Stocks Plunge Again As Tea Goes Bitter

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I expect to see Tea Partiers cheering this news; after all, it’s what they said they wanted.

(Reuters) - U.S. stocks plunged on Monday, taking the S&P 500 down more than 6 percent on growing fears of a recession, exacerbated by the loss of the country’s pristine triple-A credit rating.

Panicked selling on heavy volume resulted in the S&P 500’s worst day since December 2008, with every stock in the benchmark index ending in negative territory.

Case in point:

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181 comments
1 SpaceJesus  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 1:57:11pm

look at all these old pieces of shit

2 Bulworth  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:00:45pm

But it's still all obama's fault.

//

3 brennant  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:00:49pm

re: #1 SpaceJesus

look at all these old pieces of shit

They sure are happy about the economy going down the toilet.

4 Bulworth  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:01:17pm

re: #3 brennant

They sure are happy about the economy going down the toilet.

As long as the gubmit checks keep coming in....

5 Kragar  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:01:35pm

re: #3 brennant

They sure are happy about the economy going down the toilet.

"THOSE WELFARE MOM'S ARE BLEEDING US DRY!"

6 Lidane  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:02:20pm

Keep yer gubmint hands off mah Medicare!

/Tea Party

7 ProMayaLiberal  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:02:22pm

OT, but it looks like the EDL may be using the riots as cover.

KC_Tripolitania by dovenews
Rioters have attcked #Whitechapel Mosque during iftar in East London- windows smashed. Muslims trying to protect worshipers. #LondonRiots

8 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:03:50pm

Great investing advice from the link:

"I've been in this business almost 30 years. When it gets to the point where you want to throw up, it's probably time to buy, and we're there," said Angel Mata, managing director of listed equity trading at Stifel Nicolaus Capital Markets in Baltimore.
9 Lidane  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:04:01pm

re: #7 ProLifeLiberal

OT, but it looks like the EDL may be using the riots as cover.

You mean those peace loving patriots may not be so peaceful after all?

Who could have predicted that?

///

10 Bulworth  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:04:28pm

re: #9 Lidane

You mean those peace loving patriots may not be so peaceful after all?

Who could have predicted that?

///

Look what you made us do!

//

11 The Yankee  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:04:47pm

The S&P are secret Tea Partiers.

12 Charleston Chew  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:08:10pm

Just to get the context straight, am I witnessing a disconnect between the speaker and the audience here? Is she saying "How dare they link this terrible downgrade to us," while her audience is communicating, "Hooray! We succeeded in creating this awesome downgrade!" Am I witnessing the speaker lady underestimating the level of crazy in her own tea party?

13 ProMayaLiberal  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:08:51pm

re: #9 Lidane

At least that's the impression I get from that tweet. Nothing else has come out about this incident, but my money is on that.

14 The Yankee  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:09:06pm

re: #1 SpaceJesus

look at all these old pieces of shit

There is is little known fact but events like these were the back story to Logan's Run

15 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:10:23pm

re: #12 Charleston Chew

Just to get the context straight, am I witnessing a disconnect between the speaker and the audience here? Is she saying "How dare they link this terrible downgrade to us," while her audience is communicating, "Hooray! We succeeded in creating this awesome downgrade!" Am I witnessing the speaker lady underestimating the level of crazy in her own tea party?

You betcha.

16 Ming  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:10:52pm

I think that a significant part of the markets' decline is the realization that yes, many Republicans really would be very happy to keep the economy in low gear, because their top priority is to deny Obama re-election next year. Once you realize that, you appreciate how unlikely a strong economy recovery is in the foreseeable future.

17 Bulworth  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:12:12pm

re: #15 Charles

You betcha.

Well, they probably haven't all gotten the memo yet. It may take a little bit to make sure they're all repeating the same talking points.

18 ProMayaLiberal  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:13:53pm

re: #16 Ming

Speaking of which, the 3 day tracker for Obama's Approval on Gallup shows his approval going up, and disapproval going down.

19 Charleston Chew  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:14:23pm

re: #16 Ming

I think that a significant part of the markets' decline is the realization that yes, many Republicans really would be very happy to keep the economy in low gear, because their top priority is to deny Obama re-election next year. Once you realize that, you appreciate how unlikely a strong economy recovery is in the foreseeable future.

Especially when you realize that the people that are trying to hold down the economy are the same people you're donating a lot of money to, if you're the US Chamber Of Commerce, for example.

20 Alexzander  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:14:26pm
Guardian: Hackney riots police response - video
 Violence flared in Hackney's Mare Street area today. John Domokos talks to local residents as police dog units move in

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

21 laZardo  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:15:26pm

re: #18 ProLifeLiberal

Hopefully it's not just a post-speech bump. It's still very likely that he'll take the blame instead of or more than the Republicans.

22 ProMayaLiberal  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:16:15pm

re: #21 laZardo

The way it sounds, it looks like this was done before the speech.

23 Bulworth  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:17:07pm

re: #12 Charleston Chew

Just to get the context straight, am I witnessing a disconnect between the speaker and the audience here? Is she saying "How dare they link this terrible downgrade to us," while her audience is communicating, "Hooray! We succeeded in creating this awesome downgrade!" Am I witnessing the speaker lady underestimating the level of crazy in her own tea party?

Of course there's no reason for teabaggers not to embrace both points of view. Hooray! but how dare you!

24 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:18:10pm

Sign outside of NYSE: "JUMP! You fuckers!" [Link: t.co...]

25 jc717  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:20:15pm

What's funny is that treasuries are actually up today. Equities took a beating. The markets pretty much ignored the S&P downgrade.

26 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:21:35pm

Is she listening to her audience or what?

27 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:21:53pm

re: #2 Bulworth

But it's still all obama's fault.

//

They get to have their way and blame Obama for the result, too.

28 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:22:14pm

re: #25 jc717

What's funny is that treasuries are actually up today. Equities took a beating. The markets pretty much ignored the S&P downgrade.

Right.
That's why it was down 5.5% today. Nothing to do with the downgrade.
Yep.
Or something.

29 Bulworth  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:22:48pm

Apparently the S&P is affecting the market but not because it doubts the U.S. will pay its debt.

30 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:24:46pm

BTW, Harris Teeter makes good chili.

31 Bulworth  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:24:56pm

From the above link:

While the markets don't give a fig about S&P's analysis of the creditworthiness of US debt, it does appear to fear that governments will be pushed to follow S&P's bad economic advice:

The downgrade of the United States’s debt to AA+ from AAA has global implications, said Alessandro Giansanti, a credit market strategist at ING in Amsterdam. “We can see that this may force the U.S. to move more aggressively to cut spending,” he said, something that could drive the already weak economy into recession and weigh on the economies of all of its trading partners. “That’s the main driver” of the stock market declines, he said.

Krugman makes a similar point:


[M]aybe there is an S&P story — but not the one you think. Arguably, that downgrade will bully policy makers into even more deflationary, contractionary policies than they would have undertaken otherwise, which has the perverse effect of making US debt more attractive, since the alternatives are worse.

32 blueraven  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:27:10pm

So here is the republican response. Cantor sends a memo to republicans:

“Over the next several months, there will be tremendous pressure on Congress to prove that S&P’s analysis of the inability of the political parties to bridge our differences is wrong,” Cantor wrote in a memo Monday to House Republicans. “In short, there will be pressure to compromise on tax increases. We will be told that there is no other way forward. I respectfully disagree.”

In a statement issued shortly after Cantor’s memo, Boehner reiterated the GOP’s opposition to tax increases.

“Providing economic certainty and creating an environment in which businesses can invest and jobs can flourish must remain our number-one focus. That’s why raising taxes is simply the wrong approach,” Boehner said.

[Link: thehill.com...]

33 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:27:25pm

re: #7 ProLifeLiberal

OT, but it looks like the EDL may be using the riots as cover.

No surprise. Riots bring all the violent types out. Much of the EDL wants to go in for some street brawling, just like the ideological forebearers, the Nazis.

34 Bulworth  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:28:44pm

re: #32 blueraven

So here is the republican response. Cantor sends a memo to republicans:


In a statement issued shortly after Cantor’s memo, Boehner reiterated the GOP’s opposition to tax increases.


[Link: thehill.com...]

Austerity now, Austerity tomorrow, Austerity forevah!

35 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:29:40pm

re: #26 Varek Raith

Is she listening to her audience or what?

It's very tough to redo a speech on the fly, Varek. Unless you're a Sith, I'm guessing.

36 Kragar  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:29:43pm

Fischer: We Need "Men Of Christian Faith" In Military So God Can Give Them Winning Battle Plans

Because no Christian officer has ever lost a battle...

37 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:30:34pm

re: #34 Bulworth

That isn't fair. Opposition to tax increases should not be compared to support for segregation. Downding.

38 blueraven  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:32:11pm

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

That isn't fair. Opposition to tax increases should not be compared to support for segregation. Downding.

What??

39 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:32:31pm

re: #36 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fischer: We Need "Men Of Christian Faith" In Military So God Can Give Them Winning Battle Plans

Because no Christian officer has ever lost a battle...

There aren't enough FAIL pics in the world to illustrate just how dumb that sounds. Religious bigotry and fatalism at its worst.

40 ProMayaLiberal  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:33:01pm

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

Considering what us Liberals have dealt with for years, this is hardly offensive.

re: #32 blueraven

These will be good for future advertisements. Show what the King of Tang and that slimy shit think and what they want to do.

41 Charleston Chew  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:33:13pm

re: #36 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fischer: We Need "Men Of Christian Faith" In Military So God Can Give Them Winning Battle Plans

Because no Christian officer has ever lost a battle...

When a non-Christian loses a battle, it's because they're not Christian. When a Christian loses a battle, it's part of God's Plan.

42 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:33:23pm

re: #38 blueraven

What??

The way Bulworth wrote that was a deliberate echo of George Wallace.

43 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:33:30pm

re: #36 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fischer: We Need "Men Of Christian Faith" In Military So God Can Give Them Winning Battle Plans

Because no Christian officer has ever lost a battle...

Custer begs to differ.
/

44 Kragar  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:33:54pm

re: #39 Dark_Falcon

There aren't enough FAIL pics in the world to illustrate just how dumb that sounds. Religious bigotry and fatalism at its worst.

Obviously any Christian who did lose did so because he was either lacking in faith or was undermined by contamination of other faiths in the ranks.
/

45 Charleston Chew  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:34:43pm

re: #39 Dark_Falcon

There aren't enough FAIL pics in the world to illustrate just how dumb that sounds. Religious bigotry and fatalism at its worst.

Does that mean we've reached Peak Fail?

46 Lidane  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:35:17pm

re: #32 blueraven

So here is the republican response. Cantor sends a memo to republicans:

In a statement issued shortly after Cantor’s memo, Boehner reiterated the GOP’s opposition to tax increases.

[Link: thehill.com...]

It's hard out here for a corporate whore Republican.

47 albusteve  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:35:56pm

full contact politics....brutal

48 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:36:19pm

re: #40 ProLifeLiberal

Considering what us Liberals have dealt with for years, this is hardly offensive.

It's still offensive in an absolute sense, and I make sure not to treat people like you were treated.

Sorry you got treated that way, though. I thought I had a bad time in high school but it seems you had it worse.

49 Kragar  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:36:31pm

re: #43 Varek Raith

Custer begs to differ.
/

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

50 sod  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:36:40pm

re: #1 SpaceJesus

look at all these old pieces of shit

There goes "old" being used as a pejorative again. Seems to be a trend here.

51 mr.fusion  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:36:43pm

re: #16 Ming

I think that a significant part of the markets' decline is the realization that yes, many Republicans really would be very happy to keep the economy in low gear, because their top priority is to deny Obama re-election next year. Once you realize that, you appreciate how unlikely a strong economy recovery is in the foreseeable future.

I disagree.

I think if the markets were reacting to Tea Party intransigence you would see them being more vocal....you'd see them voicing support for Democrats, their policies, and their candidates. You'd see more finger wagging.

It's really interesting to watch. I think you'd be hard pressed to find anybody on Wall Street that things Republicans are actually good for the economy......but they realize that Republicans are good for their own personal wealth and so they continue support the party that supports their "cash grab" mentality.

52 Lidane  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:36:45pm

re: #45 Charleston Chew

Does that mean we've reached Peak Fail?

Just wait. If Obama wins a second term, the current Republican fail will look like amateur hour in comparison.

53 Bulworth  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:36:46pm

re: #42 Dark_Falcon
Both are equally obstinate, no compromise, etc.

54 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:37:11pm

re: #49 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

I find my lack of coffee even more disturbing.

55 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:37:29pm

re: #50 sod

There goes "old" being used as a pejorative again. Seems to be a trend here.

Only among the young.

56 Lidane  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:37:32pm

re: #49 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I find your lack of faith penguins disturbing.

FTFY ;)

57 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:37:44pm

re: #45 Charleston Chew

Does that mean we've reached Peak Fail?

Yes. I hear there's a 95% percent chance Bryan Fischer will collapse into a wingularity before the end of the year.

58 Kragar  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:37:54pm

re: #55 wrenchwench

Only among the young.

Can we call them special?

59 Charleston Chew  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:38:16pm

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

That isn't fair. Opposition to tax increases should not be compared to support for segregation. Downding.

I think it fairly characterizes their no-compromise position. The fact that this isn't the first time conservatives have taken a no-compromise position doesn't make it invalid. Not Bulworth's fault that they tend to favor no-compromise positions.

60 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:38:37pm

re: #58 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Can we call them special?

At your own risk!

61 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:38:49pm

re: #43 Varek Raith

Custer begs to differ.
/

[wingnut]He drank, sang non-religious songs and didn't pray enough. Of course he lost![wingnut]

62 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:39:32pm

re: #50 sod

As is your trend of victimization?

63 jc717  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:39:38pm

re: #28 Varek Raith

Right.
That's why it was down 5.5% today. Nothing to do with the downgrade.
Yep.
Or something.

All I'm saying is that if it's because of the downgrade, then the markets are acting irrationally... S&P downgraded US government bonds. US government bonds rallied today. It's not logical to say that the market was down due to the downgrade, when the downgraded securities actually rallied. The dollar was also stronger today, which you wouldn't expect after a downgrade.

Global markets are unnerved due to a variety of factors and investors are flocking towards quality. In this case US bonds (regardless of the S&P downgrade).

64 Lidane  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:40:01pm

re: #59 Charleston Chew

I think it fairly characterizes their no-compromise position. The fact that this isn't the first time conservatives have taken a no-compromise position doesn't make it invalid.

Pretty much.

65 Kragar  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:40:06pm

re: #56 Lidane

FTFY ;)

My name is Legion: for we are many.

66 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:40:07pm

re: #61 Dark_Falcon

He drank, sang non-religious songs and didn't pray enough. Of course he lost!

Preview feels slighted.

67 Charleston Chew  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:40:55pm

re: #52 Lidane

Just wait. If Obama wins a second term, the current Republican fail will look like amateur hour in comparison.

Well, then the best investment advice in this market climate is to put everything in Fail futures.

68 albusteve  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:40:58pm

I'm already burned out on the blame gig...when do we get to the solutions part of this soap opera?...to the dems have a plan?...will they put forth an infrastructure bill?....after that fails then what?

69 Kragar  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:41:14pm

re: #66 wrenchwench

Preview feels slighted.

Previewed my comment.

Bitches love previews.

70 ProMayaLiberal  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:41:25pm

re: #57 Dark_Falcon

How?!?

How does he get more stupid? I can't see it.

71 Lidane  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:42:05pm

re: #67 Charleston Chew

Well, then the best investment advice in this market climate is to put everything in Fail futures.

I've been saying that since Glenn Beck got a TV show. No one ever listens to me. =P

72 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:42:05pm

re: #68 albusteve

I'm already burned out on the blame gig...when do we get to the solutions part of this soap opera?...to the dems have a plan?...will they put forth an infrastructure bill?...after that fails then what?

Nothing.
The GOP will block anything Obama/Dems try to do.
The real question is when will the GOP stop this bullshit?

73 Lidane  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:42:43pm

re: #72 Varek Raith

Nothing.
The GOP will block anything Obama/Dems try to do.
The real question is when will the GOP stop this bullshit?

As soon as they get the black guy out of the White House, of course.

74 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:42:55pm

re: #67 Charleston Chew

Well, then the best investment advice in this market climate is to put everything in Fail futures.

Bottlecaps, man!

75 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:43:26pm

re: #69 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Preview feels slighted.

Previewed my comment.

Bitches love previews.

Not really related: Image: funny-car-photos-they-sure-do.jpg

76 Targetpractice  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:43:32pm

re: #32 blueraven

So here is the republican response. Cantor sends a memo to republicans:

In a statement issued shortly after Cantor’s memo, Boehner reiterated the GOP’s opposition to tax increases.

[Link: thehill.com...]

S&P declares Republican obstructionism big part of downgrade, GOP responds by declaring they'll continue to obstruct.

Remind me again, what's the definition of insanity?

77 garhighway  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:43:47pm

SJ's post 438 from the prior thread offers some interesting perspective on the tax situation. Granted, it's from Robert Reich, who, while he's disturbingly short, still makes some great points. The whole "we are overtaxed" meme is utter horseshit.

78 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:43:55pm

re: #70 ProLifeLiberal

How?!?

How does he get more stupid? I can't see it.

People can always get more stupid. Take my word for it.

79 Henchman 25  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:44:34pm

re: #76 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

80 Kragar  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:44:36pm

re: #76 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

S&P declares Republican obstructionism big part of downgrade, GOP responds by declaring they'll continue to obstruct.

Remind me again, what's the definition of insanity?

Voting Republican.

81 Lidane  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:44:49pm

re: #77 garhighway

The whole "we are overtaxed" meme is utter horseshit.

It's been utter horseshit since Reagan was in office. I don't know why people continue to believe it.

82 sod  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:44:59pm

re: #62 Varek Raith

As is your trend of victimization?

I assume then you'd let any of the following go by unchecked:

look at all these black pieces of shit
look at all these white pieces of shit
look at all these Asian pieces of shit
look at all these Christian pieces of shit
look at all these Islamic pieces of shit

83 albusteve  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:45:08pm

re: #72 Varek Raith

Nothing.
The GOP will block anything Obama/Dems try to do.
The real question is when will the GOP stop this bullshit?

maybe there is a post office or an overpass that needs a name....beyond that what's the point of paying these people?....send em home and shut down the Capital

84 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:45:15pm

re: #77 garhighway

SJ's post 438 from the prior thread offers some interesting perspective on the tax situation. Granted, it's from Robert Reich, who, while he's disturbingly short, still makes some great points. The whole "we are overtaxed" meme is utter horseshit.

Isn't he also "old"?

85 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:46:07pm

re: #82 sod

I assume then you'd let any of the following go by unchecked:

look at all these black pieces of shit
look at all these white pieces of shit
look at all these Asian pieces of shit
look at all these Christian pieces of shit
look at all these Islamic pieces of shit

But don't "old" and "sod" go together like "peanut butter" and "jelly"?

86 Targetpractice  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:46:47pm

re: #83 albusteve

maybe there is a post office or an overpass that needs a name...beyond that what's the point of paying these people?...send em home and shut down the Capital

Hell, we might actually be able to save a great deal of money by telling those frakers to take a very long vacation, as far away from Capital Hill as possible.

87 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:47:16pm

re: #68 albusteve

I'm already burned out on the blame gig...when do we get to the solutions part of this soap opera?...to the dems have a plan?...will they put forth an infrastructure bill?...after that fails then what?

It's like you're unwilling to read or incapable of comprehending, either what the S&P report said about Republican opposition to tax cuts being a primary reason for the downgrade, or Cantor and Boehner's doubling down on that position.

88 garhighway  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:48:09pm

re: #84 wrenchwench

Isn't he also "old"?

Being roughly his age, I am more forgiving of "old".

89 ProMayaLiberal  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:48:28pm

re: #78 Dark_Falcon

I honestly don't see how he can say anything stupider. To me, it seems he has already hit nearly every base.

90 albusteve  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:48:51pm

re: #87 goddamnedfrank

It's like you're unwilling to read or incapable of comprehending, either what the S&P report said about Republican opposition to tax cuts being a primary reason for the downgrade, or Cantor and Boehner's doubling down on that position.

why do you say that?

91 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:49:02pm

re: #89 ProLifeLiberal

I honestly don't see how he can say anything stupider. To me, it seems he has already hit nearly every base.

Let's just hope we don't find out, OK?

92 garhighway  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:50:15pm

re: #68 albusteve

I'm already burned out on the blame gig...when do we get to the solutions part of this soap opera?...to the dems have a plan?...will they put forth an infrastructure bill?...after that fails then what?

Your reaction is precisely what the GOP counts on. If you do not take the trouble to figure out who is right and who is wrong and instead go into a "pox on both your houses" mode, then you have effectively rewarded the intransigent party. They count on you and a lot of others reacting that way, and it works.

93 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:50:36pm

re: #89 ProLifeLiberal

I honestly don't see how he can say anything stupider. To me, it seems he has already hit nearly every base.

Sorry, I agree with DF. It's the Pamela Geller Law: yes, they can get even more stupid, even when it seems impossible.

94 Political Atheist  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:51:19pm

re: #1 re: #1 SpaceJesus

look at all these old pieces of shit

I hope your life goes well enough that you too become old. Trust me you will have some opinion that some younger guy just can't stand.

95 Lidane  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:51:37pm

re: #89 ProLifeLiberal

I honestly don't see how he can say anything stupider. To me, it seems he has already hit nearly every base.

We haven't seen stupid yet. I fully expect an even more massive GOP meltdown if Obama gets a second term. Heads will literally explode.

96 albusteve  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:52:26pm

re: #92 garhighway

Your reaction is precisely what the GOP counts on. If you do not take the trouble to figure out who is right and who is wrong and instead go into a "pox on both your houses" mode, then you have effectively rewarded the intransigent party. They count on you and a lot of others reacting that way, and it works.

LOL!....how long does the period of mourning last?...in other words the GOP is banking on me asking now what?...that's odd....so now what?

97 Lidane  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:52:39pm

re: #93 Sergey Romanov

Sorry, I agree with DF. It's the Pamela Geller Law: yes, they can get even more stupid, even when it seems impossible.

The sheer amount of exclamation points and spelling mistakes that Pam will have on election night if Obama wins again will be epic.

98 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:52:48pm

re: #50 sod

There goes "old" being used as a pejorative again. Seems to be a trend here.

Your point?

99 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:53:16pm

re: #76 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

S&P declares Republican obstructionism big part of downgrade, GOP responds by declaring they'll continue to obstruct.

Remind me again, what's the definition of insanity?

They're not insane, they're trying to sabotage the government, that's their whole point, naturally they'll continue to obstruct

You know, 'strangle it in the bathtub'

100 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:53:16pm

re: #88 garhighway

Being roughly his age, I am more forgiving of "old".

I'm roughly his height. Oh, wait. I'm 5" taller!

I tend to think of age as an asset. I'm riffing on sod taking offense at SpaceJesus. SJ was offensive, but sometimes I think he's fishing for downdings because he misses the "old" days. He's better ignored when he does that. I'm on your side, sod, except I think you're wasting your time.

101 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:54:09pm

re: #97 Lidane

The sheer amount of exclamation points and spelling mistakes that Pam will have on election night if Obama wins again will be epic.

Let's just hope he does. Because with the events of these days...

102 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:54:28pm

re: #90 albusteve

why do you say that?

Because you talk like it's the Democrat's responsibility and within their capacity to come up with a solution, to cure Republicans of their endemic, rank, intransigent dumbshittery.

103 ProMayaLiberal  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:54:37pm

re: #93 Sergey Romanov

Get popcorn to watch then.

Oh boy this promises to be special.

104 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:54:48pm

re: #101 Sergey Romanov

Let's just hope he does. Because with the events of these days...

PRESIDENT PAUL!

105 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:55:00pm

re: #82 sod

I assume then you'd let any of the following go by unchecked:

look at all these black pieces of shit
look at all these white pieces of shit
look at all these Asian pieces of shit
look at all these Christian pieces of shit
look at all these Islamic pieces of shit

How about - you're an idiot?

106 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:55:18pm

re: #104 WindUpBird

PRESIDENT PAUL!

Either Romney or Perry.

107 Targetpractice  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:55:34pm

re: #99 WindUpBird

They're not insane, they're trying to sabotage the government, that's their whole point, naturally they'll continue to obstruct

You know, 'strangle it in the bathtub'

But of course. Hell, McConnell didn't even wait for the smoke to clear before he made his "hostage" remark. Is it any wonder that S&P look at it all and conclude that this shit is only getting started?

108 Lidane  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:55:44pm

re: #101 Sergey Romanov

Let's just hope he does. Because with the events of these days...

I'm hoping he does. I want the GOP to continue going full retard, nominate a True Believer, and get curbstomped by Obama for it. Maybe then the adults in the party will find a way to get in charge once again.

109 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:56:09pm

re: #104 WindUpBird

PRESIDENT PAUL!

Must be time to buy. I suddenly feel like throwing up.

110 ProMayaLiberal  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:56:22pm

re: #101 Sergey Romanov

Let's hope nature doesn't decide to pop in for a visit with a Hurricane.

We've already had enough of Natural Disasters this year. Fortunately, Hurricane Season has been unusually quiet thus far.

111 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:56:54pm

re: #106 Sergey Romanov

Either Romney or Perry.

I could see Mitt winning, I cannot conceive of a likely scenario where Perry wins

112 albusteve  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:57:33pm

re: #102 goddamnedfrank

Because you talk like it's the Democrat's responsibility and within their capacity to come up with a solution, to cure Republicans of their endemic, rank, intransigent dumbshittery.

what a post seems to you, a natural attack dog, is not always what you think it means....I didn't mention responsibility, you have....do you have any ideas how the dems should move forward?....it's assumed we know the GOPs plan....hahaha! WOOF!

113 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:57:42pm

re: #100 wrenchwench

I'm roughly his height. Oh, wait. I'm 5" taller!

I tend to think of age as an asset. I'm riffing on sod taking offense at SpaceJesus. SJ was offensive, but sometimes I think he's fishing for downdings because he misses the "old" days. He's better ignored when he does that. I'm on your side, sod, except I think you're wasting your time.

Sod didn't just whine about SJ, he/she/it/them whined about the forum in general.

114 Henchman 25  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:57:45pm

re: #110 ProLifeLiberal

Let's hope nature doesn't decide to pop in for a visit with a Hurricane.

We've already had enough of Natural Disasters this year. Fortunately, Hurricane Season has been unusually quiet thus far.

Don't jinx it!!
//

115 Targetpractice  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:57:48pm

re: #104 WindUpBird

PRESIDENT PAUL!

You'll be receiving the bill for my new monitor in the mail.

/

116 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:58:22pm

re: #108 Lidane

I'm hoping he does. I want the GOP to continue going full retard, nominate a True Believer, and get curbstomped by Obama for it. Maybe then the adults in the party will find a way to get in charge once again.


I don't think anyone like Bachmann is _really_ within a shot in the primaries (if she does win the primaries though, I will eat my figurative hat and assume that she may as well defeat Obama, no matter how absurd that sounds now).

117 jaunte  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:58:24pm

re: #108 Lidane

I'm hoping he does. I want the GOP to continue going full retard, nominate a True Believer, and get curbstomped by Obama for it.


He's going to have to find out where LBJ buried his tactical manual.

118 Targetpractice  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:58:39pm

re: #111 WindUpBird

I could see Mitt winning, I cannot conceive of a likely scenario where Perry wins

Considering America was crazy enough to election Dubya...

119 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:58:48pm

re: #111 WindUpBird

I could see Mitt winning, I cannot conceive of a likely scenario where Perry wins

Why not Perry?

120 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:59:03pm

re: #116 Sergey Romanov

I don't think anyone like Bachmann is _really_ within a shot in the primaries (if she does win the primaries though, I will eat my figurative hat and assume that she may as well defeat Obama, no matter how absurd that sounds now).

maybe for VP, to get the Twoo Beweevers on board

121 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:59:04pm

Gonzo dudes.

122 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:59:15pm

re: #113 b_sharp

Sod didn't just whine about SJ, he/she/it/them whined about the forum in general.

Well, there was somebody else complaining about old people the other day.

Two makes a trend, right?

/

123 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 2:59:59pm

re: #118 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Considering America was crazy enough to election Dubya...

George W. isn't a crazy person, people voted for him for sound reasons. Let's save the "they were crazy to vote for this guy" for when crazies actually run.

124 albusteve  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:00:24pm

re: #116 Sergey Romanov

I don't think anyone like Bachmann is _really_ within a shot in the primaries (if she does win the primaries though, I will eat my figurative hat and assume that she may as well defeat Obama, no matter how absurd that sounds now).

it's certainly a consideration for the dems....don't underestimate your opponent and all that...if MB is serious then I take her serious...she's an obsessed lunatic

125 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:00:40pm

re: #120 WindUpBird

maybe for VP, to get the Twoo Beweevers on board

Dunno, if they're smart (not as in intelligent smart, but as in savvy smart) they know that Palin was one of McCain's defeaters (another being economy). Would they repeat the mistake?

126 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:00:48pm

re: #119 Sergey Romanov

Why not Perry?

Because independents will not vote for a secessionist extreme hyperChristian Texas Governor who looks like a crooked politician from central casting

127 sod  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:01:18pm

re: #100 wrenchwench

It's much ere: #98 b_sharp

This place tends to be one of the more respectful places to hang out in and I enjoy reading and learning from the comments. I'm just surprised that "old" comments seem to be largely accepted as being ok.

128 Charleston Chew  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:01:49pm

re: #108 Lidane

I'm hoping he does. I want the GOP to continue going full retard, nominate a True Believer, and get curbstomped by Obama for it. Maybe then the adults in the party will find a way to get in charge once again.

Future bumper sticker:

"You may not agree with us, but at least we're sane." - Obama/Biden 2012

129 albusteve  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:01:55pm

re: #118 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Considering America was crazy enough to election Dubya...

twice!...and then we go off and elect BO!
what are we coming to?

130 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:02:25pm

re: #118 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Considering America was crazy enough to election Dubya...

That's one of the reasons they won't elect Perry! because they elected Bush! :D

"Well, the last texas governor we elected sucked pretty hard, how about another one?"

131 sod  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:02:41pm

re: #113 b_sharp

Post #1 has 0 downdings.

132 Targetpractice  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:03:12pm

re: #123 Dark_Falcon

George W. isn't a crazy person, people voted for him for sound reasons. Let's save the "they were crazy to vote for this guy" for when crazies actually run.

Perry's only a couple steps above from the guy who honestly said that he believed God chose him to lead this nation.

133 jaunte  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:03:13pm

re: #131 sod

I'm too old to reach up that far.

134 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:03:51pm

re: #126 WindUpBird

Because independents will not vote for a secessionist extreme hyperChristian Texas Governor who looks like a crooked politician from central casting

Oh, clean up aka moderate his image just a bit, dismiss the old stuff as rhetoric, and you have a clean-cut, moderate-looking and "serious"-looking white male candidate with gravitas, no?

135 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:04:18pm

I'm still not seeing much hope. Republicans will take a hit in the polls after this and I don't think it's even going to phase them. There's no hope of negotiations and they're going to try to burn down the house every chance they get. There's nothing Obama can do.

136 Lidane  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:04:27pm

re: #123 Dark_Falcon

George W. isn't a crazy person, people voted for him for sound reasons. Let's save the "they were crazy to vote for this guy" for when crazies actually run.

They voted for him the first time because people had Clinton fatigue and Gore was a terrible candidate. They voted for him the second time because we were at war and Kerry was a terrible candidate.

137 albusteve  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:04:28pm

re: #133 jaunte

I'm too old to reach up that far.

I'm too laid back to care....it's tribal dood

138 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:04:32pm

re: #128 Charleston Chew

Future bumper sticker:

"You may not agree with us, but at least we're sane." - Obama/Biden 2012

"... it's important". /

139 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:05:03pm

re: #129 albusteve

twice!...and then we go off and elect BO!
what are we coming to?

Was Palin better?

140 laZardo  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:05:58pm

re: #135 Killgore Trout

I'm still not seeing much hope. Republicans will take a hit in the polls after this and I don't think it's even going to phase them. There's no hope of negotiations and they're going to try to burn down the house every chance they get. There's nothing Obama can do.

And the worst bit about it is the people will vote for the arsonists.

141 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:06:01pm

re: #135 Killgore Trout

I'm still not seeing much hope. Republicans will take a hit in the polls after this and I don't think it's even going to phase them. There's no hope of negotiations and they're going to try to burn down the house every chance they get. There's nothing Obama can do.

It's too soon to tell, Killgore. The three-day polls being cited don't yet reflect the downgrade and the ambush in Afghanistan.

But I have to go. BBL

142 jaunte  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:06:17pm

re: #134 Sergey Romanov

Oh, clean up aka moderate his image just a bit, dismiss the old stuff as rhetoric, and you have a clean-cut, moderate-looking and "serious"-looking white male candidate with gravitas, no?

That's the next role he's going to try to slip into.

143 Lidane  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:06:18pm

OK. Me and Red Bull just do NOT get along.

I had a cup of coffee this morning and a Diet Coke at lunch. I was fine. Half a can of Red Bull and I feel dizzy and out of sorts. Think I'll be avoiding this stuff from now on.

144 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:06:29pm

re: #135 Killgore Trout

I'm still not seeing much hope. Republicans will take a hit in the polls after this and I don't think it's even going to phase them. There's no hope of negotiations and they're going to try to burn down the house every chance they get. There's nothing Obama can do.

Republicans will take a hit? Are you sure? Is the so-called liberal media informing people that it's the Republican fault? Because RWNM is in full steam screaming how this is all America-hating Obama's fault.

145 Kragar  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:07:22pm

Herman Cain, where did your love go?

Herman Cain Takes Weeklong Beating From Conservatives After Apologizing To Muslims

146 albusteve  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:07:29pm

re: #135 Killgore Trout

I'm still not seeing much hope. Republicans will take a hit in the polls after this and I don't think it's even going to phase them. There's no hope of negotiations and they're going to try to burn down the house every chance they get. There's nothing Obama can do.

the dems need to find a weakness...and I think spending on infrastructure might be the ticket....everybody can relate to a highway bridge falling on their head....somehow they need a victory, regardless of how small and fight like tigers to get it

147 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:07:35pm

re: #114 SteelPH

Don't jinx it!!
//

Labor Day, i.e. the weekend of hurricanes is still ahead.

148 Targetpractice  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:07:55pm

re: #135 Killgore Trout

I'm still not seeing much hope. Republicans will take a hit in the polls after this and I don't think it's even going to phase them. There's no hope of negotiations and they're going to try to burn down the house every chance they get. There's nothing Obama can do.

At this point, no, there's really not. He gave up any chance he had of regaining the initiative when he put accept a deal, no matter how odious it was, over defaulting. The hostage takers won, and now know they can simply take another hostage when the times comes to get what they want again.

149 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:08:23pm

re: #144 Sergey Romanov

Republicans will take a hit? Are you sure? Is the so-called liberal media informing people that it's the Republican fault? Because RWNM is in full steam screaming how this is all America-hating Obama's fault.

I'm pretty sure. they were falling in the polls recently because of the debt negotiation antics, majorities said they'd blame the gop for a default so I assume that will also apply to the downgrade.

150 Charleston Chew  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:08:26pm

re: #143 Lidane

OK. Me and Red Bull just do NOT get along.

I had a cup of coffee this morning and a Diet Coke at lunch. I was fine. Half a can of Red Bull and I feel dizzy and out of sorts. Think I'll be avoiding this stuff from now on.

Can't stand Red Bull. Tastes like a cross between bubble gum and barbecue sauce.

151 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:09:40pm

And this stuff about Mormonism... I dunno. I think situation is such that they will vote for Romney despite this, especially if he picks a true-blu Christian VP.

152 Targetpractice  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:09:45pm

re: #146 albusteve

the dems need to find a weakness...and I think spending on infrastructure might be the ticket...everybody can relate to a highway bridge falling on their head...somehow they need a victory, regardless of how small and fight like tigers to get it

Infrastructure repair/expansion is...what? Spending, and that's something that the GOP will hit him on again and again. "One minute, he's agreeing we need to cut spending, the next he's adding on more spending. What about our debt do you not understand, Mr. President?"

153 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:10:49pm

re: #131 sod

Post #1 has 0 downdings.

It's Chinatown SpaceJesus, Jake.

154 Charleston Chew  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:11:22pm

re: #146 albusteve

the dems need to find a weakness...and I think spending on infrastructure might be the ticket...everybody can relate to a highway bridge falling on their head...somehow they need a victory, regardless of how small and fight like tigers to get it

They seem historically incapable of framing issues in their favor. I think a majority of people actually are in favor of many Democrat positions, but Republicans can always find a way to frame things so they sound like the end of the world.

155 sod  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:11:28pm

re: #105 b_sharp

Clever.

156 albusteve  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:11:36pm

re: #139 Sergey Romanov

Was Palin better?

no...but I think it's a reflection of American political interests...which lie along the AmIdol path....the best and brightest run from seeking office like it's the plague and a bunch of golden tongued rookies, theocrats and downright incompetents fill the void

157 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:12:03pm

re: #143 Lidane

OK. Me and Red Bull just do NOT get along.

I had a cup of coffee this morning and a Diet Coke at lunch. I was fine. Half a can of Red Bull and I feel dizzy and out of sorts. Think I'll be avoiding this stuff from now on.

Don't ever try 5 hour Energy. I thought I was going to die.

158 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:12:16pm

re: #131 sod

Post #1 has 0 downdings.

Basically, SJ often says stuff others would be dinged for. It's kinda... a custom, if you will.

159 Targetpractice  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:12:35pm

re: #149 Killgore Trout

I'm pretty sure. they were falling in the polls recently because of the debt negotiation antics, majorities said they'd blame the gop for a default so I assume that will also apply to the downgrade.

Default and downgrade are two different animals. The first means that bills aren't getting paid, which means folks are going to feel the pinch when their government checks stop showing up, their government services are shuttered, and there's no government to turn to for emergencies.

Downgrade means none of that immediately, so as far as they're concerned, they dodged the bullet. They won't realize that they did so by jumping in front of a semi for a little while.

160 Lidane  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:13:06pm

re: #157 Stanley Sea

Don't ever try 5 hour Energy. I thought I was going to die.

Actually, I handle those just fine, or at least I did in the past.

Red Bull, OTOH, is going on my list of drinks to avoid.

161 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:13:15pm

re: #156 albusteve

no...but I think it's a reflection of American political interests...which lie along the AmIdol path...the best and brightest run from seeking office like it's the plague and a bunch of golden tongued rookies, theocrats and downright incompetents fill the void

While I disagree about Obama, I get ya.

162 Charleston Chew  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:13:16pm

re: #152 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Infrastructure repair/expansion is...what? Spending, and that's something that the GOP will hit him on again and again. "One minute, he's agreeing we need to cut spending, the next he's adding on more spending. What about our debt do you not understand, Mr. President?"

Yeah, if they can negative spin the President telling school kids to work hard and get good grades, they can spin anything.

163 albusteve  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:13:20pm

re: #152 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Infrastructure repair/expansion is...what? Spending, and that's something that the GOP will hit him on again and again. "One minute, he's agreeing we need to cut spending, the next he's adding on more spending. What about our debt do you not understand, Mr. President?"

just an idea...

164 Political Atheist  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:14:45pm

re: #143 Lidane

OK. Me and Red Bull just do NOT get along.

I had a cup of coffee this morning and a Diet Coke at lunch. I was fine. Half a can of Red Bull and I feel dizzy and out of sorts. Think I'll be avoiding this stuff from now on.

Good thinking. Since you can drink coffee-You might be sensitive to guarana. I can drink Red Bull without bad effects. But twice I had an energy "shot" drink. Literally gave me heart rushes for about two days after one dose. First time I though it was stress. Nope. The second time I connected the dots. Never again.

165 Targetpractice  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:15:39pm

re: #163 albusteve

just an idea...

And an admirable idea under different circumstances. But the moment that Obama jumped on the "We need to make cuts" bandwagon, that was all she wrote. Any new spending is now going to be picked up and cracked over his head as being "More debt." And it's only going to get worse in coming weeks, as budget talks get taken back up and the GOP tries to ram through some new variation of the Ryan Plan to "grow the economy."

166 sod  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:17:56pm

re: #158 Sergey Romanov

Ah, well that's what I've been going for lately but I actually get the downdings. Must be my delivery.

I wasn't offended by it anyway, but I still think I made a valid point.

167 albusteve  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:19:24pm

re: #165 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

And an admirable idea under different circumstances. But the moment that Obama jumped on the "We need to make cuts" bandwagon, that was all she wrote. Any new spending is now going to be picked up and cracked over his head as being "More debt." And it's only going to get worse in coming weeks, as budget talks get taken back up and the GOP tries to ram through some new variation of the Ryan Plan to "grow the economy."

maintaining what you own is dead, got it...why even try eh?

168 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:19:34pm

re: #164 Rightwingconspirator

Good thinking. Since you can drink coffee-You might be sensitive to guarana. I can drink Red Bull without bad effects. But twice I had an energy "shot" drink. Literally gave me heart rushes for about two days after one dose. First time I though it was stress. Nope. The second time I connected the dots. Never again.

Yep, the morning after at work I seriously thought they were going to find me behind my desk.

169 Mickey Blumental  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:21:41pm

It's like those lunatics live on another planet. As if the purpose of the political "game" is to make to opposition lose regardless of how much you mess up your own country. The downgrade is a blow to Obama so it MUST BE a good thing, right?!

Lunatics.

170 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:22:24pm

If you think you're having a bad day, google "pink pistol, penis" and find a guy who is really having a bad day....

171 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:23:17pm

re: #170 wrenchwench

If you think you're having a bad day, google "pink pistol, penis" and find a guy who is really having a bad day...

Why, oh why. What did his peepee ever do to him?! //

172 laZardo  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:24:08pm

re: #169 Udon

It's like those lunatics live on another planet. As if the purpose of the political "game" is to make to opposition lose regardless of how much you mess up your own country. The downgrade is a blow to Obama so it MUST BE a good thing, right?!

Lunatics.

It's a game they're winning, unfortunately.

173 Targetpractice  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:24:22pm

re: #167 albusteve

maintaining what you own is dead, got it...why even try eh?

IIRC, the estimate for the cost of just repairing/renovating all the current infrastructure listed as being in dire need of both is somewhere around $1 trillion. Spending that would create a lot of jobs, put a lot of money back into the economy, and ensure that our country doesn't fall apart anytime soon.

It'd also be mana from heaven for a GOP looking to portray the sitting president as supporting "runaway spending" at a time when austerity is what's supposedly called for.

174 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 3:34:27pm

Glad I got my federal loan application in early.

175 Hal_10000  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 4:15:22pm

I'd be happy to blame the TP for this, but I don't think it's the case. We've found out, from revised GDP numbers, that the economy has essentially not grown for the last year. But the market was rising 40%. That's a recipe for a critical correction. US treasuries are being *bought* today, not sold, despite the S&P rating, mainly because Europe's debt problems are even worse than ours.

In short, I think the market just woke up from a delusion. Better now than later.

176 makeitstop  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 4:41:21pm

re: #122 wrenchwench

Well, there was somebody else complaining about old people the other day.

Two makes a trend, right?

/

Hell, I complain about old people, and I AM one!

Don't make me a bad person or anything.

177 makeitstop  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 4:48:18pm

re: #143 Lidane

OK. Me and Red Bull just do NOT get along.

I had a cup of coffee this morning and a Diet Coke at lunch. I was fine. Half a can of Red Bull and I feel dizzy and out of sorts. Think I'll be avoiding this stuff from now on.

I hate that stuff. I can't even stand the smell of it.

Gimme coffee any day over meth in syrup form, thanks.

178 Lidane  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 4:53:58pm

re: #177 makeitstop

I hate that stuff. I can't even stand the smell of it.

Gimme coffee any day over meth in syrup form, thanks.

Yeah, I'm definitely sticking to coffee or yerba mate tea from now on.

I felt like I was drunk when I was driving home from work, and I haven't had a drink at all in months. That's just crazy to me. Never again.

179 Spocomptonite  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 4:57:41pm

My IRA lost 8% of it's value today, which is the lowest its been in a year or two.

Thanks, Tea Party. You demonstrably ruined all economic progress since the worst of the Great Recession.

180 makeitstop  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 4:59:08pm

re: #148 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

At this point, no, there's really not. He gave up any chance he had of regaining the initiative when he put accept a deal, no matter how odious it was, over defaulting. The hostage takers won, and now know they can simply take another hostage when the times comes to get what they want again.

Well, on the debt ceiling, maybe - that was where the threat of default came in.

But let's say Obama proposes a modern-day PWA Bill and the TGOP takes the hostage. What are they gonna threaten Obama with? Shutting down the government? Holding their breath until they turn blue? Soiling themselves?

The debt ceiling does not come back up until 2013, so if the TGOP uses the hostage gambit again before then they're gonna wear it out.

My $.02

181 Robert O.  Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:53:54pm

Remember that Republicans cheered when the US failed to win the bid for the Olympics and the Soccer World Cup, because in their seriously twisted little brains, they support whatever makes Obama looks bad, even if the result is bad for the whole country. Since when did the interests of the UNITED STATES matter to these people? Their "patriotism" (a complete misnomer) ends at the lapel pin. They hate the President more than they love their own country.


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The Pandemic Cost 7 Million Lives, but Talks to Prevent a Repeat Stall In late 2021, as the world reeled from the arrival of the highly contagious omicron variant of the coronavirus, representatives of almost 200 countries met - some online, some in-person in Geneva - hoping to forestall a future worldwide ...
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