Charles JohnsonFollow @Green_FootballsPat Metheny has released a series of great videos promoting his new album “What’s It All About,” a collection of solo guitar versions of classic pop tunes. Here’s his baritone guitar interpretation of The Association’s “Cherish.”
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 7:09:48pm |
Ah! a nice relaxing music thread in which to to stretch out.
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 2, 2011 7:14:24pm |
Charles-
Is a baritone guitar like the difference between a fiddle and a viola, dropping the high string and adding a lower?
Enquiring minds...
Lovely piece by the way. Who knew the Lettermen had it in them?
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Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 2, 2011 7:17:27pm |
re: #2 austin_blue
Charles-
Is a baritone guitar like the difference between a fiddle and a viola, dropping the high string and adding a lower?
Yes, a baritone guitar is usually tuned a fifth lower, with heavier strings and a longer scale length.
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danhenry1 Tue, Aug 2, 2011 7:19:08pm |
If nothing else can, I really do hope that music can hold our great country together,
WHUT.
Willie, Chet, Waylon. MacDonald. Outlaws.
Music does it when nothing else can do it.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 7:21:21pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 2, 2011 7:28:05pm |
Nina Simone's version is pretty fun
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JJ42 Tue, Aug 2, 2011 7:30:13pm |
Had to go get the guitar and try to play along (as I always try to do with these videos). Seems like a low A#-tuning, so a capo on the 6th fret should do the trick. Sort of.
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JJ42 Tue, Aug 2, 2011 7:35:02pm |
I think Pat is the only guitarist I know of that uses his thumb to press down the A-string as well as the low E
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 2, 2011 7:38:28pm |
re: #9 JJ42
I think Pat is the only guitarist I know of that uses his thumb to press down the A-string as well as the low E
How about Tal Farlow?
Love me some Tal - no one like him.
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Steve Tue, Aug 2, 2011 7:47:16pm |
Always loved listeneing to Pat. Some of my other favorites are:
Bert Jansch and John Renbourn
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 2, 2011 7:49:21pm |
re: #3 Charles
Yes, a baritone guitar is usually tuned a fifth lower, with heavier strings and a longer scale length.
Thankee! By the way Mark Erlewine, an old friend here in Austin, has made a couple of axes for Pat.
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JJ42 Tue, Aug 2, 2011 7:49:23pm |
re: #10 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Hadn't heard of him, but then again, I don't really listen to a lot of Jazz (except Pat, Radka Toneff, Norah Jones and some others who may be slightly more over in blues territory)
He played a bit too fast for me to say for sure, but I guess you are right.
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JJ42 Tue, Aug 2, 2011 7:52:51pm |
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Digital Display Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:02:52pm |
Good Evening Lizards...Great video! I used to own the 45 with Cherish as the A side.. The B side? Along came Mary
Shark week is awesome.. I've watched it every year for at least 10 years
It is too hot here...Winston and I spent a few days last week in a hotel while the repairman fixed the A/C.
Tomorrow will be the hottest day in all history for Oklahoma.. I can't wait.
Somebody save me please..
/
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:09:22pm |
Who was the guy Charles linked a while ago --Jeff B-----something.
He was awesome.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:09:57pm |
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Steve Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:10:11pm |
Well, it is time to fire up the 80 Goldwing (naked) and go for a ride.
All of you have a very nice evening.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:11:06pm |
re: #15 HoosierHoops
Good Evening Lizards...Great video! I used to own the 45 with Cherish as the A side.. The B side? Along came Mary
Shark week is awesome.. I've watched it every year for at least 10 years
It is too hot here...Winston and I spent a few days last week in a hotel while the repairman fixed the A/C.
Tomorrow will be the hottest day in all history for Oklahoma.. I can't wait.
Somebody save me please..
/
the airport code is DCA
:000
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:11:19pm |
re: #15 HoosierHoops
Good Evening Lizards...Great video! I used to own the 45 with Cherish as the A side.. The B side? Along came Mary
Shark week is awesome.. I've watched it every year for at least 10 years
It is too hot here...Winston and I spent a few days last week in a hotel while the repairman fixed the A/C.
Tomorrow will be the hottest day in all history for Oklahoma.. I can't wait.
Somebody save me please..
/
From the previous thread:
re: #412 ggt
or doubly--unless you only have one cheek.
Seriously, sorry you live in Texas.
I love Austin. What can I say? We've got no water issues here in town, yet. It's just oppressively hot.
If Hoops shows up tonight (he may be dead from heat stroke) he'll tell you that, right now, it is *much* worse in Norman, OK.
The question is, is this the new normal?
The next question is, what is going to happen in Midland/Odessa/Big Spring/San Angelo when their last reservoir, which is at 24% capacity, runs dry. The other four reservoirs are at 0% and they have no useful groundwater resources nearby. That's several hundred thousand people hanging on by their fingernails.
Whiskey's for drinkin', water's for fightin'.
(Hang in there, bubba. This too shall pass!)
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:12:08pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:12:52pm |
re: #22 austin_blue
From the previous thread:
re: #412 ggt
or doubly--unless you only have one cheek.
Seriously, sorry you live in Texas.
I love Austin. What can I say? We've got no water issues here in town, yet. It's just oppressively hot.
If Hoops shows up tonight (he may be dead from heat stroke) he'll tell you that, right now, it is *much* worse in Norman, OK.
The question is, is this the new normal?
The next question is, what is going to happen in Midland/Odessa/Big Spring/San Angelo when their last reservoir, which is at 24% capacity, runs dry. The other four reservoirs are at 0% and they have no useful groundwater resources nearby. That's several hundred thousand people hanging on by their fingernails.
Whiskey's for drinkin', water's for fightin'.
(Hang in there, bubba. This too shall pass!)
udping for remembering.
Not all that was my post, was it?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:12:54pm |
re: #19 Steve
Well, it is time to fire up the 80 Goldwing (naked) and go for a ride.
All of you have a very nice evening.
You should never take a Goldwing out in public naked. Motor-bikes are notorious for their sense of modesty and propriety.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:13:33pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:14:42pm |
re: #25 Slumbering Behemoth
You should never take a Goldwing out in public naked. Motor-bikes are notorious for their sense of modesty and propriety.
and you could get arrested.
There are public decency bike laws you know.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:15:08pm |
re: #23 ggt
Vending Machines don't kill people, silly.
People using Vending Machines kill people.
I once got a Strongly Worded Letter from the Coca-Cola Co. for coining the phrase "Killer Coke Machine" in an Army publication.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:15:57pm |
re: #28 Decatur Deb
I once got a Strongly Worded Letter from the Coca-Cola Co. for coining the phrase "Killer Coke Machine" in an Army publication.
were you scared?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:17:08pm |
I'm lovin' Frank:
If you wind up with a boring, miserable life because you listened to your mom, your dad, your teacher, your priest or some guy on TV telling you how to do your shit, then YOU DESERVE IT. -- From the Real Frank Zappa book.
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:18:11pm |
re: #24 ggt
udping for remembering.
Not all that was my post, was it?
Nah. Your last line was "sorry you live in Texas."
Quoting from a previous thread has format issues!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:19:11pm |
re: #31 austin_blue
Nah. Your last line was "sorry you live in Texas."
Quoting from a previous thread has format issues!
Thanks.
I just didn't want to take all the credit
:)
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miclaine Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:19:46pm |
Gotta Love Pat Metheny. He is coming to Chicago Old Town School. Used to see him at Amazing Grace Coffee House in Evanston when I was a kid. Thanks for the couple of Pat Metheny videos in the last few days!
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Decatur Deb Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:19:57pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:20:03pm |
re: #3 Charles
Yes, a baritone guitar is usually tuned a fifth lower, with heavier strings and a longer scale length.
That sounds like math.
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:20:17pm |
re: #28 Decatur Deb
I once got a Strongly Worded Letter from the Coca-Cola Co. for coining the phrase "Killer Coke Machine" in an Army publication.
Gasp! The Coca-Cola company?!?!
[[[
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Colonel... that Coca-Cola machine. I want you to shoot the lock off it. There may be some change in there.
Colonel "Bat" Guano: That's private property.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Colonel! Can you possibly imagine what is going to happen to you, your frame, outlook, way of life, and everything, when they learn that you have obstructed a telephone call to the President of the United States? Can you imagine? Shoot it off! Shoot! With a gun! That's what the bullets are for, you twit!
Colonel "Bat" Guano: Okay. I'm gonna get your money for ya. But if you don't get the President of the United States on that phone, you know what's gonna happen to you?
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: What?
Colonel "Bat" Guano: You're gonna have to answer to the Coca-Cola company.
]]]
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:21:06pm |
storms a passing and doggys want to go out.
bbiab
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Decatur Deb Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:21:08pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:21:17pm |
re: #26 ggt
Hey!
Is it storming by you or is there a train on your roof?
It's actually got so much lightning that it looked like a strobe light outside.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:21:23pm |
re: #32 ggt
He's had a few live (previously recorded) concerts on PBS lately.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:24:54pm |
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:25:05pm |
re: #40 Dark_Falcon
It's actually got so much lightning that it looked like a strobe light outside.
Good grief! You bastards are getting *more* rain?!?!
(grumblemumblegrumblemumble)
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:25:47pm |
Storm didn't leave much in the way of wetness. Looks like it has moved SouthEast of me. Really cool squiggly lightening tho.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:26:04pm |
re: #40 Dark_Falcon
It's actually got so much lightning that it looked like a strobe light outside.
yeah!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:27:09pm |
re: #43 austin_blue
Good grief! You bastards are getting *more* rain?!?!
(grumblemumblegrumblemumble)
not really, driveway and patio are nearly dry.
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:28:04pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:28:40pm |
re: #47 austin_blue
Please, anything!
Did you burn incense and make an offering to the Cat Overlord?
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Decatur Deb Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:31:14pm |
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Digital Display Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:31:21pm |
re: #38 ggt
storms a passing and doggys want to go out.
bbiab
That's the problem with dogs...I've had Winston for 2 years now..
You have to walk them..Which is ok..except when It's a million degrees outside...Or severe weather..So where did I sign the piece of paper that says I have to walk you in the blazing sun? Huh? I don't see your shit lawyer calling me.. I'm not taking you out! Stop your crying...Winston!..Look out the window...It's hell out there..Would you stop crying? Oh Jeez..Just for a minute..Any thing to keep you from pooping on the rug...I wonder how much I could get for Winston on Craigslist? :)
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:31:56pm |
the squiggly lightening had little loops in it.
What is that called?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:32:29pm |
re: #47 austin_blue
Get your ass to Perry's Prayer Parley!!!
/
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:32:54pm |
re: #50 HoosierHoops
That's the problem with dogs...I've had Winston for 2 years now..
You have to walk them..Which is ok..except when It's a million degrees outside...Or severe weather..So where did I sign the piece of paper that says I have to walk you in the blazing sun? Huh? I don't see your shit lawyer calling me.. I'm not taking you out! Stop your crying...Winston!..Look out the window...It's hell out there..Would you stop crying? Oh Jeez..Just for a minute..Any thing to keep you from pooping on the rug...I wonder how much I could get for Winston on Craigslist? :)
Well, when it is really bad, I stand at the sliding glass door with the flexi and say "hey, if you can't hold it. . . "
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Digital Display Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:33:19pm |
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jaunte Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:33:45pm |
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Kragar Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:35:29pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:35:49pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:36:25pm |
If I don't go out and get 1/2 and 1/2 now, will I hate myself in the morning?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:37:19pm |
re: #57 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Prayer, commandment, and pogrom, all in one. Sure is an efficient god, that one.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:37:44pm |
re: #57 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
"Blood for the Blood God" is technically a prayer...
Pagan Heretic!
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:39:06pm |
re: #48 ggt
Did you burn incense and make an offering to the Cat Overlord?
My Cat Overlord is an Austin Cats. She eats wet food in the morning, lies on the porch all day, immobile, and demands kibble and water refills. She will *not* come inside in the summer. She mocks us and our human weakness.
June:
STATION: AUSTIN CAMP MABRY
MONTH: JUNE
YEAR: 2011
LATITUDE: 30 17 N
LONGITUDE: 97 42 W
TEMPERATURE IN F: :PCPN: SNOW: WIND :SUNSHINE: SKY :PK WND
================================================================================
1 2 3 4 5 6A 6B 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18
12Z AVG MX 2MIN
DY MAX MIN AVG DEP HDD CDD WTR SNW DPTH SPD SPD DIR MIN PSBL S-S WX SPD DR
================================================================================
1 97 74 86 7 0 21 0.00 0.0 0 4.1 13 160 M M 3 22 150
2 99 69 84 5 0 19 0.00 0.0 0 5.2 17 150 M M 0 23 150
3 99 72 86 7 0 21 0.00 0.0 0 5.2 16 140 M M 0 24 140
4 98 72 85 6 0 20 0.00 0.0 0 3.5 13 130 M M 2 21 120
5 101 69 85 6 0 20 0.00 0.0 0 2.3 14 120 M M 0 3 21 220
6 103 71 87 8 0 22 0.00 0.0 0 3.4 17 110 M M 1 33 110
7 100 72 86 6 0 21 0.00 0.0 0 4.6 16 140 M M 0 28 150
8 99 74 87 7 0 22 0.00 0.0 0 7.5 15 160 M M 2 24 150
9 99 73 86 6 0 21 0.00 0.0 0 7.7 16 150 M M 2 25 150
10 100 74 87 7 0 22 0.00 0.0 0 7.6 15 160 M M 3 8 23
11 99 74 87 7 0 22 0.00 0.0 0 4.3 12 160 M M 3 21 160
12 100 75 88 7 0 23 0.00 0.0 0 6.7 14 150 M M 2 22 150
13 101 75 88 7 0 23 0.00 0.0 0 6.0 14 170 M M 1 23 180
14 103 75 89 8 0 24 0.00 0.0 0 8.2 16 160 M M 2 28 180
15 104 78 91 10 0 26 0.00 0.0 0 7.8 17 150 M M 2 25
16 103 77 90 9 0 25 0.00 0.0 0 8.8 17 160 M M 3 32 150
17 106 80 93 12 0 28 0.00 0.0 0 9.2 17 160 M M 3 29
18 106 78 92 11 0 27 0.00 0.0 0 9.8 17 160 M M 3 36
19 105 79 92 10 0 27 0.00 0.0 0 10.4 20 140 M M 2 33
20 102 78 90 8 0 25 0.00 0.0 0 11.0 17 160 M M 4 35
21 101 70 86 4 0 21 0.02 0.0 0 7.7 16 330 M M 6 13 33
22 90 67 79 -3 0 14 1.99 0.0 0 3.3 13 360 M M 4 138 22
23 95 72 84 2 0 19 0.00 0.0 0 3.9 12 150 M M 4 17 140
24 97 73 85 3 0 20 0.00 0.0 0 5.3 15 150 M M 2 23 130
25 97 77 87 5 0 22 T 0.0 0 6.8 15 160 M M 6 30 150
26 97 77 87 4 0 22 0.00 0.0 0 7.5 15 170 M M 4 26 170
27 99 77 88 5 0 23 0.00 0.0 0 8.0 15 150 M M 3 24 150
28 99 76 88 5 0 23 0.00 0.0 0 5.1 14 160 M M 2 23 160
29 99 75 87 4 0 22 0.00 0.0 0 3.8 12 120 M M 0 17 160
30 100 74 87 4 0 22 0.00 0.0 0 4.5 12 150 M M 1 20 160
================================================================================
SM 2998 2227 0 667 2.01 0.0 189.2 M 70
================================================================================
AV 99.9 74.2 6.3 FASTST M M 2 MAX(MPH)
MISC ----> # 20 140 # 36 150
==============================================
==================================
Hottest June in Austin history.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:40:00pm |
re: #62 Dark_Falcon
Burn the heretic! Kill the mutant! Purge the unclean!
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:40:14pm |
re: #48 ggt
Did you burn incense and make an offering to the Cat Overlord?
July:
STATION: AUSTIN CAMP MABRY
MONTH: JULY
YEAR: 2011
LATITUDE: 30 17 N
LONGITUDE: 97 42 W
TEMPERATURE IN F: :PCPN: SNOW: WIND :SUNSHINE: SKY :PK WND
================================================================================
1 2 3 4 5 6A 6B 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18
12Z AVG MX 2MIN
DY MAX MIN AVG DEP HDD CDD WTR SNW DPTH SPD SPD DIR MIN PSBL S-S WX SPD DR
================================================================================
1 99 76 88 5 0 23 T 0.0 0 4.6 14 120 M M 1 23 170
2 101 76 89 6 0 24 0.00 0.0 0 3.0 9 150 M M 0 17 180
3 102 75 89 6 0 24 0.00 0.0 0 4.3 12 170 M M 0 20 190
4 101 75 88 5 0 23 0.00 0.0 0 4.8 12 170 M M 0 21 150
5 101 73 87 4 0 22 0.00 0.0 0 4.0 10 160 M M 0 17 130
6 102 76 89 6 0 24 0.00 0.0 0 4.1 16 100 M M 1 29 110
7 100 76 88 4 0 23 0.00 0.0 0 3.5 12 160 M M 0 21 130
8 102 76 89 5 0 24 0.00 0.0 0 4.9 10 180 M M 0 20 210
9 100 77 89 5 0 24 0.00 0.0 0 6.2 14 150 M M 0 20 190
10 101 79 90 6 0 25 T 0.0 0 5.2 16 160 M M 2 3 28 140
11 102 78 90 6 0 25 0.00 0.0 0 5.5 14 160 M M 2 25 150
12 102 78 90 6 0 25 0.00 0.0 0 6.2 14 170 M M 2 23 170
13 102 76 89 5 0 24 0.00 0.0 0 5.9 13 150 M M 0 20 180
14 104 77 91 7 0 26 0.00 0.0 0 4.8 13 170 M M 0 22 170
15 104 79 92 8 0 27 0.00 0.0 0 6.4 15 160 M M 0 23 160
16 99 78 89 5 0 24 0.01 0.0 0 4.8 13 140 M M 1 18 160
17 101 76 89 5 0 24 0.00 0.0 0 3.6 12 170 M M 1 18 180
18 100 78 89 5 0 24 0.00 0.0 0 3.5 8 160 M M 2 15 80
19 103 78 91 7 0 26 T 0.0 0 2.8 17 130 M M 1 3 26 90
20 102 78 90 5 0 25 0.00 0.0 0 6.0 15 160 M M 2 25 160
21 103 78 91 6 0 26 T 0.0 0 6.6 15 150 M M 3 28 140
22 104 79 92 7 0 27 0.00 0.0 0 6.9 15 150 M M 4 25 160
23 104 78 91 6 0 26 0.00 0.0 0 7.5 14 160 M M 2 24 200
24 105 79 92 7 0 27 0.00 0.0 0 6.1 15 160 M M 2 25 160
25 105 77 91 6 0 26 0.00 0.0 0 5.1 14 160 M M 0 25 160
26 103 79 91 6 0 26 0.00 0.0 0 5.6 13 160 M M 0 21 150
27 104 78 91 6 0 26 0.00 0.0 0 6.6 14 160 M M 0 23 170
28 104 79 92 7 0 27 0.00 0.0 0 5.9 14 160 M M 2 23 170
29 102 79 91 6 0 26 0.00 0.0 0 5.8 17 150 M M 2 26 140
30 102 76 89 4 0 24 0.04 0.0 0 6.6 15 140 M M 4 1 21 160
31 102 76 89 4 0 24 0.00 0.0 0 3.2 12 140 M M 0 17 190
================================================================================
SM 3166 2393 0 771 0.05 0.0 160.0 M 34
================================================================================
AV102.1 77.2 5.2 FASTST M M 1 MAX(MPH)
MISC ----> # 17 130 # 29 110
Hottest and driest July Evah!
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Kragar Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:40:56pm |
re: #62 Dark_Falcon
Pagan Heretic!
You're just discriminating against Khornate Americans
Just like Jesus.
Barton: Jesus Supports Employment Discrimination
On today's episode of "Wallbuilders Live" the topic of discussion was whether churches ought to be allowed to discriminate in their hiring practices. Not surprisingly, David Barton argued that they should and, as is his tendency, explained that there is nothing wrong with discrimination because even Jesus says the government is not supposed to be involved in this issue anyway:
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:41:20pm |
For SF/Fantasy fans, I just put a page up with the list of finalists for NPR's "Vote For Top-100 Science Fiction, Fantasy Titles" . The finalist list is, probably, even more fun than the winners list will be :D
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Kragar Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:41:32pm |
re: #64 Slumbering Behemoth
Burn the heretic! Kill the mutant! Purge the unclean!
The Inquisition, lets begin...
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:44:13pm |
re: #22 austin_blue
From the previous thread:
re: #412 ggt
or doubly--unless you only have one cheek.
Seriously, sorry you live in Texas.
I love Austin. What can I say? We've got no water issues here in town, yet. It's just oppressively hot.
If Hoops shows up tonight (he may be dead from heat stroke) he'll tell you that, right now, it is *much* worse in Norman, OK.
The question is, is this the new normal?
The next question is, what is going to happen in Midland/Odessa/Big Spring/San Angelo when their last reservoir, which is at 24% capacity, runs dry. The other four reservoirs are at 0% and they have no useful groundwater resources nearby. That's several hundred thousand people hanging on by their fingernails.
Whiskey's for drinkin', water's for fightin'.
(Hang in there, bubba. This too shall pass!)
Imagine the day when the Mexican drug cartels give up the drug business and undertake the far, far more lucrative potable water business. Lebensraum is old and busted; Trinkwasser is the new hotness.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:44:16pm |
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Kragar Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:44:50pm |
re: #61 Slumbering Behemoth
Prayer, commandment, and pogrom, all in one. Sure is an efficient god, that one.
Well, he's not one for speeches, so he says a lot with a little.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:45:13pm |
re: #63 austin_blue
I hate proportional fonts.
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:45:40pm |
re: #52 Slumbering Behemoth
Get your ass to Perry's Prayer Parley!!!
/
Perry called for a rain prayer in May. Nothing happened. Obama came to Austin in June and the day after he left? Bang! Two inches of water fell from the sky.
Just sayin'...
Pointy Boots has got no juice with the Almighty, but people believe he does... But if he runs, he'll be the R nominee. Which is just frickin' hilarious.
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Kragar Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:47:25pm |
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:51:05pm |
re: #69 negativ
Imagine the day when the Mexican drug cartels give up the drug business and undertake the far, far more lucrative potable water business. Lebensraum is old and busted; Trinkwasser is the new hotness.
Northern Mexico isn't in much better shape, and then there are the smuggling issues.
"Hola, ese, what's in the tanker truck?"
"Gasolina?"
"Ha ha ha ha! Let's see what's up your ass."
Not a pretty picture.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:51:18pm |
re: #73 austin_blue
Perry called for a rain prayer in May. Nothing happened.
You didn't clap hard enough, that's why. No, wait. That's Tinkerbell.
You didn't pray hard enough, that's why.
Obama came to Austin in June and the day after he left? Bang! Two inches of water fell from the sky.
False prophet sent to deceive with false miracles. Duh?!?! What are you, new?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:52:14pm |
ooooh, a Sci-Fi/Fantasy Book thread!!!!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:52:49pm |
re: #74 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
You call that a Blood God?
NO! A prophet of the Blood God. A very lazy, scientifically ignorant Blood God.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:53:33pm |
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:54:48pm |
re: #72 negativ
I hate proportional fonts.
Me too. But NOAA is still coding in FORTRAN, for pity's sake.
(Joke. Maybe.)
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:54:58pm |
Your High-Drama 80s Keyboards Clip of the Day:
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Mocking Jay Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:55:02pm |
re: #77 ggt
oooh, a Sci-Fi/Fantasy Book thread!!!
I can't take that list seriously with Under Heaven.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:55:19pm |
re: #77 ggt
oooh, a Sci-Fi/Fantasy Book thread!!!
You were posting while I was reading and printing the list.
I can't decide--I get only 10?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:56:18pm |
re: #82 JasonA
I can't take that list seriously with Under Heaven.
I don't see an Under Heaven in the "u" section.
Who wrote it?
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Mocking Jay Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:56:36pm |
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Mocking Jay Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:57:43pm |
re: #84 ggt
I don't see an Under Heaven in the "u" section.
Who wrote it?
Guy Gavriel Kay. Most beautiful fantasy book I've ever read. Based on the An Lushan Rebellion in 8th century China.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:57:56pm |
re: #79 ggt
No! You've clearly have misinterpreted the Smoky Revelations. Jasmine is what is needed here, fool!
/sectarian schism
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Aug 2, 2011 8:59:45pm |
re: #76 Slumbering Behemoth
You didn't clap hard enough, that's why. No, wait. That's Tinkerbell.
You didn't pray hard enough, that's why.
False prophet sent to deceive with false miracles. Duh?!?! What are you, new?
Entirely too appropriate:
The people wanted power and reputation galore
So they became a bunch of bullies
In the Assorted Sizes War
And they sailed around the global block
Looking for some heads to knock
And most of them came home heroes
Heroes in a boxAnd the rainmaker came to town
And the people got what they wanted
The rainmaker came to town
And everybody got what they need
The rain came falling down
Cats and dogs and buckets
And the rainmaker sailed away on a flood of reliefThe people wanted beauty and prettiness and all
So they stretched and they dressed and they made up
And put mirrors on every wall
Till they all went blind from eyestrain
From the thing they wanted most
Now everybody's so isolated
A good-looking bunch of ghostsThe women just wanted their food to keep
Instant potatoes and rubber meat
The kids just wanted to watch TV
Now the girls can't spell and the boys can't read
The men just wanted a steady job
Now they've got to pay the union mob
And everybody wanted to be free
Laws and rules should keep it that wayEverybody wants to be happy
Everybody wants to be warm
And be loved and liked and wanted
And have some kind of home
But getting it is work
And keeping it is tough
But destroying it's the easy bit
We've all got the magic touchAnd the rainmaker came to town
And the people got what they wanted
The rainmaker came to town
And everybody got what they need
The rain came falling down
Cats and dogs and buckets
And the rainmaker sailed away on a flood of relief
Trying to find a song called "Rainmaker" by a band called "The Rainmakers" on Youtube is impossible. You can, however, find 891357 things that match your search terms but are not even close to the right thing.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:00:04pm |
re: #81 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Nah, this thread started with guitar, so lets have some 80's guitar:
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:01:34pm |
re: #15 HoosierHoops
It's fricking COLD in LALA land.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:01:37pm |
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:02:18pm |
re: #86 JasonA
Guy Gavriel Kay. Most beautiful fantasy book I've ever read. Based on the An Lushan Rebellion in 8th century China.
His Fionavar Tapestry series is on it though & I was happy to vote for it. I fear that Under Heaven is just too new.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:03:33pm |
re: #91 Slumbering Behemoth
Oh. So now I'm being cast as an Arrested Development character?
You're fired.
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Gus Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:04:16pm |
You ever notice how when it snows anything above average during Winter that climate change deniers will always respond with "see there is no climate change!"
Yet, when there's a long duration of above average temperature during the summer months they don't conclude "see there is climate change!" although generally speaking they're silent about those event.
They don't apply the same method of rationalizing with Summer as they do with Winter.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:04:58pm |
re: #92 wlewisiii
His Fionavar Tapestry series is on it though & I was happy to vote for it. I fear that Under Heaven is just too new.
I could see that point, but they added Rothfuss' Kingkiller Chronicles. I only the first one so far, and I did enjoy it a lot, but it wasn't as good as UH and it's new too.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:05:05pm |
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:05:10pm |
re: #86 JasonA
Guy Gavriel Kay. Most beautiful fantasy book I've ever read. Based on the An Lushan Rebellion in 8th century China.
Ah. SF vs. Fantasy. Big difference.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:05:28pm |
re: #94 Gus 802
You ever notice how when it snows anything above average during Winter that climate change deniers will always respond with "see there is no climate change!"
Yet, when there's a long duration of above average temperature during the summer months they don't conclude "see there is climate change!" although generally speaking they're silent about those event.
They don't apply the same method of rationalizing with Summer as they do with Winter.
It's the sun, stupid.
/
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Mocking Jay Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:06:03pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:07:04pm |
So, here's my list:
1-1984
2-The City and The City
3-The Dune Chronicles
4-Foundation Trilogy
5-Frankenstein
6-I, Robot
7-LOTR
8-The Once and Future King
9-To Say Nothing of the Dog
10-Rainbow's End.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:07:38pm |
The Jungle is available as a ringtone.
Who would you use it for?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:08:35pm |
re: #88 negativ
Trying to find a song called "Rainmaker" by a band called "The Rainmakers" on Youtube is impossible. You can, however, find 891357 things that match your search terms but are not even close to the right thing.
Ever the curse of the increasing internet.
I recently spotted a very clever and well done photoshop. It appeared to be a pic of a baby in a high chair that made a mess of chocolate cake with blue frosting, which was altered to look like the little devil was devouring a small number of screaming Smurfs.
To find it again, I type in "baby eating smurfs", and get nothing but pic after pic of kids with blue stained tongues. :sigh: And it was such a good photoshop.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:08:43pm |
re: #92 wlewisiii
His Fionavar Tapestry series is on it though & I was happy to vote for it. I fear that Under Heaven is just too new.
The list is loaded against the old, too. "Aniara" didn't make it, though it won Martinson a Nobel and became an experimental opera and a rock opera.
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Gus Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:08:53pm |
re: #98 JasonA
It's the sun, stupid.
/
...
No man! It's the Communist Watermelon© of envirofascism man! Green on the outside and red in teh middle!
Derp.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:09:17pm |
Battlefield fucking Earth is on the list.
The list is crap.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:10:15pm |
re: #95 JasonA
I could see that point, but they added Rothfuss' Kingkiller Chronicles. I only the first one so far, and I did enjoy it a lot, but it wasn't as good as UH and it's new too.
True enough. If I were going to get grumpy about left offs, I'd probably be complaining about "The Last Light of the Sun " not being on it. Still, it's a better list than 99% I've seen & better than what it'll get whittled down to in the end.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:10:55pm |
re: #105 JasonA
Battlefield fucking Earth is on the list.
The list is crap.
It was from books submitted for readers --it is only those nominated.
Wait to see who is in the win category.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:11:44pm |
re: #96 Dark_Falcon
Just kidding. Floral. Not trying to be a pest.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:12:06pm |
re: #107 ggt
It was from books submitted for readers --it is only those nominated.
Wait to see who is in the win category.
Okay. That helps explain what Kushiel's Legacy and the Black Jewels series are doing there...
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:13:40pm |
re: #96 Dark_Falcon
70 in the house. Brrr!
Hope you are well!
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Interesting Times Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:14:35pm |
re: #104 Gus 802
...
It snows in winter because durr hurr Al Gore is fat.
It's record-breaking heat and drought in Texas because because God hates San Francisco values.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:14:50pm |
re: #111 Floral Giraffe
70 in the house. Brrr!
Hope you are well!
I'm OK now. I had a bad stomach ache today and was late to work.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:15:56pm |
Went down the "Wiki-hole" earlier. Was looking for an article about Joe Hill, the author. He's Stephen King's son.
Any-hooo; Another Joe Hill (I'd never heard of him) pulled up instead.. He's a worker's rights activist and songwriter from the early 1900s...
Fast forward a couple of hours. I'm listening to a Butch Carp novel (Robert Tanenbaum) and there's a character who's singing union songs; one of the songs is about... you guessed it... Joe Fuckin' Hill.
I love it when stuff like that happens.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:16:06pm |
re: #89 Dark_Falcon
Nah, this thread started with guitar, so lets have some 80's guitar:
[Video]
Your High-Drama 80s Guitar Clip of the Day:
(poor audio, fantastic version)
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:16:20pm |
re: #105 JasonA
Battlefield fucking Earth is on the list.
The list is crap.
eh, as I said on my page, I was pleasantly surprised that my all time favorite novel in this area was on it - Zelazny's "Lord of Light". Not too well know but an amazing piece of fantasy and SF and even philosophy mixed in one book I reread regularly.
It's a small self-selected group who took the time to post when they noticed it. I still think it's better than some even thought there is a certain amount of pure dreck there - Battlefield Earth or 1632.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:17:17pm |
There is Tigana by Guy Gavriel Kay
was it good?
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Decatur Deb Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:19:43pm |
re: #114 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Went down the "Wiki-hole" earlier. Was looking for an article about Joe Hill, the author. He's Stephen King's son.
Any-hooo; Another Joe Hill (I'd never heard of him) pulled up instead.. He's a worker's rights activist and songwriter from the early 1900s...
Fast forward a couple of hours. I'm listening to a Butch Carp novel (Robert Tanenbaum) and there's a character who's singing union songs; one of the songs is about... you guessed it... Joe Fuckin' Hill.
I love it when stuff like that happens.
It's like...synchronicity..dude.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:19:43pm |
I agree, I would leave off anything by L. Ron.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:20:54pm |
re: #119 ggt
I agree, I would leave off anything by L. Ron.
Concur. That man was cuckoo for Coco Puffs.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:21:01pm |
re: #112 publicityStunted
That's why there wuz those earthquakes in Arkansas!
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Gus Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:21:58pm |
re: #112 publicityStunted
It's record-breaking heat and drought in Texas because because God hates San Francisco values.
...
That's just a message from God to Rick Perry for him to run for president so that once he becomes president he can put a halt to those HOMOSEXUAL San Francisco values that are destroying this Christian nation with the help of Barack HUSSEIN Obama!!11ty
Once he's president God will end the record-breaking heat that has befallen Texas!!11ty
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:22:13pm |
re: #117 ggt
There is Tigana by Guy Gavriel Kay
was it good?
I think so, but then I think he's one of those who you can't go wrong with. He's got a distinctive style though so it's hard to know if you'll like it or not before trying him. He did help Christopher Tolkien edit his dad's posthumous works for what that's worth.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:22:51pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:23:41pm |
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:24:11pm |
re: #100 ggt
So, here's my list:
1-1984
2-The City and The City
3-The Dune Chronicles
4-Foundation Trilogy
5-Frankenstein
6-I, Robot
7-LOTR
8-The Once and Future King
9-To Say Nothing of the Dog
10-Rainbow's End.
Mine, in no particular order
Dune (NOT the chronicles)
Lord of Light
I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream (SS collection)
Neuromancer
Stranger From A Strange land
Lord Valentine's Castle
Cities in Flight
Islands in the Stream
The Left Hand of Darkness
Nova
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:24:28pm |
re: #125 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I have no idea what you just said. So... yeah.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:24:39pm |
I'm not sure about the Outlander Series.
Haven't been able to force myself to read it.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:24:50pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:25:50pm |
re: #127 austin_blue
Mine, in no particular order
Dune (NOT the chronicles)
Lord of Light
I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream (SS collection)
Neuromancer
Stranger From A Strange land
Lord Valentine's Castle
Cities in Flight
Islands in the Stream
The Left Hand of Darkness
Nova
I'm finding it hard to remember what I've read and what was a movie. Now that I see it in the post the Left Hand of Darkness sounds familiar. Was it a movie?
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Decatur Deb Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:26:12pm |
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:26:28pm |
re: #127 austin_blue
Mine, in no particular order
Dune (NOT the chronicles)
Lord of Light
I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream (SS collection)
Neuromancer
StrangerFromIn A Strange land
Lord Valentine's Castle
Cities in Flight
Islands in the Stream
The Left Hand of Darkness
NovaPIMF
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:27:26pm |
I'm sure you don't care. But, here's the way a Wiki-dive works for me.
Was looking for Joe Hill (the author). Well, instead of the author, this guy came up. So I went back and read about the author, and found out that he got his name from the other guy that had come up. So, I read the story about Joe Hill, a 19th century songwriter and worker's right advocate. And, well, I'm not a big union guy and I thought "Joe? Shoeless Joe Jackson." That took to me the story of Shoeless Joe Jackson. Which took me to the book "Shoeless Joe" (which the movie "Field of Dreams" was based on.) So, I read about the movie "Field of Dreams" (on of my faves) and found that the character Terrance Mann was actually based on J.D. Salinger; Author of "Catcher in the Rye". Now I'm reading about Holden Caulfield. Oh, and I forgot, I also pulled up DB Sweeney who played Shoeless Joe in "Eight Men Out.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:27:32pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:28:21pm |
Wobblies wobble but they don't fall down?
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Decatur Deb Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:29:12pm |
re: #137 ggt
Wobblies wobble but they don't fall down?
They fall down, but they don't mourn--they organize.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:29:21pm |
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:29:54pm |
re: #132 ggt
I'm finding it hard to remember what I've read and what was a movie. Now that I see it in the post the Left Hand of Darkness sounds familiar. Was it a movie?
No. Novel by Ursula K. LeGuin. Set in a beautifully consistent universe.
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Digital Display Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:30:51pm |
re: #142 austin_blue
No. Novel by Ursula K. LeGuin. Set in a beautifully consistent universe.
Amsterdam? :)
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:31:22pm |
re: #139 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Wobblies weeble but they don't fall down
You can knock 'em down, though, if you've got a good club. >:D
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:31:30pm |
re: #127 austin_blue
Nice list. I agree about Dune. I'd probably go with Dhalgren over Nova though.
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Gus Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:34:29pm |
By this point, most of you have heard about the tragedy in Norway a few weeks ago when a Christian Fundamentalist* murdered 77** people and injured another 96. The story has been well-covered by International media and the mainstream press here in the US.
What you probably have not heard about is the married lesbian couple who rescued 40 teenagers during and after the bloody event. Several blogs and gay and lesbian publications are now picking up the story, but the heavy hitters who usually kill for hero stories like this, have remained silent...
*The term “Christian Fundamentalist” has been disputed greatly in both the press and the comments section below this post. According to Norwegian police investigating the massacre, Anders Behrin Breivik was a “Christian Fundamentalist” as described by the New York Times and several Norwegian sources. There is a great post from CNN, which discusses at length, the use of the term being used for Breivik.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:36:14pm |
re: #145 wlewisiii
The Peace War - Vernor Vinge
The concept still has me all-a-twitter. Think I read it 25 years ago.
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:36:24pm |
Shit! I didn't put Ringworld in there? It's a kick ass novel.
And Downbelow Station? An absolute tension convention.
I would suggest all of the work by Cherryh, Niven, Stephenson, Gibson, LeGuin, Ellison, Sterling, and Doctorow to you.
Shit hot.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:37:07pm |
re: #147 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The Peace War - Vernor Vinge
The concept still has me all-a-twitter. Think I read it 25 years ago.
That's how Rainbow's End has me.
Freaked out.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:37:31pm |
re: #148 austin_blue
Shit! I didn't put Ringworld in there? It's a kick ass novel.
And Downbelow Station? An absolute tension convention.
I would suggest all of the work by Cherryh, Niven, Stephenson, Gibson, LeGuin, Ellison, Sterling, and Doctorow to you.
Shit hot.
Got Woofie?
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:38:04pm |
re: #146 Gus 802
*The term “Christian Fundamentalist” has been disputed greatly in both the press and the comments section below this post. According to Norwegian police investigating the massacre, Anders Behrin Breivik was a “Christian Fundamentalist” as described by the New York Times and several Norwegian sources. There is a great post from CNN, which discusses at length, the use of the term being used for Breivik.
This is an outrage! Those women had no business saving those pro-Islam Commies. They should have been at home married to men and busy making dinner! This is just another chance for the godless media to promote perversion and bash Christianity!
I wish this was /sarc, but I'm sure there are those who actually think this way.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:39:17pm |
I think Edgar Allen Poe is considered in the genre as well, although most people consider him horror.
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:40:22pm |
re: #145 wlewisiii
Nice list. I agree about Dune. I'd probably go with Dhalgren over Nova though.
I wanted one per author. I liked Nova for its scaled-down plot and adherence to space opera. As pure literature, Dhalgren was a *much* better book. But I thought it more a dystopian fantasy than traditional SF. (Which is where the arguments begin, yes?)
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Decatur Deb Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:41:06pm |
re: #152 ggt
I think Edgar Allen Poe is considered in the genre as well, although most people consider him horror.
Don't see much Sci in his Fi. Tolkien is on the list, too.
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Gus Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:42:09pm |
re: #151 Dark_Falcon
I wish this was /sarc, but I'm sure there are those who actually think this way.
Right. Or they'd say thing like "why do they have to tell us that they're a married lesbian couple" leading to some BS about "promoting a gay agenda". As if we never read about "married father of 2" heroes and so on.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:42:14pm |
re: #146 Gus 802
Dear Gravel, I do not want to see how the wingnut-o-sphere try to spin that one. I feel like Punxsutawney Phil every time another detail of this horrible story surfaces.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:43:15pm |
re: #154 Decatur Deb
Don't see much Sci in his Fi. Tolkien is on the list, too.
Tolkien counts as fantasy--I guess.
I know about Edgar, but I guess he has been an inspiration for many. Like the Chuthulu guy, who is also, technically, horror.
Such things cross genre boundries.
Wait, there are boundries?
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:44:55pm |
re: #153 austin_blue
I wanted one per author. I liked Nova for its scaled-down plot and adherence to space opera. As pure literature, Dhalgren was a *much* better book. But I thought it more a dystopian fantasy than traditional SF. (Which is where the arguments begin, yes?)
I can agree with your thought. Much of the best SF/Fantasy is dystopian though so that's not a problem for me; my favorite TV SF remains "Blake's 7" which is the ultimate "Anti-Star Trek" :lol:
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:44:58pm |
Kracken was much more a horror/mystery novel than sci-fi, but Mieville is marketed as Sci-Fi.
go figure.
Same with The City and The City. It was a dystopian murder mystery--no real Sci in it. (that I recall).
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:45:06pm |
re: #156 Slumbering Behemoth
Dear Gravel, I do not want to see how the wingnut-o-sphere try to spin that one. I feel like Punxsutawney Phil every time another detail of this horrible story surfaces.
At least the groundhog has its hole to hide in. No such luck for us.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:45:19pm |
re: #155 Gus 802
Right. Or they'd say thing like "why do they have to tell us that they're a married lesbian couple" leading to some BS about "promoting a gay agenda". As if we never read about "married father of 2" heroes and so on.
NAMBLA members could have saved those children and gotten applause from me. I don't think I am alone on the right on this one.
Of course, I would have taken the children away from them immediately... but that goes without sayin'.
Well, I guess it doesn't. But you know what I mean.
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:45:22pm |
re: #150 ggt
Got Woofie?
Gene? You know he's 80 now?
Brilliant writer. My favorite of his is Soldier Of The Mist. Never got into the whole Torturer series.
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Gus Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:45:36pm |
re: #156 Slumbering Behemoth
Dear Gravel, I do not want to see how the wingnut-o-sphere try to spin that one. I feel like Punxsutawney Phil every time another detail of this horrible story surfaces.
The wingnut-o-sphere can go [deleted]...
[static]
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:46:55pm |
re: #163 austin_blue
Gene? You know he's 80 now?
Brilliant writer. My favorite of his is Soldier Of The Mist. Never got into the whole Torturer series.
quite amusing
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:47:45pm |
re: #165 ggt
quite amusing
woofie was social currency used instead of money.
Kinda like our updings.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:48:51pm |
re: #163 austin_blue
Gene? You know he's 80 now?
Brilliant writer. My favorite of his is Soldier Of The Mist. Never got into the whole Torturer series.
Heh. I've tried a couple of times. Those books go back to the library almost as fast as the George R. R. Martin books.
Yes, I'm sorry, but I really don't like the "A Song Of Ice And Fire" books.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:48:52pm |
Oh. Found out that a guy I work with (whom I once admired) is a gigantic George Noory fan. Believes most of the shit.
Guy seemed really smart too.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:48:57pm |
re: #161 Dark_Falcon
At least the groundhog has its hole to hide in. No such luck for us.
I just hide away from the internet, and virtually kill zombies or mutants or something.
I have no idea why some of this shit bugs me so much. Maybe I just have some sore nerves left over from the "We deserved 9/11" assholes.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:50:45pm |
re: #168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh. Found out that a guy I work with (whom I once admired) is a gigantic George Noory fan. Believes most of the shit.
Guy seemed really smart too.
I believe there's a George Noory
After that, not so much!
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Kragar Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:50:51pm |
re: #168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh. Found out that a guy I work with (whom I once admired) is a gigantic George Noory fan. Believes most of the shit.
Guy seemed really smart too.
Guy I work with is smart as hell when it comes to most subjects, then argues carbon dating is flawed, the Earth is only a few thousands years old, and that we need to be on guard against the Bilderberg group.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:50:53pm |
re: #169 Slumbering Behemoth
I just hide away from the internet, and virtually kill zombies or mutants or something.
I have no idea why some of this shit bugs me so much. Maybe I just have some sore nerves left over from the "We deserved 9/11" assholes.
I'm putting my head in the sand with reading fiction. Rome is the current theme. Sci-fi was before and will be after I run out of interesting Rome books.
Sci-fi is eternal.
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Gus Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:51:17pm |
Oh this looks pretty good...
Are Conservatives Ignoring Bachmann’s History?
Part of the reason FrumForum has inaugurated a Joan of Bachmann watch...
Off we go to Joan of Bachmann watch...
Introducing: Joan of Bachmann Watch
The incense and hallelujahs once heaped upon the Martyr of Wasilla have been redirected to the Saint of Waterloo. As with Palin too, the Bachmann-mania seems likely to prove both embarrassing and temporary. Before it subsides, we thought it might be a useful service to future generations of Republicans to preserve some of the most effusive statements – in hopes of inoculating this party against recurrences of this form of delusion in the political cycles to come.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:51:54pm |
re: #169 Slumbering Behemoth
I just hide away from the internet, and virtually kill zombies or mutants or something.
I have no idea why some of this shit bugs me so much. Maybe I just have some sore nerves left over from the "We deserved 9/11" assholes.
Me too. Pam Geller's too fanatic to notice, but she sounds exactly like Ward Churchill on this one. The victims of terror "deserved to die". That's sick and depraved.
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:51:56pm |
re: #162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
NAMBLA members could have saved those children and gotten applause from me. I don't think I am alone on the right on this one.
Of course, I would have taken the children away from them immediately... but that goes without sayin'.
Well, I guess it doesn't. But you know what I mean.
Whoa, wait.
Are you serious? You would have given children to NAMBLA?!?!?
What kind of fever dream, drug-induced, bull-goose-loony insanity is this? Am I missing something, or did you just endorse paedophelia?
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sattv4u2 Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:52:02pm |
re: #172 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Guy I work with is smart as hell when it comes to most subjects, then argues carbon dating is flawed, the Earth is only a few thousands years old, and that we need to be on guard against the Bilderberg group.
Blow his mind
Tell him you have charts tracing the Bilderbergs back a million years!!
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Decatur Deb Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:52:27pm |
re: #166 ggt
woofie was social currency used instead of money.
Kinda like our updings.
"Aniara" predicted cd-like personal music players in the 1950s. The currency was coins that played when mounted on a finger-ring.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:53:20pm |
re: #151 Dark_Falcon
This is an outrage! Those women had no business saving those pro-Islam Commies. They should have been at home married to men and busy making dinner! This is just another chance for the godless media to promote perversion and bash Christianity!
All these sodomites provoked poor Anders to do what he did!!!!
I bet I can find quotes close to verbatim.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:53:30pm |
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Decatur Deb Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:55:24pm |
re: #180 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I bet I can find quotes close to verbatim.
Look in the Westboro cult's luggage when they get to Norway.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:55:32pm |
re: #172 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Guy I work with is smart as hell when it comes to most subjects, then argues carbon dating is flawed, the Earth is only a few thousands years old, and that we need to be on guard against the Bilderberg group.
Dude...
We work with the same dude...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:56:52pm |
re: #176 austin_blue
Whoa, wait.
Are you serious? You would have given children to NAMBLA?!?!?
What kind of fever dream, drug-induced, bull-goose-loony insanity is this? Am I missing something, or did you just endorse paedophelia?
No, he didn't.
Read . it. again.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:57:08pm |
re: #178 Decatur Deb
"Aniara" predicted cd-like personal music players in the 1950s. The currency was coins that played when mounted on a finger-ring.
I actually spelled it wrong. It's Whufie.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:57:59pm |
re: #174 Gus 802
As we enter a primary season where Republican infighting threatens to reach a crescendo, I hope we can learn a lesson from Sarah Palin’s ordeal. You may or may not support Michele Bachmann for president, but we can (and should) defend her against the coming ideological onslaught, an onslaught that is aimed at her but whose real targets are the core values that govern many of our lives.
Stupidity, ignorance, hide-bound ideology, and an unwillingness to admit simple mistakes? Those "core values" do not govern this conservative's life.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:58:12pm |
re: #179 ggt
Hitler's head is kept alive in a jar.
Kennedy was shot by aliens.
"You know, Morons."
-The Waco Kid
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:58:35pm |
re: #179 ggt
I'll take George Norry over Hugh Hewitt or Rush Limbaugh or Mark Levin or Neal Boortz any day
some of the only truly good talk radio left is Phil Hendrie, though: [Link: www.philhendrieshow.com...] Talk radio besides a very few people, has been ghettoized into an echo chamber for idiot conservatives and bigots
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:58:52pm |
re: #146 Gus 802
[From link...]
*The term “Christian Fundamentalist” has been disputed greatly in both the press and the comments section below this post. According to Norwegian police investigating the massacre, Anders Behrin Breivik was a “Christian Fundamentalist” as described by the New York Times and several Norwegian sources. There is a great post from CNN, which discusses at length, the use of the term being used for Breivik.
Heh, CNN been readin' Oh Crap, I Have A Crush On Sarah Palin ... /lol
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:59:18pm |
re: #172 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Guy I work with is smart as hell when it comes to most subjects, then argues carbon dating is flawed, the Earth is only a few thousands years old, and that we need to be on guard against the Bilderberg group.
Gotta watch out for those those smart-as-hell people. They can take A+B and = !!ty and get away with it.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 2, 2011 9:59:50pm |
re: #176 austin_blue
I was going to say Hitler. But then I thought... why go all Godwin on a nice music/nerd thread.
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:00:32pm |
re: #185 ggt
No, he didn't.
Read . it. again.
Phew! Okay. Sorry I snapped off. That was just not clear.
Bygones! Apologies to FBV.
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Gus Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:00:42pm |
re: #187 Slumbering Behemoth
Stupidity, ignorance, hide-bound ideology, and an unwillingness to admit simple mistakes? Those "core values" do not govern this conservative's life.
Which is a sub quote by David French and not what Frum Forum is saying.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:01:50pm |
re: #172 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Guy I work with is smart as hell when it comes to most subjects, then argues carbon dating is flawed, the Earth is only a few thousands years old, and that we need to be on guard against the Bilderberg group.
Smart people can delude themselves just like anyone else
tribalism beats intelligence, and critical thinking beats tribalism. Plenty of smart people out there who don't think critically about the world, because it's hard, and it sets them adrift from their tribe. It's tough making friends when your purported friends spout gibberish and you keep bringing up that it's gibberish! :D
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:02:44pm |
re: #196 WindUpBird
Smart people can delude themselves just like anyone else
tribalism beats intelligence, and critical thinking beats tribalism. Plenty of smart people out there who don't think critically about the world, because it's hard, and it sets them adrift from their tribe. It's tough making friends when your purported friends spout gibberish and you keep bringing up that it's gibberish! :D
We are feeling animals who think.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:05:39pm |
re: #174 Gus 802
Oh this looks pretty good...
Are Conservatives Ignoring Bachmann’s History?
Off we go to Joan of Bachmann watch...
"The incense and hallelujahs once heaped upon the Martyr of Wasilla have been redirected to the Saint of Waterloo."
rotfl
I noticed the same thing back in June. Well, a year ago actually (used to poke fun of Palin as Joan of Arc., 2.0.) But these things are hilarious. I don't know if it's funny or sad, though, that people keep falling for it :/
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:05:57pm |
If anyone is interested, this person has some fantastic podcasts regarding Sci-Fi History.
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Kragar Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:06:21pm |
Biggest-ever series of cyber attacks uncovered
Security experts have discovered the biggest series of cyber attacks to date, involving the infiltration of the networks of 72 organizations including the United Nations, governments and companies around the world.
Security company McAfee, which uncovered the intrusions, said it believed there was one "state actor" behind the attacks but declined to name it, though one security expert who has been briefed on the hacking said the evidence points to China.
The long list of victims in the five-year campaign include the governments of the United States, Taiwan, India, South Korea, Vietnam and Canada; the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN); the International Olympic Committee (IOC); the World Anti-Doping Agency; and an array of companies, from defense contractors to high-tech enterprises.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:06:30pm |
re: #194 austin_blue
Phew! Okay. Sorry I snapped off. That was just not clear.
Bygones! Apologies to FBV.
Snicker.
Snap on *snapsnap* Snap off *snapsnap* it's the Snapper.
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Gus Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:07:08pm |
re: #198 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
"The incense and hallelujahs once heaped upon the Martyr of Wasilla have been redirected to the Saint of Waterloo."
rotfl
I noticed the same thing back in June. Well, a year ago actually (used to poke fun of Palin as Joan of Arc., 2.0.) But these things are hilarious. I don't know if it's funny or sad, though, that people keep falling for it :/
Yeah that line's a keeper. I don't know what people see in this nut but you know how that goes.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:07:28pm |
re: #195 Gus 802
Which is a sub quote by David French and not what Frum Forum is saying.
Right. I should have pointed that out.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:08:03pm |
re: #202 Gus 802
Yeah that line's a keeper. I don't know what people see in this nut but you know how that goes.
I said it was the Sexy Librarian Fantasy with Palin. I don't get what it is with Bachman. I think she must use evil mind rays or something. Her eyes just aren't right.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:08:48pm |
re: #201 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Snicker.
Snap on *snapsnap* Snap off *snapsnap* it's the Snapper.
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:09:41pm |
Well the witching hour approacheth, and the creatures of the night are aprowl in Bouldin! Vamps, Shapeshifters Werewolves, Fairies, and Witches are on the move. I need to sleep.
But first, I'm going to finish a glass of wine and smoke a cig on the back porch and hope I am not killed by the un-, semi-, kindasorta-, not-really, dead who inhabit my 'hood. Wish me luck, and sweet dreams to the Lizard Nation.
PS: Jugs is a freakazoid. Nighty, all!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:11:11pm |
The crazy conspiracy shit Hot Air commenters deal out about obama's birth control mandate, man it'd put George Norry to SHAME [Link: hotair.com...]
it's solid gold crazy, just click, read, and giggle [Link: hotair.com...]
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:11:40pm |
re: #204 ggt
I said it was the Sexy Librarian Fantasy with Palin. I don't get what it is with Bachman. I think she must use evil mind rays or something. Her eyes just aren't right.
I don't get it, either. Palin is at least fun. Bachmann...no personality, looks like a stepford wife on Haldol, sounds like one, too.
rotfl
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Gus Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:12:11pm |
re: #204 ggt
I said it was the Sexy Librarian Fantasy with Palin. I don't get what it is with Bachman. I think she must use evil mind rays or something. Her eyes just aren't right.
There used to be a sort-of regular here that always used to bring up how good Michele Bachmann looked. You know. That guy with the "mofo" in his name. Haven't seen him for months now.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:12:33pm |
re: #208 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I don't get it, either. Palin is at least fun. Bachmann...no personality, looks like a stepford wife on Haldol, sounds like one, too.
rotfl
I DREAM of Bachmann getting the nomination, it'd be hilarious
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:13:37pm |
re: #208 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
stepford wife on Haldol
THAT'S it exactly!
Too Perfect -- is a telling trait.
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Gus Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:14:30pm |
re: #207 WindUpBird
The crazy conspiracy shit Hot Air commenters deal out about obama's birth control mandate, man it'd put George Norry to SHAME [Link: hotair.com...]
it's solid gold crazy, just click, read, and giggle [Link: hotair.com...]
Man. If that doesn't prove what a bunch of dildos these guys are I don't know what does. Seriously? Bitching and moaning about contraception? I bet most of those Hot Air wingnut dweebs are still virgins.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:14:33pm |
re: #209 Gus 802
There used to be a sort-of regular here that always used to bring up how good Michele Bachmann looked. You know. That guy with the "mofo" in his name. Haven't seen him for months now.
She's pleasant looking, which is I guess what a guy like rwmofo is looking for in a candidate. CANDIDATE PRETTY! VOTE PLZ! :D
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:15:47pm |
re: #212 Gus 802
Man. If that doesn't prove what a bunch of dildos these guys are I don't know what does. Seriously? Bitching and moaning about contraception? I bet most of those Hot Air wingnut dweebs are still virgins.
If if they are, whatever.
JUST DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO FUCKING DO WITH MY WOMB!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:16:13pm |
re: #209 Gus 802
it's like those image memes where brain surgeons try to compare the attractiveness of republicans to democrats. Generally, women, so you know where they're coming from.
Gosh, I didn't know I was voting for lawmakers so that they'd walk runways and model face cream!
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:17:03pm |
re: #210 WindUpBird
I DREAM of Bachmann getting the nomination, it'd be hilarious
Ngh. That would give her a 50/50 chance of winning, blah.
But leave it to stupid socials and culturals to go and try putting some unlicensed Christian counselors on their ballot, or whatever she is. Lol these are the same shitheads weeping and gnashing their teeth over a community organizer on the ballot. /rotfl
Dumbfracks.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:17:34pm |
re: #204 ggt
I said it was the Sexy Librarian Fantasy with Palin. I don't get what it is with Bachman. I think she must use evil mind rays or something. Her eyes just aren't right.
Never found Sarah all that good looking (too scrawny for my tastes) but compared to Bachman she's Sandro Botticelli's Venus on the half shell & then some.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:18:04pm |
re: #212 Gus 802
Man. If that doesn't prove what a bunch of dildos these guys are I don't know what does. Seriously? Bitching and moaning about contraception? I bet most of those Hot Air wingnut dweebs are still virgins.
I'm just enjoying the all-directions-a-once nutbag Republican conspiracy theorizing :D it's pretty creative, the stuff they come up with! it'd make for a good alarmist comic book
And this is Hot Air! Not Freepers, Hot Air! They're supposed to be the smart ones, lol.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:18:43pm |
re: #215 WindUpBird
it's like those image memes where brain surgeons try to compare the attractiveness of republicans to democrats. Generally, women, so you know where they're coming from.
Gosh, I didn't know I was voting for lawmakers so that they'd walk runways and model face cream!
Because Hillary is just too much for them. They need the comfort of a "beautiful" face to pacify them.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:19:10pm |
re: #199 ggt
If anyone is interested, this person has some fantastic podcasts regarding Sci-Fi History.
Thanks, I'll give these a listen later.
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Gus Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:19:37pm |
ZOMBIE WAS RIGHT! DR. HOLDREN IS IN CONTROL NOW AND SOON GOVERNMENT SPONSORED CONTRACEPTION WILL LEAD TO THE FORCED CONTRACEPTION BY THE BHO GOVERNMENT OF OUR WIMINS LEADING TO THE DECLINE OF
WHITECIVILIZATION IN MURICA!!11TY
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:20:11pm |
re: #216 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Ngh. That would give her a 50/50 chance of winning, blah.
But leave it to stupid socials and culturals to go and try putting some unlicensed Christian counselors on their ballot, or whatever she is. Lol these are the same shitheads weeping and gnashing their teeth over a community organizer on the ballot. /rotfl
Dumbfracks.
I'm (way) more of an optimist. i'd give her a 0/100% chance of winning, because independents would rebel against the psycho crazy
She'd get fundies on her side, but the far-right cultural conservative push would act as a warning to independent voters
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:21:17pm |
re: #217 wlewisiii
Never found Sarah all that good looking (too scrawny for my tastes) but compared to Bachman she's Sandro Botticelli's Venus on the half shell & then some.
I liked her earlier image and persona. But now, she just looks plastic and stupid as the rest, afaic. Bachmann...all I can say is, I'm glad the eating disorder standard of beauty will never apply to me. But hey, the rwnj guys can go knock themselves out.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:21:46pm |
re: #222 WindUpBird
I'm (way) more of an optimist. i'd give her a 0/100% chance of winning, because independents would rebel against the psycho crazy
She'd get fundies on her side, but the far-right cultural conservative push would act as a warning to independent voters
It would be interesting to see the number of people from MN who would actually support her. Or the number of people in her county.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:22:28pm |
re: #209 Gus 802
There used to be a sort-of regular here that always used to bring up how good Michele Bachmann looked. You know. That guy with the "mofo" in his name. Haven't seen him for months now.
And that's a "GOOD THING!"
Channelling Martha Stewart.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:23:18pm |
The Migraines are what will be her downfall.
Someone will hack into her RX records . . .
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:24:24pm |
Olympia Snow?
Why don't women like her try to move-up in politics in the GOP?
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Kragar Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:25:17pm |
re: #207 WindUpBird
The crazy conspiracy shit Hot Air commenters deal out about obama's birth control mandate, man it'd put George Norry to SHAME [Link: hotair.com...]
it's solid gold crazy, just click, read, and giggle [Link: hotair.com...]
Just a crazy thought, but wouldn't funding birth control lead to increased savings by cutting down on the number of pre-natal and infant related medical claims, which would cost even more for the poor families?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:26:26pm |
re: #222 WindUpBird
I'm (way) more of an optimist. i'd give her a 0/100% chance of winning, because independents would rebel against the psycho crazy
She'd get fundies on her side, but the far-right cultural conservative push would act as a warning to independent voters
Yeah that's possible. But since we're talking in total hypotheticals, I could see that with a Palin but not a lesser-known like Bachmann. Both would get the dumb 23 percenter vote, true. Any of the idiots with their hat in the ring right now could pull that.
Palin would get the independents up off of their butts, as well as every lwnj anti-Obama prog now yapping about primarying him. Bachmann....not so sure.
Neither have a prayer of getting the nomination. But VP? That's a different story, I think.
Eh, laptop quarterbacking...it's fun.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:26:54pm |
re: #224 ggt
It would be interesting to see the number of people from MN who would actually support her. Or the number of people in her county.
I went to college in St. Cloud MN. She's a perfect fit to that hellish little exception to the norms of the MidWest. Shudder. Drunk or knowing you could leave and go home were the only ways to deal with that community.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:26:54pm |
re: #228 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Just a crazy thought, but wouldn't funding birth control lead to increased savings by cutting down on the number of pre-natal and infant related medical claims, which would cost even more for the poor families?
DON'T USE LOGIC.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:28:18pm |
re: #231 wlewisiii
I went to college in St. Cloud MN. She's a perfect fit to that hellish little exception to the norms of the MidWest. Shudder. Drunk or knowing you could leave and go home were the only ways to deal with that community.
That sounds like all of Indiana to me.
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Kragar Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:29:30pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:29:35pm |
re: #224 ggt
It would be interesting to see the number of people from MN who would actually support her. Or the number of people in her county.
There's at least nine people who will never get that chance. Maybe more.
:sigh: I'm gonna go smash some virtual zombies. Laters all.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:30:53pm |
re: #235 Slumbering Behemoth
There's at least nine people who will never get that chance. Maybe more.
:sigh: I'm gonna go smash some virtual zombies. Laters all.
I know what that link is. Not going to click it.
Freaking sad!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:31:13pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:32:25pm |
I have to follow suit-- or is it suite?
Revere your Cat Overlord and all will be well.
Night.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:32:33pm |
re: #233 ggt
That sounds like all of Indiana to me.
Or most of Southern California.
Except we at least had Los Angeles to look to as the promised land. Getting there without a car, though...might as well be stuck in Bumfa, Kansas.
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Gus Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:33:27pm |
re: #228 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Just a crazy thought, but wouldn't funding birth control lead to increased savings by cutting down on the number of pre-natal and infant related medical claims, which would cost even more for the poor families?
You mean like running it through a cost benefit analysis? Nah. Not with the Church of Perpetual Whining. They always have to have a reason to complain and complain and complain.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:34:48pm |
re: #240 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Or, East Jablip!
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:35:09pm |
re: #242 Gus 802
Nice new moon, how are you?
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CuriousLurker Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:35:16pm |
re: #242 Gus 802
Great. This will probably make a good page if no one has posted it. I'm fighting insomnia and fasting starts in like 3 hours, so I'm not up to it.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:36:33pm |
re: #245 CuriousLurker
Hope you are fasting for good reasons, or that your results will be good.
Fingers crossed for you!
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Gus Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:37:14pm |
re: #244 Floral Giraffe
Nice new moon, how are you?
I'm OK. Went to the doctor today for a "little" thing that was ailing me. Got some medicine though and hopefully I'll life. :) Nothing major. Just an infection of sorts. I saw that tiny slither of a moon tonight. How are you?
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darthstar Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:38:07pm |
Aw, fuck...my undefeated Grateful Dead Giants' t-shirt just witnessed its first ever loss. That sucks.
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Gus Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:38:12pm |
re: #245 CuriousLurker
Great. This will probably make a good page if no one has posted it. I'm fighting insomnia and fasting starts in like 3 hours, so I'm not up to it.
OK. I'll keep it in mind. Maybe tomorrow? Let me see here because I have to take some pill in about 1 hour.
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CuriousLurker Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:38:24pm |
re: #246 Floral Giraffe
Hope you are fasting for good reasons, or that your results will be good.
Fingers crossed for you!
Yeah, it's Ramadan. Thanks for the crossed fingers—the first week is rough, so I need all the help I can get! ;)
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:38:49pm |
re: #240 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Or most of Southern California.
Except we at least had Los Angeles to look to as the promised land. Getting there without a car, though...might as well be stuck in Bumfa, Kansas.
Madison & Minneapolis here in the middle of flyover. Both are big enough to be interesting but not so big (ala Chicago, NYC, LA, Etc) to actually make you realize they were just as dangerous.
But life is kinda like that, isn't it? Dangerous, hellish, or both at once. Unless you get lucky and more do than they realize at the time. They only notice when 20 years have passed and their oldest is getting ready to graduate. Or give birth...
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CuriousLurker Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:39:24pm |
re: #249 Gus 802
OK. I'll keep it in mind. Maybe tomorrow? Let me see here because I have to take some pill in about 1 hour.
Whenever, only if you feel like it. No pressure.
G'nite everyone. I'm out for good this time.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:39:55pm |
re: #250 CuriousLurker
Best wishes for you, from here.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:40:44pm |
re: #245 CuriousLurker
Great. This will probably make a good page if no one has posted it. I'm fighting insomnia and fasting starts in like 3 hours, so I'm not up to it.
Oy, that's gotta be hard as the calendar moves into the longest days of the year. Does your lunar calendar move all the way around the cycle?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:41:37pm |
re: #241 Gus 802
You mean like running it through a cost benefit analysis? Nah. Not with the Church of Perpetual Whining. They always have to have a reason to complain and complain and complain.
Not happy unless they have something to be miserable about.
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Gus Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:42:57pm |
re: #252 CuriousLurker
Whenever, only if you feel like it. No pressure.
G'nite everyone. I'm out for good this time.
Good night.
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CuriousLurker Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:43:34pm |
re: #254 wlewisiii
Oy, that's gotta be hard as the calendar moves into the longest days of the year. Does your lunar calendar move all the way around the cycle?
Yep, it comes about 13 days earlier every year, which means it'll be falling during the summer months for like the next 10 years or so. *whimper*
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CuriousLurker Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:45:00pm |
re: #256 Gus 802
Good night.
Woohoo—thanks!
Now I'm really, really leaving and I'm not coming back till the afternoon! Heh.
~~~~GONE~~~~
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Only The Lurker Knows Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:45:08pm |
Charles.
I will see you one Pat Metheny and raise you one Carter Family. :-)
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Gus Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:46:12pm |
re: #258 CuriousLurker
Woohoo—thanks!
Now I'm really, really leaving and I'm not coming back till the afternoon! Heh.
~~~GONE~~~
Later. You'll like the photo I just added.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:46:56pm |
re: #257 CuriousLurker
Yep, it comes about 13 days earlier every year, which means it'll be falling during the summer months for like the next 10 years or so. *whimper*
Major suckage.
Not quite the same thing, but my 9 year old boy a) needs 11 hours of sleep a night and b) goes to sleep and gets up with the sun like chickens. See the problem with these two things deep in July and August??? (bangs head against nearest brick wall)
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:51:11pm |
re: #221 Gus 802
This is an URGENT SITUATION AND NOBODY CARES!!!!!!
Teh B. HUSSEIN Obama administration is going to make God-ordained marriage ILLEGAL and replace it with forced Shariah Law LESBIANISM of people who look like Katie Perry! We must gird up our loins with the armor of TROOOTH and resist these assaults on our
raceculture!!
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Kragar Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:51:25pm |
Hot Air logic:
It doesn’t cost a penny not to fornicate.
Yeah, you damn married couples who have trouble paying the bills. Stop screwing around, you fornicators!
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darthstar Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:56:46pm |
re: #262 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Throw me into a room filled with lesbian Katie Perrys. I'm willing to go down for the betterment of all humanity...as many times as it takes.
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Gus Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:57:40pm |
re: #262 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I've been laughing all day about the "Hussein" thing. I remember how people were always bringing it up. You have to say it right to, WHOSANE! With emphasis. The full effect is BUR-ROCK WHO-SANE O-BAMA.
Sample Usage:
BURROCK WHOSANE OBAMA IS GOIN' TEH TAKE AWAY ARE GUNZ!!11ty
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 2, 2011 10:58:52pm |
re: #264 darthstar
Throw me into a room filled with lesbian Katie Perrys. I'm willing to go down for the betterment of all humanity...as many times as it takes.
Hey, I support that! Can't say I blame you.
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Gus Tue, Aug 2, 2011 11:00:33pm |
re: #264 darthstar
Throw me into a room filled with lesbian Katie Perrys. I'm willing to go down for the betterment of all humanity...as many times as it takes.
First you have to make a "Peacock" song video parody.
//
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 2, 2011 11:04:30pm |
Anybody up on that ground turkey salmonella outbreak? It's gone nationwide.
Annoying. I was going to make a dish with ground turkey I bought just last week...death from the outbreak occurred 3 hours from me. Blah.
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Gus Tue, Aug 2, 2011 11:07:19pm |
re: #269 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Anybody up on that ground turkey salmonella outbreak? It's gone nationwide.
Annoying. I was going to make a dish with ground turkey I bought just last week...death from the outbreak occurred 3 hours from me. Blah.
How old was the victim?
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Aug 2, 2011 11:09:47pm |
re: #269 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Anybody up on that ground turkey salmonella outbreak? It's gone nationwide.
Annoying. I was going to make a dish with ground turkey I bought just last week...death from the outbreak occurred 3 hours from me. Blah.
These are really weird to me. See, I grew up on a farm where we raised chickens, turkeys, occasionally ducks & geese too, then there is all that time bird hunting, so I've killed & dressed more a few fowl. It's really fucking easy to keep things clean "enough" to deal with salmonella. I swear you practically gotta hate someone otherwise...
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The Left Tue, Aug 2, 2011 11:21:57pm |
re: #263 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Hot Air logic:
Yeah, you damn married couples who have trouble paying the bills. Stop screwing around, you fornicators!
I was just reading some of the comments on Hot Air about this. What a bunch of maroons.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 2, 2011 11:22:20pm |
re: #270 Gus 802
How old was the victim?
Haven't seen a report...none are very forthcoming. But I am assuming it's a young person, elder or someone with compromised immune system.
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AK-47% Tue, Aug 2, 2011 11:23:20pm |
re: #271 wlewisiii
You are talking about raising individual animals, but our modern food manufacturing ststem is an industrial process.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 2, 2011 11:24:05pm |
re: #271 wlewisiii
These are really weird to me. See, I grew up on a farm where we raised chickens, turkeys, occasionally ducks & geese too, then there is all that time bird hunting, so I've killed & dressed more a few fowl. It's really fucking easy to keep things clean "enough" to deal with salmonella. I swear you practically gotta hate someone otherwise...
I agree. I mean, all the poultry processed, sold, and prepared, the producers keep a handle on it. But I guess once it takes hold, it really spreads.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Aug 2, 2011 11:30:16pm |
Good evening/morning Lizards from Philadelphia.
Just got back from my three week journey in the mysterious Orient*. And my body is still 12 time zones behind...
* - Not really that mysterious. Seems to be full of fairly nice people mainly interested in making a living.
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AK-47% Tue, Aug 2, 2011 11:33:47pm |
re: #261 wlewisiii
Major suckage.
Not quite the same thing, but my 9 year old boy a) needs 11 hours of sleep a night and b) goes to sleep and gets up with the sun like chickens. See the problem with these two things deep in July and August??? (bangs head against nearest brick wall)
Part of Odin's Master Plan to keep Muslims from settling in Northern Europe!
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 2, 2011 11:34:15pm |
I interviewed for a teaching job at a very Orthodox Jewish school today.
Alarmed the poor man interviewing me when I told him that at my old school we started the ninth graders off with a unit of Greek mythology.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Aug 2, 2011 11:36:16pm |
re: #279 SanFranciscoZionist
I interviewed for a teaching job at a very Orthodox Jewish school today.
Alarmed the poor man interviewing me when I told him that at my old school we started the ninth graders off with a unit of Greek mythology.
Alarmed by addressing mythology, or how the gods took various guises to get it on with mortal chicks? ;)
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AK-47% Tue, Aug 2, 2011 11:36:41pm |
re: #279 SanFranciscoZionist
Did you feel the Sword of Damocles hanging over your head as you performed the Herculean feat of convincing him that your teaching would fit into any bed of Procrustes that he asked it to occupy?
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Aug 2, 2011 11:39:50pm |
My niece's favorite t-shirt from the trip (she bought four).
[Link: www.cafepress.com...]
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Aug 2, 2011 11:40:54pm |
re: #281 ralphieboy
Did you feel the Sword of Damocles hanging over your head as you performed the Herculean feat of convincing him that your teaching would fit into any bed of Procrustes that he asked it to occupy?
Perhaps trying to find out what sort of Augean Stables he was willing to clean out?
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Aug 2, 2011 11:47:21pm |
G'night all. The evening just caught up to me in a hurry, so I'm off to sleepytime. Take care!
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 2, 2011 11:48:37pm |
re: #279 SanFranciscoZionist
I interviewed for a teaching job at a very Orthodox Jewish school today.
Alarmed the poor man interviewing me when I told him that at my old school we started the ninth graders off with a unit of Greek mythology.
Not the same, but reminds me of when one of my parent's friends graced me with an application for Focus on the Family one summer when I was in college.
They asked for a list of the past 10 books we'd read. First on my list was _Last Temptation of Christ_, which was the truth. Wrong answer for 1989 :/ Didn't get a callback.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Aug 2, 2011 11:49:50pm |
re: #282 oaktree
My niece's favorite t-shirt from the trip (she bought four).
[Link: www.cafepress.com...]
Oy! Pho Ga, please! (I fell in love with Pho over there in 2002 adopting our son. )
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Aug 2, 2011 11:52:36pm |
re: #286 wlewisiii
Oy! Pho Ga, please! (I fell in love with Pho over there in 2002 adopting our son. )
She was a big Pho fan before we went over there. I think she ate Pho for every meal the three days we were in Vietnam. She got the extra shirts so that she and her friends could go to the local pho shop while wearing them.
I guess I will have to start some pages on my experiences with the cuisine out there. Lots of noodles and tropical fruit.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 2, 2011 11:59:01pm |
re: #287 oaktree
I guess I will have to start some pages on my experiences with the cuisine out there. Lots of noodles and tropical fruit.
Yes, please! Sounds good. I'm learning to make somewhat authentic Phở. Or at least authentic-tasting like what you'd get in a restaurant in the states.
It'll take 18 hours, but nobody will complain!
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 3, 2011 12:11:31am |
re: #289 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Need to come up with an instant recipe and call it One, Two, Three...Pho!
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Aug 3, 2011 12:16:58am |
re: #289 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Yes, please! Sounds good. I'm learning to make somewhat authentic Phở. Or at least authentic-tasting like what you'd get in a restaurant in the states.
It'll take 18 hours, but nobody will complain!
Want to impress Malaysians? Eat Durian and say you liked it.
;)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 3, 2011 12:28:25am |
I've discovered an especially funny little bit of Obama Birth Certificate crazy here: [Link: conservativebyte.com...]
starts with a bit about the cops in Quartzsite, Arizona, goes IMMEDIATELY to Obama-is-a-dictator insanity, so great
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 3, 2011 12:46:21am |
re: #292 WindUpBird
It scares me that these people who preach grass-roots democracy have not the slightest idea on the rules governing how to conduct a public hearing, it is all about use of force. "Do not resist the officer!"
These are the same folks who, like the Indiana Supreme Court, insist that we need guns to protect ourselves from illegal entries but forbid us from resisting police officers even if they enter illegally...
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Aug 3, 2011 1:04:12am |
re: #293 ralphieboy
It scares me that these people who preach grass-roots democracy have not the slightest idea on the rules governing how to conduct a public hearing, it is all about use of force. "Do not resist the officer!"
These are the same folks who, like the Indiana Supreme Court, insist that we need guns to protect ourselves from illegal entries but forbid us from resisting police officers even if they enter illegally...
Not to mention the difficulty in recognizing who is barging in when they have just staved your door in with a battering ram and shot your dogs...
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 3, 2011 1:07:05am |
The best thing to do when someone kicky your door in is to just shoot your family and yourself pre-emptively...
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Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 3:26:15am |
What idiots.
Public High School Backed Racist 'Wigger Days,' Student Says in Class Action
MINNEAPOLIS (CN) - Red Wing High School let students hold "Wigger Days" for homecoming - the word stands for "white n*****" - during which white students wore clothes and acted in what "from their perspective, mimicked black culture," a black student says in a federal class action.Quera Pruitt claims the school district's deliberate indifference to the harm she and others suffered from the Wigger Days "was not only immoral ... it was illegal."
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Aug 3, 2011 3:26:34am |
re: #291 oaktree
Want to impress Malaysians? Eat Durian and say you liked it.
;)
How about if I say I pass up the opportunity to eat durian every other week, when I shop at the Asian grocery? :D
Balut, too.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Wed, Aug 3, 2011 3:31:06am |
re: #297 Obdicut
What idiots.
Public High School Backed Racist 'Wigger Days,' Student Says in Class Action
Without us, they have no identity, whatsoever.
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Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 3:45:16am |
And Trump may have new things to worry about, other than Obama's birth certificate:
Condo Buyers Can Sue Trump for Misrepresenting Ties to Project
Investors who bought luxury condos in the Trump Tower Tampa can sue Donald Trump over allegedly misleading claims about his supposed "partnership" in the project, which was exposed as merely an agreement to license his name when Trump sued the actual developer in 2007.
A federal judge in Florida found that Trump and The Trump Organization qualified as either developers or agents, and not just a licensor, of the Trump Tower Tampa, allowing investors to sue them under the Interstate Land Sales Full Disclosure Act.
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Varek Raith Wed, Aug 3, 2011 3:52:49am |
re: #300 Obdicut
And Trump may have new things to worry about, other than Obama's birth certificate:
Condo Buyers Can Sue Trump for Misrepresenting Ties to Project
But!
HE'S AN ECONOMICAL SMARTY HEAD!
:P
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Varek Raith Wed, Aug 3, 2011 3:55:53am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Aug 3, 2011 3:56:04am |
Dzień dobry, mignons.
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RogueOne Wed, Aug 3, 2011 3:56:08am |
Did everyone see the 2nd video about the beating death of the homeless/schizophrenic by the Fullerton police? I guess it happened next to a bus stop and they were all talking about it, on video, with the bus driver:
"They killed him"
This blog is staying on top of the story:
[Link: www.fullertonsfuture.org...]
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Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 3:57:38am |
re: #302 ralphieboy
I want to know why it's not cool for these whitebread kids to dress up as Orthodox Jews, argue points about the Talmud, eat gefilte fish, and shuckel? Why is it black culture they're co-opting?
I guess they do do the whole 'esse' thing and co-opt Hispanic culture too. Must be something about adopting the culture of the people who get shat on the most. I dunno.
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 3, 2011 3:58:21am |
re: #300 Obdicut
I used to work for Gary Walker, an Arizona sports manager and real estate dealer who negotiated the first million-dollar baseball contract for his client Reggie Jackson.
One Million dollars. Remember when that was a big deal?
In any case, he and Reggie remained business partners, and Gary was advertising a housing development in which Reggie owned a stake with billboards portraying Reggie and stating "If you lived here, this guy would be your neighbor!
The point being that Jackson did not live there at all, he just owned some property for tax purposes.
I never followed up on what became of the suit.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 3:58:38am |
I love when they work on the cable/intertube thingy early in the morning. Like when I wake up. At least I got to dump a bunch of crap off my computer.
And morning Honcos.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Aug 3, 2011 3:59:13am |
re: #297 Obdicut
What idiots.
Public High School Backed Racist 'Wigger Days,' Student Says in Class Action
Hahaha!
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 4:01:32am |
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 3, 2011 4:04:13am |
re: #306 Obdicut
I want to know why it's not cool for these whitebread kids to dress up as Orthodox Jews, argue points about the Talmud, eat gefilte fish, and shuckel? Why is it black culture they're co-opting?
The just adopted the Old Testament and then moved on...
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Aug 3, 2011 4:08:50am |
re: #310 Obdicut
What I don't even.
That's so weird.
From Russian, raw googletran:
Kaschenizm - communication style in the forums or in ehokonferentsiyah characterized by provocative, often prosemitskimi, anti-Semitic, nationalist, petty-bourgeois or aggressive psychiatric statements and situational mockery of the interlocutor.[...]
The basic techniques kaschenitov:
provoking discussion of controversial subjects, which is not a topic of the meeting or conference (provoking on Offtopic);
fomenting disputes that do not have a unique solution (AMD vs Intel, Windows vs Linux, etc.) to increase the number of emotional and do not carry messages of meaning (inciting Holy Wars);
provoking resentment and interlocutors flame messages provocatively silly content.
exhibiting an anti-Semite or other person, on the contrary, a Zionist.[...]
To incite flaming and baiting are used phobic attitudes of some participants. For example, bullying can be used for anti-Semitic sentiment (using a grotesque parody of a Jewish accent, using words from the Hebrew, the frequent references to the Torah) and the intransigence of football fans, religious and esoteric fanaticism of fans some of music, performers (for example, the musicians, whose names actively used in the provocation, were Victor Tsoi, Decl, Michael Krug, were also invented as a parody of a musical "style", "puzi-black-metal" and pseudo-religions "puzi-sotonizm").
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Varek Raith Wed, Aug 3, 2011 4:14:48am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 4:16:15am |
CHRIS MATTHEWS, HOST: It’s also important to remember why she was, why she was coming back. She was shot by a violent act, of course a person using a gun, breaking up a political meeting with a gun, bringing one to a political event which we saw a lot of during the Tea Party demonstrations, people carrying firearms to political events. The violent level of the right-wing in this country, not particularly this case but generally where people feel the need to show firearms at political events, I think that’s a bad development in our history to bring guns to political events.
Media bias? Loughner wasn't a TPer, but let's not let that get in the way. Chrissy is a douche.
[Link: www.newsbusters.org...]
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Varek Raith Wed, Aug 3, 2011 4:17:48am |
re: #314 Cannadian Club Akbar
First off - Newsbusters? Lol.
Second off - Laughner's a Paulian. Gold standards and all.
;)
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RogueOne Wed, Aug 3, 2011 4:17:54am |
Inside North Korea
[Link: www.theatlantic.com...]
Though much of what the AP journalists saw was certainly orchestrated, their access was still remarkable. Collected here are some of Guttenfelder's images from the trip that provide a glimpse of North Korea. [37 photos]
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RogueOne Wed, Aug 3, 2011 4:19:40am |
re: #315 Varek Raith
First off - Newsbusters? Lol.
Second off - Laughner's a Paulian. Gold standards and all.
;)
Schizophrenics don't have ideologies, they have delusions.
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Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 4:20:09am |
re: #314 Cannadian Club Akbar
Media bias? Loughner wasn't a TPer, but let's not let that get in the way. Chrissy is a douche.
I think you're missing his main point. For example, Tea Partiers in Arizona are showing up to the redistricting meetings armed and argumentative. While it's probably their right to do so, it's so tone-deaf, so threatening.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 4:22:07am |
re: #318 Obdicut
I think you're missing his main point. For example, Tea Partiers in Arizona are showing up to the redistricting meetings armed and argumentative. While it's probably their right to do so, it's so tone-deaf, so threatening.
I understand that. But one had nothing to do with the other. Chrissy is a biased douche just like the other biased douches we see on TV, which is why I don't watch them.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 4:22:41am |
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RogueOne Wed, Aug 3, 2011 4:24:34am |
Another guy who didn't know Rule #2:
Another politician forced to resign after sending naked pictures to woman he had online relationship with
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
WTF is wrong with guys?
He claims she requested the pictures but was working with an 'avowed political enemy' at the time and that he did not know.
In an email statement, the Cumberland County freeholder apologised to family, friends and constituents but indicated that he thought he was being set up.
He said he's been separated from his wife for about two years.
The pictures appear to show Magazzu standing naked in front of a mirror photographing himself.
Shorter version, Marion Barry defense "bitch set me up!"
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Varek Raith Wed, Aug 3, 2011 4:26:07am |
re: #321 RogueOne
Another guy who didn't know Rule #2:
Another politician forced to resign after sending naked pictures to woman he had online relationship with
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]WTF is wrong with guys?
Shorter version, Marion Barry defense "bitch set me up!"
Some people just don't understand how the Intertoobz works. Politicians should be advised to stay clear.
Lol.
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Varek Raith Wed, Aug 3, 2011 4:27:40am |
"What happens in Washington stays on Youtube."
-Jeff Dunham/Walter
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Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 4:27:53am |
re: #322 Varek Raith
We're such prudes, too. I could care less about politicians wing-wangs, or whether they like the gimp mask. I don't get why other people think it's important.
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Varek Raith Wed, Aug 3, 2011 4:28:21am |
re: #324 Obdicut
We're such prudes, too. I could care less about politicians wing-wangs, or whether they like the gimp mask. I don't get why other people think it's important.
You said "wing wang"!
Other than that, I agree.
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RogueOne Wed, Aug 3, 2011 4:30:34am |
re: #324 Obdicut
We're such prudes, too. I could care less about politicians wing-wangs, or whether they like the gimp mask. I don't get why other people think it's important.
I think it shows a startling lack of judgement. You've worked so hard to get elected, kissed a billion babies, raised a ton of money every other year to stay in office and then blow it by sending nudes of your fat naked body to someone you met online. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 4:31:37am |
re: #326 RogueOne
I think it shows a startling lack of judgement. You've worked so hard to get elected, kissed a billion babies, raised a ton of money every other year to stay in office and then blow it by sending nudes of your fat naked body to someone you met online. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
That reminds me, you got mail.
///
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Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 4:36:39am |
re: #326 RogueOne
I think it shows a startling lack of judgement. You've worked so hard to get elected, kissed a billion babies, raised a ton of money every other year to stay in office and then blow it by sending nudes of your fat naked body to someone you met online. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
I'm sorry, I still don't give a shit. There's plenty of people I know who are excellent at their jobs and make stupid decisions in their personal life.
Instead of trying to get monk-like supermen who perfect teeth elected to office, I'd really rather we elected people who were actually good at governance. We put this bizarre emphasis on moral character, which is the hardest thing in the world to accurately determine.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 4:36:44am |
Johnson was found passed out behind the wheel of his green 2002 Chevrolet Cavalier in the McDonald's drive-thru lane. The vehicle's engine was running.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
Ah, to be 18 again....
///
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Aug 3, 2011 4:39:04am |
l1e9e6e1?
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RogueOne Wed, Aug 3, 2011 4:41:30am |
Oops:
More SCGOP “Cop Killer” Fun
[Link: www.fitsnews.com...]
For the second time in as many weeks, the S.C. Republican Party is dealing with a Facebook scandal involving its members endorsing violence against local law enforcement officers.
In case you missed last week’s fun, county GOP leaders Jeff Mattox and Cory Norris were rebuked for “liking” an article on the social media site that outlined circumstances under which it was ostensibly permissible to “shoot a cop.”That story was broken by Ben Smith of The Politico.
SCGOP executive director Matt Moore called the comments “despicable” and urged the two men to resign their posts. In fact, over the weekend the Kershaw County Republican Party eliminated Mattox’s position from its organizational structure – effectively firing him.
Just days after the fiasco erupted, though, Norris was at it again … “liking” a post submitted by another South Carolina Republican that recommended the same thing
Maybe he was "liking" the video and not the suggestion of shooting a cop, I hope. Every time some asshole shoots a cop serving a warrant it gives the police another excuse to escalate what should be a non-violent confrontation.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 3, 2011 4:46:26am |
re: #324 Obdicut
We're such prudes, too. I could care less about politicians wing-wangs, or whether they like the gimp mask. I don't get why other people think it's important.
I tried the gimp mask thing for a while, I found it somewhat lacking
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RogueOne Wed, Aug 3, 2011 4:48:40am |
re: #333 WindUpBird
I tried the gimp mask thing for a while, I found it somewhat lacking
I thought you were going this direction with the "gimp" mask:
Kinky College Boss In Search Of Female Slave
[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]
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Varek Raith Wed, Aug 3, 2011 4:51:27am |
Oh, man.
Fox and Friends is pure comedy gold.
Lol.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Aug 3, 2011 4:54:39am |
Russian Wahhabi terrorist Viktor Dvorakovskij:
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 4:54:55am |
I'll take a large coffee, coconut doughnut and a blow job, please.
[Link: newyork.cbslocal.com...]
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 4:55:10am |
re: #59 ggt
If I don't go out and get 1/2 and 1/2 now, will I hate myself in the morning?
The answer is yes.
How are you-all?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 4:56:57am |
re: #337 Sergey Romanov
Russian Wahhabi terrorist Viktor Dvorakovskij:
So, I was reading about Jihadi Gaze in the Pages (Curious Lurker via Slumbering Behemoth)
Does Michelle Bachman qualify?
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Varek Raith Wed, Aug 3, 2011 4:58:04am |
re: #339 ggt
The answer is yes.
How are you-all?
No coffee and no half and half make Varek something something.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 5:01:15am |
re: #334 RogueOne
I thought you were going this direction with the "gimp" mask:
Kinky College Boss In Search Of Female Slave
[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]
bwhahahahahahaha
| 343 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 5:03:44am |
re: #330 Cannadian Club Akbar
Johnson was found passed out behind the wheel of his green 2002 Chevrolet Cavalier in the McDonald's drive-thru lane. The vehicle's engine was running.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]Ah, to be 18 again...
///
Honestly, this is the part of police work that would drive me bat-shit.
| 344 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 5:04:50am |
In an emailed statement, Cumberland County freeholder Louis Magazzu apologized to his friends, family and constituents but indicated that he thought he was being set up.
The 53-year-old Democratic lawyer, who'd been an elected county official since 1997, said he sent the photos to a woman with whom he corresponded online for several years and that she requested the photos. At least two of the photos revealed his crotch, two photos showed him fully dressed in a suit and a fifth showed him from the waist up, shirtless.
Yes. You were set up. "But, but, but, I didn't know I was stoopid!!"
Heh.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 5:05:31am |
re: #341 Varek Raith
No coffee and no half and half make Varek something something.
[Video]
Well, I have milk . ..
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 3, 2011 5:06:05am |
re: #344 Cannadian Club Akbar
In an emailed statement, Cumberland County freeholder Louis Magazzu apologized to his friends, family and constituents but indicated that he thought he was being set up.
The 53-year-old Democratic lawyer, who'd been an elected county official since 1997, said he sent the photos to a woman with whom he corresponded online for several years and that she requested the photos. At least two of the photos revealed his crotch, two photos showed him fully dressed in a suit and a fifth showed him from the waist up, shirtless.
Yes. You were set up. "But, but, but, I didn't know I was stoopid!!"
Heh.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
She requested the photos so he sent them? Would he jump of a bridge if she asked? STOOPID, yes indeed.
| 347 |
Varek Raith Wed, Aug 3, 2011 5:06:30am |
| 348 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 5:06:50am |
| 349 |
Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 5:07:03am |
Judges? Law? Who needs 'em?
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]
Basically, we're losing federal judges twice as fast as we're replacing them, thanks to the GOP holding up confirmation hearings-- usually for no damn reason whatsoever.
Such a bunch of goddamn babies.
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Varek Raith Wed, Aug 3, 2011 5:07:21am |
re: #346 reine.de.tout
She requested the photos so he sent them? Would he jump of a bridge if she asked? STOOPID, yes indeed.
I think some Nigerian Prince owns said bridge.
| 351 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 5:08:29am |
re: #344 Cannadian Club Akbar
In an emailed statement, Cumberland County freeholder Louis Magazzu apologized to his friends, family and constituents but indicated that he thought he was being set up.
The 53-year-old Democratic lawyer, who'd been an elected county official since 1997, said he sent the photos to a woman with whom he corresponded online for several years and that she requested the photos. At least two of the photos revealed his crotch, two photos showed him fully dressed in a suit and a fifth showed him from the waist up, shirtless.
Yes. You were set up. "But, but, but, I didn't know I was stoopid!!"
Heh.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
Strange Term: freeholder.
In this case, even stranger.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 5:09:58am |
re: #347 Varek Raith
BLASPHEMY!!!
HERETIC!!!
WITCH!!!
/
mostly just LAZY.
Am going to have to get off my butt soon. Only one cig left too!
I'll get a good cuppa at the gas station--at this time of the day they have about 8 pots freshly brewed and real 1/2 & 1/2 on tap.
| 354 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 5:10:50am |
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kirkspencer Wed, Aug 3, 2011 5:11:21am |
re: #329 Obdicut
I'm sorry, I still don't give a shit. There's plenty of people I know who are excellent at their jobs and make stupid decisions in their personal life.
Instead of trying to get monk-like supermen who perfect teeth elected to office, I'd really rather we elected people who were actually good at governance. We put this bizarre emphasis on moral character, which is the hardest thing in the world to accurately determine.
It's not bizarre. The reason we have an emphasis on moral character is that we are giving these people a great deal of power, both explicit and implicit, over us. We'd like to know, or at least strongly believe, that they won't use that power to do harm; won't abuse the trust.
As you said it's hard to measure. Therefore we use proxies.
Now, I agree that the prudishness of the nation is too high, and that in turn makes displays like this excessively powerful. (No, he shouldn't have been forced to resign over this. Private message between consenting adults without violation of implied promises not to do this -- marriage being the main example. Very different from Wanker.)
But the reason for the emphasis still exists.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 5:13:32am |
Check my portfolio: check
Check weather: check
Read local news: check
Sports scores: check
Email pics of my junk: check
Wait, did I hit the "enter" button? It's OK, I'll just delete it.
/
| 358 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 5:13:51am |
I think politician's behavior give us more than enough reason to advocate free contraception.
| 359 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 5:15:09am |
It's pouring down rain AND the sun's out!! Ah, Florida...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 5:17:54am |
re: #318 Obdicut
I think you're missing his main point. For example, Tea Partiers in Arizona are showing up to the redistricting meetings armed and argumentative. While it's probably their right to do so, it's so tone-deaf, so threatening.
It is their right, in Arizona anyway.
tone-deaf --maybe
immature --definitely.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Aug 3, 2011 5:19:13am |
Morning Lizardim. The pre-thunderstorm-induced heat wave has broken now that the rain has passed, which makes my yard happy, to be certain. Also makes it easier to drive home without air conditioning. How is everyone on this fine cloudless Wednesday morning?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 5:21:56am |
re: #309 Sergey Romanov
Hahaha!
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
one, as usual, most white kids are behind on the trends --it is now, skinny jeans with underwear showing.
second, I don't think I could pronounce that if I practiced for a week. (that, that, that)
| 363 |
Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 5:23:51am |
re: #355 kirkspencer
But we seem to ignore what they actually do with that power in favor of the proxies. It's bizarre. Bobby Jindal is attempting to steal the money from state workers, literally just selling off their health insurance fund that they paid for, and yet it's very unlikely he'd be forced to resign over that.
But if he emailed his wang to someone, he'd have to resign.
It's not just that we use proxies. It's that we use them in place of the real thing that baffles me.
| 364 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 5:24:41am |
My radio just said that the hair salon where Sarah Palin got her "up" do done is getting their own reality show. I think I need some rope.
| 365 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 5:27:31am |
Is there a statute of limitations on c-sections?
| 366 |
Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 5:28:53am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 5:30:31am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 5:32:58am |
re: #367 ggt
When I went 5 weeks without smoking my weekly grocery bill went from $50 to $140. I even posted that fact here.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 5:37:48am |
re: #368 Cannadian Club Akbar
When I went 5 weeks without smoking my weekly grocery bill went from $50 to $140. I even posted that fact here.
The need for vice just doesn't go away.
Take one away and people will replace it with something.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 5:39:59am |
re: #369 ggt
The need for vice just doesn't go away.
Take one away and people will replace it with something.
I think with the stop smoking thing, you stop killing your taste buds so things taste better.
| 372 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 5:47:00am |
Holy fucking shit!!!!
[Link: www.dailytelegraph.com.au...]
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Aug 3, 2011 5:47:43am |
[...]But the ruling said that just headlines could be covered by copyright, and thus Meltwater infringed by simply showing headlines and links. I didn't write about it at the time, on the assumption that this was just a clueless ruling that would hopefully be overturned on appeal... but no such luck. The Appeals Court has allowed the lower court ruling to stand, meaning that anyone doing news aggregation in the UK may have to start paying newspapers for the "privilege" of linking to them.
And thus, the Internet dies a quick and painful death. I guess I'd better pay up for linking and quoting from the above article.
| 374 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 5:49:34am |
re: #372 Cannadian Club Akbar
Holy fucking shit!!!
[Link: www.dailytelegraph.com.au...]
Already posted in the pages. Just found the twitter feed. Heh.
| 375 |
kirkspencer Wed, Aug 3, 2011 5:51:47am |
re: #363 Obdicut
But we seem to ignore what they actually do with that power in favor of the proxies. It's bizarre. Bobby Jindal is attempting to steal the money from state workers, literally just selling off their health insurance fund that they paid for, and yet it's very unlikely he'd be forced to resign over that.
But if he emailed his wang to someone, he'd have to resign.
It's not just that we use proxies. It's that we use them in place of the real thing that baffles me.
Fair point.
I think part of it is "easy to understand". Sure, I can simplify it to Bobby Jindal is attempting to steal the money, but the reality is that he isn't. He's going to have a business do what a government agency was doing, and to let it do the job it's going to get control of the assets as well as the duties. In the process he's going to turn a government surplus agency over to a company that will almost instantly pass those as profits to various stockholders. Now, you and I can simplify that as "theft". But it isn't, really, and it falls into the "business > government" meme, and that means the explanation gets muddy.
Another part is that when so many of our original colonists came to escape religious persecution they weren't seeking religious freedom. They were wanting to emphasize THEIR interpretation. In some cases they were leaving because the tolerant areas weren't allowing them to be intolerant, in others it was because the intolerance wasn't their flavor of intolerance, but with the exception of Penn and his group the desire was NOT to be more tolerant.
Our founders were prudes and christofascists. The only reason we got a reputation for tolerance is that when push came to shove the groups decided it was better to prevent others from taking charge than to let them have it if/when they became the majority.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 3, 2011 5:55:27am |
re: #362 ggt
one, as usual, most white kids are behind on the trends --it is now, skinny jeans with underwear showing.
second, I don't think I could pronounce that if I practiced for a week. (that, that, that)
LOL. Underwear looks really ridiculous, even on the rich and famous.
| 378 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Aug 3, 2011 5:56:36am |
Bad news continues to come from Hungary: Hungary to introduce Forced Labor, Labor Camps
| 379 |
reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:01:18am |
re: #375 kirkspencer
Fair point.
I think part of it is "easy to understand". Sure, I can simplify it to Bobby Jindal is attempting to steal the money, but the reality is that he isn't. He's going to have a business do what a government agency was doing, and to let it do the job it's going to get control of the assets as well as the duties. In the process he's going to turn a government surplus agency over to a company that will almost instantly pass those as profits to various stockholders. Now, you and I can simplify that as "theft". But it isn't, really, and it falls into the "business > government" meme, and that means the explanation gets muddy.
Another part is that when so many of our original colonists came to escape religious persecution they weren't seeking religious freedom. They were wanting to emphasize THEIR interpretation. In some cases they were leaving because the tolerant areas weren't allowing them to be intolerant, in others it was because the intolerance wasn't their flavor of intolerance, but with the exception of Penn and his group the desire was NOT to be more tolerant.
Our founders were prudes and christofascists. The only reason we got a reputation for tolerance is that when push came to shove the groups decided it was better to prevent others from taking charge than to let them have it if/when they became the majority.
Re: the agency in question.
It operates with an administrative cost of about 3%. Vs. an administrative cost of 6% to 7% that the private company would need.
The surplus funds he is trying to sell were collected from employee PREMIUMS. So yes, it is OUR money, and the sale of it is indeed theft, especially when you consider the agency is keeping it as a cushion for us against future rate increases and increased costs, whereas the private company would, I'm sure, distribute that excess to executives as "bonuses".
It is NOT a surplus agency, it is one that is running very very well, and providing the service it was established to provide, and doing it well and doing it at low cost.
That insurance is partially privatized - in other words, the agency does not administer the claims, but has several contracts where it uses an insurance company's provider list and pays that company a small fee to process claims and administer the plans. It works very well.
State employée insurance was privatized once before, and it was such a burden on employees with ever-rising cost, etc., the state created this agency to oversee employee insurance benefits, and it's working.
A private report commissioned by Jindal even shows that his selling of this function WILL NOT SAVE MONEY, but will in the long run, cost more.
So yes, as far as I'm concerned, he's stealing our money - the money already accrued, as well as future money we will pay to the private company vs. the state agency.
Rant off.
| 380 |
Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:02:10am |
re: #372 Cannadian Club Akbar
Holy fucking shit!!!
[Link: www.dailytelegraph.com.au...]
Is this one of those "necklace" bombs? Previous incidents have not gone well. Remember the pizza delivery guy?
| 381 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:05:45am |
#$%# #$%#$%ing copyright thugs.
| 382 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:06:29am |
| 383 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:06:30am |
WHAT are so many god-fearing people doing on the the road this time of morning? Should everyone who is going to work already be at work?
Gas station out of 1/2 and 1/2. But I did get a ginormus cuppa. They had 1/2 and 1/2 in the coffee dispensary.
| 384 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:07:46am |
| 385 |
Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:10:48am |
re: #375 kirkspencer
Our founders were prudes and christofascists.
I think you're mixing up the Puritans with the founders.
| 386 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:12:15am |
| 387 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:15:22am |
re: #378 000G
Bad news continues to come from Hungary: Hungary to introduce Forced Labor, Labor Camps
Help me out with this, I haven't been following news in Hungary and it's still morning.
So, if you go on the dole in Hungary for more than x-weeks, they will put you to work at a location of their choosing?
| 388 |
reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:15:37am |
Damn. I noticed last night my computer (iMac) felt very very hot, and so I turned it off for the night. It seems to be OK now, but I don't know why it got so hot last night. Does this mean something, like - it's about to fizzle out on me? Should I take it in?
| 389 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:16:33am |
re: #388 reine.de.tout
Damn. I noticed last night my computer (iMac) felt very very hot, and so I turned it off for the night. It seems to be OK now, but I don't know why it got so hot last night. Does this mean something, like - it's about to fizzle out on me? Should I take it in?
I have one of those fan bases for my laptop.
I don't think the iMac is supposed to get hot --is it aluminum?
| 390 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:17:09am |
re: #388 reine.de.tout
Damn. I noticed last night my computer (iMac) felt very very hot, and so I turned it off for the night. It seems to be OK now, but I don't know why it got so hot last night. Does this mean something, like - it's about to fizzle out on me? Should I take it in?
It might be dusty; there are presumably vents somewhere on the machine, blowing these out with a can of compressed air would probably do the trick. If it continues to get hot after that, then the dust is probably clogging an internal fan and you should have it taken in to get cleaned. (Or get a geek friend to do it for you.)
| 391 |
reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:17:34am |
re: #389 ggt
I have one of those fan bases for my laptop.
I don't think the iMac is supposed to get hot --is it aluminum?
Yes, the back seems to be aluminum. I had never noticed that before.
argh.
| 392 |
RadicalModerate Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:18:00am |
Sarah Palin, after a few days out of the limelight has decided to poke her head above ground again and derp like there's no tomorrow:
Banner 24-point Headline on FoxNation (with a huge pic of Sarah's mug).
| 393 |
Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:18:12am |
re: #388 reine.de.tout
Could be a failing fan. If it were a PC, I'd know some utilities that help you check it.
If you google around for fan controls for the imac, you may find something helpful. Or someone else here may know better than I.
A baseplate is probably a good stopgap.
| 394 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:23:24am |
re: #391 reine.de.tout
Yes, the back seems to be aluminum. I had never noticed that before.
argh.
Battery may be going bad and overheating. Easy to replace.
Apple product. The battery's only $8,699.00 (with turn-in of your old one).
| 395 |
Varek Raith Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:23:59am |
re: #392 RadicalModerate
Sarah Palin, after a few days out of the limelight has decided to poke her head above ground again and derp like there's no tomorrow:
Banner 24-point Headline on FoxNation (with a huge pic of Sarah's mug).
Lol.
Well Sarah, using your logic, he would pal around with terrorists.
You said so yourself. Remember???
;)
DERP.
| 396 |
RadicalModerate Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:24:58am |
8:00 AM.
*checks outside temperature* ... 90 Degrees.
Today is gonna suck.
| 397 |
Varek Raith Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:25:26am |
re: #396 RadicalModerate
8:00 AM.
*checks outside temperature* ... 90 Degrees.
Today is gonna suck.
It's gonna rain off and on all day here.
Thank you Rick Perry!
| 398 |
kirkspencer Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:25:46am |
re: #394 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Battery may be going bad and overheating. Easy to replace.
Apple product. The battery's only $8,699.00 (with turn-in of your old one).
Oh, good, it's apple v nonapple battle time.
Quite seriously, some of the best computers I've had have been apples. At the same time, both the two worst computers I ever had were apples. It reminded me of the cliche about West Point officers; always exceptional, whether good or bad.
| 399 |
Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:25:48am |
re: #388 reine.de.tout
Poor airflow I would think. Fan or clogged vents maybe?
| 400 |
Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:26:58am |
I found this guy on youtube. Built a 27 string guitar and plays it like the masters we see at Candyrat dot com.
Might make for a nice morning.
| 401 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:27:04am |
| 402 |
Varek Raith Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:27:04am |
re: #398 kirkspencer
Oh, good, it's apple v nonapple battle time.
Quite seriously, some of the best computers I've had have been apples. At the same time, both the two worst computers I ever had were apples. It reminded me of the cliche about West Point officers; always exceptional, whether good or bad.
Off to the Apple approved re-education camps with you.
| 403 |
RadicalModerate Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:27:41am |
re: #395 Varek Raith
Lol.
Well Sarah, using your logic, he would pal around with terrorists.
You said so yourself. Remember???
;)
DERP.
Someone needs to remind Sarah how Obama deals with terrorists.
Examples: Somali pirates, Osama Bin Laden.
| 404 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:27:45am |
re: #398 kirkspencer
Nah. I just bitch because I am not nearly cool enough for Apple products and am jealous.
| 405 |
reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:28:04am |
re: #393 Obdicut
Could be a failing fan. If it were a PC, I'd know some utilities that help you check it.
If you google around for fan controls for the imac, you may find something helpful. Or someone else here may know better than I.
A baseplate is probably a good stopgap.
Yeah, I googled for iMac overheating and found several things. There appears to be something I can install to regulate the fan myself. thanks.
| 406 |
reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:28:28am |
re: #399 Rightwingconspirator
Poor airflow I would think. Fan or clogged vents maybe?
Could be. I'll clean everything really good and see what happens.
thanks.
| 407 |
Varek Raith Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:30:24am |
re: #400 Rightwingconspirator
I found this guy on youtube. Built a 27 string guitar and plays it like the masters we see at Candyrat dot com.
Might make for a nice morning.
Well shit.
No need for any more guitarists, we have the bestest one.
:)
| 408 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:31:24am |
re: #400 Rightwingconspirator
I found this guy on youtube. Built a 27 string guitar and plays it like the masters we see at Candyrat dot com.
Might make for a nice morning.
funky guitar, I don't remember seeing such a thing before
| 409 |
lawhawk Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:32:13am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Looks like the work action by the concrete union is having a spillover effect; carpenters unions are walking out at Ground Zero and several other sites in solidarity.
This is all occurring despite project labor agreements that prohibit such work actions; and this will end badly for the unions in court.
But at the same time, the kind of demands developers are making of the unions are unreasonable - demanding 20% salary cuts is excessive.
It also means higher construction tabs for work at Ground Zero yet to be completed because the delays will start piling up.
| 410 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:33:04am |
re: #409 lawhawk
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Looks like the work action by the concrete union is having a spillover effect; carpenters unions are walking out at Ground Zero and several other sites in solidarity.
This is all occurring despite project labor agreements that prohibit such work actions; and this will end badly for the unions in court.
But at the same time, the kind of demands developers are making of the unions are unreasonable - demanding 20% salary cuts is excessive.
It also means higher construction tabs for work at Ground Zero yet to be completed because the delays will start piling up.
It's been 10 years--and we still don' t have Ground Zero finished?
Sad.
| 412 |
lawhawk Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:38:23am |
re: #410 ggt
It took 21 years from the Pearl Harbor attacks until a memorial was dedicated at the USS Arizona (1941 to 1962).
The memorial should be ready for visitors on 9/11/11 - 10 years after the attacks. Not nearly fast enough, but still better than seeing a hole in the ground.
The skyscrapers are being built after ongoing delays for years (and those delays added still more cost to the projects), and barring lengthy work stoppages should see completion in 2013-2014.
| 413 |
darthstar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:39:48am |
re: #410 ggt
It's been 10 years--and we still don' t have Ground Zero finished?
Sad.
That's because we used it as a political football for the first five years, instead of just rebuilding the towers in a fit of 'Fuck you, terrorists' national pride.
| 414 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:39:59am |
re: #412 lawhawk
It took 21 years from the Pearl Harbor attacks until a memorial was dedicated at the USS Arizona (1941 to 1962).
The memorial should be ready for visitors on 9/11/11 - 10 years after the attacks. Not nearly fast enough, but still better than seeing a hole in the ground.
The skyscrapers are being built after ongoing delays for years (and those delays added still more cost to the projects), and barring lengthy work stoppages should see completion in 2013-2014.
I know, it just seems that in our faster and better world, it should be a lot closer to being done.
| 415 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:42:14am |
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:43:01am |
re: #413 darthstar
That's because we used it as a political football for the first five years, instead of just rebuilding the towers in a fit of 'Fuck you, terrorists' national pride.
The towers should have been built 'as they were, where they were" modified only to make them the world's tallest buildings once more. If they had to sit empty, that would have been alright. We suck at symbolic warfare.
| 417 |
darthstar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:43:37am |
re: #415 Sergey Romanov
Scourge, sludge, now phlegm.
What r u, a Toxic Avenger?/
Nah...I just like to greet everyone with a warm & fuzzy salutation each day.
| 418 |
Varek Raith Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:44:16am |
re: #417 darthstar
Nah...I just like to greet everyone with a warm & fuzzy salutation each day.
| 419 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:44:31am |
re: #417 darthstar
Nah...I just like to greet everyone with a warm &
fuzzyslimy salutation each day.
ftfy
| 420 |
lawhawk Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:45:35am |
re: #413 darthstar
Yeah... you had the PANY-NJ come up with several bland plans that were widely panned by the public, so they opened up a competition, and the finalists included several starchitects, but they picked Libeskind's vision, which I though paled in comparison to the Norman Foster plan.
So it is not without a sense of irony that eventually Libeskind's actual skyscraper designs got jettisoned and several starchitects were brought in to design the skyscrapers that would be arranged according to Libeskind's master plan. Among them was none other than Norman Foster (2 WTC), Maki (4 WTC), and David Childs (who designed the Freedom Tower/1WTC).
They brought in Santiago Calatrava to design the transit hub, and a design competition resulted in Michael Arad being chosen to design the memorial.
Each of those steps wasn't without their own controversies, and delays (heck, the design of the Freedom Tower was changed after Libeskind was jettisoned in favor of Childs) to the point that the cornerstone was laid and then removed.
I'm glad that they've finally gotten to construction and soon sections will be completed.
And if I had some time, I'd probably take all my coverage and write a book about it.
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:46:23am |
re: #333 WindUpBird
I only find it relevant if they try to portray themselves as defenders/paragons of public morality. Then is shows severe hypocrisy, which I find a much more severe moral traint than promiscuity.
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darthstar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:47:57am |
re: #416 Decatur Deb
The towers should have been built 'as they were, where they were" modified only to make them the world's tallest buildings once more. If they had to sit empty, that would have been alright. We suck at symbolic warfare.
Exactly...and the only other change we would have had to make would have been to change their addresses to be 11 and 175 WTC.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:48:05am |
re: #421 ralphieboy
I only find it relevant if they try to portray themselves as defenders/paragons of public morality. Then is shows severe hypocrisy, which I find a much more severe moral traint than promiscuity.
All the more reason we don't need government involved in dictating personal moral decisions.
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:48:05am |
re: #411 darthstar
Mornin' pond scum. No wait, lower actually. You're like the fungus that feeds on pond scum. Wait... we can go lower. You're the pus that infects the mucus that cruds up the fungus that feeds on the pond scum. /
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:48:58am |
re: #424 lawhawk
Mornin' pond scum. No wait, lower actually. You're like the fungus that feeds on pond scum. Wait... we can go lower. You're the pus that infects the mucus that cruds up the fungus that feeds on the pond scum. /
Keep digging. China is thataway.
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darthstar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:49:19am |
re: #419 ggt
ftfy
Not true...I said "mornin' princesses" just the other day...and princesses aren't slimy.
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darthstar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:49:43am |
oh, crap...10 to 7...I gotta run...literally. Early day today. bbl
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:49:54am |
re: #426 darthstar
Not true...I said "mornin' princesses" just the other day...and princesses aren't slimy.
phlegm is slimy, not fuzzy.
just sayin' . . .
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:50:06am |
It's 89 degrees already--got to walk the dog or forget it. BB in a few.
| 430 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:51:05am |
I sorted the laundry and brought one basket to the laundry room. Then I got down on the floor and picked-up some shredding the puppy accomplished sometime in the night.
My work is done for today.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:51:24am |
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:51:42am |
Off to work for me too. BTW gold touched $1670 just a bit ago. Methinks the speculators that went short Friday are playing hardball.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:52:18am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:52:41am |
re: #432 Rightwingconspirator
Off to work for me too. BTW gold touched $1670 just a bit ago. Methinks the speculators that went short Friday are playing hardball.
Macy's is having a jewery sale, should I go?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:52:49am |
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iossarian Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:52:58am |
Here's something that should give those living in gated communities pause:
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:53:42am |
re: #387 ggt
Help me out with this, I haven't been following news in Hungary and it's still morning.
So, if you go on the dole in Hungary for more than x-weeks, they will put you to work at a location of their choosing?
And if you complain about it in the wrong tone of voice, they have media laws to muzzle you. It is going the way of Byelarus.
There President Lukaschenko banned even "silent" deomonstrations where people meet on street corners and just applaud without speaking.
So they planned a demonstration on July 3rd, which is the Byelorussian National Holiday, at the big parade in Minsk.
Lukaschenkos supporters found themselves in a quandry, if they clapped, they would be in violation of existing law, so they remained silent or departed, leaving Lukaschenko in his gaudy marshall's uniform to stand on the balcony to the sound of tumbleweeds blowing by...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:54:09am |
2 mile walk. 99% humidity. Ahhhh...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:55:39am |
re: #437 ralphieboy
And if you complain about it in the wrong tone of voice, they have media laws to muzzle you. It is going the way of Byelarus.
There President Lukaschenko banned even "silent" deomonstrations where people meet on street corners and just applaud without speaking.
So they planned a demonstration on July 3rd, which is the Byelorussian National Holiday, at the big parade in Minsk.
Lukaschenkos supporters found themselves in a quandry, if they clapped, they would be in violation of existing law, so they remained silent or departed, leaving Lukaschenko in his gaudy marshall's uniform to stand on the balcony to the sound of tumbleweeds blowing by...
geez
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:55:47am |
re: #414 ggt
I know, it just seems that in our faster and better world, it should be a lot closer to being done.
The best memorial would be a resonable bill to reimburse medical costs for 9/11 helpers...
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:55:54am |
Assad continues operating pursuant to the Hama Rules V.2.0. The opposition protesters in that city are getting hammered hard by artillery and ground assaults.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:57:25am |
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:57:29am |
re: #440 ralphieboy
The Zadroga bill was a reasonable bill - but the experts in charge of the fund have found no direct link between cancers and exposure at Ground Zero at this time to provide that coverage. Other doctors disagree - so the workers are out of luck for the moment. The Fund will reevaluate the situation every few months.
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iossarian Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:58:12am |
re: #440 ralphieboy
The best memorial would be a resonable bill to reimburse medical costs for 9/11 helpers...
Then the socialists win.
The best memorial would be to remove all vestiges of working and middle-class security from the USA.
GO GOP!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 6:59:59am |
re: #444 iossarian
Then the socialists win.
The best memorial would be to remove all vestiges of working and middle-class security from the USA.
GO GOP!
Jokes on you. I'm neither!!!
///
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:00:10am |
Personally, I think we should build the tallest most advanced building on the planet and house it with every known example of capitalism and western decadence known to man.
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Varek Raith Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:02:42am |
re: #446 ggt
Personally, I think we should build the tallest most advanced building on the planet and house it with every known example of capitalism and western decadence known to man.
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Varek Raith Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:04:38am |
My dad doesn't like heights.
Naturally, this scared the crap out of him.
Image: photo-taken-from-burj-khalifa.jpg
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:05:35am |
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:06:29am |
re: #447 Varek Raith
The Saudis are planning a 1000m building, that would be significantly taller than the Burj Khalifa. Built by the Bin Laden group (not without a bit of irony there).
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:06:42am |
re: #448 Varek Raith
My dad doesn't like heights.
Naturally, this scared the crap out of him.
Image: photo-taken-from-burj-khalifa.jpg
Way cool. Just tell you dad the clouds are a soft floor.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:08:29am |
re: #448 Varek Raith
My dad doesn't like heights.
Naturally, this scared the crap out of him.
Image: photo-taken-from-burj-khalifa.jpg
Then he should definitely not stand on the glass floor of the CN Tower in Toronto.
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iossarian Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:08:34am |
Genius comment attached to a Guardian article by a guy complaining that CPAC doesn't want anything to do with him because he's gay:
You're a supporter of a party that openly discriminates against you. I wouldn't vote for you on the grounds that you're evidently not too bright.
Full article:
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
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Varek Raith Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:09:24am |
re: #452 ggt
Then he should definitely not stand on the glass floor of the CN Tower in Toronto.
Instant vertigo just seeing that!
Yikes!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:09:51am |
Cher should have a Club in the New Towers. And maybe Ozzy Osbourne.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:10:10am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:11:32am |
re: #452 ggt
Then he should definitely not stand on the glass floor of the CN Tower in Toronto.
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Varek Raith Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:11:40am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:12:33am |
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Varek Raith Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:13:59am |
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:14:31am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:14:32am |
re: #461 Varek Raith
You couldn't pay me to stand on that thing.
Nope.
Couple of drinks. You'll be fine.
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:15:13am |
re: #452 ggt
Heh. I did that when we were up in Toronto earlier this year. Kids have no fear - they were lying down and mugging for cameras.
They've got similar features at the Willis (Sears Tower).
But the CN tower has a new attraction - you can now go above the observation deck and walk on a gantry - with nothing but a safety line holding you to the building.
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RogueOne Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:15:42am |
I'm back. I'm at a stop until I get my steel delivery. Checking out what the connection is like tethered to my phone. The wi-fi around town blows, can't send emails, slow connection speed, etc....
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:16:00am |
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Varek Raith Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:16:04am |
re: #464 lawhawk
Heh. I did that when we were up in Toronto earlier this year. Kids have no fear - they were lying down and mugging for cameras.
They've got similar features at the Willis (Sears Tower).
But the CN tower has a new attraction - you can now go above the observation deck and walk on a gantry - with nothing but a safety line holding you to the building.
No.
No.
No.
No.
No.
No.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:16:06am |
re: #461 Varek Raith
You couldn't pay me to stand on that thing.
Nope.
When I was in Vegas for a family trip, my dad took us down to the Hoover Dam. Being a civil engineer, he was absolutely fascinated by it. I couldn't get anywhere near the front face of the dam, no matter how hard he tried.
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:16:16am |
re: #444 iossarian
Then the socialists win.
The best memorial would be to remove all vestiges of working and middle-class security from the USA.
GO GOP!
It's called ridding America of collectivist groupthink and restoring individual initiative.
Like the right of individuals to negotiate labor and insurance contracts with multinational corporations...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:16:28am |
re: #464 lawhawk
Heh. I did that when we were up in Toronto earlier this year. Kids have no fear - they were lying down and mugging for cameras.
They've got similar features at the Willis (Sears Tower).
But the CN tower has a new attraction - you can now go above the observation deck and walk on a gantry - with nothing but a safety line holding you to the building.
kewl!
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Varek Raith Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:18:19am |
re: #470 ggt
kewl!
It's one thing to be inside a tall building. (I've been near the top of the WTC when I was a kid) But to be outside it?!?!
Crazy.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:18:32am |
Times News
TimesNewsdesk Times News
Girl who had bomb attached to her in extortion bid in Sydney has been freed. More details soon. #mosman
3 minutes ago
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:18:54am |
re: #472 Cannadian Club Akbar
Hooray!
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:18:55am |
re: #467 Varek Raith
The Stratosphere Tower in Vegas has a bunch of attractions that have you sliding out beyond the tower deck. They even have a sky-jump feature that borders on the insane.
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Varek Raith Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:19:02am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:19:06am |
re: #471 Varek Raith
It's one thing to be inside a tall building. (I've been near the top of the WTC when I was a kid) But to be outside it?!?!
Crazy.
face your fear
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:19:22am |
re: #471 Varek Raith
It's one thing to be inside a tall building. (I've been near the top of the WTC when I was a kid) But to be outside it?!?!
Crazy.
I've been to floor 102 of the Empire State building. Inside.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:19:36am |
re: #476 ggt
Yeah, I was all like "it's the saw".
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:19:56am |
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Varek Raith Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:20:14am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:20:35am |
re: #474 lawhawk
The Stratosphere Tower in Vegas has a bunch of attractions that have you sliding out beyond the tower deck. They even have a sky-jump feature that borders on the insane.
[Video]
Woah, would my knees and spine survive or would I be in Physical Therapy for 6 months?
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:22:38am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:22:42am |
The problem with all this great stuff is that when I was young it either wasn't available or I didn't have the money/time to try it.
Now, I can't even ride a horse because my body can't absorb another fall--according to the medical professionals.
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Varek Raith Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:22:52am |
Also, I don't trust elevators.
Not a one bit!
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:23:28am |
re: #484 Varek Raith
Also, I don't trust elevators.
Not a one bit!
Funny, that. I'm actually better in an elevator than on a staircase. It's once I get OUT of the elevator that I have the problem. Also, the new trend of having glass-walled elevators is evil incarnate.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:23:32am |
re: #484 Varek Raith
Also, I don't trust elevators.
Not a one bit!
I won't step on a storm grate or manhole cover.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:24:02am |
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RogueOne Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:24:05am |
re: #404 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Nah. I just bitch because I am not nearly cool enough for Apple products and am jealous.
My spouse upgraded her phone this weekend at verizon. We managed to get an apple fan who didn't seem to understand why someone wouldn't want an Iphone.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:24:40am |
I get altitude sickness in really tall buildings.
Stupid isn't it. I think it's the fast ascent in the high-speed elevators that screws up my equilibrium.
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RogueOne Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:25:04am |
re: #415 Sergey Romanov
Scourge, sludge, now phlegm.
What r u, a Toxic Avenger?/
Tried to make my wife watch that with me awhile back. She made it almost 30 minutes in before she couldn't take it anymore.
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iossarian Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:25:35am |
re: #488 RogueOne
My spouse upgraded her phone this weekend at verizon. We managed to get an apple fan who didn't seem to understand why someone wouldn't want an Iphone.
I have gone from iphone to android and would never go back. Neither is perfect of course, but if you have vague IT competency I just can't see why you would persist with the Cupertino lock-in.
| 492 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:26:31am |
I love my iPhone an Apple laptop. Pretty much idiot-proof, which is what I need.
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:28:43am |
re: #485 thedopefishlives
The CN tower also has glass-floor elevators - so the trip up is not without some entertaining moments...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:28:53am |
I think the problem wouldn't be the jumping off the building, but the looking up afterwards and seeing exactly how high the jump was.
Then I'd have a nervous breakdown.
Did a white-water rafting trip a long time ago, went over the falls on during a dryish season. Was tons of fun until I looked-up and saw the HUGE rock the falls usually covered. Could have bashed my brains-out!!! WTF was I thinking?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:29:59am |
Today's C&H must be about politicians and their "wing wangs"(c)Obdi:
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:30:04am |
re: #493 lawhawk
The CN tower also has glass-floor elevators - so the trip up is not without some entertaining moments...
What is so bizarre is how you have to force yourself to walk on the glass. I kept wanting to put my feet on the borders between the panes. People automatically walk around it. Instinct I guess.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:30:59am |
High-altitude ballet without the bother of buildings and wires:
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:31:25am |
re: #448 Varek Raith
My dad doesn't like heights.
Naturally, this scared the crap out of him.
Image: photo-taken-from-burj-khalifa.jpg
Scares me as well!
wow.
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:31:44am |
re: #496 ggt
Yeah, and the thing is that the glass is engineered to be as strong or stronger than steel (think transparent aluminum). It's just not natural to seem to hover in the air like that with nothing underneath you.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:32:13am |
re: #499 lawhawk
Yeah, and the thing is that the glass is engineered to be as strong or stronger than steel (think transparent aluminum). It's just not natural to seem to hover in the air like that with nothing underneath you.
defys logic--at least to the limbic system.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:32:52am |
re: #464 lawhawk
Heh. I did that when we were up in Toronto earlier this year. Kids have no fear - they were lying down and mugging for cameras.
They've got similar features at the Willis (Sears Tower).
But the CN tower has a new attraction - you can now go above the observation deck and walk on a gantry - with nothing but a safety line holding you to the building.
There. Is. No. Way.
I almost passed out just looking at that photo.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:38:01am |
re: #502 Lidane
Frank Gaffney -- the loon that keeps on giving:
Cain joins a long list of prominent figures that Gaffney accuses of working with the Muslim Brotherhood, including CPAC, Grover Norquist, David Petraeus, the federal government, and Supreme Court Justice Elena Kagan.
At least he's fair and balanced.
///
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:39:16am |
re: #502 Lidane
Frank Gaffney -- the loon that keeps on giving:
Cain must be shocked they're going after him.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:39:22am |
re: #497 Decatur Deb
High-altitude ballet without the bother of buildings and wires:
[Video]
And for the ladies:
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:39:44am |
re: #502 Lidane
Frank Gaffney -- the loon that keeps on giving:
BTW, turns out that it is through Gaffney's org that the money for Latma bigots are channeled - "Latma is funded through contributions to the Center for Security Policy in Washington.".
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Gus Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:41:01am |
re: #504 Stanley Sea
Cain must be shocked they're going after him.
It's funny to watch though especially as the group never seems to question the wisdom lunacy of Frank Gaffney. Maybe that's what they mean by "big tent."
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:42:36am |
re: #497 Decatur Deb
High-altitude ballet without the bother of buildings and wires:
[Video]
That was beautiful and amazing, and I got a bout of dizziness and sweaty palms just watching.
I don't "do" heights.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:44:23am |
re: #508 reine.de.tout
That was beautiful and amazing, and I got a bout of dizziness and sweaty palms just watching.
I don't "do" heights.
The next one is more calming, and better-shot. (It's several jumps in the same lighting cut into one video.)
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Gus Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:46:23am |
re: #503 Cannadian Club Akbar
Cain joins a long list of prominent figures that Gaffney accuses of working with the Muslim Brotherhood, including CPAC, Grover Norquist, David Petraeus, the federal government, and Supreme Court Justice Elena Kagan.
At least he's fair and balanced.
///
George W. Bush and the United State Marine Corps...
Hey. It's 2011 already. When are those guys going to take over the universe? Damn they're slow. They can't even take over Egypt. Just you wait though!
//
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:50:03am |
Oh, if I had $1.75 million, this would be so damned cool..
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:51:19am |
re: #510 Gus 802
George W. Bush and the United State Marine Corps...
Hey. It's 2011 already. When are those guys going to take over the universe? Damn they're slow. They can't even take over Egypt. Just you wait though!
//
One day he will simply realize he works for MB too. And that will be that.
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Lidane Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:51:42am |
Cue the wingnut head explosions and the spin:
Gallup Poll: American Muslims Aren’t Anti-Israel And Reject Violence
The poll finds:
--Muslim Americans are most likely (89 percent) to reject violent attacks by individuals or small groups on civilians versus any other U.S. religious group.
--Nearly all Muslim Americans (92 percent) have no sympathy for al-Qaeda.
--Muslim Americans are the most likely (65 percent) to see U.S. actions as causing unfavorable views of U.S. in Muslim countries versus any other U.S. religious group.While King’s hearings on the “radicalization” of American Muslims might indicate that Muslims are less loyal to the U.S. than other religious groups, the polling data suggests exactly the opposite:
--Muslim Americans are as likely as other major faith communities to have confidence in the country’s judicial system and the media.
--Muslim Americans overwhelmingly (93 percent) believe their co-faithful are loyal to America.Perhaps most interestingly, the poll found that the political and social views expressed by Muslims are often closest to Jewish Americans.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:53:25am |
re: #513 Lidane
Cue the wingnut head explosions and the spin:
Gallup Poll: American Muslims Aren’t Anti-Israel And Reject Violence
That's because they lied to the pollster!! WAKE UP!! DON'T TREAD ON ME!! SNAKES ON A PLANE!!
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:53:46am |
re: #513 Lidane
Those are not True Muslims and or/they are just lying to quell our suspicions. The fact that the majority of them have been living quietly and peacefully in America for years means nothing: it is just a cover to lull us into a false sense of secuirty.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:54:37am |
re: #514 Cannadian Club Akbar
YEAH! TEQUILA! UM I MEAN TAQIYA!
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Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:54:54am |
re: #513 Lidane
Perhaps most interestingly, the poll found that the political and social views expressed by Muslims are often closest to Jewish Americans.
It's almost like there's some shared heritage and culture there!
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:56:36am |
re: #517 Obdicut
It's almost like there's some shared heritage and culture there!
Brothers from another mother!
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:57:02am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:57:35am |
re: #520 thedopefishlives
Geschwindigkeit.
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Gus Wed, Aug 3, 2011 7:59:45am |
Still going down...
11,773.90
-92.72 (-0.78%)
What happened with the magical Tea Party debt deal "compromise"?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:00:30am |
re: #522 Gus 802
Still going down...
11,773.90
-92.72 (-0.78%)What happened with the magical Tea Party debt deal "compromise"?
To many Dems voted for it.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:00:51am |
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Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:01:05am |
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Lidane Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:01:15am |
re: #522 Gus 802
What happened with the magical Tea Party debt deal "compromise"?
People looked at it and realized it's a turd sandwich that doesn't actually solve problems, but make them worse.
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Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:01:39am |
re: #522 Gus 802
They're going to say it's going down because we didn't cut enough. They probably already are.
The government could borrow money at 2% right now, which is financially an incredible deal, and the Tea Party hates the idea, it'd rather incur all the costs that come with slashing the spending. They even know it'll increase unemployment and they don't care, while they simultaneously say it'll be good for the economy.
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iossarian Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:01:50am |
re: #511 lawhawk
Shame they didn't do anything with the master bath (though the toadstool thing in the shower is intriguing).
Bit of a downer to go for a shit and find yourself back in yuppieland.
| 530 |
lawhawk Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:04:26am |
re: #528 iossarian
Steampunk in the shower/bath... that should have been easy - with all the piping and flourishes one could attempt... yeah, that part feels like it was an afterthought considering how much effort was put into the rest of the unit.
| 531 |
Lidane Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:04:58am |
re: #529 Lidane
Also:
Why doesn't Obama reach out to Christians like he does Muslims? ZOMG! He hates Christians!
| 532 |
Kronocide Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:05:45am |
I'm going to enjoy watching the wheels turn from the Usual Suspects.
| 533 |
iossarian Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:06:14am |
re: #530 lawhawk
Steampunk in the shower/bath... that should have been easy - with all the piping and flourishes one could attempt... yeah, that part feels like it was an afterthought considering how much effort was put into the rest of the unit.
I'm guessing they didn't get round to finishing that part before the bottom dropped out of the fanfic website consulting market and they had to sell up.
| 534 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:07:11am |
re: #532 BigPapa
I'm going to enjoy watching the wheels turn from the Usual Suspects.
Exactly. Living in a cave is a choice.
/
| 535 |
lawhawk Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:07:48am |
9/11 - the kid's cartoon brought to you by Mike Huckabee (and available for $19.95). Part of his education campaign....
| 536 |
Kronocide Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:08:54am |
New meme:
They're calling us terrorists!
Trying to get the most out of what Biden said, or didn't say. Hypocrisy of the highest order, the Party of Charged Rhetoric complaining about charged rhetoric, real or conpercieved.
| 537 |
Lidane Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:10:03am |
re: #535 lawhawk
9/11 - the kid's cartoon brought to you by Mike Huckabee (and available for $19.95). Part of his education campaign...
Speaking of Huck, he's now reading from the Book of Obvious:
| 539 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:11:06am |
re: #535 lawhawk
9/11 - the kid's cartoon brought to you by Mike Huckabee (and available for $19.95). Part of his education campaign...
How odd.
| 540 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:11:58am |
Onother shitty day in the markets.
Dow -101
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RogueOne Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:18:09am |
Here's a little bit of good news:
6 Fullerton officers involved in fatal beating placed on leave
[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]
It only took a month to get them off the street after they beat someone to death. Progress is progress I guess.
| 542 |
iossarian Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:20:24am |
re: #540 Killgore Trout
Onother shitty day in the markets.
Dow -101
It's just relaxing and taking its time before a GOP presidency, house, senate and judiciary takes us to 25,000 and beyond.
| 543 |
lawhawk Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:21:25am |
re: #540 Killgore Trout
Once again, crummy data - service sector employment, weak demand, etc., despite a positive jobs report from ADP.
| 544 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:21:28am |
Fox Nation: Palin invented the bus tour
Obama Copies Palin, Plans Bus Tour
heh, that reminds me that despite Palin's claims of continuing her great bus tour lasted 4 days before she quit.
| 545 |
Gus Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:22:54am |
Dow Extends Longest Drop Since 1978
U.S. stocks fell, extending the longest slump since 1978 for the Dow Jones Industrial Average, and Treasuries rose as concern the economy is slowing overshadowed the cheapest equity valuations in a year. Oil tumbled, while the franc slid as Switzerland cut interest rates.
The Dow slid for a ninth straight day, losing 141.23 points to a four-month low of 11,725.39 at 10:43 a.m. in New York. The S&P 500 declined 1.4 percent after yesterday’s plunge erased the gauge’s 2011 gain and left it trading at 13.8 times reported earnings. The Stoxx Europe 600 Index sank 2.4 percent. Oil retreated 2 percent following a government report showing an increase in stockpiles. The franc weakened against 13 of its 16 major peers. Treasuries reversed declines, sending the 10-year yield down six basis points to 2.56 percent.
More than $2 trillion was erased from the value of global equities in the past week amid concern the economic recovery is faltering. Service industries expanded in July at the slowest pace since February 2010 as orders and employment cooled, data from the Institute for Supply Management showed, a sign the biggest part of the U.S. economy had little momentum entering the second half...
| 546 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:22:57am |
re: #543 lawhawk
Once again, crummy data - service sector employment, weak demand, etc., despite a positive jobs report from ADP.
Bummer. Hopefully we don't get too much more bad news. Hopefully investors will start seeing some buying opportunities soon.
| 547 |
Kronocide Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:23:57am |
re: #544 Killgore Trout
No kidding, plus the actual 'story' shows Obama getting off a bus with a 'Obama '08' placard.
Derp Squared.
| 548 |
Lidane Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:24:21am |
re: #544 Killgore Trout
Fox Nation: Palin invented the bus tour
Really? I'm pretty sure bus tours by politicians have been around a while. Caribou Barbie didn't invent anything but the half-finished bus tour, since she quit halfway through.
She's good at that, after all.
| 549 |
AK-47% Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:24:38am |
If there had been a default, the Dow would've plummeted like a wounded falcon, now it is just on its way down because investor generally agree that the budget deal was not a solution, it was just putting off the problem until after the next election.
| 550 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:25:23am |
re: #515 ralphieboy
Those are not True Muslims and or/they are just lying to quell our suspicions. The fact that the majority of them have been living quietly and peacefully in America for years means nothing: it is just a cover to lull us into a false sense of secuirty.
Not to mention the fact that they might not be from the Middle East either...
| 551 |
jaunte Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:26:10am |
| 552 |
lawhawk Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:26:55am |
re: #548 Lidane
Before the bus tour... there was the whistlestop tour (along the railroads). Heck, candidates have been doing that for decades.
| 553 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:28:34am |
re: #541 RogueOne
Here's a little bit of good news:
6 Fullerton officers involved in fatal beating placed on leave
[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]It only took a month to get them off the street after they beat someone to death. Progress is progress I guess.
Every employer requires vacations to be scheduled in advance.
| 554 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:28:58am |
re: #552 lawhawk
Before the bus tour... there was the whistlestop tour (along the railroads). Heck, candidates have been doing that for decades.
Probably the concept of the stagecoach stop tour before they had railroads. Though IIRC the general behavior back then was for the candidates to generally stay at home and let the local politicians speak of their case for them.
| 555 |
RadicalModerate Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:29:13am |
One quick question.
Why the hell hasn't MSNBC fired Pat Buchanan yet?
Pat Buchanan clarifies ‘your boy’ comment about Obama
MSNBC Commentator Pat Buchanan on Wednesday said that he meant no offense when he told a clearly stunned Rev. Al Sharpton that President Barack Obama was “your boy.”
“Let me clarify something that happened last night on the Al Sharpton show,” Buchanan began his remarks after being introduced on “Morning Joe.”
“A very spirited discussion, I was asked who was the big losers in these battles and the big winners, and I said one of the big losers, using boxing terminology, was ‘your boy,’ and I meant the president of the United States,” Buchanan said.
[...]
Sharpton was taken aback by Buchanan’s use of the phrase and the comment led to outrage on liberal blogs to call for his suspension or ouster from MSNBC.On Tuesday night, during a discussion in which Buchanan and Sharpton debated whether Congress and Obama would extend the Bush tax cuts, Buchanan said: “And let me tell you, your boy, Barack Obama, caved in on it in 2010 and he’ll cave in on it again.”
Sharpton, appearing stunned, interjected: “My what? My president Barack Obama? What did you say?”
| 556 |
RogueOne Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:29:20am |
re: #549 ralphieboy
If there had been a default, the Dow would've plummeted like a wounded falcon, now it is just on its way down because investor generally agree that the budget deal was not a solution, it was just putting off the problem until after the next election.
...and our credit rating may take a dive before then. All the news is bad news.
| 557 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:29:32am |
Off to get lunch. First Cheesesteak since the Great Orient Trek...
| 558 |
Gus Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:29:56am |
From Bloomberg...
“Valuation is compelling, corporate earnings are compelling, but the economic environment is challenging” said David Sowerby, a Bloomfield Hills, Michigan-based money manager at Loomis Sayles & Co., which oversees $155 billion.
"Corporate earnings are compelling." Nothing to see here aye? Let's just wait for the government to "do something" while these SOBs keep raking in the dough. And for what? Crappy products made in China. Stupid insurance products and credit that we pay through the nose for. Gasoline that's still $4/gallon. Etc. Etc. Etc. And dealing with a global economy. The DOW for instance will easily drop "on Greece" for example.
| 559 |
jaunte Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:30:34am |
Townsends NC chicken plants closing, laying off 1,000-plus
...The U.S. poultry industry is struggling as the cost of corn, the main ingredient in chicken feed, has doubled over the last year. Prices are expected to continue to climb due to the drought in the Midwest and the federal government subsidizing farmers to grow corn for ethanol.The industry is based on corn costing $3 to $5 per bushel, but it's nearly $7 a bushel now...
| 560 |
RogueOne Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:30:36am |
re: #553 negativ
Every employer requires vacations to be scheduled in advance.
Yeah. My assumption is they're still getting paid to sit around. This whole deal has been a total fiasco. They should have been suspended a month ago and they should be looking at murder charges.
| 562 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:31:16am |
re: #555 RadicalModerate
One quick question.
Why the hell hasn't MSNBC fired Pat Buchanan yet?
he's their resident right winger.
| 563 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:31:34am |
re: #562 Cannadian Club Akbar
he's their resident right winger.
Trade him in for a new model, this one is broken.
| 564 |
Lidane Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:32:28am |
re: #562 Cannadian Club Akbar
he's their resident wingnut.
FTFY
They still have Joe Scarborough bloviating in the mornings.
| 565 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:34:13am |
re: #564 Lidane
FTFY
They still have Joe Scarborough bloviating in the mornings.
Funny:
Pat is still there, Oberman isn't. Luckily, I hate both.
| 566 |
blueraven Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:35:35am |
re: #543 lawhawk
Once again, crummy data - service sector employment, weak demand, etc., despite a positive jobs report from ADP.
There is no doubt in my mind that part of this, at least, is due to the long drawn out debt debacle. Also cutting government jobs dramatically in so many states.
This coupled with the European situation, oil prices, Japan...
Who the hell would make capital investments in this climate? Now we are caught up in a viscous cycle of low consumer confidence, slow demand and unemployment.
Taking more money out of the economy right now with no new revenue just seems stupid.
| 567 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:35:41am |
re: #565 Cannadian Club Akbar
Funny:
Pat is still there, Oberman isn't. Luckily, I hate both.
i take part of that back. Liked Keith on Sportscenter.
| 568 |
Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:36:50am |
re: #566 blueraven
When we cut spending during the climb out of the Great Recession, we dove back down into it.
All the states that have cut the most are recovering the slowest.
Government spending during a recession makes sense on every level. Especially with interest rates at record lows.
But the GOP fails at basic economics. And so, sadly, does much of the US voting public.
| 569 |
Lidane Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:37:50am |
re: #566 blueraven
Taking more money out of the economy right now with no new revenue just seems stupid.
There's no "seems" about it. It IS stupid. It's the exact opposite of what we should be doing.
| 570 |
Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:38:08am |
re: #434 ggt
Heh. Okay-Insider Tip
Much as my industry needs the biz, sure go for the sale price. These $1660 gold prices will not be reflected in chain store retailers for a while. Take advantage of stock from a lower gold price.
Tip 2
Keep tabs on the custom jewelers that might be in your area. At this point hand fabricated custom work is more available then ever, and they are working as sharp as they possibly can on the price, and hand fabricated work uses less material.
| 571 |
Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:40:17am |
re: #543 lawhawk
Once again, crummy data - service sector employment, weak demand, etc., despite a positive jobs report from ADP.
I also think these reports put the lie, ummm no too strong a word- exaggeration anyway to the "evil corporations hoarding money not hiring" meme I have been seeing around. No/weak demand means there is really no where to invest, certainly not in inventory or staff.
| 572 |
wrenchwench Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:40:20am |
re: #541 RogueOne
Here's a little bit of good news:
6 Fullerton officers involved in fatal beating placed on leave
[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]It only took a month to get them off the street after they beat someone to death. Progress is progress I guess.
Holy shit. My mom lives about 8 blocks from where that happened. This is the first I've heard of it. (We don't talk much.)
| 573 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:42:28am |
re: #572 wrenchwench
Holy shit. My mom lives about 8 blocks from where that happened. This is the first I've heard of it. (We don't talk much.)
RogueOne has been posting about this for a couple weeks. He's just always here early.
| 574 |
Interesting Times Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:42:56am |
re: #571 Rightwingconspirator
I also think these reports put the lie, ummm no too strong a word- exaggeration anyway to the "evil corporations hoarding money not hiring" meme I have been seeing around. No/weak demand means there is really no where to invest, certainly not in inventory or staff.
But why is there "no/weak demand"? Corporations hoarding money not hiring and/or not paying their existing workers enough.
| 575 |
jaunte Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:43:06am |
This morning's Amazon tag score for PG's new book:
Image: Screen_shot_2011-08-03_at_10.41.59_AM.png
| 576 |
Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:43:17am |
re: #571 Rightwingconspirator
Corporations have things they can do to grow the market. It is true that corporate profits have been high. That's not a debatable fact. They've also done a lot of shareholder payouts over the past while as well.
They also could do something about the enormous runaway disparity between compensation for officers and for workers; raising workers salaries would produce a ton more disposable income for them, which would result in a much better economy overall.
But our corporate culture has gotten fucked up in that regard, and I have no idea how to fix it.
| 577 |
RogueOne Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:43:42am |
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
WASHINGTON — There is something you should know about the deal to cut federal spending that President Obama signed into law on Tuesday: It does not actually reduce federal spending.By the end of the 10-year deal, the federal debt would be much larger than it is today.
Indeed, both the government and its debts will continue to grow faster than the American economy, primarily because the new law does not address federal spending on health care.
That is the reason that the ratings agency Standard & Poor’s and its rivals still are threatening to remove the United States from their lists of risk-free borrowers, although the other agencies, Moody’s and Fitch, both said Tuesday that they would watch and wait for now.
....
To comply with the law, Congress must reduce appropriations by about $25 billion for the budget year that begins in October. The following year, appropriations can increase by $4 billion. Every year thereafter, spending can grow to keep pace with inflation.
We're currently borrowing $4.5 billion a day. That means we'll take a week long break from our borrowing next year. That's not "slashing" spending, it's more of a pin prick.
| 578 |
wrenchwench Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:44:21am |
re: #573 Cannadian Club Akbar
RogueOne has been posting about this for a couple weeks. He's just always here early.
I used to read the whole overnight dead thread in the mornings. Haven't lately. I'm a slacker!
| 579 |
Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:44:31am |
re: #577 RogueOne
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
We're currently borrowing $4.5 billion a day. That means we'll take a week long break from our borrowing next year. That's not "slashing" spending, it's more of a pin prick.
Thank god. Cutting spending in a recession is absolutely idiotic. As much as Obama can do to put his foot in the way of that Tea Party pants-on-head economic lunacy, the better.
| 580 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:44:34am |
Headline of the day: Giant African Rat Kills with Poisonous Mohawk
| 581 |
Gus Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:44:36am |
re: #568 Obdicut
When we cut spending during the climb out of the Great Recession, we dove back down into it.
All the states that have cut the most are recovering the slowest.
Government spending during a recession makes sense on every level. Especially with interest rates at record lows.
But the GOP fails at basic economics. And so, sadly, does much of the US voting public.
The Bush tax cuts need to end for the wealthy. Full stop. If these war mongers expect to continue their little forays into every other country as they're doing now then they should at least find a way to pay for it. Right now I'm thinking about how Afghanistan brought the Soviet Union down. The state you mention wouldn't be in this mess either had more Federal been going to them instead of all of these damn wars and countries we're involved in to the cost of 5 trillion plus in the long haul. Or more. That doesn't include "black budgets" and other diversions like Homeland Security now getting involved in drug interdiction and such. We're essentially a top loaded defense and law enforcement economy. Welcome to fortress America.
| 582 |
RogueOne Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:45:21am |
re: #572 wrenchwench
Holy shit. My mom lives about 8 blocks from where that happened. This is the first I've heard of it. (We don't talk much.)
Brutal story. Check out here to get the whole ugly thing:
[Link: www.fullertonsfuture.org...]
| 584 |
wrenchwench Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:46:12am |
re: #575 jaunte
This morning's Amazon tag score for PG's new book:
Image: Screen_shot_2011-08-03_at_10.41.59_AM.png
As somebody noted yesterday, those can be voted down as well as up. I don't think I can do it more than once, though, because I had to create an ID to vote.
| 585 |
Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:48:03am |
re: #568 Obdicut
What I truly do not understand about that idea is that spending will still be so very, very high. The military cuts are reductions in growth not absolute less money next year than this year cuts.
Why is this level of spending not adequate to foster any growth? I have to wonder if that's not a misplaces expectation. The far better source would be industry but we sent so much of that offshore. So, in the end are we falling back on gov spending because nothing else is able anymore?
| 586 |
Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:49:48am |
re: #574 publicityStunted
But why is there "no/weak demand"? Corporations hoarding money not hiring and/or not paying their existing workers enough.
Chicken and egg dilemma.
| 587 |
Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:51:08am |
re: #581 Gus 802
Maybe all the cuts should go. Was Reagan era taxation so high it would damage us so much now? I doubt it.
| 588 |
Interesting Times Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:53:51am |
re: #586 Rightwingconspirator
Chicken and egg dilemma.
I'd say eggs, and it's pretty clear who's getting most of them:
We Knew They Got Raises. But This?
The final figures show that the median pay for top executives at 200 big companies last year was $10.8 million. That works out to a 23 percent gain from 2009.
...
And it’s not as if most workers are getting fat raises. The average American worker was taking home $752 a week in late 2010, up a mere 0.5 percent from a year earlier. After inflation, workers were actually making less.
Q.E.D.
| 589 |
Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:54:00am |
re: #585 Rightwingconspirator
Why is this level of spending not adequate to foster any growth? I have to wonder if that's not a misplaces expectation. The far better source would be industry but we sent so much of that offshore. So, in the end are we falling back on gov spending because nothing else is able anymore?
It is fostering growth. It's just doing it less quickly than higher spending would.
And yes, that's why you spend in a recession-- in order to kickstart industry, in order to provide a market, in order to keep the velocity of money high. The definition of a recession is the private market slowing. That's why you always spend more heavily in a recession than you do out of it.
Our problem is not spending now, it's the money we spent during the good times, when it's far less necessary.
| 590 |
Gus Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:54:00am |
re: #587 Rightwingconspirator
Maybe all the cuts should go. Was Reagan era taxation so high it would damage us so much now? I doubt it.
What's the tax cut for the average Jane or Joe? 600 bucks? I don't know. The tax cuts for the super wealthy sometimes numbers in the millions.
| 592 |
AK-47% Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:57:14am |
re: #574 publicityStunted
I am reminded of the anecdote about the automotive industry executive showing off his new fully automated assembly line to a union boss and boasting "See? Not a single union member there!"
To which the union boss replied, "And not a single customer, either!"
As long as our economic system reduces labor to just another expense to be minimized or eliminated entirely like toner cartidges or toilet paper, we are going to find ourselves in this sort of downward spiral of wealth being concentrated into fewer hands and the government as a necessary resort to bail us out of recession.
| 593 |
blueraven Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:58:10am |
re: #571 Rightwingconspirator
I also think these reports put the lie, ummm no too strong a word- exaggeration anyway to the "evil corporations hoarding money not hiring" meme I have been seeing around. No/weak demand means there is really no where to invest, certainly not in inventory or staff.
I dont think its an exaggeration at all. Although the evil and hoarding part are debatable. The fact is the S&P trading companies are sitting on trillions and at the same time they are paying CEOs and top management insane salaries and bonuses.
[Link: www.bestdividend-paying-stocks.com...]
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
| 594 |
AK-47% Wed, Aug 3, 2011 8:59:44am |
re: #593 blueraven
and if they are investing at all, then in equipment and not in employees.
| 595 |
iossarian Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:01:13am |
re: #589 Obdicut
Our problem is not spending now, it's the money we spent during the good times, when it's far less necessary.
Deficits don't matter, after all.
Vote GOP and hasten the inevitable end.
| 596 |
blueraven Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:01:33am |
re: #594 ralphieboy
and if they are investing at all, then in equipment and not in employees.
And they dont want the government to invest...because this interferes with free market principles and capitalism.
When are these people gonna step up to the plate and invest in America?
| 597 |
AK-47% Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:02:41am |
re: #596 blueraven
When are these people gonna step up to the plate and invest in America?
When they think they can make a profit out of it. In the mean time, they will just settle for the tax breaks.
| 598 |
Kronocide Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:02:54am |
Time for comic relief:
Drunken Ben Bernanke Tells Everyone At Neighborhood Bar How Screwed U.S. Economy Really Is
| 599 |
Gus Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:04:43am |
Stalemate in Senate Leaves 4,000 Out of Work at F.A.A.
WASHINGTON — After dealing with the debt crisis, Senate negotiators tried and failed on Tuesday to end a stalemate over temporary financing for the Federal Aviation Administration, leaving 4,000 agency employees out of work and relying on airport safety inspectors to continue working without pay.
And if the Democrats accept the Republican blackmail more people will be out of work and or earning far less pay. This all stems from the Republican anti-union movements in Wisconsin. You can probably even than the Koch brothers for this although its root is with Saint Reagan. In any event. This is a stupid move brought to you by the Republican Party. In the end, the Republican Party will probably take us into a depression.
| 600 |
Gus Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:05:18am |
re: #599 Gus 802
Stalemate in Senate Leaves 4,000 Out of Work at F.A.A.
And if the Democrats accept the Republican blackmail more people will be out of work and or earning far less pay. This all stems from the Republican anti-union movements in Wisconsin. You can probably even than the Koch brothers for this although its root is with Saint Reagan. In any event. This is a stupid move brought to you by the Republican Party. In the end, the Republican Party will probably take us into a depression.
Dozens of airport inspectors have been asked by the F.A.A. to work without pay and to charge their government travel expenses to their personal credit cards to keep airports operating safely.
| 601 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:06:31am |
re: #598 BigPapa
Time for comic relief:
Drunken Ben Bernanke Tells Everyone At Neighborhood Bar How Screwed U.S. Economy Really Is
So... Ben's a Paulian?
/
| 602 |
Gus Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:06:55am |
Cause and effect. When the Democrats held the majority things weren't going that great but at least they were moving. Now, with the Republicans holding the majority in the House and having a more significant voice in the Senate things are going down the shitter.
| 603 |
iossarian Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:07:12am |
re: #600 Gus 802
Dozens of airport inspectors have been asked by the F.A.A. to work without pay and to charge their government travel expenses to their personal credit cards to keep airports operating safely.
Love it! Hungarian labor camps coming to a town near you!
| 604 |
blueraven Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:07:25am |
re: #599 Gus 802
Stalemate in Senate Leaves 4,000 Out of Work at F.A.A.
And if the Democrats accept the Republican blackmail more people will be out of work and or earning far less pay. This all stems from the Republican anti-union movements in Wisconsin. You can probably even than the Koch brothers for this although its root is with Saint Reagan. In any event. This is a stupid move brought to you by the Republican Party. In the end, the Republican Party will probably take us into a depression.
Yes, the amendment they wanted for the unions was that a non vote be counted as a no. That's reasonable, right?
/
| 605 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:07:40am |
OK, this is weird:
I applied for a job homeschooling a student at his parents' home.
I got an e-mail back from a consultant who was helping the parents find a teacher, asking me to call.
I called, a couple of days running, and sent e-mail. No response.
I then got another e-mail from the consultant, saying they'd hired someone.
I thanked the consultant.
Last night, I come home from dinner at my parents', and learn that the mother of the family has left a message, saying that the consultant is really impressed with my resume, and could I meet with her today, because she's about to go out of town on business.
I guess I could, but I have other plans for today, involving catching up on paperwork...and this already feels like bad communication...and I just don't get it.
Thoughts?
| 606 |
Shropshire_Slasher Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:08:15am |
For all you coffee lovers out there, Consumer Reports rated some java: [Link: www.nypost.com...]
I remember Eight O'clock coffee won once, at $6 llb here, I prefer Odd Lots joe, at $3 llb. After drinking the same brand for a week, it all tastes yummy (and heavy cream)
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iossarian Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:10:18am |
re: #605 SanFranciscoZionist
Thoughts?
If it were me I would email the mother detailing the crap job this consultant is doing, cc'ing said consultant.
But then, I'm not in the position of potentially wanting the job.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:10:25am |
re: #607 ralphieboy
How bad do you need the work?
I don't know. Not enough to get involved in something that's going to be really unpleasant, as opposed to slightly goofy.
| 610 |
jaunte Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:10:29am |
re: #605 SanFranciscoZionist
Sounds like the first hire might have come undone between emails.
| 611 |
Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:11:15am |
re: #588 publicityStunted
If you literally took the money that you feel is too much, and directly added it to the payrolls of the companies at issue, would it really make a big difference? We should choose a corporation or two and actually run the numbers. Pretend all that excess pay gets divided among the employees evenly. How much of a raise would that be? Then we really would see the true scope of it.
| 612 |
iossarian Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:11:19am |
re: #610 jaunte
Sounds like the first hire might have come undone between emails.
Very much so. Hence "crap job". If you're hiring for a position, you have to have pretty good communication skills.
| 613 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:11:38am |
I think I will call, and try to scope out the lay of the land.
Dunno. I interviewed for something yesterday that would be supremely weird too, but more expectably weird, if you know what I mean.
| 616 |
wrenchwench Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:12:29am |
re: #605 SanFranciscoZionist
OK, this is weird:
I applied for a job homeschooling a student at his parents' home.
I got an e-mail back from a consultant who was helping the parents find a teacher, asking me to call.
I called, a couple of days running, and sent e-mail. No response.
I then got another e-mail from the consultant, saying they'd hired someone.
I thanked the consultant.
Last night, I come home from dinner at my parents', and learn that the mother of the family has left a message, saying that the consultant is really impressed with my resume, and could I meet with her today, because she's about to go out of town on business.
I guess I could, but I have other plans for today, involving catching up on paperwork...and this already feels like bad communication...and I just don't get it.
Thoughts?
The mother wants to meet with you? After hiring someone else? Unless the position is very desirable, I would also be put off by the poor communication, and also the 'please hurry to accommodate my schedule" aspect. But if the consultant wants to line you up with other opportunities, that would be different. And I would think a consultant could do that.
| 617 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:12:43am |
re: #609 SanFranciscoZionist
I don't know. Not enough to get involved in something that's going to be really unpleasant, as opposed to slightly goofy.
I'm thinking you say "Have her call me upon her return from her trip."
| 618 |
Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:14:21am |
re: #576 Obdicut
Corporations have things they can do to grow the market. It is true that corporate profits have been high. That's not a debatable fact. They've also done a lot of shareholder payouts over the past while as well.
They also could do something about the enormous runaway disparity between compensation for officers and for workers; raising workers salaries would produce a ton more disposable income for them, which would result in a much better economy overall.
But our corporate culture has gotten fucked up in that regard, and I have no idea how to fix it.
Apart from cutting prices or advertising what are these "things" they can do to grow the market?
On pay and employees, heck, lets name a selected company or two and dig up the real numbers for my thought experiment in my #611
| 619 |
blueraven Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:14:43am |
Dear Mother/Consultant
When you two can agree on a path forward please let me know. Until then I have a life to live.
Sincerely,
Confused
| 620 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:15:03am |
re: #616 wrenchwench
The mother wants to meet with you? After hiring someone else? Unless the position is very desirable, I would also be put off by the poor communication, and also the 'please hurry to accommodate my schedule" aspect. But if the consultant wants to line you up with other opportunities, that would be different. And I would think a consultant could do that.
The 'consultant's' exact role is not clear to me, except that they have been a buffer between the family and me until now. The mom refers to him/her as 'our tutor'. I think they're more a homeschooling curriculum type than a hiring type. Which might explain the awkwardness of this. I don't know.
But my spidey sense is not happy about this.
| 621 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:15:55am |
Also, I don't have e-mail for the mother, which would make this easier.
| 622 |
AK-47% Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:17:09am |
re: #621 SanFranciscoZionist
Also, I don't have e-mail for the mother, which would make this easier.
Establish direct contact with mother, tell her you will deal with her directly from this point on.
| 623 |
wrenchwench Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:17:28am |
re: #621 SanFranciscoZionist
Also, I don't have e-mail for the mother, which would make this easier.
Play hard to get. Tell her you have plans for today. If she really wants you, she'll still want you when she gets back.
| 624 |
Kronocide Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:19:31am |
re: #605 SanFranciscoZionist
OK, this is weird:
I applied for a job homeschooling a student at his parents' home.
I got an e-mail back from a consultant who was helping the parents find a teacher, asking me to call.
I called, a couple of days running, and sent e-mail. No response.
I then got another e-mail from the consultant, saying they'd hired someone.
I thanked the consultant.
Last night, I come home from dinner at my parents', and learn that the mother of the family has left a message, saying that the consultant is really impressed with my resume, and could I meet with her today, because she's about to go out of town on business.
I guess I could, but I have other plans for today, involving catching up on paperwork...and this already feels like bad communication...and I just don't get it.
Thoughts?
How much does that fucking consultant get paid?
| 625 |
Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:20:10am |
re: #614 SanFranciscoZionist
He should lose that lame crusader chain-mail looking leotard and get some tzitzit.
| 626 |
Achilles Tang Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:23:50am |
re: #621 SanFranciscoZionist
Also, I don't have e-mail for the mother, which would make this easier.
Why not pick up the phone?
| 627 |
Kronocide Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:24:13am |
re: #624 BigPapa
How much
does that fuckingconsultant get paid?
I realize that the consultant may not be the problem.... but the consultant should be experienced in managing difficult clients.
So you either have a consultant that's sucking $ from the equation for little contribution, or a difficult client.
Or, an honest miscommunication where Points 1 and 2 don't apply.
Unless you really need the $, make them work on your terms, not theirs.
| 628 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:24:17am |
| 629 |
jvic Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:26:52am |
re: #623 wrenchwench
Play hard to get. Tell her you have plans for today. If she really wants you, she'll still want you when she gets back.
Play hard to get. Tell her you have plans commitments for today.
I respect the insight and common sense of your posts even when I disagree. Trust your judgment. Good luck.
| 630 |
Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:30:50am |
re: #618 Rightwingconspirator
Apart from cutting prices or advertising what are these "things" they can do to grow the market?
R&D into new products and applications that actually increase consumer spending. Things like the invention of velcro, of cheap aluminium, of the car itself-- that is what capitalism is supposed to do, is create products and sell them. The need doesn't exist before the product, except to the visionary.
On pay and employees, heck, lets name a selected company or two and dig up the real numbers for my thought experiment in my #611
I'd be happy to do that, but it's going to be rather difficult to dig up those numbers with great accuracy.
Cigna gave an outgoing CEO a direct compensation of 18.8 million. There was a much larger indirect component, but we can stick with the component.
So that's 18.8 billion, just for one guy. Cigna has about 30,000 employees, and cutting his salary away to nothing (or, rather, to the rest of his hidden compensation) would result in $500 extra per year for each of those employees. And that's one guy. For someone who's making $30,000 a year, $500 is 1/60th of their total pay. And that's just one guy-- and that's without addressing profits.
I'm not even sure what you're arguing; it is true that our compensation is totally out of whack, but historically and in comparison with every other country.
| 631 |
AK-47% Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:33:36am |
re: #630 Obdicut
But if we don't offer those corporate salaries and bonuses , we will not get the very best people to run our companies and create jobs that benefit us all, like those visionary geniuses who ran the financial sector in 2008!
| 632 |
blueraven Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:36:16am |
re: #618 Rightwingconspirator
Apart from cutting prices or advertising what are these "things" they can do to grow the market?
On pay and employees, heck, lets name a selected company or two and dig up the real numbers for my thought experiment in my #611
Research and Development. Raising salaries of the rank and file. Take a chance on a new project...its the American way.
| 633 |
Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:37:10am |
Obdicut and Publicitystunted-
Would Exxon be a suitable test case for a hypothetical raise for the 86,000 employees instead of excess CEO pay?
How much excess pay shall we figure to divide?
Is this a cultural issue more than a direct economic one?
| 634 |
Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:41:45am |
I think I may see some jobs opening up here...
Minnesota School Faces Lawsuit Over Racist 'Wigger Day'
A Minnesota school district allowed a homecoming event called "Wigger Day," during which students wore clothes and behaved in a manner that "from their perspective, mimicked black culture," according to a federal a class action lawsuit filed against the district on Friday.
| 635 |
iossarian Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:42:09am |
re: #633 Rightwingconspirator
Obdicut and Publicitystunted-
Would Exxon be a suitable test case for a hypothetical raise for the 86,000 employees instead of excess CEO pay?How much excess pay shall we figure to divide?
Is this a cultural issue more than a direct economic one?
Here's a different way of looking at the executive pay issue: if you took the pay of the top 5 executives at Exxon and split it between the lowest paid 10,000 employees, would that money go back into the economy faster or slower than in the status quo scenario?
Just because $5 doesn't sound like a lot of money, doesn't mean that $5 x 86,000 isn't a significant boost to the economy. Infinitesimal calculus was sorted out a couple of hundred years ago, after all.
| 636 |
Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:42:45am |
re: #633 Rightwingconspirator
A large multinational like Exxon is probably difficult because of the number of their employees who are overseas, and so the money would be worth so much more to them. Cigna may have the same problem, actually, so the $500 (more like $600) apiece would probably actually go a lot farther among the employees that are Bangladeshi, etc.
| 637 |
iossarian Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:43:37am |
re: #636 Obdicut
A large multinational like Exxon is probably difficult because of the number of their employees who are overseas, and so the money would be worth so much more to them. Cigna may have the same problem, actually, so the $500 (more like $600) apiece would probably actually go a lot farther among the employees that are Bangladeshi, etc.
No, no, money is only proper money if it's kept in large chunks and given to captains of industry.
If you split it up it loses its magic power.
| 638 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:43:51am |
Pay attention Pam....
Police cast net wide in Norway attacks probe
The search was ongoing for possible accomplices or supporters of Breivik, and police have for instance been looking at bloggers, Kraby said.'We have received very many tips, many concern statements that appear to support the suspect,' Kraby said.
The prosecutor added, however, that 'not all that is said on the internet is serious' and police have to 'draw a line.'
| 639 |
iossarian Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:44:42am |
re: #638 Killgore Trout
ZOMG my first amendment rights are being trampled as we speak!
| 640 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:44:51am |
re: #638 Killgore Trout
Further down...
The blogger, believed to be a Norwegian man, had been critical of Islam. Public broadcaster NRK said it had conducted an email interview with a person it believed to be Fjordman, who said he was willing to assist investigators.
| 641 |
Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:45:32am |
re: #638 Killgore Trout
Pay attention Pam...
Police cast net wide in Norway attacks probe
oh noez, Norway really is infested with creeping stealth sharia jihadists!!1!
| 642 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:46:46am |
re: #641 JasonA
oh noez, Norway really is infested with creeping stealth sharia jihadists!!1!
Leftists Nazi Norwegians enabling the Jihad against human rights activists!
| 643 |
Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:47:22am |
re: #642 Killgore Trout
Leftists Nazi Norwegians enabling the Jihad against human rights activists!
What you said!!1!
| 644 |
blueraven Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:49:49am |
re: #633 Rightwingconspirator
Obdicut and -
Would Exxon be a suitable test case for a hypothetical raise for the 86,000 employees instead of excess CEO pay?How much excess pay shall we figure to divide?
Is this a cultural issue more than a direct economic one?
Im am not Obdicut or Publicitystunted, but yes, why not? Even if you raised all 86,000 by $1000 per year, that is 86 million (if my math is correct)
That is less than many CEOs make.
Why not invest more in cleaner energy at the same time?
| 645 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:56:26am |
| 646 |
jvic Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:57:08am |
re: #633 Rightwingconspirator
Is this a cultural issue more than a direct economic one?
1. Maybe, but for a market economy to work as intended, a precondition is necessary. Call it a social contract, morality, culture...
2. The Right correctly points out the negatives of excessive economic interference by government. They are reluctant to think through the negatives of a winner-take-all system in which minute or nonexistent increments in merit yield astronomical changes in compensation.
3. This is the second time in two days that I have to log off just as a discussion is getting interesting.
| 647 |
AK-47% Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:58:50am |
re: #637 iossarian
If you split it up it loses its magic power.
Money in sums like that can be used to purchase political power. Which is a sort of magic.
| 648 |
Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 3, 2011 9:59:12am |
re: #637 iossarian
No, no, money is only proper money if it's kept in large chunks and given to captains of industry.
If you split it up it loses its magic power.
That is not something I believe. Just for the record, so I'm not lumped in with anyone who espouses such a thing.
| 649 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:00:55am |
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
| 650 |
Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:01:07am |
re: #646 jvic
I would not underestimate the impact of a cultural shift like what we are discussing. I am just looking to see how much of a straight economic issue it is.
And yeah, I hate having to leave a great discussion too. Which will happen to me at the very next phone call/order.
| 651 |
Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:05:17am |
re: #635 iossarian
Are you assuming the CEO just puts the money under a mattress, invests it or buys more things? Again, just separating the economics from the cultural impact.
| 652 |
allegro Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:05:55am |
re: #650 Rightwingconspirator
I would not underestimate the impact of a cultural shift like what we are discussing. I am just looking to see how much of a straight economic issue it is.
I think that's pretty well demonstrated already by looking at what has actually happened to our economy the past 30 or so years. There's no need to invent any wheels - it's right there.
| 653 |
lawhawk Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:06:19am |
One way to possibly deal with the golden parachute principle is for boards to demand poison pill provisions - that if the CEO is going to rake in X from their departure before their contracted periods are up, then their parachute compensation will be slashed by a percentage (say 50% and divided among the remaining employees equally).
That is something that shareholders should demand to limit the exposure to oversized parachutes that reward execs that do a poor job.
So, if an exec works out a parachute deal where they get $100 million to walk away, the deal gets sliced to $50 million, with the remainder divided among the employees.
| 654 |
Achilles Tang Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:07:29am |
re: #633 Rightwingconspirator
Obdicut and Publicitystunted-
Would Exxon be a suitable test case for a hypothetical raise for the 86,000 employees instead of excess CEO pay?How much excess pay shall we figure to divide?
Is this a cultural issue more than a direct economic one?
I don't think excess CEO pay can be legislated down.
The simple way to deal with it is to tax it, and I don't mean tax wealth to redistribute it, but tax earned income on a sliding scale up to and over 100,000,000. When corporate boards realize they are paying the government as much as the CEO, they may tone it down a bit, but in the meantime the tax can be used to build infrastructure which creates jobs which creates more spending and more business as well as more tax revenues, and the engine starts running again.
| 655 |
Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:07:34am |
re: #652 allegro
Sorry can't see it that simple. Too many other factors involved. Like off-shoring the jobs. Like the rise of other economic powers.
| 656 |
iossarian Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:07:41am |
re: #648 Rightwingconspirator
That is not something I believe. Just for the record, so I'm not lumped in with anyone who espouses such a thing.
No, I believe you. I can see where you're coming from: "if you split the money between that many people it won't have an impact" (unless I misread your posts above). It's true that $5 isn't a lot of money.
On the other hand, what generates more happiness (leaving aside questions of economic efficiency for now): 10,000 workers who can afford to go out for a cheap lunch once a month, or one CEO who gets to upgrade his megayacht once a year?
| 657 |
allegro Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:08:03am |
re: #651 Rightwingconspirator
Are you assuming the CEO just puts the money under a mattress, invests it or buys more things? Again, just separating the economics from the cultural impact.
If they aren't saving it, investing it, or spending it what's left? Starting new businesses and hiring a bunch of people? Nice thought but it doesn't appear to happen.
| 658 |
Interesting Times Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:08:57am |
re: #651 Rightwingconspirator
Are you assuming the CEO just puts the money under a mattress, invests it or buys more things?
What contributes more to the real economy? $2.3 million spread out amongst middle class people with families, or the same amount spent on something like this?
| 660 |
AK-47% Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:09:24am |
re: #651 Rightwingconspirator
Are you assuming the CEO just puts the money under a mattress, invests it or buys more things? Again, just separating the economics from the cultural impact.
There was a time before mass globalization that we could be fairly sure that said CEO would invest in jobs that benefit Americans. But since capital is now free to follow the path of hightest returns, it will go wherever CEO's see the highest earnings potential
In exchange, our economy gets more cheap imported consumer goods and the only jobs our economy sees involve hawking these wares at the Wal-Mart at minimum wage.
| 661 |
iossarian Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:09:28am |
re: #653 lawhawk
Hilarious that we're talking about limiting CEO parachute payments from $100M to $50M when in Greece, A FUCKING WESTERN NATION, people are having to move into abandoned buildings and scratch out tomatoes in vacant lots to survive.
| 662 |
iossarian Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:11:14am |
"Hey guys, how about this: I'll let you have 20% of my $50M bonus this year!"
"OK, OK, how about 25%. 30. It's my last offer. C'mon guys, put the pitchforks down, a joke's a joke..."
| 663 |
Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:12:03am |
re: #651 Rightwingconspirator
Are you assuming the CEO just puts the money under a mattress, invests it or buys more things? Again, just separating the economics from the cultural impact.
Well, there's thing called marginal utility, so the money in the hands of the CEO has far less marginal utility, and contributes far less to the velocity of money, than in someone at the $30,000 dollar level. The chance that they will spend it on goods or services is very high.
| 664 |
Achilles Tang Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:12:34am |
re: #651 Rightwingconspirator
Are you assuming the CEO just puts the money under a mattress, invests it or buys more things? Again, just separating the economics from the cultural impact.
Some CEOs probably have other businesses, but if those businesses can't pay for themselves and need cash infusion from earned CEO income, what good are they to the economy?
No, that money goes to high luxury or the stock market although there will be some who also give generously to charity, which eases the load on social services.
Regardless, and reasonable increase in taxation on that income will result in no changes in lifestyle for the CEOs, nor in a downturn of the economy. Quite the opposite.
| 665 |
allegro Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:13:18am |
re: #655 Rightwingconspirator
Sorry can't see it that simple. Too many other factors involved. Like off-shoring the jobs. Like the rise of other economic powers.
I neither said or implied anything about simplicity. I said the data is all there to be analyzed in however much detail is needed. Much of it is pretty obvious, for instance the stagnation of wages happening at the same time as the diminishing of unions and collective bargaining. Out-sourcing of manufacturing without tarif or tax repercussions to countries where there are no environmental or worker protections and people working for $1 a day is another one.
| 666 |
Interesting Times Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:13:27am |
re: #660 ralphieboy
In exchange, our economy gets more cheap imported consumer goods and the only jobs our economy sees involve hawking these wares at the Wal-Mart at minimum wage.
Funny you should mention that...
Wal-Mart's core shoppers are running out of money much faster than a year ago due to rising gasoline prices, and the retail giant is worried, CEO Mike Duke said Wednesday.
...
Wal-Mart shoppers, many of whom live paycheck to paycheck, typically shop in bulk at the beginning of the month when their paychecks come in.Lately, they're "running out of money" at a faster clip, he said. "Purchases are really dropping off by the end of the month even more than last year," Duke said. "This end-of-month [purchases] cycle is growing to be a concern.
| 667 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:13:30am |
re: #661 iossarian
Not okay in Africa either.
| 668 |
BishopX Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:15:04am |
re: #661 iossarian
Hilarious that we're talking about limiting CEO parachute payments from $100M to $50M when in Greece, A FUCKING WESTERN NATION, people are having to move into abandoned buildings and scratch out tomatoes in vacant lots to survive.
The problem is that limiting CEO pay legislatively doesn't work. It just gives people an upper bound to shoot for. If you limit CEO pay to $5million a year, that tells every CEO that they could be making 5 million a year, even if they aren't currently.
What we need is fucking tax reform. Add two more income tax brackets at 1 million and 10 million (inflation adjusted) with a 10% marginal tax increase in each bracket. Employees paid in stock should also be taxed as if it was earned income rather than capital gains when the stock is sold.
| 669 |
AK-47% Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:15:56am |
re: #664 Naso Tang
" there will be some who also give generously to charity, which eases the load on social services."
...
"Are there no prisons, no workhouses for the poor?" asked Scrooge.
"There are, but not enough sir!"
"Then let them die and reduce the surplus population!"
| 670 |
Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:17:29am |
re: #668 BishopX
I'd like to change the capital gains tax to to regular income in general, except that it's adjusted for inflation. So, you'd pay as though you'd actually earned the money, but if it was paying off just at the rate of inflation you wouldn't have to pay tax on it.
| 671 |
lawhawk Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:21:07am |
re: #661 iossarian
I used that figure for illustrative purposes, but it could apply for any parachute amount - $1 million or $100 million. Heck, shareholders could demand that no such parachutes be allowed in compensation packages altogether as it all too frequently rewards failure.
| 672 |
Ericus58 Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:22:23am |
New Zealand man 'decapitated' by home-made hovercraft
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]
"A New Zealand man has been decapitated by a propeller while demonstrating a home-made hovercraft to his family, local media reports say.
Dr Alastair Kenneth Senior, 40, died instantly when his hovercraft suffered a mechanical failure, causing a blade to shear off and hit him in the head."
The article ends with:
"The newspaper went on to quote a former member of the Hovercraft Club of New Zealand, Ashley Shaw, who said the craft were generally safe.
"To make them, it's a piece of cake. I designed my own," he said.
"Hovercraft are inherently very, very safe and simple devices. They are quite stable.""
Say Wha....?!?!
| 673 |
lawhawk Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:22:36am |
re: #668 BishopX
Do that with the elimination of the AMT and eliminate most or all credits and deductions for the upper bounds and you'd have the makings of real tax reform.
| 674 |
Achilles Tang Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:22:41am |
re: #670 Obdicut
I'd like to change the capital gains tax to to regular income in general, except that it's adjusted for inflation. So, you'd pay as though you'd actually earned the money, but if it was paying off just at the rate of inflation you wouldn't have to pay tax on it.
I'm not sure the two can identical. The big difference between salaried income and capital gains is that the former involves no financial risk, but the latter does, and the latter also constitutes investment.
I'm not qualified to balance the numbers, but I do think there is a different case for capital gains.
| 675 |
Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:24:54am |
re: #671 lawhawk
The problem is that 'shareholders' are largely mutual fund holders and other aggregates, who generally trade in the short term. The actual end-owners, the investor, often doesn't even know what they own.
When this country was founded, being a shareholder in a corporation limited your liability, but charters were granted for a specific period of time, you were certainly still aware of what you owned, and you were identifiable as its owner.
now, people 'own' companies at a fifth remove, the corporations are immortal and for convenience have been given rights based on what they resemble least-- individuals before the law.
Shareholders have very little incentive to exercise their rights in governing companies, compared to the activation cost of doing so. Instead, the ones who control the funds are the ones with the actual power, not the real owners.
| 676 |
lawhawk Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:25:34am |
Another factor weighing on the markets - as bad as the US economic situation is perceived, it's far worse in Europe.
| 677 |
Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:26:54am |
re: #674 Naso Tang
I'm not sure the two can identical. The big difference between salaried income and capital gains is that the former involves no financial risk,
Yes it does.
I'm not qualified to balance the numbers, but I do think there is a different case for capital gains.
They're still getting the benefit that their investment can be quantified and a break given due to inflation, unlike a worker.
Obviously this isn't something that has to be set in stone. Right now, we have the problem of stagnant wages, diminishing buying power, and wealth concentrating in the hands of an uber-elite. You can't create an economic policy that will work perfectly in all perpetuity, you need to address what's going on right now.
| 678 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:27:12am |
re: #658 publicityStunted
What contributes more to the real economy? $2.3 million spread out amongst middle class people with families, or the same amount spent on something like this?
If a private person wants to drop a shitload of cash on something, it's nobodies business.
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:27:57am |
Switzerland had to lower its prime rate today, the Swiss Franc is now in such demand that the exchange rate is killing their export and tourist industries
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Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:28:15am |
re: #678 Cannadian Club Akbar
No, but it is a slower velocity of money than that same money being paid out in, say 230,000 people having a beer at a bar and tipping $4 because the bartender was hot.
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:28:56am |
re: #675 Obdicut
Except that it would be in the funds' own interest to see improved corporate governance and cleaning up the compensation picture at some of these companies that offer out the golden tickets. A company that does an awful job shouldn't be rewarding an exec with a massive parachute; that money would be better plowed back into the company for R&D, employee compensation, stock buyback, purchase of other companies/assets, or any number of other options.
Those funds are also owned by investors and they too should be making more demands on the fund managers who own blocks of stock in these kinds of companies.
But if everyone is apathetic or ignorant of the problems, nothing will change.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:30:09am |
re: #680 Obdicut
No, but it is a slower velocity of money than that same money being paid out in, say 230,000 people having a beer at a bar and tipping $4 because the bartender was hot.
I understand. But they can use their own money.
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Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:32:16am |
re: #681 lawhawk
Except that it would be in the funds' own interest to see improved corporate governance and cleaning up the compensation picture at some of these companies that offer out the golden tickets.
Not necessarily, as pretty easily demonstrated by the fact that this hasn't happened.
A company that does an awful job shouldn't be rewarding an exec with a massive parachute; that money would be better plowed back into the company for R&D, employee compensation, stock buyback, purchase of other companies/assets, or any number of other options.
But most fund managers do not actually analyze the companies-- that's how people like Buffet beat the market. Most of them analyze only the financials, the profit-loss, the overhead, etc. That's why analysts knee-jerkingly reward companies for laying off employees so often.
But if everyone is apathetic or ignorant of the problems, nothing will change.
Yes, and they're not given an incentive to change. They're making obscene amounts of money. Why should they change? The risks aren't really theirs.
It's a cultural problem and a regulatory problem, and it's an enormously difficult one to solve.
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Simply Sarah Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:32:45am |
re: #682 Cannadian Club Akbar
I understand. But they can use their own money.
But that's Obdi's entire point: Give it to them so it is their money to spend.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:33:25am |
re: #658 publicityStunted
re: #678 Cannadian Club Akbar
If a private person wants to drop a shitload of cash on something, it's nobodies business.
AND ,, the person that sold the item (receives the money) doesn't just sit on it
He/she in turn buys something with it, or invests in something with it
The money doesn't die out
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Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:33:52am |
re: #682 Cannadian Club Akbar
I understand. But they can use their own money.
That's missing the point entirely. I'm saying that for the good of the economy it's better. That's why concentration of money in the hands of a small group is bad for the economy-- and that's what we've got going on.
I'm not saying we should, therefore, kick everyone rich in the gut and steal their wallet. I'm saying that the way that our corporate environment is set up, the incentives, rewards, and punishments that are in place, have no capability of fixing this problem.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:34:13am |
re: #684 Simply Sarah
But that's Obdi's entire point: Give it to them so it is their money to spend.
So, rich people should give away the money they earned?
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Achilles Tang Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:34:20am |
re: #677 Obdicut
I was speaking generally about capital gain, not what to do today.
However it certainly is not the same as salaried income. You can lose a job, but you did not invest your money to get it, and lose that also.
If you invest your savings in an investment that may lose or gain value, there is a risk that must be balanced between loss and potential gain, including tax costs, that will affect whether you make the investment or not. Generally we want to have incentive for people to make investments, but it can be tricky to fairly figure out what is and what is not capital gain.
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Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:34:55am |
re: #685 sattv4u2
He/she in turn buys something with it, or invests in something with it
The money doesn't die out
Exactly. It's just flowing along at a much, much smaller rate than if it were being spent by those at the lower income level.
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:35:24am |
re: #681 lawhawk
We are getting at the core of this discussion, and it is something that the Tea party embodies by its very symbolism: they labor under an understanding of capitalism and democratic government based on the conditions of the late XVIIIth century.
Things have changed massively since then, but the cynical bastards gaming the system from the top have an interest in selling us the notion that they haven't.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:35:24am |
re: #687 Cannadian Club Akbar
So, rich people should give away the money they earned?
No, they should buy new cars, that way some of the money trickles down to me.
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Simply Sarah Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:36:44am |
re: #687 Cannadian Club Akbar
So, rich people should give away the money they earned?
No. It means rich people are being overcompensated. Why do the executives 'deserve' and 'earn' multi-million dollar compensation, often regardless of their performance, that has increased at a torrid rate while the average person working in the trenches gets barely enough to get by? Why are the rich entitled to getting paid so much more? Because other rich people say so?
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Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:38:40am |
re: #688 Naso Tang
However it certainly is not the same as salaried income. You can lose a job, but you did not invest your money to get it, and lose that also.
Yes, you did. You invested time and money in researching the job, in traveling to the job, in educating yourself for the job, etc. You've made the over-investment of your time and labor-- assuming you're a good employee, you're worth more money to the company than your salary. That differential isn't there for the investor; their money is worth what their money is worth, in terms of investment.
If you invest your savings in an investment that may lose or gain value, there is a risk that must be balanced between loss and potential gain, including tax costs, that will affect whether you make the investment or not.
It is very different if you're only making one investment. If you're making more, you can count losses against your gains-- an option not available to a worker.
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:38:49am |
re: #692 Simply Sarah
Because if we don't, our economy might collapse and industries would reqwuire massive government bailouts to remain solvent. We wouldn't want that to happen now, would we?
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:39:09am |
re: #689 Obdicut
All this attention on big corporations misses a key point. The big employer in the country is small biz. Get those folks hiring and employment solves the consumer cash issues.
How important are small businesses to the U.S. economy?
Small firms:
Represent 99.7 percent of all employer firms.
Employ just over half of all private sector employees.
Pay 44 percent of total U.S. private payroll.
Have generated 64 percent of net new jobs over the past 15 years.
Create more than half of the nonfarm private gross domestic product (GDP).
Hire 40 percent of high tech workers (such as scientists, engineers, and computer programmers).
Are 52 percent home-based and 2 percent franchises.
Made up 97.3 percent of all identified exporters and produced 30.2 percent of the known export value in FY 2007.
Produce 13 times more patents per employee than large patenting firms; these patents are twice as likely as large firm patents to be among the one percent most cited.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:39:51am |
re: #681 lawhawk
Except that it would be in the funds' own interest to see improved corporate governance and cleaning up the compensation picture at some of these companies that offer out the golden tickets. A company that does an awful job shouldn't be rewarding an exec with a massive parachute; that money would be better plowed back into the company for R&D, employee compensation, stock buyback, purchase of other companies/assets, or any number of other options.
Those funds are also owned by investors and they too should be making more demands on the fund managers who own blocks of stock in these kinds of companies.
But if everyone is apathetic or ignorant of the problems, nothing will change.
We could do a lot with the hundreds of millions spent every year on stupid political campaign advertising for people who end up doing less for the economy than their campaign cost.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:40:08am |
re: #692 Simply Sarah
SCENARIO
"My" company projects a loss this year of 10 million
I'll have to cut back, not buy as much equipment, cut jobs
There's an executive out there with the business acumen that if I were to hire her/him at (lets say) 2 million he could guarantee my losses would be only 5 million
Some of those jobs would be saved and I would be able to buy some new equipment
Is it worth hiring him/her?
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Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:42:00am |
re: #695 Rightwingconspirator
Small biz makes up half the market. Talking about the big corporations is also important.
But yes, I agree, small business is great. I'm a small business owner myself.
The largest barrier to small business is large, entrenched business, especially when they have the political clout to influence regulatory behavior.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:42:15am |
re: #696 Naso Tang
We could do a lot with the hundreds of millions spent every year on stupid political campaign advertising for people who end up doing less for the economy than their campaign cost.
OTOH,,, that employs many many artists, actors, directors, film crews, small print shops ,,, ect etc
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Interesting Times Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:42:47am |
re: #695 Rightwingconspirator
All this attention on big corporations misses a key point. The big employer in the country is small biz. Get those folks hiring and employment solves the consumer cash issues.
Small biz can't hire when big biz cuts off their credit:
Chip Besse figured he could hire a dozen people once he got a $1.1 million small-business loan. Wells Fargo & Co. turned him down. U.S. taxpayers helped the San Francisco-based bank weather the 2008 financial crisis with a $25 billion loan and $9.5 billion of debt guarantees.
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CuriousLurker Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:44:25am |
OT drive-by comment:
A new White House report just posted by a member of the Mother Jones staff, Empowering Local Partners to Prevent Violent Extremism in the United States (PDF)
BBL
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sattv4u2 Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:44:39am |
re: #700 Obdicut
Why would you have to cut jobs?
because I can't afford losing 10 million!?!?!
My (real) company downsized several years ago (we have thousands of employees worldwide)
At the place I work we went from 4 fulltime engineers and 9 fulltime operators to 1 fulltime eng, and 5 fulltime ops handling a 24/7 operation, saving over half the salary/ bennies overhead
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sattv4u2 Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:46:46am |
re: #701 publicityStunted
Does the article say why they "turned him down"
30 + years ago when I had my own small business(es) I got turned down for loans a couple of times for various reasons
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Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:46:52am |
re: #703 sattv4u2
because I can't afford losing 10 million!?!?!
I'm sorry, you seem to be missing something kind of basic.
Employees don't cost money. They make money for their employer.
If they don't-- if you're paying a guy $12 an hour and he only brings you $10 an hour worth of business- then it makes sense to lay him off regardless of whether your company is making or losing money.
If you're paying a guy $12 an hour and he brings you $22 an hour worth of business, then you should never fire him-- especially, dear god, if you're running $10 million in debt.
Does this help you understand? It's something that people seem very confused about a lot. The incentive to lay off employees is in their individual profitability, and it's independent of the overall economic health of the company.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:46:58am |
re: #701 publicityStunted
Is that craven greed or too many foreclosed houses & bad loans on the books?
plus from your link it's not the bank really...
Trading, Not Lending
The U.S. government helped Wells Fargo, JPMorgan Chase and Bank of America back to health with $189.3 billion in loans under the Troubled Asset Relief Program and debt guarantees through the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. The rest of the country: not so much. That’s in part because of policies the Federal Reserve has instituted to help banks, said Peter Morici, an economist and professor at the Smith School of Business at the University of Maryland in College Park.
“We’ve created a system that encourages bankers to trade, not lend,” Morici said.
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Simply Sarah Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:47:53am |
re: #697 sattv4u2
If that could be proven to be the case, there may be some merit. That being said, I find that, at best, to be highly speculative. We cannot know what would happen if different executives were in place.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:48:13am |
re: #705 Obdicut
Employees don't cost money. They make money for their employer.
Yes, they help you make money at a cost!
And if you can get the same productivity from a staff of 50 as a staff of 100, why would you have 100?
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allegro Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:48:20am |
re: #703 sattv4u2
My (real) company downsized several years ago (we have thousands of employees worldwide)
What was the reason for the company to downsize?
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sattv4u2 Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:49:10am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:49:24am |
re: #708 sattv4u2
Employees don't cost money. They make money for their employer.Yes, they help you make money at a cost!
And if you can get the same productivity from a staff of 50 as a staff of 100, why would you have 100?
Just hire 7000 non-employees!!!
[Link: news.cnet.com...]
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Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:50:18am |
re: #708 sattv4u2
Employees don't cost money. They make money for their employer.Yes, they help you make money at a cost!
And if you can get the same productivity from a staff of 50 as a staff of 100, why would you have 100?
Exactly! I'm glad you understand. So you see, that holds true absolutely independently of whether or not a company is profitable or losing money.
So, your scenario doesn't make any sense.
| 713 |
Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:50:31am |
re: #709 allegro
Where I work we went from 10 to 5 employees before the recession hit. Off shoring of jewelry mfg. A loan would not help.
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blueraven Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:50:34am |
re: #678 Cannadian Club Akbar
If a private person wants to drop a shitload of cash on something, it's nobodies business.
That is true, but it doesn't negate publicityStunted's point. If we have such a disparity in wealth this kind of buying is increased, while regular consumer spending is lowered.
We need more people to be able to afford the basics; food, shelter, transportation with a little left over for maybe a dinner out, a movie or that frivolous pair of shoes. This is the type of spending that boosts the economy and creates jobs.
| 715 |
sattv4u2 Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:51:11am |
| 716 |
Lidane Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:51:46am |
Can we please take up a collection to get this woman a real job, or at least send her off to some remote island without internet, TV, or any other sort of media?
| 717 |
lawhawk Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:52:28am |
re: #711 Cannadian Club Akbar
Robots - lots of robots. Foxconn, which makes a bunch of stuff for companies you might have heard of (Apple, HP, Dell, etc.) first moved their factory operations to China. Costs kept rising, so they've decided to use robots instead - they claim that they'll shift employees up the processing chain, but we'll see.
| 718 |
Simply Sarah Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:52:38am |
re: #708 sattv4u2
Employees don't cost money. They make money for their employer.Yes, they help you make money at a cost!
And if you can get the same productivity from a staff of 50 as a staff of 100, why would you have 100?
If you can get the same productivity out of 50, then it means you were some combination of being extremely inefficient when you had 100 (In which case you should have been limiting hiring and hoped for attrition well before you started losing so much money) and/or are demanding excessive production from the remaining 50 to make up for the 50 that were lost.
| 719 |
Achilles Tang Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:52:45am |
re: #693 Obdicut
Yes, you did. You invested time and money in researching the job, in traveling to the job, in educating yourself for the job, etc. You've made the over-investment of your time and labor-- assuming you're a good employee, you're worth more money to the company than your salary. That differential isn't there for the investor; their money is worth what their money is worth, in terms of investment.
It is very different if you're only making one investment. If you're making more, you can count losses against your gains-- an option not available to a worker.
I think you are equating apples and oranges. We are talking of money flows here, not how people spend their time (and this principle applies not only to individuals). People spend time on capital gains projects too, but assuming they can get a salaried income, they are not going to risk their savings on a capital investment unless it can give an after tax return that is greater than they can earn working for someone else, taking risk, time and tax into account.
As to losses versus gains, yes you can write off losses against gains, but that is irrelevant because it is the net gain or loss that matters, regardless how the risk was spread out.
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allegro Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:54:17am |
re: #708 sattv4u2
And if you can get the same productivity from a staff of 50 as a staff of 100, why would you have 100?
So fewer people are doing more work for less compensation being paid out by the company. With a desperate workforce such as we have now people are having to work much more to bring home much less and be glad for it. Since there are fewer people with any money to spend, and it appears that your business is in a luxury kind of market, how sustainable is this?
| 721 |
Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:55:02am |
re: #717 lawhawk
Remember the Foxxcon suicide scandal? Are Chinese employees really "too expensive"? How can that be? Why not hire more workers to reduce the load? My god, how does that work given Apples amazing cash reserves?
| 722 |
lawhawk Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:56:40am |
re: #721 Rightwingconspirator
How do you think Apple got those cash reserves?
| 723 |
Achilles Tang Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:57:19am |
re: #699 sattv4u2
OTOH,,, that employs many many artists, actors, directors, film crews, small print shops ,,, ect etc
That is true for sure, but it is also expenditure that has mainly short term benefit.
Likely many of these will be temporary workers, laid off after business returns to normal at the end of the campaign season, and much of the money goes straight to a few corporate networks for air time only.
| 724 |
lawhawk Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:57:21am |
OT:
TS Emily watch. Most of the models put it out to sea, but a few have it brushing up against the Florida Atlantic coast before curving out to sea.
| 725 |
Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:57:23am |
And what about that "stay at home mom" who lives in <%=GetZipCodeFromIP%> who invented the "teeth whitening secret" and "amazing wrinkle cream" and discovered that "weird old tip" to lose weight and "odd trick" to sleep all night!
That "mom" is making a fortune for a bunch of offshore spammers.
| 726 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:57:53am |
re: #721 Rightwingconspirator
Remember the Foxxcon suicide scandal? Are Chinese employees really "too expensive"? How can that be? Why not hire more workers to reduce the load? My god, how does that work given Apples amazing cash reserves?
Anti-Suicide nets? Really? For the love of Pete...
| 727 |
Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:58:02am |
re: #719 Naso Tang
We are talking of money flows here, not how people spend their time
Time is money. Literally, when you're talking about economics, you can express labor as a form of capital investment. You really can. It's kind of nifty, and helps you visualize capitalism in a very helpful way.
People spend time on capital gains projects too,
Some do, it's true. Some get compensated for that, and some don't. But it's not a necessary component of capital gains.
they are not going to risk their savings on a capital investment unless it can give an after tax return that is greater than they can earn working for someone else, taking risk, time and tax into account.
Well, sure they are. Someone will invest money in securities like bonds that give a very low return, because it's a safe investment for the money. Maybe that's what you mean by 'taking risk into account'. But people invest in safe investments with very low rates of return all the time.
As to losses versus gains, yes you can write off losses against gains, but that is irrelevant because it is the net gain or loss that matters, regardless how the risk was spread out.
It's not irrelevant, it's a benefit that capital has that labor lacks. It's an inherent advantage for capital. You can't write off your labor gains from one year against those from another, but it's very easy to do so with capital gains. It's also much easier to time the moment that you accrue tax liability for capital vs. labor.
If the situation demanded it, if we were experiencing chronically low investment, we could definitely lower the capital gains tax rate. But that's not the current state.
| 728 |
Achilles Tang Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:58:54am |
re: #717 lawhawk
Robots - lots of robots. Foxconn, which makes a bunch of stuff for companies you might have heard of (Apple, HP, Dell, etc.) first moved their factory operations to China. Costs kept rising, so they've decided to use robots instead - they claim that they'll shift employees up the processing chain, but we'll see.
Robots in China?
| 729 |
sattv4u2 Wed, Aug 3, 2011 10:59:14am |
re: #720 allegro
and it appears that your business is in a luxury kind of market
Where did I ever state that?
We're a service industry, in telecommunications
| 731 |
lawhawk Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:00:50am |
re: #728 Naso Tang
I think they'll be putting them in Taiwan. Foxconn is based in Taiwan, but built factories in mainland China b/c of lower costs. Now that costs are rising, the company is looking to build robots to replace those jobs...
| 732 |
Interesting Times Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:01:20am |
re: #721 Rightwingconspirator
Remember the Foxxcon suicide scandal? Are Chinese employees really "too expensive"? How can that be? Why not hire more workers to reduce the load? My god, how does that work given Apples amazing cash reserves?
First Robot at Foxconn Facility Commits Suicide
In an effort to alter public perception and to presumably speed efficiency, infamous electronics manufacturer Foxconn has started to replace its human workers with robots, which they hope will be a little more stable than their flesh and blood counterparts.
...
Already though it appears that a number of the machines have succumbed to the same stresses as their human counterparts with at least three devices which have quit completely.
| 733 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:01:57am |
I don't know if this got covered on any of the open threads between now and then, but Westboro Baptist is planning to protest the childrens' funerals in Oslo. The essence of the article states that Phelps and his ilk say the Norwegians "deserved it" for their open support of homosexuality, and that Breivik was essentially a divine messenger. *spit*
| 734 |
Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:03:05am |
re: #733 thedopefishlives
I'd say there's a low chance those visas get granted.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:03:17am |
Pam's pissed...
Little Green Astroturds
Atlas readers, you must have a look at this - thanks to Snowcrash for alerting me to yet another attempt by Sioabookcrop
the well-paid operative plant chuckie cheezy to smear and defame my work. How this assclown can encourage people to write reviews when it's not even in stores boggles the rational mind. But he is not well, infected with the poison of evil.My new book, Stop the Islamization of America: A Practical Guide to the Resistance, is the most important contribution I have made to this terrible fight we are in to save our civilization. Buy it, read it and pass it on. Every American needs to read it amd commit the strategy to memory. It's America's game plan to victory.
Memorize it, just like the Muslims to with the Quran!
| 736 |
Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:03:55am |
re: #733 thedopefishlives
I don't know if this got covered on any of the open threads between now and then, but Westboro Baptist is planning to protest the childrens' funerals in Oslo. The essence of the article states that Phelps and his ilk say the Norwegians "deserved it" for their open support of homosexuality, and that Breivik was essentially a divine messenger. *spit*
Norway can refuse to allow them into the country.
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allegro Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:04:22am |
re: #729 sattv4u2
and it appears that your business is in a luxury kind of market
Where did I ever state that?We're a service industry, in telecommunications
Please note the word "appears." From the things you say here it appears that your position is in the satellite entertainment area. This is a luxury, i.e. nonessential for life maintenance and therefore one of the first things to go when people don't have enough money to pay for rent, food, etc.
Henry Ford really did get it when he paid his employees enough so that they could afford to buy his products. What we're seeing now is companies looking at short term profits on the back of very low wage employees who can't afford their products and thus, what we're seeing now with even WalMart seeing reduced business. It just isn't sustainable for companies in the long run but this reality is ignored for short-term profits.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:04:31am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:04:40am |
re: #734 Obdicut
I'd say there's a low chance those visas get granted.
Not that that's ever really stopped them before. They'll hold a protest at the airport or something.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:04:52am |
re: #727 Obdicut
We are talking at different levels of detail here. The issue is whether there is a macro economics case for making a distinction between certain types of gain (capital) versus others (salaried), and the exact definition of those can be debated to a degree.
This is not something I have personally invented, so you are arguing with the wrong person regarding whether the distinction should or should not exist.
With all due respect, I will go with the economists and my own personal experiences that there is a distinction. Exactly how that distinction is quantified is however not written in stone.
| 741 |
Kragar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:06:08am |
re: #735 Killgore Trout
Pam's pissed...
Little Green Astroturds
Memorize it, just like the Muslims to with the Quran!
The radical Imam of the Counter-Jihad strikes again.
| 742 |
Achilles Tang Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:06:14am |
re: #734 Obdicut
I'd say there's a low chance those visas get granted.
I don't think Americans need visas for Norway.
| 743 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:06:20am |
re: #735 Killgore Trout
VICTORY!!! WHO'S WITH ME!!! no. ok
| 744 |
blueraven Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:07:09am |
re: #735 Killgore Trout
Pam's pissed...
Little Green AstroturdsEvery American needs to read it amd commit the strategy to memory
Memorize it, just like the Muslims to with the Quran!
I feel sorry for her editor.
| 745 |
Simply Sarah Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:07:57am |
re: #742 Naso Tang
I don't think Americans need visas for Norway.
Well, regardless of that, Norway can, as Alouette said, simply refuse to let them in. Or kick them out if they somehow make it in.
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allegro Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:08:42am |
re: #745 Simply Sarah
Well, regardless of that, Norway can, as Alouette said, simply refuse to let them in. Or kick them out if they somehow make it in.
Or put them in jail for inciting bad shit. don't they have such laws?
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Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:09:14am |
| 748 |
allegro Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:09:40am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:10:11am |
re: #746 allegro
Or put them in jail for inciting bad shit. don't they have such laws?
They do and they can. And if you ask me, they definitely should.
| 750 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:10:50am |
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Simply Sarah Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:11:48am |
re: #750 Cannadian Club Akbar
Maybe the editor gets bonuses for every correction.
Where do I sign up?
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Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:13:07am |
re: #740 Naso Tang
The issue is whether there is a macro economics case for making a distinction between certain types of gain (capital) versus others (salaried), and the exact definition of those can be debated to a degree.
No, the issue is how to tax those gains. That's why I'm talking about their differences.
With all due respect, I will go with the economists and my own personal experiences that there is a distinction. Exactly how that distinction is quantified is however not written in stone.
Yeah. Thanks. There's a distinction. There's also the very fun, and very instructive exercise as visualizing labor as a capital contribution over time. This is actually the revolution that Marx started in economics, way back when, and that modern economics incorporate just fine.
The point i'm making is actually about the difference between them, which is what the thought experiment shows. Investment has one negative to it-- that you might lose the initial investment.
Labor has that only in corner cases-- as in, a doctor who gets sued for more than he's made, or a lawyer who's not made enough to pay back his law school loans, etc-- but it still does have it. Mostly, labor has a host of other disadvantages, and investment has a host of advantages.
I'm pointing out that even without a direct tax incentive in the form of a lower rate, investment is still attractive. Where the rate would have to be to start seriously impacting investment is something that could be played around with.
And, again, this may be because of that misconception you had about people not investing if they don't think they'll get a good return. People also hedge their bets in things like bonds, because having money just lying around is the worst possible investment. So, you divide your investment money on a risk spectrum.
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CuriousLurker Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:13:57am |
re: #735 Killgore Trout
Pam's pissed...
Little Green Astroturds...the well-paid operative plant chuckie cheezy to smear and defame my work.Memorize it, just like the Muslims to with the Quran!
So where's my check? Charles isn't holding out on us is he?? //
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:14:47am |
re: #754 CuriousLurker
So where's my check? Charles isn't holding out on us is he?? //
I'd say something about our Zionist checks, but here Crazy Pam is talking about us working for the opposite side, so... WHERE'S MY MONEY?!
| 756 |
Lidane Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:15:49am |
re: #752 Gus 802
The Raving Freakazoid DOES realize that he's bitching about the Ultimate Spider-Man, which is set in an alternate universe from the regular Marvel 'verse?
Also, comics are always killing and recasting, and retconning characters all the time. They're comic books.
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Gus Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:16:52am |
re: #735 Killgore Trout
Pam's pissed...
Little Green AstroturdsMemorize it, just like the Muslims to with the Quran!
...
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Fixed.
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Lidane Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:18:20am |
re: #735 Killgore Trout
Pam's pissed...
How's that different from any other day? She's got to be one of the angriest people I've ever had the displeasure of reading.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:18:27am |
re: #745 Simply Sarah
Well, regardless of that, Norway can, as Alouette said, simply refuse to let them in. Or kick them out if they somehow make it in.
The Norwegians can also place them on an international "No Fly" list so they would not even be allowed to board any airline that has connecting flights to airports near Norway.
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Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:18:31am |
re: #756 Lidane
The Raving Freakazoid DOES realize that he's bitching about the Ultimate Spider-Man, which is set in an alternate universe from the regular Marvel 'verse?
Also, comics are always killing and recasting, and retconning characters all the time. They're comic books.
Yeah, I mean, they made Jesus white. That was like the original retcon.
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Gus Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:18:45am |
re: #756 Lidane
The Raving Freakazoid DOES realize that he's bitching about the Ultimate Spider-Man, which is set in an alternate universe from the regular Marvel 'verse?
Also, comics are always killing and recasting, and retconning characters all the time. They're comic books.
Can we finally call Glenn Beck a racist prick now? Damn. These people are out of their minds. They need to go start their own country somewhere far away from the rest of us normal Americans.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:18:58am |
re: #753 Obdicut
OK, we agree in essence, but in practice I don't think it is feasible to build tax structure to the micro level that you seem to suggest. There will always be overlaps or compromise, or perceived unfairness to some degree, but in the end simplicity is preferred.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:19:12am |
re: #758 Lidane
How's that different from any other day? She's got to be one of the angriest people I've ever had the displeasure of reading.
Maybe she's out of booze.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:21:09am |
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Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:21:33am |
re: #762 Naso Tang
OK, we agree in essence, but in practice I don't think it is feasible to build tax structure to the micro level that you seem to suggest. There will always be overlaps or compromise, or perceived unfairness to some degree, but in the end simplicity is preferred.
I have no idea why you think my idea is more micro or less simple than the current way.
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blueraven Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:22:03am |
re: #756 Lidane
The Raving Freakazoid DOES realize that he's bitching about the Ultimate Spider-Man, which is set in an alternate universe from the regular Marvel 'verse?
Also, comics are always killing and recasting, and retconning characters all the time. They're comic books.
no No NO!
According to one Frum Commentor
Why change Spider-Man at all? Why is it so urgent to do this?
What was lacking or deficient about the white one? What message is being conveyed about a group when it is seen as OK to replace, displace, and co-opt its cultural icons with those from another group? When anyone who expresses any misgivings, unease, offense, or unhappiness about this is viciously demonized and pathologized as a warning to the rest to keep your mouths shut, to hunker down, to put up with it quietly, to avoid career- and respectability-ruining name-calling?
Such a process happening in reverse is beyond taboo, unthinkable. No one even imagined let alone attempted to impose a white “Blade”. That is also revealing.
Comics are modern mythology, tall tales, cultural touchtones and morality teachers. What started with Nick Fury, Kingpin, Heimdall, and others (the Omega Man, etc. etc.) is continuing onward into the big names that ordinary people know.
Face. Palm.
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Interesting Times Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:22:43am |
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CuriousLurker Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:26:28am |
re: #755 thedopefishlives
I'd say something about our Zionist checks, but here Crazy Pam is talking about us working for the opposite side, so... WHERE'S MY MONEY?!
I dunno, you'll have to call the MB's 1-800 number: Press 1 for marketing, press 2 for human resources, press 3 for bookeeping, press...No, no, NOOO, don't press... *line goes dead* //
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Achilles Tang Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:28:37am |
re: #766 Obdicut
I have no idea why you think my idea is more micro or less simple than the current way.
I think this started with you saying
I'd like to change the capital gains tax to to regular income in general, except that it's adjusted for inflation.
That sounds equivalent to simply allowing a depreciation on a capital investment, which is already allowed on many such investments, but that all net gains are taxed as normal income. I think the general consensus is that there is a case for a greater tax distinction, and we will have to agree to disagree on this.
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Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:31:50am |
re: #770 Naso Tang
So you seriously think pegging it to inflation somehow makes it substantially more complex?
You really have completely misunderstood what I've said. I'm not saying to tax them the same on a point of principle. I'm mainly saying it should be a higher tax, but adjusted for inflation.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:37:37am |
re: #749 thedopefishlives
They do and they can. And if you ask me, they definitely should.
I am limited in what I allow myself to say should be done about Westboro 'Baptists' here in the States, because I am a bit of a First Amendment hardass.
If they leave of their own free will, and go somewhere where the writ of the First Amendment does not apply, I hope the people there make their lives as miserable as humanly possible.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:38:04am |
re: #722 lawhawk
Ah yes. And-
By charging $60 for a $3.00 adapter. (produced for $.50) Oh and by doing a pretty good number on record labels. Itunes sing all the way to da bank. :-)
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Achilles Tang Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:38:18am |
re: #771 Obdicut
So you seriously think pegging it to inflation somehow makes it substantially more complex?
You really have completely misunderstood what I've said. I'm not saying to tax them the same on a point of principle. I'm mainly saying it should be a higher tax, but adjusted for inflation.
Depreciation at an arbitrary rate or by inflation still leaves you saying that there should be no difference in tax rates between this and regular income. That is where we disagree. I think, along with most economists I believe, that there is a case for distinct tax rate differences that allows for governmental incentives.
Remember that even now, any short term gain, less than 12 months, IS taxed at ordinary income rates, although I think there are loopholes in that for Wall Street traders, but not for me.
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Lidane Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:39:29am |
re: #767 blueraven
no No NO!
According to one Frum Commentor
Face. Palm.
*sigh*
People are so stupid. The original Spider-Man is still there. This is an alternate universe. It's sort of like Uhura or McCoy dying in the Mirror Universe in Star Trek. The original characters are still there, just not their counterparts.
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Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:40:04am |
re: #774 Naso Tang
Depreciation at an arbitrary rate or by inflation still leaves you saying that there should be no difference in tax rates between this and regular income.
Not really no. I want it brought up to those rates now as an experiment. Again, not a matter of principle for any reason. Just a higher rate, and it's a good one to start with.
. I think, along with most economists I believe, that there is a case for distinct tax rate differences that allows for governmental incentives.
Great. So do I. No clue how you're missing this at this point.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:41:29am |
re: #752 Gus 802
Well, he can't have one. But there's generations of comic books and three movies starring Peter Parker, and he can go over those as many times as he likes.
I'm with one of the commenters over there--how was Spiderman being white 'tradition'? He just happened to be white. Anyone could have gotten bit by a radioactive spider and decided to use his new powers to clean up the streets.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:43:49am |
re: #756 Lidane
The Raving Freakazoid DOES realize that he's bitching about the Ultimate Spider-Man, which is set in an alternate universe from the regular Marvel 'verse?
Also, comics are always killing and recasting, and retconning characters all the time. They're comic books.
And there is a huge audience of readers out there who actually do like seeing some superheroes they share an ethnicity with. If Glenn Beck doubts this, he should consider why he, a grown man, is losing his shit over the prospect that Spider-Man will no longer look like him.
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engineer cat Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:49:21am |
peter parker
so, nu, where is the jewish superhero? a person wouldn't die from it!
batmensch and rubin don't really fit the bill..
ZETZ!
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 3, 2011 11:58:43am |
re: #779 engineer dog
peter parker
so, nu, where is the jewish superhero? a person wouldn't die from it!
batmensch and rubin don't really fit the bill..
ZETZ!
That's more complicated. A lot of the early comic-book greats (the writers and artists, not the heroes) were Jewish, but they created Anglo characters because they sold. It's an interesting phenomenon. Happened in Hollywood as well. Tony Curtis would never have made it as Bernie Schwartz.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Aug 3, 2011 12:12:49pm |
re: #776 Obdicut
No clue how you're missing this at this point.
You have a habit of making statements that you have no clue, or similar, when debating. You should realize that it reflects more on yourself than the other party.
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Obdicut Wed, Aug 3, 2011 1:45:17pm |
re: #781 Naso Tang
You have a habit of making statements that you have no clue, or similar, when debating. You should realize that it reflects more on yourself than the other party.
I do have that habit, because people so often say things that are contradictory or self-defeating. I'd like capital gains treated as regular income, I think that the benefits inherent in investment vs. labor still provides an incentive. If it turned out not to be true, if those rates actually depressed investment significantly-- or, rather, shifted it to the low-risk investments-- then we could adjust it downwards.
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