Standard and Poor’s Director: Talk of ‘Default’ Contributed to Downgrade

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Tea Party Republicans can shrug, dodge, divert, hem, and haw all they want, but the senior director for Standard & Poor’s left little doubt today about the reason for America’s ratings downgrade.

Without specifically mentioning Republicans, S&P senior director Joydeep Mukherji said the stability and effectiveness of American political institutions were undermined by the fact that “people in the political arena were even talking about a potential default,” Mukherji said.

“That a country even has such voices, albeit a minority, is something notable,” he added. “This kind of rhetoric is not common amongst AAA sovereigns.”

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227 comments
1 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:32:00pm

I'll be working actively against TP candidates in my own humble ways. This right leaning FisCon has had it.

2 Alexzander  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:33:01pm

Noam Chomsky except on this "Comic Opera":

The comic opera in Washington this summer, which disgusts the country and bewilders the world, may have no analogue in the annals of parliamentary democracy.

The spectacle is even coming to frighten the sponsors of the charade. Corporate power is now concerned that the extremists they helped put in office may in fact bring down the edifice on which their own wealth and privilege relies, the powerful nanny state that caters to their interests.

Corporate power's ascendancy over politics and society - by now mostly financial - has reached the point that both political organizations, which at this stage barely resemble traditional parties, are far to the right of the population on the major issues under debate.

3 Stanghazi  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:33:29pm

Joydeep Mukherji.

Sad that my comment is an immediate downer, but the Tea Baggers will probably not give anyone with that name much credence. You know, a foreign sounding elite.

4 jamesfirecat  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:38:45pm
5 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:39:08pm

Fiscal responsibility!

6 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:41:08pm

how does SP make their money?...they are paid by the very people the rate...I smell a large pile of shit

7 Off Colfax  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:41:21pm

I'm halfway tempted to change my registration to R and primary one of the Tea Party's mad hatters from the Center, just to keep them on their toes.

Unfortunately, my Rep is Duncan Hunter, who has a local popularity just to the right of Charlton Heston and Ronald Reagan.

8 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:43:44pm

This morning I read that my congress critter appreciates the work that a local idiot is doing in getting the word out about the threat that is Agenda 21. He is pandering to the lowest of his constituents. I hope the Democrats come up with a good halfway decent breathing candidate to beat him.

9 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:44:18pm

re: #7 Off Colfax

I'm halfway tempted to change my registration to R and primary one of the Tea Party's mad hatters from the Center, just to keep them on their toes.

Unfortunately, my Rep is Duncan Hunter, who has a local popularity just to the right of Charlton Heston and Ronald Reagan.

registering with a political party is the same as joining the Crips imo

10 Stanghazi  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:44:33pm

re: #7 Off Colfax

Hi Neighbor!

11 Jack Burton  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:45:12pm

re: #8 wrenchwench

Is the local idiot named Dale Gribble?

12 makeitstop  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:45:40pm

It makes me laugh to see them (with the exception of dumb ol' Michele Bachmann in the debate last night) all try to walk it back or ignore their role in the downgrade entirely.

They seem to be ignorant of the fact that the public record is a matter of, well, public record.

With that, I'm off to my Friday night gig. Everyone have a great evening!

13 Kragar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:46:22pm

Its Obama's fault.

They would never have gone down that road if he wasn't President.
/

14 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:46:31pm

re: #12 makeitstop

It makes me laugh to see them (with the exception of dumb ol' Michele Bachmann in the debate last night) all try to walk it back or ignore their role in the downgrade entirely.

They seem to be ignorant of the fact that the public record is a matter of, well, public record.

With that, I'm off to my Friday night gig. Everyone have a great evening!

rock on bro...live is where it's at

16 jamesfirecat  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:47:33pm

re: #12 makeitstop

It makes me laugh to see them (with the exception of dumb ol' Michele Bachmann in the debate last night) all try to walk it back or ignore their role in the downgrade entirely.

They seem to be ignorant of the fact that the public record is a matter of, well, public record.

With that, I'm off to my Friday night gig. Everyone have a great evening!

The internet is like the eye of Sauron, it knows all and sees all...

17 Kragar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:48:43pm

re: #15 Summer

OT:

Evangelicals Question The Existence Of Adam And Eve

Pff, what does evidence matter compared to the Bible?

18 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:48:45pm

re: #11 ArchangelMichael

Is the local idiot named Dale Gribble?

No, but he bears an uncanny resemblance.

Image: pearce2.jpg

(Picture him with a hat and a beer.)

19 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:49:51pm

re: #12 makeitstop

It makes me laugh to see them (with the exception of dumb ol' Michele Bachmann in the debate last night) all try to walk it back or ignore their role in the downgrade entirely.

They seem to be ignorant of the fact that the public record is a matter of, well, public record.

With that, I'm off to my Friday night gig. Everyone have a great evening!

I would like to see the clowns from last night in a real debate. Not some fabricated "debate show" put on by Fox News. What we need is a nationally televised debate that lasts all day and on something like the floor of the House. Regulations and debate rules to be laid out through legislation and the will of the people. Questions would be comprised from a collection gathered from members of the House and Senate. However there should be a guarantee of equal representation of questions. Right now, what we saw last night was the Exxon debate or a free-market debate that only serves the interest of the status quo and corporate interests.

20 Jack Burton  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:50:40pm

re: #18 wrenchwench

No, but he bears an uncanny resemblance.

Image: pearce2.jpg

(Picture him with a hat and a beer.)

"I say let the world warm up. We'll grow oranges in Alaska."

21 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:50:47pm

re: #18 wrenchwench

No, but he bears an uncanny resemblance.

Image: pearce2.jpg

(Picture him with a hat and a beer.)

Oops, make that the representative who bears the resemblance. I don't know what the idiot looks like.

22 Kronocide  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:50:59pm

re: #17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Pff, what does evidence matter compared to the Bible?

Teh Bible Ayuz Evidence!

23 JamesWI  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:52:45pm

re: #15 Summer

OT:

Evangelicals Question The Existence Of Adam And Eve

You mean to tell me people aren't made from dirt and ribs?

24 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:52:56pm

Tonight's Republican presidential debate is brought to you by... Massey Coal... and... Exxon... and... Lockheed-Martin.

25 Henchman 25  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:53:31pm

re: #24 Gus 802

Tonight's Republican presidential debate is brought to you by... Massey Coal... and... Exxon... and... Lockheed-Martin.

And Koch Industries.

26 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:53:54pm

re: #22 BigPapa

I've always wondered. If "the Bible is evidence" why do we have a New Testament? What happened with the old evidence? Not good enough? And how can a Bible evolve? I'm just asking questions. ;)

27 Achilles Tang  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:54:43pm

re: #1 Rightwingconspirator

I'll be working actively against TP candidates in my own humble ways. This right leaning FisCon has had it.

How do you distinguish a TP from a GOP? Just curious.

28 Kronocide  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:55:21pm

Wimmenz ayuz made frahm reeubs. Dats whydey so sweet an spy-say!

29 Kragar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:57:21pm

re: #23 JamesWI

You mean to tell me people aren't made from dirt and ribs?

MY GRANDPA WASN'T NO PILE OF DIRT!

30 Achilles Tang  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:58:09pm

re: #26 Gus 802

I've always wondered. If "the Bible is evidence" why do we have a New Testament? What happened with the old evidence? Not good enough? And how can a Bible evolve? I'm just asking questions. ;)

Good point. Dump the bible(s). The Koran is the word. It doesn't evolve.

31 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:58:31pm

off to meet Walter....this should be interesting

32 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:59:24pm

re: #30 Naso Tang

Good point. Dump the bible(s). The Koran is the word. It doesn't evolve.

Yep. That's exactly what I meant.

33 Kragar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:59:33pm

re: #26 Gus 802

I've always wondered. If "the Bible is evidence" why do we have a New Testament? What happened with the old evidence? Not good enough? And how can a Bible evolve? I'm just asking questions. ;)

Our folktales told by shepherds supersede your folktales told by shepherds

34 Stanghazi  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:59:33pm

re: #25 SteelPH

And Koch Industries.

And of course, BP.

35 Achilles Tang  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 4:59:39pm

re: #31 albusteve

off to meet Walter...this should be interesting

Tell him no down dings for a week if he comes back.

36 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:00:14pm

re: #35 Naso Tang

Tell him no down dings for a week if he comes back.

he claims he's blocked...that's all I know

37 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:02:50pm

re: #33 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Our folktales told by shepherds supersede your folktales told by shepherds

Apparently something changed and "the word of God" was in error in the original version. Which has me a bit confused since I thought He was omnipotent. "Oops! You down there! Yes you reading my Old Testament manual! I was wrong. Here are my revisions! Write them now as I speak!"

//

38 Alexzander  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:03:06pm

re: #31 albusteve

off to meet Walter...this should be interesting

Oh man give us some backstory! Ever met him before?

39 Alexzander  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:03:43pm

Ask Walter if he was "Keeper of the Books" or whatever it was on the stalker blog.

40 Kragar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:05:13pm

re: #37 Gus 802

Apparently something changed and "the word of God" was in error in the original version. Which has me a bit confused since I thought He was omnipotent. "Oops! You down there! Yes you reading my Old Testament manual! I was wrong. Here are my revisions! Write them now as I speak!"

//

"Hi, this is Brad, your Bible Help Desk service adviser. Before we begin, I need to confirm that you are using the latest up to date version of our product."

41 Henchman 25  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:05:19pm

Teabaggers act like moronic kooks, credit gets downgraded. You can't explain that!

42 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:05:51pm

re: #38 Alexzander

Oh man give us some backstory! Ever met him before?

no...but we talk and email once in a while...Walter is a very cool guy, but like some of us he had a personna here....he's outrageously smart and very laid back....just like me, only I'm really handsome and he's a dog

43 Achilles Tang  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:05:55pm

re: #15 Summer

OT:

Evangelicals Question The Existence Of Adam And Eve

People have done that for ages. Those who did/do are no longer evangelicals.

44 Kragar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:07:23pm

re: #43 Naso Tang

People have done that for ages. Those who did/do are no longer evangelicals.

HEATHENS! HERETICS!

45 Achilles Tang  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:07:31pm

re: #38 Alexzander

Oh man give us some backstory! Ever met him before?

Not that I mean this literally, but you have heard the phrase "don't kiss and tell", I presume.

46 Alexzander  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:08:00pm

re: #42 albusteve

Are you going to grab a beer and enchiladas together? I'm missing out on some family made new mexico red chilli enchiladas tonight because I'm not partaking in the massive bike ride that follows.

47 Stanghazi  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:09:47pm

re: #42 albusteve

no...but we talk and email once in a while...Walter is a very cool guy, but like some of us he had a personna here...he's outrageously smart and very laid back...just like me, only I'm really handsome and he's a dog

He was mean at the end. Just my little opinion. Tell him I said hi though!

48 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:10:14pm

re: #46 Alexzander

Are you going to grab a beer and enchiladas together? I'm missing out on some family made new mexico red chilli enchiladas tonight because I'm not partaking in the massive bike ride that follows.

That sounds like very poor planning on your part.

49 Achilles Tang  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:11:49pm

re: #44 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

HEATHENS! HERETICS!

Translation: Others (and they can't all be right, but they can all be wrong)

50 Alexzander  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:13:28pm

re: #48 wrenchwench

That sounds like very poor planning on your part.

Well, I'm not a huge fan of 10 hour bike trips, and they will be be away all weekend. I also have a friend playing in a bluegrass band tonight that I want to see, and a political bookclub on Sunday. So Its a fair trade off.

51 Alexzander  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:14:07pm

re: #48 wrenchwench

That sounds like very poor planning on your part.

Also, I should say that its not my family, but the in-laws (well, close enough, I'm not actually married).

52 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:15:07pm

re: #51 Alexzander

Also, I should say that its not my family, but the in-laws (well, close enough, I'm not actually married).

Those are out-laws.

53 Achilles Tang  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:16:05pm

BTW, anyone here know how the legal system in the UK can sentence people for offenses within days of the offense? I presume they pled guilty, but that sure is fast.

54 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:17:23pm

re: #36 albusteve

he claims he's blocked...that's all I know

He was timed out and never returned. His move.

55 prairiefire  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:25:33pm

re: #31 albusteve

off to meet Walter...this should be interesting

Tell him Prairie said "hello".

56 laZardo  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:27:08pm

So I'm back and I'm feeling like I normally do. How yall?

57 Alexzander  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:27:12pm

re: #54 Gus 802

He was timed out and never returned. His move.

Well, it says he is still having a time out. Which is to say, still blocked, no?

58 Stanghazi  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:29:02pm

re: #57 Alexzander

Well, it says he is still having a time out. Which is to say, still blocked, no?

All it takes is a sign in. Windy was timed for one day.

Gotta make the attempt if you want to.

59 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:29:06pm

re: #57 Alexzander

Well, it says he is still having a time out. Which is to say, still blocked, no?

The time out lasts 24 hours. Once the member returns after the time out that text disappears.

60 Stanghazi  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:29:53pm

re: #58 Stanley Sea

All it takes is a sign in. Windy was timed for one day.

Gotta make the attempt if you want to.

AND this has been s aid, repeated and regurgitated for month. Walter is a curmudgeon.

61 laZardo  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:31:30pm

re: #58 Stanley Sea

All it takes is a sign in. Windy was timed for one day.

Gotta make the attempt if you want to.

For what, if I may ask?

62 Achilles Tang  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:31:35pm

re: #60 Stanley Sea

AND this has been s aid, repeated and regurgitated for month. Walter is a curmudgeon.

Yes, but we need a few around.

63 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:32:16pm

re: #56 laZardo

So I'm back and I'm feeling like I normally do. How yall?

I need a nap but can't nap. Good times.

64 Stanghazi  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:35:18pm

re: #61 laZardo

For what, if I may ask?

I'll leave that up to him.

re: #62 Naso Tang

Yes, but we need a few around.

Oh absolutely.

65 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:36:19pm

left little doubt today about the reason

i don't know what it would take to make wingnuts acknowledge inconvenient facts anymore

they have developed awesome powers of ignorance

66 prairiefire  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:37:49pm

re: #65 engineer dog

They are living in their American parallel universe. It's the price to be paid for our freedoms.

67 Stanghazi  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:38:05pm

re: #65 engineer dog

left little doubt today about the reason

i don't know what it would take to make wingnuts acknowledge inconvenient facts anymore

they have developed awesome powers of ignorance

No, they flat out lie.

I'm so disgusted by the lack of "gotcha" of the lie in the process. This is where the press is failing us badly. Sorry Newtie.

68 windsagio  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:40:59pm

re: #67 Stanley Sea

There's no money in it.

also, random quote:

As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last loose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.


-- Commissioner Pravin Lal, "Librarian's Preface"

69 prairiefire  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:42:27pm

Happy Friday, lizards.

70 Stanghazi  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:45:58pm

re: #68 windsagio

There's no money in it.

also, random quote:

Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.

-- Commissioner Pravin Lal, "Librarian's Preface"

I'm reading on a ACLU twitter feed that they cut all cell communications in SF for some Bart protest/event >>

71 Stanghazi  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:46:57pm

re: #70 Stanley Sea

-- Commissioner Pravin Lal, "Librarian's Preface"

I'm reading on a ACLU twitter feed that they cut all cell communications in SF for some Bart protest/event >>

Just tweeted from Gawker

[Link: gawker.com...]

72 windsagio  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:47:24pm

re: #70 Stanley Sea

I'm reading on a ACLU twitter feed that they cut all cell communications in SF for some Bart protest/event >>

that's what makes it terrifying. Scifi bit written for a game in the late '90s, and its become absolutely true.

73 Interesting Times  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:48:06pm

re: #68 windsagio

Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.

Ham-fisted denial of access to information (à la North Korea, Syria, etc) is one thing, but what the Koch-Scaife-Fox-Limbaugh cartel has accomplished is, in a way, far more sinister: convincing people to willingly deny access to information for themselves.

74 windsagio  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:48:22pm

SS; its funny, I actually wasn't hugely behind that protest, I think they're going about it wrong, but... now I'm totally on the protesters side again :p

Fuck the Police.

75 bratwurst  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:48:55pm

re: #69 prairiefire

Happy Friday, lizards.

Eh, not SO happy here...just lost my job!

76 windsagio  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:49:39pm

re: #73 publicityStunted

haha thats a thing they missed. Corporations are more dangerous in a 'free' nation than the government can reasonably get.

Brat: damn sucks. Sorry to hear it :(

77 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:50:17pm

re: #75 bratwurst

Eh, not SO happy here...just lost my job!

What happened?

78 Stanghazi  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:50:17pm

re: #74 windsagio

SS; its funny, I actually wasn't hugely behind that protest, I think they're going about it wrong, but... now I'm totally on the protesters side again :p

Fuck the Police.

I just paged it. I LOVE Gawker's take (even though the situ sucks)

It's not just the London police and Middle East dictators who try to curb unrest by clamping down on communications networks. According to reports, police in San Francisco are jamming cell phones to head off protesters.

79 Stanghazi  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:50:35pm

re: #75 bratwurst

Eh, not SO happy here...just lost my job!

wha?

80 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:51:18pm

re: #72 windsagio

that's what makes it terrifying. Scifi bit written for a game in the late '90s, and its become absolutely true.

Don't worry. They only do that for safety reasons. Rest assured that if we ever fell under the rule of a tyrannical state the authorities would keep the lines of communication open.

//

81 windsagio  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:53:17pm

lets not forget that they'll still arrest your ass for taking a picture or recording of a cop in Mass.

I'm sure gus is right tho', its only for our own good!

82 prairiefire  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:53:38pm

re: #75 bratwurst

Damn!

83 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:53:45pm

Don't worry. The Patriot Act only applies to terrorism.

//

84 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:53:47pm

re: #75 bratwurst

Eh, not SO happy here...just lost my job!

Oh no. Damn. Layoff?

85 Atlas Fails  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:54:06pm

But Obama's the one who threatened default! We just wanted to make the gubmint stop payin' teh welfares and keep their grubby hands off our Medicare!

86 bratwurst  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:54:51pm

Basically, I and another teacher got scapegoated for the awful mismanagement of a language school. To be fair, I had let it be known that I was looking elsewhere. Even so, I would never ever had left even this institute of dubious repute with less than 2 weeks notice. As a reward for 15 months of hard work, I got told at the end of the day that I didn't need to come back on Monday...a classic case of "fuck others before they have a chance to fuck you".

87 Alexzander  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:55:39pm

FUCK THE POLICE!!
//
But honestly, this BART situation sets a horrible precedent. I had people on my twitter feed mentioning that they couldn't use their cell phones on the BART this morning but they didn't know it was an anti-protest measure.

88 windsagio  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:56:05pm

re: #86 bratwurst

its pretty classic, 'employment is at will for both parties, but good luck getting a job if you don't give notice. We on the other hand don't have to care!'

89 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:57:29pm

re: #88 windsagio

its pretty classic, 'employment is at will for both parties, but good luck getting a job if you don't give notice. We on the other hand don't have to care!'

If all men are "created equal" and corporations are people, or men, does that mean I'm equal to Exxon?

//

90 Stanghazi  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:58:25pm

Update: According to a BART statement, police didn't technically "jam" cell phones. They asked wireless providers to turn off their signal in the station.

And the Corps said, SURE! WE'LL DO IT!

91 windsagio  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:58:34pm

re: #87 Alexzander

the protest was gonna be an unpopular and kind of meaningless one anyways (disrupting commutes doesn't go over well), but getting all fascist over a protest against police brutality is just making the point more clear.

Also, who knew they could DO that? Or maybe the cel providers are just cowards.

92 Alexzander  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:59:04pm

re: #89 Gus 802

You know, the whole 'corporations are people' situation is so absurd it makes me think we are all a bunch of dumb fucks for allowing it.

93 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:59:07pm

re: #90 Stanley Sea

Update: According to a BART statement, police didn't technically "jam" cell phones. They asked wireless providers to turn off their signal in the station.

And the Corps said, SURE! WE'LL DO IT!

Jump! Sounds like the Patriot Act to me.

94 windsagio  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 5:59:23pm

re: #89 Gus 802

God forbid :p

re: #90 Stanley Sea

So its the latter. Goddamn they sell out their customers quick.

95 Alexzander  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:00:27pm

re: #91 windsagio

the protest was gonna be an unpopular and kind of meaningless one anyways (disrupting commutes doesn't go over well), but getting all fascist over a protest against police brutality is just making the point more clear.

Also, who knew they could DO that? Or maybe the cel providers are just cowards.

Exactly. This is a far more galvanizing move than any protest could be. Absolutely true about protests that disrupt commutes - alienates potential supporters. But now you have the hacker community, anonymous, libertarians, anarchists and other copwatch groups all together.

96 laZardo  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:00:40pm

re: #94 windsagio

God forbid :p

re: #90 Stanley Sea

So its the latter. Goddamn they sell out their customers quick.

BART's just a precedent for the Tube.

97 bratwurst  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:00:53pm

re: #88 windsagio

its pretty classic, 'employment is at will for both parties, but good luck getting a job if you don't give notice. We on the other hand don't have to care!'

That's it. I really dislike these people and they really dislike me...but I would NEVER EVER have told them on Friday I wouldn't be coming back. Oh well, I have a few hours of private lessons (that I should be able to add to once the school year is back in full swing) and a spot of translating here and there as well...no danger of going hungry or anything like that. It is inevitable I will wind up with something better one way or another, even if it takes a while.

98 windsagio  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:02:07pm

re: #96 laZardo

good thought; I've been kind of out of the news for a week, but have they started turning cell towers off in the UK yet?

99 Interesting Times  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:02:41pm

re: #96 laZardo

OT: left a comment on this page that may help you feel a little less depressed.

100 Achilles Tang  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:02:45pm

re: #68 windsagio

There's no money in it.

also, random quote:


-- Commissioner Pravin Lal, "Librarian's Preface"

There is an easier way to achieve the same end. Don't teach people to want information.

George Orwell (as I imagine he said)

101 Gus  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:02:50pm

re: #94 windsagio

God forbid :p

re: #90 Stanley Sea

So its the latter. Goddamn they sell out their customers quick.

In today's America, Paul Revere would have been arrested. There's an irony there somewhere.

102 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:03:24pm

re: #91 windsagio

Did they just kill cell service on the platforms or all over town?

103 windsagio  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:05:19pm

re: #102 Rightwingconspirator

have to ask SS, sounds like they just turned the towers off at the stations and maybe along the line.

This is of course hurting innocent people along the line, but fuck them.... right?

104 laZardo  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:05:20pm

re: #99 publicityStunted

OT: left a comment on this page that may help you feel a little less depressed.

Try harder.

105 Atlas Fails  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:05:21pm

re: #97 bratwurst

That's it. I really dislike these people and they really dislike me...but I would NEVER EVER have told them on Friday I wouldn't be coming back. Oh well, I have a few hours of private lessons (that I should be able to add to once the school year is back in full swing) and a spot of translating here and there as well...no danger of going hungry or anything like that. It is inevitable I will wind up with something better one way or another, even if it takes a while.


It sucks you have no real recourse against those assholes. Hopefully it turns out to be a blessing in disguise. Learning another language is impossibly difficult, so anyone capable of attaining fluency like you obviously have must be a pretty smart cookie.

106 Atlas Fails  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:07:13pm

Sarah Palin and Sean Hannity at the Iowa state fair? Look out Iowans, you might get sucked up by a black hole of dumbfuckery!

107 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:07:18pm

Did George Soros do it? Since everything that makes the right look bad is his doing or so I am told.

108 Alexzander  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:10:53pm

Part 1 of an epic speech by a West-Indian Brit from Calpham Junction on the Riots:

109 Alexzander  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:11:08pm

And Part 2:

110 Achilles Tang  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:11:34pm

re: #92 Alexzander

You know, the whole 'corporations are people' situation is so absurd it makes me think we are all a bunch of dumb fucks for allowing it.

If corporations are people what is government, and what is this shit about individuals?

111 Interesting Times  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:11:54pm

Has anyone else encountered what may be a bug in the Pages? Normally, to reverse a ding, you just click the opposite button (i.e. to reverse a downding, click +, to reverse an upding, click -). This works fine for comments, but now, when I try to reverse an upding for a Page, it turns it into a downding.

112 laZardo  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:12:51pm

re: #111 publicityStunted

Has anyone else encountered what may be a bug in the Pages? Normally, to reverse a ding, you just click the opposite button (i.e. to reverse a downding, click +, to reverse an upding, click -). This works fine for comments, but now, when I try to reverse an upding for a Page, it turns it into a downding.

Nope, working fine for me.

113 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:13:01pm

re: #111 publicityStunted

Yup I have had that trouble.

114 Alexzander  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:13:24pm

re: #110 Naso Tang

If corporations are people what is government, and what is this shit about individuals?

Its like the 'corporations are people' meme is a perverse toxic mimic of the healthy aspects of collectivism.
Out of many, One.

115 prairiefire  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:14:18pm

re: #90 Stanley Sea

I think there will be a precedent established "for the greater good" of the public airwaves. Meaning, the establishment will be 100% against spreading the threat of violence. This action has been influenced by the violent situation in the UK.

116 Achilles Tang  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:14:41pm

re: #114 Alexzander

Its like the 'corporations are people' meme is a perverse toxic mimic of the healthy aspects of collectivism.
Out of many, One.

Sounds like communism to me.

117 Atlas Fails  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:15:16pm

Palin: "Cut the crap and balance!"

I smell a new wingnut catchphrase! "Lamestream media" was getting old and "gotcha question" was used by Newt who, as we all know, turns everything he touches to shit.

118 prairiefire  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:15:16pm

re: #91 windsagio

The cel providers are cowards. And Capitalists.

119 Achilles Tang  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:15:45pm

re: #111 publicityStunted

Has anyone else encountered what may be a bug in the Pages? Normally, to reverse a ding, you just click the opposite button (i.e. to reverse a downding, click +, to reverse an upding, click -). This works fine for comments, but now, when I try to reverse an upding for a Page, it turns it into a downding.

Talk to the man.

120 windsagio  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:16:04pm

re: #115 prairiefire

excepting there's absolutely no sign of violence here, only some obnoxious inconvenience.

To wax a little anarchic, I think we've had the wrong direction for 'the airwaves are public property' for at least the last 70 years.

121 Stephen T.  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:17:12pm

re: #19 Gus 802

I would like to see the clowns from last night in a real debate. Not some fabricated "debate show" put on by Fox News. What we need is a nationally televised debate that lasts all day and on something like the floor of the House. Regulations and debate rules to be laid out through legislation and the will of the people. Questions would be comprised from a collection gathered from members of the House and Senate. However there should be a guarantee of equal representation of questions. Right now, what we saw last night was the Exxon debate or a free-market debate that only serves the interest of the status quo and corporate interests.

What I want to see is a debate in which the candidates present are only able to answer a question with a "yes" or a "no". No speeches, no double talk, no weasel words. Just a "Yes" or "No". Entire campaigns would come to a screeching halt with just one wrong answer.

122 bratwurst  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:17:33pm

re: #105 Atlas Fails

It sucks you have no real recourse against those assholes. Hopefully it turns out to be a blessing in disguise. Learning another language is impossibly difficult, so anyone capable of attaining fluency like you obviously have must be a pretty smart cookie.

Not the first or last time a language teacher has been jerked around. While I will cop to being smarter than the average sausage, my linguistic ability stems almost exclusively from residing abroad and being forced to learn in order to accomplish mundane tasks like getting a haircut. A single bad experience with a hairdresser with whom one does not share a common language has a way of motivating you!

123 Achilles Tang  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:17:36pm

re: #120 windsagio

excepting there's absolutely no sign of violence here, only some obnoxious inconvenience.

To wax a little anarchic, I think we've had the wrong direction for 'the airwaves are public property' for at least the last 70 years.

What do you define as obnoxious inconvenience, outside the norm?

124 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:18:19pm

re: #103 windsagio

have to ask SS, sounds like they just turned the towers off at the stations and maybe along the line.

This is of course hurting innocent people along the line, but fuck them... right?

It's far less than the trouble the anarchists caused for everyone at the LA DNC some years ago. And the attitude from those protesters was fuck everybody. The police, the locals, anyone not rampaging with them. If bart was in for the same I have mixed feelings. Cell phones are important. Keeping violence at bay is more important.

BTW-I gotta watch my own emotions here tonight I have gotten some awful news about my former foster daughter. Calm is essential, calm is clarity.

125 windsagio  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:18:19pm

re: #123 Naso Tang

People being unable to get to work because the transit system is jammed up with protesters.

126 Stanghazi  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:18:21pm

re: #108 Alexzander

Part 1 of an epic speech by a West-Indian Brit from Calpham Junction on the Riots:

[Video]

wow, good find.

127 Kragar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:19:09pm

re: #121 Scarecrow237

What I want to see is a debate in which the candidates present are only able to answer a question with a "yes" or a "no". No speeches, no double talk, no weasel words. Just a "Yes" or "No". Entire campaigns would come to a screeching halt with just one wrong answer.

"You signed a pledge written by a group who said Blacks were better off under slavery. Do you agree with that statement?"

Gotcha.

128 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:20:50pm

re: #127 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"You signed a pledge written by a group who said Blacks were better off under slavery. Do you agree with that statement?"

Gotcha.

Which group was this, I heard about this but I don't know too much what group it was.

129 Achilles Tang  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:20:59pm

re: #125 windsagio

People being unable to get to work because the transit system is jammed up with protesters.

So, how does that change due to no tweeting? Or, how could it be worse with the assholes being able to organize?

130 Achilles Tang  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:22:36pm

re: #121 Scarecrow237

What I want to see is a debate in which the candidates present are only able to answer a question with a "yes" or a "no". No speeches, no double talk, no weasel words. Just a "Yes" or "No". Entire campaigns would come to a screeching halt with just one wrong answer.

I want to see many things too, but they are too silly to put in print.

131 windsagio  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:24:21pm

re: #129 Naso Tang

Ask the police :p I presume timing and which station to hit, because they need it to be a surprise or the BARTcops can take countermeasures

132 Kragar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:25:01pm

re: #128 HappyWarrior

Which group was this, I heard about this but I don't know too much what group it was.


Iowa Marriage Pledge Drops Reference To Slavery

An Iowa-based conservative Christian organization has removed controversial language about slavery from a pledge to uphold traditional marriage that the group has asked GOP candidates to sign.

The Family Leader's "Marriage Vow" originally included language in its preamble that implied that black children had better family conditions during slavery than today.

"Slavery had a disastrous impact on African-American families, yet sadly a child born into slavery in 1860 was more likely to be raised by his mother and father in a two-parent household than was an African-American baby born after the election of the USA's first African-American president," the statement read, according to Fox News.

133 austin_blue  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:28:16pm

re: #132 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Iowa Marriage Pledge Drops Reference To Slavery

Well, that's *so* much better.

134 Achilles Tang  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:28:45pm

re: #131 windsagio

Ask the police :p I presume timing and which station to hit, because they need it to be a surprise or the BARTcops can take countermeasures

I think there is a real UK copycat potential here, assuming at least 10% of these goons actually watch any news.

135 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:29:45pm

re: #132 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Iowa Marriage Pledge Drops Reference To Slavery

They're only dropping it because of the scrutiny.

136 windsagio  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:30:13pm

re: #134 Naso Tang

the UK deal is on a scale where it almost doesn't matter, I think they're self-sustaining now, cutting cell access only hurts organization.

137 Kragar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:30:41pm
138 prairiefire  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:30:43pm

re: #124 Rightwingconspirator

I'm sorry, it sounds like her legal issues are not good.

139 austin_blue  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:31:22pm

re: #124 Rightwingconspirator

It's far less than the trouble the anarchists caused for everyone at the LA DNC some years ago. And the attitude from those protesters was fuck everybody. The police, the locals, anyone not rampaging with them. If bart was in for the same I have mixed feelings. Cell phones are important. Keeping violence at bay is more important.

BTW-I gotta watch my own emotions here tonight I have gotten some awful news about my former foster daughter. Calm is essential, calm is clarity.

Oh, shit. Hang tough, my man.

{{RWC}}

140 windsagio  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:31:47pm

re: #137 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

One ofthe things that just really pisses me off is how 'social values' stuff got mixed in with neoconfederate assholery.

141 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:32:00pm

It's funny how these candidates who pride themselves on loving the 10th amendment totally ignore it when it comes to gay marriage.

142 prairiefire  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:32:14pm

re: #134 Naso Tang

I think there is a real UK copycat potential here, assuming at least 10% of these goons actually watch any news.

Goons? On which side?

143 Henchman 25  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:32:43pm

re: #141 HappyWarrior

It's funny how these candidates who pride themselves on loving the 10th amendment totally ignore it when it comes to gay marriage.

Ignoring inconvenient facts is par for the course.

144 prairiefire  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:33:09pm

re: #136 windsagio

the UK deal is on a scale where it almost doesn't matter, I think they're self-sustaining now, cutting cell access only hurts organization.

The organization is key to a mob.

145 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:33:39pm

re: #143 SteelPH

Ignoring inconvenient facts is par for the course.

True that.

146 windsagio  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:34:00pm

Here's the solution

147 Achilles Tang  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:34:02pm
148 austin_blue  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:34:18pm

re: #144 prairiefire

The organization is key to a mob.

Is a mob a mob if it's organized?

Just askin'.

150 Achilles Tang  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:35:40pm

re: #136 windsagio

the UK deal is on a scale where it almost doesn't matter, I think they're self-sustaining now, cutting cell access only hurts organization.

Who's organization? I presume you mean that thugs don't need to encourage each other and organize? You are wrong.

151 windsagio  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:37:08pm

re: #150 Naso Tang

umm

Yes, the harlem and watts riots were totally dependant on organization, especially by cell phone.

152 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:37:47pm

OT: I just posted a page on Religion and Tolerance. [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

153 austin_blue  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:38:17pm

re: #147 Naso Tang

OT

This is not something I would have done in my drunkest stupor

That's as *nasty* as a Honeybadger!

154 prairiefire  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:38:29pm

re: #148 austin_blue

Is a mob a mob if it's organized?

Just askin'.

Good question. I think a mob gains strength in numbers by "getting the word out" in what ever is the quickest manor. The more numbers in a mob, the more strength it has.

155 Achilles Tang  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:39:35pm

re: #149 windsagio

[Video]

Damn you are fast, or full of strange stuff.

156 windsagio  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:40:36pm

re: #155 Naso Tang

haha, memorable episode

157 prairiefire  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:40:41pm

"Flash mobs" a concern in Kansas City:[Link: www.tonyskansascity.com...]

158 prairiefire  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:41:46pm

"Flash mob event may have led to Plaza Melee":[Link: www.kmbc.com...]

159 Alexzander  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:41:59pm

re: #155 Naso Tang

Damn you are fast, or full of strange stuff.

You dont watch The Boondocks?

160 austin_blue  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:42:17pm

Okay, going next door. It's Planet of the Apes bad movie night! Twenty neighbors, beer, wine, popcorn, Dots and Milk Duds.

Should be fun, if hot as a rocket.

BBIAW.

161 Achilles Tang  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:42:22pm

re: #151 windsagio

umm

Yes, the harlem and watts riots were totally dependant on organization, especially by cell phone.

I don't suggest it is the sole method, just that it can make it many times easier.

162 Achilles Tang  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:43:36pm

re: #159 Alexzander

You dont watch The Boondocks?

No, I spend too much (free) time on LGF, although I do have persuasion for South Park.

163 Interesting Times  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:43:53pm

re: #147 Naso Tang

This is not something I would have done in my drunkest stupor

If fetish categories are anything to go by, this kind of thing ought to be classified as sexual assault. And on a child, no less.

Too bad the fucker won't face any criminal charges. If I were to design a "poetic justice" punishment, it would probably involve forcing this creature to re-enact Bear Grylls survivalist techniques.

164 windsagio  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:44:09pm

re: #159 Alexzander

165 Alexzander  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:44:10pm

re: #160 austin_blue

Okay, going next door. It's Planet of the Apes bad movie night! Twenty neighbors, beer, wine, popcorn, Dots and Milk Duds.

Should be fun, if hot as a rocket.

BBIAW.

Sounds like a great community event! Have fun!

166 prairiefire  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:44:31pm

re: #161 Naso Tang

I don't suggest it is the sole method, just that it can make it many times easier.

There was not the social network available for events prior to 2 years or so ago..

167 windsagio  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:44:58pm

re: #161 Naso Tang

there's a critical mass thing. If enough people are angry and know the thing is going down, that's all that matters.

"Protests" take more organization.

168 Alexzander  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:45:12pm

re: #164 windsagio

Seen the Afro Samurai movie? Actually I'm sure you have.

169 Achilles Tang  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:45:35pm

re: #163 publicityStunted

If fetish categories are anything to go by, this kind of thing ought to be classified as sexual assault. And on a child, no less.

Too bad the fucker won't face any criminal charges. If I were to design a "poetic justice" punishment, it would probably involve forcing this creature to re-enact Bear Grylls survivalist techniques.

Wealthy parents. You know how that goes./

170 windsagio  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:46:50pm

re: #168 Alexzander

I actually haven't seen all of it. Seen a ton of 'parts' tho' >

171 Interesting Times  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:48:49pm

re: #153 austin_blue

That's as *nasty* as a Honeybadger!

Honeybadger has far more dignity and class.

Honeybadger > Douchey, spoiled, over-privileged rich kids.

172 jvic  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:49:20pm

re: #148 austin_blue

Is a mob a mob if it's organized?

Just askin'.

It's a good question. Random thoughts, just babblin':

1. A mob can be incited or arise spontaneously. A spontaneous mob can acquire leaders.

2. A mob is inherently unstable. It may dissipate before or after acting out; or it may be turned into an organization or mass movement.

3. There is a term called "emergence" or "emergent order" that might describe the process of (self-)organization. I don't know the details, but iirc Wikipedia has an interesting piece on it.

4. Your question is the kind of thing we should be, but probably aren't, studying as we confront predatory foreign and domestic extremism.

173 Achilles Tang  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:51:10pm

re: #167 windsagio

there's a critical mass thing. If enough people are angry and know the thing is going down, that's all that matters.

"Protests" take more organization.

There are always angry people; particularly at their mothers and their unknown fathers and their unknown father.

174 Alexzander  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:52:40pm

re: #172 jvic

Dont worry - the US government has studied mob behaviour extensively. Just today there was a lot of discussion on US military response to mob-like behaviour in the US, as a recent planning document was leaked.

175 Alexzander  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:53:11pm

Alright, I'm heading down the street to see my friend's bluegrass band. Back in an hour or so.

176 Stanghazi  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:56:12pm

Oh boy, Curious Lurkers recent page

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

177 laZardo  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:57:35pm

re: #168 Alexzander

Black Dynamite was better. ;p

178 Achilles Tang  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:57:42pm

re: #172 jvic

It's a good question. Random thoughts, just babblin':

1. A mob can be incited or arise spontaneously. A spontaneous mob can acquire leaders.

2. A mob is inherently unstable. It may dissipate before or after acting out; or it may be turned into an organization or mass movement.

3. There is a term called "emergence" or "emergent order" that might describe the process of (self-)organization. I don't know the details, but iirc Wikipedia has an interesting piece on it.

4. Your question is the kind of thing we should be, but probably aren't, studying as we confront predatory foreign and domestic extremism.

I think there is a concept called "Group Think". It can apply to many situation, like the TGOP, but I believe also to thuggery and riots.

The closest personal experience I have is the feeling that exists, however briefly, when there is no law, no police, no restraint and the thought that anything is allowed. I maintained my restraints, but I recall the feeling in Kuwait days after the first Gulf War ended. I was there as a civilian, not military.

179 Achilles Tang  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 6:59:11pm

re: #167 windsagio

there's a critical mass thing. If enough people are angry and know the thing is going down, that's all that matters.

"Protests" take more organization.

You really don't understand.

180 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:00:05pm

re: #138 prairiefire

Thanks for remembering. Unusual on the 'net. She has lost custody of the kids, and is in a tough living situation. We can only help a little. She is thirty something, yet we want to help like in her teens...

181 Kragar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:01:44pm

re: #177 laZardo

Black Dynamite was better. ;p

Now, with his own animated series

[Link: video.adultswim.com...]

182 windsagio  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:03:24pm

re: #179 Naso Tang

yes its totally me;

183 prairiefire  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:05:16pm

re: #180 Rightwingconspirator

{{RWC & Dragon Lady}} Lizards are lizards.

184 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:05:52pm

re: #2 Alexzander

Noam Chomsky except on this "Comic Opera":

Chonsky is a left-wing loon. His words are unworthy of listening to on political matters (linguistics is another matter).

185 laZardo  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:06:33pm

re: #181 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Okay, now I'm not depressed. :D

186 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:11:16pm

re: #173 Naso Tang

There are always angry people; particularly at their mothers and their unknown fathers and their unknown father.

Why the downdings, folks? The mayor of Philadelphia himself just laid the blame for some of this lawlessness on the absence of fathers. It's not really controversial that a child is better with two parents. Tommy has two mommies can work out OK, but Tommy having only 1 means he faces a much harder road.

187 windsagio  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:16:00pm

re: #186 Dark_Falcon

OHH THE MAYOR SAID IT!

The post has some unpleasant subtexts that I'm sure naso didn't even think of, but are still there.

Especially when the marriage pledge thing has just been mentioned.

188 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:22:00pm

re: #187 windsagio

OHH THE MAYOR SAID IT!

The post has some unpleasant subtexts that I'm sure naso didn't even think of, but are still there.

Especially when the marriage pledge thing has just been mentioned.

Explain. BTW, Rich Lowery of National Review posted the speech here. Read it for yourself.

189 Achilles Tang  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:22:04pm

re: #186 Dark_Falcon

It's one of those PC things that can only be phrased just so, and just in some situations, with paragraphs of context explanation, every time the issue is broached.

What can I say?

190 laZardo  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:23:19pm
191 Achilles Tang  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:23:40pm

re: #187 windsagio

OHH THE MAYOR SAID IT!

The post has some unpleasant subtexts that I'm sure naso didn't even think of, but are still there.

Don't give me that crap. Did we just meet today?

192 jvic  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:30:59pm

re: #189 Naso Tang

It's one of those PC things that can only be phrased just so, and just in some situations, with paragraphs of context explanation, every time the issue is broached.

What can I say?

What can you say?

I've been saving this for the next time I get hit by a flash mob here, but I'll lend it to you:

Downding and be damned.

(HT: Arthur Wellesley, Duke of Wellington)

193 Achilles Tang  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:33:31pm

re: #192 jvic

I don't want to be damned, which is why I don't down-d, but I do find it a useful tool to judge others.

BBT

194 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:36:46pm

re: #27 Naso Tang

How do you distinguish a TP from a GOP? Just curious.

Sorry I missed that earlier
Essentially the moderates, mostly at the state level and in the senate. Quite subjectively of course.

195 laZardo  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 7:39:13pm
196 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:16:57pm

Excuse me while I test something...

197 Stanghazi  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:17:56pm

yeah, you are testing. I've posted like 3, nothing but hamsters.

198 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:19:28pm

Testing again...

199 Kragar  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:20:37pm

James O'Keefe's Medicaid Sting Is Still A Fraud

The latest video shows two women, identified as Medicaid workers in Maine, counseling a man who calls himself "Ted Ceanneidigh" (get it?), who claims to be an Irish fisherman, and who says he imports pharmaceuticals on a boat called The Bob Marley. O'Keefe claims that a Medicaid worker "coaches [Ted] by saying, 'If you can't prove income, you don't have income,'" which O'Keefe claims is evidence of Medicaid fraud and "government workers willing to aid people with criminal backgrounds."

In fact, the woman O'Keefe has accused of helping hide income and assets simply advised an applicant that he doesn't have to declare income if he doesn't earn any income, and she recruited a more senior colleague to answer more complex questions about income eligibility. That counselor, who identifies herself as Diane, aggressively questioned "Ted" about his sources of income and told him that he will be required to report that he has access to an account that is in his parents' name.

200 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:21:14pm
201 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:28:00pm

Posting comments was broken for a few minutes... working now.

202 JAFO  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:30:06pm

I was wondering why it got so quiet.

203 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:32:46pm

re: #202 mracb

It always works out, often with some nice shiny new feature.

204 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:43:57pm

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

Explain. BTW, Rich Lowery of National Review posted the speech here. Read it for yourself.

I just finished the speech. Here's the last paragraph (Bear in mind Mayor Nutters is black):

If you want all of us — black, white, or any other color — if you want us to respect you, if you want us to look at you in a different way, if you want us not to be afraid to walk down the same side of the street with you, if you want folks not to jump out of the elevator when you get on, if you want folks to stop following you around in stores when you’re out shopping, if you want somebody to offer you a job or an internship somewhere, if you don’t want folks to be looking in or trying to go in a different direction when they see two or twenty of you coming down the street, then stop acting like idiots and fools, out in the streets of the city of Philadelphia. Just cut it out. And another thing. Take those doggone hoodies down, especially in the summer. Pull your pants up and buy a belt, because no one wants to see your underwear or the crack of your butt. Nobody. Buy a belt. Buy a belt. Nobody wants to see your underwear. Comb your hair. And get some grooming skills. Comb your hair. Running round here with your hair all over the place. Learn some manners. Keep your butt in school, graduate from high school, go on to college so you can go and make something of yourself and be a good citizen, here in this city. And why don’t you work on extending your English vocabulary. Extend your English vocabulary beyond the few curse words that you know, some other grunts and grumbles and other things that none of us can understand what you’re saying. And if you go to look for a job, don’t go blame it on the white folks, or anybody else. If you walk in somebody’s office with your hair uncombed and a pick in the back and your shoes untied and your pants half down, tattoos up and down your arm, on your face, on your neck, and you wonder why somebody won’t hire you. They don’t hire you because you look like you’re crazy. That’s why they’re not hiring you.

So, you do those things, and act like you got some sense, and you’d be surprised what opportunities will open up to you. That’s what was on my mind. That’s all I’ve got to say.

205 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:45:38pm

re: #199 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

James O'Keefe's Medicaid Sting Is Still A Fraud

No surprise. But some on the right may still beclown themselves trying to use O'Keefe's latest bit of BS. O'Keefe needs to be ignored, then he needs to grow up and get a job.

206 lostlakehiker  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:50:18pm

If it were not for the debt itself, there would have been no possibility of a downgrade. The fatuous talk of welcoming or tolerating a default was of course a contributing factor, but the fact of a debt that has got to where it will be difficult to discharge it without monetizing it is another contributing factor.

Responsibility for the talk rests with the TP-R's. Responsibility for the underlying, and serious, level of debt rests with both parties.

207 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:50:27pm

re: #205 Dark_Falcon

No surprise. But some on the right may still beclown themselves trying to use O'Keefe's latest bit of BS. O'Keefe needs to be ignored, then he needs to grow up and get a job.

it's hard not to think that this type of exposure fuels his agenda...but ignoring him is not in the LGF DNA

208 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:52:50pm

re: #207 albusteve

it's hard not to think that this type of exposure fuels his agenda...but ignoring him is not in the LGF DNA

It's just that his kind fraud screams for and often requires refutation. I'd like to ignore him, but the danger in doing so is that you allow his lies to establish themselves as an internet meme. Once they exist for a while as a meme like that, you can't really be rid of them.

209 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:53:02pm

re: #207 albusteve

it's hard not to think that this type of exposure fuels his agenda...but ignoring him is not in the LGF DNA

Are you back from meeting Walter?

210 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:53:25pm

re: #209 reine.de.tout

Are you back from meeting Walter?

re: #209 reine.de.tout

Are you back from meeting Walter?

yes

211 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:53:48pm

re: #209 reine.de.tout

Hope all is well with you?
*waves*

212 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:54:34pm

re: #210 albusteve

re: #209 reine.de.tout

yes

Show us on the doll where he touched you.

213 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:55:49pm

re: #212 negativ

Show us on the doll where he touched you.

SMACK!

214 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:57:32pm

re: #211 Floral Giraffe

Hope all is well with you?
*waves*

Hey, Flo, how ya doing?

215 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:57:54pm

re: #214 reine.de.tout

Peachy, and you?

216 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:58:39pm

re: #215 Floral Giraffe

Peachy, and you?

Fine & Dandy.

Have the house all to myself. Daughter has moved into an apt. I thought it would take a day. Silly me.

217 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:59:05pm

re: #216 reine.de.tout

LOL!
She'll never be really gone, you know!

218 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:01:46pm

re: #217 Floral Giraffe

LOL!
She'll never be really gone, you know!

I know.
She came home today for a bit. 's OK with me.

219 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:02:20pm

gotta run.
See you good folks another time.

220 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:03:22pm

re: #217 Floral Giraffe

LOL!
She'll never be really gone, you know!

Hi, Floral! How's the weekend looking? Mine's looking reasonable busy.

221 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:03:33pm

re: #218 reine.de.tout

I know.
She came home today for a bit. 's OK with me.

here's to you...
cheers

222 albusteve  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:06:36pm

deader than a doornail

223 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:13:02pm

I'm fading. Goodnight, all.

224 Kronocide  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:18:53pm

More reality TV that isn't based in reality. It's my business so at least I'm licensed to scoff and ridicule. It's a pretty major home theater retrofit done in 3 days, which would probably take 4 weeks.

What is it with the over emoting and excessive hand waving with these reality show hosts? Are they coached to do that?

225 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:33:59pm

re: #220 Dark_Falcon

How are you feeling?
Better, I hope?

226 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:37:41pm

Testing again...

227 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:51:17pm

re: #226 Charles

Testing again...

Improving the site, is appreciated!
THANKS!


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