Breivik Inspiration ‘Fjordman’ Reveals Identity

White nationalist blogger revealed as Peder Jensen
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I strongly encourage any journalists writing about the no-longer anonymous blogger ‘Fjordman’ to actually read what this person has written, because you’ll discover that his disavowals and deflections are designed to cover up not only far right opinions, but overt white supremacism. Over the years, Peder Jensen has become increasingly open about his racism, and it’s quite easy to find examples in his recent writings.

Here’s the story about Fjordman’s true identity, as he scrambles to delink his views from the mass murderer he inspired: ‘Fjordman’ reveals identity.

36 year-old Peder Jensen has given an interview to Norwegian newspaper VG where he reveals that he is the man behind the “Fjordman” blog referenced repeatedly in the online manifesto of Oslo and Utøya attacks suspect Anders Behring Breivik.

After being identified by the police and subsequently questioned on Thursday afternoon, Jensen met reporters from VG at an Oslo café. He chose to use his real name after receiving advice from a lawyer, and has asked the media to leave him and his family alone. He also confirmed that he would never again use the pseudonym “Fjordman” because he does not “wish to be associated with Breivik and his horrible actions.”

“Fjordman” has been described by a follow as a “prophet” among the new right-wing extremists who admire his anti-Islamic views, contributing extensively to anti-Islamic websites and being quoted by many “anti-Jihad” blogs in the USA.

Exchanged emails with Breivik

Jensen told VG that he had “warned” his family in advance about shedding his anonymity, adding that “because of my own safety, I’m now going into hiding.” He had felt it was his “duty” to cooperate with the police investigation and decided to be interviewed under his real name because it “eventually would have emerged anyway, resulting in a media frenzy.” Jensen commented, “it is also a way for me to clear my name.”

The blogger disclosed that he had exchanged a number of emails with Breivik in 2009 and 2010. Breivik told Jensen that he was writing a book and asked if they could meet. Jensen turned down the offer “not because of his extreme views, but because he didn’t seem very interesting – like a vacuum cleaner salesman.” “‘Pie in the sky,’ I thought to myself when I re-read the emails,” Jensen added. He confirmed investigators had confiscated his computer, stressing that “they won’t find anything on my computer regarding any criminal matters or Breivik.” VG suggests that Jensen “feels that the police are looking to implicate him.”

Meanwhile, at Andrew Breitbart’s “Big Peace” website (Breitbart’s deranged anti-Muslim outlet, featuring the conspiracy theories of Frank Gaffney), “counter-jihad” loon Andrew Bostom whines about the media’s characterization of Jensen as “far right,” and offers yet another ludicrous excuse for Peder Jensen’s influence on Anders Behring Breivik: Fjordman, Fairness, And The Brevik [sic] Mass Murderer.

Today my colleague, the perspicacious Norwegian essayist Fjordman (whose prolific writings can be read here), was compelled to surrender his anonymity after reluctantly granting an interview to Verdans Gang (published in English, here).

An hysterical, morally cretinous press and blogosphere—Norwegian, other European, and American—which had initially accused Fjordman, falsely and recklessly, of being the Brevik mass murderer, continues to persist that he was Brevik’s “main inspiration,” a charge akin to accusing the Beatles of “inspiring” Charles Manson, or Jody Foster “inspiring” John Hinckley.

Neither the Beatles nor Jodie Foster ever wrote or said anything that directly inspired those murderers. There are no links between them, other than the random obsessions of deranged minds.

Bostom is trying to get his audience to overlook the fact that Breivik’s ideology and motivations were exactly identical to the ideology of Fjordman and the “counter-jihad” bloggers.

UPDATE at 8/5/11 10:18:34 am

For just one example of Fjordman’s overt white supremacism, here’s his post at “Gates of Vienna” in 2009, predicting race wars and Muslim-Christian conflicts in “white majority” countries: Gates of Vienna: The Coming Crash.

If the Soviet Union was the Evil Empire then the USA is the Diversity Empire, committed to spreading Multiculturalism and genetic Communism around the world, especially to white majority countries.

[…]

When I see how Nidal Hasan was treated by the US military I don’t think I want these people involved in my affairs. They would probably say that native Euros are Nazis who oppress the poor Muslims. Then they would bomb us and say it is for our own good, just like they did to the Serbs. The United States will not survive this century. It will be split into several countries according to ethnic, racial and perhaps even ideological lines. There is no such thing as a universal nation. People want to live with their own kind. The only ones who are not allowed to do so are whites, and they are starting to get tired of this double standard.

[…]

Self-preservation is a natural instinct for all living things down to plants and bacteria. It’s about time that whites reclaim the same right without apology. I am increasingly convinced that the developments we are witnessing are deliberate. The lies we are being served are virtually identical in every Western country. I’ve had some discussions about this with my friend Ohmyrus who thinks this is about a structural failure in our political system. I don’t necessarily disagree with that, but I also believe there is a planned long-term goal of breaking down all white majority nations to create a new global oligarchy. Anti-white ideologies are now taught in every Western university and were arguably elevated to national ideology in the USA with the election of Obama.

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293 comments
1 Schadenfreude 'r' Us  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:54:03am

Going into hiding? Aren't the people who might become shooters all on his side?

2 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:56:32am

They weren't just identical. Breivik used the same exact terms, cited to Fjordman extensively, and looked at Geller and Spencer in an approving manner.

They are joined at the hip through a common cause and a common language of hate of all things Muslim (and xenophobia more generally).

3 dragonfire1981  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:01:49am

He revealed his identity in an attempt to cash in on his newfound notoriety...I bet the speaking gigs are already lined up.

4 theheat  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:06:15am

Are these the terrorists concerned white Christian people it's okay to pal around with, then? Better ask Sarah.

5 Kragar  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:07:37am

When the guy writes a 1500 page manifesto echoing your blog, quoting you verbatim, and puts your statements into action, you inspired him.

Basic reasoning is not Fjordy's strong point.

6 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:08:11am
Over the years, Peder Jensen has become increasingly open about his racism, and it’s quite easy to find examples in his recent writings.

I would include some examples in the front post. People are lazy.

7 makeitstop  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:08:12am

He doesn't want to be associated with Breivik?

A little late for that, isn't it?

8 Thaara  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:09:08am

I found a video about it:
Your text to link...

9 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:11:36am

re: #8 Thaara

I found a video about it:
Your text to link...

You can embed YouTube videos by just posting the URL:

10 Thaara  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:14:58am

re: #9 000G

Nice, thanks.

11 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:15:31am

re: #6 000G

I would include some examples in the front post. People are lazy.

Here's a little sample from one example from August 07, 2005:

[...]

A multicultural society implies that all cultures are granted equal status. Isn't it then by definition an encroachment on the rights of the native population if they have to subdue their cultural identity to please people who just moved there out of their own, free will? In Norway, our authorities seem to solve this dilemma by simply stating that this is a terra nullis, a land without people or at least a land without culture. The rights of the Norwegian people don't count because the Norwegian people doesn't exist. Perhaps the time has come to challenge this assertion?

12 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:18:56am

re: #6 000G

I would include some examples in the front post. People are lazy.

Now updated.

13 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:19:36am

Fjordy says of Breivik's emails to him:

“‘Pie in the sky,’ I thought to myself when I re-read the emails,” Jensen added.

Doesn't that mean he admired the goals, but figured they were unobtainable? "Pie" is good, "in the sky" is out of reach.

14 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:20:52am

Violence in defense of lutefisk and wool sweaters? Really?

Wouldn't it have been easier to work to schedule some sort of Norwegian Culture Fest--and invite everyone? A big party where we learn about Norwegian culture. Bands. Food. Crafts. Knitting. Something to eat that isn't pickled fish.

And everyone would be happy.

15 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:21:36am

re: #11 wrenchwench

Here's a little sample from one example from August 07, 2005:

Sounds familiar:

(that guy is a frequent guest on Andrew Napolitano's show Freedom Watch, btw)

16 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:22:07am

re: #13 wrenchwench

Fjordy says of Breivik's emails to him:

Doesn't that mean he admired the goals, but figured they were unobtainable? "Pie" is good, "in the sky" is out of reach.

Yep. Pie in the Sky is the impossible dream that's really wonderful but unobtainable.

17 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:22:40am

re: #12 Charles

Now updated.

Thank you. For people who have been around, this is old news. But I think a lot of people are only now paying attention, and it would be sad to lose momentum to the right-wing obfuscationers and liars just because the obvious wasn't pointed out.

18 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:24:59am

re: #14 EmmmieG

I guess he'd never been in Trondheim for St. Olav's festival.

19 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:25:21am

re: #16 Obdicut

Yep. Pie in the Sky is the impossible dream that's really wonderful but unobtainable.

So that's what was under the Navi tree on Pandora? PIE?

20 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:26:36am

re: #19 Alouette

I like Avatar references all the more because I haven't seen this movie. It makes the people making them seem exotic and using the jargon of some faraway land.

21 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:26:57am

re: #14 EmmmieG

Violence in defense of lutefisk and wool sweaters? Really?

Wouldn't it have been easier to work to schedule some sort of Norwegian Culture Fest--and invite everyone? A big party where we learn about Norwegian culture. Bands. Food. Crafts. Knitting. Something to eat that isn't pickled fish.

And everyone would be happy.

One of the immigrant girls killed on Utoya had saved up to buy a traditional Norwegian costume. I doubt that's the kind of cultural preservation Breivik or Fjordy would approve of.

22 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:29:38am

re: #20 Obdicut

I like Avatar references all the more because I haven't seen this movie. It makes the people making them seem exotic and using the jargon of some faraway land.

If you do see it, DO NOT watch it on DVD or Blu Ray. Without the 3D IMAX to enjoy the eye candy, it totally sucks.

23 The Yankee  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:29:39am

I don't see why you guys are making such a big deal about this. He just a more nicer gentler version of our Pat Buchanan//

24 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:31:14am

re: #23 The Yankee

I don't see why you guys are making such a big deal about this. He just a more nicer gentler version of our Pat Buchanan//

Coincidentally, Jack Hunter, whom I pointed out in #15, is a big Pat Buchanan fan and IIRC actually made his entry into politics as one of his campaign supporters.

25 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:33:28am

re: #10 Thaara

Nice, thanks.

You're welcome. Might I ask you: Why do you link to a page that has Jihad Watch as the first one of their recommended links in the top navbar?

26 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:35:59am

One does get the sense that Fjordman only disapproves of Brevick's methods.

27 The Yankee  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:36:48am

re: #26 Obdicut

One does get the sense that Fjordman only disapproves of Brevick's methods.

correction he SAYS he disproves.

28 S'latch  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:36:49am

He describes Breivik's e-mails as "pie in the sky?" (a prospect of future happiness which is unlikely to be realized?). That is very weird.

29 Big Steve  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:38:58am

I have a theory if anyone cares......all new technology involved in communication starts out where the novelty of the technology overwhelms the message. True of telephones a hundred years ago....then radio....then TV....now the Internet and in particular blogging. But as time goes by the technology newness fades and the message becomes front and center. The advent of easy blogging five to 10 years ago is the same. At first it was novel and just about anyone could develop a following, something not possible with established media. And at first everyone understood that one put on a false persona and it was all well just fun and good for verbal jousting. But that has passed. Blogging is now just a conventional form of media and anyone who runs a site needs to know that they do have responsibility for the outlet and you literally "can't" disavow yourself from what others do with your communication output any more than the NY Times can. While I am rarely in the mainstream on this site and often find that we do often disprove the adage "that you can't beat a dead horse" by beating the carcass over and over.....what I have found here is the host does take very seriously the responsibility of owning a site like this.

30 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:39:01am

re: #26 Obdicut

One does get the sense that Fjordman only disapproves of Brevick's methods.

I've been meaning to say this for a couple of days now but always forgot:

The way that a lot of people disagree with Breivik's methods but agree with him in principle, like Buchanan, reminds me how a lot of Germans talked about the Holocaust immediately after the war. "The Final Solution was over the top, but something had to be done!"

31 Alexzander  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:40:33am

Did Fjordman actually have an account on LGF or did he just manage to get Charles to post a couple things on the front page?

If he had an account someone should search through that and see if there is any evidence of encouraging violence. What are the laws like in Norway for 'hate speech' and 'inciting violence'?

32 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:40:47am

re: #28 Lawrence Schmerel

He describes Breivik's e-mails as "pie in the sky?" (a prospect of future happiness which is unlikely to be realized?). That is very weird.

Might be a translation error on the part of the editor. Maybe someone who is literate in Norwegian could help out here.

33 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:41:56am

re: #31 Alexzander

Did Fjordman actually have an account on LGF or did he just manage to get Charles to post a couple things on the front page?

If he had an account someone should search through that and see if there is any evidence of encouraging violence. What are the laws like in Norway for 'hate speech' and 'inciting violence'?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

34 The Yankee  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:43:14am

re: #30 000G

I've been meaning to say this for a couple of days now but always forgot:

The way that a lot of people disagree with Breivik's methods but agree with him in principle, like Buchanan, reminds me how a lot of Germans talked about the Holocaust immediately after the war. "The Final Solution was over the top, but something had to be done!"

The ironic thing is, isn't this how a some Muslim extremist re-act when there is a terrorist attack that turns out not to be popular that happens in their name?

35 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:43:21am

re: #32 000G

Might be a translation error on the part of the editor. Maybe someone who is literate in Norwegian could help out here.

I am thinking this because idioms and phrases are often very hard to translate literally.

36 Alexzander  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:46:11am

re: #33 000G

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Woah- so some older members must remember him posting.
Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately?), you cant search through his comments though.

37 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:46:53am

re: #25 000G

You're welcome. Might I ask you: Why do you link to a page that has Jihad Watch as the first one of their recommended links in the top navbar?

Among others. O:

38 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:47:13am

re: #36 Alexzander

Woah- so some older members must remember him posting.
Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately?), you cant search through his comments though.

Sure you can.

39 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:47:29am

re: #36 Alexzander

Woah- so some older members must remember him posting.
Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately?), you cant search through his comments though.

You can search for comments. You just gotta specify a date range. Click on the calendar symbol.

40 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:48:29am

re: #36 Alexzander

Woah- so some older members must remember him posting.
Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately?), you cant search through his comments though.

He used to post these long, turgid rants that were so thick they were practically unreadable. When Stinky dropped the banhammer, all his posts were wiped.

41 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:48:30am

I thought Charles deleted his stuff.

42 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:48:33am

re: #31 Alexzander

Did Fjordman actually have an account on LGF or did he just manage to get Charles to post a couple things on the front page?

If he had an account someone should search through that and see if there is any evidence of encouraging violence. What are the laws like in Norway for 'hate speech' and 'inciting violence'?

Posts that encourage violence have never been allowed at LGF, and would have caused Fjordman to be banned. I'm fairly sure no advocation of any kind of violence was ever posted by Fjordman here, but if someone finds such a comment I'll certainly report it to Norwegian authorities.

43 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:48:53am

re: #4 theheat

Are these the terrorists concerned white Christian people it's okay to pal around with, then? Better ask Sarah.

From Borowitz: Biden apologizes to Tea Party: "Did I say terrorists? I meant axe murderers."

44 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:49:51am

re: #41 EmmmieG

I thought Charles deleted his stuff.

No - I deleted my own links to his essays. His comments are still visible to registered users. To search for them, you have to set a date range in the search form.

45 Alexzander  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:49:57am

re: #39 000G

You can search for comments. You just gotta specify a date range. Click on the calendar symbol.

Thanks - I'm a bit of an interface idiot sometimes. I just realized a month or two ago that you can click on our avatars to get our karma score and how long we've been registered for.

46 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:50:18am

re: #39 000G

You can search for comments. You just gotta specify a date range. Click on the calendar symbol.

And no point looking after Halloween, 2007, looks like.

BTW: I am now leaving the comments section here at LGF, at least for some time. I've tried to reason with people here, but its abundantly clear that neither Charles not many of his readers have any interest whatsoever of having an actual debate about these things, and certainly not about the real threats to freedom in Europe.

[...]

47 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:50:26am

No such thing as a peaceful muslim:

No, a Muslim cannot dismiss Jihad as warfare. Jihad isn't exclusively about violence, but no war ever is. It is also about breaking the enemy's economy, breaking his spirit through propaganda etc.

What a sweetheart. ///

48 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:51:16am

re: #11 wrenchwench

Here's a little sample from one example from August 07, 2005:

Yeah. Hey, Fjordman, people like you have been saying that America can't stand as a nation for quite some time now. How's that prediction working out for you?

49 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:51:54am

re: #48 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah. Hey, Fjordman, people like you have been saying that America can't stand as a nation for quite some time now. How's that prediction working out for you?

We're supposed to be typing in Spanish by now.

50 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:52:23am

Hmm.

Shop online for science toys, I mean educational equipment, or read the rants of Fjordman.

Not. Feeling. Like. A. Martyr.

Sorry.

51 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:52:33am

re: #49 wrenchwench

We're supposed to be typing in Spanish by now.

Que?

52 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:52:54am

Here's a comment directed at Killgore Trout, when he pointed out that Fjordman seemed to have some skinhead allies:

Killgore Trout :

The shaved head leads me to believe that this young man might be a white supremacist Skinhead.

Fuck you! Do you know how many people I know who have shave heads, including hardcore Leftists? You have basically just decided that any European is a Nazi and deserves whatever is coming his way.

53 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:53:39am

re: #49 wrenchwench

We're supposed to be typing in Spanish by now.

¿Que pasa?

54 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:54:15am

re: #14 EmmmieG

Violence in defense of lutefisk and wool sweaters? Really?

Wouldn't it have been easier to work to schedule some sort of Norwegian Culture Fest--and invite everyone? A big party where we learn about Norwegian culture. Bands. Food. Crafts. Knitting. Something to eat that isn't pickled fish.

And everyone would be happy.

They have those. All sorts of cultural events. People do it in the States as well. (Of course, we do LOTS of cultures, on various dates.)

But he doesn't mean 'culture', he means 'the ability to get through your whole day without seeing anyone from a different culture, and without having to give another culture a second thought'.

55 jaunte  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:54:41am

re: #31 Alexzander

Fjordman has been careful to write that someone ought to 'rebel' against democracy, leftists and the 'threat' of Muslim immigration without defining exactly how that should be done.
From his essay 'Defeating Eurabia":

The most important thing to realize is that democracy is a tool, a means we use to achieve an end. Too many people today confuse it with the end itself. “Democracy” has come to mean something that is good, something everybody wants, a bit like sex or chocolate. But there is no rational reason to assume that democracy of universal suffrage is uniformly good and can be applied with equal success in all circumstances, a huge mistake Americans made in a predominantly Muslims country such as Iraq, where “democracy” and majority rule simply means sharia and state-sponsored harassment of minorities.

Leading Islamic scholar Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi and others have hailed the coming Islamic conquest of Rome, just like Constantinople was conquered in 1453. “Islam will return to Europe as a conqueror and victor, after being expelled from it twice. Islam entered Europe twice and left it… Perhaps we will conquer these lands without armies.” The Saudi Sheikh Muhammad bin Abd Al-Rahman Al-’Arifi, imam of the mosque of King Fahd Defense Academy, concurred: “We will control the land of the Vatican; we will control Rome and introduce Islam in it. Yes, the Christians…will yet pay us the Jizya [poll tax paid by non-Muslims under Muslim rule], in humiliation, or they will convert to Islam…”

Unless native Europeans rebel against the unholy alliance of power-hungry left-wingers, selfish and short-sighted businessmen and treasonous EU elites who continue to import Muslims to our shores, Mr. Qaradawi could end up being right in his predictions.

56 Kragar  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:55:21am

re: #51 EmmmieG

Que?

0101011101101000011000010111010000111111

57 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:55:55am

Outer Space Explorer Science Fun Kit. $12.95.

Awfully cheap for a rocket ride into space, really.

(There's an alien on the front of the package. I'm pretty sure that's just marketing.)

58 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:55:59am

If you're going to look at old Fjordy comments, be warned: The walls-o'-text may fall on you.

Read fast, or risk getting mired.

59 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:56:06am

re: #46 wrenchwench

And no point looking after Halloween, 2007, looks like.

In one of his last posts he rants against Stieg Larsson. That name has come up recently again:

Mother Jones: Anders Breivik, Stieg Larsson, and the Men with the Nazi Tattoos

Scandinavia is small…

60 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:56:10am

re: #34 The Yankee

The ironic thing is, isn't this how a some Muslim extremist re-act when there is a terrorist attack that turns out not to be popular that happens in their name?

Of course. This is a classic response to something you won't condemn, but don't want to actually come out and cheer for. "He HAD to do it."

61 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:56:41am

re: #36 Alexzander

Woah- so some older members must remember him posting.
Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately?), you cant search through his comments though.

He was before my time.

I think Charles nuked his comments, but they may be stored somewhere? Dunno.

62 Alexzander  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:57:00am

Unless I'm missing some serious context, here is a great example of some deep sexism from sir Fjordman:

#34 Fjordman :: Wed, Sep 19, 2007 at 3:58:21 pm
#20: The sad part is, Summers was probably correct. There are disproportionate numbers of men among those with extremely high intelligence. Almost all geniuses are men, although most morons are also men. Accordingly, men will probably always outperform women at the highest levels of academia.

63 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:57:45am

re: #59 000G

In one of his last posts he rants against Stieg Larsson. That name has come up recently again:

Mother Jones: Anders Breivik, Stieg Larsson, and the Men with the Nazi Tattoos

Scandinavia is small…

I read an article about Stieg Larsson recently, of whom I was pretty ignorant, but when it mentioned Expo, I thought, "hey, I remember that from LGF".

64 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:58:27am

re: #62 Alexzander

Unless I'm missing some serious context, here is a great example of some deep sexism from sir Fjordman:

Well-rounded pig, he is.

65 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:58:37am

Once again - A History of Islamist Violence in Norway

1986: assassination attempt. Foiled. No casualties.
2003: Firebombing of empty synagogue. No casualties.

I can begin to understand if people perceive a certain threat to their culture and waa of life, if they organize, protest and disseminate information via media channels.

But advocating, preparing for and now even executing acts of mass mayhem? And then defending the latter after the fact as somehow justified by extenuating social and political circumstances? Puh-leeez...

66 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:58:37am

re: #49 wrenchwench

We're supposed to be typing in Spanish by now.

Sí, guardo el olvidar...

67 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:59:03am

re: #61 SanFranciscoZionist

He was before my time.

I think Charles nuked his comments, but they may be stored somewhere? Dunno.


I guess they are still here.

68 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:59:46am

re: #52 Charles

Here's a comment directed at Killgore Trout, when he pointed out that Fjordman seemed to have some skinhead allies:

Fuck you! Do you know how many people I know who have shave heads, including hardcore Leftists? You have basically just decided that any European is a Nazi and deserves whatever is coming his way.

Fuck you! Do you know how many people I know who have shave heads, including hardcore Leftists? You have basically just decided that any European is a Nazi and deserves whatever is coming his way.

Well, my rabbi did once complain that now perfectly nice young men shaved their heads and wore Doc Martens, 'for fashion', and it was hard to identify skinheads when you saw them.

69 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:59:54am

re: #65 ralphieboy

Once again - A History of Islamist Violence in Norway

1986: assassination attempt. Foiled. No casualties.
2003: Firebombing of empty synagogue. No casualties.

Contrast with [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

70 Kragar  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:59:55am
71 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:01:25am

re: #68 SanFranciscoZionist

Fuck you! Do you know how many people I know who have shave heads, including hardcore Leftists? You have basically just decided that any European is a Nazi and deserves whatever is coming his way.

Well, my rabbi did once complain that now perfectly nice young men shaved their heads and wore Doc Martens, 'for fashion', and it was hard to identify skinheads when you saw them.

My friends with totally bald heads usually do it because they were going bald anyway, and they don't like the fringe. No doc martens.

Certainly better than a comb-over.

72 Dutch Duncan  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:01:51am

The guy is a white nationalist, but I don't see him calling to murder Norwegian children, let alone do it himself. I think that's still a big difference. In the article he seems genuinly shocked by the killing spree of Breivik. He appears to have a conscience unlike the psychopath Breivik.

It's much too easy to say, that because of his writings Breivik did his killing. Too much guilt by association. Although influenced by other people eventually everybody makes his own choices and must bear his own burden.

73 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:01:54am

re: #69 000G


thank you for sorting out the details. one person did get hurt, and I confused the dates.

74 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:02:08am

re: #68 SanFranciscoZionist

Fuck you! Do you know how many people I know who have shave heads, including hardcore Leftists? You have basically just decided that any European is a Nazi and deserves whatever is coming his way.

Well, my rabbi did once complain that now perfectly nice young men shaved their heads and wore Doc Martens, 'for fashion', and it was hard to identify skinheads when you saw them.

I have a pair of Doc Martens. I don't shave my head, tho.

75 Alexzander  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:02:17am

Fjordman (and Breivik) seem to be projectionists, par excellence, emboding the hateful dimensions they prescribe to 'the left' and Islam:


172 Fjordman
9/19/2007 5:11:30 pm PDT

2+
That the Left has not been more nihilistic and murderous is not its fault; it has had to moderate itself as it quietly spread corruption throughout the body politic.
I have been warning against this for some time. I have had long discussions as whether or not cultural Marxism is Marxism at all, or whether it is too far removed from traditional Marxism. They do place a greater emphasis on culture now than they originally did. Gramsci modified the economic determinism of Karl Marx because he perceived it (correctly) to be a quasi-religious doctrine. But they have retained their totalitarian nature, and their goals never changed as much as their strategies.

In order to break down any culture and create your Socialist society, you have to first break down the religion and the family structure, the foundation wall of any civilization. Since the West is a civilization with a special emphasis on reason, they had to break down that, too. If you look closely at the situation, this is exactly what has happened over the past generations. The Left has almost removed all impediments to their ideological hegemony, and when they sense that the time has come, mass murders will commence again. They always do.

What is also unusual (for people absorbed in hateful ideologies) about both Breivik and Fjordman is that they seem to be well better read than most.

76 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:03:06am

what is generic communism? that the workers should seize control of the means of reproduction?

77 jaunte  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:03:17am

Gates of Vienna mourning Fjordman's retirement:

Now his “brand” has been forcibly retired. But this doesn’t mean that Fjordman’s work will come to an end. As his long-time readers know, Fjordman is completely dedicated to the cause of reclaiming and upholding European civilization — not through murder and destruction, as his supposed admirer Anders Behring Breivik chose to do, but rather by honest discussion and legitimate peaceful action through the political process.

This is what we all believe in here at Gates of Vienna. Our goal is to be outspoken enough to prevent what must otherwise surely come. If we who love our civilization and culture do not stand up now, then certain violence awaits us. Our enemies have declared this clearly over and over again, and we would be fools to disregard their stated intentions. By utilizing our current — and precarious — right to free speech, and by raising public awareness of what is being planned, we hope to avert the violence and degradation that the Islamization of the West will inevitably entail.

For the record: Fjordman is the best of us.(1) He is not just a brilliant scholar and a fine writer, but also the most decent, gentle, and humane person I have ever met. He is a man of utmost integrity, and it shines through in his dealings with others as well as in the millions(2) of words he has written.
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]


(1) shockingly low standards
(2) maybe should read million and millions

78 Alexzander  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:04:39am

re: #75 Alexzander

Sorry - the last sentence that is my own.

79 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:04:46am

Fjordman and his merry crew knew the true nature and appeal of Bat Ye'or and Oriana Fallaci long before Charles did.

80 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:05:15am

re: #66 SanFranciscoZionist

Sí, guardo el olvidar...

Ghah. Just figured out what's wrong with that statement.

Let's try this again:

Si, olvido siempre.

81 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:05:28am

re: #76 ralphieboy

what is generic communism? that the workers should seize control of the means of reproduction?


generic communism sounds better than genetic. the symbol would be a generic means of hitting something together with a generic of cutting something.

and how would this stack up against capitalism, monarchism, or fascism in a poll?

82 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:05:45am

re: #70 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Chris Christie: "This Shariah law business is crap."

An honest man at the end of his rope.

83 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:06:35am

re: #70 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Chris Christie: "This Shariah law business is crap."

Seriously, this shit wasn't funny to begin with, but when it turns into actually opposing the actual appointing of an actual well-respected judge because he's Muslim...bad shit, ladies and gentlemen.

84 jaunte  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:06:46am
As his long-time readers know, Fjordman is completely dedicated to the cause of reclaiming and upholding European civilization — not through murder and destruction, as his supposed admirer Anders Behring Breivik chose to do, but rather by honest discussion and legitimate peaceful action through the political process.


Since the GoV owners have been reading Fjordman carefully, they know what he thought of democracy when it didn't go his way, and they know they're telling a lie.

85 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:06:56am

Hmm. Awesome Experiments in Electricity & Magnetism. $5.25.

Yeah, but will it explain how they work?

86 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:07:14am

re: #82 SanFranciscoZionist

An honest man at the end of his rope.


Perhaps a far-sighted politician with an eye on 2016, hoping that by then the party will have taken such a drubbing that it abandons the Tea Party and starts looking for reasonable candidates able to appeal to the center and to minorities.

87 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:07:17am

re: #68 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, my rabbi did once complain that now perfectly nice young men shaved their heads and wore Doc Martens, 'for fashion', and it was hard to identify skinheads when you saw them.


As I recall that conversation was early in the discovery that eurofascists were joining the counterjihad movement. Certainly not all people with shaved heads are skinheads, it's a common fasion statement with folks like the EDL.

88 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:07:59am

Dow +110

89 Alexzander  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:08:11am

re: #86 ralphieboy

Perhaps a far-sighted politician with an eye on 2016, hoping that by then the party will have taken such a drubbing that it abandons the Tea Party and starts looking for reasonable candidates able to appeal to the center and to minorities.

For the sake of the nation lets hope.

90 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:08:37am

re: #72 Dutch Duncan

The guy is a white nationalist, but I don't see him calling to murder Norwegian children, let alone do it himself. I think that's still a big difference. In the article he seems genuinly shocked by the killing spree of Breivik. He appears to have a conscience unlike the psychopath Breivik.

It's much too easy to say, that because of his writings Breivik did his killing. Too much guilt by association. Although influenced by other people eventually everybody makes his own choices and must bear his own burden.

Jensen (Fjordy) posted this:

In Norway, our authorities seem to solve this dilemma by simply stating that this is a terra nullis, a land without people or at least a land without culture. The rights of the Norwegian people don't count because the Norwegian people doesn't exist. Perhaps the time has come to challenge this assertion?

He was already considering that perhaps some action needed to be taken against "our authorities" because of their lack of defense of traditional culture. And that was in 2005. They is little difference, except that Breivik chose to act. Fjordy said he was horrified, but he didn't say he was surprised.

91 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:08:52am

re: #88 Killgore Trout

Dow +110

Thank you for taking the Dow Jones Roller Coaster ride. Please exit to your right (or left, take your pick), being certain to take all belongings with you. If you have any left.

Have a good day.

92 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:09:15am

re: #83 SanFranciscoZionist

Seriously, this shit wasn't funny to begin with, but when it turns into actually opposing the actual appointing of an actual well-respected judge because he's Muslim...bad shit, ladies and gentlemen.


Knee -jerk reaction against anything vaguely Muslim has really become fashionable, starting with the GZMosque rant-and-rave-a-ganza, to Pammy G's outrage against Campbell's soup going halal or people in Arizona complaining abainst using the Arabic term "haboob" to describe a sandstorm...

93 Gus  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:09:16am

From Gate of Vienna (cached link)

Of Negroes and Minarets

94 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:09:40am

re: #69 000G

The Islamists attacking the Nordic Nations (save Denmark) tend to be dipshits, as they those nations are not much of targets.

Which leads to lots of bungled or failed attacks, fortunately.

Sweden needs to worry more about some idiots making Nuclear Reactors in their kitchen, for example.

95 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:10:34am

Hahaha, oh wow:

LGFers base their world-view on the existence of a moderate Islam, which doesn't exist, and on the existence of a large and rabid network of neo-Nazis in Europe, which also doesn't exist. Neo-Nazi groups do exist, but they are generally quite marginal, for the very simple reason that people don't like them. I agree that they should be watched, but they are far down the list of enemies of freedom in Europe right now, behind Muslims, Leftists and the European Union. You're not behaving in a rational manner. The only theoretical reason why even a fraction of Europeans would embrace real extremists groups would be if they have their backs against the wall and everybody else has abandoned them. That's exactly what we're trying to avoid with this network. The only thing Charles will achieve with these posts is to delay the formation of anti-Islamization efforts in Europe and thus drive people further into the hands of the few extremist groups that do exist. I don't care whether that is the intention or not, that is the actual result.

From Fjordman's last post. Could have come right out Breivik's manifesto: Self-victimization with the "everybody calls us European freedom lovers nazi" straw man, railing against Leftists and the European Union in cohorts with the Muslims.

96 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:10:41am

re: #94 ProLifeLiberal

Sweden needs to worry more about some idiots making Nuclear Reactors in their kitchen, for example.

and even more careful that the lutefisk doesn't turn toxic on them...

97 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:10:55am

re: #95 000G

Oh yeah, and the "a moderate Islam does not exist" meme.

98 Gambini  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:11:46am

By the way, seems our friend Fjordman is on the dole--->
[Link: ktwop.wordpress.com...]

According to his tax record, his annual earnings are between 0 and 11.000$.
And I guess you all know Norway is one of the richest countries in the world, and has one of the most generous Welfare programs in the world.

Seems our friend works just the minimum (when he's forced by the state, I guess), to secure his Welfare checks.
OH Irony!
This is the same Fjordman who always bitches about unemployed immigrants abusing Europe's generous social benefits and how they are lazy and rapacious, who don't contribute nothing to society.

99 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:12:06am

re: #93 Gus 802

From Gate of Vienna (cached link)

Of Negroes and Minarets

KGS of Tundra Tabloids

Also an old-time Lizard, no?

100 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:12:45am

re: #95 000G

Hahaha, oh wow:

From Fjordman's last post. Could have come right out Breivik's manifesto: Self-victimization with the "everybody calls us European freedom lovers nazi" straw man, railing against Leftists and the European Union in cohorts with the Muslims.

He's a big whiner.

101 Gus  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:13:01am

re: #99 000G

Also an old-time Lizard, no?

I think so. I did this search negro site:gatesofvienna.blogspot.com Plenty to be found there. The place is dripping with racist and defensive racist scum.

102 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:13:52am

re: #74 Alouette

I have a pair of Doc Martens. I don't shave my head, tho.

If you were Satmar, though...

103 The Yankee  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:15:35am

Just can not wait to see how life will be during the presidential elections. Their are going to be a ton of people that will forget to use their dog whistles.

104 The Yankee  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:16:53am

re: #74 Alouette

I have a pair of Doc Martens. I don't shave my head, tho.

I think to be a skinhead you need docs and either white or red laces through them.
Their are anti racist skinheads.

105 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:16:53am

re: #100 wrenchwench

He's a big whiner.

Reminds me of Oswald Spengler...

106 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:18:06am

re: #97 000G

Oh yeah, and the "a moderate Islam does not exist" meme.

And if you are a moderate Muslim, I, a batshit crazy non-Muslim who's read some Robert Spencer will be happy to explain your religion to you so that you understand that you are supposed to be an extremist. Don't thank me.

//

107 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:18:10am

re: #99 000G

Also an old-time Lizard, no?

I don't remember him here, and the nic 'KGS' is not registered.

108 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:19:42am

re: #104 The Yankee

I think to be a skinhead you need docs and either white or red laces through them.
Their are anti racist skinheads.

There are, although, frankly, they are also annoying, if I remember high school correctly. I mean, goths are anti-racist too, mostly, but do you really want to listen to them TALK about it?

//

109 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:19:59am

re: #106 SanFranciscoZionist

And if you are a moderate Muslim, I, a batshit crazy non-Muslim who's read some Robert Spencer will be happy to explain your religion to you so that you understand that you are supposed to be an extremist. Don't thank me.

//

All of those who seem peaceful and moderate are secretly aiding and abetting the real muslims, dontchaknow?!

//

110 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:20:20am

Ach, work.

111 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:22:28am

re: #110 wrenchwench

Ach, work.

Same.

112 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:22:53am

Random philosophical question: Can the writers of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion be held responsible in any way or part for the Holocaust?

Won't give my opinion yet so as to leave the discussion open.

113 Alexzander  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:23:27am

#12 Fjordman :: Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 9:21:26 am
God, I'm so tired of this gradual submission. Can't we declare a world war and get it over with?

114 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:23:38am

re: #100 wrenchwench

He's a big whiner.

This. This is all I got out of everything you guys have posted so far. He's pure and good and noble, he's the victim, anything he dislike or anything bad that happens is someone else's fault. Whiny. Little. Wuss.

115 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:24:02am

re: #113 Alexzander

#12 Fjordman :: Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 9:21:26 am
God, I'm so tired of this gradual submission. Can't we declare a world war and get it over with?

Sure. The world had too many people, and too much undestroyed stuff anyway.

116 Gambini  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:24:19am

By the way, he doesn't look very "Norwegian" to me.*
What is the next surprise? :D

PS: Take in account Fjordman is obssessed with "ethnic" homogeneity.

117 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:25:26am

I can buy "Sound" for $7.50. No details past this. Not sure if it's a book, or a kit, or what.

Also, I can get "sound" here for free. Too much, in fact.

118 Dutch Duncan  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:27:16am

re: #90 wrenchwench

Taking some action against the society and calling for actual murder is in my opinion not the same.

To make everything clear politically he's absolutely not my cup of tea but in one way he's right there are close ties between the (extreme) European left and islamists especially radical Palestinians. Overhere in Holland some members of the socialist party actually work together with Hamas. A socialist member of Parliament defended for example the brutal killing of a jewish family by a palestinian terrorist a few years ago.

119 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:27:32am

I'll never figure out how someone can look at this and think to themselves, "Hmm, I need to eat that.":

120 jaunte  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:27:33am

re: #114 CuriousLurker

Also, very likely a failure with women.

Fjordman: Women, and Human Accomplishment

Out of the different categories of human accomplishment, women clearly have the strongest minority presence in literature. No surprise there. It is a minority presence there as well, though; the greatest writers have disproportionately been men. Literature implies verbal skills, psychological insight and talent for observing people and their relationships, all traditional feminine virtues. Women’s presence is modest, but not necessarily insignificant, in some of the sciences that require observational skills and patience, but it is very tiny and close to zero in disciplines such as mathematics, theoretical physics and philosophy. Generally speaking, the more logic is needed in a particular field, the fewer women you are likely to find there.
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

121 Alexzander  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:27:54am

re: #115 EmmmieG

Sure. The world had too many people, and too much undestroyed stuff anyway.

He should thank Breivik (and Charles Manson) for trying to initiate a race war.

122 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:28:02am

re: #113 Alexzander

#12 Fjordman :: Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 9:21:26 am
God, I'm so tired of this gradual submission. Can't we declare a world war and get it over with?

Didn't he say he wasn't a good soldier? I'm guessing he wouldn't be volunteering for the front lines. He's just the philosopher, writer, the muse.

123 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:28:29am

Hey, my boss's boss just stopped by with a $50 gift card for me. It seems that I was invited to some "employee recognition" luncheon which I totally forgot to attend.

Remind me to miss more luncheons.

I also forgot to attend the test drive.

124 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:29:17am

re: #120 jaunte

Also, very likely a failure with women.

Let me translate for you:

You won't give me the time of day or go on a date with me, so screw you.

125 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:29:29am

re: #120 jaunte

Also, very likely a failure with women.

Women’s presence is modest, but not necessarily insignificant, in some of the sciences that require observational skills and patience, but it is very tiny and close to zero in disciplines such as mathematics

My degree is in mathematics, so, fuck you Peder.

126 Gus  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:32:14am

Good lord...

Theoretically speaking, the next Newton could come from East Asia, or, less likely but not unthinkable, from India or some other Asian nation. What we can say is that the next Newton or Einstein is overwhelmingly likely to be a man. Individuals with such an exceptionally high level of intelligence are rare among men, but they are practically non-existent among women.

Fjordman said that this year.

127 Alexzander  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:32:34am

re: #120 jaunte

I wonder if Pam is cool with that sexism.

128 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:33:22am

re: #120 jaunte

Women a minority? Last I read, they still outnumber men on the globe. Unless you mean minroty in the sense of John Lennon/Yoko Ono "Woman is the N**** of the World"

129 The Yankee  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:33:24am

re: #125 Alouette

There was a time when people like him had a nice glass ceiling protecting them from women like you.

I wonder if Pamela Geller realizes she is most likely that "A useful Idiot" for the far right. Or can she really can't see the people the people that stand next to her really are.

130 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:34:11am

Women also make up only a tiny minority of mass murderers and authors of grandiose, narcissistic manifestos.

131 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:34:24am

re: #127 Alexzander

I wonder if Pam is cool with that sexism.

She's not bothered by Nazis so I doubt she'll be offended by sexism. All that counts is the common hatred of Muslims.

132 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:35:02am

re: #116 Gambini

By the way, he doesn't look very "Norwegian" to me.*
What is the next surprise? :D

PS: Take in account Fjordman is obssessed with "ethnic" homogeneity.

How does he not look Norwegian?

133 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:35:09am

re: #126 Gus 802

Good lord...

Fjordman said that this year.

How come it's always people like Fjordman that say garbage like this, and not Stephen Hawking?

134 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:35:27am

re: #132 SanFranciscoZionist

How does he not look Norwegian?

He certainly manages to look White and Nerdy.

135 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:35:30am

Dunno, I can't search old comments. Stalker blog says that he also used name "Norwegian kafir", so those who can search might as well give it a go.

136 Gambini  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:35:45am

re: #120 jaunte

Also, very likely a failure with women.

More than likely. Someone who has time to write regular 100.000 word diatribes for 3rd rate blogs, is not someone whom I would call "very social".
Looks like a Basement-Dweller to me. :D

137 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:35:51am

re: #130 negativ

Women also make up only a tiny minority of mass murderers

Yes, but women are responsible for the overwhelming majority of abortions!

138 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:36:58am

re: #118 Dutch Duncan

Taking some action against the society and calling for actual murder is in my opinion not the same.

To make everything clear politically he's absolutely not my cup of tea but in one way he's right there are close ties between the (extreme) European left and islamists especially radical Palestinians. Overhere in Holland some members of the socialist party actually work together with Hamas. A socialist member of Parliament defended for example the brutal killing of a jewish family by a palestinian terrorist a few years ago.


So he's not your cup of tea, but he's correct that Europe is under threat because the left allies with Palistinians? Is that what you're saying?

139 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:37:43am

re: #135 Sergey Romanov

Dunno, I can't search old comments. Stalker blog says that he also used name "Norwegian kafir", so those who can search might as well give it a go.

I did find comments under that nic.

(back to work)

140 The Yankee  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:38:00am

re: #131 Killgore Trout

She's not bothered by Nazis so I doubt she'll be offended by sexism. All that counts is the common hatred of Muslims.

I think it was Ann Coulter that said she wished that women couldn't vote for some sort of right wing reason.......oh yes I remember the reason personal capitalism she wanted the attention to sell books.

Has any good come from Bill Maher having a TV show?

141 Alexzander  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:38:17am

re: #135 Sergey Romanov

Dunno, I can't search old comments. Stalker blog says that he also used name "Norwegian kafir", so those who can search might as well give it a go.

You need to set date parameters to get results.

142 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:38:30am

re: #134 EmmmieG

He certainly manages to look White and Nerdy.

I would respect him more if he just wanted to roll with the gangstas.

143 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:39:20am

re: #141 Alexzander

You need to set date parameters to get results.

I wrote that after I set the dates :P

144 Dutch Duncan  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:40:08am

About the ties between extreme leftwing european politicians and islamists:
Here is a link to a Dutch socialist member of parliament calling for actual violence (intifada) against Israel:

145 Alexzander  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:41:03am

re: #143 Sergey Romanov

I wrote that after I set the dates :P

Ohh sorry - I made that mistake earlier in this thread so I thought it may have been the same problem. Is there something wrong with your account that wont let you search comments?

146 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:42:07am

re: #144 Dutch Duncan

About the ties between extreme leftwing european politicians and islamists:
Here is a link to a Dutch socialist member of parliament calling for actual violence (intifada) against Israel:

[Video]

What's his name?

147 jaunte  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:42:39am

A little more Fjordkampf:

Finally, one could claim that the overall problem with the modern West is the general mass immigration and Multiculturalism promoted by our treasonous elites and that Islam merely constitutes a secondary infection. This is also partly true. No, just because Muslim immigration is especially bad does not mean that all other forms of immigration are unproblematic. Nevertheless, Muslims top the list over hostile aliens who do not belong in European or European-derived nations. The Islamic threat is real and needs to be dealt with.

The Serbian-American writer Serge Trifkovic, author of the book Defeating Jihad, has stated that the ongoing failure by their entrusted leaders to demographically protect European and European-derived nations constitutes the greatest betrayal in history. I am tempted to agree with him. In the end, the traitors and fifth columnists we have in our media and academia must be removed from power and replaced with people who are loyal to us and our nations.
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

148 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:43:54am

re: #147 jaunte

Kejda Gjermani had a lot on Trifkovic.

149 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:44:23am

re: #144 Dutch Duncan

About the ties between extreme leftwing european politicians and islamists:
Here is a link to a Dutch socialist member of parliament calling for actual violence (intifada) against Israel:

[Video]

The European left's record on Israel is appalling. Unfortunately, Fjordman and his friends are still appalling racist paranoids.

150 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:44:26am

re: #147 jaunte

Can you search for his attitudes to Serb war criminals and such?

151 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:45:11am

re: #150 Sergey Romanov

Can you search for his attitudes to Serb war criminals and such?

You know the answer, dontcha?

152 Gambini  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:45:35am

re: #132 SanFranciscoZionist

How does he not look Norwegian?

Let me clarify my point.

Speaking for myself, anyone who was born in a country, is a 100% citizen of that country (A Norwegian can be Nordic-looking, Mediterranean, slav, middle-eastern, black).

But we're speaking about someone who's obssessed about ethnic homogeneity!!! Someone who said (I am gonna look up the exact text), he just not ok with non-whites in Norway, He's not ok with with even other (non-nordic i presume) whites in Norway. Norway should be populated by Norwegians (Only). Because otherwise, it's ethnic genocide.

But from his picture, he's clearly a non-ethnic Norwegian. ¡How Ironic!

153 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:45:38am

re: #151 SanFranciscoZionist

You know the answer, dontcha?

Lemme play doubting Thomas.

154 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:46:13am

re: #152 Gambini

Who is he??

155 jaunte  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:46:46am

re: #150 Sergey Romanov

Can you search for his attitudes to Serb war criminals and such?

I think this sums it up:

"In a conflict between Muslims and non-Muslims, other infidels should always support the non-Muslim side."
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]
156 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:46:52am

re: #146 Sergey Romanov

What's his name?

Harry van Bommel (Socialist Party)

157 The Gender Ambiguity of a Flea  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:48:27am
Finally, one could claim that the overall problem with the modern West is the general mass immigration and Multiculturalism promoted by our treasonous elites and that Islam merely constitutes a secondary infection. This is also partly true. No, just because Muslim immigration is especially bad does not mean that all other forms of immigration are unproblematic. Nevertheless, Muslims top the list over hostile aliens who do not belong in European or European-derived nations. The Islamic threat is real and needs to be dealt with.

The Serbian-American writer Serge Trifkovic, author of the book Defeating Jihad, has stated that the ongoing failure by their entrusted leaders to demographically protect European and European-derived nations constitutes the greatest betrayal in history. I am tempted to agree with him. In the end, the traitors and fifth columnists we have in our media and academia must be removed from power and replaced with people who are loyal to us and our nations.

Stab in the Back Myth 2.0

Wish I was surprised.

158 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:48:38am

re: #152 Gambini

Let me clarify my point.

Speaking for myself, anyone who was born in a country, is a 100% citizen of that country (A Norwegian can be Nordic-looking, Mediterranean, slav, middle-eastern, black).

But we're speaking about someone who's obssessed about ethnic homogeneity!!! Someone who said (I am gonna look up the exact text), he just not ok with non-whites in Norway, He's not ok with with even other (non-nordic i presume) whites in Norway. Norway should be populated by Norwegians (Only). Because otherwise, it's ethnic genocide.

But from his picture, he's clearly a non-ethnic Norwegian. ¡How Ironic!

I don't get why you think that. What do you think he is?

(And remember, Voldemort IS half muggle.)

159 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:48:43am
Gaza demonstration 2009

Following the Israeli attack on the Gaza Strip late 2008-early 2009, took the SP MPs Van Bommel and Sadet Karabulut on January 3, 2009 in Amsterdam part in a demonstration against the actions of Israel, chanding the slogan "Intifada, Intifada, Palestine free". This led to criticism of the VVD, PVV and the CIDI (Centrum Informatie en Documentatie Israël), which suggested that this was a call to violence. Also, SP leader Agnes Kant said: "I would not have done, because it leads to misunderstandings."[1] Van Bommel denied that he wanted to incite violence. According to him intifada can be understood as "civil disobedience". The incident was reason for the Rabbi Raphael Evers of the "Dutch Israelite Religious Community" (Nederlands Israëlitisch Kerkgenootschap - NIK) to require that van Bommel would not be present at the Auschwitz Memorial in Amsterdam on January 25. The Dutch Auschwitz Committee - the organizer of the meeting - said, however, that Van Bommel was welcome[2] and called the case "a bloated affair." But eventually, Van Bommel let to known that he would not be present because he didn't wanted "that commotion about his presence at the expense of the actual memorial".

On January 3, 2009 Van Bommel was videotaped at a public rally calling for an intifada against Israel. Radio Netherlands Worldwide reported that the event launched widespread criticism.[3] He was accused of "incitement to hate, violence and discrimination against Jews" in a complaint to the Dutch Ministry of Justice by prominent attorney, and the lawyer of the Dutch politician Geert Wilders in his ongoing trial (2011), Bram Moskowicz.[4] According to Ha'aretz, in an online video Van Bommel's voice can be heard while protesters chant "Hamas, Hamas, send the Jews to the gas." Van Bommel told Haaretz he "did not hear the calls," and would "have left had he heard them."[5]

That it caused commotion is a good sign.

160 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:49:05am

re: #153 Sergey Romanov

Lemme play doubting Thomas.

You just want to poke your finger in the wounds.

:)

161 Gambini  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:49:07am

re: #154 Sergey Romanov

Who is he??

I was talking about Fjordman.

162 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:49:37am

re: #161 Gambini

Me too. So if he is not an ethnic N., who is he?

163 The Yankee  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:49:38am

re: #149 SanFranciscoZionist

The European left's record on Israel is appalling. Unfortunately, Fjordman and his friends are still appalling racist paranoids.

I got a feeling that a large part of the support for Israel from the right wingers in Europe is in large part superficial. But that is just a feeling.

164 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:49:55am

re: #159 Sergey Romanov

That it caused commotion is a good sign.

George Galloway's Dutch cousin?

165 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:50:33am

re: #164 SanFranciscoZionist

George Galloway's Dutch cousin?

And Cynthia McKinney's nephew :)

166 Dutch Duncan  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:53:52am

re: #146 Sergey Romanov

His name is Harry van Bommel and he is very much against everything american and Israeli. By the way amongst (the very few) Dutch neonazi's the most popular regular party is the socialist party mainly because of their radical anti-Israeli anti-European union and anti-American point of view. The socialist partymembers are literally "national socialists."

167 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:54:31am

re: #166 Dutch Duncan

Interesting, thanks.

168 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:54:50am

re: #163 The Yankee

I got a feeling that a large part of the support for Israel from the right wingers in Europe is in large part superficial. But that is just a feeling.

My feeling is that their 'support' is conditional, and solely based on what they see as their own struggle. A more left-wing Israeli government, for example, they would define as traitors. If Netanyahu moves peace talks forward, he'll be on their shitlist in a heartbeat. Most of these folks care about Israel only as a stick with which to poke the 'Islamist' fire. That the stick is a sovereign nation with its own concerns is beyond most of them.

169 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:55:13am

re: #165 Sergey Romanov

And Cynthia McKinney's nephew :)

Now that must be one hell of a family reunion.

170 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:55:59am

re: #166 Dutch Duncan

His name is Harry van Bommel and he is very much against everything american and Israeli. By the way amongst (the very few) Dutch neonazi's the most popular regular party is the socialist party mainly because of their radical anti-Israeli anti-European union and anti-American point of view. The socialist partymembers are literally "national socialists."

Oh wait, missed this - "The socialist partymembers are literally "national socialists." - really?

171 The Yankee  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:56:01am

re: #166 Dutch Duncan

His name is Harry van Bommel and he is very much against everything american and Israeli. By the way amongst (the very few) Dutch neonazi's the most popular regular party is the socialist party mainly because of their radical anti-Israeli anti-European union and anti-American point of view. The socialist partymembers are literally "national socialists."

By the way I heard that your military is falling on hard times. The soldiers have to buy their own equipment, and I mean almost everything from uniform to vest. And most people (from both political sides) basically want to get rid of the military. How accurate is that?

172 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:57:19am
Anti-white ideologies are now taught in every Western university and were arguably elevated to national ideology in the USA with the election of Obama.

Wow.
Clearly white-supremacist material. Crystal clear. Sounds like David Duke.

Self-preservation is a natural instinct for all living things down to plants and bacteria. It’s about time that whites reclaim the same right without apology.

And since 'self-preservation' isn't the issue, the call to "reclaim that right" is clearly, IMO, a call to "retake" the world.

Wow, just amazing.

173 Gambini  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:58:44am

re: #158 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't get why you think that. What do you think he is?

(And remember, Voldemort IS half muggle.)

Gosh! Norway is not the US or France. In a 4 Million highly homogenous country like Norway, you can easily distinguish people with foreign roots.
And Fjordman (If there is a Norwegian or a Swede here, please confirm it) looks "exotic".

So my point is, how can someone who himself is "non-ethnic", rant about ethnic purity and that whole ethno-centric bullshit?

174 Bulworth  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:59:22am
“counter-jihad” loon Andrew Bostom whines about the media’s characterization of Jensen as “far right,”

Well, of course, he must be "far left" then.
//

175 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:59:54am

re: #173 Gambini

Gosh! Norway is not the US or France. In a 4 Million highly homogenous country like Norway, you can easily distinguish people with foreign roots.
And Fjordman (If there is a Norwegian or a Swede here, please confirm it) looks "exotic".

So my point is, how can someone who himself is "non-ethnic", rant about ethnic purity and that whole ethno-centric bullshit?

Gingers are "exotic" in Norway?

176 Winny Spencer  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:00:58pm

re: #173 Gambini

Gosh! Norway is not the US or France. In a 4 Million highly homogenous country like Norway, you can easily distinguish people with foreign roots.
And Fjordman (If there is a Norwegian or a Swede here, please confirm it) looks "exotic".

So my point is, how can someone who himself is "non-ethnic", rant about ethnic purity and that whole ethno-centric bullshit?

No, you really can't. And no, he doesn't. Now stop.

177 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:01:06pm

Because you know, there are a lot of Jewish "Gingers" and we always thought it was because of Viking and Cossack rape.

And now this really means....

178 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:01:08pm

re: #173 Gambini

Dunno, dunno. I'd be kinda careful in playing "anthropology by photo", but whatever. He doesn't have to be a pure Norwegian to be consistent with his views, only a pure European.

179 Bulworth  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:01:26pm
A multicultural society implies that all cultures are granted equal status. Isn't it then by definition an encroachment on the rights of the native population if they have to subdue their cultural identity...?

No, no it isn't.

You're welcome.

180 kirkspencer  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:01:40pm

re: #170 Sergey Romanov

Oh wait, missed this - "The socialist partymembers are literally "national socialists." - really?

Ironically, they literally are. What they are not, however, is memetic national socialists aka nazis.

In other words, what he thinks he's saying is wrong. His words are correct, what he means by them is not.

181 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:01:46pm

re: #173 Gambini

Gosh! Norway is not the US or France. In a 4 Million highly homogenous country like Norway, you can easily distinguish people with foreign roots.
And Fjordman (If there is a Norwegian or a Swede here, please confirm it) looks "exotic".

So my point is, how can someone who himself is "non-ethnic", rant about ethnic purity and that whole ethno-centric bullshit?

People do it all the time. That said, these guys seem mostly hung up on 'whiteness' and culture.

Where are you from?

182 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:02:26pm

re: #180 kirkspencer

In what sense they're "national"?

183 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:03:31pm

re: #177 Alouette

Because you know, there are a lot of Jewish "Gingers" and we always thought it was because of Viking and Cossack rape.

And now this really means...

Hey, I thought it went back to David!!

There are a lot of Palestinian and Lebanese redheads too.

184 kirkspencer  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:03:53pm

re: #182 Sergey Romanov

It is a national party, and the objective is a socialist oriented or based national government. Hence, they are national socialists.

185 Gambini  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:04:47pm

re: #162 Sergey Romanov

Me too. So if he is not an ethnic N., who is he?

You mean "what is he"?
I dunnu, guess he has foreign roots.

186 Bulworth  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:05:10pm
A multicultural society implies that all cultures are granted equal status. Isn't it then by definition an encroachment on the rights of the native population if they have to subdue their cultural identity...?

If all cultures are granted equal status that does not, by definition, encroach on the rights of the native, or other, populations.

I guess "equal status" is equivalent to "supremacist" to these people.

187 The Yankee  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:05:16pm

re: #177 Alouette

Because you know, there are a lot of Jewish "Gingers" and we always thought it was because of Viking and Cossack rape.

And now this really means...

I thought that it was because there was a time when the irish would literally have sex with every one no matter their race.

188 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:05:20pm

re: #184 kirkspencer

Uh, that's not what is meant by national socialism, even if we exclude Nazis outright. By your definition Soviet Commies were national socialists, because they were building socialism inside their state.

189 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:05:20pm

re: #158 SanFranciscoZionist

And destroyed when the killing spell rebounds on him.

190 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:06:24pm

re: #179 Bulworth

No, no it isn't.

You're welcome.

But note the logical leap, which they do over and over:

Isn't it then by definition an encroachment on the rights of the native population if they have to subdue their cultural identity...?

Being equal with another culture does not mean that your cultural identity is being 'subdued'. Unless your cultural identity is centered around being superior to other cultures.

Nor does 'culture' mean 'system of laws and governance'. A legal system is a system, not something that changes with each demographic shift experienced by a country.

191 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:06:24pm

re: #183 SanFranciscoZionist

Hey, I thought it went back to David!!

There are a lot of Palestinian and Lebanese redheads too.

I am a Ginger by choice.

192 Gambini  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:06:57pm

re: #178 Sergey Romanov

Dunno, dunno. I'd be kinda careful in playing "anthropology by photo", but whatever. He doesn't have to be a pure Norwegian to be consistent with his views, only a pure European.

Ok, I am gonna stop with this shit cause it's highly controversial. But let me remind you Fjordman is not just euro-centric, but nordic-nationalist too. Look up some of his diatribes.

193 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:07:57pm

re: #192 Gambini

Are you now saying that you can distinguish not only Norwegians, but all Nordics?

194 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:08:34pm

re: #193 Sergey Romanov

Are you now saying that you can distinguish not only Norwegians, but all Nordics?

And that Fjordy is not one of any Nordics?

195 Winny Spencer  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:09:18pm

re: #185 Gambini

You mean "what is he"?
I dunnu, guess he has foreign roots.

I strongly doubt it. He has a 100% Norwegian (or Danish) name.

196 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:10:06pm

Actually, I was just thinking he looks something like my husband's Scandinavian-American grandmother.

He certainly doesn't look Cuban-Armenian-Chinese, does he?

197 The Yankee  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:10:20pm

re: #195 Winny Spencer

I strongly doubt it. He has a 100% Norwegian (or Danish) name.

I know for a fact he has an ancestor from Africa.

198 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:10:48pm

re: #197 The Yankee

I know for a fact he has an ancestor from Africa.

Good one. Took me a minute.

199 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:10:55pm

re: #197 The Yankee

I know for a fact he has an ancestor from Africa.

*applause*

200 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:11:04pm

re: #195 Winny Spencer

I strongly doubt it. He has a 100% Norwegian (or Danish) name.

If his great-grandparents had moved to the Midwest, he'd be Peter Jensen. Of which we have a bazillion, nearly all of them smarter and less screwed up than he.

201 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:11:23pm

re: #197 The Yankee

I know for a fact he has an ancestor from Africa.

That's funny, so do I!

202 Dutch Duncan  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:11:38pm

re: #138 wrenchwench

I am saying he has a point about the ties between the European left and arab radicals. I don't agree with him that Europe is under an islamic threat because of that. Things will be different when Turkey is allowed in the European union. That would be very very bad. Turkey is going too much in pro islamism anti democratic waters and would influence Europe in the wrong way. Most Europeans don't want that to happen.

203 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:13:10pm

re: #202 Dutch Duncan

While Erdogan is in power, and while many Turks are of such political persuasion that they support Erdogan, I think Turkey should forget about EU. Also, I wouldn't brush the Euroleft polticians because a marginal one of them has been seen at a bigoted rally.

204 Kragar  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:13:24pm
205 Alexzander  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:16:13pm

re: #201 SanFranciscoZionist

That's funny, so do I!

Wow - we might all be related!

206 allegro  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:16:15pm

re: #204 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Barton: Schools "Force" Students "To Be Homosexual"

Every day is opposite day in Bartonville.

207 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:16:53pm

Fjordman/Jensen studied Arabic at the American University in Cairo and did a dissertation on censorship & blogging in Iran.

You know how I'm always harping on how these far-right wingnuts are almost exactly like their Islamist counterparts save the overt calls to violence and (until last moth) actual deadly attacks?

How much would you like to be bet that Jensen had access to and carefully studied original Islamist writings in Arabic by people like Qutb and Al-Banna, and then modified the ideology to suit a Western/Christian agenda instead of a Middle Eastern/Islamic one?

The parallels are eerie: Assuming that he spent his time studying in Cairo when was a good bit younger (as most people do, and also because as he seems to have been active on the far-right for some time now), that would have been a turning point for him. Qutb's turning point was the two years he spent studying in the United States. He returned ranting about socialism, Marxism, the sinful ways of American women, eventually deciding that returning to a more natural Islamic way of life would keep those awful forces at bay and prevent them from contaminating Muslim culture & society. It's all there on the Wiki page.

208 Kragar  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:18:46pm

re: #206 allegro

Every day is opposite day in Bartonville.

Telling kids you aren't going to burn in hell and might actually be able to live a happy life while being gay is obviously hate-filled propaganda meant to force children into a life of homosinuality.

209 Bulworth  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:19:35pm

re: #190 SanFranciscoZionist

But note the logical leap, which they do over and over:

Isn't it then by definition an encroachment on the rights of the native population if they have to subdue their cultural identity...?

Being equal with another culture does not mean that your cultural identity is being 'subdued'. Unless your cultural identity is centered around being superior to other cultures.

Nor does 'culture' mean 'system of laws and governance'. A legal system is a system, not something that changes with each demographic shift experienced by a country.

Yeah he makes a Grand Canyon size leap from "equal" to "being subdued".

210 Alexzander  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:20:47pm

re: #207 CuriousLurker

Adam Curtis's documentary series The Power of Nightmares does a good overview of Qutb, postmodernism and the Platonic roots of neoconservativism.

Highly recommended.

211 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:20:55pm

more Fun Playing With Strawmen

don't you understand that diversity is only a good thing when it comes to things like skin color, sexual orientation, and the like? When it comes to other matters -- diversity of ideas, diversity of opinions, diversity of conduct -- it is a bad thing, because the Left expects everyone to be diverse in exactly the same way.

212 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:21:01pm

Has Mr. Barton ever tried to convince a heterosexual sixteen-year-old boy that being gay is a viable alternative for him?

Having observed many a heterosexual sixteen-year-old boy, as they attempt to pretend that they actually give a damn about anything except pizza and boobs, I have my doubts as to how it would work out.

213 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:21:50pm

re: #210 Alexzander

Adam Curtis's documentary series The Power of Nightmares does a good overview of Qutb, postmodernism and the Platonic roots of neoconservativism.

Highly recommended.

Looks interesting, thanks! I'll put it on my Amazon list.

214 jaunte  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:23:42pm

re: #212 SanFranciscoZionist

Barton needs a new category for most of his statements that falls between unconscious bullshitting and straight-up lying.

215 Kragar  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:24:58pm

re: #212 SanFranciscoZionist

Has Mr. Barton ever tried to convince a heterosexual sixteen-year-old boy that being gay is a viable alternative for him?

Having observed many a heterosexual sixteen-year-old boy, as they attempt to pretend that they actually give a damn about anything except pizza and boobs, I have my doubts as to how it would work out.

He's obviously being indoctrinated. Any time you ask him anything, his response is "That's so gay."

216 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:25:52pm

It is getting to the point where I too am despairing of ever being able to settle this by political means only. The Right has become a caricature of itself and is actively embracing racists, conspiracy mongers, and people who openly advocate armed sedition against the government.

I expect a lot more violence from the right wing in the near future, although I would be happy to be proven wrong, I doubt I will be.

When you have millions of people reading these modern online hate monger sites every day, when the writers of these sites continue daily to escalate their rhetoric and unsupported conspiracy accusations of course there is going to be blowback.

Their readers are in the majority poorly educated and badly socialized...err..."white trash" for the most part. There really is no other excuse for reading a post by Pam or Spencer and accepting it at face value.

It would not be so bad if it was simply idiots following idiots. Now it has graduated to idiots advocating violence to their idiot followers and then pretending to be surprised and shocked when anyone actually takes them up on their suggestions.

217 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:26:02pm

i hear there's a new science fiction movie opening this week where they give humans a drug and then they act intelligently

not really plausible

218 Alexzander  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:26:48pm

re: #213 CuriousLurker

Looks interesting, thanks! I'll put it on my Amazon list.

You can also find it uploaded various places online. I think he had issues with DVD distribution so hes cool with people finding however they can.

Link to a google video copy of The Power Of Nightmares:Part1

219 Gambini  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:27:24pm

EXCLUSIVE!

Fjordman's father condemns his son's attitude.

[Link: www.tv2.no...]

(thanks who? ;))

220 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:28:18pm

re: #219 Gambini

At first I thought - hey Breivik's father already... wait, Fjordman's!

221 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:28:30pm

re: #218 Alexzander

You can also find it uploaded various places online. I think he had issues with DVD distribution so hes cool with people finding however they can.

Link to a google video copy of The Power Of Nightmares:Part1

Yay, immediate gratification! Thanks. ;)

222 Alexzander  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:29:35pm

re: #221 CuriousLurker

Yay, immediate gratification! Thanks. ;)

I'm gonna watch a bit of over again right now too.

223 Kragar  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:30:41pm

re: #70 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Chris Christie: "This Shariah law business is crap."

A follow up to this:

Christie's Shariah "Crazies" Strike Back


the "crazies" are unhappy, and they're not letting the matter rest.

Geller comments that Christie "has shown himself to be a dangerous blustering bloviator, a good little dhimmi" who has made a "monumental mistake." Andrew Breitbart's Big Peace website calls it "disappointing" to see Christie "dismissing substantive and damning facts, statements and associations in order to accuse his critics of racism and bigotry." And JihadWatch comments, "to think that some people think this tool would be a good president."

It will be interesting to see whether other Republican politicians follow Christie in denouncing the anti-Islam right-wing media, or if they knuckle under in the face of this sort of criticism.

224 Dutch Duncan  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:32:05pm

re: #170 Sergey Romanov

I mean national socialists literally. They are not nazi's so they don't want bad things for minorities etc. (although if they get their way with Israel it would be bad news for the only democracy in the middle east).

It's more about shutting out the outside world, and creating a Dutch social benefits paradise. at the cost of the economy of course.

225 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:32:50pm

re: #223 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


I think all but the most demeted politicians will decline comment on this issue to the best of their abilities, just watching to see who does join the dogpile on Christie will be a good indication of who has drunk the Kool-Aid already and who has yet to do so...

226 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:32:58pm

re: #219 Gambini

EXCLUSIVE!

Fjordman's father condemns his son's attitude.

[Link: www.tv2.no...]

(thanks who? ;))

Heh.

227 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:33:10pm

Geller comments that Christie "has shown himself to be a dangerous blustering bloviator, a good little dhimmi" who has made a "monumental mistake."

i estimate that by 2015 all wingnuts will have excommunicated all other wingnuts

228 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:33:50pm

re: #224 Dutch Duncan


It's a great tradition among the radical left: in Germany the RAF sent people to be trained in PLO camps.

229 Kragar  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:34:20pm

re: #227 engineer dog

Geller comments that Christie "has shown himself to be a dangerous blustering bloviator, a good little dhimmi" who has made a "monumental mistake."

i estimate that by 2015 all wingnuts will have excommunicated all other wingnuts

No true wingnut...

230 Gambini  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:35:40pm

re: #193 Sergey Romanov

Are you now saying that you can distinguish not only Norwegians, but all Nordics?

Stop bullshitting, ok? look up my record and my contributions to LGF (Charles even posted some years ago a video of mine denouncing the Vlaams Belang which I translated to english) and stop being paranoid.
Regards.

231 The Yankee  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:38:30pm

re: #224 Dutch Duncan

I mean national socialists literally. They are not nazi's so they don't want bad things for minorities etc. (although if they get their way with Israel it would be bad news for the only democracy in the middle east).

It's more about shutting out the outside world, and creating a Dutch social benefits paradise. at the cost of the economy of course.

The term that we use here is Isolationists. In the states libertarians are military Isolationist, conservatives are anti-immigration, and some left wing pro-unionist are economic isolationist. But rarely do you find some one that embodies all 3

232 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:38:51pm

re: #230 Gambini

Stop bullshitting, ok? look up my record and my contributions to LGF (Charles even posted some years ago a video of mine denouncing the Vlaams Belang which I translated to english) and stop being paranoid.
Regards.

An interesting reaction. All I did was ask a reasonable question, without implications. What do your other contribs have to do with anything?

233 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:40:15pm

re: #227 engineer dog

Geller comments that Christie "has shown himself to be a dangerous blustering bloviator, a good little dhimmi" who has made a "monumental mistake."

i estimate that by 2015 all wingnuts will have excommunicated all other wingnuts

"There's no one left but we and thee, and we're not sure of thee..."

234 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:40:43pm

re: #230 Gambini

If you thought I was implying you were some racist cuckoo or something - no, I wasn't.

235 kirkspencer  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:41:22pm

re: #188 Sergey Romanov

Uh, that's not what is meant by national socialism, even if we exclude Nazis outright. By your definition Soviet Commies were national socialists, because they were building socialism inside their state.

Exactly.

Look. The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei was a party that used the name National Socialists as accurately as the Démocratie Libérale of France reflected both Democratic and liberalism. It was a name.

When someone calls a group national socialists, they tend to mean they're like the Nazis. However, LITERALLY (as I said above) they're usually wrong when they mean this. Literally, national socialists are a group that intends to socialize the nation.

And in this particular case it was even more amusing, as the people being accused are literally national socialists but are not "like nazis".

I was, if you'll pardon, playing a bit on the words.

236 The Yankee  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:41:30pm

re: #233 SanFranciscoZionist

"There's no one left but we and thee, and we're not sure of thee..."

He is not a true Scotsman.

237 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:41:30pm

re: #188 Sergey Romanov

Uh, that's not what is meant by national socialism, even if we exclude Nazis outright. By your definition Soviet Commies were national socialists, because they were building socialism inside their state.

Almost. See [Link: de.wikipedia.org...]

238 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:42:16pm

re: #237 000G

Almost. See [Link: de.wikipedia.org...]

Oh, and also [Link: no.wikipedia.org...]

239 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:42:30pm

re: #235 kirkspencer

> Literally, national socialists are a group that intends to socialize the nation.

Well, I disagree. But let's drop this.

240 Gambini  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:43:09pm

re: #232 Sergey Romanov

An interesting reaction. All I did was ask a reasonable question, without implications. What do your other contribs have to do with anything?

A reasonable question, NOT. It sounded more like "leg-pulling".
Regards.

241 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:43:23pm

re: #235 kirkspencer

Let us recall that the "left" and "right" were arbitrary designations based on the seating arrangements in the French parliament, adopted to keep pro- and anti-governmnet delegates from attacking each other physically.

Sometimes a party can be so far left as to be rightist and vice-versa...

242 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:45:01pm

re: #241 ralphieboy

Let us recall that the "left" and "right" were arbitrary designations based on the seating arrangements in the French parliament, adopted to keep pro- and anti-governmnet delegates from attacking each other physically.

Well, that does sort of sum it up at this point...

243 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:45:12pm

re: #240 Gambini

A reasonable question, NOT. It sounded more like "leg-pulling".
Regards.

Uh, no, I was just continuing your line of thought. But whatever, dude. You're probably unsure of your own position on this if you react this nervously.

244 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:45:22pm

re: #135 Sergey Romanov

"Norwegian kafir"


No. of comments posted: 1,528

Should be another "gold" mine.

245 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:46:02pm

Hey all!

How is it going?

246 Dutch Duncan  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:47:39pm

re: #171 The Yankee

There are indeed too many cuts on the military. One in six soldiers has to go I believe it is. I am very much against it, but the athmosphere overhere is unfortunately anti-military. "It only costs money and it serves nothing".

My personal point of view: an army is needed in a very violent world to save and protect the free way of living. Money spent on the military is in other ways (salaries for example) going back into the economy and could like that be beneficial for many other parts of society as well.

247 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:49:46pm

re: #212 SanFranciscoZionist

Has Mr. Barton ever tried to convince a heterosexual sixteen-year-old boy that being gay is a viable alternative for him?

Having observed many a heterosexual sixteen-year-old boy, as they attempt to pretend that they actually give a damn about anything except pizza and boobs, I have my doubts as to how it would work out.

Not well, I can ga-ron-tee.
Usually works the other way, with gay teens pretending to be straight.
In the confusion and chaos that is the mind of a teenager, any teenager, I can't imagine having yet one more burden like that.

248 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:51:05pm

re: #246 Dutch Duncan

There are indeed too many cuts on the military. One in six soldiers has to go I believe it is. I am very much against it, but the athmosphere overhere is unfortunately anti-military. "It only costs money and it serves nothing".

My personal point of view: an army is needed in a very violent world to save and protect the free way of living. Money spent on the military is in other ways (salaries for example) going back into the economy and could like that be beneficial for many other parts of society as well.

IMHO, we need to prepare our military for future threats.. Which aren't necessarily what we think of as "violent" threats.

I don't think spending money on preparing soldiers for traditional warfare is going to be cost-effective.

It's a Brave New World. I don't have all the answers.

249 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:54:07pm

re: #203 Sergey Romanov

Also, I wouldn't brush the Euroleft polticians because a marginal one of them has been seen at a bigoted rally.

The Euroleft: You never know how they are going to disappoint you next. I think a lot of what inspired Marxism and Leninism is a desire to predict the "treasonous" ways of Europe's mainstream left (see "social fascism").

250 Gambini  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:56:52pm

re: #243 Sergey Romanov

Uh, no, I was just continuing your line of thought. But whatever, dude. You're probably unsure of your own position on this if you react this nervously.

I didn't react nervously. I just tried to redress your paranoid reaction to my (let me remind you) innocent remark.
So let's call it quits. ok?
regards.

251 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:58:41pm

re: #250 Gambini

I didn't react nervously. I just tried to redress your paranoid reaction to my (let me remind you) innocent remark.
So let's call it quits. ok?
regards.

Dude, it's your reaction to my innocent in intent (if slightly snarky) question that is paranoid, so you're projecting.

Otherwise, yes, let's call it quits. Let's assume this was a miscommunication.

252 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 1:02:07pm

re: #235 kirkspencer

Anybody who is really interested in what part "socialism" played in the history of the Nazi Party should look up the Strasser brothers and then follow up from there.

253 Kragar  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 1:02:36pm

re: #251 Sergey Romanov

Let's assume this was a miscommunication.

WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?!

/sorry, couldn't resist

254 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 1:03:07pm

re: #253 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?!

/sorry, couldn't resist

WHAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU SON!

255 Hawaii69  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 1:05:19pm

Wow....is it just me, or is Peder Jensen the spitting image of Heinrich Himmler, plus curly hair?

256 Kragar  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 1:05:28pm

re: #254 Sergey Romanov

WHAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU SON!

He says the sheriff is near.

257 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 1:29:26pm

re: #255 Hawaii69

Wow...is it just me, or is Peder Jensen the spitting image of Heinrich Himmler, plus curly hair?

You're onto something here!

258 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 1:29:55pm

Quoth Fjordman aka Norwegian kafir (one of his first posts here in 2003, I believe):


Yes, we will probably bleed because of too many muslim immigrants and our proximity to the Middle East, but we won't be destroyed. I think that goes for the West as a whole: We will bleed, but win. 200 years from now, Islam is but a vague memory of something bad in the past.

200 years. Slightly more optimistic than Breivik's 2083 estimate.

More dark fantasies, with an "undercurrent" of lustful anticipation and an implicit "or else":

Some damage has already been done, and is unavoidable. But I don't think muslim immigration will result in a takeover of the Continent. It is more likely to result in another genocide, of the ones Europe seems to be doing every now and then. Muslims should be careful not to dig too deep into Europe's sub-concience. There are darker forces there than the current PeeCee culture.

The Continent is heading for a Kulturkampf on a grand scale. In Europe, that is usually quite messy. To be continued...

259 Øyvind Strømmen  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 1:37:32pm

Here's my latest blog post on Fjordman: [Link: oyvindstrommen.be...]

260 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 1:39:20pm

re: #259 oslogin

Here's my latest blog post on Fjordman: [Link: oyvindstrommen.be...]

Brilliant. Oyvind, how about a page?

261 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 1:42:36pm

It's delightful to read Fjordman's meltdown on LGF in October 2007.

262 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 1:44:45pm

re: #259 oslogin

Also, 000G yesterday posted about Breivik's connections with Russian Nazis in Oslo (Datsik et al.) - do you have the details?

263 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 1:45:55pm

re: #261 000G

It's delightful to read Fjordman's meltdown on LGF in October 2007.

Linky

264 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 1:49:17pm

re: #263 000G

Linky

Here's 2007 me, predicting what's happening now: LGF Comment

Believe me, Fjordman, I'm wondering tonight why I ever thought you had anything worthwhile to say. If the time comes when it "backfires" on me that I linked to your essays, I'll be happy to say "Mea culpa."

265 Øyvind Strømmen  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 1:52:31pm

re: #262 Sergey Romanov

Also, 000G yesterday posted about Breivik's connections with Russian Nazis in Oslo (Datsik et al.) - do you have the details?

I haven't seen this, I believe. Will have to check it out.

266 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 1:52:55pm

re: #264 Charles

Wow.

267 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 1:53:16pm

re: #264 Charles

Here's 2007 me, predicting what's happening now: LGF Comment

That's, like, worth an article by itself.

268 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 1:53:41pm

re: #265 oslogin

I haven't seen this, I believe. Will have to check it out.

000G, if you're reading, can you please repeat that link?

269 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 1:55:47pm

re: #268 Sergey Romanov

000G, if you're reading, can you please repeat that link?

Russian links and ‘travelling’ disclosed
The police investigation into the attacks is now over 100 officers strong, and working on 22 separate areas of inquiry. Police from other countries are also helping the part of the investigation looking at online far right activity that might be connected to Breivik. Broadcaster TV2 has reported that it has emerged that Breivik had met Russian neo-Nazi Vjatjeslav Datsik in Oslo, who was previously rejected when he attempted to apply for asylum in Norway after running away from a Russian psychiatric institute. Datsik was jailed in Norway and eventually deported for various offences. Breivik has reportedly had close links with Datsik’s organization, Slavic Union, who were found to possess knives, guns and firebombs when police raided an Oslo tattoo enterprise operated by the group. Breivik is believed to have bought much of his equipment from Russia.

[Link: www.newsinenglish.no...]

See also [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

270 Øyvind Strømmen  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 1:57:04pm

re: #260 Sergey Romanov

Brilliant. Oyvind, how about a page?

Не за что.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

271 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 1:57:38pm

re: #270 oslogin

Не за что.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Хехе, классно.

272 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 1:59:54pm

re: #258 000G

I would like to proclaim Godwin's Law dead.

We know have conclusive evidence that the Anti-Islam crowd wants nothing less than extermination.

Stick Geller and Spencer with this. We need to call them what they are loud and clear. Genocidal scum.

273 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 2:26:03pm

re: #272 ProLifeLiberal

I would like to proclaim Godwin's Law dead.

We know have conclusive evidence that the Anti-Islam crowd wants nothing less than extermination.

Stick Geller and Spencer with this. We need to call them what they are loud and clear. Genocidal scum.

It's been a couple of years that I pointed out here on LGF where this kind of thinking leads to. Back then I linked to an article by Daniel Pipes to demonstrate that not all anti-jihadists were hinting around and obfuscating issues like Richard Spencer, who back then as now seems perfectly happy to let his followers come to their own conclusions to which he just feeds them the red meat premises. Pipes was honest enough to spell it all out, not advocating for but warning of the dangerous political consequences a lot of the demographic concepts seemed to imply.

It's a little bit sad that Pipes didn't turn out to be upright enough to denounce the bigots he still associates with willingly.

274 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 2:28:56pm

re: #273 000G

It's been a couple of years that I pointed out here on LGF where this kind of thinking leads to. Back then I linked to an article by Daniel Pipes to demonstrate that not all anti-jihadists were hinting around and obfuscating issues like Richard Robert Spencer, who back then as now seems perfectly happy to let his followers come to their own conclusions to which he just feeds them the red meat premises. Pipes was honest enough to spell it all out, not advocating for but warning of the dangerous political consequences a lot of the demographic concepts seemed to imply.

It's a little bit sad that Pipes didn't turn out to be upright enough to denounce the bigots he still associates with willingly.

Thanks to LGF, nobody can say "I didn't know!"

275 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 2:38:50pm

re: #274 wrenchwench

Thanks to LGF, nobody can say "I didn't know!"

Thanks for the correction. Are you still thinking about writing something on Daniel Pipes?

276 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 2:42:19pm

re: #275 000G

Thanks for the correction. Are you still thinking about writing something on Daniel Pipes?

No such plans.

277 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 2:43:33pm

re: #276 wrenchwench

No such plans.

A pity.

278 Thaara  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 3:33:24pm

re: #25 000G

errrr...I am speechless .....

279 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:00:35pm

re: #278 Thaara

errr...I am speechless ...

Not only Jihad Watch, but Bare Naked Islam as well.

280 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 3:10:13am

re: #278 Thaara

errr...I am speechless ...

Speak up. Why are you down-dinging me—am I lying? This is the the page linked in your profile: Thaana_israelitkan.ning.com.jpg

WebCited as well, just in case.

281 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 3:49:54am

[Link: www.religioustolerance.org...]

"Various sources estimate that from about 60 to 140 million women in the world have been circumcised. "

How many Muslim women are there in the world?

"FGM has been a social custom in Northern Africa for millennia. Many people associate FGM with the religion of Islam. Actually, it is a social custom that is practiced by Animists, Christians, and Muslims in those countries where FGM is common. There are many Muslim countries in which the mutilation is essentially unknown, including Algeria, Iraq, Iran, Kuwait, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. 2 FGM is nearly universal in Indonesia as well -- the world's largest predominately Muslim country. However the procedures performed appear to be minimally invasive in that country. 3"

282 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 3:50:19am

wrong thread

283 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 4:14:44am

re: #282 Sergey Romanov

wrong thread

Heh. Good luck with that one. I'm sitting it out.

284 JJ42  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 4:54:26am

re: #98 Gambini

Tax records doesn't necessarily say much about a persons real income. Some of Norway's richest men are listed with zero income (and zero net worth, just like people with a high mortgage). Because they are business owners, their paycheck is derived from the profit of their companies (or from the yield of their stocks). Thus, they are not taxed the same way as ordinary people, but rather through the business taxation system. That's where one needs to look in order to fine the real income of those people.

So judging from the tax records, Fjordman could be self employed, with a mortgage (after all, he has a master's degree.) The tax profile of a welfare recipient would also be different. It would list a steady (although low) income, which only varies with a few $ from year to year.

Anyway, I asked google, and it seems like Fjordy is working at a daycare center (for old or disabled people) in Oslo. He has also studied in Cairo and worked as an international observer in Hebron (West bank.)

285 Thaara  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 8:45:27am

re: #280 CuriousLurker

So,what would be the problem sir?
I dont judge people like you do to me, I read articles and choose what is relevant for me. So I read those sites, same as you do, big deal..and?
What? accusing me of what?
Why you blocked me?
Geesh.

286 Thaara  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 9:02:48am

Charles:
I been reading your place for some time now, and I found it very interesting. I only posted very few comments during that time though.
If there is any problem for me posting some comments in your site, I would like to know.
I don't like being bullied by some posters after a couple of things I wrote. Don't have a clue why.
Thanks.

287 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 9:11:40am

re: #286 Thaara

Thaara, CuriousLurker is a she.

Let me explain why you got piled upon.

When people saw that JihadWatch is among recommended sites at your link - israelitkan.ning.com , it was like a red cloth before a bull. Why? Because JW is a notorious hate site, and there are years of bad blood between JW and LGF.

288 Thaara  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 9:20:49am

re: #287 Sergey Romanov

Thaara, CuriousLurker is a she.

Let me explain why you got piled upon.

When people saw that JihadWatch is among recommended sites at your link - israelitkan.ning.com , it was like a red cloth before a bull. Why? Because JW is a notorious hate site, and there are years of bad blood between JW and LGF.

Thanks for the explanation,but that battle is not my issue.
Hatred is not my issue.
I wrote about what surrounds me, and about the daily threat we are living now.
And about political internal Israeli affairs.
And she has no right to stalk on my blog.
That is all.
Peace.

289 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 10:25:46am

re: #288 Thaara

Thanks for the explanation,but that battle is not my issue.
Hatred is not my issue.
I wrote about what surrounds me, and about the daily threat we are living now.
And about political internal Israeli affairs.
And she has no right to stalk on my blog.
That is all.
Peace.

You are not required to put a link to your blog in your nic. You did, though. I would see that as an invitation to visit your blog. Should one not make comments about it? Is that considered stalking?

Hatred may not be your issue, but it may be mine. Jihad Watch promotes hatred, you promote them with a link, and I'm sorry you consider it 'stalking' and 'bullying' if someone points that out.

290 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:50:30pm

re: #285 Thaara

So,what would be the problem sir?
I dont judge people like you do to me, I read articles and choose what is relevant for me. So I read those sites, same as you do, big deal..and?
What? accusing me of what?
Why you blocked me?
Geesh.

I am not a sir. The problem would be that you link to anti-Muslim hate sites and I am Muslim. You, like me, like anyone, will be judged by the company you keep.

The fact that you say you consider sites that promote the worst sort of bigotry and venomous distortions about Islam & Muslims "relevant" is bad enough; that you also go so far as to actually recommend them on your blog is even worse. Those are not "accusations", they are observations that anyone reading this can verify for themselves.

Jihad Watch is a well known anti-Muslim site, and one that was favored by the terrorist Breivik prior to his murderous attacks, according to his manifesto. Additionally, Robert Spencer is persona non grata here (as is Pamela Geller, whose febrile rantings are also mentioned on your blog.)

The BNI site's masthead consists of a photo of a mosque being consumed by a fiery mushroom cloud. Just under that, the current top blog post shows a photo of Herman Cain cursing Muslims while brandishing a pistol. A bit further down is another post, from August 5, referring to Muslims as "pigs fouling the streets of Jerusalem" and calling for the bombing of the al-Aqsa mosque. That sort of hate speech is Kahanist territory.

If my profile linked to to my blog and it "recommended" anti-Semitic hate sites that referrred to Jews as "pigs", called for the destruction of a Jewish holy site, showed an image of a synagogue being consumed by a mushroom cloud, promoted things like blood libel, Holocaust denial, and Jewish conspiracy theories such as The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, what would the decent people here at LGF here think of me? Not anything good, and I wouldn't blame them.

You linked to your blog in your public profile knowing full well that people would click on it, so please cut the melodrama about being "bullied" and about your blog being "stalked". If anyone knows about blogs being stalked it's Charles, and that's NOT what's happening to you.

I blocked you on Twitter because I want nothing whatsoever to do with you or anyone who finds bigotry & hatred towards any group of their fellow human beings acceptable. It is morally reprehensible and goes against every shred of human decency my parents instilled in me.

I've wasted enough of my day explaining what should be obvious. I have nothing else to say to you.

291 Thaara  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:42:03pm

re: #290 CuriousLurker
All I care are Israeli political-historical affairs, Israeli News, the war in Syria, the starvation in Somalia, the rockets falling over Israeli towns launched by terrorists, what the hell is going in Lybia, the mass rising upon Netanyahu gov,..etc etc
But "I dont care" where do I find the best information, I use for my blog ,also, Palestinian sources which calls for the slaughter of all Jews, and SO WHAT?
They have accurate information many times.
So you shouldnt get offended so fast.
I am sorry you did.
I usually dont talk much, but the situation made me do it.
Peace brother.
Ramadan Kareem.

292 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:47:31pm

re: #291 Thaara

You are recommending hate sites on your blog.

293 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:50:50pm

re: #292 wrenchwench

You are recommending hate sites on your blog.

Apparently that's where you get a'' "the best information". Silly me for getting offended so fast over all the hate. //


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