Whole Foods Caves in to Pressure from Bigot Brigade, Cancels Ramadan Promo - Update: Whole Foods Clarifies, Continues Promo

Sleazy bigots succeed in intimidating Whole Foods
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Shame on Whole Foods Markets for giving in to pressure from raving bigots like Debbie Schlussel, and canceling their promotion of Ramadan: Whole Foods: ‘We Should Not Highlight Ramadan’.

Under pressure from right-wing bloggers who blindly associate Ramadan and Muslims with terrorism and burqas, Whole Foods has sent an email to its stores across the United States in which it specifically tells stores not to promote Ramadan this year.

Just last week, Whole Foods began its promotion of Saffron Road’s line of halal products throughout the holiday, which ends on August 29, via writer Yvonne Maffei’s blog, My Halal Kitchen. That promotion was waylaid by what seems like a very small amount of criticism, according to an internal email that the Houston Press obtained recently.

“It is probably best that we don’t specifically call out or ‘promote’ Ramadan,” reads a portion of that email. “We should not highlight Ramadan in signage in our stores as that could be considered ‘Celebrating or promoting’ Ramadan.”

This is a significant departure from years past, when Whole Foods has promoted its halal items during Ramadan with small signs that displayed a crescent moon, the symbol of Islam. It’s also a striking difference from the way that the famously tolerant grocery chain promotes other holidays, including signage and in-store promotions for Passover, Easter and Christmas.

“We recently introduced a line of frozen products in Grocery that are Halal certified (meet Muslim dietary laws) called Saffron Road,” continues the email. “With the introduction of this line company wide, and the beginning of Ramadan last week, we posted a product giveaway on the Whole Story blog (on July 31) to generate awareness and interest in the products. Some people have misinterpreted the blog post to mean we are celebrating or promoting Ramadan in our stores. The misinterpretation has generated some negative feedback from a small segment of vocal and angry consumers and bloggers.”

UPDATE at 8/9/11 1:30:57 pm

Whole Foods has put out a statement on their Twitter feed about the controversy:

We never sent a communication from our headquarters requesting stores take down signs or remove parts from this promotion.

[…]

We have 12 different operating regions and unfortunately, one region reacted by sending out directions to promote halal and….

[…]

….not specifically #Ramadan after some negative online comments.

[…]

We’re extremely excited about offering halal products products for our shoppers and we stand behind them AND our promotion of them…

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136 comments
1 Surabaya Stew  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:45:32am

Gee whiz....what a mes over nothing....but Rachel Ray knows what it feels like....

2 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:46:16am

I like to see Christmas highlighted at Christmas time.

But a store that does that for DAMN sure ought to be able to highlight other holidays without having this sort of stupidness to deal with.

3 Lidane  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:46:26am

That's just fucking pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. Whole Foods should be ashamed of themselves.

4 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:46:35am

Why do people even care?

5 iossarian  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:46:51am

re: #1 Surabaya Stew

Gee whiz...what a mes over nothing...but Rachel Ray knows what it feels like...

DUNKIN DONUTS JIHAD TOOL!!!11!!!

6 Kragar  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:47:30am

Because if a small percentage of assholes who probably don't shop in your store because its "too hippyish" complain, whats a store to do?

7 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:47:37am

Imagine if they did this about kosher foods.

It's food. It's tradition. It's what you buy to eat with your loved ones. It's not a tool of oppression. It's not a political statement. It's just food.

Such blatant bigotry, not only acceptable but catered to, in the United States of America, in 2011.

Thanks to every right-wing demagogue and the GOP's Muslim Fever brigade for bringing us to this point.

8 Lidane  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:47:41am

re: #4 ggt

Why do people even care?

Because Ramadan is Muslim and Muslims are all terrorists, don'tcha know.

This the worst sort of capitulation by Whole Foods. Pathetic.

9 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:49:07am

There are not one but TWO billboards on Ford Road in Dearborn wishing everyone "Ramadan Karim and $9.99 Iftar Special (for the halal cafe)" and "Halal Bakery will be open 24/7 during Blessed Month"

IT TEH SHARIA ALL OVER!1!1!

10 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:49:21am

Extremely disappointed that Whole Foods gave into a bunch of xenophobes and bigots. Let them promote Ramadan all they want, and Xmas too.

To all you bigots: Happy Holidays!

11 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:49:59am

re: #4 ggt

Why do people even care?

Because it's about enforcing wingnut religious beliefs on others. Same with their desire to limit other people's sexual relationships or reproductive rights.

12 Iwouldprefernotto  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:50:12am

bigots win. we all lose.

13 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:50:31am

re: #9 Alouette

I can buy halal food at a shop that also has glaat kosher stuff. Obvious proof of the Zio-Muslim conspiracy.

14 CuriousLurker  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:50:31am

Well, I'll never be shopping at Whole Foods again. *sigh*

So many cowards.

15 Interesting Times  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:51:08am

Just a little reminder of other pearls of derpdom that drop from the mind of Debbie Schlussel:

I shed no tears for these HAMASnik campers with a Scandinavian dialect. Perpetrators are not victims. Sorry. HAMAS collaborators don’t get my pity. They never will.

Yay Whole Foods for giving in to someone like this! 9_9

16 jc717  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:51:16am

Overpriced crap anyways. I much prefer Stop & Shop.

17 jamesfirecat  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:51:35am

re: #2 reine.de.tout

I like to see Christmas highlighted at Christmas time.

But a store that does that for DAMN sure ought to be able to highlight other holidays without having this sort of stupidness to deal with.

I'd like it even better if they could also stop highlighting any part of November as "Christmas time"!

18 Lidane  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:51:35am

re: #13 Obdicut

I can buy halal food at a shop that also has glaat kosher stuff. Obvious proof of the Zio-Muslim conspiracy.

I can buy halal meats at the HEB grocery store by my house. Ooh. Scary!

19 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:51:44am

Simply pathetic. As already put, can you imagine if this was done with kosher foods? The reaction would be a lot of anger and justified at that.

20 Michael McBacon  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:51:44am

I used to shop at Whole Foods in college and would frequently buy their Israeli "pearl" couscous but am now glad I don't shop there anymore.

21 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:51:45am

People who shop at Whole Foods seem to be the type of people who would try some of that Ramadan food, just to see what it is like.

I don't think the average Piggy Wiggly customer would. That's why there aren't Whole Foods in every small town.

22 Bulworth  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:52:28am

Because the introduction of halal foods is the first step on the road to Shariah!

//

More seriously, I wonder if the wingnuts realize this probably just makes people more curious about Islam and its traditions. Also, too, that it makes wingnuts look ridiculous. Freedom!

23 Kragar  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:52:54am

re: #16 jc717

Overpriced crap anyways. I much prefer Stop & Shop.

I like Trader Joes better.

24 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:53:03am

re: #13 Obdicut

I can buy halal food at a shop that also has glaat kosher stuff. Obvious proof of the Zio-Muslim conspiracy.

I have some packages of corn chips that I bought at Whole Foods that's just decorated with "Halal" "Kosher" "Gluten-free" "Organic" "No Animal Stuff"

A lot of certification for a bunch of snack food.

25 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:53:19am

re: #23 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Trader Joes also pays their employees quite well, better than Whole Foods does.

26 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:53:28am
The misinterpretation has generated some negative feedback from a small segment of vocal and angry consumers and bloggers.”

minority rules?

27 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:54:13am

when is it going to get to the point where this is almost universally seen not just as bigotry but ridiculous nonsense. I swear these right wing assholes are hellbent on making Muslim Americans feel uncomfortable in their own country. You think we'd learn from how we treated Catholics and Jews but noooooooo.

28 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:54:17am

Whole Foods is opening an oasis in that food desert, called Detroit.

29 Gus  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:55:04am

Lame! I hate going to Whole Foods anyway. Too many yuppie posers go shopping there. And the prices s-u-c-k.

30 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:55:54am

re: #25 Obdicut

Trader Joes also pays their employees quite well, better than Whole Foods does.

Do you remember that "buycott" the rw had when the CEO came out against healthcare? Hilarious.

31 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:56:07am

So when Whole Paycheck highlights Passover next year, I'm sure their Muslim customers will just look the other way..

32 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:56:51am

re: #27 HappyWarrior

when is it going to get to the point where this is almost universally seen not just as bigotry but ridiculous nonsense. I swear these right wing assholes are hellbent on making Muslim Americans feel uncomfortable in their own country. You think we'd learn from how we treated Catholics and Jews but nooo.

When the next "enemy" comes along. Muslims are the replacement for "Commies" in the new century.

33 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:57:12am

re: #32 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

When the next "enemy" comes along. Muslims are the replacement for "Commies" in the new century.

Exactly!

34 iossarian  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:57:25am

re: #25 Obdicut

Trader Joes also pays their employees quite well, better than Whole Foods does.


I did not know that. I do know that the Whole Foods supremo is one of those "I'm against unions because I can do better for my employees without a union in the way" simpletons.

35 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:57:45am
36 Bulworth  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:58:12am
When the next "enemy" comes along. Muslims are the replacement for "Commies" in the new century.

And Atheists. Atheists are just like Muslims. ///

37 Gus  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:58:16am

re: #16 jc717

Overpriced crap anyways. I much prefer Stop & Shop.

8 bucks for a loaf of bread. OK, maybe not that high. But they have a huge mark-up. Just "dress up" the food you're selling like it's really healthy and stick a "cool" label on it and call it "green". I'd rather go to Walmart or Safeway. You can get organic food with poisonous spiders there too. ;)

38 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:58:28am

re: #32 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

When the next "enemy" comes along. Muslims are the replacement for "Commies" in the new century.

No doubt about it, but it feels like it's gotten more crazy since Obama's presidency. In the Bush years, yeah we had some anti Muslim bigots to be sure but nowhere near the number of crazies we see today. Needless to say, I didn't see Pam Geller and Robert Spencer accusing George W Bush of being agents of the Muslim Brotherhood when he had Muslims in his administration and he condemned bigotry against Muslims.

39 Interesting Times  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:58:57am

re: #30 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Do you remember that "buycott" the rw had when the CEO came out against healthcare? Hilarious.

Which reminds me - that CEO of Whole Foods, John Mackey, sounds like a full-on glibertarian wingnut:

Waylon Lewis, in a column at Huffington Post, derided Mackey for his recent opinions about climate change, which included the statement that it would be a shame to allow “hysteria about global warming … to raise taxes and increase regulation, and in turn lower our standard of living and lead to an increase in poverty.”

...so it should come as no surprise that he panders to right-wing bigots as well.

40 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:59:24am

re: #37 Gus 802

8 bucks for a loaf of bread. OK, maybe not that high. But they have a huge mark-up. Just "dress up" the food you're selling like it's really healthy and stick a "cool" label on it and call it "green". I'd rather go to Walmart or Safeway. You can get organic food with poisonous spiders there too. ;)

Do the poisonous spiders cost extra? It would be so cool if they were free.

41 Gus  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:59:31am

re: #39 publicityStunted

Which reminds me - that CEO of Whole Foods, John Mackey, sounds like a full-on glibertarian wingnut:

...so it should come as no surprise that he panders to right-wing bigots as well.

Wasn't he also against health care reform?

42 Gus  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 10:59:52am

re: #30 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Do you remember that "buycott" the rw had when the CEO came out against healthcare? Hilarious.

Right. That. He was.

43 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:00:32am

re: #41 Gus 802

Wasn't he also against health care reform?

Yeah and I believe the CEO of Wal-Mart was in favor interestingly enough.

44 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:01:10am

One thing WF is good for is those Santa Cruz organic lemonade drinks. During the summer WF often marks them down to 1.50. It's worth a trip to load up on. Plus, I think we have like 6 of them in this city. One is my closest grocery :/

45 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:01:13am

The major grocers in the Chicagoland area have started carrying more "healthy" food. Organic etc. They also carry more ethnic, depending on the area.

So, going to Whole Foods isn't as necessary as it used to be. They still have the BEST deli offerings for non-meat selections. I spend way to much, but enjoy every bite.

46 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:01:40am

re: #38 HappyWarrior

No doubt about it, but it feels like it's gotten more crazy since Obama's presidency. In the Bush years, yeah we had some anti Muslim bigots to be sure but nowhere near the number of crazies we see today. Needless to say, I didn't see Pam Geller and Robert Spencer accusing George W Bush of being agents of the Muslim Brotherhood when he had Muslims in his administration and he condemned bigotry against Muslims.

Xenophobia is rampant. In the land of the free. . . .

47 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:02:29am

re: #46 ggt

Xenophobia is rampant. In the land of the free. . . .

Yep, seems like an ongoing problem that we never learn a damned thing from.

48 euphgeek  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:02:57am

How much do you want to bet that none of the people who complained actually shop at Whole Foods?

49 Gus  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:02:58am

re: #39 publicityStunted

Which reminds me - that CEO of Whole Foods, John Mackey, sounds like a full-on glibertarian wingnut:

...so it should come as no surprise that he panders to right-wing bigots as well.

That's so ironic. Considering that the impoverished never go shopping at Whole Foods. They can't afford it. Yeah, I'm sure some people will claim otherwise but it's true. Poor people shop at Walmart, Shop-Rite, Safeway, etc.

50 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:03:26am

An American chain submits to the dictates of neo-fascist bloggers? Now that's worrying.

51 Amory Blaine  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:03:29am

re: #37 Gus 802

8 bucks for a loaf of bread. OK, maybe not that high. But they have a huge mark-up. Just "dress up" the food you're selling like it's really healthy and stick a "cool" label on it and call it "green". I'd rather go to Walmart or Safeway. You can get organic food with poisonous spiders there too. ;)

People need to go back to gardening.

52 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:03:54am

re: #51 Amory Blaine

People need to go back to gardening.

For free poisonous spiders?

53 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:04:00am

bbiab

54 Lidane  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:04:00am

I hope none of the anti-Muslim bigots who pushed for this idiocy by Whole Foods eat any of the foods on this list that are considered halal.

I mean, they're totally consistent in their belief that everything halal or remotely connected to Muslims is evil, right?

///

55 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:04:12am

re: #38 HappyWarrior

No doubt about it, but it feels like it's gotten more crazy since Obama's presidency. In the Bush years, yeah we had some anti Muslim bigots to be sure but nowhere near the number of crazies we see today. Needless to say, I didn't see Pam Geller and Robert Spencer accusing George W Bush of being agents of the Muslim Brotherhood when he had Muslims in his administration and he condemned bigotry against Muslims.

Part of it is that Dubya was seen as "tough" in the "War on Terrorism," while Obama is seen as not taking the "imminent" sharia takeover as serious, even possibly being supportive of it. Hence, they feel that it's their duty to take up the "fight," even if the "fight" consists of their screaming that they're not going to buy from no damned "hippies" for daring to recognize a major holiday because it's a Muslim one.

56 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:05:52am
I shed no tears for these HAMASnik campers with a Scandinavian dialect. Perpetrators are not victims. Sorry. HAMAS collaborators don’t get my pity. They never will.

Schlussel is in fucking terrorist, exactly that which she purports to resist.

57 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:06:26am

re: #35 Alouette

Whole Foods Passover FAIL.

That's bad.

58 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:06:31am

re: #55 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Part of it is that Dubya was seen as "tough" in the "War on Terrorism," while Obama is seen as not taking the "imminent" sharia takeover as serious, even possibly being supportive of it. Hence, they feel that it's their duty to take up the "fight," even if the "fight" consists of their screaming that they're not going to buy from no damned "hippies" for daring to recognize a major holiday because it's a Muslim one.

True that. The thing is it seems that full out blown paranoia about Muslims has grown dramatically. It is a world where Grover Norquist, Chris Christie, and Herman Cain are being accused of being agents of the Muslim Brotherhood simply because they have a Muslim wife, appointed a Muslim American to a judgeship, and walked back bigoted comments about Muslims. It's scary shit. If I were a Muslim right now, I'd be feeling not too welcome.

59 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:07:17am

re: #54 Lidane

I hope none of the anti-Muslim bigots who pushed for this idiocy by Whole Foods eat any of the foods on this list that are considered halal.

I mean, they're totally consistent in their belief that everything halal or remotely connected to Muslims is evil, right?

///

It reminds me a whole bunch of the folks who complain about the kosher tax. (Including, ironically, RadioIslam.org)

60 Gus  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:07:25am

re: #51 Amory Blaine

People need to go back to gardening.

If they have the land and time. Denver had a lot of community gardens. Then you have to have irrigation/water available. Denver also started allowing people to own chickens (last I looked) for personal use. But yeah that would really help. There's something weird about paying for food. That is one work towards there food either through gardening or hunting but don't exchange cash for it. Something like that.

61 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:07:31am

re: #56 BigPapa

Schlussel is in fucking terrorist, exactly that which she purports to resist.

She is exactly that and who can forget her "lovely" comments about Lara Logan, the reporter who was raped and beaten in Cairo. She's a terrorist yep.

62 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:08:45am

OhCrap, if you're reading this, we were talking about Estonia earlier. Well, here a news item of interest:

[Link: news.err.ee...]

The director of the Estonian History Museum has refused demands by a leader of the nation's Jewish community to remove an exhibit containing material on Nazi war criminal Alfred Rosenberg, saying that it would be wrong to bury the past, no matter how ugly it may be.

The comments came in response to a letter that Alla Jakobsen, chairwoman of the Jewish Community of Estonia, sent to the Minister of Culture in recent days. In it she complained that the museum's exhibition, and another at a Tallinn high school, present Rosenberg without mentioning his war crimes.

[Link: news.err.ee...]

The head of the parliamentary Foreign Affairs Committee has said the Estonian History Museum's exhibit on a Tallinn-born German who was one of the architects of the Third Reich does not provide enough context about his role in the Holocaust.

"The criticism of the Jewish Community is understandable and is deserving of support," said Marko Mihkelson in his widely-read blog.

Mihkelson said he had visited the exhibit on the senior Nazi, Alfred Rosenberg, and found it to lack sufficient context. He also questioned its positioning, sandwiched between an exhibit on the Estonian Salvation Committee of 1918 and US diplomat George Kennan.

"I imagine what a strange impression or confusion the exhibit at the History Museum in its current context might produce in those who are not indifferent with regard to the crimes against humanity committed during World War II," said Mihkelson.

"Perhaps it is an inappropriate comparison, but I don't think the school or birthplace of Norwegian mass murderer Breivik would highlight that man's actions similarly to Tallinn."

Alla Jakobson, chairwoman of the Jewish Community of Estonia, had written to the Minister of Culture complaining that the museum's exhibition, and one at a Tallinn secondary school, depict Rosenberg without mentioning his war crimes.

63 Bulworth  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:08:58am
I shed no tears for these HAMASnik campers with a Scandinavian dialect. Perpetrators are not victims. Sorry. HAMAS collaborators don’t get my pity. They never will.

Is this in reference to the Norway massacre?

64 Atlas Fails  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:09:33am

Disgraceful. Reminiscent of Crazy Pam's bizarre rants about "YOUR FOODES MIGHT BE HALAAL ANF YOU DONT EVEN RELEIZE IT!!!11!" Eerily similar to anti-Semitic hysteria over kosher foods being sold in grocery stores. History will not judge these maniacs kindly.

65 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:10:01am

This came up a few days ago in a "women in metal/rock" convo.

Somebody posted, and I though hey, look who has Debbie Schlussel frontin their band.

Doesn't even need vocal enhancers.

66 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:10:17am

re: #64 Atlas Fails

Disgraceful. Reminiscent of Crazy Pam's bizarre rants about "YOUR FOODES MIGHT BE HALAAL ANF YOU DONT EVEN RELEIZE IT!!!11!" Eerily similar to anti-Semitic hysteria over kosher foods being sold in grocery stores. History will not judge these maniacs kindly.

It's worse because Crazy Pam and Debbie are Jewish and you know damn well they know the nasty history that Jews have been subjected to.

67 Lidane  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:10:44am

re: #63 Bulworth

Is this in reference to the Norway massacre?

Sounds like it to me. If so, fuck her. Those were kids that Breivik mowed down.

68 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:11:09am

Oh, I see Thaara is active again.

69 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:11:50am

re: #63 Bulworth

Is this in reference to the Norway massacre?

Yeah pretty sure it is. This is the same woman who condoned a rape of a woman reporter simply because she didn't like said reporter's feelings on the situation. She's a monster who should be seen as a pariah but is given legimtacy in many right wing circles just like Pam, Coulter, and others who think violence is just dandy as long as the victims are left leaning. Sorry for soundign so angry but I hate these people.

70 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:12:17am

re: #58 HappyWarrior

True that. The thing is it seems that full out blown paranoia about Muslims has grown dramatically. It is a world where Grover Norquist, Chris Christie, and Herman Cain are being accused of being agents of the Muslim Brotherhood simply because they have a Muslim wife, appointed a Muslim American to a judgeship, and walked back bigoted comments about Muslims. It's scary shit. If I were a Muslim right now, I'd be feeling not too welcome.

A lot of them aren't. And that's eventually going to lead to some questioning why they hold loyalty to a nation that's actively hostile to them and whether those who preach against this nation might have a point.

71 Bulworth  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:12:38am

re: #67 Lidane

Sounds like it to me. If so, fuck her. Those were kids that Breivik mowed down.

But how dare you associate the Norway terrorist with us good old fashioned patriotik americans! //

72 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:13:23am

re: #62 Sergey Romanov

Thanks - reading through it.

73 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:15:06am

re: #72 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Thanks - reading through it.

There's a site that may be a bit biased but that gathers the materials regarding the resurgence of these things in the Baltics - holocaustinthebaltics.com/

74 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:15:12am

I'm going to drill a 1/2" hole in my forehead to bleed off some of the pressure.

75 What, me worry?  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:15:13am

re: #29 Gus 802

Lame! I hate going to Whole Foods anyway. Too many yuppie posers go shopping there. And the prices s-u-c-k.

Something came across The Twitter this weekend that I thought was funny. It's no longer "yuppies", but "whipsters" = White Hipsters. LOL

76 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:15:14am

re: #70 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

A lot of them aren't. And that's eventually going to lead to some questioning why they hold loyalty to a nation that's actively hostile to them and whether those who preach against this nation might have a point.

And I don't blame them. Geller and her stupid friends are more of an aid to the Jihadists than people who realize that most Muslims aren't terrorists and shouldn't be treated as such.

77 Amory Blaine  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:15:31am

re: #60 Gus 802

If they have the land and time. Denver had a lot of community gardens. Then you have to have irrigation/water available. Denver also started allowing people to own chickens (last I looked) for personal use. But yeah that would really help. There's something weird about paying for food. That is one work towards there food either through gardening or hunting but don't exchange cash for it. Something like that.

We're lucky here in Milwaukee to have Will Allen and Growing Power dedicated to urban farming. We also have Sweet Water Organics although I recognize the debate about health and farming fish. There is definitely a renewal towards gardening and it is a positive for the community.

78 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:15:57am

re: #75 marjoriemoon

Something came across The Twitter this weekend that I thought was funny. It's no longer "yuppies", but "whipsters" = White Hipsters. LOL

Not Whorons?

79 Atlas Fails  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:17:10am

re: #66 HappyWarrior

The sad thing is, a vast majority of Jews are sympathetic toward Muslims and even support a Palestinian state, but a few lunatics on either side make it seem like there's some kind of blood feud between the two religions. Granted, the pro-Israel side of the aisle tends to have fewer radicals, but dunderheads like Pam just enforce the distrust that some Muslims feel towards Jews and makes it easier for them to justify their own radicalism. So not only did she inspire the worst mass murderer in a country's history, she and her ilk probably unwittingly inspire the very jihadists they claims to work against.

80 darthstar  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:17:45am

I'm missing Jerry today.

81 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:18:49am

re: #80 darthstar

I'm missing Jerry today.

[Video]

Go have a Cherry Garcia cone.

82 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:20:04am

re: #79 Atlas Fails

The sad thing is, a vast majority of Jews are sympathetic toward Muslims and even support a Palestinian state, but a few lunatics on either side make it seem like there's some kind of blood feud between the two religions. Granted, the pro-Israel side of the aisle tends to have fewer radicals, but dunderheads like Pam just enforce the distrust that some Muslims feel towards Jews and makes it easier for them to justify their own radicalism. So not only did she inspire the worst mass murderer in a country's history, she and her ilk probably unwittingly inspire the very jihadists they claims to work against.

Yep, pretty much.

83 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:20:53am

re: #66 HappyWarrior

It's worse because Crazy Pam and Debbie are Jewish and you know damn well they know the nasty history that Jews have been subjected to.

Because you know how loud they'd scream if Whole Foods removed a single Israeli product from their shelves.

84 Atlas Fails  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:21:39am

re: #80 darthstar

I'm missing Jerry today.

[Video]

Any friend of the devil is a friend of mine Debbie Schlussel.

85 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:22:27am

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Mark Duggan, whose shooting by police sparked London's riots, did not fire a shot at police officers before they killed him, the Independent Police Complaints Commission said on Tuesday.

86 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:22:39am

re: #58 HappyWarrior

True that. The thing is it seems that full out blown paranoia about Muslims has grown dramatically. It is a world where Grover Norquist, Chris Christie, and Herman Cain are being accused of being agents of the Muslim Brotherhood simply because they have a Muslim wife, appointed a Muslim American to a judgeship, and walked back bigoted comments about Muslims. It's scary shit. If I were a Muslim right now, I'd be feeling not too welcome.

I work retail, my job is to help customers. I smile and greet every customer regardless of how they are dressed or what language they speak. Immigrant customers of all nationalities sometimes seem surprised that a white person would be so genuinely friendly.

WTF? It's not only my jobs, it's my personality.

There is one mother and daughter who shop regularly (in full robes, only faces showing) that are the most wonderful people. I'd never have had the opportunity of knowing that if I hadn't: a-done my job and b-been sincere.

IMHO,The bigots are the ones losing-out.

87 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:23:59am

re: #86 ggt

I work retail, my job is to help customers. I smile and greet every customer regardless of how they are dressed or what language they speak. Immigrant customers of all nationalities sometimes seem surprised that a white person would be so genuinely friendly.

WTF? It's not only my jobs, it's my personality.

There is one mother and daughter who shop regularly (in full robes, only faces showing) that are the most wonderful people. I'd never have had the opportunity of knowing that if I hadn't: a-done my job and b-been sincere.

IMHO,The bigots are the ones losing-out.

I've said it before but I've been extremely fortunate to grow up in a diverse area with people of many backgrounds and my university is pretty diverse too. Makes me glad I chose George Mason over James Madison for that reason even if JMU's parties are better heh.

88 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:24:24am

re: #85 Sergey Romanov

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Mark Duggan, whose shooting by police sparked London's riots, did not fire a shot at police officers before they killed him, the Independent Police Complaints Commission said on Tuesday.

Compared to Russia, such a breath of fresh air - no cover-up attempts.

89 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:26:04am

re: #85 Sergey Romanov

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Mark Duggan, whose shooting by police sparked London's riots, did not fire a shot at police officers before they killed him, the Independent Police Complaints Commission said on Tuesday.

Sigh. Hate reading about stuff like this.

90 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:26:04am

re: #87 HappyWarrior

I've said it before but I've been extremely fortunate to grow up in a diverse area with people of many backgrounds and my university is pretty diverse too. Makes me glad I chose George Mason over James Madison for that reason even if JMU's parties are better heh.

Me too.

In many ways this is a clash of cultures --rural vs metropolitan.

Those of us in the urban areas are saying "WTF"?

91 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:26:12am

Well, sigh, I won't be shopping at Whole Foods again.

Um, I never have, so I guess they don't care.

FARMER'S MARKETS RULE!

92 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:26:21am

re: #3 Lidane

Hang on a second. They missed a great opportunity to move relations forward. Is that their job? No. But they do have a responsibility to the employees. Safe, continued employment. Tough call retail food is hardly an easy business especially now. I'll still shop there. They have done no harm, just declined to do something we believe would have been great.

93 nines09  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:26:39am

What Whole Foods SHOULD SAY;
"The misinterpretation has generated some negative feedback from a small segment of vocal and angry consumers racists and bloggers bigots. We will sell and promote what our customers want irregardless of actions of those who do not know their ass from a hole in the ground."

94 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:26:48am

re: #85 Sergey Romanov

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Mark Duggan, whose shooting by police sparked London's riots, did not fire a shot at police officers before they killed him, the Independent Police Complaints Commission said on Tuesday.

shades of Rodney King?

95 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:27:27am

re: #83 Alouette

Because you know how loud they'd scream if Whole Foods removed a single Israeli product from their shelves.

Yep. Really because of some of the crap my Catholic ancestors experienced, it makes me no doubt about it more sensitive to bigotry and religious intolerance whether the person be not religious at all, Muslim, Jewish, or whatever. I love the idea of freedom of religion- that one can practice their religious freely or equally better not practice a religion. That's what is supposed to make America great.

96 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:27:52am

re: #86 ggt

I work retail, my job is to help customers. I smile and greet every customer regardless of how they are dressed or what language they speak. Immigrant customers of all nationalities sometimes seem surprised that a white person would be so genuinely friendly.

WTF? It's not only my jobs, it's my personality.

There is one mother and daughter who shop regularly (in full robes, only faces showing) that are the most wonderful people. I'd never have had the opportunity of knowing that if I hadn't: a-done my job and b-been sincere.

IMHO,The bigots are the ones losing-out.

In the words of a famous movie star - Pipples is pipples.

97 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:29:15am

UK riots continue for a 4th night

98 Amory Blaine  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:29:57am

re: #87 HappyWarrior

Milwaukee earns dubious distinction of most segregated city in America

My wife is a "minority" and I'm white. When we go to the mall or such, I will usually wait outside on the bench because shopping bores me to tears or I'll go off to go check out my own gear. Well when I'm in the back and no one knows we're together I can't even count the times the sales people hover around her or commit other rude activities. Fucking disgusting.

99 Lidane  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:30:05am

re: #92 Rightwingconspirator

They gave in to a bunch of ranting, xenophobic bigots at the expense of both their employees and their customers. There's no question in my mind they made the wrong call.

Screw the bigots. Let them shop at Wal-Mart. Oh, wait. Never mind. Wal-Mart's own generic brand is halal so they can sell it to as many people as possible. Guess the bigots are out of luck there, too.

100 blueraven  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:30:53am

re: #92 Rightwingconspirator

Hang on a second. They missed a great opportunity to move relations forward. Is that their job? No. But they do have a responsibility to the employees. Safe, continued employment. Tough call retail food is hardly an easy business especially now. I'll still shop there. They have done no harm, just declined to do something we believe would have been great.

Maybe its not their job to move relations forward, but it would probably be a good PR move. Instead they cave to a small, but vocal band of bigots.
Whats next? Removing the Mexican food section?

101 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:31:13am

re: #98 Amory Blaine

Milwaukee earns dubious distinction of most segregated city in America

My wife is a "minority" and I'm white. When we go to the mall or such, I will usually wait outside on the bench because shopping bores me to tears or I'll go off to go check out my own gear. Well when I'm in the back and no one knows we're together I can't even count the times the sales people hover around her or commit other rude activities. Fucking disgusting.

That's my experience exactly.

102 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:32:02am

re: #99 Lidane

They gave in to a bunch of ranting, xenophobic bigots at the expense of both their employees and their customers. There's no question in my mind they made the wrong call.

Screw the bigots. Let them shop at Wal-Mart. Oh, wait. Never mind. Wal-Mart's own generic brand is halal so they can sell it to as many people as possible. Guess the bigots are out of luck there, too.

And there is more to food than meat and potatoes. The small town excuse for spaghetti sauce is apalling, IMHO.

I much prefer my Urban Metro area --even in the far, far western parts (nearly Iowa) of Chicagoland, I can get falaffel, and a real calzone.

103 Lidane  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:33:20am

re: #100 blueraven


Whats next? Removing the Mexican food section?

I'm surprised they haven't done that in Arizona yet. =P

104 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:34:14am

re: #98 Amory Blaine

Milwaukee earns dubious distinction of most segregated city in America

My wife is a "minority" and I'm white. When we go to the mall or such, I will usually wait outside on the bench because shopping bores me to tears or I'll go off to go check out my own gear. Well when I'm in the back and no one knows we're together I can't even count the times the sales people hover around her or commit other rude activities. Fucking disgusting.

Do you find it universal? I notice that if people are visually attractive, regardless of race, they get "special" treatment.

I have one AA friend who is traffic stopping georgous in her PJ's. So, when she goes out into the world dressed and with make-up --people just fawn over her. I feel like an albino mutant.

105 funky chicken  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:34:35am

re: #56 BigPapa
Debbie Schlussel et al:

I shed no tears for these HAMASnik campers with a Scandinavian dialect. Perpetrators are not victims. Sorry. HAMAS collaborators don’t get my pity. They never will.

And Whole Foods has the safety of their employees and customers to worry about. They don't want a repeat of the Norway attacks happening in one of their stores because of little crescent moon stickers.

106 Amory Blaine  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:35:39am

re: #100 blueraven

Maybe its not their job to move relations forward, but it would probably be a good PR move. Instead they cave to a small, but vocal band of bigots.
Whats next? Removing the Mexican food section?

Refried beans are the foot in the door!!!!1ty1

107 laZardo  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:35:50am

re: #1 Surabaya Stew

Where I come from, we normally refer to them as "emo/hipster scarves."

/also good morning

108 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:36:18am

re: #105 funky chicken

Debbie Schlussel et al:

And Whole Foods has the safety of their employees and customers to worry about. They don't want a repeat of the Norway attacks happening in one of their stores because of little crescent moon stickers.

It's a whole different ballgame when you are listed on the stock exchange. So many more responsibilities and public perceptions are unfortunately a big deal.

109 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:36:34am

re: #106 Amory Blaine

ding dong ditch with refried beans?

110 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:37:34am

re: #104 ggt

Do you find it universal? I notice that if people are visually attractive, regardless of race, they get "special" treatment.

I have one AA friend who is traffic stopping georgous in her PJ's. So, when she goes out into the world dressed and with make-up --people just fawn over her. I feel like an albino mutant.

I find the number of instances going down, especially if the store workers are young, but it happens far too commonly for my wife's and my comfort.

111 CuriousLurker  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:39:23am

re: #105 funky chicken

Debbie Schlussel et al:

And Whole Foods has the safety of their employees and customers to worry about. They don't want a repeat of the Norway attacks happening in one of their stores because of little crescent moon stickers.

If something like that happened (God forbid), it wouldn't be because of little crescent moon stickers, it would be because of some monster's murderous hatred. AFAIK, little crescent moon stickers have never killed anyone.

112 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:40:50am

re: #111 CuriousLurker

If something like that happened (God forbid), it wouldn't be because of little crescent moon stickers, it would be because of some monster's murderous hatred. AFAIK, little crescent moon stickers have never killed anyone.

how many of these same people even know what the "Cirlce U" or the "P" stands for on the packaging?

113 CuriousLurker  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:40:59am

re: #108 ggt

It's a whole different ballgame when you are listed on the stock exchange. So many more responsibilities and public perceptions are unfortunately a big deal.

Would you say the same thing if they caved to anti-Semitism because they were worried about attacks by neo-Nazis?

114 Atlas Fails  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:42:05am

re: #95 HappyWarrior

Yep. Really because of some of the crap my Catholic ancestors experienced, it makes me no doubt about it more sensitive to bigotry and religious intolerance whether the person be not religious at all, Muslim, Jewish, or whatever. I love the idea of freedom of religion- that one can practice their religious freely or equally better not practice a religion. That's what is supposed to make America great.

What amazes me is how little empathy formerly persecuted groups seem to have for the current bogeyman of the week. While Catholics never faced the discrimination of blacks or Jews in this country, they were viewed as outsiders who were trendy to hate for a time (hence the rise of the Know-Nothings.) Now, I go to church and see cars with bumper stickers that say things like "One Big Mistake America" in the parking lot. Some of my church's members attend TP rallies and blather on about it to me, because I keep my politics to myself and I guess they assume I care about theirs (I don't.)

Most Catholics voted for Obama and still support him, albeit by a narrow margin. But there is a sizable conservative element that is extremely hostile to gays, Muslims, and those who are pro-choice. I'm pro-life myself, but some of the rhetoric is waaay over the top. I was in Catholic elementary school during the election of 2000, and our teacher told us she was voting for Bush, because Gore wanted to kill babies. I went home crying, thinking that Al Gore was going to kill my baby sister. Shades of Jesus Camp.

115 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:42:37am

re: #113 CuriousLurker

Would you say the same thing if they caved to anti-Semitism because they were worried about attacks by neo-Nazis?

Good point.

116 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:44:27am

re: #105 funky chicken

Debbie Schlussel et al:

And Whole Foods has the safety of their employees and customers to worry about. They don't want a repeat of the Norway attacks happening in one of their stores because of little crescent moon stickers.

You know the official reasons they give to refuse the gay prides in Moscow? No, not immorality or some such obviously bigoted thing. No. It's just - they can't guarantee the safety. "It's all those damn homophobes' fault!". The oldest excuse in the book.

117 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:44:41am

re: #113 CuriousLurker

Would you say the same thing if they caved to anti-Semitism because they were worried about attacks by neo-Nazis?

Which could happen if they ever realize that there are kosher symbols on most of the food they buy . . . .

118 Amory Blaine  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:44:54am

re: #104 ggt

Do you find it universal? I notice that if people are visually attractive, regardless of race, they get "special" treatment.

I have one AA friend who is traffic stopping georgous in her PJ's. So, when she goes out into the world dressed and with make-up --people just fawn over her. I feel like an albino mutant.


There are glimmers of hope, but no doubt this community hasn't grown much at all as concerning racial issues.


Feds Take on Racism in Wisconsin

Regarding an affordable house development in a Milwaukee suburb:

New Berlin Mayor Jack Chiovatero initially supported the project, but was worn down by being called a "n***** lover," having his property vandalized and a failed recall effort against him. The pressures upon Chiovatero were revealed in an email he sent to a friend, indicating that he condemned racism, but found himself surrounded by it.

119 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:46:13am

bbiab

120 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:46:15am

re: #114 Atlas Fails

What amazes me is how little empathy formerly persecuted groups seem to have for the current bogeyman of the week. While Catholics never faced the discrimination of blacks or Jews in this country, they were viewed as outsiders who were trendy to hate for a time (hence the rise of the Know-Nothings.) Now, I go to church and see cars with bumper stickers that say things like "One Big Mistake America" in the parking lot. Some of my church's members attend TP rallies and blather on about it to me, because I keep my politics to myself and I guess they assume I care about theirs (I don't.)

Most Catholics voted for Obama and still support him, albeit by a narrow margin. But there is a sizable conservative element that is extremely hostile to gays, Muslims, and those who are pro-choice. I'm pro-life myself, but some of the rhetoric is waaay over the top. I was in Catholic elementary school during the election of 2000, and our teacher told us she was voting for Bush, because Gore wanted to kill babies. I went home crying, thinking that Al Gore was going to kill my baby sister. Shades of Jesus Camp.


I know what you mean about pro life. I've felt a conflict about the issue for a while and I too had a sibling who was born around the 2000 election. I could never relate to my more conservative Catholics friends' families. We're talking Alan Keyes types here. I always felt a little looked down upon since my upbringing wasn't religious at all. But my great uncle was a priest and my dad and his siblings went to Catholic school so I still feel culturally Catholic due to my heritage.

121 Atlas Fails  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 11:58:55am

re: #120 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I get conflicted too. On one hand, I fully support embryonic stem-cell research, full access to birth control, and marriage equality, so I've been ignoring the Church's commentary on social issues for years. I can't stand Benedict either, and the traditionalist wing of the Church can't go away fast enough for me.

On the other hand, I just haven't been able to make the leap to become pro-choice. Not because of anything the Church says, but because something about strikes me as just...wrong. I'm not saying abortion should be outlawed tomorrow, and I'm not saying we were better off in the days of coat-hanger abortions, but I would like to see a day when abortion is no longer necessary and can be outlawed without killing women. I just can't imagine fetuses as cell clusters. They seem so...so human to me.

122 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 12:01:13pm

re: #99 Lidane
re: #100 blueraven

You will find retailers are easily talked out of doing things. Retailers cave in to far left looney tunes from time to time. Case in point the "No Dirty Gold" campaign. Who have taken a good idea, made the perfect the mortal enemy of the good, and shaken down big jewelry retailers.

123 Spocomptonite  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 12:30:56pm

This is a stupid move by Whole Foods. I'm sorry for stereotyping, but their shopper demographic is NOT the demographic that complained about this.
Further, having worked in food service myself, we make a metric BUTTLOAD of sales off Halal products. Kosher stuff? Vegan stuff? Meh. Halal, though, gets its own pallet (sometimes two) for our freezer delivery. And that's just from carrying only three Halal products. Three! Not marketing to that is a missed opportunity of astronomical proportions.
Not to mention the bad PR you get from the people that ARE your shopping demographic.

Bad move all around.

124 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 12:36:45pm

re: #121 Atlas Fails

but I would like to see a day when abortion is no longer necessary and can be outlawed without killing women. I just can't imagine fetuses as cell clusters. They seem so...so human to me.

How on earth could abortion be outlawed? Ever?

Are you religious?

125 so.cal.swede  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 12:45:04pm
Kate here from Whole Foods. To set the record straight, Whole Foods Market is NOT cancelling our current halal promotion,
which is centered around the timeframe of Ramadan. We invite shoppers seeking
out not
just halal certified products, but products that also meet our high quality
standards to try Saffron Road and other regional offerings in our stores.


We never sent a communication from our headquarters requesting
stores take down signs at all. We have 12 different operating regions and your reacted by sending out directions to promote Halal and not specifically
Ramadan after some online negative comments and after viewing signage made by one individual at a store that didn't point to these products.


We’re excited to be offering high quality halal products for our
shoppers and we stand behind them and our promotion of them, just like we do
with other seasonal and holiday products.

126 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 12:45:30pm

re: #17 jamesfirecat

I'd like it even better if they could also stop highlighting any part of November as "Christmas time"!

Grouch.

127 allegro  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 12:47:21pm

re: #121 Atlas Fails

Yeah, I get conflicted too. On one hand, I fully support embryonic stem-cell research, full access to birth control, and marriage equality, so I've been ignoring the Church's commentary on social issues for years. I can't stand Benedict either, and the traditionalist wing of the Church can't go away fast enough for me.

On the other hand, I just haven't been able to make the leap to become pro-choice. Not because of anything the Church says, but because something about strikes me as just...wrong. I'm not saying abortion should be outlawed tomorrow, and I'm not saying we were better off in the days of coat-hanger abortions, but I would like to see a day when abortion is no longer necessary and can be outlawed without killing women. I just can't imagine fetuses as cell clusters. They seem so...so human to me.

There is such an easy answer to your conflict. If you don't like the idea of an abortion don't have one if you get pregnant. There. That's it. As far as the choice any other woman makes, that's her conflict to resolve.

128 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 12:51:18pm

re: #13 Obdicut

I can buy halal food at a shop that also has glaat kosher stuff. Obvious proof of the Zio-Muslim conspiracy.

All the halal places in the East Bay and SF advertise kosher products.

129 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 12:55:35pm

re: #64 Atlas Fails

Disgraceful. Reminiscent of Crazy Pam's bizarre rants about "YOUR FOODES MIGHT BE HALAAL ANF YOU DONT EVEN RELEIZE IT!!!11!" Eerily similar to anti-Semitic hysteria over kosher foods being sold in grocery stores. History will not judge these maniacs kindly.

God forbid I should accidentally eat something halal!!!

(Wait, I have. Tasted fine.)

130 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 12:57:20pm

re: #90 ggt

Me too.

In many ways this is a clash of cultures --rural vs metropolitan.

Those of us in the urban areas are saying "WTF"?

All the chief haters are urbanites, though.

131 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:02:30pm

re: #98 Amory Blaine

Milwaukee earns dubious distinction of most segregated city in America

My wife is a "minority" and I'm white. When we go to the mall or such, I will usually wait outside on the bench because shopping bores me to tears or I'll go off to go check out my own gear. Well when I'm in the back and no one knows we're together I can't even count the times the sales people hover around her or commit other rude activities. Fucking disgusting.

One of my ex-bosses, white and Jewish, (and with that New York Ashkenazi ballsiness) developed sort of a mentoring/aunt-like relationship with an African-American teenager who interned at the agency we worked at. At one point, she was buying the kid some clothes for college. Told her to try things on, put what she liked on hold, and L. would check them out.

Turns out that the people at the department store had NOT put the nice clothes the black teenager had asked them to put on hold on hold. L. completely and calculatedly lost her shit, yelling that 'my daughter' asked for these things to be put on hold. Why wouldn't they be on hold? Who makes a mistake like that? Find them, or I'll sue!!!

Maybe, maybe, maybe they got a little more careful about who they assumed what about.

132 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:06:21pm

re: #111 CuriousLurker

If something like that happened (God forbid), it wouldn't be because of little crescent moon stickers, it would be because of some monster's murderous hatred. AFAIK, little crescent moon stickers have never killed anyone.

What if you accidentally ate a piece of fruit without removing the little cresent moon sticker and choked on it?

133 CuriousLurker  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:13:45pm

re: #132 SanFranciscoZionist

What if you accidentally ate a piece of fruit without removing the little cresent moon sticker and choked on it?

Hahahaha, okay, you got me!

134 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:19:44pm

re: #104 ggt

Do you find it universal? I notice that if people are visually attractive, regardless of race, they get "special" treatment.

I have one AA friend who is traffic stopping georgous in her PJ's. So, when she goes out into the world dressed and with make-up --people just fawn over her. I feel like an albino mutant.

Last year I dated a black woman and this happened as well. We got dirty looks from other blacks and some whites since both of us were more than happy to hold hands and kiss in public. Mind you, I live in the immediate San Francisco Bay Area - or as Republicans here like to say, "Occupied San Francisco."

135 CuriousLurker  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:26:14pm

re: #122 Rightwingconspirator

re: #100 blueraven

You will find retailers are easily talked out of doing things. Retailers cave in to far left looney tunes from time to time. Case in point the "No Dirty Gold" campaign. Who have taken a good idea, made the perfect the mortal enemy of the good, and shaken down big jewelry retailers.

Seriously. RWC? You're summoning the MBF over this? We're talking about caving to religious bigotry here, how is that even close to being comparable?

136 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:31:55pm

See the update above -- apparently this was not from Whole Foods HQ, but from one of their 12 regions. The promotion is not being canceled.


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