Fox News Commenters Respond to Somalia Story with Deluge of Racism

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Yesterday someone emailed a link to a Fox News article, with a note saying that I wouldn’t believe the vile comments being posted by the Fox audience. The link: UN Says Cholera Epidemic in Somalia.

You’ll notice that today, all the comments for this article have been removed — all of them. But I saved a web archive of the page, suspecting that it might go missing. Notice that many of these comments received numerous “likes” from other readers.

Without further ado, the Fox News audience reacts to news of a cholera epidemic in Somalia (warning: racist slurs):

drigman 6 hours ago

whats worth saving?

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cerpas 8 hours ago

Cant help…every country that has tried has lost people to the criminals there…So..let them starve to death…let the all die…slow…painful…death

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gordenkall 15 hours ago

UN says they need more muny for themselves….I mean for the poor prolific breeders

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fraudbandcash 17 hours ago

Seems like God is punishing the whole lot of these SAVAGES!!!!!

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wanderingroman 18 hours ago

Somalia sure doesn’t have much going for themselves.

They’re Mus lim
They’re starving
A Cholera epidemic is right around the corner.
They have Diarrhea
They’re Mus lim
And let’s not forget the despicable Pirates.

No matter what type aid we send them, it seems to never get in the right person’s hand. Then again if they did receive food for a couple of months, they’d  gain their strength back and just make more babies.

Sometimes you just need to let nature run its course and I think this is one of those times.

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jimmyo 19 hours ago

If I was born in Somalia, I would eat my U.N. gruel until I was strong enough to crawl to a cliff and fall off.

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patriotink 19 hours ago

Sorry, I hope it k i l l s every one of the murderous, sick collection of Mooslem minds.

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crystlefire 20 hours ago

M u s li ms are to busy teaching their people how to blow up white christians, you know the ones sending all the money to keep them alive…..If it wasn’t so sad, this would allmost be hysterical. These are m u s li ms that are starving and not one m u s li  m country around to help them out. That’s what Africa gets for throwing out all the whites and than destroying every farm that these whites have build. Africans are to s t u p i d  to run anything least of all a country. Look at the USA. Only 2 1/2 years in office and the damage is unbelievable!

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patriotink 19 hours ago in reply to crystlefire

D a m n well put!!! One of the best post I have read in a long time. You have absolutely nailed it!!!

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sacramentodude 21 hours ago

LETtheNIGGERSdie!!!

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bennykoy 21 hours ago in reply to johnqpublique

Niggadishu.

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rederic 22 hours ago

Finally some good news

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notwhoyouthink 22 hours ago

Hahahahahaha stupid_niggers.

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leernorman1 21 hours ago in reply to notwhoyouthink

Amen!!!

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mik346 23 hours ago

I have a P I G named AIIah

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bennykoy 21 hours ago in reply to mik346

I have a NlGGER named Rastus.

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hatelukewarm 1 day ago

Maybe God’s way of cleansing the earth??? BTW - Let’s send all that are in the states back immediately!

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RegDemocrat 1 day ago

where’s al sharpton and jesse jackson when you N G R S need them most.

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There’s a lot more in this vein. When I captured the page there were 78 comments, and almost all of them were like this. Notice how they use creative misspellings, add spaces, and run words together when they post racist slurs, to get around searches and automatic word filters.

The racist ugliness at Fox News is indistinguishable from the comments at the infamous neo-Nazi site Stormfront.

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375 comments

1 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:59:24pm

Related: My wife is laughing hysterically because a Fox News analyst, talking about the debt, said "You don't want to shoot your wad too soon".

I know it has an older meaning, but I rather think the modern one has overtaken it.

2 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 2:59:37pm

I used to go to Stormfront to get my daily dose of concentrated hate. Now I no longer need to risk public ostracism- I have an acceptable, mainstream source to feed off!

///need I?

3 laZardo  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:00:17pm

re: #2 Sergey Romanov

I used to go to Stormfront to get my daily dose of concentrated hate. Now I no longer need to risk public ostracism- I have an acceptable, mainstream source to feed off!

///need I?

4chan?

/

//it is a magical place of wonder

4 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:00:55pm

re: #3 laZardo

Too chaotic for poor me.

5 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:02:27pm

Reads just like something out of Stormfront but but the liberals are the real racists, Fox News tells me so!

6 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:03:18pm

What's with these people? Don't they realize Mogadishu is Libertarian paradise? No regulation, no welfare state, no EPA, no cops, no pc schools, no unions, no minimum wage; they should love the place.

7 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:04:40pm

re: #6 Shiplord Kirel

What's with these people? Don't they realize Mogadishu is Libertarian paradise? No regulation, no welfare state, no EPA, no cops, no pc schools, no unions, no minimum wage; they should love the place.

Yeah but Somalians are black and Muslim so screw them *rolls eyes*. Great classy people they got posting on Fox News. What happened to humanity?

8 Big Joe  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:04:44pm

re: #6 Shiplord Kirel

What's with these people? Don't they realize Mogadishu is Libertarian paradise? No regulation, no welfare state, no EPA, no cops, no pc schools, no unions, no minimum wage; they should love the place.

Yes, but it's full of brown people.

9 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:05:17pm

re: #6 Shiplord Kirel

What's with these people? Don't they realize Mogadishu is Libertarian paradise? No regulation, no welfare state, no EPA, no cops, no pc schools, no unions, no minimum wage; they should love the place.

And lots of serious weaponry everywhere. It's a right wing utopia.

10 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:07:16pm

re: #9 Charles

And lots of serious weaponry everywhere. It's a right wing utopia.

With the wrong people. /

11 laZardo  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:09:47pm

re: #9 Charles

And lots of serious weaponry everywhere. It's a right wing utopia.

And they're better off for it too!

12 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:09:50pm

Reminds me of the old joke:

I love [insert country name], I just hate the people.

13 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:10:02pm

re: #7 HappyWarrior

Yeah but Somalians are black and Muslim so screw them *rolls eyes*. Great classy people they got posting on Fox News. What happened to humanity?

Those people appear to have never moderated their views. They just kept quiet in public about them. But now they have a place where they can spew their hate anonymously but still have it be seen. For that kind of bigot, Fox comment sections are the best thing to come along since white hoods went out of fashion.

14 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:10:51pm

re: #12 000G

Reminds me of the old joke:

I love [insert country name], I just hate the people.

Such a brilliant head, a pity it's been given to a fool. /

15 Atlas Fails  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:10:58pm

re: #12 000G

Reminds me of the old joke:

I love the USA, I just hate some of the people.

16 jaunte  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:14:37pm

In the Fox comment thread on 'The Game' story, pedro.turner calls out his fantasy false flag operation:

pedro.turner 0 minutes ago
Why do liberals come here every Sunday, spouting racist garbage, thinking that we won't see them for who they are?
17 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:14:38pm

re: #12 000G

Reminds me of the old joke:

I love [insert country name], I just hate the people.

Reminds me of an actual interview with an anti-Chunnel activist back when the Channel Tunnel was under construction in the 80s. The project had attracted a veritable zoo of opposition, ranging from extreme nationalists to Earth First style extreme environmentalists. The reporter asked the activist if his group was anti-French. He replied (as closely as I can remember), "Of course not, we greatly admire French architecture and art, French food, French culture and tradition. It's just the goddamn French people we can't stand."

18 Idle Drifter  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:16:30pm

Is it such a stretch for the idiot brigade in comment section that such epidemics can happen here since we have large group of misguided folks not vaccinating their children. Many of those said commentators are most likely anti-vacs.

19 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:18:05pm

re: #7 HappyWarrior

Yeah but Somalians are black and Muslim so screw them *rolls eyes*. Great classy people they got posting on Fox News. What happened to humanity?

This may be sexist but I read Crystalfire to be a female. Making the most vile statement. Kinda shocking.

Or maybe it's just your proud meth user. Who knows.

20 laZardo  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:18:51pm

re: #7 HappyWarrior

Yeah but Somalians are black and Muslim so screw them *rolls eyes*. Great classy people they got posting on Fox News. What happened to humanity?

You lost all hope in them too?

21 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:19:11pm

re: #14 Sergey Romanov

Such a brilliant head, a pity it's been given to a fool. /

(Noam, I'm looking atcha.)

22 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:21:54pm

It always amuses me to watch people clutch the pearls and pretend like this stuff has somehow been hidden, yet is suddenly now coming out on anonymous internet boards.

What do people think they say right to our faces, in person, offline, when they're sure they can get away with it?

23 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:23:28pm

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

Those people appear to have never moderated their views. They just kept quiet in public about them. But now they have a place where they can spew their hate anonymously but still have it be seen. For that kind of bigot, Fox comment sections are the best thing to come along since white hoods went out of fashion.

The Fox comments are about on par with the Yahoo and AOL comments, as far as I can tell.

From Yahoo, on an article about Somalia asking for guards for the food convoys:

Last time we sent food these people shot at us. Let them starve.

Somalia wants?????? WHEN DOESN'T SOMALIA WANTS SOMETHING?????? THE SAME &%#$&@$ WAY OUR SOLDIERS WANTED HELP, AND THEY TURNED THEIR BACKS ON OUR MILITARY...OUR SOLDIERS WERE DRAGGED THRU THE FILTHY STREETS....SOMALIS CAN EAT SH$T AND DIE FOR ALL I CARE!!!!!

Send the blacks in this country to guard as it is THEIR Heritage.

BlackHawk Down. These people are worse than animals.

You just can not trust those peace loving Islamic radical for anything good . If theyare not killing each other they are stealing from each other . In somalia they are stealing food out of children's mouth.

24 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:23:39pm

re: #18 Idle Drifter

Is it such a stretch for the idiot brigade in comment section that such epidemics can happen here since we have large group of misguided folks not vaccinating their children. Many of those said commentators are most likely anti-vacs.

maybe, but certainly antihuman...to turn your back on a man that cannot fend for himself is despicable

25 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:24:49pm

re: #23 SanFranciscoZionist

Aaa a a a a a a a a ah h h h h h

26 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:24:54pm

Also from Yahoo:

you feed and protect a roach and you have millions of roaches same here just with Somalis

I'd rather send my money to Save the Animals.

27 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:25:05pm

re: #22 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin


Of course nobody thinks that it just sprang out of nowhere; what it shows was that people weren't constrained by any sort of decency, dignity, or wisdom, but just by disapproval.

So, in ye olden days, if you wanted to be racist you had to hang out at the general store with the other racists and race it up. Now it's basically acceptable to do on Fox News.

I've had people call me a kike to my face, but that's different than people just having a good ol' conversation about how all kikes should die.

28 jaunte  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:25:58pm

re: #27 Obdicut

Now it's basically acceptable to do on Fox News


Fox Business host Eric Bolling:

"What's with all the hoods in the hizzy?"
29 Kragar  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:28:33pm

re: #6 Shiplord Kirel

What's with these people? Don't they realize Mogadishu is Libertarian paradise? No regulation, no welfare state, no EPA, no cops, no pc schools, no unions, no minimum wage; they should love the place.

Its only a utopia if its christian, duh

30 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:29:53pm

re: #27 Obdicut

Of course nobody thinks that it just sprang out of nowhere; what it shows was that people weren't constrained by any sort of decency, dignity, or wisdom, but just by disapproval.

Supposedly. I don't buy it.

Plus, I didn't say sprang out of nowhere, I said "hidden".

I wish I had a penny for every reformed person from a bigot community calling themselves revealing what the bigots "really" think. Rotfl as if I don't already have a quite clear idea all on my very own.

31 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:30:36pm

re: #30 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I'm sorry, I really don't understand what it is you're saying.

32 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:31:18pm

re: #31 Obdicut

I'm sorry, I really don't understand what it is you're saying.

It's very clear what it is I'm saying.

33 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:32:49pm

re: #32 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

It's very clear what it is I'm saying.

I'm sorry, it really isn't. I don't actually understand the point that you're trying to make. If you could express it differently, I'd appreciate it.

34 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:33:36pm

re: #33 Obdicut

I'm sorry, it really isn't. I don't actually understand the point that you're trying to make. If you could express it differently, I'd appreciate it.

same here...I'm a tad confused

35 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:35:07pm

re: #33 Obdicut

I'm sorry, it really isn't.

Then that's on you.

36 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:35:56pm

re: #34 albusteve

same here...I'm a tad confused

You, confused about something?

Since when?

37 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:36:21pm

re: #35 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Then that's on you.

Er... okay. Is there any particular reason you don't want to explain what it is you mean? I'm honestly just not getting it. I thought I did, but your response to what I said shows that I didn't understand it.

38 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:37:01pm

re: #36 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

You, confused about something?

Since when?

since your #30...no sweat off my back

39 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:38:05pm

re: #38 albusteve

since your #30...no sweat off my back

Glad to hear it.re: #37 Obdicut

Er... okay. Is there any particular reason you don't want to explain what it is you mean?

What's to explain?

40 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:38:40pm

re: #39 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

What's to explain?

This part is either very poorly written or not very well thought out:

I wish I had a penny for every reformed person from a bigot community calling themselves revealing what the bigots "really" think.

41 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:39:26pm

re: #26 SanFranciscoZionist

Also from Yahoo:

you feed and protect a roach and you have millions of roaches same here just with Somalis

I'd rather send my money to Save the Animals.

Referring to people as animals has a long and dishonorable history. Trotsky did it to justify Red atrocities in the Russian Civil War, Goebbels did it to justify the Holocaust, and Pol Pot did it to justify the emptying of Cambodia's cities and the subsequent killing of educated people.

When someone talks like that, beware.

42 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:39:52pm

re: #40 000G

This part is either very poorly written or not very well thought out:

How about: If I had a penny for every reformed person from a bigot community revealing what the bigots "really" think, I'd be independently wealthy.

43 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:40:09pm

re: #39 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

What's to explain?

I really don't understand what you've actually said so far.

Are you saying the racism has never actually been hidden more than it is now? I didn't think so, because you mentioned 'when they're sure they can get away with it'.

44 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:40:52pm

re: #42 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

How about: If I had a penny for every reformed person from a bigot community revealing what the bigots "really" think, I'd be independently wealthy.

Are you talking about people saying bigoted stuff and claiming they're just 'revealing' what the bigots think, when they're actually indulging in racism themselves?

45 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:41:58pm

Waaay OT, but

God
@TheTweetOfGod

Follows 1 person. That person? Justin Beiber. lol

46 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:43:07pm

re: #43 Obdicut

I really don't understand what you've actually said so far.

Are you saying the racism has never actually been hidden more than it is now?

?

It's never been hidden.

47 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:43:25pm

re: #45 Stanley Sea

Waaay OT, but

God
@TheTweetOfGod

Follows 1 person. That person? Justin Beiber. lol

Need to keep an eye on that Great Adversary, doncha know.

48 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:45:25pm

re: #44 Obdicut

Are you talking about people saying bigoted stuff and claiming they're just 'revealing' what the bigots think, when they're actually indulging in racism themselves?

The general idea is, no one needs to go by the pretext of "revealing" anything about the bigots. The bigots reveal themselves to us all on their own, right to our faces.

49 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:45:44pm

re: #46 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

?

It's never been hidden.

Okay. I think that the level of racism shown on Fox News, for example, is larger now, with Obama as president, than it was before. That might be just because they've got a black person to talk about regularly.

Likewise, I think that the racists in this country have been emboldened by the acceptance that that racism has found in the GOP, Fox, and other right-wing media networks, and that that's made them more comfy and open about it over the past while.

It's possible, of course, that this is just my attention drawn towards it or not, but the SPLC has noted the rise in the racist rhetoric and affiliation as well.

50 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:46:25pm

re: #48 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

The general idea is, no one needs to go by the pretext of "revealing" anything about the bigots. The bigots reveal themselves to us all on their own, right to our faces.

But that is not true.

51 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:47:22pm

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

Referring to people as animals has a long and dishonorable history. Trotsky did it to justify Red atrocities in the Russian Civil War, Goebbels did it to justify the Holocaust, and Pol Pot did it to justify the emptying of Cambodia's cities and the subsequent killing of educated people.

When someone talks like that, beware.

the Spanish did it and wiped out an entire civilization

52 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:47:32pm

re: #48 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

The general idea is, no one needs to go by the pretext of "revealing" anything about the bigots. The bigots reveal themselves to us all on their own, right to our faces.

Some do. Some of the nastier sort will never say a racist thing in their lives, but will still take racist actions. They're rather the more difficult to deal with. My grandpa didn't get hired at Berkeley because of his race and was told so to his face, but a lot of people don't get hired because of their race but never know that was the factor.

There are quiet bigots as well as loudmouths.

53 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:50:19pm

re: #49 Obdicut

Okay. I think that the level of racism shown on Fox News, for example, is larger now, with Obama as president, than it was before. That might be just because they've got a black person to talk about regularly.

Likewise, I think that the racists in this country have been emboldened by the acceptance that that racism has found in the GOP, Fox, and other right-wing media networks, and that that's made them more comfy and open about it over the past while.

It's possible, of course, that this is just my attention drawn towards it or not, but the SPLC has noted the rise in the racist rhetoric and affiliation as well.

I'm not sure what you're arguing. Fox News is just noise. The level of racism, as you call it, is only growing louder to people who don't deal with it in their personal lives, i.e. offline, in our faces.

I live in California, which the SPLC has listed for years having around 80 designated hate groups, including NPP and NOI. But overwhelmingly white bigot groups. Have for most of my live.

The noise level is not new.

54 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:52:25pm

re: #52 Obdicut

Some do. Some of the nastier sort will never say a racist thing in their lives, but will still take racist actions. They're rather the more difficult to deal with. My grandpa didn't get hired at Berkeley because of his race and was told so to his face, but a lot of people don't get hired because of their race but never know that was the factor.

There are quiet bigots as well as loudmouths.

Aren't there, though.

This is why we have had a Civil Rights movement starting circa some time in the 1700s. We've been dealing with these people for many, many, many, many generations.

55 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:53:14pm

re: #50 000G

But that is not true.

Depends on your demographic, I suppose.

56 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:54:24pm

re: #53 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I'm not sure what you're arguing. Fox News is just noise. The level of racism, as you call it, is only growing louder to people who don't deal with it in their personal lives, i.e. offline, in our faces.

Well, sure, the personal touch sort of racism probably remains at a steady level. But I don't agree that Fox is just noise. It's influential, and it means that someone may have to hear yet another tired bit of racism that they otherwise wouldn't have-- because it's coming from the TV, now, not just the asshole on the bus.

I live in California, which the SPLC has listed for years having around 80 designated hate groups, including NPP and NOI. But overwhelmingly white bigot groups. Have for most of my live.

Yes. But according to the SPLC, but the activity and the membership of those groups are on the rise. I'm not saying that the groups are new, or the views they hold are new, or even that people who feel the way those groups do are new, but that they're, too use the Bushism, 'emboldened'.

57 bratwurst  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:54:57pm

re: #22 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

It always amuses me to watch people clutch the pearls and pretend like this stuff has somehow been hidden, yet is suddenly now coming out on anonymous internet boards.

What do people think they say right to our faces, in person, offline, when they're sure they can get away with it?

I spent some time living in New Orleans in 2008-2009 and some of the conversations I heard in the sauna at my health club would get me banned from here if I transcribed them.

58 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:55:31pm

re: #51 albusteve

the Spanish did it and wiped out an entire civilization

Several, actually.

59 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:56:00pm

re: #54 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Aren't there, though.

This is why we have had a Civil Rights movement starting circa some time in the 1700s. We've been dealing with these people for many, many, many, many generations.

Sure, we have. Though I'd argue the civil rights movement started before the 1700s, with the anti-slavery action of some of the dissenters in the 1600s, but it depends what you call a civil rights movement.

60 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:57:00pm

re: #58 SanFranciscoZionist

Several, actually.

But then again, such talk has gotten me permanently identified as an Hispanophobe by certain overexcited former lizards.

61 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:57:54pm

re: #57 bratwurst

I spent some time living in New Orleans in 2008-2009 and some of the conversations I heard in the sauna at my health club would get me banned from here if I transcribed them.

I can believe that. People can show quite a bit of nasty when they think they're among like-minded people.

62 Kragar  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:58:01pm

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

But then again, such talk has gotten me permanently identified as an Hispanophobe by certain overexcited former lizards.

Obviously you're a phobophobe

63 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:58:40pm

re: #62 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obviously you're a phobophobe

Better than a phobophile. Or actually, that's just someone who likes horror movies, I guess.

64 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:58:56pm

BBL

65 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:59:42pm

Watched all of the first season of "A Game of Thrones" this weekend.

66 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 3:59:52pm

blip!... so the Aggies are NOT going to the SEC? I was excited!

*shooting gun fingers into the air*

67 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:00:40pm

re: #56 Obdicut

Well, sure, the personal touch sort of racism probably remains at a steady level. But I don't agree that Fox is just noise. It's influential, and it means that someone may have to hear yet another tired bit of racism that they otherwise wouldn't have-- because it's coming from the TV, now, not just the asshole on the bus.

Yes. But according to the SPLC, but the activity and the membership of those groups are on the rise. I'm not saying that the groups are new, or the views they hold are new, or even that people who feel the way those groups do are new, but that they're, too use the Bushism, 'emboldened'.

Thing is, I don't need SPLC to tell me about the prevalence of eliminationist bigots. So they've once again come out of the closet...I offer they aren't all that closeted to begin with.

It's that age old question, especially in the internet age. Are there more of them now, or have they always been there and are now "becoming emboldened", some combination of the two. I say the two are not mutually exclusive and yes, they have definitely always been there, every bit as virulent and nasty as Fox comments.

68 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:01:04pm

re: #66 Stanley Sea

blip!... so the Aggies are NOT going to the SEC? I was excited!

*shooting gun fingers into the air*

it's a good thing...for once tradition trumps profit

69 Kragar  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:01:35pm

re: #66 Stanley Sea

blip!... so the Aggies are NOT going to the SEC? I was excited!

*shooting gun fingers into the air*

Please, no fingerbanging

70 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:03:05pm

re: #67 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Thing is, I don't need SPLC to tell me about the prevalence of eliminationist bigots. So they've once again come out of the closet...I offer they aren't all that closeted to begin with.

Okay then. I think that the rise in activity in hate groups is significant.

It's that age old question, especially in the internet age. Are there more of them now, or have they always been there and are now "becoming emboldened", some combination of the two.

Oh, I was never saying there were more of them now. Maybe that's the confusion.

I say the two are not mutually exclusive and yes, they have definitely always been there, every bit as virulent and nasty as Fox comments.

Right. I'm not sure why you thought that I was saying they weren't there, but I wasn't.

There were just as many anti-Semites in Germany before the Nazis-- maybe a few fewer-- but the antisemitism then actually enacted by the Nazis was of a different sort. To go ahead and use the Godwin analogy right off the bat.

71 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:03:49pm

re: #69 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Please, no fingerbanging

Those of a delicate disposition, skip this post.

My favorite prom tip from The Onion:

"Wait until a slow song to fingerbang your date."

72 Atlas Fails  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:04:43pm

re: #16 jaunte

In the Fox comment thread on 'The Game' story, pedro.turner calls out his fantasy false flag operation:

BREIVIK WAS A SOROS PLANT!!!1!11ty

73 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:04:59pm

re: #59 Obdicut

Sure, we have. Though I'd argue the civil rights movement started before the 1700s, with the anti-slavery action of some of the dissenters in the 1600s, but it depends what you call a civil rights movement.

Honestly, I say the civil rights movement started some time in 1619 with the people who arrived here against our will.

We may or may not agree on what comprises it, but the point was more that we have been doing this for a very, very, very long time.

74 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:07:04pm

re: #67 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Thing is, I don't need SPLC to tell me about the prevalence of eliminationist bigots. So they've once again come out of the closet...I offer they aren't all that closeted to begin with.

It's that age old question, especially in the internet age. Are there more of them now, or have they always been there and are now "becoming emboldened", some combination of the two. I say the two are not mutually exclusive and yes, they have definitely always been there, every bit as virulent and nasty as Fox comments.

I think, like everyone else, they are finding more people to discuss their interests with in the Internet.

If you live in some areas, are brought up in some social circles, you will rarely meet opposition when you express racist ideas.

If you live in others, you will be frequently shut down and socially shunned if you express them. Your relatives will be embarrassed. Girls will shrug you off. It's better to not talk about.

Except that, on the Internet, the racists, like everyone else from the pedophiles to the collectors of rare antique quilting hoops, can find more of their own kind to talk to. And even those who are not restrained in their own real world communities can find more fuel for their fire here.

It makes some difference. How much of a one, I don't really know.

Of course, what I notice is that this has relatively little to do with Fox specifically. Most news outlets have comments like these.

75 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:07:32pm

re: #73 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Honestly, I say the civil rights movement started some time in 1619 with the people who arrived here against our will.

The US one, sure.

We may or may not agree on what comprises it, but the point was more that we have been doing this for a very, very, very long time.

Okay. I'm not sure how that's exactly relevant, though. I don't think anyone doesn't know that, do they?

76 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:08:28pm

re: #69 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Please, no fingerbanging

You could totally picture it I hope, it's a classic cheer.

77 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:09:03pm

re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist

Fox news is more special for the actual on-air racism.

78 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:09:18pm

re: #71 Obdicut

And I'm just sitting here innocently cheering.

79 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:09:34pm

re: #70 Obdicut

I'm not sure why you thought that I was saying they weren't there, but I wasn't.

I haven't said you think anything about them one way or another.

There were just as many anti-Semites in Germany before the Nazis-- maybe a few fewer-- but the antisemitism then actually enacted by the Nazis was of a different sort. To go ahead and use the Godwin analogy right off the bat.

Godwin analogy not needed. I don't think we are in a Nazi Germany situation.

80 Kragar  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:10:07pm

re: #76 Stanley Sea

You could totally picture it I hope, it's a classic cheer.

81 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:12:05pm

re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist

Except that, on the Internet, the racists, like everyone else from the pedophiles to the collectors of rare antique quilting hoops, can find more of their own kind to talk to. And even those who are not restrained in their own real world communities can find more fuel for their fire here.

That's a keeper.

82 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:12:17pm

re: #75 Obdicut

The US one, sure.

"1600s dissenters" was your reference. Or were you talking about Brazil.


Okay. I'm not sure how that's exactly relevant, though. I don't think anyone doesn't know that, do they?

What are you arguing?

83 calochortus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:13:05pm

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

Referring to people as animals has a long and dishonorable history. Trotsky did it to justify Red atrocities in the Russian Civil War, Goebbels did it to justify the Holocaust, and Pol Pot did it to justify the emptying of Cambodia's cities and the subsequent killing of educated people.

When someone talks like that, beware.

Dehumanization has an ancient and dishonorable history. I recommend "Less Than Human" and/or the linked story on the book.

84 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:13:17pm

re: #79 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I haven't said you think anything about them one way or another.

Godwin analogy not needed. I don't think we are in a Nazi Germany situation.

Repost: Godwin analogy not needed. We are not in a Nazi Germany situation.

85 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:13:57pm

re: #80 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

[Video]

Oh those poor Aggies.

86 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:14:12pm

re: #77 Obdicut

Fox news is more special for the actual on-air racism.

Stick around. It is going to get much worse, and way more egregious.

87 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:14:38pm

re: #79 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Godwin analogy not needed. I don't think we are in a Nazi Germany situation.

I don't think we are either. What I'm pointing out is that the number of racists and the behavior of racists are very different concepts and problems. So, I really do think we're seeing a spike an acceptable, open, on-air, pseudo-intellectual, nativistic (though ironically applied) racism. It's by no means unprecedented.

The Birchers used to be shunned in the GOP. Now they're back inside. Sure, when they were shunned, there were still shitloads of racists in the GOP, but I do feel that there's a difference in openly rubbing shoulders with the people who claim all blacks are communist tools and their political power must be broken, and people who make snide statements about welfare queens. The latter are terrible shitheads who impede progress, but the former can lead to much, much darker crap if their shit really takes hold in public discourse.

88 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:16:51pm

re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist

I think, like everyone else, they are finding more people to discuss their interests with in the Internet.

If you live in some areas, are brought up in some social circles, you will rarely meet opposition when you express racist ideas.

If you live in others, you will be frequently shut down and socially shunned if you express them. Your relatives will be embarrassed. Girls will shrug you off. It's better to not talk about.

Except that, on the Internet, the racists, like everyone else from the pedophiles to the collectors of rare antique quilting hoops, can find more of their own kind to talk to. And even those who are not restrained in their own real world communities can find more fuel for their fire here.

It makes some difference. How much of a one, I don't really know.

Of course, what I notice is that this has relatively little to do with Fox specifically. Most news outlets have comments like these.

That's the point I'm making. Perhaps amongst each other people will go through the motions of hiding it.

With us, it's a completely different animal. Well more than 2 of us in a locale, again that's a different story.

89 Kragar  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:17:51pm

re: #85 Stanley Sea

Oh those poor Aggies.

Screw the Aggies.

90 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:22:22pm

re: #89 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Screw the Aggies.

you couldn't spell football if I spotted you the foot and both L's

91 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:24:14pm

place is dead

92 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:24:46pm

re: #87 Obdicut

It's by no means unprecedented.

Well, that's my point.

Not only is it not unprecedented, it's quite familiar.


The Birchers used to be shunned in the GOP. Now they're back inside. Sure, when they were shunned, there were still shitloads of racists in the GOP, but I do feel that there's a difference in openly rubbing shoulders with the people who claim all blacks are communist tools and their political power must be broken, and people who make snide statements about welfare queens. The latter are terrible shitheads who impede progress, but the former can lead to much, much darker crap if their shit really takes hold in public discourse.

I'm not even talking about the GOP or Birchers.

BTW, there isn't much difference between the people you mention, any more than the diff between the person counting Jewish names on Wall Street and the crank parroting Protocols bullshit about stringpullers.

93 Atlas Fails  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:25:07pm

re: #91 albusteve

place is dead

Texas A&M football is dead. Zing!

94 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:26:03pm

re: #91 albusteve

place is dead

Future is now.

95 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:26:04pm

Bill Withers

96 SidewaysQuark  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:26:30pm

What's wrong with the comment suggesting one could name a pig "Allah"?

One could also name a sheep "Jesus", a cow "Krishna", a goat "Moses" and a chicken "Buddha" and have a whole "Fundie Farm"!

97 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:26:48pm

re: #92 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin


Well, that's my point.

Not only is it not unprecedented, it's quite familiar.

Okay?


BTW, there isn't much difference between the people you mention, any more than the diff between the person counting Jewish names on Wall Street and the crank parroting Protocols bullshit about stringpullers.

Well, I disagree. I think there's a lot of difference between various sorts of racists, and the behavior they exhibit. Thus the classic differences between racism in the North and South, to give a crude example.

Have you read Anathem, by Neil Stephenson?

98 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:27:54pm

re: #93 Atlas Fails

Texas A&M football is dead. Zing!

their boy Stephen McGee put on a show the other night against the Broncos....he's a hell of a player

99 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:28:02pm

re: #94 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Future is now.

deep

100 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:28:29pm

Ooh Boy, Chuck Todd is at some GOP speech $ dinner.

chucktodd Chuck Todd

Perry touts his Eagle Scout and 4H club standing as a kid for the audience.

101 Kragar  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:28:54pm

re: #90 albusteve

you couldn't spell football if I spotted you the foot and both L's

Rugby

102 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:29:01pm

re: #96 SidewaysQuark

What's wrong with the comment suggesting one could name a pig "Allah"?

One could also name a sheep "Jesus", a cow "Krishna", a goat "Moses" and a chicken "Buddha" and have a whole "Fundie Farm"!

Nah, that doesn't work, goats are kosher.

103 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:29:38pm

re: #101 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Rugby

commie

104 prairiefire  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:29:56pm

Florence and the Machine, "You've Got The Love":

105 Atlas Fails  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:30:11pm

re: #98 albusteve

their boy Stephen McGee put on a show the other night against the Broncos...he's a hell of a player

I was just joshin', A&M had a great season last year and appears to be on the rise. Besides, my team has been football dead for three decades, so I've got no room to talk.

106 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:30:37pm

Are Buddhists vege?

107 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:31:12pm

re: #95 albusteve

Bill Withers

[Video]

Here's another Withers song I like (and one that I think expresses what the nutballs, bigots, and TPers high up in the GOP are doing to their supporters):

108 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:31:34pm

re: #107 talon_262

Whoops:

109 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:31:47pm

re: #105 Atlas Fails

I was just joshin', A&M had a great season last year and appears to be on the rise. Besides, my team has been football dead for three decades, so I've got no room to talk.

I'm a Michigan fan, my son's an alumni...we have nowhere to hide anymore...we sucketh bigtimearooskie

110 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:32:26pm

re: #106 Stanley Sea

Some are. Buddhism isn't a very coherent semi-religion, so there's almost no generalizable statement that can be made about them.

111 prairiefire  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:32:58pm

re: #106 Stanley Sea

Are Buddhists vege?

My Japanese family who are Buddhists are not Vege.

112 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:33:08pm

re: #110 Obdicut

Some are. Buddhism isn't a very coherent semi-religion, so there's almost no generalizable statement that can be made about them.

So the chicken failed too?

113 Kragar  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:33:36pm

re: #103 albusteve

commie

Professional sports are a vile capitalist creation meant to serve as an opiate to the masses.

114 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:34:24pm

re: #97 Obdicut

Okay?

Well, I disagree. I think there's a lot of difference between various sorts of racists, and the behavior they exhibit. Thus the classic differences between racism in the North and South, to give a crude example.

I don't go by crude North/South examples.

Growing up Black in southern California, with both parents Great Migration southerners with the integrationist ethic, my personal experience does not allow that luxury.

But again, my own experience is by no means unique. I come from a long line of people with similar, and far more harsh experience, and that's even after factoring in the queer angle.

Have you read Anathem, by Neil Stephenson?

I haven't. Is it fiction? My friends get on me for this, but I'm not into fiction unless it from like 18th c continental Europe :/

115 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:34:31pm

re: #110 Obdicut

re: #111 prairiefire

Chickens are FINE!

116 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:35:42pm

re: #113 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Professional sports are a vile capitalist creation meant to serve as an opiate to the masses.

I'm addicted to football, but I've yet to rob my mom

117 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:35:47pm

re: #112 Stanley Sea

I don't even know what a fundamentalist Buddhist would be. A Tibetan monk who wanted the return of theocratic slavery, I guess. Doubt they'd shirk from eating chicken.

118 prairiefire  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:35:50pm

re: #115 Stanley Sea

re: #111 prairiefire

Chickens are FINE!

Are you becoming a Buddhist? Or just serving dinner to some.

119 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:35:50pm

re: #99 albusteve

deep

About as deep as "place is dead".

120 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:36:06pm

re: #108 talon_262

Whoops:

[Video]

another nice tine by a soulful guy

121 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:36:18pm

Wow. Wow.

chucktodd Chuck Todd

Surprised too MT @benpolitico: Unusual Perry line: Running to make sure every young man/woman who puts on uniform "respects highly the prez"

122 Kragar  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:37:09pm

re: #116 albusteve

I'm addicted to football, but I've yet to rob my mom

Yet.

123 Kragar  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:37:52pm

re: #121 Stanley Sea

Wow. Wow.

chucktodd Chuck Todd

Surprised too MT @benpolitico: Unusual Perry line: Running to make sure every young man/woman who puts on uniform "respects highly the prez"

What is there to respect about Perry? He's a slimeball.

124 Atlas Fails  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:38:02pm

re: #109 albusteve

I'm a Michigan fan, my son's an alumni...we have nowhere to hide anymore...we sucketh bigtimearooskie

Hey, at least you guys have competed for championships in recent years. We've been irrelevant since Marino graduated. UM will be back, they just dug themselves a hole by hiring that scumbag RichRod. I knew he was no good since his first presser for WVU.

125 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:38:10pm

re: #117 Obdicut

I don't even know what a fundamentalist Buddhist would be. A Tibetan monk who wanted the return of theocratic slavery, I guess. Doubt they'd shirk from eating chicken.

Aw man, I recently met up with a fundamentalist-acting Buddhist. Although it was pretty obvious he was a recovering LDS pastor who ran screaming from Mormonism to Buddhism, then applied the evangelical stuff he was used to, to what he thought was Buddhism.

Many *smh* moments with him.

126 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:38:14pm

re: #118 prairiefire

Are you becoming a Buddhist? Or just serving dinner to some.

Just some lame comments responding to a post about certain gods=certain animals. I didn't get it.

127 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:38:24pm

re: #100 Stanley Sea

Ooh Boy, Chuck Todd is at some GOP speech $ dinner.

chucktodd Chuck Todd

Perry touts his Eagle Scout and 4H club standing as a kid for the audience.

He might be an Eagle Scout (as am I), but Perry embodies the opposite, completely and totally, of what the Scout Oath and Law asks us to be.

Scouts, and especially Eagle Scouts, aren't and shouldn't be expected to be perfect, but Perry's conduct is perverse.

128 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:38:36pm

re: #122 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yet.

I've been checking the prices for antique pearls these days

129 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:39:38pm

chucktodd Chuck Todd
Perry identifies himself as a tea partier, noting folks ask, "why are you tea party types so angry?; "we're not angry, we're indignant."

»

chucktodd Chuck Todd
Of the current top 3 in GOP field: only Perry has military experience, clearly he sees it as asset against Romney/Bachmann

130 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:39:55pm

re: #119 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

About as deep as "place is dead".

the future is now is a lie....you have been deceived by your Anger Overlords

131 prairiefire  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:40:18pm

Neil Young Live at Farm Aid 2011:


Yes, that is all of us singing along.
132 engineer cat  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:40:30pm

was watching the new Flavor Of The Month deliver his big stump speech. he promises recovery if we follow his four simple principles:

1. Don't Spend All The Money!

(this is an actual quote and his favorite phrase)

2. Have a "predictable regulatory climate"

3. Keep Taxes Low On The Job Creators

4. Tort Reform

i still think it's stale goods and no longer selling the way it used to...

133 Alexzander  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:40:50pm

re: #130 albusteve

So did you convince Walter to come back?

134 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:41:03pm

re: #96 SidewaysQuark

What's wrong with the comment suggesting one could name a pig "Allah"?

One could also name a sheep "Jesus", a cow "Krishna", a goat "Moses" and a chicken "Buddha" and have a whole "Fundie Farm"!

It is, in fact, always possible to offend MORE people than one already has.

However, the fact that you chose to insult one specific religion doesn't make it acceptable.

135 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:41:08pm

re: #108 talon_262

Whoops:

[Video]

Fantastic. I'm sure you've heard the Grace Jones remake, which isn't too shabby, either.

136 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:41:23pm

re: #127 talon_262

He might be an Eagle Scout (as am I), but Perry embodies the opposite, completely and totally, of what the Scout Oath and Law asks us to be.

Scouts, and especially Eagle Scouts, aren't and shouldn't be expected to be perfect, but Perry's conduct is perverse.

congratulations...I still have a lot of respect for Scouting...an Eagle is no small thing

137 SidewaysQuark  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:41:50pm

re: #126 Stanley Sea

Just some lame comments responding to a post about certain gods=certain animals. I didn't get it.

Don't put too much thought into it. I sure didn't.

138 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:42:02pm

re: #102 Obdicut

Nah, that doesn't work, goats are kosher.

And cows are holy, and while sheep don't have any formal role as such, they are symbolic in Christianity.

And last I heard, Buddhists don't have any special horror of chickens.

139 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:42:10pm

re: #114 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I don't go by crude North/South examples.

Growing up Black in southern California, with both parents Great Migration southerners with the integrationist ethic, my personal experience does not allow that luxury.

But again, my own experience is by no means unique. I come from a long line of people with similar, and far more harsh experience, and that's even after factoring in the queer angle.

Er... I'm sorry, but we seem to be constantly talking at cross purposes. My point was that the sort of racism in the South and North was different, and that that actually matters; it takes different efforts to combat different sorts of racism. I don't know understand anything you mean about not having that luxury; obviously you were confronted with whatever sort of racism that you were, but that doesn't obviate that there are demonstrably different forms of racism.


I haven't. Is it fiction? My friends get on me for this, but I'm not into fiction unless it from like 18th c continental Europe :/

Well, that's a rather limited purview. Yes, it is, and in it there's an academic order of monks who stay separate from the workaday world for ten, a hundred, or a thousand years at a time. So, when they open their gates and re-encounter the world, they may find any number of different reactions. So, before they do, they interview some people from the outside world to find out their current attitudes. Do they think the monks have special powers? Do they think they have secrets worth plundering? Do they think that they're amiable buffoons not to be trusted with important tasks, or cunning, ruthless masterminds? Etc.

Similarly, someone who thinks that Jews are destroying Western culture through liberalism and must be stopped are a different sort of beast to someone who thinks that Jews and white people should have as little to do with each other as possible, and avoids Jews.

They're both bad, they both suck, but it's important to differentiate between them.

140 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:42:45pm

Oh gah. There must not be one young person in the place.

chucktodd Chuck Todd

"This shirt has a few wrinkles in it, it's not my wife's fault." -- Perry joking about his shirt after taking coat off

141 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:43:00pm

re: #130 albusteve

the future is now is a lie...you have been deceived by your Anger Overlords

The only Anger Overlord that rules my world is Nina Hagen.

All other Anger Overlords can go eff off.

142 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:43:49pm

re: #124 Atlas Fails

Hey, at least you guys have competed for championships in recent years. We've been irrelevant since Marino graduated. UM will be back, they just dug themselves a hole by hiring that scumbag RichRod. I knew he was no good since his first presser for WVU.

fans are absolutely livid....outraged at the point where UM football is now...it's very dicey

143 CuriousLurker  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:44:00pm

re: #138 SanFranciscoZionist

And cows are holy, and while sheep don't have any formal role as such, they are symbolic in Christianity.

And last I heard, Buddhists don't have any special horror of chickens.

Thank you. It was very pointed aimed in one direction.

144 jaunte  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:44:35pm

re: #121 Stanley Sea

Wow. Wow.

chucktodd Chuck Todd

Surprised too MT @benpolitico: Unusual Perry line: Running to make sure every young man/woman who puts on uniform "respects highly the prez"

I don't think he's doing it right.

"One of the reasons that I’m running for president is I want to make sure that every young man and woman who puts on the uniform of the United States respects highly the president of the United States," he said.
[Link: www.politico.com...]
145 CuriousLurker  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:45:04pm

re: #143 CuriousLurker

Thank you. It was very pointedly aimed in one direction.

PIMF

146 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:45:17pm

re: #133 Alexzander

So did you convince Walter to come back?

it's official, he hates us...
truth be known the issue never came up

147 SidewaysQuark  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:46:09pm

re: #134 SanFranciscoZionist

It is, in fact, always possible to offend MORE people than one already has.

However, the fact that you chose to insult one specific religion doesn't make it acceptable.

Well, I don't personally abide by the silly tenet that it's acceptable to insult a set of ideas only if it doesn't have the label of "religion" smacked on it.

People as a whole should lighten up. A bit of blasphemy is good for the soul.

148 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:46:16pm

re: #106 Stanley Sea

Are Buddhists vege?

Many are. It's not uniform throughout the faith.

Most interesting thing I have learned about Tibetan Buddhism is that while it is sometimes necessary to kill an animal for food (they're not exactly in the grain belt), they believe it's better to kill something big, like a cow, than something small like a fish. More people get fed from one death, instead of from many.

When I first heard this, this boggled my Western mind, and I don't often go around saying "Wow, man, I was like, so enlightened by the cool wisdom of the East, it's like, totally different from the way white people think", because I know people who do, and they're idiots. But I realized that I had this entire hierarchy in my head of people on top, then big carnivorous mammals, then big herbivores, then little mammals, then birds, then fish--and this utterly set that on its ear. It's not the size of the animal or its connection to humanity at all. The lives are all the same size, or at least, the same import.

149 prairiefire  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:46:23pm

re: #140 Stanley Sea

F**k him, condescending jerk.

150 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:46:31pm

re: #96 SidewaysQuark

What's wrong with the comment suggesting one could name a pig "Allah"?

One could also name a sheep "Jesus", a cow "Krishna", a goat "Moses" and a chicken "Buddha" and have a whole "Fundie Farm"!

WTF is your major malfunction? If that's your idea of a joke, it needs the hook...

151 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:47:03pm

re: #111 prairiefire

My Japanese family who are Buddhists are not Vege.

Most of my Chinese Buddhist friends think of vegetarianism as something adopted by elderly people who are becoming more religious in their old age.

152 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:47:24pm

re: #135 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Fantastic. I'm sure you've heard the Grace Jones remake, which isn't too shabby, either.

[Video]

is she fingerbanging herself?

153 prairiefire  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:48:25pm

re: #151 SanFranciscoZionist

Who can turn against some fine, grilled Teriyaki chix?

154 SidewaysQuark  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:48:25pm

re: #150 talon_262

WTF is your major malfunction? If that's your idea of a joke, it needs the hook...

Hey, it got your attention. :-)

155 Alexzander  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:48:33pm

I'm eating a veggie burger right now.

156 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:48:42pm

re: #144 jaunte

I don't think he's doing it right.

Swift Boat Redux. And it worked the first time.

157 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:48:53pm

re: #148 SanFranciscoZionist

My sensei came from an obscure Shinto group that believed that we should only make use of things that have lifespans shorter than us, whenever possible. So they didn't use stone. Metal they had some bizarre workaround for-- like, it'd been changed by the process of smelting it, so while they couldn't mine ore, they could use metal. Kind of convenient, but religion often is.

It meant that they were fine with killing anything that couldn't live past 80, but tortoises were sacrosanct. And most trees were safe, too.

158 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:50:45pm

re: #157 Obdicut

My sensei came from an obscure Shinto group that believed that we should only make use of things that have lifespans shorter than us, whenever possible. So they didn't use stone. Metal they had some bizarre workaround for-- like, it'd been changed by the process of smelting it, so while they couldn't mine ore, they could use metal. Kind of convenient, but religion often is.

It meant that they were fine with killing anything that couldn't live past 80, but tortoises were sacrosanct. And most trees were safe, too.

No doubt they could make paper from hemp, which might have other connections to their philosophy as well.

159 Alexzander  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:51:23pm

re: #157 Obdicut

My sensei came from an obscure Shinto group that believed that we should only make use of things that have lifespans shorter than us, whenever possible. So they didn't use stone. Metal they had some bizarre workaround for-- like, it'd been changed by the process of smelting it, so while they couldn't mine ore, they could use metal. Kind of convenient, but religion often is.

It meant that they were fine with killing anything that couldn't live past 80, but tortoises were sacrosanct. And most trees were safe, too.

Shinto essentially believes in a kind of animism, no? So that makes sense. Do you have a sensei for karate or something else?

160 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:51:43pm

re: #146 albusteve

it's official, he hates us...
truth be known the issue never came up

Oh damn. We thought we were somebody. (I don't think I believe you!)

161 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:51:46pm

re: #158 Shiplord Kirel

No doubt they could make paper from hemp, which might have other connections to their philosophy as well.

Just bamboo and rice paper. Their philosophy also meant that they had little to no proscription against killing other people, which was somewhat jarring.

162 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:52:42pm

re: #159 Alexzander

Shinto essentially believes in a kind of animism, no? So that makes sense. Do you have a sensei for karate or something else?

Jujitsu. And shinto can vary rather widely. This was one o the odder corners of it, especially since they venerated ancestors a lot less than other forms of Shinto. He was an interesting dude.

163 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:53:20pm

re: #139 Obdicut

Er... I'm sorry, but we seem to be constantly talking at cross purposes. My point was that the sort of racism in the South and North was different, and that that actually matters; it takes different efforts to combat different sorts of racism. I don't know understand anything you mean about not having that luxury; obviously you were confronted with whatever sort of racism that you were, but that doesn't obviate that there are demonstrably different forms of racism.

...

Well, that's a rather limited purview.

So they say. But I'm a non-fiction type of gal, never have been since the grade school years when my peers where into Laura Ingalls Wilder and I was into watching broadcast news; sue me. Re the premise of the book you mentioned, f you want to understand the multiplicities of what, I guess for this convo, "racism", then I'm your girl.

To counteract and overcome "racism" of every form found in the US, you must move beyond that old Manichaean "north and south" stereotype. It's good in a certain context, but only goes so far when trying to educate us on our own experience.

164 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:54:06pm

chucktodd Chuck Todd

Perry: "it's one of the areas where Rick and I disagree" on 10th amendment; acknowledges Santorum criticism

165 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:54:14pm

re: #160 Stanley Sea

Oh damn. We thought we were somebody. (I don't think I believe you!)

it's exactly true...he liked posting here at one time but times change...he's very busy with other stuff, like I hope to be in the coming months...about the most unproductive thing I can think of is to post here 12 hours a day

166 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:55:51pm

re: #158 Shiplord Kirel

lol

167 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:56:17pm

re: #152 albusteve

is she fingerbanging herself?

If you really want to know, why not just write her and ask her?

168 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:57:48pm

re: #165 albusteve

OK

169 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:58:04pm

re: #167 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

If you really want to know, why not just write her and ask her?

it's the picture...anyway Ms Jones is relevant to music the same way Pee Wee Herman is relevant to film....gimme a break

170 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:58:44pm

re: #147 SidewaysQuark

Well, I don't personally abide by the silly tenet that it's acceptable to insult a set of ideas only if it doesn't have the label of "religion" smacked on it.

People as a whole should lighten up. A bit of blasphemy is good for the soul.

This comment was coming from someone who, I'm going to hazard a wild guess, does not have much of a sense of humor about their own faith. 'Lighten up' is not a good response to religious bigotry.

171 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:59:23pm

Who Chuck is quoting, unknown as of now

chucktodd Chuck Todd

Bachmann would not enter the building until they had confirmation from staffers INSIDE that the lights had been changed.

172 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:59:27pm

re: #163 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

To counteract and overcome "racism" of every form found in the US, you must move beyond that old Manichaean "north and south" stereotype.

Oh, sorry, you must have misunderstood me. I didn't mean anything like a Manichean division, since I'm comparing two things that are both terribly nasty in their own fashion.

I'm on a diet at the moment and kind of woozy, so I think I may be missing part of what you're saying, or I'm not making myself at all clear.

The struggle for civil rights has been long and multifaceted; this latest moment is just one of many, but it's important to note the specific facets it has. In this case, open racism has become more acceptable, hate groups are swelling in membership (hey-o), and actual legislative racism is back in vogue in a big way.

173 CuriousLurker  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 4:59:40pm

re: #147 SidewaysQuark

Well, I don't personally abide by the silly tenet that it's acceptable to insult a set of ideas only if it doesn't have the label of "religion" smacked on it.

People as a whole should lighten up. A bit of blasphemy is good for the soul.

My parents taught me to show people common courtesy. Apparently, that's an outdated concept if parents are no longer teaching their kids that it's okay to say things like that, regardless of whether it's about religion or some other subject.

I wonder what the reaction would have been if it had been an anti-Semitic screed aimed at Jews and the word "Allah" had been replaced with the Hebrew word for God? Would you still be amused? Would more people have jumped down your throat?

174 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:00:50pm

chucktodd Chuck Todd
Overheard a Bachmann staffer supervising the light change say: "We're a go"

Cutting and pasting a tweet does not necessarily endorse content therof.

175 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:01:00pm

re: #173 CuriousLurker

well, he tried to rewrite it to aim at Jews, but got the animal wrong.

I don't know why, it wasn't hard: just get another pig.

176 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:01:26pm

re: #169 albusteve

it's the picture...

In other words, your own self-generated fantasies.

Congratulations, you're another one who fell for it.

177 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:01:35pm

re: #174 Stanley Sea

chucktodd Chuck Todd
Overheard a Bachmann staffer supervising the light change say: "We're a go"

Cutting and pasting a tweet does not necessarily endorse content therof.

Are they changing all the bulbs to old-fashioned ones, or what?

178 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:02:50pm

re: #175 Obdicut

well, he tried to rewrite it to aim at Jews, but got the animal wrong.

I don't know why, it wasn't hard: just get another pig.

Yeah. Naming a pig by any of the names used for God would take my breath away with the impropriety.

A goat named Moshe, OTOH, probably just belongs a children's petting farm on a kibbutz.

179 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:03:29pm

re: #177 SanFranciscoZionist

Are they changing all the bulbs to old-fashioned ones, or what?

HA HA! I bet!!!

180 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:04:07pm

re: #176 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

In other words, your own self-generated fantasies.

Congratulations, you're another one who fell for it.

I didn't fall for anything...she's got her 'fuck you' finger in her mouth...ahahaha!...very impressive...I suppose you have a literate explanation of the meaning that people like me could never comprehend

181 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:04:17pm

re: #178 SanFranciscoZionist

It just seems kinda dully provocative to me, like that dude who named his restaurant Trayf.

182 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:06:03pm

re: #181 Obdicut

It just seems kinda dully provocative to me, like that dude who named his restaurant Trayf.

Friend of mine once worked for a year or two in Shanghai. When she got back, I asked how the food was, and she said, "Trafyedik-o-rama".

183 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:08:32pm

re: #181 Obdicut

re: #182 SanFranciscoZionist

que?

184 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:08:50pm

re: #172 Obdicut

Oh, sorry, you must have misunderstood me. I didn't mean anything like a Manichean division, since I'm comparing two things that are both terribly nasty in their own fashion.

I'm on a diet at the moment and kind of woozy, so I think I may be missing part of what you're saying, or I'm not making myself at all clear.

The struggle for civil rights has been long and multifaceted; this latest moment is just one of many, but it's important to note the specific facets it has. In this case, open racism has become more acceptable, hate groups are swelling in membership (hey-o), and actual legislative racism is back in vogue in a big way.

More acceptable and "open" in what context - the one that pretends it ever went away/underground/hidden or ever became unfashionable in the first place?

Part of noting those specific facets is the acknowledgment that for the targets, nothing about them acting out their pathological race rage directed at us is new or novel. That includes eliminationist sentiments on internet message boards.

185 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:10:27pm

Michele Bachman up now

chucktodd Chuck Todd

Bachmann says she's going to change her schedule to meet with Pres. Obama when comes to Iowa later this week. @presssec, what say you?

186 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:11:49pm

re: #180 albusteve

I didn't fall for anything...she's got her 'fuck you' finger in her mouth...ahahaha!...very impressive...I suppose you have a literate explanation of the meaning that people like me could never comprehend

Go find something else to work yourself up into a lather about than a Grace Jones video. It's just a video.

If your actual resentment is about me, or of some hurt-feelings grudge having nothing whatsoever to do with a Grace Jones video, just say that, and be done with it.

187 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:12:19pm

Here's another re-tweet. This is rich.

EdMorrissey EdMorrissey
by joshtpm (my edit, from Talking Points Memo)


I can confirm that they changed the lights after Perry finished. Perhaps the original lights cause problems for ppl with migraines?

188 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:12:47pm

re: #183 Stanley Sea

re: #182 SanFranciscoZionist

que?

trayf=not kosher

trayfedik=a Yiddish adjective based on the word

trayfedik-o-rama=an American elaboration indicating 'the food was so not kosher it was like they were kidding'.

189 SidewaysQuark  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:12:58pm

re: #173 CuriousLurker

My parents taught me to show people common courtesy. Apparently, that's an outdated concept if parents are no longer teaching their kids that it's okay to say things like that, regardless of whether it's about religion or some other subject.

Meh, people deserve courtesy. Ideas don't, and religions are just ideas. "Courtesy" for everything is the death of rebellion and the soul.


I wonder what the reaction would have been if it had been an anti-Semitic screed aimed at Jews and the word "Allah" had been replaced with the Hebrew word for God? Would you still be amused? Would more people have jumped down your throat?

Aimed at Jews, no. Jokes about YHWH, yah, equally entertaining. If people take jokes about their deities of choice as personal insults, that's really their personal problem.

190 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:12:59pm

re: #184 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

More acceptable and "open" in what context - the one that pretends it ever went away/underground/hidden or ever became unfashionable in the first place?

It did become unfashionable. It is now more fashionable. Is that where you disagree?

Part of noting those specific facets is the acknowledgment that for the targets, nothing about them acting out their pathological race rage directed at us is new or novel. That includes eliminationist sentiments on internet message boards.

I don't think anyone has ever claimed that it's new or novel, though, so I'm not getting why that needs to be noted that it's not.

191 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:14:40pm

re: #186 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Go find something else to work yourself up into a lather about than a Grace Jones video. It's just a video.

If your actual resentment is about me, or of some hurt-feelings grudge having nothing whatsoever to do with a Grace Jones video, just say that, and be done with it.

I'm not in a lather at all...your imagination deceives you...
try this lady on for size....real talent, not some commercial, radio garbage...thank me later

192 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:15:07pm

re: #188 SanFranciscoZionist

Pork and shrimp dumplings served with barbecued eel.

193 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:15:18pm

re: #190 Obdicut

It did become unfashionable. It is now more fashionable. Is that where you disagree?

I've stated many times what I think about these kinds of expressions. I'm not doing it again.


I don't think anyone has ever claimed that it's new or novel, though, so I'm not getting why that needs to be noted that it's not.

It's not new to us.

194 jaunte  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:15:31pm

re: #187 Stanley Sea

Here's another re-tweet. This is rich.

EdMorrissey EdMorrissey
by joshtpm (my edit, from Talking Points Memo)

I can confirm that they changed the lights after Perry finished. Perhaps the original lights cause problems for ppl with migraines?

HMI Diva-Light [Link: www.kinoflo.com...]

195 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:16:06pm

re: #189 SidewaysQuark

Meh, people deserve courtesy. Ideas don't, and religions are just ideas. "Courtesy" for everything is the death of rebellion and the soul.

Aimed at Jews, no. Jokes about YHWH, yah, equally entertaining. If people take jokes about their deities of choice as personal insults, that's really their personal problem.

Aside from the basic "I can make fun of religions because they're just ideas" thing, which I don't agree with, do you really not believe that, in the context in which it was written, that was meant as an attack on Muslims, not a lighthearted commentary on the silliness of religion?

Bear in mind that it was appended to a hatefest against Muslims in response to an article about people starving to death in East Africa.

I don't see much reason to think that the writer is not a plain old bigot.

196 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:16:25pm

re: #192 Obdicut

Pork and shrimp dumplings served with barbecued eel.

man, that sounds delicious

197 windsagio  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:17:10pm

pff I love saying the south is evil. of course so is the east so...

Also people always say they're not mad when they're called on it, its the main tip you're on the right course :p

198 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:17:21pm

re: #191 albusteve

I'm not in a lather at all...your imagination deceives you...
try this lady on for size...real talent, not some commercial, radio garbage...thank me later

[Video]

Yeah, something to prove, as usual.

All you have to do to find real talent, uncommercial, non-Grace Jones is go to your nearest storefront church in your nearest hood on any Sunday or Wednesday night, and just listen.

199 windsagio  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:18:07pm

re: #198 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I like old warbly lutherans myself ><

200 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:20:30pm

re: #198 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yeah, something to prove, as usual.

All you have to do to find real talent, uncommercial, non-Grace Jones is go to your nearest storefront church in your nearest hood on any Sunday or Wednesday night, and just listen.

I have no problem finding talent, but thanks anyway

201 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:20:51pm

re: #199 windsagio

I like old warbly lutherans myself ><

Them, too!

And some of those shape note peeps have got some serious pipes.

202 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:22:20pm

re: #200 albusteve

I have no problem finding talent, but thanks anyway

This conversation has nothing to do wiht your personal judge of talent.

203 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:22:54pm

re: #193 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I've stated many times what I think about these kinds of expressions. I'm not doing it again.

Okay then.

It's not new to us.

That really doesn't make much sense as a response to what I said. I don't think it's new or novel to anyone.

If all you're saying is that people who are subject to racism tend to be more aware of it than people who aren't, then, well, yeah. Most Jews know the old Jewish stereotypes and such even when they're kind of dormant-- it's one reason the anti-Muslim bullshit has been funny (in a sad way), because so many of the charges being laid against them are recycled anti-Semitic ones.

204 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:23:32pm

re: #202 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

This conversation has nothing to do wiht your personal judge of talent.

who cares...get smart
Koko Taylor

205 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:26:09pm

re: #203 Obdicut

If all you're saying is that people who are subject to racism tend to be more aware of it than people who aren't, then, well, yeah.

Well, that wasn't what I was saying.

What's the issue with what I have been saying?

206 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:27:07pm

re: #204 albusteve

who cares...

As the person desperate to prove something or other, you care.

207 Alexzander  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:27:35pm

Everyone relax and listen to some Master Muscians of Bukkake.

Prophecy of the White Camel / Namoutarre

208 CuriousLurker  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:28:55pm

re: #189 SidewaysQuark

Meh, people deserve courtesy. Ideas don't, and religions are just ideas. "Courtesy" for everything is the death of rebellion and the soul.

Aimed at Jews, no. Jokes about YHWH, yah, equally entertaining. If people take jokes about their deities of choice as personal insults, that's really their personal problem.

Right, Charles pointed out the comments as vile & racist becuase they were just about ideas, they weren't bigoted comments aimed at people.

Do you make those kinds of "jokes" in real life social situations? Somehow I doubt it as it would quickly become your problem, not just the listener's.

Your parents must be very proud of you. //

209 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:29:04pm

re: #205 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Well, that wasn't what I was saying.

What's the issue with what I have been saying?

Well, aside from some misperceptions you have about what I've been saying-- like the Manichean thing-- I think (thought I can't really tell) that I'm disagreeing on whether or not racism has gotten more publicly acceptable recently. This is entirely separate from whether it's acceptable to do to someone when you can get away with it.

But I still don't really think I understand what you're saying. What you've written tonight has been a little more impenetrable than your normal stuff, or I'm a little less penetrating.

210 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:29:49pm

re: #189 SidewaysQuark

Is the problem that you just don't get why it would be a pig?

211 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:31:40pm

re: #206 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

As the person desperate to prove something or other, you care.

desperate is stranded in a killer snowstorm...not posting music vids to enlighten folks...this is easy
check out this woman

212 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:34:40pm

re: #189 SidewaysQuark

Meh, people deserve courtesy. Ideas don't, and religions are just ideas. "Courtesy" for everything is the death of rebellion and the soul.

Aimed at Jews, no. Jokes about YHWH, yah, equally entertaining. If people take jokes about their deities of choice as personal insults, that's really their personal problem.

There's a difference between telling a religious joke and those, like the Fox commentors, being complete bigots.

Jesus, Mohammed and Krishna walk into a bar...

213 SidewaysQuark  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:35:41pm

re: #195 SanFranciscoZionist


I don't see much reason to think that the writer is not a plain old bigot.

I'd personally want to see the poster's past record of comments before drawing that conclusion.

214 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:37:47pm

re: #188 SanFranciscoZionist

trayfedik-o-rama=an American elaboration indicating 'the food was so not kosher it was like they were kidding'.

Bacon wrapped lobster tail with hollandaise.

215 SidewaysQuark  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:38:17pm

re: #208 CuriousLurker

Right, Charles pointed out the comments as vile & racist becuase they were just about ideas, they weren't bigoted comments aimed at people.

Well, it is conceivable Charles made a mistake.


Do you make those kinds of "jokes" in real life social situations? Somehow I doubt it as it would quickly become your problem, not just the listener's.

Depends on the situation and the company.


Your parents must be very proud of you. //

Your parents must not be very proud of you. [Is this the reply you were fishing for? I'm unsure...]

216 SidewaysQuark  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:39:04pm

re: #212 Varek Raith

There's a difference between telling a religious joke and those, like the Fox commentors, being complete bigots.

Jesus, Mohammed and Krishna walk into a bar...

Now we're talking! :-D

217 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:39:32pm

re: #215 SidewaysQuark

Seriously: Do you get why using a pig as your animal for Muslims, and a goat for Jews, is not at all equivalent?

218 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:41:01pm

re: #217 Obdicut

Seriously: Do you get why using a pig as your animal for Muslims, and a goat for Jews, is not at all equivalent?

Ok, now I see what this is all about.
Whoops.

219 SidewaysQuark  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:41:23pm

re: #210 Obdicut

Is the problem that you just don't get why it would be a pig?

Maybe. Personally, I think pigs are rather divine animals. Intelligent, cute when they're babies, efficiently omnivorous, and make absolutely succulent dishes for dinner. I can't see why God would find it preferable to come in the form of a bipedal ape rather than a such a magnificent swine....

220 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:42:09pm

re: #219 SidewaysQuark

You appear to just be trolling.

Boring.

221 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:43:00pm

re: #219 SidewaysQuark

Maybe. Personally, I think pigs are rather divine animals. Intelligent, cute when they're babies, efficiently omnivorous, and make absolutely succulent dishes for dinner. I can't see why God would find it preferable to come in the form of a bipedal ape rather than a such a magnificent swine...

me thinks you are one

222 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:44:14pm

re: #209 Obdicut

Well, aside from some misperceptions you have about what I've been saying-- like the Manichean thing-- I think (thought I can't really tell) that I'm disagreeing on whether or not racism has gotten more publicly acceptable recently. This is entirely separate from whether it's acceptable to do to someone when you can get away with it.

But I still don't really think I understand what you're saying. What you've written tonight has been a little more impenetrable than your normal stuff, or I'm a little less penetrating.

Nothing I've written has been any different than anything else in related threads, so I don't see the problem you're having.

The "Manichaeian" comment was in response to something you brought up on your own, in your own words a "crude" north/south difference on racial attitudes. Manichaeian is a nice term. Lazy thinking is a better one.

You have a background in northern CA yourself, where your father was discriminated against. So I see no reason for the disconnect.

When you are that "someone" they do it to, it's not a separate issue from "when you can get away with it" at all, not on a personal level, and not regarding any other numerical minority, either. That's abstracted thinking.

223 SidewaysQuark  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:46:13pm

re: #221 albusteve

me thinks you are one

You think I'm a god? Well I'm flattered, but I personally wouldn't want the responsibility.

224 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:46:21pm

re: #211 albusteve

check out this woman

In your world, does she have a name?

225 SidewaysQuark  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:47:28pm

re: #220 Obdicut

You appear to just be trolling.

Boring.

Well you are entitled to both think incorrectly about my intent and to be bored - that's what makes America great!

226 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:47:38pm

I just watched Rango. It was just like Despereaux, only uglier critters and more Suck.

227 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:48:17pm

re: #223 SidewaysQuark

You think I'm a god? Well I'm flattered, but I personally wouldn't want the responsibility.

no, I think you are a pig...
obviously you have comprehension problems, same as pigs

228 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:48:58pm

re: #225 SidewaysQuark

Well you are entitled to both think incorrectly about my intent and to be bored - that's what makes America great!

America, ftw.

[spins noisemaker in the air, yawns]

229 CuriousLurker  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:50:52pm

re: #220 Obdicut

You appear to just be trolling.

Boring.

Yep, definitely trolling. Time to start scrolling past the comments.

230 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:50:58pm

re: #222 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

The "Manichaeian" comment was in response to something you brought up on your own, in your own words a "crude" north/south difference on racial attitudes. Manichaeian is a nice term. Lazy thinking is a better one.

Er, then you don't understand what Manichaeian means. It's not just about any division; it needs to relate to a (heh) light/dark division, a necessary and twinned struggle between dually matched, cocreative forces. It doesn't just mean any two things that you're comparing.


You have a background in northern CA yourself, where your father was discriminated against. So I see no reason for the disconnect.

Grandfather.

When you are that "someone" they do it to, it's not a separate issue from "when you can get away with it" at all, not on a personal level, and not regarding any other numerical minority, either.

Really, that sentence doesn't make any sense no matter how many times I read it. I'll assume the problem is me.

All I'm saying is that tolerance of racism in the public venue has increased. That doesn't at all relate to individual acts of racism. It really is a separate issue, since the racism in the public venue isn't actually directed against people in particular.

I've certainly experienced my share of anti-Jew racism, even though I 'pass' just fine. But Glenn Beck's propagandizing of anti-Semitic authors is a lot more worrying to me than an idiot in Southie calling me a Jewboy.

Moreover, the anti-Arab racism is certainly at a new, vicious height, one higher than it's ever been, even immediately post 9/11. Anti-Muslim, as well, of course.

231 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:51:20pm

re: #224 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

In your world, does she have a name?

she has a name in anybody's world....
bizarre question

232 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:53:10pm

re: #231 albusteve

she has a name in anybody's world...
bizarre question

Tell me what else you have to prove about your music knowledge.

233 jamesfirecat  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:53:26pm

///Oh Fox news don't ever change...

(Except for the day you go out of business)

234 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:56:16pm

re: #225 SidewaysQuark

Well you are entitled to both think incorrectly about my intent and to be bored - that's what makes America great!

Well, do you get why using a goat for the Jewish animal and a pig for the Muslim one are not equivalent, or not?

It's pretty simple: The pig, in the Muslim tradition, is an 'unclean' animal. The goat, in Jewish tradition, is not. So your fundamentalist zoo is going to baffle Jews, Christians, Buddhists, but offend Muslims and Krishans. Krishni?

235 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:56:40pm

re: #232 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Tell me what else you have to prove about your music knowledge.

Etta James is common knowledge, not mine...
posting vids doesn't prove anything, where did you get that idea?...if you don't enjoy Etta, I'm sure she's crushed...it ain't no thing

236 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:57:36pm

re: #189 SidewaysQuark

Meh, people deserve courtesy. Ideas don't, and religions are just ideas. "Courtesy" for everything is the death of rebellion and the soul.

Aimed at Jews, no. Jokes about YHWH, yah, equally entertaining. If people take jokes about their deities of choice as personal insults, that's really their personal problem.

If people react badly to you because you are a dick, then that's your problem.

237 SidewaysQuark  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:58:11pm

re: #227 albusteve

no, I think you are a pig...
obviously you have comprehension problems, same as pigs

Well, if you honestly think I am a pig, I'd say you have problems understanding basic mammalian body structure and physiology.

But baby pigs sure are cute, don't ya think?

238 Amory Blaine  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 5:59:05pm

Hmm can't seem to find the comments for the link. Maybe they took them down?

239 Kragar  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:00:19pm

re: #220 Obdicut

You appear to just be trolling.

Boring.

Image: memes_cant_tell_if_trolling_Memebase_35-s388x512-179356.jpg

240 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:01:19pm
241 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:01:32pm

OK, I'm back. From the GOP dinner or whatever, via Chuck Todd

chucktodd Chuck Todd

Bachmann campaign said the candidate was joking about changing her sked to meet POTUS when he comes to Iowa. Sorry @presssec

242 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:04:03pm

re: #237 SidewaysQuark


Actually, unless you eat the cow, it won't offend Krishnas. It'd actually please them.

So yeah, the only group your fundie zoo would offend is Muslims.

Was that your intention?

243 SidewaysQuark  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:06:41pm

re: #242 Obdicut

Actually, unless you eat the cow, it won't offend Krishnas. It'd actually please them.

So yeah, the only group your fundie zoo would offend is Muslims.

Was that your intention?

No. Next time I'll eat the cow to make everyone feel better.

244 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:06:49pm

re: #182 SanFranciscoZionist

Friend of mine once worked for a year or two in Shanghai. When she got back, I asked how the food was, and she said, "Trafyedik-o-rama".

Just wait, some boychik in the hipster block of Williamsburg will open a new hip (oh so kewl!) restaurant with that name, and "The Forward" will be first in line for a table at the grand opening.

245 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:09:14pm

re: #243 SidewaysQuark

No. Next time I'll eat the cow to make everyone feel better.

Well, that really wouldn't fix the problem.

So, you see, your joke fell flat because you're kind of ignorant about what you're trying to mock; it's hard to poke fun at something when you don't really have a grasp of it.

If you're attempting to mock sacred (or profane) animals, make sure that what you're talking about is actually a sacred or profane animals, or you just wind up seeming ignorant and possibly bigoted.

246 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:09:46pm

re: #244 Alouette

Just wait, some boychik in the hipster block of Williamsburg will open a new hip (oh so kewl!) restaurant with that name, and "The Forward" will be first in line for a table at the grand opening.

Yeah, I know, already been done, but somebody's just gotta do it again, better! Because, you know, hipness!

247 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:10:06pm

re: #243 SidewaysQuark

No. Next time I'll eat the cow to make everyone feel better.

Just eat yourself.

248 Achilles Tang  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:10:32pm

re: #240 albusteve

Perhaps you've said already, but how was Walter doing?

249 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:10:54pm

re: #230 Obdicut

Er, then you don't understand what Manichaeian means

I used it because I do understand what it means.

Part of the folly of Manichaeian thinking is the idea that there are two sides.

There are far more than just two sides in anti-Black sentiment and practice. North and South ... "crude" is a euphemism.

Grandfather.

All I'm saying is that tolerance of racism in the public venue has increased. That doesn't at all relate to individual acts of racism. It really is a separate issue, since the racism in the public venue isn't actually directed against people in particular.

I've certainly experienced my share of anti-Jew racism, even though I 'pass' just fine.

And if you didn't so-called "pass"?

Pass for what?

But Glenn Beck's propagandizing of anti-Semitic authors is a lot more worrying to me than an idiot in Southie calling me a Jewboy.

Yeah see, "Southie" references tell me you really do have to rethink those crude ideas about north vs south racism.

Southie in the 70s made the south look like Marlo Thomas, Free to be You and Me CD reprints at Amoeba Records in 1998.

Moreover, the anti-Arab racism is certainly at a new, vicious height, one higher than it's ever been, even immediately post 9/11. Anti-Muslim, as well, of course.

Well, this is true. And complicating matters is the bigot's conflation of goosesteppers like Farrakhan with all us blkx who look alike to them. No, that is not a gratuitous reference.

It's further complicated by not enough people smacking down the Farrakhans of the world.

One issue there is people like Herman Cain, who have an axe to grind against Muslims in general based on Christian-supremacist views. Few Black people are dumb enough to throw in with Christian-supremacist because we know what that means.

250 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:11:42pm

Donna the Buffalo
roots stuff

251 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:12:16pm

re: #235 albusteve

Etta James is common knowledge, not mine..

You're the one referring to Etta James as "this woman", in an effort to use her as a bat to beat someone else.

Issue's with you. Place is dead. Future is now.

252 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:13:51pm

re: #248 Naso Tang

Perhaps you've said already, but how was Walter doing?

doing fine, very content...writing code again, no more King Supers...
back into theater, family guy

253 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:15:01pm

re: #251 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

You're the one referring to Etta James as "this woman", in an effort to use her as a bat to beat someone else.

Issue's with you. Place is dead. Future is now.

using Etta James as a bat?
whoa

254 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:16:05pm

re: #211 albusteve

desperate is stranded in a killer snowstorm...not posting music vids to enlighten folks...this is easy
check out this woman

[Video]

Lol why do you think posting music vids is a contest?

What do you think you are going to win?

255 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:16:19pm

re: #249 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Part of the folly of Manichaeian thinking is the idea that there are two sides.

No, that's really not a good description of Manichean thinking at all. It really has to do with those sides being aligned against each other in a symmetric way. I'm sorry, but saying that comparing a Northern and Southern aspect of racism is Manichean thinking is in no way, shape, or form correct. It might have some vague semblance of sense if I was claiming that the North was awesome on race relations and the South sucked-- but I wasn't.

And if you didn't so-called "pass"?

Pass for what?

For non-Jewish. I'd have gotten more ant-Jewish racism if more people were able to visually tell I was Jewish, easily.

Yeah see, "Southie" references tell me you really do have to rethink those crude ideas about north vs south racism.

Er... I think you took the 'crude' comment in exactly the opposite way that it was intended.

Southie in the 70s made the south look like Marlo Thomas, Free to be You and Me CD reprints at Amoeba Records in 1998.

That's nice. Doesn't have anything to do with what I was talking about, though.

And complicating matters is the bigot's conflation of goosesteppers like Farrakhan with all us blkx who look alike to them. No, that is not a gratuitous reference.

The black dude with the skullcap who got hassled at the 9/11 site was a good example of that. People assumed he was Muslim because he had a small hat on, and was black.


It's further complicated by not enough people smacking down the Farrakhans of the world.

His house is really ugly.

256 Achilles Tang  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:16:37pm

re: #252 albusteve

Good. I was imagining practicing being a curmudgeon in front of a mirror with a bottle of whiskey.

257 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:16:55pm

chucktodd Chuck Todd
Anecdotal but the folks I talked to leaving the dinner seemed to lean Perry over Bachmann but hedged as Iowans do saying #tooearly to decide

I thought they were just eating their filet still. Apparently it's over.

PERRY PERRY PERRY betcha

258 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:17:54pm

re: #253 albusteve

using Etta James as a bat?
whoa

Talent: any Sunday morning, any storefront church, in any neighborhood you look down on.

259 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:18:04pm

re: #256 Naso Tang

I love the title of this blog:

[Link: sensuouscurmudgeon.wordpress.com...]

260 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:18:34pm

re: #256 Naso Tang

Good. I was imagining practicing being a curmudgeon in front of a mirror with a bottle of whiskey.

he doesn't drink, smoke, nor play games of chance...praise the lord

261 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:19:05pm

re: #257 Stanley Sea

chucktodd Chuck Todd
Anecdotal but the folks I talked to leaving the dinner seemed to lean Perry over Bachmann but hedged as Iowans do saying #tooearly to decide

I thought they were just eating their filet still. Apparently it's over.

PERRY PERRY PERRY betcha

Perry is next in the Texas hierarchy. But Romney is next in the DC Good Ol' Boy hierarchy. It'll be interesting, if disturbing on a very deep level, to see how that conservative choice pans out.

262 albusteve  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:20:32pm

re: #258 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Talent: any Sunday morning, any storefront church, in any neighborhood you look down on.

I don't look down at neighborhoods...my hood is about as ramshackle as it gets...come visit me, write a book

263 laZardo  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:23:31pm

Went out for a walk down Pike Place Market way. Got one of those blended cream things from The First Starbucks (and yes, there was a line that went past the sidewalk) and then happened to walk into one of those "counter-culture" book stores.

Realizing what kind of product I held in my hand, I slowly backed away.

...

So how's your evening?

264 Achilles Tang  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:24:19pm

re: #259 Obdicut

I love the title of this blog:

[Link: sensuouscurmudgeon.wordpress.com...]

Good reading. I've bookmarked it, next to pharyngula.

265 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:24:31pm

re: #263 laZardo

A narrow escape.

266 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:24:42pm

re: #263 laZardo

Went out for a walk down Pike Place Market way. Got one of those blended cream things from The First Starbucks (and yes, there was a line that went past the sidewalk) and then happened to walk into one of those "counter-culture" book stores.

Realizing what kind of product I held in my hand, I slowly backed away.

...

So how's your evening?

ahh pike place!

is the place with the little doughnuts still there? How about the voodoo curio shop? That's where I grew up, would bomb around Pike Place as a teenager ^^

267 Achilles Tang  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:26:04pm

re: #260 albusteve

he doesn't drink, smoke, nor play games of chance nor praise the lord

268 jaunte  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:26:46pm

re: #259 Obdicut

I think the Curmudgeon was commenting here for awhile.

269 laZardo  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:28:30pm

re: #265 Obdicut

A narrow escape.

And the blended cream cup will make a fine token of my survival pencil holder.

270 laZardo  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:30:44pm

re: #266 WindUpBird

ahh pike place!

is the place with the little doughnuts still there? How about the voodoo curio shop? That's where I grew up, would bomb around Pike Place as a teenager ^^

Not sure. Most of them were closed being Sunday evening and all.

271 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:31:42pm

re: #255 Obdicut

I'm sorry, but saying that comparing a Northern and Southern aspect of racism is Manichean thinking is in no way, shape, or form correct.

Because you insist it's so, then it's so. No, that does not make it so.

There's more to American "racism" than the north/south dualism. Now's your chance to explain yourself on the "crude" comment, since you evidently believe I'm too dull to have caught what you originally mean.

So yes, go ahead once again, and tell me how to properly understand and interpret today's shytty race relations. Pretend I'm someone who looks just like you.

Go.

For non-Jewish. I'd have gotten more ant-Jewish racism if more people were able to visually tell I was Jewish, easily.

Well, according to those people's own f'ed up stereotypes, anyway.

That's nice. Doesn't have anything to do with what I was talking about, though.

Southie was no picnic in the park in the 70s, especially for Black students. This is a fact, nice or not.

The black dude with the skullcap who got hassled at the 9/11 site was a good example of that. People assumed he was Muslim because he had a small hat on, and was black.

His house is really ugly.

He's not so great looking himself, though I'm sure he's been convinced otherwise.

272 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:33:46pm

re: #262 albusteve

I don't look down at neighborhoods...my hood is about as ramshackle as it gets...come visit me, write a book

I would, but it's just too hot where you live.

My cousin in Madison, FL can't get me to visit her for the same reason.

273 SidewaysQuark  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:34:18pm

re: #245 Obdicut

Well, that really wouldn't fix the problem.

So, you see, your joke fell flat because you're kind of ignorant about what you're trying to mock; it's hard to poke fun at something when you don't really have a grasp of it.

Well, it's hard to rebut a passing comment when you don't really have a grasp of its intent. It was a passing flippant comment, not a master's thesis on comparative religions.


If you're attempting to mock sacred (or profane) animals, make sure that what you're talking about is actually a sacred or profane animals, or you just wind up seeming ignorant and possibly bigoted.

Well, caring about political correctness isn't really my strong point. In fact, it's not really a skill I care to hone at all. Life's too short to worry about such trivialities.

274 laZardo  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:37:02pm
275 Alexzander  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:37:05pm

re: #263 laZardo

Went out for a walk down Pike Place Market way. Got one of those blended cream things from The First Starbucks (and yes, there was a line that went past the sidewalk) and then happened to walk into one of those "counter-culture" book stores.

Realizing what kind of product I held in my hand, I slowly backed away.

...

So how's your evening?

Some of my friends 'work' at that bookstore. Not even kidding.

276 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:38:04pm

re: #271 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

There's more to American "racism" than the north/south dualism.

Well, the North and South thing isn't a dualism-- especially not a Manichean one. That's what I meant by 'crude'-- as in, even though it's a mass over-generalization, one can very crudely say that racism in the South was more (but just more) violent than in the north, with the number of lynchings and other murders much higher, and in the North was less violent, and more ostracism, ghettoization, et al.

So, the approach to combating racism when what you're dealing with is, say, a silent conspiracy not to rent houses in an area to blacks and Jews, and when what you're dealing with is guys driving up to the house of a black man who looked at a white woman and shooting him, is going to be different.

So yes, go ahead once again, and tell me how to properly understand and interpret today's shytty race relations. Pretend I'm someone who looks just like you.

No thanks. I'll just explain my own interpretation. I'm under no delusion I'm the Master of Race who can interpret this cloudy water perfectly.

I really have no idea what you're on about at this point. You really seem like you're having an argument with an entirely different person, someone who thinks that the North was pure and good in race relations and the South was evil and terrible (which is what it would be if it were a Manichean division).

Well, according to those people's own f'ed up stereotypes, anyway.

Yes, and according to stuff like traditional Jewish dress, which really isn't often worn by non-Jews.

Southie was no picnic in the park in the 70s, especially for Black students. This is a fact, nice or not.

Um, yes. I know. It's still not a picnic. That was kind of my point.

277 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:38:57pm

re: #273 SidewaysQuark

Well, caring about political correctness isn't really my strong point. In fact, it's not really a skill I care to hone at all. Life's too short to worry about such trivialities.


You realize this basically just reads as "I don't care if I'm an asshole, deal with it, lol", right?

278 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:39:26pm

Mmm. Just got back from Le Burger King of off 101. Tomorrow! Wal-Mart for some coffee. Mongo like Whopper. Buy one get one free.

279 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:43:30pm

re: #278 Gus 802

But Mongo just pawn in game of life.

280 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:46:10pm

re: #276 Obdicut

Well, the North and South thing isn't a dualism-- especially not a Manichean one. That's what I meant by 'crude'-- as in, even though it's a mass over-generalization, one can very crudely say that racism in the South was more (but just more) violent than in the north, with the number of lynchings and other murders much higher, and in the North was less violent, and more ostracism, ghettoization, et al.

So, the approach to combating racism when what you're dealing with is, say, a silent conspiracy not to rent houses in an area to blacks and Jews, and when what you're dealing with is guys driving up to the house of a black man who looked at a white woman and shooting him, is going to be different.

Those conditions can exist simultaneously against all three parties, in the same locale, regardless of region. The violence against each is every bit as visceral.

If you're in doubt, ask any Asian-American with roots in Washington State.

You really seem like you're having an argument with an entirely different person, someone who thinks that the North was pure and good in race relations and the South was evil and terrible (which is what it would be if it were a Manichean division).

Lol silly invention, and hyperbole, in order to win an argument on the internet.

Race Troubles in America™ isn't limited to just north/south. I've been saying this for what, 45 minutes, now?

t's still not a picnic. That was kind of my point.

What's your problem with what I've been saying for that past two hours?

Why did you have an issue to begin with?

281 laZardo  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:46:23pm

re: #275 Alexzander

Some of my friends 'work' at that bookstore. Not even kidding.

Well dang, maybe I could've gotten them to show some mercy.

/ q;

282 Alexzander  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:46:23pm

re: #274 laZardo

Are you visisting Seattle or do you live here?

OT: Just realized I have a good view of some kind of police encounter outside my window. Wonder whats up.

283 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:46:40pm

re: #279 Obdicut

But Mongo just pawn in game of life.

Indeed I am. Literally. Gotta leave town in about 2 weeks. Nowhere to go yet. Will likely head back to Denver. Not sure yet. I'm one of those last minute people as you probably could tell by now. ;)

284 laZardo  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:47:13pm

re: #282 Alexzander

Are you visisting Seattle or do you live here?

OT: Just realized I have a good view of some kind of police encounter outside my window. Wonder whats up.

Moved here a couple weeks ago. Taking a job to get adjusted while waiting for college to print diploma (which thanks to me fucking up my "subject track" isn't for another two months.)

285 The Curmudgeon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:48:13pm

re: #268 jaunte

I think the Curmudgeon was commenting here for awhile.

I was, but the downdings got to me.

286 laZardo  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:48:39pm

Subliminal:

287 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:48:53pm

re: #272 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I would, but it's just too hot where you live.

My cousin in Madison, FL can't get me to visit her for the same reason.

I've been through ABQ lately. It may be hot there, but it's a lot more tolerable there than here at home in Nashville, with temps just as high, but with much higher humidity.

/it's all about the "dry heat"

288 Alexzander  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:49:20pm

re: #281 laZardo

Well dang, maybe I could've gotten them to show some mercy.

/ q;

Were they mean? It can be a pretty unfriendly subculture.
And nah I dont hold any sway there. Not wearing enough black heh.

289 b_sharp  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:49:37pm

re: #259 Obdicut

I love the title of this blog:

[Link: sensuouscurmudgeon.wordpress.com...]

Curmy is the reason I'm here.

290 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:49:41pm

re: #280 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Those conditions can exist simultaneously against all three parties, in the same locale, regardless of region. The violence against each is every bit as visceral.

Sure. But literally, in actual fact, there was more violence in the South towards blacks. When different kinds of racism are around, different tactics are necessary to defeat them.


Race Troubles in America™ isn't limited to just north/south. I've been saying this for what, 45 minutes, now?

Do you really, actually not understand that I'm saying the same thing?

And you're really back to the 'you're just trying to win an argument on the internet' thing?

Tell you what: You can instantly 'win' from now on just by saying that. It's going to instantly make me stop talking to you for the rest of that thread.

291 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:49:42pm

re: #276 Obdicut

Well, the North and South thing isn't a dualism-- especially not a Manichean one. That's what I meant by 'crude'-- as in, even though it's a mass over-generalization, one can very crudely say that racism in the South was more (but just more) violent than in the north, with the number of lynchings and other murders much higher, and in the North was less violent, and more ostracism, ghettoization, et al.

Manichaeian error.

292 b_sharp  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:50:15pm

re: #268 jaunte

I think the Curmudgeon was commenting here for awhile.

Indeed.

293 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:51:10pm

re: #292 b_sharp

Indeed.

Pssst. See #285.

294 laZardo  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:51:32pm

re: #288 Alexzander

Were they mean? It can be a pretty unfriendly subculture.
And nah I dont hold any sway there. Not wearing enough black heh.

I hung around the shelves near the front of the store before I noticed a Starbucks sign spray-painted with a big red 'X'. That was my cue to skedaddle.

295 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:52:25pm

re: #287 talon_262

I've been through ABQ lately. It may be hot there, but it's a lot more tolerable there than here at home in Nashville, with temps just as high, but with much higher humidity.

/it's all about the "dry heat"

Oh, I know about the dry heat; I grew up in semidesert soCA.

Dry heat, wet heat, bottom line is, right now it's the middle of August, almost 7PM, and about 64 degrees. Will get down to maybe 53, and high tomorrow will be around 78 at the highest.

Yes, I have gotten very, very spoiled.

296 Alexzander  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:53:18pm

re: #284 laZardo

Moved here a couple weeks ago. Taking a job to get adjusted while waiting for college to print diploma (which thanks to me fucking up my "subject track" isn't for another two months.)

Cool - I've been here almost a year (this time around). Are you in computer programming? I'm not and that seems to hurt my ability to find fulltime employment in this city.

297 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:54:06pm

re: #295 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Oh, I know about the dry heat; I grew up in semidesert soCA.

Where in SoCal?

298 Achilles Tang  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:54:17pm

re: #262 albusteve

I don't look down at neighborhoods...my hood is about as ramshackle as it gets...come visit me, write a book

I look down on some neighborhoods, and I suspect you would too if you saw them or owned property that nobody wants to rent, because of the neighbors.

Ramshackle has an entirely different connotation.

299 b_sharp  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:55:14pm

re: #285 The Curmudgeon

I was, but the downdings got to me.

What downdings.

300 laZardo  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:55:52pm

re: #296 Alexzander

Cool - I've been here almost a year (this time around). Are you in computer programming? I'm not and that seems to hurt my ability to find fulltime employment in this city.

Industrial Design. It's supposed to be product/furniture/gadget design but apparently here it refers to design for the industrial fields.

301 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:55:55pm

re: #266 WindUpBird

ahh pike place!

is the place with the little doughnuts still there? How about the voodoo curio shop? That's where I grew up, would bomb around Pike Place as a teenager ^^

Seattle right? I've been as a tourist 3 times. Loved it, and hated it that I wasn't in the position to carry armfills of fresh flowers and fresh seafood home to my flat.

302 b_sharp  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 6:56:11pm

re: #293 Gus 802

Pssst. See #285.

Pssst. OK.

303 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:02:16pm

re: #273 SidewaysQuark

Well, it's hard to rebut a passing comment when you don't really have a grasp of its intent. It was a passing flippant comment, not a master's thesis on comparative religions.

Well, caring about political correctness isn't really my strong point. In fact, it's not really a skill I care to hone at all. Life's too short to worry about such trivialities.

It's not really about "PC". Naming a pig 'Allah' cannot be read as anything but a deliberate slap at Muslims. It's something people should be free to do, but when they do it they're being ugly and insulting.

304 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:03:01pm

re: #285 The Curmudgeon

I was, but the downdings got to me.

Well, glad to see you pop in anyway.

305 jaunte  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:03:12pm

Vet ID holders cannot vote?


Ann McGeehan, director of the Secretary of State's elections division, said last week at a seminar in Austin that photo ID cards issued by the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs are not acceptable forms of military ID to vote, according to a recording provided by the Texas Democratic Party.
....
Passed after Gov. Rick Perry declared voter ID an emergency issue in the last session, the strict bill is touted by Republicans as a way to reduce voter fraud but decried by Democrats as an effort to lower voter turnout among minorities and the elderly, disabled and poor.
[Link: www.mysanantonio.com...]
306 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:03:45pm

re: #291 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

BTW, where in NC are your parents from? My mother is from North Carolina.

307 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:04:02pm

re: #303 Dark_Falcon

It's not really about "PC". Naming a pig 'Allah' cannot be read as anything but a deliberate slap at Muslims. It's something people should be free to do, but when they do it they're being ugly and insulting.

What's wrong with being insulting? I named my cat "Tubby" cuz he's fat.

308 laZardo  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:05:21pm

re: #307 Mr Pancakes

What's wrong with being insulting? I named my cat "Tubby" cuz he's fat.

Insulting is a fine art when done right. :3

309 Alexzander  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:05:41pm

re: #307 Mr Pancakes

What's wrong with being insulting? I named my cat "Tubby" cuz he's fat.

Some insults are simply disrespectful. A certain pancakes example comes to mind.

310 SidewaysQuark  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:06:12pm

re: #303 Dark_Falcon

It's not really about "PC". Naming a pig 'Allah' cannot be read as anything but a deliberate slap at Muslims. It's something people should be free to do, but when they do it they're being ugly and insulting.

It's a slap at Islam, not Muslims. Like I said, I have no issue with insulting or mocking or poking fun at religions, which are just sets of ideas. All the great religions of the world deserve a major deliberate "slap" now and again.

311 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:06:28pm

re: #309 Alexzander

Some insults are simply disrespectful. A certain pancakes example comes to mind.

Oh... please explain what you mean?

312 jaunte  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:06:53pm

re: #308 laZardo

Needs a litotic touch.

313 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:07:03pm

re: #290 Obdicut

Sure. But literally, in actual fact, there was more violence in the South towards blacks. When different kinds of racism are around, different tactics are necessary to defeat them.

Really? Wow. You know? After my people being 500+ years on this continent I've never considered that before right now.

And you're really back to the 'you're just trying to win an argument on the internet' thing?

Tell you what: You can instantly 'win' from now on just by saying that. It's going to instantly make me stop talking to you for the rest of that thread.

Lol what in any of my posts has suggested to you I want you to stop talking to me?

I'm not sure how many times I have to state it but here goes time number seven hundred and eighty two. We don't need anyone to interpret the various regional, temporal, legal, social, personal, impersonal, general, specific, online and offline forms and iterations of anti-Black racism for us, since we deal with it directly.

Having to say so multiple times is in itself an absurd stereotype, but because I like you, I've indulged it.

So yes, I do snicker a bit when I see people pretending that these virulent, eliminationist comments on Fox are shocking and surprising. They're not. They are par for the course, especially in year 3 of the Obama administration. You seem to feel the same way, so tell me why it's such an issue for me to say so.

314 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:07:43pm

re: #297 Mr Pancakes

Where in SoCal?

Inland Empire, 70s-late 80s.

315 Alexzander  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:08:16pm

re: #311 Mr Pancakes

Oh... please explain what you mean?

You've been a member since 2006 and you dont know what I'm talking about?

316 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:09:03pm

re: #305 jaunte

Vet ID holders cannot vote?

I said it before and I'll say it again: Denying the use of DoVA ID cards makes no sense from a voter fraud standpoint. The VA is careful in making sure those meet anti-fraud laws and does require a good bit of documentation before handing them over. So the only explanations for their exclusion are:

A. Negligence
B. Malice

I really hope its A, because if its B the authors of that bill are going to be in a great deal of hot water. To act against our veterans is utterly stupid for Republicans. Not only does it hurt those who have defended our freedom, but it also trashes the party's pro-military image. It is both cruel and stupid.

317 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:09:07pm

I sense a disturbance in the force on several levels.

318 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:09:18pm

re: #298 Naso Tang

I look down on some neighborhoods,

I'm right there with you. I look down on the suburbs. ///

Only disgusting people would choose to live there. ///

319 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:09:48pm

re: #314 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Inland Empire, 70s-late 80s.

I have family there..... very familiar with the area.

320 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:09:54pm

re: #317 Gus 802

I sense a disturbance in the force on several levels.

Shit, the force has levels now? I need to go back to Jedi school.

I hope they scrubbed the blood out.

321 laZardo  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:11:20pm

re: #317 Gus 802

Varek isn't here to keep the balance, that's why. q:

322 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:11:39pm

re: #316 Dark_Falcon

The GOP has gotten away with cutting VA funding just fine.

323 Alexzander  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:11:40pm

re: #314 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Inland Empire, 70s-late 80s.

Fan of Inland Empire, the David Lynch film? Most intense non-drug induced trip ever.

324 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:12:04pm

re: #321 laZardo

Varek isn't here to keep the balance, that's why. q:

Varek's a Sith. He wants to upset the balance.

/Stay on Target!

325 jaunte  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:12:32pm

re: #316 Dark_Falcon

I'm pretty sure the authors of the bill would be happy to make it a little more difficult for homeless people with PTSD to vote, but they didn't think they get called on it by veterans.

326 Alexzander  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:12:44pm

re: #317 Gus 802

I sense a disturbance in the force on several levels.

Yes.

327 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:13:05pm

re: #315 Alexzander

You've been a member since 2006 and you dont know what I'm talking about?

You are just being an idiot...... Pancakes is plural for one..... I used that nic in 1994 on a BBS which I think was before the Rachel Corrie incident? I've also explained on here when I signed up I felt uncomfortable when I saw a St Pancake on here. If you want to make that connection go for it.... but you are just full of shit.

328 Achilles Tang  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:13:27pm

re: #318 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I know you can do better.

329 Alexzander  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:14:21pm

re: #321 laZardo

Varek isn't here to keep the balance, that's why. q:

You're not in the U-District are you? Heading to a bar at 8 for some experimental improv/jazz. No cover.

330 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:15:06pm

re: #322 Obdicut

The GOP has gotten away with cutting VA funding just fine.

The current budget doesn't do that in the main, but it does cut things like travel funds. I'm not fan of it, though I do see the importance of restraining spending. But nevertheless, its important that vital programs like those to treat PTSD not be effected. If needsbe, I's support raising taxes before cutting those.

331 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:15:15pm

re: #306 Dark_Falcon

BTW, where in NC are your parents from? My mother is from North Carolina.

My parents are not from NC. My father was born to sharecropping farmers in Bumfarkansas, and my mother to, er, what whites call the help in south central Florida. They met in upstate NY, and moved to SoCA in the mid 60s right after marrying.

Better opportunities for young Black professionals, and all that. Once you got past the "No Blacks" signs on the rentals.

332 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:16:01pm

re: #314 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Inland Empire, 70s-late 80s.

oh beautiful.

333 b_sharp  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:16:24pm

re: #327 Mr Pancakes

You are just being an idiot... Pancakes is plural for one... I used that nic in 1994 on a BBS which I think was before the Rachel Corrie incident? I've also explained on here when I signed up I felt uncomfortable when I saw a St Pancake on here. If you want to make that connection go for it... but you are just full of shit.

Can I offer you some good Canadian maple syrup, just as a symbol of my support?

334 laZardo  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:17:13pm

re: #329 Alexzander

Downtown, near the convention center. Gonna try to sleep early, interview for a temp job as Free Samples Guy at Safeway in Renton tomorrow morning.

335 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:17:17pm

re: #333 b_sharp

Can I offer you some good Canadian maple syrup, just as a symbol of my support?

Of course..... I'll email you my address B.

336 Alexzander  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:17:37pm

re: #327 Mr Pancakes

I wasn't inferring your name was in response to the Rachel Corrie situation, I'm sorry it probably seemed that way now that I look at my comment in retrospect. I just thought it was an apt example (given your user name) of something sarcastic that's inappropriate.

337 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:19:12pm

re: #327 Mr Pancakes

Jesus Christo, this dude is IHOP's top spokesman!

338 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:19:31pm

re: #325 jaunte

I'm pretty sure the authors of the bill would be happy to make it a little more difficult for homeless people with PTSD to vote, but they didn't think they get called on it by veterans.

Well, they won't do it know, and they shouldn't have done it in the first place. They need to alter that bill posthaste. As it is there'll be fallout:

We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind",
But it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind,
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
O it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind.

You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees!

- Rudyard Kipling (Yes, I know Kipling also wrote The White Man's Burden, but when it came to the military he was right-on.)

339 Alexzander  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:20:02pm

re: #334 laZardo

Downtown, near the convention center. Gonna try to sleep early, interview for a temp job as Free Samples Guy at Safeway in Renton tomorrow morning.

Good luck!

340 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:20:14pm

re: #331 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

My parents are not from NC. My father was born to sharecropping farmers in Bumfarkansas, and my mother to, er, what whites call the help in south central Florida. They met in upstate NY, and moved to SoCA in the mid 60s right after marrying.

Better opportunities for young Black professionals, and all that. Once you got past the "No Blacks" signs on the rentals.

Sorry, I read your post wrong. Excuse me.

341 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:20:25pm

re: #323 Alexzander

Fan of Inland Empire, the David Lynch film? Most intense non-drug induced trip ever.

Next to Mullholland Dr, Inland Empire is my favorite Lynch film. You might like this - my undergrad German Lit prof is the one who messed me up on David Lynch. Brought messed up me on as a messed up research asst for some messed up paper she was doing on one of his messed up films. Never been the same, since; can't say I regret it, either.

342 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:20:35pm

re: #336 Alexzander

I wasn't inferring your name was in response to the Rachel Corrie situation, I'm sorry it probably seemed that way now that I look at my comment in retrospect. I just thought it was an apt example (given your user name) of something sarcastic that's inappropriate.

Well.... ok..... don't go into attack mode dude until you know the story. I have a sock on here because I felt so uncomfortable at the time...... but my sock name was so stupid I reemerged as Mr Pancakes after the St Pancake guy left.

343 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:22:13pm

re: #340 Dark_Falcon

Sorry, I read your post wrong. Excuse me.

NP. Hey, nothing like NC bbq and hotlinks. My mother did/does/whatever have people in NC. I've always wanted to go.

344 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:22:45pm

re: #337 Stanley Sea

Jesus Christo, this dude is IHOP's top spokesman!

Yowsa!!!! Of course I am...... no politics in my link.

345 laZardo  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:23:55pm

re: #339 Alexzander

Thankee. Mom just got hired as a Deli Clerk down Queen Anne way.

346 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:24:53pm

re: #332 Stanley Sea

oh beautiful.

No crystal stair, as the saying goes.

It was a unique time and place, especially for a young musician. That part, well, I cannot imagine a comparable experience, really.

347 b_sharp  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:25:09pm

Just for the record, I much prefer waffles to pancakes.

348 Alexzander  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:25:24pm

re: #342 Mr Pancakes

Didn't mean to be in attack mode - just thought it was disingenous that you didn't know what I was referring to.
I was in debate mode - as in 'hey, heres a local example of something we all consider to be offensive'.
No biggie. Bummer about feeling uncomfortable with your user name :(
Admitting to having a sock tho? HMMMMM lol

349 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:25:25pm

re: #310 SidewaysQuark

It's a slap at Islam, not Muslims. Like I said, I have no issue with insulting or mocking or poking fun at religions, which are just sets of ideas. All the great religions of the world deserve a major deliberate "slap" now and again.

People who are secure in their own beliefs can poke fun at themselves. People who are insecure feel compelled to mock others.

Of course, people who mock others are also assholes.

350 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:25:49pm

re: #347 b_sharp

Just for the record, I much prefer waffles to pancakes.

Crapes for me...... I hate waffles and pancakes.

351 Alexzander  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:26:22pm

re: #345 laZardo

Thankee. Mom just got hired as a Deli Clerk down Queen Anne way.

I'm waiting to hear back from a Trader Joes.

352 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:26:52pm

re: #328 Naso Tang

I know you can do better.

Don't ever doubt it.

353 Alexzander  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:27:52pm

re: #341 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Inland Empire is actually my fav Lynch film - I think I need to see MullHolland Dr again.

354 b_sharp  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:28:13pm

re: #350 Mr Pancakes

Crapes for me... I hate waffles and pancakes.

The wife makes deadly thin crapes.

355 Alexzander  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:30:12pm

I'll gladly take waffles, pancakes or crapes. Usually make waffles though.

356 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:31:36pm

re: #316 Dark_Falcon

I said it before and I'll say it again: Denying the use of DoVA ID cards makes no sense from a voter fraud standpoint. The VA is careful in making sure those meet anti-fraud laws and does require a good bit of documentation before handing them over. So the only explanations for their exclusion are:

A. Negligence
B. Malice

I really hope its A, because if its B the authors of that bill are going to be in a great deal of hot water. To act against our veterans is utterly stupid for Republicans. Not only does it hurt those who have defended our freedom, but it also trashes the party's pro-military image. It is both cruel and stupid.

re: #316 Dark_Falcon

I said it before and I'll say it again: Denying the use of DoVA ID cards makes no sense from a voter fraud standpoint. The VA is careful in making sure those meet anti-fraud laws and does require a good bit of documentation before handing them over. So the only explanations for their exclusion are:

A. Negligence
B. Malice

I really hope its A, because if its B the authors of that bill are going to be in a great deal of hot water. To act against our veterans is utterly stupid for Republicans. Not only does it hurt those who have defended our freedom, but it also trashes the party's pro-military image. It is both cruel and stupid.

No offense, Dark, but I think that since President Obama assumed the office of POTUS, the GOP pretty much has dropped any pretense of keeping a sane "image", as evidenced by the ascension of the TP and the bigots/xenophobes bringing it all out in the open (see the subject of this thread, for example). This situation reeks of "to make an omelet, you gotta break a few eggs" to me, that's how cynical I've become of the GOP.

/to paraphrase Reagan, I didn't leave the Republican Party, the Republican Party left me (however, it doesn't necessarily mean I automatically became a Democrat)

357 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:31:51pm

re: #348 Alexzander

Didn't mean to be in attack mode - just thought it was disingenous that you didn't know what I was referring to.
I was in debate mode - as in 'hey, heres a local example of something we all consider to be offensive'.
No biggie. Bummer about feeling uncomfortable with your user name :(
Admitting to having a sock tho? HMMM lol

Damn.... when I created that sock I had no idea it was an evil thing to do at the time...... there was no active stalker blog ....... it was never used again. You are the first person in 5 YEARS to even bring that up. Do me a favor...... go choke on a pancake.

358 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:34:13pm

re: #353 Alexzander

Inland Empire is actually my fav Lynch film - I think I need to see MullHolland Dr again.

Yeah he did an amaaaaazing job with both, I thought. There aren't a lot of films with way-east of LA as the subject, or at least in the title (kinda for obvious reasons.) Though, many were filmed there. Tested there, too.

I mean, when I was growing up there, it was just the sticks, and in another part, the cows. And the prison. It's much more built up now, but it's just McMansions, socalled light industry and Monster Trucks/Racetracks.

KKK land/teabagger country.

359 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:35:50pm

re: #344 Mr Pancakes

my dog, I never associated it with Rachel Corrie. Please.

360 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:38:30pm

re: #359 Stanley Sea

my dog, I never associated it with Rachel Corrie. Please.

Thank you Stanley. I was waiting for this day....... but it never happened ...... till 5 years later. Weird.

After 5 years you'd think my true colors would show if it/I had some EVIL MEANING....... jeez. IHOP for god's sake.

361 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:39:03pm

re: #350 Mr Pancakes

Crapes for me... I hate waffles and pancakes.

Oh, so the mask is dropped. No pancakes? I'm confused. And it's spelled crepes.

362 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:40:26pm

re: #361 Stanley Sea

Oh, so the mask is dropped. No pancakes? I'm confused. And it's spelled crepes.

Yea... the mask falls off...... I can't even stay true to my name. If we ever do meet up at IHOP......... you have pancakes....... I'll have the chicken fried steak.

363 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:42:28pm

I have to admit to finding it hard to muster any major sympathy for the plight of the Somalians myself. While I know that the vast majority of those affected are innocent civilians I also know that past aid has routinely been stolen/extorted/misdirected, aid workers killed in more than a dozen incidents, not to mention the recent past experience of the U.S. military forces and the ongoing Piracy.

That the U.N. continues to attempt to aid them at all is a testament to forgiveness, understanding, and compassion amongst humankind. It is a good thing for them that all of humanity is not as primal and vicious as many among them apparently aspire to be.

364 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:45:18pm

re: #354 b_sharp

The wife makes deadly thin crapes.

Stanley...... B spelled it wrong too...... and he's kinda French cuz he lives in Canada..... so there!

365 b_sharp  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:53:11pm

re: #364 Mr Pancakes

Stanley... B spelled it wrong too... and he's kinda French cuz he lives in Canada... so there!

You snitch.

366 SidewaysQuark  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:01:56pm

re: #349 Alouette

People who are secure in their own beliefs can poke fun at themselves. People who are insecure feel compelled to mock others.

People who are REALLY secure in their own beliefs mock the beliefs of both themselves and others. Mocking people is not really a good thing to do. Mocking beliefs is fine - beliefs don't have rights, only people do.


Of course, people who mock others are also assholes.

Well, since you just mocked me with a vulgar term, I will not contest your hypothesis. See, we can agree!

367 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:06:17pm

re: #319 Mr Pancakes

I have family there... very familiar with the area.

Just caught this, Mr. P. Well, all I can say is, there are better places there are worse places. But the IE's way of being both f'd up and interesting is all it's own.

368 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:11:36pm

re: #367 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Just caught this, Mr. P. Well, all I can say is, there are better places there are worse places. But the IE's way of being both f'd up and interesting is all it's own.

I have fond memories of the area...... my brother used to drive down when I was a kid and pick me up, we'd spend the weekend in Riverside watching movies and occasionally eating ham grinders. My folks lived in Yuciapa and Cali Mesa .... my sister lives in Redlands........ spring time there is breath-taking with the snow capped mountains. We'd head up to Oak Glen in the winter to play in the snow.

369 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:17:04pm

re: #368 Mr Pancakes

I have fond memories of the area... my brother used to drive down when I was a kid and pick me up, we'd spend the weekend in Riverside watching movies and occasionally eating ham grinders. My folks lived in Yuciapa and Cali Mesa ... my sister lives in Redlands... spring time there is breath-taking with the snow capped mountains. We'd head up to Oak Glen in the winter to play in the snow.

Yep, semidesert, and an hour from the snow. Only in what's now known as the IE. Nothing like it.

370 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:21:05pm

re: #369 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yep, semidesert, and an hour from the snow. Only in what's now known as the IE. Nothing like it.

All of SoCal is semi desert and snow accessible ........ Cuyamaca and Palomar Mountain down here in San Diego County.

371 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:52:38pm

re: #213 SidewaysQuark

I'd personally want to see the poster's past record of comments before drawing that conclusion.

Given the context, I don't think I need to give them the benefit of the doubt.

If that's just awful of me, OK.

372 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:49:37pm

re: #117 Obdicut

I don't even know what a fundamentalist Buddhist would be. A Tibetan monk who wanted the return of theocratic slavery, I guess. Doubt they'd shirk from eating chicken.

Buddhists do not believe in "fundaments". That's not to say that there weren't nasty traditions of buddhism. Japanese Zen also had a lot of bad aspects. "Zen at War" by Brian Victoria is a good read for everybody with a little too loft of an idea of the religion (it's not a "semi-religion", btw).

373 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:35:14pm

re: #184 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Part of noting those specific facets is the acknowledgment that for the targets, nothing about them acting out their pathological race rage directed at us is new or novel. That includes eliminationist sentiments on internet message boards.

Sorry, but that is also not true. There is a difference between someone saying "Hitler would have gassed you" and sending someone directly into the gas chambers, as there also is a difference between leaving a noose at a colleague's work place and actually lynching that person. Some generations, luckily, never have to experience the latter variants because the former are looked down upon socially. When more and more people think they can get away with more and more things, more and worse acts will be committed – and this will make a difference to the victims. It's rather simple, really.

You seem to assume that the constant racism in society never meaningfully changes quality or intensity and that it also does not matter how much in the background or forefront it is. That is demonstratably false.

374 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 8:30:30am

re: #373 000G

You seem to assume that the constant racism in society never meaningfully changes quality or intensity and that it also does not matter how much in the background or forefront it is. That is demonstratably false.

Now you're just arguing against crap I've never said.

375 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 8:46:10am

re: #79 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I don't think we are in a Nazi Germany situation.

Neither did a majority of Germans in the beginning. And many failed to see it until the very end.


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