Video: Rick Perry’s Crazed Prayer Rally

Meanwhile, rolling blackouts go into effect in Texas despite fervent prayer
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Today Texas Governor Rick Perry held his prayer rally “The Response,” with a panoply of the most insane, bigoted, and outright racist fundamental Christian leaders imploring their God to help them turn America into a repressive theocracy.

No, I’m not exaggerating.

Right Wing Watch is posting videos from this bizarre congruence of far right politics and fanatical religion. Here’s the anti-choice section, as Alveda King, Lila Rose, and Susan Tyrell hysterically beg God to take away women’s reproductive rights.

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1 AK-47%  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:26:19am

They will accept people of all colors and races, as long as they are consrvative-crazy Christian

2 Artist  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:26:51am

re: #1 ralphieboy

They will accept people of all colors and races, as long as they are consrvative-crazy Christian

and as long as they know their place.

3 jaunte  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:27:49am

"...Our role as watchmen, to guard the people..."

4 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:28:22am

Good morning, Charles. We've been commenting on the feed downstairs. Painful to watch.

We love the Jews! Well, as long as long they accept the Messiah of Israel, and you know, stop being Jewish.

5 laZardo  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:28:54am

These lunatics are better adherents to their faith than most. You can't spell fundamentalist without fundamental...and by proxy, "mental" in the British slang definition.

6 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:29:07am

Lila Rose has a good franchise going.

Dunno. I am not planning to get myself whipped into a frenzy over this event. It's a big prayer meeting. Big deal. The only thing I have an issue with is Perry's involvement blurring the lines.

7 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:30:18am

JeffreyFeldman JeffreyFeldman

Imagine what the GOP wld say if 20K Dems in a stadium said US is failing bcs not enough people do downward-facing dog.

8 Mickey Blumental  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:31:16am

They fail miserably simply because each and every one of the speakers is actually a living and breathing argument in favour of abortion: their own.

9 God of Binders with Women  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:32:15am

Dear Wackos,

While I appreciate your efforts to channel me at Reliant Stadium today, I'm rather busy with famine, wars, cancer and global economic calamity.

Sincerely,

God.

10 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:32:16am

The intense girl with dreads who's singing now looks exactly like one of my former coworkers, down to the hairdo. It's a little unnerving. Mary Beth is a Buddhist.

11 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:32:23am

re: #6 SanFranciscoZionist

Lila Rose has a good franchise going.

Dunno. I am not planning to get myself whipped into a frenzy over this event. It's a big prayer meeting. Big deal. The only thing I have an issue with is Perry's involvement blurring the lines.

Playing to his base and stripping Huckabuca's support to the bone. Good politics, bad craziness.

Oh, and this is the most fatuous, happy clappy New Age crap of a music performance I have ever heard. Puts the cheese in Baby Cheesus.

12 AK-47%  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:32:50am

re: #8 Udon

They fail miserably simply because each and every one of the speakers is actually a living and breathing argument in favour of abortion: their own.

that is going overboard, really. these people have a right to be morally opposed to abortion and to express that view. I just don't believe they should have the right or the ability to prevent a woman from making that choice.

13 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:33:57am

re: #12 ralphieboy

that is going overboard, really. these people have a right to be morally opposed to abortion and to express that view. I just don't believe they should have the right or the ability to prevent a woman from making that choice.

And we settle that in the courts.

14 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:34:37am

I'm out sick for a bit, and it wasn't even the news that's doing it--BBL.

15 jaunte  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:35:15am

This is an AFA event; home of Donald Wildmon, Bryan Fischer, Home Depot boycott, etc.

16 AK-47%  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:35:17am

re: #13 SanFranciscoZionist

And we settle that in the courts.


I thought the Supreme Court settled that matter in 1973...

17 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:36:12am

re: #8 Udon

They fail miserably simply because each and every one of the speakers is actually a living and breathing argument in favour of abortion: their own.

How does that work, exactly?

18 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:38:14am

re: #10 SanFranciscoZionist

The intense girl with dreads who's singing now looks exactly like one of my former coworkers, down to the hairdo. It's a little unnerving. Mary Beth is a Buddhist.

I'm waiting for the testimonial that basically goes, "I used to be screwed up on drugs, now I'm screwed up on Jesus!" No zealot like a convert with an addictive personality.

19 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:38:27am

re: #8 Udon

They fail miserably simply because each and every one of the speakers is actually a living and breathing argument in favour of abortion: their own.

Seriously?
So the only people who you think should live and express an opinion are those who think like you do?

20 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:38:56am

re: #17 Sergey Romanov

How does that work, exactly?

Well, first you get a time machine...

21 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:39:16am

As I was saying downstairs, Slacktivist has started a series of 'You might be an evangelical if..." jokes.

The one that baffled all of us on the comments who were NOT evangelicals was "If you have a strong opinion about whether tabs are cheating in sword drills, you just might be an evangelical."

22 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:41:33am

re: #19 reine.de.tout

Seriously?
So the only people who you think should live and express an opinion are those who think like you do?

This.

23 Lidane  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:42:22am

re: #18 austin_blue

I'm waiting for the testimonial that basically goes, "I used to be screwed up on drugs, now I'm screwed up on Jesus!" No zealot like a convert with an addictive personality.

Seriously. One of the most religious people I know is an uncle of mine. He used to smoke four packs a day. Now he goes to church at least four times a week. Jesus got him to quit smoking, don'tcha know.

24 God of Binders with Women  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:42:33am

My favorite part is the dude ranting while going down his to-do list on his iPad.

25 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:43:29am

re: #19 reine.de.tout

Seriously?
So the only people who you think should live and express an opinion are those who think like you do?

He was way over the top.

You know, being born and raised Catholic, I find these worship gatherings unseemly. Say the mass, listen to the sermon, sing the doxology, and go home.

26 Lidane  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:44:08am

re: #24 Kid A

My favorite part is the dude ranting while going down his to-do list on his iPad.

SCIENCE IS OF TEH DEBIL! Let me Tweet that real quick...

27 Kronocide  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:45:09am

re: #25 austin_blue

He was way over the top.

You know, being born and raised Catholic, I find these worship gatherings unseemly. Say the mass, listen to the sermon, sing the doxology, and go home.

Amen to that.

28 AK-47%  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:45:34am

re: #25 austin_blue


There are enough echo chamber sites out there, right and left, wehre you can float comments like that. I am glad to see that we have some sense of decorum here. I disagree completely with these Response folks, but I do not think they should have been aborted.

29 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:46:44am

re: #28 ralphieboy

There are enough echo chamber sites out there, right and left, wehre you can float comments like that. I am glad to see that we have some sense of decorum here. I disagree completely with these Response folks, but I do not think they should have been aborted.

Word!

30 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:46:52am

re: #28 ralphieboy

There are enough echo chamber sites out there, right and left, wehre you can float comments like that. I am glad to see that we have some sense of decorum here. I disagree completely with these Response folks, but I do not think they should have been aborted.

I'm for women making their own choices, so it would be up to their mothers, but really it's a bit late....

31 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:47:16am

re: #25 austin_blue

He was way over the top.

You know, being born and raised Catholic, I find these worship gatherings unseemly. Say the mass, listen to the sermon, sing the doxology, and go home.

It's very alien to me as well--the emotionality, the emphasis on preaching, the ideas.

But there's nothing wrong with it, it's just not what I believe or what I'm used to.

I don't want to make fun of it.

Like I said, Rick Perry is my only interest in this thing.

32 Lidane  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:47:27am

re: #25 austin_blue

You know, being born and raised Catholic, I find these worship gatherings unseemly. Say the mass, listen to the sermon, sing the doxology, and go home.

Yeah, this. I grew up Catholic too, so the whole evangelical thing, openly preaching and praying over people in a tent revival just makes my skin crawl. I've never liked it.

33 AK-47%  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:48:40am

re: #32 Lidane

Yeah, this. I grew up Catholic too, so the whole evangelical thing, openly preaching and praying over people in a tent revival just makes my skin crawl. I've never liked it.


I can deal with that, but when it starts spilling over into politics and when they try to impose their evangelical sense of morals on the rest of us that we have to stand up to these folks.

34 God of Binders with Women  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:49:24am

Here's a link to the Houston Chronicle's coverage of the, ahem, event. Front page of the Chron's web site said 30,000 attended which was way over this morning's guesstimate of 8,000. Make sure you read the comments as there are some doozies.

[Link: blog.chron.com...]

35 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:50:05am

re: #31 SanFranciscoZionist

It's very alien to me as well--the emotionality, the emphasis on preaching, the ideas.

But there's nothing wrong with it, it's just not what I believe or what I'm used to.

Actually, yes -- there is a LOT wrong with this. If you haven't read this yet, take a look at the speakers and sponsors of this rally. This is not a harmless religious get-together.

[Link: www.rightwingwatch.org...]

36 jaunte  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:50:06am

The people we're seeing praying at Reliant Stadium are for the most part innocent believers, but they are the electoral force behind some really regressive, authoritarian thinking. From the Right Wing Watch link above:

The AFA today is led by Tim Wildmon, Don’s son, and its chief spokesperson is Bryan Fischer, the Director of Issues Analysis for Government and Public Policy and host of its flagship radio show Focal Point.

Fischer routinely expresses support for some of the most bigoted and shocking ideas found in the Religious Right today. He has:

- held gays responsible for the Holocaust and likened them to domestic terrorists and Nazis who are intent on committing “virtual genocide” against the military, and asserts that “homosexuals should be disqualified from public office”;
- said “we have feminized the Medal of Honor” by awarding it to a soldier who saved his fellow combatants rather than killing enemies;
- demanded all immigrants “convert to Christianity” and renounce their religions;
- asserted that Muslims have “no fundamental First Amendment claims” and should be banned from building mosques and deported from the US, adding that Muslims are inherently stupid as a result of inbreeding;
- claimed African American women “rut like rabbits” due to welfare and that Native Americans are “morally disqualified” from living in America because they didn’t convert to Christianity and were consequently cursed by God with alcoholism and poverty;
- said that the anti-Muslim manifesto of the right-wing Christian terrorist who killed dozens in Norway was “accurate.”

37 Lidane  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:51:45am

re: #33 ralphieboy

I can deal with that, but when it starts spilling over into politics and when they try to impose their evangelical sense of morals on the rest of us that we have to stand up to these folks.

I've never seen a difference between the personal and political among evangelicals, at least in my experience. I don't see how there could be a difference between them.

38 laZardo  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:53:10am

re: #19 reine.de.tout

More like when fuckstains like these start taking the fight to the people they hate by murdering them, we shouldn't just sit there and bitch about it.

This is religion at work.

39 God of Binders with Women  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:54:18am

re: #37 Lidane

I've never seen a difference between the personal and political among evangelicals, at least in my experience. I don't see how there could be a difference between them.

The only difference is if the evangelical openly endorses a candidate, bye bye tax exemption. I remember in 2004, right before the election, a church leader telling his flock something along the lines of "You all know who to vote for on Tuesday." He got some heat for that.

40 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:54:41am

re: #21 SanFranciscoZionist

As I was saying downstairs, Slacktivist has started a series of 'You might be an evangelical if..." jokes.

The one that baffled all of us on the comments who were NOT evangelicals was "If you have a strong opinion about whether tabs are cheating in sword drills, you just might be an evangelical."

My guess (and this is a guess) is that sword drills are what we call Scripture chases (someone gives a scripture reference and the first one to turn to it wins) and tabs are tabs in your scripture to help you find books in the Bible.

(The Bible has books, and the books have chapters. It's not one big book.)

41 eneri  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:55:25am

Jesus Christ himself would not be allowed (he was a Jew).

42 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:55:31am

re: #38 laZardo

More like when fuckstains like these start taking the fight to the people they hate by murdering them, we shouldn't just sit there and bitch about it.

This is religion at work.

It's different than what Udon said. It's either incoherent (fetuses are not aborted for future political beliefs) or creepy (cf. those Tiller's murder an abortion. Not saying Udon meant anything malicious, but that's how it came out.

43 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:56:01am

Ah, there was "teh gay is wrong" bit.

Nice. Only born again Christists get to heaven.

44 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:56:12am

re: #41 eneri

Jesus Christ himself would not be allowed (he was a Jew).

He wasn't big on public prayer.

45 laZardo  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:56:44am

re: #42 Sergey Romanov

It's different than what Udon said. It's either incoherent (fetuses are not aborted for future political beliefs) or creepy (cf. those Tiller's murder an abortion. Not saying Udon meant anything malicious, but that's how it came out.

I just find it extremely disheartening that this sort of violent behavior has sponsors in (reality-based) high places. And now they have a significant chance of taking the highest office in the land with it.

46 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:56:52am

re: #42 Sergey Romanov

(cf. those Tiller's murder an abortion=(cf. those who called Tiller's murder an abortion)

47 blueraven  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:57:02am

re: #41 eneri

Jesus Christ himself would not be allowed (he was a Jew).

be allowed what?

48 The Yankee  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:57:16am

What happens if this works?
It will eventually rain in Texas I am sure they will take credit for it even if it is a year from now.

49 Lidane  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:57:25am

re: #47 blueraven

be allowed what?

To go to this tent revival of Rick Perry's.

50 albusteve  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:57:39am

the rise of the theocrats will be protected by law...in the meantime they will march together and take out anybody that gets in their way....I see it as the greatest political dilemma America faces....once they get up a head of steam, they will be nearly impossible to stop....not good

51 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:58:25am

re: #49 Lidane

To go to this tent revival of Rick Perry's.

He was a messianic Jew, so he might have been OK. Still, he would be a tad too liberal for that crowd,

52 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:58:52am

re: #35 Charles

Actually, yes -- there is a LOT wrong with this. If you haven't read this yet, take a look at the speakers and sponsors of this rally. This is not a harmless religious get-together.

[Link: www.rightwingwatch.org...]

I am not talking about who is organizing or involved with it, I am talking about the style of prayer.

53 sod  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:59:20am

So who is an atheist that supports entitlement reform supposed to vote for?

54 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:59:24am

OT, but I have a massive sad:

At least 20 of the U.S. Navy SEALs killed in the attack were members of SEAL Team Six, the unit that carried out the operation that killed Osama Bin Laden.

55 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:59:28am

re: #40 EmmmieG

My guess (and this is a guess) is that sword drills are what we call Scripture chases (someone gives a scripture reference and the first one to turn to it wins) and tabs are tabs in your scripture to help you find books in the Bible.

(The Bible has books, and the books have chapters. It's not one big book.)

You would be correct--that got explained after enough people said "Whhaaa?"

56 Lidane  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 11:59:58am

re: #51 Sergey Romanov

He was a messianic Jew, so he might have been OK. Still, he would be a tad too liberal for that crowd,

A messianic Jew who didn't speak English and who wouldn't have been white. They'd never let him past the front door.

57 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:00:09pm

I'm skipping this thread. See every later.

58 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:00:10pm

re: #54 ProLifeLiberal

OT, but I have a massive sad:

I'm waiting for more information to see if I should be mad or sad.

59 God of Binders with Women  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:00:25pm

Here's a slideshow of the event from Houston Chronicle photographer Melissa Phillip:

[Link: www.chron.com...]

60 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:00:39pm

re: #56 Lidane

A messianic Jew who didn't speak English and who wouldn't have been white. They'd never let him past the front door.

They would have him mistaken for an Arab terrorist.

62 bratwurst  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:00:56pm

Praying? No problem.

Praying with hateful bigots with serious political aspirations? Problem.

63 sod  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:01:10pm

re: #54 ProLifeLiberal

Terrible, terrible news in a long line of terrible news from the last 10 years. Bring em home.

64 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:01:33pm

re: #61 laZardo

Does this matter?

65 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:01:41pm

re: #58 EmmmieG

Wikepedia's source (AP) said Taliban shot it down.

My instant reaction: Hunt down and exterminate the Taliban.

Give me 24 hours to calm down.

66 Lidane  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:02:31pm

re: #65 ProLifeLiberal

My instant reaction: Hunt down and exterminate the Taliban.

We've been doing that for the last ten years.

67 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:02:48pm

re: #48 The Yankee

What happens if this works?
It will eventually rain in Texas I am sure they will take credit for it even if it is a year from now.

The headline in one week should be "God hears Texas' plea for rain: Says "No.""

68 jaunte  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:03:28pm

re: #62 bratwurst

Praying? No problem.

Praying with hateful bigots with serious political aspirations? Problem.

True. Religion is not the problem. 'Dominion' is the problem.

69 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:03:32pm

Pajamas Media hits rock bottom.

[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

70 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:03:40pm

re: #39 Kid A

The only difference is if the evangelical openly endorses a candidate, bye bye tax exemption. I remember in 2004, right before the election, a church leader telling his flock something along the lines of "You all know who to vote for on Tuesday." He got some heat for that.

Heat, yes. Taxed, no.

71 God of Binders with Women  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:03:43pm

Awesome photo!

Image: awesomeness.jpg

72 Lidane  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:04:17pm

re: #69 Charles

Pajamas Media hits rock bottom.

[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

They've got an awfully fucked up definition of love.

73 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:04:24pm

re: #66 Lidane

Do it better. Don't take prisoners.

Act as the Ottoman Empire did against the First Saudi State.

Expect me to be more rational about this in 24 hours.

74 laZardo  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:04:32pm

re: #64 Sergey Romanov

I'm not taking away from the loss of life here. But I do think there is a tiny bit of solace in that it "bizarro karma" was not exacted on the specific people that took out OBL.

When you're on the ground with an RPG-7, a US helicopter in your sights is a US helicopter in your sights. The Taliban, unfortunately for us, got "lucky" with the passengers of their target.

75 Kragar  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:04:40pm

I just want to go on record as saying "Fuck you" to Rick Perry and the Response.

Bunch of primitive psychotics.

76 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:05:08pm

re: #73 ProLifeLiberal

Or create Daleks.

77 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:05:12pm

re: #68 jaunte

True. Religion is not the problem. 'Dominion' is the problem.

Yeah. Political Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism - when religion gets political, it becomes a danger to society.

78 AK-47%  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:05:28pm

re: #68 jaunte

True. Religion is not the problem. 'Dominion' is the problem.


You have hit it on the head: they believe first of all that we are "exceptional".
They believe this exceptionalism is rooted in our adherence to (their interpretation of) God's Law.
They believe that if we stray from (their interpretation of) God's Law then we are dooming our nation.
This can very quickly be turned into a rationalization for acts that are unconstitutional and even illegal.

79 jaunte  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:05:31pm

re: #69 Charles

Pajamas Media hits rock bottom.

[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

"The Two Minute Love"

80 laZardo  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:05:33pm

re: #73 ProLifeLiberal

Do it better. Don't take prisoners.

Act as the Ottoman Empire did against the First Saudi State.Armenians.

Expect me to be more rational about this in 24 hours.

ftfy, avoiding downding due to the last sentence.

81 albusteve  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:05:59pm

re: #65 ProLifeLiberal

Wikepedia's source (AP) said Taliban shot it down.

My instant reaction: Hunt down and exterminate the Taliban.

Give me 24 hours to calm down.

forget extermination...pull out

82 Kragar  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:06:27pm

re: #69 Charles

Pajamas Media hits rock bottom.

[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

And GoV is a love blog.

83 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:07:12pm

re: #80 laZardo

I'm aware that I am venting right now.

You aren't aware of what the Ottoman's did to the First Saudi State, are you?

It (to me) was a thing of glory.

84 God of Binders with Women  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:07:29pm

They must share the vodka:

Her activism is inspired by the love of life, this world, and this civilization. She wants to protect us all — even the moral mutants on the political Left who hate this civilization and thus hate Pamela. Every normal loving person expects his or her love to be mutual. But that is not how the world works. Recognition and gratitude are not part of the Universal Declaration of Human Entitlements, and are almost as rare as the baths these spoiled brats take. One just has to accept it and not throw the baby out with the bath water.

*head bangs on desk*

85 suchislife  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:08:00pm

re: #43 austin_blue

He also said: "The way to move god's heart and mind is to love Jesus, and to love him is to obey him and give your complete allegiance to Christianity"; "there is no truth, morality, righteousness but for Jesus. We redefine love that is not on his terms (as not love, presumably). He defines truth and lies."
This is really eye opening for me, if these are their innocuous beliefs, a lot of behavior makes a lot more sense. I would really like to read a transcript of this. As soon as something is spoken rhythmically, people seem to think the actual content no longer matters.

re: #78 ralphieboy

86 The Yankee  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:08:25pm

re: #69 Charles

Pajamas Media hits rock bottom.

[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

I can not stand pandering even when it is for some one I like. Let alone this creature. Why do so many right wingers enjoy patronizing is beyond me.

87 Kronocide  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:10:12pm

The People's Cube was much better as a satire site not to be taken too seriously. Now I can't even take it unseriously anymore.

88 TNChuckster  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:13:16pm

re: #38 laZardo

More like when fuckstains like these start taking the fight to the people they hate by murdering them, we shouldn't just sit there and bitch about it.

This is religion at work.

That's just what GW said after 9/11

89 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:13:50pm

Awful awful awful:

Kabul, Afghanistan (CNN) -- The U.S. military was reeling Saturday after a helicopter went down in eastern Afghanistan killing 31 Americans, including 22 Navy SEALs, a U.S. military official told CNN Saturday.

It was the single deadliest incident since the start of the decade-long Afghan war, an Army Chinook carrying a team of U.S. special forces and U.S. and Afghan soldiers that went down in Wardak province. Insurgents are believed to have shot down the helicopter, the military official said.

The majority of the Navy SEALs who died belonged to the same covert unit that conducted the raid that killed Osama bin Laden in May, though they were not the same men, the official said.

"It's a big loss" for the SEALs, one of the officials said. "The numbers are high."

90 AK-47%  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:13:59pm

re: #85 suchislife

He also said: "The way to move god's heart and mind is to love Jesus, and to love him is to obey him and give your complete allegiance to Christianity"; "re: #78 ralphieboy

allegiance has both a purely political sense and a moral sense - this statement does seem to be erasing the distinction

91 laZardo  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:14:51pm

re: #88 TNChuckster

Karma: -75

TNChuckster

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Funny how he never realized the biggest threat came from his base.

92 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:14:54pm

re: #89 austin_blue

I wonder if Pakistan had some involvement in this.

93 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:15:19pm

Can I ask a silly question?

Response to what?

94 Summer Seale  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:16:00pm

re: #93 EmmmieG

Can I ask a silly question?

Response to what?

Psychosis.

95 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:16:56pm

re: #93 EmmmieG

Can I ask a silly question?

Response to what?

Secular society.

96 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:17:40pm

re: #88 TNChuckster

That's just what GW said after 9/11

As much as I despise GWB, he was not a bigot towards Muslims and took pains to ensure that there is no collective blame.

97 Kronocide  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:17:54pm

If Geller is about love, what is she loving? Or love of what?

98 laZardo  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:18:02pm

Fuck this I'm getting lunch.

99 engineer cat  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:18:13pm

has perry said when he might make a decision to run for president or not?

100 Summer Seale  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:19:09pm

This....event...is organized by a.....sitting Governor.

Talking about abortion is going to fix the US Economy? I'm just...blown away.

Anyway, five hours before I wake up and take a flight to go on vacation, so have a good day/evening/night everyone.

101 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:20:59pm

re: #25 austin_blue

He was way over the top.

You know, being born and raised Catholic, I find these worship gatherings unseemly. Say the mass, listen to the sermon, sing the doxology, and go home.

Yeah, that's how I feel.
I agree these loud worship gatherings are unseemly, and for me, uncomfortable when I'm anywhere near.

But you know - those folks wanna do it? Go ahead, I don't care what goes on with anybody's personal time. But I sure as hell don't wish for anyone who I disagree with to not exist. What a weird thing, to say people doing something you find odd is a "good argument for" abortion.

When a politician starts imposing his/her belief? That's where the line is drawn, IMO.

As to the prayer rally itself? While I believe in the power of prayer, I also think God has a lot more on His mind than making sure this or that person gets elected (or not) in Texas.

102 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:21:09pm

re: #100 Summer

Oh, if he wins the primaries, we have so much material to attack Perry with.

103 AK-47%  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:21:14pm

re: #100 Summer


There is a bit of suspicion that many state employees felt pressured to attend it in order to advance (or nat least not threaten) their careers in the state governmnet/administration.

And yes, what is it doing to create more jobs? About the same as holding a "hip-hop birthday bash", I suppose.

104 jaunte  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:21:19pm

re: #100 Summer

This...event...is organized by a...sitting Governor.


I believe he's been called to be a running Governor.

105 suchislife  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:21:39pm

re: #90 ralphieboy

Yes, especially considering how often Obama's allegiance or more generally that of liberals to real America/Christianity is questioned.
Actually, apart from the preacher guy the actual participants testifying make me feel more indulgent, even though they of course might be fake. I guess I just like people.
But that horrible music made me think of Tim Minchin's "I love Jesus".

106 Gus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:21:45pm

The archaic practices of the pre-enlightenment revanchists continues.

Of course this likely in violation of the Establishment Clause. Yes, I'm sure he mixed in a variety of faiths in order to cover his bases. But I'm quiet certain the Humanists weren't invited.

107 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:22:45pm

re: #104 jaunte

I believe he's been called to be a running Governor.

And this is his response.

108 prairiefire  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:23:00pm

These people are awful. Rendering their clothes in the public square. Making a spectacle of themselves.

109 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:23:28pm

re: #38 laZardo

More like when fuckstains like these start taking the fight to the people they hate by murdering them, we shouldn't just sit there and bitch about it.

This is religion at work.

What? The "fuckstains" in this crowd have murdered people? You sure about that? Any proof of any sort? Or just your opinion that they have?

Bitch away if you want, I don't care. But what exactly to you propose to do? Prohibit prayer gatherings? What?

110 Lidane  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:23:49pm

re: #108 prairiefire

These people are awful. Rendering their clothes in the public square. Making a spectacle of themselves.

It's okay. It's all in the name of Jesus.


///

111 sod  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:24:29pm

I just watched for about 30 seconds, which was about 29 seconds too long.

The head down, outstretched hand thing creeps me out.

112 engineer cat  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:25:07pm

The International House of Prayer, incidentally, remains locked in a copyright infringement lawsuit with the International House of Pancakes.

yet they adamantly refuse to sue me over my International House of Zoroastrians movement...

113 sod  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:26:29pm

re: #112 engineer dog

And the global economy can now be referred to as the International House of Cards.

114 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:27:05pm

Can't find an answer.

I have no problem with this as a public/non-governmental religious event--which is what this should be-- I was just wondering what the title meant.

A response is usually the second half of something. The first half is usually a question, a dilemma, or a challenge.

115 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:27:47pm

re: #53 sod

So who is an atheist that supports entitlement reform supposed to vote for?

Venn diagram says "Giuliani". Ha.

116 engineer cat  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:28:54pm

hysterically beg God to take away women’s reproductive rights

perhaps they could find it in them to pray for the wellbeing of the millions of children lost in terrible poverty around the world with the same passion and commitment

117 The Yankee  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:29:16pm

re: #114 EmmmieG

Can't find an answer.

I have no problem with this as a public/non-governmental religious event--which is what this should be-- I was just wondering what the title meant.

A response is usually the second half of something. The first half is usually a question, a dilemma, or a challenge.

It was a response to Philly getting Cliff Lee then getting Nnamdi for less money then other teams were offering.

118 sod  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:29:36pm

re: #115 Decatur Deb

Savage says Giuliani doesn't play well East of the Hudson, gotta agree.

119 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:30:03pm

re: #107 wrenchwench

And this is his response.

Plausible guess. He'll put some time between this and his announcement, though.

120 engineer cat  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:30:38pm

re: #118 sod

Savage says Giuliani doesn't play well East of the Hudson, gotta agree.

i don't think giuliani even plays well north of 59th st

121 Gus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:30:47pm

This isn't a political event.

//

122 jaunte  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:31:23pm

re: #114 EmmmieG

A response is usually the second half of something. The first half is usually a question, a dilemma, or a challenge.


I think the leadership of the AFA, among others involved, believes that they have been called by God to rescue secular society. This is the beginning of their political response.

The Response is powered by politically active Religious Right individuals and groups who are dedicated to bringing far-right religious view, including degrading views of gays and lesbians and non-Christians, into American politics.

In fact, a spokesman for The Response has said that while non-Christians will be welcomed at the rally, they will be urged to “seek out the living Christ.” Allan Parker, a right-wing activist who participated in an organizing conference call for the event, declared in an email bearing the official Response logo that including non-Christians in the event "would be idolatry of the worst sort."

Perry told James Dobson that the rally was necessary because Americans have “turned away from God.”
[Link: www.rightwingwatch.org...]

123 Gus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:31:48pm

@rightwingwatch Right Wing Watch

Mike Bickle rails against "redefining love" (i.e. gay marriage) & declares all other religions are false: [Link: t.co...] #TheResponse

124 Gus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:33:07pm

@rightwingwatch Right Wing Watch

VIDEO: Prayer for "revival" to come to Israel and for the Jewish people to find the Messiah: [Link: t.co...] #TheResponse

125 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:33:34pm

This ain't no regular prayer rally, we know. These people do not love. Or if they do, they are being used.

rightwingwatch Right Wing Watch
by Gus_802
Mike Bickle rails against "redefining love" (i.e. gay marriage) & declares all other religions are false: bit.ly/repuqu #TheResponse

126 Gus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:33:55pm

@rightwingwatch Right Wing Watch

Mike Bickle at #TheResponse "there is no other salvation outside of Jesus"

127 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:34:06pm

re: #119 Decatur Deb

Plausible guess. He'll put some time between this and his announcement, though.

24 to 48 hours.

Youtube Video
128 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:34:13pm

This is a silly stupid rally, I sure wouldn't attend anything like this.
But calling this group "fuckstains"? REALLY?
And a "good argument for" abortion? REALLY?

Is there anything about the rally itself that's worth discussing?
We're going to talk about people as "fuckstains" and "arguments for abortion" because we don't like the way they pray? Seriously?

129 Gus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:36:03pm

@rightwingwatch Right Wing Watch

John Hagee now speaking at #TheResponse, once called Catholic Church the "Great Whore" and Hitler a "hunter" sent by God [Link: t.co...]

130 laZardo  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:36:20pm

re: #109 reine.de.tout

What? The "fuckstains" in this crowd have murdered people? You sure about that? Any proof of any sort? Or just your opinion that they have?

Bitch away if you want, I don't care. But what exactly to you propose to do? Prohibit prayer gatherings? What?

They haven't murdered anyone. But they sure feel pleasure over condemning women to a life of hardship by denying them reproductive health services, as well as pleasure over those that murder the people that try to provide reproductive health services.

Again, religion at work.

131 The Yankee  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:36:33pm

re: #128 reine.de.tout

This is a silly stupid rally, I sure wouldn't attend anything like this.
But calling this group "fuckstains"? REALLY?
And a "good argument for" abortion? REALLY?

Is there anything about the rally itself that's worth discussing?
We're going to talk about people as "fuckstains" and "arguments for abortion" because we don't like the way they pray? Seriously?


That was only one or 2 folks who said that.

132 Gus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:36:35pm

Unbelievable. When does Father Coughlin show up?

133 engineer cat  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:37:11pm

International House of Prayer

the NasPrayer Rally?

134 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:37:45pm

re: #130 laZardo

Again, religion at work.

I think you will be OK if you amend that to "political religion".

135 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:37:51pm

re: #132 Gus 802

Unbelievable. When does Father Coughlin show up?

He's dead, Jim.

136 Gus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:37:51pm

@rightwingwatch Right Wing Watch

Prayers at #TheResponse for "Jewish people to come to the Messiah" and convert to Christianity...no surprise: bit.ly/iUS4XY

137 The Yankee  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:38:58pm

Perry told James Dobson that the rally was necessary because Americans have “turned away from God.”

The polls show most Americans saying they are Christians what more do they want.

side note, their is a movement in the Evangelical wing that are trying to say that Catholics, Mormons, and Witnesses are not Christians.

138 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:38:59pm

God doesn't give a shit, per his latest tweet:

TheTweetOfGod God

I will be making an appearance at tonight's Laser Floyd show at the Pacific Science Center. Look for Me during "Us and Them." I'll be Them.

139 Gus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:40:48pm

Plenty more here...

[Link: twitter.com...]

140 sod  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:42:18pm

Completely OT:

I came up with a little public service gimmick:

Picture a kid, James Dean type, leather jacket, sunglasses - name's Stan. The girls all whisper to themselves when he walks by. His buddies try to get him to ditch school but he says he can't because he's got a big test and wants to do well.

Stan's Cool. Stay in School.

What do you think?

141 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:43:42pm

SIL comment: Don't change the channel--God's about to smite someone.

142 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:44:20pm

Wait: Did you say rolling blackouts?

Here's my response:

www.humless.com

All that sun coming down can be put to good use.

143 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:46:23pm

re: #124 Gus 802

@rightwingwatch Right Wing Watch

VIDEO: Prayer for "revival" to come to Israel and for the Jewish people to find the Messiah: [Link: t.co...] #TheResponse

Perfecting the Jews!

144 albusteve  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:47:19pm

re: #142 EmmmieG

Wait: Did you say rolling blackouts?

Here's my response:

www.humless.com

All that sun coming down can be put to good use.

it's been 38 years since the OPEC embargo...we are worse off now
not having a comprehensive energy policy will severely bite us in the ass one day...it's coming and it's gonna be bad news

145 calochortus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:47:39pm

Philosophical question: Having been raised in a totally nonreligious household, can I be said to have turned away from God?

146 Gus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:47:54pm

I wonder what life in Australia is like.

147 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:48:38pm

re: #145 calochortus

Philosophical question: Having been raised in a totally nonreligious household, can I be said to have turned away from God?

If you have not turned over the contents of your checkbook to Gov Perry, yes. (apparently)
/

148 calochortus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:48:40pm

re: #146 Gus 802

Hot and dry with occasional floods?

149 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:48:57pm

re: #145 calochortus

Philosophical question: Having been raised in a totally nonreligious household, can I be said to have turned away from God?

Ever turn down a Jehovah's Witness pamphlet? That was your big chance, Binky.

150 albusteve  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:49:23pm

re: #146 Gus 802

I wonder what life in Australia is like.

no football...must be similar to Hell

151 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:49:33pm

re: #145 calochortus

Philosophical question: Having been raised in a totally nonreligious household, can I be said to have turned away from God?

Yah. You are either a believer or not is how I read it.

152 calochortus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:49:39pm

re: #147 oaktree

If you have not turned over the contents of your checkbook to Gov Perry, yes. (apparently)
/

But I was never (knowingly) facing toward God.
And no, he's not getting my checkbook or my credit card.

153 sod  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:49:49pm

re: #140 sod

Image: Cool.jpg

154 jaunte  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:50:13pm

re: #146 Gus 802

I hear it's counterclockwise.

155 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:50:38pm

re: #8 Udon

You're not helping the cause of debunking the RR wingnuts of the TPGOP with logic and reason here...

156 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:50:51pm

re: #153 sod

Image: Cool.jpg

Needs moar Emo.

157 laZardo  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:50:59pm

re: #134 Sergey Romanov

I think you will be OK if you amend that to "political religion".

Religion inevitably seeks to embed itself in politics as part of the great competition to find more believers (and rid society of those that don't).

158 calochortus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:52:08pm

re: #149 Decatur Deb

Ever turn down a Jehovah's Witness pamphlet? That was your big chance, Binky.

Hey, we used to live next door to Jehovah's Witnesses. And to think that I turned down their spiritual wisdom. And that of the Mormon missionaries, and...

159 Gus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:52:40pm

re: #154 jaunte

I hear it's counterclockwise.

Now that I think about it. They have a huge creationist population over there. Several think-tanks even. Hmmm. What a other country should I consider...

160 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:52:46pm

re: #157 laZardo

Religion inevitably seeks to embed itself in politics as part of the great competition to find more believers (and rid society of those that don't).

True for most religions, but again, it won't hurt you to narrow down the attack.

161 Idle Drifter  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:53:19pm

re: #146 Gus 802

I wonder what life in Australia is like.

It was awesome the 3 days I was there in '02. They just need to protect video games as free speech, learn to love ice hockey, and few other tweaks and it'll be perfect.

162 makeitstop  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:53:24pm

Here's another view of the organizers of this thing from the Native American perpsective.

This bit should go in Bryan Fischer's Top 10 this is orders of magnitude worse than advocating making grizzly bears extinct.

“The Response” has generated a squall of controversy, much of it centered around Fischer, the AFA’s Director of Analysis for Government and Public Policy. Fischer is perhaps best known for warning the people of America that President Obama “wants to give the entire land mass of the United States of America back to the Indians. He wants Indian tribes to be our new overlords.” But it was Fischer’s article “Native Americans Morally Disqualified Themselves from the Land” published last winter that has generated the harshest criticism for its blatant racism against the Indigenous Peoples of Turtle Island.

The article was removed from the AFA website but is archived as Text of Fischer’s Racist Screed on Newspaper Rock. In it, Fischer claims that “the superstition, savagery and sexual immorality of native (sic) Americans” made them “morally disqualified from sovereign control of American soil.” He draws an analogy between the Indigenous Peoples of this country and the “Amorites, or Canaanite peoples” – the ancestors of today’s Palestinians – who “practiced one moral abomination after another, whether it was incest, adultery, sexually immorality, homosexuality, bestiality or child sacrifice, and God finally said ‘Enough’” – and gave the land to the ancient Israelites.

What. An. Asshole.

163 AK-47%  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:53:24pm

re: #145 calochortus

Philosophical question: Having been raised in a totally nonreligious household, can I be said to have turned away from God?


the fact that you have been raised without a religion is a sign that our country has turned away from god. this is the whole point of their view: we are exceptional because our laws reflect (their version of ) Divine Law.
Our misfortunes arise from our having turned away from (their version of) God's Law

164 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:53:33pm

re: #154 jaunte

I hear it's counterclockwise.

Easy fix:

Image: zoom-8126-01.jpg

("Clockwise" wasn't standardized until the 1500s or so. The great clock in St. Mark's piazza is backwards, IIRC.)

165 calochortus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:53:47pm

re: #157 laZardo

Religion inevitably seeks to embed itself in politics as part of the great competition to find more believers (and rid society of those that don't).

I await our Quaker overlords...

166 The Yankee  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:53:59pm

re: #149 Decatur Deb

Ever turn down a Jehovah's Witness pamphlet? That was your big chance, Binky.

Dude that just reminded me of those religious comics that appear on ones windshield if your park at a grocery store or near one of them vans with all the religious bumper stickers.

167 sod  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:54:13pm

re: #156 Decatur Deb

Heh, it was a quick google image search, not saying it couldn't use a little refinement!

168 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:54:44pm

re: #38 laZardo

More like when fuckstains like these start taking the fight to the people they hate by murdering them, we shouldn't just sit there and bitch about it.

This is religion at work.

So is this.

And this.

169 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:55:20pm

re: #165 calochortus

I await our Quaker overlords...

They demand that you eat more oats before the Scots get them all!

170 Gus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:55:48pm

re: #161 Idle Drifter

It was awesome the 3 days I was there in '02. They just need to protect video games as free speech, learn to love ice hockey, and few other tweaks and it'll be perfect.

My brother spent a month there several years ago. Might have been in the late 90s. He really liked it. Clean and beautiful. I'm thinking here after talking with my sister about recent events. Not sure if I want to stay here since this country is going down the drain fast.

171 calochortus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:55:57pm

re: #163 ralphieboy

So it's my parents' fault-but they turned away from God decades ago.

172 makeitstop  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:56:08pm

re: #132 Gus 802

Unbelievable. When does Father Coughlin show up?

His ghost hovers, silently, smiling.

173 engineer cat  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:56:11pm

re: #137 The Yankee

Perry told James Dobson that the rally was necessary because Americans have “turned away from God.”re: #145 calochortus

Philosophical question: Having been raised in a totally nonreligious household, can I be said to have turned away from God?

according to christian doctrine in all sects, you were born with original sin (although it's not in the bible and in fact was invented many centuries after jesus' death), so you are damned until proven otherwise, and the criterion for not being damned is to "accept jesus as savior"

debate continues as to whether people born before jesus can have their souls reside in heaven

174 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:57:20pm

re: #168 reine.de.tout

So is this.

And this.

There was a video that has been since taken down that actually made me cry. It was about wheelchairs, and the difference a wheelchair can make in a person's life.

Until you have seen how some people have to get around, and the utter lack of human dignity, you don't realize what a wheelchair is worth.

Anyway, the video was about a religious-charitable group giving out wheelchairs.

175 sod  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:57:43pm

I think I'm getting more liberal every day. I bought an electric lawn mower yesterday.

176 albusteve  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:57:55pm

re: #168 reine.de.tout

So is this.

And this.

zealotry works both ways....amuses me how some people get so angry at others...why don't they mind their own business?....praying at the stadium is not the same thing as influencing politics

177 Gus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:58:03pm

re: #172 makeitstop

His ghost hovers, silently, smiling.

Although I'm not sure he would be welcome to this event. He was a Catholic. I suppose he'd be welcome if he converted and became a "perfect Christian," i.e. a Protestant. At least that's what I'm reading from the feed at RWW.

178 Idle Drifter  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:58:17pm

re: #170 Gus 802

My brother spent a month there several years ago. Might have been in the late 90s. He really liked it. Clean and beautiful. I'm thinking here after talking with my sister about recent events. Not sure if I want to stay here since this country is going down the drain fast.

I'd like to bounce between New Zealand and Australia perhaps even learn Russian. There's awesome hunting in New Zealand and Russia. I just need to tap into the global market. But My heart is here in the States. I wouldn't want to leave it for the idiots without a fight.

179 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 12:59:18pm

re: #168 reine.de.tout

So is this.

And this.

Ran into these Las Vegas nuns online. They founded a unique service to the HIV population, with the inspiration from a TG Liza Minelli impersonator. It could possibly get more cool than that.

[Link: www.sainttheresecenter.org...]

180 blueraven  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:00:46pm

re: #176 albusteve

zealotry works both ways...amuses me how some people get so angry at others...why don't they mind their own business?...praying at the stadium is not the same thing as influencing politics

But that exactly what this event was planned to do. Influence policy.

181 Gus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:00:46pm

re: #35 Charles

Actually, yes -- there is a LOT wrong with this. If you haven't read this yet, take a look at the speakers and sponsors of this rally. This is not a harmless religious get-together.

[Link: www.rightwingwatch.org...]

This. Just wanted to quote it again in case people get lost in the conversation here and attempt to blow this event off as just another prayer rally.

182 calochortus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:01:11pm

re: #173 engineer dog

Well, yeah, I'm damned and all that, my question was just about turning away from something I never embraced in the first place.

I'll be happy to have a nice boring discussion of how it happens that God will condemn me to an eternity of suffering for being what He made me in the first place. I'm guessing that will not interest all these nice people on a Saturday afternoon. ;-)

183 The Yankee  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:01:56pm

re: #173 engineer dog

according to christian doctrine in all sects, you were born with original sin (although it's not in the bible and in fact was invented many centuries after jesus' death), so you are damned until proven otherwise, and the criterion for not being damned is to "accept jesus as savior"

debate continues as to whether people born before jesus can have their souls reside in heaven

There is also the question of rather unbaptized babies go to hell or not.

During the time that the bible was written Romans believed that babies didn't have souls until they had teeth. Wonder if that influence the early christianity.

184 albusteve  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:02:23pm

re: #180 blueraven

But that exactly what this event was planned to do. Influence policy.

did they vote?
attack them in the capitals, in DC
bitching about their 1st amendment rights is a waste of time

185 sod  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:02:25pm

re: #178 Idle Drifter

I'd like to bounce between New Zealand and Australia perhaps even learn Russian. There's awesome hunting in New Zealand and Russia. I just need to tap into the global market. But My heart is here in the States. I wouldn't want to leave it for the idiots without a fight.

Just make sure you get a tag. I hear they'll confiscate your guns AND your truck if they catch you with an idiot without a tag.

// Just joking here, I'm not advocating idiot hunting.

186 calochortus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:03:19pm

re: #183 The Yankee


During the time that the bible was written Romans believed that babies didn't have souls until they had teeth. Wonder if that influence the early christianity.

Well that explains a lot about my son-didn't get his first tooth until he was nearly a year old.

187 Gus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:03:34pm

re: #184 albusteve

did they vote?
attack them in the capitals, in DC
bitching about their 1st amendment rights is a waste of time

While you bitch about our 1st Amendment rights? OK. Sure thing.

188 albusteve  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:06:02pm

re: #181 Gus 802

This. Just wanted to quote it again in case people get lost in the conversation here and attempt to blow this event off as just another prayer rally.

it's absolutely not harmless, but they are going to do it regardless as is their right...the fight is in govt, where their power is expressed...I approve of a major showdown right now....separation of church and state

189 Charleston Chew  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:06:29pm

The good news is they're taping this. They probably feel safer in a big group and will thus be more honest and open about their crazy beliefs.

And when the inevitable backpedaling begins, we'll at least be able to say, "Let's go to the tape!"

I also can't help but imagine that Daily Show and Colbert Report producers will be spending the rest of the weekend in an editing bay somewhere.

190 jaunte  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:06:43pm

Response speaker getting down to the political message now.
[Link: mediasuite.multicastmedia.com...]

191 Gus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:07:33pm

re: #188 albusteve

it's absolutely not harmless, but they are going to do it regardless as is their right...the fight is in govt, where their power is expressed...I approve of a major showdown right now...separation of church and state

Oh. Well I'm not against their right to gather. But I am against the state of Texas being involved including Gov. Perry. It's just wrong. Not going to lose any sleep over it though. It's a slippery slope and a big one.

192 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:07:34pm

re: #180 blueraven

But that exactly what this event was planned to do. Influence policy.

All sorts of people will try to influence policy, all the time.
Some I will agree with, others not.
But individual people in this country, including those who pray and are religious, have a right to have an opinion, to express it - all of which is an attempt to influence policy.

Shall we discuss pros and cons of the policies they are trying to influence? Now there's a discussion.

But being so pissed off for no reason other than people have the right to try to influence policy in this country, and use that right, is silly, and leads to epithets such as "fuckstain" (that lizard used) being used to describe human beings, which is utterly ridiculous and unproductive.

193 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:08:02pm

re: #3 jaunte

"...Our role as watchmen, to guard the people..."

But who will watch the watchmen?

194 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:08:10pm

re: #192 reine.de.tout

*lazardo* used.

195 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:10:01pm

re: #190 jaunte

Response speaker getting down to the political message now.
[Link: mediasuite.multicastmedia.com...]

Right now its just someone singing.

196 blueraven  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:10:58pm

re: #184 albusteve

did they vote?
attack them in the capitals, in DC
bitching about their 1st amendment rights is a waste of time

Did who vote? What are you talking about?

Are you saying no one has the right to opine about this event as a political/religious one and suggest this is dangerous territory?

Now some people here have gone over the top with the abortion talk and fuckstain comment. They do not add anything constructive to this conversation.

But citizens have a right to be concerned over the nature of this event.

197 prairiefire  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:11:26pm

re: #161 Idle Drifter

It was awesome the 3 days I was there in '02. They just need to protect video games as free speech, learn to love ice hockey, and few other tweaks and it'll be perfect.

Also lower the population of venomous creatures.

198 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:12:17pm

re: #140 sod

Completely OT:

I came up with a little public service gimmick:

Picture a kid, James Dean type, leather jacket, sunglasses - name's Stan. The girls all whisper to themselves when he walks by. His buddies try to get him to ditch school but he says he can't because he's got a big test and wants to do well.

Stan's Cool. Stay in School.

What do you think?

You, Stanist, you. /

199 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:12:59pm

The guy isn't murdering his song, but Justin Beiber he isn't. Of course, he doesn't have autotune, either.

200 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:14:26pm

Now he's hurting the song. Simon Cowell would rip on this performance, hard. Not AmIdol or XFactor material.

201 blueraven  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:14:51pm

re: #192 reine.de.tout

All sorts of people will try to influence policy, all the time.
Some I will agree with, others not.
But individual people in this country, including those who pray and are religious, have a right to have an opinion, to express it - all of which is an attempt to influence policy.

Shall we discuss pros and cons of the policies they are trying to influence? Now there's a discussion.

But being so pissed off for no reason other than people have the right to try to influence policy in this country, and use that right, is silly, and leads to epithets such as "fuckstain" (that lizard used) being used to describe human beings, which is utterly ridiculous and unproductive.

Sure anyone has the right to try to influence policy, but we have separation of church and state for a reason. This is treading the line, if not crossing it or erasing it altogether.

I agree that some of the rhetoric here is way over the line which I commented on above.

202 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:15:58pm

The camera just focused on a Latino man with a black woman nearby. Hopefully they're more representative of the crowd than at conservative political events.

203 Lidane  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:16:33pm

re: #197 prairiefire

Also lower the population of venomous creatures.

What's the venomous creature population in New Zealand? Anyone know?

If I ever had to relocate abroad, it looks like a nice place, but if there are big spiders and snakes that can and will kill me, I'd like to know.

204 BongCrodny  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:17:11pm

re: #128 reine.de.tout

This is a silly stupid rally, I sure wouldn't attend anything like this.
But calling this group "fuckstains"? REALLY?
And a "good argument for" abortion? REALLY?

Is there anything about the rally itself that's worth discussing?
We're going to talk about people as "fuckstains" and "arguments for abortion" because we don't like the way they pray? Seriously?


I've got no problem with folks yelling "Jesus, Jesus, Jesus."

The problem is, many of these folks are also the same ones yelling "Homo, Homo, Homo."

205 Winny Spencer  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:18:21pm

re: #203 Lidane

What's the venomous creature population in New Zealand? Anyone know?

If I ever had to relocate abroad, it looks like a nice place, but if there are big spiders and snakes that can and will kill me, I'd like to know.

No snakes at all in NZ.

206 Gus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:18:29pm

Image: 999x.jpg

207 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:19:01pm

re: #203 Lidane

What's the venomous creature population in New Zealand? Anyone know?

If I ever had to relocate abroad, it looks like a nice place, but if there are big spiders and snakes that can and will kill me, I'd like to know.

Uh, that is the complete no about Australia. They have spiders that eat birds. And roam your house.

No way in hell.

208 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:19:08pm

re: #203 Lidane

What's the venomous creature population in New Zealand? Anyone know?

If I ever had to relocate abroad, it looks like a nice place, but if there are big spiders and snakes that can and will kill me, I'd like to know.

Any critter in, and around, Australia is out to kill you.

209 Gus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:19:29pm

re: #206 Gus 802

Image: 999x.jpg

HOUSTON, TX - AUGUST 6: People stage a protest outside the non-denominational prayer and fasting event, entitled 'The Response' at Reliant Stadium August 6, 2011 in Houston, Texas. Thousands attended the event organized by Gov. Rick Perry in order to pray for God to help save 'a nation in crisis' referring to America.

Governor Rick Perry. Not Father Rick Perry. Governor as in a state official.

210 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:19:49pm

re: #206 Gus 802

Image: 999x.jpg

EXCELLENT

211 Gus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:20:13pm

Westboro Baptist showed up outside...

[Link: www.daylife.com...]

213 Lidane  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:20:42pm

re: #208 Varek Raith

Any critter in, and around, Australia is out to kill you.

Right. Which is why I'd rather go to New Zealand. Those Aussie critters have a bit of a swim to get to NZ.

214 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:21:31pm

re: #208 Varek Raith

Any critter in, and around, Australia is out to kill you.

The Koalas aren't. But Varek hates them because they're second cousins to the Ewoks. If Varek is alone with a koala, he uses the Force to rip it to pieces. And when the idea for a "koala island" was formed, he fired a Galaxy Gun missile into the island.

/Stay on Target!

216 Winny Spencer  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:21:43pm

re: #213 Lidane

Right. Which is why I'd rather go to New Zealand. Those Aussie critters have a bit of a swim to get to NZ.

Plenty of sharks, including great whites, in NZ waters though.

217 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:22:02pm

This whole thread and commentary is about separation of Church and State.

It's becoming so blurred, without much push back. By falling back on defending religion per se, we are missing the point.

218 calochortus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:22:06pm

re: #211 Gus 802

Westboro Baptist showed up outside...

[Link: www.daylife.com...]

Wouldn't be a party without 'em.

219 jaunte  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:22:30pm

re: #211 Gus 802

They're like mosquitoes.

221 Lidane  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:23:03pm

re: #211 Gus 802

Westboro Baptist showed up outside...

[Link: www.daylife.com...]

I love how they have two signs near each other with contradictory messages: God Hates You and God Loves a Humble Heart.

WTF?

222 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:23:10pm

1:32

Lord, forgive us for valuing our convenience more than the gift of human life

which he reads off the screen of his tablet PC...

223 Gus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:23:18pm

re: #217 Stanley Sea

This whole thread and commentary is about separation of Church and State.

It's becoming so blurred, without much push back. By falling back on defending religion per se, we are missing the point.

Exactly.

224 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:23:53pm

re: #211 Gus 802

Westboro Baptist showed up outside...

[Link: www.daylife.com...]

Typical. Fred Phelps can't let anyone else have a large religious event without screaming about it. And no matter what, he always has to be the biggest asshole in the area.

225 Lidane  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:24:27pm

re: #216 Winny Spencer

Plenty of sharks, including great whites, in NZ waters though.

Perfect. They can kill and eat the giant spiders and snakes from Australia. ;)

226 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:24:28pm

re: #218 calochortus

Wouldn't be a party without 'em.

I think they actually skipped ComicCon this year. Still recovering from the response of the Con attendees last year!

227 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:24:33pm

re: #222 negativ

1:32

which he reads off the screen of his tablet PC...

I heard the statement, but missed the irony.

229 Lidane  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:26:09pm

re: #224 Dark_Falcon

Typical. Fred Phelps can't let anyone else have a large religious event without screaming about it. And no matter what, he always has to be the biggest asshole in the area.

I don't know. Considering some of the extremist nutbags that Perry invited to this thing, I think there's some serious competition for who is the biggest asshole in the area.

230 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:26:39pm

re: #225 Lidane

Perfect. They can kill and eat the giant spiders and snakes from Australia. ;)

The best thing out of Australia by far is

THIS by far

231 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:26:50pm

re: #228 Gus 802

I like their message less than Perry's. Not that they don't have right to do what they're doing. And at least they aren't being assholes like the Phelps loons.

232 blueraven  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:27:18pm

re: #217 Stanley Sea

This whole thread and commentary is about separation of Church and State.

It's becoming so blurred, without much push back. By falling back on defending religion per se, we are missing the point.

QFT

But just to repeat; some comments are counter productive when they just slam religion in general. Freedom of and from Religion is a basic right for all US citizens.

233 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:27:41pm

re: #231 Dark_Falcon

I like their message less than Perry's. Not that they don't have right to do what they're doing. And at least they aren't being assholes like the Phelps loons.

What is Perry's message?

234 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:28:16pm

re: #233 Varek Raith

What is Perry's message?

Vote for me, or else you're a godless commie?

235 albusteve  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:29:52pm

re: #232 blueraven

QFT

But just to repeat; some comments are counter productive when they just slam religion in general. Freedom of and from Religion is a basic right for all US citizens.

the pushback has to happen in the courts and with votes

236 blueraven  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:30:01pm

re: #233 Varek Raith

What is Perry's message?

That unless we all get down on our knees and pray, the country is going to hell.

237 Gus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:30:03pm

re: #231 Dark_Falcon

I like their message less than Perry's. Not that they don't have right to do what they're doing. And at least they aren't being assholes like the Phelps loons.

I like their message way more than Perry can ever dream of. Perry is off on this one. He's a theocrat of the first order. These people are dominionists intent on creating a Christian state under biblical law. Much as most of the Republicans in state houses have been doing in the past year. The answer from me is a resounding NO! I object to the presence of governors to this prayer rally. They would never get my vote.

238 Artist  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:30:07pm

So, how long before the book burnings start?

239 Lidane  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:30:08pm

re: #234 oaktree

Vote for me, or else you're a godless commie?

Nah. Too general. That's been the GOP motto since Reagan. =P

240 makeitstop  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:30:57pm

re: #211 Gus 802

Westboro Baptist showed up outside...

[Link: www.daylife.com...]

Holy crap. Reliant Center must have a higher concentration of wingnuts than anywhere in the world right now.

241 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:31:17pm

re: #240 makeitstop

Holy crap. Reliant Center must have a higher concentration of wingnuts than anywhere in the world right now.

WINGULARITY!

242 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:31:56pm

re: #237 Gus 802

I like their message way more than Perry can ever dream of. Perry is off on this one. He's a theocrat of the first order. These people are dominionists intent on creating a Christian state under biblical law. Much as most of the Republicans in state houses have been doing in the past year. The answer from me is a resounding NO! I object to the presence of governors to this prayer rally. They would never get my vote.

HEY LOOKIT SCARY ATHEISTS HOLDING SCARY SIGNS!

243 engineer cat  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:32:17pm

re: #212 Varek Raith

1. Australia is the largest island nation in the world, straddling the border of the Pacific and Indian Ocean.
2. It has a rich and exotic ecosystem supporting fantastic flora and fauna...all of which were unfortunately eaten by the monsters that live there.
3. Its primary spoken language is screaming.

4. people in australia are not allowed to swim because poisonous monsters will attack them

5. as a punishment for fatally mangling the english language, australians have been sentenced to invent vegemite and eat it in perpetuity

244 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:32:18pm

re: #241 Varek Raith

WINGULARITY!

Isn't a black hole of anti-intellectualism sort of anticlimactic?

245 blueraven  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:32:48pm

re: #235 albusteve

the pushback has to happen in the courts and with votes

Before the court and before the vote, the people will come out to speak up. As it always was, and will forever be.

246 Gus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:32:57pm

If any other group showed up at a gathering calling for Jews to convert to Christianity (Protestant) we'd never hear the end of it from the right wing. They would be calling them anti-Semites and anti-Judaica. Instead we get the usual apologia from the right wing that it's "just their religion" that tells them to speak this way.

247 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:33:08pm

re: #233 Varek Raith

What is Perry's message?

Obama and all liberals are the devil. That DEVIL they fear! In their weaselly worded way. Bizarro uneducated people.

248 calochortus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:34:14pm

Oh well, time to go get something done.

249 jaunte  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:34:14pm

re: #240 makeitstop

I wonder how many members of the Texas SBOE are attending.

250 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:34:29pm

re: #238 SteelPH

So, how long before the book burnings start?

Not gonna be any inside the stadium. Though the Phelps crowd might do them. Book burning's out of fashion since "Pastor Terry"'s little stunt a few months ago.

251 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:34:49pm

A day long rally of prayer and fasting.

I'm guessing "fasting" in this instance is the local concessionaires union saying "Fuck this show".
/

252 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:34:50pm

re: #204 BongCrodny

I've got no problem with folks yelling "Jesus, Jesus, Jesus."

The problem is, many of these folks are also the same ones yelling "Homo, Homo, Homo."

Yes, and that's awful, and not at all in line with my own way of thinking.

So . . .what do you propose to do about them?

Or shall we discuss how wrong they are, and why (which might have some small measure of influence if someone reads these comments), or shall we just bitch and moan because these people exist?

What would you suggest would be a productive thing to do?

253 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:35:08pm

re: #228 Gus 802

Image: 610x.jpg

Annie Laurie Gaylor, left, president of the Freedom From Religion Foundation, and foundation member Rodney Hinds protest outside Reliant Stadium where The Response, a day long prayer and fast rally is being held Saturday, Aug. 6, 2011, in Houston. Texas Gov. Rick Perry is speaking at the rally.

Right on!

See, while I agree that Perry and Brownback are flirting with separation of church & state issues with this prayer rally (that overtly calls for political "solutions"), especially if their state employees felt pressured to attend, I don't necessarily agree with the "Freedom from Religion" folks' overall aims.

Whether you want to worship the deity of your choice or none at all, it's our choice as Americans to do so without discrimination from the federal (and state) government(s). I don't need a bunch of people trying to "save" me from religion, because I'm more than capable of making up my own mind about such matters.

254 engineer cat  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:35:23pm

re: #246 Gus 802

If any other group showed up at a gathering calling for Jews to convert to Christianity (Protestant) we'd never hear the end of it from the right wing. They would be calling them anti-Semites and anti-Judaica. Instead we get the usual apologia from the right wing that it's "just their religion" that tells them to speak this way.

they kind of get treated as a disabled group who are excused from normal standards since they are suffering from being Tolerance Challenged

255 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:35:44pm

re: #250 Dark_Falcon

Not gonna be any inside the stadium. Though the Phelps crowd might do them. Book burning's out of fashion since "Pastor Terry"'s little stunt a few months ago.

Wouldn't the modern equivalent be everyone bringing out their iPods and deleting stuff they want banned at the same time? A "Deletion Event"?

256 Gus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:36:03pm

re: #242 Varek Raith

HEY LOOKIT SCARY ATHEISTS HOLDING SCARY SIGNS!

MILTANT ATHEISTS holding up TEH MILITANT SIGN!!11ty

All two of them.

257 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:36:05pm

re: #252 reine.de.tout

Yes, and that's awful, and not at all in line with my own way of thinking.

So . . .what do you propose to do about them?

Or shall we discuss how wrong they are, and why (which might have some small measure of influence if someone reads these comments), or shall we just bitch and moan because these people exist?

What would you suggest would be a productive thing to do?

Fight them politically.
In the courts.

258 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:36:17pm

re: #244 oaktree

Isn't a black hole of anti-intellectualism sort of anticlimactic?

Yes, but it can still be destroyed by the Sun Crusher, so Varek can provide the climax.

259 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:37:05pm

re: #253 talon_262

See, while I agree that Perry and Brownback are flirting with separation of church & state issues with this prayer rally (that overtly calls for political "solutions"), especially if their state employees felt pressured to attend, I don't necessarily agree with the "Freedom from Religion" folks' overall aims.

Whether you want to worship the deity of your choice or none at all, it's our choice as Americans to do so without discrimination from the federal (and state) government(s). I don't need a bunch of people trying to "save" me from religion, because I'm more than capable of making up my own mind about such matters.

Quite Concur. I'm not a Dominionist, but I am a believer.

260 sod  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:37:27pm

re: #252 reine.de.tout

Well, if any of them are elected to office, you could have them take an oath that they wouldn't let their religious beliefs trump the will of the people.

Maybe even make them swear it on a bible.

261 makeitstop  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:37:32pm

re: #249 jaunte

I wonder how many members of the Texas SBOE are attending.

Where the hell are the Sub-Genii? This thing needs moar Bob Dobbs, dammit.

262 Gus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:37:33pm

re: #253 talon_262

See, while I agree that Perry and Brownback are flirting with separation of church & state issues with this prayer rally (that overtly calls for political "solutions"), especially if their state employees felt pressured to attend, I don't necessarily agree with the "Freedom from Religion" folks' overall aims.

Whether you want to worship the deity of your choice or none at all, it's our choice as Americans to do so without discrimination from the federal (and state) government(s). I don't need a bunch of people trying to "save" me from religion, because I'm more than capable of making up my own mind about such matters.

The freedom from religion folks are the ones working hard to keep creationism out of our schools.

263 AK-47%  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:37:56pm

re: #251 Slumbering Behemoth

A day long rally of prayer and fasting.

I'm guessing "fasting" in this instance is the local concessionaires union saying "Fuck this show".
/


Just like Ramadan!!! I hope this nuance is not lost on them, as is the rule forbidding firearms

264 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:38:05pm

re: #259 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur. I'm not a Dominionist, but I am a believer.

You did read the quote about the Jews for Jesus slant?

265 Lidane  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:38:20pm

re: #249 jaunte

I wonder how many members of the Texas SBOE are attending.

If they have an (R) after their name, all of them.

266 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:38:39pm

re: #217 Stanley Sea

This whole thread and commentary is about separation of Church and State.

It's becoming so blurred, without much push back. By falling back on defending religion per se, we are missing the point.

And also, by falling back and poking fun at people because of the way they pray, and not about what they are praying for, we are missing the point.

267 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:38:40pm

re: #253 talon_262

See, while I agree that Perry and Brownback are flirting with separation of church & state issues with this prayer rally (that overtly calls for political "solutions"), especially if their state employees felt pressured to attend, I don't necessarily agree with the "Freedom from Religion" folks' overall aims.

Whether you want to worship the deity of your choice or none at all, it's our choice as Americans to do so without discrimination from the federal (and state) government(s). I don't need a bunch of people trying to "save" me from religion, because I'm more than capable of making up my own mind about such matters.

I don't think the Freedom of Religion people are trying to save you.

I think their displays and ads do a great job of pointing out the massive hypocrisy that accompanies organized religion in out society and how various municipal/city/county/state officials and organizations bend over backwards to protect it despite legal strictures to not do so.

268 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:39:26pm

re: #266 reine.de.tout

And also, by falling back and poking fun at people because of the way they pray, and not about what they are praying for, we are missing the point.

Only a couple of people, long gone from the thread did that.

269 Gus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:39:36pm

@delvalau Delaware Valley AU

Texas Freedom Network: Tell Gov. Perry: Stop Using Faith as a Political Weapon: [Link: t.co...] via @AddThis

Right on.

270 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:40:42pm

re: #258 Dark_Falcon

Varek can provide the climax.

DO! NOT! WANT!

271 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:40:49pm

re: #260 sod

Well, if any of them are elected to office, you could have them take an oath that they wouldn't let their religious beliefs trump the will of the people.

Maybe even make them swear it on a bible.

I don't think so. How is the will of the people determined? By polls, by emails sent in, by campaign donations? What would be the standard?

272 Artist  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:41:05pm

Religion and Politics should not mix. Ever.

273 sod  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:42:08pm

re: #271 Dark_Falcon

I don't know, I was just trying come up with a lead in to the "swear it on a bible" bit.

274 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:42:19pm

re: #272 SteelPH

Religion and Politics should not mix. Ever.

Sorry, but they will always mingle to some degree. Because religion influences people's moral perceptions, and that makes a major difference in their politics.

275 blueraven  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:42:19pm

re: #252 reine.de.tout

Yes, and that's awful, and not at all in line with my own way of thinking.

So . . .what do you propose to do about them?

Or shall we discuss how wrong they are, and why (which might have some small measure of influence if someone reads these comments), or shall we just bitch and moan because these people exist?

What would you suggest would be a productive thing to do?

I dont think the argument is over the fact that these people exist. Maybe it is for a very few, but most people are genuinely upset that this is a government/church sponsored event.

276 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:42:49pm

re: #232 blueraven

QFT

But just to repeat; some comments are counter productive when they just slam religion in general. Freedom of and from Religion is a basic right for all US citizens.

Well yeah.
Except for those deemed to be mere fuckstains and good arguments for abortion.
There's that.

277 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:43:19pm

re: #276 reine.de.tout

Well yeah.
Except for those deemed to be mere fuckstains and good arguments for abortion.
There's that.

What do you mean?

278 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:43:43pm

re: #260 sod

Well, if any of them are elected to office, you could have them take an oath that they wouldn't let their religious beliefs trump the will of the people.

Maybe even make them swear it on a bible.

But even the Devil can swear on a stack of bibles.

279 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:43:45pm

re: #168 reine.de.tout

So is this.

And this.

In those cases, religion is incidental.

To paraphrase some guy: Think of an act of genuine kindness or charity that could only have been performed by a person acting on religious instruction. Now think of an an act of cruelty and horror that could only have been performed by a person acting on religious instruction.

280 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:44:06pm

re: #277 Dark_Falcon

What do you mean?

Way back in the beginning of the tread. Way back. They are gone, shamed, and thinking it over I hope.

Time to move on.

281 Renaissance_Man  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:44:12pm

re: #146 Gus 802

I wonder what life in Australia is like.

Amazing. You'd be very welcome. Leave your guns here.

282 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:44:49pm

re: #277 Dark_Falcon

What do you mean?

See earlier comments by lezardo and udon.
I'm done in this thread, I got steamed and it hasn't worn off yet.

283 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:45:26pm

re: #281 Renaissance_Man

Amazing. You'd be very welcome. Leave your guns here.

No.
Keep your guns.
You'll need them to fend of the giant spiders and man eating kangaroos.
/

284 prairiefire  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:45:27pm

re: #230 Stanley Sea

The best thing out of Australia by far is

THIS by far

Too true.

285 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:45:30pm

re: #276 reine.de.tout

Just two prickish comments, friend. We love you.

286 Renaissance_Man  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:46:17pm

re: #203 Lidane

What's the venomous creature population in New Zealand? Anyone know?

If I ever had to relocate abroad, it looks like a nice place, but if there are big spiders and snakes that can and will kill me, I'd like to know.

NZ has zero native venomous creatures as far as I know. Entirely different from Oz. That said, the penalty is having to live with New Zealanders.

287 AK-47%  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:46:26pm

re: #272 SteelPH

Religion and Politics should not mix. Ever.


Religion serves as a basis for personal morals and decisions. They can be reflected in laws and jurisdiction, have been for centuries, but human law has to reflect human limitations and realities, Divine Law does not. People get the two confused.

288 BongCrodny  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:47:02pm

re: #252 reine.de.tout

Yes, and that's awful, and not at all in line with my own way of thinking.

So . . .what do you propose to do about them?

Or shall we discuss how wrong they are, and why (which might have some small measure of influence if someone reads these comments), or shall we just bitch and moan because these people exist?

What would you suggest would be a productive thing to do?


I don't know what the answer is here; I just don't want it sugarcoated that this is *only* a revival.

The folks attending The Response may be all good, loving Christians, but I'm not giving much leeway at all to its organizers.

Southern Poverty Law Center: A Parade of Anti-Gay Figures Joins Texas Governor's Prayer Rally

289 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:48:03pm

Why am I not surprised Australia?

290 Gus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:48:55pm

re: #289 Varek Raith

Why am I not surprised Australia?

The great Saber Tooth Kangaroo!

//

291 AK-47%  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:49:07pm

re: #288 BongCrodny


Leviticus 18:22

292 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:49:16pm

re: #290 Gus 802

The great Saber Tooth Kangaroo!

//

Also;

The research team has also unearthed evidence of a large carnivorous bird dubbed the "demon duck of doom".
293 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:49:28pm

re: #284 prairiefire

I could not disagree more strongly.

294 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:49:43pm

Locksmith -- a career with job security and respectable pay.

Don't ask why this is relevant to me right now.

How is everyone?

295 blueraven  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:50:58pm

re: #276 reine.de.tout

Well yeah.
Except for those deemed to be mere fuckstains and good arguments for abortion.
There's that.

Which I already condemned in a previous post and reiterated in the post you replied to. So I am not sure why you pointed this out to me.

re: #196 blueraven

Now some people here have gone over the top with the abortion talk and fuckstain comment. They do not add anything constructive to this conversation.

296 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:51:28pm

re: #290 Gus 802

The great Saber Tooth Kangaroo!

//

And that "carnivorous bird"?

It's the Crocoduck!

297 makeitstop  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:51:49pm

re: #284 prairiefire

Too true.

Kylie gets my vote. Maybe Poppy Montgomery.

298 AK-47%  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:52:40pm

re: #297 makeitstop

Why has Rolf Harris escaped mention up to this point?

299 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:52:42pm

I didn't read about the prayer rally. I don't want to be pissed-off today.

300 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:52:44pm

re: #297 makeitstop

Kylie gets my vote. Maybe Poppy Montgomery.


Nothing, nothing on the JackMan.

301 makeitstop  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:53:01pm

re: #298 ralphieboy

Why has Rolf Harris escaped mention up to this point?

Gotta be the beard.

302 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:53:07pm

re: #298 ralphieboy

Why has Rolf Harris escaped mention up to this point?

Rolf -teehee

Who would name their kid Rolf.

good for a German Shepherd tho.

303 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:53:10pm

Now they have teenagers calling for revival in their generation.

304 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:53:18pm

re: #296 Dark_Falcon

And that "carnivorous bird"?

It's the Crocoduck!

AWWWWW!

305 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:53:43pm

re: #303 Dark_Falcon

Now they have teenagers calling for revival in their generation.

revival of what?

306 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:54:14pm

re: #296 Dark_Falcon

And that "carnivorous bird"?

It's the Crocoduck!

Ah, the most hilarious creationist talking point evah!

307 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:54:16pm

re: #303 Dark_Falcon

Good luck with that.

308 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:54:21pm

re: #305 ggt

revival of what?

Christianity, in its more socially conservative forms.

309 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:54:54pm

Not to mention the attraction of the educational opportunities in Australia - such as philosophy...

Youtube Video
310 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:55:03pm

The song calls for a "Great Awakening". Of which America has had several.

311 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:55:09pm

re: #308 Dark_Falcon

Christianity, in its more socially conservative forms.

Orthodox?

Probably to orthodox for them. They seem to want puritanical.

312 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:55:12pm

re: #305 ggt

revival of what?

of zombies!

/i wish

313 makeitstop  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:55:18pm

re: #300 Stanley Sea

Nothing, nothing on the JackMan.

It depends purely upon which side of the gender fence you're standing, I think. :)

314 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:55:19pm

re: #306 Varek Raith

Ah, the most hilarious creationist talking point evah!

That said, we need to genetically splice a crocodile and a duck to make such a creature.
Great pets!

315 BongCrodny  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:55:33pm

re: #290 Gus 802

The great Saber Tooth Kangaroo!

//


One of my favorite non-Bugs/Daffy Looney Tunes cartoons was Chow Hound, which featured the "saber tooth alley catus."

If you remember the punch line "This time we didn't forget the gravy!" you'll know which one I'm talking about.

316 Alexzander  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:55:58pm

re: #310 Dark_Falcon

The song calls for a "Great Awakening". Of which America has had several.

Is there a live stream?

317 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:56:17pm

re: #314 Varek Raith

That said, we need to genetically splice a crocodile and a duck to make such a creature.
Great pets!

*cue an SP clip*

/lazy

318 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:56:19pm

re: #303 Dark_Falcon

Good luck with that. Their aggressive idiocy formed the first step of me converting.

They might want to change tactics if they don't want to hemorrhage believers in my generation

319 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:56:32pm

Off to make some coffee.

320 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:56:42pm

The thing about prayer --As I understand it, you can't really ask G-d for something specific.

Like praying to end abortion, G-d might decide to do that by sending a plague that makes everyone sterile.

321 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:57:04pm

re: #311 ggt

Orthodox?

Probably to orthodox for them. They seem to want puritanical.

Not really. The Puritans were Yankees, and most of these people don't sound Calvinist anyway.

322 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:57:36pm

re: #316 Alexzander

Is there a live stream?

Here.

323 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:57:42pm

re: #321 Dark_Falcon

Not really. The Puritans were Yankees, and most of these people don't sound Calvinist anyway.

Southern Baptist?

324 makeitstop  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:58:01pm

re: #314 Varek Raith

Great pets!

Youtube Video
325 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:58:36pm

re: #321 Dark_Falcon

Not really. The Puritans were Yankees, and most of these people don't sound Calvinist anyway.

Or is it just whatever will fill Rick Perry's coffers -- religion du jour

326 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 1:59:23pm

re: #320 ggt

The thing about prayer --As I understand it, you can't really ask G-d for something specific.

Like praying to end abortion, G-d might decide to do that by sending a plague that makes everyone sterile.

The Lizard King addressed this question awhile back

Youtube Video
327 Gus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:00:04pm

@rightwingwatch Right Wing Watch

Kind of scary to realize #TheResponse organizers actually kept their most embarrassing endorsers off the stage & away from the cameras.

328 AK-47%  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:00:05pm

re: #320 ggt


Those who understand prayer understanad that it involves asking God to make you understand his will better and act accordingly.

The best illustration of how prayer works is the joke about the old Jewish guy who prays to God every Sabbath to help him win the lottery.

Finally, God answers "Okay, you have been a devout believer and worship and pray regularly. I will help you win the lottery. But you have to do one more thing for me first!"

"What is that, Lord?" he asks

"You have to go out and buy a damn lottery ticket!!!"

329 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:00:33pm

re: #326 oaktree

The Lizard King addressed this question awhile back

[Video]

I don't see Charles anywhere on that vid.

/

330 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:00:45pm

re: #323 ggt

Southern Baptist?

Yes, more likely.

331 Gus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:01:44pm

@dscanlon David Scanlon

#theresponse makes me feel like the US is a hairs-breadth away from @margaretatwood's "the handmaid's tale"

332 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:02:19pm

re: #328 ralphieboy

Those who understand prayer understanad that it involves asking God to make you understand his will better and act accordingly.

The best illustration of how prayer works is the joke about the old Jewish guy who prays to God every Sabbath to help him win the lottery.

Finally, God answers "Okay, you have been a devout believer and worship and pray regularly. I will help you win the lottery. But you have to do one more thing for me first!"

"What is that, Lord?" he asks

"You have to go out and buy a damn lottery ticket!!!"

Knowledge of his will and the power to carry it out?

333 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:02:47pm

re: #331 Gus 802

@dscanlon David Scanlon

#theresponse makes me feel like the US is a hairs-breadth away from @margaretatwood's "the handmaid's tale"

Never read it, it sounded horrible.

334 BongCrodny  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:02:48pm

re: #291 ralphieboy

Leviticus 18:22

Huh. I never read Leviticus before.

Punctuation is the key here, though.

F'rinstance, how do we know that:

"Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable."

isn't supposed to read:

"Do not have sexual relations with a man, as one does with a woman that is detestable."

335 Alexzander  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:02:56pm

Gotta give the organizers of this event credit- getting all those people there in such a state.
I wish that many people would show up for rallys to support funding for homeless shelters or other social causes.

336 Idle Drifter  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:04:07pm

Nine Filly Tails - Head Like a Foal

Youtube Video
337 Alexzander  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:04:23pm
Your the only solution! Your the only resolution.. LET THERE BE LIGHT!!!
338 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:05:04pm

Oh fuck yes please!

339 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:05:21pm

re: #294 ggt

Locksmith -- a career with job security and respectable pay.

Don't ask why this is relevant to me right now.

How is everyone?

Good luck getting into that biz. I half-assedly tried it a while back, and was treated like I was obviously Osama bin Laden trying to get a job at NORAD. Turns out that being a nerdy introvert who is easily fascinated by intricate mechanical things is frowned upon by the locksmithing community. Also, there is such a thing as a locksmithing community.

340 Alexzander  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:05:39pm

I wonder how many people are watching this on the live stream right now.

341 makeitstop  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:06:27pm

re: #338 Slumbering Behemoth

Oh fuck yes please!

I was pretty surprised to see Seth McFarlane's name associated with that project. My wife, who adores Carl Sagan, is really excited about it.

342 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:06:35pm

re: #339 negativ

Good luck getting into that biz. I half-assedly tried it a while back, and was treated like I was obviously Osama bin Laden trying to get a job at NORAD. Turns out that being a nerdy introvert who is easily fascinated by intricate mechanical things is frowned upon by the locksmithing community. Also, there is such a thing as a locksmithing community.

oh, not me.

I would put on my list of possible choices for a young person -- along with Plumber and Electrician.

343 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:06:58pm

re: #340 Alexzander

I don't have the stomach for it.

344 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:07:56pm

God tweets again

TheTweetOfGod God

I have plenty of angels skilled in covert ops, America. So please, please, please stop sending Me Navy Seals.

345 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:08:07pm

I wish we could just ignore these people.

Taliban of the US Chrisitan Whackos™

346 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:08:11pm

re: #192 reine.de.tout

All sorts of people will try to influence policy, all the time.
Some I will agree with, others not.
But individual people in this country, including those who pray and are religious, have a right to have an opinion, to express it - all of which is an attempt to influence policy.

Shall we discuss pros and cons of the policies they are trying to influence? Now there's a discussion.

But being so pissed off for no reason other than people have the right to try to influence policy in this country, and use that right, is silly, and leads to epithets such as "fuckstain" (that lizard used) being used to describe human beings, which is utterly ridiculous and unproductive.

(Fischer) held gays responsible for the Holocaust and likened them to domestic terrorists and Nazis who are intent on committing “virtual genocide” against the military, and asserts that “homosexuals should be disqualified from public office”;
said “we have feminized the Medal of Honor” by awarding it to a soldier who saved his fellow combatants rather than killing enemies;
demanded all immigrants “convert to Christianity” and renounce their religions;
asserted that Muslims have “no fundamental First Amendment claims” and should be banned from building mosques and deported from the US, adding that Muslims are inherently stupid as a result of inbreeding;
claimed African American women “rut like rabbits” due to welfare and that Native Americans are “morally disqualified” from living in America because they didn’t convert to Christianity and were consequently cursed by God with alcoholism and poverty;
said that the anti-Muslim manifesto of the right-wing Christian terrorist who killed dozens in Norway was “accurate.”

Other AFA leaders and activists are just as radical:

AFA President Tim Wildmon claims that by repealing Don’t Ask Don’t Tell President Obama shows he “doesn’t give a rip about the Marines or the Army” and “just wants to force homosexuality into every place that he can.”
AFA Vice President Buddy Smith, who is on the leadership council of The Response, said that gays and lesbians are “in the clasp of Satan.”
The head of the AFA’s women’s group led a boycott against Glee because she accused it of indoctrinating children in homosexuality and idolatry.The editor of AFA Journal Ed Vitagliano said that gay pride months are an affront to the Founding Fathers and will usher in “a return to pagan sexuality.”
A columnist for the AFA demanded Christians stop practicing yoga because it was inspired by the “evil” religions of Buddhism and Hinduism.

"Fuckstain" is really not strong enough language for these people

347 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:08:57pm

re: #335 Alexzander

Gotta give the organizers of this event credit- getting all those people there in such a state.
I wish that many people would show up for rallys to support funding for homeless shelters or other social causes.

Yeah, I bet $ raised from this thing (books, cd's, dvd's) goes back to the organizers fat accounts. It's really a shame.

348 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:09:29pm

re: #347 Stanley Sea

Yeah, I bet $ raised from this thing (books, cd's, dvd's) goes back to the organizers fat accounts. It's really a shame.

God is big business!

349 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:10:33pm

re: #346 WindUpBird

Fuck off, jerk.

350 Idle Drifter  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:11:20pm

re: #348 WindUpBird

God is big business!

Wasn't it Jesus that cast out the money changers and merchants from the Temple then got nailed to the cross for it?

351 Alexzander  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:11:28pm

LOL at the guy doing that arm/leg crossing dance move at the front.

352 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:11:33pm

re: #349 Dark_Falcon

Fuck off, jerk.

We all know how you feel :)

353 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:11:40pm

re: #338 Slumbering Behemoth

Oh fuck yes please!

Fitting.

Youtube Video
354 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:12:01pm

re: #350 Idle Drifter

Wasn't it Jesus that cast out the money changers and merchants from the Temple then got nailed to the cross for it?

yeah!

355 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:12:50pm

Something strange is going on upstairs.

I may need a LGF for Dummies chapter written on it.

356 Alexzander  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:13:05pm

Jesus was a bad ass.

357 Alexzander  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:13:55pm

re: #355 ggt

Something strange is going on upstairs.

I may need a LGF for Dummies chapter written on it.

?

358 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:14:54pm

re: #338 Slumbering Behemoth

Oh fuck yes please!

I follow his Tweets.

359 Gus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:16:09pm

re: #349 Dark_Falcon

Fuck off, jerk.

@JoeMyGod JoeMyGod
#TheResponse organizer Tony Perkins has ties to the Ku Klux Klan. He paid them $82K for their mailing list. [Link: bit.ly...] #KKK

360 laZardo  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:16:18pm

re: #168 reine.de.tout

Ah, yes. Catholicism.

361 Gus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:18:46pm

@rightwingwatch Right Wing Watch

PFAW: If "Perry wishes to bring Americans together, lifting up voices of intolerance & division is not the way to do it" [Link: t.co...]

@rightwingwatch Right Wing Watch

PFAW condemns Texas Gov. Rick Perry for partnering with extremists like Bryan Fischer and John Hagee for #TheResponse [Link: t.co...]

362 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:19:05pm

re: #359 Gus 802

@JoeMyGod JoeMyGod
#TheResponse organizer Tony Perkins has ties to the Ku Klux Klan. He paid them $82K for their mailing list. [Link: bit.ly...] #KKK

That's just lovely

363 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:19:19pm

re: #353 negativ

Fitting.

[Video]

Indeed. Neil is fooking brilliant, witty, funny, and has a gift for explaining his field in a way that ignorant laymen like me can understand. I am really stoked about this. My only hope is that Fox doesn't cancel it mid-season.

364 Gus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:19:51pm

re: #362 ggt

That's just lovely

Yeah. Previously covered at LGF. Could easily find a link I suppose.

365 Gus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:20:59pm

@peoplefor PFAW

Rick Perry's Prayer Rally, Sponsored by Intolerance [Link: t.co...] #p2 #TheResponse

Full quote since this is a press release:

PFAW: Rick Perry's Prayer Rally, Sponsored by Intolerance

Texas Gov. Rick Perry today held The Response prayer rally, an event he organized with the the American Family Association, a group with a history of intolerance toward gays and lesbians, Muslims, Native Americans and progressives.

Along with Gov. Perry and Gov. Sam Brownback of Kansas, the event drew speakers from the extreme right, including James Dobson and John Hagee, whose statements about Catholics and Jews led John McCain to reject his endorsement in 2008.

People For the American Way's Right Wing Watch exposed the extreme views of the American Family Association and many other participants in The Response in the weeks leading up to the rally. Right Wing Watch's research can be found here.

"Gov. Perry and Gov. Brownback, as Americans, are free to worship however they like with whoever they like," said Michael Keegan, President of People For the American Way. "But it is troubling that both are willing to partner with, and lend credibility to, people like John Hagee and the American Family Association at such a high-profile event.

"The AFA has claimed that gays and lesbians are responsible for the Holocaust, that Native Americans deserved to be driven out of their lands, and that Muslims have no First Amendment rights. John Hagee has called the Catholic Church the 'great whore' and claimed that God sent Hitler to kill the Jews. It's absolutely stunning that a man who is considering running for president of the United States is not only appearing with these extremist figures, but giving them a national stage on which to promote their views.

"If Gov. Perry wishes to bring Americans together, lifting up voices of intolerance and division is not the way to do it."

Yesterday, People For the American Way's African American Ministers in Action, a nationwide network of African American clergy, also urged Perry to denounce the divisive rhetoric of the AFA .

366 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:23:00pm

re: #360 laZardo

Ah, yes. Catholicism.

You will not find a more ardent critic than Reine when it comes to the way the church has handled such atrocities, Catholic though she is. She has more integrity than the both of us put together, so I don't see why sniping at her with this is in any way relevant.

368 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:23:36pm

re: #359 Gus 802

@JoeMyGod JoeMyGod
#TheResponse organizer Tony Perkins has ties to the Ku Klux Klan. He paid them $82K for their mailing list. [Link: bit.ly...] #KKK

I mean, but I'd hate to hurt Dark falcon's Feelings, by insulting the poor poor neo-KKK

369 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:24:11pm

re: #279 negativ

In those cases, religion is incidental.

To paraphrase some guy: Think of an act of genuine kindness or charity that could only have been performed by a person acting on religious instruction. Now think of an an act of cruelty and horror that could only have been performed by a person acting on religious instruction.

Anyone wanting to do evil will find a reason to do it.
Anyone wanting to do good will find a reason to do it.

No, in those cases religion is not incidental.

370 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:24:34pm

re: #366 Slumbering Behemoth

You will not find a more ardent critic than Reine when it comes to the way the church has handled such atrocities, Catholic though she is. She has more integrity than the both of us put together, so I don't see why sniping at her with this is in any way relevant.

Because it's such fucking fun.

371 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:26:25pm

re: #366 Slumbering Behemoth

You will not find a more ardent critic than Reine when it comes to the way the church has handled such atrocities, Catholic though she is. She has more integrity than the both of us put together, so I don't see why sniping at her with this is in any way relevant.

But thanks, Sleepy B.
I thought I was over it, apparently not.

372 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:26:25pm

re: #370 reine.de.tout

It's stupid, and now I'm getting steamed.

373 Gus  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:28:09pm

I don't want to get involved in the personal stuff. Getting too hot here anyway. Later.

374 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:29:46pm

re: #320 ggt

The thing about prayer --As I understand it, you can't really ask G-d for something specific.

Like praying to end abortion, G-d might decide to do that by sending a plague that makes everyone sterile.

It's these people who think bad things happen as some sort of punishment; and if people are good and pray loud enough and long enough, God will reward them that I don't get. Really.

I've gotten strength in difficult times through my faith. And when God helps me with strength when I need it, that's about as powerful a thing as there is, IMO. And it's no sort of reward to me, God knows I'm nowhere near the best person I could be; it's simply there if I ask.

375 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:31:31pm

re: #372 Slumbering Behemoth

It's stupid, and now I'm getting steamed.

{{{sleepy b}}}
Let it be.
I'm gonna move upstairs.

376 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:34:16pm

re: #363 Slumbering Behemoth

Indeed. Neil is fooking brilliant, witty, funny, and has a gift for explaining his field in a way that ignorant laymen like me can understand. I am really stoked about this. My only hope is that Fox doesn't cancel it mid-season.

Fox canceled the best sci-fi series since ST:TNG after only 11 episodes. Of course they're going to fuck it up somehow.

377 laZardo  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:38:34pm

re: #369 reine.de.tout

Anyone wanting to do evil will find a reason to do it.
Anyone wanting to do good will find a reason to do it.

No, in those cases religion is not incidental.

No single religion holds a monopoly on virtue. Thus, it can be asserted that virtue is not specifically a religious trait.

378 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 2:51:13pm

re: #377 laZardo

No single religion holds a monopoly on virtue. Thus, it can be asserted that virtue is not specifically a religious trait.

I never said it was, I think you're making stuff up to satisfy your own need to viciously hate something you don't like.

But virtue can be a religious trait, as it is lived by individuals. You seem to think it isn't ever. You are wrong.

379 laZardo  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 3:36:42pm

re: #378 reine.de.tout

I never said it was, I think you're making stuff up to satisfy your own need to viciously hate something you don't like.

But virtue can be a religious trait, as it is lived by individuals. You seem to think it isn't ever. You are wrong.

I was countering your rebuttal to negativ that religion isn't incidental in deeds relating to virtue. Again:

To paraphrase some guy: Think of an act of genuine kindness or charity that could only have been performed by a person acting on religious instruction

380 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 4:17:03pm

re: #379 laZardo

I was countering your rebuttal to negativ that religion isn't incidental in deeds relating to virtue. Again:

And again, my response:


Anyone wanting to do evil will find a reason to do it.
Anyone wanting to do good will find a reason to do it.

No, in those cases religion is not incidental.

"Those cases" referring to the specific things I linked.
You may think it's incidental, that is merely your opinion.
It's my opinion it isn't. And you will not ever convince me otherwise, especially since you've shown how viciously you despise, detest and hate, religion AND THOSE who are religious. It's my opinion that in this matter, your opinion seems sadly and seriously warped in this matter and driven by a really irrational hatred.

381 sffilk  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 4:34:06pm

Why do I get the sickening feeling that there's going to be an anti-Jewish, anti-gay, anti-everyone-who's-different era that will end up looking a lot similar to Europe in the 1930's? It's getting scary.

382 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 9:09:07pm

re: #180 blueraven

But that exactly what this event was planned to do. Influence policy.

They intend to do a lot more than influence policy. The goal is absolute, theocratic rule.

Not even Christian rule -- like Breivik's disdain towards Protestants, this is a group of Protestants and post-prots who believe they are being oppressed because their preferred lifestyle is just one of many. They believe theirs should be the only option, which of course is no option at all.

If people think "fuckstain" is a nasty epithet, they should take a look at the filthy names and designs these people have for anyone not like them.

383 laZardo  Sat, Aug 6, 2011 9:13:46pm

re: #380 reine.de.tout

And again, my response:

"Those cases" referring to the specific things I linked.
You may think it's incidental, that is merely your opinion.
It's my opinion it isn't. And you will not ever convince me otherwise, especially since you've shown how viciously you despise, detest and hate, religion AND THOSE who are religious. It's my opinion that in this matter, your opinion seems sadly and seriously warped in this matter and driven by a really irrational hatred.

Tu quoque.

384 Nadnerb  Sun, Aug 7, 2011 10:07:40pm

It's been a while, but after spending a week in the hospital with my wife and newborn daughter, I feel compelled to add my .02 here. Most of this video seems fairly in-line with common Christian and Catholic teaching and belief, delivery notwithstanding. The oratory here may seem a tad thick, especially at the end, but every week in Catholic mass there are prayers to end the practice of abortion and many Christians pray privately for the mothers and the unborn. I don't think that's extreme or offensive. Freedom of choice is the law of the land (generally), and that's the world we live in. I don't seek to overthrow current laws, nor do I support any sort of extreme movement, but I can lament the practice of abortion, something I feel stops human life. I dare say most reasonable Christians feel something similar.

385 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 4:47:18pm

re: #384 Nadnerb

And what would replace abortion, exactly? Extremely large orphanages?

Or is that not really your problem?


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