Pamela Geller: Muslim Victims of 9/11 Were ‘Martyrs in an Act of Jihad’

Geller attacks the victims of terrorism (again)
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Anti-Muslim demagogue Pamela Geller paid close attention to the White House Ramadan dinner, because that’s how the creeping shariah gets in. And she noticed that President Obama actually HONORED THE SACRIFICES THAT MUSLIM AMERICANS MADE ON 911!!!! The horror!

Geller also notes: the Muslims killed in New York on 9/11/2001 were just “martyrs in an act of jihad,” and it disgusts her that Obama paid tribute to them, because honoring Muslim victims is “sedition.”

The more we hear of Obama’s submission to Islam at the Iftar dinner at the White House, the more monstrous it gets. I blogged on it here and here (the first war and the last war). The Obama presidency, lethal for America.

The idea of talking only of the Muslim who died on 911 or the Muslim first responder that died on 911 (if there were more, you’d have heard about it) is classic Islamic supremacism. Every death was an incalculable loss, every death an attack on this country.

I am so disgusted by the singling out of the few Muslims who were part of the attack. If Obama and the Islamic supremacist machine is so insistent on pointing that out, why not point out that, according to Islam, they died as martyrs in an act of jihad? Further, why is the motive behind these acts of war, jihad, prohibited from the national conversation or more specifically, this dinner?

This is sedition. This speech by the President of the United States in the wake of the single largest loss of life in one day by devout Muslims in the act of jihad is treason. And the death toll mounts daily. And it’s all jihad. Our warrior dead are not even buried yet, and he is mourning the Muslim victim and first responder who died on 911.

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1 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:28:02pm

Does Shrieking Harpie even realize that Obama did not originate Iftar observances in the White House? That George W. Bush held an Iftar event in November 2001?

So does that make George W. Bush a seekrit Muslim?

2 jaunte  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:30:30pm

re: #1 Alouette

So does that make George W. Bush a seekrit Muslim

Seekrit Muslim eight times over.

Mr. Bush hosted eight iftar dinners during his eight years in office in an effort to reach out to Muslim Americans and emphasize that America was not at war with Islam.
[Link: www.csmonitor.com...]
3 b_sharp  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:32:07pm

What an idiot.

She really needs psychological help.

4 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:32:47pm

Singling out? What is she an idiot? Nevermind, don't answer that question. It was a Ramadan dinner for crying out loud. Any excuse for this bowel movement of a human being to insult Muslims, the president and spread her hair brained alcoholic like conspiracy theories.. How this hate mongering twit ever became "famous" is beyond words.

5 ArchangelMichael  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:33:08pm

re: #1 Alouette

Does Shrieking Harpie even realize that Obama did not originate Iftar observances in the White House? That George W. Bush held an Iftar event in November 2001?

So does that make George W. Bush a seekrit Muslim?

He wasn't a ZOMG!11!!1!1 Brown Peoples!!1!11ty

Obama has done a lot of things Bush did that is conveniently forgotten about or played down. Remember the bowing nontroversy?

6 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:33:40pm

Thomas Jefferson: another seekrit Muslim.

7 Kragar  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:34:38pm

By that logic, Brievik's victims were martyrs in the act of Crusade.

8 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:36:41pm

Ugliest thing I've read in a long time. Contemptible, libelous, and such ham-handed bigotry.

9 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:36:53pm

re: #5 ArchangelMichael

He wasn't a ZOMG!11!!1!1 Brown Peoples!!1!11ty

Obama has done a lot of things Bush did that is conveniently forgotten about or played down. Remember the bowing nontroversy?

I remember the Bush "sword dance" with the Saudi kings.

10 laZardo  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:36:53pm

re: #2 jaunte

re: #6 Alouette

Recommend'd so hard.

11 jaunte  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:38:05pm

Pastry chef at Windows on the World, Abdoulaye Koné
Obviously a facilitator of creeping sharia pastry.

12 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:38:13pm

Shrieking Harpie also has "Scary Obama Shadow" on her blog.

13 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:38:13pm

Pam, you can just piss off now, you fucking xenophobic, bigoted twit...

14 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:38:23pm

re: #8 Obdicut

Ugliest thing I've read in a long time. Contemptible, libelous, and such ham-handed bigotry.

This woman is scum. S-c-u-m. No other way to describe her.

15 Achilles Tang  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:39:13pm

And ambassador Bolton has his name on a book with her, does he not?

16 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:40:43pm

re: #14 Gus 802

This woman is scum. S-c-u-m. No other way to describe her.

I can think of another 4 letter word.

17 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:41:17pm

She has to have gone off into provocateur land. Nobody outside a mental institution and operating as an independent adult can be that unhinged from day to day.

No, that is not a slam on people with developmental disabilities or mental disorders. At this point with the crud she says, there can only be a few explanations, and I'm not buying she's crazy.

18 deadletterboy  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:42:12pm

What a profoundly evil, evil human being.

19 deadletterboy  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:42:33pm

Though honestly, I'm not even sure she qualifies as human.

20 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:44:29pm

re: #19 deadletterboy

Though honestly, I'm not even sure she qualifies as human.

Sure she does, but she's a twisted POS.

21 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:45:30pm

re: #15 Naso Tang

And ambassador Bolton has his name on a book with her, does he not?

Or one of those fictional cabinet positions it's all the rage to promise, nowadays.

Amb Bolton, would you allow a ... whatchamacallit like Pam Geller to serve on your cabinet?

22 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:45:37pm

Bill Clinton: another seekrit Muslim!

23 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:46:20pm
Geller also notes: the Muslims killed in New York on 9/11/2001 were just “martyrs in an act of jihad,” and it disgusts her that Obama paid tribute to them, because honoring Muslim victims is “sedition.”

Does this include the young father of 3, an Iraqi policeman, who was killed defending my convoy in an ambush near Mosul?
I can't even insult this deranged hateful woman anymore, there are no insults adequate to the task. She is a menace; to mental health, to the political process, to diplomacy, to our armed forces, and to peace.

24 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:46:42pm

re: #19 deadletterboy

Though honestly, I'm not even sure she qualifies as human.

Oh she is definitely human.

That's what makes her so warped and heinous: she knows better.

25 b_sharp  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:47:15pm

re: #14 Gus 802

This woman is scum. S-c-u-m. No other way to describe her.

She's made of cockroaches.

26 JRCMYP  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:48:00pm

Charles, you must have an incredible moral compass and commitment to the US in order to find the stomach to continue to report on the extreme right-wing lunacy. Seriously. I have a hard time reading this shit. But sadly its important to not forget that it's out there.

We need to remember that we are all Americans. And we don't hear enough about it. We hear from these creeps about what sets us apart. But it's really so simple. We all want the same things. The American Pie is actually quite big and there is plenty of it to share. It's sad that these shitheads are so shallow, miserly and bigoted that they think we, as a country, can't withstand what we've always withstood: compromise, thoughtfulness, hard times and determination. Instead, they try to demonize easy targets as the source of our problems. Of course, that's part of our history too, as we all know. But, history shows us that we come to our senses.

Thanks for being on the right side of history, Charles.

27 jaunte  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:48:34pm

Geller's definition of 'submission to Islam' is so loose, it's meaningless.

28 jaunte  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:50:28pm

Abdoul Karim Traoré:

At Windows on the World, a United Nations of 450 workers from dozens of countries, Mr. Traoré, 40, was elected a union shop steward. Although he was one of the few Africans there, other workers, impressed by his intelligence and forcefulness, looked to him to present their case to management. "Everybody liked him," his wife said. "He was respected." [Link: islam.about.com...]
29 Kragar  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:50:38pm

re: #27 jaunte

Geller's definition of 'submission to Islam' is so loose, it's meaningless.

"YOU'RE LETTING THEM BREATHE THE SAME AIR!" = Submission in nutball's world.

30 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:51:18pm

Pam's projecting again. If anyone's guilty of sedition it's her, not Obama. It's her 'counter-jihad' crowd that birthed that monster Brevik. Leave Obama's Ramadan dinner alone Pam, your event this weekend was the killing spree recreation in Norway.

31 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:52:21pm

re: #27 jaunte

Geller's definition of 'submission to Islam' is so loose, it's meaningless.

Submission to Islam bad!
Submission to husband good!

--Deep thoughts by Michele Bachmann

32 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:52:43pm

re: #30 Dark_Falcon

Pam's projecting again. If anyone's guilty of sedition it's her, not Obama. It's her 'counter-jihad' crowd that birthed that monster Brevik. Leave Obama's Ramadan dinner alone Pam, your event this weekend was the killing spree recreation in Norway.

Speaking of that recreation, Gus put up a Page on it.

33 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:56:22pm

Mohammed Salman Hamdani

Mohammed (or Mohammad) Salman Hamdani (1977 or 1978 – September 11, 2001) was a Muslim Pakistani American who died at the World Trade Center in the immediate aftermath of the September 11, 2001 attacks (9/11).

It was believed that on the morning of September 11, 2001, while on the way to work at Rockefeller University, Hamdani witnessed the smoke coming from the Twin Towers and hurried to the scene to aid victims, using his police and EMT identification to get a ride through the restricted traffic. He died in the World Trade Center and his remains were found in the rubble of the North Tower.

34 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 7:59:29pm

The Muslims were martyrs whose deaths were caused by their own...ok, whatever, lets say I even deign to accept that at face value.

What is Pamela attempting to cast the non-Muslims who died that day as? Is she not trying to cast them as Martyrs who died in furtherance of her own brand of religious belief?

35 Kragar  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:00:00pm

More from Pam:

The Next American President Must Redeem Our Exceptionalism

The next American President must vow to return to the founding principle of the American idea: individual rights. The next American President must advocate and cheerlead for the most benevolent and productive human system in the world: capitalism.

Individual rights, except for Muslims, and the joys of unregulated free market capitalism.

36 garhighway  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:01:31pm

re: #33 Gus 802

Mohammed (or Mohammad) Salman Hamdani (1977 or 1978 – September 11, 2001) was a Muslim Pakistani American who died at the World Trade Center in the immediate aftermath of the September 11, 2001 attacks (9/11).

It was believed that on the morning of September 11, 2001, while on the way to work at Rockefeller University, Hamdani witnessed the smoke coming from the Twin Towers and hurried to the scene to aid victims, using his police and EMT identification to get a ride through the restricted traffic. He died in the World Trade Center and his remains were found in the rubble of the North Tower.

And Pam is glad he's dead.

37 jaunte  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:06:04pm
38 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:06:41pm

re: #35 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

More from Pam:

The Next American President Must Redeem Our Exceptionalism

Individual rights, except for Muslims, and the joys of unregulated free market capitalism.

Pam mouths the words of America's founding principals, but she does not believe them. No wonder she hates Obama, since he's a better American than she is.

39 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:10:06pm

The picture of Pam at the top of the thread is very flattering. It makes her look smarter and more sophisticated than she actually is.

40 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:10:24pm

Pam's positions have become lamentable, sad, and truly pitiful.

I am sure that Pam, at one time, was a nice girl who had hopes and dreams of a good, productive, normal life. Now she has become this *thing* filled with hate and vitriol, driven by her inability to separate evil from that which is just different.

I truly feel for her incapacity to think in a rational manner. It's a waste of what I am sure was a perfectly reasonable human being at one point. It's deeply troubling, so very different from what her religious heritage teaches her. She has embraced the propaganda of her religions' persecutors for millennia. She has become a supporter of pogroms and genocide.

She has become a sad, pathetic human being.

41 Kragar  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:19:31pm

re: #39 _RememberTonyC

The picture of Pam at the top of the thread is very flattering. It makes her look smarter and more sophisticated than she actually is.

I always get an Evil Dead vibe from that one.

Image: henrietta-630-75.jpg

"Swallow your soul, swallow your soul..."

42 Artist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:22:23pm

re: #41 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I always get an Evil Dead vibe from that one.

Image: henrietta-630-75.jpg

"Swallow your soul, swallow your soul..."

The resemblance is uncanny!

43 jaunte  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:23:56pm

The SPLC on some debunked Geller delusion of the recent past:

"a torrent of vile commentary and loopy conspiracy theories"

How did that White House coup go, again?

44 JRCMYP  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:24:31pm

re: #42 SteelPH

My very favorite trilogy. :)

45 Kragar  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:27:43pm

re: #44 JRCMYP

My very favorite trilogy. :)

Evil Dead 4 Beginning Pre-Production; Director Chosen

46 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:28:47pm

re: #41 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I always get an Evil Dead vibe from that one.

Image: henrietta-630-75.jpg

"Swallow your soul, swallow your soul..."

Is there a Daemon Princess of Bad Craziness? Because if there isn't, one should be created in Pam's likeness. Complete with a Chaos Space Marine legion called "The Horrible Harpies".

/40K joke

47 jaunte  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:30:10pm

Paul Krugman: The Texas Unmiracle

What Texas shows is that a state offering cheap labor and, less important, weak regulation can attract jobs from other states. I believe that the appropriate response to this insight is “Well, duh.” The point is that arguing from this experience that depressing wages and dismantling regulation in America as a whole would create more jobs — which is, whatever Mr. Perry may say, what Perrynomics amounts to in practice — involves a fallacy of composition: every state can’t lure jobs away from every other state.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
48 McSpiff  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:33:11pm

re: #47 jaunte

Paul Krugman: The Texas Unmiracle

No, you just depress regulation and wages until you're stealing them back from places like the PRC and vietnam.

49 jaunte  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:33:21pm

re: #46 Dark_Falcon

Chaos Space Marine legion called "The Horrible Harpies"


Challenging paint job.

50 Kragar  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:33:38pm

re: #46 Dark_Falcon

Is there a Daemon Princess of Bad Craziness? Because if there isn't, one should be created in Pam's likeness. Complete with a Chaos Space Marine legion called "The Horrible Harpies".

/40K joke

Can't be Tzeentch, because she doesn't believe in change.
Can't be Nurgle, because she doesn't have a sense of humor.
Can be Slaanesh, because she she's way too repressed.
That would only leave Khorne, but she says she's non-violent.

Bloody heretics.

51 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:34:43pm

And just when you think she couldn't hit rock bottom, she does it again. Truly a terrible human being. I would hope that in a rational world this destroys whatever credibility her and her asshole friends had left but unfortunately it won't.

52 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:36:17pm

Is Rick Perry going to drill for and find oil in Michigan?

53 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:36:35pm

Okay, dumb question, since I honestly don't know the answer: Debbie Schlussel also says horrible, bigoted things (like referring to the Norway victims as "Hamasniks" who deserved their fate), so why doesn't she generate as much attention as Geller? Is it because the latter is considered more influential, has a larger following, and beats Schlussel in MSM TV appearances? I'm assuming that's the case, though I don't know for sure. I was never all that familiar with the "who's who" of the anti-Jihad blogosphere...

54 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:36:40pm

She's a pile of human vomit. I'm not so sure about the human part. I'm drunk and don't care.

55 garhighway  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:38:25pm

re: #54 tnguitarist

She's a pile of human vomit. I'm not so sure about the human part. I'm drunk and don't care.

Upding for drunk.

56 jaunte  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:38:56pm

re: #53 publicityStunted

I think Geller gets more air time on Fox:
[Link: mediamatters.org...]

57 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:38:59pm

re: #53 publicityStunted

Okay, dumb question, since I honestly don't know the answer: Debbie Schlussel also says horrible, bigoted things (like referring to the Norway victims as "Hamasniks" who deserved their fate), so why doesn't she generate as much attention as Geller? Is it because the latter is considered more influential, has a larger following, and beats Schlussel in MSM TV appearances? I'm assuming that's the case, though I don't know for sure. I was never all that familiar with the "who's who" of the anti-Jihad blogosphere...

I think it's because Pam gets a lot more press. And for the word, I know what Debbie Schlussel said after Norway. She's an equally vile person in my eyes.

58 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:40:42pm

re: #55 garhighway

Upding for drunk.

Upding for the upding. Drinking some 30 year old Jack.

59 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:42:43pm

re: #58 tnguitarist

Upding for the upding. Drinking some 30 year old Jack.

Cheap Beam green label here. Along with "60's Formula!" Schlitz, which actually really is better than 90% of the mainstream beers out there.

60 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:43:56pm

re: #59 wlewisiii

Cheap Beam green label here. Along with "60's Formula!" Schlitz, which actually really is better than 90% of the mainstream beers out there.

Malt liquor makes me puke just thinking about it. History........

61 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:43:59pm

re: #52 SpaceJesus

Is Rick Perry going to drill for and find oil in Michigan?

Probably. The Michigan Basin, which is basically the mitt, the south side, is a perfect trap for low porosity/high yield pays with fracking.

62 makeitstop  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:45:23pm

I drank Spaten Oktoberfest all day at the gig.

No doubt I'll be really annoyed by this tomorrow. Right now I can't be bothered.

She is still a vile woman, nonetheless.

63 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:46:05pm

re: #49 jaunte

Challenging paint job.

Just a evil shade of blue, with splashes of green bile.

Did you hear that?!1 Green Bile?!!1 GREEN IS THE COLOR OF ISLAM!!11 DORK_FOWLCON IS A ISLAMIC CONVERT!!!11

64 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:46:09pm

Pamela is a moron.

In other news... Water is wet; Mt. Everest is big; and Disco sucks.

65 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:46:37pm

re: #53 publicityStunted

Okay, dumb question, since I honestly don't know the answer: Debbie Schlussel also says horrible, bigoted things (like referring to the Norway victims as "Hamasniks" who deserved their fate), so why doesn't she generate as much attention as Geller? Is it because the latter is considered more influential, has a larger following, and beats Schlussel in MSM TV appearances? I'm assuming that's the case, though I don't know for sure. I was never all that familiar with the "who's who" of the anti-Jihad blogosphere...

Pam has bigger tits. Duh.

66 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:46:55pm

re: #61 austin_blue

Probably. The Michigan Basin, which is basically the mitt, the south side, is a perfect trap for low porosity/high yield pays with fracking.

So Romney should drill there? :D

67 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:47:04pm

re: #65 austin_blue

She's just a boob.

68 Kragar  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:47:26pm

re: #64 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Pamela is a moron.

In other news... Water is wet; Mt. Everest is big; and Disco sucks.

DISCO IS LIFE!

69 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:48:06pm

re: #67 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

She's just a boob.

Thanks for keeping us "abreast" of the situation.

70 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:48:31pm

re: #68 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I love you too much to ask you how you found that video.

71 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:49:34pm

re: #61 austin_blue

Probably. The Michigan Basin, which is basically the mitt, the south side, is a perfect trap for low porosity/high yield pays with fracking.

Because the tap water of the people who live there simply isn't flammable enough:

72 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:49:43pm

re: #67 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

She's just a boob.

You think it's her scintillating intelligence that gets her on CNN and FOX?

Pshaw!

73 Kragar  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:50:50pm

re: #70 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I love you too much to ask you how you found that video.

I am fully versed in all internet traditions.

74 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:51:44pm

I hate to come near violating Godwin here but I'll be damned if Pam doesn't sound like a Nazi everyday. She has to know how powerful the ability of scapegoating entire groups is.

75 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:52:01pm

re: #73 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Kind of like an archeologist?

76 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:53:00pm

re: #73 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I am fully versed in all internet traditions.

SEARCH "Scissor Sisters" + Ukrainian disco

77 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:55:34pm

re: #71 publicityStunted

Because the tap water of the people who live there simply isn't flammable enough:

[Video]

Now now now. There hasn't been a proven impact! (Except where there has.) Nothing to see here. All surface casing and second string cement jobs are perfect and without flaw. There is simply *no way* that gas production *thousands of feet below the ground* could affect shallow drinking water production zones. Really. Trust us. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

78 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 8:58:42pm

re: #72 austin_blue

You think it's her scintillating intelligence that gets her on CNN and FOX?

Pshaw!

Networks love to put freaks on TV, and Americans is just as fascinated by them as we were back in P.T. Barnum's day.

Note to any lurking trolls: Don't fail to visit the Egress!

79 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:03:25pm

re: #72 austin_blue

You think it's her scintillating intelligence that gets her on CNN and FOX?

Pshaw!

Pleather jacket from Fredrick's of Hollywood. Jewelry by Spencer Gifts. Yeas. We's go downs to the shore from Lowng Eyeland sometimes to go to the malls near Seaside Park. Gets us some pizzas and sodas for lunch.

80 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:03:37pm

Visited a Monster Truck Rally for the first time this weekend. (It was the entertainment at a county fair.)

That was enough for one lifetime. I think I lack the necessary genetics to appreciate a Monster Truck Rally.

81 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:05:16pm

re: #80 EmmmieG

Visited a Monster Truck Rally for the first time this weekend. (It was the entertainment at a county fair.)

That was enough for one lifetime. I think I lack the necessary genetics to appreciate a Monster Truck Rally.

You ain't the only one. I went to one when I was 7-8 at the old US Air Arena and it was meh. Would much rather go to baseball games.

82 laZardo  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:05:54pm

re: #80 EmmmieG

Back when I was a kid, monster trucks were all the Hot Wheels rage.

83 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:06:25pm

re: #82 laZardo

Back when I was a kid, monster trucks were all the Hot Wheels rage.

These were a tiny bit larger than Hot Wheels.

84 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:08:08pm

re: #81 HappyWarrior

You ain't the only one. I went to one when I was 7-8 at the old US Air Arena and it was meh. Would much rather go to baseball games.

I would agree while also saying that I consider baseball to be one of the most insanely dull things on this planet. The last time I willingly went to a game was in Infantry school and I happily slept through the game after drinking the one brew we were allowed.

Football, American or world, is much more my style.

85 dell*nix  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:08:11pm

re: #55 garhighway

The Stein Song.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

86 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:09:21pm

Been thinking about this song for several hours.

Maybe it'll put in your head.

87 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:10:57pm

re: #8 Obdicut

Ugliest thing I've read in a long time. Contemptible, libelous, and such ham-handed bigotry.

It assumes that a person entirely loses their autonomy, freedom of thought, and right to be judged by their actions if they are a Muslim.

Which is nothing new for Pam.

88 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:10:59pm

re: #84 wlewisiii

I would agree while also saying that I consider baseball to be one of the most insanely dull things on this planet. The last time I willingly went to a game was in Infantry school and I happily slept through the game after drinking the one brew we were allowed.

Football, American or world, is much more my style.

Heh just went to one the other night. I've always wanted to go to a football game though. I enjoy basketball games as well, college that is.

89 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:12:06pm

re: #87 SanFranciscoZionist

*gushes admiration*

90 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:12:35pm

re: #84 wlewisiii

I would agree while also saying that I consider baseball to be one of the most insanely dull things on this planet. The last time I willingly went to a game was in Infantry school and I happily slept through the game after drinking the one brew we were allowed.

Football, American or world, is much more my style.

I only like baseball if my team is doing well...... yes, I'm a baseball bandwagoner.

Football on the other hand...... (American Football) is something that keeps me focused no-matter what the record.

91 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:14:29pm

re: #87 SanFranciscoZionist

It assumes that a person entirely loses their autonomy, freedom of thought, and right to be judged by their actions if they are a Muslim.

Which is nothing new for Pam.

It's vile, no two ways about it. In Pam's world, the only good people are those who hate and fight Islam. Anyone who speaks in favor of tolerance is either a dupe or a traitor. It's a totalitarian mindset.

92 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:15:19pm

re: #90 Mr Pancakes

I only like baseball if my team is doing well... yes, I'm a baseball bandwagoner.

Football on the other hand... (American Football) is something that keeps me focused no-matter what the record.

I only like sports if I know at least one player personally, and that person is under 12.

If they're under 6, I'm riveted to the game, even if *my* player is chasing butterflies.

93 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:17:57pm

I could be described as a sports fan but the one sport I've never gotten in to is hockey. Not for a lack of effort, I watched the gold metal game between the US and the Canadians last winter but I just couldn't get in to it. I do hear seeing a game live is quite the experience. I think another factor is the bandwagon Capitals fans here annoy me.

94 laZardo  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:18:55pm

re: #90 Mr Pancakes

I only like baseball if my team is doing well... yes, I'm a baseball bandwagoner.

Football on the other hand... (American Football) is something that keeps me focused no-matter what the record.

I'm a fan of the Yankees, primarily because it's the only MLB game I ever actually attended. 0:

95 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:19:13pm

re: #92 EmmmieG

...and throwing "the ball" in a perfectly random direction.

96 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:19:19pm

re: #92 EmmmieG

I only like sports if I know at least one player personally, and that person is under 12.

If they're under 6, I'm riveted to the game, even if *my* player is chasing butterflies.

If I'm around too many kids at one time I go into cardiac arrest.

97 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:19:56pm

re: #92 EmmmieG

And as usual... avatar ding.

98 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:20:43pm

re: #92 EmmmieG

I only like sports if I know at least one player personally, and that person is under 12.

If they're under 6, I'm riveted to the game, even if *my* player is chasing butterflies.

Have low blood pressure and want to raise it?

Coach an under 7 year old co-ed soccer team

99 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:21:17pm

re: #95 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

...and throwing "the ball" in a perfectly random direction.

Last year the soccer team I coached had a little girl who dribbled down the field beautifully and shot a goal into...our goal.

I looked at her for a second, cheering for her goal, and then I cheered with her.

What else to do?

I think I've told this story here before.

100 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:21:54pm

re: #98 sattv4u2

Have low blood pressure and want to raise it?

Coach an under 7 year old co-ed soccer team

4-5 last two years. My son is now 6, so I guess I'm moving up.

First year? He wouldn't even get on the field. Oh well.

101 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:22:24pm

re: #93 HappyWarrior

I could be described as a sports fan but the one sport I've never gotten in to is hockey. Not for a lack of effort, I watched the gold metal game between the US and the Canadians last winter but I just couldn't get in to it. I do hear seeing a game live is quite the experience. I think another factor is the bandwagon Capitals fans here annoy me.

Well hockey really isn't a sport is it? They don't play with a ball and not everyone has ice to skate on.

/

102 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:23:45pm

re: #100 EmmmieG

4-5 last two years. My son is now 6, so I guess I'm moving up.

First year? He wouldn't even get on the field. Oh well.

Same here

Started with my son at U-5

A clump of kids surrounding the ball kicking each other in the shins

Then one kid breaks from the pack!!

Nope, not with the ball ,, to the sidelines to get a "snack" from Mom

103 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:24:03pm

re: #19 deadletterboy

Though honestly, I'm not even sure she qualifies as human.

She's human. Just not the best kind.

104 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:24:51pm

re: #101 Mr Pancakes

Well hockey really isn't a sport is it? They don't play with a ball and not everyone has ice to skate on.

/

Yeah and I can't skate that well. Couldn't ski well either the only time I tried it. Ended up just watching TV at the lodge.I don't like winter sports I guess by and large except for basketball which really isn't a true winter sport since you can play it all four seasons. Its season just happens to be winter.

105 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:25:39pm

re: #92 EmmmieG

I only like sports if I know at least one player personally, and that person is under 12.

If they're under 6, I'm riveted to the game, even if *my* player is chasing butterflies.

Amen. :)

106 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:28:21pm

re: #33 Gus 802

Mohammed Salman Hamdani

A martyr. But not in the sense Pam is trying to insist.

107 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:28:39pm

I can't imagine myself coaching so my hat's off to those of you here who have and those who do. I like to think I've done a good job mentoring my kid brother at baseball. He played soccer, football, and basketball for the first few years but he watched so much baseball with me and because he sees me as sort of a role model, he decided to play for the first time this spring. Did real well for a first timer I thought. He was hitting better than I ever did. And looked great for a first time pitcher. It took me a couple seasons to develop in to a decent one. I loved pitching. It was my favorite part of baseball. Now hitting meanwhile that was another story since they should have named the Mendoza line after me.

108 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:28:55pm
109 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:30:21pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

I hate to come near violating Godwin here but I'll be damned if Pam doesn't sound like a Nazi everyday. She has to know how powerful the ability of scapegoating entire groups is.

Pam does sound like a Nazi, and on some level she must be aware of it.

110 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:31:39pm

re: #109 SanFranciscoZionist

Pam does sound like a Nazi, and on some level she must be aware of it.

It's the whole dehumanizing thing while at the same time claiming that the victims of one's bigotry are the real monsters. It seems like an all too common thread. People need to speak out against this.

111 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:34:04pm

re: #110 HappyWarrior

It's the whole dehumanizing thing while at the same time claiming that the victims of one's bigotry are the real monsters. It seems like an all too common thread. People need to speak out against this.

People do speak out, and it does some good. But at least part of Pam's readers are beyond shame. They're committed to their bigotry and nothing short of them being personally exposed as bigots and then subject to massive social pressure will reform them.

In a way, the SoCons are right: We need to bring back public shame. Pam and her bigotred readers need to be subjected to such shaming.

112 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:39:24pm

re: #109 SanFranciscoZionist

Pam does sound like a Nazi, and on some level she must be aware of it.

She also sounds like a Jihadi.

That pastry chef's son comes to her, or to al-Zawahiri. He says, "My father was a good Muslim, and he died in his kitchen in the WTC. Tell me what that means."

They tell him the same thing, don't they?

113 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:39:32pm

re: #111 Dark_Falcon

People do speak out, and it does some good. But at least part of Pam's readers are beyond shame. They're committed to their bigotry and nothing short of them being personally exposed as bigots and then subject to massive social pressure will reform them.

In a way, the SoCons are right: We need to bring back public shame. Pam and her bigotred readers need to be subjected to such shaming.

Yeah, I think the best thing to do is to speak out in support of Muslim Americans whenever the opp presents itself. Same strategy I do with gay rights really. The thing that needs to stop is for networks treating Pam and Robert Spencer as if they're these legitimate political commentators. Those two are nothing but hate propagandists.

114 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:42:34pm

Is there a way to compress a very large photo. I'm (finally) making a Libya page, and a Map I found has some details written up. But the resolution its at means it will be oversized.

New Computer Battery Tomorrow. :3

115 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:43:22pm

re: #111 Dark_Falcon

People do speak out, and it does some good. But at least part of Pam's readers are beyond shame. They're committed to their bigotry and nothing short of them being personally exposed as bigots and then subject to massive social pressure will reform them.

In a way, the SoCons are right: We need to bring back public shame. Pam and her bigotred readers need to be subjected to such shaming.

I would have to argue that, based on the evidence presented by her actions, she is literally shameless. As in she is not able to feel shame over these evil actions.

116 Kragar  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:44:11pm

re: #114 ProLifeLiberal

Is there a way to compress a very large photo. I'm (finally) making a Libya page, and a Map I found has some details written up. But the resolution its at means it will be oversized.

New Computer Battery Tomorrow. :3

Easy solution, MSpaint, Image > Resize

117 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:44:29pm

I have cup o' noodles.
Jealous?
Thought so.
:P
Sup?

118 Lidane  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:45:30pm

Dear Pam:

No love,
Me

119 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:46:03pm

re: #117 Varek Raith

I have cup o' noodles.
Jealous?
Thought so.
:P
Sup?

Cup o' noodles jealous? Nah...... that's probably the last thing eaten if we run out of food.

120 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:46:04pm

re: #114 ProLifeLiberal

Is there a way to compress a very large photo. I'm (finally) making a Libya page, and a Map I found has some details written up. But the resolution its at means it will be oversized.

New Computer Battery Tomorrow. :3

Please just post a link to it at full res. I'd rather see the data on it than all the compression artifacts.

I hear things are going good in the fight to cut off Tripoli. Did you see my page the other day on the father & son?

Thanks!

121 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:46:46pm

re: #119 Mr Pancakes

Cup o' noodles jealous? Nah... that's probably the last thing eaten if we run out of food.

You clearly have no taste.
Clearly.
/

122 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:47:24pm

re: #119 Mr Pancakes

Cup o' noodles jealous? Nah... that's probably the last thing eaten if we run out of food.

Or the first of you're college bound!

123 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:47:32pm

re: #113 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I think the best thing to do is to speak out in support of Muslim Americans whenever the opp presents itself. Same strategy I do with gay rights really. The thing that needs to stop is for networks treating Pam and Robert Spencer as if they're these legitimate political commentators. Those two are nothing but hate propagandists.

Quite Concur.

124 Kragar  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:49:46pm

re: #119 Mr Pancakes

Cup o' noodles jealous? Nah... that's probably the last thing eaten if we run out of food.

33 cents worth of ramen noodles, some green onions, garlic, some chicken or pork, and you got some good eats going.

125 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:50:22pm

re: #121 Varek Raith

You clearly have no taste.
Clearly.
/


Ever seen the shrimp in there? They look like dried bugs.

126 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:51:01pm

re: #124 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

33 cents worth of ramen noodles, some green onions, garlic, some chicken or pork, and you got some good eats going.

If I got that far I'll just make it from scratch.

127 Kragar  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:51:57pm

re: #126 Mr Pancakes

If I got that far I'll just make it from scratch.

I got that too, but haven't been able to get to the Japanese supermarket lately.

128 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:53:02pm

re: #127 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I got that too, but haven't been able to get to the Japanese supermarket lately.

We have "Seafood City" here...... it's pretty good if you hold your nose.

129 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:53:56pm

re: #126 Mr Pancakes

If I got that far I'll just make it from scratch.

ELITIST!!!!
:)

130 Kragar  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:54:05pm

re: #128 Mr Pancakes

We have "Seafood City" here... it's pretty good if you hold your nose.

[Link: www.mitsuwa.com...]

131 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:55:12pm

re: #120 wlewisiii

Holy balls have things gone well. The open desert from Bir al-Ghanam to Az-Zawiya meant the Qaddafi forces were caught flat-footed.

Tripoli is nearly surrounded. And Misrata is finally out of the range of Qaddafi's rockets, or at least those Katyushas with the longest range.

Nothing on the East though.

132 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:55:19pm

re: #130 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

[Link: www.mitsuwa.com...]

San Diego...... cool..... I'll have to check it out. Thanks.

133 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:56:01pm

re: #120 wlewisiii

I might not have seen it. Family Vacation (I regret it).

Link plz?

134 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:56:56pm

re: #131 ProLifeLiberal

Holy balls have things gone well. The open desert from Bir al-Ghanam to Az-Zawiya meant the Qaddafi forces were caught flat-footed.

Tripoli is nearly surrounded. And Misrata is finally out of the range of Qaddafi's rockets, or at least those Katyushas with the longest range.

Nothing on the East though.

HAHA, they can't apply their dexterity bonus to AC!
Sukers!
;)

135 Kragar  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:57:13pm

re: #132 Mr Pancakes

San Diego... cool... I'll have to check it out. Thanks.

They've got 2 different noodle shops in the store, plus they prepare their own take out sushi.

136 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:57:49pm

re: #135 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They've got 2 different noodle shops in the store, plus they prepare their own take out sushi.

I'm there...... works for me.

137 Kragar  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:58:09pm

re: #134 Varek Raith

HAHA, they can't apply their dexterity bonus to AC!
Sukers!
;)

Those are the old rules you dummy! Quick, roll for initiative!

138 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:58:38pm

re: #137 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Those are the old rules you dummy! Quick, roll for initiative!

Silence!
The old rules are better!

139 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 9:59:07pm

re: #133 ProLifeLiberal

I might not have seen it. Family Vacation (I regret it).

Link plz?

Just a very sad story on NPR. Here's a direct link:
[Link: www.npr.org...]

May god bless them and keep them.

140 Kragar  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:00:44pm

re: #138 Varek Raith

Silence!
The old rules are better!

Got that bitch 2d Edition Player's Handbook.

Bitches love 2d Edition.

141 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:00:45pm
142 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:02:10pm

re: #140 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Got that bitch 2d Edition Player's Handbook.

Bitches love 2d Edition.

Feh, either the first ADD books or the Pathfinder version of 3.5 are the only ones worth getting a D20 out for.

143 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:02:59pm
144 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:03:07pm

re: #142 wlewisiii

Feh, either the first ADD books or the Pathfinder version of 3.5 are the only ones worth getting a D20 out for.

4 is a disaster.
:(

145 Kragar  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:03:38pm

re: #142 wlewisiii

Feh, either the first ADD books or the Pathfinder version of 3.5 are the only ones worth getting a D20 out for.

2d edition Planescape is the best RPG setting of all time.

OF ALL TIME!

146 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:04:12pm

re: #137 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Qaddafi has lost the initiative :P.

CNN is supposedly saying he will have a news conference (or similar) today (by Libyan Time, Tomorrow for us)

147 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:04:32pm

re: #135 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They've got 2 different noodle shops in the store, plus they prepare their own take out sushi.

Oh shit...... I know where it is..... it's across the street from the In n' Out Burger in Kearny Mesa........ I'll be heading up next weekend to check it out...... I'll have to buy an In n' Out burger for the way home.... I think they put cocaine in them burgers or something...... sorry if you never had one .... we only have them here in the west.

148 laZardo  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:05:12pm

re: #141 Varek Raith

This is actually why I've been especially glum about that bullying article df1981 posted a couple days ago. Here's a democratically-elected representative effectively endorsing the kind of bullying that led to the suicides of so many in her district, with a fighting chance of actually becoming President.

149 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:05:38pm

re: #141 Varek Raith

Bachmann: I Don’t ‘Judge’ Gays, Everyone Has ‘Dignity’ And ‘Honor’
And I'm the Head of Cabbage.

Which is why she strongly supported gay marriage and the repeal of Don't Ask Tell. Oh wait.

150 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:05:54pm

re: #131 ProLifeLiberal

Holy balls have things gone well. The open desert from Bir al-Ghanam to Az-Zawiya meant the Qaddafi forces were caught flat-footed.

Tripoli is nearly surrounded. And Misrata is finally out of the range of Qaddafi's rockets, or at least those Katyushas with the longest range.

Nothing on the East though.

CNN has something:

Gadhafi gives audio address amid claims of rebel advances

The most relevant portion:

On Saturday, in the opposition-held port of Misrata, missile attacks by Gadhafi forces ended after rebels captured the nearby town of Tawargha, National Transitional Council spokesman Guma El-Gamaty told CNN. That city was being used by Gadhafi forces to launch missiles indiscriminately into Misrata, he said.

Rebels also took a crucial bridge that links Tawargha to Sirte, Gadhafi's hometown and loyal stronghold, he said.

NATO also launched 47 airstrikes today. A number of Gaddafi vehicles got caught, including two tanks that got 'plinked' by NATO Mavericks.

Anti-tank missions were called 'tank plinking' during Operation Desert Storm. Call it 90's nostalgia.

151 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:06:50pm

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

CNN has something:

Gadhafi gives audio address amid claims of rebel advances

The most relevant portion:

NATO also launched 47 airstrikes today. A number of Gaddafi vehicles got caught, including two tanks that got 'plinked' by NATO Mavericks.

Anti-tank missions were called 'tank plinking' during Operation Desert Storm. Call it 90's nostalgia.

Can't they get with the times and call it 'tank WTFPWNG'???

152 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:06:53pm

re: #149 HappyWarrior

Which is why she strongly supported gay marriage and the repeal of Don't Ask Tell. Oh wait.

In her mind, you can ascribe someone dignity and honor while denying them civil rights.

Not a good characteristic for a POTUS.

Then again, neither is running away from a seventeen-year-old boy.

153 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:06:56pm

re: #143 Gus 802

Firefox 6 'Released' Two Days Early

Note:

It seems Firefox 6 is available but be warned it may be be updated just before release (developers are a paranoid bunch). Those expecting a major graphical overhaul might be disappointed though; the sixth version of the mammalian browser brings under the hood improvements such as a major speed improvement for surfing the net.

154 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:08:15pm

re: #145 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

2d edition Planescape is the best RPG setting of all time.

OF ALL TIME!

Setting? 3rd Imperium, Spinward Marches. Now _THAT'S_ a setting.

Blows away everything TSR ever did. ;)

155 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:08:21pm

re: #151 Varek Raith

Can't they get with the times and call it 'tank WTFPWNG'???

Could you please upding it if you like it, Varek. I haven't gotten any dings lately and I'm not feeling the love.

156 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:08:37pm

re: #139 wlewisiii

My mom comes from Pittsburgh.

I think they died martyrs. They die so others don't have to be under tyranny, and so others can live. This is a just war.

Doesn't make it any less painful. :'(

157 Kragar  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:09:43pm

re: #154 wlewisiii

Setting? 3rd Imperium, Spinward Marches. Now _THAT'S_ a setting.

Blows away everything TSR ever did. ;)

My tiefling Athar cleric is disappoint.

158 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:10:25pm

re: #111 Dark_Falcon

n a way, the SoCons are right: We need to bring back public shame. Pam and her bigotred readers need to be subjected to such shaming.

Pam is social conservatism. Nothing about it needs to be perpetuated or emulated. Social conservatism is the refuge of dumb bigots, and cowards with no sense of self.

159 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:10:25pm

re: #143 Gus 802

Firefox 6 'Released' Two Days Early

Hopefully this one won't freeze like 4 and 5. I'd like a version of Firefox that works properly, I really would.

160 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:11:42pm

re: #153 Gus 802

Note:

Snicker.

I upgraded to 3.6 the other day for a specific use.

Otherwise it's Chrome. Firefox jumped the shark, turned around and jumped it back and then went and jumped it a third time just to thumb their noses at everyone who needs a decent browser.

To hell with firefux.

161 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:12:02pm

re: #149 HappyWarrior

Which is why she strongly supported gay marriage and the repeal of Don't Ask Tell. Oh wait.

Oh you should not say that! If only they were social conservatives like I am, they could be granted even more dignity and honor! They just choose not to!!!

162 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:12:13pm

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

Plinked is the best euphemism I have ever heard.

I blunt talk, it means the Tanks is now a scrap heap spread over a square kilometer.

163 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:13:16pm

re: #161 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Sad part is many a socon believes shit like that. You ain't shit if you don't accept Jesus.

164 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:13:36pm

re: #162 ProLifeLiberal

Plinked is the best euphemism I have ever heard.

I blunt talk, it means the Tanks is now a scrap heap spread over a square kilometer.

Boom shaka laka!

165 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:14:09pm

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

Hopefully this one won't freeze like 4 and 5. I'd like a version of Firefox that works properly, I really would.

Good luck. I've been getting some freezes since 3.6. Meh, it's OK still using 5.0.1 here now. I'm going to try this upload and see how it works.

166 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:14:52pm

re: #165 Gus 802

Good luck. I've been getting some freezes since 3.6. Meh, it's OK still using 5.0.1 here now. I'm going to try this upload and see how it works.

You can always go back and re-install an older version.

167 Kragar  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:15:00pm

re: #163 HappyWarrior

Sad part is many a socon believes shit like that. You ain't shit if you don't accept Jesus.

I accept Jesus. I just they're full of shit.

168 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:15:12pm

re: #162 ProLifeLiberal

Plinked is the best euphemism I have ever heard.

I blunt talk, it means the Tanks is now a scrap heap spread over a square kilometer.

More often they're in a few smaller pieces, often with the turret some distance away from what's left of the chassis. The T-72's ammunition storage below the turret floor makes it very vulnerable being hit by missiles or tank gunfire. When its ammo is hit, the explosions that follow sometime blow the turret of the tank clear off.

169 Kragar  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:15:42pm

re: #167 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I accept Jesus. I just think they're full of shit.

170 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:15:43pm

re: #163 HappyWarrior

Sad part is many a socon believes shit like that. You ain't shit if you don't accept Jesus.

They are supremacists who think everyone else was put here to be their dhimmis. You can tell by their reaction when their dhimmitude laws are snuffed in their miserable faces.

171 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:16:21pm

re: #167 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I accept Jesus. I just they're full of shit.

Heh kind of like the old quote about liking Christ very much but his followers.

172 Ming  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:16:34pm

Osama bin Laden wanted a holy war between Muslims and the West. Pam Geller's hate-filled writings are exactly what bin Laden wanted. Geller's writings are also a reminder of just how ugly racist incitement can be.

173 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:19:18pm

re: #156 ProLifeLiberal

Amen

174 laZardo  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:19:31pm

re: #167 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I accept Jesus. I just they're full of shit.

You accidentally the verb?

175 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:19:45pm

re: #168 Dark_Falcon

Have to see what NATO does tomorrow. They have to blunt the counterattacks form east and west against the rebel positions of the coast.

Because of the fact the rebels are at the coast now though, NATO can now use ships more directly.

I'm still shocked at how quickly this moved. Only 72 hours ago, Gharyan, Sorman, and Zawiya were under Qaddafi's control. But I'm very pleased.

176 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:19:47pm

re: #166 Mr Pancakes

You can always go back and re-install an older version.

I know. I really haven't noticed any big difference between this 5 that I'm using now and 3.6 overall. This works fine and really doesn't call for going back. Well, at least that's what I decided. I still don't like the way Opera looks. This will do for now. Will try this 6.0 shortly.

177 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:20:13pm

Hey all!

Speaking of Whackos™ -- Breviek was let out of his cell today to go back to the Island.

"Norwegian gunman Anders Behring Breivik has been taken back to the island of Utoeya for a police reconstruction of the killing of his 69 victims there.

Mr Breivik, wearing a bulletproof vest and tethered on a rope, was seen pointing to where he had fired shots. Police later said he showed no remorse.

Mr Breivik's attacks on 22 July also killed eight people in an Oslo bombing.

The 32-year-old far-right extremist admits the killings but denies any criminal guilt."

He thinks he is a hero. grrrrr!

How is everyone?

178 Kragar  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:20:38pm

re: #174 laZardo

You accidentally the verb?

I that might be the case.

179 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:21:21pm

re: #177 ggt

Hey all!

Speaking of Whackos™ -- Breviek was let out of his cell today to go back to the Island.

He thinks he is a hero. grrr!

How is everyone?

Sick bastard deserves to rot in jail for a long time.

180 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:21:59pm

re: #178 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I that might be the case.

Somebody set up us the bomb.

Night all, I is sleepy.

181 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:22:14pm

re: #127 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I got that too, but haven't been able to get to the Japanese supermarket lately.

The prices are sky high since Fukushima. Last time I went, a little over a month ago, it was like the people in the back just tacked on a dollar to the price of everything.

182 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:22:53pm

Damn bugs. Spider landed on my arm and then took off after re-landing on the floor.

183 laZardo  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:23:17pm

re: #175 ProLifeLiberal

The French are probably getting their tankers ready.

184 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:23:46pm

re: #179 HappyWarrior

Sick bastard deserves to rot in jail for a long time.

Yea what is it 21 year max?

185 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:24:51pm
187 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:26:11pm

re: #179 HappyWarrior

Sick bastard deserves to rot in jail for a long time.

You are a much nicer person than I.

188 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:27:46pm

re: #186 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Socons are socios.

Don't tar all socons with the same brush as that monster. Most social conservatives are not subscribers to his type of murderous ideas. Nor are most of them sociopaths. They're wedded to their worldview, but that's not sociopathy.

189 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:29:02pm

re: #184 Mr Pancakes

Yea what is it 21 year max?

They can keep him after that, in some sort of administrative custody.

190 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:29:03pm

re: #179 HappyWarrior

Sick bastard deserves to rot in jail for a long time.

Countries that have abolished the death penalty ought to reinstate it for crimes of this level.

191 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:29:54pm

re: #179 HappyWarrior

Sick bastard deserves to rot in jail for a long time.

In my thinking, what he deserves is to be hanged (after being found guilty of murder. Judged, not lynched.). Norway won't do that, but I favor the death penalty for cases like this. Because this scumbag shouldn't be breathing.

192 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:30:19pm

re: #183 laZardo

They've probably diverted some operations from everywhere else to air support over the area. Cooperation between the NTC and NATO has gotten better in the past month.

I'd expect a large number of airstrikes around this area tomorrow. Along with any possible Naval Fire.

193 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:30:33pm

re: #190 Mr Pancakes

Countries that have abolished the death penalty ought to reinstate it for crimes of this level.

I oppose the DP but I understand where you're coming form. The thing I am glad we all agree on here at LGF is that Anders Brevik is a cowardly bastard.

194 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:31:20pm

re: #158 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Pam is social conservatism. Nothing about it needs to be perpetuated or emulated. Social conservatism is the refuge of dumb bigots, and cowards with no sense of self.

Pam is something a bit different from 'social conservatism', I think. She's a one-issue nut who has managed to get some actual social conservatives interested in her narrative because it works with hers--but her only contribution beyond that is to not care what else any ally of hers is saying or doing.

195 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:31:28pm

The only things I know about Botswana, I learned from two series of books.

The famed "No. 1 Ladies Detective Agency" by Alexander McCall Smith

and: The Detective Kubu Series by Michael Stanley.

Both of which, I have enjoyed very much.

So this statement made me sad:

Last month, Mr Malema, 30, said the Botswana government was a puppet regime and a serious threat to Africa.

196 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:31:43pm

re: #190 Mr Pancakes

Countries that have abolished the death penalty ought to reinstate it for crimes of this level.

That's close to Mark Furman's view after investigating death penalty cases in Little Rock. He though that capital punishment should be greatly limited, but felt it still had a place for truly heinous crimes like mass murder.

197 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:31:54pm

re: #193 HappyWarrior

It does impress my in a weird way that Norway, even after this, is very resistant to reintroducing the Death Penalty.

198 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:32:12pm

re: #172 Ming

Osama bin Laden wanted a holy war between Muslims and the West. Pam Geller's hate-filled writings are exactly what bin Laden wanted. Geller's writings are also a reminder of just how ugly racist incitement can be.

Pam is completely of a mind with Bin Laden. She's just on the other side of the war.

199 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:32:18pm

re: #189 SanFranciscoZionist

They can keep him after that, in some sort of administrative custody.

I think it's 30 years, under a new law for terrorism. If they decide the law was in effect when he committed the crimes. Then it's the "every 5 years" if he is still considered a danger.

200 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:32:43pm

re: #193 HappyWarrior

I oppose the DP but I understand where you're coming form. The thing I am glad we all agree on here at LGF is that Anders Brevik is a cowardly bastard.

I respect your opinion....... I'm a firm believer in the DP.

201 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:33:23pm

re: #191 Dark_Falcon

In my thinking, what he deserves is to be hanged (after being found guilty of murder. Judged, not lynched.). Norway won't do that, but I favor the death penalty for cases like this. Because this scumbag shouldn't be breathing.

They burned the REAL Knights Templar, for imaginary crimes.

Stop me before I continue this line of thought any further.

202 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:33:33pm

re: #200 Mr Pancakes

I respect your opinion... I'm a firm believer in the DP.

Ditto. It's an emotional issue.

203 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:33:39pm

re: #190 Mr Pancakes

Countries that have abolished the death penalty ought to reinstate it for crimes of this level.

No.

It's too full of abuse even for the best of reasons.

The death penalty can never be appropriately applied. As a result, it never should be. There are too many like the ones Perry happily murdered to accept the concept any more.

Not even murder is an excuse for judicial murder.

204 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:34:35pm

re: #189 SanFranciscoZionist

They can keep him after that, in some sort of administrative custody.

Yeah but it will be 21 year [plus] of living in his 1 bedroom with TV; volleyball; dance classes; music studio; full library; etc. Now. I'm not worked up about this anymore. It's their country so they get to decide how to treat prisoners like him. This is not an endorsement of our somewhat draconian prison system either.

YMMV. Void where prohibited by law. Call now for free brochure.

205 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:34:49pm

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

Don't tar all socons with the same brush as that monster. Most social conservatives are not subscribers to his type of murderous ideas. Nor are most of them sociopaths. They're wedded to their worldview, but that's not sociopathy.

e_e

Breivik and the other socon bigot of the hour Pam Geller, share their garbage worldviews, and act out their eliminationist, supremacist impulses. The social and cultural conservative cowards Breivik parrots don't need him to "tar" them, they tar themselves just fine, all on their own.

206 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:35:30pm

re: #196 Dark_Falcon

That's close to Mark Furman's view after investigating death penalty cases in Little Rock. He though that capital punishment should be greatly limited, but felt it still had a place for truly heinous crimes like mass murder.

In cases like there, where there is absolutely NO DOUBT the man is a monster, I wholey support the Death Penalty. There is no reason society should be expected to waste it's resources keeping such a person alive, fed and in good health.

Why should someone like him have a warm bed to sleep in, 3 meals a day and a roof over his head at the People's expense, when there are law-abiding citizens who don't have those things?

207 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:36:02pm

re: #201 SanFranciscoZionist

They burned the REAL Knights Templar, for imaginary crimes.

Stop me before I continue this line of thought any further.

No need to take it further. Burning is far too cruel to ever use again. Hanging would kill him and do so in a way that makes clear we're killing him, while at the same time not torturing him in the process.

208 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:36:14pm

re: #195 ggt

LOLWUT?

Most of the things I have heard from many sources have called Botswana one of the most functional nations in Africa. Before the recession started in late 2007, Botswana was rated equal in stability to Portugal.

I've of this Malema fellow. He's massive scumbag.

209 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:36:31pm

re: #194 SanFranciscoZionist

Pam is something a bit different from 'social conservatism', I think. She's a one-issue nut who has managed to get some actual social conservatives interested in her narrative because it works with hers--but her only contribution beyond that is to not care what else any ally of hers is saying or doing.

True, she's a demagogue. But that does not mean she's not a social conservative. If socons fall for her demagoguery because what she says gives them comfort and pleasure, that says a lot about them.

210 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:37:15pm

re: #203 wlewisiii

No.

It's too full of abuse even for the best of reasons.

The death penalty can never be appropriately applied. As a result, it never should be. There are too many like the ones Perry happily murdered to accept the concept any more.

Not even murder is an excuse for judicial murder.

No, I'm talking about Norway catching a guy that shot kids on an island ..... he gets the death penalty. Nothing arbitrary about it.

211 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:37:29pm

re: #208 ProLifeLiberal

LOLWUT?

Most of the things I have heard from many sources have called Botswana one of the most functional nations in Africa. Before the recession started in late 2007, Botswana was rated equal in stability to Portugal. Portugal may have slipped since then.

I've heard of this Malema fellow. He's massive scumbag.

Proof-reading, I should do.

212 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:37:52pm

re: #208 ProLifeLiberal

LOLWUT?

Most of the things I have heard from many sources have called Botswana one of the most functional nations in Africa. Before the recession started in late 2007, Botswana was rated equal in stability to Portugal.

I've of this Malema fellow. He's massive scumbag.

That's what I thought. I think I did some research after reading the McCall Smith books. Both series are written by white UK men. So I thought I should check some facts. McCall Smith grew-up in Botswana and loves the country. Anyway, I think I remember it being a sort of Oasis of sanity in the middle of some really messed-up countries.

213 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:38:40pm

re: #204 Gus 802

Yeah but it will be 21 year [plus] of living in his 1 bedroom with TV; volleyball; dance classes; music studio; full library; etc. Now. I'm not worked up about this anymore. It's their country so they get to decide how to treat prisoners like him. This is not an endorsement of our somewhat draconian prison system either.

YMMV. Void where prohibited by law. Call now for free brochure.

I can't get myself worked into a frenzy over it. It's not how I would deal with him, but I am a product of a much harsher culture. I'd still like to see him suffer a lot more than he will.

But as long as he never walks free again, it's none of my damn business.

214 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:38:49pm

re: #206 ggt

In cases like there, where there is absolutely NO DOUBT the man is a monster, I wholey support the Death Penalty. There is no reason society should be expected to waste it's resources keeping such a person alive, fed and in good health.

Why should someone like him have a warm bed to sleep in, 3 meals a day and a roof over his head at the People's expense, when there are law-abiding citizens who don't have those things?

Quite Concur. Whatever you think of Illinois's now ended death penalty, it was justly used on John Wayne Gacy. Because letting that scumbag live would have been its own evil.

215 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:39:45pm

re: #214 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur. Whatever you think of Illinois's now ended death penalty, it was justly used on John Wayne Gacy. Because letting that scumbag live would have been its own evil.

Wisconsin (?) had their own way of dealing with Dahmer.

216 laZardo  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:39:59pm

re: #212 ggt

That's what I thought. I think I did some research after reading the McCall Smith books. Both series are written by white UK men. So I thought I should check some facts. McCall Smith grew-up in Botswana and loves the country. Anyway, I think I remember it being a sort of Oasis of sanity in the middle of some really messed-up countries.

1 in 5 Botswana adults have HIV/AIDS.

217 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:40:13pm

re: #210 Mr Pancakes

No, I'm talking about Norway catching a guy that shot kids on an island ... he gets the death penalty. Nothing arbitrary about it.

Once you find any excuse, the second time is easier. Just ask any alcoholic.

And with that, good night.

218 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:40:25pm

re: #207 Dark_Falcon

No need to take it further. Burning is far too cruel to ever use again. Hanging would kill him and do so in a way that makes clear we're killing him, while at the same time not torturing him in the process.

I completely agree, but at the same time, a malicious little voice in my head keeps saying "He wants to be a Templar? Cool, he can emulate De Molay right up to the end."

It's not a serious suggestion, it's an idle revenge fantasy.

219 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:40:50pm

I understand pro DP pov and I freely admit that if a loved one was killed by a Brevik or Gacy who DF just mentioned, it would be tough not just to keep my opposition to the DP but to not go all vigilante.

220 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:41:30pm

re: #204 Gus 802

Yeah but it will be 21 year [plus] of living in his 1 bedroom with TV; volleyball; dance classes; music studio; full library; etc. Now. I'm not worked up about this anymore. It's their country so they get to decide how to treat prisoners like him. This is not an endorsement of our somewhat draconian prison system either.

YMMV. Void where prohibited by law. Call now for free brochure.

Finding our system too harsh still leaves lots of room to prefer that Brevik suffer. In his case rehabilitation is impossible, and in my mind the goal then becomes retribution.

221 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:41:41pm

re: #215 ggt

Wisconsin (?) had their own way of dealing with Dahmer.

Ed Gein too though that dude was put in a mental hospital.

222 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:41:41pm

re: #216 laZardo

1 in 5 Botswana adults have HIV/AIDS.

That is very sad. But, what does it have to do with how well the government works?

223 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:41:41pm

re: #217 wlewisiii

Once you find any excuse, the second time is easier. Just ask any alcoholic.

And with that, good night.

We don't agree...... but goodnight to you.

224 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:41:48pm

Tomorrow I am going to start clearing out my storage room and moving everything to a rented storage unit. I will also strip and sweep the floor. The reason for this is that I also use it as a workshop for my hobbies, especially building model airplanes. On my last two attempts to do this, I have dropped critical parts and they have vanished from the face of the Earth. I hear them hit the hardwood floor and bounce, then they either vaporize or disappear into hyperspace. There is a lot of stuff in there and the floors are paint stained and the like. Maybe if I clean it so completely as to pass the white glove test, and examine every bit of trash with a magnifying glass, I will find the missing parts. I might also see if I can invent some sort of spectrographic scanner that will detect and pinpoint regularly shaped bits of plastic. My real suspicion, of course, is that this is some kind of mysterious vortex similar to the Bermuda Triangle or the sock-eater on my washing machine.

225 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:43:11pm

re: #224 Shiplord Kirel

Tomorrow I am going to start clearing out my storage room and moving everything to a rented storage unit. I will also strip and sweep the floor. The reason for this is that I also use it as a workshop for my hobbies, especially building model airplanes. On my last two attempts to do this, I have dropped critical parts and they have vanished from the face of the Earth. I hear them hit the hardwood floor and bounce, then they either vaporize or disappear into hyperspace. There is a lot of stuff in there and the floors are paint stained and the like. Maybe if I clean it so completely as to pass the white glove test, and examine every bit of trash with a magnifying glass, I will find the missing parts. I might also see if I can invent some sort of spectrographic scanner that will detect and pinpoint regularly shaped bits of plastic. My real suspicion, of course, is that this is some kind of mysterious vortex similar to the Bermuda Triangle or the sock-eater on my washing machine.

Have you burned incense and made an offering to the Cat Overlord?

226 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:43:21pm

re: #213 SanFranciscoZionist

I can't get myself worked into a frenzy over it. It's not how I would deal with him, but I am a product of a much harsher culture. I'd still like to see him suffer a lot more than he will.

But as long as he never walks free again, it's none of my damn business.

Exactly. Avoiding the frenzy is better for our mental health. I was just wondering though if they would have to put someone like this in isolation though. I'm sure even with the somewhat plush Norwegian prison surroundings that other prisoners in the system would just love to get some time with him alone to do some damage. Such as the way child murderers are treated by fellow prisoners here in the states.

227 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:44:21pm

re: #204 Gus 802

Yeah but it will be 21 year [plus] of living in his 1 bedroom with TV; volleyball; dance classes; music studio; full library; etc. Now. I'm not worked up about this anymore. It's their country so they get to decide how to treat prisoners like him. This is not an endorsement of our somewhat draconian prison system either.

YMMV. Void where prohibited by law. Call now for free brochure.

Our prison system is beyond draconian, it dehumanizes, destroys, creates costs and liabilities instead of focusing on rehabilitation and what's best for society. My uncle went in for armed robbery and almost killed a man in prison, then came out with AIDS. Now he's on Social Security disability and state Medicaid and will represent a debit on the government's balance sheet for the rest of his life. Lose-lose.

It's hard not to feel that the treatment Anders is going to receive is ridiculously lax and unjustifiable in light of his crimes, but our society has created exponentially more mass murderers, and harsher punishment sure hasn't proved to be any sort of cure.

228 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:44:51pm

re: #195 ggt

The only things I know about Botswana, I learned from two series of books.

The famed "No. 1 Ladies Detective Agency" by Alexander McCall Smith

and: The Detective Kubu Series by Michael Stanley.

Both of which, I have enjoyed very much.

So this statement made me sad:

Last month, Mr Malema, 30, said the Botswana government was a puppet regime and a serious threat to Africa.

What I know of it comes from the anti-Apartheid years.

No 1 Ladies Detective Agency was a cute show.

229 laZardo  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:44:54pm

re: #222 ggt

That is very sad. But, what does it have to do with how well the government works?

Maybe it's the underlying thing that the government is trying to work on, or the flipside to all that stability.

230 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:46:44pm

re: #224 Shiplord Kirel

Just, please be careful with the knives!

231 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:46:53pm

re: #228 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

What I know of it comes from the anti-Apartheid years.

No 1 Ladies Detective Agency was a cute show.

The books are wonderful, easy, humorous reads. The author has good insight into human behavior and uses the main character to highlight the good and the bad. I've truly come to love the characters he has created and thoroughly understand why the books have spurned a bunch of little old white ladies to seek Botswana as a vacation destination.

232 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:46:58pm

I've got an early start to tomorrow, so I'm going to sign off now. Good talk, folks.

233 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:48:10pm

re: #227 goddamnedfrank

It's hard not to feel that the treatment Anders is going to receive is ridiculously lax and unjustifiable in light of his crimes, but our society has created exponentially more mass murderers, and harsher punishment sure hasn't proved to be any sort of cure.

Anders is also a product of our own filthy socon socios. If he's shown no remorse, which I do not doubt at all, I wish they could just lock him up and keep him pumped full of antipsychotics.

234 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:49:09pm

re: #227 goddamnedfrank

Our prison system is beyond draconian, it dehumanizes, destroys, creates costs and liabilities instead of focusing on rehabilitation and what's best for society. My uncle went in for armed robbery and almost killed a man in prison, then came out with AIDS. Now he's on Social Security disability and state Medicaid and will represent a debit on the government's balance sheet for the rest of his life. Lose-lose.

It's hard not to feel that the treatment Anders is going to receive is ridiculously lax and unjustifiable in light of his crimes, but our society has created exponentially more mass murderers, and harsher punishment sure hasn't proved to be any sort of cure.

I'm pretty sure prison is designed to make your stay miserable. Then again I could be wrong.

235 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:49:21pm

re: #227 goddamnedfrank

Our prison system is beyond draconian, it dehumanizes, destroys, creates costs and liabilities instead of focusing on rehabilitation and what's best for society. My uncle went in for armed robbery and almost killed a man in prison, then came out with AIDS. Now he's on Social Security disability and state Medicaid and will represent a debit on the government's balance sheet for the rest of his life. Lose-lose.

It's hard not to feel that the treatment Anders is going to receive is ridiculously lax and unjustifiable in light of his crimes, but our society has created exponentially more mass murderers, and harsher punishment sure hasn't proved to be any sort of cure.

In an ideal world, I'd like to let some stupid kid who knocked over a liquor store go to the Norwegian prison, and we'll stick Anders in Supermax...not an ideal world.

236 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:50:25pm

re: #231 ggt

The books are wonderful, easy, humorous reads. The author has good insight into human behavior and uses the main character to highlight the good and the bad. I've truly come to love the characters he has created and thoroughly understand why the books have spurned a bunch of little old white ladies to seek Botswana as a vacation destination.

Has that been the result of the show?

237 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:50:33pm

re: #233 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Anders is also a product of our own filthy socon socios. If he's shown no remorse, which I do not doubt at all, I wish they could just lock him up and keep him pumped full of antipsychotics.

torture by mental health treatment?

oooh, not good.

Although I agree, he needs treatment. Just wish he would have gotten treatment BEFORE he committed the crime.

238 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:51:06pm

re: #235 SanFranciscoZionist

In an ideal world, I'd like to let some stupid kid who knocked over a liquor store go to the Norwegian prison, and we'll stick Anders in Supermax Texas...not an ideal world.

FTFY

239 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:51:47pm

re: #227 goddamnedfrank

Our prison system is beyond draconian, it dehumanizes, destroys, creates costs and liabilities instead of focusing on rehabilitation and what's best for society. My uncle went in for armed robbery and almost killed a man in prison, then came out with AIDS. Now he's on Social Security disability and state Medicaid and will represent a debit on the government's balance sheet for the rest of his life. Lose-lose.

It's hard not to feel that the treatment Anders is going to receive is ridiculously lax and unjustifiable in light of his crimes, but our society has created exponentially more mass murderers, and harsher punishment sure hasn't proved to be any sort of cure.

Terrible with what happened to your uncle. I really don't even want to think about sometimes. I went in for jury duty once and couldn't even stand the atmosphere of the justice building. Watching the prisoners (or defendants) in their orange jumpsuits with leg shackles. They almost had a medicated quality to them. The hyper and animated nature of the attorneys. The god like characters of the judges. The enraged and worried families of the victims and the defendants. It was a different world then mine. I just wanted to get out of the place fast.

240 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:52:24pm

re: #238 ggt

FTFY

I think she meant prison..... not running loose in Austin.

241 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:52:27pm

re: #236 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Has that been the result of the show?

The books.

242 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:52:49pm

re: #240 Mr Pancakes

I think she meant prison... not running loose in Austin.

Well, either way, I don't think he'd last long.

243 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:53:00pm

re: #237 ggt

torture by mental health treatment?

oooh, not good.

No, not torture, keeping him from being a danger to himself and others.

Although I agree, he needs treatment. Just wish he would have gotten treatment BEFORE he committed the crime.

I don't think that illness that spawned that manifesto is treatable, any more than any other terrorist mentality is treatable.

244 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:53:50pm

re: #239 Gus 802

Terrible with what happened to your uncle. I really don't even want to think about sometimes. I went in for jury duty once and couldn't even stand the atmosphere of the justice building. Watching the prisoners (or defendants) in their orange jumpsuits with leg shackles. They almost had a medicated quality to them. The hyper and animated nature of the attorneys. The god like characters of the judges. The enraged and worried families of the victims and the defendants. It was a different world then mine. I just wanted to get out of the place fast.

Our system is set-up as a deterrant. And it works for most people. We absolutely don't want to be part of The System.

245 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:55:03pm

re: #243 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

No, not torture, keeping him from being a danger to himself and others.

I don't think that illness that spawned that manifesto is treatable, any more than any other terrorist mentality is treatable.

I don't know OhCrap. I think there is a critical period. If treatment is introduced before the person reaches that period, they may not change their way of thinking, but they may be prevented from acting on their beliefs.

246 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:55:38pm

re: #235 SanFranciscoZionist

In an ideal world, I'd like to let some stupid kid who knocked over a liquor store go to the Norwegian prison, and we'll stick Anders in Supermax...not an ideal world.

Lends a whole new meaning to "prisoner exchange".

247 laZardo  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:56:24pm

re: #244 ggt

Our system is set-up as a deterrant. And it works for most people. We absolutely don't want to be part of The System.

So they make the System come to us, whether we want it or not.

For profit.

248 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:57:07pm

re: #244 ggt

Our system is set-up as a deterrant. And it works for most people. We absolutely don't want to be part of The System.

I don't get the whole rehabilitation thing...... we have a 3 strikes law in CA. What, you want to try to rehabilitate them after 3 felonies? Puhleeze.

Gosh...... I've managed to get through my life without 1 felony..... but that's just me.

249 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 10:58:12pm

re: #239 Gus 802

Terrible with what happened to your uncle.

It's even worse than I've let on. He used to work as a prison guard in the same state system he was sentenced to ... yeah, I don't even want to imagine what he went through. He'd become a meth addict and the rest of the pieces just sort of fell into place.

I really don't even want to think about sometimes. I went in for jury duty once and couldn't even stand the atmosphere of the justice building. Watching the prisoners (or defendants) in their orange jumpsuits with leg shackles. They almost had a medicated quality to them. The hyper and animated nature of the attorneys. The god like characters of the judges. The enraged and worried families of the victims and the defendants. It was a different world then mine. I just wanted to get out of the place fast.

The system is designed for the soulless and the creation thereof, abandon all hope ye who enter here.

250 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:00:46pm

re: #245 ggt

I don't know OhCrap. I think there is a critical period. If treatment is introduced before the person reaches that period, they may not change their way of thinking, but they may be prevented from acting on their beliefs.

Trying to change people like that is a wasted effort. Had more people been paying attention, 80 people would not have been slaughtered by that filthy bigot. Now all of Norway is stuck with what to do with him.

251 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:01:09pm

re: #248 Mr Pancakes

I don't get the whole rehabilitation thing... we have a 3 strikes law in CA. What, you want to try to rehabilitate them after 3 felonies? Puhleeze.

Gosh... I've managed to get through my life without 1 felony... but that's just me.

A felony can be a relatively light offense. So you wind up with people that have committed three "stupid" felonies going to jail for life while murderers who have committed only one felony getting 8 years on manslaughter after a plea bargain. You also wind up with overcrowded prisons such as in California.

252 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:01:18pm

re: #248 Mr Pancakes

I don't get the whole rehabilitation thing... we have a 3 strikes law in CA. What, you want to try to rehabilitate them after 3 felonies? Puhleeze.

Gosh... I've managed to get through my life without 1 felony... but that's just me.

I think we've gotten to the point that, unfortunately, there is a whole group of people who are born in the system and never know any other way. So it becomes a self-perpetuating problem.

Education and Contraception are my only answers.

253 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:03:57pm

re: #251 Gus 802

A felony can be a relatively light offense. So you wind up with people that have committed three "stupid" felonies going to jail for life while murderers who have committed only one felony getting 8 years on manslaughter after a plea bargain. You also wind up with overcrowded prisons such as in California.

Ok..... maybe if I had two felonies I probably wouldn't commit a 3rd, even if it's a light one? Just sayin'.

254 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:04:19pm

re: #248 Mr Pancakes

I don't get the whole rehabilitation thing... we have a 3 strikes law in CA. What, you want to try to rehabilitate them after 3 felonies? Puhleeze.

Gosh... I've managed to get through my life without 1 felony... but that's just me.

3 strikes laws have gotten witnesses killed you shortsighted idiot. The third strike doesn't have to be violent, but it ramps up the chance of violence and resistance. It costs society and endangers officers all to feed your sense of superiority.

255 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:05:06pm

re: #251 Gus 802

A felony can be a relatively light offense. So you wind up with people that have committed three "stupid" felonies going to jail for life while murderers who have committed only one felony getting 8 years on manslaughter after a plea bargain. You also wind up with overcrowded prisons such as in California.

What is and isn't a felony can be changed by a simple sentence in an unread piece of legislation that is passed.

If our "elected officials" decided to pass a law that marrying a person they don't want you to marry is a felony . . .. or looking a cop cross-eyed is a felony.

You get my point.

In my mind there is a line -- rape, child molestation, pre-meditated murder, arson are things that cannot be excused. Having a joint in your pocket -- ya' know, I just don't see that has major crime.

256 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:05:32pm

re: #254 goddamnedfrank

3 strikes laws have gotten witnesses killed you shortsighted idiot. The third strike doesn't have to be violent, but it ramps up the chance of violence and resistance. It costs society and endangers officers all to feed your sense of superiority.

Wow are you pissed dude? I'm just stating the law.

257 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:06:29pm

re: #254 goddamnedfrank

3 strikes laws have gotten witnesses killed you shortsighted idiot. The third strike doesn't have to be violent, but it ramps up the chance of violence and resistance. It costs society and endangers officers all to feed your sense of superiority.

A silly parole violation could be a 3rd strike.

It's not always a cut and dried as we'd like to think it is.

Yet, IMHO, the Andrew Brevieks of the world do not need to live at the rest of society's expense.

258 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:07:05pm

re: #255 ggt

What is and isn't a felony can be changed by a simple sentence in an unread piece of legislation that is passed.

If our "elected officials" decided to pass a law that marrying a person they don't want you to marry is a felony . . .. or looking a cop cross-eyed is a felony.

You get my point.

In my mind there is a line -- rape, child molestation, pre-meditated murder, arson are things that cannot be excused. Having a joint in your pocket -- ya' know, I just don't see that has major crime.

In otherwords three violent felonies, I'm positively inclined to that but Frank did bring up a valid point IMO that these laws lead to greater chances of violence and resistance.

259 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:08:12pm

re: #251 Gus 802

A felony can be a relatively light offense. So you wind up with people that have committed three "stupid" felonies going to jail for life while murderers who have committed only one felony getting 8 years on manslaughter after a plea bargain. You also wind up with overcrowded prisons such as in California.

And situations where they're just let go, because of overcrowding.

Trigger-happy-con solution:

Moar prizzins!!!!!

Stupid idiots.

260 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:09:18pm

re: #258 HappyWarrior

In otherwords three violent felonies, I'm positively inclined to that but Frank did bring up a valid point IMO that these laws lead to greater chances of violence and resistance.

I'd have to see some hard research on that.

A young person committed 3 acts in a short amount of time as opposed to a career criminal getting caught 3 times in a 10 year period --

two different situations.

261 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:09:57pm

re: #259 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

And situations where they're just let go, because of overcrowding.

Trigger-happy-con solution:

Stupid idiots.

It's funny to me that they're not small government at all when it comes to that. But that's another reason I think most self described small government conservatives are dishonest intellectually. Now, if you had more of them favoring things like medicinal marijuana and marijuana decriminalization, I'd buy it but most hardcore cons I know are the biggest opponents of drug reform laws I know.

262 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:10:31pm

re: #253 Mr Pancakes

Ok... maybe if I had two felonies I probably wouldn't commit a 3rd, even if it's a light one? Just sayin'.

Nah. I still don't buy it. Mandatory sentencing guidelines and the three strikes law is wrong. About the only conditions I would agree with this would be with violent or sexual crimes. But getting caught forging checks on three different occasions over a period of years doesn't warrant a life sentence.

263 laZardo  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:10:43pm

WTF NEWS STOP TALKING ABOUT JESSIE BECKWITH

/deep breath

264 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:11:37pm

re: #262 Gus 802

Nah. I still don't buy it. Mandatory sentencing guidelines and the three strikes law is wrong. About the only conditions I would agree with this would be with violent or sexual crimes. But getting caught forging checks on three different occasions over a period of years doesn't warrant a life sentence.

This is it. Big difference between a three time check fraud artist and a person with a history of violent behavior.

265 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:11:40pm

re: #262 Gus 802

Nah. I still don't buy it. Mandatory sentencing guidelines and the three strikes law is wrong. About the only conditions I would agree with this would be with violent or sexual crimes. But getting caught forging checks on three different occasions over a period of years doesn't warrant a life sentence.

My point is...... maybe you shouldn't forge checks 3 times?

266 Kragar  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:11:47pm

And their is possible way for anyone to take advantage of the current privatization of US Prisons.

Pennsylvania Judge Gets 'Life Sentence' For Prison Kickback Scheme

He was found guilty in February of racketeering for taking a $1 million kickback from the builder of for-profit prisons for juveniles. Ciavarella who left the bench over two years ago after he and another judge, Michael Conahan, were accused of sentencing youngsters to prisons they had a hand in building. Prosecutors alleged that Conahan, who pleaded guilty last year and is awaiting sentencing, and Ciavarella received kick-backs from the private company that built and maintained the new youth detention facility that replaced the older county-run center.

Ciavarella, who presided over juvenile court, sent kids to juvenile detention for crimes such as possession of drug paraphernalia, stealing a jar of nutmeg and posting web page spoofs about an assistant principal (3 months of hard time). Some of those sentenced were as young as 10 years old. A mother of one of those sentenced by judge Caivarella lashed out at him after the guilty verdict. Sandy Fonzo’s son, Edward, was a promising young athlete in high school when at the age of 17 he found himself in front of judge Caivarella for possession of drug paraphernalia. With no prior convictions, the judge sentenced Edward to months in private prisons and a wilderness camp…he missed his entire senior year in high school. Edward never recovered from the experience according to his mother and in June 2010 he took his own life at the age of 23.

Nope. No way of abusing the private prison system and no harm in it at all.

267 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:11:58pm

Who is Jessie Beckwith?

I know, google is my friend.

268 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:12:33pm

re: #266 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And their is possible way for anyone to take advantage of the current privatization of US Prisons.

Pennsylvania Judge Gets 'Life Sentence' For Prison Kickback Scheme

Nope. No way of abusing the private prison system and no harm in it at all.

Every system gets abused.

269 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:12:53pm

re: #266 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And their is possible way for anyone to take advantage of the current privatization of US Prisons.

Pennsylvania Judge Gets 'Life Sentence' For Prison Kickback Scheme

Nope. No way of abusing the private prison system and no harm in it at all.

Too bad they can't give the lives back of the kids whose lives they ruined. Life is a fair sentence though. Greedy assholes.

270 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:14:13pm

re: #265 Mr Pancakes

My point is... maybe you shouldn't forge checks 3 times?

That could work in theory and for most people but doesn't work in practice. If check forging is a problem it should not be solved by sticking people in "Rikers Island" for the rest of their lives. If we want a solution then we need to find a different one. I think sending these people to prison for the rest of their lives if morally wrong.

271 laZardo  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:14:56pm

Fuck I'm going to bed.

Nighty~

272 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:14:56pm

re: #267 ggt

Who is Jessie Beckwith?

I know, google is my friend.

google isn't giving me ANYTHING.

how strange is that?

273 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:16:11pm

re: #270 Gus 802

That could work in theory and for most people but doesn't work in practice. If check forging is a problem it should not be solved by sticking people in "Rikers Island" for the rest of their lives. If we want a solution then we need to find a different one. I think sending these people to prison for the rest of their lives if is morally wrong.

PIMF. And just to clarify, again, for non-violent offenses and with regards to the 3 strikes law.

274 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:16:29pm

re: #270 Gus 802

That could work in theory and for most people but doesn't work in practice. If check forging is a problem it should not be solved by sticking people in "Rikers Island" for the rest of their lives. If we want a solution then we need to find a different one. I think sending these people to prison for the rest of their lives if morally wrong.

I've been broke........ I've never forged a check .... ever. I'm all ears..... what would be your plan if the forth time it was your check?

275 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:17:11pm

re: #261 HappyWarrior

It's funny to me that they're not small government at all when it comes to that. But that's another reason I think most self described small government conservatives are dishonest intellectually. Now, if you had more of them favoring things like medicinal marijuana and marijuana decriminalization, I'd buy it but most hardcore cons I know are the biggest opponents of drug reform laws I know.

It's pretty simple from my pov: they are small government for themselves, and big, disproportionate, invasive, intrusive, repressive, punitive, social-engineering overreach government at everyone else.

Oh yeah, and everyone else's taxes are supposed to go to pay for this. The term "small government" is one big eyeroll generator, afaic.

276 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:19:36pm

re: #274 Mr Pancakes

I've been broke... I've never forged a check ... ever. I'm all ears... what would be your plan if the forth time it was your check?

Prizzin foar life because I am prolife!!!

277 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:20:37pm

re: #276 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Ok...... I misspelled fourth...... will you forgive me?

278 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:22:14pm

Has everyone done their obligatory tweets, facebook posts and emails?

Please #1

&

Pretty Please #2

Because no matter how loud or how long I SCREAM, I am only one person.

I truly appreciate your efforts!

279 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:22:54pm

re: #277 Mr Pancakes

Ok... I misspelled fourth... will you forgive me?

Everybody makes typos.

280 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:23:32pm

re: #279 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Everybody makes typos.

That's waht I thought.

281 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:24:24pm

re: #274 Mr Pancakes

I've been broke... I've never forged a check ... ever. I'm all ears... what would be your plan if the forth time it was your check?

I don't know. Off the bat I would say reduce it from life to something like 8 years. So it could be a three strikes law but resulting in an extended prison sentence as opposed to a life sentence. Say you catch the guy forging checks and when he's 40 he finally gets his third strike and goes to jail until he's 70. That would be 30 years. It costs about 30,000 dollars per prisoner to be incarcerated. 30,000 X 30 = $900,000. Now. Money doesn't buy everything but what could we do for his criminal for say, half. What could be done spending $450,000 to rehabilitate, educate, and possibly attempt psychological therapy for said individual?

282 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:25:43pm

How many Floral Giraffes does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

283 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:27:22pm

re: #281 Gus 802

I don't know. Off the bat I would say reduce it from life to something like 8 years. So it could be a three strikes law but resulting in an extended prison sentence as opposed to a life sentence. Say you catch the guy forging checks and when he's 40 he finally gets his third strike and goes to jail until he's 70. That would be 30 years. It costs about 30,000 dollars per prisoner to be incarcerated. 30,000 X 30 = $900,000. Now. Money doesn't buy everything but what could we do for his criminal for say, half. What could be done spending $450,000 to rehabilitate, educate, and possibly attempt psychological therapy for said individual?

If that's what is needed --or perhaps vocational training, if the problem is actually that the person can't get a paying job?

testing for learning disabilities is probably my #1 choice for repeat offenders. Dyslexia is a real issue.

284 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:28:58pm

re: #281 Gus 802

I don't know. Off the bat I would say reduce it from life to something like 8 years. So it could be a three strikes law but resulting in an extended prison sentence as opposed to a life sentence. Say you catch the guy forging checks and when he's 40 he finally gets his third strike and goes to jail until he's 70. That would be 30 years. It costs about 30,000 dollars per prisoner to be incarcerated. 30,000 X 30 = $900,000. Now. Money doesn't buy everything but what could we do for his criminal for say, half. What could be done spending $450,000 to rehabilitate, educate, and possibly attempt psychological therapy for said individual?

Well you are very kind... what we spend on prisoners is obscene. Broken brains are broken brains........ you can try to fix them if you want. I'm sure there are some out there that can be fixed.

285 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:30:06pm

I have a new Libya Page up!

286 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:30:41pm

re: #284 Mr Pancakes

Well you are very kind... what we spend on prisoners is obscene. Broken brains are broken brains... you can try to fix them if you want. I'm sure there are some out there that can be fixed.

I don't agree with that at all. Often it's spirits that are broken, not brains. If a person has been told their whole life that they are stupid --because they can't read . . .

287 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:30:58pm

re: #283 ggt

If that's what is needed --or perhaps vocational training, if the problem is actually that the person can't get a paying job?

testing for learning disabilities is probably my #1 choice for repeat offenders. Dyslexia is a real issue.

Vocational training, college, military, etc. Frankly, we should have free colleges available to all Americans. The money is there obviously. We just spend it on other things. One of those things is on the prison-industrial complex. Yes, that might be a cliche but it's what we have. And it includes the judicial system, bail bonds industry, attorneys, law enforcement, etc. That and other things like sending 20 billion dollars to our "friends" in Pakistan.

288 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:31:53pm

re: #286 ggt

I don't agree with that at all. Often it's spirits that are broken, not brains. If a person has been told their whole life that they are stupid --because they can't read . . .

Yea I know..... but we're talking 3 felonies here.

289 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:32:56pm

re: #287 Gus 802

Vocational training, college, military, etc. Frankly, we should have free colleges available to all Americans. The money is there obviously. We just spend it on other things. One of those things is on the prison-industrial complex. Yes, that might be a cliche but it's what we have. And it includes the judicial system, bail bonds industry, attorneys, law enforcement, etc. That and other things like sending 20 billion dollars to our "friends" in Pakistan.

I could go for that. At least for a two-year associates type degree in jobs that are in demand. Then the person could choose to go further if it is their desire --companies could offer it as a benefit.

Not everyone *needs* a 4 year scholarly type degree. From what I've learned from Mike Rowe, it is probably the last thing we need are more B.S's in business.

290 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:33:09pm

re: #284 Mr Pancakes

Well you are very kind... what we spend on prisoners is obscene. Broken brains are broken brains... you can try to fix them if you want. I'm sure there are some out there that can be fixed.

Well. We can try. We never really tried. I think that our system is broken overall and not just with the judicial system. It's one of many problems we all face daily. Not everybody can be fixed and there should always be room for life sentences even for non-violent offenders. In fact, some criminals actively seek a life sentence to become wards of the state for life.

291 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:33:28pm

re: #282 ggt

LOL!

292 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:35:35pm

re: #282 ggt

How many Floral Giraffes does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

How many?

293 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:35:51pm

re: #288 Mr Pancakes

Yea I know... but we're talking 3 felonies here.

What kind of felonies and in what time period.

a 21 year old, who has robbed three times or a 29 year old career criminal.

Frankly, the more stupid the crime, the more likely the criminal is in need of special education.

I've come to believe there really are that many "stupid" people. Just people who don't learn the way most schools are set-up to teach.

In a perfect world, we have the ability to adjudicate each criminal on an individual basis and sentence them according the the best needs of the individual and society.

But, we are human . . .

294 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:37:04pm

re: #292 Mr Pancakes

How many?

Only One, because Floral Giraffes are really smart.

295 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:37:23pm

re: #294 ggt

Only One, because Floral Giraffes are really smart.

IIRC

296 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:37:35pm

re: #293 ggt

What kind of felonies and in what time period.

a 21 year old, who has robbed three times or a 29 year old career criminal.

Frankly, the more stupid the crime, the more likely the criminal is in need of special education.

I've come to believe there really are that many "stupid" people. Just people who don't learn the way most schools are set-up to teach.

In a perfect world, we have the ability to adjudicate each criminal on an individual basis and sentence them according the the best needs of the individual and society.

But, we are human . . .


Well ... what felony cutoff do you want then? None? Ever?

297 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:38:25pm

re: #296 Mr Pancakes

Well ... what felony cutoff do you want then? None? Ever?

The better question is, why do you think mandatory sentencing and crud like 3 strikes laws are deterrents?

298 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:38:55pm

re: #294 ggt

Only One, because Floral Giraffes are really smart.

Plus, they are tall enough to change the light bulb without having to stand on a chair.

299 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:39:40pm

re: #296 Mr Pancakes

Well ... what felony cutoff do you want then? None? Ever?

Like I said, rape, incest, child molestation, pre-meditated murder, arson . . .

At the very least could we give people comprehensive reproduction education? If not in schools, that in prison.

300 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:40:28pm

re: #297 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

The better question is, why do you think mandatory sentencing and crud like 3 strikes laws are deterrents?

They aren't a deterant, they are a way to keep career criminals from committing more crime--after they have been caught three times and are incarcerated.

301 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:40:34pm

re: #297 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

The better question is, why do you think mandatory sentencing and crud like 3 strikes laws are deterrents?

Sure they are deterrents.... the perps are in prison...... is that not a deterrent?

302 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:40:49pm

re: #296 Mr Pancakes

Well ... what felony cutoff do you want then? None? Ever?

We could start by stop creating so many felonies. This is typically done through legislation and amendments to the US Code and state codes. We have a lot of strange laws. As you know urinating in public can land someone in jail and with a sexual offense judgement. That's not a felony as far as I know but it's an example of how extreme things can get.

303 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:43:04pm

re: #302 Gus 802

We could start by stop creating so many felonies. This is typically done through legislation and amendments to the US Code and state codes. We have a lot of strange laws. As you know urinating in public can land someone in jail and with a sexual offense judgement. That's not a felony as far as I know but it's an example of how extreme things can get.

Agreed....... picking avocados here in SoCal can be a felony.

304 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:44:56pm

Owning a certain firearm that looks ugly and dangerous was a felony for a while, IIRC. Even though that firearm was the same as another that didn't look so dangerous.

305 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:45:50pm

Foral Giraffe, when I know you are here, but you are not posting, I feel like you are looming behind me with that really long neck, watching me type.

How are you?

306 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:47:36pm

WhoTF is Jessie Beckwith?

307 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:47:37pm

re: #303 Mr Pancakes

Agreed... picking avocados here in SoCal can be a felony.

Yeah. You know what's funny? I smoke. So here I am in California now and ashing your cigarette can get you a nice hefty 500 dollar fine. So, I set up a soda can in the cup holder and have been using it faithfully. This afternoon I'm coming back home from getting a burger and almost on autopilot nearly ashed my cigarette outside the car window. Woosh! I put the cig back in my right hand. If there had been a cop behind me I would have possibly ended up with a 500 dollar fine only because something slipped my mind.

308 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:52:27pm

re: #307 Gus 802

Yeah. You know what's funny? I smoke. So here I am in California now and ashing your cigarette can get you a nice hefty 500 dollar fine. So, I set up a soda can in the cup holder and have been using it faithfully. This afternoon I'm coming back home from getting a burger and almost on autopilot nearly ashed my cigarette outside the car window. Woosh! I put the cig back in my right hand. If there had been a cop behind me I would have possibly ended up with a 500 dollar fine only because something slipped my mind.

Yea that fucking sucks dude......... too many laws although I do get pissed when someone throws a lit ciggy out on the freeway. I was really pissed when they said we couldn't smoke in bars anymore.

309 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:52:56pm

re: #307 Gus 802

Yeah. You know what's funny? I smoke. So here I am in California now and ashing your cigarette can get you a nice hefty 500 dollar fine. So, I set up a soda can in the cup holder and have been using it faithfully. This afternoon I'm coming back home from getting a burger and almost on autopilot nearly ashed my cigarette outside the car window. Woosh! I put the cig back in my right hand. If there had been a cop behind me I would have possibly ended up with a 500 dollar fine only because something slipped my mind.

What, the ashes aren't bio-degradable? They are a toxic hazard?

pleez

310 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:54:36pm

Or say you have a little too much to drink and wind up telling the flight attendant who's being obnoxious -- yes I heard there are those -- and wind up telling him "go feck yourself!" and you wind up having your flight diverted while being held down by 12 passenger "heroes" and being greeted at the diversion airport by the FBI, 2 SWAT teams, airport police, the TSA, and the local news media.

Welcome to fortress America!

//

311 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:55:42pm

re: #310 Gus 802

Or say you have a little too much to drink and wind up telling the flight attendant who's being obnoxious -- yes I heard there are those -- and wind up telling him "go feck yourself!" and you wind up having your flight diverted while being held down by 12 passenger "heroes" and being greeted at the diversion airport by the FBI, 2 SWAT teams, airport police, the TSA, and the local news media.

Welcome to fortress America!

//

So, what did you tell the local news media?

312 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:55:48pm

re: #309 ggt

What, the ashes aren't bio-degradable? They are a toxic hazard?

pleez

Fire hazard. I've been using the can. Today, I've been feeling really under the weather and almost forgot so I went on autopilot thinking I was back in Denver or something.

313 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:56:13pm

re: #309 ggt

What, the ashes aren't bio-degradable? They are a toxic hazard?

pleez

I think they are......... I just worry that my gas tank will explode.

314 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:56:30pm

re: #312 Gus 802

Fire hazard. I've been using the can. Today, I've been feeling really under the weather and almost forgot so I went on autopilot thinking I was back in Denver or something.

Ok, in a dry area, I can see "fire hazard".

barely, if I squint.

315 Gus  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:56:41pm

re: #311 ggt

So, what did you tell the local news media?

I made that up. :)

316 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:56:54pm

re: #313 Mr Pancakes

I think they are... I just worry that my gas tank will explode.

Well, you shouldn't ash in your gas tank.

317 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:57:21pm

re: #314 ggt

Ok, in a dry area, I can see "fire hazard".

barely, if I squint.

California is flammable. Highly flammable.

318 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:57:48pm

re: #317 SanFranciscoZionist

California is flammable. Highly flammable.

all the methane?

319 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:57:52pm

re: #310 Gus 802

Or say you have a little too much to drink and wind up telling the flight attendant who's being obnoxious -- yes I heard there are those -- and wind up telling him "go feck yourself!" and you wind up having your flight diverted while being held down by 12 passenger "heroes" and being greeted at the diversion airport by the FBI, 2 SWAT teams, airport police, the TSA, and the local news media.

Welcome to fortress America!

//

I will never say "feck" on a plane........ must be a code word..... I will avoid it.

320 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:58:35pm

Any word that starts with an "eff" sound and ends with an "ck" sound is verboten.

321 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:59:28pm

re: #301 Mr Pancakes

Sure they are deterrents... the perps are in prison... is that not a deterrent?

In my state, a 3 strikes state, the prisons are overcrowded, and are early-releasing nonviolent offenders, anyway, thanks to cons and their idiotic penny pinching.

The idea of 3 strikes might appeal to the emotions of some trigger-happy con sitting around in some out of state gated community, but it's no deterrent.

322 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 14, 2011 11:59:58pm

re: #316 ggt

Well, you shouldn't ash in your gas tank.

I talking about the flying embers from some careless smoker in front of me.

323 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 12:00:58am

re: #318 ggt

all the methane?

Mostly the grass.

The whole damn state dries out every year for months.

324 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 12:01:24am

re: #321 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

In my state, a 3 strikes state, the prisons are overcrowded, and are early-releasing nonviolent offenders, anyway, thanks to cons and their idiotic penny pinching.

The idea of 3 strikes might appeal to the emotions of some trigger-happy con sitting around in some out of state gated community, but it's no deterrent.

It makes sense, to me, to remove the serial rapists, & pedeaphiles from society. And others, who are, for whatever reason, not going to stop their behavior. But I'm not sure that is the majority of those adjudicated under the 3-strike laws.

325 Mr Pancakes  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 12:01:53am

re: #321 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

In my state, a 3 strikes state, the prisons are overcrowded, and are early-releasing nonviolent offenders, anyway, thanks to cons and their idiotic penny pinching.

The idea of 3 strikes might appeal to the emotions of some trigger-happy con sitting around in some out of state gated community, but it's no deterrent.

If the perp is in prison that perp is deterred. That was my only comment.

326 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 12:02:02am

re: #322 Mr Pancakes

I talking about the flying embers from some careless smoker in front of me.

I've never heard of that happening. I think your gas tank would have to be leaking fumes for that to happen. Gas tanks, IIRC, are designed NOT to do that.

327 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 12:03:03am

re: #319 Mr Pancakes

I will never say "feck" on a plane... must be a code word... I will avoid it.

Oh jeez. I said that once in a Safeway to some asshole that called me "stupid" after I had a hard time swiping my debit card. Total jerk. Anyway, I was the bad guy and the cashier freaked out and threatened to call security. Weird scene. Stupid Americans and their "fuck you" phobias. That wouldn't have happened in old NYC. I basically grew up in Jersey.

328 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 12:03:13am

re: #325 Mr Pancakes

If the perp is in prison that perp is deterred. That was my only comment.

it's a "post" not a "pre" deterrant.

language issues here.

329 Mr Pancakes  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 12:03:26am

re: #326 ggt

I've never heard of that happening. I think your gas tank would have to be leaking fumes for that to happen. Gas tanks, IIRC, are designed NOT to do that.

Agreed... but you still cringe and heap anger at the asshole.

330 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 12:04:24am

re: #329 Mr Pancakes

Agreed... but you still cringe and heap anger at the asshole.

No, My Dear Ol' Dad was an mechanical engineer in the automotive industry. I did learn a few things from him.

331 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 12:04:46am

I think in about 100 years almost every American will have some kind of prison record at the rate we're going.

332 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 12:05:11am

re: #327 Gus 802

Oh jeez. I said that once in a Safeway to some asshole that called me "stupid" after I had a hard time swiping my debit card. Total jerk. Anyway, I was the bad guy and the cashier freaked out and threatened to call security. Weird scene. Stupid Americans and their "fuck you" phobias. That wouldn't have happened in old NYC. I basically grew up in Jersey.

Some people are soooo sensitive. Like they think words can actually hurt them. Hurting one's feeling is not a crime, IIRC.

333 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 12:06:04am

re: #331 Gus 802

I think in about 100 years almost every American will have some kind of prison record at the rate we're going.

If the Michele Bachmans of the Country get their way . . . .holding hands in public will be illegal. Disobeying your husband will be a felony.

334 Mr Pancakes  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 12:06:07am

re: #328 ggt

it's a "post" not a "pre" deterrant.

language issues here.

I'm talking if the perp is in prison...... he is deterred.... that's all. Not pre, not post.

335 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 12:06:52am

re: #332 ggt

Some people are sooo sensitive. Like they think words can actually hurt them. Hurting one's feeling is not a crime, IIRC.

Fucking Denver. Anyway, Denver's not that bad overall. They do have a law against cursing in Colorado Springs.

336 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 12:09:13am

re: #333 ggt

If the Michele Bachmans of the Country get their way . . .holding hands in public will be illegal. Disobeying your husband will be a felony.

That's another thing. What's with people freaking out over PDA? Seriously? People freaking out over two people kissing each other in public and "making out". Sure, there are sexual limits I suppose but Americans have this weird freak out factor about that. Heck. They have to considering they call it PUBLIC DISPLAY OF AFFECTION!

OMG THERE WERE TWO PEOPLE IN THE PARK FRENCH KISSING EACH OTHER!!11ty CALL TEH POLICE!!11ty

337 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 12:10:56am

re: #334 Mr Pancakes

I'm talking if the perp is in prison... he is deterred... that's all. Not pre, not post.



Technically speaking
, because language is important, 3-strike laws are not a deterrence.

Like I said, it's all semantics.

Legal definitions vs. understood definitions.

LOL

338 Mr Pancakes  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 12:11:31am

re: #336 Gus 802

That's another thing. What's with people freaking out over PDA? Seriously? People freaking out over two people kissing each other in public and "making out". Sure, there are sexual limits I suppose but Americans have this weird freak out factor about that. Heck. They have to considering they call it PUBLIC DISPLAY OF AFFECTION!

That's cool, some of your text was purple.

339 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 12:11:49am

re: #335 Gus 802

Fucking Denver. Anyway, Denver's not that bad overall. They do have a law against cursing in Colorado Springs.

Colorado Springs is living in it's own quantum reality. I pity them if the Cat Overlord decides to crack-down.

340 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 12:14:03am

Remember in the movie Demolition Man..Sandra Bullock's character wants to have sex with Sylvester Stallone's charachter, but they have to use some neural interface because "actual" sex spreads germs and such . . .

After a few moments, Stallone's characters, was all "I can't do this" . . .

341 Mr Pancakes  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 12:14:24am

re: #337 ggt


Technically speaking
, because language is important, 3-strike laws are not a deterrence.

Like I said, it's all semantics.

Legal definitions vs. understood definitions.

LOL

I don't care about deterrence........ I'm not sure how to say it any differently than I have a couple of times now........ the perp is in prison...... the perp no longer a threat.

342 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 12:14:37am

re: #339 ggt

Colorado Springs is living in it's own quantum reality. I pity them if the Cat Overlord decides to crack-down.

Birthplace of Colorado's infamous Amendment 2. I'll never forget the day the people of Colorado voted yes on that. I had just moved there. I was so pissed off.

343 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 12:15:06am

Off to sleep,

Have a great morning all!

344 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 12:30:33am

Make America more like Mexico. Vote for Rick Perry in 2012.

//

345 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 12:33:07am

just imagine all the crazies Pam Geller has done the US government the favor of collecting the IPs of, when one of them finally goes Anders Breivik

"Thanks, Pam! We'll be taking your computers, your skin cream, and also your booze! Also, don't leave town." :) :) :)

346 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 12:37:33am

re: #338 Mr Pancakes

That's cool, some of your text was purple.

Gus turns stuff purple because he's a Warlock!!!

And good morning honcos.

347 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 12:47:12am

re: #346 Cannadian Club Akbar

And good morning honcos.

Kind of slow here right now. I know some key words and phrases that can get things really hot! D'oh!

348 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 12:55:31am

re: #347 Gus 802

Kind of slow here right now. I know some key words and phrases that can get things really hot! D'oh!

You rang?

349 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 12:57:13am

re: #348 iceweasel

You rang?

Yo! Hey. Was just looking at one of my pages! It was trolled by Sgt. Carter errrr Archie Bunker.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Wassup?

350 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:01:00am

Testing 1, 2, 3.

Warmonger!

Butthurt!

Chickenhawk!

//

351 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:02:14am

re: #349 Gus 802

Yo! Hey. Was just looking at one of my pages! It was trolled by Sgt. Carter errr Archie Bunker.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Wassup?

Hey you. :) Not much up here-- me, barely. I think I need more coffee. You?

352 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:02:42am

re: #350 Gus 802

I LOL'd.

Butthurt chickenhawk!1!

353 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:04:59am

re: #351 iceweasel

Hey you. :) Not much up here-- me, barely. I think I need more coffee. You?

Oh. Finishing up a pint of whisky I broke open yesterday. Barely touched it then. Set up for Monday morning. Just did two pages. Feeling kind of frisky now all of the sudden. As you know I've been a little sick for the past two weeks but suddenly I feel a little better. Think it's taking a while for the penicillin to work it's way out of my system.

354 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:06:51am

re: #352 iceweasel

I LOL'd.

Butthurt chickenhawk!1!

Uh oh! Look at what I've done! LOL

355 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:07:23am

Oops!

//

356 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:07:25am

re: #353 Gus 802

Oh. Finishing up a pint of whisky I broke open yesterday. Barely touched it then. Set up for Monday morning. Just did two pages. Feeling kind of frisky now all of the sudden. As you know I've been a little sick for the past two weeks but suddenly I feel a little better. Think it's taking a while for the penicillin to work it's way out of my system.

I'm glad you're feeling frisky! Hope the penicillin has helped!

357 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:08:36am

Do I go back to bed, or make more coffee? decisions, decisions...

358 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:09:48am

re: #357 iceweasel

Do I go back to bed, or make more coffee? decisions, decisions...

Coffee and one more hour? ;)

Anyway. Looks like I made a new "friend" huh? LOL This always happens. Maybe not always. But someone gets pissed off and then has to leave one or two final parting shots. What a dumb comment too.

359 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:14:08am

re: #358 Gus 802

Coffee and one more hour? ;)

Anyway. Looks like I made a new "friend" huh? LOL This always happens. Maybe not always. But someone gets pissed off and then has to leave one or two final parting shots. What a dumb comment too.

okay, coffee it is. And yeah, you've made a new friend for life, it seems.

360 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:15:12am

re: #345 WindUpBird

just imagine all the crazies Pam Geller has done the US government the favor of collecting the IPs of, when one of them finally goes Anders Breivik

"Thanks, Pam! We'll be taking your computers, your skin cream, and also your booze! Also, don't leave town." :) :) :)

Hey WUB! What's new? good to see you!

361 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:16:02am

re: #359 iceweasel

okay, coffee it is. And yeah, you've made a new friend for life, it seems.

No doubt. Maybe he'll also befriend "Gus_812"!

//

362 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:17:31am

baby tasmanian devils

363 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:18:04am

re: #361 Gus 802

No doubt. Maybe he'll also befriend "Gus_812"!

//

I was just going to ask how many of your stalkers he's following on twitter!

364 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:18:22am

re: #362 iceweasel

baby tasmanian devils

[Video]

Sometimes I'm like the "Honey Badger". I can't help myself. These guys think I'll roll over and die. LOL

365 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:18:34am

re: #363 iceweasel

I was just going to ask how many of your stalkers he's following on twitter!

Just him.

366 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:19:56am

re: #364 Gus 802

Sometimes I'm like the "Honey Badger". I can't help myself. These guys think I'll roll over and die. LOL

Honey Badger Gus 802 don't give a shit!

367 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:21:51am

Apparently sex and the city is coming back to the teevee. I guess 90's nostalgia is complete.

368 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:22:01am

re: #366 iceweasel

Honey Badger Gus 802 don't give a shit!

Pretty much. If someone wants to "engage" I'm willing to play along. But heck. I still tone things down. ;)

369 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:24:39am

re: #367 iceweasel

Apparently sex and the city is coming back to the teevee. I guess 90's nostalgia is complete.

That's like pornography for today's Republicans. Did you catch any of the Rick Perry craziness in the past week? Damn. Scary shit thinking that that asshole wingnut could become president. I'm a cynic too. Americans are still stupid enough to elect that Bible thumping asshat.

370 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:27:14am

re: #369 Gus 802

That's like pornography for today's Republicans. Did you catch any of the Rick Perry craziness in the past week? Damn. Scary shit thinking that that asshole wingnut could become president. I'm a cynic too. Americans are still stupid enough to elect that Bible thumping asshat.

I caught some of the highlights of his response rally buddies. That old time religion sure makes for some crazy bedfellows.
I still think Obama is a lock barring some major terrorism incident, or all out economic crash. Nice to see our friends in congress are speeding that last one along.

371 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:30:47am

re: #370 iceweasel

I caught some of the highlights of his response rally buddies. That old time religion sure makes for some crazy bedfellows.
I still think Obama is a lock barring some major terrorism incident, or all out economic crash. Nice to see our friends in congress are speeding that last one along.

Yep. The Republicans pretty much own the S&P downgrade. On two major points. A) They highly politicized raising the debt ceiling and B) they refused to consider applying revenue changes such as allowing the Bush tax cuts for the nice happy pretty rich people expire.

Don't want to make it seem like I hate rich people. //

372 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:35:35am

re: #371 Gus 802

Yep. The Republicans pretty much own the S&P downgrade. On two major points. A) They highly politicized raising the debt ceiling and B) they refused to consider applying revenue changes such as allowing the Bush tax cuts for the nice happy pretty rich people expire.

Don't want to make it seem like I hate rich people. //

Our Corporate Overlords are Nothing But Beneficient!

373 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:35:44am

re: #370 iceweasel

I caught some of the highlights of his response rally buddies. That old time religion sure makes for some crazy bedfellows.
I still think Obama is a lock barring some major terrorism incident, or all out economic crash. Nice to see our friends in congress are speeding that last one along.

Something I didn't know though. Perry started out as a Democrat. He was also on Gore's Texas team in 1988. So much for that huh? Anyway, I didn't like Gore when he was VP. I thought he wasn't really a liberal back when I was a dyed in the wool liberal Democrat. Much like Fred Phelps who supported Gore. So did Rick Perry apparently.

That's good information to have though. It can be used plant doubt with the wingnut base. A lot of them apparently think that Perry is a closet liberal. Mostly the Freeper crowd. I kid you not. So, with that information you can create a lot of infighting which helps Obama. Perry also used stimulus money to balance the state budget.

374 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:38:03am

re: #372 iceweasel

In the USA the rich are like the secular Cardinals of American society. If you say anything bad about them one of the middle class underlings will certainly have to call you out on it and come to their defense. But that's typical of people that are willing to die for anything as long as it's packaged correctly.

375 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:39:01am

re: #374 Gus 802

In the USA the rich are like the secular Cardinals of American society. If you say anything bad about them one of the middle class underlings will certainly have to call you out on it and come to their defense. But that's typical of people that are willing to die for anything as long as it's packaged correctly.

Matt Taibbi had a good piece on this a while ago-- hang on and I'll see if I can dig it up.

376 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:40:52am
But actual rich people can’t ever be the target. It’s a classic peasant mentality: going into fits of groveling and bowing whenever the master’s carriage rides by, then fuming against the Turks in Crimea or the Jews in the Pale or whoever after spending fifteen hard hours in the fields. You know you’re a peasant when you worship the very people who are right now, this minute, conning you and taking your shit. Whatever the master does, you’re on board. When you get frisky, he sticks a big cross in the middle of your village, and you spend the rest of your life praying to it with big googly eyes. Or he puts out newspapers full of innuendo about this or that faraway group and you immediately salute and rush off to join the hate squad. A good peasant is loyal, simpleminded, and full of misdirected anger. And that’s what we’ve got now, a lot of misdirected anger searching around for a non-target to mis-punish… can’t be mad at AIG, can’t be mad at Citi or Goldman Sachs. The real villains have to be the anti-AIG protesters! After all, those people earned those bonuses! If ever there was a textbook case of peasant thinking, it’s struggling middle-class Americans burned up in defense of taxpayer-funded bonuses to millionaires. It’s really weird stuff. And bound to get weirder, I imagine, as this crisis gets worse and more complicated.



The peasant mentality lives on in America

377 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:41:07am

re: #375 iceweasel

Matt Taibbi had a good piece on this a while ago-- hang on and I'll see if I can dig it up.

OK. It's a Protestant idea if I'm not mistaken. At least the American Protestant version. So it's no surprise that the Republican Party is overwhelmingly Protestant. And no surprise that was have "Free Market Jesus."

378 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:41:51am
379 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:42:53am

re: #378 Gus 802

Excellent!

I love this:

You know you’re a peasant when you worship the very people who are right now, this minute, conning you and taking your shit.

380 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:46:58am

re: #379 iceweasel

I love this:

It's really no surprise. Their "benevolent" God is always coming to take their shit even if he doesn't exist and it is done so through the proxy of religion. So the rich act as the defacto God. The secular master or overlord since there really isn't a supernatural being that controls them. Who and what controls them are the oligarchs and the wealthy. The worship of the wealthy is just an extension of religiousness. Of a higher being only this case a fellow human being. People are also drawn to the rich because they believe that they can get something from them. It's possibly an evolutionary characteristic of man. Almost a behavioral impulse.

381 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:47:29am

re: #377 Gus 802

OK. It's a Protestant idea if I'm not mistaken. At least the American Protestant version. So it's no surprise that the Republican Party is overwhelmingly Protestant. And no surprise that was have "Free Market Jesus."

Yes. They believe that the poor are being punished by god or have done something to deserve or merit poverty. Likewise that the rich are beloved by god, and that's why they're rich.

I saw we had some of that going on here the other day where someone was insisting that two people could live just fine on 8 dollars an hour. /

382 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:47:55am

re: #373 Gus 802

Something I didn't know though. Perry started out as a Democrat. He was also on Gore's Texas team in 1988. So much for that huh? Anyway, I didn't like Gore when he was VP. I thought he wasn't really a liberal back when I was a dyed in the wool liberal Democrat. Much like Fred Phelps who supported Gore. So did Rick Perry apparently.

That's good information to have though. It can be used plant doubt with the wingnut base. A lot of them apparently think that Perry is a closet liberal. Mostly the Freeper crowd. I kid you not. So, with that information you can create a lot of infighting which helps Obama. Perry also used stimulus money to balance the state budget.

Here ya go...
[Link: www.politifact.com...]

383 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:49:09am

re: #381 iceweasel

Yes. They believe that the poor are being punished by god or have done something to deserve or merit poverty. Likewise that the rich are beloved by god, and that's why they're rich.

I saw we had some of that going on here the other day where someone was insisting that two people could live just fine on 8 dollars an hour. /

Oh yeah. I just rolled my eyes on that one. The new standard aye? Accept the minimum wage and be happy for it! If you can't afford to live in California on the minimum wage then move to Kansas! But it can be done. And no air conditioning for you!

384 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:50:37am

re: #382 Cannadian Club Akbar

Here ya go...
[Link: www.politifact.com...]

Thanks. There ya' go. "Mostly true."

Obviously PolitiFact is run by GEORGE SOROS! :)

385 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:51:32am

re: #384 Gus 802

Thanks. There ya' go. "Mostly true."

Obviously PolitiFact is run by GEORGE SOROS! :)

Heh. Someone no longer here used to freak out when I posted politifact. Good times.

386 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:53:42am

re: #385 iceweasel

Heh. Someone no longer here used to freak out when I posted politifact. Good times.

Politifact is good when it makes your point.
Bad when it doesn't.
Poynter does lean a bit more liberal, but they back shit up.

387 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:54:47am

re: #385 iceweasel

Heh. Someone no longer here used to freak out when I posted politifact. Good times.

Yeah. I remember when I started posting links to the New York Times and CNN.

CNN IS TEH COMMUNIST NEW NETWORK!!11ty

Right. CNN who put Glenn Beck on the map and has also had Pamela Geller and Debbie Schlussel as guests. Yep. Real left wingers there. ANd the NY Times was pretty gung ho about going to war in Iraq with some correspondents.

388 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:55:08am

re: #386 Cannadian Club Akbar

Politifact is good when it makes your point.
Bad when it doesn't.

That's actually what I like about it.

389 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:56:18am

re: #387 Gus 802

Yeah. I remember when I started posting links to the New York Times and CNN.

Right. CNN who put Glenn Beck on the map and has also had Pamela Geller and Debbie Schlussel as guests. Yep. Real left wingers there. ANd the NY Times was pretty gung ho about going to war in Iraq with some correspondents.

Epistemic closure. If there is information that exists outside of the faux news bubble some people just want to put their hands over their ears. Or eyes, as the case might be.

390 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 1:56:29am

re: #386 Cannadian Club Akbar

Politifact is good when it makes your point.
Bad when it doesn't.
Poynter does lean a bit more liberal, but they back shit up.

I'm always open to hard facts. Even if it contradicts my ideas. I've caught some heat for that in here many times.

391 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:00:31am

re: #389 iceweasel

Epistemic closure. If there is information that exists outside of the faux news bubble some people just want to put their hands over their ears. Or eyes, as the case might be.

It was pretty silly. CNN was never a left wing outfit even back then. They all had their knickers in a twist about a couple of stories they ran. One was with an embedded reporter with the either AQ or the Taliban. I forgot which. But that's what journalism is about in modern times. Heck. I'm sure the DOD ended up studying it.

392 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:04:05am

So here we are. Obama still has GITMO open. We still have the Bush tax cuts. I like them. Obama hasn't stopped shale oil development in Texas. Most all oil recovery is still proceeding domestically. He's gung-ho about the Afghanistan War. He goes to church. His chief of staff is a JP Morgan Chase executive. There hasn't been one single tax hike. Corporate taxes are unchanged. We also set a record military budget under Obama. Yet the right wing is painting him as the anti-christ? WTF.

393 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:04:38am

Bachmann: I ‘Probably Would’ Reinstate DADT Because It ‘Has Worked Very Well’

Exactly how Bachmann defines “worked” remains unclear. Since its establishment in 1993, the DADT policy has resulted in the direct ouster of nearly 14,000 military service members. According to a 2007 study by the Williams Institute, the military’s retainment rates have also been harmed by the policy, with approximately 4,000 gay, lesbian and bisexual personnel leaving the military per year, who “would have been retained if they could have been more open about their sexual orientation.” Finally, at least 58 Arabic linguists have been expunged from the military due to DADT policy — a serious loss in an era in which Middle Eastern terrorism is a significant international threat.

And that is just the practical damage DADT has done to America’s military. All this doesn’t even begin to tally up the moral cost of relegating our fellow citizens to second-class status by forbidding them — based on nothing more than their sexual orientation — from serving their country.

394 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:06:04am

re: #392 Gus 802

So here we are. Obama still has GITMO open. We still have the Bush tax cuts. I like them. Obama hasn't stopped shale oil development in Texas. Most all oil recovery is still proceeding domestically. He's gung-ho about the Afghanistan War. He goes to church. His chief of staff is a JP Morgan Chase executive. There hasn't been one single tax hike. Corporate taxes are unchanged. We also set a record military budget under Obama. Yet the right wing is painting him as the anti-christ? WTF.

He's black and he's a democrat. Nuff said.

395 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:06:32am

re: #393 iceweasel

Bachmann: I ‘Probably Would’ Reinstate DADT Because It ‘Has Worked Very Well’

Fuck her. Joining the military isn't about being gay. Gay people don't join the Army, Marines, or whatever, to be gay. Most of the gay folks that join the services are rather conservative by heightened mainstream liberal standards.

396 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:07:25am

re: #395 Gus 802

Fuck her. Joining the military isn't about being gay. Gay people don't join the Army, Marines, or whatever, to be gay. Most of the gay folks that join the services are rather conservative by heightened mainstream liberal standards.

Why does Michelle Bachmann hate our gay troops?

397 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:08:17am

re: #394 iceweasel

He's black and he's a democrat. Nuff said.

That's about it. It's like trying to rationalize with people like Pamela Geller. It's like trying to make friends with your psycho neighbor in West Islip, Long Island. Been there, done that. It doesn't work.

398 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:11:35am

re: #396 iceweasel

Why does Michelle Bachmann hate our gay troops?

Probably watched too many movies. Maybe she thinks they'll all break out in song like "The Village People." Or maybe something from "Rocky Horror Picture Show." You know. They're projecting a lot. Stuff that never happened. Sexuality is frowned upon all across the board in the services. Everyone should know that by now. When you're on leave that's a different story. But while you're on duty everyone, including straights, has to keep their pant tents down.

399 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:11:56am

re: #397 Gus 802

That's about it. It's like trying to rationalize with people like Pamela Geller. It's like trying to make friends with your psycho neighbor in West Islip, Long Island. Been there, done that. It doesn't work.

Tell me more about your psycho ex neighbour! Neighbour horror stories are always good.
I was living in a co-op in a republican neighbourhood when Clinton was elected. We got a lot of nasty unsigned mail about our clinton-gore sign. Definitely from our next door neighbour.

400 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:13:25am

re: #398 Gus 802

Probably watched too many movies. Maybe she thinks they'll all break out in song like "The Village People." Or maybe something from "Rocky Horror Picture Show." You know. They're projecting a lot. Stuff that never happened. Sexuality is frowned upon all across the board in the services. Everyone should know that by now. When you're on leave that's a different story. But while you're on duty everyone, including straights, has to keep their pant tents down.

401 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:13:57am

re: #399 iceweasel

Tell me more about your psycho ex neighbour! Neighbour horror stories are always good.
I was living in a co-op in a republican neighbourhood when Clinton was elected. We got a lot of nasty unsigned mail about our clinton-gore sign. Definitely from our next door neighbour.

That? Oh. They egged our house because they thought we were Italian. Chanted some weird shit. Kid stuff but racist kid stuff. Then we moved to High Falls and it was because we were Spanish. Got the double whammy. Typical Northeast racism circa 1969ish.

402 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:16:16am

re: #360 iceweasel

Hey WUB! What's new? good to see you!

very little is new, same old stuff around here in the 503, drinking and smoking and driving too fast ^^

403 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:17:33am

re: #402 WindUpBird

very little is new, same old stuff around here in the 503, drinking and smoking and driving too fast ^^

Sounds nice. :) Sometimes I miss having a car!

404 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:17:47am

Thing used to be really weird in the Northeast. Still is. People talk about the South but... heh. Some real haters up there. Still happens too. Long Island still sucks. I won't ever forget.

405 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:18:56am

re: #404 Gus 802

Thing used to be really weird in the Northeast. Still is. People talk about the South but... heh. Some real haters up there. Still happens too. Long Island still sucks. I won't ever forget.

Not just Long Island either. It's always people from the outer boroughs and sometimes jersey who drive into the village to gay bash on the weekends.

406 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:19:23am

re: #370 iceweasel

I caught some of the highlights of his response rally buddies. That old time religion sure makes for some crazy bedfellows.
I still think Obama is a lock barring some major terrorism incident, or all out economic crash. Nice to see our friends in congress are speeding that last one along.

Perry cannot win, Bachmann cannot win, and Romney cannot win, so yep, Obama is a lock :D

unless Romney magically converts to Racist Southern Bapist ell oh ell, in which case he still won't win, but he might make it close.

407 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:19:29am

re: #404 Gus 802

Thing used to be really weird in the Northeast. Still is. People talk about the South but... heh. Some real haters up there. Still happens too. Long Island still sucks. I won't ever forget.

Lots of tiny pockets that are racist neighbourhood enclaves. howard beach, etc.

408 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:20:35am

re: #393 iceweasel

much the way gay teen suicides have worked well for Bachmann

409 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:22:36am

re: #407 iceweasel

Lots of tiny pockets that are racist neighbourhood enclaves. howard beach, etc.

Big time. I think David Duke even made several appearances in Ocean County when I was into my teens. Ocean County wasn't exactly a hot bed of the KKK but they were still there. Never saw them myself. But they used to always emphasize SOUTH Jersey. I was a closeted atheist amongst a few other things. Cops would stop you for having long hair...

410 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:24:54am

re: #408 WindUpBird

much the way gay teen suicides have worked well for Bachmann

Remember that story about her freaking out because she felt trapped by lesbians in a women's bathroom? Some serious issues there. Then there's her husband....

411 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:25:45am

re: #406 WindUpBird

Perry cannot win, Bachmann cannot win, and Romney cannot win, so yep, Obama is a lock :D

unless Romney magically converts to Racist Southern Bapist ell oh ell, in which case he still won't win, but he might make it close.

I hope you're right but. I think Perry can win. Romney, while still a douche, would be better. But don't underestimate a) the bipolar nature of American politics, and b) the stupidity of the American voter.

412 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:26:31am

re: #411 Gus 802

I hope you're right but. I think Perry can win. Romney, while still a douche, would be better. But don't underestimate a) the bipolar nature of American politics, and b) the stupidity of the American voter.

You're scaring me. God, perry would be such a DISASTER. ugh

413 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:27:32am

re: #412 iceweasel

You're scaring me. God, perry would be such a DISASTER. ugh

He would. Like I said earlier. We'd be more like Mexico. But it can still happen. Bush was president for 8 years remember.

414 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:28:11am

We invaded Iraq on false pretenses. We're still in Afghanistan. We still think Pakistan is our allies. We still think we've gotten rid of racism...

415 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:29:19am

We invaded Iraq and most Americans still couldn't point to Iraq on the globe. Trust me. Perry can win. That's how stupid Americans are.

416 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:29:29am

While Cutting Health Care For The Poor, Gov. Scott Pays Less Than $400 A Year For Taxpayer-Subsized Health Insurance

After relentlessly campaigning to abolish health care reform, Florida Gov. Rick Scott (R) has taken every opportunity to slash health care coverage for the poor, elderly, and disabled. Since taking office in January, Scott has enacted a landmark Medicaid privatization scheme, rejected millions in federal health aid for seniors, children, and the disabled, and even turned down $52 million in federal funding to fight child abuse.

Scott is a former private health industry executive who made his fortune downsizing hospitals for profit. He clearly has no problem making low-income Floridians pay more for basic health services. Yet when it comes to his own health insurance, Scott is only too happy to take advantage of a plan that lets him pay less than $400 a year — courtesy of taxpayers

FrEe MaRKeT JeSuS!

417 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:29:57am

Hmm. That came out twice. Weird.

418 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:30:38am

re: #417 Gus 802

Hmm. That came out twice. Weird.

So nice I dinged it twice! :)

419 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:31:22am

re: #416 iceweasel

While Cutting Health Care For The Poor, Gov. Scott Pays Less Than $400 A Year For Taxpayer-Subsized Health Insurance

FrEe MaRKeT JeSuS!

The street word for that is ASSHOLE. God I hate politicians.

420 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:32:02am

Like Romney and Romneycare's individual mandate.

421 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:34:00am

re: #419 Gus 802

The street word for that is ASSHOLE. God I hate politicians.

I think Charlie Crist is thinking about running for Gubner again in 2014, this time as a Democrat.

422 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:35:07am

Santorum’s Message To People Who Can’t Afford Health Care Costs: Lower Your Cell Phone Bill

During a meeting with the editorial board of the Des Moines Register on Friday, Rick Santorum said that people who can’t afford health care should stop whining about the high costs of medical treatments and medications and spend less on non essentials. Answering a question about the uninsured, Santorum explained that health care, like a car, is a luxury resource that is rationed by society and recalled the story of a woman who said she was spending $200 a month on life-saving prescriptions. Santorum told her to stop complaining and instead lower her cable and cell phone bills:

SANTORUM:

All the other necessities of life, we allow people to have varying degrees of creature comforts, if you will. Why? Because we are people who ration our resources based upon what’s important to us and health care has to be one of those things, which is in the mix of things we make decisions about as to what type of, what kind of money we want to allocate to that.

I had a woman the other day who came up and complained to me that she has to pay $200 a month for her prescriptions…I said, in other words, this $200 a month keeps you alive, she goes yes. I said, and you’re complaining that you’re paying $200 a month and it keeps you alive? What’s your cable bill? I mean, what’s your cell phone bill? Because she had a cell phone. And how can you say that you complain that you have $200 to keep you alive and that’s a problem? No, that’s a blessing!


423 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:35:19am

re: #421 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think Charlie Crist is thinking about running for Gubner again in 2014, this time as a Democrat.

Seriously?

424 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:36:30am

re: #422 iceweasel

Santorum’s Message To People Who Can’t Afford Health Care Costs: Lower Your Cell Phone Bill

Santorum needs to crawl back under his rock. Cripes what a [deleted].

425 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:37:41am

re: #420 Gus 802

Like Romney and Romneycare's individual mandate.

Speaking of which:
Tenther Of Convenience: Romney’s ‘Federalism’ Argument Applies To Obamacare, But Not Marriage Equality

426 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:40:27am

re: #425 iceweasel

Speaking of which:
Tenther Of Convenience: Romney’s ‘Federalism’ Argument Applies To Obamacare, But Not Marriage Equality

Romney's an ass. He lost in 2008 and will lose again. I already noted how his "Olympics" claim was largely accomplished by a) raising Utah state taxes and b) Federal tax subsidies. He's another one that should go back home. Sorry to all of my GOP friends but all of the GOP candidates are class 1 hypocrites.

427 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:42:03am

re: #426 Gus 802

Romney's an ass. He lost in 2008 and will lose again. I already noted how his "Olympics" claim was largely accomplished by a) raising Utah state taxes and b) Federal tax subsidies. He's another one that should go back home. Sorry to all of my GOP friends but all of the GOP candidates are class 1 hypocrites.

It's going to be a wacky campaign season whatever happens. Hope the secret service doubles Obama's protection. After two years of hysterical rhetoric about armageddon and our Kenyan Antichrist, who knows what could happen.

428 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:42:10am

re: #423 Gus 802

Seriously?

Just rumors so far, but there is also a rumor Palin might run for President. Crist watches the polls and is currently a lawyer at a personal injury firm. And remember, he dropped the R tag when he knew he couldn't beat Rubio in the primaries for the Senate. Makes sense to slap on a D for primaries in the future, since running as an indy wouldn't get him as much money for a campaign.

429 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:43:54am

re: #427 iceweasel

It's going to be a wacky campaign season whatever happens. Hope the secret service doubles Obama's protection. After two years of hysterical rhetoric about armageddon and our Kenyan Antichrist, who knows what could happen.

Image: pict41.jpg

A U.S. Secret Service agent rides in a vehicle in the motorcade carrying U.S. President Barack Obama at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware, August 9, 2011. Obama flew to a Delaware air force base on Tuesday to honor the return of the remains of 30 U.S. troops killed when Taliban insurgents shot down their helicopter in Afghanistan. Reuters

430 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:47:18am

Wingnuts are fucking nuts. They should just bite the bullet and join the American Nazi Party. Otherwise they need to fuck off and die.

Tough shit Freepers! You suck! America hates you. That includes you Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer.

Image: pict56.jpg

431 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:47:54am

re: #429 Gus 802

Dude with an automatic weapon? BFD. A Dodge Neon was leading the pack!!!!
/

432 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:51:20am

re: #431 Cannadian Club Akbar

Dude with an automatic weapon? BFD. A Dodge Neon was leading the pack!!!
/

Guy in the back of the last vehicle

"HEY ,, when I called 'SHOTGUN', I didn't mean THIS!!"

433 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:51:43am

re: #431 Cannadian Club Akbar

Dude with an automatic weapon? BFD. A Dodge Neon was leading the pack!!!
/

Looks like a Ford. But yeah.

"A real conservative wouldn't be led by a sub compact!"

[Lee Greenwood music insert.]

434 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:51:51am

This is why I own Velvet Elvis and Dogs Playing Poker.
/
[Link: www.latimes.com...]

435 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:53:21am

re: #434 Cannadian Club Akbar

This is why I own Velvet Elvis and Dogs Playing Poker.
/
[Link: www.latimes.com...]

btw ,, the bulldog is cheating!

436 researchok  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:01:35am

Morning, all

437 researchok  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:01:57am

Last days of crazy...

438 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:02:10am

Guess I was wrong. I always thought that the president deserved respect by the office that it afforded. That it was the will of the American people that brought him to that place. That while we might disagree with him, a certain amount of civility to the president was still granted. I thought that was true from Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Obama. I guess I was wrong. I thought the incivility expressed towards Bush was bad. But ever since Obama took the oath of office I have never seen such incivility towards a president in all of my life. This, is unprecedented. I am ashamed of my fellow Americans. I have never seen such irrational hatred and paranoia in all of my life with respect to the office.

439 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:05:35am

re: #438 Gus 802

The internet maginfies everything too. I don't think Bush had to deal with anything like this. Some of it is racism, but not all. The congresscritters who refuse to compromise, and that poll of debaters the other night showed it too-- for the GOP, anything less than 100% win is a loss. It's the logical outcome of a world view that holds that your opponents are traitors and unamerican.

440 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:12:44am

re: #438 Gus 802

I always thought that the president deserved respect by the office that it afforded

I think it all started to go downhill during the Watergate scandal. It's the 1st time many Americans witnessed someone disgracing that office

Yes, Kennedy had his bevy of women, but it was all nudge nudge/ wink wink as far as the press was concerned, and seeing that the press didn't report it the public didn't know it

Post Nixon, each side dug in deeper and deeper trying to "gotchya" the "other" guy, and as IceWeasal stated with the advent of the internet now EVERYONE is an "investigative reporter" with a loudspeaker

441 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:14:48am

A 94-year-old woman who woke up to discover that a breakaway blimp from a nearby airport had landed in her backyard. The 128-foot-long blimp broke free of its moorings at a Columbus airport during strong winds early yesterday, drifted to the sky, headed eastward, and landed in Lillian Bernhagen’s backyard in Worthington

I wonder if she gets to keep the blimp, possession being 9/10ths and all!
[Link: www.boston.com...]

442 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:15:53am

re: #439 iceweasel

The internet maginfies everything too. I don't think Bush had to deal with anything like this. Some of it is racism, but not all. The congresscritters who refuse to compromise, and that poll of debaters the other night showed it too-- for the GOP, anything less than 100% win is a loss. It's the logical outcome of a world view that holds that your opponents are traitors and unamerican.

Winner takes all. Even if it means destroying our traditions while claiming to be the champion of said traditions. While glaringly obvious for all to see. Every time they speak I can almost see an American flag burning. It's a new bold world of theirs wrapped in the American flag while destroying it at the same time. When they say they hate Obama, a little part of us dies. To hate our president is to hate our nations; to hate ourselves. When people hate Obama they're not hating a man. They're hating a nation, and themselves.

443 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:16:25am

re: #440 sattv4u2


I always thought that the president deserved respect by the office that it afforded

I think it all started to go downhill during the Watergate scandal. It's the 1st time many Americans witnessed someone disgracing that office

Yes, Kennedy had his bevy of women, but it was all nudge nudge/ wink wink as far as the press was concerned, and seeing that the press didn't report it the public didn't know it

Post Nixon, each side dug in deeper and deeper trying to "gotchya" the "other" guy, and as IceWeasal stated with the advent of the internet now EVERYONE is an "investigative reporter" with a loudspeaker

Yes, I think some of it is the internet-- look at the morons who populate yahoo news or fox news. Those angry people once only ranted to their families during awkward dinners. Now they have the world to spew hate at.

444 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:16:31am

re: #441 sattv4u2

A 94-year-old woman who woke up to discover that a breakaway blimp from a nearby airport had landed in her backyard. The 128-foot-long blimp broke free of its moorings at a Columbus airport during strong winds early yesterday, drifted to the sky, headed eastward, and landed in Lillian Bernhagen’s backyard in Worthington

I wonder if she gets to keep the blimp, possession being 9/10ths and all!
[Link: www.boston.com...]

My broke ass would have put that fucker on Craig's List 2 minutes after it landed.

445 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:17:13am

re: #442 Gus 802

Winner takes all. Even if it means destroying our traditions while claiming to be the champion of said traditions. While glaringly obvious for all to see. Every time they speak I can almost see an American flag burning. It's a new bold world of theirs wrapped in the American flag while destroying it at the same time. When they say they hate Obama, a little part of us dies. To hate our president is to hate our nations; to hate ourselves. When people hate Obama they're not hating a man. They're hating a nation, and themselves.

Great comment, comrade!

seriously, great comment.

446 The Left  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:18:46am

ok, time for me to go out and do the messages. Have a great day everybody! BBL

447 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:19:45am

I think I love Georgie more and more every day!!
[Link: www.businessinsider.com...]

448 Gus  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:20:41am

re: #446 iceweasel

ok, time for me to go out and do the messages. Have a great day everybody! BBL

Good night Ice.

449 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:21:18am

re: #447 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think I love Georgie more and more every day!!
[Link: www.businessinsider.com...]



“He always had one table for the men, one for the women, and one for the kids,”

I didn't know Soros was a Taliban!

450 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:23:36am

re: #449 sattv4u2


“He always had one table for the men, one for the women, and one for the kids,”

I didn't know Soros was a Taliban!

There is a Jesus Taliban comment in there. See "Holygenes" rambling assed comment.

451 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:24:04am

re: #450 Cannadian Club Akbar

There is a Jesus Taliban comment in there. See "Holygenes" rambling assed comment.

Must I?

I just ate!

452 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:26:30am

re: #451 sattv4u2

Must I?

I just ate!

Na. 11 downdings and zero updings is all you need to know.

453 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:28:44am

re: #452 Cannadian Club Akbar

Na. 11 downdings and zero updings is all you need to know.

Most likely got the downdings for two reasons

1) ,, people seeing the length of the comment and saying "Frak that,,,I'm not reading all that!"

2) ,,,people that DID read it and want their 43 minutes back!

454 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:32:46am

re: #453 sattv4u2

I am guilty of not reading really long comments. Now, what was your second point?
/

455 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:35:08am

On this day

In 1969, the Woodstock Music and Art Fair opened in upstate New York

456 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:36:10am

re: #455 sattv4u2

On this day

In 1969, the Woodstock Music and Art Fair opened in upstate New York

I think Discovery had a special on that last night. One of those channels.

457 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:38:39am

re: #456 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think Discovery had a special on that last night. One of those channels.

Buncha hippie freak free lovin stoners!!

oh ,, wait , some of those were (slightly older) friends of mine,, Nevahmind

458 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:39:07am

re: #455 sattv4u2

On this day

In 1969, the Woodstock Music and Art Fair opened in upstate New York

I used to go jogging with a girl who was at Woodstock. As an 11-month-old baby. Met her working at the Athlitics Department at norther Arizona University.

She tried being rebellious against her mom by getting into sports and athletics, but deep down inside, she wanted to be a groupie.

She has since married a musician and is living in Durango, Colorado...

459 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:42:38am

I'm glad I didn't grow up in the 60's. I'd have either ended up driving a BMW or being a Manson follower.

460 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:43:03am

I wonder how much this study cost?

[Link: www.boston.com...]

Why do we get so annoyed?

I could have told them in one word


OTHER PEOPLE!
/

461 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:44:32am

re: #459 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm glad I didn't grow up in the 60's. I'd have either ended up driving a BMW or being a Manson follower.

I did, and I'm neither!

462 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:45:00am

re: #459 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm glad I didn't grow up in the 60's. I'd have either ended up driving a BMW or being a Manson follower.

Or following Manson in a BMW.

463 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:48:18am

re: #462 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Or following Manson in a BMW.

There is a guy down the road with a VW Bus. The front windows open from the top. I plan on stealing it.

464 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:50:05am

re: #463 Cannadian Club Akbar

There is a guy down the road with a VW Bus. The front windows open from the top. I plan on stealing it.

huh?

All my cars,, ALL the windows "open from the top"

465 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:50:58am

re: #464 sattv4u2

huh?

All my cars,, ALL the windows "open from the top"

Sorry. The fold open from the top. About 3 inches. It's old.

466 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:53:03am

My radio just had a guy on saying Rick Perry (if he gets the nomination) should pick Marco Rubio as VP, therefore possibly winning Texas and Florida in a general election. Good plan, strategy wise.

468 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:54:58am

re: #466 Cannadian Club Akbar

My radio just had a guy on saying Rick Perry (if he gets the nomination) should pick Marco Rubio as VP, therefore possibly winning Texas and Florida in a general election. Good plan, strategy wise.

Speculation also says if Romney takes it he should pick Cain to blunt any perceived Mormon/ mainstream Christian schism

469 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:55:33am

re: #467 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Speaking of hippies...

Ugh... Hippies.

I'd rather hang out with those hippies. These are just downers.

470 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:55:46am

re: #466 Cannadian Club Akbar

My radio just had a guy on saying Rick Perry (if he gets the nomination) should pick Marco Rubio as VP, therefore possibly winning Texas and Florida in a general election. Good plan, strategy wise.

he will need someone to the middle of him to appeal to moderates and not scare too many people into voting against him.

471 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:56:00am

re: #469 Cannadian Club Akbar

Snicker.

472 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:56:07am

re: #467 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Speaking of hippies...

Ugh... Hippies.

Somewhere Arthur Murray weeps !

473 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:57:26am

re: #470 ralphieboy

he will need someone to the middle of him to appeal to moderates and not scare too many people into voting against him.

Texas and Florida have a shitload of electoral votes. Add in the South East and some of the mid west.

474 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:58:31am

On This Day

In 1914, the Panama Canal opened to traffic.

Photos and/ or videos don't convey the sheer magnificence it

475 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 3:59:32am

re: #474 sattv4u2

On This Day

In 1914, the Panama Canal opened to traffic.

Photos and/ or videos don't convey the sheer magnificence OF it

476 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:00:02am

re: #472 sattv4u2

but they're joyful.
(best attempt at Ben Stein voice)

477 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:01:26am

re: #476 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

but they're joyful annoying.
(best attempt at Ben Stein voice)

GET OFF MY LAWN

478 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:04:51am

Sometimes the jokes just write themselves

Sara Lee, Kraft escalate wiener war

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

479 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:07:56am

re: #478 sattv4u2

Sometimes the jokes just write themselves

Sara Lee, Kraft escalate wiener war

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

If I'm the judge, I cook 5 hot dogs from each side the same. Give them to people on the street to compare. Call one the winner. Go golfing.

480 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:10:27am

And it doesn't matter, Sara Lee or Kraft. Hebrew National are the best. GO CONAGRA!!!!

481 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:11:07am

re: #479 Cannadian Club Akbar

If I'm the judge, I cook 5 hot dogs from each side the same. Give them to people on the street to compare. Call one the winner. Go golfing.

What a colossal waste of time and court resources. Let them (or anyone else) claim they are "the best". Who cares? Like you said, if you gave those 5 "man on the street" people a dog from each company, 2 would say Oscar Meyer, 2 would say BallPark, and the other would say "well, they're good, but I prefer Hebrew National"

482 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:12:38am

And if Fat Bastard Veggie was asked, he'd ask for a Veggie Dog!

483 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:13:28am

re: #482 sattv4u2

And if Fat Bastard Veggie was asked, he'd ask for a Veggie Dog!

And this is yet another reason no one talks to him.
/

484 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:14:42am

re: #481 sattv4u2

German law prohibits "comparative advertising", i.e., you cannot claim you are better than anyone else.

Audi even got slapped with a lawsuit over an ad potraying a golfer with the caption "Audi: better than golf". (The VW Rabbit is known in Germany as the VW Golf).

VW sued and won.

Humorless bastards.

485 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:17:46am

re: #484 ralphieboy

German law prohibits "comparative advertising", i.e., you cannot claim you are better than anyone else.

Audi even got slapped with a lawsuit over an ad potraying a golfer with the caption "Audi: better than golf". (The VW Rabbit is known in Germany as the VW Golf).

VW sued and won.

Humorless bastards.

Absolutely

I mean, unless "your" ad says something about "your" competitors product that is patently false (("Oscar Meyer Hot Dogs contain broken glass chips") get a grip!

486 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:18:18am

re: #484 ralphieboy

Greatest car commercial EVER!!!

487 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:20:02am

I ate veggie dogs with veggie chili all summer long. They are not as tasty as I remember regular hot dogs (the only meat food I miss, well; and fried bologna). But add enough mustard, onions, slaw, relish, they taste almost the same.

488 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:20:50am

re: #485 sattv4u2

Oscar Meyer hot-dogs contain broken glass chips?

489 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:21:51am

re: #486 Cannadian Club Akbar

Freakin' awesome.

490 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:22:03am

re: #488 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oscar Meyer hot-dogs contain broken glass chips?

It's okay

BallPark franks have are 20 percent arsenic!

491 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:22:17am

re: #490 sattv4u2

It's okay

BallPark franks have are 20 percent arsenic!

492 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:24:07am

re: #485 sattv4u2


A lot of German consumer protection laws stem from the start of the 20th century and are directed at consumers who were often undereducated and had limited mobility and choices.

At the time they were very progressive, (as was their school system) But they have grown terribly outdated in an age where there is a glut of product offerings and product information available.

493 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:24:26am

re: #487 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Fried Bologna (Schrieber's Blue Ribbon) and eggies. Yummy.

494 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:24:27am

re: #487 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I ate veggie dogs with veggie chili all summer long. They are not as tasty as I remember regular hot dogs (the only meat food I miss, well; and fried bologna). But add enough mustard, onions, slaw, relish, they taste almost the same.

Meatless chili!?!?!

feh I say ,, feh!

495 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:26:16am

re: #494 sattv4u2

Meatless chili!?!?!

feh I say ,, feh!

Dude, meatless chili on a meatless hotdog!!!
(actually, you can make kick ass meatless chili using REFRIED beans)

496 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:26:25am

re: #488 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Vaclav Havel, author of "The Good Soldier Schweik" once got introuble as a journalist when he reported on a fire a local buthcher's shop that "the sawdust in his sausages burned furiously".

497 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:27:20am

re: #492 ralphieboy

In its own way, a glut is as bad as nothing.

It's always kind of funny to me that name-brand stuff still sells, when you can pick up the package and see the exact same ingredients in the store generic version, in the same concentration.

If what you're looking for is salicylic acid at 1.4% concentration, I don't get why people buy the more expensive version over the store one. They're the same thing. Literally.

There may be a glut of information, but there's not a glut of understanding.

498 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:27:45am

re: #494 sattv4u2

Meatless chili!?!?!

feh I say ,, feh!


I make a meatless chili using soya granulate, although I cheat by soaking it in beef broth...but in a chili or a spaghetti sauce it is almost indistinguishable from ground beef.

499 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:29:49am

Alright, this is funny/sad.

A professor at a school complains that he's been discriminated against, that he's been called inferior to non-Jews, and called a 'litigious Jew'. They complaint is found by the school to be without merit, and he's summarily let go.

So, he sues, and gets his job and back pay back, because it was kind of obvious he sued for making the discriminatory complaint.

What's sad is that in 2011, people are still getting fired for complaining about discrimination.

What's funny is calling someone a 'litigious Jew' and having him say "Okay then" and sue your pants off.

[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]

500 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:29:59am

re: #497 Obdicut

The kids call it "bo-bo" brands. I haven't taken a name brand pill OTC in ages. I check the prices and say (to myself), "People still buy Bayer, Tylenol and Advil?"

501 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:30:53am

re: #497 Obdicut

I always read labels, especially with OTC medications. And I will do so with food, if buying prepackaged.

502 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:32:55am

re: #499 Obdicut

it was kind of obvious he sued was fired for making the discriminatory complaint.

Okay, coffee time.

503 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:33:25am

re: #498 ralphieboy

Yep. Fantastic Brands has an excellent soy chili... that's what for hot dog chili. My wife eats it on regular hot dogs. Says it tastes good, but not as greasy as (say) Castleberry's.

504 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:33:33am

re: #502 Obdicut

Okay, coffee time.

Brand name or generic?

505 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:34:28am

re: #500 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The kids call it "bo-bo" brands. I haven't taken a name brand pill OTC in ages. I check the prices and say (to myself), "People still buy Bayer, Tylenol and Advil?"

I went to the store once, needed OTC acid control medicine. Next to the name brands were pills called Ranadine. My dad had about 150 of them in his cabinet, from the VA. And he had just died so he didn't need them.

506 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:35:52am

re: #503 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yep. Fantastic Brands has an excellent soy chili... that's what for hot dog chili. My wife eats it on regular hot dogs. Says it tastes good, but not as greasy as (say) Castleberry's.

Castleberry's Hot Dog Chili has no meat in it. Made with pinto beans.

507 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:36:53am

re: #505 Cannadian Club Akbar

needed OTC acid control medicine

From eating those glass filled hot dogs, no doubt

508 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:37:15am

re: #505 Cannadian Club Akbar

My mom had really dry skin to begin with and her chemo made things worse. All of my sisters and I got her skin type anyway... we divvied the leftovers of the mega expensive lotions and stuff the doctors kept prescribing.

509 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:37:45am

re: #504 sattv4u2

Brand name or generic?

Generic, from this nice store down in the East village where it's only 8.99 for the really good stuff.

510 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:37:46am

re: #506 Cannadian Club Akbar

You're fucking kidding, right?

511 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:39:30am

re: #510 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You're fucking kidding, right?

He's too old to be fucking kids!

512 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:40:22am

re: #510 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You're fucking kidding, right?

Nope. Might have beef base in it though. Haven' looked. But there are zero fat calories, iirc.

513 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:41:03am

re: #506 Cannadian Club Akbar

Holy crap!

(beef fat), but you're right.

I'm shocked.

514 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:41:43am

re: #512 Cannadian Club Akbar

Nope. Might have beef base in it though. Haven' looked. But there are zero fat calories, iirc.

Water, Crushed Beans, Beef Fat, Tomatoes, Mustard and Mustard Bran (Water, Vinegar, Mustard Seed, Mustard Bran, Salt, Turmeric)Less than 2 Percent: Salt, Soy Protein Concentrate, Brown Sugar, Monosodium Glutamate, Flavorings, Caramel Color, Oleoresin Paprika.

515 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:42:35am

re: #514 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What about the caloric intake? (calories, calories from fat, etc)

516 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:42:39am

re: #514 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Water, Crushed Beans, Beef Fat, Tomatoes, Mustard and Mustard Bran (Water, Vinegar, Mustard Seed, Mustard Bran, Salt, Turmeric)Less than 2 Percent: Salt, Soy Protein Concentrate, Brown Sugar, Monosodium Glutamate, Flavorings, Caramel Color, Oleoresin Paprika.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
They GOTCHYA!

517 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:43:07am

re: #516 sattv4u2

BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
They GOTCHYA!

They had him with Twinkies, IIRC.

518 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:43:14am

re: #514 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

By the way, I think the most uncomfortable word that I see in food labeling is "flavorings".

What are "flavorings"? Spit? Rat feces?

519 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:43:51am

re: #515 Cannadian Club Akbar

10 calories... none from fat.

520 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:44:09am

re: #518 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

By the way, I think the most uncomfortable word that I see in food labeling is "flavorings".

What are "flavorings"? Spit? Rat feces?

"Mechanically Separated" anything.

521 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:45:09am

re: #518 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

By the way, I think the most uncomfortable word that I see in food labeling is "flavorings".

What are "flavorings"? Spit? Rat feces?

I'll have you know that in my lifetime I have traded spit that was very tasty

Other times, not so much

522 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:45:16am

re: #520 Cannadian Club Akbar

Meh, when I use a chicken at home, I do a similar thing, so that part doesn't actually bother me. To me, that's just avoiding waste.

I'm more concerned about the allowable concentration of rat droppings and insect parts in processed meat.

523 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:46:38am

re: #522 Obdicut

when I use a chicken at home

I don't even want to know!
/

524 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:46:57am

When I was with Chili's, the managers "Big Book" (all corporate rules/regs/etc) had a spot titled "Confidential Recipes", for spices and the such. The fucking folder was empty. Idiots.

525 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:47:41am

re: #524 Cannadian Club Akbar

When I was with Chili's, the managers "Big Book" (all corporate rules/regs/etc) had a spot titled "Confidential Recipes", for spices and the such. The fucking folder was empty. Idiots.

Salt, Pepper

Repeat

526 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:48:01am

re: #522 Obdicut

How do you mechanically separate chicken at home? I use my hands.

527 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:49:33am

re: #526 Cannadian Club Akbar

How do you mechanically separate chicken at home? I use my hands.

with a fork

528 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:50:00am

re: #525 sattv4u2

Salt, Pepper

Repeat

Paprika for the onion blossoms, white pepper for the mashed taters.

529 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:51:58am

re: #52 SpaceJesus

Is Rick Perry going to drill for and find oil in Michigan?

Only if he allows Rick Snyder to drill for and find water in Texas.

530 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:52:26am

re: #526 Cannadian Club Akbar

How do you mechanically separate chicken at home? I use my hands.

TMI!

531 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:52:59am

bbiab

532 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:53:48am

re: #526 Cannadian Club Akbar

How do you mechanically separate chicken at home? I use my hands.

I've got a press-like thingy that my mom gave me. It's a weird old Italian contraption. It's obviously different from the big industrial ones, but similar concept.

And then I make chicken soup. Yum.

533 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:54:35am

Okay, kids. I have to teach a training class today.

I am considering playing a funny joke on the class and for the first two days? (my part of the training) Teach them entirely wrong.

It'll ruin their careers, but I think they'll think it's a funny joke. Might take a while for the punchline to get them.

534 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:55:33am

re: #532 Obdicut

I've got a press-like thingy that my mom gave me. It's a weird old Italian contraption. It's obviously different from the big industrial ones, but similar concept.

And then I make chicken soup. Yum.

We were making chicken enchiladas, handed a boiled chicken to my girlfriend and her roomate, told them to pretend it was some poor naive fool who still entertained a few romantic notions about women.

They had that sucker stripped cliean within minutes.

535 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:56:09am

re: #533 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Okay, kids. I have to teach a training class today.

I am considering playing a funny joke on the class and for the first two days? (my part of the training) Teach them entirely wrong.

It'll ruin their careers, but I think they'll think it's a funny joke. Might take a while for the punchline to get them.

They'll laugh their heads off as their standing in the unemployment line ,, AND as they choose who gets to choke you

536 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:56:31am

re: #532 Obdicut

I've got a press-like thingy that my mom gave me. It's a weird old Italian contraption. It's obviously different from the big industrial ones, but similar concept.

And then I make chicken soup. Yum.

I'll boil whole chicken and pull them then strip them by hand after it cools. No waste. And you can use the meat for soup, chix salad, chix tacos (add the right sauce) etc. Also use or save the stock.

537 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:58:06am

re: #533 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Okay, kids. I have to teach a training class today.

I am considering playing a funny joke on the class and for the first two days? (my part of the training) Teach them entirely wrong.

It'll ruin their careers, but I think they'll think it's a funny joke. Might take a while for the punchline to get them.

Mr Osika, my 4th grade teacher, used to love practical jokes.

Our last day of class before spring break fell on April 1st, so as a joke he started assigning an enormous mass of homework.

i was too busy and hunched over to notice that he has daid "April fool!" and went home, it ruined my vacation with the thought of all that homework looming over my head... put off doing the homework until the last day, got about half of it done and did not find out until I got back that I had been Rick rolled (I think his name was in fact Richard)

538 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 4:58:22am

re: #532 Obdicut

Oh! have to tell this...

When I was growing up; as one of six kids, you ate what was there or you didn't eat.

Later, after my parents had adopted my two nephews (their mom was a crack-whore before crack-whores were cool) I found mom de-boning chicken specifically for one of my nephews who's grossed out by the bones and the veins.

Wasn't exactly pissed off, but I remember not eating because mom made liver... dad and my suck up brother liked liver... no one else. And she was de-boning a damn chicken for that sniveling little...

539 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 5:01:48am

Alrighty, I'm going for a walk before the rains come. Someone take the minutes while I'm gone and leave them on my desk.:)

540 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 5:05:35am

re: #538 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh! have to tell this

Do I have to read it??

541 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 5:06:07am

re: #538 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh! have to tell this...

When I was growing up; as one of six kids, you ate what was there or you didn't eat.

Later, after my parents had adopted my two nephews (their mom was a crack-whore before crack-whores were cool) I found mom de-boning chicken specifically for one of my nephews who's grossed out by the bones and the veins.

Wasn't exactly pissed off, but I remember not eating because mom made liver... dad and my suck up brother liked liver... no one else. And she was de-boning a damn chicken for that sniveling little...

Every time I made chicken soup, I tried feeding my kids the boiled chicken in many creative and inventive ways. Chicken salad, chicken ravioli, chicken pot pie, chicken meatballs, every one a FAIL! They would not eat "used chicken."

542 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 5:07:24am

My daughter makes chicken patties and she deep-fries them.

543 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 5:09:55am

re: #542 Alouette

My daughter makes chicken patties and she deep-fries them.

I hope they have this at the next Georgia State Fair

Tasty Trumps Nutritious: Deep-Fried Butter

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

544 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 5:10:54am

morning all!

How is it going?

545 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 5:11:49am

re: #77 austin_blue

Now now now. There hasn't been a proven impact! (Except where there has.) Nothing to see here. All surface casing and second string cement jobs are perfect and without flaw. There is simply *no way* that gas production *thousands of feet below the ground* could affect shallow drinking water production zones. Really. Trust us. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

And the truth is somewhere in between the industry's "There will be no problems" and the environmentalist's "Cats and dogs sleeping together! Total chaos!" in results. I need to get some notes* and put together a page on the Marcellus Shale as a comparison.

* - When in Malaysia my brother gave a presentation on the Marcellus Formation three times. I can crib some stats from that and give a more nuanced presentation than the standard "nothing" vs "your tap water burns"** approach.

** - Gas coming out in tap water when your well taps through black shales in PA and NY is not uncommon. You don't need it to be fracked in order to light it on fire.

546 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 5:11:50am

re: #544 ggt

morning all!

How is it going?

At my age, slowly if at all

547 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 5:21:00am

re: #546 sattv4u2

At my age, slowly if at all

Especially if you are only on your first cuppa.

548 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 5:21:43am

Good morning Lizards! Rainy Philadelphia today and yesterday and thus a bit cooler.

Already looking like a 3-cup coffee morning...

549 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 5:24:16am

re: #548 oaktree

Good morning Lizards! Rainy Philadelphia today and yesterday and thus a bit cooler.

Already looking like a 3-cup coffee morning...

3 - cup?

hell, I just put on my 3rd POT!!

(been here, work, for nine and a half hours now)

550 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 5:26:32am

re: #549 sattv4u2

3 - cup?

hell, I just put on my 3rd POT!!

(been here, work, for nine and a half hours now)

Too much coffee and my typing starts looking lliikkee thhhiiisss from the caffeine jitters.

551 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 5:27:05am

re: #550 oaktree

Too much coffee and my typing starts looking lliikkee thhhiiisss from the caffeine jitters.

Mine looks like that from the lousy typing skills!

552 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 5:28:20am

re: #551 sattv4u2

Mine looks like that from the lousy typing skills!

Just add "(gollum)" every so often and everyone will take it in stride. And probably send you raw fish.

553 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 5:32:59am

3 cuppas is just a beginning . . .

554 Atlas Fails  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 5:36:13am
555 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 5:38:34am

re: #554 Atlas Fails

OMG THEY'RE DISRESPECTIN' TEH LORD!!!11!!1!!!11ty

I have to ask, would they do the same thing with a Muslim character . . .

:0

556 garhighway  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 5:39:00am

On the Rick Perry front, here's an interesting story reminding us of his misadventure regarding HPV vaccine. It's a weird case, in that he appeared to be going against GOP conservative orthodoxy to do something that is science-based and to further public health. Then it turns out it might have just been to suck up to a big donor.

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

sample:

Although some religious groups supported the move, Perry's argument failed to quell growing dissent from the religious right.

"They're hitting two nerves: They're not only taking away parental rights, but they're talking about a vaccine against a purely sexually transmitted disease," Linda Klepacki, then an analyst for the national evangelical organization Focus on the Family, told the Dallas Morning News. "Does the public health industry truly believe that all children and adolescents are sexually active? This is not something kids are going to contract sitting in the classroom."

While the break with social conservatives is notable, especially in the context of today's GOP primary, it only tells part of the story. In fact, opposition to the vaccine quickly spread to encompass a wide variety of groups across the political spectrum.

One very prominent angle in news reports at the time was Merck's personal connections to Perry. The governor's former chief of staff, Mike Toomey, did lobbying work for the company, which was at the time waging a very aggressive campaign to convince state governments to distribute their drug. Toomey currently runs a Super PAC supporting Perry's presidential campaign. Merck's PAC made a $5,000 donation to Perry's campaign, hardly a huge number in the context of his overall fundraising, but one that generated intense scrutiny in the press -- especially as it came the same day his senior staff met to discuss the HPV issue. Perry's office denied being influenced by the drug manufacturer.

557 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 5:41:25am

Since I learned that HPV is the 2nd leading cause of throat cancer, I'm not as opposed to this vaccine as I once was.

I can see with the "Chrisitan" crowd, that it might be beneficial. Since one can remain a "virgin" if one has oral sex. . . . *spit*

558 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 5:42:50am

re: #555 ggt

I have to ask, would they do the same thing with a Muslim character . . .

:0

I never get why people think they wouldn't.

559 garhighway  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 5:43:04am

re: #557 ggt

Since I learned that HPV is the 2nd leading cause of throat cancer, I'm not as opposed to this vaccine as I once was.

I can see with the "Chrisitan" crowd, that it might be beneficial. Since one can remain a "virgin" if one has oral sex. . . . *spit*

I think it is a classic case of Gov. Perry doing the right thing for the wrong reason. His original order, which allowed for parental opt-out, seemed pretty reasonable to me. And he told a very nice public health story in trying to sell it. But that connection to Merck...

560 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 5:43:07am

re: #557 ggt

Since I learned that HPV is the 2nd leading cause of throat cancer, I'm not as opposed to this vaccine as I once was.

I can see with the "Chrisitan" crowd, that it might be beneficial. Since one can remain a "virgin" if one has oral sex. . . . *spit*

That answers THAT question!!
/

561 Atlas Fails  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 5:44:06am

Their slogans are splashed across buses and splattered in convention programs. The "Dexter" slogan was "Do unto others." That's a bad case of turning the Golden Rule upside down.

Recognizing irony fail.

562 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 5:44:55am

re: #554 Atlas Fails

I wonder if Bozell is tying himself into idiot knots over the Tom Waits song, too:

563 Atlas Fails  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 5:47:27am

He is often drunk and therefore not caring for his six children, which in the real world constitutes felonious abandonment, but on Showtime it's a subplot.

Understanding fiction fail.

564 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 5:48:34am

re: #562 Obdicut

I wonder if Bozell is tying himself into idiot knots over the Tom Waits song, too:

[Video]

But everyon knows that Tom Waits is Teh Debbil!

565 garhighway  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 5:49:44am

Interesting info source (and I apologize if it has already been posted): NOAA's State of the Climate report for 2010:

[Link: www.ncdc.noaa.gov...]

Tons of data.

566 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 5:50:05am

re: #563 Atlas Fails

Understanding fiction fail.

It's like he thinks that playing around with Christian imagery is some new and terrible thing.

Guess he never read Chaucer, Shakespeare, or Joyce.

Or maybe he did, and hated them too.

567 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 5:51:02am

re: #564 oaktree

But everyon knows that Tom Waits is Teh Debbil!

No no, he's keeping that devil down in the hole.

568 Atlas Fails  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 5:52:24am

My favorite comment below the Bozell article:

The Bible tells us that this realm we're in was given to Satan. It makes sense that he would put his most loyal servants into the most powerful positions, especially in regard to influencing men's minds. It looks to me like those who can be drawn to him through this sort of propaganda belong with him. If God didn't want this propaganda to be so pervasive He could end it easily enough. Read the Bible and you'll see that there's nothing new about hatred of Christianity being prevalent in the mainstream.

Motto of the liberal press: Ye shall know untruth, and it shall make you unfree.

What is this I don't even...

569 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 5:53:42am

re: #568 Atlas Fails

The Bible tells us that this realm we're in was given to Satan.

it does?

570 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 5:55:10am

re: #568 Atlas Fails

The Bible tells us that this realm we're in was given to Satan.

Oh, they must live in Schenectady.

571 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 5:56:12am

re: #570 Obdicut

Oh, they must live in Schenectady.

or Detroit.

572 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 5:56:12am

re: #569 ggt

it does?

Yes, if you read it backwards

Sorta like playing Abby Road backwards you can clearly hear "Paul Is Dead"

573 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 5:56:41am

re: #572 sattv4u2

Yes, if you read it backwards

Sorta like playing Abby Road backwards you can clearly hear "Paul Is Dead"

Ok, but don't Christians already read it backwards

oh wait . . .

574 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 6:00:49am

What do the 'taxes are the debil' people do when Warren Buffet tells them the truth? Do they just ignore it?

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]


Buffett, one of the world's richest men and chairman of conglomerate Berkshire Hathaway Inc , said his federal tax bill last year was $6,938,744.

"That sounds like a lot of money. But what I paid was only 17.4 percent of my taxable income - and that's actually a lower percentage than was paid by any of the other 20 people in our office. Their tax burdens ranged from 33 percent to 41 percent and averaged 36 percent," he said.

...

"I have worked with investors for 60 years and I have yet to see anyone - not even when capital gains rates were 39.9 percent in 1976-77 - shy away from a sensible investment because of the tax rate on the potential gain," he said

"People invest to make money, and potential taxes have never scared them off."

575 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 6:01:41am

i'm off to accomplish something.

Have a great day all!

576 garhighway  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 6:02:40am

re: #574 Obdicut

What do the 'taxes are the debil' people do when Warren Buffet tells them the truth? Do they just ignore it?

...

Yes they do.

577 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 6:09:28am

re: #574 Obdicut

I posted this last week:
But as he pushes to get the rich to pay more into federal coffers, Obama is also urging Congress to approve a trade agreement that would cement a key tax avoidance tactic deployed by some of the richest Americans.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Although most will ask why Buffet doesn't just pay extra, blah, blah.

578 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 6:26:18am

Googly is the Debbil.
/
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

579 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 6:26:25am

bbl

580 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 6:36:14am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Soggy isn't quite the word for things in this neck of the woods. We've had record rainfall across a good part of the area - with more than 10 inches reported in a 24 hour period. Nearly 6 inches fell in Central Park. We probably had 3+ inches where I live, but there's lots of folks waking to find flooded basements, if they didn't already know it.

The weather also killed my FiOS system yesterday. Fried it with a power surge/brownout. With the strike, it wont be until Wed before someone can get out to fix it. Would be nice if they could settle the strike already - cut a few executive salaries and give the workers a bit more compensation, while the workers recognize that they're working on a sector (copper landlines) that are a dying breed as they replace technologies.

Oh well, that's a minor inconvenience compared to having a flooded basement or worrying about nearby rivers flooding, or riots, or being a Syrian living in fear of the regime, or worrying about terrorists blowing stuff up all across your country, being in a war zone. Perspective...

581 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 7:15:42am

re: #574 Obdicut

What do the 'taxes are the debil' people do when Warren Buffet tells them the truth? Do they just ignore it?

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

...

When Obama says "super rich" he really means mom & pop small business owners with a net revenue of $250,000! Them's just reg'lr folks!1!

582 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 7:17:02am

Good morning, Lizardim. It was a red dawn in the wild north country today. The county fair was *cough* fairly uneventful, although the demolition derby had a few spectacular and somewhat scary moments. Seems like that always happens when you put a bunch of rednecks in junked-out cars and tell them to beat on each other until either their car or everybody else's fails to move anymore.

583 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 7:35:55am

re: #582 thedopefishlives

Good morning, Lizardim. It was a red dawn in the wild north country today. The county fair was *cough* fairly uneventful, although the demolition derby had a few spectacular and somewhat scary moments. Seems like that always happens when you put a bunch of rednecks in junked-out cars and tell them to beat on each other until either their car or everybody else's fails to move anymore.

wild north country of which state? If NY, do you meant "north country" like north of NYC, or the true "north country" of the Andirondack and parts north and east of Watertown?

:)

584 Lidane  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 7:36:15am

Morning, Lizards! It's Monday. Another work week is starting, and Pam is still crazy. A friend passed this link on:

Meet Rick Perry

585 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 7:37:01am

re: #583 oaktree

wild north country of which state? If NY, do you meant "north country" like north of NYC, or the true "north country" of the Andirondack and parts north and east of Watertown?

:)

Sigh. The "wild north country" is referring to my current state of residence, Minnesota. I've never even been to New York.

586 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 7:37:22am

Well,, THAT was interesting

Just got off the phone with a head hunter. Seems as if I could, if I choose, be in the running for the position of CTO (chief technical officer) for a satellite provider.

UPSIDE , a guaranteed 5-10 year contract starting at a little over double what I make now

I would, however, have to move to Azerbaijan!!

587 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 7:39:18am

re: #586 sattv4u2

Well,, THAT was interesting

Just got off the phone with a head hunter. Seems as if I could, if I choose, be in the running for the position of CTO (chief technical officer) for a satellite provider.

UPSIDE , a guaranteed 5-10 year contract starting at a little over double what I make now

I would, however, have to move to Azerbaijan!!

Headhunters truly amaze me sometimes. I mean, the balls on some of these guys have to be positively massive to approach some random stranger, give us a job pitch, and seriously expect us not to laugh them off the phone. Especially with a pitch like that.

588 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 7:40:17am

bbiab,, he's calling again!

589 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 7:41:16am

re: #587 thedopefishlives

Headhunters truly amaze me sometimes. I mean, the balls on some of these guys have to be positively massive to approach some random stranger, give us a job pitch, and seriously expect us not to laugh them off the phone. Especially with a pitch like that.

I'm not a "stranger" to them

This one specializes in our industry

I'm at the comapny I'm at now because of them

590 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 7:45:57am

re: #587 thedopefishlives

Headhunters truly amaze me sometimes. I mean, the balls on some of these guys have to be positively massive to approach some random stranger, give us a job pitch, and seriously expect us not to laugh them off the phone. Especially with a pitch like that.

I get a ton of "spam" from recruiters. Most of it is for medium-term (6 mo. - 1 yr.) contracts that require temporary relocation and of course no relocation compensation. But the pay is more than twice what I am making at my current job. The downside of course is that in 6 months you will be unemployed again.

591 iossarian  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 7:46:15am

re: #586 sattv4u2


I would, however, have to move to Azerbaijan!!

They have different kinds of head-hunters there!

/cultural ignorance alert

592 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 7:52:50am

re: #590 Alouette

I get a ton of "spam" from recruiters. Most of it is for medium-term (6 mo. - 1 yr.) contracts that require temporary relocation and of course no relocation compensation. But the pay is more than twice what I am making at my current job. The downside of course is that in 6 months you will be unemployed again.

Yeah, I get a lot of those too. Even though I have a stellar resume and a decent work history, I just don't feel comfortable diving into the short- and medium-term contracting business. My current life situation needs a lot more stability than independent contracting can provide.

593 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 7:53:36am

re: #586 sattv4u2

Well,, THAT was interesting

Just got off the phone with a head hunter. Seems as if I could, if I choose, be in the running for the position of CTO (chief technical officer) for a satellite provider.

UPSIDE , a guaranteed 5-10 year contract starting at a little over double what I make now

I would, however, have to move to Azerbaijan!!


Baku is nice this time of year...

594 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 7:54:36am

re: #593 rwdflynavy

Baku is nice this time of year...


Also, Good Morning Honcos! Off to class again. BBL

595 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 7:55:21am

re: #592 thedopefishlives

Yeah, I get a lot of those too. Even though I have a stellar resume and a decent work history, I just don't feel comfortable diving into the short- and medium-term contracting business. My current life situation needs a lot more stability than independent contracting can provide.

I made the mistake during the Y2K craze of giving up a permanent, if moderate-paying job, for contracting big bucks. I did rake it in for a while, but Y2K ended and most of the permanent jobs went overseas.

596 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 7:59:55am

re: #585 thedopefishlives

Sigh. The "wild north country" is referring to my current state of residence, Minnesota. I've never even been to New York.

Quite similar in a number of ways. Lots of lakes, mosquitos, and quite cold in the winter.

597 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 8:02:40am

re: #592 thedopefishlives

My current life situation needs a lot more stability than independent contracting can provide.

Speaking of which, how is the little fry?

598 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 8:04:13am

re: #597 wrenchwench

Speaking of which, how is the little fry?

Doing just fine. Underweight, which has his mother concerned, but the Mrs. Fish is losing no time in attempting to fatten the little guy up. But he's very happy and enjoys rolling/scooting around on the floor.

599 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 8:07:40am

re: #592 thedopefishlives

Yeah, I get a lot of those too. Even though I have a stellar resume and a decent work history, I just don't feel comfortable diving into the short- and medium-term contracting business. My current life situation needs a lot more stability than independent contracting can provide.

Varek has a stellar resume as well. But in that case it's a list of stars destroyed using various nefarious Evil Overlord devices...

;)

600 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 8:08:21am

re: #599 oaktree

Varek has a stellar resume as well. But in that case it's a list of stars destroyed using various nefarious Evil Overlord devices...

;)

Hopefully he has the presence of mind to adhere to the Evil Overlord List.

601 blueraven  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 8:20:49am
602 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 8:37:13am

re: #601 blueraven

About the only thing in common is that both are from Texas. Perry wouldn't be Bush redux. Bush pushed for and got NCLB and Medicare Part D. Perry would undermine all that and more.

To the cheering delight of the masses who wouldn't quite get that they've undermined their own safety net and programs that benefit them and their states.

603 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 8:40:14am

re: #600 thedopefishlives

If you need an evil overlord checklist to make sure that you remain in power, you're not sufficiently evil.

604 Lidane  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 8:41:47am

re: #602 lawhawk

About the only thing in common is that both are from Texas. Perry wouldn't be Bush redux. Bush pushed for and got NCLB and Medicare Part D. Perry would undermine all that and more.

To the cheering delight of the masses who wouldn't quite get that they've undermined their own safety net and programs that benefit them and their states.

Not only that, but Perry would consider it a personal insult to be compared to Dubya. They hate each other. Perry wants nothing to do with Bush, and vice versa.

Perry is, in fact, worse than Bush in so many respects. I would've eaten glass before voting for Bush, but I'd still take him over Perry any day, no question.

605 recusancy  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 8:42:55am
606 blueraven  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 8:43:03am

re: #602 lawhawk

About the only thing in common is that both are from Texas. Perry wouldn't be Bush redux. Bush pushed for and got NCLB and Medicare Part D. Perry would undermine all that and more.

To the cheering delight of the masses who wouldn't quite get that they've undermined their own safety net and programs that benefit them and their states.

I think it is more about their style than their actual policy prescriptions.
Texas Swagger mixed with an Evangelical world view. In this regard, Perry is Bush squared.

607 recusancy  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 8:45:26am

re: #602 lawhawk

About the only thing in common is that both are from Texas. Perry wouldn't be Bush redux. Bush pushed for and got NCLB and Medicare Part D. Perry would undermine all that and more.

To the cheering delight of the masses who wouldn't quite get that they've undermined their own safety net and programs that benefit them and their states.

Bush did try to privatize social security. They aren't exactly polar opposites either.

608 jaunte  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 8:46:29am

re: #605 recusancy

Good counterpoint for that common talking point.

“We’re dismayed at the injustice that nearly half of all Americans don’t even pay any income tax,”
...
...a more fundamental issue that I think even liberals tend to miss when discussing this point is that the largest class of people who don’t pay income taxes are people who don’t have jobs because they’re retired.
609 Lidane  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 8:49:57am

re: #607 recusancy

Bush did try to privatize social security. They aren't exactly polar opposites either.

They're not polar opposites since they have some similar policy positions. However, Perry, unlike Bush, is far more ruthless and calculating.

Bush, I think, was genuine in his religious beliefs. Perry, OTOH, wrapped himself around the nutbags at his recent tent revival to make himself the preferred fundie candidate. In his mind, if he's got all those fanatics on his side, he has the evangelical vote locked up. Appearing alongside them doesn't hurt him at all.

Perry is also a graduate from the same Debates Are Not An Option school that Palin and Sharron Angle and others in the GOP are from. He has no interest in talking about ideas openly or in doing unscripted events. Bush at least had the capacity to debate his electoral opponents.

610 recusancy  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 8:51:29am

re: #609 Lidane

I must have missed all those unscripted events that Bush did.

611 Lidane  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 8:52:45am

re: #610 recusancy

I must have missed all those unscripted events that Bush did.

Bush didn't do a huge number of unscripted events. However, he DID participate in debates when he ran for governor. Perry doesn't even do that much.

612 recusancy  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 8:54:49am

re: #611 Lidane

Bush didn't do a huge number of unscripted events. However, he DID participate in debates when he ran for governor. Perry doesn't even do that much.

Really? He doesn't do debates? Wow. How did he get away with that?

613 Interesting Times  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 8:55:15am

re: #612 recusancy

Really? He doesn't do debates? Wow. How did he get away with that?

Voters let him.

614 recusancy  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 8:55:31am

re: #613 publicityStunted

Voters let him.

What about the press?

615 iossarian  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 8:55:31am

re: #602 lawhawk

About the only thing in common is that both are from Texas. Perry wouldn't be Bush redux. Bush pushed for and got NCLB and Medicare Part D. Perry would undermine all that and more.

Not to quibble (I agree on the basic premise that Perry is worse than Bush) but Medicare Part D was basically a transfer of public money to the Pharma industry, and NCLB is at best highly contentious among the education industry - it isn't exactly an example of "liberal credentials".

616 jaunte  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 8:55:35am

re: #612 recusancy

It's the hair.

617 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 8:55:46am

re: #614 recusancy

What about the press?

Press? What press?

618 Lidane  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 8:55:54am

re: #612 recusancy

Really? He doesn't do debates? Wow. How did he get away with that?

The same way that Sharron Angle got away with it -- he presented the idea of a debate as a distraction and a waste of the voters' time, and people believed him.

619 Interesting Times  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 8:56:06am

re: #614 recusancy

What about the press?

lol press. I think you mean "stenographers."

620 recusancy  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 8:56:28am

fuckin texas

621 Interesting Times  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 8:57:53am

re: #620 recusancy

fuckin texas

How does it work? :/

622 iossarian  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 8:58:28am

re: #618 Lidane

The same way that Sharron Angle got away with it -- he presented the idea of a debate as a distraction and a waste of the voters' time, and people believed him.

It's even simpler than that. People with emotional attachment to right-wing politicians (i.e., the people voting against their economic self-interest for non-rational reasons) don't want to hear debates, because their chosen team does very badly in the arena of logical reasoning.

If you were an NBA fan, you wouldn't want your team to compete in a chess tournament either because they'd get schooled.

So they're quite happy for Perry to skip debates. In any case, why bother when your candidate is anointed by God?

623 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 8:58:36am

re: #621 publicityStunted

How does it work? :/

It doesn't. Perhaps we need a Texas tag here, like Fark has for Florida.

624 Lidane  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 8:59:16am

Can I just say that defending Bush is making me laugh right now? I've never been a fan. I was a very vocal critic of his as governor and as POTUS.

The fact that I'm talking him up in comparison to Perry is hilarious to me.

625 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 8:59:40am

re: #574 Obdicut

What do the 'taxes are the debil' people do when Warren Buffet tells them the truth? Do they just ignore it?

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

...

Well, around here, they point out that if he wants to pay extra, he can, and that he's a hypocrite for hiring tax consultants.

626 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:01:49am

re: #593 rwdflynavy

Baku is nice this time of year...

There's a Yiddish poem that begins, "My husband's in America, my son is in Baku..." and as a result, I think of it every time someone mentions Baku.

That is all.

627 iossarian  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:02:23am

re: #624 Lidane

Can I just say that defending Bush is making me laugh right now? I've never been a fan. I was a very vocal critic of his as governor and as POTUS.

The fact that I'm talking him up in comparison to Perry is hilarious to me.

I don't think it's really worth defending Bush in relation to Perry. They're just different kinds of trouble.

I think Bush was perhaps more innocent of the ramifications of his policy decisions (i.e., maybe he really didn't realize that Medicare Part D was a very cost-ineffective way of achieving the stated goal of covering prescription drugs). But ultimately I don't think policy under Perry would be much different from that under Bush, with the possible exception of Muslim-bashing.

628 Atlas Fails  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:09:16am

Crazy Pam is getting herself all wet that Obama's approval rating dipped to 39%...in a daily Sunday poll. Granted, the latest comprehensive poll by the NYT showed him at 48%, but that propaganda rag won't get Pam down!

629 Lidane  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:15:57am

re: #627 iossarian

I don't think it's really worth defending Bush in relation to Perry. They're just different kinds of trouble.

That's just it -- Perry's kind of trouble is worse by several orders of magnitude.

I mean, I'm not a Bush fan, but he at least seemed like a guy who meant well, even if if his policies sucked and he got us bogged down in two wars. Perry is the kind of guy who makes Mitt Romney look sincere. He's Sarah Palin with some actual political skills.

630 Targetpractice  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:18:25am

re: #628 Atlas Fails

Crazy Pam is getting herself all wet that Obama's approval rating dipped to 39%...in a daily Sunday poll. Granted, the latest comprehensive poll by the NYT showed him at 48%, but that propaganda rag won't get Pam down!

That's alright, I just saw a CNN poll showing the GOP's unfavorables hitting 59%, with the Tea Party not far behind at 51%. Obama may not be overly favored, but it doesn't look like the direct competition is in any better shape.

631 Targetpractice  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:21:35am

*Pokes the thread with a stick*

632 iossarian  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:22:02am

re: #629 Lidane

That's just it -- Perry's kind of trouble is worse by several orders of magnitude.

I mean, I'm not a Bush fan, but he at least seemed like a guy who meant well, even if if his policies sucked and he got us bogged down in two wars. Perry is the kind of guy who makes Mitt Romney look sincere. He's Sarah Palin with some actual political skills.

See, for me this is it: I think Perry would be a pure corporate stooge once elected, which is effectively what Bush was. I think the only difference (again, other than Muslim-bashing) is possibly that Bush was naive and "meant well" whereas Perry is cynical and a sellout. But the end result would be the same - I can't easily think of policy areas where Perry would have a different take than Bush had.

633 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:22:16am

re: #631 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I'm trying to sleep in here.

634 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:23:27am

re: #633 Obdicut

I'm trying to sleep in here.

Sleep, she is for the weak.

The weak are such because they sleep not.

635 Targetpractice  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:24:21am

re: #633 Obdicut

I'm trying to sleep in here.

That's what caffeine's for. You can sleep when you're dead.

636 garhighway  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:24:45am

Hey, here's something interesting: a science blog post about prions and how one particular type of lichen can neutralize them.

[Link: blogs.scientificamerican.com...]

Given that prions can be otherwise indestructible, this is pretty remarkable.

637 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:27:12am

Did anybody see "Rango"? It's like they took the most sucky parts of "The Tale of Despereaux" (which was almost all Suck) and repurposed it in the Wild West.

638 jaunte  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:29:09am

re: #632 iossarian

Some Rick Perry campaign music:

It was the loveliest party
That I've ever attended
If anything got broken
I'm sure it could be mended
But my head can't stand this bobbin' and pretendin'
Tolerate some bullethead and the bullshit that he's sayin'

This is where the party ends
I can't stand here listening to your
Your racist friend
This is where the party ends
I'll just sit here wondering how you
Can stand by your racist friend
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

639 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:29:21am

re: #636 garhighway

Hey, here's something interesting: a science blog post about prions and how one particular type of lichen can neutralize them.

[Link: blogs.scientificamerican.com...]

Given that prions can be otherwise indestructible, this is pretty remarkable.

Isn't Mad Cow Disease caused by prions?

640 blueraven  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:31:00am

LOL...stealth downdinger ThomasLite didn't appreciate my Bush/Perry pic.

641 Targetpractice  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:31:44am

re: #639 Alouette

Isn't Mad Cow Disease caused by prions?

Yep, as well as the human variant, which is suspected to be due to prions from those same cows surviving the butchering process.

642 Lidane  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:33:02am

re: #632 iossarian

I can't easily think of policy areas where Perry would have a different take than Bush had.

I can. While both men are pro-death penalty, Bush would have been the kind of person to allow a reprieve for DNA testing if there was potential evidence that might exonerate someone. In fact, in one controversial case that might have been overturned on DNA evidence, the execution happened because the attorneys in Bush's office didn't tell him about the DNA testing being requested.

Perry doesn't give a damn about things like that. He executed an innocent man and his supporters CHEERED HIM for it.

643 Lidane  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:34:31am

re: #637 Alouette

Did anybody see "Rango"? It's like they took the most sucky parts of "The Tale of Despereaux" (which was almost all Suck) and repurposed it in the Wild West.

Rango had its moments, but it was very uneven. Never have seen The Tale of Despereaux.

644 garhighway  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:35:11am

re: #641 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yep, as well as the human variant, which is suspected to be due to prions from those same cows surviving the butchering process.

That's right. And the fact that prions survive heat, cold, and many other standard sterilization techniques makes them particularly troublesome.

645 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:36:21am

re: #643 Lidane

Rango had its moments, but it was very uneven. Never have seen The Tale of Despereaux.

Both movies are way too dark and scary to show my grandkids (They told me Disney is scary!)

646 Lidane  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:38:29am

re: #645 Alouette

Both movies are way too dark and scary to show my grandkids (They told me Disney is scary!)

I'd recommend Gnomeo & Juliet. It's cute, harmless fun and is a way to introduce your grandkids to Shakespeare without traumatizing them. Heh.

647 Kragar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:38:53am

re: #645 Alouette

Both movies are way too dark and scary to show my grandkids (They told me Disney is scary!)

My kids preferred The Thing.

648 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:43:06am

re: #647 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

My kids preferred The Thing.

Wow, there's a movie I haven't watched in years. May have to break out the DVD in the near future.

John Carpenter had some entertaining flicks back in the day. Unfortunately, he's also had his share of crapfests, but The Thing was always fun to me. And to follow along on the Disney thread, isn't that where Kurt Russel got his start?

649 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:43:35am

re: #646 Lidane

I'd recommend Gnomeo & Juliet. It's cute, harmless fun and is a way to introduce your grandkids to Shakespeare without traumatizing them. Heh.

I don't like "cutesy" adaptations of Shakespeare. I remember there was some totally stupid version of "Twelfth Night" set at a modern high school in order to appeal to teenagers. What next, a vampire version of Macbeth?

Ol' Bill might have approved, though. He was totally into appealing to all kinds of audiences and packing the house.

650 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:45:26am

re: #649 Alouette

I don't like "cutesy" adaptations of Shakespeare. I remember there was some totally stupid version of "Twelfth Night" set at a modern high school in order to appeal to teenagers. What next, a vampire version of Macbeth?

Ol' Bill might have approved, though. He was totally into appealing to all kinds of audiences and packing the house.

Bill would have signed on to anything that would have paid.

(Although what I'm thinking of is the scene in Amadeus, where they're watching a sort of burlesque parody of Don Giovanni. Mozart is cracking up, and his wife is annoyed.)

651 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:49:02am

Morning lizards!

652 Lidane  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:49:04am

re: #649 Alouette

I don't like "cutesy" adaptations of Shakespeare. I remember there was some totally stupid version of "Twelfth Night" set at a modern high school in order to appeal to teenagers. What next, a vampire version of Macbeth?

Ol' Bill might have approved, though. He was totally into appealing to all kinds of audiences and packing the house.

I don't like tween adaptations of Shakespeare either, but the way they did Romeo & Juliet is cute in the sense that adults will get the references and the larger play at work. Kids will see a movie about two families of garden gnomes fighting over their respective gardens while a boy from one garden wants to be with a girl from the other.

They also have a scene in the middle of the film with a statue of Shakespeare (played by Patrick Stewart) talking about the real play with Gnomeo (James McAvoy) and telling him how it *should* end.

653 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:49:39am

Scariest part of "Rango" was that creepy CGI Clint Eastwood.

654 Kragar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:50:44am

re: #648 MrSilverDragon

Wow, there's a movie I haven't watched in years. May have to break out the DVD in the near future.

John Carpenter had some entertaining flicks back in the day. Unfortunately, he's also had his share of crapfests, but The Thing was always fun to me. And to follow along on the Disney thread, isn't that where Kurt Russel got his start?

Yes, back in the 60s.

655 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:51:08am

re: #653 Alouette

Scariest part of "Rango" was that creepy CGI Clint Eastwood.

My kids got that movie last week and love it.

656 Kragar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:51:55am

I'm kind of in the mood to watch Soldier right now.

657 Lidane  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:52:08am

re: #653 Alouette

Scariest part of "Rango" was that creepy CGI Clint Eastwood.

I would have thought the big rattlesnake would scare them more.

BTW, side note-- the Clint Eastwood character was voiced by Timothy Olyphant from Deadwood and Justified.

658 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:52:23am

re: #652 Lidane

I don't like tween adaptations of Shakespeare either, but the way they did Romeo & Juliet is cute in the sense that adults will get the references and the larger play at work. Kids will see a movie about two families of garden gnomes fighting over their respective gardens while a boy from one garden wants to be with a girl from the other.

They also have a scene in the middle of the film with a statue of Shakespeare (played by Patrick Stewart) talking about the real play with Gnomeo (James McAvoy) and telling him how it *should* end.

They should remake every Shakespeare production and include the sassy gay friend." Although I have stopped watching SGF since they became commercials for that pocket kool-aid stuff.

659 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:54:09am

re: #657 Lidane

I would have thought the big rattlesnake would scare them more.

BTW, side note-- the Clint Eastwood character was voiced by Timothy Olyphant from Deadwood and Justified.

My grandkids would have freaked out from the creepy roadkill armadillo at the beginning. Big, scary and ugly as fuck.

660 Targetpractice  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:54:41am

re: #647 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

My kids preferred The Thing.

They've got a prequel coming out soon.

661 Kragar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:54:47am

re: #658 Alouette

They should remake every Shakespeare production and include the sassy gay friend." Although I have stopped watching SGF since they became commercials for that pocket kool-aid stuff.

I think you mean they should redo every Shakespeare production and cast Steven Wright as the lead.

662 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:55:24am

re: #661 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I think you mean they should redo every Shakespeare production and cast Steven Wright as the lead.

Male or female lead?

663 Kragar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:55:42am

re: #660 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

They've got a prequel coming out soon.

HERESY! BLASPHEMY! DIE IN THE CLEANSING FIRE OF PERDITION!

Ahem.

Yes, I've heard that as well.

664 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:55:42am

re: #645 Alouette

Both movies are way too dark and scary to show my grandkids (They told me Disney is scary!)

Go with Wallace & Gromit. A Matter of Loaf and Death & The Curse of the Were-Rabbit are absolute genius.

665 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:55:44am

re: #662 Alouette

Male or female lead?

Yes.

666 Kragar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:57:51am

re: #662 Alouette

Male or female lead?

Male lead. The female lead would be played by Rowan Atkinson.

667 Lidane  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 9:59:17am

re: #664 wlewisiii

Go with Wallace & Gromit. A Matter of Loaf and Death & The Curse of the Were-Rabbit are absolute genius.

Also, the Shaun the Sheep short films are fun. Same creative team as Wallace & Gromit, but without dialogue.

668 Kragar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:01:12am

And Perry sucks up to the Socons even more;

Perry's new stand on HPV vaccine

669 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:01:21am

re: #667 Lidane

Also, the Shaun the Sheep short films are fun. Same creative team as Wallace & Gromit, but without dialogue.

"He's Shaun the Sheep,
He's Shaun the Sheep,
He even mucks about with those who can not bleat!"

Good funny stuff.

670 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:02:19am

re: #656 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm kind of in the mood to watch Soldier right now.

Kurt Russell Soldier?

Love that movie.

671 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:03:31am

re: #669 wlewisiii

"He's Shaun the Sheep,
He's Shaun the Sheep,
He even mucks about with those who can not bleat!"

Good funny stuff.

Is it my imagination, or do they pronounce it "Shorn"?

672 Targetpractice  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:04:33am

re: #668 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And Perry sucks up to the Socons even more;

Perry's new stand on HPV vaccine

Yeah, get ready for a lot of twisting and turning in the coming weeks, as Perry turns himself into a pretzel to portray himself as the Tea Party candidate. Somebody should tell him that Bachmann's already got that angle covered.

673 Kragar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:05:04am

re: #670 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Kurt Russell Soldier?

Love that movie.

"one soldier, against seventeen. What are you going to do?"
"I'm going to kill them all, Sir."

674 Kragar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:07:37am
675 Lidane  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:11:27am

re: #674 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Tea Party Movement Getting Americans Steamed

Just wait until they nominate a Tea Party true believer as the GOP candidate for POTUS. That's when the fun will really start.

676 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:13:10am

In other news, Bachmann tried to reach out to the Hispanic community by showing her fondness for Churros

Image: 6046482042_ba303b008d_o.jpg

677 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:15:14am

re: #676 reuven

In other news, Bachmann tried to reach out to the Hispanic community by showing her fondness for Churros

Image: 6046482042_ba303b008d_o.jpg

That just looks like a churro. It's actually fried tea on a stick.

678 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:16:48am

I put on my Flickr stream that I'd take requests for Bachmann! So my next Photoshop project is to put her on Mars.

679 Targetpractice  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:19:10am

re: #674 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Tea Party Movement Getting Americans Steamed

Look for the Tea Partiers to argue that those are "push polls," Democrats were "oversampled," the questions were leading, etc, etc. Anything but an acknowledgment that the voters are not impressed with their activities to date.

680 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:20:06am

re: #678 reuven

I put on my Flickr stream that I'd take requests for Bachmann! So my next Photoshop project is to put her on Mars.

Show Marvin the Martian giving a facepalm over her?

681 Kragar  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:20:17am

re: #676 reuven

In other news, Bachmann tried to reach out to the Hispanic community by showing her fondness for Churros

Image: 6046482042_ba303b008d_o.jpg



Hmmm

682 Lidane  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:20:37am

re: #679 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Look for the Tea Partiers to argue that those are "push polls," Democrats were "oversampled," the questions were leading, etc, etc. Anything but an acknowledgment that the voters are not impressed with their activities to date.

LAMESTREAM MEDIA!!!

683 makeitstop  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:22:58am

re: #676 reuven

In other news, Bachmann tried to reach out to the Hispanic community by showing her fondness for Churros

Image: 6046482042_ba303b008d_o.jpg

That's just wrong on a whole lot of levels.

684 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:25:39am

re: #683 makeitstop

That's just wrong on a whole lot of levels.

Agreed. Photoshop can be fun, but in this case it strikes me as likely to produce a major backlash. It also allows Bachmann to play the victim card more effectively. Remember, we're trying to keep her from getting the nomination, so let's make sure we take effective action.

685 makeitstop  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:26:53am

re: #684 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. Photoshop can be fun, but in this case it strikes me as likely to produce a major backlash. It also allows Bachmann to play the victim card more effectively. Remember, we're trying to keep her from getting the nomination, so let's make sure we take effective action.

I don't think that was Photoshopped.

686 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:29:18am

re: #685 makeitstop

I don't think that was Photoshopped.

It's the corndog photo, repurposed.

687 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:31:16am

re: #685 makeitstop

It was Photoshopped. In the original photo, she was eating a corndog, on Mars

Image: 6045994357_b0b9df8a79_z.jpg

It's harmless fun. Though I'd hate for it to backlash. She's the last person I'd want to see made into a "victim."

688 makeitstop  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:31:24am

re: #686 wrenchwench

It's the corndog photo, repurposed.

Ah. I stand corrected. Thanks.

689 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:31:32am

re: #671 wrenchwench

Is it my imagination, or do they pronounce it "Shorn"?

No, they do. It's what the accent does to the name--but it's intentional.

690 Winny Spencer  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:33:53am

According to Pam, Rick Perry is yet another "stealth jihad candidate". Yikes.

691 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:36:56am

re: #690 Winny Spencer

According to Pam, Rick Perry is yet another "stealth jihad candidate". Yikes.

What gave him away?

692 makeitstop  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:37:30am

re: #690 Winny Spencer

According to Pam, Rick Perry is yet another "stealth jihad candidate". Yikes.

Wow. That purity test just keeps getting more and more exclusive, doesn't it?

693 garhighway  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:38:55am

re: #691 SanFranciscoZionist

What gave him away?

He breathes air.

694 Lidane  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:41:34am

re: #690 Winny Spencer

According to Pam, anyone who doesn't want to kill all Muslims is a "stealth jihad candidate".

FTFY

695 Winny Spencer  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:42:18am

re: #691 SanFranciscoZionist

What gave him away?

Perry's Problematic Pals

696 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:46:17am

re: #695 Winny Spencer

Perry's Problematic Pals

Ah. Grover Norquist and the Aga Khan.

697 Lidane  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:46:41am

re: #695 Winny Spencer

Perry's Problematic Pals

Dear Pam,

Grover Norquist is problematic because of his lousy economic ideas and no-taxes dogmatism. You don't need to make up shit about him being a stealth jihadist because his wife offends you by being a Muslim.

Also, you're a delusional, racist freak. Just thought I'd let you know.

No love,
Me

698 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:54:25am

re: #696 SanFranciscoZionist

Ah. Grover Norquist and the Aga Khan.

The Norquist situation is fascinating, in that not only Pam, but Daniel Pipes, and various other such folks, seem sure he must have converted, because it's WRITTEN that a Muslim woman can't marry a non-Muslim, in the only version of Islam they consider to exist.

Same for Anthony Weiner.

The fact that it happens--that in real life, Muslim women sometimes marry non-Muslim men, and the men don't convert--heck, that happens all the TIME--is unthinkable to them. It's easier to believe that someone secretly converts to Islam than it is for them to believe that sometimes people interpret religion differently, or ignore it.

699 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:55:04am

re: #696 SanFranciscoZionist

Ah. Grover Norquist and the Aga Khan.

The Aga Khan. Previously best known for making speeches about human rights, and his father having married Rita Hayworth.

700 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:56:07am

re: #699 SanFranciscoZionist

The Aga Khan. Previously best known for making speeches about human rights, and his father having married Rita Hayworth.

Or was that his brother? SOMEONE from that family married Rita Hayworth.


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