Newsweek Releases Outtakes from Bachmann Photo Shoot

Is it sexist to notice that Michele Bachmann is a loon?
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Newsweek’s cover photo of a wild-eyed Michele Bachmann has drawn criticism from both the right and the left, with some feminists accusing Newsweek of sexism for choosing that particular image.

Today Newsweek has published more of the photos taken for their Bachmann feature: Michele Bachmann Newsweek Cover Shoot Outtakes.

Said Newsweek editor in chief Tina Brown in a statement, “Michele Bachmann’s intensity is galvanizing voters in Iowa right now and Newsweek’s cover captures that.” Many of the photographs taken for the feature showed Bachmann with similar intensity. Here are more images from the shoot, including some used inside the magazine, showing Bachmann in the nation’s capital and on the trail in Iowa.

The outtakes do indeed show Bachmann with the same glazed stare; anyone who’s observed her over the years knows that she often has that strange, robotic look. And yes, it does make her appear demented.

But is it “sexist” to use this photo? I don’t believe it is. There’s no gender-related element here, unlike the time when Newsweek used a photo of Sarah Palin in short shorts; now that was sexist. But calling Bachmann the “Queen of Rage” (when she personifies the angry Tea Party right) and using a photo that accurately portrays her disturbing fixed stare has nothing to do with her gender — it has to do with her fanaticism.

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1 Interesting Times  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:01:34pm

Okay, this one just begs for a caption.

2 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:01:59pm

I think the color of her eyes contributes to it. I knew a guy in college who also had a strange stare, and it was partly because of the color of his eyes.

(It's not like they grafted her head onto someone else's body. Ahem.)

3 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:02:36pm

re: #1 publicityStunted

Okay, this one just begs for a caption.

The Michelle 2000-X model can be stored neatly in the corner when not in use.

4 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:02:44pm

Portraying someone falsely as a victim at every ill opportunity because that person happens to be female is sexist. Portraying them as a victim of sexism when sexism plays no role also is a disservice to legitimate grievances about sexism in other instances.

5 blueraven  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:03:07pm

OT: Wow, wild day on the market

Dow closes up 429.99

6 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:03:25pm

I actually thought the fifth picture was good.

She's bat-shit crazy, but number 5 was a keeper.

8 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:03:49pm

re: #1 publicityStunted

Okay, this one just begs for a caption.

"Who's the genius who put that wax statue here? Rep. Bachmann will be here any minute now!"

9 Lidane  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:04:29pm

OK. Seriously? The more I look at photos of her, the more I'm convinced that while her glassy-eyed stare is all about her religious fanaticism, the surprised look on her face and the tight, pinched look she has is the result of a botched facelift and lots of Botox.

10 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:04:31pm

re: #1 publicityStunted

Okay, this one just begs for a caption.

Like, why is she wearing those sandals with a suit?

teehee, but that was my first thought.

11 Bulworth  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:04:48pm

She's certainly a loon, but she doesn't really convey "rage", at least visually.

12 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:05:36pm

re: #8 Sergey Romanov

That one makes me feel bad for her. She looks unhappy.

13 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:06:34pm

re: #12 Obdicut

That one makes me feel bad for her. She looks unhappy.

Sad panda Bachmann!

14 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:07:05pm

re: #4 000G

"just one more thing: love your suit!"
-Hannibal Lector

I really do like the outfit. Is that sexist of me to mention?

15 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:07:53pm

I don't see anything sexist about the rage factor either. These TPers can dish it out by accusing the president of hating this country but they can't handle a bad photo of one of their sweethearts. Sorry, my sympathy for them and Bachmann is notta.

16 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:09:22pm

re: #14 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It's fine.

One more point: I liked it better when the Right simply didn't care about accusations of sexism. Now that they are wielding them themselves, sometimes it seems like they are deliberately choosing false instances in order to make the accusation in general look silly.

I know, I know: Hanlon's razor.

17 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:10:01pm

re: #9 Lidane

OK. Seriously? The more I look at photos of her, the more I'm convinced that while her glassy-eyed stare is all about her religious fanaticism, the surprised look on her face and the tight, pinched look she has is the result of a botched facelift and lots of Botox.

I think she looks just like any other starved, skinny, martyr-minded woman I know.

You can see them at the mall, buying size 4 jeans after 5 kids, wearing work-out clothes having just come from the gym, hair dry and frizzed from too much chemical processes.

18 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:10:52pm

re: #12 Obdicut

That one makes me feel bad for her. She looks unhappy.

I'm beginning to believe she's not a very happy person.

19 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:11:23pm

re: #18 makeitstop

I'm beginning to believe she's not a very happy person.

She can't be.

She is too perfect.

20 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:11:48pm

re: #19 ggt

She can't be.

She is too perfect.

The migraines are a telling trait, IMHO

21 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:13:11pm

I've said it before, and I'll say it again; these photos and her appearance doesn't bother me. The 1000 yard stare doesn't bother me.

Her frakking bass-ackward policies bother me.

It's not the photos that bother me, it's the dead wrong policies she's espousing that do.

And none of this is sexist. That's how she photographs.

22 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:14:35pm

re: #14 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"just one more thing: love your suit!"
-Hannibal Lector

I really do like the outfit. Is that sexist of me to mention?

The suit is great, the shoes ruin it tho.

Much better if she had chosen these.

Sandals just don't go with the "navy power suit"

23 Kragar  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:15:16pm

re: #14 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"just one more thing: love your suit!"
-Hannibal Lector

I really do like the outfit. Is that sexist of me to mention?

"Do these pants make me look crazy?"
"Stop blaming the pants!"

24 Stifford  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:15:26pm

re: #1 publicityStunted

Okay, this one just begs for a caption.

"Danny...I mean Michelle... is not here, Mrs Torrance"

25 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:16:33pm

re: #21 lawhawk

I've said it before, and I'll say it again; these photos and her appearance doesn't bother me. The 1000 yard stare doesn't bother me.

Her frakking bass-ackward policies bother me.

It's not the photos that bother me, it's the dead wrong policies she's espousing that do.

And none of this is sexist. That's how she photographs.

Well, yes, but it's sooo much fun making light of her crazy eyes.

26 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:17:27pm

re: #22 ggt

I think it's the blouse that I think is neat. Sharp look, IMO.

27 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:17:38pm

"Sexist" has been overused to the point it means making a woman look bad in any way at all. Just like wingnuts saying "commie". Same mindset.

I notice in the out-takes she looks normal when looking at another person, warm even. But when she goes for that stagey practiced pose of gazing in to the distance she gets teh crazy on.

28 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:17:59pm

lol

29 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:18:09pm

re: #27 Rightwingconspirator

"Sexist" has been overused to the point it means making a woman look bad in any way at all. Just like wingnuts saying "commie". Same mindset.

I notice in the out-takes she looks normal when looking at another person, warm even. But when she goes for that stagey practiced pose of gazing in to the distance she gets teh crazy on.

she definitely has bad "handlers".

30 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:18:53pm

From my Facebook page.

If you had purchased $1,000 of shares in Delta Airlines one year ago, you would have $49.00 today! If you purchased $1,000 of shares in AIG, you would have $33.00. But, if you purchased $1,000 worth of beer, drank all the beer, turned in the aluminum cans for recycling, you would have $214.00. Therefore the best current investment plan is to drink heavily & recycle. It is called the "401-Keg Plan!

heh

31 Bulworth  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:19:03pm

I'm surprised they didn't use picture 4. It's both more flattering and more illuminating in that it reflects a certain religious piety or zeal.

32 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:19:22pm

re: #25 ggt

Well, yes, but it's sooo much fun making light of her crazy eyes.

If you are in it for fun, get out of politics. At least in Germany.


:-(

33 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:19:49pm
34 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:20:23pm

re: #31 Bulworth

I'm surprised they didn't use picture 4. It's both more flattering and more illuminating in that it reflects a certain religious piety or zeal.

#4 makes her nose look crooked.

35 iossarian  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:20:52pm

re: #9 Lidane

OK. Seriously? The more I look at photos of her, the more I'm convinced that while her glassy-eyed stare is all about her religious fanaticism, the surprised look on her face and the tight, pinched look she has is the result of a botched facelift and lots of Botox.

Maybe she picked her politics to go with the plastic surgery, rather than the other way around?

36 Iwouldprefernotto  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:21:10pm

She looks fabulous.

37 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:21:20pm

re: #33 Varek Raith

Kali ma! Kali ma!

Kolyma?! ///

38 Atlas Fails  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:21:33pm
39 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:21:59pm

re: #30 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

From my Facebook page.

If you had purchased $1,000 of shares in Delta Airlines one year ago, you would have $49.00 today! If you purchased $1,000 of shares in AIG, you would have $33.00. But, if you purchased $1,000 worth of beer, drank all the beer, turned in the aluminum cans for recycling, you would have $214.00. Therefore the best current investment plan is to drink heavily & recycle. It is called the "401-Keg Plan!

heh

I dig that quote. Been seeing it for the past week or so.

40 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:22:20pm

re: #33 Varek Raith

Kali ma! Kali ma!

Right degree of fanaticism, wrong religion.

41 Atlas Fails  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:22:20pm
42 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:22:25pm

re: #35 iossarian

Maybe she picked her politics to go with the plastic surgery, rather than the other way around?

I don't really think she's had any plastic surgery. Too many wrinkles around the eyes, bags at the jowls and lines on the forehead.

43 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:23:17pm

re: #37 Sergey Romanov

No... Kali Ma....

44 iossarian  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:23:18pm

re: #42 ggt

I don't really think she's had any plastic surgery. Too many wrinkles around the eyes, bags at the jowls and lines on the forehead.

I dunno. Pic #5 (the one FBV "liked") is dubious in my view.

45 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:23:39pm

These picture reinforce my earlier observation that she photographs much better at an angle.

46 theheat  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:23:49pm

Kurt Cobain had piercing blue eyes and didn't look nearly as crazy. And that didn't turn out so well.

This is off the Richter scale crazy eyes. That is, if earthquake monitoring can be mentioned in the same sentence with a champion "government small enough to fit in your vagina."

47 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:23:49pm

re: #42 ggt

rwar! ffft... ffft...

(trying to make angry catty noises)
/

48 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:25:06pm

re: #43 lawhawk

No... Kali Ma...

[Video]

So he's praying to the Siberian death camps, it fits/

49 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:25:31pm

re: #45 SanFranciscoZionist

These picture reinforce my earlier observation that she photographs much better at an angle.

Agreed.

The one where she's standing alone in the room makes her look like she's a little overwhelmed.

50 Kragar  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:25:52pm

re: #31 Bulworth

I'm surprised they didn't use picture 4. It's both more flattering and more illuminating in that it reflects a certain religious piety or zeal.

"Now, are you comfortable? I see the injection is taking hold. A few more minutes and we can begin our...discussion."

51 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:26:06pm

re: #49 makeitstop

Agreed.

The one where she's standing alone in the room makes her look like she's a little overwhelmed.

That one has a sad feel. She seems small, and lost.

52 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:26:20pm

re: #44 iossarian

I dunno. Pic #5 (the one FBV "liked") is dubious in my view.

I think, if she had had an eye-lift her eyes would appear bigger without the "bag" from the eyebrow area --and there is a distinct lack of the "shine" that accompanies face "work".

A lot of it can be accomplished with a good make-up artist . . .

53 iossarian  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:26:25pm

re: #49 makeitstop

Agreed.

The one where she's standing alone in the room makes her look like she's a little overwhelmed.

Actually, I thought that was the only one where she looked more or less like a "normal" person.

54 simoom  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:26:44pm

I hate to say it, but I sympathize with Rep. Bachmann in this case. While it may represent one of the failings of modern journalism, I do think there is an unwritten agreement / expectation that when you pose for a magazine cover story, they're going to make you look your best. Whoever selected that photo surely recognized it as unflattering and knew what sort of impression it would give. If they'd failed to take a non-creepy picture they could have always offered a second photo shoot.

Newsweek intentionally selected the photo because they seem to have felt it accurately portrayed her zeal and intensity, not because they we're incapable of finding a more flattering image.

55 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:27:07pm

re: #50 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"Now, are you comfortable? I see the injection is taking hold. A few more minutes and we can begin our...discussion."

Okay... just a little pin-prick....

There'll be no more

AAAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHHHH

But you may feel a little sick...

56 recusancy  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:27:12pm

Anybody watching Dylan Rattigan? Dude's going off. I kind of like it.

57 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:28:05pm

re: #52 ggt

A lot of it can be accomplished with a good make-up artist . . .

According to that New Yorker article, she hired on of Fox News' best.

58 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:29:06pm

I don't think she really needs any face-work. One of the draw-backs of being in good shape is a lack of fat on the body. Is good for the way clothes fit, but bad for the face, nothing to puff-out the wrinkles.

I think she'd look better with less make-up and less poofy hair. Her handlers seem to be piling it on lately.

59 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:29:28pm

re: #57 makeitstop

According to that New Yorker article, she hired on of Fox News' best.

I'm suprised she is blonde by now.

60 Kragar  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:29:39pm

re: #55 makeitstop

Okay... just a little pin-prick...

There'll be no more

AAAGGGHHH

But you may feel a little sick...

"Now, how many lights do you see behind me?"
"Fluorescent or incandescent?
"Oh, a spirited one. We'll soon break you of that."

61 Interesting Times  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:29:40pm

re: #49 makeitstop

The one where she's standing alone in the room makes her look like she's a little overwhelmed.

Anyone pick up on the shape of the room, i.e. what it reminds you of?

62 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:30:03pm

re: #51 SanFranciscoZionist

That one has a sad feel. She seems small, and lost.

As much as I dislike her, I sincerely hope that the strain of the campaign doesn't do her any real harm.

63 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:31:02pm

re: #61 publicityStunted

Anyone pick up on the shape of the room, i.e. what it reminds you of?

How'd she get past White House security?
///

64 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:31:26pm

From one of the commenters...

It's not just the cover, it's every photo -- she looks like a 1980s stewardess on meth.

65 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:32:07pm

I read an article, years ago, about a little town with a mixed Hindu/Buddhist population, where there's an annual festival for Kali. The Hindu custom was to sacrifice a goat, and leave the offering butchered on the doorstep, with lots of blood.

The Buddhists didn't want to offend the goddess, or the neighbors, but also didn't plan to kill a goat, so their version was to smash the hell out of a big melon and leave that on the doorstep instead.

For some reason, I think this is sort of neat.

66 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:32:08pm

rwnj a/k/a Fox seem to prefer the Barbie version of the Stepford Wife.

67 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:32:47pm

re: #65 SanFranciscoZionist

I read an article, years ago, about a little town with a mixed Hindu/Buddhist population, where there's an annual festival for Kali. The Hindu custom was to sacrifice a goat, and leave the offering butchered on the doorstep, with lots of blood.

The Buddhists didn't want to offend the goddess, or the neighbors, but also didn't plan to kill a goat, so their version was to smash the hell out of a big melon and leave that on the doorstep instead.

For some reason, I think this is sort of neat.

Do they have a specially consecrated Sledge-O-Matic?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

:0

68 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:33:20pm

re: #58 ggt

I don't think she really needs any face-work. One of the draw-backs of being in good shape is a lack of fat on the body. Is good for the way clothes fit, but bad for the face, nothing to puff-out the wrinkles.

I think she'd look better with less make-up and less poofy hair. Her handlers seem to be piling it on lately.

"After forty, a woman has to choose between losing her face or losing her figure. My advice is to keep your face, and stay sitting down."

(Barbara Cartland, y'all).

69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:33:26pm
Okay, this one just begs for a caption.

I was told to pee in a corner. I can't find the corner!

70 Charleston Chew  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:33:53pm
Newsweek’s cover photo of a wild-eyed Michele Bachmann has drawn criticism from both the right and the left, with some feminists accusing Newsweek of sexism for choosing that particular image.

What I've learned from the Baby Boomers' generation (my parents' generation) is that political activists will eventually beclown their own noble causes if they live long enough.

Maybe it's the paradox of basing a profession activist on a single issue. Every step closer to your goal puts you a step closer to unemployment and irrelevancy, which can corrupt so-called activists into working for an artificially stasis where they can oppose the same things for infinity and be emotionally and financially secure in knowing nothing will change.

Maybe it's the shortcoming of age and habit that causes one to keep fighting the same fight long after time has changed the situation.

Maybe the righteous joy of success in fighting for justice becomes addictive and tempts one into far less righteous battles like a alcoholic who started out on champagne and ends up willing to down cough-syrup just to feed the need.

71 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:35:19pm

Though I do sympathize with her and dealing with migraines.

72 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:35:30pm

re: #71 Varek Raith

Though I do sympathize with her in dealing with migraines.

73 Kronocide  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:37:22pm

re: #30 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

From my Facebook page.

If you had purchased $1,000 of shares in Delta Airlines one year ago, you would have $49.00 today! If you purchased $1,000 of shares in AIG, you would have $33.00. But, if you purchased $1,000 worth of beer, drank all the beer, turned in the aluminum cans for recycling, you would have $214.00. Therefore the best current investment plan is to drink heavily & recycle. It is called the "401-Keg Plan!

heh

I so blatantly stole that.

74 laZardo  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:38:54pm

re: #30 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

From my Facebook page.

If you had purchased $1,000 of shares in Delta Airlines one year ago, you would have $49.00 today! If you purchased $1,000 of shares in AIG, you would have $33.00. But, if you purchased $1,000 worth of beer, drank all the beer, turned in the aluminum cans for recycling, you would have $214.00. Therefore the best current investment plan is to drink heavily & recycle. It is called the "401-Keg Plan!

heh

It's a plan that LGF's conservatives and liberals can both agree on! Real bipartisanship!

/ q;

75 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:39:37pm

re: #74 laZardo

It's a plan that LGF's conservatives and liberals can both agree on! Real bipartisanship!

/ q;

Maybe Obama would have had support if he proposed an universal beer care plan.

76 albusteve  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:39:39pm

re: #71 Varek Raith

Though I do sympathize with her and dealing with migraines.

I have no sympathy at all for any of her private affairs....this is a big time despicable person, very bad juju for America

77 Charleston Chew  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:39:55pm

re: #31 Bulworth

I'm surprised they didn't use picture 4. It's both more flattering and more illuminating in that it reflects a certain religious piety or zeal.

I'm surprised that any of these are cover photo outtakes. None of them are that great (and that had nothing to do with the subject and everything to do with shit photographers). 4 is not bad, but none of them are as attention getting as the one they went with, and that's the only consideration for a mag cover.

78 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:40:43pm

re: #76 albusteve

I have no sympathy at all for any of her private affairs...this is a big time despicable person, very bad juju for America

I agree.

79 laZardo  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:40:57pm

re: #75 HappyWarrior

Maybe Obama would have had support if he proposed an universal beer care plan.

Nah, the TTP* would have imposed a free-market ban on it.

/*Tee(Totaller)Party

80 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:41:30pm

Kinda sad she is going to for the sleeveless look a lot now. Michelle Obama started a trend, but Michelle Obama has great arms. Bachmann looks scrawny.

81 Surabaya Stew  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:41:35pm

re: #68 SanFranciscoZionist

"After forty, a woman has to choose between losing her face or losing her figure. My advice is to keep your face, and stay sitting down."

(Barbara Cartland, y'all).

Hmmmm, I seem to remember that remark coming from a well-known French actresss (can't remember who), except that is was something like:

"After 35, a woman has to let go one 2 things; her face or her ass. My advice, pick the one to save which get the most compliments!"

82 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:42:00pm

And now, some comic relief just in case Bachmann's stare is causing migraines..


(NSFW...possibly, or if you have liquid nearby)

83 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:42:01pm

re: #78 Varek Raith

I agree.

I agree with the sentiment, but I wouldn't wish health problems on anyone.

84 Charleston Chew  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:42:08pm

re: #62 makeitstop

As much as I dislike her, I sincerely hope that the strain of the campaign doesn't do her any real harm.

I admire your compassion, but think it's misplaced because running for President is voluntary.

85 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:43:38pm

re: #7 jamesfirecat

She looks like she's about to rip out that woman's heart with her teeth...

She has a second set of jaws behind those teeth, you know.

re: #1 publicityStunted

Okay, this one just begs for a caption.

Not a caption, but my first thought was a Stepford Wife plugged in to the wall for a recharge.

86 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:44:25pm

re: #84 Charleston Chew

I admire your compassion, but think it's misplaced because running for President is voluntary.

True. But who knows what the hell's going on in that camp.

Referring to the New Yorker article (again), it often reads like her husband is having a lot more fun than she is - and remember, she has to listen to him. Maybe he's a Machiavelli.

87 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:44:27pm

later all!

88 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:44:37pm
89 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:44:42pm

re: #81 Surabaya Stew

Hmmm, I seem to remember that remark coming from a well-known French actresss (can't remember who), except that is was something like:

"After 35, a woman has to let go one 2 things; her face or her ass. My advice, pick the one to save which get the most compliments!"

It's an old, old line, I just like Cartland's take on it.

90 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:45:40pm

re: #81 Surabaya Stew

Hmmm, I seem to remember that remark coming from a well-known French actresss (can't remember who), except that is was something like:

"After 35, a woman has to let go one 2 things; her face or her ass. My advice, pick the one to save which get the most compliments!"

So...Pippa will let go of her face.

91 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:45:47pm

re: #14 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"just one more thing: love your suit!"
-Hannibal Lector

I really do like the outfit. Is that sexist of me to mention?

No. There's nothing wrong with telling a woman that her outfit looks good, as long as it is done properly.

92 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:46:24pm

re: #88 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

FIRST!

I got a minute in and had to turn it off. But I did post it to Facebook.

93 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:48:46pm

re: #90 EmmmieG

So...Pippa will let go of her face.

SMACK!

94 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:49:30pm

re: #88 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

FIRST!

ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!

95 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:49:39pm

re: #93 Dark_Falcon

SMACK!

I'm sorry, but her tush has received more attention than any other member of the wedding party, including most members of the British Royal Family.

It came in second to the hat, I think.

96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:50:02pm

She's fifty-five years old. I thought she was younger.

97 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:50:36pm

re: #95 EmmmieG

I'm sorry, but her tush has received more attention than any other member of the wedding party, including most members of the British Royal Family.

It came in second to the hat, I think.

Well, it's a great ass and that was a fine hat.

Sorry, I'm a guy.

98 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:51:21pm

re: #79 laZardo

Nah, the TTP* would have imposed a free-market ban on it.

/*Tee(Totaller)Party

99 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:52:15pm

I imagine she's going to have a book out since that's the thing to do. If The Situation, Palin, and countless others can get book deals why not her?

100 Kragar  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:52:21pm
101 Kragar  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:52:51pm

re: #99 HappyWarrior

I imagine she's going to have a book out since that's the thing to do. If The Situation, Palin, and countless others can get book deals why not her?

Because she only needs one book!
/

102 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:53:26pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

Well, it's a great ass and that was a fine hat.

Sorry, I'm a guy.

You really can find anything on the internet.

(Semi-NSFW)

103 laZardo  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:53:49pm

brb lunch

104 Charleston Chew  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:54:49pm

re: #100 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Aluminum bat sales up 6,000% at Amazon UK

I'm imagining some exec at Major League Baseball: "See, my efforts to promote baseball in the UK are really paying off. What's that? No, I haven't been following the news. Why do you ask?"

105 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:54:55pm

re: #99 HappyWarrior

I imagine she's going to have a book out since that's the thing to do. If The Situation, Palin, and countless others can get book deals why not her?

Because Palin and Sorrentino can fill pages with audience-appealing minor details and nonsense if when run short of things to say, while Bachmann has Dominionist Tourette's.

106 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:55:08pm

re: #101 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Because she only needs one book!
/

Well it is a "good" book.

108 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:55:53pm

re: #54 simoom

I definitely see more of a point to your argument than the "sexism" argument. But I think the real motivation for choosing that photo was because Newsweek knew it would provoke a controversy.

109 jhrhv  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:57:19pm

Facial expressions say things about people. Often you can tell a lot about someone by the look on their face. In the case of Bachmann her face often says bat shit crazy. It's not sexists to show that it's just how she looks.

110 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 1:57:53pm

re: #108 Charles

I definitely see more of a point to your argument than the "sexism" argument. But I think the real motivation for choosing that photo was because Newsweek knew it would provoke a controversy.

Controversy is good when you run a news outlet. Tina Brown just got Fox News to give here a good deal of free airtime.

111 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:00:00pm

Wow. A friend of mine (who I've always thought of as a pretty level-headed guy) is going off on Obama on Facebook. Really, seriously hateful stuff, including numerous mentions of death.

I had to message him and tell him to dial it back. I'd hate for the guy to get a visit from the guys in the black suits.

112 Surabaya Stew  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:00:24pm

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

Controversy is good when you run a news outlet. Tina Brown just got Fox News to give here a good deal of free airtime.

This is true; Tina's name and (Newsweek) have got to be running pretty high on any "trending" list right now.

113 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:01:04pm

re: #111 makeitstop

Wow. A friend of mine (who I've always thought of as a pretty level-headed guy) is going off on Obama on Facebook. Really, seriously hateful stuff, including numerous mentions of death.

I had to message him and tell him to dial it back. I'd hate for the guy to get a visit from the guys in the black suits.

Why is he doing that, if I may ask? If I may not, feel free to tell me so.

114 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:01:16pm

re: #111 makeitstop

Wow. A friend of mine (who I've always thought of as a pretty level-headed guy) is going off on Obama on Facebook. Really, seriously hateful stuff, including numerous mentions of death.

I had to message him and tell him to dial it back. I'd hate for the guy to get a visit from the guys in the black suits.

They should visit him. Words mean things.

115 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:01:22pm

re: #111 makeitstop

Wow. A friend of mine (who I've always thought of as a pretty level-headed guy) is going off on Obama on Facebook. Really, seriously hateful stuff, including numerous mentions of death.

I had to message him and tell him to dial it back. I'd hate for the guy to get a visit from the guys in the black suits.

I feel ya. My cousin was saying some pretty hateful stuff about right wingers and Christians and I had to politely call him out. Also was saying some pretty vicious stuff about Sonny and Cher's transsexual son.

116 Digital Display  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:02:43pm

I don't get the picture..The eyes are the window to the soul..
Michelle is an attractive lady..She has a good look..except her eyes..Most good looking ladies can melt you with their eyes.. They make you smile..
But I've seen this woman hundreds of times now on TV or print and she never has done eyes well..There is something in those eyes i don't trust...
So generally.. I think the cover is a perfect image of MB's soul...
I don't say that in meanness about her...

117 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:03:04pm

re: #113 Dark_Falcon

Why is he doing that, if I may ask? If I may not, feel free to tell me so.

No idea. It came completely out of nowhere. As long as I've known him I'd assumed he was pretty much apolitical.

118 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:03:54pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

I feel ya. My cousin was saying some pretty hateful stuff about right wingers and Christians and I had to politely call him out. Also was saying some pretty vicious stuff about Sonny and Cher's transsexual son.

Right wingers, Christians, and Chaz Bono. Interesting hate list.

119 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:03:58pm

It seems that things are quieter in England now.

Is that true?

120 Alexzander  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:04:19pm

re: #114 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

They should visit him. Words mean things.

Its probably already in the process - Facebook actively cooperates with the FBI and regularly flags and shares material based on key words or name requests.
I'd say he's in trouble if the presidents name and a few other threatening words were posted.

121 Atlas Fails  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:04:20pm

I wonder how much griping we'll hear tonight on Fox about the liberal sexism concerning Bachmann. Sean "Limpcock" Hannity especially should throw a pity party for the ages.

122 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:05:18pm

Philly mayor: 'No excuses' for flash mob attacks

(CNN) -- Philadelphia's mayor described his stiff curfew on teenagers' "flash mob" attacks on city residents as a dose of "tough love" and called for parents to keep better watch on their kids.

"I have an understanding of what of our parents are facing, but others are in very challenging situations, and I appreciate that and understand that, but there is no excuse for young people being out so late at night by themselves and then making bad decisions and literally assaulting other citizens," Mayor Michael Nutter told CNN's "American Morning" on Tuesday. "I will not tolerate that."

There have been several assaults by teens on residents in recent weeks, and the beatings have left people badly injured. The city cites the culprits as members of a "flash mob," which is a group of people who decide to gather at a given place via e-mail and social media.

Nutter, who is African-American, delivered a frank sermon at his church, Mount Carmel Baptist in West Philadelphia, on Sunday about the problem.

The mayor lashed out at the attackers, saying "you've damaged yourself, you've damaged another person, you've damaged your peers and, quite honestly, you've damage your own race."

If if these 'flash mobs' keep happening, crime could reemerge as an issue in 2012. This would be a Republican advantage.

123 Kragar  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:05:35pm

Amazon UKs movers and shakers for sports equipment:

1. up 41,341% Telescopic baton
Sales rank: 17 (was 7,045)
2. up 36,856% Rucanor Aluminium Baseball Bat, Silver - 60 cm
Sales rank: 23 (was 8,500)
3. up 14,285% MA sports Laser 32" Aluminium Baseball Bat RRP
Sales rank: 68 (was 9,782)

124 albusteve  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:05:57pm

re: #117 makeitstop

No idea. It came completely out of nowhere. As long as I've known him I'd assumed he was pretty much apolitical.

BO does that to people....right, wrong or otherwise....
a lot of anger out there

125 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:06:31pm

This is cool.

About 125 protestors – some bused in on two charters – showed up from all over Boehner’s district, which includes part or all of Butler, Preble, Miami, Darke and Mercer counties. The protest was coordinated by Service Employees International Union (SEIU).

The group gathered outside Boehner’s office door tucked away at the end of a non-descript brick building on Cincinnati-Dayton Road loudly chanting: “Where are the jobs?”

About 50 of the protesters, upon learning that Boehner was at a fundraising golf outing at a Dublin, Ohio, country club promised to take the protest to him there.

Isn't it a big Tea Party knock on Obama that he plays too much golf?

126 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:06:36pm

re: #118 SanFranciscoZionist

Right wingers, Christians, and Chaz Bono. Interesting hate list.

Yeah that's what I thought too. I had to message his sister and tell him I felt bad for having to call him out in front of his friends (He's literally twice my age) but she was like he needed to hear it from his family. He was saying all this stuff knowing that his teenage nieces can read it too though my cousin told me she later blocked that out. I feel bad for him since he had a really messy divorce and he's got kidney problems but you can't be acting like that.

127 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:06:42pm

re: #121 Atlas Fails

Downding for the crude personal attack on Hannity. He's a hack, but attacks like that cheapen you, not him.

128 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:06:56pm

re: #126 HappyWarrior

Yeah that's what I thought too. I had to message his sister and tell her I felt bad for having to call him out in front of his friends (He's literally twice my age) but she was like he needed to hear it from his family. He was saying all this stuff knowing that his teenage nieces can read it too though my cousin told me she later blocked that out. I feel bad for him since he had a really messy divorce and he's got kidney problems but you can't be acting like that.


FITY

129 albusteve  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:07:54pm

re: #121 Atlas Fails

I wonder how much griping we'll hear tonight on Fox about the liberal sexism concerning Bachmann. Sean "Limpcock" Hannity especially should throw a pity party for the ages.

you have a cock obsession?....seems like it

130 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:08:03pm

re: #125 makeitstop

The SEIU can take a flying leap for all I care. It's a left-wing union that would attack Boener no matter what he does.

131 jvic  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:08:38pm

1. re: #7 jamesfirecat

She looks like she's about to rip out that woman's heart with her teeth...

Bipartisan agreement here. I logged on to say that some Bachmann images, that one in particular, should have fangs photoshopped in.

2. Is it just me, or is there a certain resemblance to Pam Geller?

3. My first reaction was that the Newsweek cover was a hit job, but I can't maintain that opinion after seeing Bachmann's official photo.

4. So as not to be misunderstood: though adamantly opposed to Bachmann, Palin and the like, I believe that some (not all) of the Tea Party's issues are legitimate, and that some (not all) of its participants are decent, well-intentioned, patriotic people.

132 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:08:41pm

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

The SEIU can take a flying leap for all I care. It's a left-wing union that would attack Boener no matter what he does.

I'm surprised you feel that way.
//////// x10

133 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:08:49pm

re: #121 Atlas Fails

I wonder how much griping we'll hear tonight on Fox about the liberal sexism concerning Bachmann. Sean "Limpcock" Hannity especially should throw a pity party for the ages.

You know damn well he will even though is dipshit mentor is the one who gave the world the word feminazi. But hey what's stopping Sean from whining about those hateful liberals while he tells his viewers we hate America.

134 Digital Display  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:08:51pm

re: #119 ProLifeLiberal

It seems that things are quieter in England now.

Is that true?

Hey you.. 2 buildings burnt down over at the Commons.. Alot of folks are hurting now..You said you had 3 friends homeless.. How are they? What is going on? Is there something I can do when you get into town to help?
Doesn't school start in 2 weeks?

135 Alexzander  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:11:36pm

re: #134 HoosierHoops

Hey you.. 2 buildings burnt down over at the Commons.. Alot of folks are hurting now..You said you had 3 friends homeless.. How are they? What is going on? Is there something I can do when you get into town to help?
Doesn't school start in 2 weeks?

My mother is in England right now and I haven't heard from her in a couple days.

136 Charleston Chew  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:12:24pm

re: #125 makeitstop

This is cool.

Isn't it a big Tea Party knock on Obama that he plays too much golf?

Dublin's quite far away from Butler county. I wonder how many made the trip.

137 Digital Display  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:12:25pm

Oh.. And good Afternoon Lizards...Forgot my intro...It's too hot to go outside...
If you choke a smurf.. What color does it turn into?

138 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:12:43pm

re: #135 Alexzander

My mother is in England right now and I haven't heard from her in a couple days.

Hope she's safe. My cousin and her family live outside of London but they're here for the month visiting. Got another cousin that lives in Cardiff but from what PFL told me last night (thanks btw) Cardiff so far is fine and I think they're still on vacation in Spain.

139 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:13:44pm

re: #6 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I actually thought the fifth picture was good.

She's bat-shit crazy, but number 5 was a keeper.

Agreed, number five was the best by far, a bit too much headroom but that's easily fixable with minor cropping. If one turned the cover shot in for a lighting people assignment at Brooks, and number five was in the outtakes, the entire class would surround and verbally murder that person for making them critique utter garbage.

140 Kragar  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:13:52pm

re: #137 HoosierHoops

Oh.. And good Afternoon Lizards...Forgot my intro...It's too hot to go outside...
If you choke a smurf.. What color does it turn into?

Black.

141 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:14:29pm

re: #134 HoosierHoops

I said that I had 3 friends in the complex.

2 of them sisters (literally, not the figurative APO sisters) are okay. They got out of the issue with aromatic apartments.

I think the other one is okay too, but I don't talk to her as much.

142 blueraven  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:15:23pm

re: #127 Dark_Falcon

Downding for the crude personal attack on Hannity. He's a hack, but attacks like that cheapen you, not him.

I detest Hannity but in this case I agree. That kind of stuff is fine for HuffPO or some other juvenile right or left wing blog.

I have found it refreshing that for the most part, the silly name calling has been absent on LGF. Its more of a grown up blog.

heh...except for some of the pun threads!

143 Digital Display  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:15:24pm

re: #140 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Black.

What do they call it when Smurfs make love?
They Smuck..

144 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:15:30pm

Obdicut, are you here?

145 RadicalModerate  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:15:47pm

Well, we now see what kind of programs the Congressional Tea Partiers are cutting now that they are in charge:

House ends its page program
High school students will no longer run errands for lawmakers. Their services are not essential, say leaders who also cite the program's $5-million cost.

146 Kragar  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:16:10pm

re: #143 HoosierHoops

What do they call it when Smurfs make love?
They Smuck..

I always wondered about Mystique...

Image: Mystique-The-Smurf-610x309.jpg

147 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:17:07pm

Crazed friend update: He responded to my message to take it easy by going off on me.

De-friended. He's on his own.

148 Charleston Chew  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:17:16pm

re: #131 jvic

Bachman's official photo's heavily airbrushed. Is that the norm for political candidates? Do male politicians get their portraits airbrushed to that extent?

149 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:17:30pm

re: #145 RadicalModerate

Well, we now see what kind of programs the Congressional Tea Partiers are cutting now that they are in charge:

House ends its page program
High school students will no longer run errands for lawmakers. Their services are not essential, say leaders who also cite the program's $5-million cost.

That's lame. It's a nice way of getting kids interested in government. I believe my former congressman Tom Davis started out as a page.

150 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:17:58pm

re: #147 makeitstop

Crazed friend update: He responded to my message to take it easy by going off on me.

De-friended. He's on his own.

Sucks man. You did the right thing though.

151 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:18:12pm

Apropos photos:

Whoa!

152 Atlas Fails  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:18:26pm

*Stupid alert*

I know it's not exactly high-hanging fruit, but
this
shows why hack sportswriters should stick to writing about sports.

P.S. Comments appear to be open. Just sayin'.

153 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:18:48pm

re: #149 HappyWarrior

That's lame. It's a nice way of getting kids interested in government. I believe my former congressman Tom Davis started out as a page.

eh, I think the kids who apply for those jobs are kids with an interest to begin with.

What that kind of program DOES do, however, is teach them the ropes, so to speak. I hate seeing any sort of program like this go by the wayside.

154 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:18:56pm

re: #139 goddamnedfrank

Agreed, number five was the best by far, a bit too much headroom but that's easily fixable with minor cropping. If one turned the cover shot in for a lighting people assignment at Brooks, and number five was in the outtakes, the entire class would surround and verbally murder that person for making them critique utter garbage.

The other reason number five needs cropping is because there's two disembodied fingers holding up a black flag in the upper left hand corner. ROFL.

Number six is a really nice shot too, but not a good cover because it's landscape and as Obdi noted she looks sad. That's why I like it though, it humanizes her.

155 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:19:13pm

re: #146 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I always wondered about Mystique...

Image: Mystique-The-Smurf-610x309.jpg

Oy, I think I just scared the neighbors cat with that laugh!

156 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:19:16pm

re: #147 makeitstop

Crazed friend update: He responded to my message to take it easy by going off on me.

De-friended. He's on his own.

Sometimes that's all you can do. When someone is determined to lose it like that you can't do much till they burnt off enough hate to listen.

157 Charleston Chew  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:19:33pm

re: #139 goddamnedfrank

Agreed, number five was the best by far, a bit too much headroom but that's easily fixable with minor cropping. If one turned the cover shot in for a lighting people assignment at Brooks, and number five was in the outtakes, the entire class would surround and verbally murder that person for making them critique utter garbage.

It's all about visual impact. And the pic they went with beats the rest in that area (though I wouldn't hire the amateur that took any of them).

158 Mickey Blumental  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:19:52pm

I don't understand where this outrage came from. Is this the first time some people get to see Bachmann? She looks like this all the time in every single video and photo ever taken. If she was in the same room as you right now, this is exactly what she is going to look like in person. I bet she even looks like this when she sleeps.

So what's the uproar about exactly?

159 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:19:55pm

re: #153 reine.de.tout

eh, I think the kids who apply for those jobs are kids with an interest to begin with.

What that kind of program DOES do, however, is teach them the ropes, so to speak. I hate seeing any sort of program like this go by the wayside.

Yeah excellent point, thanks. I have to say I was really upset when they started threatening to gut Pell Grants.

160 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:20:53pm

re: #151 000G

Apropos photos:

Whoa!

Image: tallJustin4b.png

161 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:21:01pm

re: #151 000G

Apropos photos:

Whoa!

Hahaha I got my photo last year taken with Gheorge Murusean (Romanian dude who was the biggest NBA player ever) and he made me look like a shrimp. I'm nearly 6 even not exactly small in stature.

162 Digital Display  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:21:13pm

re: #150 HappyWarrior

Sucks man. You did the right thing though.

Somebody I know in Indiana emailed me a picture of a Black man being lynched with Obama's face photoshopped in it...They thought it was funny.
Indiana does have race issues..I've talked about it many times here

163 albusteve  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:22:02pm

re: #158 Udon

I don't understand where this outrage came from. Is this the first time some people get to see Bachmann? She looks like this all the time in every single video and photo ever taken. If she was in the same room as you right now, this is exactly what she is going to look like in person. I bet she even looks like this when she sleeps.

So what's the uproar about exactly?

beats me...it's all so petty and AmIdol, I just have to laugh....

164 Charleston Chew  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:22:27pm

re: #152 Atlas Fails

*Stupid alert*

I know it's not exactly high-hanging fruit, but
this
shows why hack sportswriters should stick to writing about sports.

P.S. Comments appear to be open. Just sayin'.

When did Ron Burgundy get a column?

165 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:22:46pm

re: #162 HoosierHoops

Somebody I know in Indiana emailed me a picture of a Black man being lynched with Obama's face photoshopped in it...They thought it was funny.
Indiana does have race issues..I've talked about it many times here

Yikes, yeah that's bad. My ten year old brother hears some nasty stuff that his friends parrot about Obama. He was also telling me that he was one of only two kids that were allowed to ehar the president's back to school speech a couple years back. You know the one that the nuts got their shit bunched up over.

166 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:23:15pm

re: #162 HoosierHoops

Somebody I know in Indiana emailed me a picture of a Black man being lynched with Obama's face photoshopped in it...They thought it was funny.
Indiana does have race issues..I've talked about it many times here

I've had to block emails from family members (the FW:FW:FW:FW:FW: kind), because some of them were so virulent and racist I could harly believe I was related to the person sending them.

167 Atlas Fails  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:23:30pm

re: #127 Dark_Falcon

Didn't mean to offend, just a reference to his inane birth control/Viagra comments. In hindsight, the comment was definitely in poor taste, to say the least.

168 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:24:51pm

re: #162 HoosierHoops

Somebody I know in Indiana emailed me a picture of a Black man being lynched with Obama's face photoshopped in it...They thought it was funny.
Indiana does have race issues..I've talked about it many times here

If I ever got something like that from anyone I'd forward it to the Secret Service in a heartbeat.

169 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:26:47pm

re: #143 HoosierHoops

What do they call it when Smurfs make love?
They Smuck..

Those Smuckers...

170 blueraven  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:27:59pm

re: #167 Atlas Fails

Didn't mean to offend, just a reference to his inane birth control/Viagra comments. In hindsight, the comment was definitely in poor taste, to say the least.

Hey...we all got some of those!

171 Atlas Fails  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:28:30pm

re: #162 HoosierHoops

Somebody I know in Indiana emailed me a picture of a Black man being lynched with Obama's face photoshopped in it...They thought it was funny.
Indiana does have race issues..I've talked about it many times here

Sickening. Obama's election was supposed to usher in the post-racial era, but it's turned closet racists into foaming-at-the-mouth bigots. Enjoy your legacy, Tea Baggers.

172 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:30:31pm

re: #168 goddamnedfrank

If I ever got something like that from anyone I'd forward it to the Secret Service in a heartbeat.

Agreed. That's a clear death threat, as well as a sign of a truly vile frame of mind.

173 Surabaya Stew  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:31:02pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

I feel ya. My cousin was saying some pretty hateful stuff about right wingers and Christians and I had to politely call him out. Also was saying some pretty vicious stuff about Sonny and Cher's transsexual son.

Funny you bring that up....was checking my FB the other day, and right on up of the "People you may know" list was none other than Chaz Bono!

How in the hell did THAT happen?!?

174 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:31:31pm

re: #162 HoosierHoops

Somebody I know in Indiana emailed me a picture of a Black man being lynched with Obama's face photoshopped in it...They thought it was funny.
Indiana does have race issues..I've talked about it many times here

In the early 1920's the KKK effectively ran the state for about 18 months.

175 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:31:36pm

re: #144 reine.de.tout

Obdicut, are you here?

Yep. What's up?

176 Digital Display  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:31:46pm

OMG! Bill Simmons is on PTI on ESPN right now...
He is my hero! Glad i got off work early today

177 Alexzander  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:31:52pm

re: #138 HappyWarrior

Hope she's safe. My cousin and her family live outside of London but they're here for the month visiting. Got another cousin that lives in Cardiff but from what PFL told me last night (thanks btw) Cardiff so far is fine and I think they're still on vacation in Spain.

Thank you. My mum is in south east London - where I was born and spent the first few years of my life. I expect that even if she is safe, the whole incident has been deeply surreal and disruptive to her trip 'home.'

178 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:31:56pm

Off topic...

Good news regarding text books this semester:

1. All three cooking courses: CAHS 20 (adv food prep), 21 (meat analysis), and 203 (line cooking) do not have texts.

2. Two of Three texts for Anthropology can be found cheaper than at the bookstore, and...

3. So far, it looks like Nutrition for culinary students will be a class that survives on hand outs (biology dept confirmed no text has been requested by instructor).

179 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:33:00pm

re: #173 Surabaya Stew

Funny you bring that up...was checking my FB the other day, and right on up of the "People you may know" list was none other than Chaz Bono!

How in the hell did THAT happen?!?

That's weird. Strange thing happened to me: I got the realtor that sold my parents house as a suggested friend which is really strange since my parents don't use facebook and thus aren't friends with her and the first realtor we had whom played a huge role in the communtiy where I grew up.

180 garhighway  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:33:17pm

I can't wait for the SNL Republican debate sketch with Tina Fey as Palin and Kristin Wigg as Bachmann.

It will be pure comedy gold.

181 jvic  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:34:22pm

re: #145 RadicalModerate

Well, we now see what kind of programs the Congressional Tea Partiers are cutting now that they are in charge:

House ends its page program
High school students will no longer run errands for lawmakers. Their services are not essential, say leaders who also cite the program's $5-million cost.

Thanos put up an LGF page about that recently. He quoted a joint statement by Boehner and Pelosi. Needless to say, Pelosi is not in the Tea Party.

182 Spocomptonite  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:35:15pm

I'm missing the part about how this is sexist. She looks crazy because she is crazy, not because she's a woman. To think this is somehow sexist, one would have to be a bit sexist themselves and read sexism into it themselves.

183 Atlas Fails  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:35:24pm

re: #176 HoosierHoops

OMG! Bill Simmons is on PTI on ESPN right now...
He is my hero! Glad i got off work early today

Oh man, he's always annoyed the hell out of me. I hate Boston sports though, so I'm biased. 30 for 30 was amazing, I've gotta give him credit for that.

184 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:35:32pm

re: #175 Obdicut

Yep. What's up?

Hey, can I send you an email?

185 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:36:29pm

Some Brits on TVTropes in the forum are saying that damage from the riots is £100mn

That is $162 million. And I don't know if the Hurricane Rule Applies (NHC says that Insured losses are only about 1/2 of the total losses).

186 laZardo  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:36:43pm

re: #182 Spocomptonite

I don't find it sexist.

I do however believe that returning the stare would cause my very life essence to be siphoned painfully away in seconds.

187 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:36:54pm

Apropos magazine covers:

Heh…

188 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:37:14pm

re: #174 Dark_Falcon

In the early 1920's the KKK effectively ran the state for about 18 months.

Yep then their leader decided he liked biting young women and that was the downfall of them. An andecotal KKK story but my grandfather was telling me about how he remembered the KKK in his hometown in Pennsylvania. They didn't take too kindly to people like them since my grandfather's parents were Catholics and worse immigrants from Eastern Europe who as I am sure many of you know were targets of the new KKK. Weird part was he said one of his older brother's friends was in the KKK which is funny given their hostility towards those types. I also didn't know the KKK was big in Western Pa eitehr. Knew about Indiana tho.

189 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:38:38pm

re: #178 eclectic infidel

Off topic...

Good news regarding text books this semester:

1. All three cooking courses: CAHS 20 (adv food prep), 21 (meat analysis), and 203 (line cooking) do not have texts.

2. Two of Three texts for Anthropology can be found cheaper than at the bookstore, and...

3. So far, it looks like Nutrition for culinary students will be a class that survives on hand outs (biology dept confirmed no text has been requested by instructor).

Culinary school? I almost went to culinary school but opted for music. I don't regret it. Sounds like fun but the working invoronment sounds pretty intense . I don't think I would have lasted long. Good luck!

190 garhighway  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:38:56pm

re: #185 ProLifeLiberal

Some Brits on TVTropes in the forum are saying that damage from the riots is £100mn

That is $162 million. And I don't know if the Hurricane Rule Applies (NHC says that Insured losses are only about 1/2 of the total losses).

I would expect the insured values to be significantly lower than the actual values. Less than half.

191 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:38:58pm

I have to go. I may be back late tonight.

192 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:40:03pm

re: #190 garhighway

Ouch. So more than $324 million in damage.

I'm just going off of the NHC statements about Hurricanes and extrapolating.

193 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:41:21pm

re: #148 Charleston Chew

Bachman's official photo's heavily airbrushed. Is that the norm for political candidates? Do male politicians get their portraits airbrushed to that extent?

Probably, these days.

194 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:41:32pm

re: #184 reine.de.tout

Hey, can I send you an email?

Sure.

195 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:42:24pm

re: #194 Obdicut

Sure.

K. Sent.
It's an add-on to this morning's conversation, didn't want to start that up again here.

196 Digital Display  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:42:55pm

re: #183 Atlas Fails

Oh man, he's always annoyed the hell out of me. I hate Boston sports though, so I'm biased. 30 for 30 was amazing, I've gotta give him credit for that.

I love his mailbags.. Charles should do a thread as a mailbag once a month..It would give him a chance to respond to people about different topics.. And what makes it so fun is that getting near the end the letters they keep getting crazier...Bills responses are great ( imagine what Charles would say)...then he has the nuttiest email for the last.. And he always says.. Yup..Those are my readers...

197 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:43:58pm

Law from 2006 gives SEC scope to probe S&P


As observers call for a probe of insider trading from Standard & Poor’s decision to downgrade the U.S. credit rating, a little-known law from five years ago gives the Securities and Exchange Commission authority to do so.
...
“If it is true that they told hedge funds and briefed banks and told a few people ahead of everyone else that would appear to be a clear violation 2006 Act,” said Consumer Federation of America director Barbara Roper. “Credit rating agencies have to have polices to prevent the dissemination of pending rating action on the Internet.”
198 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:44:09pm

re: #152 Atlas Fails

*Stupid alert*

I know it's not exactly high-hanging fruit, but
this
shows why hack sportswriters should stick to writing about sports.

P.S. Comments appear to be open. Just sayin'.

Meanwhile, my dearest moonbat friend reminds me that Dr. King said, "A riot is the voice of the unheard."

My sympathy for the rioters remains absolutely nil.

199 darthstar  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:44:51pm

ha! I was hoping Newsweek would do this. Is there one with Bachmann biting the head off a puppy?

200 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:45:25pm

re: #190 garhighway

I would expect the insured values to be significantly lower than the actual values. Less than half.

If they're lucky, riot is often considered a force majeure event.

201 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:45:39pm

re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist

Meanwhile, my dearest moonbat friend reminds me that Dr. King said, "A riot is the voice of the unheard."

My sympathy for the rioters remains absolutely nil.

Yeah, Poor kids with cell phones, blackberries, computers and myspace pages? They sound more spoiled than poor to me.

202 dragonfire1981  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:45:53pm

Is anyone else surprised there are virtually no Bachmann apologists on LGF.

203 darthstar  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:46:05pm

I like the "Just fucked look"

204 shutdown  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:47:29pm

Hi everybody. I am going to say something that will run counter to the conventional wisdom on LGF. Bachmann is not crazy. If she were crazy, she could not run a campaign, with all of the associated stresses. Migraines and zealous stares aside, the woman is:
a) shrewd
b) calculating
c) fanatically religious
d) deeply convinced of the righteousness of her positions

She is much much worse than "crazy". She is a very clever religious zealot with political savvy and a populist bent. I would be a lot less scared of her if she were indeed a loon.

205 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:47:39pm

re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist

Meanwhile, my dearest moonbat friend reminds me that Dr. King said, "A riot is the voice of the unheard."

My sympathy for the rioters remains absolutely nil.

Same here.

206 darthstar  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:47:48pm

Is it me, or do her supporters look hypnotized?
Image: image.wide.1312846219749.jpg

207 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:48:30pm

re: #197 Killgore Trout

Law from 2006 gives SEC scope to probe S&P

Oh, it's on.

(Do you really think they'd do it?)

208 jvic  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:48:41pm

re: #186 laZardo

I do however believe that returning the stare would cause my very life essence to be siphoned painfully away in seconds.

IMO the stare, like the "wholesome all-American" Palin persona, is deliberate, at least in part. Bachmann's followers may well believe that her eyes are channeling the Spirit, and Bachmann may well be encouraging that belief.

209 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:50:39pm

re: #203 darthstar

I like the "Just fucked look"

Well? If she wins? We're just fucked. So, it's appropriate.

210 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:51:27pm

re: #202 dragonfire1981

Is anyone else surprised there are virtually no Bachmann apologists on LGF.

Honestly, I'm heartened that she gets some sympathy here. That's what separates LGF from lesser blogs.

But I think even with the sympathy shown, it's pretty much unanimous that she'd do irreversible damage to the country world if she became president..

211 shutdown  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:51:44pm

re: #207 makeitstop

Oh, it's on.

(Do you really think they'd do it?)

The SEC has a newly established division which is charged with supervising the rating agencies. The investigative division of the SEC may or may not have the resources to investigate S&P, but they won't. For the very simple reason that S&P did nothing wrong. The US is mired in political gridlock, has to negotiate internally to be able to pay its debt on a recurring basis, and has a limping economy. S&P voiced a reasoned opinion on US sovereign debt.

212 Alexzander  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:52:56pm

re: #204 imp_62

Hi everybody. I am going to say something that will run counter to the conventional wisdom on LGF. Bachmann is not crazy. If she were crazy, she could not run a campaign, with all of the associated stresses. Migraines and zealous stares aside, the woman is:
a) shrewd
b) calculating
c) fanatically religious
d) deeply convinced of the righteousness of her positions

She is much much worse than "crazy". She is a very clever religious zealot with political savvy and a populist bent. I would be a lot less scared of her if she were indeed a loon.

I'm going to support your orientation.

Calling people "crazy" or "insane" is the easiest way to dehumanize or discredit their positions. See Foucault's A History of Madness, R.D. Laing or Guattrri.
Bachman may be exhibiting a variety of dispositions, from xenophobia, to Christian proto-facsism or just plain old ignorance. But insanity is both too strong a term, and offensive to those who suffer from genuine mental illness.

213 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:53:19pm

re: #207 makeitstop

Oh, it's on.

(Do you really think they'd do it?)

I don't know. I think it's pretty clear that the market insiders knew on thursday the downgrade was coming. Who Leaked? It could have been anybody. S&P surely could have leaked. Congress and white house were also warned ahead of time so they could have leaked too.
I do feel like the backlash against S&P is directly related to the downgrade. I'm not really comfortable with the rating agencies influencing our politics (even if a agree with their sentiment) but I'm also not thrilled with the prospect of punishing them for issuing a rating we don't like.

214 shutdown  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:56:44pm

re: #213 Killgore Trout

I don't know. I think it's pretty clear that the market insiders knew on thursday the downgrade was coming. Who Leaked? It could have been anybody. S&P surely could have leaked. Congress and white house were also warned ahead of time so they could have leaked too.
I do feel like the backlash against S&P is directly related to the downgrade. I'm not really comfortable with the rating agencies influencing our politics (even if a agree with their sentiment) but I'm also not thrilled with the prospect of punishing them for issuing a rating we don't like.

There is absolutely NO WAY the own grade decision was leaked. Traders familiar with S&P rating methodology and who read the tea leaves from the meetings S&P had with the administration and congress simply decided to get a jump on the sell-off. The ratings decision was made behind closed doors, and with the utmost discretion. Nobody leaked anything; there are so few people involved with this kind of decision that any indiscretions would due quickly linked to an individual and heads would roll. Not to mention legal repercussions.

215 shutdown  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:57:57pm

And I hate the autocorrrect in Safari, I have decided.

216 simoom  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:58:13pm

Today's idiocy continues at Politico, this time in a superstitious examination of how the President is apparently cursed:
[Link: www.politico.com...]

What appears to have set them off was an extremely minor fire at the farm house the President's family will be renting (for a week or so):

Quick, somebody knock wood or give President Obama a rabbit's foot. The bad luck is unrelenting: A small fire broke out Tuesday morning at the president's Martha's Vineyard vacation retreat.

...

Earlier this year, a lightning strike hit the president's favorite local golf course at Andrews Air Force Base.

Internet speculation about Obama's propensity for bad luck has noted his tendency to toast world leaders with water, a 2009 teleprompter accident that shattered a reflective sheet of glass, and his prediction that the Indianapolis Colts would beat the New Orleans Saints in the 2010 Super Bowl. The Colts lost.

217 Kragar  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:58:41pm

re: #215 imp_62

And I hate the autocorrrect in Safari, I have decided.

Obviously.

218 shutdown  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:59:16pm

re: #217 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obviously.

seewaddimean?

219 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:59:25pm

Cole's blog has an epic post up about Politico's story this morning about Obama supposedly getting ready to go negative on Romney - and how the Firebaggers have picked it up and are running with it.

Obama is picking on Romney!

Good read.

220 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 2:59:38pm

re: #206 darthstar

Is it me, or do her supporters look hypnotized?
Image: image.wide.1312846219749.jpg

What did I tell you earlier? It'd be hard as heck to get a photo of her where she DIDN'T look weird.

221 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:00:17pm

Some people at DKos are moonbats! (You don't say?! ///)

This is the London spring (18+ / 0-)

But the London press won't recognize or acknowledge it. This is what happens when people lose hope, and feel that there's no future for them.


by political junquie on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 02:16:07 PM PDT

[ Parent ]
The European Summer (17+ / 0-)

is what I believe most are calling it. Spain is the most notable in terms of using the tactics of Egyptians and Tunisian, although this is more similar to what the Greeks are doing.

Bottom line, people are angry and they are finally starting to do something about it.


by AoT on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 02:27:22 PM PDT

[ Parent ]

Only some though.

222 darthstar  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:00:31pm
223 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:01:24pm

re: #202 dragonfire1981

Is anyone else surprised there are virtually no Bachmann apologists on LGF.

No.

224 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:02:03pm

re: #223 reine.de.tout

Oh! Hiya Toots!

225 Kragar  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:02:34pm

re: #219 makeitstop

Cole's blog has an epic post up about Politico's story this morning about Obama supposedly getting ready to go negative on Romney - and how the Firebaggers have picked it up and are running with it.

Obama is picking on Romney!

Good read.

Obviously what the GOP needs is the kind of leader who inspires his backers with that "STOP MAKING FUN OF ME" spirit which made America great.

226 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:02:36pm

re: #215 imp_62

And I hate the autocorrrect in Safari, I have decided.

Couldn't agree more. Is that in Lion? The other day it insisted on substituting "Pat Methane" for "Pat Metheny." If you don't always watch the screen when you type, the autocorrect can be a real pain in the nethers.

To turn off Safari's autocorrect in Lion, you have to be inside an editable text area, then go to the Edit menu and turn off Edit->Spelling and Grammar->Correct Spelling Automatically.

You have to do the same thing to turn it off in Mail.

227 Spocomptonite  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:02:37pm

re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist

Meanwhile, my dearest moonbat friend reminds me that Dr. King said, "A riot is the voice of the unheard."

My sympathy for the rioters remains absolutely nil.

Yeah, if they get hurt during their butthurt rioting, they have NHS. Meanwhile, I'm here in the States, still can't work, and because the guy who hit me's insurance PIP ran out, I'm paying for my medical bills now. Negative sympathy achieved.

228 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:02:52pm

re: #204 imp_62

Hi everybody. I am going to say something that will run counter to the conventional wisdom on LGF. Bachmann is not crazy. If she were crazy, she could not run a campaign, with all of the associated stresses. Migraines and zealous stares aside, the woman is:
a) shrewd
b) calculating
c) fanatically religious
d) deeply convinced of the righteousness of her positions

She is much much worse than "crazy". She is a very clever religious zealot with political savvy and a populist bent. I would be a lot less scared of her if she were indeed a loon.

Similar to the way Anders Breivik is not crazy. Your 1 through 4 apply to him, except you'd have to change #3 to "fanatically anti- one religion and pro- another one."

229 shutdown  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:03:09pm

re: #224 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh! Hiya Toots!

Allow me to introduce the LGF community to the only person here who can get away with calling rein "Toots".
lol

230 ArchangelMichael  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:03:24pm

re: #204 imp_62

She is much much worse than "crazy". She is a very clever religious zealot with political savvy and a populist bent. I would be a lot less scared of her if she were indeed a loon.

Nothing worse than a monster who thinks she's right with God.

231 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:04:06pm

Night 4

London is mostly quiet, there are 16,000 police on the streets or ready to be deployed across town.

Birmingham, Manchester and Nottingham are suffering badly though. I don't have many contacts in those cities, so all i know is what the bbc are showing.

232 jvic  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:04:23pm

re: #207 makeitstop

re: #197 Killgore Trout

Law from 2006 gives SEC scope to probe S&P

Oh, it's on.

(Do you really think they'd do it?)

Some Senator was talking about hauling S&P in before Congress.

Hey, let's appoint a special prosecutor and drag the thing out for five years or so. That will restore confidence! /

After the housing fiasco I expected the Asians and Europeans to create their own rating agencies. The process hasn't gone as fast as I expected even though China has made a start. If the Senate and SEC proceed with investigations of S&P, it might well help the process along. What is it about the term "independent review" that they do not understand?

(Iirc I recently posted that Warren Buffett has flatly rejected the S&P's downgrade.)

233 shutdown  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:04:51pm

re: #226 Charles

Couldn't agree more. Is that in Lion? The other day it insisted on substituting "Pat Methane" for "Pat Metheny." If you don't always watch the screen when you type, the autocorrect can be a real pain in the nethers.

To turn off Safari's autocorrect in Lion, you have to be inside an editable text area, then go to the Edit menu and turn off Edit->Spelling and Grammar->Correct Spelling Automatically.

You have to do the same thing to turn it off in Mail.

Thanks - I just upgraded to Lion and am still working out the quirks. On balance, i am pleased with the OS, though. One sore point is that Chrome wil not respond to the new finger swipes - gene, Safari until a fix is available.

234 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:04:59pm

re: #224 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh! Hiya Toots!

Hey, FBV!

235 laZardo  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:05:02pm
236 shutdown  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:06:03pm

re: #233 imp_62

Thanks - I just upgraded to Lion and am still working out the quirks. On balance, i am pleased with the OS, though. One sore point is that Chrome wil not respond to the new finger swipes - gene, Safari until a fix is available.

hence, not "gene". Sheesh.

237 Digital Display  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:06:37pm

Well seeing Bill Simmons on PTI was a major disappointment today..
He doesn't do TV well...He is a brilliant writer and blogger..Crap I hang on every word he writes about Basketball..He doesn't do TV well at all..Hell I could do a better job...Sorry Bill..That was a zombie performance..Dude!

238 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:06:42pm

re: #229 imp_62

(I asked her permission; long before you were hatched.)

heh

239 shutdown  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:07:07pm

Well, fun as this is, I must toddle off to the in-laws for a bit. BBL.

240 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:08:05pm

re: #235 laZardo

This is why I have no hope for humanity.

Fruit isn't all that nutritious. Ice cream isn't all that un-nutritious (it's a lot like yogurt.) Humanity will survive.

241 Kragar  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:08:50pm

re: #240 wrenchwench

Fruit isn't all that nutritious. Ice cream isn't all that un-nutritious (it's a lot like yogurt.) Humanity will survive.

As long as we get plenty of CO2 anyways.

242 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:08:59pm

re: #221 Sergey Romanov

Angry person, finally doing something about it, done goofed.

243 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:09:09pm

re: #237 HoosierHoops

Ever watch a comedian being interviewed where the schtick isn't set up? They are terrible interviewees. It's a train wreck.

Comedy, like writing, takes time to practice and set up.

244 shutdown  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:09:16pm

re: #240 wrenchwench

Fruit isn't all that nutritious. Ice cream isn't all that un-nutritious (it's a lot like yogurt.) Humanity will survive.

Speaking of which, i had a most delicious milkshake at Ben and Jerry's: made with Bonnaroo Buzz. Great source of calcium and vitamins A&D.

245 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:09:46pm

re: #231 wozzablog

Night 4

London is mostly quiet, there are 16,000 police on the streets or ready to be deployed across town.

Birmingham, Manchester and Nottingham are suffering badly though. I don't have many contacts in those cities, so all i know is what the bbc are showing.

I'm listening to Phantom Radio out of Dublin, and caught the end of a report that a police station (somewhere, missed that part) had been firebombed. Did you hear anything about that?

246 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:09:51pm

re: #243 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The funniest Marx Brother was Zeppo-- but not on screen. Everyone agrees he was the wittiest, the most hilarious at parties, off-screen.

247 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:10:27pm

re: #226 Charles

Couldn't agree more. Is that in Lion? The other day it insisted on substituting "Pat Methane" for "Pat Metheny." If you don't always watch the screen when you type, the autocorrect can be a real pain in the nethers.

To turn off Safari's autocorrect in Lion, you have to be inside an editable text area, then go to the Edit menu and turn off Edit->Spelling and Grammar->Correct Spelling Automatically.

You have to do the same thing to turn it off in Mail.

Lion also hides the ~/user/library folder, which makes restoring individual subfolders in Time Machine Backups impossible. Recommend unhiding it.

248 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:10:30pm

re: #242 Slumbering Behemoth

Angry person, finally doing something about it, done goofed.

There are so many cameras in and around London that there are going to be scores of arrests. The bad actors would suffer under my judgment, that's for damn sure.

249 darthstar  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:12:02pm

re: #220 reine.de.tout

What did I tell you earlier? It'd be hard as heck to get a photo of her where she DIDN'T look weird.

Yep...

250 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:12:13pm

re: #242 Slumbering Behemoth

Angry person, finally doing something about it, done goofed.

ololo

That reminds me of this classic from the Russian riots in Estonia in 2007:

Image: Povar-zhenya.jpg

251 laZardo  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:13:02pm

re: #250 Sergey Romanov

"ALL I WANTED WAS A PEPSI BUT THEY ONLY HAD SPRITE"

252 darthstar  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:13:51pm

re: #250 Sergey Romanov

ololo

That reminds me of this classic from the Russian riots in Estonia in 2007:

Image: Povar-zhenya.jpg

Wow, he got a sprite, two big-hunks, and a box of tampons.

253 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:14:03pm

re: #250 Sergey Romanov

Looks like a hamster ;)

254 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:14:11pm

re: #248 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Half of them are stupid assholes, burning down their own neighborhoods, the other half are just opportunistic thieves.

255 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:14:30pm

re: #221 Sergey Romanov

Some people at DKos are moonbats! (You don't say?! ///)

Only some though.

I noticed the same type of crap on reddit this morning too.
Freedom fighters!
/

256 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:14:35pm

re: #252 darthstar

Wow, he got a sprite, two big-hunks, and a box of tampons.

BIG SUCCESS!!!
/

257 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:16:28pm

re: #244 imp_62

Speaking of which, i had a most delicious milkshake at Ben and Jerry's: made with Bonnaroo Buzz. Great source of calcium and vitamins A&D.

Absolutely.

Nutritional value of fruit is overrated, IMO. I can't eat most fruit, there's something about fruit that will upset my stomach for days, so as a result - I don't eat fruit or drink fruit juices.

And I'm just fine.

258 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:17:40pm

re: #255 Killgore Trout

Freedumb Fighters!

Stupid assholes.

259 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:17:59pm
260 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:22:57pm

re: #226 Charles

Yet another reason to stick to Chrome.

Lion, so far, has been a major "meh" upgrade and really not worth the cost.

261 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:23:28pm
262 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:25:10pm

When I was a kid, my mom would send me down to the Five 'n Dime with a dollar, and I'd come back with a gallon of milk, a pound of butter, two sacks of flour, two dozen eggs, a sack of sugar, a whole chicken, and a side of bacon.

Can't do that these days.

To many gawt-damned security cameras every where.

263 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:27:31pm

re: #245 makeitstop

I'm listening to Phantom Radio out of Dublin, and caught the end of a report that a police station (somewhere, missed that part) had been firebombed. Did you hear anything about that?

Nottingham.
Don't know anything other than that young people did it.

First major attack on a state institution. 4 nights of rioting and one major attack on a state building.
Goes to prove the bullshit argument that its a societal movement.

264 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:27:44pm

re: #245 makeitstop

Heard about it on TVTropes.

In Nottingham.

265 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:29:52pm

re: #263 wozzablog

Nottingham.
Don't know anything other than that young people did it.

First major attack on a state institution. 4 nights of rioting and one major attack on a state building.
Goes to prove the bullshit argument that its a societal movement.

That sucks.

Thanks for filling me in. Hopefully, the thugs will just punch themselves out before long and go home.

266 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:32:15pm

Hey! Here's a joke that I've been making for months!


210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian8/04/2011 4:35:26 pm PDT

By the way... those of us who've very little savings and have squandered every penny we've made are feeling kind of smug today.

Yay, me!

268 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:33:49pm

I knew Debbie Schlussel would see what I wrote earlier, and sure enough she's ranting about me. I'm a "crackpot turncoat," which does have a certain ring to it.

269 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:34:57pm

I really love this song.

270 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:35:08pm
271 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:35:13pm

re: #268 Charles

Coming from a Fucking Fascist that's a compliment.

272 Kragar  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:35:45pm

re: #268 Charles

I knew Debbie Schlussel would see what I wrote earlier, and sure enough she's ranting about me. I'm a "crackpot turncoat," which does have a certain ring to it.

She lost the right to voice an opinion when she claimed shooting kids could be justified.

273 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:37:02pm

re: #272 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

She lost the right to voice an opinion when she claimed shooting kids could be justified.

Oh, it was a while before that.

274 Kragar  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:40:51pm

re: #273 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, it was a while before that.

I stopped listening to her crowing a while ago. Once she made her Norway remarks, she went from crazy ranter I could ignore to psycho who should be locked away from decent people.

275 darthstar  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:41:11pm

re: #268 Charles

I knew Debbie Schlussel would see what I wrote earlier, and sure enough she's ranting about me. I'm a "crackpot turncoat," which does have a certain ring to it.

That's not true, Charles...you're no turncoat.

276 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:41:33pm

re: #270 Varek Raith

RNC Chair: GOP’s Historic Unpopularity Shows Americans Are Upset With Obama

He can't possibly be serious.
Wait..

Yeah it's all Obama's fault. Clown can't be serious. People are pissed off with the GOP because there's been a complete lack of willingness to compromise at all by them but ehy it's all Obama's fault that they're stubborn mules.

277 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:42:10pm

re: #275 darthstar

That's not true, Charles...you're no turncoat.

A crackcoat turnpot?

278 darthstar  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:44:15pm

re: #277 wrenchwench

A crackcoat turnpot?

Oh, I try to reassure Charles and you have to make a joke of it...well done, wrenchy...I'll bet you hurt his feelings.

279 Kragar  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:44:56pm

Congress Passes First Law In U.S. History That Doesn't Somehow Kill Tens Of Thousands Of Ducks


The United States Congress passed a law late Wednesday that for the first time in its 222-year history did not result in the sudden and unexpected deaths of thousands of ducks.

The law, designed to track suspicious interstate financial transactions, passed with an overwhelming majority in both houses and did not cause the usual hail of dead ducks to fall from the sky.

280 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:45:19pm

re: #278 darthstar

Oh, I try to reassure Charles and you have to make a joke of it...well done, wrenchy...I'll bet you hurt his feelings.

Suck up!
/

281 darthstar  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:46:43pm

re: #280 Varek Raith

Suck up!
/

I prefer "ass-kissing sycophant" but suck up will do.

282 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:46:48pm

Has this been posted? Welfare/raccoons/whatever.
/
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

283 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:47:33pm

re: #275 darthstar

That's not true, Charles...you're no turncoat.

I see what you did there.

284 darthstar  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:49:39pm

re: #283 Charles

I see what you did there.

I'm only trying to help. ;)

Okay...I've had some long days at work lately...time to head off to the PAC and swim some laps...here's my wife in the pool on Sunday back-stroking away...now that she completed her first triathlon she's got me swimming too...it's amazing how much that works the muscles in your body.

285 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:51:35pm

re: #284 darthstar

I'm only trying to help. ;)

Okay...I've had some long days at work lately...time to head off to the PAC and swim some laps...here's my wife in the pool on Sunday back-stroking away...now that she completed her first triathlon she's got me swimming too...it's amazing how much that works the muscles in your body.

Don't forget to put on your floaties!
/

286 CuriousLurker  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:51:47pm

OT - Not sure what to make of this. The JP sounds annoyed. SFZ, anyone?

Joe Lieberman releases book about beauty of Shabbat
Senator hopes to appeal to Christians to come back to observance of Shabbat on Sundays, saying "Laws have this way of setting us free.”

WASHINGTON - Call Joe Lieberman the unlikely evangelical.

The Independent senator from Connecticut - and the best-known Orthodox Jew in American politics - is probably more cognizant than most of his Jewish congressional colleagues about rabbinical interdictions against encouraging non-Jews to mimic Jewish ritual.

Yet here he is, about to release a book advising Christians and others not to drive to church, to welcome their Shabbat in the evening, to cut off the wired world and to, umm, enjoy your significant other.

Upon meeting with Lieberman in his Senate offices last week, before the Aug. 16 release date of his new book, “The Gift of Rest: Rediscovering the Beauty of the Sabbath,” he laughed at the term evangelical. But he also embraced it.

“In a way it is” evangelical, he said.

Not that he wanted to convert anyone, Lieberman emphasized.

[...]

More at the Jerusalem Post...

287 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:54:55pm

re: #285 Varek Raith

Don't forget to put on your floaties!
/

He doesn't put them on as much as he leaves them in the pool. Wait, What?
/

288 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:56:33pm

re: #286 CuriousLurker

OT - Not sure what to make of this. The JP sounds annoyed. SFZ, anyone?

Well, I'm annoyed, on a couple of levels.

289 Kragar  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:56:36pm

re: #287 Cannadian Club Akbar

He doesn't put them on as much as he leaves them in the pool. Wait, What?
/

290 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:56:44pm

re: #286 CuriousLurker

The link is screwy, it's 2 URLs melded together; just erase the first part up to the second "www", and it will work.

As to Lieberman - it looks to me like he's advocating observance of a more restful day of rest. That could actually be a good thing for anybody, IMO.

291 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:57:02pm

re: #288 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, I'm annoyed, on a couple of levels.

What's got you annoyed about it?

292 CuriousLurker  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:57:58pm

re: #290 reine.de.tout

The link is screwy, it's 2 URLs melded together; just erase the first part up to the second "www", and it will work.

As to Lieberman - it looks to me like he's advocating observance of a more restful day of rest. That could actually be a good thing for anybody, IMO.

Thanks, that happens every once in a while. Here's the correct link:


[Link: www.jpost.com...]

293 CuriousLurker  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 3:59:49pm

re: #288 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, I'm annoyed, on a couple of levels.

I think I know why, but I don't want to put words in your mouth as I'm not sure I fully understand the annoyance. I'm really interested to know.

294 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:00:06pm

Idiots rioting in Manchester, I hear.

295 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:00:12pm

Good even, all. Yesterday I delivered a 10 millimeter stone. We call it MFKS for short. I had planned to liveblog from our state-of -the-art convenience store and emergency hospital, but I got distracted. Most orifices have stopped bleeding, and I've stepped down to what my daughter calls 'POOPCON 2'. Wife spent her day harassing the staff with her retired RN routine. We pretend that I didn't know what she was doing, ticking off the people who had My Precious in the grip of their Engrabulators. If the drugs keep working I'll be a little incoherent tonight. If the stop, I'll be very incoherent. So, What have I missed since Thurs?

296 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:01:48pm

re: #295 Decatur Deb

Good even, all. Yesterday I delivered a 10 millimeter stone. We call it MFKS for short. I had planned to liveblog from our state-of -the-art convenience store and emergency hospital, but I got distracted. Most orifices have stopped bleeding, and I've stepped down to what my daughter calls 'POOPCON 2'. Wife spent her day harassing the staff with her retired RN routine. We pretend that I didn't know what she was doing, ticking off the people who had My Precious in the grip of their Engrabulators. If the drugs keep working I'll be a little incoherent tonight. If the stop, I'll be very incoherent. So, What have I missed since Thurs?

What's its name?

297 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:02:06pm

re: #293 CuriousLurker

If I had to guess, I would say that it's a non-characteristic preaching to the Christians coupled with the fact that such a divisive figure as Joe preaches a religious message (i.e. everybody could do without it). We'll see if I got it right ;)

298 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:02:19pm

re: #295 Decatur Deb

Good even, all. Yesterday I delivered a 10 millimeter stone. We call it MFKS for short. I had planned to liveblog from our state-of -the-art convenience store and emergency hospital, but I got distracted. Most orifices have stopped bleeding, and I've stepped down to what my daughter calls 'POOPCON 2'. Wife spent her day harassing the staff with her retired RN routine. We pretend that I didn't know what she was doing, ticking off the people who had My Precious in the grip of their Engrabulators. If the drugs keep working I'll be a little incoherent tonight. If the stop, I'll be very incoherent. So, What have I missed since Thurs?

Oh, my glad you're back!

Since Thursday?
People argued, some got mad and tuned out for a bit, can't remember if we had a pun thread or a boob thread, if we did I was not here.

299 CuriousLurker  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:02:38pm

Yikes! O_o

Glad you're okay. Well, I guess you don't feel very okay, but you know what I mean.

300 lostlakehiker  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:02:39pm

According to NBC Nightly News, the photo was obtained under false premises. Bachmann was told that that shot was to test the lighting.

Does anything go?

301 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:03:17pm

Well, I wanted to see what SFZ was annoyed about.
But I'll have to check it later.

302 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:03:41pm

re: #299 CuriousLurker

Yikes! O_o

Glad you're okay. Well, I guess you don't feel very okay, but you know what I mean.

Drugs make everything better!
/

303 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:04:21pm

re: #300 lostlakehiker

According to NBC Nightly News, the photo was obtained under false premises. Bachmann was told that that shot was to test the lighting.

Does anything go?

Sounds like a dodge to me. Call me a cynic.

304 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:05:10pm

re: #296 Varek Raith

My Fre: #300 lostlakehiker

According to NBC Nightly News, the photo was obtained under false premises. Bachmann was told that that shot was to test the lighting.

Does anything go?

inest Kidney Stone.

Rep Bachmann's peeps put up a stink--bad move that gave Newsweek the chance to publish the out-takes.

[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

305 CuriousLurker  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:05:23pm

re: #297 Sergey Romanov

If I had to guess, I would say that it's a non-characteristic preaching to the Christians coupled with the fact that such a divisive figure as Joe preaches a religious message (i.e. everybody could do without it). We'll see if I got it right ;)

I had pretty much the same thought. It kinda seems like pandering to the Christian right, especially the....can't remember what they call them, the pseudo pro-Zionist ones that are really only interested in the end times stuff.

306 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:06:09pm

re: #295 Decatur Deb

{{Decatur Deb}}

Ow.

307 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:06:34pm

re: #296 Varek Raith

What's its name?

PIMF: My Finest Kidney Stone. (There's that incoherence thing.)

308 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:07:01pm

re: #303 makeitstop

Sounds like a dodge to me. Call me a cynic.

If it was to 'test the lighting,' that would assume there would be other shots from that session.

The out-takes show none. It's a dodge.

309 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:07:17pm

re: #307 Decatur Deb

PIMF: My Finest Kidney Stone. (There's that incoherence thing.)

I can't even imagine what that was like.
:/

310 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:08:07pm

re: #290 reine.de.tout

The link is screwy, it's 2 URLs melded together; just erase the first part up to the second "www", and it will work.

As to Lieberman - it looks to me like he's advocating observance of a more restful day of rest. That could actually be a good thing for anybody, IMO.

It's a fine idea, in and of itself. The issues I have:

First, there are many, many, many books on the beauty of Shabbat. What seems to distinguish this one is a. It was written by Joe Lieberman, and b. it's aimed at Christians.

Christians can make up their own minds about how their Sabbath is to be observed. Some groups, IIRC, do in fact not drive on Sundays, etc. However, from a Jewish perspective this is entirely their call. We're commanded. They can do what they believe best in their own belief structure. I can't interpret the Bible for a Christian, and neither can Joe.

And as the article mentions, there are some real issues within the tradition about encouraging Gentiles to adopt Jewish customs.

It's not a horrible thing to do, it's just somewhat pretentious. He's far from the first guy, or even the three-hundredth guy, to have this idea for a book.

311 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:11:22pm

re: #309 Varek Raith

I can't even imagine what that was like.
:/

Now that I've said that, my mind is trying to imagine it.
Stupid brain!

312 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:11:23pm

re: #310 SanFranciscoZionist

If he wants to promote something, wouldn't the Noahide laws be the most natural goal?

313 CuriousLurker  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:11:38pm

re: #310 SanFranciscoZionist

Thanks for the explanation.

314 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:12:37pm

re: #310 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, as CL said, it does seem like pandering to the religious right. Doesn't seem quite right to me.

315 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:13:50pm

re: #310 SanFranciscoZionist

It's a fine idea, in and of itself. The issues I have:

First, there are many, many, many books on the beauty of Shabbat. What seems to distinguish this one is a. It was written by Joe Lieberman, and b. it's aimed at Christians.

Christians can make up their own minds about how their Sabbath is to be observed. Some groups, IIRC, do in fact not drive on Sundays, etc. However, from a Jewish perspective this is entirely their call. We're commanded. They can do what they believe best in their own belief structure. I can't interpret the Bible for a Christian, and neither can Joe.

And as the article mentions, there are some real issues within the tradition about encouraging Gentiles to adopt Jewish customs.

It's not a horrible thing to do, it's just somewhat pretentious. He's far from the first guy, or even the three-hundredth guy, to have this idea for a book.

Ah. I did not know there were problems with encouraging Gentiles to adopt Jewish customs.

The thing is, if I did observe a more restful day of rest, I would do it within my own tradition anyhow, or by my own decision, not that of Joe's. It may or may not match Joe's observance.

But I see why you're annoyed.

316 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:14:30pm

re: #312 Sergey Romanov

If he wants to promote something, wouldn't the Noahide laws be the most natural goal?

That or sensible debt reduction...

317 lostlakehiker  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:14:44pm

re: #267 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

On Bachmann's list of 'must read' books; 'Blacks were better off under slavery'


Slaving at the Africa end of the trade worked like this: first you have a war. The winner gets POW's, and finds he can resell them at the coast for a handy sum.

The newly minted slave is about as bad-off as it gets. But if his destination is Virginia, rather than Brazil or one of the sugar islands, his life expectancy goes up and the chances of his children, should he live and find a mate, gp up a lot. So, when he steps off the boat, he's better off than when he was first taken.

There. Better off.

///

But it was a long time coming, that payoff of freedom. It came in steps, with formal liberation, then the demise of Jim Crow across most of the U.S. as white culture discarded the practice, then the demise of Jim Crow in the military and then, as a result of court rulings and legislation, in the South. Things aren't perfect even now but the grand net result for the great-great-great-great-great-great grandchildren of that original slave has been a true case of making lemonade when dealt lemons.

318 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:14:54pm

re: #316 Decatur Deb

That or sensible debt reduction...

LOL

319 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:15:36pm

re: #312 Sergey Romanov

If he wants to promote something, wouldn't the Noahide laws be the most natural goal?

Well, I'd say most American Christians have all of those down reasonably well, (come on, when's the last time that you saw an American Christian eating meat torn from a living animal?)

And many Christians identify as following those.

320 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:16:03pm

re: #137 HoosierHoops

Oh.. And good Afternoon Lizards...Forgot my intro...It's too hot to go outside...
If you choke a smurf.. What color does it turn into?

The same colour you get when you choke the chicken.

321 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:17:40pm

re: #315 reine.de.tout

Ah. I did not know there were problems with encouraging Gentiles to adopt Jewish customs.

The thing is, if I did observe a more restful day of rest, I would do it within my own tradition anyhow, or by my own decision, not that of Joe's. It may or may not match Joe's observance.

But I see why you're annoyed.

It's not going to turn me against Joe Lieberman for life, there's just a slight sense of 'What is this in the interest of? Really?'

Maybe a Shabbat-themed memoir--address different themes, and talk about how being shomer shabbos (keeping the Sabbath) has been a challenge and a blessing in the course of his career). That would be great.

Also, the JPost may not give a perfect account of the book.

322 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:19:11pm

re: #319 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, I'd say most American Christians have all of those down reasonably well, (come on, when's the last time that you saw an American Christian eating meat torn from a living animal?)

And many Christians identify as following those.

Depends on the target audience I guess. If those are fundies - it's pretty redundant. Less/differently observant Christians, non-religious people, etc.? The laws against sexual immorality, idolatry etc. may as well be preached.

323 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:23:17pm

re: #322 Sergey Romanov

Depends on the target audience I guess. If those are fundies - it's pretty redundant. Less/differently observant Christians, non-religious people, etc.? The laws against sexual immorality, idolatry etc. may as well be preached.

But seriously, people are going to become more sexually moral on the word of Senator Joe Lieberman, when their own churches couldn't reel 'em in to it?

Whereas Shabbat is eminently salable as an extra bell and/or whistle to observant Christians, and appealing to secular people who want a means to center themselves or distance themselves from the manic quality of modern life.

324 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:23:59pm

re: #323 SanFranciscoZionist

Good point.

325 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:27:19pm

re: #323 SanFranciscoZionist

But seriously, people are going to become more sexually moral on the word of Senator Joe Lieberman, when their own churches couldn't reel 'em in to it?

Whereas Shabbat is eminently salable as an extra bell and/or whistle to observant Christians, and appealing to secular people who want a means to center themselves or distance themselves from the manic quality of modern life.

Now, SFZ, here's a question for you.

A friend of mine lost her son in May in an accident, recent college graduate, had his first "real" job, and he was killed in a freak auto accident where there were no other injuries.

Anyhow, I know she's been struggling mightily with that loss. Here is the book I sent her. That is the book I send to any of my friends dealing with a loss such as that one - not a parent, of course, you expect a parent to die before you at some point, but the loss of a young person - that is the book I send them. It's just the best there is, IMO.

Am I doing something wrong by sending it to my non-Jewish friends?

326 lostlakehiker  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:48:42pm

re: #325 reine.de.tout

Now, SFZ, here's a question for you.

A friend of mine lost her son in May in an accident, recent college graduate, had his first "real" job, and he was killed in a freak auto accident where there were no other injuries.

Anyhow, I know she's been struggling mightily with that loss. Here is the book I sent her. That is the book I send to any of my friends dealing with a loss such as that one - not a parent, of course, you expect a parent to die before you at some point, but the loss of a young person - that is the book I send them. It's just the best there is, IMO.

Am I doing something wrong by sending it to my non-Jewish friends?

Not in the least. Jewish thinking about the laws of right and wrong is to some extent universally applicable. The series of books, starting with "Friday the rabbi slept late", is popular among a wider circle than Jewish readers, and popular partly because it gets into ethical dilemmas and illuminates them from a perspective not everybody is already familiar with.

The theological side of things is difficult, but my take is that the rain falls on the just and the unjust alike. Free will simply could not exist if the dice of life were visibly stacked against the unobservant, or even against the outright bad.

The evildoer normally comes to a bad end, but for reasons that arise out of the nature of their crimes and the consequences that tend to flow out of them. This is different from just getting hit by lightning out of a clear blue sky.

But if there is to be free will, then natural hazards must from time to time strike down a good person, quite at random. What did the people of Fukushima do? Well, they built too close to the beach, I suppose. But in a crowded nation, and with the risk remote, that's maybe a rational bet. And for a child, it's just pure bad luck.

327 lostlakehiker  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:49:42pm

re: #308 makeitstop

If it was to 'test the lighting,' that would assume there would be other shots from that session.

The out-takes show none. It's a dodge.

NBC News is my source. They're not Fox.

328 austin_blue  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:58:19pm

re: #5 blueraven

OT: Wow, wild day on the market

Dow closes up 429.99

I am a prophet!

Evening, all.

329 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 4:59:23pm

re: #325 reine.de.tout

Now, SFZ, here's a question for you.

A friend of mine lost her son in May in an accident, recent college graduate, had his first "real" job, and he was killed in a freak auto accident where there were no other injuries.

Anyhow, I know she's been struggling mightily with that loss. Here is the book I sent her. That is the book I send to any of my friends dealing with a loss such as that one - not a parent, of course, you expect a parent to die before you at some point, but the loss of a young person - that is the book I send them. It's just the best there is, IMO.

Am I doing something wrong by sending it to my non-Jewish friends?

Oh, heck, no. Kushner's book is about a universal experience, and it's widely considered to be a classic work that's read and recommended by people from all faiths.

When we say that Jews don't encourage Gentiles to adopt Jewish practices, that doesn't mean it's a secret faith like the Druze have, or that rabbis aren't supposed to write books about the problem of evil that can be read and understood by everyone. It's not even that you shouldn't have an interfaith Seder. It's fairly specifically about proselytizing, or encouraging people to take up things that Jews are specifically commanded to do.

And it's complicated, and I don't explain it all that well.

But Harold Kushner is solid.

And I apologize if I don't explain it all that well.

330 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:03:04pm

re: #327 lostlakehiker

NBC News is my source. They're not Fox.

National Review did quite a flattering heroic cover image, but oddly they went with a drawing:

Image: bachmann.jpg

331 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:05:15pm

re: #327 lostlakehiker

NBC News is my source. They're not Fox.

I'm not impugning NBC. It sounds like a too-little too-late justification from the Bachmann camp.

332 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:07:20pm

re: #330 Decatur Deb

National Review did quite a flattering heroic cover image, but oddly they went with a drawing:

Image: bachmann.jpg

It was the only way to get the eyes to look uncrazy.

Is she wearing a Native American necklace while pictured in front of white guys dressed as Native Americans? Odd choice.

333 Atlas Fails  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:33:13pm

re: #216 simoom

Because Jesus hates him, of course.

334 Mark Winter  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:47:18pm

Stepford Wife on evangelical steroids

335 efuseakay  Tue, Aug 9, 2011 9:12:29pm

I can't wait for Harpy's "heat analysis" to prove once and for all that these photos of her are forgeries.

336 Lanaty  Wed, Aug 10, 2011 4:03:28pm

Wait. The picture is sexist, but her claim that wives ought to be submissive to their husbands isn't?

"Bachmann has said that her husband directed her to study tax law, and she obliged because “the Lord says: be submissive, wives; you are to be submissive to your husbands.” Asked about her choice of words, she explains, “That means that I respect my husband, and he respects me.” But in a Bachmann White House, she adds, “I would be the decision maker.”"


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Why Did More Than 1,000 People Die After Police Subdued Them With Force That Isn’t Meant to Kill? An investigation led by The Associated Press has found that, over a decade, more than 1,000 people died after police subdued them through physical holds, stun guns, body blows and other force not intended to be lethal. More: Why ...
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A Closer Look at the Eastman State Bar DecisionTaking a few minutes away from work things to read through the Eastman decision. As I'm sure many of you know, Eastman was my law school con law professor. I knew him pretty well because I was also running in ...
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