votes, Votes, Votes

It's all about votes.

I think it's more about $ and deep pocket interests like Ginny Thomas's Liberty Blahblah outfit, National Tea Party Federation, and of course the Kochtopus that manipulate people into voting for deep pocket interests. I.e, if they thought they could do it by pushing some form of liberal agenda, they'd be doing the same thing, just with different rhetoric.

re: #118 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I think it's more about $ and deep pocket interests like Ginny Thomas's Liberty Blahblah outfit, National Tea Party Federation, and of course the Kochtopus that manipulate people into voting for deep pocket interests. I.e, if they thought they could do it by pushing some form of liberal agenda, they'd be doing the same thing, just with different rhetoric.

Yeah, without the votes, no $$. No power, prestige, attention.

re: #117 Obdicut

Gotta see how this is in Norway. But one example from Canada cited recently stays in my mind - the guy shot how many, 13 people? He's currently free.

One thing is on my calendar for today.

BUY CAT FOOD.

Just found out there is just enough left for one more meal.

Must take care of the Cat Overlord.

re: #120 Sergey Romanov

Gotta see how this is in Norway. But one example from Canada cited recently stays in my mind - the guy shot how many, 13 people? He's currently free.

Yeah, I saw that. That was, indeed, shocking. All I really know about is its application here in the US, where they tend to be very cautious about letting them out.

re: #122 Obdicut

Yeah, I saw that. That was, indeed, shocking. All I really know about is its application here in the US, where they tend to be very cautious about letting them out.

At that point, they are as concerned about the life of the criminal as they are about justice.

re: #87 ggt

What? Life is perfect in England?

Ok, I really don't know how this compares with the US.

I can tell you that only 1 in 3 students in the UK goes on to higher education, and that number is likely to get smaller as they're increasing university tuition fees in England (though not Scotland).

Fire in Karachi?

re: #124 iceweasel

I can tell you that only 1 in 3 students in the UK goes on to higher education, and that number is likely to get smaller as they're increasing university tuition fees in England (though not Scotland).

I thought college was free in England?

mis-information?

re: #111 Obdicut

That's why all the union-busting, the redistricting, the attempts at voter corralling and all the rest.

But it's not a long-term plan. It's not even a good short term plan. At best, this radical, insane crap they're pulling gets them another election cycle, where-- as per Bloodstar's "We're all screwed" pages-- they enact tons of terrible socially conservative and economically conservative crap, and then get thrown out.

Get it while you can is the ethic. Boom/bust mentality.

Re: demographics, I expect in the next 5 years we'll start seeing "Cesar Chavez was a Republican" billboards all over the place lol. Good luck to them with that.

Also re: demographics, I do wonder what conservatives my age and younger are doing to train their children to carry on whatever form of conservatism they follow. I think the next couple generations are going to "fall away" so to speak in even greater numbers than mine did. Their leaders are just too shrill.

re: #126 ggt

I thought college was free in England?

mis-information?

Not anymore. IIRC it's going to be 9,000 GBP a year now.

re: #127 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Get it while you can is the ethic. Boom/bust mentality.

Re: demographics, I expect in the next 5 years we'll start seeing "Cesar Chavez was a Republican" billboards all over the place lol. Good luck to them with that.

Also re: demographics, I do wonder what conservatives my age and younger are doing to train their children to carry on whatever form of conservatism they follow. I think the next couple generations are going to "fall away" so to speak in even greater numbers than mine did. Their leaders are just too shrill.

With free (or co-payless) contraception this might be true!

LOL

Thank god Florida didn't let a gay couple adopt these children.
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[Link: www.cnn.com...]

A Florida exterminator and father of four children adopted from Florida's foster care system has told police that a body found in the pest-control truck he was driving is one of them -- his 10-year-old daughter, authorities said Wednesday.

Jorge Barahona, 53, already faces a charge of aggravated child abuse for injuries to the dead girl's twin, Victor, who was also found in the truck, which was parked on the side of I-95 near West Palm Beach, Florida, officials said.

The ban on gay adoption in Florida was ruled unconstitutional last year, but how many kids had to suffer without loving parents because of it?

Goddamn it.

re: #128 iceweasel

Not anymore. IIRC it's going to be 9,000 GBP a year now.

$15K American?

re: #131 Cannadian Club Akbar

$15K American?

Yep. Higher ed is still free in Scotland if you're Scottish.

re: #131 Cannadian Club Akbar

$15K American?

Wow, I can do it cheaper than that --local college, or community college.

re: #128 iceweasel

Not anymore. IIRC it's going to be 9,000 GBP a year now.

Is that a flat rate, regardless of the institution?

re: #127 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Also re: demographics, I do wonder what conservatives my age and younger are doing to train their children to carry on whatever form of conservatism they follow. I think the next couple generations are going to "fall away" so to speak in even greater numbers than mine did. Their leaders are just too shrill.

Never underestimate the power of indoctrination into hate. Sure, you can only ever create a minority hate cult. But couple that with an all-pervasive and all-powerful media machine that dominates all aspects of life for the mainstream, and you can exert influence far beyond the numbers of your cult.

I see the Conservative cult gaining in power, not losing it.

Update on the Fullerton police beating of a schizophrenic man:

FBI joins investigation:
[Link: blogs.ocweekly.com...]

KFI-AM and the Friends For Fullerton's Future blog reported yesterday that the FBI and Department of Justice has joined the Orange County District Attorney's office in launching investigations into the killing. They also reported that city officials have attempted to pay the 37-year-old victim's father--Ron Thomas, an outraged former Orange County Sheriff's Department deputy, and his ex-wife--$900,000 as compensation for their loss.

Why outraged? Well, in addition to the unnecessary grotesque killing of his son, the police have admitted no wrongdoing, angrily attacked the media for focusing on the story, apparently kept the involved officers on duty and then attempted to muzzle him with a settlement check before any investigation has been completed.

And this: A city official reportedly told the parents that they would have offered more money but their son was "no rocket scientist."

wow

re: #132 iceweasel

Are there at least exceptions for talented students or something?

re: #126 ggt

I thought college was free in England?

mis-information?

There were some big protests at the end of last year/beginning of this year there, over fees. Expensive + budget cuts, staff cuts and salary cuts

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

re: #133 ggt

Wow, I can do it cheaper than that --local college, or community college.

Local college here is $103/credit hour. (used to be a CC, but they are switching to a 4 year skool)

re: #134 ggt

Is that a flat rate, regardless of the institution?

I don't think so. I think that's the top of the scale. But I'm not sure-- I haven't been following it. Anyway that's why all the students were demonstrating in London a few months ago-- the tuition increase.

re: #136 RogueOne

Update on the Fullerton police beating of a schizophrenic man:

FBI joins investigation:
[Link: blogs.ocweekly.com...]

wow

Remind me why all of them are not in prison yet. /r.q.

re: #137 Sergey Romanov

Are there at least exceptions for talented students or something?

Wonderboy looking to move?

Dogs, now want to go out.

Then I'm going back to bed. I think they'll be ready for their morning nap.

Have a good one all!

re: #137 Sergey Romanov

Are there at least exceptions for talented students or something?

There are scholarships and financial aid available like in the US. But salaries are lower here so taking on a lot of loans isn't advisable or even possible in some cases.

Fox Uses Giffords' Congressional Appearance To Attack Progressives For Alleged "Violent Rhetoric"

re: #144 iceweasel

There are scholarships and financial aid available like in the US. But salaries are lower here so taking on a lot of loans isn't advisable or even possible in some cases.

They need to try this.
/
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

re: #146 Cannadian Club Akbar

They need to try this.
/
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Heh. Some girl in the UK auctioned off her virginity online a couple of years ago. I should check snopes and see if that was true. It was also to pay her educational costs.

re: #135 Renaissance_Man

Never underestimate the power of indoctrination into hate. Sure, you can only ever create a minority hate cult. But couple that with an all-pervasive and all-powerful media machine that dominates all aspects of life for the mainstream, and you can exert influence far beyond the numbers of your cult.

I see the Conservative cult gaining in power, not losing it.

We've spent a generation saying exactly the above. Today, what we've been talking about has made the news to the extent that it's undeniable. The q. I have is, so they fall away...what takes it's place.

It's already started with the Breitbart/GOProud crowd. Every bit as virulent and amoral as the others, just not so much on the social issues. Couple this with the sociopathic way people now raise their children...

lol

On a more serious note, not a good scene, for the coming years.

re: #147 iceweasel

Heh. Some girl in the UK auctioned off her virginity online a couple of years ago. I should check snopes and see if that was true. It was also to pay her educational costs.

Didn't some girl in Nevada go that route a few years ago too?

re: #149 RogueOne

Didn't some girl in Nevada go that route a few years ago too?

Possibly-- it could also be that I'm misremembering it and she was in Nevada.

re: #150 iceweasel

Possibly-- it could also be that I'm misremembering it and she was in Nevada.

Or they were BFF's!!!!
///

re: #136 RogueOne

Update on the Fullerton police beating of a schizophrenic man:

FBI joins investigation:
[Link: blogs.ocweekly.com...]

Fullerton. Hmph.

re: #140 iceweasel

My son's college was $46,000.00 per year. Anyone who payed full tuition to go there was either rich or dumber than a sack of hammers.

Between grants, scholarships, discounts for good grades (transferred in from community college that ran about a grand a semester) and stuff; the final bill, per year, was about five grand.

On a bright note: $46,000.00 per year? Wasn't enough to keep out the "riff-raff".
/

re: #150 iceweasel

Possibly-- it could also be that I'm misremembering it and she was in Nevada.

I remember a girl going on all the talk shows. She was being handled by a bordello owner outside vegas. IIRC, she was very attractive and someone had offered her a ton of money.

re: #153 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My son's college was $46,000.00 per year. Anyone who payed full tuition to go there was either rich or dumber than a sack of hammers.

Between grants, scholarships, discounts for good grades (transferred in from community college that ran about a grand a semester) and stuff; the final bill, per year, was about five grand.

On a bright note: $46,000.00 per year? Wasn't enough to keep out the "riff-raff".
/

So, you went to visit him?

re: #153 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My son's college was $46,000.00 per year. Anyone who payed full tuition to go there was either rich or dumber than a sack of hammers.

Between grants, scholarships, discounts for good grades (transferred in from community college that ran about a grand a semester) and stuff; the final bill, per year, was about five grand.

On a bright note: $46,000.00 per year? Wasn't enough to keep out the "riff-raff".
/

Pfffttt, you're the sort that gives riff raff a bad name.
/

re: #130 Obdicut

Thank god Florida didn't let a gay couple adopt these children.
//

There are so many horrid stories like this, of adopted and fostered children being murdered or severely abused by parents. The (latest) one in Florida is among the worst I've ever heard.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Some archaeologists have painted primitive societies as relatively peaceful, implying that war is a reprehensible modern deviation. Others have seen war as the midwife of the first states that arose as human population increased and more complex social structures emerged to coordinate activities.
A wave of new research is supporting this second view.

re: #153 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My single mom friend managed to send her son to a $43k/yr private university. She started planning when he was in grade school, got help from a state program for single income families, and got lucky that he was smart enough to get help from an academic scholarship. My niece is going to graduate #1 in her class this year and my brother hasn't done anything to plan for her college costs. I guess he's hoping she'll join the marines.

re: #157 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

There are so many horrid stories like this, of adopted and fostered children being murdered or severely abused by parents. The (latest) one in Florida is among the worst I've ever heard.

foster life can be brutal.

re: #157 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

There are so many horrid stories like this, of adopted and fostered children being murdered or severely abused by parents. The (latest) one in Florida is among the worst I've ever heard.

My mom was on a jury of a man, who with a woman, starved their adopted or foster child. Was in '90 or '91. Both got life.

*Sigh*

My #2 son has gone full-on wingnut. At first I thought it could be kept under control because he lives in Canada, but he's always calling me to chat about the stuff that he listens to on Charles Adler and bootleg Rush.

He called last night to chat about the debt ceiling.

ohlolol.

Ukrainian Security Council's secretary Raisa Bogatyreva plagiarized a speech she made before an Academy students from ... Steve Jobs.

[Link: nr2.ru...]

I remembered right, she is pretty. Not $4 million pretty but pretty.

Natalie Dylan Auctions Off Virginity For Offers Of Up To $3.7 Million
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
Updated: 02-12-09 05:12 AM

re: #162 Alouette

*Sigh*

My #2 son has gone full-on wingnut. At first I thought it could be kept under control because he lives in Canada, but he's always calling me to chat about the stuff that he listens to on Charles Adler and bootleg Rush.

He called last night to chat about the debt ceiling.

heeheehee. Some peoples kids, what can ya do?//

re: #164 RogueOne

I remembered right, she is pretty. Not $4 million pretty but pretty.

Natalie Dylan Auctions Off Virginity For Offers Of Up To $3.7 Million
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
Updated: 02-12-09 05:12 AM

Wow.

re: #161 Cannadian Club Akbar

My mom was on a jury of a man, who with a woman, starved their adopted or foster child. Was in '90 or '91. Both got life.

I guess we'll see what happens to the Kluths of Oklahoma
[Link: articles.cnn.com...]

The three children are in custody of the Department of Human Services and are improving, according to the sheriff.

All three have stunted growth, Edwards said. He called it the worst abuse case he has seen.

According to the department, the 15-year-old was found sleeping in a box behind an Oklahoma City store on November 28. An investigator learned about child abuse at his residence in Yukon, a city about 15 miles west of Oklahoma City. The teen has an 11-year-old brother and 9-year-old sister.

Originally, the three were foster children in Wisconsin, officials said. The state placed them in the home of the Kluths, who adopted them and were still receiving $1,500 per child per month from Wisconsin after they moved to Oklahoma, Edwards said.

Another lunatic running the asylum, Napa CA

re: #164 RogueOne

She looks like one of the Kardashian brain surgeons in the 2nd pic.

re: #162 Alouette

My #2 son has gone full-on wingnut. At first I thought it could be kept under control because he lives in Canada, but he's always calling me to chat about the stuff that he listens to on Charles Adler and bootleg Rush.

Bootleg Rush!

re: #161 Cannadian Club Akbar

My mom was on a jury of a man, who with a woman, starved their adopted or foster child. Was in '90 or '91. Both got life.

Oops posted this too soon in my past post.

This nasty old f- got 248 years:

[Link: sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com...]

re: #169 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Bootleg Rush!

Rush is not syndicated in Canada. He listens to a station broadcasting out of Buffalo.

re: #155 Cannadian Club Akbar

So, you went to visit him?

Rich kids are binge-drinking little shits.

re: #163 Sergey Romanov

Ukrainian Security Council's secretary Raisa Bogatyreva plagiarized a speech she made before an Academy students from ... Steve Jobs

[Link: nr2.ru...]

Fail.

re: #171 Alouette

Rush is not syndicated in Canada. He listens to a station broadcasting out of Buffalo.

Ohhh that Rush.

lol

[major Rush fan, here]

Texan offended by 2 men dancing in gay pride parade:

Image: ZCb2Z.jpg

re: #172 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Rich kids are binge-drinking little shits.

Only because their nanny didn't raise them right.

re: #175 RogueOne

Texan offended by 2 men dancing in gay pride parade:

Image: ZCb2Z.jpg

I saw that. Funny.

Ruuuuushhhhhh... m/ m/

[Link: www.last.fm...]

re: #164 RogueOne

Great 3.7 million to hear.

"Gross!" "I'm not touching that!" "Ouch, that hurts!" "You want me to what?!" "Turn the light off!"

I've always felt sorry for Jihadists who get 72 of these.

re: #179 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Gross!" "I'm not touching that!" "Ouch, that hurts!" "You want me to what?!" "Turn the light off!"

I've always felt sorry for Jihadists who get 72 of these.

Haha true. Serves em right in my book though.

re: #179 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Great. 3.7 million to hear...

I decided to let the "Punctuation Fairy" visit that little sentence.

I've gotten 2 happy birthday wishes from my cell phone and now one from Dell. Wonder what they're gonna get me on my birthday. Idiots.

re: #182 Cannadian Club Akbar

I've gotten 2 happy birthday wishes from my cell phone and now one from Dell. Wonder what they're gonna get me on my birthday. Idiots.

How did they know, did your radio tell them it was your birthday?

re: #183 RogueOne

How did they know, did your radio tell them it was your birthday?

It's not even close to my birthday. And I think it was the lamp.

Wow. A murderer actually confesses after being found not guilty.
[Link: www.burlingtonfreepress.com...]

re: #185 Cannadian Club Akbar

Wow. A murderer actually confesses after being found not guilty.
[Link: www.burlingtonfreepress.com...]

Well, why not? He can't be tried again, because of double jeopardy. Might as well make it a book deal: "How I Cheated The System".

re: #186 thedopefishlives

Well, why not? He can't be tried again, because of double jeopardy. Might as well make it a book deal: "How I Cheated The System".

Unless the feds find a way to charge him.

re: #186 thedopefishlives

Well, why not? He can't be tried again, because of double jeopardy. Might as well make it a book deal: "How I Cheated The System".

Foreword by OJ.

re: #97 ggt

Japanese Specialists?

It is probably good I don't understand.

He said he admired Japanese (and Taiwanese and South Korean) society for being "monoculturalist", i.e. not "multiculturalist", i.e. not letting in too many foreigners/immigrants.

Ted Bundy DNA to be used in cold cases.
[Link: seattletimes.nwsource.com...]

Myths Of The Criminal Justice System: Part 1
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Myth 1: You Can't Be Tried More Than Once For The Same Crime
.....
Finally, there is the "separate sovereigns" exception to double jeopardy. This allows a defendant to be tried, convicted and sentenced for the same crime in both state and federal court. The most well-known example of the separate sovereigns exception is when the Los Angeles police officers who beat Rodney King were acquitted in state court, then convicted in federal court of violating King's civil rights.

But it's becoming more common in high-profile cases, where both state and federal prosecutors want a chance at a career-making conviction. Michael Vick, for example, was twice convicted on charges related to his dogfighting operation, once under Virginia law and once under federal law. (He was also indicted on various dogfighting-related crimes and conspiracy to commit those crimes.) As the federal criminal code continues to grow, it seems likely we'll see more examples of defendants who are tried twice for the same crime, particularly in cases involving celebrities and politicians.

re: #186 thedopefishlives

Well, why not? He can't be tried again, because of double jeopardy. Might as well make it a book deal: "How I Cheated The System".

He can be tried for perjury, though.

re: #192 Obdicut

He can be tried for perjury, though.

Along with any other incidental charges the feds can come up with. Because the murder itself did not land in federal jurisdiction, though, he gets to skate on the charge of actually killing the guy.

re: #153 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My son's college was $46,000.00 per year.

That would have been the cost of my son's education were it not for ROTC.

Based on who I saw at the graduation, lot's more rich than the bag of hammers variety - a quite large Asian student body.

re: #191 RogueOne

IIRC, the Mike Vick thing became federal because he took the dogs across state lines to engage in illegal behavior.

re: #191 RogueOne

Myths Of The Criminal Justice System: Part 1
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

While true, Rogue, the cases have to overlap somehow. In this case, federal jurisdiction for murder is out of the scope of the crime that was committed. Unless the victim was a federal employee or the act somehow involved crossing state boundaries, the feds can't touch him on the murder charge.

re: #196 thedopefishlives

And this...
He said the statute of limitations in which non-murder charges might be filed have expired, and the evidence would have to be something not used in the murder trial.

Off to do some work. Have a great day, everyone!

re: #195 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #196 thedopefishlives

Currently there are so many federal laws not even the government can give you an accurate count. The odds are good that just about everyone has unwittingly violated some federal law in one way or another and since they don't have to consider "intent" it's easy to bring fed charges.

[Link: paducahsun.com...]

Federal lawmaking has steadily expanded the number of federal crimes. So much, in fact that scholars have tried and failed to come up with an accurate count of just how many federal crimes there are. Even the Justice Department couldn’t do it after two years of study. But the best estimates are that at least 3,000 and as many as 4,500 federal crimes are scattered through 27,000 pages of federal code. That’s up from a few dozen federal crimes a century ago and only three — treason, piracy and counterfeiting — in the Constitution.

re: #199 RogueOne

I wonder how many appeals are going on in regards to the 3000-4500 number.

re: #200 Cannadian Club Akbar

I wonder how many appeals are going on in regards to the 3000-4500 number.

When the people in charge can't tell you how many federal crime statutes there are, that's a problem. If ignorance of the law isn't an excuse, what excuse do they have for not even knowing themselves?

re: #201 RogueOne

When the people in charge can't tell you how many federal crime statutes there are, that's a problem. If ignorance of the law isn't an excuse, what excuse do they have for not even knowing themselves?

Or if they have a grudge and just fish for something.

Small town politics can be brutal:

Oak Hill Dissolves City Police Force
[Link: www.wesh.com...]

City leaders were set to discuss the Oak Hill Police Department's status Friday following a number of issues, including pot plants found on Mayor Mary Lee Cook's property, which she said she believes were placed by someone from the police staff.
However, instead of a discussion, the commissioners voted 3-2 Monday night to dissolve the force.

re: #203 RogueOne

Uh. That's some pretty weird grass they have there.

re: #204 Sergey Romanov

Uh. That's some pretty weird grass they have there.

I have a cousin in rural KY who used to grow it in with his flowers around his house. It's KY, no one cared.

A 2.5GB game demo???
Good grief.

This story is going around a lot. It's dated August 8th so it must be from the future....Lots of interesting details:

Getting Bin Laden
What happened that night in Abbottabad
[Link: www.newyorker.com...]

re: #206 Varek Raith

wut game

re: #206 Varek Raith

A 2.5GB game demo???
Good grief.

Remember the old days when that wouldn't even fit on someones hard drive?

Good morning

discuss this

re: #209 RogueOne

Remember the old days when that wouldn't even fit on someones hard drive?

640k [of RAM] should be enough for anybody.

re: #208 Sergey Romanov

wut game

re: #208 Sergey Romanov

wut game

[Link: thesettlers.us.ubi.com...]

re: #206 Varek Raith

A 2.5GB game demo???
Good grief.

If that needs that all you need to have then is a crack, why not. ;)

re: #213 Sergey Romanov

> If that needs

= if that means

re: #211 thedopefishlives

640k [of RAM] should be enough for anybody.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
My 8GB of ram laughs at such a thought!
XD

re: #213 Sergey Romanov

If that needs that all you need to have then is a crack, why not. ;)

I don't know why they release a demo that is the full game with some features disabled.
Silly.

re: #209 RogueOne

Remember the old days when that wouldn't even fit on someones hard drive?

Hard drive? ok, dating time - not as old as some here, but still...

My first job out of college, I was selling/program mod/training customers on Vector Graphics. Soon after I started, we added KayPros to the line. Several months later the Commodore 64 came out, and we started telling people that 48K was plenty for a single-user desktop business computer.

Anyway, the relevant thing is that the VGs changed from 8 inch floppies to the new-fangled 5 1/4s while I was there. Hard drives? On a desktop system? Are you frigging nuts? (grin)

re: #216 Varek Raith

It's like when the diff between home and professional xp was a registry key value.

re: #211 thedopefishlives

640k [of RAM] should be enough for anybody.

I remember standing in line for hours to get a 100mb HD for $95 at a midnight sale the evening Windows95 came out.

re: #217 kirkspencer

My first "computer" was an Atari 2600. Its means of permanent storage was a tape drive. Not a traditional computing tape drive, a CASSETTE tape drive.

re: #199 RogueOne

re: #196 thedopefishlives

Currently there are so many federal laws not even the government can give you an accurate count. The odds are good that just about everyone has unwittingly violated some federal law in one way or another and since they don't have to consider "intent" it's easy to bring fed charges.

[Link: paducahsun.com...]

That's what happens when we fetishize being "tough on crime".

re: #209 RogueOne

Remember the old days when that wouldn't even fit on someones hard drive?

Phft.
I remember trying to make flight sims work by tweeking in DOS to free up as much to stay under the 640K line of death.

You people are old. Wait, sorry, I'll say that louder. OLD!!!!
/

re: #218 Sergey Romanov

It's like when the diff between home and professional xp was a registry key value.

Which is why I laugh when the complain about piracy.

re: #222 Ericus58

Phft.
I remember trying to make flight sims work by tweeking in DOS to free up as much to stay under the 640K line of death.

I used to spend hours playing Where In the World is Carmen Sandiego. On a Windows 3.1 machine. An old 386 with a turbo switch on it to make it run at a screaming 33 MHz.

re: #225 thedopefishlives

I used to spend hours playing Where In the World is Carmen Sandiego. On a Windows 3.1 machine. An old 386 with a turbo switch on it to make it run at a screaming 33 MHz.

HA! 3MHz, that's kicking in some serious nitro!

re: #223 Cannadian Club Akbar

You people are old. Wait, sorry, I'll say that louder. OLD!!!
/

Cease your mockery at once, whippersnapper!
/

re: #223 Cannadian Club Akbar

You people are old. Wait, sorry, I'll say that louder. OLD!!!
/

Damn kids, get off my lawn!

Heh, now you can get a 1TB hard drive for less than 80 bucks.

re: #229 Varek Raith

Heh, now you can get a 1TB hard drive for less than 80 bucks.

That's a lot of porn. So I hear.

re: #229 Varek Raith

Heh, now you can get a 1TB hard drive for less than 80 bucks.

My wife bought me a 2TB drive for our tv last xmas for less than $100

re: #220 thedopefishlives

Heh... I had a Tandy Model 3, with the tape drive, and it came with 16k of ram. Upgraded that to 48k of ram for something like $200 bucks at the time.

Now? You can get 2gb of ram for 1/4 the price.

Geller: If You Follow "Pure Islam, Then You Support Jihad"

Is "pure Islam" related to "pure Norwegian"?

re: #226 RogueOne

HA! 3MHz, that's kicking in some serious nitro!

The funny thing is, we kept the case when we upgraded to a Pentium 133. The front display had an ADVANCED LCD display showing either 16 or 33 MHz, and the turbo switch - long since disconnected from the actual motherboard - would still switch the LCD display. I got a real kick out of showing my geek friends the "Turbo Pentium" Frankenmachine.

Image: look_back.jpg

re: #235 Varek Raith

Image: look_back.jpg

LOL@caption

That's right, a 10MB hard disk for only $3,495 back in 1980 -- and it's refurbished to boot. A brand new unit would have cost you $4,495. If adjusted to 2005 dollars, that's $11,415.77 (new)/$8876.11 (refurbished). View the full-sized advertisement here.

re: #229 Varek Raith

Heh, now you can get a 1TB hard drive for less than 80 bucks.

My current lord of the basement has nearly 2TB of total storage. I paid less for the whole collection of hard drives than I did to build the machine five years ago.

re: #217 kirkspencer

Hard drive? ok, dating time - not as old as some here, but still...

My first job out of college, I was selling/program mod/training customers on Vector Graphics. Soon after I started, we added KayPros to the line. Several months later the Commodore 64 came out, and we started telling people that 48K was plenty for a single-user desktop business computer.

Anyway, the relevant thing is that the VGs changed from 8 inch floppies to the new-fangled 5 1/4s while I was there. Hard drives? On a desktop system? Are you frigging nuts? (grin)

I shoulda linked. Vector Graphics. Kaypro

And in response to:
re: #220 thedopefishlives

My first "computer" was an Atari 2600. Its means of permanent storage was a tape drive. Not a traditional computing tape drive, a CASSETTE tape drive.

The first was a Commodore Pet 2001.

At the store we also sold Atari 400s - and 800s when they came out. Which gives you a bit more idea of my age.

re: #237 thedopefishlives

My current lord of the basement has nearly 2TB of total storage. I paid less for the whole collection of hard drives than I did to build the machine five years ago.

My phone has 40 gb of space and probably has a faster processor than my first 5 pc's combined.

re: #233 000G

Geller: If You Follow "Pure Islam, Then You Support Jihad"

Is "pure Islam" related to "pure Norwegian"?

It's related, but in the opposite fashion. "Pure Islam" would be sub human, whereas "Pure Norwegian" is the model standard./

re: #235 Varek Raith

That's a lot of ASCII porn. So I heard.

The original gameboy was superior than what they went to the Moon with.

re: #228 thedopefishlives

Damn kids, get off my lawn!

Oh, good, I've been looking for an opportunity to link this in context.

this is just to say
I have fenced
the lawn
that was in my yard
and which you were probably hoping to be on.

(follow the

re: #235 Varek Raith

Image: look_back.jpg

Our most powerful computer ever!

re: #240 thedopefishlives

It's related, but in the opposite fashion. "Pure Islam" would be sub human, whereas "Pure Norwegian" is the model standard./

As long as those 'pure norweigans' haven't been corrupted by the Judeo-liberals, of course.

re: #239 RogueOne

My phone has 40 gb of space and probably has a faster processor than my first 5 pc's combined.

Ain't that the truth?!
My Droid has a 1G cpu and 16G storage..... I remember when our engineers had their first 1G computers for CATIA delivered around 11 years ago... lol.

re: #244 publicityStunted

Our most powerful computer ever!

*Monitor and mouse not included*

re: #242 Varek Raith

The original gameboy was superior than what they went to the Moon with.

I still have the original gray monster GameBoy. Fully functional, with an extensive suite of games. It's been well kept, which is amazing since I know where it's been. My sister gave it back to me when she moved out of Mom and Dad's house; apparently she used to waste hours before bed playing it.

re: #241 Sergey Romanov

That's a lot of ASCII porn. So I heard.

There's porn on the internet?

GOP, through a front group, tries to tamper with the recall elections in Wisconsin.

What a surprise.

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

re: #248 thedopefishlives

I still have the original gray monster GameBoy. Fully functional, with an extensive suite of games. It's been well kept, which is amazing since I know where it's been. My sister gave it back to me when she moved out of Mom and Dad's house; apparently she used to waste hours before bed playing it.

I still have a Gamegear somewhere around here.