Again the right wing blogs are freaking out, because of this Newsweek cover photograph of Michele Bachmann:
But this isn’t the first time someone has noticed Bachmann’s glazed fanatical stare:
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Meitantei Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:47:09pm |
The person on the cover is clearly a zombie.
Brain-eater for President 2012!
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allegro Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:50:12pm |
It's always good to get validation that it isn't just me that sees crazy when I see her face. I got the same feeling with that goofy run-away bride from a few years ago. Just weird, creepy eyes that made my skin crawl.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:50:12pm |
Lol Newsweek is hilarious.
I'm just waiting for the big wails of "sexist!!!" "and racism too!!!!" to come bellowing out of the rightwing's newly minted PC-mavens.
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Idle Drifter Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:50:16pm |
If she offers me cupcakes, I'm not eating them. Ever. As in my very soul may depend on it.
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God of Binders with Women Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:50:40pm |
I'll lay you even money the photographer told her what his/her idea was and obviously she went along with it. I read the New Yorker piece on Bachmann, and she's a control freak among, obviously, other things.
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Atlas Fails Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:51:52pm |
re: #6 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Lol Newsweek is hilarious.
I'm just waiting for the big wails of "sexist!!!" "and racism too!!!" to come bellowing out of the rightwing's newly minted PC-mavens.
My favorite right-wing PC term: Job Creators (TM)
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allegro Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:52:41pm |
re: #10 Atlas Fails
My favorite right-wing PC term: Job Creators (TM)
If PC stands for propaganda calling.
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nines09 Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:53:43pm |
Just ask yourself one question. Would you buy a used car from this person?
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Meitantei Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:53:59pm |
re: #10 Atlas Fails
When a clerk 150 years ago was tired and tied a rubber at the end of his pencil to make erasing easier, I wonder if he would be viewed as a Job Creator. Of course, the Tea Party doesn't read, so I doubt they knew what speech I'm talking about.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:54:21pm |
re: #10 Atlas Fails
My favorite right-wing PC term: Job Creators (TM)
Last good one I heard from a couple Palin interviews: "these Tea Party Americans". rotfl
So stupid.
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ProGunLiberal Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:54:37pm |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:55:04pm |
re: #9 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
THE ABYSS! IT STARES BACK!
It's like she's gazed upon the visage of Cthulhu or something.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:55:27pm |
LOL! It just looks like they didn't photo shop the photo which is bad for her as a conservative woman because the only way a conservative woman can make it to the big time it to be attractive. This photo has killed all of the wingnut's boners, so in other words she's toast.
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God of Binders with Women Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:56:21pm |
re: #15 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Last good one I heard from a couple Palin interviews: "these Tea Party Americans". rotfl
So stupid.
I guess Real Americans (TM) lost it's appeal?
/
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:59:09pm |
re: #19 Kid A
I guess Real Americans (TM) lost it's appeal?
/
They got No True Scotsmanned on that one, I think.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:59:11pm |
re: #18 moderatelyradicalliberal
LOL! It just looks like they didn't photo shop the photo which is bad for her as a conservative woman because the only way a conservative woman can make it to the big time it to be attractive. This photo has killed all of the wingnut's boners, so in other words she's toast.
I'm glad that's settled
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Aug 8, 2011 6:59:59pm |
re: #20 jaunte
Scary.
Image: transition.jpg
Dude, how about a warning first. Seriously, that's just awful and I wasn't prepared at all.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:00:00pm |
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allegro Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:00:12pm |
re: #18 moderatelyradicalliberal
LOL! It just looks like they didn't photo shop the photo which is bad for her as a conservative woman because the only way a conservative woman can make it to the big time it to be attractive. This photo has killed all of the wingnut's boners, so in other words she's toast.
I know some people who are pretty gifted at Photoshop. Don't know any who are THAT good.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:00:25pm |
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JJ42 Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:00:33pm |
I'd rather vote for nr. 5 from NMTB. He looks more trustworthy.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:00:36pm |
And true to form, Google put a Bachmann ad on the page.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:01:00pm |
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:02:05pm |
re: #27 thedopefishlives
Okay, dammit, I have to sleep tonight sometime. Bastard.
She sees ur dreems.
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Kragar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:02:12pm |
re: #17 thedopefishlives
It's like she's gazed upon the visage of Cthulhu or something.
Except Cthulhu ran away screaming and decided getting a job in Japanese porn was a safer route to world domination
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:02:52pm |
re: #33 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Except Cthulhu ran away screaming and decided getting a job in Japanese porn was a safer route to world domination
She didn't go crazy from looking at him; no, indeed, the case is quite the opposite. She is the Lovecraftian horror of the Lovecraftian universe.
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Idle Drifter Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:03:34pm |
re: #25 Killgore Trout
OK, I'm disturbed enough already for tonight. I'm not going to be able to sleep. Whiskey should help with that though.
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ProGunLiberal Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:03:36pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:04:47pm |
re: #34 thedopefishlives
She didn't go crazy from looking at him; no, indeed, the case is quite the opposite. She is the Lovecraftian horror of the Lovecraftian universe.
We can still deal with her. Just put her in a tank with a few dopefish. They'll eat anything.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:04:58pm |
re: #38 Dark_Falcon
We can still deal with her. Just put her in a tank with a few dopefish. They'll eat anything.
Swim swim hungry...
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:05:11pm |
re: #18 moderatelyradicalliberal
LOL! It just looks like they didn't photo shop the photo which is bad for her as a conservative woman because the only way a conservative woman can make it to the big time it to be attractive. This photo has killed all of the wingnut's boners, so in other words she's toast.
Don't know if you remember this or not, but stupid Fox did an entire show on the first time Newsweek didn't photoshop a pic of Palin.
Oh, the cries of "sexism!!!!" we had to endure, just because they didn't photoshop a cover photo. Every woman is going to be humiliated!!!! boo hoo...
smh
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sod Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:07:01pm |
re: #38 Dark_Falcon
When I first read that I thought you meant tank, as in Sherman or Panzer.
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Kragar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:08:00pm |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:08:21pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:09:14pm |
re: #41 sod
When I first read that I thought you meant tank, as in Sherman or Panzer.
It was just a riff on TDFL's nic.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:09:41pm |
re: #44 Dark_Falcon
It was just a riff on TDFL's nic.
For those who were around the last time I explained what a dopefish is. Not everybody trolls the early morning open threads.
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wee fury Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:10:51pm |
It is an unflattering picture of an attractive woman. No reason to use this photo, except for spite.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:12:41pm |
re: #46 wee fury
It is an unflattering picture of an attractive woman. No reason to use this photo, except for spite.
BARTENDER!
I'll have a Double Spite please...
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:13:07pm |
re: #46 wee fury
It is an unflattering picture of an attractive woman. No reason to use this photo, except for spite.
Whether or not she is attractive is a subjective matter. "Politics of spite" might fit her, though.
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sod Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:13:08pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:13:25pm |
re: #6 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Lol Newsweek is hilarious.
I'm just waiting for the big wails of "sexist!!!" "and racism too!!!" to come bellowing out of the rightwing's newly minted PC-mavens.
NOW has it covered.
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Kragar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:15:29pm |
God forbid any use a non-flattering photo of a politician in an article.
No seriously, God forbids it. Bryan Fischer told me so. That and that that rule doesn't apply to godless liberals.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:15:30pm |
re: #50 Slumbering Behemoth
NOW has it covered.
OTC, NOW will be labeled "sexist! and racist!" because they did not rush to her defense.
(And if they did it wasn't quick enough.)
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Atlas Fails Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:15:36pm |
re: #29 Dark_Falcon
And true to form, Google put a Bachmann ad on the page.
The ad calls her a "constitutional conservative," but judging by this cover, she looks more like a constipated conservative.
/rimshot
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albusteve Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:15:37pm |
re: #48 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Whether or not she is attractive is a subjective matter. "Politics of spite" might fit her, though.
I say spite the bitch
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:16:27pm |
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The Yankee Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:16:39pm |
She has the same gaze as that female Astronaut that went cross country to attack that other women.
Or that other woman that ran away from her husband.
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sod Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:17:32pm |
I'm tempted to subscribe to LGF just to make that damn pop under window that does nothing but somehow consumes my CPU on my laptop and causes the fan to kick up to 100% go away.
Quite a run-on I had going there.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:17:44pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:18:59pm |
re: #51 Slumbering Behemoth
Yeah, it won't be quick, or loud, enough defense, though.
The socon bigots now have a chance, though, to push Bachmann/Palin as the troo "feminists" and harangue every pro-choice woman who doesn't vote for them as self-hating misogynists.
I expect the tea party email I have to explode tonight with pleas for money.
Lol conservative PC.
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makeitstop Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:19:24pm |
re: #52 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
God forbid any use a non-flattering photo of a politician in an article.
No seriously, God forbids it. Bryan Fischer told me so. That and that that rule doesn't apply to godless liberals.
Yeah, no news outlet ever did that with the Clintons.
And Fox News never uses unflattering shots of Michele Obama.
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jaunte Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:19:39pm |
re: #46 wee fury
It is an unflattering picture of an attractive woman. No reason to use this photo, except for spite.
She's ok to look at, if you like nasty little bigots.
Bachmann saw Melissa Etheridge’s cancer as a teachable moment: “Unfortunately she is now suffering from breast cancer, so keep her in your prayers,” she said in November 2004. “This may be an opportunity for her now to be open to some spiritual things, now that she is suffering with that physical disease. She is a lesbian.”[Link: thinkprogress.org...]
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blueraven Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:20:02pm |
re: #6 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Lol Newsweek is hilarious.
I'm just waiting for the big wails of "sexist!!!" "and racism too!!!" to come bellowing out of the rightwing's newly minted PC-mavens.
Well I am neither PC nor rightwing, but I do feel a bit uncomfortable with this cover. Certainly not flattering to say the least.
I just think there are better ways to call her out on her positions and crazy statements. When the cover becomes the story, the actual text is often overlooked. I dont know, as a woman, I dont care for this. Seems to be a cheap trick.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:20:27pm |
I wish Michele Bachmann would stop hogging all the magic mushrooms...Other people would like to have that kind of wild intensity in their eyes too...stop being so selfish!
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wee fury Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:21:21pm |
re: #61 makeitstop
Yeah, no news outlet ever did that with the Clintons.
And Fox News never uses unflattering shots of Michele Obama.
///
Does not compute. Do not believe those unflattering photo's of Mrs. Obama or Mrs. Clinton were on the cover of a national magazine.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:21:47pm |
re: #46 wee fury
It is an unflattering picture of an attractive woman. No reason to use this photo, except for spite.
It's what she looks like. It's not like she didn't POSE for that picture. She did. She should own up to the fact that she looks as crazy as she sounds.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:21:47pm |
re: #63 blueraven
Well I am neither PC nor rightwing, but I do feel a bit uncomfortable with this cover. Certainly not flattering to say the least.
I just think there are better ways to call her out on her positions and crazy statements. When the cover becomes the story, the actual text is often overlooked. I dont know, as a woman, I dont care for this. Seems to be a cheap trick.
fine...I have zero sympathy for this cretin
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allegro Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:21:49pm |
re: #57 The Yankee
She has the same gaze as that female Astronaut that went cross country to attack that other women.
Or that other woman that ran away from her husband.
That's the one I was talking about above. So very creepy.
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wee fury Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:22:04pm |
re: #65 wee fury
Does not compute. Do not believe those unflattering photo's of Mrs. Obama or Mrs. Clinton were on the cover of a national magazine.
And, just for the record, I am not a Bachmann fan.
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makeitstop Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:23:42pm |
re: #65 wee fury
Does not compute. Do not believe those unflattering photo's of Mrs. Obama or Mrs. Clinton were on the cover of a national magazine.
No, just a 24/7 news outlet, and every internet property they control.
Nobody looks at those.
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Batman Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:24:15pm |
It's not her fault; they must have put something in the botox. Probably the government did it.
But seriously, how can you be upset over this. That is her face. Her so-called supporters who are raging are only raging because she has a weird face. That's a shot she was totally aware of and prepared for. She wanted that picture taken, and to look like that.
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sod Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:24:30pm |
re: #66 darthstar
I wonder if they asked her if she liked the cover before they published it.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:24:35pm |
re: #69 wee fury
And, just for the record, I am not a Bachmann fan.
I think she should have just let it go. She posed for the pics, and if it wasn't for Botox, her face wouldn't have that paralyzed look to it...but "Botox makes you look younger"...until you're shown in HD photography.
This wound is self inflicted...I feel no pity for her (not that I'd give a crap if she was slighted, given her unapologetic bigotry.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:25:08pm |
re: #66 darthstar
It's what she looks like. It's not like she didn't POSE for that picture. She did. She should own up to the fact that she looks as crazy as she sounds.
I think the argument is that this photograph is or may be unretouched, which is decidedly out of the norm for political pictures. If you ask me, I think airbrushing and Fauxtoshopping has been out of control for a while now (see, for example, Al Gore's airbrushed package), so I actually think it's a bit of a step forward to show her in her natural light. Peel back the layers and show the crazy underneath, as it were.
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The Yankee Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:25:25pm |
re: #5 allegro
It's always good to get validation that it isn't just me that sees crazy when I see her face. I got the same feeling with that goofy run-away bride from a few years ago. Just weird, creepy eyes that made my skin crawl.
I took an art class in college and high school. Generally you don't see a person's entire iris and the pupil generally takes up a large portion of one's iris too.
Basically she has beedy eyes.
The run away bride more so then the Bachenator.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:25:34pm |
Wow. That photo is terribly unflattering.
/Capt. Obvious
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darthstar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:26:07pm |
re: #72 sod
I wonder if they asked her if she liked the cover before they published it.
You shoot dead bovine hormones into your forehead then pose for a picture...you'd look like a corpse above the eyebrows too. Palin, Bachmann, Greta "I bit a turd" Van Sustern...they're all paralyzed above the eyelids from cosmetic surgery. Fuck them and their vanity. They paid good money to look like crazed corpses...let them enjoy their moments in the sun.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:26:11pm |
re: #63 blueraven
Well I am neither PC nor rightwing, but I do feel a bit uncomfortable with this cover. Certainly not flattering to say the least.
I just think there are better ways to call her out on her positions and crazy statements. When the cover becomes the story, the actual text is often overlooked. I dont know, as a woman, I dont care for this. Seems to be a cheap trick.
What tickles me is, these dumb bigots who spent the last 20 years calling women feminazis now using supposed "feminist" arguments to defend dorks like a self-identified feminist like Palin and Bachmann, whatever she is. NewsBeast of all publications needs to move magazines, so it's not the first time they've done it. Why they keep trying evades me, though, because it never seems to work for them.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:26:38pm |
re: #78 darthstar
You shoot dead bovine hormones into your forehead then pose for a picture...you'd look like a corpse above the eyebrows too. Palin, Bachmann, Greta "I bit a turd" Van Sustern...they're all paralyzed above the eyelids from cosmetic surgery. Fuck them and their vanity. They paid good money to look like crazed corpses...let them enjoy their moments in the sun.
Sorry...botulism...not dead bovine hormones... My mistake.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:26:45pm |
re: #73 darthstar
I think she should have just let it go. She posed for the pics, and if it wasn't for Botox, her face wouldn't have that paralyzed look to it...but "Botox makes you look younger"...until you're shown in HD photography.
This wound is self inflicted...I feel no pity for her (not that I'd give a crap if she was slighted, given her unapologetic bigotry.
I think she should suffer for her eternity...she's a heartless slug, wrecking other peoples lives
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:27:29pm |
re: #70 makeitstop
No, just a 24/7 news outlet, and every internet property they control.
Nobody looks at those.
//
NewsBeast's circ is so low these days, I can hardly find it anywhere anymore. Especially with Borders closing....though it was hard to find there, as well.
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allegro Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:28:01pm |
Sexism is saying that a woman isn't qualified to do the job because she is a woman regardless of the capabilities she has exhibited that demonstrate she is as qualified as any man. A picture is not sexist unless it is highlighting a woman's gender identifying features in a sexually objectifying manner. This photo does neither.
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makeitstop Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:28:10pm |
Besides, doesn't she keep a tighter lid on her public image than Lady Gaga?
Yeah... she does.
The leased, fourteen-seat corporate jet was to serve as Bachmann’s campaign hub for the next few days, and, before the plane took off, her press secretary, Alice Stewart, announced to the six travelling chroniclers that there was one important rule. “I know everything is on the record these days,” Stewart said, “but please just don’t broadcast images of her in her casual clothes.”
...
But Bachmann and her campaign staff know that––like Sarah Palin and like Mitt Romney—her image depends on a carefully groomed glamour. As Stewart was spelling out the rules of the plane, a flight attendant solemnly carried a full-length white garment bag from Nordstrom down the aisle, as if she were carrying the nuclear codes. Close behind followed two more aides––Bachmann’s personal assistant, Tera Dahl, and the makeup artist Tamara Robertson, who had been asked to join the team because Bachmann so admired her work at Fox News.
Sounds to me like she's got right of approval on everything. She ucked p by letting Newsweek run the photo.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:28:11pm |
re: #75 The Yankee
I was thinking more along the lines of "wall-eyed".
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albusteve Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:29:07pm |
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darthstar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:29:12pm |
re: #81 albusteve
I think she should suffer for her eternity...she's a heartless slug, wrecking other peoples lives
That's where you and I differ (among other places)...I'd never wish that upon someone - even someone I disliked.
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sod Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:29:27pm |
re: #78 darthstar
Thanks for the chance to quote 30 Rock (again):
Sexual performance issues? That does happen to men, I've faced it myself, with Greta Van Susteren, before her head transplant.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:29:50pm |
re: #83 allegro
A picture is not sexist unless it is highlighting a woman's gender identifying features in a sexually objectifying manner.
Damn. I tend to like those. :(
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makeitstop Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:29:51pm |
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albusteve Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:30:25pm |
re: #87 darthstar
That's where you and I differ (among other places)...I'd never wish that upon someone - even someone I disliked.
she's worthy
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:31:31pm |
re: #83 allegro
Sexism is saying that a woman isn't qualified to do the job because she is a woman regardless of the capabilities she has exhibited that demonstrate she is as qualified as any man. A picture is not sexist unless it is highlighting a woman's gender identifying features in a sexually objectifying manner. This photo does neither.
Won't stop the socon hypocrites who have suddenly discovered the existence of "sexism" thanks to Sarah Palin's candidacy.
But only for Palin and Bachmann. Not for Moochelle. Who does that bitch think she is, anyway. ///
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:31:34pm |
re: #86 albusteve
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albusteve Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:31:58pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:32:02pm |
re: #63 blueraven
Well I am neither PC nor rightwing, but I do feel a bit uncomfortable with this cover. Certainly not flattering to say the least.
I just think there are better ways to call her out on her positions and crazy statements. When the cover becomes the story, the actual text is often overlooked. I dont know, as a woman, I dont care for this. Seems to be a cheap trick.
Agreed. Bachmann is a political malefactor, but this picture still strikes me as a cheap shot by a publication that's been 'amateur hour' all year.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:32:27pm |
re: #87 darthstar
That's where you and I differ (among other places)...I'd never wish that upon someone - even someone I disliked.
A mass murderer like Breivik, I could see it. Bachmann...she's just a politician.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:32:54pm |
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albusteve Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:33:02pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:33:12pm |
lol creepiest eyes ever
HI EVERYONE! FOLLOW ME INTO THE MIND-VATS!
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Gus Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:33:42pm |
In a way. Bachmann is befitting as a candidate for president in this banana country.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:34:00pm |
re: #98 albusteve
Scared outta my scales.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:34:35pm |
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Kragar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:34:40pm |
re: #65 wee fury
Does not compute. Do not believe those unflattering photo's of Mrs. Obama or Mrs. Clinton were on the cover of a national magazine.
Nope, never...
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:36:06pm |
The expression is a strange mixture of startled and constipated.
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makeitstop Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:36:14pm |
re: #94 albusteve
never eaten a walled I'd?...you have not lived in the fish world
Oh, sure. I was referring to your post in terms of...
oh, never mind. Family blog. :)
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blueraven Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:36:38pm |
re: #79 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
What tickles me is, these dumb bigots who spent the last 20 years calling women feminazis now using supposed "feminist" arguments to defend dorks like a self-identified feminist like Palin and Bachmann, whatever she is. NewsBeast of all publications needs to move magazines, so it's not the first time they've done it. Why they keep trying evades me, though, because it never seems to work for them.
Totally...hypocrisy from both side as I see it.
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allegro Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:37:13pm |
re: #103 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Nope, never...
I think that is a beautiful pic of Hillary actually. Very Betty Davis, sultry and sexy. (Sorry if that blows your point.)
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darthstar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:37:26pm |
re: #104 laZardo
FUCK
Did Cameron get laid off and now needs health insurance? I thought he was in the UK and had NHS.
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The Yankee Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:37:32pm |
re: #95 Dark_Falcon
Agreed. Bachmann is a political malefactor, but this picture still strikes me as a cheap shot by a publication that's been 'amateur hour' all year.
I some what dis-agree this lady has crazy eyes, Obama has big ears, the pope looks like he belong in star wars. You have to some what go out of the way to stop these features from showing up in pictures you post of them. And it seems like this picture was one that she actually posed for.
I remember when the right with nuts over the picture of Sarah Palin that I saw absolutely nothing wrong with. I think this is a case of the boy who cried wolf more so then anything else.
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makeitstop Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:37:36pm |
re: #95 Dark_Falcon
Agreed. Bachmann is a political malefactor, but this picture still strikes me as a cheap shot by a publication that's been 'amateur hour' all year.
Why? That's what she really looks like.
Every other shot of her is all glammed up, airbrushed, stylized.
That one's real. What a cheap shot.
.
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allegro Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:38:47pm |
re: #107 blueraven
Totally...hypocrisy from both side as I see it.
I get the hypocrisy of those who are screaming sexism after years of feminazi crap. Where's the hypocrisy on the other side?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:38:50pm |
NewsBeast is actually doing her a favor by giving her constituents one more thing to bellyache about.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:39:09pm |
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What, me worry? Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:39:22pm |
Not sure how I feel about it. We've seen the wild-eyed stare before, but it does seem un-retouched which wouldn't be the norm.
Remember cute and sexy Sarah on Newsweek?
and
Image: palin-on-newsweek-cover.jpg
Not so much this one.
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The Yankee Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:39:41pm |
re: #108 allegro
I think that is a beautiful pic of Hillary actually. Very Betty Davis, sultry and sexy. (Sorry if that blows your point.)
She looks evil in the picture. They were trying to make her look shady to go with the premise they were pushing.
I don't mind this at all.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:40:24pm |
re: #117 marjoriemoon
Not sure how I feel about it. We've seen the wild-eyed stare before, but it does seem un-retouched which wouldn't be the norm.
Remember cute and sexy Sarah on Newsweek?
and
Image: palin-on-newsweek-cover.jpg
Not so much this one.
Newsweek has taken a hard lurch to the left in recent months.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:40:26pm |
re: #108 allegro
I think that is a beautiful pic of Hillary actually. Very Betty Davis, sultry and sexy. (Sorry if that blows your point.)
I don't know about his point, but that does blow my mind. Sultry and Sexy? wow
:P
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darthstar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:40:39pm |
re: #111 The Yankee
Exactly. It was her photo shoot. If she wanted to be pretty and look sane, she should have given them a picture of Sandra Bullock.
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freetoken Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:41:18pm |
Looking at the 2012 election: As we all know, there was a census in 2010 and the Congressional districts are being redrawn. Here in California an independent commission draws up the districts.
Here (PDF) are the new districts for San Diego county.
California population went up enough to cause some interesting changes.
Here in San Diego county one of the biggest changes is to the district which Duncan the Lesser now represents, which in the new map is labeled district 50. Basically he lost the inner-burbs of San Diego and the Mexican heritage dominated border area. Well, at least now he won't have to represent as many brown people! Plus he'll get lots of support from the theocrats up in Temecula. So, I expect Duncan the Lesser to be re-elected.
However, the good news is that he won't be my rep any more!
Also affected in the redrawing is the district of Darrel Issa (R-Grand Theft Auto), whose current district looks to be partially turned into the new #49, which means he'll have to decide with Rep Bilbray (another (R), but the only one of the San Diego GOP politicians who isn't looney or a crook) on who'll run in 49. 49 will go (R), as it includes the uber-rich communities (Rancho Santa Fe, Fairbanks Ranch, Del Mar, etc.) as well as the Orange County wanna-bes of Oceanside, Carlsbad, and also includes the prettier areas of the real Orange County. In other words, solid GOP territory.
The new district 51 is majority hispanic and overwhelmingly Democratic. No Wingnut need apply here, though I'm sure someone will try.
The new district 53 is the most ethnically diverse, is composed greatly of what people like to label "middle class", and will very likely go (D), as it is now.
This leaves the new district 52 as a toss up. It is slightly (R) dominant in registration; it includes the high rent areas of San Diego as well as the inland north county burbs (mix of "upper middle class"). Whether the Dems can capture it will probably depend totally on turnout. A low turnout will definitely make it go (R). I suspect it will take a very high turnout in 2012 for the Dems to take it.
So it looks like for 2012, the SD area congressional representation will be: two (R), two (D), one likely (but not secured) (R).
IOW, I don't see the San Diego area helping to change the political mix in Congress in the 2012 election.
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bratwurst Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:41:36pm |
re: #6 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Lol Newsweek is hilarious.
.
If by "hilarious" you mean "embarrassing and unreadable" then I am with you. Three Kate Middleton covers (with an Olsen twins cover thrown in), a love letter to Sarah Palin and now this. I really think Tina Brown should be ashamed of herself for dragging a troubled brand down even further.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:41:50pm |
re: #120 Slumbering Behemoth
I don't know about his point, but that does blow my mind. Sultry and Sexy? wow
:P
hurl me
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allegro Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:42:23pm |
re: #120 Slumbering Behemoth
I don't know about his point, but that does blow my mind. Sultry and Sexy? wow
:P
I'm a (mostly) het woman. Take my description of sultry and sexy accordingly. ;)
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darthstar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:43:41pm |
At least Romney gets fair treatment.
Image: img-nwk-cover-110613-issue_195939165348.jpg
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:44:03pm |
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Gus Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:44:12pm |
Anywho. If I were to look at this image impartially I would say they didn't do a very good job in the image selection department. Professionally speaking it's not a very good composition and the subject post is all wrong. You wouldn't want to give this photo to someone paying for a portrait shoot let alone the cover of a magazine.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:44:39pm |
re: #111 The Yankee
I remember when the right with nuts over the picture of Sarah Palin that I saw absolutely nothing wrong with. I think this is a case of the boy who cried wolf more so then anything else.
re: #117 marjoriemoon
Remember cute and sexy Sarah on Newsweek?
Yeah, listen to them shriek about the one marjoriemoon posted. [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
So stupid....that was a great pic that showed natural beauty but one of those ignorant socon idiots at Fox called it humiliating to women....because a photo WASN'T photoshopped.
Rotfl!!
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sod Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:44:42pm |
re: #127 darthstar
Glad I wasn't drinking anything for that one. That was spew-worthy.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:45:07pm |
re: #125 The Shadow Do
Good pic. She looks enthusiastic.
She looks like a spokesperson for meth.
"When I'm home I only get meth from Oscar...Minnesota's number one connection for go-fast powder!"
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What, me worry? Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:45:07pm |
re: #127 darthstar
At least Romney gets fair treatment.
Image: img-nwk-cover-110613-issue_195939165348.jpg
Now that's pretty messed up.
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allegro Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:45:17pm |
re: #129 Gus 802
Anywho. If I were to look at this image impartially I would say they didn't do a very good job in the image selection department. Professionally speaking it's not a very good composition and the subject post is all wrong. You wouldn't want to give this photo to someone paying for a portrait shoot let alone the cover of a magazine.
I agree that it isn't the most flattering. It is not, however, sexist.
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The Yankee Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:45:26pm |
What are the chances of her winning the primary and to celebrate and show off her military desires she straps on a tank helmet and hops in an M-1 Abrams Tank?
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blueraven Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:45:27pm |
re: #83 allegro
Sexism is saying that a woman isn't qualified to do the job because she is a woman regardless of the capabilities she has exhibited that demonstrate she is as qualified as any man. A picture is not sexist unless it is highlighting a woman's gender identifying features in a sexually objectifying manner. This photo does neither.
I dont know about that. No matter if we like it or not, looks matter more when it is a woman. This photo takes an attractive woman and shows her at her worst. But this applies to men too. I dont like it when they use photos of Obama looking skyward (in some candid shot) and make it look like he has his nose up in the air and is being "uppity"
Same principle at work here.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:45:35pm |
re: #119 Dark_Falcon
Newsweek has taken a hard lurch to the left in recent months.
Nah, Newsweek is just coattailing Sarah Palin to sell magazines.
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jaunte Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:45:41pm |
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Kragar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:45:42pm |
re: #128 goddamnedfrank
"Penis goes where?!?!"
"I thought we were friends... friends... coffee... how could you do a thing like that? Like that? Like that? Like that? Friends... friends... "
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:46:07pm |
re: #129 Gus 802
Anywho. If I were to look at this image impartially I would say they didn't do a very good job in the image selection department. Professionally speaking it's not a very good composition and the subject post is all wrong. You wouldn't want to give this photo to someone paying for a portrait shoot let alone the cover of a magazine.
If I'd turned this image in for any assignment at Brooks they'd have sent me to see a psychiatrist.
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allegro Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:46:17pm |
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albusteve Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:46:25pm |
I didn't even despise Ted Kennedy as much as I loath Bachmann...truly a disgusting individual
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Interesting Times Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:46:25pm |
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The Shadow Do Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:46:28pm |
re: #127 darthstar
At least Romney gets fair treatment.
Image: img-nwk-cover-110613-issue_195939165348.jpg
Especially appreciate the white socks.
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theheat Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:46:32pm |
re: #108 allegro
Of all the pictures of Hillary, actually it's one of the more flattering ones. She isn't a thing of beauty - no - but I've grown to really like her. I think she'd make a damn fine POTUS, actually.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:47:15pm |
re: #146 theheat
Of all the pictures of Hillary, actually it's one of the more flattering ones. She isn't a thing of beauty - no - but I've grown to really like her. I think she'd make a damn fine POTUS, actually.
2016 is just around the corner...she'll be a good president.
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palomino Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:47:31pm |
re: #133 darthstar
She looks like a spokesperson for meth.
"When I'm home I only get meth from Oscar...Minnesota's number one connection for go-fast powder!"
Seriously the last time I saw anyone who looked that bug eyed crazy they actually were on crystal meth.
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What, me worry? Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:47:44pm |
re: #131 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Yeah, listen to them shriek about the one marjoriemoon posted. [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
So stupid...that was a great pic that showed natural beauty but one of those ignorant socon idiots at Fox called it humiliating to women...because a photo WASN'T photoshopped.
Rotfl!!
They should be thankful they didn't make her dance around with a bible.
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makeitstop Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:48:14pm |
Compare that Newsweek cover to the 'Bachmann for President' ad that appears at the top of the comments on this page.
That ad has been Photoshopped within an inch of its miserable life, and that's an official image.
She's just sore that they didn't let her Photoshop guy get his hands on it and airbrush out every wrinkle.
Isn't vanity one of the Seven Deadly Sins?
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allegro Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:48:14pm |
re: #137 blueraven
I dont know about that. No matter if we like it or not, looks matter more when it is a woman. This photo takes an attractive woman and shows her at her worst. But this applies to men too. I dont like it when they use photos of Obama looking skyward (in some candid shot) and make it look like he has his nose up in the air and is being "uppity"
Same principle at work here.
I don't disagree at all. I'm just saying that it isn't sexist. It's politics.
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The Yankee Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:48:15pm |
re: #131 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Yeah, listen to them shriek about the one marjoriemoon posted. [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
So stupid...that was a great pic that showed natural beauty but one of those ignorant socon idiots at Fox called it humiliating to women...because a photo WASN'T photoshopped.
Rotfl!!
If you really want to make someone look bad it is easy just take a still shot of a video of someone talking and blow it up. The Daily Show does this all the time.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:48:22pm |
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palomino Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:48:22pm |
re: #143 albusteve
I didn't even despise Ted Kennedy as much as I loath Bachmann...truly a disgusting individual
Well, he's dead. She's more like, uh, un-dead.
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theheat Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:49:54pm |
re: #154 palomino
Well, he's dead. She's more like, uh, un-dead.
A zombie. A zombie with terrible, terrible drawn-on eyebrows. The cheesiest B movie zombies would have better eyebrows.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:50:00pm |
re: #137 blueraven
I dont like it when they use photos of Obama looking skyward (in some candid shot) and make it look like he has his nose up in the air and is being "uppity"
Oh I love sending those pictures to those dumb bigots.
Anyone they can't cram into their ignorant stereotype of welfare mothers on crack, or drug-dealing, cop-killing pimps is uppity. Good pics of Obama won't alter their view so I enjoy rubbing their noses in it.
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allegro Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:50:58pm |
re: #153 Slumbering Behemoth
What, "hetero" not short enough for you?
Lay-Zee
Stop with the discriminating short jokes. I'll sue.
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Kragar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:52:01pm |
I think its obvious that what America needs now is a Presidential candidate that whines "STOP MAKING FUN OF ME" whenever a member of the press casts them in an unflattering light.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:54:36pm |
re: #157 allegro
How many short people does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
/GGT, where are you?
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Atlas Fails Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:54:46pm |
re: #131 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
The only silver lining to Bachmann's rise to prominence is that it has led to Palin's rapid decline. I love watching that chucklehead try to stay relevant on Fox with her increasingly outrageous claims like "if the Tea Party wuz terrorists Obama would be our best pal, derp!" She might as well get a tattoo on her forehead that says PAY ATTENTION TO ME! Sorry Sarah, but the 'baggers have deserted you for an equally crazy but slightly less idiotic model. Maybe you could apply for a spot on "I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here."
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Digital Display Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:54:54pm |
re: #143 albusteve
I didn't even despise Ted Kennedy as much as I loath Bachmann...truly a disgusting individual
Ted was a tragic American politician from Camelot..Both Brothers assassinated and barely holding on with a bottle of Booze being a member of the most powerful families in the country...I felt sorry for him..Personally and professionally...
How many nights do you think he passed out at the bar thinking he had to live up to being the Lion of the Senate? A sad figure...RIP Teddy
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makeitstop Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:55:03pm |
re: #158 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I think its obvious that what America needs now is a Presidential candidate that whines "STOP MAKING FUN OF ME" whenever a member of the press casts them in an unflattering light.
Word.
Maybe she'll just declare taking pictures of her 'off-limits' like she has every other aspect of her campaign.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:55:23pm |
re: #158 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I think its obvious that what America needs now is a Presidential candidate that whines "STOP MAKING FUN OF ME" whenever a member of the press casts them in an unflattering light.
Yeah, I seriously doubt the Bachmann or Romney campaigns really care (or Palin's when they were doing it with her.) Bad publicity is better than.... and all that.
Their minions, however... ugg.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:55:39pm |
re: #154 palomino
Well, he's dead. She's more like, uh, un-dead.
You gotta love it when people have to go back to dead politicians for what they think is an appropriate comparison. Kennedy was a senator of stature...Bachmann is a back-bench teabagger representative who has provided next to nothing for her constituents. It'd be like comparing General Patton to a Thunder Cat.
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What, me worry? Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:56:20pm |
re: #146 theheat
Of all the pictures of Hillary, actually it's one of the more flattering ones. She isn't a thing of beauty - no - but I've grown to really like her. I think she'd make a damn fine POTUS, actually.
Eeks. I don't think that pic is flattering of her. I also don't think she's an ugly woman. I think she's an average looking person.
Everyone can get caught in a "deer in the headlights" moment, but there are far more flattering pics of her than the She-Devil.
[Link: www.google.com...]
I'd also mention that thyroid eye disease can cause a person to appear wide-eyed, have bulging eyes or even droopy lids, so I'm not a big fan of making fun of anyone's appearance.
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allegro Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:56:34pm |
Wanna hear about a sexist pic in a publication? I was doing a field demo for a group of FWS trappers. In a bayou. Trapping beaver. Wet T-shirt. Caption: "Dr. Xxxxxx demonstrates beaver techniques."
That's sexist.
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Kragar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:56:39pm |
re: #164 darthstar
You gotta love it when people have to go back to dead politicians for what they think is an appropriate comparison. Kennedy was a senator of stature...Bachmann is a back-bench teabagger representative who has provided next to nothing for her constituents. It'd be like comparing General Patton to a Thunder Cat.
Which Thundercat? Original or new series?
/
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darthstar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:57:46pm |
re: #167 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Which Thundercat? Original or new series?
/
They're doing remakes of Thunder Cats?
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austin_blue Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:57:52pm |
re: #148 palomino
Seriously the last time I saw anyone who looked that bug eyed crazy they actually were on crystal meth.
Nah. The teeth are still solid.
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laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:58:35pm |
re: #158 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I think its obvious that what America needs now is a Presidential candidate that whines "STOP MAKING FUN OF ME" whenever a member of the press casts them in an unflattering light.
Yeah, like that stopped Sarah Palin.
/well, she did get on SNL beside Tina Fey.
//even if it was just for the vice-presidential nomination
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Kragar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:58:44pm |
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:00:04pm |
re: #146 theheat
Of all the pictures of Hillary, actually it's one of the more flattering ones. She isn't a thing of beauty - no - but I've grown to really like her. I think she'd make a damn fine POTUS, actually.
I don't get the appeal of ignorance. Bigotry holds no appeal, not much for me to like.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:00:16pm |
re: #171 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Where have you been?
[Video]
You mean to tell me we've gotten shittier at animation in the last 20 years and not better? It's a fucking cartoon! Draw pictures, flutter them by the camera, and you have animation!
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:00:42pm |
Yo Kid A
Nice job, 3 featured pages in a row. Trifecta!
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austin_blue Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:01:07pm |
re: #161 HoosierHoops
Ted was a tragic American politician from Camelot..Both Brothers assassinated and barely holding on with a bottle of Booze being a member of the most powerful families in the country...I felt sorry for him..Personally and professionally...
How many nights do you think he passed out at the bar thinking he had to live up to being the Lion of the Senate? A sad figure...RIP Teddy
Hoops! Hope you and Winston are well. Brutal up there, isn't it? We had a cool 106 here today. Balmy!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:01:48pm |
It's official. Everybody grab a boomstick.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:02:14pm |
re: #173 Killgore Trout
I don't get the appeal of ignorance. Bigotry holds no appeal, not much for me to like.
Well, if you only had enough money for a 12 pack of Keystone, then that ignorance doesn't look so bad after all...
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blueraven Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:02:27pm |
re: #156 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Oh I love sending those pictures to those dumb bigots.
Anyone they can't cram into their ignorant stereotype of welfare mothers on crack, or drug-dealing, cop-killing pimps is uppity. Good pics of Obama won't alter their view so I enjoy rubbing their noses in it.
Perfect! I really like the angry scary black man ones with the deep furrowed brow and menacing eyes!
Still the intent is malicious. Newsweek has hit bottom AFAIC. More tabloid journalism...just what we need. The much better story on Michelle B is By Ryan Lizza in the NewYorker.
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Kragar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:03:34pm |
re: #174 darthstar
You mean to tell me we've gotten shittier at animation in the last 20 years and not better? It's a fucking cartoon! Draw pictures, flutter them by the camera, and you have animation!
Dont get me start...
YES, ULTRAMARINES MOVIE, I'M TALKING TO YOU!
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:05:14pm |
re: #160 Atlas Fails
Yeah I know what you mean. Though my view is somewhat different. People used to always ask me (due to the screenname and such) But! Aren't you CONCERNED about Sarah Palin!?!?!
My answer was/still is, I'm looking at what comes after Sarah Palin. Same for the tea party, The Response (Rick Perry) and the rest of these shrieking banshees in the news. Bachmann is one of those, imo. I don't think she'll get anywhere once the caucuses and primaries start. But Palin did pave the way for her. (Hillary and Condoleeza Rice, too, if we're talking gender.)
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:06:21pm |
re: #138 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Nah, Newsweek is just coattailing Sarah Palin to sell magazines.
Well, that's also true.
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Gus Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:06:40pm |
Bottom line with me? Bad picture. I can see why it would upset the wingnuts. I refuse to delve into the childish lookism bullcrap. I don't care how much I disagree with Bachmann.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:06:56pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:08:23pm |
re: #183 Gus 802
Bottom line with me? Bad picture. I can see why it would upset the wingnuts. I refuse to delve into the childish lookism bullcrap. I don't care how much I disagree with Bachmann.
Good on you, Gus.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:09:59pm |
re: #131 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Yeah, listen to them shriek about the one marjoriemoon posted. [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
So stupid...that was a great pic that showed natural beauty but one of those ignorant socon idiots at Fox called it humiliating to women...because a photo WASN'T photoshopped.
Rotfl!!
Those idiots. The humiliation to women is having all this fake ass "beauty" images thrown at them when the women in the photos don't even look that good. It's the artificial standard of beauty that's the humiliation. I don't want to hear Bachmann crying about a photo of how she really looks being on the cover of a magazine any more than I want to hear it from some Hollywood actress.
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allegro Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:10:03pm |
re: #181 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Yeah I know what you mean. Though my view is somewhat different. People used to always ask me (due to the screenname and such) But! Aren't you CONCERNED about Sarah Palin!?!?!
My answer was/still is, I'm looking at what comes after Sarah Palin. Same for the tea party, The Response (Rick Perry) and the rest of these shrieking banshees in the news. Bachmann is one of those, imo. I don't think she'll get anywhere once the caucuses and primaries start. But Palin did pave the way for her. (Hillary and Condoleeza Rice, too, if we're talking gender.)
Oh, please don't do that. Please do not compare the incredibly capable and accomplished women like Hillary, Condoleeza, and the many others who have battled to break through that ceiling to Sarah and Michele and their sisters in service who would benefit from it as they try to trash the gains for other women.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:10:25pm |
re: #183 Gus 802
I can see why it would upset the wingnuts.
Well, to be fair, it doesn't take very much to upset that lot.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:11:27pm |
re: #174 darthstar
You mean to tell me we've gotten shittier at animation in the last 20 years and not better? It's a fucking cartoon! Draw pictures, flutter them by the camera, and you have animation!
I take it you've never seen The Mighty Hercules?
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Digital Display Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:11:55pm |
re: #176 austin_blue
Hoops! Hope you and Winston are well. Brutal up there, isn't it? We had a cool 106 here today. Balmy!
Hey Brother! It was 110 today.. This is just brutal.. I was telling Charles this Afternoon that I dreaded leaving the office today and walking 2 blocks to my car and trying to cool down the car..You can't even touch the steering wheel for awhile...We had the hottest july in America of all time..We are #1!
[Link: newsok.com...]
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austin_blue Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:13:41pm |
re: #181 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Yeah I know what you mean. Though my view is somewhat different. People used to always ask me (due to the screenname and such) But! Aren't you CONCERNED about Sarah Palin!?!?!
My answer was/still is, I'm looking at what comes after Sarah Palin. Same for the tea party, The Response (Rick Perry) and the rest of these shrieking banshees in the news. Bachmann is one of those, imo. I don't think she'll get anywhere once the caucuses and primaries start. But Palin did pave the way for her. (Hillary and Condoleeza Rice, too, if we're talking gender.)
I think Pointy Boots, with his Response (to what?) this past weekend, has torn the guts out of Palin, Bachmann, and Huckabucka in one fell soup (sic). Brilliant political ploy, in that it marginalizes both them and Huntsman/ Romney (not real Christians! Mormon schismatics!) among his base. He'll announce on Saturday and will be the biggest fish in the Republican sea on Sunday. trust me on this, he's stout.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:16:27pm |
re: #183 Gus 802
High road? I am disappoint.
/
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:17:06pm |
re: #187 allegro
Oh, please don't do that. Please do not compare the incredibly capable and accomplished women like Hillary, Condoleeza, and the many others who have battled to break through that ceiling to Sarah and Michele and their sisters in service who would benefit from it as they try to trash the gains for other women.
The only comparison, really, is historical and sequential. Somebody had to come after Hillary and it wasn't going to come from the Dems because no one is going to try and "primary" Obama no matter how loud the progressive Disappointeds holler about it.
Palin might have had something going for her but the opportunity to line her pockets got the best of her. Personally, I don't think she's done exploiting her fans yet, either.
Just some personal thoughts. But now that both parties have had real VP candidates, the lid is off the bottle, now. I'm actually surprised (and pleased) that gender doesn't come up as much as anticipated with Bachmann, and the focus really is more on her ridiculous, ignorant socon teabagger policies.
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austin_blue Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:18:02pm |
re: #191 HoosierHoops
Hey Brother! It was 110 today.. This is just brutal.. I was telling Charles this Afternoon that I dreaded leaving the office today and walking 2 blocks to my car and trying to cool down the car..You can't even touch the steering wheel for awhile...We had the hottest july in America of all time..We are #1!
[Link: newsok.com...]
#1!! Yeah!! Oh, wait...
It's much the same in LA (Lower Austin), in that people only leave their homes to rush to their cars. Sadly, many don't make it, which accounts for the large number of dessicated corpses littering inner city streets
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:18:29pm |
re: #193 austin_blue
I think Pointy Boots, with his Response (to what?) this past weekend, has torn the guts out of Palin, Bachmann, and Huckabucka in one fell soup (sic). Brilliant political ploy, in that it marginalizes both them and Huntsman/ Romney (not real Christians! Mormon schismatics!) among his base. He'll announce on Saturday and will be the biggest fish in the Republican sea on Sunday. trust me on this, he's stout.
I think you're quite right about that.
Right body parts
Right part of the country
Right stance on secession
Right hair :)
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:19:01pm |
Ok, do her eyes tell you anything about what migraine meds she might be taking?
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:19:04pm |
re: #193 austin_blue
I think Pointy Boots, with his Response (to what?) this past weekend, has torn the guts out of Palin, Bachmann, and Huckabucka in one fell soup (sic). Brilliant political ploy, in that it marginalizes both them and Huntsman/ Romney (not real Christians! Mormon schismatics!) among his base. He'll announce on Saturday and will be the biggest fish in the Republican sea on Sunday. trust me on this, he's stout.
I think Perry is going to kill Mitt Romney. I'm down in Texas too and Perry is mean. He's going to savage him. He will go after Mitt being a Mormon, his past social liberalism and his bullshit record on job creation. He's GWB 2.0, only meaner, better looking and minus the "compassionate conservatism" garbage. Perry is the One the They Have Been Waiting For.
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:20:29pm |
The third night of rioting in the UK - it has now spread across London (too many places to mention), up to Nottingham, Liverpool, Manchester and down to Bristol. More cities were being added to the list.
Spent most of the day feeding firsthand/filtered info to a major national news room.
Major electronics stores are primary targets, small businesses with nothing of resale value are also being destroyed and now homes are being targeted to a lesser extent, but now actively targeted.
Nobody knows when or how this will end.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:21:06pm |
re: #197 austin_blue
#1!! Yeah!! Oh, wait...
It's much the same in LA (Lower Austin), in that people only leave their homes to rush to their cars. Sadly, many don't make it, which accounts for the large number of dessicated corpses littering inner city streets
It rained for more than 3 hours in Chicagoland today.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:21:28pm |
OMG!
Frog on the patio again!
I am assured it is not the same frog.
Why do frogs like our patio?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:21:56pm |
re: #200 moderatelyradicalliberal
I think Perry is going to kill Mitt Romney. I'm down in Texas too and Perry is mean. He's going to savage him. He will go after Mitt being a Mormon, his past social liberalism and his bullshit record on job creation. He's GWB 2.0, only meaner, better looking and minus the "compassionate conservatism" garbage. Perry is the One the They Have Been Waiting For.
I concur. There's no way in hockeysticks Bachmann can unseat Obama...she can't even get a nomination. Perry is a different animal, and he will steal her thunder + everyone else's right out from under them.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:22:53pm |
re: #201 wozzablog
The third night of rioting in the UK - it has now spread across London (too many places to mention), up to Nottingham, Liverpool, Manchester and down to Bristol. More cities were being added to the list.
Spent most of the day feeding firsthand/filtered info to a major national news room.
Major electronics stores are primary targets, small businesses with nothing of resale value are also being destroyed and now homes are being targeted to a lesser extent, but now actively targeted.
Nobody knows when or how this will end.
I don't know much about the riots, but I think massive social unrest is something that all Western governments need to be giving some thought too. Especially those who think "austerity" for the poor and working class is the way to get out of our economic messes.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:23:07pm |
re: #201 wozzablog
The third night of rioting in the UK - it has now spread across London (too many places to mention), up to Nottingham, Liverpool, Manchester and down to Bristol. More cities were being added to the list.
Spent most of the day feeding firsthand/filtered info to a major national news room.
Major electronics stores are primary targets, small businesses with nothing of resale value are also being destroyed and now homes are being targeted to a lesser extent, but now actively targeted.
Nobody knows when or how this will end.
I think its time for British police to call for outside help. I've been thinking it might be time for New York and a few other US cities with top-flight police to offer the UK some help.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:23:10pm |
Oh, and in Greta's defense, I think she had some sort of palsy on her face which accounts for her weird smile. Car Accident, IIRC.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:23:39pm |
re: #206 Dark_Falcon
I think its time for British police to call for outside help. I've been thinking it might be time for New York and a few other US cities with top-flight police to offer the UK some help.
IIRC, their version of SWAT can carry firearms --no?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:23:42pm |
re: #203 ggt
OMG!
Frog on the patio again!
I am assured it is not the same frog.
Why do frogs like our patio?
Ask Killgore. He's the go-to guy on frogs.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:24:00pm |
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allegro Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:24:15pm |
re: #207 ggt
Oh, and in Greta's defense, I think she had some sort of palsy on her face which accounts for her weird smile. Car Accident, IIRC.
Um, no. That was plastic surgery. No secret.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:25:20pm |
re: #206 Dark_Falcon
I think its time for British police to call for outside help. I've been thinking it might be time for New York and a few other US cities with top-flight police to offer the UK some help.
You have got to be kidding. You think a government calling in foreign police forces to shoot at their own people would be a good idea? I don't think that would work out at all.
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Digital Display Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:25:23pm |
re: #203 ggt
OMG!
Frog on the patio again!
I am assured it is not the same frog.
Why do frogs like our patio?
Sorry Karen Carpenter
Why do frogs
Suddenly appear?
Everytime you are near
Just like me
They long to be
Close to you
Why do toads
Fall down from the sky?
Everytime you walk by
Just like me
They long to be
Close to you
(*) on the day that you were born
The froggies got together and decided
To create a dream come true
So they sprinkled froggiedust in your hair
Of gold and starlight in your eyes of blue
(**) that is why all the frogs in town
Follow you all around
Just like me
They long to be
Close to you
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Kragar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:26:02pm |
re: #208 ggt
IIRC, their version of SWAT can carry firearms --no?
Think they're called Armed Response Units over there, and yes, they carry guns.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:26:08pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:26:30pm |
re: #205 moderatelyradicalliberal
I don't know much about the riots, but I think massive social unrest is something that all Western governments need to be giving some thought too. Especially those who think "austerity" for the poor and working class is the way to get out of our economic messes.
Wrong! They are all just a bunch of cop-killing thugs! Criminals!! Haters!
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:26:32pm |
re: #206 Dark_Falcon
I think its time for British police to call for outside help. I've been thinking it might be time for New York and a few other US cities with top-flight police to offer the UK some help.
I'm agitating for the frnech Gendamerie and Italians to come over and bust some heads along the pavement.
Generally the public here is squeamish about "assertive" policing - but it has come to a point now that the Police will be given a "pass" by the public if any rioter happens to run into a police truncheon one time to many.
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Big Steve Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:26:53pm |
re: #203 ggt
Because either or a combination:
1. Patio lights attract bugs, so it is the dinner bell.
2. Predators (owls, snakes, and such)won't come up on a patio
3. The patio has an echo effect. Frog and toads croak to attract a mate and any echo extends their "hotness" to female frogs or toads.
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Kragar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:27:34pm |
re: #219 Big Steve
Because either or a combination:
1. Patio lights attract bugs, so it is the dinner bell.
2. Predators (owls, snakes, and such)won't come up on a patio
3. The patio has an echo effect. Frog and toads croak to attract a mate and any echo extends their "hotness" to female frogs or toads.
4) Demonic possession
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:27:42pm |
re: #212 moderatelyradicalliberal
You have got to be kidding. You think a government calling in foreign police forces to shoot at their own people would be a good idea? I don't think that would work out at all.
Riot control is not synonymous with shooting people. And I think it would send a message to the rioters: You cannot win anything, since we have more than enough to deal with you. Either stop your actions and go home or you'll be beaten down and locked up.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:28:26pm |
re: #212 moderatelyradicalliberal
You have got to be kidding. You think a government calling in foreign police forces to shoot at their own people would be a good idea? I don't think that would work out at all.
Lol next time there's a god-forbid riot in Chicago, someone call in the French. We'll see how DF likes that idea.
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allegro Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:28:27pm |
re: #216 moderatelyradicalliberal
Plastic surgery gone bad.
It certainly changed her appearance pretty dramatically. I get the same thought when I see my cousin on TV (a name well known to many of you) and still think "Whoa!" because she looks so different from before.
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makeitstop Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:28:31pm |
The coming RWNJ meme regarding this photo - it was Photoshopped to make her look more crazy.
I just saw it in the comments over at the Village Voice site. Bet you ten bucks they're all doing heat maps and superduper close-ups of her eyes tomorrow in order to prove their 'point.'
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Kragar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:29:31pm |
re: #224 makeitstop
The coming RWNJ meme regarding this photo - it was Photoshopped to make her look more crazy.
I just saw it in the comments over at the Village Voice site. Bet you ten bucks they're all doing heat maps and superduper close-ups of her eyes tomorrow in order to prove their 'point.'
Bitches love heat maps...
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:29:41pm |
re: #218 wozzablog
I'm agitating for the frnech Gendamerie and Italians to come over and bust some heads along the pavement.
Generally the public here is squeamish about "assertive" policing - but it has come to a point now that the Police will be given a "pass" by the public if any rioter happens to run into a police truncheon one time to many.
The French CRS are good at riot control. They'd be a good force to send. And Sarkozy has the right mindset about crime, so he will allow the uncompromising action needed to quell the riots.
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makeitstop Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:29:47pm |
re: #221 Dark_Falcon
Riot control is not synonymous with shooting people. And I think it would send a message to the rioters: You cannot win anything, since we have more than enough to deal with you. Either stop your actions and go home or you'll be beaten down and locked up.
Jurisdiction - NYPD does not have it in London.
Sheesh.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:29:47pm |
re: #221 Dark_Falcon
Riot control is not synonymous with shooting people. And I think it would send a message to the rioters: You cannot win anything, since we have more than enough to deal with you. Either stop your actions and go home or you'll be beaten down and locked up.
Yeah, but Britain needs to man up and do it themselves, not call in outside forces. If they have to outsource to handle this, they have bigger problems than the rioters.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:29:50pm |
re: #221 Dark_Falcon
Riot control is not synonymous with shooting people. And I think it would send a message to the rioters: You cannot win anything, since we have more than enough to deal with you. Either stop your actions and go home or you'll be beaten down and locked up.
Police state mentality. Police brutality, and the threat of police brutality, is not a deterrent to crime.
Neither is more police brutality on top of that.
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:30:34pm |
Exxcellent news though, The Turkish and Asian communities are standing up to the riots in parts of London. They are doing more than the BNP/EDL ever would.
Kebab shop owners are chasing looters through hackney with meat cleavers and skewers.
400+ asian people are guarding the Green Street area of east london.
The strongest communities in the UK are those from outside. It makes me oddly proud to be British that the people who are not even from here are the ones standing up to the british rioters.
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Atlas Fails Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:30:40pm |
re: #204 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I don't know about Bachmann's chances. If the economy gets as bad as the Tea Baggers are trying to make it, the fence-sitters may catch anti-incumbent fever.
Perry is slime, but I don't think he'll go after Mitt's record, since he is a former Democrat himself (I think.) I could totally see him going Mormon-bashing though, ala W's ugly rumors about McCain's black daughter in South Carolina in 2000.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:30:57pm |
re: #227 makeitstop
Jurisdiction - NYPD does not have it in London.
Sheesh.
Private mobile world police! They stop CRIME!!
rotfl
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:32:00pm |
re: #229 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Police state mentality. Police brutality, and the threat of police brutality, is not a deterrent to crime.
Neither is more police brutality on top of that.
We are not talking about "crime". The situation here is mass looting and arson. Fear of the police and fear of consequence has broken down. There need to be immediate consequences.
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Petero1818 Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:32:32pm |
re: #46 wee fury
It is an unflattering picture of an attractive woman. No reason to use this photo, except for spite.
Disagree completely. A picture should capture as much of a subject as it can. For years people have spoken about the vacant gaze of this woman, and this picture I think captures it perfectly. As long as they didn't alter the eyes, I am totally fine with it.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:32:34pm |
re: #231 Atlas Fails
I don't know about Bachmann's chances. If the economy gets as bad as the Tea Baggers are trying to make it, the fence-sitters may catch anti-incumbent fever.
Perry is slime, but I don't think he'll go after Mitt's record, since he is a former Democrat himself (I think.) I could totally see him going Mormon-bashing though, ala W's ugly rumors about McCain's black daughter in South Carolina in 2000.
I don't know. Perry may be a former Democrat but Romney is worse- a former social liberal. I do agree with the religious attacks though. Perry seems just sleazy enough to do that.
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Kragar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:32:50pm |
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allegro Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:32:56pm |
re: #231 Atlas Fails
I don't know about Bachmann's chances. If the economy gets as bad as the Tea Baggers are trying to make it, the fence-sitters may catch anti-incumbent fever.
Perry is slime, but I don't think he'll go after Mitt's record, since he is a former Democrat himself (I think.) I could totally see him going Mormon-bashing though, ala W's ugly rumors about McCain's black daughter in South Carolina in 2000.
There are no depths too low for Perry if he thought there was benefit for him. With him running be prepared for the ugliest election season in history.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:32:57pm |
re: #217 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Wrong! They are all just a bunch of cop-killing thugs! Criminals!! Haters!
You are sarcastic, but yes most of them are just that.
In the UK they get better "dole" money than in the US if unemployed and if you think that thugs who loot stores and burn cars and building at random are anything but opportunistic thugs, you live in a rarefied fantasy world.
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laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:33:03pm |
re: #230 wozzablog
Kebab shop owners are chasing looters through hackney with meat cleavers and skewers.
"That's not a knife, THIS is a knife!"
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:33:46pm |
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:33:58pm |
re: #226 Dark_Falcon
The French CRS are good at riot control. They'd be a good force to send. And Sarkozy has the right mindset about crime, so he will allow the uncompromising action needed to quell the riots.
I can't believe you don't see how badly that would turn out. It may stop the riots, but Britain would pay for it for generations. Especially when the inevitable harm done to non-rioters happened. But, I guess they would just be collateral damage?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:34:18pm |
re: #231 Atlas Fails
I don't know about Bachmann's chances. If the economy gets as bad as the Tea Baggers are trying to make it, the fence-sitters may catch anti-incumbent fever.
Perry is slime, but I don't think he'll go after Mitt's record, since he is a former Democrat himself (I think.) I could totally see him going Mormon-bashing though, ala W's ugly rumors about McCain's black daughter in South Carolina in 2000.
Minor point - Bridget is not black (unless one is in Britain lol), she is from Bangladesh.
You could be right about Mitt's record, but I just don't see him passing up the chance to compare his hard right record to "Romneycare" and same sex marriage. Those are going to be gimmes to any front runner once the campaign season starts.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:34:34pm |
re: #212 moderatelyradicalliberal
You have got to be kidding. You think a government calling in foreign police forces to shoot at their own people would be a good idea? I don't think that would work out at all.
Riot control ideally does not involve shooting people. But I suspect the Brits can manage this one by themselves, although they may ask for analysis support afterward, to review what they could have done better on this round.
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jaunte Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:34:46pm |
re: #224 makeitstop
Bet you ten bucks they're all doing heat maps and superduper close-ups of her eyes tomorrow in order to prove their 'point.'
Look closely:
Image: hypnotic.jpg
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laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:34:49pm |
re: #233 wozzablog
We are not talking about "crime". The situation here is mass looting and arson. Fear of the police and fear of consequence has broken down. There need to be immediate consequences.
Bring in the Royal Armed Forces.
Strength in Unity, Unity through Faith.
/i know it was purity instead of unity in the graphic novel
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:35:38pm |
re: #222 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Lol next time there's a god-forbid riot in Chicago, someone call in the French. We'll see how DF likes that idea.
Maybe Canadians.
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:36:00pm |
re: #205 moderatelyradicalliberal
I don't know much about the riots, but I think massive social unrest is something that all Western governments need to be giving some thought too. Especially those who think "austerity" for the poor and working class is the way to get out of our economic messes.
I would qualify that though - i would wager that the majority of rioters and looters - looters particularly have no social education or awareness.
In general there will be more strikes and unrest - but this is just mass brawling and looting without reason.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:36:09pm |
re: #244 jaunte
I hate you now. :[
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HappyWarrior Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:36:09pm |
re: #242 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Minor point - Bridget is not black (unless one is in Britain lol), she is from Bangladesh.
You could be right about Mitt's record, but I just don't see him passing up the chance to compare his hard right record to "Romneycare" and same sex marriage. Those are going to be gimmes to any front runner once the campaign season starts.
Those two reasons are exactly why Romney will not get the nomination. I know he came close last time but he's going to be dealing with a much more conservative electorate in the primaries and his opponents will sling more mud than Huckabee and McCain could.
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makeitstop Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:36:27pm |
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laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:36:36pm |
re: #244 jaunte
Look closely:
Image: hypnotic.jpg
...
[curls up in corner, sobbing and trembling uncontrollably]
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:36:52pm |
re: #227 makeitstop
Jurisdiction - NYPD does not have it in London.
Sheesh.
I don't think we're talking about personnel. ARE we talking about personnel?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:36:59pm |
re: #238 Naso Tang
You are sarcastic, but yes most of them are just that.
In the UK they get better "dole" money than in the US if unemployed and if you think that thugs who loot stores and burn cars and building at random are anything but opportunistic thugs, you live in a rarefied fantasy world.
Lol I haven't said anything about them at all.
That, I leave to the handwringing socon know-it-alls with their own axe to grind about welfare here. To me, the mentality is hilarious.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:37:48pm |
re: #230 wozzablog
Kebab shop owners are chasing looters through hackney with meat cleavers and skewers.
I can't wait to hear Pam's response to that.
The rioters are about to be new-baptized as fighters against jihad.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:37:55pm |
re: #212 moderatelyradicalliberal
You have got to be kidding. You think a government calling in foreign police forces to shoot at their own people would be a good idea? I don't think that would work out at all.
Worked great in Libya ... oh wait.
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makeitstop Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:38:11pm |
re: #252 SanFranciscoZionist
I don't think we're talking about personnel. ARE we talking about personnel?
He's been going on about it all night.
Started in the thread below, musing at how good NYPD was at crowd and riot control.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:38:30pm |
re: #234 Petero1818
Disagree completely. A picture should capture as much of a subject as it can. For years people have spoken about the vacant gaze of this woman, and this picture I think captures it perfectly. As long as they didn't alter the eyes, I am totally fine with it.
It seems odd they didn't try to create something more flattering, but it is, actually, what she seems to look like.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:38:47pm |
re: #243 SanFranciscoZionist
Riot control ideally does not involve shooting people. But I suspect the Brits can manage this one by themselves, although they may ask for analysis support afterward, to review what they could have done better on this round.
Well, that is likely the only major role outside police forces will play. My idea of direct help was largely an attempt to "think outside the box". But after this is over, what the NYPD can do is to offer to train the London Metro Police in anti-gang and riot control tactics.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:38:59pm |
re: #252 SanFranciscoZionist
I don't think we're talking about personnel. ARE we talking about personnel?
I think DF is. Why he thinks that will ever happen or is even a good idea, beats me.
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laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:39:38pm |
re: #255 goddamnedfrank
Worked great in
LibyaBahrain ... oh wait.
FTFY
though NATO could be the rebels' equivalent...
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:40:12pm |
re: #239 laZardo
"That's not a knife, THIS is a knife!"
Reminds me of a scene in a Robert Tannenbaum novel where they have a situation in homicide--a kid tried to hold up a liquor store, and the owner not only took him down, but did what they do back home (don't recall where that was), decapitated the body and put the head in the window to deter other hold-up artists.
The cops were not expecting that.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:40:46pm |
re: #234 Petero1818
Disagree completely. A picture should capture as much of a subject as it can. For years people have spoken about the vacant gaze of this woman, and this picture I think captures it perfectly. As long as they didn't alter the eyes, I am totally fine with it.
It's also another way for Newsweek to keep their name in the news.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:41:16pm |
re: #245 laZardo
Bring in the Royal Armed Forces.
Strength in Unity, Unity through Faith.
/i know it was purity instead of unity in the graphic novel
That was a graphic novel, not the real world. It was also indifferent to the realities of the Cold War and it oozed hate for the USA, as well as conservatives in general.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:41:17pm |
re: #256 makeitstop
Perhaps, if the Brits were so inclined, it wouldn't hurt to learn some riot control methods from the NYPD. We could do a foreign exchange student program.
But yeah, actual foreign law enforcement helping in a actual riot? Not a good idea.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:41:34pm |
re: #231 Atlas Fails
I don't know about Bachmann's chances. If the economy gets as bad as the Tea Baggers are trying to make it, the fence-sitters may catch anti-incumbent fever.
Perry is slime, but I don't think he'll go after Mitt's record, since he is a former Democrat himself (I think.) I could totally see him going Mormon-bashing though, ala W's ugly rumors about McCain's black daughter in South Carolina in 2000.
Are you from Texas? Perry is one mean ass motherfucker and he was a Democrat 20 years ago, like most white Texans. That shit's over. He may have been a Democrat, but he never claimed to be pro-choice, claimed to be to left of Ted Kennedy or passed a universal health care law that paid for abortions. And he already took his shot at Mitt Romney with that wholly evangelical prayer rally. He will go after it all. Perry has serious weakness that Obama will easily exploit if Perry is the nominee, but Mitt's got problems. Perry will not shrink from going after Mitt on everything as soon as he gets the chance. He ain't Tim Pawlenty.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:41:54pm |
re: #260 laZardo
FTFY
though NATO could be the rebels' equivalent...
Yeah and everybody is staying out of Syria, I've noticed. Meanwhile, their government kills more and more of its own people.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:42:49pm |
re: #252 SanFranciscoZionist
I don't think we're talking about personnel. ARE we talking about personnel?
I was suggesting it as an option. I didn't think it would actually be adopted.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:43:00pm |
re: #260 laZardo
FTFY
though NATO could be the rebels' equivalent...
Q'Daffi brought in tons of foreign fighters to try and squash the rebels, and was within hours of performing a curettement of Benghazi before NATO got involved. But you're right about Bahrain.
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laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:43:31pm |
re: #263 Dark_Falcon
That was a graphic novel, not the real world. It was also indifferent to the realities of the Cold War and it oozed hate for the USA, as well as conservatives in general.
For the record, Alan Moore hates everything, especially hair products. But I digress.
In terms of these kind of riots, you can't fight fire with even bigger fire.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:44:10pm |
re: #265 moderatelyradicalliberal
Are you from Texas? Perry is one mean ass motherfucker and he was a Democrat 20 years ago, like most white Texans.
True!!! SEE! We left Democrat Party for the Party of Lincoln and the Confederate Flag oh wait...
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laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:44:21pm |
re: #266 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Yeah and everybody is staying out of Syria, I've noticed. Meanwhile, their government kills more and more of its own people.
Russia has a naval base in Tartus. The only way NATO would even think of getting involved is if the Syrians actually make good on their threats to raid the Turkish refugee camps.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:44:24pm |
re: #269 laZardo
Fight fire with rubber bullets, tear gas, and water cannons.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:44:33pm |
re: #242 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Minor point - Bridget is not black (unless one is in Britain lol), she is from Bangladesh.
IIRC, the smear campaign against McCain, however, suggested that she was African-American, and the daughter of an, er, indiscretion of his.
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simoom Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:45:43pm |
From a couple weeks ago:
Anchor, Neil Cavuto: "I would welcome a downgrade, I really would. I think it would be the pain from which we have a deal."John Stossel: "Maybe that would wake people up."
I guess it did cause a lot of pain and it's probably keeping folks up at night... I'm not so sure about it generating any deal though (particularly one that either of these two clowns would like).
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laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:46:31pm |
re: #268 goddamnedfrank
Q'Daffi brought in tons of foreign fighters to try and squash the rebels, and was within hours of performing a curettement of Benghazi before NATO got involved. But you're right about Bahrain.
Didn't Ahmed Younis defect sometime between receiving those orders and NATO's involvement?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:46:38pm |
re: #256 makeitstop
He's been going on about it all night.
Started in the thread below, musing at how good NYPD was at crowd and riot control.
Well, personnel is out of the question, but I expect there's a lot of other sorts of support back and forth between big city departments, internationally.
I note with some pride that my old neighborhood in London is having no trouble at all. Probably because North Finchley is so damn boring that no one has the energy to riot.
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:47:13pm |
When i say i want the french and italians over here it's to push the UK police into being more continental this time around in their attitude.
It's a demi-sarc, if you will.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:47:23pm |
re: #273 SanFranciscoZionist
IIRC, the smear campaign against McCain, however, suggested that she was African-American, and the daughter of an, er, indiscretion of his.
It did, but she's from Bangladesh. The McCains do not have a Black daughter.
I sure hope they have put away money for her therapy bills.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:47:43pm |
re: #273 SanFranciscoZionist
IIRC, the smear campaign against McCain, however, suggested that she was African-American, and the daughter of an, er, indiscretion of his.
Yep, whole thing was nasty. Hard to believe it happened in 2000. That's the legacy of Lee Atwater for you though.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:48:26pm |
re: #272 Slumbering Behemoth
Fight fire with rubber bullets, tear gas, and water cannons.
Indeed. In the 1980's British police quelled a miner's union attack on a coking (for steel) plant at Orgreave. They used riot squads, rubber bullets and horseback riders to disperse the miners. That sort of resolute action what is needed now.
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:48:31pm |
re: #276 SanFranciscoZionist
I note with some pride that my old neighborhood in London is having no trouble at all. Probably because North Finchley is so damn boring that no one has the energy to riot.
The more affluent areas are not suffering.
The poor are rioting in and torching their own neighbourhoods.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:48:33pm |
re: #258 Dark_Falcon
Well, that is likely the only major role outside police forces will play. My idea of direct help was largely an attempt to "think outside the box". But after this is over, what the NYPD can do is to offer to train the London Metro Police in anti-gang and riot control tactics.
I'm sure they'll offer whatever support Metro thinks they need.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:48:40pm |
re: #279 HappyWarrior
Hard to believe it happened in 2000.
Not really. The crap the tea party has pulled in the past 2 years tell why something like that works.
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Atlas Fails Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:48:43pm |
re: #265 moderatelyradicalliberal
I'm not from Texas, thank God. Although my state did give the country the Frothy Mix himself, we were at least sane enough to vote him out.
The only reason I wonder about Perry's willingness to attack Romney's record is that it would open him up to similar criticism from other candidates. Didn't Perry endorse Al Gore? I thought I read that somewhere. If true, that could be campaign gold for Bachmann.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:49:02pm |
re: #262 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
It's also another way for Newsweek to keep their name in the news.
It won't help. Newsweek is doomed.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:49:13pm |
Watching CNN-This is the report-
What if Iran supplied the weapon or personnel to Afghanistan that shot down our chopper?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:49:37pm |
re: #280 Dark_Falcon
Indeed. In the 1980's British police quelled a miner's union attack on a coking (for steel) plant at Orgreave. They used riot squads, rubber bullets and horseback riders to disperse the miners. That sort of resolute action what is needed now.
Trigger-happy police state mentality.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:49:47pm |
re: #267 Dark_Falcon
I was suggesting it as an option. I didn't think it would actually be adopted.
Doubt they need it, and it's legally totally unfeasible. Not to mention, a PR fiasco.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:50:51pm |
re: #283 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Not really. The crap the tea party has pulled in the past 2 years tell why something like that works.
True that. Guess the amazing thing is how McCain embraced Bush after that. There's mudslinging and then there's not only slandering your daughter but the racist crap aspect of it.
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austin_blue Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:50:54pm |
re: #201 wozzablog
The third night of rioting in the UK - it has now spread across London (too many places to mention), up to Nottingham, Liverpool, Manchester and down to Bristol. More cities were being added to the list.
Spent most of the day feeding firsthand/filtered info to a major national news room.
Major electronics stores are primary targets, small businesses with nothing of resale value are also being destroyed and now homes are being targeted to a lesser extent, but now actively targeted.
Nobody knows when or how this will end.
This is not an Islamic uprising. It is a poor, unemployed uprising.
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laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:51:06pm |
re: #281 wozzablog
The more affluent areas are not suffering.
The poor are rioting in and torching their own neighbourhoods.
What's needed are stronger batons!
/
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:51:23pm |
re: #278 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
It did, but she's from Bangladesh. The McCains do not have a Black daughter.
I sure hope they have put away money for her therapy bills.
From what I've heard, they tried to protect her from the whole thing, but she got on the Internet...Megan sounds very angry when she talks about it. I don't blame her.
On a related note, McCain's account of how the adoption happened is adorable.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:51:39pm |
re: #284 Atlas Fails
I'm not from Texas, thank God. Although my state did give the country the Frothy Mix himself, we were at least sane enough to vote him out.
Hey that's ok. My state graced the world with Nixon and Reagan.
Neither would have a chance on a 2012 Repub ticket...they might as well be Pelosi, and Obama.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:52:27pm |
re: #286 Rightwingconspirator
Watching CNN-This is the report-
What if Iran supplied the weapon or personnel to Afghanistan that shot down our chopper?
Well, what if? Do we have reason to think they did?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:52:59pm |
re: #290 austin_blue
This is not an Islamic uprising. It is a poor, unemployed uprising.
Let me guess who says it's an Islamic uprising.
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makeitstop Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:53:48pm |
re: #264 Slumbering Behemoth
Perhaps, if the Brits were so inclined, it wouldn't hurt to learn some riot control methods from the NYPD. We could do a foreign exchange student program.
But yeah, actual foreign law enforcement helping in a actual riot? Not a good idea.
IIRC, NYPD gave Scotland Yard some pointers in disaster response after 9/11.
But sending NY's Finest to duke it out with a bunch of yobbos? Nah.
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:53:58pm |
I want to make this clear -
Previous British squeamishness about use of the polices heavy handed tactics comes from
The Miners Strikes
The Poll Tax Riots
Climate Change Demonstrations
Student Fees Demonstrations.
All public disturbances that were about something intangible - the right to work and associate, unfair taxation, saving the planet or social mobility.
This thing is not like the others - there is no "there" there. Looting's and areas are being targeted over social media on the richness of consumer goods pickings.
This is about abject and wanton criminality, no more, no less.
Those still on the streets need to learn there are consequences.
Civil disobedience in pursuit of a cause is respected here, grudgingly - mass lootings in pursuit of 42" televisions are not.
The public are tired of it and want to see all available force brought to bear to end this.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:54:07pm |
86 freakin' comments
I wasn't gone that long.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:54:37pm |
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:55:09pm |
re: #290 austin_blue
This is not an Islamic uprising. It is a poor, unemployed uprising.
It really isn't.
If you talk to the average looter on the street about "Social Change" he will think you mean Facebook tokens.
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austin_blue Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:55:14pm |
re: #295 SanFranciscoZionist
Let me guess who says it's an Islamic uprising.
Murdoch. The Dark Lord.
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Digital Display Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:55:23pm |
Well stuck in a hellish heatwave..Think I'll do some voting pages this week..
It should be fun..
1. If you are a guy..What is your favorite chick flick that you can stand watching without secretly wanting to drive an ice pick in your eye?
The Devil wears Prada? PS I love you? Be brave..Vote
2. What movie did your kids or grandkids drag you too that was totally painful and really sucked...But those little tykes had a gleam in their eye for gawd knows what reason? Chipmonks at a Christmas showing? Shrek 3? (man that really sucked)..
3. You can't even do a worst Sfi-Fi movie..There are just millions of crappy movies out there.
4. Best Video game you have played this year and why...
Yea...Stuck inside..I'll be doing some fun voting pages..
Give me some ideas Lizards...You know.. Vote on the next high profile politician caught in a 3 way sex scandal..I mean..Weiner..Who knew?
5. How many days till we send special forces to Standards and Poor's HQ to convince them to upgrade America? USA!
The LGF Voting page on any topic...mmmmm
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:55:29pm |
re: #297 wozzablog
I want to make this clear -
Previous British squeamishness about use of the polices heavy handed tactics comes from
The Miners Strikes
The Poll Tax Riots
Climate Change Demonstrations
Student Fees Demonstrations.All public disturbances that were about something intangible - the right to work and associate, unfair taxation, saving the planet or social mobility.
This thing is not like the others - there is no "there" there. Looting's and areas are being targeted over social media on the richness of consumer goods pickings.
This is about abject and wanton criminality, no more, no less.
Those still on the streets need to learn there are consequences.
Civil disobedience in pursuit of a cause is respected here, grudgingly - mass lootings in pursuit of 42" televisions are not.
The public are tired of it and want to see all available force brought to bear to end this.
Whereabouts are you, if I may ask over the Internet?
(If I may not ask, just tell me to shove off.)
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makeitstop Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:56:01pm |
re: #279 HappyWarrior
Yep, whole thing was nasty. Hard to believe it happened in 2000. That's the legacy of Lee Atwater for you though.
That was one of Karl Rove's greatest hits.
Sleazy bastard.
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laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:56:24pm |
re: #297 wozzablog
The British government needs to learn that these are the consequences for keeping their people out in the cold for so long.
I'm surprised nobody's been caught on camera with a Guy Fawkes mask there yet.
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Atlas Fails Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:56:53pm |
re: #292 SanFranciscoZionist
From what I've heard, they tried to protect her from the whole thing, but she got on the Internet...Megan sounds very angry when she talks about it. I don't blame her.
On a related note, McCain's account of how the adoption happened is adorable.
Nothing was too low for Rove. Whether he was stirring up racists in SC, swiftboating a decorated Vietnam vet despite the fact that "his guy" was a draft-dodging rich kid, or getting the bigots to come out in force in Ohio by getting a referendum on marriage equality on the presidential ballot. Values voters are the worst.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:56:59pm |
re: #302 austin_blue
Murdoch. The Dark Lord.
One of the Orthodox blogs I read had some footage of Chasidim out and about in the riots in Tottenham. One of the British readers has been trying to explain about the whole 'Yid Army' thing, but it's confusing the hell out of the American readers.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:57:09pm |
re: #219 Big Steve
Because either or a combination:
1. Patio lights attract bugs, so it is the dinner bell.
2. Predators (owls, snakes, and such)won't come up on a patio
3. The patio has an echo effect. Frog and toads croak to attract a mate and any echo extends their "hotness" to female frogs or toads.
The only predators are humans and dogs--both of which come to the patio.
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makeitstop Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:57:31pm |
re: #286 Rightwingconspirator
Watching CNN-This is the report-
What if Iran supplied the weapon or personnel to Afghanistan that shot down our chopper?
Oy.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:57:48pm |
re: #305 makeitstop
That was one of Karl Rove's greatest hits.
Sleazy bastard.
Yep. Worked too. Just another reason that the Republican Party has serious problems with minority voters. Such a damn shame since this is the party of Lincoln after all but you'd never know it with all the neo-confederate crap embraced in recent years.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:58:11pm |
re: #287 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Trigger-happy police state mentality.
Bullshit. The miners' leaders had they intended to attack and shut down a lawful place of business. The police acted to stop them. The CMU (commercial Miners Union) represented the nasty sort of unionism that had paralyzed the UK in the 1970's. But under Thatcher things were different. She kept her nerve and ensured that the law and private property were defended. And Britain gained greatly from her strength.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:58:15pm |
re: #275 laZardo
Didn't Ahmed Younis defect sometime between receiving those orders and NATO's involvement?
What's your point here? Nobody disputes that at the time of NATO involvement the rebels were losing, badly. They'd been routed, pushed back all the way to Benghazi with loyalist forces entering the city. The fact that Younis had defected a month earlier didn't do anything to prevent an imminent civilian massacre, NATO did.
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:58:16pm |
re: #306 laZardo
The British government needs to learn that these are the consequences for keeping their people out in the cold for so long.
I'm surprised nobody's been caught on camera with a Guy Fawkes mask there yet.
Seriously - no.
We have socially and politically aware demonstrations on many issues. They are not this.
This is kids who want free stuff realising the police can not stop them through weight of numbers alone.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Aug 8, 2011 8:58:48pm |
re: #307 Atlas Fails
Nothing was too low for Rove. Whether he was stirring up racists in SC, swiftboating a decorated Vietnam vet despite the fact that "his guy" was a draft-dodging rich kid, or getting the bigots to come out in force in Ohio by getting a referendum on marriage equality on the presidential ballot. Values voters are the worst.
Fucking A.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:01:24pm |
re: #297 wozzablog
I want to make this clear -
Previous British squeamishness about use of the polices heavy handed tactics comes from
The Miners Strikes
The Poll Tax Riots
Climate Change Demonstrations
Student Fees Demonstrations.All public disturbances that were about something intangible - the right to work and associate, unfair taxation, saving the planet or social mobility.
This thing is not like the others - there is no "there" there. Looting's and areas are being targeted over social media on the richness of consumer goods pickings.
This is about abject and wanton criminality, no more, no less.
Those still on the streets need to learn there are consequences.
Civil disobedience in pursuit of a cause is respected here, grudgingly - mass lootings in pursuit of 42" televisions are not.
The public are tired of it and want to see all available force brought to bear to end this.
Quoted For Truth.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:01:39pm |
re: #312 Dark_Falcon
Bullshit. The miners' leaders had they intended to attack and shut down a lawful place of business. The police acted to stop them. The CMU (commercial Miners Union) represented the nasty sort of unionism that had paralyzed the UK in the 1970's. But under Thatcher things were different. She kept her nerve and ensured that the law and private property were defended. And Britain gained greatly from her strength.
UNION THUGS!!! Eeeeeee
Authoritarian mentality.
Thatcher was a lunatic running the asylum. But I do love reading hagiographies of her. They're pretty funny.
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jaunte Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:02:06pm |
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Digital Display Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:02:59pm |
Huhhah! There is thunder happening! That 30% rain just may start here in a minute.. Oklahoma thunder doesn't mess around...You know it is here...
Looks powerful...Hope we get lots of rain...Switching to a local station for updates..
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:03:01pm |
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:03:03pm |
re: #308 SanFranciscoZionist
One of the Orthodox blogs I read had some footage of Chasidim out and about in the riots in Tottenham. One of the British readers has been trying to explain about the whole 'Yid Army' thing, but it's confusing the hell out of the American readers.
I'm an Arsenal FC fan, so i won't even go there. But it's related to the supporters of the Tottenham Hotspur FC.
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austin_blue Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:03:24pm |
re: #308 SanFranciscoZionist
One of the Orthodox blogs I read had some footage of Chasidim out and about in the riots in Tottenham. One of the British readers has been trying to explain about the whole 'Yid Army' thing, but it's confusing the hell out of the American readers.
The Jews are getting whipsawed by both sides. All that matters is that they are having their storefronts firebombed.
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Kragar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:03:32pm |
re: #303 HoosierHoops
Well stuck in a hellish heatwave..Think I'll do some voting pages this week..
It should be fun..
1. If you are a guy..What is your favorite chick flick that you can stand watching without secretly wanting to drive an ice pick in your eye?
The Devil wears Prada? PS I love you? Be brave..Vote
2. What movie did your kids or grandkids drag you too that was totally painful and really sucked...But those little tykes had a gleam in their eye for gawd knows what reason? Chipmonks at a Christmas showing? Shrek 3? (man that really sucked)..
3. You can't even do a worst Sfi-Fi movie..There are just millions of crappy movies out there.
4. Best Video game you have played this year and why...
Yea...Stuck inside..I'll be doing some fun voting pages..
Give me some ideas Lizards...You know.. Vote on the next high profile politician caught in a 3 way sex scandal..I mean..Weiner..Who knew?
5. How many days till we send special forces to Standards and Poor's HQ to convince them to upgrade America? USA!
The LGF Voting page on any topic...mmm
1) Luckily, I have trained my daughters properly, so they consider "The Thing" and "Yojimbo" as chick flicks.
2) Transformers 3
3) Battlefield Earth
4) Fallout New Vegas because its badass
5) never, because we would never be willing to fight the Elite Illuminati High Guards
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:03:41pm |
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laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:04:14pm |
re: #313 goddamnedfrank
What's your point here? Nobody disputes that at the time of NATO involvement the rebels were losing, badly. They'd been routed, pushed back all the way to Benghazi with loyalist forces entering the city. The fact that Younis had defected a month earlier didn't do anything to prevent an imminent civilian massacre, NATO did.
As I've repeatedly stated, I think there are more economic reasons for the intervention than humanitarian ones. And we do not exactly have a good record sponsoring the "rebels" against the "bad guys."
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makeitstop Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:04:27pm |
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Kragar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:05:24pm |
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laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:05:34pm |
re: #314 wozzablog
Which means "the streets will be littered with corpses" is the only solution, apparently?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:06:06pm |
re: #306 laZardo
The British government needs to learn that these are the consequences for keeping their people out in the cold for so long.
I'm surprised nobody's been caught on camera with a Guy Fawkes mask there yet.
I'm gonna burn down my neighborhood and steal my neighbor's shit. That'll show 'The Man'
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:06:26pm |
re: #322 wozzablog
I'm an Arsenal FC fan, so i won't even go there. But it's related to the supporters of the Tottenham Hotspur FC.
Some of the t-shirts are hilarious.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:07:24pm |
re: #329 laZardo
Which means "the streets will be littered with corpses" is the only solution, apparently?
We're going to litter the streets with corpses? How many deaths are we at so far?
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:08:17pm |
re: #326 laZardo
As I've repeatedly stated, I think there are more economic reasons for the intervention than humanitarian ones. And we do not exactly have a good record sponsoring the "rebels" against the "bad guys."
If I'm willing to watch nine out of ten people get mugged, that doesn't make intervening in the tenth mugging wrong, regardless of whatever my true motives are. There are some arguments where past performance is relevant, this isn't one of them.
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:08:25pm |
re: #329 laZardo
Which means "the streets will be littered with corpses" is the only solution, apparently?
People will be killed by the looters - it's a question of how many.
They are burning peoples homes.
It has to stop - the role of consequence in the social contract needs immediately enforced.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:08:50pm |
re: #333 laZardo
Just Marc Duggan. For now.
For three days of this, that does not speak to me of a constabulary out of control.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:08:55pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:09:10pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:09:34pm |
re: #332 SanFranciscoZionist
We're going to litter the streets with corpses? How many deaths are we at so far?
Sounds as if there will be less death if the authorities intervene.
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austin_blue Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:09:47pm |
Night all. Tomorrow will be...different. Given the chaos we have seen today, let's all hope it will be better. Have sweet scaly dreams.
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:09:50pm |
re: #324 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
1) Luckily, I have trained my daughters properly, so they consider "The Thing" and "Yojimbo" as chick flicks.
2) Transformers 3
3) Battlefield Earth
4) Fallout New Vegas because its badass
5) never, because we would never be willing to fight the Elite Illuminati High Guards
6) Ron Paul
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laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:10:30pm |
re: #335 wozzablog
People will be killed by the looters - it's a question of how many.
They are burning peoples homes.
It has to stop - the role of consequence in the social contract needs immediately enforced.
There will be blood on the streets before this is over. Would rather that blood be shed from people taking matters into their own hands for self-defense than an expanded police state.
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:10:45pm |
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jaunte Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:10:56pm |
re: #338 Slumbering Behemoth
Local residents flee Clarence Road in Hackney on August 8, 2011 in London, England.
Third photo down.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:11:37pm |
re: #342 laZardo
There will be blood on the streets before this is over. Would rather that blood be shed from people taking matters into their own hands for self-defense than an expanded police state.
WHat about people who cannot defend themselves. Brits don't have firearms #1. Old people, children.
If it were your house burning, don't you think you'd want the police to get involved?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:12:08pm |
I just watched Season 1 of 'The Borgias' in two days. Much fun.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:12:53pm |
re: #344 jaunte
Local residents flee Clarence Road in Hackney on August 8, 2011 in London, England.
Third photo down.
This sounds like it is way beyond "Rodney King".
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jaunte Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:12:59pm |
[Link: news.nationalpost.com...]
5th photo down. Drunk asshole.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:13:13pm |
re: #346 SanFranciscoZionist
I just watched Season 1 of 'The Borgias' in two days. Much fun.
oooh, the Borgias!
Nasty group.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:13:13pm |
re: #339 ggt
You've got it all backwards. When this sort of thing happens, you're supposed to stand back and let 'em rape, pillage, murder and burn until the cute little tikes tucker themselves out. Intervening on behalf of your citizenry is just evil.
/need I?
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:13:25pm |
re: #342 laZardo
There will be blood on the streets before this is over. Would rather that blood be shed from people taking matters into their own hands for self-defense than an expanded police state.
These people are looting stores and burning homes for NO REASON.
Look the police should not go out with an aim of killing people - lets get that straight - but they should be using a helluva lot more force to prevent the arsons that WILL kill people.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:13:48pm |
re: #346 SanFranciscoZionist
I just watched Season 1 of 'The Borgias' in two days. Much fun.
I googled it, Neil Jordan is behind it, I've really liked his films about Ireland. May check that out. I've also been really enjoying HBO;'s Boardwalk Empire.
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Mocking Jay Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:13:59pm |
re: #346 SanFranciscoZionist
I just watched Season 1 of 'The Borgias' in two days. Much fun.
In about half an hour I'll have done that with season 1 of Mad Men. Really cool show.
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:14:07pm |
re: #345 ggt
WHat about people who cannot defend themselves. Brits don't have firearms #1. Old people, children.
If it were your house burning, don't you think you'd want the police to get involved?
If we did have fire arms i will tell you now - this would have been very much bloodier, very much quicker.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:14:15pm |
I don't know about Britain, but in the US your regular insurance coverage does not apply in case of riots.
Who is going to pay for all this damage?
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laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:14:19pm |
re: #345 ggt
If a bunch of maniacs came to my place and tried to torch it, I'd probably grab a knife first. Maybe make the call, but I wouldn't depend on the cops to arrive in time.
Maybe the call wouldn't even be made if they get to me first.
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laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:15:18pm |
re: #354 wozzablog
If we did have fire arms i will tell you now - this would have been very much bloodier, very much quicker.
But at least the rioters would know what districts to stay away from. Unless the rioters themselves were armed.
...come to think about it, makes you thankful for the stricter gun laws that they haven't been off on shooting sprees either.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:15:20pm |
re: #354 wozzablog
If we did have fire arms i will tell you now - this would have been very much bloodier, very much quicker.
Thugs would have gone for easy victims.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:15:32pm |
re: #342 laZardo
There will be blood on the streets before this is over. Would rather that blood be shed from people taking matters into their own hands for self-defense than an expanded police state.
Sure. Withdraw the police, and let people fight for their own lives as mobs set the city on fire. That's better.
//For real?
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Digital Display Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:16:08pm |
re: #341 wozzablog
Thanks..We'll also have a voting page on the craziest political ad on youtube.com I mean it has to be effen nuts even to get voted on..
Also the ad that employs the most lies in 60 seconds..
And in Honor of MB SoCon religious right voting block..
Who would Jesus vote for? (WWJVF)
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:16:19pm |
re: #304 SanFranciscoZionist
Whereabouts are you, if I may ask over the Internet?
(If I may not ask, just tell me to shove off.)
North London. Not a million miles from North Finchley.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:16:26pm |
re: #329 laZardo
Keep siding with the criminals, laZardo. Every time you liberals do that, we conservatives use it to defeat you. Come on, laZardo, make it easy for me!
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:16:40pm |
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laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:16:57pm |
re: #359 SanFranciscoZionist
Sure. Withdraw the police, and let people fight for their own lives as mobs set the city on fire. That's better.
//For real?
The police have effectively "withdrawn." Maybe they're waiting for the right time to actually move in with guns blazing so they can say to the cameras that it was "justified."
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:17:00pm |
re: #356 laZardo
If a bunch of maniacs came to my place and tried to torch it, I'd probably grab a knife first. Maybe make the call, but I wouldn't depend on the cops to arrive in time.
Maybe the call wouldn't even be made if they get to me first.
bunch of manics on 4 sides of your house trying to torch it. You are going to be able to stop all of them?
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:17:03pm |
re: #356 laZardo
If a bunch of maniacs came to my place and tried to torch it, I'd probably grab a knife first. Maybe make the call, but I wouldn't depend on the cops to arrive in time.
Maybe the call wouldn't even be made if they get to me first.
Typical internet tough guy. You want to hold off 50 rioters with a kitchen knife. Mmmmhmmm. Because you don't want to expand police power? Hint: the police already have the power to stop rioting and arson, they've just chosen not to use it this far.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:17:28pm |
re: #346 SanFranciscoZionist
I just watched Season 1 of 'The Borgias' in two days. Much fun.
And? The fair Lucrezia?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:17:34pm |
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laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:17:41pm |
re: #366 McSpiff
Typical internet tough guy. You want to hold off 50 rioters with a kitchen knife. Mmmmhmmm. Because you don't want to expand police power? Hint: the police already have the power to stop rioting and arson, they've just chosen not to use it this far.
Hence:
Maybe the call wouldn't even be made if they get to me first.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:19:05pm |
re: #369 laZardo
Hence:
Back in reality, the rest of us expect the police to actually do their job. There will be a crackdown, it will be hard. Cameron wants to be able to run it from the ground.
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makeitstop Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:19:47pm |
re: #362 Dark_Falcon
Keep siding with the criminals, laZardo. Every time you liberals do that, we conservatives use it to defeat you. Come on, laZardo, make it easy for me!
Geez, can the drama already.
And put away the broad brush. 'Liberals' here are doing no such thing and you know it.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:19:53pm |
There's gonna be a lot of Brits "left out in the cold" because a bunch of opportunistic, douche-nozzle criminals have burned their houses down.
But they had it coming, 'cuz gov't and stuff.
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laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:20:05pm |
re: #370 McSpiff
Back in reality, the rest of us expect the police to actually do their job. There will be a crackdown, it will be hard. Cameron wants to be able to run it from the ground.
...And what happens after that?
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:20:35pm |
You know, the NYPD might be the wrong approach, but aren't the PSNI kind of the experts at this sort of thing? That's a UK force.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:21:31pm |
re: #364 laZardo
The police have effectively "withdrawn." Maybe they're waiting for the right time to actually move in with guns blazing so they can say to the cameras that it was "justified."
Why do you keep trying to make it about the police killing people? You seem locked into a fantasy that casts the cops as the bad guys and for the life of me I can't figure out why!
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Atlas Fails Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:21:34pm |
Britain's creeping police state is a concern, but it is in no way justification for this. Innocent people are having their property threatened and their lives endangered, how is that going to convince the U.K. to get rid of street cameras? These cops are risking their own lives to try and quell this lunacy, and they don't deserve to made into the bad guys here.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:21:47pm |
re: #373 laZardo
...And what happens after that?
Same thing as what happens in every other first world countries. Those the police get their hands on get charged and hopefully spend years in prison. Then it shifts into investigation mode, more arrests, etc. There will be millions of hours of CCTV footage to review.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:22:21pm |
re: #352 HappyWarrior
I googled it, Neil Jordan is behind it, I've really liked his films about Ireland. May check that out. I've also been really enjoying HBO;'s Boardwalk Empire.
It's fun. It's not quite as shocking as it wants to be--you get the impression that this is really just quite a nice family, whose papa happens to be Il Papa...all of the Borgia's enemies seem much nastier than they are.
The dresses are spectacular.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:22:40pm |
The rioters aren't exactly innocent bystanders . . .
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:22:48pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:22:55pm |
re: #371 makeitstop
True, nearly all the liberals here seem to be against a deadly criminal anarchy inflicted on an innocent populace.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:23:18pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:23:30pm |
re: #362 Dark_Falcon
Keep siding with the criminals, laZardo. Every time you liberals do that, we conservatives use it to defeat you. Come on, laZardo, make it easy for me!
He is a registered Republican, you know.
:)
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laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:23:47pm |
re: #377 McSpiff
Same thing as what happens in every other first world countries. Those the police get their hands on get charged and hopefully spend years in prison. Then it shifts into investigation mode, more arrests, etc. There will be millions of hours of CCTV footage to review.
It might be good for evidence...along with justification for even more cameras, no doubt.
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makeitstop Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:24:06pm |
re: #381 Slumbering Behemoth
True, nearly all the liberals here seem to be against a deadly criminal anarchy inflicted on an innocent populace.
Exactly. This is horrible. I wouldn't wish what was happening there on anybody.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:24:21pm |
re: #379 ggt
The rioters aren't exactly innocent bystanders . . .
And they aren't starving victims of oppression . . . . .
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:24:37pm |
re: #379 ggt
The rioters aren't exactly innocent bystanders . . .
Indeed. Quite the opposite, in fact.
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:24:56pm |
re: #376 Atlas Fails
Britain's creeping police state is a concern, but it is in no way justification for this. Innocent people are having their property threatened and their lives endangered, how is that going to convince the U.K. to get rid of street cameras? These cops are risking their own lives to try and quell this lunacy, and they don't deserve to made into the bad guys here.
For ONCE the Police are not playing as the bad guys on the Left. I mean, usually they are brutish and completely over the top at the least appropriate times, but when the public WANTS heads smashed in, they are not obliging.
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laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:25:02pm |
re: #383 SanFranciscoZionist
He is a registered Republican, you know.
:)
I'm trying to fix that, I swear. (;
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:25:04pm |
re: #364 laZardo
The police have effectively "withdrawn." Maybe they're waiting for the right time to actually move in with guns blazing so they can say to the cameras that it was "justified."
Sure thing.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:25:05pm |
re: #373 laZardo
...And what happens after that?
Then you send the rioters who are caught to prison for a long time. You beef up police training and equipment. This could have been prevented, had resolute action been taken quickly.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:25:40pm |
re: #373 laZardo
...And what happens after that?
Are you actually this clueless or are you just watching your first riot? Watch footage from Vancouver, Seattle, etc on how to properly control a riot. There's established ways of dealing with this that don't involve killing people but the Met seems totally clueless for whatever reason.
re: #384 laZardo
It might be good for evidence...along with justification for even more cameras, no doubt.
So? Oh no, the existing security apparatus might be somewhat successful?
Before I continue this discussion with you, I want you to answer the following question.
Do you support the rioters that are currently torching London?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:26:12pm |
re: #367 EmmmieG
And? The fair Lucrezia?
Much too fair. She looks like no one in the family, and doesn't look remotely Spanish. It's kind of like "Wait, Rodrigo Borgia adopted a little girl from England?"
But she's very good in the role. Sweet, airheaded, but getting smarter about the world fast.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:26:27pm |
re: #383 SanFranciscoZionist
He is a registered Republican, you know.
:)
And Brookly Red was a registered Democrat. Ideas matter, not party registration.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:27:20pm |
re: #393 SanFranciscoZionist
Much too fair. She looks like no one in the family, and doesn't look remotely Spanish. It's kind of like "Wait, Rodrigo Borgia adopted a little girl from England?"
But she's very good in the role. Sweet, airheaded, but getting smarter about the world fast.
IIRC, Lucretia was used and abused --she got vengeful real fast.
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BishopX Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:27:30pm |
re: #388 wozzablog
If you don't mind me asking, what's you opinion on how the phone hacking scandal in Scotland Yard is affecting the riots? It seems like the riots are coming at the worst possible time for Scotland Yard.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:27:38pm |
re: #391 Dark_Falcon
Then you send the rioters who are caught to prison for a long time. You beef up police training and equipment. This could have been prevented, had resolute action been taken quickly.
QFT. Sometimes basic Civilization 101 crosses party boundaries. Who knew ;-)
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laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:28:16pm |
re: #392 McSpiff
I think what's going on is awful. But I understand why they're lashing out.
Except for the EDL opportunists, they can GFT.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:28:47pm |
re: #362 Dark_Falcon
Keep siding with the criminals, laZardo. Every time you liberals do that, we conservatives use it to defeat you. Come on, laZardo, make it easy for me!
Ridiculous, trigger-happy mentality.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:29:17pm |
re: #396 BishopX
If you don't mind me asking, what's you opinion on how the phone hacking scandal in Scotland Yard is affecting the riots? It seems like the riots are coming at the worst possible time for Scotland Yard.
I was just thinking the same thing when Cameron was mentioned.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:29:17pm |
AS much as some people are ideological purists . . .
England is not Libya, or Egypt
The rioters are not rebels.
They are in anyway justified in their actions.
They are criminals.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:29:23pm |
re: #378 SanFranciscoZionist
It's fun. It's not quite as shocking as it wants to be--you get the impression that this is really just quite a nice family, whose papa happens to be Il Papa...all of the Borgia's enemies seem much nastier than they are.
The dresses are spectacular.
Thanks, sounds cool really.
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jaunte Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:29:25pm |
Starving victim of oppression speaks out:
"This is the uprising of the working class. We're redistributing the wealth," said Bryn Phillips, a 28-year-old self-described anarchist, as young people emerged from a looted store with chocolate bars and ice cream cones.
[Link: www.adelaidenow.com.au...]
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:29:31pm |
re: #398 laZardo
The EDL ain't the only criminal opportunists in this.
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makeitstop Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:29:35pm |
OT (from the prevailing topic):
I'm reading that Ryan Lizza profile on Bachmann in Vanity Fair.
I'm not exaggerating when I say the Bachmanns seem to be very strange people. The impression I'm getting is that they're very naive about how a lot of the world works.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:29:35pm |
re: #389 laZardo
I'm trying to fix that, I swear. (;
I know you're out of the country, but seriously...go online and order the forms or whatever!!
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:29:48pm |
re: #398 laZardo
I think what's going on is awful. But I understand why they're lashing out.
Except for the EDL opportunists, they can GFT.
Do you think the police should stop it?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:29:54pm |
re: #399 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Ridiculous, trigger-happy mentality.
"Come on, Johnny! Keep on comin'!"
4 updings to the first person to place that line and explain why I'm using it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:30:04pm |
re: #389 laZardo
I'm trying to fix that, I swear. (;
If I'm going to be blamed for your attitudes about the London Metro, I want you to at least be a properly documented liberal!
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laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:30:20pm |
re: #406 SanFranciscoZionist
I know you're out of the country, but seriously...go online and order the forms or whatever!!
I'm in Seattle right now. :P Pulling up online voter re-registration.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:30:43pm |
re: #401 ggt
AS much as some people are ideological purists . . .
England is not Libya, or Egypt
The rioters are not rebels.
They are not in anyway justified in their actions.
They are criminals.
PIYF
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:30:52pm |
re: #396 BishopX
If you don't mind me asking, what's you opinion on how the phone hacking scandal in Scotland Yard is affecting the riots? It seems like the riots are coming at the worst possible time for Scotland Yard.
The Yard lost several of it's top brass over the scandal, that won't be helping, but the people responsible for riot policing were still in place.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:31:12pm |
re: #395 ggt
IIRC, Lucretia was used and abused --she got vengeful real fast.
Her horrible first husband gets deliciously humiliated by her father and the College of Cardinals in the second-to-last episode, which is lovely.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:31:46pm |
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:32:10pm |
re: #400 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I was just thinking the same thing when Cameron was mentioned.
Cameron is a none-entity.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:32:34pm |
re: #415 ggt
Thanks for catching that.
No problem. What are friends for, if not to look out for each other?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:32:42pm |
re: #405 makeitstop
OT (from the prevailing topic):
I'm reading that Ryan Lizza profile on Bachmann in Vanity Fair.
I'm not exaggerating when I say the Bachmanns seem to be very strange people. The impression I'm getting is that they're very naive about how a lot of the world works.
That's what happens to people raised in a con-religious bubble like that.
I still want to know what became of those poor foster children -- now adults -- who had to live under that roof, then have fingers wagged at them that they're supposed to be grateful on top of it.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:32:50pm |
re: #408 Dark_Falcon
"Come on, Johnny! Keep on comin'!"
4 updings to the first person to place that line and explain why I'm using it.
um, um,
I wanna say Clint Eastwood.
Or is it a Civil War Reference?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:34:05pm |
re: #408 Dark_Falcon
"Come on, Johnny! Keep on comin'!"
4 updings to the first person to place that line and explain why I'm using it.
Silly.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:34:58pm |
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Kragar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:35:46pm |
re: #408 Dark_Falcon
"Come on, Johnny! Keep on comin'!"
4 updings to the first person to place that line and explain why I'm using it.
Rambo: first blood
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:35:50pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:36:00pm |
re: #410 laZardo
I'm in Seattle right now. :P Pulling up online voter re-registration.
Ah, if I could just manage all the matters of the world so handily...
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:37:14pm |
re: #401 ggt
AS much as some people are ideological purists . . .
England is not Libya, or Egypt
The rioters are not rebels.
They are in anyway justified in their actions.
They are criminals.
Tonight's entertainment is coming from watching American cons already on their heads for a police state here, with an excuse to impose that mentality onto another country's situation. Lol it's hilarious.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:38:43pm |
I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for a group of citizens from a Western Country who have the advantage of free education, and generous social services who instead of using those advantages, abuse them.
There is a system (with free legal help) for addressing grievances.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:39:37pm |
re: #425 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Tonight's entertainment is coming from watching American cons already on their heads for a police state here, with an excuse to impose that mentality onto another country's situation. Lol it's hilarious.
WHat? You have another interpretation?
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allegro Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:40:07pm |
This is reminding me of Chicago in 1968 after the assassination of Martin Luther King. The city was on fire. Through a weird series of events, I found myself downtown with a couple of girlfriends the day after the worst of it but still really volatile with police on the streets 4 to a car ready to pounce on any sign of trouble that was clearly bubbling and ready to erupt at any moment. The police had the same looks on their faces as I'm sure we had, something between heightened alertness and downright fear. I didn't know who to fear more, the rioters or the police. We were all caught in a cyclone that was unpredictable and from which there were few escape routes if it went nuts again.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:40:30pm |
re: #425 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Tonight's entertainment is coming from watching American cons already on their heads for a police state here, with an excuse to impose that mentality onto another country's situation. Lol it's hilarious.
Yup, not wanting your house torched is practically begging for a police state. Those poor kids just wanted their basic human rights, like free 42" TVs. Thats what the Syrians are protesting for too right?
Grow up.
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laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:40:41pm |
Oh cool, there is no "party registration" in Washington State. :D
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lostlakehiker Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:41:45pm |
re: #146 theheat
Of all the pictures of Hillary, actually it's one of the more flattering ones. She isn't a thing of beauty - no - but I've grown to really like her. I think she'd make a damn fine POTUS, actually.
Cattlegate.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:41:48pm |
re: #427 ggt
WHat? You have another interpretation?
I don't understand the question. Do I have another interpretation of what?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:42:18pm |
re: #429 McSpiff
LOL! POLICE-STATE CON!!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:42:50pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:42:57pm |
re: #362 Dark_Falcon
Keep siding with the criminals, laZardo. Every time you liberals do that, we conservatives use it to defeat you. Come on, laZardo, make it easy for me!
lol
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:42:57pm |
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jaunte Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:43:12pm |
re: #411 BishopX
There's one in every crowd.
This guy is getting a lot of press:
Phillips claimed rioters were motivated by distrust of the police, and drew a link between the rage on London's street and insurgent right-wing politics in the United States. "In America you have the tea party, in England you've got this," he said.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:44:12pm |
re: #438 jaunte
This guy is getting a lot of press:
I will say this for the Tea Party--they don't set shit on fire, or loot businesses.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:44:38pm |
re: #429 McSpiff
Yup, not wanting your house torched is practically begging for a police state.
Is that what I said? Or is that what you've projected.
Those poor kids just wanted their basic human rights, like free 42" TVs. Thats what the Syrians are protesting for too right?
Grow up.
Go cram words in someone else's mouth, McSpiff.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:45:04pm |
re: #434 Slumbering Behemoth
Seriously. I'm probably the only poster here who's voted for an actual Social Democratic party, volunteered for a Liberal party and yet by supporting basic social constructs like
1) Rule of Law
2) Protection of Self
3) Protection of Property
we're all just pinning for a police state.
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laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:45:05pm |
re: #439 SanFranciscoZionist
I will say this for the Tea Party--they don't set shit on fire, or loot businesses.
They do however endorse the cold-blooded murder of abortion doctors. Still puts them on the moral high ground though!
/
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ArchangelMichael Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:45:31pm |
re: #408 Dark_Falcon
"Come on, Johnny! Keep on comin'!"
4 updings to the first person to place that line and explain why I'm using it.
Union soldiers taunted the Southerners with it at the Battle of Fredricksburg. Not sure why you are using it other than maybe London cops could get cocky and end up getting steamrolled by the rioters?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:45:31pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:45:38pm |
re: #439 SanFranciscoZionist
To be fair, though, I don't think the have the energy for such activities.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:45:46pm |
re: #440 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
No, what you posted wasn't half as interesting or well written.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:46:03pm |
re: #438 jaunte
This guy is getting a lot of press:
Analogy FAIL. For all the noise it makes, the Tea Party has not generated mass violence and lawlessness, nor does it advocate such. Yes, there have been TP protests featuring people with guns, such as in Phoenix. But those protests did not hurt anyone, nor deprive anyone of life, liberty, or property. Phillips is full of it.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:46:06pm |
re: #444 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
The post wasn't an interpretation of #401, it was an additional observation.
ah
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jaunte Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:46:34pm |
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prairiefire Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:46:38pm |
re: #445 Slumbering Behemoth
To be fair, though, I don't think the have the energy for such activities.
It's harder to run away from an arson fire in a motorized scooter.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:47:26pm |
re: #443 ArchangelMichael
Union soldiers taunted the Southerners with it at the Battle of Fredricksburg. Not sure why you are using it other than maybe London cops could get cocky and end up getting steamrolled by the rioters?
He was responding to a post of mine making fun of his absurd post to laZardo.
Rotfl - ridiculous.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:47:30pm |
re: #442 laZardo
They do however endorse the cold-blooded murder of abortion doctors. Still puts them on the moral high ground though!
/
A few wouldn't mind mass slaugther of LGBT community, although not officially sanctioned.
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laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:47:46pm |
re: #447 Dark_Falcon
Analogy FAIL. For all the noise it makes, the Tea Party has not generated mass violence and lawlessness, nor does it advocate such.
They prefer to advocate the aforementioned murder of abortion doctors, as well as so-called "ex-gay therapy."
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:48:18pm |
re: #446 McSpiff
No, what you posted wasn't half as interesting or well written.
Oh those POOR 42" flatscreens! Won't someone think of the plasma!
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lostlakehiker Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:48:29pm |
re: #366 McSpiff
Typical internet tough guy. You want to hold off 50 rioters with a kitchen knife. Mmmmhmmm. Because you don't want to expand police power? Hint: the police already have the power to stop rioting and arson, they've just chosen not to use it this far.
Actually, they simply don't have the power. The Napoleonic steps they would have to take to put down the riots abruptly are outside the circle of what Britain does. Of what Britain is.
Britain is not Syria.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:48:38pm |
re: #253 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Lol I haven't said anything about them at all.
That, I leave to the handwringing socon know-it-alls with their own axe to grind about welfare here. To me, the mentality is hilarious.
You find lol humor where there is none, frequently.
You made the sarcastic reference alluding to welfare and I called you on it. If you had reason on your mind I would be more than willing to discuss the failures of education systems that produce unemployable thugs, both in the UK and US; but you think an intelligent response is to type your signature tune of "lol".
Why are you here?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:49:44pm |
re: #442 laZardo
They do however endorse the cold-blooded murder of abortion doctors. Still puts them on the moral high ground though!
/
They also don't actually have much equivalence with the looters. Different sorts of things. I think this kid probably doesn't understand the Tea Party very well.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:50:07pm |
re: #450 prairiefire
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:50:26pm |
re: #445 Slumbering Behemoth
To be fair, though, I don't think the have the energy for such activities.
No, the folks who bring folding chairs to rallies probably don't.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:50:34pm |
re: #443 ArchangelMichael
Union soldiers taunted the Southerners with it at the Battle of Fredricksburg. Not sure why you are using it other than maybe London cops could get cocky and end up getting steamrolled by the rioters?
It was actually the battle of Gettysburg. At Fredricksburg, the Union soldiers attacked Confederate troops positioned behind a stone wall and were shattered. At Gettysburg, the Union soldiers called that out wanting the Confederate troops to march into an artillery kill-zone. They also chanted "Fredricksburg, Fredricksburg!" as this time they were behind the stone wall.
I used it because I wanted laZardo to keep moving into bad ground and thus making it easier for me to discredit his ideas.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:50:50pm |
re: #456 lostlakehiker
Actually, they simply don't have the power. The Napoleonic steps they would have to take to put down the riots abruptly are outside the circle of what Britain does. Of what Britain is.
Britain is not Syria.
I'm trusting what I'm reading from various sources in the UK, but it seems like the majority of the law abiding citizens would support at least rubber bullets and arrests at this point...
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Kragar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:51:05pm |
re: #452 ggt
A few wouldn't mind mass slaugther of LGBT community, although not officially sanctioned.
They'ld be doing it for the children.
///
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allegro Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:51:14pm |
re: #455 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Oh those POOR 42" flatscreens! Won't someone think of the plasma!
How about thinking of the merchants, likely Mom and Pop businesses who have stretched to buy that inventory and depend on the sale of it at a reasonable profit to make a living. There are people behind those windows being smashed and in the homes being burned. This isn't just about stuff.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:51:47pm |
re: #455 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Oh those POOR 42" flatscreens! Won't someone think of the plasma!
Lol I no right? Y ppl get so mad over a lil looting.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:52:09pm |
re: #457 Naso Tang
You made the sarcastic reference alluding to welfare and I called you on it.
Oh my, look who's upset. Stick around and I might make more comments about "welfare".
If you had reason on your mind I would be more than willing to discuss the failures of education systems that produce unemployable thugs, both in the UK and US; but you think an intelligent response is to type your signature tune of "lol".
Why are you here?
Lol silly indignant man.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:52:26pm |
re: #447 Dark_Falcon
Analogy FAIL. For all the noise it makes, the Tea Party has not generated mass violence and lawlessness, nor does it advocate such. Yes, there have been TP protests featuring people with guns, such as in Phoenix. But those protests did not hurt anyone, nor deprive anyone of life, liberty, or property. Phillips is full of it.
"We came unarmed ... this time." They're a bunch of humpers, and I say this as someone with what many would consider to be a ridiculous number of guns. Many Tea Party members openly advocate overthrowing the government via violent revolution, fortunately the vast majority are stupid, old, cowardly racist hoveround bound fools too busy trying to take their weekly poop to be any kind of real threat.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:52:30pm |
re: #462 McSpiff
I'm trusting what I'm reading from various sources in the UK, but it seems like the majority of the law abiding citizens would support at least rubber bullets and arrests at this point...
Quite Concur.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:52:31pm |
re: #452 ggt
A few wouldn't mind mass slaugther of LGBT community, although not officially sanctioned.
I'm sure there are plenty of people in the Tea Party who wouldn't mind a lot of people--the people they don't like--getting killed. Of course, I suspect that self-described anarchist looters are probably near the top of that list, so I do hope this young person is not counting on them identifying him as their anti-government brother in arms.
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lostlakehiker Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:53:29pm |
re: #230 wozzablog
Exxcellent news though, The Turkish and Asian communities are standing up to the riots in parts of London. They are doing more than the BNP/EDL ever would.
Kebab shop owners are chasing looters through hackney with meat cleavers and skewers.
400+ asian people are guarding the Green Street area of east london.
The strongest communities in the UK are those from outside. It makes me oddly proud to be British that the people who are not even from here are the ones standing up to the british rioters.
Koreans armed themselves and posted snipers during the LA riots. They were not going to allow their shops, with their families upstairs, to be torched.
In the final analysis, riot control does involve shooting and killing people. Not en masse, but as a last resort if that's what it takes to stop arsonists torching inhabited dwellings.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:53:34pm |
re: #466 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Why bring another posters gender into it?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:53:37pm |
I gotta go to sleep.
Have a great evening all!
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Achilles Tang Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:53:59pm |
re: #466 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Oh my, look who's upset. Stick around and I might make more comments about "welfare".
Lol silly indignant man.
Are you drunk? Reread your comment in the morning. I will be around.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:56:06pm |
re: #464 allegro
How about thinking of the merchants, likely Mom and Pop businesses who have stretched to buy that inventory and depend on the sale of it at a reasonable profit to make a living. There are people behind those windows being smashed and in the homes being burned. This isn't just about stuff.
I agree with you.
But we can count on the focus being on material crap e.g. burnt-down buildings, inventories, stolen television sets, and not people getting hurt, injured, families lost, people missing, perhaps killed. I'm laughing at the mentality that focuses on things and property, and so called "law and order" in the service of things and property. But actually, I find it quite disgusting.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:56:08pm |
re: #466 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin = Evil Clown
Evil Clown is very quick with a joke, but his jests always have a barb. He has little patience for in-depth discussions and will often disrupt exchanges between serious forum participants by introducing irrelevant topics, fatuous quips, and offhand comments. His greatest thrill is to taunt and humiliate weaker or more plodding Warriors with his snappy ripostes. Not a particularly powerful Warrior, Evil Clown will attempt to avoid defeat by accusing his attacker of having no sense of humor
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:56:15pm |
re: #470 lostlakehiker
Koreans armed themselves and posted snipers during the LA riots. They were not going to allow their shops, with their families upstairs, to be torched.
In the final analysis, riot control does involve shooting and killing people. Not en masse, but as a last resort if that's what it takes to stop arsonists torching inhabited dwellings.
I do have to wonder if this could have been stopped sooner. There's gonna be a shitload of going over every moment and every detail once this is done with.
Tonight I'm just praying that the body count stays low, (no more than the one man already dead would be super) and, if you'll excuse me, that none of the dead are cops, or uninvolved civilians.
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prairiefire Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:57:46pm |
re: #459 Slumbering Behemoth
Why thank you, you have brightened my day. My teenager was also in a good mood today, so double win. School starts next Tuesday!
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darthstar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:59:03pm |
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prairiefire Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:59:16pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:59:37pm |
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Achilles Tang Mon, Aug 8, 2011 9:59:45pm |
re: #476 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I agree with you.
But we can count on the focus being on material crap e.g. burnt-down buildings, inventories, stolen television sets, and not people getting hurt, injured, families lost, people missing, perhaps killed. I'm laughing at the mentality that focuses on things and property, and so called "law and order" in the service of things and property. But actually, I find it quite disgusting.
You find it disgusting, and amusing, that people who work all their lives to build something for themselves can see it destroyed overnight by hoodlums who are bored and see an opportunity to gain some momentary gain?
There is something twisted about that. Seriously twisted.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:02:50pm |
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laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:03:32pm |
re: #486 darthstar
Image: stop-electing-people-terrible-money-reminders-ecar ds-someecards.png
I fucken love templates.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:03:40pm |
re: #452 ggt
A few wouldn't mind mass slaugther of LGBT community, although not officially sanctioned.
They're not getting most of what they want, socially.
It's the main reason they are so enraged.
Oh well, sucks to be them.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:05:46pm |
re: #485 Naso Tang
You find it disgusting, and amusing, that people who work all their lives to build something for themselves can see it destroyed overnight by hoodlums who are bored and see an opportunity to gain some momentary gain?
There is something twisted about that. Seriously twisted.
That's what happens when you read in haste, instead of from a place of reason, and then stuff words in my mouth in order to argue against them.
No, I find it disgusting that a lot of people care more about things than people getting hurt by those doing the rioting.
Don't you?
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allegro Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:06:49pm |
re: #476 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I agree with you.
But we can count on the focus being on material crap e.g. burnt-down buildings, inventories, stolen television sets, and not people getting hurt, injured, families lost, people missing, perhaps killed. I'm laughing at the mentality that focuses on things and property, and so called "law and order" in the service of things and property. But actually, I find it quite disgusting.
You are no doubt correct about the focus being on material losses just as it was with the assholes after Katrina. That is the world that we live in today. I also recognize that your laughter is sourced in pain because to cry out and scream of the injustice of it just results in being further bullied and outcast.
I have no answers. We're all scared. We all deal with it as we are able.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:07:04pm |
It seems that we have a couple of tongue tied people here who can't explain themselves except with dings. I would like to know how they think that random destruction of what people build for themselves, and this is no issue of targeted destruction, is insignificant because it concerns inanimate objects.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:07:16pm |
re: #489 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
That's what happens when you read in haste, instead of from a place of reason, and then stuff words in my mouth in order to argue against them.
No, I find it disgusting that a lot of people care more about things than people getting hurt by those doing the rioting.
Don't you?
A lot of people? Care to cite examples of such misplaced concerns?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:07:44pm |
re: #477 Dark_Falcon
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin = Evil Clown
"Not a particularly powerful Warrior, Evil Clown will attempt to avoid defeat by accusing his attacker of having no sense of humor"
Well that's interesting, since that's what I get accused of by certain types, some on this forum.
YOU DID NOT LAUGH AT MY JOKE THAT I MADE!!! You have no sense of humor!
Find another template - that one doesn't work.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:08:54pm |
re: #489 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
You do understanding that people have nearly died in many of these attacks right? Stopping the looting and the arson means stopping all the attacks. Its one in the same. Arson has nearly killed many people so far. Turn on the BBC. Several shop owners have almost been killed by looters. No one is suggesting these idiots be allowed to beat people in the streets as long as they aren't breaking things.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:09:37pm |
re: #494 McSpiff
You do understand that people have nearly died in many of these attacks right? Stopping the looting and the arson means stopping all the attacks. Its one in the same. Arson has nearly killed many people so far. Turn on the BBC. Several shop owners have almost been killed by looters. No one is suggesting these idiots be allowed to beat people in the streets as long as they aren't breaking things.
PIMF.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:10:13pm |
re: #476 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Yet there are plenty of Lizards here focusing on the impact this riot is having on real, living people.
And I doubt there are many people out there who would share your disgust at the idea that "law and order" should protect property while they flee their burning homes.
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lostlakehiker Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:10:17pm |
re: #290 austin_blue
This is not an Islamic uprising. It is a poor, unemployed uprising.
It's not an uprising. It's a binge of looting. Poor and unemployed doesn't mean hunger, not in Britain.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:11:02pm |
re: #490 allegro
You are no doubt correct about the focus being on material losses just as it was with the assholes after Katrina. That is the world that we live in today. I also recognize that your laughter is sourced in pain because to cry out and scream of the injustice of it just results in being further bullied and outcast.
I have no answers. We're all scared. We all deal with it as we are able.
I wouldn't call it that, since I definitely don't feel bullied or outcast. Also screaming is has never been my style :)
What I don't like is this focus on things, things, things, material things, as if things are more important than the people who own or make the friggin things.
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:11:13pm |
Aaaarrrghhh! It's 90 degrees just after midnight here in the Hub City of the Plains Dunes, Lubbock. We have had no measurable rainfall since May 12. This was the first June and only the second July in history that no rain has fallen. Records here go back to 1892. It was also our 47th day over 100 degrees. The former record was 29 such days for a whole year. With two months of hot weather left, we will almost certainly double the old record by a good margin.
According to Governor Redpot Goodhair and his batshit crazy spiritual advisors, though, global warming is a hoax inspired by the demon Baal.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:12:29pm |
re: #493 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Well that's interesting, since that's what I get accused of by certain types, some on this forum.
Find another template - that one doesn't work.
OK:
Artful Dodger is a nimble and elusive Warrior. When strongly attacked he changes the subject with a diversionary counterattack. For example, if in a moment of pique his opponent refers to him to him as a "sonofabitch", Artful Dodger will not only demand a public apology for the insult to his own mother, but will castigate his opponent on behalf all mothers everywhere. Knowing full well that staying on topic works to his disadvantage, Artful Dodger will not allow himself to be pinned down.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:12:55pm |
re: #494 McSpiff
No one is suggesting these idiots be allowed to beat people in the streets as long as they aren't breaking things.
Lol where did I say anyone was? Ridiculous.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:15:29pm |
re: #489 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
That's what happens when you read in haste, instead of from a place of reason, and then stuff words in my mouth in order to argue against them.
No, I find it disgusting that a lot of people care more about things than people getting hurt by those doing the rioting.
Don't you?
I refer to your sarcastic comment that started this exchange, and that contained no such nuance.
Do you think nobody is hurt when their livelihood, or even something as mundane as their car which may or may not be insured for riots, is destroyed by thrill and profit seeking thugs?
I find your tunnel vision analysis, along with what you express to be a source of either amusement or disgust to be disappointing, to put it politely.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:16:24pm |
re: #501 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Lol where did I say anyone was? Ridiculous.
THEN WHAT ARE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT?
Seriously, everyone wants these riots to stop for the same reason. Its because they're hurting innocent people. In a variety of ways. Some people have been physically harmed. Others have lost their homes. Some have lost their livelyhoods. It all affects people. We aren't stupid, I'm not attached to a warehouse in London because it holds the oh-so-precious TVs, I'm upset because hundreds of people just lost their jobs.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:16:32pm |
re: #500 Dark_Falcon
OK:
"Knowing full well that staying on topic works to his disadvantage, Artful Dodger will not allow himself to be pinned down."
9_9
TMK, I'm not one who takes things OT. In fact, quite the opposite...I'm pretty tenacious when on-topic, which can be cause for lots of annoyance. Right?
That one is a fail. Try another one. Or how about just write out an insult paragraph of your own instead of letting someone else do it for you? You can post it or not, doesn't matter to me.
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lostlakehiker Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:17:35pm |
re: #489 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
That's what happens when you read in haste, instead of from a place of reason, and then stuff words in my mouth in order to argue against them.
No, I find it disgusting that a lot of people care more about things than people getting hurt by those doing the rioting.
Don't you?
The things are the embodied labor and dreams of people. Lots of things are things, but things made by people are bits of a lifetime of work. One gets only one of those, and if the whole lot of it is destroyed one lousy fiery night, that's that.
You can so weigh up the value of a life vs. the value of things. A thing is worth a life if a reasonable man will take a 50-50 chance of losing his life, in exchange for a 50-50 chance of rescuing the thing.
The Venus de Milo, standing in the Louvre, is worth many lives. I'd take a bullet to stop it getting hit. An extreme example, but it makes the point. More ordinary things are still made by men working, sometimes in mortal peril. Dams, bridges, skyscrapers...and the mines from which the metal and coal come for those things...all those cost lives from time to time. If they must rebuilt, the rebuilding will again cost lives.
The dividing line runs deep into the things category. A house, for instance, is not remotely worth a life. But somewhere, at some level of destruction, the line is crossed.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:17:38pm |
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lostlakehiker Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:19:33pm |
re: #499 Shiplord Kirel
Aaaarrrghhh! It's 90 degrees just after midnight here in the Hub City of the
PlainsDunes, Lubbock. We have had no measurable rainfall since May 12. This was the first June and only the second July in history that no rain has fallen. Records here go back to 1892. It was also our 47th day over 100 degrees. The former record was 29 such days for a whole year. With two months of hot weather left, we will almost certainly double the old record by a good margin.
According to Governor Redpot Goodhair and his batshit crazy spiritual advisors, though, global warming is a hoax inspired by the demon Baal.
Well, he's partly right. It is in fact a hell of a summer.
It is, unfortunately, a harbinger. The hoax that Baal is working is not the story of global warming...it's the story that global warming is a hoax.
More such summers are in the pipeline, especially if we carry on with business as usual.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:19:37pm |
re: #504 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
No, what's annoying is you tend to miss the topic by a country mile and then glare when people have the nerve to point it out, instead of appreciating your sagely wisdom.
Lives are more important than things man.
Great, congratulations. You brought a new and unique idea to LGF. You must be so proud. Taming the savages with that one.
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makeitstop Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:19:57pm |
re: #492 Dark_Falcon
A lot of people? Care to cite examples of such misplaced concerns?
I'm thinking it's similar to the 'liberals' you claimed were siding with the looters earlier.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:19:59pm |
re: #504 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
9_9
TMK, I'm not one who takes things OT. In fact, quite the opposite...I'm pretty tenacious when on-topic, which can be cause for lots of annoyance. Right?
That one is a fail. Try another one. Or how about just write out an insult paragraph of your own instead of letting someone else do it for you? You can post it or not, doesn't matter to me.
Fine: I find you to be glib about things that one should not be glib about, and I think you dismiss any thought of using lawful force as a sign of a "police state mind". You act like a lefty in Cloud Cuckoo Land.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:20:08pm |
re: #502 Naso Tang
I refer to your sarcastic comment that started this exchange, and that contained no such nuance.
...
find your tunnel vision analysis, along with what you express to be a source of either amusement or disgust to be disappointing, to put it politely.
Tell me you don't really expect "nuance" or "analysis" from a sarcastic comment. It contained the word "welfare" so you got MAD. e_e
Whatever. A bunch of your posts disappoint me. Do you care? Do I go around demanding to know why you're here? Please. lol
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Lidane Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:20:26pm |
Dear Michele Bachmann,
Do yourself a favor and fire your plastic surgeon. They pulled your last facelift too tight and overdid the Botox on your forehead. The end result? A shocked/glazed look that isn't flattering at all, and which only highlights the crazy you constantly spout.
Sincerely,
Me
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allegro Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:20:43pm |
re: #498 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I wouldn't call it that, since I definitely don't feel bullied or outcast. Also screaming is has never been my style :)
What I don't like is this focus on things, things, things, material things, as if things are more important than the people who own or make the friggin things.
Well then you know what? I misread your motives. Because those things mean a livelihood for those merchants. Those things are the beds people sleep in, the clothes they wear, and the pots and pans they cook their meals in. Those things mean a lot to those people and not out of some status seeking bullshit but for survival.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:20:44pm |
re: #498 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I wouldn't call it that, since I definitely don't feel bullied or outcast. Also screaming is has never been my style :)
What I don't like is this focus on things, things, things, material things, as if things are more important than the people who own or make the friggin things.
No. LOL has been your style; sometime ROTFL.
THINGS, in this context means livelihood and what people work for all their lives to achieve, and what they work for their children.
You don't appear to be one who has ever needed to do that, or thought about it. I'll bear that in mind in the future. Perhaps other will too.
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BishopX Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:22:00pm |
re: #491 Naso Tang
It seems that we have a couple of tongue tied people here who can't explain themselves except with dings. I would like to know how they think that random destruction of what people build for themselves, and this is no issue of targeted destruction, is insignificant because it concerns inanimate objects.
If this is you calling me out on down dinging your 485, let me explain. I find your persistent inability to understand what the fuck OCSP is saying annoying, and your persistent attacks distasteful. I also think your sarcasm detector broke down several hundred posts back.
It's not really what you said, you have a reasonable point even if you are trying to KO a strawman, but rather the fact that your personal attacks and inability to follow the discussion are poisoning the debate.
So down ding.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:22:21pm |
re: #514 allegro
Well then you know what? I misread your motives. Because those things mean a livelihood for those merchants. Those things are the beds people sleep in, the clothes they wear, and the pots and pans they cook their meals in. Those things mean a lot to those people and not out of some status seeking bullshit but for survival.
THIS
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:24:36pm |
re: #509 McSpiff
No, what's annoying is you tend to miss the topic by a country mile and then glare when people have the nerve to point it out, instead of appreciating your sagely wisdom.
Rotfl "sagely wisdom". Let the record show that is your term and your projection, completely.
BTW, who is glaring?
The only people I see glaring are the ones who disagreed with what I said about the 42" television sets. So what, let 'em glare. They'll be over it by tomorrow morning, that is, the ones who aren't the grudge-holding types.
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laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:24:48pm |
re: #514 allegro
Well then you know what? I misread your motives. Because those things mean a livelihood for those merchants. Those things are the beds people sleep in, the clothes they wear, and the pots and pans they cook their meals in. Those things mean a lot to those people and not out of some status seeking bullshit but for survival.
They can still get more "things." Livelihoods can be rebuilt, however painfully slow. Lives themselves cannot be replaced.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:25:46pm |
re: #516 BishopX
If this is you calling me out on down dinging your 485, let me explain. I find your persistent inability to understand what the fuck OCSP is saying annoying, and your persistent attacks distasteful. I also think your sarcasm detector broke down several hundred posts back.
It's not really what you said, you have a reasonable point even if you are trying to KO a strawman, but rather the fact that your personal attacks and inability to follow the discussion are poisoning the debate.
So down ding.
I understand very well. I even understand you, and I dare say I am more polite than either since I don't consider disagreement alone to be impolite.
To quote you, I even understand "what the fuck" Crap is saying. I just think it is sad.
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Lidane Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:26:37pm |
re: #476 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I can see the point you're trying to make, but if I had a furniture store like the one in Croydon that burned down today, I'd be heartbroken right now. All that work and all that energy that I put into my business gone in an instant because some people held a grudge that I had no part of? That's just wrong.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:26:39pm |
re: #514 allegro
Well then you know what? I misread your motives. Because those things mean a livelihood for those merchants. Those things are the beds people sleep in, the clothes they wear, and the pots and pans they cook their meals in. Those things mean a lot to those people and not out of some status seeking bullshit but for survival.
You didn't misread at all, you just highlighted my point. These are the things -- literal things -- that matter. Not stupid television sets.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:26:54pm |
re: #519 laZardo
They can still get more "things." Livelihoods can be rebuilt, however painfully slow. Lives themselves cannot be replaced.
That's true.
Which is yet another reason to get this situation under control before people start dying. Which they will, if buildings keep going up in flames.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:27:22pm |
re: #518 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Rotfl "sagely wisdom". Let the record show that is your term and your projection, completely.
BTW, who is glaring?
The only people I see glaring are the ones who disagreed with what I said about the 42" television sets. So what, let 'em glare. They'll be over it by tomorrow morning, that is, the ones who aren't the grudge-holding types.
Your ability to forcefully ignore any criticism or critique is truly amazing. I suspect you'll burn brightly and quickly, like many here(LGF) before you. Enjoy the ride I guess.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:28:30pm |
I look forward to more intelligent days.
Goodnight.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:28:44pm |
re: #519 laZardo
They can still get more "things." Livelihoods can be rebuilt, however painfully slow. Lives themselves cannot be replaced.
How does an 80 year old pensioner rebuild her livelihood? Can she work for a few more years to save up for another wedding photograph? Your posts speaks from the point of view of someone who has had very little time to actually build themselves a life.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:30:22pm |
re: #524 McSpiff
Your ability to forcefully ignore any criticism or critique is truly amazing. I suspect you'll burn brightly and quickly, like many here(LGF) before you. Enjoy the ride I guess.
You should be more honest and just say you're ANGRY because I just rejected YOUR "criticism".
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:31:58pm |
re: #528 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
You should be more honest and just say you're ANGRY because I just rejected YOUR "criticism".
I'm not angry at all. Mostly because the police in London will stop these riots, using the tactics and for the reasons that myself and many other posters you berated here posted.
Tell you what, I'll even split the difference with you. While I'm being right in the real world, you can be right on the internet. There, friends?
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BishopX Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:32:21pm |
re: #520 Naso Tang
I understand very well. I even understand you, and I dare say I am more polite than either since I don't consider disagreement alone to be impolite.
To quote you, I even understand "what the fuck" Crap is saying. I just think it is sad.
I don't consider disagreement to be impolite. It's the post after post of impinging on another posters motives and state of mind that I find wearing. It just feels like you intentionally misrepresent others ideas so you can belittle them. And past a certain point I start down dinging because I feel like you're detracting from the thread.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:33:00pm |
re: #521 Lidane
I can see the point you're trying to make, but if I had a furniture store like the one in Croydon that burned down today, I'd be heartbroken right now. All that work and all that energy that I put into my business gone in an instant because some people held a grudge that I had no part of? That's just wrong.
It is wrong. The entire scene is wrong.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:35:47pm |
re: #527 laZardo
all this debatin' has gotten me all sweaty. brb shower
Right behind you. Well, not literally. You know what I mean.
Laters all.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:35:55pm |
re: #532 Dark_Falcon
GAZE
Its alright man. It can be hard for a new poster to realize that a heated debate here doesn't actually involve anger. I made the same mistake early on. Its not the usual internet style.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:36:06pm |
re: #529 McSpiff
I'm not angry at all. Mostly because the police in London will stop these riots, using the tactics and for the reasons that myself and many other posters you berated here posted.
Tell you what, I'll even split the difference with you. While I'm being right in the real world, you can be right on the internet. There, friends?
Lol aren't you the person who just told me to "grow up".
I don't give a tinker's dern if you think you're right either on the internet or in the real world. We are not in competition; this is not a contest.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:36:18pm |
re: #530 BishopX
I don't consider disagreement to be impolite. It's the post after post of impinging on another posters motives and state of mind that I find wearing. It just feels like you intentionally misrepresent others ideas so you can belittle them. And past a certain point I start down dinging because I feel like you're detracting from the thread.
The thing is that this isn't the first time OCSP has gotten into fights like this, more like the 5th. When someone keeps getting into the same type of fight, you start to wonder if maybe they're provoking those fights.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:38:38pm |
re: #535 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Lol aren't you the person who just told me to "grow up".
I don't give a tinker's dern if you think you're right either on the internet or in the real world. We are not in competition; this is not a contest.
Thank you, I know it can be hard to admit when you're wrong so I don't mind that you couldn't come right out and say it. "I wasn't even trying!" is good enough for me.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:40:44pm |
re: #532 Dark_Falcon
GAZE
Say, DF, maybe you're one of those people kept in line by someone's disapproving GAZE but I'm not.
re: #534 McSpiff
Its alright man. It can be hard for a new poster to realize that a heated debate here doesn't actually involve anger. I made the same mistake early on. Its not the usual internet style.
Heated debate with difference of opinion doesn't bother me in the least. Your absurd comment about "critique" and "criticism" struck me as being personally angry about my response to your posts in this thread (not the same as "criticism" in my mind, not even close.) All this rage about something I said regarding 42" television sets and welfare, I don't buy that that's about the riots, either.
If I'm wrong about it, so be it.
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BishopX Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:40:46pm |
re: #536 Dark_Falcon
I know. I lurk a whole bunch more than I post (mutli-tasking addiction ftw), and I've read enough of her stuff get how hard to deal with she can be. That said, I rarely find her abrasive enough to down-ding. Naso is another story.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:41:21pm |
re: #534 McSpiff
Its alright man. It can be hard for a new poster to realize that a heated debate here doesn't actually involve anger. I made the same mistake early on. Its not the usual internet style.
I get the same thing from my fundengelical relatives. Simply disagreeing on some point is seen as hostility and anger. It's a laughable mentality.
'Kay, I'm out. Zombies don't kill themselves, ya know.
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Eclectic Infidel Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:41:58pm |
re: #17 thedopefishlives
It's like she's gazed upon the visage of Cthulhu or something.
I hope Cthulhu is ok.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:42:04pm |
re: #537 McSpiff
Thank you, I know it can be hard to admit when you're wrong so I don't mind that you couldn't come right out and say it. "I wasn't even trying!" is good enough for me.
If straw man is the best you've got, and I see you're not alone in it, then that's on you.
As I said already, you're not in any competition with me. There's no reason to act like it.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:43:02pm |
re: #539 BishopX
I know. I lurk a whole bunch more than I post (mutli-tasking addiction ftw), and I've read enough of her stuff get how hard to deal with she can be. That said, I rarely find her abrasive enough to down-ding. Naso is another story.
I hear you. It's just that crime was one of the issues that cemented my conservatism back in the mid-1990's. So i take riots and drug gangs very seriously. When I take things very seriously I become irked when someone else is glib or dismissive of my concerns.
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allegro Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:45:51pm |
re: #519 laZardo
They can still get more "things." Livelihoods can be rebuilt, however painfully slow. Lives themselves cannot be replaced.
You are correct that lives cannot be replaced. Those lives can however not be worth living when the struggle becomes too great. This is how a lot of people live, too many people who cling day to day to survive another day. Livelihoods cannot always be rebuilt when the losses are too great and the will too weakened. Not everyone has a fall back position, a place to land when things go wrong.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:46:00pm |
re: #536 Dark_Falcon
The thing is that this isn't the first time OCSP has gotten into fights like this, more like the 5th. When someone keeps getting into the same type of fight, you start to wonder if maybe they're provoking those fights.
DF why don't you just come out and say you think I'm provoking fights?
I know why, because you'd then have to back up what you say. I also know you don't really believe it.
I will say, though, there are people who believe they are being provoked because someone maintains their own point of view and isn't afraid to state it. You're often that person at LGF, and everyone admires you for it. Are you being a provocateur?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:47:50pm |
re: #543 Dark_Falcon
I hear you. It's just that crime was one of the issues that cemented my conservatism back in the mid-1990's. So i take riots and drug gangs very seriously. When I take things very seriously I become irked when someone else is glib or dismissive of my concerns.
Welcome to being a numerical minority in America.
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BishopX Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:48:13pm |
re: #543 Dark_Falcon
I hear you. It's just that crime was one of the issues that cemented my conservatism back in the mid-1990's. So i take riots and drug gangs very seriously. When I take things very seriously I become irked when someone else is glib or dismissive of my concerns.
That's funny. Because crime (and government reaction to it) is one of the things that cemented my progressiveness in the 2000s. I get that you feel personally involved in this stuff, and are reacting honestly. I don't think I down-dinged you for it here.
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laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:50:43pm |
re: #526 McSpiff
re: #544 allegro
Of course there will be survivors for whom the damage will already have been done. The concern would have to be how to minimize the risk of these riots happening again.
Adding more and more security cameras only creates more paranoia. Perhaps the problem with the "government assistance" to these neighborhoods is that it's not going where it should be going - to helping get those kids into productive lives... and not in the bobbys' vans.
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ProGunLiberal Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:50:51pm |
So, before I go bed, we have 5 cities having trouble after tonight.
London
Birmingham
Manchester
Liverpool
Leeds
All of these cities are in England.
Please don't let this get to Northern Ireland. Tensions there are several times higher.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:51:56pm |
re: #549 ProLifeLiberal
So, before I go bed, we have 5 cities having trouble after tonight.
London
Birmingham
Manchester
Liverpool
LeedsAll of these cities are in England.
Please don't let this get to Northern Ireland. Tensions there are several times higher.
Glad that my cousin and her family are here in the states then. How is Wales looking per chance? Got another cousin that lives in Cardiff.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:53:04pm |
re: #536 Dark_Falcon
The thing is that this isn't the first time OCSP has gotten into fights like this, more like the 5th. When someone keeps getting into the same type of fight, you start to wonder if maybe they're provoking those fights.
So the fuck what? Some of us are harsh, we say what we're thinking even when we know there'll be blowback, you can deal with it or not. NT blatantly misrepresented what she said, he wasn't confused, he didn't misunderstand, he was just lying and addressing a bullshit strawman. That in itself is impolite, it's lazy and an insult to intellect. If you want to support that crap, justify and make excuses for it that's your choice.
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BishopX Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:53:29pm |
re: #549 ProLifeLiberal
I'd like to note that there have been several not-so small riots in northern Ireland over the past month or so. Mostly over sectarian things, but I think it's the same economic tinderbox.
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BishopX Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:54:52pm |
And it being 2am here, sleep beckons. Have a good night everyone.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:55:10pm |
re: #539 BishopX
I know. I lurk a whole bunch more than I post (mutli-tasking addiction ftw), and I've read enough of her stuff get how hard to deal with she can be. That said, I rarely find her abrasive enough to down-ding. Naso is another story.
Well thanks, I do appreciate that. A couple people here have some kind of personal issue, but that happens.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:56:43pm |
re: #551 goddamnedfrank
I commented on a pattern I saw. I didn't notice the misrepresentation you refer to.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:58:51pm |
re: #552 BishopX
I'd like to note that there have been several not-so small riots in northern Ireland over the past month or so. Mostly over sectarian things, but I think it's the same economic tinderbox.
I think the Unionists were doing their annual Battle of the Boyne celebration in early July. That always stirs up hostilities.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:59:23pm |
re: #548 laZardo
re: #544 allegro
Of course there will be survivors for whom the damage will already have been done. The concern would have to be how to minimize the risk of these riots happening again.
Guns! Tanks!! Repression, threats of violence carried out by a show of force!!!!
Otherwise, they might think ill of us!
Adding more and more security cameras only creates more paranoia. Perhaps the problem with the "government assistance" to these neighborhoods is that it's not going where it should be going - to helping get those kids into productive lives... and not in the bobbys' vans.
Criminals! Welfare cheats!!!! Drug dealing cop killers!!! They're animals anyway, so let them lose their souls!!!
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Aug 8, 2011 10:59:53pm |
The problem with extremists is the same, regardless of ideology. They don't know how to compromise. It is a major societal danger.
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ProGunLiberal Mon, Aug 8, 2011 11:00:08pm |
re: #550 HappyWarrior
Okay so far, though Liverpool is right next door.
I'm Liberal, but at this point, your going to want to bring Ireland in to help with Northern Ireland to make sure it doesn't go ass over tea kettle
France can help with England, and request help from Scotland. This is getting dangerously out of control. England got its wakeup call about disaffected minorities. Stop this now.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 8, 2011 11:00:59pm |
re: #542 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
If straw man is the best you've got, and I see you're not alone in it, then that's on you.
As I said already, you're not in any competition with me. There's no reason to act like it.
Laugh alright, alright I'll cut it out. That one was me just messing with you.
You always react. I could be guaranteed that no matter how stupid or sarcastic what I posted was, you'd react. Honestly, me declaring myself winner? That's dumb. Like lets be honest, its a step above "you're rubber and I'm glue". I'd suggest either ignoring it, or upping the absurdity. Challenge me to a duel or something next time.
Don't assume the other poster is getting emotional. You'll know when people are emotional because Charles will be handing out timeouts or bans. I'm not mad at you, I'm enjoying this. Same with a few other posters I imagine. None of my opinions are held so dear that you disagreeing will hurt me.
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Eclectic Infidel Mon, Aug 8, 2011 11:02:36pm |
Here's a video of British police retreating from a violent mob:
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allegro Mon, Aug 8, 2011 11:04:19pm |
re: #557 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
None of those quotes were mine. You are wearing very thin on my patience. That pretty much blew through it.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Aug 8, 2011 11:04:56pm |
re: #559 ProLifeLiberal
Okay so far, though Liverpool is right next door.
I'm Liberal, but at this point, your going to want to bring Ireland in to help with Northern Ireland to make sure it doesn't go ass over tea kettle
France can help with England, and request help from Scotland. This is getting dangerously out of control. England got its wakeup call about disaffected minorities. Stop this now.
That's good about Wales. The Europeans as a whole I think need to do a better job integratng minorities and immigrants in to their societies. For all our warts as a society, I think this is one thing we excel at. Canadians seem to do a nice job at it oto.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 8, 2011 11:06:05pm |
re: #548 laZardo
re: #544 allegro
Of course there will be survivors for whom the damage will already have been done. The concern would have to be how to minimize the risk of these riots happening again.
Adding more and more security cameras only creates more paranoia. Perhaps the problem with the "government assistance" to these neighborhoods is that it's not going where it should be going - to helping get those kids into productive lives... and not in the bobbys' vans.
You could be absolutely correct. But that doesn't change the reality on the ground that those kids are currently looting and torching buildings. That's something to look at in the future, but the concern now has to be restoring law and order, and arresting those who are committing the crimes.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 11:06:41pm |
re: #560 McSpiff
Laugh alright, alright I'll cut it out. That one was me just messing with you.
You always react.
You react to me, I react to you. What's wrong with it?
Please, all it takes is me saying the word "welfare" for someone to go into their act of having a cow.
For a certain member who is not here right now, all it takes is me SHOWING UP and they react. This tells me the problem is with them. Put that in your resistance to criticism and critique lol
None of my opinions are held so dear that you disagreeing will hurt me.
Ok well, at this point, you will not be surprised to hear me say the feeling is quite mutual. That goes for you and your giggling friends.
So, let's all lol together, but keep in mind, it only gets under the skin when I say it.
rotfl
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ProGunLiberal Mon, Aug 8, 2011 11:08:31pm |
re: #563 HappyWarrior
The US does better than Europe, but not as good as Canada.
Certain regions in the US are pretty bad. Hopefully this will be a wake-up call to us too.
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laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 11:08:49pm |
re: #564 McSpiff
I've cooled off a bit to say that the fact that some units are actually going in and making arrests is actually a good thing.
But given the spread of the riots, it's going to come to a point where the only method of 'suppressing' them is with the 00 gauge and hollow-points. As it were.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 8, 2011 11:09:03pm |
I've had all of the discussion on this matter I care to have.
Goodnight.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 11:09:38pm |
re: #562 allegro
None of those quotes were mine. You are wearing very thin on my patience. That pretty much blew through it.
Who in the world said anything about you in those quotes?
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HappyWarrior Mon, Aug 8, 2011 11:10:06pm |
re: #566 ProLifeLiberal
The US does better than Europe, but not as good as Canada.
Certain regions in the US are pretty bad. Hopefully this will be a wake-up call to us too.
Yeah I have to agree about that. I was fortunate to grow up in a diverse area where immigrants and their children were accepted by and large but you're right that there are many regions where hostility towards immigrants does exist. It's something all nations truly need to work on. After all, we all share this planet.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 11:13:10pm |
re: #567 laZardo
I've cooled off a bit to say that the fact that some units are actually going in and making arrests is actually a good thing.
But given the spread of the riots, it's going to come to a point where the only method of 'suppressing' them is with the 00 gauge and hollow-points. As it were.
And there will be a lot of people in the states cheering it on, whatever it is.
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allegro Mon, Aug 8, 2011 11:14:29pm |
re: #569 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Who in the world said anything about you in those quotes?
The quotes appeared in your post to be attributed to me. PIYF
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 8, 2011 11:14:40pm |
re: #565 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I'm not going to expect you to read through all 6,000+ comments of mine, but would you agree that maybe, just maybe I've criticized other members here before?
And hey, if you were posting things to get a reaction out of me, good on ya. Turn about is always fair play.
The resistance to "lol" and "rotfl" is from long before you ever showed up. We had several authors and professional writers of various types here. They were absolutely vicious when it came to any sort of internet slang. No lol, no :), nada. To be honest, I liked the emphasis on correct spelling, grammer, composition. I know it forced me to put more time into each post. Anyways, a few posters leave/get banned, new ones like Varek and WUB show up with their various internet lingos and it more or less becomes accepted. Except that the old timers will still complain. That's not particular to you, although I can see why you might have thought it was.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 11:18:15pm |
re: #572 allegro
The quotes appeared in your post to be attributed to me. PIYF
Uh, in wingnut mode, not "allegro" mode.
Does your monitor not register the color purple? I'd like those patience points back, please.
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ProGunLiberal Mon, Aug 8, 2011 11:18:25pm |
re: #566 ProLifeLiberal
Going to bed now.
However, Bristol is also having trouble apparently.
6th city.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 8, 2011 11:18:34pm |
re: #567 laZardo
I've cooled off a bit to say that the fact that some units are actually going in and making arrests is actually a good thing.
Agreed
But given the spread of the riots, it's going to come to a point where the only method of 'suppressing' them is with the 00 gauge and hollow-points. As it were.
So...? Hope they end on their own? Spell it out for me, what do you feel should happen next?
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laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 11:22:29pm |
re: #576 McSpiff
I think the police should actually take the risk to go in and subdue them with non-lethal force. Like, right the fuck now.
Once the riots have been subdued, city/county-equivalent governments must begin a real community outreach to figure out why they broke out in the first place.
And a "lack of security cameras/telescreens watching people's every move on the street" must NOT be considered a valid reason.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 11:22:42pm |
re: #573 McSpiff
I'm not going to expect you to read through all 6,000+ comments of mine, but would you agree that maybe, just maybe I've criticized other members here before?
Well it's fine if you have -- no one is beholden to alter what they're doing just because you criticize it.
More personally, it's also fine if you say you're criticizing me. If the goal is to change either the content or manner of my posts it will never work. But an exchange between two adults, now that's a different matter altogether.
And hey, if you were posting things to get a reaction out of me, good on ya. Turn about is always fair play.
Well, I wasn't, but if that was the result...I'm not sure what to tell you.
It's not personal, never was.
Thx for the explanation about rotfl and lol as re: LGF. Always good to know.
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allegro Mon, Aug 8, 2011 11:27:03pm |
re: #574 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Uh, in wingnut mode, not "allegro" mode.
Does your monitor not register the color purple? I'd like those patience points back, please.
The error is the system's for doing quotebacks as it does when you did whatever you did to answer a particular post. It it yours for not looking back when I objected righteously to being credited for what I did not say.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Mon, Aug 8, 2011 11:36:46pm |
re: #579 allegro
The error is the system's
No, it isn't. The [ wingnut] tag is used when people parody wingnut views, which is exactly what that post did.
No one reading post #557 will ever mistake you for having said what's in purple. That's all me and everyone knows it.
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laZardo Mon, Aug 8, 2011 11:50:17pm |
Headan to bed. Mom (moved with me to Seattle) got an interview with Safeway for a Deli Clerk position, hoping she makes it.
Also I just noticed the guy with sunglasses on the top of the cover and I thought he would give advice on how to deflect the stare.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 9, 2011 12:05:33am |
re: #581 laZardo
Headan to bed. Mom (moved with me to Seattle) got an interview with Safeway for a Deli Clerk position, hoping she makes it.
Best to her, hope she gets it!
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Aug 9, 2011 12:11:30am |
Video time! Apropos methinks.
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laZardo Tue, Aug 9, 2011 12:29:19am |
OH SHIT THEY'RE BACK
question is...how will they make fun of music videos now that MTV doesn't show music anymore?
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Aug 9, 2011 12:30:54am |
re: #584 laZardo
OH SHIT THEY'RE BACK
[Video]question is...how will they make fun of music videos now that MTV doesn't show music anymore?
and.... can Bevis say "fire" again?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 9, 2011 12:32:19am |
re: #511 Dark_Falcon
Fine: I find you to be glib about things that one should not be glib about, and I think you dismiss any thought of using lawful force as a sign of a "police state mind". You act like a lefty in Cloud Cuckoo Land.
I think you cling to the idea of big shows of scary, lethal force, to make up for a lack of control over your own affairs.
Does that make it so?
I think you're "glib" about social issues that affect millions upon millions of Americans, in order to cling to unearned social superiority you didn't even earn. Does that make it so?
I think a lot of your posts sound like a frightened child trembling behind big daddy law enforcement and big mama conservatives-rule government to give you bennies for being a good conformist, afraid of appearing to be different in any way.
Does that make it so?
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engineer cat Tue, Aug 9, 2011 12:38:18am |
Fun With Strawmen, late nite edition
how bored are you?
OpenID [Link: WWW...]
"Add to this the progressive belief that human beings can be perfected through the rule of experts..."
And by coincidence (?) the progressives are the experts who can do the "perfecting." This self-serving tripe has caused much death, destruction and damage over the centuries and very little (I would say "none") perfecting. It is well past time for this miserable ideology to die. Maybe at last bankruptcy will finally kill it. Good riddance to miserable rubbish.
1:35 PM
Blogger XXX said...
Appearance over substance, ic. They don't want to actually be ethically superior, they just want to appear so. Self-deception is a large part of their psychology.
2:16 PM
Blogger YYY said...
Progressives don’t care about facts because they’re taught that feelings are “truer” than facts. And, they’re intellectually lazy. It takes no effort at all to feel but thinking requires effort. If feelings trump facts, why make the effort to form a coherent, logical thought?
betcha didn't know that, eh?
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Aug 9, 2011 12:43:40am |
re: #587 engineer dog
Fun With Strawmen, late nite edition
how bored are you?
OpenID [Link: WWW...]
"Add to this the progressive belief that human beings can be perfected through the rule of experts..."
And by coincidence (?) the progressives are the experts who can do the "perfecting." This self-serving tripe has caused much death, destruction and damage over the centuries and very little (I would say "none") perfecting. It is well past time for this miserable ideology to die. Maybe at last bankruptcy will finally kill it. Good riddance to miserable rubbish.
1:35 PM
Blogger XXX said...Appearance over substance, ic. They don't want to actually be ethically superior, they just want to appear so. Self-deception is a large part of their psychology.
2:16 PM
Blogger YYY said...Progressives don’t care about facts because they’re taught that feelings are “truer” than facts. And, they’re intellectually lazy. It takes no effort at all to feel but thinking requires effort. If feelings trump facts, why make the effort to form a coherent, logical thought?
betcha didn't know that, eh?
What means Progressives?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 9, 2011 12:44:20am |
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engineer cat Tue, Aug 9, 2011 12:46:22am |
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engineer cat Tue, Aug 9, 2011 12:49:51am |
ok, here is something more edifying suitable for civilized and well eddicated peoples:
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 9, 2011 12:51:48am |
re: #591 engineer dog
Very alchemical. I like it.
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:13:20am |
re: #592 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Very alchemical. I like it.
You might like Mark Ryden's stuff...... a lot of meat and Abe Lincoln.
Click around.... you'll see.
[Link: markryden.com...]
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:25:01am |
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:30:40am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:14:21am |
re: #394 Dark_Falcon
And Brookly Red was a registered Democrat. Ideas matter, not party registration.
His ideas on this are not liberal in the slightest.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:24:57am |
I see the scum is still rioting. Sheesh.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:34:56am |
re: #600 Cannadian Club Akbar
Привет.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:39:55am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:41:16am |
re: #603 Cannadian Club Akbar
Love SP dearly, but boy, can they be idiots at times...
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:43:02am |
re: #604 Sergey Romanov
(Assuming that's an SP clip, which I don't know since I'm at work.)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:44:10am |
re: #605 Sergey Romanov
Not an SP clip, but I believe they gave him the name.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:45:43am |
re: #606 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yeah, they did.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:48:34am |
re: #607 Sergey Romanov
A bit of Text from the clip:
The model of media manipulation used then, Gore said, “was transported whole cloth into the climate debate. And some of the exact same people — I can go down a list of their names — are involved in this. And so what do they do? They pay pseudo-scientists to pretend to be scientists to put out the message: ‘This climate thing, it’s nonsense. Man-made CO2 doesn’t trap heat. It may be volcanoes.’ Bullshit! ‘It may be sun spots.’ Bullshit! ‘It’s not getting warmer.’ Bullshit!” Gore exclaimed.
Linky here. (I have never heard of this paper)
[Link: coloradoindependent.com...]
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:52:22am |
re: #608 Cannadian Club Akbar
Well, do you find anything objectionable? I would make one exception - all deniers cannot be called paid shills, many do it out of conviction and for free.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:54:11am |
re: #609 Sergey Romanov
Well, do you find anything objectionable? I would make one exception - all deniers cannot be called paid shills, many do it out of conviction and for free.
No, I agree. It's just funny to hear Gore go off. He's a pretty laid back dude, usually.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:56:04am |
re: #610 Cannadian Club Akbar
No, I agree. It's just funny to hear Gore go off. He's a pretty laid back dude, usually.
Righteous anger at the fuckers who poison the discourse.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:59:02am |
re: #611 Sergey Romanov
Righteous anger at the fuckers who poison the discourse.
True. But then there are folks who think everything causes global warming. These are the people that turn people away from the argument. Here is one.
[Link: news.cnet.com...]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:02:01am |
re: #612 Cannadian Club Akbar
And then there is this...
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:06:12am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:06:30am |
re: #612 Cannadian Club Akbar
True. But then there are folks who think everything causes global warming. These are the people that turn people away from the argument. Here is one.
[Link: news.cnet.com...]
I don't see what's supposed to be wrong with it. It's a truism - we all contribute to AGW. If we live separately, we contribute even more. It's not alarmism, nobody says "oooh, let's all live together or AGW will eat us" or something. It's simple number-crunching.
Here's that study:
[Link: www.pnas.org...]
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:07:55am |
re: #613 Cannadian Club Akbar
No comment necessary, I believe ;)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:14:43am |
re: #615 Sergey Romanov
I takes away from the argument and makes it look petty. Cows? GW. Divorce? GW. Sending a comment to a blog therefore using more energy? GW. And don't get me wrong, it's not all of them. But perception is reality.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:20:07am |
re: #617 Cannadian Club Akbar
But again, this is not the authors' fault. They mention climate change a single time:
Because of higher consumption per person, an individual in a divorced household may also generate more waste (solid, liquid, and gaseous material like greenhouse gases) that contributes to global environmental changes such as climate change and biodiversity loss (7, 19, 20).
They don't claim that this is a primary or even a significant factor. They simply say there is a contribution. So perhaps the person at CNET should be blamed for utterly distorting the conclusions of the study? Because contrary to what she writes, the authors do not imply that "people with failed marriages can be blamed for global warming" (i.e. serve as one of the significant causes).
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RogueOne Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:21:29am |
BTW, what is going on with Newsweek? The mormon/romney photo cover and now this one? I love Tina Brown and I read the Daily Beast, um, daily but they're going to have to put an adult in charge of newsweek if they want anyone to take it seriously.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:22:24am |
re: #620 RogueOne
BTW, what is going on with Newsweek? The mormon/romney photo cover and now this one? I love Tina Brown and I read the Daily Beast, um, daily but they're going to have to put an adult in charge of newsweek if they want anyone to take it seriously.
Should they have photoshopped MB to look normal?
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Shropshire_Slasher Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:22:31am |
Bachmann's glaze is similar to Geithner's sycophantic look, coincidence? I don't think so.
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RogueOne Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:23:14am |
re: #619 Sergey Romanov
But again, this is not the authors' fault. They mention climate change a single time:
They don't claim that this is a primary or even a significant factor. They simply say there is a contribution. So perhaps the person at CNET should be blamed for utterly distorting the conclusions of the study? Because contrary to what she writes, the authors do not imply that "people with failed marriages can be blamed for global warming" (i.e. serve as one of the significant causes).
what's good for the goose, etc...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:23:45am |
re: #621 Sergey Romanov
Should they have photoshopped MB to look normal?
I'm sure they had more then 1 pic. Media outlets have biases.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:24:10am |
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RogueOne Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:24:22am |
re: #621 Sergey Romanov
Should they have photoshopped MB to look normal?
I understand they have a bias, and they're entitled to it, but if they want to be considered a "real" news mag they're going to have to settle down a bit.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:25:20am |
re: #624 Cannadian Club Akbar
I'm sure they had more then 1 pic. Media outlets have biases.
I don't see Bachmann as a legitimate player, so I'm OK with whatever they did.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:26:42am |
re: #626 RogueOne
I understand they have a bias, and they're entitled to it, but if they want to be considered a "real" news mag they're going to have to settle down a bit.
Why can't a real news mag mock clowns?
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RogueOne Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:29:21am |
re: #625 Sergey Romanov
Sorry, didn't get it.
The AGW crowd gets caught routinely mis-representing reality and calling it "science!". When you've led for decades with doom and gloom, millions dead, billions dislocated, "we're all gonna die!", and then it turns out the warming is barely within the margin of error on the lowest scale possible....it should be hard to get worked up when the other side uses the same tactics.
My problem with the AGW crowd has always been when they say "we're 95-99% certain!". Knowing how little we actually know and knowing that every year we learn half a dozen things about our planet that are counter to what we thought...it makes my bullshit meter go off every time I hear it.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:29:35am |
re: #627 Sergey Romanov
I don't see Bachmann as a legitimate player, so I'm OK with whatever they did.
Oh, I don't either. But many people don't think the media is biased, when they are. Unless Fox is brought up. Then there's bias, which Fox is.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:31:21am |
re: #630 Cannadian Club Akbar
Oh, I don't either. But many people don't think the media is biased, when they are. Unless Fox is brought up. Then there's bias, which Fox is.
Biased in what sense? I don't think not taking someone like Bachmann - or Al Sharpton, or Dennis Kucinich - seriously is being biased.
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RogueOne Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:31:33am |
re: #628 Sergey Romanov
Why can't a real news mag mock clowns?
They pissed off the mormons with the romney cover and this one even got NOW all worked up. What kind of reaction do you think they'll get if they do a cover like this with the president?
If this were the cover of the daily beast that would be one thing but newsweek is supposed to be a serious publication. Don't get me wrong, I don't care enough to get worked up but it's kind of sad to see Newsweek go down like this.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:32:27am |
re: #629 RogueOne
The AGW crowd gets caught routinely mis-representing reality and calling it "science!". When you've led for decades with doom and gloom, millions dead, billions dislocated, "we're all gonna die!"
Who said that?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:32:52am |
re: #631 Sergey Romanov
Biased as in pushing an agenda as opposed to reporting the news. I just need the news, not their opinion of it.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:34:20am |
re: #632 RogueOne
They pissed off the mormons with the romney cover and this one even got NOW all worked up. What kind of reaction do you think they'll get if they do a cover like this with the president?
OK, looked up Romney's, and it was pretty bad. Don't compare Bachmann's to the Pres' tho, not within a 1000 miles.
| 636 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:35:38am |
I googled "Throbbing Memo" just for shits and giggles. Heh.
[Link: www.google.com...]
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:35:51am |
re: #634 Cannadian Club Akbar
Biased as in pushing an agenda as opposed to reporting the news. I just need the news, not their opinion of it.
I don't think the covers prove anything much in the direction.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:37:18am |
re: #637 Sergey Romanov
I don't think the covers prove anything much in the direction.
They picked a picture to make her look nuts (which she is). They prolly had 50 pics to choose from.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:37:51am |
re: #638 Cannadian Club Akbar
They picked a picture to make her look nuts (which she is). They prolly had 50 pics to choose from.
You say she is nuts. So their cover is objective, no?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:38:50am |
re: #639 Sergey Romanov
You say she is nuts. So their cover is objective, no?
They are supposed to present news in an unbiased way. They (and most outlets these days) fail at that.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:38:50am |
To repeat, Romney's cover was pretty bad, but was their reporting on Romney condemned as biased?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:39:19am |
re: #640 Cannadian Club Akbar
They are supposed to present news in an unbiased way. They (and most outlets these days) fail at that.
Again, she is nuts. They show that she is nuts. That's unbiased.
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RogueOne Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:41:21am |
re: #633 Sergey Romanov
Who said that?
C'mon man. Don't play like that.
No more snow:
[Link: www.independent.co.uk...]
More snow:
[Link: www.npr.org...]
WE'RE ALL GONNA DROWN:
[Link: news.nationalgeographic.com...]
50 Million refugees!
[Link: newsbusters.org...]
and the list goes on. They always pimp the worst case scenario, it's like a bad episode of "scared straight"
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:41:45am |
Being offensive or straightforward doesn't mean being biased.
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RogueOne Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:42:22am |
re: #635 Sergey Romanov
OK, looked up Romney's, and it was pretty bad. Don't compare Bachmann's to the Pres' tho, not within a 1000 miles.
I'm just saying if they pulled the same thing with Obama that they have with romney and bachmann there would be an uproar. Especially the romney pic.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:42:40am |
re: #640 Cannadian Club Akbar
They are supposed to present news in an unbiased way. They (and most outlets these days) fail at that.
Reporters are not supposed to report in an unbiased way. I have no idea why people think that. When reporting on Iran stoning women to death, reporters don't have to pretend that that's okay. When they're reporting on someone who thinks gays are abominations, they really don't have to give that idea equal time.
What reporters are supposed to do is to be transparent about where they're coming from. The model of this is Murray Kempton.
They're also supposed to take into account their own biases and make sure that those aren't distorting the story.
But 'unbiased' is an impossible state to reach for a reporter who is reporting on issues of any importance.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:45:32am |
re: #643 RogueOne
"They". Like those who are warning about the dangers of AGW are all one group. What a crock.
Yes, the media often sensationalizes AGW reporting-- as they do most stuff. Yes, not all of the predictions made by everyone involved in global warming have been accurate.
But the truth of the matter is that AGW is happening faster than the worst-case scenario projections put out by scientists. As far as actual scientific predictions go, things are worse than we thought. And getting worse every day.
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RogueOne Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:52:38am |
re: #647 Obdicut
The warming is barely within the margin of error on the lowest scale. Did anyone say during the last 20 years that "It might barely get warmer"? No. All we heard was the stuff designed to scare people into compliance. I don't blame them for doing it necessarily, fear has been the best sales pitch since before humans had a written language, but that doesn't make it right.
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RogueOne Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:54:57am |
I'd love to take the morning to get beat on for my AGW beliefs, or non-total belief, but I'm still bruised after yesterday.///
I have a busy day ahead to get ready for a trip to Detroit tomorrow. Enjoy the day people!
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:58:01am |
re: #648 RogueOne
The warming is barely within the margin of error on the lowest scale.
Can you back that statement up, please? It's completely false. Every measurement on every scale shows warming-- with about seven independent measurements giving correlation, saying that this is within the margin of error is either willful misunderstanding or simple ignorance on your part.
[Link: www.noaanews.noaa.gov...]
Based on comprehensive data from multiple sources, the report defines 10 measurable planet-wide features used to gauge global temperature changes. The relative movement of each of these indicators proves consistent with a warming world. Seven indicators are rising: air temperature over land, sea-surface temperature, air temperature over oceans, sea level, ocean heat, humidity and tropospheric temperature in the “active-weather” layer of the atmosphere closest to the Earth’s surface. Three indicators are declining: Arctic sea ice, glaciers and spring snow cover in the Northern hemisphere.
Here's a scale of the heat anomalies that should hopefully give you an idea of how off-base you are.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:59:12am |
re: #649 RogueOne
I'd love to take the morning to get beat on for my AGW beliefs, or non-total belief, but I'm still bruised after yesterday.///
Try having an opinion that's based in fact and not an ideological position, and it'll be less easy to show how unfounded and ass-backwards that position is.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:02:03am |
Media bias is real. From 2005:
[Link: newsroom.ucla.edu...]
But here are some snips:
Five news outlets — "NewsHour With Jim Lehrer," ABC's "Good Morning America," CNN's "NewsNight With Aaron Brown," Fox News' "Special Report With Brit Hume" and the Drudge Report — were in a statistical dead heat in the race for the most centrist news outlet. Of the print media, USA Today was the most centrist.
And...
Another finding that contradicted conventional wisdom was that the Drudge Report was slightly left of center.
Heh.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:03:41am |
re: #643 RogueOne
C'mon man. Don't play like that.
No more snow:
[Link: www.independent.co.uk...]More snow:
[Link: www.npr.org...]WE'RE ALL GONNA DROWN:
[Link: news.nationalgeographic.com...]50 Million refugees!
[Link: newsbusters.org...]and the list goes on. They always pimp the worst case scenario, it's like a bad episode of "scared straight"
Well, I looked through your links and didn't find anything close your initial claims about supposed "AGW crowd" claims. Some of what you linked to is absolutely reasonable - e.g. more snow article or rise of sea level IF the ice melts. Some is more alarmist, like the refugee predictions (which a reasonable in principle, just speculative when put into specific timeframes).
Don't take it personally, or as an attempt to Godwin the thread, but it reminds me very much of the Holocaust deniers' arguments (because that's what I deal with). They always say that just because there has been so much bullshit and exaggeration in the Holocaust claims (like never-existent steam chambers, electrical chambers, vacuum chambers, 4,000,000 victims of Auschwitz (now estimated at 1,000,000 victims), 1,500,000 victims of Majdanek (now estimated at 80,000 victims), 3,000,000 victims of Treblinka (now estimated at 800,000 victims), gas chamber claims for the camps where those didn't exist (like Buchenwald), false claims against real or alleged perpetrators (like Walus and Demjanjuk) etc.), then all Holocaust claims are suspect. This is more of the same - poisoning of the wells, presenting the opposition as monolithic "they" (that make the claims), etc.
I call bullshit on that. I couldn't care less if there were some alarmist predictions in the media - that doesn't change the facts and that doesn't excuse misrepresentation on part of the "skeptics".
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:05:12am |
re: #645 RogueOne
I'm just saying if they pulled the same thing with Obama that they have with romney and bachmann there would be an uproar. Especially the romney pic.
There was an offensive New Yorker cover that did cause an uproar. Is New Yorker biased against Obama?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:10:27am |
re: #654 Sergey Romanov
There was an offensive New Yorker cover that did cause an uproar. Is New Yorker biased against Obama?
The one from 2008?
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:10:55am |
re: #652 Cannadian Club Akbar
That one study gets cited over and over as though it definitely proved media bias for all time. It's weird. Most people who cite that study don't even know how it was conducted, or ask themselves if, say, those running that study have any bias. The problem of analyzing bias-- especially when using a stupid left/right scale that obviously tells us nothing about any serious political position-- is immense.
Again: bias is always going to occur in reporting. The job of the reporter is not to find some mythical objectivity which doesn't actually exist, but to not let their own biases interfere with reporting.
Of course, the modern media is such a contemptible mess it doesn't matter much. There's a few people who actually do their research. Other media figures let complete lies go unchallenged, or repeat them themselves. It's a sad state.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:12:23am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:15:56am |
re: #656 Obdicut
Ok. I'm gonna make this as short as possible.
Years ago, when Dan Rather was still at CBS, they did a story about deaths of traffic workers. They showed a guy who was killed and had his wife crying in the piece with her kids around her. They went over everything (stats, etc) and basically ended the story with "the reason there are so many highway deaths of workers is because of the war (or wars)." Then, at the very end, they showed the dead guys tombstone. He was killed in the 90's. But that isn't media biased.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:16:44am |
re: #657 Sergey Romanov
I think so.
Maybe the New Yorker were Hillary fans? And I have it, but won't link to it.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:17:41am |
re: #659 Cannadian Club Akbar
Maybe the New Yorker were Hillary fans? And I have it, but won't link to it.
I think they just mocked the stereotypes. Maybe that's what NW did in Romney's case, which is why I bring this up.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:18:09am |
re: #657 Sergey Romanov
I think so.
Holy crap. That is brutal. I only looked at the cover real quick. The extra shit is WAY off base. But only satire.
/
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:18:52am |
That uproar was stupid, imo. But it also, imo, accomplished what it probably set out to, which was to highlight the utter, pathological hysteria about the Obamas in certain quarters.
It was very New Yorker, if that makes sense. I thought it was funny.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:20:49am |
re: #658 Cannadian Club Akbar
Ok. I'm gonna make this as short as possible.
Years ago, when Dan Rather was still at CBS, they did a story about deaths of traffic workers. They showed a guy who was killed and had his wife crying in the piece with her kids around her. They went over everything (stats, etc) and basically ended the story with "the reason there are so many highway deaths of workers is because of the war (or wars)." Then, at the very end, they showed the dead guys tombstone. He was killed in the 90's. But that isn't media biased.
What are you talking about? You're trying to cite one anecdote and say it proves some overwhelming media bias? I can't even tell what you're trying to say.
You also seem to be under the impression I'm denying media bias exists. It does; in every single story ever reported, or every story not reported-- as in, a story chosen or not chosen by the company as newsworthy-- there is bias.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:21:45am |
re: #658 Cannadian Club Akbar
Media bias, hmm. OK, let's take Chris Matthews. Everybody knows he is biased in Obama's favor. The same Matthews gushed over Bush, almost inappropriately. Is this bias? Yeah. Is this a left-wing or right-wing bias? Nuh-uh. So saying "media is biased" is not saying much. For example, the US media is obviously pro-US biased compared to foreign outlets. Is that bad? Good?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:22:37am |
re: #662 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
That uproar was stupid, imo. But it also, imo, accomplished what it probably set out to, which was to highlight the utter, pathological hysteria about the Obamas in certain quarters.
It was very New Yorker, if that makes sense. I thought it was funny.
Me too. It's just was stupid because yahoos wouldn't understand it and would take it seriously (as many did).
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:35:29am |
re: #662 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
That uproar was stupid, imo. But it also, imo, accomplished what it probably set out to, which was to highlight the utter, pathological hysteria about the Obamas in certain quarters.
It was very New Yorker, if that makes sense. I thought it was funny.
Are you talking about the New Yorker magazine cover from 2008?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:35:32am |
re: #591 engineer dog
ok, here is something more edifying suitable for civilized and well eddicated peoples:
That is good stuff.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:35:44am |
re: #665 Sergey Romanov
Me too. It's just was stupid because yahoos wouldn't understand it and would take it seriously (as many did).
To me, it was just a big, over-educated, liberal elitist snobbish, sniffing-down-our-noses-at-how-stupid-they-are swipe at Fox cons, dumb enough to swallow that "terrorist fist jab" nonsense literally or at least give it a pass. I was all for it.
This is hilarious:
Talk about mountain/molehill...then came the New Yorker cover. e_e
So f'n stupid.
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makeitstop Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:36:30am |
re: #621 Sergey Romanov
Should they have photoshopped MB to look
normalglamourous like all her other campaign pictures?
FTFY
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:37:24am |
Heh. The biggest bias I see in media is the stupidity and/or ignorance bias; reporters can't report on a story any more intelligently than they-- or whoever is writing their script-- can understand the story.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:38:50am |
2 Qs:
1. Is assuming that evolution is factual in a report a sign of bias?
2. Is assuming that AGW is factual in a report a sign of bias?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:39:51am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:43:53am |
re: #672 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Yes.
I found that offensive. Like I said earlier, after doing a quick glance I went and re looked at it.
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:47:58am |
It look like about 20 minutes to log in to LGF this morning. Fuck IE8 and the OS it rode in on.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:48:07am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:54:35am |
For those historically inclined, here's a Soviet documentary "Ordinary fascism" (or "Mere fascism"; 1965) by the famed Mikhail Romm, with English subtitles (you have to press "CC"):
Interestingly this film was a bit subversive - the intelligentsia was watching it and finding many parallels with the regime they were living under.
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The Yankee Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:02:50am |
If I brought one ounce of gold back in 2005 when the price was around $450 an ounce, and today the price is $1 700. And I cashed out would I have a profit of $1 280? Or is there more to it then that?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:05:45am |
Woman attempts Cuba to US swim:
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
My radio just said she stopped after half way.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:08:30am |
re: #677 The Yankee
There is a percentage tacked on when buying at "spot price". But you would have made lotsa money.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:09:27am |
re: #679 Cannadian Club Akbar
There is a percentage tacked on when buying at "spot price". But you would have made lotsa money.
Actually, a percentage or a flat rate. My bad.
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makeitstop Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:12:59am |
re: #678 Cannadian Club Akbar
Woman attempts Cuba to US swim:
[Link: www.cnn.com...]My radio just said she stopped after half way.
I don't blame her for stopping - the woman is 61 years old!
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The Yankee Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:13:27am |
I been debating on putting some of my money in the market. I wanted to do it when it crash in 2008 but didn't have enough. Right now I am thinking of putting about $3K in high risk part of the market and about $5K in something safe. But I am not sure what I go to to really learn something about the market.
I use to watch Mad Money a long long time ago but I always knew that, that was more an entertaining then informative. I don't even consider it to be of the Infotaining caliber of The Daily Show or Colbert Report.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:17:56am |
re: #681 makeitstop
I don't blame her for stopping - the woman is 61 years old!
I know she's 61. I don't even have the desire to boat that far.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:24:07am |
re: #682 The Yankee
If I were you I'd give all my money to the Etrade baby. That guy RULES!!!
///
*there was a You Tube video of the etrade baby losing everything, but it was yanked
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reine.de.tout Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:26:05am |
re: #646 Obdicut
Reporters are not supposed to report in an unbiased way. I have no idea why people think that. When reporting on Iran stoning women to death, reporters don't have to pretend that that's okay. When they're reporting on someone who thinks gays are abominations, they really don't have to give that idea equal time.
What reporters are supposed to do is to be transparent about where they're coming from. The model of this is Murray Kempton.
They're also supposed to take into account their own biases and make sure that those aren't distorting the story.
Reporters as individual people do indeed have their own opinions.
Bud Obdi, my dad was a reporter and editor for a newspaper for 40 years. Reporters report facts, even when the facts are inconvenient for their own personal opinions. Editorial staff analyzes and presents opinion.
But 'unbiased' is an impossible state to reach for a reporter who is reporting on issues of any importance.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:29:23am |
re: #685 reine.de.tout
Bud Obdi, my dad was a reporter and editor for a newspaper for 40 years. Reporters report facts, even when the facts are inconvenient for their own personal opinions. Editorial staff analyzes and presents opinion.
Sure, but then the cover can be seen as an editorial statement and doesn't mean that Newsweek's reporting is biased.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:29:48am |
re: #685 reine.de.tout
Format got screwed up.
That's supposed to be response to Obdi's 646, and my portion is this:
Reporters as individual people do indeed have their own opinions.
Bud Obdi, my dad was a reporter and editor for a newspaper for 40 years. Reporters report facts, even when the facts are inconvenient for their own personal opinions. Editorial staff analyzes and presents opinion.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:30:41am |
re: #686 Sergey Romanov
Sure, but then the cover can be seen as an editorial statement and doesn't mean that Newsweek's reporting is biased.
Which is fine for an editorial magazine.
I'm not convinced, personally, it's OK for a magazine that presents itself as a news magazine.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:31:10am |
re: #685 reine.de.tout
Bud Obdi, my dad was a reporter and editor for a newspaper for 40 years. Reporters report facts, even when the facts are inconvenient for their own personal opinions. Editorial staff analyzes and presents opinion.
Sure. But there's still bias. There's bias in what stories are covered and what stories aren't. There's bias in which facts get reported on. There is always bias, and pure objectivity is an impossible state to reach. Everyone in the US is biased (hopefully) towards the opinion that Democracy is a better system of government than Stalinism. Biases aren't inherently negative.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:32:02am |
This is what I do after drinking.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:32:16am |
re: #689 Obdicut
> Everyone in the US is biased (hopefully) towards the opinion that Democracy is a better system of government than Stalinism
Except Grover Furrrrrrrrrr///
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:32:47am |
re: #684 Cannadian Club Akbar
If I were you I'd give all my money to the Etrade baby. That guy RULES!!!
///*there was a You Tube video of the etrade baby losing everything, but it was yanked
The eTrade babies with the adult voices just creep me out.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:33:04am |
re: #689 Obdicut
Sure. But there's still bias. There's bias in what stories are covered and what stories aren't. There's bias in which facts get reported on. There is always bias, and pure objectivity is an impossible state to reach. Everyone in the US is biased (hopefully) towards the opinion that Democracy is a better system of government than Stalinism. Biases aren't inherently negative.
Everything you say is true.
But reporters are supposed to try to keep it out of their stories.
And editors finish the job (among other things).
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:34:14am |
re: #693 reine.de.tout
Everything you say is true.
But reporters are supposed to try to keep it out of their stories.
And editors finish the job (among other things).
Reporters are supposed to keep their opinion that, say, the US has more credibility than Iran out of their stories?
So if they're reporting on claims that the US and Iran are making, they should give equal weight to each one?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:34:30am |
re: #693 reine.de.tout
There is no strict borderline between facts and opinions, so there will always be some crossingover.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:35:18am |
Morning Lizardim. What's the topic of the day this beautiful, clear, and cool morning?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:35:56am |
re: #696 thedopefishlives
Bias in the media, AGW, drunken hooliganism.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:36:40am |
And the political impact of Botox and Photoshop.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:38:57am |
re: #694 Obdicut
Reporters are supposed to keep their opinion that, say, the US has more credibility than Iran out of their stories?
So if they're reporting on claims that the US and Iran are making, they should give equal weight to each one?
Yes, they report what's being said.
And they report what the other side responds.
With no editorializing about it (except by the editorial staff, or the investigative reporters).
Well, at least that was the way it was taught to me when I was in journalism school; and it's the way my dad operated. Things are obviously different now.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:39:09am |
re: #698 oaktree
And the political impact of Botox and Photoshop.
I weighed in a little bit on that last night. I think the practice of retouching photos has gotten way out of hand. The easy access to retouching tools, and the ease of use of said tools, has made it way too convenient to airbrush away inconvenient detail in the name of political expediency.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:42:17am |
re: #699 reine.de.tout
Yes, they report what's being said.
And they report what the other side responds.
With no editorializing about it (except by the editorial staff, or the investigative reporters).Well, at least that was the way it was taught to me when I was in journalism school; and it's the way my dad operated. Things are obviously different now.
Wow. Well, I don't agree. I think if there's a debate between a Holocaust denier and a historian of the Holocaust, the reporter has an absolute duty to report that Holocaust denial is based in lies. I don't think presenting both sides is any sort of real objectivity.
If someone is reporting on Iran's claims that they have no gay people in their country, I would like to see the reporter state how incredibly unlikely that is, or tie in the oppression of gays in Iran against that.
When someone lies, I feel it is the duty of a reporter to expose that lie.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:43:01am |
re: #695 Sergey Romanov
There is no strict borderline between facts and opinions, so there will always be some crossingover.
That, say, a riot occurs, is a fact.
The reason for the riot will be an opinion of somebody.
The reporter can report that the rioters "claim to be rioting for this reason", and that is a fact, the rioters are making such claims.
But a reporter who says, "they are rioting because of this reason", has inserted his own opinion as to the cause of the riot.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:44:11am |
re: #701 Obdicut
Wow. Well, I don't agree. I think if there's a debate between a Holocaust denier and a historian of the Holocaust, the reporter has an absolute duty to report that Holocaust denial is based in lies. I don't think presenting both sides is any sort of real objectivity.
If someone is reporting on Iran's claims that they have no gay people in their country, I would like to see the reporter state how incredibly unlikely that is, or tie in the oppression of gays in Iran against that.
When someone lies, I feel it is the duty of a reporter to expose that lie.
It would be quite factual for a reporter to report that 99% of those claiming to be Holocaust experts are united in believing that Holocaust denial is a lie.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:45:18am |
re: #699 reine.de.tout
Yes, they report what's being said.
And they report what the other side responds.
With no editorializing about it (except by the editorial staff, or the investigative reporters).Well, at least that was the way it was taught to me when I was in journalism school; and it's the way my dad operated. Things are obviously different now.
Scientists find a new fossil that they say is important for writing evolutionary history. Creationists claim that the fossil proves their case that evolution is a lie. A real reporter:
1. Will show that he has no bias and will report what both sides say;
2. Will show his bias in favor scientific rather than kooky claims and will report what the scientists say without sullying his report with creationist claims, thus escaping the false balance in reporting.
Which of the two?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:46:50am |
re: #702 reine.de.tout
That, say, a riot occurs, is a fact.
The reason for the riot will be an opinion of somebody.
The reporter can report that the rioters "claim to be rioting for this reason", and that is a fact, the rioters are making such claims.
But a reporter who says, "they are rioting because of this reason", has inserted his own opinion as to the cause of the riot.
That is obvious, but cases are not always obvious.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:47:01am |
re: #703 reine.de.tout
It would be quite factual for a reporter to report that 99% of those claiming to be Holocaust experts are united in believing that Holocaust denial is a lie.
That's not true, though. The deniers claim to be holocaust experts as well, and they're united in saying that the Holocaust is a lie. So it's really not 99%. It's 99% of the real experts, but judging who is and who is not a real expert-- I don't see how you can do that without the reporter entering his 'opinion' into it.
Even calling it 'Holocaust denial' is biased, in that it indicates something exists, the Holocaust, which is denied by others. And that's a good thing.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:47:34am |
re: #704 Sergey Romanov
Scientists find a new fossil that they say is important for writing evolutionary history. Creationists claim that the fossil proves their case that evolution is a lie. A real reporter:
1. Will show that he has no bias and will report what both sides say;
2. Will show his bias in favor scientific rather than kooky claims and will report what the scientists say without sullying his report with creationist claims, thus escaping the false balance in reporting.
Which of the two?
The first one.
The newspaper or magazine or whatever can then interview a scientist, or do an investigative piece, or do an editorial piece or whatever. A straight news story will be simply, "scientists say this; creationists say this". Period.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:48:38am |
re: #707 reine.de.tout
The first one.
The newspaper or magazine or whatever can then interview a scientist, or do an investigative piece, or do an editorial piece or whatever. A straight news story will be simply, "scientists say this; creationists say this". Period.
Thank you. I obviously disagree. A real reporter simply won't pay attention to creationist noises at all.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:49:06am |
re: #707 reine.de.tout
Why should they interview creationists for the story in the first place, though? Why is what creationists are saying newsworthy?
Should the reporter note that nothing the creationists claim is in any way backed up by any facts?
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reine.de.tout Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:53:50am |
re: #706 Obdicut
That's not true, though. The deniers claim to be holocaust experts as well, and they're united in saying that the Holocaust is a lie. So it's really not 99%. It's 99% of the real experts, but judging who is and who is not a real expert-- I don't see how you can do that without the reporter entering his 'opinion' into it.
Even calling it 'Holocaust denial' is biased, in that it indicates something exists, the Holocaust, which is denied by others. And that's a good thing.
I made up the 99% to make my point.
The legal system here has a process by which they will recognize people all the time as "expert" witnesses, that is, people whose work or field of study has provided them with sufficient expertise to speak with some authority on a topic. And yes, judgment plays into it. But bias? A reporter will report this and that, and should not indicate one way or the other which one he believes is more credible. The editorial staff will take care of that, and present reasons why, etc.
I'm not saying it's easy to do, or that it gets done all the time. I'm saying it's what reporters should strive to do, and editors should strive to ensure in stories that are presented as straight news stories. At least, that's how it was for a long time, it's no longer the case at all. People readily accept in their news stories reporter's assessments and evaluations, and they accept it without question. Me? I take everything I read with a grain of salt, and make sure I do my own research for understanding those things I want to understand; I do not take a reporter's word for anything.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:54:11am |
Basically: A reporter should use all the tools available at his or her disposal to ascertain the truth, and then report that. They should not just report on the claims of others, but factcheck those claims and hold people accountable for those claims.
If they simply report what others are saying, they might as well just be a press release service.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:56:52am |
re: #710 reine.de.tout
I made up the 99% to make my point.
I know you did. That's why I let you know how far off that figure was. The reporter would not be able to use the solution you suggested. So where does that leave us? It leaves us with a reporter saying that some people say the holocaust happened, and some don't. That fails in the reporter's duty to inform the public of the truth.
The legal system here has a process by which they will recognize people all the time as "expert" witnesses, that is, people whose work or field of study has provided them with sufficient expertise to speak with some authority on a topic. And yes, judgment plays into it. But bias?
We're not talking about the legal system. I have no idea why you're bringing it up.
A reporter will report this and that, and should not indicate one way or the other which one he believes is more credible. The editorial staff will take care of that, and present reasons why, etc.
I don't know why you feel this way, though. What value is there in a reporter not fact-checking someone's claim? If someone says something false, why shouldn't the reporter state that it is false?
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reine.de.tout Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:57:44am |
re: #709 Obdicut
Why should they interview creationists for the story in the first place, though? Why is what creationists are saying newsworthy?
Should the reporter note that nothing the creationists claim is in any way backed up by any facts?
Right now, creationists would be interviewed because they are making inroads into local schools through various means, as we've seen here in Louisiana and in Texas.
In our local paper, stories with any sort of controversy attached end up being written about in the editorial pages, as well as in the news pages.
As I said, I don't care to argue this, and I don't care to get into any sort of "well, what about THIS? How should they handle THIS?" games.
I know what I learned, and I know how these things were discussed and talked about in my home growing up, by a person who was a reporter, an editor, and who also wrote investigative pieces for the paper he worked for. But I obviously somehow missed - something, and am wrong, and so let's let that be the end of it.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:59:58am |
re: #705 Sergey Romanov
That is obvious, but cases are not always obvious.
Exactly. These things are not always obvious, nor is this an easy mark to achieve. I never said it was. I'm simply making the point that reporters should make an effort to achieve this; and many today seem to me to be doing whatever they can to get their own opinion in there, rather than doing whatever they can to keep it out. So be it. It's why I don't take a news story for truth until I've done my own further looking into a topic that I see written about, that I have limited knowledge of.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:00:18am |
re: #713 reine.de.tout
As I said, I don't care to argue this, and I don't care to get into any sort of "well, what about THIS? How should they handle THIS?" games.
It's not a game, Reine. I'm attempting to communicate my point of view and using examples to do it. I'm sorry that you feel that I'm treating it like a 'game'.
I know what I learned, and I know how these things were discussed and talked about in my home growing up, by a person who was a reporter, an editor, and who also wrote investigative pieces for the paper he worked for. But I obviously somehow missed - something, and am wrong, and so let's let that be the end of it.
If you like. I'd rather that we could have an actual discussion on the topic, where you understand the point that I'm making-- that in any investigation, a reporter has to decide, at the very least, who to interview, which of the facts to report, and whether or not to mention that a certain claim is an absolute fabrication or not.
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iossarian Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:00:24am |
re: #713 reine.de.tout
Right now, creationists would be interviewed because they are making inroads into local schools through various means, as we've seen here in Louisiana and in Texas.
This is really the issue. News outlets that want to stay in business have to reflect the views of their readers to a certain extent. 'Twas always thus.
It would be nice if news outlets only reported objective truths* but that isn't how they operate.
* Provided they were reporting only objective truths you agreed with, of course.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:02:10am |
The problem with trying too much to be unbiased is creating a false balance where there is none. As the above examples with evolution deniers and Holocaust deniers show. Reporting on what the kooks say is unnecessary - unless the story is directly related to denial. Otherwise each evolution or Holocaust news item would have to contain a denier opinion - because they react to all those stories. Setting up kooks against scientists is creating two legitimate sides.
Not doing that, however, requires judgment. Which is just a variety of bias and opinion.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:05:01am |
re: #712 Obdicut
I know you did. That's why I let you know how far off that figure was. The reporter would not be able to use the solution you suggested. So where does that leave us? It leaves us with a reporter saying that some people say the holocaust happened, and some don't. That fails in the reporter's duty to inform the public of the truth.
We're not talking about the legal system. I have no idea why you're bringing it up.
I don't know why you feel this way, though. What value is there in a reporter not fact-checking someone's claim? If someone says something false, why shouldn't the reporter state that it is false?
A reporter can very easily find someone who is expert in a field. I brought up the legal system to illustrate that locating true experts is something that is done regularly, by the courts, and a reporter can do the same thing.
"Sergey Romanov, who has studied the Holocaust in depth for 30 years and has had x number of papers published on the topic, is considered an expert on the topic and he says . . .. ".
Those are all factual statements, and would make an impact. What the reporter has left out is any indication of whether or not he personally believes Sergey.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:05:36am |
re: #717 Sergey Romanov
Exactly. When doing a story about Harry Potter's influence on kid's literacy, there's no need to include the claim from nutjobs that Harry Potter leads children to satanism.
When reporting on the death of US army member, there is no need to include the Phelp's clan's opinion that he died because he was an evil gay-loving sinful bastard and God hated him.
When reporting on a geological discovery, there isn't a need to note that young earth creationists think the world is only 6000 years old.
And if someone reports a story about young earth creationists trying to get their beliefs entered into education, it is not only okay but ethically required of a reporter to note that those beliefs have no backing in science, and that the pseudoscience used to support those beliefs is fundamentally flawed.
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:06:03am |
Good morning, my fellow lizards. What's the good word?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:06:29am |
re: #720 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Good morning, my fellow lizards. What's the good word?
Bird.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:06:30am |
re: #718 reine.de.tout
A reporter can very easily find someone who is expert in a field. I brought up the legal system to illustrate that locating true experts is something that is done regularly, by the courts, and a reporter can do the same thing.
"Sergey Romanov, who has studied the Holocaust in depth for 30 years and has had x number of papers published on the topic, is considered an expert on the topic and he says . . .. ".
So why should the reporter interview Sergey, and not David Irving, the holocaust denier who has studied the Holocaust in depth for 30 years and written books on it?
Or any number of the other deniers?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:07:27am |
re: #723 Obdicut
somehow i know what's there without looking
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:08:40am |
re: #718 reine.de.tout
A reporter can very easily find someone who is expert in a field. I brought up the legal system to illustrate that locating true experts is something that is done regularly, by the courts, and a reporter can do the same thing.
"Sergey Romanov, who has studied the Holocaust in depth for 30 years and has had x number of papers published on the topic, is considered an expert on the topic and he says . . .. ".
Those are all factual statements, and would make an impact. What the reporter has left out is any indication of whether or not he personally believes Sergey.
There are many creationists with PhDs in relevant fields. E.g. geologist Andrew Snelling, who is a YEC. Prima facie he is an expert on geology, yet he will tell you Earth is 6000 y.o. Selection of experts can be biased too.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:08:45am |
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reine.de.tout Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:09:22am |
re: #717 Sergey Romanov
The problem with trying too much to be unbiased is creating a false balance where there is none. As the above examples with evolution deniers and Holocaust deniers show. Reporting on what the kooks say is unnecessary - unless the story is directly related to denial. Otherwise each evolution or Holocaust news item would have to contain a denier opinion - because they react to all those stories. Setting up kooks against scientists is creating two legitimate sides.
Not doing that, however, requires judgment. Which is just a variety of bias and opinion.
It is NOT necessary to have a denier option.
If a story is about a new evolutionary find, the story would be about that finding. If someone then sends a letter to the editor disputing that finding, where does that letter show up? In the editorial section. If a reporter then interviews the letter writer and writes a story about the interview, then the results of the interview a presented in a straight news story, without editorial comment. If the editors then want to make further analysis of that person and his statements, that shows up in the editorial section.
But I see a LOT of news stories, from all sides, that have inserted in them various reporter biases. Maybe I can recognize it because I grew up with it. I don't know. All I know is that it behooves everybody to become informed on topics apart from news reporting you see on a topic.
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:09:32am |
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:09:33am |
re: #722 Obdicut
So why should the reporter interview Sergey, and not David Irving, the holocaust denier who has studied the Holocaust in depth for 30 years and written books on it?
Or any number of the other deniers?
Or just interview a Holocaust survivor.
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iossarian Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:10:03am |
re: #719 Obdicut
What should a reporter do if he or she is on the fence about which version of events is true (having done a reasonable amount of fact-checking)?
Reporting both sides, at that point, guarantees that you are reporting at least one lie. On the other hand, only reporting one side gives you a 50% chance of reporting only lies.
At what point of certainty can you discard the opposing view?
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reine.de.tout Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:11:01am |
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:11:15am |
re: #727 reine.de.tout
Okay. Then, if you agree that a reporter reporting on an issue about the holocaust doesn't need to include the opinion of deniers that the holocaust didn't happen, isn't that a 'bias'-- a judgement call-- on the part of the reporter, that their claims have no merit or bearing on the story?
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:11:47am |
re: #729 Alouette
Or just interview a Holocaust survivor.
Don't you know? They're all in on the conspiracy! Got numbers tattooed into their forearms and all just to fool the rubes!
///
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:12:20am |
re: #730 iossarian
What should a reporter do if he or she is on the fence about which version of events is true (having done a reasonable amount of fact-checking)?
Reporting both sides, at that point, guarantees that you are reporting at least one lie. On the other hand, only reporting one side gives you a 50% chance of reporting only lies.
At what point of certainty can you discard the opposing view?
Obviously, when there's an uncertainty there should be an extended coverage, but deciding between certainty and uncertainty also shows bias/judgment/opinion. Not saying it's "good", it is what it is.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:13:10am |
re: #733 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Don't you know? They're all in on the conspiracy! Got numbers tattooed into their forearms and all just to fool the rubes!
///
Well, that's what some deniers say (srsly).
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:13:36am |
re: #730 iossarian
What should a reporter do if he or she is on the fence about which version of events is true (having done a reasonable amount of fact-checking)?
Reporting both sides, at that point, guarantees that you are reporting at least one lie. On the other hand, only reporting one side gives you a 50% chance of reporting only lies.
Er, there's also the possibility that both versions of events are somewhat true and somewhat wrong, which is often the case.
At what point of certainty can you discard the opposing view?
It's entirely a subjective judgement call, just like it is for anyone else. And the reporter should be honest about that. A reporter discards a hundred opposing views-- there aren't just 'two sides'-- on any story before writing it.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:13:41am |
re: #725 Sergey Romanov
There are many creationists with PhDs in relevant fields. E.g. geologist Andrew Snelling, who is a YEC. Prima facie he is an expert on geology, yet he will tell you Earth is 6000 y.o. Selection of experts can be biased too.
And all of those FACTS would be reported, and people would be left to form their own OPINIONS. There is no need for a reporter to say, "Andrew Snelling is a kook". Which is an editorial opinion, and one I agree with, but the reporter should not make that implication in his story.
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:13:59am |
re: #735 Sergey Romanov
Well, that's what some deniers say (srsly).
I believe it. When is determined to believe their own bullshit, they'll make any sort of excuse they need to way away inconvenient facts.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:15:48am |
re: #737 reine.de.tout
And all of those FACTS would be reported, and people would be left to form their own OPINIONS. There is no need for a reporter to say, "Andrew Snelling is a kook". Which is an editorial opinion, and one I agree with, but the reporter should not make that implication in his story.
Is it okay to say that Snelling's opinions about the age of the earth do not match up at all with observed reality?
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:16:24am |
re: #739 darthstar
Dear god...is it morning already?
Yes, I am quite certain that that large, burning ball of gas in the sky is the sun. I was shocked and confused myself, but the feeling goes away once you've had time to acclimate yourself to the reality.
//
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:16:50am |
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iossarian Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:17:29am |
re: #736 Obdicut
Er, there's also the possibility that both versions of events are somewhat true and somewhat wrong, which is often the case.
It's entirely a subjective judgement call, just like it is for anyone else. And the reporter should be honest about that. A reporter discards a hundred opposing views-- there aren't just 'two sides'-- on any story before writing it.
Ok, I see what you're arguing now. Then the question about creationism reporting just becomes a judgement call as well.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:18:46am |
re: #737 reine.de.tout
And all of those FACTS would be reported, and people would be left to form their own OPINIONS. There is no need for a reporter to say, "Andrew Snelling is a kook". Which is an editorial opinion, and one I agree with, but the reporter should not make that implication in his story.
Well, again, if someone writes: "Scientists say that this rock is 3.5 billion y.o., however geologist Dr. Andrew Snelling with 30 years of experience says that the methods used to date this rock are fallacious, and the rock is no older than 6000 y.o." I would find that an extremely bad reporting.
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makeitstop Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:19:26am |
re: #700 thedopefishlives
I weighed in a little bit on that last night. I think the practice of retouching photos has gotten way out of hand. The easy access to retouching tools, and the ease of use of said tools, has made it way too convenient to airbrush away inconvenient detail in the name of political expediency.
Fully agree.
It's funny to me that people are complaining about this photo - that is, by objective standards, really what she looks like.
They're complaining that the photo isn't glammed up and stylized, because it screws up their impression of Bachmann the Ideal.
They don't want a real person. They want a mockup of a real person. That's fucking batty.
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darthstar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:19:26am |
re: #742 thedopefishlives
Coffee's on the sidebar, my friend.
I wish. Cat's in my armpit, Dog's sleeping on the other side of my wife pinning her against me. Getting out of bed to pee is a challenge right now. And I have an 8am meeting - so it's early poop loop with the boys before heading over the hills and through the woods to the office.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:20:05am |
re: #743 iossarian
Ok, I see what you're arguing now. Then the question about creationism reporting just becomes a judgement call as well.
Yes. Every story contains tons of judgement calls, from who got interviewed to even doing the story in the first place. And while I think reporters should strive for objectivity about things that are speculative-- if they think someone's motives are bad, that's pure speculation, not backed up by fact, and interjecting that into the story is bad-- they should fact-check claims that are made to them in the course of writing that story.
If someone claims that Oslo is 50% Muslim, and they report that, they should also report that that claim is absolutely false.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:22:16am |
re: #738 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I believe it. When is determined to believe their own bullshit, they'll make any sort of excuse they need to way away inconvenient facts.
Some of them even say there were no crematoria in Auschwitz, only bakeries (those saying that are flat-earthers among the deniers, if you get my drift; still, it's shocking).
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:23:28am |
re: #748 Sergey Romanov
Or that there really weren't that many Jews to begin with. Or that Ashkenazi Jews are 'fake' Jews. Oy.
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darthstar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:25:25am |
re: #741 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Yes, I am quite certain that that large, burning ball of gas in the sky is the sun. I was shocked and confused myself, but the feeling goes away once you've had time to acclimate yourself to the reality.
//
The word "reality" should never be used except in quotation marks. --Mark Twain.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:25:44am |
re: #740 Obdicut
Is it okay to say that Snelling's opinions about the age of the earth do not match up at all with observed reality?
It's OK to say that Snelling's opinions about the age of the earth do not match up with the age of the earth as has been determined by proven dating technology. Which is an absolute fact.
There are ways to find and present factual information; and a reporter who isn't lazy will do it. What people find aggravating is when a reporter assumes people have the same knowledge/education he has, and makes an assertion without attributing it to other sources where the person can go to find additional information if they wish to.
I (sort of) wish I could stay. I've reserved the day today to catch up on a project that I'm woefully behind on.
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darthstar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:25:53am |
re: #748 Sergey Romanov
I have another word for them: assholes.
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iossarian Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:26:04am |
re: #747 Obdicut
I very much agree with this (of course, what to do about journalists who don't fact-check, or indeed deliberately report falsehoods, is a harder question).
There is also the question of which facts to report.
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:26:09am |
re: #748 Sergey Romanov
Some of them even say there were no crematoria in Auschwitz, only bakeries (those saying that are flat-earthers among the deniers, if you get my drift; still, it's shocking).
Like everything under the sun, there's degrees to conspiracy theories. Towards one end, there are those who entertain the theories due to inherent refusal to accept anything at face value, the folks who go "Well, it wouldn't surprise me if..."
At the other end are the fanatics, the ones who are so far down the rabbit hole, they haven't seen the light of day in decades. The ones who are willing to resort to physical violence in order to proclaim the veracity of their beliefs.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:27:56am |
re: #750 darthstar
The word "reality" should never be used except in quotation marks. --Mark Twain.
I reject your reality and substitute my own. --Adam Savage
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:28:33am |
re: #733 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Don't you know? They're all in on the conspiracy! Got numbers tattooed into their forearms and all just to fool the rubes!
///
And their family members walked through the door on the left and were never seen again! Taken up in the alien mothership!
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:28:36am |
re: #751 reine.de.tout
There are ways to find and present factual information; and a reporter who isn't lazy will do it. What people find aggravating is when a reporter assumes people have the same knowledge/education he has, and makes an assertion without attributing it to other sources where the person can go to find additional information if they wish to.
I absolutely agree with that, that a reporter should cite good sources for their claims beyond a certain level. I mean, not for citing that, say, Pittsburgh has not been taken over by man-eating rats, but more grey-area stuff.
My main point is that reporting on 'both' sides of an issue is a false, not a real, objectivity. A reporter's job is to figure out the truth and report that. It goes far beyond simply repeating what two sides of a debate says, but also analyzing the claims made by those sides and whether or not they're well-supported.
I (sort of) wish I could stay. I've reserved the day today to catch up on a project that I'm woefully behind on.
Good luck. We need an extra weekend to finish off our apartment, here.
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darthstar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:30:06am |
Time to run the boys...early meeting today. I wish everyone would synchronize their clocks to California.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:30:27am |
I hear there's a first lethal case in the British riots.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:31:41am |
re: #744 Sergey Romanov
Well, again, if someone writes: "Scientists say that this rock is 3.5 billion y.o., however geologist Dr. Andrew Snelling with 30 years of experience says that the methods used to date this rock are fallacious, and the rock is no older than 6000 y.o." I would find that an extremely bad reporting.
If I ever saw a reporter report something like that, I would write to the newspaper and ask he be fired. What an awful sentence!
If the TOPIC of the story was about a finding of some sort, then Snelling wouldn't be in there unless he issued an alternate finding. Then there would MAYBE be a story about his finding.
In other words, narrowing the topic of the story is not the same as a reporter inserting his own opinion as fact.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:33:34am |
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reine.de.tout Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:33:41am |
re: #757 Obdicut
I absolutely agree with that, that a reporter should cite good sources for their claims beyond a certain level. I mean, not for citing that, say, Pittsburgh has not been taken over by man-eating rats, but more grey-area stuff.
My main point is that reporting on 'both' sides of an issue is a false, not a real, objectivity. A reporter's job is to figure out the truth and report that. It goes far beyond simply repeating what two sides of a debate says, but also analyzing the claims made by those sides and whether or not they're well-supported.
Good luck. We need an extra weekend to finish off our apartment, here.
Ah, well, we were talking at cross-purposes. I never said a reporter should report both or all sides; if I did sort of say or imply that, it was an error on my part. My only point is that a reporter should avoid inserting his own opinion as fact. And that's done by finding experts, interviewing people, finding witnesses and interviewing them and then reporting what they say, and reporting it AS "so and so says".
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:35:42am |
re: #763 reine.de.tout
My only point is that a reporter should avoid inserting his own opinion as fact. And that's done by finding experts, interviewing people, finding witnesses and interviewing them and then reporting what they say, and reporting it AS "so and so says".
I agree, but I also think it involves saying "so and so says this, which does not match up with the actual facts. Such and such says this, which does match up with the actual facts."
In other words, what I feel strongly about is that a reporter has the job to fact-check statements made to them, not just by setting up a round-robin of competing experts but using his own judgement, his own opinion on which expert should be deemed credible. So, Sergey credible on Holocaust yes, David Irving credible on Holocaust, no.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:36:45am |
re: #759 Sergey Romanov
I hear there's a first lethal case in the British riots.
[Link: blogs.voanews.com...]
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reine.de.tout Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:41:23am |
If you will indulge me for a moment, I'd like to give you an illustration of what I think of as biased reporting. When I saw this story, I was just stunned.
A couple of years ago, I saw a story about a big traffic pileup because of a huge snowfall. There were apparently many vehicles caught up in this thing, people delayed, etc etc etc. This same year, there were a lot of stories about SUV's being dangerous to other vehicles on the road, gas guzzlers, etc.
So, I see a story that is about the record snow and the story is about the traffic snarls in the town that occurred as a result of snow piling up.
At the end of the story, the very last sentence of this story was:
"Many of the vehicles involved were SUV's".
I wanted to hit my head against the wall. Why was that in there? What was the point? How may of the vehicles were SUV's, what percentage? Did the SUV's cause all of the accidents, or were they victims of the snowfall just as the other vehicles were? What was the point of that sentence?
The only point of that sentence, that I could figure, was that the reporter really doesn't like SUV's and wants everybody to drive a Prius. Or something.
Because it made no sense in the context of the story; it was not a bit specific as to the actual number of SUV's, or the reason why this fact was important to the story, or whether the SUV's were the CAUSE of all or any of the accidents.
That's one way biased reporting gets sneaked in.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:42:58am |
re: #764 Obdicut
I agree, but I also think it involves saying "so and so says this, which does not match up with the actual facts. Such and such says this, which does match up with the actual facts."
In other words, what I feel strongly about is that a reporter has the job to fact-check statements made to them, not just by setting up a round-robin of competing experts but using his own judgement, his own opinion on which expert should be deemed credible. So, Sergey credible on Holocaust yes, David Irving credible on Holocaust, no.
"actual facts" as determined how? The reporter's own superior knowledge? Or actual facts as determined by another expert? No, a reporter should not assume his scientific knowledge is greater than the reader's and insert his own opinion. If he has other sources, find them and cite them.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:45:24am |
re: #766 reine.de.tout
I'm not sure why SUV's hate snow. Some are just playful and roll around.
[Link: somd.com...]
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:50:00am |
re: #767 reine.de.tout
"actual facts" as determined how? The reporter's own superior knowledge? Or actual facts as determined by another expert?
Actual facts determined by the reporter's own investigation into the subject, yes. Which involves reading what experts have written, definitely.
No, a reporter should not assume his scientific knowledge is greater than the reader's and insert his own opinion.
I'm not sure what you mean by that. The reporter if he's reporting on a science story should definitely educate himself enough on the subject so that his knowledge is above the average reader and he can report on the subject accurately.
If he has other sources, find them and cite them.
I'm not objecting to citing sources at all. But sources are just sources. Someone can cite Heritage, the Petroleum Institute, and James Watts in a story about global warming and give the impression that it's not occurring.
Choosing who to cite is itself a judgement call on the part of the reporter.
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lawhawk Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:52:58am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. The markets have opened, and while it opened strong up (1%), it's now slid back to nearly neutral on the day. A bumpy ride, this will be. Again.
It wasn't the only bumpy ride in the NYC area though. We had yet another NJ Transit mess this morning, and if NJ Transit wants to know why it got slammed in its last customer service survey, it's because they never bothered to inform riders of what was going on during service disruptions. They vowed to improve things - and yet one had to go to outside news sources to find out what's going on with service along the Northeast Corridor. Turns out that it wasn't a signal problem or disabled train; it was a train derailment just outside NY Penn. No one was apparently injured, but that screws up the entire morning commute. Outstanding.
So, what did I do thinking about the dual train wrecks? I bought more GE stock. Seeing how it's been beaten down to about $15.30, I consider it undervalued. PE is 11 going forward and 12.2 looking back; not bad considering that this is a company that builds lots of stuff and has a solid track record.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:53:01am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:53:45am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:54:26am |
re: #772 Sergey Romanov
There was no bias in your reporting. Or was there?//
I am the Anti-Clause!!!
/
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:55:43am |
re: #769 Obdicut
Imagine being a reporter on cosmology science in the early 1960's. The well respected steady state theory was about to fall but no one knew that for sure yet. The new technology was poorly understood at first. We know the ending to this story, but how it was dealt with circa 1960 to 1970 is pretty illustrative from pre cable media days. Back in the day of the steady hand at the anchor desk ala Walter Cronkite.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:55:56am |
re: #773 Cannadian Club Akbar
I am the Anti-Clause!!!
/
I also am anti-creepy old men who sneak up on children to give them candy ///
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:57:11am |
re: #774 Rightwingconspirator
Reporting on two different competing scientific theories is rather different than reporting on a scientific theory and the unscientific criticism of that theory, though.
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:57:41am |
re: #766 reine.de.tout
If you will indulge me for a moment, I'd like to give you an illustration of what I think of as biased reporting. When I saw this story, I was just stunned.
A couple of years ago, I saw a story about a big traffic pileup because of a huge snowfall. There were apparently many vehicles caught up in this thing, people delayed, etc etc etc. This same year, there were a lot of stories about SUV's being dangerous to other vehicles on the road, gas guzzlers, etc.
So, I see a story that is about the record snow and the story is about the traffic snarls in the town that occurred as a result of snow piling up.
At the end of the story, the very last sentence of this story was:
"Many of the vehicles involved were SUV's".
I wanted to hit my head against the wall. Why was that in there? What was the point? How may of the vehicles were SUV's, what percentage? Did the SUV's cause all of the accidents, or were they victims of the snowfall just as the other vehicles were? What was the point of that sentence?
The only point of that sentence, that I could figure, was that the reporter really doesn't like SUV's and wants everybody to drive a Prius. Or something.
Because it made no sense in the context of the story; it was not a bit specific as to the actual number of SUV's, or the reason why this fact was important to the story, or whether the SUV's were the CAUSE of all or any of the accidents.
That's one way biased reporting gets sneaked in.
When there is a major snowfall, an SUV can make it out on the road while smaller vehicles are stuck in the driveway.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 6:59:35am |
re: #776 Obdicut
Reporting on two different competing scientific theories is rather different than reporting on a scientific theory and the unscientific criticism of that theory, though.
Indeed. Reports should (or at least may) also get a second opinion from the _scientific_ critics of the theories/findings. Like, "Dr. X: Ida is one of the missing links! Dr. Y: Nuh-uh.". Provided both Drs. are legitimate scientists.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 9, 2011 7:01:19am |
Fox News and Big Government are having frogmarch fantasies....
Treasurer: What Did Obama Know About Downgrade and When Did He Know It?
The tremendous 7% crash in stock market prices over the last five trading days serves as over-whelming evidence that the President of the United States or someone in his inner circle leaked “material non-public information” to Wall Street traders that the AAA credit rating of the United States of America would be downgraded.. Leaking of such information is criminal activity for both the trader who profits and the leaker. Depending on the level of the leak in his Administration; the President may be forced to resign of face severe sanctions.
It's public knowledge that the White House and Congress were told weeks ago that the debt deal was inadequate and the us would be downgraded. That won't stop a congressional investigation of course.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Aug 9, 2011 7:01:27am |
re: #776 Obdicut
Yeah sure enough. I gues my point is its an easy call on creationism. But all too often it's not that easy a call. I saw a page here the other day with a UCLA economic study about FDR and the depression. It had come to a very controversial conclusion, stating FDR inadvertently lengthened the depression. Now I did not look deeply at the study, and its conclusion alone left me skeptical. But various economic conclusions have come and gone, some no less an upset than steady state once was. So I've got this question mark in my head waiting for time to look further.
GTG!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 7:02:50am |
re: #773 Cannadian Club Akbar
I am the Anti-Clause!!!
/
Anybody who likes Santa is not OK by me! Moreover, I have my suspicions as to the identity of that creep. ///
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Aug 9, 2011 7:05:13am |
re: #781 Sergey Romanov
Anybody who likes Santa is not OK by me! Moreover, I have my suspicions as to the identity of that creep. ///
He's dead, Jim.
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iossarian Tue, Aug 9, 2011 7:05:20am |
re: #778 Sergey Romanov
Indeed. Reports should (or at least may) also get a second opinion from the _scientific_ critics of the theories/findings. Like, "Dr. X: Ida is one of the missing links! Dr. Y: Nuh-uh.". Provided both Drs. are legitimate scientists.
It's easy enough, unfortunately, to find examples of "legitimate scientists" being dead wrong, with unpleasant consequences.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 7:05:49am |
re: #783 iossarian
Yes, so.
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 9, 2011 7:06:45am |
re: #779 Killgore Trout
Fox News and Big Government are having frogmarch fantasies...
Treasurer: What Did Obama Know About Downgrade and When Did He Know It?
It's public knowledge that the White House and Congress were told weeks ago that the debt deal was inadequate and the us would be downgraded. That won't stop a congressional investigation of course.
Of course not. The GOP's bound and determined to hang this whole deal on Obama's head, so publicly accusing him of having orchestrated such a drop in the stock market is just another brick in the wall.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 9, 2011 7:08:50am |
Cantor Acknowledges S&P’s Warnings On Taxes, But Urges Colleagues To Ignore Them
Unlike his party’s presidential candidates and several of his congressional colleagues, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) seems to have heard that blast, as he sent a memo to congressional Republicans today acknowledging S&P’s calls for tax increases. Despite hearing those calls, however, Cantor is urging his colleagues to ignore them:
Over the next several months, there will be tremendous pressure on Congress to prove that S&P’s analysis of the inability of the political parties to bridge our differences is wrong. In short, there will be pressure to compromise on tax increases. We will be told that there is no other way forward. I respectfully disagree.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 7:09:34am |
Good one: Image: thank_god_for_precious_metals.png
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 7:09:55am |
Snakes on a plane? You fucking wish!!!!
[Link: news.travel.aol.com...]
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iossarian Tue, Aug 9, 2011 7:11:55am |
re: #786 Killgore Trout
Cantor Acknowledges S&P’s Warnings On Taxes, But Urges Colleagues To Ignore Them
Fingers-in-ears time again for the GOP.
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lawhawk Tue, Aug 9, 2011 7:13:37am |
re: #779 Killgore Trout
When Congress can't own up to the mess of its own creation, it does what it always does - launch an investigation. They love that. And the end result is that Congress doesn't do a damned thing.
They could have reformed the credit ratings system; but they didn't.
They could have put together a better debt ceiling package; but they didn't.
So, S&P downgrades the US (curiously the markets think S&P's guidance is more relevant than Moody's or Fitch's AAA ratings, despite the fact that all screwed the pooch so many times over the past couple of years) even as they acknowledged massive math errors. They instead blamed the downgrade on the political situation rather than a statistical/economic one.
They're right that the politics regarding the debt sucks, but a deal did get done - ugly as it was and no default occurred. S&P is essentially arguing that the politics of the deficit and debt and the budget suck.
If that's their argument, then S&P should have downgraded the US long ago - like when the US had to raise the debt ceiling pretty on average about 12-15 months apart from the budget as it has done for the past 2 decades.
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iossarian Tue, Aug 9, 2011 7:19:00am |
re: #790 lawhawk
Maybe what's changed for S&P is that the economy is now controlled by people who believe that dinosaur bones are an elaborate hoax to fool librul scientists.
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 9, 2011 7:19:12am |
re: #786 Killgore Trout
Cantor Acknowledges S&P’s Warnings On Taxes, But Urges Colleagues To Ignore Them
S&P declares that GOP's obstructionism was main reason for downgrade, GOP responds by declaring it'll continue to obstruct.
At what point does it cease being "politics as usual" and starts becoming treason?
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 9, 2011 7:26:35am |
I killed the thread. Crap...now I have to hide the body. *Goes to find a shovel*
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 7:26:58am |
re: #793 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Shame on you.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 7:27:47am |
re: #793 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I killed the thread. Crap...now I have to hide the body. *Goes to find a shovel*
A friend will help you move.
A true friend will help you move a body.
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lawhawk Tue, Aug 9, 2011 7:34:22am |
Standard & Poor's acts high and mighty to hide low and dirty dealings with Wall Street
My guess is that by acting high and mighty, S&P is trying to make us forget how low and dirty it was back in August 2004.That was when S&P relaxed its standards to keep Wall Street happy and itself flush with fees Wall Street pays it for ratings.
At the time, Wall Street was in the midst of underwriting $3.2 trillion in subprime mortgages. It packaged them into securities, foisting them off on "investors," as the suckers were called.
To win over the suckers, the banks needed AAA ratings. Moody's was the first to declare itself willing to oblige, instantly making itself the place for Wall Street to go for ratings.
Rather than lose out to its competitor, S&P agreed to relax its rating criteria.
"I knew it was wrong at the time," an S&P managing director named Richard Gugliada later said. "It was either that or skip the business."
The business was so important that S&P and Moody's kept issuing AAA, investment-grade ratings even as it became increasingly clear they were certifying garbage as gold.
"Credit rating agencies were aware of problems in the mortgage market, including an unsustainable rise in housing prices, the high-risk nature of the loans being issued, lax lending standards and rampant mortgage fraud," the Senate Finance Committee found.
The firms became even more lax with ratings as they sought to beat each other out.
"The result was a race to the bottom," the committee said.
So, when they changed tact and started calling crap - crap, everyone who had been following their rating advice had to bail. Investment houses had to dump junk paper by the ton because their fund rules require them to keep only investment grade on so many of their mutual funds and other securities. The ripple grew into a tidal wave and the losses overtook everyone, including major investment banks.
Now, we're supposed to thank S&P for coming out with a downgrade?
It's hardly an objective player in this, despite its claims to the contrary.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 9, 2011 7:35:56am |
re: #792 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
S&P declares that GOP's obstructionism was main reason for downgrade, GOP responds by declaring it'll continue to obstruct.
At what point does it cease being "politics as usual" and starts becoming treason?
If these pricks had any decency they'd be back in Washington working to fix this mess. They got what they wanted and are enjoying their vacations.
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lawhawk Tue, Aug 9, 2011 7:37:32am |
On topic:
What's wrong with the cover? She gets media attention and name recognition. She's got the 1,000 yard stare off camera - instead of at the camera, which doesn't bother me nearly as much as the nutty positions she takes.
Mountains and molehills on the cover.
Her nutty positions - that's definitely newsworthy and shows she lacks the character or judgment to be a prime time candidate for anything more than dogcatcher.
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Atlas Fails Tue, Aug 9, 2011 7:39:21am |
re: #779 Killgore Trout
Fox News and Big Government are having frogmarch fantasies...
Treasurer: What Did Obama Know About Downgrade and When Did He Know It?
It's public knowledge that the White House and Congress were told weeks ago that the debt deal was inadequate and the us would be downgraded. That won't stop a congressional investigation of course.
Because a president running for reelection would intentionally tank the stock market. That happens all the time, right?!?! The baggers are getting crazier by hour.
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KingKenrod Tue, Aug 9, 2011 7:40:10am |
PIAS warehouse in London burns down. PIAS is a major distributor of independent record labels in the UK:
Many of the labels like 4AD, Domino, Warp, Rock Action, Matador etc will probably have had their UK stock destroyed. Obviously this will have a massive effect on the music industry (and us).
Hope they had insurance.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
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lawhawk Tue, Aug 9, 2011 7:41:09am |
re: #797 Killgore Trout
Fix this mess? That would mean raising taxes in advance of the 2012 elections, and that's something the Democrats don't want almost as much as the GOP refuses any cuts for political reasons. It's about presidential and congressional politics of reelections now.
The Democrats might take solace in knowing that by inaction now, they think they can force the end of the Bush/Obama cuts/extension in 2013 without a vote. I think it's a poor strategy long term, and does little to address the structural deficits and revenue issues.
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iossarian Tue, Aug 9, 2011 7:42:21am |
re: #800 KingKenrod
PIAS warehouse in London burns down. PIAS is a major distributor of independent record labels in the UK:
Hope they had insurance.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
Sad, but it does remind me of the classic spoof Guardian headline:
"The Iraq War: How It Will Affect The Arts"
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 9, 2011 7:43:33am |
re: #801 lawhawk
Fix this mess? That would mean raising taxes in advance of the 2012 elections, and that's something the Democrats don't want almost as much as the GOP refuses any cuts for political reasons. It's about presidential and congressional politics of reelections now.
The Democrats might take solace in knowing that by inaction now, they think they can force the end of the Bush/Obama cuts/extension in 2013 without a vote. I think it's a poor strategy long term, and does little to address the structural deficits and revenue issues.
I don't think there's anything the Dems can do while Republicans are still in congress. Election are the only solution.
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 9, 2011 7:48:33am |
re: #803 Killgore Trout
I don't think there's anything the Dems can do while Republicans are still in congress. Election are the only solution.
Problem is, the GOP's already planning to run these elections as they did the ones in '10, portraying themselves as "concerned" about "runaway debt" and how it's hurting everything from employment to kidney stones, and promising to be the ones who'll bring it under control while passing "job friendly" policies that lead to a second Renaissance.
Thing is, we might take some comfort in the belief that a truly crazy GOP candidate will deny them the presidency. But even if Obama wins a second term, a House & Senate further in the control of the GOP will ensure another 4 years of gridlock and economic ruination.
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iossarian Tue, Aug 9, 2011 7:52:30am |
re: #805 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Problem is, the GOP's already planning to run these elections as they did the ones in '10, portraying themselves as "concerned" about "runaway debt" and how it's hurting everything from employment to kidney stones, and promising to be the ones who'll bring it under control while passing "job friendly" policies that lead to a second Renaissance.
Thing is, we might take some comfort in the belief that a truly crazy GOP candidate will deny them the presidency. But even if Obama wins a second term, a House & Senate further in the control of the GOP will ensure another 4 years of gridlock and economic ruination.
As long as the Republicans have 41 votes in the Senate, nothing's going to happen. That's your choke point right there.
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compound idaho Tue, Aug 9, 2011 7:57:12am |
re: #803 Killgore Trout
I don't think there's anything the Dems can do while Republicans are still in congress. Election are the only solution.
Reform the whole tax code, reduce overall rates, eliminate all schedule A deductions and most all deductions. Why should renters subsidize home owners or childless and singles subsidize large families or why should I subsidize my neighbors church giving. Most tax payers do not itemize anyway. The list goes on and on. In return, select rates that will increase revenue modestly. I think both sides could go for such and arrangement.
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:00:34am |
And just as soon as I say that, this story pops up on Yahoo News:
Poll suggests 2012 change in power in Washington
Prior to the elections of 1994, 2006 and 2010 when party control changed hands in the House or Senate, many Americans said incumbents didn't deserve re-election.
Now, we're seeing the highest number of Americans in two decades who agree with that sentiment, spelling another potential "wave" election for 2012, USA Today reports.
Only 24 percent of all adults surveyed in the USA Today/Gallup poll said most members of Congress deserve re-election "the lowest percentage since Gallup began asking the question in 1991" the newspaper reports. USA Today notes this is similar to the level of support polled prior to the 1994, 2006 and 2010 elections. In 1994, Republicans won control of both the House and Senate. In 2006, Democrats won control of both the House and Senate. And last fall, Republicans won control of the House.
The "Vote the Bums Out" feeling is starting to gain momentum, no doubt in response to the kabuki theater we just saw these past few weeks. And it's only going to get stronger as the GOP continues to keep things dysfunctional by acting like a bunch of spoiled children.
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Gus Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:01:07am |
re: #805 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Problem is, the GOP's already planning to run these elections as they did the ones in '10, portraying themselves as "concerned" about "runaway debt" and how it's hurting everything from employment to kidney stones, and promising to be the ones who'll bring it under control while passing "job friendly" policies that lead to a second Renaissance.
Thing is, we might take some comfort in the belief that a truly crazy GOP candidate will deny them the presidency. But even if Obama wins a second term, a House & Senate further in the control of the GOP will ensure another 4 years of gridlock and economic ruination.
There is always room for "job friendly" policies short of the Tea Party idea. Obama indicated as much with his regulatory review announcement last year. A GOP controlled Senate and House may not help the current economic crisis but it's important to note that this economic crisis is global and outside the control of congress and the president. The jobs issue will remain a difficult one. The remaining job market is focused on the service industries and not manufacturing since there is no way we can compete with Chinese and 3rd world labor costs.
This puts the federal government in the position of being the prime employer during these hard times. For good reason and it does keep us from falling deeper into the hole. However, the long term goal should be in private job creation which has been a tough road considering the tightening of credit and the continually depressed real estate market and new construction (and other depressed markets). The cash is there and has been so for almost 2 years now.
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Varek Raith Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:01:25am |
re: #808 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
And just as soon as I say that, this story pops up on Yahoo News:
Poll suggests 2012 change in power in Washington
The "Vote the Bums Out" feeling is starting to gain momentum, no doubt in response to the kabuki theater we just saw these past few weeks. And it's only going to get stronger as the GOP continues to keep things dysfunctional by acting like a bunch of spoiled children.
Sigh.
That's what got us the TeaParty nutters to begin with.
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iossarian Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:03:50am |
re: #807 compound idaho
[...]In return, select rates that will increase revenue modestly. I think both sides could go for such and arrangement.
Really? You must be watching a different political comedy than the one I'm seeing.
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lawhawk Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:05:26am |
re: #807 compound idaho
Both sides would not go for that idea. The GOP sees tax reform as a way to reduce revenues, while the Democrats see it as a way to maintain or grow revenues. Should there be grounds for compromise? Absolutely, but that's not happening in the current political environment.
For example, the mortgage interest deduction has a huge base of support, the real estate industry for starters (who can point out that removing the deduction would crush an already battered sector of the economy that is one of the factors in the ongoing overall economy problems). When you go through other credits, deductions, or exemptions, you find constituencies of support that will do whatever it takes to keep things as they are, even though it adds countless pages to the IRC.
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:06:14am |
re: #809 Gus 802
There is always room for "job friendly" policies short of the Tea Party idea. Obama indicated as much with his regulatory review announcement last year. A GOP controlled Senate and House may not help the current economic crisis but it's important to note that this economic crisis is global and outside the control of congress and the president. The jobs issue will remain a difficult one. The remaining job market is focused on the service industries and not manufacturing since there is no way we can compete with Chinese and 3rd world labor costs.
This puts the federal government in the position of being the prime employer during these hard times. For good reason and it does keep us from falling deeper into the hole. However, the long term goal should be in private job creation which has been a tough road considering the tightening of credit and the continually depressed real estate market and new construction (and other depressed markets). The cash is there and has been so for almost 2 years now.
Agreed, there are methods of spurring some job growth, even not explosive, at this time. With a functioning government, where both sides were less focused on their reelection chances and more on fixing this crisis, there might be a real chance at finding these methods out and implementing them. As is, we're left with the choice of picking our poison.
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Gus Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:10:27am |
re: #813 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Agreed, there are methods of spurring some job growth, even not explosive, at this time. With a functioning government, where both sides were less focused on their reelection chances and more on fixing this crisis, there might be a real chance at finding these methods out and implementing them. As is, we're left with the choice of picking our poison.
Pisses me off sometimes. Everyone is always screaming "the government, the government, the government!" in either direction. Yet the banks are sitting on a record pile of cash, the rich keep getting richer, many corporations continue to break profit records, the gap between the rich and the poor keeps widening, etc. The GOP keeps talking about tax cuts "creating jobs". Yet it's difficult to even see tax cuts having an effect when developers and investors can't even get a bank loan. This after we helped them out with TARP and continue to funnel money to them through the Fed. It's become a closed system favoring only financial institutions and not the people in the end.
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:15:43am |
re: #814 Gus 802
Pisses me off sometimes. Everyone is always screaming "the government, the government, the government!" in either direction. Yet the banks are sitting on a record pile of cash, the rich keep getting richer, many corporations continue to break profit records, the gap between the rich and the poor keeps widening, etc. The GOP keeps talking about tax cuts "creating jobs". Yet it's difficult to even see tax cuts having an effect when developers and investors can't even get a bank loan. This after we helped them out with TARP and continue to funnel money to them through the Fed. It's become a closed system favoring only financial institutions and not the people in the end.
Thing is, the GOP isn't the only one with their fingerprints on this. The Democrats could have, in the past 2 years, taken on the banks and the ratings agencies. They certainly would have had plenty of public support in doing so. But they waved off that responsibility, making excuses about how doing so would "hurt" chances of a recovery and would "spook" Wall Street. So now, we're left with banks that got saved with our tax dollars, but continue to bear absolutely no responsibility for their actions.
Whether it was willful collusion or weak-willed cowardice, I don't know, but the Democrats had a duty to make the banks accountable and they shirked it.
| 817 |
Gus Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:19:09am |
re: #816 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Thing is, the GOP isn't the only one with their fingerprints on this. The Democrats could have, in the past 2 years, taken on the banks and the ratings agencies. They certainly would have had plenty of public support in doing so. But they waved off that responsibility, making excuses about how doing so would "hurt" chances of a recovery and would "spook" Wall Street. So now, we're left with banks that got saved with our tax dollars, but continue to bear absolutely no responsibility for their actions.
Whether it was willful collusion or weak-willed cowardice, I don't know, but the Democrats had a duty to make the banks accountable and they shirked it.
True. And that has been proven difficult in getting the Democrats "on our side" with politicians like Schumer and Dodd. Regardless of Dodd's financial reform rhetoric and legislation. Wall Street made record contribution to the Democrats in the 2008 cycle. This is America. Big money comes first. About the only ones that make any waves are Democrats like Bernie Sanders. The rest? Well, politics as usual and the while the Republicans won't give you shit, the Democrats will only give you a bandaid.
| 818 |
darthstar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:19:54am |
Dow +231 - someone must have shown Bachmann's picture to Wall Street and said, "Really...you guys want to make Obama look bad this much?"
| 819 |
iossarian Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:20:29am |
re: #816 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Thing is, the GOP isn't the only one with their fingerprints on this. The Democrats could have, in the past 2 years, taken on the banks and the ratings agencies. They certainly would have had plenty of public support in doing so. But they waved off that responsibility, making excuses about how doing so would "hurt" chances of a recovery and would "spook" Wall Street. So now, we're left with banks that got saved with our tax dollars, but continue to bear absolutely no responsibility for their actions.
Whether it was willful collusion or weak-willed cowardice, I don't know, but the Democrats had a duty to make the banks accountable and they shirked it.
I'm inclined to say, again, that they couldn't get anything done in the Senate. Partly because of Blue Dog Democrats, but mostly because of the filibuster.
I mean, if you're talking about taking on financial institutions and standing up for the little guy, look at the amount of crap they took over Elizabeth Warren. It's been a non-stop fight for every minor piddling appointment.
| 820 |
ProGunLiberal Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:20:40am |
re: #817 Gus 802
Mostly correct. But Bernie Sanders only caucuses with the Democrats.
He's an out-an-out Socialist. No exaggeration.
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Coracle Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:21:36am |
re: #816 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Whether it was willful collusion or weak-willed cowardice, I don't know, but the Democrats had a duty to make the banks accountable and they shirked it.
With respect, that's crap.
The Dems could have been braver and put forth legislation to do those things. But to claim they would have made an inch of progress in the face of the Republican obstructionism of the last two years would be delusional. I'd have liked to see them do it anyway, but there's a certain amount of pragmatism not to stand under the hole in the outhouse.
| 822 |
Gus Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:22:41am |
re: #820 ProLifeLiberal
Mostly correct. But Bernie Sanders only caucuses with the Democrats.
He's an out-an-out Socialist. No exaggeration.
Well. Then we might need more socialists in congress.
Yes, you can quote me on that. ;)
| 823 |
iossarian Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:23:53am |
re: #821 Coracle
Exactly. Look at healthcare: every other country spends roughly 20-30% less than the US, because they don't have our broken system. Everyone agrees that medical costs need to be reined in over the next 20 years.
So Obama proposes a middle of the road compromise that was basically similar to a plan Republicans were pushing in the 70s, and what happens?
| 824 |
ProGunLiberal Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:24:15am |
re: #822 Gus 802
Eh, I want Social Democrats.
| 825 |
Gus Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:24:38am |
re: #818 darthstar
Dow +231 - someone must have shown Bachmann's picture to Wall Street and said, "Really...you guys want to make Obama look bad this much?"
Wall Street is recovering from their temper tantrum yesterday? They do this all the time. Something goes wrong or something they don't agree with throws them into a fit and they start a sell off. The market can recover. It can recover all week but it will hardly mean a thing, as we've seen, as far as creating jobs and wealth for the average American.
| 826 |
iossarian Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:24:41am |
| 827 |
Gus Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:27:08am |
re: #824 ProLifeLiberal
Eh, I want Social Democrats.
Yes. Everybody has their on particular and specific desires. Anything would be a good start to mix things up in this bi-polar political system we have in this country. It's like a damn wax museum right now with only Democrats and Republicans.
| 828 |
Varek Raith Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:27:15am |
| 829 |
ProGunLiberal Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:30:54am |
re: #826 iossarian
It would take a massive amount of convincing for me.
Hugo Chavez is the first thing I think of when someone says that. He called himself that for years.
| 830 |
Targetpractice Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:31:21am |
re: #821 Coracle
With respect, that's crap.
The Dems could have been braver and put forth legislation to do those things. But to claim they would have made an inch of progress in the face of the Republican obstructionism of the last two years would be delusional. I'd have liked to see them do it anyway, but there's a certain amount of pragmatism not to stand under the hole in the outhouse.
They should have been braver, should have put that legislation forth. I don't hold any illusion that the GOP would have simply allowed up-or-down votes, wouldn't have hidden behind the filibuster. But that's a fight that should have been waged, especially when public support was behind it. They should have been setting the tone, not letting the GOP do so through their catspaws in the media.
| 831 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:31:48am |
re: #822 Gus 802
Well. Then we might need more socialists in congress.
Yes, you can quote me on that. ;)
When I first came here I think you were to the right of me. Hmm. /
| 832 |
Varek Raith Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:32:59am |
re: #831 Sergey Romanov
When I first came here I think you were to the right of me. Hmm. /
Not that right, the other right!
/
| 833 |
Gus Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:33:05am |
re: #831 Sergey Romanov
When I first came here I think you were to the right of me. Hmm. /
So were a lot of people. When I first came here Little Green Footballs was way to the right of me.
| 834 |
Targetpractice Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:33:46am |
re: #833 Gus 802
So were a lot of people. When I first came here Little Green Footballs was way to the right of me.
LGF back in the day sat somewhere far to the right of Jenjis Khan.
/
| 835 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:34:43am |
Oooh, Thaara strikes again:
-1Comment rated by: ThaaraPosted by: Sergey Romanov in link: Chris Christie Says Jersey’s Safe From Shariah
Kudos to Mr. Christie. It's a sad state of affairs when this kind of thing is even news though.
A strange comment to show resentment, no?
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
| 836 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:35:09am |
re: #833 Gus 802
So were a lot of people. When I first came here Little Green Footballs was way to the right of me.
I mean in Nov. 2010 ;)
| 837 |
Gus Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:35:17am |
re: #831 Sergey Romanov
When I first came here I think you were to the right of me. Hmm. /
But a little more on that. Now, I might want to see more socialists in congress that still doesn't mean I would agree with them on everything. I just think it would be healthy change for congress and the country. To mix things up if you will. If the Tea Party can do it so should the socialists and others. We need more varied representation.
| 838 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:35:41am |
re: #834 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
LGF back in the day sat somewhere far to the right of Jenjis Khan.
/
And Attilla the Hun.
| 839 |
Varek Raith Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:36:10am |
re: #835 Sergey Romanov
Oooh, Thaara strikes again:
A strange comment to show resentment, no?
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
You got a friend!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:36:11am |
re: #837 Gus 802
That's basically how I understood you ;)
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:36:58am |
re: #577 laZardo
I think the police should actually take the risk to go in and subdue them with non-lethal force. Like, right the fuck now.
Once the riots have been subdued, city/county-equivalent governments must begin a real community outreach to figure out why they broke out in the first place.
And a "lack of security cameras/telescreens watching people's every move on the street" must NOT be considered a valid reason.
Fine. That I can agree with.
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Gus Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:37:40am |
re: #836 Sergey Romanov
I mean in Nov. 2010 ;)
Well. I have this weird habit called jealousy which burbles up from time to time. So if I see someone getting more attention I sometimes get irrational. :)
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Varek Raith Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:38:43am |
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:38:49am |
All this talk about what LGF used to be like...
*clears throat* GET OFF MY LAWN! *grunts* Damn kids...
//
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Varek Raith Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:40:10am |
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iossarian Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:40:22am |
re: #829 ProLifeLiberal
It would take a massive amount of convincing for me.
Hugo Chavez is the first thing I think of when someone says that. He called himself that for years.
A Poem:
Hugo Chavez is a bad man.
He is a populist
And he has a lot of oil.
He oppresses the press
And silences dissenters
In different ways than we.
Bad, bad man.
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Gus Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:42:29am |
re: #847 iossarian
A Poem:
Hugo Chavez is a bad man.
He is a populist
And he has a lot of oil.
He oppresses the press
And silences dissenters
In different ways than we.
Bad, bad man.
Chavez of course is a Bolivarian and not a mainstream socialist of the European mold. It's a little discomforting to see when Americans see the word "socialist" and the first thing that comes to mind is Hugo Chavez.
| 849 |
lawhawk Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:43:16am |
re: #845 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Hey whippersnapper.... back in the day, I had to walk uphill both ways to post to LGF - by carrier pigeon. /and yes, I'm still here from the original class of 2003 registrants (posting began 10/2001)
| 850 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:43:22am |
re: #801 lawhawk
Another option the Dems will surely fail to address over politics is to "de Bushify" the tax debate. In other words take an objective look at the charts and stop centering the debate about the Bush cuts. Maybe we need more upper brackets. Maybe the right number to leave alone is $200,000 per year or below, maybe it's $300,000.
In any case get unstuck on the Bush cuts as the center of mass for the policy debate.
| 851 |
Varek Raith Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:44:41am |
re: #850 Rightwingconspirator
Another option the Dems will surely fail to address over politics is to "de Bushify" the tax debate. In other words take an objective look at the charts and stop centering the debate about the Bush cuts. Maybe we need more upper brackets. Maybe the right number to leave alone is $200,000 per year or below, maybe it's $300,000.
In any case get unstuck on the Bush cuts as the center of mass for the policy debate.
I can dig that.
Too bad the GOP will oppose it until the end of time.
| 852 |
iossarian Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:46:20am |
re: #848 Gus 802
Chavez of course is a Bolivarian and not a mainstream socialist of the European mold. It's a little discomforting to see when Americans see the word "socialist" and the first thing that comes to mind is Hugo Chavez.
Yeah, my poem is as much about my disenchantment with the likes of Chavez as it is about the hypocrisy of the US's attitude towards him compared to other, more "aligned" despots.
| 853 |
Gus Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:48:30am |
re: #852 iossarian
Yeah, my poem is as much about my disenchantment with the likes of Chavez as it is about the hypocrisy of the US's attitude towards him compared to other, more "aligned" despots.
Pay no attention to the history of Standard Oil Company of New Jersey! ;) Yeah, I know what you mean. Kissinger, Operation Condor, and all that jazz.
| 854 |
Atlas Fails Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:48:38am |
re: #827 Gus 802
Yes. Everybody has their on particular and specific desires. Anything would be a good start to mix things up in this bi-polar political system we have in this country. It's like a damn wax museum right now with only Democrats and Republicans.
Anybody else think we could use a Labor Party here in the states? Globally speaking, the Republicans are far-right and the Democrats are centrists with some left-wing sympathies. I'm not as liberal as most Labor members and I doubt I would actually join the party, but we've seen that the Tea Baggers see most Democrats' willingness to compromise as a sign of weakness. Some principled, intelligent progressives who are just as stubborn could wipe the floor with those dimwits.
| 855 |
Varek Raith Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:49:15am |
"Aliens could start harvesting our organs tomorrow and the GOP will still refuse to raise taxes"
-Bill Maher, Jackass who is sometimes funny.
| 856 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:49:19am |
London riots claimed a victim.
And now health and safety rules are preventing citizens from cleaning up debris.
So the police can't save your business from be burned, but they'll stop your friends when they try to clear the debris. Mark Steyn used to write this stuff as satire, but now its become reality.
| 857 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:49:28am |
re: #851 Varek Raith
One day soon they can oppose it as a minority, and we can get governing done again. Sad to say it's like that though.
| 858 |
Varek Raith Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:50:20am |
re: #857 Rightwingconspirator
One day soon they can oppose it as a minority, and we can get governing done again. Sad to say it's like that though.
Makes my head hurt.
Let's go blow up a planet or two.
| 859 |
Targetpractice Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:50:21am |
re: #849 lawhawk
Hey whippersnapper... back in the day, I had to walk uphill both ways to post to LGF - by carrier pigeon. /and yes, I'm still here from the original class of 2003 registrants (posting began 10/2001)
Hell, I still remember the push for registration, back in the day. Ah, those were fun times.
| 860 |
lawhawk Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:52:17am |
re: #850 Rightwingconspirator
A look at the historical tax rates would show that we've gone from having more than a dozen rates brackets (1984 for example had 15 brackets) in a given tax rate to having as close to a flat tax as possible (2 rate brackets for tax years 1988-1990) to the current 6 rates.
From the 1960s and before, having 20 rates in a tax year was closer to the norm - with the top bracket hitting at 70% or above.
Putting the top bracket at 40% and beginning at 500k (single filer) and eliminating all credits and deductions and the AMT on that top bracket should be the start of simplification of the tax code. But it's a nonstarter.
| 861 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:52:17am |
re: #856 Dark_Falcon
Yeah, strange. I say, make the thugs do the clean-up.
| 862 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:52:52am |
re: #848 Gus 802
Chavez of course is a Bolivarian and not a mainstream socialist of the European mold. It's a little discomforting to see when Americans see the word "socialist" and the first thing that comes to mind is Hugo Chavez.
He calls himself socialist openly, though, and his obnoxious behavior attracts media attention. People remember the brash man with the red paratrooper beret shouting slogans far better than the quiet man in a suit making policy proposals. Humans are keyed to notice sound and movement, it's a survival trait.
| 863 |
jamesfirecat Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:53:49am |
re: #362 Dark_Falcon
Keep siding with the criminals, laZardo. Every time you liberals do that, we conservatives use it to defeat you. Come on, laZardo, make it easy for me!
Yeah it really bit us in the ass when we kept siding with African American criminals who sat at "Whites Only" lunch counters.
| 865 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:55:21am |
re: #863 jamesfirecat
Yeah it really bit us in the ass when we kept siding with African American criminals who sat at "Whites Only" lunch counters.
If you don't see any analogy with the scum that is rioting in UK (I sure don't), better don't bring up such historical examples, even in response to inflammatory bait from DF :)
| 867 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:55:43am |
Flight simulators sure have come a long way....
DCS : A-10C Warthog - Too Dumb to Fly
| 868 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:56:50am |
re: #856 Dark_Falcon
Just to excerpt a very good point made late in that article you linked, especially after an extended discussion you and I shared recently with some um, police skeptics shall we say...
A second Facebook group called “Supporting the Met Police against the London rioters” also saw huge support after being set up yesterday.
It received more than a quarter of a million users in seven hours as people posted updates on rioting they had witnessed and voiced their thanks to the police.
| 869 |
lawhawk Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:56:52am |
Oh, and today's the Wisconsin recall election.... if Democrats can pick up 3 of the 6 GOP seats on recall, they'd gain control over the state senate.
| 870 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:57:00am |
re: #853 Gus 802
Pay no attention to the history of Standard Oil Company of New Jersey! ;) Yeah, I know what you mean. Kissinger, Operation Condor, and all that jazz.
Just don't bash Standard Oil of Indiana (later Amoco, subsequently bought by BP). My father worked there for more than 30 years and that where he met my mother. So without Standard Oil, there would be no Dark_Falcon.
| 871 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:57:44am |
re: #869 lawhawk
Oh, and today's the Wisconsin recall election... if Democrats can pick up 3 of the 6 GOP seats on recall, they'd gain control over the state senate.
I hope they fail. The GOP's got a good shot, even in Fond du Lac.
| 872 |
jamesfirecat Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:58:17am |
re: #865 Sergey Romanov
If you don't see any analogy with the scum that is rioting in UK (I sure don't), better don't bring up such historical examples, even in response to inflammatory bait from DF :)
He just said "siding with criminals" and and I felt that this was painfully vague.
So those brave people who went to jail for breaking an unjust law were just as much "criminals" as those who break a just law like the British Rioters.
That they are breaking the law is the only analogy I see to exist at the moment and I'm sorry if I offended anyone it was not my intent.
| 873 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 8:59:58am |
re: #872 jamesfirecat
Hey, I get you. I think DF wanted to draw some blood, is all. Downding etc. The sympathy Lazardo seems to show to those rioters is far-leftish, but I don't think it's anywhere near liberalism as such, which is why I dinged DF.
| 874 |
jamesfirecat Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:00:10am |
re: #871 Dark_Falcon
I hope they fail. The GOP's got a good shot, even in Fond du Lac.
I hope they make it because Walker had done a number of reprehensible things recently and deserves to have his power limited before being recalled himself.
(Why the down dings people DF was just backing his team?)
| 875 |
Targetpractice Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:00:12am |
re: #867 Killgore Trout
Flight simulators sure have come a long way...
DCS : A-10C Warthog - Too Dumb to Fly[Video]
Jeez, and I thought playing FSX was complicated.
| 876 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:00:18am |
re: #863 jamesfirecat
Looting and burning are not analogous to a sit-in, James. The people staging sit-ins were very careful to be not be insulting or violent. The rioter's behavior is much closer to the white mob in Birmingham, Alabama who pulled Freedom Riders out of a bus station and beat them half to death.
| 877 |
makeitstop Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:00:25am |
re: #848 Gus 802
Chavez of course is a Bolivarian and not a mainstream socialist of the European mold. It's a little discomforting to see when Americans see the word "socialist" and the first thing that comes to mind is Hugo Chavez.
Yeah, but when they think of 'suitable presidential candidate' some Americans think of Michele Bachmann or Rick Perry.
| 878 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:01:25am |
re: #876 Dark_Falcon
Looting and burning are not analogous to a sit-in, James. The people staging sit-ins were very careful to be not be insulting or violent. The rioter's behavior is much closer to the white mob in Birmingham, Alabama who pulled Freedom Riders out of a bus station and beat them half to death.
I think the analogy with the ongoing peaceful Israeli protests is in order.
| 879 |
Varek Raith Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:01:51am |
| 881 |
jamesfirecat Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:03:08am |
re: #876 Dark_Falcon
Looting and burning are not analogous to a sit-in, James. The people staging sit-ins were very careful to be not be insulting or violent. The rioter's behavior is much closer to the white mob in Birmingham, Alabama who pulled Freedom Riders out of a bus station and beat them half to death.
See my 872 you said "Keep siding with the criminals, laZardo. Every time you liberals do that, we conservatives use it to defeat you. Come on, laZardo, make it easy for me!"
So I'm pointing out that while indeed supporting the London Rioters would be an albatross around the modern Democratic party's neck, how "easy" did us siding with those criminals in the civil rights era make it for conservatives to "defeat us"
If you don't want to have me pick nits with your comments don't use absolutes.
| 882 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:03:12am |
| 883 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:03:31am |
re: #873 Sergey Romanov
Hey, I get you. I think DF wanted to draw some blood, is all. Downding etc. The sympathy Lazardo seems to show to those rioters is far-leftish, but I don't think it's anywhere near liberalism as such, which is why I dinged DF.
When my blood is up I sometimes get a bit dramatic. I also spend a good deal of time at LGF answering the objections of liberals as of late. Last night I was eager to dish it instead of taking it for a change. I felt I knew the issue well enough to respond effectively and I had the confidence to go in scrapping. So some of my posts were a bit different than my norm.
| 884 |
Targetpractice Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:03:34am |
| 885 |
makeitstop Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:03:41am |
re: #869 lawhawk
Oh, and today's the Wisconsin recall election... if Democrats can pick up 3 of the 6 GOP seats on recall, they'd gain control over the state senate.
If I were the praying sort, I'd be going non-stop all day for that to happen.
We've got to start claiming the government in the name of sane people again. Wisconsin seems like the ideal place to start.
And after they win back the senate, they can recall that worthless governor's ass next.
| 886 |
Gus Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:04:04am |
re: #877 makeitstop
Yeah, but when they think of 'suitable presidential candidate' some Americans think of Michele Bachmann or Rick Perry.
And especially NOT AN ATHEIST!!11ty
| 887 |
makeitstop Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:04:50am |
re: #871 Dark_Falcon
I hope they fail. The GOP's got a good shot, even in Fond du Lac.
Sure, that government is the prototype for what Republicans want to do to the whole country. So go ahead and hope for that.
/
| 888 |
makeitstop Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:06:08am |
re: #881 jamesfirecat
See my 872 you said "Keep siding with the criminals, laZardo. Every time you liberals do that, we conservatives use it to defeat you. Come on, laZardo, make it easy for me!"
So I'm pointing out that while indeed supporting the London Rioters would be an albatross around the modern Democratic party's neck, how "easy" did us siding with those criminals in the civil rights era make it for conservatives to "defeat us"
If you don't want to have me pick nits with your comments don't use absolutes.
Yeah, I brought that up last night. DF was not inclined to talk about it, though.
| 889 |
Gus Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:06:49am |
re: #870 Dark_Falcon
Just don't bash Standard Oil of Indiana (later Amoco, subsequently bought by BP). My father worked there for more than 30 years and that where he met my mother. So without Standard Oil, there would be no Dark_Falcon.
They got better as it were. Wasn't that because of the Sherman Act? Anyway, the Standard Oil Company of New Jersey was a different animal back when they extended their tentacles into Latin America and effected influence on politics there.
| 890 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:06:53am |
London Riots. (The BBC will never replay this.
| 891 |
Varek Raith Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:07:54am |
re: #890 Killgore Trout
London Riots. (The BBC will never replay this.
[Video]
Geezer talks of insurrection and revolution
What idiots.
| 892 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:08:13am |
re: #883 Dark_Falcon
Yup. In any case, there is nothing liberal about going around, breaking stuff and destroying other people's livelihood just for the heck of it. Nothing to sympathize with. Maybe most of those kids are disaffected and downtrodden, that's the problem the society should deal with in humane ways (and should have dealt with), but once they stoop to these actions, the sympathy for the downtrodden becomes a disgust for the irrational vandals.
| 893 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:08:48am |
re: #889 Gus 802
They got better as it were. Wasn't that because of the Sherman Act? Anyway, the Standard Oil Company of New Jersey was a different animal back when they extended their tentacles into Latin America and effected influence on politics there.
The two were different companies after their parent was broken up under the Sherman Act (you were right, Gus). Standard Oil of New Jersey is now ExxonMobile.
| 894 |
Varek Raith Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:11:10am |
Bachmann’s ‘Must-Read’ List Included A Book That Claims Blacks Were ‘Better Off In Nearly Every Way’ Under Slavery
I'm just glad she doesn't have a campaign apparatus that can sustain her after Iowa.
| 895 |
Gus Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:11:17am |
Bleh. Three more days of taking penicillin. Stuff makes me feel crappy. But better than an infection. Still. Whew.
| 897 |
Gus Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:11:55am |
re: #894 Varek Raith
Bachmann’s ‘Must-Read’ List Included A Book That Claims Blacks Were ‘Better Off In Nearly Every Way’ Under Slavery
I'm just glad she doesn't have a campaign apparatus that can sustain her after Iowa.
Good lord. Seriously?
| 898 |
Atlas Fails Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:12:07am |
re: #885 makeitstop
If I were the praying sort, I'd be going non-stop all day for that to happen.
We've got to start claiming the government in the name of sane people again. Wisconsin seems like the ideal place to start.
And after they win back the senate, they can recall that worthless governor's ass next.
Wisconsin is what Obama and congressional Democrats need to run in 2012, especially if the GOP is foolish enough to nominate a straight-up wingnut like Bachmann or Perry. Swing states like Pennsylvania and Ohio are strongly pro-union and will respond accordingly if they feel their rights are threatened. The Democrats must emphasize the abject failure of Tea Baggers in charge by pointing to states like Wisconsin and, to a lesser extent, Florida.
| 899 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:12:14am |
re: #892 Sergey Romanov
Yup. In any case, there is nothing liberal about going around, breaking stuff and destroying other people's livelihood just for the heck of it. Nothing to sympathize with. Maybe most of those kids are disaffected and downtrodden, that's the problem the society should deal with in humane ways (and should have dealt with), but once they stoop to these actions, the sympathy for the downtrodden becomes a disgust for the irrational vandals.
If it's anything like the black bloc a-holes who cause problems in the Bay Area, it's out-of-towners. I guess we'll find out about London, but people are also very quick to clutch their guns when they read the word "youth".
| 900 |
garhighway Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:13:20am |
re: #769 Obdicut
Actual facts determined by the reporter's own investigation into the subject, yes. Which involves reading what experts have written, definitely.
I'm not sure what you mean by that. The reporter if he's reporting on a science story should definitely educate himself enough on the subject so that his knowledge is above the average reader and he can report on the subject accurately.
I'm not objecting to citing sources at all. But sources are just sources. Someone can cite Heritage, the Petroleum Institute, and James Watts in a story about global warming and give the impression that it's not occurring.
Choosing who to cite is itself a judgement call on the part of the reporter.
Exactly. The search for false balance has lead us to the kind of reporting we see now: "GOP says Earth is flat, some Democrats disagree."
Bullshit is bullshit, and reporters ought not ignore that. Whether it is Holocaust denial, AGW, or "death panels", a highly skilled reporter should not simply be a stenographer, mindlessly repeating opposing viewpoints.
| 901 |
Varek Raith Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:13:22am |
re: #897 Gus 802
Good lord. Seriously?
Yep.
You see, the Christian slave holders saved them from pagan Africa.
Or some such bullshit.
| 902 |
Targetpractice Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:13:33am |
re: #890 Killgore Trout
London Riots. (The BBC will never replay this.
[Video]
Geezer talks of insurrection and revolution
Good lord. Some folks think way too highly of themselves or their ambitions.
| 903 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:14:03am |
The 2012 quote of the day-Politico
Re:Obama
“Unless things change and Obama can run on accomplishments, he will have to kill Romney,” said a prominent Democratic strategist aligned with the White House.
| 904 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:15:40am |
re: #897 Gus 802
Good lord. Seriously?
re: #894 Varek Raith
Bachmann’s ‘Must-Read’ List Included A Book That Claims Blacks Were ‘Better Off In Nearly Every Way’ Under Slavery
I'm just glad she doesn't have a campaign apparatus that can sustain her after Iowa."Bachmann has a history of using slavery analogies, and she has made multiple mistakes regarding American history already in her campaign. None, however, is nearly as disturbing as her love for a book that attempts to explain away the horrors of slavery by rewriting history to make it seem like it was a minor price to pay for the sanctifying favors whites did blacks by bringing them to America as slaves."
Unka Pat says the same thing. The GOP constituency eats this crap up like it's cake.
| 905 |
Varek Raith Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:15:42am |
re: #903 Rightwingconspirator
The 2012 quote of the day-Politico
Re:Obama
“Unless things change and Obama can run on accomplishments, he will have to kill Romney,” said a prominent Democratic strategist aligned with the White House.
What a freaking moron.
Anyone know who the fool who said this is?
| 906 |
makeitstop Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:16:18am |
re: #903 Rightwingconspirator
The 2012 quote of the day-Politico
Re:Obama
“Unless things change and Obama can run on accomplishments, he will have to kill Romney,” said a prominent Democratic strategist aligned with the White House.
Anytime 'unnamed Democratic strategist' is quoted in Politico, my bullshit detector goes crazy.
| 907 |
jamesfirecat Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:16:28am |
re: #903 Rightwingconspirator
The 2012 quote of the day-Politico
Re:Obama
“Unless things change and Obama can run on accomplishments, he will have to kill Romney,” said a prominent Democratic strategist aligned with the White House.
What?
The line doesn't even make sense?
Was it suppose to be "Obama can't run on accomplishments, he will have to kill Romney" Suggesting Obama needs to go negative?
Was it suppose to be "Obama can run on accomplishments, he will have to kill Romney" Suggesting him versus Romney would be a landslide in his favor because he's got a much better jobs record than Romney?
I don't even get what he's trying to say....
| 908 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:16:33am |
re: #897 Gus 802
Good lord. Seriously?
Yes. It's a "Lost Cause" biography of Confederate General Robert E. Lee. It's uses his life and the battles he fought to engage in sick acts of historical revisionism. It's a discredit to the writing of biography in general and a discredit to Lee (whose life deserved better biographers than this) in specific.
| 909 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:16:41am |
re: #901 Varek Raith
Yep.
You see, the Christian slave holders saved them from pagan Africa.
Or some such bullshit.
You forgot the part about being grateful.
Social conservatism, ftw.
| 910 |
Targetpractice Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:18:49am |
re: #901 Varek Raith
Yep.
You see, the Christian slave holders saved them from pagan Africa.
Or some such bullshit.
Yeah, I've heard that argument before. That blacks should be thankful to Europeans, as they brought them over here, "civilized" them, taught them "proper" things like Christianity and English, and that their descendents owe the US a debt for giving them the chance to "contribute."
Times I wish I didn't have to share a planet with these people.
| 911 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:18:55am |
re: #902 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Good lord. Some folks think way too highly of themselves or their ambitions.
I guess there's some human psychology at work here but I don't understand why citizens aren't out in the streets beating the fuck out of rioters.
| 912 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:19:00am |
re: #899 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
If it's anything like the black bloc a-holes who cause problems in the Bay Area, it's out-of-towners. I guess we'll find out about London, but people are also very quick to clutch their guns when they read the word "youth".
It's really all similar, regardless of country, ethnic origin etc. - you may remember the "Bronze soldier" riots in 2007 in Estonia. The plans to move the Soviet monument led to riots and lootings, where Russian youths together with Estonian youths were doing what these rioters are doing in UK (on a lesser scale - there were no burnings). Obviously, the monument issue was just a spark, and the underlying problem was the lack of Russian integration, with the Estonian policy not really helping the matters.
| 913 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:19:16am |
re: #908 Dark_Falcon
Yes. It's a "Lost Cause" biography of Confederate General Robert E. Lee. It's uses his life and the battles he fought to engage in sick acts of historical revisionism. It's a discredit to the writing of biography in general and a discredit to Lee (whose life deserved better biographers than this) in specific.
You cannot get any more anti-American than Robert E. Lee.
Lol it's kinda like, his default setting.
| 914 |
Varek Raith Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:19:32am |
re: #909 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
You forgot the part about being grateful.
Social conservatism, ftw.
I'll tell you one thing. If the primates that we came from had known that someday politicians would come out of the gene pool, they'd have stayed up in the trees and written evolution off as a bad idea! Hell, I always thought the opposable thumb was overrated!
-John Sheridan, Babylon 5.
| 915 |
Targetpractice Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:20:00am |
re: #911 Killgore Trout
I guess there's some human psychology at work here but I don't understand why citizens aren't out in the streets beating the fuck out of rioters.
My only guess is that half don't want to get their asses beat when the mob turns on them, while the other half are quietly supportive of the mob if only because they hate the government in charge.
| 916 |
darthstar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:20:05am |
Last night's dinner...Hong Kong style steamed sea bass. Totally easy to make...just lay bass on top of sliced ginger, green onion and cilantro on a plate, put plate onto bamboo steamer, and after about 10 minutes remove and drizzle with hot chili oil and soy.
By the way...ceramic knives are nice to have - but they do chip so use them for vegetables but don't chop with them.
| 917 |
jamesfirecat Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:22:02am |
re: #913 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
You cannot get any more anti-American than Robert E. Lee.
Lol it's kinda like, his default setting.
To be fair to Robert E. Lee he wasn't Anti America so much as he was Pro-Virginia. If Virginia had sided with the Union he probably would have stayed loyal.
Now he put his loyalty to his home state before his loyalty to his country and that is the wrong thing to go about it, but I don't recall Lee ever being one of the firebrands who drove the secession in the first place....
| 918 |
Shiplord Kirel Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:22:12am |
Couldn't help myself, I just had to check out what Crazy Pam's pets at the English Defence League have to say about the riots. Their main theme is to whine about the supposedly ruthless police suppression of their own riots protests in contrast to the alleged kid glove treatment being given the London mobs.
Alongside all decent people in the UK, the EDL is shocked and horrified at what has been happening across the country for the last few nights. The rioting that has broken out all over the country should be a massive wake up call.We’re not going to jump out of place and blame this on Islam (that will surprise a few people) and we don’t really have a view on the racial aspects of the riots except for the following observation. For two years the EDL has staged legitimate protests and there has never been any significant criminal damage. Almost all of our demonstrations have been met with an overwhelming and vicious police presence that included dogs, horses and numerous cases of batons wielded against peaceful EDL members. We have countless reports going far back in time from our own stewards who have been assaulted by the police while they themselves were keeping order.
We know it’s not the rank and file police who are responsible because we know we have huge sympathy in their ranks. There is something very rotten being fed down from the top, however. It’s obvious that, perhaps because of a perceived “un-whiteness” of the current criminal looters, the police have not been ordered to crack heads. (emphasis added)
Most of you will recall that many of these "peaceful" EDL protests have been accompanied by massive violence directed at passersby, counter-protesters, and police.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:22:26am |
re: #912 Sergey Romanov
It's really all similar, regardless of country, ethnic origin etc. - you may remember the "Bronze soldier" riots in 2007 in Estonia. The plans to move the Soviet monument led to riots and lootings, where Russian youths together with Estonian youths were doing what these rioters are doing in UK (on a lesser scale - there were no burnings). Obviously, the monument issue was just a spark, and the underlying problem was the lack of Russian integration, with the Estonian policy not really helping the matters.
Estonia sounds like such an interesting place. Historically, anyway. My BFF used to work for a couple Estonian guys.
Anything can be the spark in a tinderbox society.
| 920 |
Gus Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:22:26am |
re: #899 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
If it's anything like the black bloc a-holes who cause problems in the Bay Area, it's out-of-towners. I guess we'll find out about London, but people are also very quick to clutch their guns when they read the word "youth".
I saw those assholes once at a pro-choice rally in San Francisco. I was in the pro-choice crowd. Wasn't many of them but they were way off in the distance and started smashing newspaper boxes. I think they set fire to one. The people around me were watching saying "assholes". They didn't cause much damage but they crowd was definitely against those morons. Typically they're delinquents or criminals that use any protest as a means for taking part in vandalism or worse.
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garhighway Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:22:42am |
re: #916 darthstar
Last night's dinner...a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net...] rel="shadowbox70db36fa">
By the way...ceramic knives are nice to have - but they do chip so use them for vegetables but don't chop with them.
Do they pass through metal detectors unnoticed?
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iossarian Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:23:10am |
re: #906 makeitstop
Anytime 'unnamed Democratic strategist' is quoted in Politico, my bullshit detector goes crazy.
Not me, unfortunately. I know several shiny-suited Democratic "political consultants" who would easily make such cleverstupid* remarks.
* cleverstupid, adj: of a remark, which the utterer believes is clever, but which is, in fact, stupid.
| 923 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:23:22am |
"Showing Rich People We Can Do What We Want" (London Riots)
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:23:42am |
re: #917 jamesfirecat
To be fair to Robert E. Lee he wasn't Anti America so much as he was Pro-Virginia. If Virginia had sided with the Union he probably would have stayed loyal.
Now he put his loyalty to his home state before his loyalty to his country and that is the wrong thing to go about it, but I don't recall Lee ever being one of the firebrands who drove the secession in the first place...
He ended up leading it and becoming rather infamous for that.
Dirty secessionist.
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Atlas Fails Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:24:11am |
re: #903 Rightwingconspirator
The 2012 quote of the day-Politico
Re:Obama
“Unless things change and Obama can run on accomplishments, he will have to kill Romney,” said a prominent Democratic strategist aligned with the White House.
Accomplishments like preventing a second Great Depression or killing the man responsible for 9/11? Obama frustrates me with his wishy-washy position on marriage equality and his willingness to acknowledge and deal with lunatics (see: the debt ceiling fiasco; birthers), but it surprises me that a Democratic strategist wouldn't be able to find some accomplishments for him to run on, unless of course it's one of those Fox News Democratic strategists who is brought on to meekly disagree with O'Reilly or Hannity before being violently shouted down.
| 927 |
makeitstop Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:24:22am |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:24:59am |
re: #920 Gus 802
I saw those assholes once at a pro-choice rally in San Francisco. I was in the pro-choice crowd. Wasn't many of them but they were way off in the distance and started smashing newspaper boxes. I think they set fire to one. The people around me were watching saying "assholes". They didn't cause much damage but they crowd was definitely against those morons. Typically they're delinquents or criminals that use any protest as a means for taking part in vandalism or worse.
Provocateurs.
A-holes.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:25:29am |
re: #917 jamesfirecat
To be fair to Robert E. Lee he wasn't Anti America so much as he was Pro-Virginia. If Virginia had sided with the Union he probably would have stayed loyal.
Now he put his loyalty to his home state before his loyalty to his country and that is the wrong thing to go about it, but I don't recall Lee ever being one of the firebrands who drove the secession in the first place...
Well done, James. That was a good fair-minded reading of the historical record.
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darthstar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:25:43am |
re: #921 garhighway
Do they pass through metal detectors unnoticed?
Not if you're traveling with a group of bell peppers, zucchini, and tomatoes.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:25:55am |
Crazy Pam: OBL Payback: US helicopter crashed in Taliban trap: Afghan official
I blame the President.
I believe the loose lips of this reckless, incompetent fraud cost this group of elite Navy Seals their lives. So obsessed was this mental patient with taking credit for something that he didn't have the stomach for (and didn't want), he ensured a US sacrifice of incalculable proportion. And I said so here.
| 932 |
darthstar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:26:24am |
re: #931 Killgore Trout
Crazy Pam: OBL Payback: US helicopter crashed in Taliban trap: Afghan official
you need to stop paying attention to her.
| 933 |
Lidane Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:26:59am |
re: #931 Killgore Trout
I think it's hilarious that Pam Geller is calling anyone else crazy.
Talk about a total lack of self-awareness.
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:27:35am |
re: #926 Atlas Fails
Accomplishments like preventing a second Great Depression or killing the man responsible for 9/11? Obama frustrates me with his wishy-washy position on marriage equality and his willingness to acknowledge and deal with lunatics (see: the debt ceiling fiasco; birthers), but it surprises me that a Democratic strategist wouldn't be able to find some accomplishments for him to run on, unless of course it's one of those Fox News Democratic strategists who is brought on to meekly disagree with O'Reilly or Hannity before being violently shouted down.
The GOP's hard at work spinning his accomplishments as either being A) Really failures/bad for America or B) Due to somebody else's work, while he takes the "credit." Case in point, they're busy spinning the stimulus spending as the reason for our "runaway debt," while they've been trying to downplay Obama's own contributions to the hunt for OBL as being nothing more than the guy who gave the "kill" order.
| 935 |
iossarian Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:28:22am |
re: #928 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Provocateurs.
A-holes.
The London thing feels a bit different though. In the case of anti-war marches etc., there's usually a more obvious split between the earnest protestors and the smash things up crowd.
In Tottenham, I don't think the line is quite as bright.
| 936 |
makeitstop Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:28:53am |
So obsessed was this mental patient
There's more projecting going on in that one phrase than at every multiplex in New York.
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Varek Raith Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:29:54am |
re: #935 iossarian
The London thing feels a bit different though. In the case of anti-war marches etc., there's usually a more obvious split between the earnest protestors and the smash things up crowd.
In Tottenham, I don't think the line is quite as bright.
I think all the earnest protestors went home and this is now a full scale smash and grab riot.
| 938 |
garhighway Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:30:41am |
re: #629 RogueOne
The AGW crowd gets caught routinely mis-representing reality and calling it "science!". When you've led for decades with doom and gloom, millions dead, billions dislocated, "we're all gonna die!", and then it turns out the warming is barely within the margin of error on the lowest scale possible...it should be hard to get worked up when the other side uses the same tactics.
What are you talking about?
| 939 |
iossarian Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:31:16am |
re: #935 iossarian
The London thing feels a bit different though. In the case of anti-war marches etc., there's usually a more obvious split between the earnest protestors and the smash things up crowd.
In Tottenham, I don't think the line is quite as bright.
I should clarify this: I think the vast majority of people in Tottenham (and elsewhere in London and the UK) have nothing but contempt for the rioters, and are in no way participants in the violence. But, I think that there is a more immediate sense of anger in the general population than in the case of anti-war and other such marches.
| 940 |
Gus Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:31:28am |
Crap. Just watched one of Rick Perry's ad for The Response. He's standing in front of the American flag and the state flag of Texas. A semi official announcement if you will. A violation of the Establishment Clause IMO.
| 941 |
darthstar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:33:46am |
re: #940 Gus 802
Crap. Just watched one of Rick Perry's ad for The Response. He's standing in front of the American flag and the state flag of Texas. A semi official announcement if you will. A violation of the Establishment Clause IMO.
This trickle down announcement thing people do these days really pisses me off. Either run or don't run. But don't give me that "I'm going to announce my decision to form an exploratory committee after the next twenty seven news cycles" bullshit.
| 942 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:34:01am |
re: #931 Killgore Trout
Crazy Pam: OBL Payback: US helicopter crashed in Taliban trap: Afghan official
I doubt the local Taliban even knew who was on that Chinook. The SEALs had been somewhere else when they got word that friendly troops were in a firefight. As a National Guard Chinook was right to hand, they loaded up and went out to help (that sort of air reinforcement was called 'pile-on' during the Vietnam War). The Taliban saw the helo coming and fired RPG-7 grenades at it. One of those RPGs sadly scored a direct hit. There's nothing more to the story than that.
| 943 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:34:58am |
re: #935 iossarian
The London thing feels a bit different though. In the case of anti-war marches etc., there's usually a more obvious split between the earnest protestors and the smash things up crowd.
In Tottenham, I don't think the line is quite as bright.
I think you're right - it was a total extrapolation (which I did note.) The last big protest in Oakland (not counting the recent police killing last week of a young man in Hunter's Point) had similar circumstances.
BART Police shot and killed a man, Oscar Grant, lying face down on a BART platform, hands behind back, everybody watching; they moved the cop trial to LA; the filth walked with involuntary manslaughter, and so "riots" broke out, mostly broken windows and other b.s. vandalism; most arrested causing problems were out of towners.
| 944 |
Lidane Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:35:49am |
re: #940 Gus 802
Crap. Just watched one of Rick Perry's ad for The Response. He's standing in front of the American flag and the state flag of Texas. A semi official announcement if you will. A violation of the Establishment Clause IMO.
Here in Texas, that won't affect him. This state's gone so far down the rabbit hole into deep red state fail that if he manages to win the GOP nomination people will still vote for him.
| 945 |
Targetpractice Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:36:21am |
re: #940 Gus 802
Crap. Just watched one of Rick Perry's ad for The Response. He's standing in front of the American flag and the state flag of Texas. A semi official announcement if you will. A violation of the Establishment Clause IMO.
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross."
- Sinclair Lewis
| 946 |
Winny Spencer Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:36:36am |
Why doesn't the Cameron government smash the riots? Instate a curfew and arrest every single bum who violates it.
| 947 |
Atlas Fails Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:36:44am |
re: #934 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
The GOP's hard at work spinning his accomplishments as either being A) Really failures/bad for America or B) Due to somebody else's work, while he takes the "credit." Case in point, they're busy spinning the stimulus spending as the reason for our "runaway debt," while they've been trying to downplay Obama's own contributions to the hunt for OBL as being nothing more than the guy who gave the "kill" order.
Anyone who falls for such bullshit deserves a square and viscous kick to the genitals, especially considering it was a middle-class tax cut. These dick-for-brains Tea Baggers don't even realize that they've been manipulated into quite literally protesting their own tax cuts and against closing loopholes for rich peop-er, job creators who wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.
| 948 |
lawhawk Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:37:03am |
re: #941 darthstar
It sucks, but it's also a way to get free press and game the media cycle to maximize coverage for no cost. It also gives the potential candidate the ability to gauge response without having to go all in right off the bat.
But it also shows a surprising lack of confidence that he or she will succeed. It's like dipping your toe in the water to see if it's too hot or cold, and then deciding to do it again .. and again... and again. Voters (and more importantly donors) will tire of that routine and fixate on those who are already declared candidates or demand that those who are playing this game just declare their intentions.
| 949 |
Gus Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:37:47am |
re: #931 Killgore Trout
Crazy Pam: OBL Payback: US helicopter crashed in Taliban trap: Afghan official
Pathetic. There was going to be payback regardless. And like DF mentions they didn't know who was on that Chinhook. That would take a serious breech of security from within the services and especially from the Navy. She is by implication indicting the Navy. If you're the Taliban or AQ and you see a big ol' giant Chinhook come into your sights you're going to fire regardless.
| 950 |
iossarian Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:37:52am |
re: #946 Winny Spencer
Why doesn't the Cameron government smash the riots? Instate a curfew and arrest every single bum who violates it.
I would love it if they tried this, but sadly I think the Conservatives have learned at least a couple of tricks from more progressively-minded people at this stage.
| 951 |
Lidane Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:38:51am |
re: #947 Atlas Fails
they've been manipulated into quite literally protesting their own tax cuts and against closing loopholes for rich peop-er, job creators who wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.
That's true for anyone earning under $250k a year who votes Republican. They're literally voting against their own economic interests.
| 952 |
Shiplord Kirel Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:39:15am |
re: #940 Gus 802
Crap. Just watched one of Rick Perry's ad for The Response. He's standing in front of the American flag and the state flag of Texas. A semi official announcement if you will. A violation of the Establishment Clause IMO.
There is something downright sinister about Perry's prayer meeting. He is no Bachmann, she at least appears to be sincere in her lunacy. Perry, otoh, has always been a transparently obvious corporate shill and Gilded Age throwback. Given the make-up of the prayer meeting, he apparently thinks that the interests of his corporate cronies are best served by aligning himself not just with the religious right, but with the craziest fringes of the religious right, the supernaturalists, dominionists, and conspiracy cranks. What is he aiming for here?
| 953 |
Someone Please Beam Me Up! Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:40:02am |
...and all the ads served up today say "buy gold."
| 954 |
Lidane Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:40:16am |
re: #952 Shiplord Kirel
What is he aiming for here?
The GOP nomination.
This tent revival of his got the far right freaks on his side, and he's already got the corporate shills on his side since he's one of them. Now all that's left is beating the rest of the GOP field.
| 955 |
Amory Blaine Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:40:26am |
something is fucking up my browsers today causing them to freeze...
| 956 |
Targetpractice Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:40:32am |
re: #947 Atlas Fails
Anyone who falls for such bullshit deserves a square and viscous kick to the genitals, especially considering it was a middle-class tax cut. These dick-for-brains Tea Baggers don't even realize that they've been manipulated into quite literally protesting their own tax cuts and against closing loopholes for rich peop-er, job creators who wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.
My favorite bit about the stimulus is that some $300 billion or so of it was dedicated to tax cuts, the cost of which the Tea Partiers keep bashing Obama with. Yet, at the same time, they insist that the Bush Tax Cuts can't be seen as spending, because it supposedly doesn't cost the government anything to let people keep "their" money.
Sad thing is, the average voter isn't likely to notice this contradiction, because he only hears "tax cuts" and cheers.
| 957 |
HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:40:32am |
Crazy Pam has a pathological hatred. It'd be humorous if it wasn't an example of mental illness.
| 958 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:41:26am |
re: #944 Lidane
Here in Texas, that won't affect him. This state's gone so far down the rabbit hole into deep red state fail that if he manages to win the GOP nomination people will still vote for him.
I think it will actually serve him very well all over the country. There are enough Christian-supremacist dupes in the GOP who don't care about anything else but being told the things that frighten and intimidate them will be criminalized.
They're ripe to be exploited, and Perry's the perfect opportunist to do it.
| 959 |
Targetpractice Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:42:13am |
re: #954 Lidane
The GOP nomination.
This tent revival of his got the far right freaks on his side, and he's already got the corporate shills on his side since he's one of them. Now all that's left is beating the rest of the GOP field.
And for that, he's likely to rely upon sheer charisma. Which puts him ahead of Romney, who's got all the appeal of balsa wood. The only one that comes close to him is Bachmann, and he can sell himself to the moderate voters as being at least somewhat sane.
| 960 |
Obdicut Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:43:40am |
re: #957 HappyWarrior
Crazy Pam has a pathological hatred. It'd be humorous if it wasn't an example of mental illness.
She's Fred Phelps at this point. She's a half-inch away from showing up at those soldier's funerals and saying that Obama is to blame. She needs a "God Hates Obama" shirt.
| 961 |
Gus Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:43:56am |
re: #952 Shiplord Kirel
There is something downright sinister about Perry's prayer meeting. He is no Bachmann, she at least appears to be sincere in her lunacy. Perry, otoh, has always been a transparently obvious corporate shill and Gilded Age throwback. Given the make-up of the prayer meeting, he apparently thinks that the interests of his corporate cronies are best served by aligning himself not just with the religious right, but with the craziest fringes of the religious right, the supernaturalists, dominionists, and conspiracy cranks. What is he aiming for here?
He's appealing to the traditional GOP base: the religious right wing. And of course this is all part of a recent trend in the American landscape even outside of politics. "The response" if you will is all part of a response to the presidency of Obama. And, in these hard economic times, extremism -- which this is a form or religious extremism given the knowledge of The Response's political agenda -- tends to creep up. The political subtext probably being "pray for America because we are in grave danger as we are being led by Godless liberals!"
| 962 |
Amory Blaine Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:44:12am |
re: #958 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I think it will actually serve him very well all over the country. There are enough Christian-supremacist dupes in the GOP who don't care about anything else but being told the things that frighten and intimidate them will be criminalized.
They're ripe to be exploited, and Perry's the perfect opportunist to do it.
| 963 |
HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:44:23am |
re: #960 Obdicut
She's Fred Phelps at this point. She's a half-inch away from showing up at those soldier's funerals and saying that Obama is to blame. She needs a "God Hates Obama" shirt.
It wouldn't shock me if that happened.
| 964 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:45:42am |
re: #952 Shiplord Kirel
There is something downright sinister about Perry's prayer meeting. He is no Bachmann, she at least appears to be sincere in her lunacy. Perry, otoh, has always been a transparently obvious corporate shill and Gilded Age throwback. Given the make-up of the prayer meeting, he apparently thinks that the interests of his corporate cronies are best served by aligning himself not just with the religious right, but with the craziest fringes of the religious right, the supernaturalists, dominionists, and conspiracy cranks. What is he aiming for here?
Solidifying them into more than just stupid 23%ers would be my guess. I think he's going to get pretty far with it -- his challenge is going to be getting that blueblood money, which imo will go to Romney. Christ help us when Meghan, Cindy McCain and Romney make the most sense out of all of them.
| 965 |
Shiplord Kirel Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:45:44am |
I still think the Democrats will eat Perry's liver if he wins the nomination. By itself, the lunatic mob at the prayer meeting can furnish enough dirt to fill dozens of TV spots.
| 967 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:47:28am |
| 968 |
Amory Blaine Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:47:32am |
re: #966 iossarian
Spewing his racism all over FOX news.
| 969 |
Gus Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:47:51am |
re: #962 Amory Blaine
Yeah but don't mention the banjos playing in the background when Huckabee speaks. That would be insensitive! Confederates that they are.
| 970 |
lawhawk Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:48:22am |
Good news: Polygamist sect leader Warren Jeffs, convicted on two counts of sexual assault of a child, sentenced to life in prison
| 971 |
HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:48:44am |
I think Perry will defeat Romney. Bachmann's been pretty competitive with him which is quite an accomplishment for a congresswoman who has accomplished nothing and only has her conservative credentials and TP embrace to go on. Perry has the crazy conservativeness that Bachmann has but with executive experience. He's been governor of Texas longer than she's been representative And after seeing how Perry went after Hutchson in the GOP primary in TExas, I think he'd fight Romney hard too. Plus as said, Perry has corporate connections, Bachmann doesn't have that.
| 972 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:49:38am |
re: #943 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I think you're right - it was a total extrapolation (which I did note.) The last big protest in Oakland (not counting the recent police killing last week of a young man in Hunter's Point) had similar circumstances.
BART Police shot and killed a man, Oscar Grant, lying face down on a BART platform, hands behind back, everybody watching; they moved the cop trial to LA; the filth walked with involuntary manslaughter, and so "riots" broke out, mostly broken windows and other b.s. vandalism; most arrested causing problems were out of towners.
I actually thought the verdict was just in that case. Intent to kill was not at all clear and it did seem to be a tragic screw-up. Now that cop and killed someone, and he did have to pay for that, but it was not murder.
| 973 |
Varek Raith Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:50:13am |
| 974 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:51:10am |
re: #949 Gus 802
Pathetic. There was going to be payback regardless. And like DF mentions they didn't know who was on that Chinhook. That would take a serious breech of security from within the services and especially from the Navy. She is by implication indicting the Navy. If you're the Taliban or AQ and you see a big ol' giant Chinhook come into your sights you're going to fire regardless.
Quoted For Truth.
| 975 |
HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:51:24am |
| 976 |
garhighway Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:51:33am |
re: #971 HappyWarrior
I think Perry will defeat Romney. Bachmann's been pretty competitive with him which is quite an accomplishment for a congresswoman who has accomplished nothing and only has her conservative credentials and TP embrace to go on. Perry has the crazy conservativeness that Bachmann has but with executive experience. He's been governor of Texas longer than she's been representative And after seeing how Perry went after Hutchson in the GOP primary in TExas, I think he'd fight Romney hard too. Plus as said, Perry has corporate connections, Bachmann doesn't have that.
I'm not sure it is clear yet where the big GOP money is lining up, and historically, that determines the outcome. Romney's getting some, and Perry might get some, but a lot is still on the sidelines.
Romney's best shot is to be the sole grown-up on the dias. I'm not sure how Perry affects that.
| 977 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:51:33am |
Iran's trollin' thunder:
Iran urges UK to restrain police
Iranian Foreign Ministry Spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast urged the British government to order the police to stop their violent confrontation with the people, IRNA reported in the early hours of Tuesday.
Mehmanparast asked the British government to start dialogue with the protesters and to listen to their demands in order to calm the situation down.
The Iranian official also asked independent human rights organizations to investigate the killing in order to protect the civil rights and civil liberties.
| 978 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:52:13am |
| 979 |
Varek Raith Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:52:20am |
re: #969 Gus 802
Yeah but don't mention the banjos playing in the background when Huckabee speaks. That would be insensitive! Confederates that they are.
| 980 |
recusancy Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:53:01am |
Democratic Party: Favorable 47%, Unfavorable 47%
Republican Party: Favorable 33%, Unfavorable 59%
The last poll before this one was from July 20th when the numbers were
Dem: Fav: 45%, Unfav 49% GOP: Fav: 41%, Unfav 55%
(via)
Looks like the GOP isn't necessarily taking everyone down with them.
| 981 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:53:10am |
re: #977 negativ
Iran's trollin' thunder:
After what Iran did to its own protestors, Mr. Mehmanparast can go fuck himself with a railroad spike.
| 982 |
Varek Raith Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:54:23am |
| 983 |
Gus Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:54:24am |
re: #967 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Lord, please send us better dumb bigots. These ones are broken.
One thing is for certain. There is no shortage of bigots in this country.
| 984 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:54:34am |
re: #965 Shiplord Kirel
I still think the Democrats will eat Perry's liver if he wins the nomination. By itself, the lunatic mob at the prayer meeting can furnish enough dirt to fill dozens of TV spots.
Not so sure - the footage is (deliberately, imo) quite tame. This entire thing has been stage managed from stem to stern. What I think will happen is, he'll go pretty far, get "momentum" and the normal people left in the GOP will once again silence themselves, not that they can ever be counted on to stand up to their own bigots, anyway.
Perry gets either the nomination or named for VP, again, no normal GOP conformist will dare speak out against it, though they know he could be another Palin for them.
But without him, they don't have a prayer of unseating Obama....which is the main goal, uber alles. That's my view. I think he's going to be a machine. I sure hope I'm wrong.
| 985 |
makeitstop Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:55:18am |
re: #971 HappyWarrior
I think Perry will defeat Romney. Bachmann's been pretty competitive with him which is quite an accomplishment for a congresswoman who has accomplished nothing and only has her conservative credentials and TP embrace to go on. Perry has the crazy conservativeness that Bachmann has but with executive experience. He's been governor of Texas longer than she's been representative And after seeing how Perry went after Hutchson in the GOP primary in TExas, I think he'd fight Romney hard too. Plus as said, Perry has corporate connections, Bachmann doesn't have that.
The upside here is before any of these loons tries to rip Obama apart, they're going to have to try and rip each other apart first.
Their naked ambition is going to leave whoever's left standing a (metaphorical) bloody mess. And whatever the eventual nominee uses to dispatch his rivals will become perfect fodder for the general campaign oppo ads because they'll already have been tested in the primaries.
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Gus Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:57:02am |
re: #984 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Not so sure - the footage is (deliberately, imo) quite tame. This entire thing has been stage managed from stem to stern. What I think will happen is, he'll go pretty far, get "momentum" and the normal people left in the GOP will once again silence themselves, not that they can ever be counted on to stand up to their own bigots, anyway.
Perry gets either the nomination or named for VP, again, no normal GOP conformist will dare speak out against it, though they know he could be another Palin for them.
But without him, they don't have a prayer of unseating Obama...which is the main goal, uber alles. That's my view. I think he's going to be a machine. I sure hope I'm wrong.
Perry is to Romney as Huckabee was to McCain?
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:57:46am |
re: #980 recusancy
Democratic Party: Favorable 47%, Unfavorable 47%
Republican Party: Favorable 33%, Unfavorable 59%
The last poll before this one was from July 20th when the numbers were
Dem: Fav: 45%, Unfav 49% GOP: Fav: 41%, Unfav 55%(via)
Looks like the GOP isn't necessarily taking everyone down with them.
Still early. And even if they seem more favorable over the GOP, as the poll I posted earlier shows, the average voter's starting to get tired of the current dysfunction on Capital Hill, such that we could be looking at another round of anti-incumbent votes next November.
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Atlas Fails Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:58:12am |
re: #975 HappyWarrior
Ah more race baiting from Fox. Pathetic.
STOP CALLING US RACIST EVERYONE KNOWS THAT LIBRULS AND NEGROES ARE THE REAL RACISTS!!!!!11ty NATIONAL SOCIALISM!!!!!!!!11!11
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:58:20am |
re: #985 makeitstop
The upside here is before any of these loons tries to rip Obama apart, they're going to have to try and rip each other apart first.
Their naked ambition is going to leave whoever's left standing a (metaphorical) bloody mess. And whatever the eventual nominee uses to dispatch his rivals will become perfect fodder for the general campaign oppo ads because they'll already have been tested in the primaries.
True, have to say the reason why I think it won't be Romney is you know someone is going to bring up Romneycare and the fact that his judicial appointees in Massachusetts ending up ruling in favor of gay marriage's legality. Now in the past, he could probably try to say it was states rights but with that pledge he signed regarding a federal ban against gay marriage that's not gonna work. Plus, Mitt hasn't exactly endeared himself to the TP.
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lawhawk Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:59:50am |
The New Yorker on Bachmann is an interesting look at this woman's background, and the confluence of religious and political conservatism - and it's the religious side that has won out..
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Amory Blaine Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:00:08am |
re: #925 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
"I just work here" Is not an excuse.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:00:17am |
re: #912 Sergey Romanov
It's really all similar, regardless of country, ethnic origin etc. - you may remember the "Bronze soldier" riots in 2007 in Estonia. The plans to move the Soviet monument led to riots and lootings, where Russian youths together with Estonian youths were doing what these rioters are doing in UK (on a lesser scale - there were no burnings). Obviously, the monument issue was just a spark, and the underlying problem was the lack of Russian integration, with the Estonian policy not really helping the matters.
Not excusing any of the criminal activity, but I thought this was rather to the point:
As political and social protests grip the Middle East, are growing in Europe and a riot exploded in north London this weekend, here's a sad truth, expressed by a Londoner when asked by a television reporter: Is rioting the correct way to express your discontent?
"Yes," said the young man. "You wouldn't be talking to me now if we didn't riot, would you?"
The TV reporter from Britain's ITV had no response. So the young man pressed his advantage. "Two months ago we marched to Scotland Yard, more than 2,000 of us, all blacks, and it was peaceful and calm and you know what? Not a word in the press. Last night a bit of rioting and looting and look around you."
[Link: worldblog.msnbc.msn.com...]
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Gus Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:00:24am |
re: #988 Atlas Fails
STOP CALLING US RACIST EVERYONE KNOWS THAT LIBRULS AND NEGROES ARE THE REAL RACISTS!!!11ty NATIONAL SOCIALISM!!!11!11
FTFY
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:00:44am |
Religion would work against Perry with moderates and independents in the general. All the Dems have to do is trot out Sun Goddess guy or some of Perry's anti-Baal activist buddies.
Otoh, religion will work for Romney. Assholes like Bill Maher and a cast of thousands will just not be able to restrain themselves from attacking his Mormonism. The GOP spin machine will have no trouble generalizing this into a bigoted assault by the opposition and tarring the Democrats with it. They would try the same thing in defense of Perry, of course, but it would be an impossible sell.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:00:47am |
re: #988 Atlas Fails
STOP CALLING US RACIST EVERYONE KNOWS THAT LIBRULS AND NEGROES ARE THE REAL RACISTS!!!11ty NATIONAL SOCIALISM!!!11!11
And Islamists too!
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recusancy Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:01:36am |
re: #992 000G
Not excusing any of the criminal activity, but I thought this was rather to the point:
[Link: worldblog.msnbc.msn.com...]
He's got a point.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:01:46am |
re: #972 Dark_Falcon
I actually thought the verdict was just in that case.
I'd expect you to see any similar verdict as "just", too. Next, you'll be telling me the Grant family should be grateful for that wristslap.
Hey, eggs/omlettes. "Bad judgment" that ends with a man shot dead with his face in the concrete with zero remorse, poor Johannes! He had to serve a couple months! With CRIMINALS!
Let's be politically correct and not refer to it as murder, that might hurt someone's feelings!
rotfl
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Atlas Fails Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:02:26am |
re: #993 Gus 802
FTFY
Thanks, I'm not that computer savvy and haven't figured out how to type in sans.
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makeitstop Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:03:48am |
re: #990 lawhawk
The New Yorker on Bachmann is an interesting look at this woman's background, and the confluence of religious and political conservatism - and it's the religious side that has won out..
That is quite a read. Armchair psychologists will have a field day.
That woman's shit is seriously tangled up.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:04:51am |
You know there's another angle I thought about regarding Romney and Perry or anyone else for that matter. They may try to portray themselves as a winner (Perry has after all won uh three governor races) and Romney has only won one election I believe his whole career. They may use that to portray him as more "electable."
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:05:32am |
re: #986 Gus 802
Perry is to Romney as Huckabee was to McCain?
Well, that would be great, since Huckabee never made it to the ticket.
I think Perry could do better, though. Total speculation, but I think he'll be on the tix in one of those slots.
The GOP is going to have to find someone to pull the moderates away from Obama, though, and convince us on the left to stay home. Otherwise, they're sunk.
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makeitstop Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:06:12am |
re: #998 Atlas Fails
Thanks, I'm not that computer savvy and haven't figured out how to type in sans.
[ wingnut ] your wingnut text [ /wingnut ]
Remove the spaces between the brackets and you got yourself some Sans.
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:06:36am |
re: #994 Shiplord Kirel
Religion would work against Perry with moderates and independents in the general. All the Dems have to do is trot out Sun Goddess guy or some of Perry's anti-Baal activist buddies.
Otoh, religion will work for Romney. Assholes like Bill Maher and a cast of thousands will just not be able to restrain themselves from attacking his Mormonism. The GOP spin machine will have no trouble generalizing this into a bigoted assault by the opposition and tarring the Democrats with it. They would try the same thing in defense of Perry, of course, but it would be an impossible sell.
Somehow, I don't see GOP moderates as being the group upon whom the party nomination will hinge. I could be wrong, but I sincerely doubt that, come primary time, most of those left in the party will amount to much compared to the Tea Party "base."
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b_sharp Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:07:02am |
re: #999 makeitstop
That is quite a read. Armchair psychologists will have a field day.
That woman's shit is seriously tangled up.
That does not evoke a good image.
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Kragar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:07:10am |
re: #1003 makeitstop
[ wingnut ] your wingnut text [ /wingnut ]
Remove the spaces between the brackets and you got yourself some Sans.
HERETIC!
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:08:08am |
re: #1001 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Well, that would be great, since Huckabee never made it to the ticket.
I think Perry could do better, though. Total speculation, but I think he'll be on the tix in one of those slots.
The GOP is going to have to find someone to pull the moderates away from Obama, though, and convince us on the left to stay home. Otherwise, they're sunk.
That's actually the funny part of this whole joke, namely that the GOP will have a far easier time finding a wingnut to balance out a moderate presidential candidate than vice versa.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:08:22am |
re: #988 Atlas Fails
STOP CALLING US RACIST EVERYONE KNOWS THAT LIBRULS AND NEGROES ARE THE REAL RACISTS!!!11ty NATIONAL SOCIALISM!!!11!11
I am NOT a racist!! I even tried to screw the Black girl my dad let work for us, once!
SO STOP SAYING THAT!!!
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Someone Please Beam Me Up! Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:08:32am |
re: #994 Shiplord Kirel
Religion would work against Perry with moderates and independents in the general. All the Dems have to do is trot out Sun Goddess guy or some of Perry's anti-Baal activist buddies.
Otoh, religion will work for Romney. Assholes like Bill Maher and a cast of thousands will just not be able to restrain themselves from attacking his Mormonism. The GOP spin machine will have no trouble generalizing this into a bigoted assault by the opposition and tarring the Democrats with it. They would try the same thing in defense of Perry, of course, but it would be an impossible sell.
That might get Romney sympathy from moderates, but the Christian right votes in (Republican) primaries, and they're not going to vote for a Mormon, I don't think. And don't forget his past "moderate" stands.
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Atlas Fails Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:09:28am |
re: #994 Shiplord Kirel
Can you imagine the cries of Christian Persecution (TM) if Obama attacked Perry's radical religious connections? I'm rooting for him to win the nomination for the delicious tears that will inevitably flow from Bryan Fischer's and David Barton's crazed eyes when some Godless Librul points out that Perry aligns himself with some of the most loathsome bigots in the country. "Well what is was a MUSLIM?!?! *sniff*"
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:09:39am |
re: #984 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Not so sure - the footage is (deliberately, imo) quite tame. This entire thing has been stage managed from stem to stern. What I think will happen is, he'll go pretty far, get "momentum" and the normal people left in the GOP will once again silence themselves, not that they can ever be counted on to stand up to their own bigots, anyway.
Perry gets either the nomination or named for VP, again, no normal GOP conformist will dare speak out against it, though they know he could be another Palin for them.
But without him, they don't have a prayer of unseating Obama...which is the main goal, uber alles. That's my view. I think he's going to be a machine. I sure hope I'm wrong.
The meeting itself was pretty tame, to be sure, but there is plenty of footage and other documentation of the major participants making insane statements on other occasions. These could be juxtaposed with their involvement with Perry. For example, a video runs of one of the loons with Perry at the meeting. The narrator states the extent of their mutual involvement. This contrasts with another video of the same loon saying something loony, or, if that is unavailable, the narrator reading such a quote and giving the source.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:10:10am |
Doesn't Perry have a better relationship with the business world than Huckabee? It's not a totally out of line comparison though.
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b_sharp Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:10:34am |
re: #1009 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I am NOT a racist!! I even tried to screw the Black girl my dad let work for us, once!
SO STOP SAYING THAT!!!
What your imaginary rwnj friend didn't mention is that he also tried to screw a picnic table.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:10:39am |
re: #990 lawhawk
The New Yorker on Bachmann is an interesting look at this woman's background, and the confluence of religious and political conservatism - and it's the religious side that has won out..
Yeah, we were talking about that a couple nights ago.
I'm from that same branch of whackodoodle xianity, so I know those kinds of women quite well. Palin is something of a poser, but Bachmann is the real thing. And homegirl isn't messing around, either.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:11:04am |
re: #990 lawhawk
The New Yorker on Bachmann is an interesting look at this woman's background, and the confluence of religious and political conservatism - and it's the religious side that has won out..
Fascinating article. Interesting how she and her husband supported Carter but grew more and more reactionary in to the 80's and beyond.
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Atlas Fails Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:11:22am |
re: #1011 Atlas Fails
Can you imagine the cries of Christian Persecution (TM) if Obama attacked Perry's radical religious connections? I'm rooting for him to win the nomination for the delicious tears that will inevitably flow from Bryan Fischer's and David Barton's crazed eyes when some Godless Librul points out that Perry aligns himself with some of the most loathsome bigots in the country. "Well what if he was a MUSLIM?!?! *sniff*"
fixed
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makeitstop Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:12:53am |
re: #1005 b_sharp
That does not evoke a good image.
Neither does the article.
I mentioned this last night - both she and her husband, for all of their supposed certainty about their faith, sound naive about a lot of how the world works. She marvels about the private jet they've hired to fly around in, he clumsily tried working the reports by trying to 'analyze' them, like analysis is some kind of parlor game. She says that her come-to-Jesus moment meant that she 'finally had a father,' after her real father divorced her mother and split.
Lots of weird shit going on in her head. No wonder she's such a faith-bot.
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:14:13am |
re: #1011 Atlas Fails
Can you imagine the cries of Christian Persecution (TM) if Obama attacked Perry's radical religious connections? I'm rooting for him to win the nomination for the delicious tears that will inevitably flow from Bryan Fischer's and David Barton's crazed eyes when some Godless Librul points out that Perry aligns himself with some of the most loathsome bigots in the country. "Well what is was a MUSLIM?!?! *sniff*"
Look for them to trot out Ayers and Wright again, proclaiming that Obama's "no different" for paling around with "extremists."
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:14:32am |
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CuriousLurker Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:14:50am |
Incredible. Geller & Spender have the gall to compare themselves to the Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.
Those who claim that we have incited hatred that leads to violence are using an argument that can be used against themselves.…In the 1960s, the Ku Klux Klan blamed Martin Luther King, Jr. for the Watts riots. King was steadfastly nonviolent, but he agreed with the political perspectives of the rioters. Was he then responsible for creating a climate of hatred that led to the riots? Was his righteous cause delegimitized by the fact that some departed from his express wishes and resorted to violence?
Using their analogy, I guess that means everyone who criticized them are the equivalent of KKK members.
BBL—I just couldn't resist dropping off that little gem of insanity.
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makeitstop Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:15:26am |
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Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:15:56am |
re: #629 RogueOne
The AGW crowd gets caught routinely mis-representing reality and calling it "science!". When you've led for decades with doom and gloom, millions dead, billions dislocated, "we're all gonna die!", and then it turns out the warming is barely within the margin of error on the lowest scale possible...it should be hard to get worked up when the other side uses the same tactics.
My problem with the AGW crowd has always been when they say "we're 95-99% certain!". Knowing how little we actually know and knowing that every year we learn half a dozen things about our planet that are counter to what we thought...it makes my bullshit meter go off every time I hear it.
Your bullshit meter is calibrated backwards.
Why don't you ever apply the same standard of proof to the bullshit that right wing propagandists spew about climate change? You just recited a list of dumb talking points, so I'll challenge you to to produce ONE example of climate scientists "misrepresenting reality." That's utter crap.
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:16:10am |
re: #1020 Shiplord Kirel
re: #1010 C1nnabar
I was referring to Perry opposing Obama in the general election, where moderate and independent votes will weigh much more heavily than in the primaries.
Even in the general, I doubt Perry's being a religious fundy (or at least playing at being one) will count overly against him. Remember, the last Texan in office declared that God had chosen him to lead the nation. It's not exactly like America's adverse to putting bible-thumpers in the White House.
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engineer cat Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:17:10am |
not really sure what to expect from the imminent perrygasm
it's imminent but still immanent
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b_sharp Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:17:28am |
re: #1023 Charles
Your bullshit meter is calibrated backwards.
Why don't you ever apply the same standard of proof to the bullshit that right wing propagandists spew about climate change? You just recited a list of dumb talking points, so I'll challenge you to to produce ONE example of climate scientists "misrepresenting reality." That's utter crap.
Rogue has bought into Climategate without investigating any further.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:17:36am |
And as for the complaints that Newsweek picked the "worst" picture for this cover -- face it. This is what Bachmann looks like, and it's not hard at all to find more examples. She's deranged.
The picture is dead-on accurate.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:17:36am |
re: #1021 CuriousLurker
Incredible. Geller & Spender have the gall to compare themselves to the Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.
Using their analogy, I guess that means everyone who criticized them are the equivalent of KKK members.
BBL—I just couldn't resist dropping off that little gem of insanity.
That's sick. Really, MLK fought for equal rights, and Spencer and Geller's fight is to make Muslim Americans second class citizens.
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makeitstop Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:17:46am |
re: #1024 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Remember, the last Texan in office declared that God had chosen him to lead the nation.
But didn't he say that after he was already in the White House?
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jaunte Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:17:58am |
re: #999 makeitstop
That is quite a read. Armchair psychologists will have a field day.
That woman's shit is seriously tangled up.
From the New Yorker article: "Muskego is a town in Wisconsin, the state where Bachmann’s forebears, the Munsons, settled in 1857, twelve years after the manifesto was written. Then, in 1861, they moved west, to the Dakota Territory, near present-day Elk Point, South Dakota."
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:18:47am |
re: #1012 Shiplord Kirel
The meeting itself was pretty tame, to be sure, but there is plenty of footage and other documentation of the major participants making insane statements on other occasions. These could be juxtaposed with their involvement with Perry. For example, a video runs of one of the loons with Perry at the meeting. The narrator states the extent of their mutual involvement. This contrasts with another video of the same loon saying something loony, or, if that is unavailable, the narrator reading such a quote and giving the source.
Oh yeah, there's plenty that can be used. Any number of quotes from Bryan Fischer (head of AFA, the main sponsor of the event) won't win them any friends with the one voting bloc they're on their heads to acquire, the Black vote. I hope all people can dig up is dumped on him, like they plan on dumping their conservative Christian-supremacist lifestyle on everyone else.
I'm just saying if the GOP/RNC thinks they can beat the incumbent with Jeff Davis Lite, they'll go with him, warts and all. I think he's Romney's main challenge right now. I don't have any reason to believe the GOP constituency or leadership will come to their senses on 2012, but I do hold out that hope, fwiw.
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b_sharp Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:18:50am |
re: #1028 HappyWarrior
That's sick. Really, MLK fought for equal rights, and Spencer and Geller's fight is to make Muslim Americans second class citizens.
Some rwnj have no idea how to use or interpret arguments by analogy.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:19:12am |
One interesting tidbit for me regarding Bachmann in light of the revelations that she's enjoyed a book that has attempted to the experiences of slaves is the statement that her father was a Civil War buff who strongly believed the Union was right and an adamant Democrat too.
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makeitstop Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:19:46am |
re: #1027 Charles
And as for the complaints that Newsweek picked the "worst" picture for this cover -- face it. This is what Bachmann looks like, and it's not hard at all to find more examples. She's deranged.
The picture is dead-on accurate.
That's what I keep saying - they're complaining that the picture isn't airbrushed and glammed up to remove any 'objectionable' features like crow's feet, wrinkles, and those Manson eyes.
They don't want a real person, they want an idealized image of one.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:19:52am |
re: #745 makeitstop
Fully agree.
It's funny to me that people are complaining about this photo - that is, by objective standards, really what she looks like.
They're complaining that the photo isn't glammed up and stylized, because it screws up their impression of Bachmann the Ideal.
They don't want a real person. They want a mockup of a real person. That's fucking batty.
Kind of sort of. The long-standing practice is to run a stylized shot. I'm honestly not sure if Michele's crazy eyes can fit that category or not.
I would have gone with a different photo.
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:21:01am |
re: #1029 makeitstop
But didn't he say that after he was already in the White House?
True enough, but it wasn't exactly a secret that Bush was anything less than "spiritual." Hell, I'll consider it a major accomplishment in this nation when we have a president who's openly atheist.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:21:04am |
re: #1014 b_sharp
What your imaginary rwnj friend didn't mention is that he also tried to screw a picnic table.
(Well, truth be told, he's got weird, um, issues about beehives and honey. I suggested he just keep it in his fantasy life, or else find himself really embarassed at the emergency room.)
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:21:35am |
How does a state that gave us Hubert Humphrey give us Bachmann?
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:21:48am |
re: #997 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
You may not like the law. But that's what it is. The prosecution could not show intent. Without that, it is legally manslaughter not murder. So what do you want? Vigilanteism? To have the cop lynched? It sure seems that way.
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CuriousLurker Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:22:10am |
re: #1028 HappyWarrior
That's sick. Really, MLK fought for equal rights, and Spencer and Geller's fight is to make Muslim Americans second class citizens.
Yeah, they need to stop spinning 'cause now they're so dizzy they're just stumbling all over the place crashing into all sorts of crazy crap.
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b_sharp Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:22:20am |
re: #1034 makeitstop
That's what I keep saying - they're complaining that the picture isn't airbrushed and glammed up to remove any 'objectionable' features like crow's feet, wrinkles, and those Manson eyes.
They don't want a real person, they want an idealized image of one.
Political porn.
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:22:57am |
re: #1034 makeitstop
That's what I keep saying - they're complaining that the picture isn't airbrushed and glammed up to remove any 'objectionable' features like crow's feet, wrinkles, and those Manson eyes.
They don't want a real person, they want an idealized image of one.
They want the myth, not the reality. That's not exactly something new in recent years.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:23:00am |
re: #1039 wlewisiii
So what do you want?
Do you really want to know, or are you going to answer for me?
Vigilanteism? To have the cop lynched? It sure seems that way.
Yeah, you're not ready for this conversation.
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makeitstop Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:23:14am |
re: #1035 SanFranciscoZionist
I would have gone with a different photo.
Maybe that was the best of the lot.
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Kragar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:23:17am |
I see Crazy Pam is doubling down on the stupid this morning, holding Obama directly responsible for the SEAL team deaths.
You found him out Pam. Obama specifically ordered those SEALs on to that helicopter in the middle of a combat zone, then ordered the pilot to fly along a specific route that he had told the Taliban about. The Taliban knew exactly which helicopter had the SEAL team aboard it, specifically so they could get revenge for the death of Bin Laden. Your deductive reasoning skills are amazing. Bravo.
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:23:43am |
re: #1040 CuriousLurker
Yeah, they need to stop spinning 'cause now they're so dizzy they're just stumbling all over the place crashing into all sorts of crazy crap.
How's the fast going?
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b_sharp Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:23:53am |
re: #1037 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
What your imaginary rwnj friend didn't mention is that he also tried to screw a picnic table.
(Well, truth be told, he's got weird, um, issues about beehives and honey. I suggested he just keep it in his fantasy life, or else find himself really embarassed at the emergency room.)
Gotcha. Like the time with the jar and the bathtub.
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:23:57am |
re: #1045 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I see Crazy Pam is doubling down on the stupid this morning, holding Obama directly responsible for the SEAL team deaths.
You found him out Pam. Obama specifically ordered those SEALs on to that helicopter in the middle of a combat zone, then ordered the pilot to fly along a specific route that he had told the Taliban about. The Taliban knew exactly which helicopter had the SEAL team aboard it, specifically so they could get revenge for the death of Bin Laden. Your deductive reasoning skills are amazing. Bravo.
To quote a wise man, "You can't fix stupid."
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makeitstop Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:24:23am |
re: #1036 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
True enough, but it wasn't exactly a secret that Bush was anything less than "spiritual." Hell, I'll consider it a major accomplishment in this nation when we have a president who's openly atheist.
Also true. He did call Jesus his 'favorite philosopher' in a debate, after all.
| 1050 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:24:41am |
re: #783 iossarian
It's easy enough, unfortunately, to find examples of "legitimate scientists" being dead wrong, with unpleasant consequences.
Unfortunately, legitimate scientists are what we've got.
| 1051 |
CuriousLurker Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:24:43am |
| 1053 |
HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:24:54am |
re: #1040 CuriousLurker
Yeah, they need to stop spinning 'cause now they're so dizzy they're just stumbling all over the place crashing into all sorts of crazy crap.
They're more dizzier than a man after a bottle of whiskey.
| 1054 |
b_sharp Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:25:38am |
re: #1044 makeitstop
Maybe that was the best of the lot.
The rest of the pictures caused the hard drive to delete its main partition in self defence.
| 1055 |
Sheila Broflovski Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:25:52am |
Teh hamsters are a huffin and a puffin, draggin along this heavy load
| 1056 |
HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:25:52am |
re: #1049 makeitstop
Also true. He did call Jesus his 'favorite philosopher' in a debate, after all.
favorite political philosopher. Which is why his policies were so friendly to the poor.
| 1057 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:26:01am |
re: #1028 HappyWarrior
That's sick. Really, MLK fought for equal rights, and Spencer and Geller's fight is to make Muslim Americans second class citizens.
Lol oh brother.
First Glenn Beck, who channels Ezra Taft Benson, one of the most virulent segregationists of the 60s.
Now Spencer/Geller.
Well, this is the same bunch that screams PARTY OF LINCOLN!!!! at me, while waving Confederate flags, so yeah. David Barton's History for Homeschoolers...this is where it gets us.
| 1058 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:26:53am |
re: #1047 b_sharp
Gotcha. Like the time with the jar and the bathtub.
OT but I did get a chance to see the guitars. Lovely Takamine. All of them are gorgeous, but I really liked that one.
| 1059 |
HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:27:54am |
re: #1057 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Lol oh brother.
First Glenn Beck, who channels Ezra Taft Benson, one of the most virulent segregationists of the 60s.
Now Spencer/Geller.
Well, this is the same bunch that screams PARTY OF LINCOLN!!! at me, while waving Confederate flags, so yeah. David Barton's History for Homeschoolers...this is where it gets us.
Pretty much huh. Speaking of Party of Lincoln, I've heard they no longer do Lincoln dinners but rather Reagan dinners. Would rather have Lincoln as my party's icon than a man who got far in Republican politics by exploiting bigotries. That needs to be said to those who want to put Reagan up with Lincoln and Washington.
| 1060 |
b_sharp Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:28:03am |
re: #1058 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
OT but I did get a chance to see the guitars. Lovely Takamine. All of them are gorgeous, but I really liked that one.
The Tak was my first professional level acoustic. I still love to play it.
| 1061 |
Amory Blaine Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:28:10am |
re: #1058 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
My dream is to own a J-200
| 1062 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:28:33am |
re: #853 Gus 802
Pay no attention to the history of Standard Oil Company of New Jersey! ;) Yeah, I know what you mean. Kissinger, Operation Condor, and all that jazz.
Unfortunately, none of that improves Chavez in any way.
| 1063 |
Atlas Fails Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:28:49am |
re: #1045 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I see Crazy Pam is doubling down on the stupid this morning, holding Obama directly responsible for the SEAL team deaths.
You found him out Pam. Obama specifically ordered those SEALs on to that helicopter in the middle of a combat zone, then ordered the pilot to fly along a specific route that he had told the Taliban about. The Taliban knew exactly which helicopter had the SEAL team aboard it, specifically so they could get revenge for the death of Bin Laden. Your deductive reasoning skills are amazing. Bravo.
Just remember that Obama was IN NO WAY responsible for killing bin Laden. That was a victory for SEAL Team 6 and only SEAL Team 6. And George Bush, also.
| 1064 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:30:17am |
re: #856 Dark_Falcon
London riots claimed a victim.
And now health and safety rules are preventing citizens from cleaning up debris.
So the police can't save your business from be burned, but they'll stop your friends when they try to clear the debris. Mark Steyn used to write this stuff as satire, but now its become reality.
Mark Steyn doesn't know his ass from his elbow, and also, has nothing to do with this.
| 1065 |
b_sharp Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:30:18am |
re: #1061 Amory Blaine
My dream is to own a J-200
Gibson makes some of the finest acoustics out there.
The Blueridge I have is a Chinese made guitar but it has the sound of some Gibsons I've tinkered with. It's an incredible buy.
| 1066 |
Shiplord Kirel Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:30:37am |
I was just trying to figure out how the real GOP powers will split up in a Perry/Romney showdown.
Big oil is obviously in the Perry camp. He can also count on the retail/service sector, since he is not just more anti-union than Romney but actually opposes the minimum wage. Telecom and media are more iffy, they may like Perry's libertarian hostility toward regulation, but could be anxious about lower paid consumers.
Banking and finance will go to Romney, Perry's voodoo economics are just a little too magical for them. Romney can probably also count on the military industrial complex since they may be concerned about Perry's affinity for Paulian isolationists.
| 1067 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:31:46am |
re: #1059 HappyWarrior
Pretty much huh. Speaking of Party of Lincoln, I've heard they no longer do Lincoln dinners but rather Reagan dinners. Would rather have Lincoln as my party's icon than a man who got far in Republican politics by exploiting bigotries. That needs to be said to those who want to put Reagan up with Lincoln and Washington.
Well, the way I see it is, Saint Ronald would never make it on to the 2012 Republican ticket, even with all the hymn singing and hagiographies to him. They are so off the rails, he'd be a RINO, so would Nixon, and Eisenhower would be a socialist cultural marxist kenyan usurper who just doesn't understand america.
| 1068 |
The Left Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:32:21am |
re: #1063 Atlas Fails
Just remember that Obama was IN NO WAY responsible for killing bin Laden. That was a victory for SEAL Team 6 and only SEAL Team 6. And George Bush, also.
I just got here and it's already drunk o'clock here, too, also.
I have no idea what's going on but I love your nic.
| 1069 |
iossarian Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:32:59am |
re: #1050 SanFranciscoZionist
Unfortunately, legitimate scientists are what we've got.
Doesn't mean you have to agree with them all the time.
| 1070 |
makeitstop Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:33:27am |
re: #1061 Amory Blaine
My dream is to own a J-200
I've got a lowly G-Series that I picked up for almost nothing off Craig's List. It's not much to look at, but it sings. As far as acoustics go, that's my workhorse.
| 1071 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:33:57am |
re: #648 RogueOne
The warming is barely within the margin of error on the lowest scale. Did anyone say during the last 20 years that "It might barely get warmer"? No. All we heard was the stuff designed to scare people into compliance. I don't blame them for doing it necessarily, fear has been the best sales pitch since before humans had a written language, but that doesn't make it right.
This is complete nonsense. You don't have any idea what you're talking about -- you're just parroting right wing propaganda.
Why do you let liars and ideologues do your thinking for you?
| 1072 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:34:18am |
re: #901 Varek Raith
Yep.
You see, the Christian slave holders saved them from pagan Africa.
Or some such bullshit.
Phyllis Wheatley wrote a poem to that effect, but it was her life she was talking about, and I would say she was entitled.
To say that in this day and age is fairly horrific.
| 1073 |
b_sharp Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:34:41am |
re: #1067 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Well, the way I see it is, Saint Ronald would never make it on to the 2012 Republican ticket, even with all the hymn singing and hagiographies to him. They are so off the rails, he'd be a RINO, so would Nixon, and Eisenhower would be a socialist cultural marxist kenyan usurper who just doesn't understand america.
The GOP 'no true conservative' is running like mad trying to chase down the GOP self propelled goal posts.
Even the Red Queen covers more ground.
| 1074 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:35:16am |
re: #1065 b_sharp
Gibson makes some of the finest acoustics out there.
The Blueridge I have is a Chinese made guitar but it has the sound of some Gibsons I've tinkered with. It's an incredible buy.
Only guitar I have is a 3/4 scale Johnson Squier knockoff. Not that I'd be able to play a real one any better :/
| 1075 |
b_sharp Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:35:18am |
re: #1068 iceweasel
I just got here and it's already drunk o'clock here, too, also.
I have no idea what's going on but I love your nic.
Hey Ice, what ya drinkin'?
| 1076 |
Targetpractice Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:35:33am |
re: #1067 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Well, the way I see it is, Saint Ronald would never make it on to the 2012 Republican ticket, even with all the hymn singing and hagiographies to him. They are so off the rails, he'd be a RINO, so would Nixon, and Eisenhower would be a socialist cultural marxist kenyan usurper who just doesn't understand america.
The Reagan of '80 might have a chance, as one has to remember that he didn't start making hard choices until after he was in office. The Reagan of '84, on the other hand, wouldn't have a prayer.
| 1078 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:36:12am |
re: #918 Shiplord Kirel
Couldn't help myself, I just had to check out what Crazy Pam's pets at the English Defence League have to say about the riots. Their main theme is to whine about the supposedly ruthless police suppression of their own
riotsprotests in contrast to the alleged kid glove treatment being given the London mobs.
Most of you will recall that many of these "peaceful" EDL protests have been accompanied by massive violence directed at passersby, counter-protesters, and police.
Not to mention the careful, careful line about how 'maybe' it's because of the 'perceived unwhiteness' of the riots that the cops are being so careful.
They're just acting questions, the fascist little fucks.
| 1079 |
b_sharp Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:36:17am |
re: #1070 makeitstop
I've got a lowly G-Series that I picked up for almost nothing off Craig's List. It's not much to look at, but it sings. As far as acoustics go, that's my workhorse.
Looks have to be secondary to sound. In some cases it's the scratches and dents that cause the sound.
| 1081 |
Varek Raith Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:36:38am |
re: #1068 iceweasel
x w i just goat erhe and its' adelray drugnk o'closck herpe, too, s
la.o i have no ijdea what's going ogn but i love your nci.
FTFY.
:)
| 1082 |
b_sharp Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:37:03am |
re: #1071 Charles
This is complete nonsense. You don't have any idea what you're talking about -- you're just parroting right wing propaganda.
Why do you let liars and ideologues do your thinking for you?
It's the only officially approved way.
| 1083 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:37:42am |
re: #1076 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
The Reagan of '80 might have a chance, as one has to remember that he didn't start making hard choices until after he was in office. The Reagan of '84, on the other hand, wouldn't have a prayer.
Yeah, good point. That's the Reagan that got them started off on what's now a crazy train, and the one the hagiographies are about.
| 1085 |
Amory Blaine Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:38:37am |
The first real guitar I ever had, 20 yrs ago, was a gorgeous 12 string Takamine. At the time I felt it was too much guitar for me so I traded it for a third rate Gibson. If I could kick myself in the balls I would.
| 1086 |
The Left Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:38:40am |
re: #1075 b_sharp
Hey Ice, what ya drinkin'?
Hey b sharp! How are you?
Jimmah and I are drinking white wine we got fer cheap. He just went off to the store and promised to bring something surprising home. (!)
| 1087 |
Gus Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:38:41am |
re: #1062 SanFranciscoZionist
Unfortunately, none of that improves Chavez in any way.
The point wasn't to improve Chavez. It is however an indicator as to what created Chavez. He was an extreme reaction in response to meddling from the US government and corporation in Latin America.
| 1088 |
b_sharp Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:39:59am |
re: #1072 SanFranciscoZionist
Phyllis Wheatley wrote a poem to that effect, but it was her life she was talking about, and I would say she was entitled.
To say that in this day and age is fairly horrific.
For a second there I thought you wrote Phyllis Schlafly and just about panicked.
| 1090 |
Varek Raith Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:40:56am |
| 1091 |
Gus Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:41:23am |
re: #1089 iceweasel
Yay Gus is here! And Varek!
Hi Ice! I'm here in Siberia! OK, it's not Siberia. It's El Salvador, oops, I mean the United States. //
| 1092 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:41:28am |
re: #963 HappyWarrior
It wouldn't shock me if that happened.
It also wouldn't shock me if, when she was hustled off, she either accused the families of treason, or speculated they had been threatened by the White House.
| 1093 |
Kragar Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:41:48am |
| 1094 |
b_sharp Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:41:57am |
re: #1074 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Only guitar I have is a 3/4 scale Johnson Squier knockoff. Not that I'd be able to play a real one any better :/
As long as you enjoy playing. There are far more of us who can't play at a professional level than there are professionals, so you're in a large, if not so good, company.
| 1095 |
The Left Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:42:00am |
re: #1090 Varek Raith
How do you know my language?!?!
You knew the original language my comment was posted in. :(
| 1096 |
Varek Raith Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:42:05am |
re: #1091 Gus 802
Hi Ice! I'm here in Siberia! OK, it's not Siberia. It's El Salvador, oops, I mean the United States. //
It's all the same to AT&Ts network coverage.
;)
| 1097 |
Lidane Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:42:16am |
re: #1027 Charles
And as for the complaints that Newsweek picked the "worst" picture for this cover -- face it. This is what Bachmann looks like, and it's not hard at all to find more examples. She's deranged.
The picture is dead-on accurate.
It's also proof that she has a shitty plastic surgeon. That kind of surprised look comes from a bad facelift, and her smooth forehead comes from too much Botox.
I guess God didn't send her a talented surgeon. He must not want her to win the GOP nomination that much.
| 1099 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:42:47am |
re: #1084 Atlas Fails
Oh Cripes, Dana Loesch. Sounds like she took meds today, at least.
Dave Weigel says something I thought might be the case: Ms. Bachmann could really give a ...
| 1100 |
Amory Blaine Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:42:48am |
re: #1074 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Small guitar is more likely to make it into your trunk for those day trips.
| 1101 |
Varek Raith Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:43:10am |
| 1102 |
The Left Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:43:15am |
re: #1091 Gus 802
Hi Ice! I'm here in Siberia! OK, it's not Siberia. It's El Salvador, oops, I mean the United States. //
Sounds kinda commie, all of it. .....
(post rolling stone video)
....
(finish albusteve impersonation)
| 1103 |
Gus Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:43:18am |
re: #1096 Varek Raith
It's all the same to AT&Ts network coverage.
;)
LOL So you know. Whew. Yeah, only 30 miles from Silicon Valley but our coverage sucks. Right. Cheap bastards are squeezing every penny from their customers. It's the Murican way! Now bend over!
| 1104 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:44:48am |
re: #1038 HappyWarrior
How does a state that gave us Hubert Humphrey give us Bachmann?
Minnesota seems to like big personalities. That's all I can figure out.
| 1105 |
Targetpractice Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:45:06am |
re: #1099 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Oh Cripes, Dana Loesch. Sounds like she took meds today, at least.
Dave Weigel says something I thought might be the case: Ms. Bachmann could really give a ...
Her campaign is one of "hope"? Gee, where have I heard that before...
| 1106 |
b_sharp Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:46:35am |
re: #1086 iceweasel
Hey b sharp! How are you?
Jimmah and I are drinking white wine we got fer cheap. He just went off to the store and promised to bring something surprising home. (!)
I'm doing hunky dory.
You guys are winos are you? My wife drinks pretty much nothing but wine. I can't stand the stuff. My big thing now is Scotch, although I'm tempted to mix some Scotch and Guinness in a tall glass.
| 1107 |
makeitstop Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:46:59am |
re: #1079 b_sharp
Looks have to be secondary to sound. In some cases it's the scratches and dents that cause the sound.
It was in great shape when I got it - it belonged to a teenage girl who got it for a birthday present and had absolutely no interest in it.
I'm proud to say I put every mark in it myself. Guitars don't stay in pristine condition too long around here. :)
| 1108 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:48:07am |
re: #1044 makeitstop
Maybe that was the best of the lot.
In which case, you do what you do. She really does do that thing with her eyes, so it's hard to judge.
| 1109 |
b_sharp Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:48:56am |
re: #1100 Amory Blaine
Small guitar is more likely to make it into your trunk for those day trips.
If you look at my pictures you'll see the Charvel is a 3/4 size guitar. As long as I have an amp handy, it's the one that fits the trunk the best.
| 1110 |
Varek Raith Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:49:02am |
Windows update is nagging me to restart.
BBIAB.
| 1111 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:49:28am |
re: #1105 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Her campaign is one of "hope"? Gee, where have I heard that before...
Oh I know.
It's like she has no ideas of her own; everything they do is copied, stolen, or in imitation. So *weird*.
| 1112 |
Amory Blaine Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:49:31am |
| 1113 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:49:34am |
re: #1069 iossarian
Doesn't mean you have to agree with them all the time.
No, but it also doesn't mean that you should believe whatever best suits your political or emotional needs, and justify it by saying that scientists have been wrong in the past.
| 1114 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:50:42am |
re: #1088 b_sharp
For a second there I thought you wrote Phyllis Schlafly and just about panicked.
Wheatley! Wheatley!!
| 1115 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:51:10am |
Your High-Drama 80s Keyboards Clip of the Day:
| 1116 |
b_sharp Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:51:51am |
re: #1107 makeitstop
It was in great shape when I got it - it belonged to a teenage girl who got it for a birthday present and had absolutely no interest in it.
I'm proud to say I put every mark in it myself. Guitars don't stay in pristine condition too long around here. :)
My first acoustic was a Barrington folk guitar that originally belonged to my mother. The sound board below the strings ended up being about half as thick as the rest. A pick can do a lot of damage to spruce.
| 1117 |
Gus Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:52:09am |
re: #1102 iceweasel
Sounds kinda commie, all of it. ...
(post rolling stone video)
...
(finish albusteve impersonation)
...
HOW DARE YOU JOKINGLY COMPARE THE UNITED STATES OF MURICA TO EL SALVADOR!!11ty THAT'S NOT EVEN FUNNY!!11ty I HEREBY DECLARE WAR!!11ty
| 1118 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:52:31am |
re: #1108 SanFranciscoZionist
In which case, you do what you do. She really does do that thing with her eyes, so it's hard to judge.
Looking at a number of pictures of Bachmann, I see that there are some picture where her piercing gaze is toned down some. The most flattering seem to be three-quarter views where she's not looking straight into the camera.
Oh, what the hell.
| 1119 |
Gus Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:53:14am |
Damn it. Took me long enough. Just got disconnected from AT&T again. Had to reload the page. Every time those assholes do this I have to reload and that eats into the lousy 5Gs per month. Happens over and over again. It's a damn rip-off.
| 1120 |
b_sharp Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:53:48am |
re: #1114 SanFranciscoZionist
Wheatley! Wheatley!!
Yah, I caught that just in time. I was about to take a bath in Holy water just to get the smell of fear off. Do you have any idea how difficult it is for an atheist to acquire holy water?
| 1121 |
OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:53:54am |
re: #1116 b_sharp
My first acoustic was a Barrington folk guitar that originally belonged to my mother. The sound board below the strings ended up being about half as thick as the rest. A pick can do a lot of damage to spruce.
Mine was my mother's Kay. From her imitation-Odetta college years.
| 1122 |
Atlas Fails Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:54:25am |
re: #1105 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Her campaign is one of "hope"? Gee, where have I heard that before...
Hope for whom, exactly? Not any gays who are comfortable with who they are and don't want to be "saved" by some quack. Not for Muslims who want to practice their religion without some dumbass screaming about Sharia and Taquyia (sp?). Not anyone who relies on Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, or welfare. Not any Jews who don't like being talked down to by pompous Evangelicals lamenting the fact that God's chosen people have yet to be "perfected," or compared to Jesus' executioners when they vote Democrat. Not any Catholics who, uh, don't think the Pope is the antichrist.
Oh, I see. She represents hope for the oppressed Job Creators and their brainless minions in the TP. Plus, she won't enslave us with healthcare or light bulbs.
| 1123 |
b_sharp Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:55:16am |
re: #1121 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Mine was my mother's Kay. From her imitation-Odetta college years.
I smell a new thread. Time to take a leap of pseudo-faith and join the rag-tag mob.
| 1124 |
simoom Tue, Aug 9, 2011 12:23:57pm |
re: #926 Atlas Fails
... but it surprises me that a Democratic strategist wouldn't be able to find some accomplishments for him to run on, unless of course it's one of those Fox News Democratic strategists who is brought on to meekly disagree with O'Reilly or Hannity before being violently shouted down.
You likely have this exactly right. Politico has shown zero compunction about attributing fake Fox democrats as "Senior Democratic Strategists" or something similar. I'll just cut & paste from the comment I wrote for the Page on this topic:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0910/42588.html
A week before final passage, Democratic pollsters Douglas Schoen and Pat Caddell, who had worked for Clinton, pierced the optimism. They wrote a Washington Post op-ed warning the party had deluded itself into thinking that Americans wanted the bill. And as a result, they wrote, Democrats ran the risk of “unmitigated disaster” in November.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/48305_Page2.html
Douglas E. Schoen is a Democratic pollster and strategist.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/57794_Page2.html
And one of Heye’s frequent on-air counterparts, Democratic analyst Doug Schoen, also thinks he’s great.
“Doug Heye has what is sorely lacking in the Republican Party today: both wit, wisdom and a sense of humor,” Schoen said. “He’s that rare breed of Republican who’s optimistic, au courant, always with a smile on his face.”
Doug Schoen & Pat Caddell are essentially fake democrats who frequent Fox News to tell Hannity, O'Reilly etc how right they are on whatever topic and how terrible democrats are. They write editorials for outlets like Politico, WaPo & WSJ accusing the president of race-baiting & wallowing in racial politics or advising Obama that the best strategy to bring the country together and be a successful president is to pledge to not run for reelection:
WAPO: "One and done: To be a great president, Obama should not seek reelection in 2012". They even, when they think no one is paying attention, do fundraisers for GOP candidates: [Link: mediamatters.org...] .
Politico relies on those two, in the same way Fox does, as go to fake Democrats who will always happily provide quotes that only a Republican could love. Obviously it goes with out saying that to attribute either of them as a source for insider Democratic Party strategy and insight, without identifying them as Right Wing hacks, is profoundly dishonest & shoddy journalism of the highest order.
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Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
