GOP Debate, Iowa Edition, Thread 3
Huntsman: ‘The EPA’s regulatory reign of terror’
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Here’s another thread for the GOP’s Iowa debate, since the previous thread is filling up fast…
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:45:12pm |
My feed of the debate keeps starting and stopping. I'm still back on Romney with the unemployment debating.
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SpaceJesus Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:45:15pm |
Ok, I really want Ron Paul to win the nomination. Before it was just a joke, but now, yeah. Go you crazy lunatic go.
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recusancy Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:45:34pm |
I was worried about Romney before today. Not any more. Obama will pick him to pieces.
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Alexzander Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:45:34pm |
Thanks for the new thread. My computer nearly stops around 500 posts.
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Mocking Jay Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:46:02pm |
Oh for fuck's sake. Increase demand to add jobs. It's really important you buffoons start getting that.
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Gus Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:46:11pm |
They move on past the EPA?
What are the Republicans proposing to halt this time?
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freetoken Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:46:25pm |
"Country", Hermain, is the word you wanted, not "company".
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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:47:03pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:47:20pm |
re: #4 SpaceJesus
Ok, I really want Ron Paul to win the nomination. Before it was just a joke, but now, yeah. Go you crazy lunatic go.
File it under 'not going to happen'.
Now they're on to the Fed. Ron Paul is about to go loony and let his freak flag fly.
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recusancy Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:47:20pm |
re: #8 Gus 802
They move on past the EPA?
What are the Republicans proposing to halt this time?
Newt wants to strip the FED of basically all powers. He wants to audit it.
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jaunte Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:47:28pm |
JeffSharlet
Huntsman: EPA responsible for "reign of terror." So can we bomb them? #GOPDebate
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:48:09pm |
re: #4 SpaceJesus
A Paul/Bachmann administration would create a billion jobs over night, all over the world.
All of them in the fields of comedy/satire.
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Mocking Jay Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:48:19pm |
I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. It's almost over.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:48:32pm |
re: #18 Slumbering Behemoth
A Paul/Bachmann administration would create a billion jobs over night, all over the world.
All of them in the fields of comedy/satire.
Well i have been on record of wanting to work for the Onion, yes.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:48:59pm |
Admittedly I've had a few pops, but I think I just heard Santorum say Iran "tramples the rights of gays", and even made it sound like a bad thing ... reading the Sierra Nevada label now to see if hallucinations are a possible side effect.
A reader from Andrew Sullivan' blog
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SpaceJesus Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:49:12pm |
re: #12 Dark_Falcon
I know. I'm going to start campaigning for him though
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:49:14pm |
re: #19 JasonA
I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. It's almost over.
GET OFF THE TRACKS! THAT'S AN ONCOMING TRAIN!!
/
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:49:54pm |
Oh joy, goldbuggery. This should be fun.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:50:15pm |
re: #22 SpaceJesus
I know. I'm going to start campaigning for him though
You must have a love of futility, SJ.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:50:21pm |
re: #20 HappyWarrior
Well i have been on record of wanting to work for the Onion, yes.
If there were a Paul/Bachmann admin., you wouldn't even need to write hyperbole or jokes.
Just write the shit they say verbatim.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:50:29pm |
I hope the President is watching. After the week he's had, he could use a good laugh. If he's watching he's had many.
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jaunte Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:50:29pm |
Santorum gets off a blind squirrel joke against Ron Paul.
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Gus Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:50:39pm |
Damn. What a strange debate and what a strange collection of ideas. Didn't hear one thing about creating jobs and how to become competitive with China.
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Kragar Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:50:55pm |
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Gus Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:51:09pm |
re: #30 jaunte
Santorum gets off a blind squirrel joke against Ron Paul.
He pitches. Fast ball! Strike one.
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What, me worry? Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:51:19pm |
Audit the Fed!
That kinda sounds like auto de fe!
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:51:24pm |
re: #31 Gus 802
Damn. What a strange debate and what a strange collection of ideas. Didn't hear one thing about creating jobs and how to become competitive with China.
Well Gus they probably think cutting education is an excellent idea because that's such a great idea!
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Idle Drifter Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:51:27pm |
There's not enough gold in the world to back our economy alone.
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wee fury Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:51:33pm |
Closing statements coming up.
Cannot believe the fun is almost over.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:51:47pm |
re: #25 Shiplord Kirel
Oh joy, goldbuggery. This should be fun.
OH NOES! THE GOLD COMPANIES ARE INFECTED BY TEH GEY!!111
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recusancy Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:52:28pm |
Well, they better hope Perry gets in now. He's their only chance.
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SpaceJesus Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:52:35pm |
re: #26 Dark_Falcon
I'm not sure I drink enough kool-aid-flavored tea to pull off a convincing Ron Paul supporter though :(
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Idle Drifter Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:52:35pm |
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recusancy Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:53:02pm |
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Mocking Jay Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:53:05pm |
re: #43 Gus 802
but bring your own water...
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:53:06pm |
re: #35 jaunte
"Showmanship, not leadership."
Well, he's right on that point. But its sad that it takes Rick Santorum to call those two out. He's right to do so, though.
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TampaKnight Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:53:19pm |
I'm a center-right leaning guy. No doubt about it.
But count me as "disenfranchised". Just not holding out hope for any politicians.
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:53:28pm |
The guy who's breathing a sigh of relief is Obama.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:53:35pm |
I know. We'll put Zombie Alexander Hamilton in charge of the Fed.
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jhrhv Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:53:46pm |
Privatize burning down the forests and don't make them pay any tax that'll fix the economy. Once all the trees are out of the way we can dig for gold and oil.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:54:07pm |
Fox: Mitt wins by avoiding decisions/statements
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Mocking Jay Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:54:12pm |
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Gus Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:54:20pm |
re: #48 JasonA
but bring your own water...
I'm sure the coastal states would love that idea. Especially Florida. Think tourism. That would be the tip of the iceberg regarding anything approaching the end of the EPA. They're idiots.
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blueraven Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:54:36pm |
Cut taxes, Cut regulations, Ban the EPA, Audit the Fed, Criminalize abortions and gay marriage.
There...easy, country fixed!
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jaunte Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:54:43pm |
Zero, nada, zilch, about a better-educated workforce.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:54:46pm |
re: #55 Killgore Trout
Fox: Mitt wins by avoiding decisions/statements
So Mitt won by shutting his mouth, leadership!
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zora Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:55:00pm |
does bachmann not understand the debt ceiling or is she just pandering?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:55:07pm |
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Gus Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:55:33pm |
re: #58 blueraven
Cut taxes, Cut regulations, Ban the EPA, Audit the Fed, Criminalize abortions and gay marriage.
There...easy, country fixed!
The usual crazy talk.
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Gus Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:55:42pm |
Face it America! The Republicans have nothing to offer. Nothing that we haven't seen before.
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Charleston Chew Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:55:45pm |
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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:55:54pm |
re: #51 Shiplord Kirel
The guy who's breathing a sigh of relief is Obama.
And Axelrod and Plouffe nearly pissed themselves laughing.
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recusancy Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:55:58pm |
I like Huntsman's conviction. Too bad he went off on the EPA.
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SpaceJesus Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:56:09pm |
So does this make Perry the great white hope?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:56:16pm |
re: #57 Gus 802
I'm sure the coastal states would love that idea. Especially Florida. Think tourism. That would be the tip of the iceberg regarding anything approaching the end of the EPA. They're idiots.
:Twenty years into this alternate future:
"Daddy, what's an iceberg"?
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Kragar Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:56:19pm |
re: #62 zora
does bachmann not understand
the debt ceiling or is she just panderinganything?
No, she does not
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TampaKnight Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:56:33pm |
I considered myself a Republican most my life. Still right leaning.
But as of now I'm definitely Independent.
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recusancy Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:56:46pm |
re: #73 freetoken
Huntsman: "I'm not a wingnut, vote for me".
He's the least wing nutty but he still went a little weird on the EPA
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:56:51pm |
re: #55 Killgore Trout
Fox: Mitt wins by avoiding decisions/statements
This sort of 'cattle-show' debate is not a time for the front-runner to be bold. He needs to stand there and look good and wait while the marginal candidates run out of steam.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:57:07pm |
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Idle Drifter Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:57:27pm |
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Mocking Jay Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:57:44pm |
A Uniter? Cain?
You don't know what unity means, do you?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:58:09pm |
re: #79 recusancy
He's the least wing nutty but he still went a little weird on the EPA
His family money is from a chemical company.
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wee fury Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:58:27pm |
Paul -- Liberty comes from our creator. And, he wants everything changed.
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Charleston Chew Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:58:57pm |
re: #85 JasonA
A Uniter? Cain?
You don't know what unity means, do you?
He's uniting many people. A few for him. A lot against him.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:59:07pm |
Yeah Herman you're going to unite the country by suggesting that some of us can't worship their religion freely. Stick the pizza business, dude, and the hell away from the government.
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recusancy Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:59:08pm |
re: #80 Dark_Falcon
This sort of 'cattle-show' debate is not a time for the front-runner to be bold. He needs to stand there and look good and wait while the marginal candidates run out of steam.
What he did say was all over the place.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:59:13pm |
re: #80 Dark_Falcon
This sort of 'cattle-show' debate is not a time for the front-runner to be bold. He needs to stand there and look good and wait while the marginal candidates run out of steam.
That didn't work out to well for Hillary. I'm just sayin'. Perry is coming and he ain't gonna play nice with Mittens.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:59:22pm |
re: #77 TampaKnight
I considered myself a Republican most my life. Still right leaning.
But as of now I'm definitely Independent.
I've got one last thing I to write-in on the next primary ballot, then I switch.
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zora Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:59:26pm |
romney: obama hasn't lived in the real economy and this is his first job, also.
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Charleston Chew Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:59:37pm |
What's the 'real job' that Romney has? Hair model?
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Gus Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:59:44pm |
Liberty comes from man. In what the government allows you to do. The Creator, if there were one, just stands around and watches.
//
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:00:10pm |
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:00:12pm |
re: #100 zora
romney: obama hasn't lived in the real economy and this is his first job, also.
Oh fuck him very much for that crap. Lemme guess Mitt community organizer blah blah. What have you done, Mitt?
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What, me worry? Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:00:21pm |
Oh dear Pawlenty is quoting Janis Joplin.
Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose :)
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recusancy Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:00:32pm |
re: #96 Killgore Trout
Has Mitt had a job?
Wallstreeter. He hasn't exactly 'lived in the real economy'. Obama hadn't paid off his student loans until just a few years ago. I'd say that's the real economy.
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TampaKnight Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:00:37pm |
re: #98 Slumbering Behemoth
I've got one last thing I to write-in on the next primary ballot, then I switch.
Political leaders as of late have gone to shit.
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Atlas Fails Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:00:50pm |
Bachmann doesn't seem to realize that it's the Ames REPUBLICAN straw poll. Also, Tim Pawlenty wants you to know he loves God and God loves 'Merica!
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:01:43pm |
May Cthulhu invite you to lunch, Pawlenty.
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wee fury Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:01:46pm |
Newt -- reminding everyone that election is 15 months away.
Oh, no . . . . we will be listening to this for another 15 months!!!
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Atlas Fails Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:01:58pm |
re: #107 marjoriemoon
Oh dear Pawlenty is quoting Janis Joplin.
Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose :)
Spider-Man, too.
"With great power comes great responsibility."
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:01:58pm |
re: #97 moderatelyradicalliberal
That didn't work out to well for Hillary. I'm just sayin'. Perry is coming and he ain't gonna play nice with Mittens.
Yeah, and Mitt needs to save himself for fighting Perry. He needs to avoid getting tied up with marginal candidates and prepare to figh his A-List opposition.
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Alexzander Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:02:02pm |
ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON PAAAAAAAUL!!! YEARGH!
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What, me worry? Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:02:28pm |
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Linden Arden Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:02:59pm |
Newt "repeal Dodd-Frank" - but that has the stupid "audit the Fed" clause in it that Ron Paul wanted. The one Newt says is not there.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:03:14pm |
re: #113 Shiplord Kirel
May Cthulhu invite you to lunch, Pawlenty.
Bite me, Kirel! Just fucking bite me!
/
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:03:26pm |
re: #110 recusancy
Wallstreeter. He hasn't exactly 'lived in the real economy'. Obama hadn't paid off his student loans until just a few years ago. I'd say that's the real economy.
Yeah but Mitt's a "real American." Seriously, I am sick of this crap that Obama hasn't had a real job. What has Mitt really done? From what I understand, he basically took over a company and all the employees eventually lost their jobs and his job rate growth in Massachusetts wasn't so good.
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engineer cat Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:03:27pm |
1. ryan medicare death plan
2. debt ceiling pissy fit
3. perry gets in and dominates nomination
how suicidal can the gop get?
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Idle Drifter Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:03:45pm |
re: #115 wee fury
Newt -- reminding everyone that election is 15 months away.
Oh, no . . . we will be listening to this for another 15 months!!!
I'm scared.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:04:04pm |
Huge Mistake, The Dems under Bush were a bunch of sourpuss motherfuckers. Only one candidate ran on a positive message: Obama. Not a single Republican candidate is willing to take a positive note, they have no chance.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:04:14pm |
re: #130 engineer dog
1. ryan medicare death plan
2. debt ceiling pissy fit
3. perry gets in and dominates nomination
how suicidal can the gop get?
They could put Santorum on the ticket, that'd be fun especially for the comedians out there.
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What, me worry? Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:04:20pm |
This was better than blogging the apocalypse.
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freetoken Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:04:29pm |
re: #79 recusancy
He's the least wing nutty but he still went a little weird on the EPA
Everybody needs to find their own enemy to fight.
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:04:47pm |
re: #119 austin_blue
What a cluster fuck of banality.
Yep, a robber baron who wants to abolish the EPA was the sanest one there.
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engineer cat Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:04:58pm |
if tim pawlenty mowed my lawn, the grass would fall asleep
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Charleston Chew Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:04:58pm |
Why does Pat Caddell always wear that disguise?
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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:05:09pm |
re: #133 Killgore Trout
Huge Mistake, The Dems under Bush were a bunch of sourpuss motherfuckers. Only one candidate ran on a positive message: Obama. Not a single Republican candidate is willing to take a positive note, they have no chance.
True. Positive and optimistic campaigns are winning campaigns.
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Kragar Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:05:09pm |
re: #112 Atlas Fails
Bachmann doesn't seem to realize that it's the Ames REPUBLICAN straw poll.
Plus, its Iowa...Iowa
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:05:28pm |
re: #110 recusancy
Wallstreeter. He hasn't exactly 'lived in the real economy'. Obama hadn't paid off his student loans until just a few years ago. I'd say that's the real economy.
Not hardly. Obama either worked with or for the government. He has very little experience with business or finance. Romney does.
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TampaKnight Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:05:57pm |
Not much attention paid to my boys fighting in Afghanistan. Sad.
I know the economy is down, but our soldiers get up every day not giving a fuck. They live or die by how they carry out their missions.
Apparently Iran is a bigger topic than where we actually have US toops.
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prairiefire Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:06:06pm |
re: #144 Dark_Falcon
Obama worked with the Constitution.
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recusancy Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:06:14pm |
re: #144 Dark_Falcon
Not hardly. Obama either worked with or for the government. He has very little experience with business or finance. Romney does.
He was a government lawyer? He was a government teacher?
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freetoken Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:06:18pm |
The freshly picked figs I had for dinner tonight were delicious.
The Republican "debate"... was not so sweet.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:06:35pm |
Fox news commentators are shitting all over the candidates. They won't be invited back
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Charleston Chew Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:06:52pm |
re: #144 Dark_Falcon
Not hardly. Obama either worked with or for the government. He has very little experience with business or finance. Romney does.
Working for the government is not a real job? Surely there's a few folks in Afghanistan that would disagree.
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sod Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:06:54pm |
I'm not voting for Obama but I'm not sure I want to vote for anyone on that stage tonight. Romney is a big yawn. So is Pawlenty. I think I could dunk on Huntsman. I couldn't believe Santorum with his no exception for rape and incest crap. Bachmann, Paul, and Gingrich all gave some good answers and some bad answers, are more entertaining than the rest but are, in the end, unelectable. Cain had some good answers, but again, sort of boring.
Now maybe a good ticket could be formed with Former GOP congressman Virgil H. Goode Jr.
Goode and Pawlenty.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:07:03pm |
re: #133 Killgore Trout
Huge Mistake, The Dems under Bush were a bunch of sourpuss motherfuckers. Only one candidate ran on a positive message: Obama. Not a single Republican candidate is willing to take a positive note, they have no chance.
They spent three and a half years shitting all over "hope and change". There's no way they could tack towards the positive now.
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Kragar Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:07:21pm |
re: #149 Gus 802
The Heartbeat™ of America!
I would relate it to a different bodily function. Something sphincter related.
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Atlas Fails Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:07:36pm |
Bachmann was the winner imo. Pro-life, fag-hating, and economically illiterate in ways that your average bagger can understand. Pawlenty and Santorum were awful, but Mitt was the worst of the contenders.
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jhrhv Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:08:18pm |
Did any of them have anything to say that could be realistically implemented to improve anything?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:08:33pm |
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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:09:18pm |
re: #144 Dark_Falcon
Not hardly. Obama either worked with or for the government. He has very little experience with business or finance. Romney does.
Since when are government jobs not real jobs? And Romney didn't pull himself up by his boot straps like Obama did either. Romney is no different from Donald Trump. His father's name, money and connections got him where he his. Obama had neither of those things.
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Gus Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:09:48pm |
Romney was a business man alright. Running a business that created tax shelters no? Some Grand Cayman Islands gig.
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freetoken Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:10:08pm |
Less than an hour from the tree to my mouth - that's the way produce ought to be eaten.
Fresh, very ripe figs - the joy of summer.
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recusancy Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:10:20pm |
re: #162 Gus 802
Romney was a business man alright. Running a business that created tax shelters no? Some Grand Cayman Islands gig.
He bought and "extracted" value from companies.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:10:24pm |
re: #161 SpaceJesus
Shhh...
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austin_blue Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:10:26pm |
re: #151 Killgore Trout
Fox news commentators are shitting all over the candidates. They won't be invited back
But that's appropriate. As a debate to separate themselves from each other with a real vision?
Epic fail.
Not surprising, though. What *needs* to happen to put this economy back on the rails is anathema to their base.
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Alexzander Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:10:53pm |
re: #163 freetoken
Less than an hour from the tree to my mouth - that's the way produce ought to be eaten.
Fresh, very ripe figs - the joy of summer.
Absolutely. Modern agriculture is fucked.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:11:10pm |
re: #160 moderatelyradicalliberal
Since when are government jobs not real jobs? And Romney didn't pull himself up by his boot straps like Obama did either. Romney is no different from Donald Trump. His father's name, money and connections got him where he his. Obama had neither of those things.
Washington and Jefferson did not pull themselves up by their bootstraps, nor did JFK or FDR.
Adams earned his own money, so did Reagan, and Lincoln was definitely the best example of moving under "ash breeze"*
It's a mixed thing.
*Having to row
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Charleston Chew Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:11:25pm |
re: #160 moderatelyradicalliberal
Since when are government jobs not real jobs? And Romney didn't pull himself up by his boot straps like Obama did either. Romney is no different from Donald Trump. His father's name, money and connections got him where he his. Obama had neither of those things.
If "son of a millionaire" can be considered a real job, then I need to find out where I can submit my resume.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:11:29pm |
re: #160 moderatelyradicalliberal
Since when are government jobs not real jobs? And Romney didn't pull himself up by his boot straps like Obama did either. Romney is no different from Donald Trump. His father's name, money and connections got him where he his. Obama had neither of those things.
As the son of a career government employee and the grandson of another, thank you! I am so sick and tired of people like Romney acting like it's not a real job if you work for the government. It's very insulting to say the least. And you know what, if these people can say working for the government means you don't understand business then I can say they don't understand government which many of them clearly do NOT.
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TampaKnight Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:12:58pm |
The Private in Afghanistan getting up at 5 a.m. and fighting until 1 a.m. may disagree that government jobs are easy and worthless.
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engineer cat Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:13:07pm |
if mitt applied his experience running a business to the government of the united states, he'd put us on a profitable basis by outsourcing american jobs to cheaper overseas contractors, right?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:13:07pm |
re: #163 freetoken
Less than an hour from the tree to my mouth - that's the way produce ought to be eaten.
Fresh, very ripe figs - the joy of summer.
And that's just what I'd be doing if I had a bit of land, and at least one thumb of any color other than brown.
Do you successfully home-growing folks realize how much I hate you?
///seething jealousy
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:13:31pm |
re: #175 Slumbering Behemoth
And that's just what I'd be doing if I had a bit of land, and at least one thumb of any color other than brown.
Do you successfully home-growing folks realize how much I hate you?
///seething jealousy
My blueberries were nice today. Sun warmed.
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freetoken Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:14:19pm |
re: #175 Slumbering Behemoth
I just make friends around the community. Many people who have fruit trees end up with too much to eat (since no one cans anymore.)
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:14:29pm |
By the way, would people like Romney who put down career government employees dare put down lifers in the military? Of course not, why, because they know they would get crucified for that shit but it's okay to badmouth government employees because that's what works for the dummies that make up the modern GOP's base. Sorry, but this stuff really annoys me. Try telling my mother and grandfather they don't and didn't have real jobs. It's disgraceful.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:15:01pm |
re: #169 EmmmieG
Washington and Jefferson did not pull themselves up by their bootstraps, nor did JFK or FDR.
Adams earned his own money, so did Reagan, and Lincoln was definitely the best example of moving under "ash breeze"*
It's a mixed thing.
*Having to row
JFK and FDR has real empathy for people who weren't born as lucky as they where. They knew they were privileged. Not something to feel guilty about, but don't act like someone hit a triple when they were born on third base is all I'm saying.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:15:08pm |
re: #168 Alexzander
Absolutely. Modern agriculture is fucked.
It may not be perfect, but it feeds millions. I can fault it, but not by much.
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Gus Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:15:16pm |
re: #172 HappyWarrior
As the son of a career government employee and the grandson of another, thank you! I am so sick and tired of people like Romney acting like it's not a real job if you work for the government. It's very insulting to say the least. And you know what, if these people can say working for the government means you don't understand business then I can say they don't understand government which many of them clearly do NOT.
Romney's talking out of his ass again. He got to where he is because of government. He was a governor. Ran for Senate. Ran for president. Was involved with the Olympics which has many government underpinnings around the world. Yeah, government. Much like Ron Paul and his USAF and government (i.e. politician) background. All of these conservatives pretending to be fucking John Galt when they're nothing but government wonks themselves.
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Idle Drifter Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:15:16pm |
re: #173 TampaKnight
The Private in Afghanistan getting up at 5 a.m. and fighting until 1 a.m. may disagree that government jobs are easy and worthless.
I wish I can up ding you more.
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Atlas Fails Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:15:43pm |
The hand-wringing over how "Made in America" used to "mean something" is truly nauseating coming from this bunch, considering they all support continuing tax cuts for companies that outsource.
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Charleston Chew Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:15:47pm |
re: #174 engineer dog
if mitt applied his experience running a business to the government of the united states, he'd put us on a profitable basis by outsourcing american jobs to cheaper overseas contractors, right?
He'll pink-slip the citizens, break up the country and sell off the assets.
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elizajane Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:16:27pm |
re: #157 Atlas Fails
Bachmann was the winner imo. Pro-life, fag-hating, and economically illiterate in ways that your average bagger can understand. Pawlenty and Santorum were awful, but Mitt was the worst of the contenders.
There does seem to be a growing agreement in the blogging and twittering world that Bachmann scored again.
How is it possible?
Try to picture this: a presidential debate between Bachmann and Obama.
[Head explodes]
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:17:20pm |
re: #177 freetoken
I just make friends around the community. Many people who have fruit trees end up with too much to eat (since no one cans anymore.)
That's kind of a bummer. It's nice to give the surplus away, and certainly makes your neighbors happy, but imagine how much money could be saved by canning.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:17:36pm |
re: #181 Gus 802
Romney's talking out of his ass again. He got to where he is because of government. He was a governor. Ran for Senate. Ran for president. Was involved with the Olympics which has many government underpinnings around the world. Yeah, government. Much like Ron Paul and his USAF and government (i.e. politician) background. All of these conservatives pretending to be fucking John Galt when they're nothing but government wonks themselves.
Yep, and his old man was governor of Michigan too. And his dad had to deal with the government when he was chair of GM. You know from what I know about George Romney, he seems like a decent guy but his son is the worst kind of opportunist.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:18:29pm |
re: #178 HappyWarrior
By the way, would people like Romney who put down career government employees dare put down lifers in the military? Of course not, why, because they know they would get crucified for that shit but it's okay to badmouth government employees because that's what works for the dummies that make up the modern GOP's base. Sorry, but this stuff really annoys me. Try telling my mother and grandfather they don't and didn't have real jobs. It's disgraceful.
The way that the GOP has been treating and talking about government workers lately would imply that they have no respect for them at all. As far as the military goes, in GOP land the DOD has nothing to do with the government at all it would seem.
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recusancy Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:18:38pm |
re: #187 HappyWarrior
Yep, and his old man was governor of Michigan too. And his dad had to deal with the government when he was chair of GM. You know from what I know about George Romney, he seems like a decent guy but his son is the worst kind of opportunist.
Kind of the same dynamic with GB jr and sr.
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Charleston Chew Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:19:00pm |
re: #179 moderatelyradicalliberal
JFK and FDR has real empathy for people who weren't born as lucky as they where. They knew they were privileged. Not something to feel guilty about, but don't act like someone hit a triple when they were born on third base is all I'm saying.
FDR had the good fortune of being a cripple. I suspect it was a good reminder that no matter who you are, you can get dealt a bad hand. A reminder that just because someone's down on their luck, it doesn't mean they should be treated like garbage to be disposed of.
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TampaKnight Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:19:15pm |
re: #188 moderatelyradicalliberal
The way that the GOP has been treating and talking about government workers lately would imply that they have no respect for them at all. As far as the military goes, in GOP land the DOD has nothing to do with the government at all it would seem.
I'm a right leaning guy and I can say that's false.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:19:19pm |
re: #107 marjoriemoon
Oh dear Pawlenty is quoting Janis Joplin.
Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose :)
Actually Kris Kristofferson... but he was her lover through most of that timeframe so I suppose it's more correct than most things of the era ;)
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Atlas Fails Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:19:46pm |
re: #185 elizajane
There does seem to be a growing agreement in the blogging and twittering world that Bachmann scored again.
How is it possible?
Try to picture this: a presidential debate between Bachmann and Obama.
[Head explodes]
We could always use the Limbaugh method and change our registration to vote for the least electable contender.
///
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austin_blue Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:19:52pm |
re: #172 HappyWarrior
As the son of a career government employee and the grandson of another, thank you! I am so sick and tired of people like Romney acting like it's not a real job if you work for the government. It's very insulting to say the least. And you know what, if these people can say working for the government means you don't understand business then I can say they don't understand government which many of them clearly do NOT.
My Grandfather was a firefighter in Denver. My Da was a career Marine pilot. I have worked for various entities, both governmental, (the Air Force, the State of Texas) and private industry (various firms as a mud logger, a wellhead geologist, and an emergency response coordinator). The government jobs were not high paying, but I always felt I was serving the public good. In the private sector jobs, it has always been about profit and billable hours, often at the cost of the public good.
Hmmm...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:20:37pm |
"Comments are disabled for this poll."
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recusancy Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:20:46pm |
re: #194 austin_blue
My Grandfather was a firefighter in Denver. My Da was a career Marine pilot. I have worked for various entities, both governmental, (the Air Force, the State of Texas) and private industry (various firms as a mud logger, a wellhead geologist, and an emergency response coordinator). The government jobs were not high paying, but I always felt I was serving the public good. In the private sector jobs, it has always been about profit and billable hours, often at the cost of the public good.
Hmmm...
My dad was a vietnam vet and a postal worker. I guess he never knew the real economy either.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:21:58pm |
re: #191 TampaKnight
I'm a right leaning guy and I can say that's false.
The first sentence or the second? Because in every state the GOP took over in 2010, the first sentence is absolutely true. WI, OH, and FL for sure.
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Gus Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:22:06pm |
re: #187 HappyWarrior
Yep, and his old man was governor of Michigan too. And his dad had to deal with the government when he was chair of GM. You know from what I know about George Romney, he seems like a decent guy but his son is the worst kind of opportunist.
Damn bullshit artists of the worst kind. They're everywhere in the GOP too. Always talking about the government. Then turning around and using the government to ban or limit abortions; marijuana use; fortress America; Drug War; never ending wars; massive military budgets; banning gay marriage; etc.
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recusancy Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:22:49pm |
Dark always disappears when he knows he has a losing argument.
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Gus Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:23:00pm |
I'm for limited government. That's why I support a massive police state.
//
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austin_blue Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:24:10pm |
re: #196 recusancy
My dad was a vietnam vet and a postal worker. I guess he never knew the real economy either.
Exactly. He sucked as an American. A real leech on society.
How can these people intimate that? And I'd like to thank your dad for his service, as I do for every vet. There is no debt that should not be afforded to each and every one of them.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:24:11pm |
re: #199 recusancy
Dark always disappears when he knows he has a losing argument.
That's his party up there. If I were him I'd be embarrassed.
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Charleston Chew Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:24:19pm |
re: #200 Gus 802
I'm for limited government. That's why I support a massive police state.
//
How else can we keep the government in check? (I afraid of the people that actually think that way.)
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TampaKnight Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:24:37pm |
re: #197 moderatelyradicalliberal
The first sentence or the second? Because in every state the GOP took over in 2010, the first sentence is absolutely true. WI, OH, and FL for sure.
Only can speak to what I know. I served in our great Army. I now work in St. Pete, FL and work alot with Congressman Bill Young. He is a great man and his entire family dedicates their lives to helping our soldiers.
I don't think it's lost that the military is part of our government.
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Idle Drifter Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:24:54pm |
re: #186 Slumbering Behemoth
That's kind of a bummer. It's nice to give the surplus away, and certainly makes your neighbors happy, but imagine how much money could be saved by canning.
Making preserves with mason jars sounds wonderful. Or dried fruit for trail mix. If I have the time I love making home made spaghetti sauce with fresh ingredients.
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recusancy Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:25:21pm |
re: #201 austin_blue
Exactly. He sucked as an American. A real leech on society.
How can these people intimate that? And I'd like to thank your dad for his service, as I do for every vet. There is no debt that should not be afforded to each and every one of them.
And a big thanks to your dad as well :)
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:25:32pm |
re: #189 recusancy
Kind of the same dynamic with GB jr and sr.
Yeah, I'd agree with that though I like old man Romney better than I do H.W Bush. The man was supportive of Civil Rights and he wasn't a dick towards the UAW. My aforementioned grandfather probably met him and Walter Reuther many a time during arbitration at the NLRB.
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Mocking Jay Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:25:44pm |
re: #196 recusancy
My dad was a vietnam vet and a postal worker. I guess he never knew the real economy either.
My dad was a postal worker too.
Or a non-working looter as I guess some would call him...
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makeitstop Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:25:53pm |
A pause in the analysis. For all you 80s music fans -
Warrant's Jani Lane dead at 47
Man, that's way too young.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:26:55pm |
re: #204 TampaKnight
Only can speak to what I know. I served in our great Army. I now work in St. Pete, FL and work alot with Congressman Bill Young. He is a great man and his entire family dedicates their lives to helping our soldiers.
I don't think it's lost that the military is part of our government.
I thank you for your service, but the GOP his been shitting on non-military government workers. Especially, the ones that had the nerve to form unions.
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Gus Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:27:03pm |
I'm for limited government. That's why I think the government should be able to detain whomever they deem to be a danger without a trial and for an indefinite period. At the same time, while supporting limited government, the government should be able to torture those people until we have enough "evidence" to charge them.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:27:34pm |
The guy on PBS just told me what was wrong with America...
Not enough custom furniture. Of course, his show is called "American Woodshop.
I tell you what, I am sick to death of the liberal/socialist media and their gawt damned Crafting Agenda! Fuck PBS!
/
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austin_blue Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:27:34pm |
re: #206 recusancy
And a big thanks to your dad as well :)
Pulls forelock. He can be visited in the massive bone orchard known as Arlington.
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Charleston Chew Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:27:36pm |
re: #204 TampaKnight
Only can speak to what I know. I served in our great Army. I now work in St. Pete, FL and work alot with Congressman Bill Young. He is a great man and his entire family dedicates their lives to helping our soldiers.
I don't think it's lost that the military is part of our government.
What I don't get is why some conservatives think it's fine to spend seemingly infinite dollars on the Pentagon, but not any other government services. If government employees are good enough to be trusted with the most advanced and lethal war-fighting technology, can't they also be trusted to pave a few roads?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:28:48pm |
re: #205 Idle Drifter
Making preserves with mason jars sounds wonderful. Or dried fruit for trail mix. If I have the time I love making home made spaghetti sauce with fresh ingredients.
My mom makes the best. But of course you know I'd say that.
It's still true, though.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:29:08pm |
re: #211 Gus 802
I'm for limited government. That's why I think the government should be able to detain whomever they deem to be a danger without a trial and for an indefinite period. At the same time, while supporting limited government, the government should be able to torture those people until we have enough "evidence" to charge them.
On a role with this but oyu forgot to mention "I am for limited government but I support the right of the state to kill its citizens." That's a big "?" for me given that many of them talk about the sanctity of life during the abortion debates. And yes, I realize most convicted mudrerers are guilty but shouldn't sanctity of life mean just that even if it's a murderer? To be fair, I have met some anti DP conservatives who oppose it for the same reasons I do but they are far outnumbered by the numerous law and order at all costs nuts.
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Gus Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:29:17pm |
Small governments should also be able to stop anyone on the street and ask them for proof of citizenship! And if they don't have proof, they should be detained at the nearest prison. I'm the GOP. And I'm for small government.
//
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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:29:59pm |
re: #214 Charleston Chew
What I don't get is why some conservatives think it's fine to spend seemingly infinite dollars on the Pentagon, but not any other government services. If government employees are good enough to be trusted with the most advanced and lethal war-fighting technology, can't they also be trusted to pave a few roads?
No, they want to wait until the roads crumble and people are killed when they fall into sink holes and then howl about how useless government workers are and that government doesn't work while requesting more federal highway funds.
//
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Charleston Chew Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:30:28pm |
re: #211 Gus 802
I'm for limited government. That's why I think the government should be able to detain whomever they deem to be a danger without a trial and for an indefinite period. At the same time, while supporting limited government, the government should be able to torture those people until we have enough "evidence" to charge them.
They reduced big government by getting rid of trials and editing out a few wasteful rights in the Constitution.
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recusancy Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:31:10pm |
re: #218 Gus 802
Small governments should also be able to stop anyone on the street and ask them for proof of citizenship! And if they don't have proof, they should be detained at the nearest prison. I'm the GOP. And I'm for small government.
//
*if you look brown foreign
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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:31:20pm |
re: #220 Charleston Chew
They reduced big government by getting rid of trials and editing out a few wasteful rights in the Constitution.
They want to shrink government until it's small enough to fit into my uterus.
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TampaKnight Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:32:20pm |
re: #214 Charleston Chew
What I don't get is why some conservatives think it's fine to spend seemingly infinite dollars on the Pentagon, but not any other government services. If government employees are good enough to be trusted with the most advanced and lethal war-fighting technology, can't they also be trusted to pave a few roads?
Want my opinion? I think Obama's plan to cut $400B over 10 years is perfect. We reduce force size, scale back, and re prioritize.
However, the plans for above and beyond cuts are downright scary. I served in the Army where I saw engineers servicing Bradley fighting vehicles that were build over 25 years ago. This isn't common to the Army- across the DOD, the only new platform that we've fielded since Reagan is the F-22, which has since been canceled.
I shutter to imagine waking up in 30 years and STILL using the Bradley.
DOD spending shouldn't be endless, but the budget is 20% of the 2012 budget request. That's far from unreasonable to spend on defense.
I'm telling you- the military is desperate for new technologies.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:33:38pm |
re: #212 Slumbering Behemoth
The guy on PBS just told me what was wrong with America...
Not enough custom furniture. Of course, his show is called "American Woodshop.
I tell you what, I am sick to death of the liberal/socialist media and their gawt damned Crafting Agenda! Fuck PBS!
/
I've always been annoyed that the alter ego in Fight Club calls the protagonist 'Ikea boy'.
I like Ikea.
My husband explains that this is a short-hand for all the manly vital arts that have been lost in the modern world.
I say that that would make sense if, when they free themselves of that world, these guys lovingly handcraft their own furniture, but they don't. They beat the crap out of each other bare-knuckled, so who cares where their furniture is from?
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:33:48pm |
Don't forget that "government is the problem" Reagan was responsible for the biggest expansion of the Drug War too. I think this wouldn't frustrate me if conservatives were at least honest about their desires for the government's size. Instead, they go around calling others socialists and claim they champion small government. It's a load of crap if you ask kme.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:33:54pm |
re: #209 makeitstop
A pause in the analysis. For all you 80s music fans -
Warrant's Jani Lane dead at 47
Man, that's way too young.
Damn that picture says a lot though. Wore that body out, he did.
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austin_blue Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:34:01pm |
Gotta go! She Who Must Be Obeyed is crooning The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock. Yeah, yeah, I know...
Sweet dreams all. Stay cool and scaly.
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Idle Drifter Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:35:08pm |
re: #214 Charleston Chew
What I don't get is why some conservatives think it's fine to spend seemingly infinite dollars on the Pentagon, but not any other government services. If government employees are good enough to be trusted with the most advanced and lethal war-fighting technology, can't they also be trusted to pave a few roads?
I don't get why people hate the NASA budget when this agency makes the most of the money it receives. And it gives us awesome images like this one:
[Link: bit.ly...]
Yup, that's a sonic rainboom!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:35:14pm |
re: #222 moderatelyradicalliberal
They want to shrink government until it's small enough to fit into my uterus.
[insert sexist joke about "just wanting to get into your pants" here]
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:36:51pm |
What I don't understand is the conservative attitude on public schools. Yes, they're not perfect but we should work on improving them. The vast majority of American schoolchildren attend them after all. I am not against private schools though I wouldn't send my children to them. The solution to our education gap with China, India, and other nations shouldn't be to cut education and weaken public schools.
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Charleston Chew Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:36:57pm |
re: #215 Gus 802
Small governments don't need warrants!
Printing warrants costs money! Where do think the debt comes from?re: #223 TampaKnight
Want my opinion? I think Obama's plan to cut $400B over 10 years is perfect. We reduce force size, scale back, and re prioritize.
However, the plans for above and beyond cuts are downright scary. I served in the Army where I saw engineers servicing Bradley fighting vehicles that were build over 25 years ago. This isn't common to the Army- across the DOD, the only new platform that we've fielded since Reagan is the F-22, which has since been canceled.
I shutter to imagine waking up in 30 years and STILL using the Bradley.
DOD spending shouldn't be endless, but the budget is 20% of the 2012 budget request. That's far from unreasonable to spend on defense.
I'm telling you- the military is desperate for new technologies.
I wan't really trying to be anti defense spending. Meant it more the other way around. Should government spending be limited only to killing people? How do you feel about spending on infrastructure, education, medicine, fire departments, libraries, etc?
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Atlas Fails Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:37:08pm |
Luap Nor continues to mix in a few good ideas with his bad craziness. Shut down Gitmo? Yep! Avoid future nation-building misadventures? Awesome. Repeal the PATRIOT Act? Ride on! OBL's killing was an illegal assassination? Swiiiiiiing and a miss.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:38:11pm |
re: #224 SanFranciscoZionist
Ha! You are a hoot, SFZ. Excellent observation.
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Mocking Jay Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:38:21pm |
re: #233 Atlas Fails
Luap Nor continues to mix in a few good ideas with his bad craziness. Shut down Gitmo? Yep! Avoid future nation-building misadventures? Awesome. Repeal the PATRIOT Act? Ride on! OBL's killing was an illegal assassination? Swiiing and a miss.
For chasing after crazy idea after crazy idea I now think of the man as Ron Quixote.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:38:21pm |
re: #199 recusancy
Dark always disappears when he knows he has a losing argument.
A. I'm on the phone.
B. Firefox crashed.
I couldn't have posted in the last 10 minute at all.
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blueraven Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:38:25pm |
Romney...insincere flip flopper
Cain...Not ready for prime time
Pawlenty...Weak, Pandering
Newt....grumpy old man
Paul...grumpier old man w/conviction
Santorum...No
Bachmann...delusional
Huntsman...I am disappoint
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:38:33pm |
re: #223 TampaKnight
Want my opinion? I think Obama's plan to cut $400B over 10 years is perfect. We reduce force size, scale back, and re prioritize.
However, the plans for above and beyond cuts are downright scary. I served in the Army where I saw engineers servicing Bradley fighting vehicles that were build over 25 years ago. This isn't common to the Army- across the DOD, the only new platform that we've fielded since Reagan is the F-22, which has since been canceled.
I shutter to imagine waking up in 30 years and STILL using the Bradley.
DOD spending shouldn't be endless, but the budget is 20% of the 2012 budget request. That's far from unreasonable to spend on defense.
I'm telling you- the military is desperate for new technologies.
We will still be using the Bradley in 30 years.
The Russians will still be using BMPs too.
The Chinese will have something newer but they'll still be death traps just like the Bradley and the BMP.
There won't have been a real war to force any real development and no one - not us, not the Europeans, not the Russian and not the Chinese - can afford the cost of really good new gear without the threat of immanent war.
Which is why certain parties keep up the fear tactics but that's a separate argument.
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Gus Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:38:51pm |
re: #223 TampaKnight
Want my opinion? I think Obama's plan to cut $400B over 10 years is perfect. We reduce force size, scale back, and re prioritize.
However, the plans for above and beyond cuts are downright scary. I served in the Army where I saw engineers servicing Bradley fighting vehicles that were build over 25 years ago. This isn't common to the Army- across the DOD, the only new platform that we've fielded since Reagan is the F-22, which has since been canceled.
I shutter to imagine waking up in 30 years and STILL using the Bradley.
DOD spending shouldn't be endless, but the budget is 20% of the 2012 budget request. That's far from unreasonable to spend on defense.
I'm telling you- the military is desperate for new technologies.
20 percent? Maybe in operational and new procurement spending...
This does not include many military-related items that are outside of the Defense Department budget, such as nuclear weapons research, maintenance, cleanup, and production, which is in the Department of Energy budget, Veterans Affairs, the Treasury Department's payments in pensions to military retirees and widows and their families, interest on debt incurred in past wars, or State Department financing of foreign arms sales and militarily-related development assistance. Neither does it include defense spending that is not military in nature, such as the Department of Homeland Security, counter-terrorism spending by the FBI, and intelligence-gathering spending by NASA.
The total amount we spend on defense and fortress America is astronomical in nature.
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TampaKnight Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:39:22pm |
re: #232 Charleston Chew
Printing warrants costs money! Where do think the debt comes from?re: #223 TampaKnight
I wan't really trying to be anti defense spending. Meant it more the other way around. Should government spending be limited only to killing people? How do you feel about spending on infrastructure, education, medicine, fire departments, libraries, etc?
Aren't education, fire depts, and libraries state or local issues?
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darthstar Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:39:55pm |
Well, the GOP debate did answer one question: How much shit can you fit on one stage?
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recusancy Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:40:50pm |
re: #240 TampaKnight
Aren't education, fire depts, and libraries state or local issues?
Education isn't. We have a department of education. Bush passed a federal no child left behind law.
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Mocking Jay Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:40:56pm |
Newt thinks Obama needs to cancel his vacation.
L O fucking L.
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TampaKnight Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:41:08pm |
re: #239 Gus 802
20 percent? Maybe in operational and new procurement spending...
The total amount we spend on defense and fortress America is astronomical in nature.
False. I'm referring to the base defense budget, which is 1/5 of the total federal budget. Procurement is roughly 1/5 of the entire defense budget.
O&M and Health care are the major drivers of cost in the DOD budget.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:41:40pm |
re: #244 JasonA
Newt thinks Obama needs to cancel his vacation.
L O fucking L.
Obama needs to take a cruise.
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Charleston Chew Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:42:04pm |
re: #240 TampaKnight
Aren't education, fire depts, and libraries state or local issues?
They don't have to be. And even if they are, local government is still government.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:42:20pm |
re: #244 JasonA
Newt thinks Obama needs to cancel his vacation.
L O fucking L.
I think Newt needs to go on a long vacation. Anything to get that pompous gasbag off the airwaves.
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TampaKnight Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:42:39pm |
re: #247 Charleston Chew
They don't have to be. And even if they are, local government is still government.
Never said they weren't. But, there is a massive difference in responsibility of states vs. Federal.
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Mocking Jay Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:42:56pm |
re: #246 EmmmieG
Obama needs to take a cruise.
Hell, if I were Obama I think I'd have walked away and be living on a boat by now...
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Gus Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:43:06pm |
re: #245 TampaKnight
False. I'm referring to the base defense budget, which is 1/5 of the total federal budget. Procurement is roughly 1/5 of the entire defense budget.
O&M and Health care are the major drivers of cost in the DOD budget.
I'm looking at total costs. Including debt on prior wars. Veteran affairs budgets. Housing and entitlement costs for homeless veterans. Long term care. Covert operations. Everything.
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sod Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:43:20pm |
Just downloaded the latest Dave Bazan release, Strange Negotiations. Came out back in May, didn't know.
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TampaKnight Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:43:57pm |
re: #252 Gus 802
I'm looking at total costs. Including debt on prior wars. Veteran affairs budgets. Housing and entitlement costs for homeless veterans. Long term care. Covert operations. Everything.
That's like me looking forward on SS and Medicare and saying we should scrap them.
It's not a fair assessment.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:44:39pm |
re: #223 TampaKnight
This isn't common to the Army- across the DOD, the only new platform that we've fielded since Reagan is the F-22, ...
The IAV Stryker, the Reagan class carriers, Independence class LCS, have all been developed and fielded post Reagan's presidency.
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TampaKnight Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:45:07pm |
War monger? I saw fucking friends die in front of me in combat.
What have you seen?
Fuck you.
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Charleston Chew Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:45:13pm |
re: #249 TampaKnight
Never said they weren't. But, there is a massive difference in responsibility of states vs. Federal.
It's all government spending. My question remains - why do conservatives think government spending on guns and bombs = good, but government spending on books and medicine = bad?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:45:14pm |
There's a debate question for you:
This is a job in which you will be attacked relentlessly, sometimes for stupid, trivial things. People will make their livings making fun of you. Your family will be attacked personally, and you will all live under threat of real attack continually. You will have impossible problems to solve, and the whole world will tell you you're doing it wrong.
Why do you want it?
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Gus Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:46:08pm |
re: #257 TampaKnight
War monger? I saw fucking friends die in front of me in combat.
What have you seen?
Fuck you.
Oh jeez. Yeah, like I'm supposed to know that. So I'm insulting the death of your friends by saying war monger? Give me a break. That wasn't my intent.
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Atlas Fails Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:46:20pm |
re: #244 JasonA
Newt thinks Obama needs to cancel his vacation.
L O fucking L.
I think Newt needs to cancel his "campaign" and stop stealing time from real candidates.
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TampaKnight Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:46:38pm |
re: #260 Gus 802
Oh jeez. Yeah, like I'm supposed to know that. So I'm insulting the death of your friends by saying war monger? Give me a break. That wasn't my intent.
No, you just throw it out anytime disagrees with you on DOD spending.
I get it.
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recusancy Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:46:55pm |
re: #259 EmmmieG
There's a debate question for you:
This is a job in which you will be attacked relentlessly, sometimes for stupid, trivial things. People will make their livings making fun of you. Your family will be attacked personally, and you will all live under threat of real attack continually. You will have impossible problems to solve, and the whole world will tell you you're doing it wrong.
Why do you want it?
It's a good start to a question. But the actual question will be answered with the generic "because I love america and I can't let it be destroyed anymore" blah blah blah.
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Mocking Jay Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:47:08pm |
re: #261 Atlas Fails
I think Newt needs to cancel his "campaign" and stop stealing time from real candidates.
Real candidates? Where are they?
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:47:16pm |
re: #258 Charleston Chew
It's all government spending. My question remains - why do conservatives think government spending on guns and bombs = good, but government spending on books and medicine = bad?
See, that's what puzzles me. I just question the priorities. I don't oppose a healthy defense budget but I also support a government that encourages education and higher learning. Calling Pell Grants welfare like Representative Rehberg of Montana to me showed a total contempt for people who want to go to school adn get good careers.
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Gus Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:47:29pm |
re: #262 TampaKnight
No, you just throw it out anytime disagrees with you on DOD spending.
I get it.
In any event. Talk to someone else. Move on as I will.
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recusancy Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:47:47pm |
re: #265 HappyWarrior
See, that's what puzzles me. I just question the priorities. I don't oppose a healthy defense budget but I also support a government that encourages education and higher learning. Calling Pell Grants welfare like Representative Rehberg of Montana to me showed a total contempt for people who want to go to school adn get good careers.
This.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:48:49pm |
re: #256 goddamnedfrank
The IAV Stryker, the Reagan class carriers, Independence class LCS, have all been developed and fielded post Reagan's presidency.
Can we please pretend that Goddamn POS Stryker was stillborn? Worthless fucking deathtrap...
(Sorry. As a former tanker, I hate those things. They tempt officers into doing stupid things thinking they're real tanks when they aren't.)
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TampaKnight Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:48:52pm |
re: #266 Gus 802
In any event. Talk to someone else. Move on as I will.
Oh sure, I'll move on. Move on from the fact that anyone you disagree with on defense spending, you label as a warmonger. Even though I've actually seen war, and you haven't, and I fucking despise it.
You're an ignorant tool.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:49:38pm |
Do you know what was weird? The Fox commentators were saying that Newt was a "damaged messenger" or something like that because he had "been around too long," or something else like that, or because his campaign was in trouble.
No mention of the fact that the chief strike against him is that he's a complete creep. The chief strike against him is leaving two sick wives for a younger model. That makes people dislike you.
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Gus Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:49:48pm |
re: #269 TampaKnight
Oh sure, I'll move on. Move on from the fact that anyone you disagree with on defense spending, you label as a warmonger. Even though I've actually seen war, and you haven't, and I fucking despise it.
You're an ignorant tool.
Look asshole. I said move on. I don't need to listen to your crap right now.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:50:02pm |
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TampaKnight Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:52:39pm |
re: #271 Gus 802
Look asshole. I said move on. I don't need to listen to your crap right now.
I apologize for calling out your insistence for being an ignorant asshole.
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Gus Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:53:20pm |
re: #273 TampaKnight
I apologize for calling out your insistence for being an ignorant asshole.
What the fuck is your problem?
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Kragar Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:53:27pm |
Looking on the bright side, the debate did answer one important question.
Does the GOP have any viable candidates for the President of the United States?
No.
Good to know.
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darthstar Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:53:42pm |
This is going to leave a mark...(one that looks like '666')...
Bachmann appears in movie claiming public education would spark a new holocaust
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darthstar Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:54:13pm |
re: #248 HappyWarrior
I think Newt needs to go on a long vacation. Anything to get that pompous gasbag off the airwaves.
Vacations don't pay.
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TampaKnight Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:54:34pm |
re: #274 Gus 802
What the fuck is your problem?
You throw around "war monger" like a reckless child.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:55:13pm |
re: #276 darthstar
This is going to leave a mark...(one that looks like '666')...
Bachmann appears in movie claiming public education would spark a new holocaust
Yeah I saw that earlier. CL put it nicely in the page I saw it in, that it's getting awful annoying seeing politicians attempt to turn everything they dislike in to the Holocaust and I strongly agree with that. It trivializes the real evil of the Holocaust by doing that.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:55:28pm |
The marshmallows were good, but I had too many and got over-sweeted-out.
I know that's not a word.
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darthstar Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:55:35pm |
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Gus Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:55:35pm |
re: #278 TampaKnight
You throw around "war monger" like a reckless child.
Call my lawyer. Sue me. Deal with it.
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Meitantei Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:56:34pm |
So, I've been out meeting up old friends I haven't seen four years and getting hella drunk. A Cliff Notes version of the debate, or just the same old craziness?
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TampaKnight Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:56:42pm |
re: #283 Gus 802
Call my lawyer. Sue me. Deal with it.
Mature. When you can't say "I'm wrong", you resort to childish "call my lawyer" remarks.
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Gus Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:57:20pm |
re: #286 TampaKnight
Mature. When you can't say "I'm wrong", you resort to childish "call my lawyer" remarks.
What are you drunk?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:57:32pm |
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:57:50pm |
re: #256 goddamnedfrank
The IAV Stryker, the Reagan class carriers, Independence class LCS, have all been developed and fielded post Reagan's presidency.
The XM25 CDTE, the V-22 Osprey, MQ-1 Predator drone and descendants ...
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 11, 2011 8:59:18pm |
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Charleston Chew Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:00:06pm |
re: #285 Meitantei
So, I've been out meeting up old friends I haven't seen four years and getting hella drunk. A Cliff Notes version of the debate, or just the same old craziness?
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:00:17pm |
re: #290 SanFranciscoZionist
Seconded.
If we're out of cookies, they can have the rest of the marshmallows.
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Atlas Fails Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:00:30pm |
re: #275 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Looking on the bright side, the debate did answer one important question.
Does the GOP have any viable candidates for the President of the United States?
No.
Good to know.
What baffles me is the overconfidence of some Republicans. They act like Obama's defeat is a foregone conclusion and now they just have to pick the Republican they want to replace him with. Earth to wingnuts-Obama would beat any of your pathetic candidates if the election was held today. Lose the purity test if you actually want to have a chance in 2012.
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Gus Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:01:37pm |
re: #288 Slumbering Behemoth
re: #278 TampaKnight
You're both acting like dicks to each other. Handshake and cookies?
/net nanny
I've been around this place long enough to know what this means. I'll just stop engaging him. No handshake and no cookies. I'll just put it in gaze mode. And no I'm not referring to him as an "it". Sheesh. It's like a drag queen show here tonight all of the sudden.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:01:43pm |
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Digital Display Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:03:01pm |
re: #289 goddamnedfrank
The XM25 CDTE, the V-22 Osprey, MQ-1 Predator drone and descendants ...
That is so lightweight my Brother...How much damage can B-2 bombers, 50 cal machines guns, 55 mm Cannons really do?
Give me one Ohio Class Boomer and 24 programmable MIRVs and I can destroy the world.. :)
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:03:28pm |
re: #293 Atlas Fails
What baffles me is the overconfidence of some Republicans. They act like Obama's defeat is a foregone conclusion and now they just have to pick the Republican they want to replace him with. Earth to wingnuts-Obama would beat any of your pathetic candidates if the election was held today. Lose the purity test if you actually want to have a chance in 2012.
Yes, they're convinced he's Jimmy Carter 2.0 and whoever the replacement is Reagan 2.0. Of course, they're all cynical jackasses, Reagan to his credit at least was able to play to optimism. These guys on the other hand are doom and gloom types.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:06:44pm |
re: #294 Gus 802
Look, I consider you a friend. At least as much as two anonymous peeps can be friends on the internet. And I wouldn't be much of a good friend if I didn't point out some possibly dickish behavior.
Now if I've missed something I'll apologize and shut my trap, but it appeared that you were the one to hurl the first spear with the "war monger" insult. Am I wrong?
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Gus Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:12:01pm |
re: #299 Slumbering Behemoth
Look, I consider you a friend. At least as much as two anonymous peeps can be friends on the internet. And I wouldn't be much of a good friend if I didn't point out some possibly dickish behavior.
Now if I've missed something I'll apologize and shut my trap, but it appeared that you were the one to hurl the first spear with the "war monger" insult. Am I wrong?
Well, it went like this. I said:
Not in the mood for another war monger defense budget debate.
Then he threw this on me:
War monger? I saw fucking friends die in front of me in combat.
What have you seen?
Fuck you.
Seriously? I was speaking in general about "war mongering" and he lays that guilt trip on me? With the "fuck you" added to it? All for saying war monger. What, is "war monger" now another unacceptable phrase at LGF and un-PC? I don't need this crap.
| 302 |
Atlas Fails Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:12:50pm |
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McSpiff Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:14:10pm |
Sorry to go OT with my first comment in a thread, but this made me smile and seemed LGF appropriate:
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:17:28pm |
re: #301 Gus 802
It was dismissive and insulting. His response was no better.
I'm done. Butting out now.
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lostlakehiker Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:20:27pm |
re: #198 Gus 802
Damn bullshit artists of the worst kind. They're everywhere in the GOP too. Always talking about the government. Then turning around and using the government to ban or limit abortions; marijuana use; fortress America; Drug War; never ending wars; massive military budgets; banning gay marriage; etc.
Rick Perry is in hot water with the conservative side of the GOP because he's soft on illegal immigrants Their complaint?
If Perry runs for president, as is widely expected, he will undoubtedly focus on Texas' relatively healthy economy and its low taxes and his record in creating jobs in the 11 years he's been governor. What he may have to explain on the stump is how illegal immigrants have contributed to that success, adding as much as $17.7 billion a year to the state gross product and enjoying such benefits as in-state tuition at public universities.
Watcha gotta do to get the TP Seal of Approval? Poison the cienagas along the border?
| 306 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:22:10pm |
The results are in! The NPR Sci-Fi/Fanatsy Readers Choice Top 100.
A lot more Fantasy that I'd prefer to know even existed, but not bad Sci-Fi choices.
How is everyone?
I decided to miss the debate. Anything notable happen?
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Digital Display Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:23:04pm |
Halftime.. Eagles are up by 7 but they look really fast on defense..Jeez..
They look good tonight
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Gus Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:23:23pm |
re: #304 Slumbering Behemoth
It was dismissive and insulting. His response was no better.
I'm done. Butting out now.
I don't agree. His response was far worse and a clear attempt to poison the well and paint me as something I'm not. If you can't see that, well, I can't help you there.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:23:39pm |
re: #297 HoosierHoops
That is so lightweight my Brother...How much damage can B-2 bombers, 50 cal machines guns, 55 mm Cannons really do?
Give me one Ohio Class Boomer and 24 programmable MIRVs and I can destroy the world.. :)
Yeah, but you're a sub lover, Hoops. Though I doubt you like Typhoons. :)
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Kronocide Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:23:51pm |
re: #306 ggt
I decided to miss the debate. Anything notable happen?
Generic Republican did the best.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:24:17pm |
re: #293 Atlas Fails
What baffles me is the overconfidence of some Republicans. They act like Obama's defeat is a foregone conclusion and now they just have to pick the Republican they want to replace him with. Earth to wingnuts-Obama would beat any of your pathetic candidates if the election was held today. Lose the purity test if you actually want to have a chance in 2012.
They are singing to the choir. I predict a lot of cognitive dissonance in 2012.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:25:42pm |
re: #305 lostlakehiker
Rick Perry is in hot water with the conservative side of the GOP because he's soft on illegal immigrants Their complaint?
Watcha gotta do to get the TP Seal of Approval? Poison the cienagas along the border?
They're not going to be happy regardless of who is the nominee.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:25:51pm |
re: #310 BigPapa
Generic Republican did the best.
I like Generic Republican. He has a lovely wife, and 2.5 children.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:26:08pm |
re: #306 ggt
The results are in! The NPR Sci-Fi/Fanatsy Readers Choice Top 100.
A lot more Fantasy that I'd prefer to know even existed, but not bad Sci-Fi choices.
How is everyone?
I decided to miss the debate. Anything notable happen?
I see you missed my page.
Pout.
OTOH, I batted .700 so who am I to complain?
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:26:59pm |
re: #313 SanFranciscoZionist
I like Generic Republican. He has a lovely wife, and 2.5 children.
He likes tax cuts too, who doesn't like tax cuts?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:27:12pm |
re: #314 wlewisiii
I see you missed my page.
Pout.
OTOH, I batted .700 so who am I to complain?
NO, I didn't. I commented and everything. Did I like the wrong thing.
Here is the proper Page.
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Atlas Fails Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:27:46pm |
re: #311 ggt
They are singing to the choir. I predict a lot of cognitive dissonance in 2012.
ACOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRN!!!!11!!11ty
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:28:08pm |
re: #314 wlewisiii
I see you missed my page.
Pout.
OTOH, I batted .700 so who am I to complain?
I did link your page, originally!!!
I was afraid I mistakenly linked the NPR results themselves.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:28:15pm |
re: #315 HappyWarrior
He likes tax cuts too, who doesn't like tax cuts?
I don't. But then, I really am a card carrying Socialist (www.dsausa.org) unlike the president :LOL:
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:28:37pm |
re: #313 SanFranciscoZionist
I like Generic Republican. He has a lovely wife, and 2.5 children.
A Domestic Short Hair and a Black Labrador Retreiver as well!
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:29:18pm |
re: #316 ggt
NO, I didn't. I commented and everything. Did I like the wrong thing.
Here is the proper Page.
You have my apology. I made a bad assumption there.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:29:37pm |
re: #312 HappyWarrior
They're not going to be happy regardless of who is the nominee.
The eternal problem of politicians from the border states is that they simultaneously need to git tuff, as Molly Ivins would have said, on illegal immigration, and deal with the fact that we, and especially big agribusiness, profit from it and cannot do without it.
Given that the hardcore anti-immigration crowd wants stuff that simply won't ever happen in a million trillion bazillion years, and they have Tea Party cred, this is a problem indeed.
| 323 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:30:04pm |
I expected the Debate to be a group of mostly white people saying
"I am going to restore the Republic"
in 25 words or less.
Was I wrong?
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Mocking Jay Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:30:12pm |
re: #317 Atlas Fails
ACOOORRRN!!!11!!11ty
I think we're going need to see that birth certificate again, sir.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:30:24pm |
Anyway, here's a far more interesting subject.
I demand you all go and upding that page.
/
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:31:04pm |
re: #319 wlewisiii
I don't. But then, I really am a card carrying Socialist (www.dsausa.org) unlike the president :LOL:
Killjoy :) but seriously I like Delaware because of the no sales tax. That's nice if you're math challenged like I am.
| 327 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:31:54pm |
re: #326 HappyWarrior
Killjoy :) but seriously I like Delaware because of the no sales tax. That's nice if you're math challenged like I am.
It's also a good place to set-up a corporation, IIRC.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:32:04pm |
re: #315 HappyWarrior
He likes tax cuts too, who doesn't like tax cuts?
I hear he loves America, and favors personal responsibility, patriotism, and family.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:32:30pm |
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:33:17pm |
re: #327 ggt
It's also a good place to set-up a corporation, IIRC.
Yeah, it's pretty corporate friendly from what I understand. Beaches there are underrated IMO but then again I vacationed every year at Dewey at a discount cottage my cousin owned so I am a bit biased.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:33:41pm |
re: #328 SanFranciscoZionist
I hear he loves America, and favors personal responsibility, patriotism, and family.
He loves baseball, apple pie, and the WWE too.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:33:51pm |
I also posted a Page.
Seems British Police have come to the conclusion they go their tactics wrong.
hmmmmm
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:34:01pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:34:06pm |
re: #323 ggt
I expected the Debate to be a group of mostly white people saying
"I am going to restore the Republic"
in 25 words or less.
Was I wrong?
There was one black guy, and they also discussed light bulbs and how different they are from Barack Obama.
So, no, you were pretty much spot on.
| 335 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:34:25pm |
re: #323 ggt
I expected the Debate to be a group of mostly white people saying
"I am going to restore the Republic"
in 25 words or less.
Was I wrong?
Yes, you were. The debate was mostly made up of Pumpkin-Americans. Newt gets honorary membership in that group, not due to complexion, but due to the shape of his head.
| 336 |
Mocking Jay Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:35:00pm |
They're replaying the debate. Frickin' creepy the way the list everyone's religious affiliation in their fact sheets.
| 337 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:36:03pm |
re: #336 JasonA
They're replaying the debate. Frickin' creepy the way the list everyone's religious affiliation in their fact sheets.
I they've always done that, in some way or another.
Most voters are religious, so it seems to be important.
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BeenHereAwhile Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:36:09pm |
re: #187 HappyWarrior
Yep, and his old man was governor of Michigan too. And his dad had to deal with the government when he was chair of GM..
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Gus Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:36:17pm |
re: #333 ggt
NASCAR!
Careful now. Using the NASCAR name as a negative is typically demeaning to the people from the South. There's nothing wrong with NASCAR.
//
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:36:41pm |
re: #336 JasonA
They're replaying the debate. Frickin' creepy the way the list everyone's religious affiliation in their fact sheets.
There is no religious test for office, except when We The People say there is.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:37:19pm |
re: #339 Gus 802
Careful now. Using the NASCAR name as a negative is typically demeaning to the people from the South. There's nothing wrong with NASCAR.
//
Yeah, I just don't get NASCAR. Or powdered aspirin
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:37:53pm |
re: #340 Slumbering Behemoth
There is no religious test for office, except when We The People say there is.
next they'll start listing sexual preference.
That will be interesting . . .
| 343 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:38:36pm |
re: #342 ggt
next they'll start listing sexual preference.
That will be interesting . . .
Is "Some" an option?
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Digital Display Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:39:42pm |
re: #341 ggt
Yeah, I just don't get NASCAR. Or powdered aspirin
Tebow played a little tonight..He looked pretty good..
Although..He did something I've never seen in my entire life..
He had 3 penalties called on him in one play.. And I thought I'd seen it all..
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:39:54pm |
re: #343 Slumbering Behemoth
Is "Some" an option?
As long as they don't start listing pets.
People will vote for who they perceive as a Dog Person or a Cat Person.
Rodents, Reptiles, birds and arachnids won't even be in the running.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:40:26pm |
re: #344 HoosierHoops
Tebow played a little tonight..He looked pretty good..
Although..He did something I've never seen in my entire life..
He had 3 penalties called on him in one play.. And I thought I'd seen it all..
Whudathunkit?
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:41:27pm |
re: #344 HoosierHoops
Tebow played a little tonight..He looked pretty good..
Although..He did something I've never seen in my entire life..
He had 3 penalties called on him in one play.. And I thought I'd seen it all..
For what? Surprised he looked good. Heard he was the third stringer at one point in camp. Steelers play Redskins tomorrow. Can't wait to see how the kids look. And so glad that Woodley has been extended.
| 348 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:41:58pm |
Maybe I've been reading too much about Rome.
I just don't see humans behaving any differently than they have for the past 6000 (oops) years.
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Gus Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:42:25pm |
re: #347 HappyWarrior
For what? Surprised he looked good. Heard he was the third stringer at one point in camp. Steelers play Redskins tomorrow. Can't wait to see how the kids look. And so glad that Woodley has been extended.
They should really consider changing that name: Redskins.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:42:34pm |
re: #345 ggt
Hilarious but appropriate comment on the "No Religious Test" religious test.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:42:55pm |
I will admit. I never checked-out the White House website until GWB's staff started posting the BarneyCam.
I really enjoyed the BarneyCam.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:43:42pm |
re: #350 Slumbering Behemoth
Hilarious but appropriate comment on the "No Religious Test" religious test.
I WAS being serious.
But, I am glad you enjoyed it.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:45:02pm |
re: #345 ggt
As long as they don't start listing pets.
People will vote for who they perceive as a Dog Person or a Cat Person.
Rodents, Reptiles, birds and arachnids won't even be in the running.
Means Teddy Roosevelt's out of the running. From what I understand, th Roosevelt White House was quite the zoo. I think I may have read that Lewis and Clark gave Jefferson a bear if I am not mistaken.
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Atlas Fails Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:45:21pm |
re: #347 HappyWarrior
For what? Surprised he looked good. Heard he was the third stringer at one point in camp. Steelers play Redskins tomorrow. Can't wait to see how the kids look. And so glad that Woodley has been extended.
If you had to pick who to extend next year: Polomalu or Timmons?
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BeenHereAwhile Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:45:26pm |
re: #187 HappyWarrior
"Yep, and his old man was governor of Michigan too. And his dad had to deal with the government when he was chair of GM."
American Motors, George Romney was head of American Motors.
Best known (during G Romney's time) for the Rambler.
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Digital Display Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:45:55pm |
re: #347 HappyWarrior
For what? Surprised he looked good. Heard he was the third stringer at one point in camp. Steelers play Redskins tomorrow. Can't wait to see how the kids look. And so glad that Woodley has been extended.
No he is #2 on the depth chart.. I have never seen a play like this...They had 3 penalties called on them in one play...First he crossed the line of scrimmage and everything went to shit from there.. But that wasn't the most amazing thing..All three penalties were declined and the Bronco's had to kick on 4th down...Weird game...This off-season lock out has really changed the game and increased injuries..
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:46:40pm |
re: #355 BeenHereAwhile
re: #187 HappyWarrior
"Yep, and his old man was governor of Michigan too. And his dad had to deal with the government when he was chair of GM."
American Motors, George Romney was head of American Motors.
Best known (during G Romney's time) for the Rambler.
Ah my bad.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:48:02pm |
re: #352 ggt
Until Herbert Hoover comes back with a pack of crocs, or Teddy comes back with a pack of rabid space lions, I will continue not to give a crap about White House pets.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:48:26pm |
re: #354 Atlas Fails
If you had to pick who to extend next year: Polomalu or Timmons?
Damn that's tough dude since Polamalu is my favorite guy on the whole team. But long range thinking, I'd go with Timmons. Dude has a chance to be the best linebacker on the team and that's saying something given that we have Wood, Harrison, and the others. Plus he's only 25 and Troy just hit 30. Though on the other hand, we develop linebackers better than we do safeties and Troy truly has been a once in gen type guy for the D.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:49:36pm |
I will respect the first man who decides to get a monkey as White House pet. I mean imagine using the monkey to deal with Congress. He'd fling bananas if the opposition annoyed the president. Sorry, I just love the chimps. Wonderful animals and a true credit to the beauty of evolution.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:49:45pm |
re: #353 HappyWarrior
Means Teddy Roosevelt's out of the running. From what I understand, th Roosevelt White House was quite the zoo. I think I may have read that Lewis and Clark gave Jefferson a bear if I am not mistaken.
Zoo's are different. Very multispecial -multispecies-al
Very Diverse --
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:51:15pm |
re: #358 Slumbering Behemoth
Until Herbert Hoover comes back with a pack of crocs, or Teddy comes back with a pack of rabid space lions, I will continue not to give a crap about White House pets.
Somewhere, sometime, it was written that it is important for the POTUS to have a dog. Because, the dog is the only entity he can truly trust. That is important for a leader.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:51:37pm |
re: #360 HappyWarrior
I will respect the first man who decides to get a monkey as White House pet. I mean imagine using the monkey to deal with Congress. He'd fling bananas if the opposition annoyed the president. Sorry, I just love the chimps. Wonderful animals and a true credit to the beauty of evolution.
Yeah. Bananas. If they're lucky.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:52:10pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:52:44pm |
re: #362 ggt
I'll take the rabid space lions, thank you.
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Atlas Fails Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:53:02pm |
Speaking of religion, anyone notice Cain's answer to his assertion about Romney's Mormon "problem" in the south? Talk about being backed into a corner. He had to either call the voters he's courting bigots or agree with their bigotry. His answer, that they didn't know if Mormonism had values compatible with their Protestant faith, was mind-boggling dumb. Fuck those people and the candidates who pander to their ignorance.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:53:12pm |
re: #366 Slumbering Behemoth
I'll take the rabid space lions, thank you.
really, can't they get rabies shots?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:54:06pm |
re: #367 Atlas Fails
Speaking of religion, anyone notice Cain's answer to his assertion about Romney's Mormon "problem" in the south? Talk about being backed into a corner. He had to either call the voters he's courting bigots or agree with their bigotry. His answer, that they didn't know if Mormonism had values compatible with their Protestant faith, was mind-boggling dumb. Fuck those people and the candidates who pander to their ignorance.
I may be a dumb Catholic here, but isn't Mormonism a Protestant Faith?
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:55:45pm |
re: #369 ggt
I may be a dumb Catholic here, but isn't Mormonism a Protestant Faith?
I thought so too. But then again whenever I see religious demographics, Mormonism is given its own category like Catholicism and Orthodoxy.
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Atlas Fails Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:55:56pm |
re: #369 ggt
I may be a dumb Catholic here, but isn't Mormonism a Protestant Faith?
No one's ever accused Herman Cain of being a theologian.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:56:54pm |
Ok, I guess Mormons are really Zionists?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:58:53pm |
re: #368 ggt
really, can't they get rabies shots?
I like them rabid.
Andrew Jackson was known as "Old Hickory" for whompin' on folks with his hickory cane.
With my rabid space lions, if I were elected President, I would be known as "Old OMFG! IT'S EATING MY FACE! MAKE IT STOP!"
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:59:05pm |
re: #370 HappyWarrior
I thought so too. But then again whenever I see religious demographics, Mormonism is given its own category like Catholicism and Orthodoxy.
I thought it boiled down to those that follow the Pope and Those that Don't. But Orthodoxy doesn't, but is still considered Catholic, sacraments interchangeable, etc.
Anglican is considered Catholic, don't follow the Pope, and was created separately and for different reasons that Lutherans etc.
It's all so confusing
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 9:59:53pm |
re: #373 Slumbering Behemoth
I like them rabid.
Andrew Jackson was known as "Old Hickory" for whompin' on folks with his hickory cane.
With my rabid space lions, if I were elected President, I would be known as "Old OMFG! IT'S EATING MY FACE! MAKE IT STOP!"
idk, Behemoth, I think you are being unusually cruel to the Space Lions.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:01:35pm |
re: #375 ggt
Fuck you, hippie!
/
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:01:46pm |
re: #374 ggt
I thought it boiled down to those that follow the Pope and Those that Don't. But Orthodoxy doesn't, but is still considered Catholic, sacraments interchangeable, etc.
Anglican is considered Catholic, don't follow the Pope, and was created separately and for different reasons that Lutherans etc.
It's all so confusing
It's all very confusing. And then there's the Eastern Rite Catholics like what my grandmother on my mom's side was before she converted to RCC. They're in league with Rome but yet their priests can marry. I did like the deacon's explanation of why they cross themselves right to left and the church throws a terrific Slavic American festival with good food.
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Atlas Fails Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:03:02pm |
re: #374 ggt
My grandfather was a lapsed Episcopalian (Anglican.) From what I understand, they consider themselves "catholic" with a small "c," as in universal. Since they don't practice the sacraments or follow the pope, they don't consider themselves members of the big "C" Catholic Church. The Catholic Church only allows Catholics and Orthodox to receive communion, so they must not consider Anglicans to be part of the church.
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Gus Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:03:52pm |
:) I've got a Sikh and new Muslim follower on Twitter. Anywho. Don't get the new Twitter interface much.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:05:35pm |
re: #374 ggt
I thought it boiled down to those that follow the Pope and Those that Don't. But Orthodoxy doesn't, but is still considered Catholic, sacraments interchangeable, etc.
Anglican is considered Catholic, don't follow the Pope, and was created separately and for different reasons that Lutherans etc.
It's all so confusing
Well, no. Us anglicans/episcopalians are protestants by the book. We refused to accept Rome so we're just as big of heathens as those variations on anabaptist that Perry likes. Now there are those of us, like me, who chose to keep 99% of the old Roman Catholic cerimonial while being theologically Protestant and that tends to confuse things :D
I'm theologically radical and liturgically reactionary & within the Anglican Tradition. Make of that what you will :LOL: I just know I need to kneel down and light some candles in front of a crucifix come Sunday.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:06:41pm |
re: #378 Atlas Fails
My grandfather was a lapsed Episcopalian (Anglican.) From what I understand, they consider themselves "catholic" with a small "c," as in universal. Since they don't practice the sacraments or follow the pope, they don't consider themselves members of the big "C" Catholic Church. The Catholic Church only allows Catholics and Orthodox to receive communion, so they must not consider Anglicans to be part of the church.
hmmm, I thought Anglicans could receive communion and marriage, baptism etc were interchangeable.
I just tried to do a google and found there is also an Anglican Rite Roman Catholic Church.
I gave-up
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Gus Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:08:07pm |
If you're free tonight thank a philosopher or scientist for your freedom.
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engineer cat Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:08:26pm |
romney would make a good candidate for president in the universe of the donna reed show, my three sons, and the price is right
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:09:00pm |
Well, according to the current crop of GOP candidates, we are all going to hell for not believing what they believe.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:09:24pm |
re: #385 engineer dog
romney would make a good candidate for president in the universe of the donna reed show, my three sons, and the price is right
More people live there than you can imagine.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:09:45pm |
re: #384 Gus 802
If you're free tonight thank a philosopher or scientist for your freedom.
I tend to thank the Soldiers, myself.
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engineer cat Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:10:11pm |
teevee says perry will fire up the tea party base
they already seemed pretty fired up to me. maybe they'll explode
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:11:10pm |
re: #384 Gus 802
If you're free tonight thank a philosopher or scientist for your freedom.
And in the way back, when such ideas were germinating, the philosophers and scientists tended to be clergy. They were the few who could read and write.
xcepting Galileo and such . . .
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:11:51pm |
re: #382 ggt
hmmm, I thought Anglicans could receive communion and marriage, baptism etc were interchangeable.
I just tried to do a google and found there is also an Anglican Rite Roman Catholic Church.
I gave-up
Nope. We have to be "received" by Rome before they work for us :)
Any baptized person is welcome at my church. And "don't ask don't tell" is fine too, just don't embarrass the elders. Somehow given the stories I've been told about who he hung out with, I can't imagine that rabbi from Nazareth getting too worked up about the issue, especially if he thought you'd be helped by it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:12:40pm |
re: #353 HappyWarrior
Means Teddy Roosevelt's out of the running. From what I understand, th Roosevelt White House was quite the zoo. I think I may have read that Lewis and Clark gave Jefferson a bear if I am not mistaken.
John Quincy Adams had an alligator.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:12:49pm |
re: #392 wlewisiii
Nope. We have to be "received" by Rome before they work for us :)
Any baptized person is welcome at my church. And "don't ask don't tell" is fine too, just don't embarrass the elders. Somehow given the stories I've been told about who he hung out with, I can't imagine that rabbi from Nazareth getting too worked up about the issue, especially if he thought you'd be helped by it.
Yeah, I don't think he was much of an dominionist, or egotist.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:13:14pm |
Not that I mind but what's Cain's religion? I assume some kind of conservative Protestant sect?
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darthstar Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:13:34pm |
Watching a Barbara Streisand special on PBS right now...from 2011...she's totally lost her voice (then again, she's 69 years old now).
Still, it's sad watching her try to breathe her lyrics out...
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:13:49pm |
re: #362 ggt
Somewhere, sometime, it was written that it is important for the POTUS to have a dog. Because, the dog is the only entity he can truly trust. That is important for a leader.
I firmly believe that the Bush's dog bit that reporter because he could feel how tense Bush was getting when the press approached.
Dogs can sense that shit, and they don't like it.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:15:04pm |
re: #395 HappyWarrior
Not that I mind but what's Cain's religion? I assume some kind of conservative Protestant sect?
National Baptist according to Wiki.
Baptist have more sects . . .
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engineer cat Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:15:23pm |
thank g-d us hebrews don't come in mutually hostile sects
judaism only comes in flavors of extra strong, strong, medium, light, and diet
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:15:37pm |
re: #369 ggt
I may be a dumb Catholic here, but isn't Mormonism a Protestant Faith?
I think they generally are considered to shade off into Something of Their Own, due to additional scriptures and extra prophets and such.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:16:53pm |
re: #398 ggt
National Baptist according to Wiki.
Baptist have more sects . . .
Thanks. Yeah, from what I understand the Baptists split on the whole slavery issue during the Civil War. I believe the Methodists did as well.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:17:26pm |
re: #397 SanFranciscoZionist
I firmly believe that the Bush's dog bit that reporter because he could feel how tense Bush was getting when the press approached.
Dogs can sense that shit, and they don't like it.
How are the whippets?
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:19:21pm |
the interesting thing I've heard is about really conservative Christians of all sects converting to Orthodoxy because they feel it is the most true. I hear they're extremely conservative on dogmatic matters but I always thought their churches were cool looking. The one they had the wedding in the Deer Hunter for example was beautiful. Always liked St. Basil's in Moscow since its domes reminded as a kid of the circus when I saw photos of it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:19:38pm |
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:20:13pm |
re: #399 engineer dog
thank g-d us hebrews don't come in mutually hostile sects
judaism only comes in flavors of extra strong, strong, medium, light, and diet
A joke I first heard from a very devout Conservative Jewish friend of mine:
The Ultra Orthodox says "Happy Hannukah"
The Orthodox says "Happy Hannukah"
The Conservative says "Happy Hannukah"
The Liberal says "Happy Hannukah"
The Ultra Liberal says "Merry Christmass"
Hopefully I am included in that last.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:21:10pm |
re: #405 wlewisiii
A joke I first heard from a very devout Conservative Jewish friend of mine:
The Ultra Orthodox says "Happy Hannukah"
The Orthodox says "Happy Hannukah"
The Conservative says "Happy Hannukah"
The Liberal says "Happy Hannukah"
The Ultra Liberal says "Merry Christmass"Hopefully I am included in that last.
Catholics usually just say:
Where's the bar?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:22:11pm |
re: #404 SanFranciscoZionist
Yes. This is something I know a little about because Mormon SCA members sometimes need to plan what period of clothing they like around what covers the garments.
I am so beyond wanting anyone telling me what underwear to wear . . . if any.
I'd never qualify.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:22:54pm |
re: #406 ggt
Catholics usually just say:
Where's the bar?
There is truth there. My favorite wedding was a catholic boy and jewish girl. Imagine the best of both sides in a feast? That's what we had that day and night. Truly god blessed and glorious.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:23:04pm |
re: #395 HappyWarrior
Not that I mind but what's Cain's religion? I assume some kind of conservative Protestant sect?
According to Wiki he is a National Baptist.
How that different from any other kind of Baptist, I could not tell you. All I know is that one of my high school friends became an American Baptist instead of a Southern Baptist when the Southern Baptist Convention got weird on Disney.
Last I checked she was a Congregationalist, but I don't think that had anything to do with Disney. She's just looking for a church where the emphasis is on how right Jesus rather than how wrong homosexuality is.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:24:01pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:24:27pm |
re: #409 SanFranciscoZionist
According to Wiki he is a National Baptist.
How that different from any other kind of Baptist, I could not tell you. All I know is that one of my high school friends became an American Baptist instead of a Southern Baptist when the Southern Baptist Convention got weird on Disney.
Last I checked she was a Congregationalist, but I don't think that had anything to do with Disney. She's just looking for a church where the emphasis is on how right Jesus rather than how wrong homosexuality is.
I looked-up the Wiki. National Baptists are AA, formed in 1880. It didn't state their position on current issues.
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engineer cat Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:24:42pm |
re: #405 wlewisiii
A joke I first heard from a very devout Conservative Jewish friend of mine:
The Ultra Orthodox says "Happy Hannukah"
The Orthodox says "Happy Hannukah"
The Conservative says "Happy Hannukah"
The Liberal says "Happy Hannukah"
The Ultra Liberal says "Merry Christmass"Hopefully I am included in that last.
i was tempted to put DFH at the end of the list. we might be more likely to say "have a decadent and immoral saturnalia!"
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:25:06pm |
re: #409 SanFranciscoZionist
According to Wiki he is a National Baptist.
How that different from any other kind of Baptist, I could not tell you. All I know is that one of my high school friends became an American Baptist instead of a Southern Baptist when the Southern Baptist Convention got weird on Disney.
Last I checked she was a Congregationalist, but I don't think that had anything to do with Disney. She's just looking for a church where the emphasis is on how right Jesus rather than how wrong homosexuality is.
The Baptists are an interesting bunch. Their reputation is for being conservative but from what I understand, the minister who wrote the Pledge of Alligence was a Baptist minister as well as a Christian socialist. And then there's MLK of course too.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:25:09pm |
re: #412 engineer dog
i was tempted to put DFH at the end of the list. we might be more likely to say "have a decadent and immoral saturnalia!"
DFH?
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:26:08pm |
re: #412 engineer dog
i was tempted to put DFH at the end of the list. we might be more likely to say "have a decadent and immoral saturnalia!"
Works for me. I'm in the "everyone gets the version of god they see" camp anyway. Universalism is fun that way.
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engineer cat Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:26:11pm |
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:26:16pm |
re: #408 wlewisiii
There is truth there. My favorite wedding was a catholic boy and jewish girl. Imagine the best of both sides in a feast? That's what we had that day and night. Truly god blessed and glorious.
Latkes= awesome. Tried a potato knish at a baseball game a couple years back and man that was good.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:27:23pm |
re: #416 engineer dog
Dirty Fucking Hippie
where's your intertubes acronym decoder page, d00d?
I have one of those?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:28:53pm |
re: #407 ggt
I am so beyond wanting anyone telling me what underwear to wear . . . if any.
Interest. Increased.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:29:08pm |
re: #413 HappyWarrior
The Baptists are an interesting bunch. Their reputation is for being conservative but from what I understand, the minister who wrote the Pledge of Alligence was a Baptist minister as well as a Christian socialist. And then there's MLK of course too.
There are a lot of Baptists of all sorts.
Now, the joke that never gets old when discussing Christian sects, from Emo Phillips:
Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"
He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?"
He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?"
He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?"
He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?"
He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"
"Northern Conservative†Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912."
And I said, "Die, heretic!", and I pushed him off the bridge.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:31:20pm |
When I was a kid my dad would say, "Emo, do you believe in the Lord?" I'd say, "Yes!" He'd say, "Then stand up and shout Hallelujah!" So I would ... and I'd fall out of the roller coaster
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engineer cat Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:31:38pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:31:54pm |
re: #373 Slumbering Behemoth
I like them rabid.
Andrew Jackson was known as "Old Hickory" for whompin' on folks with his hickory cane.
With my rabid space lions, if I were elected President, I would be known as "Old OMFG! IT'S EATING MY FACE! MAKE IT STOP!"
Unless you brought Old Hickory forward in time. In which case he's crush your space lions without breaking sweat. :D
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:31:58pm |
re: #420 SanFranciscoZionist
There are a lot of Baptists of all sorts.
Now, the joke that never gets old when discussing Christian sects, from Emo Phillips:
Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"
He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?"
He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?"
He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?"
He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?"
He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"
"Northern Conservative†Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912."
And I said, "Die, heretic!", and I pushed him off the bridge.
Haha that's a good one. But yeah their history isn't something I am too familiar with truthfully since the Baptists have been by and large a pretty American sect and most my historical studies involve Europe where their numbers are more small. I believe they started in Germany as dissident Protestants if I am not mistaken.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:32:06pm |
At my Aunt's Visitation, they published that there would be a (whatever they call it) of the Rosary. ALL THREE TIMES AROUND.
My other Aunt had extra rosaries for those of us who might need one (the ones she knew didn't carry one around).
OMG! You cannot imagine the boredom.
A couple of the participants were really into it --trance like. The rest were reciting from memory and going thru the motions like robots.
I just sat there, wondering if there was some non-insulting to the recently deceased way I could leave.
And people wonder why I had to get sober . . .
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:33:31pm |
re: #416 engineer dog
Dirty Fucking Hippie
where's your intertubes acronym decoder page, d00d?
Take a shower, Hippie! We'll never let you form your drum circle!
/
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:33:54pm |
re: #425 ggt
At my Aunt's Visitation, they published that there would be a (whatever they call it) of the Rosary. ALL THREE TIMES AROUND.
My other Aunt had extra rosaries for those of us who might need one (the ones she knew didn't carry one around).
OMG! You cannot imagine the boredom.
A couple of the participants were really into it --trance like. The rest were reciting from memory and going thru the motions like robots.
I just sat there, wondering if there was some non-insulting to the recently deceased way I could leave.
And people wonder why I had to get sober . . .
I enjoy rosaries...but I'm odd.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:34:12pm |
re: #424 HappyWarrior
Haha that's a good one. But yeah their history isn't something I am too familiar with truthfully since the Baptists have been by and large a pretty American sect and most my historical studies involve Europe where their numbers are more small. I believe they started in Germany as dissident Protestants if I am not mistaken.
A lot of the religious make-up of the country depended on who was most zealous in their missionary work.
After the Civil War, the Protestants won the cake for signing-up more former slaves.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:34:36pm |
re: #423 Dark_Falcon
Unless you brought Old Hickory forward in time. In which case he's crush your space lions without breaking sweat. :D
But... they're rabid. Rabid.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:35:27pm |
re: #427 SanFranciscoZionist
I enjoy rosaries...but I'm odd.
OMG,
I'm good with 1 word mantras.
Rosaries, too much to remember.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:35:45pm |
Sorry I was out for so long, but I was getting an important paper for my medical issues in order. When dealing with HR, things need to be perfect, and with my best friend's help, this paper is perfect.
But I'm back now.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:36:38pm |
re: #428 ggt
A lot of the religious make-up of the country depended on who was most zealous in their missionary work.
After the Civil War, the Protestants won the cake for signing-up more former slaves.
Yeah this is true. All my immigrant ancestors were Catholics of some kind though. Heck even had a great uncle on my Dad's side who was a priest and Army chaplain in WWII. Never knew him and I can't imagine what he went through in the Battle of the Bulge.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:37:01pm |
re: #420 SanFranciscoZionist
Yep, though up north here it's Lutherans at each other's throats that way. Only a small variety of Baptists.
Then again there is always the wide variety in the Episcopal church. We go from buildings that would make a whitewashed Baptist salt box look baroque to churches that would make the Sistine Chapel look plain. Our liturgical practice varies by the same amounts. And despite all the schismatic squeals you'll hear in the mainstream press, we still hang together for the most part, arguing like a family does. I prefer the variety, myself. It's a wee bit closer to god that any one single take ever could be.
Such, as they say, is life.
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Kragar Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:37:21pm |
re: #430 ggt
OMG,
I'm good with 1 word mantras.
Rosaries, too much to remember.
"Owa...Tanas...Siam..."
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:37:56pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:38:05pm |
re: #429 Slumbering Behemoth
But... they're rabid. Rabid.
Andrew Jackson was so tough that his white blood cells only had touch a virus to kill it. Rabies wouldn't even faze Jackson, the Chuck Norris of his day.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:38:06pm |
re: #431 Dark_Falcon
Sorry I was out for so long, but I was getting an important paper for my medical issues in order. When dealing with HR, things need to be perfect, and with my best friend's help, this paper is perfect.
But I'm back now.
Again... everyone knows Luke Skywalker turned to the Dark Side long ago. Why you trust him is beyond me. He will only take you down with him in the long run.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:38:25pm |
re: #427 SanFranciscoZionist
I do anglican beads. Not as long ;)
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:38:55pm |
re: #432 HappyWarrior
Yeah this is true. All my immigrant ancestors were Catholics of some kind though. Heck even had a great uncle on my Dad's side who was a priest and Army chaplain in WWII. Never knew him and I can't imagine what he went through in the Battle of the Bulge.
101st Airborne, 10th Armored, or another unit?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:40:53pm |
re: #438 wlewisiii
I do anglican beads. Not as long ;)
One BIG bead and a crucifix, You just say the Lord's Prayer once?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:42:18pm |
re: #437 Slumbering Behemoth
Again... everyone knows Luke Skywalker turned to the Dark Side long ago. Why you trust him is beyond me. He will only take you down with him in the long run.
I don't name my friend due to forum rules but also because on some political matters he is much closer to the Tea Party than I am. So I'm careful in talking about him so as not to bother folks here or to advance contentions I can't back up due to forum rules.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:42:34pm |
re: #436 Dark_Falcon
Chuck is a punk. He quivered in the face of Lee's flapping scapulas.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:42:37pm |
re: #439 Dark_Falcon
101st Airborne, 10th Armored, or another unit?
I wish I knew DF since I remember seeing the Band of Brothers Bastogne episode and thought about the off possibility of him encountering Dick Winters and E Company. He died before I was born though and from what I know he talked little about his experiences since it was what led to his alcoholism.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:43:59pm |
re: #443 HappyWarrior
I wish I knew DF since I remember seeing the Band of Brothers Bastogne episode and thought about the off possibility of him encountering Dick Winters and E Company. He died before I was born though and from what I know he talked little about his experiences since it was what led to his alcoholism.
I think you can request his records thru the Freedom of Information Act. My husband tried for his father, but they were lost in a fire or something.
I think the repository is in St. Louis.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:45:45pm |
re: #440 ggt
One BIG bead and a crucifix, You just say the Lord's Prayer once?
Heh. 4 big ones, ten little ones between each, an extra big one & crucifix hanging off one end. I use the Agnus Dei for the big ones & the Kyrie for the little ones. Lords Prayer at either end.
It works for me. That's the nice thing about being a protestant ;)
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:46:29pm |
re: #444 ggt
I think you can request his records thru the Freedom of Information Act. My husband tried for his father, but they were lost in a fire or something.
I think the repository is in St. Louis.
That's a great idea, I'll look in to it. I've been doing on and off family research for years. And just last weekend I visited where my great great grandfather owned a blacksmith shop in Pittsburgh and where my grandfather lived when he began dating my Nana.
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Gus Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:46:47pm |
Tampa Knight. When I said "war mongers" it wasn't directed at you. I meant that in the general sense of my own frustrations in how we've become as a nation in the wake of 9/11. In the over militarization and militarist state we've created since then and even before that time. Our legacy as a nation and the never ending states of war since our founding. It had nothing to do with you or your friends.
I'm just at my wits end here having to give a smart salute every single day because of this. I've even been called a war monger myself on many an occasion since my teen years over 30 years ago. My tendency has always been towards the hawkish. But right now I'm just not feeling that any more. We need to divert our attention towards more peaceful ends once and for all. So when I see defensiveness about defense spending I just get frustrated.
And you want to know why I'm mad about this? I've seen a country literally become ruined because of its reaction to 9/11. A country that invaded Iraq under the false premise of nuclear weapons that saw nearly 5,000 American dead and over 100,000 Iraqi dead. At the same time it spent billions upon billions of dollars some of which remains to be accounted for. Then in Afghanistan we became allies with a nation and people that loath us in Pakistan. 20 billion going to Pakistan in all US Aid alone. Money that could have been spent here. Money that literally could have saved American lives. So while we were off there fighting the so called "good fight" we sacrificed American lives through money that was diverted from health care. Here we lay now broke with millions without work. Tent cities are not uncommon. All for avenging these deaths in this decades long (and more) endeavor.
In the end over 105,000 people died avenging the deaths of 3,000 Americans on 9/11. We invaded a country that while worthy of invasion had little to do with 9/11. We're continuing to sacrifice this nation on a never ending objective in Afghanistan where anti-Americanism still remains high much as it does in Pakistan. Beyond the thousands of lives there, we will end up spending close to 5 trillion dollars on Iraq and Afghanistan. Money that could have been used to help the American people instead and money that could be used to bolster a broken health care system -- even after health care reform -- that claims nearly 40,000 American lives per year.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:48:00pm |
re: #441 Dark_Falcon
I was only making a joke. Why so serious?
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Gus Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:48:10pm |
re: #443 HappyWarrior
I wish I knew DF since I remember seeing the Band of Brothers Bastogne episode and thought about the off possibility of him encountering Dick Winters and E Company. He died before I was born though and from what I know he talked little about his experiences since it was what led to his alcoholism.
Not Dick Winters. You mean Lewis Nixon. ;)
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:48:10pm |
re: #443 HappyWarrior
I wish I knew DF since I remember seeing the Band of Brothers Bastogne episode and thought about the off possibility of him encountering Dick Winters and E Company. He died before I was born though and from what I know he talked little about his experiences since it was what led to his alcoholism.
It was a very hard battle. The 10st and its supporting units faced some of the best field officers the Germans had left and had deal with German tactics at their best. The US force was able to adapt and beat these tactics, but the cost was high. The final major German assault before Bastogne was relieved destroyed an entire company of the 101st, which was lost when full battalion of panzergrenadiers hit them supported by 17 tanks (Mark IV's). Reserves and M18 Hellcat tank destroyers stemmed the breach, but it was still a very bloody day.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:48:17pm |
re: #444 ggt
I think you can request his records thru the Freedom of Information Act. My husband tried for his father, but they were lost in a fire or something.
I think the repository is in St. Louis.
There was a major fire at the repository in 1973. Major piles of records were lost - it was one of the biggest historical disasters in this nations history. So much was lost...
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:48:56pm |
re: #442 Slumbering Behemoth
Chuck is a punk. He quivered in the face of Lee's flapping scapulas.
Ya ever see Jackson's quote about his two regrets? Not shooting Henry Clay and hanging John Calhoun. Man, I love that. I mean I should hate Jackson because I despise what he did to the Native Americans but the man was tough as nails and one of this country's great generals. The Battle of New Orleans was the stuff legends are made of.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:49:44pm |
Money get's direct deposited at midnight.
Bills get paid at 12.45am.
The interwebs have made life easier, I just wish I didn't see they money get parsed out so quickly and completely.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:50:11pm |
re: #449 Gus 802
Not Dick Winters. You mean Lewis Nixon. ;)
Should have clarified Gus, it was my uncle that struggled with alcoholism. But yeah Nixon sure loved that scotch he drank. I want to try it for the sake of trying it even though the Irishman in me prefers his whiskey over scotch.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:50:49pm |
re: #450 Dark_Falcon
It was a very hard battle. The 10st and its supporting units faced some of the best field officers the Germans had left and had deal with German tactics at their best. The US force was able to adapt and beat these tactics, but the cost was high. The final major German assault before Bastogne was relieved destroyed an entire company of the 101st, which was lost when full battalion of panzergrenadiers hit them supported by 17 tanks (Mark IV's). Reserves and M18 Hellcat tank destroyers stemmed the breach, but it was still a very bloody day.
Yeah plus it was freezing cold outside. The courage those guys had. Man if I only had a muster of it.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:51:19pm |
re: #448 Slumbering Behemoth
I was only making a joke. Why so serious?
Don't do that so close to bedtime. Now I'm gonna have nightmares. Jeeze, what a face. Just watching her stare while waiting to answer questions to night was scary.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:51:55pm |
re: #450 Dark_Falcon
It was a very hard battle. The 10st and its supporting units faced some of the best field officers the Germans had left and had deal with German tactics at their best. The US force was able to adapt and beat these tactics, but the cost was high. The final major German assault before Bastogne was relieved destroyed an entire company of the 101st, which was lost when full battalion of panzergrenadiers hit them supported by 17 tanks (Mark IV's). Reserves and M18 Hellcat tank destroyers stemmed the breach, but it was still a very bloody day.
If you want to understand, in your heart, the battle of the Ardennes, then read this:
Alamo in the Ardennes: The Untold Story of the American Soldiers Who Made the Defense of Bastogne Possible by John C. McManus
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
Exquisite telling of their story.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:52:06pm |
re: #454 HappyWarrior
Should have clarified Gus, it was my uncle that struggled with alcoholism. But yeah Nixon sure loved that scotch he drank. I want to try it for the sake of trying it even though the Irishman in me prefers his whiskey over scotch.
Alot of WWII vets suffered. There was no treatment or counselling available and mental health issues were such a taboo.
Sometimes I think the legacy of war is really generations of dysfunctional families.
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freetoken Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:52:15pm |
re: #409 SanFranciscoZionist
According to Wiki he is a National Baptist.
How that different from any other kind of Baptist, I could not tell you.
It's a hold over from the slave era. As you well know, the Southern Baptists have a bit of a dodgy heritage, and African Americans who wanted to accept the general Baptist doctrines (anabaptist version of Protestantism) founded their own churches since some of the other anabaptist churches weren't so hot on having blacks.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:53:38pm |
re: #459 ggt
Alot of WWII vets suffered. There was no treatment or counselling available and mental health issues were such a taboo.
Sometimes I think the legacy of war is really generations of dysfunctional families.
Yeah, I think the movie Shutter Island did a nice job showing that. Can you imagine being one of the guys who was among the first to liberate the Concentration Camps? I mean I got goosebumps visiting Dachau in 2008 knowing what had happened there.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:56:19pm |
re: #461 HappyWarrior
Yeah, I think the movie Shutter Island did a nice job showing that. Can you imagine being one of the guys who was among the first to liberate the Concentration Camps? I mean I got goosebumps visiting Dachau in 2008 knowing what had happened there.
I couldn't even watch the "home movies" some of the soldiers took. They were aired on PBS years ago and I had to turn them off.
If I'd have been there I would have gone bat-shit and started killin' Germans.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:57:24pm |
I couldn't even handle standing on the ground at Gettysburg or at the site of Flight 93.
Both places, I just returned to the car and cried my eyes out.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:58:13pm |
re: #455 HappyWarrior
Yeah plus it was freezing cold outside. The courage those guys had. Man if I only had a muster of it.
You might. But thankfully you've never had to face a dire circumstance like that:
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 11:00:28pm |
re: #462 ggt
I couldn't even watch the "home movies" some of the soldiers took. They were aired on PBS years ago and I had to turn them off.
If I'd have been there I would have gone bat-shit and started killin' Germans.
Yeah, I know. It was really interesting for me at Dachau since the guy I was rooming with said he had family that was there. And when we were in Prague, that was where they had lived before the roundups began. I mean damn I had little goosebumps in Galway since I knew I was walking where my ancestors had walked but nothing even close to that.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 11:01:25pm |
re: #465 HappyWarrior
Yeah, I know. It was really interesting for me at Dachau since the guy I was rooming with said he had family that was there. And when we were in Prague, that was where they had lived before the roundups began. I mean damn I had little goosebumps in Galway since I knew I was walking where my ancestors had walked but nothing even close to that.
And here we are again, objectifying whole classes of humans because that is one of our human flaws.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 11:01:35pm |
The thing is ultimately history is all around us. There were tons of battles in the Civil War fought for Leesburg, Virginia which is two towns away from me. Just knowing how much history has happened before your eyes is a humbling thought.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Aug 11, 2011 11:03:09pm |
Good night all. Gotta get some sleep or I'll be paying for it in the morning when John gets up and wants Dad to play :D Take care all.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 11, 2011 11:04:17pm |
re: #463 ggt
I couldn't even handle standing on the ground at Gettysburg or at the site of Flight 93.
Both places, I just returned to the car and cried my eyes out.
I've been to the site of the Battle of New Orleans, and I've been past battle markers out east. I don't have that reaction, though. But I think you're a more complex and caring person than I am, GGT.
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Gus Thu, Aug 11, 2011 11:05:08pm |
re: #454 HappyWarrior
Should have clarified Gus, it was my uncle that struggled with alcoholism. But yeah Nixon sure loved that scotch he drank. I want to try it for the sake of trying it even though the Irishman in me prefers his whiskey over scotch.
OK. Thought you were talking about Nixon. Nixon was a drinker but lived a somewhat long life. Captain Sobel ended up attempting suicide by shooting himself but later died from those same wounds. Talbert drank himself to death and died alone and homeless I believe. Winters never drank and lived a long life in Pennsylvania where he died early this year. By and large most of them adjusted well or as much as they could. Myself, I prefer whiskey.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 11:06:41pm |
re: #469 Dark_Falcon
I've been to the site of the Battle of New Orleans, and I've been past battle markers out east. I don't have that reaction, though. But I think you're a more complex and caring person than I am, GGT.
Hubby and son didn't react that way either. They were to into the logistics of the Battle of Gettysburg and the terrain at Flight 93. Although the memorials at Flight 93 were worth seeing.
When you realize you are standing on ground that has been literally consecrated with blood (at Gettysburg it was 5000 or something huge), it's a little overwhelming.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 11:07:01pm |
re: #470 Gus 802
OK. Thought you were talking about Nixon. Nixon was a drinker but lived a somewhat long life. Captain Sobel ended up attempting suicide by shooting himself but later died from those same wounds. Talbert drank himself to death and died alone and homeless I believe. Winters never drank and lived a long life in Pennsylvania where he died early this year. By and large most of them adjusted well or as much as they could. Myself, I prefer whiskey.
Yeah, I heard about Winters' passing this winter. Was genuinely sad to hear that. Band of Brothers was my first real entrance in to WWII reading and TV. And it's even easier to relate to those guys now in my 20's then it was in my teens.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 11, 2011 11:12:56pm |
re: #472 HappyWarrior
Yeah, I heard about Winters' passing this winter. Was genuinely sad to hear that. Band of Brothers was my first real entrance in to WWII reading and TV. And it's even easier to relate to those guys now in my 20's then it was in my teens.
Well, at least Winters had the long and full life he such richly deserved. He was the nation's stalwart defender in war and its good citizen in peace. Men that good are hard to find.
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Gus Thu, Aug 11, 2011 11:13:42pm |
re: #472 HappyWarrior
Yeah, I heard about Winters' passing this winter. Was genuinely sad to hear that. Band of Brothers was my first real entrance in to WWII reading and TV. And it's even easier to relate to those guys now in my 20's then it was in my teens.
I read the book before I watched the series. We can thank Stephen Ambrose for this. Despite the criticism laid upon him. My interest was peaked while driving home from a work gig listening to him being interviewed on NPR. So I picked up a copy of Band of Brothers at Tattered Cover Book Store. I read several of his books. Including the one about Senator McGovern and his experience as a B-24 bomber pilot. That book was a hand me down from my ex-gf who refused to read it even though it was given to her by her mother. Her father was a B-24 pilot in WWII as well. Stud Terkel of course plays a major role in this since he preceded Ambrose in giving the phrase of "the last good war" to WWII. Tom Brokow's "The Greatest Generation" is also a good influence.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 11:14:02pm |
re: #473 Dark_Falcon
Well, at least Winters had the long and full life he such richly deserved. He was the nation's stalwart defender in war and its good citizen in peace. Men that good are hard to find.
Yeah, he was a true hero. Always amazed me though how humble he was in the interviews. Same thing with most of the guys.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 11:14:12pm |
National Cemeteries are overwhelming to me too.
White Headstones as far as the eye can see, all lined-up perfect.
That We, as a Nation, valued the actions of the deceased so much that we would create and maintain the cemeteries is pretty cool.
And, they are all over Europe, as well.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 11:14:54pm |
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Aug 11, 2011 11:15:13pm |
re: #469 Dark_Falcon
I've been to the site of the Battle of New Orleans, and I've been past battle markers out east. I don't have that reaction, though. But I think you're a more complex and caring person than I am, GGT.
The fact you can see that in yourself make you a better man than I, Gunga Din.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 11:17:49pm |
What's fun for me is reading 1st hand accounts of people at war. For a German history class I took, I had to read some letters that the German soldiers wrote to their loved ones and I think all but one of these guys never made it home. And when you first read the letters that are dated Summer 1914, there exists a great idealism about their cause but then as the war drags on and becomes the first truly modern war, you begin to see disillusionment in their writings. It was really moving stuff. One of my favorite novels is Remarque's All Quiet on the Western Front. The beauty of that novel to me is you forget by novel's end that Paul and his comrades were part of an Army that was our nation's enemy. Plus Remarque writes so movingly of the struggles of life and death too. Not a surprise at all that the Nazis censored him since they wanted to glamorize war. But I digress.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 11:18:17pm |
A girlfriend of mine said she visited on of the National Cemetaries in Europe and just sat down and cried.
I couldn't imagine being in a foreign country and seeing the graves of fellow citizens so exquisitely maintained.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 11:21:54pm |
I gotta sleep.
Have a great morning all!
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 11, 2011 11:23:21pm |
Yeah I am gonna call it a night too people. Night.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Aug 11, 2011 11:23:43pm |
I leave you with a happy pictures.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Aug 11, 2011 11:29:06pm |
re: #481 ggt
A girlfriend of mine said she visited on of the National Cemetaries in Europe and just sat down and cried.
I couldn't imagine being in a foreign country and seeing the graves of fellow citizens so exquisitely maintained.
The greatest lesson that can be - walk Gettysburg in something like real time with a good book in your hands. Then after that, read Sharra's fictional take on the battle.
And understand, deep down inside, that you and I are here talking about this today because of John F. Reynolds and John Buford on July 1, 1863.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:17:23am |
Morning honcos. (if available in your area)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:36:48am |
Riggins, 26, said she had no job, no income, lived with her mom and couldn't afford to pay anything for household expenses.
The judge asked if she had any money in the bank. Riggins' answer: $20,000.
This woman didn't cooperate with the police when her passenger shot 2 Tampa Cops and fled. I hope they bring the fuckin' hammer down on her.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
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AK-47% Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:43:40am |
re: #492 Cannadian Club Akbar
I was not aware that court-appointed lawyers are means-tested. I would assume that since the state has seen fit to press charges, it must also be willing to appoint a defense lawyer regardless of means.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:51:57am |
re: #493 ralphieboy
She'll get one. If she gets a private attorney to work on a sliding scale, so be it. (not sure if they do that) But if I were the judge, I'd give her a Public Defender (they don't have the time/resources of a private attorney. A public defender has about 450 cases as opposed to a private attorney) and then jack the fine she gets if (and when) found guilty. And freeze her account until the end of the trial.
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AK-47% Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:56:19am |
re: #494 Cannadian Club Akbar
It goes without saying that a private attorney is going to do a better job than an underpaid, overworked court-appointed attorney. But as i understand, the court cannot force someone to hire an attorney at their own expense if they are charged by the state.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:59:53am |
re: #496 ralphieboy
The whole idea of a public defender is for those who can't afford it. She has 20K in a bank. I think the judge is well within the bounds here.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:06:04am |
Holy crap. My friend posted this on FB. This may have been the actual start of the riots on the UK.
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AK-47% Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:06:16am |
re: #497 Cannadian Club Akbar
I have no sympathy for this woman, but there is a matter of principle at stake here: if the state is going to bring charges, it seems fair that it should offer a defense lawyer.
Although I cannot imagine it would be the case in this trial, there could be cases where the DA would bring charges out of personal or political reasons in order to cause financial harm to the accused party.
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RogueOne Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:09:03am |
re: #498 Cannadian Club Akbar
Holy crap. My friend posted this on FB. This may have been the actual start of the riots on the UK.
[Video]
Damn thugs
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AK-47% Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:10:20am |
re: #501 RogueOne
I saw this posted under "Riot scenes from Scotland". Which to date, has been spared any sort of large-scale rioting.
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RogueOne Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:11:09am |
re: #503 sattv4u2
How you doin' satt? Haven't seen you in awhile.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:12:17am |
re: #504 RogueOne
How you doin' satt? Haven't seen you in awhile.
Not bad
Work schedule flipped. I'm doing my 3-4 month stint on overnights
And you?
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RogueOne Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:12:24am |
The morning joe crew is giving the best grades to Bachmann and Romney last night. Anyone who didn't have to watch actually watch the debate?
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sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:13:04am |
re: #506 RogueOne
The morning joe crew is giving the best grades to Bachmann and Romney last night. Anyone who didn't have to watch actually watch the debate?
I was blissfully napping prior to having to come into work
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RogueOne Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:13:08am |
re: #505 sattv4u2
Not bad
Work schedule flipped. I'm doing my 3-4 month stint on overnights
And you?
Still busy. Busy enough that I have to work this weekend again.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:14:40am |
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RogueOne Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:19:08am |
re: #509 sattv4u2
Busy's good!
Compared to the option of no work at all, I guess so..//
I'm building a bigger version of one of these this weekend and mounting it to one of my weld rigs:
[Link: www.northerntool.com...]
1/2 of my business is fabricating/installing 8'x6' gates that weigh around 350lbs a piece. The crane will turn it into a 1 man job instead of 3.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:24:01am |
re: #510 RogueOne
Compared to the option of no work at all, I guess so..//
I'm building a bigger version of one of these this weekend and mounting it to one of my weld rigs:
[Link: www.northerntool.com...]1/2 of my business is fabricating/installing 8'x6' gates that weigh around 350lbs a piece. The crane will turn it into a 1 man job instead of 3.
I had something similar to that when I was installing 10-12 foot satellite dishes on bars/restaurants/homes
It would strap on to the pole that holds the dish, and the hook/cable would attach to the back ring of the dish. Winch it up till the collar of the dish was over the top of the pole, gently position the two together then slowly lower
Without it, it would take 3-4 guys to lift and position the dish over the pole
[Link: www.satelliteguys.us...]
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sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:28:01am |
re: #510 RogueOne
Here's a better photo of one attached to the pole (scroll down ,, 1st of three photos)
[Link: www.satelliteguys.us...]
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sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:31:24am |
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Shiplord Kirel Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:33:43am |
Ooh! We had 1.8 inches of rain last night at my house. This is 50% more than the total for the entire year before yesterday (1.2 inches). There was a massive amount of lightning. A couple of houses and an apartment complex caught fire. There was also some flooding. This is usual in Lubbock given the city's abysmal drainage system. There is an intersection here (50th and Avenue A) that floods to a depth of 4 feet in heavy rain. It has done this for 60 years and nothing has been done about it. An intersection near my house, 34th and Memphis, floods over the curb if it rains for five minutes, even though it is just 600 yards from a playa lake that is 25 feet lower in elevation.
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RogueOne Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:35:04am |
re: #511 sattv4u2
I was wondering last night, is satellite tv still a growing industry? I haven't looked at the numbers in years. The reason I'm wondering is I'm sick of the NFLs deal with DirectTV for the NFL sunday ticket. I have cable and I want to be able to watch every game too. It's unfair, I'm writing my congressman.
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RogueOne Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:37:19am |
re: #512 sattv4u2
Here's a better photo of one attached to the pole (scroll down ,, 1st of three photos)
[Link: www.satelliteguys.us...]
That looks like one of those old school dishes. Massive.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:37:24am |
re: #515 RogueOne
Doesn't your cable system have some kind of NFL Ticket?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:38:29am |
Oh goody. The Bucs play tonight. Time to wash my jersey!!!!
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RogueOne Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:38:49am |
re: #517 Cannadian Club Akbar
Doesn't your cable system have some kind of NFL Ticket?
No. Comcast has the NFL Redzone station which is sort of nice. They show live updates of every game where a team is in the redzone. It's like they're flipping through the stations for you.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:40:57am |
re: #515 RogueOne
I was wondering last night, is satellite tv still a growing industry? I haven't looked at the numbers in years. The reason I'm wondering is I'm sick of the NFLs deal with DirectTV for the NFL sunday ticket. I have cable and I want to be able to watch every game too. It's unfair, I'm writing my congressman.
Been awhile (about a decade, actually) since I've been a direct to home (read; DIRECT TV/ DISH NETWORK/ Big Ugly Dish) satellite dish retailer/installer/service tech, so I haven't looked at the numbers in almost that long
I would say it probably plateaued especially with some cable providers now able to do movies on demand, expanded sports channels and discounted bundled packages (AT&T bundles home phone/ cell phone/ high speed internet/ AT&T U Verse TV)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:41:38am |
re: #519 RogueOne
No. Comcast has the NFL Redzone station which is sort of nice. They show live updates of every game where a team is in the redzone. It's like they're flipping through the stations for you.
[Link: gamerewind.nfl.com...]
$40??? There ya go!!!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:43:59am |
re: #521 Cannadian Club Akbar
Know what? That might not actually be live.
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RogueOne Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:44:23am |
re: #520 sattv4u2
Been awhile (about a decade, actually) since I've been a direct to home (read; DIRECT TV/ DISH NETWORK/ Big Ugly Dish) satellite dish retailer/installer/service tech, so I haven't looked at the numbers in almost that long
I would say it probably plateaued especially with some cable providers now able to do movies on demand, expanded sports channels and discounted bundled packages (AT&T bundles home phone/ cell phone/ high speed internet/ AT&T U Verse TV)
That's what I would think too. 10 years ago you couldn't get cable if you lived in the boonies, now it's everywhere. It's faster, better quality, you don't lose a signal if it rains, it's obviously the better choice. Plus, they put food on my table. If you don't have cable you're trying to starve me, why do people hate me so much?
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RogueOne Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:46:38am |
re: #522 Cannadian Club Akbar
Know what? That might not actually be live.
Good question. Why would you need picture-in-picture though if it wasn't live?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:47:16am |
re: #523 RogueOne
I went a couple years without cable. But that was before I knew you. Now that I know you, I'll shoot for 5 years.
/
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sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:47:24am |
re: #516 RogueOne
That looks like one of those old school dishes. Massive.
Thats a 10 foot (diameter) mesh. Total weight was less than 125 lbs but because of the size you couldn't mount it on the pole yourself
We were installing 7.5 footers when I got out of the business that you COULD lift and mount solo (as long as the pole was no higher then your shoulders)
When I started, because of the less powerful satellites at the time, up in New England we had to use 12 foot solid dishes to get good pictures off all birds. As the satellites were replaced, and as the electronics at the end of the dish improved, dish sizes dropped (I actually had some success with 4.5 foot mesh dishes)
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RogueOne Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:53:08am |
Local political sex scandal:
Email rendezvous entangles state Rep. Phillip Hinkle
Lawmaker calls encounter set up with young man on Craigslist a 'shakedown'
[Link: www.indystar.com...]
Emails shared with The Indianapolis Star suggest that state Rep. Phillip Hinkle -- responding to a local posting on Craigslist -- offered a young man $80 plus tip to spend time with him Saturday night at the JW Marriott hotel.The emails, sent from Hinkle's publicly listed personal address, ask the young man for "a couple hours of your time tonight" and offer him cash up front, with a tip of up to $50 or $60 "for a really good time."
The email exchange is in response to the Craigslist posting in which the young man -- who lists his age as 20 in the ad but says he is 18 years old -- says, "I need a sugga daddy."
The young man told The Star that they met, but that he tried to leave after the man told him he was a state lawmaker. He said the lawmaker at first told him he could not leave, grabbed him in the rear, exposed himself to the young man and then later gave him an iPad, BlackBerry cellphone and $100 cash to keep quiet.
$50? That's not much sugar...that's more like a nutrasweet date.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:54:08am |
re: #523 RogueOne
That's what I would think too. 10 years ago you couldn't get cable if you lived in the boonies, now it's everywhere. It's faster, better quality, you don't lose a signal if it rains, it's obviously the better choice. Plus, they put food on my table. If you don't have cable you're trying to starve me, why do people hate me so much?
Doesn't matter to me
We provide services to both satellite AND cable systems
If you (or anyone) has DISH NETWORK, all the (old) Turner stations (CNN/ Headline news/ TBS/ TNT/ Cartoon Network/ Turner Classic Movies) come into this facility via fiber, then we combine them and send them via satellite to be taken down in Mt Jackson WV where they (Dish Net) re-send those (along with all their other channels) to their satellites
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:55:54am |
This is NSFW, but as I always do, I'm rooting for the animal. GO BULL!!!
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
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sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:03:52am |
re: #529 Cannadian Club Akbar
This is NSFW, but as I always do, I'm rooting for the animal. GO BULL!!!
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
At least he got a free circumcision as well as a prostate check!
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sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:05:01am |
re: #529 Cannadian Club Akbar
This is NSFW, but as I always do, I'm rooting for the animal. GO BULL!!!
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
in a twist on Spanish tradition, the show at the Colombian town of Fundacion allows audience members to enter the ring to face the bulls themselves
Who thought THAT would be a good idea!?!?!?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:05:59am |
re: #530 sattv4u2
At least he got a free circumcision as well as a prostate check!
There was no better video then the one where the bull pulled off the dudes pants and had his skivies dangling from his horns. Heh.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:06:52am |
re: #531 sattv4u2
in a twist on Spanish tradition, the show at the Colombian town of Fundacion allows audience members to enter the ring to face the bulls themselves
Who thought THAT would be a good idea!?!?!?
The guy selling beer outside.
/
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sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:07:31am |
re: #532 Cannadian Club Akbar
There was no better video then the one where the bull pulled off the dudes pants and had his skivies dangling from his horns. Heh.
Debbie Does Dallas was a better video!
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RogueOne Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:12:22am |
Someone else posted this yesterday but I can't find it to give proper credit:
Pa. judge gets 28 years in "kids for cash" case
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]
Good news.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:12:32am |
I hope all you people who pay bills online and send email instead of written letters feel good about yourselves.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
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RogueOne Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:14:57am |
re: #536 Cannadian Club Akbar
I hope all you people who pay bills online and send email instead of written letters feel good about yourselves.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
They've only lost $17 billion in the last 2 years. Efficiency!
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RogueOne Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:15:35am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:16:24am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:16:32am |
re: #536 Cannadian Club Akbar
Sacred cows are the only cows I eat.
The should have killed Saturday delivery years ago.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:17:54am |
re: #536 Cannadian Club Akbar
I hope all you people who pay bills online and send email instead of written letters feel good about yourselves.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
Simple ideas could save some money
A) we don't need mail delivered 6 days a week
B) instead of this incremental 1-2 cent at a time raise in the price of stamps, make it a dollar. Thats still FAR cheaper than UPS/Fed Ex et al
C) Expand the reta8il/ service l capabilities. Some offices have to an extent, but they should offer full service like a UPS Store does
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:18:10am |
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RogueOne Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:19:27am |
In case you haven't read it, the latest Balko piece on Huffington Post:
Leigh Stubbs, Mississippi Woman, Serving 44-Year Sentence Despite Discredited Testimony
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
Prosecutors in the U.S. often decry what is sometimes called the "CSI Effect." Movies and TV crime dramas like the popular "CSI" franchise on CBS can fill jurors' heads with unrealistic expectations about forensic science. But there's also a flip side to the CSI Effect: Because jurors are ready to believe the fantastical feats preformed by the wondrous forensics computers they see on screen, an unscrupulous prosecutor armed with an expert willing to offer otherwise dubious forensics on the witness stand can cause a lot of damage.
Witness Michael West. In the early 1990s, West, a dentist in Hattiesburg, Miss., was one of country's most prolific forensic odontologists, or bite mark specialists. West claimed to have perfected a new method of identifying bite marks on human skin, saying he could then match them to the teeth of a criminal suspect. Conveniently, West often testified that only he could perform this new analysis, which he called the "West Phenomenon."
Over the years, West broadened his areas of claimed expertise, testifying in at least 10 states as a wound pattern expert, a trace metals expert, a gun shot residue expert, a gunshot reconstruction expert, a crime scene investigator, a blood spatter expert, a "tool mark" expert, a fingernail scratch expert and an expert in "liquid splash patterns." He also got himself elected coroner of Forrest County, Miss. Though West was discredited in a number of national media reports beginning in the mid-1990s, he continued to testify in Mississippi courtrooms until just a few years ago.
If you want to feel sad about the state of our criminal system in parts of the country go ahead and read the rest.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:20:39am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:22:40am |
re: #542 sattv4u2
They're closing the post office at the bottome of the hill where I grew up. Low income/elderly folks neighborhood (one step above ghetto); there's an uproar.
The only thing that kept that office going for years was people bought money orders. You can buy money orders just about anywhere now; and you don't have to stand in line watching some freakin' postal employee moving at the speed of a ... a ... postal employee.
You buy them from Sanji at the mini-mart who has a fucking business to run.
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RogueOne Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:23:42am |
More good news, sorta:
Fullerton Police Chief Takes Medical Leave
[Link: www.voiceofoc.org...]
Fullerton Police Chief Michael Sellers, who has been the target of demonstrators protesting the beating death of mentally ill transient Kelly Thomas, has taken a leave of absence, the department announced Wednesday.
Defending his officers for beating someone to death must have taken a lot out of him.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:24:20am |
re: #542 sattv4u2
Other ideas...
Stop sending one dude fifty miles to deliver junk mail every day. Limit uber-rural customers to one delivery per week.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:24:51am |
re: #544 RogueOne
To be considered an "expert" you better have a degree and years of practice (medical, psyche, ballistics, etc) in the field. If I went to court today and declared myself an expert in anything, I would prolly end-up behind bars on a contempt charge.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:25:22am |
re: #546 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You buy them from Sanji at the mini-mart who has a fucking business to run.
"You CANNOT go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent ... I'm not joking."
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:27:00am |
re: #550 sattv4u2
I always thought that quote was stupid. He meant, "You can't open a 7-11...". That would be accurate.
I have Biden's disease... Hoof in Mouth...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:27:13am |
re: #550 sattv4u2
That is just wrong.
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Shiplord Kirel Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:27:17am |
re: #529 Cannadian Club Akbar
This is NSFW, but as I always do, I'm rooting for the animal. GO BULL!!!
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
Too bad a human being lost his life in this episode but Jesus H. Christ what a reckless fool. Happened in the act of abusing an animal, too, though obviously not a defenseless one. Many animal rights activists, the PETA-heads for example, are crazy and obnoxious but the continued level of abuse and cruelty gives their cause more than a kernel of validity.
Might be a good time to re-post this classic video:
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RogueOne Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:27:23am |
re: #549 Cannadian Club Akbar
To be considered an "expert" you better have a degree and years of practice (medical, psyche, ballistics, etc) in the field. If I went to court today and declared myself an expert in anything, I would prolly end-up behind bars on a contempt charge.
Balko has been on the West case for years. The man is a massive menace to society. Prosecutors continue to use him because he'll say what it takes to "prove" their case.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:27:34am |
re: #548 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Other ideas...
Stop sending one dude fifty miles to deliver junk mail every day. Limit uber-rural customers to one delivery per week.
Mayberry, RFD
Rural delivery service refers to the delivery of mail in what are traditionally considered rural areas. In the United States, rural letter carriers began service with the experiments with Rural Free Delivery in 1891. RFD was adopted generally in the United States in 1902, resulting in progressive closure of post offices from their peak of 76,945 in 1901 to the present number of about 36,000
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:28:24am |
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RogueOne Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:30:03am |
re: #553 Shiplord Kirel
Too bad a human being lost his life in this episode but Jesus H. Christ what a reckless fool. Happened in the act of abusing an animal, too, though obviously not a defenseless one.......
I have zero sympathy for someone who dies in the act of trying to torment an animal to death. He got what he deserved.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:30:41am |
Oh, BTW, Investigative Discovery channel had a special in the OslodoucheTM last night. Was pretty good.
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RogueOne Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:37:45am |
I've wasted enough time with you guys this morning//. Time to get to work. If I'm not back, enjoy the day people! It's going to be another beautiful one today, sunny and cool.
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Shiplord Kirel Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:39:44am |
Look if you dare:
Bullfighting Bloodbath, an anti-bullfighting site.
Bullfighting is the most indefensible type of animal abuse. Our footage shows in horrifying detail what happens at these events. Dare yourself to look at the following videos and slide shows. You will not be able to deny the cruelty and pointlessness of what you see here.
Bullfighting is not a fight at all. It's a systematic torture killing that pits a gang of armed thugs against a lone, frightened, and wounded animal.
In 1567 Pope Pius V issued a papal bull condemning bullfighting and other forms of animal fighting for entertainment as "cruel and base spectacles of the devil" whose promoters are subject to excommunication. Pope Pius IX reiterated the 1567 bull in 1846, and Pope Pius XII cited it in 1940 in refusing to meet with a delegation of bullfighters. The 1567 papal bull eventually brought prohibitions against bullfighting throughout Italy, plus a 1928 ban on bullfighting to the death in Portugal, amended in 2000.
The current Pope, Benedict XVI, has also condemned bullfighting:
How Can You Tolerate this Abomination to God's Magnificent Creatures?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:44:35am |
re: #560 Shiplord Kirel
That is gross. I saw a comedian years ago (Richard Belzer, maybe) who said for hunting to be an actual sport, you should have to hunt nekkid with the mating scent of the animal you are hunting on you. I'm OK with that.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:44:44am |
re: #560 Shiplord Kirel
"Well, you see Mr. Pope? We're fuckin' blood-thirsty savages and we likes it. So take off that cone-head cap and come on down here and tell that shit to our faces, you dress wearing faggot."
-Southern Spain Bullfighter
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kirkspencer Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:45:04am |
re: #538 RogueOne
They've only lost $17 billion in the last 2 years. Efficiency!
Fedex and UPS can shut down service areas. The post office must be able to deliver to every address in the nation. And when volume drops as reported it puts the USPS between a rock and a hard place.
My guess is that down the road we'll see a federal email service replace the snail for all but things that MUST be written -- and those will become fewer and fewer.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:46:30am |
re: #563 kirkspencer
Kirk? Captain Obvious has no voice with the Federalis.
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Shropshire_Slasher Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:49:03am |
I always liked hunting, but I never liked poking their guts out, I'll stick with catch and release fishing.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:49:12am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:52:56am |
re: #561 Cannadian Club Akbar
“Love the animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled”
“When I was twelve, I went hunting with my father and we shot a bird. He was laying there and something struck me. Why do we call this fun to kill this creature who was as happy as I was when I woke up this morning.”
“Wild animals never kill for sport. Man is the only one to whom the torture and death of his fellow creatures is amusing in itself.”
“The time will come when public opinion will no longer tolerate amusements based on the mistreatment and killing of animals. The time will come, but when? When will we reach the point that hunting, the pleasure in killing animals for sport, will be regarded as a mental aberration?”
-Albert Schweitzer
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Obdicut Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:53:45am |
re: #567 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Wild animals do kill for sport, but in the main, his philosophy is a good one.
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kirkspencer Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:53:55am |
re: #548 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Other ideas...
Stop sending one dude fifty miles to deliver junk mail every day. Limit uber-rural customers to one delivery per week.
The problem is legal timeliness. At one delivery per week bad timing could make the delivery two weeks after post-mark.
Right now the laws require some things to be physically delivered. As long as that requirement exists, the post office has to do some remarkably inefficient acts.
As a related note, other laws require publication of legal notices (foreclosures, bankruptcies, etc) in a newspaper. The /intent/ was that everyone have full opportunity to be aware of legal actions in which they might be involved. One of the reasons I expect a government email is to provide an avenue for "legal spam" as a replacement. It's not a great solution, but it's better than just about everything else I've seen suggested.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:54:13am |
re: #565 Shropshire_Slasher
I always liked hunting, but I never liked poking their guts out, I'll stick with catch and release fishing.
Hunting is fine. Most people eat what they hunt or give it to shelters. I personally don't eat deer, moose, squirrel, or whatever. So I'm not interested in the hunting aspect of it.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:54:52am |
re: #568 Obdicut
Take it up with Dr. Schweitzer.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:56:13am |
“We must never permit the voice of humanity within us to be silenced. It is man's sympathy with all creatures that first makes him truly a man.” - Albert Schweitzer
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kirkspencer Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:56:15am |
re: #553 Shiplord Kirel
Too bad a human being lost his life in this episode but Jesus H. Christ what a reckless fool. Happened in the act of abusing an animal, too, though obviously not a defenseless one. Many animal rights activists, the PETA-heads for example, are crazy and obnoxious but the continued level of abuse and cruelty gives their cause more than a kernel of validity.
Might be a good time to re-post this classic video:[Video]
bzzt. Wrong - he survived.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:56:52am |
re: #569 kirkspencer
Then tell them to close their meth labs and move to the city.
/
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Obdicut Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:57:03am |
re: #569 kirkspencer
Direct mail advertising is really stupid, I'm unconvinced it works, and I wish there was a 1st amendment compatible way of cutting it the fuck down.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:57:45am |
re: #573 kirkspencer
They were talking about the amateur hour article.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:58:23am |
re: #575 Obdicut
You could start by closing down the USPS?
/
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:01:30am |
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kirkspencer Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:03:54am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:04:38am |
Jani Lane, lead singer of Warrant, found dead in hotel room.
[Link: www.tmz.com...]
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:05:00am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:06:03am |
re: #569 kirkspencer
The legal timelines are generally based upon mail delivery. Sunday never counts? Why? No mail. Business days are counted as days that the Post Office is open.
They could re-write that stuff very easily. Of course, they'd find a way to stuff enough pork into the laws to completely offset any savings.
You're right. Why bother?
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sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:06:07am |
re: #575 Obdicut
Direct mail advertising is really stupid, I'm unconvinced it works, and I wish there was a 1st amendment compatible way of cutting it the fuck down.
Why would you think that?
True, many (read; MOST) people just trash the stuff they get, but because it's cheap to produce and mail (bulk mail rates the companies/ organizations that send that stuff need only a small percentage of people responding to make it worthwhile
We often use the restaurant coupons (Pizza Hut, Steak and Shake, etc) to eat there that we get in bulk mail that we normally wouldn't go too
It's also a cheap way for a local house painter, electrician, dentist to get their name out to the public
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:08:41am |
re: #575 Obdicut
Direct mail advertising is really stupid, I'm unconvinced it works, and I wish there was a 1st amendment compatible way of cutting it the fuck down.
I open my mail by the dumpster. I give it enough of a look to see if I want to open it. 70% of my mail goes in the trash can, unopened, unread, and unloved.
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kirkspencer Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:10:37am |
re: #575 Obdicut
Direct mail advertising is really stupid, I'm unconvinced it works, and I wish there was a 1st amendment compatible way of cutting it the fuck down.
Ah, I see your confusion. By "legal spam" I meant sending the notices to everyone just in case they might be involved. "Ma, we got 800 foreclosure notices today. You gonna read them to see which of the neighbors is in trouble this time?"
As to direct mail, snailspam works just as well as espam. Which is to say it does, but its success is in the margins. It only works for a tiny fraction of people, but when you're sending hundreds of thousands of adds a tiny fraction is still pretty large in absolute terms.
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AK-47% Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:11:46am |
re: #568 Obdicut
Wild animals do kill for sport, but in the main, his philosophy is a good one.
For sport or for practice? There would be a difference...
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:11:54am |
re: #583 sattv4u2
Why would you think that?
True, many (read; MOST) people just trash the stuff they get, but because it's cheap to produce and mail (bulk mail rates the companies/ organizations that send that stuff need only a small percentage of people responding to make it worthwhileWe often use the restaurant coupons (Pizza Hut, Steak and Shake, etc) to eat there that we get in bulk mail that we normally wouldn't go too
It's also a cheap way for a local house painter, electrician, dentist to get their name out to the public
I'll tell you I really, really hate. It's the restaurants that put flyers on your front door or porch rail with little rubber bands. They clutter up my front porch with their spam and then I have to clean it up and throw it all in the garbage. I can't call and tell them to stop delivering this shit because they probably use illiterate homeless guys to pass out their flyers. What can I do to stop it?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:12:48am |
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AK-47% Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:14:09am |
re: #587 Alouette
I'll tell you I really, really hate. It's the restaurants that put flyers on your front door or porch rail with little rubber bands. They clutter up my front porch with their spam and then I have to clean it up and throw it all in the garbage. I can't call and tell them to stop delivering this shit because they probably use illiterate homeless guys to pass out their flyers. What can I do to stop it?
At least in Germany you can put up a "no advertising/free newspapers" notice and then bring charges against advertisers who ignore it.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:14:26am |
re: #587 Alouette
I can't call and tell them to stop delivering this shit because they probably use illiterate homeless guys to pass out their flyers. What can I do to stop it?
Put a chalk out-line of an illiterate homeless guy on your sidewalk with little restaurant flyers strewn about?
It's how I keep away the Jehovah's Witnesses.
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:16:29am |
re: #589 ralphieboy
At least in Germany you can put up a "no advertising/free newspapers" notice and then bring charges against advertisers who ignore it.
If the delivery guy is illiterate a "no flyers" notice is useless.
Trained attack kitteh?
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Obdicut Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:16:58am |
re: #583 sattv4u2
Why would you think that?
Because I've never seen any good study showing it does work, and where direct advertising has been banned, no one gains the competetitve advantage and no one has to spend the money.
When they banned tobacco advertising, the tobacco companies profits actually went up, ironically.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:17:14am |
re: #590 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Put a chalk out-line of an illiterate homeless guy on your sidewalk with little restaurant flyers strewn about?
It's how I keep away the Jehovah's Witnesses.
Are people who drop out of art skool the ones who do the chalk outline for dead people?
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sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:17:16am |
re: #587 Alouette
I'll tell you I really, really hate. It's the restaurants that put flyers on your front door or porch rail with little rubber bands. They clutter up my front porch with their spam and then I have to clean it up and throw it all in the garbage. I can't call and tell them to stop delivering this shit because they probably use illiterate homeless guys to pass out their flyers. What can I do to stop it?
Machine gun turrets!?!?!
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Obdicut Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:18:07am |
re: #586 ralphieboy
For sport or for practice? There would be a difference...
Fully mature killer whales, who are already expert at seal hunting, will toss a baby seal around for half an hour before finally killing it.
There's no particular reason to believe it's practice, and they certainly seem to be having fun.
Unless you think animals never have fun, it seems odd to think that they couldn't have fun hunting and killing.
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Obdicut Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:19:11am |
re: #585 kirkspencer
To my knowledge, nobody has actually ever proved the efficacy of direct mail. There's a lot of business practices that have never actually been rigorously tested; it's pretty hard to, of course.
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:19:28am |
re: #595 Obdicut
Fully mature killer whales, who are already expert at seal hunting, will toss a baby seal around for half an hour before finally killing it.
There's no particular reason to believe it's practice, and they certainly seem to be having fun.
Unless you think animals never have fun, it seems odd to think that they couldn't have fun hunting and killing.
Dolphins are rapists.
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AK-47% Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:19:46am |
re: #591 Alouette
If the delivery guy is illiterate a "no flyers" notice is useless.
Trained attack kitteh?
You get the standard yellow sign from the hardware store, the delivery guys are trained to respond to it. Although you could get a yellow and black sign that reads "My hovercraft is full of eels" and it would probably work.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:20:27am |
re: #592 Obdicut
Because I've never seen any good study showing it does work, and where direct advertising has been banned, no one gains the competetitve advantage and no one has to spend the money.
When they banned tobacco advertising, the tobacco companies profits actually went up, ironically.
So because there is "no good study" it musn't work?
I'll take logic over "I've never seen any good study"
Logic says if it DIDN'T work the company sending it would cease the practice. Any good outfit tracks where their ad dollars go to and what the reward is for it. I used to track how any caller "found" my business, be it Yellow Pages, local radio ads, fliers, signage on my trucks or even word of mouth
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:21:05am |
re: #596 Obdicut
To my knowledge, nobody has actually ever proved the efficacy of direct mail. There's a lot of business practices that have never actually been rigorously tested; it's pretty hard to, of course.
What about telemarketing? That practice seems to have died out pretty quickly after the Do Not Call list was implemented. But why did anyone think it was a good idea since everybody hated it so much?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:21:08am |
Well, I'm off to make the moneys.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:21:56am |
re: #601 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Well, I'm off to make the moneys.
you make your own coins?
Can I order some with my sons face on them?
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Obdicut Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:22:11am |
re: #599 sattv4u2
So because there is "no good study" it musn't work?
No, which is why I didn't claim it didn't work.
Please bother reading my post next time.
Logic says if it DIDN'T work the company sending it would cease the practice.
No, it doesn't. That's only true if they actually analyze its effectiveness in a rigorous way. You're engaging in one of the chief fallacies that many people do in capitailsm, that it proceeds in an atmosphere of perfect information. This is wrong.
Again: When tobacco companies were forced, by law, to stop advertising, it didn't hurt them-- it was just a red queen scenario-- and it raised their profits.
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:23:11am |
The last time I used the "Yellow Pages" was when we had a power failure and I needed to call DTE Energy to find out the ETA for power restore.
"Yellow Pages" now has an "opt out" website where you can go to cancel your delivery and it will go straight to the landfill.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:23:20am |
re: #603 Obdicut
Please bother reading my post next time
I did
I've never seen any good study showing it does work
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Obdicut Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:23:27am |
re: #600 Alouette
What about telemarketing? That practice seems to have died out pretty quickly after the Do Not Call list was implemented. But why did anyone think it was a good idea since everybody hated it so much?
Nobody really knows. It's the dark secret of advertising; nobody has any clue how effective it actually is, and it's nearly impossible to test for that actual effectiveness.
There are definitely some ad campaigns that have been successful. But the average ad campaign, does it actually achieve a damn thing?
No one knows.
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Obdicut Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:23:55am |
re: #605 sattv4u2
Please bother reading my post next time
I did
I've never seen any good study showing it does work
So, where is me making the claim that it doesn't work, please?
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sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:25:36am |
re: #603 Obdicut
When tobacco companies were forced, by law, to stop advertising, it didn't hurt them-- it was just a red queen scenario-- and it raised their profits.
Mostly due to them saturating new markets with the ad dollars they used to spend in the USA (see CHINA, which is now the largest tobacco consumer)
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sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:26:01am |
re: #607 Obdicut
So, where is me making the claim that it doesn't work, please?
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Obdicut Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:26:38am |
re: #608 sattv4u2
Mostly due to them saturating new markets with the ad dollars they used to spend in the USA (see CHINA, which is now the largest tobacco consumer)
Nope. The profits in those markets where they previously advertised went up. You're wrong.
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:27:31am |
re: #606 Obdicut
Nobody really knows. It's the dark secret of advertising; nobody has any clue how effective it actually is, and it's nearly impossible to test for that actual effectiveness.
There are definitely some ad campaigns that have been successful. But the average ad campaign, does it actually achieve a damn thing?
No one knows.
There was an article at Cracked.com a couple of weeks ago "Wildly popular advertising campaigns that were actually epic fails" which lists serveral iconic commercials that totally failed to sell the product they were advertising.
For a humor site, they have some very informative articles.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:30:40am |
re: #611 Obdicut
Nope. The profits in those markets where they previously advertised went up. You're wrong.
I didn't say the profits from those markets didn't go up, I DID say the the upturn in profits was MOSTLY (not entirely) due to "newer" markets
The Asia/Pacific region accounts for much of this new frontier. China, with some 25% of the world's 1.2 billion smokers
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Obdicut Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:30:56am |
re: #612 Alouette
I find advertising to be simultaneously fascinating and repellent. It's the epitome of wasted money, but it's really culturally interesting at the same time. So much time, effort, and artistic talent goes into creating it-- and it's ephemeral, adds nothing to the world, and, in the best-case scenario, just informs people about a product they didn't know about. That's all.
But the belief in the competitive advantage of it is so high that a lot of companies spend more on it than they do on their core business-- pharma companies are especially bad that way. It's a flip side to the efficiency of resource distribution in capitalism.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:32:16am |
re: #615 Obdicut
Advertising is superstitious?
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Obdicut Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:32:25am |
re: #614 sattv4u2
I didn't say the profits from those markets didn't go up, I DID say the the upturn in profits was MOSTLY (not entirely) due to "newer" markets
Well, then you're just bringing up irrelevant facts for no reason. Nifty!
Again: When advertising for tobacco was banned, the profits in those markets rose. This is because the advertising was not actually, in the end, beneficial in a cost/benefit analysis. So, your contention that if advertising didn't actually do anything, companies would stop it is, in fact, demonstrably wrong.
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Obdicut Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:33:42am |
re: #616 000G
Advertising is superstitious?
Heh. Yes. Absolut ads are the equivalent of a lucky sock at this point.
Fun fact: In Sweden, Absolut is a bottom-shelf vodka.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:33:51am |
re: #617 Obdicut
Well, then you're just bringing up irrelevant facts for no reason. Nifty!
Again: When advertising for tobacco was banned, the profits in those markets rose. This is because the advertising was not actually, in the end, beneficial in a cost/benefit analysis. So, your contention that if advertising didn't actually do anything, companies would stop it is, in fact, demonstrably wrong.
How is 25% of tobacco users in the world (therefore, BUYERS,, therefore,, profits for the seller/manufacturer) "irrelevant"!?!?!
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Obdicut Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:34:42am |
re: #620 sattv4u2
How is 25% of tobacco users in the world (therefore, BUYERS,, therefore,, profits for the seller/manufacturer) "irrelevant"!?!?!
Because it has nothing to do with whether or not advertising in a particular market is actually effective or not, which is what we were actually talking about.
Remember?
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:37:47am |
re: #615 Obdicut
I find advertising to be simultaneously fascinating and repellent. It's the epitome of wasted money, but it's really culturally interesting at the same time. So much time, effort, and artistic talent goes into creating it-- and it's ephemeral, adds nothing to the world, and, in the best-case scenario, just informs people about a product they didn't know about. That's all.
But the belief in the competitive advantage of it is so high that a lot of companies spend more on it than they do on their core business-- pharma companies are especially bad that way. It's a flip side to the efficiency of resource distribution in capitalism.
I feel the same way about polls and surveys. How do the survey-takers verify that their sampling methods are accurate? I have spent most of my career doing statistical analysis of some form, and when you are surveying a sample of a particular population you really have no way of verifying that your self-selecting sample is an accurate representation of that population.
Right now I process customer satisfaction surveys of people who drive a certain brand of vehicle, but the samples do not represent all the drivers of this vehicle, only customers who have contacted the call center to report a problem. So this sample may show a higher percentage of product dissatisfaction than drivers who have no need to contact the call center.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:39:58am |
re: #487 wlewisiii
The greatest lesson that can be - walk Gettysburg in something like real time with a good book in your hands. Then after that, read Sharra's fictional take on the battle.
And understand, deep down inside, that you and I are here talking about this today because of John F. Reynolds and John Buford on July 1, 1863.
My fraternity's local alumni group organized a trip to Gettysburg back in the mid-90s. Since I had been there before I was nominated as tour guide for the times we were not on an organized tour. This included six of us walking Pickett's Charge (e.g. the 9/10th of a mile from the Virginia Momument on Seminary Ridge to The Angle on Cemetary Ridge.)
I knew enough to point out to the other five how large the attacking formation was - from this point to that point, the arc of the opposing ridge that artillery fire was coming in from, the point at which they stopped and redressed ranks, how the flanking formations dropped off, and even the point where Stannard's regiments wheeled out on the one flank and started firing. And then the final small charges into the Union line. I had a fairly solid impact on my listeners, who were impressed that men held up under all that to actually attempt to break the Union line.
However, the most memorable bit of the trip was me being out alone one morning around sunrise and visiting the Wheatfield in the morning light with mist rising off the grass. And there was a single drum beating some sort of slow cadence in the reenactor camp over on Seminary Ridge. Downright spooky and tragically beautiful at the same time.
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Obdicut Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:40:30am |
re: #622 Alouette
Agreed. Truly randomized polls in the population can be good, but if there's any level of self-selection-- and there is even in a randomized poll, because there's the population that's unwilling to talk to you-- then you're starting off skewed, and it's the nature of the beast that you have no idea how skewed you are.
There's an assumption of a bell-curve or normal distribution that often turns out not to be the case, too.
I wish that we taught statistics rigorously throughout high school, since I feel it's one of the most important things for people to understand. So many people get ripped off or make bad decisions just because they really don't get statistics.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:42:54am |
re: #624 Obdicut
I wish that we taught statistics rigorously throughout high school, since I feel it's one of the most important things for people to understand. So many people get ripped off or make bad decisions just because they really don't get statistics.
This, one thousand times this. I took statistics in high school and 2 semesters of it in college, and it truly opened my eyes to how incredibly deceptive so many media press releases are.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:46:39am |
re: #598 ralphieboy
You get the standard yellow sign from the hardware store, the delivery guys are trained to respond to it. Although you could get a yellow and black sign that reads "My hovercraft is full of eels" and it would probably work.
I'd buy one that said that in Hungarian and put it up. :)
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kirkspencer Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:46:45am |
re: #596 Obdicut
To my knowledge, nobody has actually ever proved the efficacy of direct mail. There's a lot of business practices that have never actually been rigorously tested; it's pretty hard to, of course.
Actually, direct mail with coupon is easier to study and analyze effectiveness than indirect advertising. Establish baseline. Send direct mail, get direct response count (how many coupons come back) and compare overall to baseline.
Yeah, direct mail's been studied to death. It's one of those sociology/psych non-science sciencey things marketing students run into (a lot).
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:50:44am |
re: #624 Obdicut
Agreed. Truly randomized polls in the population can be good, but if there's any level of self-selection-- and there is even in a randomized poll, because there's the population that's unwilling to talk to you-- then you're starting off skewed, and it's the nature of the beast that you have no idea how skewed you are.
There's an assumption of a bell-curve or normal distribution that often turns out not to be the case, too.
I wish that we taught statistics rigorously throughout high school, since I feel it's one of the most important things for people to understand. So many people get ripped off or make bad decisions just because they really don't get statistics.
There is an organization with the Stalinesque name of "Jewish People Policy Planning Institute" which claims to predict the religious habits, political preferences, trends and other social phenomena affecting Jews in the U.S., based on the "National Jewish Population Survey."
They claim to use "demographic experts" and media outlets like "The Forward" promote their project results, but their sampling methods are TOTAL BULLSHIT. It consist of random telemarketing calls, calling numbers at random, asking people "Are you Jewish?" and then getting them to stay on the phone for 45 minutes answering more and more detailed and personal questions about their most deeply held beliefs, religious habits and political voting patterns and other invasions of privacy.
This study is so bogus and utterly full of crap I want to throw up every time I see it mentioned. Most people are too mathophobic to question it.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:51:12am |
Kaddafi instituted death penalty for unregistered satellite phones:
[Link: news.brisbanetimes.com.au...]
In Tripoli, the Libyan government banned all unlicensed satellite phones, the state news agency JANA reported.
Anyone caught using one without a permit will be charged as a spy for NATO and sentenced to death as punishment for treason, JANA said.
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Obdicut Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:56:40am |
re: #627 kirkspencer
Actually, direct mail with coupon is easier to study and analyze effectiveness than indirect advertising.
Coupons are a subset of direct mail advertising, though.
Establish baseline. Send direct mail, get direct response count (how many coupons come back) and compare overall to baseline.
Establishing a baseline is actually rather tricky; unless your product and the marketplace are completely steady, a baseline is a moving target. In addition, the goal of advertising is rarely to get people to buy one product one time. Tracking the future purchasers of consumers is tricky. If all you do with a coupon is capture one sale, it's not effective.
Yeah, direct mail's been studied to death. It's one of those sociology/psych non-science sciencey things marketing students run into (a lot).
There's never been any study of direct mail marketing that concludes it actually works, beyond demonstrating that it increases exposure. And that was before the modern age, where people have become a lot more ad-adverse.
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The Left Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:58:06am |
re: #625 thedopefishlives
This, one thousand times this. I took statistics in high school and 2 semesters of it in college, and it truly opened my eyes to how incredibly deceptive so many media press releases are.
A basic course in logic should be mandatory too. It's useful for identifying fallacious arguments, whether they're in advertising or in political claims.
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Ericus58 Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:58:09am |
A legacy of love: Girl's birthday wish grows to nearly $1 million
[Link: www.komonews.com...]
"SEATTLE -- What started as one girl's birthday wish has now grown to nearly $1 million.
In honor of her 9th birthday, Rachel Beckwith asked friends and family to donate money to bring clean water to an African village. Rachel was close to meeting her goal of raising $300 when she died last month after a car accident. In her memory, strangers have now made her dream come true many times over.
By Thursday night, more than 25,500 people had donated more than $976,500 to "charity: water" in Rachel's honor, many in gifts of $9 each. On a website set up by Rachel and her mother before her birthday, she explained the inspiration for her project."
(cont.)
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Ericus58 Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:06:40am |
One of my projects this weekend is to download photo's and a few video's of family to share with my LGF friends. I've been quite caught up with work demands for far too long, but now have some free time.
I want to be able to post to a "site" and allow public viewing, but have my privacy - no FB.
Any suggestions?
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Obdicut Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:09:18am |
re: #633 Ericus58
[Link: www.imagebam.com...] is a pretty good site.
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The Left Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:09:26am |
re: #633 Ericus58
Maybe a photobucket account? Looking forward to seeing them!
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Ericus58 Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:13:12am |
re: #634 Obdicut
[Link: www.imagebam.com...] is a pretty good site.
I will check this out - my company firewall blocked it, so I'll "heart" the post and email myself. Thanks Obdicut.
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Ericus58 Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:15:26am |
re: #635 iceweasel
Maybe a photobucket account? Looking forward to seeing them!
Thanks Ice! I'm actually looking forward to sharing some of my life with you and my friends here.
| 638 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:22:16am |
re: #635 iceweasel
Maybe a photobucket account? Looking forward to seeing them!
I use photobucket (see my nick).
Need to upload pics from the Asia trip this weekend.
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The Left Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:25:43am |
re: #638 oaktree
I use photobucket (see my nick).
Need to upload pics from the Asia trip this weekend.
Cool! Looking forward to seeing them too!
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:33:12am |
re: #639 iceweasel
Cool! Looking forward to seeing them too!
299 photos of Asian cats and 1 of a tropical fruit (durian of course).
;)
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Obdicut Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:37:46am |
re: #640 oaktree
Durian is one of the hardest things to explain.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:41:46am |
re: #641 Obdicut
Durian is one of the hardest things to explain.
Durian Fruit can best be described as having a succulent, creamy filling but smelling like stinky socks - don't let that dissuade you from trying it.
[Link: junechua.suite101.com...]
I'll stick with apples and berries.:)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:47:25am |
re: #625 thedopefishlives
This, one thousand times this. I took statistics in high school and 2 semesters of it in college, and it truly opened my eyes to how incredibly deceptive so many media press releases are.
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
| 644 |
The Left Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:49:30am |
re: #640 oaktree
299 photos of Asian cats and 1 of a tropical fruit (durian of course).
;)
Here's one of a dragon fruit I took on Canal Street last year. :)
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:52:14am |
Morning all!
There are fake Apples in China!
Bert and Ernie have No sexual orientation.
What are the Dominionists going to think of all that?
How are you this morning?
| 646 |
AK-47% Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:52:18am |
re: #622 Alouette
Right now I process customer satisfaction surveys of people who drive a certain brand of vehicle, but the samples do not represent all the drivers of this vehicle, only customers who have contacted the call center to report a problem. So this sample may show a higher percentage of product dissatisfaction than drivers who have no need to contact the call center.
I have encountered the statistic that dissatisfied customers are ten times as likely to say they are dissatisfied than satisfied customers are likely to voice their satisfaction.
| 647 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:53:39am |
re: #646 ralphieboy
I have encountered the statistic that dissatisfied customers are ten times as likely to say they are dissatisfied than satisfied customers are likely to voice their satisfaction.
I think that is the exact figures. Of 10 dissatisfied customers only 1 will contact the vendor. The rest will work hard at telling everyone else. That is why a dissatisfied customer is always to be treated with respect. Only 1/10 will give you the opportunity to correct the issue.
| 648 |
The Left Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:54:02am |
Christine O’Donnell Amazon Page Mostly Dildos and Witchcraft Books
What is this Internet Magick right here? The little Internet djinn are good-humored today and casting spells on Christine O’Donnell’s Amazon related products page for everyone’s amusement. This is apparently referred to as an “Amazon bomb,” but that just feels so military industrial. How about an “Amazon sorcery orgasm” or something a little less war-like and a little more, “we enjoyed that, thank you.” Is this possibly connected to the upcoming Christine O’Donnell’s audio book going on sale next week?
There is no other ostensible reason than to taunt Christine O’Donnell at this late stage of her pathetic career in attention-seeking, so sure, it’s probably that.
heh.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:55:59am |
re: #641 Obdicut
Durian is one of the hardest things to explain.
I'm thinking of doing a page on Durian subtitled "Lutefisk of the Orient".
You're right in that it is hard to explain. Thus the reason I inflicted Durian chocolates on the co-workers. :)
| 650 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:56:03am |
re: #645 ggt
IIRC, Bert and Ernie are also supposed to be the somewhat same age as the kids watching. People need to get a grip.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:58:37am |
re: #650 Cannadian Club Akbar
IIRC, Bert and Ernie are also supposed to be the somewhat same age as the kids watching. People need to get a grip.
It is sad CTW had make a statement on it.
| 652 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:00:52am |
Bert and Ernie are just friends. I know that because the producers of Sesame Street told me so. Does the Gay Rights Movement really want to be seen as forcing two men to get married irrespective of their actual say in the matter? Just because they are close friends who both happen to be male doesn't meant that they are secretly lovers pining to get married. In a nation where real gay couples are unable to get married in their home state, it is an insult and a cheapening of their real love to demand that two fictional television puppets get married just because they fit into certain gay stereotypes. There is plenty of work left to do in the struggle for equal rights for the LGBT community. Those involved (and those who support their struggles) surely have more important things to do then forcing two unwilling Muppets to tie the knot. And they certainly don't want to send the message to men everywhere that a man can't be kind and friendly to another man without being considered homosexual. Real men, regardless of sexual orientation, can be friends with other men.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:01:16am |
re: #600 Alouette
What about telemarketing? That practice seems to have died out pretty quickly after the Do Not Call list was implemented. But why did anyone think it was a good idea since everybody hated it so much?
I used to be a telemarketer.
I got paid a spiff on new business.
It was kinda cool sometimes, got to meet some nice people.
| 654 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:03:21am |
re: #596 Obdicut
To my knowledge, nobody has actually ever proved the efficacy of direct mail. There's a lot of business practices that have never actually been rigorously tested; it's pretty hard to, of course.
In my experience, Direct Mail is good for insulating current business. Not as effective a getting new business. It all depends.
Targeted Direct Mail was my main source of business when I was on my own. Gotta start somewhere.
| 655 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:04:13am |
re: #595 Obdicut
Fully mature killer whales, who are already expert at seal hunting, will toss a baby seal around for half an hour before finally killing it.
There's no particular reason to believe it's practice, and they certainly seem to be having fun.
Unless you think animals never have fun, it seems odd to think that they couldn't have fun hunting and killing.
Cats will also sometimes kill birds and other small animals, even if well fed. When I lived in Lincoln Park in Chicago, we had a small rat get into the house. It was found dead in the morning and the bite marks clearly meant one of the cats had killed it. But they didn't eat, they just killed it.
| 656 |
AK-47% Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:04:58am |
re: #652 Cannadian Club Akbar
We are in an age in which everything is sexualized. We have divorced breasts from their primary function, i.e. feeding babies, and sexualized them to the point that people find it somehow offensive to see breasts being used for their main purpose.
And sexual obsession is not just restricted to sex perverts and sexual extroverts. it is also a defining trait in prude, highly sexually repressed individuals.
| 657 |
Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:05:51am |
re: #653 ggt
I used to be a telemarketer.
I got paid a spiff on new business.
It was kinda cool sometimes, got to meet some nice people.
How many hangups did you take before meeting some nice people?
| 658 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:06:31am |
re: #656 ralphieboy
In the Bert and Ernie thing, it is just a political statement.
| 659 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:07:01am |
re: #658 Cannadian Club Akbar
In the Bert and Ernie thing, it is just an attempted political statement.
| 660 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:07:39am |
re: #657 Alouette
How many hangups did you take before meeting some nice people?
Not many, surprisingly.
Usually people were really nice. Sometimes you'd get someone who just wanted to talk. That was cool too. Old people mostly.
I think it all depends on your skill and how your voice carries over the phone.
| 661 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:07:58am |
re: #652 Cannadian Club Akbar
Bert and Ernie are just friends. I know that because the producers of Sesame Street told me so. Does the Gay Rights Movement really want to be seen as forcing two men to get married irrespective of their actual say in the matter? Just because they are close friends who both happen to be male doesn't meant that they are secretly lovers pining to get married. In a nation where real gay couples are unable to get married in their home state, it is an insult and a cheapening of their real love to demand that two fictional television puppets get married just because they fit into certain gay stereotypes. There is plenty of work left to do in the struggle for equal rights for the LGBT community. Those involved (and those who support their struggles) surely have more important things to do then forcing two unwilling Muppets to tie the knot. And they certainly don't want to send the message to men everywhere that a man can't be kind and friendly to another man without being considered homosexual. Real men, regardless of sexual orientation, can be friends with other men.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
Right on. While I understand why those activists would want such a thing, they'd be playing right into Dominionist hands. It's like handing someone the club they're going to beat with. It's never a good idea.
| 662 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:09:51am |
re: #652 Cannadian Club Akbar
Most, well all, of the comments I've heard about Bert and Ernie were from homophobic men.
Bert and Ernie each had their own twin bed --
I thought they were brothers when I was little. So they are roommates.
WTF?
| 663 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:10:44am |
If I ever sat on a jury in a murder trial in which the defendant was pleading not guilty by reason of insanity due to having a nostril hair that was tickling with every breath, I would have a very hard time rejecting that defense out of hand. I'm about 60 seconds away from heading into the bathroom with a pair of pliers, and I don't care who sees me do it.
| 664 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:10:57am |
re: #659 Cannadian Club Akbar
And that's part of why it's wrong. There are many places for politic statements, but children's shows like Sesame Street are not among them. The kids are too young for politics, and to bring it in to them anyway strikes me as too 1984 for my comfort level. Let the kid have a childhood, before they have to deal with adult political issues.
| 665 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:11:30am |
re: #662 ggt
The only gay jokes I have heard were along the lines of Gladiator movies and the such. Nothing offensive.
| 666 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:13:01am |
re: #655 Dark_Falcon
Cats will also sometimes kill birds and other small animals, even if well fed. When I lived in Lincoln Park in Chicago, we had a small rat get into the house. It was found dead in the morning and the bite marks clearly meant one of the cats had killed it. But they didn't eat, they just killed it.
Cats are hardwired to stalk and hunt. Humans appear to be hardwired to watch train wrecks and reality TV.
/
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:13:17am |
re: #663 negativ
If I ever sat on a jury in a murder trial in which the defendant was pleading not guilty by reason of insanity due to having a nostril hair that was tickling with every breath, I would have a very hard time rejecting that defense out of hand. I'm about 60 seconds away from heading into the bathroom with a pair of pliers, and I don't care who sees me do it.
Let's invent some kind of trimming device!!! We'll be rich!!
| 668 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:13:35am |
re: #664 Dark_Falcon
And that's part of why it's wrong. There are many places for politic statements, but children's shows like Sesame Street are not among them. The kids are too young for politics, and to bring it in to them anyway strikes me as too 1984 for my comfort level. Let the kid have a childhood, before they have to deal with adult political issues.
I think the concept of same sex parents will be addressed on Sesame Street and rightfully so. They will probably introduce a character that has 2 mommies or 2 daddies. The "parents" won't be the focus, the "kid" chararacter will --as is appropriate for the theme of the show.
They addressed single parent households and military families rather well. They can handle same-sex parent families with the same respect as is due the child.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:13:46am |
re: #662 ggt
Most, well all, of the comments I've heard about Bert and Ernie were from homophobic men.
Bert and Ernie each had their own twin bed --
I thought they were brothers when I was little. So they are roommates.
WTF?
As far as I knew, their relationship was that they were Bert and Ernie.
| 670 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:14:28am |
re: #667 Cannadian Club Akbar
Let's invent some kind of trimming device!!! We'll be rich!!
[Link: www.google.com...]
Another missed opportunity
| 672 |
lawhawk Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:16:29am |
re: #669 negativ
It was only much later that I realized that Bert was evil.
| 673 |
Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:16:48am |
re: #662 ggt
Most, well all, of the comments I've heard about Bert and Ernie were from homophobic men.
Bert and Ernie each had their own twin bed --
I thought they were brothers when I was little. So they are roommates.
WTF?
Boarding school? Orphanage?
| 674 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:16:58am |
re: #668 ggt
I think the concept of same sex parents will be addressed on Sesame Street and rightfully so. They will probably introduce a character that has 2 mommies or 2 daddies. The "parents" won't be the focus, the "kid" chararacter will --as is appropriate for the theme of the show.
They addressed single parent households and military families rather well. They can handle same-sex parent families with the same respect as is due the child.
Agreed. But Bert and Ernie wouldn't be the right way to do it. The way you suggested is much better. It focuses on the kid and interpersonal issues, and leaves the politics out of it. That's not to say that there won't be a backlash, of course. PBS will get lots of "hatin' on" when they do it.
| 675 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:17:31am |
re: #670 ggt
Another missed opportunity
At a gig several years ago, Adrian Legg said that his experience with those things were that the rotary bits that were supposed to trim the hairs actually only served to wrap the hairs tightly around them, and then unless you wanted to go through life with it dangling from your nose, your only choice was to rip it out. Sort of like an Epilady for the nose.
| 676 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:19:16am |
re: #673 Alouette
Boarding school? Orphanage?
My little pre-schooler brain ever got that far.
Only adults need to know all the knitty-gritty.
| 677 |
lawhawk Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:19:23am |
re: #674 Dark_Falcon
I can remember when one of the adult characters died, and they had to come up with an appropriate way to deal with it in a way that young children could understand. I think that if and when the producers decide to tackle the subject, they'll figure out a way that makes sense and is informative and objective.
| 678 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:20:23am |
| 679 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:20:48am |
re: #677 lawhawk
I can remember when one of the adult characters died, and they had to come up with an appropriate way to deal with it in a way that young children could understand. I think that if and when the producers decide to tackle the subject, they'll figure out a way that makes sense and is informative and objective.
Mr Hooper.
It was a very, very well done episode.
| 680 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:22:43am |
re: #679 ggt
Mr Hooper.
It was a very, very well done episode.
Mr. Hooper also went down in the shark cage and lost his spear that was to be used on the really big shark.
/
| 682 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:27:34am |
| 685 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:32:23am |
re: #684 Gus 802
Bert and Ernie shouldn't get married...
Statler/Waldorf in 2012!
No pandering, we just heckle everything!
| 686 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:33:15am |
Dow +108
Looks like the market is having a decent day.
| 687 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:33:23am |
re: #684 Gus 802
Bert and Ernie shouldn't get married...
Those guys have names?
I thought they were Walter and Obdicut
| 689 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:34:26am |
re: #687 ggt
Those guys have names?
I thought they were Walter and Obdicut
They'd probably poll higher than Generic Republican Candidate if they were on the ballot.
| 690 |
Gus Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:35:32am |
re: #689 oaktree
They'd probably poll higher than Generic Republican Candidate if they were on the ballot.
Probably make more sense then what we saw last night.
| 691 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:36:13am |
re: #679 ggt
Mr Hooper.
It was a very, very well done episode.
Yes, it was. I remember watching that scene. From what I read, it was shot in one take, partially because it was so painful for the cast. The actor who played Mr. Hooper (Will Lee) had died suddenly and the rest of the cast was in a lot of pain over his death. Wikipedia has a good piece on this.
| 692 |
Gus Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:36:17am |
re: #686 Killgore Trout
Dow +108
Looks like the market is having a decent day.
Retail sales up for July.
| 694 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:36:55am |
re: #690 Gus 802
Probably make more sense then what we saw last night.
A FB friend of mine posted a vid of every Luap Nor Q&A. Well, that didn't take long.
| 696 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:37:11am |
re: #689 oaktree
They'd probably poll higher than Generic Republican Candidate if they were on the ballot.
Heck, they'd poll higher than Obama.
| 697 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:37:22am |
re: #690 Gus 802
Probably make more sense then what we saw last night.
Heh. I'd love to see PBS sponsor a Republican candidate debate and then put Statler and Waldorf there are PBS commentators. It would be brutally hilarious. Imagine getting your wingnut viewpoint skewered and destroyed by a wise-cracking Muppet.
| 698 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:37:27am |
re: #691 Dark_Falcon
Yes, it was. I remember watching that scene. From what I read, it was shot in one take, partially because it was so painful for the cast. The actor who played Mr. Hooper (Will Lee) had died suddenly and the rest of the cast was in a lot of pain over his death. Wikipedia has a good piece on this.
CTW does a good job.
| 699 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:40:24am |
| 700 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:42:03am |
re: #697 oaktree
Heh. I'd love to see PBS sponsor a Republican candidate debate and then put Statler and Waldorf there are PBS commentators. It would be brutally hilarious. Imagine getting your wingnut viewpoint skewered and destroyed by a wise-cracking Muppet.
"That's OK, we know abortion bans."
"If at first your laws gets struck down, fail, fail again."
| 701 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:43:14am |
re: #700 Dark_Falcon
"That's OK, we know abortion bans."
"If at first your laws gets struck down, fail, fail again."
They seem old horn-dogs to me.
I can only imagine how'd they'd heckle the female candidates.
| 702 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:44:20am |
re: #694 Cannadian Club Akbar
A FB friend of mine posted a vid of every Luap Nor Q&A. Well, that didn't take long.
"I will restore the Republic"
in 25 words or less?
| 703 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:45:22am |
re: #701 ggt
They seem old horn-dogs to me.
I can only imagine how'd they'd heckle the female candidates.
Probably don't have to fallback on that given the material they'd have simply from the supported policy statements.
"Gold? GOLD? That means my teeth could support half the economy!"
| 704 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:45:30am |
| 706 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:48:15am |
| 707 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:49:26am |
| 708 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:49:36am |
re: #701 ggt
They seem old horn-dogs to me.
I can only imagine how'd they'd heckle the female candidates.
Nah. Bachmann would stare at them and then they'd turn to stone.
| 709 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:50:19am |
re: #708 Dark_Falcon
Nah. Bachmann would stare at them and then they'd turn to stone.
No, they are immune to gorgons. They are Muppets.
| 710 |
Varek Raith Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:50:56am |
| 711 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:51:36am |
re: #710 Varek Raith
I don't think anything is immune to the Cat Overlord.
Natural Law and all . . .
| 712 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:51:43am |
re: #708 Dark_Falcon
Nah. Bachmann would stare at them and then they'd turn to stone.
You make it sound like she is a Muppet Labs invention/experiment gone seriously wrong. maybe Beaker is out there stalking her with a butterfly net...
| 713 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:52:33am |
re: #712 oaktree
You make it sound like she is a Muppet Labs invention/experiment gone seriously wrong. maybe Beaker is out there stalking her with a butterfly net...
Nothing in the Muppet Labs could ever, ever result in a Stepford Wife.
HERETIC!
| 714 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:53:07am |
BREAKING NEWS!!!! Luap Nor wins an online poll
[Link: www.kcautv.com...]
| 715 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:53:17am |
Gates of Vienna has a linguistic analysis of Breivik's manifesto, implying it was partially written by an American.....
The Breivik Portfolio, Part One: The American Connection
Also speculating that the CIA may be involved...
Some of the indications:The unit had more people than usual.
They were focused on counter-terrorism.
There were other intelligence services involved.
They went to rallies and took photos.
They were pressuring Norway for lists of all terrorists, and Norway had not been cooperating.
Looking at it from one angle, this was normal behavior — the CIA was trying to do its job. But were they were also running some other type of operation?If they weren’t, then shouldn’t the Norwegians ask them why they didn’t pick up on Anders Breivik? After all, he was a right-winger who communicated extensively in the English language. Shouldn’t the CIA’s surveillance have detected him?
These are the dots, but there is no clear connection among them — several coincidences, some fascinating possibilities, but no hard data. We are left with hypothesis and conjecture.
| 716 |
Gus Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:53:43am |
re: #714 Cannadian Club Akbar
BREAKING NEWS!!! Luap Nor wins an online poll
[Link: www.kcautv.com...]
Amazing!
//
| 717 |
Varek Raith Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:54:31am |
re: #715 Killgore Trout
Gates of Vienna has a linguistic analysis of Breivik's manifesto, implying it was partially written by an American...
The Breivik Portfolio, Part One: The American Connection
Also speculating that the CIA may be involved...
Truthers.
| 718 |
Gus Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:54:38am |
re: #715 Killgore Trout
Gates of Vienna has a linguistic analysis of Breivik's manifesto, implying it was partially written by an American...
The Breivik Portfolio, Part One: The American Connection
Also speculating that the CIA may be involved...
...
Breivik Manifesto WAS AN INSIDE JOB!!11ty
| 719 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:54:55am |
| 720 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:54:59am |
re: #713 ggt
Nothing in the Muppet Labs could ever, ever result in a Stepford Wife.
HERETIC!
Something Dr Strangepork would come up with then?
| 721 |
Varek Raith Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:55:26am |
| 722 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:56:00am |
re: #715 Killgore Trout
Gates of Vienna has a linguistic analysis of Breivik's manifesto, implying it was partially written by an American...
The Breivik Portfolio, Part One: The American Connection
Also speculating that the CIA may be involved...
I've only had 1 cuppa.
It's too early for this kind of twisted thinking.
| 723 |
Gus Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:56:03am |
re: #721 Varek Raith
It was suspiciously found on some sort of grassy knoll.
There was a second shooter author.
| 724 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:56:43am |
re: #721 Varek Raith
It was suspiciously found on some sort of grassy knoll.
How does one get Knolls to stand still long enough for grass to grow on them? Trolls or Ents I can understand.
| 725 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:56:49am |
re: #713 ggt
Nothing in the Muppet Labs could ever, ever result in a Stepford Wife.
HERETIC!
Yes, but she's not a Stepford Wife. She's much worse: She's a simon-pure fanatic with a talent for getting others somewhat less fanatical to follow her. Her eyes radiate pure Bad Craziness. Not even a muppet can endure that, save only Gonzo. The nuttiness that follows in Gonzo's veins has given him enough immunity to allow him to survive the Gaze of Bachmann.
| 726 |
Gus Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:56:50am |
re: #722 ggt
I've only had 1 cuppa.
It's too early for this kind of twisted thinking.
This calls for a Cocoa Puffs breakfast.
Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs!
| 727 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:56:52am |
| 728 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:57:47am |
re: #725 Dark_Falcon
Yes, but she's not a Stepford Wife. She's much worse: She's a simon-pure fanatic with a talent for getting others somewhat less fanatical to follow her. Her eyes radiate pure Bad Craziness. Not even a muppet can endure that, save only Gonzo. The nuttiness that follows in Gonzo's veins has given him enough immunity to allow him to survive the Gaze of Bachmann.
No, sorry, Muppets are different. They are immune.
| 729 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:58:32am |
re: #716 Gus 802
Amazing!
//
I suspect that through the course of their "investigation" they are going to uncover that it was an Islamist-leftist plot with the help of the American and EU governments.
| 730 |
Varek Raith Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:58:44am |
| 731 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:58:54am |
re: #718 Gus 802
I think the idea is that Breivik was "No True Norwegianman".
I especially love the argument that he loved american computer games but professed to be nationalist. Apparently the GoV crowd thinks that's proof of something?
| 732 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:59:32am |
re: #715 Killgore Trout
Gates of Vienna has a linguistic analysis of Breivik's manifesto, implying it was partially written by an American...
The Breivik Portfolio, Part One: The American Connection
Also speculating that the CIA may be involved...
Halfway-serious question, tangential to the subject:
How did the CIA get a reputation as a shadowy, omnicompetent organization to which is often attributed nearly supernatural capabilities, when any half blind glance at reality tends to show the CIA has having mostly bumbled its ham-fisted, judgmentally-challenged way through history since its inception?
| 733 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:59:36am |
re: #726 Gus 802
This calls for a Cocoa Puffs breakfast.
Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs!
Actually, I think chocolate in any form (even processed) is the antidote.
| 734 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:00:28am |
re: #732 negativ
Halfway-serious question, tangential to the subject:
How did the CIA get a reputation as a shadowy, omnicompetent organization to which is often attributed nearly supernatural capabilities, when any half blind glance at reality tends to show the CIA has having mostly bumbled its ham-fisted, judgmentally-challenged way through history since its inception?
because they are paid to be permantly paranoid.
Unlike the rwnj's.
| 735 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:00:45am |
re: #715 Killgore Trout
Gates of Vienna has a linguistic analysis of Breivik's manifesto, implying it was partially written by an American...
The Breivik Portfolio, Part One: The American Connection
Also speculating that the CIA may be involved...
The problem with that idea is that Brevik was smart enough to keep his plans for violence to himself. He talked about 'resistance' and other loony topics, but he seems to have understood not to discuss what he was up to where it would attract law enforcement attention. But of course, GoV won't accept that. The GoV objective is to float "false flag" theories in order to distract people from the fact that they are in ideological agreement with a mass murderer.
| 736 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:01:15am |
re: #729 Killgore Trout
The EUSSR is to blame, for sure. The cultural marxists either planted their seeds of liberal hatred and opression that drove good-natured Breivik to his deeds, or he was a completely mind-controlled patsy who was directed in his every move by the New World Order in order to bring down the counterjihad movement as the last bastion of authentic nationalist resistance.
| 737 |
Gus Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:01:16am |
re: #732 negativ
Halfway-serious question, tangential to the subject:
How did the CIA get a reputation as a shadowy, omnicompetent organization to which is often attributed nearly supernatural capabilities, when any half blind glance at reality tends to show the CIA has having mostly bumbled its ham-fisted, judgmentally-challenged way through history since its inception?
Easy. Because the CIA is a direct descendent of the Illuminati and Freemasonry.
//
| 738 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:04:34am |
F--king little ants are in my house again.
No food out, bug-sprayed the perimeter.
Is it all the rain?
| 739 |
Varek Raith Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:05:26am |
God dammit!
So much for secret fortress of doom.
| 740 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:06:26am |
re: #732 negativ
Halfway-serious question, tangential to the subject:
How did the CIA get a reputation as a shadowy, omnicompetent organization to which is often attributed nearly supernatural capabilities, when any half blind glance at reality tends to show the CIA has having mostly bumbled its ham-fisted, judgmentally-challenged way through history since its inception?
It's their cover story, meticulously created to keep you unsuspecting of their true intentions.
To control every aspect of your life to ensure the Rapture.
| 741 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:06:57am |
re: #732 negativ
Halfway-serious question, tangential to the subject:
How did the CIA get a reputation as a shadowy, omnicompetent organization to which is often attributed nearly supernatural capabilities, when any half blind glance at reality tends to show the CIA has having mostly bumbled its ham-fisted, judgmentally-challenged way through history since its inception?
I think it's because a lot of those who hate government do so from a manichean background – the world is a struggle between pure good (their side, their religion) and evil (government, esp. secular government). The object of their hatred seems to have grand satanic powers to them – not because of government's actual powers, but because of the strength of their hatred for it.
| 742 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:07:15am |
| 743 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:08:00am |
re: #741 000G
Oh, and I also think that a lot of times, government feeds into that notion with their own propaganda.
Government myths.
Yeah.
| 744 |
Varek Raith Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:08:13am |
| 745 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:08:19am |
re: #732 negativ
Halfway-serious question, tangential to the subject:
How did the CIA get a reputation as a shadowy, omnicompetent organization to which is often attributed nearly supernatural capabilities, when any half blind glance at reality tends to show the CIA has having mostly bumbled its ham-fisted, judgmentally-challenged way through history since its inception?
Because the bumbling part is a front for the super-secret cross-Administration Illuminati-oriented black op part that is omni-competent and vying for control of the world against other such secret (and not-so-secret) organizations.
The other option is to be deemed supercompetent to the point that you are considered capable of literally anything - think Mossad.
All this almost sounds like playing Steve Jackson's Illuminati game. The Gnomes of Zurich are definitely behind some of this.
| 746 |
Gus Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:09:45am |
re: #745 oaktree
Because the bumbling part is a front for the super-secret cross-Administration Illuminati-oriented black op part that is omni-competent and vying for control of the world against other such secret (and not-so-secret) organizations.
The other option is to be deemed supercompetent to the point that you are considered capable of literally anything - think Mossad.
All this almost sounds like playing Steve Jackson's Illuminati game. The Gnomes of Zurich are definitely behind some of this.
We are forgetting another possibility
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GEORGE SOROS!
| 747 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:09:52am |
re: #745 oaktree
Because the bumbling part is a front for the super-secret cross-Administration Illuminati-oriented black op part that is omni-competent and vying for control of the world against other such secret (and not-so-secret) organizations.
The other option is to be deemed supercompetent to the point that you are considered capable of literally anything - think Mossad.
All this almost sounds like playing Steve Jackson's Illuminati game. The Gnomes of Zurich are definitely behind some of this.
Do they collect underpants?
| 748 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:10:46am |
re: #747 Dark_Falcon
Do they collect underpants?
Those gnomes were thrown out for not understanding the agenda.
| 749 |
Varek Raith Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:10:53am |
| 750 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:11:01am |
re: #745 oaktree
The Gnomes of Zurich are definitely behind some of this.
It's the Keebler Elves, dammit!
| 751 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:11:23am |
People seem to be unable to live with the idea of the unknown.
Free Will is too much a responsibility.
It's much easier to believe in Conspiracy Theories and Prophesy.
| 752 |
AK-47% Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:11:45am |
re: #732 negativ
Halfway-serious question, tangential to the subject:
How did the CIA get a reputation as a shadowy, omnicompetent organization to which is often attributed nearly supernatural capabilities, when any half blind glance at reality tends to show the CIA has having mostly bumbled its ham-fisted, judgmentally-challenged way through history since its inception?
Because of all the novels, movies and TV shows depicting it as a shadowy, omnicompetent organization with nearly supernatural capabilities.
And because it was happy to go along with this image rather than be seen than as a bunch of ham-fisted, judgementally challenged bunglers.
They also had to hire people with the best background checks, who often tended to be people like Aldrich Ames, who was son of a CIA agent, had little practical experience but but an easily traceable and verifiable history. And turned out to be not only incompetent but traitorous...
| 753 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:11:49am |
re: #750 000G
It's the Keebler Elves, dammit!
[Video]
You mean the Mind Control Fudge Stick cookies?
| 754 |
Varek Raith Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:11:59am |
re: #751 ggt
People seem to be unable to live with the idea of the unknown.
Free Will is too much a responsibility.It's much easier to believe in Conspiracy Theories and Prophesy.
I love the unknown.
| 755 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:12:17am |
re: #748 oaktree
Those gnomes were thrown out for not understanding the agenda.
So that's why Phase 2 was blank!
| 756 |
Gus Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:12:59am |
Closing Gates of Vienna. I still have a hard time understanding how so many people can maintain such a toxic level of paranoia and fear on a daily basis. Day in and day out. It's like they wake up every morning pissed off about Muslims and immigrants over there.
| 757 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:14:43am |
re: #756 Gus 802
Closing Gates of Vienna. I still have a hard time understanding how so many people can maintain such a toxic level of paranoia and fear on a daily basis. Day in and day out. It's like they wake up every morning pissed off about Muslims and immigrants over there.
Anger is a powerful vice.
| 758 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:14:55am |
re: #752 ralphieboy
Because of all the novels, movies and TV shows depicting it as a shadowy, omnicompetent organization with nearly supernatural capabilities.
And because it was happy to go along with this image rather than be seen than as a bunch of ham-fisted, judgementally challenged bunglers.
They also had to hire people with the best background checks, who often tended to be people like Aldrich Ames, who was son of a CIA agent, had little practical experience but but an easily traceable and verifiable history. And turned out to be not only incompetent but traitorous...
My brother loaned me _Charlie Wilson's War_ to read while on vacation. It puts across the CIA in the 70's and 80's as a bizarre mix of bureaucracy, Old Boys' Network, paranoid spy agency, and political punching bag.
| 759 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:15:03am |
re: #751 ggt
People seem to be unable to live with the idea of the unknown.
Free Will is too much a responsibility.It's much easier to believe in Conspiracy Theories and Prophesy.
Conspiracies...
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
| 760 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:15:03am |
re: #732 negativ
Halfway-serious question, tangential to the subject:
How did the CIA get a reputation as a shadowy, omnicompetent organization to which is often attributed nearly supernatural capabilities, when any half blind glance at reality tends to show the CIA has having mostly bumbled its ham-fisted, judgmentally-challenged way through history since its inception?
I'm sure they've pulled off some impressive feats of espionage over the years. I can't think of any but there's probably an impressive list. But the CIA, KGB, Mossad, etc are usually just tools for conspiracy theorists to justify their nutty ideas.
| 761 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:15:58am |
re: #760 Killgore Trout
I'm sure they've pulled off some impressive feats of espionage over the years. I can't think of any but there's probably an impressive list. But the CIA, KGB, Mossad, etc are usually just tools for conspiracy theorists to justify their nutty ideas.
Well, they did track down bin Laden. So they do have that to their recent credit.
| 762 |
Gus Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:16:55am |
re: #757 ggt
Anger is a powerful vice.
Yes. And here it is combined with the addictive nature of the internet. Almost as powerful as a morphine addiction.
| 763 |
Lidane Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:17:00am |
I spent last night cleaning my apartment so I missed all the debate silliness. How bad was it?
| 764 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:17:34am |
re: #759 Cannadian Club Akbar
Conspiracies...
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
Yeah, the idea that it was a conspiracy by 11 men and a group of Whackjobs seems to far-fetched for some people.
| 765 |
Daniel Ballard Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:17:37am |
re: #760 Killgore Trout
I suspect we would only hear of the failures, the majority of the successes would not come to light. Their successes tend to serve other branches of government. For instance if CIA winnows out the location of militants we just hear about a missile strike.
| 766 |
Gus Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:17:56am |
re: #760 Killgore Trout
I'm sure they've pulled off some impressive feats of espionage over the years. I can't think of any but there's probably an impressive list. But the CIA, KGB, Mossad, etc are usually just tools for conspiracy theorists to justify their nutty ideas.
Since so much of it, if not all, is unknown, the conspiracy theorists kooks get to fill in the blanks.
| 767 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:18:21am |
re: #762 Gus 802
Yes. And here it is combined with the addictive nature of the internet. Almost as powerful as a morphine addiction.
Frankly, I think it is more so.
To give-up anger, one must fear the fear that underlies it.
| 768 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:18:27am |
re: #763 Lidane
I spent last night cleaning my apartment so I missed all the debate silliness. How bad was it?
Reagan won.
| 769 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:19:20am |
| 771 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:20:29am |
re: #767 ggt
Frankly, I think it is more so.
To give-up anger, one must fear the fear that underlies it.
Thats cosmic, man!!
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| 772 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:20:37am |
re: #763 Lidane
I spent last night cleaning my apartment so I missed all the debate silliness. How bad was it?
Not too bad, if you were Romney. Bachmann and Pawlenty went after each other quite nastily.
| 773 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:21:13am |
| 774 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:21:48am |
re: #750 000G
It's the Keebler Elves, dammit!
[Video]
It can't be elves. Elves are good. They work for Santa.
| 775 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:22:18am |
re: #773 Dark_Falcon
GGT is a 'she, therefore: SMACK!
((( I know that ,,, but the hippie/dippie "Thats Cosmic" works better with "man" than with "chick", or "dudette")
| 776 |
Daniel Ballard Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:22:57am |
re: #772 Dark_Falcon
I missed it 'cause I was working on some video footage from the day job. Anything come up with Huntsman the one guy that seems somewhat moderate and sane?
| 778 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:24:33am |
re: #776 Rightwingconspirator
I missed it 'cause I was working on some video footage from the day job. Anything come up with Huntsman the one guy that seems somewhat moderate and sane?
Naw, he's as bat-shit as the rest.
| 779 |
Gus Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:24:58am |
Like wow man I feel like cold man. Man, I should like take a nap.
| 780 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:26:14am |
| 781 |
Gus Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:26:29am |
Bzzt...
NOAA: Heat wave leads to fourth warmest July on record for the U.S.
August 8, 2011
Persistent, scorching heat in the central and eastern regions of the United States shattered long-standing daily and monthly temperature records last month, making it the fourth warmest July on record nationally, according to scientists at NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center. The heat exacerbated drought conditions, resulting in the largest “exceptional” drought footprint in the 12-year history of the U.S. Drought Monitor. “Exceptional” is the most severe category of drought on the drought monitor scale. Drought conditions at several locations in the South region are not as long lived, but are as dry, or drier, than the historic droughts of the 1930s and 1950s.
The average U.S. temperature in July was 77.0 degrees F, which is 2.7 degrees F above the long-term (1901-2000) average. Precipitation, averaged across the nation, was 2.46 inches. This was 0.32 inch below the long-term average, with large variability between regions. This monthly analysis, based on records dating back to 1895, is part of the suite of climate services NOAA provides.
Continues.
| 782 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:27:29am |
Some see the former as a "righteous anger," which can become troublesome when we adopt the excuse for ourselves. Much violence has been committed in God's name, and suicide bombings and wars are tragic examples of two viewpoints, both justified to believers, clashing. In 2007, a study of almost 500 college students examined the effect of violence in Scripture. Half of the students were from Brigham Young University, a religious university associated with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. The other half were from Vrije Universiteit in Amsterdam. Of the Dutch students, 50 percent said they believed in God, and 27 percent believed in the Bible, while 99 percent of the Brigham Young students believed in God and the Bible [source: Bushman et al.].
| 783 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:27:49am |
| 784 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:29:21am |
re: #781 Gus 802
Bzzt...
NOAA: Heat wave leads to fourth warmest July on record for the U.S.
August 8, 2011
LaLaLaLa Not telling us what the truth is! Defund the NOAA!
| 785 |
Atlas Fails Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:30:33am |
re: #781 Gus 802
Bzzt...
NOAA: Heat wave leads to fourth warmest July on record for the U.S.
August 8, 2011
Yeah, but that's probably just because of the liberal communist conspiracy that is the heat index.
| 786 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:31:08am |
When sarcasm is written instead of spoken, the reader must be able to tell from the context as there is no intonation to rely upon. This difficulty may be the origin of the axiom "sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but the highest form of intelligence." Some writers have proposed the use of a sarcasm mark, an upside-down exclamation point at the end of a word or sentence to denote that it was intended to be taken as sarcastic. Sarcasm is often even less understood in online communication; ways of indicating sarcasm online include bolding the stressed word or phrase, putting it in quotation marks or even using faux tags like thanks.
;)
| 787 |
Gus Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:31:14am |
re: #776 Rightwingconspirator
I missed it 'cause I was working on some video footage from the day job. Anything come up with Huntsman the one guy that seems somewhat moderate and sane?
“...EPA's regulatory reign of terror...” That was Huntsman last night.
| 788 |
Shiplord Kirel Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:32:25am |
re: #573 kirkspencer
bzzt. Wrong - he survived.
Not wrong, different incident. The BBC report in your link is about a professional matador in Spain. The link is CCA's post is about a dead amateur in Colombia.
| 789 |
Gus Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:32:32am |
re: #785 Atlas Fails
Yeah, but that's probably just because of the liberal communist conspiracy that is the heat index.
Yep. Climate change is just another "false flag" operation by the same people that wrote Breivik's manifesto.
//
| 790 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:32:43am |
re: #785 Atlas Fails
Yeah, but that's probably just because of the liberal communist conspiracy that is the heat index.
Obama is using the weather machine to dry out and bake the Red States...
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| 791 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:33:04am |
re: #776 Rightwingconspirator
I missed it 'cause I was working on some video footage from the day job. Anything come up with Huntsman the one guy that seems somewhat moderate and sane?
| 792 |
lostlakehiker Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:33:16am |
re: #270 EmmmieG
Do you know what was weird? The Fox commentators were saying that Newt was a "damaged messenger" or something like that because he had "been around too long," or something else like that, or because his campaign was in trouble.
No mention of the fact that the chief strike against him is that he's a complete creep. The chief strike against him is leaving two sick wives for a younger model. That makes people dislike you.
Well, a Republican can't win. John Ashcroft sang in church in the choir. He never did anything low or nasty. And the Democrat complaint against him was that he was low and nasty because he was "sanctimonious"---by which they meant, not that he hectored other people for their faults, but that he declined to follow suit and be an ass himself.
Newt's an ass. But being a good person doesn't insulate a Republican from character assassination.
| 793 |
Kronocide Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:33:16am |
Dude, like we're going into an ice age, dude!
| 794 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:34:26am |
I have to accomplish something.
Have a great morning all!
| 795 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:34:36am |
re: #793 BigPapa
Dude, like we're going into an ice age, dude!
Is a GOP Ice Age getting an extra ice cube added to their scotch on the rocks?
| 796 |
Obdicut Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:35:33am |
re: #792 lostlakehiker
That's one mighty big victim card you're wielding there.
| 797 |
lostlakehiker Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:36:09am |
re: #790 oaktree
Obama is using the weather machine to dry out and bake the Red States...
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What does it take to be declared a federal disaster area? The damage done by the drought eclipses the damage done by flooding or tornadoes that get instant disaster area recognition.
There's a delicious irony here, yeah---Texas is a hotbed of AGW denial. Even as it suffers the consequences. So screw-em? But the law on disaster relief doesn't have a screw-em provision, not that I've seen.
| 798 |
Gus Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:36:17am |
re: #790 oaktree
Obama is using the weather machine to dry out and bake the Red States...
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And if he's not using the Weather Machine (same one Cheney used for Katrina) then he wants people to not think he's using it so people will invariably think he's not using it. Reverse osmosis psyops.
//
| 799 |
Atlas Fails Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:37:15am |
re: #792 lostlakehiker
Well, a Republican can't win. John Ashcroft sang in church in the choir. He never did anything low or nasty. And the Democrat complaint against him was that he was low and nasty because he was "sanctimonious"---by which they meant, not that he hectored other people for their faults, but that he declined to follow suit and be an ass himself.
Newt's an ass. But being a good person doesn't insulate a Republican from character assassination.
And Democrats have never been the targets of character assassination. Grow up.
| 800 |
darthstar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:37:17am |
Some of my fb friends call Michele Bachmann "the beard" (because she provides fabulous cover for her husband)...gives "Fear the beard" a whole new meaning.
| 802 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:38:15am |
re: #763 Lidane
I spent last night cleaning my apartment so I missed all the debate silliness. How bad was it?
The moderators were far less terrible than they could have been.
| 803 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:39:51am |
re: #797 lostlakehiker
What does it take to be declared a federal disaster area? The damage done by the drought eclipses the damage done by flooding or tornadoes that get instant disaster area recognition.
There's a delicious irony here, yeah---Texas is a hotbed of AGW denial. Even as it suffers the consequences. So screw-em? But the law on disaster relief doesn't have a screw-em provision, not that I've seen.
I think the state governor would have to request Federal level help for a Federal Disaster Area to be declared.
[Link: www.fema.gov...]
| 804 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:41:44am |
re: #796 Obdicut
That's one mighty big victim card you're wielding there.
But in Ashcroft's case it fits, Obdi. I remember a early 2001 episode of Dennis Miller's HBO show where Alfrie Woodard excoriated John Ashcroft, accusing him of racial separatism. No evidence was offered to support that accusation, nor was any offered to support the myriad other accusations thrown at the man. It was like he was simply deemed evil for being evangelical and a conservative. So yes, Obdi, sometimes Republicans can't get a fair shake from the media.
| 805 |
lostlakehiker Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:41:51am |
re: #796 Obdicut
That's one mighty big victim card you're wielding there.
Do you remember how Ashcroft was treated? If not, you could Google it. Or we could go on. Clarence Thomas. It was clear at the time, and it is clear now, that he didn't sexually harass Anita Hill.
That charge was just what Thomas said it was. The defining moment was when Sen. Metzenbaum argued that the many other women who had been made to wait until the early AM hours to testify that from what they'd seen he was a perfect gentleman---that "we don't need to hear their testimony, because we already know what they'll say."
Faugh. Character assassination is easy if the target is, say, Hillary Clinton. Just point to the utter statistical impossibility of her cattle futures "trading" results. But generally speaking, the press maintains a discreet silence on that. But when you have somebody who isn't a creep, just a Republican, the machinery goes into high gear.
| 806 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:43:15am |
re: #802 negativ
The moderators were far less terrible than they could have been.
Newt was pretty pissed about some of the questions. But the format of the debate really didn't highlight economic issues very well and let the candidates skate by with very vague answers about specifics. It's going to get much tougher when the moderators and non-Fox employees. The GOP candidates are in for quite a shock when their buzzwords are no longer tolerated as answers.
| 807 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:45:18am |
re: #803 oaktree
I think the state governor would have to request Federal level help for a Federal Disaster Area to be declared.
[Link: www.fema.gov...]
Back in March, Texas Governor Rick Perry requested a statewide disaster declaration from FEMA that would give the state financial aid to combat the fires..
[Link: www.ketknbc.com...]
| 808 |
Atlas Fails Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:45:35am |
re: #805 lostlakehiker
Do you remember how Ashcroft was treated? If not, you could Google it. Or we could go on. Clarence Thomas. It was clear at the time, and it is clear now, that he didn't sexually harass Anita Hill.
That charge was just what Thomas said it was. The defining moment was when Sen. Metzenbaum argued that the many other women who had been made to wait until the early AM hours to testify that from what they'd seen he was a perfect gentleman---that "we don't need to hear their testimony, because we already know what they'll say."
Faugh. Character assassination is easy if the target is, say, Hillary Clinton. Just point to the utter statistical impossibility of her cattle futures "trading" results. But generally speaking, the press maintains a discreet silence on that. But when you have somebody who isn't a creep, just a Republican, the machinery goes into high gear.
Hmmm, I recall the press running with a story that smeared the decorated service of a certain anti-war Democratic presidential candidate.
| 809 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:47:17am |
re: #806 Killgore Trout
Newt was pretty pissed about some of the questions. But the format of the debate really didn't highlight economic issues very well and let the candidates skate by with very vague answers about specifics. It's going to get much tougher when the moderators and non-Fox employees. The GOP candidates are in for quite a shock when their buzzwords are no longer tolerated as answers.
It already was tougher when they debated on CNN. They do that at least once more. But it's really hard to measure a candidate from these early "cattle show" debates. We need to wait till marginal candidates like Santorum and Cain are gone to really see what the major candidates can do.
| 810 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:49:45am |
re: #808 Atlas Fails
Hmmm, I recall the press running with a story that smeared the decorated service of a certain anti-war Democratic presidential candidate.
They had to cover that. It was too big an issue to ignore. The charges were getting too much commercial time. But they didn't go out of there way to report on it, like they did in going after Ashcroft.
| 811 |
Atlas Fails Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:50:44am |
re: #809 Dark_Falcon
It already was tougher when they debated on CNN. They do that at least once more. But it's really hard to measure a candidate from these early "cattle show" debates. We need to wait till marginal candidates like Santorum and Cain are gone to really see what the major candidates can do.
Agreed. Way to much time was allotted for silliness like the Bachmann/Pawlenty catfight. The moderators did a lot better than I expected though, especially Wallace.
| 812 |
Daniel Ballard Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:51:31am |
What a shame. We have our "James Earl Carter" figure in Obama. Now don't get mad folks, I refer to his position vis a vis the poor economy, perception and his approval ratings only here. Obama may be less popular with his base than Carter was at this point.
We have no "Ronald Reagan" figure. That may save the Obama presidency re-election. Nobody is catching on anything like what Ronald Reagan did. On the right we got nothin. And that my left or right leaning friends is what we call a lack of proper checks and balances. A rather singular & poignant dysfunction.
| 813 |
Gus Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:52:38am |
Crap. Crap. Crap. Fucking people drive me nuts. No, It's not anyone here.
| 814 |
Lidane Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:53:20am |
re: #804 Dark_Falcon
Ashcroft deserved every bit of scorn heaped on him and then some. Any asshole who covers up a statue instead of moving the location where he's photographed is too stupid to avoid mockery.
| 815 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:53:35am |
re: #811 Atlas Fails
Agreed. Way to much time was allotted for silliness like the Bachmann/Pawlenty catfight. The moderators did a lot better than I expected though, especially Wallace.
If Wallace and Gromit moderated a debate would all the questions be about cheese, inventions, and how the British Health System handled dentistry? (With Gromit never getting a word in and just looking frustrated.)
| 816 |
Interesting Times Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:54:30am |
Ashcroft most richly deserved the ridicule he got for this:
No longer will US Attorney General John Ashcroft appear in public with a semi-nude statue towering above him.
The US Justice Department has spent $8,000 on curtains to hide the statue from the cameras.
Fiscal and social conservatism! 9_9
| 818 |
Daniel Ballard Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:56:24am |
re: #816 publicityStunted
$8000 once beats $2000 of frequent rentals. How did "Rent To Own" get that contract?
From that link
Hix said the Justice Department bought the drapes to avoid having to rent them every time the agency had a formal event. The drapes cost about $2,000 to rent.
He also said Ashcroft was not involved in the decision.
"The attorney general was not even aware of the situation," he said. "Obviously, he has more important things to do."
| 819 |
Lidane Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:58:32am |
re: #818 Rightwingconspirator
1. If a half naked statue offends your sensibilities, it doesn't matter if you rent or buy the damn drapes. You're still a prudish idiot with serious problems.
2. Know what's cheaper than buying or renting those drapes? Moving the camera locations.
| 821 |
Interesting Times Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:00:04am |
| 822 |
Daniel Ballard Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:00:53am |
re: #819 Lidane
I'm no fan of Ashcroft. I'm no fan of unfair criticisms either just because someone is a jerk. Plenty of legit material to beat him up with.
"In the past, snagging a photo of the attorney general in front of the statues has been something of a sport for photographers.
When former Attorney General Edwin Meese released a report on pornography in the 1980s, photographers dived to the floor to capture the image of him raising the report in the air, with the partially nude female statue behind him."
Why indulge the paparazzi press corps?
| 823 |
Daniel Ballard Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:01:50am |
re: #821 publicityStunted
Now that's funny.
| 825 |
Obdicut Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:02:36am |
re: #804 Dark_Falcon
But in Ashcroft's case it fits, Obdi. I remember a early 2001 episode of Dennis Miller's HBO show where Alfrie Woodard excoriated John Ashcroft, accusing him of racial separatism. No evidence was offered to support that accusation, nor was any offered to support the myriad other accusations thrown at the man. It was like he was simply deemed evil for being evangelical and a conservative. So yes, Obdi, sometimes Republicans can't get a fair shake from the media.
I'm sorry, I've lost track of the enemy. Lostlakehiker was talking about this being a "Democrat" smear, and now you're saying it was the media. Who was it who were being such big meanies?
Ashcroft was sanctimonious. It's a perfectly true description of him. Al Gore is also sanctimonious, for that matter.
| 826 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:02:59am |
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:03:22am |
re: #738 ggt
F--king little ants are in my house again.
No food out, bug-sprayed the perimeter.
Is it all the rain?
Boric acid destroys the little buggers.
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Obdicut Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:03:48am |
re: #822 Rightwingconspirator
Why indulge the paparazzi press corps?
Because they're making a good point of the hypocrisy of the censorship?
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:07:29am |
re: #805 lostlakehiker
Do you remember how Ashcroft was treated? If not, you could Google it. Or we could go on. Clarence Thomas. It was clear at the time, and it is clear now, that he didn't sexually harass Anita Hill.
Really? It was that clear? It's that clear?
//Good morning everyone.
| 830 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:08:21am |
re: #805 lostlakehiker
Faugh. Character assassination is easy if the target is, say, Hillary Clinton. Just point to the utter statistical impossibility of her cattle futures "trading" results. But generally speaking, the press maintains a discreet silence on that.
How many years of obsession over Whitewater are we glossing over there?
| 831 |
Varek Raith Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:08:28am |
re: #814 Lidane
Ashcroft deserved every bit of scorn heaped on him and then some. Any asshole who covers up a statue instead of moving the location where he's photographed is too stupid to avoid mockery.
Boobies!
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:09:16am |
re: #810 Dark_Falcon
They had to cover that. It was too big an issue to ignore. The charges were getting too much commercial time. But they didn't go out of there way to report on it, like they did in going after Ashcroft.
So, the press is 'covering' stories about the other guys, but 'targeting' your guys? Seriously.
| 833 |
Varek Raith Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:12:21am |
The media did a piss poor job of debunking the Swift Boat bullshit against Kerry.
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wrenchwench Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:13:06am |
re: #805 lostlakehiker
It was clear at the time, and it is clear now, that he didn't sexually harass Anita Hill.
Linky?
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Varek Raith Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:13:26am |
The media was real consistent with labeling the debt ceiling crisis as a "both parties are a fault" kind of fight.
Really???
| 836 |
HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:14:18am |
re: #833 Varek Raith
The media did a piss poor job of debunking the Swift Boat bullshit against Kerry.
Yeah I thought it was absolute crap. Say what you want to about what Kerry did afterwards but the Swift Boat Vets attacked his actual service which was slimy and pathetic. The guys who actually served directly with Kerry not surprisingly were defending him but we never heard that story by and large. Oh and a lot of those guys had even campaigned for Kerry in 1996 when he ran against Weld for re-election.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:15:17am |
Honestly Ashcroft especially if he spent 8 grand on drapes deserved all the ridicule he could get it. It's a statue. If you can't handle the site of bare boobs on a statue then God help you. It also made Ashcroft look like a total loon.
| 838 |
Varek Raith Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:15:31am |
The media is far more sensationalist than they are biased.
| 839 |
HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:16:00am |
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wrenchwench Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:16:25am |
re: #812 Rightwingconspirator
What a shame. We have our "James Earl Carter" figure in Obama. Now don't get mad folks, I refer to his position vis a vis the poor economy, perception and his approval ratings only here. Obama may be less popular with his base than Carter was at this point.
You say, "with his base". Do you want to define that? Is "his base" what matters? or is it the independent voters who put him in the White House and will probably keep him there?
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Obdicut Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:16:44am |
re: #838 Varek Raith
The media is far more sensationalist than they are biased.
They're also biased against science and anything that takes more than 45 seconds to explain.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:17:44am |
re: #828 Obdicut
The only hypocrisy there was invented and false. Meese was not taking the porn report to prosecute boobs on statues. I guess a conservative take on public decorum is out of fashion.
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Obdicut Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:18:57am |
re: #842 Rightwingconspirator
The only hypocrisy there was invented and false.
No, our culture is very, very hypocritical about sexuality, and almost all of our obscenity laws reflect that.
Meese was not taking the porn report to prosecute boobs on statues. I guess a conservative take on public decorum is out of fashion.
I'm sorry, is the 'public decorum' part covering up nude statues?
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:19:06am |
re: #840 wrenchwench
His base is the slight to middle to far left leaners, Democrats or not. From what I see and read the left is not happy with President Obama.
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Lidane Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:19:29am |
re: #822 Rightwingconspirator
Why indulge the paparazzi press corps?
Here's a thought, and it applies to both Meese and Ashcroft -- if you're going to be a sanctimonious asshole while in office, expect people to work to point out your hypocrisy.
Also, if the statues are a problem for your media image, move the cameras. Simple as that.
| 847 |
Varek Raith Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:19:55am |
re: #842 Rightwingconspirator
The only hypocrisy there was invented and false. Meese was not taking the porn report to prosecute boobs on statues. I guess a conservative take on public decorum is out of fashion.
It is when you spend 8 grand covering it up as opposed to moving the freaking cameras.
;)
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Atlas Fails Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:20:16am |
re: #841 Obdicut
They're also biased against science and anything that takes more than 45 seconds to explain.
The best example of this is the vaccine controversy. Why was a movement spearheaded by a discredited quack and Jim fucking Carrey given an air of legitimacy by the media despite the fact that no reputable doctor has endorsed it, and in fact any doctor worth his salt will tell you it's a crock? Because the media loves moral panics, especially when the children are involved.
| 849 |
Obdicut Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:20:33am |
re: #847 Varek Raith
It is when you spend 8 grand covering it up as opposed to moving the freaking cameras.
;)
Or where you give the press release from.
| 851 |
Shropshire_Slasher Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:21:02am |
re: #838 Varek Raith
They got 24 hours to fill dontchya know
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:22:39am |
re: #845 Rightwingconspirator
His base is the slight to middle to far left leaners, Democrats or not. From what I see and read the left is not happy with President Obama.
The far left doesn't vote for Democrats, normally. Some of them got carried away in 2008. They are probably gone, and Obama will have to make that back up out of independents and routine Democratic voters who went with McCain last time. Not a daunting task, since the far left is loud, but numerically quite small and demographically unimportant.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:23:02am |
I remember the vaccine crap. Oh man you guys have no idea how much that shit pisses me off. I've got Asperger's which many people say is a form of high functioning autism and these idiots were trying to act like if the vaccines were the cause. Now if they were, wouldn't one think that they'd be more people like me growing up? Only other person I knew in school with Asperger's was from Seattle originally- on the otherside of the whole country from me.
| 854 |
Varek Raith Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:23:50am |
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Obdicut Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:23:58am |
re: #853 HappyWarrior
There was an explosion of diagnosis of Asperger's and autism which helped to fuel the myth; a lot of those were misdiagnoses. It's tricky, since autism is a spectrum disorder.
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garhighway Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:24:26am |
re: #805 lostlakehiker
Do you remember how Ashcroft was treated? If not, you could Google it. Or we could go on. Clarence Thomas. It was clear at the time, and it is clear now, that he didn't sexually harass Anita Hill.
That charge was just what Thomas said it was. The defining moment was when Sen. Metzenbaum argued that the many other women who had been made to wait until the early AM hours to testify that from what they'd seen he was a perfect gentleman---that "we don't need to hear their testimony, because we already know what they'll say."
Faugh. Character assassination is easy if the target is, say, Hillary Clinton. Just point to the utter statistical impossibility of her cattle futures "trading" results. But generally speaking, the press maintains a discreet silence on that. But when you have somebody who isn't a creep, just a Republican, the machinery goes into high gear.
Wow.
I would respectfully disagree that "it is clear Thomas did not harass Anita Hill". It might be clear to Virginia Thomas and you, but that's about it.
What is clear is that he was a terrible nominee who has become a terrible Justice. He adds nothing to the process. No original thought, no original analysis, no participation in the arguments, nothing. He serves as an automatic vote for whatever Scalia says, and that's it. He is the personification of an empty robe. I would have thought we aspired to more from our Justices, be they conservative or liberal.
And your sense of victimhood is remarkable. Conservatives don't get a free pass? Last time I checked, whoremonger Vitter was still in the Senate, while Anthony Weiner, who never laid a finger on any woman not his wife, was drummed out under an avalanche of bad press.
The press covers what they cover because of what sells, not ideology. Vitter should like them: they're whores, too.
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:25:02am |
re: #855 Obdicut
There was an explosion of diagnosis of Asperger's and autism which helped to fuel the myth; a lot of those were misdiagnoses. It's tricky, since autism is a spectrum disorder.
Also, people want to have Asperger's. It's cool and it's a convenient excuse for having crappy social skills.
| 858 |
Lidane Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:25:38am |
re: #833 Varek Raith
The media did a piss poor job of debunking the Swift Boat bullshit against Kerry.
Between the Swift Boat bullshit and the seemingly never-ending birth certificate controversy, we haven't been able to get rid of that nutbag Jerome Corsi in years.
| 859 |
HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:25:50am |
re: #857 Alouette
Also, people want to have Asperger's. It's cool and it's a convenient excuse for having crappy social skills.
Yeah I've seen that. My social skills used to be crappy, now they're merely mediocre and on the rise.
| 860 |
iossarian Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:26:26am |
re: #859 HappyWarrior
Yeah I've seen that. My social skills used to be crappy, now they're merely mediocre and on the rise.
Great selling point BTW: "You'll like me more in a couple of years' time!"
| 861 |
Obdicut Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:26:40am |
re: #859 HappyWarrior
Do you have inappropriate volume? That's my favorite thing about my friend with Asperger's. He's a very enthusiastic guy and just has no indoor voice.
| 862 |
McSpiff Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:27:02am |
re: #842 Rightwingconspirator
The only hypocrisy there was invented and false. Meese was not taking the porn report to prosecute boobs on statues. I guess a conservative take on public decorum is out of fashion.
Well, that statue was installed in 1933, David was constructed in 1504, Michelangelo's Pieta shows a nearly naked Christ...in a church! The ceiling of the Sistine Chapel even shows a.... penis!
Seriously, being butthurt over a statue's boob is not conservative in the least. Unless you're suggesting the Catholic Church of the 1400s is too liberal with its decore, its a modern, evangelical position. Please identify it as such.
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Atlas Fails Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:28:57am |
re: #857 Alouette
Also, people want to have Asperger's. It's cool and it's a convenient excuse for having crappy social skills.
So true. Whenever someone wants to act like a dick, they diagnose themselves with ADD or Asperger's. If I actually had one of those conditions, I'd be seriously pissed that everyone high school kid who can't get laid attributed it to a disorder they read about on the internet.
| 864 |
McSpiff Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:29:04am |
re: #862 McSpiff
Well, that statue was installed in 1933, David was constructed in 1504, Michelangelo's Pieta shows a nearly naked Christ...in a church! The ceiling of the Sistine Chapel even shows a... penis!
Seriously, being butthurt over a statue's boob is not conservative in the least. Unless you're suggesting the Catholic Church of the 1400s is too liberal with its decore, its a modern, evangelical position. Please identify it as such.
Ah crap, I read decorum as decore in RWC original post. Sorry buddy.
| 865 |
HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:29:13am |
re: #861 Obdicut
Do you have inappropriate volume? That's my favorite thing about my friend with Asperger's. He's a very enthusiastic guy and just has no indoor voice.
A little bit, yeah now that you mention it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:30:41am |
re: #857 Alouette
Also, people want to have Asperger's. It's cool and it's a convenient excuse for having crappy social skills.
I'd disagree, a bit. I think there are a lot of parents who want a diagnosis, an IEP and public recognition for any quirk of their child's, but at the same time, I've met a couple of Aspergers adults who suffered through childhood and adolescence without a diagnosis, and that simply sucks beyond belief.
| 867 |
Obdicut Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:31:22am |
re: #865 HappyWarrior
A little bit, yeah now that you mention it.
I have a signal I give him when we're out together, but it only lasts for a few minutes before he rockets back up agian. Luckily, his job and obsession are sailboats and working on them, where shouting is usually perfectly appropriate.
| 868 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:31:36am |
re: #859 HappyWarrior
Yeah I've seen that. My social skills used to be crappy, now they're merely mediocre and on the rise.
You do fine on the Internet, I must say. That's not to say that other areas aren't a challenge, just that you don't come across as not being able to interact while typing.
| 869 |
Atlas Fails Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:31:39am |
re: #863 Atlas Fails
So true. Whenever someone wants to act like a dick, they diagnose themselves with ADD or Asperger's. If I actually had one of those conditions, I'd be seriously pissed that every high school kid who can't get laid attributed it to a disorder they read about on the internet.
My poor typing skills are due to chronic Lyme disease./
| 870 |
HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:31:48am |
re: #860 iossarian
Great selling point BTW: "You'll like me more in a couple of years' time!"
Hahaha it wasn't that I was a dickhead to people but man oh man did I struggle with eye contact. Oh and when I was 7-9 years old, I couldn't actually go to the front door of my best friend's house and I was a nervous wreck about using the phone because of fear someone else would pick up the phone. I got a little embarassed/traumatized when I called him and his sister picked up and I mistook her for him. But times are a changing since I was able to call the Vermont Historical Society and State Archives for a project at work last week so woot :).
| 871 |
Obdicut Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:31:59am |
re: #866 SanFranciscoZionist
I've had a bunch of friends try to self-diagnose with Asperger's when they were just geeks who needed to gut up and socialize more.
| 872 |
Varek Raith Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:32:37am |
re: #868 SanFranciscoZionist
You do fine on the Internet, I must say. That's not to say that other areas aren't a challenge, just that you don't come across as not being able to interact while typing.
Same here.
Over the internet, I'm fine.
In person? I'd avoid talking to any of you for a while.
| 873 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:34:15am |
re: #852 SanFranciscoZionist
The far left doesn't vote for Democrats, normally. Some of them got carried away in 2008. They are probably gone, and Obama will have to make that back up out of independents and routine Democratic voters who went with McCain last time. Not a daunting task, since the far left is loud, but numerically quite small and demographically unimportant.
I think that's pretty accurate. Obama's approval ratings aren't great but I think that's mostly tied to the economy and general frustration. I don't see any indication that the Dem base is abondoning Obama. If anything they're more motivated that ever with recall efforts in Wisconsin. I'm not really part of the Dem base but I'm very motivated to pull the D lever after the debt ceiling debate.
| 874 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:35:08am |
re: #860 iossarian
Great selling point BTW: "You'll like me more in a couple of years' time!"
One of my friends has a daughter whose diagnosis is vaguely 'something on the autism spectrum. No, not Aspergers, that is quite specific, no, it's just...something on the autism spectrum."
She's experimented with a therapy program where they get kids with similar diagnoses together and have them interact socially, under a therapist's guidance.
The daughter commented that if she's supposed to learn to interact with other people, how in God's name could she be expected to do that in a room full of OTHER slightly autistic people? She was not so impressed.
I plan to start a therapy program where we pair kids like her with those wildly peppy, over-socially-ept girls, and let them go to Starbucks together. The peppy girls will get work experience, everyone gets Frappucinos and at least there will so some real modeling of how to be socially able going on. If they don't kill each other.
| 875 |
iossarian Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:36:06am |
re: #873 Killgore Trout
I think that's pretty accurate. Obama's approval ratings aren't great but I think that's mostly tied to the economy and general frustration. I don't see any indication that the Dem base is abondoning Obama. If anything they're more motivated that ever with recall efforts in Wisconsin. I'm not really part of the Dem base but I'm very motivated to pull the D lever after the debt ceiling debate.
I agree, if anything I think there's a swing back towards the Dems in terms of enthusiasm. Combination of some Republican supporters being turned off by the ongoing extremism and Democrats rebounding from their lack of effort in 2010.
| 876 |
Varek Raith Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:36:38am |
re: #874 SanFranciscoZionist
One of my friends has a daughter whose diagnosis is vaguely 'something on the autism spectrum. No, not Aspergers, that is quite specific, no, it's just...something on the autism spectrum."
She's experimented with a therapy program where they get kids with similar diagnoses together and have them interact socially, under a therapist's guidance.
The daughter commented that if she's supposed to learn to interact with other people, how in God's name could she be expected to do that in a room full of OTHER slightly autistic people? She was not so impressed.
I plan to start a therapy program where we pair kids like her with those wildly peppy, over-socially-ept girls, and let them go to Starbucks together. The peppy girls will get work experience, everyone gets Frappucinos and at least there will so some real modeling of how to be socially able going on. If they don't kill each other.
I'll be the one sitting outside. Away from the annoying one.
;)
| 877 |
Varek Raith Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:38:29am |
TBH, I'm extremely uncomfortable being around people in general. I just can't stand it. Interacting with them is the same.
Why? I dunno.
| 878 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:38:55am |
re: #870 HappyWarrior
Hahaha it wasn't that I was a dickhead to people but man oh man did I struggle with eye contact. Oh and when I was 7-9 years old, I couldn't actually go to the front door of my best friend's house and I was a nervous wreck about using the phone because of fear someone else would pick up the phone. I got a little embarassed/traumatized when I called him and his sister picked up and I mistook her for him. But times are a changing since I was able to call the Vermont Historical Society and State Archives for a project at work last week so woot :).
Good progress!
My best friend's ex-husband was diagnosed with Aspergers in his thirties. Before that, we just had no idea what it was.
I recall that once we called to get directions to their new apartment, and he answered the phone, thinking we were someone else. She was out. He gamely attempted to give us directions, but since he had trouble speaking on the phone, it was a little dicey.
We did get there.
The diagnosis was a huge relief. He did get a little too into it, but just knowing what it was helped everyone out a lot.
| 879 |
engineer cat Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:38:57am |
re: #858 Lidane
Between the Swift Boat bullshit and the seemingly never-ending birth certificate controversy, we haven't been able to get rid of that nutbag Jerome Corsi in years.
i guess we have to expect some gross fabrication about obama to pop up and play a prominent part in the 2012 campaign
| 880 |
HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:39:03am |
re: #868 SanFranciscoZionist
You do fine on the Internet, I must say. That's not to say that other areas aren't a challenge, just that you don't come across as not being able to interact while typing.
Thanks. It's been a process I have to say. I actually did all right in elementary school but elementary school I had my best friend most of that time and elementary school I had a clique. Now in middle school and beyond it was tougher because people started finding their permanent cliques and I got bullied a little (not terribly) but enough to make me sensitive to bullying. I did community college for a few years before getting in to the 4 year university I am at now and about to graduate from at 24. That was initially a challenge but it's all been on the up since I first went overseas three years ago and started at GMU. I think people who knew me growing up when they see me at the reunion in four years are gonna be shocked since I am far more at ease with people then I used to. I take more risks than I ever did back then.
| 881 |
Atlas Fails Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:39:21am |
re: #875 iossarian
I agree, if anything I think there's a swing back towards the Dems in terms of enthusiasm. Combination of some Republican supporters being turned off by the ongoing extremism and Democrats rebounding from their lack of effort in 2010.
Hopefully Democrats have learned their lesson about sitting elections out and pouting from the 2010 disaster and ensuing madness. If you don't want the White House TP'ed, get the fuck out and vote for Obama!
| 882 |
engineer cat Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:40:09am |
more Fun With Dictionaries
"submission means respect"
- michelle bachmann
| 883 |
garhighway Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:40:45am |
re: #857 Alouette
Also, people want to have Asperger's. It's cool and it's a convenient excuse for having crappy social skills.
The Onion ran a funny piece about a reporter with Asperger's covering a train crash. He was mainly concerned about whether the train was damaged.
| 884 |
HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:40:46am |
re: #879 engineer dog
i guess we have to expect some gross fabrication about obama to pop up and play a prominent part in the 2012 campaign
Maybe Jerome Corsi will tell us the real mastermind of 9-11---------- Barack Hussein Obama. I'm being serious here, I wouldn't put anything past that guy.
| 885 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:41:11am |
re: #877 Varek Raith
TBH, I'm extremely uncomfortable being around people in general. I just can't stand it. Interacting with them is the same.
Why? I dunno.
I'm the same way. I'll make friendly chat with the neighbors for 10 minutes or so but that's about my limit. I love my solitude and am grateful everyday for it. I'm never lonely and very rarely bored. I just like being alone. A lot of people have a hard time understanding that.
| 886 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:41:30am |
re: #879 engineer dog
i guess we have to expect some gross fabrication about obama to pop up and play a prominent part in the 2012 campaign
I think adultery is the only card they haven't played yet. That and cannibalism.
//Seriously, what's left?
| 887 |
garhighway Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:41:47am |
re: #882 engineer dog
more Fun With Dictionaries
"submission means respect"
- michelle bachmann
The follow up question should have been to ask whether, in the course of campaigning, she was using any other words to mean things different from their dictionary definitions.
| 888 |
Atlas Fails Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:42:07am |
re: #879 engineer dog
i guess we have to expect some gross fabrication about obama to pop up and play a prominent part in the 2012 campaign
2012? Look at 2008. Birth certificate, sekrit Mooslim, Jeremiah Wright, black nationalist...the GOP really threw the kitchen sink at him. I'm not sure what else they have left, except the always stinging insult "community organizer."
| 889 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:42:31am |
re: #882 engineer dog
more Fun With Dictionaries
"submission means respect"
- michelle bachmann
This is something to do with marriage?
| 890 |
Varek Raith Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:42:48am |
re: #885 Killgore Trout
I'm the same way. I'll make friendly chat with the neighbors for 10 minutes or so but that's about my limit. I love my solitude and am grateful everyday for it. I'm never lonely and very rarely bored. I just like being alone. A lot of people have a hard time understanding that.
Same here.
:)
| 891 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:42:52am |
re: #840 wrenchwench
You say, "with his base". Do you want to define that? Is "his base" what matters? or is it the independent voters who put him in the White House and will probably keep him there?
With any politician the base is important, because the base plays a key role in getting independents to vote for them. But these days the swing voters are diminishing and the base is growing.
| 892 |
Winny Spencer Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:43:11am |
re: #885 Killgore Trout
I'm the same way. I'll make friendly chat with the neighbors for 10 minutes or so but that's about my limit. I love my solitude and am grateful everyday for it. I'm never lonely and very rarely bored. I just like being alone. A lot of people have a hard time understanding that.
I wouldn't want to travel through life any other way than by myself.
| 893 |
Varek Raith Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:43:41am |
re: #889 SanFranciscoZionist
This is something to do with marriage?
Marriage between same-sex corporations is strictly forbidden!
| 894 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:43:44am |
re: #883 garhighway
The Onion ran a funny piece about a reporter with Asperger's covering a train crash. He was mainly concerned about whether the train was damaged.
I have to say, I love students with true Aspergers. I had a kid get up in class one time and give essentially a lecture on the process of building an igloo. This wasn't an assigned topic, but he knew a lot about igloos, and it tied in with the class topic, so I sort of let him go.
| 895 |
HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:44:15am |
re: #883 garhighway
The Onion ran a funny piece about a reporter with Asperger's covering a train crash. He was mainly concerned about whether the train was damaged.
They've featured him in a couple I believe. It's weird for me seeing other people with Asperger's on screen really. I did see that romantic comedy with Josh Harnett called Mozart and the Whale which was about two people with Asperger's falling in love. I did not see the one called Adam about a guy with Asperger's who falls for a girl without it.
| 896 |
Atlas Fails Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:44:28am |
re: #886 SanFranciscoZionist
I think adultery is the only card they haven't played yet. That and cannibalism.
//Seriously, what's left?
Nope, a few far right publications accused Obama of participating in a gay orgy around 2004 (not 100% on the year). I won't supply a link, but you can find it on your own if you really want to.
| 897 |
Lidane Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:44:44am |
re: #886 SanFranciscoZionist
I think adultery is the only card they haven't played yet. That and cannibalism.
//Seriously, what's left?
They've got more than enough outrage about him being President While Black that the rest is just details.
| 898 |
Varek Raith Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:45:03am |
re: #894 SanFranciscoZionist
I have to say, I love students with true Aspergers. I had a kid get up in class one time and give essentially a lecture on the process of building an igloo. This wasn't an assigned topic, but he knew a lot about igloos, and it tied in with the class topic, so I sort of let him go.
You'll be thankful when you get stranded in Buffalo NY in the winter.
| 899 |
iossarian Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:45:14am |
re: #896 Atlas Fails
Nope, a few far right publications accused Obama of participating in a gay orgy around 2004 (not 100% on the year). I won't supply a link, but you can find it on your own if you really want to.
Pics or it didn't happen. /
| 900 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:45:20am |
re: #882 engineer dog
more Fun With Dictionaries
"submission means respect"
- michelle bachmann
Islam is the religion of respect?
| 901 |
HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:45:46am |
They'll come up with something. Just give them time.
| 902 |
Daniel Ballard Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:46:26am |
re: #862 McSpiff
I'm not sorry or pained over the loss of artistic freedom represented by Davids fig leaf. Nor am I bothered that our statue of liberty, or countless other public displays feature a gown on the lady or a figleaf on a man.
Seems we have come so far in contempt for all things conservative we forget that those are just points of view unless that person is beyond reproach. Is that how we want the liberal point of view to be treated?
| 904 |
Gus Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:46:39am |
re: #896 Atlas Fails
Nope, a few far right publications accused Obama of participating in a gay orgy around 2004 (not 100% on the year). I won't supply a link, but you can find it on your own if you really want to.
Oh I sort of remember that crap. Yeesh.
| 905 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:47:00am |
re: #888 Atlas Fails
2012? Look at 2008. Birth certificate, sekrit Mooslim, Jeremiah Wright, black nationalist...the GOP really threw the kitchen sink at him. I'm not sure what else they have left, except the always stinging insult "community organizer."
I think GOP strategists--real ones--are going to find themselves in a bit of a bind. Everything they or Hillary seeded in 2008 has been run into the ground and beyond by hyper amateurs, and the rest of the country is sick of it. It's going to take a real professional touch to get a good smear going at this stage. And their opponents will be taking on people who, even if they're old hands on the scene, just haven't been through the same wringer yet. At best, it's a mixed blessing.
I'd like to be a fly on the wall at the meetings.
| 906 |
Winny Spencer Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:47:31am |
re: #896 Atlas Fails
Nope, a few far right publications accused Obama of participating in a gay orgy around 2004 (not 100% on the year). I won't supply a link, but you can find it on your own if you really want to.
And don't forget Larry Sinclair.
| 907 |
Obdicut Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:48:33am |
re: #902 Rightwingconspirator
Seems we have come so far in contempt for all things conservative we forget that those are just points of view unless that person is beyond reproach. Is that how we want the liberal point of view to be treated?
Are you positing 'no nude statues' as an actual conservative viewpoint or value?
| 908 |
iossarian Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:48:58am |
| 909 |
garhighway Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:49:08am |
re: #894 SanFranciscoZionist
I have to say, I love students with true Aspergers. I had a kid get up in class one time and give essentially a lecture on the process of building an igloo. This wasn't an assigned topic, but he knew a lot about igloos, and it tied in with the class topic, so I sort of let him go.
In The Big Short, Michael Lewis profiles an investor who focused his interest on subprime mortgage securities. He may have been the only guy who read the securities filings for those things other than the lawyers who wrote them. He just sat in a darkened room for days on end, read the documents, and figured out that they were bound to fail. As a result, he called the subprime crash a couple of years ahead of time and, once he figured out a vehicle for monetizing that insight, made a boatload.
Partway through the story, he realizes he has Asperger's. That's what gave him the focus to do all that research.
| 910 |
Idle Drifter Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:49:46am |
re: #903 Varek Raith
Image: nude-obama-on-a-unicorn-defeats-wall-street-bear.j pg
I am confused and yet strangely aroused all at the same time.
///
| 911 |
garhighway Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:51:15am |
re: #907 Obdicut
Are you positing 'no nude statues' as an actual conservative viewpoint or value?
Or just contempt for artists?
| 912 |
Varek Raith Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:51:21am |
re: #910 Idle Drifter
I am confused and yet strangely aroused all at the same time.
///
Yeah, there's a lot of those type of Obama/Unicorn pics out there.
Whatever floats your boat!
///
| 913 |
RadicalModerate Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:52:00am |
Its nice of them to finally give up any pretense, I suppose.
Chris Wallace: ‘The Republican primaries will be a production of Fox News’
Amid the upcoming Republican presidential campaigns, the conservative Fox News Channel stands to benefit more than any of its competitors because they "own" most of the candidates, according to one the network's leading anchors.
Chris Wallace phoned in to Fox Business Network's Imus in the Morning Thursday to talk about his recent appearance on Comedy Central's The Daily Show. Wallace had half-jokingly explained to Comedy Central host Jon Stewart how Fox News was planning to profit from the fact that so many GOP contenders work at the network.
"We're thinking of a 13 week series like American Idol or Dancing with the Stars: The GOP Presidential Primary," Wallace said.
The next day, Wallace was actually serious when he made essentially the same pitch to Don Imus.
"As I said on Stewart, because we own all of the people who are running for president, we're going to turn it into a 13-week series, like Dancing with the Stars or something," he said.
"The Republican primaries will be a production of Fox News," Wallace added.
| 914 |
Achilles Tang Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:52:24am |
re: #885 Killgore Trout
I'm the same way. I'll make friendly chat with the neighbors for 10 minutes or so but that's about my limit. I love my solitude and am grateful everyday for it. I'm never lonely and very rarely bored. I just like being alone. A lot of people have a hard time understanding that.
Hi, I'm in and out today, but this comment caught my eye and I have to ask how you see being very chatty here much of the time in that context.
| 915 |
HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:53:14am |
re: #903 Varek Raith
Image: nude-obama-on-a-unicorn-defeats-wall-street-bear.j pg
"Yeah, that's me taking a bull by the horns. It's how I handle business."
| 916 |
Varek Raith Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:54:43am |
re: #914 Naso Tang
Hi, I'm in and out today, but this comment caught my eye and I have to ask how you see being very chatty here much of the time in that context.
I'm the same way.
The internet is different. I can scroll past a comment and the poster won't even know it.
In person or on the phone, I can't do that. Also, the internet is very impersonal. I could just be talking to web bots for all I know.
:)
| 917 |
Atlas Fails Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:55:40am |
re: #905 SanFranciscoZionist
I think GOP strategists--real ones--are going to find themselves in a bit of a bind. Everything they or Hillary seeded in 2008 has been run into the ground and beyond by hyper amateurs, and the rest of the country is sick of it. It's going to take a real professional touch to get a good smear going at this stage. And their opponents will be taking on people who, even if they're old hands on the scene, just haven't been through the same wringer yet. At best, it's a mixed blessing.
I'd like to be a fly on the wall at the meetings.
I agree, it was one thing to suggest that Obama was a shady character with questionable connections, but when they flat out accused him of lying about his BC or being a radical Muslim, mainstream America tuned out. Take my mom (please!) for example. A moderate Republican who voted for McCain in 2008, she's been so turned off the teabaggers and the vicious smears against the President that she's considering leaving the party. She also said she would vote for Obama in a heartbeat over any of the GOP candidates except maybe Romney, although she's not real high on him either.
| 918 |
Obdicut Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:55:41am |
re: #916 Varek Raith
$witty rejoinder not found error redo from start
| 919 |
Varek Raith Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:56:40am |
re: #918 Obdicut
$witty rejoinder not found error redo from start
Freaking Skynet!
SHODAN!
I'M ON TO YOU!
*Wait, why am I yelling at a computer???*
| 921 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:57:35am |
re: #912 Varek Raith
Yeah, there's a lot of those type of Obama/Unicorn pics out there.
Whatever floats your boat!
///
THe terrible thing is, there IS.
I've never seen president fan art before.
| 922 |
reine.de.tout Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:58:44am |
re: #715 Killgore Trout
Gates of Vienna has a linguistic analysis of Breivik's manifesto, implying it was partially written by an American...
The Breivik Portfolio, Part One: The American Connection
Also speculating that the CIA may be involved.... . .
These are the dots, but there is no clear connection among them — several coincidences, some fascinating possibilities, but no hard data. We are left with hypothesis and conjecture.
What an incredibly odd thing to say! "We are left with hypothesis and conjecture".
No. We are left with what is definitely known. There is no need to engage in hypothesis and conjecture unless one is just nuts.
| 923 |
Obdicut Fri, Aug 12, 2011 10:00:34am |
re: #922 reine.de.tout
The first rule of conspiracy theories is that the simple is to be distrusted.
The second is it was the Jews. Or, in the new phraseology these dweebs are giving it, Judeo-Liberal values.
| 924 |
Achilles Tang Fri, Aug 12, 2011 10:01:53am |
re: #916 Varek Raith
I'm the same way.
The internet is different. I can scroll past a comment and the poster won't even know it.
In person or on the phone, I can't do that. Also, the internet is very impersonal. I could just be talking to web bots for all I know.
:)
Certainly it is hard to have the type of discussions here with acquaintances in person, and stay reasonably friendly after disagreements, assuming one finds such acquaintances willing to engage. That is why I am here, but on the other hand I don't find face to face conversation disagreeable. Boring sometimes, but not disagreeable except with disagreeable people.
| 925 |
McSpiff Fri, Aug 12, 2011 10:01:59am |
re: #902 Rightwingconspirator
I'm not sorry or pained over the loss of artistic freedom represented by Davids fig leaf. Nor am I bothered that our statue of liberty, or countless other public displays feature a gown on the lady or a figleaf on a man.
Seems we have come so far in contempt for all things conservative we forget that those are just points of view unless that person is beyond reproach. Is that how we want the liberal point of view to be treated?
Honestly, I'd rather see the statues smashed than defiled like that.
| 926 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Aug 12, 2011 10:03:07am |
re: #922 reine.de.tout
What an incredibly odd thing to say! "We are left with hypothesis and conjecture".
No. We are left with what is definitely known. There is no need to engage in hypothesis and conjecture unless one is just nuts.
Given that he appears to have ripped off Kaczynski's work wholesale, and quoted extensively from American bloggers, I'm not surprised that it appears to have been written partly by an American. Assuming that the analysis isn't total crap, which it probably was.
| 927 |
Daniel Ballard Fri, Aug 12, 2011 10:11:05am |
re: #907 Obdicut
I am showing a modicum of respect for the idea that nude statues are not what we all might want in all public circumstances. Our tolerance should respect those with a less liberal viewpoint. Just as those of us who are a bit more conservative have no business holding liberal views in contempt for no good reason.
| 928 |
Daniel Ballard Fri, Aug 12, 2011 10:15:11am |
re: #925 McSpiff
I refer to the gown on lady liberty and the leaf on David as no loss to art. Surely you do not mean to say the gown on lady liberty is some travesty?
| 929 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Aug 12, 2011 10:28:28am |
re: #927 Rightwingconspirator
I am showing a modicum of respect for the idea that nude statues are not what we all might want in all public circumstances. Our tolerance should respect those with a less liberal viewpoint. Just as those of us who are a bit more conservative have no business holding liberal views in contempt for no good reason.
Nude statues in public forums are not a 'liberal viewpoint'. I'm inclined not to give Ashcroft too hard a time over the drapes, but nude statuary is not a 'liberal idea', it is a mainstay of Western art, going back to the Greeks. If Pericles and George Washington could both give a speech in front of nekkid art, I think we have to acknowledge that Ashcroft was not expressing a conservative viewpoint, but instead asking for special concessions to be made to his own cultural beliefs.
I am OK giving him those, of course, because I am a liberal.
| 930 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Aug 12, 2011 10:29:23am |
re: #928 Rightwingconspirator
I refer to the gown on lady liberty and the leaf on David as no loss to art. Surely you do not mean to say the gown on lady liberty is some travesty?
Lady Liberty was designed as a clothed figure. The David was not.
| 931 |
Daniel Ballard Fri, Aug 12, 2011 10:29:54am |
re: #911 garhighway
Or just contempt for artists?
Knee jerk much?
No I do not hold contempt for artists. Recognizing controversy does not equate to contempt.
| 932 |
Obdicut Fri, Aug 12, 2011 10:32:18am |
re: #927 Rightwingconspirator
I am showing a modicum of respect for the idea that nude statues are not what we all might want in all public circumstances.
I agree. So if they bugged him, he shouldn't have done press conferences in front of them.
Our tolerance should respect those with a less liberal viewpoint.
Depends what you mean by 'respect'. Do I think Ashcroft should have been somehow prevented from covering up the statues? No. Do I think it's ridiculous for him or anyone else to complain about nude statuary, which has been a fixture in Western civilization for thousands of years? Yes. I also find him an idiot for drawing even more attention to it by covering it up rather than just moving the press briefing.
| 933 |
Daniel Ballard Fri, Aug 12, 2011 10:32:53am |
re: #932 Obdicut
Love to continue this (for me) uphill discussion, but work calls.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Aug 12, 2011 10:33:19am |
re: #931 Rightwingconspirator
Knee jerk much?
No I do not hold contempt for artists. Recognizing controversy does not equate to contempt.
The Spirit of Justice was installed in the 1930s, and AFAIK, there wasn't a word of controversy until the Ashcroft drape thing.
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