Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer Publish Enemies List at Andrew Breitbart's Website

Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer Publish Enemies List at Andrew Breitbart’s Website

Geller and Spencer list their ‘threats to freedom’

WingnutsAugust 2011 • Views: 33,040

When anti-Muslim demagogues Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller want to make sure their explicit enemies list gets seen by as many borderline crazy right wingers as possible, they turn to Andrew Breitbart’s “Big Government” website: The AFDI Threats to Freedom Index - Big Government.

It’s a list of almost every well-known Muslim organization in the United States, plus the Southern Poverty Law Center and George Soros, complete with scary Muslim terrorist shadow picture:

Following the atrocities committed in Norway by one of their devout followers, Spencer and Geller have clearly not spent even one second re-examining what they’re doing. Instead, they’re redoubling the bigotry and demonization of Muslims. And they surely realize that there are more than a few people among their audience who frequently express the desire to deport and/or kill Muslims en masse; just take a look through the comments at Pamela Geller’s site any time and you’ll see them fantasizing about murder, quite openly.

Drawing up lists of enemies is a classic fascist tactic, of course; maybe Spencer and Geller are emulating their European fascist allies.

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:41:12pm

If you are publishing Enemies List, the monologue ending in "rue the day" is not far behind, probably accompanied by an organ solo.

Decatur Deb Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:42:05pm

LGF didn't make the cut. Maybe there's a Double Secret Enemies List.

Kragar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:42:16pm

And they would certainly not encourage anyone to commit violence against those on the list *nudge nudge wink wink*

makeitstop Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:44:11pm

I think she just Googled 'Muslim organizations' and made the list from there.

And adding SPLC at the bottom was a nice touch.
//

Neutral President Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:44:20pm

I see they didn't forget to include The Dark Lord Soros™.

I was expecting to see Charles listed there. I figure you are the Saruman analogue to Soros as Sauron.

Gus Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:44:22pm

Well damn. This is like something from a Latin American dictatorship. Here's a couple they listed:

George Soros: The only individual to make the “Threats to Freedom” list, Soros is, according to Discover the Networks, “one of the most powerful men on earth,” with personal assets of an estimated $13 billion. Soros’ Open Society Institute (OSI) donates millions of dollars to far-Left, pro-Sharia, anti-freedom groups.

Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) defames and attempts to marginalize conservative, pro-freedom organizations as “hate groups.” It uses its listing of “hate groups” to try to stigmatize, and ultimately criminalize, love of country and patriotism. It works to systematically destroy voices that are speaking out against oppression and persecution.

Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:45:07pm

Heh, They included the New Black Panthers which has around a dozen members.

Decatur Deb Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:45:38pm

re: #4 makeitstop

I think she just Googled 'Muslim organizations' and made the list from there.

And adding SPLC at the bottom was a nice touch.
//

'SPLC ain't afraid of no Klans.' I doubt PG worries them much.

Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:47:41pm

Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding: Saudi-funded center at Georgetown University spreading disinformation about Islam and jihad. It underwrites material by the deceptive pro-Sharia academic John Esposito, such as the 2011 book Islamophobia: The Challenge of Pluralism in the 21st Century, a book-length barrage of Muslim victimhood propaganda, designed to deflect attention away from Islamic jihad activity and Islamic supremacism.

Heh, he's part owner of Fox News.

Kragar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:48:06pm

The comments are about as expected as well.

Decatur Deb Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:48:21pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Heh, They included the New Black Panthers which has around a dozen members.

So they do agree with SPLC's HateWatch:

[Link: www.splcenter.org...]

zora Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:48:38pm

re: #4 makeitstop

and george soros.

Randall Gross Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:50:39pm

KT see my comment re: Spengler bottom last thread, have to run.

Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:51:03pm

re: #13 Thanos

KT see my comment re: Spengler bottom last thread, have to run.

ok, checking now.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:52:28pm

re: #4 makeitstop

I think she just Googled 'Muslim organizations' and made the list from there.

And adding SPLC at the bottom was a nice touch.
//

I can't stand half the orgs on that list, and I still think she's being melodramatic.

Also, putting the SPLC on pretty much blows any rational cover.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:52:51pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Heh, They included the New Black Panthers which has around a dozen members.

What the hell, they can use the mention.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:53:33pm

re: #8 Decatur Deb

'SPLC ain't afraid of no Klans.' I doubt PG worries them much.

This is revenge because they identified her group as a hate org. Which is is.

The huffing from the freaks I know who think she's a freedom fighter was serious and huffy.

wrenchwench Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:55:12pm

The page tells me what to say.

Do not drink idiotic!

jaunte Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:58:08pm

re: #17 SanFranciscoZionist

She's still asking for contributions through Paypal. I thought their terms of service forbade hate orgs.

Please donate generously here. 501C# status pending
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

JeffM70 Tue, Aug 16, 2011 12:59:20pm

And nowhere does Geller include a disclaimer that she is not calling for violence against anyone on the list. Given recent events, one would have to believe that was intentional.

Summer Seale Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:00:05pm

I highly suggest that Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer look up The Night of the Long Knives.

But, then again, they probably already have and see it as a model to emulate and not a thing of shame....

So yes, I'll come right out and say it: they're Nazis.

watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:00:20pm

heh

Neutral President Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:03:06pm

re: #17 SanFranciscoZionist

This is revenge because they identified her group as a hate org. Which is is.

The huffing from the freaks I know who think she's a freedom fighter was serious and huffy.

If crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fires.... then what do freedom fighters fight?

jaunte Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:04:46pm

re: #18 wrenchwench

The page tells me what to say.

Now it says:

Stone the unfaithful monkey

Targetpractice Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:04:56pm

re: #20 JeffM70

And nowhere does Geller include a disclaimer that she is not calling for violence against anyone on the list. Given recent events, one would have to believe that was intentional.

It is, because as soon as something happens, then the excuse-making will begin. "We didn't intend to incite violence!," "We never intended any of those on this list to be hurt!," and the classic "This was the work of a lone wolf/mentally unstable individual, so how can you claim we're to blame?!"

wrenchwench Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:06:06pm

re: #24 jaunte

Now it says:

What if it got out that we are ruled by Rotating Titles?

mikec6666 Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:12:36pm

could there be a group that is less dangerous than the southern poverty law center? what are they going to do, serve you to death?

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:13:33pm

re: #27 mikec6666

could there be a group that is less dangerous than the southern poverty law center? what are they going to do, serve you to death?

Well, they did destroy the Klan.

Many of us in the reality-based community consider that to be a good thing.

Gus Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:13:53pm

I just had to Tweet this:

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bratwurst Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:15:06pm

re: #27 mikec6666

could there be a group that is less dangerous than the southern poverty law center? what are they going to do, serve you to death?

I think there are some defunct white nationalist groups out there who regard SPLC as being pretty fucking dangerous.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:15:09pm

re: #29 Gus 802

Pam, Bob, meet petard.

lawhawk Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:15:21pm

I'm waiting for what could be an inevitable suit from the SPLC against these nutters for correctly noting that Geller and Spencer are engaging in nothing more than hate speech.

SPLC does far more than go after right-wing groups and characterize them as hate groups. It cuts across all socio-political groups and left/right leaning groups get scrutiny.

SPLC correctly identifies them as hate groups, and in return Geller and Spencer put them on what's essentially an enemies list. Well, there's proof that Geller and Spencer don't quite get the irony of the endeavor that they're doing.

mikec6666 Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:15:29pm

re: #28 SanFranciscoZionist

No doubt, they're brave -- I was trying to be sarcastic (or is it ironic?). I can never keep them straight.

Lidane Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:20:12pm

Oddly enough, the rotating title for me as I type this is:

History doesn't repeat itself. It stutters.

Fitting, given this so-called "Enemies List" that Geller and Spencer just shat out all over the intertubes.

Big Steve Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:22:21pm

An enemies list huh......how Nixonian.......can getting political operatives to bug their headquarters be far behind.

Gus Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:23:28pm

Let's go to the comments!

SunshineConnie 119p · 23 hours ago
UNIONS
CPUSA
CODE PINK
BARACK & MICHELLE OBAMA
SAG
THE VOCAL MINORITY OF HOLLYWEIRD
ARIANNA HUFFINGTON
NOW
JOURNOLISTERS
MAJORITY OF MSM
EDUCATOR/INDOCTRINATOR
ACTIVIST JUDGES WHO WANT TO CREATE LAW vs. ENFORCE LAW
ACLU
Most important of all GENERATIONAL WELFARE ABUSERS

Gus Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:24:07pm

re: #36 Gus 802

Let's go to the comments!

Looking4Sanity 132p · 23 hours ago
I remember a time...not so long ago...when the Federal Bureau of Investigation was providing us with this service! Under Eric Holder's leadership (and by direct extension, Obama's "leadership") the FBI seems more interested in protecting guilty blacks from prosecution than protecting the Constitution of the United States.

Thank you citizen Geller, for providing a service once shouldered by the FBI. Keep the news out in front of us so we all know who the Commie traitors in our midst are!

Amory Blaine Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:24:25pm

re: #35 Big Steve

An enemies list huh...how Nixonian...can getting political operatives to bug their headquarters be far behind.

O'Keefe tried bugging Mary Landrieu's office. Wouldn't surprise me if they have done others and are getting away with it.

Amory Blaine Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:26:02pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Heh, They included the New Black Panthers which has around a dozen members.

The RWM is probably responsible for half their membership with all the attention they give them.

Lidane Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:26:21pm

re: #37 Gus 802

I didn't know it was the FBI's job to look for "commie traitors".

You really do learn something new every day.

Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:28:55pm

Afternoon all!

Has Perry printed his list of "nearly treasonable" offenses yet?

so far, it seems to be:

1-being Bernake
2-printing money
3- . . .

How is everyone?

Lidane Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:29:56pm

re: #39 Amory Blaine

The RWM is probably responsible for half their membership with all the attention they give them.

That goes double for Code Pink.

Randall Gross Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:30:51pm

The only good thing about Spencer/Geller & crew: they've become so recursive in dialogue, incestuous in ideology, and self referential in crazed logic that the general public reads them and goes "huh? -- Are these people from another planet?"

Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:31:14pm

How much money do Pamela and Spencer pull-in from all this hate?

zora Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:31:32pm

re: #41 ggt

Afternoon all!

Has Perry printed his list of "nearly treasonable" offenses yet?

so far, it seems to be:

1-being Bernake
2-printing money
3- . . .

How is everyone?

yes, we need a full "light treason" list.

muddydog Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:32:41pm

Code Pink!!!...Scary bad bad scary!!!.

Southern Poveryty Law Center...No shit...they keep track of hate groups like Atlas Shrugged where Im sure it lands quite often on it's hate group list.

Gus Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:32:42pm

They also list Muslim Public Affairs Council.

From October 2001:

Muslim Public Affairs Council. Added 10/10/01. The Muslim Public Affairs Council and the Islamic Center of Southern California issued a statement on October 7 "wholeheartedly" supporting President Bush in "the attempt to defeat terrorism." MPAC prays for the "safety of our young men and women in Afghanistan who are fighting for a world free of terrorism," and also pray "for the safety of innocent civilians in the region." MPAC applauds President Bush for extending humanitarian aid to Afghani civilians and for his statement that the war is against terrorism, not Islam, Muslims, or the Afghani people. MPAC urges the Bush administration to pay attention to "the legitimate sentiments" of Muslims around the world, "particularly their quest for peace, justice, dignity and an even-handed US policy n the region." Otherwise, MPAC warns, "extremists will exploit this sentiment in order to isolate America."

From May: MPAC GREETS BIN LADEN'S DEATH WITH SENSE OF RELIEF - Muslim Public Affairs Council

The Muslim Public Affairs Council tonight greeted the news of the death of Osama bin Laden with an immense sense of relief. This is a time when our country must stand together, and turn the page on a decade of terror led by bin Laden and Al-Qaeda. MPAC also commends the service of President Obama and his national security team, who have made bringing bin Laden to justice a top priority.

More bullshit libel from Geller, Spencer helped along with that psycho David Horowitz and Discover the Networks.

Kragar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:32:51pm

re: #44 ggt

How much money do Pamela and Spencer pull-in from all this hate?

A dime is too much.

Lidane Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:33:04pm

re: #44 ggt

How much money do Pamela and Spencer pull-in from all this hate?

Enough to keep Pam soaked in vodka and gin.

Gus Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:34:06pm

re: #47 Gus 802

They also list Muslim Public Affairs Council.

From October 2001:

From May: MPAC GREETS BIN LADEN'S DEATH WITH SENSE OF RELIEF - Muslim Public Affairs Council

More bullshit libel from Geller, Spencer helped along with that psycho David Horowitz and Discover the Networks.

And:

Actions against terrorism

MPAC started "The National Grassroots Campaign to Fight Terrorism" by providing guidelines to American Muslim community leaders to ensure that Mosques are not used by potential terrorists and to monitor activities inside Mosques. This program is instituted in cooperation with Mosques across this great country to regulate what kind of groups may assemble in a Mosque and inform the United States Department of Homeland Security if any suspicious activity takes place.

Large publications have taken a note of MPAC's activities to prevent terrorism on American soil. The Wall Street Journal praised American Muslims for being "part of the solution".[6] The Philadelphia Inquirer said to "credit Muslims who speak out" against terrorism.

Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:34:55pm

Secret Service finally get's at least one of their wet dreams to come true.

Sad that such things are necessary, and IMHO more than necessary for our current POTUS.

Wonder Why?

(no finger pointing, just wondering . . . . NOT)

Randall Gross Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:35:25pm

re: #44 ggt

It's probably pretty hefty. They have funds coming from foreign lobbies and nationalist stink tanks, the heritage/horowitz stuff, they have ads, they have book sales, they have lecture fees. When they go to Europe that's probably paid by people like that Serbian group that loves Spencer and the nationalist parties subgroups. Note that this is all just my conjecture, I've not really spent any time researching it at all.

HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:36:28pm

I like how they whine that the SPLC discriminates against "conservative, pro freedom" organizations while totally ignoring that the SPLC has gone after extremists of all kinds. But hey we're being persecuted oh noes. Screw Geller and Spencer both.

Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:36:34pm

re: #52 Thanos

It's probably pretty hefty. They have funds coming from foreign lobbies and nationalist stink tanks, the heritage/horowitz stuff, they have ads, they have book sales, they have lecture fees. When they go to Europe that's probably paid by people like that Serbian group that loves Spencer and the nationalist parties subgroups. Note that this is all just my conjecture, I've not really spent any time researching it at all.

I think we need Venn Diagrams linking it all . . . .

Gus Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:36:45pm

re: #50 Gus 802

And:

Actions against terrorism

Salam Al Marayati
Posted: July 31, 2009 02:11 PM

As Muslim Americans, when we take the oath of allegiance to America witnessed by our families and our friends (and now DHS), we must remain true to our word. It is an Islamic obligation to defend what we are taking an oath to, namely the constitution of the United States of America.

That does not equate with supporting the policies of the government. Patriotism is not waving the flag or using it to intimidate others; patriotism is love of country, and when we as Muslim Americans see a danger to our country, such as terrorism or xenophobia, or policies that hurt the image and interests of the United States, it is our American and Islamic responsibility to change toward the betterment of America.

Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:37:11pm

re: #53 HappyWarrior

I like how they whine that the SPLC discriminates against "conservative, pro freedom" organizations while totally ignoring that the SPLC has gone after extremists of all kinds. But hey we're being persecuted oh noes. Screw Geller and Spencer both.

because the KKK was really a left-wing organization . . . .

Randall Gross Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:37:39pm

re: #47 Gus 802

They also list Muslim Public Affairs Council.

From October 2001:

From May: MPAC GREETS BIN LADEN'S DEATH WITH SENSE OF RELIEF - Muslim Public Affairs Council

More bullshit libel from Geller, Spencer helped along with that psycho David Horowitz and Discover the Networks.

Someone really needs to dig in and do a "Discover the Networks" on Horowitz, Heritage, Weyrich, etc. etc. Delving deep into the funding of that kookosphere would really be illuminating.

wrenchwench Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:37:51pm

Pam conveniently provides a link to the Amazon page for her as-yet-nonexistent book. I had missed a few tags that I agree with (such as "bigot". I already had "bigotry" checked, but why not both?) Also, near the bottom of that page are links to some of Spencer's books. Hardly any checks on his tags.

HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:37:57pm

re: #56 ggt

because the KKK was really a left-wing organization . . .

/

Yep same thing with the American Nazi Party. Leftists the whole lot of them!

Lidane Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:38:37pm

re: #56 ggt

because the KKK was really a left-wing organization . . .

/

Well, duh. So were the Nazis.

They were libruls, don'tcha know.

Gus Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:39:07pm

re: #60 Lidane

Well, duh. So were the Nazis.

They were libruls, don'tcha know.

Jonah Goldberg has spoken!

Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:39:17pm

re: #45 zora

yes, we need a full "light treason" list.

How does he feel about Catholics?

The Irish?

People with auto-immune diseases?

Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:40:42pm

What do the Latino groups in Texas think of Perry?

I don't remember seeing anything.

makeitstop Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:40:46pm

re: #35 Big Steve

An enemies list huh...how Nixonian...can getting political operatives to bug their headquarters be far behind.

Why do you think it's on Breitbart's web site? He's got all those connections.
/half

HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:41:00pm

re: #61 Gus 802

Jonah Goldberg has spoken!

//

Yep the smiley face with the Hitler mustache has spoken.

King of the Douche, now you may bow Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:41:02pm

re: #36 Gus 802

Let's go to the comments!

I looked for comments from non-nutballs. It was easy. Look for all the negative numbered comments.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:41:43pm

re: #53 HappyWarrior

Just an hour ago or so I found their article on that dumb bigot McKinney - [Link: www.splcenter.org...] - very informative. SPLC do seem even-handed.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:42:09pm

re: #65 HappyWarrior

Yep the smiley face with the Hitler mustache has spoken.

Prussian Blue should totally sue for plagiarism //

King of the Douche, now you may bow Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:42:33pm

re: #67 Sergey Romanov

ALL HAIL BUG EYES!!!
/

wrenchwench Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:43:30pm

This entry from Geller's list is so over-the-top, it could rotate:

Cordoba Initiative: Stealth jihad organization aligned with anti-Israel jihad organizations and dedicated to building the triumphal Islamic supremacist mosque at Ground Zero.

Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:43:30pm

re: #51 ggt

Secret Service finally get's at least one of their wet dreams to come true.

Sad that such things are necessary, and IMHO more than necessary for our current POTUS.

Wonder Why?

(no finger pointing, just wondering . . . NOT)

Woah:

Doors, for example, are 5 inches thick. The windows are totally bulletproof. It has its own supply of oxygen, tires that can't be punctured with a bullet."

The drivers require a specialized license from the DMV to operate a bus, along with some other training that's unique to the Secret Service.

"Agents will be taught to back up at very high rates of speed using just the mirrors on either side," says Kessler. "It really takes guts to do that."

Wonder how it will handle in the mountains?

Sounds very cool, actually.

HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:44:00pm

re: #67 Sergey Romanov

Just an hour ago or so I found their article on that dumb bigot McKinney - [Link: www.splcenter.org...] - very informative. SPLC do seem even-handed.

They are, yeah which is a huge reason why I respect them lots. They were writing critically of far left groups before the right wing had even heard of them.

Atlas Fails Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:44:50pm

"Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) defames and attempts to marginalize conservative, pro-freedom organizations as 'hate groups.' It uses its listing of 'hate groups' to try to stigmatize, and ultimately criminalize, love of country and patriotism. It works to systematically destroy voices that are speaking out against oppression and persecution."

Stop violating my First Amendment rights by criticizing me!!11!!!11ty

jaunte Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:45:14pm

re: #63 ggt

What do the Latino groups in Texas think of Perry?

I don't remember seeing anything.

Rick Perry's gran problema Latino

Rick Perry is the leader of Texas Republicans' anti-Latino agenda. The 2011 Republican Legislature's passage of Voter ID, gratuitous bans on alleged sanctuary cities and deep cuts to public education has repulsed Latinos in Texas and across the nation.
Perry has alienated Latinos in a state where they make up 48% of the population. That's bad news for any potential candidate, especially one approaching the 2012 election when the Hispanic vote is expected to jump 26%.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:45:55pm

re: #73 Atlas Fails

"Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) defames and attempts to marginalize conservative, pro-freedom organizations as 'hate groups.' It uses its listing of 'hate groups' to try to stigmatize, and ultimately criminalize, love of country and patriotism. It works to systematically destroy voices that are speaking out against oppression and persecution."

Second time for the day: last refuge of a scoundrel.

Idle Drifter Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:46:05pm

re: #51 ggt

Secret Service finally get's at least one of their wet dreams to come true.

Sad that such things are necessary, and IMHO more than necessary for our current POTUS.

Wonder Why?

(no finger pointing, just wondering . . . NOT)

I like Megabeast as a name for the President's Bus.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:47:04pm

re: #73 Atlas Fails

"Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) defames and attempts to marginalize conservative, pro-freedom organizations as 'hate groups.' It uses its listing of 'hate groups' to try to stigmatize, and ultimately criminalize, love of country

Also, Pam, your musical tastes aren't the issue.

///

albusteve Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:48:36pm

re: #76 Idle Drifter

I like Megabeast as a name for the President's Bus.

MegaWaste is an apt name

HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:49:29pm

Good article btw Sergey, not a fan of McKinney and not surprised that the SPLC is critical of her too.

Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:50:07pm

re: #79 HappyWarrior

Good article btw Sergey, not a fan of McKinney and not surprised that the SPLC is critical of her too.

McKinney is McWhacko™

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:50:10pm

re: #79 HappyWarrior

Good article btw Sergey, not a fan of McKinney and not surprised that the SPLC is critical of her too.

She is such a loon, oy.

Lidane Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:50:43pm

re: #78 albusteve

And I'm sure you'd feel the same way if the POTUS was a Republican, right?

HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:50:47pm

re: #81 Sergey Romanov

She is such a loon, oy.

I know. She really gives credence to my circular spectrum belief.

Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:51:21pm

re: #83 HappyWarrior

I know. She really gives credence to my circular ~~spectrum~~ rectum belief.

???

Idle Drifter Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:52:30pm

re: #78 albusteve

MegaWaste is an apt name

It was more expensive not to build these buses and rent local buses that had to be retro fitted with armor and communications. Plus these buses remain under SS control. I'd prefer the leader of the free world be protected with buses built in country. You know putting money back into the economy.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:52:35pm

re: #83 HappyWarrior

I know. She really gives credence to my circular spectrum belief.

And the photo of her with that fn Renouf (a good friend of Irving) seals the deal ;)

wrenchwench Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:53:06pm

re: #85 Idle Drifter

It was more expensive not to build these buses and rent local buses that had to be retro fitted with armor and communications. Plus these buses remain under SS control. I'd prefer the leader of the free world be protected with buses built in country. You know putting money back into the economy.

Cheaper than flying, too.

Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:53:34pm

We have to keep Obama alive, whatever the cost.

albusteve Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:53:44pm

re: #82 Lidane

And I'm sure you'd feel the same way if the POTUS was a Republican, right?

of course...what a silly question
parties mean almost nothing to me...just large groups of like minded idiots

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:54:15pm

re: #88 ggt

We have to keep Obama alive, whatever the cost.

uh, wot?

Idle Drifter Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:55:42pm

re: #90 Sergey Romanov

uh, wot?

See post #51 by ggt

zora Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:55:49pm

re: #90 Sergey Romanov

he's referencing the cost of obama's bus and all of the security add-ons.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:56:23pm

re: #91 Idle Drifter

re: #92 zora

Thanks!

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:56:33pm

re: #88 ggt

Yes.

wrenchwench Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:56:50pm

re: #92 zora

She's referencing the cost of obama's bus and all of the security add-ons.

FTFY.

Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:57:01pm

re: #90 Sergey Romanov

uh, wot?

The cost of the bus is necessary. If it had cost 5 times as much, it would have been necessary.

I can't image what would happen in this country if this POTUS, in particular, were killed or even injured by an assassin.

Any POTUS, in reality.

His daughters deserve at least that much.

HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:57:06pm

re: #86 Sergey Romanov

And the photo of her with that fn Renouf (a good friend of Irving) seals the deal ;)

Yeah I am familiar with Irving. It's a good thing McKinney is out of Congress.

Gus Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:57:43pm

How did we miss this! LOL

Monday, August 15, 2011
Pamela Geller, American Thinker: Rick Perry, The Stealth JIhad Candidate

Any (and every) candidate who hopes to win the Republican nomination and, ultimately, the presidency must understand the threat of the stealth jihad. It's not rocket science -- and it is apparent to every living breathing American who self-informs. Perry is a useful idiot in this -- and his failings are too monumental and damaging to be ignored...

Why there's more!

Sounds good. But Perry has been sucked into the propaganda vortex, and is now wielding his enormous power to influence changes in the schoolrooms and in the curricula to reflect a sharia compliant version of Islam. He is a friend of the Aga Khan, the multimillionaire head of the Ismailis, a Shi'ite sect of Islam that today proclaims its nonviolence but in ages past was the sect that gave rise to the Assassins. Perry has concluded at least two cooperation agreements between the state of Texas and the Ismailis, including a comprehensive program to feed children in Texas public schools and taqiyya nonsense about how Islam is a religion of peace. Another agreement stipulates that Texas officials will work with the Ismailis in the "fields of education, health sciences, natural disaster preparedness and recovery, culture and the environment." Perry let on that this was all about whitewashing Islam's bloody historical and modern-day record: "traditional Western education speaks little of the influence of Muslim scientists, scholars, throughout history, and for that matter the cultural treasures that stand today in testament to their wisdom."

Rick Perry! Stealth Jihadist!

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:57:47pm

re: #96 ggt

I missed the earlier ref to the bus, sorry. ((ggt)) :)

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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:58:52pm

Fark Headline: Rick Santorum: "we have less freedom today than in 1776". No comment from Blacks, Women or Catholics
lol

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albusteve Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:59:22pm

re: #85 Idle Drifter

It was more expensive not to build these buses and rent local buses that had to be retro fitted with armor and communications. Plus these buses remain under SS control. I'd prefer the leader of the free world be protected with buses built in country. You know putting money back into the economy.

I prefer the leader of the free world stay in DC and attempt governing....but the grand spectacle has begun...the worst example of American culture....national elections...
I know you guys are deep into this stuff and that's fine...I find it an embarrassment, every political liar, thief, whore and pimp are exposed, eating each other for the big prize...and then what?...BO?, Bachmann? Perry?....good god, what a waste

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:59:26pm

re: #98 Gus 802

OMFIPU on a FSM! Gus, you're a treasure ;)

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Obdicut Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:59:29pm

re: #100 Killgore Trout

And he is Catholic.

Oy.

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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:59:41pm

re: #99 Sergey Romanov

I missed the earlier ref to the bus, sorry. ((ggt)) :)

It's all good.

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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 16, 2011 1:59:48pm

re: #100 Killgore Trout

Fark Headline: Rick Santorum: "we have less freedom today than in 1776". No comment from Blacks, Women or Catholics
lol

Bull-shit.

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zora Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:00:09pm

"light treason" includes supporting mccain over bush in 2000, also.

Lt. Gov. Rick Perry, casting his Republican primary ballot early Monday, plugged George W. Bush’s presidential candidacy and urged Texans to join him in voting for the Texas governor.

“Wherever your political philosophy might be, if you’re not for George Bush being the next president of the United States, I consider that to be almost treasonous if you’re a Texan,” Perry said.

this guy is so much like palin and bachmann, it's scary. somehow this shit is politically savvy when he does it. maybe palin and bachmann need more swagger.

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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:00:15pm

re: #98 Gus 802

How did we miss this! LOL

Monday, August 15, 2011
Pamela Geller, American Thinker: Rick Perry, The Stealth JIhad Candidate

Why there's more!

Rick Perry! Stealth Jihadist!

Heh, I remember that now that you mention it but since pretty much everybody is a stealth jihadist it all become sort of a blur.

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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:01:23pm

So, who's not part of Shariah?

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wrenchwench Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:01:47pm

re: #98 Gus 802

From the end of that:

I suspect Palin will get into the race at last not at once. And by the time she does, we will be panting for her. Oh, yes.

I didn't realize Pam was so hot for Palin.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:01:48pm

re: #108 HappyWarrior

So, who's not part of Shariah?

Not Jesus. He's a Muslim prophet. /

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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:02:21pm

re: #106 zora

"light treason" includes supporting mccain over bush in 2000, also.

this guy is so much like palin and bachmann, it's scary. somehow this shit is politically savvy when he does it. maybe palin and bachmann need more swagger.

He certainly throws that word around doesn't he?

1-being Bernake
2-printing money
3-mccain over bush
4-

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Lidane Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:02:29pm

re: #98 Gus 802

How did we miss this! LOL

Monday, August 15, 2011
Pamela Geller, American Thinker: Rick Perry, The Stealth JIhad Candidate

I love how she pushes the whole meme about Grover Norquist being a stealth jihadist because his wife is Muslim. There are plenty of other reasons to bag on Norquist without making shit up because of who he's married to.

Also, Pam is now wanting Caribou Barbie in the race? LOL forever.

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jaunte Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:02:30pm

re: #98 Gus 802

"sucked into the propaganda vortex"

She would know.

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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:02:32pm

re: #110 Sergey Romanov

Not Jesus. He's a Muslim prophet. /

Damned sekrit Muslim Christian founders.

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Idle Drifter Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:04:15pm

re: #96 ggt

The cost of the bus is necessary. If it had cost 5 times as much, it would have been necessary.

I can't image what would happen in this country if this POTUS, in particular, were killed or even injured by an assassin.

Any POTUS, in reality.

His daughters deserve at least that much.

Loosing the President and/or part of his staff to an assassination attempt would put every police force, intelligence agency, and the military on full alert and certain forces would mobilize. People would be on edge. Depending on how big the attack was people may even be out for blood. A major shit storm if it's allowed to go unchecked.

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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:04:22pm

re: #103 Obdicut

And he is Catholic.

Oy.

Yep, makes you think he's forgotten or oblivious to how people were towards Catholics in this country's early history.

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wrenchwench Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:04:23pm

re: #106 zora

"light treason" includes supporting mccain over bush in 2000, also.

this guy is so much like palin and bachmann, it's scary. somehow this shit is politically savvy when he does it. maybe palin and bachmann need more ~~swagger~~ testosterone.

I was gonna type something else, but this is a family blog.

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Decatur Deb Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:04:44pm

re: #101 albusteve

I prefer the leader of the free world stay in DC and attempt governing...but the grand spectacle has begun...the worst example of American culture...national elections...
I know you guys are deep into this stuff and that's fine...I find it an embarrassment, every political liar, thief, whore and pimp are exposed, eating each other for the big prize...and then what?...BO?, Bachmann? Perry?...good god, what a waste

I'd be happy to see it reduced to a quarter of its duration and a 100th of its costs. Find a way.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:05:23pm

re: #117 wrenchwench

I was gonna type something else, but this is a family blog.

/

After that corndog photo you might as well type anything. /

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Gus Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:05:44pm

BRB

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Idle Drifter Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:05:52pm

re: #98 Gus 802

OK, my mind is blown.

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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:06:32pm

re: #115 Idle Drifter

Loosing the President and/or part of his staff to an assassination attempt would put every police force, intelligence agency, and the military on full alert and certain forces would mobilize. People would be on edge. Depending on how big the attack was people may even be out for blood. A major shit storm if it's allowed to go unchecked.

We would see the National Guard deployed. If they were still a cohesive force.

I think it would end-up more like Civil War than mere local riots.

Conservatives, of course, wouldn't understand what was happening and start shooting on sight.

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albusteve Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:07:11pm

re: #118 Decatur Deb

I'd be happy to see it reduced to a quarter of its duration and a 100th of its costs. Find a way.

there is no way...it's a multi billion dollar scam where the mob makes the rules...it's a national disgrace, pure AmIdol

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Idle Drifter Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:07:31pm

re: #101 albusteve

I prefer the leader of the free world stay in DC and attempt governing...but the grand spectacle has begun...the worst example of American culture...national elections...
I know you guys are deep into this stuff and that's fine...I find it an embarrassment, every political liar, thief, whore and pimp are exposed, eating each other for the big prize...and then what?...BO?, Bachmann? Perry?...good god, what a waste

Staying in an Ivory Tower with no connection what so ever to the people is not healthy for any nation.

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Lidane Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:07:40pm

re: #106 zora

That's why I've been calling Perry nothing more than Sarah Palin with actual political skills. He's just as much of a sleazy, opportunistic grifter as she is, but he's better at it because he knows how to bullshit people.

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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:07:50pm

re: #123 albusteve

there is no way...it's a multi billion dollar scam where the mob makes the rules...it's a national disgrace, pure AmIdol

Politics is a National Pass-time.

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Obdicut Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:08:00pm

re: #116 HappyWarrior

Yep, makes you think he's forgotten or oblivious to how people were towards Catholics in this country's early history.

I do not get how Catholics or Mormons can be on board with the GOP at the moment, given how deeply the fundamentalist protestant sects are interwoven into it.

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Kragar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:08:21pm

Perry's prayer rally co-chair: There is no separation between church and state

It’s one thing to be in a church preaching all these messages, seeing people shout and whatever it is. But it’s another thing to command the attention of the nation, and then begin to tell these folks, ‘we vote too.’ We don’t just dance and sing, we vote. And some of what you’re doing has to be accountable to us, the people of God. There really is no separation of church and state. In God’s mind, the word of the Lord should impact everything that happens out there in the state. So time and time again we got folks who want us to say our place is just behind these four walls. But Jesus came not to take sides, but to take over.

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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:08:33pm

re: #125 Lidane

That's why I've been calling Perry nothing more than Sarah Palin with actual political skills. He's just as much of a sleazy, opportunistic grifter as she is, but he's better at it because he knows how to bullshit people.

He is actually a professional politician. She is a "celebrity™"

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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:08:38pm

re: #98 Gus 802

How did we miss this! LOL

Rick Perry! Stealth Jihadist!

This part:

UPDATE: Jews for Sarah covering it as well. I suspect Palin will get into the race at last not at once. And by the time she does, we will be panting for her. Oh, yes.

what is this I don't even

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:08:39pm

> He is a friend of the Aga Khan, the multimillionaire head of the Ismailis, a Shi'ite sect of Islam that today proclaims its nonviolence but in ages past was the sect that gave rise to the Assassins.

*facepalm*

This stretch puts a shame on Mr.Fantastic and Luffy combined.

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wrenchwench Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:09:05pm

re: #123 albusteve

there is no way...it's a multi billion dollar scam where the mob makes the rules...it's a national disgrace, pure AmIdol

No matter how many times you type that, I will always read it as meaning "without Midol".

Nothing personal.

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albusteve Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:09:25pm

re: #124 Idle Drifter

Staying in an Ivory Tower with no connection what so ever to the people is not healthy for any nation.

collecting votes has nothing to do with connecting to the people

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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:09:38pm

re: #128 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Perry's prayer rally co-chair: There is no separation between church and state

What about that "give unto G-d what is G-d's and give to Ceasar what is Ceasar's" line?

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Lidane Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:10:08pm

re: #134 ggt

What about that "give unto G-d what is G-d's and give to Ceasar what is Ceasar's" line?

Spoken by a filthy librul, clearly.

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Kragar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:10:23pm

re: #134 ggt

What about that "give unto G-d what is G-d's and give to Ceasar what is Ceasar's" line?

Liberal blaspheme!

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:11:23pm

re: #130 negativ

This part:

what is this I don't even

It's a blog. Jews for Sarah.

I don't know how many of them there are.

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solus Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:11:33pm

I don't comment much though I've been an LGF member since '03, but...

I also used to follow Jihad Watch until a few years ago, I never followed Geller because she has always been entirely crazy and nasty.

I did 'follow' Spencer because initially he was pseudo-academic about studying the worst kind of Islamists but now they have all blended into a brown skinned morasse of wickedness (supported by that crypto-Jihadi Barack H.U.S.S.E.I.N Obama!!!).

I still feel that the 'new Johnson' should be a bit more on the ball with Islamo-nazis but forgive him because he is doing such a good job of being on top of Christo- and Judeo- nazis that are ignored by most freethinking fellows of reasonable left and right stripes.

I feel alone in my mutual hatred of wankers of any religion and equally alone in my support of decent, moderate folk who declare themselves as followers of any religion. It would be nice if ALL religions vanished into the ether but 'till then I'm with the good guys who keep their faith to themselves and leave the rest of us alone... irregardless of their faith!

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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:11:33pm

re: #135 Lidane

re: #136 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Jesus was a librul?

I am soooo confused.

Is this what they call Bible Cherry-Picking?

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:12:12pm

re: #131 Sergey Romanov

> He is a friend of the Aga Khan, the multimillionaire head of the Ismailis, a Shi'ite sect of Islam that today proclaims its nonviolence but in ages past was the sect that gave rise to the Assassins.

*facepalm*

This stretch puts a shame on Mr.Fantastic and Luffy combined.

I get the distinct feeling she really really doesn't know much about the Aga Khan.

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Decatur Deb Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:12:16pm

re: #137 SanFranciscoZionist

It's a blog. Jews for Sarah.

I don't know how many of them there are.

A lot, if they're conflating Sarah Silverman.

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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:12:26pm

re: #138 solus

clicking your link says you have been a "member" since 2006.

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makeitstop Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:12:28pm

Perry's Derp of the Day:

This time round it was over farming issues. "If you're a tractor driver, if you drive your tractor across a public road, you're gonna have to have a commercial driver's license. Now how idiotic is that?" perry told a Des Moines crowd. "What were they thinking?"

As it turns out, Perry's claim is based off a false rumor that was circulating among farmers that the Department of Transportation recently put to rest. The Wall Street Journal reports that the confusion was over a federal review of a proposal by Illinois to require commercial licenses for farmers, but the DOT ultimately concluded -- as Perry did -- that "the common sense exemptions that allow farmers, their employers, and their families to accomplish their day-to-day work and transport their products to market" should not be tampered with by states.

There are neither enough faces nor enough palms.

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dragonfire1981 Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:12:46pm

Not sure how many wrestling fans are on here, but I thought it'd be funny to make a film in the style of an old black and white New World Order (nWo) entrance video but replacing the wrestlers with Obama, Ayers, Code Pink, Acorn, Soros, etc. and spreading the link around the right wing sites.

I doubt many of them would get the joke. :P

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:12:48pm

re: #134 ggt

What about that "give unto G-d what is G-d's and give to Ceasar what is Ceasar's" line?

If you assume that Caesar is the premier servant of God, all problems are resolved.

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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:13:08pm

re: #140 SanFranciscoZionist

I get the distinct feeling she really really doesn't know much about the Aga Khan.

Is that Chaka's relative?

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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:14:21pm

re: #145 SanFranciscoZionist

If you assume that Caesar is the premier servant of God, all problems are resolved.

//

Like Cat people being servants of the Cat Overlord?

Ah, I get it.

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Kragar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:14:36pm

re: #145 SanFranciscoZionist

If you assume that Caesar is the premier servant of God, all problems are resolved.

//

Thats why we need to return to the divine right of kings.
/

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albusteve Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:15:26pm

re: #148 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Thats why we need to return to the divine right of kings.
/

the next POTUS might have a halo....does that count?

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Kragar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:15:47pm

Rick Perry Condemns Federal Farm Regulation — That Doesn’t Exist

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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:15:55pm

re: #128 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Perry's prayer rally co-chair: There is no separation between church and state

The part of the quote you bolded sounds a lot like the concept of Sharia --doesn't it?

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wrenchwench Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:16:04pm

re: #138 solus

irregardless

I believe that isn't a word. Also, that you are not alone. Maybe you can't find one person who agrees with everything you think, but among a few, I think you're covered here.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:16:11pm

re: #134 ggt

What about that "give unto G-d what is G-d's and give to Ceasar what is Ceasar's" line?

We're talking about people wanting to drown govt in a bathtub, despite Romans 13:1: Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.

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makeitstop Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:16:15pm

re: #150 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Rick Perry Condemns Federal Farm Regulation — That Doesn’t Exist

See my #143.

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Kragar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:16:52pm

re: #151 ggt

The part of the quote you bolded sounds a lot like the concept of Sharia --doesn't it?

What? No. They say Jesus, not Mohammed. Its completely different.

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Kragar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:17:24pm

re: #154 makeitstop

See my #143.

No.

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albusteve Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:17:25pm

re: #153 Sergey Romanov

We're talking about people wanting to drown govt in a bathtub, despite Romans 13:1: Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.

fine...I'm revolting

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Idle Drifter Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:18:10pm

re: #149 albusteve

the next POTUS might have a halo...does that count?

I for one welcome our new overlords!

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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:18:17pm

re: #155 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What? No. They say Jesus, not Mohammed. Its completely different.

ok, if you say so.

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Kragar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:18:31pm

re: #157 albusteve

fine...I'm revolting

You said it, you stink on ice.
/Mel Brooks

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makeitstop Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:18:34pm

re: #156 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No.

I insist.

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Gus Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:18:42pm

Here ya' go!

BREAKING: Crazy Pamela Geller thinks Rick Perry is a 'Stealth Jihadist'

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freetoken Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:18:58pm

American equivalent of "Madrasah dīniyyah"?:

Summer school teaches Tea Party values to kids

DANVILLE, Ky. — Eighteen children filed into a small church one evening last week to learn about the principles of American liberty — including lessons on the failures of communism, the Constitution's biblical roots and gold's superiority to government currency.

During the five-day Vacation Liberty School, talks, skits and activities mixed conservative values and early American history, including stories about how colonists' prayers once helped turn back a threatening French fleet and the principle of equal opportunity, but not necessarily equal results.

It marked the latest of a growing number of Vacation Liberty Schools, volunteer-run programs for children mostly ages 10-15 that resemble a mix between vacation Bible school, U.S. history and Tea Party-style conservative ideas that supporters say aren't taught in public schools.

They're run by members of conservative commentator Glenn Beck's 9/12 Project, a group that holds to a series of nine principles, including "America is good," God is "the center of my life" and "My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government," which "cannot force me to be charitable."

[...]

I bring this story from last week up now because of Perry's intransigence on his inflammatory language.

They really are itching for a fight to "take back" their America.

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Decatur Deb Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:19:03pm

re: #157 albusteve

fine...I'm revolting

Nah--little rank around the edges, maybe.

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makeitstop Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:19:03pm

re: #157 albusteve

fine...I'm revolting

That's been said about quite a few of us.

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Kragar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:20:53pm

re: #161 makeitstop

I insist.

You're not the boss of me.

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makeitstop Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:22:21pm

re: #166 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You're not the boss of me.

Am, too.

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albusteve Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:22:26pm

Miller Time in the mountain west

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Kragar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:22:37pm

re: #163 freetoken

American equivalent of "Madrasah dīniyyah"?:

Summer school teaches Tea Party values to kids

I bring this story from last week up now because of Perry's intransigence on his inflammatory language.

They really are itching for a fight to "take back" their America.

Who does a camp for kids that's all about politics? Disturbing.

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albusteve Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:23:31pm

re: #167 makeitstop

Am, too.

girls, GiRLS!....take it outside

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Alexzander Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:24:11pm

re: #168 albusteve

Miller Time in the mountain west

I'm about ready for that too.

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Kragar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:24:28pm

re: #167 makeitstop

Am, too.

Image: 128939006298081189.jpg

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freetoken Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:25:22pm

re: #169 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Who does a camp for kids that's all about politics? Disturbing.

Your overlooking it... "politics" in this case == GOD

These are bible camps re-marketed as "American History".

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albusteve Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:25:29pm

re: #171 Alexzander

I'm about ready for that too.

maybe if get happy I can read some of this crap

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wrenchwench Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:25:53pm

re: #172 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Image: 128939006298081189.jpg

That's going to be tough to top.

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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:26:09pm

Remember the Star Trek episode where the inhabitants of a planet were at war with each other . . .one race was black on the left side and the other was black on the right side (reverse for white). That was their basis for racial hatred?

Help me out here, as to the name of the episode.

Anyway that is what the Christian Theocracy vs. Muslim Sharia reminds me of.

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Kragar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:26:21pm

re: #175 wrenchwench

That's going to be tough to top.

Thats what she said.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:26:21pm

re: #172 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Image: 128939006298081189.jpg

"I said STOP!"

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albusteve Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:26:22pm

re: #173 freetoken

Your overlooking it... "politics" in this case == GOD

These are bible camps re-marketed as "American History".

yes, that's what's disturbing....I don't think the kids are gonna learn to pitch a tent

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Gus Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:26:28pm

BIAB

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Kragar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:27:20pm

re: #179 albusteve

yes, that's what's disturbing...I don't think the kids are gonna learn to pitch a tent

That depends on what the counselor looks like.

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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:27:54pm

Those kids should be enjoying their summer by going to sports camps, camping, etc. Telling you the funnest times I had in my childhood summers were at Day Camps where I learned to play games and got to go to the pool for a hour a day. Did wonders for my swimming abilities which is one of the first things I'll teach my kids if I have kids how to do.

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albusteve Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:28:03pm

re: #181 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

That depends on what the counselor looks like.

heh...you're good today

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wrenchwench Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:28:34pm

re: #178 Sergey Romanov

"I said STOP!"

Is that a .gif or a short film?

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:29:11pm

re: #184 wrenchwench

Is that a .gif or a short film?

both :)

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albusteve Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:31:23pm

re: #182 HappyWarrior

Those kids should be enjoying their summer by going to sports camps, camping, etc. Telling you the funnest times I had in my childhood summers were at Day Camps where I learned to play games and got to go to the pool for a hour a day. Did wonders for my swimming abilities which is one of the first things I'll teach my kids if I have kids how to do.

every child, my own and all the cousins are able if not excellent swimmers at a very early age...I grew up around water, it's a forgone conclusion that swimming is an absolute must...you must be fearless and smart around water....my 1.5 year old grandson is a water rat already

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Kragar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:31:57pm

re: #178 Sergey Romanov

"I said STOP!"

No...

188

Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:32:23pm

Holy Ostrich, Batman!

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:33:14pm

re: #187 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No...

Your sorcery is strong...

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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:34:33pm

But what does it really mean?

Conspiracy Theorists jump right in . . .

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Varek Raith Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:35:41pm

re: #190 ggt

But what does it really mean?

Conspiracy Theorists jump right in . . .

Harper thinks he's king???
/

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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:36:49pm

Pluto has litter-mates?

I feel better now. Since Pluto's demotion, I was worried about his emotional health.

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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:37:42pm

re: #191 Varek Raith

Harper thinks he's king???
/

Could be. I don't really know. It doesn't seem to have much meaning in the UK.

Unless the Queen is planning a big move.

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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:38:43pm

re: #190 ggt

I thought they'd always been the Royal Canadian Kilted Yaksmen.

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Varek Raith Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:39:25pm

re: #194 negativ

I thought they'd always been the Royal Canadian Kilted Yaksmen.

Youtube Video

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Ugly John Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:39:56pm

re: #190 ggt

It's what the troops want. I've spoken to a number of former armed forces personnel and they were strongly opposed to the name and uniform changes. In particular the change from "Royal Canadian Navy" to "Canadian Forces - Maritime Command" was hugely demoralizing.

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Idle Drifter Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:40:33pm

re: #189 Sergey Romanov

Your sorcery is strong...

The force is strong with this one.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:42:06pm

re: #197 Idle Drifter

The force is strong with this one.

Hypnoboobs v. this. Who wins?

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Lidane Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:42:36pm

re: #176 ggt

Remember the Star Trek episode where the inhabitants of a planet were at war with each other . . .one race was black on the left side and the other was black on the right side (reverse for white). That was their basis for racial hatred?

Help me out here, as to the name of the episode.

Let That Be Your Last Battlefield

/Trek nerd

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Alexzander Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:43:36pm

biab. beer run.

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Idle Drifter Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:45:12pm

re: #198 Sergey Romanov

Hypnoboobs v. this. Who wins?

Dat Ass wins.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:46:16pm

re: #201 Idle Drifter

Dat Ass wins.

And there was much rejoicing.

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makeitstop Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:46:21pm

re: #198 Sergey Romanov

Hypnoboobs v. this. Who wins?

Tough choice.

204

Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:46:30pm

some animals are more equal than others ---

and it continues in 2011.

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Varek Raith Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:47:12pm

re: #198 Sergey Romanov

Hypnoboobs v. this. Who wins?

Boobies!
Image: 665.jpg

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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:49:06pm

re: #199 Lidane

Let That Be Your Last Battlefield

/Trek nerd

THANK YOU.

trekker myself. Just older and more memory-impaired.

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Lidane Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:49:32pm

re: #205 Varek Raith

Boobies!
Image: 665.jpg

Boobies!

;)

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Nemesis6 Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:49:41pm

That terrorist on the picture isn't gonna terrorize many people with his that gun. Note: It's missing the barrel. :)

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Varek Raith Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:50:26pm

re: #208 Nemesis6

That terrorist on the picture isn't gonna terrorize many people with his that gun. Note: It's missing the barrel. :)

Lol.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:50:36pm

re: #205 Varek Raith

Boobies!
Image: 665.jpg

Think again.

Image: 88349001ff09.gif

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Idle Drifter Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:51:23pm

Boobs or Butts? Why not both!

212

Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:52:04pm

I have to counteract some of the testosterone in here.

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Idle Drifter Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:53:51pm

re: #212 ggt

I have to counteract some of the testosterone in here.

That depends how many gay lizards are in the room. Which would be ironic for trying to lower testosterone.

214

makeitstop Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:53:59pm

re: #210 Sergey Romanov

Think again.

Image: 88349001ff09.gif

Oh, my.

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Kragar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:54:19pm

re: #198 Sergey Romanov

Hypnoboobs v. this. Who wins?

A challenger appears...

216

Obdicut Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:55:14pm

Um, it's getting a little locker-room in here.

Smells funny.

217

Varek Raith Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:55:32pm

Fox’s Bolling: ‘We’re Keeping An Eye On’ Chris Christie’s Muslim Judge Appointee

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Varek Raith Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:56:11pm

re: #216 Obdicut

Um, it's getting a little locker-room in here.

Smells funny.

Blame Sergey and Kragar.
/

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William of Orange Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:56:21pm

OH no, she didn't!!
(Via Crooks and Liars.)

Another classic Bachmann blunder extra ordinaire!!

Michele Bachmann in Spartanburg, South Carolina this morning giving the King birthday wishes. The only problem, as every Elvis fan knows who mourns his loss, is that Elvis Presley died on August 16, 1977!
"Let's all say Happy Birthday to Elvis Presley!" Said Bachmann. "We thought we'd celebrate his birthday as we get started celebrating Take Our Country Back Tour!"

Oops.

Another silly gaffe from a campaign prone to them.

Would be the same as if I would say Mazzeltov! to Jesus at Easter....

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darthstar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:56:40pm

I'd like to say all my drives were this close to the cup...wait...I was golfing - lying is part of the game - all my tee shots WERE this close to the cup...even the Par 5s.

Geller posting names of people she wants to see killed? Someone needs to tell her that's not appropriate.

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darthstar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:57:38pm

re: #207 Lidane

Boobies!

;)

Win.

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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:58:09pm

re: #217 Varek Raith

Fox’s Bolling: ‘We’re Keeping An Eye On’ Chris Christie’s Muslim Judge Appointee

An "eye out". Sheesh yet another example of how the right in this country has gone batshit on Muslims since Obama's election. Betcha they couldn't tell you that President Bush was such a stealth Jihadist that he had a Muslim man act as his ambassador to Afghanistan, Iraq, and later the UN after Bolton left. Seriously the way that judge Christie appointed has been treated is total crap. And I hope Christie continues to call the Shariah crap out for what it is. He's one of the few elected Republicans with national ambitions who has done so and I hope he continues to. They need sanity and they need it badly.

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darthstar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:58:48pm

re: #217 Varek Raith

Fox’s Bolling: ‘We’re Keeping An Eye On’ Chris Christie’s Muslim Judge Appointee

Translation: "We're Fox News. We do crap!"

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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:59:33pm

Fox News: We race bait, scare the shit out of you, then you decide."

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 16, 2011 2:59:42pm

re: #217 Varek Raith

Fox’s Bolling: ‘We’re Keeping An Eye On’ Chris Christie’s Muslim Judge Appointee

Imagine what Fox would be saying in Russia ca. 1900.

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darthstar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 3:00:09pm

Bachmann has competition...Rick "Deep Throat" Perry...goin' down for Jesus!

227

Varek Raith Tue, Aug 16, 2011 3:00:30pm

Image: XPGTL.jpg

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Kragar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 3:02:31pm

re: #226 darthstar

Bachmann has competition...Rick "Deep Throat" Perry...goin' down for Jesus!

You inserted an image into my mind's eye I could have done without.

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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 16, 2011 3:02:55pm

re: #222 HappyWarrior

Sohail Mohammed isn't the states first Muslim Judge, but he is the state's first Indian-American Judge.

I give big kudo's to Christie.

230

Varek Raith Tue, Aug 16, 2011 3:04:18pm

Quoter: For automated stock prices,
please state the company name.
Homer: Animotion.
Quoter: Animotion: Up one and one-half.
Homer: Yahoo!
Quoter: Yahoo: Up six and a quarter.
Homer: Huh? What is this crap?
Quoter: Fox Broadcasting: Down eight.

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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 16, 2011 3:04:20pm

re: #229 ggt

Sohail Mohammed isn't the states first Muslim Judge, but he is the state's first Indian-American Judge.

I give big kudo's to Christie.

I do too. He's stood by Mr. Mohammed throughout the whole ordeal and called out the bigots going after him. I am not a Christie fan but he's gained my respect by being a voice against this shit.

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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 16, 2011 3:05:54pm

re: #224 HappyWarrior

Fox News: We race bait, scare the shit out of you, then you decide."

Because the country would be so much better off if we all looked the same, dressed the same, spoke the same language, ate the same foods, went to the same church and were clones drowning in our own gene pool.

/gah

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makeitstop Tue, Aug 16, 2011 3:07:07pm

re: #219 William of Orange

OH no, she didn't!!
(Via Crooks and Liars.)

Another classic Bachmann blunder extra ordinaire!!

Would be the same as if I would say Mazzeltov! to Jesus at Easter...

Either she's completely oblivious to 20th Century American culture, or has the most dirt-dumb staff in political history.

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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 16, 2011 3:07:52pm

re: #233 makeitstop

Either she's completely oblivious to 20th Century American culture, or has the most dirt-dumb staff in political history.

Most of them have never read anything but the Bible.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Aug 16, 2011 3:08:10pm

re: #225 Sergey Romanov

Imagine what Fox would be saying in Russia ca. 1900.

RuFox'1905:

...We'll keep an eye on those Jewish members of the newly-elected Duma. They're obviously up to no good. Next in the news: Jews killing Christian babies for their matzot: fact or fiction? Everything about the new blood-curdling court case at 11.

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darthstar Tue, Aug 16, 2011 3:10:01pm

re: #219 William of Orange

OH no, she didn't!!
(Via Crooks and Liars.)

Another classic Bachmann blunder extra ordinaire!!

Would be the same as if I would say Mazzeltov! to Jesus at Easter...

Elvis was born on January 8 (same day as my brother). 8 + 8 = 16, so 8/16 is the same as 1/8
/teabag-off

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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 16, 2011 3:10:01pm

"The Protocols, are they real? You decide."

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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Aug 16, 2011 3:12:38pm

I'm off. I have to be productive.

Have a great evening all!

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makeitstop Tue, Aug 16, 2011 3:14:21pm

re: #234 ggt

Most of them have never read anything but the Bible.

Good point. But still...

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lostlakehiker Tue, Aug 16, 2011 3:15:39pm

re: #74 jaunte

Rick Perry's gran problema Latino

Latino immigrants aren't that badly treated in Texas. For instance, legal or not, they may attend our Universities and pay in-state tuition. There are jobs here, at least some. So there are some bad things about the state's political and economic climate for Latinos (taken together, citizens, legal immigrants, and illegal immigrants aka undocumented), but others are better than average. The climate climate sucks, especially nowadays, but that's nothing to do with Perry.

Relations between demographic groups are not as strained as in many other places---Texas has always had a considerable Hispanic segment, after all.

So Perry will do badly with Latino voters because he's Republican, but he won't do extraordinarily badly. He's not a sheriff Joe.

There are strong points against him, and others that merely weaken the overall case by overreaching. This is one of the latter.

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Lidane Tue, Aug 16, 2011 3:20:31pm

re: #240 lostlakehiker

Latino immigrants aren't that badly treated in Texas. For instance, legal or not, they may attend our Universities and pay in-state tuition. There are jobs here, at least some. So there are some bad things about the state's political and economic climate for Latinos (taken together, citizens, legal immigrants, and illegal immigrants aka undocumented), but others are better than average.

They also can't be deported, as long as they're the help. You know, since that's what us Latinos do. =P

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lostlakehiker Tue, Aug 16, 2011 3:24:49pm

re: #122 ggt

We would see the National Guard deployed. If they were still a cohesive force.

I think it would end-up more like Civil War than mere local riots.

Conservatives, of course, wouldn't understand what was happening and start shooting on sight.

Nonsense. Total nonsense.

We already took a bigger hit than the loss of a president would be. Having lived through both the JFK assassination, and 9-11, I just remember the two shocks. 9-11 was the bigger.

Conservatives didn't just "start shooting". Some loon, one out of 300 million, went off and murdered a Sikh because of the turban, thinking that turban spells Muslims spells al Qaida or something. And he's been convicted, and he might even be genuinely sorry.

The national guard would not fall apart. Training and discipline are good in that branch of the armed forces, at least by comparison to its historical record.

All too many presidents have been assassinated. Others have been shot but survived. In no case did the nation fall apart as a result. Whenever the next one happens, and may it be centuries away, we won't fall apart then either.

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garhighway Tue, Aug 16, 2011 4:36:22pm

This sounds like a list I want to be on. How do I sign up?

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wrenchwench Tue, Aug 16, 2011 4:43:46pm

re: #242 lostlakehiker

Nonsense. Total nonsense.

We already took a bigger hit than the loss of a president would be. Having lived through both the JFK assassination, and 9-11, I just remember the two shocks. 9-11 was the bigger.

Conservatives didn't just "start shooting". Some loon, one out of 300 million, went off and murdered a Sikh because of the turban, thinking that turban spells Muslims spells al Qaida or something. And he's been convicted, and he might even be genuinely sorry.

The national guard would not fall apart. Training and discipline are good in that branch of the armed forces, at least by comparison to its historical record.

All too many presidents have been assassinated. Others have been shot but survived. In no case did the nation fall apart as a result. Whenever the next one happens, and may it be centuries away, we won't fall apart then either.

An Obama assassination would not be like the JFK assassination. It would be more like the MLK assassination. Do you remember the riots following that? 9-11-01 was a different kind of hit, because it came from outside and killed indiscriminately. An Obama assassination would be taken more personally, like that of Dr. King.

I don't think the country would fall apart, but I do think there would be violence in the cities.

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b_Snark Tue, Aug 16, 2011 4:52:11pm

re: #226 darthstar

Bachmann has competition...Rick "Deep Throat" Perry...goin' down for Jesus!

Corn Porn.

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b_Snark Tue, Aug 16, 2011 4:54:58pm

re: #236 darthstar

Elvis was born on January 8 (same day as my brother). 8 + 8 = 16, so 8/16 is the same as 1/8
/teabag-off

Your brother is Elvis?

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lostlakehiker Tue, Aug 16, 2011 6:15:55pm

re: #241 Lidane

They also can't be deported, as long as they're the help. You know, since that's what us Latinos do. =P

That's a proposal, not a law.

What "us Latinos" actually do is all over the map, from menial work to professor. It's just about impossible to come into the country as an adult, not speaking English, with a basic education but no specialized marketable skills, and march right into the upper quintile or two economically. So there's a concentration, in the first generation, at the lower end. After that, there's a diffusion out of the lower quintiles. In my corner of Texas, everybody knows better than to think that "the help" is what Latinos do. Because we see, in our daily lives, that this is far from the mark.

Who even has "help"?

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lostlakehiker Tue, Aug 16, 2011 6:24:18pm

re: #244 wrenchwench

An Obama assassination would not be like the JFK assassination. It would be more like the MLK assassination. Do you remember the riots following that? 9-11-01 was a different kind of hit, because it came from outside and killed indiscriminately. An Obama assassination would be taken more personally, like that of Dr. King.

I don't think the country would fall apart, but I do think there would be violence in the cities.

If it were the work of some Breivik type, you could be right. But assassins come from all corners of the woodwork. It is beyond belief that Al Qaeda is not working on plans in that vein. It is entirely possible that there's a mental case, another Hinckley with a crush on some actress who of course will never give him a glance.

There's another thing. MLK was a civil rights leader. He spoke for his people, most particularly, and only secondarily for all of us. With Obama it is the other way around. The shock and grief among blacks would be compounded by the racial side of things, but we would all be stunned and desolate. Conservatives included.

This would be immediately and viscerally clear to all. How can you rage and storm at somebody who's feeling the same pain you are?

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Obdicut Wed, Aug 17, 2011 2:44:35am

re: #248 lostlakehiker

There's another thing. MLK was a civil rights leader. He spoke for his people, most particularly, and only secondarily for all of us. With Obama it is the other way around. The shock and grief among blacks would be compounded by the racial side of things, but we would all be stunned and desolate. Conservatives included.

The same conservatives who say that he's a traitor, that he doesn't love America, that he's destroying the US, that he's a tar baby, that he's lied to the American people, that he's a Marxist, a Socialist, that he should be impeached, they'd be 'stunned and desolate'?

Many would be. Sadly, clearly, many would not. And that is insane.

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lostlakehiker Wed, Aug 17, 2011 7:04:28am

re: #249 Obdicut

The same conservatives who say that he's a traitor, that he doesn't love America, that he's destroying the US, that he's a tar baby, that he's lied to the American people, that he's a Marxist, a Socialist, that he should be impeached, they'd be 'stunned and desolate'?

Many would be. Sadly, clearly, many would not. And that is insane.

Well, here goes with a "no true conservative" point. There are indeed people who talk that way, and they'd like to be counted among the ranks of 'conservatives'. But that's radical talk. Whether it's insane is a question of parsing "insanity". I don't give those guys a medical pass; they don't need a doctor. They need a soul searching.

There's too much loose talk of "treason" floating around. It's a natural thing to reach for an expressive word in conversation, even if the word isn't literally accurate. "You're killing me" doesn't mean what the words mean. But treason?

And if the speaker does mean it, he's saying by implication things that ought never be said in a political forum. The British Parliament has rules and members literally are not permitted to talk like that.

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Obdicut Wed, Aug 17, 2011 7:12:03am

re: #250 lostlakehiker

Well, here goes with a "no true conservative" point.

Yep. And that's all it is. Knowing that, why on earth did you continue with it?

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wrenchwench Wed, Aug 17, 2011 9:28:12am

re: #248 lostlakehiker

There's another thing. MLK was a civil rights leader. He spoke for his people, most particularly, and only secondarily for all of us.

That's not the impression I got.

Men often hate each other because they fear each other; they fear each other because they don't know each other; they don't know each other because they can not communicate; they can not communicate because they are separated.

Who does that speak to? Who does it leave out? And that goes double for this quote:

Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly.

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