Rick Perry: ‘In Texas We Teach Both Creationism and Evolution’

Anti-science hick tells kid evolution is ‘just a theory’
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This needs to get much more attention: Rick Perry is the most overt creationist in a political party that’s completely dominated by a crazed rejection of science.

Here he is in New Hampshire, telling a young boy that evolution is just “another theory that’s out there,” and “in Texas, we teach both creationism and evolution.”

This is madness.

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UPDATE at 8/18/11 11:20:39 am

Hot Air blogger Ed Morrissey sees nothing wrong with Perry’s response, and instead attacks the kid’s mother: Video: Mom pushes kid to ask Perry about evolution.

Hey, honey.  Go up to the big, scary stranger and start asking him about religion and science!

Ah, motherhood and politics…

Even better: Dammit, son, you’re not asking the questions I’m too afraid to ask right!  You have to ask him why he hates science!

I’ve got a question for Mom.  Why don’t you have the guts to ask the question yourself?  Too afraid of looking like an idiot in public?  Well … too late for that now.

Perry manages to get in a good backhanded slap at Mom, though, when he explains that Texas teaches both evolution and creationism, and says that assumes that students will be smart enough to figure it out for themselves.  Too bad Mom doesn’t think the same thing about her son here.

Interesting that Morrissey just assumes mom had to force her son to ask Perry about evolution. My first thought when I saw the video was, “Good for that kid!”

I would have been right there, asking the same questions, when I was that age. (Probably not as politely.)

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283 comments
1 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:43:06am

well at least he calls it for what it is and not "Intelligent Design"

2 Kragar  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:43:26am

Do they teach alchemy as an alternative to chemistry as well?

3 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:43:40am

All states do, because I don't believe there are any states without churches.

Oh--you meant in the schools.

4 Samita  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:44:30am

Perry falling farther and farther away from being an acceptable option v. Obama.

5 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:45:06am

re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Do they teach alchemy as an alternative to chemistry as well?

Alchemy -- Chemistry
Astrology -- Astronomy
Magic -- Physics
Biology -- Superstition/Witchcraft (as in "this herb will make him fall in love with you.)
Statistics -- Superstition

I call them the Evil Twins of Science

6 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:45:40am

Who wants to bet that Perry doesn't even understand what the theory of evolution is? These candidates were asleep during science class clearly.

7 Kragar  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:46:10am

re: #5 EmmmieG

Alchemy -- Chemistry
Astrology -- Astronomy
Magic -- Physics
Biology -- Superstition/Witchcraft (as in "this herb will make him fall in love with you.)
Statistics -- Superstition

I call them the Evil Twins of Science

Comparative Religions - Heresy

8 uncah91  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:46:41am

re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Do they teach alchemy as an alternative to chemistry as well?

We believe in the transubstantiation of metals!
//

9 Henchman Ghazi-808  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:46:56am

It is madness.

The silver lining is he's letting it all hang out there.

10 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:47:04am

re: #1 Dreggas

well at least he calls it for what it is and not "Intelligent Design"

If he thinks he can trick someone by using the term "intelligent design," he'll do that without hesitation.

11 Kragar  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:47:21am

re: #6 HappyWarrior

Who wants to bet that Perry doesn't even understand what the theory of evolution is? These candidates were asleep during science class clearly.

"MY GRANDPAPPY WASN'T NO MONKEY! HE WAS DIRT AND HIS WIFE WAS A RIB! THATS SCIENCE!"

12 Lidane  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:47:27am

Welcome to the 2011-2012 Republican party, where superstition and fairy tales are considered equal to legitimate science.

WTF.

13 uncah91  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:47:40am

re: #9 BigPapa

It is madness.

The silver lining is he's letting it all hang out there.

It used to be a lead lining... just saying.

14 Lidane  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:47:49am

re: #4 Samita

Perry falling farther and farther away from being an acceptable option v. Obama.

He's never been an acceptable option.

15 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:47:54am

Voodoo economics, superstition sociology, magical science, revisionist history: Today's GOP is an alternate universe.

16 Lidane  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:48:11am

re: #6 HappyWarrior

Who wants to bet that Perry doesn't even understand what the theory of evolution is? These candidates were asleep during science class clearly.

He knows whatever David Barton told him.

17 elizajane  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:48:34am

re: #6 HappyWarrior

Who wants to bet that Perry doesn't even understand what the theory of evolution is? These candidates were asleep during science class clearly.

You know, he got a degree in Animal Science and that's not actually Chickens for Dummies, at least now it isn't. You definitely know what evolution is, even as a C student.

Perry's ignorance is deliberate, not actual. He's not Michele Bachmann. He's much worse.

18 Kragar  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:49:05am

re: #14 Lidane

He's never been an acceptable option.

With Romney praising the Tea Party as uniting the GOP, the Republicans don't have an acceptable option on the table right now.

19 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:49:08am

re: #17 elizajane

You know, he got a degree in Animal Science and that's not actually Chickens for Dummies, at least now it isn't. You definitely know what evolution is, even as a C student.

Perry's ignorance is deliberate, not actual. He's not Michele Bachmann. He's much worse.

Oh, I didn't know that. And, yes, that is worse.

20 Samita  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:50:03am

re: #14 Lidane

He's never been an acceptable option.

I start with basic qualifications - 3 term Governor, etc.. and as I learn more the stock goes up or down.

21 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:50:54am

"...evolution is just “another theory that’s out there,” "

Then they must be teaching every theory about everything, then, right?

22 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:51:54am

Evolution is just a theory (he means a hypothesis) but Jesus's opposition to the minimum wage is a fact.

Some clear facts from the New Testament that Barton and his blasphemer gang ignore: Jesus was a community activist who was arrested for attacking entrepreneurs engaged in lawful business in the Temple.

23 Lidane  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:52:10am

re: #20 Samita

I start with basic qualifications - 3 term Governor, etc.. and as I learn more the stock goes up or down.

I've had the misfortune of having this asshole as my governor for those three terms.

Trust me. He's never been an acceptable option. I wouldn't vote for him even if you promised in writing to pay off all my student loans. He's nothing more than Sarah Palin with actual political skills.

24 Henchman Ghazi-808  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:52:21am

Srsly, WTF Texas?

25 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:52:36am

re: #12 Lidane

Welcome to the 2011-2012 Republican party, where superstition and fairy tales are considered equal to legitimate science.

WTF.

like supply side economics, corporations are people the list goes on and on.

26 Big Steve  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:53:03am

First off Governor Perry is just incorrect on this, the SBOE curriculum requirements DO NOT require teaching creationism and they only recommend mentioning the controversy.

Second, for those who think Perry has gone off the deep end and will not be a viable candidate, dream on.....this is all very carefully planned and he is perfectly in frequency to get picked up by those who can give him the nod in the early primaries.

27 mr.fusion  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:53:03am

re: #23 Lidane

I've had the misfortune of having this asshole as my governor for those three terms.

Trust me. He's never been an acceptable option. I wouldn't vote for him even if you promised in writing to pay off all my student loans. He's nothing more than Sarah Palin with actual political skills.

Yet he still got 3 terms

He worries me. A Perry/Rubio ticket petrifies me, because I think they'd have a real shot

28 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:53:14am

re: #10 Charles

I'm sure he would. Maybe by him not doing it, it's a sign that people don't fall for that bs anymore.

29 Samita  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:53:24am

re: #23 Lidane

I've had the misfortune of having this asshole as my governor for those three terms.

Trust me. He's never been an acceptable option. I wouldn't vote for him even if you promised in writing to pay off all my student loans. He's nothing more than Sarah Palin with actual political skills.

This mirrors the comments from everyone I know in TX.

I'm getting really tired of having to choose from a list of least worst options.

30 iossarian  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:54:07am

re: #20 Samita

I start with basic qualifications - 3 term Governor, etc.. and as I learn more the stock goes up or down.

The GOP: putting the 1929 into political stock.

31 sagehen  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:54:18am
32 Lidane  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:54:26am

re: #27 mr.fusion

Yet he still got 3 terms



Because this is a deeply red state.

Ever since Ann Richards, Bob Bullock, and Molly Ivins died, the politics around here has descended into total nutbag fail.

33 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:54:37am

re: #17 elizajane

You know, he got a degree in Animal Science and that's not actually Chickens for Dummies, at least now it isn't. You definitely know what evolution is, even as a C student.

Perry's ignorance is deliberate, not actual. He's not Michele Bachmann. He's much worse.

Exactly right. His fellow supply-side superstitionist, Louis Gohmert, was commander of the Corps of Cadets at A&M, not a job typically given to nitwits and knuckle-draggers. Like Perry, he is a pure panderer.

34 engineer cat  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:55:24am

evolution is a fact

the theory of evolution is an explanation of how it works

35 Kragar  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:55:48am

How long before they start teaching about the divine right of kings again?

36 Four More Tears  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:56:33am
This is madness.

This
Is
TEXAS!

37 Kragar  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:56:38am

re: #34 engineer dog

evolution is a fact

the theory of evolution is an explanation of how it works

Please see 11 for the reasoned rebuttal to that statement.

38 lostlakehiker  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:56:40am

re: #26 Big Steve

First off Governor Perry is just incorrect on this, the SBOE curriculum requirements DO NOT require teaching creationism and they only recommend mentioning the controversy.

Second, for those who think Perry has gone off the deep end and will not be a viable candidate, dream on...this is all very carefully planned and he is perfectly in frequency to get picked up by those who can give him the nod in the early primaries.

The people of Iowa and NH have a responsibility to strangle this candidacy in its crib. Once Perry gets to South Carolina he'll be on home turf.

39 zora  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:56:40am

re: #27 mr.fusion

the people who support perry will never vote for rubio, imo.

40 Kragar  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:57:10am

re: #36 JasonA

This
Is
TEXAS!

Always going for those low hanging fruits...

41 Lidane  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:57:59am

re: #35 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How long before they start teaching about the divine right of kings again?

Give Luap Nor some time. He's working his way up to that, given his love for feudalism. =P

42 Charleston Chew  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:58:11am

re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Do they teach alchemy as an alternative to chemistry as well?

I'm surprised conservative talk radio hasn't been selling kits for turning base metals into gold which will come in handy after the apocalypse that will surely result from a black guy being President. Seems like their kind of thing.

43 Big Steve  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:58:18am

re: #32 Lidane

Because this is a deeply red state.

Ever since Ann Richards, Bob Bullock, and Molly Ivins died, the politics around here has descended into total nutbag fail.

Don't disagree but I worked for Bill White's campaign and I thought he would have made an excellent governor.
In Galveston County where I live, in the last election not a single Democrat running won. I was asked to analyze precinct results and by my calculations 30% of the electorate HAD to have clicked the Republican only button for us to get the results that we did. No democrat had a chance in Texas last election

44 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:58:21am

re: #5 EmmmieG

Alchemy -- Chemistry
Astrology -- Astronomy
Magic -- Physics
Biology -- Superstition/Witchcraft (as in "this herb will make him fall in love with you.)
Statistics -- Superstition

I call them the Evil Twins of Science

45 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:59:28am

re: #12 Lidane

Welcome to the 2011-2012 Republican party, where superstition and fairy tales are considered equal to legitimate science.

WTF.

But, but, they have *both* country and western!

;)

46 Big Steve  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:59:59am

re: #38 lostlakehiker

The people of Iowa and NH have a responsibility to strangle this candidacy in its crib. Once Perry gets to South Carolina he'll be on home turf.

lets hope

47 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:00:42am

re: #26 Big Steve

First off Governor Perry is just incorrect on this, the SBOE curriculum requirements DO NOT require teaching creationism and they only recommend mentioning the controversy.

Second, for those who think Perry has gone off the deep end and will not be a viable candidate, dream on...this is all very carefully planned and he is perfectly in frequency to get picked up by those who can give him the nod in the early primaries.

My prediction is-Watch the false flag sprint for the middle after the primary. It's gonna be a mach 2 velocity move.

48 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:01:59am

I have warm brownies and I'm looking at zooborns.

Every argument you have ever made is invalidated.

49 mr.fusion  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:02:12am

re: #38 lostlakehiker

The people of Iowa and NH have a responsibility to strangle this candidacy in its crib. Once Perry gets to South Carolina he'll be on home turf.

You could say that about every single one of the candidates

50 Lidane  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:02:42am

re: #43 Big Steve

Don't disagree but I worked for Bill White's campaign and I thought he would have made an excellent governor.

I liked Bill. Thought he would be good. Even voted for him. Knew it was a fool's errand for him to run, since Perry was going to win handily.

In Galveston County where I live, in the last election not a single Democrat running won. I was asked to analyze precinct results and by my calculations 30% of the electorate HAD to have clicked the Republican only button for us to get the results that we did. No democrat had a chance in Texas last election

That's pretty much Texas in a nutshell. People around here are deeply conservative and Republican. I'm lucky in that I live in Austin, which has enough college kids and techie nerds around here to make this place suck less. I won't live anywhere else in this state anymore.

51 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:02:51am

re: #47 Rightwingconspirator

My prediction is-Watch the false flag sprint for the middle after the primary. It's gonna be a mach 2 velocity move.

Will the Tea Party start playing "Won't Be Fooled Again" at that point when they get abandoned (as always)?

52 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:03:05am

re: #40 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Always going for those low hanging fruits...

We don't have no fruits in Texas, and they wouldn't be hanging low if we did.
/

53 Kragar  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:04:29am

re: #52 Shiplord Kirel

We don't have no fruits in Texas, and they wouldn't be hanging low if we did.
/

Yeah, droughts are rough on orchards.

/I see what you did there.

54 Interesting Times  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:05:32am

re: #50 Lidane

That's pretty much Texas in a nutshell. People around here are deeply conservative and Republican.

What about the growing Hispanic population? Isn't there at least some possibility they could tip the balance in the next decade or so?

55 engineer cat  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:06:22am

re: #35 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How long before they start teaching about the divine right of kings again?

we've certainly heard too much about the divine right of "wealth creators" and the holy law of "free market economics"

56 lostlakehiker  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:06:26am

re: #39 zora

the people who support perry will never vote for rubio, imo.

Why? There aren't many people from either party who will stay home because their favorite nominee didn't win their party's nomination. Most Republicans will vote for whoever their party nominates.

Rubio won in Florida, and he can't have done that without a lot of white support. Florida is similar enough to TX politically that both have had Bushes as governor.

This notion that Republicans are anti-Hispanic, to the extent that they won't vote for someone of their own party if he's Hispanic, is just not supported by the evidence.

And reciprocally, Hispanics don't break 90-10 for Democrats, at least not in TX or FL. They trend Democrat, but not that lopsidedly.

details.

If Perry is to be stopped, wishful thinking has to go out the window.

57 Four More Tears  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:08:04am

re: #40 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Always going for those low hanging fruits...

I'm lazy. Deal with it.

58 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:08:13am

At Hot Air, Ed Morrissey is bashing the kid's mother.

[Link: hotair.com...]

59 Kragar  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:08:59am

And now we have Bryan Fischer claiming that the Constitution only covers the separation of Church and State at the federal level.

STATES RIGHTS!

states can regulate religious expression

If Jefferson and McCarthy are right, then states have considerable latitude under the Constitution as given to us by the Founders (not the Constitution as disfigured beyond recognition by activist judges) to regulate the expression of religion within their borders.

States like Virginia, whose founders explicitly wanted to protect the free exercise of religion for Muslims, would be free to do so. Other states would not be bound by what Virginia decided to do, and would have the freedom to regulate Islam in any way they saw fit to preserve public peace and order.

60 Lidane  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:09:39am

re: #54 publicityStunted

What about the growing Hispanic population? Isn't there at least some possibility they could tip the balance in the next decade or so?

A lot of them are cultural Catholics and therefore socially conservative. You'll either see a lot of conservative Dems running to appeal to them, or the GOP talking about social issues in a less batshit way in order to get their votes.

61 lostlakehiker  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:10:38am

re: #49 mr.fusion

You could say that about every single one of the candidates

Somebody will be the nominee. I keep saying this: damage control and mitigation are very important. In politics, one cannot always get a good result. Then, it's important to avoid worst-case results.

There's a difference between Romney or Christie, say, and Bachmann or Perry. We really don't want BP in charge.

RC, while not Coca Cola Classic, is drinkable.

62 Iwouldprefernotto  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:11:44am

I think Perry is trying to burn out. Otherwise I can't explain/understand his positions.

63 Henchman Ghazi-808  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:11:46am

re: #58 Charles

At Hot Air, Ed Morrissey is bashing the kid's mother.

[Link: hotair.com...]

Mom probably had kid ask so Perry would pay attention. Nothing strange about that at all.

Telling how Morrisey deemed Perry's response to Mom a 'backhanded slap.' Freudian slip?

64 leftynyc  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:12:21am

re: #26 Big Steve

First off Governor Perry is just incorrect on this, the SBOE curriculum requirements DO NOT require teaching creationism and they only recommend mentioning the controversy.

Second, for those who think Perry has gone off the deep end and will not be a viable candidate, dream on...this is all very carefully planned and he is perfectly in frequency to get picked up by those who can give him the nod in the early primaries.


I have no doubt he can get the pub nomination. Do you think he has a chance at the general with an anti-science worldview?

65 Martinsmithy  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:13:39am

It's only madness if it's taught in a science classroom. If it's taught in a history or humanities class, as part of how we came to be what we are as humans culturally, as opposed to scientifically, it's just fine.

I don't think that's what Perry has in mind though ...

66 iossarian  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:13:49am

re: #64 leftynyc

I have no doubt he can get the pub nomination. Do you think he has a chance at the general with an anti-science worldview?

It all depends on how many Americans are fucking idiots.

67 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:14:15am

re: #58 Charles

Indeed, he's questioning the questioner - and not the answer received from Perry, which is anti-science to its core.

68 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:14:27am

re: #66 iossarian

Idiocracy in motion

69 Four More Tears  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:15:05am

re: #58 Charles

Hm.

Perry manages to get in a good backhanded slap at Mom, though, when he explains that Texas teaches both evolution and creationism, and says that assumes that students will be smart enough to figure it out for themselves

Hey, here's an idea. Let's teach kids that maybe there is a god, and maybe there isn't. Let's assume they're smart enough to figure it out for themselves...

70 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:15:14am

re: #58 Charles

At Hot Air, Ed Morrissey is bashing the kid's mother.

[Link: hotair.com...]

And what kind of countertops does this kid's family have?

//

71 Kragar  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:15:31am

re: #58 Charles

At Hot Air, Ed Morrissey is bashing the kid's mother.

[Link: hotair.com...]

When you don't have a leg to stand on, attack the messenger.

72 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:15:47am

re: #64 leftynyc

I have no doubt he can get the pub nomination. Do you think he has a chance at the general with an anti-science worldview?

Sure, so long as he keeps the focus on the jobs market and how he's a "miracle worker" back home.

73 iossarian  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:16:20am

re: #71 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

When you don't have a leg to stand on, attack the messenger.

What if it's the messenger that has no legs? Hmmm?

WHAT THEN?

74 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:16:42am

re: #71 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

When you don't have a leg to stand on, attack the messenger.

This is gonna be another fun election cycle....

75 Four More Tears  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:16:47am

I strongly suggest catching up on whatever you have sitting on the DVR instead of, oh I dunno, looking at the Dow right now.

76 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:17:08am

National Review editor's reaction: Twitter / @DanFosterNRO: Vast majority of liberal c ...

Vast majority of liberal condescension on evolution and AGW done by people of average intelligence w/liberal arts degrees.

Lol, wut?

77 iossarian  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:18:28am

re: #76 Charles

National Review editor's reaction: Twitter / @DanFosterNRO: Vast majority of liberal c ...

Lol, wut?

Enough projection to fill a multiplex.

78 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:18:55am

re: #75 JasonA

I strongly suggest catching up on whatever you have sitting on the DVR instead of, oh I dunno, looking at the Dow right now.

" "We had a couple days to stabilize and breathe, but you forget that it's a war zone out there and there's just too much uncertainty about the economy," said Frank Davis, director of sales and trading at LEK Securities."

[Link: money.cnn.com...]

Is the teabag recovery?

//

79 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:19:02am

re: #77 iossarian

Enough projection to fill a multiplex.

More projection than an iMax.

80 MikeTheModerateDemocrat  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:19:17am

I despise Perry and everything he stands for. I also don't think children should be used as political pawns. It lends credence to the stereotype of the "shrill liberal".

81 Martinsmithy  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:20:18am

re: #76 Charles

National Review editor's reaction: Twitter / @DanFosterNRO: Vast majority of liberal c ...
Lol, wut?

As opposed to right-wingers smart enough to lie to and manipulate a gullible American public that doesn't know science. Perhaps that's what they mean?

82 Kragar  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:20:24am

re: #76 Charles

National Review editor's reaction: Twitter / @DanFosterNRO: Vast majority of liberal c ...

Lol, wut?

Vast majority of conservative condescension about higher education and science done by people of average intelligence with high school diplomas.

83 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:20:36am

re: #76 Charles

Really? Except that it's most of the scientists in those actual fields who scoff at the anti-AGW who say that it doesn't exist or the creationists who deny the theory of evolution (and which puts them on the wrong side with the Catholic Church btw). And last time I checked, those scientists aren't in the liberal arts or have average intelligence either...

84 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:20:57am

re: #75 JasonA

I strongly suggest catching up on whatever you have sitting on the DVR instead of, oh I dunno, looking at the Dow right now.

Yeah, just looked on Yahoo Finance. The band's begun playing "Nearer, My God, To Thee."

/

85 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:20:59am

re: #76 Charles

National Review editor's reaction: Twitter / @DanFosterNRO: Vast majority of liberal c ...


Lol, wut?

I see. So it's all about the "liberal condescension" and not the actual science. //

86 leftynyc  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:21:18am

re: #66 iossarian

It all depends on how many Americans are fucking idiots.

Oy vey - we're in trouble.

87 Gus  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:21:23am

re: #76 Charles

National Review editor's reaction: Twitter / @DanFosterNRO: Vast majority of liberal c ...

Lol, wut?

Right. Science is a liberal conspiracy! Like I was saying earlier. The last conservative now seems to be to blame liberals for everything. Including their pathetic shortcomings in science.

88 iossarian  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:21:38am

re: #80 MikeTheModerateDemocrat

I despise Perry and everything he stands for. I also don't think children should be used as political pawns. It lends credence to the stereotype of the "shrill liberal".

I completely disagree. This kid might just be condemned to a schooling that consists of: "Pastor Bob says it's true so it is. Don't ask questions."

I think it's absolutely fair that he should be encouraged to point out the utter cowardice of Perry, who refused to state which "facts" are being taught in Texas schools.

89 Big Steve  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:21:42am

re: #64 leftynyc

I have no doubt he can get the pub nomination. Do you think he has a chance at the general with an anti-science worldview?

Perry would be very formidable against Obama. He has a great back story, he is a bonafide veteran of military service, he has been a governor of a large state and in my opinion Governors are the best simulation (being executive branch) for being President. Further he is absolutely ruthless and has that Clintonian ability to compartmentalize criticism. Finally, the right IS going to turn out strong for this election, and I don't think the left has the same energy. Perry is the ONLY republican candidate who I believe Obama can't beat.

90 Gus  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:22:23am

OK, this is weird. Using Firefox 6 here. Just updated last night.

The video above loads and then disappears. Just a blank white space now. I can view Youtube videos however in the comments.

91 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:23:04am

re: #76 Charles

National Review editor's reaction: Twitter / @DanFosterNRO: Vast majority of liberal c ...

Lol, wut?

I better go back to contact lenses. They're going to be looking for people wearing glasses.

92 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:23:08am

re: #87 Gus 802

Right. Science is a liberal conspiracy! Like I was saying earlier. The last conservative now seems to be to blame liberals for everything. Including their pathetic shortcomings in science.

Wait, I thought the problem was all these scientist people lying to rake in all the money for their science work and stuff?

//

93 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:23:39am

re: #58 Charles

At Hot Air, Ed Morrissey is bashing the kid's mother.

[Link: hotair.com...]

Jeez, what an unpleasant person:

Hey, honey. Go up to the big, scary stranger and start asking him about religion and science!

Ah, motherhood and politics:

Even better: Dammit, son, you’re not asking the questions I’m too afraid to ask right! You have to ask him why he hates science!

I’ve got a question for Mom. Why don’t you have the guts to ask the question yourself? Too afraid of looking like an idiot in public? Well … too late for that now.

Perry manages to get in a good backhanded slap at Mom, though, when he explains that Texas teaches both evolution and creationism, and says that assumes that students will be smart enough to figure it out for themselves. Too bad Mom doesn’t think the same thing about her son here.

Translation:

COWARDLY LIBERAL FEMINAZI ABUSES CHILD TO ASSAULT PERRY WITH GOTCHA QUESTIONS! PERRY SWINGS BACK WITH FULL SALVO OF AMERICANA: SCHOOLS ARE FREE MARKET OF IDEAS! SMART KIDS WILL FIGURE IT OUT FOR THEMSELVES. SHOULDN'T LIBRUL MAMA LIKE THAT PIECE O' SOCIAL DARWINISM? HURRRRRRRRRRRR

94 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:23:42am

re: #90 Gus 802

OK, this is weird. Using Firefox 6 here. Just updated last night.

The video above loads and then disappears. Just a blank white space now. I can view Youtube videos however in the comments.

Might need to update Flash. I got told that when I updated yesterday. Just before my computer had a stroke and decided to hang there for about 15 minutes.

95 hellosnackbar  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:24:08am

My prayer is that some small government fiscal conservative with an atheist opinion will put his name forward.
And that powerful atheists like Bill Gates and Craig Venter will back him/her.
It's time for Americans to face reality and dump all the varieties of space
monster that they believe created them.

96 Gus  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:24:26am

re: #94 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Might need to update Flash. I got told that when I updated yesterday. Just before my computer had a stroke and decided to hang there for about 15 minutes.

I did that right after I updated Firefox. Let me check again.

97 MikeTheModerateDemocrat  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:25:18am

re: #88 iossarian

But HE (the kid) wasn't questioning anything. Mommy was using him as a mouthpiece.

98 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:25:32am

re: #95 hellosnackbar

My prayer is that some small government fiscal conservative with an atheist opinion will put his name forward.
And that powerful atheists like Bill Gates and Craig Venter will back him/her.
It's time for Americans to face reality and dump all the varieties of space
monster that they believe created them.

I'll consider it an historical election when we have a candidate who openly admits to being an atheist. Because I'm sick and tired of year-long "I'm more Christian than he is!" fights every 4 years.

99 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:26:00am

OT but if it's August, it must be time for Republicans and the Village Media to wank about Obama being outside of the White House while being a Democrat.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

100 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:26:49am

re: #96 Gus 802

I did that right after I updated Firefox. Let me check again.

Well, then beats the frak out of me. Perhaps you should consider some percussive maintenance.

101 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:27:41am

re: #97 MikeTheModerateDemocrat

But HE (the kid) wasn't questioning anything. Mommy was using him as a mouthpiece.

That's an opinion from outside. The kid was probably as into it as the mom, just not so good at remembering his lines.

/been there, done that

102 iossarian  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:27:51am

re: #97 MikeTheModerateDemocrat

But HE (the kid) wasn't questioning anything. Mommy was using him as a mouthpiece.

Not really bothered. Perry would be quite happy to screw the kid over in many interesting ways. At least his Mom has his best intentions at heart.

I think this whole condemnation of the mother thing is quite revealing, actually. Why the cheek of her, attempting to encourage her child to think critically and take an active role in politics!

103 Big Steve  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:27:57am

re: #95 hellosnackbar

My prayer is that some small government fiscal conservative with an atheist opinion will put his name forward.
And that powerful atheists like Bill Gates and Craig Venter will back him/her.
It's time for Americans to face reality and dump all the varieties of space
monster that they believe created them.

There are three past Presidents in which serious historians reasonably argue were atheists....Jefferson, Lincoln, and T. Roosevelt. Interesting that all three are on Mt Rushmore.

104 Lidane  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:28:26am

@JonHuntsman:

To be clear. I believe in evolution and trust scientists on global warming. Call me crazy.

[Link: twitter.com...]

105 Gus  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:28:47am

re: #100 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Well, then beats the frak out of me. Perhaps you should consider some percussive maintenance.

Would yelling at it work? //

106 leftynyc  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:28:47am

re: #89 Big Steve

Perry would be very formidable against Obama. He has a great back story, he is a bonafide veteran of military service, he has been a governor of a large state and in my opinion Governors are the best simulation (being executive branch) for being President. Further he is absolutely ruthless and has that Clintonian ability to compartmentalize criticism. Finally, the right IS going to turn out strong for this election, and I don't think the left has the same energy. Perry is the ONLY republican candidate who I believe Obama can't beat.


I disagree. I'm more concerned about Romney who I think would appeal to moderates (and also was a governor). Unless he'd pick a moderate/right person for VP, I think the left can pretty handily portray him as a right wing hack (which is what I consider him). I was watching the polls very closely during the debt debate and the overwhelming majority of Americans wanted compromise to rule the day. In order to get the teabagger vote, Perry almost has to say he would never compromise.

107 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:28:51am

re: #104 Lidane

@JonHuntsman:

[Link: twitter.com...]

What's that, John? You didn't really want to be president? Well, why didn't you say so?

108 iossarian  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:29:00am

re: #104 Lidane

@JonHuntsman:

[Link: twitter.com...]

Bye bye Mr. 2%.

109 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:29:15am

re: #102 iossarian

Not really bothered. Perry would be quite happy to screw the kid over in many interesting ways. At least his Mom has his best intentions at heart.

I think this whole condemnation of the mother thing is quite revealing, actually. Why the cheek of her, attempting to encourage her child to think critically and take an active role in politics!

She should have been grateful that the great governor of Texas came to her little pathetic state. //

Gosh, I can't wait until its unlawful to criticize the president again....

110 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:29:23am

re: #105 Gus 802

Would yelling at it work? //

Good start, but you might have to upgrade to a steel-toed boot for the second round.

111 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:29:24am

re: #101 wrenchwench

That's an opinion from outside. The kid was probably as into it as the mom, just not so good at remembering his lines.

/been there, done that

[I was the kid when I done that]

112 Henchman Ghazi-808  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:29:37am

re: #97 MikeTheModerateDemocrat

But HE (the kid) wasn't questioning anything. Mommy was using him as a mouthpiece.

It happens all the time, sometimes with overzealous parents and sometimes kids want to be involved. But this isn't the key issue of the story.

113 Samita  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:29:59am

re: #108 iossarian

Bye bye Mr. 2%.

I suddenly like him that much more

114 leftynyc  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:30:29am

re: #95 hellosnackbar

My prayer is that some small government fiscal conservative with an atheist opinion will put his name forward.
And that powerful atheists like Bill Gates and Craig Venter will back him/her.
It's time for Americans to face reality and dump all the varieties of space
monster that they believe created them.


The person you described would never get the pub nomination. He/She would have to run on a third party ticket.

115 Kragar  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:31:23am

re: #104 Lidane

@JonHuntsman:

[Link: twitter.com...]

HE'S CRAZY!
/

116 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:32:00am

re: #104 Lidane

@JonHuntsman:


[Link: twitter.com...]

Wish he had shown a similar level of guts when the stupid raise your hands if you won't ever, ever, Ever raise taxes question in the Iowa debate.

117 engineer cat  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:32:33am

re: #89 Big Steve

Perry would be very formidable against Obama. He has a great back story, he is a bonafide veteran of military service, he has been a governor of a large state and in my opinion Governors are the best simulation (being executive branch) for being President. Further he is absolutely ruthless and has that Clintonian ability to compartmentalize criticism. Finally, the right IS going to turn out strong for this election, and I don't think the left has the same energy. Perry is the ONLY republican candidate who I believe Obama can't beat.

i don't think perry's conservative positions or solid resume are the crucial issues here

my gut tells me he will sink quick because he is a FOOL

118 Lidane  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:32:36am

re: #116 Bulworth

Wish he had shown a similar level of guts when the stupid raise your hands if you won't ever, ever, Ever raise taxes question in the Iowa debate.

And if he hadn't started with all that "EPA reign of terror" nonsense.

119 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:33:31am

Huntsman may accept the word of scientists about AGW, but what he's been saying on the campaign trail is effectively the Republican position. He's against actually doing anything that might help.

120 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:34:04am

I can't get over Ed Morrissey's attack. He's basically saying that it's foolish to demand that public schools teach children correct facts as correct facts and not pass off anything else as correct facts.

121 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:34:06am

Perry on religion:
"In church, we teach both Christianity and prosperity gospel propaganda."

122 Big Steve  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:34:50am

re: #117 engineer dog

i don't think perry's conservative positions or solid resume are the crucial issues here

my gut tells me he will sink quick because he is a FOOL

Trust me he is not a foolish man and will not run a foolish campaign. He has a very professional campaign staff and he totally listens to them. He will not become a cartoon character like Palin or Bachmann or Trump.

123 makeitstop  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:34:51am

If Perry gets this sort of treatment in half the states he's got to campaign in, he's gonna be one cranky bastard in no time flat.

Gonna be fun to watch when the meltdown happens. Let's just hope he leaves the pistol in the tour bus that day.
/

124 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:34:52am

re: #101 wrenchwench

That's an opinion from outside. The kid was probably as into it as the mom, just not so good at remembering his lines.

/been there, done that

I agree! My first thought was, "Good for that kid!"

Interesting that Morrissey just assumes the mom had to force the kid to ask Perry about evolution. I would have been right there too at that age.

125 garhighway  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:35:07am

re: #106 leftynyc

I disagree. I'm more concerned about Romney who I think would appeal to moderates (and also was a governor). Unless he'd pick a moderate/right person for VP, I think the left can pretty handily portray him as a right wing hack (which is what I consider him). I was watching the polls very closely during the debt debate and the overwhelming majority of Americans wanted compromise to rule the day. In order to get the teabagger vote, Perry almost has to say he would never compromise.

That's an interesting question: for each Republican in the field, who would be their strongest general election running mate (that they could sell to their base)?

126 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:35:24am

re: #118 Lidane

And if he hadn't started with all that "EPA reign of terror" nonsense.

I have the impression that most of the commenters here would rather state actual positions and principles that show what your political character is and sink rather than pander and attempt to be a cipher whose statements match the desires of whatever group is being addressed. (And thus are almost impossible to pin down to what their actual positions are on issues beyond desiring to be elected.)

127 Neutral President  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:35:31am

re: #59 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And now we have Bryan Fischer claiming that the Constitution only covers the separation of Church and State at the federal level.

STATES RIGHTS!

states can regulate religious expression

Has this guy ever heard of the 14th amendment?

Specifically this part: "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

OH Yeah... I forgot. That's one of the amendments they want to get rid of.

128 Lidane  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:36:06am

re: #119 Charles

Huntsman may accept the word of scientists about AGW, but what he's been saying on the campaign trail is effectively the Republican position. He's against actually doing anything that might help.

True, which is disappointing. He damn well should know better.

129 jaunte  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:37:01am

Greetings, science-supporting (and so somehow condescending) liberal honcos. Here's some Texas Freedom Network news from my email this morning.

Other good news from the legislative sessions:

- The failure of a massive private school voucher scheme, HB 33 in the special session, that could have drained billions of dollars from neighborhood schools.
- Passage of HB 1942, which requires school districts to establish policies that protect students, including gay and lesbian youth, from bullying and abuse in their public schools.
- The failure of HB 2454, which would have required the state’s colleges and universities to look the other way when faculty and students present creationist arguments as legitimate science.
- The rejection of measures that supporters claimed would protect Texas from the (mythical) threat of Sharia law in this state.
[Link: www.tfn.org...]


TFN is an organization on the front lines of defending science education in Texas, and deserves all the support you can give them.

130 Interesting Times  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:37:12am

Oh snap:

Ali_Davis Ali Davis
by JeffSharlet
Next you're going to tell me @JonHuntsman believes in gravity. Everyone in the GOP knows it's tiny angels holding your feet

131 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:38:22am

Outrage worthy-Anonymous has hacked the personal data of working police officers-And has exposed the information. Internet thugs.
At least that is how I think of them.

132 engineer cat  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:38:42am

re: #122 Big Steve

Trust me he is not a foolish man and will not run a foolish campaign. He has a very professional campaign staff and he totally listens to them. He will not become a cartoon character like Palin or Bachmann or Trump.

he already has

133 leftynyc  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:39:43am

re: #122 Big Steve

Trust me he is not a foolish man and will not run a foolish campaign. He has a very professional campaign staff and he totally listens to them. He will not become a cartoon character like Palin or Bachmann or Trump.

Running in the rest of the US is nothing like running in TX. The rest of us aren't impressed with swagger since the Bush years.

134 garhighway  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:40:22am

re: #129 jaunte

Greetings, science-supporting (and so somehow condescending) liberal honcos. Here's some Texas Freedom Network news from my email this morning.


TFN is an organization on the front lines of defending science education in Texas, and deserves all the support you can give them.

But their website says that they are a group devoted to civil liberties. So they must be commies.

/

135 Lidane  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:40:29am

re: #130 publicityStunted

Pfft. Everyone knows it's turtles all the way down.

137 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:41:26am

re: #132 engineer dog

he already has

If we want brickbat throwing cartoon characters as public officials I'm going to vote for Ignatz!
/

138 justaminute  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:43:58am

I think this is excellent that Texas gets a good look at their Governor on the national stage. I think sunshine or the national political spotlight on Texas politics and Perry and the well deserved criticism that it garners needs an airing in the political arena. I love how it's coming out that Perry's job creation uptick was due to government jobs. I appreciate how it's pointing out the rankings of Texas versus other states. Texans are being reminded that they rank at the top for all bad things and at the bottom for all good things.

As my cousin who lives in Texas likes to say " Yea, there's jobs in Texas, I've got three of them myself."

139 Lidane  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:46:22am

re: #138 justaminute

As my cousin who lives in Texas likes to say " Yea, there's jobs in Texas, I've got three of them myself."

Heh. I have a job too. I'm just not getting paid for it yet. =P

140 Four More Tears  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:46:41am

re: #138 justaminute

As my cousin who lives in Texas likes to say " Yea, there's jobs in Texas, I've got three of them myself."

Uniquely American, isn't it?

141 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:47:39am

Oh, how nice! Look at all the Hot Air commenters saying such kind things about me.

They're also screaming for someone to track down the identity of the woman and her son.

142 Bulworth  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:48:18am

re: #129 jaunte

Greetings, science-supporting (and so somehow condescending) liberal honcos. Here's some Texas Freedom Network news from my email this morning.


TFN is an organization on the front lines of defending science education in Texas, and deserves all the support you can give them.


But, but, "freedom" is a word only conservatives can use.

//

143 Four More Tears  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:48:55am

re: #141 Charles

They're also screaming for someone to track down the identity of the woman and her son.

The Gestapo'll get right on that...

144 jaunte  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:49:16am

Some readers may not know who Ed Morrissey is working for, so...

Hot Air is owned by Salem Communications which was founded by Stuart Epperson and Edward Atsinger III. Epperson was named one of the 25 most influential evangelicals in America by Time magazine. He is a member of the Council for National Policy. Founded in 1981, the CNP's founding members included: Tim LaHaye, Nelson Baker Hunt, T. Cullen Davis, William Cies, and Paul Weyrich.

"The Center for Religion, Ethics and Social Policy at Cornell University considers the Council for National Policy a leading force in the Dominionist movement. TheocracyWatch, a CRESP project, describes it as "an umbrella organization of right-wing leaders who gather regularly to plot strategy, share ideas and fund causes and candidates to advance the theocratic agenda."
145 Lidane  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:49:37am

re: #141 Charles

Oh, how nice! Look at all the Hot Air commenters saying such kind things about me.

They're also screaming for someone to track down the identity of the woman and her son.

I'm sure Michelle Malkin is already on the case.

146 Four More Tears  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:50:04am

re: #145 Lidane

I'm sure Michelle Malkin is already on the case.

I said that already.

147 laZardo  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:50:39am

Yeah, what was that about science not being in conflict with religion again?

148 Lidane  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:51:27am

re: #147 laZardo

Yeah, what was that about science not being in conflict with religion again?

Science isn't in conflict with religion as long as you realize that it's "just another theory".

///

149 engineer cat  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:52:37am

here's a conservative blogger (betsy's page) on the bernanke remark:

Perry should make those arguments and leave the posturing back in Texas. If one of the worries his advisers have is that the country is not ready for another politician full of Texas swagger, this was not the way to convince people otherwise.

I'm not going to hyperventilate with some people who are all worried that Perry was threatening Bernanke with violence. He didn't commit that crime. He just stepped all over his campaign roll out.

So I'm reminded of Talleyrand's words on Napoleon's execution of the Duc d'Enghien on this one: "Worse than a crime, it was a mistake."

i think perry is closeted with his advisors right now figuring out how to dial back his revival tent style and present himself in a way americans would regard as presidential. good luck with that, fool

in other words, in the big leagues, being himself ain't a-gonna work

150 leftynyc  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:53:11am

re: #141 Charles

Oh, how nice! Look at all the Hot Air commenters saying such kind things about me.

They're also screaming for someone to track down the identity of the woman and her son.


Why do they want her identity? What do they want to do with it?

151 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:54:29am

Nice shout out for medicare at the end of the clip too.

152 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:56:25am

re: #144 jaunte

Some readers may not know who Ed Morrissey is working for, so...

Hot Air is owned by Salem Communications which was founded by Stuart Epperson and Edward Atsinger III. Epperson was named one of the 25 most influential evangelicals in America by Time magazine. He is a member of the Council for National Policy. Founded in 1981, the CNP's founding members included: Tim LaHaye, Nelson Baker Hunt, T. Cullen Davis, William Cies, and Paul Weyrich.

Well, yeah,

BUT that kid is working for ... ,,, um, HIS MOM!!1! We must find her!!1!

153 Interesting Times  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:58:01am

re: #150 leftynyc

Why do they want her identity? What do they want to do with it?

The same thing they did to the last person who dared challenge a GOP frontrunner:

The Cherry Hill Courier Press reports that others “threatened violence, including rape” and that “several commenters threatened to publish the Myers’ home address.” Amy’s school has reportedly also received “threatening mail.”

154 Four More Tears  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 11:58:28am

Pfft. Animals are so dumb!

Critters moving away from global warming faster

Animals across the world are fleeing global warming by heading north much faster than they were less than a decade ago, a new study says.

About 2,000 species examined are moving away from the equator at an average rate of more than 15 feet per day, about a mile per year, according to new research published Thursday in the journal Science which analyzed previous studies. Species are also moving up mountains to escape the heat, but more slowly, averaging about 4 feet a year.

155 Kragar  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:01:48pm

re: #154 JasonA

Pfft. Animals are so dumb!

Critters moving away from global warming faster

Not just animals

Midwest Mold A Growing Problem

The mold count for July 27 was 30,000, just 10,000 shy of the level required to issue an air pollution notice, according to a spokesperson for the National Allergy Bureau.

The problem is of course the record rainfall and flooding that has plagued much of the Midwest during the last couple of months. Mold can grow anywhere there is sufficient moisture, and adding the record temps to the equation only exacerbates the problem, almost exponentially.

156 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:02:24pm

re: #154 JasonA

Pfft. Animals are so dumb!

Critters moving away from global warming faster

Hey, they just found out how those fossil seashells got way up the slope of Mt Everest...
///

157 jaunte  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:03:33pm

Help a future Governor of Texas improve their education:


Just Educate. A campaign to reform the State Board of Education.

Over and over again the board has demonstrated a destructive ignorance toward every subject it is tasked to set curriculum standards for, from science to social studies the results are disastrous. That is why this is a campaign to reform the State Board of Education, not a campaign focused on one subject area.

Click here to sign the "Just Educate" petition - unite with thousands of other parents, business leaders and concerned citizens across Texas and send a clear message to politicians: stop promoting political agendas in our public schools. Our kids deserve better. Our future depends on it.

158 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:05:01pm
159 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:06:29pm

re: #120 000G

I can't get over Ed Morrissey's attack. He's basically saying that it's foolish to demand that public schools teach children correct facts as correct facts and not pass off anything else as correct facts.

What's worse, by his trying to be clever in saying that the smart kids will figure it out, he implicitly admits that the less smart kids probably won't – and that there is something that smart kids can figure out – but that teachers shouldn't tell any kids about the correct answers. And he thinks that that is perfectly okay policies for public education.

Man, the brain cramps!

160 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:06:32pm

re: #5 EmmmieG

Alchemy -- Chemistry
Astrology -- Astronomy
Magic -- Physics
Biology -- Superstition/Witchcraft (as in "this herb will make him fall in love with you.)
Statistics -- Superstition

I call them the Evil Twins of Science

Not necessary evil twins, often they were predecessors. Science split off from them, contibuted to mankind's advancement, and left them with the mumbo-jumbo

161 Four More Tears  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:06:43pm

giggle

markknoller Mark Knoller
If she were President, Palin says, she wouldn't go on vacation at a time like this: "especially not to Martha's Vineyard."

markos Markos Moulitsas
If she were president Palin wouldn't go on vacation right now. She'd quit.

162 jaunte  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:06:52pm
163 Four More Tears  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:07:16pm

re: #158 Killgore Trout

Christine O'Donnell Walks Out of CNN Interview (video)
heh

I watched that and just couldn't believe he had the nerve to ask her questions about something in her book!!!

164 Kragar  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:07:30pm

re: #158 Killgore Trout

Christine O'Donnell Walks Out of CNN Interview (video)
heh

A reporter asking a politician they're position on a topic that's in the news almost constantly is border line rude.

165 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:08:23pm

re: #163 JasonA

I watched that and just couldn't believe he had the nerve to ask her questions about something in her book!!!


This is why Republicans can't survive outside of Fox News studios.

166 leftynyc  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:09:14pm

re: #153 publicityStunted

The same thing they did to the last person who dared challenge a GOP frontrunner:

Every single freeking day the right gives me another reason to hold them in complete contempt. That's repulsive.

167 Four More Tears  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:09:16pm

Oh I can't wait to hear the bedwetters whine about this.

Obama’s Education Secretary Slams Perry’s Texas: ‘I Feel Very, Very Badly For The Children There’

Secretary of Education Arne Duncan is taking a rhetorical shot at one of President Obama's possible election opponents, slamming the education system in Gov. Rick Perry's home state of Texas.

"Far too few of their high school graduates are actually prepared to go on to college," Duncan said on Bloomberg Television. "I feel very, very badly for the children there."

168 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:10:06pm

re: #164 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oh, it gets even better. The reason she's even in the news is because she's touting her new book.

Piers asks questions about the book - particularly about the gay marriage, homosexuality policy statements she put in the book. She complains about that, even though it's her positions and in the book she came on the show to present.

/she can go pound Martian sand...

169 Four More Tears  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:10:26pm

re: #165 Killgore Trout

This is why Republicans can't survive outside of Fox News studios.

And now I'm imagining FNC as a Republican Nature Preserve. Keeping them safe and secure from the real world.

170 laZardo  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:11:02pm

re: #167 JasonA

Oh I can't wait to hear the bedwetters whine about this.

Obama’s Education Secretary Slams Perry’s Texas: ‘I Feel Very, Very Badly For The Children There’

They're more likely to go to jail anyway. That's why we should build more prisons.

171 Four More Tears  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:12:04pm

re: #170 laZardo

No, we shouldn't! We should leave that to the private sector!!1!

172 justaminute  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:12:24pm

re: #169 JasonA

And now I'm imagining FNC as a Republican Nature Preserve. Keeping them safe and secure from the real world.

I'm going to quote you on that! It's a good one.

173 jaunte  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:13:27pm

Remember all those sciency regulations Rick Perry would like to eliminate?


Asian Honey, Banned in Europe, Is Flooding U.S. Grocery Shelves
A third or more of all the honey consumed in the U.S. is likely to have been smuggled in from China and may be tainted with illegal antibiotics and heavy metals. A Food Safety News investigation has documented that millions of pounds of honey banned as unsafe in dozens of countries are being imported and sold here in record quantities.

174 Four More Tears  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:13:56pm

re: #172 justaminute

I'm going to quote you on that! It's a good one.

And for you, dear lady, I'll even forego my usual fee. :)

175 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:16:11pm

re: #89 Big Steve

He has a message that sells well in the bullet-point, sound-byte world of modern media: low taxes + loose regulation = jobs jobs jobs.

This theory is full of holes, but to refute it you need whole paragraphs, and nobody has the time or the attention span for such things any more.

176 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:16:31pm

re: #165 Killgore Trout

This is why Republicans can't survive outside of Fox News studios.

I just watched that, too, and I'm stunned. She's there to promote her book, and he asks her questions about things that are in the book. Surely she should have been prepared to answer it.

178 dragonfire1981  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:24:32pm

I would like to remind everyone Perry has been polling stronger than any Republican besides Romney, meaning it's pretty much a given either he or Bachmann will be the VP nominee.

179 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:26:05pm

re: #176 reuven

I just watched that, too, and I'm stunned. She's there to promote her book, and he asks her questions about things that are in the book. Surely she should have been prepared to answer it.

You'd think so but my guess is that she knows only her fellow homo hating wingnuts are going to ready the book. Stating her views to a mixed CNN audience is a little more uncomfortable.

180 blueraven  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:26:26pm

I wish the Mother had asked the follow up questions herself instead of prompting the kid.

That said, Perry's answer, just like his candidacy, is just so damn wrong for America!

181 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:27:17pm

I am not shocked at all they're attacking the woman and her son. Really bad of shades of the SCHIP debate when Michele Malkin thought it was a classy idea to harass a kid and his family too. What's wrong with these people?

182 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:27:40pm

re: #178 dragonfire1981

I would like to remind everyone Perry has been polling stronger than any Republican besides Romney, meaning it's pretty much a given either he or Bachmann will be the VP nominee.

The VP selection usually come from a swing state so I doubt Perry wil get the slot. My guess would be Bachman or Cain.

183 Interesting Times  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:32:29pm

re: #177 laZardo

And now for a story from Texas that actually ends well.

A former Brookline Elementary School teacher will spend the rest of his life in prison for sexually assaulting two girls, ages 7 and 8, one of whom was 5 when the assaults began, a Harris County jury decided Thursday. [Shitbag slumlord], 38, was castigated by the girls' mother in a victim's impact statement, calling him a "pathetic little man." "You taught those girls to fear the world," she said. "Most likely they will carry the scars of your actions until their dying day."
...
[Shitbag slumlord]'s ex-wife, Jennifer, testified in court Wednesday that [Shitbag slumlord] was into fantasy sex, especially father/daughter fantasies. She said that he would make her scream, "Stop, daddy. You're hurting me, daddy." Jennifer testified that she didn't like it, but went along with it to keep him happy.

Wow. If you put a character that disgustingly vile in a movie, everyone would say how ridiculously over-the-top it was o_O

184 engineer cat  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:34:06pm

re: #178 dragonfire1981

I would like to remind everyone Perry has been polling stronger than any Republican besides Romney, meaning it's pretty much a given either he or Bachmann will be the VP nominee.

we've got a long way to go. remember that at this point in the last cycle, everybody was matching up giuliani and clinton. mccain had already been declared dead a long time before he began to win primaries

i think the race will turn into a contest between perry and romney, with romney consistantly polling considerably better than perry in matchups with obama

either that or perry will have become just another of the seven dwarves by thanksgiving

185 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:34:19pm

re: #97 MikeTheModerateDemocrat

But HE (the kid) wasn't questioning anything. Mommy was using him as a mouthpiece.

How do you know? The kid might have been asking her and she said, "Why don't you ask him?". My kids used to do that stuff all the time to me when they were young. They had a question for someone else but were kinda afraid to ask, so they would try to get me to ask, and I would do the same thing she (might) have done and tell them "ask yourself". And as for the part where she reminds him to ask the next question, she might have just been reminding him of the other question he had asked her but forgot after he asked the first of Parry.

186 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:35:13pm

re: #183 publicityStunted

Wow. If you put a character that disgustingly vile in a movie, everyone would say how ridiculously over-the-top it was o_O

Just legalize prostituztion, then guys like that can find and pay professional adults to play those kind of games with him and he can leave the kids alone.

187 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:36:11pm

Do they teach creationism in Texas (as opposed to not teaching evolution)?

188 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:38:20pm

re: #187 Naso Tang

Do they teach creationism in Texas (as opposed to not teaching evolution)?


The question the kid's mom needed to have him ask was "Do you mean Biblical creationism, or any of the other thousands of creation myths?"

If evolution is "just one theory out there", then Creationism also has a lot of competition...

189 Four More Tears  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:38:43pm

re: #187 Naso Tang

Do they teach creationism in Texas (as opposed to not teaching evolution)?

I'm pretty sure they teach survival of the fittest.

Oh, that's not what you meant...

190 engineer cat  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:39:14pm

re: #187 Naso Tang

Do they teach creationism in Texas (as opposed to not teaching evolution)?

they teach the creation of the immaculate oil millionaire

191 makeitstop  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:39:33pm

re: #187 Naso Tang

Do they teach creationism in Texas (as opposed to not teaching evolution)?

According to The Walking Dude, they teach both.

But Steve Benen points out that if they do, they're doing so illegally.

This is important for a couple of reasons. First, Perry may have no idea what goes on in Texas’ public schools, but if they’re teaching “both creationism and evolution,” they’re violating the law. It’s not even a gray area — the Supreme Court has already struck down a law that called for “balanced treatment for creation-science and evolution-science in public school instruction,” concluding that the law violated the separation of church and state. Teaching religion in science class is illegal under the First Amendment.

It’s not exactly a secret that plenty of school districts ignore the law, but that’s not really the point here. Rather, this is a governor arguing publicly that his entire state is ignoring the law.

So either Perry doesn't know what's going on in his state's schools or the whole state is in breach of a Supreme Court ruling.

192 BongCrodny  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:40:31pm

Jon Huntsman, via Talking Points Memo:

To be clear. I believe in evolution and trust scientists on global warming. Call me crazy.

Dude.

You. Are. In. The. Wrong. Party.

193 makeitstop  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:41:15pm

re: #192 BongCrodny

Jon Huntsman, via Talking Points Memo:

Dude.

You. Are. In. The. Wrong. Party.

Yeah, but you can bet money that 'his party' will call him crazy.

194 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:41:40pm

re: #189 JasonA

I'm pretty sure they teach survival of the fittest.

Oh, that's not what you meant...


That is one aspect of these people that amazes me. They reject Evolution but embrace Social Darwinism. They preach Free Market but practice Corporate Socialism.

195 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:42:02pm

The following are the names of Vice Presidents who became President because of a death:

John Tyler, Millard Fillmore, Andrew Johnson, Chester A. Arthur, Theodore Roosevelt, Calvin Coolidge, Harry S. Truman, and Lyndon B. Johnson

Why am I bringing this up? Well, at least two of those wouldn't have happened with modern medicine:

John Tyler--Harrison probably would have recovered under modern medicine.

Millard Fillmore--Zachary Taylor was also doomed by 19th century medicine.

Harry S. Truman was selected knowing full well that the FDR would not live out his term.

Harding? Who knows what happened. His wife wouldn't allow an autopsy, but they speculate a heart condition. Modern medicine could potentially catch that and prolong his wife.

So, realistically, if a nutburger becomes VP, unless someone kills the President, we don't need to worry.

196 Gus  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:42:17pm

Now everything on my right sidebar is missing.

197 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:43:21pm

re: #196 Gus 802

Now everything on my right sidebar is missing.

Same here.

198 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:44:08pm

re: #196 Gus 802

Now everything on my right sidebar is missing.

'null' is null or not an object.

199 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:44:36pm

re: #192 BongCrodny

Jon Huntsman, via Talking Points Memo:

Dude.

You. Are. In. The. Wrong. Party.

Heh. Not really. He'd be hated far, far more by the left than the right.
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

200 makeitstop  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:44:43pm

re: #195 EmmmieG

So, realistically, if a nutburger becomes VP, unless someone kills the President, we don't need to worry.

Except that for a nutburger VP to be nominated, chances are good the prez nominee would have to be at least a semi-nutburger.

201 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:45:33pm

re: #191 makeitstop

According to The Walking Dude, they teach both.

But Steve Benen points out that if they do, they're doing so illegally.

So either Perry doesn't know what's going on in his state's schools or the whole state is in breach of a Supreme Court ruling.

Or both!

202 makeitstop  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:47:01pm

re: #201 wrenchwench

Or both!

Good point. The two need not be mutually exclusive.

203 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:47:10pm

re: #200 makeitstop

Except that for a nutburger VP to be nominated, chances are good the prez nominee would have to be at least a semi-nutburger.

Or believe his base is semi-nutburger.

204 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:47:10pm

The evolution debate is one that has always mystified me since I first saw Inherit the Wind in 8th grade at Fords Theater.

205 aagcobb  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:47:14pm

re: #195 EmmmieG

So, realistically, if a nutburger becomes VP, unless someone kills the President, we don't need to worry.

And how many nutburgers with guns are out there? Reagan nearly bought it; fortunately the sensible Bush was his Veep.

206 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:48:27pm

I always thought George W. Bush was a good man. I didn't always agree with him, but I never doubted that he had a good heart. And now that he is one of Rick Perry's greatest critics, I am even more sure of his goodness.

[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

Bush was not perfect by any means, but he was a much better man than Perry and his ilk.

207 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:49:05pm

re: #205 aagcobb

And how many nutburgers with guns are out there? Reagan nearly bought it; fortunately the sensible Bush was his Veep.

If Reagan had received the same wound in 1880, I would bet he would not have survived.

Not that this is a point or anything. Just a random thought.

208 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:49:46pm

re: #207 EmmmieG

If Reagan had received the same wound in 1880, I would bet he would not have survived.

Not that this is a point or anything. Just a random thought.

And Teddy R went out and gave a campaign speech after being shot.

209 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:50:11pm

re: #207 EmmmieG

If Reagan had received the same wound in 1880, I would bet he would not have survived.

Not that this is a point or anything. Just a random thought.

Garfield would probably have survived with modern surgery and x-rays.

210 Lidane  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:50:20pm

re: #206 _RememberTonyC

I can't say I'm a Bush fan. Never voted for him, or his daddy. I would rather eat glass than vote Republican in this state.

I'll still say that Bush > Perry, hands down.

211 aagcobb  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:50:38pm

re: #207 EmmmieG

If Reagan had received the same wound in 1880, I would bet he would not have survived.

Not that this is a point or anything. Just a random thought.

It is a good point that President's are a lot harder to kill now. I still wouldn't be comfortable with Bachmann being a heartbeat away.

212 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:50:47pm

re: #209 Alouette

Garfield would probably have survived with modern surgery and x-rays.

I thought about adding that, because so many historians believe it, but I was too lazy to thoroughly research it.

213 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:51:02pm

re: #207 EmmmieG

There are still quite a few terminal illnesses. Glioblastoma for example. Or as mentioned above high speed lead poisoning. Plus the tie breaking vote in the senate matters sometimes.

214 Four More Tears  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:51:02pm

re: #192 BongCrodny

Jon Huntsman, via Talking Points Memo:

Dude.

You. Are. In. The. Wrong. Party.

Huntsman is more of a Free Range Republican, as opposed to the ones raised in Fox News' cages.

215 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:51:09pm

re: #208 oaktree

And Teddy R went out and gave a campaign speech after being shot.

That's because he wasn't human. He was his own special species.

216 Four More Tears  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:52:29pm

re: #215 EmmmieG

That's because he wasn't human. He was his own special species.

More closely related to Homo Hemmingwayens.

217 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:52:40pm

re: #215 EmmmieG

That's because he wasn't human. He was his own special species.

I have the third volume of the TR biography to read. I hope _Colonel Roosevelt_ follows on well from _Theodore Rex_.

218 Lidane  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:52:56pm

re: #214 JasonA

Huntsman is more of a Free Range Republican, as opposed to the ones raised in Fox News' cages.

He should have just been himself from the start instead of pandering to the lunatics. They hate him anyway, just because he worked with Obama.

219 BongCrodny  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:53:04pm

re: #199 Rightwingconspirator

Heh. Not really. He'd be hated far, far more by the left than the right.
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]


Awfully good points, there. I didn't mean it as though I'm looking at him like he's Saint Huntsman or something, just that Huntsman looks at least *somewhat* rational compared to the Derp Parade his rivals are hawking.

220 aagcobb  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:53:28pm

So far Perry has said that Social Security and Medicare are unconstitutional, creationism should be taught, and the Fed Chairman ought to be lynched. Lots of good fodder for the President if Perry is the nominee.

221 Four More Tears  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:54:32pm

re: #218 Lidane

He should have just been himself from the start instead of pandering to the lunatics. They hate him anyway, just because he worked with Obama.

Yeah, he never should've tried to fit in. He wouldn't stand much more of a chance by standing out, but at least he could've made a statement with his support.

Kind of like Ron Paul. Not the best example, but you get the idea.

222 aagcobb  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:54:40pm

re: #218 Lidane

He should have just been himself from the start instead of pandering to the lunatics. They hate him anyway, just because he worked with Obama.

The lunatics are running the asylum.

223 Lidane  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:54:57pm

Speaking of Teddy Roosevelt, this promises to be fun:

[Link: www.spike.com...]

224 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:57:20pm

re: #220 aagcobb

So far Perry has said that Social Security and Medicare are unconstitutional, creationism should be taught, and the Fed Chairman ought to be lynched. Lots of good fodder for the President if Perry is the nominee.

You forgeot the "toying with secession" part.

But that is irrelevant. All these statements are going to get wrapped up in a veritable Texas twister of spin and obfustication.

His core message is what they are selling: Rugged individualism, family values, American exceptionalism, low taxes, lax regulation and jobs, jobs, jobs.

225 Gus  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:57:29pm

re: #197 HappyWarrior

Same here.

It's back now. Still can't see the video and I tried a bunch of shit. As usual, I'm wasting my time trying to troubleshoot computer shit. ABC News video set-up sucks.

226 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:58:32pm
227 engineer cat  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 12:58:38pm

re: #195 EmmmieG

The following are the names of Vice Presidents who became President because of a death:

John Tyler, Millard Fillmore, Andrew Johnson, Chester A. Arthur, Theodore Roosevelt, Calvin Coolidge, Harry S. Truman, and Lyndon B. Johnson

Why am I bringing this up? Well, at least two of those wouldn't have happened with modern medicine:

John Tyler--Harrison probably would have recovered under modern medicine.

Millard Fillmore--Zachary Taylor was also doomed by 19th century medicine.

Harry S. Truman was selected knowing full well that the FDR would not live out his term.

Harding? Who knows what happened. His wife wouldn't allow an autopsy, but they speculate a heart condition. Modern medicine could potentially catch that and prolong his wife.

So, realistically, if a nutburger becomes VP, unless someone kills the President, we don't need to worry.

also, garfield would certainly have lived if his ignorant "physicians" hadn't insisted on probing him with unsterilized instruments

as somebody noted, "it was a tragic waste of a perfectly good president who could write latin with one hand and greek with the other hand at the same time"

228 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:01:29pm

Whoa. I just caught that weird typo of mine.

Modern Medicine could potentially have prolonged Harding's life.

His wife was, presumably, a fine height. She just should have let them perform an autopsy. When a sitting president dies and we're not sure why, it should be mandatory.

229 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:02:14pm

re: #223 Lidane

Speaking of Teddy Roosevelt, this promises to be fun:

[Link: www.spike.com...]

I'd put my money on Teddy. The guy jumped off a horse to attack a bear armed with a knife. Also was a fairly good shot given his track record as a rancher and hunter. Not sure what skill set Lawrence has in comparison. Though TR's over-aggressiveness could be his downfall I guess.

230 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:02:53pm

re: #228 EmmmieG

Whoa. I just caught that weird typo of mine.

Modern Medicine could potentially have prolonged Harding's life.

His wife was, presumably, a fine height. She just should have let them perform an autopsy. When a sitting president dies and we're not sure why, it should be mandatory.

I agree. Regarding Harding, it was interesting to see him on TV on Boardwalk Empire this past year. Had Nan Britton and all that.

231 aagcobb  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:03:07pm

re: #224 ralphieboy

His core message is what they are selling: Rugged individualism, family values, American exceptionalism, low taxes, lax regulation and jobs, jobs, jobs.

If Perry is the nominee, the President will spend a few hundred million dollars reminding voters that Perry wants to abolish social security and medicare.

232 mythicknight  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:03:15pm

I'm really trying to explain evolution and scientific theory & law for the ignorant in the HotAir comments. Is it a lost cause? All I keep getting back is "hurrdurr then how universe begun peanut butter?" and I've just about lost my patience.

233 engineer cat  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:03:15pm

re: #224 ralphieboy

You forgeot the "toying with secession" part.

But that is irrelevant. All these statements are going to get wrapped up in a veritable Texas twister of spin and obfustication.

His core message is what they are selling: Rugged individualism, family values, American exceptionalism, low taxes, lax regulation and jobs, jobs, jobs.

but what is it that distinguishes perry from a hundred other politicians who've been selling the same things for years?

perry tries to sell it with his dick

234 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:03:25pm

re: #229 oaktree

I'd put my money on Teddy. The guy jumped off a horse to attack a bear armed with a knife. Also was a fairly good shot given his track record as a rancher and hunter. Not sure what skill set Lawrence has in comparison. Though TR's over-aggressiveness could be his downfall I guess.

This was Teddy Roosevelt. I wouldn't be surprised if he had jumped off of a horse to attack a bear armed with only his teeth and force of personality.

235 Kragar  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:05:03pm

re: #234 EmmmieG

This was Teddy Roosevelt. I wouldn't be surprised if he had jumped off of a horse to attack a bear armed with only his teeth and force of personality.

He'd have Bryan Fischer's vote just for attacking a bear.

236 aagcobb  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:05:19pm

re: #232 mythicknight

I'm really trying to explain evolution and scientific theory & law for the ignorant in the HotAir comments. Is it a lost cause? All I keep getting back is "hurrdurr then how universe begun peanut butter?" and I've just about lost my patience.

You might as well bang your head against a brick wall.

237 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:05:53pm

Wow. Just wow:

Responding to a man in Langley who asked if Obama "wants to destroy America," Coburn said the president is "very bright" and loves his country but has a political philosophy that is "goofy and wrong."
Obama's "intent is not to destroy, his intent is to create dependency because it worked so well for him," he said.

"As an African-American male," Coburn said, Obama received "tremendous advantage from a lot of these programs."

238 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:06:19pm

re: #236 aagcobb

You might as well bang your head against a brick wall.

A Big Bang, or a Little Bang?

239 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:06:38pm

re: #191 makeitstop

According to The Walking Dude, they teach both.

But Steve Benen points out that if they do, they're doing so illegally.

So either Perry doesn't know what's going on in his state's schools or the whole state is in breach of a Supreme Court ruling.

That's what I meant. I think we would have been discussing it more here if it was part of the curriculum, so the cowboy was lying again.

Will anyone in the press call him out on it?

240 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:06:44pm

OT:
This is just real odd. A possible bomb was found after a woman struck and killed by a train in Seattle.

The device had a fuse and resembled a small pipe bomb, and it was discovered after a 63-car Burlington Northern Santa Fe train struck a woman on the tracks near Carkeek Park, BNSF spokesman Gus Melonas said.

"It's an unknown object at this point. They haven't definitively examined it," Cheryl Bishop of the Seattle division of the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives told msnbc.com.

The ATF and the FBI sent agents to the scene to help investigate.

The crew said the woman was walking in the same direction as the southbound train when for some reason she knelt down on the tracks, Melonas said.

The crew blew the whistle and applied the emergency brake, but the train, which was hauling containers of general merchandise, could not stop in time, Melonas said.

It was not known if the woman was carrying the device when she was struck.

It's also not clear what she was doing on the tracks, which are also used by Amtrak passenger trains and Sounder regional commuter trains.

241 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:06:56pm

re: #235 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He'd have Bryan Fischer's vote just for attacking a bear.

Heh yes the Jeffrey Dahmers of the forest as he called them.

242 Lidane  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:07:19pm

re: #235 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He'd have Stephen Colbert's vote just for attacking a bear.

FTFY ;)

243 blueraven  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:08:06pm

re: #219 BongCrodny

Awfully good points, there. I didn't mean it as though I'm looking at him like he's Saint Huntsman or something, just that Huntsman looks at least *somewhat* rational compared to the Derp Parade his rivals are hawking.

I think Huntsman has an eye to 2016. This is a way of introducing himself. The problem is, he probably should have waited. The climate is way too far right in the republican party right now. I think he is far more moderate than he is willing to show at the moment. Too bad.

244 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:08:47pm

re: #237 Dreggas

Wow. Just wow:

I saw that. As I said earlier, I'm really sick of Republicans like Coburn acting like they never get money or assistance from the government.

245 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:09:01pm

re: #232 mythicknight

I'm really trying to explain evolution and scientific theory & law for the ignorant in the HotAir comments. Is it a lost cause? All I keep getting back is "hurrdurr then how universe begun peanut butter?" and I've just about lost my patience.

They are deliberately ignorant, or they would be commenting somewhere else. Kudos if you can save one.

246 Lidane  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:09:16pm

re: #232 mythicknight

I'm really trying to explain evolution and scientific theory & law for the ignorant in the HotAir comments. Is it a lost cause?

Yes. They're impervious to things like logic and reason. Don't bother.

247 blueraven  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:09:28pm

re: #220 aagcobb

So far Perry has said that Social Security and Medicare are unconstitutional, creationism should be taught, and the Fed Chairman ought to be lynched. Lots of good fodder for the President if Perry is the nominee.

And that's just a weeks worth! We got years of Perryisms.

248 Four More Tears  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:10:38pm

re: #232 mythicknight

I'm really trying to explain evolution and scientific theory & law for the ignorant in the HotAir comments. Is it a lost cause? All I keep getting back is "hurrdurr then how universe begun peanut butter?" and I've just about lost my patience.

Just watch QVC. Your time will be better spent.

249 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:13:41pm
250 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:14:33pm

re: #219 BongCrodny

Sadly, that's the only measure that makes him look good.

251 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:14:46pm

re: #244 HappyWarrior

i was remarking more on the dog whistle there.

252 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:14:50pm

re: #240 lawhawk

Three other people have been killed on BNSF railroad tracks in the Seattle area so far this month.

4 in a MONTH!?!?
WTF

253 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:16:22pm

re: #252 sattv4u2

Three other people have been killed on BNSF railroad tracks in the Seattle area so far this month.

4 in a MONTH!?!?
WTF

railroads are apparently a liberal plot that doesn't exist in reality. That light in the far end of the tunnel is not what you think it is...

254 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:17:06pm

re: #251 Dreggas

i was remarking more on the dog whistle there.

Yeah true that.

255 mythicknight  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:18:06pm

re: #245 wrenchwench

They are deliberately ignorant, or they would be commenting somewhere else. Kudos if you can save one.

There's a few others there that also know the difference between an apple changing into a banana and science. But not many.

I think I can feel my IQ being shot.

256 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:19:58pm

re: #232 mythicknight

I'm really trying to explain evolution and scientific theory & law for the ignorant in the HotAir comments. Is it a lost cause? All I keep getting back is "hurrdurr then how universe begun peanut butter?" and I've just about lost my patience.

The lostest of lost causes. There is no cause more lost. It's uber-lost.

257 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:21:50pm

re: #256 Charles

The lostest of lost causes.

Great topic for a call-in radio show.

258 Lidane  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:23:18pm

re: #255 mythicknight

I think I can feel my IQ being shot.

Go have a few drinks with some friends. You'll still kill brain cells, but at least it will be entertaining.

259 Lidane  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:23:50pm

re: #256 Charles

The lostest of lost causes. There is no cause more lost. It's uber-lost.

It's so lost that even Waldo can't find them.

260 Gus  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:24:34pm

Hot Air is basically a hard right Christianist blog.

261 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:25:15pm

re: #249 000G

Having been in that matrix up to the doctoral level, I'd say that's spot on! The Eye of Sauron is pitch perfect.

262 Kragar  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:25:49pm

re: #260 Gus 802

Hot Air is basically a hard right Christianist blog.

Dominionist is the term.

263 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:26:47pm
264 Gus  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:27:45pm

re: #262 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Dominionist is the term.

The owner of Salem Communications is supporting... Rick Perry. That was mentioned in the LA Times a couple of days ago.

265 Four More Tears  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:27:51pm

re: #263 goddamnedfrank

Photoshop fail: Freepers don't understand lighting / irony.

Pfft. That light's coming from Reagan, obviously.

266 jaunte  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:28:31pm

re: #260 Gus 802

Free riders, who don't believe in supporting scientific research, but don't mind taking advantage of the resulting advances in medicine.

267 Gus  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:28:54pm
268 Gus  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:30:56pm

re: #266 jaunte

Free riders, who don't believe in supporting scientific research, but don't mind taking advantage of the resulting advances in medicine.

Hot Air: Blogging for Jesus Republicans

269 Gus  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:33:38pm

@EricBoehlert Eric Boehlert
Oh look, Brent Bozell's @newsbusters also furious at the $$ Secret Service is spending to protect POTUS; [Link: t.co...] #creepy

Creeps.

270 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:34:36pm

re: #263 goddamnedfrank

Photoshop fail: Freepers don't understand lighting / irony.

Looks like Palin's about to fall off.

271 zora  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:35:49pm

re: #150 leftynyc

terrorize her and check her countertops.

272 mythicknight  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:36:02pm

re: #256 Charles

The lostest of lost causes. There is no cause more lost. It's uber-lost.

Sigh. You're probably right, but I must still fight for truth where there is ignorance. The beacon of light amidst the dark. I guess I'm the Batman in HotAir.

I need a drink.

273 jaunte  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:36:49pm

re: #269 Gus 802

More than one million in tax dollars for Obama to travel in luxury for a few days as he bashes Republicans. We're the ones getting taken for a ride. But don't expect that to be worth a story in the mainstream media.


Stone the 'black dandy!'

274 RadicalModerate  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:36:56pm

I see that Rush Limbaugh has decided to forego the dogwhistle altogether now.

Rush Limbaugh Likens President Obama to Oreo Cookie (Audio)

The radio host calls the Kraft snack “biracial,” and says it could be called the “Or-bam-eo.”

Outspoken radio host Rush Limbaugh has done it again.

What started out as news on a new Oreo from Kraft, which will have three layers of cookie, and two of cream – one white vanilla cream and one of chocolate cream – turned into a comment on President Barack Obama’s ethnicity.

“The triple double Oreo. You wait -- it isn’t going to be long until it’s called the Or-bam-eo or something like that,” said the conservative political commentator Limbaugh on Wednesday. “Well, it’s a biracial cookie here.”

Limbaugh then went on to mention Michelle Obama’s promotion of healthy eating. “The food industry responds with, ‘Oh, yeah? Take this.’ And Kraft comes up with the Or-Bam-eo, the triple double-dipper,” Limbaugh continued.

Limbaugh was referencing an article from The Chicago Tribune, which of course did not liken the cookies – which come out Wednesday -- to Obama or call the cookies “biracial.” Limbaugh has been criticized for comments that he’s made about race before.

In the same show, Limbaugh also calls Obama's bus tour "The White Like Me Tour."

275 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:38:32pm

re: #274 RadicalModerate

I see that Rush Limbaugh has decided to forego the dogwhistle altogether now.

Rush Limbaugh Likens President Obama to Oreo Cookie (Audio)

I saw that. He's such a clever satirist racist.

276 Four More Tears  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:38:37pm

re: #274 RadicalModerate

Wow.

277 Gus  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:42:32pm

Here's a video that should be more accessible than ABC News'.

Perry: Evolution a 'Theory That's Out There'

278 Kragar  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 1:56:01pm

re: #274 RadicalModerate

I see that Rush Limbaugh has decided to forego the dogwhistle altogether now.

Rush Limbaugh Likens President Obama to Oreo Cookie (Audio)

But don't call him racist.

279 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 3:42:00pm

re: #274 RadicalModerate

I see that Rush Limbaugh has decided to forego the dogwhistle altogether now.

Rush Limbaugh Likens President Obama to Oreo Cookie (Audio)

For those not clear on the reference...[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I wrote about this book, recently. [Link: ohcrapihaveacrushonsarahpalin.blogspot.com...]

280 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 3:42:59pm

re: #279 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Should have included this quote: "In the same show, Limbaugh also calls Obama's bus tour "The White Like Me Tour.""

281 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 5:03:57pm

re: #278 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But don't call him racist.

I'll call him a crypto-klansman instead, racist really isn't a strong enough word

282 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 6:53:28pm

Does Texas also teach creation myth from Hindu, Buddhist, Nordic, Inuit, Aztec, Mayan, Polynesian etc etc etc .... if not, then Perry is lying if he says they provide a choice.

The real choice is, Science or myth. If they teach myth, unless they provide "theory" in equal time from all such religious traditions, then by definition they are preferring one religion over another and therefore not interested in education, but indoctrination.

283 Areopagitica  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:25:11pm

I thought these tea-sackers were all about adhering to the text of the Constitution. So is it Perry's stance that he supports the 1st Amendment's separation of church and state until it becomes inconvenient to his party's dogma? Good god, what would the founders say to all this? My thoughts are that Thomas Jefferson would bitch slap Perry back into the Cambrian Period.


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