Pamela Geller's New Book's Top 10 Tags

Pamela Geller’s New Book’s Top 10 Tags

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WingnutsAugust 2011 • Views: 39,562

Since a bunch of crazy right wing bloggers have been trying to attack me by saying I “organized a campaign to silence Pamela Geller” when I pointed out the Amazon page for her new hateful screed, “Stop the Islamization of America: A Practical Guide to the Resistance,” and noted that Amazon customers can add their own “tags” to the page, I thought I’d check back and see how my evil plan was doing.

Lo and behold, the top ten tags for hate group leader Pamela Geller’s new work of bigotry:

hate speech (334)
islamophobia (274)
bigotry (270)
inspiration for the norway killer (256)
hateful divisive political rhetoric (250)
religious hatred (223)
racist (203)
anders breivik fan (164)
hate (159)
bigot (155)

I’m not trying to “silence” Geller; the opposite, in fact. I want her to spew her hatred as much and as loudly as possible, so that as many people as possible will see what a deranged bigot she is.

And I didn’t “organize” anything, beyond pointing out the Amazon page. But if the wingnut blogs want to make me their villain, I’ll gladly accept the blame and wear it as a badge of honor.

Mwa hahahaha.

Perfect Timing: Pamela Geller’s New WND Book Echoes Oslo Terrorist’s Book

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178 comments

Kragar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:18:01pm

Disagreement = Censorship
/

Summer Lovin' Torture Party Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:18:08pm

Drunken Pam's blood alcohol content has just hit .35:

DOW CRASHES 600 POINTS, OBAMA MENTAL ILLNESS WORSENS: "THE U.S. WILL ALWAYS BE A TRIPLE-A COUNTRY DESPITE WHAT RATING AGENCIES SAY"

It sounds like Obama has had a complete psychological break from reality. His hatred of America consumes him.

Dow Closes Down More Than 600 Points ABCNews.com:

The Dow Jones Industrial Average fell over 600 points Monday after a one-two punch: the first-ever Standard & Poor's downgrade of U.S. debt, then the downgrading of govenment-backed mortgage debt. The Dow's one-day drop of more than 600 points was its biggest point loss in a single day since December, 1 2008.

In Prelimnary closing figures the Dow Jones Industrial Average sank 632 points at 10813, ending at the day's low, according to the Wall Street Journal.

The Standard & Poor's 500 stock index tumbled 78 points, or 6.5%, to 1123, with financial and energy stocks falling hardest.

President Obama spoke this afternoon, saying the United States knew well before the S&P downgrade that it had a debt problem. "The U.S. will always be a triple-A country despite what rating agencies say," he said.

Did he really say that?? And did ABC report it with a straight face?

Idle Drifter Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:19:38pm

Ignorance is Wisdom.

Lidane Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:20:11pm

inspiration for the norway killer (256)

I will openly say that I added this tag to Pam's book. Nice to see others agree with it. Heh.

Daniel Ballard Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:20:42pm

Heh.

Pissing off the webs worst personalities.

Yer doin it rite.

jaunte Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:21:38pm

Heh heh.

Alexzander Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:22:18pm

When you buy Pamela's book on Amazon it should recommend Breivik's manifesto 2083.

Your guides to the resistance!

Alexzander Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:23:03pm

I sincerely hope she wasn't able to edit the book post-Breivik event, as it will undoubtedly be extremely revealing.

Velvet Elvis Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:25:19pm

What's going on with the UK rioting? It's taken me totally by surprise.

Alexzander Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:27:13pm

re: #9 Conservative Moonbat

What's going on with the UK rioting? It's taken me totally by surprise.

Oh man I dont know if I can rehash it again.

Lets just say its a combination of some legitimate social/historical grievances, some over-reaction, and some nihilistic/consumeristic opportunism.
It is also to some extent the future.

Idle Drifter Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:27:35pm

I'm currently watching a young lady sing with a full symphonic orchestra on Detroit Public. She looks 13 but sings with a voice of an older woman. It's moments like this that give me hope for humanity. This and talking my little brother back home from Afghanistan.

Fuck Pamela Geller.

Velvet Elvis Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:29:25pm

Riot map of London:

[Link: maps.google.co.uk...]

ProGunLiberal Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:30:59pm

re: #12 Conservative Moonbat

I guess the question now is whether the riots will stay in England, or spread throughout the UK.

The riots are now in Birmingham and Liverpool.

Kragar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:33:08pm

re: #13 ProLifeLiberal

I guess the question now is whether the riots will stay in England, or spread throughout the UK.

The riots are now in Birmingham and Liverpool.

Obviously, they are rampaging Morrisey fans

Youtube Video

austin_blue Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:33:28pm

re: #9 Conservative Moonbat

What's going on with the UK rioting? It's taken me totally by surprise.

The Met shot a black, Christian father of three who supposedly shot a gun at them. Except, maybe not. The family wanted answers, the Met didn't meet with them, someone got pissed, and now London looks like this.

So in response to you request, I give you the map of Londinium in hell:

[Link: maps.google.co.uk...]

Not all of these areas are minority areas at all. There are a lot of white yabos travelling by tube and smash-and-grabbing all over town. I mean, Chelsea? Oxford Street?

jaunte Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:34:30pm

Maybe we can encourage the same crazy right-wing bloggers to chip in on a second printing of Geller's tome before the first is out, just to make sure no silencing takes place.

ProGunLiberal Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:35:28pm

re: #15 austin_blue

And that map showed incidents in Birmingham and Liverpool.

This is going to be the UK version of 2005 in France.

Querent Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:35:50pm

re: #11 Idle Drifter

Fuck Pamela Geller.

On second thought, we've seen her.

If you really want to, be sure you're properly prepared first.

I recommend straight ethanol.

sod Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:37:09pm

re: #15 austin_blue

The Met shot a black, Christian father of three who supposedly shot a gun at them.

When did the cops in England start carrying guns???!! I don't understand why they would need them what with their strict gun control laws and all.

ProGunLiberal Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:37:27pm

re: #15 austin_blue

Additional Thought: How long till State Department offers Travel Warning?

Velvet Elvis Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:38:02pm

re: #18 Querent

On second thought, we've seen her.

If you really want to, be sure you're properly prepared first.

I recommend straight ethanol.

I'll have what she's having. It seems to do the job.

Idle Drifter Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:41:30pm

re: #18 Querent

On second thought, we've seen her.

If you really want to, be sure you're properly prepared first.

I recommend straight ethanol.

Well I have been exposed to Methonal and Acetone over the past months and if I consumed enough whiskey....OMG WHAT AM I THINKING!

BishopX Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:44:49pm

re: #19 sod

When did the cops in England start carrying guns???!! I don't understand why they would need them what with their strict gun control laws and all.

The nice christian father of three (or four?) was apparently involved in the black market guns/drug trade.

The met called in an armed response unit (read: cops with sub machine guns) to arrest him on a warrant. Unlike in the US where they just kick down your door at three A.M., shoot your dog and then trash your house because you might be dangerous, the Met waited until he was alone and in a cab before they arrested him. Which still went badly, but it's the right Idea.

Romantic Heretic Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:44:51pm

I checked out all the tags and I noticed the first tag on the second page was 'victim of lgf lies'.

Well done, Charles.

Idle Drifter Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:45:15pm

re: #19 sod

When did the cops in England start carrying guns???!! I don't understand why they would need them what with their strict gun control laws and all.

Actually there are special units within the UK Police Forces that carry firearms. The criminal elements have always had some kind of access to black market arms trade.

Lidane Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:47:06pm

re: #24 Romantic Heretic

I checked out all the tags and I noticed the first tag on the second page was 'victim of lgf lies'.

Well done, Charles.

Ha! That's classic. What are the odds that Pam added it herself?

JEA62 Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:47:34pm

Evil needs darkness to thrive; the spotlight will kill it.

albusteve Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:47:38pm

what's left to say about Geller?...step up

Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:48:04pm

Map of the London riots

William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:49:07pm

re: #19 sod

When did the cops in England start carrying guns???!! I don't understand why they would need them what with their strict gun control laws and all.

Gun control laws have never stopped criminals from having access to weapons. At the most (NFA of 1934) they can control who has access to come kinds of weapons. But weapons are everywhere.

albusteve Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:50:36pm

re: #30 wlewisiii

Gun control laws have never stopped criminals from having access to weapons. At the most (NFA of 1934) they can control who has access to come kinds of weapons. But weapons are everywhere.

I just washed and waxed my Abrams today...I'm thinking new paint

PhillyPretzel Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:51:58pm

re: #30 wlewisiii
Weapons are everywhere. Yes I agree. Anyone interested in a cast iron skillet? Or a Louisville slugger?

Digital Display Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:52:26pm

We are #1! Oklahoma breaks the all time high temp record for July..
We have been hotter than any state for july for almost all time in History
Well except in 1880.. That record is held by...Oklahoma
What a painful record...It was only 110 today...

Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:53:41pm

re: #33 HoosierHoops

We are #1! Oklahoma breaks the all time high temp record for July..
We have been hotter than any state for july for almost all time in History
Well except in 1880.. That record is held by...Oklahoma
What a painful record...It was only 110 today...

Amazing. And rough.

PhillyPretzel Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:53:52pm

re: #33 HoosierHoops
::: Passing the ice blanket to Hoosier ::: Here you need it more than I do.

Idle Drifter Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:54:23pm

re: #33 HoosierHoops

Yikes, do you guys still have grass or plants?

Romantic Heretic Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:54:25pm

re: #32 PhillyPretzel

Weapons are everywhere. Yes I agree. Anyone interested in a cast iron skillet? Or a Louisville slugger?

You can have a lot of fun with a rolled up magazine. Playboy has a nice heft and weight. National Geographic will do in a pinch.

PhillyPretzel Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:55:12pm

re: #37 Romantic Heretic
And you can do some damage with a newspaper too.

Idle Drifter Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:55:52pm

re: #37 Romantic Heretic

You can have a lot of fun with a rolled up magazine. Playboy has a nice heft and weight. National Geographic will do in a pinch.

At least in Vancouver they had hockey sticks.

Digital Display Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:56:05pm

re: #36 Idle Drifter

Yikes, do you guys still have grass or plants?

It's bad here and Texas...Everything is dying..
I forgot the link to my last post...We are #1! jeez
[Link: newsok.com...]

albusteve Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:56:07pm

re: #38 PhillyPretzel

And you can do some damage with a newspaper too.

stuff a huge wad down somebody's throat....lights out...
good eye

Eclectic Infidel Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:56:39pm

re: #12 Conservative Moonbat

Riot map of London:

[Link: maps.google.co.uk...]

I am concerned for England. Very spooky.

Bipartite Gnomenclature Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:56:41pm

re: #31 albusteve

I just washed and waxed my Abrams today...I'm thinking new paint

I just washed and waxed my pits.

Now they're itchy.

albusteve Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:57:06pm

re: #40 HoosierHoops

It's bad here and Texas...Everything is dying..
I forgot the link to my last post...We are #1! jeez
[Link: newsok.com...]

read a story today about the wildlife die off across Texas....very disturbing

albusteve Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:58:43pm

re: #43 b_sharp

I just washed and waxed my pits.

Now they're itchy.

your pits are a weapon?....interesting
full auto pits
12g pits
pit grenades

nickzi Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:58:43pm

What, no "gibbering lunatic" tag? No wonder Pammie is enraged!

albusteve Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:59:17pm

re: #46 nickzi

What, no "gibbering lunatic" tag? No wonder Pammie is enraged!

the gibbering lunatics are here posting

sod Mon, Aug 8, 2011 5:59:48pm

re: #23 BishopX

re: #25 Idle Drifter

So the regular bobbies still just carry batons?

makeitstop Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:01:05pm

re: #18 Querent

On second thought, we've seen her.

If you really want to, be sure you're properly prepared first.

I recommend straight ethanol.

With a heroin chaser. And a little crack, just to take the edge off.

albusteve Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:01:14pm

re: #48 sod

re: #25 Idle Drifter

So the regular bobbies still just carry batons?

yes, but just last year London took a gold in the Universal Majorette Review

sod Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:01:29pm

re: #37 Romantic Heretic

And both of them show nip.

Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:01:31pm

It's also pretty interesting that most of the wingnut media have thrown Spencer and Geller to the wolves. The best Spencer could manage was an interview on the 700 Club. They wrote up a "new" defense (rehashing their same old crap) and only American Spectator would publish it. No more Fox News for them.

ProGunLiberal Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:02:07pm

Manchester has been hit now.

That makes 4 cities.

Idle Drifter Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:03:11pm

re: #48 sod

re: #25 Idle Drifter

So the regular bobbies still just carry batons?

Couldn't give you an honest answer on that though I've never met a police officer without some kind of defensive weapon. In Japan and other Asian nations, the police have those "zebra" sticks and they don't tickle.

albusteve Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:03:39pm

re: #53 ProLifeLiberal

Manchester has been hit now.

That makes 4 cities.

they'll stop with the first snows...rioting is a fair weather sport

laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:04:55pm

Why hasn't anyone posted this yet?

Youtube Video

Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:06:04pm

re: #53 ProLifeLiberal

Manchester has been hit now.

That makes 4 cities.

Yeah, not looking good....
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

Velvet Elvis Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:06:19pm

heh:

"The Youth of the Middle East rise up for basic freedoms.The Youth of London rise up for a HD ready 42" Plasma TV #londonriots"

Idle Drifter Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:06:21pm

re: #53 ProLifeLiberal

Manchester has been hit now.

That makes 4 cities.

Last I checked the news every hooligan, ultra nationalist, anarchist, thug, etc have taken to the streets looting and burning. There's no rhyme or reason to it, it's just a free for all.

BishopX Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:06:48pm

re: #48 sod

re: #25 Idle Drifter

So the regular bobbies still just carry batons?

Batons and CS spray. They're introducing Tasers for specially trained officers outside of the firearms units.

makeitstop Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:06:52pm

re: #56 laZardo

Why hasn't anyone posted this yet?

[Video]

Nice choice.

I understand that 'London's Burning' by the Clash has been posted over 47,000 times on Facebook.

Here's my choice:

Youtube Video

sod Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:08:19pm

re: #30 wlewisiii

I was being a little sarcastic with my gun control law remark. I lived in England for 4 years and my Mom is English so I'm somewhat familiar with the country, however, I lived in the sticks, not in a metro area so I'm sure the difference is night and day. I did have my car broken into twice while I was there.

Daniel Ballard Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:08:37pm

re: #53 ProLifeLiberal

Manchester has been hit now.

That makes 4 cities.

I've been watching on BBC. I'm getting LA riot flashbacks.
Remember poor Reginald Denny?
People patrolling my neighborhood, on my roof with binoculars and fire extinguishers scattered around. Guns out of the lock box, right at hand albeit inside out of sight. Heck we even watched a tiny strip mall nearby, including a neighbors donuts shop. Thankfully no trouble in my zip code.

Velvet Elvis Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:08:43pm

re: #56 laZardo

Why hasn't anyone posted this yet?

[Video]

Youtube Video

laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:08:43pm

re: #59 Idle Drifter

Then the authorities respond by what they do best: something like the incident that started these riots.

Kragar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:09:20pm

re: #61 makeitstop

Nice choice.

I understand that 'London's Burning' by the Clash has been posted over 47,000 times on Facebook.

Here's my choice:

[Video]

See 14

Velvet Elvis Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:09:36pm

re: #59 Idle Drifter

Last I checked the news every hooligan, ultra nationalist, anarchist, thug, etc have taken to the streets looting and burning. There's no rhyme or reason to it, it's just a free for all.

I think "chavs" is the word.

Summer Lovin' Torture Party Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:10:32pm

re: #4 Lidane

I will openly say that I added this tag to Pam's book. Nice to see others agree with it. Heh.

bile swilling hate harpy(94)

That's a good one.

Idle Drifter Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:10:37pm

Youtube Video

Might as well post this. Stay in doors and grab something heavy to swing, UK. Good luck.

albusteve Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:10:38pm

re: #63 Rightwingconspirator

I've been watching on BBC. I'm getting LA riot flashbacks.
Remember poor Reginald Denny?
People patrolling my neighborhood, on my roof with binoculars and fire extinguishers scattered around. Guns out of the lock box, right at hand albeit inside out of sight. Heck we even watched a tiny strip mall nearby, including a neighbors donuts shop. Thankfully no trouble in my zip code.

Korean shop owners sniped and killed thugs trying to burn or gain entry....property owners need access to machine guns...whatever

albusteve Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:11:33pm

the Invasion has begun

Kragar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:11:48pm

re: #63 Rightwingconspirator

I've been watching on BBC. I'm getting LA riot flashbacks.
Remember poor Reginald Denny?
People patrolling my neighborhood, on my roof with binoculars and fire extinguishers scattered around. Guns out of the lock box, right at hand albeit inside out of sight. Heck we even watched a tiny strip mall nearby, including a neighbors donuts shop. Thankfully no trouble in my zip code.

I was in college at the time. Our professor heard the verdict was getting announced that afternoon and cancelled our afternoon class.

jaunte Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:12:11pm

Sainsbury's depot burning in Essex.
Take that, food.

Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:12:19pm

The Discovery Channel (278 on DirecTV) is showing a documentary on Anders Breivik. I'm DVRing it while watching it.

Idle Drifter Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:12:48pm

re: #67 Conservative Moonbat

I think "chavs" is the word.

Had to look up that word. Thank you, Urban Dictionary.

Summer Lovin' Torture Party Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:13:05pm

rantings of an aging former prom queen(1)

jaunte Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:13:23pm

Correction, Sony distribution center in Essex is burning.
Take that, electronics.

Bipartite Gnomenclature Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:13:32pm

re: #73 jaunte

Sainsbury's depot burning in Essex.
Take that, food.

They haven't burned down a McDonalds?

Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:14:08pm

re: #52 Killgore Trout

It's also pretty interesting that most of the wingnut media have thrown Spencer and Geller to the wolves. The best Spencer could manage was an interview on the 700 Club. They wrote up a "new" defense (rehashing their same old crap) and only American Spectator would publish it. No more Fox News for them.

Even Fox doesn't want to be associated with mass murder, nor do most wingnuts. This could be an event that forces many on the further right to actually examine their beliefs or at least the acceptability of those beliefs.

Idle Drifter Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:14:37pm

re: #74 Dark_Falcon

The Discovery Channel (278 on DirecTV) is showing a documentary on Anders Breivik. I'm DVRing it while watching it.

Thanks for the heads up. I just turned it on.

laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:14:53pm

Too many security cameras in London.

It's gonna be either the death or the birth of a new police state.

albusteve Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:15:20pm

re: #78 b_sharp

They haven't burned down a McDonalds?

not a one, but every Wendy's is a smoldering ruin...that debate is over

Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:15:51pm

re: #73 jaunte

Sainsbury's depot burning in Essex.
Take that, food.

Just tweeted ya

jaunte Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:16:52pm

re: #83 Stanley Sea

The BBC announcer had a correction:

mpoppel
BBC: Fire in Waltham Abbey is at a Sony distribution center, not Sainsbury's depot as initially believed

Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:17:37pm

re: #63 Rightwingconspirator

I've been watching on BBC. I'm getting LA riot flashbacks.
Remember poor Reginald Denny?
People patrolling my neighborhood, on my roof with binoculars and fire extinguishers scattered around. Guns out of the lock box, right at hand albeit inside out of sight. Heck we even watched a tiny strip mall nearby, including a neighbors donuts shop. Thankfully no trouble in my zip code.

My mother was visiting her aunt in Memphis when Dr. King was murdered. The two of them didn't leave the house's immediate vicinity for days. Thankfully, the only person who came by with malicious intent was dissuaded by my mother aiming a .22 rifle at him.

Daniel Ballard Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:17:54pm

re: #72 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I was in college at the time. Our professor heard the verdict was getting announced that afternoon and cancelled our afternoon class.

It was one thing to experience riots in "my" city. As a child I saw that first person during the Watts riots, riding with my folks to get my grandparents away from 3rd avenue and Slauson.

So we had riots. OK. Then I heard the police had pulled back to "essential facilities". My city had abandoned its neighborhoods in favor of protecting police stations and city hall. That was scary. Then LAFD pulled out. As we realized we were really on our own we knew the long shot scenario was real. We were on our own, just as if a "big one" earthquake had rocked us all. Then we organized. Called it "Fire Watch". Good neighbors are everything at times like that.

Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:18:19pm

re: #82 albusteve

not a one, but every Wendy's is a smoldering ruin...that debate is over

That ain't funny.

Digital Display Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:18:26pm

re: #72 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I was in college at the time. Our professor heard the verdict was getting announced that afternoon and cancelled our afternoon class.

I was TDY working on the Enterprise.. I remember it like yesterday..
That night we were on Park Street in Alameda and watched the cops just follow the crowd of kids.. They were walking 3 mph and a bunch of cop cars were following at 2mph.. It was surreal..
Waiting for the riot
/New rock song lizards

Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:20:52pm

re: #88 HoosierHoops

I was TDY working on the Enterprise.. I remember it like yesterday..
That night we were on Park Street in Alameda and watched the cops just follow the crowd of kids.. They were walking 3 mph and a bunch of cop cars were following at 2mph.. It was surreal..
Waiting for the riot
/New rock song lizards

Hoops, just so you know: This is Sharks of Steel week on the Military Channel. It's a week devoted to submarines.

ProGunLiberal Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:22:10pm

re: #89 Dark_Falcon

I missed the first 20 minutes of the Discovery Program. :(

albusteve Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:22:30pm

re: #87 Dark_Falcon

That ain't funny.

it is to me...it's not for your benefit

Atlas Fails Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:23:09pm

Youtube Video

ProGunLiberal Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:24:15pm

I just heard from commenters on an internet radio show that the riots are now in Bristol.

laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:24:39pm

I seem to be the only one that thinks London's deserving what it's getting. Cops enjoy shooting minorities, security cameras everywhere, eventually you get a real V for Vendetta vision right there.

Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:25:10pm

re: #90 ProLifeLiberal

I missed the first 20 minutes of the Discovery Program. :(

It will be on again at 11 Eastern/10 Central.

sod Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:25:24pm

re: #59 Idle Drifter

Last I checked the news every hooligan, ultra nationalist, anarchist, thug, etc have taken to the streets looting and burning. There's no rhyme or reason to it, it's just a free for all.

I'm surprised it wasn't the old people. Or the UK branch of the Tea Party. Or both.

ProGunLiberal Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:27:06pm

re: #94 laZardo

I think Britain has many problems, but this cannot be seen as nothing but a unjustifiable act and tragedy.

bratwurst Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:27:58pm

re: #94 laZardo

I seem to be the only one that thinks London's deserving what it's getting. Cops enjoy shooting minorities, security cameras everywhere, eventually you get a real V for Vendetta vision right there.

Nobody deserves what London is getting...don't be silly.

Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:28:10pm

re: #94 laZardo

The guy had a gun and pointed it towards a cop. Where I come from, that'll get you shot anytime and nothing will happen to the cop. From where I sit, the trigger event is nothing to be excited about: Armed drug-dealing gang members tries to throw down on police and gets blown away.

100

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:28:27pm

re: #78 b_sharp

They haven't burned down a McDonalds?

No, but the tv news just said they burned down a landmark building that survived the bombings of WWII.

101

laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:29:26pm

re: #97 ProLifeLiberal

They put more money into more security cameras rather than addressing the kind of problems that bred the poverty that led to these outbursts.

102

albusteve Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:29:28pm

re: #94 laZardo

I seem to be the only one that thinks London's deserving what it's getting. Cops enjoy shooting minorities, security cameras everywhere, eventually you get a real V for Vendetta vision right there.

you're an idiot if you believe your own words

103

Digital Display Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:30:13pm

re: #89 Dark_Falcon

Hoops, just so you know: This is Sharks of Steel week on the Military Channel. It's a week devoted to submarines.

Seen it..I love Subs..Always have..20 years at minsy building boats has made me proud...I'll be recording the shows this week.. Every year is updated..
What bothers me is back in the day the SSN683 was one of the biggest secrets of the Navy...We spent more than a Billion dollars and I spent 3 years of my life art DD#3 building it.. The most badass Sub in the world...
We couldn't say a word about what she could do without jail time.. Now you can google everything about her... After all that money..We retired her.. Unbelievable

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:30:40pm

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

It's still at the legal point of "allegedly", isn't it?

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Iwouldprefernotto Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:30:44pm

islamophobia (274)

She can deny a lot, but not this.

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albusteve Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:31:38pm

re: #101 laZardo

They put more money into more security cameras rather than addressing the kind of problems that bred the poverty that led to these outbursts.

people have choices....some choose to riot, kill, burn etc...what sort of sympathy will that earn them?...you are a naive idealist

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ProGunLiberal Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:32:48pm

re: #96 sod

I think the EDL is targeting Mosques in the chaos.

If true, they're done after this is over.

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:33:54pm

re: #106 albusteve

And I guarantee you a large percentage are nothing more than opportunists taking advantage of mob mentality as cover for massive theft, rape, what ever the fuck they can get away with.

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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:34:32pm

re: #104 Slumbering Behemoth

It's still at the legal point of "allegedly", isn't it?

Probably. But I take the word of the police in cases like this where the perp was found with a gun and drugs on him. Lots of this sort of gang shit in Chicago, and I have very hostile attitude towards the thugs who deal drugs and murder. Yesterday one of their stray shots killed a six-year old waiting to go to church with her grandmother in Chicago. So I'm not going to cry any tears because some drug-gang scumbag got shot by police.

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William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:35:35pm

re: #62 sod

I was being a little sarcastic with my gun control law remark. I lived in England for 4 years and my Mom is English so I'm somewhat familiar with the country, however, I lived in the sticks, not in a metro area so I'm sure the difference is night and day. I did have my car broken into twice while I was there.

That's ok. Being a lefty gun owner, I run into that, non-sarcastically, all to often and just kicked into standard response Mk.1 ;)

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Daniel Ballard Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:36:18pm

Surreal Media Moment
BBC America covering the riots live, with a news crawl text feed across the bottom from Al Jazeera

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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:36:24pm

re: #108 Slumbering Behemoth

And I guarantee you a large percentage are nothing more than opportunists taking advantage of mob mentality as cover for massive theft, rape, what ever the fuck they can get away with.

I know. I wonder if New York should offer to help. The NYPD is very skilled at riot and crowd control. If nothing else, London clearly needs NYPD trainers after this is over to learn how best to deal with gangs and riots.

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ProGunLiberal Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:36:27pm

re: #101 lazardo

This city was targeted a huge number of time during The Troubles. That only ended in 1998.

While I don't agree with what they did, I understand why, and don't begrudge them it.

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laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:37:44pm

re: #113 ProLifeLiberal

I will agree with you that the EDL are definitely being opportunistic here.

Fuel for their fascist fires.

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allegro Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:40:37pm

re: #44 albusteve

read a story today about the wildlife die off across Texas...very disturbing

It's very, very bad. I've worked this state for about 30 years and through several droughts. They are usually more localized to West Texas... we're even losing the Big Thicket this year.

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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:41:57pm

re: #109 Dark_Falcon

Probably. But I take the word of the police in cases like this where the perp was found with a gun and drugs on him.

Why?

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Atlas Fails Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:42:05pm

Pam, keeping us up to date on the nefarious Mooslim plot to indoctrinate our children!!!!11!!

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nickzi Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:42:18pm

re: #94 laZardo

No city deserves this sort of witless thuggery and nor do the innocent people who live there.

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ProGunLiberal Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:42:30pm

re: #100 Slumbering Behemoth

Wikipedia might have the building.

What is it?

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nickzi Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:42:56pm

re: #47 albusteve

Yes, apparently you are.

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Kragar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:43:06pm

re: #117 Atlas Fails

No need to link to her site. Don't want to give her the traffic

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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:43:14pm

re: #116 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Why?

Because they are almost always right about such things. And because I respect the police, but I do not respect scumbags who sling drugs.

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albusteve Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:43:21pm

re: #113 ProLifeLiberal

This city was targeted a huge number of time during The Troubles. That only ended in 1998.

While I don't agree with what they did, I understand why, and don't begrudge them it.

I begrudge them bigtime....your life sucks so you go burn down someone else's business?

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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:44:00pm

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

The guy had a gun and pointed it towards a cop. Where I come from, that'll get you shot anytime and nothing will happen to the cop.

There are cops who think, or at least claim they think, guns are pointed at them. They shoot to kill and still nothing happens to them.

We can count on people excusing their murder, though.

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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:44:21pm

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

Because they are almost always right about such things.

Almost?

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albusteve Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:45:09pm

re: #120 nickzi

Yes, apparently you are.

the only person that got it...good for you

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ProGunLiberal Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:45:15pm

re: #123 albusteve

I mean the city of London.

LaZardo was objecting the cameras everywhere. I was giving him the other side and my view.

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Atlas Fails Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:46:16pm

re: #121 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No need to link to her site. Don't want to give her the traffic

Duly noted. Watching that Discovery Channel show right now just makes me blind with contempt for her hatred and incitement.

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makeitstop Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:47:32pm

re: #66 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

See 14

Sorry, got here late. I was busy killing the EPA thread.

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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:47:38pm

re: #94 laZardo

I seem to be the only one that thinks London's deserving what it's getting. Cops enjoy shooting minorities, security cameras everywhere, eventually you get a real V for Vendetta vision right there.

Nah, nobody deserves that although there are plenty of people here who get off on being afraid of so-called minorities, and believe a police state in minority areas is a good idea.

Same old segregationists, different millennium.

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albusteve Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:49:45pm

re: #130 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Nah, nobody deserves that although there are plenty of people here who get off on being afraid of so-called minorities, and believe a police state in minority areas is a good idea.

Same old segregationists, different millennium.

plenty of people here?....LOL!

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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:52:47pm

re: #131 albusteve

plenty of people here?...LOL!

Did I stutter?

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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:52:55pm

re: #121 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No need to link to her site. Don't want to give her the traffic

This one is a hatchling. Just registered. So tell us about yourself, AF.

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albusteve Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:54:27pm

re: #132 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Did I stutter?

I think so...let's take a vote

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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:54:39pm

re: #125 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Almost?

Mistakes do happen. They are very rare, but they do happen. If I had said always without the qualification, you would have hammered me with one of those exceptions.

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albusteve Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:55:51pm

will the segregationists here please form a line...
LOL!

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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:56:02pm

re: #134 albusteve

I think so...let's take a vote

What's your problem with the post?

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makeitstop Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:56:38pm

re: #87 Dark_Falcon

That ain't funny.

Actually, I LOLed.

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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:56:51pm

re: #136 albusteve

will the segregationists here please form a line...
LOL!

Lol I see, you took that personally about LGF.

Well, that's on you.

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albusteve Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:56:54pm

re: #137 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

What's your problem with the post?

that shit doesn't even deserve a reply

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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:57:05pm

re: #135 Dark_Falcon

Mistakes do happen. They are very rare, but they do happen. If I had said always without the qualification, you would have hammered me with one of those exceptions.

Eggs/omlettes.

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Kragar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:57:56pm

re: #133 Dark_Falcon

This one is a hatchling. Just registered. So tell us about yourself, AF.

I know, just letting him know.

(keep it distracted, I'll get the tranq gun ready in case we need it)
/

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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:58:08pm

re: #140 albusteve

that shit doesn't even deserve a reply

Then why are you replying? Don't be so eager to feel offended.

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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:59:32pm

re: #141 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

That's an overreach. You are imputing into my words something that I did not say.

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sod Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:00:17pm

re: #81 laZardo

Gatsos - not security cameras really, but the traffic cams in England don't seem to be well received judging by that site. Pretty funny if you ask me.

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Atlas Fails Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:01:15pm

Brevik longed for the approval of the EDL according to Disc. Channel. I now expect Pam and Robert to publicly denounce and distance themselves.

/times 1000

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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:03:07pm

re: #146 Atlas Fails

Brevik longed for the approval of the EDL according to Disc. Channel. I now expect Pam and Robert to publicly denounce and distance themselves.

/times 1000

It's far too late for that. The links between them are too firmly established to deny credibly. Pam and Bobby are toast.

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makeitstop Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:03:10pm

re: #112 Dark_Falcon

The NYPD is very skilled at riot and crowd control.

What makes you say that?

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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:06:49pm

re: #148 makeitstop

What makes you say that?

They showed their skill during the Republican National Convention in 2004. They hammered every attempt at a riot into the ground quickly. The "black bloc" never had a chance.

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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:07:58pm

re: #144 Dark_Falcon

That's an overreach. You are imputing into my words something that I did not say.

It's not an overreach at all. "Mistakes do happen", eh people get killed. Eh trust what the police say about suspects because they're very rarely wrong. rotfl

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:09:21pm

re: #119 ProLifeLiberal

Wikipedia might have the building.

What is it?

It was on the tv news. The didn't say anything about it beyond what I put in that post, and I certainly don't know enough about the city on my own to hazard a guess.

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makeitstop Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:12:08pm

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

They showed their skill during the Republican National Convention in 2004. They hammered every attempt at a riot into the ground quickly. The "black bloc" never had a chance.

Oh, yeah. 'Arrest everybody and hold them until the convention is over' worked great.
/

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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:14:15pm

re: #150 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Given the volume of gang crime in Chicago, I don't have a very nuanced position on crime. You hear that some gang member pulled a gun on a cop and got shot, 199 times out of 200 you'll find that's what happened. That's good enough for me to draw conclusions.

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Daniel Ballard Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:25:20pm

re: #124 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

There are cops who think, or at least claim they think, guns are pointed at them. They shoot to kill and still nothing happens to them.

We can count on people excusing their murder, though.

Thats a far more rare occurrence. Especially those who "think" its a gun. But that would lead us to ponder how many cops actually get shotwould it not? Lives depend on police.

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Daniel Ballard Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:26:37pm

re: #150 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

It's not an overreach at all. "Mistakes do happen", eh people get killed. Eh trust what the police say about suspects because they're very rarely wrong. rotfl

Laugh all you want. Laughing at the graves of those first responders we often depend on.

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:30:14pm

re: #94 laZardo

I seem to be the only one that thinks London's deserving what it's getting. Cops enjoy shooting minorities, security cameras everywhere, eventually you get a real V for Vendetta vision right there.

Yeah, you may be it in terms of rooting for the mob.

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Daniel Ballard Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:33:52pm

re: #156 SanFranciscoZionist

Some of this anti police sentiment is well beyond reasonable wariness. It's a renewed leftist "meme"-ory.

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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:38:22pm

re: #157 Rightwingconspirator

Some of this anti police sentiment is well beyond reasonable wariness. It's a renewed leftist "meme"-ory.

Then they can own that. If liberals her or elsewhere wish to use anti-police rhetoric, then I'll use that to pound them.

Anti-police = pro-criminal

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laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:40:30pm

Watch out, they're probably gonna sic the Royal Armed Forces on them. Next thing you know, Adam Susan gets elected Prime Minister...

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BishopX Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:41:24pm

re: #154 Rightwingconspirator

In Chicago, police officer have killed more people so this year (16) as than they have lost over the previous 15 years due to gunfire. They have shot 43 people so far this year. The latest was a 13 year old kid.

Lives do depend on police action, most of whom depend on the police not shooting them.

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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:43:35pm

re: #159 laZardo

It's at "call in the army" stage, quite likely.

I'd also propose that the monies needed to pay the troops their hazard pay should be generated from forced labor done by those convicted of rioting. Perhaps some time on a chain gang will teach them not to cross the law.

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laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:44:08pm

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

It's at "call in the army" stage, quite likely.

I'd also propose that the monies needed to pay the troops their hazard pay should be generated from forced labor done by those convicted of rioting. Perhaps some time on a chain gang will teach them not to cross the law.

Worse comes to worse, you could send 'em to Larkhill.

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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:45:38pm

re: #160 BishopX

In Chicago, police officer have killed more people so this year (16) as than they have lost over the previous 15 years due to gunfire. They have shot 43 people so far this year. The latest was a 13 year old kid.

Lives do depend on police action, most of whom depend on the police not shooting them.

They've been trying to take down some very violent drug gangs. Doing so involves more aggressive moves into gang territory, which produces an uptick in violence. This is like the surge in Iraq. It will get worse for a short time, then it will get better.

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laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:48:05pm

re: #163 Dark_Falcon

They've been trying to take down some very violent drug gangs. Doing so involves more aggressive moves into gang territory, which produces an uptick in violence. This is like the surge in Iraq. It will get worse for a short time, then it will get better.

Just like Detroit. And D.C. And New York until the late 1980s.

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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:48:42pm

re: #162 laZardo

Can the "V for Vendetta" crap. There are no behind the scenes machinations in play here. This is about the maintenance of law and order. If normal police cannot contain a riot, then more force must be brought in.

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laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:50:32pm

re: #165 Dark_Falcon

Can the "V for Vendetta" crap. There are no behind the scenes machinations in play here. This is about the maintenance of law and order. If normal police cannot contain a riot, then more force must be brought in.

My take on it is that it's always been considered the only real response to that sort of thing. Wait until the outbreaks to really flex the collective muscle of the authority.

Why didn't anyone ever think of finding ways to prevent the violence by giving them less reason to break out? Whatever happened to better social services and education?

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BishopX Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:51:01pm

re: #165 Dark_Falcon

I think that the Met is really at fault for most of this. When you sit back and watch cars burn without arresting rioters you create more rioters. If they had clamped down after the first night this wouldn't be happening.

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Daniel Ballard Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:51:08pm

re: #160 BishopX

How many of these shootings are out of policy or wrong by reasonable measure? That would be the thing. Not just a raw count. If Chicago has a big problem then let's get that fixed. Countless honest hard working police men and women depend on a mutual faith and respect between civilian and police. Each does great harm to the other from time to time. Each must find a way past those instances.

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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:51:14pm

re: #164 laZardo

Just like Detroit. And D.C. And New York until the late 1980s.

The tide in New York did not turn till Guliani was elected. Only then did the NYPD start to receive the funding, manpower, equipment, and training it needed. Armed with those things, grouped into revolutionary tactics and systems like COMPSTAT, the NYPD brought crime back under control. Resolute, effective police action is the biggest factor in crime control.

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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:52:01pm

re: #167 BishopX

I think that the Met is really at fault for most of this. When you sit back and watch cars burn without arresting rioters you create more rioters. If they had clamped down after the first night this wouldn't be happening.

Quite Concur.

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laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:52:35pm

re: #169 Dark_Falcon

The tide in New York did not turn till Guliani was elected. Only then did the NYPD start to receive the funding, manpower, equipment, and training it needed. Armed with those things, grouped into revolutionary tactics and systems like COMPSTAT, the NYPD brought crime back under control. Resolute, effective police action is the biggest factor in crime control.

And a bit of actual urban renewal. Some would have called it "Disney-izing" like what happened in Times Square.

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Daniel Ballard Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:53:59pm

During the LA riots I was far more afraid of violence because LAPD was off patrol than on patrol. Given a choice between the gangs of LA and LAPD I'll hang with LAPD. They don't go shooting people for the hell of it. Gangs do every weekend.

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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:04:53pm

re: #171 laZardo

And a bit of actual urban renewal. Some would have called it "Disney-izing" like what happened in Times Square.

But Times Square was rendered safe. And that made it much better for the law-abiding people on whose labors and tourist dollars New York City depends. Further, it being cleaned up means that it now employs more people, with some of those 'Disney' jobs providing a path up from poverty for those willing to work. That is progress.

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BishopX Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:09:45pm

re: #168 Rightwingconspirator

Chicago has a bit of a reputation for police brutality, so they numbers might be higher. I was using it because DF was from there.

From the standpoint of justified vs unjustified, I don't have the breakdown for every police shooting this year. No handy summaries turned up on Google.Chicago has paid out 200 million in brutality and wrongful arrest suits between 2000 and 2007 though. That's a little under 3,000 dollars per year per officer, which strikes me as high.

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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:19:48pm

re: #174 BishopX

Chicago has a bit of a reputation for police brutality, so they numbers might be higher. I was using it because DF was from there.

From the standpoint of justified vs unjustified, I don't have the breakdown for every police shooting this year. No handy summaries turned up on Google.Chicago has paid out 200 million in brutality and wrongful arrest suits between 2000 and 2007 though. That's a little under 3,000 dollars per year per officer, which strikes me as high.

Sadly, Chicago has had some serious problems, with John Burge topping the list. But the new police chief is an honest and dedicated fellow and he is making good decisions some far. I am optimistic.

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AK-47% Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:37:30am

You Santorum-ed her!

Now it can be used as a verb, as in "to cause someone embarassment on the Internet by making them deal with the consequences of their own hateful speech"

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RIRedinPA Tue, Aug 9, 2011 7:47:41am

re: #38 PhillyPretzel

Take a bottle cap, squeeze it in half, instant razor. Got that one from some crazy Filipino's I train with in silat. They go in a bar and first thing they do is order a bottle of beer, take the cap, squeeze it and pocket it just in case.

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shreck Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:02:09pm

I watched the NBC nightly news, a "youth" threw a rock at the police and when reproached by an elderly gentleman the yob slapped him. It actually made me mad. And it looks like whole block are burning.

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