Yet Another Anti-Gay Gay Republican

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Republican Indiana state Rep. Phillip Hinkle recently voted for an amendment to the state constitution that would ban gay marriage.

And now he’s the latest in a long line of anti-gay Republican politicians who turn out to be gay.

Emails shared with The Indianapolis Star suggest that state Rep. Phillip Hinkle — responding to a local posting on Craigslist — offered a young man $80 plus tip to spend time with him Saturday night at the JW Marriott hotel.

The emails, sent from Hinkle’s publicly listed personal address, ask the young man for “a couple hours of your time tonight” and offer him cash up front, with a tip of up to $50 or $60 “for a really good time.”

The email exchange is in response to the Craigslist posting in which the young man — who lists his age as 20 in the ad but says he is 18 years old — says, “I need a sugga daddy.”

The young man told The Star that they met, but that he tried to leave after the man told him he was a state lawmaker. He said the lawmaker at first told him he could not leave, grabbed him in the rear, exposed himself to the young man and then later gave him an iPad, BlackBerry cellphone and $100 cash to keep quiet.

When contacted by The Star about the emails, Hinkle, a Republican who represents portions of Pike and Wayne townships, did not contest the emails but said, “I am aware of a shakedown taking place.”

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509 comments
1 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:32:43am
2 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:34:26am

Social conservatives are so self-loathing, they need things like closets, threats of hell/annihilation, and punitive laws to punish themselves for their own thoughts and deeds.

Oh yeah, and if gayness is normalized, then the thrill is gone.

3 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:34:30am

I’m not gay. My boyfriend is.

4 BigPapa  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:35:13am

I really feel sorry for them, hating what they are. Accept it, you’ll be much more at peace with yourself.

5 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:36:25am
6 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:37:06am

re: #3 Cannadian Club Akbar

I’m not gay. My boyfriend is.

I’ve known people who actually say that.

“I’m not the gay one, she is.” yet they’ve been together 15 years. Lol absurd.

7 darthstar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:37:52am

There are easier ways to get an iPad…but really, if the guy just wanted a candy-bar why didn’t he ask?

8 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:38:13am

Surprise! Surprise!

[Gomer Pyle voice.]

9 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:39:36am

I have mixed reactions reading these stories. Part of me feels bad that they had to hide who they were because perhaps they really did love their wife and kids or that coming out where they were from would have meant a lot of ostriczation. But another part of me is upset that guys like this get elected badmouthing gay people and voting to limit gay rights. In any case, stories like these remind us why we need to accept people’s sexuality for what it is. I have gay friends and their friendship matters me to as much as that of my straight ones.

10 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:39:44am

re: #1 000G

Heh: Megyn Kelly discovers the benefits of social entitlements (The Daily Show)

Good for her.

11 Iwouldprefernotto  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:40:36am

Gay Republicans, how cliche’.

12 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:40:45am
When contacted by The Star about the emails, Hinkle, a Republican who represents portions of Pike and Wayne townships, did not contest the emails but said, “I am aware of a shakedown taking place.”

Translation: “I’m not gay, this is all a scam!”

13 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:40:46am

re: #7 darthstar

There are easier ways to get an iPad…but really, if the guy just wanted a candy-bar why didn’t he ask?

What would you do for a Klondike bar?
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14 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:41:32am
15 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:41:58am
then later gave him an iPad, BlackBerry cellphone and $100 cash to keep quiet.

FAIL.

16 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:43:34am

re: #15 wrenchwench

FAIL.

What? You mean giving a communication device and then asking someone to shut up isn’t a good idea?
/

17 Atlas Fails  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:44:19am

I’ve always found it funny that not only are homophobic Republicans the only politicians caught in gay sex scandals, but that the reverse seems to be true as well: socially liberal Democrats seem to have some of the most insatiable heterosexual libidos on Earth, from JFK to Clinton to Weiner.

18 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:46:06am

re: #16 Cannadian Club Akbar

What? You mean giving a communication device and then asking someone to shut up isn’t a good idea?
/

“Thanks for the blow job. Now here’s an iPad, Blackberry phone with pre-payed service from AT&T and 100 bucks. Whatever you do, be quiet about this.”

//

19 darthstar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:47:17am

re: #12 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Translation: “I’m not gay, this is all a scam!”

If you shake it down more than three times you’re playing with it, congressman.

By the way, I resent the whole “shakedown” statement…Shakedown Street is a real place that occurs at music festivals and concerts…it is a microcosm of everything that is good about our country - artisan products(tie-dyes, glassware), organically produced goods(foods, herbs, fungus), and unrestricted free market vending.

20 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:48:47am

Okay, taking wagers on his response: I don’t think he’ll resign, he’ll throw in a bit about how he’s been praying and Jesus forgives him, and he’ll blame alcohol abuse. As I said, part of me feels bad but the other part of me who knows what my gay friends have to deal with politically by guys like this has no sympathy.

21 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:48:58am

re: #19 darthstar

So if Shakedown is a real place, is Gunpoint a real place? People are always getting robbed there.

22 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:50:10am

re: #21 Cannadian Club Akbar

So if Shakedown is a real place, is Gunpoint a real place? People are always getting robbed there.

If it’s anything like Knife Point, then yes.

23 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:51:23am

re: #20 HappyWarrior

Okay, taking wagers on his response: I don’t think he’ll resign, he’ll throw in a bit about how he’s been praying and Jesus forgives him, and he’ll blame alcohol abuse. As I said, part of me feels bad but the other part of me who knows what my gay friends have to deal with politically by guys like this has no sympathy.

“I was just looking for a young man to help me with my luggage!”

//

24 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:51:56am

re: #20 HappyWarrior

Okay, taking wagers on his response: I don’t think he’ll resign, he’ll throw in a bit about how he’s been praying and Jesus forgives him, and he’ll blame alcohol abuse. As I said, part of me feels bad but the other part of me who knows what my gay friends have to deal with politically by guys like this has no sympathy.

Probably won’t resign, but might decide not to run for reelection and simply “retire.”

25 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:52:16am

Phillip Hinkle is 64 years old. He has spent a lot of time in the closet. The poor man.

But what a jerk.

“Representative Hinkle is aware of the inquiries by The Indianapolis Star and we are investigating the matter at this time. We request that everyone respect the privacy of the family at this time.”

I’d say the height of “not respecting privacy” is not allowing lovers to marry.

26 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:52:24am

re: #23 Gus 802

“I was just looking for a young man to help me with my luggage!”

//

That was my favorite one, Lou Engel right?

27 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:52:29am

re: #21 Cannadian Club Akbar

Did someone say shakedown?

28 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:53:19am

re: #9 HappyWarrior

I have mixed reactions reading these stories. Part of me feels bad that they had to hide who they were because perhaps they really did love their wife and kids or that coming out where they were from would have meant a lot of ostriczation. But another part of me is upset that guys like this get elected badmouthing gay people and voting to limit gay rights. In any case, stories like these remind us why we need to accept people’s sexuality for what it is. I have gay friends and their friendship matters me to as much as that of my straight ones.

You have to remember that they are representing their constituents with their votes, and not their personal opinions.

In this case he just happens to represent a bunch of hypocritical assholes…
//

29 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:53:28am

re: #24 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Probably won’t resign, but might decide not to run for reelection and simply “retire.”

It may be for the best.
He needs the time to work this out. No doubt he’s felt for a long time that he was a lie. I can’t imagine being brought up to hate oneself.

30 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:53:36am

“Let’s see. These bags are heavy. I better find a young man with big strong muscles to help me with this during my trip. Hmmm. Craigslist. M4M. That would be me. I am a male and I’m looking for some male help here. Male for male. That’s gotta be the place…”

//

31 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:54:11am

re: #26 HappyWarrior

That was my favorite one, Lou Engel right?

George Rekers, professional homo-hater.

See also: NARTH, holding therapy, and this… littlegreenfootballs.com

32 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:54:14am

re: #26 HappyWarrior

That was my favorite one, Lou Engel right?

George Alan Rekers

33 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:54:14am

Sounds like Hinkle was willing to force the issue. That would have been rape.

Gibson said he had posted on Craigslist before but had never met up with someone. Knowing he was in a bedroom with a politician, Gibson said, he got cold feet.

“Yeah, I don’t want to do this,” Gibson said he told Hinkle.

He said Hinkle’s response was: “You need to do this, because I came and got you, and I’m not taking you back until we do what we need to do.”

34 Kragar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:54:41am

He must have lost a fight with a demon

35 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:55:08am

re: #34 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He must have lost a fight with a demon

In a gay bar.

36 allegro  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:55:27am

re: #30 Gus 802

“Let’s see. These bags are heavy. I better find a young man with big strong muscles to help me with this during my trip. Hmmm. Craigslist. M4M. That would be me. I am a male and I’m looking for some male help here. Male for male. That’s gotta be the place…”
//

LOL Reminds me of when I first got on AOL back in the 80s and discovered chat rooms. As a wildlife biologist and pet lover, I went into the “animal lovers” room. Man, was that a mistake.

37 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:55:39am

re: #34 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He must have lost a fight with a demon

Yeah. That demon was rather hard on him.

//

38 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:55:48am

re: #33 wrenchwench

Sounds like Hinkle was willing to force the issue. That would have been rape.

I hope the kid is more careful next time. Hinkle seems a lot more than just repressed sexually.

39 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:56:21am

re: #34 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He must have lost a fight with a demon

Is that what they’re calling it now? :)

40 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:57:31am

re: #32 Gus 802

George Alan Rekers

Thanks to both of you. But yeah that whole story cracked me up. “No, I swear, I just hired the escort to carry my bags.”

41 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:58:26am

Alrighty, I need to post some stuff on Craig’s List to make a little extra money do some stuff. BBIAB.:)

42 BigPapa  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:58:33am

re: #38 HappyWarrior

I hope the kid is more careful next time. Hinkle seems a lot more than just repressed sexually.

Oh yeah, if what Gibson said is true, Hinkle was well on his way to going there. That’s more of a concern than the repressed sexuality intertwined with hypocrisy, even if he didn’t specifically cross over the line of sexual assault.

43 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:58:39am

re: #1 000G

Heh: Megyn Kelly discovers the benefits of social entitlements (The Daily Show)

Having a baby is the least successful racket possible.

44 Ericus58  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:58:47am

re: #25 wrenchwench

Phillip Hinkle is 64 years old. He has spent a lot of time in the closet. The poor man.

But what a jerk.

I’d say the height of “not respecting privacy” is not allowing lovers to marry.

BAM! SOCKO! BIFF!!
You nailed it.

45 zora  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:58:51am

hinkle: rent boy set me up!

46 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:58:54am

re: #36 allegro

LOL Reminds me of when I first got on AOL back in the 80s and discovered chat rooms. As a wildlife biologist and pet lover, I went into the “animal lovers” room. Man, was that a mistake.

Ooo! Look! A furrie chatroom. I love cats.

//

47 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:58:56am

re: #38 HappyWarrior

I hope the kid is more careful next time. Hinkle seems a lot more than just repressed sexually.

The kid is lucky that his sister is looking out for him. I’m guessing they both could use some help.

48 iossarian  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:59:06am

re: #40 HappyWarrior

Thanks to both of you. But yeah that whole story cracked me up. “No, I swear, I just hired the escort to carry my bags.”

“Carry my bags,” fnarr fnarr.

49 BigPapa  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 11:59:31am

re: #40 HappyWarrior

Thanks to both of you. But yeah that whole story cracked me up. “No, I swear, I just hired the escort to carry my tea bags.”

FIFY. This just seems likes one of those threads.

50 lostlakehiker  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:00:34pm

There is no contradiction. It is not the case that any person, just by virtue of being gay, must believe that gay marriage is good for the nation.

In fact, it is not the case that any person, just by virtue of being any {this}, must believe some particular {that}. Hence, the phenomenon of black Republicans, business executive Democrats, male feminists, and on and on and on.

51 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:02:48pm

re: #49 BigPapa

FIFY. This just seems likes one of those threads.

Brings new meaning to the word Teabagger.

//

52 Atlas Fails  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:04:25pm

re: #50 lostlakehiker

There is no contradiction. It is not the case that any person, just by virtue of being gay, must believe that gay marriage is good for the nation.

In fact, it is not the case that any person, just by virtue of being any {this}, must believe some particular {that}. Hence, the phenomenon of black Republicans, business executive Democrats, male feminists, and on and on and on.


It’s less analogous to black Republicans than it is to black segregationists.

53 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:04:29pm

re: #50 lostlakehiker

There is no contradiction. It is not the case that any person, just by virtue of being gay, must believe that gay marriage is good for the nation.

In fact, it is not the case that any person, just by virtue of being any {this}, must believe some particular {that}. Hence, the phenomenon of black Republicans, business executive Democrats, male feminists, and on and on and on.

You don’t see anything hypocritical about not just voting on a bill to limit gay rights but apparently co-sponsoring it as well then looking for gay sex? Come on man. Listen, it would be one thing if he just happened to be gay and Republican but he’s made a name for himself supporting bills that take away freedoms from GLBT Americans. That’s different than being a Black Republican or Business Executive Democrat, I don’t see any Republicans suggesting that blacks should be disenfranchised or Democrats saying that all businesses should be nationalized.

54 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:04:51pm

re: #50 lostlakehiker

There is no contradiction. It is not the case that any person, just by virtue of being gay, must believe that gay marriage is good for the nation.

In fact, it is not the case that any person, just by virtue of being any {this}, must believe some particular {that}. Hence, the phenomenon of black Republicans, business executive Democrats, male feminists, and on and on and on.

So according to you there would be no contradiction to a white politician being against bi-racial marriage and then being caught with a black mistress? Really? No contradiction?

55 BigPapa  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:04:58pm

re: #50 lostlakehiker

Being gay and against gay marriage is not comparative to being black and GOP, business exec Dems, etc.

Being gay is a very simple issue at it’s core. All other complexities of that inherent reality are after that fact. Being conservative is much more complex and comprise of many different key issues, sometimes not necessarily related. The same could be said of being an executive and Dem.

56 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:05:37pm

re: #47 wrenchwench

The kid is lucky that his sister is looking out for him. I’m guessing they both could use some help.

Yep, he’s still young though. Only 18 years old. Plenty of time to get his life in order.

57 Ericus58  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:05:42pm

re: #50 lostlakehiker

There is no contradiction. It is not the case that any person, just by virtue of being gay, must believe that gay marriage is good for the nation.

In fact, it is not the case that any person, just by virtue of being any {this}, must believe some particular {that}. Hence, the phenomenon of black Republicans, business executive Democrats, male feminists, and on and on and on.

The contradiction my friend is that he and many republicans that advocate Privacy from the government…. are totally ass-backwards in regards to the rights of their fellow citizens when it comes to personal life style choices that have ZERO impact on them.

Please don’t play MBF.

58 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:07:02pm

re: #50 lostlakehiker

There is no contradiction. It is not the case that any person, just by virtue of being gay, must believe that gay marriage is good for the nation.

In fact, it is not the case that any person, just by virtue of being any {this}, must believe some particular {that}. Hence, the phenomenon of black Republicans, business executive Democrats, male feminists, and on and on and on.

Bullshit. Why would a person restrict the rights of a group of people that he is secretly a member of, if not fear and hypocrisy?

Male feminists are not damaging the cause of males the way a homophobic Representative is damaging homosexual people. Business executive Democrats are not harming the cause of Democrats. I have to think about the black Republicans. “Conservative” would have been a better parallel.

59 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:07:09pm

That like saying there is no contradiction to someone being against polygamy and being found to have 40 wives across the globe. No contradiction folks! Yep.

60 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:07:10pm

re: #50 lostlakehiker

There is no contradiction. It is not the case that any person, just by virtue of being gay, must believe that gay marriage is good for the nation.

In fact, it is not the case that any person, just by virtue of being any {this}, must believe some particular {that}. Hence, the phenomenon of black Republicans, business executive Democrats, male feminists, and on and on and on.

Baloney. People can believe in whatever they like — this isn’t about individual beliefs. Co-sponsoring Constitutional amendments against entire swaths of people, of which you are one while pretending you’re not, that’s something very different.

As for individual conservative hypocrisy, Hinkle is straight-married and screwing young men on Craigslist. So the comparison to Black Republicans, bus exec Democrats, etc., is a non-starter.

New form of gaydar, and you don’t even have to be gay yourself for it to work: Every time a socon male rails against gays, assume he’s gay. At this rate, it’s very unlikely you will be wrong.

61 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:08:43pm

re: #52 Atlas Fails

It’s less analogous to black Republicans than it is to black segregationists.

Black segregationists who sponsor Constitutional amendments mandating separate water fountains.

62 BigPapa  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:09:07pm

Damn, I whip out a BB gun and everybody else pulls shotguns and hunting rifles. LOL

63 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:09:21pm

re: #60 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Baloney.

I should have said “baloney” instead of “bullshit”. Thanks for leading by example. Could you type faster next time?

64 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:09:47pm

re: #62 BigPapa

Damn, I whip out a BB gun and everybody else pulls shotguns and hunting rifles. LOL

When you’re hunting the most dangerous game, you come prepared.

/

65 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:10:30pm

re: #62 BigPapa

Damn, I whip out a BB gun and everybody else pulls shotguns and hunting rifles. LOL

I brought this.

66 Jack Burton  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:10:37pm

re: #54 Gus 802

So according to you there would be no contradiction to a white politician being against bi-racial marriage and then being caught with a black mistress? Really? No contradiction?

I guess perhaps if the guy said “HEY! I don’t want to marry her, just bang her.”

/

67 iossarian  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:11:56pm

re: #66 ArchangelMichael

I guess perhaps if the guy said “HEY! I don’t want to marry her, just bang her.”

/

You laugh (and so do I) but this is actually a position that many people have held, and some (spit) continue to hold.

68 Atlas Fails  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:12:22pm

Odds this guy isn’t gay? (PDF)

69 Ericus58  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:14:57pm

re: #65 Varek Raith

I brought this.

A “Page Load Error”?!
/

Heh, I knew it was some “starxxxxxxxx” ship ;)

70 Idle Drifter  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:15:24pm

re: #64 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

When you’re hunting the most dangerous game, you come prepared.

/


Brick, where did you get the hand grenade?

I don’t know!

71 3CPO  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:15:32pm

Is this Hinkle guy married? Does he have kids? If so, then those are the people I feel sorry for. Being a hypocrite is bad enough, but bringing that kind of humiliation on your family is flat-out unforgivable.

72 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:15:49pm

re: #69 Ericus58

A “Page Load Error”?!
/

Heh, I knew it was some “starxxx” ship ;)

b5tech.com

73 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:16:37pm

I don’t mean to go OT before 100, but an Appeals Court ruled against Obama health care law. (Well, parts) BBIAB
ca.news.yahoo.com

74 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:17:00pm

re: #71 3CPO

Is this Hinkle guy married? Does he have kids? If so, then those are the people I feel sorry for. Being a hypocrite is bad enough, but bringing that kind of humiliation on your family is flat-out unforgivable.

Is the humiliation from him being what he is, being caught at it, or apparently living a lie while raising children and having a family?

75 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:17:18pm

There is no contradiction to being gay and being against gay marriage. There is however a contradiction to being a closeted sanctimonious Republican politico and being against gay marriage for all the alleged moral reasons known to us. Sorry, Phillip Hinkle lost his right to judge others by this act. He isn’t against gay marriage for fiscal reasons or economic reasons. He’s against gay marriage because he’s another moralizing, proselytizing FAMILY VALUES Republican and now a hypocrite to boot.

76 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:17:44pm

re: #73 Cannadian Club Akbar

I don’t mean to go OT before 100, but an Appeals Court ruled against Obama health care law. (Well, parts) BBIAB
[Link: ca.news.yahoo.com…]

Ruled against the individual mandate, but kept the rest of the law intact. Which, if the Supremes give the nod, means grab the lube, because the rate hikes are gonna be painful.

77 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:18:52pm

The more vociferously anti-gay a public personality works to present themselves as being, the greater the probability that they are the gayest gay that was ever gay.

78 Jack Burton  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:18:59pm

re: #68 Atlas Fails

Odds this guy isn’t gay? (PDF)

Generally if they say more than 1 or 2 points about gay marriage, they seem obsessive and are suspect. This guy has several pages about it way beyond simply being against gay marriage.

There’s that smell…

79 theheat  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:19:05pm
later gave him an iPad, BlackBerry cellphone and $100 cash

I’m on board up to that point. The difficult part is getting Mr. Heat to pay up.

80 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:20:14pm

Governor Mitch Daniels says

“It’s just a personal family tragedy,” Daniels said, adding that he was “sad about it.”
81 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:21:08pm

re: #68 Atlas Fails

Odds this guy isn’t gay? (PDF)

Haha what’s up with the demon? Satan has bigger fish to fry.

82 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:22:06pm

re: #80 wrenchwench

Governor Mitch Daniels says

I see. So yesterday it was “Gays are coming for our children!” according to Bachmann and today it’s “a personal family tragedy.” I get it now.

83 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:22:30pm

re: #75 Gus 802

There is no contradiction to being gay and being against gay marriage.

There are plenty of gay critiques of marriage, gay and straight. Here’s one: againstequality.wordpress.com

84 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:22:57pm

re: #75 Gus 802

There is no contradiction to being gay and being against gay marriage.

That’s true in some theoretical, strictly logical way, but my gut says it isn’t true. Even though I know there are gay people who are against gay marriage.

85 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:23:49pm

During this time of tragedy we ask that you respect Phillip Hinkle and his family’s privacy.

//

86 Atlas Fails  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:24:04pm

re: #81 HappyWarrior

Haha what’s up with the demon? Satan has bigger fish to fry.

You mean he doesn’t spend his time trying to influence the outcome of Oklahoma County Commissioner primaries? The how did teh ghey get into the Boy Scouts? Boom! Logic roasted!

87 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:24:28pm

re: #76 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Financially this will not work. Maternity coverage, for example, will have to cost a LOT for insurance companies not to lose money dramatically.

88 BigPapa  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:25:20pm

re: #75 Gus 802

There is no contradiction to being gay and being against gay marriage.

Literally speaking, yes. But the rationale and reasoning for that conclusion may consist of contradictions.

89 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:25:27pm

re: #81 HappyWarrior

Haha what’s up with the demon? Satan has bigger fish to fry.

Seriously.
If I were Satan, I’d be working to get someone to press the red button of doom and initiate WW3.

Satan sucks at his job.

90 Ericus58  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:26:08pm

re: #72 Varek Raith

[Link: www.b5tech.com…]

Dang… I guess the “Super Death Ray” wasn’t mean enough.
You had to go all “Vorlon Death Ray Cannons” on us too!

I throughly enjoy your tech geekness, Varek.

91 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:26:21pm

re: #89 Varek Raith

Seriously.
If I were Satan, I’d be working to get someone to press the red button of doom and initiate WW3.

Satan sucks at his job.

Donald Trump should fire him. Worst Satan ever. Even worse than the one that got Obama elected.

92 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:26:29pm

re: #85 Gus 802

During this time of tragedy we ask that you respect Phillip Hinkle and his family’s privacy.

//

Yes. Please have more respect for his family than he did.

93 Kragar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:27:11pm

re: #89 Varek Raith

Seriously.
If I were Satan, I’d be working to get someone to press the red button of doom and initiate WW3.

Satan sucks at his job.

You’re all wrong. If you hit the nukes, you get a one time influx, but then your numbers drop off sharply. You got slow and steady and keep up a steady influx over time.

94 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:28:12pm

re: #93 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You’re all wrong. If you hit the nukes, you get a one time influx, but then your numbers drop off sharply. You got slow and steady and keep up a steady influx over time.

Where’s the fun in that?

95 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:28:36pm

re: #88 BigPapa

Literally speaking, yes. But the rationale and reasoning for that conclusion may consist of contradictions.

The ones I’ve seen typically involve spousal benefits. Not from me mind you.

96 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:29:32pm

re: #88 BigPapa

Literally speaking, yes. But the rationale and reasoning for that conclusion may consist of contradictions.

Actually, it may be just making an argument that doesn’t see marriage as an end goal to equality, depending on who’s talking about it. Another group: beyondmarriage.org

97 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:29:37pm

The young man told The Star that they met, but that he tried to leave after the man told him he was a state lawmaker.

apparently there are some kinds of clients that sex workers find unacceptable

98 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:29:49pm

re: #92 EmmmieG

Yes. Please have more respect for his family than he did.

Sure. I agree regarding his family. Too bad that didn’t apply to Anthony Weiner’s family and his wife during that debacle.

99 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:30:34pm

re: #98 Gus 802

Sure. I agree regarding his family. Too bad that didn’t apply to Anthony Weiner’s family and his wife during that debacle.

I saw no reason to drag her into then, either. I think Jon Stewart did a very good job of roasting Weiner and Weiner only.

100 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:30:58pm

re: #89 Varek Raith

Seriously.
If I were Satan, I’d be working to get someone to press the red button of doom and initiate WW3.

Satan sucks at his job.

Or simply create food production efficiencies so that the Indians and Chinese continue to multiply. While as the same time get the Christian West to turn up the cultural rhetoric so that all the new population have no interest in Christianity, will not be saved, and therefore will be instant souls that Satan gets.

Maybe he is doing better than you thought?
(Assuming it’s some sort of zero-sum soul for God or soul for Satan game.)

101 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:31:08pm

re: #87 EmmmieG

Financially this will not work. Maternity coverage, for example, will have to cost a LOT for insurance companies not to lose money dramatically.

True enough. Which is going to make the talks in Congress very interesting, as the voters are not gonna want to part with all the goodies, but will balk at the cost of those goodies.

102 Kragar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:33:28pm

re: #94 Varek Raith

Where’s the fun in that?

Ever been trying to change lanes, but their is that guy just close enough behind you who won’t back off? You end up slowing down to let him pass you, then he changes lanes in front of you.

I’m that guy.

103 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:33:52pm

Any apologists yet calling the rent boy a Soros plant?

104 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:34:12pm

re: #85 Gus 802

During this time of tragedy we ask that you respect Phillip Hinkle and his family’s privacy.

//

But can I still hack his voice mail?

105 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:35:13pm

re: #103 dragonfire1981

Any apologists yet calling the rent boy a Soros plant?

It’s coming since you know Soros has dozens of young men eager to seduce Republican politicians from the the highest senator to the lowliest state representative. He’s bloody brilliant.

106 Ericus58  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:35:18pm

re: #102 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ever been trying to change lanes, but their is that guy just close enough behind you who won’t back off? You end up slowing down to let him pass you, then he changes lanes in front of you.

I’m that guy.

Then you get the Super Vorlon Death Ray Cannons!!

107 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:35:28pm

Perhaps they could allow them to pro-rate things or at least have a 48 hour waiting period before insurance goes into effect.

People have to realize that insurance is just having all of us pay for medical costs averaged out among all of us, not having medical costs “for free.”

I’m pretty sure our medical care costs less than our insurance right now. We have it, like everyone, in case we suddenly are facing $20,000 in costs in one month.

108 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:37:37pm

My scientist cousin-in-law posted this without mentioning which news source it was from. Cute.

theonion.com

109 Kragar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:37:52pm

re: #106 Ericus58

Then you get the Super Vorlon Death Ray Cannons!!

2 lines, 1 kind of long, the other with only one guy, so you get behind him?

He gets to the counter and takes his time, while the longer line zips by you, to the point where would have been served a few minutes before he finally finishes.

I’m that guy.

110 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:38:09pm

Why would you want an iPad, and a Blackberry phone? Woudn’t you want an iPhone to go with your iPad?

111 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:38:33pm

The hypocrisy will be ignored by the anti-gay contingent. If anything it will only bolster their homophobia and it will be used as an example to illustrate “the illness of homosexuality!” Hinkle will likely seek counseling from the nearest “former gay” clergyman/therapist.

112 BigPapa  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:38:43pm

re: #105 HappyWarrior

It’s coming since you know Soros has dozens of young men eager to seduce Republican politicians from the the highest senator to the lowliest state representative. He’s bloody brilliant.

I think Jame O’Keefe is a Double Red Dog Plant from Soros to make Breitbart look bad.

113 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:39:26pm

re: #110 reuven

Why would you want an iPad, and a Blackberry phone? Woudn’t you want an iPhone to go with your iPad?

Do you think that’s what set off the kid’s sister?

114 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:39:48pm

re: #110 reuven

Why would you want an iPad, and a Blackberry phone? Woudn’t you want an iPhone to go with your iPad?

I think I’d rather have my personal integrity to go with the ipad I bought with my own money, but that’s just me.

115 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:40:32pm

re: #112 BigPapa

I think Jame O’Keefe is a Double Red Dog Plant from Soros to make Breitbart look bad.

That’s coming as soon as O’Keefe makes a fuck up that even they can’t justify. “O’Keefe? Why, George Soros hired him, yes.”

116 BigPapa  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:40:33pm

re: #110 reuven

Why would you want an iPad, and a Blackberry phone? Woudn’t you want an iPhone to go with your iPad?

Maybe that’s why the kid is pissed….???

117 Atlas Fails  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:41:19pm

Okay lizards, enjoy the most sickeningly homophobic comic in the history of anything. It was authored by some dude named, I kid you not, Dick Hafer in 1986, probably after viewing many hours of hardcore gay porn. You know, for research.

118 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:41:29pm

re: #108 EmmmieG

My scientist cousin-in-law posted this without mentioning which news source it was from. Cute.

[Link: www.theonion.com…]

Kansas Outlaws Practice Of Evolution

that’s ok. apparently it’s too difficult for many people to practice, anyway…

119 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:42:01pm

re: #111 Gus 802

The hypocrisy will be ignored by the anti-gay contingent. If anything it will only bolster their homophobia and it will be used as an example to illustrate “the illness of homosexuality!” Hinkle will likely seek counseling from the nearest “former gay” clergyman/therapist/next DL hookup.

Clarified fy

120 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:43:04pm

re: #117 Atlas Fails

Okay lizards, enjoy the most sickeningly homophobic comic in the history of anything. It was authored by some dude named, I kid you not, Dick Hafer in 1986, probably after viewing many hours of hardcore gay porn. You know, for research.

Now wait a minute! I’m going to the closed off street at the Folsom Street Fair. I’m going to take lots of pictures of nude men and their erect penises.

It’s for research.

//

121 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:44:17pm

re: #120 Gus 802

Now wait a minute! I’m going to the closed off street at the Folsom Street Fair. I’m going to take lots of pictures of nude men and their erect penises.

It’s for research.

//

Is that you, zombie?

/

122 Atlas Fails  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:45:13pm

re: #117 Atlas Fails

Okay lizards, enjoy the most sickeningly homophobic comic in the history of anything. It was authored by some dude named, I kid you not, Dick Hafer in 1986, probably after viewing many hours of hardcore gay porn. You know, for research.


Kinda NSFW, I should add.

123 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:45:17pm

re: #121 wrenchwench

Is that you, zombie?

/

Yep. ;)

124 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:48:05pm

re: #117 Atlas Fails

Okay lizards, enjoy the most sickeningly homophobic comic in the history of anything. It was authored by some dude named, I kid you not, Dick Hafer in 1986, probably after viewing many hours of hardcore gay porn. You know, for research.

Dick Hafer, another extremely jealous — and dead — cultural conservative bigot.

125 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:48:28pm

re: #117 Atlas Fails

Did you see the endorsement from a CA Rep on the back cover?

ep.tc

126 Kruk  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:48:46pm

re: #97 engineer dog

The young man told The Star that they met, but that he tried to leave after the man told him he was a state lawmaker.

apparently there are some kinds of clients that sex workers find unacceptable

What’s the difference between a between a politician and a hooker?

One will screw you and take your money.

The other is a sex worker.

127 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:49:05pm

OMG! Look at what those men are doing! Can you believe that? Good God how can those men do such things on a public street? What’s that fair called? The Folsom Street Fair? Hmmm…

We NEED to see this.

//

128 Kruk  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:51:23pm

re: #98 Gus 802

Sure. I agree regarding his family. Too bad that didn’t apply to Anthony Weiner’s family and his wife during that debacle.

A thought: What Weiner did was sleazy, but not illegal. Isn’t paying for sex illegal in most of the US?

129 Kragar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:51:29pm

Romney to sign NH ‘no tax’ pledge


Mitt Romney will become the first presidential contender to sign a version of New Hampshire’s political pledge not to impose an income or sales tax.

Along with promising to cut taxes and fees, this pledge vows to secure the nation’s borders, using whatever means necessary. Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, will sign the document at a house party on Friday.

130 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:51:47pm

re: #128 Kruk

A thought: What Weiner did was sleazy, but not illegal. Isn’t paying for sex illegal in most of the US?

Yep.

131 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:52:15pm

re: #129 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Romney to sign NH ‘no tax’ pledge

These pledges are fucking dumb.

132 BigPapa  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:53:49pm

re: #131 HappyWarrior

These pledges are fucking dumb.

How about a Pledge To Never Sign A Fucking Dumb Pledge?

133 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:53:58pm

re: #109 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

2 lines, 1 kind of long, the other with only one guy, so you get behind him?

He gets to the counter and takes his time, while the longer line zips by you, to the point where would have been served a few minutes before he finally finishes.

I’m that guy.

Ah, so you’re that guy in the car at the short line in the turnpike toll booths as well. I bet EasyPass implementation really pissed you off.

134 Kruk  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:54:52pm

re: #110 reuven

Why would you want an iPad, and a Blackberry phone? Woudn’t you want an iPhone to go with your iPad?

Heh. That’s exactly the combo we have in our house. My wife is addicted to her Blackberry (Facebook, text messaging etc.) and I love reading news and playing games on the iPad.

135 Kragar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:56:29pm

re: #133 oaktree

Ah, so you’re that guy in the car at the short line in the turnpike toll booths as well. I bet EasyPass implementation really pissed you off.

No, I simply offset it with the “convenience charge” for when you pay bills online.

“OK, I owe them $52, I push submit payment and…WTF IS THIS $55 BULLSHIT?”

136 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:56:54pm

re: #129 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Romney to sign NH ‘no tax’ pledge

Ironic considering Romney’s attachment to the Olympics. So I suppose Romey would also be against sports district taxes as well? If it wasn’t for those taxes Colorado would have never gotten the Rockies. Most if not all sports stadiums are supported through temporary additions to sales taxes.

137 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:57:10pm

re: #132 BigPapa

How about a Pledge To Never Sign A Fucking Dumb Pledge?

But that would hurt Grover Norquist and the children’s feelings. You don’t hate children do you?

138 BigPapa  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:57:20pm

I hereby Pledge to never sign a Pledge. Signed, Style Over Substance.

139 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:58:21pm

re: #117 Atlas Fails

Okay lizards, enjoy the most sickeningly homophobic comic in the history of anything. It was authored by some dude named, I kid you not, Dick Hafer in 1986, probably after viewing many hours of hardcore gay porn. You know, for research.

I’m at work, so totally not clicking on that.

I recall that zombie, former lizard and current stalker, used to attend the Folsom Street event and then post “photo essays” at its website in order to give the homophobes at Free Republic (and here too, sorry to say) some gay pr0n to outrageously outraged about.

Zombie even attended events that were “too hardcore” for Folsom and posted pictures of those too. With the naughty bits blurred out, but you could get the whole picture by clicking on a disclaimer.

140 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:59:48pm

re: #138 BigPapa

I hereby Pledge to never sign a Pledge. Signed, Style Over Substance.

these pledges are a mickey mouse disgrace….they should be embarrassed to participate in such juvenile behavior

141 Atlas Fails  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 12:59:58pm

re: #137 HappyWarrior

But that would hurt Grover Norquist and the children’s feelings. You don’t hate children do you?


You mean the children who will grow up in a world ravaged by climate changr

Nah. Fuck them. Tax cuts!!!11ty

142 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:00:15pm

re: #135 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No, I simply offset it with the “convenience charge” for when you pay bills online.

“OK, I owe them $52, I push submit payment and…WTF IS THIS $55 BULLSHIT?”

I did wonder what that “Kragar Avoidance Fee” line item was. Probably well worth the cost… ;)

143 Atlas Fails  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:00:28pm

re: #141 Atlas Fails

You mean the children who will grow up in a world ravaged by climate change?

144 Kragar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:01:19pm

Gay Man Challenges Pawlenty On Opposition To Marriage Equality: ‘Do You Think I’m A Second Class Citizen?’

Q: I thought our country was about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for everyone, no exceptions. So Tim Pawlenty, I want to know know — when will you stand up for me…because you are discriminating against me and it hurts, it really does.

PAWLENTY: I understand we have a difference of opinion on this issue…the relationship between a man and a woman in a traditional marriage is important to our country, our society, our culture…

Q: I support that you have your moral values, but that is something that is hurting my future and how I get to live my life…why does government get involved in our marriages? … Do you think I’m a second class citizen?

PAWLENTY: We’re just going to have a respectful disagreement, sir.

145 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:01:20pm

Romney’s always babbling about his efforts in the 2002 Winter Olympics right? Well…

2002 Olympics to Cost US Taxpayers $1.3 Billion

In the GAO report, Olympic Games - Federal Government Supplies Significant Funding and Support. investigators report that, “no government-wide law or policy exists that defines the federal government’s overall role in funding and supporting the Olympic Games when hosted in the United States. Nor is there a single federal agency that has the responsibility to oversee and monitor the federal funding and support provided for the Olympic Games.” However, reports the GAO, federal agencies have in the past and continue to fund various aspects of the Olympic Games in response to requests from state and local governments. According to the GAO, ” Federal assistance has been requested because these entities have not had enough resources to provide for the infrastructure improvements necessary to prepare the host city or to plan and stage all aspects of the Olympic Games when hosted in the United States.”

146 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:02:21pm

re: #144 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Gay Man Challenges Pawlenty On Opposition To Marriage Equality: ‘Do You Think I’m A Second Class Citizen?’

Cop-out. Now on a funny side note, a gay friend of mine attended CPAC in jest and called Pawlenty with a straight face “a strikingly attractive man.”

147 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:03:27pm

re: #145 Gus 802

Romney’s always babbling about his efforts in the 2002 Winter Olympics right? Well…

2002 Olympics to Cost US Taxpayers $1.3 Billion

I believe he used the Olympics thing as a stone to get elected to governor in the first place. You know the only position he’s been elected to and all accomplishments he had there he now runs away from because he wants to look like a “real conservative” for the cool kids.

148 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:03:32pm

re: #17 Atlas Fails

I’ve always found it funny that not only are homophobic Republicans the only politicians caught in gay sex scandals, but that the reverse seems to be true as well: socially liberal Democrats seem to have some of the most insatiable heterosexual libidos on Earth, from JFK to Clinton to Weiner.

You forgot about Governor McGreevy of New Jersey. He also got ousted in part for secret trysts, though unlike most such scandals many of the trysts included both his male lover and his wife. But that does still give him a somewhat less sleezy appearance, since at least he wasn’t lying to his wife.

149 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:04:32pm

From 2002: North Logan ice center opens - Eccles arena will host practices for 4 Olympic teams

The concept of building an ice arena in Cache Valley began shortly after Salt Lake’s successful bid announcement for the 2002 Winter Games in June 1995. The Utah Legislature passed a sales tax increase to fund statewide improvements before the Games.

Remind Romney about this next time he’s boasting about his part in the 2002 games and then signing no-tax pledges.

Romney is a big fat fecking hypocrite.

150 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:05:22pm

re: #145 Gus 802

Romney’s always babbling about his efforts in the 2002 Winter Olympics right? Well…

2002 Olympics to Cost US Taxpayers $1.3 Billion

the Olympics need to be scaled down….there are way too many games/sports/events, which is why they rarely make money….it’s a prestige thing that’s out of control

151 BigPapa  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:06:13pm

Team America: World Police DAP Speech

Still brings me to tears. The sublime caricaturization of today’s political landscape is brilliant.

152 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:07:46pm

re: #147 HappyWarrior

I believe he used the Olympics thing as a stone to get elected to governor in the first place. You know the only position he’s been elected to and all accomplishments he had there he now runs away from because he wants to look like a “real conservative” for the cool kids.

IOW, Romney’s political career was given a huge boost through sales taxes and Federal taxes and their support of the 2002 Winter Olympics. Had there been no funding we’d likely never have heard of Mitt Romney. Taxes made the man.

153 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:07:59pm

See in Mitt’s eyes, the Olympics are okay, but sales tax increases for health care, education, and other things, hold on there partner, that there is socialism! Seriously, Mitt just be honest and stop being a dishonest coward because you want the presidency more than anything in your life and to that you have to placate a bunch of purist blowhards.

154 iossarian  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:11:11pm

re: #150 albusteve

the Olympics need to be scaled down…there are way too many games/sports/events, which is why they rarely make money…it’s a prestige thing that’s out of control

The Olympics are very successful at funneling a large amount of public money into private hands. Where exactly is the problem?

155 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:11:51pm

So he’s against loving couples devoted to each other but he’s for shacking up with prostitutes for the night. Got it.

Family values and all that..

156 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:11:51pm

re: #153 HappyWarrior

See in Mitt’s eyes, the Olympics are okay, but sales tax increases for health care, education, and other things, hold on there partner, that there is socialism! Seriously, Mitt just be honest and stop being a dishonest coward because you want the presidency more than anything in your life and to that you have to placate a bunch of purist blowhards.

Mitt Romney: hypocrite.

Heck, Bachmann’s another one. Even Ron Paul bring the bacon home. They’re all hypocrites. It’s the Republican way when it comes to taxes and spending.

157 Ericus58  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:12:20pm

re: #153 HappyWarrior

See in Mitt’s eyes, the Olympics are okay, but sales tax increases for health care, education, and other things, hold on there partner, that there is socialism! Seriously, Mitt just be honest and stop being a dishonest coward because you want the presidency more than anything in your life and to that you have to placate a bunch of purist blowhards.

As Rachel Maddow said last night on her show: “This is a guy who’s been campaigning since 2002 for the office of the Presidency. He’s got the cloths and look down, but on a human level of interaction he still doesn’t get it.” (or words to that effect)

Hell, he should be called King Flipper.

158 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:12:26pm

re: #144 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Gay Man Challenges Pawlenty On Opposition To Marriage Equality: ‘Do You Think I’m A Second Class Citizen?’

PAWLENTY: We’re just going to have a respectful disagreement, sir.

There’s that misunderstood word again.

159 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:12:40pm

Having read Terence Greens “Barking Dogs” (the short story, not the novel) I just have to wonder a bit how that piece of technology would be reacting to this campaign season.

(Barking Dogs are essentially hand-held near infallible lie detectors. Talk about something that would modify how a society works and interacts.)

160 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:13:02pm

Ahh, those Rent Boys… .

I think many homophobe see homosexuality as a vice that they can wean themselves from (with enough prayer) instead of a natural sexual desire that needs to be confronted and accepted.

If you are also attracted to a woman and decide to marry her, then you really need to understand your vices and keep them in-check. Otherwise, being caught with a Rent Boy is no different than getting a DUI, or a hooker.

I don’t get the twisted logic, but there it is.

161 Ericus58  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:13:37pm

re: #157 Ericus58

yes, I actually switched over the Maddow’s show during the debate last night….

What have I become?!?!
/

162 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:13:44pm

re: #154 iossarian

The Olympics are very successful at funneling a large amount of public money into private hands. Where exactly is the problem?

contrary to the last couple posts, the Olympics are supposed to MAKE money, an investment….the fact that they don’t is immediately ignored campaigning for the next round…it’s hardly any black mark against Romney….it’s an international scam that does exactly what you just posted

163 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:14:01pm

re: #157 Ericus58

As Rachel Maddow said last night on her show: “This is a guy who’s been campaigning since 2002 for the office of the Presidency. He’s got the cloths and look down, but on a human level of interaction he still doesn’t get it.” (or words to that effect)

Hell, he should be called King Flipper.

King flipper is a good one. Another one that comes to mind is bullshit artist.

Mitt Romney: bullshit artist.

:)

164 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:14:19pm

re: #152 Gus 802

IOW, Romney’s political career was given a huge boost through sales taxes and Federal taxes and their support of the 2002 Winter Olympics. Had there been no funding we’d likely never have heard of Mitt Romney. Taxes made the man.

Doesn’t matter. The party is not tolerant of support of tax increases in its nominees. So if he wants the nomination, which he must get this time around or not at all, he needs to do as the base wishes on this matter.

165 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:15:20pm

re: #163 Gus 802

King flipper is a good one. Another one that comes to mind is bullshit artist.

Mitt Romney: bullshit artist.

:)

I think they prefer to be called stand-up philosophers.

166 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:16:44pm

re: #162 albusteve

contrary to the last couple posts, the Olympics are supposed to MAKE money, an investment…the fact that they don’t is immediately ignored campaigning for the next round…it’s hardly any black mark against Romney…it’s an international scam that does exactly what you just posted

Sure it is. Romney was in an organization that used public money, tax money, from both Federal and state sources. Then he signs a no-tax pledge in New Hampshire and says no to the 10 to 1 deal in the debate last night? Seriously? Romney is a bullshit artist extraordinaire with a big black mark permanently hovering over his head. And it’s not only this it’s him also driving the bus over his own Romneycare.

167 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:16:54pm

re: #164 Dark_Falcon

Doesn’t matter. The party is not tolerant of support of tax increases in its nominees. So if he wants the nomination, which he must get this time around or not at all, he needs to do as the base wishes on this matter.

lie to em all, let God sort it out

168 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:17:04pm

re: #164 Dark_Falcon

Doesn’t matter. The party is not tolerant of support of tax increases in its nominees. So if he wants the nomination, which he must get this time around or not at all, he needs to claim he will do as the base wishes on this matter.


Inserted a bit to clarify the minimum requirement.

169 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:17:08pm

re: #144 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Gay Man Challenges Pawlenty On Opposition To Marriage Equality: ‘Do You Think I’m A Second Class Citizen?’

Good start on his part, but he should have hit MUCH harder.

More like: tell why straights are supposed to get special rights over gays.

That’s the heart of social conservatism…socons are superiors; therefore, they get special rights. Everyone else gets limited rights…in fact, our taxes are supposed to go to enforce their special rights.

170 BigPapa  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:17:28pm

Isn’t Rent Boy a play?

171 Atlas Fails  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:18:10pm

re: #139 Alouette

I’m at work, so totally not clicking on that.

I recall that zombie, former lizard and current stalker, used to attend the Folsom Street event and then post “photo essays” at its website in order to give the homophobes at Free Republic (and here too, sorry to say) some gay pr0n to outrageously outraged about.

Zombie even attended events that were “too hardcore” for Folsom and posted pictures of those too. With the naughty bits blurred out, but you could get the whole picture by clicking on a disclaimer.


Some choice quotes:

Not only are their habits disgusting, but they are incredibly harmful and damaging!

Such as?

Kissing!

Ugh!

It says in the paper that New York has a school for fags! What in the world do they teach ‘em?

But what really FROSTS me is that this kind of sick, perverted behavior is being brought around decent families now!

Why two of ‘em (gays) even handle food? Is that safe?

As you might imagine, saliva contains many germs and substances not normally found in the rectum.

You get the idea.

172 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:19:06pm

re: #165 oaktree

I think they prefer to be called stand-up philosophers.

Upding for the Mel Brooks reference.

173 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:19:17pm

re: #164 Dark_Falcon

Doesn’t matter. The party is not tolerant of support of tax increases in its nominees. So if he wants the nomination, which he must get this time around or not at all, he needs to do as the base wishes on this matter.

I matters to me. It also means I will certainly vote for Obama as opposed to this big old lying bag of wind, Mitt Romney.

174 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:19:33pm

re: #166 Gus 802

Sure it is. Romney was in an organization that used public money, tax money, from both Federal and state sources. Then he signs a no-tax pledge in New Hampshire and says no to the 10 to 1 deal in the debate last night? Seriously? Romney is a bullshit artist extraordinaire with a big black mark permanently hovering over his head. And it’s not only this it’s him also driving the bus over his own Romneycare.

my point is, if it wasn’t Romney it’d be the next guy….the Olympics have built in financial problems, but elected officials love to dicker with it….pandering…I’m no Romney fan, but no worse than any of the others…just another target as this thread serves to point out

175 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:19:58pm

re: #173 Gus 802

IT matters to me. It also means I will certainly vote for Obama as opposed to this big old lying bag of wind, Mitt Romney.

Eye, eye, eye.

176 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:20:30pm

re: #164 Dark_Falcon

Doesn’t matter. The party is not tolerant of support of tax increases in its nominees. So if he wants the nomination, which he must get this time around or not at all, he needs to do as the base wishes on this matter.

LOL, so you admit that your party is an irrational mob of ignorant Ayn Rand worshiping fools that Romney must pander to if he wants to be nominated as king of the dipshits.

177 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:20:37pm

What does this mean?

11th circuit court strikes universal mandate for Obamacare.

178 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:21:28pm

re: #139 Alouette

Zombie even attended events that were “too hardcore” for Folsom and posted pictures of those too. With the naughty bits blurred out, but you could get the whole picture by clicking on a disclaimer.

Well hopefully, Zombie had the good sense to charge. All those teeming, socon men at Freeperville…he could have made a mint.

179 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:21:38pm

re: #176 goddamnedfrank

LOL, so you admit that your party is an irrational mob of ignorant Ayn Rand worshiping fools that Romney must pander to if he wants to be nominated as king of the dipshits.

Did you watch the video of him being heckled a couple of days ago? Even the Tea Party types are on to him.

180 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:22:02pm

The big cheese gets a new hat
daylife.com

181 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:22:14pm

re: #171 Atlas Fails

Some choice quotes:

You get the idea.

They used to say the same things about AA’s.

182 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:22:16pm

Mitt Romney I remember reading in a biography of Ted Kennedy tried to position himself as better for GLBT rights then Teddy. And here he is now signing a pledge that not just opposes gay marriage but opposes it here, there, and everywhere. I am sorry but the man is the ultimate bullshit artist. If he thought full out communist beliefs would get him to the presidency, he’d adapt them. And I am sorry but I could care less about the Republican base. Mitt Romney is running to represent the American people not a bunch of people who act like any tax increase is a personal affront to them. He needs to be honest instead of a coward.

183 aagcobb  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:22:51pm

re: #169 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Good start on his part, but he should have hit MUCH harder.

More like: tell why straights are supposed to get special rights over gays.

That’s the heart of social conservatism…socons are superiors; therefore, they get special rights. Everyone else gets limited rights…in fact, our taxes are supposed to go to enforce their special rights.

Another thing he could have said is, “no its not a respectful disagreement when you have no respect for my relationship with the person I love.”

184 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:22:55pm

re: #179 Gus 802

Did you watch the video of him being heckled a couple of days ago? Even the Tea Party types are on to him.

Of course they are, I don’t like them but they know he’s a phony.

185 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:23:01pm

re: #180 Killgore Trout

The big cheese gets a new hat
[Link: www.daylife.com…]

he’s thinking…I’m gonna need a custom bun for this sucker

186 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:23:10pm

re: #179 Gus 802

Did you watch the video of him being heckled a couple of days ago? Even the Tea Party types are on to him.

I have the understanding that the Tea Party types are on to blatant panders at this point to some degree. Since the GOP since Reagan has been paying lipservice to the socon agenda and then proceeding to generally ignore it once in office.

187 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:23:41pm

re: #180 Killgore Trout

The big cheese gets a new hat
[Link: www.daylife.com…]

From the look on his face, I think that might be actual sun-warmed cheese.

188 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:23:47pm

re: #177 ggt

What does this mean?

11th circuit court strikes universal mandate for Obamacare.

Any statement from Mitt Romney? Oh look at this!

Ballot Initiative Would Repeal RomneyCare’s Individual Mandate
August 5, 2011 10:29 A.M.
By Thomas P. Miller

This week, a grassroots organization in Massachusetts announced plans to launch a ballot initiative to repeal the state’s individual mandate to purchase health insurance. Massachusetts Citizens for Life is primarily concerned about how the growing cost of health care in the state will lead to rationing and denial of care. But it sees repeal of the individual mandate as the key ingredient for an eventual dismantling of the state’s landmark 2006 health-care law…

Kwa, kwa.

189 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:23:47pm

re: #177 ggt

What does this mean?

11th circuit court strikes universal mandate for Obamacare.

It means the that 11th Circuit Court of Appeals struck down the part of Obama’s health care package that requires individuals to buy health insurance or pay a tax penalty. They upheld the rest, but struck down the individual mandate as an overextension of Congress’s powers under the Commerce Clause.

190 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:25:18pm

re: #181 ggt

They used to say the same things about AA’s.

They still do.

191 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:25:24pm

RomneyCare has an individual mandate. Bwahahahaha! Guess that counts him out. Next! Bachmann? Perry? Who will the wingnuts and Teabaggers choose?

192 Kragar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:25:33pm

Troops Fire on Syrian Protesters Exiting Mosques

Syria’s security forces opened fire on protesters marching out of mosques in the suburbs of Damascus and in other major cities on Friday, activists said, in a further sign that President Bashar al-Assad remains undeterred by international warnings and sanctions pressing him to stop the violent crackdown.

The protests also showed the refusal of Syrian protesters to bow to the military. In Hama and Deir el-Zour, cities that have been in the security forces’ crosshairs in the past ten days, Syrians protested after the noon prayer, only to face attack. At least 15 people were killed on Friday, activists said.

193 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:25:39pm

re: #189 Dark_Falcon

It means the that 11th Circuit Court of Appeals struck down the part of Obama’s health care package that requires individuals to buy health insurance or pay a tax penalty. They upheld the rest, but struck down the individual mandate as an overextension of Congress’s powers under the Commerce Clause.

that was pretty much a slam dunk

194 aagcobb  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:26:19pm

re: #182 HappyWarrior

Romney should have run as a Democrat, then he could have run on his accomplishments and policy positions, rather than having to run away from them.

195 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:26:26pm

re: #189 Dark_Falcon

It means the that 11th Circuit Court of Appeals struck down the part of Obama’s health care package that requires individuals to buy health insurance or pay a tax penalty. They upheld the rest, but struck down the individual mandate as an overextension of Congress’s powers under the Commerce Clause.

What ramifications does that entail? It would seem to me that it would blow the whole plan budget.

196 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:26:49pm

Today’s award for important photojournalism….
daylife.com

197 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:27:29pm

daylife.com

Did he have another Huge Black Affair?

198 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:27:34pm

re: #185 albusteve

he’s thinking…I’m gonna need a custom bun for this sucker

“wait ‘till the wingnuts count the calories for this one!”

199 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:28:18pm

re: #195 ggt

What ramifications does that entail? It would seem to me that it would blow the whole plan budget.

it might…when it passed exactly nobody could predict how it will work or what it cost….they said they did, of course….worst legislation in history

200 BigPapa  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:28:22pm

re: #196 Killgore Trout

OMG that’s so IDFC. Like a black hole of caring.

201 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:28:31pm

re: #191 Gus 802

RomneyCare has an individual mandate. Bwahahahaha! Guess that counts him out. Next! Bachmann? Perry? Who will the wingnuts and Teabaggers choose?

Depends on which of them can convince the fatcats to give them the most money.

202 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:29:14pm

re: #182 HappyWarrior

Mitt Romney I remember reading in a biography of Ted Kennedy tried to position himself as better for GLBT rights then Teddy. And here he is now signing a pledge that not just opposes gay marriage but opposes it here, there, and everywhere. I am sorry but the man is the ultimate bullshit artist. If he thought full out communist beliefs would get him to the presidency, he’d adapt them. And I am sorry but I could care less about the Republican base. Mitt Romney is running to represent the American people not a bunch of people who act like any tax increase is a personal affront to them. He needs to be honest instead of a coward.

People who still identify as Republican have no backbone and no integrity whatsoever. It’s a party of hollow barrow wights, shades and ghouls, soulless remnants of deeply damaged humanity.

re: #195 ggt

What ramifications does that entail? It would seem to me that it would blow the whole plan budget.

It was struck down 2:1. It was upheld 2:1 in Ohio. It’ll go to the Supremes and be supported or struck down in a 5:4 vote depending on which version of Anthony Kennedy decides to show up for work that day.

203 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:29:18pm

re: #198 Killgore Trout

“wait ‘till the wingnuts count the calories for this one!”

Suicidal BO Eats Himself To Death!
stay tuned

204 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:29:48pm

re: #196 Killgore Trout

Today’s award for important photojournalism…
[Link: www.daylife.com…]

Whoa. That’ll be cherished by the foot/toe/Palin fetishists across this great land.

205 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:29:50pm

re: #196 Killgore Trout

Today’s award for important photojournalism…
[Link: www.daylife.com…]

She is really, really good at marketing herself. This is what appeals to voters—like it or not.

They want a rock star or some such entity. Boor them with facts, economics and policy making and there eyes glaze over and they look for someone more exciting to vote for.

LBJ started it —using helicopters to transport him from town to little Texas town in his bid for the Senate.

206 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:30:31pm

re: #195 ggt

What ramifications does that entail? It would seem to me that it would blow the whole plan budget.

It might. The court did not concern itself with the budget aspect, only with whether the various parts of the law could be squared with the Constitution. If this decision is upheld by the Supreme Court (and I hope it), then Congress would need to modify the scheme to take the ruling into account if they wanted to keep the insurance examples.

207 aagcobb  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:30:32pm

re: #199 albusteve

it might…when it passed exactly nobody could predict how it will work or what it cost…they said they did, of course…worst legislation in history

Considering most of it hasn’t even gone into effect yet, that judgment is a tad premature.

208 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:30:37pm

re: #197 wrenchwench

[Link: www.daylife.com…]

Did he have another Huge Black Affair?

Those are som big strong men…

209 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:31:12pm

re: #196 Killgore Trout

Today’s award for important photojournalism…
[Link: www.daylife.com…]

Oh lord. Why did I click on that?

210 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:31:32pm

re: #202 goddamnedfrank

You can have a downding for insulting me.

211 BigPapa  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:32:48pm

re: #208 ggt

Those are som big strong men…

I wonder how many ‘brothers in da hizouz/ downin 40’s’ jokes just spiked in winger forums?

212 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:32:53pm

Honest, I think Romney’s toast once a credible challenger emerges. The fact that Obama’s health care legislation is similar to his will not be lost on his opponents nor will his past moderate social positions. Now, I suspect once his presidential aspirations are finished, Mitt will probably return to being the more moderate Mitt that was a senate candidate and governor since he knows he doesn’t have to appease a political base. I almost feel kinda bad for having to be a complete phony to achieve his dream.

213 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:33:18pm

re: #206 Dark_Falcon

It might. The court did not concern itself with the budget aspect, only with whether the various parts of the law could be squared with the Constitution. If this decision is upheld by the Supreme Court (and I hope it), then Congress would need to modify the scheme to take the ruling into account if they wanted to keep the insurance examples.

I know the court was only concerned (rightly so) with Constitutional Issues. I don’t think it is feasable without broad financial support. I don’t know how they’d get the funds without mandating coverage —unless they initiate another TAX—which is of course what they were probably trying to avoid —mandated coverage or tax penalty IMHO is a euphemism for TAX.

214 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:33:22pm

re: #202 goddamnedfrank

I don’t think there is much of a market for “Invertebrates for Romney” stickers.

215 laZardo  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:33:52pm

So I’m thinking of all the ways I’m going to fuck up my job interview on Monday and how yall doin.

216 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:34:07pm

re: #209 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

That’s even more gross than analroberts.com !

217 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:34:28pm

re: #213 ggt

I know the court was only concerned (rightly so) with Constitutional Issues. I don’t think it is feasable without broad financial support. I don’t know how they’d get the funds without mandating coverage —unless they initiate another TAX—which is of course what they were probably trying to avoid —mandated coverage or tax penalty IMHO is a euphemism for TAX.

I agree. I think if the individual mandate is struck down, the insurance exchanges will most likely be scrapped.

218 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:35:00pm

re: #177 ggt

It means that several billion dollars of revenues are now in question and if you can’t force folks to buy into insurance plans as per the mandate, then it will mean higher costs for those in those plans because there will be fewer people around which to spread the costs for insuring.

It’s a hit to two sides of the health care financing equation.

If this stands, it means higher costs all the way around, higher deficits, and/or requires a reworking of these provisions.

219 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:35:16pm

re: #211 BigPapa

I wonder how many ‘brothers in da hizouz/ downin 40’s’ jokes just spiked in winger forums?

I really didn’t get that reaction …

Usually if I see a group of large strong men, I get a little defensive, more so if they are of a different race than I am—gut reaction.

Seeing them all lined-up in suites, looking so (ahem) proper —I didn’t think along defensive lines at all.

220 Kragar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:35:21pm

re: #215 laZardo

So I’m thinking of all the ways I’m going to fuck up my job interview on Monday and how yall doin.

Just picture the interviewer as naked…

with ridiculously huge erection

221 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:35:50pm

re: #212 HappyWarrior

Honest, I think Romney’s toast once a credible challenger emerges. The fact that Obama’s health care legislation is similar to his will not be lost on his opponents nor will his past moderate social positions. Now, I suspect once his presidential aspirations are finished, Mitt will probably return to being the more moderate Mitt that was a senate candidate and governor since he knows he doesn’t have to appease a political base. I almost feel kinda bad for having to be a complete phony to achieve his dream.

WHAT credible challenger will emerge?

realistically —none.

222 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:36:33pm

re: #205 ggt

She is really, really good at marketing herself. This is what appeals to voters—like it or not.

They want a rock star or some such entity. Boor them with facts, economics and policy making and there eyes glaze over and they look for someone more exciting to vote for.

LBJ started it —using helicopters to transport him from town to little Texas town in his bid for the Senate.

I’d say William Jennings Bryan and the Chautauqua Movement started it, 100 years ago. I’m working on a post about him, Palin, and the Tavis/Cornel bus.

223 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:36:41pm

re: #212 HappyWarrior

Honest, I think Romney’s toast once a credible challenger emerges.

By that time we’ll ALL be toast.

224 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:36:56pm

re: #221 ggt

WHAT credible challenger will emerge?

realistically —none.

Perry is a credible challenger. He’s smart and ruthless.

225 darthstar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:37:18pm

re: #196 Killgore Trout

Today’s award for important photojournalism…
[Link: www.daylife.com…]

Todd sees something he likes.

226 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:37:58pm

schools here in the US better start pumping out doctors and nurses triple time…if you think the system is stress now, just wait til another 30m people are dumped into the market

227 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:38:40pm

re: #221 ggt

WHAT credible challenger will emerge?

realistically —none.

I think Perry is. I think we’re forgetting that for all his bravado Mitt still lost the 2008 primary to McCain. Yes, I know Huckabee played a role in that but it still stands that Mitt has a problem. And hell if I were Perry I’d play the card of being a proven winner over Mitt who has won one elected his whole life. And when I say credible, I mean credible from a conservative perspective. If you’re a socon, who you gonna choose, Mitt or Perry?

228 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:39:57pm

Now this all said I’d rather have Romney as president over Perry since there’s a chance that Romney would moderate in office but Perry not a chance.

229 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:40:01pm

re: #222 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I’d say William Jennings Bryan and the Chautauqua Movement started it, 100 years ago. I’m working on a post about him, Palin, and the Tavis/Cornel bus.

They do both spring from the populist strain in American politics.

230 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:40:19pm

re: #227 HappyWarrior

I think Perry is.

Can a guy who toyed with secession be credible as a presidential candidate?

231 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:40:40pm

I’m throwing in with those who list Perry as Mitt’s credible challenger.

For one, Mitt has to go out of his way to sign all these stupid pledges to cover up for Romneycare and same sex marriage in MA.

Perry doesn’t have that problem.

232 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:40:51pm

re: #227 HappyWarrior

I think Perry is. I think we’re forgetting that for all his bravado Mitt still lost the 2008 primary to McCain. Yes, I know Huckabee played a role in that but it still stands that Mitt has a problem. And hell if I were Perry I’d play the card of being a proven winner over Mitt who has won one elected his whole life. And when I say credible, I mean credible from a conservative perspective. If you’re a socon, who you gonna choose, Mitt or Perry?

I think there are a lot of people who are tired of Republicans from Texas. I know he is ruthless and smart, but I’m not sure that will be enough. He’ll have to prove himself to those of us who don’t want a Theocracy.

233 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:41:08pm

re: #221 ggt

WHAT credible challenger will emerge?

realistically —none.

THe Perry. He is everything the party wants: appeals to the Christians, the tea pariters, can say that he is for jobs, jobs and jobs while soft-pedalling his own Christian fundamentalism and his deisregard for environmental and work safety regulations.

He can walk away with the nomination, all he has to do is reach out and take it. And once he has established himself as the party’s front runner and closen obama Slayer, nobody in the GOP will dare raise a voice against him.

234 jamesfirecat  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:41:33pm

re: #199 albusteve

it might…when it passed exactly nobody could predict how it will work or what it cost…they said they did, of course…worst legislation in history

Sorry Steve I’m gonna have to say that there have been far worst pieces of legislation passed…. say the “Oriental Exclusion Law” designed to block Japanese immigrants from getting citizenship to pull one out of a hat at random.

235 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:42:03pm

re: #230 wrenchwench

Can a guy who toyed with secession be credible as a presidential candidate?

To me, hell no, but to Republican primary voters, who knows. Michelle Bachmann is running neck and neck with Mitt in Iowa and she has gotten zero legislation passed. So anything’s possible I guess.

236 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:42:11pm

re: #233 ralphieboy

THe Perry. He is everything the party wants: appeals to the Christians, the tea pariters, can say that he is for jobs, jobs and jobs while soft-pedalling his own Christian fundamentalism and his deisregard for environmental and work safety regulations.

He can walk away with the nomination, all he has to do is reach out and take it. And once he has established himself as the party’s front runner and closen obama Slayer, nobody in the GOP will dare raise a voice against him.

I agree he can get the nomination, but the election itself?

I’m not betting on it.

237 iossarian  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:42:50pm

re: #162 albusteve

contrary to the last couple posts, the Olympics are supposed to MAKE money, an investment…the fact that they don’t is immediately ignored campaigning for the next round…it’s hardly any black mark against Romney…it’s an international scam that does exactly what you just posted

To be fair, I don’t think most people think the Olympics make money. Some people choose to believe that they result in an overall economic boost for the area, and I’m sure you could find two economists to give you three different opinions on that.

I think most popular support for the Olympics is an expression of the “look at me, I’m fuckin’ cool” drive that humans around the world share.

238 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:43:07pm

re: #234 jamesfirecat

Sorry Steve I’m gonna have to say that there have been far worst pieces of legislation passed… say the “Oriental Exclusion Law” designed to block Japanese immigrants from getting citizenship to pull one out of a hat at random.

I think that one was read before it was passed …

239 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:43:08pm

re: #233 ralphieboy

THe Perry. He is everything the party wants: appeals to the Christians, the tea pariters, can say that he is for jobs, jobs and jobs while soft-pedalling his own Christian fundamentalism and his deisregard for environmental and work safety regulations.

He can walk away with the nomination, all he has to do is reach out and take it. And once he has established himself as the party’s front runner and closen obama Slayer, nobody in the GOP will dare raise a voice against him.

And the campaign ad showing Perry calling for Texas to secede from the rest of the United States will write itself.

240 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:43:11pm

re: #236 ggt

I agree he can get the nomination, but the election itself?

I’m not betting on it.


That is another question entirely, but in general, the worse the economy is doing, the less secure and more scared people feel, the better the chance he stands.

241 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:43:20pm

re: #236 ggt

I agree he can get the nomination, but the election itself?

I’m not betting on it.

Oh I just meant for Romney in the primaries. I don’t think Perry can win a national election, no.

242 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:43:35pm

re: #234 jamesfirecat

Sorry Steve I’m gonna have to say that there have been far worst pieces of legislation passed… say the “Oriental Exclusion Law” designed to block Japanese immigrants from getting citizenship to pull one out of a hat at random.

don’t appreciate my hyperbole?…okay
second worst legislation in history

243 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:44:44pm

re: #232 ggt

I think there are a lot of people who are tired of Republicans from Texas. I know he is ruthless and smart, but I’m not sure that will be enough. He’ll have to prove himself to those of us who don’t want a Theocracy.

He may find ways to do that. Most likely, he’ll hammer on economic issues during the general election campaign, and avoid social issues. Right now, his record for job creation (the jobs are mostly lower wage, I know) and energy production will read as net positives to much of the public.

244 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:44:47pm

re: #222 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I’d say William Jennings Bryan and the Chautauqua Movement started it, 100 years ago. I’m working on a post about him, Palin, and the Tavis/Cornel bus.

I’d love to read it when you (I was going to type “get it up”) but I think you know what I mean.

245 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:45:44pm

re: #239 oaktree

And the campaign ad showing Perry calling for Texas to secede from the rest of the United States will write itself.

It will be drowned out in a flood of hypocritical, chauvanistic, fundamentalist BS.

246 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:45:56pm

I think the original question who could be a credible challenger to Obama?

Perry? Yeah he may be the nomination, but is he a credible challenger.

Who is possibly going to appear out-of-thin air to challenge Obama?

247 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:46:10pm

re: #209 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Oh lord. Why did I click on that?

Just be thankful you didn’t click on this…
daylife.com
/lulz

248 jamesfirecat  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:46:15pm

re: #242 albusteve

don’t appreciate my hyperbole?…okay
second worst legislation in history

It’s at least the third worst, what about the Racial Integrity Act which made it illegal for white and “non white” people to marry?

249 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:47:04pm

re: #247 Killgore Trout

Just be thankful you didn’t click on this…
daylife.com ann
/lulz

Damn it. I hate it when formatting ruins a perfectly good joke.
daylife.com

250 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:48:13pm

re: #249 Killgore Trout

Damn it. I hate it when formatting ruins a perfectly good joke.
[Link: www.daylife.com…]

I like the sandals.

251 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:48:35pm

re: #248 jamesfirecat

It’s at least the third worst, what about the Racial Integrity Act which made it illegal for white and “non white” people to marry?

you are missing my point that I don’t care

252 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:48:42pm

re: #230 wrenchwench

Can a guy who toyed with secession be credible as a presidential candidate?

He already is.

253 Kragar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:49:09pm

re: #248 jamesfirecat

It’s at least the third worst, what about the Racial Integrity Act which made it illegal for white and “non white” people to marry?

Dawes Act

254 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:49:48pm

re: #247 Killgore Trout

Just be thankful you didn’t click on this…
daylife.com ann
/lulz

Mr. President, those are the latest poll numbers!

/

255 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:50:09pm

aw geez —what was so horrible about the ObamaCare legislation is that NO ONE READ IT IN CONGRESS BEFORE THE VOTED IT THRU.

Does anyone have a clue what it really means? What are the ramifications?

256 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:50:44pm

re: #244 ggt

I’d love to read it when you (I was going to type “get it up”) but I think you know what I mean.

It’ll be some time tomorrow. I may crosspost to The People’s View like I did the last one, depending on how it turns out.

257 jamesfirecat  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:51:00pm

re: #251 albusteve

you are missing my point that I don’t care

Sorry, I though someone who dislikes the feds as much as you do would be interested in learning the rich cornucopia of legislation ranging from evil, to stupid to stupidly evil that has passed over the coursed of American history.

258 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:52:47pm

re: #253 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Dawes Act

^Had to be one of the worst ever, ever. The Cherokee Nation, Seminole Nation and Creek Nation are still having major fallout from it, ugh.

259 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:53:30pm

re: #257 jamesfirecat

Sorry, I though someone who dislikes the feds as much as you do would be interested in learning the rich cornucopia of legislation ranging from evil, to stupid to stupidly evil that has passed over the coursed of American history.

so you missed the point twice…now you overestimate me
not doing so good there

260 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:53:38pm

re: #258 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

^Had to be one of the worst ever, ever. The Cherokee Nation, Seminole Nation and Creek Nation are still having major fallout from it, ugh.

There are those who are still arguing about the 14th amendment. …

261 Lidane  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:55:26pm

re: #243 Dark_Falcon

Right now, his record for job creation (the jobs are mostly lower wage, I know) and energy production will read as net positives to much of the public.

And his record for massive deficits that he’s run up in office DESPITE a so-called “balanced budget amendment” on the books will show his financial incompetence. He’s got a GOP super-majority and they still have nothing positive to show for their supposed fiscal responsibility.

262 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:55:34pm

Thomas Jefferson’s nice little agrarian Republic certainly has changed —

I’m amazed at how many people don’t seem to understand that.

263 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:56:16pm

re: #257 jamesfirecat

Sorry, I though someone who dislikes the feds as much as you do would be interested in learning the rich cornucopia of legislation ranging from evil, to stupid to stupidly evil that has passed over the coursed of American history.

Same argument goes to the supposed “limited government” types, whose forebears were utterly silent when “government” imposed invasive bullcrap like the Smith Act. All you’ll hear is excuses.

264 Atlas Fails  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:56:25pm

My money’s on Parry. With an “A” for America.

265 laZardo  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:56:45pm

Gonna go for a walk up Capitol Hill to clear my head.

/I MEAN THE ONE IN SEATTLE. :B

//but yeah bbl

266 Kragar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:57:26pm

re: #262 ggt

Thomas Jefferson’s nice little agrarian Republic certainly has changed —

I’m amazed at how many people don’t seem to understand that.

At least the Bible is still the immutable word of God, unchanged from the time God gave it to Baby Jesus on his birthday. It will never change.

267 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:57:47pm

re: #261 Lidane

And his record for massive deficits that he’s run up in office DESPITE a so-called “balanced budget amendment” on the books will show his financial incompetence. He’s got a GOP super-majority and they still have nothing positive to show for their supposed fiscal responsibility.

But, he prays to the right g-d… .

268 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:57:58pm

re: #261 Lidane

And his record for massive deficits that he’s run up in office DESPITE a so-called “balanced budget amendment” on the books will show his financial incompetence. He’s got a GOP super-majority and they still have nothing positive to show for their supposed fiscal responsibility.

Yeah but the gays can’t marry.

So there’s that.

269 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:58:16pm

re: #255 ggt

aw geez —what was so horrible about the ObamaCare legislation is that NO ONE READ IT IN CONGRESS BEFORE THE VOTED IT THRU.

Does anyone have a clue what it really means? What are the ramifications?

We were told we could read through it (HCR) after it was passed.
The same people who said the above statement said they couldn’t vote on Cap,Cut, and Balance (whatever it was called) until they read it. I posted a couple comments on threads pointing this out.

270 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:59:10pm

re: #269 Cannadian Club Akbar

We were told we could read through it (HCR) after it was passed.
The same people who said the above statement said they couldn’t vote on Cap,Cut, and Balance (whatever it was called) until they read it. I posted a couple comments on threads pointing this out.

huh?

Reading thru it after it passes. Does that make sense to you?

271 Lidane  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 1:59:32pm

Also, Rick Perry *knowingly* executed an innocent man. Fuck him.

272 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:00:09pm

re: #270 ggt

huh?

Reading thru it after it passes. Does that make sense to you?

Not to me, but I’m not a DC insider toadie.

273 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:00:22pm

re: #270 ggt

huh?

Reading thru it after it passes. Does that make sense to you?

made sense to Pelosi and Reid

274 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:01:13pm

re: #273 albusteve

made sense to Pelosi and Reid

I think it was a matter of get something on the books and fight about it later. All that matters is we get credit for it.

275 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:01:14pm

re: #261 Lidane

And his record for massive deficits that he’s run up in office DESPITE a so-called “balanced budget amendment” on the books will show his financial incompetence. He’s got a GOP super-majority and they still have nothing positive to show for their supposed fiscal responsibility.


Please remember, it is not what Rick Perry is, it is what he can plausibly sell himself to be , which is job creator, moral and fiscal conservative. i.e., everything the Party has been longing to see in a nominee.

276 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:01:44pm

re: #273 albusteve

made sense to Pelosi and Reid

Also, one bill was 2000 plus pages. The other was 70 plus.

277 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:01:58pm

Well there’s also the people who wanted to ban the Communist Party. I am no Communist but that was a gross overreaction. And you don’t go around condemning Communism for a lack of freedom when you tell people at home that they can’t be communists. And yes I feel the same thing about fascist groups. They suck but freedom of assembly and all that. It doesn’t say freedom of assembly for groups we like.

278 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:02:10pm

re: #275 ralphieboy

Please remember, it is not what Rick Perry is, it is what he can plausibly sell himself to be , which is job creator, moral and fiscal conservative. i.e., everything the Party has been longing to see in a nominee.

a man who prays to the right g-d.

Seems to be the only thing that matters to the core GOP right now.

279 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:02:50pm

re: #274 ggt

I think it was a matter of get something on the books and fight about it later. All that matters is we get credit for it.

same as the debt ceiling phony ‘crisis’….you’re catching on nicely….
kick it down the road, I’m busy with re-election, don’t bother me

280 darthstar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:03:00pm

Okay…just read the Hinkle article…

Megan Gibson said that on the drive back, she began receiving a series of calls on the BlackBerry, including one from a woman who said she was Hinkle’s wife.

“I was like, ‘Your husband is gay,’ ” Megan said. “And then she was like, ‘You have the wrong person.’ “

Megan read her the email address: phinkle46 @comcast.net.

The line went silent.

“Just for a couple seconds,” Megan Gibson said, “and the first thing she said was, ‘Please don’t call the police.’ “

So this has happened before…

281 Lidane  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:03:54pm

re: #278 ggt

a man who prays to the right g-d.

Seems to be the only thing that matters to the core GOP right now.

He prays to the right God, wants to secede, hates taxes, and is a retrograde reactionary. Of course the base loves him.

If he loses to Obama, however, he’ll be just another RINO to the wingnuts.

282 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:04:17pm

re: #276 Cannadian Club Akbar

Also, one bill was 2000 plus pages. The other was 70 plus.

with 2 hours to read it in the middle of the night before a vote…what a scam…the Mob gives you more options than that

283 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:04:36pm

Break time… Thought I’d jump in for a bit.
Has the 1th circuit court decision been worthy of discussion today?

284 Atlas Fails  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:04:51pm

re: #262 ggt

Thomas Jefferson’s nice little agrarian Republic certainly has changed —

I’m amazed at how many people don’t seem to understand that.


I forget exactly where I read it, some early 20th book of political philosophy. Modern liberals want to use Hamiltonian means to achieve Jeffersonian ends, while modern conservatives (read: teabaggers; sane ones like DF and steve are exempt) want to use Jeffersonian means to achieve Hamiltonian ends.

285 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:04:54pm

re: #282 albusteve

with 2 hours to read it in the middle of the night before a vote…what a scam…the Mob gives you more options than that

I think the vote was on Christmas Eve.

286 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:05:19pm

re: #281 Lidane

He prays to the right God, wants to secede, hates taxes, and is a retrograde reactionary. Of course the base loves him.

If he loses to Obama, however, he’ll be just another RINO to the wingnuts.

If he loses it will because he wasn’t conservative enough. It’s the wingnut excuse everytime they lose. Oh we didn’t lose because we came across as nutcases, we lost because we weren’t conservative enough guys! It’s adorable.

287 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:05:20pm

re: #283 Rightwingconspirator

Break time… Thought I’d jump in for a bit.
Has the 1th circuit court decision been worthy of discussion today?

No, but we’ve been discussing the 11th ciruit courts decision and the rank of Obamacare in the list of worse legislation ever.

288 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:05:20pm

re: #270 ggt

huh?

Reading thru it after it passes. Does that make sense to you?

Both parties have made and broke promises to post bills online 30 days before a vote. It doesn’t work out because when wrangling for votes things need to be added or taken out to sway people at the last second. Once they get the promised votes they need to vote right away before somebody changes their mind. For better or for worse, it’s just the way things get done.

289 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:05:37pm

re: #285 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think the vote was on Christmas Eve.

yeah, it was bad, real bad

290 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:06:55pm

re: #286 HappyWarrior

If he loses it will because he wasn’t conservative enough. It’s the wingnut excuse everytime they lose. Oh we didn’t lose because we came across as nutcases, we lost because we weren’t conservative enough guys! It’s adorable.

Kittens are adorable. That is annoyingly dense.

291 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:06:55pm

re: #284 Atlas Fails

I forget exactly where I read it, some early 20th book of political philosophy. Modern liberals want to use Hamiltonian means to achieve Jeffersonian ends, while modern conservatives (read: teabaggers; sane ones like DF and steve are exempt) want to use Jeffersonian means to achieve Hamiltonian ends.

Hamilton was an abolitionist (I think he was actively so).

Jefferson said he abhorred slavery, but …

for all his good work, I have big issues with Jefferson over slavery.

292 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:07:34pm

re: #284 Atlas Fails

I forget exactly where I read it, some early 20th book of political philosophy. Modern liberals want to use Hamiltonian means to achieve Jeffersonian ends, while modern conservatives (read: teabaggers; sane ones like DF and steve are exempt) want to use Jeffersonian means to achieve Hamiltonian ends.

It’s an interesting way of looking at it and I agree. I think this is why one of my liberal friends granted he’s a New Yorker but said flat out to me I like Hamilton more than I do Jefferson. Now as a Virginian I love Jefferson, I mean it’s pretty much state law that you have to love TJ here but I understood where he was coming from. Now my favorite founder reminds Benjamin Franklin because that guy was just awesome. I’d hit up the tavern night after night with Ben as wingman.

293 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:08:44pm

re: #288 Killgore Trout

Both parties have made and broke promises to post bills online 30 days before a vote. It doesn’t work out because when wrangling for votes things need to be added or taken out to sway people at the last second. Once they get the promised votes they need to vote right away before somebody changes their mind. For better or for worse, it’s just the way things get done.

This one was just a big, bad, hyper-exploded example of how things get done in D.C.

294 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:08:53pm

re: #281 Lidane

He prays to the right God, wants to secede, hates taxes, and is a retrograde reactionary. Of course the base loves him.

If he loses to Obama, however, he’ll be just another RINO to the wingnuts.

Unless somebody normal runs, Perry looks to me like their best bet to try and unseat the incumbent. That, and convincing the leftybagger contingent to stay home. Some of them are gullible enough to fall for it, too.

295 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:08:53pm

re: #292 HappyWarrior

It’s an interesting way of looking at it and I agree. I think this is why one of my liberal friends granted he’s a New Yorker but said flat out to me I like Hamilton more than I do Jefferson. Now as a Virginian I love Jefferson, I mean it’s pretty much state law that you have to love TJ here but I understood where he was coming from. Now my favorite founder reminds Benjamin Franklin because that guy was just awesome. I’d hit up the tavern night after night with Ben as wingman.

John Adams appears to have been the cranky one. But I wonder if he loosened up a bit after having his daily glass of hard cider.

296 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:09:28pm

re: #287 ggt

No, but we’ve been discussing the 11th ciruit courts decision and the rank of Obamacare in the list of worse legislation ever.

Politics drove the bill way into “no go” territory IMO. Sometimes doing the right thing the wrong way just kills the deal.

297 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:10:14pm

re: #284 Atlas Fails

I forget exactly where I read it, some early 20th book of political philosophy. Modern liberals want to use Hamiltonian means to achieve Jeffersonian ends, while modern conservatives (read: teabaggers; sane ones like DF and steve are exempt) want to use Jeffersonian means to achieve Hamiltonian ends.

I’m still thinking on that.

Jefferson and Hamilton were adversaries. Jefferson constantly accusing Hamilton of being a Monarchist.

Jefferson, never being good with money, couldn’t comprehend Hamilton’s ideas… .

298 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:10:51pm

re: #295 oaktree

John Adams appears to have been the cranky one. But I wonder if he loosened up a bit after having his daily glass of hard cider.

Perhaps, hard cider does the trick. Definitely my favorite sweet alcoholic beverage. So much better than Mike’s hard lemonade or the Smirnoff Ice. Franklin though I not only like because he was a lot of fun but because the man was a renaissance man with many interests and activities. People like that just seem like a lot of fun. As for Hamilton on slavery, wiki seems to say mixed things.

299 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:11:23pm

re: #293 ggt

This one was just a big, bad, hyper-exploded example of how things get done in D.C.

yup, and it led to even worse behavior…passing laws of this incomprehensible magnitude has a bill attached

300 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:11:52pm

re: #298 HappyWarrior

Perhaps, hard cider does the trick. Definitely my favorite sweet alcoholic beverage. So much better than Mike’s hard lemonade or the Smirnoff Ice. Franklin though I not only like because he was a lot of fun but because the man was a renaissance man with many interests and activities. People like that just seem like a lot of fun. As for Hamilton on slavery, wiki seems to say mixed things.

Hamilton grew-up a bastard and poor in the Islands. He saw first hand what slaves endured and had no love for it.

301 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:12:51pm

re: #298 HappyWarrior

Perhaps, hard cider does the trick. Definitely my favorite sweet alcoholic beverage. So much better than Mike’s hard lemonade or the Smirnoff Ice. Franklin though I not only like because he was a lot of fun but because the man was a renaissance man with many interests and activities. People like that just seem like a lot of fun. As for Hamilton on slavery, wiki seems to say mixed things.

Oh I’d probably enjoy watching Franklin in action rather than hang out with Adams. Franklin understood that part of life was living it. Plus hanging out with lecherous older “harmless uncle” types is always a blast since they and the pretty women get such a blast out of flirting with each other.

302 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:13:01pm

re: #300 ggt

Hamilton grew-up a bastard and poor in the Islands. He saw first hand what slaves endured and had no love for it.

It is ironic that the founder with the most humbling backstory was identified as an elitist.

303 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:13:01pm

re: #294 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Unless somebody normal runs, Perry looks to me like their best bet to try and unseat the incumbent. That, and convincing the leftybagger contingent to stay home. Some of them are gullible enough to fall for it, too.

is this a veiled confession that BO can be defeated?….hahaha!
he can

304 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:14:33pm

re: #294 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Unless somebody normal runs, Perry looks to me like their best bet to try and unseat the incumbent. That, and convincing the leftybagger contingent to stay home. Some of them are gullible enough to fall for it, too.

But Perry pushes all the right buttons really hard to get the Left riled up and willing to organize as well.

305 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:14:54pm

ahh…for the first time in a year I can put my feet up on the desk and relax

306 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:15:03pm

You know I feel the same conflict that I do with Jeffersonians/Hamiltonians that I do with J.Q Adams/Andrew Jackson. I love Jackson’s style and attempts to make American society more egalitarian albeit for white men only. At the same time, I love Adams’ abolitionism and support for national improvements. All very strange.

307 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:15:20pm

re: #302 HappyWarrior

It is ironic that the founder with the most humbling backstory was identified as an elitist.

I don’t even think he is officially considered a “founder”.

Ron Chertnow did a great biography on him.

I can’t remember exactly, his wife may have inherited slaves …

308 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:16:26pm

re: #307 ggt

I don’t even think he is officially considered a “founder”.

Ron Chertnow did a great biography on him.

I can’t remember exactly, his wife may have inherited slaves …

Didn’t he have a big role in the Federalist papers and ratification of the Constitution? Too young to be involved with the Declaration yes but I think I’d count him as a founder. More so than John Quincy Adams like Bachmann did at least.

309 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:16:37pm

re: #271 Lidane

Also, Rick Perry *knowingly* executed an innocent man. Fuck him.

“It takes balls to execute an innocent man.”

Republicans, and Texas Republicans in particular, are irredeemable, utter trash.

310 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:16:56pm

re: #277 HappyWarrior

Well there’s also the people who wanted to ban the Communist Party. I am no Communist but that was a gross overreaction. And you don’t go around condemning Communism for a lack of freedom when you tell people at home that they can’t be communists. And yes I feel the same thing about fascist groups. They suck but freedom of assembly and all that. It doesn’t say freedom of assembly for groups we like.

The argument used against them (mostly in countries where such things have happened) is that these groups abuse the right of free speech and assembly with the purpose of ultimately underminiing and destroying it.

I do not agree with these arguments, but then again, such a thing has yet to happen in America.

311 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:17:24pm

re: #306 HappyWarrior

You know I feel the same conflict that I do with Jeffersonians/Hamiltonians that I do with J.Q Adams/Andrew Jackson. I love Jackson’s style and attempts to make American society more egalitarian albeit for white men only. At the same time, I love Adams’ abolitionism and support for national improvements. All very strange.

We were lucky to have them all together at a time in history in which some sort of weird syncronicty (sp?) could happen. Can’t imagine it ever happening again.

312 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:17:25pm

re: #303 albusteve

is this a veiled confession that BO can be defeated?…hahaha!
he can

Lol veiled confession. e_e

What kind of ridiculous comment is that? Any incumbent can be beaten, so just say what you want to say.

313 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:17:46pm

re: #308 HappyWarrior

Didn’t he have a big role in the Federalist papers and ratification of the Constitution? Too young to be involved with the Declaration yes but I think I’d count him as a founder. More so than John Quincy Adams like Bachmann did at least.

I think he was the Federalist Papers —by and large.

314 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:18:04pm

re: #305 albusteve

ahh…for the first time in a year I can put my feet up on the desk and relax

Ah, it is the 12th isn’t it. Congrats! How’s it feel?

315 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:18:14pm

re: #309 goddamnedfrank

“It takes balls to execute an innocent man.”

Republicans, and Texas Republicans in particular, are irredeemable, utter trash.

IIRC, they just executed someone this week and have 9 more for September.

316 Lidane  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:18:14pm

re: #294 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Unless somebody normal runs, Perry looks to me like their best bet to try and unseat the incumbent. That, and convincing the leftybagger contingent to stay home. Some of them are gullible enough to fall for it, too.

Except that the GOP passes the nomination down like a birthright. It’s Romney’s “turn” now, so unless he completely falls apart I think it will be him.

317 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:18:14pm

re: #309 goddamnedfrank

“It takes balls to execute an innocent man.”

Republicans, and Texas Republicans in particular, are irredeemable, utter trash.

If this actually helped his career my faith in humanity just slipped a little. It’s not ballsy at all to execute an innocent man- in fact it’s the act of a coward.

318 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:18:14pm

re: #309 goddamnedfrank

“It takes balls to execute an innocent man.”

Republicans, and Texas Republicans in particular, are irredeemable, utter trash.

LOL!
so much wasted talent, Frank

319 Atlas Fails  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:18:28pm

re: #291 ggt

Hamilton was an abolitionist (I think he was actively so).

Jefferson said he abhorred slavery, but …

for all his good work, I have big issues with Jefferson over slavery.


Upding for historical accuracy, but I don’t think that’s what it referred to. Jefferson envisioned a agrarian society run by a well-informed public. Hamilton wanted power concentrated in the business and upper classes.

320 Atlas Fails  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:19:44pm

re: #292 HappyWarrior

It’s an interesting way of looking at it and I agree. I think this is why one of my liberal friends granted he’s a New Yorker but said flat out to me I like Hamilton more than I do Jefferson. Now as a Virginian I love Jefferson, I mean it’s pretty much state law that you have to love TJ here but I understood where he was coming from. Now my favorite founder reminds Benjamin Franklin because that guy was just awesome. I’d hit up the tavern night after night with Ben as wingman.


Funny, I’m from PA but TJ is my favorite Founding Father.

321 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:20:43pm

re: #319 Atlas Fails

Upding for historical accuracy, but I don’t think that’s what it referred to. Jefferson envisioned a agrarian society run by a well-informed public. Hamilton wanted power concentrated in the business and upper classes.

Jefferson was an idealist —even with free public education we can’t get a well-informed public. Although I’m not sure Jeffersons concept of “public” included non-white free men.

Hamilton was more of a pragmatist. He understood economics and the importance of the flow of money to the well being of a society.

322 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:21:02pm

re: #314 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Ah, it is the 12th isn’t it. Congrats! How’s it feel?

weird and cool and sorta painful on a good way…I’m rockin tho, it’s not a thing I can describe but I like it…I have a ways to go yet but at least it’s all on me now and I’m in control again…thanks for asking

323 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:21:08pm

re: #313 ggt

I think he was the Federalist Papers —by and large.

Yeah with James Madison and John Jay I believe. He was pretty brave in the revolutionary war too. I wrote an essay on him for my American history class my first year of college. I ultimately came out on Hamilton’s side arguing that despite being a bastard in more ways than one, the guy was a war hero, farsighted in that we live in Hamilton’s ideal of American more so than Jefferson, and that he was a better man than his murderer, Aaron Burr. I also mentioned that Hamilton refused to join a secession movement that formed in wake of the Louisiana Purchase. I also admire his humble back story but I am a sucker for rags to riches stories.

324 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:21:19pm

re: #281 Lidane

He prays to the right God, wants to secede, hates taxes, and is a retrograde reactionary. Of course the base loves him.

If he loses to Obama, however, he’ll be just another RINO to the wingnuts.


I am already pondering how they will spin his secessionist utterances. Prabably on the lines of “What he meant was that he loved American values so much that he wanted Texas to secede in order to maintain them in their pure form, as the rest of the country had lost sight of them…and he will be the one to bring them back to tthe entire nation”.

Trust me, if he can establish himself as the front runner, NOBODY within the party will dare come out against him, and any attempts outside the party to point out his obvious contraditions will get drowned out in a stampete of longhorned foghorn leghonery.

325 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:22:04pm

I’m off to see my Mommy.

Have a great evening all!

326 Lidane  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:22:18pm

re: #317 HappyWarrior

If this actually helped his career my faith in humanity just slipped a little. It’s not ballsy at all to execute an innocent man- in fact it’s the act of a coward.

It absolutely helped him. He killed an innocent man and still got re-elected. And his GOP primary challenger couldn’t use it against him because his base CHEERED HIM FOR IT.

The GOP here in Texas is utterly batshit insane.

327 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:22:24pm

re: #320 Atlas Fails

Funny, I’m from PA but TJ is my favorite Founding Father.

Monticello is awesome and Charlottesville is a nice college town. UVAers are kind of snobs but it’s beautiful down that way.

328 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:23:18pm

re: #316 Lidane

Except that the GOP passes the nomination down like a birthright. It’s Romney’s “turn” now, so unless he completely falls apart I think it will be him.

Also very possible. Neither would surprise me, but we were in for a lot of surprises in 2008. All the ’00s GEs, really.

329 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:23:24pm

re: #324 ralphieboy

I am already pondering how they will spin his secessionist utterances. Prabably on the lines of “What he meant was that he loved American values so much that he wanted Texas to secede in order to maintain them in their pure form, as the rest of the country had lost sight of them…and he will be the one to bring them back to tthe entire nation”.

Trust me, if he can establish himself as the front runner, NOBODY within the party will dare come out against him, and any attempts outside the party to point out his obvious contraditions will get drowned out in a stampete of longhorned foghorn leghonery.

just pandering blather…it will not amount to anything…he’s a god nut plain and simple…take it or leave it

330 Atlas Fails  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:23:24pm

re: #302 HappyWarrior

It is ironic that the founder with the most humbling backstory was identified as an elitist.


Maybe he was overcompensating?

331 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:23:24pm

re: #326 Lidane

It absolutely helped him. He killed an innocent man and still got re-elected. And his GOP primary challenger couldn’t use it against him because his base CHEERED HIM FOR IT.

The GOP here in Texas is utterly batshit insane.

As I said, faith, humanity, slipped, seriously though that’s terrible. I understand why people are pro death penalty. I myself am not but to cheer the execution of an innocent man is sick.

332 Atlas Fails  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:23:55pm

re: #327 HappyWarrior

Monticello is awesome and Charlottesville is a nice college town. UVAers are kind of snobs but it’s beautiful down that way.

Hey now! My cousin went to UVa ;)

333 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:24:59pm

re: #329 albusteve

just pandering blather…it will not amount to anything…he’s a god nut plain and simple…take it or leave it


I am not questioning that, I am more pondering how they are going to sell him, first to the party and then to the nation. I believe the GOP is convinced already that this is theri man to beat Obama.

334 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:25:10pm

re: #326 Lidane

It absolutely helped him. He killed an innocent man and still got re-elected. And his GOP primary challenger couldn’t use it against him because his base CHEERED HIM FOR IT.

The GOP here in Texas is utterly batshit insane.

BO is getting innocent men killed almost everyday in Astan…good men with honor and pride…it’s all relative

335 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:27:01pm

re: #333 ralphieboy

I am not questioning that, I am more pondering how they are going to sell him, first to the party and then to the nation. I believe the GOP is convinced already that this is theri man to beat Obama.

may be…to me he is the anti-Human

336 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:27:52pm

re: #333 ralphieboy

I am not questioning that, I am more pondering how they are going to sell him, first to the party and then to the nation. I believe the GOP is convinced already that this is theri man to beat Obama.

If unemployment and the economy still suck they’ll pull the “Are you better off then you were 4 years ago” card. Trust me.

337 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:28:46pm

re: #333 ralphieboy

I am not questioning that, I am more pondering how they are going to sell him, first to the party and then to the nation. I believe the GOP is convinced already that this is theri man to beat Obama.

I still think the GOP/RNC will pair him with someone halfway normal, TBA. Their major challenge is going to be moderates and PUMAs to pull the lever *for* them, and making sure the left stays home.

338 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:29:23pm

re: #334 albusteve

BO is getting innocent men killed almost everyday in Astan…good men with honor and pride…it’s all relative

It’s an all volunteer service. Everyone of them chose to be there.

No one chooses to be wrongfully convicted and to be murdered by the state.

339 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:29:32pm

re: #335 albusteve

may be…to me he is the anti-Human


does not matter, as long as he is the Anti-Obama, the one who has been lacking among the current crop of candidates. You can argue rationally against him all you want, but the plan is to drown it out with a sh*t storm of rhetoric about jobs, jobs and jobs.

340 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:29:32pm

re: #288 Killgore Trout

Both parties have made and broke promises to post bills online 30 days before a vote. It doesn’t work out because when wrangling for votes things need to be added or taken out to sway people at the last second. Once they get the promised votes they need to vote right away before somebody changes their mind. For better or for worse, it’s just the way things get done.

Very true. Despite promises made over the last 100 years, the realities of legislating still sometimes require backroom deals. Trying to madate that all deals happen in a manner visible to the public simply means nothing gets done. This is because the second a politician does something different to vote for a bill, he gets put under pressure from constituents or interest groups that don’t want the change. Wait an extra day, and the calls and emails may prove too much and he or she may have to desert the bill just to keep the callers happy.

341 Lidane  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:30:13pm

re: #334 albusteve

BO is getting innocent men killed almost everyday in Astan…good men with honor and pride…it’s all relative

Bullshit. Unless you want to tell me that Dubya got innocent men killed for eight years before Obama took office?

342 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:31:21pm

re: #309 goddamnedfrank

“It takes balls to execute an innocent man.”

Republicans, and Texas Republicans in particular, are irredeemable, utter trash.

Frank, you’ve now done what WindUpbird did and insulted me and my family. Either modify that statement or you can joint him on my shit list.

343 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:32:37pm

re: #339 ralphieboy

does not matter, as long as he is the Anti-Obama, the one who has been lacking among the current crop of candidates. You can argue rationally against him all you want, but the plan is to drown it out with a sh*t storm of rhetoric about jobs, jobs and jobs.

and rhetoric is the fuel that drives the electorate…I cannot vividly say what I think ought to be the end of the rising theocracy, Perry and Bachmann on the front of the charge

344 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:32:38pm

re: #336 Cannadian Club Akbar

If unemployment and the economy still suck they’ll pull the “Are you better off then you were 4 years ago” card. Trust me.


Count on gasoline prices to go up massively, peaking in late October/early november. This will be laid at Obama’s doorstep for hobbling industry attempts to produce more domestically.

Look for food prices to go up , further squeezing those whose major expenses after rent are gasoline and groceries.

And count on the GOP to do nothing to realistically improve employment so they can promise that RP will do for America what he did for Texas. Jobs-wise that is, ignoring all the other fine print about
environmental regulation, worker safety and benefits, etc…

345 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:33:11pm

re: #334 albusteve

BO is getting innocent men killed almost everyday in Astan…good men with honor and pride…it’s all relative

Steve, by that logic FDR was “getting innocent men killed” at Midway and Normandy. Your logic is extremely flawed.

346 Lidane  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:33:38pm

re: #338 wlewisiii

It’s an all volunteer service. Everyone of them chose to be there.

No one chooses to be wrongfully convicted and to be murdered by the state.

Exactly. Volunteering to serve your country is one thing.

Being convicted of murdering your family only to have exonerating evidence show up, and you end up getting killed anyway? Not the same thing. At ALL.

347 blueraven  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:33:55pm

re: #289 albusteve

yeah, it was bad, real bad

It was no worse than the prescription drug bill, where they had to hold the “15 minute” vote open for hours to get a few straggling and reluctant republicans on board in the wee hours…

Here are some things that happened on the night the GOP pushed the Medicare Prescription Drug Benefit through the House of Representatives:

A 15-minute vote was scheduled, and at the end of 15 minutes, the Democrats had won. The Republican leadership froze the clock for three hours while they desperately whipped defectors. This had never been done before. The closest was a 15-minute extension in 1987 that then-congressman Dick Cheney called “the most arrogant, heavy-handed abuse of power I’ve ever seen in the 10 years that I’ve been here.”


Tom DeLay bribed Rep. Nick Smith to vote for the legislation, using the political future of Smith’s son for leverage. DeLay was later reprimanded by the House Ethics Committee.

The leadership told Rep. Jim DeMint that they would cut off funding for his Senate race in South Carolina if he didn’t vote for the bill

voices.washingtonpost.com

348 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:34:00pm

re: #324 ralphieboy

I am already pondering how they will spin his secessionist utterances.

1- What secessionist utterances?

2- Why do you hate states rights? //

349 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:34:10pm

re: #341 Lidane

Bullshit. Unless you want to tell me that Dubya got innocent men killed for eight years before Obama took office?

Bush certainly did, not for eight but for three years…but that’s history now…
you partisan slip is showing

350 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:35:03pm

re: #344 ralphieboy

If gas prices go up, I expect that to be laid at President Obama’s feet. They sure as hell did it to W.

351 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:35:20pm

re: #345 Dark_Falcon

Steve, by that logic FDR was “getting innocent men killed” at Midway and Normandy. Your logic is extremely flawed.

no it isn’t…there us no victory in Astan, none….your logic is flawed

352 Lidane  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:36:21pm

re: #349 albusteve

Bush certainly did, not for eight but for three years…but that’s history now…
you partisan slip is showing

We’ve been in Afghanistan since 2001 and in Iraq since 2003.

Want to tell me again that every death there is Obama’s “fault”?

353 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:36:25pm

Big difference between guys who enlist knowing they may be sent in harm’s way than a guy who the governor knew he had a chance to save a life but didn’t do it anyhow for political reasons. I am not commenting one way or the other on the president’s Afghanistan strategy but the two situations couldn’t be anymore different.

354 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:36:41pm

re: #349 albusteve

Bush certainly did, not for eight but for three years…but that’s history now…
you partisan slip is showing

No slip, you’re just making political judgment and taking it far too far.

355 palomino  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:37:42pm

re: #351 albusteve

no it isn’t…there us no victory in Astan, none…your logic is flawed

a completely irrelevant non sequitir when it comes to the question of Perry being presented evidence that a man on TX death row was innocent…and then doing nothing about it, letting the execution go forward

356 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:37:53pm

re: #309 goddamnedfrank

“It takes balls to execute an innocent man.”

Republicans, and Texas Republicans in particular, are irredeemable, utter trash.

I still like our nation’s first Latina Governor. I have some serious disagreements with her, but I like her, and she is not trash. She was born in Texas.

Image: Governor_NewMexico.jpg

357 Atlas Fails  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:37:57pm

Dow closes at +125.

358 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:38:24pm

re: #347 blueraven

Wasn’t Medicare Part D written with Ted Kennedy? (I honestly don’t remember)

359 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:39:16pm

re: #350 Cannadian Club Akbar

If gas prices go up, I expect that to be laid at President Obama’s feet. They sure as hell did it to W.

Lol during those days, I was on a flight next to some jackass, complaining that “San Francisco Libs” weren’t letting him drill for oil on his own property.

I supposed he took me for one and was trying to take a swipe, but the comment was too stupid to even take offense at.

360 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:39:56pm

re: #352 Lidane

We’ve been in Afghanistan since 2001 and in Iraq since 2003.

Want to tell me again that every death there is Obama’s “fault”?

I didn’t say every death did I?
don’t be so confrontational, unless you want your ass kicked…
there is no record here of me supporting Bush and his foray into Astan…I despised him for it as well as mishandling the Iraq war

361 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:41:30pm

re: #356 wrenchwench

I still like our nation’s first Latina Governor. I have some serious disagreements with her, but I like her, and she is not trash. She was born in Texas.

Image: Governor_NewMexico.jpg

Susanna Martinez. Fwiw, one of the Palin endorsees that won their race.

362 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:41:44pm

re: #355 palomino

a completely irrelevant non sequitir when it comes to the question of Perry being presented evidence that a man on TX death row was innocent…and then doing nothing about it, letting the execution go forward

elected officials end up getting people dead…whether it’s mal judged state executions or presidential decree….that’s all there is to it

363 blueraven  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:41:53pm

re: #358 Cannadian Club Akbar

Wasn’t Medicare Part D written with Ted Kennedy? (I honestly don’t remember)

No. This was a republican bill.

364 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:42:13pm

re: #357 Atlas Fails

Dow closes at +125.

good enough for me.

365 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:42:59pm

re: #360 albusteve

don’t be so confrontational, unless you want your ass kicked

Ridiculous threat.

smh

366 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:43:33pm

re: #364 Killgore Trout

good enough for me.

what?…no end of America as we know it?
LOL!

367 Lidane  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:44:20pm

re: #362 albusteve

elected officials end up getting people dead…whether it’s mal judged state executions or presidential decree…that’s all there is to it

There is a world of difference between sending someone who volunteers to fight off to war and deliberately executing an innocent man despite having evidence that exonerates him.

368 JJ42  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:44:59pm

So when is Fred Phelps gonna come out of the closet?

369 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:45:14pm

re: #346 Lidane

Exactly. Volunteering to serve your country is one thing.

Being convicted of murdering your family only to have exonerating evidence show up, and you end up getting killed anyway? Not the same thing. At ALL.

Sounds like the Shawshank Redemption, without the redemption.

370 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:45:22pm

re: #367 Lidane

There is a world of difference between sending someone who volunteers to fight off to war and deliberately executing an innocent man despite having evidence that exonerates him.

did I say one was exactly like the other?…I said it’s all relative
can’t you read?

371 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:45:57pm

re: #361 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Susanna Martinez. Fwiw, one of the Palin endorsees that won their race.

Palin called her a “mama grizzly”. Susana has never given birth, but she does have a stepson. Does that count?

372 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:46:40pm

re: #368 JJ42

So when is Fred Phelps gonna come out of the closet?

Hopefully, never.

Who would go out with him?

373 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:46:53pm

re: #368 JJ42

So when is Fred Phelps gonna come out of the closet?

They’d have to put a door on his casket.

374 Lidane  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:47:47pm

re: #370 albusteve

did I say one was exactly like the other?…I said it’s all relative
can’t you read?

But you’re creating an equivalence when there isn’t one.

375 palomino  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:49:31pm

re: #367 Lidane

There is a world of difference between sending someone who volunteers to fight off to war and deliberately executing an innocent man despite having evidence that exonerates him.

oh, you with your silly nuance and facts

376 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:49:42pm

re: #371 wrenchwench

Palin called her a “mama grizzly”. Susana has never given birth, but she does have a stepson. Does that count?

Yeah I once did a writeup dispelling that idea that was floating around, that the so-called “Mama grizzly” (cripes, I hated that stupid gimmick) were just Palin clones. This was during the Christine O’Donnell/Nikki Haley newscycle months. Oh was that a wrong stereotype.

377 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:49:50pm

Funny thing about Phelps is I’ve seen in the past conservatives try to claim him as a liberal because he’s a registered Democrat and supported Al Gore’s run for the presidency in 1988. Nevermind the fact that party registration doesn’t mean squat or the fact that Phelps picketed Gore’s father’s funeral. He’s not a conservativel for the sole reason he’s a registered Dem.

378 JJ42  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:50:16pm

re: #372 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Hopefully, never.

Who would go out with him?

Heinrich Himmler perhaps, if it wasn’t for the fact that he’s been dead for some time.

379 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:50:17pm

re: #374 Lidane

But you’re creating an equivalence when there isn’t one.

I made a simple observation…you want friction so you make it what you will to enhance your towering partisanship…shit happens, doesn’t it…and people die for it

380 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:51:25pm

Kristen Schaal’s take on the Mama Grizzlies was hilarious. I thought it was stupid too. So uh your comparing yourselves to animals that have a reputation for mauling people. No offense to the grizzlies of course but it was stupid.

381 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:51:52pm

re: #379 albusteve

I made a simple observation…you want friction so you make it what you will to enhance your towering partisanship…shit happens, doesn’t it…and people die for it

Partisanship? Steve, you’ve had both Democrats and Republicans say you’re wrong on this one. I’d say that makes the sentiment bipartisan.

382 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:52:43pm

re: #378 JJ42

Heinrich Himmler perhaps, if it wasn’t for the fact that he’s been dead for some time.

I fully support the right of same sex pondscum to marry :).

383 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:53:39pm

the fact that presidents send our children to suffer and die in Astan is max repugnant to me…the very fact that these fine people volunteer to do so makes it a worse offense in my opinion…there is no moral excuse anymore, they are political pawns and I resent that bigtime

384 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:54:57pm

re: #381 Dark_Falcon

Partisanship? Steve, you’ve had both Democrats and Republicans say you’re wrong on this one. I’d say that makes the sentiment bipartisan.

don’t be a fool…go back and read what I posted and think about it if you have to

385 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:55:29pm

re: #380 HappyWarrior

Kristen Schaal’s take on the Mama Grizzlies was hilarious. I thought it was stupid too. So uh your comparing yourselves to animals that have a reputation for mauling people. No offense to the grizzlies of course but it was stupid.

Mauling people, then going into hibernation 6 mos out of the year.

She will turn anything into a gimmick. At first it was interesting, at least the gimmick’s wild successes were interesting. Now it’s just…eh.

386 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:55:38pm

Alrighty. Out again. bbl.

387 Lidane  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:57:47pm

re: #383 albusteve

By your logic, we shouldn’t have fought WW1 or WW2, because the president had to send out both volunteers and draftees to fight and possibly die.

388 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:58:02pm

re: #384 albusteve

don’t be a fool…go back and read what I posted and think about it if you have to

I have thought about it. Your were talking about “partisanship” in regards to a view that was clearly bipartisan. That’s makes you in error as far as I can see.

389 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 2:59:02pm

re: #385 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Mauling people, then going into hibernation 6 mos out of the year.

She will turn anything into a gimmick. At first it was interesting, at least the gimmick’s wild successes were interesting. Now it’s just…eh.

Do you remember the “Tito the Builder” guy? He was a Columbian immigrant that she tried to make in to the Latino equivalent of Joe the Plumber. Now he’s running for state office in the primary against the former chair of the state GOP who may feel hurt the party in the state. The WaPo metro section ran an article about both of them. I really hope the Dem wins. Got some sensible Republicans in Northern Va but these two ain’t it.

390 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:01:15pm

re: #387 Lidane

By your logic, we shouldn’t have fought WW1 or WW2, because the president had to send out both volunteers and draftees to fight and possibly die.

man are you dense…I was not expressing any logic….governors wrongly execute the innocent, presidents ship people off to their deaths overseas….I’m expressing the power that elected officials have over peoples lives, not making a political statement…like I said, it’s all relative, but you can construe whatever you need from it

391 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:01:57pm

re: #388 Dark_Falcon

I have thought about it. Your were talking about “partisanship” in regards to a view that was clearly bipartisan. That’s makes you in error as far as I can see.

go back to the beginning or quit arguing about it…get a clue

392 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:02:53pm

out for a short few

393 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:03:22pm

re: #391 albusteve

go back to the beginning or quit arguing about it…get a clue

I did go back to the beginning and I stand by my statement.

394 Lidane  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:04:31pm

re: #390 albusteve

I was not expressing any logic…

True.

395 palomino  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:05:18pm

re: #392 albusteve

out for a short few

take your time, all the “dense” “fools” who “don’t have a clue” and “can’t read” (all your words in just the last few comments) can probably muddle through for a few minutes, hours, days without your snark and bile.

396 Jack Burton  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:08:18pm

re: #387 Lidane

By your logic, we shouldn’t have fought WW1 or WW2, because the president had to send out both volunteers and draftees to fight and possibly die.

I hate to accidentally put words into someone’s mouth but what I believe Steve is trying to say is that any war in Afghanistan is unwinnable and continuing it results only in lives lost for no reason.

I don’t necessarily agree with this entirely, but it is a legitimate opinion and worthy of debate. AFAIK, technically no foreign army has “won” a war in Afghanistan since Tamerlane.

397 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:10:34pm

re: #389 HappyWarrior

Do you remember the “Tito the Builder” guy? He was a Columbian immigrant that she tried to make in to the Latino equivalent of Joe the Plumber. Now he’s running for state office in the primary against the former chair of the state GOP who may feel hurt the party in the state. The WaPo metro section ran an article about both of them. I really hope the Dem wins. Got some sensible Republicans in Northern Va but these two ain’t it.

I remember that little “_________ the __________” parade of stupid conservative clichés. Lol!

I didn’t know he was running for a GOP slot. And that dumb, aging skinhead Joe Wurtzelbacher…such rapid deterioration of a party. Doesn’t take much, I guess.

398 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:11:04pm

Speaking of Texas:

Katrina evacuees shift Houston’s identity

Houston (CNN) — A logo painted on the floor of Terrence Gasper’s barbershop says it all: “New Orleans’ finest.”

But this isn’t New Orleans. This is Houston.

Six years ago this month, Gasper and most other New Orleans residents boarded buses, filled SUVs and crammed highways to escape the wrath of Hurricane Katrina.

While the Louisiana city has begun to rebound, its former residents have made an indelible mark on the places they’ve gone — and none greater than in Houston, where as many as 250,000 evacuees landed after the hurricane, according to some estimates

The 2005 hurricane along the Gulf Coast left more than 1,700 people dead and wracked up billions of dollars in damages. Gasper is among the countless New Orleanians who chose to rebuild their lives in Texas after losing their homes, possessions and communities in the storm.

Since then, Gasper has developed a complicated relationship with his adopted city and his beloved hometown. You can’t take the 504 out of him, he says, referring to the city’s area code, but he won’t be moving back to New Orleans anytime soon, either.

“New Orleans is a hard place to live now,” the 34-year-old says. “For the hard-working people who are trying to build wealth and establish themselves, it’s a hard journey — a tough journey.”

Houston is a better place to raise families, evacuees like Gasper say, with better schools and less crime. They believe the economy here is healthier, with more jobs and higher pay. They’re convinced that Houston offers more security against another devastating hurricane.

399 BigPapa  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:11:23pm

re: #394 Lidane

True.

He was expressing his iteration of DAPism.

400 Atlas Fails  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:12:23pm

re: #395 palomino

take your time, all the “dense” “fools” who “don’t have a clue” and “can’t read” (all your words in just the last few comments) can probably muddle through for a few minutes, hours, days without your snark and bile.


Go easy on steve, he’s like the anti-Luap Nor: he’s usually rational, but occasionally dabbles in insanity.

401 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:13:34pm

re: #396 ArchangelMichael

I hate to accidentally put words into someone’s mouth but what I believe Steve is trying to say is that any war in Afghanistan is unwinnable and continuing it results only in lives lost for no reason.

I don’t necessarily agree with this entirely, but it is a legitimate opinion and worthy of debate. AFAIK, technically no foreign army has “won” a war in Afghanistan since Tamerlane.

The only ones other than him were the Mongols and the Macedonians of Alexander the Great. And both of those forces won by means of depopulation and devastation. Essentially, to borrow from Josephus, they “made a desert and called it peace”.

402 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:16:04pm

re: #397 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I remember that little “___ the ___” parade of stupid conservative clichés. Lol!

I didn’t know he was running for a GOP slot. And that dumb, aging skinhead Joe Wurtzelbacher…such rapid deterioration of a party. Doesn’t take much, I guess.

I know that Wurtzelbacher shaves his head, but I have not heard any evidence to suggest that he hold the kind of view identified with the skinheads. Please provide such evidence or cease describing him that way. “skinhead” is a serious charge in political terms.

403 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:16:13pm

Slow news day overall I guess. Which is a good thing.

404 freetoken  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:17:34pm

re: #403 Gus 802

Well, today’ hot rumor is that Queen Latifah is going to be on DWTS…

405 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:18:25pm

re: #404 freetoken

Well, today’ hot rumor is that Queen Latifah is going to be on DWTS…

Stop the presses!

406 freetoken  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:18:56pm

re: #405 Gus 802

Heh, if PerezHilton thinks it’s important…

407 palomino  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:19:43pm

re: #400 Atlas Fails

Go easy on steve, he’s like the anti-Luap Nor: he’s usually rational, but occasionally dabbles in insanity.

So he’s the resident “eccentric uncle” who every family has and often just ignores?

408 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:20:13pm

re: #406 freetoken

Heh, if PerezHilton thinks it’s important…

He still doing that stupid chit with the “white pen” on the images?

409 freetoken  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:22:27pm

Each day that goes by my disgust with the current GOP grows. Reflecting back on last nights “debate” it seems to me what we have in one of the two major political parties is nothing less than a reflection of a melt down in society. A real run from rationality and refusal to accept reality. But worse, from a moral and practical stance, is the elevation of hate-fueled fantasies to some sort of pretension of political discourse.

410 BigPapa  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:22:43pm

re: #407 palomino

So he’s the resident “eccentric uncle” who every family has and often just ignores?

Yes, when he gets a little too onery and we yell at him to shut up. The rest of the time he’s just some cute stinky urchin.

411 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:23:18pm

re: #402 Dark_Falcon

I know that Wurtzelbacher shaves his head, but I have not heard any evidence to suggest that he hold the kind of view identified with the skinheads. Please provide such evidence or cease describing him that way. “skinhead” is a serious charge in political terms.

Image: Bird.jpg

There are all manner of “skinheads”, so put your feathers down.

And no, I will not stop referring to him as “that aging skinhead.” Unless it’s to take the time to call him an “dumb bulletheaded loser, whose name is synonymous with a stupid GOP political gimmick.”

412 freetoken  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:24:32pm

re: #407 palomino

So he’s the resident “eccentric uncle” who every family has and often just ignores?

Sort of, but we still send him Christmas cards…

413 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:25:13pm

re: #395 palomino

take your time, all the “dense” “fools” who “don’t have a clue” and “can’t read” (all your words in just the last few comments) can probably muddle through for a few minutes, hours, days without your snark and bile.

not my problem…my bitter resentment that elected pols have power over life and death stands….Perry icing an innocent guy is wrong, BO send men to their deaths in Afghanistan is wrong…not France, Afghanistan

414 freetoken  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:25:23pm

re: #408 Gus 802

He still doing that stupid chit with the “white pen” on the images?

Don’t know… all I do is read his headlines via an RSS feed about DWTS.

415 BigPapa  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:25:34pm

re: #409 freetoken

Each day that goes by my disgust with the current GOP grows. Reflecting back on last nights “debate” it seems to me what we have in one of the two major political parties is nothing less than a reflection of a melt down in society. A real run from rationality and refusal to accept reality. But worse, from a moral and practical stance, is the elevation of hate-fueled fantasies to some sort of pretension of political discourse.

Wow, brilliant.

416 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:27:11pm

re: #407 palomino

So he’s the resident “eccentric uncle” who every family has and often just ignores?

do what you want…if that includes being rude it’s no sweat to me…I have my opinion about you as well

417 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:27:47pm

re: #414 freetoken

Don’t know… all I do is read his headlines via an RSS feed about DWTS.

Keeping busy? Haven’t seen you around as much as I used to.

418 palomino  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:28:54pm

re: #413 albusteve

not my problem…my bitter resentment that elected pols have power over life and death stands…Perry icing an innocent guy is wrong, BO send men to their deaths in Afghanistan is wrong…not France, Afghanistan

maybe you could do a little less name calling and “threats” to kick people’s asses…you know, civil discourse and all that

but then, i guess every community needs a “cute stinky urchin/cranky old uncle” (as others referred to you above) so whatever gets you off, go for it

419 freetoken  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:29:15pm

re: #415 BigPapa

Wow, brilliant.

I just find it hard to believe that any American can take seriously a politician who thinks it’s optional for the US Treasury to write checks to pay interest or debt that we’ve promised to the holder of the bond/bill, or to pay the salaries of people who have worked the previous two weeks.

Any such politician is just a demagogic opportunist.

420 palomino  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:29:24pm

re: #416 albusteve

do what you want…if that includes being rude it’s no sweat to me…I have my opinion about you as well

oh please, do share

421 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:30:21pm

re: #397 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I remember that little “___ the ___” parade of stupid conservative clichés. Lol!

I didn’t know he was running for a GOP slot. And that dumb, aging skinhead Joe Wurtzelbacher…such rapid deterioration of a party. Doesn’t take much, I guess.

Joe the Plumber, one of the most dumb inventions I’ve ever seen. Not a Joe nor a plumber.I remember he questioned Obama’s support for Israel on Fox and Shepperd Smith basically told him that he shouldn’t be talking about stuff he doesn’t know.

422 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:31:05pm

re: #409 freetoken

Each day that goes by my disgust with the current GOP grows. Reflecting back on last nights “debate” it seems to me what we have in one of the two major political parties is nothing less than a reflection of a melt down in society. A real run from rationality and refusal to accept reality. But worse, from a moral and practical stance, is the elevation of hate-fueled fantasies to some sort of pretension of political discourse.

Chris Heinze’s rundown of the debate, so-called, was hilarious. gop12.thehill.com

As for the rest of your post, I agree, and think conservatives in general are getting exactly what they deserve. The Perry-Bachmann-Palin-Cain-Santorum socon monster of their own creation is now eating them. They’re not going to have a choice but to pair one those assholes with someone normal, who they’re going to have to scrape up from somewhere, because they haven’t stepped forward, yet. Good luck to ‘em, on that.

423 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:31:28pm

re: #418 palomino

maybe you could do a little less name calling and “threats” to kick people’s asses…you know, civil discourse and all that

but then, i guess every community needs a “cute stinky urchin/cranky old uncle” (as others referred to you above) so whatever gets you off, go for it

I was civil….you are confused as usual, which means I disregard your sniping…carry on for another word tho LOL!

424 freetoken  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:31:59pm

re: #417 Gus 802

I’ve had less time to spend here.

I still have about a dozen “Pages” I want to put up and that I’ve started by not finished, on everything from the Adam & Eve belief to essays on economics, but it takes time…

425 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:32:02pm
426 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:32:32pm

re: #413 albusteve

not my problem…my bitter resentment that elected pols have power over life and death stands…Perry icing an innocent guy is wrong, BO send men to their deaths in Afghanistan is wrong…not France, Afghanistan

So, we should have no army? If we have a president, we have someone who sometimes has the power of life and death. That’s the nature of being commander in chief. Sorry, Steve, but that’s the way it is. No use resenting it.

427 freetoken  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:33:13pm

re: #425 goddamnedfrank

I can’t get over his slaughter of the English language last night.

428 palomino  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:33:25pm

re: #423 albusteve

I was civil…you are confused as usual, which means I disregard your sniping…carry on for another word tho LOL!

civility is calling people “dense” “fools” who “can’t read” and “don’t have a clue”? then throwing in silly comments about “kicking asses” of other commenters…in what universe is that civil?

429 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:33:34pm

re: #425 goddamnedfrank

Herman Cain’s gotta catch ‘em all!

Great aside from being a lunatic on Islam, Herman Cain wants to bring back what I hated about the late 90’s and early 00’s.

430 BigPapa  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:34:01pm

re: #419 freetoken

I just find it hard to believe that any American can take seriously a politician who thinks it’s optional for the US Treasury to write checks to pay interest or debt that we’ve promised to the holder of the bond/bill, or to pay the salaries of people who have worked the previous two weeks.

Any such politician is just a demagogic opportunist.

I keep saying I’m not shocked anymore. Then I’m shocked again.

The person who thinks that (being cavalier about US debts) probably thinks it’s good to go back to the gold standard. The ‘full faith and backing’ thing is lost when there is no full faith and backing. Which is a self perpetuating prophecy.

It’s freaky scary.

431 lostlakehiker  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:34:07pm

re: #100 oaktree

Or simply create food production efficiencies so that the Indians and Chinese continue to multiply. While as the same time get the Christian West to turn up the cultural rhetoric so that all the new population have no interest in Christianity, will not be saved, and therefore will be instant souls that Satan gets.

Maybe he is doing better than you thought?
(Assuming it’s some sort of zero-sum soul for God or soul for Satan game.)

That’s not the game. More Chinese now means more Chinese later, and even for the transcendently witty damned, it’s not possible to see indefinitely into the future. They might, God knows how, embrace the faith. Or something. And then everything’s gone all to heaven. Drat, double drat, and bless it.

Or something like that.

432 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:34:43pm

re: #426 Dark_Falcon

So, we should have no army? If we have a president, we have someone who sometimes has the power of life and death. That’s the nature of being commander in chief. Sorry, Steve, but that’s the way it is. No use resenting it.

sure there is…Astan is a black hole that kills people and I certainly resent having our people there…it has nothing to do with having a standing army….if you support having our troops there then I resent you as well

433 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:35:46pm

re: #428 palomino

civility is calling people “dense” “fools” who “can’t read” and “don’t have a clue”? then throwing in silly comments about “kicking asses” of other commenters…in what universe is that civil?

I fight fire with fire…if you are decent to me, I’ll return the nicety….pretty simple

434 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:36:39pm

re: #432 albusteve

sure there is…Astan is a black hole that kills people and I certainly resent having our people there…it has nothing to do with having a standing army…if you support having our troops there then I resent you as well

Then you resent me. I can live with that.

435 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:36:53pm

re: #421 HappyWarrior

Joe the Plumber, one of the most dumb inventions I’ve ever seen. Not a Joe nor a plumber.I remember he questioned Obama’s support for Israel on Fox and Shepperd Smith basically told him that he shouldn’t be talking about stuff he doesn’t know.

Shepperd Smith is a Libbarul Dem and very French!!

436 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:37:31pm

re: #435 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

and teh ghey or so I heard.

437 lostlakehiker  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:37:42pm

re: #398 Dark_Falcon

Speaking of Texas:

Katrina evacuees shift Houston’s identity

Well, yeah, Houston offers more security against a hurricane. And less crime, and more opportunity, and, like, everything.

In a rational world, New Orleans would be wound down as indefensible. No matter what we do with respect to AGW, there’s enough momentum to ensure that NOL goes under the waves.

Houston too, but not nearly so early in the game and not on the whim of the inevitable Storm Too Big.

438 palomino  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:38:44pm

re: #433 albusteve

I fight fire with fire…if you are decent to me, I’ll return the nicety…pretty simple

for the most part over the years, i have been pretty decent to you. call me old fashioned, i just don’t think that “man you are dense” and “you are a fool” are very good opening lines, especially toward the likes of DF, who usually bends over backwards to be civil and even kind.

439 freetoken  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:40:43pm

re: #437 lostlakehiker

Yes, NOLA is doomed.

But then again, so is Las Vegas (ironically from the inverse of NOLA’s problem). Yet we saw what happened when the President of the US tried to mention this around 2 years ago - howls and gnashing of teeth.

So, no one is going to do anything about NOLA’s demise… or Las Vegas’ for that matter.

Large civilizations crumble, they don’t go into the dark suddenly.

440 blueraven  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:40:58pm

re: #426 Dark_Falcon

So, we should have no army? If we have a president, we have someone who sometimes has the power of life and death. That’s the nature of being commander in chief. Sorry, Steve, but that’s the way it is. No use resenting it.

I think Steve points to Afghanistan as a special case. A death trap, a no win boondoggle. In that he may have a point. Iraq was worse, Vietnam was worse, but I cant argue that he is not right about Afghanistan.

Still doesn’t make much sense in the context of Rick Perry and the death penalty.

441 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:41:12pm

re: #434 Dark_Falcon

Then you resent me. I can live with that.

of course….a lot of people here support our mission over there…I resent the idea but I don’t dislike them for it

442 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:41:59pm

re: #438 palomino

for the most part over the years, i have been pretty decent to you. call me old fashioned, i just don’t think that “man you are dense” and “you are a fool” are very good opening lines, especially toward the likes of DF, who usually bends over backwards to be civil and even kind.

you are delusional…add that to your shopping list

443 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:42:14pm

re: #436 HappyWarrior

and teh ghey or so I heard.

Same thing!!!

444 lostlakehiker  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:43:11pm

re: #233 ralphieboy

THe Perry. He is everything the party wants: appeals to the Christians, the tea pariters, can say that he is for jobs, jobs and jobs while soft-pedalling his own Christian fundamentalism and his deisregard for environmental and work safety regulations.

He can walk away with the nomination, all he has to do is reach out and take it. And once he has established himself as the party’s front runner and closen obama Slayer, nobody in the GOP will dare raise a voice against him.

Read the post immediately before yours. Perry is another conservative pro-business TX governor. Republicans are aware of just how not popular the legacy of Bush II is, and they want to win. They will see the inadvisability of nominating a version of Bush III.

445 palomino  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:44:02pm

re: #437 lostlakehiker

Well, yeah, Houston offers more security against a hurricane. And less crime, and more opportunity, and, like, everything.

In a rational world, New Orleans would be wound down as indefensible. No matter what we do with respect to AGW, there’s enough momentum to ensure that NOL goes under the waves.

Houston too, but not nearly so early in the game and not on the whim of the inevitable Storm Too Big.

It helps that Houston is 50 miles inland. Galveston and other coastal cities get the worst of it. Growing up in Houston, we always thought the Galveston holdouts were kinda crazy for not evacuating inland. Quite a few have paid with their lives over the years.

446 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:44:56pm

re: #432 albusteve

sure there is…Astan is a black hole that kills people and I certainly resent having our people there…it has nothing to do with having a standing army…if you support having our troops there then I resent you as well

Steve. Why would you resent DF for having a different opinion on AFPAK? I happen to agree with you somewhat and think that it will be waste of money and live in the long run. DF disagrees with this. But I don’t see a reason to resent him for that.

447 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:45:04pm

re: #437 lostlakehiker

Well, yeah, Houston offers more security against a hurricane. And less crime, and more opportunity, and, like, everything.

In a rational world, New Orleans would be wound down as indefensible. No matter what we do with respect to AGW, there’s enough momentum to ensure that NOL goes under the waves.

Houston too, but not nearly so early in the game and not on the whim of the inevitable Storm Too Big.

Actually, Houston can likely be saved. But you’re likely right about New Orleans. The ground is just too low.

448 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:46:58pm

re: #440 blueraven

I think Steve points to Afghanistan as a special case. A death trap, a no win boondoggle. In that he may have a point. Iraq was worse, Vietnam was worse, but I cant argue that he is not right about Afghanistan.

Still doesn’t make much sense in the context of Rick Perry and the death penalty.

The thing is that Iraq may well be a victory after all. We have to see how things go in the next few years, but if it stays at least mostly democratic we will be able to claim a substantial, though not decisive, victory.

449 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:47:36pm

re: #437 lostlakehiker

Well, yeah, Houston offers more security against a hurricane. And less crime, and more opportunity, and, like, everything.

In a rational world, New Orleans would be wound down as indefensible. No matter what we do with respect to AGW, there’s enough momentum to ensure that NOL goes under the waves.

Houston too, but not nearly so early in the game and not on the whim of the inevitable Storm Too Big.

NOLA is a national treasure…it has not gone under yet, and maybe never will…to toss away that town is unthinkable in my opinion…Houston is just another town by comparison

450 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:47:38pm

re: #444 lostlakehiker

Read the post immediately before yours. Perry is another conservative pro-business TX governor. Republicans are aware of just how not popular the legacy of Bush II is, and they want to win. They will see the inadvisability of nominating a version of Bush III.

Perry has long distanced himself from Bush 2. Expect him to use it.

451 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:48:12pm

Going to smoke a cig in the shade.

452 palomino  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:48:14pm

re: #442 albusteve

you are delusional…add that to your shopping list

thanks for proving my point, grumpy old gramps…you look for these skirmishes all the time and usually seem to find them, congrats, mission accomplished

453 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:49:41pm

re: #439 freetoken

So, no one is going to do anything about NOLA’s demise… or Las Vegas’ for that matter.

I don’t think so. Lots of development there, after people left. Downtown is all chain hotels, casinos, etc.

454 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:49:43pm

re: #429 HappyWarrior

Great aside from being a lunatic on Islam, Herman Cain wants to bring back what I hated about the late 90’s and early 00’s.

Psyduck 2012, I choose you!

455 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:50:17pm

re: #446 Gus 802

Steve. Why would you resent DF for having a different opinion on AFPAK? I happen to agree with you somewhat and think that it will be waste of money and live in the long run. DF disagrees with this. But I don’t see a reason to resent him for that.

resent is not the perfect word I admit…allowing our kids to die for some theoretical ideal pisses me off to to end….call it what you will

456 blueraven  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:50:39pm

re: #447 Dark_Falcon

Actually, Houston can likely be saved. But you’re likely right about New Orleans. The ground is just too low.

Many major cities have their issues. What about SF and the great earthquake or another CA city.
Wildfires and floods affect a lot of areas. I dont think NOLA should be singled out as un-saveable.

It is a great, great city.

457 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:50:58pm

re: #448 Dark_Falcon

The thing is that Iraq may well be a victory after all. We have to see how things go in the next few years, but if it stays at least mostly democratic we will be able to claim a substantial, though not decisive, victory.

That was never the goal.

Who knows what the stupid goal ever was, or is, at this point.

458 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:51:25pm

re: #440 blueraven

I think Steve points to Afghanistan as a special case. A death trap, a no win boondoggle. In that he may have a point. Iraq was worse, Vietnam was worse, but I cant argue that he is not right about Afghanistan.

Still doesn’t make much sense in the context of Rick Perry and the death penalty.

it was never a one to one comparison…that was clear

459 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:52:12pm

re: #457 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

That was never the goal.

Who knows what the stupid goal ever was, or is, at this point.

If the goal was to empower Iran, then fucking Mission Accomplished!

460 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:52:49pm

re: #447 Dark_Falcon

Actually, Houston can likely be saved. But you’re likely right about New Orleans. The ground is just too low.

then build a 40ft wall around the entire city….shovel ready
it is far too precious to let go

461 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:53:34pm

re: #456 blueraven

Many major cities have their issues. What about SF and the great earthquake or another CA city.
Wildfires and floods affect a lot of areas. I dont think NOLA should be singled out as un-saveable.

It is a great, great city.

I don’t intend to simply ‘write it off’. But we do need to be aware that we may not be able to save it. But you’re right that we have to try.

462 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:54:00pm

re: #456 blueraven

Many major cities have their issues. What about SF and the great earthquake or another CA city.
Wildfires and floods affect a lot of areas. I dont think NOLA should be singled out as un-saveable.

It is a great, great city.

Anybody saying that would have a FIT if someone else said that about their city, yet other people’s homes, livlihoods, family histories, that’s expendable. Such a con attitude.

463 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:54:43pm

re: #456 blueraven

Many major cities have their issues. What about SF and the great earthquake or another CA city.
Wildfires and floods affect a lot of areas. I dont think NOLA should be singled out as un-saveable.

It is a great, great city.

good point…we have our work cut out for us….abandoning SF because of earthqakes is unthinkable

464 blueraven  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:55:41pm

re: #448 Dark_Falcon

The thing is that Iraq may well be a victory after all. We have to see how things go in the next few years, but if it stays at least mostly democratic we will be able to claim a substantial, though not decisive, victory.

I am not concerned about declaring victory. I am concerned about declaring war on a country that never was a threat to us. I am concerned about all the loss of life, civilian and military. And the cost.

Same with Vietnam.

At least with Afghanistan, there was some rationale. The all out invasion was probably not the best way. But now, it is what it is.

465 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:56:21pm

re: #452 palomino

thanks for proving my point, grumpy old gramps…you look for these skirmishes all the time and usually seem to find them, congrats, mission accomplished

you have never been nice to me, not once
take it or leave it…I cannot brawl anymore over this stuff and everybody knows it

466 palomino  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:56:49pm

re: #464 blueraven

I am not concerned about declaring victory. I am concerned about declaring war on a country that never was a threat to us. I am concerned about all the loss of life, civilian and military. And the cost.

Same with Vietnam.

At least with Afghanistan, there was some rationale. The all out invasion was probably not the best way. But now, it is what it is.

The longest “hot” war in US history?

467 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:56:54pm

re: #462 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Anybody saying that would have a FIT if someone else said that about their city, yet other people’s homes, livlihoods, family histories, that’s expendable. Such a con attitude.

What the Hell! I didn’t say ‘expendable’. And I remind you that the discussion was regarding AGW. If the issue is real (and we’ve agreed it is), then it is possible for New Orleans to end up sunk. That was my context, not some matter ‘expendability’.

468 Jack Burton  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:57:16pm

re: #456 blueraven

Many major cities have their issues. What about SF and the great earthquake or another CA city.
Wildfires and floods affect a lot of areas. I dont think NOLA should be singled out as un-saveable.

It is a great, great city.

If you look hard enough you could find a legit reason to not live in (or repair/rebuild) any city in the world. There is no perfect place outside of opinions and personal preferences.

469 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:57:32pm

I have to go. Back in a while.

470 palomino  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:58:50pm

re: #465 albusteve

you have never been nice to me, not once
take it or leave it…I cannot brawl anymore over this stuff and everybody knows it

untrue, you and i have talked about classic rock on many occasions, everything from stones to who to tull, etc….there was zero animosity from me in those discussions and i actually praised your knowledge

471 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:59:04pm

re: #448 Dark_Falcon

The thing is that Iraq may well be a victory after all. We have to see how things go in the next few years, but if it stays at least mostly democratic we will be able to claim a substantial, though not decisive, victory.

I find the juxtaposition of your 447 and your 448 to be just scrumptious

Iraq is a victory! Abandon New Orleans!

Good thing the Netherlands are a bit more positive about their home than you are about yours:

The Netherlands is a geographically low-lying country, with about 25% of its area and 21% of its population located below sea level

472 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:59:10pm

re: #467 Dark_Falcon

What the Hell! I didn’t say ‘expendable’. And I remind you that the discussion was regarding AGW. If the issue is real (and we’ve agreed it is), then it is possible for New Orleans to end up sunk. That was my context, not some matter ‘expendability’.

Find where I said “Dark_Falcon” in that post.

473 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:59:49pm

New Orleans is sinking. Literally. 1 inch a year.
It was built in a foolish place to begin with.

474 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:00:42pm

re: #473 Varek Raith

New Orleans is sinking. Literally. 1 inch a year.
It was built in a foolish place to begin with.

475 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:01:36pm

re: #470 palomino

untrue, you and i have talked about classic rock on many occasions, everything from stones to who to tull, etc…there was zero animosity from me in those discussions and i actually praised your knowledge

well then…now we are getting somewhere…so many people attack me and my style I lose track…I’ve been pounded pretty good here over the years and want to put that stuff behind me….I submit

476 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:02:20pm

re: #475 albusteve

well then…now we are getting somewhere…so many people attack me and my style I lose track…I’ve been pounded pretty good here over the years and want to put that stuff behind me…I submit

You’re ok man.
:)

477 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:03:31pm

re: #476 Varek Raith

You’re ok man.
:)

I have ALWAYS tried to make friends from adversaries…I won’t stop now

478 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:06:40pm

re: #471 WindUpBird

Iraq is a victory! Abandon New Orleans!

Technology is for killing machines, not the Army Corps of Engineers. ///

479 palomino  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:10:21pm

re: #475 albusteve

well then…now we are getting somewhere…so many people attack me and my style I lose track…I’ve been pounded pretty good here over the years and want to put that stuff behind me…I submit

sure, i’ve attacked your tone from time to time, as well as given major props on your knowledge of rock and blues…the duality of man, you know

480 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:14:39pm

re: #479 palomino

sure, i’ve attacked your tone from time to time, as well as given major props on your knowledge of rock and blues…the duality of man, you know

good ground to move on from…thanks

481 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:14:51pm

re: #471 WindUpBird

Psst. The Netherlands has no need to worry about hurricanes…

482 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:20:25pm

Cost of War trade offs for New Orleans:

Taxpayers in the city of New Orleans, Louisiana will pay $83.9 million for Afghanistan war spending for FY2011. For the same amount of money, the following could be provided:

73,099 Children Receiving Low-Income Healthcare for One Year OR
1,568 Elementary School Teachers for One Year OR
2,267 Firefighters for One Year OR
11,863 Head Start Slots for Children for One Year OR
13,963 Households with Renewable Electricity - Solar Photovoltaic for One Year OR
37,237 Households with Renewable Electricity-Wind Power for One Year OR
11,604 Military Veterans Receiving VA Medical Care for One Year OR
22,259 People Receiving Low-Income Healthcare for One Year OR
1,957 Police or Sheriff’s Patrol Officers for One Year OR
16,036 Scholarships for University Students for One Year OR
15,120 Students receiving Pell Grants of $5550

483 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:20:45pm

I love this country, this America…I have never hated a town or a state or a region…to give up SF or NOLA or KC or Miami to disaster without a fight is just not in my blood…these are my people, my friends and my neighbors and I would stand with them to the end if it come to that

484 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:20:58pm

re: #447 Dark_Falcon

Isn’t the French Quarter above sea level? I have been told by a Cajun I know that the French avoided the lowest ground for building. I never checked, but it seems sensible to not rebuild housing below sea level in hurricane country. Let me guess, that was the cheap land and the developers had their way…. Pure speculation on my part, but am I wrong?

485 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:21:19pm

re: #482 Gus 802

Cost of War trade offs for New Orleans:

Taxpayers in the city of New Orleans, Louisiana will pay $83.9 million for Afghanistan war spending for FY2011. For the same amount of money, the following could be provided:

73,099 Children Receiving Low-Income Healthcare for One Year OR
1,568 Elementary School Teachers for One Year OR
2,267 Firefighters for One Year OR
11,863 Head Start Slots for Children for One Year OR
13,963 Households with Renewable Electricity - Solar Photovoltaic for One Year OR
37,237 Households with Renewable Electricity-Wind Power for One Year OR
11,604 Military Veterans Receiving VA Medical Care for One Year OR
22,259 People Receiving Low-Income Healthcare for One Year OR
1,957 Police or Sheriff’s Patrol Officers for One Year OR
16,036 Scholarships for University Students for One Year OR
15,120 Students receiving Pell Grants of $5550

Here’s for both wars combined since 2001:

Taxpayers in the city of New Orleans, Louisiana have paid $867.1 million for Total War Spending (Iraq + Afghanistan) Since FY01. For the same amount of money, the following could be provided:

755,282 Children Receiving Low-Income Healthcare for One Year OR
16,203 Elementary School Teachers for One Year OR
23,426 Firefighters for One Year OR
122,580 Head Start Slots for Children for One Year OR
144,279 Households with Renewable Electricity - Solar Photovoltaic for One Year OR
384,746 Households with Renewable Electricity-Wind Power for One Year OR
119,904 Military Veterans Receiving VA Medical Care for One Year OR
229,990 People Receiving Low-Income Healthcare for One Year OR
20,228 Police or Sheriff’s Patrol Officers for One Year OR
165,691 Scholarships for University Students for One Year OR
156,227 Students receiving Pell Grants of $5550

486 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:21:52pm

re: #483 albusteve

I love this country, this America…I have never hated a town or a state or a region…to give up SF or NOLA or KC or Miami to disaster without a fight is just not in my blood…these are my people, my friends and my neighbors and I would stand with them to the end if it come to that

I tend to agree. Though, Mother Nature is a bitch of an opponent.

487 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:22:51pm

Total for USA:

Taxpayers in The United States have paid $1.3 trillion for Total War Spending (Iraq + Afghanistan) Since FY01. For the same amount of money, the following could be provided:

646.0 million Children Receiving Low-Income Healthcare for One Year OR
19.3 million Elementary School Teachers for One Year OR
22.1 million Firefighters for One Year OR
165.8 million Head Start Slots for Children for One Year OR
285.4 million Households with Renewable Electricity - Solar Photovoltaic for One Year OR
761.1 million Households with Renewable Electricity-Wind Power for One Year OR
161.6 million Military Veterans Receiving VA Medical Care for One Year OR
259.2 million People Receiving Low-Income Healthcare for One Year OR
19.1 million Police or Sheriff’s Patrol Officers for One Year OR
159.9 million Scholarships for University Students for One Year OR
227.1 million Students receiving Pell Grants of $5550

488 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:23:01pm

re: #484 Rightwingconspirator

Isn’t the French Quarter above sea level? I have been told by a Cajun I know that the French avoided the lowest ground for building. I never checked, but it seems sensible to not rebuild housing below sea level in hurricane country. Let me guess, that was the cheap land and the developers had their way… Pure speculation on my part, but am I wrong?

I believe the Quarter is 9ft below sea level….looking across from Jackson Park you can see it drop…correct me if I’m wrong

489 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:23:15pm

re: #342 Dark_Falcon

Frank, you’ve now done what WindUpbird did and insulted me and my family. Either modify that statement or you can joint him on my shit list.

You know what? I’ve thought about it and I’ll be happy to join WUB. Not every comment against Republicans is an insult targeting you or your family, you make it that way to try and effect some kind of cheap emotional gambit. But you’re going to start issuing ultimatums to me you might as well learn what your pissy little shit list is worth, absolutely nothing.

490 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:23:29pm

Dey tuk er jobs!

491 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:25:05pm

re: #342 Dark_Falcon

Frank, you’ve now done what WindUpbird did and insulted me and my family. Either modify that statement or you can joint him on my shit list.


Hey, i got a mention!

492 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:25:30pm

the dire situation in NOLA is the abuse of the wetlands and bayous below there down to the Gulf…big oil reduced the prospects for NOLA’s survival

493 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:26:10pm

re: #491 WindUpBird

Hey, i got a mention!

DRINK!

494 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:26:14pm

re: #482 Gus 802

And $2.00 bullet in OBL’s head in the 1990’s would have saved us 9/11, the Patriot Act all the costs of Afghanistan and DHS…

But then these comparisons are silly. You can take any government expenditure and see how far it would have gotten in humanitarian aid terms instead. I used to hear it as a kid about the Apollo program.

These same tax monies would have been spend on different military needs if we were not at war at all. Or spend somewhere else by congress. Is there good reason to think any of the things you listed would have happened instead?

495 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:26:37pm

re: #493 albusteve

DRINK!

out of beer :(

496 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:27:42pm

re: #488 albusteve

Three feet above according to Wiki.

497 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:27:42pm

re: #495 WindUpBird

out of beer :(

then I’ll hoist two…one for me, one for you

498 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:28:09pm

re: #492 albusteve

the dire situation in NOLA is the abuse of the wetlands and bayous below there down to the Gulf…big oil reduced the prospects for NOLA’s survival

A fascinating read on the subject.

499 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:28:31pm

re: #488 albusteve

I believe the Quarter is 9ft below sea level…looking across from Jackson Park you can see it drop…correct me if I’m wrong

Three feet above sea level with the levees at about 5 feet above sea level.

500 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:30:48pm

re: #489 goddamnedfrank

Any insult that says “all Republicans” insults, well all Republicans. Duh. Or in your case especially all Texan Republicans. I’m neither. But I can understand the frustration at broad brush insults like that. It’s wrong, and a kind of thing ordinarily frowned on around here.

501 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:30:50pm

re: #496 Rightwingconspirator

Three feet above according to Wiki.

re: #496 Rightwingconspirator

Three feet above according to Wiki.

I get my barrios mixed up…parts of that town are just above sea level, other parts just below…certainly not ideal, but it’s NOLA, it’s special….the Quarter, the Garden District, Uptown, they are a living museum

502 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:31:43pm

re: #494 Rightwingconspirator

And $2.00 bullet in OBL’s head in the 1990’s would have saved us 9/11, the Patriot Act all the costs of Afghanistan and DHS…

But then these comparisons are silly. You can take any government expenditure and see how far it would have gotten in humanitarian aid terms instead. I used to hear it as a kid about the Apollo program.

These same tax monies would have been spend on different military needs if we were not at war at all. Or spend somewhere else by congress. Is there good reason to think any of the things you listed would have happened instead?

Thoughts to ponder. I have no comment since those are just bulk trade-offs. I’m not going to come up with answer now and I don’t have one ready. All I can say overall is that destination overkill comes easy to us. It’s not about the past but about the future obviously. We can’t turn back the hands of time. However, the Obama White House finally indicated a change in foreign policy which we will likely see after he is re-elected. We can’t continue down this road for much longer if we expect this nation to survive. The only other solution I can think of off hand is to drastically raise taxes on everyone if we expect to rebuild this nation from it’s current state and continue this gunboat diplomacy at the same time.

503 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:32:58pm

Later gators.
Have a good weekend!
:)

504 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:33:46pm

re: #498 wrenchwench

A fascinating read on the subject.

I’ve heard of this book…time to buy it….the energy business has all but killed off the famed Cajun culture…shameful

505 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:36:29pm

re: #500 Rightwingconspirator

Any insult that says “all Republicans” insults, well all Republicans. Duh. Or in your case especially all Texan Republicans. I’m neither. But I can understand the frustration at broad brush insults like that. It’s wrong, and a kind of thing ordinarily frowned on around here.

people like good old Frank are turning the screws tho…collectivism, intolerance and pea brain thinking is becoming acceptable…it’s always everybody or nobody…you get the flow after awhile

506 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:41:26pm

re: #504 albusteve

I’ve heard of this book…time to buy it…the energy business has all but killed off the famed Cajun culture…shameful

Sustainability was never one of our strong points as a nation. Only now has the notion of sustainability or conservation has finally started to take root. Yet that is facing strong resistance from industry lobbyists and their allies in congress. In the old days we used to call it something like “reap, rape, and destroy.” It’s not as bad as it used to be though and has improved a great deal with the creation of agencies like the EPA and with the help of the Army Corps of Engineers. However, much of the damage is far to great and habitat loss continues by the second. That habitat loss has a direct impact on the Cajun people.

507 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:44:49pm

re: #505 albusteve

Heh. Mom always said I was stubborn, and happiest when hiking up hill so to speak. Rest her soul.

I’m out, it’s subway time. I’ll jump back in after a cool drink at home.

508 Achilles Tang  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:50:23pm

re: #351 albusteve

no it isn’t…there us no victory in Astan, none…your logic is flawed

Would you have held off when the Taliban said “OBL is a guest in our country - piss off”?

Never mind your hindsight, although I never thought we could civilize them. I thought we would just bomb the shit out of them periodically.

509 Achilles Tang  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:53:00pm

re: #494 Rightwingconspirator

And $2.00 bullet in OBL’s head in the 1990’s would have saved us 9/11, the Patriot Act all the costs of Afghanistan and DHS…

OBL didn’t invent his creed, he just happened to be a key player at the time.


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