Is the GOP Smarter Than the Animal Kingdom?

Animal kingdom not waiting for verdict
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The world’s plants and animals are migrating as the climate changes.

“The more warming there’s been in an area, the more you would expect a species to move, and the more they have moved,” said Chris D. Thomas, a conservation biologist at the University of York in England, who led the work published Thursday in the journal Science. “This more or less puts to bed the issue of whether these shifts are related to climate change. There isn’t any obvious alternative explanation for why species should be moving poleward in studies around the world.”

The new analysis reexamined more than 100 previous studies to give a global picture of altitude shifts in 23 groups of plants and animals and latitude shifts in 31 groups.

Although Thomas and colleagues found great variation in how far individual species had shifted over the decades, a trend was clear. On average, species migrated uphill 36 feet per decade and moved away from the equator — to cooler, higher latitudes — at 10 miles per decade. These rates are two to three times faster than those estimated by the last major migration analysis, published in 2003.

“The bottom line is the same point we’ve been making for more than a decade,” said Camille Parmesan, an ecologist at the University of Texas at Austin who has documented the northward shift of butterflies in Europe but was not involved in the new study. “There is a very consistent response globally across groups of species. And the rate of this movement is probably accelerating.”

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449 comments
1 Kragar  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 7:43:42pm

Shouldn't they be waiting for an Ark?

2 Renaissance_Man  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 7:44:15pm

So if Republicans get their way, animals are moving to Canada?

Even more liberals!

3 theheat  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 7:50:14pm
On average, species migrated uphill 36 feet per decade and moved away from the equator — to cooler, higher latitudes — at 10 miles per decade.


Which is why it's so important to build the ark in Kentucky NOW! Plus it creates JOBS! Jobs for God!

4 jaunte  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 7:51:26pm

Migrate-Gate!

5 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 7:51:45pm

Did this study account for human growth at lower altitudes that might have forced the animals in question to move?

6 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 7:51:49pm

Winemakersd had seen this coming. They have records going back centuries. Especially France. The wine regions are moving north. Just another fact on the matter.

7 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 7:52:08pm

re: #6 Rightwingconspirator

PIMF Winemakers

8 Mocking Jay  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 7:52:43pm

Honey Badger don't give a shit.

9 jaunte  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 7:53:36pm
The mountain-dwelling pika of North America is a prime example. For most of the 20th century, these rodents moved upslope at an average of 43 feet per decade, historical surveys show. But since the late 1990s, the critters scurried upward far faster, climbing 475 feet per decade, researchers at the University of Nevada and elsewhere reported this year.


Not much mountain left for those little guys.

10 Mocking Jay  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 7:55:58pm

re: #9 jaunte

Okay, that is one incredibly adorable little critter.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

11 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 7:57:10pm

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I just paged a better reference on AGW and wine. Its from 2009.

12 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 7:58:31pm

Pfft what do animals know? They're socialists. On a serious note, I was watching Animal Planet before my dinner tonight and watching a special about jellyfish. Apparently, jellyfish have been skyrocketing in population and one of the factors that leads to high jellyfish populations is higher water temps. Plus, a lot of this was around China where as you know industry has been growing. The know nothing attitude on global warming by the GOP not only is wrong, it is dangerous.

13 jaunte  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 7:58:43pm

re: #10 JasonA

In the San Juan wilderness, you can hear them whistling as you hike by the talus slopes. (Above 10,000 feet).

14 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:04:20pm

The AGW deniers used to say that god would not allow any change in temperature or climate, then as evidence became harder to refute entirely they started to say that it was a natural cycle and anyway CO2 is good, and eventually they will simply come back to god and say it is because of the gays.

15 Gus  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:05:30pm

Can't you people see?! This is part of the overall plot of the Communistic internationalist environmentalists and the Democrat party! They are moving these animals and plants under cover of darkness in order to substantiate their bogus claims of climate change!!11ty Plant and animal migration are a librul conspiracy!!11ty The first place we must look is at the Department of Interior and Bureau if Wildlife! This wasn't happening until Barrack HUSSEIN Obama became prezdent!!11ty

16 b_sharp  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:06:08pm

Two species of ticks, Western Black Widow spiders, rattle snakes and scorpions have been moving north in Saskatchewan (betcha can't pronounce that sucker) over the last 30 years.

17 b_sharp  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:07:31pm

re: #15 Gus 802

What percentage of people who complain about lefties being communists and socialists actually know what those two terms mean?

18 Gus  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:08:58pm

re: #17 b_sharp

What percentage of people who complain about lefties being communists and socialists actually know what those two terms mean?

56/100ths. The other 99 and 44/100ths? Not so much.

19 Kragar  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:09:29pm

Fungal Disease Spreads Through Pacific Northwest

The most striking thing about this fungus is that it's popping up and establishing itself far afield from its usual range — possibly because of climate change.

"The disease was almost exclusively seen in tropical and subtropical areas of the world," says Dr. Julie Harris, a specialist in fungal diseases at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The hot spots were Australia and Papua New Guinea, along with Egypt and parts of South America.

"So it was really surprising in 1999 to find that in this temperate climate of Vancouver Island, people were getting sick with Cryptococcus gattii," says Harris.

It's a cousin of another fungus that is all too familiar to doctors who treat people with AIDS and organ transplants. This other bug, called Cryptococcus neoformans, causes a hard-to-treat brain infection in people with weakened immune systems. Globally it infects almost a million people a year and kills more than 620,000.

20 b_sharp  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:10:25pm

re: #18 Gus 802

56/100ths. The other 99 and 44/100ths? Not so much.

You are amazing. That's exactly what I was thinking.

OK, how many fingers am I holding up?

21 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:10:34pm

re: #17 b_sharp

What percentage of people who complain about lefties being communists and socialists actually know what those two terms mean?

Very little I imagine. Remember these are the same people who convince themselves that Adolph Hitler and the Nazi Party was leftist simply because it has the word socialist in it. To which I always retort, so the German Democratic Republic was a beacon of democracy huh. Or the fact that the Nazis first political prisoners were those on the left: Communists, trade labor members, Social Democrats, and while Jews as a whole aren't a left wing group, the Nazis associated them with the left and betrayal of the monarchy/military during WWI. But I digress.

22 Gus  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:12:14pm

re: #20 b_sharp

You are amazing. That's exactly what I was thinking.

OK, how many fingers am I holding up?

One. The bird finger. //

23 b_sharp  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:13:36pm

re: #21 HappyWarrior

(snip) But I digress.

I've been told there's a salve for that.

(your point was right on)

24 freetoken  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:13:43pm
On average, species migrated uphill 36 feet per decade and moved away from the equator — to cooler, higher latitudes — at 10 miles per decade.

And there is the problem - "per decade".

Human decision making is biased towards much shorter durations and much closer horizons.

We care about right now (hunger, thirst.)
We care about today or tonight (e.g., sex.)
We care about next Friday (e.g., the paycheck.)
We kind of, sort of, care about next year (e.g., April 15th and taxes.)

Next decade? Next century?

Sorry, but those are beyond our horizon.

25 kirkspencer  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:13:49pm

Actually, it confirms what amateurs have been noticing for the past couple decades -- a point I've raised before, though not (I think) in this forum.

Go to your gardening clubs. The serious ones keep records. Talk to them about planting seasons and zone-worthy plants. "I never used to be able to plant" vs "I used to be able to plant".

Lettuce is a great indicator, by the way. It needs that snap of cold, and if it gets too hot it bolts.

26 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:13:59pm

re: #16 b_sharp

Two species of ticks, Western Black Widow spiders, rattle snakes and scorpions have been moving north in Saskatchewan (betcha can't pronounce that sucker) over the last 30 years.

Those are so lethal pests. Especially the Black Widow.

27 b_sharp  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:14:32pm

re: #22 Gus 802

One. The bird finger. //

Man, you're good.

Now, what is next weeks winning LOTTO number?

28 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:15:09pm

re: #26 Dark_Falcon

Those are so lethal pests. Especially the Black Widow.

At least with the black widow you have to go out of your way to get it to bite you. They're surprisingly timid.

29 Gus  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:15:19pm

re: #16 b_sharp

Two species of ticks, Western Black Widow spiders, rattle snakes and scorpions have been moving north in Saskatchewan (betcha can't pronounce that sucker) over the last 30 years.

...

What teh hell we need 'em bugs fer? I have to save my God earned money in order to get an exterminatur to cum to ma house and get rid of those damn insects. Theys is bugs and pests and they can migrat up intos that socialist neighbor to the north teh People's Republica of Canada. Hell, send all 'em bugs to FRENCH Quebec. Heck we could use less bugs since we can't kill 'em since them libtards banned that there DDT! Why we might have less cases of mularia!!11ty

30 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:16:10pm

re: #23 b_sharp

I've been told there's a salve for that.

(your point was right on)

Thanks, it's all hilarious to me. My unofficial concentration in my history major is European history between 1900 and 1950. Nearly every professor and book I've had and read describes the Nazis as far rightists but I guess according to the nuts on the right, they're part of the "conspiracy" to "smear conservatives."

31 b_sharp  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:16:21pm

re: #26 Dark_Falcon

Those are so lethal pests. Especially the Black Widow.

We had the little buggers living by our BBQ last year. I've never heard of them living this far north before.

32 jaunte  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:17:09pm

re: #10 JasonA

Okay, that is one incredibly adorable little critter


Image: File:Ochotona_princeps_9482.JPG

This individual was at 603 metres (1,978 ft) in Mount Baker-Snoqualmie National Forest.
33 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:17:24pm

re: #28 Varek Raith

At least with the black widow you have to go out of your way to get it to bite you. They're surprisingly timid.

Just be careful where you put your hands. Also, wear gloves when doing yard work.
:)

34 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:17:50pm

re: #28 Varek Raith

At least with the black widow you have to go out of your way to get it to bite you. They're surprisingly timid.

True. Not true with the ticks. Those things will seek you out to drink your blood. Rattlesnakes have a good side, since they hunt rats. The bad news is that they'll go near your house to hunt them.

35 jaunte  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:18:10pm
36 b_sharp  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:18:22pm

re: #29 Gus 802

...What teh hell we need 'em bugs fer? I have to save my God earned money in order to get an exterminatur to cum to ma house and get rid of those damn insects. Theys is bugs and pests and they can migrat up intos that socialist neighbor to the north teh People's Republica of Canada. Hell, send all 'em bugs to FRENCH Quebec. Heck we could use less bugs since we can't kill 'em since them libtards banned that there DDT! Why we might have less cases of mularia!!11ty

Now you're channelling my dead neighbour.

37 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:18:46pm

re: #35 jaunte

Once more
Image: Ochotona_princeps_9482.JPG

I can haz cheeze???

38 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:19:32pm

re: #33 Varek Raith

Just be careful where you put your hands. Also, wear gloves when doing yard work.
:)

And if you get bit, call 911 right away. Black Widow bites can kill.

39 b_sharp  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:19:53pm

re: #33 Varek Raith

Just be careful where you put your hands. Also, wear gloves when doing yard work.
:)

I do, now.

40 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:20:09pm

re: #34 Dark_Falcon

True. Not true with the ticks. Those things will seek you out to drink your blood. Rattlesnakes have a good side, since they hunt rats. The bad news is that they'll go near your house to hunt them.

Saw a rattlesnake on Skyline Drive some years back. Scared the shit out of me.

41 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:23:18pm

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

And if you get bit, call 911 right away. Black Widow bites can kill.

Indeed.
[Link: www2.insidenova.com...]

42 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:26:29pm

re: #41 Varek Raith

Indeed.
[Link: www2.insidenova.com...]

Nerotoxins are the worst kind of poison. They literally shut your nervous system down. They inflict an immense amount of pain even in you survive.

43 alpuz  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:27:53pm

re: #35 jaunte

re: #35 jaunte

That rabbit's got a vicious streak a mile wide...
I'm warning you!

44 Firstinla  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:28:08pm

We usually get several rattlers each summer up here in the mountains and more than several other kinds of snakes. This summer we haven't seen a single snake, of any kind. Interestingly, about 30 miles up the road the folks are seeing them every day when they used to see none.

45 Alexzander  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:29:38pm

Evening everyone!

Here are some insights into racial and gender oppression from RedState regular poster 'Scope':

Here we go again with Fox Perry bashing
Scope Thursday, August 18th at 8:41PM EDT (link)
Everyone deserves a thorough vetting, but, not every male Republican deserves to have a proctology exam every day. Is it a white male thing, because I am really starting to think that.

And:

ps- I need to add to this
Scope Thursday, August 18th at 8:44PM EDT (link)
Baier had a segment today about how black males were not being hired back when they are laid off, but, whites, even with a criminal record have been hired back first. Fox has gone over to the liberals side. Now we have no TV media that is on our side.

Thanks Scope, for pointing out how oppressed millionaire able-bodied white males like Perry are on Fox News!

Here is the thread with the comments:
[Link: www.redstate.com...]

46 Gus  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:31:30pm

re: #45 Alexzander

Evening everyone!

Here are some insights into racial and gender oppression from RedState regular poster 'Scope':

And:

Thanks Scope, for pointing out how oppressed millionaire able-bodied white males like Perry are on Fox News!

Here is the thread with the comments:
[Link: www.redstate.com...]

"Scope" huh. 10 bucks says he's another one of them loonie "patriots".

47 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:31:55pm
48 austin_blue  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:32:19pm

“The bottom line is the same point we’ve been making for more than a decade,” said Camille Parmesan, an ecologist at the University of Texas at Austin who has documented the northward shift of butterflies in Europe but was not involved in the new study. “There is a very consistent response globally across groups of species. And the rate of this movement is probably accelerating.”

You will note that Pointy Boots was not a C student at UT. He's an Aggie!

Scientists' sole purpose in life is to get grants for research, rather provin' shit.

He said it. I believe. That settles it.

49 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:32:26pm

re: #46 Gus 802

"Scope" huh. 10 bucks says he's another one of them loonie "patriots".

Or he likes mouthwash.
/

50 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:33:01pm

re: #45 Alexzander

Evening everyone!

Here are some insights into racial and gender oppression from RedState regular poster 'Scope':

And:

Thanks Scope, for pointing out how oppressed millionaire able-bodied white males like Perry are on Fox News!

Here is the thread with the comments:
[Link: www.redstate.com...]

Jeez, something's wrong with you if you think Fox has a liberal bias.

51 b_sharp  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:34:08pm

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

And if you get bit, call 911 right away. Black Widow bites can kill.

This what we saw.
Image: 1RZQURHQDR40L0M0Z0I0DQI0Z0MQJRSQURJKFQLQNRHQFQ70FQ80FQ3KYQ40FQI0CQX0WRKQ3RHQJQRQBR50JQ70.jpg

I guess it's a northern, not a western BW.

52 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:34:10pm

re: #45 Alexzander

Evening everyone!

Here are some insights into racial and gender oppression from RedState regular poster 'Scope':

And:

Thanks Scope, for pointing out how oppressed millionaire able-bodied white males like Perry are on Fox News!

Here is the thread with the comments:
[Link: www.redstate.com...]

So Brett Baier honestly reports statistics and his reward is to be accused of having "gone over to the liberals"? Insanity is the only word that fits. Scope is clearly not willing to listen to anything but what he wants to hear.

53 jaunte  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:35:44pm

re: #46 Gus 802

Another trigger-happy nickname.

54 Gus  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:36:03pm

re: #49 Varek Raith

Or he likes mouthwash.
/

Right after he brushes his tooth.

Why I are gunna call myself Scope for ma sniper rifle that I use when is goin' librul huntin'. I am a ragin' animal of fury fighting off the librul and Moozlim hoards!!11ty

55 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:36:26pm

Damned liburl media, reporting facts.

56 Alexzander  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:36:30pm

re: #52 Dark_Falcon

So Brett Baier honestly reports statistics and his reward is to be accused of having "gone over to the liberals"? Insanity is the only word that fits. Scope is clearly not willing to listen to anything but what he wants to hear.

Yeah it is quite incredible that he didn't cite anything to suggest that the report was innacurate. His argument was:

1. Fox said black people have a harder time finding a job.
2. Fox news is biased.

An incredible display of racism if I ever saw one. Of course, everyone on RedState agreed - although I think some are uncomfortable criticising Fox News.

57 Gus  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:38:00pm

re: #53 jaunte

Another trigger-happy nickname.

No way. It's a name for his work as a micro-biologist. Short for microscope. Either that or he's an astronomer and uses a telescope daily.

//

58 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:38:27pm

It's typical of the mindset that exists with some. You're not allowed to mention discrimination against minority groups in this country but everyone's out to get you. Must suck to be "Scope" where paranoia strikes deep 24/7.

59 Gus  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:40:50pm

Only Communists and atheists use them microscopes and telerscopes. Science is of the debil. Just like all 'em high falutin elitist professurs at the community college down are street.

60 tnguitarist  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:43:07pm

On the subject of the thread; I have seen two armadillos in Tennessee this year. They may have been here but this is the first I've seen of them.

61 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:45:24pm

re: #12 HappyWarrior

Pfft what do animals know? They're socialists.

Bees live in self-organizing collectivist monarchies. AND THESE LITTLE WINGED HEXAPODAL FREEMASONS CONTROL OUR FOOD SUPPLY. And there are about 1 million ants for every human, and ant societies are PURELY COMMUNIST!!

62 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:46:25pm

re: #61 negativ

I heard that Karl Marx wrote Buzz Kapital.

63 b_sharp  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:46:36pm

'Night scaly ones.

BTW, it seems the yearly salamander migration is on. (I know, it's an amphib)

But it makes me curious - why did the salamander cross the road?

64 Interesting Times  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:47:22pm

Let's see...we have deadly spiders, mysterious fungal spores...what else can we add to the mix? I know! Rabies-spreading, blood-sucking vampire bats!

In the report, the CDC concluded that vampire bats may expand and migrate because of climate changes.
...
"Expansion of vampire bats into the United States likely would lead to increased bat exposures to both humans and animals (including domestic livestock and wildlife species) and substantially alter rabies virus dynamics and ecology in the southern United States," the CDC wrote.

65 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:47:32pm

re: #62 HappyWarrior

I heard that Karl Marx wrote Buzz Kapital.

-10 points.
:P

66 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:49:39pm

Lot's of thunder and lightning.
Thanks Rick Perry!

67 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:49:41pm

re: #60 tnguitarist

On the subject of the thread; I have seen two armadillos in Tennessee this year. They may have been here but this is the first I've seen of them.

It's funny but I haven't seen any Armadillos in Oklahoma.. So they exist here? Maybe they are hiding from my car..
It's going to be 107 degrees Friday.. I'm hating this.. We broke the all time record I think today for hot temps..Like 54 straight days of over 100 degrees temps in Norman.. Are you effen kidding me?

68 Gus  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:50:12pm

re: #61 negativ

Bees live in self-organizing collectivist monarchies. AND THESE LITTLE WINGED HEXAPODAL FREEMASONS CONTROL OUR FOOD SUPPLY. And there are about 1 million ants for every human, and ant societies are PURELY COMMUNIST!!

Little winged? So that's what that damn there hippie singer and prevert Jimmie Hendrix got them words fer his song "Little Winged". He was singing a song about those damn Communistic CONG in North Vietnam!!11ty I thinks it's code fer LEFT WING.

69 jaunte  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:50:52pm

re: #67 HoosierHoops

They're probably dug in deep.

70 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:52:10pm

re: #65 Varek Raith

-10 points.
:P

Haha yeah that sucked.

71 austin_blue  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:53:27pm

re: #67 HoosierHoops

It's funny but I haven't seen any Armadillos in Oklahoma.. So they exist here? Maybe they are hiding from my car..
It's going to be 107 degrees Friday.. I'm hating this.. We broke the all time record I think today for hot temps..Like 54 straight days of over 100 degrees temps in Norman.. Are you effen kidding me?

We were at 106 today. Tomorrow is supposed to be hot.

72 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:54:09pm

re: #67 HoosierHoops

It's funny but I haven't seen any Armadillos in Oklahoma.. So they exist here? Maybe they are hiding from my car..
It's going to be 107 degrees Friday.. I'm hating this.. We broke the all time record I think today for hot temps..Like 54 straight days of over 100 degrees temps in Norman.. Are you effen kidding me?

What's hell like???
Hot???
/Bad joke
:P

73 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:54:25pm

Evening all!

How bad does it have to be before YOU would do this?

How is everyone?

74 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:55:39pm

re: #63 b_sharp

'Night scaly ones.

BTW, it seems the yearly salamander migration is on. (I know, it's an amphib)

But it makes me curious - why did the salamander cross the road?

to get to the other side?

But how may does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

75 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:55:42pm

Whoa.
That crack of thunder sounded like a bomb.

76 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:55:42pm

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

And if you get bit, call 911 right away. Black Widow bites can kill.

Black Widows have an unnecessarily bad reputation. They are generally not aggressive at all, and as long as you don't go doing stupid things like sticking your fingers in dark, wet places without looking first**, it's relatively difficult to be bitten by a Black Widow. They eat pest insects like roaches, crickets, and certain wasps, and although they must be approached with a certain degree of respect, they should also be considered a beneficial species.

Also, deaths from Black Widow bites are very rare. Given an ultimatum, I'd rather be bitten by a Black Widow than by a Brown Recluse. The Brown Recluse is the only spider I have on my Kill-On-Sight list.

77 jaunte  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:55:58pm

re: #73 ggt

Following the incident, he said it was not alcohol related and was so desperate to use the facilities as he had drunk a litre bottle of water before boarding.


This is the very definition of piss-poor planning.

78 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:57:06pm

re: #76 negativ

Black Widows have an unnecessarily bad reputation. They are generally not aggressive at all, and as long as you don't go doing stupid things like sticking your fingers in dark, wet places without looking first**, it's relatively difficult to be bitten by a Black Widow. They eat pest insects like roaches, crickets, and certain wasps, and although they must be approached with a certain degree of respect, they should also be considered a beneficial species.

Also, deaths from Black Widow bites are very rare. Given an ultimatum, I'd rather be bitten by a Black Widow than by a Brown Recluse. The Brown Recluse is the only spider I have on my Kill-On-Sight list.

Yeah, the brown recluse is a scary one.
I've seen one in my lifetime and it was already dead.

79 laZardo  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:57:53pm

re: #2 Renaissance_Man

So if Republicans get their way, animals are moving to Canada?

Even more liberals!

And that was how furries were created.

/

//AAAHHH

80 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:58:21pm

re: #77 jaunte

This is the very definition of piss-poor planning.

better than piss-poor aiming.

81 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:58:40pm

re: #79 laZardo

And that was how furries were created.

/

//AAAHHH

Furries are liberal Canadians?
Huh, learn something new everyday!

82 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:58:56pm

re: #79 laZardo

And that was how furries were created.

/

//AAAHHH

I thought they were created by Mommy and Daddy furries--no?

83 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 8:59:32pm

re: #68 Gus 802

When I'm sad, she comes to me
With a thousand smiles, she gives to me free
It's alright she says it's alright
Take anything you want from me,
Anything.

HANDOUTS! REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH! WELFARE QUEENS! JOB CREATORS! JAWBS! jawbz!

84 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:00:02pm

On a serious note, Something positive happened in Illinois today.

Kudos to our governor.

85 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:00:04pm

re: #71 austin_blue

We were at 106 today. Tomorrow is supposed to be hot.

I hope you guys get rain..These temps are almost unbearable..It's been so long...
You know what is funny? I have a long walk to my car after work.. Sucks
I feel bad but I'm pretty sure I've used every bad word known to man for the last 2 months walking to my car
Crap! crap! crap! this is crap!
insert very bad words...:)

86 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:02:08pm

re: #64 publicityStunted

Let's see...we have deadly spiders, mysterious fungal spores...what else can we add to the mix? I know! Rabies-spreading, blood-sucking vampire bats!

Did Varek summon them?

87 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:03:08pm

re: #86 Dark_Falcon

Did Varek summon them?

PROFILING!
*Yes*

88 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:04:28pm

re: #84 ggt

On a serious note, Something positive happened in Illinois today.

Kudos to our governor.

Yes, Pat Quinn does get credit for this one. Hopefully the law stands up in court. The Phelps Cult is sure to challenge it.

89 aagcobb  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:05:14pm

re: #86 Dark_Falcon

Did Varek summon them?

Gawd has removed his shield protectin' murika cuz we're coddlin' teh gayz!1!1!!!!

90 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:05:42pm

Lol.
[Link: maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com...]
Putin and Medvedev.

91 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:07:21pm

re: #85 HoosierHoops

I hope you guys get rain

Tired of this crap!
Image: gp8AW.png

It rained for about 10 minutes last week, just enough to increase the humidity 2 or 3 per cent.

92 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:08:11pm

re: #91 negativ

Tired of this crap!
Image: gp8AW.png

It rained for about 10 minutes last week, just enough to increase the humidity 2 or 3 per cent.

that hurt my eyes.

Sorry you have to endure it.

93 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:09:07pm

Well obviously these plant and animal species do not know the love and reassurance that comes from a personal relationship with Jesus. If they did then they would know that they were simply destined to die and that trying to survive is futile. Whether or not man ruins the global climate is meaningless since we were given dominion over the earth by God. Plants and animals are ours to destroy as we see fit but God will never let his sheep flock suffer from their rampant destruction of the ecology!

///

94 Robert O.  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:09:38pm

I bet you those rodents and moths were paid to move by the same people who are currently paying scientists to manipulate climate data.

95 aagcobb  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:09:42pm

re: #91 negativ

Tired of this crap!
Image: gp8AW.png

It rained for about 10 minutes last week, just enough to increase the humidity 2 or 3 per cent.

Good thing Governor Goodhair realizes this is just a trick by those ebil, money-grubbing scientists. You can trust the Koch brothers that its just your imagination that its getting hotter.

96 jaunte  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:12:09pm

re: #94 Robert O.

I bet you those rodents and moths were paid to move by the same people who are currently paying scientists to manipulate climate data.

The truth is out there, in the rodent and moth email accounts.

97 danhenry1  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:12:20pm

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No, they will be raptured.

98 lostlakehiker  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:13:02pm

Yahoo News is dumber, anyhow.

article presents all the talking points, as if it were straight news and as if it were established fact that the whole thing was a hoax.

Perry's argument that there is less than meets the eye for global warming was buttressed by a couple of news items that seemed to [the author would like his readers to think] blow a hole in the theory. A recent NASA study revealed that far more heat was being released into space than had been predicted by global warming computer models, which suggested that heat was being trapped by carbon dioxide. Also, a scientist who once claimed that polar bears were drowning as a result of the melting of arctic ice had been put on leave, pending an investigation of "integrity issues."


Observation: scientists are mortals with mortal failings. Science, notwithstanding, manages to be an engine of truth. Frauds get unmasked. That's not a sign of weakness!

So much for the polar bear fraud.

Now, this business about a NASA study blah blah. No matter HOW BAD global warming gets, or how well it's mitigated, we will always have an near perfect energy balance: the solar energy that reaches the earth is going to go right back, one way or the other. What isn't reflected will be re-radiated as heat. (As infrared spectrum electromagnetic energy, that is.) If the CO2 layer is thick enough to "trap" more heat, the earth will simply warm up enough that, at the new temperature, it can emit however much it takes to stay in balance.

There was never any issue as to how much heat will be re-radiated. The same as always. Enough. As much as comes in.

The issue is, AT WHAT TEMPERATURE? At what frequency? Where is the emission curve's peak?

100 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:14:36pm

re: #96 jaunte

The truth is out there, in the rodent and moth email accounts.

FOLLOW . THE . MONEY

101 dell*nix  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:15:19pm

Anni Frid Lyngstad

Fire and Ice

102 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:17:03pm

Guess I should hit the sack..We have 107 degrees facing us in a few hours..
There was some good preseason Football on tonight..
Once the Season starts I'll put up some football pages.. You'll need to view just to catch all the legal trash talking..
Are you ready for some football?
Be well Lizards

103 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:18:57pm

re: #102 HoosierHoops

Guess I should hit the sack..We have 107 degrees facing us in a few hours..
There was some good preseason Football on tonight..
Once the Season starts I'll put up some football pages.. You'll need to view just to catch all the legal trash talking..
Are you ready for some football?
Be well Lizards

Try sleep while it is a little cooler.

104 lostlakehiker  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:21:54pm

re: #9 jaunte

Not much mountain left for those little guys.

Pika, that is.

Indeed. I've seen it, in a lifetime of hiking the Rockies. Treeline is also migrating upslope, though since trees take a very long time to grow at treeline, the progression is slower.

Mountains that used to be windbreaker plus sweater jobs are now sometimes shirtsleeve mountains. (They seem steeper and taller, too, but maybe that's just me.)

:-)

Mornings that used to require a fire, or some sort of heat, are now just a respite from the 90 degree temperatures that build up in the PM when down around 8000 feet.

Whole forests are dying of pine beetle disease. With winters as cold as winters normally were, the beetles would not survive the harsher ones. With summers as moderate as summers normally were, the trees could manufacture enough sap. Not now.

There is going to be a firestorm in Rocky Mountain National Park one of these days. Too much fuel is building up. If nothing else provides the spark, lightning will.

105 danhenry1  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:24:01pm

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

And if its a Brown Spider....you'd better have pre-called.

106 austin_blue  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:25:23pm

re: #77 jaunte

This is the very definition of piss-poor planning.

Ah! The seven Ps. Proper prior planning prevents piss poor performance.

107 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:25:57pm

re: #105 danhenry1

And if its a Brown Spider...you'd better have pre-called.

I don't like any bug. I really don't like spiders.

I especially don't like BIG spiders.

I wouldn't even think of watching Arachniphobia.

108 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:26:58pm

re: #106 austin_blue

Ah! The seven Ps. Proper prior planning prevents piss poor peepee performance

9 actually

:0

109 Gus  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:28:17pm

re: #98 lostlakehiker

Yahoo News is dumber, anyhow.

article presents all the talking points, as if it were straight news and as if it were established fact that the whole thing was a hoax.


Observation: scientists are mortals with mortal failings. Science, notwithstanding, manages to be an engine of truth. Frauds get unmasked. That's not a sign of weakness!

So much for the polar bear fraud.

Now, this business about a NASA study blah blah. No matter HOW BAD global warming gets, or how well it's mitigated, we will always have an near perfect energy balance: the solar energy that reaches the earth is going to go right back, one way or the other. What isn't reflected will be re-radiated as heat. (As infrared spectrum electromagnetic energy, that is.) If the CO2 layer is thick enough to "trap" more heat, the earth will simply warm up enough that, at the new temperature, it can emit however much it takes to stay in balance.

There was never any issue as to how much heat will be re-radiated. The same as always. Enough. As much as comes in.

The issue is, AT WHAT TEMPERATURE? At what frequency? Where is the emission curve's peak?

Facepalm. Yeah. Here's another one by this genius...

Bachmann's $2 a Gallon Gas Promise Politically Astute, Doable
Mark Whittington
Mark Whittington, Yahoo! Contributor Network

Yep. 2 dollar a gallon gasoline. Not only politically astute but doable!

110 Kragar  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:28:45pm

re: #107 ggt

I don't like any bug. I really don't like spiders.

I especially don't like BIG spiders.

I wouldn't even think of watching Arachniphobia.

OH HAI!

111 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:29:12pm

re: #110 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OH HAI!

You are mean!

112 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:30:10pm

re: #109 Gus 802

I don't want to think about the changes that would have to happen for gas to be $2 a gallon. I'm not that smart. I have a feeling it has to do with domestic drilling and pandering to Texas Politicians.

113 austin_blue  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:31:10pm

re: #78 Varek Raith

Yeah, the brown recluse is a scary one.
I've seen one in my lifetime and it was already dead.

Brown Recluse bite progression:

[Link: www.your-inner-voice.com...]

Nasty as a honeybadger!

114 Kragar  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:31:22pm

re: #111 ggt

You are mean!

A buddy of mine stumbled into ones web wile on patrol in Oki. It ended up scuttling across his face and up into his hair and helmet.

115 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:32:03pm

Seriously tho, how many jobs would be produced with domestic production of gas?

How many in the law industry? I can just imagine the environmental law suits.

116 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:32:25pm

re: #114 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

A buddy of mine stumbled into ones web wile on patrol in Oki. It ended up scuttling across his face and up into his hair and helmet.

Such a nice thought. Thanks for that.

117 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:33:35pm

re: #113 austin_blue

Brown Recluse bite progression:

[Link: www.your-inner-voice.com...]

Nasty as a honeybadger!

Honey Badger wouldn't give a shit. He'd just eat that spider and keep on keepin' on.

118 Kragar  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:34:12pm

re: #116 ggt

Such a nice thought. Thanks for that.

You're welcome.

119 Gus  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:34:16pm

re: #112 ggt

I don't want to think about the changes that would have to happen for gas to be $2 a gallon. I'm not that smart. I have a feeling it has to do with domestic drilling and pandering to Texas Politicians.

She might as well say "vote for me and I'll buy you a new car." Not gonna happen.

120 austin_blue  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:35:03pm

re: #85 HoosierHoops

I hope you guys get rain..These temps are almost unbearable..It's been so long...
You know what is funny? I have a long walk to my car after work.. Sucks
I feel bad but I'm pretty sure I've used every bad word known to man for the last 2 months walking to my car
Crap! crap! crap! this is crap!
insert very bad words...:)

I have become adept at using all of my anglo-saxon multi-syllabic phrases. At some point, it becomes an Om-like chant whenever I find myself outside after 3 pm. Oh, and as a bonus my AC in my car died this week.

Lovely.

121 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:35:10pm

re: #119 Gus 802

She might as well say "vote for me and I'll buy you a new car." Not gonna happen.

Well, there seem to be voters who would believe that.

122 freetoken  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:35:33pm

re: #119 Gus 802

She might as well say "vote for me and I'll buy you a new car." Not gonna happen.

Oprah?

123 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:36:37pm

re: #120 austin_blue

I have become adept at using all of my anglo-saxon multi-syllabic phrases. At some point, it becomes an Om-like chant whenever I find myself outside after 3 pm. Oh, and as a bonus my AC in my car died this week.

Lovely.

supercalifragilisticexpialidocious?

Please get your air fixed if you can, I don' want you to pass-out from the heat while driving.

124 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:36:53pm

re: #98 lostlakehiker

More from this author:

[Link: www.associatedcontent.com...]

[Link: www.associatedcontent.com...]

125 jaunte  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:37:48pm

re: #109 Gus 802


Texas resident Mark Whittington writes about state issues for the Yahoo! Contributor Network.


As a fully accredited Texas resident, Mark Whittington's opinion pieces for Yahoo are just as credible, well-sourced, and reliable, as... any other fantasy random opinion from a Texas resident Alex Jones.

126 lostlakehiker  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:38:31pm

re: #93 ausador

Well obviously these plant and animal species do not know the love and reassurance that comes from a personal relationship with Jesus. If they did then they would know that they were simply destined to die and that trying to survive is futile. Whether or not man ruins the global climate is meaningless since we were given dominion over the earth by God. Plants and animals are ours to destroy as we see fit but God will never let his sheep flock suffer from their rampant destruction of the ecology!

///

What about that bit about keeping and tending the earth? Is that injunction "no longer operative"?

For those who choose a life of faith, sincerity requires taking that sort of thing seriously. The faithful don't get to cherry pick which commandments count and which don't. Lapses, well, good religious people are also mortal with mortal failings and nobody has any right to get all huffy about religion when, inevitably, some good Christian/Jew/Muslim/etc. gets drunk and cusses. Or falls for another woman/man/whatever.

But global warming is different. Decisions to wreck the whole earth, taken with cool deliberation and pursued even without the spur of temptation to earthly delights might, logic suggests, be judged rather firmly upstairs. And we fellow mortals here in this realm need not cut quite so much slack either.

Lying about matters of life and death for billions of people, just to get some votes? That's reprehensible, to say the least. And if the speaker is himself deluded, but is famous and has a real shot at the presidency or other high office, that's no excuse. With a bit of an open mind and a week or two of serious, sincere talks with the kinds of experts that would be more than happy to go into patient and careful detail on the matter, he could clear up his ignorance. If he doesn't, it's because he doesn't want to.

As to those who choose to rely on reason, well, human reason is weak and error prone. It requires enormous discipline to think halfway straight about even, say, chess. Quick and dirty reasoning about momentous issues is not reasoning, it's just bias confirmation all dressed up.

127 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:39:37pm

I like to know all viewpoints. So, I get the Townhall emails. You know, they can be educational. LIke yesterday, I learned that I could donate to help Crazy Pammy out of her legal troubles.

Today, I got one that promised to tell me the 37 items I should hoard. The link took me to a site called soldoutaftercrisis.com. Then some voice started talking and I cut the link.

I never learned what the 37 items were. The voice scared me.

128 Gus  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:41:05pm

re: #121 ggt

Well, there seem to be voters who would believe that.

A sucker is born every minute. And in the case of Bachmann fans there's probably several million in the USA.

129 austin_blue  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:41:36pm

re: #104 lostlakehiker

Pika, that is.

Indeed. I've seen it, in a lifetime of hiking the Rockies. Treeline is also migrating upslope, though since trees take a very long time to grow at treeline, the progression is slower.

Mountains that used to be windbreaker plus sweater jobs are now sometimes shirtsleeve mountains. (They seem steeper and taller, too, but maybe that's just me.)

:-)

Mornings that used to require a fire, or some sort of heat, are now just a respite from the 90 degree temperatures that build up in the PM when down around 8000 feet.

Whole forests are dying of pine beetle disease. With winters as cold as winters normally were, the beetles would not survive the harsher ones. With summers as moderate as summers normally were, the trees could manufacture enough sap. Not now.

There is going to be a firestorm in Rocky Mountain National Park one of these days. Too much fuel is building up. If nothing else provides the spark, lightning will.

But, but Pointy Boots says there is no definitive proof on AGW! It must be so.

Because Rick is an Aggie C student and the definitive voice on all things scientifical.

130 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:42:15pm

re: #129 austin_blue

But, but Pointy Boots says there is no definitive proof on AGW! It must be so.

Because Rick is an Aggie C student and the definitive voice on all things scientifical.

Indeed.

131 dragonath  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:43:54pm

re: #124 negativ

More from this author:

[Link: www.associatedcontent.com...]

[Link: www.associatedcontent.com...]


I like this one.

It's like a trip to the Teabagger Id.

132 Gus  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:44:24pm

re: #124 negativ

More from this author:

[Link: www.associatedcontent.com...]

[Link: www.associatedcontent.com...]

Super genius! He has a BA in history. He knows what he's talking about.

//

133 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:44:51pm

re: #128 Gus 802

A sucker is born every minute. And in the case of Bachmann fans there's probably several million in the USA.

Oh Gawd. She bugs the crap out of me. Worse than Palin.

At least Palin doesn't spout the "submissive to your husband" crap.

134 lostlakehiker  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:45:11pm

re: #112 ggt

I don't want to think about the changes that would have to happen for gas to be $2 a gallon. I'm not that smart. I have a feeling it has to do with domestic drilling and pandering to Texas Politicians.

We could drill all we wanted and it wouldn't much budge the market price of oil. Global demand is too big for little finds, like say another Alaskan North Slope, to move the price.

The rise of China and India, and the continued improvement of engines, means that fuel can do more work, and engines can be had for cheaper. In other words, oil is more valuable than it used to be. Also, there's more people who can afford to bid for it.

Where else can prices go, but up? And that's without even getting into the matter of inflation, as in, more dollars chasing not much more goods.

135 freetoken  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:45:53pm

re: #133 ggt

At least Palin doesn't spout the "submissive to your husband" crap.

The issue did, however, get raised during the 2008 campaign.

136 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:46:44pm

re: #134 lostlakehiker

We could drill all we wanted and it wouldn't much budge the market price of oil. Global demand is too big for little finds, like say another Alaskan North Slope, to move the price.

The rise of China and India, and the continued improvement of engines, means that fuel can do more work, and engines can be had for cheaper. In other words, oil is more valuable than it used to be. Also, there's more people who can afford to bid for it.

Where else can prices go, but up? And that's without even getting into the matter of inflation, as in, more dollars chasing not much more goods.

demand high + supply low = price high. no?

The gubernet would have to subsidize the market for the price to go that low --like in Iran. That would mean -- more taxes . . .

137 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:47:03pm

re: #135 freetoken

The issue did, however, get raised during the 2008 campaign.

I actually don't remember that.

138 freetoken  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:47:05pm

re: #134 lostlakehiker

I keep telling myself I need to write up a master Page full of facts about "oil"; just this week even the latest EIA report showed excellent evidence that "drill here, drill now" is quite confused economically.

139 freetoken  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:47:42pm

re: #137 ggt

I've linked to it a couple of times here since then.

Conservative (fundamentalist) preachers raised the issue about Palin.

140 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:48:33pm

re: #126 lostlakehiker

For those who choose a life of faith, sincerity requires taking that sort of thing seriously. The faithful don't get to cherry pick which commandments count and which don't.

Image: pffttchhchhh.png

141 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:51:02pm

re: #139 freetoken

I've linked to it a couple of times here since then.

Conservative (fundamentalist) preachers raised the issue about Palin.

I really think we f--ked-up big time in not electing Hillary. It will be a long time before a female politician of her caliber will bother trying to be POTUS. There doesn't seem to be the national confidence necessary for a qualified female to get elected.

Which makes us a chauvinistic nation. That saddens me.

142 Gus  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:52:28pm
143 freetoken  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:53:03pm

re: #141 ggt

Well, Hillary comes with her own set of baggage.

There are some fine politicians who are female, but yes, they never seem to rise to the top. The few who make it seem to get on longevity (Pelosi) since women outlive men (e.g., wives replacing dead husband governors).

It's a man's world out there.

144 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:53:51pm

re: #142 Gus 802

Image: nytimes_gasoline_price.jpg

So, there is no rational to the price of gas that can be explained by a single bullet explanation?

145 jaunte  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:54:35pm

re: #144 ggt

China is using a lot more of it now.

146 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:55:23pm

re: #143 freetoken

Well, Hillary comes with her own set of baggage.

There are some fine politicians who are female, but yes, they never seem to rise to the top. The few who make it seem to get on longevity (Pelosi) since women outlive men (e.g., wives replacing dead husband governors).

It's a man's world out there.

That puts us behind the UK, India and a few other countries (I can't remember right now).

I don't agree that it's a man's world. It's a perception we have to evolve past.

147 freetoken  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:56:19pm

re: #145 jaunte

So are the OPEC nations - as their economies and populations have increased so has their internal petroleum consumption.

148 Gus  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:56:31pm

re: #144 ggt

So, there is no rational to the price of gas that can be explained by a single bullet explanation?

The constants seems to be any Middle East crisis or as result of OPEC manipulations. We saw a spike after 9/11. Now the spike is due to the "Arab spring" and everything else going on there.

149 freetoken  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:56:38pm

re: #146 ggt

Israel, Germany, Brazil...

150 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:58:37pm

The world is changing very fast, people are reacting with fear.

They want what makes them feel safe, the myth of the perfect past and a Daddy or Mommy figure in the White House.

sad. sad. sad

151 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:00:25pm

re: #148 Gus 802

The constants seems to be any Middle East crisis or as result of OPEC manipulations. We saw a spike after 9/11. Now the spike is due to the "Arab spring" and everything else going on there.

Really, I still think it has to do with "what the market will bear". If they could justify $8 gallon, they would do it.

It's the shareholders that matter, not the buyers.

152 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:01:18pm

re: #131 dragonath

I like this one.

It's like a trip to the Teabagger Id.

There is a Teabagger, Idaho?

153 Gus  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:02:14pm

re: #151 ggt

Really, I still think it has to do with "what the market will bear". If they could justify $8 gallon, they would do it.

It's the shareholders that matter, not the buyers.

That too of course. They always over compensate when they raise the retail gasoline prices. You would think their profits would remain near normal but the reverse is true. Like in 2008 when gasoline prices skyrocketed. They set record profits at the same time.

154 Gus  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:03:09pm
155 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:03:42pm

re: #153 Gus 802

That too of course. They always over compensate when they raise the retail gasoline prices. You would think their profits would remain near normal but the reverse is true. Like in 2008 when gasoline prices skyrocketed. They set record profits at the same time.

The price of gas is so incredibly complex, to me anyway. I can't imagine one or two graphs that could explain it. Or show any truly meaninful trends.

156 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:05:59pm

re: #141 ggt

I really think we f--ked-up big time in not electing Hillary. It will be a long time before a female politician of her caliber will bother trying to be POTUS. There doesn't seem to be the national confidence necessary for a qualified female to get elected.

Which makes us a chauvinistic nation. That saddens me.

Hillary damn near won the primary, and only lost because of issues relating to integrity (the sniper fire story), recanting her stance on MI & FL, and policy (her Iraq war vote.) Dismissing the caucus states didn't help her either, but it was damned close. I do think now that she'd have been a more effective President in that she'd have faced less rabid opposition, just because there are more women in America than blacks with foreign fathers and funny names. She'd have been harder to marginalize and hate for many, more difficult to obstruct. She still would have faced a ridiculous level of irrational opposition, but Obama has been a kind of perfect storm for generating pure insanity among social conservatives.

157 freetoken  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:08:58pm

re: #151 ggt

Really, I still think it has to do with "what the market will bear".

Always the case in a "free market".

re: #148 Gus 802

Now the spike is due to the "Arab spring" and everything else going on there.


The loss of Libyan oil has only been compensated by (1) slow economic "recovery" around the world, (2) marginally higher output by a few nations (including the US.)

158 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:09:15pm

re: #156 goddamnedfrank

Hillary damn near won the primary, and only lost because of issues relating to integrity (the sniper fire story), recanting her stance on MI & FL, and policy (her Iraq war vote.) Dismissing the caucus states didn't help her either, but it was damned close. I do think now that she'd have been a more effective President in that she'd have faced less rabid opposition, just because there are more women in America than blacks with foreign fathers and funny names. She'd have been harder to marginalize and hate for many, more difficult to obstruct. She still would have faced a ridiculous level of irrational opposition, but Obama has been a kind of perfect storm for generating pure insanity among social conservatives.

Obama's election certainly has been an education. I've learned more about people in general and people I know since 2008. Perhaps that is what we needed as a country. I think a lot of us (well, me) thought we were better than we are as far as "Chrisitan Values".

We haven't come nearly far enough.

159 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:13:45pm

re: #149 freetoken

Israel, Germany, Brazil...

Kinda sad (seems to be my theme for the night) the US hasn't been a leader in this area. It doesn't seem to be a unique phenom. , even for the non-Western World.

160 Gus  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:13:54pm

re: #155 ggt

The price of gas is so incredibly complex, to me anyway. I can't imagine one or two graphs that could explain it. Or show any truly meaninful trends.

People expect all president to have a magic wand. After 9/11 prices started to climb. Bush had nothing to do with setting gasoline prices. Right now, in the previous months, it was ME turmoil. Obama had nothing to do with setting gasoline prices. The amount of oil we could dredge up in the state is negligible and like all commodities it will go to the highest bidder. Domestically produced oil will still be subject to commodities markets pricing. They're not going to sell it for less. Right now, contrary to what the Republicans are saying, Obama is not standing in the way of Texas oil shale development. The moratorium in the Gulf was put in place for good reason. That moratorium was already lifted late last year.

161 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:14:18pm

Sorry I was gone but Firefox froze on me. I'm going to head to bed.

162 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:14:53pm

re: #160 Gus 802

Bb,b,b,b,but, I thought the POTUS controlled the Economy--no?

/gah

163 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:15:18pm

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

Sorry I was gone but Firefox froze on me. I'm going to head to bed.

Night DF.

weet dreams.

164 Gus  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:15:22pm

re: #157 freetoken

Always the case in a "free market".

re: #148 Gus 802

The loss of Libyan oil has only been compensated by (1) slow economic "recovery" around the world, (2) marginally higher output by a few nations (including the US.)

You know how it goes though. All they need to raise futures is simple fear of what may happen. So no actual loss of production is even required.

165 dell*nix  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:16:33pm

Anni Frid Lyngstad

Saltwater

166 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:20:16pm

Off topic: there really needs to be an IQ test associated with the sale of red threadlocker. Spent way too much time today undoing a jackasses pointless idiocy with a soldiering iron and impact driver.

167 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:20:58pm

re: #166 goddamnedfrank

Off topic: there really needs to be an IQ test associated with the sale of red threadlocker. Spent way too much time today undoing a jackasses pointless idiocy with a soldiering iron and impact driver.

I absolutely agree!

(What did he say?)

168 Gus  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:22:10pm

And I promise you, if elected, cigarettes will be 25 cents a pack once again and newspapers will go for nickle. You'll also be able to buy a 2 story Victorian in downtown Denver, Colorado for $4,000.

Vote for me on November 4th.

//

169 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:25:56pm

re: #167 ggt

I absolutely agree!

(What did he say?)

Never met the dude, but I assume something along the lines of "why are you firing me?"

170 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:26:23pm

re: #168 Gus 802

And I promise you, if elected, cigarettes will be 25 cents a pack once again and newspapers will go for nickle. You'll also be able to buy a 2 story Victorian in downtown Denver, Colorado for $4,000.

Vote for me on November 4th.

//

No, there will be no smoking, people will be healthy by decree and all the badness will go away.

/

171 Gus  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:27:49pm

re: #170 ggt

No, there will be no smoking, people will be healthy by decree and all the badness will go away.

/

Tree nuts will be banned and all hot dogs will come pre-sliced to prevent choking hazards.

Everyone on TV will be perfect.

//

172 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:29:20pm

re: #171 Gus 802

Tree nuts will be banned and all hot dogs will come pre-sliced to prevent choking hazards.

Everyone on TV will be perfect.

//

There will be no TV except Christian Channels.

Polar Bears will flourish and the lion will sleep with the lamb (outside it's stomach).

173 dragonath  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:34:42pm

re: #152 ggt

There is a Teabagger, Idaho?

Oh God, I hope not.

Google tells me there's a Tea, SD, tho.

174 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:35:52pm

re: #173 dragonath

Oh God, I hope not.

Google tells me there's a Tea, SD, tho.

Sounds ominous.

175 freetoken  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:36:26pm

re: #168 Gus 802

And I promise you, if elected, cigarettes will be 25 cents a pack once again and newspapers will go for nickle. You'll also be able to buy a 2 story Victorian in downtown Denver, Colorado for $4,000.

//

... and you won't have to worry about paying the sewer bill as your outhouse will be all yours... and you'll get to grind your own flour from wheat you've grown (tax free!*) in your own back yard...

*Minus, of course, the 10% tithe of the wheat you'll pay to your local church...

176 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:38:53pm

re: #175 freetoken

... and you won't have to worry about paying the sewer bill as your outhouse will be all yours... and you'll get to grind your own flour from wheat you've grown (tax free!*) in your own back yard...

*Minus, of course, the 10% tithe of the wheat you'll pay to your local church...

Usury as defined by the Bible will be reinterpreted to mean no less than 10%. Tax-exempt status will only apply to Christian Churches and Charities of certain sects.

177 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:41:35pm

re: #157 freetoken

Always the case in a "free market".

re: #148 Gus 802


The loss of Libyan oil has only been compensated by (1) slow economic "recovery" around the world, (2) marginally higher output by a few nations (including the US.)

I think the argument goes something like:


But it's not a Free Market. The gubernet interferes too much, causing the price to go up.

Which, in theory, I can understand. In practice, not so much.

178 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:42:44pm

I have to sleep, have a busy day tomorrow.

I will leave you with something beautiful, not sad.

Weet Dreams all!

179 Gus  Thu, Aug 18, 2011 10:45:19pm

Not busy tomorrow but just the same... Good night folks.

180 freetoken  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 12:05:46am
181 freetoken  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 1:30:23am
182 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 2:02:28am

Morning Honcos. (I don't think there is anyone here)

183 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 2:11:44am

I wonder if these people who protested at a CEO's house had any kind of permit to assemble in front of his house. I'm betting "no". Dude needs to upgrade his sprinkler system.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

184 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 2:22:06am

Why does Varek hate us????
/
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

185 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 2:29:33am

Holy Shit!!! A father and son are thrown from their truck in head on collision and live!!!
[Link: www.break.com...]

186 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 2:34:52am

re: #185 Cannadian Club Akbar

Ok. Not exactly head on. But I'm betting it still sucked.

187 researchok  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 2:43:23am

Morning, all

188 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 2:57:11am

re: #187 researchok

Morning, all

Good thing we showed up or CCA would still be rambling on talking to himself.

189 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 2:57:30am

Which headline is better here?
If you tax it, someone will find away around it.
OR
Screwing big tobbakie and the gubment!!!

Big Tobacco companies and state lawmakers have complained roll-your-own retailers are essentially selling customers cartons of cigarettes, yet they aren't being regulated or taxed the same as those who sell cartons of Marlboros or Kools.

Heh.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

190 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 2:58:09am

re: #188 RogueOne

Good thing we showed up or CCA would still be rambling on talking to himself.

At least I would be having an intelligent conversation.

191 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:03:38am

Think about this the next time you fly.
[Link: www.jaunted.com...]

Also, the chick in the pic near the bottomis kinda hot.

192 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:05:46am

re: #188 RogueOne

Good thing we showed up or CCA would still be rambling on talking to himself.

You're all figments of my imagination.

193 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:10:25am

re: #191 Cannadian Club Akbar

Think about this the next time you fly.
[Link: www.jaunted.com...]

Also, the chick in the pic near the bottomis kinda hot.

'Morning, all. I remember when flying was fun and exciting. (Ozark airlines DC-3.)

194 researchok  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:17:46am

The post on antisemitism is a real eye opener. One of the best I've come across.

This is the first time I've pimped a new post but it really is worth the read.

195 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:18:00am

re: #193 Decatur Deb

'Morning, all. I remember when flying was fun and exciting. (Ozark airlines DC-3.)

One of these???
Image: Da-Vinci-Airplane.jpg

196 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:18:50am

re: #193 Decatur Deb

'Morning, all. I remember when flying was fun and exciting. (Ozark airlines DC-3.)

When I was 8, my mom changed my younger brother on a flight. I tucked the used diaper in the corner of the seat and forgot it was there when we landed.
In 2000, I got Phil Espisito's autograph (Hockey Hall of Famer) in LAX. I forgot that when we landed. (was a red eye and I was drinking) I tucked it into the pouch on the seat in front of me.
Magical Balance Fairy and all that.

197 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:20:45am

re: #196 Cannadian Club Akbar

When I was 8, my mom changed my younger brother on a flight. I tucked the used diaper in the corner of the seat and forgot it was there when we landed.
In 2000, I got Phil Espisito's autograph (Hockey Hall of Famer) in LAX. I forgot that when we landed. (was a red eye and I was drinking) I tucked it into the pouch on the seat in front of me.
Magical Balance Fairy and all that.

Man, she screwed you big time.
:P

198 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:22:15am

re: #194 researchok

José Saramago, the Portuguese winner of the 1998 Nobel Prize in literature, sang a similar tune in 2002 when he announced that the Israeli blockade of Ramallah was “in the spirit of Auschwitz.… This place is being turned into a concentration camp.”

Did Arafish like his work?

199 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:22:19am

re: #195 Varek Raith

One of these???
Image: Da-Vinci-Airplane.jpg

Found one in Ozark paint:

Image: dc3.jpg

There was an insrinctive 'rightness' about the great planes of that age.

200 researchok  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:22:46am

re: #198 Cannadian Club Akbar

José Saramago, the Portuguese winner of the 1998 Nobel Prize in literature, sang a similar tune in 2002 when he announced that the Israeli blockade of Ramallah was “in the spirit of Auschwitz.… This place is being turned into a concentration camp.”

Did Arafish like his work?

And then some

201 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:23:21am

re: #196 Cannadian Club Akbar

When I was 8, my mom changed my younger brother on a flight. I tucked the used diaper in the corner of the seat and forgot it was there when we landed.
In 2000, I got Phil Espisito's autograph (Hockey Hall of Famer) in LAX. I forgot that when we landed. (was a red eye and I was drinking) I tucked it into the pouch on the seat in front of me.
Magical Balance Fairy and all that.

Wouldn't be so bad if the cleaning crew recognized it--most likely just went in the bin.

202 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:24:03am

re: #201 Decatur Deb

Wouldn't be so bad if the cleaning crew recognized it--most likely just went in the bin.

Or!
Some guy/gal is laughing at CCA.
/

203 Winny Spencer  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:25:01am
204 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:25:17am
205 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:25:40am

re: #201 Decatur Deb

Wouldn't be so bad if the cleaning crew recognized it--most likely just went in the bin.

I actually had 3 autographs. One for me, one for my brother and one for a friend. Was in a 3x5 spiral binded notecard thingy.

206 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:26:34am

re: #203 Winny Spencer

Garofalo: Herman Cain "Being Paid To Run," Has Stockholm Syndrome

What a despicable racist she is.


Yep, she's a bitch.

Herman Cain used a line from the Pokemon theme song as inspiration.
He's alright in my book.
XD

207 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:30:57am

re: #205 Cannadian Club Akbar

I actually had 3 autographs. One for me, one for my brother and one for a friend. Was in a 3x5 spiral binded notecard thingy.

"Learn to embrace the pain, and let it go--Here, tear up this stack of 3x5 cards, one by one."

208 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:32:13am

re: #203 Winny Spencer


When Communist U.S.S.R. was a superpower, the world was better off. The right-wing media is trying to marginalize the peace movement.
Janeane Garofalo

209 Winny Spencer  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:36:39am

She should be a regular feature on Bathtub Boy's failed show.

210 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:37:00am

re: #205 Cannadian Club Akbar

I actually had 3 autographs. One for me, one for my brother and one for a friend. Was in a 3x5 spiral binded notecard thingy.

When Mrs Deb was a teenager in Grafenwoehr, she got SGT Presley's autograph--has no idea where it went.

211 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:40:30am

re: #210 Decatur Deb

Did you marry a german or was she an army brat?

212 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:41:29am

This could turn out to be interesting. Warren V. Brown:

Warren forms Senate exploratory committee
[Link: www.boston.com...]

213 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:42:31am

re: #211 RogueOne

Did you marry a german or was she an army brat?

Armor brat--she has two OCONUS tours on me, first got to Germany as a 5 yr old in '53.

214 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:44:15am

re: #213 Decatur Deb

Armor brat--she has two OCONUS tours on me, first got to Germany as a 5 yr old in '53.

'53. Those had to be interesting times.

215 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:45:32am

re: #214 RogueOne

'53. Those had to be interesting times.

Yeah--she was forward again when the Wall went up.

216 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:47:11am

re: #212 RogueOne

Warren's website has a donation linky and a sign up for email thingy but nothing in regards to her stance on stuff.

217 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:48:48am

re: #216 Cannadian Club Akbar

Warren's website has a donation linky and a sign up for email thingy but nothing in regards to her stance on stuff.

She's still in the "listening tour" stage. Brown is polling well but she would be a tough opponent.

218 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:49:09am

re: #216 Cannadian Club Akbar

Warren's website has a donation linky and a sign up for email thingy but nothing in regards to her stance on stuff.

Should just post clips from her Stewart/Colbert appearances--worked for me.

219 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:54:03am

re: #217 RogueOne

She's still in the "listening tour" stage. Brown is polling well but she would be a tough opponent.

She should buy a bus and jump the Grand Canyon.

220 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:55:14am

re: #219 Cannadian Club Akbar

She should buy a bus and jump the Grand Canyon.

Tough School Marm beats Sexy Librarian every time.

221 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:56:47am

re: #220 Decatur Deb

Tough School Marm beats Sexy Librarian every time.

Maybe when running for the senate but otherwise, no.

222 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:59:49am

I give you another Mother of the Year candidate.
[Link: baltimore.cbslocal.com...]

223 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:00:42am

re: #222 Cannadian Club Akbar

I give you another Mother of the Year candidate.
[Link: baltimore.cbslocal.com...]

You two all set for Saturday Nights bar hopping date?

224 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:02:04am

re: #222 Cannadian Club Akbar

I saw that. I can't believe they released her so quickly. In IN if you're picked up for anything alcohol related they keep you a minimum of 12 hours, to sober you up, before they start to even process you.

225 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:03:24am

re: #223 sattv4u2

You two all set for Saturday Nights bar hopping date?

Yes. I've also made reservations at a local dumpster to sleep behind.

226 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:03:46am

re: #203 Winny Spencer

Garofalo: Herman Cain "Being Paid To Run," Has Stockholm Syndrome

What a despicable racist she is.

At least she said it on Olbermans show

I mean,, it's not like anyone was watching!

227 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:04:37am

re: #224 RogueOne

I saw that. I can't believe they released her so quickly. In IN if you're picked up for anything alcohol related they keep you a minimum of 12 hours, to sober you up, before they start to even process you.

Longest 12 hours of your life, wasn't it!
/

228 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:04:39am

re: #225 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yes. I've also made reservations at a local dumpster to sleep behind.

I had a friend 20+ years ago who passed out beside a dumpster. He woke up with cops, ambulances and paramedics looking over him. Heh.

229 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:05:15am

re: #227 sattv4u2

Longest 12 hours of your life, wasn't it!
/

He had a dance partner. Makes the time go by faster.

230 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:05:37am

I was on this job when they built the ferry slips and installed the Bailey bridges. Shot video of the demolition, pretty awesome shit.
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
The ferry is free, the leaves will be changing soon, anyone for a roadtrip!?
Ever have yours eyelids freeze together? That is how cold it was building the slips, not to mention the wind off the lake.

231 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:06:46am

re: #230 Shropshire_Slasher

I was on that ferry in 1986. My friend still lives in Burlington, or Essex Junction.

232 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:06:52am

Puppycide justice!

Family gets $333,000 for 2009 raid in which cops killed dog
[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]


A federal jury awarded $333,000 to a Chicago family Thursday after Chicago police officers raided its South Side home with guns drawn and shot its dog in a search that found no criminal activity in the apartment.

Teenage brothers Thomas and Darren Russell were in their second-floor apartment in the 9200 block of South Justine Street in February 2009 when officers announced they had a warrant to search both units of the two-flat. Thomas Russell, then 18, opened the door and found officers with their guns drawn, according to the lawsuit. Russell said that he put his hands in the air and asked permission to lock up his 9-year-old black Labrador, Lady, before they entered.

Police refused the request and came into the house, the lawsuit said. When Lady came loping around the corner with her tail wagging, Officer Richard Antonsen shot the dog, according to the suit, which alleged excessive force, false arrest and illegal seizure for taking the dog's life.

233 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:07:36am

re: #228 Cannadian Club Akbar

I had a friend 20+ years ago who passed out beside a dumpster. He woke up with cops, ambulances and paramedics looking over him. Heh.

heh,, Dennys used to have a meal called a Pizza Omelet

An omelet with pepperoni, peppers, onions, covered in tomato sauce and topped with melted cheese

Friend of mine ordered one after a night of hard drinking
He passed out on top of it

Woke up with two cops staring down at him

Lifted his head up and the cheese made a trail from his cheek to the omelet

"Son,, I think you better come with us"

234 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:07:42am

re: #227 sattv4u2

Longest 12 hours of your life, wasn't it!
/

Not me but I've picked up multiple friends after their fun.

235 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:08:27am

re: #230 Shropshire_Slasher

anyone for a roadtrip!

Bags are always packed at the ready

236 sod  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:09:24am

re: #232 RogueOne

Not enough.

237 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:10:20am

re: #235 sattv4u2


anyone for a roadtrip!

Bags are always packed at the ready

Your wifey makes sure of that.

238 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:13:53am

I can almost smell the apple cider mmmgood

239 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:15:16am

re: #232 RogueOne

Puppycide justice!

Family gets $333,000 for 2009 raid in which cops killed dog
[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]

I feel for the cops on the scene a little bit, but when they give you permission to pull a gun some level of competence should go with it. The statement of the PD rep says no lesson was learned.

240 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:16:23am

Sasha Barren Cohen's brother. He was just on my radio. Night/day and all that.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

241 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:16:56am

re: #237 Cannadian Club Akbar

BTW ,,,was there an NFL football game played in your neck of the woods last night!?!?

:)

242 sod  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:17:27am

re: #232 RogueOne

If someone barged into my house and shot my lab, I'm not sure they'd be leaving under their own power.

Image: IMG_1842_(Large).jpg

243 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:17:53am

re: #241 sattv4u2

BTW ,,,was there an NFL football game played in your neck of the woods last night!?!?

:)

Yea. But it's pre season. Plus, if you take away 17 points, it was a tie.
/

244 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:20:26am

re: #239 Decatur Deb

I feel for the cops on the scene a little bit, but when they give you permission to pull a gun some level of competence should go with it. The statement of the PD rep says no lesson was learned.

It's become a bit of a habit. If I really looked I could find 4 or 5 stories a week where the same thing happens. There are times when it's justified but it seems, to me at least, that cops are inordinately afraid of dogs no matter the size or breed.

245 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:21:58am

re: #244 RogueOne

It's become a bit of a habit. If I really looked I could find 4 or 5 stories a week where the same thing happens. There are times when it's justified but it seems, to me at least, that cops are inordinately afraid of dogs no matter the size or breed.

Beware: Cujo!!

246 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:24:30am

re: #244 RogueOne

It's become a bit of a habit. If I really looked I could find 4 or 5 stories a week where the same thing happens. There are times when it's justified but it seems, to me at least, that cops are inordinately afraid of dogs no matter the size or breed.

By saying the police acted properly, the PD spokeswoman just said that shooting the dog is SOP. The hammer should fall on the people who plan, direct, and G2 these situations, not necessarily on the guys who have to make a 1/2 second decision.

247 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:25:41am

re: #242 sod

If someone barged into my house and shot my lab, I'm not sure they'd be leaving under their own power.

Image: IMG_1842_(Large).jpg

I've mentioned that one of my best friends is an officer and I've had that conversation with his co-workers at various parties. It's never happened there as far as anyone knows and it's only happened once in my town and ironically the dog ended up in my backyard.

248 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:29:06am

re: #245 Cannadian Club Akbar

Beware: Cujo!!

This happened earlier this year:

Sheriff's deputy resigns after shooting pet dog
[Link: www.kfvs12.com...]


Sheriff Leo McElrath says Deputy Kelly Barks arrested the man at the scene, and then got his permission to search the residence.

When Barks went inside, she saw the man's three dogs growling at her. She thought one of them bit her, shot him, and went outside. After realizing she was fine, she went back into the residence where McElrath says the dog was still acting aggressive, so she shot him again. The dog then went into his kennel, where she shot and killed him.

But the aggressive dog, probably isn't what you would think.

"When I found out the dog that was shot was a Chihuahua, I really was upset," said McElrath.

And so were a number of other people.

249 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:34:25am

re: #248 RogueOne

Her freakin' name is Barks. Sheesh. You can't write this stuff.

250 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:34:50am

BBL

Off to the back cracker

251 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:35:27am

re: #250 sattv4u2

BBL

Off to the back cracker

back quack.

252 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:38:26am

re: #251 RogueOne

back quack.

I used to think that

But I had a rotator cuff problem 8 years ago
Two options

Surgery// Chiro

Chose the latter saying if that didn't work, I'd go under the knife. After a total of a dozen sessions (which included physical therapy set up by the chiro) and about two months of home exercises, haven;t had an issue with the shoulder since

253 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:38:51am

OUTS

254 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:38:57am

Animals don't have mortgages. They can move any time they feel like it.

Stupid animals.

255 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:40:26am

Interesting piece on Gov. Perry and his actions re: the Willingham case and the DP in general:

[Link: www.theagitator.com...]


Back in 2007, the Grits for Breakfast blog noted that Williamson County, Texas, District Attorney John Bradley gave some curious advice on a discussion board to another prosecutor. The other prosecutor was asking about how to construct a plea agreement in a way that would forfeit any future right to DNA testing. Bradley responded, “Innocence, though, has proven to trump most anything.” How unfortunate! He then added:

"A better approach might be to get a written agreement that all the evidence can be destroyed after the conviction and sentence. Then, there is nothing to test or retest. Harris County regularly seeks such agreements."

Destroying evidence is an odd way to seek justice, especially given how many “slam dunk” cases and convictions based on false confessions have later been overturned after DNA testing.

Read the rest. It gets better/worse....

256 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:40:37am

re: #252 sattv4u2

Chiropody is a bogus bunch of crap, in that it claims all or most human suffering, disease, etc. can be healed with spinal manipulation.

The way Chiropractors actually usually work, however, is just fixing back problems, at which they're just slightly worse than normal masseuses and physical therapists. The only thing they do that's really bad is the neck stuff, which raises your chance of stroke.

257 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:41:00am

re: #256 Obdicut

chiropractic, not chiropody. Poot.

258 iossarian  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:45:49am

re: #255 RogueOne

Interesting piece on Gov. Perry and his actions re: the Willingham case and the DP in general:

[Link: www.theagitator.com...]

Destroying evidence is an odd way to seek justice, especially given how many “slam dunk” cases and convictions based on false confessions have later been overturned after DNA testing.

Read the rest. It gets better/worse...

It takes balls to cover up your past mistakes by destroying evidence.

259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:46:08am

re: #256 Obdicut

Chiro-voodo (it's what my family Dr. calls it) changed my life.

After the Orthopedic Surgeon reviewed my x-rays, showed me the deformity in my spinal column, (transverse process malformed, pressing on a nerve) and told me there's nothing that can be done. No surgery... just a series of exercises that would strengthen the area surrounding the owie.

Twenty sessions with Chiropractor and I was fine for fifteen years. Went back, a few sessions, I'm better again.

I don't care if it was full-bore quackery. Helped me.

260 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:46:58am

re: #258 iossarian

Virginia executed a guy last night.

261 iossarian  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:47:22am

re: #260 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Virginia executed a guy last night.

Just to watch him die?

262 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:47:38am

re: #260 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Virginia executed a guy last night.

Was that the one where they used the new cocktail?

263 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:49:30am

re: #261 iossarian

Just to watch him die?

But she was lying in bed at the time and confronted Jackson. She told him to take what he wanted and leave, but he held a pillow against her face until she stopped screaming, raping her at the same time.

Not exactly.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

264 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:51:09am

re: #259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian


Twenty sessions with Chiropractor and I was fine for fifteen years. Went back, a few sessions, I'm better again.

I don't care if it was full-bore quackery. Helped me.

Nah, you didn't get me. Chiropractors claim that all diseases, including cancer, diabetes, etc., are all caused by the nervous system and all, or most, can be treated with spinal manipulation.

However, people in general feel this is total bullshit, so they only go to see chiropractors, in general, with problems with their spines etc. So, chiropractors both get experience with spinal stuff and have some actual training and expertise in the area.

So I'm unsurprised that a chiropractor helped with problem with the spine. But that's not chiropracy.

265 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:51:24am

re: #263 Cannadian Club Akbar

After killing Phillips, Jackson left the apartment through a back window with $60. He stole Phillips' car and used the money to purchase marijuana

266 iossarian  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:51:26am

re: #263 Cannadian Club Akbar

But she was lying in bed at the time and confronted Jackson. She told him to take what he wanted and leave, but he held a pillow against her face until she stopped screaming, raping her at the same time.

Not exactly.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

Crazy stuff.

It's still a waste of money to execute people (given the legal process that's often involved) not to mention the awful possibility of getting it wrong (even though that's very unlikely here).

267 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:52:46am

re: #266 iossarian

I think to keep someone locked up is in the hundreds of thousands as opposed to execution which runs in the millions.

268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:53:02am

re: #262 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yes. He raped and murdered a 88 year old woman. As he was raping her he suffocated her.

This was not a case where the back story led me to be more sympathetic toward the perp.

I was distraught to find, as I began to read about it, that I was hoping the guy and the victim were white. He was black, she was white... shit...

269 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:54:15am

re: #259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, and I'm glad that your back got better.

270 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:54:36am

I'm finally motivated enough to get on the road. Enjoy the day people!

271 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:54:37am

re: #264 Obdicut

Oh, sure.

"You have diphtheria? We'll crack you bones!"
-Eddie Izzard

272 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:55:22am

re: #269 Obdicut

Oh, and I'm glad that your back got better.

His back actually got better because they started putting cakes at the store at eye level.
///

273 iossarian  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:56:05am

re: #272 Cannadian Club Akbar

His back actually got better because they started putting cakes at the store at eye level.
///

kapow

274 iossarian  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 4:56:50am

re: #271 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, sure.

"You have diphtheria? We'll crack you bones!"
-Eddie Izzard

Haha, I'd forgotten about that Izzard bit. I have to watch some of his stuff again.

275 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:00:42am
276 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:01:31am

re: #274 iossarian

"So I had to see a chiropractor in New York, they're different to osteopaths; because of the spelling."
-Eddie Izzard

277 Winny Spencer  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:02:55am

This has to be a new low, even for CNN:

278 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:06:13am

re: #264 Obdicut

I had bronchitis once when I had a chiropractic appointment. The Chiropractor said he could help with that.

I laughed in his face. Hard.

Felt kind of bad; but he didn't offer to fix things like that any more for me.

279 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:09:11am

Morning all!

I love this!

How is everyone?

280 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:10:27am

re: #276 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"So I had to see a chiropractor in New York, they're different to osteopaths; because of the spelling."
-Eddie Izzard

That joke points out a very unfortunate confusion of terms. While there are quacky "restricted osteopaths' out there, a kind of mainstream MD (osteopathic physician) also sometimes uses the term. The best sane MD I ever had came from that background.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

281 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:12:03am

re: #280 Decatur Deb

That joke points out a very unfortunate confusion of terms. While there are quacky "restricted osteopaths' out there, a kind of mainstream MD (osteopathic physician) also sometimes uses the term. The best sane MD I ever had came from that background.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

We have Osteopaths in a lot of the hospitals in Chicagoland. I've never had a bad experience with one.

282 iossarian  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:13:01am

re: #279 ggt

Morning all!

I love this!

How is everyone?

That's cool! (The sniffer dog thing.) I also liked the recent news about the experimental treatment for leukemia involving a modified (non-harmful) HIV strain that was seemingly able to destroy the cancerous cells (very small trial so far, but they will presumably be working to scale it up now).

Science, it works, etc.

283 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:13:56am

re: #278 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I had bronchitis once when I had a chiropractic appointment. The Chiropractor said he could help with that.

I laughed in his face. Hard.

Felt kind of bad; but he didn't offer to fix things like that any more for me.

Federal Workers' Compensation law allows billing from chiropractors for 2-3 extremely limited services, involving manipulating the neck/back, IIRC.

284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:14:04am

re: #280 Decatur Deb

It's comedy, Deb. It's okay.

285 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:16:37am

A good Chiropractor can do a lot with gait and balance issues. They can even clear your sinuses, if your sinus cavities are restricted because of neck/jaw issues (which I've had at times). Same with headaches and other "pain issues".

But Cancer?

ah, NO.

286 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:16:57am

re: #284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It's comedy, Deb. It's okay.

Yeah-- I just hate the confusion. Rewards bad guys and punishes good guys. I don't know why the serious docs don't find better language.

287 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:17:08am

re: #283 Decatur Deb

Federal Workers' Compensation law allows billing from chiropractors for 2-3 extremely limited services, involving manipulating the neck/back, IIRC.

I had BC/BS years ago and they let you go to a chiropractor and filed it under preventive medicine. They would also pay if I saw a shrink. (shoulda taken them up on that, heh)

288 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:17:58am

I feel terrible that I just saw the bench clearing brawl in China Friendship Games with Georgetown.

Chinese players are total thugs. In China they've found a way to combine hockey and basketball.

289 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:18:32am

Most INSANE car commercial ever!
(Professional driver & a bunch of CGI special effects. DO NOT try this at home, boys and girls)

290 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:19:09am

re: #288 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I feel terrible that I just saw the bench clearing brawl in China Friendship Games with Georgetown and laughed.

Chinese players are total thugs. In China they've found a way to combine hockey and basketball.

Forgot that little part.

291 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:19:19am

re: #282 iossarian

That's cool! (The sniffer dog thing.) I also liked the recent news about the experimental treatment for leukemia involving a modified (non-harmful) HIV strain that was seemingly able to destroy the cancerous cells (very small trial so far, but they will presumably be working to scale it up now).

Science, it works, etc.

But, it's ok to teach Creationism in schools because kids are smart enough to figure it out which is correct.

Fox News spent a whole lot of time dissing the Mom in the interview for feeding her kid the questions, instead of pointing out the illegality of teaching Creationism in public schools.

But that's OK, he is a Republican.

292 iossarian  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:20:18am

re: #286 Decatur Deb

Yeah-- I just hate the confusion. Rewards bad guys and punishes good guys. I don't know why the serious docs don't find better language.

August 19, 2011: Qualified medical doctors who can treat your back pain decide to relabel themselves "dorsalists" to avoid confusion with quacks.

August 20, 2011: "US School of Specialized Dorsalism" opens. Main office, PO Box 231, Dagsboro, Delaware. Branch campuses in Florida, Arizona. Chief Specialist Dorsalist: "Dr. Mike".

293 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:22:16am

re: #292 iossarian

August 19, 2011: Qualified medical doctors who can treat your back pain decide to relabel themselves "dorsalists" to avoid confusion with quacks.

August 20, 2011: "US School of Specialized Dorsalism" opens. Main office, PO Box 231, Dagsboro, Delaware. Branch campuses in Florida, Arizona. Chief Specialist Dorsalist: "Dr. Mike".

294 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:22:45am

re: #278 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I had bronchitis once when I had a chiropractic appointment. The Chiropractor said he could help with that.

I laughed in his face. Hard.

Felt kind of bad; but he didn't offer to fix things like that any more for me.

Spinal Manipulation won't cure a viral or bacterial infection. It can however open your thoracic spine and allow for better breathing, if that part of your spine and ribs are restricted. I've yet to find anything a Chiropractor can do that a Physical Therapist can't also do. And PT is often covered at a better rate than Chiropractors on Insurance. It all depends.

Oh, the things I've learned from having spine problems over the years . . .

295 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:23:09am

re: #292 iossarian

Yeah--there's that.

296 iossarian  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:23:11am

BTW, here's the link for the HIV-based cancer treatment experiment, for those interested:

[Link: science.slashdot.org...]

297 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:23:40am

re: #292 iossarian

August 19, 2011: Qualified medical doctors who can treat your back pain decide to relabel themselves "dorsalists" to avoid confusion with quacks.

August 20, 2011: "US School of Specialized Dorsalism" opens. Main office, PO Box 231, Dagsboro, Delaware. Branch campuses in Florida, Arizona. Chief Specialist Dorsalist: "Dr. Mike".

Sounds like they treat dolphins.

298 iossarian  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:24:31am

re: #297 ggt

Sounds like they treat dolphins.

Only specialized dorsalists can treat your dolphin.

299 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:24:58am

15 years ago a Neurologist told my husband that they are going to find lots of cures coming out of HIV/AIDS research. Simply because so much funding was headed that direction.

300 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:25:09am

re: #298 iossarian

Only specialized dorsalists can treat your dolphin.

Ah!

301 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:25:33am

re: #298 iossarian

Only specialized dorsalists can treat your dolphin.

They need a practical porpoise.

302 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:27:22am

re: #301 Decatur Deb

They need a practical porpoise.

It depends if the sea-faring mammals have insurance!

303 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:28:25am

re: #302 ggt

It depends if the sea-faring mammals have insurance!

OrcaCare.

304 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:28:38am

A good acupuncturist can do wonders as well, with pain and stress related issues.

They can, also, clear your sinuses.

305 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:29:03am

re: #303 Decatur Deb

OrcaCare.

That sounds like a dental plan.

306 iossarian  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:29:58am

re: #305 ggt

That sounds like a dental plan.

A specialized dorsalist can also work on your teeth (for an extra fee).

307 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:30:18am

I love blackened dolphin.
(wonder how long this will take)

308 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:30:38am

Both Chiropractors and Physical Therapists can give a damn good massage.

Gotta go, Lizards,

Have a Great Morning!

309 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:32:43am

Morning Lizardim. Happy Friday to all from the wild north country.

310 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:36:12am

We should all fear this woman.
[Link: www.nbcbayarea.com...]

311 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:42:30am

Good news. Syria's crackdown on protesters ends. Not.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

312 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 6:01:34am

Skool district will send home drug test for parents. Heh.

“It gives my kids a way out to say, ‘Hey. I could be tested for drugs at any time. No thank you. I can’t,’” Randy Stoner, a school board member, said.

[Link: pittsburgh.cbslocal.com...]

313 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 6:09:36am

re: #312 Cannadian Club Akbar

Skool district will send home drug test for parents. Heh.

“It gives my kids a way out to say, ‘Hey. I could be tested for drugs at any time. No thank you. I can’t,’” Randy Stoner, a school board member, said.

[Link: pittsburgh.cbslocal.com...]

Ha ha, his name is STONER.

314 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 6:11:11am

re: #311 Cannadian Club Akbar

Good news. Syria's crackdown on protesters ends. Not.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

"Hey guys, stop the violence this time. I really mean it." Go ahead and shoot as many as you like, I don't need to know about it.
/Whoops, did I say that last part out loud?

315 Achilles Tang  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 6:37:24am

re: #307 Cannadian Club Akbar

I love blackened dolphin.
(wonder how long this will take)

Me too. That's Mahi Mahi by the way.

316 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 6:40:53am

re: #311 Cannadian Club Akbar

Good news. Syria's crackdown on protesters ends. Not.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

Nothing to see here. Move on. All is calm. /

Welcome to the distorted worldview of Bashar Assad, who has no problem lying to the world media, just as he lies to his own people in a bid to remain in power for as long as he sustains a breath. He's said a few times that the crackdown has ended, even as his security forces crack skulls and murder people who have the audacity to protest Assad's regime and call for him to step down.

Eight people were killed in the latest bit after the crackdown supposedly ended. And the UN is now taking claims that Assad's regime is engaging in war crimes a bit more seriously.

Even as Turkey is moving away from backing Assad's regime, here comes Russia to thwart any more serious measures. They want more time to be given, even though all Assad has done since the protests began was murder anyone opposing his regime and used the crackdowns in various cities as an example of what happens when you stand up to his regime.

317 iossarian  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 6:44:48am

re: #315 Naso Tang

Me too. That's Mahi Mahi by the way.

Favorite New Yorker cartoon ever: Boutros Boutros-Ghali and Yo-Yo Ma at a restaurant.

BBG: How's the Mahi Mahi?

Waiter: So-so.

YYM: I'll have couscous.

318 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 6:47:17am

re: #282 iossarian

That's cool! (The sniffer dog thing.) I also liked the recent news about the experimental treatment for leukemia involving a modified (non-harmful) HIV strain that was seemingly able to destroy the cancerous cells (very small trial so far, but they will presumably be working to scale it up now).

Science, it works, etc.

Probably cheaper than a CAT scan since sometimes it's real hard to schedule the cat away from its nap times.

319 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 6:51:22am

Good morning Lizards from always sunny Philadelphia.

Nature provided some nice auxilary lighting last night as a series of thunderstorms rolled through. Not consistent enough to read by however.

Feeling almost like football handegg season with watching some Steeler-Eagle preseason action last night. Perry may be "Goodhair" but the hair to fear is that of Troy Polamalu. (Polamalu-cules! Now there is science with a difference!)

And a fun day (and weekend) here at work. Building power shutdown this evening until Sunday, so I have an appointment with the server rack at 4:30pm to shut everything down and then 7am Sunday to start everything back up and make sure it is working. Fun Fun Fun.

320 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 6:54:50am

re: #318 oaktree

Probably cheaper than a CAT scan since sometimes it's real hard to schedule the cat away from its nap times.

Well done. Really. That was a good one to come back to after a short stint of doing real work.

321 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 6:55:11am

A FB friend posted a comment on one of his friend's post. It shows kids throwing a kitten into a basketball hoop from half court. The vid was pulled by youtube (obviously). Pretty fucking sick.

322 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 6:56:01am

re: #319 oaktree

And a fun day (and weekend) here at work. Building power shutdown this evening until Sunday, so I have an appointment with the server rack at 4:30pm to shut everything down and then 7am Sunday to start everything back up and make sure it is working. Fun Fun Fun.

I've had some good times with shutting down servers and having them not start back up again when I hit the switch. Makes for some interesting times, scrambling for a new power supply to get the machine back on its feet.

323 iossarian  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 6:58:38am

Private transport operators extract $500M from UK economy:

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

You can get 6 months for taking $5 of bottled water, but if you take $500M you get a knighthood.

324 makeitstop  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:02:02am

Mornin', Lizards. This story started my day off right.

“We have clear information that . . . tax cuts, especially to the super rich, has not increased any more jobs,” one man told him. “I want to know under what conditions you would be willing to consider increasing taxes, especially on those who can afford it? ”

“I just have one question for you tonight,” said another. “Did you sign Grover Norquist’s pledge to never raise taxes?” — referring to the promise that has been signed by most congressional Republicans, including Hultgren.

“Don’t you have the confidence in your own ability in Congress to make up your own mind? You need Grover Norquist to tell you?” the man continued.

Between this and that video of The Walking Dude's 'abstinence works' video fail, it's a pretty good day already.

325 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:04:21am

re: #322 thedopefishlives

I've had some good times with shutting down servers and having them not start back up again when I hit the switch. Makes for some interesting times, scrambling for a new power supply to get the machine back on its feet.

Yep. My career path has taken an interesting side turn with this assignment to support infrastructure here in the building. Gives me two managers to report to now and I get to learn all the little ins-and-outs of handling server racks and videoconferencing equipment in a superficial manner. (Though I am not primary support since there is a contractor that does that. I mainly get used to take deliveries and sign paperwork. But I am picking up the basics so that I can help out and answer questions in a semi-intelligent manner.)

And I still do my other job of supporting a few databases and a series of application interfaces. IT is fun, except when it's not. ;)

326 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:06:11am

re: #321 Cannadian Club Akbar

A FB friend posted a comment on one of his friend's post. It shows kids throwing a kitten into a basketball hoop from half court. The vid was pulled by youtube (obviously). Pretty fucking sick.

Is the aversion therapy for this loading the miscreant into a trebuchet and tossing them a few hundred feet into a river?

Oh wait, that's probably some sort of ride in an amusement park somewhere...

327 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:20:50am

re: #323 iossarian

Private transport operators extract $500M from UK economy:

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

You can get 6 months for taking $5 of bottled water, but if you take $500M you get a knighthood.

Nothing illegal about raising fares to get more profits, nor should there be. You can think the owners assholes, but they are within their rights.

As for the bottle of water, I think 6 months is an appropriate sentence, given that it happened during a riot. You need to throw rioters in jail in order to make clear that their actions will not be tolerated. It's about being part of a riot, not the bottle of water.

328 Big Steve  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:22:21am

Regarding Governor Perry....I am beginning to wonder if his constant references to "how things are done in Texas" will begin to grate on Republican primary voters in other states? I know that in business if someone has been hired from a different company, I just hate to hear "this is how we used to do it at my previous company" comments. Just wondering and hoping.

329 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:26:37am

re: #327 Dark_Falcon

Nothing illegal about raising fares to get more profits, nor should there be. You can think the owners assholes, but they are within their rights.

As for the bottle of water, I think 6 months is an appropriate sentence, given that it happened during a riot. You need to throw rioters in jail in order to make clear that their actions will not be tolerated. It's about being part of a riot, not the bottle of water.

Punishment-happy con attitude. It's THEIR RIGHT to price gouge me!

330 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:28:04am

re: #328 Big Steve

Regarding Governor Perry...I am beginning to wonder if his constant references to "how things are done in Texas" will begin to grate on Republican primary voters in other states? I know that in business if someone has been hired from a different company, I just hate to hear "this is how we used to do it at my previous company" comments. Just wondering and hoping.

A lot depends on how the idea or process is being presented. "How things are done in XXX" can be a useful indication of how a successful process works elsewhere (which therefore might or might not be applicable since conditions vary.) Or can come across as a smarmy "you are idiots since it is obvious you need to do things this way". It can also run afoul of the dreaded NIH (Not Invented Here) Syndrome where every wheel must be re-invented.

A lot depends on how you view the presenter. Is he trying to be helpful? Or being a pompous jerk?

331 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:28:16am

re: #324 makeitstop

Mornin', Lizards. This story started my day off right.

Between this and that video of The Walking Dude's 'abstinence works' video fail, it's a pretty good day already.

[Video]

Those are great questions in that quote.

These stupid cons are more loyal to a few dumb bigots' pledges than they are to their own country. Those are exactly the ones to scream everyone else is treasonous.

332 iossarian  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:28:39am

re: #327 Dark_Falcon

Nothing illegal about raising fares to get more profits

Correct. This is currently the legal situation.

nor should there be.

This is a moral judgement, with which I disagree. Say you had a monopoly on some resource. Should there be a law preventing you from charging a high price for that resource? I believe there should (and indeed monopoly law exists for this purpose, though it doesn't apply in the case of the transport companies because conservative/neo-liberal politicians wrote the law to favor the monopolists).

I mean, I think it's astounding that people could have no problem with a legal situation where transport owners can leverage monopolies on routes to take $500M out of the economy, while $5 of bottled water gets you 6 months in jail.

And incidentally, there is nothing particularly "legal", and indeed in the US you might well call it "unconstitutional" for the legislative body to advise the judiciary on what constitutes "appropriate" sentencing in the case of civic unrest, which is what has happened in the UK.

333 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:30:46am

re: #330 oaktree

A lot depends on how you view the presenter. Is he trying to be helpful? Or being a pompous jerk
As you (correctly) state

Eye of the Beholder

334 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:32:57am

It's been a few years since I've been through Heathrow but I'm looking forward to seeing this....
Pod Cars Make Their Debut At Heathrow Airport

335 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:33:05am

Since the subject is animals and I can't post a YouTube video I will just post lyrics. From the mind of David Byrne:

I'm mad...And that's a fact
I found out...Animals don't help
Animal think...They're pretty smart
Shit on the ground...See in the dark.

They wander around like a crazy dog
Make a mistake in the parking lot
Always bumping into things
Always let you down down down down.

They're never there when you need them
They never come when you call them
They're never there when you need them
The nevere come when you call them down down down down.

I know the animals...Are laughing at us
They don't even know...What a joke is
I won't follow...Animal's advice
I don't care...If they're laughing at us.

They're never there when you need them
They never come when you call them
They're never there when you need them
The nevere come when you call them down down down down.

They say they don't need money
They're lvinign on nuts and berries
They say animals don't worry
You know animals are hairy?
They think they know what's best
They're making a fool of us
They ought to be more careful
They're setting a bad example
They have untroubled lives
They think everything's nice
They like to laugh at people
They're setting a bad example
(Go ahead) Laugh at me.

:)

336 Interesting Times  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:33:15am

re: #329 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Punishment-happy con attitude. It's THEIR RIGHT to price gouge me!

The Divine Right of Kings Corps

337 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:33:34am

DAMN!!

A Roslindale teenager and his mother were fatally shot this month after the youth appeared at a courthouse where investigators wanted him to testify before a grand jury looking into a homicide

[Link: www.boston.com...]

338 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:33:38am

re: #329 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Punishment-happy con attitude. It's THEIR RIGHT to price gouge me!

It's called Private Property. The railroad's owners have the right to set the prices for their services. I fear profit-hungry owners far less than I do the government that would try to "protect" me from them. But that's part of why I'm a conservative.

340 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:35:57am

re: #334 Killgore Trout

It's been a few years since I've been through Heathrow but I'm looking forward to seeing this...
Pod Cars Make Their Debut At Heathrow Airport

I wonder if you can set it to drop you off in the year 1893, or 2186!?!?!

342 iossarian  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:36:10am

By the way, DF, I'm certainly not an absolutist on public/private ownership of industry. There's definitely a place for private ownership.

On the other hand, in the case of natural monopolies (like rail transport), private ownership makes very little sense. There are other industries where different issues arise with private (for-profit) ownership - education is an obvious one.

343 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:37:17am

re: #339 Killgore Trout

Christine O'Donnell: I Walked Out On Piers Morgan To End 'Borderline Sexual Harassment'

My main take on all this was why did CNN even have her on in the first place? She is a marginal political figure (at best) and should simply be ignored and allowed to fall into total obscurity where she belongs.

344 makeitstop  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:37:25am

re: #339 Killgore Trout

Christine O'Donnell: I Walked Out On Piers Morgan To End 'Borderline Sexual Harassment'

I saw that, as well as the original video where she walked off the show.

What a lame excuse. She just got pissy because he asked her a question having to do with a part of her book that she didn't want to discuss, and once she dug in on not answering Morgan really wouldn't let it go.

To hear her excuse, you'd think Morgan asked her what color panties she was wearing or something.

345 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:37:28am

re: #340 sattv4u2

I wonder if you can set it to drop you off in the year 1893, or 2186!?!?!

If I could go into the future and back, I'd move to Vegas and bet on sports. And drink.

346 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:38:50am

re: #345 Cannadian Club Akbar

If I could go into the future and back, I'd move to Vegas and bet on sports. And drink.

I'm pretty sure that if you could go into the future and back, the Vegas gambling establishment would promptly ban you from any and all betting activity.

347 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:39:10am

re: #343 oaktree

My main take on all this was why did CNN even have her on in the first place? She is a marginal political figure (at best) and should simply be ignored and allowed to fall into total obscurity where she belongs.

Because CNN thought she'd be entertaining. They weren't looking for insight, the Piers Morgan bookers and producers were looking for ratings.

348 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:39:15am

re: #343 oaktree

My main take on all this was why did CNN even have her on in the first place? She is a marginal political figure (at best) and should simply be ignored and allowed to fall into total obscurity where she belongs.

Vice Adm. James B. Stockdale was unavailable

349 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:40:05am

re: #345 Cannadian Club Akbar

If I could go into the future and back, I'd move to Vegas and bet on sports. And drink.

So no different that what you do now! (cept the Vegas part)

350 makeitstop  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:40:26am

re: #347 Dark_Falcon

Because CNN thought she'd be entertaining. They weren't looking for insight, the Piers Morgan bookers and producers were looking for ratings.

O'Donnell = ratings? Since when?

She's touting her new book. The interview was probably set up by her publisher.

351 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:40:37am

re: #342 iossarian

By the way, DF, I'm certainly not an absolutist on public/private ownership of industry. There's definitely a place for private ownership.

On the other hand, in the case of natural monopolies (like rail transport), private ownership makes very little sense. There are other industries where different issues arise with private (for-profit) ownership - education is an obvious one.

If you read the history railroads are not any sort of natural monopoly. In a fully developed industrial complex where the capital needed to break into the market is semi-astronomical it becomes a lot more entrenched. And rail transport is very heavily regulated and rate restrained as it is.

And as a reading of the history of the Transcontinental Railroad indicates perhaps there is some leeway to give the owners of the SP (and the UP to some degree) to charge high rates given the capital risks they took to get the railways initially built.

352 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:41:59am

re: #343 oaktree

They had her on because she was touting a new book, and she's a notable figure who came to prominence in the last political election cycle. Morgan tried to discuss topics within her own book - based on her personal opinions, values, beliefs, and she walked out because she couldn't defend those views.

353 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:42:02am

re: #348 sattv4u2

Vice Adm. James B. Stockdale was unavailable

Even in his current condition I expect you'd get more intelligent answers to political questions than you'd get from her.

354 jaunte  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:42:44am

re: #339 Killgore Trout

She should stay off tv, and keep checking the bushes.

They’re following me. They follow me home at night. I make sure that I come back to the townhouse and then we have our team come out and check all the bushes and check all the cars to make sure that—they follow me.[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]
355 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:43:11am

re: #352 lawhawk

They had her on because she was touting a new book, and she's a notable figure who came to prominence in the last political election cycle. Morgan tried to discuss topics within her own book - based on her personal opinions, values, beliefs, and she walked out because she couldn't defend those views.

She was expecting to get quizzed on English soccer football statistics, wasn't she?

356 iossarian  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:44:18am

re: #346 thedopefishlives

I'm pretty sure that if you could go into the future and back, the Vegas gambling establishment would promptly ban you from any and all betting activity.

I have wondered, how quickly Vegas (or any betting outlet for that matter) would pick up on "knowledgeable" sports betting (e.g., if you had sufficient legal insight into the sports world to make a modest return on investment over the long term).

I do know that the betting exchange websites have to limit participation from individuals with large finances, but that's more because they can clean up smaller players via the amount of short-term loss they can absorb rather than specific knowledge-based advantage.

357 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:44:35am

Drug found to extend lives of obese mice
[Link: www.boston.com...]

I didn't realize we WANTED to extend the lives of obese mice!
//

358 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:45:38am

re: #357 sattv4u2

Drug found to extend lives of obese mice
[Link: www.boston.com...]

I didn't realize we WANTED to extend the lives of obese mice!
//

Dormouse pie is coming back into style!?!

359 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:47:02am

re: #358 oaktree

Dormouse pie is coming back into style!?!

{burp}

360 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:47:40am

re: #336 publicityStunted

The Divine Right of Kings Corps

Conservative self-loathing and penchant for self-defeat knows no bounds.

361 makeitstop  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:48:15am

re: #358 oaktree

Dormouse pie is coming back into style!?!

I like it, but the tail always gets stuck between my teeth.
/

362 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:48:24am

re: #356 iossarian

I have wondered, how quickly Vegas (or any betting outlet for that matter) would pick up on "knowledgeable" sports betting (e.g., if you had sufficient legal insight into the sports world to make a modest return on investment over the long term).

I do know that the betting exchange websites have to limit participation from individuals with large finances, but that's more because they can clean up smaller players via the amount of short-term loss they can absorb rather than specific knowledge-based advantage.

Since it's a business and there are computers you would have to bet they are doing statistical analysis on betting patterns and results. Note how any of the successful betting/gambling schemes done in Las Vegas have depended on using numerous betters and front-men in order to disguise that there is an underlying pattern of bets being made.

363 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:49:10am

re: #361 makeitstop

I like it, but the tail always gets stuck between my teeth.
/

Thats why I save the quills after I BBQ an obese porcupine!

364 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:49:44am

re: #359 sattv4u2

{burp}

Hmm, probably also a hidden command from the Cat Overlords.
(One STARES at Sattv4u2 for eating the mouse first... with tail twitching)

365 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:50:33am

re: #357 sattv4u2

Drug found to extend lives of obese mice
[Link: www.boston.com...]

I didn't realize we WANTED to extend the lives of obese mice!
//

Cats find them more tasty.

366 makeitstop  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:50:53am

re: #363 sattv4u2

Thats why I save the quills after I BBQ an obese porcupine!

Good tip!

367 iossarian  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:51:31am

re: #351 oaktree

If you read the history railroads are not any sort of natural monopoly. In a fully developed industrial complex where the capital needed to break into the market is semi-astronomical it becomes a lot more entrenched. And rail transport is very heavily regulated and rate restrained as it is.

I still think rail is a natural monopoly in the same way that highways are: it doesn't make sense to build two competing highway systems - you raise a tax, build the road, and everyone benefits. Running a rail transport system then becomes a thornier issue than the roads, because it's harder for multiple small carriers to share a rail line, whereas truckers can just hop on and off the highway.


And as a reading of the history of the Transcontinental Railroad indicates perhaps there is some leeway to give the owners of the SP (and the UP to some degree) to charge high rates given the capital risks they took to get the railways initially built.

I somewhat agree. On the other hand, I would be really interested, if it were possible, to map out what happens to people who start off with a bunch of money, and invest in highly risky ventures - what are the success/failure statistics, and what does "failure" actually mean (do you end up on the streets a la Trading Places)? I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but when I hear about "high capital risks" I am a bit skeptical by default of what the worst case scenario for these wealthy investors is.

368 lostlakehiker  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:53:01am

re: #329 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Punishment-happy con attitude. It's THEIR RIGHT to price gouge me!

Well, yes. It is. Price gouging is how societies of people that don't know each other communicate about scarcity.

Oil prices are up. Airlines must pay more for fuel. Rather than raise the price of a ticket forthrightly, they use the same tactic movie theaters use, and charge for amenities. That way, just as with a movie theater, those who can barely afford the ticket buy anyhow, while those who would have paid more can be nicked for the popcorn on top of the movie.

Outright theft is very different from pricing. I cannot very well refuse the deal the mugger offers: your money, or your life.

369 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:53:06am

re: #364 oaktree

Hmm, probably also a hidden command from the Cat Overlords.
(One STARES at Sattv4u2 for eating the mouse first... with tail twitching)

wireless ones don't have tails!

370 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:53:15am

re: #338 Dark_Falcon

It's called Private Property. The railroad's owners have the right to set the prices for their services.

Don't be a tool. They have the right to set them within reason.

I fear profit-hungry owners far less than I do the government that would try to "protect" me from them. But that's part of why I'm a conservative.

Here in the USA, property-worshipping conservatives are subject to the supremacy clause, that is, the right of the federal government to regulate interstate commerce, including pricing.

Yes, this is for your own good, because we know better than you, so the people out to pricegouge you don't price them out of their own markets. This is why we don't permit you to have monopolies. At least, in theory we don't.

I fear profit-hungry owners far less than I do the government

Conservatives are frightened of their own shadows and their own independent thoughts, what else is new.

371 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:54:26am

re: #368 lostlakehiker

Well, yes. It is. Price gouging is how societies of people that don't know each other communicate about scarcity.

Lol "scarcity".

Back to Econ 101 for you -- elastic and inelastic demand. "Scarcity" rotfl

372 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:55:32am

re: #368 lostlakehiker

Outright theft is very different from pricing. I cannot very well refuse the deal the mugger offers: your money, or your life.

Ridiculous hyperbole.

373 darthstar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:57:29am

re: #343 oaktree

My main take on all this was why did CNN even have her on in the first place? She is a marginal political figure (at best) and should simply be ignored and allowed to fall into total obscurity where she belongs.

She "wrote" a book. Now she can pay her rent without using campaign funds.

374 blueraven  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 7:57:43am

re: #347 Dark_Falcon

Because CNN thought she'd be entertaining. They weren't looking for insight, the Piers Morgan bookers and producers were looking for ratings.

Oh please. The woman is on a book tour. No one is supposed to ask questions about the content of her book? She is the one that caused all the big stink here.
She wants to only talk about certain parts of the book, and make her pitch. Give me a break.

375 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:00:12am

re: #368 lostlakehiker

Well, yes. It is. Price gouging is how societies of people that don't know each other communicate about scarcity.

Oil prices are up. Airlines must pay more for fuel. Rather than raise the price of a ticket forthrightly, they use the same tactic movie theaters use, and charge for amenities. That way, just as with a movie theater, those who can barely afford the ticket buy anyhow, while those who would have paid more can be nicked for the popcorn on top of the movie.

Outright theft is very different from pricing. I cannot very well refuse the deal the mugger offers: your money, or your life.

Moreover, railroads are getting hit by higher fuel costs. Here in Illinois, Metra is going to have raise fares 20% just to keep up with costs. So a fare increase in the UK makes sense. If some of that increase beyond that needed to cover costs goes to the shareholders as profit. that's OK.

376 lostlakehiker  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:00:24am

re: #342 iossarian

By the way, DF, I'm certainly not an absolutist on public/private ownership of industry. There's definitely a place for private ownership.

On the other hand, in the case of natural monopolies (like rail transport), private ownership makes very little sense. There are other industries where different issues arise with private (for-profit) ownership - education is an obvious one.

The federal government nationalized the railroads for during WW1 and discovered that in practice private ownership made a lot of sense.

For-profit private educational enterprises are problematic because of the ease of fraud. A railroad cannot very well pretend that it shipped your goods. Either they got there or they didn't. A school can pretend it trained you. The school is in charge not only of the instruction but the evaluation.

There is a lot of fraud in education. It's not limited to private schools; Atlanta comes to mind. And then there's all the courses of study that lead nowhere.

There's also the matter of plain old technical schooling. What can you say when somebody who took calculus I and got a B at school X cannot find the derivative of x^3?

School X is handing out grades that lack any foundation in reality. Whether that's fraud in the criminal sense is iffy, but fraud it is. Tuition has been paid, and instruction that gets the student somewhere has not been delivered in exchange.

But having the school be private, and for profit, adds fuel to the fires of fraud. There's just more incentive.

377 iossarian  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:01:00am

re: #368 lostlakehiker


Outright theft is very different from pricing. I cannot very well refuse the deal the mugger offers: your money, or your life.

I wonder how Ken Saro-Wiwa felt about the deal that Shell offered him.

378 lostlakehiker  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:02:25am

re: #339 Killgore Trout

Christine O'Donnell: I Walked Out On Piers Morgan To End 'Borderline Sexual Harassment'

She's played that card before, with unfounded charges of sexual harassment and groundless lawsuits. It's just one of her schticks.

379 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:02:40am

Ah well

FunTime over

Errands await

380 iossarian  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:03:25am

re: #376 lostlakehiker

We disagree on railroads, but (I think) agree on education. There is absolutely some fraud in public/non-profit education, mostly due to targets that must be achieved (or else funding is withdrawn). It pales into comparison with the for-profit situation though.

381 iossarian  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:04:00am

re: #380 iossarian

We disagree on railroads, but (I think) agree on education. There is absolutely some fraud in public/non-profit education, mostly due to targets that must be achieved (or else funding is withdrawn). It pales in comparison with the for-profit situation though.

Grrr pimf.

382 Lidane  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:04:12am
383 darthstar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:04:46am

re: #374 blueraven

Oh please. The woman is on a book tour. No one is supposed to ask questions about the content of her book? She is the one that caused all the big stink here.
She wants to only talk about certain parts of the book, and make her pitch. Give me a break.

Nobody told her there wouldd be a quiz on the book's contents! After all, you would think the lamestream media would have learned their lesson from using those kinds of "gotcha" questions with Sarah Palin on her books.
//

384 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:05:37am

On-paper corporations, and the not/never born...the only two types of "people" frightened, authoritarian rightwing bedwetters ever give a damn about.

Everyone else? Throw them in jail or they're on the other side of the world, just kill them with our killing machines. They are sitting on top of our oil, damn them!

385 Lidane  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:06:18am

re: #383 darthstar

Nobody told her there wouldd be a quiz on the book's contents! After all, you would think the lamestream media would have learned their lesson from using those kinds of "gotcha" questions with Sarah Palin on her books.
//

How dare you ask someone about their book! What are you, some kinda commie?

386 lostlakehiker  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:07:07am

re: #316 lawhawk

Nothing to see here. Move on. All is calm. /

Welcome to the distorted worldview of Bashar Assad, who has no problem lying to the world media, just as he lies to his own people in a bid to remain in power for as long as he sustains a breath. He's said a few times that the crackdown has ended, even as his security forces crack skulls and murder people who have the audacity to protest Assad's regime and call for him to step down.

Eight people were killed in the latest bit after the crackdown supposedly ended. And the UN is now taking claims that Assad's regime is engaging in war crimes a bit more seriously.

Even as Turkey is moving away from backing Assad's regime, here comes Russia to thwart any more serious measures. They want more time to be given, even though all Assad has done since the protests began was murder anyone opposing his regime and used the crackdowns in various cities as an example of what happens when you stand up to his regime.

Russia has a long history of peaceful engagement with protesters. Whyever would they want to back a guy like Assad? If they speak up for him, it must be because he's not doing anything they wouldn't do. //

387 darthstar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:08:09am

re: #382 Lidane

Heh:

Bruce Bartlett: "Rick Perry's an idiot."

Bartlett left off the fact that Obama's appointments to things like the Fed have been held up by the 60 vote minimum demanded on all things by the Republicans in the Senate.

But he is right about Perry...I suppose we won't see him on CNN again anytime soon, or Fox, though Rachel and Lawrence will be calling him to interview shortly.

388 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:10:19am

re: #367 iossarian

Well, in the 1860s there wasn't any sort of competing highway to the various railroads. Though there were competing railroads all over the east (with a lot of failures, consolidations, and receiverships). Eventually the most efficient routes sort of won out.

The Transcontinental was a mix of government sponsorship (who saw the benefits to migration, trade, and military cost savings a railroad would bring) and investment by a couple of groups. The western group (Central Pacific? that eventually became the Southern Pacific) was successful California businessmen that essentially risked all they had on the venture. (McCollugh's book on the railroad is a good read.)

Modern day capital investment obviously works a bit differently. But investment in transportation networks in the US is capital heavy, involves a market with competing substitutes, and has a lot of roadblocks involving existing infrastructure and bureaucracy. And generally has a long and fairly low ROI compared to other investment opportunities. Thus the main reason most projects of this sort require fairly massive local and/or federal subsidy or sponsorship to get off the ground.

389 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:10:22am

re: #385 Lidane

How dare you ask someone about their book! What are you, some kinda commie?

What about MY RIGHTS!!?!?

I have the RIGHT to go into a book tour interview on television and only be asked questions based on the content of my press packet! No wonder Sarah Palin told me to speak through Fox News!!

390 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:11:10am

BBL

391 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:11:54am

re: #369 sattv4u2

wireless ones don't have tails!

Cat Overlords have adjusted for that. The Japanes bob-tail and relatives have a recessive gene giving them short or basic nubbin tails. They (as compared to us) appear to think ahead... O_o

392 iossarian  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:12:22am

re: #388 oaktree

Thanks for that! I'm looking for my next reading project, maybe I'll look into the history of the railways.

Still think that "the efficient routes won out" is a different way of saying "natural monopoly" though :)

393 lostlakehiker  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:12:28am

re: #380 iossarian

We disagree on railroads, but (I think) agree on education. There is absolutely some fraud in public/non-profit education, mostly due to targets that must be achieved (or else funding is withdrawn). It pales into comparison with the for-profit situation though.

To be clear, I'm not arguing that railroads should be as unregulated as airlines. No airline owns the geodesic from London to NYC. It wasn't taken from the previous owners by exercise of eminent domain. Barriers to competition are lower.

Natural monopolies are different from the general run of private business. Even so, private corporations tend to pay more attention to efficient operations than their public counterparts. Consider the bad joke that is Amtrak. Nuff said.

394 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:13:11am

O'Donnell couldn't even do the stupid walk-off on her own initiative. It looked pretty stupid for her to claim she was offended when it was someone off-camera who was telling her "let's go".

395 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:14:20am

re: #377 iossarian

I wonder how Ken Saro-Wiwa felt about the deal that Shell offered him.

Ken Saro Wiwa was sitting on OUR OIL@!!!!!!1 He got what was coming to him.

396 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:15:07am

re: #394 wrenchwench

And don't I look smart using "stupid" twice in two sentences.

397 Guanxi88  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:16:28am

re: #396 wrenchwench

And don't I look smart using "stupid" twice in two sentences.

Eh, I consider it poetic license. Like Homer's "wine-dark sea" EVERY OTHER freakin' line.

398 darthstar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:16:44am

So, how does Texas stack up to the rest of the nation on key quality of life indicators?


Wow...that Perry's a regular miracle worker...I'll bet he could make a blind man lame.

399 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:16:58am

re: #375 Dark_Falcon

The Port Authority just approved major fare and toll hikes in the NYC metro region. Governors Chris Christie (R-NJ) and Andrew Cuomo (D-NY) brokered a deal where they (and the Port Authority) get what they want, and the commuters get hit with the bill.

The Port Authority's initial proposals would have been a backbreaker for all commuters and anyone using bridges between NJ and NY, including the GWB.

The brokered deal is seen as more reasonable, but it's still a major hike and will likely increase costs for goods and services in the region even further.

400 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:18:14am

re: #396 wrenchwench

And don't I look smart using "stupid" twice in two sentences.

Christine O'Donnell is one of those dumb, stupid conservatives so dumb and stupid, the stupid rubs off just looking at her dumb, stupid personage.

I suspect this is why dumb, stupid teabagger groups like Tea Party Express promoted her so heavily. RWNJ conservatism caters to the lowest common denominator. Can't get much lower than Christine O'Donnell, Sharron Angle, and Joe Miller for that.

401 makeitstop  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:19:31am

re: #396 wrenchwench

And don't I look smart using "stupid" twice in two sentences.

In some cases, one 'stupid' just doesn't do the job. This is one such case.

402 iossarian  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:19:50am

re: #397 Guanxi88

Eh, I consider it poetic license. Like Homer's "wine-dark sea" EVERY OTHER freakin' line.

Homer: what a hack.

403 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:20:37am

re: #397 Guanxi88

Eh, I consider it poetic license. Like Homer's "wine-dark sea" EVERY OTHER freakin' line.

Yeah, but that's Homer. He didn't write stuff down, and he certainly didn't have Preview.

404 darthstar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:21:46am

re: #400 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Can't get much lower than Christine O'Donnell, Sharron Angle, and Joe Miller for that.


These people are incapable of finding meaningful employment, which is why they go public with their stupidity and hope for a windfall like Palin had. Christine O'Donnell has never held public office - but she has run for election and lost three times - and now the media treat her like some kind of celebrity. She should be answering phones at the DMV and asking people to please hold.

Angle's retired, so she's off the hook - just stupid. Miller is continuing to fail at being a lawyer with eight kids to feed.

405 darthstar  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:21:58am

Okay...time to get a move on...play nice, everyone.

406 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:22:51am

re: #398 darthstar

So, how does Texas stack up to the rest of the nation on key quality of life indicators?


Wow...that Perry's a regular miracle worker...I'll bet he could make a blind man lame.

Texas has the highest rate of workers paid at or below the federal minimum wage and our median hourly wage is 10% lower than the national average.
...

...nine Texans die on the job every week, making Texas the deadliest state to work in
....

And home ownership? Texas ranks near the bottom in the rate of home ownership, a fact that is exacerbated by our low personal credit scores, and high rate of subprime mortgages.
...

Texas ranks near the bottom in median household net worth and in the “nest egg index” ... over a quarter have less than $1,000.

This is the conservative ideal: elimination of the nonrich; special rights for the overprivileged. The 2nd mortgaged, class-mobility impaired, stuck-in-their-miserable-jobs, resentful of everyone in their path stupid GOP dupes will vote for Perry in droves.

407 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:24:04am

re: #404 darthstar

These people are incapable of finding meaningful employment, which is why they go public with their stupidity and hope for a windfall like Palin had. Christine O'Donnell has never held public office - but she has run for election and lost three times - and now the media treat her like some kind of celebrity. She should be answering phones at the DMV and asking people to please hold.

Angle's retired, so she's off the hook - just stupid. Miller is continuing to fail at being a lawyer with eight kids to feed.

Professional candidates.

But watch them call the rest of us moral failures and social parasites in a hot second.

408 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:35:26am

re: #392 iossarian

Thanks for that! I'm looking for my next reading project, maybe I'll look into the history of the railways.

Still think that "the efficient routes won out" is a different way of saying "natural monopoly" though :)

I got a book (~300 pages) that concentrated on railroad development in the western NY state area (roughly Buffalo - Syracuse) though it discussed the associated nearby areas in passing. The two major East-West lines that developed was using the grade of the Hudson and Mohawk valleys (New York Central) and the PRR (Pennsylvania Railroad that eventually worked its way through the Alleghenies via tunnels and Horseshoe Curve.

In and around this development is a mass of short- and long- lived competing and cooperating lines of various gauges, lengths, and purposes. Some did commuter rail as well. My presumption is that a lot of the initial rail development in the US (and Canada) followed this pattern to some degree.*

* - A couple of side notes:
1. I was in an abandoned quarry west of Rochester, NY and found a piece of hard coal lying there. The land owner identified the railroad that it probably came from and that the coal was mined in northeastern PA.

2. If you're a board gamer you have probably encountered railroad games in some form. "1830" is an example. Most of them basically involve developing infrastructure connecting cities for trade while maintaining and getting enough cash to improve your network and by better engines (carrying capacity).

409 Guanxi88  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:36:35am

re: #403 wrenchwench

Yeah, but that's Homer. He didn't write stuff down, and he certainly didn't have Preview.

Preview nothing - the fellow was blind as a bad.

(but what a talent, eh? I mean, the Iliad and the Odyssey - they almost read like they were put together by two different groups of poets several decades apart; that's a genius right there.)

410 iossarian  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:38:02am

re: #408 oaktree

I've played Dampfross, which is awesome. Just the right blend of strategy/playability.

411 Guanxi88  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:41:39am

re: #410 iossarian

I've played Dampfross, which is awesome. Just the right blend of strategy/playability.

Sounds like what the Germans called trenchfoot in the Great War.

412 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:46:34am

re: #409 Guanxi88

Preview nothing - the fellow was blind as a bad.

(but what a talent, eh? I mean, the Iliad and the Odyssey - they almost read like they were put together by two different groups of poets several decades apart; that's a genius right there.)

Well, I've only read them in translation, and anyone who has read them in any language is at the mercy of the transcribers, who may or may not have been poets...and yet, the genius comes through, "wine-dark sea" and all.

In my next life, I will know someone who wants to read the Alexander Pope translations aloud with me.

413 Lidane  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:49:19am

Norway killer to stay in isolation

Norwegian mass killer Anders Behring Breivik will remain in solitary confinement for the next four weeks, a judge ordered Friday.


Breivik has admitted killing 77 people on July 22 -- eight in a bombing in Oslo that destroyed the Norwegian government's headquarters and 69 gunned down on a nearby island.

"The accused describes his isolation as boring and monotonous and as a sadistic method of torture," judge Hugo Abelseth told a news conference at the Oslo court house.

He said Breivik, 32, would stay isolated in prison until September 19 as there was a danger evidence could be tampered with.

Police have not ruled out the possibility of accomplices to the crime and are keen to prevent Breivik from communicating with the outside world.

Yeah. I'm finding it hard to feel any sympathy for this asshole. He's bored and hates being alone? Thinks it's torture? Pfft. Screw him.

414 Interesting Times  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:52:06am

re: #413 Lidane

"The accused describes his isolation as boring and monotonous and as a sadistic method of torture"

Image: worlds-smallest-violin.jpg

415 makeitstop  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:53:18am

re: #413 Lidane

Norway killer to stay in isolation

Yeah. I'm finding it hard to feel any sympathy for this asshole. He's bored and hates being alone? Thinks it's torture? Pfft. Screw him.

He reeks of entitlement.

If he hates solitary so much, then that should be his sentence. However many years, in a box.

416 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:53:27am

re: #413 Lidane

Norway killer to stay in isolation

Yeah. I'm finding it hard to feel any sympathy for this asshole. He's bored and hates being alone? Thinks it's torture? Pfft. Screw him.

Put him in with general population.

417 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:53:51am

re: #399 lawhawk
NY and NJ governors both wailed and gnashed their teeth for lower tolls but it looks like the tolls are gonna stick. How much you wanna bet toll income will actually decrease?

418 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:54:17am

re: #415 makeitstop

He reeks of entitlement.

If he hates solitary so much, then that should be his sentence. However many years, in a box.

He blogs. Give him a WinME box and a slow modem.

419 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:55:14am

re: #418 oaktree

He blogs. Give him a WinME box and a slow modem.

You are diabolical! I totally forgot there was a Windows OS that sucks even more than Vista.

420 Guanxi88  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:55:53am

re: #412 wrenchwench

Well, I've only read them in translation, and anyone who has read them in any language is at the mercy of the transcribers, who may or may not have been poets...and yet, the genius comes through, "wine-dark sea" and all.

In my next life, I will know someone who wants to read the Alexander Pope translations aloud with me.

It's funny, you know, my college girlfriend and I (geeks that we were) used to read from Donne to each other. Hyper-intellectual, but very romantic.

And sometimes, for kicks, we'd read Ovid and/or certain Greek poets to each other; passion in three languages. memories.

421 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:56:02am

re: #419 Alouette

You are diabolical! I totally forgot there was a Windows OS that sucks even more than Vista.

Doing it probably would be considered cruel and unusual punishment.

422 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:56:53am

re: #415 makeitstop

He reeks of entitlement.

To me, Breivik acts like a typical American socon male. Talks like them, too. No wonder the unhinged among them defend him like he's some kind of hapless victim. Over-identification.

423 Guanxi88  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:57:05am

re: #418 oaktree

He blogs. Give him a WinME box and a slow modem.

Hey, that's my set-up (only I 'expropriate' my connection via wi-fi)

424 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:57:13am

re: #420 Guanxi88

Candy is dandy dut liquor is quicker!

425 Guanxi88  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:58:19am

re: #424 Shropshire_Slasher

Candy is dandy dut liquor is quicker!

Saccharum est gratum
Sed liquor, celerior.

(works in many languages.)

426 Guanxi88  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 8:58:53am

re: #425 Guanxi88

Saccharum est gratum
Sed liquor, celerior.

(works in many languages.)

(and true in all of them)

427 Guanxi88  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 9:00:13am

re: #425 Guanxi88

Saccharum est gratum
Sed liquor, celerior.

(works in many languages.)

And who dares claim a classical education is wasted?

428 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 9:00:25am

Ah youth,
I'm feeling rather melancholy,
I wish you all a great day!

429 Guanxi88  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 9:01:06am

re: #428 Shropshire_Slasher

Ah youth,
I'm feeling rather melancholy,
I wish you all a great day!

I, too, am plagued thus. Here, have a rye-and-ginger. Makes the clouds dissipate.

430 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 9:01:39am

If Brevik didn't want to be put in isolation and unable to communicate with the outside world, he shouldn't have killed 70 people n cold blood because of his perverted political beliefs. No sympathy whatsoever for this bastard.

431 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 9:02:23am

re: #413 Lidane

Norway killer to stay in isolation

Yeah. I'm finding it hard to feel any sympathy for this asshole. He's bored and hates being alone? Thinks it's torture? Pfft. Screw him.

Agreed, put him on an island and let people pay to hunt him. That should cure his boredom.

432 Guanxi88  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 9:06:42am

re: #431 RayFerd

Agreed, put him on an island and let people pay to hunt him. That should cure his boredom.

Hostel III could be shot as a documentary.

Just sayin'

433 Lidane  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 9:09:57am

re: #415 makeitstop

He reeks of entitlement.

Seriously. He's the worst mass killer in Norwegian history. Mowed down dozens of kids. And he thinks he should be able to see people or access the internet? Pfft.

He's pissed because the people around him aren't buying into his bullshit and he can't talk to the people who DO buy into it. He can't get his ego stroked. Boo fucking hoo.

If he hates solitary so much, then that should be his sentence. However many years, in a box.

Agreed. The worst punishment for a narcissistic asshole like Breivik is cutting him off from the adulation he wants. Put him away, keep him away from any and all fawning praise or admiration for what he did, and let him rot.

434 Lidane  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 9:11:03am

re: #432 Guanxi88

Hostel III could be shot as a documentary.

Just sayin'

Somebody get Eli Roth on the phone. Let him put on the Bear Jew costume again and chase Breivik around with a baseball bat and a camera crew.

Heh.

435 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 9:14:43am

re: #434 Lidane

Somebody get Eli Roth on the phone. Let him put on the Bear Jew costume again and chase Breivik around with a baseball bat and a camera crew.

Heh.

Even better, let him tag team with Bear Muslim.

436 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 9:18:47am

re: #434 Lidane

Somebody get Eli Roth on the phone. Let him put on the Bear Jew costume again and chase Breivik around with a baseball bat and a camera crew.

Heh.

That may make up for Hostel. Note I said may. Only good thing about Hostel were the beautiful Slovak girls.

438 Guanxi88  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 9:20:42am

re: #434 Lidane

Somebody get Eli Roth on the phone. Let him put on the Bear Jew costume again and chase Breivik around with a baseball bat and a camera crew.

Heh.

Ya know, much as I loved Inglorious, I was worried that film would spark a snuff craze, and then I'd have to give up the last of my esoteric vices for fear of being lumped with the lumpen-hipsters. Thank goodness that didn't happen. (Takes a large pinch of maccoboy, deftly dusting his nostrils with the fragrant preparation before applying hankie to remove any crumbs.)

439 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 9:20:44am

re: #417 Shropshire_Slasher

The higher initial proposed tolls were political cover. The new deal is one that they proposed in a letter to the Port Authority board (a board that they get to select and choose, btw). As for how much revenue the increases will generate, most people will end up having no choice but pay - because their jobs dictate their commuting choices.

I figure that it will bring increased revenues, but may fall a bit short on the projected revenues. Mind you that one of the justifications for the hikes was to preserve the bond ratings - so everyone is hoping the revenues fall in line otherwise they may get hit with a downgrade (raising costs for bonding down the line).

440 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 9:21:57am

re: #434 Lidane

Heh... he wishes to die for his country. Oblige him...

441 Gus  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 9:22:50am

So last night I sign off and eventually disconnect from AT&T's 4G network here. It was on day zero and I had 400MBs left before hitting the max limit of 5Gs. Next day, today, new cycle begins with 5Gs fresh. What do I find this morning? It shows as having used 1G with 4Gs left. Something's not right. AT&T is a creepy, greedy, company.

442 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 9:22:58am

re: #430 HappyWarrior

He's put in isolation not only because of the severity of his crimes, but for his own protection. No sympathy here for him and the results of his own admitted actions.

443 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 9:24:08am

Basterds was great. Not a huge Tarantino fan but when you watch that film for what it is, fun and not intended to be accurate, it's enjoyable. Now for actual resistance films about Jews fighting back against the Nazis, one of my favorites was a made for TV movie about the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. For my history writing class, I ended up writing a paper on how the portrayal of Jews in the Holocaust has changed. I often cited that film/event as well as Defiance which was another good movie. And Daniel Craig is awesome. He's like a modern day Steve McQueen as my dad put it.

444 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 9:26:26am

re: #441 Gus 802

No creepier or greedier than any of the other Baby Bell spinoffs, which are all congealing and reforming into the next generation of telco provider that engages in the same shady dealings with customers and employees.

The Verizon strike drags on, and Verizon is now threatening cutting off health benefits for striking workers by August 31 if they don't agree to their terms, which are a major cut in benefits at a time when Verizon as a whole is doing gangbusters.

But at the same time, the striking workers have to realize that the landline business (which is where the union is operating) is a shrinking business model - even with FiOS) and needs to recognize new marketplace. There should be room for negotiation and an agreement where neither side is entirely happy, but it looks like both sides are settling in for Armageddon and the customers are getting screwed (myself included in that batch).

445 Gus  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 9:32:20am

re: #444 lawhawk

No creepier or greedier than any of the other Baby Bell spinoffs, which are all congealing and reforming into the next generation of telco provider that engages in the same shady dealings with customers and employees.

The Verizon strike drags on, and Verizon is now threatening cutting off health benefits for striking workers by August 31 if they don't agree to their terms, which are a major cut in benefits at a time when Verizon as a whole is doing gangbusters.

But at the same time, the striking workers have to realize that the landline business (which is where the union is operating) is a shrinking business model - even with FiOS) and needs to recognize new marketplace. There should be room for negotiation and an agreement where neither side is entirely happy, but it looks like both sides are settling in for Armageddon and the customers are getting screwed (myself included in that batch).

Heard about the threatened cut-off of healthcare benefits. Screw Verizon too. Earthlink and Comcast are a couple of sleeze bags as well. In fact, I would venture to guess that all telecom companies are run by assholes. Probably worse than the airline industry.

That's our new legacy in America. Creepy, greedy, whiny ass companies with a foot in the government door -- which is something AT&T has been working on in order to approve their latest merger. That is they've been spreading the cash to particular politically appealing non-profit groups in order to garner favoritism from the current administration. The mafia wish they had this gig going on with them.

This pisses me off to no end. They shouldn't have taken 1G. It's would technically have to have gone into overage charges or 10 bucks for 1GB. This was 2 days ago:

AT&T Msg: Youve used 65% of your data plan allowance. Overage bills @ $10/1GB. Tip: Mobile Data is unlimited over Wifi. Learn more at att.com/mobilebroadband

I had 400MB left according to the meter.

These guys should all start selling used cars.

446 Gus  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 9:34:01am

re: #445 Gus 802

Errr....

It's would technically have to haveIt should have simply gone into overage charges or 10 bucks for 1GB.

Being my own grammar police. Whatever I suppose.

447 Lidane  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 9:35:44am

re: #438 Guanxi88

Ya know, much as I loved Inglorious, I was worried that film would spark a snuff craze, and then I'd have to give up the last of my esoteric vices for fear of being lumped with the lumpen-hipsters. Thank goodness that didn't happen.

Yeah, I could see that. Luckily, it didn't have a legion of clones follow it.

re: #443 HappyWarrior

Basterds was great. Not a huge Tarantino fan but when you watch that film for what it is, fun and not intended to be accurate, it's enjoyable..

I'm a Tarantino fangirl, so I loved it. Basterds is a fun revenge fantasy. And it's miles better than the original film, which is a poorly edited, horribly acted, pile o'crap. Although I'll say this about original Inglorious Bastards -- they had one of the funniest machine gun scenes I've ever seen. Classic stuff.

448 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 12:07:12pm

Hell, the Moneran Kingdom is smarter than the GOP as currently constituted.

449 bmiller11757  Fri, Aug 19, 2011 12:49:09pm

re: #303 Decatur Deb

OrcaCare.

groan


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