Rick Perry Disagrees with His Own New Book

What idiot wrote that?
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Creationist Republican candidate Rick Perry’s book “Fed Up” argues that nearly every federal social program is unconstitutional, and a month ago he was proudly signing copies and recommending that people read it.

But suddenly, since entering the Presidential race, Perry is disavowing the whole book: Rick Perry Is Less ‘Fed Up’ Over Social Security.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry used to be pretty frank when it came to the country’s Social Security system. In his fiery anti-Washington book, “Fed Up!”, published last fall when he had no plans to run for president, Mr. Perry called the program, which turned 76 on Monday, “a crumbling monument to the failure of the New Deal.”

He suggested the program’s creation violated the Constitution. The program was put in place, “at the expense of respect for the Constitution and limited government,” he wrote, comparing the program to a “bad disease” that has continued to spread. Instead of “a retirement system that is no longer set up like an illegal Ponzi scheme,” he wrote, he would prefer a system that “will allow individuals to own and control their own retirement.”

But since jumping into the 2012 GOP nomination race on Saturday, Mr. Perry has tempered his Social Security views. His communications director, Ray Sullivan, said Thursday that he had “never heard” the governor suggest the program was unconstitutional. Not only that, Mr. Sullivan said, but “Fed Up!” is not meant to reflect the governor’s current views on how to fix the program. …

In an interview, Mr. Sullivan acknowledged that many passages in Mr. Perry’s “Fed Up!” could dog his presidential campaign. The book, Mr. Sullivan said, “is a look back, not a path forward.” It was written “as a review and critique of 50 years of federal excesses, not in any way as a 2012 campaign blueprint or manifesto,” Mr. Sullivan said.

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1 jaunte  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:01:00am

"Oh, this old thing?"

2 Kragar  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:02:08am

He also disagrees with his disagreeing about the book:


The campaign’s disavowal of “Fed Up!” is itself very new. On Sunday evening, at Mr. Perry’s first campaign stop in Iowa, a questioner asked the governor to talk about how he would fix the country’s rickety entitlement programs. Mr. Perry shot back: “Have you read my book, ‘Fed Up!’ Get a copy and read it.”
3 garhighway  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:02:12am

"Look, it's just some shit I hired a guy to write for me. Let's not make a federal case out of it, OK?"

4 Bulworth  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:02:27am

Newt Gingrich wrote the preface or forward to Perry's book. Gingrich you'll remember, infamously said that any attempt to quote his own remarks about a subject was a lie.

5 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:03:14am

Just for the record, I no longer stand by most of what is written in my 15 year-old diary.

Especially the lists of boys who are dreamy. That was a...uh...misstatement.

And she isn't a pig-face, not really.

And the assignment was, in retrospect, actually a good idea.

Thanks for understanding.

6 Bulworth  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:04:41am

re: #3 garhighway

"Look, it's just some shit I hired a guy to write for me. Let's not make a federal case out of it, OK?"

"Typical lamestream media: quoting stuff I've written to ask me gotcha questions."

7 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:05:11am

Working title of his next book:

"Confessions of a Snake Oil Salesman"

8 garhighway  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:07:21am

re: #7 _RememberTonyC

Working title of his next book:

"Confessions of a Snake Oil Salesman that he'll immediately repudiate."

FTFY

But if he's being folksy he'll say "refudiate".

9 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:07:44am

re: #7 _RememberTonyC

Nah, "Don't Read This Book" would be more practical.

10 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:10:40am

Former NBA star Charles Barkley complained that he was misquoted in HIS own book ...

11 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:12:27am

This would be a good reason to actually write your own book.

This would require, however, that you be able to write.

Heaven forbid only good writers do the writing. We might end up with bookstores full of interesting, well-written books.

12 jaunte  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:12:41am

Austan Goolsbee estimates that privatizing retirement accounts would be the biggest windfall gain for the financial sector in the history of the US.
[Link: www.google.com...]

13 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:14:21am

Al Gore's one time Texas campaign chairman, Governor Redpot von Goodhair, had no trouble re-inventing himself as a rabid anti-environment tea partier and general corporate shill. Repudiating a stand he took months ago should be child's play, especially since most of his base won't have a problem with it anyway.

14 jaunte  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:14:32am
Austan Goolsbee (General School of Business, University of Chicago) finds that "Creating individual accounts in the social security system would lead to a massive increase in payments of financial fees to private financial management companies. Under Plan II of the President's Commission to Strengthen Social Security (CSSS), the net present value of such payments would be $940 billion."
[Link: www.centuryinstitute.org...]
15 Kragar  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:14:46am

re: #11 EmmmieG

This would be a good reason to actually write your own book.

This would require, however, that you be able to write.

Heaven forbid only good writers do the writing. We might end up with bookstores full of interesting, well-written books.

Harry Potter was just a cheap rip off of the Twilight series...
/

16 elizajane  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:15:08am

Perry wants to be the winner in every category, even the "Biggest Flip-Flopper" category.

17 Lidane  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:17:26am

Mitt Romney called. He wants his flip-flopping speed record back.

18 Kragar  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:17:39am

re: #16 elizajane

Perry wants to be the winner in every category, even the "Biggest Flip-Flopper" category.

He's got the douchebag category locked up.

19 thatthatisis  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:18:02am

What Perry said in the book he published last year is the Old Testament. His new views are the New Testament.

And all the Tea Partiers said, Amen.

20 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:20:41am

Heh, found this on Al Jazeera site:

[Link: english.aljazeera.net...]

That's MJ Rosenberg accusing Beck of antisemitism:

Beck, who hates Soros' liberal economic views, said that the Jewish Soros was a Nazi collaborator rather than a Nazi victim. (Imagine, anyone saying that about a 14-year-old child; of course some of the Oslo campers were 14, too) He also has repeatedly depicted Soros as the archetypal international Jew who secretly runs the world, going so far as to depict the United States as Soros' puppet. (Beck's slurs against Soros led to his being condemned by numerous American Jewish organizations.) Beck has also repeatedly invited extreme right-wing and anti-Semitic speakers to appear on his show, often the kind of speakers who could never appear on mainstream television because of their views.

Our own Buck (sic!) accused MJR of antisemitism some time ago, I guess his head would explode.

21 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:21:06am

re: #15 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Harry Potter was just a cheap rip off of the Twilight series...
/

You can find arguments for this on the web. I'm pretty sure they were all written by teenage girls.

22 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:22:19am

Perry is a flash in the pan, and just possibly a Palin style VP candidate for Romney. The latter needs to learn from McCain's mistake, however. There is no need to pander to a base the GOP has in the bag anyway. What are they going to do? Vote for Obama? They could stay home or waste their votes on a third party but I think their rabid hate for Obama will drive them to the polls anyway. In the latter case, the small number of stay-at-home/Kook party voters who might be brought in would not be enough to justify the negative effect a Goodhair VP nomination would have on independents. It worked that way with Palin, it will be much worse with Perry.

23 lostlakehiker  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:22:46am

Social Security is politically hard to reform. Even if you could prove before a jury of disinterested scholars that it was unconstitutional, so what? No court with an ear to public opinion would touch it. Attitudes have hardened.

Keep your government hands off my social security!


A Ponzi scheme is an illegal scheme in which later investors funds are used not to grow some real asset, but rather to fund payouts to earlier investors. Social Security is not a Ponzi scheme because it's legal.

Being legal doesn't make it actuarially sound. At current tax rates and benefit schedules, it founders. Assuming a return to the rates in force for decades, up until about four years ago, rates no prior administration from either party wanted reformed, it still founders.

Extending the tax to cover all income from all sources, all the way up, while not modifying benefits, would shore up the program mightily. But last time SS ran surpluses, the government used the excess funds as general revenue. The same thing would happen again, and why not? The extra revenue would be federal income tax in all but name. No old age and survivors insurance program features rules in which increased premium payments yield nothing in the way of increased benefits.

Scaling back benefits, especially for those who have earned at or near the current ceiling for much of their lives, has a certain logic. These people are likely to live maybe four years longer than those whose earnings histories are at the 30th percentile or so. (The gap between 30th percentile and 90th percentile being larger than the gap between 30th percentile and 65th percentile). So they'll collect more twice, first because the benefit schedule is higher, and second because they get more years of benefits. Since SS taxes haven't been sufficient to cover the benefits to which the upcoming cohort of retirees is entitled, that generation will be running a 'profit' on its 'investment'. Government mandated profits for the well off are not the fairest way to run things.

24 Kragar  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:23:09am

re: #21 EmmmieG

You can find arguments for this on the web. I'm pretty sure they were all written by teenage girls.

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25 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:23:13am

re: #20 Sergey Romanov

Heh, found this on Al Jazeera site:

[Link: english.aljazeera.net...]

That's MJ Rosenberg accusing Beck of antisemitism:

Our own Buck (sic!) accused MJR of antisemitism some time ago, I guess his head would explode.

It takes one to know one, I guess.

26 Gus  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:23:57am

Rick Perry: I was for my book before I was against it.

Rick Perry: drives a bus over his own book.

//

27 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:29:44am

Watch what you say. You never know when you're going to decide to run for President.

28 Atlas Fails  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:30:50am

I have no doubt Perry will worm his way out of this, at least for now. If the GOTP does nominate him, this would be an important issue to hammer come election time.

29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:30:50am

re: #15 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Harry Potter was just a cheap rip off of the Twilight series...
/

"Harry Potter is about confronting fears, finding inner strength and doing what is right in the face of adversity. Twilight is about how important it is to have a boyfriend."
— Stephen King

30 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:30:51am

re: #27 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Watch what you say. You never know when you're going to decide to run for President.

SUDDENLY

32 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:32:41am

re: #27 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Watch what you say. You never know when you're going to decide to run for President.

Yeah. This is why I'm disavowing those teenage diaries NOW.

33 garhighway  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:33:02am

re: #23 lostlakehiker

Social Security is politically hard to reform. Even if you could prove before a jury of disinterested scholars that it was unconstitutional, so what? No court with an ear to public opinion would touch it. Attitudes have hardened. What's the argument for it being unconstitutional?

A Ponzi scheme is an illegal scheme in which later investors funds are used not to grow some real asset, but rather to fund payouts to earlier investors. Social Security is not a Ponzi scheme because it's legal. There's a fraud/nondisclosure aspect to Ponzi schemes that matters, too.

Being legal doesn't make it actuarially sound. At current tax rates and benefit schedules, it founders. Assuming a return to the rates in force for decades, up until about four years ago, rates no prior administration from either party wanted reformed, it still founders. Demographics change and rates change. Many government programs that have insurance aspects are not actuarially sound. That's how you can tell they are government related: they aren't about breaking even or making money, they are about some other societal good.

Extending the tax to cover all income from all sources, all the way up, while not modifying benefits, would shore up the program mightily. Good idea. But last time SS ran surpluses, the government used the excess funds as general revenue. The same thing would happen again, and why not? The extra revenue would be federal income tax in all but name. No old age and survivors insurance program features rules in which increased premium payments yield nothing in the way of increased benefits.

Scaling back benefits, especially for those who have earned at or near the current ceiling for much of their lives, has a certain logic. These people are likely to live maybe four years longer than those whose earnings histories are at the 30th percentile or so. (The gap between 30th percentile and 90th percentile being larger than the gap between 30th percentile and 65th percentile). So they'll collect more twice, first because the benefit schedule is higher, and second because they get more years of benefits. Wait a minute: one minute you want actuarial soundness, the next minute you want to make the program much less like insurance and much more like welfare. Make up your mind. Since SS taxes haven't been sufficient to cover the benefits to which the upcoming cohort of retirees is entitled, that generation will be running a 'profit' on its 'investment'. Government mandated profits for the well off are not the fairest way to run things.

34 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:33:10am

re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He also disagrees with his disagreeing about the book:

The campaign’s disavowal of “Fed Up!” is itself very new. On Sunday evening, at Mr. Perry’s first campaign stop in Iowa, a questioner asked the governor to talk about how he would fix the country’s rickety entitlement programs. Mr. Perry shot back: “Have you read my book, ‘Fed Up!’ Get a copy and read it.”

Pfff. That was yesterday.

Now he is forward-thinking.

35 makeitstopghazi  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:33:10am

This is clearly a move to get those meanies up in New Hampshire to stop asking him questions he doesn't want to answer.

36 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:33:33am

re: #29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Harry Potter is about confronting fears, finding inner strength and doing what is right in the face of adversity. Twilight is about how important it is to have a boyfriend."
— Stephen King

Actually, the success of Twilight is rooted in the need of teenage girls to feel loved.

Seriously.

37 Bulworth  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:33:51am

Meanwhile, half governor Sarah Palin has released a video in Iowa. Maybe she's trying to rack up points in a presidential campaign fantasy league. I really don't know.

38 Gus  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:34:05am

“Fed Up” by Rick Perry

A parody of Rick Perry's views by Rick Perry.

//

39 Atlas Fails  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:34:35am

re: #36 EmmmieG

Actually, the success of Twilight is rooted in the need of UGLY teenage girls to feel loved.

Seriously.

I know, I'm a bad person.

40 Gus  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:35:32am

"Yes. I'm looking for a book. 'Fed Up' by Rick Perry."

"Well, that would be in the fiction section. Just follow me..."

41 Lidane  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:35:40am

re: #23 lostlakehiker

That's a lot of effort to say absolutely nothing of value.

42 Kragar  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:36:02am

re: #34 wrenchwench

Pfff. That was yesterday.

Now he is forward-thinking.

[Rafiki hits Simba on the head with his stick]
Simba: Ow! Jeez, what was that for?
Rafiki: It doesn't matter. It's in the past.

43 Lidane  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:37:11am

re: #36 EmmmieG

Actually, the success of Twilight is rooted in the need of teenage girls to feel loved.

Seriously.

Too bad it's done in the guise of a stalkerish, nearly abusive relationship that should give anyone pause, especially if they have a teenage girl of their own.

Bella and Edward's relationship should never be the model for a healthy relationship. It's anything but.

44 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:37:19am

Seriously, though, if you were about to run for president, wouldn't you choose to write a book that would boost your chances and explain what you are all about?

45 garhighway  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:37:28am

re: #38 Gus 802

“Fed Up” by Rick Perry

A parody of Rick Perry's views by Rick Perry.

//

If it was a parody it would be by Rick Parry.

46 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:37:58am

re: #43 Lidane

Too bad it's done in the guise of a stalkerish, nearly abusive relationship that should give anyone pause, especially if they have a teenage girl of their own.

Bella and Edward's relationship should never be the model for a healthy relationship. It's anything but.

Oh, absolutely. My sister and I (both mothers of teenage girls) think it is horrible.

47 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:38:47am

re: #44 EmmmieG

Seriously, though, if you were about to run for president, wouldn't you choose to write a book that would boost your chances and explain what you are all about?

Why I Hate The United States Government, Want Texas to Secede, Want to Abolish Social Security and Starve Old Folks
-By Rick Perry

48 Gus  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:38:56am

Come see Texas Governor Rick Perry at "Fed Up!" book tour stops all around Texas.
Fri, 11/05/2010

"I want to call for the awakening of that independent spirit on which the United States was founded. Let us work together to restore our founding principles, but also to retake the reins of government and chart a path forward for a new age of liberty in America."

Oops.

49 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:40:08am

re: #43 Lidane

Too bad it's done in the guise of a stalkerish, nearly abusive relationship that should give anyone pause, especially if they have a teenage girl of their own.

Bella and Edward's relationship should never be the model for a healthy relationship. It's anything but.

He's like, what, 103 years old?

50 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:40:23am

re: #36 EmmmieG

Huh? The main female lead in that movie/book series has not one, but two love interests, and she chooses the guy who really sucks and claims he has no choice but to change her over the guy who loves her for who she is.

There's no comparison with Potter; Potter was a coming of age tale that showed the need for compassion, good v. evil, and the importance of friendship.

Yet, Twilight (which is on Showtime 24/7) is a train wreck that can't be missed because it revels in its awfulness.

51 Lidane  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:40:46am

re: #48 Gus 802

Come see Texas Governor Rick Perry at "Fed Up!" book tour stops all around Texas.
Fri, 11/05/2010

Oops.

Pfft. That was last year. This year's model of Rick Perry hates that book.

52 Gus  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:40:50am

Book Signing - Saturday, June 18th

New Orleans
Hilton New Orleans Riverside, 2 Poydras Street
Republican Leadership Conference
Hilton Exhibition Center (HEC) located on the 2nd Floor (near the RLC 2011 registration area)
11:30 a.m.
No registration is required to attend this event.

Our fight is clear. We must step up and retake the reins of our government from a Washington establishment that has abused our trust. We must empower states to fight for our beliefs, elect only leaders who are on our team, set out to remind our fellow Americans why liberty is guaranteed in the Constitution, and take concrete steps to take back our country. The American people have never sat idle when liberty’s trumpet sounds the call to battle—and today that battle is for the soul of America.

Oops.

53 jaunte  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:41:03am

re: #48 Gus 802

chart a path forward for a new age of liberty in America


Back then it was a path forward... but don't look back.

54 Kragar  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:41:07am

re: #48 Gus 802

"I want to call for the awakening of that independent spirit on which the United States was founded. Let us work together to restore our founding principles, but also to retake the reins of government and chart a path forward for a new age of liberty in America."

Nevermind...

55 Gus  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:41:22am

re: #51 Lidane

Pfft. That was last year. This year's model of Rick Perry hates that book.

See #52 for June 2011.

Oops!

56 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:41:46am

re: #50 lawhawk

He wants her to remain human and leave him. She chooses to change.

It's still very unhealthy.

57 Gus  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:42:23am

Let's see. June, July, and still August. So. Two months for Perry to throw his own book under the bus but not really.

Or something.

58 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:42:36am

Oh, and Rick Perry is the epitome of a politician. How do you know if he's lying? His lips are moving. Either he's lying about his views now, or he's lying about his views in his book.

You can't have it both ways.

Bottom line: I just don't trust him.

59 garhighway  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:43:24am

re: #58 lawhawk

Bottom line: I just don't trust him.

But you have to admit: the guy's got great hair.

60 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:43:24am

re: #56 EmmmieG

Yet he's still going to change her anyways. Unhealthy indeed.

61 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:43:36am

re: #56 EmmmieG

It's still very unhealthy.

There's a group of young wemmens that I know who had Twlight parties every time a new book came out. To know them was to know I'd HATE THE BOOKS!

62 Bulworth  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:44:09am

re: #52 Gus 802

Book Signing - Saturday, June 18th


Oops.

"Yes it's true I wrote that book, but that book is intended for followers and teabag Republicans. It wasn't intended for the general public, so I shouldn't be held responsible for what's in it. Besides, I'm running for President to talk about the issues, not to talk about what I wrote in my book about the issues."

63 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:44:17am

re: #59 garhighway

So does Blagojevich, but I wouldn't want to buy a car from either of them.

64 Big Steve  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:44:25am

"Ouch....sonofbitch....touching that third rail smarts." - Rick Perry

65 909Ghazis  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:45:23am

Todays Rick might not be yesterdays Rick and may not even be tomorrows Rick, but it's still the same old Rick. Suckers.

66 Kragar  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:45:43am

re: #59 garhighway

But you have to admit: the guy's got great hair.

I never trust a man who spends that much time on his hair.

67 Gus  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:46:07am

From the Rick Perry for President campaign site:

From a Place Called Paint Creek - Liberty, Security, Prosperity

Perry is a national leader in the effort to restore the primacy of the 10th Amendment, and wrote the book, “Fed Up” to rally Americans to restore the proper, constitutional balance between the federal government and the states. Perry’s first book, “On My Honor” defended the values of the Boy Scouts from assaults by the liberal elite.

68 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:47:26am

Oh, and with the ongoing clown circus of GOP candidates, former NYS governor George Pataki (who helped destroy the GOP at the state and local level in NYS by failing to promote GOPers within the party and building a necessary structure for future success) and former Mayor Rudy Giuliani are both considering throwing their hats into the ring.

That's it.

I'm running for President. With these clowns, I have at least a half a chance of doing as well as any of them in a general election, though I probably wouldn't clear the primaries because I'm too damned rational and sane...

69 iossarian  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:48:07am

re: #67 Gus 802

From the Rick Perry for President campaign site:

From a Place Called Paint Creek - Liberty, Security, Prosperity

Perry is a national leader in the effort to restore the primacy of the 10th Amendment, and wrote the book, “Fed Up” to rally Americans to restore the proper, constitutional balance between the federal government and the states. Perry’s first book, “On My Honor” defended the values of the Boy Scouts from assaults by the liberal elite.

Or, "why it's OK to hate gay people".

70 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:48:17am

re: #65 nines09

Todays Rick might not be yesterdays Rick and may not even be tomorrows Rick, but it's still the same old Rick. Suckers.

But he's not the Rick we're looking for.

71 garhighway  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:49:40am

re: #68 lawhawk

Oh, and with the ongoing clown circus of GOP candidates, former NYS governor George Pataki (who helped destroy the GOP at the state and local level in NYS by failing to promote GOPers within the party and building a necessary structure for future success) and former Mayor Rudy Giuliani are both considering throwing their hats into the ring.

That's it.

I'm running for President. With these clowns, I have at least a half a chance of doing as well as any of them in a general election, though I probably wouldn't clear the primaries because I'm too damned rational and sane...

George Pataki: Where Charisma Goes to Die.

72 Big Steve  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:49:53am

I sure am glad that the rest of the country is getting a chance to see what an asshat governor we have had to put up with the last 12 years in Texas.

73 Gus  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:49:57am

Hi. My name is Rick Perry and I'm an alcoholic asshole.

//

74 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:51:45am

re: #68 lawhawk

Reminds me of Walter Mondale. He only got thirteen more electoral college votes than I got.

75 jaunte  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:52:04am

re: #69 iossarian

Or, "why it's OK to hate gay people".

Won't someone think of the foundations!

In On My Honor, Texas governor Rick Perry, through the legacy of the Boy Scouts of America, takes dead aim at the moral relativism of the secular humanist movement, indicting its corrosive impact on the culture. Examining the left's legal assaults on the Boy Scouts of America - which span more than 30 years - Perry offers prescient insight into the multi-faceted war, which pits the proponents of traditional American values against the radical leftist movement that seeks to tear down our social foundations. [Link: www.amazon.com...]
76 Big Steve  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:52:59am

re: #59 garhighway

But you have to admit: the guy's got great hair.

Reminds me of my Grandfather's list of advice:

1. Never vote for anyone younger than you.
2. Never vote for anyone with more hair than you.
3. Never eat anything white.
4. Go to bed the same day you got up.

77 engineer cat  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:53:42am

re: #23 lostlakehiker

social security always took in more than it paid out until very recently. the profit was invested in government bonds, which have a guaranteed profit. the ss tax rate was reformed under reagan when it faced similar problems 30 years ago, and its current problems can be solved the same way. as for long term structural problems in regard to the baby boom, think of what kind of strain us baby boomers will be creating on the ss system in 50 years:

none. we will all be dead

don't swallow this story about 'ponzi schemes' and assertions that ss must be changed at face value. get the facts

78 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:54:28am

re: #76 Big Steve

Reminds me of my Grandfather's list of advice:

1. Never vote for anyone younger than you.
2. Never vote for anyone with more hair than you.
3. Never eat anything white.
4. Go to bed the same day you got up.

Boiled eggs are not to be eaten?

79 Gus  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:55:17am

re: #75 jaunte

Won't someone think of the foundations!

Oh boy. In case of emergency please vomit in this little bag.

//

80 engineer cat  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:55:27am

re: #76 Big Steve

Reminds me of my Grandfather's list of advice:

1. Never vote for anyone younger than you.
2. Never vote for anyone with more hair than you.
3. Never eat anything white.
4. Go to bed the same day you got up.

and then there's satchel paige's advice list:

1. always buy two of everything so you never run out
2. don't eat fried foods that angry up the blood
3. don't look back - somebody might be gaining on you!

81 Big Steve  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:55:59am

Just as a point source of information, the Houston Chronicle is doing a great job at keeping an eye on Rick and his campaign. HC has never been a big fan of Governor Perry so it is interesting reading.....[Link: blog.chron.com...]

82 Lidane  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:56:06am

re: #72 Big Steve

I sure am glad that the rest of the country is getting a chance to see what an asshat governor we have had to put up with the last 12 years in Texas.

Considering they got to experience the previous asshat governor for eight years as POTUS, you'd think people would be smarter than to elect a governor from Texas to the White House. =P

83 engineer cat  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:56:44am

perry: from "fed up" to "washed" up in two short weeks

84 garhighway  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:57:09am

The funny part about this (OK, there's more than one funny part, but bear with me) is that the campaign book has been a part of the standard presidential campaign playbook for a very long time. Everyone in that business knows that you come out with the book in the year preceding the primary season and use it as a "best foot forward" statement of why you are presidential material. It is BUILT to be quoted! That is what it's FOR!

That Perry and his team lacked the intellectual resources or forethought to vet the book against the likely campaign environment is absolutely astonishing.

85 Big Steve  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 10:57:22am

re: #78 EmmmieG

Hey his advice not mine, but in the case of boiled eggs I think he got it right.

86 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:00:07am

re: #66 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I never trust a man who spends that much time on his hair.

why not?

[Link: wizbangblog.com...]

87 Gus  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:04:47am

Good God. What. The. Fuck.


Obama in Close Race Against Romney, Perry, Bachmann, Paul
Romney has slight edge over Obama, Bachmann slightly lags
by Frank Newport

PRINCETON, NJ -- President Barack Obama is closely matched against each of four possible Republican opponents when registered voters are asked whom they would support if the 2012 presidential election were held today. Mitt Romney leads Obama by two percentage points, 48% to 46%, Rick Perry and Obama are tied at 47%, and Obama edges out Ron Paul and Michele Bachmann by two and four points, respectively.

Image: nerwnz--wkyd8ljnpd6v8a.gif

Obama at 47 percent and Ron Paul at 45 percent? Huh?

88 iossarian  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:05:37am

OT: Leading broker issues report, UK riots were the product of an "out-of-control consumerist ethos [...] in which a materialist vision is both peddled and, for the vast majority, simultaneously ruled out by exclusion".

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Nice to see some capitalists waking up to the consequences of their economic system.

89 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:08:57am

re: #44 EmmmieG

Seriously, though, if you were about to run for president, wouldn't you choose to write a book that would boost your chances and explain what you are all about?

I think he wrote a book that was supposed to boost his chances of being an adored Tea Party pundit/governor.

Then he decided to run for president, and the audience changed.

Well, shucks.

90 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:11:04am

re: #88 iossarian

OT: Leading broker issues report, UK riots were the product of an "out-of-control consumerist ethos [...] in which a materialist vision is both peddled and, for the vast majority, simultaneously ruled out by exclusion".

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Nice to see some capitalists waking up to the consequences of their economic system.

Interesting article....

"The dominant ethos of 'I buy, therefore I am' needs to be challenged by a shift of emphasis from material to non-material values. David Cameron's 'big society' project may contribute to the inculcation of more socially-oriented values, but much more will need to be done to challenge the out-of-control consumerist ethos.

"The government, too, needs to consume less, and invest more. Government spending has increased by more than 50% in real terms over the last decade, but public investment has languished. Saving needs to be encouraged, and private investment needs to be channelled into asset creation, not asset inflation."


I wholeheartedly agree with the first paragraph, the second one not so much.

91 Kragar  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:12:10am

WND: Gays And Radical Muslims Working Together To Destroy America

Man, you've got to wonder what the mixers for those meetings are like.

92 thatthatisis  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:13:29am

What's a good God-fearing Christian to do? Rick Perry was called by God to run for President, and Michele Bachmann was called by God.

Is God two-timing one of them? Is he just hedging his bets?

93 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:13:41am

1:52 p.m. Evidence that Gaddafi spied on journalists found

Foreign journalists in Libya long protested Gaddafi’s government’s requirements correspondents had to accept in order to stay in Tripoli. The Rixos hotel was a gilded jail, according to one Post correspondent. When fighting broke out Sunday, it became even more of a jail to about two dozen journalists. The hotel has been surrounded by snipers. While many of the hotel’s residents, including the government minders, have been allowed to leave, the journalists have not. It’s left the journalists free to range about parts of the hotel previously cut off to them.

In one office, journalists found printouts of their personal emails, the Guardian reports. The journalists had suspected their computers had been hacked, but did not have proof until now.

94 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:13:43am

I hear Mohammed Kaddafi escaped from captivity.

95 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:14:24am

re: #49 Alouette

He's like, what, 103 years old?

Old enough not to be hanging around a high school picking up girls.

One wonders how many times he has done this routine.

96 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:14:52am

re: #94 Sergey Romanov

I hear Mohammed Kaddafi escaped from captivity.

So did I:

BreakingNews Breaking News
Gadhafi's son Mohammed fled house arrest with the help of loyalist fighters - Al Jazeera TV via Reuters

97 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:15:01am

re: #86 _RememberTonyC

why not?

[Link: wizbangblog.com...]

It actually evolved further:


Image: phil-spector5659r.jpg

98 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:15:17am

re: #94 Sergey Romanov

I hear Mohammed Kaddafi escaped from captivity.

Gaddafi’s son Mohammed flees house arrest: report

99 Gus  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:15:45am

BIAB

100 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:16:25am

re: #91 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

WND: Gays And Radical Muslims Working Together To Destroy America

Man, you've got to wonder what the mixers for those meetings are like.

Fabulous? And with excellent food.

101 Lidane  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:17:16am

re: #91 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

WND: Gays And Radical Muslims Working Together To Destroy America

Because we all know that radical Muslims would want to work with gays on anything.

102 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:17:23am

re: #95 SanFranciscoZionist

Old enough not to be hanging around a high school picking up girls.

One wonders how many times he has done this routine.

I did not read the books or watch the movies, so I asked my daughter that this guy can remain a teenager and nobody notices after a couple of years that something is amiss? She explain that Edward and his fellow vampires move around a lot.

That life must suck (in more ways than one)

103 Kragar  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:18:15am

Syrian protesters defy regime and tell Assad: 'it's your turn!'


Syrians took to the streets after Bashar al-Assad made a television address repeating promises of reform and parliamentary elections in February 2012.

The concessions failed to prevent demonstrations across the country, and buoyed by the news of rebel gains in Tripoli crowds chanted: "Gaddafi is gone, now it's your turn Bashar!"

His security forces opened fire in the central city of Homs, which has been a hotbed of dissent against the president.

A witness told reporters a few thousand people converged on the main square in Homs known as Clock Square on Monday after they heard that a United Nations humanitarian team was to visit the city.

"Simply, without any introductions, they started shooting at them," he said, asking not to be named.

104 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:18:48am

re: #100 SanFranciscoZionist

Fabulous? And with excellent food.

[Link: conservativeviewsforthegrassroots.blogspot.com...]

105 Lidane  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:18:56am

re: #92 thatthatisis

Is God two-timing one of them? Is he just hedging his bets?

Neither. God just has a sense of humor and he's fucking with us by telling all these clowns that he's called them to run.

106 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:20:07am

re: #102 Alouette

I did not read the books or watch the movies, so I asked my daughter that this guy can remain a teenager and nobody notices after a couple of years that something is amiss? She explain that Edward and his fellow vampires move around a lot.

That life must suck (in more ways than one)

It was nicer when you had a castle in Transylvania, and the peasants kept their damn mouths shut, but there it is. Modern life.

(There was a Dracula spoof movie many years ago where the Count is thrown out of his castle by the Romanian government, who are planning to make it into a gymnastics training facility. "Comrade, we will be back in three days with parallel bars, mats, and Nadia Comaneci. Don't be here." The townsfolk see him off with torches, for old times' sake.)

107 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:21:18am

re: #106 SanFranciscoZionist

It was nicer when you had a castle in Transylvania, and the peasants kept their damn mouths shut, but there it is. Modern life.

Meh, just make up some medical condition /

108 Kragar  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:21:26am

re: #102 Alouette

I did not read the books or watch the movies, so I asked my daughter that this guy can remain a teenager and nobody notices after a couple of years that something is amiss? She explain that Edward and his fellow vampires move around a lot.

That life must suck (in more ways than one)

It would be easier to hide if they didn't do things like attend public schools.

109 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:21:47am

re: #104 Sergey Romanov

[Link: conservativeviewsforthegrassroots.blogspot.com...]

I swear to God, I can't tell if that blog post is an endorsement or a denunciation.

110 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:22:05am

re: #76 Big Steve

Reminds me of my Grandfather's list of advice:

1. Never vote for anyone younger than you.
2. Never vote for anyone with more hair than you.
3. Never eat anything white.
4. Go to bed the same day you got up.

1. The lord loves a working man.
2. Don't trust whitey.
3. If you get it, see a doctor and get rid of it.

111 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:22:51am

re: #68 lawhawk

Oh, and with the ongoing clown circus of GOP candidates, former NYS governor George Pataki (who helped destroy the GOP at the state and local level in NYS by failing to promote GOPers within the party and building a necessary structure for future success) and former Mayor Rudy Giuliani are both considering throwing their hats into the ring.

That's it.

I'm running for President. With these clowns, I have at least a half a chance of doing as well as any of them in a general election, though I probably wouldn't clear the primaries because I'm too damned rational and sane...

My brother (who lives in NYS) thinks that Pataki has some sort of chance, or at least can have an effect on the GOP nomination process. I just don't see it. He won't bring NY into the GOP side in the election, and I don't have any impression that he will play well in the West or South as a candidate.

112 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:23:49am

re: #109 SanFranciscoZionist

I swear to God, I can't tell if that blog post is an endorsement or a denunciation.

Could be both then.

113 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:24:19am

Pataki is such a bad Republican that even I voted for him...

114 makeitstopghazi  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:24:33am

re: #111 oaktree

My brother (who lives in NYS) thinks that Pataki has some sort of chance, or at least can have an effect on the GOP nomination process. I just don't see it. He won't bring NY into the GOP side in the election, and I don't have any impression that he will play well in the West or South as a candidate.

If Pataki gets in, I guarantee you'll see a highly increased use of the word 'boring.'

115 garhighway  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:25:01am

re: #92 thatthatisis

What's a good God-fearing Christian to do? Rick Perry was called by God to run for President, and Michele Bachmann was called by God.

Is God two-timing one of them? Is he just hedging his bets?

Maybe God is running a Thunderdome-style operation: two enter, one leave.

116 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:26:07am

re: #92 thatthatisis

What's a good God-fearing Christian to do? Rick Perry was called by God to run for President, and Michele Bachmann was called by God.

Is God two-timing one of them? Is he just hedging his bets?

God is treating his creations like a 10-year-old boy putting insects or other small animals in a cardboard box to fight it out. He is concerned with his own amusement, not the combatants.

117 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:26:35am

re: #114 makeitstop

If Pataki gets in, I guarantee you'll see a highly increased use of the word 'boring.'

And here I was thinking it would be hard to find a replacement for Pawlenty.

118 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:27:33am

re: #110 RayFerd

Shit? Shinola.

119 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:27:39am

Obama talking....
[Link: go.sky.com...]

120 Lidane  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:27:44am

re: #108 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It would be easier to hide if they didn't do things like attend public schools.

Or drive Ferraris and Volvos in a small Washington town:

[Link: www.stepheniemeyer.com...]

121 Charleston Chew  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:27:50am

re: #115 garhighway

Maybe God is running a Thunderdome-style operation: two enter, one leave.

Is God a social Darwinist?

122 Charleston Chew  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:28:52am

re: #116 oaktree

God is treating his creations like a 10-year-old boy putting insects or other small animals in a cardboard box to fight it out. He is concerned with his own amusement, not the combatants.

"Hey, what's with the giant magnifying glass? Oh, no! It burns! It burns!"

123 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:30:42am

re: #111 oaktree

As garhighway noted above, Pataki has less charisma than my mousepad. He's got precisely 0 chance of winning the nomination, and even less of affecting the primary races. That he's considering a run tells you how thin the current crop is and that anyone with the slightest bit of name recognition is considering throwing their hat into the ring.

124 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:31:05am

re: #121 Charleston Chew

No, but I hear he's a huge fan of Celebrity Deathmatch. /

125 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:33:30am

The polls may not be looking good for Obama, but his chances in Libya are going up.

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

126 makeitstopghazi  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:35:28am

re: #117 JasonA

And here I was thinking it would be hard to find a replacement for Pawlenty.

Pataki makes T-Paw look like Mr. Excitement. He was NY gov for ten years, but it felt like 20.

127 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:35:42am

re: #106 SanFranciscoZionist

It was nicer when you had a castle in Transylvania, and the peasants kept their damn mouths shut, but there it is. Modern life.

(There was a Dracula spoof movie many years ago where the Count is thrown out of his castle by the Romanian government, who are planning to make it into a gymnastics training facility. "Comrade, we will be back in three days with parallel bars, mats, and Nadia Comaneci. Don't be here." The townsfolk see him off with torches, for old times' sake.)

Yeah, whatever happened to Nadia? She must be like, what, fortysomething? I know that Cathy Rigby went on for years and years and years as Peter Pan*

*Peter Pan: a role that has been performed more times by middle-aged women than by teenage boys.

128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:38:16am

re: #127 Alouette

Can't exactly be played by Howie Long.

129 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:39:12am

re: #127 Alouette

She'll be fiddy in November.

130 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:41:23am
131 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:41:30am

re: #128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Can't exactly be played by Howie Long.

Next best thing:

Image: peter_pan2_1.jpg

Image: old-peter-pan-766902.JPG

132 engineer cat  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:43:29am

re: #87 Gus 802

Good God. What. The. Fuck.


Obama in Close Race Against Romney, Perry, Bachmann, Paul
Romney has slight edge over Obama, Bachmann slightly lags
by Frank Newport

Image: nerwnz--wkyd8ljnpd6v8a.gif

Obama at 47 percent and Ron Paul at 45 percent? Huh?

well, the gallup article goes on to note:

In August 1999, Texas Gov. George W. Bush led Vice President Al Gore by 55% to 41% in a Gallup trial heat poll. That race ended up in a virtual dead heat, with Gore ultimately winning slightly more of the national popular vote than Bush.
In August 1995, Kansas Sen. Bob Dole was slightly ahead of President Bill Clinton in a Gallup poll, 48% to 46%. On Election Day 1996, Clinton beat Dole by eight points.
In August 1983, President Ronald Reagan was ahead of Democrat Walter Mondale by only one point, 44% to 43%. Reagan went on to beat Mondale in a 59% to 41% landslide in the November 1984 election.
In August 1979, incumbent President Jimmy Carter was tied with former California Gov. Reagan -- each getting 45% of the vote. Reagan ultimately defeated Carter by 10 points.

133 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:44:54am

re: #132 engineer dog

Really early in the day for these prognostications anyway.

First poll that will matter will be over a year from now.

134 engineer cat  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:46:22am

i was hoping that w would choose pataki as a running mate, but only because it would have been so much fun to say 'Bush Pataki'

135 Charleston Chew  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:47:38am

re: #133 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Really early in the day for these prognostications anyway.

First poll that will matter will be over a year from now.

On Nov. 6th.

136 Bulworth  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:49:02am

Which reminds me, is Mitt Romney still in this race? //

137 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:49:26am

re: #135 Charleston Chew

Nah... I am speaking of Obama vs "whoever" polls.

Once there's a candidate, September or October things'll begin to shake out.

138 Charleston Chew  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:51:10am

re: #137 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nah... I am speaking of Obama vs "whoever" polls.

Once there's a candidate, September or October things'll begin to shake out.

Oh, you mean Obama vs. non-generic-and-or-non-hypothetical Republican. Good point.

139 Gus  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:53:12am

re: #132 engineer dog

well, the gallup article goes on to note:

In August 1999, Texas Gov. George W. Bush led Vice President Al Gore by 55% to 41% in a Gallup trial heat poll. That race ended up in a virtual dead heat, with Gore ultimately winning slightly more of the national popular vote than Bush.
In August 1995, Kansas Sen. Bob Dole was slightly ahead of President Bill Clinton in a Gallup poll, 48% to 46%. On Election Day 1996, Clinton beat Dole by eight points.
In August 1983, President Ronald Reagan was ahead of Democrat Walter Mondale by only one point, 44% to 43%. Reagan went on to beat Mondale in a 59% to 41% landslide in the November 1984 election.
In August 1979, incumbent President Jimmy Carter was tied with former California Gov. Reagan -- each getting 45% of the vote. Reagan ultimately defeated Carter by 10 points.

Seems weird. Ron Paul at 45 percent... Wut?

140 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:53:26am

Well, I just pulled the trigger on selling off some mutual funds today. I'll take a small loss but I can put the money to better use. Mutual funds are tricky because the sale closes at the end of the day, regardless of when you place the order. I figured i'd take advantage of a relatively stable up day on the market. Let's hope we don't get a wild swing down before the close.

141 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:53:38am

re: #138 Charleston Chew

Yeah. Obama vs some guy.

A lot of things could happen in 14 months... All the way to an "I choose not to run" speech (for which I would not blame the President).

Focus on the pack at hand, is my opinion.

142 engineer cat  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:54:38am

re: #136 Bulworth

Which reminds me, is Mitt Romney still in this race? //

ever since perry got in he looks much smaller

143 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:54:49am

re: #140 Killgore Trout

All my investments are in 401K stuff.

I'm afraid to look. If I ignore it, over the long term? I should be okay. It ain't what I live on.

144 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:56:10am

re: #139 Gus 802

Seems weird. Ron Paul at 45 percent... Wut?

That poll was missing a question:

"Do you actually know who the hell these people are?"

145 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:56:30am

re: #143 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

All my investments are in 401K stuff.

I'm afraid to look. If I ignore it, over the long term? I should be okay. It ain't what I live on.

That's the way to do it. If you're in for the long run you'll be just fine.

146 allegro  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:56:58am

re: #142 engineer dog

ever since perry got in he looks much smaller

The media dog is distracted by a new squirrel.

147 Kragar  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:57:15am

re: #146 allegro

The media dog is distracted by a new squirrel.

SQUIRREL?

148 Gus  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:57:28am

re: #141 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah. Obama vs some guy.

A lot of things could happen in 14 months... All the way to an "I choose not to run" speech (for which I would not blame the President).

Focus on the pack at hand, is my opinion.

It's still going to be a highly competitive race. This ain't gonna be like 2008. Not even close. Anyone that thinks otherwise is either naive or living in an ideological vacuum. Fortunately the Obama camp is hip to this and will be taking necessary measures to avoid a Republican victory. This includes a huge get out the vote campaign. The time to start that begins now and not two month before election day. This is especially true after the demise of ACORN.

149 engineer cat  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:58:31am

re: #139 Gus 802

Seems weird. Ron Paul at 45 percent... Wut?

clearly, the overwhelming support for dr paul as the republican nominee is being viciously suppressed by the republican party establishment

////

150 Gus  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 11:59:00am

re: #149 engineer dog

clearly, the overwhelming support for dr paul as the republican nominee is being viciously suppressed by the republican party establishment

///

Maybe it was an internet poll.

//

151 allegro  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 12:00:01pm

re: #147 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

SQUIRREL?

152 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 12:00:05pm

re: #150 Gus 802

Maybe it was an internet poll.

//

For an old guy, he sure has some high tech nerd supporters.

153 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 12:00:13pm

re: #148 Gus 802

It's still going to be a highly competitive race. This ain't gonna be like 2008. Not even close. Anyone that thinks otherwise is either naive or living in an ideological vacuum. Fortunately the Obama camp is hip to this and will be taking necessary measures to avoid a Republican victory. This includes a huge get out the vote campaign. The time to start that begins now and not two month before election day. This is especially true after the demise of ACORN.

It depends on who they nominate. Mitt may make a decent showing but the rest of the pack will get demolished once voters get to know them. For right now most people aren't really paying attention to republican candidates. Once they learn about them voters are not going to like what they find.

154 Gus  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 12:02:39pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

It depends on who they nominate. Mitt may make a decent showing but the rest of the pack will get demolished once voters get to know them. For right now most people aren't really paying attention to republican candidates. Once they learn about them voters are not going to like what they find.

That could be one scenario. But like I said. If you wait for that to happen then you still stand the chance of losing if you're incorrect. It's highly doubtful that Obama is going to look into some crystal ball and hope for that to happen. This is serious business. The game plan is to go into this taking all potential candidates seriously.

155 engineer cat  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 12:04:54pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

It depends on who they nominate. Mitt may make a decent showing but the rest of the pack will get demolished once voters get to know them. For right now most people aren't really paying attention to republican candidates. Once they learn about them voters are not going to like what they find.

the wingnuts hate romney. the swing voters won't accept perry, bachmann, palin or christie. the entire primary season will turn, i think, on the issue of 'can the tea party stop romney?'

156 engineer cat  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 12:06:59pm

also, obama has set up a little time bomb for the gop: the extension of the bush tax cuts for higher income earners. this issue comes due right around election time. heheheheheh....

in addition, the gop isn't making life easier for itself by recently making noises about how they do want to sunset the payroll tax break that obama put through

157 Gus  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 12:10:34pm

re: #156 engineer dog

also, obama has set up a little time bomb for the gop: the extension of the bush tax cuts for higher income earners. this issue comes due right around election time. heheheheheh...

in addition, the gop isn't making life easier for itself by recently making noises about how they do want to sunset the payroll tax break that obama put through

That depends on what evolves around those tax cut debates in congress. Remember that Americans won't be looking at congressional Republicans the same way as they'll view a Republican candidate. So then it becomes a matter or the Republican candidate commenting on these tax cuts expiring. You're also counting on expecting this to be a make or break issue for the American people. I doubt that the American people will use this single issue when deciding for whom to vote for come November.

158 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 12:16:00pm

re: #147 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

SQUIRREL?

You don't own a dog, do you?

159 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 12:17:08pm

Black politcian criticizes the Tea Party, Hot Air commenters respond with racism...
Video: Maxine Waters says the Tea Party can go straight to hell

She reminds me of that nasty old hag on Sanford and Son…

PatriotRider on August 22, 2011 at 2:58 PM

That would be Aunt Esther, I believe, and I totally agree.

silvernana on August 22, 2011 at 3:04 PM

You’re referring to those stuffy, dusty documents from the time of our racist, slave-owning founding fathers, right?

We ALL know that the Constitution is a living, breathing document, and the Bill of Rights 2.0, ala FDR, includes all of the necessary things that a government can and should provide to us, business owners be damned.

/progressive lunatic rant.

VibrioCocci on August 22, 2011 at 2:53 PM

You shouldn’t be surprised at anything she says – she is just the loose cannon of the black liberation theology wing of the modern socialist party.

Vashta.Nerada on August 22, 2011 at 2:52 PM


160 Gus  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 12:18:47pm

Blech. I suddenly feel hot. Going to reach 88 today. Typically gets hotter over here. 90s. Too hot. Cold in the morning. Hot in the afternoon. Now I feel a breeze. Maybe I should get some beers and get hammered.

161 dragonfire1981  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 12:20:43pm

The question for me is: can the republicans blow the economy horn long and loud enough to beat Obama?

You know that's where they are going. They will blame the whole economic mess on him and his Liberal buddies. They will do it again and again and again, all the while completely ignoring the social conservatism stuff.

162 stpaulbear  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 3:43:01pm
What idiot wrote that?

Maybe the book was supposed to be titled F'ed Up.

163 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 22, 2011 4:05:47pm

re: #162 stpaulbear

Maybe the book was supposed to be titled F'ed Up.

Oh, snap ding!

164 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:32:28am
165 Stephen T.  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 11:49:12am

re: #108 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It would be easier to hide if they didn't do things like attend public schools.

If I were to become immortal, the last thing I would ever want to do is go back to high school.

166 labman57  Tue, Aug 23, 2011 5:06:30pm

Perry could suggest that his "read my book"/"ignore my book" mixed message is really an example of quantum superposition and that his brain is experiencing quantum entanglement ...

Oh yeah, I forgot. Rick doesn't seek scientific explanations for observed phenomena -- that's what the Bible is for.


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